Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, February 23rd, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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presumptious85:

NTSC analog

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tjcarter:

cute

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|Torg|:

justinh: not pay, shoot

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siXy:

i think the idea of it was to allow mythtv recordings to be playable in galleon. but given that galleon is rubbish, i don't see why people would care about that

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iamlindoro:

presumptious85: Digital and Analog tuning are different... but per this forum (will link in a sec) in some areas you should get CBC, a bunch of music channels, and some random Seattle channels in the clear digital QAM

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|Torg|:

Seattle from Toronto?????

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|Torg|:

maybe Buffalo, not Seattle :P

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presumptious85:

yeaa it must be buffalo

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siXy:

http://galleon.sourceforge.net/html/images/music7.png #the only music player in the world actually worse than myth-music

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presumptious85:

cuz i get that on the analog

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justinh:

mythmusic really gets a bad rap & it's undeserved IMHO

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iamlindoro:

|Torg|: Dude, you keep interrupting with your ideas... but you don't even live *near* the canadian border, it's all anecdotal

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iamlindoro:

http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/r . . . ead.cgi?2531

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siXy:

yeah, barring the irritating & slow selection mechanism, its a million times better than it used to be

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iamlindoro:

presumptious85: Check out that forum post... the list he links is all music channels, but read through the posts, you will see what users in your area are getting

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justinh:

it needs a bit of jiggling about in the playlist setting up & stuff but besides that...

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iamlindoro:

including CBC/etc, all unencrypted via QAM

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justinh:

siXy: the other weekend I set up a new playlist & it didn't take long to get an hours worth of music going

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presumptious85:

ok

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justinh:

the search thing in mythmusic has inspired me to make other search bits in mythtv work the same way. don't see why mythmusic should have the best search function

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siXy:

justinh: yeah, a large part of the reason i hate the selection so is that with my remote (logitech harmony into mce-usb reciever into lirc) key presses take an *age*. and you need many,many keypresses to naviage myth-music

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justinh:

see, you won't get no pointless features from me. I'm all about improving the usability :)

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siXy:

which is really my hardwares fault, not myths

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justinh:

I'll get back to you on themes though eh

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siXy:

:)

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justinh:

siXy: what I'd love to see is a remote that acts more like a keyboard in terms of repeat rate

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justinh:

the ui doesn't move slowly when you hold keys down ;)

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justinh:

not even on a crappy via epia

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siXy:

justinh: yeah. i tried not so long ago to hack lirc to use the input layer rather than an interrupt system, but i discovered it was beyond my talents to write

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siXy:

so i'm just waiting for someone better to do it for me

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|Torg|:

iamlindoro you are correct I live abotu as far from Canada as you can get in the US, but I dont advocate he simply get a QAM tuner and go playiing arround. Read the users list, like Greyfox said there are many posta about firewire and the fact all the QAM is encrypted. ven according to what you posted there is simply music available for free

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iamlindoro:

|Torg|: Firstly, I told him to be sure that there was in the clear broadcasting before purchasing. Secondly, as I said, if you *read* the post you will find users reporting that they get far more than music channels

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justinh:

siXy: it's not as if remotes can't send rapid key sequences either

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iamlindoro:

including US netowrk TV and CBC

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siXy:

exactly, although the harmony is noticeably slower than normal remotes, it doesn't justify being as slow as it is

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justinh:

siXy: funny, all that $$$ for it too

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siXy:

:)

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robbins61:

iamlindoro, who cares if he did anything today?! HE'S STILL THE MAN! obbaammmmaaaaaa!!

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siXy:

i looks cool, and it saves having 5 or 6 remotes. i can live with it

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iamlindoro:

robbins61: Well, you've got me there ;)

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justinh:

when I press & hold a button on my remote while running irw the screen fills up quickly. and it still saves me having 6 remotes :)

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justinh:

would like more buttons ideally but hey it'll do. maybe if I programmed the menu button to actually be the menu button...

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justinh:

been thinking about development work lately, all the stuff I'd like to do, how to expand on stuff I've done, helping people out, getting help.. maybe after 0.21 we could have a kind of unofficial 'summer of code' to see if any more 'would-be' contributors can be turned into 'can do' contributors

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presumptious85:

interesting page doro

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sphing:

iamlindoro, mp4 with h264@4500k aac@192k works very well

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sphing:

thanks for your help

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|Torg|:

iamlindoro beasides usinga dvb-c card you are pretty much at the mercy of the cable comany. Thats why I advocate a stb with firewire over dvb-c, but ultimatly it is the users choice in the end

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iamlindoro:

sphing: no problem, glad you got it sorted

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iamlindoro:

|Torg|: Riiiight, 'cause you're not at the mercy of your cable co using the STB and firewire.... *eyeroll*

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|Torg|:

iamlindoro remeber im the one who advoated you drop cable all together, but some people insist on using cable

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presumptious85:

lol

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presumptious85:

forget a STB

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justinh:

ah crap people are gonna want to do more than just _look_ at a list of recordings in the expiration list

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presumptious85:

i cant get that at the moment

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justinh:

hmm I can add that later. concentrate on the here & now dumbass

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presumptious85:

i just have basic cable for now

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presumptious85:

and that will do until i start making a whole lot of money

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|Torg|:

an anlog tuner, one of the afore mentioned frame grabbers

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presumptious85:

ehmm, which ones?

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|Torg|:

look up the hauppague, I dont use them anymore tho

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|Torg|:

you may find people who still do, at least for a while

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justinh:

pvr150 – single tuner with mpeg2 encoder onboard

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justinh:

pvr500 – as the pvr150 but effectively two on one pci card :)

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** jb1 uses the pvr-150, and loves it. Especially now with modules in kernel. **

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presumptious85:

but the pvr150 dont come with a remote

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jb1:

presumptious85: The pvr-150 DOES come with a remote (or at least mine did)

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presumptious85:

cool

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iamlindoro:

It's available with no remote, a crap remote, or a good remote/irblaster, depending on how much you spend

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|Torg|:

you can get any remote, and with a handfull of parts and basic soldering skill make a working set

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presumptious85:

a good remote/irblaster is defn8ly worth the extra cent

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jb1:

** AN IR blaster allows you to control your STB from within myth **

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presumptious85:

i gotta get this HVR1600 out of the system

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presumptious85:

so guess a pvr150 it is

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siXy:

justinh: what are you writing? a list of whats going to be expired?

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|Torg|:

whats wrong with the hvr1600?

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iamlindoro:

Or just build the experimental drivers and use that...

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justinh:

siXy: yeah. I find the status info list too limited

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iamlindoro:

http://marc.info/?l=linux-video&m=119834005505084&w=2

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presumptious85:

it doesnt work on linux

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siXy:

nice idea – that would be really handy

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iamlindoro:

presumptious85: read my link, there is an experimental driver

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justinh:

siXy: only thing missing from 'manage recordings' IMHO

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presumptious85:

i tried that experimental 2 nites ago

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iamlindoro:

sure you built it properly?

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presumptious85:

yeaa

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presumptious85:

i got help from here while doing it

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justinh:

siXy: if I get it worky I'll try to get it to estimate how long recordings have left based on current recording stats – assuming there are any

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jb1:

|Torg|, presumptious85: iamlindoro is right, the experimental support within v4l is actually right on with it. Similar to what I am using for my PCTV 800i

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presumptious85:

and all it did was make my nvidia video card not to work nomore

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siXy:

i can see that being harder. a disk usage bar along the bottom would be handy however, for reference

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jb1:

presumptious85: you should really be checking over in #linuxtv, they would be much better to help you straighten out the issue

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justinh:

siXy: depends if ave bitrate etc are kept anywhere ;)

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siXy:

so that you can see how much disk space you have left on the same page as whats going to get nuked next

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justinh:

the disk usage bar will be easy

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justinh:

copy/paste from playbackbox.cpp ;)

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** siXy tries not to add too many features to justinh's addon **

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presumptious85:

yeaa but other people on the ubuntu forum had the same problem as me

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siXy:

ah i love the copy&paste coding style

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justinh:

who was it who said they were gonna try & do a piechart disk usage thing?

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siXy:

me.

