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Saturday, March 1st, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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rooaus:

Yeah, there can be a few little issues, but there is so much that myth offers that I couldn't contemplate going back. Parents-in-law have a commercial PVR and it has more issues/problems/quirks than myth ;)

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Doginal:

i am tryin to yum install mythtv on my Fedora 8 box but it says Parsing package install arguments

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Doginal:

No package mythtv-suite available.

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Doginal:

Nothing to do

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joobie:

rooaus, true that

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joobie:

brother in law is in the same boat

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joobie:

but it looks like a unix based mediacenter theirs.. i see their dir structure as /hd1/...

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joobie:

brb going to move the myth box in the corner

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yfaykya:

Guys – Does anyone know of any project using thetvdb for myth? I was thinking of writing one but if one existed don't want to reinvent the wheel

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cesman:

what is "thetvdb"?

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iamlindoro:

There is at least one script that uses tvRage, and another that uses that script in a suite, but none that I know of using TheTVdb

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yfaykya:

Yeah I have been hacking tvrage a bit as a lazy way to use thetvdb

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yfaykya:

Seems to do show banners too

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iamlindoro:

The tvRage script works extremely well

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yfaykya:

Misses some shows and very manual at times

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yfaykya:

Could do with id tags for avi!

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iamlindoro:

It's 100% dependent on the user to have properly named files, and can be run in fully automatic mode

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yfaykya:

I hacked it to take info from my dir structure and used imdb-bulk-update to call it

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yfaykya:

Worked fairly well

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yfaykya:

cesman : Look at www.thetvdb.com

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kdubya:

is there any place to get the freaking project grayhem theme now that justin took his site down

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kristok:

I just setup my HDhomerun, and the tuners show up as no.s 4 and 5

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kristok:

I have 2 PVR150's that are 1 & 2.

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kristok:

why didn't the new tuners get 3&4?

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kristok:

not that it really matters that I can tell

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squish102:

kristok and special prices on HDhomerun?

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squish102:

are they working well?

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kristok:

squish102: special prices?

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kristok:

but yeah, they're all working well

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squish102:

kristok, i was thinking of getting them if the price came down a little

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kristok:

i've had it setup for about a week, and it is great so far

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kristok:

i'm using for OTA only.

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Hey, when you have a sec, any notion on when you might be committing the MKV fix? Am curious to try it out-- the less I need to rely on mplayer the better (It's bad enough to need it for the Bluray rips)

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DustyBin:

are there any advantages using a standalone dvd player rather than using a computer dvd player?

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kristok:

DustyBin: I have problems with alot of discs when I try to play them with myth/xine

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kristok:

but maybe other people don't?

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DustyBin:

what kind of problems

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kristok:

problems as in it just doesn't play

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DustyBin:

you need to install the dvd codec

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DustyBin:

for encrypted discs

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DustyBin:

otherwise a lot of them wont play

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kristok:

I think it is the discs where they intentionally mess up some of the sectors so a computer player will get stuck trying to read it

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iamlindoro_:

I personally don't see those kinds of problems-- am able to play pretty much everything (a few of the more recent countermeasures being the exception)

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Acutally I literally just put it somewhere as I was gonna offer it for you to try it L:)

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Nice!

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iamlindoro_:

I'm wrangling some little issues I've been meaning to get to with my box so it came to mind

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DustyBin:

kristok: http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html

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kristok:

DustyBin: I don't have problems with all discs, just newer ones

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: So far itworks fine with most mkv's and mp4's Ive tried it with

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GreyFoxx:

but I have 1 mkv that it fails with

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kristok:

iamlindoro: what player do you use for your dvds

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iamlindoro:

I only have a fairly limited number of mkvs, but I think I at least have SD and HD represented at a couple of bitrates-- can try 10 or so

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DustyBin:

would a dedicated standalone dvd player produce better results than mythdvd ?

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iamlindoro:

kristok: Myth internal at the moment

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Now that I think of it,I havent tried a non mkv/mp4 video with it to make sure I didnt break existing stuff heh

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iamlindoro:

Heh... I'll give it a try with a swath of media and report findings

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GreyFoxx:

I;m suprised the "hack" as I prefer to call it rather than fix was as small as it was

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iamlindoro:

From looking at it, I can't see why it would break anything as it more or less would fall back to the original way of doing things

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

Lord knows if *I* understand the code it must not be too severe :)

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GreyFoxx:

Im just paranoid this close to 0.21 :)

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GreyFoxx:

It took a lot of compiles to get it to that hehe

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GreyFoxx:

lots of "wtf is happenning" :)

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iamlindoro:

Heh... Well, got it compiling on two machines, should have some info for you in just a little bit here-- Will try all my normal filetypes and report with any unusual failures

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iamlindoro:

ruh-oh, compile error-- let me see if this is my fault

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GreyFoxx:

That was a diff againts latest 0.21-fixes branch from a few minutes ago

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iamlindoro:

yeah... hmm, trying to think if I had any other hacks applied it might have conflicted with

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GreyFoxx:

I'll clear it and reapply here

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iamlindoro:

http://rafb.net/p/mJzkHZ45.html

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iamlindoro:

just take a look, I'm sure I boned something here

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iamlindoro:

yeah, has to be me, appears to have compiled fine on the second system

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GreyFoxx:

yeah that;s not from me :)

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GreyFoxx:

I only troubles avformatedecoder.cpp/h

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GreyFoxx:

err touched

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GreyFoxx:

try as make clean ?

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, I made distclean, but there's a fair chance I hacked around on something to fix .ts seeking, and that's probably what;'s causing this

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iamlindoro:

which would make sense given where it fails

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iamlindoro:

just going to clean checkout that dir, should be fine

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GreyFoxx:

I've got 1 file that seems to have audio since problems that I'm sure didnb't have problems if I played from start to finish with no seeking

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GreyFoxx:

bout half a second off

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jblack:

Heh. I didn't know that Todd Sweeney was a musical

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GreyFoxx:

of course if the libav demuxer didnt return AV_NOPTS_VALUE for the dts after a seek it wou7ldn't be a problem :)

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iamlindoro:

Gah, may have to do a clean checkout all together here-- bummer. I really ought to keep better track of what I change.

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: well, on the one machine I've got to compile it so far, it plays and seeks all my MKVs... the highest bitrate one (20 Mbit or so) has some serious issues and ultimately degenerates into a series of NVP Prebuffering pauses, but I think that's more due to the unoptimized nature of the player than your patch

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iamlindoro:

doing a clean checkout on the backend and hoping for the best now

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iamlindoro:

Hmm... compile fails on a fresh checkout-- GreyFoxx, if you've got a chance, can you take a look at the failure? I'm sure it's got to be some difference in dependencies on the backend, but I'm dead in the water for now. http://rafb.net/p/mJzkHZ45.html

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GreyFoxx:

I;m not sure what that is honestly

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GreyFoxx:

do you have any customizations to the libavcodec/* or mpeg* stuff ?

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iamlindoro:

nothing whatsoever now, it's a 100% clean checkout

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GreyFoxx:

using ccache?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

try wipping that and starting the ./configure/make again

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GreyFoxx:

rm -rf ~/.ccache

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GreyFoxx:

ccache is handy but can bite you sometitmes

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iamlindoro:

yeah, doing that now, thanks

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iamlindoro:

anyway, no real issues with my MKVs on the box that works. I think I need to tweak playback profiles a bit since this is the first h.264 stuff I'm playing with it, but should work well after that

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opello:

is there a common recommendation for people that want to play media (using an interface on a tv), but not record tv? i can't seem to figure out what to search for ...

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Have you tried the BBC hd sample in Internal player? Trying to see if I am the only one with an issue here... appears to have no seeking whatsoever and attempting to seek backwards dumps the player back to the menu

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GreyFoxx:

Nope never tried it

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GreyFoxx:

got a link ?

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iamlindoro_:

x264.nl/h.264.samples/

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iamlindoro_:

the bbc.hd.ts one there

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iamlindoro_:

I noticed something similar the other day, let me check this... Yeah, am seeing the same behavior in a .VOB ripped with MythDVD

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iamlindoro_:

I'm fairly certain this is a recent bug, though, as I'm 90% certain VOB seeking used to work ok... that is, if it's not just me

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GreyFoxx:

must be

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GreyFoxx:

UI've had vob ripps of my futurama dvd's for a while and play thenm all the time

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GreyFoxx:

one of my kids favourite shows :)

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: It is probably the old issue, doesn't happen for all vobs (if the old issue, where ffmpeg gives up)

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: av_seek_frame(ic, -1, etc?

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: any luck on that bbc hd sample?

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: My memory isn't that good, I looked in to it some time ago. Same thing leads to wrong duration displaying.

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Gotta wait for the current show to finish :)

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: If it shows the max out of the max, then that's probably this (ie, it always shows 45:27 of 45:27)

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, I've seen higher (unreasonable) numbers as well.

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Ah, ok... prior to my array crash I think I had converted to another format rather than ripping to VOB, so that's probably why I hadn't seen it before-- thanks for that

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Anduin:

One of these days I'll actually give mtd some attention, and the vob issues.

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Or you can be my hero and make mythtranscode work for me ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Or I can buy an HD-PVR, ditch firewire, and everyone wins

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, you shouldn't see it on all of them (took me some time to finally get one that reproduced the problem), feel free to open a ticket... and attach a patch :)

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Hehe, any idea what causes it in the first place?

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iamlindoro_:

Gah, clean checkout, ccache cleared and the compile is *still* failing! What am I doing wrong here?> HAs always worked until today... :(

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Not that I can remember, if I recall correctly it just gives up parsing the stream, details are fuzzy and as usually I have no real notes.

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Any notion on this compile failure? Compiles fine on one box, fails on the other... can't imagine what's different between the two http://rafb.net/p/mJzkHZ45.html

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iamlindoro_:

yeesh, pespacket.cpp hasn't been touched in a year, what the heck did I do?

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: from glib?

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: sorry?

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iamlindoro_:

Definitely haven't run updates, they're disabled on the box... Gah

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: the header location look wrong, seems to be picking a header from /usr/include/glibe-2.0/..

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Anduin:

s\

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Anduin:

and less other typos

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iamlindoro_:

:-/ Hmm... any idea what I've boned here? (or did a makefile change, perhaps?)

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Do you have a /usr/include/libavcodec?

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iamlindoro_:

I'm fairly certain I svn up'ed without issue 3–4 days ago

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iamlindoro_:

no, none present

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iamlindoro_:

Hmm, I *did* compile new ffmpeg last night, wonder if I screwed something there

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: You seem to have an avcodec.h in /usr/include

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iamlindoro_:

gah, sorry, wrong term, you're absolutely right

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Anduin:

I guess the .. could be it shortening the path and not actually a relative path

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iamlindoro_:

last modify date yesterday... has to be my ffmpeg install from then

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iamlindoro_:

well, presumably we want myth to compile against its own libavcodec rather than my hodge-podge compile-- any ideas on a fix?

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iamlindoro_:

since /usr/include is earlier in the includes than the ../libavcodec, is it possible it is attempting to compile against the ffmpeg one before trying the onboard myth one?

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Make it not findable, it is under the glib-2.0 dir? I don't know what actually brings that in.

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Yes, that is what is happening

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iamlindoro_:

hmm, let's see, I've moved it out of the way, let's see what happens

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iamlindoro_:

Is this a case of ffmpeg doing something new? I've always had a self-compiled version before, have never had it conflict with myth

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: I don't know, I only read their list occasionally

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iamlindoro_:

hmm, ok, well had to move both /usr/include/libavcodec and /usr/include/libavformat out of the way... will see if I am able to get through the compile this way. I imagine I am a small section of the population, and that this wouldn't affect many-- but I don't think I'd be the only one

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iamlindoro:

ok, seriously confused now: http://rafb.net/p/Vix8BT79.html

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iamlindoro:

that's after a make distclean

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levander:

If I've got to plug in a STB into my myth box for digital cable, how weird is it going to be if when I change the channel on the STB, I don't have it setup so that the "channel" changes on the Myth box too?

