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[00:11:55] whodat: hmm.. still can't figure out why my program guide isn't showing any listings for channel 43_1. when i check the programs table with mysql, the shows are there under that channel id..?
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[00:13:03] ByteChanger: Hi everyone.
[00:13:44] ByteChanger: Does anyone know of a good guide on how to setup a Nexus remote with Mythtv? I've setup Myth a couple of times, but this is the only part that stops me from using it.
[00:13:56] ByteChanger: Please & Thanks!
[00:14:11] ByteChanger: I'm using Debian
[00:14:52] salkaman: i've been finding a ton of guides on how to setup remotes on google, it's just not seeming to agree with mine so far
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[00:15:28] ByteChanger: Yeah, I find a good one with ubunto, and even got the #'s 0–9 working. But that was it.
[00:15:32] ByteChanger: er found i mean...
[00:16:00] whodat: easiest way is to use a keyobard remote, i think
[00:16:33] ByteChanger: wireless keyboard you mean? hmmmm... you know, that could work... lol
[00:16:38] salkaman: yeah, probably the easiest, but my roommate is kinda too... illiterate to manage things outside of a tv-style remote
[00:16:39] ByteChanger: i do have one.
[00:16:54] salkaman: too many keys for him to remember :p
[00:16:54] ByteChanger: pity not to use the remote control tho.
[00:17:17] ByteChanger: av7110_loadkeys <location>/hauppauge_grey.rc5 > /proc/av7110_ir
[00:17:20] whodat: bytechanger: yeah ... if its an infared keyboard, you can just point a learning remote at it and learn it's keys.. then you have a real remote too, along with the keyboard.
[00:17:55] whodat: thats what i did.. didnt have to even touch lirc then.
[00:18:19] ByteChanger: hmmm. kewl. thanks for the idea. I can at least get that going!
[00:19:01] ByteChanger: thanks guys!
[00:19:59] salkaman: that could very well be an option
[00:20:45] whodat: salkaman: its actually what i am using to talk to you right now =)
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[00:23:10] salkaman: i'll give this a few more shots before i give in and get a wireless keyboard
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[00:23:46] salkaman: i'd just put the learn function on and have the reciever plugged in and hit keys and program it ,i'd imagine
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[01:01:05] mikeones: can anyone tell me why apt-get build-dep mythtv wants to remove libmyth-dev and why apt-get build-dep mythplugins wants to install libmyth-dev?
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[01:27:10] directhex: mikeones, it screws up building mythtv if you have an existing set of mythtv headers in place
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[01:27:23] directhex: mikeones, conversely, the plugins require an exact, matching set of headers
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[02:12:37] squidly_: I found a bunch of .old files in my recoarding directory what are they from? I dont see anything in my backend log about them
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[02:15:59] Anduin: squidly_: You have the option to save the original when transcoding enabled.
[02:16:51] squidly_: Anduin: ok.. but I dont see the recoarded file anywhere.
[02:17:00] squidly_: the transcoded file I mean
[02:18:24] Anduin: squidly_: You may have deleted it, not sure .old files are deleted when their pair is.
[02:18:39] squidly_: Anduin: ok thanks
[02:18:54] squidly_: I will just move them back to the .mpg and see what happens
[02:19:41] Anduin: Well, if there is no .mpg then there shouldn't be any data in recorded about it... so you wouldn't see it in the UI.
[02:20:28] squidly_: Anduin: there is.
[02:20:42] squidly_: I think my transcode setup didnt work.
[02:20:52] Anduin: Hmm strange, yeah seems likely.
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[02:22:02] squidly_: yea. I just wanna remove comercials from some recoardings for when I burn them to dvd
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[02:35:00] mikeones: directhex: not sure what you mean? how can I check to see what may be the problem?
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[03:09:39] craig: is there a way I can get recoarding to show up as recoarded programs after they were accidently deleated (I still have the recoarded files)
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[03:11:13] jams: in the contrib dir, there is a script called myth_rebuilddb.pl
[03:11:19] jams: or something close to that
[03:12:15] craig: jams: ok thanks
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[03:40:09] EnderTheThird: What do you guys recommend for batch transcoding to VBR MP3? I've used Audacity before, but couldn't figure out the options to make it VBR instead of the default 128 kbit.
[03:42:05] Anduin: EnderTheThird: not as friendly but lame works
[03:42:47] EnderTheThird: i'm fine with CLI as long as I can find the syntax and it works
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[03:50:01] levander: If I want to buy one of those IR things that can not only receive signals from my remote for my myth box, but also control other boxes (like a cable box) is this the right thing to buy: http://iguanaworks.net/product1.psp
[03:50:13] Dagmar: It works fine
[03:50:26] levander: Dagmar: that's for me?
[03:50:53] Dagmar: I use their serial one
[03:51:08] Dagmar: If they say their USB one works with LIRC, they're probably telling the truth
[03:51:22] levander: Dagmar: I'm not sure about this "controlling other boxes also" thing though. Does that have anything to do with LIRC?
[03:51:23] Anduin: levander: The MCE one isn't bad either (and comes with a remote)
[03:51:44] Dagmar: Dude it's just a transciever
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[03:52:15] Dagmar: If you're looking to emit IR just for entertainment purposes, you're in need of a new hobby
[03:53:10] levander: Dagmar: Okay, say when Comcast phases out analog cable I get a digital box from them. Don't I need one of these trasceivers things to control both the myth box and the digital cable box?
[03:53:30] Dagmar: If you intend to control the cable box using the mythbox over IR
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[03:53:46] Dagmar: You *may* be able to change channels with firewire instead
[03:54:00] Dagmar: Actually, you are actually supposed to be able to by FCC declaration
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[03:54:05] Anduin: or serial if you have an old box
[03:54:13] levander: I think I"m going to get the transceiver box just to keep my options open. I'll use firewire if I can later.
[03:54:38] levander: And, this thingamabob I'm looking at, even if I just want to control my myth box, it's fine too?
[03:54:41] Dagmar: At some point I'll get around to doing something with my box to make it turn the TV off when the screen blank activates
[03:55:11] levander: Dagmar: You use a screen saver with your myth box? Don't you ever watch movies for a couple of hours and not touch anything?
[03:55:28] HeatHawk[LI]: I have mythtv on an Arch Linux current install, I have run the setup for all of the users on the system (root, kevin, mythtv) they all point to the right mysql settings, but the daemon still defaults to the default mythtv settings on boot. I can manually start it, but the daemon wants to use the wrong mysql, ideas?
[03:55:29] Dagmar: You've not been using this long, have you
[03:55:35] levander: No.
[03:55:46] Dagmar: This problem you're thinking of does not exist.
[03:56:32] levander: Anyway, that transceiver thing will work fine if I just want to control the myth box for now? Without any other boxes? I'm just looking for verification before I buy.
[03:56:46] Anduin: HeatHawk[LI]: Try one of the non-user specific config locations, or use something that sets the home.
[03:57:26] HeatHawk[LI]: Anduin, I am not sure I get what you meen...
[03:58:34] iamlindoro_: He means /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
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[03:58:49] Anduin: HeatHawk[LI]: I don't Arch, but there is often a way to start your daemon as a specific user, without that you usually have no HOME so it will not matter if you mythtv-setup every user on the box.
[03:59:06] HeatHawk[LI]: iamlindoro, there is not /etc/mythtv dir
[03:59:06] HeatHawk[LI]: lol
[03:59:11] Anduin: and yeah iamlindoro is less lazy
[03:59:50] HeatHawk[LI]: brb
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[04:10:52] mikeones: can anyone tell me why apt-get build-dep mythtv wants to remove libmyth-dev and why apt-get build-dep mythplugins wants to install libmyth-dev?
[04:11:20] Anduin: Didn't someone already answer that?
[04:11:43] mikeones: never said why this happens
[04:14:35] mikeones: and I still have the issue of mythplugins complaning about be compiled aginst two diffrent versions of libmyth-dev
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[04:17:04] presumptious85: hello
[04:17:09] presumptious85: anyone home
[04:17:27] iamlindoro_: nope
[04:17:33] presumptious85: lol
[04:17:37] presumptious85: hello doro
[04:17:41] presumptious85: long time
[04:17:55] presumptious85: i neva got my tv tuner to work
[04:18:04] iamlindoro_: In that case, definitely not home ;)
[04:18:15] presumptious85: so i'm gettin it replaced
[04:20:01] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro_: You know a good app for batch encoding vbr mp3 by chance? I've used Audacity before, but its batch encode does 128k with no VBR and I can't find out how to change the parameters for it.
[04:21:09] iamlindoro_: EnderTheThird: To be honest, I've never really done a lot of mp3 encoding... I imagine you could turn lame or ffmpeg loose on an entire directory at a time, but you'd need to learn the syntax for them
[04:21:45] EnderTheThird: Yeah. I've been googling for the syntax, but no luck. FLAC is great for my HDD, but not so great for my car's CD MP3 player, heh
[04:23:05] EnderTheThird: Nevermind, just found a good app: soundconverter
[04:23:35] iamlindoro_: cool
[04:24:05] EnderTheThird: Yay
[04:24:38] EnderTheThird: Although the Stargate soundtrack does sound amazing in FLAC, heh
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[04:25:35] Cackette: hai
[04:25:55] Cackette: i have a pvr-150 and a pchdtv 5500, but i'm not sure which settings to select when setting up the backend for the cards
[04:26:44] Cackette: anyone have either of these cards that can help a bro out?
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[04:26:53] EnderTheThird: pvr-150 is just a regular MPEG card IIRC
[04:27:27] Cackette: so i set it up as npeg-2 encoder card?
[04:27:33] Cackette: mpeg*
[04:27:36] EnderTheThird: Yeah
[04:27:48] Cackette: any idea on the pchdtv 5500?
[04:27:53] iamlindoro_: DVB card type
[04:27:54] EnderTheThird: I think pchdtv cards have their own type if you cycle through
[04:27:59] EnderTheThird: or DVB, heh
[04:28:12] Cackette: i had it setup before i had a new HD
[04:28:16] Cackette: but i forgot what i set the 5500 to
[04:28:22] Cackette: dvb sounds familiar
[04:28:49] Cackette: doesnt work
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[04:29:06] iamlindoro_: DVB is the correct card type... if it's not autodetecting then you have module issues
[04:29:12] Cackette: set it to DVB DTV capture card (v3.x) and it says: Frontend ID: Could not open care #0
[04:29:19] presumptious85: so has anyone gotten HVR-1600 to work on their ubuntu?
[04:30:00] Cackette: do i need to install the drivers on the CD? i cant remember how it worked last time
[04:30:23] EnderTheThird: Cackette: DVB should be it according to the pchdtv Wiki: http://www.pchdtv.com/wiki/index.php/UBUNTU-2.10-MythTV
[04:30:39] EnderTheThird: Cackette, what distro you running?
[04:30:45] Cackette: mythbuntu
[04:30:49] EnderTheThird: 7.10?
[04:30:53] Cackette: yep
[04:31:44] EnderTheThird: Hmm, I thought it automagically loaded all the modules for that card.
[04:31:55] Cackette: ;/
[04:32:11] iamlindoro_: It does... but things get complicated when you have two cards with /dev/video nodes
[04:32:17] Cackette: it detects it on Analog v4l capture card
[04:32:36] EnderTheThird: Hurray for the HDHR then, heh
[04:32:49] iamlindoro_: It detects the *analog* side, you won't get HD from v4l, that's NTSC only
[04:32:49] Cackette: :)
[04:32:54] Cackette: ugh
[04:33:19] Cackette: so whats the solution since i have /dev/video0 and /dev/video1
[04:33:30] iamlindoro_: you need to either blacklist the modules from the HD 5500 and load them later with rc.local, manually, or similar, or use udev rules to give things fixed dev nodes
[04:33:46] Cackette: i have absolutely no idea how to do that
[04:34:09] iamlindoro_: wiki has a good article about udev, so does the gentoo and fedora wikis, all those will be the same in mythbuntu
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[04:34:17] Cackette: i'm not supposed to select "pcHDTV DTC capture card (w/V4L drivers)"?
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[04:34:37] iamlindoro_: http://gentoo-wiki.com/UDEV
[04:34:43] iamlindoro_: Cackette: No.
[04:34:48] Cackette: kk
[04:34:54] iamlindoro_: That is for an older iteration of the card from the same company
[04:34:57] Cackette: ohh
[04:34:58] Cackette: gotcha
[04:35:03] keith4_: ooh, sounds like i jumped into the middle of the answer to the question i was just going to ask
[04:35:08] Cackette: haha
[04:35:14] EnderTheThird: Blacklisted modules go in: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[04:35:31] keith4_: i added a HD to my myth backend, and when i booted again, it lost a tuner
[04:35:37] keith4_: so i deleted all tuners and started fresh
[04:35:42] presumptious85: has anyone gotten Hauppaage HVR-1600 to work?
[04:36:08] iamlindoro_: presumptious85: There have been a fair number of people that have gotten the analog side of the card working, but the drivers are still very experimental
[04:36:14] keith4_: the 2 analog tuners work fine, but the pchd5500 won't add correctly
[04:36:15] iamlindoro_: digital is a no go for now
[04:36:30] presumptious85: ight
[04:36:32] keith4_: Frontend ID: ERROR_OPEN
[04:36:40] presumptious85: i'm gonna sell it then
[04:36:55] iamlindoro_: keith4_: look into udev rules, you are going to need to set up rules for all your cards so that they don't come up in random order
[04:37:13] keith4_: that's a good idea
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[04:37:19] keith4_: but how do i fix it short-term? ;-)
[04:37:32] iamlindoro_: That *is* the short term fix
[04:37:46] Cackette: this is rather complicated
[04:37:54] keith4_: no, that's a long-term fix
[04:38:18] iamlindoro_: ok, find a solution that makes you happy then
[04:38:26] keith4_: short term is getting the backend to agree that /dev/video2 is a DVB tuner
[04:39:08] iamlindoro_: ah, but /dev/video(anything) is never a dvb tuner... it is, at most, the analog side of one
[04:39:13] Cackette: did you use the CD drivers that came w/ the 5500, keith4_?