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justinh:

siXy: and? ;)

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presumptious85:

so i'm guess its because of my video card rather than the tuner itself

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presumptious85:

jb1

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siXy:

but given that QT has been abandoned, and the reaction of peope in the dev channel was: it can't really be one in myth-ui i kind of stopped looking at it

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justinh:

there's this & a bunch of other features I feel are 'obvious' & haven't worked out why they're not already in there

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jb1:

presumptious85: that doesn't make sense, the driver for the 1600 shouldn't impact your video card at all if it's done correctly

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presumptious85:

well it did

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presumptious85:

i wasnt it expecting it too

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iamlindoro:

sounds kinda pebkac to me

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presumptious85:

i got help from here on installing it

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jb1:

ok

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justinh:

siXy: there's no _current_ widget for it in mythui, that's all. the general feeling now is that no more new widgets for libmythui are to be made ;)

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jb1:

presumptious85: not denying that it didn't bunk your video card

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presumptious85:

and it was the same experience people had in the ubuntu forum

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justinh:

siXy: mythui is far from finished, and the widgets in there now will doubtless have to be added to or it'll end up being more limiting than what there is now

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jb1:

presumptious85: just saying that your nivedia drivers (nv or whatever you are using) should be completely seperate drivers

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jb1:

I mean, all the hvr16000 is is a file :)

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presumptious85:

not really

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siXy:

justinh: my current one is the merging of -video with recorded movies, and possibly add the ability to sort by genre, etc. and maybe replace the movie-recording live preview with the cover image a-la mythvideo

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jb1:

presumptious85: what branch did you use for your build?

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presumptious85:

all the hvr1600 is in the same lib folder

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justinh:

sort by genre? cool :)

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** jb1 was trying to make a joke on how "Everything is a file"... Unix humor stinks **

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presumptious85:

i am only in my 6th day of the linux enviroment

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justinh:

siXy: times like this I wish there was a moderated list for people outside the inner sanctum to discuss stuff they're working on – without the intrusions of every Joe with their opinions ;)

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jb1:

presumptious85: where did you get your source to build the experimental driver for the 1600

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|Torg|:

jb1 there are allot of ways drivers can interfear with eachother, I dont doubt presumptious85 ran across one

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siXy:

justinh: yeah. definately.

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justinh:

siXy: I have commit privs & I'm not even in the inner sanctum

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presumptious85:

from the same site that was posted recently

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siXy:

i would v much welcome the opinion of all the regs in here, but i CBA with feature requests from world+dog

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|Torg|:

presumptious85: when yuou say the nvidia card failed, how so?

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presumptious85:

well, it got disabled sort of

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|Torg|:

disabled as in how? did X crash, did it fail to start?

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jb1:

|Torg|: I have no doubt that modules can interfer, but the v4l-dvb stuff is really good about being independent, as it is kernel level itself. I've been following the development of those cards alot over @ v4l, so am just suprised to see that as an issue (it's not something that is coming up over there)

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presumptious85:

and my system revered back to the vga on my motherboard

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siXy:

anyway, its 00:31! ~]# init BED

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justinh:

siXy: and maybe encouraging more people to get actively involved will lessen the load for other devs, keep everybody's motivation up. I might not keep throwing toys out of the pram if I felt I wasn't the only person making themes. yeah there are 'others' but look at em. mediaportal skin rip-offs

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|Torg|:

did you run X in verbose mode to see why it did not load the nvidia driver?

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presumptious85:

verbose mode?

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siXy:

justinh: hmm have you the space to host a list on your space?

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presumptious85:

i'm still a noob

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presumptious85:

just 6 days into linux

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siXy:

as my space has gone tits-up since moving house

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justinh:

siXy: dunno if the space is up to running any list code tbh

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|Torg|:

yes it has output logs, just about everything that does has them. You use them to diagnose problems such as what you are experiancing

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siXy:

ah

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justinh:

siXy: my 24/7 box could probably cope with the load of a few emails ;)

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jb1:

presumptious85: Can you repost the link that you got the source from?

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presumptious85:

http://marc.info/?l=linux-video&m=119834005505084&w=2

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siXy:

that would be better than nothing, by a long shot

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presumptious85:

thats it jb1

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justinh:

siXy: couple of users tossed around the idea of having a sub-forum on mythtvtalk.com but I think it's been kyboshed by the site owner

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jb1:

presumptious85: ahhh, now it's starting to make sense

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justinh:

then how'd you decide the entry parameters anyway? anybody who's attached a patch to a ticket?

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siXy:

thats a pity – forums are a little easier than mailing lists

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jb1:

presumptious85: That is the driver that Hans released in late december

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justinh:

or just let anybody join & kick em out for begging? :P

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siXy:

anyone who asks i guess

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jb1:

there have been about 80+ major changes since then :)

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siXy:

if anyone is interested enough to request it, they probably aren't a troll

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jb1:

http://linuxtv.org/hg/~hverkuil/cx18/ for a list

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siXy:

and if they are,, well thats what bansticks are for :)

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presumptious85:

lol

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justinh:

siXy: to get a vague idea, look in the wiki's feature request area. not many reqs would hold water

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siXy:

"MythTV Frontend and backend runnning on a Casio fx7000G (1985) pocket calculator"

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siXy:

:D

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siXy:

although i sincerely hope that was intended as a jok

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justinh:

there's a lot that can be done that wouldn't necessarily need the sayso of 'proper' devs but stuff like moving things around, renaming stuff.. that needs dev consensus

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presumptious85:

so what happens next jb1

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jb1:

well, i would suggest you now get to learn how to build STRAIGHT from the linuxtv sources ;)

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justinh:

hg clone yadayadayadayada

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justinh:

make

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justinh:

make install

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justinh:

tada!

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jb1:

presumptious85: Hey, look, a how-to: http://linuxtv.org/repo/

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jb1:

justinh has got it

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siXy:

yeah, there definately needs to be some sort of filtering to keep out people that think its important to have smooth scrolling in the guide...

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justinh:

satisfying the build requirements is the main trick, jb1, presumptious85 ;)

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jb1:

presumptious85: HEADERS! apt-get HEADERS!!

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justinh:

siXy: stuff like that's important but way beyond my level, infact much beyond cut/paste is beyond me :P

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presumptious85:

oh snap

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justinh:

even so it can be astonishing what can be acheived when you know $notmuch

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presumptious85:

i'd certainly need a guidiance

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siXy:

also it would be a place to put docs and design notes, so that, for example, you can write down $randomcooltrick you discovered when writing a new theme

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presumptious85:

so that i dont screw up much

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presumptious85:

or get frustracted

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jb1:

presumptious85: also, take a look at the linuxtv wiki, it has much more info than that, which will tell you if you need build-essentials or whatever other annoying packages are required

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siXy:

and we don't all have to ask the devs the same questions, irritating them

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jb1:

presumptious85: {screw up?} {get frustrated?} Welcome to linux!

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justinh:

siXy: trac already has an area for that, as does the wikiwiki

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presumptious85:

lol

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jb1:

in reality, the wiki for linuxtv and the repo how to will do a pretty good job of getting everything working for you

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siXy:

justinh: ah. well. i've missed those then :)

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jb1:

if not, take a stroll over to #v4l and talk to the fine folk over there will be happy to help you out. I was talking to Hans earlier on today about issues with my pvr150 actually

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presumptious85:

yeaa jb1

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siXy:

anyway, it really is bedtime now. goodnight one and all :)

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presumptious85:

it defn8ly looks alot comprehensive than what i have seen recently

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presumptious85:

thanks alot

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presumptious85:

hopefully this works fine

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jb1:

no problem, ALOT of work went into it. You basically got the first version of it which would even build. The last 2 months have been devoted to making it actually work

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presumptious85:

and u said thats what ur using?

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presumptious85:

the driver i mean

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jb1:

no, i'm actually using another "experimental" driver, but it's all the same

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presumptious85:

ok

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presumptious85:

so if i get the driver working

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presumptious85:

what next?

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jb1:

presumptious85: Hans does a great job with his devices, I'm sure he has it either working nicely or can tell you when it will be

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jb1:

presumptious85: ice cream sundae time? go to the cinema? I don't know, you tell me.

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presumptious85:

lol

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presumptious85:

i mean i would i know that it work

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presumptious85:

i would need some sort of media center or suthin

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presumptious85:

like mythtv or xine

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iamlindoro:

mythtv and xine and different animals living in different forests on different continents

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jb1:

presumptious85: mplayer or xine would be enough to show you it works

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presumptious85:

oh cool

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iamlindoro:

er are

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presumptious85:

mplayer i got installed already

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presumptious85:

its kitchen time

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presumptious85:

then boot to ubuntu

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presumptious85:

i'd defn8ly be back on here

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lanuser:

Hello – anyone here build their own serial IR blaster before?

