| Monday, February 25th, 2008, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:24] | leprasmurf: | hello all. can someone please look at this pastebin and see if anyone knows the problem: http://pastebin.ca/916868 |
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| [00:02:09] | hadees: | i just updated my hostname and now all my settings aren't being found in the database, where can i update that in the database? |
| [00:03:50] | leprasmurf: | hadess: you could probably go into the database itself and update those settings....I don't know of a place to do it from the setup |
| [00:04:04] | BobSlob: | Anyone know if a "hardware database" exists anywhere? there's two things i need to know works |
| [00:04:28] | ben_: | a hardware database? |
| [00:04:37] | ben_: | what a brilliant concept |
| [00:04:40] | leprasmurf: | BobSlob: pretty sure the mythtv setup doc contains information on known good hardware |
| [00:04:57] | BobSlob: | leprasmurf: gracias =D |
| [00:05:01] | leprasmurf: | np |
| [00:05:17] | iamlindoro: | or you could ask about them, and then we could complain that if any of them were tuner cards, that you didn't check linuxtv.org first |
| [00:05:42] | BobSlob: | well... the ati hd3650 and the lg bluray/hddvd drive |
| [00:06:00] | iamlindoro: | ati blows in linux, fat chance of that working well in myth, so there's part one |
| [00:06:01] | directhex: | leprasmurf, what does typing "eject" in a terminal do? |
| [00:06:08] | leprasmurf: | BobSlob: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 |
| [00:06:14] | directhex: | BobSlob, no 3xxx support in linux, full stop |
| [00:06:20] | leprasmurf: | directhex: it'll eject the drive |
| [00:06:35] | BobSlob: | directhex: damn... cause it seems like a perfect card for what i'm doing |
| [00:06:35] | iamlindoro: | you can make the lg drive work fine in linux, but won't be able to watch BR/HD from them, best you will be able to do is rip the movies, and that will require you to patch and compile mplayer to watch them |
| [00:06:51] | directhex: | leprasmurf, you know that for sure? since you're getting an i/o error when mythburn does it? |
| [00:06:59] | directhex: | BobSlob, perfect how? |
| [00:07:18] | BobSlob: | directhex: hd/bluray support... 5.1 via hdmi on the card itself |
| [00:07:18] | iamlindoro: | sequencing the human genome on the GPU |
| [00:07:37] | directhex: | BobSlob, 1) ati don't have any 3xxx drivers in linux. 2) ati don't have any gpu-accelerated decoding of hd formats in ANY card in linux |
| [00:07:55] | directhex: | iamlindoro, critics agree, cuda > ctm |
| [00:08:01] | BobSlob: | directhex: doesnt really matter if the drive wont work either =P |
| [00:08:09] | BobSlob: | looks like MCE2005 if I wanna do that =P |
| [00:08:13] | iamlindoro: | 3) even when you can get a card with some GPU accel, it will only be MPEG-2 |
| [00:08:16] | leprasmurf: | directhex: 80% positive, when the io error occured, it had ejected then retracted the drive. it then started autoplaying in the background, and I typed 'eject cdrom' as it's a headless system, the dvd ejected properly |
| [00:08:40] | directhex: | BobSlob, the drive works for data. there's no way to watch the videos without ripping currently, unless you use an authorized player like powerdvd |
| [00:09:02] | directhex: | iamlindoro, you could get "mpeg 4" acceleration with via ;) |
| [00:09:11] | BobSlob: | directhex: meh... if i wanna rip them... might aswell download it and avoid buying it =P |
| [00:09:16] | iamlindoro: | suggest you search the wiki for "blu-ray." Some guy wrote a howto on how to rip/play |
| [00:09:30] | iamlindoro: | directhex: yeah, mpeg-4 wink wink nudge nudge |
| [00:09:58] | directhex: | iamlindoro, hell, they even talk about playing "hd mpeg4" on their site. erm, who's playing with hd mpeg4part2? |
| [00:10:09] | iamlindoro: | the *scene*, man! |
| [00:10:20] | iamlindoro: | 540p is totally a legit HD option *coughcough* |
| [00:12:14] | jamesd: | iamlindoro, sure if you have a 4" lcd screen ;-p |
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| [00:31:32] | iamlindoro: | anyone running 16200ish or later of trunk? I appear to have lost seeking in internal player on .VOBs ripped with mythDVD, would like to confirm. |
| [00:33:18] | iamlindoro: | skip ahead/back appears to always show the total amount, ie 51:27 of 51.27, and attempting to seek in either direction has no effect aside from displaying the OSD |
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| [00:49:35] | blackest: | done it mythfrontend (0.21) running on a eee pc :) |
| [00:50:36] | blackest: | its looking good smooth and responsive (since i upped the fsb) |
| [00:52:23] | TelnetManta: | kewl, i have an eeepc |
| [00:52:31] | TelnetManta: | hadnt thought about myth on it |
| [00:52:56] | blackest: | it looks good |
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| [00:53:35] | blackest: | it was a bit jerky on 730 mhz but i upped the fsb speed and at 900 its fine |
| [00:55:01] | TelnetManta: | ive been meaning to overclock mine but havent done ityet |
| [00:55:15] | TelnetManta: | just got ubuntu on mine on Friday. |
| [00:55:46] | blackest: | http://www.sampletheweb.com/2007/12/30/overcl . . . b-on-ubuntu/ |
| [00:55:51] | blackest: | that works |
| [00:56:17] | blackest: | i tried various others and they didnt seem to work that did thou |
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| [01:04:18] | DustyBin: | http://www.soundexpert.info |
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| [01:19:43] | mchou: | what I'd like to know is when ivtv turned into a steaming pile of you know what |
| [01:20:41] | mchou: | it got accepted into the kernel tree and functionality turned to crap?? |
| [01:21:12] | mchou: | that's not how the process is supposed to work...... |
| [01:23:07] | directhex: | DustyBin, seems to consistently put nero and winamp aac encoders ahead of apple |
| [01:24:21] | mchou: | and then there's this crappy mobo |
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| [01:29:32] | Frosty: | I'm experiencing irritating a/v desynchronisation unless I enable framedropping in mplayer when playing x264 encoded hd rips ... on a q6600 its maxing a cpu :s |
| [01:30:04] | iamlindoro_: | -lavdopts threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all |
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| [01:32:16] | Frosty: | Is that for me? ... I'm a noob, I'm guessing mplayer switches .. gonna google their meanings :) thanks! |
| [01:32:54] | iamlindoro_: | yup, that's for you... I don't discourage reading about them, but you can also just try it. Should work fine. If it's still skipping after all that then you have issues not related to processor speed. |
| [01:33:13] | ** GreyFoxx smacks the internal player around to try and fix mkv seeking ** | |
| [01:33:51] | iamlindoro_: | for reference, my default mplayer line for my Q6600 is: mplayer -cache 16384 -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv -monitoraspect 16:9 -lavdopts threa |
| [01:33:51] | iamlindoro_: | ds=4:fast:skiploopfilter=all -sws 0 %s |
| [01:34:07] | iamlindoro_: | whoops, sorry about the line break... am able to pay all my HD-DVD and blu-ray rips perfectly on it |
| [01:34:10] | iamlindoro_: | er play |
| [01:34:28] | Frosty: | omg dude you are best :) big grin on my face now, thankyou! going to try |
| [01:34:46] | iamlindoro_: | good luck, report back if it works |
| [01:36:47] | directhex: | was about to say, threads=4 for a quadcore |
| [01:37:33] | iamlindoro: | directhex: Well, two ought to do it, threads=4 has actually proven to be a bit overkill |
| [01:37:55] | iamlindoro: | but no harm in it, certainly |
| [01:38:22] | directhex: | i wonder what the impact on image quality is with threads=4 versus threads=2 |
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| [01:39:16] | directhex: | and before you say it, results for parallel computation on >2 processes is non-deterministic, so there IS a theoretical difference. one that changes with each execution. wheeeee! |
| [01:39:41] | iamlindoro: | I was actually gonna say that Jon Stewart is a good Oscar host, but that's good too ;) |
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| [01:44:59] | Frosty: | iamlindoro, its working wonderfully now, much gratitude :) |
| [01:45:10] | iamlindoro: | no prob, glad to hear it |
| [01:45:40] | Frosty: | the monitoraspect option also fixed the question from the misses "Why did we pay so much for the TV when most the screen is black?" :) |
| [01:46:38] | iamlindoro: | Answer from the single being, "Becase I say we do, woman." |
| [01:46:41] | iamlindoro: | er Because |
| [01:47:25] | Frosty: | If only it were that easy :) |
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| [01:50:47] | Frosty: | I also have some movies play quietly, and others, if I dont turn the volume down quick enough my ears would bleed |
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| [02:03:20] | mchou: | Frosty: tell her it's to provide "ambiance" |
| [02:03:51] | mchou: | Frosty: that's the black screen part |
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| [02:14:36] | Frosty: | Is it possible to tell MythTV to "Record one showing of this title each week only on this channel" |
| [02:19:12] | hads: | Frosty: You could use a power search |
| [02:19:41] | hads: | erm, "Custom Record" |
| [02:19:57] | Frosty: | power search is sql syntax? |
| [02:20:33] | hads: | Yeah, but there's a funky editor thing with examples if you aren't comfortable with SQL. |
| [02:21:17] | Frosty: | comfortable with sql, but trying to find a list of fields |
| [02:22:20] | mzb: | Frosty: try mythweb |
| [02:22:20] | dm-madman: | connect to the database and get lists of tables/fields then |
| [02:22:49] | hads: | Frosty: In the frontend it's under "Manage Recordings" > "Schedule Recordings" > |
| [02:23:03] | hads: | "Custom Record" |
| [02:23:42] | mzb: | mythweb has those options ... makes it dead easy |
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| [02:25:02] | Frosty: | ok I found the "funky editor" in the menus |
| [02:25:11] | Frosty: | mythweb doesn' t have that, or I can't find it |
| [02:25:18] | Frosty: | the editor that is :) |
| [02:25:37] | Frosty: | thanks for helping me :) on my way to understanding now :) |
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| [02:43:44] | HTPC-DVBS: | whatz iptv? |
| [02:44:17] | mchou: | tv over ip |
| [02:44:24] | cesman: | what he said |
| [02:44:38] | mchou: | as opposed to cable or satellite |
| [02:44:43] | HTPC-DVBS: | is there any free ones |
| [02:44:49] | mchou: | lol |
| [02:44:54] | mchou: | youtube? :) |
| [02:45:22] | mchou: | HTPC-DVBS: forget about "free" |
| [02:45:39] | mchou: | you need a fat pipe to your house first |
| [02:45:40] | cesman: | dailymotion, miro, google, yahoo |
| [02:46:08] | HTPC-DVBS: | how much is iptv usally |
| [02:46:15] | cesman: | that is, if you are counting youtube as iptv ;) |
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| [02:46:20] | fryfrog: | same as cable/sat |
| [02:46:21] | HTPC-DVBS: | ones that have music |
| [02:46:25] | mchou: | only then should we talk about quality programming |
| [02:46:34] | fryfrog: | and you have to get it basically from a phone company |
| [02:46:39] | fryfrog: | at&t, verizon |
| [02:46:41] | fryfrog: | right? |
| [02:47:04] | mchou: | yeah, theat's how phone copanies are trying to stay "relevant" |
| [02:47:11] | mchou: | that's* |
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| [02:47:33] | mchou: | cause who needs a land line any more? :) |
| [02:47:50] | HTPC-DVBS: | i was curious about iptv |
| [02:47:55] | HTPC-DVBS: | since i have a t3 |
| [02:48:22] | mchou: | well well, then you already have the fat pipe |
| [02:48:31] | HTPC-DVBS: | well ya |
| [02:48:32] | mchou: | but it isnt the right pipe :) |
| [02:48:46] | HTPC-DVBS: | go firgure |
| [02:49:07] | mchou: | iptv generally offered by phone companies over fios |
| [02:49:29] | HTPC-DVBS: | there none like over the net |
| [02:49:33] | HTPC-DVBS: | offer music |
| [02:49:52] | mchou: | you've never heard of RIAA? :) |
| [02:50:05] | HTPC-DVBS: | nope |
| [02:50:08] | mchou: | lol |
| [02:50:11] | HTPC-DVBS: | riaa? |
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| [02:50:18] | mchou: | some ppl live a sheltered life |
| [02:50:37] | HTPC-DVBS: | well not really mchou |
| [02:50:44] | mchou: | google "RIAA" and I'm sure you will see some choice words |
| [02:50:59] | Frosty: | f**k the .. :) |
| [02:51:11] | HTPC-DVBS: | lol |
| [02:51:28] | mchou: | Frosty: that's not quite what I was referring to |
| [02:51:52] | Frosty: | They're the reason I can't play bluray direct, I have to rip first or boot to xp |
| [02:51:54] | HTPC-DVBS: | recording industy association of america |
| [02:51:56] | HTPC-DVBS: | lol |
| [02:52:15] | mchou: | Frosty: RIAA has nothing to do with blu-ray |
| [02:52:29] | mchou: | you are confusing MPAA with RIAA |
| [02:52:30] | HTPC-DVBS: | i should of knew that |
| [02:52:32] | HTPC-DVBS: | riaa |
| [02:52:41] | HTPC-DVBS: | since i am register with them |
| [02:52:46] | mchou: | lol |
| [02:52:53] | Frosty: | oh ofc :/ |
| [02:52:55] | Frosty: | my bad |
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| [02:58:06] | mchou: | these NiCd batteries are nasty |
| [02:58:31] | ppz: | hey hey, can i use Myth to record multicast streams ? |
| [02:59:23] | Frosty: | right 3am, must stop messing with mythtv :o nn, thanks for the help |
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| [03:27:14] | robbins61: | Anyone familiar with making themes for myth? |
| [03:27:39] | robbins61: | if you check out the oscars, there's a very cool thing they're doing for like a movie showcase thing |
| [03:27:49] | robbins61: | i think it would be awesome for mythvideo to kind of mimic it |
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| [03:33:01] | robbins61: | i have no idea how to design them, however |
| [03:33:09] | robbins61: | could someone point me in the direction of a wiki or something? |
| [03:34:12] | hads: | Wiki? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| [03:36:53] | robbins61: | damn, looks involved...wish i had more time |
| [03:38:53] | sphing: | robbins61, got a link for the oscars thing you're talking about? |
| [03:39:15] | robbins61: | sphing, i'll see if i can't find it, i'm sure i won't be able to |
| [03:39:30] | robbins61: | i'll just draw up something similar |
| [03:40:32] | sphing: | not that I'm going to do the theme, I'm just curious |
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| [03:45:48] | robbins61: | just a minute |
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| [03:54:56] | robbins61: | i can't do it |
| [03:54:58] | robbins61: | it was sweet though |
| [03:55:01] | robbins61: | that's the important part |
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| [03:58:21] | stowaway-atwork: | hello |
| [03:58:31] | stowaway-atwork: | im still trying to install mythtv from source.. |
| [03:58:50] | stowaway-atwork: | is there any text on how im suppose to setup mysql server? |
| [03:58:57] | stowaway-atwork: | ie do i need to create the db first or something? |
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| [04:02:34] | armbar: | hello |
| [04:04:05] | armbar: | I am setting up a dedicated frontend and would like to know if I need my moves directory avalible on the frontend or does mythtv grab them from the backend? |
| [04:04:49] | hads: | For mythvideo? If so yes, it does need to be available to all frontends. |
| [04:05:00] | hads: | For mythtv proper, no. |
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| [04:06:39] | armbar: | yea, mythvideo. If the video directory on the backend is /home/mythtv/.video/movies, does it need to be mounted with the same path on the frontend? |
| [04:06:53] | hads: | Yes |
| [04:06:56] | armbar: | thanks |
| [04:06:59] | hads: | np |
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| [05:39:58] | sshirley: | hi all |
| [05:40:14] | cesman: | hello sshirley |
| [05:41:16] | sshirley: | I have a PVR-500. Is there any way of telling MythTV to record one show on one input and another on another input. Or more specifically to control which input is watching tv and which is recording another show? |
| [05:42:09] | cesman: | The first tuner defined in the DB is the first tuner that is used for something |
| [05:42:20] | sshirley: | I have a possible conflict with two shows right now. One show is coming on right after the other. Can I tell one input to catch one show and another input the other show? |
| [05:42:31] | cesman: | when 0.21 is released, you will be able to specify which tuner to user to record what.... |
| [05:42:48] | cesman: | you could also do what you want w/ priority settings... |
| [05:43:14] | cesman: | you have two tuners, how is that a conflict? |
| [05:43:20] | sshirley: | So as of right now, the system will switch tuners depending on what is to be watched/recorded? |
| [05:43:30] | sshirley: | Conflict in terms of time. |
| [05:43:33] | sshirley: | time slots |
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| [05:43:39] | tjcarter: | sshirley: the best way to deal with PVR-500 is to not use the tuners at all ;) |
| [05:44:05] | tjcarter: | sshirley: I find switching inputs in live TV to be messy and not work particularly well |
| [05:44:06] | sshirley: | I am looking at the scheduled recording and all are using input 1 |
| [05:44:21] | tjcarter: | But then, I'm running svn |
| [05:44:24] | sshirley: | tuners is maybe the wrong word :-) |
| [05:45:10] | sshirley: | when is 0.21 supposed to be released? |
| [05:46:02] | tjcarter: | two weeks after the last person asks |
| [05:47:22] | sshirley: | lol |
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| [06:41:47] | armbar: | cesman: will mythtv do a round robin if multiple tuners are avalibe or a top down or longest idel, etc. |
| [06:50:06] | mzb_d800: | depends on recording or watching |
| [06:50:19] | mzb_d800: | for watching it starts at the lowest available number |
| [06:50:37] | mzb_d800: | for recording it starts at the highest available priority |
| [06:50:44] | mzb_d800: | (afaict) |
| [06:51:22] | armbar: | with .20 or svn trunk? |
| [06:52:13] | mzb_d800: | err ... not sure ... I'm running a stale version of svn multirec |
| [06:53:00] | armbar: | i see |
| [06:54:05] | mzb_d800: | can anyone think of a *nice* way to find the remote codes for a box I don't have a remote for? |
| [06:54:34] | mzb_d800: | I scripted a method of checking all the remote defs in lirc src to no avail |
| [06:54:54] | mzb_d800: | I've downloaded all the remote defs off lirc, but yet to try them |
| [06:55:13] | Dagmar: | Googling. |
| [06:55:25] | mzb_d800: | yep ... tried that ... thanks |
| [06:55:33] | Dagmar: | mzb_d800: Then you might as well throw the thing out |
| [06:55:36] | mzb_d800: | any other helpful suggestions? |
| [06:55:46] | mzb_d800: | nope ;) |
| [06:55:57] | Dagmar: | Buying one that is programmable, like all those dirt cheap One4All remotes. |
| [06:56:13] | Dagmar: | You could always read the LIRC docs and actually learn how LIRC and IR parsing works. |
| [06:56:19] | mzb_d800: | don't bother |
| [06:56:32] | mzb_d800: | you're making too many assumptions |
| [06:56:52] | Dagmar: | Oh am I? |
