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| [00:08:46] | black_Nightmare_: | ughh is newegg working for anyone? |
| [00:09:16] | matty-: | yep |
| [00:09:21] | black_Nightmare_: | hm strange |
| [00:09:29] | black_Nightmare_: | 404 here just as I was looking up something for someone |
| [00:09:30] | black_Nightmare_: | -_- |
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| [00:12:13] | jamesd: | black_Nightmare_, working here, nice and fast |
| [00:12:34] | ** black_Nightmare_ suspects a silly isp server again ** | |
| [00:12:41] | black_Nightmare_: | other links loads fine |
| [00:12:50] | black_Nightmare_: | :/ |
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| [00:17:59] | whodat: | so why doesnt mythtv like it when i switch to console when a video is playing? (freezes)... but when I am in the livetv guide with the tv in the corner playing, it doesnt freeze... |
| [00:18:01] | black_Nightmare_: | ah working again now |
| [00:18:01] | black_Nightmare_: | weird |
| [00:19:30] | black_Nightmare_: | jamesd/matty either of you ever heard of Rosewill? sounds like strange name but I've noticed its been appearing more frequently on newegg |
| [00:19:48] | iamlindoro: | whodat: It's (probably) not mythtv that doesn't like it. I don't see that particular behavior on any of my machines-- I personally would look into Video drivers and video acceleration settings |
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| [00:20:17] | jamesd: | black_Nightmare_, i have a rosewill case, looks nice, decent built case... cost me less than $30 for a mid tower case that holds 10 drives... |
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| [00:20:30] | whodat: | iam: you can control-alt-f1 to console with a video playing, and then control-alt-f7 back and it's still playing? |
| [00:20:39] | black_Nightmare_: | jamesd..heh nice....what did you need ten drives for or just future planning? :p |
| [00:21:21] | jamesd: | black_Nightmare_, just planning, i currently have 4x drives in the case 3x in a raidz pool 1.5TB and and one boot disk... |
| [00:21:38] | iamlindoro: | whodat: yes, tested just now and confirmed |
| [00:21:44] | whodat: | hmm |
| [00:21:47] | whodat: | ok thanks |
| [00:22:01] | iamlindoro: | no problem |
| [00:22:39] | black_Nightmare_: | jjamesd...heh ok because I think I'll only want up to 6 bays myself but then to our own ;) |
| [00:23:07] | black_Nightmare_: | disk drive, main optical, optional slave optical, main hd, storage hd if needed, optional secondary storage |
| [00:23:08] | black_Nightmare_: | :p |
| [00:24:40] | jamesd: | black_Nightmare_, of course one was used for dvd-rw and another is dedicated to usb/media ports... 53 types of media in a drive slot... for $10 kinda of hard to say no, and besides my mother bioard had 10 usb ports have to use them somehow |
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| [00:25:54] | black_Nightmare_: | heh |
| [00:26:07] | black_Nightmare_: | well either way re Rosewill... |
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| [00:26:29] | black_Nightmare_: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815265003 doesn't seem too bad .. especially oddly full molex connector rather than a 4-pin header |
| [00:27:57] | jamesd: | i have 2x firewire ports on my mythbox... don't have a use for them... sata drives are so cheap and faster than firewire.. and the firewire enclosures are slightly more costly than usb. |
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| [00:30:23] | jamesd: | black_Nightmare_, besure and get lots of slots.. my mythbox is filling up quicker than i would of imagineded... video card, 2x capture card, ... thinking of adding a serial card and possibly a sata card... |
| [00:32:54] | directhex: | rs232? O_o |
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| [00:33:23] | iamlindoro: | directhex: 2400 baud modems don't talk to themselves |
| [00:33:24] | black_Nightmare_: | jamesd...heheh....I don't even need much at all |
| [00:33:32] | jamesd: | directhex, x10 controller uses the only rs232 on my motherboard, and my tv has an rs232 port. |
| [00:33:47] | jamesd: | black_Nightmare_, i think think i would either... |
| [00:33:49] | directhex: | jamesd, does your tv's rs232 port actually do anything useful though? |
| [00:34:12] | black_Nightmare_: | to put it in short... |
| [00:34:38] | jamesd: | directhex, not sure its there for multimedia control... and since mce ir senders aren't supported i thought i might look into what the rs232 can provide. |
| [00:35:10] | iamlindoro: | Sorta sounds like a service port |
| [00:35:34] | jamesd: | iamlindoro, its listed as usable in media setups so its more than a service port |
| [00:35:42] | iamlindoro: | Erm, how could an IR blaster not be supported? |
| [00:36:30] | black_Nightmare_: | agp for vga+tv (well duh heh) .. pci for firewire (unless I decide to find an audigy card off someone local) .. hardware voice modem (seeing external ones are a bit of rareity) .. and the last slot's undecided yet depending on how rest of configuration goes yet |
| [00:36:50] | black_Nightmare_: | its just got the typical legacy ports beside two usb onboard alone anyhow |
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| [00:37:11] | iamlindoro: | This is the only IR code you'll ever need anyway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJRwZMG5GQ4 |
| [00:37:27] | jamesd: | iamlindoro, i mean that the one that mce provides is not supported by the linux driver, at least that is what i read |
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| [00:37:41] | iamlindoro: | jamesd: Sure it is |
| [00:38:07] | iamlindoro: | Or I'm changing channels with telepathy, which could also be cool |
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| [00:38:44] | jamesd: | iamlindoro, cool, do you have any links on how to configure it... |
| [00:38:53] | black_Nightmare_: | hm a Hercules card could maybe had been nice too but then its difficult to find used ones so Audigy it is I guess |
| [00:39:28] | black_Nightmare_: | (failing that I might just go with seperate pci firewire card and see whatever card I end up keeping for audio) |
| [00:39:51] | iamlindoro: | Any of the mceusb howtos should show you-- it uses exactly the same lirc node as the recevier, eg irsend --device=/dev/lircd SEND_ONCE mceusb OK |
| [00:40:44] | iamlindoro: | For more info: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote |
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| [00:42:40] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm...just asking out of curiousity but any of you know of any retail usb keyboard with both power management and multimedia keys altogether? |
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| [01:31:58] | CTho: | the GUI seems incredibly slow, but my CPU usage isn't high. Is taht normal? |
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| [01:32:18] | directhex: | CTho, which painter, qt or opengl? |
| [01:32:24] | CTho: | directhex: it chose qt |
| [01:33:42] | directhex: | how much RAM? |
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| [01:33:47] | CTho: | 2GB |
| [01:34:06] | psm321: | hi |
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| [01:35:01] | psm321: | i recently lost the "highlight" color for the currently selected "drop-down" option box... this makes it very hard to see what i'm editing (in manual schedule for example or in one of the settings pages) |
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| [01:35:19] | psm321: | any idea what could cause that? (dont know exactly when it started or what it corresponded with) |
| [01:36:36] | directhex: | CTho, hm, it shouldn't be excessively slow. 0.20.2? |
| [01:37:12] | CTho: | directhex: how do I tell? |
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| [01:38:26] | directhex: | CTho, what did you install? |
| [01:38:34] | CTho: | directhex: ubuntu's package |
| [01:38:50] | directhex: | which ubuntu release? |
| [01:38:57] | CTho: | gutsy |
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| [01:39:31] | directhex: | 0.20.2 then |
| [01:42:35] | iamlindoro: | CTho: some of the themes are awful memory hogs, which are you using? |
| [01:42:44] | CTho: | iamlindoro: GANT(?), the default one |
| [01:43:00] | iamlindoro: | Oooh, that's not good, heh, that shouldn't be too bad |
| [01:43:11] | CTho: | would xgl be interfering? |
| [01:43:27] | iamlindoro: | CTho: ok, what does the frontend/console log say while you're navigating about? |
| [01:43:52] | iamlindoro: | I've seen broken themes cause that issue (where it has to fall back to elements from the default theme) |
| [01:44:38] | CTho: | hmm |
| [01:44:39] | CTho: | not starting now |
| [01:44:41] | CTho: | 2008-03–03 19:44:28.696 TV Error: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start |
| [01:44:41] | CTho: | 2008-03–03 19:44:28.696 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started |
| [01:44:41] | CTho: | 2008-03–03 19:44:29.867 TV: Deleting TV Chain in destructor |
| [01:45:01] | CTho: | actually, it starts from the menu |
| [01:45:05] | iamlindoro: | erm...? Starting mythfrontend shouldn't try to start livetv at all |
| [01:45:12] | iamlindoro: | are you typing mythtv or mythfrontend? |
| [01:45:32] | ** iamlindoro can guess the answer ** | |
| [01:45:35] | CTho: | was typing mythtv |
| [01:45:36] | directhex: | xgl? are you using ati? |
| [01:45:38] | CTho: | with mytfrontend it comes up |
| [01:45:39] | CTho: | directhex: yes |
| [01:45:46] | ** iamlindoro dies a little inside ** | |
| [01:45:46] | CTho: | directhex: their driver is the biggest piece of shit i've ever used |
| [01:45:54] | iamlindoro: | DUH |
| [01:45:58] | directhex: | CTho, it's nice to see someone admit that up front |
| [01:46:09] | iamlindoro: | ATI + MythTV = no happy funtimes |
| [01:46:17] | CTho: | ok |
| [01:46:21] | directhex: | iamlindoro, isn't it officially unsupported in the ati readme? |
| [01:46:21] | CTho: | i can switch back to my nvidia onboard |
| [01:46:37] | iamlindoro: | directhex: How DARE you acuse me of reading an ATI readme |
| [01:46:42] | iamlindoro: | er accuse |
| [01:46:48] | directhex: | iamlindoro, know your enemy! |
| [01:46:49] | CTho: | until this weekend i was using my onboard nvidia over my radeon 2900 xt under linux |
| [01:46:56] | CTho: | http://pastebin.org/22285 |
| [01:47:19] | iamlindoro: | I'd take nvidia soldered onto a saltine over any ati |
| [01:48:06] | iamlindoro: | CTho: aside from the fact that you won't be able to use a remote currently, none of that is a problem--- no messages after navigating around a bit? |
| [01:48:53] | CTho: | no |
| [01:49:08] | iamlindoro: | I'd be very interested to see if switching back to nVidia (w/ binary drivers, of course) solved this |
| [01:49:10] | CTho: | i will switch back to nvidia though... i've been meaning to anyway |
| [01:49:22] | directhex: | christ, how on earth does a major film release on region 1 end up being *interlaced*? |
| [01:49:22] | CTho: | it may be a few hours – linux makes driver swaps a huuuuge pain in the ass. |
| [01:49:36] | directhex: | CTho, nah, it's easy clicky with the ubuntu restricted manager |
| [01:49:37] | CTho: | s/linux/xorg/ |
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| [01:49:41] | iamlindoro: | ?? |
| [01:49:43] | directhex: | 5 minute job |
| [01:49:47] | iamlindoro: | apt-get install nvidia-glx-new? |
| [01:49:53] | directhex: | then an extra 5 to upgrade to 169.x from 100.x |
| [01:49:56] | CTho: | directhex: that never worked well for me. i had issues with conflicting packages and stuff |
| [01:50:40] | iamlindoro: | And if all fails, the nuke-it option apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx-new && apt-get install --reinstall gdm ubuntu-desktop |
| [01:50:57] | directhex: | nuke it from orbit! |
| [01:50:59] | iamlindoro: | which resets exactly 0 settings but assures working GDM |
| [01:51:00] | directhex: | purge it with flame! |
| [01:51:03] | iamlindoro: | only way to be sure |
| [01:51:04] | directhex: | feed it MOAR MHZ! |
| [01:51:16] | iamlindoro: | that was in response to nuke it from orbit ;) |
| [01:51:40] | iamlindoro: | speaking of Michael Biehn, Terminator "season finale" tonight |
| [01:52:17] | iamlindoro: | ATI eats your MOAR MHZ and poops out sorrow |
| [01:52:38] | directhex: | and fail |
| [01:52:46] | iamlindoro: | and that |
| [01:53:33] | CTho: | ok, i guess i just have to reboot now and i should have wonderful nvidia onboardness? |
| [01:54:01] | iamlindoro: | You may have to do some hail marys as penance for the ATI thing |
| [01:54:09] | CTho: | Section "Device" |
| [01:54:09] | CTho: | Identifier "aticonfig-Device[0]" |
| [01:54:09] | CTho: | Driver "fglrx" |
| [01:54:09] | CTho: | EndSection |
| [01:54:12] | CTho: | i forsee trouble ;) |
| [01:54:26] | iamlindoro: | dpk-reconfigure nvidia-xconfig |
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| [01:54:33] | iamlindoro: | er dpkg-reconfigure |
| [01:54:43] | iamlindoro: | possibly with some hot hot sudo action |
| [01:55:22] | CTho: | Package `nvidia-xconfig' is not installed and no info is available. |
| [01:55:39] | iamlindoro: | did you apt-get instal nvidia-glx-new? |
| [01:55:43] | iamlindoro: | install |
| [01:55:47] | iamlindoro: | fucking retarded fingers |
| [01:55:51] | CTho: | yes |
| [01:56:15] | directhex: | it'll try to load, fail with the failsafe window, and you can pick the driver etc in there. in theory |
| [01:56:26] | iamlindoro: | erm... how about just sudo nvidia-xconfig? Maybe I'm confused. |
| [01:56:39] | CTho: | ah ;) |
| [01:56:50] | CTho: | Section "Device" |
| [01:56:50] | CTho: | Identifier "aticonfig-Device[0]" |
| [01:56:50] | CTho: | Driver "nvidia" |
| [01:56:50] | CTho: | EndSection |
| [01:56:53] | CTho: | i forsee fewer problems now :) |
| [01:56:56] | CTho: | let's give it a try |
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| [01:58:10] | iamlindoro: | wonder what I was thinking about dpkg-reconfiguring.... |
| [01:58:13] | iamlindoro: | oh well |
| [01:58:27] | directhex: | 7 new dvds added to the rip queue. time for bed! |
| [01:59:06] | iamlindoro: | 7?? Do you have a robot/jukebox? |
| [01:59:15] | directhex: | wife's pc |
| [01:59:41] | directhex: | all vobs extracted, i can run 7 2-pass vob->h264 encodes between now and when we get in from work |
| [01:59:52] | iamlindoro: | ahhhh, ok I gotcha |
| [01:59:57] | directhex: | up to & including south park bigger longer & uncut tonight |
| [02:00:09] | directhex: | tomorrow i get to supersize me |
| [02:00:12] | noclue: | After watching LiveTV for a seemingly arbitrary amount of time. LiveTV stops working. The backend log shows the following message: 'MPEGRec(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding'. |
| [02:00:52] | directhex: | then van helsing, then x-men 3, then i start filling in the stragglers (which means deciding on a foreign language policy) |
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| [02:01:37] | iamlindoro: | directhex: Good stuff – Think I might play with the x264farm linux version someday soon |
| [02:01:52] | iamlindoro: | Didn't actually know a linux version existed until today |
| [02:02:03] | directhex: | iamlindoro, why farm? she's got a freaking e6850! :) |
| [02:02:10] | iamlindoro: | MOAR MHZ |
| [02:02:26] | directhex: | i can assure you i wasn't doing 7 movies a day on my 3800+ |
| [02:02:31] | iamlindoro: | Walked into that one ;) |
| [02:02:39] | noclue: | I've read the mailing lists, and other people seem to have had the problem with previous releases of the ivtv driver, and seem to have been resolved. Any ideas? |
| [02:03:26] | iamlindoro: | directhex: Lots of the stuff, truthfully, that I set up has no practical value-- My primary Myth backend is a Q6600 and only archives 3–4 hours of TV a week to h.264 |
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| [02:03:40] | iamlindoro: | But it won't stop me from setting up a complex system that could easily break! |
| [02:03:44] | CTho: | ok, otehr than xgl being messed up, it's working |
| [02:03:53] | CTho: | I see an "Xglx" window |
| [02:03:59] | CTho: | and it tends to be completely white |
| [02:04:09] | CTho: | I do recall needing some nvidia workaround last time i tried compiz with onboard |
| [02:05:48] | noclue: | no one knows eh? |
| [02:05:56] | iamlindoro: | CTho: tweaking aside, any affect on myth? |
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| [02:07:28] | CTho: | yup, blazingly fast |
| [02:07:39] | ** iamlindoro calls that a victory ** | |
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| [02:07:49] | CTho: | indeed :) |
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| [02:09:41] | directhex: | CTho, xgl is a broken hack. don't use it |
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| [02:10:40] | directhex: | compiz works fine out of the box, via aiglx, on hardware with unbroken drivers (e.g. intel, nvidia) |
| [02:11:01] | directhex: | and, i think, recent ati drivers |
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| [02:12:39] | CTho: | oops. |
| [02:12:41] | CTho: | <directhex> CTho, xgl is a broken hack. don't use it |
| [02:12:49] | directhex: | <directhex> compiz works fine out of the box, via aiglx, on hardware with unbroken drivers (e.g. intel, nvidia) |
| [02:12:49] | directhex: | <directhex> and, i think, recent ati drivers |
| [02:12:50] | CTho: | how do i switch back to normal X? |
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| [02:13:11] | directhex: | i've no idea which files you hacked to switch to xgl. there are a hundred different methods in common use |
| [02:13:28] | directhex: | probably /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom or somesuch |
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| [02:14:03] | CTho: | nope... |
| [02:14:12] | CTho: | $ dpkg -l|grep -i xgl |
| [02:14:12] | CTho: | ii xserver-xgl 1:1.1.99.1~git20070727–0ubuntu3 GL-based X server |
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| [02:14:42] | directhex: | you will still have had to force use of xgl rather than xorg somewhere |
| [02:15:35] | directhex: | worst case scneario, you edited the "X" symlink |
| [02:15:43] | CTho: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2007-06–12 06:10 X -> /usr/bin/Xorg |
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| [02:16:21] | directhex: | well other than the gdm config i can't think where else you might have changed it |
| [02:16:42] | CTho: | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/98xserver-xgl_start-server |
| [02:16:44] | CTho: | ? |
| [02:16:50] | directhex: | eep |
| [02:17:29] | nettow0822: | Is there a way to enter the channels.conf info manually.....this info WDSIDT:621000000:QAM_256:2048:2049:1 |
| [02:17:42] | directhex: | seems so. just purging the xserver-xgl package ought to remove that file |
| [02:17:46] | CTho: | directhex: not sure i'm using that – i just see that it exist |
| [02:18:31] | CTho: | ok, purge removed it |
| [02:18:35] | CTho: | restart my X session? |
| [02:18:38] | directhex: | yeah |
| [02:18:40] | iamlindoro_: | nettow0822: You can either learn the database scheme and figure out how to enter those things manually there, or you can use the "tuned scan" to enter the frequencies/Channel widths/etc one by one in mythtv-setup |