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lanuser:

Everyone must be out for the night eh?

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cesman:

out?

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Anduin:

It is Friday night some places (not that he is here anymore)

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cafuego:

it's nearly saturday night, you're behind a bit lots

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mzb:

hard to be living on the "front-end" of the planet? ;)

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cafuego:

Oh no, that's what new zealand is for

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mzb:

heh

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mzb:

that would probably make our little island your (poor excuse for a) windbreak ;)

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cafuego:

mzb: only on southeasterlies, which are exceedingly rare

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mzb:

ah

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** cafuego is going to tassie twice, soon, prolly **

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mzb:

I figured we'd probably catch most of the horizontal rain coming off the Antarctic icecap ;)

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mzb:

(thereby saving you from discomfort, but making our beer better;)))

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cafuego:

heh

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mzb:

business or pleasure?

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cafuego:

you ned to brew it first, we just drink yarra water for the same effect

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cafuego:

mzb: yes and yes

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mzb:

heh

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cafuego:

lca handover first

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mzb:

heh

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mzb:

starting to wonder if you were getting paid for sex ;)

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cafuego:

then it turns out les miserables is on in hobart

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mzb:

ah

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cafuego:

and it's cheaper fly to hobart for the night and get the expensive tix there than it is to get the expensive tix in melbourne

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mzb:

that'd be right (keeps the northerners in the back rows;)

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cafuego:

heh

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cafuego:

look, they had their spot in the limelight with the mining accident

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cafuego:

now i don't want to hear from them again this century

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mzb:

nah ... I mean northerners == north islanders ;)

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cafuego:

oh, queenslanders?

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mzb:

(but same rule applies;)

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mzb:

yeah, applies to anyone north of Campbell Town ;))

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cafuego:

feh

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mzb:

jk

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mzb:

no parochialism here :)

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** cafuego tosses a basketful of apples at you **

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** mzb pulls out the mandatory automatic apple peeler **

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cafuego:

hmm, i am one of those too

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mzb:

:)

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mzb:

not to worry ... just draw a line on your neck and drink Cascade ... hopefully nobody will pick the diff ;))

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cafuego:

hehehe

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** cafuego felt safe enough last time **

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cafuego:

twice as tall as everyone else

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mzb:

need to go out t' country for the big blokes

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mzb:

eg. Huon River or Central Highlands

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mzb:

know a guy in Bothwell (dead centre) who lifts his cement mixer into the ute after a day of bricklaying ... and he'd be MEDIUM ;)

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cafuego:

heh

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mikeones:

what can I use to see the file attributes of a video I just encoded with nuvexport-xvid?

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cesman:

if you play the video w/ mplayer, it will should them to use

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mzb:

ls -l ?

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mikeones:

loking for info like bit rate res 720x480 audio bitrate etc.

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cesman:

if you play the video w/ mplayer, it will should them to use

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mzb:

ie: video info vs file info ;)

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mzb:

ffmpeg -i

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mikeones:

thanks

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mzb:

np

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Smirnov:

can anything be done about desync when watching high res 720p videos?

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iamlindoro:

If you're transcoding them yourself, and using ffmpeg, you can use -async 1... if they came that way, you're stuck either manually offsetting the audio or doing another transcode with -async 1 and hoping for the best

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a1fa_:

hey in mysql is it new bind-address per ip

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a1fa_:

or both can go in one line?

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a1fa_:

did anybody notice mythtfilldatabase slowdown in svn?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

I'm not aware of it inserting any information it hasn't alwaysbeen

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a1fa_:

whats the protocol version for the svn ?

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iamlindoro:

But you'd have to ask a dev to know for sure

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iamlindoro:

Last time I upped it was 39, I think we're at 40 now

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iamlindoro:

and possibly even 41

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a1fa_:

how do you check?

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iamlindoro:

mythbackend --version

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a1fa_:

yey

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a1fa_:

easy

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a1fa_:

i am at 38

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a1fa_:

i guess xbmcmythtv

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a1fa_:

is broken for svn

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a1fa_:

i still dont have image previews in mythweb

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a1fa_:

whats up with that?

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iamlindoro:

That's a *good* thing

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iamlindoro:

trust me, if you turn hem on, you will be sad

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iamlindoro:

er them

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a1fa_:

how so?

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iamlindoro:

because of the nasty bug in mythweb that causes the backend to lock at 100% CPU if you try to do preview imaged

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iamlindoro:

er images

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iamlindoro:

er, the bug is in mythbackend, but mythweb triggers it

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iamlindoro:

I imagine xris set SVN to temporarily disable image previews until it's resolved

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a1fa_:

ah

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4350

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a1fa_:

awwwwwww

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a1fa_:

xbmcmythtv just doesnt work :(

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iamlindoro:

I imagine you'reat the mercy of the guys who do it, since it's not part of Myth

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iamlindoro:

just have to wait for them to catch up or something

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a1fa_:

:P

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iamlindoro:

I imagine since most of their users are using stable, they probably don't chase SVN down, and just catch up with each release

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iamlindoro:

That's what I'd do, anyway

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iamlindoro:

Or at least not update any more frequently than every few weeks... I'd go nuts

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a1fa_:

script is stagnant

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a1fa_:

damn it

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metalac:

hey guys what would be a best card for HDTV digital cable? is pcHDTV the best supported one? I'm currently using firewire from Motorola box, but would like to add more inputs and ideally would like a card with 2 tunners, is there such a thing?

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metalac:

or a PCI-e card, since i'm low on pci slots

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iamlindoro:

HDHomerun is dual tuner, and it's a LAN device, actually

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iamlindoro:

most of the digital tuners, after being set up, are more or less the same

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iamlindoro:

but the HDHomeRun is the only dual

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iamlindoro:

Heh, mythbackend backs your DB up for you now... You guys are making this too easy now ;)

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metalac:

well i'd like to have something internal

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mzb:

iamlindoro: sounds cool ... hope thumbnails are regenerated after a cutlist is transcoded (pet annoyance)

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iamlindoro:

metalac: then you're stuck with single tuners... HD 5500, Kworld 110 or 115, etc.

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metalac:

iamlindoro: thanks for the info

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iamlindoro:

metalac: no prob

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iamlindoro:

mzb: Hmm, I never really noticed since I get everything out of recordings ASAP

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mzb:

I cut, transcode & burn ... thumbnails are of original recording, rather than after cut

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mzb:

(lossless transcode)

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iamlindoro:

yup, can see how that would be bad news

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iamlindoro:

mzb: Yeah, I do the same, then usually do an h.264 transcode and shift it over to mythvideo

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mzb:

pita ... got to remember to check them before burn

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mzb:

not enough room in video ... full of music videos ;)

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iamlindoro:

I wouldn't even know where to *find* a music video on American TV these days

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mzb:

(close to 90GB!)

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mzb:

I cut them out ... takes hours.

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iamlindoro:

I'd imagine

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iamlindoro:

Good for party mixes, though

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mzb:

brilliant

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mzb:

between the fixzerolength script, and an "update_playlist_length" script ... combined with my dodgy "play_random" script ... it works pretty well

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mzb:

when I get back to it, I'll finish off a little OSD programme to make it nicer

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mzb:

got the basic idea tested and working

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like a nice feature

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mzb:

ie: plan is to press OSD button (or something) and it displays artist/track etc

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mzb:

started with the example for libxosd and worked up ... getting there

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mzb:

(bit crude)

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iamlindoro:

Any thought of using mythtvosd for it?

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iamlindoro:

for cleaner looking integration?

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mzb:

can't get mythtvosd to work over xine

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iamlindoro:

ah, ok, didn't realize you were using xine

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mzb:

play_random.sh is the custom play command for the All_Music.pls

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mzb:

which finds all the music in the dir(s), shuffles them and puts the list into All_Music.pls (5 times)

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mzb:

then starts xine on the playlist

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clever[rev]:

ive got a cronjob which finds all avi files and makes a dir of nothing but 100's of symlinks

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clever[rev]:

then i can just cd ~/avis/links/allavis/;mplayer -shuffle *

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clever[rev]:

and a similar one for music

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clever[rev]:

but now that ive got more hdd space ive put all my music into 1 giant folder

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clever[rev]:

find /media/allmusic/ -type f > allmusic;mplayer -shuffle -playlist allmusic

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mzb:

mine is sorted by artist

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clever[rev]:

cron can speed the slow part up by just doing it once a day/week

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joobie:

guys

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clever[rev]:

mythmusic can do that by itself

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clever[rev]:

girls

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mzb:

and the playlist is generated dynamically

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joobie:

having problems with my display coming up when i hook up my media center to the tele

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joobie:

anyone able to help?

