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[00:00:00] | waini: | there is only eit-data for tomorow (on only one channel) |
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[00:03:08] | gbee: | waini: is that not normal or this a new setup? |
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[00:05:19] | waini: | its not normal |
[00:05:45] | gbee: | waini: did you disable active EIT scanning when you upgraded to 0.21? |
[00:05:47] | waini: | is it recommend, that a froontend tunes thas channel? |
[00:06:00] | waini: | no |
[00:06:19] | waini: | but the other channels are well |
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[00:07:45] | gbee: | waini: tuning to a channel either through livetv or when recording will allow passive EIT scanning to occur, assuming that the EIT data is broadcast on each multiplex/channel and not a special channel (usual for satellite) |
[00:08:22] | gbee: | but it could also just be a broadcast/transmission error |
[00:09:05] | waini: | i have not connected a frontend for 3–4 days now |
[00:09:18] | waini: | but thats not the problem i hope |
[00:10:33] | gbee: | shouldn't matter as long as active scanning is enabled or recordings are happening |
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[00:18:31] | BobSlob: | anyone know why, when i startup the frontend, it goes directly to "watching tv"... without a way to get back the menu? |
[00:19:19] | Agrajag-: | how are you starting the frontend? |
[00:19:25] | BobSlob: | terminal |
[00:19:33] | Agrajag-: | what command? |
[00:19:36] | BobSlob: | mythtv |
[00:19:38] | BobSlob: | =D |
[00:19:44] | Agrajag-: | use mythfrontend |
[00:22:19] | BobSlob: | stupid me... thanks |
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[00:24:34] | antivert: | one thing, in two versions of mythtv now, BobSlob's mythfrontend freezes while prescaling images :\ |
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[00:37:14] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
[00:38:17] | antivert: | hello |
[00:38:31] | black_Nightmare_: | I'm not sure why I can't remember or something heh but how do you determine how much transfer bandwidth you'll need for certain capture? |
[00:40:12] | black_Nightmare_: | video capture* |
[00:40:41] | antivert: | well it really depends on the output device and input resolution, is it HDMI? |
[00:41:07] | black_Nightmare_: | just plain analog |
[00:41:10] | antivert: | well actually there's a shortcut |
[00:41:31] | antivert: | unplug the video and look at the pins on the connector |
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[00:42:48] | antivert: | however many shrimps fit in there, that's the number |
[00:42:49] | antivert: | :D |
[00:43:06] | BobSlob: | haha |
[00:43:44] | antivert: | jk, I know nothing |
[00:44:16] | black_Nightmare_: | antivert you're too funny :p |
[00:44:40] | antivert: | someone in another channel was asking for shrimp recipes and I went insane |
[00:44:53] | black_Nightmare_: | antivert I'm going to ask you to pull that power cord out of wall and see how fat the pins are so I can know how much ampres you're trying to stuff through there :p |
[00:44:55] | BobSlob: | any idea why my "tuner" would be doubled up... its showing the tv channel twice on the top and bottom of the screen |
[00:45:00] | antivert: | hehe |
[00:45:07] | antivert: | BobSlob: it's the deinterlacing settings |
[00:45:17] | antivert: | set it to a different deinterlacer |
[00:45:45] | BobSlob: | haha |
[00:45:53] | BobSlob: | now fix my sound =D |
[00:46:47] | antivert: | go into audio settings and set it to alsa :P |
[00:46:48] | antivert: | ALSA:default |
[00:47:20] | BobSlob: | hmm |
[00:47:26] | BobSlob: | so everything is now "working" |
[00:47:38] | hypernayte: | I'm considering a MythTV setup. However, I have sort of an obscure cable provider (Provo Cable). Is it best to go with a more popular provider (Comcast, Dish, etc) in order to have an easier time of setting up Myth, or have some of you had success with obscure companies? |
[00:48:02] | BobSlob: | i'm using an obscure provider =D just basica cable though |
[00:48:04] | BobSlob: | -a |
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[00:49:36] | hypernayte: | Was it difficult, not having documentation that told you how your provider could work with Myth? |
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[00:50:31] | hypernayte: | The reason I ask is because I've seen some great documentation for the big-name providers. My cable comes in, via optical, so it's a little different. |
[00:50:39] | BobSlob: | oh |
[00:50:43] | BobSlob: | beats me then =D |
[00:50:48] | hypernayte: | Yeah. :) |
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[00:51:06] | BobSlob: | usually its not the provide though... its the actual setup of everything else |
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[00:51:33] | antivert: | if you have HDMI, be warned that HDMI support is very very very new in alsa :P |
[00:51:51] | hypernayte: | It's one of those package deals, where I have fiber internet and everything else. Love how fast the internet is, but not familiar with the technology that drives my cable. |
[00:52:22] | Belboz99: | Hey all, I need help connecting a Motorola 2224 with MythTV using a serial cable to change channels, anyone have any idea why the command "channel" only returns "Input/Output error on /dev/tty*"??? |
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[00:57:55] | iamlindoro__: | all of the US fiber carriers will currently be capturable by analog only in Myth. That means Standard Def only, and reliance on their cable box. |
[00:59:45] | mchou: | what? |
[01:00:12] | mchou: | iamlindoro: that makes zero sense whatsoever |
[01:00:21] | iamlindoro__: | Then I'm sorry you cannot read |
[01:00:32] | iamlindoro__: | as usual |
[01:00:37] | mchou: | considering you can get HD programming just fine via firewire |
[01:00:47] | iamlindoro__: | not on an *fiber* carrier |
[01:00:56] | mchou: | iamlindoro: lol |
[01:01:03] | iamlindoro__: | read: Verizon FIOS, Uverse, etc. |
[01:01:06] | mchou: | cable isnt fiber? |
[01:01:12] | mkrufky: | im sorry, iamlindoro i dont understand, either |
[01:01:16] | mchou: | you havent heard of HFC? |
[01:01:23] | mkrufky: | fios has, "true qam" |
[01:01:26] | mkrufky: | it works! |
[01:01:43] | mchou: | iamlindoro: dont be a biatch |
[01:01:46] | BobSlob: | anyone know where i set the output plugin? |
[01:01:47] | mkrufky: | (you're all supposed to be smirking right now... im not THAT dumb) |
[01:02:03] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky: My understanding about Verizon FIOS/Uverse/etc from user reports is that no QAM cards worked with their drops, and their boxes lack firewire |
[01:02:15] | mkrufky: | j-rod told me it works |
[01:02:36] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky: I'll believe it when I see it ;) |
[01:02:40] | mkrufky: | ...that was a long time ago... maybe 6 months ago... im pretty sure it was him, and i trust him as a valid source |
[01:03:07] | mchou: | iamlindoro; so stop making assertions about shit you know nothing about |
[01:03:25] | iamlindoro__: | mchou: As usual your just a big cunt to everyone |
[01:03:27] | iamlindoro__: | er you're |
[01:03:39] | mkrufky: | hmm, well somebody go and find out, because im about to switch to fios, and if its not real qam that a typical demod can handle, then ..... . well , that will suck ... i wont be able to test my drivers anymore |
[01:04:01] | mchou: | iamlindoro: I might be acunt, but you're my biatch |
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[01:04:14] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky: Check into it before you go too nuts-- have helped a number of people in here who report zero tuning whatsoever w/ the fiber-to-the-home providers |
[01:04:25] | iamlindoro__: | QAM tuning, that is |
[01:04:27] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro_: I got that mythweb problem sortede |
[01:04:30] | Aval0n: | sorted* |
[01:04:38] | iamlindoro__: | Aval0n: Cool, what'd it turn out to be? |
[01:04:41] | Aval0n: | pfft |
[01:04:48] | Aval0n: | a daylight savings time switch problem |
[01:04:52] | mkrufky: | then need to scan the spectrum .... the scan files circulating around wont work |
[01:04:55] | Aval0n: | had to define MST in php.ini |
[01:05:06] | mkrufky: | (im just guessing) |
[01:05:13] | iamlindoro__: | Aval0n: Heh, weird, would never have thought of that |
[01:05:18] | Aval0n: | that and I re-installed current 21-fixes |
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[01:05:23] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky: Well, do let me know if you manage it |
[01:05:25] | Aval0n: | between the 2 it's fixed |
[01:05:45] | mkrufky: | ugh, now im on a mission to find this out |
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[01:14:27] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky: Looks like you may be OK on FIOS dependent on the market (although they appear to encrypt 100% in some) but Uverse is non-QAM-- so don't get that ;) |
[01:14:45] | mkrufky: | what is Uverse |
[01:14:52] | iamlindoro__: | The AT&T Equivalent |
[01:14:54] | mkrufky: | ah |
[01:15:18] | mkrufky: | fios is not required to carry the "broadcast" networks in the clear? |
[01:16:04] | iamlindoro__: | I was looking at some AVS user reports right now, just seems to vary-- I'm sure regulatorally (word?) they are required to, but in practice... who knows? |
[01:16:15] | mkrufky: | heh, ok |
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[01:16:34] | iamlindoro__: | info seems sparse regardless, only found the QAM answer in a blog so who even knows about that |
[01:16:55] | mkrufky: | i'll find a friend with fios and run some tests |
[01:17:01] | iamlindoro__: | although at least it was .verizon.com so I'd buy it |
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[01:20:19] | DustyBin: | good news! Nova-T is still going strong since i turned off EIT :D |
[01:21:03] | DustyBin: | not so good news: |
[01:21:06] | DustyBin: | Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2008-03–18 16:17 and ended on 2008-03–18 16:17. FAILED: xmltv returned error code 512. |
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[01:22:18] | iamlindoro__: | DustyBin: It'll be more enlightening to run it from the command line, should give more useful info |
[01:22:42] | _banyan: | Hey! They fixed the ivtv output again in 0.21! yay! |
[01:22:59] | _banyan: | whoever was responsible, thank you thank you thank you etc. |
[01:23:05] | DustyBin: | iamlindoro__: doing that right now |
[01:24:02] | DustyBin: | iamlindoro__: i think the mythtv nova-t 500 wiki needs mentioning that turning off EIT could solve a lot of headache |
[01:25:19] | iamlindoro__: | DustyBin: Get to it, then ;) |
[01:26:14] | DustyBin: | i will make a special effort soon |
[01:26:27] | _banyan: | Is there some virtual e-butt I can kiss to thank the people who got the 350 output working again? |
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[01:27:48] | DustyBin: | iamlindoro__: heres what happens when i mythfilldatabase |
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[01:27:51] | DustyBin: | http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2513 |
[01:28:18] | _banyan: | for they are surely engaged in the rocking, and I am wanting to inform them of their rocking status. |
[01:28:21] | _banyan: | heh |
[01:28:26] | iamlindoro__: | Well mythfilldatabase is fine, looks like your xmltv grabber is busted, though |
[01:28:55] | iamlindoro__: | no knowledge of the RT grabber, though, so probably best to check with a UK person |
[01:29:03] | dm-madman: | I'm having trouble getting the backend timezone offset to work right. it was working until my last update |
[01:29:14] | DustyBin: | config file /home/mythtv/.mythtv/.xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure |
[01:29:21] | DustyBin: | why does it look at that? |
[01:29:23] | BobSlob: | anyone getting this problem where the pre-scaling theme images keeps freezing |
[01:30:01] | iamlindoro__: | DustyBin: again, gonna need to check you RT grabber setup, it's likely handled by that |
[01:30:57] | DustyBin: | aye ok |
[01:31:10] | black_Nightmare_: | just had to ask but any of you know about setting up firewire? |
[01:31:12] | dm-madman: | hmmm |
[01:31:30] | dm-madman: | I think the problem is with mythfilldatabase being run automatically |
[01:32:37] | mkrufky: | ttyl, guys |
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[01:32:53] | _banyan: | are there no mythtv coder praise hogs online, upon whom I can lavish my glee at being able to use my pvr350 tv-out?? |
[01:33:05] | dm-madman: | all the listings are wrong |
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[01:41:23] | dm-madman: | i'll try deleting the whole program table and refilling it |
[01:41:28] | _banyan: | hey, being new to 0.21, I see the watch list is a new thing. what is it? are they recordings that are threatened with auto deletion? |
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[01:45:43] | Aval0n: | i got rid of the watch list |
[01:45:53] | Aval0n: | didn't suite what I wanted |
[01:46:28] | jams: | _banyan- the watch list is a list of recorded shows that have not been viewed or marked as watched |
[01:47:20] | jams: | Captain_Murdoch- present? |
[01:52:27] | DustyBin: | Debian 5 |
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[01:57:27] | Aval0n: | hey guys what bitrats is everyone using for analog cable in here? |
[01:57:31] | Aval0n: | I'm between 5–6k |
[01:58:23] | jams: | 2–3K |
[01:58:46] | Aval0n: | really?! |
[01:58:52] | jams: | yes |
[01:58:52] | Aval0n: | and it still looks okay for you eh? |
[01:58:57] | jams: | yes |
[01:59:02] | Aval0n: | wow |
[01:59:20] | Aval0n: | I don't think I had such good luck at that low of a bitrate. |
[01:59:32] | jams: | i was doing 5K but that just took up space with no increase in quality |
[01:59:42] | jams: | anything less then 2k gets blocky |
[01:59:50] | Aval0n: | hmm |
[02:00:08] | Belboz99: | Hey, anyone know how to make a Motorola DCT2224 change channels ? |
[02:00:14] | DustyBin: | You MUST run 'mythfilldatabase --manual the first time, instead of just 'mythfilldatabase'. |
[02:00:18] | DustyBin: | Your grabber does not provide channel numbers, so you have to set them manually. |
[02:00:35] | Belboz99: | I've tired both Serial and IR Blaster, and having absolutely no luck with either |
[02:00:35] | DustyBin: | do i really need to run mythfilldatabase --manual? cant i just put the channel numbers in mythweb? |
[02:01:22] | Belboz99: | channel 12 |
[02:01:22] | Belboz99: | channel: /dev/ttyS0: Input/output error |
[02:01:34] | Belboz99: | that's all I get from that command :( |
[02:02:08] | Belboz99: | IR doesn't work at all, the daemons won't load, nor will they tell me why they're not loading |
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[02:08:19] | DGMurdockIII: | any one awake |
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[02:09:13] | Belboz99: | hey fuxxy |
[02:09:18] | DGMurdockIII: | I can't get a connection going between my Motorola 2224 and my PC |
[02:09:19] | Belboz99: | hey DGMurdockIII |
[02:09:40] | fuxxy: | When watching DVD's through mythVideo, my sound skips badly.. the video plays just find but the sound is HORRIBLE.. anyone have any ideas? |
[02:09:45] | fuxxy: | could it be a codec issue? |
[02:11:56] | DustyBin: | it could be a dodgy warez issue |
[02:12:15] | fuxxy: | Why would it be warez related? |