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| [02:18:43] | directhex: | anyway, bedtime for me. poke iamlindoro |
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| [02:18:51] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Night, seeya tomorrow |
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| [02:20:58] | nettow0822: | iamlindoro_ is that under channel editor? |
| [02:21:20] | iamlindoro_: | No, it's one of the types of channel scan |
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| [02:21:27] | CTho: | ... fighting with gnome now |
| [02:21:40] | CTho: | i log in and get an empty screen (just the ubuntu-brown background) |
| [02:22:38] | nettow0822: | iamlindoro_ is that under input connections? |
| [02:23:16] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
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| [02:24:38] | CTho: | ok, evrything is back, metacity instead of ocmpiz. i can live with this. |
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| [02:25:04] | noclue: | After watching LiveTV for a seemingly arbitrary amount of time. LiveTV stops working. The backend log shows the following message: 'MPEGRec(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding'. Any ideas? |
| [02:25:54] | noclue: | ^^ More info available upon request... |
| [02:28:07] | CTho: | brb :) |
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| [02:31:38] | CTho: | actually watching still doesnt' work |
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| [02:38:03] | DustyBin: | thank heavens for mythtv :D |
| [02:38:05] | DustyBin: | Prof Stephen Hawking explores the mysteries of physics by taking us on a two-part journey through the universe and looking at how far our understanding of it has developed. |
| [02:39:05] | venkelos: | when scanning for channels using dvbscan i get a lot of tuning failed, which i think is normal but anywhere it does get a signal it says 'filter timeout' |
| [02:39:11] | venkelos: | is this normal behavior? |
| [02:50:05] | nettow0822: | yes |
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| [02:57:05] | venkelos: | how do i determine if i want EIA HRC IRC or any of those? |
| [03:05:23] | nettow0822: | trial & error.....it will depend on your cable provider if you use one |
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| [03:12:31] | rhpot1991: | 2 things I am looking to do in MythTV 1. Dvd upscaling (I think someone told me VLC can do it) 2. Set my recording schedule to record certain things in both HD and SD with 2 different tuners. Anyone have any words of wisdom on either? |
| [03:14:07] | nettow0822: | 1. not sure 2. yes |
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| [03:15:09] | markl_: | is dvd upscaling any different than what XVideo does? |
| [03:15:18] | rhpot1991: | nettow0822: for 2 got any ideas other than making 2 separate recording schedules for the show. Myth is getting too smart about that and skipping one cause it was just recorded, and I kinda wanted it to still be smart about not recording things it already has |
| [03:15:32] | rhpot1991: | markl_: I'm not entirely sure, thats why I am asking around |
| [03:15:58] | rhpot1991: | playing dvd's on it with xine and mythplayer looks good, but I'm just trying to feel around what kind of options there are |
| [03:26:51] | psm321: | this is kind of tangential from mythtv, but does anyone know if ivtv cards can spit out mp2 audio (so that the mpeg can go straight to dvd) |
| [03:27:09] | GreyFoxx: | psm321: that's what they do output |
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| [03:30:04] | psm321: | GreyFoxx: oh, someone told me it was mp3 :) |
| [03:30:15] | GreyFoxx: | nope, mp2 :) |
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| [03:31:19] | psm321: | GreyFoxx: thanks :) |
| [03:32:34] | psm321: | so if i get the bitrates and such right i should be able to use the mpeg for dvd right? |
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| [03:59:50] | userlame: | hello, running into an issue with my schedule...it's correct and all but the channels are off by two...it used to be correct and somehow just went off by 2...any ideas? |
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| [04:02:09] | Anduin: | userlame: data provider? |
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| [04:02:19] | userlame: | schedules direct |
| [04:03:00] | userlame: | after doing a mythfilldatabase a few days ago it actually went back to normal for the rest of the day, but that didn't last |
| [04:03:34] | noclue: | After a certain amount of time watching livetv, or recording from livetv, video stops responding and i get the following error: MPEGRec(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding |
| [04:05:01] | noclue: | i've looked through the mailing list, and a few other people have experienced the problem, but it was either from a previous version of the ivtv drivers or something to do with SMP, which this machine doesn't employ. |
| [04:05:28] | Anduin: | userlame: May want to run it with --do-channel-updates, I can't think of a real way, maybe matching callsigns, for it to be offset by two. |
| [04:06:01] | Anduin: | noclue: anything in dmesg? |
| [04:06:21] | noclue: | ivtv0: DMA TIMEOUT 00000001 0 |
| [04:07:00] | userlame: | anduin: i'm not real sure of the db layout (kinda new to mythtv), but i checked the chanid between the program table and the channel table and those lined up ok...but i'll try that thx |
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| [04:10:11] | noclue: | Anduin: after a reboot, everything works fine for a while, then goes out again. i'm not able to reproduce the error, and i'm not sure what's triggering it. |
| [04:10:46] | noclue: | other than watching or recording(?) live tv. |
| [04:12:46] | iamlindoro: | noclue: //www.opensubscriber.com/message/ivtv-users@ivtvdriver.org/8710552.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/ivtv-us . . . 8710552.html That thread from two days ago has a suggested fix of trying the v4l hg driver, may want to give that a shot |
| [04:14:16] | iamlindoro: | specifically a patch was added 11 or so days ago dealing with DMA timing |
| [04:14:26] | iamlindoro: | http://www.linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb/rev/9cd698a3e4ba |
| [04:14:45] | noclue: | oh, excellent. i'll check it out, thanks. |
| [04:14:59] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [04:15:07] | orthoevra: | anyone know of a freevo vs. mythTV comparison web page? |
| [04:18:23] | matty-: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_PVR_software_packages |
| [04:19:07] | orthoevra: | thas a good start! thanks... my dad wants to install one of them |
| [04:21:16] | cesman: | has anyone played w/ IPTV and actually got XMLTV data bound to a IP "channel"? |
| [04:21:21] | cesman: | if so, how?! |
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| [04:28:36] | CCFL_Man2: | doesn't iptv use rtp for transport streams? |
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| [04:33:05] | cesman: | or udp |
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| [04:40:11] | userlame: | ok weird....i just went to my schedule (i've run mythfilldatabase and mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates and neither seemed to work)...as of midnight, the channels line up correctly again |
| [04:40:42] | Anduin: | userlame: --refresh-today (by default that isn't done) |
| [04:40:55] | userlame: | Anduin: awesome thx again :D |
| [04:41:19] | userlame: | i guess i can find out if it was do-channel-updates or not by what fixes today |
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| [04:50:45] | userlame: | huh. just a mythfilldatabase --refresh-today fixed today |
| [04:53:44] | CCFL_Man2: | who here gets qam channels from their cable provider? |
| [04:55:42] | cesman: | Not I |
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| [05:00:12] | lwizardl: | hi |
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| [05:01:26] | lwizardl: | what would be the most compatible video card to display mythtv onto a HDTV using either DVI or component ? |
| [05:01:52] | venkelos: | i ran 'dvbscan /usr/share/dvb/scan/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 > channels.conf' and got an empty file for channels.conf |
| [05:02:12] | Anduin: | CCFL_Man2: I do (I don't use them currently though) |
| [05:02:17] | venkelos: | i have adapter /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [05:02:19] | cesman: | hello lwizardl |
| [05:02:22] | venkelos: | any idea what step im missing? |
| [05:02:47] | iamlindoro_: | venkelos: Why are you using dvbscan at all instead of myth's scanning? |
| [05:02:51] | ** cesman would recommend a card w/ a Geforce 5200 or above ** | |
| [05:03:01] | cesman: | lwizardl: 128 megs O |
| [05:03:03] | venkelos: | because the mythtv guide said to debug using non-myth apps to isolate the problem |
| [05:03:06] | cesman: | lwizardl: 128 megs O'RAM |
| [05:03:14] | CCFL_Man2: | Anduin: you still have a config file or something of when you scanned? |
| [05:03:31] | Anduin: | CCFL_Man2: Yeah, somewhere |
| [05:04:05] | CCFL_Man2: | Anduin: i purchased a qam modulator of my own, i need to know how to configure it |
| [05:04:23] | iamlindoro_: | venkelos: What are you troubleshooting? |
| [05:04:31] | lwizardl: | CCFL_Man2, you nick is familar to me |
| [05:04:41] | Anduin: | CCFL_Man2: the wiki had the channels.conf (or close) so I'm guessing you need more than that? |
| [05:04:48] | venkelos: | i want to get a channel list, or at least establish that the pcHDTV5500 card is installed correctly |
| [05:04:55] | lwizardl: | CCFL_Man2, you mess with BUD dishes? |
| [05:05:09] | venkelos: | i imagine since its showin up in lspci and theres a dvb device, it is, but im not sure why i am not picking up any channels |
| [05:05:09] | CCFL_Man2: | Anduin: mythtv wiki? |
| [05:05:20] | CCFL_Man2: | lwizardl: yes, you are from efnet, no? |
| [05:05:32] | venkelos: | a couple days ago i was able to get like 4 channels with it, but ever since then, nothin |
| [05:05:41] | Anduin: | CCFL_Man2: Yeah, on the old adding HD channels page, if all you need is channels.conf I can dig mine up |
| [05:05:56] | iamlindoro_: | venkelos: When you got the four channels, were they network TV, or something random? |
| [05:06:07] | lwizardl: | CCFL_Man2, yes |
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| [05:06:24] | venkelos: | they seemed to be regular tv (network i guess) stuff like the 2–20 and channel 36 |
| [05:06:28] | venkelos: | i forget the network ids |
| [05:06:37] | venkelos: | and a bunch of blank channels, like 30 |
| [05:06:48] | iamlindoro_: | network tv = NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX... Were those them? |
| [05:06:52] | venkelos: | ya |
| [05:07:13] | venkelos: | KQED too i think |
| [05:07:17] | CCFL_Man2: | Anduin: can you paste it on pastebin.ca or something? |
| [05:07:20] | iamlindoro_: | Ahhhh SF Bay area |
| [05:07:33] | iamlindoro_: | venkelos: Then I can guarantee you should be getting more |
| [05:07:40] | iamlindoro_: | 'cause I'm watching Fox right now ;) |
| [05:07:45] | venkelos: | damn yer using it all up! |
| [05:07:49] | venkelos: | the tubes are only so big man |
| [05:07:58] | iamlindoro_: | plenty of tubes for everyone |
| [05:08:07] | venkelos: | are you using comcast? |
| [05:08:13] | Anduin: | CCFL_Man2: http://rafb.net/p/A9jnnd58.html the comment chars and callsigns are mine (was looking for good channels) |
| [05:08:21] | iamlindoro_: | You should be getting all the network TV, plus ll the silly religious channels, community college channels, NASA, and a few others |
| [05:08:24] | iamlindoro_: | yes, Comcast |
| [05:08:37] | CCFL_Man2: | Anduin: thanks |
| [05:11:52] | lwizardl: | cesman, so any Nvidia video card with 128mb ram or more and around the 5200 or newer? |
| [05:12:12] | iamlindoro_: | venkelos: something else you might want to know is that we get basically everything via firewire from Comcast in this area |
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| [05:12:33] | venkelos: | ya im gonna pickup a box tomorrow, but i wanted to get my machine running tonight |
| [05:12:42] | cesman: | lwizardl: yes, but you don't have to go too new |
| [05:12:52] | iamlindoro_: | venkelos: if you have an option, get a dch-3200, works really well |
| [05:12:54] | cesman: | lwizardl: just a waste of money |
| [05:13:07] | lwizardl: | cesman, I read the 440 or higher |
| [05:13:10] | venkelos: | ill try but i suspect ill just get whatever they have in stock |
| [05:13:26] | cesman: | well, you can get 440 if you want |
| [05:13:39] | iamlindoro_: | venkelos: If you tell them what you want they pretty much give it to you-- but the dch-3200 is teh standard HD non-DVR box |
| [05:13:40] | cesman: | i recommend 5200 based on _my_ testing experience |
| [05:14:02] | venkelos: | i heard they also give out 6200s, which has 2 firewire ports |
| [05:14:13] | iamlindoro_: | but not 2 tuners |
| [05:14:20] | iamlindoro_: | so the two firewire ports are sorta moot :) |
| [05:14:24] | venkelos: | oh |
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| [05:14:41] | iamlindoro_: | the second port can be used to daisy-chain them, that's all |
| [05:14:44] | venkelos: | suck, i so dont want to pay for 2 cable boxes, i was hoping i could get discovery channel + comedy central on this tuner |
| [05:15:11] | iamlindoro_: | I get DC via QAM, so if you can get that working, that may work out |
| [05:15:51] | venkelos: | if i am getting the /dev/dvb/adapter0 then it is installed correctly right? or is it possible the hardware is registering some gimp unusable version? |
| [05:16:08] | lwizardl: | I just want a video card that will playback any video resolution (480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p) onto my HDTV and still be able to use a second monitor as backup incase of setting mess up. |
| [05:16:36] | cesman: | later folks |
| [05:16:49] | iamlindoro_: | If you have /dev/dvb then odds are it's installed correctly, yes |
| [05:16:58] | venkelos: | k, ill do some googling then |
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| [05:17:58] | jamesd: | lwizardl, my nvidia quattro fx1400 does wonders.... 1920x1080 playing 1080p living room tv, plus 1400x1080 main desktop no problems |
| [05:18:39] | lwizardl: | is the pci or pcie |
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| [05:19:13] | jamesd: | mine is pci-e 16x |
| [05:19:27] | lwizardl: | the mobo I'm going to use for now is only pci |
| [05:21:10] | CCFL_Man2: | anyone know of a page on the mythtv wiki that explains the syntax of channels.conf? |
| [05:21:51] | Anduin: | CCFL_Man2: I think I found a VDR page that had the info |
| [05:22:36] | CCFL_Man2: | Anduin: i found it |
| [05:22:49] | CCFL_Man2: | ChannelName:Frequency:Modulation:VID:AID:PID |
| [05:22:57] | Anduin: | Yeah |
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| [05:23:39] | CCFL_Man2: | Anduin: i thought it would have fec |
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| [05:25:21] | CCFL_Man2: | http://www.rldrake.com/digital/tmqam.html |
| [05:25:23] | venkelos: | landro do you know if our frequency table is: Cable, Cable High, Cable HRC-High, Cable IRC-High, Cable HRC, Cable IRC? |
| [05:25:40] | iamlindoro_: | Tab auto-complete FAILS! |
| [05:25:43] | iamlindoro_: | CAble |
| [05:25:45] | iamlindoro_: | us-cable |
| [05:25:47] | venkelos: | thx |
| [05:25:51] | iamlindoro_: | almost *everyone* is us-cable |
| [05:26:08] | iamlindoro_: | well, in the US anyway :) |
| [05:26:20] | venkelos: | so everyone who isnt a terrorist |
| [05:26:31] | iamlindoro_: | Good thing they're all too asleep to hear you say that |
| [05:26:42] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro_: with hrc, harmonically related carrier, is that a harmonic of the carrier frequency? |
| [05:27:09] | iamlindoro_: | CCFL_Man2: Yes... I think there's a decent wiki article about HRC/IRC |
| [05:27:32] | iamlindoro_: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonically-related_carriers |
| [05:28:09] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh, perfect |
| [05:28:11] | iamlindoro_: | Well, I guess It's not a *good* article |
| [05:28:16] | iamlindoro_: | but it's *an* article |
| [05:28:25] | CCFL_Man2: | as long as it explains the gist |
| [05:29:44] | CCFL_Man2: | i suppose i'll just use standard |
| [05:29:57] | iamlindoro_: | No real reason to do otherwise |
| [05:30:17] | CCFL_Man2: | actually yeah, especially in my case |
| [05:31:01] | CCFL_Man2: | i learned that the qam that hdtv tuners can receive is annex b |
| [05:31:06] | CCFL_Man2: | not a |
| [05:31:16] | CCFL_Man2: | so i'll use annex b |
| [05:32:59] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro_: you know anything about qam interleaver values? |
| [05:33:15] | iamlindoro_: | Nope! |
| [05:33:36] | CCFL_Man2: | me neither :P |
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| [05:37:03] | CCFL_Man2: | oh bastard |
| [05:37:11] | CCFL_Man2: | itu charges for documents |
| [05:46:53] | venkelos: | why is there not a website that is exactly my problem on my exact machine with my current distro |
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| [05:49:02] | lwizardl: | anyone using a GeForce 7300GS? |
| [05:49:52] | iamlindoro_: | I have one on one of my Myth boxes... works very well. |
| [05:50:11] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, sweet so it has linux support |
| [05:50:30] | lwizardl: | i'm going to just buy all new hardware for my myth box |
| [05:50:37] | iamlindoro_: | All the nVidia cards work perfectly |
| [05:50:45] | iamlindoro_: | I'm not aware of any modern cards that don't |
| [05:50:54] | lwizardl: | :) |
| [05:51:02] | iamlindoro_: | Well, I mean, who knows about the new 9600s, but everything else 5200 + |
| [05:51:13] | iamlindoro_: | and probably the 9600s too I would expect |
| [05:51:46] | lwizardl: | cool |
| [05:52:35] | lwizardl: | so do you watch HD on your myth box? |
| [05:52:48] | iamlindoro_: | yup |
| [05:53:29] | iamlindoro_: | but anything 5200 + will behave identically (ie you will get the same performance with a 5200 as you do with a 8600) |
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| [05:54:53] | psm321: | how does myth's sleep work? (accidentally hit sleep in the menu while watching a recording... what will it do and how do i stop it?) |
| [05:56:16] | psm321: | btw i've seen cable-hrc in the us (when i was in new jersey) |
| [05:56:19] | lwizardl: | ok for a mythtv box what is better AMD or Intel? i'm planning on doing HDTV stream recording |
| [05:56:32] | venkelos: | amd is on its way out |
| [05:56:33] | iamlindoro_: | Myth just hooks into ACPI suspend/wakeup-- presuming it's set up properly, that is-- a lot of suspend/wakeup stuff needs tweaking to work properly, so there's no telling what it'll do if you haven't set it up |
| [05:56:36] | venkelos: | buy nothing amd or ati |
| [05:56:50] | iamlindoro_: | lwizardl: HD recording is easy, doesn't take much work at all-- playback is the hard part |
| [05:56:58] | CCFL_Man2: | interesting itu-t j83 annex a uses dvb fec encoding, itu-t j38 annex b uses digicipherII fec encoding |
| [05:57:09] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, well plan on doing that also |