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joobie:

i see the bios screen.. then when grub boots i see nothing. nor when x starts too

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clever[rev]:

mzb: id like to be able to do stuff like creating the mythmusic playlist from mythweb

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clever[rev]:

then just play it on the frontend

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iamlindoro:

clever[rev]: I don't see how mythmusic is relevant to his music *videos*

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clever[rev]:

ahhh

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clever[rev]:

grouping music videos by artist

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mzb:

yep

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clever[rev]:

could replace the viz in mythmusic with a player preview

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mzb:

current playlist is: 2122 mins! ;)

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clever[rev]:

with the same old fullscreen option

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mzb:

$ find /myth/video/videos/Music/ -type f | wc -l

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mzb:

699

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clever[rev]:

find -L /media/videos/ -type f 2>/dev/null |wc -l

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clever[rev]:

7057

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clever[rev]:

find -L /media/allmusic/ -type f 2>/dev/null |wc -l

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clever[rev]:

7788

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iamlindoro:

Jesus Christ, you're what Justinh would call a media squirrel

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mzb:

heh

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clever[rev]:

theres a source dir in there:P

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mzb:

I don't have enough drive space to keep that much junk (uncompressed!)

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clever[rev]:

that probly thru the count way off

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iamlindoro:

I have 734 videos and I feel like I have far too much junk in there

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mzb:

hmm

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clever[rev]:

2870 files in net-snmp!

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clever[rev]:

mythtv@theP4:/media/videos$ find -L /media/videos/ -type f 2>/dev/null |wc -l

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clever[rev]:

4172

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iamlindoro:

That said, I can proudly say that all 734 are 720p or better resolution :)

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clever[rev]:

80% of mine are 640x470 divx probly

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clever[rev]:

mythtv@theP4:/media/videos$ find -L -type f 2>/dev/null|grep mkv|wc -l

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clever[rev]:

153

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clever[rev]:

1025 avi

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iamlindoro:

mmmkay, so we've established that you've stoled 153 movies...

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mzb:

I've got about 150 videos (mostly super-crap quality)

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iamlindoro:

er stolen

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clever[rev]:

18 ogm

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clever[rev]:

2976 others

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clever[rev]:

oops

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mzb:

but >2300 recordings ;)

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clever[rev]:

theres a whole website in here!

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clever[rev]:

from a wget -r

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mzb:

might throw your #'s out a bit ;)

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clever[rev]:

2822 now

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mzb:

ever heard of bind mounts? ;)

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clever[rev]:

im using symlinks

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clever[rev]:

and find -L

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mzb:

(and directory structures;))

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clever[rev]:

its mostly stored along /media/videos/`hostname`/showname

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clever[rev]:

each box has its 'local' storage at that area

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clever[rev]:

and exports that via nfs to all the others

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mzb:

yes, I remember you describing this before

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clever[rev]:

and heres a backup of a mp3 player!

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iamlindoro:

mzb: Shhhhhh, he's showing off his "hard drive"

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mzb:

ah

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** mzb sits and listens intently **

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clever[rev]:

315 of these files are torrent!

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iamlindoro:

*cough*loggedchannel*cough*

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clever[rev]:

and theres java source in here too...

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clever[rev]:

lets just say those are legal torrents

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clever[rev]:

a few of them are ubuntu:P

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iamlindoro:

That is what I call a lot of distro forks

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clever[rev]:

there

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clever[rev]:

1915 files now that ive hiden the java

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clever[rev]:

and avi and ogm and mkv and torrent

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iamlindoro:

mv Transformers.mkv Transformbuntu_i386.iso.mkv

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clever[rev]:

lol

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mzb:

Yay! Top Gear is on tonight ... that might cheer me up :|

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clever[rev]:

and heres a backup of a mysql data dir..

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iamlindoro:

mplayer BigJubblies_amd64.iso.avi

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clever[rev]:

808 files now

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tjcarter:

AFAICT, the best coax cables are the ones made by the cable co with the compression connectors and pretty good coax.. I don't frankly use the stuff enough to by the cable, connectors, and tools to make them myself. Is there a good, reasonably cheap source for such things?

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mzb:

RG6 at jaycar.com.au ?

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mzb:

;)

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cafuego:

mzb: s01e01 though

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cafuego:

dunno why they're not showing s10

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tjcarter:

mzb: I'm located on a different continent =)

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tjcarter:

mzb: but I do believe RG6 is what is used by the cable companies

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tjcarter:

So quality RG6 patch cables with quality F-connectors for North American use is what I'm after.

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mzb:

I already guessed that, just suggesting ^^

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mzb:

you can get twist-on connectors which do ok

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mzb:

much cheaper than buying cheap moulded cables

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stowaway:

hello

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mzb:

(and you get better cable out of it anyway)

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mzb:

if you want name-brand stuff keep an eye out for Belden quad-shield

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stowaway:

im trying to find my mythconfig.mak file in mythtv

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stowaway:

anyone know where it would be? i have myhtubuntu

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iamlindoro:

It would be wherevr you have the source

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iamlindoro:

if you never downloaded or compiled the source, you probably don't have it

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stowaway:

hmm... okay.

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stowaway:

ive downloaded the mythplugin source

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stowaway:

is there an equilavent command to this (dir /s mythconfig.mak)

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iamlindoro:

there's no mythconfig.mak in mythplugins

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iamlindoro:

erm, sorry, there is

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iamlindoro:

but it's doubtful that's the one whatever you're trying to compile wants

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iamlindoro:

Lemme guess, trying to compile mythstream

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mzb:

find somedir | grep mythconfig.mak

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tjcarter:

mzb: I'm just looking for some quality stuff.

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stowaway:

nar.

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stowaway:

im trying to get mythhello working

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tjcarter:

mzb: I'm NOT looking to pay US$10 for a 3ft patch cable

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mzb:

tjcarter: afaik, belden quad-shield RG6 is good

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tjcarter:

yeah I'm sure it is

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iamlindoro:

stowaway: still, it's going to need libmyth source, I would think, which requires compiling and installing myth from source

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mzb:

I'd guess you could byuy it by the foot, then a couple of bucks for the connectors

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mzb:

stripping it's another story ;)

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mzb:

you could probably buy a plastic stripper for $5

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stowaway:

i think i need to set PREFIX=/usr/ and LIBDIR=/usr/lib ..

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mzb:

s/byuy/buy

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iamlindoro:

stowaway: ok, I feel like you're not listening to what I have to say, I'm sure you'll figure out what you need

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stowaway:

no im listening.. im just not 100% understanding

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tjcarter:

mzb: yeah, but if I do that I'd be either using twist-on connectors (mostly okay) or compression connectors (great, but the tool isn't cheap!)

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mzb:

tjcarter: there is some other stuff (can't recall it's name) which is 000's per roll ... just depends how far you want to go ;)

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stowaway:

do i need to uninstall mythtv.

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stowaway:

then isntall it like make / make install type way

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stowaway:

amd ill have the soruce there?

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mzb:

tjcarter: and the problem is? :)

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mzb:

quad-shield RG6 (at least the Belden variant) is a *good* fit in a twist-on

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mzb:

ie: *bloody* tight!

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iamlindoro:

stowaway: what I'm telling you is the *certain* way to have all the headers necessary to compile against is to install myth from source. Yes, like ./configure (options), make, make install, etc. Can't speak for what mythbuntu includes by default.

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stowaway:

ahh

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stowaway:

okay

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stowaway:

so i think ill re-install ubuntu by it self. then instlal mythtv from source.. good practice anyway

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mzb:

you will need to see #mythbuntu for that

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iamlindoro:

writing and compiling a plugin against packaged myth sounds awfully dodgy to me, though

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stowaway:

okay. cool.

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cafuego:

libmyth-0.20 and libmyth-dev is what you'd need

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iamlindoro:

but presumably any plugin you write you will want included in the future, so you probably ought to develop against SVN trunk

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iamlindoro:

If it's just for you, it matters less

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stowaway:

well i doubt ill be making anything fantistic atleast for a couple of month. im still trying to get my head around linux

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tjcarter:

mzb: That the tool kit one would use for a proper job of crimp-on connectors is probably > $100.