| [06:57:06] | mzb_d800: | I think so. |
| [06:57:31] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I guess it's a mistake to assume people are willing to solve their own problems. |
| [06:57:36] | mzb_d800: | ;P |
| [06:58:19] | Dagmar: | Most people would consider it a no-brainer to sample a few prominent buttons on the remote and then see which remote config they match, if any. |
| [06:58:51] | Dagmar: | ...or they'd just not care and build a new config the remote from scratch. |
| [06:58:59] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* |
| [06:59:01] | Dagmar: | s/the remote/for the remote/; |
| [06:59:09] | mzb_d800: | can anyone think of a *nice* way to find the remote codes for a box I don't have a remote for? |
| [06:59:12] | mzb_d800: | ^^^ |
| [06:59:18] | mzb_d800: | read the end of that sentence |
| [06:59:33] | Dagmar: | Google. |
| [06:59:39] | mzb_d800: | feck me |
| [06:59:46] | Dagmar: | Someone fucking sold you the device, right? |
| [06:59:51] | mzb_d800: | no |
| [06:59:55] | mzb_d800: | thanks for asking |
| [06:59:59] | Dagmar: | It's not something made by some mad loon in the mittle of the Utah desert, RIGHT? |
| [07:00:10] | Dagmar: | So it's got a fuckin' brand name on it, RIGHT? |
| [07:00:22] | mzb_d800: | I've been given two "dead" boxes ... got the first one working nicely. |
| [07:00:40] | mzb_d800: | (inc. remote functions from IR transmitter) |
| [07:00:55] | Dagmar: | ...and someone, somewhere online, is probably selling MORE of the damn things, which might actually have a part number for the remote, or the manufacturer might have a part number for the remote listed on their site. |
| [07:00:56] | mzb_d800: | 2nd one is good, but having problems finding *any* way to control by IR |
| [07:01:02] | Dagmar: | Or One4All might have the device listed on their site. |
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| [07:01:21] | mzb_d800: | (I could always go to owner and learn from their remote ... but that would be difficult;) |
| [07:01:27] | mzb_d800: | ok, thanks |
| [07:01:44] | Dagmar: | God forbid anyone actually ever be creative in their Google searches. |
| [07:02:29] | mzb_d800: | dare you to find anything about the box mentioned ^^ |
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| [07:10:37] | mzb_d800: | that seems like a wild goose chase |
| [07:11:03] | mzb_d800: | I've also tried using a universal remote (aka: ipaq 2200) |
| [07:11:28] | mzb_d800: | looks like time to script |
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| [07:54:41] | dserban: | 'allo, commandir, anyone using it with debian? I'm reading about installing its driver and it seems that they've done whatever for ubuntu, but nothing for debian. Should I follow the instructions for compiling from source, or use the debs provided for ubuntu. Anyone have a clue? |
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| [08:02:27] | Dagmar: | Questions that make sense are easier to answer. |
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| [08:49:15] | justinh: | wow. I'm impressed _that_ thread still hasn't descended into a flamey thing. Must be the 1st time I've ever seen a negative comment spark a less than angry response :) |
| [08:52:48] | justinh: | maybe cos it wasn't sent to the -dev list :P |
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| [09:33:58] | tjcarter: | justinh: criticism without flamewar?? |
| [09:34:31] | tjcarter: | justinh: what's the topic? |
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| [09:38:19] | joobie: | hey guys |
| [09:38:52] | joobie: | got a prob with my myth |
| [09:39:01] | joobie: | on fast moving screens, it doesnt look that smooth |
| [09:39:08] | joobie: | any tipsto fix this? |
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| [09:40:31] | cesman: | I guess by screens, you mean scenes |
| [09:42:27] | joobie: | ya |
| [09:42:29] | joobie: | :) |
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| [09:43:38] | cesman: | is deinterlacing enabled? |
| [09:43:47] | cesman: | it would help if you provided _more_ data |
| [09:43:55] | cesman: | capture card for instance |
| [09:44:12] | joobie: | thanks cesman .. im not sure hey.. where is this option? |
| [09:44:43] | cesman: | I believe it is under Playback in the Settings |
| [09:44:45] | joobie: | my card is a DVB-T Terratec Cinergy DT USB XS Diversity |
| [09:44:53] | joobie: | in frontend? |
| [09:45:19] | cesman: | yes |
| [09:45:55] | joobie: | sec cesman .. my wife is watching tv |
| [09:46:05] | joobie: | if i do it now, no soup for me:P |
| [09:46:13] | joobie: | ok |
| [09:46:14] | joobie: | checking now |
| [09:46:53] | joobie: | cesman, it's not selected |
| [09:47:05] | tjcarter: | cesman: actually, I am having what looks like interlacing with same disabled on my LCD.. |
| [09:47:22] | joobie: | .. shoudl i enable it? |
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| [09:47:42] | tjcarter: | the OSD and lots of certain colors cause it =/ |
| [09:48:05] | Dibblah: | justinh: I really don't see the difference between the Internal / mplayer CPU consumption here. |
| [09:48:15] | ** tjcarter is wondering if there's something odd in NV driver ** | |
| [09:48:43] | Dibblah: | However, I get the feeling that's related to the no seektable bug. |
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| [09:56:07] | tjcarter: | I looked for the deinterlacing option in svn, but I think it's moved |
| [09:57:01] | joobie: | hmm |
| [09:57:07] | joobie: | the picture quality just doesnt look as good |
| [09:57:11] | joobie: | as natively plugging in the antenna |
| [09:57:22] | joobie: | it's like.. note as crisp |
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| [10:03:59] | tjcarter: | ah, figured out why I couldn't find it |
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| [10:07:59] | tjcarter: | okay that's weird |
| [10:08:10] | tjcarter: | I did two things that seem to have totally fixed the flicker |
| [10:08:52] | tjcarter: | 1. I switched from Eco to alpha blend in the guide, now there is no flicker there |
| [10:09:47] | tjcarter: | 2. I switched from CPU+ to CPU++ (which gave me only two video rendering things to worry about) and I set them both to softblend the OSD and use GreedyHighMotion with Linear fallback |
| [10:09:57] | tjcarter: | The flicker is now gone |
| [10:10:36] | tjcarter: | This leads me to conclude the NV driver is doing SOMETHING odd with whatever settings I had before. |
| [10:13:38] | joobie: | tjcarter, |
| [10:13:43] | joobie: | there's room for only one problem in here at a time |
| [10:13:47] | joobie: | ;P |
| [10:14:02] | joobie: | and u are stealing my thunder!! |
| [10:14:03] | joobie: | :P |
| [10:14:18] | sid3windr: | whenever there's lightning... there's THUNDER |
| [10:14:35] | joobie: | eheh |
| [10:21:56] | DGnome: | Hmm, anybody have any mysql tuning tips here, related to mythtv? |
| [10:22:23] | joobie: | na soryr bro |
| [10:22:28] | DGnome: | Noticed the program guide got really slow after adding channels and running multirec |
| [10:22:33] | joobie: | hey any idea why my master volume control (f10-f11) doesnt work? |
| [10:22:40] | DGnome: | nay |
| [10:22:41] | joobie: | i mean it goes up and down.. but it doesnt affect the volume |
| [10:22:45] | DGnome: | oh |
| [10:22:54] | DGnome: | you are affecting the wrong mixer element |
| [10:22:57] | DGnome: | propably |
| [10:23:19] | DGnome: | try runnign alsamixer in a terminal, see wich of the mixer elements affect audio |
| [10:23:43] | DGnome: | my typing is worse than a rake today |
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| [10:25:31] | joobie: | PCM does |
| [10:25:36] | joobie: | according to the alsamixer |
| [10:25:41] | joobie: | but how do i make the volume tie into that? |
| [10:28:38] | joobie: | btw PCM is max in alsamixer |
| [10:28:46] | joobie: | the volume is so low tho |
| [10:28:54] | joobie: | like i have my TV on max.. and it's normal volume |
| [10:29:02] | joobie: | but i shouldnt have to have it on max to get normal? |
| [10:29:54] | DGnome: | go into the frontend setup and find audio under general settings |
| [10:30:08] | directhex|work: | i had low volume issues when myth was using oss instead of alsa |
| [10:30:55] | DGnome: | joobie: try fiddling around with the mixer settings until you find the control that controls what you can hear when mythtv plays something :) |
| [10:31:18] | DGnome: | usually it may be a combo of two controls |
| [10:31:21] | DGnome: | master and pcm |
| [10:31:27] | DGnome: | or front and pcm |
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| [10:31:33] | DGnome: | or not pcm at all |
| [10:32:02] | DGnome: | I don't like audio, unless it is only decoded and passed on to a receiver :) |
| [10:32:11] | joobie: | wow that volume fixed it |
| [10:32:13] | joobie: | in general |
| [10:32:13] | DGnome: | or even only passed on to a receiver |
| [10:32:25] | directhex|work: | i was about to say, you usin' an av receiver? |
| [10:32:27] | joobie: | but still the f10-f11 volume does not affect it |
| [10:32:31] | joobie: | like the volume is loud now |
| [10:32:43] | joobie: | btu i cant control it via f10-f11.. only via that general option |
| [10:32:45] | DGnome: | joobie: frontend setup > general > audio |
| [10:33:07] | joobie: | im in there |
| [10:33:07] | DGnome: | select which control mythtv will use |
| [10:33:18] | DGnome: | you have to sepcify that too |
| [10:33:20] | joobie: | it's set to 'use internal volume control' |
| [10:33:31] | joobie: | and mixer control is ppcm |
| [10:33:47] | joobie: | ill try master |
| [10:33:54] | DGnome: | good |
| [10:34:04] | joobie: | bingo |
| [10:34:05] | joobie: | :P |
| [10:34:09] | DGnome: | now you good to go |
| [10:34:10] | joobie: | works great |
| [10:34:14] | joobie: | thanks |
| [10:34:20] | DGnome: | what did we learn from this? |
| [10:34:28] | joobie: | should i have the mythtv on max and my tv on whatever? |
| [10:34:33] | joobie: | or have myth on low and tv higher?? |
| [10:34:36] | DGnome: | fiddle around, worst that can happen is you actually learn something :) |
| [10:34:36] | joobie: | what is best for audio quality |
| [10:34:42] | joobie: | DGnome, ehhe |
| [10:34:56] | joobie: | DGnome, ive learnt a heap in the span of the last 48hrs when i got a display on my myth |
| [10:34:59] | DGnome: | joobie: best for audio quality? bou better gear :) |
| [10:35:09] | DGnome: | buy.. |
| [10:35:24] | joobie: | ehhe |
| [10:35:25] | DGnome: | yeah, have mythtv on 75% and tv on whatever |
| [10:35:31] | joobie: | ahh k |
| [10:35:35] | DGnome: | that will give best analogue experience |
| [10:36:15] | joobie: | cool |
| [10:36:18] | joobie: | ok DGnome |
| [10:36:22] | joobie: | can u help me with this video issue |
| [10:36:28] | joobie: | then ill be set:P |
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| [10:36:42] | joobie: | basically if i plug my antenna direct to the TV.. it comes up sweet as |
| [10:36:52] | DGnome: | mkay |
| [10:36:54] | joobie: | when i go through myth.. it no longer jerks when there's a fast moving screen |
| [10:36:59] | joobie: | it was some interlacing issue |
| [10:37:01] | joobie: | that's fixed |
| [10:37:07] | joobie: | but the picture is not 100% crisp |
| [10:37:23] | DGnome: | deinterlace with GreedyH 2x ok? |
| [10:37:32] | joobie: | it's nice.. just i can tell it's not 'as nice' as it would be if i hooked it up direct to the tele |
| [10:37:32] | DGnome: | soo |
| [10:37:35] | joobie: | no |
| [10:37:35] | DGnome: | digital tv? |
| [10:37:36] | joobie: | i used |
| [10:37:37] | joobie: | sec.. |
| [10:37:41] | joobie: | ya digital |
| [10:37:59] | DGnome: | how do you connect your display to your myth-box? |
| [10:38:04] | DGnome: | and what kind of display is it? |
| [10:38:22] | joobie: | i ok i have 'Deinterlaced playback' set with 'Kernel (less motion blur)' |
| [10:38:32] | DGnome: | GreedyH 2x is best |
| [10:38:37] | joobie: | ok ill try that |
| [10:38:41] | DGnome: | gives you correct framrerate |
| [10:38:42] | joobie: | btw i have DVI out on my mediacenter |
| [10:38:48] | joobie: | and it uses a VGA convertor |
| [10:38:56] | joobie: | so it goes DVI out.. to VGA in on my digital TV |
| [10:38:56] | DGnome: | eh? |
| [10:38:59] | joobie: | TV is 720p |
| [10:39:04] | DGnome: | errm |
| [10:39:22] | DGnome: | can't you connect a dvi or hdmi-cable directly to yur display? |
| [10:39:34] | DGnome: | s/yur/your/ |
| [10:39:51] | joobie: | well, problem is my TV has no dvi.. it has VGA.. and it has HDMI.. but problem with HDMI is i need to have HDMI audio + video on the one cable |
| [10:40:03] | joobie: | i tried to connect just the video and play an audio through the other RCA.. btu it doesnt like that |
| [10:40:04] | DGnome: | no you dont |
| [10:40:10] | joobie: | it needs both video + audio on the one line |
| [10:40:18] | DGnome: | is there no option for that? |
| [10:40:23] | DGnome: | in the tv-set? |
| [10:40:28] | joobie: | hmm |
| [10:40:29] | DGnome: | most tv:s have that |
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| [10:40:43] | joobie: | im not sure.. like i tried switchign to hdmi.. and i plugged the RCA audio into all the ports |
| [10:40:45] | joobie: | but nothing got sound |
| [10:40:48] | joobie: | ill check the setup |
| [10:40:52] | joobie: | is there a common setting |
| [10:40:56] | joobie: | like a wording they use normally? |
| [10:41:06] | DGnome: | HDMI audio :) |
| [10:41:17] | DGnome: | analog/digital |
| [10:41:24] | DGnome: | analog == rca connector |
| [10:41:56] | justinh: | Dibblah: good to hear that. maybe the disparity is less now myth is using a newer sync of ffmpeg |
| [10:42:07] | DGnome: | but who knows, I just found a STB that has HDMI connectors and it wont output dolby digital over HDMI :D |
| [10:42:32] | directhex|work: | hands up if you know how to do negation in an if statement in tcl |
| [10:43:33] | joobie: | DGnome, na bro.. just went through all the settings |
| [10:43:39] | joobie: | cant find anything to fix hdmi + audio |
| [10:44:58] | joobie: | directhex|work, you can use != |
| [10:45:10] | justinh: | pfft. who can take a language seriously when people call it 'tickle' :P |
| [10:45:15] | joobie: | or.. put ! in front to negate the if |
| [10:45:24] | directhex|work: | justinh, who said i took it seriously? |
| [10:45:39] | justinh: | take seriously/use |
| [10:45:58] | joobie: | DGnome, still about? |
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| [10:47:18] | justinh: | then again, folks here still refer to 'my sequel'. ignorant fucks |
| [10:47:32] | joobie: | DGnome, where do i set GreddyH 2x ? |
| [10:47:35] | directhex|work: | justinh, yeah, fuckers. it's "mysquirrel" |
| [10:48:31] | directhex|work: | anyway, if an app demands scripting be done in tcl, then it shall be done in tcl |
| [10:48:49] | directhex|work: | the solution to my problem is tcl is newline-sensitive over where you put your twiddly brackets |
| [10:49:11] | justinh: | joobie: the incomprehensible 'playback profiles' settings |
| [10:49:38] | ben_: | joobie: is the HDMI fully supported by the OS? |
| [10:50:05] | ben_: | at least the alsa version distributed with gutsy doesn't support mine |
| [10:50:13] | ben_: | latest release of alsa does tho |
| [10:50:45] | joobie: | not sure what you mean ben_ |
| [10:50:47] | joobie: | i dont use hdm |
| [10:50:48] | joobie: | i |
| [10:50:50] | joobie: | i used VGA |
| [10:51:04] | joobie: | justinh, cheers mate |
| [10:52:09] | joobie: | justinh, I don't have playback profiles.. only playback gorups? i sthat what you mean.. ? i have recording profiles btw |
| [10:52:42] | DGnome: | joobie: the deinterlacing is in the playback settings |
| [10:53:56] | DGnome: | ben_: HDMI works just as DVI works |
| [10:54:04] | justinh: | greedy 2x isn't available in 0.20.x |
| [10:54:19] | DGnome: | ben_: HDMI has the option for audio passthrough but not in linux |
| [10:54:41] | DGnome: | ben_: and mos computer hardware does not support audio over HDMI |
| [10:54:50] | ben_: | thats not quite true :) |
| [10:54:56] | DGnome: | s/mos/most/ |
| [10:55:32] | joobie: | ya |
| [10:55:35] | joobie: | i saw a convertor |
| [10:55:44] | joobie: | it combined the audio and video hdmi on the one hdmi |
| [10:55:47] | DGnome: | oyu should be happy if alsa supports audio passthrough with whatever hardware you have |
| [10:55:48] | joobie: | but it was like 300$ |
| [10:55:54] | joobie: | so i sorta flamed that idea |
| [10:55:58] | DGnome: | joobie: not worth it |
| [10:56:03] | directhex|work: | in a strange fit of irony, hdmi audio IS supported in some cases, but not by everyone's usual favourites, nvidia |
| [10:56:22] | ben_: | yeah |
| [10:56:31] | DGnome: | joobie: however, VGA is not a very exact transport method, being analog and all |
| [10:56:43] | DGnome: | nvidia is evil |
| [10:56:50] | DGnome: | but it feels oh so good |
| [10:57:26] | joobie: | DGnome, |
| [10:57:30] | joobie: | but it's digital to my mediacenter |
| [10:57:40] | DGnome: | what? |
| [10:57:42] | joobie: | just analogue to the tv form the mediacente.r. like a 1mtr cable |
| [10:57:47] | DGnome: | so |
| [10:57:51] | joobie: | there is a serious noticable quality difference |
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| [10:57:53] | DGnome: | VGA == FUZZY |
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| [10:58:10] | joobie: | damn |
| [10:58:11] | DGnome: | have you checked what resolution you get? |
| [10:58:26] | joobie: | in xorg it's 1024x768 |
| [10:58:30] | DGnome: | that may be a bigger problem than a bit of ghosting and such |
| [10:58:35] | DGnome: | well there's your problem |
| [10:58:52] | joobie: | how come? |
| [10:58:53] | DGnome: | now the tv is caling your fuzzy picture with even worse algorithms |
| [10:58:58] | DGnome: | scaling.. |
| [10:59:11] | joobie: | what do i need to do to fix that DG? |
| [10:59:18] | joobie: | my tv is a 720p one |
| [10:59:20] | DGnome: | 720p panel != 1024x768 |
| [10:59:24] | joobie: | oh |
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| [10:59:37] | DGnome: | try adding 1280x720 resolution to xorg.conf |
| [10:59:41] | joobie: | i did that |
| [10:59:42] | DGnome: | or even better |
| [10:59:49] | joobie: | it comes up wiht a bit of this weird color |
| [10:59:49] | DGnome: | 1360x768 if it works |
| [10:59:51] | joobie: | when i use that |
| [10:59:52] | directhex|work: | 1360x768 more likely |
| [11:00:00] | joobie: | ok thanks guys |
| [11:00:03] | joobie: | ill give that a shot now |
| [11:00:07] | joobie: | damn |
| [11:00:10] | justinh: | how about just using the _native_ _resolution_ _of_ _the_ _panel_ ? |
| [11:00:11] | joobie: | my heart is pumpen |
| [11:00:15] | joobie: | with the hope it wil come good:P |
| [11:00:29] | directhex|work: | justinh, which is highly likely to be 1366x768 |
| [11:00:53] | DGnome: | My guess is; the tv will not accept 1366x768 nor 1360x768 |
| [11:01:12] | DGnome: | most tv-sets only accept 1024x768 over vga :) |
| [11:01:18] | DGnome: | old ones |
| [11:01:25] | joobie: | ya |
| [11:01:27] | joobie: | this one says that |
| [11:01:28] | joobie: | sec |
| [11:01:30] | DGnome: | dont know about more modern cheapie-models |
| [11:01:35] | joobie: | that's where i got this form |
| [11:01:43] | joobie: | it says in the manual |