| [05:57:29] | psm321: | iamlindoro_: any idea how i can cancel it? |
| [05:57:35] | venkelos: | im not just being a fan boy, amd is in serious economic trouble |
| [05:57:38] | iamlindoro_: | If all you are playing is US broadcast HD, *any* dual core processor will be more than enough |
| [05:57:46] | iamlindoro_: | psm321: nope |
| [05:58:41] | psm321: | heh just saw a google add for beyondtv when i searched for mythtv stuff: " MythTV is a lot of work SnapStream Beyond TV is easy. Even detects and skips commercials!" |
| [05:58:50] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, well US broadcast & DVB satellite |
| [05:59:06] | iamlindoro_: | lwizardl: Still all mpeg-2, same workload |
| [05:59:14] | lwizardl: | k |
| [06:00:03] | CCFL_Man2: | the fec encoding most US cable providers use is digicipher II fec encoding, opencable uses the same encoding |
| [06:02:04] | CCFL_Man2: | interleaving modes i can use are 128/1 or 128/4, on certain motorola cable boxes like the dct2000, interleave rate of 128/4 must be used |
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| [06:02:26] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, what I'm wanting to do is possibly recording 2 HD streams simultaneously. and maybe watch a pre-recorded one while the others record |
| [06:02:46] | CCFL_Man2: | question is, what do regular qam tuners like |
| [06:03:00] | CCFL_Man2: | i guessing it doesn't matter |
| [06:03:10] | iamlindoro_: | lwizardl: Like I said, recording HD, even multiple streams, is very very little processor... playing back one while doing so will be fine |
| [06:03:15] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, what stats should I be looking for? CPU & RAM |
| [06:03:57] | iamlindoro_: | lwizardl: *any* dual core and 1 GB + of RAM will be more than enough for what you've described... E4500 is a good chip, and cheap |
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| [06:05:08] | lwizardl: | so a 2.2ghz duo 2 should be fine |
| [06:05:27] | iamlindoro_: | More than fine |
| [06:05:36] | iamlindoro_: | you could get away with far less just doing broadcast |
| [06:06:01] | iamlindoro_: | I like the 2.2 because if you *do* start playing high-bitrate h.264 at some point, it would be possible |
| [06:06:16] | ** xris has a 2.8Ghz pentium D workstation for sale. :) ** | |
| [06:06:27] | lwizardl: | i do have some h.264 videos |
| [06:06:49] | iamlindoro_: | lwizardl: since you probably downloaded them, they wouldn't even begin to tax that machine |
| [06:07:07] | iamlindoro_: | since they'd be so low bitrate as to not even be an issue |
| [06:07:12] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, umm yeah got them from "friends" |
| [06:07:37] | iamlindoro_: | most stuff that purports to be "1080p blu-ray ripz0rs" is about 10 Mbit... real stuff off the disc is up to 40 Mbit |
| [06:08:07] | CCFL_Man2: | i need to get a blu ray player |
| [06:08:21] | CCFL_Man2: | and an hd dvd player, both with hd-sdi output |
| [06:08:38] | CCFL_Man2: | my e-Penis would be so huge |
| [06:08:57] | iamlindoro_: | My "gold Standard" is the Transformers MKV everyone in the universe seems to have downloaded, the "1080p Rip", that is 1/3rd the bitrate of my gin-you-wine Transformers HD DVD |
| [06:09:13] | lwizardl: | I got both HD formats I and have always prefered HD-DVD. I don't plan to buy any more blurays until I own each video on hddvd |
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| [06:09:47] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, I own the real disc for that |
| [06:09:54] | xris: | odd. blu ray is supposed to be way better |
| [06:10:01] | xris: | iamlindoro: no talk of piracy here. |
| [06:10:17] | iamlindoro_: | xris: I'm not talking about piracy, I'm ridiculing it |
| [06:10:29] | iamlindoro_: | well, I mean I'm talking about what a joke it is, I guess |
| [06:10:51] | xris: | still implies you've seen it. |
| [06:11:00] | lwizardl: | xris, play the american Crank Bluray and then play the import hd-dvd and you will see a difference |
| [06:11:18] | xris: | lwizardl: doubt I would. no HD. |
| [06:11:20] | iamlindoro_: | xris: Only from the wiki page I set up re: hd playback reports-- it appears there a few times and the bitrate is reported |
| [06:11:29] | xris: | heh |
| [06:12:07] | iamlindoro_: | That's when I said, " Hey, that is *not* the bitrate of *my* rip" |
| [06:12:24] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, I actively refuse to help people who want to even play pirated stuff in here, so I should get a little credit :) |
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| [06:14:39] | xris: | yeah, just a gentle reminder.. better to err on the side of over-enforcement than get mythtv perceived as a vehicle for video copyright infringement |
| [06:14:51] | james__: | true |
| [06:15:35] | xris: | esp. since I'd be among the group that the {MP,RI}AA would come after if such a thing happened. :) |
| [06:16:07] | venkelos: | thugs |
| [06:17:01] | CCFL_Man2: | well, we all know the MPAA and RIAA are little dicked bastards with lots of money and nothing else better to do that bully people around |
| [06:20:52] | CCFL_Man2: | but thats beside the point :) |
| [06:21:16] | CCFL_Man2: | dammit my signal is low |
| [06:21:43] | venkelos: | least you are getting something, im getting a buncha 'no tables' whatever that means |
| [06:22:40] | CCFL_Man2: | venkelos: the audio cuts out |
| [06:22:56] | venkelos: | sux |
| [06:23:04] | venkelos: | just use subtitles :) |
| [06:23:20] | venkelos: | then you can get <<scarey music>> to appear at the bottom of yer screen |
| [06:23:24] | CCFL_Man2: | it's a radio service :P |
| [06:23:28] | venkelos: | even better |
| [06:24:07] | CCFL_Man2: | DW 2 Radio |
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| [06:28:25] | CCFL_Man2: | this 3 way satellte splitter might degrade it |
| [06:29:07] | venkelos: | thats it im just building every single dvb frontend |
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| [06:38:38] | iamlindoro: | Yeeee! Firefly coming back to Universal HD next month, I'll finally be able to archive it in 1080i |
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| [06:50:19] | noige: | hi |
| [06:50:20] | noige: | so |
| [06:50:27] | noige: | mythtv is awesome |
| [06:50:37] | noige: | but I have a question |
| [06:50:46] | ** noige knows jack about tv, hdtv sound etc ** | |
| [06:51:27] | noige: | I have my mythtv box connected to my cable line via a 3 way split. When I change the channel on the tv it changes the channel on my myth box |
| [06:52:02] | noige: | what I would like to do is have it the same as my other tv's where I can change the channel on the tv and not have it change on the mythbox |
| [06:52:16] | noige: | any advice |
| [06:52:26] | venkelos: | change at which point you are splitting the wire? |
| [06:52:37] | noige: | I thought about that |
| [06:52:48] | noige: | I am using the hauppage pvr 150 |
| [06:52:55] | noige: | uhh |
| [06:53:01] | noige: | I guess I should just try it |
| [06:53:05] | noige: | instead of asking |
| [06:53:10] | noige: | BRB CABLE CHANGE! |
| [06:59:53] | noige: | ok |
| [07:00:33] | noige: | it will do the basic cable channels (comcast) do I have to have another cable box to get it to decode all the upper channels? (I want to record adult swim) |
| [07:00:48] | noige: | venkelos: thanks btw |
| [07:04:02] | iamlindoro: | The short answer is yes-- an analog tuner will only be able to tune analog channels, generally the first 80 or so but very occasionally up to 120 |
| [07:04:40] | iamlindoro: | which is determined by how many channels your cable co broadcasts in analog |
| [07:05:20] | venkelos: | check me out, im crazy helpful |
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| [07:06:56] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: standard goes up to channel 158 |
| [07:07:03] | CCFL_Man2: | i think |
| [07:07:23] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: 120 are generally used, but 80 or so is what most Cable Cos broadcast in analog |
| [07:07:35] | CCFL_Man2: | yeah |
| [07:07:51] | CCFL_Man2: | cumcast in my area uses midband |
| [07:08:01] | CCFL_Man2: | 95 to 99 |
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| [07:10:28] | CCFL_Man2: | wonder what channel i could use |
| [07:11:25] | CCFL_Man2: | my upconverter is agile, channel 2 to 135 cable, 2 to 96 broadcast |
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| [07:16:09] | CCFL_Man2: | 69 rather |
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| [07:35:33] | noige: | so sosdf |
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| [08:29:18] | RuFI0: | hello, does anyone know where mythbrowser's config file is located? |
| [08:29:21] | RuFI0: | i can't seem to find it |
| [08:30:07] | hnitsuj: | config file? I was under the impression all plugin configs are stored in the database |
| [08:31:09] | RuFI0: | i though mythbrowser uses khtml, so i was under the impression that it would have a config file like konqueror does |
| [08:31:22] | RuFI0: | *thought |
| [08:32:47] | clever[rev]: | mythfrontend -v database |
| [08:32:59] | clever[rev]: | watch it when using mythbrowser for any config like querys |
| [08:34:04] | Ribs: | some of it will be in .kde |
| [08:34:09] | Ribs: | like cookies and cache |
| [08:34:23] | RuFI0: | yup |
| [08:34:25] | ** Ribs is just assuming here, however ** | |
| [08:34:33] | RuFI0: | i'm trying to change the html font size |
| [08:34:51] | RuFI0: | i know where kde stores them for each user |
| [08:35:02] | hnitsuj: | well, I can categorically state that mysql -u $user -p$password mythconverg -e 'select * from settings where value like "%webbrowse%";' will shed some light ;) |
| [08:35:39] | hnitsuj: | there's 'WebBrowserZoomLevel' which might be the equivalent I'm not sure |
| [08:35:53] | Ribs: | wouldn't that also resize images though? |
| [08:36:05] | RuFI0: | nope, i've searched there before |
| [08:36:14] | RuFI0: | the DB only has values that you can change in mythtv |
| [08:36:34] | RuFI0: | i've tried changing the zoom level and it didn't work |
| [08:38:10] | RuFI0: | i tried running DISPLAY=localhost:0 mythbrowser -z 20 --config /home/mythtv/.kde/share/config//home/mythtv/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc http://www.website.com |
| [08:38:12] | hnitsuj: | web browsing on the TV (even a HDTV) – was pointless & no doubt always will be |
| [08:38:23] | RuFI0: | it works just fine if i explicitly specify the config file |
| [08:39:09] | hnitsuj: | just because a TV is capable of showing detail of fonts 8 pixels high doesn't mean you'll be able to use it sat in your favourite chair ;) |
| [08:39:38] | RuFI0: | true |
| [08:39:52] | RuFI0: | but it's just something that i need to get done |
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| [10:19:40] | Dibblah: | Interesting. Trying to save a little power – So switched the frontend down from 1Gbit/s to 100Mbit/s. *very* noticable performance difference. |
| [10:20:02] | Dibblah: | (It's a saving of about 3w, for anyone that's insane) |
| [10:25:51] | hnitsuj: | 3w? jesus that doesn't sound right |
| [10:26:12] | hnitsuj: | unless it's the CPU doing the work, of course |
| [10:35:03] | DGnome: | I think it sounds right |
| [10:35:13] | Dibblah: | No, it is. |
| [10:35:19] | DGnome: | ethernet is not the big bad energyhog |
| [10:35:26] | Dibblah: | However, it's *two* places the power consumption happens at. |
| [10:35:35] | Dibblah: | The switch and the device. |
| [10:36:00] | DGnome: | PSU:s are only 80% effective, CPU:s eat lots of power when not idle |
| [10:36:08] | Dibblah: | I believe the performance issue *may* be because I'm not using noac. |
| [10:36:23] | Dibblah: | DGnome: Ah, another nohz believer. |
| [10:37:01] | Dibblah: | The difference between 200 wakeups / sec and 10 is less than 1/10th of a watt. |
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| [10:38:47] | hnitsuj: | but 3W for a bloody ethernet chip? sounds like a lot |
| [10:39:12] | hnitsuj: | at 3v3 that's almost an amp! |
| [10:39:47] | hnitsuj: | even assuming 50% efficiency on the PSU (worst possible no doubt) 500mA is a lot for an ethernet chip |
| [10:40:01] | Dibblah: | Think about the switching speed. |
| [10:40:09] | Dibblah: | Think that it's an inductive line. |
| [10:40:26] | Dibblah: | It's not the steady-state that's expensive – It's the transitions. |
| [10:40:35] | hnitsuj: | still doesn't add up IMHO |
| [10:41:02] | Dibblah: | 1.5w on each end. Sorry – I should have been more obvious above. |
| [10:41:29] | Dibblah: | It's similar on SATA. |
| [10:42:16] | Dibblah: | There's a massive step in power consumption between gigabit and 100meg ethernet chips. |
| [10:42:35] | hnitsuj: | jees – I was completely wrong. Got an Intel gig e controller datasheet here – 430mA on 100 base T (!) |
| [10:42:58] | hnitsuj: | 1.4W at 1000mbit/sec. |
| [10:43:32] | hnitsuj: | I have to say I'm surprised – but then as you say Dibblah it's more than likely because of the load & fast edges |
| [10:43:53] | DGnome: | 1.4W, omgnoes :) |
| [10:44:41] | DGnome: | One should also consider the fact that electric appliances help heating the building :) |
| [10:45:01] | DGnome: | that's my philosofy ;) |
| [10:45:10] | DGnome: | makes me feel alot better |
| [10:45:19] | Dibblah: | http://pastebin.ca/927520 |
| [10:45:44] | Dibblah: | hnitsuj: Heh. Oh dear – We went for different datasheets. |
| [10:45:59] | Dibblah: | And you're much faster then me :( |
| [10:46:45] | rooaus: | hnitsuj: Probably the RAM peak currents... you would be surprised how significant they can be (per access), even if they only exist for a few ps. |
| [10:47:33] | Dibblah: | And again, remember that it's pretty similar consumption on the switch end. |
| [10:51:30] | Dibblah: | rooaus: Compared to driving a 100m long inductive / capacitive load, RAM (even dual-port) is negligable. |
| [11:05:24] | hashbang: | DGnome: yup, but electricity is ~4x more expensive than gas per Kwh |
| [11:05:45] | hnitsuj: | yeah if there was that much inductive / capacitive load on the ram lines.. you'd know about it! |
| [11:06:02] | DGnome: | hashbang: gas is not apromary power source here |
| [11:06:09] | DGnome: | gah |
| [11:06:13] | hashbang: | DGnome: fair enough, then. It is, in the UK. |
| [11:06:47] | hashbang: | DGnome: how are Finnish homes usually heated, then? |
| [11:07:04] | hnitsuj: | by suicide ;) |
| [11:07:33] | DGnome: | hashbang: nowadays we build heatpumps that take the energy from the bedrock :) |
| [11:08:26] | blackest: | I like them what sort of efficiency do you get from them |
| [11:08:31] | hnitsuj: | whee a one pixel thick yellow line just appeared on the monitor |
| [11:08:45] | hashbang: | DGnome: is that usually one per home? |
| [11:08:53] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: I think that's Sweden, isn't it? ;-) |
| [11:09:20] | hnitsuj: | more enlightened places use heat from burning rubbish – sometimes even to generate power too |
| [11:09:36] | hnitsuj: | hashbang: ahhh that'd be it |
| [11:09:36] | DGnome: | hashbang: per home yes |
| [11:09:49] | Dibblah: | We have a fluidised bed incinerator here. |
| [11:10:02] | Dibblah: | ... The heat is thrown away. |
| [11:10:17] | blackest: | sheffield has a big incinerator heating a lot of flats, its the only nice feature |
| [11:10:34] | DGnome: | hashbang: watercarried heat inside the home also |
| [11:11:29] | DGnome: | hashbang: cities and apartment buildings are usually heated by remote heatplant that pushes out superheated steam |
| [11:13:32] | hashbang: | DGnome: yeah, UK central heating in homes is usually water-filled radiators |
| [11:13:59] | Dibblah: | Rather more than slightly different principals :) |
| [11:14:35] | hashbang: | DGnome: back in the 80s, there was a bit of promotion of electric heating (in the age of the unbridled expansion of nuclear power – "electricity too cheap to meter"), but gas is predominant, except in remote rural areas (oil) |
| [11:15:23] | Dibblah: | "unbridled expansion"?!?!?!? |
| [11:16:28] | Dibblah: | We have 19 of them. |
| [11:16:40] | Dibblah: | Most of which are not really power producing. |
| [11:17:25] | blackest: | anyone here got ebico ? |
| [11:17:45] | Dibblah: | Yeah, but a trip to the doctor sorted it. |
| [11:17:54] | blackest: | its the cheapest gas and electricity supplier in the uk |
| [11:18:09] | blackest: | they are a non profit |
| [11:18:17] | hnitsuj: | so how comes we've not eard of em then? |
| [11:18:49] | hnitsuj: | jesus. are they sane? not for profit? |
| [11:18:56] | blackest: | don't know why I found em in january and my electric is now a third cheaper |
| [11:19:25] | blackest: | http://www.ebico.co.uk/website2008/pages4/home4.php |
| [11:20:54] | blackest: | https://www.ebico.org.uk/website2008/pages4/e_rates.php |
| [11:21:07] | hnitsuj: | wow., easy to understand rates too |
| [11:21:25] | blackest: | or about 10p a unit no standing charge no different rate according to how you pay |
| [11:22:32] | blackest: | it was really nice the first time i put some electric in via my key meter i saw it drop to 9.xx per unit from 15.x per unit |
| [11:22:54] | hnitsuj: | key meters are stupidly expensive anyway |
| [11:23:08] | blackest: | but not with this company |
| [11:23:21] | blackest: | its the same as with a standard meter |
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| [11:24:34] | blackest: | its nice not to get a massive bill |
| [11:25:45] | blackest: | i've gas with them as well but 6 months of the year i dont use it so 0 standing charge really is good for me |
| [11:26:18] | blackest: | took about 6 weeks to change over |
| [11:26:50] | blackest: | any way enough free advertising |
| [11:27:36] | hnitsuj: | not for profit energy suppliers – such a way out concept it's jarring |
| [11:27:57] | hnitsuj: | next thing I'll hear is that they're ethical & stuff |
| [11:28:23] | hnitsuj: | :O |
| [11:30:30] | blackest: | well actually yes |
| [11:30:50] | Dibblah: | ... They're not energy providers, |
| [11:30:56] | hnitsuj: | 'based upon Christian Gospels'.. now I've heard everything |
| [11:30:58] | Dibblah: | They're energy resellers. |
| [11:31:09] | hnitsuj: | but hey if it gets me cheaper leccy... |
| [11:32:34] | blackest: | if you have a recent gas bill you can check how much you would have paid |
| [11:33:18] | hnitsuj: | we pay £unknown by direct debit. will look into it properly when I'm done with the house inventory |
| [11:33:50] | Dibblah: | 9.3 v 10.75. Cheaper with my current supplier. |
| [11:33:59] | Dibblah: | For electric. Same for gas. |
| [11:34:13] | hnitsuj: | I think both mine are going to come out cheaper |
| [11:34:16] | blackest: | any standing charge ? |
| [11:34:21] | Dibblah: | No. |
| [11:34:37] | hnitsuj: | cheaper & ethical – doesn't get much better if it's for real & they don't go bust :P |
| [11:34:40] | blackest: | primary and secondary units |
| [11:34:51] | Dibblah: | I'm saying it's *not* cheaper. |
| [11:35:12] | blackest: | who are you with ? |
| [11:35:20] | Dibblah: | Scottish Hydro. |
| [11:35:38] | hnitsuj: | 10.75 is more than I pay now I know that much |
| [11:35:59] | hnitsuj: | but for the NW region they reckon 9.63 pence per kWh |