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mzb:

tjcarter: coax stripper + twist-ons

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mzb:

and if you think water is going to get into it, coat the end with silicon ;)

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mzb:

(smear;)

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mzb:

btw: you *can* get hex crimping tools quite cheap

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mzb:

but when a twist on is so easy, and *can* do such a reasonable job there doesn't seem to be much point

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tjcarter:

I'm indoors here

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tjcarter:

http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat%5Fid=411&sku=41079 <-- those require a not-so-cheap tool

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mzb:

why do you want anything so complex?

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tjcarter:

Multiple boxes

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mzb:

http://jaycar.com.au/productResults.asp?which . . . mp;priceMax=

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mzb:

http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=PP063 . . . mp;SUBCATID=

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tjcarter:

Compression connectors are pretty much the standard for quality cables

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mzb:

I must have been scraping the bottom of the barrel for too long to notice

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mzb:

trying to get 20years out of a cable or something?

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mzb:

s/20/200

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tjcarter:

Nope, I'm just looking to replace the stuff that runs from my SWRD with something better than was prewired into this apartment 20 years ago.

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mzb:

http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=TH183 . . . mp;SUBCATID=

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tjcarter:

I don't wanna see the cost of a compression tool in AUD

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mzb:

it's not

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tjcarter:

it's fairly close to 50 USD

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mzb:

try us$30

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tjcarter:

For a compression tool?

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mzb:

it's just a hex crimper

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mzb:

(if screw-on's don't float your boat)

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mzb:

personally I think the compression ring is overkill for a residential install

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tjcarter:

It's not a bad idea when you're going to be maxing out the bandwidth on the coax.

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tjcarter:

It's also not that much more expensive nowadays

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mzb:

except for the tool!

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mzb:

:)

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mzb:

dm

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mzb:

time to watch some tv

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mzb:

bbl

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cafuego:

Of course, jaycar is not cheap, unlike say radio parts

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tjcarter:

The cost of the tool is the reason why I'm looking to buy prefab cables that use the proper connectors rather than the cheap molded crap

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presumptious85:

hello

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presumptious85:

cafuego:

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stowaway:

hey iamlondoro if i install ubuntu. then mythtv-0.20.tar.tar is that what u mean?

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Tuv0k:

anyone have experience with myth mysteriously losing sound?

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k-man__:

when i scan for channels, i get loads of channels that I don't want

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k-man__:

what is the mythtv way to deal with those channels? previously i have just gone into the database and deleted them manualy

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cafuego:

You can delete them in the channel editor in mythtv-setup

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cafuego:

... which would also delete from from the database, afaik.

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shane__:

hi all

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shane__:

how do i tune mythtv for channels in romania?

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shane__:

when i do a full scan no channels are found

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johndbritton:

is there a way to set the default video display to 4:3 zoom, or do i always have to press 'w' to toggle it on

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cafuego:

shane__: Did you tell the system to check the romanian channel ranges?

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shane__:

i set it europe-east

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shane__:

cafuego: i set it to europe-east. there is no specific settings for romania

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cafuego:

Hmm, ok. Dunno then. Cable plugged in ok?

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shane__:

cafuego: yes it worked under windows...

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cafuego:

Does it by any chance need firmware, which is missing?

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shane__:

cafuego: it is a bt878 based card... so i dont think it needs firmware... or does it?

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cafuego:

I dunno, I'm just running through what I think might be wrong

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k-man__:

do you need to do anything special so you can grab data for more than 1 data source?

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maki_d:

hi

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blackest:

hi

[10:49:28]

maki_d:

i have hauppage pvr-150 and i have it in the capture card menu but i cant scan chanels

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blackest:

you havent set up a guide source

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directhex:

maki_d, how is your input signal connected to the card?

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maki_d:

i dont have an guide source

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maki_d:

directhex: how do you mean/

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directhex:

1) no step in mythtv-setup is optional. all 5 steps need visiting IN ORDER or it won't work. 2) connected how as in "into the tuner? s-video? composite?"

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maki_d:

i choose tuner1 from the input connections menu but i have video source none

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blackest:

you need a nominal guide

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maki_d:

blackest: you mean a tv guide/

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blackest:

by that i mean a guide with a name doesnt actually need to be able to fetch guide data

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maki_d:

oh ok

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maki_d:

i got it

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blackest:

its called a guide but its really a table to store details about a card input

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maki_d:

now its scaning

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maki_d:

found nothing

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blackest:

ok whats connected to the ariel socket

[10:58:09]

maki_d:

maybe the tv format is not correct

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maki_d:

gonna call my cable provider

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directhex:

i think that would be "analog cable" then

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blackest:

hang on so your connecting analogue cable ?

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blackest:

who's your cable provider ?

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blackest:

how are you connecting to the cable via the stb ?

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blackest:

ah i see i was talking to my self

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blackest:

maki what country are you in

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tjcarter:

one of these days, I will figure out the right way to do a low-power Myth FE with no HD that goes into a very low power state when I press the remote's off button

[11:04:40]

directhex:

tjcarter, irexec and suspend?

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tjcarter:

directhex: probably not suspend per se so much as standby, diskless setup, and device control for speakers and LCD

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maki_:

must be an ivtv issue

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maki_:

the channel dont work withm ivtv too

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tjcarter:

directhex: I have this older ASUS SFF with nonstandard board that's got some AMD 2200+ in it.

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blackest:

maki give us a few clues about how you are connecting and we can probably help

[11:07:07]

tjcarter:

directhex: I don't recall, but it might be a Sempron

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tjcarter:

probably quite sufficient for a FE..

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tjcarter:

Limitations are that the thing is ugly and that the whole setup is designed for use with drives I obviously don't intend to include =)

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blackest:

maki try connecting something via composite and try scanning that

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maki_:

i'l try

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directhex:

"scan" composite?

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blackest:

yeah it should find a signal on every channel change admittedly the same channel but he should get smething in

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blackest:

if you were using a blaster you would be running a channel change script for each "channel"

[11:13:12]

blackest:

but anyway the point is to get something in to the box for a start

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maki_:

wierd

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maki_:

i get

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blackest:

you get .... ?

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maki_:

card 3 (type tuner 1) is set to start channel 3, wich does not exist.

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blackest:

ok delete the association between your guide and the tuner

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blackest:

then it will only look at the composite input on that card

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blackest:

you havent got a ch3 on the tuner coz you didnt fnd any channels!

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blackest:

how is the cable cnnected to your myth box ?

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blackest:

ok i'm giving up , i might as well go eat breakfast

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maki_:

blackest: the cable is connected to the tuner

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blackest:

maki: is the cable coming from your stb?

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justinh:

one of these days, a user coming in here asking for help will answer questions people ask in order to help them

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directhex:

justinh, liar full of lying lies

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justinh:

the test programs that come with ivtv (ivtvtune etc) are needed to set the channel the tuner er.. tunes to. if you just cat /dev/video0 or whatever it's unlikely you'll hit a working channel straight away

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directhex:

justinh, next you'll point out i was trying to determine just how he was physically connected just under an hour ago, and never got a proper answer

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justinh:

I could but I'd be stating the frickin obvious

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blackest:

chances are its digital cable and a maximum of 1 analogue channel that being generated by the stb

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justinh:

and fwiw, you _cannot_ scan anything but an RF (antenna, aerial, call it what you will) input

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justinh:

(or cable, as in the cable cable, not just 'a cable')

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blackest:

if the cable providr still does analogue the stb will block the analog channels coming in , even if the cable provider does have unencrypted analogue channels

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blackest:

but with no frickin answers its all guess work and a waste of time trying to help

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maki_:

i have tried kmplayer & kdetv, the problem must be in ivtv

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justinh:

maki_: are you going to answer the basic question people have asked or just keep saying how it's not working?

[11:46:09]

justinh:

without knowing basic details it's impossible to help. last chance

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maki_:

no

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maki_:

the cable is analoge via an coaxial cable

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justinh:

right, so it's not going in via a box provided by the cable company. progress

[11:48:03]

blackest:

if you plug that cable from your mythbox into a tv and scan for channels does it find any ?