[04:39:17] iamlindoro_: dvb tuners live at /dev/dvb
[04:40:12] iamlindoro_: Cackette: as a brief explanation, let's say you boot your system once and your pvr-150 is /dev/video0 and your 5500 is /dev/video1 and /dev/dvb0... So you set up your cards as that in myth... then when you reboot, they come up randomly so now it decides to flip-flop the /dev/video#s.... myth opens video0 thinking it's the pvr150.... except this time it's the 5500... so it fails to set up either card properly
[04:40:18] keith4_: Cackette, hell no
[04:40:53] Cackette: i see what you're saying, but how to fix that, i'm lost
[04:41:06] Cackette: i have only basic linux comprehension
[04:41:26] iamlindoro_: Cackette: That's what udev rules are for, so that you can predict which it will come up as every time-- in my case my pvr-150 comes up as /dev/video-pvr150, and my HD 5500 is always /dev/video-5500 and /dev/dvb
[04:41:46] Cackette: ok
[04:41:52] iamlindoro_: udev rules allow you to symlink a device based on identifying information, ie location on the bus, id tag, etc....
[04:42:01] Cackette: since we have the same cards, mind explaining how to do it?
[04:42:21] iamlindoro_: Cackette: the mythtv wiki explains it far further that I ever could, and probably more patiently
[04:42:30] Cackette: the udev rules?
[04:42:38] iamlindoro_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Device_Filenames_and_udev
[04:42:40] iamlindoro_: yes
[04:42:40] Cackette: oh, it does
[04:42:41] Cackette: lol
[04:42:53] Cackette: i didnt think to look there, i looked on wikipedia
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[04:43:22] Cackette: is it possible to alt-tab out of the backend
[04:43:26] Cackette: or do i have to exit it
[04:43:34] Cackette: i dont have a mouse hooked up
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[04:43:47] iamlindoro_: well, if you run mythbackend with -d, it will start in daemon mode
[04:43:55] keith4_: you can alt-tab out of it, yes
[04:44:22] Cackette: i didnt run it like that
[04:44:28] Cackette: it ran straight from the installer
[04:44:45] iamlindoro_: anyway, good luck all, I'm off to actually *watch* TV-- imagine!
[04:44:46] iamlindoro_: ;)
[04:45:01] Cackette: lol
[04:45:03] Cackette: whats on
[04:45:14] iamlindoro_: Last night's Terminator
[04:45:18] iamlindoro_: er... Monday's
[04:45:22] Cackette: oh, i didnt like those
[04:45:32] iamlindoro_: ah well
[04:46:12] Cackette: i hope this box doesnt freak once i take the CD drive out
[04:46:24] Cackette: i have no need for it after mythbuntu is setup
[04:48:06] Cackette: ugh, why is this shit running @ 1280x720 on a 1080p tv
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[04:49:14] EnderTheThird: Are NFS network drives always so slow? I'm retagging some MP3s with Easytag and it's taking forever.
[04:49:39] keith4_: EnderTheThird, sort of depends on the speed of your network
[04:49:46] keith4_: and the computers on both ends
[04:50:32] EnderTheThird: Both are core 2 duo's, the only 2 computers on my 100 MBit network
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[04:55:01] keith4_: ah, 100 mbit... that'd do it
[04:55:18] keith4_: you'll top out at about the speed of a slow HD then
[04:56:28] Cackette: hrmm, i'm having trouble finding my pvr-150 w/ udev
[04:56:55] Cackette: it finds the analog side of the pchdtv on /dev/video0
[04:57:08] Cackette: and nothing happens if i change it to /dev/video1
[04:57:46] Cackette: any ideas?
[04:58:10] Cackette: /dev/video1 was what the backend found the pvr-150 at
[04:58:20] EnderTheThird: keith4_: Still, you wouldn't think it'd be that slow. Guess I'll need to upgrade to 1Gbit one of these days then.
[04:59:22] keith4_: Cackette, what does 'ls -l /dev/video*' show?
[04:59:45] keith4_: EnderTheThird, how much bandwidth is it using?
[05:00:01] Cackette: shows /dev/video0,1,24,32
[05:00:29] keith4_: sounds right
[05:00:59] EnderTheThird: keith4_: It's not writing anymore. I got tired of it so I just ssh -X'd into the machine and did it like that instead.
[05:01:25] Cackette: 'udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/video0' shows the pchdtv 5500, but if i change to /video1/ nothing happens
[05:01:31] Cackette: should i try 24 and 32?
[05:02:02] keith4_: no
[05:02:12] Cackette: 24 shows something
[05:02:15] keith4_: those are probably VBI devices
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[05:02:41] Cackette: yeah, 24 is audio
[05:02:56] Cackette: 32 doesnt work
[05:03:10] Cackette: so like what do i do
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[05:05:37] Cackette: :/
[05:05:45] Cackette: you back iamlindoro?
[05:06:02] Cackette: or iamlindoro_
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[05:07:15] Cackette: :( guess not
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[05:08:50] AcTiVaTe: Hmz
[05:08:59] Cackette: huh
[05:09:23] AcTiVaTe: When I start mythfrontend on the same machine as the backend and go to recordings it shows diff stuff than when I start mythfrontend on my laptop. Using the same backend ofc
[05:09:36] AcTiVaTe: Where did I misconfigure? :P
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[05:10:09] Cackette: cant say...i'm a mythtv noob
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[05:11:26] AcTiVaTe: Hmz, just did a mysqlrepair on mythconverg and it changed some rows
[05:11:38] ** AcTiVaTe checks to see what happened to his recordings now **
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[05:12:06] Cackette: uh oh
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[05:12:19] Cackette: keith4_, any luck w/ udev/
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[05:14:57] Cackette: fuck...
[05:15:00] Cackette: i'm so lost
[05:15:47] Cackette: :'(
[05:16:58] Cackette: srsly, iamlindoro_, you are king, halp
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[05:17:32] keith4_: Cackette, nah. i only reboot my backend like once every 6 months, so i won't waste too much time
[05:18:01] Cackette: how are you getting it to work then
[05:18:10] AcTiVaTe: lol, I had the LiveTV option on
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[05:18:52] Cackette: i dont plan on rebooting mine much
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[05:21:02] Cackette: keith4_?
[05:22:23] keith4_: i had some funky modules loaded, i rebooted, removed all my cards, and added them again
[05:22:28] keith4_: now it'll be fine for 6 months
[05:22:31] Cackette: ugh, seriously?
[05:22:34] Cackette: i have nothing loaded
[05:22:47] Cackette: i'm straight from a mythbuntu install
[05:23:30] Cackette: what do i do
[05:23:55] ** AcTiVaTe does not get why his xmltv info does not get sent to the chan **
[05:24:12] keith4_: Cackette, install debian ;-)
[05:24:19] Cackette: no way
[05:24:20] keith4_: i'm kidding. mythbuntu is a great way to start
[05:24:23] Cackette: lol
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[05:24:52] Cackette: omg we may be good
[05:25:11] Cackette: rebooted, under DVB DTV capture card, dvb card 0
[05:25:16] keith4_: mythbuntu just kinda works, man
[05:25:19] keith4_: it's tough to F that up
[05:25:30] Cackette: 'Frontend ID: DViCO or Air2PCv3 or pcHDTV pc-5500'
[05:25:32] Cackette: thats good, right?
[05:27:10] Cackette: ok i'm good
[05:28:54] Cackette: :)
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[05:31:59] Cackette: $20 -> schedulesdirect
[05:32:01] Cackette: paid
[05:34:46] Cackette: do i need to setup 2 different video sources
[05:34:48] Cackette: or will the 1 do
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[05:59:28] Cackette: uh oh
[05:59:32] Cackette: mythfilldatabase ran
[05:59:41] Cackette: now when i hit watch tv, the screen goes dark
[06:00:21] Cackette: tuner 1 is not available/
[06:00:22] Cackette: eek
[06:00:41] Cackette: mytfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data
[06:01:05] Cackette: whats going on
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[06:08:45] Cackette: anyone here
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[06:10:52] Cackette: fuck...
[06:10:57] Cackette: something is screwed up.
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[06:14:06] Cackette: iamlindoro_, rescue me?
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[06:19:21] Cackette: :( ugh
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[06:26:46] Cackette: someone...
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[06:34:00] Cackette: srsly, nobody here at all?
[06:38:18] Tanthrix_AFK: No.
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[06:42:47] Cackette: oh rly
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[06:50:51] Cackette: gandalfcome?
[06:51:09] gandalfcome: Cackette: yes?
[06:51:18] Cackette: are you good w/ myth?
[06:51:40] gandalfcome: depends
[06:52:03] Cackette: ionno what i did, but when i hit Watch TV, the screen goes blank
[06:52:13] Cackette: then goes back to the menu after like 20 seconds
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[06:52:26] gandalfcome: I guess there are a number of reasons, have you checked the log files
[06:52:43] Cackette: where
[06:52:59] CCFL_Man2: this component video to s-video converter i built seems to work well
[06:53:28] gandalfcome: \/var/log/mythtv/*
[06:53:34] Cackette: and i just open that w/ nano?
[06:54:04] gandalfcome: you can also do tail -f and then see what happens when the frontend opens
[06:54:10] gandalfcome: the video stream
[06:54:48] Cackette: you mean "mythfrontend -f"
[06:55:34] Cackette: or no?
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[06:56:30] mikeones: tail -f /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[06:56:46] mikeones: then start mythfrontend
[06:56:49] Cackette: oh
[06:56:54] Cackette: whats that do
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[06:57:34] mikeones: you will see what is being logged durring the startup and maybe an error or two
[06:57:40] Cackette: ok
[06:58:55] gandalfcome: Cackette: I meant what mikeones said.
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[06:59:48] Cackette: ok, i'm reading mythbackend.log
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[07:00:03] Cackette: theres a line that says ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database.
[07:00:07] mikeones: Cackette: if you do not see any errors there you may need to enable verbose logging for mythbackend
[07:00:37] mikeones: ok, did you go through mythtv-setup
[07:00:39] Cackette: yep
[07:00:44] Cackette: i'm in it right now
[07:00:57] mikeones: goback and check if you capture card s there
[07:01:12] Cackette: v4l : /dev/video0
[07:01:28] mikeones: ok
[07:01:35] mikeones: any other error messages?
[07:01:54] Cackette: fuck
[07:02:00] Cackette: i set it to v4l when its supposed to be mpeg
[07:02:04] Cackette: lemme see if it works now
[07:02:19] ** Cackette smacks his forehead **
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[07:02:49] Cackette: another issue i have is that the channels arent named
[07:02:58] Cackette: they're "Adding Channel 10 (10)
[07:03:06] Cackette: instead of like "ABC (10)"
[07:03:34] mikeones: the lineup you picked in schedual direct should do that
[07:03:47] Cackette: it didnt for some reason
[07:04:07] Cackette: i have the right lineup set for sure
[07:04:41] Cackette: omg...i think it just froze...
[07:04:54] mikeones: what distro is this?
[07:04:55] Cackette: i hit retreive lineups and it popped up and is stuck @ 50%
[07:04:58] Cackette: mythbuntu 7.10
[07:05:19] Cackette: the backend just froze...i can alt-tab out of it
[07:05:42] mikeones: you card uses ivtv
[07:05:56] Cackette: wait, its good now
[07:06:02] Cackette: but the channels are still wrong
[07:06:10] Cackette: i have a pvr-150
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[07:07:17] Cackette: i could manually name them, but thats 70-something channels
[07:08:47] Cackette: any ideas?
[07:08:48] mikeones: *should* be automatic
[07:09:06] Cackette: they're "Adding Channel 10 (10)" etc etc
[07:10:28] Cackette: i'll give "mythfilldatabase --do_channel_updates" a shot
[07:12:17] Cackette: that worked, time to give live tv a shot
[07:12:37] Cackette: score, we're good
[07:12:43] mikeones: nice
[07:12:45] Cackette: now all i need is a cable splitter
[07:12:49] Cackette: and my box will be done
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[07:43:29] Cackette: mikeones_, you still around?
[07:43:32] Cackette: or gandalfcome_
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[07:44:32] Cackette: or maybe iamlindoro / iamlindoro_
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[07:45:37] mikeones_: just ask
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[07:48:42] Cackette: i'm trying to setup WinMyth Frontend
[07:49:04] Cackette: and i cant connect to the mysql database
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[07:50:20] Cackette: even after following http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql
[07:52:13] mikeones_: never used it and don't know anything about it
[07:52:32] Cackette: its so you can manage recordings and schedules from a windows box
[07:52:40] Cackette: so i dont have to have a keyboard/mouse in the TV room
[07:53:33] Cackette: not easy to change stuff on a huge screen
[07:53:47] Cackette: and ugly to have a keyboard there
[07:55:49] Cackette: how do you manage yours?
[07:56:41] Cackette: a wireless keyboard would be nice, but thats just more $$ down the drain
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[07:58:38] Cackette: mikeones_?
[08:00:56] DGnome: I only have to use a keyboard when browsing the web with my mythboxen and 42" display, how exaclty do you manage your recordings?
[08:01:34] Cackette: using the keyboard to go to the program guide and such
[08:01:39] Cackette: how do you do it?
[08:01:45] DGnome: I use my remote
[08:01:53] Cackette: hrmm, i dont have a remote setup
[08:02:07] DGnome: how do you use your mythfrontend at all then?
[08:02:16] Cackette: keyboard
[08:02:30] DGnome: get a remote that works and set it up.
[08:02:39] Cackette: does the remote included w/ the pvr-150 work
[08:02:53] DGnome: I very much think it does
[08:02:57] DGnome: check the mythtv wiki
[08:03:03] Cackette: i have a logitech harmony 550, but i heard it was a bitch to setup
[08:03:13] DGnome: check the wiki
[08:03:42] Cackette: i'll check it out, thanks bro
[08:04:10] DGnome: You mihght want to take a look at mythweb also
[08:04:33] DGnome: it's nice to have a web interface to the backend
[08:04:33] Cackette: why
[08:05:05] Cackette: hrmm, looks legit
[08:05:16] Cackette: i'll go setup the remote first
[08:05:19] DGnome: it comes woth the plugins so it is very legit
[08:05:32] Cackette: yeah
[08:05:38] Cackette: is it automatically on?
[08:05:42] Cackette: or do i have to set it up and such
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[08:11:12] corinth: I installed mythtv in openSUSE 10.3 KDE 3.5.7, but when I launch it I only get two screens: one asking for a preferred language, and a second for a database configuration. I have Sattelite tv, a wintv pvr-250, and I just want to try to get it to work, heh. Any help?
[08:11:15] gandalfcome_: Cackette: ahm are you still looking for winmyth?
[08:11:59] gandalfcome_: corinth: you need to run myth-setup from the command lines. I think you have the frontend running
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[08:12:41] gandalfcome_: Cackette: I think it doesnt work anymore with the newest version of mythtv
[08:12:43] corinth: gandalfcome_: Hmm, it says command not found o_O
[08:13:39] gandalfcome_: Im sorrry mythtv-setup and then you can setup cards and so on.