| [11:37:03] | blackest: | it does depend where you are in the country |
| [11:37:54] | hashbang: | Dibblah: well, the government of the 80s found it a lot easier to get nuke stations built then than any government would today. |
| [11:38:02] | hashbang: | Dibblah: was the point I was making. :-) |
| [11:38:26] | blackest: | 9.36 for me |
| [11:38:38] | blackest: | 11. something for south wales |
| [11:38:57] | hashbang: | blackest: key meters are horrible. You have my sympathies. If you can, try to get onto a direct debit account. If you can't, Ebico probably are the best you can do. |
| [11:40:07] | blackest: | i prefer the key meters due to the huge electric use in my house |
| [11:40:42] | blackest: | its much easier to bitch about how much i'm paying out each week |
| [11:41:13] | blackest: | typically between £20-£30 a week |
| [11:41:32] | blackest: | during the winter any way in summer more like £10 |
| [11:42:35] | blackest: | I wouldnt want any power company taking 3–400 out my current account |
| [11:43:59] | blackest: | I guess thats why I keep looking at wind turbines :) too expensive thou for what they generate on a small scale |
| [11:46:20] | Dibblah: | Okay. So... You use a lot of electricity. And that's a _good_ reason to be on a higher tarriff? |
| [11:47:41] | blackest: | well actually its just decreased by about 5p a unit by switching over |
| [11:47:52] | blackest: | i was with npower |
| [11:49:21] | ** hashbang uses the comparison websites every year or so ** | |
| [11:49:27] | ** hashbang needs to do that again, really ** | |
| [11:49:34] | hnitsuj: | how about just using less?! |
| [11:49:53] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: me, or blackest? |
| [11:50:16] | hnitsuj: | our gas bills used to be astronomical – I found our mrs was putting the heating on then opening the windows to cool down! |
| [11:50:18] | ** hashbang uses about 30/month. ** | |
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| [11:50:34] | hnitsuj: | hashbang: everybody – using less is the easiest way to cut the bills down :) |
| [11:50:38] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: d'oh! :-) |
| [11:51:20] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: yup; I'm mostly CFL, these days, I keep an eye on standby/wallwarts and all my white goods are Class A, IIRC. |
| [11:51:32] | hnitsuj: | if I could get a newer motherboard with as many PCI slots as my backend has I'd update that to save energy too |
| [11:51:56] | hnitsuj: | £8 a month, my backend costs me |
| [11:52:06] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: at some point, I really ought to move my mail onto my myth FE/BE so that machine can be switched off for ~18 hours/day |
| [11:52:13] | Dibblah: | justdave: I cheat. I have a 3-port active PCI bridge. |
| [11:52:16] | Dibblah: | Argh. |
| [11:52:25] | hnitsuj: | mythtv cheaper than Sly ? just about! |
| [11:52:28] | Dibblah: | Sorry, justdave. |
| [11:52:59] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: probably about 6 quid here, I think, based on it drawing ~100W |
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| [11:53:21] | blackest: | ebico wins on uswitch for gas |
| [11:53:26] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: but it's my firewall and DNS anyway, so it'd be on most of the day anyway. |
| [11:53:28] | Dibblah: | My average house consumption is currently running at 720w. |
| [11:53:50] | hnitsuj: | award for stupidest -dev list post of the month goes to... Toshiba HD-DVD mythfrontend? :O |
| [11:53:50] | Dibblah: | Nighttime is ~480w. |
| [11:57:27] | hnitsuj: | interesting email got filtered into junk – a manufacturer of mythtv boxes in the UK wanting to host the themes. they can fuck off |
| [11:59:28] | Dibblah: | Technically speaking, they can do what they want... ;) |
| [11:59:49] | hnitsuj: | if they can find them |
| [12:00:15] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: who's the mfg'er? |
| [12:00:24] | hnitsuj: | http://www.myrtlemedia.co.uk/ |
| [12:00:28] | ** hashbang wasn't aware of any UK-based MythTV box mfg'ers. ** | |
| [12:01:02] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: ta! |
| [12:01:05] | hnitsuj: | oo they do Intergration |
| [12:02:13] | hnitsuj: | not integration |
| [12:02:37] | Dibblah: | Actually, the HD-A1 is probably quite a nice frontend... |
| [12:02:48] | Dibblah: | P4 / standard PC... |
| [12:04:36] | hnitsuj: | well, at least I didn't reply to the email with a F.O. – I'll just leave it |
| [12:04:50] | Dibblah: | Standard IDE connection... |
| [12:05:14] | directhex|bsp: | Dibblah, barely any ram... |
| [12:05:23] | Dibblah: | 1Gb? |
| [12:05:50] | hnitsuj: | not enough for blootube-wide at 1080 :P |
| [12:05:50] | Dibblah: | And in a standard SODIMM socket... |
| [12:06:19] | Dibblah: | Of course, most of the issue is going to be about the video output, as always. |
| [12:06:43] | ** hashbang wishes the Xv output via interlaced VGA wasn't scan-doubled. :-( ** | |
| [12:06:45] | hnitsuj: | and how the HD is accelerated |
| [12:06:47] | hashbang: | (nvidia) |
| [12:07:06] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: don't you think they were just trying to be polite? |
| [12:09:06] | Dibblah: | It's accellerated through the video hardware. |
| [12:09:18] | Dibblah: | bcm7411 |
| [12:09:35] | Dibblah: | Broadcom – So no datasheet :( |
| [12:09:41] | hnitsuj: | Dibblah: yeah but mythtv doesn't yet have a tickbox for 'use HD-A1 video decoder' :P |
| [12:09:51] | Dibblah: | However, mpeg2 / h.264 hardware decoder... |
| [12:10:29] | hnitsuj: | I'm not going to discuss my disdain for companies making money out of open source without giving stuff back |
| [12:12:16] | hnitsuj: | like it's ok for people to slave their guts out making things only to have people take it & sell it on – I'm not in that game mister. and yeah I know it's just aswell everybody else doesn't think that way, but that's their own decision |
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| [12:19:12] | Dibblah: | Well, on the plus side, they don't appear to be showing your themes... |
| [12:20:31] | blackest: | they seem expensive |
| [12:21:15] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: at least they're documenting precisely what hardware they're using, which acts as a hardware compatibility list of sorts |
| [12:21:35] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: to my mind, that has some value, especially for newbies wondering what to buy to build a nice Myth system. |
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| [12:31:23] | hnitsuj: | the nova-t500 cards wouldn't be on my list of recommended hardware yet |
| [12:32:00] | blackest: | they are about £50 |
| [12:32:13] | anykey_: | Is someone using a DVB-S2 device? (Yes, I know, the multiproto api is not stable) |
| [12:33:47] | hnitsuj: | blackest: cost is never even a factor when stability is what's really at play |
| [12:35:10] | ** hnitsuj wonders just how many Friends box sets the woman involved in http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/04/international_roaming/ could buy for £11,000 ** | |
| [12:36:28] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: my Nova-T-500 JFWs. I think I got it for 40 quid through insight (staff discount because of my employer) |
| [12:36:53] | hnitsuj: | hashbang: do you use EIT? |
| [12:36:57] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: in fact, it works better than my pair of Nova-Ts did |
| [12:37:00] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: yup. |
| [12:37:28] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: standard FC8 kernel driver, latest firmware. |
| [12:38:17] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: I would love to see a report that those cheap Twinhan dual-tuner USB sticks from Maplin (£24.99) work, though. |
| [12:38:20] | Dibblah: | If it's okay for you, that's great. |
| [12:38:29] | Dibblah: | Most people have troubles, though. |
| [12:38:55] | ** Dibblah won't buy from Maplin since they started gaming google. ** | |
| [12:38:58] | hnitsuj: | another thing – I hope to gawd that company isn't shipping any machines with uk_rt preconfigured |
| [12:39:20] | Dibblah: | And because they suck, compared to Rapid, but that's a seperate issue. |
| [12:39:24] | Dibblah: | Why? |
| [12:39:24] | hnitsuj: | Dibblah: a £20 PCI tuner I bought from the aforementioned place works |
| [12:39:37] | hashbang: | Dibblah: I wonder how much of the Nova-T-500 problems are down to the chipset used to implement PCI in the affected hosts |
| [12:39:53] | Dibblah: | Don't know. |
| [12:39:53] | hashbang: | Dibblah: I use an old i845PE/Celeron machine |
| [12:40:11] | hnitsuj: | why? because then 'personal use' enters into a very grey area. the same kind of area which got zap2it boshed |
| [12:40:12] | Dibblah: | I'd like to see what difference plugging them into a different USB2 port makes. |
| [12:40:18] | hashbang: | Dibblah: certainly VIA are known to have problems with PCI. |
| [12:40:41] | Dibblah: | (And yes, I'm well aware of what that would require) |
| [12:41:04] | hashbang: | Dibblah: rather than the onboard VIA USB bridge, you mean? |
| [12:41:13] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [12:43:04] | hashbang: | VIA are supposed to have a decent rep for their USB bridge, but, yeah, based on my previous comments, that might be an interesting experiment... |
| [12:43:07] | hnitsuj: | never had any issues with my kt233 or kt400 chipset boards personally |
| [12:43:10] | hashbang: | Dibblah: NEC or Intel, perhaps |
| [12:43:59] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kern . . . 09/7761.html |
| [12:44:29] | hnitsuj: | oh – Epia sucks. tell me something I didn't already know! |
| [12:44:37] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: heh |
| [12:44:47] | blackest: | anyone got decent results from a usb tv stick without having it plugged into a fixed ariel? |
| [12:44:56] | hnitsuj: | blackest: I doubt it |
| [12:45:18] | Dibblah: | It's not too bad if you have a laptop. |
| [12:45:28] | Dibblah: | Then you can go and sit under the tower. |
| [12:46:11] | hnitsuj: | indoor aerials have always been so-so at best |
| [12:46:26] | Dibblah: | I used to make my own. |
| [12:46:37] | hnitsuj: | maybe after the switchoff of analogue when the digital power levels are increased... |
| [12:46:39] | Dibblah: | Cardboard + aluminium foil. |
| [12:46:50] | blackest: | no point in getting one for a laptop then. |
| [12:46:54] | Dibblah: | No. |
| [12:47:13] | hnitsuj: | if you live in one of those new paper houses & have no double-glazing... |
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| [12:47:25] | hnitsuj: | and live in the shadow of the tx mast... |
| [12:47:46] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: ah ha, but if you have a paper house, you'll probably have foil-lined plasterboard too... :-( |
| [12:47:53] | hashbang: | like me |
| [12:48:02] | hnitsuj: | Winterhill's digital muxes are only on about 5kW IIRC |
| [12:48:05] | hashbang: | (except my home is part of an old church :-) |
| [12:48:07] | hnitsuj: | hahahaha |
| [12:49:46] | blackest: | heres a thing i am thinking of getting either an 8gb or 16 gb sdhc card for my eee about 21 and 43 quid respectively would you go for the cheaper card and figure its big enough or splash out for the 16gb card |
| [12:50:06] | directhex|bsp: | be careful with sdhc selection, not all work in the eee |
| [12:51:13] | blackest: | they are both PEAK |
| [12:51:22] | hnitsuj: | wrong again. winterhill's muxes are on 10kw. analogue is 500kW ERP ! |
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| [12:52:32] | hnitsuj: | analogue switchoff brings the mux power up to 100kW :) |
| [12:52:46] | blackest: | i dunno if i go for 8gb if i will be itching to get a 16gb card shortly after |
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| [12:57:08] | Dibblah: | ... At which point, the people who have really nasty receivers will need attenuators :) |
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| [12:58:14] | directhex|bsp: | Problem Severity: S1 – Critical |
| [12:58:14] | directhex|bsp: | Problem Summary: SF5: System down, multiple failures |
| [12:58:46] | hnitsuj: | Dibblah: either that or people' |
| [12:59:04] | hnitsuj: | people with K-world tuners will report that stuff 'just works all of a sudden' |
| [13:00:19] | blackest: | k-world tuners are not so bad although i guess i'd be removing the signal booster i'm using right now |
| [13:00:32] | hnitsuj: | ok then. maybe not kworld. Twinhan |
| [13:01:07] | Dibblah: | Twinhan isn't so bad if you're not using the CAM. |
| [13:01:24] | blackest: | off shopping 8gb is just about big enough |
| [13:01:28] | Dibblah: | ... Or, preferrably, the tuner. |
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| [13:08:10] | mzb_d800: | I have a K-World Vstream USB2 tuner ... gives better results (in a lot of ways) to a Leadtek Winfast card .... *except* that it doesn't like cold boot => have to hotplug it |
| [13:08:29] | mzb_d800: | bit different to a PCI version I guess |
| [13:09:34] | mzb_d800: | only other mod has been to v4l-dvb to get the remote working properly ... there's something screwy in the source I've not been able to figure out, but my hack works better than the original |
| [13:10:34] | mzb_d800: | blackest: I'd be interested to see how you go with SDHC on eeepc, for a number of reasons |
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| [13:11:50] | DGnome: | hmm, anybody heard if the h.264 skiploopfilter options are coming to the Internal player in svn? |
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| [13:16:31] | hnitsuj: | thought they were already |
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| [13:20:23] | directhex|bsp: | AFAIK it's in the db but not exposed in the UI |
| [13:26:12] | DGnome: | so it can be modified in the db? not that I want to :) |
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| [13:29:22] | DGnome: | trying to prepare for HD-broadcasts over cable, really hop the cable company went for h.264 and by trying to decode their brochure about the HD, it would seem to be h.264 |
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| [13:33:30] | hnitsuj: | no sense in it being mpeg2 |
| [13:34:01] | DGnome: | nope |
| [13:34:48] | DGnome: | but you never know how stupid they can be |
| [13:35:45] | DGnome: | broadcasting starts tomorrow but I'll be getting my subscription next week |
| [13:36:46] | Dibblah: | Why would you hope for h.264? |
| [13:37:12] | Dibblah: | DGnome: There's a skiploopfilter patch in Trac, ISTR. |
| [13:37:35] | Dibblah: | It's not in the DB yet, I believe. |
| [13:38:51] | DGnome: | not yet, ok |
| [13:42:50] | hnitsuj: | Dibblah: why would you hope for h.264? over mpeg2? I'd have thought that'd be obvious |
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| [13:43:08] | hnitsuj: | ZOMG TEH KWALITEEES! |
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| [13:53:47] | DGnome: | you can save BW with h.264 |
| [13:55:40] | hnitsuj: | much rather have the same number of channels at higher Q thanks |
| [13:56:01] | DGnome: | I'm happy as long as I can have HD broadcasts |
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| [13:56:25] | hnitsuj: | I've seen mpeg2 hd from the US. our SDTV looks about the same, and it ain't brilliant |
| [13:56:53] | hnitsuj: | bitrate for res, our SDTV is very similar to USA HD in mpeg2 |
| [13:57:16] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: was it you who said software video procesing cannot compete with DSP-chips? |
| [13:57:28] | hnitsuj: | probably |
| [13:57:42] | hnitsuj: | what I meant was _mythtv_ |
| [13:58:38] | DGnome: | okay, tell me why my mythtv installation can do better 1080p50 upconversion from 576i50 than any STB i've ever seen? |
| [13:59:02] | hnitsuj: | the STBs are crap? |
| [13:59:15] | hnitsuj: | mythtv isn't doing anything special at all.. yet |
| [13:59:44] | DGnome: | greedyh2x + xv scaling is better than most tv sets handle |
| [13:59:57] | Dibblah: | Riiight. |
| [14:00:13] | Dibblah: | That's highly dependant on the video card's scaler quality. |
| [14:00:21] | Dibblah: | Which in general, is pretty nasty. |
| [14:01:02] | DGnome: | software scaling can be better, i know |
| [14:01:51] | DGnome: | But tv sets and stb:s are even worse |
| [14:02:13] | DGnome: | my god the image rapeage |
| [14:02:32] | DGnome: | makes puppies and kittens cry |
| [14:04:35] | Dibblah: | Uhm.... Right. |
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| [14:27:04] | Slingky: | hi guys! |
| [14:27:25] | Slingky: | please, could somebody point me to a guide to scan bev channels ? |
| [14:28:12] | sid3windr: | beverage channels? |
| [14:28:54] | Slingky: | no i mean bev : bell express vu |
| [14:29:03] | Dibblah: | Slingky: Not here, no. |
| [14:29:08] | Slingky: | ok |
| [14:29:25] | Slingky: | could you at least tell me if there is a way to configure a diseqc ? |
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| [14:29:39] | Slingky: | I'm lot, i have a dpp44 switch + dishpro twin lnb |
| [14:29:48] | Slingky: | i'm not able to scan |
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| [15:07:55] | MilhousePunkRock: | Hello everyone! |
| [15:10:05] | MilhousePunkRock: | Last night my combined BE/FE mythbox failed to wake up to do some recordings... There is nothing related to it in the mythbackend log. Any place else I could look? I suspect this possibly happened due to schedule changes in my DVB-T EIT... |
| [15:13:35] | ** hnitsuj does the 'likely to get top book price for the car' dance :) ** | |
| [15:13:55] | hnitsuj: | assuming it doesn't turn up |
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| [15:32:16] | hnitsuj: | I'm not religious but I may well start praying tonight ;) |
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| [15:35:41] | felix_da_catz: | Whats the best HDTV Tuner card to use? By best I mean easiest to setup? |
| [15:35:54] | felix_da_catz: | That is reasonably affordable |
| [15:36:59] | anykey_: | felix_da_catz: atsc/dvb-c/dvb-s? |
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| [15:41:16] | hatchmt: | So I opened up mythweb for the first time in about a week, and I noticed that all my listings show "No data" |
| [15:41:29] | hatchmt: | yet the program guide in Live TV shows data |
| [15:41:35] | hatchmt: | and mythfilldatabase ran last night successfully |
| [15:41:47] | hatchmt: | is there a bug in the latest svn of mythweb? |
| [15:41:57] | hatchmt: | or rather, a bug specific to this issue? |
| [15:42:03] | hnitsuj: | expect you have a bunch of duplicate but useless channels |
| [15:42:28] | hatchmt: | not really |
| [15:43:09] | hatchmt: | If by duplicate you mean more than one source provides the channel, then yes |
| [15:43:27] | hatchmt: | but even the channels that are only available on one source show no data |
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| [15:51:40] | millosh: | hi, i am getting "Could not open /dev/video0..." because of "permission denied", but i ran mythtv-setup as root and i put chmod a+rw on /dev/video* devices... where to look for more info? the only case on the mailing list is not so informative |
| [15:52:16] | hatchmt: | have you rebooted since? |
| [15:52:33] | millosh: | nope |