[02:12:27] | DustyBin: | fuxxy: do you also see people getting up to buy popcorn in the film :P |
[02:12:46] | fuxxy: | DustyBin, it's a retail DVD. Sorry, thought that was understood. |
[02:12:51] | DustyBin: | aye ok |
[02:13:03] | DustyBin: | fuxxy: forget mythtv |
[02:13:06] | DustyBin: | close mythtv |
[02:13:11] | DustyBin: | run mplayer videofile.avi |
[02:13:19] | fuxxy: | uh.. |
[02:13:19] | DustyBin: | how is the sound? |
[02:13:39] | fuxxy: | it's a DVD...but I'll run mplayer with just the dvd and see |
[02:13:49] | DustyBin: | ok |
[02:13:55] | DGMurdockIII: | (DustyBin): could u also help out Belboz99 please |
[02:14:20] | DustyBin: | IR problem? Belboz99 ? |
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[02:14:35] | Belboz99: | DustyBin: I've been trying both IR and Serial, no dice either way |
[02:14:37] | DustyBin: | Belboz99: it took me about 3 weeks to suss out lirc :P |
[02:14:45] | fuxxy: | DustyBin, same as before |
[02:14:57] | DustyBin: | fuxxy: that means the issue isnt mythtv related |
[02:14:58] | Belboz99: | Serial should be easy, shouldn't it? |
[02:15:13] | DustyBin: | Belboz99: you need to follow a good how to |
[02:15:19] | fuxxy: | DustyBin, it's gotta be mplayer/libdvdcss related then |
[02:15:21] | DustyBin: | there are lots of little details |
[02:15:34] | DustyBin: | fuxxy: try on a normal avi file? |
[02:15:46] | fuxxy: | Normal avi file works fine |
[02:16:06] | DustyBin: | try upgrading dvdcss |
[02:17:02] | DustyBin: | Belboz99: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC |
[02:17:15] | DustyBin: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_LIRC |
[02:17:25] | DustyBin: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_Eft |
[02:17:35] | DustyBin: | if you read all of those, you should be able to get it working |
[02:17:57] | DustyBin: | i had to read 2/3 wikis before as some wikis miss important information |
[02:18:58] | fuxxy: | hmm, already have the latest stable libdvdcss in portage, lemme heck the unsables |
[02:20:07] | Belboz99: | DustyBin: I followed this one here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Motorola_DCT-25xx for the serial connection |
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[02:24:55] | DGMurdockIII: | (Belboz99): try the plug |
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[02:25:01] | DGMurdockIII: | (Belboz99): try the plug in |
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[02:28:24] | Belboz99: | DGMurdockIII: plugin? |
[02:28:59] | DGMurdockIII: | (Belboz99): sagetv |
[02:29:18] | DGMurdockIII: | (Belboz99): try sagetv with the plugin i give u the links |
[02:29:52] | DGMurdockIII: | (Belboz99): http://www.sagetv.com/download.html?bbidx |
[02:30:24] | DGMurdockIII: | (Belboz99): cable box plug-in http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1606 |
[02:31:34] | DGMurdockIII: | http://sourceforge.net/projects/multidcttuner/ first look at this |
[02:37:14] | fuxxy: | aha |
[02:37:25] | fuxxy: | it was mytharchive's internal dvd player that was the culprit |
[02:37:32] | fuxxy: | mplayer actually played the video fine |
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[02:48:59] | DustyBin: | Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2008-03–19 02:43 and ended on 2008-03–19 02:46. Successful. |
[02:49:03] | DustyBin: | There's guide data until 2008-04–01 02:10 (13 days). |
[02:49:03] | DustyBin: | the first run is ok |
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[02:50:42] | DustyBin: | juski is on the Jeremy Kyle show |
[02:50:48] | DustyBin: | dont forget to record :P |
[02:50:51] | DustyBin: | The Jeremy Kyle Show: MythTV themes sent me over the edge |
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[02:52:06] | Aval0n: | guys i currently have a linksys wrt54gs. If I got a 1000mbit linksys switch, I could hook all the PCs together on that while still being served DHCP from the routher/switch correct/ |
[02:52:51] | DustyBin: | why not? |
[02:56:36] | Aval0n: | I don't see a reason why not :) |
[02:56:52] | Aval0n: | I just wonder if the 2nd switch talking to the first at 100mb would slow it down |
[03:01:07] | Belboz99: | okay, I have an analog signal coming out of my Motorola 2224, (I think it's analog), how should I configure MythTV? Is the channel frequency us-cable? broadcast? etc |
[03:03:18] | bsdfox__: | I'd try us-cable first |
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[03:15:40] | anenigma_: | Aval0n: there's be only one 100mbit link between the two switches, so bandwidth may suffer if you have a backend on one switch and multiple (>3 at a guess) on the other end |
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[03:16:27] | GreyFoxx: | it really depends on the type of video |
[03:16:37] | GreyFoxx: | full bitrate hdtv might suffer at more than 4 |
[03:16:44] | GreyFoxx: | but sdtv could do 20 or more streams |
[03:17:17] | Aval0n: | hmm |
[03:17:33] | Aval0n: | I have one machine that has a BE and main FE on it |
[03:17:39] | GreyFoxx: | ands its pretty rare to see full bitrate hdtv |
[03:17:40] | Aval0n: | then another machine in the bedroom |
[03:17:52] | Aval0n: | my FE/BE machine is on wireless-G |
[03:17:52] | Aval0n: | lol |
[03:18:00] | Aval0n: | streams the HDTV just fine to the other FE |
[03:18:08] | Aval0n: | I was suprised |
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[03:21:31] | Belboz99: | hey, I've got this error, what does it mean? |
[03:21:31] | Belboz99: | 2008-03–18 22:20:47.264 MythSocket(825a3a0:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected. |
[03:21:47] | Belboz99: | TV won't play because of it :( |
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[04:16:59] | noclue: | okay, i've been experiencing the following error: 'select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding'. on the mailing list is says to try using the bleeding edge driver (i.e.: v4l-dvb-hg). I did that, but the problem still persists. any ideas? |
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[04:18:05] | FunkyELF: | Hey guys, I'm getting a seg fault with mythfrontend....any ideas? I'm trying to run a verbose mode but can't figure it out |
[04:18:49] | FunkyELF: | when I run it with -v I get Missing argument to -v/--verbose option |
[04:18:57] | fryfrog: | try "-v help" |
[04:19:01] | FunkyELF: | when I run it with -v 1 I get Unknown argument for -v/--verbose: 1 |
[04:19:09] | fryfrog: | fail! |
[04:19:24] | fryfrog: | try "-v important" or "-v all" or use "-v help" to figure out what you want to use. |
[04:19:53] | fryfrog: | if you want to use a few different ones, do "important,playback,database" or what ever you like |
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[04:20:06] | fryfrog: | (weird debug mode, i'd agree) |
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[04:20:54] | FunkyELF: | important : http://pastebin.ca/948480 |
[04:21:28] | FunkyELF: | all : http://pastebin.ca/948481 |
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[04:22:55] | fryfrog: | lets hear some details |
[04:23:00] | bobgill: | What is the quality of capture to be expected with pvr-150? |
[04:23:19] | fryfrog: | bobgill: analog sd, comiserate to the quality coming into the card. |
[04:23:41] | fryfrog: | my cable was pretty crappy (streaky, ghosty, what ever) until the cable co put an amp outside my house. then it looked nice |
[04:23:52] | fryfrog: | but still of course doesn't compare to HD signal |
[04:23:58] | bobgill: | i am capturing from regular cable tv |
[04:24:25] | fryfrog: | FunkyELF: have you updated recently, anything changed about your system? do you use packages or svn -fixes or? |
[04:24:38] | fryfrog: | bobgill: great, me too |
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[04:24:58] | FunkyELF: | fryfrog, I did update recently...on Gentoo I did an emerge -uDNv world |
[04:24:59] | bobgill: | well my intent is to set up mythtv to capture certain shows regularly and some I download HD torrents of (350mb/30min show).. but of course the HD is lessened by the encoding of the video file, just curious how it would compare |
[04:25:10] | fryfrog: | bobgill: a video played back from a pvr150 shouldn't deviate significantly from that on your tv |
[04:25:30] | fryfrog: | 350mb/30min isn't hd |
[04:25:41] | fryfrog: | it is probably an HD source encoded down to SD |
[04:25:45] | fryfrog: | so it'll look better |
[04:25:55] | bobgill: | yes |
[04:25:56] | fryfrog: | than what you'd record with a pvr150, would be my guess |
[04:26:56] | fryfrog: | if you get it all setup and it looks much worse than what you'd see on your tv, then something is probably wrong |
[04:27:06] | bobgill: | right |
[04:27:09] | fryfrog: | either a bad signal (do a recording and watch on a system that isn't hooked to a tv) |
[04:27:13] | bobgill: | guess I have to set it up and see for myself :] |
[04:27:28] | fryfrog: | or a bad pc -> tv hookup (play a good looking xvid/divx and see) |
[04:27:54] | fryfrog: | how would you plan to hook your pc -> tv (if you were planning on doing that at all?) |
[04:27:59] | bobgill: | I will be using my lcd monitor as frontend |
[04:28:01] | fryfrog: | FunkyELF: any idea if it updated myth? |
[04:28:07] | fryfrog: | ah, lcd computer monitor? |
[04:28:11] | bobgill: | yes |
[04:28:24] | fryfrog: | then your only possible suck-ness will come from cable signal's quality |
[04:28:33] | fryfrog: | if it is decent, it should be decent from the 150 |
[04:28:47] | fryfrog: | i have a pvr500 (2x 150s on one card) and the recordings are fine |
[04:29:02] | fryfrog: | i can even zoom them from 4:3 -> 16:9 and it still looks reasonable. |
[04:29:08] | bobgill: | ah nice |
[04:29:18] | fryfrog: | of course, Hd blows it away by far... and if you are using a computer monitor, you can do *real* hd display easily |
[04:29:22] | FunkyELF: | fryfrog, don't think so...because I remember it bitching about some incompatibilities with mythtv and mythtv-themes or something else so I removed mythtv from my /etc/portage/package.keywords so i stopped trying to pull in the latest and greatest. I really don't think mythtv was included in this last update |
[04:29:26] | fryfrog: | assuming reasonalbe pc hardware :) |
[04:29:38] | bobgill: | how would I capture HD? I need a HD signal from my cable company ? |
[04:29:47] | bobgill: | i only have normal cable tv in the house now |
[04:29:50] | fryfrog: | there are a few choices, none of them that great imho |
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[04:30:09] | fryfrog: | 1) ATSC/QAM card hooked to cable or an antenna |
[04:30:18] | fryfrog: | you'll get like 5 or 6 HD channels, probably |
[04:30:28] | fryfrog: | 2) Firewire from an HD STB from your cable co |
[04:30:35] | fryfrog: | 3) Magic |
[04:30:43] | bobgill: | hehe |
[04:31:08] | fryfrog: | FunkyELF: if i were still running gentoo, i would probably unmask mythtv and update. They probably pushed out 0.21 and all the libs and such got updated, so now maybe your old and busted just don't work |
[04:31:46] | fryfrog: | i'd probably also use this time to consider if i really wanted to be running gentoo anymore, at least on a system where you want myth to just work as much as possible |
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[04:32:23] | bobgill: | thx for your help fryfrog, I will set up myth this weekend and see how it goes.. time for bed |
[04:32:24] | fryfrog: | bobgill: the nice part about firewire from an hd stb is that it is digital, and if you are lucky, *every* channel your cable co offers. this will look as good as you can get |
[04:32:30] | fryfrog: | bye :) |
[04:32:46] | fryfrog: | the down side is that it is a crapshot if it works in your area :) |
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[04:50:54] | a1fa_: | blah |
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[05:08:39] | levander: | If I'm running myth on a 32 bit Linux install, but then I wipe it out and replace it with a 64 bit Linux install, do I need to reformat the partition holding all my recordings and videos? E.g., would the (XFS) filesystem on that partition be a 32 bit filesystem, or does 'bit-ness' not matter with filesystems? |
[05:10:24] | anenigma_: | it shouldn't matter one bit |
[05:10:41] | anenigma_: | you will have to reimport all the files, however, so i'd suggest taking a backup of the database |
[05:11:01] | levander: | anenigma_: Yeah, I'm researching how to migrate the database now. |
[05:11:04] | levander: | Thanks anenigma_ |
[05:11:12] | anenigma_: | 'theoretically' you should be able to import the same database into the 64bit system and have it work, but something will usually come up |
[05:11:59] | levander: | anenigma_: I plan on doing this migration when Ubuntu Hardy comes out. So, I'll have to figure out how to get myth to migrate all the data to the new myth schema in Hardy. |
[05:12:19] | levander: | In Hardy, it'll be the version of myth that just came out. |
[05:15:50] | anenigma_: | even more fun. the added version change will more than likely break something. i know the upgrade process should be simple, but there are too many things which can go wrong |
[05:16:46] | levander: | I guess one big factor is how big a deal taking a schema out of a 32 bit mysql install and moving it into a 64 bit mysql install... |
[05:17:44] | anenigma_: | that should be minimal. |
[05:18:29] | levander: | well then the other issue is how well written the mythtv migration script between the two versions is |
[05:18:53] | anenigma_: | the biggest factor is the myth version change, next would be mysql version change, finally would be 32bit-64bit. the 32/64 thing will probably only change hardware-related things |
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[05:59:53] | nuonguy: | fryfrog: do you use firewire? |
[06:00:35] | nuonguy: | heck, does anyone use firewire and mythtv with a 2.6.24 kernel? |
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[06:09:24] | levander: | Has anyone seen docs on migrating a 0.20.1 database to a 0.20.2? |
[06:12:57] | levander: | Oh wait, I meant 0.20.2 to 0.21. |
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[06:42:39] | xris: | levander: it should just go automatically.. but it's recommended that you make a ackup first |
[06:44:53] | purserj: | "I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that" |
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[07:21:14] | CCFL_Man2: | rl drake qam modulators and rf upconverters work beautifully |
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[08:05:20] | hnitsuj: | and so it begins... backwards compatability with themes is disappearing proper :) |
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[08:17:10] | hnitsuj: | eh? when did amazon start selling shoes & stuff?! |
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[08:19:22] | Dagmar: | A long time ago |
[08:19:32] | dm-madman: | I've written an FM receiver application, and I would like to know if there is any way to tell mythtv that the input is busy when I run it. |
[08:19:38] | dm-madman: | i'd like to avoid having to read all of the sources myself, if possible |
[08:19:43] | Dagmar: | At the moment, not really |
[08:20:19] | Dagmar: | Things have been heading in that direction, but I don't the backend is quite aware (yet) that some tuners may be blocked by others |
[08:20:42] | dm-madman: | i was hoping for an update tuners set busy=1... :) |
[08:20:51] | dm-madman: | how nice that would be |
[08:21:22] | dm-madman: | so it will require a modification to the sources i guess |