| [11:02:03] | directhex|work: | DGnome, my samsung is a couple of years old, and always did it |
| [11:02:13] | joobie: | well |
| [11:02:16] | joobie: | waht do u guys make of this |
| [11:02:20] | joobie: | it says |
| [11:02:20] | directhex|work: | DGnome, now, the EDID data, that's another matter |
| [11:02:21] | DGnome: | joobie: tha manual says eat? |
| [11:02:44] | DGnome: | directhex|work: yup, I know, but it may be worse if you are a noob :) |
| [11:02:52] | joobie: | "Number of pixels: 786,432 (1,024 (W) x 768 (H)) [3,072 x 768 dots] |
| [11:03:02] | joobie: | DGnome, negative :P |
| [11:03:09] | joobie: | that is why i used 1024 x 768 |
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| [11:03:19] | directhex|work: | plasma? |
| [11:03:25] | DGnome: | k, what does xorg say that the EDID reports? |
| [11:03:28] | joobie: | ya plasma |
| [11:03:31] | DGnome: | oh |
| [11:03:31] | directhex|work: | urgh |
| [11:03:36] | DGnome: | you may be fucked |
| [11:03:36] | justinh: | non-square pixel yuckiness |
| [11:03:37] | directhex|work: | pretend hd. goddamn plasma |
| [11:03:44] | joobie: | eh |
| [11:03:47] | joobie: | dont tell me that |
| [11:03:52] | joobie: | i paid like 2500$AUD for this tv |
| [11:03:57] | justinh: | don't tell you the truth? aww |
| [11:04:02] | joobie: | if i look close at it, the pixels look square |
| [11:04:04] | directhex|work: | joobie, take a calculator, and do "1024/768" |
| [11:04:21] | joobie: | 1.333333333333 |
| [11:04:24] | directhex|work: | joobie, now, calculate "1280/720" |
| [11:04:30] | justinh: | that's a 4:3 pixel aspect for a 16:9 display |
| [11:04:43] | joobie: | 1.7777777777778 |
| [11:04:52] | directhex|work: | if the numbers don't match, your pixels are stretched and non-standard. which breaks pretty much everything expecing normal pixels |
| [11:05:35] | DGnome: | Plasma sucks, I rest my case. |
| [11:05:43] | joobie: | but when i plug into my antenna, it comes up sweet as |
| [11:06:10] | joobie: | i dont think ill buy another plazma btw – i mean despite what you guys mentioned above too |
| [11:06:20] | joobie: | i left it on accidently on the AV screen for a few hours |
| [11:06:23] | DGnome: | try connecting to it via HDMI |
| [11:06:28] | DGnome: | see if it is as blurry |
| [11:06:33] | joobie: | then on a black scree, i coudl see like this lighter black sitting over where the osd was |
| [11:06:42] | DGnome: | oh it burned in :/ |
| [11:06:43] | joobie: | DGnome, i dont have HDMI cables |
| [11:06:48] | joobie: | DGnome, slightly |
| [11:06:59] | DGnome: | then buy a cable |
| [11:07:15] | DGnome: | cheapest I found costs 17EUR |
| [11:07:28] | DGnome: | and It does 1080p just fine :) |
| [11:07:37] | DGnome: | 2 meter length |
| [11:07:42] | joobie: | but i have that problem with the audio DG |
| [11:07:45] | DGnome: | 1080p60 even |
| [11:07:47] | DGnome: | so |
| [11:07:49] | joobie: | like my TV needs audio and video in the one hdmi |
| [11:07:51] | DGnome: | just try it |
| [11:08:09] | DGnome: | to see if you need to buy a new tv or an A/V-receiver |
| [11:08:34] | joobie: | fuk a new TV is out of the question |
| [11:08:43] | joobie: | u duno how much nagging it had to do to get this tV |
| [11:08:51] | joobie: | my wife is anti-mediacenter |
| [11:08:52] | DGnome: | 20 bucks is a chap test |
| [11:08:56] | joobie: | anti-technology |
| [11:09:03] | joobie: | yea |
| [11:09:16] | joobie: | but i mean.. what will it prove? |
| [11:09:27] | joobie: | because if it's micky mouse – i still cant use it cos of the audio issue |
| [11:09:52] | DGnome: | you will know if your TV sucks huuge d*nkey ******* or not |
| [11:10:09] | DGnome: | and then you can solve the audio problem with an A/V-receiver |
| [11:11:00] | joobie: | hey the pic is not bad now |
| [11:11:02] | DGnome: | I run DVI-HDMI to my tv and coax audio to my receiver |
| [11:11:04] | joobie: | i enabled this opengl option |
| [11:11:17] | joobie: | it looks pretty crisp |
| [11:11:20] | DGnome: | wtf? |
| [11:11:25] | joobie: | yea :P |
| [11:11:26] | joobie: | sec |
| [11:11:28] | joobie: | ill ge thte option |
| [11:11:49] | DGnome: | opengl should give you more problems, not less |
| [11:11:49] | joobie: | "Enable OpenGL vertical sync for timing" |
| [11:11:54] | joobie: | lol |
| [11:13:07] | DGnome: | I wonder why people pay so much for plasma tv-sets |
| [11:13:59] | joobie: | i paid so much because my mrs wouldnt let me pay the extra 1k for an LCD |
| [11:14:16] | mzb_d800: | WAF |
| [11:15:05] | joobie: | mzb_d800, dont have to be a fag to give consideration to ur mrs |
| [11:15:15] | mzb_d800: | totally |
| [11:15:22] | mzb_d800: | got a similar issue ;) |
| [11:15:35] | joobie: | heh |
| [11:15:47] | joobie: | hey directhex|work / DGnome .. |
| [11:15:51] | mzb_d800: | but in my case I have spares for the current display |
| [11:15:54] | joobie: | those caluclates u guys made me do above |
| [11:15:58] | mzb_d800: | (35yo 59cm;) |
| [11:15:59] | joobie: | how the pixels are stretched |
| [11:16:05] | joobie: | does it have anything to do with a 16:9 aspect ratio |
| [11:16:18] | joobie: | my tv is a widescreen.. so i think it's mean tto be stretched |
| [11:17:04] | directhex|work: | joobie, no, it's meant to have more pixels |
| [11:17:20] | directhex|work: | joobie, for example, a 26" HD LCD is 1366x768 pixels |
| [11:17:40] | DGnome: | I spent 1500EUR on my 42" 1080p LCD, and it is good enough. |
| [11:17:45] | joobie: | i see |
| [11:18:23] | joobie: | well |
| [11:18:26] | joobie: | i have what i have hey |
| [11:18:30] | joobie: | cant really upgrade now |
| [11:18:38] | joobie: | maybe there isa setting that will fix this? |
| [11:18:47] | joobie: | sometimes some shows / commericals come up with a black border |
| [11:18:54] | joobie: | likea pretty thick black border |
| [11:18:58] | joobie: | sometimes they fit the screen full screen |
| [11:19:01] | mzb_d800: | get the mrs hooked on it, and then slowly increase the burn-in ;) |
| [11:19:02] | joobie: | not sure why...... |
| [11:19:08] | joobie: | is thtat a setting thing? |
| [11:19:20] | joobie: | mzb_d800, eheh.. good plan ;P |
| [11:19:39] | joobie: | she was impressed with myth being able to watch a show we just watched earlier |
| [11:19:48] | joobie: | gotta work up those brownie points |
| [11:19:49] | joobie: | :P |
| [11:19:58] | joobie: | but seriously.. i personally dont want to fork out another 2500 for another tv |
| [11:20:04] | joobie: | 2500$ is like.. 2000$USD |
| [11:20:08] | mzb_d800: | record rage and cut up the songs :) |
| [11:20:09] | DGnome: | joobie: what make and model is your plasma? |
| [11:20:10] | joobie: | it's not cheap |
| [11:20:37] | DGnome: | seems to me that it is |
| [11:20:44] | joobie: | DGnome, it's a Panasonic TH-42PX70A |
| [11:20:45] | DGnome: | 2500AUD = 1500EUR |
| [11:20:53] | joobie: | damn |
| [11:20:58] | DGnome: | my LCD is cheap |
| [11:21:05] | DGnome: | so your plasma is supercheap |
| [11:21:07] | joobie: | ya sounds like u got a good buy |
| [11:21:22] | joobie: | my plasma is not super cheap |
| [11:21:24] | joobie: | there were cheaper |
| [11:21:30] | joobie: | i bought this about 1year ago |
| [11:21:49] | joobie: | at least at the time of buying it it was not the cheapest |
| [11:22:01] | DGnome: | still, teh resolution sucks |
| [11:22:01] | joobie: | http://panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?productID=6042 |
| [11:22:01] | joobie: | that is it |
| [11:22:06] | joobie: | yea |
| [11:22:13] | joobie: | i wanted to pay the extra 1k to get the 1080p lcd |
| [11:22:16] | joobie: | mrs didnt want to |
| [11:22:16] | DGnome: | try readingav-forums |
| [11:22:36] | DGnome: | see if you can find someone with the same kind of problems |
| [11:23:04] | DGnome: | and use your desktop too see if you get sharp picture |
| [11:23:15] | DGnome: | console fonts are usually best to check that with |
| [11:23:25] | joobie: | desktop is crisp |
| [11:23:34] | joobie: | see DGnome .. sometimes i get really crisp |
| [11:23:38] | joobie: | but others i dont.. |
| [11:23:52] | joobie: | like there was an ad just before.. i know it would be super crisp.. it was white against black.. like white text |
| [11:23:56] | joobie: | and it didnt look that crisp |
| [11:24:03] | joobie: | now im in a HD movie and it's crisp as |
| [11:24:18] | joobie: | also some commericals come up not fullscreen.. they have this black border around the edge |
| [11:24:44] | mzb_d800: | sides? |
| [11:25:05] | joobie: | sides and top |
| [11:25:08] | joobie: | like all around it |
| [11:25:27] | joobie: | something like a .. 4inch border.. it's not small |
| [11:25:42] | mzb_d800: | check your settings? |
| [11:25:53] | joobie: | which setting mzb? |
| [11:26:05] | DGnome: | 4:3 resolution on a non square wide display |
| [11:26:08] | DGnome: | that's your problem |
| [11:26:16] | mzb_d800: | aspect and|or zoom |
| [11:26:16] | quicksilver: | mythtv doesn't automatically flick zoom modes for you |
| [11:26:30] | quicksilver: | whereas most appliance-style STBs will do that |
| [11:26:32] | mzb_d800: | I mean on the tv |
| [11:26:49] | quicksilver: | so if your TV station broadcasts ads in a different aspect ratio from the main program |
| [11:27:02] | quicksilver: | you get letterboxes or the converse. THat's my understanding. |
| [11:27:16] | quicksilver: | stab your aspect ration button for other options :) |
| [11:27:18] | joobie: | but it never used to be so frequent until i used this mediacenter |
| [11:27:20] | mzb_d800: | .au stations are still flicking all over the place |
| [11:27:23] | joobie: | like the occasional ad would come lke that.. |
| [11:27:27] | DGnome: | joobie:you could fix it by making myth force the AR to 4:3 |
| [11:27:29] | joobie: | now more than 50% of ads are like that |
| [11:27:38] | joobie: | DGnome, where's that setting?:P |
| [11:27:47] | DGnome: | joobie: frontend playback settings |
| [11:28:05] | joobie: | k checking |
| [11:28:07] | mzb_d800: | I've eventually found the correct combination of settings for each of my FE's |
| [11:28:14] | mzb_d800: | and they've all been different |
| [11:28:21] | DGnome: | joobie: learn to flick throught the setup, that's how you learn |
| [11:29:06] | DGnome: | mzb_d800: I usually get to use a certain model for setup |
| [11:29:38] | DGnome: | mostly because I buy similar HW :) |
| [11:30:07] | DGnome: | most problems are due to displays |
| [11:30:17] | joobie: | wowzers |
| [11:30:23] | joobie: | DGnome, are u sure it's not 16:9 i want? |
| [11:30:28] | DGnome: | analog connections suck and EDID information is never correct. |
| [11:30:29] | joobie: | i set to that and it looks ultra-crisp |
| [11:30:46] | joobie: | fark |
| [11:30:53] | joobie: | these quality looks like my original tv quality |
| [11:31:02] | DGnome: | joobie: you are using a 4:3 resolution so you should force everything to 4:3 |
| [11:31:08] | joobie: | ahh damn |
| [11:31:10] | joobie: | i like this tho |
| [11:31:11] | joobie: | :P |
| [11:31:14] | joobie: | eheh aite.. changen |
| [11:31:24] | DGnome: | unless you want 16/9 to become 16/5 |
| [11:31:27] | DGnome: | or somerhing |
| [11:31:39] | DGnome: | something |
| [11:31:44] | joobie: | the manual says my aspect ratio is 16:9 tho |
| [11:31:47] | joobie: | wtf |
| [11:31:48] | DGnome: | YES |
| [11:31:48] | mzb_d800: | DGnome: I haven't had the luxury (or budget) to be able to get new *anything* ... esp. displays |
| [11:31:51] | joobie: | 4:3 is squeezed up |
| [11:31:58] | DGnome: | nonononononono |
| [11:32:00] | joobie: | now i have borders on the left and right |
| [11:32:10] | DGnome: | you are a supplying a 4:3 resoltution to the TV |
| [11:32:32] | DGnome: | so if you want widescreen to be correct, force 4:3 |
| [11:32:40] | joobie: | on the TV? |
| [11:32:44] | DGnome: | in myth |
| [11:32:47] | joobie: | i did that |
| [11:32:50] | DGnome: | good |
| [11:32:55] | joobie: | but it has borders on the left and right now |
| [11:32:59] | joobie: | it's crisp as |
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| [11:33:03] | joobie: | just borders on left and right |
| [11:33:06] | DGnome: | damn you |
| [11:33:08] | joobie: | ehehhe |
| [11:33:11] | DGnome: | put the tv on 16:9 |
| [11:33:19] | DGnome: | and fuck the crispness |
| [11:33:19] | joobie: | damn plazma |
| [11:33:27] | joobie: | ok |
| [11:33:31] | joobie: | so myth on 4:3 |
| [11:33:33] | joobie: | and tv on 16:9 |
| [11:33:34] | joobie: | ya? |
| [11:33:34] | DGnome: | yes |
| [11:33:37] | DGnome: | yes |
| [11:33:41] | joobie: | cool |
| [11:33:49] | joobie: | trien |
| [11:33:56] | DGnome: | now you will have correct widescreen and stretched 4:3 |
| [11:34:04] | DGnome: | no black bars |
| [11:34:23] | DGnome: | unless on 16:9 with theatreformat video |
| [11:34:31] | DGnome: | that will give you black bars |
| [11:34:35] | mzb_d800: | is this common with all plasmas? |
| [11:34:37] | DGnome: | top and nottom |
| [11:34:53] | DGnome: | mzb_d800: most modern plasmas are square |
| [11:35:00] | mzb_d800: | ok |
| [11:35:07] | DGnome: | mzb_d800: and support 16:9 resolutions |
| [11:35:10] | joobie: | DGnome, i have my TV forced to 16:9 and myth to 4:3 |
| [11:35:13] | joobie: | but i have black bars |
| [11:35:17] | mzb_d800: | handy to know, thanks |
| [11:35:20] | DGnome: | joobie: where? |
| [11:35:25] | DGnome: | mzb_d800: dint buy a plasma |
| [11:35:29] | DGnome: | mzb_d800: dont |
| [11:35:29] | nagnag: | Anyone who know if TerraTec Cinergy S2 PCI HD is supported in linux/myth ? |
| [11:35:38] | mzb_d800: | DGnome: not planning to |
| [11:35:38] | joobie: | DGnome, on left and right |
| [11:35:48] | joobie: | the picture looks slightly squished up also.. left to right |
| [11:35:50] | mzb_d800: | got a 42" RPTV waiting in the wings ($0) |
| [11:35:53] | joobie: | btu the quality looks nuts. |
| [11:35:54] | DGnome: | joobie: widescreen or 4:3 content? |
| [11:36:16] | joobie: | DGnome, not sure.. how do i check that? |
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| [11:36:19] | mzb_d800: | not likely to improve on that until "true black" technology comes out (and $000's come my way) |
| [11:36:25] | joobie: | this is just a broadcast from the HD channel |
| [11:36:30] | DGnome: | joobie: you have to just be able to see that |
| [11:36:58] | DGnome: | joobie: HD is 16:9 |
| [11:37:09] | joobie: | ahh |
| [11:37:19] | joobie: | well this is the HD channel |
| [11:37:24] | DGnome: | joobie: and are you sure that the bars are not burned in the video? |
| [11:37:56] | joobie: | i have teh acadamy awards on now |
| [11:38:03] | joobie: | pretty sure they dont burn them in |
| [11:38:08] | DGnome: | because there may be 16:9 content with 4:3 content in it |
| [11:38:16] | joobie: | ok |
| [11:38:21] | DGnome: | okay, then check what your tv has? |
| [11:38:23] | justinh: | are you running mythfrontend in a resolution which isn't a 16:9 aspect? |
| [11:38:23] | joobie: | im watching a flick now |
| [11:38:25] | DGnome: | for AR |
| [11:38:26] | joobie: | that must be widescreen |
| [11:38:35] | joobie: | it's one of the more popular HD flicks |
| [11:38:39] | joobie: | supernatural |
| [11:38:49] | mzb_d800: | 10 |
| [11:38:51] | mzb_d800: | yep, wide |
| [11:38:54] | DGnome: | joobie: what AR is the tv o? |
| [11:39:02] | joobie: | justinh, my xorg res is 1024x768 |
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| [11:39:25] | joobie: | ahh didnt kno u were aussie mzb:P |
| [11:39:28] | justinh: | so myth thinks you're on a 4:3 TV for one thing |
| [11:39:33] | mzb_d800: | .tas.au ;) |
| [11:39:44] | joobie: | cool:P |
| [11:39:55] | mzb_d800: | (where 10 == Tasmanian Digital Television;) |
| [11:39:57] | DGnome: | justinh: his tv has non square pixels |
| [11:40:10] | justinh: | DGnome: what does that have to do with the price of fish? |
| [11:40:10] | joobie: | hmm |
| [11:40:14] | justinh: | fuck all is what |
| [11:40:18] | joobie: | so does that mean i need to change my resolution in xorg? |
| [11:40:27] | DGnome: | justinh: a whole bunch |
| [11:40:27] | justinh: | X assumes square pixels until you tell it any different |
| [11:40:51] | justinh: | that's what DISPLAYSIZE is for |
| [11:40:54] | joobie: | so how do i do this? i mean the technical manual of my tv says: 1024 x 768 |
| [11:40:56] | joobie: | that's why i set it |
| [11:41:00] | mzb_d800: | joobie: nvidia card? |
| [11:41:07] | joobie: | mzb_d800, intel |
| [11:41:14] | justinh: | use DISPLAYSIZE then |
| [11:41:23] | joobie: | justinh, what should i set that to? |
| [11:41:35] | mzb_d800: | get a ruler out ;) |
| [11:41:42] | joobie: | lol |
| [11:41:45] | justinh: | you don't need a ruler |
| [11:41:53] | justinh: | just has to reflect a 16:9 aspect |
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| [11:42:14] | joobie: | justinh, is the display size the number of dots? my manual says 3072 x 768 dots if that helps? |
| [11:42:17] | justinh: | I use 400 225 for my 16:9 TV with a 4:3 X resolution |
| [11:42:24] | joobie: | ahh |
| [11:42:29] | joobie: | i already have that set justin |
| [11:42:34] | joobie: | DisplaySize 400 225 |
| [11:42:38] | joobie: | i have that in my monitor section |
| [11:42:43] | justinh: | ok |
| [11:43:03] | justinh: | why not get something you KNOW is 16:9 and try playing that? |
| [11:43:03] | Dibblah: | 3kx768? Now that's wiiiiiide screen. |
| [11:43:37] | mzb_d800: | current (live) 10 is wide (news) |
| [11:43:53] | Dibblah: | Ah, right, it's r+g+b*pixels. |
| [11:44:04] | Dibblah: | Stupid way of increasing the numbers :) |
| [11:44:06] | justinh: | oh effing hell. the person in the forum rattling on about making a theme wants to make images containing text explaining menu items. I've seen worse ideas |
| [11:44:13] | joobie: | justinh, that previous flick i was watching is definitely 16:9 |
| [11:44:28] | joobie: | ok sweet |
| [11:44:34] | justinh: | joobie: youdon't know if it's being broadcast wide or not |
| [11:44:35] | joobie: | i got 10 news |
| [11:45:44] | joobie: | justinh, mzb is from AU |
| [11:45:46] | joobie: | like me |
| [11:45:52] | joobie: | he said 10 news is 16:9 |
| [11:45:52] | DGnome: | joobie: if you have displaysize set corretc, then you should not force AR in myth, I didnt think that youd been playing around with displaysize allready |
| [11:46:10] | joobie: | DGnome, i have been a bit.. |
| [11:46:23] | mzb_d800: | I'm watching it on a STB ... it's wide |
| [11:46:53] | joobie: | i duno if this is normal, but if i set my aspect ratio to 16:9 in myth |
| [11:46:55] | joobie: | it takes the full screen |
| [11:47:01] | joobie: | liek i dont get those black bars |
| [11:47:18] | DGnome: | and? |
| [11:47:28] | mzb_d800: | isn't that what you want? :) |
| [11:47:28] | joobie: | and i duno if that's right |
| [11:47:31] | joobie: | yea |
| [11:47:40] | DGnome: | As I said |
| [11:47:43] | joobie: | but just not sure.. now im doubting myself thinking all this jazz about stretching pixels |
| [11:47:44] | joobie: | etc |
| [11:47:54] | DGnome: | dont force AR in myth if your displaysize is correct |
| [11:47:58] | joobie: | mzb |
| [11:48:01] | joobie: | is it black bars |
| [11:48:02] | joobie: | now |
| [11:48:02] | joobie: | ? |
| [11:48:03] | joobie: | on news |
| [11:48:07] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [11:48:08] | joobie: | for the bali |
| [11:48:10] | joobie: | ahhhh |