| [15:53:02] | millosh: | ok, i am going to reboot and to see what is going on |
| [15:53:05] | millosh: | thanks! |
| [15:53:05] | hatchmt: | wait |
| [15:53:07] | millosh: | :) |
| [15:53:10] | millosh: | i am waiting |
| [15:53:22] | hatchmt: | I was saying that if you rebooted it could've been the cause. :) |
| [15:53:28] | hatchmt: | like |
| [15:53:48] | millosh: | :) |
| [15:53:55] | hatchmt: | on my system, udev kept changing the permissions back to 600 at reboot until I changed the rule |
| [15:54:03] | hnitsuj: | see which group owns /dev/video0 & find out if the user mythbackend runs as is a member of said group ;) |
| [15:54:19] | millosh: | aha |
| [15:54:20] | hnitsuj: | changing dev node permissions is _messy_ & unneccessary |
| [15:54:20] | millosh: | ok |
| [15:54:32] | millosh: | i wanted to be sure :) |
| [15:55:02] | hnitsuj: | plus they tend to get changed at boot time anyway unless you edit udev rules |
| [15:55:05] | hnitsuj: | AFAIK |
| [15:55:10] | hatchmt: | yep |
| [15:55:28] | millosh: | i am using debian and it should be configured by default... hmm... |
| [15:55:34] | hnitsuj: | much easier just to make sure users are members of the right group than pee about with all that jazz |
| [15:55:48] | hnitsuj: | millosh: don't bank on it |
| [15:56:12] | millosh: | btw, should backend be started before mythtv-setup? |
| [15:56:20] | hnitsuj: | problems can arise from running mythtv-setup as a different user to the one mythbackend will run as |
| [15:56:24] | hnitsuj: | nope |
| [15:56:32] | hnitsuj: | if you mean mythbackend that is |
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| [15:57:03] | millosh: | yes, i mean mythbackend |
| [15:57:24] | millosh: | aha, ok, so i should su to myth user? |
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| [15:59:53] | hnitsuj: | or log out & in as the mythtv user.. whichever |
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| [16:01:08] | millosh: | ok, i am trying that now... |
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| [16:05:03] | millosh: | hm. the same... i have hauppauge card; should i try with something different than mpeg-2 encoder card (pvr-x50..)? |
| [16:05:39] | hnitsuj: | nope |
| [16:06:06] | hnitsuj: | well – that's _no_ – unless it's not actually an mpeg2 encoding card! |
| [16:06:22] | hnitsuj: | if it doesn't have 'pvr' in its name... |
| [16:06:42] | hnitsuj: | .. it's not an mpeg-2 encoder ;) (generally) |
| [16:06:49] | millosh: | according to the specification, it is pvr-150 and it has mpeg2 encoding; and it works on windows |
| [16:07:38] | hnitsuj: | yeah that's the right card type to put in mythtv-setup |
| [16:07:41] | PatrickDK: | if you want low cpu usage |
| [16:08:01] | hnitsuj: | have you seen it working in linux yet? an important step before setting up mythtv is verifying your tuner hardware works in linux first |
| [16:08:28] | millosh: | ivtv was automatically loaded |
| [16:08:39] | millosh: | do i need to use some other software for testing? |
| [16:08:46] | hnitsuj: | and by that, I mean verify it works on _your_ system, not that it's generally known to work ;) |
| [16:08:58] | millosh: | :) |
| [16:09:16] | hnitsuj: | see ivtvdriver.org for details on how to test the card |
| [16:09:44] | millosh: | ok, i am going there |
| [16:10:47] | hnitsuj: | easy enough – like mplayer /dev/video0 – or cat /dev/video0 > somefile.mpg (then play the .mpg file) |
| [16:11:28] | millosh: | heh, it looks like an ivtv problem |
| [16:11:30] | hnitsuj: | those are generally enough to prove the card produces mpeg – if you actually want to see a picture you'll need ivtvtune & friends |
| [16:11:48] | millosh: | i did cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg and "no such device..." |
| [16:11:58] | hnitsuj: | sudo modprobe -r ivtv |
| [16:12:09] | millosh: | it is loaded |
| [16:12:12] | PatrickDK: | check your log files |
| [16:12:13] | hnitsuj: | then sudo modprobe ivtv – then do dmesg |grep ivtv |
| [16:12:18] | PatrickDK: | ivtv puts good stuff in the logs |
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| [16:12:38] | hnitsuj: | particular attention has to be paid to firmware loading |
| [16:12:53] | millosh: | ok |
| [16:13:01] | PatrickDK: | or loading normal kernel modules instead of the ivtv modified ones |
| [16:13:11] | hnitsuj: | no firmware, no mpeg worky ;) |
| [16:15:09] | millosh: | dmesg says that devices are properly registered... |
| [16:15:14] | millosh: | video0 is mpg |
| [16:17:00] | PatrickDK: | maybe your are using udev? and have to create /dev/video* yourself? |
| [16:17:28] | millosh: | ok, i am installing ivtv-tools to see what is going on... |
| [16:17:31] | millosh: | yes, i am using udev |
| [16:18:10] | millosh: | hmm... |
| [16:18:48] | millosh: | i don't have video devices anymore... |
| [16:19:32] | iamlindoro__: | You're not using a silly silly distro that puts everything in /dev/v4l/videoblahblah, are you? |
| [16:20:26] | millosh: | hmm... |
| [16:20:28] | millosh: | i'll see that now |
| [16:20:37] | millosh: | nope |
| [16:20:44] | millosh: | there is no v4l dir in /dev |
| [16:20:52] | iamlindoro__: | Well good. Because that is just plain horrible. |
| [16:20:56] | millosh: | (debian sid is my distribution) |
| [16:29:38] | millosh: | hm. do i need a firmware for hauppauge pcr-150? |
| [16:29:52] | iamlindoro__: | <hnitsuj> no firmware, no mpeg worky ;) |
| [16:30:15] | millosh: | :)) |
| [16:30:43] | millosh: | eh, tv cards are really shitty hardware... |
| [16:31:00] | iamlindoro__: | How's that? |
| [16:31:27] | millosh: | i really don't like hardware which doesn't have free software drivers... |
| [16:31:33] | iamlindoro__: | If you were using any number of other distros you'd probably be done by now |
| [16:31:38] | hnitsuj: | it's not software. it's firmware |
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| [16:32:27] | hnitsuj: | and it's firmware because companies can't afford to get stuff wrong in silicon ;) |
| [16:33:03] | hnitsuj: | well, at least not many times :P |
| [16:33:16] | ** directhex|work etches hnitsuj back-to-front# ** | |
| [16:34:00] | hnitsuj: | should prolly add the fact they're too lazy to put the fw in flash & make a mechanism to update it at some point... |
| [16:34:43] | millosh: | hm. so, i need just to copy those firmware into /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware and to start setup again? |
| [16:36:27] | millosh: | eh, at least cat /dev/vide0 > test.mpg is working now :) |
| [16:37:22] | millosh: | it is working! :) |
| [16:38:07] | millosh: | ok, i am trying to move company in which i am working from windows based tv capturing software to mythtv... so, i hope i would be able to contribute to mythtv in the future |
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| [17:13:26] | arschjucken: | can somebody recommend a codec/bitrate for encoding my mythtv-recordings? |
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| [17:21:29] | iamlindoro__: | arschjucken, That is a more complex question than can be answered with the information you've given-- haven't said what your TV source is, what resolution, whether you're talking about encoding at record time or for archival, etc. |
| [17:21:53] | iamlindoro__: | whether you want quality or low disk space, whether it's being played back on a high power or low power machine.. |
| [17:24:01] | arschjucken: | aaah thanks, to be precise i want a good compromise between quality and filesize (cause my girlfriend is downing the recordings over internet), its playbacked on a c2d 2 ghz |
| [17:24:16] | arschjucken: | the recordings are dvb-s mostly 4:3 some 16:9 |
| [17:24:26] | iamlindoro__: | resolution of recordings? |
| [17:24:27] | arschjucken: | resolution is PAL |
| [17:24:47] | arschjucken: | 7xx X 5xx something |
| [17:24:50] | iamlindoro__: | ok... if you are only dealing with SD resolution stuff, xViD is probably a decent choice |
| [17:24:52] | iamlindoro__: | 720x576 |
| [17:24:59] | arschjucken: | yes |
| [17:25:10] | iamlindoro__: | although with playback on that machine, h.264 would work fine too |
| [17:25:34] | arschjucken: | ok i will try xvid and h.264 :) i calculated 2 hours should be 1 gig |
| [17:25:45] | iamlindoro__: | A decent bitrate for TV you don't need to be absolute best quality would be xViD at 1500 Kbit or so |
| [17:26:00] | arschjucken: | that would be a bitrate of 1165 |
| [17:26:14] | iamlindoro__: | h.264 will be the higher quality, but take slightly more processor power to play back-- at SD resolutions, though, it will be more than manageable |
| [17:26:32] | arschjucken: | will h.264 decrease filesize ? |
| [17:26:37] | arschjucken: | compared to xvid ? |
| [17:27:34] | iamlindoro__: | at low bitrates like that the size differences will be negligible, but h.264 quality beats pretty much anything |
| [17:27:54] | iamlindoro__: | h.264 really shines in HD material, though, that's where the advantages are most obvious |
| [17:27:58] | arschjucken: | cause we have good hardware, but my girlfirend a crappy internet connection (england :/ ) , a tiny file would be good |
| [17:28:10] | arschjucken: | ah ok, i think i ve to try out :) |
| [17:28:24] | arschjucken: | thanks for your help iamlindoro__ |
| [17:28:28] | iamlindoro__: | no problem |
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| [17:30:28] | iamlindoro__: | the other thing to consider is you can encode xViD *fast* on a decent machine (like, realtime or better) but h.264 will take substantially more time to encode |
| [17:30:49] | arschjucken: | that doesnt matter :) |
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| [17:42:11] | iamlindoro__: | Does anyone recall the brand of the coax amp mkrufky recommended a month or so ago? |
| [17:43:58] | iamlindoro__: | I 8think* it was PCT but didn't recall for sure http://cgi.ebay.com/PCT-8-PORT-CABLE-TV-DIGIT . . . cmdZViewItem |
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| [17:52:38] | GreyFoxx: | Hmmm looks like I might need to look at updating OSX if I want to use the new handbrake :) |
| [17:52:48] | ** GreyFoxx wonders what that would cost him ** | |
| [17:54:50] | GreyFoxx: | danie: really? I can see it with two videos I've got here |
| [17:55:06] | iamlindoro__: | $129 for Mac OS X Home Premium Business Media Center Ultimate Edition |
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| [18:00:41] | HEP85: | join #mythtv-dev |
| [18:00:54] | iamlindoro__: | No, you do it |
| [18:01:18] | HEP85: | Is it the right name? |
| [18:01:29] | iamlindoro__: | nope |
| [18:01:44] | iamlindoro__: | Just #mythtv is the dev channel-- and you have to precede the command with a / |
| [18:02:03] | HEP85: | I know the /. It was a typo |
| [18:02:07] | HEP85: | thx |
| [18:02:37] | arschjucken: | iamlondoro__: i made an test xvid encoding, and i am happy with the quality and size, but i got a black box around the 720x576 vid |
| [18:03:13] | arschjucken: | you maybe have a hint to avoid that ? |
| [18:03:33] | iamlindoro__: | I have no idea what you're using to transcode, so it would be tough for me to tell you |
| [18:03:44] | arschjucken: | mencoder -ovc xvid -oac mp3lame -xvidencopts bitrate=1165 -o test.avi 2021_20080221043304.mpg |
| [18:03:52] | iamlindoro__: | anyway, the box may be normal, it's possible it's the portion that's covered by overscan |
| [18:03:53] | arschjucken: | this is the mencoder cmd i used |
| [18:04:29] | iamlindoro__: | you'll have to look into mencoder crop commands to cut out any borders you don't like |
| [18:06:51] | arschjucken: | nevermind, found out its an vlc issue |
| [18:07:04] | arschjucken: | thanks anyway :) now the h264 testrun hehe |
| [18:20:01] | iamlindoro__: | *Ugh*, WHY does anyone care about last.fm support in Myth? I just tried it and it is really, really awful! |
| [18:20:22] | iamlindoro__: | It's worse than youtube-- at least on Youtube you can choose what you want to watch! |
| [18:21:33] | anykey_: | iamlindoro__: it's not about listening last.fm streams, it's the scrobbling and the recommended artist that is useful |
| [18:21:36] | HEP85: | Does anybody know why my MythVideo gallery is screwed up like this: http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00273jc5.jpg |
| [18:21:45] | anykey_: | iamlindoro__: i've discovered lots of music that way |
| [18:21:48] | ** iamlindoro__ throws up a little in his mouth ** | |
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| [18:34:38] | ** Deek is hacking on iamlindoro's remux script a little ** | |
| [18:35:26] | GlemSom: | I just installed xine for use in my media center. But I'm wondering – is there a way to limit the DVD drive speed? since my DVD drive can be a bit loudy :/ I've tried setting hdparm -E before starting – but it seems like the drive just spins up anyway |
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| [18:38:06] | iamlindoro__: | The internal DVD Player can limit speed, there's a setting for it. For xine help you'd probably need to seek help from a Xine forum/channel, though |
| [18:38:47] | Deek: | I want to be able to do tsfixup -d dir *.mpg :) |
| [18:39:44] | iamlindoro__: | Deek, should be pretty simple to set that up-- moreover, should be simple enough to have it pull recordings from the database so that it supports storage groups-- can hack that in in a few minutes if you like |
| [18:39:55] | iamlindoro__: | or you can do it and I certainly wouldn't be offended ;) |
| [18:40:18] | Deek: | How would you get that info? |
| [18:41:17] | iamlindoro__: | Just a SELECT * from (insertappropriatetablehere) in a scripted mysql -e line |
| [18:43:22] | Deek: | (not running 0.21 yet) |
| [18:44:42] | iamlindoro__: | Same statement should work in .21 and .20.2-- But pulling the info from the database would make it storage-group safe-- anyway, in my case it doesn't really matter because I don't keep anything in recordings, I transcode and shunt it all off to MythVideo |
| [18:45:47] | iamlindoro__: | so for me the job just needs to run on *new* recordings so that I can work with them and get them out of there |
| [18:47:27] | Deek: | right |
| [18:48:28] | GlemSom: | iamlindoro, Well, I've looked through the manpage for xine – but I cant seem to find any... mplayer can do it though.. Sadly the Internal player is not usable when sing a PVR-350 card – since it directs the mpeg stream directly to the decoder on the PVR-350 – which in return often doesn't since it's only a mpeg2 decoder (not mpeg4 as a dvd might be) |
| [18:48:43] | directhex: | dvd is not mpeg4 |
| [18:48:51] | directhex: | dvd is mpeg2 by definition |
| [18:48:56] | iamlindoro__: | ^^^ Yup |
| [18:49:26] | GreyFoxx: | GlemSom: It only sends the mpeg to the 350 if you enable that |
| [18:49:27] | directhex: | and "mpeg4" means so many things |
| [18:49:36] | GlemSom: | directhex, Ohh, sorry, I was thinking of something else.. my bad – what I ment was the audio is directed there aswell – and since that might be AC3 – it wont work |
| [18:49:38] | directhex: | i wish via knew that |
| [18:49:49] | GlemSom: | GreyFoxx, There's no way to disable it... |
| [18:49:58] | iamlindoro__: | Oh they know-- they just count on you *not* to know |
| [18:50:31] | GreyFoxx: | glen: myth will only use the 350's mpeg decode rif you turn it on |
| [18:50:35] | GreyFoxx: | It's off by default |
| [18:50:57] | iamlindoro__: | I think that tickbox is the last page of TV playback settings-- last page of SOME settings set, anyway |
| [18:51:03] | GlemSom: | GreyFoxx, I need it on for LiveTV... And there's no option to disable it for DVD playback only |
| [18:51:18] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh ok, in that case yeah there isn't |
| [18:51:26] | GreyFoxx: | low cpu on your box? |
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| [18:51:55] | ** GreyFoxx is always curious when finding someone who uses the 350 for output :) ** | |
| [18:51:56] | GlemSom: | Naa, using the decoder produces much more read-able subtitles on my old TV |
| [18:52:01] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [18:52:25] | GlemSom: | And a much more read-able OSD |
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| [18:52:47] | iamlindoro__: | Ahem, and only because directhex is here.... |
| [18:52:49] | iamlindoro__: | MOAR PIXLS |
| [18:52:57] | directhex: | ZOMG! |
| [18:52:58] | GlemSom: | It doesn't flicker at all when using the decoder – but when not using it – the OSD for example will flicker a bit.. And that really shows on my TV :/ |
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| [18:54:47] | GlemSom: | GreyFoxx, Do you use the PVR350 aswell then? |
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| [18:57:57] | GreyFoxx: | GlemSom: No, I tried it briefly but found it way too limiting |
| [18:58:06] | GreyFoxx: | and no better visually than my nvidia cards |
| [18:58:21] | directhex: | the gl renderer looks omgsexy. shame about the 1-time-only bug |
| [18:58:33] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: Is there a ticket on that one? |
| [18:58:38] | GreyFoxx: | this is the week to get them fixed |
| [18:58:45] | directhex: | i dunno. iamlindoro, is there a ticket? |
| [18:58:59] | ** directhex jumps headfirst towards trac ** | |
| [18:59:03] | iamlindoro__: | I dunno. *looks around for someone to pass it on to* |
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| [18:59:44] | tlhiv_laptop: | hi folks .. .i'm done quite a bit of reading, but i still have some questions |
| [18:59:49] | iamlindoro__: | until directhex confirmed it I figured I just had a screwed up GL setup |
| [18:59:56] | directhex: | 4526 |
| [19:00:10] | tlhiv_laptop: | i'm wanting to build a mythtv box, and i have all of the hardware except the capture card(s) |
| [19:00:12] | directhex: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4526 |
| [19:00:12] | tlhiv_laptop: | i wanted some suggestions |
| [19:00:15] | directhex: | milestone changed from unknown to 0.22 :'( |
| [19:00:18] | iamlindoro__: | yup, looks right |
| [19:00:26] | directhex: | :'( :'( :'( |
| [19:00:43] | tlhiv_laptop: | i have comcast cable with a hd dvr (dct-6412) |
| [19:00:52] | iamlindoro__: | I love it when people add comments with absolutely irrelevant info..."Getting the same problem with Pentium 4 3.0ghz cpu. With a NVIDIA card." |
| [19:00:54] | tlhiv_laptop: | however, i don't have a hdtv yet |
| [19:01:09] | iamlindoro__: | Oh, a P4 3,0 Ghz you say? *scribbles furiously* |
| [19:01:30] | tlhiv_laptop: | so, right now i want to have my dvr "decode" the signal and transfer it to the mythtv box |
| [19:01:43] | tlhiv_laptop: | i have read that this can be done via firewire right? |
| [19:02:32] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, it's *technically* possible to use firewire as your tuner, but your cable company is only required to open the firewire port for local TV... and many don't even do that-- you may find you have no firewire or only get local channels on firewire |
| [19:02:49] | iamlindoro__: | You cannot transfer already recorded stuff from a comcast DVR. |
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| [19:03:39] | iamlindoro__: | If I had to pick a "middle of the road" guess on what you'd get via firewire, I'd say NBC, CBS, ABC, and FOX, and that's about it. That, or nothing at all. |