[08:13:46] mikeones_: Cackette: I use mythweb for all recording and schedualing management
[08:13:54] corinth: Ah, kk.
[08:14:35] Cackette: wow, that was really easy to setup the pvr-150 remote
[08:14:46] Cackette: selected it in MythTV Control Center, hit apply, it works
[08:14:49] Cackette: now for mythweb
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[08:19:25] gandalfcome_: Cackette, it is normally setup for mythbuntu
[08:20:27] Cackette: how do i check
[08:22:49] Cackette: i cant find the url to look
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[08:25:33] Cackette`: sorry, laptop died
[08:25:33] sam__: hi got an analog WinTV hauppage tv card attached to a satelite box.. how do i configure the channels
[08:26:21] Cackette`: whats the mythweb URL
[08:26:23] Cackette`: i cant find it lol
[08:26:56] gandalfcome_: well its your local ip adress of your backend
[08:27:26] Cackette`: i bring that up and all there is /apache2-default/
[08:27:32] Cackette`: and if you click that, the page says "It works!"
[08:27:57] gandalfcome_: so you got: http://x.x.x.x/mythweb
[08:28:12] Cackette`: Internal Server Error
[08:28:51] Cackette`: i looked in the MythTV Control Center, MythWeb is enabled
[08:29:00] Cackette`: is there some sort of setup i have to do in the backend/frontend?
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[08:29:55] gandalfcome_: normally not
[08:30:00] corinth: What packages do I need to install to get mythtv? I see -backend, -frontend, -setup, -themes, -transcode.
[08:30:03] gandalfcome_: Have you just installed mythbuntu
[08:30:08] Cackette`: me?
[08:30:09] Cackette`: yes
[08:30:16] gandalfcome_: so everything should be there
[08:30:19] Cackette`: yeah...
[08:30:20] corinth: Oh, and -doc and -debuginfo
[08:30:43] gandalfcome_: so did you install mythbuntu on an ubuntu machine or did you install the mythbuntu distribution?
[08:31:02] Cackette`: mythbuntu distro 7.10
[08:31:17] Cackette`: http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6332/mythwebjr8.jpg
[08:31:36] gandalfcome_: so if you do on the backend http://localhost/mythweb you get internal server error?
[08:31:51] Cackette`: yep
[08:32:17] gandalfcome_: thats bad. you can check your logs in /var/log/apache i think
[08:35:28] Cackette`: /var/log/apache is empty
[08:35:54] Cackette`: wait, here we go
[08:36:01] Cackette`: i enabled MySQL Remote Connections
[08:36:04] Cackette`: but now i cant get in
[08:36:10] Cackette`: Database Access Denied
[08:36:11] Cackette`: You are most likely receiving this message because you
[08:36:11] Cackette`: have failed to configure mythweb's database login info.
[08:36:11] Cackette`: Please see .htaccess for instructions.
[08:36:48] Cackette`: thats after typing username and password
[08:36:59] corinth: I launched mythtv for the first time, and it had me select a language. Now, I'm at a screen that says Database Configureations 1/2 Myth could not connect to the database. Please veryfy your database setings below.
[08:37:03] Dagmar: You speak English, right?
[08:37:09] Dagmar: _Do what it told you_
[08:37:28] Cackette`: who are you talking to Dagmar
[08:37:33] corinth: Values are: Host name: localhost Database: mythconverg User: mythtv Password: mythtv Database type: MySQL
[08:37:33] Dagmar: You.
[08:37:46] Cackette`: i dont see a single line from you since i connected
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[08:38:00] Dagmar: Then you must be imagining me saying anything.
[08:38:18] Cackette`: until "You speak English, right?"
[08:38:21] Cackette`: thats the first line i see from you
[08:38:28] Dagmar: FFS how much easier can it get when the program that has a problem TELLS you what to do to fix it
[08:38:35] corinth: What values should I set in those fields? Are they already right?
[08:41:23] gandalfcome_: Dagmar: please calm down. we all had humble beginnings. I also don't see anything before You speak English, right?
[08:41:29] Cackette`: where .htaccess located
[08:41:30] gandalfcome_: perhaps your posts got lost
[08:41:38] gandalfcome_: somehow
[08:41:43] Cackette`: wheres*
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[08:44:21] Cackette`: do you know where it is, gandalfcome_
[08:44:47] Cackette`: my box is rebooting after updates currently, but it'll be back soon
[08:44:56] Dagmar: gandalfcome: It does NOT get any simpler than it is already
[08:45:00] corinth: !patience
[08:45:08] Dagmar: Unless perhaps the thing were to fire up X and show _pictures_
[08:45:10] corinth: Whoops, wrong channel
[08:45:21] salkaman: well, thank god that remote is finally working... seems they don't like the packaged drivers that come with mythbuntu
[08:45:37] Dagmar: Someone might as well be asking whta they should do if they're _on fire_ if they're pasting the instructions the program gave _them_ to _here_ for us to _read back to them_
[08:46:04] Dagmar: There's a difference between keeping an open mind, and having one's brain fall out;./
[08:46:10] gandalfcome_: Cackette`: It might be usefull to follow the excellent setup guide under: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[08:46:36] salkaman: Dagmar : except that some people don't always understand what they are reading completely, everyone starts that way
[08:46:51] corinth: I can't get mythtv to even start running, lol. I get a language selection screen, then a screen to set up the database, because it says it couldn't connect. I push next twice, and then it exits. Nothing else. :-/
[08:46:52] Dagmar: salkman: That's why there's excellent websites like www.rif.org
[08:47:11] Dagmar: corinth: This is because you have not read the installation documentation
[08:47:45] Dagmar: It addresses how to set up the mysql database and ensure that mythtv-setup can talk to it
[08:48:22] corinth: Where can I find the installation documentation then, I installed it through a package manager.
[08:48:26] gandalfcome_: Dagmar: I think you're confusing corinth and Cackette`.
[08:48:50] Dagmar: No, they're both being thick, just one less than the other.
[08:48:58] salkaman: you can get the installation directions through mythtv.org, corinth
[08:49:02] Dagmar: corinth: http://www.mythtv.org/ right there on the left side where it says "Documentation" actually
[08:49:02] corinth: Ouch, lol. :-/
[08:49:23] gandalfcome_: Cackette`: there's also a good channel for mythbuntu specifically
[08:49:27] Dagmar: You guys are making me worry some mad scientist has come up with a brain-draining ray or something tonight
[08:49:41] gandalfcome_: Dagmar: They're noobs cut them some slack
[08:49:50] Cackette`: seriously, Dagmar, shut the fuck up
[08:49:59] Dagmar: There's noobs and then there's vegetables.
[08:50:01] corinth: You're just a ray of sunshine in our world, aren't ya Dagmar.
[08:50:21] Dagmar: corinth: Might have something to do with the fact that I *write* documentation for a lot of stuff
[08:50:57] Dagmar: This guy is in Minnesota unless I miss my guess.
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[08:51:06] Dagmar: It's not like he is dealing with some big language barrier or something.
[08:51:16] corinth: The wway I calculate it, writing documentation does not come with being a prick as either an after effect or prerequisite.
[08:51:22] Cackette`: yeah, minnesota...
[08:51:30] Dagmar: MOST of the time people pasting this stuff just need to be prodded a bit to get them thinking
[08:52:26] gandalfcome_: Dagmar: I agree, but I mean there's prodding and there's flaming
[08:52:33] Dagmar: So where have I been "flaming"?
[08:52:37] Dagmar: Have I called anyone a name?
[08:52:43] Dagmar: Have I used any foul language?
[08:52:52] corinth: Noob, vegetable, by my count.
[08:53:04] Dagmar: I was not the one who used the word "noob"
[08:53:26] corinth: Fine, vegetables. Lol.
[08:53:40] Dagmar: ...and if you have a problem with calling a spade a spade, _tell a grown-up_.
[08:53:40] directhex: the documentation is already written
[08:53:43] Dagmar: And THAT is a flame.
[08:53:44] corinth: Off topic, perhaps? -_-. Let's just move on, sans the attitude.
[08:53:53] directhex: and ignored
[08:54:11] Dagmar: Take your "never say anything that might hurt someone's feelings, no matter how thin their skin may be" attitude and stuff it.
[08:54:45] Dagmar: This is how we get kids that don't know on which coast California lies.
[08:54:50] directhex: http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/5/
[08:54:59] corinth: Alright, *moving on*
[08:55:34] Dagmar: Shows like "Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?" for example.
[08:55:43] Dagmar: It's not healthy for the species.
[08:55:49] salkaman: Dagmar sounds bitter enough to be a guest on Sean Hannity's show :>
[08:56:08] corinth: I'm looking at the documentation, and I'm having trouble tracking down openSUSE specific documentation for setting up the database. A point in the right direction?
[08:57:31] Dagmar: corinth: Have you looked to see if the generic commands in the installation howto _actually work_?
[08:57:34] Cackette`:
[08:57:54] corinth: I tried them, with no luck.
[08:57:55] Dagmar: The person making the binary packages has something of a responsibility NOT to squirrel away key files like mc.sql in unusual places.
[08:58:00] Dagmar: It generates needless support emails.
[08:58:29] Dagmar: Run `find /usr -name mc.sql` and it should tell you where they stuck it then.
[08:58:32] salkaman: corinth: have you tried this? -> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Opensuse . . . thbackend.29
[08:59:03] corinth: Ah, thanks salkaman.
[08:59:09] salkaman: np
[08:59:33] Dagmar: FWIW, not being familiar with `find` is a reasonable thing.
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[09:05:33] corinth: Hmm, I'm alright until I get to the point where it asks me to run "mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv-doc/database/mc.sql" . I get error:bash: /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv-doc/database/mc.sql: No such file or directory
[09:05:45] salkaman:
[09:05:47] salkaman: n IPU
[09:06:08] Dagmar: corinth: Okay, so use `find /usr/share -name mc.sql` to find out where the file _really_ is then
[09:07:33] corinth: Hmm, it paused for about ten seconds, then displayed the prompt again, no output :-S
[09:07:43] Dagmar: That would mean the file isn't there. That is not good.
[09:08:16] corinth: I assume not. I installed the mythtv packages through yast, shouldn't it have installed it?
[09:08:42] Dagmar: IMHO it *should* have come over with whatever package brought in mythbackend
[09:09:13] salkaman: how about just using locate from the root folder?
[09:09:40] Dagmar: Because locate doesn't exactly work like that
[09:11:13] Cackette`: sweet, got into mythweb
[09:11:31] corinth: Hmm, no packages directory in /usr/share/doc
[09:11:33] salkaman: apparently not, still re-learning this one after putting it down 8 years ago out of frustration with linux
[09:12:20] corinth: o_o
[09:12:27] corinth: Refreshed, and it was there o_O
[09:12:39] Dagmar: Cackette`: Remember, under Linux, very much UNLIKE Windows, when something breaks _usually_ what the program tells you about it _is how to fix it_.
[09:12:46] Dagmar: ...and again unlike Windows, it's usually _right_
[09:12:48] Dagmar: You can trust it
[09:13:12] Dagmar: I completely understand ignoring the hell out of anything Windows software says, but this is one of the ways in which Linux is _really_ agreeable.
[09:13:22] corinth: Ah, I think I see the problem. Don't think I installed mythtv-doc
[09:13:28] salkaman: never underestimate the Majikd process running
[09:13:38] Dagmar: corinth: Ugh. That was probably a bad call on the package makers part.  :/ Bummer/
[09:13:56] corinth: Yeah, didn't require it as a depencency.
[09:14:02] Cackette`: once i get my cable splitter, my HTPC will be at full us
[09:14:03] Cackette`: e
[09:14:08] Cackette`: until then, SD channels only
[09:14:10] Dagmar: Well, it's not a _runtime_ dependency, but it's *NOT* documentation
[09:14:23] Dagmar: It's actually a set of SQL calls.
[09:14:36] Dagmar: Basically, it's a script for mysql to read, not documentation for the user to read.
[09:14:43] Dagmar: ...so that was the wrong package to put it in.
[09:15:00] corinth: Can I control mythtv with the blaster port I have on my ir receiver, so that I don't have to use my satellite's remote to switch channels from the set top box?
[09:15:06] Cackette`: how does commercial flagging work
[09:15:13] Cackette`: i recorded an episode of smash lab and it found no commercials
[09:15:18] Dagmar: Cackette`: Pure magic mainly.  :0
[09:15:19] corinth: I mean, control the blaster port with mythtv, I think.
[09:15:35] salkaman: you should be able to with lirc (that's fun)
[09:15:35] Cackette`: so, does it NOT work?
[09:15:43] Dagmar: corinth: If you've got an IR transciever then yeah you should be able to just have the Myth box control everything
[09:15:55] Dagmar: Cackette`: no it does work, but it's not 100% reliable
[09:16:19] Dagmar: So many stations do different things to screw with commercial flagging it's pretty much never going to be able to be 100% accurate
[09:17:46] Dagmar: It looks for a number of things, like when what appears to be a station logo going away, the screen going entirely black for a few frames, etc, but there's enough other times that happens that you generally want to be ready to correct it
[09:17:46] Cackette`: ah
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[09:18:08] Dagmar: It did better than I expected it would have when I recorded Pitch Black a few days ago tho
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[09:19:32] Cackette`: This page contains pre-prepared complex searches of the program listings.
[09:19:36] corinth: DO I need to make the mythconverg database multi user?
[09:19:37] Cackette`: that is pretty nifty
[09:19:49] NineTeen67Comet: Does mythtv get too mad if you don't have a TV tuner card? I've only got a media server with content (backend I'm assuming) and a couple media computers with limited hard drives but connected to LCD tv sets and decent video cards. Is mythbuntu still p-erty good? (most of my boxes are Ubuntu with my two media storage computers (headless) being Debian)
[09:21:06] salkaman: it shouldn't as long as you don't try watching tv since you have no tuner
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[09:21:19] Cackette`: hrmm, how do i access mythweb from OUTSIDE my LAN?
[09:21:26] salkaman: i'm setting it up sans-tuner myself
[09:21:36] Cackette`: if i put in my IP, it goes to my router's control panel
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[09:22:19] Dagmar: You need to set up port forwarding in your router
[09:22:24] salkaman: you'd have to set a forward
[09:22:32] Cackette: for what port
[09:22:38] corinth: I have sattelite tv coming in from the set to pbox into my capture card. What channel drequency table should I use for the US?
[09:23:47] salkaman: i can't answer that one since i'm not recording with mine yet, i just set mine to us-bcast since that was my default
[09:24:53] NineTeen67Comet: Should I run mythtv-setup from my frontend box?
