| Friday, February 29th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:20] | mikeones_: | all I get is a playlist.m3u that vlc wants to open |
| [00:01:16] | xris: | no, it should just send an m3u |
| [00:01:29] | xris: | never got anyone to write a flash-based player for it |
| [00:01:40] | xris: | I think I may put that forth as a project for summer of code |
| [00:02:00] | mikeones_: | I see |
| [00:02:01] | directhex: | for the size of an mp3, does it matter? |
| [00:02:17] | directhex: | i suppose if you rip at > your dsl upstream, yeah, it does |
| [00:02:28] | directhex: | but honestly, 320k mp3 must die |
| [00:03:35] | Aval0n: | is .21 close to release now? |
| [00:04:37] | directhex: | yes |
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| [00:12:56] | fryfrog: | woo woo |
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| [00:16:02] | squish103: | i remember quickly looking at .21 and didn't see anything major added? |
| [00:16:09] | fryfrog: | er |
| [00:16:12] | squish103: | i guess that is a point release |
| [00:16:19] | fryfrog: | maybe you are thinking of 0.20? |
| [00:16:25] | iamlindoro: | .21 has HUGE changes |
| [00:16:35] | fryfrog: | 0.21 is very big, imho |
| [00:16:50] | iamlindoro: | multirec, mythweb flash streaming, opengl video renderer, tons of new deinterlacers, hundreds of bugfixes, etc. |
| [00:16:51] | fryfrog: | multi-rec branch merged in, right? |
| [00:17:02] | fryfrog: | multiple recordings dirs? |
| [00:17:10] | iamlindoro: | yup, storage groups |
| [00:17:25] | iamlindoro: | huge uPnP improvements... the list goes on |
| [00:17:26] | Aval0n: | mythweb flash streaming has never worked for me |
| [00:17:36] | Aval0n: | do you have to transcode all your videos to flash before you stream or something? |
| [00:17:37] | directhex: | the ogl renderer is lovely |
| [00:17:49] | iamlindoro: | Aval0n: nope, are you running SVN? |
| [00:17:52] | Aval0n: | i always just get a screencap of the recording.. then I hit play and get endless blackness |
| [00:17:53] | iamlindoro: | trunk, that is |
| [00:17:55] | Aval0n: | yeah SVN |
| [00:18:13] | ** directhex thinks Aval0n needs a better ffmpeg ** | |
| [00:18:14] | Aval0n: | and opengl video render causes front end crashes all the time |
| [00:18:16] | iamlindoro: | Aval0n: probably a misconfig or your distro has a bum ffmpeg |
| [00:18:19] | Aval0n: | I had to revert back to xblit |
| [00:18:19] | iamlindoro: | probably the latter |
| [00:18:30] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [00:18:32] | directhex: | sounds like Aval0n's system is bum in general! |
| [00:18:33] | fryfrog: | i switched to the 0.21-fixes branch a few days ago, anyon using that now? |
| [00:18:41] | iamlindoro: | 'cause the ubuntu ffmpeg has no mp3 support and the mythweb streaming requires it |
| [00:18:42] | Aval0n: | I'll concur with directhex |
| [00:18:47] | fryfrog: | opengl didn't work for me, had to switch to xblit too |
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| [00:18:54] | fryfrog: | but took me a *long* time to realize that :p |
| [00:19:01] | Aval0n: | welp i'm ubuntu |
| [00:19:05] | Aval0n: | so you nailed that one the head |
| [00:19:13] | directhex: | medibuntu |
| [00:19:16] | directhex: | has a better ffmpeg |
| [00:19:26] | iamlindoro: | gcc has the best one |
| [00:19:28] | Aval0n: | but I should be using the dev release for .21 |
| [00:20:02] | Aval0n: | fryfrong was opengl crashing your front end randomly? |
| [00:20:10] | squish103: | when i looked at wiki, i guess only one that caught my eye was storage groups |
| [00:20:23] | Aval0n: | I was hoping .21 had so new filters that would help my shitty analog cable look better :) |
| [00:20:31] | Aval0n: | so/some |
| [00:20:38] | squish103: | but with a big ass lvm now it is probably too late for that for me |
| [00:21:01] | fryfrog: | Aval0n: no, i think mostly it was just very skippy |
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| [00:23:07] | elprespufferfish: | can somebody help me figure out why i can't see certain images in mythgallery? |
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| [00:31:00] | elprespufferfish: | how about making it mute when i fast forward? it sounds choppy at 5x |
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| [00:36:38] | Cackette: | When i set a recording, is it recommended to select auto-transcode |
| [00:36:59] | fryfrog: | only if you want to |
| [00:37:07] | fryfrog: | i don't bother, just delete shows after i watch them |
| [00:37:12] | Cackette: | do i need to transcode it to watch it on the tv/ |
| [00:37:15] | fryfrog: | plus, hd space is cheap... cpu time isn't as cheap |
| [00:37:17] | fryfrog: | no |
| [00:37:21] | Cackette: | ok |
| [00:37:26] | fryfrog: | transcode is a space savings thing |
| [00:37:45] | Cackette: | what is like the minimum CPU for setting "CPU Usage" to high |
| [00:37:50] | fryfrog: | mpeg2 -> mpeg4 or maybe the uh, built in myth format -> mpeg4 |
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| [00:38:04] | fryfrog: | what do you mean? |
| [00:38:23] | Cackette: | in the settings |
| [00:38:30] | Cackette: | theres CPU Usage: low, medium, high |
| [00:38:55] | fryfrog: | depends on which settings you mean, but it just keeps the "thread" from bring very important |
| [00:39:02] | fryfrog: | pick low, you'll be fine |
| [00:39:14] | Cackette: | not priority, CPU usage |
| [00:39:17] | fryfrog: | it doesn't artificially slow it down, just makes it less important |
| [00:39:31] | fryfrog: | okay, maybe you could give some details about *where*? |
| [00:39:39] | Cackette: | Job Queue (Host-Specific) |
| [00:39:47] | fryfrog: | nfi, sorry |
| [00:39:50] | Cackette: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . -Specific.29 |
| [00:40:30] | Cackette: | what should be in upcoming recordings |
| [00:40:40] | Cackette: | its empty |
| [00:40:48] | Cackette: | although i have a recording that starts in 20 mins |
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| [00:59:03] | Cackette: | how can i tell if my mythweb is working |
| [00:59:13] | Cackette: | i set it to record something, but the mythbox says no scheduled recordings |
| [00:59:22] | xris: | of mythweb "works" then it works. |
| [00:59:30] | xris: | if it can't talk to the backend, it won't load. |
| [00:59:42] | xris: | scheduler query can take 30–60 seconds to run |
| [00:59:59] | Cackette: | how can i tell if it starts recording |
| [01:00:17] | Cackette: | like do i have to wait until the recording is scheduled to end then look for the recording? |
| [01:00:57] | Cackette: | it should be starting right now |
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| [01:02:47] | Cackette: | There are no shows scheduled for recording. |
| [01:02:53] | Cackette: | Job Queue is currently empty. |
| [01:02:57] | xris: | does the scheduled recording show up in mythweb's "upcoming recordings" list? |
| [01:03:04] | xris: | job queue has nothing to do with the schedule |
| [01:03:08] | Cackette: | nope |
| [01:03:17] | Cackette: | upcoming recordings is empty |
| [01:03:20] | xris: | then it sounds like you didn't set the recording up properly in mythweb |
| [01:03:33] | Cackette: | it shows up in Recording Schedules |
| [01:04:19] | Cackette: | That '70s Show: Can't You Hear Me Knocking 1 57 – FX Networks Inc. (Pacific) Default Autodetect Default Once |
| [01:04:23] | Cackette: | should have started 3 mins ago |
| [01:05:05] | xris: | might not show in upcoming if it's already recording. |
| [01:05:08] | xris: | click on backend status |
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| [01:06:02] | Cackette: | ok |
| [01:06:07] | Cackette: | There are no shows scheduled for recording. |
| [01:07:50] | Cackette: | :-/ |
| [01:08:40] | jamesd: | once again.. there is nothing on TV, how shocking. |
| [01:09:37] | Cackette: | so whats the deal |
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| [01:14:07] | directhex: | Cackette, the show in question is in "upcoming recordings"? |
| [01:14:17] | Cackette: | no |
| [01:14:28] | Cackette: | it only shows up in "Recording Schedules" |
| [01:14:59] | Cackette: | it should have started recording 14mins ago |
| [01:18:13] | Cackette: | ionno what its doing |
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| [01:19:33] | directhex: | click on an instance of a show that's meant to be recorded in the listings page. there should be a line "mythtv status" |
| [01:19:52] | directhex: | e.g. "This episode will be recorded at an earlier time instead." |
| [01:20:04] | directhex: | "This episode was previously recorded and is still available in the list of recordings." |
| [01:20:50] | Cackette: | http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9489/mythwebcr0.jpg |
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| [01:21:54] | directhex: | oh, 0.20 |
| [01:22:05] | directhex: | um... under "backend status", how are your tv cards looking? |
| [01:22:17] | Cackette: | is that a bad thing? |
| [01:22:30] | Cackette: | i dont even see the cards under backened status |
| [01:22:38] | directhex: | ah. that's a clue |
| [01:23:12] | Cackette: | http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6026/mythbackendkv4.jpg |
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| [01:23:59] | directhex: | do you actually have your tv cards configured on the backend? they show up fine in mythtv-setup? |
| [01:27:00] | Cackette: | they were last time i checked |
| [01:27:04] | Cackette: | i'll go take a look again |
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| [01:30:30] | Cackette: | ok wtf |
| [01:30:38] | Cackette: | it got my cards confused on reboot or something |
| [01:31:02] | Cackette: | now we're good |
| [01:31:56] | Cackette: | MythTV Status: |
| [01:31:56] | Cackette: | This showing is being recorded. |
| [01:42:09] | Zombie: | Anyone familiar with the No sound issue on the SAA7134 MSI TV Anywhere? |
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| [01:48:07] | mchou: | Zombie: you've been asking that for DAYS |
| [01:48:32] | mchou: | Zombie: toss that crap in the garbage can already |
| [01:48:59] | mishehu: | or better yet, send it out for recycling |
| [01:49:14] | mchou: | lol, that's what I say :) |
| [01:50:17] | mchou: | I am actually surprise that thing even works for linux |
| [01:50:24] | mchou: | surprised* |
| [01:50:58] | mchou: | I was under the impression that linux supported vey few silicon tuners...... |
| [01:51:03] | mchou: | very* |
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| [02:11:49] | Cackette: | is there any reason that menu transitions lag like crazy (takes ~5 secs to go from Manage Recordings to next menu, etc) |
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| [02:56:51] | DustyBin: | what does one think of this remote? |
| [02:57:00] | DustyBin: | http://www.digitaldirect.co.uk/products_morei . . . uct_id=12752 |
| [02:57:18] | DustyBin: | could 1 remote really be all your remotes? |
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| [02:58:10] | Cackette: | i have that remote |
| [02:58:12] | Cackette: | it kicks serious ass |
| [02:58:21] | DustyBin: | :D |
| [02:59:19] | mchou: | dude, I personally feel a JP1 remote is more than adequate |
| [02:59:51] | mchou: | Harmony remotes are complete overkill |
| [03:00:14] | mchou: | but whatever makes your socks go up and down |
| [03:00:59] | DustyBin: | would somone mind telling the mythtv coders to hurry up and release .21, my feet are itching |
| [03:01:50] | mchou: | DustyBin: you are welcome to d/l trunk |
| [03:02:33] | DustyBin: | id rather wait for the proper release just incase a couple of 1's and 0's are out of sync :P |
| [03:02:57] | amrit|wrk is now known as amrit|afk | |
| [03:02:58] | mchou: | then stop complaining |
| [03:03:09] | DustyBin: | was only joking :( |
| [03:03:11] | mchou: | no testing, no release |
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| [03:04:15] | DustyBin: | i got a set of these speakers at home |
| [03:04:17] | DustyBin: | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Quad-LITE-CHERRY-Cher . . . p/B000WYZABS |
| [03:05:28] | DustyBin: | im going to rip all my CDs into FLAC |
| [03:05:47] | DustyBin: | then rip FLAC > MP3 (lame) for my ipod |
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| [03:35:56] | sn9: | iamlindoro: regarding AnyDVD: http://www.decrypthd.org/wiki/FAQ |
| [03:36:15] | sn9: | iamlindoro__: ^^^^^^^ |
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| [06:03:15] | soulfury: | Can anyone confirm whether or not I have to install certain codecs for .ts playback? I installed the propietary codecs, ubuntu 7.10, so I can play x264, xvid, etc. Mplayer plays the .ts, but it spikes one of the procs and playback is too slow. |
| [06:04:16] | iamlindoro_: | .ts is just a container, it's not a codec at all |
| [06:04:30] | soulfury: | yeah thats why I'm confused |
| [06:04:36] | soulfury: | all the ts content i've seen is mpeg |
| [06:04:48] | iamlindoro_: | .ts can be anything... mpeg-2, h.264, etc. |
| [06:05:07] | iamlindoro_: | far more likely the codecs muxed into that .ts are too much for your system to handle as is |
| [06:05:08] | soulfury: | well the box can play mpeg2 and h.264 |
| [06:05:30] | iamlindoro_: | "can play h.264" doesn't mean anything... crank the bitrate high enough and your machine will choke, guarantee it |
| [06:05:37] | iamlindoro_: | what's the stream? |
| [06:05:48] | soulfury: | A64 x2 4000, 4GB DDR2, geforce 7050pv |
| [06:05:54] | soulfury: | the box can play it. |
| [06:06:02] | iamlindoro_: | What...is... the stream |
| [06:06:08] | soulfury: | this other host with a weaker A64 can play the same 6GB test ts I'm using |
| [06:06:13] | soulfury: | one sec i'll have to look |
| [06:06:22] | iamlindoro_: | fmpeg -i yourfile |
| [06:06:25] | iamlindoro_: | pastebin output |
| [06:06:28] | iamlindoro_: | er ffmpeg |
| [06:06:59] | soulfury: | oh hrm |
| [06:08:35] | soulfury: | http://pastebin.com/m2f404b72 |
| [06:09:34] | iamlindoro_: | So there you go, it's h.264, and high bitrate... very likely you're just using the wrong mplayer arguments, but if those don't help, then your box is too slow |
| [06:09:47] | soulfury: | oh cool |
| [06:09:55] | soulfury: | sounds like that I can work with |
| [06:09:55] | iamlindoro_: | ps, I hate when warez people call that shit 1080p... it's not. |
| [06:10:08] | soulfury: | right theres alot of stuff mislabelled |
| [06:10:14] | soulfury: | alot of ignorance goes on there |
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| [06:10:22] | soulfury: | so I'll just jack with my mplayer string |
| [06:10:44] | soulfury: | this box i'm ircing from is a weaker proc, less ram, slower FSB, and it can play the same file with no probs. |
| [06:10:48] | iamlindoro_: | mplayer is nice and when you play it and it goes **** YOUR SYSTEM IS TOO SLOW TO PLAY THIS **** ... it gives you all the info you need to *try* to get it playing if it's possible |
| [06:11:24] | iamlindoro_: | beyond that, I won't help you play pirated material. |
| [06:11:28] | iamlindoro_: | so good luck, and bye |
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| [07:31:08] | dserban: | ok... so my remote "used" to work.. now I seperated the output that teh two lirc instances output to (or whatever ;) from /dev/lircd to /dev/lircd0 and /dev/lircd1 (for other reasons that I'm sure I don't have to get into).. anyway... where is it that I tell mythtv to use /dev/lircd0 or.. do I _have_ to create a symlink? |
| [07:31:14] | dserban: | in /dev?? |
| [07:31:21] | dserban: | to /dev/lircd ... eh? :) |
| [07:33:51] | dserban: | so ... my ~/.mythtv/lircrc worrked fine and hasn't changed isince it worked :) |
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| [07:43:21] | dserban: | gah it has to be symlinked... retarded |
| [07:43:23] | dserban: | :( |
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| [07:43:38] | Dagmar: | Typically people use udev rules for this. |
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| [08:23:17] | DGnome: | I should fix an udev rule for my remote too.. |
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| [09:03:28] | clever: | i seem to have found a bug in the scheduler |
| [09:03:41] | clever: | i cant mark things past the DST change at dont record |
| [09:04:00] | clever: | feels like half the code is compensating for the upcoming 1h shift and half isnt |
| [09:04:38] | clever: | should be poping up for any1 with dst enabled so i dont seen a urgent need to file a ticket |
| [09:04:42] | clever: | and its 5am here |
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| [11:04:12] | joobie: | hey guys |
| [11:04:15] | joobie: | anyone want to play a game? |
| [11:04:33] | joobie: | it's called – help joobie make his mythtv smooth-scrolling |
| [11:04:56] | hnitsuj: | eh? |
| [11:05:17] | hnitsuj: | smoth news tickers & titles? enable deinterlacing |
| [11:05:40] | hnitsuj: | smooth menus & scrolling GUI items – dig the coding tools out |
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| [11:09:06] | joobie: | hnitsuj, it's like there's some shows that have constant scrolling across the bottom |
| [11:09:09] | joobie: | and those doesnt scroll smooth |
| [11:09:15] | joobie: | i think i have deinterlacing enabled already.. hang ill check |
| [11:09:37] | hnitsuj: | constant tickers on some shows eh? sucky |
| [11:09:56] | hnitsuj: | normally only news channels have that over here |
| [11:10:25] | joobie: | ya that's what it is |
| [11:10:28] | joobie: | like a breakfast show |
| [11:10:34] | joobie: | and when i watch it, it's really noticable |
| [11:10:37] | hnitsuj: | I heard a rumour that in the US when there's a severe weather warning the TV channels superimpose all kinds of shit over the picture |
| [11:10:53] | hnitsuj: | try bob 2x or kernel deinterlacing |
