Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, March 16th, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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Zombie:

Uhm, Schedules Direct is not Free?

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Zombie:

I thought it was free,.

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Anduin:

Just nearly

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symptom:

Hello, Im new to myth and I was looking to use an old celeron 1ghz box to run myth. Is this a bad idea? Is there any specific hardware specs or capture cards i should look at before even trying?

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tjcarter:

Zombie: $20/year

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Zombie:

Unacceptable.

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blackest:

1 ghz is ok

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blackest:

for sd anway

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** iamlindoro__ sighs and rolls his eyes **

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symptom:

blackest: sd?

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Anduin:

symptom: For SD with a hardware encoder you could use it.

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symptom:

what is SD?

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Anduin:

symptom: < HD

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symptom:

ah

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blackest:

standard definition tv rather than high def tv

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symptom:

but for digital tv?

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symptom:

is ok?

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blackest:

sd tv yes

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flyback:

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/FBI_-_Electronic_Su . . . cket_Service

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symptom:

now.... excuse my ignorance, but I need both a capture card and a separate graphics card with tv out correct?

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fryfrog:

symptom: yes

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symptom:

any issue making them both PCI ?

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fryfrog:

there is only one option, but it is only worth mentioning to be "accurate"

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fryfrog:

a pci video card?

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fryfrog:

thats so... 1999 :)

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fryfrog:

I'm not sure if any pci video card you can get is going to be *that* great, where did they top out? Like GF2 or GF4?

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flyback:

symptom: if you are doing HD mabye

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flyback:

otherwise doubtful

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fryfrog:

flyback: you mean SD

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fryfrog:

right?

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flyback:

or it's a early broken chipset with canucked pci bus

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flyback:

no I mean HD

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symptom:

yea only SD

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symptom:

haha

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symptom:

actually 2001

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flyback:

sd probably isn't enough bw to chocke the pci bus

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symptom:

hehe

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fryfrog:

why would High Def be more likely to work with a pci video in and another out?

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flyback:

less likely

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fryfrog:

oh, nm

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symptom:

i have an AGP 1 slot but i cant find any agp 1 cards

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fryfrog:

i had the phrasing of the question wrong

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fryfrog:

symptom: why not get some 2002 POS for like $100

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flyback:

symptom: there are several

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fryfrog:

it'll have like, agp4x or 8x?

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flyback:

symptom: what chipset is this

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Frosty```:

no PCIe cards are supported by linux, thats a shame :/

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iamlindoro__:

Or, ya know, set a myth box up on a system that you didn't find in an alley behind a crack house

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iamlindoro__:

Frosty```: presumably you forgot the word "tuner" in there

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iamlindoro__:

Frosty```: And even then some have experimental support

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Frosty```:

ah yes, hehe, tuner :)

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symptom:

nope

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symptom:

1x

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symptom:

the original

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Frosty```:

my bank balance can't afford to experiment :)

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symptom:

iamlindoro__: my bank balance cant afford anything but the "behind the crack house" computer

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symptom:

:(

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symptom:

pfft

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symptom:

its a compaq persario 5300

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symptom:

it has a 100mhz bus

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symptom:

flyback: am i completely wasting my time? should I just build a new machine?

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Frosty```:

Hmm, this dual tuner I have right now, it has the equivalent of a T coax splitter? So i fI bought a T coax splitter and 2 seperate cards, I wouldn't be any worse off

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flyback:

is that a intel chipset

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symptom:

yes

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symptom:

it def is intel

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flyback:

na might be worth dealing with

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flyback:

what speed cpu and how much ram

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michael__:

hello

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symptom:

1ghz celeron and 256 but i can ug the mem.

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michael__:

anyone here use shephderd?

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michael__:

shepherd*

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flyback:

yeah that's worth trying to get going

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flyback:

unless the caps are popping or leaking or something else really wrong

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symptom:

haha

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symptom:

nope no hazmat issues

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flyback:

no dude they aren't toxic

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flyback:

defective caps are toxic to the pc and your data

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flyback:

in fact it's the fact that they have been using a non toxic fluid for decades that makes them more somewhat fragile

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symptom:

huh

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: yeah the useflag fixed it :)

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rushfan:

have a good day

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kormoc:

Zombie, well, if you don't want to pat $20 a yeah, you're sorta out of luck.

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Frosty```:

could of said "thanks" pfft

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flyback:

symptom: a bunch of bad caps were made 2 different cases

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flyback:

and it's caused a lot of older systems to fail

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Zombie:

I live on a fixed income.

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symptom:

huh

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kormoc:

Zombie, SD is non-profit, they don't get their data for free, nor is it free to run the servers and all that. It's as cheap as it gets.

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flyback:

symptom:

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flyback:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

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flyback:

all I was saying was unless it has that or some other horrible problem a 1ghz with a intel chipset is worth trying to get myth on

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flyback:

I got a duron 850 that has known cap issues but they have not gone bad yet and since losing some bits on myth isn't fatal I am going to use it for a backend

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symptom:

well i need to atleast buy a capture card and a graphics card

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flyback:

1 ghz you could do sw compress

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symptom:

the system im thinking about has integrated graphics

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flyback:

$5-$10 bt878 based card

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symptom:

what do you mean by that

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flyback:

for analog tv recording

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rushfan:

Umm, dumb question. In .21 where do you set the deinterlacer to be used?

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flyback:

mean your cpu is fast enough to compress on the fly

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rushfan:

Im digging all through the settings menus and havent found it

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symptom:

i was hoping to get it working with my digital cable

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flyback:

actually bro some digital cable boxes can get the digital output

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flyback:

but I don't know a lot about that you will have to google around

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kormoc:

symptom, read the firewire entry in the wiki

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iamlindoro__:

Or just read the MythTV wiki

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, kormoc beat me to it

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kormoc:

flyback, I'd really recommend against the bt878 capture cards, they're not worth the money

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iamlindoro__:

rushfan: Playback profiles-- Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, Page 3

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rushfan:

Oh so its different now

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flyback:

eh

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flyback:

they are $5-$10

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rushfan:

Umm, I dont understnad the new way it works

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rushfan:

heh

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iamlindoro__:

rushfan: A little bit-- essentially you can set up per-resolution rules for deinterlacing, rendering, etc... It's pretty nice so you can treat HD different from SD

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kormoc:

flyback, and you can get a pvr 150 for $50 (heard of down to $30 on sales)

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flyback:

nice

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iamlindoro__:

There's a wiki page although I'm not sure how mature it is just yet

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flyback:

that is better :)

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kormoc:

flyback, the quality difference alone is worth it

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flyback:

uh bt had really good quality

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flyback:

pvr you get mpeg-2 out if you want it or not

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flyback:

it'

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flyback:

is pretty good but still

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: iirc yadif usually works best, right?

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kormoc:

flyback, mine never did, crappy tuners on it, the audio was horrible (mono), had to deal with the audio loop thing... it was a mess

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iamlindoro__:

rushfan: depends on what you mean by "works" :) visually, yeah, I like it best. You'll take a bit of a hit on it

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flyback:

kormoc: do you still have the card

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rushfan:

meh, I can deal with it

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flyback:

keep it they have another valiable use

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kormoc:

flyback, and mine was a $80 bttv card at the time

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: what would the HD line look like?

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kormoc:

flyback, nah, it got trashed. What good does it do me?

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flyback:

bt878 has a 16 bit 446khz 890,000 samples per second adc

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** kormoc laughs **

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flyback:

good for a software oscilloscope

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flyback:

beats using a soundcard by far

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kormoc:

mine most certainly did not, it was locked to 11.x htz mono

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flyback:

no dude

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flyback:

that's for tv

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flyback:

this is part of the bt878 chip

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kormoc:

how would I have accessed this?

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iamlindoro__:

rushfan: It's sort of up to you-- You might set up < or = 720 x 480 as one rule and > 720 x 480 as another, or write even more granularly

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flyback:

you just have to find the pin on the board

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hnitsuj:

so why does it only output 8-bit video? :P

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kormoc:

meh, not worth it. I'd just borrow a oscilloscope if I need one

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: ok

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rushfan:

Ill just have to work it out

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kormoc:

EE friends rock :P

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rushfan:

right now deinterlacing looks flipping awful :|

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iamlindoro__:

hnitsuj: No, framegrabbers are TEH FUTUR!

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hnitsuj:

iamlindoro__: true. they hold the key to unlimited lameness

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iamlindoro__:

hehe

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** iamlindoro__ finally retired his last PVR-150 today... no more analog reception of any kind in the house. **

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: awesome

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rushfan:

I still have a PVR-150. Im watching it right now :(

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iamlindoro__:

Certainly not... *shudder* a framegrabber

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rushfan:

I dont even have digital cable. I do get QAM though

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iamlindoro__:

rushfan: They're definitely the best as far as I'm concerned if you have to use analog

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: oh for sure

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rushfan:

I just hate analog

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rushfan:

its absolutely awful

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iamlindoro__:

yup

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rushfan:

But I dont pay the bills, so so-be-it

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kormoc:

I like the fact you can just chain as many tuners as you want for free :P

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Cackette:

sorry for the delay, Anduin

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Cackette:

nothing works but CPu+

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Cackette:

every other setting makes the videos random colors

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flexy:

How can I force encrypted channels to be tuned with card that has CAM?

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kormoc:

flexy, remove them from the card that can't tune them?

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flexy:

kormoc: ummm. how is that done? In mythtv-setup, there is option to use certain card only for unencrypted channels, but not the other way around...

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kormoc:

flexy, channel editor?

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kormoc:

flexy, but wouldn't that setting work just as well?

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kormoc:

flexy, the card without the cam gets the flag of unencrypted only?

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tjcarter:

Died at ./osx-packager-0.21.pl line 1067.

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: yeah HD stuff is looking grainy...

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rushfan:

I need to cahnge the deinterlacer I take it?

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flexy:

kormoc: yes, but it seems that it does not work. CAM is on a card 2, if I don't have card 0 and 1 used on some multiplex already, trying to schedule encrypted channel results in card 0 trying to tune it... :/

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rushfan:

And if something is 720p it isnt stupid enough to deinterlace it anyhow is it?

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kormoc:

rushfan, that's the idea

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rushfan:

kormoc: what do you mean?

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iamlindoro__:

rushfan: I have no idea without looking at your material what would be the right move-- you just need to play with it

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kormoc:

rushfan, it's smart enough to not deinterlace progressive video

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rushfan:

kormoc: so if my HD is being deinterlaced its 1080i?

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rushfan:

Gotcha

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iamlindoro__:

In general, you can experiment with deinterlacers, renderers, etc. until you find hat looks good at a certain resolution

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flexy:

kormoc: livetv seems to pick the last card, where the CAM is, so livetv works fine. scheduled recordings result in tuning with CAMless card — not working

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: I think Im using opengl as my rendered

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rushfan:

The resoltuion is 1024x768 (for the monitor)

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rushfan:

err

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rushfan:

no, 1280x1024

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iamlindoro__:

rushfan: OpenGL is still very experimental, you are probably used to Xv-blit

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tjcarter:

cpu++ looks good =D

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: should I use Xv-blit?

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tjcarter:

anything else looks crappy most of the time

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kormoc:

video profile k is the best! :P

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** kormoc is a bad user and deleted the defaults **

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iamlindoro__:

OpenGL is the best looking in several ways, but you have to put up with some instability and an incompatibility with certain nvidia drivers

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rushfan:

oh

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rushfan:

well, hmm

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rushfan:

Ill just play w/ this thing

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iamlindoro__:

Otherwise, for most stable/also pretty good looking, xv-blit is good

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rushfan:

I need to get a dual-core, so I can watch HDTV w/o my machine lagging

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rushfan:

Or better yet, anyone here used mythtv with a quad-core?

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Frosty```:

me

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Frosty```:

:)

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iamlindoro__:

Yup, I do

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rushfan:

Frosty```: how big are the performance gains?

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rushfan:

over a dual-core?

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flyback:

I am going to stick with my analog pvr250 till comcast stops carrying analog sometime in 2014

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Frosty```:

well I haven't got HDTV, but playback of h264 720p without threads=4 was crap

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iamlindoro__:

rushfan: There is very little playback performance gain. It's mostly good for lots of backend jobs

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rushfan:

oh

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rushfan:

Frosty```: can you set mythtv to use 4 threads?

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Frosty```:

you can set mplayer to use 4 threads

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Frosty```:

dunno about the internal player

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rushfan:

but I want it for livetv :|

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iamlindoro__:

A dual core is the sweet spot for playback only. Even at *maximum* bitrate h.264 you can only come close to maxing out two cores.

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rushfan:

Ok

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rushfan:

then I guess I only need a dual core

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Frosty```:

yeah iamlindoro is right, htop shows 1 core @ 70% another @ 20% and 2 idle when I playback 40mbit 1080p

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: but what if I dont want the cores maxed out?

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iamlindoro__:

rushfan: Myth has multithreaded playback, but it's not going to help you with US broadcast

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: QAM?

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iamlindoro__:

rushfan: You will never get that close

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iamlindoro__:

rushfan: QAM is just a modulation-- MPEG-2

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iamlindoro__:

and multithreaded internal player won't help with that

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rushfan:

why not?

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iamlindoro__:

Try a high bitrate mpeg-2 and find out ;)

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iamlindoro__:

then try an h.264 file.

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iamlindoro__:

and watch top

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: does mpeg2 use low cpu?

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iamlindoro__:

oh, wait, you only have single core right now so I guess you can't test that

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rushfan:

Yeah

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iamlindoro__:

rushfan: Well, yes, that too

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Frosty```:

can standard top show load on individual cores?

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iamlindoro__:

It'll show you if you are maxing out 1 and using a second by being a # over 100%

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Frosty```:

use htop then

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Frosty```:

its in technicolor too

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iamlindoro__:

rushfan: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/15918

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iamlindoro__:

That's the change that enabled multithread-- see anything enlightening?

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iamlindoro__:

ie, multithreaded decode is h.264 only.

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rushfan:

oh

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rushfan:

damn :(

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rushfan:

well at least Ill still have a free core

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iamlindoro__:

I personally love the quad as I transcode a lot and can have lots of commflagging and lossless cuts going if I want to get the whole weeks watching edited at once

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iamlindoro__:

But if you won't be doing a lot of that stuff, then no need to spend the extra dough

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iamlindoro__:

and in fact, even if you are it's just gravy

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AndyCap:

lossless doesn't need much cpu does it?

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PatrickDK:

but he might install xen, and have winxp running on the other cores :)

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iamlindoro__:

lossless doesn't, but "real" transcoding does

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flexy:

is it possible to use one cards CAM for 2 other cards?

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flexy:

on the same backend

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iamlindoro__:

flexy: Nope

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flexy:

Is there an easy way to get encrypted channels directed to the card with CAM?

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iamlindoro__:

flexy: I suppose if I was trying I'd set up a whole different lineup for that one card and a lineup of unencrypted-only channels for the other ones.

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flexy:

iamlindoro__: well, I think that it means "no, there is no easy way" :)

[00:54:29]

iamlindoro__:

flexy: five minutes of work isn't an easy way?

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PatrickDK:

nope

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** flyback bbl **

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iamlindoro__:

sheesh, you must want me to come to your house or something before you call it easy

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PatrickDK:

one toggle button would be :)

[00:55:04]

iamlindoro__:

Oh well, five minutes of work, might as well just give up

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** iamlindoro__ ran a half-marathon this morning and has little patience for that tomfoolery **

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** rushfan bought a new mattress **

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rushfan:

my current is 15 years old and I was getting really crabby after waking up on it. And besides, I bought a remote for mythtv and it wasnt comfortable to lay on and watch tv

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flexy:

iamlindoro__: automatic scanning of channels does not work, I have to do it manually. Dunno why it does not work, but the multiplexes are wrong, so are most of the channel ids

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iamlindoro__:

rushfan: correction, you were getting *crabs* waking up on it

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: ehh... eww

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kormoc:

Frosty```, standard top can show each core, press '1'

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Frosty```:

woot!

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Frosty```:

never knew that

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iamlindoro__:

flexy: Have you unchecked the "unencrypted channels only" option before scanning? Also, you could just scan that one with dvbscan and import the channels.conf

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Frosty```:

handy cuz at work we have a livecd as a firewall, P-III (x2)

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flexy:

iamlindoro__: yes, I've tried just about every setting. And I've got the channels table right now. Just that myth chooses first card0, then card1, after that card2 for scheduled recordings. card2 has CAM and scheduled recordings work for encrypted channels only if card0&1 are in use already...

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iamlindoro__:

flexy: And that's where the two lineups come in

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iamlindoro__:

what's the problem with that?

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Frosty```:

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iamlindoro__:

flexy: Import the channels.conf for both lineups, prune the encrypted channels from one, and attach them as appropriate

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flexy:

iamlindoro__: not really problem. I just can't use the setup program, I have to do it manually to mysql database. And I need some help with that...

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rushfan:

Frosty```: thats exactly my thinking

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iamlindoro__:

flexy: Why can't you use mythtv-setup?