[09:25:03] Cackette: ok, i found port 6543 called MasterServerPort
[09:25:07] Cackette: but it still doesnt work
[09:25:45] gandalfcome: for port 80
[09:25:59] gandalfcome: you dont want to forward your stream
[09:26:06] Cackette: oh
[09:26:11] gandalfcome: you only want to forward your mythweb
[09:26:15] Cackette: there we go
[09:26:16] Cackette: thanks
[09:26:41] Cackette: now to setup a dyndns
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[09:26:56] salkaman: NineTeen67Comet: did you install mythbuntu from cd or the package?
[09:27:30] salkaman: because it should all be darned simple to follow the directions posted for the package, the cd does most of that work for you
[09:28:13] NineTeen67Comet: salkaman: I'll be putting mythbuntu on one of my media boxes to play with it, but I installed mythtv-database and mythtv-backend on my headless Debian box.
[09:28:39] ** NineTeen67Comet my deb boxes have most of the media files. **
[09:29:32] NineTeen67Comet: I read about mythDora too (never been a fan of Fedora, but if it is better suited).
[09:29:55] salkaman: but for backends, yeah mythtv-setup should be run to configure it
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[09:30:56] NineTeen67Comet: salkaman: can mythtv-setup be run via ssh on a headless box? I tried -X in my ssh command, but of course no x was found ..
[09:31:16] Cackette: fuck, this kept me up like 1.5 hours later than i should have
[09:31:50] salkaman: 1967Comet: it's a gui setup i think
[09:32:09] NineTeen67Comet: salkaman: no prob, I'll fire it up via my frontend box "when" I get that done . lol
[09:32:52] salkaman: no reason to worry about it until you get the frontend running to test it all out anyways ;)
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[09:34:22] NineTeen67Comet: I've continually failed at getting MythTV fired up, but as my knowledge grows my attempts seem to get closer (Linux knowledge)
[09:35:40] salkaman: i just went and did mythbuntu from cd, it went seamlessly once i got rid of the kernel drivers for the ur88a remote and built the lirc ones
[09:36:23] salkaman: just configuring the last bits so i can see my windows shares and add in some file extensions and such
[09:36:31] salkaman: then it'll be ready for downstairs
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[09:37:01] salkaman: and i can stop listening to my roommate complaining about having to watch videos on a computer screen or laptop
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[09:38:17] NineTeen67Comet: grin .. my wifes been crying about using the mouse to watch movies on a TV (Fonts are diffictult to see) .. we just got a pair of LCD tvs and all is nice now.
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[09:38:38] salkaman: fonts are awful on normal TVs
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[09:42:37] salkaman: oh, damn... i've been messing with this all day
[09:42:47] salkaman: i haven't even eaten, lol
[09:51:06] directhex|work: damn, i meant to mess with the rendering settings on my tv, to make it sexylicious
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[11:24:22] leprasmurf: hello all. Any recommendations on a mythtv distro?
[11:25:00] leprasmurf: I've tried knoppmyth and mythbuntu, and knoppmyth is better in my opinion. I'm wondering if I should go back to knoppmyth on a new install, or try something new
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[11:35:45] DustyBin: leprasmurf: wait a couple of weeks and mythtv .21 will be released
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[11:36:05] leprasmurf: DustyBin: I'm an impatient SOB:-P
[11:36:22] leprasmurf: DustyBin: I do want a distro that will allow me to upgrade with no issues, for that reason thouh
[11:36:58] DustyBin: leprasmurf: i would personally use a proper distro
[11:37:14] leprasmurf: such as?
[11:37:14] DustyBin: debian is the best distro for mythtv IMO
[11:37:52] DustyBin: nice easy to use package management system so you can keep everything uptodate
[11:38:00] DustyBin: and its stable as hell
[11:38:14] DustyBin: but personally i would compile mythtv rather than install a debian package
[11:38:28] leprasmurf: so would that include knoppmyth since it's debian based? or are you referring to something else?
[11:38:32] DustyBin: by doing that, you get to use extra options
[11:39:16] DustyBin: well you could use knoppmyth as it wouldnt require setting up like compiling it on debian would
[11:39:50] DustyBin: but you might also be missing a lot of stuff if you wanted to use your myth box for other stuff, like a mail server etc
[11:39:55] leprasmurf: I've used knoppmyth, I liked it. and my wife would get irritated if I brought our system down for days:-P
[11:40:05] leprasmurf: oic
[11:40:09] leprasmurf: no, this is a dedicated system
[11:40:21] DustyBin: aye ok, stick with knoppmyth then
[11:41:08] leprasmurf: k, I'll have to dl it again
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[11:45:09] directhex|work: hang on a sec...
[11:45:22] directhex|work: http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10005
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[11:54:31] leprasmurf: directhex|work: what's up with that link?
[11:54:54] leprasmurf: is there something other than instruction on how to set it up?
[11:55:22] directhex|work: it feeds into what DustyBin was saying – using your mythtv machine for more than just local tv watching
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[13:34:52] nayfly: Hey guys. I'm wanting to log into my mythtv box remotely using mythweb... is there a way to keep a log of my home computer's IP somewhere (such as on my private encrypted web server), or should I pay extra for a static IP?
[13:35:17] directhex|work: you want dyndns
[13:35:36] directhex|work: many routers will even manage a dyndns account for you
[13:36:10] nayfly: dyndns hey.... what's that and how do i get it?
[13:37:20] nayfly: okay, my router says that I have a dynamic dnsservice. I have to join a web site that stores the data or something?
[13:38:30] directhex|work: yes
[13:39:08] directhex|work: the website provides you with a hostname (e.g. 'nayfly.dyndns.org' that always resolves to your home ip – and is updated whenever required, by your router
[13:39:31] nayfly: sweet. perfect. and it seems to be free?
[13:39:41] directhex|work: yes
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[13:41:06] nayfly: cool. one more thing..... i have a number of computers connected to the network..... how do I connect to a single computer using that IP?
[13:41:31] directhex|work: you need to vonfigure your router to do 'port forwarding' for a specific port
[13:42:00] nayfly: ahh so it's port forwarding. gotcha. thanks directhex|work
[13:42:06] directhex|work: so, for example, a connection from the outside world to an ip address of (say) 81.70.70.81 on port 22 is then forwarded verbatim to the internal network machine 192.168.10.10
[13:43:23] nayfly: that's cool. i'm looking at using VNC from my gf's house
[13:43:51] nayfly: as well as mythweb
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[13:53:38] nayfly: directhex|work: So when i try to log into mythweb remotely using the dyndns service, what URL would I use? http://username.dyndns.org:80/mythweb?
[13:53:45] nayfly: because that doesn't seem to work?
[13:54:04] directhex|work: nayfly, assuming you set up correct port forwarding on port 80, yes
[13:54:27] directhex|work: and you actually have the correct ip currently on your dyndns account
[13:54:40] nayfly: ok. it might not be working because i'm trying to test it from within the network
[13:55:14] directhex|work: well, duh
[13:55:25] nayfly: lol
[13:55:36] nayfly: was worth a shot :P
[13:56:42] nayfly: do you have any experience with mythstream? (or whatever the thing that streams video via the net is called)
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[13:57:52] Merlin83b2: Hooray.
[13:57:56] Merlin83b2: New TV arrived this morning :)
[13:58:10] nayfly: ice dude. what'd you get?
[13:58:19] nayfly: ice = nice
[13:58:21] Merlin83b2: 42" LCD :)
[13:58:33] nayfly: a biggun! brand?
[13:58:36] Merlin83b2: LG
[13:58:50] Merlin83b2: To replace my ageing 40" Toshiba rear projection.
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[13:58:52] nayfly: ahh cool. you gonna use that sucka wiyh myth?
[13:58:59] Merlin83b2: Already up and running :)
[13:59:06] Dibblah: "sucka"? Oh dear.
[13:59:10] nayfly: hehe nice. native 1080?
[13:59:22] Merlin83b2: Copied the already prepared xf86 config file into place, restarted X, job done :)
[13:59:24] ** Dibblah enjoys his 80 incher. :) **
[13:59:37] nayfly: blimey!
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[13:59:43] Merlin83b2: Does 720p, and I'm going to guess it'll do 1080i but haven't had enough time to play yet!
[13:59:49] Merlin83b2: Had to come to work for the afternoon.
[14:00:19] nayfly: gotcha. i long for the day when i can use myth with a 1080p set.
[14:00:39] directhex|work: stupid crashy pc
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[14:01:10] nayfly: windows? ;P
[14:01:29] directhex|work: no
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[14:04:02] nayfly: anyways, i asked you before if you'd had any experience with mythstream, but i guess your pc crashed
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[14:10:52] directhex|work: mythstream? isn't that an unofficial transcoder plugin for mythweb 0.19?
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[16:09:29] iamlindoro__: Glad to see I haven't missed much on the way to work
[16:10:25] |Torg|: how many did you hit?
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[16:11:19] ** justinh waves **
[16:12:43] bradd: is there a secret to getting the opengl osd renderer to work with xvmc-opengl? when i set it to use opengl the video output is...not good.
[16:14:00] justinh: don't use xvmc :)
[16:14:07] |Torg|: bradd does it fail to work or does it just work slowly?
[16:14:43] bradd: with SD recordings i get a small black and white box displaying the video on a small portion of the screen
[16:14:52] bradd: HD i get no video
[16:15:17] ** directhex|work is unsure how xvmc-opengl would even work **
[16:15:42] bradd: the xvmc-opengl part works okay..if i set the osd rendered to chromakey it works fine
[16:15:48] bradd: just black and white osd
[16:15:52] |Torg|: Im not entirely certain it does work
[16:16:00] iamlindoro__: On my box even *plain* opengl only works the first time I play a video/TV... and thereafter is a black screen
[16:16:15] directhex|work: iamlindoro__, it's a joy and pleasure on mine
[16:16:22] bradd: okay well..i guess thats all i really need to know..it doesnt work..
[16:16:28] justinh: 0.21 might be full of joy joy joy then
[16:16:31] |Torg|: chromakey is needed for some nvidia cards to display the OSD when using xvmc, its not opengl
[16:16:32] directhex|work: iamlindoro__, smoother video playback, crisp osd and menu
[16:16:40] justinh: |Torg|: and via ;)
[16:17:00] iamlindoro__: directhex|work, Lucky you-- tihnk it may be problematic with my interlating selections but haven't devoted any time to troubleshooting it yet
[16:17:12] justinh: and fwiw, when the base res of the OSD isn't 640x480 it's amazing how good it can look
[16:17:29] |Torg|: bradd: I didnt say it does not work, jue that for me xvmc plain is faster then opengl
[16:17:33] directhex|work: iamlindoro__, i set a nice deinterlacer too. remind me later to actually do ti to my real frontend, not just my desktop
[16:17:51] directhex|work: justinh, can we have some osds that don't look like vomit in the default themes?
[16:17:53] bradd: ahh i see torg..i really just want to use opengl to get color osd
[16:18:03] justinh: directhex|work: no, I'm done with that now
[16:18:12] directhex|work: bah
[16:18:36] |Torg|: bradd: did you try adding chromakey to your x config?
[16:18:38] justinh: some other muh can do them
[16:18:41] justinh: *mug
[16:19:00] bradd: im not sure...what is the setting?
[16:19:26] bradd: i dont have a nvdia4/5 card in this box so i was under the impression chromakey isnt supported
[16:19:54] |Torg|: I dont believe it is there is a wiki page for it, I dont have it off the top of my had
[16:20:10] |Torg|: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC
[16:20:13] bradd: yea
[16:20:22] bradd: ive seen that
[16:20:59] |Torg|: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/7569
[16:21:15] directhex|work: i'll use gbee's osd, it looks inoffensive
[16:22:08] justinh: ugh I have another ticket
[16:22:31] justinh: I seriously thought I'd handed that badge back, or is this another Hotel California scenario?
[16:24:06] directhex|work: This is one time where television really fails to capture the true excitement of a large squirrel predicting the weather.
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[16:27:05] directhex|work: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/Groundhog2.jpg
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[16:27:20] iamlindoro__: The difference in level of conversation in this room between day and night (here) is startling
[16:27:39] iamlindoro__: Groundhog commentary aside ;)
[16:27:49] |Torg|: bradd: I run a NC 5900 and only have chromakey defined in my db, other then that it works fine
[16:28:21] directhex|work: iamlindoro__, you'd prefer a badger? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Badger1.jpg
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[16:28:46] iamlindoro__: Badgers? We don't need no stinking badgers
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[16:29:17] directhex|work: beaver? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . er_pho34.jpg
[16:29:19] iamlindoro__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinking_badges
[16:29:30] iamlindoro__: Everyone needs beaver
[16:30:37] |Torg|: at least a bit, from time to time
[16:32:11] directhex|work: and a bosom for a pillow
[16:33:44] justinh: ahh Brimful of a flop if Norman Cook hadn't remixed it ;)#
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[16:47:23] Geshka1963: Hi there
[16:48:11] Geshka1963: I have MythTV running on IBM T40 laptop and everything is fine, except one thing....
[16:48:36] Geshka1963: There no video or TV output to the second (external) monitoir
[16:49:07] justinh: everything is fine, apart from the TV part doesn't work :P
[16:49:20] Geshka1963: TV works on the laptop itself
[16:49:23] iamlindoro__: Strictly speaking, it's not really a myth issue, more of a general Linux/Xorg issue
[16:49:39] Geshka1963: True
[16:49:54] Geshka1963: lust looking for some advise here
[16:50:00] Geshka1963: just...
[16:50:33] directhex|work: what's the gpu?
[16:50:44] justinh: oh ffs my courtesy car provided by the insurance company is only for 14 days. that'll be fine if they settle the claim in time but....
[16:51:10] Ojg: is there a good site with many mythtv themes ?
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[16:52:07] iamlindoro__: hahaha
[16:52:19] iamlindoro__: You know he quit at that moment for comedic effect
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[16:53:31] iamlindoro__: Ojg, there are only a small number of myth themes period, and all of them worth having are in the Myth SVN repository, www.miffteevee.co.uk, or at www.mythtvthemes.co.uk
[16:53:47] Ojg: k thx m8
[16:53:59] iamlindoro__: no problem
[16:55:33] directhex|work: hit the mythtv wiki!
[16:55:37] directhex|work: it has pics n' links!
[16:56:57] Ojg: ty, hmm mythtvthemes.co.uk doesnt work =/
[16:57:42] iamlindoro__: Hmm, did Justin bring 'er down?