| [11:11:15] | joobie: | where is this setting btw hnitsuj |
| [11:11:16] | joobie: | im in setup |
| [11:11:17] | directhex|work: | greedy |
| [11:11:19] | hnitsuj: | or if you're using a nvidia card with tvout, open nvidia-settings & turn the flicker filter up to half |
| [11:11:24] | hnitsuj: | only trunk has greedy |
| [11:11:26] | directhex|work: | it'll eat your cpu, but greedy looks great |
| [11:11:32] | hnitsuj: | and only trunk has yadif |
| [11:11:57] | directhex|work: | well, what kind of luddite isn't using trunk? ;) |
| [11:12:04] | hnitsuj: | me ! |
| [11:12:04] | joobie: | na no nvidia card.. just an intel |
| [11:12:11] | hnitsuj: | won't be using 0.21 when it's out either |
| [11:12:22] | hnitsuj: | wait for 0.22 :) |
| [11:13:05] | directhex|work: | erm... why? |
| [11:13:42] | hnitsuj: | because! |
| [11:15:18] | hnitsuj: | don't really need any of the new features and to be blunt some things have got worse. playback profiles... blech |
| [11:15:34] | joobie: | finally |
| [11:15:36] | joobie: | i found the settings |
| [11:15:39] | joobie: | wow that was weird.. took a whiel |
| [11:15:48] | joobie: | ok deinterlace playback is enabled |
| [11:15:48] | hnitsuj: | tv playback settings |
| [11:16:05] | joobie: | ot |
| [11:16:09] | joobie: | it's set to kernel btw |
| [11:16:56] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, so set up a simplistic profile and take advantage of the better deinterlacer & renderer |
| [11:17:04] | directhex|work: | joobie, try bob |
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| [11:17:30] | hnitsuj: | directhex|work: CBA. |
| [11:18:39] | joobie: | i set it to bob |
| [11:18:41] | joobie: | bob x2 |
| [11:18:52] | joobie: | the picture is not sitting right now.. there's like this 1px blue line |
| [11:18:55] | joobie: | across the top of the screen |
| [11:19:08] | hnitsuj: | reverted to being a 'wah, want everything done' user like so many others. no real merit in upgrading anyway – don't want any of the new features & 0.20.x is stable enough for the most part. |
| [11:19:56] | rooaus: | joobie: Is the source PAL or NTSC? |
| [11:20:21] | hnitsuj: | might update when 0.21 is a bit more mature ;) |
| [11:20:27] | joobie: | rooaus, PAL i think.. im from AU |
| [11:20:35] | joobie: | like u! :P |
| [11:20:40] | joobie: | im streaming ch10 |
| [11:20:51] | joobie: | it's got like this 1px blue line across the top when i switched to bob |
| [11:22:24] | rooaus: | joobie: What refresh rate are you using? If it is 60Hz with PAL content you see the stutter, even with deinterlacing. |
| [11:23:59] | joobie: | in xorg rooaus ? |
| [11:24:07] | joobie: | i think i have 60Hz set in xorg |
| [11:24:11] | hnitsuj: | joobie: refresh rate can't be set anywhere else |
| [11:24:18] | joobie: | ahh |
| [11:24:22] | joobie: | yea it's 60Hz |
| [11:24:49] | rooaus: | Yeah, there is a tool that reports the info from memory. |
| [11:24:57] | hnitsuj: | xrandr |
| [11:26:03] | joobie: | i checked it out in display properties |
| [11:26:07] | joobie: | it's definitely 60Hz |
| [11:26:10] | joobie: | what shoudl i make it? |
| [11:26:11] | rooaus: | joobie: "xvidtune" will show what it is currently. |
| [11:27:10] | rooaus: | joobie: You want it set to 50Hz for PAL content, or possibly 74Hz, depending on what options are available. |
| [11:27:19] | rooaus: | *75Hz :) |
| [11:27:56] | hnitsuj: | 75Hz? why? |
| [11:28:54] | joobie: | ok gona check this out |
| [11:29:07] | joobie: | i have |
| [11:29:10] | joobie: | 60 and 70 as an option |
| [11:29:13] | joobie: | in the dropdown list |
| [11:29:19] | hnitsuj: | computers are bollocks at displaying stuff on plain old TVs |
| [11:29:28] | directhex|work: | because it's a cleaner conversion from 50hz, presumably. can't say i've ever used mythtv with an antique screen, and back when i were a lad, it was enough of an event to get x working on a tv, so sod the settings |
| [11:30:03] | joobie: | hmm |
| [11:30:08] | joobie: | i think i have an error with my xorg.conf |
| [11:30:09] | hnitsuj: | well, not everybody wants their SDTV to look shit on a big screen |
| [11:30:20] | joobie: | when i run xvidtune, it reports a Samsung SyncMaster as my monitor |
| [11:30:27] | joobie: | but my TV is a panasonic plazma |
| [11:30:45] | joobie: | i tried to set that in xorg.conf before – but couldnt find it as a known monitor (because it's a tv) |
| [11:30:46] | rooaus: | joobie: What is it hooked up to and how? You said Intel graphics right? |
| [11:30:57] | joobie: | rooaus, ya.. the graphics card is intel |
| [11:31:01] | joobie: | it's hooked up to my plazma tv |
| [11:31:08] | joobie: | i used to have it hooked up to a samsung syuncmaster lcd |
| [11:31:11] | hnitsuj: | joobie: how? |
| [11:31:22] | directhex|work: | the name specified in xorg.conf is irrelevant |
| [11:31:31] | joobie: | my mediacenter has dvi out.. i have a dvi -> vga convertor.. and i hook it up via vga to the tv |
| [11:31:36] | directhex|work: | it's used as an identifier, it's not used for anything actually screen-related |
| [11:31:40] | joobie: | i see |
| [11:32:09] | joobie: | well when i ran xvidtune, it says "hsync range 0: 30.0 – 81.00, vsync range 0: 56 – 75" |
| [11:32:28] | joobie: | but when i right click the desktop and check sync rate in display properites.. it only gives me 60 and 70 in the dropdown |
| [11:33:04] | directhex|work: | you can't use all rates at all modes |
| [11:33:13] | directhex|work: | xrandr should show all available combinations |
| [11:33:31] | directhex|work: | of course, refresh rates are largely meaningless on non-crt |
| [11:33:39] | joobie: | hmm |
| [11:33:44] | DGnome: | xrandr can lie |
| [11:33:47] | joobie: | xrandr looks like it's based on my xorg.conf |
| [11:33:49] | DGnome: | atleast in my case |
| [11:33:55] | directhex|work: | yes, xrandr can lie |
| [11:34:08] | rooaus: | joobie: I have a Sony LCD TV and NVidia graphics. I needed to tweak the xorg.conf to allow a 50Hz vertical refresh as the driver disabled <60Hz modes. |
| [11:34:23] | DGnome: | xrandr tells me my tv can do 51Hz, which infact really is 60Hz |
| [11:34:24] | joobie: | ahh |
| [11:34:28] | directhex|work: | but it still illustrates the "different resolutions allow different refreshes" concept |
| [11:34:59] | directhex|work: | generally, pc graphics cards won't do 50hz. especially via vga |
| [11:35:13] | directhex|work: | largely because pc monitors won't display it |
| [11:35:17] | rooaus: | joobie: xvidtune should popup a gui, in the lower right corner it should report the vertical refresh rate of the current video mode. |
| [11:35:44] | joobie: | rooaus, it says pixel clock (MHz): 65 |
| [11:36:07] | joobie: | Morizontal Sync (kHz): 48.36, Vertical Sync (Hz): 60.00 |
| [11:36:11] | joobie: | -M+H |
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| [11:36:19] | joobie: | .. that is in xvidtune |
| [11:39:18] | rooaus: | joobie: I definitely had to use a 50Hz video mode to fix the problem you are seeing, I ended up using the HDMI input on the tv with a 720p modeline instead of vga at 1:1 pixel mapping because the vga could only sync @60Hz. |
| [11:40:29] | directhex|work: | <directhex|work> generally, pc graphics cards won't do 50hz. especially via vga |
| [11:40:31] | joobie: | ahh |
| [11:40:54] | joobie: | i tried hdmi, but the problem is if i use the hdmi input, i have to combine audio on the same hdmi channel |
| [11:41:06] | joobie: | unfortunately my tv doesn't let me use video from the hdmi and audio from another input |
| [11:41:27] | joobie: | and on my mediacenter i have a seperate audio output with dvi output.. |
| [11:42:24] | rooaus: | directhex|work: My card can do it, no problem there, just the shite TMDS transceivers used in the TVs. |
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| [11:44:08] | rooaus: | joobie: I believe that the opengl video rendering method is meant to handle this *much* better, but have not tried it myself. I even think it is disabled at the moment but not real sure. |
| [11:44:32] | joobie: | :q |
| [11:44:44] | joobie: | woops wrong kb |
| [11:44:48] | joobie: | ahh |
| [11:44:49] | joobie: | ill try enable it |
| [11:44:52] | joobie: | is that in backend setup |
| [11:44:53] | joobie: | ? |
| [11:45:40] | Dibblah: | OpenGL video rendering is not working at the moment. |
| [11:46:20] | Dibblah: | I believe it hasn't been finished. |
| [11:46:26] | directhex|work: | wfm |
| [11:46:32] | directhex|work: | well. picking it from the menus works for me |
| [11:46:44] | directhex|work: | along with the opengl osd. whether there's silent fallback to something else, no idea |
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| [11:48:17] | rooaus: | directhex|work: Is that a recent build? I thought Daniel disabled it due to segfaults when switching from xv -> opengl rendering. But haven't really followed it closely. |
| [11:48:47] | joobie: | hmm werid |
| [11:48:56] | joobie: | when i do 60Hz @ 1024 x 768 |
| [11:48:57] | Dibblah: | It won't actually do anything unless it's configure time enabled. |
| [11:49:04] | directhex|work: | rooaus, this weekend's mythbuntu auto-build |
| [11:49:05] | joobie: | my display pops up on the TV saying VGA @ 60Hz |
| [11:49:09] | hnitsuj: | 0.21 is far from ready then it's safe to assume |
| [11:49:10] | joobie: | then when i do 70Hz |
| [11:49:20] | joobie: | the display pops up saying XGA @ 70Hz |
| [11:49:32] | Dibblah: | hnitsuj: Not that far. |
| [11:50:00] | Dibblah: | OpenGL rendering wasn't available in 0.20 – So it's not a regression if it's not included. |
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| [11:50:27] | hnitsuj: | pfft |
| [11:50:35] | rooaus: | joobie: What TV are you using? |
| [11:51:39] | directhex|work: | yep, the mythbuntu builds specify --enable-opengl-video |
| [11:51:46] | directhex|work: | and --enable-ffmpeg-pthreads |
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| [11:52:38] | Dibblah: | That's silly. |
| [11:52:44] | joobie: | rooaus, panasonic TH-42PX70A |
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| [11:54:25] | joobie: | rooaus, http://panasonic.com.au/support/downloads/fil . . . oductID=6042 the manuals for the TV are there |
| [11:54:28] | joobie: | right down the bottom. |
| [11:54:37] | rooaus: | joobie: ok |
| [11:54:39] | DGnome: | joobie: you were an aussie, tight? |
| [11:54:42] | DGnome: | right.. :) |
| [11:54:48] | joobie: | DGnome, yup |
| [11:54:56] | joobie: | im from Melbourne |
| [11:55:04] | DGnome: | joobie: PAL video standard then |
| [11:55:12] | joobie: | ahh |
| [11:55:17] | joobie: | yea i have that set hey |
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| [11:56:02] | joobie: | rooaus, http://panasonic.com.au/content/library/files/F001902.pdf is the link to the specific manual |
| [11:56:10] | joobie: | if you go to the last page in there – that's got all the tech specs |
| [11:56:13] | hnitsuj: | PAL != HD |
| [11:56:16] | joobie: | it's identical to the manual i got with it:P |
| [11:56:48] | rooaus: | joobie: yeah, downloading it now. |
| [11:57:10] | Dibblah: | Hmm. Maybe not – I can't find Daniel's post saying it's busted :) |
| [11:57:19] | joobie: | thanks for the help hey |
| [11:57:22] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: if he lives in a PAL country, his HD is 50Hz also |
| [11:57:30] | joobie: | ive been sorta putting up with it a for a while.. but would love to sort it out |
| [11:57:45] | rooaus: | Dibblah: I think he said it the other day in #mythtv |
| [11:57:45] | hnitsuj: | amazing what you'll put up with to ahve a pc-based pvr |
| [11:57:46] | joobie: | it sucks when you watch the antenna direct to the TV.. and then through myth and see a noticable difference |
| [11:59:11] | hnitsuj: | heh well sucks when a bunch of software can't scale & deinterlace as well as a DSP in the telly :) |
| [11:59:22] | DGnome: | joobie: you wouldnt happen to have an extra nvidia 6200++ card you could install in the mythboxen? :) |
| [11:59:23] | Dibblah: | Sure it can. |
| [11:59:34] | hnitsuj: | Dibblah: depends what you're comparing it to |
| [11:59:47] | rooaus: | joobie: It is worth sorting out, imho it makes a big difference, but some people don't notice it. The tickers is where it is most apparent, but even pans in scenes etc have the problem. |
| [11:59:49] | joobie: | eheh DGnome |
| [11:59:56] | Dibblah: | Nope. What can be done in hardware can pretty much be done in software. |
| [11:59:59] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: what are you blabbering about? |
| [11:59:59] | joobie: | na.. im using a macmini so i have no expansion slots |
| [12:00:05] | hnitsuj: | Dibblah: but not in mythtv |
| [12:00:17] | Dibblah: | rooaus: Have you tried yadif / ... |
| [12:00:27] | directhex|work: | Dibblah, he's on 0.20 |
| [12:00:32] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: mythtv gives me better image quality than any STB i've ever seen |
| [12:00:38] | hnitsuj: | bullshit |
| [12:00:53] | joobie: | rooaus, ya.. i see that occasionally with a pan.. sometimes the picture looks crisp as.. but the occasion scene you just cringe when you see the poor quality:P |
| [12:01:23] | Dibblah: | hnitsuj: What's your input? |
| [12:01:45] | Dibblah: | SVid / Tuner / ...? |
| [12:01:49] | rooaus: | Dibblah: Yeah, it is nice... taxes the cpu though :) |
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| [12:04:32] | hnitsuj: | Dibblah: put it this way my VM cable box looks better on composite than myth over svideo |
| [12:05:36] | Dibblah: | Right. |
| [12:05:46] | Dibblah: | Not quite the same thing, though.# |
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| [12:06:05] | Dibblah: | The closer comparison there would be a Tivo and Myth. |
| [12:06:13] | hnitsuj: | bollocks |
| [12:06:14] | joobie: | mpeg is mpeg hey |
| [12:06:21] | Dibblah: | ... |
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| [12:06:24] | hnitsuj: | analogue tivo vs dvb-t? |
| [12:06:24] | joobie: | i mean, if its generated via myth |
| [12:06:32] | joobie: | or generated via the broadcast |
| [12:06:34] | joobie: | they're both mpeg |
| [12:06:47] | Dibblah: | hnitsuj: I don't understand. |
| [12:06:57] | joobie: | if the processor is sufficnet to encode it / play it |
| [12:07:01] | joobie: | it should be the same shoudnt it |
| [12:07:05] | Dibblah: | What's the two chains you are comparing? |
| [12:07:21] | Dibblah: | VM Cable -> Cable Box -> SVid -> TV |
| [12:07:36] | Dibblah: | And DVB-t -> Myth Box -> SVid -> TV? |
| [12:07:40] | rooaus: | joobie: It looks like the native res of your panel is 1024x768. The manual says that you can get a 1024x768@75Hz mode over VGA. I would try that. |
| [12:07:45] | hnitsuj: | Dibblah: pretty much |
| [12:08:12] | Dibblah: | Which video card / deinterlacing filter / ...? |
| [12:08:21] | hnitsuj: | intel, bob 2x |
| [12:08:25] | joobie: | rooaus, but when i check out display properites in xorg it only gives me 60 and 70 |
| [12:08:36] | joobie: | do i need to statically specify 75hz in the xorg.conf or something? |
| [12:08:42] | Dibblah: | Bob won't work particularly well on an interlaced output device. |
| [12:08:43] | hnitsuj: | looks like bollocks, but better than any nvidia card I've ever had |
| [12:08:54] | hnitsuj: | Dibblah: you don't get proper interlaced TV out |
| [12:08:56] | hnitsuj: | it |
| [12:09:09] | Dibblah: | Yes – I know how it works, I have one. |
| [12:09:18] | Dibblah: | I mean bob relies on pretty tight timing. |
| [12:09:25] | hnitsuj: | it's PAL but what's going into the tv encoder isn't interlaced – and even if it was, there's no way for the software to know which field it's on |
| [12:10:11] | Dibblah: | Yup. Precisely the problem with a non-native output device. |
| [12:10:25] | rooaus: | joobie: Yeah, you may need to fiddle with xorg.conf |
| [12:10:26] | Dibblah: | And no, there's no real way round it. |
| [12:10:29] | hnitsuj: | which is why PCs are bollocks for playing back TV |
| [12:10:40] | Dibblah: | No – PCs are fine. |
| [12:10:42] | joobie: | btw rooaus |
| [12:10:45] | joobie: | i have this prob |
| [12:10:51] | Dibblah: | Video cards which aren't designed for the job suck. |
| [12:10:52] | joobie: | when i boot.. it goes to a huge res |
| [12:10:59] | joobie: | then i have to set it each time.. set it down to 1024 x 768 |
| [12:11:05] | joobie: | any idea how to make it always go to that res |
| [12:11:07] | hnitsuj: | Dibblah: why is... pretty much all of them |
| [12:11:11] | Dibblah: | And there ARE no commercial video cards designed for the job :( |
| [12:11:54] | hnitsuj: | matrox did some once, but getting them to work in linux makes writing a software pvr app from scratch look easy |
| [12:12:30] | hnitsuj: | a latter-day pvr350 with HDMI out might be nice |
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| [12:13:17] | hnitsuj: | onboard h.264 decoder, yada yada yada. never see the light of day though |
| [12:14:03] | rooaus: | joobie: You should be able to lock in a video mode from the xorg.conf, fix the first problem and the second may go away :) |
| [12:14:46] | joobie: | heeh k |
| [12:14:49] | joobie: | i got the video sweet now |
| [12:14:52] | joobie: | just put 1 mode in there |
| [12:14:53] | joobie: | will try now |
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| [12:15:16] | Dibblah: | justdave: Yeah. |
| [12:15:22] | Dibblah: | Argh. |
| [12:15:29] | hnitsuj: | hahahaha |
| [12:15:36] | Dibblah: | Would have been nice if it surfaced. |
| [12:15:57] | hnitsuj: | fucking boiler failed last night. wonder what's going to go wrong today :-\ Been a shite week, all told |
| [12:16:19] | Dibblah: | It never happens in summer, does it? |
| [12:16:59] | hnitsuj: | turned out to be the battery contacts in the thermostat/timer thing – clock was working but not enough welly to power the relay |
| [12:17:30] | joobie: | hmm |
| [12:17:32] | ** Dibblah doesn't have a thermostat or timer any more. ** | |