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justinh:

it's not unusual for an analogue scan to fail in my experience, anyway

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justinh:

and the thing with doing mplayer /dev/video0 or whatever is that the tuner will just be tuned to some _random_ channel which may or (more likely) may not contain an actual TV channel. you need to use ivtvtune or whatever they call it now to try & tune it to an active frequency

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blackest:

he's an idiot

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justinh:

how many idiots does it take to change a lightbulb? who knows, all they do is stand there saying the bulb's blown

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directhex:

poor justinh. even when he's being nice and helpful he gets nowhere

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justinh:

damned if I do, damned if I don't. oh it's a good life ;)

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directhex:

epic win for justinh!

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maki_d:

mythtv doesent find nothing from the cable, i have also tried with an antenna

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blackest:

does a tv connected to the cable find channels ?

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blackest:

by cable i mean the bit of coax your connecting to your myth box

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maki_d:

the tv works good

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blackest:

ok are you in the uk?

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justinh:

effinelle. what black magic is the fillList() function doing in tvplaybackbox.cpp ? I thought it'd be a fairly simple mysql query spurting the results into a QArray or something

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maki_d:

no, i'm in macedonia, south-east europe

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maki_d:

using hauppage pvr 150

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justinh:

when you run the test with mplayer /dev/video0 do you see 'snow' ?

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justinh:

is the card definitely being set up by ivtv properly? does dmesg report the firmware loading correctly etc?

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maki_d:

i see input but its red

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justinh:

that's not right

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directhex:

firmware?

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justinh:

directhex: yeah firmware. pvr cards need firmware to be worky

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justinh:

(!)

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directhex:

justinh, i meant the problem as described. red sounds rather odd

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directhex:

a bit like webcams showing green

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directhex:

sans firmware

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maki_d:

dmesg says

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maki_d:

IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=87.120.220.30 DST=77.28.0.46 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=113 ID=43644 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=1502 DPT=11220 WINDOW=65535 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0

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directhex:

dial-up! explains a lot

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maki_d:

so i need to change the firmware /

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directhex:

you just pasted a single line relating to networking

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justinh:

maki_d: drop the output of dmesg |grep ivtv into a pastebin.ca page

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maki_d:

i didnt get any output

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blackest:

ok i think macedonia is pal for cable

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maki_d:

yes pal-bg

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blackest:

did you get anything when you connected something to the composite input of the card ?

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blackest:

a dvd player or video or maybe composite output from stb

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blackest:

which linux are you using ?

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maki_d:

archlinux

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mzb_d800:

iamlindoro: re previous conversation: http://www.abc.net.au/rage/playlist/

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maki_d:

one moment, i need to get the dvd player from the basement

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blackest:

ok

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maki_d:

i scanned the composite outputs and i didnt get nothing

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maki_d:

the dvd works fine on the tv

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maki_d:

i have white noise on mplayer from the dvd

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blackest:

ok do you have xawtv ?

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maki_d:

i will install it now

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maki_d:

ok i installed it

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blackest:

i think that should work with the pvr you can easily change inputs with that with the pvr150 there are 2 composite inputs i think and 1 svhs hopefully on one of the composite inputs you will get a signal

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blackest:

just run xawtv it should pick up the card

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maki_d:

it shows nothing

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blackest:

try changing inputs in xawtv it will default to tv which will be static#

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maki_d:

http://rafb.net/p/8YZyD719.html

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mzb_d800:

that looks more like an output (X config) error than an input (capture) error

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mzb_d800:

follow advice above and get the card firmware loading properly

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mzb_d800:

(and confirm it!!)

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maki_d:

how do you mean /

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blackest:

ok this is getting beyond me, you need someone more competent than me

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mzb_d800:

maki_d: google for pvr150, and look in the wiki for it

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mzb_d800:

there *must* be ways of setting up the card properly, and diagnosing it

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maki_d:

blackest: thanks for the help, and sorry for the lag, net problems ...

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mzb_d800:

randomly trying all sorts of video apps is not a good method of diagnosis

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mzb_d800:

do some reading first, work out which ones are *actually* addressing the issues

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blackest:

well think its moved the problem from mythtv to the card isn't set up properly

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mzb_d800:

find out if all the modules for the card are loaded correctly

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mzb_d800:

find out if the (mythtv) user has permissions to access the device node(s)

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mzb_d800:

etc

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mzb_d800:

the docs you will find will hint at these ... better docs will go into more detail <-- follow these ones in preference to some script kiddie who got a battery operated screwdriver for Christmas!

[12:29:09]

mzb_d800:

mythtv docs are *probably* better (given enough diagnostic detail)

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maki_d:

ok, i got snow showing while dvd was inserted so the permission is ok

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ma9mwah:

anyone running trunk/0.21-fixes thats got a minute to help me check something?

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mzb_d800:

maki_d: how can you possibly come to the conclusion that permissions for the capture card are correct based on the fact you get nothing meaningful when the DVD is inserted?

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laga_:

re

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ma9mwah:

if you can load mythweb and then hover over the TV icon on the top and see if the 'MythWeb: Sat Feb 23, 2008, 12:28 PM' text changes to 'TV Function, includes programmes' or not

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mzb_d800:

not running fixes, but yes

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ma9mwah:

what browser?

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maki_d:

well when the dvd was not connected i get red background ( the same as the blue background when there is no composite out on the tv) and when i connected it i got dark snow

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mzb_d800:

firefox

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mzb_d800:

maki_d: so how does that prove the the permissions are correct on the capture card device nodes?

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mzb_d800:

AND how does is prove that the card is even working?

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ma9mwah:

mzb_d800, do you know what build your on?

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maki_d:

mzb_d800: well the snow is made in the tv tunner, as far is i know

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mzb_d800:

loungetv:~# mythfrontend --version | egrep "code|Branch"

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mzb_d800:

Source code version : 15374

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mzb_d800:

SVN Branch : branches/mythtv-multirec/version.pro

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mzb_d800:

bit old .. a bit slack ;)

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mzb_d800:

maki_d: you don't seem to be following a logical diagnostic procedure ... do some googling, please ... and search for docs I've suggested

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jeffery:

are there any tools to import videos so I can watch them on myth ?

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mzb_d800:

yes

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mzb_d800:

see contrib dir

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ma9mwah:

hmm.. need to see if this is a new bug or not. thanks

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jeffery:

cool

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** jeffery looks **

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mzb_d800:

jeffery: ie: myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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jeffery:

mzb_d800, thanks mate

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mzb_d800:

np

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mzb_d800:

*cobber* ;)

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jeffery:

hmm I can't import ogg files

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mzb_d800:

err

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mzb_d800:

sorry

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jeffery:

$ext = "{nuv,mpg,mpeg,avi}";

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mzb_d800:

I though you meant into recordings

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mzb_d800:

put them in videos dir (mythvideo)

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jeffery:

oh ok

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mzb_d800:

and use (eg) mplayer as a custom command for that file extension

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mzb_d800:

not sure if internal player does ogg (mkv?)

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jeffery:

will try

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blackest:

maki http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/2930 might be useful if not a bit old

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mzb_d800:

jeffery: you then need to go into mythvideo setup to rescan before trying to play, so that files are in the db (jic you didn't know;)

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jeffery:

ah thanks mate..

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laga_:

morning justinh

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justinh:

morning laga_

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** justinh plunders more source code to find the magical formula to get a nice list of stuff out of the database **

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** laga_ works on diskless stuff and gets all emo over his broken IR receiver **

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justinh:

ahh void ProgramRecPriority::FillList(void) is where to go for the goodies I need

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ma9mwah:

justinh, you running version >15861?

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justinh:

nah I don't run trunk on my main system

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justinh:

not likely to upgrade to 0.21 right away after the release either

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laga_:

smart move :)

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laga_:

gotta try projectx support in mytharchive \o/

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ma9mwah:

anyone else running >15861?

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mzb_d800:

I'll get around to doing my lan-wide updates involving lvm-snapshots one day ;)

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laga_:

ma9mwah: why don't you ask a question?

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mzb_d800:

might have to do some tricks with union mounts though

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mzb_d800:

he did ... earlier

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laga_:

union mounts? :) i like aufs (another unionfS)

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laga_:

unionfs doesn't work well with nfs here :/

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mzb_d800:

ah really? thanks I'll look into that

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laga_:

ma9mwah: new "release" every monday and the developer is responsive on the mailing list. nice project IMHO

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laga_:

ma9mwah: if you use ubuntu: aufs will be included in the next release (hardy)

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mzb_d800:

laga_: what does "not well" include?