[16:57:52] iamlindoro__: looks like maybe
[16:59:59] directhex|work: iamlindoro__, http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/BLANKING_IN_PROGRESS
[17:00:40] iamlindoro__: heh
[17:01:45] iamlindoro__: I've actually be surprised at the restraint of people on the "Why Myth Sucks" article
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[17:02:14] iamlindoro__: ie, their restraint in not turning it in to an opportunity to make fun of the idiots who started it
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[17:03:08] directhex|work: iamlindoro__, which article?
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[17:03:19] iamlindoro__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Why_MythTV_Sucks
[17:03:46] iamlindoro__: Like, the feature wishlist wasn't enough? They had to be douchebags too?
[17:04:02] iamlindoro__: I guess they figured this page would get more "attention" than the feature wishlist page
[17:04:14] iamlindoro__: Which it may, but probably not the kind of attention they would like
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[17:09:11] |Torg|: Six button remote not enough <--- Why do you want a damn 6-button remote?
[17:09:29] |Torg|: Hidden Menus/Shape of Menu Tree <-- Its to protect the unwashed masses, moron
[17:10:10] |Torg|: Image quality not as good as actual live TV <-- Define actual, live tv. It does not exist unless you are sitting in the studio
[17:10:44] siXy: he probably has a lcd/plasma/decent crt that does a bunch of postprocessing on live tv
[17:11:10] siXy: (some of which is coming in 0.21 iirc)
[17:11:16] |Torg|: god only knows
[17:11:36] |Torg|: other then about a second of lag, there is no difference on my tv
[17:12:04] siXy: theres a lot of difference on my tv. due to aforementioned postprocessing – took me a while to realise what was going on
[17:12:44] |Torg|: I can understand if there was A/D conversion, eg PVR150/500. But thats hardware
[17:13:28] |Torg|: the 6 button remote is my favorite. Why so Apple can fuck up remotes like they did mouses
[17:14:10] siXy: as dvb-t is horrible, mpegy crap, decent TVs do a bunch of stuff to get rid of it – talking to people in here some of that is coming in 0.21, but other parts are simply too expensive to perform in myth
[17:14:21] siXy: yeah, that seems silly to me too
[17:14:32] |Torg|: istn dvb-t digital already?
[17:14:36] siXy: yes
[17:14:41] siXy: mpeg-w
[17:14:44] siXy: s/w/2/
[17:15:13] |Torg|: my atsc cards dump mpeg2 raw in the ts, all myth does (wel the dvb drives) is strip out a pid (well that and fix the mpeg problems)
[17:15:40] siXy: yeah, which means that (especially the rubbish channels) look bad on large displays
[17:15:53] |Torg|: the differnce in mpeg2 playback in mythtv i I can see the mpeg2 problems, I dunno if my tv has an error output, the sum effect is the same however
[17:15:57] bradd: |torg|: what nvidia driver version are you using?
[17:16:32] siXy: i wouldn't say there aren't problems with mythtv, especially the interface, but a lack of a 6 button remote isn't one of them
[17:16:50] |Torg|: bradd: holdon, its one of the legacy ones I cant remoember
[17:19:59] |Torg|: bradd: sorry its not, I dont remember upgrading the video but apparently I did. Its running 169.09
[17:22:41] bradd: hmm okay thanks. i cant seem to get any version to work properly under fedora 8.
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[17:26:58] |Torg|: the OS should not matter as much as the version of teh software that run on it
[17:30:06] |Torg|: when you say it does not work, in what way? does it fail to start, if so what error? does it coredump the box? does it conflict with other software?
[17:30:43] bradd: very high cpu load when playing back recorded programs..LOTS of prebuffering pauses
[17:31:27] |Torg|: did it work with any verison of mythtv/video/xvmc?
[17:31:59] bradd: sure..ive been using mythdora 4/fedora core 6 for 2 years or so..
[17:32:53] bradd: i dont need to run fedora 8..but have been messing with it on my test box
[17:33:04] |Torg|: are you sure then that this is a video driver issue?
[17:33:14] bradd: not really
[17:33:38] |Torg|: do you run a window manager?
[17:33:43] bradd: ratpoison
[17:33:52] |Torg|: does X got o 100% on a cpu? does X?
[17:34:20] bradd: i would say..yes but not really all the time..
[17:34:45] |Torg|: well when you see prebuffering pauses it is commnly caused by high cpu load
[17:35:14] |Torg|: if X is getting out of control, dump the window manger, if mythfrontend is getting out of control change you settings
[17:37:38] bradd: okay ill have to mess with it some more. thanks
[17:39:07] |Torg|: I also do not deinterlace, or to be technically correct I do not deinterlace with mythtv
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[17:39:32] |Torg|: I deinterlace by showing 1080I mpeg on a 1080I tv, so technically my TV is deinterlacing
[17:40:38] arod: I'm running myth on debian etch with fluxbox. I'd like to mount a cd and play a divx movie. What's the better way to achieve that?
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[17:44:17] iamlindoro__: if you set the mountpoint somewhere within your mythvideo directory, and use mythvideo in file browser mode, that would work
[17:44:42] iamlindoro__: (I'm presuming the divx movie is on the cd you'd like to mount)
[17:46:00] arod: iamlindoro__: I'll try
[17:46:44] iamlindoro__: or, perhaps more cleanly, a symlinked directory in your mythvideo directory to the CDs mountpoint
[17:47:09] arod: btw I'm using x11vnc -nofb to control keyboard and pointer via a wireless notebook since mythbox has no keyboard or mouse
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[17:48:41] |Torg|: it has keyboard controls
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[17:49:48] arod: |Torg|: via remote? It would take ages to write a sigle line
[17:50:06] |Torg|: via remote keyboard
[17:50:54] arod: |Torg|: how? I have no remote keyboard. I'm using another pc and vnc
[17:51:12] |Torg|: vnc is about the worst way to manage a box
[17:51:35] |Torg|: a remote keyboard is simple, its nothing more then a usb dangle RF to a RF keyboard
[17:51:40] |Torg|: as for remote management use ssh
[17:51:46] arod: |Torg|: so how could I send keyboard events?
[17:51:56] |Torg|: by hitting keyboard keys
[17:52:19] arod: I don't want to buy a remote keyboard for administration only
[17:52:27] |Torg|: then use ssh
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[17:52:44] arod: I can't use ssh to tweak mythtv menus
[17:52:49] |Torg|: I dont administer my box with the RF keybaord anyway, its my remote
[17:52:56] arod: ssh gives me console access
[17:53:18] |Torg|: and what, you want to administer the database? try mysql, try phpmyadmin
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[17:53:34] |Torg|: at the very worst use ssh -Y
[17:53:42] arod: |Torg|: I want to edit mythtv menus as I would if I had a keyboard attached
[17:54:02] |Torg|: hence my RF keyboard
[17:54:48] arod: I don't own one and I don't want to spend money on that. ir remote is enough for every day use
[17:55:22] |Torg|: if you didnt want opinions why did you ask for them?
[17:56:23] arod: |Torg|: I was asking for the right way to control keyboard with a remote pc. Thanks anyway
[17:59:16] |Torg|: realistinclly you shoudl handle keyboard entry from the sytem as the keyboard is an input device to X, not myth. You can send remote keybaord commands with X2X though
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[18:03:23] arod: |Torg|: thanks. I'll check x2x
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[18:16:21] mkrufky: I have some sample HD-PVR transport captures, if anybody wants to play .....
[18:16:32] mkrufky: unfortunately, i dont have anywhere to put them right now, \
[18:16:48] mkrufky: im looking for somewhere i can upload some ~11 mb files (10 sec captures)
[18:16:55] |Torg|: what are you trying to achieve?
[18:17:23] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, oooh
[18:18:09] mkrufky: ie: if anybody can recommend a place to upload, then i'll do it now... otherwise i gotta wait for my boss to get out of a meeting to give me access to out provider's server etc
[18:18:16] mkrufky: |Torg|: was that question for me?
[18:18:21] |Torg|: yessir :)
[18:18:32] mkrufky: HD-PVR
[18:18:38] mkrufky: it captures HD from component
[18:18:43] mkrufky: encodes into h264
[18:18:51] mkrufky: but the container format is non-standard
[18:18:58] |Torg|: the reason I ask is what do you use for a cature card?
[18:19:13] iamlindoro__: The HD-PVR *is* the capture card
[18:19:19] mkrufky: |Torg|: i work at hauppauge, and i am talking about the HD-PVR
[18:19:19] iamlindoro__: well, "card"
[18:20:04] |Torg|: ok lets make this more simple :). I have an HD dishnet tuner, and I want to record it. Short of components captuere or hdmi capture I cant
[18:20:21] mkrufky: http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/01/17/haup . . . umer-market/
[18:20:26] iamlindoro__: |Torg|, Torg, the HD PVR is component capture
[18:20:37] mkrufky: |Torg|: hd-pvr captures from component input
[18:20:44] mkrufky: they call it the "analog hole"
[18:21:02] |Torg|: I get that, thanks. Until now I did not know hardware existed
[18:21:16] mkrufky: anyway, i thought the ffmpeg guys might want to get a head start on the container format for decoding
[18:21:33] |Torg|: when, where, can I get one?
[18:21:48] iamlindoro__: They do have their sample upload, but it's write-only so no fun for joes like me
[18:21:51] mkrufky: see link, above
[18:22:09] directhex: mkrufky, the x264.nl bunch would have a use for them i expect
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[18:22:51] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/bugreports.html is where to u/l stuff for the ffmpeg guys, but maybe later you'll have a place where normal folks can take a look?
[18:23:03] |Torg|: yes mkrufky, I understnad what you are saying. I was jut thinking like a link to pre-order one
[18:23:27] mkrufky: we're not accepting pre-orders :-/
[18:23:48] mkrufky: iamlindoro__: eventually i'll post them on hauppauge's server ... just waiting for server access
[18:23:54] iamlindoro__: fair enoguh
[18:23:55] |Torg|: http://www.megaupload.com/
[18:23:57] iamlindoro__: er enough
[18:23:58] ** mkrufky tries the ffmpeg link, for now **
[18:24:04] |Torg|: its not exactly the best coice but its easy
[18:24:52] mkrufky: ah, cool
[18:24:57] mkrufky: ok will do, give me a few minutes
[18:25:10] iamlindoro__: I expect the HD PVR will be the reason post-.21 that we're teaching people to upgrade to trunk ;)
[18:25:15] mkrufky: warning: the reason why i am uploading these is because the stream format is not yet supported
[18:25:24] mkrufky: so, "normal users" wont see any video
[18:25:38] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, fair to say that it's vaguely Mpeg-2 TS based?
[18:25:52] mkrufky: vaguely, yes
[18:26:17] iamlindoro__: cool
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[18:28:55] iamlindoro__: any extra goodies/meta info in the stream that made using a non-standard transport a good idea?
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[18:30:36] mkrufky: upload to mplayerhq in progress
[18:30:48] mkrufky: cant say, iamlindoro
[18:31:01] mkrufky: i saw an opportunity to release these streams, so i jumped on it
[18:31:11] iamlindoro__: cool, thanks for that
[18:31:19] mkrufky: totally — no prob at all ;-)
[18:31:26] iamlindoro__: In case no one else get the opportunity/knows who to thank
[18:31:31] mkrufky: hehe
[18:32:02] iamlindoro__: Probably ought to leave them a little .txt so they know what they are and don't delete them
[18:33:10] mkrufky: megaupload also in progress
[18:33:20] |Torg|: thank you
[18:33:22] mkrufky: i names the files and folder accordingly
[18:33:25] mkrufky: they'll know
[18:33:30] mkrufky: s/names/named
[18:33:38] iamlindoro__: Good stuff
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[18:34:21] mkrufky: folder name: hauppauge_hd_pvr
[18:34:26] mkrufky: (for mplayerhq)
[18:35:14] mkrufky: ok,. now that business out of the way.......
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[18:35:20] mkrufky: this is my quote of the week:
[18:35:28] mkrufky: "three cards, charlotte... is that progress"
[18:35:29] mkrufky: ?
[18:35:51] ** mkrufky watches too much tv **
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[18:36:33] iamlindoro__: guess you're in the right business then ;)
[18:36:45] mkrufky: heh
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[18:37:25] iamlindoro__: Actually, I'm almost certain I've seen that quoted elsewhere in the last 24 horus, but don't know the reference
[18:37:28] iamlindoro__: er hours
[18:37:33] |Torg|: Lost
[18:37:34] mkrufky: LOST.
[18:37:47] iamlindoro__: ohhh, and I even *saw* that episode
[18:37:49] iamlindoro__: duh
[18:37:52] mkrufky: if you find a link with that quote, PLEASE show me
[18:38:02] |Torg|: http://lost.about.com/od/season4recaps/a/4x04recap_4.htm
[18:38:03] mkrufky: i am thoroughly intrigued with Dan Fariday
[18:38:28] mkrufky: ah, a recap
[18:38:42] mkrufky: im gonna watch the blurb episode tonight — i wonder if they'll say anything interesting
[18:39:48] mkrufky: ok... i never used megaupload before.... plz tell me if this works or not
[18:39:48] mkrufky: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4JN6XWCD
[18:40:11] |Torg|: seems to be
[18:40:15] iamlindoro__: Yes, that appears to work
[18:40:39] mkrufky: nice, thanx
[18:40:53] iamlindoro__: Who actually pays these people to download, anyway?
[18:41:07] |Torg|: hell if I know
[18:41:33] |Torg|: is the PVR-HD pci-x?
[18:41:34] iamlindoro__: I think there's a lot of pirating that goes on through those sites, though, so maybe they get business there
[18:41:45] iamlindoro__: USB
[18:42:04] mkrufky: |Torg|: usb
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[18:44:21] jduggan: anyone here running latest svn?
[18:44:24] jduggan: think its broke
[18:44:25] jduggan: :o
[18:44:42] jduggan: as in, wont compile broke
[18:45:56] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, hmm, well ffmpeg can at least see the PIDs, that's a good start :)
[18:46:26] mkrufky: ya
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[18:47:41] directhex: what's the hd-pvr doing for audio?
[18:50:05] iamlindoro__: Oh sweet Natalie Maines
[18:50:16] iamlindoro__: Picture quality is beautiful!
[18:51:19] directhex: mkrufky, that meant you!