| [11:48:10] | mzb_d800: | sorry |
| [11:48:15] | joobie: | na ur right |
| [11:48:17] | joobie: | then after this |
| [11:48:18] | joobie: | it goes full? |
| [11:48:21] | joobie: | ful now |
| [11:48:21] | mzb_d800: | wide |
| [11:48:21] | joobie: | ? |
| [11:48:24] | joobie: | ahhhhhhhh |
| [11:48:32] | joobie: | so it's normal to get those black bars? |
| [11:48:56] | mzb_d800: | for a 4:3 transmission, yes ... depending on everything else going on ;) |
| [11:49:09] | joobie: | fark |
| [11:49:14] | DGnome: | fark? |
| [11:49:15] | joobie: | did u hear that story mzb? |
| [11:49:21] | joobie: | sry watchen the news |
| [11:49:29] | joobie: | they just said they found a child buried in cement |
| [11:49:43] | mzb_d800: | something seems to be distracting me ... sort of a beeping noise |
| [11:50:04] | joobie: | mzb, is that display good quality on urs |
| [11:50:07] | joobie: | or sorta blured a bit |
| [11:50:09] | joobie: | the display now |
| [11:50:09] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [11:50:23] | mzb_d800: | on a 69cm, 35yo PAL TV? |
| [11:50:28] | joobie: | heee |
| [11:50:30] | joobie: | hehe |
| [11:50:31] | joobie: | aite |
| [11:50:34] | joobie: | point taken:P |
| [11:50:44] | mzb_d800: | British video is often crappy ;P |
| [11:50:57] | mzb_d800: | news is a good test, I guess |
| [11:51:07] | mzb_d800: | you noted 4:3 from Indonesia |
| [11:51:13] | mzb_d800: | poor quality from UK |
| [11:51:20] | joobie: | ahh |
| [11:51:25] | mzb_d800: | wait until you see crap from the States :)) |
| [11:51:26] | joobie: | bloody poms |
| [11:51:30] | joobie: | heheh |
| [11:51:36] | joobie: | hey guys |
| [11:51:36] | mzb_d800: | *cough* |
| [11:51:41] | joobie: | thanks for all the help hey |
| [11:51:43] | ** mzb_d800 waves ** | |
| [11:51:46] | joobie: | to a heap of u |
| [11:51:54] | joobie: | video has come a long way since a few hours ago |
| [11:51:55] | DGnome: | wee *blep* |
| [11:51:56] | joobie: | and audio |
| [11:52:04] | joobie: | serious thanks DG |
| [11:52:05] | joobie: | just |
| [11:52:07] | joobie: | much appreciated |
| [11:52:08] | mzb_d800: | 4: |
| [11:52:10] | mzb_d800: | 4:3 |
| [11:52:12] | joobie: | and mz |
| [11:52:16] | mzb_d800: | wide |
| [11:52:18] | mzb_d800: | np |
| [11:52:28] | mzb_d800: | 4:3 (US) |
| [11:52:31] | joobie: | i was lookin at this before thinken fark.. the display just aint hte same |
| [11:52:35] | joobie: | but it's come decent |
| [11:52:38] | joobie: | yaa |
| [11:52:43] | joobie: | can see the black bars for that |
| [11:53:44] | DGnome: | If I only knew what to do to increase mysql performance |
| [11:54:09] | DGnome: | otherwise okay but browsing the program guide gets serously slow |
| [11:54:41] | DGnome: | SATA SSD disk for /var could solve my problem but it's a bit costly :) |
| [11:55:08] | mzb_d800: | /tmp on ramdisk help? |
| [11:56:03] | DGnome: | dunno |
| [11:56:12] | DGnome: | does mythtv write stuff to /tmp ? |
| [11:57:38] | DGnome: | all I know is that it's about harddrive i/o perfomance |
| [11:57:55] | joobie: | DGnome, i used to be a linxu sysadmin |
| [11:57:58] | joobie: | for the last 8 years or so |
| [11:58:09] | joobie: | did a bit on mysql performance |
| [11:58:27] | joobie: | u can optimize at a few levels hey |
| [11:58:31] | joobie: | there's a tool u can use tho |
| [11:58:34] | joobie: | which is not coming to mind |
| [11:58:35] | DGnome: | any quick tips? |
| [11:58:42] | joobie: | but u can monitor mysql threads |
| [11:58:51] | joobie: | an see what queries are going through.. what tables are lcoked, etc |
| [11:59:02] | joobie: | to see if ther'es any table locking issues that may be causing the bottleneck |
| [11:59:03] | DGnome: | i increased query cache from 16M to 32M.. didn't do much |
| [11:59:12] | joobie: | well u need to see if it slow by locking issues or slow by performance |
| [11:59:24] | joobie: | ya |
| [11:59:26] | joobie: | DG |
| [11:59:32] | joobie: | look around on google a bit to find this tool |
| [11:59:36] | joobie: | it allows u to monitor mysql threads |
| [11:59:41] | DGnome: | I can see that scrolling the guide makes my harddrive do stuff |
| [11:59:53] | joobie: | ya |
| [11:59:56] | DGnome: | and I know it's slow |
| [12:00:19] | DGnome: | some sort of pre-caching would be a solution but that's up to rendering the guide |
| [12:01:32] | joobie: | what version mysql are u using |
| [12:01:37] | DGnome: | 5.0 |
| [12:01:59] | joobie: | DG |
| [12:02:03] | joobie: | u need this tool first |
| [12:02:08] | joobie: | then u can browse your directory |
| [12:02:15] | joobie: | and see waht queries are running on mysql as u do this |
| [12:02:25] | joobie: | then u can optimize around this.. |
| [12:02:45] | mzb_d800: | hoping SAGE-AU will get around to processing my membership :| ...did you go to lca joobie? |
| [12:03:06] | joobie: | mzb_d800, i didn't.. :/ just noticed it in the linux mag on the train today actually |
| [12:03:11] | joobie: | 02feb it ended from memory |
| [12:03:16] | joobie: | cursing .. it was in melbourne too !!:P |
| [12:03:18] | mzb_d800: | err |
| [12:03:38] | joobie: | did u go? |
| [12:03:53] | mzb_d800: | give or take ... can't remember now ... (let's call it "jet-lag" from Melb->Hbt;)) |
| [12:03:56] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [12:03:58] | mzb_d800: | good fun |
| [12:04:04] | joobie: | eheh cool :) |
| [12:04:11] | mzb_d800: | 70 OLPCs given away |
| [12:04:14] | joobie: | any interesting topics? |
| [12:04:16] | joobie: | nice |
| [12:04:20] | mzb_d800: | (didn't get one:|) |
| [12:04:26] | mzb_d800: | yep ... NFS tuning |
| [12:04:44] | DGnome: | joobie: is the tool called mytop? |
| [12:04:52] | DGnome: | joobie: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/mytop-top-like-quer . . . r-mysql.html |
| [12:04:55] | Dagmar: | Grrr... |
| [12:05:03] | DGnome: | joobie: or will it suffice? |
| [12:05:05] | mzb_d800: | tried to get *really* involved (see http://marchsouth.org) |
| [12:05:08] | Dagmar: | A pox on people who set up a monitoring system and have it store the data to a _remote_ mysql server. |
| [12:05:31] | mzb_d800: | volunteered and even went as far as a lightning talk on Ramdisk Rescue |
| [12:05:54] | mzb_d800: | wow ... had no idea talking to several hundred geeks would be so nerve-wracking ;) |
| [12:06:06] | DGnome: | Dagmar: that sounds... not optimal :D |
| [12:06:07] | joobie: | ya i think so DGnome |
| [12:06:17] | joobie: | i am actually reading about mytop now to paste u the link:P |
| [12:06:19] | joobie: | it sounds like it |
| [12:06:21] | fatmatt: | oooh, mysql talk. |
| [12:06:27] | joobie: | i dont recall to be honest.. but it does sound familar |
| [12:06:40] | joobie: | we had an issue with our java based system at work with load.. |
| [12:06:50] | joobie: | management pumped thousands into newer hardware.. clusters, etc |
| [12:07:06] | joobie: | but it turns out mytop found the issue with a few queries that were locking tables |
| [12:07:11] | DGnome: | :) |
| [12:07:14] | joobie: | causing a huge bottleneck when under significant load |
| [12:07:14] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [12:07:29] | joobie: | this was years back – but ya, mytop sounds like it DG |
| [12:07:35] | fatmatt: | anyone ever used access to connect to a mysql database? |
| [12:07:48] | joobie: | fatmatt, I have.. via odbc driver |
| [12:07:52] | joobie: | a long long time ago:P |
| [12:08:01] | jamesd: | fatmatt, yes but its been a while for me too |
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| [12:08:44] | fatmatt: | I've got a little database type project going (database as in collect data, not database as in software type..yet) the stuff I'm working with so far is in excel it's icky |
| [12:08:45] | BobSlob: | Anyone know if the xfi platinum front panel works within linux/ |
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| [12:09:48] | justinh: | !trout aussies pom-hating |
| [12:09:48] | ** MythLogBot slaps aussies with a pom-hating trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
| [12:11:30] | joobie: | DGnome, have a read of http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/ . . . y-cache.html also.. it might help |
| [12:11:46] | joobie: | DGnome, but first, identify what queries are run from mytop when u browse the guide |
| [12:11:54] | joobie: | brb toilet |
| [12:12:18] | ** mzb_d800 fires up the barbie ** | |
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| [12:14:28] | DGnome: | BobSlob: if the front panel is connected by hardware, yes |
| [12:14:41] | ** mzb_d800 throws out the little pommy-trout and puts on an Atlantic Salmon instead! ;) ** | |
| [12:14:47] | DGnome: | BobSlob: if creative have done a booboo again, no |
| [12:15:20] | BobSlob: | DGnome: yeah, it's connected directly to the card itself... thats good to know |
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| [12:17:02] | DGnome: | BobSlob: atleast that's the way the older front panels work |
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| [12:17:16] | DGnome: | creative is so, out nowadays |
| [12:17:32] | joobie: | ok |
| [12:17:38] | joobie: | time to fit in a game of wc3 |
| [12:17:43] | DGnome: | :o |
| [12:17:56] | kreat0r: | i know this is way off topic... but i am getting a new cellphone |
| [12:17:59] | kreat0r: | what should i get |
| [12:18:01] | joobie: | DG – yell out if u need a hand with mysql.. will be on tomoro / day after |
| [12:18:03] | directhex|work: | a red one |
| [12:18:08] | directhex|work: | mine's red, and it's good |
| [12:18:10] | joobie: | i owe u for all ur help:P |
| [12:18:10] | kreat0r: | i want something wifi capable maybe |
| [12:18:23] | joobie: | Cheers guys.. g'nite |
| [12:18:39] | joobie: | mzb_d800, AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE |
| [12:18:45] | mzb_d800: | OI OI OI ! |
| [12:18:47] | joobie: | ;) |
| [12:18:48] | joobie: | night |
| [12:18:53] | mzb_d800: | gnite |
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| [12:20:17] | DGnome: | 15 QPS on my mythconverg :) |
| [12:20:59] | DGnome: | I envy australia, you have hd over dvb-t |
| [12:21:19] | mzb_d800: | heh ... just need to get an HD TV ;) |
| [12:21:47] | DGnome: | we get HD from satellite and I'n not allowed to mount a dish in my apartment wall |
| [12:21:53] | maki__: | anyone knows what tveeprom 0–0050: Encountered bad packet header [ff]. Corrupt or not a Hauppauge eeprom. ivtv0: Invalid EEPROM |
| [12:22:09] | mzb_d800: | still pretty much test-loop for HD in .tas.au though :( |
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| [12:22:26] | maki__: | means, sorry for the offtopic, but i couldn't find nothing on the net |
| [12:22:28] | DGnome: | good news is, local cable co. is going to roll out HD soon |
| [12:22:41] | DGnome: | maki__: try #linuxtv |
| [12:22:46] | mzb_d800: | nice |
| [12:22:57] | DGnome: | maki__: it's more of their turf :) |
| [12:23:08] | DGnome: | but at what price? |
| [12:23:17] | maki__: | DGnome: isn't linuxtv for dvb? |
| [12:23:21] | DGnome: | TBD, a testicle or two is my guess |
| [12:23:34] | DGnome: | maki__: linxtv is also V4L |
| [12:23:44] | maki__: | ok thanks a lot |
| [12:24:14] | BobSlob: | the lg dual-hd format drive... work in linux (ie. playback and everything)? |
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| [12:24:31] | DGnome: | one moment |
| [12:24:41] | justinh: | DGnome: yay if it's encrippled in a form you can decripple with a commonly available CAM :) |
| [12:25:10] | DGnome: | justinh: should be |
| [12:25:12] | justinh: | anyway it'll be h.264 so you'll need dual core goodness & 0.21 mythtv |
| [12:25:23] | DGnome: | maybe not |
| [12:25:31] | DGnome: | and that would not be a big problem |
| [12:25:48] | DGnome: | they had a test broadcast online a while ago which was MPEG2 |
| [12:25:57] | justinh: | my 1.83 C2D mobile can play BBC HD. h.264 1080i, deinterlaced – 50% per core |
| [12:26:12] | justinh: | oops 50% total I mean. |
| [12:26:17] | DGnome: | I'll be getting a E8200 lg775 based system |
| [12:26:26] | justinh: | that should just eat it |
| [12:26:35] | DGnome: | it will suffice |
| [12:26:41] | justinh: | with the right loopfilter options :) |
| [12:26:52] | mzb_d800: | heh ... ad on tv for www.driftaustralia.com.au must have generated a bit more than their webserver could handle ... oops |
| [12:26:58] | directhex|work: | BobSlob, ripping, yes. playing, not possible in linux without ripping first |
| [12:27:23] | DGnome: | justinh: mplayer -lavdopts threads=2 plays bbchd on a AMD64 +4800 here at the office |
| [12:27:47] | BobSlob: | directhex|work: damn... not the answer i was hoping for =( |
| [12:27:56] | DGnome: | justinh: also with E6550 and E6600 |
| [12:27:57] | justinh: | AMD don't make CPUs anymore :P |
| [12:28:20] | DGnome: | justinh: intel is the way to fly till Phenom 9650 comes out |
| [12:28:32] | mzb_d800: | I'm hoping that a 4000+ will be fast enough |
| [12:28:38] | justinh: | LA LA LA LA LA LA |
| [12:28:44] | DGnome: | no more TLB bug, which also is a problem for Intel |
| [12:28:46] | mzb_d800: | (actually a BE-2350) |
| [12:28:59] | DGnome: | mzb_d800: loopfilter settings will help you :) |
| [12:29:18] | mzb_d800: | haven't got one yet, don't have HDTV ... just preparing for a project |
| [12:29:22] | justinh: | spent too much of my life being an AMD cheapskate & paid for it in frustration waiting for things to finish |
| [12:29:33] | justinh: | no more! |
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| [12:29:35] | directhex|work: | i like the wife's e6850 |
| [12:29:45] | DGnome: | justinh: larger project? |
| [12:30:01] | DGnome: | justinh: or just private investments? |
| [12:30:03] | justinh: | video editing renders |
| [12:30:08] | mzb_d800: | I'm happy with my AMD choices |
| [12:30:25] | directhex|work: | there are worse cpu choices than amd |
| [12:30:30] | DGnome: | AMD is good, intel just knows how to put sticks in AMD:s wheels :) |
| [12:30:39] | justinh: | directhex|work: yeah and they're all Via |
| [12:30:43] | mzb_d800: | I guess if I had unlimited funds I might consider Intel ... but then I'd probably just go for more AMD CPU's ;) |
| [12:30:45] | directhex|work: | justinh, yes! |
| [12:30:55] | DGnome: | mzb_d800: correctamundo :) |
| [12:30:58] | directhex|work: | justinh, my pico-itx review is close to publication |
| [12:31:28] | DGnome: | mzb_d800: AMD Opterons are btw more energy efficiant than Intel Xeon according to a not so old study |
| [12:31:39] | BobSlob: | directhex|work: is it something we could see coming "down the pipes" or is it due to DRM concerns and such and is never going to happen? |
| [12:31:49] | directhex|work: | DGnome, i'd dispute that as overly simplistic |
| [12:31:53] | justinh: | The best x86 1988 has to offer in a package small enough to fit on the palm of your hand! |
| [12:31:55] | mzb_d800: | I'd love to be running my Xen server on (say) > 4 cores ;) |
| [12:32:29] | mzb_d800: | regardless of the manufacturer |
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| [12:32:41] | DGnome: | directhex|work: I just like to fuel the discussion with that, it can't be that black and white :) |
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| [12:33:38] | directhex|work: | DGnome, RAM's the killer for power consumption between opteron and xeon. and even with that taken into account, the lower power consumption on amds is somewhat offset by the even lower performance |
| [12:33:51] | DGnome: | directhex|work: It was said that due to lesser heat emissions the efficiency can be gained with less cooling of the premises |
| [12:33:56] | DGnome: | directhex|work: yup |
| [12:34:00] | directhex|work: | DGnome, those FB-DIMMS really like juice |
| [12:35:47] | DGnome: | on the desktop market, wolfdale is the most optimal cpu |
| [12:35:53] | DGnome: | afaik |
| [12:36:28] | justinh: | quit yo jibber jabber with these fecking codenames boy |
| [12:36:35] | directhex|work: | lies. via c7 is the most efficient cpu! |
| [12:36:39] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [12:36:49] | DGnome: | justinh: is E8200 better than? |
| [12:36:53] | DGnome: | then.. |
| [12:36:54] | directhex|work: | it's almost 20% more efficient than a full-power pentium-m! |
| [12:37:08] | BobSlob: | Another stupid question... what are the odds of a DLP tv with HDMI inputs NOT supporting HDCP? |
| [12:37:09] | Dagmar: | Just... slow as balls. |
| [12:37:15] | mzb_d800: | I've got a 386SX that I reckon would use less power than all of those ;)) |
| [12:37:18] | justinh: | codenames are just codenames. useless |
| [12:37:22] | DGnome: | BobSlob: 0? |
| [12:37:24] | directhex|work: | BobSlob, practically nil |
| [12:37:25] | Dagmar: | BobSlob: Depends no what year it was made |
| [12:37:37] | justinh: | BobSlob: what does HDCP have to do with linux? |
| [12:38:17] | ** mzb_d800 wonders how all those ppl can fit into BobSlob's mouth ** | |
| [12:38:28] | BobSlob: | justinh: linux? not a lot. mythtv? very much so |
| [12:38:43] | justinh: | BobSlob: mythtv? hdcp? ROFLMFAO |
| [12:38:44] | Dagmar: | Go prod Wikipedia about it |
| [12:38:50] | DGnome: | LOL! :D |
| [12:38:54] | Dagmar: | It explains what sets are bound to have HDCP and why |
| [12:39:20] | BobSlob: | justinh: with hd playback, it has everything to do with mythtv |
| [12:39:46] | ** justinh goes to find the code which says "I'm sorry $user, the file $file cannot be played because of a lack of HDCP support" so he can comment it out ** | |
| [12:39:58] | Dagmar: | Oh you can playback without HDCP |
| [12:40:08] | Dagmar: | You're just supposed to down-mangle the content to 720 |
| [12:40:26] | justinh: | oh yeah that's _right_ ! Mythtv doesn't support HDCP because it doesn't CARE about DRM :) |
| [12:40:34] | Dagmar: | Of course, in HDCP 3.0 software is supposed to just notify the FBI that you're using unapproved equipment. |
| [12:40:37] | Dagmar: | ...and then explode. |
| [12:40:53] | justinh: | Dagmar: explode, taking the bad user out with it |
| [12:41:19] | justinh: | stop the next generation of pirates & wrongdoers at source (i.e. the genepool) |
| [12:41:26] | mzb_d800: | BobSlob: you've probably realised that there are a lot of sarcastic Prima Donna's in this channel ;) |
| [12:41:41] | justinh: | mzb_d800: STFU |
| [12:41:43] | Dagmar: | pfft. I'm no primma donna |
| [12:41:44] | BobSlob: | mzb_d800: it's linux... its a given |
| [12:41:45] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [12:42:11] | at0m|c: | mzb_d800, you recently hinted me to try "rgrep PROTO /var/www/mythweb/*" to solve Database Error on http://backend/mythweb. Got lots of returns, narrowed it down a bit to exclude media files, but don't know what to do with these returns.. |
| [12:43:12] | at0m|c: | would you mind hinting me some more? :] |
| [12:43:23] | justinh: | BobSlob: bottom line is, mythtv doesn't give a shit if your display speaks hdcp or not. just the way it should be |
| [12:43:29] | Dagmar: | [This space intentionall left blank.] |
| [12:43:51] | mzb_d800: | Dagmar: if the dress fits ;P .... I wasn't pointing the stiletto's at anyone in particular ;) |
| [12:43:53] | BobSlob: | justinh: just wondering about bluray playback (if and when it's available) |
| [12:44:11] | justinh: | it's not available without ripping first, as somebody has already said |
| [12:44:23] | BobSlob: | yet... =D |