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[08:21:46] | Dagmar: | Well, yes. |
[08:22:41] | hnitsuj: | but then, it's a long time since I visited amazon I spose |
[08:24:37] | dm-madman: | It looks like Qt4 for the backend |
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[08:35:48] | Dibblah: | dm-madman: There is. |
[08:36:17] | Dibblah: | Can't remember what it's called, though. |
[08:36:30] | dm-madman: | there is ? |
[08:36:52] | dm-madman: | found myself looking at sources |
[08:38:47] | Dibblah: | Assuming you're locking a video tuner, yes. |
[08:39:07] | dm-madman: | well the fm tuner 'shares' a tuner with one of the video ones |
[08:39:12] | dm-madman: | pvr-500 |
[08:40:14] | dm-madman: | so if it was recording on the first tuner i'd like to be able to know that and maybe just print a 'no go' message...otherwise lock and use the tuner |
[08:41:00] | dm-madman: | one time i started playing the radio and ended up with an fm radio soundtrack in my recorded show |
[08:41:02] | Dibblah: | It's like EXEC... |
[08:41:05] | Dibblah: | EXECTV? |
[08:41:25] | dm-madman: | what is exec? |
[08:42:14] | Dibblah: | It's what you put in the theme to call an external program? |
[08:42:42] | dm-madman: | oic |
[08:43:12] | Dibblah: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Menu_the . . . cial_Actions |
[08:43:18] | dm-madman: | and how does this solve my problem of telling myth when another prog wants the tuner? |
[08:43:28] | dm-madman: | looking |
[08:43:54] | Dibblah: | You launch it from the menu, it tells the external program what tuner to use and marks it as unavailable for the scheduler. |
[08:44:21] | dm-madman: | oh |
[08:44:37] | Dibblah: | Not sure how it copes with multirec, but that's not a problem for you, I guess. |
[08:44:45] | dm-madman: | so if i launch my program from inside myth i can make it reserve the tuner like that |
[08:44:52] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
[08:45:08] | dm-madman: | that could work |
[08:45:18] | dm-madman: | not ideal, but it could be okay |
[08:46:29] | dm-madman: | Another thing I was wondering was if there was some kind of 'priority' on tuner inputs |
[08:46:40] | dm-madman: | it seems like i saw something like that |
[08:46:50] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
[08:46:59] | dm-madman: | make the radio tuner last to use |
[08:47:10] | dm-madman: | in mythtv-setup i assume? |
[08:47:36] | Dibblah: | However, all of this is better done by integrating the 'radio' into mythbackend ;) |
[08:47:52] | dm-madman: | it could be quite possible |
[08:47:59] | dm-madman: | it was written in qt also |
[08:48:02] | Dibblah: | Myth already copes well with audio-only streams. |
[08:48:18] | Dibblah: | No, I mean as a fully schedulable resource. |
[08:48:24] | Dibblah: | Not as a plugin. |
[08:48:28] | dm-madman: | i couldn't find any way to tune in FM |
[08:48:38] | dm-madman: | from inside myth i mean |
[08:48:41] | Dibblah: | There currently isn't any. |
[08:48:58] | dm-madman: | i wonder why |
[08:49:07] | dm-madman: | it was a simple procedure |
[08:49:08] | Dibblah: | But it _should_ be possible (not exactly easy) to modify it. |
[08:49:49] | dm-madman: | i'm guessing not particularly easy |
[08:49:56] | dm-madman: | a lot of variables |
[08:50:04] | Dibblah: | All depends on your level of development skill. |
[08:50:12] | Dibblah: | It's been talked about a lot :( |
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[08:50:23] | dm-madman: | though the main things to look at would be 'channels' |
[08:50:38] | dm-madman: | in the backend setup |
[08:50:59] | hnitsuj: | ah nifty – didn't realise you could do that :) |
[08:51:09] | dm-madman: | talked about like someone is doing it |
[08:51:12] | hnitsuj: | er.. the exectv thingy I mean |
[08:51:16] | dm-madman: | or talked about like nobody wants to |
[08:51:20] | Dibblah: | It's a nasty hack :( |
[08:51:35] | hnitsuj: | so's freevo :) |
[08:51:48] | Dibblah: | Talked about it as in every single user thinks it's a worthwhile addition, apparently ;) |
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[08:52:10] | dm-madman: | seems easy enough |
[08:52:26] | hnitsuj: | one of those things that if I could be arsed I'd look at making a new recorder class for audio/fm radio |
[08:52:27] | dm-madman: | only took me about 30 minutes to write a radio tuner gui |
[08:53:33] | dm-madman: | looks like the change would be in 'video sources' |
[08:53:38] | hume: | hi... I run mythfrontend on a computer, where I also at times view movies with mplayer or kaffeine. However, when switching from mythtv to any other player or back, the picture is just gibberish, and I need to restart X, after which it works fine. Anyone knows about this? |
[08:53:46] | dm-madman: | they might have to change that name, heh |
[08:53:57] | hnitsuj: | when/if the internal player can cope with audio-only streams it should be easy-ish |
[08:54:13] | Dibblah: | It can. |
[08:54:16] | dm-madman: | Dibblah said it could |
[08:54:21] | Dibblah: | And has done for a few years now. |
[08:54:22] | dm-madman: | twice now :) |
[08:54:33] | Dibblah: | It does better recently. |
[08:54:47] | Dibblah: | Where the fake video stream is no longer generated by the backend. |
[08:54:51] | dm-madman: | I wonder where this channel frequency table comes from |
[08:54:57] | hnitsuj: | Dibblah: thought dvb radio was only possible with a dummy video stream & the part I wasn't sure about was whether or not the need for the dummy video had been removed |
[08:55:10] | Dibblah: | dvb radio works fine... |
[08:55:28] | hnitsuj: | because in the past, like less than a year ago, running 'mythtv $somemp3.mp3' didn't work |
[08:55:49] | purserj: | hmm spend more time on mythnews or do some actual work tonight |
[08:55:52] | purserj: | decisions decision |
[08:55:53] | purserj: | s |
[08:57:18] | dm-madman: | seems like if i could add the frequencies to a new 'channel frequency table' it might be all i need |
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[08:57:58] | dm-madman: | i guess it would be kind of cool...a radio in every tv in the house, record from radio, rewind radio, etc |
[08:58:05] | Dibblah: | Hrm. That's not exactly dvb radio. |
[08:58:23] | Dibblah: | dm-madman: Yes. |
[08:58:33] | Dibblah: | (The other comment was for justinh) |
[08:58:35] | hnitsuj: | dm-madman: yeah but the point is, I'm not sure any of mythtv's recorder classes work with just audio |
[08:58:54] | Dibblah: | dvb-radio does work. |
[08:59:01] | hnitsuj: | Dibblah: that's my point. the internal player would need to handle proper audio-only streams |
[08:59:11] | Dibblah: | Straight non-interleaved audio files don't. |
[08:59:17] | hnitsuj: | exactly |
[08:59:23] | Dibblah: | The player does, in it's own way. |
[08:59:40] | Dibblah: | The recorder needs to do some funky joo joo, though, I believe. |
[08:59:49] | dm-madman: | the strange thing is, when i 'hijacked' the tuner for radio, myth kept recording and the video was still on the same channel |
[08:59:51] | hnitsuj: | get over that, and it opens up a new world of possibilities |
[08:59:54] | dm-madman: | only the audio changed |
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[09:00:05] | hnitsuj: | then it'd be worth making a new audio-only recorder class |
[09:00:55] | Dibblah: | Well, a better approach may be to do NVR better :( |
[09:01:02] | dm-madman: | a slight change to the existing class would be more logical probably |
[09:01:03] | hnitsuj: | NVR? |
[09:01:10] | Dibblah: | Currently, there's a lot of hardcoding in there. |
[09:01:15] | hnitsuj: | dm-madman: a new class would be better IMHO |
[09:01:17] | Dibblah: | NuppelVideoRecorder. |
[09:01:27] | hnitsuj: | less chance of breaking existing stuff |
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[09:01:42] | hnitsuj: | also saves making existing classes more complicated |
[09:02:03] | dm-madman: | have you looked at this code hnitsuj ? |
[09:02:11] | hnitsuj: | a couple of times |
[09:02:52] | dm-madman: | trying to find the recorder class you were talking about in here |
[09:03:10] | dm-madman: | this is the first time i've looked at this code |
[09:03:15] | hnitsuj: | dm-madman: there are several recorder classes mythtv uses to deal with different types of input |
[09:03:37] | hnitsuj: | there's the dvb recorder class, framebuffer recording class, ivtv recording class.... |
[09:03:38] | dm-madman: | oh, hardware specific ones or something |
[09:03:46] | dm-madman: | k |
[09:04:13] | hnitsuj: | all in libmythtv somewhere IIRC |
[09:05:15] | dm-madman: | omg |
[09:05:18] | dm-madman: | lots of files |
[09:05:41] | Dibblah: | dm-madman: Myth can be rewritten in 1k lines of perl, however, apparently ;) |
[09:05:59] | dm-madman: | right |
[09:06:02] | Dibblah: | Myth is not small and not simple :( |
[09:06:09] | dm-madman: | myth has some really great features |
[09:06:30] | dm-madman: | and the code i've seen is actually quite nice to look at |
[09:06:50] | Dibblah: | Some of it indeed is. |
[09:07:05] | Dibblah: | There are deep dark pits (with included grues) however. |
[09:07:14] | dm-madman: | of course |
[09:07:23] | dm-madman: | I'm afraid to look at ivtvdecoder.cpp |
[09:07:32] | Dibblah: | The BUQ has eaten many eager acolytes. |
[09:08:15] | hnitsuj: | dm-madman: I can't remember this – is the audio only stream from a pvr card PCM or is it compressed? |
[09:08:29] | dm-madman: | oh |
[09:08:32] | dm-madman: | it's pcm |
[09:08:43] | dm-madman: | i hadn't thought about that |
[09:08:46] | dm-madman: | actually |
[09:09:02] | hnitsuj: | cool, so crack that & it might be quite easy to add soundcard audio recording to the new class as well :) |
[09:09:04] | dm-madman: | it kind of seems like it may have been produced both ways |
[09:09:28] | dm-madman: | crack what |
[09:09:38] | dm-madman: | anyway |
[09:09:58] | dm-madman: | like i said, when i change to fm on the tuner myth will just keep on recording and the audio will change only |
[09:10:14] | hnitsuj: | if the backend is using it already |
[09:10:28] | Dibblah: | So, it's already outputting a stream Myth can use. |
[09:10:36] | dm-madman: | yes |
[09:10:45] | Dibblah: | Gotta restart X. |
[09:10:53] | dm-madman: | but the video would just be whatever channel it was on already |
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[09:11:14] | dm-madman: | so it would end up being a kind of ugly hack |
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[09:11:51] | dm-madman: | wb |
[09:12:27] | dm-madman: | the audio myth normally uses is compressed, isn't it |
[09:12:41] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
[09:13:08] | dm-madman: | so it would seem that the fm audio goes through the encoder too |
[09:13:30] | dm-madman: | and my extra device nodes just allow me to get it as raw pcm instead if i want to |
[09:13:35] | Dibblah: | It depends on the source. |
[09:13:49] | dm-madman: | dev/video24 i think it was |
[09:13:49] | Dibblah: | With ivtv, the compression happens on the card. |
[09:14:00] | dm-madman: | yeah i'm using ivtv |
[09:15:21] | Dibblah: | However, you've already proved that it's possible to record a compressed stream. You could aim for a modification of the ivtv recorder as a starting point. |
[09:15:46] | Dagmar: | There's actually been an FM radio plugin for Myth |
[09:15:53] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: Not really. |
[09:16:02] | Dibblah: | That's a horrible hack :( |
[09:16:07] | Dibblah: | Live only? |
[09:16:08] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but it did work |
[09:16:11] | dm-madman: | it seems like just adding the fm channels is all you need |
[09:16:12] | Dibblah: | In this day and age? ;) |
[09:16:17] | Dagmar: | The same problem still remains... |
[09:16:25] | Dagmar: | Use of the FM tuner _blocks_ that tuner for TV use |
[09:16:42] | dm-madman: | that's not really a problem |
[09:16:42] | Dagmar: | ...and the backend has no idea this has taken place. |
[09:16:57] | Dagmar: | Oh it's problem when the backend tries to record something thinking that tuner is currently free. |
[09:17:04] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: You're saying exectv doesn't exist? |
[09:17:07] | Dibblah: | ;) |
[09:17:07] | dm-madman: | ...unless the backend tunes in the FM |
[09:17:13] | Dagmar: | exectv? huh? |
[09:17:43] | Dagmar: | dm-madman: Dude, the FM tuner is used when you're tuning in broadcast TV ugh |
[09:17:48] | Dagmar: | Lemme try explaining this a different way |
[09:18:01] | dm-madman: | yes it is |
[09:18:03] | Dagmar: | The FM tuner stuff isn't on these cards because Hauppauge thought it would be a nice throw in |
[09:18:20] | Dagmar: | It's there because TV audio is broadcast using FM _exactly_ like "FM Radio". |
[09:18:29] | dm-madman: | of course |
[09:18:37] | Dibblah: | Not exactly. It's a subcarrier. |
[09:18:41] | Dagmar: | In fact, the entire "normal" FM radio spectrum lives between what amounts to channels 6 and 7 on your TV. |
[09:18:58] | dm-madman: | so why not just include those channels |
[09:19:08] | dm-madman: | consider them tv channels |
[09:19:13] | Dagmar: | If you are using the FM tuner element of tuner 1 to listen to radio, then tuner 1 can NOT be used to tune TV at the same time |
[09:19:14] | dm-madman: | so what if there's no video |
[09:19:26] | dm-madman: | yes i know all this |
[09:19:27] | Dagmar: | dm-madman: because at the moment that still confuses the hell out of the backend |
[09:20:10] | dm-madman: | well perhaps i can eliminate some of that confusion for it |
[09:21:07] | mjj29: | the radio broadcast over dvb-t is treated like a tv channel |
[09:22:29] | Dagmar: | Someone mentioned that there were "tuner groups" going in, but i'm not even sure if I got what they were calling it right, or the current status |
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[09:25:26] | dm-madman: | Dagmar : would you be able to elaborate on 'confuses the hell out of the backend' ? |
[09:25:53] | dm-madman: | since i accidentally recorded radio the other day, that confuses the hell out of me, to some extent |
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[09:26:20] | Dagmar: | Because the thing wasn't meant to record audio-only streams, and it's going to _expect_ video. |
[09:26:37] | Dagmar: | ...and it still has no idea you're blocking video tuner 1 when you're using the FM tuner by itself. |
[09:26:43] | Dibblah: | dm-madman: video0 is multi-open. |
[09:26:49] | dm-madman: | maybe I can find a nice blank video stream on channel 0 or something |
[09:27:16] | Dibblah: | So you opened it with your radio tuner program, while Myth was recording. |
[09:27:45] | dm-madman: | yeah |
[09:28:18] | dm-madman: | i completely understand what happened and why |
[09:29:40] | dm-madman: | i was actually considering adding a feature, maybe to the web interface, to get the 'locked' status and/or change it for a specific tuner |
[09:29:55] | dm-madman: | that would be a simple hack |
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[09:30:34] | dm-madman: | but the idea of making myth just tune in the radio seems like it might be worth the extra work |
[09:31:08] | Dagmar: | Yeah, everyone's going to love the idea of a feature that allows users to sabotage tuner status information. |
[09:32:28] | dm-madman: | it would do the trick for me, though. I could just make my own tuner program tell myth that the cards being taken away from it for awhile |
[09:32:59] | dm-madman: | the other idea has me considering the extra work though, seriously |