| [19:03:40] | Deek: | On Charter I get a few more channels on firewire. |
| [19:03:41] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro__: ok then ... next question then ... what would be a good card (standard definition) for a dual tuner |
| [19:03:47] | iamlindoro__: | PVR-500 |
| [19:04:15] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, as Deek says, there are exceptions where people get quite a bit more via firewire-- it's most certainly worth trying. |
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| [19:04:27] | Deek: | Not quite a bit, just more. :) |
| [19:04:37] | tlhiv_laptop: | the question really is with that setup, can i kepp things "digital" or i guess once it goes out the cable box via coax, it's analog right? |
| [19:04:45] | iamlindoro__: | yup |
| [19:04:59] | iamlindoro__: | Can't keep anything digital with a STB unless you do firewire. |
| [19:05:09] | tlhiv_laptop: | right |
| [19:05:35] | iamlindoro__: | the other digital tuning option is to try a digital tuner straight out the wall, but again, encryption rules and you're likely to get only network TV |
| [19:05:37] | tlhiv_laptop: | is it not true that ALL hd signals must be provided via firewire? |
| [19:05:42] | iamlindoro__: | no |
| [19:05:48] | iamlindoro__: | that is most definitely NOT true |
| [19:05:52] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok ;) |
| [19:06:10] | iamlindoro__: | In fact, they can give you your netowrk TV in SD via firewire and still be in compliance |
| [19:06:25] | Deek: | Universal HD, History HD, ESPN2 HD (but not ESPN HD), TNT HD, Golf/Versus HD (on the same channel), Fox Sports Detroit HD, and A&E HD. |
| [19:06:26] | tlhiv_laptop: | i see |
| [19:06:44] | iamlindoro__: | and even THEN, they are only compelled to by FCC regulations, NOT by laws |
| [19:06:48] | Deek: | Oh, and G4 |
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| [19:07:18] | Deek: | everything else is 5c-encrypted. |
| [19:07:32] | tlhiv_laptop: | so you recommend the pvr-500 ... the mce version or not? |
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| [19:07:47] | iamlindoro__: | If you have to do analog and need dual tuner, the PVR-500 is the only game in town |
| [19:08:00] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok great |
| [19:08:03] | iamlindoro__: | the MCE is nice, yeah... the remote and ir receiver/blaster included are great |
| [19:08:07] | ** tlhiv_laptop checks prices ** | |
| [19:08:18] | tlhiv_laptop: | and they work well in linux i assume |
| [19:08:23] | iamlindoro__: | Don't go cuh-razy until you've at least *tried* firewire |
| [19:08:26] | iamlindoro__: | yes, very well |
| [19:08:59] | tlhiv_laptop: | so you're saying that in theory i could use firefire and that's all i would need |
| [19:09:01] | Deek: | I have a 150 |
| [19:09:06] | tlhiv_laptop: | but in practice, that's likely not to happen |
| [19:09:07] | Deek: | (MCE) |
| [19:09:50] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, Yes, that's more or less what I am saying-- I am one of the exceptions and get 95% of all my channels via firewire, including my HD stuff. I can count the 5C'ed channels on one hand. But again, that's the exception and not the rule |
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| [19:10:33] | iamlindoro__: | This is the part where you ask me who my cable company is and I explain that it doesn't really matter because they are franchises and it differs from headend to headend even within the same company/region/city. |
| [19:10:35] | Deek: | Also, none of the analog stations come in via firewire on my box. |
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| [19:11:22] | Deek: | I only get the digital stuff, so my PVR-150MCE is still getting worked. |
| [19:11:23] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro__: i have a firewire port on this laptop that i'm typing on right now ... what would i need to install on this laptop to simply verify/confirm the channels i can get? |
| [19:11:39] | tlhiv_laptop: | Deek: the 150 is a single tuner card? |
| [19:11:43] | Deek: | yes |
| [19:11:50] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, Mythtv :) Or equivalent firewire tuning/recording software. |
| [19:11:57] | tlhiv_laptop: | why is something like a 500 "better" than two 150's |
| [19:12:03] | iamlindoro__: | It's not |
| [19:12:05] | Deek: | The 500 is basically two 150s on a single card. |
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| [19:12:13] | iamlindoro__: | Two 150s trumps the 500 if you have the space |
| [19:12:17] | tlhiv_laptop: | ;) |
| [19:12:23] | tlhiv_laptop: | i have PLENTY of space actually |
| [19:12:53] | tlhiv_laptop: | and the 150's do hardware encoding right? |
| [19:12:59] | tlhiv_laptop: | mpeg2 |
| [19:13:01] | Deek: | yes |
| [19:13:10] | iamlindoro__: | The 500 uses an internal splitter for coax. Using two 150s allows you to split the signal externally/better and avoid issues with the second tuner. |
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| [19:13:22] | tlhiv_laptop: | cool |
| [19:13:32] | tlhiv_laptop: | then there's the remote |
| [19:13:37] | tlhiv_laptop: | does the 150 come with one |
| [19:13:41] | tlhiv_laptop: | if so, i guess i would have 2 ;) |
| [19:13:44] | Deek: | MCE does |
| [19:13:56] | iamlindoro__: | yes, they do, there are two types, the MCE and non MCE, but the MCE is better by far |
| [19:14:08] | tlhiv_laptop: | so i could get a mce and a non mce |
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| [19:14:15] | tlhiv_laptop: | and thus have 1 remote |
| [19:14:20] | iamlindoro__: | Well, better would be to get the MCe and the OEM |
| [19:14:29] | Deek: | The MCE version comes with a USB IR receiver |
| [19:14:33] | tlhiv_laptop: | and could presumably use the 1 remote with both tuners |
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| [19:14:35] | iamlindoro__: | the non-mce ones DO have remotes, it's just a different interface and remote |
| [19:14:36] | Deek: | and a blaster |
| [19:14:45] | iamlindoro__: | the OEM cards don't have remotes, in general |
| [19:14:46] | tlhiv_laptop: | what's a blaster? |
| [19:14:48] | Deek: | iamlindoro: oh, ok |
| [19:15:08] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, An IR emitter so you can control your STB |
| [19:15:09] | Deek: | tlhiv_laptop: an IR transmitter |
| [19:15:28] | tlhiv_laptop: | does this come with the card? |
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| [19:15:35] | iamlindoro__: | with the MCE, yes |
| [19:15:35] | tlhiv_laptop: | the transmitter is the remote itself right? |
| [19:15:38] | iamlindoro__: | no |
| [19:15:57] | iamlindoro__: | the IR Blaster is a little dongle that pastes onto the front of your STB and controls it when myth needs to change channels |
| [19:15:58] | Deek: | tlhiv_laptop: no, it's a little cable that plugs into the IR receiver |
| [19:16:09] | tlhiv_laptop: | so i'm still confused ... with a mce and and oem, all the hardware i would need is there for the remote to control both tuners right? |
| [19:16:25] | Deek: | the remote doesn't control the tuner |
| [19:16:29] | iamlindoro__: | The remote doesn't control the tuners at all, the software does |
| [19:16:31] | tlhiv_laptop: | the remote and the transmitter work together |
| [19:16:36] | tlhiv_laptop: | and mythv does the reset |
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| [19:16:47] | tlhiv_laptop: | correct? |
| [19:16:48] | iamlindoro__: | the remote controls the software (myth) and the software handles the tuner management/channel changing, etc |
| [19:16:54] | tlhiv_laptop: | sweet |
| [19:17:25] | tlhiv_laptop: | is this remote pretty "programmable"? |
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| [19:17:31] | tlhiv_laptop: | customizable |
| [19:17:32] | Deek: | not at all |
| [19:17:38] | Deek: | Zero programmability. |
| [19:18:01] | Deek: | The receiver gets the signal from the remote, lirc picks it up and tells mythfrontend what button got pressed, mythtv decides what to do based on that info. |
| [19:18:09] | tlhiv_laptop: | so how well does it work with mythtv to watch say recorded shows, dvd's, play music, games, etc. |
| [19:18:12] | iamlindoro__: | Well yeah, the remote 8itself* isn't customizable, but you can program what each button does in myth |
| [19:18:37] | tlhiv_laptop: | should i consider another remote? |
| [19:18:40] | Deek: | why? |
| [19:18:41] | iamlindoro__: | No |
| [19:19:05] | tlhiv_laptop: | would a wireless keyboard/mouse be recommended? |
| [19:19:08] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, you don't program the remote. You program *myth* (or, more precisely, LIRC) to interpret the buttons and do what you want |
| [19:19:18] | tlhiv_laptop: | got it ;) |
| [19:19:31] | ** tlhiv_laptop plans on using gentoo+myth ** | |
| [19:19:35] | Deek: | the IR receiver can pick up any IR signals, for almost any remote. |
| [19:19:36] | iamlindoro__: | So you can set the "DVD" button up to go to Myth's DVD function... or just to play back a file filled with filthy porno. Up to you. |
| [19:19:37] | tlhiv_laptop: | and ssh open on the myth |
| [19:20:33] | tlhiv_laptop: | is there a preferred vendor for purchasing these cards inexpensively ;) |
| [19:20:36] | Deek: | I don't use my MCE remotes, I use my Sony RM-VL700S instead — but my MCE remotes still work with Myth. |
| [19:20:38] | tlhiv_laptop: | i usually use newegg |
| [19:21:40] | iamlindoro__: | newegg is probably the best prices on those particular cards right now |
| [19:21:47] | tlhiv_laptop: | newegg has the 150 mce for $60 |
| [19:22:33] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, looks like that one has no remote/receiver though |
| [19:22:42] | tlhiv_laptop: | i see that |
| [19:22:43] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116631 is the one you want |
| [19:22:49] | tlhiv_laptop: | :-( |
| [19:23:03] | iamlindoro__: | and then whatever the cheapest second one is |
| [19:23:14] | iamlindoro__: | the $60 one would be fine for the second one |
| [19:23:20] | tlhiv_laptop: | cool |
| [19:23:48] | tlhiv_laptop: | i want to say that i have a friend that has a 350 that may want to get rid of his |
| [19:25:26] | tlhiv_laptop: | i have a dual opteron system that i built about 3 years ago with a research grant that i'm going to be getting in about a week ... it was about $7k at the time ... i think it is dual 2.4 GHz with 750GB storage and 4GB ram |
| [19:25:51] | tlhiv_laptop: | i had another 250GB (for a total of 1TB) at one time, but i stole one HD |
| [19:26:02] | tlhiv_laptop: | the only problem is that the case is huge |
| [19:26:03] | tlhiv_laptop: | :-D |
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| [19:26:21] | tlhiv_laptop: | but it'll be a proof of concept ;) |
| [19:27:27] | tlhiv_laptop: | one other question guys |
| [19:27:49] | tlhiv_laptop: | with these tuners, how can i get mythtv to "decode" the channels from the cable box/dvr |
| [19:28:11] | tlhiv_laptop: | is that what the firewire does? |
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| [19:28:14] | iamlindoro__: | You don't. |
| [19:28:16] | tlhiv_laptop: | :-( |
| [19:28:22] | tlhiv_laptop: | so i can't get my digital channels? |
| [19:28:46] | iamlindoro__: | You can, but you'll get them in analog-- the STB does the tuning and just outputs analog video that the PVRs record |
| [19:29:24] | iamlindoro__: | think of it this way-- Myth controls the STB with the IR emitter... the STB does the tuning, and outputs via S-video, Coax, whatever, and the PVR-150s record that output. |
| [19:30:09] | tlhiv_laptop: | i don't mind them in analog |
| [19:30:13] | tlhiv_laptop: | as long as i can get them all |
| [19:30:17] | iamlindoro__: | You shall |
| [19:30:26] | iamlindoro__: | You will need 1 cable box for each tuner, just so you know |
| [19:30:26] | tlhiv_laptop: | i just don't understand how myth will be able to get them from the dvr |
| [19:30:40] | tlhiv_laptop: | well i have a dual tuner cable box |
| [19:30:49] | iamlindoro__: | Doesn't matter, myth captures them from the *output* |
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| [19:31:08] | iamlindoro__: | you know the cable that leads from your DVR to the television set? that's the cable that will go into a tuner in your myth box. |
| [19:31:15] | ** kisak pings xris ** | |
| [19:31:16] | tlhiv_laptop: | right |
| [19:31:25] | tlhiv_laptop: | and i have only one output on the back of my cable box |
| [19:31:27] | xris: | ? |
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| [19:31:39] | kisak: | howdy xris, I need a reminder |
| [19:31:40] | iamlindoro__: | Your DVR only has one output-- therefore, no matter how many tuners it has, it has only one source analog tuners can capture from |
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| [19:31:58] | tlhiv_laptop: | yuck |
| [19:32:07] | kisak: | xris: where is the code that makes direct download tick |
| [19:32:31] | iamlindoro__: | Even with firewire, you would only be able to capture a single channel at a time |
| [19:32:43] | kisak: | (0.21 beta 16297) |
| [19:32:48] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro__: what about firewire + coax out ;) |
| [19:32:58] | iamlindoro__: | Same, only one |
| [19:33:22] | iamlindoro__: | better to dump the Cable CO DVR and get two proper HD STBs liek 3200s or 6200s |
| [19:33:25] | iamlindoro__: | er like |
| [19:33:31] | tlhiv_laptop: | i wonder then if they'll give me 2 cable boxes for the price of 1 dvr ;) |
| [19:33:33] | xris: | kisak: not sure what you mean |
| [19:34:05] | kisak: | xris: where is the url assembled for the link of direct download |
| [19:34:41] | xris: | not sure.. I'd just check the tmpl/default/recorded.php file |
| [19:34:47] | xris: | (and can't, busy) |
| [19:36:30] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro__: so if i have 2 cable boxes without dvr's, i still don't understand how myth tunes those cable boxes to the right channel to receive in the capture cards |
| [19:36:50] | iamlindoro__: | With the IR emitters |
| [19:36:51] | ** kisak goes hunting ** | |
| [19:37:00] | iamlindoro__: | which act like remote controls for each box |
| [19:37:20] | iamlindoro__: | they send channel change commands to each box to change channels when scheduled recordings occur |
| [19:37:32] | tlhiv_laptop: | like my existing remote does ;) |
| [19:37:44] | iamlindoro__: | sort of |
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| [19:44:07] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, if the brokenness of the ogl renderer is marked as a 0.22 milestone, would fixes between now and 0.21 release still be accepted? |
| [19:44:08] | iamlindoro__: | Ugh, Can anyone in the UK confim that Turnhouse is the right airport for Edinburgh? |
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| [19:44:44] | directhex: | Turnhouse Aerodrome? |
| [19:44:52] | directhex: | yes, if you're also traveling back to the first world war |
| [19:45:17] | iamlindoro__: | Well there's *some* flat-ass strip of land they put the whirlybirds down on there |
| [19:46:34] | directhex: | it's just called edinburgh airport ;) |
| [19:46:47] | directhex: | or baa edinburgh, technically |
| [19:47:06] | iamlindoro__: | well, looks like it's right (EDI) |
| [19:47:25] | iamlindoro__: | Priceline seems to think it's called Edinburgh Turnhouse, but has the right airport code |
| [19:47:51] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro__: well i just spoke with comcast and they told me that i could get a single tuner STB cable box and a single tuner HD box (neither with dvr's) for the same price as the dual tuner hdtv dvr that i have now |
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| [19:48:14] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, Doesn't surprise me |
| [19:48:28] | tlhiv_laptop: | and that would probably be what i want i guess ;) |
| [19:48:35] | iamlindoro__: | yep |
| [19:48:49] | iamlindoro__: | Again, I'd test the waters with firewire on your current box to see what you should expect |
| [19:49:38] | tlhiv_laptop: | so i can probably expect that if i get (mostly) all channels via firewire with my existing hd dvr, then i will likely have the same with my the two boxes themselves |
| [19:49:50] | tlhiv_laptop: | and if that were the case, i would need no capture cards ;) |
| [19:50:50] | iamlindoro__: | right |
| [19:51:33] | tlhiv_laptop: | so it's more device independent and more service dependent |
| [19:52:20] | iamlindoro__: | Nothing is absolute, but the closest I can tell you is that it's generally headend-dependent-- firewire in one location *should* theoretically be the same regardless of device. |
| [19:52:53] | tlhiv_laptop: | great |
| [19:53:19] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro__: does mythtv run inside gnome/kde/etc. or can it run in its own X session? |
| [19:53:48] | iamlindoro__: | It can run in pretty much any WM |
| [19:53:57] | tlhiv_laptop: | i'm only asking because i'm emerging it now in gentoo and i was going to "launch it" in a second to test firewire on this laptop |
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| [19:55:41] | iamlindoro__: | you will need to read the mythtv docs-- it's not install and launch, there's some setup that will be required (mythtv-setup) |
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| [19:57:24] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok ... i'll read while it's building |
| [19:57:29] | tlhiv_laptop: | i have to build qt :-( |
| [19:57:34] | tlhiv_laptop: | that may take a little time |
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| [20:21:26] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro__: so to test this, do i simply tune the dvr to certain channels and see if mythtv can pick them up via firewire? |
| [20:22:17] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, No, you would set up a firewire capture card type up in mythtv, and myth handles all the tuning via the firewire cable. There is a pretty step-by-step guide to using firewire if you search "FireWire" (with the capital W) in the myth wiki |
| [20:22:45] | tlhiv_laptop: | cool |
| [20:22:51] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok ... let me find it |
| [20:26:17] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro__: i wonder if it's possible to make my existing dvr remote work with myth INSTEAD of the dvr |
| [20:27:34] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, you have a lot of reading to do-- I would suggest the "Documentation" link at mythtv.org... you should really know that front to back before you try to tackle this-- You are missing some real conceptual fundamentals |
| [20:27:50] | tlhiv_laptop: | sorry ;) |
| [20:27:56] | iamlindoro__: | No no, not an andictment |
| [20:27:59] | iamlindoro__: | er indictment |
| [20:28:15] | iamlindoro__: | I'm just saying that, much as a love myth, it is *not* uncomplex. |
| [20:28:35] | iamlindoro__: | The simplest a myth setup gets is mythbuntu, and even that requires some serious homework in a complicated setup |
| [20:28:41] | tlhiv_laptop: | right ... not unlike linux itself ... i've used linux for years so most of this shouldn't be too difficult |
| [20:28:53] | tlhiv_laptop: | i will probably stick with gentoo ;) |
| [20:29:00] | orthoevra: | meh.. getting tvtuner to work is harder than setting up myth IMHO |