| [12:17:37] | joobie: | ok well i fixed the video in xorg |
| [12:17:39] | hnitsuj: | dog had the pukes/shits the night before, and wed morning was burgled & had my car taken |
| [12:17:49] | joobie: | is there a good way to test if it's fixed? i dont have any vids with that scrolling text up now |
| [12:18:15] | Dibblah: | hnitsuj: Ouch. Night time slip-in, grab the keys? |
| [12:18:20] | rooaus: | Dibblah: We had a gas shortage a few years back, 10 days without gas, 10 days without hot water. :( |
| [12:19:13] | hnitsuj: | night time? nah. 5am. I got up to go to the loo while there were still in the house. they made it to the livingroom & set off the alarm just as I got back into bed. c***s |
| [12:19:51] | hnitsuj: | according to the cctv the time between em getting in the car & me peeping out the front door was about 30 secs |
| [12:19:55] | joobie: | hmm btw guys.. when i startup, my Xorg sits at the login screen for X.. |
| [12:20:04] | joobie: | is it possible to make it go right through to myth? |
| [12:20:12] | joobie: | so i can just turn it on and it logs in and everythign.. and loads myth |
| [12:20:30] | Dibblah: | joobie: Have a look at the FAQ in the documentation. |
| [12:20:34] | Dibblah: | Or follow a guide. |
| [12:21:34] | rooaus: | joobie: Check what the actual refresh rate is, then record sunrise or whatever tom morning so you can test later. |
| [12:21:45] | joobie: | cool roo |
| [12:21:46] | hnitsuj: | anyway FWIW myth is staying put cos as sucky (or not) as it might (or might not) be, it's still zillionz of miles better than any standalone bullshit hardware box in terms of features. I never moaned that the output quality doesn't come _close_ to standalones – just that it could be better ;) |
| [12:21:48] | joobie: | ill try that |
| [12:22:07] | joobie: | but if i record it.. will the record be good regardless of the refresh? |
| [12:22:15] | joobie: | or will the broken refresh rate make the recording broken too..? |
| [12:22:34] | hnitsuj: | that Humax box we had the other week – jesus – even neglecting its lack of useful features it was still shite |
| [12:22:47] | hnitsuj: | 'the best freeview pvr on the market'. hate to try the worst |
| [12:22:47] | rooaus: | joobie: Yeah, it will record the "stream" from over the air, the processing etc happens on playback. |
| [12:23:17] | rooaus: | hnitsuj: What did the missus say? Did she miss myth as well? |
| [12:23:20] | joobie: | ahh cool |
| [12:23:28] | joobie: | thanks for all the help hey |
| [12:23:36] | joobie: | i mean this streaming on 10HD looks mad |
| [12:23:51] | hnitsuj: | rooaus: she missed timestretch, arbitrary skipping, adequate EPG & stuff. basics |
| [12:23:55] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, you can pick up a crappy one for 10 quid, minus hard disk |
| [12:24:05] | hnitsuj: | directhex|work: they're not even worth 10 quids |
| [12:24:17] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, i never said they were ;) |
| [12:24:28] | hnitsuj: | maybe as bookends or paperweights |
| [12:24:40] | Dibblah: | The Tivo is actually quite good. |
| [12:24:46] | Dibblah: | In terms of UI. |
| [12:24:56] | Dibblah: | Picture quality isn't so hot, of course. |
| [12:25:01] | hnitsuj: | pity about the analogue :) |
| [12:25:17] | Dibblah: | Doing quite well for a 9 year old bit of kit, though. |
| [12:25:18] | rooaus: | hnitsuj: Is that all :) I think the things I would miss are different to what my missus would miss. |
| [12:25:26] | hnitsuj: | mate of mine lent me a recording he put onto dvd for me. not even as good as the pvr150 |
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| [12:25:55] | joobie: | hey so |
| [12:25:58] | joobie: | what does this Hz actually do? |
| [12:26:05] | joobie: | i googled around.. couldnt find a decent explaination |
| [12:26:23] | hnitsuj: | rooaus: I'd miss mythweb, programme finder. there aren't many features in mythtv I actually use that much |
| [12:26:48] | hnitsuj: | joobie: means how many times per second (hz) the picture is drawn onscreen |
| [12:27:23] | joobie: | ahh |
| [12:27:33] | hnitsuj: | rooaus: wouldn't miss mythvideo or mythmusic. not with XBMC, but I hate its UI |
| [12:27:34] | joobie: | so why does dropping to 50hz work better than increasing? |
| [12:27:42] | joobie: | more times per second wold be crisper / smoother wouldnt it? |
| [12:27:47] | hnitsuj: | joobie: because the TV is 50Hz |
| [12:28:00] | hnitsuj: | joobie: that which is broadcast is 50Hz |
| [12:28:32] | hnitsuj: | if the rate was out of step (i.e. not an integer multiple of 50Hz) , you'd get tearing & all sorts of stuff |
| [12:30:22] | joobie: | hh |
| [12:30:23] | joobie: | ahh |
| [12:30:24] | joobie: | i see |
| [12:30:31] | joobie: | so how do i see what hz my broadcast is in? |
| [12:30:36] | Dibblah: | You may also find that your deinterlacer (if you're using bob) will turn off if you get to 'exactly' 50hz. |
| [12:30:46] | joobie: | rooaus, any idea what hz the au dvb-t broadcast is? |
| [12:30:46] | Dibblah: | joobie: It's 50Hz. You're in PAL land. |
| [12:31:11] | joobie: | so if i go 75Hz, how will that help? |
| [12:31:17] | rooaus: | hnitsuj: I would miss mythmusic, mythweb, multiple tuners, > 1TB storage |
| [12:31:24] | Dibblah: | (Because there's some futzing through the driver which means that 50 is not actually 50Hz. |
| [12:31:27] | joobie: | dont i need 50hz? |
| [12:31:36] | Dibblah: | No. 50 is what you're aiming for. |
| [12:32:04] | joobie: | but im currently doing 60hz |
| [12:32:12] | joobie: | why would i increase that to 75? |
| [12:32:20] | joobie: | is it because it's a half of 50 or sumthen? <lost> |
| [12:32:50] | hnitsuj: | couldn't ever miss mythmusic tbh. maybe mythvideo but no other plugin |
| [12:32:51] | rooaus: | joobie: Your TV won't sync at 50Hz (over vga) according to the manual, so 75 Hz is the next best according to the table of supported modes. |
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| [12:34:15] | Dibblah: | Interesting that Eskil is working on the shoutcast stuff again. |
| [12:34:32] | anykey_: | maybe he tries to get it into trunk this time ;) |
| [12:34:50] | hnitsuj: | I hope the awful 3-bin view goes away though. that sucks |
| [12:34:50] | joobie: | ahhh |
| [12:34:51] | joobie: | thanks roo |
| [12:35:27] | joobie: | hey rooaus .. do u recommend kernel or that bob 2 one? |
| [12:35:34] | joobie: | im on kernal now.. with bob2 i get this blue line at the top |
| [12:35:39] | joobie: | like a 1px blue line.. |
| [12:35:50] | Dibblah: | joobie: Which Myth version? |
| [12:36:27] | rooaus: | Dibblah: He is keen to get it into svn, he has just been real busy. Splitting it up into smaller patches is a fair bit of work though. |
| [12:36:36] | joobie: | 0.20.2 |
| [12:36:46] | Dibblah: | Yeah, I read -dev too ;) |
| [12:37:09] | Dibblah: | joobie: Not completely sure, but I believe that may be fixed in trunk. |
| [12:37:26] | Dibblah: | (It's an off-by-one error somewhere or other) |
| [12:37:38] | rooaus: | Dibblah: Ah, wasn't following that, that was from an email he sent me. |
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| [12:39:08] | rooaus: | Anyway, I am keen to try and help out as much as I can post 0.21 to get it into trunk. Just wait for the dust to settle first. |
| [12:39:40] | joobie: | Dibblah, ahh. it's a known bug? |
| [12:40:35] | Dibblah: | I seem to recall, yes. |
| [12:40:42] | Dibblah: | Could be wrong, though :) |
| [12:40:51] | Dibblah: | Backup, install 0.21 and try it ;) |
| [12:41:09] | joobie: | ahh |
| [12:41:12] | joobie: | i insatlled via a repo |
| [12:42:20] | rooaus: | joobie: I think Dibblah is right. The blue is probably the chromakey colour, which can be changed to make it less noticeable. |
| [12:42:35] | Dibblah: | It is. |
| [12:42:38] | joobie: | way over my head |
| [12:42:43] | joobie: | :) |
| [12:42:46] | joobie: | is there a fix for this version? |
| [12:42:50] | Dibblah: | But I really don't want to be suggesting that particular band-aid. |
| [12:42:59] | joobie: | i notcied there was x and y positioning in one of the options.. i was thinking of positoning hte screen up 1px |
| [12:43:08] | joobie: | ahh |
| [12:43:10] | hnitsuj: | you can't |
| [12:43:12] | Dibblah: | Don't believe that works. |
| [12:43:15] | Dagmar: | Eventually someone will actually fix that bug |
| [12:43:17] | joobie: | doh |
| [12:43:23] | Dibblah: | (That scales the overlay window) |
| [12:43:50] | Dagmar: | Search the wiki for 'xvattr' which is the thing you use to set the overlay color to black so the blue line goes away |
| [12:43:51] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: If it bothers you, fix it ;) |
| [12:44:02] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: I've no idea where the hell that stuff gets set |
| [12:44:18] | Dibblah: | The code is an open book. |
| [12:44:20] | Dagmar: | It's pretty apparently something being treated as a counting number instead of an offset |
| [12:44:24] | Dibblah: | With no index or reference ;) |
| [12:44:30] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: ...provided you can read C++ well |
| [12:44:56] | joobie: | thanks Dagmar |
| [12:45:49] | Dibblah: | I'm _fairly_ sure it only happens with the rate-doubling deinterlacers. |
| [12:45:58] | Dibblah: | And not in NTSC land. |
| [12:46:22] | Dagmar: | Well, my NTSC TV using the s-video output and no special settings beyond that begs to differe. |
| [12:46:49] | Dagmar: | ...and I"m still wondering who kept changing the number being handed to xvattr |
| [12:46:52] | Dibblah: | Hence the uncertainty above. Shockingly enough, I don't watch too much NTSC stuff. |
| [12:47:01] | Dagmar: | Seems like just about anything (including zero) makes the damn thing set the overlay color to black. |
| [12:47:27] | Dibblah: | Some chips only support specific overlay colors? |
| [12:47:50] | Dagmar: | Hell if I know, but some yahoo kept changing the line to "xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 66048" withotu explaining why |
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| [12:50:18] | Dibblah: | Apparently it happen(ed|s) with mplayer too. |
| [12:51:00] | rooaus: | night all |
| [12:51:16] | Dagmar: | I think someone's just blindly copying what appears elsewhere without doing any damn research. |
| [12:51:19] | joobie: | hey rooaus |
| [12:51:28] | joobie: | are you still there? |
| [12:51:47] | rooaus: | joobie: whats up? |
| [12:52:11] | DGnome: | joobie: managed to get 50hz ouput over vga? |
| [12:52:31] | joobie: | na.. but i found an article on the wiki for setting up myth on a macmini |
| [12:52:38] | joobie: | it mentions using svideo adapter – which i have |
| [12:52:47] | joobie: | just wondering if svideo can support 50Hz? |
| [12:52:56] | DGnome: | yes it can |
| [12:53:00] | joobie: | hmm |
| [12:53:11] | joobie: | so do you think it'd be worthwhile going from vga to svideo? |
| [12:53:15] | DGnome: | but you will be forced to run at PAL 720x576 |
| [12:53:17] | Dibblah: | It would be _really_ nice if someone could figure out how to wire up the pp filter. But that doesn't seem to be something anyone able is interested in. |
| [12:53:18] | joobie: | just cos of the Hz alone? |
| [12:53:21] | joobie: | ahh doh |
| [12:53:27] | joobie: | that res doesn't sound good:P |
| [12:53:37] | Dibblah: | deblocking / deringing / lancos scaling / ... |
| [12:53:43] | joobie: | rooaus, get some sleep bro :P thanks for all your help |
| [12:54:00] | rooaus: | joobie: np |
| [12:54:00] | DGnome: | joobie: get an nvidia 6200 or better card, it will solve all the problems |
| [12:54:23] | joobie: | DGnome, im using a macmini.. it doesnt support it |
| [12:54:51] | DGnome: | joobie: oh, you are on a mac mini. why not run mythfrontend natively? |
| [12:55:16] | DGnome: | or are running native? |
| [12:55:36] | Dagmar: | Now that I'm thinking of it, I'm changing 66048 back to 0 again |
| [12:55:52] | joobie: | DGnome, what do you mean by natively running it? |
| [12:56:04] | DGnome: | joobie: did you install linux on your macmini? |
| [12:56:13] | joobie: | DGnome, ya |
| [12:56:19] | joobie: | centos |
| [12:56:50] | DGnome: | joobie: if you can get mythfrontend to compile on macosx, you are better off running it in OSX |
| [12:57:07] | joobie: | oh |
| [12:57:09] | joobie: | why is that? |
| [12:57:14] | joobie: | better driver support? |
| [12:57:14] | DGnome: | intel gfx and linux == pain |
| [12:57:31] | Dibblah: | DGnome: Eh? |
| [12:57:35] | joobie: | interesting |
| [12:57:39] | Dibblah: | Works fine for me. |
| [12:57:51] | joobie: | DGnome, i'd prefer to keep it linux tho... i use this box for my gateway / webserver too |
| [12:57:55] | joobie: | so it's kinda an all-in-one |
| [12:57:55] | Dibblah: | Nice opensource drivers, no wierd kernel module dependencies,... |
| [12:58:02] | DGnome: | Dibblah: well, just having to use a tool to get other than 1024x768 resoltuins to work seems bad imho |
| [12:58:19] | Dibblah: | DGnome: Not with the latest ("modesetting") drivers. |
| [12:58:34] | Dibblah: | Native xrandr 1.2 support. |
| [12:58:44] | DGnome: | okay then |
| [12:59:00] | DGnome: | Dibblah: tell this man how to get 50Hz output over VGA then |
| [12:59:03] | Dibblah: | XV support does HD resolutions, ... |
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| [12:59:25] | DGnome: | Oh I know they do XV |
| [12:59:31] | DGnome: | but do they do 50Hz? |
| [12:59:42] | Dibblah: | Pretty sure it doesn't do interlaced modelines. |
| [13:00:03] | DGnome: | nono, not interlaced |
| [13:00:19] | DGnome: | 1024x768@50 |
| [13:00:27] | Dibblah: | Use the right modeline...? |
| [13:00:38] | Dibblah: | And recent X / drivers. |
| [13:00:46] | joobie: | what modeline Dibblah ? |
| [13:00:50] | Dibblah: | I'd actually recommend not using that res. |
| [13:01:14] | joobie: | that is the max my vga port supports |
| [13:01:25] | ghostcube: | hmmm ok guys maybe i read not enough but i havent found an solution for my problem on ubuntu gutsy and mythtv may someone can help me to get the Hauppauge WinTV to be recognized by mythtv xawtv kdetv and so on are recognizing and working with this card its bt878 and i looked in lsmod the needed modules loaded :| |
| [13:01:29] | Dibblah: | For me, it's ModeLine "1280x720–50Hz" 60.47 1280 1328 1456 1632 720 721 724 741 |
| [13:01:38] | Dibblah: | But that's 1280... |
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| [13:01:53] | Dibblah: | There's a list of them somewhere or other. Google knows. |
| [13:02:08] | Dibblah: | ModeLine "800x600PAL" 33.2 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 |
| [13:02:19] | joobie: | Dibblah, would you use Modes "1280x720_50" to use that modeline? |
| [13:02:24] | Dibblah: | was what I was using on my old (800x600 native) projector. |
| [13:02:28] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [13:02:49] | joobie: | any idea what the 1024 one would be |
| [13:02:55] | joobie: | a resource that has it or sumthen |
| [13:02:58] | joobie: | this is kinda over my head |
| [13:02:59] | Dibblah: | Remember to set horizsync and vertrefresh appropriately. |
| [13:03:18] | joobie: | how to do that?:P |
| [13:03:48] | DGnome: | Modeline "1024x768@50" 51.85 1024 1056 1248 1280 768 784 791 807 <-- that may work |
| [13:03:52] | ghostcube: | on gutsy i noticed the mythbackend startet by init.d isnt working with the frontend u must start backend through sudo but if u done this frontend can connect to backend but not possible to get the card working |
| [13:03:53] | Dibblah: | What's your display's native resolution? |
| [13:04:09] | ghostcube: | joobie: what card is this ati or nvidia ? |
| [13:04:14] | DGnome: | but will the intel driver and xorg combo allow 50Hz without any extra options? |
| [13:04:22] | Dibblah: | AFAIK, yes. |
| [13:04:42] | Dibblah: | Again, set horizsync and vertrefresh right, though. |
| [13:04:45] | joobie: | ghostcube, intel |
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| [13:05:01] | joobie: | 1024x768 is native res |
| [13:05:10] | ghostcube: | joobie: should this be twinview or single moni |
| [13:05:17] | DGnome: | joobie: find out where modelines go in the xorg.conf and then insert that modeline i pasted and go for it |
| [13:05:24] | joobie: | http://panasonic.com.au/content/library/files/F001902.pdf |
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| [13:05:27] | joobie: | that is a link to my tv manual |
| [13:05:42] | joobie: | the 42 model.. the last page has the specs on the vga port, etc |
| [13:05:46] | DGnome: | joobie: warranty vid :) |
| [13:05:49] | joobie: | but it says there 1024x768 for vga port |
| [13:06:06] | DGnome: | Modeline "1024x768@50" 51.85 1024 1056 1248 1280 768 784 791 807 <-- put on your glasses |
| [13:06:16] | ghostcube: | joobie: u want to put beamer to main vga ? |
| [13:06:45] | ghostcube: | DGnome: 1024x786_50 if possible for xorg 7.3 afaik |
| [13:07:34] | ghostcube: | btw anyone an solution or idea fo r my problem ?? |
| [13:07:42] | DGnome: | then joobie could try adding "1024x786_50" to his modes |
| [13:09:18] | Dibblah: | ghostcube: Sounds like you need to set permissions on your capture device, if I'm understanding correctly. |
| [13:09:32] | joobie: | ok |
| [13:09:32] | Dibblah: | As I always ask – Which install guide are you following? |
| [13:09:34] | ghostcube: | :O |
| [13:09:34] | joobie: | sec ill try |
| [13:10:51] | ghostcube: | Dibblah: i tried the howtos on mythtv and some in web but they didnt help cause noone of the ones i read about had get backend to work so i tried on my own to get it working with help from mythtv troubleshoot page |
| [13:11:25] | ghostcube: | i havnt read about the one thats sets the capture device to access by mythtv group if this is what u mean |
| [13:11:26] | joobie: | hmm |
| [13:11:33] | joobie: | X loaded. but how can i confirm it's 50Hz |