[09:33:26] | Dagmar: | Man if you can code C++ dig through the dev list archives and see if you can catch up with the people who've had this in mind as a _complete_ solution to the problem |
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[09:33:40] | Dagmar: | There's code that had to be developed for multirec that mirrors some of the functionality you'll need. |
[09:34:36] | dm-madman: | i could only implement this for my own card |
[09:34:48] | dm-madman: | i don't have any others |
[09:34:52] | Dagmar: | A very similar problem existed there... letting the backend know that *some* tuner use doesn't preclude simultanous use of the tuner for other things. |
[09:35:05] | Dagmar: | The v4l interface to the tuner should be the same regardless. |
[09:35:23] | Dagmar: | ...and the problem itself doesn't have anything hardware specific to it |
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[09:38:58] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: Apart from framebuffer cards. |
[09:39:16] | Dagmar: | Screw those people. |
[09:39:18] | Dagmar: | heh |
[09:39:25] | dm-madman: | framebuffer capture cards? |
[09:39:30] | Dibblah: | I'd rather not – They're poor. |
[09:39:33] | dm-madman: | would they even have FM tuners? |
[09:39:36] | Dagmar: | lol |
[09:39:43] | Dagmar: | what did I just say about 8 minutes ago? |
[09:39:57] | dm-madman: | good point |
[09:40:01] | Dagmar: | ANY card that can tune broadcast TV will have the FM tuner capability |
[09:40:22] | dm-madman: | but then again, not all cards *claim* to have that |
[09:40:40] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: That's not quite true. |
[09:40:50] | Dagmar: | Some might not have the ability to be quite that specific about where to tune to, but it's a fair shot. |
[09:40:55] | dm-madman: | it's obvious that any of the tuners can receive FM, and AM as well |
[09:41:05] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: I was already typing about te exception. |
[09:41:15] | Dagmar: | *sigh* |
[09:41:27] | Dagmar: | FM in this instance is *not* talking about the "FM Band" |
[09:41:37] | Dagmar: | FM is short for frequency modulation. |
[09:41:40] | dm-madman: | it does make sense though |
[09:41:50] | Dagmar: | You can tune an FM tuner to AM bands and it ain't pickin up shit. |
[09:41:59] | dm-madman: | dude you can stop stating obvious facts about AM/FM |
[09:42:20] | dm-madman: | TV video is broadcast in AM |
[09:42:21] | Dagmar: | Then you can stop stating incredibly wrong things. |
[09:42:24] | dm-madman: | and the audio in FM |
[09:43:05] | dm-madman: | the tuner can receive FM, but not all cards can tune in the broadcast radio frequencies in question |
[09:43:15] | Dibblah: | dm-madman: Don't worry about Dagmar – He can be somewhat confrontational. |
[09:43:28] | Dagmar: | ...and just because video is "broadcast in AM" doesn't mean you're picking up AM radio signals with it |
[09:43:33] | Dibblah: | He's a cute little puppy, really. |
[09:43:38] | hnitsuj: | anyway the very point about making a whole new recorder class would be to make conflict awareness/resolution possible ;) |
[09:43:57] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj is more up-to-date on the progress along that front than I am |
[09:44:39] | hnitsuj: | but until the internal player can play non-interleaved audio (e.g. a regular mp3, wav, ogg or whatever), there's not much point |
[09:45:13] | hnitsuj: | there's a plan to do that though, but I don't know where anybody's up to with that |
[09:45:18] | Dagmar: | Men. Conflict-resolution makes the idea of shimming a static image in as video trivial |
[09:45:29] | Dagmar: | s/Men/Meh/; |
[09:46:12] | hnitsuj: | the dvb-radio playback no longer needs a dummy video stream AFAIK, so maybe non-interleaved audio playback is a step closer than it was before 0.21 |
[09:47:25] | hnitsuj: | course when that happens it might even be possible to play back different audio & video at the same time, opening yet another possibility (and fulfulling some totally unreasonable user requests) |
[09:48:16] | Dagmar: | "I want to watch Pilates on ESPN with MTV3's audio!" |
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[09:51:26] | dm-madman: | hmmm...i get static for the video...cool |
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[09:52:04] | dm-madman: | i thought i got actual video mixed with it before |
[09:52:46] | dm-madman: | so it would seem that i can already use myth for the radio, and i just need to tune the right channel |
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[09:53:44] | dm-madman: | it's recording like usual too |
[09:54:08] | Frosty-: | Who in the UK has a working Nova-T 500, no issues, no disconnects, no losing lock |
[09:54:22] | Frosty-: | And wants to meet me :) |
[09:54:23] | dm-madman: | i think i'll just find a way to add the frequencies as more channels or something |
[09:55:42] | dm-madman: | or use the EXECTV thing and the radio gui i already wrote |
[09:55:51] | hashbang: | morning all |
[09:55:58] | dm-madman: | morning |
[09:56:23] | hashbang: | hmm, FC8 kernel 2.6.24.3–12 considered evil for DVB |
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[09:59:12] | hume: | hi.. I am trying to understand which tv-card I can use with myth in an ubuntu box, for recieving cable digital tv, where I need a CA-card for the channels – anyone got advice? Seems hauppauge does not have any....? |
[10:00:03] | hashbang: | Frosty-: I've just reverted to 2.6.23.9–85.fc8 from 26.24.3–12.fc8 after having problems with my DVB cards |
[10:01:47] | hashbang: | Frosty-: I also tried a snapshot of the v4l-dvb drivers from the mercurial repo, but they just seemed to make my machine hang hard |
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[10:11:56] | hnitsuj: | Frosty-: makes a big change from A/S/L I suppose :P |
[10:13:34] | hnitsuj: | ooo I can get a new car stereo with bluetooth & USB for less than my old stereo cost 6 months ago |
[10:15:41] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: (chinese mass production)++ |
[10:15:51] | hnitsuj: | good make too |
[10:16:03] | hashbang: | always a bonus |
[10:17:15] | mjj29: | you have a car which can fit third party stereos? |
[10:17:20] | mjj29: | do they make them any more? |
[10:17:31] | hnitsuj: | fascia adaptors ftw! |
[10:17:46] | mjj29: | (seriously, everyone does these strange shaped custom things now to stop them being nicked) |
[10:19:50] | hnitsuj: | arghhh stupid webshite. it's only 'bluetooth ready' |
[10:20:09] | mjj29: | what does that even mean? |
[10:20:29] | jduggan: | it means it cant do bluetooth |
[10:20:32] | jduggan: | ;] |
[10:20:44] | hnitsuj: | means "buy external adapter, only £300" |
[10:21:10] | hnitsuj: | means "you still have to look like a cock wearing a bluetooth headset" |
[10:22:36] | directhex|work: | mjj29, drives me up the wall. my car stereo sucks. i'd love the option to use it for more than just CDDA |
[10:23:13] | hnitsuj: | car hire firm gave me a lift home in a fiat somethingorother last night. that thing's stereo had usb |
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[10:25:52] | hnitsuj: | DAB would be nice, but try finding a model with DAB _and_ USB (mp3, AAC etc) |
[10:25:59] | hnitsuj: | as for ogg playback.. rofl |
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[10:29:21] | hnitsuj: | anyway I'm not buying a new car. new to me only. I'm not loaded ya knows |
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[10:29:53] | hnitsuj: | though if I'd known my inlaws were willing to give me an interest free loan before putting the deposit down on the one I'm getting.. (grrrrr) |
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[10:34:01] | directhex|work: | i'd be happy with something as simple as a line-in socket |
[10:34:30] | Dibblah: | Get a new mini ;) |
[10:34:43] | Dibblah: | ... Access to the amp control bus, etc. |
[10:35:02] | Dibblah: | Or the cheaper option, of course is a FM transmitter. |
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[10:36:54] | Frosty-: | if I can find someone within 200 miles of me, I'd like to take my nova-t 500 and give it to someone, so they can use it for a week and see if they get my issues :) |
[10:37:10] | Frosty-: | if they had a nova-t 500 without issues |
[10:37:17] | Frosty-: | see if it was the card, or the setup |
[10:38:42] | neb_: | heh |
[10:39:02] | neb_: | what distro are you using? |
[10:39:07] | Dibblah: | DAB would be 'nice'?!?!? |
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[10:39:22] | Dibblah: | You missed a bit on that statement, justinh. |
[10:39:25] | Dibblah: | Argh. |
[10:40:08] | Dibblah: | "DAB would be nice if the UK weren't such stingy bastards with the bandwidth allocation." There – Fixed it for you. |
[10:44:05] | directhex|work: | Dibblah, they never work for me. fm transmission sucks |
[10:44:28] | hnitsuj: | get a new mini. yeah about 20mpg, insurance group $stupid |
[10:45:22] | hnitsuj: | Frosty-: hint: look at only using passive eit scanning on the 2nd tuner ;) |
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[10:45:45] | Frosty-: | I had EIT off completely |
[10:45:53] | hnitsuj: | oh yeah I forgot I'll also need a mullet to look right driving in a new mini |
[10:46:02] | hnitsuj: | or a sex change |
[10:46:04] | Frosty-: | I've got 2x nova-t now :) |
[10:46:13] | directhex|work: | group 13 or so iirc |
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[10:46:43] | hnitsuj: | ffs. 13 for a car I'm only gonna use for commuting |
[10:47:20] | Frosty-: | pfft cars, bikes is where its at |
[10:47:20] | directhex|work: | the mini one is ig5, the mini cooper is ig8, the mini cooper s is group 15 |
[10:47:23] | hnitsuj: | cars are to get from A to B as frugally as possible, up to a point |
[10:47:41] | directhex|work: | and the mini cooper s sidewalk is group 17 |
[10:47:49] | hnitsuj: | I don't have enough disposable income for it to be anything else :( |
[10:47:55] | jduggan: | wtf is the s sidewalk |
[10:48:27] | directhex|work: | don't look at me, i'm just going by parkers.co.uk |
[10:48:31] | Frosty-: | Mini (for the) Sidewalk : http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/s . . . _468x401.jpg |
[10:49:45] | hnitsuj: | think it's bad enough I'm losing 2 years' no claims (did you know windscreen "no loss of no claims" repairs count as claims?) bonus & I've shelled out £100 on a hire car already.. plus buying new gear. |
[10:49:52] | directhex|work: | http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Summary.a . . . 4&page=3 |
[10:50:09] | directhex|work: | sidewalk! |
[10:50:20] | sid3windr: | pavement! |
[10:50:25] | hnitsuj: | doesn't help that I heard about a woman at work who's married to a copper – he had his car nicked.. just a regular car. within half an hour they had the fecking helicopter out looking for it |
[10:50:45] | directhex|work: | nobody said life was fair |
[10:51:05] | hnitsuj: | there's fair & there's just plain fucking outrageous bias |
[10:51:25] | Frosty-: | life's a bitch |
[10:51:44] | hnitsuj: | life's a bitch, then you go postal in a shopping centre one rainy afternoon :D |
[10:52:23] | Dibblah: | Is it raining where you are? |
[10:52:43] | hnitsuj: | rainy just to add more gloom :) |
[10:53:20] | Dibblah: | I meant more in the 'not going to be today then' way. |
[10:53:30] | hnitsuj: | anyway, only ranting. not like I've paid my taxes all my working life or anything :-\ |
[10:54:01] | hnitsuj: | soon be able to chalk it up to sucky experience & that'll be the end of it til next time it happens |
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[11:21:04] | DustyBin: | Nova-T 500 is still rock solid |
[11:21:20] | DustyBin: | Frosty-: turn off EIT, you will have a pleasant suprise |
[11:21:49] | Frosty-: | disable the cronjob |
[11:21:58] | hnitsuj: | what cron job? |
[11:22:07] | DustyBin: | Frosty-: download xmltv from here, compile: http://xmltv.org/wiki/ |
[11:22:52] | DustyBin: | Frosty-: you mean my mythbackend restart at 8am every morning? |
[11:23:24] | DustyBin: | im leaving that there, it might cancel out the monthly crash :P |
[11:24:17] | hnitsuj: | jesus. that's not a good advert. search for 'mythtv sucks'.. top result is that wiki page |
[11:24:35] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, who cares? it's not about attracting users, remember? |
[11:24:56] | DustyBin: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Why_MythTV_Sucks |
[11:25:01] | hnitsuj: | it's not about saying 'hey everything we've done isn't worth a look' either |
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[11:25:30] | DustyBin: | hnitsuj: mythtv isnt for users, its for developers :P |
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[11:25:56] | DustyBin: | and my problem isnt down to mythtv, its the drivers for the nova-t 500 |
[11:26:01] | hnitsuj: | heh well, so long as that's still the official line... |
[11:26:11] | DustyBin: | mythtv with stable drivers would last forever! |
[11:26:22] | hnitsuj: | DustyBin: I can confirm that :) |
[11:26:28] | DustyBin: | aye :D |
[11:26:45] | hnitsuj: | I'm not one of those uptime-tards but.. 110 days |
[11:27:02] | DustyBin: | hnitsuj: nothing wrong with restarting the backend everyday if its not in use either |
[11:27:04] | hnitsuj: | same can't be said of mythbackend – it's had a few wibbles |
[11:27:33] | DustyBin: | who would notice a 1 second backend restart at 8am every morning? |
[11:27:53] | hnitsuj: | so my wife missed an episode of Emmerdull a couple of times this year.. so what? :) |
[11:28:00] | DustyBin: | lol |
[11:28:48] | DustyBin: | hnitsuj: for some reason my grabber isnt picking up televisionx channels |
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[11:29:28] | hnitsuj: | porn for 13 year old boys... from 10pm – 4am (or whatever) |
[11:29:40] | DustyBin: | televisionx.co.uk <--- thats whats in the channel list |
[11:29:51] | DustyBin: | xmltvid |
[11:30:00] | DustyBin: | but it never shows anything |
[11:30:26] | DustyBin: | the latest nightly snapshot of xmltv gave me that id |
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[11:31:03] | hnitsuj: | is it in your videosourcename.xmltv file ? |
[11:31:17] | DustyBin: | yes |
[11:31:28] | DustyBin: | channel televisionx.co.uk |
[11:31:29] | hnitsuj: | is it correct? ;) |
[11:31:35] | DustyBin: | yes |
[11:31:36] | hnitsuj: | seems so |
[11:31:43] | hnitsuj: | is the xmltvid in the channel table too? |
[11:31:47] | DustyBin: | yesd |
[11:31:54] | hnitsuj: | against the right channel? |
[11:32:03] | DustyBin: | yes |
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[11:32:18] | hnitsuj: | wouldn't worry too much about it. there's FA worth watching on there anyway. seriously |
[11:32:34] | DustyBin: | :( thats my favourite channel |
[11:32:37] | hnitsuj: | I haven't got around to deleting/hiding it yet |
[11:33:14] | hnitsuj: | if I want to see chav slappers get their minge out I'll just go up to Whitley Bay for a weekend |
[11:33:23] | DustyBin: | LOL |
[11:34:39] | DustyBin: | heres one to record, some guy from manchester is on the show |
[11:34:42] | DustyBin: | The Jeremy Kyle Show: MythTV themes sent me over the edge |
[11:34:58] | hnitsuj: | rofl |
[11:35:10] | hnitsuj: | OSS made me a c*** |
[11:35:59] | Merlin83b: | DustyBin: Is it justinh? |
[11:37:28] | hnitsuj: | Merlin83b: if you type that backwards what do you get? |
[11:39:23] | Dagmar: | I would have thought for *sure* him using the word "chav" would have been a tip off. |
[11:39:26] | Merlin83b: | ;) |
[11:39:53] | Merlin83b: | Your hiding isn't very effective, sir. |