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rushfan:

of course these days 25pound is like 55 dollars :(

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rushfan:

Frickin economy

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flexy:

iamlindoro__: I have the channel table fixed now, I'm wondering if I can change sourceid to for example "2" for the encrypted channels? It's "1" now on every channel... And if I do that change, what else do I need to change...

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iamlindoro__:

flexy: I have no idea-- they make mythtv-setup to *avoid* that kind of trouble ;)

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flexy:

iamlindoro__: it fucks up the mplexid and serviceid values in table channel

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flexy:

thats the reason

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iamlindoro__:

flexy: Not if you never *scan*

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flexy:

ahaa

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flexy:

never thought of that

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iamlindoro__:

Now we're cooking with gas

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rushfan:

i prefer charcoal

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flexy:

in mythtv-setup, which menu allows me to add second source?

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hnitsuj:

hmmm. just over £12000 worth of stuff inventoried so far & I've not even started on the furniture

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iamlindoro__:

flexy, 3 I believe

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flexy:

iamlindoro__: ok, I'll have to try to poke around

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elupus:

hi all. since i got sorta kicked out of dev channel, let's give it a try here

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iamlindoro__:

elupus: Nobody kicked you out, they just didn't answer

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elupus:

that's the sorta :)

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iamlindoro__:

He stopped talking after he realized it was a dev question

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elupus:

ah

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iamlindoro__:

you probably have to be patient for someone to answer

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elupus:

true, given the late hour here i really should have been

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iamlindoro__:

Although who knows, perhaps someone knows the answer here (although they're probably all in both channels ;)

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elupus:

let's give it a try here too

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iamlindoro__:

If nothing else, you'll get a bunch of people eager to make up answers in this one

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elupus:

so, the question is, how do one get myth-backend to completely stop recording a show. calling myth protocol STOP_RECORDING function, will stop the recording, but if it's a scheduled recording, it will start up directly again

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elupus:

i've seen the same issue when doing this from the frontend too. so maybe someone knows

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hnitsuj:

in mythfrontend, go to 'watch recordings' & select DELETE

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hnitsuj:

er.. select 'delete' on the show you want to stop recording

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elupus:

that does seem to work yea

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iamlindoro__:

hnitsuj: Think he is referring to the myth protocol for development of xbmcmythetcetc

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hnitsuj:

ahhh XBMCgotohell

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elupus:

well i get same issu from frontend

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elupus:

go to delete recordings, select the one currently recording, select stop recording

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elupus:

it will stop and restart directly again

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hnitsuj:

heh that shouldn't happen

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elupus:

after having done this once, not even the way you suggested works anymore

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skd5aner:

Hello!

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skd5aner:

I'm having a problem after upgrading to current SVN from a version only about a week old...

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skd5aner:

I'm running version 16581, but when I click on "Watch Recordings" it doesn't do anything and I can never enter the watch recordings screen

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skd5aner:

anyone else seeing that behavior with current SVN head?

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Anduin:

skd5aner: check the logs

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iamlindoro__:

Note to self: Stop doing so much random crap while important recordings are going on.

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skd5aner:

Anduin: when I checked the logs (no verbosity) this is what I saw...

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skd5aner:

2008-03–15 20:17:03.471 XMLParse::LoadTheme using /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes

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skd5aner:

oops, sorry... wrong copy and paste

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skd5aner:

sort of new to IRC... just a sec

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Anduin:

skd5aner: pastebin if it is more than a line or two

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skd5aner:

it's one line... thank you for being patient with me, it was just cut off... here it is:

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skd5aner:

2008-03–15 20:17:03.471 XMLParse::LoadTheme using /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/Minimalist-wide/ui.xml

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Anduin:

Yeah, that is a boring line, should check the backend logs as well (though for playback, even at default verbosity, you should see more).

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skd5aner:

haha, true

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skd5aner:

Looks like Kevin just fixed it in 16586... thanks!

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Frosty```:

I love how watching a recording uses only 1% cpu :)

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justdave:

ok, I bit the bullet and upgraded to 0.21 today. :)

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Staticwave_Ace:

does there exist any up-to-date documentation regarding the new features 0.21?

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justdave:

the TV playback is fine on my system, that's the one thing I heard some people were having issues with that made me nervous

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justdave:

(people were saying it was jittery)

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justdave:

the "Recorded Programs" page on MythWeb takes several minutes to load now, though.

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justdave:

that's the only thing I've found that annoys me so far.

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GreyFoxx:

Staticwave_Ace: the wiki has some release notes

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justdave:

hmm, only on some recording groups though

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justdave:

wonder if there's something funky in that group.

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GreyFoxx:

no idea how complete they are

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Staticwave_Ace:

GreyFoxx: not a lot there other that "this is new"

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GreyFoxx:

That's about it

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GreyFoxx:

some features might have info seperately in ythe wiki as well,but there is no official 0.21 myth manual or anything

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrrmm

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Staticwave_Ace:

I wonder if mythwelcome honours mythtranscode jobs

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Staticwave_Ace:

for anyone who hasn't seen the slashdot post yet, there's a nice HDTV antenna design http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna/index.htm

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Frosty```:

although my picutre is fine, it takes forever to tune into each channel, would that be the cause of low signal?

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CCFL_Man2:

anone else here get qam channels over cable?

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Staticwave_Ace:

anyone know of a mythtv theme that has been updated to actually support all of the pages in 0.21?

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Frosty```:

nn, love you

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iamlindoro__:

Staticwave_Ace: Any and all of the core themes included in myth

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrm I guess blootube-wide isn't considered "core?"

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Anduin:

CCFL_Man2: Yes, though I don't currently use it (and also don't use the QAM 64 music stuff if that is what you are looking for)

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fuxxy:

I'm sorry that I'm sounding like a broken record, but this is annoying. I configured my frontend overscan with nvidia's tool (i forget the name), and now my mplayer is showing blue bars

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CCFL_Man2:

Anduin: i'm not interested in music, i want to know if any of your qam channels that were tv channels used musicam (mp2) audio

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CCFL_Man2:

instead of ac3

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squish102:

amd64 3500, 1G mem, BE/FE, 2x400g disk, onboard nvidia using nvidia driver. i have a problem with when i start watching a HD recording it shudders both video/sound. what is first thing i should look at to try fix it

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squish102:

after awhile it comes right

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Staticwave_Ace:

iamlindoro_: it appears the release of mythtvthemes I have is not quite up-to-date

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Staticwave_Ace:

svn fixes that

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michael__:

anyone here have VFD display? (preferably with antec fusion)?

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CCFL_Man2:

Anduin: i'm curious if any qam channels have musicam audio instead of ac3 audio

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hnitsuj:

Staticwave_Ace: blootube-wide isn't even considered good, let alone core (at least by the person who made it)

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Staticwave_Ace:

I see

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GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man2: You are pretty much guaranteed they all have ac3 audio

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GreyFoxx:

the DCII spec used by most all cable companies and device makers used ac3 for audio

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squish102:

GreyFoxx, i tried mythtv 0.21 with dlink dsm-320 and it kinda works... ushare still does a much better job. dsm-320 is end of life, so it is probably not worth figuring out

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Anduin:

CCFL_Man2: Yeah, a quick run through and I've not seen any that are not AC3

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GreyFoxx:

"kinda works"?

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squish102:

works fine for recordings, but on video's that are .avi they dont play

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, same as before then

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squish102:

ushare plays them fine on the dsm

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squish102:

pretty much

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GreyFoxx:

must be a fundamental diff between the 320 and 520

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GreyFoxx:

cause the 520 works just fine

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squish102:

i may eventually just get a popcornhour

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CCFL_Man2:

Anduin: ahh, ok

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GreyFoxx:

Ive even looked at packet captures and what we send and what ushare sends are almost byte identical

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: i wonder about dvb or powervu sources

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squish102:

GreyFoxx, that dsm is a pain, even with tversity

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GreyFoxx:

dvb can be ac3, or mp2

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GreyFoxx:

but dcII which is very very close to dvb, but is the standard used in the cable industry sues ac3

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GreyFoxx:

uses

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Anduin:

CCFL_Man2: Yeah, I just went through them all, even the TV guide channel feed uses AC3

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: yeah, thing is, i'm not sure if the my samsung hdtv stb ignores mp2 or there isn't any in the stream

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CCFL_Man2:

Anduin: ahh, ok, thanks

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Anduin:

Staticwave_Ace: Have you built one?

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Staticwave_Ace:

Anduin: pardon?

[03:04:34]

Anduin:

Staticwave_Ace: The antenna

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Staticwave_Ace:

Anduin: no, not yet, need for it to warm up before I'll have a workspace available

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: my avermedia A180 has no windows app that can tune qam, so i can't test it

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GreyFoxx:

I think avermedia updated their software to work with QAM sources

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GreyFoxx:

I read it somewhere

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CCFL_Man2:

just recently?

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GreyFoxx:

last couple months

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CCFL_Man2:

hmm..

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GreyFoxx:

never tried my a180 in a windows box so I havent used it myself

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Staticwave_Ace:

Anduin: I have a very experienced HAM user to assist me

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Staticwave_Ace:

so it should be a breeze

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Anduin:

I had issues, I don't remember if I ever found a way to get QAM with it, their DVR software looked like the best route (their old app doesn't do it)

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: i think i downloaded the wrong software

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Anduin:

Staticwave_Ace: Yeah, I'm currently using the shoebox one Thanthrix linked to, it isn't bad but I've been looking for something better.

[03:11:38]

Staticwave_Ace:

well this is likely much bigger (link for shoebox?)

[03:12:08]

Staticwave_Ace:

but its a pretty optimal design without trying to manufacture a paraboloid

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Staticwave_Ace:

(very hard)

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CCFL_Man2:

the version of ts reader doesn't support qam tuning either

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Anduin:

Staticwave_Ace: http://members.shaw.ca/hdtvantenna/

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Anduin:

Ideally Comcast would respond to my "why is the ber so high here" messages and I could go back to not caring about antennas.

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Chicago:

Hi, I want to set my video output device to an interlaced mode instead of using software to do the de-interlacing.

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CCFL_Man2:

Anduin: thats like asking cumcast to provide good service

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Chicago:

I did get the video output device to play in an interlaced mode, but the video quality was not what I expected.

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Staticwave_Ace:

Anduin: I don't get any (unencrypted) hi-def on my QAM, so either I find something to decode it, or build an antenna to pickup the ~20 ATSC channels available

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kdub:

Chicago, i dont think you can do that

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kdub:

could be wrong though

[03:15:15]

Chicago:

Instead of the interlaced video signal syncing up with the monitors refresh rate (60Hz)... it was not matched perfectly.

[03:15:20]

kdub:

Staticwave_Ace, you get 20 channels over the air?

[03:15:34]

kdub:

yeah Chicago, i think that is the problem

[03:15:36]

Chicago:

kdub: Well, I should test with the nvidia vsync option. That may fix it.

[03:15:39]

kdub:

there is no way to match it perfectly

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Anduin:

Staticwave_Ace: Yeah, I still live in an area where they don't bother to encrypt on-demand (which is annoying, weeding out the channels that do not exist later).

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Chicago:

kdub: I guess its worth trying again.

[03:19:33]

Chicago:

How does the video_b_frames, video_gop_size and video_gop_closure affect myth?

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Anduin:

CCFL_Man2: It wouldn't be so bad if their people were more like SBC's, the few I've talked to have had great soft skills, didn't know what I was asking about, but were very nice about it.

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CCFL_Man2:

Anduin: they pay their people ass

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CCFL_Man2:

even their engineers

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Anduin:

They owe that to their stockholders.

[03:21:44]

CCFL_Man2:

they do

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CCFL_Man2:

which is why i don't do business with them

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CCFL_Man2:

if i were you i'd drop them like a big shit

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Anduin:

Well my backyard doesn't have room for my own personal satellite array :)

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh, sucks

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CCFL_Man2:

not even 2 or 3 buds?

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Staticwave_Ace:

so, regarding these new deinterlacers, which is suggested if CPU is power is no problem?

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Staticwave_Ace:

Anduin: I was thinking of building the half-antenna first, to see if it does anything for toronto signals, and then if it does, upgrade it to the full antenna to get to buffalo

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Anduin:

Staticwave_Ace: yadif or greedy

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Staticwave_Ace:

I'm not quite sure what this 2X thing means

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Staticwave_Ace:

Anduin: hrmm, perhaps I'll build a shoebox one first

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Staticwave_Ace:

there is a transmitter in my town

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Staticwave_Ace:

just to test.. :)

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Chicago:

Staticwave_Ace: I read, of the old de-interlacing... Kerneldeint is "less destracting" than the linearblend.

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Anduin:

Staticwave_Ace: Yeah, that is why I built it, still testing, or really avoiding buying one.

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** flyback is falling into a bad state of depression tonight :/ **

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Anduin:

and the 2X is like bob, doubles the frame rate

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CCFL_Man2:

Anduin: i have a qam modulator, it's source is a motorola dcII ird, thing is, it doesn't do musicam audio on dvb streams in analog mode, i think because it doesn't find them, but the question is, does it pass those streams over asi when it's set to output the whole multiplex

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iamlindoro__:

You probably ought to just call in MP2 audio so that people have some idea what you're talking about

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CCFL_Man2:

might be a good idea

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Anduin:

CCFL_Man2: Yeah, way over my head.

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Anduin:

TV gets on the wire by magic

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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bunder:

hey, i got another one... how do i use "record n episodes" "delete oldest if recording exceeds limit" without re-recording what it deletes?

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CCFL_Man2:

damn farkin winders installers

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A-:

is build 16586 still considered 0.21?

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GreyFoxx:

depends on what branch it's from

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A-:

trunk

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GreyFoxx:

no

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A-:

so if I wanted the source for 0.21 I'd want to snag http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-21-fixes/?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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A-:

cool thanks

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GreyFoxx:

Id stick with -fixes. Trunk is gonna go through so pain soon :)

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A-:

understandable

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GreyFoxx:

the QT4 porting will be rought for a bit

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: qt4 pain?

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: you realize there will be a qt5 before qt4 happens in myth ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Yup,m starting Monday or tuesday

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GreyFoxx:

Qt4 is this week

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tjcarter:

okay, but before it works? =D

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GreyFoxx:

we'll see :)

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** tjcarter expects Qt5 on Tuesday or Wednesday. **

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tjcarter:

=p

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tjcarter:

<-- cynic

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tjcarter:

Qt7 before Mac Frontend works right ;)

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tjcarter:

<-- realistic

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tjcarter:

[osx-pkg] Failed system call: " /Users/tjcarter/Source/mythtv/.osx-packager/src/myth-svn/mythtv/contrib/OSX/osx- bundler.pl /Users/tjcarter/Source/mythtv/MythFrontend /Users/tjcarter/Source/mythtv/.osx-packager/build/lib/ /Users/tjcarter/Source/mythtv/.osx-packager/build/lib/mysql " with error code 16777215

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tjcarter:

osx-packager is broken, film at 11.

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iamlindoro:

the packager works fine, I build weekly and the nightly builds continue to show up on thesniperpad.com, so I'm not alone

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tjcarter:

today, the packager is broken with that error.

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iamlindoro:

You *constantly* complain that it is broken, and each time I kick it off and it works fine

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tjcarter:

Tiger or Leopard?

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tjcarter:

the last time someone insisted it worked when it didn't, they ran Tiger.

[05:10:39]

tjcarter:

it in fact didn't work on Leopard.

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tjcarter:

In fact, I proved that it was incapable of working on Leopard because Qt refused to compile on anything > 10.4 at the time.

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iamlindoro:

Leopard

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iamlindoro:

And it will compile *fine* on Leopard

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tjcarter:

so how do you explain the above error?

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iamlindoro:

Heh, the onus is not on me to explain your error, it's on *you* to fix it

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iamlindoro:

I have nothing to prove, *my* OS X builds work fine every time

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tjcarter:

because obviously I know what error code 16777215 is.

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iamlindoro:

I don't either, but you act like I'm the one in the wrong because mine works-- The point I am making is that the packager is not broke, and has never been any time I have used it, up to and including two days ago, and I just kicked it off now to continue to prove a point

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tjcarter:

have you considered that the packager depends on a hidden file containing an entire filesystem of state data that might not be rebuilt the same on my system as yours?

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iamlindoro:

tjcarter: Again, why yours fails is *not my problem or fault*. Nor, more importantly, is it MythTV's fault. It is the fault of *your* setup

[05:15:49]

tjcarter:

if the script doesn't rebuild that portion for you, it can be broken

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iamlindoro:

and it's irritating how you complain about the state of Myth on mac os multiple times a day and it always comes down to it being someone else's problem

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CCFL_Man2:

there is musicam audio on the qam multiplex

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CCFL_Man2:

son of a niscuit eating bulldog

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tjcarter:

iamlindoro: I'm only referencing known, filed, documented, ignored, and languishing bugs.

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CCFL_Man2:

oh crap

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tjcarter:

because obviously nobody else is complaining or they'd have been priorities for fixing sometime between 0.20 and 0.21

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iamlindoro:

*eyeroll* Yes dear. There are plenty of bugs that everyone would love to see fixed. If it's such a problem then fix them yourself or at least have enough respect for the people you expect to fix them for you to shut the fuck up

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CCFL_Man2:

this hdtv tuner box i have is useless

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iamlindoro:

because news flash, they sit in here and listen and you don't build any goodwill by bitching all the time

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tjcarter:

iamlindoro: I think I have contributed as much as someone who doesn't know Qt can contribute. But then, you would conveniently ignore the questions I answer or the things I've been tinkering with because this doesn't fit your bash tjcarter for wanting 3 year old bugs fixed mentality..