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: from libavutil/crc.h

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mchou:

levander: nothing weird at all

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Anduin:

levander: people do it the other way around, make their MythTV boxes change their STB (that device you asked about the other day)

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: Yeah, I see it defined there... What in the heck is going on?

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mchou:

levander: works just dandy since myth chnges the channel on STB regardless which channel STB is set to (prior)

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levander:

mchou: So then why do people use IR transceivers at all?

[03:06:02]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: Do you have a /usr/include/libavutil?

[03:06:03]

levander:

mchou: impressive memory

[03:06:22]

mchou:

levander: beats me

[03:06:34]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: :) You're right on... mv it is

[03:06:47]

levander:

mchou: Do you have it set up like that? Where when you change the channel on the STB, you just leave your myth box alone?

[03:06:59]

** Anduin afk, not ignoring you **

[03:06:59]

mchou:

no reason to use ir for chan control uf firewire ch change works

[03:07:21]

mchou:

if*

[03:07:28]

levander:

Yeah, yeah, you know what I meant.

[03:07:48]

levander:

So, you do have to synchronize channel changes between the STB and the myth box for some reason.

[03:07:51]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: *finally* made it through that file, thanks a ton-- basically had to mv /usr/include/libav* out... not sure what changed in ffmpeg in the last month or so

[03:07:56]

mchou:

levander: no

[03:08:24]

levander:

mchou: Well, what's the advantage of having them changed at the same time? That's what I'm trying to figure out.

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mchou:

levander: what are you talking about? I'm confused

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levander:

mchou: IR transceivers and setting it up so that when you change the channel on you STB, it also changes channels on the myth box (or vice versa).

[03:09:54]

GreyFoxx:

umm no

[03:10:08]

mchou:

levander: I dont know why ppl would want to set it up like that

[03:10:15]

GreyFoxx:

You don;t manually change channels on the STB

[03:10:25]

GreyFoxx:

myth will change it on the STB as needed

[03:10:32]

moegreen:

hello everyone...I just turned on my mythbox and got this error."xsession:warning:unable to write to /tmp; X session may exit with an error" and when i hit ok it flashes the nvidia logo and then back to the screen with that error.

[03:10:36]

moegreen:

am i sol?

[03:11:01]

GreyFoxx:

moegreen: full partition? Try booting froma livecd of somesort ?

[03:11:07]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: unless some fool diecides to change channel via IR on STB while myth is recording :)

[03:11:28]

levander:

mchou: Have you been drinking tonight?

[03:11:50]

mchou:

levander: no, I'm snacking, which explains the lousing typing

[03:11:53]

iamlindoro:

moegreen: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=85879

[03:11:55]

moegreen:

what kind of livecd? Im using knoppmyth, is there a live version of that?

[03:12:16]

levander:

mchou: snacking is some kind of new slang for recreational drug use?

[03:12:32]

moegreen:

cool..thanks for the link ill check it out.

[03:12:33]

|Torg|:

moegreen: what does df -k tell you about the free space on /

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mchou:

levander: wtf?

[03:12:53]

mchou:

you never had finger food all over the keyboard?

[03:12:58]

iamlindoro:

moegreen: you can try doing ctrl-alt-f3 to get to a terminal to do any troubleshooting anyone asks you to do, also check out that forum post

[03:12:59]

levander:

mchou: I don't know, you tell me.

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defaultro:

hi folks, good evening. Anyone good in electronics? I have a question :)

[03:16:18]

mchou:

lol

[03:16:25]

defaultro:

hey mchou

[03:16:27]

defaultro:

how are you?

[03:16:30]

mchou:

deaultro again

[03:16:37]

defaultro:

yes, it's me again

[03:16:42]

mchou:

ok

[03:17:03]

mchou:

spring is in the air :)

[03:17:24]

defaultro:

i'm thinking of putting zeners on the fans of my projector to slow it down. The radio shack guy told me not to do it because slowing down the fan is dangerous. What is your thought about it?

[03:17:31]

defaultro:

yes, few more weeks

[03:17:33]

mchou:

lol

[03:17:46]

defaultro:

my projector is like a jet, it's loud

[03:17:59]

mchou:

rat shack dude doesnt know what he's talking about

[03:18:08]

defaultro:

:)

[03:18:13]

mchou:

I use zeners all the time it's not funny

[03:18:29]

mchou:

none of my machines crashed yet

[03:18:30]

defaultro:

so what do you think about what I am going to do. Is it ok?

[03:18:34]

defaultro:

ah :D

[03:18:50]

mchou:

depends on the heat that needs to be disappated

[03:18:56]

defaultro:

gotcha

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|Torg|:

as long as you use a lower voltage zener then the motor is rated at you shoul dbe ok

[03:19:08]

defaultro:

oh

[03:19:16]

defaultro:

i bought 1 watt 5.1v zener

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|Torg|:

but the fan runs becase it needs to disapate heat

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defaultro:

so I have to ask the guys again what watts I need. They just mentiond 5.1v

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|Torg|:

so slowing it down coudld be badm is this a DLP?

[03:20:03]

|Torg|:

you consider AMPS not WATTs

[03:20:13]

mchou:

lol

[03:20:18]

|Torg|:

and trhe zener itself will overheat too

[03:20:24]

defaultro:

that's what it says on the radioshack packaging

[03:20:38]

defaultro:

so the 1 watt is not good?

[03:20:54]

|Torg|:

well I take it you want to slow it down for noise

[03:21:00]

defaultro:

just wondering if the guy who told me is telling the truth

[03:21:04]

mchou:

P=IV

[03:21:05]

defaultro:

yes

[03:21:16]

defaultro:

noise is loud, i can't stand it anymore

[03:21:32]

defaultro:

here is our thread and my nick there is v1rtu0s1ty

[03:21:33]

|Torg|:

well like I said conside the fact it may need the cooling, and your going to add a component that creates heat, allot to be exact

[03:21:37]

defaultro:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php . . . 2&page=2

[03:21:55]

runoff:

PVR-150 went missing on secondary backend, not seen during backend setup??

[03:22:01]

defaultro:

he also added many holes in the power supply

[03:22:08]

defaultro:

he drilled I mean

[03:22:10]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: That BBC clip kills my cpu

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|Torg|:

some fans also have statup voltate, menaing it will never spin to begin with if you underpower it too much

[03:22:27]

defaultro:

k

[03:22:29]

mchou:

a zener diode does not create heat

[03:22:29]

GreyFoxx:

but a couple of my mp4's do the prebuffer pause thing,so I'll look at that next

[03:22:54]

defaultro:

the projector is a sony 1272 crt projector that has 5 fans

[03:23:02]

mchou:

a zener diode dissappates heat. Big difference

[03:23:05]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Hmm, ok... well it's a big beast of a clip... will it seek or does it show 8 seconds out of 8 the whole time?

[03:23:31]

|Torg|:

ok mchou you are right, the sun effect however is he is going to generate more heat in the unit

[03:23:31]

GreyFoxx:

It was so choppy using 99% of my cpu I didn't even try to seek :)

[03:23:35]

defaultro:

mchou, it says maximum power dissipation: 1 watt

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defaultro:

so am I fine with this zener I bought or should I look for another one?

[03:24:18]

|Torg|:

is it ceiling mounted?

[03:24:21]

defaultro:

yes

[03:24:24]

mchou:

defaultro: it's not rocket science

[03:24:30]

defaultro:

http://restricted.dyndns.org/crtmount

[03:24:37]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I do have a vob showing that symptom though

[03:24:37]

defaultro:

that's how I installed it

[03:24:45]

GreyFoxx:

just luck the one I fired yup does it

[03:24:46]

mchou:

the fan generally has a voltage and current rating

[03:24:47]

|Torg|:

it not very difficult to do just put it on the line

[03:24:50]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: ah, ok, so I'm not nuts... thanks for the confirmation

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defaultro:

Torg, I mean, I am concerned because this fricking radioshack guy scared me that i will cause fire

[03:25:22]

|Torg|:

the difficult part is does it slow it down enogh to not bug you and fast enogh not to melt the projector

[03:25:37]

defaultro:

yeah, that's what he was saying

[03:25:41]

|Torg|:

the diode, wont, the overheating projector might

[03:25:44]

mchou:

from the voltage drop you have everything you need to figure out the minimum heat dissappation rating necessary for the diode.

[03:25:52]

moegreen:

ctrl-alt-f3 doesnt do anything :(

[03:25:54]

mchou:

defaultro: lol

[03:25:57]

moegreen:

to get a term

[03:26:05]

mchou:

rat shack guy is a dumbass

[03:26:18]

mchou:

that's why he works at ratshack

[03:26:21]

defaultro:

:) it was the guys on avsforum who decided with the 5.1v

[03:26:27]

defaultro:

:D hehehe

[03:26:32]

|Torg|:

most raido shack employyes are less then knowedgable, if thye were they wont be salesmen at raido shack

[03:26:33]

defaultro:

that makes me feel comfortable

[03:26:43]

defaultro:

k

[03:26:58]

defaultro:

so the overheating and melting is now my only concern

[03:27:07]

mchou:

yup

[03:27:15]

defaultro:

however, the guy on the forum told me that he left his projector on for more than 10 hours

[03:27:16]

mchou:

and voiding the warranty

[03:27:23]

defaultro:

oh, it's 1997 :)

[03:27:31]

defaultro:

i got it second hand

[03:27:35]

defaultro:

for $125

[03:27:37]

mchou:

ok then, hack away

[03:27:49]

mchou:

for $125 it's worth a shot

[03:27:53]

|Torg|:

you could also jsut amke sound baffels for it

[03:27:59]

mchou:

no harm no foul

[03:28:07]

defaultro:

Torg, I didn't get it

[03:28:26]

defaultro:

I had this projector for almost 5 months now

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|Torg|:

oh well tis abotu a $2 part, if it dosnt work its not like you spent allot of money

[03:28:30]

defaultro:

i'm very happy with it

[03:28:54]

defaultro:

http://restricted.dyndns.org/hddvdscreenshots.html my newest screenshots

[03:29:04]

defaultro:

so yeah, I'll hack away then

[03:29:20]

|Torg|:

defaultro: self portrait?

[03:29:29]

defaultro:

what is self portrait?

[03:29:29]

mchou:

beowulf???

[03:29:36]

|Torg|:

yea

[03:29:37]

mchou:

is that movie any good?

[03:29:40]

defaultro:

yeah, beowulf

[03:29:48]

defaultro:

It was ok

[03:29:55]

mchou:

cause the book sucked :)

[03:29:55]

defaultro:

the picture quality was phenomenal

[03:30:02]

defaultro:

the best HD I have seen

[03:30:07]

|Torg|:

yu turned your garrage into a media room?

[03:30:14]

defaultro:

it's basement

[03:30:21]

mchou:

you get 3d glasses with that DVD?

[03:30:28]

defaultro:

nope

[03:30:43]

mchou:

then what good is it?

[03:30:52]

defaultro:

what do you mean?

[03:30:53]

mchou:

in the theatre it was 3d

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defaultro:

oh

[03:31:02]

defaultro:

i didn't konw it was 3d

[03:31:05]

mchou:

lol

[03:31:09]

mchou:

damn kids

[03:31:17]

defaultro:

that's why the blood was like floating

[03:31:24]

defaultro:

but this movie is not for kids

[03:31:31]

defaultro:

it was so violent

[03:31:33]

|Torg|:

the story isnt either

[03:31:42]

defaultro:

cutting the body in half, no film cuts

[03:31:48]

defaultro:

mine was Director's Cut

[03:31:51]

mchou:

defaultro: dude, when I said "damn kids" I meant you :)

[03:31:56]

defaultro:

hahaha

[03:32:03]

iamlindoro:

Ummm, that movie had Angelina Jolie CG nipple and we get to see naked dudes?