[11:40:00] | hnitsuj: | wasn't meant to be |
[11:40:13] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: Actually, if I were you, I'd be watching the news eagerly for reports that one of them "happy slapped" an american tourist of the "typical southern-American" style |
[11:40:21] | hnitsuj: | anybody with half a brain/interest would clock it immediately, I summised |
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[11:40:36] | Dagmar: | I would be pounding a face like I was trying to soften it up for the grill. |
[11:40:55] | hnitsuj: | eh? |
[11:41:07] | Dagmar: | That whole "happy slapping" fad they've got |
[11:41:26] | hnitsuj: | a more suitable choice of words to describe that have to be found |
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[11:41:29] | Dagmar: | If you pulled that here in Nashville, probably half the population would just go "Oh it's ON" and then there'd be a serious brawl |
[11:41:35] | hnitsuj: | sadistic murder for youtube is more like it |
[11:42:21] | Dagmar: | Here in the south, we know that the only solution for random, unreasoning violence, is _specific_ unreasoning violence. |
[11:42:56] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: awww but what about the perps' human rights to get away scot free? |
[11:43:28] | hnitsuj: | they only did it because they were bored, have a heart! |
[11:43:37] | Dagmar: | They get away after they go limp and stop whimpering. |
[11:44:15] | Dagmar: | I can forgive someone hitting me because they thought I was sleeping with their girl or something... they had a "good reason" however inaccurate it might have been. |
[11:44:21] | hnitsuj: | don't get me started man, just don't. 3 weeks to the day since I was badly wronged & I'm just starting to lighten up now |
[11:44:42] | Dagmar: | Someone hitting me just because they're bored? Well, in the south, that's just a hillbilly pastime called "goin' into the city to drank beer and get in fahts." |
[11:44:53] | Dagmar: | We know what to do about that. |
[11:45:01] | Dagmar: | Hit the other guy until he stops hitting back. |
[11:45:02] | Dagmar: | :) |
[11:45:19] | Dagmar: | ...and those are the "nice" hillbillies. |
[11:45:39] | Dagmar: | Perhaps there's stuff you guys could learn from the yanks about making youths behave. |
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[11:51:47] | hashbang: | DustyBin: Frosty-: I think the DVB drivers in 2.6.24 are bad for the Nova-T-500. Try 2.6.23. |
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[11:56:31] | hnitsuj: | chav scum are like effing hyenas. they all pile in with their feet |
[11:57:29] | hnitsuj: | it's ok because they know they won't get much of a penalty, even if they're found out |
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[11:59:56] | jgb: | http_proxy is correctly configured, and imdb.pl is v1.3.4. Running ./imdb.pl -M snatch just exits with no output. what can be wrong? |
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[12:08:09] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: And therein lies the problem... a lack of immediate retribution |
[12:10:38] | hnitsuj: | people can't be arsed |
[12:11:36] | jgb: | come again? |
[12:16:52] | hnitsuj: | wow. the bbc have announced the date that a new Dr Who trailer will be shown on telly! |
[12:17:09] | hnitsuj: | I'll be staying in on saturday incase myth doesn't record it! |
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[12:25:41] | Merlin83b: | Thought you didn't like DW these days, hnitsuj? |
[12:26:29] | hnitsuj: | I forgot the </sarcasm> tag sorry |
[12:26:41] | hnitsuj: | announcing new trailer airing ffs |
[12:28:21] | Merlin83b: | Hehe |
[12:28:56] | Merlin83b: | I know people who will be very happy that they've announced that. In fact now that you've told me I'm fully expecting it to be posted on a forum or two that I read. |
[12:29:20] | hnitsuj: | digitalspy.co.uk nerds will be all over it |
[12:29:28] | hnitsuj: | posting as they watch it. sad fucks |
[12:29:39] | hnitsuj: | ahem |
[12:30:23] | ** Dagmar hears jealousy ** | |
[12:32:10] | hnitsuj: | oh yes, I'm especially envious of those people whose lives are so full they have nothing better to do than nit-pick & salivate over a teaser trailer for a 2nd-rate TV series :) |
[12:32:33] | hnitsuj: | said the guy who spends way too much time in IRC |
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[12:44:38] | Belboz99: | Hey all |
[12:45:28] | Belboz99: | I've got my serial connection hooked up so I can control the Motorola 2224 with Myth, but it doesn't work because the serial connection "times out" |
[12:46:06] | Belboz99: | Is there any way I can validate whether or not the serial connection on the box is enabled? |
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[12:56:32] | Frosty--: | Is it possible to scan for EIT only on one card? |
[12:56:59] | Frosty--: | or do you need to get listings off all card |
[12:57:46] | hnitsuj: | Is it possible to scan for EIT only on one card? Yes :) |
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[13:01:23] | hnitsuj: | how? I don't know :) |
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[13:21:38] | hnitsuj: | ach to hell with the bluetooth. I can count the number of calls I receive when I'm in the car on one hand |
[13:28:31] | Dibblah: | Is that the hand you're driving with, or the one you're holding your phone with? |
[13:28:46] | hnitsuj: | heh |
[13:29:16] | Belboz99: | anyone know how to validate whether or not my Motorola DCT2224 has a working serial port? |
[13:29:20] | Dibblah: | Bluetooth is great – Iff you have a Nokia. |
[13:29:51] | directhex|work: | nokia's stack is one of the worst! |
[13:29:53] | hnitsuj: | Dibblah: like I said, not much point paying extra for something I'll use FA times ;) |
[13:29:54] | directhex|work: | or it used to be on s40 |
[13:30:22] | Dibblah: | directhex|work: You've not used the KE850, have you? |
[13:31:06] | Belboz99: | this is all I get: Attempting to initialize DCT |
[13:31:06] | Belboz99: | No response to packet |
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[13:33:07] | Dibblah: | Belboz99: It's quite likely that it's not enabled in your provider's firmware. |
[13:34:12] | Belboz99: | Dibblah: I was afraid of that, anything I can do about it? |
[13:35:34] | Frosty--: | argh |
[13:35:46] | Belboz99: | I've got my setting page loaded, and it has a high enough firmware rev., but it does say "a/b disabled" |
[13:36:08] | Frosty--: | how can I force the order that the kernel loads my tuners |
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[13:37:07] | [g2]: | Frosty--: I'd imagine you could not load them by default then load them after you are booted |
[13:37:24] | Dibblah: | Belboz99: No. |
[13:39:03] | directhex|work: | Frosty--, are the tuners identical? |
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[13:40:06] | Frosty--: | I have a Nova-T 500, dual tuner, but with EIT it loses lock and I've been restarting th ebackend to fix it, you know the story. I now have Nova-T single tuner, I wanna put EIT only on that, and switch it off the 500, but I also want nova-t 500 to be adapter1 and adapter2 |
[13:40:30] | Frosty--: | argh tongue twisted |
[13:40:34] | Frosty--: | I acn't explain myself, sorry :/ |
[13:40:42] | directhex|work: | so, easy option, stick "cx88-dvb" in /etc/modules |
[13:40:44] | hashbang: | Frosty--: so Myth prefers to record from the 500 |
[13:40:47] | hashbang: | ? |
[13:40:47] | directhex|work: | so it'll always be adapter 0 |
[13:41:02] | directhex|work: | hashbang, so EIT only happens on the non-500 |
[13:41:10] | hashbang: | directhex|work: figures |
[13:41:31] | hashbang: | Frosty--: did you get my message about how I was experiencing problems with 2.6.24? |
[13:41:35] | neb_: | Frosty--: what distro are you using out of interest? |
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[13:47:55] | Frosty--: | hashbang, I got problems with 2.6.24 as well |
[13:48:05] | Frosty--: | hashbang, was much more frequent disconnects than 2.6.22 |
[13:48:27] | Frosty--: | The nova-T card has literally just arrived from citylink, I just wnted to prep the box before I switched it off |
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[13:50:40] | directhex|work: | you got your easy answer. use it |
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[13:58:26] | hashbang: | Frosty--: yup; I think 2.6.24 is a disaster for the T-500 |
[13:59:11] | Frosty--: | neb_, debian |
[13:59:24] | Frosty--: | gonna pop this card in and boogy! |
[13:59:36] | Frosty--: | in the computer, not biological entries |
[13:59:39] | Frosty--: | ugh |
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[14:06:26] | neb_: | is trying ubuntu an option? |
[14:07:28] | directhex|work: | before you buy? absolutely |
[14:07:41] | directhex|work: | just give credit card details now, and we charge in 30 days unless you cancel |
[14:13:00] | hashbang: | am I right in thinking that the versions of the nv or nouveau drivers in FC8 support the XVideo extension? |
[14:13:09] | hashbang: | bah |
[14:13:16] | hashbang: | am I right in thinking that neither of the versions of the nv or nouveau drivers in FC8 support the XVideo extension? |
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[14:14:36] | directhex|work: | as far as i know |
[14:15:31] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: poop. :-( |
[14:15:42] | hashbang: | back to nvidia proprietary I go, I guess |
[14:15:45] | hashbang: | at least for now |
[14:16:41] | hashbang: | hmm, there are some XV-looking strings in the nouveau_drv.so binary |
[14:17:07] | hnitsuj: | like er.. "XV NOT SUPPORTED YET" ? ;) |
[14:17:24] | hashbang: | strings /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so | grep -i XV |
[14:17:24] | hashbang: | XvDMANotifiers |
[14:17:24] | hashbang: | XvDMANotifierStatus |
[14:17:24] | hashbang: | xf86XVFillKeyHelper |
[14:17:54] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: the nouveau folks reckon they've got Xv for the NV18 (GF440MX) and others, but presumably it's not in the version FC currently ships |
[14:17:58] | directhex|work: | what does xvinfo say? |
[14:19:04] | hashbang: | Xlib: extension "XVideo" missing on display ":0.0". |
[14:19:04] | hashbang: | xvinfo: No X-Video Extension on :0 |
[14:19:06] | hashbang: | for both |
[14:19:14] | hashbang: | I was going on the output of xdpyinfo |
[14:19:23] | hashbang: | seems pretty definitive. :-( |
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[14:47:48] | Hoxzer: | :/ Humm, seems like mythfildatabase isn't inserting data from EPG |
[14:49:02] | Hoxzer: | From Dvb I mean |
[14:49:09] | hnitsuj: | it doesn't |
[14:50:46] | hnitsuj: | mythfilldatabase is for anything but EIT sources |
[14:51:10] | Hoxzer: | Ok, how can I force update EIT data ? |
[14:51:26] | hnitsuj: | you can't |
[14:51:39] | hnitsuj: | it can only be updated when updates are transmitted |
[14:51:40] | Hoxzer: | Ok, that sucks |
[14:52:15] | Hoxzer: | Humm, seems like I'm only left with one choice ... have to update all program guide data from xmltv |
[14:52:19] | iamlindoro_: | EIT is guide data for hippies-- living off the land, taking what flows down the stream, watching al the pretty colors.... |
[14:52:22] | hnitsuj: | how can it suck? myth can't do any better if the data isn't available |
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[14:52:56] | Hoxzer: | hnitsuj: I meant the situation sucked |
[14:52:56] | hnitsuj: | if the guide data is blank, it can take a while for it all to be populated, that's all |
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[14:54:02] | hnitsuj: | if you don't see any EIT data for channels where you expect to see it, make sure useonairguide is enabled for those channels |
[14:54:22] | hnitsuj: | also make sure that the 'video source' is also set to have EIT enabled |
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[14:55:13] | Hoxzer: | Yes, it is enabled. My guide just stopped updating few days ago. |
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[14:56:35] | Hoxzer: | checked external digital receiver. It receives the EPG from EIT just fine |
[14:58:38] | hnitsuj: | check the backend logs then |
[14:58:59] | hnitsuj: | and make sure the database isn't corrupt, specifically the program table |
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[15:02:15] | Hoxzer: | Dont think db is corrrupted because everthing from xmltv is updated fine. Backend logs dont have any errors related to EIT |
[15:05:55] | hnitsuj: | don't think. check! |
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[15:11:15] | Hoxzer: | Seems to fine |
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[15:18:29] | nuonguy: | do you still need raw1394 with mythtv .21? |
[15:19:04] | Hoxzer: | Ok, atm I'm updating to latest 0.21-fixes after that I will check that EIT can be received with another program. |
[15:19:19] | Hoxzer: | Wonder if rescan of channels could help ? |
[15:20:08] | nuonguy: | do you still need raw1394 with mythtv .21? |
[15:20:38] | iamlindoro_: | yes, for firewire anyway |
[15:21:33] | iamlindoro_: | Why wouldn't you? |
[15:22:32] | nuonguy: | um, there is no plan to use the new firewire API in the kernel? |
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[15:23:15] | nuonguy: | I did a massive upgrade to .21 and also to kernel 2.6.24 and I'm having some trouble |
[15:23:52] | nuonguy: | plugreport finds a Node 0 GUID |
[15:24:02] | nuonguy: | but mythtv-setup won't let me select one |
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[15:24:08] | nuonguy: | firewire-tester fails |
[15:24:58] | iamlindoro_: | check permissions to your raw1394 device |
[15:26:27] | nuonguy: | crw-rw-rw- |
[15:26:44] | iamlindoro_: | Not *those*. |
[15:26:57] | iamlindoro_: | Make sure your myth setup and backend user are members of the group |
[15:27:46] | nuonguy: | oh |
[15:28:05] | nuonguy: | how do I do that? |
[15:28:43] | iamlindoro_: | look at the group on raw1394, check etc/group to see if those users are in it |
[15:28:44] | nuonguy: | is that what this line in /etc/group does? video:x:491:mythtv,root |
[15:29:35] | nuonguy: | crw-rw-rw- 1 root 0 171, 0 2008-03–18 21:12 /dev/raw1394 |
[15:29:56] | iamlindoro_: | Heh |
[15:30:01] | nuonguy: | group is 0, so this might not be right... |
[15:30:05] | iamlindoro_: | your raw1394 permissions are screwy |
[15:30:24] | iamlindoro_: | no, that is not right (well, 0 should be root, but that's beside the point) |
[15:30:42] | iamlindoro_: | so fix the group ownership in udev and it will probably start to work again |
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[15:31:08] | iamlindoro_: | information on that is in the firewire page on the wiki |
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[15:32:58] | Frosty--: | directhex|bsp, I put "cx88-dvb" in /etc/modules. |
[15:33:11] | Frosty--: | I got 0 1 + 2, 0 and 2 are the 500, 1 is the nova-t |
[15:33:41] | Frosty--: | how do I blacklist a driver on bootup so that I can modprobe it myself in an init script |
[15:34:08] | iamlindoro_: | Frosty--, you should probably ls in your modules directory and you'd know the answer ;) |
[15:34:35] | iamlindoro_: | (in my case that's /etc/modprobe.d) |
[15:35:52] | Frosty--: | aha, as easy as that :) |
[15:35:54] | Frosty--: | thanks |
[15:36:08] | iamlindoro_: | np |
[15:37:06] | Frosty--: | with it blacklisted there, I can still manually do "modprobe dvb_usb_dib0700" |
[15:37:27] | iamlindoro_: | blacklisting just keeps it from loading on startup |