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tjcarter:

And NO, I don't know Qt. YES, I have tried to learn it. Batshit insane, I can't make heads or tails of it.

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tjcarter:

Nothing like the C++ I learned years ago.

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tjcarter:

(actually C++ isn't anything like the C++ I learned years ago, but that's another story..)

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iamlindoro:

tjcarter: I don't care if you want them fixed-- hell, more power to you. I have no idea what you've been "tinkering with," but wake me when the patches are delivered, and what I *really* would love is for you to not complain about the same damn things three times daily. OK. We get it. tjcarter own Mac. Mac no work good. Excellent. Noted. But the devs work on the things that matter to them and they're interested, and I

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tjcarter:

packager checks out a clean copy

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tjcarter:

in fact, I delete the dmg before building

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tjcarter:

cesman: unless center stage connects to my backend...

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** cesman doesn't own a Mac **

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shiznix:

what is wrong with myth on the Mac, works fine here afaict

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** shiznix runs frontend only on a Macbook **

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cesman:

tjcarter: how if I did and I wanted to view those videos and mythfrontend on the mac wasn't up to the task... I'd try UPnP

[05:44:17]

cesman:

or perhaps the "pretty" script and file sharing...

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cesman:

tjcarter: doesn't the Mac support NFS or SMB

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iamlindoro:

Yup, I've got it figured out. It's his computer.

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iamlindoro:

in a current version of osx-packager: @bundler = "$svndir/mythtv/contrib/OSX/build/osx-bundler.pl"; This is a recent change from six days ago that reorganized contrib. tjcarter's @bundler = "$svndir/mythtv/contrib/OSX/osx-bundler.pl"; which is the line from the *old* version of osx-packager.pl.

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iamlindoro:

when you do the fresh checkout, you've got the run osx-packager from that checkout, too, not just rely on the old osx-packager to never change. You can fix it on your system with:

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iamlindoro:

cp /Users/tjcarter/Source/mythtv/.osx-packager/src/myth-svn/mythtv/contrib/OSX/buil d/osx-bundler.pl /Users/tjcarter/Source/mythtv/

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iamlindoro:

then rerun the osx-packager.pl script and it will work fine. If you had run today's version of the osx-packager to begin with instead of the old one, it would have built fine.

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iamlindoro:

erm, sorry: cp /Users/tjcarter/Source/mythtv/.osx-packager/src/myth-svn/mythtv/contrib/OSX/buil d/osx-packager.pl /Users/tjcarter/Source/mythtv/

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Tanthrix:

Oh joy, comcast changed my god damned frequencies again.

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psymin:

anyone using directv with hd?

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FinnTux:

errr, what happened to blootube themes?

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Dagmar:

Dunno what you're talking about

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FinnTux:

nevermind, found some info on that

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hnitsuj:

it's hardly as if they're not available at all anymore

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Dagmar:

hehe

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hnitsuj:

packagers only have to change their source

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hnitsuj:

ooo. qt4 branch merging

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purserj:

quick question, how would you go about adding new news feeds to Mythtv?

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Dagmar:

You'd look at the source for MythNews

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purserj:

they're hard coded?

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Thomas-:

Morning.....

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** Thomas- feels good... I must still be drunk ;) **

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Dagmar:

When you look at the source, you'll know what it is.

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purserj:

ah, they're listed in an xml file instead of the db

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Dagmar:

Take my word for it when I say there's not even a point in explaining it

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Dagmar:

It'll be obvious when you get there,

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Dagmar:

...and thanks for not making some kind of wack "elitism" crack and just lookin'.

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Dagmar:

It really is a problem that takes five minutes to figure out and solve at the same time, or it's beyond ya altogether.

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Dagmar:

XML pwns for this stuff.

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mickfromperth:

hello i have a newb user permissions issue can someone help me troubleshoot it?

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mickfromperth:

I can't record, mythbacked log shows it's unable to write to the hard disk due to permissions issues.

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mickfromperth:

"eno: Permission denied (13)"

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Dagmar:

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~rc/help/faq/permissions.html

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Dagmar:

There is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_permissions

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Nikas:

mickfromperth: check your permission for /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/

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Nikas:

do ls -l in /var/lib/mythtv

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Dagmar:

well, assuming that's where he told it to record to

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Nikas:

sure

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mickfromperth:

yeah i have moved the recording location...

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Nikas:

check the permissions where you moved it then

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mickfromperth:

i have check the permissions. it "looks" ok to me..

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Nikas:

drwxrwsr-x 5 mythtv mythtv ?

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Dagmar:

more assumptions

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Nikas:

yes :P user assumptions

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purserj:

okay, so that was amazingly easy :) Now the $64 question how does it handle enclosure fields

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** purserj goes to experiment **

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mickfromperth:

er. no. it's missing the second w

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Nikas:

well...

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Nikas:

chmod 775 ?

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Dagmar:

purserj: Okay, that one I've no idea about. It *should* be standard XML-stuff if I understand your question correctly.

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Dagmar:

mickfromperth: The second w doesn't matter if the frontend is running as the 'mythtv' user, since in that instance that's the user that "owns" the directory in question and has write access that way

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Dagmar:

mickfromperth: Your life will be easier if you actually read those two URLs and attempt to learn what little comprises file permissions and ownership instead of trying to just figure out what magic chicken bone rattle to shake over it

[11:17:01]

Dagmar:

There's a reason both those pages are short, and it's because this is not complex stuff.

[11:18:34]

Dagmar:

Once you've done that, when you hit a problem, we'll talk your ear off about it.

[11:18:48]

Dagmar:

But you figured out how to get on IRC, so this should be pretty simple by comparison.

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Dagmar:

I hab fates in j00

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purserj:

Dagmar: and the answer is yes it supports enclosure fields

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Dagmar:

purserj: Yeah, I figured it did just from what bizarre forms I was getting away with working on themes

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Dagmar:

XML is really more flexible about that than I expected

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Thomas-:

WTF how come my frontend doesn't find any audiocard all of a sudden ...*swears*

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purserj:

Dagmar: the next thing to investigate would be how to tell mythtnews to handle podcasts so you can keep the files (creating a folder under mythmusic for each cast and storing the audio file there)

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mickfromperth:

there wenikas: thanks. it was actually the owner of the durectory causing the problem. strange it worked for a while. i have 5 recording in that directory.. just today it stopped working.

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Dagmar:

purserj: What I know of XML has mainly come from reverse engineering it

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purserj:

could do something similar for vodcasts

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Dagmar:

So, formal terms for stuff I might not know from Adam

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purserj:

Dagmar: heh no worries

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Dagmar:

mickfromperth: Ah... now THAT is a good question. Use `ps -C mythbackend -o user=` to be sure it's running as the user you think it is

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Dagmar:

-C string == match the process name exactly.

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Dagmar:

-o user= == Output should be the username field only

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Thomas-:

hmm disable and then enable the soundcard in bios, save settings and booting helped

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** purserj listens to lugradio via mythnews **

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Dagmar:

Jesus

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Dagmar:

purserj: You wouldn't happen to have a _sample_ of an enclosure field?

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Dagmar:

I thought you were talking about something intrinsic to XML, and not an application of it

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Dagmar:

For some insane reason, Googling is turning me up piles of pages that really amount to saying "derrr... click da checkbox for 'enable enclosures'" without actually catering to those of us who can type <> a bunch of times without fainting.

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purserj:

Dagmar: ah, no an enclosure field is an extension of rss which contains a url for a media file

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purserj:

<enclosure

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purserj:

url="http://audio.lugradio.org/season5/ep13/lugrad . . . ow.ogg"

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purserj:

type="application/ogg" length="27865657" />

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Dagmar:

Yeah but, what's it look like? <enclosure mimetype=blah>url://goes.in.here.mp3</enclosure> or what?

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Dagmar:

Holy crap I was close to guessing it

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Dagmar:

lol

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purserj:

damn should have pastebinned it sorry

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purserj:

heh

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Iggle-Piggle:

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Dagmar:

purserj: I thought you were talking about that the same thing could be expressed as <enclosure><url>http://audio.lugradio.org/season5/ep13/lugrad . . . nclosure>

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purserj:

not sure about the other syndication forms I work with RSS mainly

[11:28:58]

purserj:

Here I'll pastebin a sample from the lugradio feed

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Dagmar:

Well, those contain the basic elements (plus a couple more) for letting something know how to deal with the item

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Dagmar:

This stuff basically gets turned into a simple data structure when it's sucked into an app, so the actual syntax doesn't matter NEARLY as much as people are used to caring about

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purserj:

I'm going through the code now looking for the enclosure detection (which it must be doing to pull down the media file)

[11:30:33]

Dagmar:

It's basically just an object named "enclosure" which has three attributes attached to it, one of which happens to be a URI and the other two are strings that describe it

[11:30:50]

Iggle-Piggle:

mythstream is broke since i upgraded to 0.21 is this easily fixed?

[11:30:56]

hnitsuj:

purserj: personally I hear more than enough swearing from day to day without needing to download a podcast

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Dagmar:

Well, that would be tied to a "view" element and I Don't think the thing does anything but show the RSS feeds right no

[11:31:05]

Dagmar:

ww

[11:32:15]

Dagmar:

That *would* add a pretty potent amount of new usability for MythNews if it did actually handle podcasts tho

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Dagmar:

...but um, probably 10x more work to code than "just" getting the thing grabbing RSS feeds and displaying the text to the user

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hnitsuj:

any usability would be cool

[11:33:01]

Dagmar:

What it's doing now could be done with a shell script and a bit of perl

[11:33:14]

hnitsuj:

the list of feeds could do with being kept more up to date – maybe grab it from services.mythtv.org or something

[11:33:32]

purserj:

plus a GUI way of adding new feeds would also be handy

[11:33:37]

Dagmar:

Well, that would lead to wankers polling for the list of feeds every hour, which is probably a bad thing

[11:33:50]

Dagmar:

Probably better to include it in the source

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purserj:

hacking the xml file while quite simple, still means people have to move away from the frontend

[11:34:22]

Dagmar:

purserj: Yeah at the moment MythNews pretty much *just* gets feeds and shows you the text parts of them

[11:34:52]

Dagmar:

Oh, and lets you see how many news sites have their heads lodged deeply up their asses about how to fill in boxes correctly.

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hnitsuj:

Dagmar: mythnews isn't text-only though. seen it work with youtube

[11:35:49]

Dagmar:

So many times I was looking at a story that was reasonabley short, only to see about thirty words of text ending in "..."

[11:36:38]

Dagmar:

hnitsuj: Well, I pretty much quit using it after realizing that most of these website monkeys are just using RSS to provide half-assed automatic summaries of stories instead of actual stories

[11:37:04]

hnitsuj:

far better would be to have a feed scroller or little box like the music miniplayer IMHO

[11:37:20]

Dagmar:

I could deal with that

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Dagmar:

MythOSD is definitely under-utilized

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Dagmar:

I dread looking to see if it even still works

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hnitsuj:

a scroller feature present on all screens has been on the cards for a long time – I think the main blocker is deciding how best to implement it

[11:37:52]

Dagmar:

That's one of the *first* things that should have been given it's own GL surface to draw on

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purserj:

Dagmar: that's because they're trying to drive visitors to their sites

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hnitsuj:

bbc feeds aren't bad

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Dagmar:

Yeah, BBS is notably less greedy er "profit-centric" than most places tho

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Dagmar:

s/BBS/BBC/;

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Dagmar:

purserj: Yeah, btu the problem is that RSS was designed to actually ship news feeds, not as a method for just spewing "teasers"

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hnitsuj:

heh. html was _supposed_ to look the same across all platforms at one point :P

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Dagmar:

Ah but no they gave that up rather quickly

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Dagmar:

an HTML document is supposed to basically be agnostic about specifying how a page looks

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Dagmar:

The browser is supposed to decide that entirely. The HTML is only supposed to make suggestions and specifications.

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purserj:

yar CSS is meant to determine the look and feel across multiple platforms *cough*

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Dagmar:

Well, CSS was meant as a cleaner way to change those same settings that were controlling how elements are drawn before

[11:41:36]

Dagmar:

HTML attributes basically apply styles and so forth to individual elements or groups of elements.

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Dagmar:

CSS, as it's currently being used in most browsers, goes a bit deeper and simply changes the default way various things are draawn.

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Dagmar:

This goes a long way towards reducing memory usage and processing effort on complex pages

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Dagmar:

hnitsuj: It was specifically because of blind and nearsighted people that is the reason Berners-Lee and those other two guys very quickly walked away from the idea of strict description of document rendering

[11:44:38]

Dagmar:

I get kinda irritated about articles I see now about how we're "developing" a "machine-parseable, semantically organized web for easily searching and categorizing pages"

[11:44:51]

Dagmar:

Like this is a *new* concept or something

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Dagmar:

That was one of the damn design goals from the very start, which is why there were meta tags in the spec at all

[11:45:58]

Dagmar:

...but spammers fucked it all up, just like they're going to _keep_ fucking up subsequent attempts until people grow cojones and start accepting the fact that for the thing to _survive_ it's going to have to STOP assuming that every document out there is trying to "play fair"

[11:47:11]

Dagmar:

If I EVER re-find those damn usenet articles (because I used to compulsively collect data) I will be a rich man

[11:48:06]

Dagmar:

I might have just chucked them out tho. SOmewhere or other I am supposed to ahve a medium-sized box full of 3.5" disks I can no longer remember where is at

[11:51:33]

Dagmar:

Kind of an example of "those who do not study history will be doomed to repeat it"

[11:55:26]

purserj:

Dagmar: a quick "howto" on adding podcasts to mythnews – http://jamespurser.com.au/blog/A_Myth_Epiphany

[11:55:48]

Dagmar:

So it *does* support enclosures then

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purserj:

yup

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Dagmar:

This somewhat adds more weight to the idea that there should maybe be a mythstorage library that various parts could use to stuff things onto the disk instead of everything doing it's own writing

[11:57:53]

purserj:

a common api would be the most efficient thing

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Dagmar:

I completely agree with the guy on that page about that would really require the ability to stuff things into a temp file

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purserj:

the one I linked to?

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Dagmar:

For that matter, there's another tag... "temporary media" that could be applied to both these, and LiveTV recording fragments

[11:58:25]

Dagmar:

yes

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purserj:

that's me

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Dagmar:

Oh!

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purserj:

:), just a quick write up of my investigations

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Dagmar:

Okay then I agree with you. :)

[11:59:01]

Dagmar:

Except nto about storing it specifically in MythMusic or MythVideo

[11:59:14]

Dagmar:

This thing needs a common storage library

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purserj:

that works as well

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purserj:

I was thinking in terms of the existing infrastructure

[11:59:47]

Dagmar:

Well, I mean MythVideo and the WatchRecordings menus should be polling the same code

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Dagmar:

People's lives would become substantially easier if they just had one API to deal with for querying what's available on the disk/network

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purserj:

yup

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hnitsuj:

pffff tracking down interesting old sound clips is tricky without an audio equivalent of youtube

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psycodad:

hello, i would like to listen to radio stations (it worked before via .pls files in the video dirs) but I don't remember with which player i can start/play .pls files (i lost my backend completely due to disk crash after lightning) ?

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Dagmar:

Probably mplayer

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psycodad:

Dagmar: thx!

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Dagmar:

purserj: I'll also say that adding a "permanent" tag is probably the wrong way to go about it

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Dagmar:

Those things should probably just be cached in a method similar to the way LiveTV segments are kept

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Dagmar:

BTW, booleans can generally be indicated by simply <permanent/>

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Dagmar:

IIRC

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purserj:

yar probably true

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purserj:

miro has something similar, default behaviour is kill after 5 days unless otherwise indicated

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Dagmar:

Whoops <permanent /> I think is the more correct thing.

[12:08:28]

Dagmar:

Yeah and just using the word "permanent" could be confusing to even devs. It could possibly imply that the goal is to keep the recording _forever_

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purserj:

status?

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purserj:

actually the whole thing would probably be better moved into the db and away from a seperate xml file

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Dagmar:

You probably shouldn't need to tell the engine anything at all about how long to keep the audio file

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Dagmar:

The correct thing to do does actually smell like they should be cached by default, and old ones flushed from the cache when a new one is about to be pulled down

[12:11:06]

Dagmar:

...cEspecially because the logical progression of that is probably going to be for part of the news UI to allow the user to flag a particular podcast as one to archive permanently, or only keep the last x streams, or keep them for x number of days/hours like the auto-expiry in the recordings work

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hnitsuj:

purserj: w.r.t. mythnews I think you're right. It's fine to have external scripts & external parsers so they can easily be updated but myth should avoid flat files wherever possible IMHO

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purserj:

it just strikes me odd that you've got a nice db there and you ignore it for an xml file is all

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hnitsuj:

it wouldn't even be tricky to populate a list at install time

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psycodad:

it turned out my stream urls are outdated, even internal seems to work fine for mp3 streams.