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defaultro:

the nipples was covered with gold

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defaultro:

melting

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mchou:

Angelina was preggo when she made that movie

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iamlindoro:

Shape's still there... all I've learned about you is you lurve Eric Bana

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defaultro:

I got that Beowulf HDDVD new at Hollywood for $10

[03:33:12]

mchou:

lol

[03:33:16]

Reiver:

Angelina Jolie is naked in half the movies she has made

[03:33:21]

mchou:

HDDVD on fiaah

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defaultro:

yes, but it died :(

[03:33:43]

defaultro:

so i'm just keeping collections

[03:33:47]

mchou:

that's why it's on fire

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defaultro:

once BD standalone supports profile 2.0 and price goes down to $149, I'll buy

[03:34:13]

|Torg|:

so what are you goint to do with teh HD HDVD player when they stop distributing HD DVDs?

[03:34:25]

defaultro:

I'll use it for upconverting DVDs

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mchou:

it's a greater scaler

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mchou:

yeah, that's what I meant :)

[03:34:51]

mchou:

upconverting

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defaultro:

Torg, this is a DVD upcoverted to 1080i, http://restricted.dyndns.org/wolverine.png

[03:36:29]

defaultro:

that is at 114" wide

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mchou:

lol

[03:36:48]

mchou:

way too many toys

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|Torg|:

I wish I had a basement or I would do it too

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defaultro:

because i got it cheap :)

[03:37:19]

mchou:

must be great for watch pr0n :)

[03:37:23]

defaultro:

yes

[03:37:26]

mchou:

lol

[03:37:30]

defaultro:

i did once

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mchou:

haha!!!

[03:37:46]

defaultro:

but noticed that they don't make really sharp

[03:37:54]

defaultro:

make it really sharp like Heroes

[03:37:59]

defaultro:

HEROES is a nice feed

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mchou:

that's cause the actresses are embarassed

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defaultro:

yes :D hahaha

[03:38:20]

mchou:

they don want you to see cellulite :)

[03:38:25]

mchou:

dont*

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defaultro:

The models though at mariposa are nice

[03:38:31]

defaultro:

you can download mariposa

[03:38:34]

defaultro:

and free

[03:38:35]

mchou:

be a BIG turn off

[03:38:42]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Just converted a few mid-bitrate h.264 TSs to MKV... seeking works very well, little issue @ 720p and 10 Mbit or so

[03:39:06]

|Torg|:

iamlindoro where are those paches to do that?

[03:39:20]

defaultro:

http://www.mariposahd.tv/

[03:39:26]

defaultro:

i think that's the site

[03:39:39]

defaultro:

yes, that's the site :) hmmm, mama mia

[03:39:45]

iamlindoro_:

|Torg|: GreyFoxx is still working on them, just had me test, I just don't want to act out of turn and hand the diff out

[03:39:47]

defaultro:

bon apettit

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mchou:

defaultro: that's nas-t

[03:40:03]

defaultro:

no, it's modeling

[03:40:08]

defaultro:

but they're sexy

[03:40:13]

mchou:

the models are nasty

[03:40:14]

defaultro:

no nude if I remember correctly

[03:40:48]

defaultro:

I missed the chanel FTV

[03:40:52]

defaultro:

I don't have it in Comcast

[03:41:28]

iamlindoro_:

I have absolutely no idea where this season of Torchwood is going

[03:43:02]

defaultro:

going back to the zener mod, what possibly could I be overheating? Is it power supply?

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|Torg|:

tubes

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mchou:

defaultro: you arent overheating anything

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|Torg|:

this is a three tube crt, right?

[03:43:48]

mchou:

you just need to make sure the fans are emoving sufficent heat is all

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mchou:

removing*

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defaultro:

Torg, yes 3 tube

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defaultro:

gotcha

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defaultro:

as long as it still sucking air out, I should be fine

[03:44:27]

mchou:

what are the fan ratings? (Voltage, current)?

[03:44:35]

defaultro:

that I have to find out

[03:44:37]

defaultro:

let me check

[03:45:27]

defaultro:

let me go down and hopefully there is a print on the fan

[03:46:44]

mchou:

and you need to know if the fans are AC or DC

[03:46:56]

mchou:

most likely they are DC

[03:47:42]

mchou:

the real way to control the fans is by PWM

[03:48:17]

mchou:

attached to thermal diodes

[03:48:26]

mchou:

safe and effective

[03:48:26]

defaultro:

yes, there is a sticker. :) DC 12 V 0.18 A

[03:48:38]

mchou:

that's simple

[03:48:41]

defaultro:

ok

[03:49:03]

defaultro:

will the zener I bought work? 5.1V

[03:49:06]

mchou:

go buy youself one of those fan controllers for PCs

[03:49:16]

defaultro:

current is 49mA

[03:49:19]

defaultro:

fan controllers?

[03:49:31]

mchou:

you know, the ones that controll 5 fans in your case

[03:49:40]

mchou:

or whatever

[03:49:55]

mchou:

those pretty much work on PWM

[03:49:57]

defaultro:

my brain is dead

[03:49:59]

defaultro:

ah

[03:50:03]

defaultro:

the power supply?

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mchou:

what power supply?

[03:50:28]

defaultro:

ooops, i'm wrong

[03:50:39]

defaultro:

i'm trying to visualize there what is fan controller

[03:51:25]

defaultro:

oh, http://www.xoxide.com/fancontrollers.html

[03:51:44]

defaultro:

are you referring to those on the picture on the link?

[03:51:45]

mchou:

yup

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mchou:

you youse one of those for prototyping

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mchou:

use*

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defaultro:

its's the first time I have seen it

[03:52:33]

mchou:

fingure out exactly what zener diodes to get and still have good air flow

[03:52:46]

defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

so this controller fan will be added to my setup?

[03:53:32]

mchou:

http://www.cooltechzone.com/reviews/cases/pwm . . . ller_001.php

[03:53:39]

mchou:

there's one that's PWM

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mchou:

(not an endorsement)

[03:54:14]

mchou:

just saying that's PWM

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defaultro:

it's still loading

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mchou:

with PWM circuitry you wont have to worry about proper ratings for zeners

[03:55:03]

defaultro:

ok

[03:55:11]

defaultro:

not sure why it's not loading the webpage

[03:55:28]

defaultro:

it's freezing at falkag.net

[03:55:33]

mchou:

beats me.

[03:55:39]

mchou:

use a real browser

[03:55:45]

mchou:

works fine here

[03:56:28]

defaultro:

maybe my internet

[03:56:37]

defaultro:

tried both firefox and IE

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defaultro:

:(

[03:56:48]

defaultro:

I do see the cyan graphhics on top

[03:57:19]

defaultro:

i see it slowly

[03:57:26]

defaultro:

noise fan isolator

[03:57:31]

|Torg|:

javascrip blocker?

[03:57:39]

defaultro:

might be

[03:58:19]

defaultro:

I'm getting a SYN incomplete

[03:58:26]

defaultro:

BAM

[03:58:34]

defaultro:

that's slick looking

[03:58:55]

defaultro:

so how does it work again? I need to mod 5 fans on the projector

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mchou:

there is nothing to mod

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

so how do I make use of this on the projector?

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mchou:

get 5 replacemnt fans, attache to this baby, you're done

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defaultro:

what? you mean, remove the 5 existing fans too?

[04:00:35]

mchou:

that may or may not be necessary

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defaultro:

sorry, I'm a bit confused. The fan that is noisy is on the projector

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mchou:

the only reason I suggest replacement fans is because of header incompatabilities

[04:01:49]

mchou:

but if the fan headers are compatible all you need get is the fan controller

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defaultro:

:) i'm confused

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|Torg|:

he is telling you to connect the fan controller to the fans in the projector, If they controler plugs do nt fit, change out the fans with ones that do.

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mchou:

http://powerelectronics.com/thermal_managemen . . . ulators_rev/

[04:08:32]

mchou:

that's all you need to know :)

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defaultro:

let me see

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defaultro:

I wish I can see a picture how a fan controller is a connected to a fan like which wire goes to which. I've never owned one

[04:10:50]

mchou:

there is nothing to see.

[04:11:17]

mchou:

most fan controllers have fan headers exactly like those on mobos

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defaultro:

i have to see what a fan header looks like

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mchou:

3pin most of the time

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defaultro:

is it the body of the fan

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mchou:

+/-/tach

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

so are there PWM that can handle all my 5 fans if it does fit?

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mchou:

yup

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defaultro:

am I correct that we will just introduce the PWM in the existing wire?

[04:13:01]

mchou:

and more efficient than zeners

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

i hope they don't cost more than $30

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mchou:

you dont introduce PWM to existing wire

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mchou:

you are just attaching the fans to the PWM controller

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defaultro:

ok. But they're currently connected to the projectors. I see 2 wires

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mchou:

snip them off

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defaultro:

ok and then

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mchou:

wtf??

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mchou:

what do you mean and then?

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mchou:

this shit is obvious

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defaultro:

sorry, I'm trying to visualize it

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defaultro:

you said, you are just attaching the fans to the PWM controller

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mchou:

there aint nothing that needs visualizing

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defaultro:

you also said to cut them off correct?

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mchou:

sigh

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defaultro:

sorry buddy

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aravind:

hi

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mchou:

fucking educational system in the US needs to be improved

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defaultro:

:)

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mchou:

all this special ed stuff is making your brains soft

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aravind:

I have mythtv working (I think partially), but I don't think I am driving my card to the fullest extent possible. I'd like some help figuring this out. I have a pvr-350. I can watch recordings just fine when I use the fbdev.

[04:20:06]

aravind:

when I try to say "Use pvr-350's hardware decoding", it says unable to initialize /dev/video16.

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defaultro:

i'm reading the link you sent

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aravind:

the computer is connected just to the TV, so no second monitor.

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aravind:

I looked through a bunch of forum posts, and everyone seems to say, what I have should just work. And it does, as long as I use just the fbdev for X and playing video.

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xris:

aravind: do you *need* the hardware decoding?

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aravind:

xris: yeah, I have an older computer, and I'd like as much out of the tuner card as I can get

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xris:

define "older"

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mchou:

aravind: how old is the comp? what CPU?

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aravind:

xris: for example, I have noticed that dvd playback etc is choppy at times.

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defaultro:

mchou, i think my problem is that, I couldn't figure out how you want me to attach the fans to the PWM

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mchou:

aravind: does it have agp slot?

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xris:

that's often because of linux sucking for (illegal) dvd playback

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mchou:

lol

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defaultro:

the fans aren't accessible outside

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mchou:

illegal

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xris:

you might be better off with a real video card.. the 350 is ancient.

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aravind:

Pentium III (Coppermine) at 933 MHz, and only 512 MB RAM

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mchou:

aravind: that's more than enough juice

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xris:

mchou: I used to get skipping when doing decss, but had no trouble with unencrypted disks. unfortunately, the only unencrypted disks in my house are yoga.

[04:24:04]

xris:

had something to do with buffering, not cpu

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aravind:

mchou: note, its playback of regular tv recordings is just fine.

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mchou:

aravind: get a agp vid card like geforce MX or 5200

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aravind:

I am just trying to drive the pvr350 decoding as far as I can get :)

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mchou:

xris: you do yoga or your wife does yoga?

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mchou:

aravind: forget it

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xris:

mchou: neither of us in a long time

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mchou:

350 decode can't be driven too far

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xris:

aravind: just so you know, you're playing around with old/unsupported hardware.

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xris:

possibly more work than worth the effort

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aravind:

xris: pvr-350 is unsupported?

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xris:

aravind: mythtv hasn't officially maintained it in about a year and a half

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aravind:

oh

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mchou:

ivtv still supports it :)

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xris:

and I think it's been at least that long since hauppauge stopped making them

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xris:

mchou: for input, yes. but getting more and more hassle for output

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mchou:

well ivtv has been going downhill lately

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mchou:

a real disappoint

[04:28:02]

mchou:

disappointment*

[04:28:23]

mchou:

but that's another issue

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aravind:

okay, one more question then. I have been following a few howtos, and I can get the tv out on the 250 to play stuff directly when I cat /blah.mpd to /dev/video16, but the same thing doesn't work when I have X running on the fbdev. The howtos seem to indicate that it should be possible.