| [13:11:51] | DGnome: | joobie: run xrandr in a termianl |
| [13:12:01] | joobie: | kk |
| [13:12:19] | DGnome: | my typing just kepps getting worse.. |
| [13:12:26] | DGnome: | gah |
| [13:12:29] | joobie: | ok no goox |
| [13:12:34] | joobie: | it was 60hz.. i forgot the _50 |
| [13:12:39] | joobie: | put in the _50 and x doesnt load now |
| [13:12:46] | DGnome: | allrighty then |
| [13:13:19] | ghostcube: | Dibblah: and the thing i cant get is that all proggies are working with my card only mythtv isnt noticing it it cant talk to the card it reads the card info in video card adding section but cant communicate with it |
| [13:13:30] | joobie: | rooaus was saying 50Hz is not possible over vga |
| [13:14:03] | DGnome: | Then you are a tiny tad screwed |
| [13:14:13] | DGnome: | get an a/v-receiver? :) |
| [13:14:25] | joobie: | but Dibblah thinks it is?:P |
| [13:14:26] | DGnome: | it's the answer to your problems |
| [13:15:26] | joobie: | what about "HorizSync 30.0 – 81.0" and "VertRefresh 56.0 – 75.0" |
| [13:15:29] | joobie: | are they setup ok? |
| [13:15:39] | Dibblah: | ghostcube: Again, I would suggest following a guide (Jarod's is good). |
| [13:15:42] | Dibblah: | joobie: No. |
| [13:15:52] | Dibblah: | Change vertrefresh to 49–51 |
| [13:15:56] | ghostcube: | Dibblah: hmm ok i will have a look at it |
| [13:16:20] | ghostcube: | Dibblah: but the backen prob on gutsy is known since 0.20 as i read on many forum pages has there changed anything ? |
| [13:16:38] | joobie: | Dibblah, leave HorizSync as is? |
| [13:17:08] | Dibblah: | I have no idea. Try it :) |
| [13:17:35] | Dibblah: | ghostcube: Everyone having problems with permissions is _not_ following a guide. |
| [13:17:52] | ghostcube: | Dibblah: hmm ok |
| [13:17:59] | joobie: | Dibblah, didnt work still |
| [13:18:05] | joobie: | i set vert to 49.0–51.0 |
| [13:18:06] | Dibblah: | Or, skipping bits of the aforementioned guide ;) |
| [13:18:09] | joobie: | no good |
| [13:18:16] | Dibblah: | joobie: Pastebin the X log. |
| [13:18:36] | joobie: | Dibblah, okie – one sec |
| [13:18:51] | Dibblah: | You may need Option "NoDDC" "True" |
| [13:18:56] | Dibblah: | in the Device section. |
| [13:19:12] | Dibblah: | ... If your monitor is reporting bad values. |
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| [13:20:35] | Dagmar: | Does the refresh rate of PAL really change that much? |
| [13:20:59] | Dagmar: | Specifying a range instead of a fixed value when the target is a _fixed value_ is just leaving X room to fuck things up. |
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| [13:21:27] | joobie: | Dibblah, http://www.pastebin.ca/923307 |
| [13:21:49] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: <sigh>. |
| [13:22:07] | Dibblah: | The issue is that most clockgens are not stepless. |
| [13:22:18] | joobie: | Dibblah, http://www.pastebin.ca/923309 that is a link to my xorg.conf file in case you need |
| [13:22:37] | Dagmar: | Hmm... I never had a problem with 60. 50 might be another matter. |
| [13:22:44] | Dibblah: | joobie: Add Option "ModeDebug" "True" |
| [13:22:48] | Dibblah: | to the device section. |
| [13:22:52] | joobie: | okie |
| [13:22:53] | Dagmar: | That'll teach you people for making your electricity slow |
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| [13:25:06] | DGnome: | =P |
| [13:25:57] | joobie: | Dibblah, when i run startx, it gives the same output |
| [13:26:07] | joobie: | btw that is the output i get on the CLI when i run it |
| [13:26:14] | DGnome: | I have no problems getting 50Hz with nvidia hw so.. has to be intel that fucked up :) |
| [13:26:24] | joobie: | i am doing tail -f /var/log/Xorg.0.log and getting nothing coming up in there when i run startx from the CLI |
| [13:26:59] | ghostcube: | Dibblah: thx i willl look through the howto :) |
| [13:27:07] | ghostcube: | i think i found aome news :) |
| [13:27:10] | ghostcube: | *s |
| [13:27:36] | joobie: | ahh sorry Dibblah |
| [13:27:37] | joobie: | my bad |
| [13:28:27] | joobie: | Dibblah, http://www.pastebin.ca/923316 |
| [13:29:00] | ghostcube: | bye |
| [13:29:02] | joobie: | the Xorg.0.log logfile was being moved each time i ran 'startx' .. so i was tailing a file that didnt exist:P that paste above has what your'e after |
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| [13:31:02] | Dibblah: | Your modeline and modes do not match. |
| [13:31:23] | Dibblah: | @ – _ |
| [13:32:00] | joobie: | should i make them both the _ or @ ? |
| [13:32:35] | Dagmar: | @>-'-,- |
| [13:33:25] | joobie: | ok |
| [13:33:27] | joobie: | that was interesting |
| [13:33:31] | joobie: | i made the modeline _ |
| [13:33:50] | joobie: | the OSD on the TV flicked up saying "PC" .. normally it says "PC and a Hz next to it....." |
| [13:33:57] | joobie: | the screen then went black |
| [13:34:02] | joobie: | it's still black |
| [13:34:19] | DGnome: | the tv might not like 50Hz over vga.. |
| [13:34:22] | joobie: | i can see a kwin session runnin |
| [13:34:29] | DGnome: | if the intel hw just did |
| [13:36:28] | joobie: | hmm.. well that's interesting |
| [13:36:41] | joobie: | just goes blank |
| [13:37:01] | Dibblah: | In which case, your monitor doesn't do it. |
| [13:37:58] | joobie: | Dibblah, rooaus had a look at my TV manual.. he suggested I use 75Hz |
| [13:38:15] | joobie: | any idae what i would need to do to make it 75Hz? |
| [13:38:24] | Dibblah: | Yeah, maybe. But then you'll get tearing. |
| [13:38:28] | joobie: | is it just the VertSync? or do i need to amend the HorizSync and Modeline too? |
| [13:38:40] | Dibblah: | Try it and see? |
| [13:38:53] | joobie: | im not sure what modeline is tho.. all those sub values |
| [13:46:23] | joobie: | hmm |
| [13:46:32] | joobie: | http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl |
| [13:46:34] | joobie: | i foudn that site |
| [13:46:39] | joobie: | but not sure what values i need for my tv |
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| [13:49:12] | joobie: | ModeLine "1024x768_75" 78.8 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 769 772 800 |
| [13:49:15] | joobie: | tried that.. no joy |
| [13:49:19] | joobie: | doesnt even load X |
| [13:49:51] | joobie: | ahh sweet |
| [13:49:56] | joobie: | it was my vertsync setting |
| [13:51:41] | soulfury: | anyone know of issues with compiling mplayer for AMD64? |
| [13:53:12] | directhex|work: | doesn't work properly with icc |
| [13:53:17] | directhex|work: | or pgcc |
| [13:53:19] | directhex|work: | or pathcc! |
| [13:54:11] | soulfury: | hrm |
| [13:54:26] | Dagmar: | Inline assembly is cool like that |
| [13:55:17] | joobie: | damn |
| [13:55:22] | joobie: | im trying to test my myth box |
| [13:55:39] | joobie: | and no movies on dvb-t except for some gat movie |
| [13:55:44] | joobie: | gay even |
| [13:55:45] | joobie: | literally |
| [13:55:46] | joobie: | :/ |
| [13:55:59] | Dagmar: | It's not our problem if you like watching those things |
| [13:58:05] | directhex|work: | who says it's a problem? it's a lifestyle choice! |
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| [14:01:18] | Dagmar: | Exactly. |
| [14:01:48] | Dagmar: | It's not our problem _anyway_, but it's _really_ not our problem if he likes it |
| [14:01:51] | joobie: | eheh |
| [14:01:57] | joobie: | i dont like it |
| [14:02:00] | joobie: | i just want to test the tv |
| [14:02:01] | joobie: | :P |
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| [14:04:13] | directhex|work: | test it with your smut. it won't turn you gay if you don't stare directly into the abyss. |
| [14:04:31] | Dagmar: | "abyss" heh |
| [14:04:35] | Dibblah: | ... Figuratively speaking. |
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| [14:05:12] | directhex|work: | Dagmar, well, consider hello.jpg of goatse fame... |
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| [14:05:23] | Dagmar: | ...or depending on what you're watching, staring directly into the abess. |
| [14:05:27] | Dagmar: | er abbess. |
| [14:07:29] | directhex|work: | or if one guy's called "abe". and he's with another guy called "abe", your first one works |
| [14:08:50] | MythNewbie: | Is anyone from SA? |
| [14:09:19] | Dagmar: | directhex: Too many s's |
| [14:09:52] | MythNewbie: | I'm wan't to use MythTV with DSTV and wan't to know if the channel data is available from DTSV |
| [14:09:52] | jduggan: | MythNewbie: wikipedia says about 49million people |
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| [14:09:56] | Dibblah: | South Africa? Saudi Arabia? Somewhere in the Antarctic? |
| [14:10:18] | directhex|work: | san antonio |
| [14:10:37] | MythNewbie: | South Africa |
| [14:10:38] | Dibblah: | Ugh. I was only mentioning places people live. |
| [14:10:39] | MythNewbie: | sorry |
| [14:11:12] | joobie: | guys im gona get some sleep |
| [14:11:18] | joobie: | thanks for all the help |
| [14:11:30] | joobie: | cheers |
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| [15:10:17] | nuxil: | how do i fix my previliges for mysql ? each time i try to run mythfrontend i get this error Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [15:10:50] | directhex|work: | 1) delete ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [15:11:22] | directhex|work: | 2) try running 'mysql -uUSERNAME -p mythconverg' using the username and password in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [15:12:39] | nuxil: | hold on a sec.. let be say it other way.. how do i grant access to my user instead of mythtv user |
| [15:13:31] | nuxil: | btw /home/mythtv/.mythtv/ is empty |
| [15:14:02] | iamlindoro: | Heh, there's your problem... |
| [15:14:18] | iamlindoro: | and mysql users are 100% different than linux users |
| [15:14:41] | nuxil: | yes |
| [15:14:46] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [15:15:00] | directhex|work: | nuxil, you're running mythfrontend as the 'mythtv' user, not as yourself? |
| [15:15:00] | nuxil: | so how do i add nuxil to mysql |
| [15:15:07] | iamlindoro: | you *don |
| [15:15:09] | iamlindoro: | 't* |
| [15:15:20] | iamlindoro: | or, at least, you shouldn't waste your time doing so |
| [15:15:25] | nuxil: | i dont use user mythtv |
| [15:15:39] | directhex|work: | nuxil, then why look in /home/mythtv when i said ~ ? |
| [15:15:48] | iamlindoro: | linux user mythtv has jack to do with your mysql login |
| [15:16:10] | directhex|work: | afternoon iamlindoro! how be ye? |
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| [15:16:25] | iamlindoro: | directhex|work: sorta bitter about being up at 7 ;) |
| [15:16:27] | nuxil: | directhex|work, oh.. old habbit :E |
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| [15:17:11] | directhex|work: | iamlindoro, slacker. it's gone 3pm! |
| [15:17:23] | iamlindoro: | directhex|work: only in civilized countries |
| [15:17:43] | directhex|work: | this isn't a civilized country |
| [15:17:47] | directhex|work: | we just drink more tea |
| [15:17:50] | nuxil: | hmm..so the /home/mythtv is used by mysql ?? |
| [15:17:55] | directhex|work: | nuxil, no |
| [15:18:11] | directhex|work: | nuxil, mysql users are nothing to do with unix users |
| [15:18:26] | directhex|work: | nuxil, you can have ten thousand unix users sharing one mysql user, or vice versa |
| [15:18:39] | nuxil: | ic |
| [15:19:00] | nuxil: | so how do i make my user access mysql user "mythtv" |
| [15:19:14] | directhex|work: | [15:11] <directhex|work> 2) try running 'mysql -uUSERNAME -p mythconverg' using the username and password in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [15:19:50] | directhex|work: | the username will be 'mythtv' |
| [15:19:56] | directhex|work: | the password could be anything |
| [15:20:29] | nuxil: | i got no such file. |
| [15:21:06] | nuxil: | strange |
| [15:21:26] | directhex|work: | which distribution are you running? |
| [15:21:33] | nuxil: | i think i purge and reinstall both mythtv and mysql. |
| [15:21:38] | nuxil: | kubuntu |
| [15:21:54] | directhex|work: | try 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow mythtv-database' |
| [15:22:05] | directhex|work: | and please don't ignore any messages it gives in big letters |
| [15:24:48] | iamlindoro: | I may be way off, but he may also have to do mythtv-common... can't remember, though, haven't played with the packages in a bit |
| [15:24:52] | nuxil: | hmm |
| [15:24:56] | nuxil: | i get a gui app startinh up with that command |
| [15:25:20] | directhex|work: | iamlindoro, i think you're right, but let's at leasdt ensure mc.sql is in |
| [15:26:05] | iamlindoro: | Hey, this one's all yours, just running off at the mouth between getting ready for work ;) |
| [15:26:34] | directhex|work: | <directhex|work> iamlindoro, slacker. it's gone 3pm! |
| [15:27:00] | iamlindoro: | If it makes you feel any better I'll stay at work until ~11PM (your time of course) |
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| [15:37:53] | |Torg|: | nuxil: a user in mysql is a seperate entity from a user in linux. It is not PAM based and does not look at the password/shadow file. You tell mysql to use whatever you are are setting for the database. For example when you use the command line tool you use the -u switch. If you want to create other users look up GRANT. |
| [15:41:39] | directhex|work: | |Torg|, let's do it the package way first. he hasn't said anything since i suggested it |
| [15:41:52] | |Torg|: | np |
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| [16:00:38] | nuxil: | hmm |
| [16:00:49] | nuxil: | its gotten worse |
| [16:01:41] | nuxil: | something is seriously wrong with my database settings |
| [16:04:37] | nuxil: | how do i reset the database ? |
| [16:05:04] | |Torg|: | a databse is not an object it is a program, you cant "reset" it |
| [16:05:08] | nuxil: | Username and Password |
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| [16:05:14] | |Torg|: | you can restart it, but I doubt thats what you mean |
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| [16:05:49] | Dagmar: | A database is a collection of objects, but you still can not reset it. |
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| [16:06:18] | nuxil: | no i dont mean the contens of the database. i mean the username and passwords |
| [16:06:25] | |Torg|: | nuxil: did you do what directhex told you to do? |
| [16:06:40] | nuxil: | yea |
| [16:06:41] | nuxil: | i also been reading a wiki |
| [16:06:43] | |Torg|: | and, what happend? |
| [16:06:49] | nuxil: | X crashed |
| [16:07:00] | |Torg|: | X has noting to do with mysql |
| [16:07:18] | nuxil: | mysql errors so much that X crashes |
| [16:07:27] | |Torg|: | mysql can core dump and still not effect X |
| [16:07:29] | Dagmar: | Time to burn the machine. |
| [16:07:44] | nuxil: | well mythfrontend crashes X |
| [16:08:03] | |Torg|: | programs in unix can not interact, its at the core of the OS, to get programs to inteact is deliberate |
| [16:08:29] | |Torg|: | mythfrontend cant crash X either |
| [16:08:34] | nuxil: | hah |
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| [16:08:52] | nuxil: | it does here.. |
| [16:09:08] | |Torg|: | about the closest you can say is that mythfrontend invoked somehting, say xvmc, and that crashed X. If it did there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with your irqs, hardware, or X config |
| [16:10:05] | |Torg|: | your telling me the sun pulls the moon across teh sky, im telling you that isnt how it works. You need to be a bit more speficif what you mean by chash, what it is you did, EXACTLY, what commands you used, and what happend |
| [16:10:18] | nuxil: | if i run mythfr from k menu X crases--if i run it from a concole i see it errors on database access problems |
| [16:10:46] | |Torg|: | when X crashes, how do you restore it? |
| [16:11:19] | nuxil: | i start x up again with startx |
| [16:11:25] | Dagmar: | Those "database access problems" are there in both cases. |
| [16:11:47] | nuxil: | yes |
| [16:11:52] | nuxil: | i think so |
| [16:11:58] | |Torg|: | he wasnt asking you |
| [16:12:20] | nuxil: | oh |
| [16:12:45] | |Torg|: | what error does mythfrontend give you? |
| [16:13:03] | nuxil: | Database error was: |
| [16:13:03] | nuxil: | Access denied for user 'nuxil'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [16:13:16] | |Torg|: | where did you tell it to use nuxil as a user? |
| [16:14:10] | nuxil: | in some gui app that appared when i ran. dpkg-reconfigure -plow mythtv-database |
| [16:14:22] | Dagmar: | Because (YAY!) he didn't read a bit of the installation instructions. |
| [16:14:22] | nuxil: | and *-common |
| [16:14:35] | |Torg|: | it is in a file called mysql.txt |
| [16:14:54] | |Torg|: | very likley in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [16:15:11] | nuxil: | Dagmar, no because i opend adept and clicked on mythtv :p |
| [16:15:21] | |Torg|: | can you open a terminal window? |
| [16:15:39] | nuxil: | i have a concole open |
| [16:15:41] | iamlindoro__: | Well clearly *that* worked out |
| [16:15:56] | |Torg|: | type find / -name mysql.txt |
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| [16:17:04] | nuxil: | in /etc |
| [16:17:19] | nuxil: | the user in that file is set to mysql |
| [16:17:21] | |Torg|: | is there one in /home/nuxil/.mythtv/ |
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| [16:17:28] | nuxil: | no such dir |
| [16:17:32] | mishehu: | everytime I see |Torg| write something, I read his nick as |Torgo| as in Torgo's Executive Powder from Futurama |
| [16:17:38] | |Torg|: | haha |
| [16:18:12] | |Torg|: | is there a /etc/mythtv/mythtv/txt file? |
| [16:18:23] | |Torg|: | err is there a /etc/mythtv/mythtv.txt file? |
| [16:19:46] | nuxil: | i found |
| [16:19:56] | nuxil: | now what. |
| [16:20:10] | nuxil: | change nuxil in that file i guess ? |
| [16:20:21] | |Torg|: | i ther ea line that says user=nuxil? |
| [16:20:48] | |Torg|: | specifcly it woudl say DBUserName=nuxil |
| [16:20:59] | nuxil: | yes that it says |