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Dagmar:

If I can get my G*DD*MN GF to let me have some free time this week, I'll sit down and do a proposal for explaining the utility of a mythstorage lib

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Dagmar:

purserj: ebcause XML files are way easier to write than SQL statements

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Dagmar:

Way way WAY easier

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purserj:

Dagmar: ideally the way to add new feeds would be via the GUI anyway, rather than hacking the xml file or the db

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Dagmar:

The db may be there and all, but slupring up an XML file is just stupidly simple.

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Dagmar:

You get, at the end of the operation, a disgustingly obvious data structure that is horrifyingly easy to parse.

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Dagmar:

purserj: Oh yeah there I agree with you, but at the moment, the XML method is pretty easy and people familiar with RSS are likely to be quite conversant with XML in general

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purserj:

true, the GUI is the end goal

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Dagmar:

Aftrer lookin' at your site some more, if I happen across the right style of material I may wind up sending you a new design for that second shirt

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purserj:

the access denied one?

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Dagmar:

I do like the idea, but the actual text seems like the coloration (figuratively speaking) is off the mark

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Dagmar:

Parodies and spoofs (particularly dark ones) I'm damn handy with

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purserj:

yar, it's a cafe press job, so a bit limited

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Dagmar:

Yeah but even within that space, there's plenty of flexibility

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neb_:

hmm, does it sometimes take you guys as long as 8 secs to change a channel?

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Dagmar:

Depends

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Dagmar:

8 seems a bit long

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Dagmar:

It's like 2–4 with my PVR-500, although I'm sure I could bring that down if I reduced the bucket sizes a bit

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psycodad:

neb, i have only pvr150 cards (5 in 2 be) it depends mostly on how far the fe is network-wise away from the backend. on 100mbit i have 1–2s

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neb_:

hm

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neb_:

back+front are on the same box

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Dagmar:

0.21 definitely increased the amount of time channel changing and initially getting LiveTV on the screen (likely for the same reason)

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neb_:

is there anything i could look at tweaking?

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purserj:

Dagmar: I've noticed that as wll

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purserj:

well even

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Dagmar:

I figure it just reset the smaller value I set the last time to speed it up a bit

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Dagmar:

I don't really mind enough right now to bother with fixing it again.

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Dagmar:

LiveTV is a very small minority of my TV watchin' time

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MaverickTech:

hey there all

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MaverickTech:

I have had a weird problem since building latest SVN trunk today

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MaverickTech:

I can no longer access "Watch Recordings", selecting it does nothing, nothing to speak of in the log either, except an access to the ui.xml

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jduggan:

MaverickTech: change your theme

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MaverickTech:

done that

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jduggan:

(i think) ;)

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MaverickTech:

same result

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jduggan:

oh :(

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MaverickTech:

I can get into all other menus that I have tried

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iamlindoro:

update your svn

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iamlindoro:

it's alreadys fixed

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iamlindoro:

er already

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MaverickTech:

ah ok

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MaverickTech:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

no problem

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Dagmar:

I'm probably going to switch over to 0.21-fixes in another 3–4 days

[12:35:17]

** iamlindoro can't wait to watch people update their trunk installs mid next week without doing any backing up and find that they have completely broken qt4 versions **

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Dagmar:

Not being able to add new file extentions to what MythVideo looks for is pretty onerous

[12:35:36]

iamlindoro:

But then, I'm gleefully evil ;)

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: It serves them right for not testing each library as they go

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Me too. Too bad they posted to -users, too. That means those running trunk, but not reading dev may actually figure it out.

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iamlindoro:

I *always* serves them right :)

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iamlindoro:

er it

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Dagmar:

We kinda started ignoring people with KDE4/QT4 problems in some other channels just because so many people built jacked-up Qt packages as a result of being too dim or too lazy to read the docs

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Yeah, saw that-- 'course, availability of information has never prevented rampant idiocy

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xand:

hmm

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sphery:

Right. Though it may stop one or two.

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Dagmar:

You can lead a n00b to clue, but you can't make him think.

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iamlindoro:

true true

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sphery:

Which is probably a negligible percentage...

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xand:

why might mythtv suddenly start not creating files when recording? it hasn't run out of disk space :S

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hnitsuj:

broken!

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xand:

and there's not even an empty file, just nothing

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Dagmar:

Check the backend log

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hnitsuj:

broken!

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xand:

no errors in the log

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iamlindoro:

.21 recording requires virgin sacrifice

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hnitsuj:

broken!

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Dagmar:

Time to head to the preschool then

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Dagmar:

It's the only way to be sure, nowadays

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hnitsuj:

woo yea I finally got my sticky hands on a sound clip of Pastor Jimmy Snow preaching against rock & roll :)

[12:39:19]

sphery:

Dagmar: what do you mean about not being able to add new file extensions for MythVideo? I haven't seen a bug report on that.

[12:39:42]

Dagmar:

One sec and I'll explain

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hnitsuj:

reminds me I still need to think about why jpg is classed as a default viewable extension

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iamlindoro:

hnitsuj: He some crazy crazy fundie minister?

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Dagmar:

beating up the voicemail system here

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xand:

also, mythbackend using 20% CPU... it never does that for me >.<

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** xand restarts it **

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hnitsuj:

iamlindoro: kind of.. there are transcripts available...

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sphery:

xand: sounds like your capture devices are not properly configured on the system (or--less likely--within Myth)

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Dagmar:

sphery: Anyway, the upgrade from 0.20-fixes to 0.21 install I did doens't appear to think flv is a valid file type for viewing in MythVideo anymore. I figured, no big deal, I'll just go and add it

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Dagmar:

I went into the sparse little screen where one adds to that list, added FLV and exited, no change. Went back in, and FLV is gone.

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Dagmar:

er by "no change" I mean it refused to see the FLV files

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xand:

sphery: very doubtful unless they suddenly deconfigured themselves last night

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Dagmar:

Could be something broken in my db, could be a bug. I've not reported it yet because I JUST noticed it the othre day and haven't had time to poke more closely at it

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sphery:

Interesting. I used that screen to change some associations (though I didn't add any).

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MaverickTech:

iamlindoro: rebuilt – confirmed as fixed :D

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: I have something for you to try as a workaround... add flv, then add some other nonsense extension right afterwards, *then* exit the screen

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: I saw taht behavior once a few months ago but it fixed itself, but that worked at the time

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iamlindoro:

MaverickTech: I'm not just making this stuff up, after all ;)

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I'll try that acutally, although by side effect and out of paranoia I added "flv" and then "FLV" and they both appeared on the screen as "FLV" but after exiting that menu and going back in they were both equally gone

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Dagmar:

...which leads me to believe that new writes to that table just aren't happening.

[12:43:14]

iamlindoro:

ah, ok

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iamlindoro:

yeah, sounds like

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sphery:

Dagmar: Also, you might want to try switching themes. I know that sounds stupid, but some of the changes to the themes result in weird behaviors with invalid themes.

[12:43:34]

Dagmar:

Yeah I've got that in mind

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xand:

hmm

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** xand goes to stab aerial cables **

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Dagmar:

The pretty little theme I was using with 0.21 makes MythWeatehr look like total shit on a widescreen, so I've already got incentive to revert that out

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Dagmar:

Hhe

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sphery:

You're right, though, that it could be an issue with the MySQL... Done an optimize_mythdb.pl recently?

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Dagmar:

sphery: Haven't done any of that since I found it

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Dagmar:

I work a kinda screwed up schedule what allows me little time in FRONT of the equipment, but lots of time to tinker remotely

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sphery:

Annoying, then, needing to test a GUI config screen...

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Dagmar:

12 hour work shifts == get up, eat, clean self, go to work, go home, eat, sleep, repeat with damn near nothing in between

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sphery:

IT people aren't supposed to do the clean self thing... ;)

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Dagmar:

I spotted this on Friday and I'm not off again until noonish today

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Dagmar:

I do

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Dagmar:

Me and my equipment are almost permanently imbued with a faint smell of soap

[12:46:25]

Dagmar:

This is also why I got so excited about hearing greyfoxx say there was basically a "take screenshot" entry in the telnet remote interface now

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xand:

grrrrr

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Dagmar:

Like, "w00t! No more stopping the frontend and restarting it under screen with crazy crippledy options just to see what changes I made"

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sphery:

Dagmar: Yeah. And eventually it will get support for the Xv screenshot interface when playing back video with Xv.

[12:47:42]

Dagmar:

It's a right _bitch_ to steal the cookies through /proc

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hnitsuj:

argghhh damn oss projects hosted on sourceforge!

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sphery:

Well, good luck with the MV stuff. If it is a bug, I'm sure it will be fixed quickly once reported.

[12:48:53]

hnitsuj:

maybe I shoulda moved my themes to there – nobody could get em then!!! muhahahaha

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Dagmar:

sphery: Meh. This one doesn't look like it involves a lot of code. I'll probably just fix it and submit if I find that it is in fact a bug

[12:50:06]

sphery:

Cool. Even better.

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neb_:

might this be slowing the channel changing? http://pastebin.com/d72bd22a6

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sphery:

neb_: Shouldn't be affecting video playback as it's a completely separate thread.

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sphery:

neb_: However, the root cause of that error (i.e. inaccessible files/files that can't be read for a while) may have something to do with it...

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Dagmar:

Another form of "user doesn't have DMA enabled on his disks" yathink?

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Dagmar:

HAH

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neb_:

hmm

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Dagmar:

Looking at the history on the OSD development guide page, I guess it's a safe bet not much has changed in that code

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Dagmar:

I was rather hoping OSD themes would be able to do something other than 640x480 by now

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freezeman:

What shall I think about when I chose the card to go for?

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bunder:

morning... lets try this again :) how do i use "record n episodes" "delete oldest if recording exceeds limit" without re-recording what it deletes?

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bunder:

i swear its recorded the same episode a few times already, i mean i could delete the recordings myself, but that's a pain

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freezeman:

What shall I think about when I decide which card to go for?

[13:16:30]

hnitsuj:

well, got my epia ready for the fleabay :)

[13:16:58]

tank-man:

bunder, it is recording them cause it thinks you didnt watch them

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tank-man:

you have to delete them to let it know you have watched it

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bunder:

yeah, that's what i was thinking... there no other way around it?

[13:18:33]

tank-man:

like having the computer read your mind?

[13:18:50]

bunder:

maybe i should just turn it off and let autoexpire do its thing... but my raid0 array chugs at the end of the disks :S

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tank-man:

how is the computer supose to know you have watched them or not (wanting to keep them or not)

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tank-man:

leave some more slack space on the drive

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bunder:

well, it could go by wheter i put in cutpoints or not

[13:19:30]

bunder:

no cutpoints, no watch

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tank-man:

you can set mythtv to leave x gigs of space on the recording drive

[13:20:03]

bunder:

yeah i had to do that anyways, i have other stuff stored on that partition

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Dagmar:

tank-man: libfatpsychiclady support is ongoing, but progress is slow because of the alpha status of the library.

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tank-man:

:)

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bunder:

gah, i guess i'll have to use that powersearch again and use "record new only" :S

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hnitsuj:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/323467 – muhahahhahaa

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hnitsuj:

time for a new un soon then :)

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neb_:

sphery: just to clarify, playback is absolutely fine – its the actual switch to another channel

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hnitsuj:

Dagmar: if anything is in the wiki I guess it's a safe bet nobody has updated it in ages

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Dagmar:

Well, I had hopes of taking advantage of potentially greater image granularity

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Dagmar:

At the moment, all OSDs are going to be blurry by design, and even more obviously so on HD displays

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hnitsuj:

AFAIK the OSD can be any resolution you want. sure gbee checked a change in ages ago

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Dagmar:

Really?

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Dagmar:

Excellent then

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hnitsuj:

I'm 80% certain

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Dagmar:

\It would be very nice to have greater granulatity in the display of the cutlist

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hnitsuj:

aha! http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14933

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Dagmar:

Seeing all the cutlist windows be only as wide as 4:3 is kind of disappointing

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Dagmar:

Hopefully when I get home i'll; figure out where to flip on GL for the OSD so it'll stop taking on the resolution of the media, and subsequently stretching when the video is rescaled

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hnitsuj:

Dagmar: all that remains is for the same to happen to gui themes, then true 1080 will be possible

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hnitsuj:

I CBA with that though

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hnitsuj:

folks whined enough about blootube-wide eating memory like a bastard

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Dagmar:

They should buy moar rams then

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hnitsuj:

well, if I don't do anything else there's nowt for anybody to whine about :)

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Dagmar:

Pfft.

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Dagmar:

borders are for pushing against

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Dagmar:

...otherwise they'd be middles.

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Zombie:

For some reason, my DVD Burning feature of Myth is causing my box to hard lock.

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Dagmar:

So break the problem down

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Dagmar:

Use dvdrecord manually, see if it crashes the box stsill, etc

[15:08:40]

Dagmar:

...or talk to the people who made your binaries.

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Zombie:

Does MythTV have any Kernel hooks?

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Dagmar:

Nothing important, which is why I suggested making sure cdrecord/dvdrecord isn't crashing the machine outright.

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Dagmar:

That's the only part of that whole operation that would be likely to hard-crash a machine

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Zombie:

How could I diagnose if DVD Record was infact the issue?

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iamlindoro:

"Dagmar: Use dvdrecord manually, see if it crashes the box stsill, etc"

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Dagmar:

I've been doing this kinda stuff a loooong time

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Dagmar:

heh

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Zombie:

I wonder if I can stream my Myth PVR Data to another Myth Frontend on another box.

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Dagmar:

You can

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Dagmar:

One sec

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Dagmar:

Read this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview

[16:08:26]

Dagmar:

Once you have a clear picture in your mind as to "how the pieces fit together" it actually becomes pretty easy.

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Dagmar:

Just one caveat: Life is MUCH easier when, if you have your recordings stored on your main backend under a directory named say, "/space/recordings", if you _export_ the /space directory and mount it on all the others at "/space" on them so the same path (/space/recordings) applies to all the machines involved.

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Dagmar:

Some bits get their media for playing back through the backend, others get it by reading the files directly, so you avoid a whole mess of bother by just making things have the same pathname everywhere.

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Frosty-:

Dagmar, I'm not so sure my problem is to do with the driver.

[16:19:59]

Frosty-:

Remember 1 tuner loses lock, just the one

[16:20:04]

Frosty-:

I thought I had to reload the driver

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Dagmar:

So, we've been over how this isn't a liberal art, right?

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Frosty-:

but all I have to do is reload mythtv-backend

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neb_:

didn't i say that?

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neb_:

:p

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mkrufky:

does anybody want to test new atsc110/115 support for rf input switching?

[16:20:45]

Frosty-:

yeah you did neb_

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Dagmar:

directhex *seemed* to know rather specifically what was going on there, and I'd kinda like to know it but I didn't catch him mentioning it yesterday

[16:21:32]

Dagmar:

If simply getting the backend to reinit the tuners will do the trick, ther'es a hook you can use to get the time of the next scsheduled recording

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mkrufky:

thats interesting... is it a driver issue?

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Dagmar:

Say five minutes before that would be a good time to kick the backend

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directhex:

the nova-t 500 is notorious

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Dagmar:

When I googled it yesterday I saw a LOT of people reporting his same issue

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Dagmar:

...on _more_ than just Linux

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neb_:

Frosty-: just out of interest, do you get 'Preview Error's in your backend log?

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directhex:

the myth wiki page on the card *specifically* cites issues where 1 but not t'other tuner stops behaving

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Frosty-:

I've gone a roundabout fashion and scripted a restart of the backend once an hour, unless the status port /xml says its already recording

[16:22:41]

Frosty-:

I get preview errors if a recording was missing

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neb_:

what about on live tv?

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mkrufky:

i wonder if that problem might be a symptom of the dibcom demods going into diversity mode

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Frosty-:

directhex, the linuxtv also has the same thing on their wiki but claim its fixed in latest, but its not :)

[16:23:55]

Frosty-:

the wiki edit is 6 months old too

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Frosty-:

I'm gonna buy 2x nova-t

[16:24:11]

Frosty-:

chuck this thing away, I could dip it in water and claim it broke

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mkrufky:

there's a windows utility that switches the card from diversity mode into dual dvr mode (and vice versa) ... if one would just sniff the usb traffic while using that utility, the problem could probably be solved

[16:26:01]

Frosty-:

you think it may be going into diversity mode unintentionally?

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directhex:

is the diversity even supported?

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Dagmar:

Frosty: Yeah I saw them saying it's fixed. I would call them out on their user list about that, or at least check the docs/changlog for the release where they say it's fixed and see if there's some footnote in there explaining _what_ they did to fix it

[16:27:17]

Dagmar:

Could be there's a module option like staythehellawake=1 you need to pass to the module now

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Frosty-:

I added the usbcore option, as mentioned on their wiki, autosuspend=-1, how do I find out if that has been set? They claimed the usb hub on the card was being suspended

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mkrufky:

im just saying, it sounds like a similar bug ive seen in windows, where it is in diversity mode (but you expected dual dvr mode) so one tuner appears to not work

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Frosty-:

I couldn't find it in /proc

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Dagmar:

Minus one?