[04:28:57]

aravind:

am I reading them wrong, or is my setup messed up?

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pretender:

my MythTV Digital stations now have a choppy picture since installing my 22" LCD Help

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mchou:

pretender: what tuner?

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pretender:

DVT-1000T

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aravind:

am I pretty much at a dead end with this?

[04:35:12]

pretender:

leadtek winfast

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mchou:

pretender: does itr still chop if you attach a regular TV or CRT?

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mchou:

pretender: or it only chops on LCD?

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mchou:

I'm talking playback of recordings only

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pretender:

live TV the Digital Channels only it was fine on my 17" LCD before i upgraded to the 22" LCD

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mchou:

I'm not talking about "before." I'm talking "now"

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pretender:

im running a nvidia 5200 GFX

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mchou:

attch the 17 LCD, playback a recording, tell me if it's skippy

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aravind:

hmm.. I guess I am, thanks for your help guys.

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pretender:

haven't attached a 2nd monitor to test

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pretender:

but am doing now

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pretender:

no not choppy on 2nd montir 17"

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pretender:

monitor

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mchou:

well well

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mchou:

that's not a good sign

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Belboz91:

Hey all, I just configured my Mythbox for SPDIF output, and now music files don't play at all, they don't even load

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Belboz91:

but DVD's play great :-P

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Belboz91:

nevermind, I got it :-P

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rhpot1991:

anyone able to help me get my firewire working, running 0.21 and I don't see a GUID listed in mythtv-setup and the firewire doesn't seem to be working in MythTV at all

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iamlindoro_:

rhpot1991: Did you do all the stuff to prime the port, determine whether you're in P2P or Broadcast mode, etc? Moreover, are you sure you have an active firewire port?

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rhpot1991:

did the priming, and determined broadcast

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rhpot1991:

as far as active port, it doesn't have 5c or CCI

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rhpot1991:

not sure how else to test beyond that

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rhpot1991:

it seems like a big deal that the GUID dropdown is empty in my mythtv-setup

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rhpot1991:

iamlindoro_: got it figured out, had to assign the firewire port to my user that was running mythtv-setup

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tonyr1988:

I have a PVR-150, but want to be able to access the raw video feed. /dev/video0 is the hardware-encoded one, and /dev/video32 is the raw one (I believe). So far so good, or am I mistaken from the beginning?

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Justin__:

i installed mythtv last night for the first time using mythbuntu 7.10, and got it working beautifully with my cable box. I decided to redo everything today, but on a bigger harddrive, and with the latest mythtv build. The New Capture Card dialog has changed considerably, and I can no longer add my firewire cable box as a source

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Justin__:

does anyone have experience w/ firewire and the latest mythtv build?

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Justin__:

specifically, it's not detecting the firewire GUID, as there is no longer prompts to enter the port and node (my box uses a non-standard node)

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Justin__:

so i believe it is looking for the box at the wrong node

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joobie:

hey guys.. i get this error heaps "dib0700: Unknown remote controller key : 8 37"

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joobie:

like heaps.. it's coming up as a kernel error over n over n over

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joobie:

any idea how to fix?

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rhpot1991:

is there any way to tell with a digital tuner (inside my tv) or my firewire capable STB which channels a HDHR would be able to see?

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iamlindoro:

The digital tuner in your TV and the HDHR will get the same channels

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iamlindoro:

all things being equal, that is (presuming the tuners are of equal quality, have equivalent signal sensitivity)

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rhpot1991:

alright thank, guess I'll try that and see what comes though

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rhpot1991:

firewire seems a bit flaky here

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rhpot1991:

plus my master backend/frontend needs an upgrade to handle HD better, got it to stop skipping by forcing XvMC but it seems to be tearing now

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Justin__:

did anyone see my question above? latest mythtv removed port and node prompt in the New Capture Card dialog. My box uses a non-standard node, and mythtv isn't detecting the GUID

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rhpot1991:

Justin__: firewire?

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Justin__:

i tried changing the NODE in the mysql database using phpmyadmin, but that doesn't seem to be enough

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Justin__:

yes

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Justin__:

do you know which field in the database i enter the GUID?

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rhpot1991:

I had to sudo chown user:user /dev/raw1394 in order to get the GUID to show up

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rhpot1991:

where user == the user running mythtv-setup

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rooaus:

joobie

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rooaus:

^^^ ah... sorry. Just ignore that.

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Justin__:

would that be my user name, or the 'mythtv' user?

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rhpot1991:

it kinda works after that, I get a lot of failing when I switch channels though

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rhpot1991:

for me it was my user, depends on how your system is setup

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Justin__:

i had it working perfect in .20

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Justin__:

updated to the weekly build and its all botched

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rhpot1991:

it seems the GUID is a new thing

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rhpot1991:

mythbuntu?

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Justin__:

well before you simply entered the port and node

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Justin__:

those fields are gone, so it resorts to default

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rhpot1991:

some other people were telling me your node would sometimes switch on reboot, and the GUID fixes that

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Justin__:

i see, but there is no way to manually enter the GUID in the setup

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Justin__:

and i just realized i already did what you suggested

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Justin__:

i setup the mythbackend script to take ownereship of firewire on start

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rhpot1991:

well it wont show up unless that user has privledges

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rhpot1991:

ya but that backend stops when you run myth-setup

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Justin__:

ahh

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rhpot1991:

run setup, then go chmod then go into the menu

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rhpot1991:

and it should show up

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Justin__:

ok good idea

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Justin__:

you are my hero

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Justin__:

that worked!

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Justin__:

ive been working on this all night

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rhpot1991:

I just had to do the same thing earlier

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rhpot1991:

gotta test it and see if it will work with just the group perms set

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Justin__:

hmm, not getting a good channel lock

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Justin__:

think i need to reboot with the cable box plugged in and on... it seems to lose it if i turn the cable box off

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rhpot1991:

I'm having a problem getting a good channel lock too

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rhpot1991:

this is my first trial with firewire though so I'm not sure what to expect

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Justin__:

i got it working with mythbuntu 7.10 dsitro perfectly yesterday

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Justin__:

first time messing with mythtv... decided to install on a bigger drive w/ the latest updates

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Justin__:

and nothing but problems now

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rhpot1991:

mine seems to record from the firewire fine

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rhpot1991:

just not livetv

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Justin__:

livetv was perfect in 7.10... i may just need to rollback

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Justin__:

part of the reason i updated though was because my hdhomerun wouldn't scan channels, which i heard was fixed in .21 :(

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xris:

anyone know the name of that d-link upnp media player device?

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iamlindoro:

dsm-320?

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iamlindoro:

maybe?

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xris:

iamlindoro: that sounds right, thanks

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Justin__:

rhpot1991, are you using p2p or broadcast?

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iamlindoro:

no problem

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rhpot1991:

I was using broadcast, trying out p2p now not much better

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joobie:

hehe

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joobie:

damn rooaus, i thought i had a solution

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Justin__:

which mythtv build are you using?

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joobie:

btw rooaus .. i went down to radioparts and dicksmith today.. both of them dont have that audio + dvi -> hdmi adapter

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Justin__:

weird thing is im still getting 100% success w/ firewire_tester (broadcast)

[07:01:48]

Justin__:

bah. does anyone know the best way to roll back versions?

[07:02:07]

iamlindoro:

restore your db from your backup, install the revision that is associated with it

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rhpot1991:

Justin__: 0.21.0~fixes16259–0ubuntu0~mythbu

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Dagmar:

By praying you made a copy of the database before the change you're about to rollback

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Justin__:

well assuming i wanted to clear the database and install fresh

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iamlindoro:

Also, you can get 100% success with the tester and never get an mpeg stream out of it if the cable company has disabled video out the firewire

[07:03:37]

iamlindoro:

or 5Cs al the programs

[07:03:40]

iamlindoro:

er all

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rooaus:

Justin__: If it was a recent 0.21-fixes build there should have been a DB backup automatically made before the schema upgrade.

[07:03:47]

Justin__:

i had it working mythbuntu.org

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Justin__:

whoops wrong page

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rhpot1991:

mythbuntu makes a backup of your DB before you upgrade to 0.21

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Justin__:

well i did apt-get remove mythtv-*, added the mythbuntu weekly build repository, and did apt-get install mythtv-*

[07:10:36]

rhpot1991:

I'm not sure it will restore the DB for you like that, you will prob have to do it by hand

[07:13:54]

Justin__:

im just going to reinstall fresh from mythbuntu 7.10 disc, knowing my luck that will be quicker

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Cackette:

Is there anything I have to do after a commercial-flag job?

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Cackette:

It says "Finished, 9 breaks found."

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Dagmar:

Generally, you want to go into the playback thing, hit 'E' to open the cutlist editor, 'Z' to load the commercial-flaggers cuts, and then _check_ them

[07:36:23]

Dagmar:

...and don't mouth off at me again.

[07:38:09]

mchou:

Dagmar: you feeling some frustration?

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Dagmar:

mchou: No, just making it clear that people who act like jackasses rather rapidly find no one willing to answer their questions anymore.

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Justin__:

ok, just reinstalled mythbuntu 7.10 from scratch and reconfigured everything, and firewire playback works flawlessly again. there is definitely some major bugs in the latest weekly build

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meteor-1500:

hi all

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meteor-1500:

anyone know if there's a way to add online video streams to mythtv?

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meteor-1500:

i want to set it up so i can easily access and record nasa tv

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meteor-1500:

same as for a real tv channel

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Dagmar:

You can *try* the MythStream plugin

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Dagmar:

...but it's not going to do what you're talking about. Nothing will.

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meteor-1500:

hrmm ok

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DustyBin:

how many bugs are left to resolve before .21 is released?

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cesman:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/milestone/0.21

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DustyBin:

interesting

[09:00:21]

DustyBin:

ive never seen that before

[09:00:38]

DustyBin:

548 / 594

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DustyBin:

not long

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Justin__:

arg, ive got my frontend talking to the backend server (guide data is there, recordings listed, etc) but when I try to play a recording or watch live tv, the screen just refreshes and nothing happens

[09:02:27]

Justin__:

everything works on the main backend/frontend

[09:02:46]

Justin__:

could this be because the laptop im trying to use as a second front end is too slow?

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DustyBin:

i can see justinh name in the theme section :P

[09:03:40]

cesman:

Justin__: you need to take a look at the logs on the frontend

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cesman:

or start mythfrontend from and xterm

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cesman:

you can then <alt><tab> to see why it is failing

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DustyBin:

its good to see that mythzoneminder is a offical plug in :D

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Justin__:

thanks cesman

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Justin__:

i see i am getting connection timed out when it attempts to change from None to WatchingLiveTV

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cesman:

you're welcome

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Justin__:

do i need to open a port in my router?

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Justin__:

ok so it looks like the culprit is my router... doesn't seem to broadcast the hostname

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Justin__:

is there a way i can set a local dns map?

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DustyBin:

ive never seen Justin__ ask so many questions

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Justin__:

this is my first time here

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DustyBin:

oh its not you then lol

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Justin__:

this is my registered nick

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DustyBin:

there is another justin who visits this channel who has a fetish for themes

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Justin__:

ah

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Dagmar:

I'm waiting for questions that make sense

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Justin__:

so am i correct in my conclusion that the the frontend connects to the backend with not just the master backend ip, but also the hostname?

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DustyBin:

Justin__: use ips

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Dagmar:

If you specified where the backend was by hostname, does it have any other choice?

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Justin__:

no, but my routers dhcp sucks and wont broadcast hostnames

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Justin__:

and using IPs it isn't working

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Dagmar:

Nothing broadcasts hostnames except WINS

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Justin__:

well then I'm at a loss

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Dagmar:

If it's not working via IP addresses, you have something else broken

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DustyBin:

Justin__: why dont you use static ips

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Justin__:

thats what I'm doing, and it connects to the backend mysql fine, but when i launch a recording or livetv, the connection times out

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Dagmar:

mythbackend != mysqld

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Dagmar:

REad http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview

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DustyBin:

if i patch up all the remaining bugs on .21 today does that it will be released tomorrow?