[15:37:41] | Frosty--: | great thats exactly what I need thanks :) |
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[15:38:43] | Respatix: | I dont have a tv capture card yet, but want to be able to access the tv schedules on mythtv via schedules direct. I was told i need to setup a fake or dummy cature card. Can someone explain to me how i do this? |
[15:40:35] | Respatix: | I have checked all the appropriate places online, but am still clueless. If someone can give me a link to a walkthru on this or steer me in the right direction so i can learn on my own that would be great. |
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[15:42:24] | nuonguy: | iamlindoro_: that for the tip – at least now mythtv-setup recognises my connection |
[15:42:32] | iamlindoro_: | np |
[15:42:46] | nuonguy: | but I get only a partial lock when I try to watch tv |
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[15:43:42] | nuonguy: | What does "Signal 100% | (L__) Partial Lock" mean? |
[15:43:59] | iamlindoro_: | That there's no lock, basically |
[15:44:03] | directhex|work: | just rack-mounted the thesla \o/ |
[15:44:30] | iamlindoro_: | nuonguy, again, go back to the firewire wiki-- you need to prime that port, and set to P2P or Broadcast with plugctl as appropriate |
[15:45:21] | iamlindoro_: | That or the program you are attempting to watch is 5C'ed |
[15:45:25] | DustyBin: | not so long ago, i bought a a/v reciever, opened the box up, it had all marks over it like it had been used, turned it on and it made a loud noise, sent it back and got another one. |
[15:45:51] | DustyBin: | today my desk arrived from another place, opened the packaging, marks all over it, put it together and lots of things dont fit properly |
[15:45:55] | DustyBin: | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
[15:46:24] | ** hnitsuj hands DustyBin his sawn-off shotgun ** | |
[15:46:30] | DustyBin: | if one pays £250 for a computer desk you expect it to be half decent |
[15:46:54] | hnitsuj: | depends if it comes from MFI or not :P |
[15:46:54] | DustyBin: | a ikea £10 job would of been of better quality |
[15:47:08] | DustyBin: | i bought it from the twats at digital village |
[15:47:37] | hnitsuj: | www.thetwatsatdigitalvillage.com just redirects me to www.i-saw-you-coming.com |
[15:48:02] | directhex|work: | ikea's perfectly respectable |
[15:48:33] | DustyBin: | some parts of this desk look like its been hand painted to cover marks |
[15:48:38] | directhex|work: | it doesn't have pretensions of being something it isn't |
[15:50:04] | DustyBin: | the keyboard shelf is crooked, it makes a noise like its rubbing on something when it goes in and out |
[15:50:28] | DustyBin: | the extra shelf i bought doesnt fit on the bar, i think its been designed for a pervious model |
[15:51:10] | DustyBin: | should i speak to digital village or quicklok |
[15:51:13] | directhex|work: | worth every penny! |
[15:51:32] | DustyBin: | http://www.quiklok.com/ <-- these are who make the desks |
[15:51:36] | directhex|work: | your contract is with the vendor, not the manufacturer |
[15:51:51] | DustyBin: | http://www.dv247.com/ <--- these are the guys i bought it from |
[15:52:01] | DustyBin: | ok |
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[15:52:25] | DustyBin: | apart from that its a great desk |
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[15:53:24] | DustyBin: | on a good note, the nova-t 500 is still running :D |
[15:53:32] | hnitsuj: | apart from the fact it's completely not fit for the intended purpose, it's great! |
[15:53:53] | hnitsuj: | I got mythtv working just fine, apart from the fact TV doesn't work at all |
[15:53:58] | hnitsuj: | (etc) |
[15:55:15] | directhex|work: | giant graphics card rackmounted. just need a pc to run it now |
[15:55:54] | iamlindoro_: | directhex|work, So what are you guys gonna *do* with it, anyway? |
[15:56:10] | DustyBin: | next time i buy something im going to open it up and turn it on in the shop i buy it from and give it a good inspection while im still there |
[15:56:35] | hnitsuj: | heh try doing that at microdirect. you have to pay for it before they let you see the box. evil bastards |
[15:56:52] | directhex|work: | iamlindoro_, simulate the most advanced inverse boobomatics ever shown to pornkind. you won't be able to tell the difference from real life! |
[15:57:08] | iamlindoro_: | directhex|work, Uncanny valleys indeed! |
[15:57:34] | directhex|work: | iamlindoro_, bump maps and curved surfaces :) |
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[16:00:55] | ** hnitsuj wants to puke ** | |
[16:01:40] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, stick your fingers down your throat. that should help |
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[16:05:58] | Dagmar: | Weird. I'm actually getting a _compile_ failure on kernel 2.6.24.3 |
[16:06:39] | Dagmar: | Ahh... http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/2/26/204 |
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[16:11:02] | rosco: | hi |
[16:13:16] | hnitsuj: | ho |
[16:14:58] | hashbang: | Dagmar: that's the sort of reason I don't use Linus kernels these days. |
[16:15:17] | hashbang: | Dagmar: the old even=stable/odd=devel rule doesn't hold any longer. |
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[16:34:46] | anji: | does anyone know how I might get CI/CAM encryption (Conax) working with DVB-T? |
[16:35:02] | anji: | specifically, what hardware/software I need |
[16:35:40] | hnitsuj: | you need a DVB_T tuner with a CI module slot – and a CAM to plug into the CI slot :) |
[16:36:03] | hnitsuj: | no software decripplement can be talked about in this channel |
[16:36:18] | anji: | that's okay, I have a smartcard (legal :P) |
[16:36:55] | anji: | and I already have a working DVB-T tuner setup .. but no CI/CAM .. so can this work? http://www.terratec.net/en/products/Cinergy_CI_USB_2296.html |
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[16:37:15] | iamlindoro_: | I don't think any of the USB Cis work |
[16:37:18] | iamlindoro_: | er CI |
[16:37:20] | anji: | damn |
[16:37:29] | hnitsuj: | you need a proper CI & CAM |
[16:37:34] | hnitsuj: | none of that software rubbish |
[16:37:34] | anji: | because my MythTV box only has USB |
[16:38:09] | hnitsuj: | bad choice for a mythtv box then eh |
[16:38:40] | anji: | but a USB tuner with CI onboard is going to work? |
[16:38:55] | hnitsuj: | if such a thing exists |
[16:39:02] | iamlindoro_: | only if it's supported in v4l-dvb |
[16:39:07] | anji: | the Anysee E30 has it |
[16:39:29] | iamlindoro_: | Not supported |
[16:39:44] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB_Devices |
[16:39:44] | anji: | but okay .. so PCI CI addons will work, USB CI addons won't |
[16:39:59] | hnitsuj: | CI addons are just addons for the tuner card |
[16:40:25] | iamlindoro_: | No, as hnitsuj and I said, if it's an integrated tuner/CI it'll work *if* it has driver support |
[16:40:38] | anji: | alright, I get it |
[16:40:53] | hnitsuj: | time to get PCI :) |
[16:41:07] | anji: | so the only currently supported hardware would be a supported PCI tuner with an addon |
[16:41:26] | hnitsuj: | yup |
[16:41:51] | hnitsuj: | funny but I'd never even heard of 'Anysee' til now |
[16:41:53] | iamlindoro_: | Sheesh, there really are an unreal number of DVB-T cards |
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[16:42:06] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro_: yeah and about three with CI capability |
[16:42:27] | anji: | hnitsuj: KPN (dutch DVB-T broadcaster) sells overpriced Anysee E30's on their site |
[16:42:54] | hnitsuj: | their name doesn't have a ring to it, like say.. Hauppauge |
[16:43:03] | anji: | but they're supposed to be pretty bad, even in Windows .. so not an option |
[16:43:08] | hnitsuj: | wouldn't touch them with your money! :P |
[16:43:29] | iamlindoro_: | AnySee = NEC |
[16:43:30] | iamlindoro_: | har har |
[16:44:00] | iamlindoro_: | Like the chinese knockoff brand Kenn Sing tonn |
[16:44:04] | hnitsuj: | even so, NEC are hardly synonymous with 'quality products for PC' |
[16:44:11] | anji: | the Terratec Cinergy CI would be perfect for many users like me .. unfortunately the V4L folks told me there are no specs |
[16:45:02] | iamlindoro_: | There are no specifications for *lots* of cards that end up with support-- I expect they told you something that would make more sense to us ;) |
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[16:59:16] | Rambo3: | esselam aleikum |
[17:00:07] | Frosty-: | got both cards work, a Nova-T 500 and a Nova-T, the 500 has on-board signal amplifier? Because it gets double the signal strength |
[17:00:43] | Frosty-: | I have force_lna_activation set to 1 to enable it, no such option for module cx88-dvb :( |
[17:00:53] | iamlindoro_: | Frosty-, Signal strength values are per-driver and vary wildly-- they're pretty useless, really |
[17:01:02] | Frosty-: | oh right okay |
[17:01:08] | Frosty-: | so as long as it works I shouldn't be bothered :) |
[17:01:17] | iamlindoro_: | SNR is more of a help |
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[17:02:54] | Frosty-: | can I ge tthe interbal player to tell me the snr |
[17:02:57] | Frosty-: | -b+n |
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[17:06:11] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/323778#323778 |
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[17:12:16] | blackest: | iamlindoro do you think its possible to create a program which automatically forms adhoc networks and transfers files ? |
[17:12:36] | iamlindoro_: | Probably possible... sounds scary though |
[17:12:47] | blackest: | why scary |
[17:13:03] | iamlindoro_: | because of the massive massive security implications thereof? |
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[17:13:43] | iamlindoro_: | http://compnetworking.about.com/od/wirelessfa . . . mitation.htm |
[17:13:54] | blackest: | if it was limited to two directorys an out bound and an inbound directory it could be pretty safe |
[17:14:14] | iamlindoro_: | blackest, Hey, do what you like-- *why*, though? |
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[17:15:12] | iamlindoro_: | I assure you that automating some sort of ad-hoc wireless connection no matter *how* you try to limit access is a *bad* idea, though, but it's not my job to save you from yourself |
[17:16:56] | blackest: | well suppose you were on a college campus for example bunch of wireless laptops around you, you could pick a bunch of files to share and the laptops could transfer them automatically and totally anonymously |
[17:17:44] | iamlindoro_: | blackest, I can't imagine how you think it would be totally anonymous |
[17:18:26] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, again, I'm at my real job now and they expect me to work for them, so it's not my job to save you from you :) But I strongly suggest you read up on it a bit |
[17:19:08] | blackest: | well the ips would be picked at random theres no central router you could even randomise the mac address |
[17:19:36] | AndyCap: | and what good would come of this? |
[17:20:35] | blackest: | well it'd be like sneaker net but without having to do much at all |
[17:20:46] | AndyCap: | more like sneakynet. :> |
[17:21:29] | blackest: | well it'd be a localised p2p |
[17:21:30] | AndyCap: | though I seem to recall kde and gnome having some kind of desktop file sharing function |
[17:21:51] | AndyCap: | as for the networking olpc and some other project have been looking at mesh networking |
[17:22:13] | AndyCap: | what's that routing thing again? olsrd |
[17:22:51] | blackest: | I was just looking at something called jomp which might form the basis of this |
[17:23:05] | blackest: | the source is bsd |
[17:23:43] | blackest: | the zune does something similar i think |
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[17:24:53] | blackest: | chances are you may well get a load of junk your not really interested in along with some gems |
[17:31:02] | blackest: | olsrd looks interesting |
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[17:31:29] | MrUnagi: | tv on linux has the least support via irc channels ever :D |
[17:32:48] | squidly: | MrUnagi: why do you say that? |
[17:33:13] | iamlindoro_: | squidly, Because he owns some half-supported expresscard tuner that he's been complaining about for two months |
[17:33:50] | MrUnagi: | is scan suppose to output channels.conf?. |
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[17:34:18] | squidly: | anyone have a recomendation for a good mediacenter case for a diskless frontend (with wireless) |
[17:34:21] | squidly: | iamlindoro_: ahh okies |
[17:34:22] | MrUnagi: | more or less when i try to scan as the wiki suggests i get ERROR: cannot open '/usr/share/dvb-apps/atsc/us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB': 2 No such file or directory and ERROR: initial tuning failed |
[17:36:04] | iamlindoro_: | "locate us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB" |
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[17:37:33] | MrUnagi: | /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/atsc/us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB |
[17:37:45] | squidly: | MrUnagi: man ln |
[17:37:49] | squidly: | look for -s |
[17:37:51] | iamlindoro_: | Well there's your answer then |
[17:37:59] | iamlindoro_: | squidly, he doesn't even have to do that |
[17:38:08] | iamlindoro_: | scan /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/atsc/us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB |
[17:38:12] | squidly: | iamlindoro_: true |
[17:38:35] | squidly: | iamlindoro_: that's in the myth config's right? |
[17:38:47] | iamlindoro_: | squidly, He's not even using anything myth related |
[17:38:49] | psycodad: | good evening, is there some interest in a gui telnet rc client for myth ? I hacked one up the other day for my GF and I am wondering if it would be worth polishing it and putting it on a website somewhere for other people. I just have no clue if anybody except me uses the telnet interface ;-) |
[17:39:03] | squidly: | iamlindoro_: really? what is he using? |
[17:39:05] | iamlindoro_: | squidly, It really ought not to be in this channel at all, but if I suggest that we'll just spend 20 minutes being butt hurt |
[17:39:15] | iamlindoro_: | squidly, the scan util from dvb-utils |
[17:39:43] | squidly: | iamlindoro_: ahh okies. Considering I dont have dvb-utils that would expline why I dont have it :D |
[17:39:55] | iamlindoro_: | squidly, This is what happens when people cut and paste and fail the "engage the brain" step |
[17:39:57] | iamlindoro_: | squidly, ;) |
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[17:40:17] | MrUnagi: | im getting a bunch of tuning failed messages and the light isnt coming on on the tuner.......is there a modprobe that needs to happen first? |
[17:40:21] | squidly: | iamlindoro_: lol. yea that happens quite a bit. I like to call it M$ syndrome or Pebkac errors |
[17:40:54] | iamlindoro_: | MrUnagi, For help with an experimental driver/tuner you *must* seek help in #linuxtv |
[17:41:13] | MrUnagi: | ok will do...i wasnt getting an answer so i thought perhaps someone here might know |
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[17:41:33] | squidly: | MrUnagi: did you ask. wait 2 seconds then come here? |
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[17:41:50] | MrUnagi: | nope |
[17:42:02] | squidly: | MrUnagi: I was making a bad joke. |