| [12:44:30] | Daviey: | can blueray be ripped?! |
| [12:44:33] | Daviey: | I didn't know that |
| [12:44:43] | mzb_d800: | at0m|c: thought you had that figured ... err ... all I can remember is that I had to change from 37 to 3900 (or similar) for multirec |
| [12:44:49] | justinh: | when it becomes available I very much doubt that will care much for HDCP bollocks either |
| [12:44:51] | mzb_d800: | either way ...look at the error |
| [12:45:27] | mzb_d800: | you'll probably find a 37 (or 3x) number near proto, where it needs to be something else |
| [12:45:41] | justinh: | they could've solved the problem of DRM by simply never making drives available for PCs, of course :P |
| [12:45:43] | mzb_d800: | iirc, there are only 1 or 2 places it needs to be changed |
| [12:46:11] | at0m|c: | mzb_d800, there's an [..]/mythbackend.php.svn-base: define('MYTH_PROTO_VERSION', 31) |
| [12:46:34] | at0m|c: | has to be higher number? or 3900 specifically? |
| [12:46:47] | mzb_d800: | ok ... "| grep -v svn " (added to the end of the line) |
| [12:47:01] | justinh: | ffs you don't want to go hacking protocol versions. jesus h. christ no |
| [12:47:05] | mzb_d800: | no ... to match the proto used by the version of mythtv YOU are using |
| [12:47:16] | mzb_d800: | (which was in your logs) |
| [12:47:24] | justinh: | just install _the_ _correct_ _version_ _of_ _everything_ |
| [12:47:34] | mzb_d800: | true |
| [12:47:53] | mzb_d800: | there was *some* reason why this wasn't done in the first place |
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| [12:48:49] | at0m|c: | justinh, you suggest i've installed some wrong version (of myth* or apache)? |
| [12:49:19] | justinh: | if anything is reporting a protocol mismatch, it means you've got incompatible mythtv versions going on |
| [12:50:04] | justinh: | like a mythweb too old/new for the version of mythbackend you're running.. etc etc etc |
| [12:51:46] | justinh: | awww still no emails from anybody wanting to take up theme maintenance. I guess they're gonna die after all |
| [12:52:04] | mzb_d800: | dying art? |
| [12:52:13] | at0m|c: | i'm using 0.20.20070821–1 .debs on both backend and frontends.. |
| [12:52:35] | justinh: | and mythweb version? |
| [12:52:58] | justinh: | mzb_d800: killing em off more like |
| [12:53:14] | mzb_d800: | mercy killing? |
| [12:53:30] | mzb_d800: | or pleading insanity? ;)) |
| [12:53:38] | justinh: | more, couldn't give a toss |
| [12:53:48] | mzb_d800: | ah well |
| [12:53:51] | justinh: | you're not funny today, more than usual |
| [12:54:14] | at0m|c: | justinh, right, different version, mythweb_0.20.2.svn20080126–0.0_all.deb |
| [12:54:19] | mzb_d800: | not to worry ... have a cold beer instead |
| [12:54:39] | justinh: | mzb_d800: that's your retarded answer to everything man |
| [12:54:45] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [12:55:10] | justinh: | dahhhnt warry fella, hev anather tinny mayte |
| [12:55:19] | mzb_d800: | can't be bothered wasting my brain cells generating wit for you to digest |
| [12:55:38] | mzb_d800: | but all the best, either way |
| [12:55:57] | justinh: | sanctimonious wanker |
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| [12:56:00] | at0m|c: | you guys having this kind of chats on tea time? |
| [12:56:00] | mzb_d800: | hopefully you'll get you enthusiasm back some other time |
| [12:56:03] | at0m|c: | ehehe |
| [12:56:43] | mzb_d800: | must be that time of the month |
| [12:57:21] | BobSlob: | Anyone tried http://www.decrypthd.org/ ?? |
| [12:57:49] | DGnome: | BobSlob: no none of that here |
| [12:58:11] | BobSlob: | my bad =P |
| [12:58:30] | DGnome: | BobSlob: not even gray-zone stuff allowed here |
| [12:58:31] | mzb_d800: | that's on the (implied) "don't talk about that here" (afaict) |
| [12:58:43] | mzb_d800: | [list] |
| [13:00:35] | BobSlob: | any help in pointing to a "talk about here, we dont care" channel/forum? =D |
| [13:01:24] | mzb_d800: | good luck |
| [13:01:57] | mzb_d800: | that's the best I can suggest :) (apart from the implied "google search";) |
| [13:02:09] | mzb_d800: | but then I know nothing of these things |
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| [13:11:59] | at0m|c: | hm, when installing myth*_0.20.2.svn20080126–0.0_*.deb, mythfrontend --version says Library API version 0.20.20070821–1 |
| [13:12:17] | at0m|c: | so installed package versions are the same, the program versions are not :z |
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| [13:14:45] | mzb_d800: | just means the library it's using is a (little) older than the release date (afaik) |
| [13:14:50] | DGnome: | yes |
| [13:14:54] | DGnome: | no harm there |
| [13:15:35] | mzb_d800: | that's not the issue ... the issue is that the version of mythweb (mythplugins) that you're using is wrong |
| [13:15:51] | blackest: | is there a nice way to tell a backend nobody is watching so stop recording itv3 |
| [13:16:32] | mzb_d800: | highlight recording, press <right>, select "Stop Recording" ? |
| [13:16:51] | blackest: | theres no frontend running |
| [13:17:34] | blackest: | its blinkin obsessed its recording lovejoy now |
| [13:17:52] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [13:18:42] | blackest: | i guess i can do a backend restart |
| [13:19:37] | DGnome: | blackest: mythweb |
| [13:19:57] | DGnome: | blackest: tried that? |
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| [13:23:05] | blackest: | where abouts in mythweb ? |
| [13:23:57] | blackest: | just for future reference a restart cured it |
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| [13:31:44] | DGnome: | mythweb can do anything a frontend can do, allmost |
| [13:31:55] | DGnome: | ie. delete/stop recordings |
| [13:36:46] | blackest: | so if i found it was recording lovejoy i could just tell it to stop, it thought someone was watching live tv |
| [13:38:18] | directhex|work: | wha's wrong with lovejoy? hye makes antique hunting sexy! |
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| [13:39:33] | blackest: | no comment but basically the backend assumed someone was watching tv for 14 hours straight |
| [13:40:21] | blackest: | i think it happened because my eee bombed out |
| [13:40:52] | blackest: | one minute watching tv the next its doing post |
| [13:41:06] | blackest: | i think i over clocked it a bit too much |
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| [13:55:10] | Dagmar: | Overclocking is for people who hate uptime. |
| [13:56:26] | blackest: | well technically overclocking on a eee means getting the cpu running at its designated speed rather than under clocked |
| [13:57:16] | Dagmar: | No, overclocking means running something at a speed higher than _the manufacturer which actually knows about these things_ shipped it running as. |
| [13:57:19] | blackest: | i think its a bios problem which makes them under clock the fsb |
| [13:57:44] | Dagmar: | No, it's not. |
| [13:57:49] | blackest: | the cpu manufacturer is intel :) |
| [13:58:12] | Dagmar: | So? |
| [13:58:28] | blackest: | they said the cpu runs at 900 mhz |
| [13:58:34] | Dagmar: | So? |
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| [13:58:53] | blackest: | so i am clocking it to its designed speed |
| [13:59:15] | blackest: | or undoing the under clocking |
| [13:59:16] | Dagmar: | No, you're not. |
| [13:59:54] | blackest: | then what ? |
| [14:00:09] | Dagmar: | What what? |
| [14:00:28] | Dagmar: | The manufacturer shipped the machine running at a given speed. Full stop. |
| [14:00:44] | Dagmar: | You seem to be listening to the leprechauns telling you what speed it "should" be running at. |
| [14:01:01] | blackest: | he also shipped it with xandros but i put ubuntu on it |
| [14:01:32] | Dagmar: | You have fun with the warranty claims then. |
| [14:02:38] | blackest: | shouldnt do as they actively encourage you to change os |
| [14:03:10] | Dagmar: | The overclocking == void warranty. |
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| [14:04:58] | blackest: | well probably |
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| [14:05:38] | blackest: | although all it is loading a kernel module and running fsb in a terminal and the desired speed |
| [14:06:01] | Dagmar: | You know, there's an old saying that asserts that the most convincing liar is onesself, because one knows what one _wishes_ to believe to be true. |
| [14:06:07] | Dagmar: | ...but you, you're just gullible. |
| [14:06:15] | Dagmar: | Overclocking always voids warranties. |
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| [14:06:21] | blackest: | as it happens my other laptop is currently running at 175 mhz |
| [14:06:39] | blackest: | instead of 1.4 ghz |
| [14:07:31] | blackest: | adjusts to the load runs cooler and probably squeezes some more time out of the battery |
| [14:07:58] | Dagmar: | So what's this got to do with you overclocking something? |
| [14:08:15] | blackest: | i may do a similar thing with the eee i think the processor supports it |
| [14:10:16] | blackest: | any way got to go, work beckons |
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| [14:35:47] | Dibblah: | Overclocking laptops is silly. |
| [14:36:20] | Dibblah: | ... If they're factory underclocked, it's because the cooling system can only cope with a certain load. |
| [14:37:18] | Dagmar: | Or in his case, because the bus has devices on it which can't actually handle the higher front side bus speed. |
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| [14:47:57] | jarle__: | unable to upgrade database schema after upgrading to lastet mythbuntu build: http://pastebin.ca/917574 Any help? |
| [14:48:16] | ** Dagmar points at #Mythbuntu ** | |
| [14:48:26] | ** Dagmar also suggests backing up the database _now_ ** | |
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| [14:50:05] | ** jarle__ has tried #mythbuntu already, AND have my DB backed up... :) ** | |
| [14:51:26] | jarle__: | Dagmar: ...but I'm not sure this has anything to do with myth*buntu* at all... |
| [14:51:51] | Dagmar: | I am . |
| [14:52:09] | jarle__: | Dagmar: known problem? |
| [14:52:13] | Dagmar: | Unless you did something ill-advised, like installed some other version of Myth in there that the MythBuntu devs shipped out. |
| [14:52:30] | Dagmar: | Why the hell do you think I'm telling you to ask the MythBuntu people about it? |
| [14:53:15] | Dagmar: | Either it's a known, or it's something they need to know about. |
| [14:53:57] | Dagmar: | They decided to try to handle db schema upgrades on their own (unless I'm misinterpreting what that pastebin says), so they get to support them or deal with users yelling about it failing. |
| [14:53:59] | jarle__: | Dagmar: actually I was running mythbuntu trunk build, and now apt wanted to install 0.21-fixes instead... |
| [14:54:26] | justinh: | Dagmar: or just fack em off & do your own thing ;) |
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| [14:54:54] | Dagmar: | jarle: epic fail. |
| [14:55:04] | Dagmar: | You really can't _downgrade_ the database. |
| [14:55:42] | Dagmar: | ...and when the hell did 0.21 get a -fixes branch, or even a _release_? |
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| [14:55:55] | jams: | about two weeks ago |
| [14:56:18] | Dagmar: | So 0.21 has had a release then? |
| [14:56:25] | jams: | nope |
| [14:56:50] | jarle__: | Dagmar: "Warning: MythTV wants to upgrade your database schema, from 1209 to 1211." <- This is not a downgrading |
| [14:57:01] | Dagmar: | jarle: Don't care. Talk to #MythBuntu |
| [14:57:03] | justinh: | jumping the shark, not a good idea IMHO |
| [14:57:20] | Dagmar: | You are using devel code. YMMV and it may blow off your fingers. |
| [14:57:39] | justinh: | not worth the hassle if the aim is to get bugs reported earlier |
| [14:57:51] | Dagmar: | When has that ever been people's aim tho |
| [14:58:07] | justinh: | if the kind of people you;re aiming for can't build from source themselves, I doubt their bug reporting will be up to much |
| [14:58:39] | justinh: | Dagmar: one of the 'advantages' cited as the reason for the 'weekly builds' |
| [15:00:56] | Dagmar: | At some point they're probably going to get tired of sifting through the tracker weeding out the Cheetos |
| [15:01:51] | justinh: | leave em to it I say |
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| [15:16:56] | justinh: | ffs still getting way too many hits on the webshite |
| [15:17:37] | clop: | hi, i'm trying to add a second frontend onto my mythtv network... I copied the .mythtv/mysql.txt file over, but when I run mythfrontend I get a lot of errors about "QSqlQuery::exec: database not open" |
| [15:18:05] | ** justinh suggests clop reads the mythtv docs ** | |
| [15:19:31] | justinh: | 1. make sure mysql is network enabled |
| [15:19:33] | clop: | that's a great suggestion, but I don't know where in the documentation I should even begin |
| [15:19:52] | justinh: | 2. make sure the backend is bound to the LAN ip address not 127.0.0.1 |
| [15:20:08] | justinh: | 3. make sure mysql permissions allow connections from other boxes |
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| [15:20:42] | clop: | i know how to do #2 for sure; but i don't really understand mysql |
| [15:21:16] | justinh: | look for 'remote frontend' in the documentation |
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| [15:27:24] | jarle__: | google tells me that I should use "mysql -u mythtv -p 'create database mythconverg'" to recreate mythconverg, is this correct syntax? I just get "ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' to database 'create database mythconverg'" |
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| [15:28:34] | justinh: | maybe I should start running folding@home so I can help the world. I mean if they manage to isolate the 'clueless about mythtv' gene that's got to be better for humanity |
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| [15:46:34] | jams: | jarle__- http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html |
| [15:47:16] | jarle__: | when compiling from svn, plugins, themes and mythtv has to be updated/compiled seperately? There is no make file for them all? |
| [15:47:38] | jams: | there is not |
| [15:47:46] | justinh: | I'd hate to see the configure line for that! |
| [15:48:54] | jams: | it's not like the old days where each plugin had to be configured/compiled seperately. |
| [15:49:38] | justinh: | ahh those were the days |
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| [15:55:09] | jarle__: | jams: your link did not discuss how to create a db... but anyway, I found it somewhere in the wiki... |
| [15:55:24] | justinh: | it's in the docs on mythtv.org |
| [15:55:43] | justinh: | and people wonder why some folks here are always at the point of appoplexy |
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| [16:01:42] | jams: | jarle__- but it did tell you how to create the database. All that info is contained in mc.sql |
| [16:03:47] | jarle__: | jams: oki, this was not a first time installation, I was just restoring a backed up db... thnx for you help. |
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| [16:14:10] | jarle__: | is OpenGL video and OpenGL vsync something I will likely miss if I do not enable this at compiletime? |
| [16:15:51] | hashbang: | jarle__: it's the best way to get frame-accurate syncing |
| [16:17:02] | jarle__: | hashbang: I guess I miss some OpenGL-dev packages, since this is not enabled by default by ./configure.... |
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| [16:26:52] | clop: | hi, still no luck getting the remote frontend to talk to the backend. i went ahead and changed /etc/mysql/my.cnf and removed the bind-address line, and there is no skip-networking line there; i also ran some commands to grant access to the mythconverg table to the 192.168.0.% subnet, but i'm getting the same message, "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'Milawa.local' (using password: YES)... any ideas on what I might have mis |
| [16:26:52] | clop: | sed/ |
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| [16:30:42] | justinh: | is the password correct? ;) |
| [16:31:21] | clop: | i think so; i copied it from the mysql.txt file in the other computer |
| [16:31:24] | clop: | (which works) :) |
| [16:33:10] | jarle__: | clop: try "mysql -u mythtv -p" |
| [16:33:46] | clop: | yeah that lets me in when i give it the same password |
| [16:34:23] | clop: | is there something i can type from the remote one? |
| [16:34:30] | clop: | to try to log into the backend from the frontend, i mean |
| [16:35:12] | jarle__: | clop: "man mysql" (there is a -h argument I think to specify which host to log into...) |
| [16:35:30] | clop: | ah yeah |
| [16:35:34] | clop: | when i do that it rejects my password still |
| [16:38:48] | justinh: | mysql -u $user -p$password -h $host |
| [16:39:25] | jarle__: | clop: I remember having problem with mysql access grants when I first started using myth, I'm not an authority on the subject... |
| [16:39:48] | clop: | i think i only granted access to the mythconverg database, but even when i add that it gives me access denied |
| [16:40:02] | clop: | maybe i need some global table too somewhere |
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| [16:46:01] | clop: | aah |
| [16:46:03] | clop: | i found the problem |
| [16:47:04] | clop: | the documentation here could be much improved: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html |
| [16:47:19] | clop: | by mentioning that "identified by "mythtv"" is assuming that "mythtv" is your password |
| [16:47:33] | clop: | i don't know if anyone can edit that |
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| [16:54:54] | Dagmar: | wiki.mythtv.org. |
| [16:54:56] | Dagmar: | FTW. |
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| [16:58:25] | jams: | clop- blame mysql for that awful syntax. Your point is valid but still blame mysql. |
| [16:58:42] | clop: | i'm not blaming anyone, it was just confusing |
| [16:59:06] | clop: | is there a way to use mplayer instead of the built-in player for recordings? |
| [16:59:17] | justinh: | no |
| [16:59:25] | clop: | (this new frontend is having X Error: BadAlloc's when trying to play them) |
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| [17:08:32] | davez0r: | so... who's the mythtranscode guru around here? |
| [17:09:16] | justinh: | since you're the first person I've seen even mention it today, you are! |
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| [17:15:26] | davez0r: | heh |
| [17:15:51] | davez0r: | well anyway... I record only ATSC digital stuff |
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| [17:16:24] | justinh: | AFAIK the lossless transcode won't work with USA HD yet, if that's what you're wondering |
| [17:16:42] | davez0r: | oh yeah i haven't enabled that yet |
| [17:16:43] | iamlindoro: | it works ok with ATSC |
| [17:16:55] | iamlindoro: | firewire is problematic, but ATSC works pretty well |
| [17:17:04] | davez0r: | but what's going on is... my final files are larger than the originals |
| [17:17:35] | davez0r: | for example, i transcoded a 2 hour show |
| [17:17:39] | davez0r: | 1080i |
| [17:17:50] | davez0r: | that was like 2.5GB? |
| [17:18:00] | justinh: | whoah |
| [17:18:02] | davez0r: | now it is 10GB |