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DustyBin:

mean

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Justin__:

in that case it connects to the mysql server fine, but not the backend

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DustyBin:

Justin__: did you put in the same IPs in mythtv setup page

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Justin__:

so i assume my problem is the DBHostName setting on the backend

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DustyBin:

i think you need to put in the sae IP more than once

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DustyBin:

same

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Justin__:

i set Maser Server IP to the same as the front end

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Justin__:

i guess i should change the other

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DustyBin:

in your mythtv setup make sure the IPS are all set the same

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Justin__:

ok

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DustyBin:

check that first

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Justin__:

arg. and to think i just spent over an hour on that

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Justin__:

thank you DustyBin

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DustyBin:

did it work

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Justin__:

yes it did... i had changed the Master Server IP, but not the other IP on the same page

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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Justin__:

doesn't make sense to me there would be seperate fields when they must be the same, but oh well

[10:01:32]

DustyBin:

another annoying thing is that mythtv also listens on 0.0.0.0

[10:01:41]

Justin__:

yay, now i can watch digital cable on my laptop :)

[10:01:44]

Dagmar:

*sigh* they don't need to be the same.

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DustyBin:

you cannot make it listen only on a certain ip

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Justin__:

Dagmar, sorry if I'm frustrating you :( Everyone is a noob at some point in their lives

[10:02:59]

Dagmar:

The Executive Overview page covers all the relevant details.

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DustyBin:

Justin__: Dagmar is a noobie, hasnt been around for long

[10:03:09]

Dagmar:

This is why I *wrote* it.

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Justin__:

i just don't know why i didn't try mythtv earlier... i've been messing around with eyetv on my main machine, when I had a spare computer aching to be used right behind my desk

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Dagmar:

Probably because it's a bitch to setup

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DustyBin:

when will the brainy folk understand that noobies dont like to read :P

[10:04:13]

Dagmar:

That's not our problem.

[10:04:23]

Dagmar:

We can't make 'em psychic.

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Justin__:

in my defense, I've been doing nothing but googling and reading for 5 hours

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Dagmar:

Well, that EO page should speed things up

[10:04:47]

Dagmar:

I think I spent a whole night working on this the first time around.

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Justin__:

too bad i didn't find that EO link earlier, thanks Dagmar

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Dagmar:

It's not linked from anywhere on the site just yet because stuff keeps changing

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Dagmar:

After 0.21 I will probably start linking to it from other places on the wiki

[10:05:52]

Dagmar:

Like, now there supposedly some uPnP stuff involved that should have eliminated a couple of the settings

[10:05:59]

DustyBin:

after .21 is released, what would need to be done to make .22? surely there isnt anything left to do?

[10:06:11]

Dagmar:

People will find stuff to do.

[10:06:22]

MilkBoy:

hehell no software is ever "finished"

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DustyBin:

why not?

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MilkBoy:

err.. s/ll/../

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MilkBoy:

mm.. escape the dots too.. but anyway

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DustyBin:

why cant it just freeze, then just keep on releasing bug fixes until its perfect

[10:07:04]

MilkBoy:

something can always be made a little better

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Dagmar:

Because some stuff is fundamentally broken and has to be refactored

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Dagmar:

...which often reveals other things to be fundamentally broken.

[10:08:08]

MilkBoy:

yup.. seen that at work =D

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DustyBin:

is that why SVN releases of mythtv, some bits work, but then another release, something breaks

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MilkBoy:

"just alittle fix for this one bug and then we are done.. no.. wait.. this is broken.."

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DustyBin:

if that is fixed, it breaks something else

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DustyBin:

what makes coding so complicated?

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Dagmar:

Because some shit is just complex.

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MilkBoy:

mm.. running some random revision from svn now. everything I need seems to work quite OK, so I'm not touching it until 0.21 is out

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Justin__:

like as far as i can tell .21-fixes breaks firewire capture. i had to reinstall .20 to get it working again

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DustyBin:

Netscape R.I.P.

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DustyBin:

that was my first browser i used

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leprasmurf:

hello all. I just migrated to a new mythtv server, and I'm trying to bring my recording schedule with me. does anyone know how I can tell mythtv to recalculate the schedule now that I've imported the old db table?

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runoff:

PVR-150 help was working as /dev/video0...mythtv on ubuntu...now on backend setup "failed to open" when trying to add card...ideas?

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brtab:

Are you sure it didn't get moved to /dev/video1 after a reboot?

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Dagmar:

brtab: Please don't guess.

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Dagmar:

He should *probably* check in with the #Ubuntu people about it, since he's using their official package and it *should* work

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Dagmar:

LIke, more than most things, that _particular_ aspect of it should "just work"

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brtab:

Without all of the information there's no other way.

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Dagmar:

You could always just ask them to be sure /dev/video0 exists.

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directhex:

it remains a question for #ubuntu-mythtv

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Dagmar:

That works, too

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Dagmar:

That aspect of Myth really _should_ work

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Dagmar:

Something in Ubuntu-space had to fail miserably for it not to

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Dagmar:

This isn't just about solving the _one_ user's problem.

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Dagmar:

It's about fixing it at the source so we never see this problem hit anyone again, if at all possible.

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runoff:

new hardware has shown up in restricted drivers Lucent/Agere linmodem control driver...new not enable..a conflict...

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Dagmar:

We're definitely not responsible for your modem.

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runoff:

no modem on system

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Dagmar:

Ah good, problem solved then.

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HEP85:

I have a file permission error with the new mythtv version

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HEP85:

For some reason new recordings are created only with read permissions. So the backend fails with permission denied

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HEP85:

The reason for my problem is: Some files are owned by my user and some by the mythtv user

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cesman:

HEP85: sounds like a permissions issue someplace

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cesman:

HEP85: it would help if you provided details like which distro you are using, etc...

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Dagmar:

He's been starting the backend manually part of the time, instead of letting the system do it like he's supposed to.

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HEP85:

cesman: I just changed permissions for ~/.mythtv to 775 and now it is working

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a1fa:

nwwb

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a1fa:

:P

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Dagmar:

I concur

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HEP85:

Is there an unstable channel?

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HEP85:

My MythVideo thumbnails are broken

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leprasmurf:

hello all. I just migrated to a new mythtv server, and I'm trying to bring my recording schedule with me. does anyone know how I can tell mythtv to recalculate the schedule now that I've imported the old db table?

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leprasmurf:

what tables are involved in the scheduled recordings?

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hnitsuj:

record & program. probably cardinput, videosource & capturecard too

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hnitsuj:

if you just want mythbackend to calculate the scheduling restart it with --resched

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hnitsuj:

aaaaand if no channels / capture cards / video sources have jiggled around you should be ok

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hnitsuj:

might be an idea to check oldrecorded too, incase stuff gets re-recorded where you don't want it to, or indeed incase recordings are missed because myth thinks you have them already ;)

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leprasmurf:

hnitsuj: sorry, on the other screen, start the backend with --resched, I'll try that. thanks!

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HEP85:

I have the version from svn and MythVideo gallery now shows no cursor and the thumbnails are cropped to the lower right part

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mrunagi:

i have a Conexant CX23880 capture card that when i view the feed is scrambled........can anyone help me troubleshoot this?

[17:22:39]

clever:

wtf

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clever:

parts of my build dir are owned by root!

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clever:

i cant build!

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clever:

chown away!

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mrunagi:

=(

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hnitsuj:

quoting the lies lspci spits out will seldom get you anywhere useful :)

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hnitsuj:

giving makes/model numbers of cards is generally more use

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directhex:

cx88? dvb?

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hnitsuj:

more than likely a framegrabbing analogue tuner, if it's not a dvb tuner

[17:27:26]

hnitsuj:

but then if the source was encrypted on dvb you'd not see anything

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hnitsuj:

and 'scrambled' can mean a hell of a lot of different things

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directhex:

chances are it's green, due to the nvidia 100.x bug

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directhex:

that's my guess

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directhex:

we'll see once more details emerge whether my stab in the dark hit home

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hnitsuj:

scrambled – fuzzy, upside down, all blocky, colours wrong... I'm a bastard about semantics but to help it's often necessary to have more information

[17:29:03]

hnitsuj:

"help, it no worky!" is fuck all use really

[17:31:06]

hnitsuj:

so – are any of our questions going to be answered in order that help can be given?

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mrunagi:

i can tell that its an actual feed from my camera because if i cover the cam it goes dark

[17:31:35]

mrunagi:

but its a load of horizontal lines flickering at 30fps

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mrunagi:

this is on a fresh kubuntu installation viewing the feed with kopete

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leprasmurf:

hnitsuj: awesome, had to fix a couple ip issues, but mythbackend --resched worked perfectly. Thanks!

[17:32:43]

hnitsuj:

a video camera plugged into a video input on the tuner card, mrunagi ?

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mrunagi:

im not 100% sure this is a tuner because it lacks the beloved block that most tuners have

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hnitsuj:

mrunagi: and we still don't know what kind of tuner card it is, though it seems likely it's just one of those "ACME TV TUNER" PCI cards

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mrunagi:

it has 4 bnc inputs with rca adapters on them with a powered camera plugged in

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hnitsuj:

ahhh

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hnitsuj:

not a tuner card at all then

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hnitsuj:

it's one of those naff CCTV capture cards

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mrunagi:

im trying to set up a security camera server

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hnitsuj:

not with mythtv I hope

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mrunagi:

no, but my experience with mythtv users on video and capture devices has been more fruitful than #kubuntu

[17:35:03]

mrunagi:

before i dive into actual cam server software im hoping to make sure the card will work with kubuntu

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hnitsuj:

if a basic V4L viewer program gives you mush output by the card, then maybe it's not working properly

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mrunagi:

any suggestions on how i might go about fixing it?

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hnitsuj:

could just be you've not selected the right video standard for the kind of camera connected to the card

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hnitsuj:

USA/Japan uses NTSC. Rest of the world is generally PAL

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mrunagi:

thats what i thought as well because it defaults to pal

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mrunagi:

when i changed it to ntsc i had no change

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hnitsuj:

some linux tv apps have to be restarted when you change the video standard

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mrunagi:

i shall give that a try

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hnitsuj:

though they usually tell you a restart is needed when you make the change

[17:36:52]

rockhound:

hi everyone ... can someone help me debug a pretty high load average on idle

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hnitsuj:

if there's a high load average your machine ain't idle :P

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rockhound:

please?

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rockhound:

yeah that is what I expected aswell ...

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hnitsuj:

rockhound: doing any commercial flagging? any transcoding? hmm?

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hnitsuj:

just because you think it's not doing anything, doesn't mean it's not doing anything

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rockhound:

top – 18:38:04 up 5:15, 3 users, load average: 0.71, 0.70, 0.70

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rockhound:

Tasks: 150 total, 1 running, 149 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie

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rockhound:

Cpu(s): 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni,100.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st

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hnitsuj:

I promise I won't laugh

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hnitsuj:

if it's 100% idle, it's spending 0% of its time doing anything else

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rockhound:

and so?

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mrunagi:

every time i restart kopete it reverts back to pal

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rockhound:

the thing is, this is on a core2 quad ...

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hnitsuj:

rockhound: if you sit around doing nothing, are you doing nothing, or are you doing some things. if you spend 100% of your time doing precisely nothing, what are you doing?

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rockhound:

what are you trying to get at?

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hnitsuj:

rockhound: it means it's doing absolutely NOTHING. 100% idle means it's not doing anything at all

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rockhound:

yes ... so why is it on a load average of 0.71?

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hnitsuj:

that's an average taken over a period of time

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rockhound:

oh please ...

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rockhound:

it is always like that and that is what I am trying to figure out

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directhex:

rockhound, use a different mythtv theme

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mrunagi:

wow

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mrunagi:

attitude

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hnitsuj:

is the machine sluggish & underperforming? if not don't worry about it

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rockhound:

directhex: you are kidding?

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directhex:

rockhound, would i lie?