| [16:22:21] | nuxil: | should i cp that file to ~/.mythtv ? |
| [16:22:34] | |Torg|: | nope |
| [16:22:44] | |Torg|: | you should edit that file and change nuxil to mythtv |
| [16:23:01] | |Torg|: | likewise set DBPassword=mythtv as well |
| [16:24:15] | nuxil: | Database error was: |
| [16:24:15] | nuxil: | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [16:24:22] | nuxil: | ;( |
| [16:24:32] | |Torg|: | did you change both the username and password? |
| [16:24:36] | nuxil: | yes |
| [16:25:41] | nuxil: | grep "user" /etc/mysql/my.cnf shows user = mysql |
| [16:25:54] | |Torg|: | my.cnf file is the configureation for mysql |
| [16:25:55] | nuxil: | is that a problem? |
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| [16:26:06] | |Torg|: | that has NOTHING to do with your problem |
| [16:26:36] | nuxil: | ideas then? |
| [16:26:46] | |Torg|: | copy that mysql.txt file to /home/nuxil/.mythtv/mysql.txt and make sure it is ownes by you and not root |
| [16:27:10] | nuxil: | lemme try that |
| [16:27:27] | |Torg|: | ok but your not done |
| [16:28:53] | nuxil: | so what do i do more? |
| [16:29:05] | |Torg|: | now test if you can access mysql as mythtv |
| [16:29:14] | |Torg|: | type mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg |
| [16:29:30] | nuxil: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| [16:29:31] | |Torg|: | does it ask for a password? if so type mythtv |
| [16:29:43] | |Torg|: | you forogto to ass -p |
| [16:29:45] | |Torg|: | err add |
| [16:29:53] | |Torg|: | mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg |
| [16:30:15] | nuxil: | nop |
| [16:30:21] | |Torg|: | what error does it give you? |
| [16:30:45] | nuxil: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
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| [16:30:58] | |Torg|: | type mysql, nothing more does it give you a prompt? |
| [16:31:34] | nuxil: | no i get error |
| [16:31:39] | |Torg|: | what error? |
| [16:31:40] | nuxil: | sudo mysql |
| [16:31:40] | nuxil: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| [16:31:51] | nuxil: | same without sudo |
| [16:31:59] | |Torg|: | sudo makes no differnce |
| [16:32:07] | jackson: | |Torg|, I wonder if his distro mythpackage even created the database for him. |
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| [16:32:35] | |Torg|: | jackson: I doubnt it, it probbly crashed on reconfigure, he ignored the error, and his mysql is not installed fully |
| [16:33:59] | |Torg|: | nuxil what OS do you run? I assume is debian based becase you were using apt- commands |
| [16:34:42] | nuxil: | yes,, kubuntu |
| [16:35:04] | nuxil: | i tried ther wiki. it didnt help me |
| [16:35:23] | |Torg|: | type dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server |
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| [16:35:43] | nuxil: | i see i have no libpam-mysql installed,, its used to some auth |
| [16:36:11] | Dagmar: | libpam-mysql will not help you. |
| [16:36:17] | nuxil: | do i need it ? |
| [16:36:27] | nuxil: | good |
| [16:36:45] | |Torg|: | libpam-mysql is PAM module authenticaiton for mysql server, it will only confuse you more if you install it |
| [16:37:25] | |Torg|: | what verison of mysql do you have? what else do you have in mysql? |
| [16:37:48] | |Torg|: | and what, according to whatever wiki, did you do to mysql as in what passwords did you set, etc |
| [16:38:34] | nuxil: | v.5 |
| [16:39:08] | |Torg|: | did any of the wikis you use tell you to type in any database commands? speciflcy did any of them tell you to change the root password? |
| [16:39:31] | nuxil: | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MysqlPasswo . . . =%28mysql%29 |
| [16:40:17] | |Torg|: | do yuou DID chgange the password, do you know what you canged it to? |
| [16:41:05] | nuxil: | when i change pw i set it to the same |
| [16:41:20] | |Torg|: | ok type mysql -u root -p |
| [16:41:28] | |Torg|: | and put in the password, do you have that? |
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| [16:42:06] | nuxil: | yes i have it |
| [16:42:10] | nuxil: | im in a prompt now |
| [16:42:34] | |Torg|: | type show databases; dont forget the semicolon |
| [16:42:53] | |Torg|: | is mythconverg amongst them? |
| [16:43:03] | nuxil: | ehh |
| [16:43:12] | |Torg|: | is it? |
| [16:43:25] | nuxil: | ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'database' at line 1 |
| [16:43:31] | nuxil: | yes |
| [16:43:37] | |Torg|: | type "show datases;" |
| [16:43:40] | |Torg|: | without the quites |
| [16:43:48] | nuxil: | i did |
| [16:44:03] | |Torg|: | plural, is mythconverg there? |
| [16:44:05] | iamlindoro__: | you typed "database" instead of "databases," according to your error.. |
| [16:44:35] | nuxil: | ops :p sry for that |
| [16:45:14] | nuxil: | its not thwere |
| [16:45:36] | |Torg|: | type quit; the semicolon is not mandatory but you still should use it |
| [16:45:41] | nuxil: | i guess it needs to be added' |
| [16:46:03] | |Torg|: | you will add it, or rahter a premade script will, quit out of mysql command line |
| [16:46:24] | nuxil: | yes |
| [16:46:58] | |Torg|: | now type find / -name mc.sql |
| [16:48:01] | nuxil: | /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql |
| [16:49:42] | |Torg|: | now type mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql |
| [16:49:52] | |Torg|: | and give it the root password when it asks |
| [16:50:04] | |Torg|: | make SURE you use < and not > |
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| [16:52:39] | |Torg|: | hmm did mysql crash eth0 |
| [16:53:16] | iamlindoro__: | If there was a way he'd find it |
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| [16:55:04] | |Torg|: | you know what cant mysql jsut tel you the databse dosnt exist rather then act like your password is wrong |
| [16:56:02] | jackson: | |Torg|, perhaps it might have been easier just to 'ls /var/lib/mysql' to see if the mythconverg db dir exists. |
| [16:56:29] | |Torg|: | jackson: good idea, I ofnte take the hard way arround :) |
| [16:57:23] | jackson: | I don't often play with other distors, however is /var/lib/mysql/ pretty standard? |
| [16:57:27] | |Torg|: | but also consider if he has the datbase, the next step would be the check the users table |
| [16:58:31] | |Torg|: | its set in my.cnf. I dont know as I dont use mysql on anything other the linux, and in that case only in my own personal use |
| [16:58:43] | |Torg|: | every other database I use, see, or inteact with is Oracle |
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| [16:59:44] | tonyr1988: | My tuner has a coax and composite input....I've got it hooked to my cable w/ Myth just fine. My crappy TV only has enough for either my Mythbox or my Wii, so I have to constantly change cables. Can I hook the Wii into my tuner and just set it as an input connection, or is it more complicated than that? |
| [17:00:19] | iamlindoro__: | The delay that would introduce would make games impossible |
| [17:00:23] | iamlindoro__: | and really, really annoying |
| [17:00:54] | tonyr1988: | iamlindoro: Gotcha – I figured there would be something I didn't think of. |
| [17:00:57] | jackson: | iamlindoro_, well, he doesn't have to use myth for wii play, he could use tvtime where there won't be a delay. |
| [17:01:15] | |Torg|: | you could jsut buy a video switch |
| [17:01:34] | tonyr1988: | jackson: Would tvtime be entirely independent of myth, or would I need to set myth's inputs still? |
| [17:01:44] | iamlindoro__: | jackson, personally, I find even the slight delay present even when using tvtime make "twitch" style games impossible |
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| [17:02:00] | |Torg|: | twitch? |
| [17:02:25] | iamlindoro__: | |Torg|, Games which rely on a high degree of hand-eye coordination |
| [17:02:36] | jackson: | I didn't have any ill effects when using xbox->capturecard->tvtime when playing racing games or halo. |
| [17:02:42] | tonyr1988: | Also, it's the PVR150 (hardware encoding) – I've heard that tvtime doesn't have MPEG2 decoding...would that be a problem? |
| [17:02:46] | |Torg|: | ahh like UT3 |
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| [17:03:00] | iamlindoro__: | jackson, then you're more tolerant of delay-- but it's still present when going that route |
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| [17:03:25] | iamlindoro__: | tonyr1988, tvtime doesn't work with ivtv cards (pvr-150 included) |
| [17:03:36] | jackson: | it's at least something that he could easily try. but I do like |Torg|'s suggestion of a little hardware video switch :) |
| [17:03:49] | tonyr1988: | iamlindoro: Gotcha. |
| [17:04:03] | tonyr1988: | Yeah, I may just get a switch....I just like the idea of not having to leave my house. ;) |
| [17:04:19] | iamlindoro__: | that said, it's perfectly possible to bypass the hardware encoder in the pvr-150... that's what /dev/video32 is-- raw video prior to entering the encoder. |
| [17:04:53] | tonyr1988: | Really? Sweet – do I need something special to "unlock" the /dev/video32 (like in udev), or just use it instead of /dev/video0? |
| [17:04:53] | iamlindoro__: | you'd just have to display it via mplayer using that dev node-- sort of a pain in the ass command line, but doable |
| [17:05:20] | iamlindoro__: | nothing necessary to unlock, should just be present in a ls /dev/video* |
| [17:05:27] | tonyr1988: | There's also a video24...any idea what that's about? |
| [17:05:31] | iamlindoro__: | audio |
| [17:05:43] | tonyr1988: | video32 = raw video, video24 = raw audio? |
| [17:05:49] | iamlindoro__: | yup |
| [17:06:00] | tonyr1988: | Gotcha – thanks for the help. I think I'm gonna mess around with this just for fun. |
| [17:06:07] | tonyr1988: | I've already learned something....it can't hurt. |
| [17:06:13] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . 88;list=ivtv |
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| [17:08:11] | tonyr1988: | iamlindoro: Oh, that is awesome. Stupid question: what is ivtv, and do I already have it? |
| [17:08:17] | tonyr1988: | (as in, is it a dep. of myth?) |
| [17:08:29] | iamlindoro__: | ivtv is the suite of drivers and programs that runs PVR-150 and similar cards |
| [17:08:30] | tonyr1988: | It's a driver or something, right? |
| [17:08:39] | tonyr1988: | Cool. |
| [17:08:44] | |Torg|: | not or something |
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| [17:17:01] | plb: | hm anyone use zap2xml script? |
| [17:17:08] | plb: | er n,m |
| [17:17:11] | plb: | site is back up |
| [17:17:50] | elprespufferfish: | am i alloewd to ask about 0.21 in here? |
| [17:18:00] | |Torg|: | why shoudnt you be? |
| [17:18:11] | iamlindoro__: | "When it's ready. Soon." |
| [17:18:13] | ** Dagmar knows. ** | |
| [17:18:14] | elprespufferfish: | some channels dont like prerelease talk :D |
| [17:18:23] | Dagmar: | THAT question you are not allowed to ask. |
| [17:18:40] | |Torg|: | the only question I think that can not be answered about it is when wil it be ready |
| [17:18:51] | elprespufferfish: | well i just can't get mythvideo compiled |
| [17:18:58] | |Torg|: | you can go use it now if you like, pre-release |
| [17:19:08] | elprespufferfish: | it keeps looking for -lmyth-0.20 |
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| [17:19:23] | tonyr1988: | I got my Wii hooked up to my mythbox, and realized that I have no way of getting audio. :( |
| [17:19:26] | Dagmar: | "it" being what |
| [17:19:29] | |Torg|: | did you install mythtv first, befoer you compiled mythplugins? |
| [17:19:41] | Dagmar: | tonyr1988: You play a lot of trivia games? |
| [17:19:55] | tonyr1988: | Dagmar: I'm confused – not really? |
| [17:19:56] | elprespufferfish: | |Torg|, yes |
| [17:20:06] | Dagmar: | tonyr1988: You have a framegrabber card then? |
| [17:20:20] | tonyr1988: | Dagmar: Not sure...I have a PVR150 |
| [17:20:22] | |Torg|: | elprespufferfish: did you install it somewhere else then what mythplugins is looking for? |
| [17:20:31] | Dagmar: | Then you should just unhook the Wii from the Myth box. |
| [17:20:40] | elprespufferfish: | |Torg|, mythgallery, mythmusic installed just fine |
| [17:20:43] | iamlindoro__: | Dagmar, I showed him how to bypass the encoder-- he's more or less using it in framegrabber mode |
| [17:20:45] | Dagmar: | Encoding the video to mpg introduces about 1.5 seconds of LAG in the video. |
| [17:20:49] | Dagmar: | Ah okay |
| [17:21:10] | tonyr1988: | Yeah, I've got it feeding directly into MPLayer |
| [17:21:16] | Dagmar: | In that case just use the composite output left and right outputs with a similar cable to the line input on the MythTV |
| [17:21:20] | |Torg|: | elprespufferfish: then libmyth is not what its crashing on, when you did a configure did it tell you it was not going to be built? |
| [17:21:25] | tonyr1988: | But...no where to plug audio in, so I'd have to buy something else anyway...might as well get a switch box. |
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| [17:21:44] | elprespufferfish: | |Torg|, its mythvideo will be built |
| [17:21:49] | elprespufferfish: | |Torg|, it says* |
| [17:21:51] | Dagmar: | Your machine doesn't have a line input for sound? |
| [17:21:59] | tonyr1988: | Dagmar: Not that I can see. |
| [17:22:04] | Dagmar: | That's just weird. |
| [17:22:12] | |Torg|: | elprespufferfish: when it compiled mythvideo I assume it giave you an error, pastebin that error output |
| [17:22:19] | iamlindoro__: | tonyr1988, Huh? All pvr-150s have audio ins on them |
| [17:22:20] | tonyr1988: | Dagmar: Yellow = Video, right? |
| [17:22:24] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [17:22:29] | Dagmar: | Red==Right |
| [17:22:35] | Dagmar: | White==Anyone's Guess |
| [17:22:45] | |Torg|: | White ==Left |
| [17:22:48] | Dagmar: | ...there's not much left it could be tho |
| [17:22:49] | tonyr1988: | Dagmar: That's the only one I see on my PVR150. It's hard to see the back completely, though...let me look again. |
| [17:22:54] | Dagmar: | Thanks for fucking up the joke, Torq |
| [17:23:01] | |Torg|: | :P |
| [17:23:09] | iamlindoro__: | tonyr1988, If you have the cheapest model of pvr-150, the audio ins are a minijack (stereo audio jack) |
| [17:23:12] | tonyr1988: | lol |
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| [17:23:25] | elprespufferfish: | |Torg|, http://pastebin.com/m4fbbd899 does that help? |
| [17:23:31] | tonyr1988: | Yeah – that's what I mean, I don't have any RCA-in (or whatever it's technically called....the audio part of a composite cable) |
| [17:23:39] | |Torg|: | Dagmar: im sorry I dindt know it was a joke |
| [17:23:51] | Dagmar: | tonyr1988: So how were you planning on getting sound out of the Wii at all? |
| [17:23:56] | iamlindoro__: | tonyr1988, because on your pvr-150 it's a MINIJACK |
| [17:23:59] | Dagmar: | It's not like it has an internal speaker |
| [17:24:00] | iamlindoro__: | like headphones |
| [17:24:14] | iamlindoro__: | probably the bottommost or second to bottommost connector on the card |
| [17:24:27] | |Torg|: | elprespufferfish: do you have /usr/local/lib/libmyth-0.20.so? |
| [17:24:35] | tonyr1988: | Exactly...I didn't think about that ahead of time....I assumed it had an audio jack (I didn't know it was mini) |
| [17:25:04] | iamlindoro__: | So you *have* it, just don't have a cable compatible with it-- Radio Shack ftw! |
| [17:25:09] | elprespufferfish: | |Torg|, no, i have libmyth-0.21.so . which is what i would imagine i would want to use the prereleases |
| [17:25:11] | Dagmar: | Dear god no |
| [17:25:23] | tonyr1988: | Wait a minute, I may have something..... |
| [17:25:29] | HEP85: | Anyone here using mythbuntu 8.04 alpha 2? |
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| [17:25:31] | |Torg|: | elprespufferfish: we CALL it 0.21 its rally still 0.20 |
| [17:25:47] | |Torg|: | even 0.20.2 is stil 0.20 |
| [17:26:12] | iamlindoro__: | HEP85, On a non-production computer, yes. I strongly urge you not to rely on it for myth, though... |
| [17:26:15] | elprespufferfish: | |Torg|, why did mythmusic and mythgallery install fine then? |
| [17:26:16] | |Torg|: | and specificly if you install mythtv after compiling it, it will install that lib for you |
| [17:26:33] | tonyr1988: | Yes – it works! |
| [17:26:56] | tonyr1988: | I didn't tell you guys something earlier, because it would've made things more confusing.... |
| [17:27:00] | |Torg|: | elprespufferfish: I dont really know, I can gues sit is becae they do not require the lib. I have never tried to compile without first installing mythtv tho, so I am not certain |
| [17:27:08] | HEP85: | iamlindoro: that's why I'm asking. Just wanted to hear some experiences from users. |
| [17:27:09] | iamlindoro__: | That you were born a woman? |
| [17:27:20] | iamlindoro__: | HEP85, It's not stable. At all. Alpha is no joke. |
| [17:27:24] | tonyr1988: | iamlindoro: haha – nice one. |
| [17:27:26] | elprespufferfish: | |Torg|, i do have mythtv installed |
| [17:27:35] | tonyr1988: | My Mythbox is hooked to my TV via S-Video. On my TV, S-Video and Composite are on the same input, so I couldn't have both playing at the same time. |
| [17:27:42] | elprespufferfish: | |Torg|, it installed libmyth-0.21.so |
| [17:27:47] | |Torg|: | elprespufferfish: I did not ask if you HAD it insstalled, I asked did you compile mythtv and install it |
| [17:27:48] | tonyr1988: | But....my TV lets me do S-Video Input and the Composite Audio Input at the same time. |
| [17:28:06] | tonyr1988: | But yes, I was born a woman as well – you have a problem with it!?!? |
| [17:28:09] | iamlindoro__: | tonyr1988, as any tv with s-video would-- since s-video carries no audio |
| [17:28:15] | |Torg|: | elprespufferfish: to compile svn code you MUST get matching mythtv and mythplkugins, you MUST compile mythtv and install it FIRST |
| [17:28:38] | elprespufferfish: | |Torg|, yes, i compiled and installed it |