| [17:18:02] | justinh: | is that all? |
| [17:18:18] | davez0r: | what are they usually |
| [17:18:19] | davez0r: | ? |
| [17:18:24] | iamlindoro: | 2.5 would be painfully low bitrate |
| [17:18:29] | davez0r: | i might be thinking of the wrong one |
| [17:18:31] | iamlindoro: | 7–8 GB/hr is the norm |
| [17:18:31] | justinh: | thought it was more like 8GB an hour |
| [17:18:58] | davez0r: | oh you're probably right |
| [17:19:06] | davez0r: | i think it was 7.65 GB |
| [17:19:12] | davez0r: | for a 1 hour show |
| [17:19:27] | davez0r: | anyway, after a transcode it is larger |
| [17:19:45] | davez0r: | and mythbackend even shows me this |
| [17:19:53] | iamlindoro: | So you have your bitrates set too high in the transcode profiles |
| [17:19:55] | davez0r: | 7.65 GB => 28GB |
| [17:20:04] | davez0r: | that's what i thought |
| [17:20:14] | davez0r: | so, i set it to 3000 |
| [17:20:37] | davez0r: | btw, what is ATSC 1080i mpeg2 normally? |
| [17:20:52] | iamlindoro: | 18 Mbit max |
| [17:20:53] | PatrickDK: | atsc is 8.7gigs per hour |
| [17:21:08] | iamlindoro: | PatrickDK, it varies greatly |
| [17:21:17] | davez0r: | yeah- is it constant? |
| [17:21:18] | PatrickDK: | depending on how much it uses |
| [17:21:26] | justinh: | davez0r: no it isn't constant |
| [17:21:26] | PatrickDK: | but 19.5mbit max, would be 8.7g |
| [17:21:43] | davez0r: | ahh ok, interesting |
| [17:22:07] | PatrickDK: | they can have 5 channels per stream, so one channel might not use the whole 19.5mbit |
| [17:22:21] | justinh: | silly sausages |
| [17:22:27] | davez0r: | so when you guys transcode 1080i to mpeg4, what bitrate do u use? and do you resize? I wanted to avoid that |
| [17:22:47] | PatrickDK: | I don't resize\ |
| [17:22:54] | justinh: | transcoding is a waste of time, and archiving TV is a waste of space IMHO so I'll be of no help! |
| [17:22:59] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Why_MythTV_Sucks |
| [17:23:00] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [17:23:19] | ** iamlindoro goes to write the "Why MythTV Sucks Guy Can Blow Me" article ** | |
| [17:23:41] | justinh: | which arsehole penned that? |
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| [17:23:53] | iamlindoro: | Some cockcsucker from the users list |
| [17:24:21] | davez0r: | lol |
| [17:25:11] | justinh: | iamlindoro: and all this is meant to inspire developers to fix stuff HOW?! |
| [17:25:33] | justinh: | I mean, as opposed to pissing people off so much they just give up & say "fuck you" to all the users? ;) |
| [17:25:43] | iamlindoro: | justinh, By being a feature wishlist... only ruder! |
| [17:25:48] | davez0r: | for real. if it sucks, go commit a fix |
| [17:26:14] | iamlindoro: | Well, people like this are exactly the reason not just anyone *can* commit a fix |
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| [17:26:37] | justinh: | I don't even know where to begin on how wrong that wiki page is |
| [17:27:01] | davez0r: | so you guys don't transcode at all then is what i'm hearing? |
| [17:27:18] | justinh: | well, it's a wiki. we can edit |
| [17:27:57] | Dagmar: | "Six button remote not enough" <--- so tempted to set him straight |
| [17:28:19] | justinh: | should ban their sorry arses |
| [17:28:35] | iamlindoro: | davez0r, Not so. Lots of us transcode, but there are lots of methods... I personally use a user job |
| [17:29:02] | justinh: | not "hey could you please consider improving.. " it's "that thing you spend a lot of your free time working on is shit" |
| [17:29:03] | iamlindoro: | tempted to put the page on my watchlist to enjoy the upcoming flamewar |
| [17:30:18] | PatrickDK: | so who has a 6 button remote? |
| [17:30:28] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Why_MythTV_Users_Suck |
| [17:30:31] | PatrickDK: | I can't think of a time a 6 button remote ever existed |
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| [17:30:38] | justinh: | PatrickDK: mac |
| [17:30:43] | PatrickDK: | mac? |
| [17:30:51] | justinh: | yeah the mac remote |
| [17:30:53] | justinh: | 6 buttons |
| [17:30:54] | PatrickDK: | heh, even 30year old tv's come with 17button remotes |
| [17:31:51] | davez0r: | lindoro: so you don't use the mythtranscode to compress? can you point me to anything about what command you're using in your user job |
| [17:31:54] | davez0r: | ? |
| [17:31:58] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg |
| [17:32:11] | davez0r: | oh ok |
| [17:32:13] | justinh: | those guys have got to be kidding. from now on you can count on getting NO SUPPORT FROM ME YOU FUCKING UNGRATEFUL BASTARDS |
| [17:32:15] | iamlindoro: | but that requires you to learn ffmpeg syntax |
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| [17:32:43] | davez0r: | well that was a dramatic /part |
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| [17:33:53] | davez0r: | just post on that wiki page: "don't like it? go buy a TiVo, and enjoy your monthly subscription and non-fair-use resrictions" |
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| [17:42:00] | cout: | looks like it was deleted |
| [17:43:08] | iamlindoro: | what? that page? Appears to still be there for me |
| [17:43:39] | cout: | or maybe it was never there — referring to justinh's url |
| [17:43:51] | iamlindoro: | ah, hah, yes, he was kidding |
| [17:44:20] | cout: | remind me to spend some time recalibrating my sense of humor |
| [17:48:39] | jams: | no need it wasn't funny |
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| [17:54:35] | justinh: | well, if you can't find the right words to use to reply to a ML post, don't reply. that's what I reckon. I don't think I'll be using my commit privs anymore if that's going to be the way people go about getting 'improvements' sorted out |
| [17:57:07] | Dagmar: | THere has to be a lolcatism to follow my comment on that page, but I can't think of it. |
| [17:57:18] | Dagmar: | Something like LRN2DESIGNUIS |
| [17:58:39] | justinh: | criticism is one thing. 'why mythtv sucks' ? I'll be handing in my commit privileges. they're not needed here |
| [17:59:15] | justinh: | the community is in a hellish state if things have come to such negativity so close to a release |
| [17:59:19] | Dagmar: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:Why_MythTV_Sucks |
| [18:00:05] | Dagmar: | Don't let the tards get you down. |
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| [18:00:18] | ben_: | you get that with everything tho |
| [18:00:29] | justinh: | does that make it right? |
| [18:00:36] | ben_: | "wah wah it doesn't do what i want" |
| [18:00:47] | Dagmar: | No, it means you better start living underground if you want to avoid all the shortbus riders on the internet man. |
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| [18:01:09] | ben_: | "i can't be bothered to submit a feature request/file a bug report/code a patch so therefore it sucks" |
| [18:01:13] | Dagmar: | I'm sure someone will accuse me of having a "bad attitude" for ever implying there was anything wrong with lamerboy's "six buttons uber alles" idea |
| [18:02:24] | Dagmar: | ...but that person is probably wearing a padded helmet, so their opinion doesn't really count for much. |
| [18:02:34] | Hoxzer: | Is it possible to add two actions in one menu entry ? for example "EXEC wcmtrl -a mythfrontend" and "TV_PROGRAM_GUIDE" |
| [18:02:48] | justinh: | even after all this time I still can't take it. If you can't stand the heat... |
| [18:02:49] | Dagmar: | Doubtful. |
| [18:03:09] | Dagmar: | You could always, hint hint, write a small shell script that performs both actions and call _it_ instead. |
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| [18:03:30] | Dagmar: | justinh: If you can't stand the heat, learn to enjoy watching people about to burn themselves to death. ;) |
| [18:03:54] | justinh: | putting stuff like that in the wiki is just bad blood |
| [18:04:20] | justinh: | about as 'funny' as the imaginary URL I posted |
| [18:04:20] | Dagmar: | Don't worry about it. It's looking like a perfectly good place to quietly ridicule some of these broken ideas once and for all. |
| [18:04:38] | iamlindoro: | Wow, Xbox 360 HD-DVD $50 now |
| [18:05:04] | justinh: | I supose I have a funny way of showing I could no longer give a shit eh? |
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| [18:07:20] | justinh: | humans. can't live with em... |
| [18:08:43] | Dagmar: | We could eventually rename it to "The Page of Broken Dreams". ;) |
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| [18:21:16] | ** cesman ponders what is the use of having a menu entry that is displayed in the frontend that runs the frontend again?! ** | |
| [18:22:42] | Dagmar: | huh? |
| [18:25:40] | phatmonkey: | cesman: you mean mythwelcome? |
| [18:47:11] | cesman: | phatmonkey: no, I do not |
| [18:47:14] | cesman: | [10:01] <Hoxzer> Is it possible to add two actions in one menu entry ? for example "EXEC wcmtrl -a mythfrontend" and "TV_PROGRAM_GUIDE" |
| [18:47:22] | cesman: | that was what I was referring to... |
| [18:50:17] | Hoxzer: | ... |
| [18:50:24] | Hoxzer: | wmctrl -a ... focuses the window |
| [18:50:35] | Hoxzer: | wmctrl -a mythfrontend -> focuses mythfrontend window |
| [18:55:16] | Ribs: | wmctrl rocks |
| [18:57:06] | cesman: | still doesn't answer the question for me... |
| [18:57:42] | cesman: | I'd hardly state a WM rocks id you have to call a script from within a program to give that program focus... |
| [18:57:53] | cesman: | but to each his own.... |
| [18:58:03] | Ribs: | heh |
| [18:58:11] | cesman: | later folks |
| [18:58:16] | Ribs: | I found it very helpfull getting snes9x to work well on my mythtv setup |
| [18:58:33] | Ribs: | it resizes the window for me to fill the screen. Handy on the PS3 I have set-up |
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| [19:10:25] | justinh: | so the wiki has another /dev/null. well, at least it won't be my time that's wasted |
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| [19:14:07] | pwnguin: | so how do i get the games to show up by filetype? |
| [19:14:17] | pwnguin: | i tried *.smc and just .smc |
| [19:14:44] | jams: | phatmonkey- mind a pm ? |
| [19:16:57] | GreyFoxx: | pwnguin: just put in 'smc' no need for the wilcard or leading . |
| [19:17:03] | pwnguin: | ah |
| [19:18:07] | phatmonkey: | jams: nope...? |
| [19:20:43] | justinh: | Dagmar: just came up with another tack... "This program is distributed in the hope that it will useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for more details." |
| [19:23:39] | siXy: | 'requests for support are at the peril of the user' |
| [19:25:15] | Daviey: | chaps.. http://daviey.mooo.com/out.ogg -> Idea for a funkier UI, comments? |
| [19:25:38] | justinh: | yeah I have a comment. just write off mythui before it's even finished eh? |
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| [19:36:33] | iamlindoro: | I think you hurt his feelings |
| [19:37:47] | justinh: | I have it on good authority the new ui stuff is in hand – in good hands too |
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| [19:41:57] | justinh: | with all this posturing though, one could fear for the future of the project if it didn't just wash over the people who really do all the work |
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| [20:08:09] | squidly: | does mythtv run the user jobs on a recoarding first or second? |
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| [20:17:27] | iamlindoro: | User jobs come second |
| [20:18:15] | iamlindoro: | presuming you have commflagging/internal transcode set up to run automatically, that is |
| [20:18:32] | squidly: | iamlindoro: ok I'm not sure if I have them setup to do that |
| [20:18:46] | squidly: | I want to transcode the files to remove comercials |
| [20:18:53] | iamlindoro: | By default, all recordings get commflagged |
| [20:19:20] | iamlindoro: | transcodes have to be set manually. If you want to automatically remove commercials, you need to script it as a user job. There are several examples in the wiki |
| [20:19:31] | iamlindoro: | "automatically Remove Commericals" is a good place to start |
| [20:19:38] | iamlindoro: | er commercials |
| [20:19:38] | squidly: | iamlindoro: that is what I'm was trying to do |
| [20:19:45] | squidly: | and I wanna reencode it to be smaller |
| [20:19:53] | iamlindoro: | then check the wiki, you will need to script it |
| [20:20:31] | iamlindoro: | But there are three examples I know if in the wiki for just that |
| [20:21:17] | squidly: | yea I saw that. I will be checking it out and look around on the wiki |
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| [20:27:18] | justinh: | mythtv.org seems to be down again :-\ |
| [20:27:33] | iamlindoro: | I've got a wiki page you can complain about that on ;) |
| [20:31:28] | noclue: | i have a question that i haven't really been able to find an appropriate answer for on the forums or google. I have Charter Digital Cable. No HD package as I don't really care about HD. I have a Hauppauge PVR-150MCE on the way, and I'm curious as to whether that card will work properly with the Charter Digital Cable service. I've heard the term "Digital Cable" thrown around quite a bit in the forum, and not sure I understand th |
| [20:32:39] | armbar: | is there a plugin to get mythgallery to show up in mythweb? |
| [20:32:52] | xris: | no |
| [20:33:00] | justinh: | noclue: if your cable provider is digital, all your pvr150 is good for will be capturing from the provided set top box |
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| [20:33:08] | xris: | well, not anymore/yet. there will probably be one in .22 again |
| [20:33:14] | armbar: | ok |
| [20:33:28] | justinh: | noclue: and you'll need some means for mythtv to change channels on the STB |
| [20:33:32] | armbar: | new I had seen it before |
| [20:33:49] | xris: | armbar: there are a couple of patch sets listed in trac, but we don't have enough time before .21 is released to verify them and get them integrated properly |
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| [20:35:57] | lanuser: | noclue Charter Digital Cable is a sham |
| [20:36:26] | noclue: | justinh: That's the only purpose I need it for is watching Cable TV from the STB. Are there other uses for it? |
| [20:36:44] | noclue: | lanuser: maybe so, but that's all i can get in my area. care to explain? |
| [20:36:45] | lanuser: | you can still get service straight out of the coax coming from outside, except for the really high channel number maybe |
| [20:36:46] | justinh: | noclue: not if you only have digital cable, no |
| [20:36:56] | lanuser: | noclue where do you live? |
| [20:37:05] | noclue: | lanuser: michigan |
| [20:37:22] | lanuser: | AT&T u-verse hasn't swept through there yet eh? |
| [20:37:35] | noclue: | not that i'm aware of |
| [20:37:51] | noclue: | it is entirely possible i suppose. i'm not really a TV fanatic |
| [20:38:09] | noclue: | just want to be able to record my shows for later viewing. ;) |
| [20:38:11] | lanuser: | you should check into it, I just switched from Charter to u-verse and the PVR-150 PVR blaster works just fine with the AT&T u-verse box |
| [20:38:39] | noclue: | ah, so that's the problem with the charter boxes? IR blasting does not work properly? |
| [20:38:51] | noclue: | i wonder what a guy like me is supposed to do... |
| [20:39:10] | iamlindoro: | ir blasting works fine on Charter boxes |
| [20:39:30] | lanuser: | noclue no, I'm sure it would work fine too, but you don't need it with Charter, just plug the coax directly into your PVR-150 and forget the cable box |
| [20:40:34] | noclue: | really? will that provide me with access to the same channels i get on my box? |
| [20:40:52] | justinh: | noclue: it'll get you any analogue on the cable. if indeed there still is any. |
| [20:41:36] | lanuser: | noclue do you get any premium channels? or do you watch channels with number over 120? |
| [20:41:45] | noclue: | yes |
| [20:41:58] | noclue: | hbo, cinemax, starts, etc. |
| [20:42:22] | lanuser: | you'll probably need the cable box for those, but give it a try just using your TV without a cablebox, you might be suprised |
| [20:42:24] | noclue: | stars* |
| [20:43:55] | noclue: | okay. well, i'm not really concerned about the box, i can get another one for the room my setup will be in. i was more concerned with whether having the 150 will allow me to watch/record said channels. discovery, the premiums, military, history, VH1, etc etc |
| [20:44:13] | noclue: | or if i would need a card with "digital" capabilities |
| [20:44:40] | justinh: | noclue: any digital content is more than likely encrypted anyway |
| [20:44:42] | iamlindoro: | noclue, getting a digital tuner would give you, in all liklihood, few channels. |
| [20:44:57] | iamlindoro: | since you would be limited to unencrypted only, which for most people is just local and network TV |
| [20:45:20] | justinh: | vh1 is a 'premium' channel over there? lol |
| [20:45:21] | iamlindoro: | the only way you will get all your channels is via analog. Which is a shame because digital quality is remarkable, but that's the way it goes. |
| [20:45:46] | noclue: | ouch. even running through the STB i will be limited to local and network channels? |
| [20:46:00] | iamlindoro: | with a *digital* tuner, yes, and you wouldn't use a STB in that case |
| [20:46:12] | justinh: | noclue: no. you'll get everything the STB gets because you'd be grabbing the STB output |
| [20:46:13] | iamlindoro: | analog through the STB will allow you to watch and record all your channels. |
| [20:46:13] | noclue: | justinh: hehe no it's not, i was just listing all the channels i watch |
| [20:46:41] | noclue: | okay, excellent |
| [20:47:14] | noclue: | i feel much better. sorry for all the amateurish questions, but thanks a ton for the friendly answers. |
| [20:47:17] | justinh: | anyway, gonna scoot off & walk the dog. try to put some distance between me & the absolute frigging abortion the community is turning into |
| [20:47:40] | _gunni_: | Hi here. Maybe most here know mythvideo. Is it possible or some module for the same functionality, but in backend, so i can stream them to different frontends? |
| [20:48:03] | justinh: | _gunni_: in a word, no |
| [20:48:08] | iamlindoro: | mythvideo to multiple frontends requires that you chare and mount the video directories with NFS or SAMBA |
| [20:48:10] | iamlindoro: | er share |
| [20:48:29] | _gunni_: | thx, thats a clear answer |
| [20:48:29] | justinh: | until mythvideo, mythmusic et al get upnp functionality, that's a big nonoonononononono :) |
| [20:48:55] | justinh: | it's only as far away as a patch for it landing in trac |
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| [20:49:28] | noclue: | thanks again guys... wish me luck |
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| [21:08:42] | Smirnov: | is 100mbps cat5 enough to stream HD quality to my media pc? |
| [21:08:49] | GreyFoxx: | Easilty |
| [21:08:51] | PatrickDK: | sure |
| [21:08:55] | GreyFoxx: | you could do several streams |
| [21:09:14] | Smirnov: | i have an amd athlon 64 3500+ but it seems to be having problems playing back HD, i get audio desync :-\ |
| [21:09:43] | ben_: | mmm, these 'missing' recordings are really confuddling me |