[17:42:12] | MrUnagi: | thats ok :D |
[17:42:26] | MrUnagi: | its a learning experience D: |
[17:43:00] | squidly: | MrUnagi: bleading edge hurts ;) |
[17:43:20] | MrUnagi: | does anyone know when more support for the cx2885 driver is suppose to take place? |
[17:44:01] | iamlindoro_: | only whomever is writing the driver would know that, and it's a 95% certainty that the answer is "when I get around to it." |
[17:44:01] | squidly: | MrUnagi: is the driver open source? |
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[17:44:43] | squidly: | MrUnagi: if its open source then you can add more support to it. That or pay someone to add more support, or ask the developer in which case see iamlindoro_'s responce |
[17:45:05] | squidly: | though I'm more willing to say it will be "when I get around to it" 99% of the time |
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[17:55:31] | iamlindoro_: | Woo hoo!! New AnyDVD HD defeats BD+! |
[17:55:48] | Fnc-1: | is the avermedia card supported in myth? |
[17:55:55] | iamlindoro_: | Fnc-1, Which one? |
[17:55:58] | Fnc-1: | if so this seems like a cheap deal if anyones looking for one |
[17:55:59] | Fnc-1: | http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?nm . . . C-C8Junction |
[17:56:18] | Fnc-1: | 59 bux ar.. for ATSC/NTSC/QAM |
[17:56:23] | iamlindoro_: | check linuxtv.org wiki to know |
[17:57:00] | iamlindoro_: | PS, the answer is no ;) |
[17:57:58] | Fnc-1: | darn.. thought maybe someone could use it... seemed like a good deal... im up to 3 hd tuners now... so im good |
[17:59:22] | iamlindoro_: | Fnc-1, The Kworld 115 is supported, though, and you can get it for $10ish more, which isn't too bad |
[17:59:39] | iamlindoro_: | That's one of the cheaper options that works well right now |
[18:00:12] | Fnc-1: | wow.. been a while since ive bought a hd card... 10 bux is way good |
[18:00:25] | iamlindoro_: | Fnc-1, $10 *more* than the other card-- $69 |
[18:00:31] | Fnc-1: | oh |
[18:00:34] | Fnc-1: | got cha. |
[18:00:48] | Fnc-1: | im a fan of the hdhomerun.. took me a while to buy one.. but i like it |
[18:01:29] | Frosty-: | is 4.8sb SNR bad? |
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[18:03:31] | iamlindoro_: | 4.8 sounds like a signal strength, not an SNR |
[18:04:15] | Frosty-: | it says S/R |
[18:04:22] | Frosty-: | or S/N |
[18:04:24] | Frosty-: | let me check |
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[18:05:07] | iamlindoro_: | No, it probably is, my bad... 4.8 sounds lowish |
[18:05:35] | iamlindoro_: | AFAICT the range of SNR is going to vary per-card too |
[18:06:06] | iamlindoro_: | nxt2002, for example, ranges from 0 to 32db |
[18:09:21] | iamlindoro_: | regardless, are you getting a picture? with no drop outs? Then relax and stop overthinking. |
[18:11:36] | Frosty-: | its true, its true, im all over it like a new toy |
[18:12:03] | Frosty-: | the nova-t 500 doesnt report snr to the internal player but the mova-t does, so I'm like .. hmm, can I improve this? :) |
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[18:12:21] | jams: | GreyFoxx- ping, got another patch for the screenshot jump point. |
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[18:15:02] | ** jams opens a ticket ** | |
[18:19:41] | MrUnagi: | i would hate to have to buy a new tuner just to watch tv in linux lol |
[18:19:56] | MrUnagi: | i suppose usb tuners are somewhat cheap |
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[18:26:50] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, BD+ Cracked ;) |
[18:27:52] | MrUnagi: | lol tuning failed tuning failed tuning failed |
[18:28:12] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, cracked as in "can be done via dodgy key guessing and abusing memory holes in windows apps" or cracked as in "libdvdcss2"? |
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[18:28:44] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, More the latter than the former, but only people w/ working ripper are SlySoft so far |
[18:29:07] | iamlindoro_: | ie Windows-only but between you and me, that's what my little headless windows box is there for |
[18:29:29] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, slysoft got all dem hax |
[18:30:20] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, It really *is* a sweet little ripper, and they just get dumped in to MythVideo anyway, so I'm perfectly happy with it |
[18:30:34] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, i wonder if they've ever considered libanydvd |
[18:31:08] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, Between that and the fact that all the HD audio codecs will be working in ffmpeg/mplayer SVN trunk by the end of the summer, *plus* the TS demuxer finally got fixed in ffmpeg, things are looking bright indeed |
[18:31:39] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, quick! schedule an ffmpeg sync in myth! |
[18:32:27] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, hehe. I guess the longer they wait the more of those features will be implemented, so no harm there |
[18:35:40] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, we have the us government to thank, of course |
[18:37:38] | iamlindoro_: | I meant in ffmepg |
[18:37:40] | iamlindoro_: | ffmpeg |
[18:37:49] | directhex: | i meant anydvd |
[18:38:02] | directhex: | officially permitted thanks to the us government! |
[18:38:02] | iamlindoro_: | what do you mean? |
[18:38:04] | iamlindoro_: | ahhh |
[18:38:30] | directhex: | pirating us-made movies is specifically permitted in antigua |
[18:38:51] | iamlindoro_: | I haven't bought a BR movie in a month or two-- there's just nothing coming out that I care to have |
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[18:39:19] | AndyCap: | BR on BR. |
[18:39:42] | directhex: | can you get the star wars movies in hd yet? i have a desie to own them, thanks to my piracy of kotor |
[18:39:47] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, Nope |
[18:39:52] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, nor indiana jones |
[18:39:58] | iamlindoro_: | nor any other lucasarts, AFAIK |
[18:40:02] | iamlindoro_: | er lucasfilm |
[18:40:16] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, Classic George lucas being a bitch |
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[18:42:15] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, the divas all do it. see also: beatles on itunes |
[18:43:34] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, yup... irritating because, and we're getting into murky water here, I *know* HBO HD has been playing the Star Wars movies, which are almost certainly poor re-telecines, but if they've been in HD on TV, I'm sure they're floating around out there-- It's like *encouraging* piracy by providing no alternative |
[18:43:58] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, plenty of companies encourage piracy |
[18:44:17] | directhex: | see my previous bile towards square & their determination to prevent me from giving them money for chrono trigger |
[18:44:26] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
[18:44:35] | iamlindoro_: | No re-do in Michigan! Obama FTW! |
[18:45:28] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, rekon clinton would win a re-do? |
[18:46:05] | iamlindoro_: | Not in MI. Probably in Florida, but in the MI vote, Obama wasn't on the *ballot* and 40% of the vote was won by "uncommitted." |
[18:46:05] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, is there any coverage of his self-written race speech in the yank mainstream media, out of curiosity? |
[18:46:25] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, Yes, largely polarized but I'd say it's predominantly positive. I thought it was brilliant |
[18:47:53] | directhex: | i ought to read it |
[18:48:04] | iamlindoro_: | There's a transcript on CNN.com somewhere |
[18:48:04] | directhex: | it was on the cover of the telegraph, but i've better things to do than read that rag |
[18:48:54] | anji: | The Daily Show had nice coverage of it |
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[18:49:06] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/18/obama. . . . t/index.html |
[18:49:13] | directhex: | oh deary me @ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xm . . . nfive119.xml :| |
[18:49:16] | directhex: | start 'em young |
[18:49:31] | sshirley: | Who lives in New England, has Cox cable, and has HD? |
[18:50:24] | sshirley: | Who here, rather |
[18:51:23] | iamlindoro_: | *circket* |
[18:51:26] | iamlindoro_: | cricket, rather |
[18:51:47] | iamlindoro_: | sshirley, $5 says your question could be answered by someone who doesn't meet those criteria |
[18:51:56] | sshirley: | lol |
[18:52:46] | PatrickDK: | is mythfilldatabase suppost to be cron'ed? |
[18:52:52] | iamlindoro_: | PatrickDK, No |
[18:52:57] | iamlindoro_: | the backend will run it itself |
[18:53:00] | PatrickDK: | strange, it never runs |
[18:53:06] | PatrickDK: | except when I do it manually |
[18:53:26] | PatrickDK: | and I know both of my frontends say it's suppost to run |
[18:53:27] | iamlindoro_: | PatrickDK, There *used* to be a tickbox for "allow mythbackend to run mythfilldatabase" |
[18:53:28] | sshirley: | Ok, well I need to know what kind of outputs the digital cable box uses from Cox Communications. Basically, I want to get a HDHomeRun. A friend of mine told me that the output on the digital cable box has only an HDMI output (which I don't think is the case). How does one use a digital cable box and hdhomerun? |
[18:53:40] | iamlindoro_: | sshirley, You don't |
[18:54:13] | iamlindoro_: | sshirley, The HDHomeRun (and all other QAM tuners) will only tune unencrypted channels, and are used straight out of the wall |
[18:54:37] | iamlindoro_: | you *cannot* use the STB to somehow "decrypt" your channels for digital reception afterwards |
[18:54:58] | sshirley: | As far as I know, Cox compresses or encrypts it's HD signals. Could that be true? |
[18:55:05] | iamlindoro_: | sshirley, Yes |
[18:55:22] | iamlindoro_: | It very likely *is* true |
[18:55:38] | iamlindoro_: | And it's also likely that the only channels you will ever be able to tune with the HDHomeRun are locals/network TV |
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[18:58:44] | iamlindoro_: | sshirley, Do you understand? You cannot use your Set Top Box and tune HD w/ the HDHomeRun or *any* digital tuner further on in the chain |
[18:58:44] | ** jams orders more scooba juice ** | |
[18:59:06] | iamlindoro_: | And the channels that most companies leave unencrypted at Network television and locals, period. So that will be about all you will be able to get with the HDHR |
[18:59:46] | iamlindoro_: | jams, I found some other not-official-but-still-Clorox-and-still-blue cleaner in the store that works perfectly in big bottles |
[18:59:51] | sshirley: | So the DVR from Cox has decrpytion abilities? |
[19:01:57] | iamlindoro_: | sshirley, The DVR from any company just tacks a hard drive on to their Set-Top-Box, more or less-- they don't have any particular "decryption ability" that any other normal STB lacks |
[19:02:24] | jams: | iamlindoro- whats it's called? |
[19:02:32] | jams: | i have yet to see anything like that |
[19:02:49] | iamlindoro_: | jams, Umm... the Clorox blue-floorwash-stuff in the semi-transparent bottle thingie? |
[19:02:51] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
[19:02:58] | jams: | heh |
[19:03:17] | jams: | oh well i have 18 bottles on the way, that just last a while |
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[19:03:35] | iamlindoro_: | jams, http://www.clorox.com/products/overview.php?prod_id=cdfc |
[19:04:53] | jams: | that certainly looks like it |
[19:05:03] | jams: | probably the same stuff |
[19:05:16] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, that was my conclusion, the scooba certainly never complained |
[19:05:41] | jams: | the forums never mentioned it |
[19:06:06] | jams: | only thing mentioned there is white vinagar and home made stuff |
[19:06:38] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, I read that-- I read about how if it doesn't like the stuff you use, it won't run, but the big-bottle Clorox stuff went without a hitch |
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[19:07:04] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro_: but your scooba has no mouth and it wants to scream |
[19:07:14] | iamlindoro_: | Ah Harlan Ellison |
[19:07:24] | jams: | good to know, i will try it when these 18 bottles are almost gone. |
[19:07:30] | iamlindoro_: | It'll take what I give it and clean or I'll give it something to scream about |
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[19:20:48] | bsdfox__: | my scooba is a piece of shit |
[19:21:19] | iamlindoro_: | bsdfox__, too bad, the robot version is *way* more useful |
[19:21:20] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
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[19:21:31] | iamlindoro_: | Not to mention sanitary |
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[19:26:56] | Yahooadam: | Hey, is the Nova-T 500 still the best dual DVB-T tuner? |
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[20:03:55] | sshirley: | iamlindoro: So that I understand....I should simply plug the cable (carrying the HD signal) directly from the wall into the HDHomeRun and forget about the set-top box? |
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[20:06:31] | Anduin: | sshirley: Yes, that would allow you to receive whatever clear QAM is on the line (their site may have a list for your area, it may not be accurate) |
[20:07:07] | iamlindoro_: | ^^^ yarp |
[20:08:19] | sshirley: | The word 'clear' freaks me out. What does that mean exactly? |
[20:08:24] | iamlindoro_: | and trying to go from Wall->STB->HDHomeRun will make it not work at all, and, not wanting to be the bearer of bad news, but very likely all the channels you will get will be Network TV and locals |
[20:08:34] | iamlindoro_: | clear = anything unencrypted = Usually Network and Locals only |
[20:09:00] | iamlindoro_: | ie almost certainly no Discovery HD, Comedy Central, HBO, etc., etc. |
[20:11:33] | sshirley: | So even if I am paying for those channels, I cannot view or record them? |
[20:11:39] | iamlindoro_: | Correct |
[20:11:40] | sshirley: | HBO, etc |
[20:11:43] | sshirley: | WTF? |
[20:12:00] | kslater: | the HD recording story is a sad story in general |
[20:12:11] | iamlindoro_: | This is why we're always bemoaning the state of digital recording/encryption, etc |
[20:12:24] | sshirley: | What does the set-top box do? Decrypt? |
[20:12:32] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
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[20:12:48] | kslater: | where's that Hauppauge device when you need it.. |
[20:12:56] | sshirley: | What kind of outputs does the set-top usually have? |
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[20:13:16] | iamlindoro_: | sshirley, HDMI, Component, composite, S-Video, coaxial |
[20:13:32] | kslater: | the last 2 don't count for HD though |
[20:13:40] | iamlindoro_: | last three, actually |
[20:13:51] | sshirley: | But the output is that channel only, right? I would still have to tune with the cable remote (as opposed to the myth remote) |
[20:13:55] | kslater: | eh, component can do 1080i |
[20:14:06] | iamlindoro_: | yes, but composite cannot |
[20:14:13] | kslater: | doh |
[20:14:19] | iamlindoro_: | sshirley, It's that channel only and *not QAM*, ie not digitally tunable |