| [20:29:05] | tlhiv_laptop: | only because i'm sick that way |
| [20:29:21] | orthoevra: | yum --enablerepo=atrpms install mythtv did it for me... done |
| [20:29:25] | iamlindoro__: | orthoevra, Only because you haven't pulled your hair out over firewire :) |
| [20:29:39] | ** tlhiv_laptop is about to do the same i'm afraid ** | |
| [20:29:44] | orthoevra: | iamlindoro: firewire? works like a charm on my myth machine :) |
| [20:29:54] | iamlindoro__: | which can be totally easy.. or nightmarish depending on your firewire chipset, STB |
| [20:30:07] | iamlindoro__: | and, of course, cable co |
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| [20:30:26] | orthoevra: | the HP dv8000 laptop is the most capable linux machine i have ever used |
| [20:30:30] | iamlindoro__: | And I would argue that LIRC is for most people the most painful step |
| [20:30:46] | orthoevra: | ooh yeah lirc is not very friendly i guess |
| [20:31:07] | iamlindoro__: | Even advanced geeks have a hard time wrapping their head around it sometimes-- once you get it, you get it for sure, but at first it's like, huh? |
| [20:31:33] | ** iamlindoro__ remembers not rebooting his first lirc-using machine for weeks for fear it wouldn't survive a reboot. :) ** | |
| [20:31:34] | orthoevra: | luckily i didnt have to use lirc |
| [20:31:42] | tlhiv_laptop: | orthoevra: i have a lenovo thinkpad x60 tablet and it's quite linux capable |
| [20:31:50] | tlhiv_laptop: | even as far as the fingerprint reader ;) |
| [20:32:03] | orthoevra: | thiv: cool! i always wondered about those fingerprint readers in linux |
| [20:33:10] | iamlindoro__: | They're just as useless as fingerprint readers in Windows :) |
| [20:33:29] | orthoevra: | heheh yeah.. ever see that mythbusters |
| [20:33:41] | tlhiv_laptop: | i don't really use it but i have it working |
| [20:33:47] | iamlindoro__: | No, but I know enough to know that physical access = you're already fucked |
| [20:34:32] | tlhiv_laptop: | orthoevra: the tablet features work QUITE well in linux ;) |
| [20:35:00] | iamlindoro__: | Edinburgh trip booked... Fuel surcharges HURT |
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| [20:55:13] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro__: what is a "blaster"? |
| [20:55:32] | iamlindoro__: | IR Blaster = IR Emitter |
| [20:55:41] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok |
| [20:55:46] | tlhiv_laptop: | got it |
| [20:55:50] | iamlindoro__: | sends remote control codes-- essentially emulates a remote control in software |
| [20:55:55] | tlhiv_laptop: | right |
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| [20:56:21] | tlhiv_laptop: | blaster = emitter = transmitter |
| [20:56:31] | iamlindoro__: | yup |
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| [20:56:48] | tlhiv_laptop: | doesn't it have a receiver in it too? |
| [20:57:10] | iamlindoro__: | A Blaster doesn't... but the 150 MCE includes both a receiver and a blaster |
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| [20:57:39] | iamlindoro__: | If you use firewire only, you wouldn't need an IR Blaster |
| [20:58:07] | iamlindoro__: | Since channel changes are also possible via firewire (and sometimes via firewire even if you can't get any channels via firewire) |
| [20:58:46] | tlhiv_laptop: | well somehow i would want the remote control to control the firewire (which is done with myth) ... i would need something to receive the remote signals |
| [20:59:04] | ** tlhiv_laptop is still reading ** | |
| [20:59:05] | iamlindoro__: | correct... a receiver would be necessary (or a keyboard) but not a blaster |
| [20:59:39] | iamlindoro__: | An Ir blaster is only necessary is you *must* control a STB and if the only way you have available to do so is IR |
| [21:00:01] | ** tlhiv_laptop is keeping his fingers crossed about firewire ** | |
| [21:00:33] | tlhiv_laptop: | i don't understand why a box wouldn't output ALL channels in firewire if it outputs any of them ... it sounds like it should be no more work |
| [21:00:54] | iamlindoro__: | It's not any more work-- but why would the cable company give you access to a perfect digital copy to "trade around?" |
| [21:01:14] | iamlindoro__: | No no, they won't ever allow that if they can help it |
| [21:02:03] | tlhiv_laptop: | and there's no way to "hack" (cough cough) the box to make it ;) |
| [21:02:20] | iamlindoro__: | nope |
| [21:02:21] | tlhiv_laptop: | i'm sure those techniques are not discussed here ;) |
| [21:02:54] | ol_schoola: | there ARE NO techniques, can't be done |
| [21:02:55] | iamlindoro__: | They're not. Even if there *were* a way, which there isn't (besides blowing the Comcast Engineer) it would be offlimits talk here |
| [21:03:08] | tlhiv_laptop: | i know |
| [21:03:20] | ol_schoola: | ..except for the one involving the Comcast Engineer |
| [21:03:33] | tlhiv_laptop: | and that's off limits to me :-) |
| [21:03:38] | iamlindoro__: | seconded! |
| [21:04:18] | tlhiv_laptop: | how important is the hardware encoding with the card? |
| [21:04:27] | iamlindoro__: | Pretty important if you're tuning analog |
| [21:04:33] | squidly: | tlhiv_laptop: depenidng on load pretty important |
| [21:04:35] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok ... even with fast cpu's? |
| [21:04:39] | squidly: | yes |
| [21:04:40] | iamlindoro__: | yep |
| [21:04:43] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok |
| [21:04:52] | iamlindoro__: | Quality is heavily affected by hardware encoders too-- for the better |
| [21:05:08] | iamlindoro__: | digital reception requires no hardware encoding (the encoding is done at the headend) |
| [21:05:09] | tlhiv_laptop: | does myth use mencoder? mencoder is quite fast |
| [21:05:12] | squidly: | tlhiv_laptop: I have dual opterons and 2 gb ram. I dont even want to think of using a software encodeing |
| [21:05:13] | iamlindoro__: | but analog, you betcha, you want it |
| [21:05:23] | tlhiv_laptop: | squidly: ok |
| [21:05:30] | jduggan: | would one expect a p4 3ghz w/2gb ram and geforce 5200 PCI card to be able to atleast play *cough* blueray ripped h264? |
| [21:05:38] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, Myth's transcoding/playback is based on ffmpeg, just like mplayer, mencoder, etc. |
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| [21:05:47] | iamlindoro__: | jduggan, no way |
| [21:05:48] | tlhiv_laptop: | cool |
| [21:06:01] | jduggan: | iamlindoro__: is it the PCI card? |
| [21:06:02] | iamlindoro__: | not at its genuine bitrate, anyway |
| [21:06:08] | iamlindoro__: | no, it's the processor |
| [21:06:16] | iamlindoro__: | the ram and GPU are fine |
| [21:06:20] | kisak: | geforce 5200 PCI edition ... I have one of those |
| [21:06:29] | kisak: | it gave me great pain |
| [21:06:37] | jduggan: | iamlindoro__: 720p ? |
| [21:06:47] | iamlindoro__: | jduggan, not at real bitrates |
| [21:07:04] | iamlindoro__: | I'll put it this way... |
| [21:07:12] | jduggan: | ok |
| [21:07:17] | tlhiv_laptop: | wow ... myth finally compiled |
| [21:07:20] | tlhiv_laptop: | that took forever ;) |
| [21:07:25] | tlhiv_laptop: | almost as long as qt |
| [21:07:26] | iamlindoro__: | BR tops out at 40 Mbit... which is TWICE the bitrate of BBC-Hd... which many C2Duo machines have a hard time swallowing |
| [21:07:34] | kisak: | forever is much longer than that tlhiv_laptop |
| [21:07:41] | tlhiv_laptop: | ;) |
| [21:07:51] | kisak: | like OpenOffice on a 366MHz laptop |
| [21:07:56] | tlhiv_laptop: | true :-D |
| [21:08:06] | ** tlhiv_laptop would use oo-bin in gentoo ;) ** | |
| [21:08:10] | tlhiv_laptop: | but me doesn't use OO at all |
| [21:08:36] | jduggan: | looks like i need to invest in some more grunt then |
| [21:08:40] | iamlindoro__: | The lowest spec machine in my arsenal is a C2Duo 2.2ghz (E4500), which, when turning off all postprocessing and using multiple processors, can just barely play blu-ray ripped from the disk. |
| [21:09:03] | iamlindoro__: | that's 1080p, of course, but that's most BluRay content too |
| [21:09:36] | iamlindoro__: | the only non-1080p Blu-ray disk I have ever ripped was Discovery Atlas, which was 1080i, but that makes sense given its broadcast origin |
| [21:10:07] | jduggan: | i was hoping to spend my cash on an av receiver, but looks like i might have build a beefier frontend |
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| [21:11:03] | iamlindoro__: | Note I am (and will continue to) specifically avoiding any discussion of downloaded nonsense, but I will say that that stuff, no matter what it purports to be, is far below genuine bitrate |
| [21:11:17] | jduggan: | yea |
| [21:11:36] | jduggan: | ive watched a specific movie on here before |
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| [21:11:55] | jduggan: | but after a couple of reinstalls its just jumpy and locks up |
| [21:12:04] | jduggan: | whats teh best way to find out teh bitrate of the video file? |
| [21:12:31] | directhex: | ffmpeg -i |
| [21:12:32] | directhex: | might work |
| [21:12:43] | directhex: | but "10mbit give or take" is a good guess |
| [21:13:12] | iamlindoro__: | and remember not to trust the bitrate it reports for the container, but rather for the video stream |
| [21:13:26] | jduggan: | Duration: 01:45:40.0, bitrate: N/A |
| [21:13:26] | jduggan: | Stream #0.0: Video: h264, yuv420p, 1280x544, 24.00 fps(r) |
| [21:13:30] | jduggan: | doesnt know |
| [21:13:39] | iamlindoro__: | ahhhh an MKV |
| [21:13:46] | ** iamlindoro__ has been around too long ** | |
| [21:13:47] | directhex: | hahahahaha |
| [21:13:58] | directhex: | 1280*544 :) |
| [21:14:19] | directhex: | hm, that would be 720p with cinemascope, i suppose |
| [21:14:32] | directhex: | still, no relation to real hd media |
| [21:14:34] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, extra pixels are for sissies |
| [21:14:50] | directhex: | at least they cropped the black borders. i hate black borders |
| [21:14:51] | sid3windr: | extra pickles for non-sissies |
| [21:15:19] | iamlindoro__: | jduggan, what's the filesize? |
| [21:15:55] | jduggan: | 165mb |
| [21:15:57] | ** GreyFoxx wonders how many users are activley testing the upcoming release branch ** | |
| [21:16:00] | jduggan: | its just a sample |
| [21:16:21] | iamlindoro__: | It's 1:45 and it's 165??? |
| [21:16:28] | iamlindoro__: | That can't be right |
| [21:16:33] | iamlindoro__: | unless the bitrate is like.... 2. |
| [21:16:54] | iamlindoro__: | And I don't mean 2 Mbit |
| [21:17:07] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, does eternal sonata get a plot at any point? i'm an hour in and i've still not been given any real goals. it's the slowest rpg i've ever played in my life |
| [21:17:09] | clever[rev]: | my DST problem is 'back' |
| [21:17:18] | clever[rev]: | ive got a good idea as to what it is now |
| [21:17:29] | clever[rev]: | my master is runing with TZ=AST4 |
| [21:17:35] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, erm... hmm... Is "exploring around until the good guy go crazy" a plot? |
| [21:17:38] | clever[rev]: | the slaves all have the system wide tz set properly |
| [21:17:48] | clever[rev]: | so the slaves are addjusting for dst and the master isnt |
| [21:17:56] | jduggan: | iamlindoro__: ffmpeg must lie – or du, its 165mb sample |
| [21:17:58] | clever[rev]: | causing problems cancling recordings past the DST change |
| [21:18:00] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, no, it's an absence thereof. if i want to wander around aimlessly and kill monsters, i can play WoW |
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| [21:18:13] | iamlindoro__: | jduggan, more likely someone had a geuine MKV and dd'ed out the first 165 MB |
| [21:18:25] | jduggan: | iamlindoro__: probably |
| [21:18:37] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, in that case, not really :) |
| [21:18:50] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, :'( |
| [21:18:56] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, waste of money for me, then :'( |
| [21:19:29] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Having a degree in music, it was the "things-named-for-musical-terms-even-though-they-sound-retarded" that made me crazy |
| [21:19:49] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, it's a long time since i've touched a piano |
| [21:20:20] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, I mean, it's not even like the names of things match their *temperment*, they're just randomly applied |
| [21:20:41] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, at any rate, for the perfect rpg pacing (imho), look at baldur's gate 2. if that didn't give you a massive urge to carry on the plot within 5 minutes, nothing will |
| [21:20:42] | directhex: | or zelda 3 |
| [21:20:56] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, ahve played and love both, for sure |
| [21:20:58] | iamlindoro__: | have |
| [21:21:45] | iamlindoro__: | Actually kinds craving the new Fallout |
| [21:21:49] | iamlindoro__: | er kinda |
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| [21:26:05] | ** directhex wuvs his autographed zelda 3 ** | |
| [21:30:55] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro__: care to give some assistance on this firewire? |
| [21:31:04] | tlhiv_laptop: | i have the firewire modules loaded |
| [21:31:16] | iamlindoro__: | go ahead and ask, will help as available (am at work) |
| [21:31:19] | tlhiv_laptop: | `firewire_tester -p -n 2 -r 5` fails all 5 times |
| [21:31:38] | iamlindoro__: | ok, so is your box on node 2? |
| [21:31:52] | tlhiv_laptop: | well first of all, it's not a 6200 ... it's a 6412 |
| [21:31:53] | iamlindoro__: | -p = peer to peer mode, -n = node #, -r = repeat # |
| [21:32:15] | iamlindoro__: | what did plugreport say about nodes/ports? |
| [21:32:45] | tlhiv_laptop: | plugreport says bad |
| [21:32:47] | tlhiv_laptop: | Node 0 GUID 0x000ae4070021209d |
| [21:32:47] | tlhiv_laptop: | ------------------------------ |
| [21:32:47] | tlhiv_laptop: | libiec61883 error: error reading oMPR |
| [21:32:47] | tlhiv_laptop: | libiec61883 error: error reading iMPR |
| [21:33:21] | iamlindoro__: | If you get nothing at all from plugreport, there are two possibilities – Firewire is disabled, or you have failed to set something up right |
| [21:33:29] | iamlindoro__: | disabled on the sTB, that is |
| [21:33:40] | tlhiv_laptop: | yikes |
| [21:34:35] | iamlindoro__: | If you loaded all of the firewire modules listed on the wiki page, and get nothing from plugreport, odds are good the STB has firewire disabled |
| [21:35:18] | iamlindoro__: | Example of the plugreport output from my STB: http://rafb.net/p/jVuUEb93.html |
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| [21:36:10] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok getting something now ... back has 2 firewire ports |
| [21:36:11] | tlhiv_laptop: | used the other |
| [21:36:45] | tlhiv_laptop: | plugreport no longer gives nothing |
| [21:36:54] | iamlindoro__: | ok, so since you only have one node, your line is likely to be firewire_tester -p -n 0 -r 20 or something similar |
| [21:37:02] | iamlindoro__: | -n 0 = node 0 |
| [21:37:15] | iamlindoro__: | If those ALL succeed, then you can use P2P mode |
| [21:37:29] | iamlindoro__: | if not, add -b to the line, remove -p, and try again |
| [21:37:45] | tlhiv_laptop: | Node 1 GUID 0x001404fffe7bdabe |
| [21:37:55] | iamlindoro__: | ok, so -n 1 |
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| [21:38:20] | tlhiv_laptop: | some are failing and some succeeding |
| [21:38:27] | tlhiv_laptop: | successful even ;) |
| [21:38:34] | iamlindoro__: | ok, so try -b and increase -r to 50 or so |
| [21:38:41] | iamlindoro__: | you should see them all succeeding by the end |
| [21:38:43] | tlhiv_laptop: | 7/20 failed |
| [21:39:27] | tlhiv_laptop: | -B |
| [21:39:56] | iamlindoro__: | I can has complete sentences? |
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| [21:40:19] | tlhiv_laptop: | do you mean -B and not -b |
| [21:40:20] | directhex: | MOAR REPEATZ! |
| [21:40:23] | iamlindoro__: | yes |
| [21:40:48] | tlhiv_laptop: | it doesn't seem to be "fixing" |
| [21:41:02] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, just follow the wiki, all thsi stuff is there |
| [21:41:05] | iamlindoro__: | this |
| [21:41:11] | tlhiv_laptop: | i'm on there |
| [21:41:15] | tlhiv_laptop: | reading while i test |
| [21:41:29] | iamlindoro__: | s/while/before/ and you'll have something ;) |
| [21:41:36] | tlhiv_laptop: | ;) |
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| [21:59:09] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro__: my pick of the day: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight= |
| [22:00:17] | iamlindoro__: | Ugh, now morbid curiosity is going to make me look up the original thread |
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| [22:00:59] | iamlindoro__: | "hello justinh, I have seen many of ur forums and I think u r gud in development, Cud u please to solve the problem mentioned above..pls reply..." |
| [22:01:00] | iamlindoro__: | NICE |
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| [22:02:33] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro__: ok ... i'm getting success, and i've got the same port/node setup with mythtv-setup ... but mythtv tells me about a recording in progress and then closes |
| [22:03:08] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, what command are you invoking to start the frontend? |
| [22:03:16] | tlhiv_laptop: | mythtv |
| [22:03:19] | iamlindoro__: | mythfrontend |
| [22:03:22] | iamlindoro__: | works much better |
| [22:03:32] | directhex: | you mean "at all" |
| [22:03:43] | iamlindoro__: | s/much better/at all/ |
| [22:03:58] | iamlindoro__: | although I guess at all is by definition much better |
| [22:04:06] | iamlindoro__: | depending on your goal |
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| [22:04:33] | tlhiv_laptop: | when i go to "Watch TV" it tells me the same ... that mythtv is already using all available inputs |
| [22:04:56] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, Kind sounds like you either didn't set up the capture card properly, or didn't attach a listings source to it |
| [22:05:02] | iamlindoro__: | probably the latter |
| [22:05:17] | iamlindoro__: | you need to do *each* of the steps in mythtv-setup, not simply the capture card setup |
| [22:05:19] | tlhiv_laptop: | the latter i guess ... i didn't know a listings source was *required* |
| [22:05:25] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok |
| [22:05:30] | iamlindoro__: | yup-- sign up for the free week of schedulesdirect |
| [22:05:53] | tlhiv_laptop: | so after that i have to pay? |
| [22:06:06] | tlhiv_laptop: | this info can't be obtained from my box somehow |
| [22:06:07] | iamlindoro__: | well, not required, you can set up a null listings source, but for firewire to know what channels it can tune, you're gonna need to do so |
| [22:06:15] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, no, cannot be obtained from the box |
| [22:06:37] | iamlindoro__: | just get the free week and see how it goes, there's no need to give any personal info/credit card or anything for the first week |