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rockhound:

directhex: ;) will trz

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rockhound:

argh

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rockhound:

try

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directhex:

i have better things to do on a saturday than make up solutions. for one thing, the wife's given me permission to put her hair in bunches

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rockhound:

hehe

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hnitsuj:

seriously though, you need to man top

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hnitsuj:

but then that doesn't explain the load averages too well either. best not to care IMHO

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rockhound:

hnitsuj: I know what a load is ... and idle, just have never seen the one on 100% and the other above 0 at the same time ... guess I need to spend more on linux to know what I am talking about

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hnitsuj:

not caring takes the least effort

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rockhound:

hnitsuj: ;) did that for half a year ... it still bugs me

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hnitsuj:

the mythtv scheduler can cause brief CPU usage spikes due to mysql transactions but they're never usually for too long

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hnitsuj:

my spare machine running trunk eats 50% CPU sometimes even when it's not doing anything. puny 800Mhz AMD shite – using EIT with its DVB tuner

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rockhound:

if I end, mythfrontend ... nothing changes ... so this is all OT ... ups

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clever:

rockhound: the loadavg is the avg over 1 5 and 15mins

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clever:

rockhound: the %'s are since you last refreshed top

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rockhound:

yes I know

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hnitsuj:

clever: pfft. don't tell people stuff man tells em

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clever:

if you refresh top more then once every 60 sec then it will show more detail

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clever:

and may not catch the activity for the loadavg

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rockhound:

but this system is 100% not doing anything for the last hour

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clever:

hit s in top

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clever:

and set it for 300 seconds

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rockhound:

I have top refreshing every 5 seconds

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clever:

thats half your problem:P

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rockhound:

ok

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clever:

it may have 200% cpu usage

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clever:

for 2 seconds

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rockhound:

ah

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clever:

and then you refresh 5 later and it doesnt show!

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rockhound:

will see what it says in 5 mins

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rockhound:

i would just like to know what is causing the load ... thats all

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rockhound:

but not mythtv related at all

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clever:

73% of my load is to sha1_collisionsearch_graz_5....

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clever:

top – 11:50:16 up 7 days, 10 min, 14 users, load average: 4.21, 3.83, 3.46

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clever:

Tasks: 184 total, 3 running, 181 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie

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clever:

Cpu(s): 33.8% us, 11.9% sy, 42.1% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 1.6% hi, 10.5% si

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rockhound:

but you have cpu usage ... maybe I just don't get it

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hnitsuj:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=top+load+average

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rockhound:

hnitsuj: as I said, I know what load is

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rockhound:

I will rtfm again

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hnitsuj:

like I said the man pages more or less dance around the issue & don't explain it very well

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hnitsuj:

according to one page I found (didn't care enough to look before)... "They are exponentially-damped moving averages"

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directhex:

according to most references i've read, even the coreutils developers don't really understand what loadavg actually is

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directhex:

it's just a magic number that shouldn't exceed 1 per core

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rockhound:

directhex: that is what I have read in the past aswell ...

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hnitsuj:

and clever's more than exceed that because... well, his boxes are all doing (or rather trying to do) way too much :)

[18:02:04]

directhex:

well, so do mine

[18:02:21]

directhex:

folding@home runs 4 threads with massively backgroundy nice leve;l

[18:03:16]

** hnitsuj resolves to have some good luck next week **

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hnitsuj:

had to endure a fecking horrible phone interview from the insurance company today. bastards. guilty til proven innocent indeed

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directhex:

hnitsuj, you stole your own car!

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directhex:

last time i made an insurance claim it was denied until i threatened their staff with physical violence. the dangers of having your hq a train ride away from your client...

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ben:

hey there, afaik – there's no support to play blu-ray disks, is there support planned?

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directhex:

ben, there's no way to directly play back the discs, currently, on linux. it's possible to rip then play

[18:16:42]

directhex:

i suggest MOAR MHZ though. regardless of what you have, MOAR MHZ

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ben:

:-)

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hnitsuj:

directhex: ahh yeah now I remember. I planned the whole thing, because I want a new car, new laptop & everything else I made up on the claim. Obviously – I mean anybody else would :-\

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hnitsuj:

I wasn't saying this during the week but now I'm praying for it being found burnt out somewhere

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leprasmurf:

hey all, quick question. is this possible. hauppauge 150, coax input = cable, a/v input = vcr; switch between coax and a/v for recording

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lynchmv:

leprasmurf: i do that with a different type card

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leprasmurf:

lynchmv: how do you switch between inputs?

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leprasmurf:

lynchmv: are both inputs on the same card?

[18:27:19]

lynchmv:

yes, both inputs on the same card

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lynchmv:

coax has a cable tv lineup associated with it, a/v has a satellite tv lineup associated with it

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lynchmv:

so channels don't overlap

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leprasmurf:

so are you able to just go from one channel to the next (e.g., channel up at coax imit)?

[18:29:31]

lynchmv:

yes

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lynchmv:

coax has from 4–65 and a/v has 100+

[18:30:02]

lynchmv:

so for live tv, just enter a number and it goes

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lynchmv:

for recording, it just goes

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lynchmv:

i think i misunderstood your 2nd part, when channeling up on coat, it loops back to ch 4 after 65

[18:31:05]

lynchmv:

coax*

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lynchmv:

if you enter in channel number, it goes directly to the channel

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leprasmurf:

ok, let me try again. I have a digital set top box, and want to be able to use mythtv with the ppv

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leprasmurf:

I've got standard cable plugged into my coax input

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lynchmv:

same here

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leprasmurf:

this is the cable that comes into my house, before the digital cable box

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leprasmurf:

my card only has 1 coax, one a/v and one svideo

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leprasmurf:

I'd love to be able to leave the cable plugged into the coax, and be able to use it like I have been. I'd like to be able to output from my set top box to the av and record as desired similar to a vcr or something

[18:35:48]

lynchmv:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Lynchmv

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lynchmv:

theres my setup, im using the compro card just as you described

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leprasmurf:

ok...are you able to control the set top box channels from your mythbox (with the ir blaster right?)

[18:39:35]

lynchmv:

correct

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lynchmv:

it all sits in a closet, out of sight, out of mind

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leprasmurf:

so if I set my set top box to a specific channel, I have to tune to that channel specifically

[18:40:53]

leprasmurf:

basically, I don't have an IR blaster

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leprasmurf:

so I'm trying to do it manually

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lynchmv:

i believe you're correct, it'd be a manual process

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lynchmv:

but if the stb is on channel 105, myth could tell you its on channel 110 but display whats on 105

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lynchmv:

(ive dont it inadvertantly before)

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lynchmv:

done*

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leprasmurf:

I must have a misconfiguration somewhere...set as described and the mythtv channel refused to change to it

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lynchmv:

2 video sources set up? one with regular cable channels and one with premium channels?

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lynchmv:

associate regluar video source to coax, associate premium video source to a/v

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leprasmurf:

wonder if the cablebox is giving preference to the coax (which is my secondary to the tv in case my mythbox fails)

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lynchmv:

(in mythtv-setup)

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lynchmv:

now, you're not passing through the cable box for coax input, are you?

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lynchmv:

b/c there, whatevers on coax will be on a/v

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leprasmurf:

I've had the stb setup and connected to the tv as a secondary input. this way if myth failed, we could switch back and bypass

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leprasmurf:

do I have to disconnect it from the secondary input on the tv for it to work with a/v is what I'm wondering

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lynchmv:

i wouldn't think so

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lynchmv:

but im not positive

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macogw:

Error: DVDPerfectThread read failed for 228 blocks at 1306344 <-- I keep getting that on a few vobs per DVD. The disk isn't scratched, and this DVD drive was just replaced last week (worked fine when I ripped The Princess Bride last night, but it's not finishing Rocky Horror)... I saw a mailing list post where they said libdvdcss 1.2.8 fixed those problems so upgrade to it from 1.2.5, but I'm using 1.2.9. What else could be causing it?

[19:19:46]

Dagmar:

Cheesy copy protection

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macogw:

But I got 5 out of 7 vobs on this disk

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macogw:

#'s 1 & 6 won't rip though

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macogw:

wouldn't DMCA/MPAA/CSS crap mess up everything?

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Dagmar:

You sure those two are meant to be read at all?

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Dagmar:

Companies do some really annoying things to cause grief for people trying to rip a disc

[19:21:59]

Dagmar:

There's nothing really keeping them from putting all sorts of bad data on the discs and just not making any _menu_ item that indexes them

[19:22:38]

Dagmar:

Might be useful to google for

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Dagmar:

"DVDPerfectThread read failed"

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Anduin:

A scratch and arcoss will look the same

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Dagmar:

"arcoss"?

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macogw:

well #2 isnt the intro of the movie

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Anduin:

Dagmar: ARcoSS

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Dagmar:

If you're expecting each chapter mark to be it's own VOB file, no

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Dagmar:

Anduin: Ah, I googled.

[19:24:27]

Dagmar:

I see what you're talking about now.

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macogw:

but #1 should be the beginning then #2 would come after it, right?

[19:24:37]

Dagmar:

Yes, this would be one of the lame anti-copy measures I was talking about

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Dagmar:

I've not spent much time digging into them on DVDs but jesus I've been breaking these things for 15 years now. There's only so many things manufacturers can pull. Heh

[19:25:31]

Dagmar:

"Each of these movies are protected with Sony's Arccos protection. It's not really a protection at all, just creative authoring of the DVD. They put bad sectors on the DVD and provide information in the IFO files (navigational files) for the DVD player to skip over them."

[19:26:08]

Dagmar:

Just googling for arcoss brings up all sorts of things we're not going to talk about in here.. Hheh

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Anduin:

Exactly, or work around in mtd

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Dagmar:

It would just need to pay attention to the programmed stuff in the ifos

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Dagmar:

...instead of just ripping like a flat file

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Anduin:

More attention, only the iso copy is really a bit copy.

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macogw:

hmm arcoss is sony you said right? the disk is fox

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macogw:

so is the rocky horror disk

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Dagmar:

No, no. I meant ifo. According to what I just dug up the only thing they're doing is putting granular data in the playback info (IFO data) that basically says "segment 2 is vob 3 from 00:00 to 34:00 and 34:01 to 79:43" instead of just "segment 2 is vob 3 all"

[19:30:28]

Dagmar:

Last I looked, everyone was still kind of trying to copy the VOBs verbatim

[19:30:45]

Dagmar:

...jsut "assuming" that there'd be no discontigous segments.

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macogw:

oh ok

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macogw:

so thats probably whats happening then?

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Dagmar:

Pretty much

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macogw:

:-/

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macogw:

libdvdcss people need to figure a way around that

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Dagmar:

It's a somewhat obvious trick that breaks most of the existing rippers for Windows

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Dagmar:

No, those are geniunely bogus sectors on the disk.

[19:32:26]

Dagmar:

When you play the thing in a player, the IFO file tells the player that the video is everything _but_ that segment.

[19:32:35]

Dagmar:

...so the player never tries to read the bogus sectors.

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Dagmar:

Ripping the VOB from end to end assumes that the allocation of the data on the disc is exactly as the VOB specifies

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Dagmar:

...and I should probably stop now because while this is obvious as hell to me, it's likely to be someone's patented s**t

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Dagmar:

For a lot of geeks who bought commodore64's, half the fun in new games was cracking them, even if we never actually bothered to copy them

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Dagmar:

There's only so much that can be done to really prevent ripping of DVD or CD, and it's all in "known" space, just because of the way those devices work

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Dagmar:

This isn't like an SDcard, where there's a region on the thing that you simply can NOT access unless you can pass a key handshake with the controller on the memory card, requiring a key that NO ONE has

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Dagmar:

You only need the key from libdvdcss to decrypt the data. If it's lack prevented you from accessing the disc _at all_ at the hardware level, it would be a real bitch

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blackace:

I'm looking to run a dual TV, dual tuner mythtv setup, but I'm having trouble finding anyone who has done it, is there a reason for that or is it just so easy there's no point documenting it?

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benc_:

tuners in one computer or two?

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blackace:

benc_: one

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benc_:

two frontends is easy. for tuners in separate computers, then also two backends.

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benc_:

here have several frontends and just one backend with several tuners.