| [17:28:46] | HEP85: | iamlindoro: Well, although I know what alpha means, there is sometimes software which is less alpha like other, if you know what I mean |
| [17:28:59] | iamlindoro__: | HEP85, This is real honest-to-goodness alpha |
| [17:29:04] | |Torg|: | do you have /usr/local/lib/libmythtv-2,20.so? |
| [17:29:09] | tonyr1988: | iamlindoro: Yeah, I just didn't think about ripping the cable apart and doing that. |
| [17:29:10] | |Torg|: | err |
| [17:29:10] | HEP85: | iamlindoro: But if you got it installed and say it is not stable. I will surely not try it |
| [17:29:14] | iamlindoro__: | The kind of alpha that knocks up your sister and drinks all your booze |
| [17:29:16] | |Torg|: | do you have /usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so? |
| [17:29:40] | elprespufferfish: | |Torg|, no |
| [17:30:00] | |Torg|: | elprespufferfish: then you did not install the compilled mythtv |
| [17:30:18] | iamlindoro__: | HEP85, For desktop playaround use, it's fine-- but the constanr barrage of updates, hundreds of megs every few days, will surely bork a mythbox |
| [17:30:48] | iamlindoro__: | not to mention constant reinstalling of nVidia drivers, the fact that firefox beta 3 is the default and barely works, etc. |
| [17:31:02] | |Torg|: | what is HEP85? |
| [17:31:22] | iamlindoro__: | It's the version of Hepatitis I caught from that pond in Venezuela |
| [17:32:00] | HEP85: | it is not really that bad |
| [17:32:10] | HEP85: | in fact it is just... |
| [17:32:18] | HEP85: | me |
| [17:32:55] | |Torg|: | elprespufferfish: I understnad you belive you installed the compiled mythtv. But the proof, the installed files, are not there. Perhaps you installed it elesewhere, or you think you installed it but did not. I have made that mistake before. Simply reinstall your compiled mythtv again |
| [17:34:18] | Dagmar: | or perhaps KnoppMyth |
| [17:35:34] | elprespufferfish: | |Torg|, using a newer revision of mythvideo seems to have worked |
| [17:35:52] | iamlindoro__: | ooooooh, mismatched revisions bad |
| [17:36:09] | |Torg|: | elprespufferfish: I assure you it was a failure to instral the coresponding mythtv compilaiton, you mismatched veriosns its bad |
| [17:36:25] | |Torg|: | I have personnly downloaded mythtv and mythplugs right afterward adn gotten two differnt veriosns |
| [17:36:57] | |Torg|: | you have to make sure they are the same verison, same revision and MUST compile and install mythttv first |
| [17:37:14] | |Torg|: | failure to do wo will result in exactly the error you get, problems with libmythtv-soemthing |
| [17:37:35] | iamlindoro__: | You have no chance to survive make your time... |
| [17:39:41] | elprespufferfish: | |Torg|, thank you for your help |
| [17:40:47] | |Torg|: | np |
| [17:42:41] | |Torg|: | hmm I have two exact model disks, with exact same dimenstions and geomtery, but have differing inode and block count, anyone have any ideas why? |
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| [17:43:13] | Dagmar: | Becuase identical model numbers != identical |
| [17:43:18] | tonyr1988: | I'm still trying to get MPlayer to work with my raw video feed. It ends with "Audio: no sound" and "Starting playback...V: 0.0 0/ 0 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0" before exiting. Any ideas? |
| [17:43:41] | |Torg|: | yes Dagmar its what I suspect, but they ahve the same firmware as well |
| [17:43:51] | iamlindoro__: | tonyr1988, since it's not really a myth issue, #mplayer may be the better palce to check |
| [17:43:55] | iamlindoro__: | er placce |
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| [17:44:19] | tonyr1988: | iamlindoro: Thanks – it's on Freenode? |
| [17:44:44] | iamlindoro__: | yup-- also might want to try adding -ao null to your mplayer args |
| [17:45:18] | iamlindoro__: | since you're not passing the audio to mplayer anyway |
| [17:45:25] | tonyr1988: | iamlindoro: Thanks |
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| [17:58:56] | javatexan: | my nice programs running as root are still not nice enough to let normal user programs interrupt it. I have set the nice of the root run programs to the nice 20 and running top I see that the program's PRI is 39 and its NICE is 19, but my normal user programs are still running too far below that to interrupt it? The normal user programs are mplayer, etc so they skip and sound bad. Any ideas? |
| [18:00:33] | |Torg|: | get a faster cpu |
| [18:00:43] | javatexan: | wont work |
| [18:00:51] | elprespufferfish: | any idea why mythgallery can't view a couple albums of my images? they should all be the same type of JPEG |
| [18:00:52] | javatexan: | its a 2.2 G core duo |
| [18:01:00] | javatexan: | good try though |
| [18:01:26] | |Torg|: | if your programs cant get enough proiroty on yoru CPU it is a threadding issue |
| [18:01:37] | iamlindoro__: | what in god's name are you running in the background on that machine that prevents movie playback? |
| [18:01:41] | |Torg|: | either you dont have a large enough trhead pool or the threads are too slow |
| [18:01:54] | |Torg|: | afast, more cpus, or make then do less. There is no magic potion to fix that |
| [18:02:07] | javatexan: | ffmpeg...what else is there |
| [18:02:27] | iamlindoro__: | Torg, give ffmpeg fewer threads then |
| [18:02:30] | javatexan: | i am guessing that the priority of normal users is not high enough to offset |
| [18:02:37] | iamlindoro__: | er sorry |
| [18:02:41] | iamlindoro__: | that was for javatexan |
| [18:02:46] | javatexan: | okay |
| [18:03:07] | iamlindoro__: | you can also pass -lavdopts threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all to mplayer if necessary |
| [18:03:17] | javatexan: | right now I love that it uses 178% of the cpu when I am not using mythtv to view something....but...... |
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| [18:28:43] | elprespufferfish: | can anybody help me get mythgallery to recognize some JPGs? |
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| [18:36:25] | directhex: | is it something as basic as it not liking JPG files but liking jpg files? |
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| [18:40:25] | elprespufferfish: | they're all .JPG |
| [18:41:17] | CCFL_Man2: | music choice seemed to have moved from G15 to G14 and is now in the clear |
| [18:41:21] | elprespufferfish: | oh. theyre not world readable |
| [18:42:08] | |Torg|: | who are the owned by? |
| [18:42:33] | directhex: | i have to :rolleyes: you now |
| [18:42:55] | |Torg|: | Im assuming you copied them via samba and its umask set it to be owner/group only |
| [18:42:55] | elprespufferfish: | i have no idea why only some albums had different rights |
| [18:42:57] | elprespufferfish: | how silly of me |
| [18:43:02] | |Torg|: | probbly made it executable too, |
| [18:43:35] | |Torg|: | tar will result in permissions that arnt yours, or worse have corespinding uids |
| [18:44:06] | |Torg|: | Windows does not use unix permissions, so any samba mounted directory has fake permissions |
| [18:44:06] | elprespufferfish: | now to fix this free video buffer error |
| [18:44:28] | |Torg|: | what is the error, exactly? |
| [18:44:46] | elprespufferfish: | NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers. |
| [18:45:25] | |Torg|: | it is usualy from misinstalled video drivers, bad xvmc setup, etc |
| [18:45:51] | |Torg|: | you should see a major and minor number along with those errors |
| [18:46:00] | elprespufferfish: | 2008-02–29 13:43:41.261 NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers. |
| [18:46:02] | elprespufferfish: | that's it |
| [18:46:17] | elprespufferfish: | there are also some more errors intertwined with them |
| [18:46:19] | |Torg|: | yes, there are probbly multiple ones |
| [18:46:31] | |Torg|: | pastebin the whole thing |
| [18:47:08] | elprespufferfish: | i will the next time it happens |
| [18:47:12] | elprespufferfish: | i dont know how to reproduce it |
| [18:47:37] | elprespufferfish: | i tried turning off xvmc though, maybe that will fix it |
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| [18:48:13] | |Torg|: | you can reporoduce the erorrs simply by watching a video, usualy somethings from recorded |
| [18:48:24] | |Torg|: | if I had to make a guess, I would say xvmc is not working correctly |
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| [18:48:36] | |Torg|: | did you try to use opengl with a Nvidia card? |
| [18:48:51] | elprespufferfish: | |Torg|, yes, i'm using opengl + nvidia, but it's always worked before |
| [18:49:21] | |Torg|: | well at least in my experiacne it gives you worse performance or fails to play video |
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| [18:50:07] | |Torg|: | there is a wiki pag about differnt users expeicance with it at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC |
| [18:50:30] | elprespufferfish: | i've read it |
| [18:50:35] | elprespufferfish: | it shouldn't have been enabled anyways |
| [18:50:39] | elprespufferfish: | i have more than enough cpu |
| [18:50:56] | |Torg|: | I have a older Geforce 5900 so chromakey worked for me, but when I upgraded to the quad core it has pci express and I use a 7700 on which cromakey does not work |
| [18:51:26] | |Torg|: | for the most part I can still use libmpeg over xvmc, altho xvmc takes about 40% cpu and libmpeg takes about 60% |
| [18:51:40] | |Torg|: | I can not play 1080I h264 without xvmc |
| [18:51:48] | elprespufferfish: | any idea what NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times. means? |
| [18:51:57] | elprespufferfish: | i don't have any HD video |
| [18:51:59] | elprespufferfish: | so no problem s;D |
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| [18:52:34] | |Torg|: | yes it means it attempted to write tohe video card and could not |
| [18:52:45] | |Torg|: | i.e. can not display video |
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| [18:56:24] | elprespufferfish: | now to figure out why fast forward broke |
| [18:57:38] | |Torg|: | on recordd stuff or on vieos you uploaded? |
| [18:58:33] | elprespufferfish: | videos |
| [18:58:37] | elprespufferfish: | i dont have any recordings |
| [18:59:14] | |Torg|: | the inability to seek in videos is generally the problem with the video, it lacks indexing |
| [18:59:24] | |Torg|: | VERY common for the half assed shit you get from torrents |
| [18:59:29] | elprespufferfish: | works fine @ 3x |
| [18:59:31] | elprespufferfish: | 5x and above dies |
| [18:59:36] | elprespufferfish: | or so i recall |
| [19:00:49] | elprespufferfish: | open a movie, ff to 5x and : http://pastebin.com/m147eeb6b |
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| [19:02:49] | |Torg|: | vxmc is working |
| [19:03:14] | |Torg|: | the video I belive is mismatched size to what you are displaying in X tho |
| [19:03:32] | |Torg|: | the only real issue I can see is it telling you that bob wont work becase of your dubble frame rate |
| [19:03:38] | elprespufferfish: | X is 1366x768. the movie is 640x480 |
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| [19:03:55] | elprespufferfish: | i don't see an error anyways. it just dies when i hit 5x fast forward |
| [19:04:02] | |Torg|: | yes set it up to change resolutions when you play video |
| [19:04:26] | |Torg|: | 2008-02–29 13:59:51.874 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Texture' <-- is xvmc working |
| [19:04:48] | |Torg|: | 2008-02–29 13:59:51.971 OSD Theme Dimensions W: 640 H: 480 <-- is the video size |
| [19:05:06] | |Torg|: | It looks as it is having problems scaling |
| [19:05:13] | elprespufferfish: | it plays just fine though |
| [19:05:40] | |Torg|: | ok, then what i the problem? |
| [19:05:53] | elprespufferfish: | fast forwarding at 5x |
| [19:05:57] | elprespufferfish: | playing, ff at 3x work |
| [19:06:14] | |Torg|: | I dont know why then, I could guess that fast forward + resize is killing it |
| [19:07:07] | elprespufferfish: | know how to fix audio buffer overflows ? |
| [19:07:29] | |Torg|: | enable extra buffering mostly, I got a new audio card |
| [19:08:01] | elprespufferfish: | i have extra audio buffering enabled |
| [19:08:39] | |Torg|: | Im stil thinking this is trash n whatever video you have, I watch HD tv just fine on mine with those settings |
| [19:08:49] | |Torg|: | I dont watch much video as I dont have much video to watch |
| [19:09:15] | |Torg|: | but you would be hard pressed to find tow videos with the same codecs even fromt eh same release team |
| [19:09:33] | |Torg|: | its sorta like, you get what you pay for |
| [19:10:16] | elprespufferfish: | i ripped all of these movies myself |
| [19:10:16] | elprespufferfish: | using mythdvd as it happens |
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| [19:12:09] | |Torg|: | then I really dont know, like I said I dont watch much videos |
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| [19:19:27] | elprespufferfish: | oh well |
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| [19:30:47] | GreyFoxx: | Wow, that HD-PVR thread turned into a bitch at gmail rant pretty quick |
| [19:31:58] | Dagmar: | Someone trying to store their videos in their gmail account or osmething? |
| [19:32:23] | GreyFoxx: | Rants about gmails hiding of quoted text in email replies and defaulting to topposting and such |
| [19:32:40] | GreyFoxx: | reading crap like that hurts my brain too much so I skipped most of it :) |
| [19:35:05] | |Torg|: | so they are bitching about google mail? |
| [19:35:45] | GreyFoxx: | it turned into that :) |
| [19:36:07] | |Torg|: | all I see is stuff about quoted text being hidden, that and someone asking about RCA inputs |
| [19:36:38] | |Torg|: | I generally only read the users list for anecdotal infomraiotn |
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| [19:37:55] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, I occasionally interjected something relevant but have given up |
| [19:37:56] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [19:37:58] | clever: | my mythweb is taking ages to load the recording list |
| [19:38:09] | clever: | mostly waiting for 50000 /usr/local/bin/mythbackend --generate-preview 0x0 --chanid 1004 --starttime 20080123002900 |
| [19:38:12] | clever: | calls to finish |
| [19:38:14] | |Torg|: | its probably generating thumnails |
| [19:38:38] | clever: | and its refusing to even do 2 at once so the system is idling over 50% of the time |
| [19:39:00] | clever: | all the time is spent waiting on network delays |
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| [19:40:44] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro is that screen cap you posted to the users list from your mplayer? |
| [19:41:05] | iamlindoro__: | Torg, yeah |
| [19:41:23] | GreyFoxx: | Do you remember what they are expected to retail for ? |
| [19:41:27] | iamlindoro__: | $250 |
| [19:41:29] | GreyFoxx: | ouch |
| [19:41:32] | |Torg|: | I got that for maybe a few frams before it died, im assuming anyting I get from apt is out of date |
| [19:41:38] | GreyFoxx: | if they were $100 I'd buy 2 |
| [19:41:44] | GreyFoxx: | at $250 it's a hardsell |
| [19:42:05] | iamlindoro__: | |Torg|, Yeah, I played with it on the repos version of myth, just get junk... SVN seems to work "ok" though... audio sync issues but that's better than nothing |
| [19:42:35] | iamlindoro__: | I think I'm gonna be in the market for 3ish... will take the hit once to escape the cable companies grasp |
| [19:42:43] | |Torg|: | who is reponsible fopr roing mplayer updates into myth? |
| [19:42:57] | GreyFoxx: | you mean ffmpeg I assume ?:) |
| [19:43:00] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro dishnet too, its why I want one |
| [19:43:06] | GreyFoxx: | the last couple have been janneg |
| [19:43:30] | GreyFoxx: | I can get Starchoice here for $34.95 a month, includes 28 HDTV channels |
| [19:43:45] | iamlindoro__: | From my discussion w/ the ffmpeg-dev list, I tihnk it's more likely we'll see tweaks necessary to handle the modified Transport Stream on the myth side than on the ffmpeg side at first |
| [19:43:48] | GreyFoxx: | so with a pair of receivers and a paire of hd-pvr's I'd be happy |
| [19:43:51] | |Torg|: | yes GreyFoxx im a infrastrucure guy, to me its the software that playes video/mplayer==ffmpeg in my mind |
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| [19:44:01] | |Torg|: | I knwo there differnt, I jsut tend to lump them together |
| [19:44:33] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro as far as I could tell the transport stream was fine, its what was in it I had problems with |
| [19:44:53] | |Torg|: | the audio claimed not to have any sync signals and the video keps compaling of PAFF |
| [19:45:44] | iamlindoro__: | |Torg|, I'm inclined to believe mkrufky when he says it's non-standard... also, running it through a TS analyzer returns some results that it doesn't know what to do with |
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| [19:46:29] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro I am not disagrring with him or with you. Like you I would defer to what he said. I am just saying as far as I could see the ts was ok |
| [19:46:38] | |Torg|: | I dont have a ts analyser to really tell tho |
| [19:46:38] | GreyFoxx: | well, I can seek around in mkv files now |
| [19:46:41] | iamlindoro__: | So I think mplayer/ffmpeg can half-ass their way through it, but if we want to see actual processing of the streams and transcoding, there are going to need to be some changes |
| [19:46:45] | GreyFoxx: | but it has serious issues :) |
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| [19:47:21] | mkrufky: | hey |
| [19:47:23] | iamlindoro__: | The quick quick way of knowing that it's not kosher is ffmpeg -i hdpvr.ts -acodec copy -vcodec copy output.ts |
| [19:47:29] | iamlindoro__: | which makes ffmpeg cry like a little girl :) |