[18:52:12] iamlindoro__: for anyone interested, haven't tried to play it, but via ssh, mplayer -vo jpeg:quality=95:outdir=./ -frames 3 -nosound hcw_hd_pvr_1080i_h264_cap04.ts worked well, am looking at screencaps from that file
[18:52:32] iamlindoro__: And i'm damn impressed
[18:52:45] |Torg|: Selected video codec: [ffh264] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg H.264)
[18:52:53] |Torg|: Selected audio codec: [faad] afm: faad (FAAD AAC (MPEG-2/MPEG-4 Audio) decoder)
[18:53:11] directhex: analog audio capture, then
[18:53:15] iamlindoro__: directhex, per some stuff he's said in the past, it's got optical in and will do encoding of that on the fly as well
[18:53:20] directhex: this is a custom container?
[18:53:55] iamlindoro__: Apparently... but semi-sorta readable already, apparently
[18:54:19] |Torg|: I can read the container, can not play it without errors
[18:54:38] iamlindoro__: |Torg|, if you want to look at the picture quality, I posted how above
[18:54:58] directhex: iamlindoro__, can you ff/rw?
[18:55:09] iamlindoro__: directhex, can't play, just dumped still frames
[18:55:20] iamlindoro__: so that I could look at the pretties
[18:55:45] |Torg|: yes iamlindoro, than you. I was commenting on the ts itslef. I agree the frame capture looks beautiful
[18:55:56] |Torg|: err thank you
[18:56:04] mkrufky: directhex: AAC
[18:56:06] mkrufky: ...i think
[18:56:17] |Torg|: yes, so sayd mplayer
[18:56:39] directhex: mkrufky, so stereo capture from rca jacks?
[18:57:57] mkrufky: more or less... yes
[18:58:04] mkrufky: er
[18:58:14] mkrufky: THIS stream used stereo capture from rca jacks
[18:58:21] mkrufky: but the device provides many other options for input
[18:58:25] mkrufky: i cant say now, tho
[18:58:51] mkrufky: but your 1st and second guess will be correct — i just cannot ack
[18:59:00] iamlindoro__: hehe
[18:59:16] directhex: hdmi, and telepathy. neat!
[18:59:17] mkrufky: btw, somebody leaked all the secrets already
[18:59:28] mkrufky: if you google enough, you'll find out whatever u want to know
[19:00:12] directhex: ndas always make so much sense after el reg or the inq have leaked full details :)
[19:00:20] mkrufky: hehehe
[19:00:59] directhex: http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/
[19:03:27] |Torg|: it seems to nove have timesynchs
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[19:20:50] mkrufky: |Torg|: u talking about that capture?
[19:21:06] mkrufky: iamlindoro__: i tried your command line and doesnt work for me — maybe you have a newer ffmpeg
[19:21:24] mkrufky: iamlindoro__: for me, if i try to play the file, i see a few frames before it craps out
[19:21:45] mkrufky: iamlindoro__: and with the jpeg thing, it just gets a few stills of those same frames that i see before it craps out
[19:21:59] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, yeah, it's possible-- my ffmpeg is SVN 11584 and my mplayer is SVN 25826
[19:22:04] mkrufky: ....and thats why i uploaded the file, because i think that it will need some attention before it works properly
[19:22:10] mkrufky: ah, i think that explains it
[19:23:24] iamlindoro__: I think it will certainly need some attention, but I was happy to see even a few frames
[19:24:11] iamlindoro__: Heck, even one frame at least gives an idea of how nice it looks-- and at only 9ish Mbit!
[19:24:27] mkrufky: btw, those captures were some pbs show --- it was a 1080i capture, but unluckily, the program had some old film playback at the time
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[19:24:40] mkrufky: yeah, thats a 9mbit cbr cap
[19:24:48] mkrufky: the thing can go up to 25 mbit, afaik
[19:24:58] mkrufky: and it supports vbr too
[19:25:09] mkrufky: (but i dont trust vbr above 13.5 mbit)
[19:25:45] ** mkrufky downloads ffmpeg from svn **
[19:26:41] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, to be fair, I only dumped the three frames at the front with SVN mplayer, i doubt it will do much more than that at this point-- and probably ffmpeg won't do much of anything with it (besides inspect the container)
[19:27:02] mkrufky: ok then ... saves me some time
[19:27:08] mkrufky: i'll try again next week :-)
[19:27:34] iamlindoro__: Hehe... Maybe I'll stoke the fire a bit on ffmpeg-dev
[19:27:41] mkrufky: yeah!
[19:27:52] iamlindoro__: "Hey, has anyone had a chance to look at those hd-pvr samples yet?"
[19:28:04] mkrufky: the transfer stopped in the middle
[19:28:13] mkrufky: i dont know how many clips got uploaded successfully
[19:28:17] mkrufky: (there were 5)
[19:28:18] iamlindoro__: Ahh
[19:28:32] iamlindoro__: Well, maybe I'll namedrop the rapidshare link a bit too
[19:28:37] mkrufky: but 1 should be enough, anyway
[19:28:42] mkrufky: yeah
[19:29:14] mkrufky: very cool... thanks, iamlindoro
[19:29:17] iamlindoro__: As you say, it's clearly the transport that needs work, support for the codecs themselves appears more than adequate
[19:29:23] mkrufky: yes
[19:29:24] iamlindoro__: Me? for what!? Thank *you*!
[19:29:26] mkrufky: heh
[19:32:59] mkrufky: ok...six and a half more hours........
[19:33:23] iamlindoro__: wha, for the upload? ewwww
[19:33:23] mkrufky: nah, for LOST
[19:33:23] iamlindoro__: oh, right
[19:33:25] iamlindoro__: 9.5 for me
[19:33:50] mkrufky: i woke up today thinking, "i dont wanna drive to the office,..... is it 9pm yet?"
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[20:10:17] |Torg|: mkrufky: sorry I was on the phone, yes the capture. If I play it with mplayer I get about the first 10 seconds or so, then it complains about not being able to deinterlace PAFF and finally startes complaining about not findinf the 12 1's for ADTS sync, then it dies in about 20 seconds
[20:10:38] iamlindoro__: I think/thought the samples were only 10 seconds long anyway
[20:11:23] |Torg|: A: 10.0 V: 2.7 A-V: 7.289 ct: 0.416 135/135 230% 4% 3.5% 112 0
[20:11:33] |Torg|: aparently longer as that is how far it gets before crashing
[20:11:35] mkrufky: the samples are only 10 sec long
[20:11:45] mkrufky: in fact, they're approx 9.5 sec
[20:11:52] iamlindoro__: Duration: 00:00:09.8, start: 0.387044, bitrate: 9454 kb/s
[20:11:56] mkrufky: yeah
[20:11:58] |Torg|: ok, but I dint rn a stopwatch it was more "how lng I think it was"
[20:12:15] mkrufky: gotcha./// i didnt use a stopwatch when i took the capture, either :-P
[20:12:27] mkrufky: maybe there's garbage at the end of the stream
[20:12:40] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, Got a little bite from the ffmpeg-dev list, btw
[20:12:44] mkrufky: oh?
[20:12:55] iamlindoro__: although I douchily topposted in reply ;)
[20:13:06] mkrufky: douch!
[20:13:16] ** mkrufky never typed that word, before **
[20:13:38] iamlindoro__: As they say where I'm from, with a name like Måns Rullgård, he's GOT to be good
[20:13:53] iamlindoro__: I don't have any circly thingies in my name
[20:13:54] mkrufky: :-?
[20:13:58] |Torg|: it could also be that my box can not play 264 without going to 100%, jut barly makign it, occasionsly dropping frames without xvmc
[20:14:36] mkrufky: yeah, thats the tough thing about HD captures @ h264 — extremely cpu intensive for playback
[20:14:53] hexxeh: threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all
[20:15:08] mkrufky: would it be helpful if i took some captures @ 480i, too ?
[20:15:15] mkrufky: (as opposed to 1080i)
[20:15:41] iamlindoro__: Then we can not play smaller files?  ;)
[20:15:46] |Torg|: if your after being able to play them back yes
[20:15:53] mkrufky: maybe///
[20:15:56] mkrufky: i guess we'll find out
[20:15:57] mkrufky: brb
[20:16:24] |Torg|: recording them in 262 would be preferable from my standpoint, im pretty sure most people would disagree with me tho
[20:17:15] |Torg|: hmm is h264 plays at 100% and h262 plays at 50% would x263 play at 75% :)
[20:27:08] iamlindoro__: ah, at last! ffmpeg patched to support "default stream" in a mux
[20:27:20] iamlindoro__: well, patch submitted, anyway
[20:28:58] mkrufky: ok, uploading a new ts
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[20:38:16] mkrufky: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4FEECLDP
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[20:44:33] |Torg|: FAAD: compressed input bitrate missing, assuming 128kbit/s!
[20:44:43] |Torg|: VIDEO H264(pid=4113) AUDIO AAC(pid=4352) NO SUBS (yet)! PROGRAM N. 1
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[20:44:59] |Torg|: [h264 @ 0x88a96d8]PAFF interlacing is not implemented??% ??,?% 0 0
[20:45:24] |Torg|: Seasame Street?
[20:45:24] iamlindoro__: I imagine the AAC bitrate *is* present, just masked by the improper reading of the mux
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[20:45:53] mkrufky: correct, iamlindoro
[20:46:04] mkrufky: |Torg|: it's recorded from noggin
[20:46:15] mkrufky: it's like Nikelodeon for canadians
[20:46:21] mkrufky: (sp?)
[20:46:35] Kernel: hello all. im trying to use sipie to listen to sirus radio..and i know its not a plugin or w/e..but i have sipie working but when i goto play a sirius stream it doesnt play and i see "[mplayer] <defunct>" if i do ps x
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[20:47:02] |Torg|: I saw what I thought was a muppet talkign about magic beans, its been years since I have watched any kids shows in depth to now what they are
[20:47:36] mkrufky: hehe
[20:47:42] |Torg|: and we get Noggin too, I just dont watch it :P
[20:47:51] mkrufky: co-worker is using it now ... i guess he's watching noggin
[20:47:54] iamlindoro__: Can't watch Degrassi without it!
[20:48:02] mkrufky: rather than capturing thoise myself, i just grabbed 'em from him
[20:48:20] mkrufky: here's another
[20:48:20] mkrufky: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZS7QF541
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[20:52:10] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, Is most of the HD-PVR work being done now software polishing? Only if you're able to say, of course
[20:52:26] iamlindoro__: and, if you're able, how goes the plastics design?
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[21:04:38] directhex: iamlindoro, ever had a disc "dvd decrypter" won't touch?
[21:04:59] iamlindoro__: directhex, If it was ArcOSS or similar, yeah
[21:05:25] directhex: iamlindoro__, NAFAIK. what's the procedure for arcoss, anyway?
[21:05:46] iamlindoro__: I tend to do most of my ripping on AnyDVD in windows these days as it circumvents everything I've run in to (blasphemy, I know!)
[21:06:02] iamlindoro__: that said, I know there are linux-friendly ways to do it, just not a lot of experience with them
[21:06:45] iamlindoro__: I think that those ways constitute ripping the disc including the bit errors, scanning the resultatnt fiels and getting a bad bit map, rewriting the VOBs while cutting out the bad sectors, and rewriting the IFOs to match
[21:06:50] iamlindoro__: let me see if I can dig up a link
[21:07:24] directhex: hm, vobcopy is happy with this. i wonder why dvd decrypter is sucking
[21:08:03] iamlindoro__: Hmm, dunno... saves me finding a link ;)
[21:08:42] directhex: gotta lug the file from here to wifey's pc now though :/
[21:11:11] mkrufky: iamlindoro__: sorry, cant say anything about that
[21:11:21] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, Totally understand
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[21:11:50] iamlindoro__: hmmm
[21:12:25] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, this from ffmpeg-dev: "There is nothing wrong with those files AFAICT (I don't have a strict MPEG TS checker at hand), and FFmpeg handles them without a glitch."
[21:12:35] iamlindoro__: perhaps it's me who needs to update my ffmpeg/mplayer
[21:12:42] mkrufky: very interesting
[21:13:06] mkrufky: i cant say the guy's wrong.... but......
[21:13:16] mkrufky: i cant say he's right, either
[21:13:19] mkrufky: it doesnt play for me
[21:13:26] mkrufky: but i dont have the latest ffmpeg / mplayer
[21:13:35] iamlindoro__: heh... well, I guess I can svn up both and check it out when I get home
[21:13:54] iamlindoro__: and cross my fingers that my patches still all apply to new mplayer SVN
[21:13:58] mkrufky: for me, it only plays for me in windows on a machine with the correct dshow filters installed
[21:14:30] iamlindoro__: well, I'll give it an SVN up and report back in the next few hours on results
[21:15:29] mkrufky: ok,. cool
[21:15:46] mkrufky: if im not here at that time, please feel free to email me with your results
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[21:15:56] iamlindoro__: ok, I shall
[21:17:12] iamlindoro__: whew, the stuff I've got to patch still applies, that's good news
[21:18:44] mkrufky: nice
[21:20:17] iamlindoro__: Until ffmpeg decides to stop arguing about e-ac-3 and MLP, I'm forced to continue to update patches and apply them to be able to play blu-ray rips... I wouldn't have this problem if I would just pirate my movies like the rest of the world :)
[21:20:54] mkrufky: lol
[21:21:31] mkrufky: with an hd-pvr, you can rip them and then burn them back to a regular DVD in blu-ray format
[21:22:01] mkrufky: (but it will probably take some more disc's if you want to keep the quality and entire length of the film)
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[21:23:03] iamlindoro__: Sure. Well, as it is I with patched ffmpeg I suppose I *could* do a -vcodec copy and -acodec liba52 and get something more manageable... have just been lazy and would need to find the processor time for it
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[21:24:37] ** iamlindoro__ is skewed enough as is **
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[21:38:25] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, here's a question for you, and this is as a linuxtv dev rather than a Hauppauge employee-- You think it would be remotely possible to use the h.264 encoder chip on the HD-PVR as a hardware accelerator through which to pass another stream, ie not through component in? Forgive me if that seems a silly question.
[21:38:50] iamlindoro__: erm, that is to say, a hardware accelerator for h.264 encoding
[21:38:56] mkrufky: i plead the 5th amendment
[21:39:04] iamlindoro__: Ah. OK.  :)
[21:39:19] mkrufky: so much that i *want* to say
[21:39:29] mkrufky: thats what sucks about cool companies hiring linux devs
[21:39:31] iamlindoro__: haha, I completely understand, I apologize for putting you in the position
[21:39:39] mchou: haha, no doubt
[21:39:49] fryfrog: maybe you could point us (him) to someone that could answer it? :)
[21:40:02] mkrufky: not this time
[21:40:09] mkrufky: all i can say is, "stay tuned"
[21:40:12] mchou: well, I wouldnt go so far as to call hauppauge "cool"
[21:40:15] mkrufky: (pun)
[21:40:27] fryfrog: ah, not that you are saying it won't happen... but maybe when it comes out, you can talk more openly about it?