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benc_:

have backend and frontend running on one computer. then to add extra frontends, just install frontend and point its config to the backend on other computer.

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blackace:

benc_: right, both frontends would be on the same box as well

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benc_:

so if you can get it working good on just one computer, then adding another shouldn't be too hard.

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benc_:

oh? all on one computer with two tv-out cards?

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blackace:

right, essentially I'm trying to recreate my dish dual tuner DVR, except with mythtv fed by two DCT2000's through bt878 cards

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blackace:

TV out will be handled by two nvidia fx5200's

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benc_:

hm. ok. not sure how the graphics driver setup would work for that, but assuming you might run two xservers. one for each card.

[20:02:14]

benc_:

or maybe it's possible to run one xserver using both cards and then have two mapped screens.

[20:02:50]

blackace:

benc_: yeah, I'm thinking two xservers, one frontend in each

[20:03:01]

benc_:

but after you get both screens working. should just be able to run two instances of mythfrontend.

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blackace:

benc_: how would you handle two remotes in that kind of setup though?

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directhex:

it would have issues

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directhex:

mythtv stores a LOT of settings on a per-hostname setup

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benc_:

would probably run them as two separate users. would want separate configs.

[20:04:47]

directhex:

benc_, nope. doesn't use users. uses the database, and in the database, things are per-hostname

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benc_:

like on mine I have just one mythtv user. and it looks in ~/.mythtv/ for settings. mostly the mysql.txt file.

[20:05:28]

blackace:

directhex: can you specify a different database for the frontend than the backend, or does the frontend need to access the backend's database?

[20:05:30]

benc_:

you can override the frontend id. think setting is in the mysql.txt file.

[20:05:52]

benc_:

pretty sure all frontends and backends have to have full access to a single db.

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blackace:

eww :)

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leprasmurf:

is there a way to prevent mythtv from recording from a specific input connector?

[20:07:26]

directhex:

blackace, the database is the single point of contact for all devices on a mythtv network

[20:07:46]

directhex:

blackace, multiple backends or frontends all need the same DB to share *anything*

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directhex:

benc_, that setting in mysql.txt is for specifying the hostname of the computer running mysql – it's not for faking who you are on the network

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benc_:

in my mysql.txt files, I have an entry like LocalHostName=cobalt. all the db entries for it show up under id cobalt, not the actual ip address.

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benc_:

so if I wanted I could change the frontend IP or even relocate the config to another conputer.

[20:12:17]

benc_:

should follow that could run two separate configs on same computer as long as it used different config files.

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directhex:

oh, hm. interesting

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directhex:

still not sure when you'd want 2 TVs in 1 room connected to the same set-top box, but nevermind

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blackace:

directhex: well, I don't, I have 2 TVs in separate rooms, one connects to DVR using component/IR remote, one using coax/RF remote

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directhex:

how positively frankenstinian

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blackace:

directhex: frustrating thing is, the dish DVR handles it perfectly...except for being completely retarded when it comes to actual DVR functionality, like recording, timeshifting, etc. that is... ;)

[20:16:08]

blackace:

anyways, I have the IR remote that came with my case, and I can get an ati tv wonder II to replace the RF remote

[20:16:24]

blackace:

and I can get TV out over coax using a balun

[20:17:31]

blackace:

so what's left is running two frontends, one remote for each, and getting stereo audio capture working since the bt878s are mono only

[20:18:18]

blackace:

the audio part constitutes a major wrinkle for me...I don't understand how mythtv associates video and audio capture devices

[20:18:52]

blackace:

it seems like everyone who's ever written a mythtv howto just uses a straight cable or off-air tuner

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directhex:

in the case of antique devices like framegrabbers, you can define it somewhere in the backend i think. not sure. analog frightens me down to my digital soul

[20:19:30]

directhex:

most bt8x8 devices force you to use loopback into a line-in rather than diect capture

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blackace:

well, I'd love to go digital, but I didn't get the impression it was possible with a DCT2000 and digital cable :)

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CCFL_Man2:

blackace: ewww, digital cable

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CCFL_Man2:

high priced and compressed to crap

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blackace:

CCFL_Man2: besides digital cable and satellite, what is there?

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** hnitsuj is half expecting somebody here to burst into a verse or ten of 'Agadoo' :P **

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blackace:

<-- completely open to suggestions :)

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CCFL_Man2:

blackace: c band satellite

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directhex:

hnitsuj, pineapple is a poor means of digital tv transmission

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hnitsuj:

directhex: even if you push the pineapple & grind coffee?

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directhex:

hnitsuj, yes!

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blackace:

CCFL_Man2: but wouldn't get discovery channel, tlc, cartoon network, etc., right?

[20:26:14]

directhex:

pineapple has terrible SNR

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CCFL_Man2:

blackace: yes, thats where they originate from

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blackace:

CCFL_Man2: so why isn't everyone doing that?

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blackace:

there must be a catch :)

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Cackette:

What are the difference between the Record Profiles: "Default, Live TV, High Quality, Low Quality"?

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benc_:

think for c-band you need a 2+ meter dish, some expensive receiver equipment, and for many channels a subscription and decrypter box.

[20:33:36]

benc_:

and different tv streams are on different satellites, so the dish has to be able to move.

[20:33:58]

Cackette:

wait, how do i get mythfilldatabase to run on a daily basis

[20:34:05]

Cackette:

it says its last fill was the 27th

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benc_:

c-band sounded interesting. could get foreign language tv from all over.

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Anduin:

Cackette: There is a setting in the frontend

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Cackette:

any idea under what

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CCFL_Man2:

blackace: because c band dishes need to be 6 ft or more, require your own installation, can be difficult to install, and the receiver can be difficult to use

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Anduin:

Cackette: General page seven

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xand:

hmm "There's guide data until 2033-07–30 02:27 (9282 days)." ORLY

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Cackette:

thanks Anduin

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directhex:

xand, can we stick a "wtf" filter into the EIT parser? if the date of something is >2 years into the future, bin it?

[20:43:13]

xand:

:)

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** xand wonders why xmltv RT thingy has failed **

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xand:

er, mythfilldatabase

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xand:

ah, unicode fail?

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xand:

grr

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xand:

why convert the ~ separated data to xml anyway?

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directhex:

so it's xml and can be parsed by xml-reading apps

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directhex:

otherwise, every app would need explicit support for every grabber's custom format

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** xand feels a hacky fix coming on **

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xand:

have xmltv.radiotimes.com point to a local machine, where I have something that downloads and "fixes" the RT files :|

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directhex:

hax!

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xand:

oh dear, viewing the .dat file killed firefox somehow

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leprasmurf:

ok, so I'm trying to use multiple input connectors. one for set top box sans ir blaster, and one straight cable

[20:54:13]

leprasmurf:

the straight cable works fine, but I'm having issues tuning into the higher level channels with the stb

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leprasmurf:

it won't switch to the higher level channels that should be utilizing the stb, any advice

[20:55:01]

leprasmurf:

?

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mrunagi:

anyone know where i might get drivers for a geovision dvr capture card?

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blackace:

mrunagi: depends on what chipset the card uses...some older geovision cards have bt878 chipsets

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Lars-UT:

mplayer plays sound from the command prompt but not in from MythTV – any ideas?

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mrunagi:

cx23880?

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Lars-UT:

optical out from M2NPV-VM

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mrunagi:

cx23880 is the chipset isnt it blackace

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blackace:

mrunagi: no idea, I don't have one

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Lars-UT:

checking...

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mrunagi:

didnt know if you might recognize that number

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blackace:

mrunagi: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Cx88 . . . 28cx2388x%29

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xand:

thanks RT for removing the directory index

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mrunagi:

modprobe cx88-dvb returns no such device.....what does that mean

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robbins61:

What's the name of to movie where the lady straps her husband to the bed then puts that piece of wood between his feet. Then she hits his feet with a sledgehammer?

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Anduin:

robbins61: appropriately, Misery

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robbins61:

thanks

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Anduin:

There is a new commercial I've seen while skipping

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Anduin:

(with that scene)

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xand:

except, it's not her husband :P

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xand:

he's a guy who was injured in a car crash iirc

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Anduin:

Yes, that is true, I don't know of one where he is her husband, not too many movies with hobbling scenes.

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xand:

excellent, 8 lines of php and a /etc/hosts entry later, mythfilldatabase is happy c.c

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directhex:

xand, hacktastic

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WattoDaTo:

Does anyone here know anything about building the windows port using the perl script?

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: You around ?

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iamlindoro_:

HEy, yeah

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GreyFoxx:

You have any .vob files that exhibit the problem of always showing the end of the stream as the current position (or only do it after you seek back to the start?)

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iamlindoro_:

Sure

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iamlindoro_:

I can dd you 50 MB or so if you'd like to try one

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GreyFoxx:

Nah, was gonna get you to test a simple fix :)

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iamlindoro_:

Sure, hit me with it

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GreyFoxx:

another instance of libav not returning dts currectly

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iamlindoro_:

ahhh, so basically same type of problem

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GreyFoxx:

same idea

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iamlindoro_:

Yup, just send it my way when ready and I'll apply now

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GreyFoxx:

my auto seek to frame 0 fix to fix the problem of starting several seconds into a video made it worse :)

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, any more ideas on that one?

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, you're becoming a regular libavcodec guru... next thing you know you'll be fixing firewire mythtranscode <hopeful expression> ;)

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WattoDaTo:

I am trying the windows port using the perl script and it is failing to compile the qt file libqsqlmysql.dll. Does anyone have any ideas?

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** iamlindoro_ imagines there are a number of healthily sarcastic ideas re: the Windows port **

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directhex:

isn't libqsqlmysql.dll part of qt, i.e. a qt issue not a myth issue?

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iamlindoro_:

I think someone has actually put a fair bit of time into the Myth-for-Win wii page, might be a good place to start

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iamlindoro_:

and if the info is not there, you can add it to the wiki :)

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WattoDaTo:

correct but I had to patch the /mingw/include/mysql.h file which is susept is causing this. However I have no clue what's going wrong with it

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WattoDaTo:

iamlindoro_ Yeah I'm reading it but it has no solution for this

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rooaus:

WattoDaTo: Have you seen the discussion here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/306961#306961 ?

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WattoDaTo:

rooaus: Actually the problem is QT is failing to compile libqsqlmysql.dll

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rooaus:

np, i just searched my gmail. That thread was the only one with libqsqlmysql.dll in it.

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WattoDaTo:

Ok thanks anyway

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joobie:

Guys, im having problems hooking up my apple wireless keyboard to linux.. can anyone help? It has a bluetooth connection. I try hctool scan and it comes up, then i try hidd --search or hidd --connect <id> and it says connection refused

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directhex:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224673

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joobie:

directhex, thanks man.. I tried that already though. I think my version doesnt recognize the auth and encrypt options

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joobie:

when i reload bluetooth it ends up saying unrecognized options.. im running centos

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directhex:

no idea then

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joobie:

kk.. cheers directhex

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Cackette:

is a signal strength of 84%-87% good enough for QAM?

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WattoDaTo:

Cackette: Yes, you also have to look at the signal quatity and make sure that is up there as well

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Cackette:

what should the number be for quality

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Cackette:

to be decent

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WattoDaTo:

Are you looking at SNR or are you using a HdHomeRun?

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Cackette:

i have a pcHDTV 5500

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WattoDaTo:

So how are you seeing the quality? Through mythfrontend/mythtvsetup/etc?

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Cackette:

thru the frontend

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WattoDaTo:

Ah, I don't recall the frontend showing it and I think it was removed at one point. I think you can use dtvscan to see the SNR.

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Viaken:

If I run mythtranscode by hand, what format does it transcode to?

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Viaken:

I have an mpeg2 file that's 2 gig for 45 minutes. I'd like to cut it down a bit if possible. lol

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WattoDaTo:

I think you have to tell it what format to use

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directhex:

and settings to use

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directhex:

try "mythtranscode --help"

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Captain_Murdoch:

Viaken: it generates a .nuv (nuppelvideo container format) file with mpeg-4 video and mp3 audio by default. you can do a 'lossless' mpeg-2 transcode but that is mainly meant for cutting commercials, not saving lots of space by reencoding to a tighter compression format.