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| [19:47:39] | mkrufky: | just analyzing the stream isnt enough |
| [19:47:41] | |Torg|: | and I sort of wonder what the reasoning behind making a chip that did the non-standard stuff anyway |
| [19:47:42] | iamlindoro__: | hey speak of the devil |
| [19:47:50] | mkrufky: | is you play it back, you'll see it is not handled properly |
| [19:48:01] | mkrufky: | (thats what happens when you say my name, iamlindoro__) |
| [19:48:10] | mkrufky: | S/IS/IF |
| [19:48:32] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, yeah, audio sync issues even in yesterdays mplayer SVN.... video and audio are at least playable, though, so it's step |
| [19:48:39] | mkrufky: | ok |
| [19:48:50] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, was only running it through an analyzer to see if I could begin to determine differences |
| [19:49:09] | iamlindoro__: | but my knowledge of such things is limited so perhaps it's a moot point :) |
| [19:49:46] | |Torg|: | can I upgrade ffmpeg without mplayer? |
| [19:49:51] | iamlindoro__: | sure |
| [19:50:04] | mkrufky: | my knowledge of it is even more limiting — i know how the hardware works, and i take its output and feed a dshow filter and the stream looks fine at that point..... exactly WHAT is dont in that dshow filter is an unknown to me |
| [19:50:09] | iamlindoro__: | mplayer svn fetches ffmpeg as part of the svn co |
| [19:50:16] | mkrufky: | s/dont/sone |
| [19:50:18] | mkrufky: | argh |
| [19:50:18] | mkrufky: | done |
| [19:50:56] | iamlindoro__: | hmmm |
| [19:51:11] | |Torg|: | mkrufky: I wasnt complaining about what you do. I was jsut commenting on the enginner that made whaever chip is in it. Why make one that does not put out a known standard |
| [19:51:23] | mkrufky: | eheh calm down guys |
| [19:51:28] | mkrufky: | no offense taken :-) |
| [19:52:17] | mkrufky: | as i understand it, its a mix between two known standards that dont really belong together |
| [19:52:36] | mkrufky: | mpeg2 container with h264 inside, something sounds like it should be right, but just isnt |
| [19:53:00] | |Torg|: | and I sort of doubt at this late stage that someone would change it |
| [19:53:33] | |Torg|: | see why you need real world beta testers :) |
| [19:53:46] | iamlindoro__: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008 . . . /213262.html |
| [19:53:47] | iamlindoro__: | EW |
| [19:53:57] | iamlindoro__: | HD component capture with MJPEG2000??? |
| [19:54:16] | mkrufky: | |Torg|: it works in our software |
| [19:54:18] | mkrufky: | heheheh |
| [19:54:20] | iamlindoro__: | I mean, sounds open source friendly but chalk me up as skeptical |
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| [19:54:37] | mkrufky: | look at it this way — i see a problem, and thats why i decided to leak out these streams NOW |
| [19:54:52] | mkrufky: | so that the stream can be decoded before we even have to worry about a driver |
| [19:55:01] | iamlindoro__: | (previous comments relate to that thread, by the way, not the current discussion) |
| [19:55:05] | Frosty: | On MythVideo/Mplayer is it possible to find the associated external subtitle from in a seperate folder? like ./subtitles/ |
| [19:55:46] | |Torg|: | mkrufky: I am greatfull you did, but I am simply an end user, not a devloper. Hopefully someone can use it to be proactive |
| [19:56:36] | mkrufky: | :- |
| [19:56:38] | mkrufky: | :-/ |
| [19:56:40] | |Torg|: | what I personnly want a mpeg2+ac3 capture, I want that because that is what I get off atsc now. But like I said yesterday, I doubt many would agree with me |
| [19:56:54] | mkrufky: | well, hopefully the upload to mplayerhq will lead to something |
| [19:57:19] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, Their current comments appear to be "Meh, looks fine to me." :-/ |
| [19:57:46] | mkrufky: | based on that ^ i conclude that either a) they're using trunk and it *does* work |
| [19:57:47] | mkrufky: | or |
| [19:57:59] | mkrufky: | b) hey analyzed the stream but didnt actually try to play it |
| [19:58:03] | mkrufky: | ^They |
| [19:58:08] | ** mkrufky keyboard suxxx ** | |
| [19:58:18] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, I went to yesterday's SVN, can't even copy the streams to a new container-- I would call that broken |
| [19:58:52] | mkrufky: | there's an ffmpeg dshow filter for windows somewhere, right? |
| [19:59:01] | ** mkrufky googles ** | |
| [19:59:13] | iamlindoro__: | I think it suffers from only-occasional updates though |
| [19:59:29] | iamlindoro__: | ffdshow or something |
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| [20:00:09] | mkrufky: | ok, i'll try to hook up the ffdshow filters to an hdpvr transport now |
| [20:00:24] | Frosty: | www.free-codecs.com has compiled codecs for windows for ffdshow |
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| [20:00:40] | mkrufky: | latest alpha is from ocr '04 |
| [20:00:44] | mkrufky: | fump dat! |
| [20:00:52] | mkrufky: | ocTober, i meant |
| [20:01:01] | clever_: | 29 15:48:45 < clever> weee |
| [20:01:03] | clever_: | 29 15:48:53 < clever> even with the preview generate code in mythweb commented out |
| [20:01:05] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, There is a spinoff project from that one that is more recent |
| [20:01:05] | clever_: | 29 15:48:59 < clever> my backend still got f*cked! |
| [20:01:15] | iamlindoro__: | lemme see if I can dig it up |
| [20:01:20] | mkrufky: | ah, thanks Frosty i see it now |
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| [20:01:36] | iamlindoro__: | http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow-tryout/ |
| [20:01:37] | iamlindoro__: | I think |
| [20:02:50] | iamlindoro__: | ah, and here's yesterday's: http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_softw . . . /ffdshow.cfm |
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| [20:03:57] | GreyFoxx: | YES! working mkv seeking |
| [20:04:08] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, FYI this month some stuff was put into ffmpeg SVN that improved seeking on mpeg-2 TS's from BBC-HD which are h.264/AC-3... might have also helped HD-PVR stuff too |
| [20:04:17] | iamlindoro__: | This was all in the last week or so IIRC |
| [20:04:33] | GreyFoxx: | ok, if I can sleep up this mess and make sure it doesn't break anything I might get this into 0.21 |
| [20:04:38] | GreyFoxx: | s/sleep/clean |
| [20:04:42] | GreyFoxx: | I need some of that right now |
| [20:04:55] | iamlindoro__: | That said, I still can't copy the streams into a fresh container |
| [20:04:55] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, Nice! |
| [20:04:59] | iamlindoro__: | Congrats, know you've been working on that for a bit |
| [20:05:17] | GreyFoxx: | Poking at it for a week or so now yeah |
| [20:05:32] | GreyFoxx: | I started transcoding my dvd's to h264/AC3 in an mkv container :) |
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| [20:05:42] | GreyFoxx: | in anticipation of fixing it |
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| [20:06:40] | iamlindoro__: | What was the key bit to fixing it? |
| [20:07:15] | GreyFoxx: | the libav mkv demuxer doesn't fill in cur_dts and myth uses that for calculating how many frames to skip after a av_seek_Frame |
| [20:07:50] | GreyFoxx: | we were seeking and then trying to skip "by decoding first" hundreds of frames |
| [20:08:02] | iamlindoro__: | ahhh, that makes perfect sense |
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| [20:10:16] | GreyFoxx: | so I'll add in code to make exceptions if cur_dts isn't set |
| [20:10:44] | GreyFoxx: | works for my h264 mp4 enocde and my mkv |
| [20:11:07] | mkrufky: | ffdshow doesnt have a demux ?!? |
| [20:11:18] | runoff: | just fired up secondary backend and the PRV 150 is gone... setup screen says probe failed, shows in hardware list, any suggestions are welcomed...and Hello All |
| [20:13:38] | mkrufky: | so, i'm using my own demux, with the ffshow video decoder, and it pukes |
| [20:13:46] | mkrufky: | meh |
| [20:19:14] | ** mkrufky changes the subject ** | |
| [20:19:34] | mkrufky: | LOST fans, if you didnt see the orchid video, google it now |
| [20:19:47] | mkrufky: | we were supposed to have seen it over last summer |
| [20:20:03] | mkrufky: | and last night's episode is somewhat lacking if you dont know about THE ORCHID |
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| [20:21:58] | kristok: | anyone in here use Avermedia M179 cards? |
| [20:22:19] | iamlindoro__: | What in the hell is that video? |
| [20:22:25] | iamlindoro__: | wow, never saw that |
| [20:22:26] | mkrufky: | did u see it? |
| [20:22:26] | kristok: | I have a weird issue where the audio input on one of mine doesnt get set correctly |
| [20:22:37] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro__: not only the conscienceness |
| [20:22:39] | mkrufky: | :-D |
| [20:22:55] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, I haven't seen last night's show yet, just saw the orchid video right now |
| [20:23:00] | mkrufky: | oooooo |
| [20:23:08] | mkrufky: | ok, then |
| [20:23:13] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, Sounds like the second plane is maybe sorta explained that way, though |
| [20:23:56] | mkrufky: | the professor told marty mcfly NOT to touch the other marty mcfly |
| [20:24:01] | mkrufky: | (back to the future) |
| [20:24:20] | |Torg|: | do you have a link for the video? |
| [20:24:21] | iamlindoro__: | yup... two objects not occupying the same space blah blah I assume? |
| [20:24:27] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gERdALb5vQ |
| [20:24:34] | |Torg|: | thanks |
| [20:24:38] | iamlindoro__: | np |
| [20:24:42] | mkrufky: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI |
| [20:24:44] | mkrufky: | hehe |
| [20:24:48] | mkrufky: | probably the same |
| [20:24:58] | mkrufky: | i think so, iamlindoro |
| [20:25:00] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, I think so |
| [20:25:16] | mkrufky: | also interesting that it is numbered 23 |
| [20:26:02] | mkrufky: | anyway, this is on the season 3 DVD special features |
| [20:26:18] | mkrufky: | and was released on the internet last summer, after season 3 was over |
| [20:26:19] | iamlindoro__: | I think that scientist looks a little like miles... probably just a coincidence I guess |
| [20:26:39] | mkrufky: | nah, its the same professor hallowax from the swan and pearl videos |
| [20:26:48] | mkrufky: | but i think his name changes |
| [20:26:49] | iamlindoro__: | I know, but there is a certain physical resemblance |
| [20:27:00] | mkrufky: | and his twitch moves from his left eye to his right eye, etc |
| [20:27:10] | mkrufky: | heh, racist :-P |
| [20:27:24] | mkrufky: | (im just kidding ... sorry) |
| [20:27:29] | iamlindoro__: | awww, now don't say that |
| [20:27:39] | mkrufky: | yeah i realized that sarcasm doesnt fly well on irc |
| [20:27:40] | iamlindoro__: | s'ok |
| [20:27:45] | ** mkrufky takes it back ** | |
| [20:28:20] | ** iamlindoro__ suddenly wants to sneak out of work and watch LOST ** | |
| [20:28:55] | mkrufky: | two people from my office did that during lunch |
| [20:28:56] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [20:29:07] | mkrufky: | i brought it with me |
| [20:29:08] | iamlindoro__: | hehe, All Lost fans at Hauppauge, huh? |
| [20:29:10] | iamlindoro__: | ohh |
| [20:29:14] | mkrufky: | i can watch lost all day if i want |
| [20:29:36] | mkrufky: | sure.... im tweaking the decoding filter.... yeah, thats right |
| [20:38:18] | directhex: | i have dreamed a dream, and now that dream is taken from me |
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| [20:54:37] | Frosty: | On MythVideo/Mplayer is it possible to find the associated external subtitle from in a seperate folder? like ./subtitles/ |
| [20:55:53] | mkrufky: | it finds it in the SAME folder as the video itself |
| [20:56:37] | Frosty: | yeah, no way to specify another folder? |
| [20:57:00] | mkrufky: | probably just change 1 line of code & recompile |
| [20:57:08] | mkrufky: | or maybe there's an option somewhere |
| [20:58:26] | iamlindoro__: | I'm pretty sure there's not... it's myfile.srt in the same directory as myfile.avi or nothing, so far as I know |
| [20:58:57] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky is right, though, almost certainly a change to 1 line of code |
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| [21:02:41] | jackson: | nah, you should be able to manually specify subtitle files with the -sub param |
| [21:02:56] | iamlindoro__: | jackson, we were referring to mythvideo |
| [21:03:06] | jackson: | mythvideo/mplayer ? |
| [21:03:39] | iamlindoro__: | yes, I know it's possible in mplayer, I'm fairly certain that our statements were referring to internal only, though |
| [21:04:20] | jackson: | Ok, Frosty did mention Mplayer |
| [21:04:26] | iamlindoro__: | you're right |
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| [21:04:44] | iamlindoro__: | and absolutely correct that you can specify the sub location from there |
| [21:04:45] | mkrufky: | that specifies the absolute filename |
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| [21:04:51] | mkrufky: | but he just wants to specify a path to the files |
| [21:05:10] | directhex: | mkrufky, per-file player commands |
| [21:05:16] | directhex: | mkrufky, nice and user-friendly! |
| [21:05:32] | mkrufky: | :-) |
| [21:05:33] | jackson: | As an asside, why bother with isolating the subtitle files from the video files? |
| [21:06:28] | directhex: | jackson, because mythvideo completely fucking fails it with embedded subs |
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| [21:06:51] | jackson: | directhex, I don't understand when you say it failes. |
| [21:06:54] | jackson: | er fails |
| [21:07:10] | iamlindoro__: | http://failblog.wordpress.com/ |
| [21:07:24] | directhex: | as in "it won't use embedded subs". used to crash on them, infact |
| [21:07:54] | jackson: | Oh, I guess I didn't mean why use subs embeded IN the video file but they located the subs in a different dir from the video files. |
| [21:08:14] | directhex: | iamlindoro, http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/post/27473059 |
| [21:08:19] | directhex: | jackson, it looks messy? |
| [21:08:26] | iamlindoro__: | Hehe |
| [21:08:31] | Frosty: | Its just the way I've been used to doing it, having all the subs in a folder called subtitles off of the folder of movies. I'm coming from the XBMC crowd so need to adjust myself to MythTV's way of doing things :) |
| [21:09:28] | directhex: | mythvideo isn't remotely as fine-grained as xbmc |
| [21:12:21] | Frosty: | Yeah I've noticed, but I'm forgiving and its more than usable |
| [21:12:30] | jackson: | I was fond of xbmc's sorting by file date :) |
| [21:12:40] | Frosty: | I've downloaded mplayer source, gonna mess :) |
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| [21:18:52] | directhex: | Frosty, use of mplayer for mythvideo is entirely optional |
| [21:19:11] | directhex: | Frosty, and it's the internal player that only opens subs in the same folder with the same name, not mplayer |
| [21:19:15] | directhex: | no idea on mplayer behaviour |
| [21:20:04] | iamlindoro__: | not to mention the reasons to use external players diminish with the application of GreyFoxx's MKV patch in 3...2...1.... ;) |
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| [21:20:33] | Frosty: | internal will do mkv's? |
| [21:20:46] | Frosty: | and h264? |
| [21:21:00] | |Torg|: | from svn code, yes |
| [21:21:15] | Frosty: | I was surprised I needed to add libavcodec parameters for multi-threaded usage on a q6600 |
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| [21:23:11] | directhex: | threads=2 love you long time |
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| [21:41:39] | noclue: | okay, i just built my mythtv box and I have a few questions. First, do I NEED a listing provider (i.e. Schedules Direct) to receive all my channel listings? Because when I do a manual scan, it only picks up three channels even though I'm running through my STB. Secondly, does anyone know where I can find resources for IR Blasting via the Hauppauge PVR-150MCE's included remote/blaster? |
| [21:42:12] | directhex: | you need a listing source (even if it's set to null) for myth to work at all |
| [21:42:25] | iamlindoro__: | also, you don't do a channel scan when you're running through a STB |
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| [21:43:10] | iamlindoro__: | second question, wikiwikiwiki |
| [21:43:15] | iamlindoro__: | as justinh would say |
| [21:43:20] | noclue: | So I do need a listing provider even with my STB right? |
| [21:43:31] | noclue: | okay, i'll delve further into the wiki for that info. thanks |
| [21:43:39] | directhex: | how do you schedule a recording without a listing source? |
| [21:44:24] | noclue: | very true... |
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| [21:45:19] | iamlindoro__: | short short version 'cause they expect me to work at my work, set up a listings source (SchedulesDirect), set up the lineup at SchedulesDirect for your cable co, set up that source in mythtv-setup, press "fetch lineups from listings source".... *that's* how you get your lineup to show up in myth, not with the channel scan (at least, not when using a STB) |
| [21:46:24] | iamlindoro__: | second question, look up channel change scrip tin the wiki, also read the article on lirc, short version is channel change scripts are little bash scripts that use the irsend command to send ir codes via /dev/lircd |
| [21:46:45] | noclue: | so basically, while using my STB i'll be viewing my provider's listings, but for any recording I do, i'll be using schedule direct's listings? |
| [21:46:57] | iamlindoro__: | You will never use your providers listings |