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mzb_d800:

I don't use ubuntu for my mythtv systems

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mzb_d800:

(err.... apart from the editing machine)

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laga_:

mzb_d800: um. ubuntu comes with an old, patched version which would OOPS if NFS was the root file system (read-only). now it's just broken if your use NFS as the copy-on-write branch

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laga_:

not sure if it'd affect you, unionfs seems to work well for many people. just thought i'd mention aufs :)

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mzb_d800:

hmm .. not sure if that's going to affect me, but I'll keep it in mind

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mzb_d800:

I'd prefer to use something with a few more whiskers ;) (and users)

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mzb_d800:

thanks for the heads up, though

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laga_:

yeah, unionfs is in the kernel which makes it really handy

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mzb_d800:

I only use nfsv3 if that makes a difference

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mzb_d800:

err ... for mythtv purposes anyway ;)

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laga_:

i was using nfsv3, too. keep in mind that i was using a somewhat uncommon setup, i doubt it's a big problem

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clever[rev]:

ive tried union before

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clever[rev]:

to layer a build dir over a src dir of myth

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clever[rev]:

so several distro's could share a src

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mzb_d800:

that's what I'm thinking

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clever[rev]:

both sides of the unionfs where on nfs

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clever[rev]:

i came back after leaving it to compile

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clever[rev]:

locked up solid:P

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clever[rev]:

im now sharing the --prefix for all my related systems

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** laga_ chuckles at http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/job/431763/teenage . . . tion-manager **

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mzb_d800:

I can imagine there will be issues ... I'll deal with them as I find them

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clever[rev]:

./configure --prefix=/media/mainlv/root/7.10/

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clever[rev]:

and thats nfs'ed between all the ubuntu 7.10 systems

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mzb_d800:

yeah ... sounds ugly

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clever[rev]:

it works great

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mzb_d800:

not all my machines are identical

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clever[rev]:

only 1 is not 7.10

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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clever[rev]:

and thats the master hosting the nfs share:P

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clever[rev]:

6.06 without any --prefix

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clever[rev]:

i still have 2 seperate src dir's

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mzb_d800:

I've got different cpu's, etc .... running various different flavours ... no way am I doing that method

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laga_:

use packages :)

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clever[rev]:

but thats better then 5

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clever[rev]:

im using the same build across everything from a P2 to a c2d

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laga_:

i'm building .debs of trunk (well, -0-21-fixes atm) for feisty i386 and gutsy i386 and amd64. works great.

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clever[rev]:

on 5 seperate systems

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laga_:

it's scripted. it takes a while but it's really nice to have your own repo (using falcon). just apt-get update/upgrade on the boxes and it's done

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clever[rev]:

ive thought of making a .deb but the rules file isnt in the svn

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mzb_d800:

all my systems have slight variations, so each mythbox needs to build it's own

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laga_:

clever[rev]: https://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbun . . . weekly-build

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mzb_d800:

packages would make little difference

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clever[rev]:

i dont even need to apt-get half the time

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clever[rev]:

only minor thing is the odd need to ldconfig half the boxes

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mzb_d800:

the underlying issue is maintaining the different source dirs

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laga_:

clever[rev]: there's also a branch on launchpad which holds the packaging scripts itself.

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clever[rev]:

it seems trivial to make a script which will svn up 5 diff folders

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clever[rev]:

and then nfs the src out to all the systems

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laga_:

clever[rev]: there's no trunk branch atm as 0-21-fixes is where it's at these days

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mzb_d800:

clever[rev]: atm my current approach involves having a "virgin" src dir which is rsynced to the various build dirs for each host

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clever[rev]:

im also using distcc between 3 of my frontends

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clever[rev]:

and i often use the c2d as the central point to recompile from

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mzb_d800:

I'd prefer something more "clever" ... but I'll have to sort out a few other things first

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clever[rev]:

and the code somehow still works fine on the PII

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laga_:

mzb_d800: looks like clever[rev] isn't living up to his nickname then..

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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mzb_d800:

if the latest plan of friend comes to fruition I might put some more work into it, as I'd have to do a netboot image anyway

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Dagmar:

laga_ No we just have a different definition than most about what it means when a user is being "clever"

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Dagmar:

To that end, he's been dead-on since day one.

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mzb_d800:

heh

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** mzb_d800 ducks **

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maki_d:

i think i found the problem with my tv card http://rafb.net/p/0yQGXO69.html

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Dagmar:

So the answer to that should be pretty obvious then

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Dagmar:

Set the tuner type or stop using framegrabber cards.

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maki_d:

Dagmar: hauppage is not framegrabber as i know

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Dagmar:

Which card do you have?

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Dagmar:

Some of their older ones and a few of their current models are indeed framegrabbers.

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Dagmar:

I just jumped on the framegrabber thing because it's a _common_ problem of framegrabbers to not detect the tuner correctly and then just give up

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maki_d:

pvr 150 wintv

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Dagmar:

...which is where filtering dmesg for keywords without any context _fails_

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Dagmar:

So pastebin your whole dmesg

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Dagmar:

...or whatever comes out in /var/log/syslog when the ivtv driver is loaded.

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** laga_ yells at mksquashfs for being slow **

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Dagmar:

buy moar cpus

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Dagmar:

maki: It's rather likely it's trying to tell you something more detailed than just that one line repeated over and over

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laga_:

Dagmar: iz got 2 cpus. virtualbox naw SMP

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maki_d:

Dagmar: i will try to start with the debug option

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Dagmar:

You could try just reading the full output in the log

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Dagmar:

You shoudln't need to turn on extra debugging for this

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Dagmar:

The ivtv driver is pretty verbose when it doesn't like something.

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maki_d:

http://rafb.net/p/qMQ0bx43.html

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Dagmar:

Man something is seriously boned over tehre

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Dagmar:

It looks like the modules are being loaded completely in the wrong order

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Dagmar:

...or something _other_ than your PVR-150 card is causing tuner.ko to be loaded FAR too early

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Dagmar:

It _eventually_ gets set correctly: "Feb 23 15:37:51 archer tuner 0–0061: chip found @ 0xc2 (ivtv i2c driver #0)"

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maki_d:

any idea what might it be?

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Dagmar:

Digging

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Dagmar:

"Feb 23 15:31:01 archer tveeprom 0–0050: Encountered bad packet header [ff]. Corrupt or not a Hauppauge eeprom."

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maki_d:

what that means ?

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Dagmar:

It means something went wrong when the tveeprom module loaded

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maki_d:

i will reboot and the i will modeprobe the modules one by one to see

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maki_d:

brb

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Dagmar:

I suspect maybe he's not got a working i2c driver but we'll see

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defaultro:

morning folks, what is the command again to display a file's checksum?

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defaultro:

is it md5?

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justinh:

md5sum

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justinh:

lol @ yet another post about not being able to play h.264 1080p mkv files. I _wonder_ where they come from

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lanuser:

Hello ?

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justinh:

ola?

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lanuser:

Hi justinh: do you have any expierence with serial ir blasters?

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lanuser:

Does anyone here have experience with home built serial ir blasters?

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Dagmar:

The wiki does.

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Hoxzer:

Yes, dont plug diode wrong way or you will epically fail.

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Hoxzer:

s/plug/soldner

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Dagmar:

Most of us are pretty much sick of typing things that are already in the wiki

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lanuser:

Would DMESG look like this if the blaster was contructed incorrectly? --> http://www.pastebin.ca/915190

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lanuser:

Hoxzer should the striped end of the diode be closest to the LED?

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kristok:

a question about channels

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kristok:

I have directv and an hdhomerun

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Dagmar:

lanuser: For a serial device, dmesg output is going to be pretty useless.

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kristok:

and some of the channels like "KNBCDT" show up in both of the lineups

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Dagmar:

The wiki lists _several_ places that sell IR transcievers for cheap.

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Dagmar:

If you don't know circuit design, you should probably use one.

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lanuser:

Dagmar: I do have a curcuit design, but the stripes on my diode don't match those on the diode on the design

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lanuser:

Also

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Anduin:

lanuser: If you eventually give up, the MCE remotes generally sell for about $30 USD. Always good to do one final pass over the schematic though and compare it to what you have.

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justinh:

there's generally only one stripe on a diode

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lanuser:

the Wiki is very LIGHT on the design and building of your own serial blaster

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Dagmar:

lanuser: So basically, you do not have the requisite knowledge necessary to do this.

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lanuser:

I only have one black stripe on the diode, the rest is honey colored

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Dagmar:

That's because it's not the wiki's job to teach people electronic circuit assembly.