[21:40:42] mkrufky: i never said anything
[21:40:43] directhex: when the nda is lifted, will you still be unable to discuss "alternate" useage scenarios such as the one iamlindoro just suggested?
[21:41:09] mkrufky: its one of those times when i must pretend i didnt see the question
[21:41:10] mkrufky: or...
[21:41:14] fryfrog: haha
[21:41:19] mkrufky: leave the room, so it looks like my isp farked up
[21:41:25] mchou: no habla espagnole
[21:41:31] mkrufky: hablo un poco
[21:41:41] fryfrog: i was telling my woman about that card the other day
[21:41:45] mkrufky: pero, no soy hispanico
[21:42:03] fryfrog: when it comes out, i'll happily hang up my air2pc cards and my pvr500 and get another pair of HD Tuners from cable co :)
[21:42:10] fryfrog: firewire can lick my sweaty nut sack
[21:42:15] fryfrog: is there an official release date?
[21:42:24] ** mkrufky pushes that graphic thought out of his head **
[21:42:32] mchou: fryfrog: what's wrong with firewire?
[21:42:40] fryfrog: it hates me :p
[21:42:43] mkrufky: look.....
[21:42:49] fryfrog: i'll try it again out here in Palo Alto
[21:42:52] fryfrog: instead of Atl
[21:42:59] mkrufky: please — google it — somebody leaked some info, and it's WAAAAAY more than im allowed to say
[21:43:01] mchou: fryfrog: that's why it aint showing ya love :)
[21:43:01] fryfrog: but if the component input card works :)
[21:43:07] fryfrog: mkrufky: okay :)
[21:43:12] iamlindoro__: fryfrog, We do pretty well in the Bay Area, you may do better than before
[21:43:17] fryfrog: cool
[21:43:31] fryfrog: i'm *pretty* sure that 80% of my problem was that I was using their HD-DVR
[21:43:43] fryfrog: I think if I'd had their HD Tuners, I mighthave had better luck
[21:43:51] fryfrog: i *did* get all the channels i paid for, so that was awesome
[21:44:00] iamlindoro__: fryfrog, 20 minutes south of you I get 95% of my stuff via firewire
[21:44:00] fryfrog: i just only got about 50% of the attempted recordings :(
[21:44:05] mchou: fryfrog: yeah, just get the HD tuner, not the PVR
[21:44:06] fryfrog: iamlindoro__: cool!
[21:44:18] fryfrog: mchou: they forced the PVR on me, it was lame :(
[21:44:36] mkrufky: anybody get that working with TimeWarner Cable?
[21:44:38] mchou: fryfrog: did they also charge you extra $5?
[21:44:39] fryfrog: i called, asked for hd tuner (to replace my hd-dvr), they said "yeah, sure, we schedule someone!"
[21:44:42] fryfrog: no
[21:44:46] mkrufky: :-(
[21:44:50] fryfrog: guy comes out, walks out with my hated hd-dvr
[21:44:54] fryfrog: and back in with... 2 more!
[21:44:59] fryfrog: i was like... "poop" :?
[21:45:14] mchou: fryfrog: dude, go down to the office yourself. no need to have them send a tech out
[21:45:22] fryfrog: they wouldn't let me, at that time
[21:45:29] mchou: huh???
[21:45:29] fryfrog: then i gave up and just used pvr500 :)
[21:45:33] mkrufky: omg, here they charge me to send over a tech
[21:45:36] fryfrog: yeah, seriously :p
[21:45:40] mchou: they wouldnt let you go to the office?
[21:45:44] mkrufky: if i want to get ANYTHING done i hav eto go to the office
[21:45:51] fryfrog: now they let us goto office
[21:45:56] fryfrog: my mom picked up here dvr from there
[21:46:08] fryfrog: iamlindoro__: is there a comcast office in the bay area?
[21:46:13] fryfrog: (just moved in)
[21:46:18] fryfrog: actually, haven't even moved
[21:46:18] mchou: fryfrog: plenty
[21:46:24] fryfrog: cool
[21:46:29] fryfrog: mchou: you here too?
[21:46:33] mchou: fryfrog: but not if you live in shallow alto
[21:46:45] mchou: fryfrog: yup
[21:46:46] directhex: hm. "ambarella"
[21:46:47] fryfrog: what is the model name/number of this new component encoder?
[21:47:14] fryfrog: i'm in palo alto now, living with some hippy lady who rents her house out
[21:47:16] mchou: fryfrog: comcast sucks in shallow alto
[21:47:27] fryfrog: but wife arrives tonight and we go apartment hunting
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[21:48:17] mchou: fryfrog: you have comcast now in PA?
[21:48:28] fryfrog: no, i rent a single room in a 4 room house
[21:48:34] fryfrog: nfi what she has, but none of my "gear" is here
[21:48:40] fryfrog: just a laptop and 2 suitcases of cloths
[21:48:46] mchou: fryfrog: does the house get comcast is what I'm saying
[21:48:57] fryfrog: once we find an apartment, we'll be making the cross country drive
[21:49:14] fryfrog: i honestly don't know, i'll only be there for a month or so and i haven't even sat in her living room :)
[21:49:23] mchou: lol
[21:49:25] fryfrog: we are looking in the redwood city and menlo park area
[21:49:42] mchou: good luck man
[21:49:46] fryfrog: maybe san jose, got a few recommendations from people here at facebook
[21:49:53] mchou: screw SJ
[21:49:55] fryfrog: the *tough* part is having a dog and 2 cats :(
[21:49:59] fryfrog: oh?
[21:50:03] fryfrog: why for?
[21:50:09] mchou: not if you value your life and sanity
[21:50:18] fryfrog: explain?
[21:50:23] mchou: traffic is MISERABLE
[21:50:25] mkrufky: i thought menlo park was in jersey
[21:50:41] fryfrog: i didn't know there was a SOHO in london :)
[21:50:49] mchou: fryfrog: who ever recommended SJ to you is a hick
[21:51:14] fryfrog: it was an apartment community that is dog/cat friendly and is named after trees
[21:51:20] mchou: cause no self respecting person wants to live in SJ unless they dont have any other choice
[21:51:24] fryfrog: "Northpark" or somthing? with pine and sycamore and shit like that
[21:52:03] mkrufky: oh, south jersey... i got it now
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[21:52:13] fryfrog: we have an appointment to see a place in rw city and menlo on sunday
[21:52:18] fryfrog: menlo is a lot closer to work
[21:52:19] mchou: fryfrog: drive around SJ and you'll know what I mean. more cops in that city than anywhere else in the bay area
[21:52:28] mkrufky: i used to have an office in the mall over there
[21:52:48] fryfrog: we'll only have 1 car, so we *have* to be either biking distance from one work place, walking distance or public transit
[21:52:48] mchou: and that's certainly not a "good" indicator
[21:53:09] mchou: fryfrog: public transit is decent in bay area
[21:53:10] mkrufky: back in the good ol' days when i could buy gas for $1.37/gal
[21:53:14] directhex: fryfrog, soho IS in london. any other sohos you are aware of are fakes
[21:53:18] fryfrog: yeah, thank god
[21:53:27] fryfrog: there is a soho in NYC :p
[21:53:28] mchou: mkrufky: that's when b4 BUSH took office
[21:53:36] mkrufky: no
[21:53:45] mkrufky: it was ~ 5 years ago
[21:53:58] fryfrog: before bush invaded the middle east?
[21:54:10] directhex: new york (york being a british city), formerly known as new amsterdam (a netherlands city)?
[21:54:16] mkrufky: err... 4 years ago
[21:54:19] mkrufky: it was in 2004
[21:54:23] directhex: great place to find orignality is new yoik ;)
[21:54:23] mchou: it's no accident gas prices have risen 2x sing bush first took office
[21:54:32] mchou: since*
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[21:55:02] mkrufky: maybe not $ 1.37 .... i know for sure it was $1.7x when i left, and i remember paying less that $1.49 at some point... $1.37 sounds right to me
[21:55:08] mkrufky: and yeah, you're right ... bush sucks
[21:55:32] directhex: pfft. whiners. know what petrol costs me right now?
[21:55:38] mkrufky: did you hear me complain?
[21:55:44] mkrufky: no — just reminiscing
[21:55:50] mkrufky: :-)
[21:55:52] mchou: stfu. Blair was in on it
[21:55:56] directhex: (UK£ 1.04900) per litre = 7.89136356 US$ per US gallon
[21:56:14] mchou: if Blair wasnt Bush's lapdog we wouldnt be in this position
[21:56:22] directhex: i've never actually paid less than (UK£ 0.089) per litre = 0.669524649 US$ per US gallon since i've had a driving license
[21:56:44] mchou: so stop your Brit "holier than thou" attitude
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[21:57:22] mchou: you do the crime, you pays the price
[21:57:37] fryfrog: iamlindoro__: so where in the bay area do you live?
[21:57:44] fryfrog: and mchou right?
[21:58:22] mchou: fryfrog: yeah
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[21:58:55] mchou: fryfrog: just don't sign a one year lease
[21:59:15] mchou: cause you'll fuck up the first place you move :)
[21:59:26] mchou: trust me on this
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[22:00:09] mchou: you need time to get to know Bay Area well enough to know what works and what doesnt
[22:00:31] mchou: In fact moving the wife out so soon may be a mistake......
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[22:01:51] mchou: but the good news is that it's probably a good renters' market right now......
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[22:09:40] iamlindoro__: fryfrog, sorry, was in a meeting-- I'm in San Jose-- But I know there is a guy in Foster City with the same wide-open firewire, so that's either side of PA-- I think you've got a good shot of getting a substantial amount via firewire-- I go to the comcast office in San Jose, but PA likely has its own... you can just walk in and ask for the DCH-3200 which is what works well for me.
[22:13:02] directhex: iamlindoro__, your day needs some http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwbVQetLqfM
[22:13:21] iamlindoro__: Does that dude have a PET BADGE?
[22:13:25] iamlindoro__: BADGER?
[22:13:36] iamlindoro__: AND a pet otter??
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[22:14:53] directhex: it's a wildlife hospital. chances are it's up the road from my parents, actually
[22:15:19] iamlindoro__: Wow
[22:15:19] directhex: no, "Secret World Wildlife Rescue in Somerset, England.". that's not the one near my parents
[22:15:44] directhex: and, before someone raises the point, "lol, American baders are different from Eurasian badgers... Yours are like mini wolverines, ours are like slightly fat stripy weasels..." (from the youtube comments)
[22:16:44] |Torg|: how about "raising wild animals as pets perverts nature and subverts the animals ability to survive"
[22:17:42] directhex: |Torg|, "The otter cub in the video was an orphan that was placed in a group of badger orphans whilst being hand reared. Once the hand rearing had been finished, the group were split up so that the badgers could learn how to do badger things, and the otter could learn how to do otter things! All wildlife cared for at Secret World, including the orphans, are done so so with the end goal to release them back into the wild"
[22:18:48] |Torg|: I didnt say there were not good intended, just that hand rearing wild animals makes then less viable in the wild
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[22:18:59] |Torg|: or at least hand raising deer and ducks do.
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[22:19:21] directhex: the counterpoint to '"let 'em die" is this cute fuzzy face: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . IMG_8095.jpg
[22:19:28] directhex: would you let that cute fuzzy face die?
[22:19:33] |Torg|: yes
[22:20:11] directhex: it's official, |Torg| hates cute animals
[22:20:13] |Torg|: would I intentialy kill deer, not to eat them, but rather that the larger heard can live, yes..we call it culling
[22:20:48] |Torg|: I dont hate animals, I hate human ideals that we somehow "save" them by removing them from their habitat and raising them
[22:20:56] |Torg|: Dinsey has warped peoples minds
[22:20:59] mchou: |Torg|: bingo!
[22:21:38] mchou: dumbass humans ascribe anthropomorphic emotions to animals
[22:22:00] |Torg|: well said
[22:22:01] mchou: just silly as all get out
[22:23:15] mchou: humans need a mauling by tigers to understand what it's all about (like in San Fran Zoo) :)
[22:24:46] |Torg|: or simply wait for the "cute fuzzy face" to grow up and kill a human for "trespassing" on its teratory
[22:24:58] mchou: yeah, that too
[22:25:29] directhex: it's called compassion. singular acts of kindness are possible even without expectation of reciprocation
[22:25:30] mchou: of couse the chance of me tresspassing on polar bear territory is nil
[22:25:41] mchou: course*
[22:26:10] |Torg|: same here, I dont screw with a polar bear becase I know better
[22:26:26] AndyCap: |Torg|: umm, I thought screwing bears was illegal
[22:26:37] |Torg|: I dont make a polar bear know the sent of humans and somehow want to be ner them, smell somehting they like to eat, then decide they want to eat it.
[22:26:38] mchou: lol
[22:27:15] mchou: |Torg|: a little association goes a long way :)
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[22:28:01] AndyCap: re: bears: http://i14.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/d6/97/1c95_1.JPG
[22:28:36] |Torg|: ok Ill tell you what, go get a red truck and drive it up on my land where the cows are. If the cows are in your way, blow your horn, go on I know you want to. Becae you know it wil lmake the cows move, right. Not, theyll come to your tuck looking for food. Ever piss off a cow becase you dint have food for it?
[22:28:59] mchou: haha!!
[22:29:12] mchou: |Torg|: that has happened to you??
[22:29:12] directhex: i'm not sure how that's related
[22:29:24] |Torg|: not to me, do my borther in law
[22:29:33] mchou: lol
[22:29:56] |Torg|: directhex: treating animals as if they somehow had human quaities is most often wrong adn very often dangerous
[22:30:25] directhex: if, on the same cow land, a cow rejected its calf. what would be the procedure?
[22:31:02] |Torg|: fead it with a bottle untill it was old enough to either breed more cows, or slaughter for food
[22:31:16] directhex: you're already tempering, then
[22:31:20] directhex: you're meant to watch it die
[22:31:21] |Torg|: or if you have the facilaties it becomes veal
[22:31:35] |Torg|: there my property, I dont raise wild cows. I riase meat
[22:31:42] directhex: bottle feeding? what kind of hippy bullshit is that?
[22:32:03] |Torg|: the kind that makes a cow you can use
[22:32:16] |Torg|: and I have yet to see a cow reject a calf, in fact they can be quite protective of them
[22:32:27] directhex: and in the case of knut the polar bear, born in and for a zoo, you disagree with bottle feeding it?