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mkrufky:

i dont think diversity mode is supported in linux

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Dagmar:

You're sure they mean for you to tell it _minus_ one?

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Frosty-:

yeah, -1, 2.6.22 changed something

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Dagmar:

It's damn rare that a kernel module takes a _signed_ in

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Dagmar:

t

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mkrufky:

but maybe the hardware is in diversity mode, as the result of some other bug

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directhex:

Dagmar, http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /024094.html

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Frosty-:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_W . . . one_tuner.3F

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Dagmar:

Wow that's honestly the first time I've seen any module take signed parameters

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Dagmar:

Frosty-: Do step 3a, then run `depmod -a` (THIS is what it's actually for) and your problem _should_ go away unless something else is making it happen, in which case the devs would want you to let them know about it

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Frosty-:

I've followed that, and have the option and rebooted

[16:32:39]

Frosty-:

They paste things in the user list with logs from the driver itself

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Frosty-:

but can't find how to enable logs other than "Found card, adding firmware"

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Dagmar:

`modinfo modulename`

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Dagmar:

Somethin' might be named "verbose" (it can happen)

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Dagmar:

...or read through the user list and find where someone said what they were doing to make them more verbose.

[16:35:12]

Deek:

Dagmar: You keep giving out completely wrong info.

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Deek:

depmod -a does no such thing

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Deek:

rmmod or modprobe -d

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Frosty-:

I don't think my usb option has been taken

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Frosty-:

http://www.pastebin.ca/944978

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directhex:

Deek, modprobe -r

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Dagmar:

Okay, wtf

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directhex:

Frosty-, your usbcore is a module?

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Dagmar:

That says int there, not signed in

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Dagmar:

Lemme look at hte source on this

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Deek:

directhex: indeed

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Frosty-:

directhex, just about everything is a module with debian's installer kernel

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Dagmar:

By the way, nothing on that screen indicates that the module argument was not accepted

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Dagmar:

You dont' get that kind of intel on the box *after* modules ahve been loaded

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Frosty-:

oh so modinfo just tells you the parameters it can take, not the currently set ones

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Dagmar:

Simply putting the option in that file, running depmod, and then removing and reloading usbcore should have made it apply

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Dagmar:

Hah

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Dagmar:

This is why

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Dagmar:

/usr/src/linux/drivers/usb/core/usb.c, line um...

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Dagmar:

57 looks like

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Dagmar:

It IS an int

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Frosty-:

hmm, wouldn't it crash then? :s

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Dagmar:

Not immediately, but it might result in you having a timeout value of 65535 seconds instead of disabling it

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Dagmar:

'bout 18 hours or so

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Dagmar:

Keep in mind that signed or not, it's still going to be the same number of bits, so there's sort of side-effect people use when loading an unsigned int with a negative number

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Dagmar:

To keep me from typing a crapton of zeros, an 8 bit int unsigned containing 11111111 is 255. This same value as a *signed* int is -127

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Dagmar:

or -1

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Dagmar:

I really need some farking coffee like right @!#$#@ now

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Dagmar:

That was a really stupid mistake

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Dagmar:

Anyway, think of it like this... loading a negative number into an unsigned int basically amkes it count backwards from the maximum size

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Frosty-:

effectively meaning it'll never suspend

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Frosty-:

I guess there is logic

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Dagmar:

Well, after 65535 seconds it will

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Dagmar:

...which seems pretty reasonable

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Dagmar:

Cheap-ass solution...

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Frosty-:

true

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Frosty-:

not that it works, I still lose a tuner :P

[16:50:52]

Frosty-:

gonna post on their dev after dinner, and order 2x single tuners monday morning

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Dagmar:

Set a one minute recording job that is explicitly stored in teh LiveTV group (so you never see it) that triggers every four hours, with the lowest priority possible.

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Frosty-:

maybe I can get 4 tuners some day

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Dagmar:

That should keep the damn thing from allowing anything to go to sleep

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Dagmar:

If you can't beat the problem, squeeeeeze the breath out of it

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Dagmar:

_Lowest_ priority so that anything that wants/needs to can override it

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Dagmar:

*snap* Yes coffee does a brain good.

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Dagmar:

*foreheadsmack* 32-bit system, 32-bit int. See kids, this is what we get for always letting the compiler control the data sizes... we forget things

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Dagmar:

So -1 into an unsigned 32 bit int is going to be more like _years_

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kisak:

hello folks

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Dagmar:

Without it, the default is 2 seconds if I read hte source right

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kisak:

I need some info on mythweb

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Dagmar:

No info without specific questions.

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Dagmar:

Them's the rules.

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kisak:

it's mythweb-0.21_p16468 on gentoo and apache

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kisak:

and I'm getting internal server errors when I try direct download

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Dagmar:

Somone made a distribution named Apache? THat doesn't seem right

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Dagmar:

So check the web servers error_log

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kisak:

ok

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Dagmar:

Internal Server Error generally means the perl or PHP script bombed out, and it will write to stderr, which gets dumped into the error_log verbatim.

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Dagmar:

That error message should tell us exactly what went wrong, although I suspect you're missing a perl module

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Dagmar:

Trivial2fix

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kisak:

*jaw dropper*

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kisak:

"[Sun Mar 16 12:57:48 2008] [error] (13)Permission denied: exec of '/var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/mythweb.pl' failed"

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Dagmar:

Okay, so you missed a bit when you included mythweb.conf.apache

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Dagmar:

Either that or the perl script somehow got marked non-executeable

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kisak:

that perl script just got swapped out

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kisak:

webapp-config

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Dagmar:

So make sure the new one is _executable_+

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Dagmar:

755 not 644 dig?

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kisak:

I dig

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Dagmar:

It's either that or you really boned the mythweb.conf.apache and managed to somehow allow ExecCGI for PHP scripts but not perl scripts

[17:01:51]

Dagmar:

That would require some thinking to make happen on purpose. It's doubtful an accident could do it. :P)

[17:02:04]

Dagmar:

MOre likely mythweb.pl is makred 644

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kisak:

there is negligable difference between the mythweb.conf and the mythweb.conf.apache

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Dagmar:

Well, like I said, it's more likely the permissions on mythweb.pl are just messed up

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kisak:

like DB user and password, access restriction, and the install location

[17:05:16]

kisak:

why was it not executable before?

[17:05:37]

kisak:

is the gentoo ebuild damaged or the repo changed?

[17:05:57]

kisak:

should I go hassle some gentoo channel instead of here?

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kisak:

I'll do that

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darkwizzard:

hello

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darkwizzard:

can anyone help me fix my ati video

[17:38:11]

darkwizzard:

i wanted to use my ati video card

[17:38:21]

darkwizzard:

but xserver crashes

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Frosty-:

any sort of error?

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Frosty-:

did it say why it crashed?

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darkwizzard:

says failed to load speedo

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javatexan:

if I dont have the cable hooked up...is there still a way to look at the schedules direct guide?

[17:57:37]

javatexan:

right now its all blank.

[17:58:07]

javatexan:

as far as I know to check...but it runs the mythfilldb

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kisak:

It's me againg

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Frosty-:

oh god

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Frosty-:

:P

[18:12:53]

** kisak does a facesmack **

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** Frosty- runs **

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Wonka:

any idea why i have only eit data from one frequency since 0.21?

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Frosty-:

I had similar Wonka, I deleted cards and source, and started again

[18:14:13]

Wonka:

Frosty-: already did that

[18:14:31]

Wonka:

Frosty-: dropped the whole database and started over

[18:14:40]

Frosty-:

I've done that too :)

[18:14:56]

kisak:

on gentoo, mythtv-0.21_p16483 broke surround sound for me

[18:15:02]

Wonka:

still only scan data from that very same frequency

[18:15:14]

Wonka:

all four programs there

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Wonka:

but not the other 20, which it found during channel scan though.

[18:15:31]

Frosty-:

any errors in backend log?

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kisak:

what can I do to get surround sound back?

[18:17:34]

Wonka:

Frosty-: last I saw was about "program not found in PAT" – and then it lists the content of one frequency and complains that some program from another is not in there

[18:17:37]

kisak:

a horde of these: "2008-03–16 14:00:25.392 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!"

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Frosty-:

I can prod and help with debugging but I'm afraid I'm no expert :)

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kisak:

well, there's a clog in the pipeline, it's as simple as that

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iamlindoro__:

OT, but if anyone was in to the "Discovery Atlas HD" shows, any idea when they are airing the four new ones? They've aired them abroad a *long* time ago and I'd really like to get them

[18:43:34]

iamlindoro__:

That is, airing them in the US

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houlnx:

how do I get surround (6+ channel) content with mythstream?

[18:43:58]

houlnx:

most stations there are 2 channel stereo

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iamlindoro__:

houlnx: As it's not an official Myth plugin, best to approach the developer of that plugin-- My guess would be a modification of the xml that sets the mplayer options, personally, but I don't use it

[18:45:09]

houlnx:

ok thanks lamlindoro_

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iamlindoro__:

actually, I think it's a pretty good gues :) If you figure out what the mplayer line is to invoke the pls file it's downloading w/ ac=6, then you should just be able to dump it in there

[18:45:46]

houlnx:

does anyone have a working radio hd or surround station?

[18:46:26]

houlnx:

I am looking for an example online surround stream/station to test

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houlnx:

np. I'll do downstairs and play around with my setup for a while.

[18:51:53]

Wonka:

gaahrgh.

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Wonka:

mythtv-setup dies again and again with this:

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Wonka:

mythtv-setup: ../../src/xcb_lock.c:77: _XGetXCBBuffer: Assertion `((int) ((xcb_req) – (dpy->request)) >= 0)' failed.

[18:52:48]

darkwizzard:

iamlindoro

[18:52:53]

iamlindoro__:

?

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darkwizzard:

i have a problem with nivida card

[18:53:21]

darkwizzard:

well i hooked into my projector

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darkwizzard:

it shakes alot

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iamlindoro__:

ok... so why specifically me? Why not just ask?

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darkwizzard:

well u usally one that answers my question

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iamlindoro__:

What shakes a lot? The whole output or just when watching TV thorough myth?

[18:54:23]

darkwizzard:

whole out put

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darkwizzard:

like bouncing

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iamlindoro__:

hmm, weird-- what interface are you using?

[18:54:41]

darkwizzard:

vga

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iamlindoro__:

ahh

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iamlindoro__:

no HDMI/DVI available?

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darkwizzard:

nope

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darkwizzard:

i have dvi i

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darkwizzard:

one with – 4 pins

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darkwizzard:

but only my ati has it

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darkwizzard:

not nvidia

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iamlindoro__:

Ah-- well if I had to guess I'd say the modelines were probably set wrong-- how did you configure your x settings?

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iamlindoro__:

Simplest solution might be to buy a $30 nvidia card with DVI, you'd get a much nicer picture that way too

[18:56:48]

darkwizzard:

i reconfigure by ati one

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iamlindoro__:

but if you *must* make the VGA work then I'd suggest using the nvidia-xconfig tool while plugged in to the projector with it on, and see if the nvidia tools sets up better modelines

[18:58:11]

darkwizzard:

how do i run a .run file

[18:58:15]

iamlindoro__:

In the long run it's be worth it to get DVI across the board, though, and you could get a nice nV card with DVI for next to nothing

[18:58:16]

darkwizzard:

in termal

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iamlindoro__:

darkwizzard: extensions don't really mean anything in linux, what are you trying to run? Trying to upgrade nV drivers or something?

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darkwizzard:

i unstalled my graphic drivers

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darkwizzard:

to install ati ones

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pembo13:

at what paths does mythbackend expect mysql.txt ?

[18:59:15]

iamlindoro__:

huh?

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darkwizzard:

but now i forget the command to restall them

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iamlindoro__:

wait, so is it an ATI card or an Nvidia card you're trying to get working?

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: ~/.mythtv of the user invoking it, or /etc/mythtv

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darkwizzard:

i tried both

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: thanks

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darkwizzard:

i wanted ati one

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iamlindoro__:

I can't help with/support any ATI card, you're on your own for that

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darkwizzard:

how do i reinstall nvidia

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iamlindoro__:

darkwizzard: look up a howto for your distro and the nvidia proprietary driver

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darkwizzard:

says to run this command in termal

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darkwizzard:

NVIDIA-Linux-x86–169.07-pkg1.run

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darkwizzard:

but it says no such command

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iamlindoro__:

if you have their package you'd stop X and your WM so that you were all the way out to non-graphical mode, then sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86–169.07-pkg1.run

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darkwizzard:

thank u

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iamlindoro__:

np

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__ i have a '/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt' and mythtv seems to be ignoring it

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darkwizzard:

ati one is nice card

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: so figure out which user runs the mythbackend process and change their ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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iamlindoro__:

darkwizzard: ATI is less than useless in linux/Myth

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: is there a reason that it wouldn't check that location?

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: because there's an existing one in the ~/.mythtv/mysql for the backend user and it got to it first

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iamlindoro__:

er sorry ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: the user running the backend (if you start it by script) is usually set in the init script, so you can check which user that is in there... in the case of *buntu I believe it's a line right at teh beginning that starts USER=

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: but if I had to go out on a limb and guess, I'd bet the file you want is /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: yes, im just investigating a bug relating to this, and wanted to know what it is supposed to... i have a fair idea of how it works

[19:08:12]

iamlindoro__:

pembo13: What bug?

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: was just fetching the url, http://bugzilla.atrpms.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1258

[19:10:10]

iamlindoro__:

pembo13: Shows as fixed-- started happening again?

[19:10:22]

iamlindoro__:

or still on .20?

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: the fix came in this morning, well the bug report of the fix, just updates to .21 and testing it out

[19:10:58]

iamlindoro__:

I know that there were some changes made to the init script that broke it on fedora about a month ago, and then those got fixed, so I guess it wouldn't surprise me

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: ah, I gotcha

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: he set MYTHCONFDIR which I guess defaulted to /etc/mythtv

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: do you remember if any of your qam channels use mp2 audio?

[19:13:11]

iamlindoro__:

CCFL_Man2: You've asked me this like three times-- they're still all AC3 ;)

[19:13:26]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: not you i haven't

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iamlindoro__:

CCFL_Man2: Yes, I promise you have

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iamlindoro__:

three times

[19:13:46]

iamlindoro__:

and I've answered... three times. :)

[19:13:51]

CCFL_Man2:

lol

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CCFL_Man2:

my mind is going

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iamlindoro__:

CCFL_Man2: Narrowed it down to the STB or the IRD yet?

[19:14:19]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: it's the stb

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CCFL_Man2:

my tuner card picks it up fine, i'm listening to radio right now

[19:14:47]

flyback:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI-ENqgjQXM# <-- this isn't the one in NY but it shows what happens when dipshits ignore safety rules like "don't freaking operate a crane in high winds" unfortunitely there were 4 workers in that basket in the background crane when it's cable got severed

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iamlindoro__:

CCFL_Man2: Ah, well that's not too bad, at least

[19:15:27]

** iamlindoro__ is going to sell all his stock when his company gets bought and move to Belize... *then* he'll set up a huge sat dish ;) **

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iamlindoro__:

flyback: 11 more injured on the ground, too

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: yeah, all the expensive important equipment works perfectly, as it should, i'm just not sure if newer boxes support it

[19:16:05]

iamlindoro__:

and sadly, probably more in the wreckage

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tafkaz:

hi there... first of all thank you for the magnificent 0.21 !

[19:18:57]

tafkaz:

great improvements...i most like the multiplex feature

[19:19:18]

tafkaz:

i have a slight problem though now with watchin some dvds

[19:19:27]

jams:

alright who broke optimize_mythdb.pl by assuming that upnp was used.

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: There were a number of bugs that crept in to DVD playback with the initial .21--- ought to update to .21-fixes newest version if you haven't already

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Anduin:

tafkaz: Which revision?

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tafkaz:

oh !

[19:20:10]

tafkaz:

thats cool

[19:20:17]

tafkaz:

good to hear

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iamlindoro__:

probably ought to answer Anduin though as he'd have more precise info

[19:20:29]

tafkaz:

ok

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Anduin:

Running latest fixes is always good to try though

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tafkaz:

Anduin, dont know really...let me have a look....i installed from ubuntu backports

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kabtoffe:

ubuntu backports version has dvdfix

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tafkaz:

gutsy-backports that is

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tafkaz:

oh...

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kabtoffe:

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv

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tafkaz:

well actually the Internal player has some problems with the sound on some (not all) dvds

[19:22:40]

tafkaz:

a52 doesnt seem to work with the Internal

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tafkaz:

no problem with mplayer or xine

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kabtoffe:

right. I haven't played any dvds, I just remember reading the changelog

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tafkaz:

and another thing i noticed: the commercial doesnt seem to skip automatically anymore

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tafkaz:

alltgough u can still skip em manually...they're recognized quite well still

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kabtoffe:

The automatic skip has always been very random for me. It works as randomly for me as before :)

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tafkaz:

lol...ok...well it used to work much better here

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: There's a selector for what behavior you want when you get to a commercial flag point

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: you think a new samsung hdtv tuner will work with mp2 audio?