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| [22:22:06] | iamlindoro__: | What. The. Hell. http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/04/video-hand . . . mputer-case/ |
| [22:23:44] | tlhiv_laptop: | nice |
| [22:25:50] | fryfrog: | double ewe tee eff :/ |
| [22:27:05] | iamlindoro__: | I'm pretty sure you can climb into that thing and fight the queen alien with it. |
| [22:27:42] | GreyFoxx: | c |
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| [22:39:50] | tgm4883_laptop: | i'm looking for a little clarification about how storage groups work. If I add hard disks from 2 different machines into the same storage group, will each machine also use the others hard disks automatically, or will I need to manually share the disks with samba or NFS too? |
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| [22:41:48] | iamlindoro__: | tgm4883_laptop, storage groups are organized by host in the database, so my guess is they are only employed on the host that is associated with the directory-- more simply put, I would expect you'd need to share them and add them to the storage group on the other backend |
| [22:42:41] | iamlindoro__: | But i really *don't* know for sure, that's just my guess |
| [22:43:23] | tgm4883_laptop: | thanks iamlindoro__ i'll play around with them alittle bit then |
| [22:43:25] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro__: ok ... i have myth not crashing now ... but it's unclear if it has actually retrieved the lineup |
| [22:44:34] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, once you have the lineup and listings source set up, and have attached the listings source to the Firewire device (step 5 I think) then run mythfilldatabase from the command line and it should populate the lineup and listings |
| [22:44:45] | iamlindoro__: | if all that succeeds, you should be able to watch TV at that point |
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| [22:45:18] | hashbang: | http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&a . . . 33%26hl%3Den |
| [22:45:21] | tlhiv_laptop: | well the mythfilldatabase may not be doing what it's supposed to |
| [22:45:35] | hashbang: | any comments on that; Aldi are selling them next week, and if you look at the pic, it's got a SCART on the back! |
| [22:45:41] | tlhiv_laptop: | i'm getting |
| [22:45:43] | tlhiv_laptop: | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized |
| [22:45:50] | tlhiv_laptop: | then it downloads something |
| [22:45:53] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, don't worry about that |
| [22:45:57] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok |
| [22:46:12] | tlhiv_laptop: | i get a message at the end that seems that the backend may not be running (but it is) |
| [22:46:32] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, all it says is *if* the backend is not running it will attempt to contact it at a later time |
| [22:47:25] | tlhiv_laptop: | i'll paste what i'm getting when i go to "watch tv" |
| [22:47:27] | iamlindoro__: | hashbang, Seems like a nice system! The only thing I don't like is the form factor, but no big deal if you put it in a closet or something |
| [22:47:30] | eiersalat: | hashbang: nice thing hashbang, 699 euro woohoo |
| [22:48:15] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro__: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/354594 |
| [22:48:23] | hashbang: | eiersalat: £500 over here |
| [22:48:32] | eiersalat: | http://www.billigdrucker.de/medion-akoya-md-8 . . . di_9902.html |
| [22:48:40] | eiersalat: | was the original link right :) |
| [22:48:54] | eiersalat: | aldi pcs always rocked |
| [22:48:55] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, Sounds like you didn't set up your recording group (or the directory doesn't have proper permissions) |
| [22:48:55] | eiersalat: | =) |
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| [22:49:31] | iamlindoro__: | tlhiv_laptop, looks like it's trying to write to /mnt/store... make sure that exists and that the user running mythbackend can r/w |
| [22:49:36] | eiersalat: | the SCART plug is fucking awesome, no need for tv out |
| [22:49:50] | hashbang: | eiersalat: I wonder exactly how that part works |
| [22:49:58] | hashbang: | eiersalat: I assume it /is/ an output, not just input |
| [22:50:04] | eiersalat: | yep |
| [22:50:25] | eiersalat: | i have no clue either how to get it work under X :D |
| [22:50:57] | eiersalat: | its meant as tv out for sure |
| [22:51:30] | eiersalat: | many ppl need that (in germany) |
| [22:51:43] | hashbang: | I wonder if it's equivalent to the VGA-to-RGB SCART adaptor I home-built |
| [22:51:53] | hashbang: | eiersalat: yeah, same here |
| [22:52:15] | eiersalat: | including myself *looking angry at my not working s-video-SCART converter* grml |
| [22:52:28] | hashbang: | eiersalat: Britain is more european than many Brits are prepared to admit. :-) |
| [22:52:42] | eiersalat: | but still from another planet |
| [22:52:44] | eiersalat: | :D |
| [22:52:50] | hashbang: | heh |
| [22:53:05] | eiersalat: | the brits |
| [22:53:55] | eiersalat: | hmmm vga-scart converter.....would be nice if the scart plug just handled as another vga output on bs side |
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| [22:53:55] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro__: to troubleshoot this, can i disable recording for now? |
| [22:54:50] | hashbang: | eiersalat: I bet the nVidia drivers still suck at interlaced Xv, though |
| [22:55:00] | eiersalat: | yep :-L |
| [22:55:18] | ** hashbang wonders how a bug like that can live for ~4 years. ** | |
| [22:55:50] | eiersalat: | i think we dont need scart plug at the pc, but a decent tv with dvi or something |
| [22:55:56] | eiersalat: | and thats means money |
| [22:55:59] | eiersalat: | :@ |
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| [22:56:22] | hashbang: | eiersalat: well, yes, these days, that's probably the correct solution. :-) |
| [22:57:42] | eiersalat: | yep, until then my spare 19" will suffice as tv |
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| [23:01:35] | venkelos: | is there any command to reset mythtv to defaults? |
| [23:03:26] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro__: ok things seem to be working ... now what's the easiest way to determine what channels i can get via this firewire |
| [23:03:43] | tlhiv_laptop: | i've tried several random ones thusfar, and they all seem to be working ;) |
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| [23:09:59] | iamlindoro: | tlhiv_laptop: Just keep trying them-- 5C (encryption) is per-program rather than per-channel, you will need to spend a bit of time watching normally before you know for sure whether you can rely on it exclusively |
| [23:13:22] | fryfrog: | or wait for the new haupage component in card |
| [23:13:27] | fryfrog: | and use that with your firewire box :) |
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| [23:17:43] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro: can this 5C "flag" be determined without watching it? |
| [23:17:46] | tlhiv_laptop: | by scanning somehow? |
| [23:18:17] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: not from within myth-- there's a service menu on the STBs that tells you (have never used it myself) but since 5C is per program, it can be ok one hour, not ok the next |
| [23:18:33] | tlhiv_laptop: | right |
| [23:18:46] | iamlindoro_: | In *general* entire channels are unencrypted or encrypted, just trying to set your expectations appropriately in case some program suddenly becomes unwatchable |
| [23:19:23] | iamlindoro_: | I have one or two channels that I can get sometimes, and then not other times... no idea why 5C is used selectively on those |
| [23:19:33] | tlhiv_laptop: | right ... so if i try every channel and it seems to be "unencrypted" (at least the ones that i subscribe to), then it's reasonable to believe that they are likely to always be unencrypted |
| [23:19:56] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, it's reasonable, just want you to be wary "just in case." |
| [23:20:00] | tlhiv_laptop: | right |
| [23:20:12] | iamlindoro_: | Sounds like you're in good shape though |
| [23:20:17] | tlhiv_laptop: | right now i'm not able to watch the tv on my laptop screen ... but it does record them |
| [23:20:31] | tlhiv_laptop: | perhaps a myth setting |
| [23:20:49] | iamlindoro_: | Howso unable to watch? |
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| [23:21:04] | tlhiv_laptop: | when i click "Watch TV" it just goes to black screen |
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| [23:21:34] | iamlindoro_: | Well, the logs are going to be the real arbiter there-- If it records but you can't watch, that would generally point to a video driver issue |
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| [23:22:12] | tlhiv_laptop: | right |
| [23:22:49] | tlhiv_laptop: | the firewire seems to keep going out |
| [23:23:05] | iamlindoro_: | for purposes of myth, "having an ATI card" is dealbreaker |
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| [23:23:17] | tlhiv_laptop: | unplugging it and replugging it seems to fix it |
| [23:23:31] | tlhiv_laptop: | well this laptop has intel integrated video so not good for this |
| [23:23:44] | iamlindoro_: | Actually, Intel GPUs are a good thing for myth |
| [23:23:49] | iamlindoro_: | the drivers work well |
| [23:24:12] | iamlindoro_: | Just need to be running the accelerated versions |
| [23:24:30] | tlhiv_laptop: | perhaps i'm not ... i'm running the i810 in X |
| [23:24:34] | iamlindoro_: | re: firewire flakiness, some chipsets have known issues, have never experienced any myself-- more info on the firewire page |
| [23:26:37] | hashbang: | iamlindoro_: I like my VIA firewire chipset bug best |
| [23:26:49] | iamlindoro_: | hashbang: What happens? |
| [23:27:29] | hashbang: | iamlindoro_: it declares its maximum transfer size in Kbytes rather than bytes as the standards say it should. |
| [23:27:48] | iamlindoro_: | HA |
| [23:27:49] | hashbang: | iamlindoro_: so by default, Linux reckons it can only transfer 2 bytes/request |
| [23:27:50] | iamlindoro_: | that sucks |
| [23:28:01] | hashbang: | iamlindoro_: there's a patch, but, um... |
| [23:28:40] | hashbang: | then again, there are a shitload of USB mass storage devices that have off-by-one bugs in their size declarations |
| [23:29:21] | iamlindoro_: | Heh |
| [23:29:35] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, that VIA one would become obvious real fast |
| [23:29:43] | hashbang: | "eh? you're counting from zero? Oops, sorry." |
| [23:30:34] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro_: it would seem that i can transfer my recordings from my dvr to my laptop ;) |
| [23:30:48] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: If you play them out? |
| [23:30:52] | tlhiv_laptop: | yeah |
| [23:30:57] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: ah, interesting |
| [23:31:03] | tlhiv_laptop: | i go to "watch tv" |
| [23:31:12] | tlhiv_laptop: | then select the movie from my dvr and play |
| [23:31:27] | tlhiv_laptop: | and it then records it onto the HD |
| [23:31:34] | iamlindoro_: | There's probably a better way to manage that, otherwise you'll end up with it across multiple files |
| [23:31:42] | tlhiv_laptop: | right |
| [23:32:16] | tlhiv_laptop: | it's resolution is 1920x1080 |
| [23:32:22] | tlhiv_laptop: | is that HDTV resolution? |
| [23:32:28] | iamlindoro_: | one of them |
| [23:32:37] | iamlindoro_: | that's 1080i in this case |
| [23:32:58] | iamlindoro_: | 1280x720 is 720p, 720x480 is 480i/p |
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| [23:33:26] | tlhiv_laptop: | this is very interesting |
| [23:33:34] | tlhiv_laptop: | i had no idea this was possible |
| [23:33:49] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: Kinda makes you realize why we all use myth, huh? ;) |
| [23:34:11] | iamlindoro_: | and you're just scratching the surface |
| [23:34:11] | tlhiv_laptop: | it's almost like this box is just outputting everything that's coming out of the coax to the firewire as well |
| [23:34:20] | tlhiv_laptop: | and perhaps to the hdmi too |
| [23:34:35] | kisak: | watching a commercial for DVR on mythtv is really funny |
| [23:34:47] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: well, firewire would/will play the currently playing program, so that's not unusual |
| [23:35:05] | tlhiv_laptop: | well i thought it "encrypted" it |
| [23:35:07] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, hey i was talking to you last night. what cards do you have in your box |
| [23:35:09] | tlhiv_laptop: | i mean |
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| [23:35:23] | tlhiv_laptop: | i thought the issue is that it might not play some programs because they were encrypted |
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| [23:36:08] | iamlindoro_: | lwizardl: Hey, I have a few across two backends-- right now I have a DVB-S card (doing nothing), a pcHDTV 5500, a PVR-150 (currently unused), a Kworld 115, and a firewire box. |
| [23:36:25] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: The DVR recordings will follow the 5C rules of when they were recorded |
| [23:36:32] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, what distro? |
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| [23:36:36] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: so if there was no 5C on them when they were recorded, they will play out the firewire |
| [23:36:40] | tlhiv_laptop: | this was recorded from HBOHD |
| [23:36:40] | iamlindoro_: | lwizardl: Ubuntu |
| [23:37:02] | tlhiv_laptop: | i would assume that if any channel had 5C, then this premium channel would |
| [23:37:14] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, ok I could use your help I have a kworld atsc 110 and can not get it to work for digital channels only analog |
| [23:37:25] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: I'd say it's a fair assessment-- just be ever vigilant, can't trust Comcast :) |
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| [23:37:45] | tlhiv_laptop: | true enough ... i'm already having to use secure connections for bittorrent |
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| [23:38:25] | iamlindoro_: | lwizardl: Likely you only have the v4l drivers loaded and not the v4l-dvb ones |
| [23:38:37] | iamlindoro_: | lwizardl: I don't own a 110, but there is a myth wiki page for it that is quite good |
| [23:38:56] | lwizardl: | what did you use for install guide? becuase the wiki page didn't work for mine |
| [23:38:57] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC_110 |
| [23:39:13] | iamlindoro_: | didn't work for you how? |
| [23:39:43] | lwizardl: | if I don't use the wiki page analog works on it |
| [23:39:56] | lwizardl: | but if I follow the wiki page says not found in mythtv |
| [23:40:09] | iamlindoro_: | lwizardl: Are you setting it up as the proper card type? |
| [23:40:14] | lwizardl: | i'll brb going to login from mythtv box |
| [23:40:14] | iamlindoro_: | in mythtv-setup? |
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| [23:40:38] | ** iamlindoro_ loves it when people decide you are useful to them and thus assume you have the time to help ** | |
| [23:41:14] | kisak: | like me and asking xris for some info? |
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| [23:41:31] | jamesd: | iamlindoro, and its really amazing how many people value your time so little, even though they expect you to spend hours helping them for no money. |
| [23:41:31] | iamlindoro_: | Wouldn't know, but sure, why not |
| [23:42:09] | ** iamlindoro_ should just know when to shut up and pretend he's not home ** | |
| [23:42:16] | tlhiv_laptop: | i think i may get an extra cable box from comcast for a couple of months or so and see how this works with this firewire |
| [23:42:46] | kisak: | iamlindoro_: it's called lurking, and there's technically nothing wrong with that |
| [23:42:58] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: If you get everything via firewire, I think you'll be pretty damn pleased-- puts you head and shoulders above what most people's situations are |
| [23:43:20] | tlhiv_laptop: | yeah ... that would certainly be a pretty inexpensive solution |
| [23:43:41] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: especially when you start encoding nice archival versions of all your shows and realize that it's better than anything via P2P |
| [23:44:08] | tlhiv_laptop: | well thats the primary motivation (at least initially) is to increase the storage space |
| [23:44:12] | tlhiv_laptop: | this box has 80gb |
| [23:44:17] | tlhiv_laptop: | and it's almost full |
| [23:44:21] | tlhiv_laptop: | alot of our kids' shows |
| [23:44:38] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: Step two is learning Myth's lossless commercial cutting... It is really really nice. |
| [23:44:48] | iamlindoro_: | you'll go through 80 GB *quick* |
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| [23:44:59] | lwizardl: | ok back |
| [23:45:05] | iamlindoro_: | I am 95% full on 2 TB right now (although to be fair that includes all my movies) |
| [23:45:25] | tlhiv_laptop: | how many hours would you say that is? |
| [23:45:35] | tlhiv_laptop: | and this (initially) will not be HD |
| [23:45:41] | tlhiv_laptop: | purely standard definition for now |
| [23:45:46] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: Hundreds upon hundreds-- Most of the shows I watch * all the seasons |
| [23:45:53] | tlhiv_laptop: | cool |
| [23:46:05] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: Whether you're displaying in HD or not, you're capturing in it |
| [23:46:16] | tlhiv_laptop: | i just noticed that about 5–10 minutes of this HD movies was about 900MB |
| [23:46:24] | lwizardl: | iamlindoroI did the modprobe like the wiki page said |
| [23:46:29] | iamlindoro_: | 7–8 GB an hour is a good guideline for HD broadcast |
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| [23:46:34] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro_: even if i get a standard definition receiver? |
| [23:48:12] | hashbang: | UK SD DVB-T is about 1GB/hour, FYI |
| [23:48:26] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: It's the channels/programs that are HD/SD... if you tune a stream from, let's say Discovery HD, since you're getting the raw stream, you would get 1080i... firewire tuning is wasted on SD, anyway |
| [23:49:13] | iamlindoro_: | lwizardl: follow the wiki to the letter. Also, you need to make sure you're setting it up as card type DVB 3.x in mythtv-setup |
| [23:49:46] | iamlindoro_: | well, I guess firewire isn't *wasted* on SD, it just really shines when you get a perfect HD stream |
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| [23:52:04] | noige: | hi |
| [23:52:29] | noige: | wow UJustLostTheGame UJustLostTheGame |
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| [23:53:11] | iamlindoro_: | That was like an ee cummings poem just then |
| [23:53:29] | ** iamlindoro_ pats himself on the back for a #mythtv-users' first ever poetry reference ** | |
| [23:53:45] | iamlindoro_: | s/for a/for/ |
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Please use the above link to report any bugs.