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Viaken:

So, I need to mythcommflag first?

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Viaken:

Can it handle inputs other than mpeg2, too?

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Captain_Murdoch:

depends on what you want to do. do you just want to cut out commercials or do you want to save more space by recompressing the video or changing the resolution.

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Captain_Murdoch:

inputs can be myth's .nuv files or mpg files. it possibly could work on other formats, but isn't supported.

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Viaken:

Fair enough

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ThunderGod:

Say, is an AMD 2200 adequate for Myth TV? It's pre-SSE3 extensions

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Viaken:

I'd like to cut commercials and recompress it, so... :)

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** Viaken is using an 900mhz Celeron. lol **

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WattoDaTo:

ThunderGod: If your not using HD then yes

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Viaken:

Hardware encoder, and it won't play DVDs, but...

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Captain_Murdoch:

recompressing can only generate a .nuv file right now. that's playable in myth and some versions of mplayer.

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ThunderGod:

Cool. HD would be nice, but I can live with standard def.

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Viaken:

Captain_Murdoch: Don't much mind about the output format, as long as it'll play in the frontend.

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Viaken:

Thanks for all the help. :)

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WattoDaTo:

ThunderGod: It would work with HD but then you would have to use XvMC which can be tricky and it only works with Nvidia

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ThunderGod:

I upgraded one of my computers and would hate to see this MB/CPU/RAM go to waste. Got some P3 Dell's that I can gut and replace with this.

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Captain_Murdoch:

Viaken: just go into the recording profiles screen and setup the MPEG4 transcode profile. then setup your commercials in a cutlist (run commercial flagging and import the flagging list by using 'Z' in the editor, or just manually mark them). once you have a cutlist, then you can use the menu on the watch recordings screen to start a transcode job for the recording.

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Captain_Murdoch:

actually, you need to setup the profile depending on your input file type.

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ThunderGod:

honestly, I only get about 7 HDTV channels on my cable network so it's really not relevant. I'm more interested in being able to play torrents on the 55" rather than my computer monitor

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** Captain_Murdoch is afk **

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directhex:

hd is only mpeg2 only for low-quality hd (e.g. us cable)

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ThunderGod:

and i'd like to be able to record two things at once (when tivo is busy)

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ThunderGod:

But really, I just don't want to waste the MB or have to go through the hassle of selling it

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WattoDaTo:

ThunderGod: Suit yourself, I recieve HDTV OTA and use XvMC to play it on a 27" CRT TV

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ThunderGod:

WattoDaTo, I might play with that down the road and will keep it in mind. The video card I'll be using is NVidia based

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** sphery didn't waste his CPU/RAM/Motherboard and ended up replacing all those pieces as they failed at a cost of more than 2x the cost of just buying a new system... **

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sphery:

Not to mention the lost recordings...

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sphery:

(and a year of pain)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Completely feel that pain-- lost my MythVideo array earlier this year

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ThunderGod:

All three failed? Were keeping i next tothe bathtub?

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iamlindoro_:

erm, guess it was late last year actually

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WattoDaTo:

That really sux, you might want to invest in a mythbackend server running raid

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sphery:

No. They just got old, heat strain, etc.

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sphery:

Plus a POS chipset on the MB

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ThunderGod:

damn, I've found most hardware is pretty reliable once it's working

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iamlindoro_:

Learned my lesson about LVM and anything you care about, though ;)

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Viaken:

LVM irrecoverable?

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sphery:

a high-performance chipset that was before the vendor learned how to design /stable/ high-performance chipsets

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Viaken:

(Is that even a word? lol)

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ThunderGod:

yea

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ThunderGod:

ouch

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directhex:

there's a reason i have monitoring software which will inform me of raid issues

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directhex:

unfortunately, i have no way to identify which disk is which, in the event of a failure.. :x

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WattoDaTo:

LOL

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iamlindoro_:

yup, rebuilt with RAID 6, have it set up to mail me... can't say I didn't learn some stuff out of the whole experience, that's for sure

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Viaken:

mdraid?

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directhex:

iamlindoro, want my best system management tip?

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iamlindoro_:

sure

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sphery:

I do!

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** Viaken does **

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ThunderGod:

shoot

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sphery:

the suspense is killing me

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directhex:

iamlindoro, put the monitor/keyboard/mouse thing on the ups!

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directhex:

and the kvm too

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: Hehe

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Viaken:

And judicious use of backups?

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directhex:

that was an education

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directhex:

i learn acpi poweroff sometimes works on servers with old kernels!

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directhex:

but "jab off button and pray" is not a good way to ensure clean shutdown during total power failure

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ThunderGod:

I've got two UPS's in my office for that reason. both have the sockets fully loaded

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sphery:

I have an unusual situation where my network is 10x more reliable since I unplugged all my UPS's.

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ThunderGod:

Speaking of offices, I need to clean this shithole.

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sphery:

It does mean any power blink takes it down (and not nicely), but it comes back on its own--without my having to hit a reset/fusebutton on an UPS or cycle the UPS power or something.

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** sphery loves journalling filesystems **

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directhex:

me too, except jfs

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sphery:

agreed

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directhex:

jfs is a disater wrapped in an epic failure wrapped in a kernel module

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Viaken:

lol..as I've learned.

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Viaken:

I lost all of /usr/lib one time.

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Viaken:

That was fun.

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sphery:

but it's got a very descriptive name--like calling a Windowing environment "Windows" or an office productivity suite "Office"--so it has 2 things in common with MS products :)

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WattoDaTo:

Have you guys seen this? http://www.lime-technology.com/ It's a linux based new kinda raid that looks good

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directhex:

i lost /data/MythTV and / on my myth machine, and /etc at work, to jfs

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directhex:

i knew i should have trusted sgi before ibm

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Viaken:

I've heard horror stories about XFS, too, but I've never had any problem from it...

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EnderTheThird:

Guess the .21 release didn't quite meet up with the February release "announcement" :)

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EnderTheThird:

Viaken: XFS works like a champ for me.

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EnderTheThird:

Though apparently it's not so nice if you want to modify the partiton table, can't be resized or some such. But if you have a dedicated HDD for recordings, it's perfect.

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WattoDaTo:

What you guys think about ReiserFS?

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directhex:

EnderTheThird, feature freeze was announced

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directhex:

WattoDaTo, a surefire way to be brutally murdered

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Viaken:

EnderTheThird: It can be grown while mounted.

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directhex:

EnderTheThird, can't shrink xfs

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Viaken:

Yeah, that. ^

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directhex:

live defrag, live grow, no shrink

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hnitsuj:

EnderTheThird: it was never announced that 0.21 would be released at the end of February. Still hasn't been anounced officially that 0.21 is on its way. People still believe what they see on mythtvnews.com eh?

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Dibblah:

Feature freeze was muttered, not announced.

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EnderTheThird:

hnitsuj: meh, not sure if people believe it or not. i was saying it sarcastically. as long as they have the new Mythweb interface for Mythbuntu 8.04, I'll be happy. SVN can be a pain for me sometimes.

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directhex:

EnderTheThird, they do. hardy has 0.21-fixes

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hnitsuj:

well, regardless. people shouldn't believe what goes up on there, since most of it is conjecture at best

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EnderTheThird:

directhex: rock on. Now I just need to keep myself from upgrading until it's actually released. I always get so excited once the beta hits, but I'd rather not test it on my MBE

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hnitsuj:

give it til 2–3 weeks after the release :P

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EnderTheThird:

ha

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hnitsuj:

oh me of little faith, I kno

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hnitsuj:

*know

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EnderTheThird:

Problem is that I'm building a computer for my grandma, and I was hoping to put Hardy on there, but I can't wait cause it needs to be put together before next weekend. Damn, so close

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hnitsuj:

I used to be a believer. now I just believe what I see with my own eyes :)

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EnderTheThird:

Unless they have a Grandmabuntu out now... they probably do... do they?

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hnitsuj:

isn't it all grandmabuntu?

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hnitsuj:

"what's that deary? click again, I didn't quite get that"

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EnderTheThird:

Ha, I'll be sure to set it up for no double clicks. She's missing her right index finger anyway, making her try to double click would just be cruel.

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hnitsuj:

get her a mac then. ideal design ;)

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EnderTheThird:

Gnome can be set up for that, right? I know KDE can, but I've never tried on Gnome.

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Viaken:

EnderTheThird: Just setup sshd and fail2ban.

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EnderTheThird:

A little pricy so she can access email and pictures.

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directhex:

yes, gnome can do single-click

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Viaken:

And ddclient

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I'm going to put SSH on there and set her up with dyndns.org so I can do everything I need to from home if something isn't working right.

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hnitsuj:

EnderTheThird: wouldn't run ssh on a standard port if I were you though

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EnderTheThird:

SSH > "click here, now click next. what does it say? ok, now click next again"

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Viaken:

hnitsuj: Hence, fail2ban.

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EnderTheThird:

hnitsuj: good idea, thanks.

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hnitsuj:

whatever the feck fail2bain is

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hnitsuj:

oh shit

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EnderTheThird:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fail2ban I hadn't heard of it either, but it sounds nice

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Viaken:

Blocks IPs when they fail more than X number of logins.

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Viaken:

For Y amount of time

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EnderTheThird:

Viaken: thanks for the heads up. I should toss that on my computer for that matter,heh

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Viaken:

EnderTheThird: sudo sed -e 's/gutsy/hardy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade

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** hnitsuj yawns **

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Viaken:

One line hardy upgrade, when they release it.

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EnderTheThird:

it's in the repo's, can't I just apt-get it?

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Viaken:

Heh..yeah, you can apt-get fail2ban. That was for upgrading to hardy via ssh when it's released.

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EnderTheThird:

I don't like SSH upgrading distros if I'm not there if it doesn't work.

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EnderTheThird:

Especially when the person there is completely computer illiterate :)

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Viaken:

Fair enough

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Viaken:

And probably a good idea

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armbar:

hello

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EnderTheThird:

armbar: hello

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armbar:

I noticed that my normal TV audio sound is around 12 on a 1–100 scale and when mythtv is suppling the sound I have to have the TV volume on 32. I use alsa and the sound is set to max on both alsamixer and kmix in kde. Is this normal?

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jblack:

did you check the recording level for the recording device?

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** iamlindoro hands armbar the "Most Abstract Question" award **

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armbar:

ha

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armbar:

not sure how to explain a question like that but I thought I would give it a shot.

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iamlindoro:

Can you point to a smiley face on this chart to show how happy you are with myth? :-D :-) :-| :-( :'-(

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jblack:

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jblack:

armbar: Nah, Iጎ got you. Myth is quiter than most of your other devices.

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armbar:

iamlindoro the 1st from the left

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iamlindoro:

What would you say the affect is on your day on a scale from 17 to 236?

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Viaken:

:)

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iamlindoro:

;)

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EnderTheThird:

armbar: on a scale from yes to know, is iamlindoro kind of a smartass?

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EnderTheThird:

better yet, on a scale of yes to no

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iamlindoro:

"know"

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jblack:

enderthethird: definitely yes.

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iamlindoro:

"knot at awl"

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armbar:

jblack: I have the same issue when playing a DVD from within mythtv

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EnderTheThird:

I'm a failed grammar nazi. I am ashamed.

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jblack:

armbar: hmm. Then II don't know

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EnderTheThird:

armbar: check the default sound volume Myth's general settings in setup

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EnderTheThird:

and the overall OS volume

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EnderTheThird:

My brother wall-mounted his 42" plasma today. All I could think while lookit at it was how much better off he'd be if he just had an IR receiver in the room and all of his media controlled with Myth in the basement. :-/

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armbar:

EnderTheThird: WoW, I thought I had set the audio to 100 in Myth's general settings... Thanks! That was the issue

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EnderTheThird:

armbar: no problem. I always have to fix that. Just make sure it doesn't hurt your sound quality by jacking it up all the way or anything.

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