[19:25:56]

iamlindoro__:

skip, notify, etc.

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tafkaz:

well...no...have to correct myself...

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iamlindoro__:

CCFL_Man2: Why Samsung?

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: what else can i use?

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tafkaz:

the comm is still recognized but it doesnt skip automatically anymore... i will have to do that manually

[19:26:46]

iamlindoro__:

CCFL_Man2: Do you just want to do QAM tuning, or??

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tafkaz:

iamlindoro, i know....and i think i told it to skip auto

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: Playback settings page 8

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tafkaz:

lemme have a look

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: i want atleast a working stb that'll do qam with mp2 audio

[19:28:02]

iamlindoro__:

CCFL_Man2: I have just never dealt with Samsung tuners, but I guess I'm suspicious of a "consumer brand name" STB

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tafkaz:

it is set to automatic

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: ahh, what do you suggest i use?

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: But commflagging is still running, huh?

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CCFL_Man2:

can i use a cable box somehow

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tafkaz:

yup...only not skipping auto

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iamlindoro__:

CCFL_Man2: The only STBs I have dealt with, really, are SA and Moto

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tafkaz:

what does this new merge short.... thingie do there

[19:29:13]

iamlindoro__:

CCFL_Man2: and if the Moto boxes didn't do it I'd be *shocked*... but who knows how much of their headend equip you have to buy in to to get them to work

[19:29:16]

tafkaz:

it is set to 0 (disabled)

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tafkaz:

here

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: select it and read the "tool tip"ish thing at the bottom

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: thats the thing, they don't have no user setup or anything

[19:29:54]

iamlindoro__:

and 0 is default, shouldn't affect normal skipping

[19:30:06]

tafkaz:

yeah....if i would understand a word of that ! ;-)

[19:30:16]

pembo13:

ok, i just running mythfrontend for the first tiem after updating to .21..

[19:30:41]

pembo13:

two problems: the interface (when watching tv, is noticeably jerky, maybe even a bit blury

[19:30:52]

anykey_:

When I load guide data using mythfilldatabase --file the disk load on the box goes high and picture starts to get choppy. Would it help to put the database on an XFS partition? Or is there another tweak?

[19:30:59]

pembo13:

and i can;t seem to switch to my second card using the 'y' keyboard key

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: It helps when commercial flagging sees your one commercial break as a few small ones. It lets you merge those erroneous ones together

[19:31:33]

tafkaz:

ohh thats pretty helpful !

[19:31:42]

tafkaz:

i will try that

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tafkaz:

for a bit

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: You'll need to explore playback profiles for the first one, as you are at the defaults right now (TV Settings-Playback Page 3) and the second would probably be illuminated in the backend log

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tafkaz:

but the sound issue with dvds is pretty strange dont you think

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: just no surround, or...?

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__ that even affects the blue bar that shows the current channel and synopsis?

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tafkaz:

as mplayer n xine have no probs with sound...

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tafkaz:

iamlindoro, no just stereo

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tafkaz:

the sound is all metalic fuzzy

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: Yeah, it can

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pembo13:

i see, ok

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: with the xv-blit renderer (default) the OSD is drawn as part of the video frame rather than a seperate surface, so that would do it

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tafkaz:

but not with all dvds...namely i discovered that now with one marx bros dvd i have, which i know was working bvefore

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: undertood, going through all the settings now

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: Hmm, not sure about it, but you might look at the general settings page re: audio as there are a lot of new audio settings

[19:34:12]

iamlindoro__:

well, not new so much as different

[19:34:21]

iamlindoro__:

well... different and new... but not more :)

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tafkaz:

lol... itried allready nearly everything there

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kabtoffe:

tafkaz: yeah. If you use spdif, you shouldn't use the upmix or whatever it's called

[19:35:22]

kabtoffe:

so no 5.1 there

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tafkaz:

well never mind...i will try more on that issue

[19:35:50]

tafkaz:

the playback profiles settings is another thing

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tafkaz:

u dont expect me to understand that do u ? :-)

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iamlindoro__:

My preliminary take on playback profiles, which I've been using for a bit since they got put into trunk, is that they can be as complex or simple as you need them to be

[19:37:21]

iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: They're actually really simple-- they're "rules" that say "if a video is between this resolution and that resolution, use these settings

[19:37:32]

tafkaz:

hm...

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iamlindoro__:

so you can have different settings for, say, SD than you do for HD

[19:38:48]

tafkaz:

what would you suggest would be a good preset ?

[19:38:55]

tafkaz:

normal, cpu++

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: The presets included are not bad at all-- you should just try them out and see what suits you

[19:39:16]

iamlindoro__:

I don't use any of the presets myself

[19:39:21]

iamlindoro__:

But you can get to that later

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tafkaz:

ok i see

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iamlindoro__:

If you have processor to burn, start at CPU++ and work your way down if you see issues, or tweak it into something you like

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tafkaz:

ok we'll see

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a1fa:

hey

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a1fa:

is preview fixed in mythweb?

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iamlindoro__:

yes.

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__ returned everything to normal, prob 1 seems solved now... wish i understood what all the settings were about though

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: See what I wrote in the last few minutes to tafkaz, they're just rules that let you set different settings for different resolutions

[19:42:30]

iamlindoro__:

or ranges or resolutions, rather

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iamlindoro__:

ranges of

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tafkaz:

another quick one....where can i delete recording groups i made up by mistake

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tafkaz:

do i have to do that directly in the db ?

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: There's pretty much nothing the end user needs to do directly to the DB

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__ cool... normal works

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tafkaz:

ok

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tafkaz:

so ?

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: recording profiles or storage groups?

[19:44:16]

tafkaz:

storage groups

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iamlindoro__:

mythtv-setup, last option

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tafkaz:

uhh setup....ok

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tafkaz:

thanx

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iamlindoro__:

np

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tafkaz:

i will not do that now...as i am recording hitchhikers guide to galaxy...

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tafkaz:

LOL

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tafkaz:

but i was really near to say....yeah ok...just stop the backends

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tafkaz:

puhhh

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iamlindoro__:

we've all done it at some point

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tafkaz:

hehe

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tafkaz:

the one time something really cool is on tv !

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iamlindoro__:

Heck, I know a bit about what I'm doing and still managed to bone something and lock my backend machine last night while recording

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tafkaz:

hehe

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tafkaz:

man....dont know if you are one of the developers...but....wow....i am using myth for about half a year now....and man...

[19:47:39]

tafkaz:

i just dont know at all what i have been doing all those years before

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iamlindoro__:

I'm not :) But they *are* in here and I'm sure they appreciate the kind words

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iamlindoro__:

given the amount of total childish bitching that goes on here, especially

[19:48:23]

tafkaz:

as much as i think noone really needs the i-phone... i really think EVERYONE needs myth

[19:48:41]

tafkaz:

and it is always getting more sexy

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tafkaz:

isnt it

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tafkaz:

btw. havent managed to get mythmovies to run....anyone has ?

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: Works okay for me but I install from source. No concept of what if any differences there might be in packaged versions

[19:50:31]

tafkaz:

i dont really mind if theres no grabber for germany....at least i havent found any...

[19:50:36]

iamlindoro__:

I have heard from a person or two that they have issues with it, though, just haven't ever had any myself

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tafkaz:

but what do you have in the grabber field ?

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iamlindoro__:

the default, ignyte

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hachi:

so I just wrote myself a little service that puts season and episode numbers into the description column of recorded programs that it can sort out the context of

[19:51:38]

tafkaz:

would u be so kind and give me the complete entry...i think i also messed it up by changing it

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iamlindoro__:

hachi: Cool. I know that show/ep organization is on-deck for .22

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: hang on

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tafkaz:

k

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hachi:

however... there seems to be some caching or something in the mythweb interface

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hachi:

so it never shows up

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hachi:

and is driving me batty, cause that's about 95% of the reason I did this

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: /usrbin/ignyte --zip %z --radius %r

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iamlindoro__:

er /usr/bin

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hachi:

anyone know how to flush the cache or whatever?

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tafkaz:

sure...thanx

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pembo13:

did the shortcut key to change tuners just change or something?

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hachi:

aww hell, maybe you guys use memcache

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pembo13:

i used to press 'Y' to switch before

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: nope, still Y

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: i see no errors in the logs

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__ and the info center shows two tuners

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: both with the same lineup?

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: yup... that's how i had set them up at least

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hachi:

nope, still crap

[19:53:58]

iamlindoro__:

pembo13: Yep, that *is* new

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tafkaz:

and what zipcode will definetly work ?

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: But not just you, and not a bug AFAIK

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: I am in 95136

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tafkaz:

dont want to tell me yours !

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tafkaz:

ok !

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tafkaz:

thanx ;-)

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: sorry, don't understand what you're suggesting

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: as far as I can tell, if they are on the same lineup, it will keep you on the higher priority one no matter what, but if you start a recording on it, then when you watch live TV you will find yourself on the other one

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tafkaz:

WOWOWOW !

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tafkaz:

it worx !

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: i see, so i no longer have the option to switch at will?

[19:55:35]

iamlindoro__:

pembo13: I noticed that recently when I added a second firewire tuner, but it's also the case for my two QAM tuners

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hachi:

okay... so maybe I'm updating the wrong part of the database

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hachi:

is it not the 'description' column in recordedprogram?

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tafkaz:

hm...thought i could reach trailers though

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: ok.. i don't really have a problem with that, 'Y' was mostly a good way to test that both actually works

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hachi:

cause that column does contain that data, so something is pushing it in there

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: I *think* that's correct. At least, I no longer seem to either :) I know that some scheduler/tuner priority magic was recently added and I presumed that was part of it

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: it throws me to the lower priority one though, but that is probably because i told mythtv to try to avoid recording conflicts with the livetv

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: I completely understand, felt the same way here-- once I confirmed both still technically *worked* it didn't bother me any more

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: yep

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: Nope, no trailers in there

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tafkaz:

argh

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: so... what's the best way to confirm that both work? the lower priority one is a framegrabber, and every now adn then udev shits the dev path

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tafkaz:

well nice to see it workin

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: .. for the sound device

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: There is a little apple movie trailer scripticle thing that you can add for that, though

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tafkaz:

but then actually it doesnt make sense for me...

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tafkaz:

i know that one !

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tafkaz:

its pretty buggy

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tafkaz:

never mind....thanx for your help !

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iamlindoro__:

tafkaz: Yup, I'd never put it on my systems, personally

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iamlindoro__:

np

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tafkaz:

have a nice day !

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: Start a recording up, then watch live TV ought to do it

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iamlindoro__:

you too, tafkaz

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: cool... will just have to redo my udev rules at some point then

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: one more q i think... does the newly added storage options i see in mythtv-setup mean I can set multiple dirs and it will overflow as necessary?

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: yep

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: sweet, was hoping that would be adde

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pembo13:

d

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iamlindoro__:

basically LVM-like without needing to use LVM... it sorts out which to put it in based on space, I/O load, etc.

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: i haven't noced any to set a priority however

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iamlindoro__:

noced?

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pembo13:

ie. i have a dedicated HDD, but if it ever fills, would like things to overflow to my other HDD

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pembo13:

noticed*

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hachi:

anyone? DB schema usage

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: I'm not sure which item gets weighted higher, space or priority, but I know they're both factors

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: i see, so the priority is determined, not explicity set\

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pembo13:

hmm

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iamlindoro__:

exactly

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iamlindoro__:

IIRC anyway

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pembo13:

wil probably play around with that at a later time, made enough changes for today

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Zombie:

I'm having some issues with Remote cliets.

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Zombie:

Can Remote Clients watch "Live TV"?

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iamlindoro__:

Yes

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iamlindoro__:

Hopefully you're not attempting to do so over the internet, even though that is also technically *possible*... it's fairly simple within the same network, and exactly what myth is designed to do

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pembo13:

Zombie: can confirm that that worls

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pembo13:

works*

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Zombie:

I'm having a hard time getting it to cooperate

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iamlindoro__:

Zombie: You'll need to be a heck of a lot more specific for anyone to help you, including backend and frontend logs

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Zombie:

Of course

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Zombie:

2008-03–16 16:07:14.512 TV Error: Failed to get recording show list

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pembo13:

Zombie: firewall open to backend?

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Zombie:

No firewalls.

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iamlindoro__:

Zombie: You need to use pastebin, and don't just paste anything that *looks* like an error to you, paste entire sections from both the frontend and backend logs

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pembo13:

Zombie: client needs to be able to access both the backend and the db, i would start with pings to make sure it has a route to those hosts

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pembo13:

Zombie: then verify that the backend is up and livetv works on the backend machine

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pembo13:

Zombie: then you can look at the remote machine closer to see what's going on

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Zombie:

LiveTV works on the backend

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pembo13:

Zombie: worked better than I expected, and with little effort for me

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iamlindoro__:

Aval0n: sorry, missed your PM and can't respond from this machine-- in answer to your question, nope-- don't think it'll happen, either.

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pembo13:

does any one know if 'MythTv Player' works with NUVs

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: The windows player thingie?

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iamlindoro__:

I expect it would

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: yup

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iamlindoro__:

I'm fairly certain it's also libavcodec based, so ought to be able to figure out NUV alright

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hachi:

anyone here have a clue? I'm getting no response on #mythtv either

[20:14:38]

pembo13:

iamlindoro__: gonna try it out

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hachi:

I kinda want to finish up this hack on mythtv and get on with my life... rather than shelving it

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: I'm uncertain how well-maintained it is though

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: know of any reliable ways to watch recordings from a windows box? just as i'm playing in mythtv, thoght i would check

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pembo13:

already have a myth client attached to my living room tv

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iamlindoro__:

pembo13: I suppose if you're adventurous you could compile myth on windows

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pembo13:

no thanks... i don't compile things in Windows unless i'm paid to do it

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iamlindoro__:

but most people are turned off by the 0 support and open scorn you're likely to get trying to do that :)

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Zombie:

http://pastebin.com/m1be1b987

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pembo13:

iamlindoro__: don't mind the lack of support, i'd scorn myself howeve

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pembo13:

r

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hachi:

lack of support?

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hachi:

I'm amazed that nobody knows the database

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iamlindoro__:

Zombie: Your mythbackend log has rolled over, that info is useless-- you need to post an older one or restart the backend, attempt to watch TV from another machine, and post that output

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iamlindoro__:

hachi: Huh?

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Zombie:

Alright

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hachi:

I'm getting the silent treatment on my question in here and #mythtv

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pembo13:

MythWeb seems like a fair way to do this, but not too important

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iamlindoro__:

hachi: You're not getting the silent treatment, nobody is getting *paid* to do this you know

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hachi:

maybe it's a warnock, but I find it a little annoying

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iamlindoro__:

most of us answer the questions that interest us. Other people are probably doing something they enjoy with their Sunday.

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flexy:

I have a bunch of unencrypted channels configured for one dvb card, and another bunch of encrypted configured for one dvb card with CAM. Seems to work, but with one little quirk... When watching live-tv, trying to change channels with up/down arrow (followed by select, to really change the channel), I don't get channels on other multiplexes while searching for the channel to select with the arrows... with channel number + select, I

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iamlindoro__:

and it's description in *recorded*, btw

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Zombie:

http://pastebin.com/d1fa00adf

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Zombie:

A clean log and Fresh restart.

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iamlindoro__:

Zombie: There's your problem

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iamlindoro__:

Zombie: MediaServer:: Loopback address specified – 127.0.0.1. Disabling UPnP

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Dagmar:

Ya gotta love the way Linux logs stuff

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hachi:

what the devil is 'recordedprogram' for?

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iamlindoro__:

Your backend is set to 127.0.0.1, you can't server anything using the loopback address

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hachi:

it looks like the same table

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hachi:

with the same data

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iamlindoro__:

er serve anything

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Zombie:

Siggested remedy?

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iamlindoro__:

Zombie: Change the address in mythtv-setup of your backend to a real IP address?

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Trubbis:

Does anyone have the problem where mythmusic wont play the files, everything looks normal except that the playback wont start...

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Zombie:

Like the IP Address of the machine?

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Zombie:

Its DHCP assigned, Can I use a Host name?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

Provided you set up DNS

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iamlindoro__:

Zombie: I would stop assigning it via DHCP, personally, or at least set your DHCP server to give the same address according to MAC

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Zombie:

I have DNS, and Kerberos, and LDAP, and Samba,

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iamlindoro__:

but to eash his own

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Dagmar:

Basically, you can't use 127.0.0.1 for it, but any other private IP block will work fine

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iamlindoro__:

each

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Dagmar:

You sure you don't want to break out the whip and smack yourself a few times first?

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Dagmar:

This will be much less painful than Kerberos and LDAP

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Dagmar:

....and I can only think people running those at home are into pain. Heh

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Static IP addresses are trivial to declare with DHCP

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iamlindoro__:

Dagmar: "at least set your DHCP server to give the same address according to MAC"

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Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/dhcpd.conf

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iamlindoro__:

Dagmar: I don't need a link, that's my own quote :)

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Dagmar:

hah

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't even consider bothering to move away from DHCP

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Dagmar:

Too easy to slap in static leases

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Dagmar:

Just edit the one file and yer done.