[20:14:25] | ** kslater releases he's been staring at monitors too long ** | |
[20:14:48] | sshirley: | WTF? |
[20:16:05] | iamlindoro_: | sshirley, When you hear people talk about Cable companies and why we hate them, *this is why* |
[20:16:23] | kslater: | same is true for DTV and Dish by the way |
[20:16:31] | kslater: | in the US of course |
[20:16:41] | sshirley: | Wow |
[20:16:46] | sshirley: | That REALLY sucks |
[20:16:59] | sshirley: | So I am better of staying with my SD for now |
[20:17:03] | kslater: | some cable STB's will provide firewire ports and once in a while, that is more open. |
[20:17:09] | iamlindoro_: | ^^ yup |
[20:17:35] | iamlindoro_: | I get 95% of everything via firewire :) That said, I hate to say it, but Cox is known for closing the crap out of firewire |
[20:17:42] | sshirley: | So none of the Hauppauge cards can act as the decoder/decrypter? |
[20:17:45] | iamlindoro_: | No |
[20:17:59] | sshirley: | How do you do that? |
[20:18:04] | sshirley: | (95%) |
[20:18:05] | iamlindoro_: | sshirley, do what? |
[20:18:14] | tyce_: | can you even find dvr boxes with firewire out (and on) any more? |
[20:18:34] | tyce_: | now that they aren't legally bound to provide them |
[20:18:35] | iamlindoro_: | tyce_, yes, it's an FCC mandate that the cable co give you a box w/ firewire if you ask for it |
[20:18:43] | iamlindoro_: | tyce_, You're mistaken, they are still required |
[20:18:48] | kslater: | this is supposedly on the way -> http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/11/hauppaug . . . onent-input/ |
[20:18:57] | tyce_: | oh really? nice, I thought that expired a year or so back... nice. |
[20:18:57] | kslater: | who knows if it'll work with Linux. |
[20:19:19] | iamlindoro_: | ^^ kslater is correct, that is going to solve all these problems... and FYI i hear there will be linux drivers on release ;) |
[20:19:46] | kslater: | mondo-cool. I just wish the sucker would get here already. |
[20:19:58] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, it's gonna be amazing |
[20:21:41] | iamlindoro_: | I wanna switch to Dish when we can get our hands on them, but I can only aim at two of their birds from the deck of my condo-- not sure how possible it'll be to make it work |
[20:21:52] | kslater: | don't forget the (frickin') laser waffle maker too |
[20:21:56] | iamlindoro_: | hehe |
[20:22:22] | kslater: | I just updated my DTV dish to the latest version |
[20:22:24] | iamlindoro_: | btw, for anyone interested in Satellite aiming, *this* site rules as a google maps mashup |
[20:22:25] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Installation/Satell . . . lculator.htm |
[20:22:56] | kslater: | I pick up at least 4 birds with 1 dish |
[20:23:14] | iamlindoro_: | nice. I have an extremely poor angle, I face southwest and am on the west coast |
[20:23:41] | iamlindoro_: | I can aim at 129deg and sort of at 119deg, but can't see 109 at all |
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[20:23:55] | kslater: | the installer had to get creative since south for me is at the big, tree covered hill behind the house |
[20:24:11] | iamlindoro_: | kslater, heh, what'd he do? |
[20:24:25] | iamlindoro_: | a lot of installers will just look, spit, and go, "narp, can't do it." |
[20:24:26] | kslater: | he just worked at it until he found a gap |
[20:24:41] | kslater: | spent a lot of time that night |
[20:25:02] | kslater: | then he had to fish the cable down my conduit run from the attic to the basement |
[20:25:07] | kslater: | which was also a chore |
[20:25:29] | ** kslater shoulda put in bigger conduit ** | |
[20:25:36] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, I can also aim at the totally-useless echostar 1 and 2, apparently |
[20:25:56] | iamlindoro_: | Might be worth throwing the setup together to see if I get anything FTA though |
[20:25:58] | AndyCap: | 30W to 177W? who cares about that. :) |
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[20:27:00] | iamlindoro_: | It appears I can aim at the birds with 1) HD content and 2) International content... wonder if I can convince the installer just to set me up with those if I pay for the other stuff too |
[20:27:20] | iamlindoro_: | i'd actually love to get one of the international sports packages |
[20:27:45] | Dibblah: | iamlindoro_: Secondary dish with a rotatey thing. |
[20:27:52] | Dibblah: | And no, I can't remember the name. |
[20:28:04] | iamlindoro_: | Dibblah, yeah, but I don't have the angle from my condo |
[20:28:13] | iamlindoro_: | can't aim 'em so a second dish is no help |
[20:28:18] | iamlindoro_: | rotor, btw |
[20:29:21] | Dibblah: | Thanks! |
[20:29:30] | iamlindoro_: | Hehe, my *garage floor* has the perfect angle, actually, but that might anger the neighbors |
[20:29:35] | Dibblah: | Big sturdy pole. |
[20:30:06] | Dibblah: | If your garage floor does, ...? |
[20:30:34] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, but that means no place to put the car and leaving the garage door open 24/7 |
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[20:32:29] | Dibblah: | What about the garage roof? |
[20:32:37] | iamlindoro_: | It's not my property, above my garage is the next condo |
[20:32:55] | Dibblah: | Oh, what a lovely layout. |
[20:32:59] | iamlindoro_: | yup |
[20:33:12] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro_: put this on the car? http://www.kandmdistributing.com/images/1insidemotosat1.jpg |
[20:33:15] | iamlindoro_: | Not unusual, though, pretty standard condo stuff |
[20:33:36] | iamlindoro_: | Ooooh, i'll two of the big 'uns! |
[20:33:39] | iamlindoro_: | er i'll take |
[20:34:08] | iamlindoro_: | I've even thought of trying to sneak the dish into the bushes somewhere but haven't come up with an effective way to not get caught ;) |
[20:35:18] | AndyCap: | ah, the fake rock |
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[20:36:09] | kslater: | iamlindoro_: are you saying your condo assoc is prohibiting you from getting a clear shot? |
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[20:36:55] | iamlindoro_: | kslater, the regulations say that they can't prevent you from getting a clear shot on your property, but the same regulation allows them to deny you in common areas |
[20:38:18] | AndyCap: | http://www.dish-rock.com/ |
[20:38:32] | kslater: | ah |
[20:38:41] | kslater: | so it was common property you were talking about |
[20:39:07] | AndyCap: | "With the universal one size fits all" Haha. 25" is not one size fits all |
[20:39:11] | kslater: | tell them you want to erect a small tower.. or you could put it in some inconspicuous common area |
[20:39:14] | iamlindoro_: | kslater, In the area I own I can point two birds, maybe three... I could get all the birds frmo a common area, but that won't fly |
[20:39:29] | iamlindoro_: | kslater, Heh |
[20:39:40] | fryfrog: | haha, that is awesome :) |
[20:39:45] | ** directhex votes the driver for the hd pvr be named laserwaffle.ko ** | |
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[20:41:19] | AndyCap: | directhex: hehe. |
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[20:44:36] | iamlindoro_: | it'd be just as descriptive as any number of other .ko's |
[20:45:45] | AndyCap: | Now if we can just get laserwaffle on the die in the next generation |
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[20:45:47] | iamlindoro_: | AndyCap, I'd be satisfied with getting my hands on *this* generation :) |
[20:46:03] | AndyCap: | http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/fulladder.html |
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[21:26:35] | a1fa: | whats the maximum lenght of usb cable?> |
[21:26:39] | a1fa: | 30 ft? |
[21:29:59] | territory: | anybody kno how to add firewire devices after update? |
[21:30:06] | territory: | no port/node options now |
[21:30:09] | territory: | theres GUID now |
[21:30:16] | territory: | but no idea how to add GUID data to this |
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[21:42:18] | fryfrog: | territory: use ummm |
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[21:42:24] | fryfrog: | territory: plugreport |
[21:42:35] | fryfrog: | or just watch dmesg while you plug/unplug your fw device |
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[22:07:16] | iamlindoro__: | territory: If there is a firewire box on the bus that mythtv can see and has proper permissions to, GUID is populated |
[22:07:33] | iamlindoro__: | if GUID is empty in mythtv-setup, then the permissions to /dev/raw1394 are wrong |
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[22:08:18] | sentinel23: | does mythweb _need_ to be a simlink to /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb or can it exist happily by itself in /var/www/mythweb ? |
[22:08:37] | iamlindoro__: | can exist fine in your web dir |
[22:08:42] | sentinel23: | excellent |
[22:08:44] | sentinel23: | thx |
[22:08:47] | iamlindoro__: | np |
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[22:13:26] | rushfan: | Hey, MythTV claims 'all available inputs are being used' but there is certainly nothing being recorded |
[22:14:21] | iamlindoro__: | check your backend logs, your cards are set up wrong (my guess would be you have multiple tuners and didn't set up udev rules for them so when you last rebooted they renumbered themselves) |
[22:14:31] | neb_: | rushfan: hm, what tuner? |
[22:14:44] | rushfan: | neb_: a pvr-150 |
[22:14:56] | rushfan: | I also have an HDHomeRun |
[22:16:47] | rushfan: | iamlindoro__: theres nothing in the backendlog about it and I havent rebooted either |
[22:17:01] | rushfan: | 18:17:00 up 7 days, 10:42, 3 users, load average: 1.92, 1.69, 1.33 |
[22:18:31] | iamlindoro__: | are we back to that thing again where you have a five line backend log? |
[22:18:49] | rushfan: | iamlindoro__: no but I am getting the same error |
[22:18:53] | rushfan: | '2008-03–19 18:18:24.796 RingBuf(/video/1060_20080319181817.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/video/1060_20080319181817.mpg'.' from the frontend |
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[22:18:58] | rushfan: | let me run the backend from the console again |
[22:19:04] | iamlindoro__: | anyway,check info senter to see what it thinks the tuner is doing. Failing that check mythtv-setup, and I presume you've already tried restarting the backend |
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[22:19:52] | iamlindoro__: | center, that is |
[22:19:54] | rushfan: | Tuner Status claims all 3 tuners are not recording |
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[22:21:14] | rushfan: | http://pastebin.ca/949615 --> from running mythbackend at console |
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[22:22:21] | directhex: | badger |
[22:22:31] | iamlindoro__: | pastebin.ca, as usual, is on it's knees |
[22:22:37] | iamlindoro__: | er its |
[22:22:46] | iamlindoro__: | sucking balls |
[22:22:55] | rushfan: | Not loading? |
[22:22:58] | iamlindoro__: | nope |
[22:23:06] | iamlindoro__: | I think god wants me to watch TV instead |
[22:23:10] | iamlindoro__: | It's a sign |
[22:23:16] | rushfan: | http://monoport.com/8032 |
[22:23:28] | rushfan: | He wants you to read it at monoport first so I can watch tv lol |
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[22:23:49] | iamlindoro__: | well there you go, now you have an error message to Google |
[22:24:01] | rushfan: | Which one? |
[22:24:06] | iamlindoro__: | ivtv |
[22:24:07] | rushfan: | I see a-lo tot of error messages |
[22:24:11] | ** directhex thinks monoport is meant to be for c#, not mythtv error messages ** | |
[22:24:16] | rushfan: | MPEGRec(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding |
[22:24:31] | rushfan: | that one? |
[22:24:35] | iamlindoro__: | yup |
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[22:35:45] | iamlindoro__: | sounds like he's been upgradifyin' again |
[22:36:19] | neb_: | heh |
[22:36:32] | neb_: | run in a situation where vlc skips part of recordings |
[22:36:52] | neb_: | seems to play fine on myth tho |
[22:36:55] | ** neb_ fiddles ** | |
[22:37:17] | ** iamlindoro__ makes note of the first time something has played better in myth than an external player. :) ** | |
[22:37:54] | neb_: | :p |
[22:38:08] | neb_: | i just wanna watch my recordings whilst travelling to work :( |
[22:45:05] | Frosty-: | a while ago one of you guys gave me your mplayer commandline which included a lavdopts option with threads=4 and some other things, I don tsuppose that person is here again are they? :o |
[22:45:36] | directhex: | threads=4 is enough for anybody |
[22:45:49] | Frosty-: | I had the odd skip :o |
[22:45:53] | directhex: | really. no quad core chip should struggle on even the most manly h264 files |
[22:46:58] | Frosty-: | may of just been the rip, or network lag |
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[22:52:28] | iamlindoro__: | Frosty-: It was me, and directhex is right, if it slows down even with threads=*2* then it's something not-processor |
[22:52:39] | directhex: | i blame thetans |
[22:52:58] | iamlindoro__: | Gotta get to a higher OT, I guess |
[22:54:29] | ** iamlindoro__ fiddles with his dish mast ** | |
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[23:03:33] | orko: | hi. Is here anybody using multirec in germany? |
[23:10:00] | orko: | ok. other question: does anybody use the wintv nova 500 |
[23:10:02] | orko: | ? |
[23:10:13] | neb_: | yes |
[23:10:24] | Frosty-: | oh here we go lol |
[23:11:26] | orko: | I am thinking about using it with multirec, but i only have a via epia sp13000 board. i am concerned about performance. |
[23:11:39] | orko: | right now i use pvr350 with hardware encode/decoder. |
[23:11:54] | orko: | is a hardware encoder needed for dvb? |
[23:12:02] | neb_: | Frosty-: did you try ubuntu? |
[23:12:03] | neb_: | :p |
[23:12:33] | Frosty-: | neb are you from the uk? |
[23:12:38] | neb_: | yeah |
[23:12:49] | Frosty-: | which county? |
[23:12:57] | neb_: | london |
[23:13:08] | neb_: | or well, just outside |
[23:14:58] | neb_: | why? |
[23:16:19] | Frosty-: | your nova-t 500 is working fine right? |
[23:16:50] | Frosty-: | I was gonna make an excuse for a bike ride and lend you mine :) swap it out for a week and see if it disconnects, maybe its a hardware fault |
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[23:17:35] | neb_: | Frosty-: i had issues |
[23:17:42] | neb_: | upgraded to .21 – all sorted |
[23:18:53] | neb_: | specifically, issues were ... when trying to watch live tv.. it couldn't 'lock' to a channel |
[23:19:02] | neb_: | so therefore recordings failed |
[23:19:20] | ChrisSmol: | hi. i've been pulling my hair out today, and need some help with my mythtv setup. i'm running knoppmyth. everything seemed to be working when i had the computer in one part of the house. i shut it down, moved it upstairs, and then when i turned it back on, i couldn't get video on any channels. i've steadily been going downhill from there. |
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[23:34:03] | anenigma_: | i think, 1.2TB for myth recordings is overdoing it. going by current rates, I'll have tv from the past 12 weeks recorded. |
[23:36:24] | Frosty-: | 250gb is enough for me :) |
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[23:39:55] | neb_: | yeah |
[23:40:14] | neb_: | i've got a 750G drive and no where near filling it |
[23:50:16] | jamesd: | neb_, this is TV you have to lower your standards a bit.. and then the space will disapear |
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