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| [21:12:35] | Smirnov: | thats not too slow for decoding HD is it? |
| [21:12:52] | PatrickDK: | probably is |
| [21:13:05] | iamlindoro: | "decoding HD" is like the term "playing games"... what codec? What resolution? What bitrate? |
| [21:14:25] | directhex: | 3500+ is single-core, ~2ghz |
| [21:14:33] | directhex: | so it ain't gonna do h264 |
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| [21:14:45] | iamlindoro: | eg, it *may* be possible to do MPEG-2 broadcast bitrates, but not much more |
| [21:14:47] | Smirnov: | h264 is it but i was having trouble looking up the res and bitrate |
| [21:14:57] | Smirnov: | directhex: why not, how fast do you need to do h264 |
| [21:15:00] | directhex: | MOAR MHZ |
| [21:15:03] | iamlindoro: | Smirnov, *fast* |
| [21:15:05] | directhex: | Smirnov, add a core |
| [21:15:25] | pwnguin: | heh |
| [21:15:30] | pwnguin: | that should be plenty fast for hd |
| [21:15:30] | directhex: | Smirnov, 1.8ghz core2 duo is a good ballpark for decoding broadcast-grade h264 hd, without culling image quality |
| [21:15:36] | Smirnov: | heh i wonder if it would bebetter with windows? i have a geforce 6800 in there' |
| [21:15:44] | directhex: | Smirnov, agp or pcie? |
| [21:15:47] | Smirnov: | agp |
| [21:16:06] | pwnguin: | Smirnov: which program are you using? mplayer? |
| [21:16:11] | Smirnov: | pwnguin: yep |
| [21:16:12] | directhex: | well, buying a codec like coreavc might help. you don't get gpu-based h264 decoding in windows on your setup |
| [21:16:24] | pwnguin: | Smirnov: which video output method? |
| [21:16:30] | Smirnov: | pwnguin: dvi |
| [21:16:33] | pwnguin: | ... |
| [21:16:37] | pwnguin: | xv? |
| [21:16:40] | pwnguin: | opengl? |
| [21:16:48] | Smirnov: | oh i think its xv, let me check |
| [21:16:54] | pwnguin: | i just set up mythbuntu |
| [21:17:04] | pwnguin: | and it's playing some Darker Than Black at mega high res just fine |
| [21:17:53] | pwnguin: | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ |
| [21:17:55] | pwnguin: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV36.2 [GeForce FX 5700] |
| [21:18:02] | directhex: | pwnguin, broadcast grade hd? |
| [21:18:20] | pwnguin: | 1280x720 |
| [21:18:25] | directhex: | pwnguin, no, then |
| [21:18:26] | pwnguin: | i thought there was some even higher stuff |
| [21:18:31] | directhex: | pwnguin, stop muddying the water with warez |
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| [21:18:38] | pwnguin: | what? |
| [21:18:40] | iamlindoro: | directhex, is absolutely correct... |
| [21:18:54] | Smirnov: | hmm is there any way to check my mplayer arguments without going to the graphical menu on the media pc itself (via ssh) |
| [21:19:03] | directhex: | pwnguin, if http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/ isn't silky smooth, your reports are worthless |
| [21:19:04] | iamlindoro: | a 2.2 Ghz single core machine has no chance of playing Hi-def h.264 at anything but the most unwatchable of bitrates |
| [21:19:16] | pwnguin: | directhex: thanks for the benchmark link |
| [21:19:19] | directhex: | iamlindoro, ...with libavcodec |
| [21:19:54] | iamlindoro: | directhex, Even with CoreAVC, I doubt you could get anything serviceable out of that machine at @18ish Mbit |
| [21:20:17] | pwnguin: | hmm. i thought it was 1920x1200 but i appear to have been mistaken. i'll see about testing that ;) |
| [21:20:29] | iamlindoro: | 6–10 Mbit, maybe, but a full channel bandwidth? Doubtful on that system |
| [21:20:44] | Smirnov: | is there a command line tool that dumps the bitrate etc |
| [21:20:52] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg -i myfile |
| [21:20:56] | directhex: | iamlindoro, not having bought coreavc, i haven't got any first-hand experience with it |
| [21:21:19] | iamlindoro: | directhex, I tried it once, the speedup isn't worth the cost |
| [21:21:35] | Smirnov: | it says bitrate: n/a ? |
| [21:21:42] | iamlindoro: | ah, a MKV |
| [21:21:43] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [21:21:47] | Smirnov: | aye |
| [21:21:51] | iamlindoro: | Warezzzzzzzzzzzz |
| [21:22:30] | Smirnov: | i was watching a lost episode that i forgot to record |
| [21:22:52] | pwnguin: | i just like softsubs. easier to configure for various resolutions ;) |
| [21:22:54] | iamlindoro: | Lemme guess, about 1.07 GB? |
| [21:23:01] | Smirnov: | iamlindoro: yep |
| [21:23:12] | iamlindoro: | If it's an hourlong show @ 1.07 GB, that's about 3 Mbit |
| [21:23:29] | Smirnov: | 42 mins |
| [21:23:32] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [21:23:35] | iamlindoro: | 3 Mbitish |
| [21:23:53] | iamlindoro: | ~2.8–3.1 or so for shows that long and that size |
| [21:24:07] | Smirnov: | so where does that # come in with my CPU spec? |
| [21:24:13] | directhex: | iamlindoro, you'll know this. can i put multiple audio streams in an mp4? |
| [21:24:23] | iamlindoro: | directhex, Yeah |
| [21:24:53] | directhex: | iamlindoro, tried those files on non-pc boxes, e.g. the modern consoles? |
| [21:25:13] | directhex: | Smirnov, 3mbit, as compared to 18mbit (of an extra cpu-hungry variant) used for broadcast |
| [21:25:14] | iamlindoro: | MP4 with multiple audio streams? |
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| [21:25:18] | stowaway-atwork: | yo yo |
| [21:25:21] | directhex: | iamlindoro, yes |
| [21:25:28] | iamlindoro: | directhex, Hmm... no, haven't tried |
| [21:25:32] | Smirnov: | directhex: aha. so should my cpu be fast enough to play 3mbps? |
| [21:26:13] | iamlindoro: | Smirnov, I really doubt it, or it's be cutting it awful close. but you'll have the best chance by adding -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=all to your mplayer arguments |
| [21:26:19] | iamlindoro: | er it'll |
| [21:26:29] | iamlindoro: | If it play, it'll *barely* squeak by |
| [21:26:32] | iamlindoro: | play |
| [21:26:33] | iamlindoro: | plays |
| [21:26:37] | iamlindoro: | dangit, hehe |
| [21:26:58] | Smirnov: | iamlindoro: hmm, what does t |
| [21:27:01] | Smirnov: | that do? |
| [21:27:05] | stowaway-atwork: | If I install something by make and make install ect. how do i uninstall it? |
| [21:27:12] | iamlindoro: | make uninstall |
| [21:27:16] | directhex: | Smirnov, hit the url above. download the bbc.hd.ts file. when that plays smoothly without pegging your cpu at 100%, you're ready for "real" hd |
| [21:27:31] | iamlindoro: | Smirnov, turns off all postprocessing, more or less |
| [21:27:51] | stowaway-atwork: | ahh |
| [21:27:55] | stowaway-atwork: | shit so eas |
| [21:27:56] | stowaway-atwork: | y |
| [21:27:59] | Smirnov: | directhex: real HD? |
| [21:28:01] | iamlindoro: | you may need to use -framedrop also |
| [21:28:08] | directhex: | Smirnov, as opposed to toy bitrate warez hd |
| [21:28:22] | pwnguin: | works for anime well enough ;) |
| [21:28:47] | iamlindoro: | Smirnov, as in, the better/harder to play HD broadcasts used in The Europes and the Iraqs and the not Americas |
| [21:29:01] | Smirnov: | iamlindoro: oh sorry in live in USA heh |
| [21:29:11] | iamlindoro: | Smirnov, so do I, our HD standard stinks |
| [21:29:16] | Smirnov: | the HD i get over cable is pretty crappy, i was watching Atlantis and there were artifacts all over the place |
| [21:29:35] | Smirnov: | i wonder if its just scifihd sucking or me watching HD on demand while the show was recording |
| [21:29:35] | pwnguin: | our HD standard seems mostly intended to drive poor people to cable |
| [21:29:43] | stowaway-atwork: | im trying to install mythtv by source. but getting database errors.. if im using ubuntu do i follow the debian instructions to initilise the data base (as there arent ubuntu instructions) |
| [21:30:09] | pwnguin: | and to resell the spectrum previously allocated to over the air transmissions |
| [21:30:11] | GreyFoxx: | fg |
| [21:30:16] | iamlindoro: | stowaway-atwork, the database init (ie mysql -u root < mc.sql) is the same for all distros |
| [21:30:26] | directhex: | Smirnov, US HD uses the same codec as DVD. 6–7 times the resolution, twice the bitrate. spot the problem? |
| [21:30:40] | Smirnov: | directhex: mpeg2 sucks? |
| [21:30:41] | stowaway-atwork: | its slightly different... debian is mysql < mc.sql |
| [21:31:04] | directhex: | Smirnov, mpeg2 is a bit old, certainly |
| [21:31:04] | stowaway-atwork: | but ill just do what u said. |
| [21:31:08] | stowaway-atwork: | thanks |
| [21:31:16] | Smirnov: | wait doesnt that make warez-quality hd better than cable hd? |
| [21:31:28] | iamlindoro: | Smirnov, No. Not in the least |
| [21:31:34] | pwnguin: | Smirnov: where do you think it came from? |
| [21:31:38] | directhex: | Smirnov, 3mbit h264 versus 18mbit mpeg2? no |
| [21:31:39] | iamlindoro: | Cable HD is up to 19ish Mbit |
| [21:31:47] | Smirnov: | pwnguin: europe i hope? lol |
| [21:32:07] | directhex: | about 50% quality, best case |
| [21:32:44] | Smirnov: | whats the deal with that h264 samples page? all i see is static images |
| [21:32:57] | pwnguin: | .ts? |
| [21:33:02] | Smirnov: | png |
| [21:33:16] | directhex: | try the 19 meg files |
| [21:33:18] | pwnguin: | im guessing it's some sort of comparison or illustrative example of how something sucks |
| [21:33:30] | Smirnov: | oh all right |
| [21:33:32] | directhex: | i.e. bbc.hd.ts |
| [21:33:44] | iamlindoro: | BBC HD makes our cable look really embarassing |
| [21:34:00] | Smirnov: | hmm now i just *have* to compare the two |
| [21:34:13] | directhex: | the samples are a typical example of what's flying through the sky as we speak |
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| [21:35:27] | iamlindoro: | Looking at BBC HD samples I was reminded how nice it is to see film grain instead of macroblocks |
| [21:36:13] | pwnguin: | indeed. its hardly worth the monocle polish to watch slovenly american broadcasting anymore |
| [21:36:20] | iamlindoro: | Also calls to your attention how much smoothing is done to mitigate compression artifacts, making your video look like an Elizibeth Taylor makeup ad |
| [21:36:26] | Smirnov: | is bbc-hd supposed to be better than sm-hd |
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| [21:37:00] | pwnguin: | 1440x1080? |
| [21:37:00] | iamlindoro: | Student Monitor Help Desk? |
| [21:37:18] | PatrickDK: | hmm I get no video with atre.hd.ts |
| [21:37:19] | Smirnov: | http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/force.php?file=. . . . hd.h.264.png |
| [21:37:23] | PatrickDK: | but I do with the others |
| [21:37:25] | Smirnov: | http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/force.php?file=. . . . hd.h.264.png |
| [21:37:49] | iamlindoro: | BBC-HD = 1920x1080 h.264 @ 19.5 Mbit, AC-3 audio... Pretty much the best broadcast HD in the world, currently. |
| [21:38:09] | Smirnov: | my eyes have been polluted by crappy HD that i cant really tell why its better in those 2 images |
| [21:38:33] | Smirnov: | there seems to be more specks on her legs in the SM-HD though |
| [21:38:40] | iamlindoro: | Only way to beat that quality is a Blu-ray or HD-DVD disk (where the bitrate rises to max 40 Mbit) |
| [21:39:01] | Smirnov: | mmmm....bluray . too bad it doesnt play on linux |
| [21:39:40] | directhex: | iamlindoro, is it me, or in those images, is sky movies applying post-process sharpening? |
| [21:39:46] | Smirnov: | is it possible to edit MythVideo settings from the shell somewhere btw? i wanted to try those mplayer arguments but im afraid i will typo it if i go to the TV |
| [21:40:09] | iamlindoro: | directhex, I think it's a fair bet... they probably did their own telecine too, as I'm not 100% sure there is a remastered HD source |
| [21:40:24] | iamlindoro: | Smirnov, well, it plays if you rip it first and compile your own mplayer |
| [21:40:45] | Smirnov: | iamlindoro: rip it first? |
| [21:40:47] | directhex: | iamlindoro, i swear i see telltale signs of Sharpen |
| [21:40:54] | iamlindoro: | directhex, I think so |
| [21:41:01] | ben_: | iamlindoro: bbc hd samples? |
| [21:41:13] | ben_: | is there a url or something? |
| [21:41:25] | iamlindoro: | Smirnov, yup, need to rip the movies to play them, can't play them off the disk. But once ripped, and with appropriately patched mplayer (and a super-beefy processor) they play fine |
| [21:41:38] | iamlindoro: | ben_, The x264.nl link above has some |
| [21:41:39] | Smirnov: | that is most unfortunate |
| [21:42:08] | iamlindoro: | http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/ |
| [21:42:46] | ben_: | ta |
| [21:43:06] | iamlindoro: | directhex, What bothers me are the "HD Movie" channels I get where it's clearly an SD source that's been upscaled (by expensive upscalers, but still) |
| [21:43:28] | iamlindoro: | directhex, Then you get the numbskulls distributing that stuff on the internet as "HD" |
| [21:43:36] | directhex: | iamlindoro, i'm sick of people talking about fucking upscalers |
| [21:43:55] | iamlindoro: | directhex, agreed, this is *not* CSI |
| [21:44:00] | directhex: | iamlindoro, i found worse... i pirated a show from skyhd. it was sub-sd resolution. the twats had downscaled it for bittorrentage |
| [21:44:01] | iamlindoro: | "Can you enhance that" |
| [21:44:47] | iamlindoro: | *sigh* |
| [21:44:58] | pwnguin: | man, im glad i dont have an expensive tv |
| [21:45:01] | iamlindoro: | And all this talk that downloadable HD will replace disks |
| [21:45:01] | directhex: | iamlindoro, filename ends with ".Part.1.HDTV.XviD-SFM.avi" |
| [21:45:05] | directhex: | Stream #0.0: Video: mpeg4, yuv420p, 608x336, 25.00 fps(r) |
| [21:45:05] | pwnguin: | it sounds like you have all sorts of problems using it ;) |
| [21:45:14] | directhex: | pwnguin, xbox. |
| [21:45:23] | iamlindoro: | ewwww |
| [21:45:31] | iamlindoro: | @ 608x336 |
| [21:45:35] | directhex: | iamlindoro, i know! |
| [21:45:41] | pwnguin: | xvid |
| [21:45:44] | pwnguin: | thats your first hint |
| [21:45:51] | AndyCap: | 1080i in glorious least-common-denominator-o-vision |
| [21:46:04] | directhex: | pwnguin, Via believe people use xvid for hd! |
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| [21:46:43] | pwnguin: | ? |
| [21:46:45] | iamlindoro: | Sadly, there are *plenty* of people out there who think a 1 GB download of a movie at 720p is the same thing as a 30 GB movie at 1080p |
| [21:47:04] | iamlindoro: | "My system plays HD fine!!" |
| [21:47:14] | ** iamlindoro wants to smack those people ** | |
| [21:47:27] | directhex: | pwnguin, the gpu acceleration on unichrome chips advertises "mpeg4" ability. except only mpeg4 part 2 (xvid), not part 10 (h264) |
| [21:47:36] | cafuego: | my system *does* play those file |
| [21:47:38] | pwnguin: | oh |
| [21:47:51] | cafuego: | Just takes a week to download and it needs to scale it ;-) |
| [21:47:59] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [21:48:42] | directhex: | shhh, he's here, shut up now |
| [21:48:54] | ** cafuego elbows directhex ** | |
| [21:48:59] | justinh: | so I'm bad, I read a bit of log.... but hey I found something interesting re the difference betwixt Sky HD & BBC HD |
| [21:49:13] | justinh: | the BBC one has been softened |
| [21:49:38] | directhex: | justinh, as opposed to the sky one sharpened? knew there was a difference |
| [21:49:54] | Smirnov: | ok i added |
| [21:50:02] | justinh: | it's only really obvious if you put both images into an editor as layers & do a difference :) |
| [21:50:04] | Smirnov: | the -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=all and it seems much much better now |
| [21:50:20] | justinh: | and then the difference isn't all that plain |
| [21:50:24] | Smirnov: | iamlindoro: thanksfor the suggestion :) |
| [21:50:33] | justinh: | there's a smidge of edge sharpening on the Sky sample too |
| [21:50:40] | iamlindoro: | Smirnov, good, glad that helped, np |
| [21:51:34] | justinh: | oh not forgetting some nasty blocking on the Sky sample aswell |
| [21:51:40] | iamlindoro: | I love the -lavdopts fast option... makes it seem like mplayer has an "easy button." |
| [21:51:51] | Smirnov: | iamlindoro: now i need to go test this extensively like how crappy the quality will be for other non HD sources |
| [21:51:56] | iamlindoro: | like, don't forget to set mplayer to "fast!" |
| [21:52:13] | directhex: | iamlindoro, remember when computers had "turbo" buttons on the front? :) |
| [21:52:22] | iamlindoro: | directhex, haha, boy do I |
| [21:52:23] | justinh: | directhex: maybe the BBC HD looks better because it's been optimised better – smoothing out film grain works wonders to reduce bitrate |
| [21:52:45] | directhex: | justinh, what would you prefer to have? film grain or blur? |
| [21:53:03] | directhex: | iamlindoro, or when the true measure of a geek was your command of EMM386.EXE? |
| [21:53:19] | justinh: | directhex: that's the thing. the BBC sample doesn't look blurry |
| [21:53:28] | iamlindoro: | directhex, combined with mastery of himem.sys, of course |
| [21:53:50] | ** iamlindoro curses every Ultima 6–9 ** | |
| [21:53:54] | justinh: | put it this way I'd much rather see a _slightly_ fuzzed picture lacking in grain than blocks |
| [21:54:13] | directhex: | iamlindoro, DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE RAM=4096 |
| [21:54:25] | iamlindoro: | actually, that goes for all the other Origin games too |
| [21:54:30] | directhex: | iamlindoro, combine highmem and emm386 for great justice! |
| [21:54:38] | iamlindoro: | directhex, Yes! ;) |
| [21:54:43] | directhex: | iamlindoro, lord british just deemed that dos4/gw was for wimps. that's all |
| [21:55:17] | iamlindoro: | directhex, part of the adventure was the four hours spent getting 620 of the first 640k of RAM free |
| [21:55:32] | jackson: | dude, you don't call emm386.exe from the config.sys |
| [21:55:39] | pwnguin: | hmm |
| [21:55:41] | pwnguin: | that site |
| [21:55:50] | pwnguin: | i click on the bbc url and it gives me a .deb |
| [21:56:11] | pwnguin: | strange |
| [21:56:18] | iamlindoro: | dpkg -i BBC-HD! |
| [21:56:22] | iamlindoro: | If only it were the easy |
| [21:56:28] | iamlindoro: | er that |
| [21:56:57] | Smirnov: | if only |
| [21:57:27] | justinh: | wooo Emmerdale is gonna be made in de hud from April |
| [21:57:51] | pwnguin: | that was really strange |
| [21:58:50] | directhex: | iamlindoro, and deciding "do i need crom support or mouse support?" |
| [21:59:02] | Smirnov: | speaking of command line mplayer tips, does anyone know what i can add to make mplayer play the subtitles in an MKV file? i have some anime in MKV that i cant watch cause i dont know how :( |
| [21:59:18] | pwnguin: | i wrote a script in gnome nautilus |
| [21:59:25] | pwnguin: | lemme look it up |
| [21:59:38] | justinh: | directhex: seems the textures/edges aren't the only differences either. the beeb sample is more colourful |
| [21:59:51] | iamlindoro: | directhex, where Ultima games all but required mouse, I had to go with mouse-- I seem to recall lh not working with my mouse driver for some reason... meh, it's all in the fuzzy past |
| [21:59:52] | AndyCap: | Smirnov: -slang or -sid should do it |
| [21:59:58] | pwnguin: | those are them |
| [22:00:02] | pwnguin: | the trouble is |
| [22:00:08] | pwnguin: | sometimes closed captions get turned into subtitles |
| [22:00:09] | pwnguin: | etc |
| [22:00:11] | pwnguin: | and you dont want that |
| [22:00:34] | pwnguin: | or you get some genius who decided japanese subtitles would complete the experience |