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Zombie:

http://pastebin.com/d360a5d15

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Dagmar:

DHCP :: Network settings Kerberos :: Authentication

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Dagmar:

Ugh

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Zombie:

My DHCP Leases and reservations are controlled by LDAP

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Dagmar:

Sphery knows how to fix that IIRC

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Dagmar:

Okay, now that's just perverted.

[20:32:01]

Dagmar:

But aside from that, you've got DB corruption

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iamlindoro__:

Zombie: That's a frontend log, the reason for that will be revealed on the backend

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Dagmar:

The MySQL error looks pretty guilty to me.

[20:33:23]

Trubbis:

why isn't my mythmusic playing anything?

[20:33:30]

** Trubbis so frustrated! **

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iamlindoro__:

yeah, but it still makes an attempt to watch TV after that

[20:33:45]

iamlindoro__:

I think the two, while both errors, are unrelated

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Dagmar:

Usign some pretty bogus data tho

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Dagmar:

EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

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Dagmar:

That looks to me like something wasn't checking the return status of that query that errored, and EXPECTED to get the information about what to show in the same stroek

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Zombie:

http://pastebin.com/d5fd203c8

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iamlindoro__:

Dagmar: That will show up on the frontend log any time it can't write the file on the backend

[20:34:28]

Dagmar:

...but instead has a nice big pile of zeroes

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iamlindoro__:

w/ the same dates every ti,e

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iamlindoro__:

time

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Dagmar:

Wow that's broken

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Dagmar:

What've people got against trapping errors?

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Thomas-:

Has there been any performance checking done on alwas streaming vs having all files available over NFS?

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Dagmar:

I bet the backend wasn't able to write to the database because the database is hosed

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iamlindoro__:

I'd agree

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Dagmar:

I'm not used to seeing the things enough to be sure about the duplicate key, but I *think* that means the bad bad thing about the table

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iamlindoro__:

I'm going to cite this next time some numbnuts says, "Oh, I'll just edit it in the database instead."

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Dagmar:

It could be talking about the keybindings for the frontend for all I know, but I have the feeling it's actually the duplicate key field in table

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** iamlindoro__ feels like he has that argument two times a day **

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Dagmar:

er a duplicate key in the table's key field that is

[20:38:04]

Dagmar:

Like, the thing mysqlcheck will refuse to repair

[20:39:42]

Dagmar:

Hmm...

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Dagmar:

Iamlindoro: "Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost"?

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iamlindoro__:

heh

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Dagmar:

Should it still be using that address for there? That might be an issue

[20:40:33]

iamlindoro__:

I've stopped looking ;)

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Zombie:

2008-03–16 16:39:06.448 SampleRate: Attempted to add a rate 32000 Hz, which is not in the list of allowed rates.

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Zombie:

What causes this?

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Dagmar:

Apparently a rate your tuner card doesn't like

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Zombie:

How can I switch it?

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PatrickDK:

why bother record anything other than 48000hz?

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Dagmar:

Recording profiles I think

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PatrickDK:

unless you can do 96000hz :)

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Dagmar:

PatrickDK has a point there.

[20:43:11]

xris:

hachi: program == listings data, recordedprogram == recorded program data

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xris:

listings data gets recycled.

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Dagmar:

In the grand scheme of things, the video part of the stream supremely dwarfs the audio.

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Trubbis:

howcome all my settings are still there after totaly removing mythmusic and reinstalling it???

[20:43:54]

Dagmar:

You could take the audio down to such awful resolution everyone would sound like a cyclon, and the overall file sizes would change by about 5%

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PatrickDK:

audio is normally around 5% of video

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Dagmar:

Trubbis: Because it stores that stuff in the database that you didn't scrub

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PatrickDK:

heh, cyclon's

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Dagmar:

The "audio cubism" you get at hellishly low sample rates makes for some cool special effects

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Trubbis:

Dagmar, how do i scrub that one?

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Dagmar:

Good luck

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Dagmar:

You'd have to know which tables to dump

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Trubbis:

oh, crap

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Dagmar:

With luck, they might be named something obvious

[20:45:52]

Trubbis:

my mythmusic wont play music anymore.......

[20:45:59]

Trubbis:

:C

[20:49:39]

Trubbis:

this guy seems to have had something similar to what I have: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Upgradin . . . _--_nmcclana

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Trubbis:

ah, sorry, that was with mythweb...

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flyback:

anyone know if it's possible to feed paper into a laserjet II manually without a paper tray?

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Dagmar:

Possible.

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Dagmar:

Whether the printout will be crooked is anyone's guess.

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Dagmar:

You just have to smart enough to know which paper sensors to bypass

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flyback:

yeah in other words no :P

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a1fa:

god damn windows movie maker

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a1fa:

WHAT A POS

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a1fa:

it froze up on me :(

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hachi:

xris: I wasn't talking about program vs recordedprogram

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hachi:

I was talking about recorded vs recordedprogram

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hachi:

they're the same bloody table on my machine, it seems

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hachi:

or rather, look the same

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hachi:

they're not an alias or anything

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xris:

hachi: recordedprogram will be bigger

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xris:

it's the record of everything that you've recorded.. recorded s just the stuff that's currently on disk.

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hachi:

why doesn't recorded point to rows in recordedprogram then?

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hachi:

massive duplication of columns and data

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Dagmar:

Lack of fun-factor.

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Egghead3:

is there a way to increase the display size of the coverfile images in mythvideo?

[21:04:03]

Dagmar:

Change the theme, as far as I know

[21:04:55]

Egghead3:

dagmar, yea it does seems to change the size from theme to theme

[21:05:32]

Egghead3:

i was hoping there was a way to customize it, by changing a script or somthing like that

[21:05:42]

Dagmar:

You can change the theme.

[21:05:53]

Zombie:

Do all the clients have to have their own databases?

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Wonka:

what the fuck are these "frequency tables" and why does myttv not use the frequencies from the imported channels.conf but some others?

[21:07:38]

iamlindoro__:

Egghead3: You can change the number of rows and columns visible in the mythvideo settings, that will change the size of the covers

[21:08:40]

Wonka:

why can one create new transports but not delete them? what are these TIDs?

[21:09:42]

Aval0n:

iamlindoro: http://ldproxy.com/aval0n/arcade/100_3250.JPG is that better? :P

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iamlindoro__:

Aval0n: Personally, I think so. At least now Dora the Explorer won't be talking to your kid from heaven

[21:11:02]

Dagmar:

muahaha

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iamlindoro__:

I note your dog wondering WTF you're doing

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Aval0n:

lol

[21:11:56]

iamlindoro__:

"It's me, Diego! When mommy and daddy go to sleep, it's time to BURN THINGS!"

[21:12:31]

** iamlindoro__ concludes that it's a daughter **

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Aval0n:

lol

[21:13:05]

Aval0n:

iamlindoro: these speakers sound _MUCH_ better than my old

[21:13:10]

iamlindoro__:

AND that she needs to clean her room

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Aval0n:

and I thought the old ones sounded pretty good

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Aval0n:

haha

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Aval0n:

he's 2

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Aval0n:

she JUST got done ripping everything out of her toy bin

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iamlindoro__:

Aval0n: I imagine they would-- like I was saying before, engineering can only do so much. When it comes down to it, sounds still needs to resonate in a larger cavity to sound good

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Dagmar:

Or to sound at all

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Aval0n:

when she knows I'm busy doing things like installing speakers, she takes the opportunity to destryo things

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iamlindoro__:

Dagmar: He's replacing speakers with teeeensy little cones with these

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Zombie:

That was a bad move.

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Aval0n:

i've heard some nice bose stuff though

[21:14:39]

Aval0n:

what was a bad move?

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iamlindoro__:

I think rule one is if all the speakers come in one box, you're doing something wrong ;)

[21:14:58]

Aval0n:

probably ;)

[21:15:07]

Dagmar:

That depends.

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Aval0n:

they came indivudally boxes.. but stil;l

[21:15:10]

Aval0n:

still

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Dagmar:

I'm somewhat used to them coming in *large* carpet covered boxes, and one color.

[21:15:26]

Aval0n:

they came individually boxed*

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Aval0n:

there

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Dagmar:

Black.

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Dagmar:

...but these might be inappropriate for a child's room.

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Aval0n:

these speakers retail for 350 each

[21:15:51]

Aval0n:

my old set was 300 for all of them

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Aval0n:

all 7

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

including sub

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Aval0n:

the sub I got is a yamaha and it retails for 350

[21:16:27]

Aval0n:

pretty nice hand-me-down

[21:16:34]

iamlindoro__:

Boxer?

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Aval0n:

paying $0.00 dor this

[21:16:40]

Aval0n:

boxer?

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iamlindoro__:

the dog

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Aval0n:

ahh half boxer half boston terrier

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, go me

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Aval0n:

I have a boston purebread running around here too

[21:18:25]

Trubbis:

I get this in the frontend.log: 2008-03–16 22:17:01.947 Opening OSS audio device 'förvald'.

[21:18:25]

Trubbis:

2008-03–16 22:17:01.947 Error opening audio device (förvald), the error was: No such file or directory

[21:18:25]

Trubbis:

förvald: No such file or directory

[21:18:25]

Trubbis:

Anyone have any sugestions what to do?

[21:18:42]

Aval0n:

iamlindoro: see my mythtv boxen down there too? :)

[21:18:42]

iamlindoro__:

Use ALSA instead?

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Trubbis:

im trying...

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iamlindoro__:

Aval0n: Yup

[21:19:18]

Aval0n:

behind the dry-wall dust covered glass

[21:19:19]

Aval0n:

lol

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iamlindoro__:

unavoidable... I was thrilled when I bought my place until I found that all my drywall was backed by PLYWOOD

[21:20:04]

** flyback pain level is off the chart right now **

[21:20:05]

iamlindoro__:

Which made running all the in-wall cabling a joy

[21:20:12]

Aval0n:

ohh!

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Trubbis:

iamlindoro, the only options i have is förvald (default), /dev/dsp and /dev/adsp...

[21:20:29]

darkwizzard:

imlindoro can i ask ya about nvidia i have like white shadows during playback

[21:20:41]

Aval0n:

0_o

[21:20:46]

Aval0n:

that sucks darkwizzard

[21:20:50]

Aval0n:

i've never heard of that

[21:20:55]

Aval0n:

playback of mythtv video?

[21:20:56]

darkwizzard:

like phaze is off

[21:20:56]

iamlindoro__:

darkwizzard: I would expect you have interference of some sort

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iamlindoro__:

or is it *only* playback?

[21:21:10]

darkwizzard:

does it all the time

[21:21:13]

darkwizzard:

yeah

[21:21:17]

darkwizzard:

live tv too

[21:21:21]

iamlindoro__:

so not in menus?

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darkwizzard:

not in menus

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darkwizzard:

like it too bight

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Aval0n:

sreencap?

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iamlindoro__:

ok, so if it's not in menus and present in video, then it's unlikely it has anything to do with your video card

[21:21:52]

darkwizzard:

101 inch screencap

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iamlindoro__:

iches != pixels

[21:22:07]

iamlindoro__:

inches

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iamlindoro__:

ps mine's bigger than yours is, nyah nyah

[21:22:27]

Aval0n:

lol

[21:22:37]

Aval0n:

mines 50

[21:22:38]

darkwizzard:

i have it set at 1024x785

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iamlindoro__:

sooooo?

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Aval0n:

and keep in mind the bigger the screen, the further apart the pixels

[21:22:52]

darkwizzard:

well mine can go up to 300

[21:22:57]

iamlindoro__:

also, what an odd resolution to set

[21:23:02]

Aval0n:

so 1280x720 on a 50 inch techincally could look better than a 100 inch

[21:23:08]

Aval0n:

depending on where you are sitting ;)

[21:23:10]

darkwizzard:

what rez should i put on

[21:23:28]

iamlindoro__:

something normal, like 1280x720, 1920x1080, etc?

[21:23:29]

Aval0n:

1280x720

[21:23:41]

iamlindoro__:

presuming your projector supports it

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Aval0n:

unless you are 1080p then yes 1920x1080 ;)

[21:23:54]

** iamlindoro__ is **

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iamlindoro__:

;)

[21:24:01]

** Aval0n crys full of envy **

[21:24:19]

Aval0n:

have fun shutting all your blinds and turning your lights off just to watch tv!!

[21:24:23]

** Aval0n runs away **

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Dagmar:

heh

[21:24:38]

Aval0n:

:P

[21:24:42]

darkwizzard:

no need to

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iamlindoro__:

Aval0n: Not necessary where I've got it set up, but I'll admit it's a weakness of most projectors

[21:24:51]

Aval0n:

hehe

[21:24:52]

darkwizzard:

my lights all on

[21:24:59]

iamlindoro__:

just wait til be have lazzzserrrsss

[21:25:00]

Aval0n:

personally I would mind doing that

[21:25:01]

iamlindoro__:

er we have

[21:25:02]

darkwizzard:

3000 lmus

[21:25:07]

darkwizzard:

is powerfull

[21:25:08]

Aval0n:

if you are ballsy enough to rock a projector

[21:25:12]

Aval0n:

that's such a small detail...

[21:25:18]

Dagmar:

It's cheaper to go to the movies

[21:25:22]

neb_:

are bulbs still stupidly expensive?

[21:25:26]

Aval0n:

hehe

[21:25:26]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[21:25:28]

Aval0n:

neb_: yeah

[21:25:32]

iamlindoro__:

depends entirely on the projector

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Aval0n:

unelss you build your own 720p projector

[21:25:35]

Dagmar:

Hah

[21:25:36]

Aval0n:

:)

[21:25:42]

Aval0n:

then they are 30 bucks a pop

[21:25:42]

iamlindoro__:

they can be, though

[21:25:55]

Dagmar:

No, unless your projector is some homebrew monstrosity that uses a 150W light bulb in it, they are not cheap

[21:26:01]

Aval0n:

haha

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iamlindoro__:

Aval0n: with the unfortuneate side effect that it looks like balls conpared to the real thing...

[21:26:10]

Aval0n:

that's what I'm talkinga bout :)

[21:26:14]

Dagmar:

The $30 a pop bulbs do *not* last for 2000 hours.

[21:26:14]

Aval0n:

hahaha

[21:26:18]

Dagmar:

They last for _50_ hours.

[21:26:28]

Aval0n:

no way man

[21:26:36]

Aval0n:

they last longer than that ;)

[21:27:00]

iamlindoro__:

They'd better last 300 for the math to work out right... and they don't.

[21:27:01]

Dagmar:

THen you probably have good curtain

[21:27:02]

Dagmar:

s

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neb_:

heh, 2000 is nothing tho :/

[21:27:16]

Aval0n:

http://www.lumenlab.com/

[21:27:22]

Aval0n:

read up there ;)

[21:27:26]

Aval0n:

i would never do it

[21:27:30]

Aval0n:

but it's cool to know you can

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iamlindoro__:

presumably one uses a projector because they actually *give two shits* about how it looks

[21:27:58]

Dagmar:

hehe

[21:28:12]

Aval0n:

this is also true ;)

[21:28:30]

Aval0n:

unless you build it into a hide away box anyway

[21:28:33]

Aval0n:

which a lot of ppl do

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iamlindoro__:

I meant the picture

[21:28:47]

Aval0n:

ah

[21:28:52]

Aval0n:

I hear it's pretty close

[21:28:55]

Aval0n:

blacks aren't a nice

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Dagmar:

lol 400 watts

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Aval0n:

I've never seen on in person

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iamlindoro__:

It is *not* close

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Aval0n:

one*

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iamlindoro__:

it's one tiny step above the old "project with a CRT monitor" trick

[21:29:25]

Dagmar:

Yep

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Aval0n:

'

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Aval0n:

:)

[21:29:45]

Aval0n:

or the overhead projector and lcd

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Dagmar:

Pretty much

[21:29:52]

Aval0n:

jeje

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Aval0n:

ok guys

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Aval0n:

I gotta jet

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Aval0n:

gotta mess to clean up

[21:30:04]

Aval0n:

lol

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iamlindoro__:

seeya, looking better

[21:30:16]

Aval0n:

thnx man

[21:30:26]

Aval0n:

I'll take pics when everything is done, clean, painted. etc...

[21:30:26]

iamlindoro__:

certainly a lot cleaner integration-wise

[21:30:30]

iamlindoro__:

I imagine the wife is pleased

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Aval0n:

very

[21:30:53]

Aval0n:

she watched the kids at my sisters house till 11:30 last night

[21:30:56]

Aval0n:

so I knew she was motivated

[21:31:01]

Aval0n:

she would normally _NEVER_ do that

[21:31:30]

Aval0n:

the 2 speakers I'm goin to use for L and R and ceiling cirle speakers

[21:31:37]

Aval0n:

but cone AND the tweeter are aimable

[21:31:48]

Aval0n:

the tweeter aims independatly from the cone as well

[21:31:58]

Aval0n:

so they will point directly to the seating area

[21:32:04]

Aval0n:

it's gonna work out very nice.