[22:32:42] |Torg|: in a zoo, its not wild
[22:32:46] |Torg|: in the wild, yes
[22:33:28] |Torg|: I have no problem with people hand raising animails, I have probelms iwth then thinking they can release them later'
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[22:33:45] |Torg|: I have probelms with them thinking hand riased animals are somehow safe
[22:33:58] Josh_: Is there a way to stream the video through mythweb rather than download?
[22:34:12] mchou: |Torg|: that's why I mentioned SF Zoo
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[22:34:26] mchou: |Torg|: Tiger was hand raised
[22:34:44] mchou: |Torg|: didnt stop it from killing and mauling
[22:35:06] |Torg|: and the tiger jsut decided to go killing one day?
[22:35:22] mchou: sometimes I wonder who is smarter, humans or animals :)
[22:35:24] directhex: Josh_, on 0.21, yes
[22:35:29] |Torg|: or do you think someones uncontroled kids maybe, jsut perhaps, we doing things like tapping on the glass to piss it off
[22:35:49] mchou: |Torg|: I'm sure plenty kids pissed it off
[22:36:13] |Torg|: nad yes Josh_, you can do it in .21 depending on what format the video is in already..eg it does nto work well on HD
[22:36:33] mchou: but it also chewed off the arm off the zookeeper who was feeding it
[22:36:34] Josh_: |Torg|, even on gigabit?
[22:37:12] |Torg|: Josh_: its not speed realted, well not ethernet speed, its cpu speed. It will try to encode it to a flash video
[22:37:54] directhex: MOAR MHZ
[22:38:33] xris: |Torg|: the asx stuff can be made to work, too... just fine with HD
[22:38:46] xris: none of that stuff is really true "streaming" but it works well enough
[22:38:46] mchou: |Torg|: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatiana_(tiger)
[22:39:22] |Torg|: mchou: I conside the bear, like the tiger to be part of a product the zoo sells. I assume they have people compitant in handling those aniamls. And I assume they have architects design the areas so that they do not have a chance to escape. Onfortunatly now all zoos are like that. And for the most part I think zoos are cruel
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[22:39:53] |Torg|: Komejan's right arm was severely injured as a result,[3] and the California Occupational Safety and Health Administration later found the zoo at fault due to inadequate safety precautions and inadequate staff training.[
[22:40:15] |Torg|: The Zoo decided not to destroy Tatiana because, in the words of then Zoo director M. Mollinedo, "the tiger was acting as a normal tiger does."
[22:40:20] |Torg|: really tigers eat people normally?
[22:40:31] mchou: lol
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[22:41:43] mchou: tigers are opportunitistic predators. They are equal opportunity and don't discriminate
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[22:46:10] |Torg|: Josh_: did you get your question answerd? This channel really is for mythtv, depsite the fact we often get sidetracked
[22:46:50] Josh_: |Torg|, yeah, it was answered, thanks.
[22:47:49] Josh_: I'm just frustrated with my remote, and my video card at the moment
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[22:52:08] |Torg|: xris: I assume you mean simply making the asx as a wrapper arround the mprg.
[22:54:53] fryfrog: mchou: yeah, we will shoot for a month to month or 6mo lease on any place that doesn't look like "the one"
[22:55:03] fryfrog: (a little delayed) :)
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[23:03:23] |Torg|: xris: would it be posible to get episode information in the season/eppisode format in SD?
[23:04:09] xris: |Torg|: SD has it. it's myth that doesn't use it.
[23:04:29] xris: |Torg|: and that's all that asx is. it's an xml file with a URL inside of it.
[23:05:15] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, still present?
[23:05:18] |Torg|: I figured the asx as something as such, I dont use it tho. As for the SD data does it get imported into myth or does myth simply ignore it?
[23:05:33] xris: myth doesn't support the fields, so it ignores them
[23:05:50] xris: I'll be pushing to get them added for .22, but they won't make it into .21
[23:06:09] xris: I want to redesign the db to support extra info like that, but it's not a simple task to do properly
[23:06:26] |Torg|: it would be realtivly minor if I knew what the filed was, I could simply append it to the episode filed in the database
[23:06:55] mkrufky: still here, iamlindoro__
[23:07:01] mkrufky: leaving kinda soon, though
[23:07:46] iamlindoro__: K... meh, it may not be much point asking about this, but fyi, it does appear current mplayer will at least play the files. so that's good.
[23:07:59] iamlindoro__: Anyway, ffmpeg -acodec coyp -vcodec copy fails, though
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[23:08:23] |Torg|: iamlindoro can you get it to play it wel, or simply to put out someting. My video is all screwed up when I do.
[23:08:35] iamlindoro__: I know you're limited in how/whether you can help, but here's the ffmepg-devel thread: http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-de . . . /042833.html
[23:08:53] iamlindoro__: pardon my referring to you as my "little birdie," by the way, trying to (somewhat) protect the guilty
[23:09:01] iamlindoro__: ;)
[23:09:41] iamlindoro__: |Torg|, Can't confirm until I get home, but there's at least one confirmation in that thread that current mplayer is working, and I can get it to dump all of the frames to file from here, will confirm actual playback from home
[23:10:11] xris: |Torg|: you'd want them as separate fields.. but the rewrite I'm talking about is larger than just adding the episode num info.
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[23:10:33] |Torg|: iamlindoro if it helps any I can get the files to play, but with the afore mentioned errors. The resutant video is a biref picture that works follwed by very scrambed video
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[23:10:41] xris: there are also 2 fields.. episode num and alt episode num. no idea why there are two, but TMS has them.
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[23:11:18] |Torg|: xris: I dont suppose there is a easy xml to csv script
[23:11:32] ** GreyFoxx kicks the libav matroska demuxer **
[23:11:35] xris: no, because csv is flat and xml is deep
[23:11:46] |Torg|: that or a database schema, but for xml
[23:12:03] xris: |Torg|: not sure where you're going with that.
[23:12:14] xris: just look at the field specs for the SD/TMS xml data. it's on the SD forums now.
[23:13:18] |Torg|: essentaily what I want to know is what the field is defined as, see if any fit what I want, and ue it in some way. Either append it to eppiside in the databse, extend the program table, or create a sub table to refernce
[23:13:25] |Torg|: altho easiest would simply be to append it
[23:14:04] xris: look at the xml spec in the SD forums
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[23:14:28] |Torg|: im looking for it now
[23:15:46] squish103: |Torg| ltns, ive been waiting to ask you a question ;)
[23:16:00] squish103: |Torg|, don't you have a dlink dsm-320?
[23:16:22] |Torg|: yes, why?
[23:17:01] squish103: I am looking for mencoder, or trascode or something that will take an SD recording and reduce it but still make it useable on the dsm.. hoping u had done that
[23:17:39] |Torg|: no I put it up on a shelf as I no longer have any SD content to fead it too, eventually I will do somehting with it so the kids can watch it
[23:17:50] squish103: SD over 802.11g to the DSM doesn't work too well
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[23:18:41] squish103: so u have not tthought about taking HD and reducing a copy so u can watch it from the DSM
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[23:19:29] |Torg|: I have, its just that transooding them is a major project that I have not yet undertaken
[23:19:37] squish103: because after i had figured out how to do the SD, i was going to try the HD
[23:19:58] |Torg|: HD simply wil not play, it errors with size problems
[23:20:18] squish103: yes u have to get it to 720x480 before it will play
[23:20:44] |Torg|: even mpeg2mepg isnt viable as it takes too long
[23:20:55] squish103: but i have like a zillion mencoder scripts and none of them seem to work... i guess i'm back to google
[23:21:44] |Torg|: what are you trying to do, simply resize it?
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[23:22:21] squish103: all i want to do is get it smaller so that the dsm can play it (that is for the SD). for HD i have to get it smaller and resize it
[23:22:48] squish103: and i was trying to get it to avi/xvid with mp3 sound
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[23:23:13] |Torg|: the command to do it is fairly easy is the time to convert thats the issue
[23:23:58] squish103: i have yet to get a working copy that the dsm does not give me an error, or look absolutly terrible... time is not too much a factor for me
[23:24:05] |Torg|: xris: I belive I found it as syndicatedepisodenumber, it is mostly not populated
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[23:24:15] fryfrog: oh, did someone say what the name of the new hd pvr card that is coming out is?
[23:24:27] squish103: the machine does nothing, so it can trascode f24x7
[23:24:29] xris: |Torg|: that's it. there's also an "alt" episode num.
[23:24:34] xris: if the info isn't there, TMS doesn't have it.
[23:24:55] xris: that's one of the things we'd like to help populate if/when SD starts hosting our own data.
[23:25:55] |Torg|: xris: I used to hav a script that scrapped epguides. I was hopong to repalce that (as I have lost it in a disk crash). I am thinking that whiel TMS has the facility for the information it is not alwyas provided.
[23:26:18] |Torg|: they are maked as optional in teh schema doc
[23:27:34] xris: yeah
[23:27:41] xris: not all shows have episodes... sporrts, etc
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[23:28:25] |Torg|: yes xris but not even all episodes that are episodes have numbers either
[23:28:41] |Torg|: I cant seem to determine what is the factor that actually makes it occur
[23:28:57] xris: I think it's "tms has the data" vs "tms doesn't have the data"
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[23:29:41] Yggdrasil: hello, anyone know if theres a way to view albums in stead of artists on mythmusic?
[23:32:01] |Torg|: Yes xris, I note current run epidoes, last night Law & Order for example, that has no episode information. Oppoed to this is last nights Law & Order: CI marked as E7006, it is in fact Season 7. Episode 4 (according to epguides)
[23:33:25] xris: yeah, no clue, there
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[23:34:49] |Torg|: if I disect the programid, according to schema, it is EP000176170429, EP indicating it is an Episide, 00017617 the seriies id, and 0429 the episode. It is the first Law & Order at season 18, episode 10
[23:35:17] |Torg|: so do I conclude that TMS simply ues a differnt numbering scheme? if so how to it corelate, or do I simply remake the scraper script
[23:35:34] mkrufky: iamlindoro__: i am sorry — i saw what you said
[23:35:52] mkrufky: iamlindoro__: it always gets busy here when people know im getting ready to leave for the night
[23:36:05] mkrufky: iamlindoro__: i dont mind you calling me a 'little birdie' ;-)
[23:37:02] |Torg|: mkrufky: fryfrog wanted to knw, as do I, what the HD PVR wil be named for marketing, as in what do I look for to buy?
[23:37:12] mkrufky: afaik, HD PVR
[23:37:28] |Torg|: and if you want a beta tester :)
[23:37:32] mkrufky: heheh
[23:37:40] iamlindoro: mkrufky: All good, was on my way home anyway
[23:37:41] mkrufky: trust me — everybody wants to be a beta tester
[23:37:48] mkrufky: ok, cool
[23:37:51] |Torg|: I know, dosnt hurt to ask tho
[23:37:57] fryfrog: i think i found the blog / forum post you were talking about
[23:38:00] mkrufky: i'll be happy when i have one for myself :-P
[23:38:05] fryfrog: i was thinking pci/pci-e, but is it really usb?
[23:38:09] mkrufky: please dont tell me — i pointed it out, thats enough
[23:38:19] fryfrog: or did i read it wrong?
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[23:38:44] ** mkrufky wonders how many things usb can stand for, other than universal serial bus **
[23:38:59] levander: Is it more common to make use of the LED or wired emitters on the IguanaWorks transceivers?
[23:38:59] mkrufky: (please excuse the sarcasm)
[23:39:06] mkrufky: its usb :-)
[23:39:08] |Torg|: and I think everyone has the problem with being flooded with calls at the end of the day. I get contracts by EOB, nice huh esp when I need to respond to them by EOB. Gee and count that EOB to a Californian is not exact EOB to a New Yorker
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[23:42:20] mkrufky: ok, i am going to leave now
[23:42:33] |Torg|: take care
[23:42:38] mkrufky: see you guys later — and good work with the h264 decoiding investigation
[23:42:42] mkrufky: decoding
[23:42:46] mkrufky: :-) night
[23:42:47] iamlindoro: nice, thanks
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[23:43:10] iamlindoro: ah, right, I'm home, might as well see if it plays with today's mplayer
[23:44:35] |Torg|: Id like to knwo what you get to determine if mine was typlical or somehow differs
[23:44:48] iamlindoro: |Torg|: yup, plays perfect
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[23:45:05] iamlindoro: this is with today's SVN 26113
[23:45:09] |Torg|: your kidding, right?
[23:45:17] |Torg|: so update mplayer then
[23:45:38] Aval0n: my mplayer plays x264 stuff nicely
[23:45:43] Aval0n: with a p4 3.4ghz ht
[23:46:02] iamlindoro: Aval0n: We're talking about TSs from the Hauppauge HD PVR which are a little "different"
[23:46:07] |Torg|: mine shows up as blue with major pixelation
[23:46:09] iamlindoro: we're still determining how
[23:46:11] Aval0n: ahh ok my bad
[23:46:20] Aval0n: that's what I get for jumping in half way on a converstation
[23:46:22] |Torg|: ok I gota run, take care ppl
[23:46:26] Aval0n: peace torg
[23:46:29] fryfrog: you have some sample TS streams from this new HD PVR?
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[23:46:50] iamlindoro: fryfrog: yup, mkrufky posted them this AM
[23:47:13] iamlindoro: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4JN6XWCD
[23:47:13] iamlindoro: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZS7QF541
[23:47:19] fryfrog: ah
[23:47:20] levander: What's an STB?
[23:47:24] iamlindoro: Set Top Box
[23:47:29] fryfrog: Sexual Transmitted...
[23:47:32] fryfrog: damnit, to slow :(
[23:47:42] Aval0n: lol
[23:47:49] iamlindoro: That said, audio sync is a little screwed... but video is purtiful
[23:49:28] iamlindoro: FYI I was not able to play this in any viewable fashion with Ubuntu packaged mplayer, but today's SVN allows you to watch it even though audio sync is off
[23:52:08] iamlindoro: The ffmpeg thread about supporting the streams properly and not in the semi-broken curent fashion has already degenerated into bitching and fighting, and it only started this morning :)
[23:56:38] mikeones_: does mythmusic stream audio in mythweb via a the web browser? or is it only via vlc or someting?
[23:56:53] xris: huh?
[23:57:14] xris: mythweb just serves the file as if it was any other file
[23:59:03] mikeones_: wasn't sure if it streamd the files to a player like mythweb streams recording to a flash player
[23:59:27] mikeones_: or am I missinfg something?
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