| [22:00:35] | justinh: | well, I is off. g'night |
| [22:00:38] | iamlindoro: | sexy new features are coming to ffmpeg/mplayer MKV parsing fairly shortly |
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| [22:00:55] | iamlindoro: | including support for posters, embedded fonts, etc. |
| [22:00:56] | directhex: | iamlindoro, ogm parsing still sucks |
| [22:00:58] | pwnguin: | iamlindoro: good to hear. ive always been sad that mkv support is so terrible |
| [22:01:21] | iamlindoro: | directhex, honestly, I've never had an OGM before |
| [22:01:49] | pwnguin: | is there a difference between .ogg and OGM? |
| [22:01:55] | Smirnov: | pwnguin: which one? both or just one |
| [22:02:20] | iamlindoro: | omg is a movie |
| [22:02:23] | iamlindoro: | er ogm |
| [22:02:23] | directhex: | pwnguin, slight header differences. ogg doesn't allow non-xiph formats, as standard |
| [22:02:25] | iamlindoro: | haha, omg |
| [22:02:37] | pwnguin: | Smirnov: they do the same thing. the other trick to watch out for is alang. if you're the kind of person who likes dual audio, you can get the wrong one by default |
| [22:03:07] | AndyCap: | Smirnov: mplayer should list the tracks in the mkv file when playing it. pick one with -sid |
| [22:03:23] | pwnguin: | AndyCap: of course, automating all that is tricky =( |
| [22:03:39] | AndyCap: | [mkv] Track ID 3: subtitles (S_TEXT/ASS) "Title" -sid 0, -slang eng |
| [22:03:53] | pwnguin: | mkv lets you set up multiple audio channels, but doesn't set up any standard for identifying langauges, etc |
| [22:04:03] | pwnguin: | and multiple subtitles |
| [22:04:30] | Smirnov: | can i just add "-slang" to the mplayer arguments without any additional arguments? |
| [22:04:35] | AndyCap: | so what does eng come from? just a string in the mkv file or mplayer mayking it up as it goes |
| [22:04:52] | pwnguin: | sometimes its eng, sometimes its not |
| [22:04:59] | AndyCap: | Smirnov: in theory you could do -sid 0 but that will fail if there's more than one. |
| [22:05:15] | pwnguin: | if there's eng and then translator's notes |
| [22:05:24] | pwnguin: | they're both english langauge... |
| [22:05:29] | Smirnov: | cant i just do the __first__ subtitles? |
| [22:05:35] | Smirnov: | or a random one? |
| [22:05:38] | pwnguin: | sure |
| [22:05:40] | pwnguin: | if you want tha |
| [22:05:42] | pwnguin: | that |
| [22:05:51] | ben_: | heh iamlindoro, that sample kills my cpu |
| [22:06:04] | iamlindoro: | ben_, Don't feel bad, it kills lots of CPUs :) |
| [22:06:19] | ben_: | i thought E2180 might be able to cope |
| [22:06:31] | pwnguin: | oh man, that looks terribly grainy |
| [22:07:13] | iamlindoro: | ben_, best shot with that proc on maplayer is adding -lavdopts threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all |
| [22:07:16] | iamlindoro: | er mplayer |
| [22:07:42] | iamlindoro: | but I expect if it plays, it'll be just scraping by |
| [22:08:18] | ** iamlindoro hugs "threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all" ** | |
| [22:08:34] | ben_: | it looks ok, just looks like slow motion |
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| [22:08:35] | ben_: | :) |
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| [22:09:03] | iamlindoro: | Just get realllll drunk before watching |
| [22:09:12] | ben_: | =) |
| [22:09:34] | ben_: | now its ok |
| [22:09:37] | ben_: | that weird :p |
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| [22:11:38] | Hoxzer: | ds |
| [22:11:42] | Hoxzer: | .// <comment> is the right form in menu.xmltv ? |
| [22:11:52] | peoples: | hey guys ... |
| [22:12:43] | directhex: | HEY YOU GUYS! |
| [22:12:55] | Hoxzer: | *xml |
| [22:13:07] | AndyCap: | Hai Guise |
| [22:13:20] | peoples: | is it possible to stream the whole transponder with mythtv ? to record one channel and show another when both channels on the same transponder ? |
| [22:13:27] | peoples: | with one dvb-s card .. ;) |
| [22:14:20] | iamlindoro: | peoples, yes, that's the point of multirec |
| [22:14:58] | Smirnov: | hey, doing -sid 0 seems to work. thanks for the tip |
| [22:15:17] | pwnguin: | -sid 0 will pick whichever's first and bam |
| [22:16:03] | Smirnov: | i only have very few files in mkv, usually anime so its ok :) |
| [22:16:22] | pwnguin: | i get hit occasionally by hardcoding -slang eng |
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| [22:17:32] | Smirnov: | how would you dump the subtitle tracks from a file aynway? |
| [22:17:54] | Smirnov: | like, listing the tracks. not extract it to separate file |
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| [22:22:16] | directhex: | whatever the mkv equivalent to ogminfo is |
| [22:23:12] | iamlindoro: | mkvinfo I think |
| [22:23:49] | iamlindoro: | from mkvtoolnix |
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| [22:24:11] | kenni: | Where can I download the latest ivtv and/or v4l drivers .. to try and get a hvr-3000 from Hauppauge ignited? |
| [22:24:36] | iamlindoro: | You only need a lighter and some gasoline for that |
| [22:25:29] | kenni: | iamlindoro, Hehe .. funny answer, comming from a former policeman :) |
| [22:25:45] | iamlindoro: | Hey, just being practical |
| [22:26:09] | _gunni_: | kenni: You can try one of these repos: http://www.linuxtv.org/hg/ |
| [22:26:11] | iamlindoro: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-3000 |
| [22:26:12] | kenni: | Seriously though .. there was a guy who has helped with this before ... |
| [22:26:24] | iamlindoro: | kenni, the wiki page I linked has instructions on getting the driver |
| [22:26:30] | kenni: | Cool, thanks :) |
| [22:26:35] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [22:26:43] | pwnguin: | oh neat |
| [22:27:15] | iamlindoro: | curse our lack of DVB, it *doeS* look like a nice card |
| [22:27:27] | pwnguin: | someone marked up this mkv to have chapters for intro, opening, the episode and final credits |
| [22:27:29] | kenni: | Does this work with the analog tuner, or only the two digital tuners? |
| [22:28:00] | kenni: | I guess there is (at least) one of way of learning ;) |
| [22:28:01] | iamlindoro: | kenni, my guess is digital only at this point (at least that's based on my reading of the wiki) |
| [22:28:35] | kenni: | iamlindoro, so since there is only analog antenna here, I can throw the card in the garbage, or recommend to install a different OS? |
| [22:28:53] | iamlindoro: | kenni, So not DVB-T at *all*? |
| [22:29:17] | kenni: | nah .. just a sports channel, IIRC, and I think thats encoded to analog here. |
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| [22:29:23] | iamlindoro: | well... in that case yeah, I guess it'd be relatively little use to you (unless you also need DVB-S) |
| [22:29:34] | kenni: | no satalite either. |
| [22:29:52] | kenni: | (No parabole antenna either, even) :) |
| [22:30:02] | iamlindoro: | bummer |
| [22:30:28] | kenni: | How is this tuner different from the tuners in the PVR-500 for instance? |
| [22:30:41] | kenni: | (or the bttv tuner) |
| [22:31:07] | iamlindoro: | Well, the PVR-500 is dual analog tuner, with mpeg-2 hardware encoders... the HVR-3000, even if it had analog support, would just be a framegrabber |
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| [22:31:22] | iamlindoro: | for your purposes, a PVR-500 or 150 may be the better solution for now |
| [22:31:41] | mzb: | DViCO ? |
| [22:31:53] | mzb: | or is that .au only? |
| [22:32:10] | mzb: | (for dvb that is) |
| [22:32:30] | iamlindoro: | I think he was saying he has no DVB of any kind right now (correct me if I'm wrong) |
| [22:33:00] | kenni: | You're correct, iamlindoro |
| [22:33:14] | mzb: | yeah, I was uncertain if that meant he couldn't receive it because the card wasn't operational, or that there is no DVB in the ether ;) |
| [22:33:39] | kenni: | This is Denmark, we're up to date with all the new standards of the 60's! ;-) |
| [22:33:45] | mzb: | :) |
| [22:34:01] | iamlindoro: | I was surprised when I first heard that, didn't think there were many places left in EU that were msotly analog |
| [22:34:09] | mzb: | ah well ... framegrabber with onboard mpeg2 is prob. as good as you can get |
| [22:34:10] | iamlindoro: | you guys have DVB in the major cities, is that right? |
| [22:34:19] | iamlindoro: | I think that's what I recall reading |
| [22:34:24] | kenni: | The best tuner is pvr500, right? |
| [22:34:33] | mzb: | .au? dvb==yes |
| [22:34:34] | kenni: | yeah .. but we only have two major cities in the country ;) |
| [22:34:46] | iamlindoro: | mzb, DK |
| [22:34:50] | mzb: | sounds a bit limiting ;) |
| [22:35:24] | mzb: | mind you, you can get a decent signal ~100km with the right aerial ;)) |
| [22:35:37] | kenni: | PVR-500 would be the optimal choice you say, iamlindoro ? |
| [22:35:52] | iamlindoro: | kenni, yeah, if you need dual tuners-- if you just need one, a PVR-150 is a good choice |
| [22:36:04] | directhex: | analog. how cute! ^_^ |
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| [22:40:05] | kenni: | iamlindoro, btw. ... if you get the darn windows remote with the pvr-500 .. what do you do? Can it work with Myth somehow? |
| [22:40:24] | iamlindoro: | the Windows Media Center remote? Yes! It's one of the best Myth remotes out there |
| [22:40:37] | kenni: | OK :) |
| [22:40:40] | kenni: | Thats cool :) |
| [22:40:45] | iamlindoro: | I would recommend the Windows MCE remote with a PVR-500/150 over any other one available with it |
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| [22:47:37] | kenni: | Thanks :) |
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| [23:10:00] | mick_home: | iamlindoro: i'm working with a kernel developer — he will show me how to get my remote to work :) |
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| [23:10:08] | mick_home: | so my findings will go back online |
| [23:10:26] | mick_home: | who knows, probably going to get the ati remote to finally *work* (i hope) |
| [23:10:38] | justinh: | hey who wants #4779 ? |
| [23:11:13] | mick_home: | i'm lucky, this guy actually works on remote drivers :) |
| [23:12:17] | mick_home: | i put it into one of those hw usb analyser things (which i found out costs $3,000) — didn't get much info out of it (we tried the ati_remote driver) |
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| [23:12:53] | mick_home: | that is with the debug flag on (when i do an insmod) |
| [23:13:17] | mick_home: | so far i'm learning a lot though :D |
| [23:13:43] | justinh: | USB analysers needn't cost that much. I bought one for work for much less not so long ago |
| [23:14:13] | justinh: | I think only sata/firewire analysers cost in the region of thousands |
| [23:14:28] | mick_home: | well, that is what i was told this thing costs |
| [23:14:42] | mick_home: | not sure why though |
| [23:14:56] | mick_home: | i was thinking "god, thankfully i didn't pay for this crap" |
| [23:15:47] | fysa: | http://youtube.com/watch?v=1-yAQt_QFPw |
| [23:16:28] | fysa: | http://www.popcornhour.com/ |
| [23:16:33] | fysa: | Anyone try/hear anything about these? |
| [23:17:13] | fysa: | $179, decodes 1080p H264 (even in .mkv container), has support for RSS and network services. |
| [23:17:24] | justinh: | and has a horrible ui :) |
| [23:17:40] | mick_home: | :) |
| [23:18:10] | ** fysa wonders at his Mythfrontend ** | |
| [23:18:11] | fysa: | ;) |
| [23:18:19] | fysa: | that aside.. |
| [23:18:40] | fysa: | thinking of picking one up and trying to feed it RSS via mythweb |
| [23:18:46] | iamlindoro: | fysa, I know greyfoxx has investigated them a little bit, And have heard tell that a guy who pops in and out of here occasionally is getting one-- there's a pretty substantial waiting list apparently |
| [23:19:06] | justinh: | fysa: you could try adapting the myth2ipod script ;) |
| [23:19:15] | directhex: | fysa, £300 gets you a 1080p h264 player that also plays blu-ray and HD games |
| [23:20:01] | fysa: | that's around 3 times the price, directhex? |
| [23:20:20] | fysa: | and please tell me that one — PS3? |
| [23:20:42] | fysa: | with no support for mkv, unless it works in Linux? |
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| [23:21:25] | directhex: | other than warez, what uses mkv? |
| [23:21:32] | AcTiVaTe: | Vuze? |
| [23:21:47] | fysa: | that's it as far as I know, but that doesn't answer the other two questions. |
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| [23:29:51] | kaje1: | I'm trying to build a mythtv front and back end system. What would be the best Tuner card to purchase, with an eye on the future? I'm looking at the pcHDTVTM HD-5500 card, but I'm concerned that this is depending on the system's CPU for too much of the decoding... |
| [23:30:11] | justinh: | kaje1: you can't offload HD decoding to any tuner card |
| [23:30:42] | kaje1: | justinh: that's exactly what I was wondering... this card will do nicely for HD and regular cable, yes? |
| [23:30:55] | justinh: | no, it'll only do nicely for HD |
| [23:31:08] | kaje1: | it can't handle normal broadcast? |
| [23:31:09] | justinh: | the analogue side of it's a framegrabber |
| [23:31:33] | justinh: | i.e. it'll eat CPU to encode analogue TV |
| [23:31:42] | justinh: | and take up your soundcard |
| [23:32:06] | kaje1: | are there any cards that do both analog and HD? I currently have regular digital cable, but I expect to upgrade to HD cable in the next 12 months |
| [23:32:20] | kaje1: | * do them well |
| [23:32:22] | iamlindoro: | We need a bot for this stuff that gives the standard spiel on each topic. !StupidLIRCQuestion, !StupidHDQuestion, !RTFWiki |
| [23:32:58] | justinh: | I hope #4779 isn't one of many theme tickets. CBA |
| [23:33:02] | kaje1: | really, it would be great if you had a wiki page called something like, "The Ideal Setup" with specific recommended hardware... |
| [23:33:11] | justinh: | there's no 'ideal setup' |
| [23:33:56] | justinh: | and few people stick their necks out to recommend hardware because sure as anything, somebody will be unable to get it to work |
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| [23:34:28] | iamlindoro: | kaje1, There is a single tuner card (HVR 1600) and dual tuner card (HVR 1800) that do both "well" (ie the analog side is an mpeg-2 encoder), but the drivers are experimental, ie, only currently recommended for advanced linux users w/ no stable versions |
| [23:34:40] | iamlindoro: | and on both of those, only one side is currently working |
| [23:35:29] | kaje1: | So, the HVR cards currently work on the analog side, but not the HD (yet)? |
| [23:35:41] | justinh: | omfg. automagical db backup on upgrade? nursemaids r us |
| [23:35:44] | iamlindoro: | currently the best thing to do if you need both and need good driver support is to get a good analog card (PVR 150 or 500) and a good ATSC card (HD 5500, HDHomeRun, Kworld 110 or 115, etc) |
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| [23:35:57] | kaje1: | Any reason to expect that they won't work out the HD side in the next 6–12 months or so? |
| [23:36:26] | iamlindoro: | kajel, no reason to expect that they *will*, it's entirely dependent on how much the developers want to work on them |
| [23:36:52] | iamlindoro: | analog only on the hvr-1600 so far, digital only on the 1800 so far |
| [23:36:56] | kaje1: | Yeah, I'm just making sure there isn't some dumb hardware company dragging their feet about releasing specs or something |
| [23:37:14] | ** iamlindoro laughs a little at releasing specs ** | |
| [23:37:35] | iamlindoro: | for the *most* part, these drivers are all written with no assistance from hardware manufacturers at all |
| [23:38:14] | iamlindoro: | HVR-1800 is probably closer to supporting both sides, if I had to guess |
| [23:39:14] | iamlindoro: | anyway, if you are not extremely proficient with compiling your own kernel, drivers, etc. and troubleshooting experimental software and hardware *on your own*, I would strongly advise you not to try |
| [23:39:25] | kaje1: | I see, one last question. My cable company gives me what they call "digital cable" does that mean the same as digital in the realm of TV tuners or is HD == digital? |
| [23:39:34] | ** justinh closes #4779 as wontfix ** | |
| [23:39:50] | iamlindoro: | Digital != HD |
| [23:40:00] | iamlindoro: | HD *comes* via digital, but digital isn't HD |
| [23:40:22] | kaje1: | ok, thanks for all your help guys |
| [23:40:30] | iamlindoro: | and your digital cable, in general, is so encrypted that you'll be lucky to get Network TV and the Community College channel via digital reception |
| [23:41:45] | kaje1: | really? then how do most people use mythtv then? |
| [23:41:58] | kaje1: | if cable is so locked down |
| [23:42:51] | iamlindoro: | Lots of users are in Europe, where it's not as locked down, people in the US capture some channels via analog, some via digital where possible, some people get a few channels via firewire, etc. |
| [23:42:59] | directhex: | justinh, note: those much maligned mythbuntu autobuilds do it, Just In Case(tm) |
| [23:42:59] | purserj: | I for one don't use cable/pay television at all |
| [23:43:03] | iamlindoro: | currently, HD capture in Myth is difficult business |
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| [23:43:50] | iamlindoro: | Hauppauge is releasing a component capture device in the near future that will help a lot for HD capture, but it's not out yet |
| [23:43:58] | kaje1: | wow, I had no idea... thanks for the heads up. Sounds like I need to wait a while longer... |
| [23:44:29] | iamlindoro: | If all you want in HD is FOX, CBS, NBC, etc., it should be easy to tune and capture |
| [23:44:55] | kaje1: | Actually, I'm more interested in TLC, History, Discovery, etc |
| [23:45:00] | iamlindoro: | If you want Discovery HD, HBO HD, etc., unless you are profoundly lucky, then you will need to wait on component capture solutions, and even then there will be some quality loss |
| [23:45:07] | justinh: | directhex: yeah well the less said the better then |
| [23:45:29] | kaje1: | ok, thank you very much for the info |
| [23:45:37] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [23:47:31] | GreyFoxx: | There is the R5000 hack, but that requires either windows or a VERY expirimental linux support |
| [23:47:40] | justinh: | made up my mind. I want out. Don't want any more tickets assigned to me. Washing my hands of it. I can go back to sending in patches myself |
| [23:48:52] | GreyFoxx: | well, I've got mp4/mkv seeking problems narrowed down. just not sure I'll finish before 0.21 comes out |
| [23:49:18] | GreyFoxx: | I know where the problem is, and roughly what needs to be done to fix it |
| [23:54:41] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, :( |
| [23:54:54] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, okay, leave it & fix the ps3 issues then! |
| [23:56:27] | tank-man: | what are the ps3 issues? |
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| [23:57:40] | directhex: | tank-man, mpeg2 doesn't play anymore (apparently other upnp servers work, via extended mime info); folder attachment is busted (making browsing directory trees impossible) |
| [23:59:36] | tank-man: | when the upnp did work with the ps3, does the video on the ps3 skip commercials? or you have to do that manually |
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