| [21:47:29] | sn9: | noclue: why are you using an analog STB, anyway? standard-definition premium? |
| [21:47:35] | |Torg|: | actually that depends, some providers get their listings from the same source as SD does |
| [21:47:47] | noclue: | sn9, yes. |
| [21:48:21] | noclue: | Okay. I guess I should just shut up and dish out the damn $20 for schedules direct. ;) Thanks everyone. |
| [21:48:41] | sn9: | you get a free 7-day trial, anyway |
| [21:49:28] | noclue: | Great. Okay, thanks again for all the help |
| [21:49:41] | sn9: | i just noticed that today is leap year day |
| [21:50:18] | sn9: | i keep thinking it's still 2007 |
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| [21:55:39] | iamlindoro__: | Gah, I just had a consultant walk in the room and ask me why I don't have telnet enabled on all the servers |
| [21:55:50] | iamlindoro__: | Of course, he's about 50,000 years old |
| [21:56:07] | iamlindoro__: | I think I looked at him a little too long after that question |
| [21:56:27] | iamlindoro__: | and replied, probably unwisely, "because it's not 1987?" |
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| [21:56:58] | |Torg|: | tell ethe consultant to learn about secuirty |
| [21:57:19] | |Torg|: | hll if I found out you had telnet enables Id ask you why |
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| [22:01:21] | mkrufky: | lol, not 1987 |
| [22:01:43] | mkrufky: | might as well enable sendmail on all those boxes, too |
| [22:01:45] | iamlindoro__: | As soon as the words escaped my lips I wondered, "I wonder if I should have said that." |
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| [22:02:25] | iamlindoro__: | Keep in mind this is the same consultant I was forced to put in the admin group on our cluster this week. |
| [22:02:36] | |Torg|: | why you said it, or why you quoted that year? accoring to van dyke ssh tarted in 95 |
| [22:02:38] | iamlindoro__: | It's like putting a C- Student in charm of nuclear weapons |
| [22:02:42] | iamlindoro__: | But who would do that? |
| [22:03:15] | |Torg|: | if your consultant asks for access to any of your eqipment he isnt doing his job right |
| [22:03:34] | |Torg|: | half of hi job is knowledge transfer, you can not achive that if you are the one on the console |
| [22:04:08] | ** sn9 opens his hardcover copy of ISBN 0-13-470154–2, ©1988 ** | |
| [22:04:14] | iamlindoro__: | |Torg|, The point wasn't when ssh was released, it was just a sarcastic comment... which, by the way, still makes sense because att that matters is telnet *was* around in 1987 |
| [22:04:26] | iamlindoro__: | er all |
| [22:04:48] | sn9: | sixth printing |
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| [22:07:30] | sn9: | Appendix 3 contains an index of all RFCs ever published, and there's not a single 4-digit number among them |
| [22:08:42] | sn9: | that's what the Internet was like in 1987 |
| [22:10:10] | directhex: | dull and lacking in porn? |
| [22:10:29] | ** iamlindoro__ tries to remember when he first downloaded usenet porno ** | |
| [22:10:41] | iamlindoro__: | 92 maybe? 93 at the latest |
| [22:11:13] | directhex: | and you've never stopped since? |
| [22:11:20] | iamlindoro__: | Only accelerated |
| [22:11:21] | fryfrog: | hahah |
| [22:11:27] | directhex: | anyway, fantastic sarcasm, you have my full support |
| [22:11:27] | fryfrog: | exponentially :) |
| [22:11:53] | sn9: | in 1987, online porn abounded on dial-up BBS's |
| [22:12:25] | directhex: | ascii tits don't count! |
| [22:12:26] | |Torg|: | I wouldnt doubt the stil exist today |
| [22:12:29] | iamlindoro__: | Well, I was also 9... so mostly it was nudie mags if I got my hands anything |
| [22:12:35] | iamlindoro__: | in 87, that is |
| [22:13:10] | |Torg|: | well rember usenet predates email and umm it wasnt people posing in rec.* that kept it going :P |
| [22:13:14] | sn9: | everything old is new again — libaa |
| [22:13:57] | |Torg|: | www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEjvCRPrCo |
| [22:14:12] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, Avenue Q |
| [22:14:30] | |Torg|: | yes its funny as hell |
| [22:15:11] | |Torg|: | Ive always said who do yu think drive credit card transaciton processing technolocy, who do you think needs impulse buying the most |
| [22:15:11] | directhex: | i saw avenue q in london |
| [22:15:32] | iamlindoro__: | Porn is the only recession-proof commodity |
| [22:15:52] | directhex: | "in volatile market, only stable investment is PORN!"? |
| [22:15:59] | |Torg|: | its teh driver of techjnoly, big pips for youtube, sure thats it |
| [22:16:12] | iamlindoro__: | youporn.com! |
| [22:16:27] | directhex: | iamlindoro, no links to porno plz |
| [22:16:33] | iamlindoro__: | awwww |
| [22:16:45] | |Torg|: | High Def is so I cant watch Lost, sure it is |
| [22:16:50] | ** iamlindoro__ kicks a rock ** | |
| [22:17:16] | |Torg|: | I thoguht iamlindoro was kidding, its a real site |
| [22:17:31] | directhex: | so are xtube and redtube and about 100 others |
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| [22:20:39] | sn9: | interesting that this would be listed under related vids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SftUFWkPkA0&feature=related |
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| [22:53:20] | joobie: | guys trying to setup my macmini remote |
| [22:53:40] | joobie: | all i can find is this rexx script to do it.. anyone know of a bash one or something better than that? |
| [22:57:17] | |Torg|: | REXX, you got to be kiddig. Didnt that die like 20 years ago with the mainframes? |
| [22:57:36] | joobie: | ehhe apparently not |
| [22:57:54] | |Torg|: | It needed to, its like basic on crack |
| [22:58:08] | joobie: | lol |
| [22:59:18] | |Torg|: | I assume the remote is IR based |
| [22:59:58] | |Torg|: | according to lirc does it works, apple/lircd.conf.macmini |
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| [23:06:58] | joobie: | not sure |
| [23:07:01] | joobie: | may be bluetooth |
| [23:07:03] | joobie: | but i think ir |
| [23:07:40] | joobie: | what's apple/lircd.conf.macmini |
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| [23:07:41] | joobie: | ? |
| [23:07:47] | |Torg|: | part of lirc |
| [23:08:24] | joobie: | is there a website i can read about the apple support in lircd? |
| [23:09:01] | |Torg|: | http://www.google.com/search?q=lirc |
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| [23:09:39] | joobie: | hmm |
| [23:09:41] | joobie: | http://www.lirc.org/html/table.html |
| [23:09:49] | joobie: | that says it's a USB IR Receiver |
| [23:09:55] | joobie: | the receiver is inbuilt in the macmini tho |
| [23:10:05] | |Torg|: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Special: . . . le&go=Go |
| [23:11:55] | joobie: | ahh |
| [23:12:19] | joobie: | can u do triggres with myth so that say u press and hold a button for x seconds it does a function, as opposed to just pressing and letting go straight away? |
| [23:13:06] | |Torg|: | I dont think so |
| [23:13:56] | joobie: | well that sux |
| [23:14:00] | joobie: | damn |
| [23:14:42] | |Torg|: | why is this so important anyway? |
| [23:14:58] | joobie: | i have a macmini |
| [23:15:01] | joobie: | and want to use the macmini remote |
| [23:15:10] | joobie: | there's limited buttons on the macmini......... |
| [23:15:28] | |Torg|: | yes thats its downfall |
| [23:15:55] | |Torg|: | the idea is to GIVE funtionality, not TAKE it away |
| [23:16:11] | |Torg|: | Apple has a nice history of perverting things and reducing funtionality |
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| [23:16:58] | joobie: | how so? their functionality is pretty good |
| [23:17:27] | |Torg|: | go read up on what a mouse is,. what apple did to it, and how microsoft attempted to overcome those problems |
| [23:17:46] | |Torg|: | Apple is attemtpgint to tell people there remote, with less funtionality, is somehow better |
| [23:17:54] | |Torg|: | how abotu I sell you a car with only one tire |
| [23:17:59] | joobie: | i have been using apple hardware for about 3 years now |
| [23:18:03] | joobie: | and they do have a two button mouse |
| [23:18:37] | joobie: | actually .. it's a left a right click mouse.. with a uniball in the middle for 360degree acroll.. and 3 side buttons |
| [23:19:17] | joobie: | a lot of people bag apple and havent really used it |
| [23:19:35] | joobie: | i had to use it to realise the "no right click" was a myth |
| [23:19:43] | |Torg|: | ok, you got me, Ive only used them now for 20 or so years |
| [23:20:16] | joobie: | and you still cant right click on a mac? |
| [23:20:20] | joobie: | :P |
| [23:20:29] | |Torg|: | I dont use them if I dont have to |
| [23:20:39] | |Torg|: | I dont use Windows if I dont have to either |
| [23:21:01] | joobie: | well, macs are not limiting. you can right click on a mac. |
| [23:21:08] | |Torg|: | mand macs have no existed for 20 years |
| [23:22:07] | joobie: | they have been |
| [23:22:16] | joobie: | for over 20years now |
| [23:22:44] | |Torg|: | not quite |
| [23:22:46] | joobie: | if my memory serves me right.. i read steve job's auto-biography |
| [23:22:55] | |Torg|: | you talign abotu a Lisa, or a IIFX? |
| [23:23:24] | joobie: | "Established in Cupertino, California on April 1, 1976" |
| [23:23:27] | joobie: | that is from wikipedia |
| [23:23:32] | |Torg|: | Apple was, not Mac |
| [23:23:43] | |Torg|: | came out in 85 I belive |
| [23:24:45] | joobie: | "The Macintosh was the original Apple Macintosh personal computer. Introduced in January 1984 .." – wikipedia |
| [23:25:00] | |Torg|: | yes it was called a Lisa |
| [23:25:42] | joobie: | na.. Lisa was the name of Job's computer |
| [23:25:57] | joobie: | his Lisa project was replaced by a Macintosh from another bloke |
| [23:25:58] | |Torg|: | sure, thats why there was 6 in our lab |
| [23:26:01] | joobie: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer#1 . . . nd_Macintosh |
| [23:26:03] | joobie: | have a read |
| [23:26:12] | joobie: | grab steve job's autobiography |
| [23:26:31] | rooaus: | joobie: How did you go with your video mode? |
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| [23:27:06] | joobie: | "In 1984, drawing upon its experience with the Lisa, Apple next launched the Macintosh .." |
| [23:27:10] | joobie: | hey rooaus |
| [23:27:16] | rooaus: | hey |
| [23:27:18] | joobie: | went well :) |
| [23:27:30] | joobie: | Dibblah, helped a bit afte ryou left |
| [23:27:37] | joobie: | he managed to make my xorg run at 50Hz through VGA |
| [23:27:43] | joobie: | only problem is.. as you said, TV didn't support it |
| [23:27:49] | joobie: | so X came up with a black screen |
| [23:27:57] | joobie: | .. but it was good to see it working none the less:P |
| [23:28:12] | joobie: | then gogoled around and found the modeline for 75Hz and am running that right now |
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| [23:29:03] | rooaus: | joobie: Cool, did the 75Hz modeline fix/improve the suttering on the pans/tickers etc? |
| [23:29:25] | joobie: | not sure yet rooaus .. might have to wait until monday morning to watch the today show, heh ;P |
| [23:29:35] | joobie: | i havent come across a program yet with a scroll like that |
| [23:29:51] | joobie: | picture is crisp so far tho.. just occasionally i notice a few things |
| [23:30:03] | joobie: | like clive peters advert.. when they show their logo, it's white text on a blue backgrond |
| [23:30:20] | jams: | joobie- if you know the program that had a scroll, might be able to find it under the live-tv group |
| [23:30:27] | joobie: | it comes up fine.. then like a few seconds into showing it, it's like the white text shifts and a few pixels go missing.. it doesnt look 100% fluid like |
| [23:30:39] | rooaus: | joobie: You can test with mythtvosd, you can send a scrolling message across a video. |
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| [23:31:05] | joobie: | jams, i do.. it's the "today show" .. but it's AU based. Does the live-tv group cover AU? |
| [23:31:21] | mzb_d800: | ? |
| [23:31:25] | joobie: | ahh |
| [23:31:36] | joobie: | havent played with that before |
| [23:31:43] | joobie: | is it only videos, or live tv i can scroll against too? |
| [23:32:01] | mzb_d800: | both ... as long as you use the internal player |
| [23:32:08] | mzb_d800: | (afaik) |
| [23:32:30] | jams: | joobie- if you watched it for more then 2 minutes and it has not yet autoexpired it will be in the live tv group |
| [23:32:56] | mzb_d800: | (in recordings;) |
| [23:33:13] | joobie: | ahh k |
| [23:33:15] | joobie: | ill check |
| [23:33:49] | joobie: | na, i dont have it under watch recordings |
| [23:34:33] | rooaus: | joobie: Watch a recording and from a terminal type <mythtvosd --template=scroller --scroll_text="Hello Joobie"> without the <> |
| [23:34:49] | joobie: | mythtvosd --template=scroller --scroll_text="New mail has arrived." |
| [23:34:55] | joobie: | AHH K |
| [23:35:01] | joobie: | woops, scuse the caps |
| [23:35:55] | joobie: | [richardb@joobie ~]$ mythtvosd --template=scroller --scroll_text="New mail has arrived." |
| [23:35:55] | joobie: | Sent UDP/XML packet to IP 255.255.255.255 and port: 6948 |
| [23:35:59] | joobie: | nothing came up |
| [23:36:14] | joobie: | my local term is running xorg .. i typed that cmd via an SSH session into the machine tho |
| [23:36:18] | joobie: | do i need to do it on the same term? |
| [23:36:25] | joobie: | .. it looks like it's ip based |
| [23:37:34] | joobie: | ahh sry |
| [23:37:36] | joobie: | it's my firewall |
| [23:37:36] | joobie: | sec |
| [23:37:50] | rooaus: | You need to have the udp notify stuff enabled, which I think it is by default. And mythtvosd sends a udp broadcast across the network, if on the same machine via ssh it should be ok. Or... yeah firewall :) |
| [23:40:04] | joobie: | i can see the packet going out my ppp0 interface |
| [23:40:10] | joobie: | instead of sending to the box's lo |
| [23:40:31] | |Torg|: | you sent it to 255.255.255.255 |
| [23:41:56] | joobie: | boom |
| [23:41:57] | joobie: | it worked |
| [23:41:58] | joobie: | firewall issue |
| [23:42:09] | joobie: | wow that is slick :) |
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| [23:43:08] | rooaus: | Yeah, when I was overseaas I ssh'd into my home network and sent messages to my wife, freaked her out till she realised they were myth messages and not broadcast :D |
| [23:43:29] | joobie: | wow |
| [23:43:36] | joobie: | heehhe |
| [23:43:52] | joobie: | ya i might try this |
| [23:43:55] | joobie: | when im coming home from work |
| [23:44:06] | joobie: | remote it and say "can we have chicken for dinner tonight?" |
| [23:44:07] | joobie: | ehehh |
| [23:44:29] | joobie: | hey rooaus .. the scroll is 100 times better than before.. no doubt |
| [23:44:31] | joobie: | it just jumps slightly |
| [23:44:52] | joobie: | like every... 200px.. maybe it jerkys 1px or 2... |
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| [23:45:31] | joobie: | though it is seriously 100 times better.. |
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| [23:45:47] | joobie: | any options i can try to fix that slightly jerk? |
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| [23:46:44] | rooaus: | joobie: Although you will audio issues when using hdmi you could test a 50Hz modeline over hdmi and see if that makes it perfect. |
| [23:46:54] | rooaus: | *will have |
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| [23:47:57] | joobie: | ahh.. yea i dont think the cable will cost too much |
| [23:48:21] | joobie: | but rooaus, say it works.. i dont have much option other than buying this 200$USD device that combines a seperate audio channel into a single hdmi with video |
| [23:49:39] | rooaus: | joobie: If you had a cable you could try it would be worth it, but I am not sure about buying it to test. Is it really $200 to get something to combine audio and video? Man that seems expensive. |
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| [23:54:13] | joobie: | sorry phone |
| [23:54:15] | joobie: | back |
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| [23:54:25] | joobie: | yea |
| [23:54:35] | joobie: | i dont have any hdmi cables.. never used the standard before |
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| [23:54:48] | joobie: | i think so rooaus .. i googled around and only found one in the US |
| [23:54:51] | joobie: | pretty pricy |
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| [23:55:29] | rooaus: | joobie: Yeah, just had a quick google too, the one I saw was $299... pricey! |
| [23:55:30] | joobie: | http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=c . . . ch&meta= |
| [23:55:33] | joobie: | check out the top link |
| [23:55:33] | joobie: | yaa |
| [23:55:45] | joobie: | it's probably so "niche" at the moment that they can get away with those prices |
| [23:56:16] | joobie: | it's good tho rooaus |
| [23:56:25] | joobie: | i mean it's come a long way since 2 days ago:P |
| [23:56:47] | joobie: | my audio is the next thing im not sure about tho |
| [23:57:13] | joobie: | my mac mini has a digital out... AC3 or something.... but i am using the headphone jack on the back.. with a convertor to make that split out to two RCA's |
| [23:58:05] | joobie: | TV only has RCA in for audio tho.. |
| [23:58:15] | rooaus: | joobie: See what it looks like on content you will normally be watching, then see if you want to put more effort into it. |
| [23:58:15] | joobie: | do you think it'll be better quality to use the digital out and convert that to RCA? |
| [23:58:23] | joobie: | true |
| [23:58:39] | joobie: | well the today show is where it's really noticable.. |
| [23:59:01] | joobie: | i just sit there eating my breakfast and think about how good it used to be when i had the aerial going direct to the TV:P it's a bad start to the morning eheh |
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