[21:33:17]

Aval0n:

http://www4.shopping.com/xPF-Klipsch-R-3650-C

[21:33:19]

Aval0n:

that's it there

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Zombie:

http://pastebin.com/dc6eaeca

[21:55:29]

iamlindoro__:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /151915.html

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Zombie:

http://pastebin.com/d25b102d1

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Zombie:

Anyone still here?

[22:09:45]

iamlindoro__:

nope

[22:10:02]

Zombie:

should I repost logs?

[22:10:19]

Zombie:

Can I explain my situation a little more clearly?

[22:10:21]

iamlindoro__:

please god, not again

[22:10:35]

iamlindoro__:

you *can* feel free to elaborate, though, more information is always good

[22:10:45]

Zombie:

Alright.

[22:11:17]

Zombie:

For the sake of preventing confusion, I would like to Refer to computers by Host name.

[22:11:19]

Zombie:

Okay?

[22:11:34]

iamlindoro__:

whatever works for you

[22:11:47]

Zombie:

Brolly is the Myth TV backend server's name, okay?

[22:11:58]

iamlindoro__:

ok, no need to confirm each piece of info

[22:12:10]

iamlindoro__:

We read good ;)

[22:12:17]

Zombie:

Brolly, therefore, has the SAA7134.

[22:12:38]

Zombie:

However, Brolly is not connected to a TV.

[22:13:04]

Zombie:

Just a monitor.

[22:13:08]

iamlindoro__:

ok... did you read and try the link I posted?

[22:13:13]

Zombie:

Yes.

[22:13:20]

Zombie:

It made no difference.

[22:13:25]

iamlindoro__:

on the *backend*?

[22:13:29]

Zombie:

Yes.

[22:13:37]

iamlindoro__:

and then restarted the backend?

[22:13:38]

Zombie:

I'm SSHed into Brolly

[22:13:58]

Zombie:

The backend X Server or Myth Backend?

[22:14:29]

iamlindoro__:

*sigh*

[22:14:37]

iamlindoro__:

The Myth backend

[22:15:18]

Zombie:

Yes.

[22:15:24]

Zombie:

It made no difference.

[22:15:43]

Zombie:

I need to express that the Backend server can watch live TV just fine.

[22:16:27]

iamlindoro__:

ok, hang on

[22:16:31]

iamlindoro__:

I have a hunch

[22:16:45]

iamlindoro__:

yep, I think I'm right

[22:17:01]

iamlindoro__:

Did you set up a DB and run mythtv-setup on the remote client machine?

[22:17:20]

Zombie:

Yes.

[22:17:27]

iamlindoro__:

There's your problem

[22:17:29]

iamlindoro__:

You don't do that

[22:17:40]

Zombie:

Should I drop that base?

[22:18:00]

iamlindoro__:

mythtv-setup is for setting up a backend, not a frontend, and the database it should be connecting to is the one on the *backend*

[22:18:07]

iamlindoro__:

no

[22:18:15]

iamlindoro__:

dropping the database won't make a bit of different

[22:18:17]

iamlindoro__:

difference

[22:18:30]

iamlindoro__:

You did *not* read the documentation about setting up a remote frontend

[22:18:51]

Tanthrix:

Zombie: The documentation that Dagmer specifically told you to read, it should be noted.

[22:18:54]

Zombie:

Well, there is an additional complication.

[22:19:27]

Zombie:

Kurama has a special property such that it is connected to a TV where as Brolly is not.

[22:19:44]

iamlindoro__:

Zombie: That is in absolutely no way a complication with regards to properly setting up myth

[22:19:54]

Zombie:

Now, you may be asking yourself why this is relevant.

[22:19:57]

iamlindoro__:

the complication is *not reading the manual*

[22:20:04]

Tanthrix:

Zombie: I know I am.

[22:20:08]

Zombie:

Just a minute.

[22:20:12]

** iamlindoro__ wonders how much longer he has to wait for Zombie to start listening **

[22:20:23]

Zombie:

I wil re-read the manual

[22:20:33]

Zombie:

I promise you.

[22:21:03]

Zombie:

Kurama has a number of Emulators.

[22:21:09]

iamlindoro__:

edit ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt for the user running the frontend on the remote machine. Change the db hostname to the backend's IP address, and the login information to access that DB. Frontend will work *fine*

[22:21:29]

iamlindoro__:

Zombie: Seriously, *stop*. You are going further and further offtrack

[22:21:54]

Tanthrix:

Zombie: Here's the bottom line since you obviously couldn't be bothered to read the executive overview. You need ONE mysql database which contains the settings for the backend and all frontends. You need ONE backend on the machine with the tuner card and lots of free space for recordings. You then can put mythfrontend on ANY machine (including the backend/mysql machine) and watch your recordings, etc..

[22:22:12]

Zombie:

I understand

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hnitsuj:

I'm not sure it's 100% clear in the documentation that additional frontends don't need to have mythtv-setup run on them, or indeed whether or not they need their own database – i.e. I don't think it's stated _specifically_

[22:27:28]

Agrajag-:

well it doesn't say to run it on them. should it also say everything you _shouldn't_ do? "you shouldn't drop your mythtv frontends off a cliff"

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hnitsuj:

oh shit. my wife's about to reboot the frontend that way. don't do it Ethel!!!!

[22:28:42]

GreyFoxx:

Could the confusion be packages automatically configuring and enabling mysql if a user installs a frontend instead of leaving that to the user ?

[22:28:51]

hnitsuj:

Agrajag-: as myth becomes ever more popular, the documentation may have to become more noddy to account for the kind of user it attracts

[22:28:58]

GreyFoxx:

the user assumes that if the package did it then its what they want to do ?

[22:29:33]

hnitsuj:

GreyFoxx: well, making mysql server a dependency of the client libs would be erm.. lazy on the part of the packagers I think ;)

[22:30:15]

hnitsuj:

actually it could also happen if a user just installs 'mythtv' packages on a new frontend too

[22:31:25]

hnitsuj:

being able to install software like mythtv from packages via a point & click interface isn't necessarily a good idea. I've always said that

[22:31:32]

iamlindoro__:

I suppose <sacrilege>if mythtv-setup became mythtv-backend-setup</sacrilege> it might be more clear

[22:32:16]

hnitsuj:

setup stuff needs a lump hammer taken to it. have you seen the code in there?

[22:32:26]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: That would require changing something! You should know that everything Myth is perfect in every way!

[22:33:21]

iamlindoro__:

<clutches mythbox> My precioussssssssss!!

[22:33:24]

hnitsuj:

ressurect the google SoC for the settings revamp! then find somebody willing to actually finish it :P

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hnitsuj:

oh bum. it's all very well & good me looking forward to seeing the changes mythui is going to bring about but... now the cat is out of the bag about who I really am & that I hang out in here...

[22:35:26]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Users should intuitively know that mythtv-setup means mythbackend setup, just as they should assume that #mythtv is the dev channel despite the fact about 70 percent of other projects don't name their channels like that. And if they don't just know, they're useless human garbage and ought to be shot.

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directhex:

which frontend package depends on mysql? O_o

[22:36:07]

hnitsuj:

Tanthrix: a degree of reading between the lines is necessary sometimes

[22:36:35]

hnitsuj:

directhex: more likely the latter scenario methinks – a user not knowing they only need install mythtv-frontend or whatever bollocks it is

[22:36:51]

iamlindoro__:

Tanthrix: That said, when, on your remote frontend, you start doing things in mythtv-setup, it should at some point occur to you that this seems like backend stuff. eg capture card setup, recording directories, etc.

[22:36:55]

** Tanthrix is just angry because of Comcast messing with channel frequencies every damned day **

[22:37:05]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: True enough.

[22:37:06]

hnitsuj:

but then that's part of the 'fun' of using a 'add/remove programs' package installer

[22:37:25]

iamlindoro__:

Tanthrix: Ew, really? Thankfully we've been pretty stable here of late... actually got a channel back from 5C, too

[22:37:30]

iamlindoro__:

An HD channel, no less

[22:37:32]

directhex:

hnitsuj, the add/remove package installer, presumably you mean the one in ubuntu, lists "mythtv frontend" and "mythtv backend setup" as distinct items

[22:37:53]

hnitsuj:

does it? maybe others don't

[22:38:05]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: I exaggerate. This is the second time in two months though that all of the PBS channels have been moved. Still annoying though, considering there is nothing trivial about updating the frequencies.

[22:38:07]

hnitsuj:

I haven't touched mythtv packages for ages

[22:38:12]

GreyFoxx:

Tanthrix: Maybe they shouldn't assume it's the dev channelk but they should be capable of reading the topic and the message/notice auto sent when joining

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iamlindoro__:

Tanthrix: Yeah... no forwarding address :)

[22:38:48]

hnitsuj:

GreyFoxx: same reason so many ubuntu mythtv installs fail. popup is dismissed before they've read it ;)

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Hehe. I'm debating whether or not to build and/or buy an antenna. I just fear that my A180 won't work well with it, as it seems to need an absurdly strong signal to work reliably.

[22:39:37]

iamlindoro__:

Tanthrix: You see that one on slashdot the other day? Seemed snazzy

[22:39:45]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro_: Aye – I was looking at that.

[22:39:57]

iamlindoro__:

A fun project if nothing else

[22:41:19]

hnitsuj:

the antenna is 'more powerful'.. lol

[22:41:25]

iamlindoro__:

Hmm, am I imagining things, or was there an option in mythfilldatabase to force out to x days? --max-days seems not to be it, but maybe I'm off my rocker

[22:41:36]

Zombie:

I'm reading Myth's documwntation.

[22:41:43]

GreyFoxx:

there use to be one iamlindoro

[22:41:48]

iamlindoro__:

ahh, ok

[22:41:48]

GreyFoxx:

dunno about now

[22:42:21]

iamlindoro__:

yeah, I had used it once or twice-- wanted to schedule something for early April while I had it in mind... but I think maybe the option is kaput

[22:42:50]

hnitsuj:

15dB forward gain – 'more powerful'.. they're having a laugh

[22:42:57]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: I'm feeling very lazy lately, considering just buying one.

[22:43:35]

hnitsuj:

gawd how bad are the commercial ones sold over there?!

[22:43:54]

iamlindoro__:

hmmm, maybe it's rolled into --refresh-day

[22:44:15]

iamlindoro__:

Tanthrix: I bought a nice one for my folks from a spanish company, but hell if I can remember the brand name

[22:44:34]

iamlindoro__:

It was bright orange, though, and worked like gangbusters

[22:45:02]

Tanthrix:

Bright orange eh? Maybe I'll come across one on ebay. Not exactly a common color for antennas ;)

[22:45:24]

Zombie:

I'm getting a little frustrated. Do the clients need direct access to the MySQL Database?

[22:45:32]

Tanthrix:

Zombie: Yes.

[22:46:14]

Tanthrix:

Zombie: Each client needs a mysql.txt file which has the IP addy of the mysql server, and the login/pass/db name.

[22:46:23]

** iamlindoro__ senses a bind-address issue coming on **

[22:48:15]

mikeones:

zonemider needs to be 1.22.2 or 1.22.3? I have 1.23.2 installed and get this when I try and configure mythplugins

[22:48:18]

mikeones:

Disabling MythZoneMinder. Unknown ZoneMinder version '1.23.2' given.

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hnitsuj:

1.23.2 is neither 1.22.2 or 1.22.3 ;)

[22:54:00]

iamlindoro__:

Any of you guys affiliated w/ Schedules Direct know if the production number or Season/Episode# is included in the information gathered by TMS?

[22:54:41]

PatrickDK:

I don't believe so, I nave never seen that info ever

[22:54:49]

PatrickDK:

except on bittorrent

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iamlindoro__:

PatrickDK: I'm aware *we* don't, I was curious whether TMS gathered it, though

[22:55:24]

iamlindoro__:

although you see where I'm going with that line of thought, of course

[22:56:07]

PatrickDK:

well, I wasn't saying we don't

[22:56:20]

PatrickDK:

I was saying no service that I have ever used, that used tms data, ever had that info

[22:56:55]

iamlindoro__:

Yeah, me neither, just sorta wanted to rule out that they gathered it and didn't bother making it available or something

[22:56:58]

iamlindoro__:

oh well

[22:59:26]

sinthetek:

is there a way to permanently set the video scan mode?

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sinthetek:

oh wait

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jams:

GreyFoxx- adding the screenshot jumpoint to the network control is a one liner.

[23:00:47]

jams:

much easier then anticipated.

[23:00:49]

GreyFoxx:

jams: yeah, figured it would be

[23:01:05]

GreyFoxx:

if you gotta patch put it in track and I'll commit it tonight

[23:01:06]

Zombie:

Awesome, it works.

[23:01:34]

Zombie:

Does MythTV keep settings for each client.

[23:01:51]

GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

based on the hostname of the client

[23:02:05]

Zombie:

And, could this network connection be sustained for an 11MB Wifi connection?

[23:02:18]

GreyFoxx:

so make sure they don;t have have a hostname of "localhost\" or something :)

[23:02:25]

jams:

sure, guess i should test on trunk as well.

[23:02:34]

anenigma:

I've had standard digital running over wireless (802.11g) but it depends on signal strength

[23:02:37]

GreyFoxx:

Zombie: If the video is lowbitrate enough

[23:02:42]

iamlindoro__:

I strongly advise against trying to do *anything* myth-related on wireless

[23:02:42]

Zombie:

No, they all have unique Hostnames as Kerberos Demands.

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sinthetek:

yeah, is there some way to set video scan mode perm?

[23:07:00]

iamlindoro__:

Depends on what you mean by video scan mode

[23:07:22]

sinthetek:

mine is really jittery with with the default setting (Detect)

[23:07:39]

iamlindoro__:

If you mean interlacing settings/conversion to pro

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sinthetek:

under "menu->Video Scan"

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iamlindoro__:

whoops, wasn't done with that thought :)

[23:07:57]

sinthetek:

hehe

[23:08:17]

sinthetek:

i think it is the same as interlace

[23:08:21]

sinthetek:

or similar

[23:08:34]

sinthetek:

iono, my knowledge of multimedia end of technology isn't the keenest

[23:09:00]

sinthetek:

yeah, progressive, interlaced, deinterlaced..

[23:09:12]

iamlindoro__:

Hmm, I actually don't know. TBH, that's the first time I'veever looked at that

[23:09:18]

hnitsuj:

nope

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sinthetek:

s/deinterlaced/interlaced reversed

[23:09:53]

sinthetek:

weak

[23:10:14]

sinthetek:

i should try opengl... don't think i have tried it with mythtv since i upgraded my crappy sis driver

[23:13:37]

sinthetek:

well, opengl setting doesn't crash x completely when i try it now...

[23:13:56]

sinthetek:

still jittery though

[23:16:25]

hnitsuj:

I find the scan type autodetection bothersome on some channels

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darkwizzard:

anyone use nvidia-settings before

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hnitsuj:

darkwizzard: no, you'd be the very first person to ever use it

[23:16:57]

darkwizzard:

lol

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Wonka:

http://pastebin.com/m7d781bd8

[23:28:43]

Wonka:

wtf.

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iamlindoro:

That DVB tuner?

[23:32:04]

iamlindoro:

er what/which

[23:33:38]

iamlindoro:

And as a followup, are you doing *anything* out of the ordinary with it, by which I mean a SoftCAM

[23:33:48]

Wonka:

no softcam

[23:34:14]

Wonka:

hauppauge wintv nova-t stick

[23:34:21]

Wonka:

dvb-t near kiel, germany

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Wonka:

it does collect EIT data on those channels it cannot tune to, and it did find them by scanning...

[23:35:13]

iamlindoro:

OK, and when it does that, is it possible to pull of Kaffeine and watch it?

[23:35:28]

iamlindoro:

So is it only certain channels it cannot tune, or is the whole stick inoperable?

[23:36:44]

** mjj29 has channels on his nova-t which get EIT and scan, but can't tune **

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mjj29:

I assumed it was just on the edge of the signal strength threshold

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iamlindoro:

Interesting

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Wonka:

iamlindoro: when i stop mythbackend, i can watch the channel i tried to record with mplayer

[23:39:16]

Wonka:

mjj29: same hardware worked fine with mythtv 0.20. now 0.21 doesn't record.

[23:39:29]

iamlindoro:

Wonka: So you did scan with Myth, yes? Or did you import frequency tables?

[23:40:05]

Wonka:

I imported a channels.conf

[23:40:20]

Wonka:

and then i scanned existing transports

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iamlindoro:

Why not scan from scratch in myth? channels.conf import seems to fail as often as it succeeds

[23:40:49]

Wonka:

all stations were listed...

[23:40:55]

Wonka:

i can try that.

[23:42:43]

Wonka:

*delete all video sources*

[23:42:48]

Wonka:

*new video source*

[23:43:11]

Wonka:

no, there are no xmltv grabbers... *wait*

[23:48:21]

jams:

GreyFoxx- $4980

[23:48:33]

jams:

heh #4980

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Wonka:

hm.

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Wonka:

the frequencies in the transports it generated while scanning for itself are _completely_ off

[23:56:17]

Wonka:

it did find all channels, though

[23:56:26]

Wonka:

but no eit data yet...

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Wonka:

0.20 worked better, somehow

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Wonka:

wah, 01:00 already – gotta go to bed. bbl.

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