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justinh:

so the black stripe is the cathode

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justinh:

i.e the arrow of the diode's schematic symbol points towards the stripe

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Dagmar:

...and you can't use "just any" diode you have lying around.

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Dagmar:

There are different types of diodes.

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justinh:

has to be a signal diode like a 1n4148

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Dagmar:

...just like there are different types of resistors, capacitors and transistors.

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lanuser:

I got a "universal" diode at Radio Shack, maybe it's not the right kind

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Dagmar:

*headdesk*

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justinh:

has to be a signal diode because signal diodes have a low forward voltage, i.e. it doesn't drop much voltage

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lanuser:

yup, that's what it is, 1n4148

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justinh:

yay!

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lanuser:

and a 1000ohm resistor

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lanuser:

for testing, if I replaced the IR LED with a standard red, or white LED, it should light up if everything was right, correct?

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justinh:

should do

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directhex:

justinh, you'll like this. did some more testing with the pico-itx. 1) the binary driver has no xvmc support either 2) their hacked mplayer DOESN'T support h264 (it says 'mpeg4', we both know how useful that tends to be) 3) their hacked mplayer, as well as being massively unstable, only works as root 4) the binary driver makes opengl even worse than with openchrome

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justinh:

worse? is that even possible? :O

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_sajko:

apperantly it is :P

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** _sajko ponders the idea of changing nick to Captain_obvious **

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directhex:

justinh, yes, believe it or not, it is

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directhex:

justinh, whilst quake 3 (9 years old) was actually smooth with unichrome (openchrome it was smooth then froze for 3 seconds every 10 seconds or so), at least it had "textures" with openchrome

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directhex:

as opposed to multicolored blobs

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directhex:

elisa showed two red lines and nothing more, rather than openchrome's "half the textures are white rectangles"

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justinh:

yeah well I couldn't really give a care about opengl – least not until mythtv gets some proper transitions & dumps the shitty fade

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directhex:

justinh, it was all strangely familiar. i had multicolored blob issues on my dad's old dell, when q3a was bleeding edge

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directhex:

justinh, via have built the smallest x86 computer 1998 has ever seen

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justinh:

that'd make a great tagline for the review!

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justinh:

and if they want to ship more boxes in future, they'd better up their game somewhat

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justinh:

I mean there's a mobile platform which can run quake3 now ffs

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directhex:

and via's x86 platform can't :)

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justinh:

well, I'm bored. time to give svn mplayer a flex

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** justinh pukes. had no idea mplayer had 'skins' **

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directhex:

sure, gmplayer is skinnable

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justinh:

like winamp skins, but not as good

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_sajko:

does anyone even use gmplayer?

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_sajko:

:P

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directhex:

justinh, unlike winamp skins, it can change the size & button layout of the player

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justinh:

winamp skins have been able to do that for ages

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directhex:

well, in WA3, sure. WA2 never could

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a1fa_:

anyone using xbmcmythtv?

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directhex:

i did for about 3 days, until i updated to 0.21 on the backend

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maki_d:

i compiled the kernel and now i still can't scan channels but i can watch TV in mythfrontend (seeing only black background)

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tank-man:

a1fa_, yes

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justinh:

well well well, just played that bbc hd test clip of kt tunstall. makes a lovely change seeing digital telly without any fecking artifacts

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tank-man:

_sajko, i use kmplayer, i didnt like gmplauncher scanning the SDHC everytime for video

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a1fa_:

what version

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a1fa_:

of mythtv

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tank-man:

my backend?

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justinh:

directhex: I'm gonna need some cooling on me cpu when I'm reddy for de hud :)

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a1fa_:

yea

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tank-man:

~$ mythbackend --version

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tank-man:

Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

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tank-man:

Source code version: 13128

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directhex:

justinh, had a play?

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a1fa_:

protocol?

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directhex:

justinh, bbchd fine with "-vo xv -lavdopts threads=2"?

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tank-man:

30 somthing

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justinh:

directhex: just went for the lowest common denominator mplayer -vo xv -vf pp=lb -lavdopts threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all /myth/bbc_hd_test.mpg

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a1fa_:

SVN branch : trunk

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a1fa_:

Library API version : 0.21.20080114–1

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a1fa_:

Network Protocol Version: 38

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a1fa_:

mine doesnt work :(

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justinh:

directhex: about 50% total cpu usage on my C2D T5600

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tank-man:

i think mine is still 30 or 31

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justinh:

38? bejeeses

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a1fa_:

what?

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maki_d:

:( i might have unsupported tv card

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maki_d:

its nternext Compression

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justinh:

maki_d: you might just be totally stabbing around trying things

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justinh:

and missing, woefully

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maki_d:

*Internext

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tank-man:

a1fa_, what is the problem you are having? mysql db problem?

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maki_d:

justinh: ?

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a1fa_:

it says it connection to mythbackend lost

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maki_d:

Internext Compression works ?

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justinh:

maki_d: you're obviously following any documents, just randomly trying things, stabbing at it

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justinh:

obviously *not* I mean

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maki_d:

http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=41246

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maki_d:

there is no document that says that it works

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justinh:

oh arch, I might have fucking known!

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a1fa_:

MythvServer Connection Failed.

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maki_d:

should i change distro ?

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tank-man:

maki_d, look at the ivtv utils if you want to change channels

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a1fa_:

debian 4 life

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tank-man:

the output from that says you didnt put the firmware in the right place for the ivtv drivers

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maki_d:

well i look at the freq of the channel in the TV, i run ivtv-tune -f $FREQ and mplayer gives me snow

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tank-man:

where did you put the firmware files and are they the correct firmware files?

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justinh:

tank-man: if he gets snow, firmware is loaded

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maki_d:

tank-man: the output on the forum isn't mine

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tank-man:

ok

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maki_d:

i just pasted it here because that user said that mine Internext Compression dont work on linux

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justinh:

that user was talking bollocks

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justinh:

pvr cards from hauppauge use those chips and are well known as working in linux with ivtv

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a1fa_:

hehe

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a1fa_:

aww

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a1fa_:

i was just about to buy HD cable

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a1fa_:

for sexbox

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maki_d:

100% there is a tech problem with the card

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justinh:

maki_d: if you get snow, the tuner is working, it just isn't _tuned_ to anything

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a1fa_:

check your gaytena

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maki_d:

the antenna works fine on the tv

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justinh:

maki_d: in mythtv-setup, I'm willing to bet that you didn't change the card type to MPEG2 ENCODER from the default 'V4L'

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maki_d:

i change it

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** justinh writes a howto for mythtv on arch linux **

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maki_d:

there is

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maki_d:

but for DVB card

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justinh:

here's my howto for arch linux: http://www.pastebin.ca/915298

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tank-man:

lame url :P

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maki_d:

:)

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maki_d:

mythbunto can run as live cd ?

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laga_:

heh

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laga_:

maki_d: yes. but not as backend

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a1fa_:

any live cds for xbox?

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laga_:

a1fa_: that makes even less sense than "gaytena"

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a1fa_:

shh

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justinh:

just in time for 0.21 being on the cusp of a release, there's mythtv 0.20.2 for xebian available now! :P

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a1fa_:

any :P

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justinh:

if you have no patience (like me) you won't tolerate mythtv on an xbox for long

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justinh:

it's a lot like wading through treacle with one difference. treacle tends not to crash much

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justinh:

but hey, it only takes 5 or 10 minutes to reboot back into linux on the xbox

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a1fa_:

:P

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a1fa_:

damn

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a1fa_:

thats why i like xbmc

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a1fa_:

it just works

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tank-man:

it is faster to use xbmcmythtv

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a1fa_:

its got youtube

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justinh:

wonder if they ever fixed the bug in xbmcmythtv that made crashy with long show titles

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a1fa_:

and picasa web

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a1fa_:

and flickr

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justinh:

mythtv could have if somebody could be arsed to write em

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justinh:

wouldn't be too difficult in theory :P

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laga_:

who needs web 2.0 anyways :)

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justinh:

arghhh I've done this once before, reading a mysql query result into a Q thingy. why can't I do it again?

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laga_:

justinh: look at the code you've written?

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justinh:

laga_: that code is long since gone. it was a patch for the dbox2 recorder

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directhex:

stupid dsl

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** justinh puts dsl in the pile on top of arch **

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directhex:

justinh, cool kids be runnin' arch?

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tank-man:

the cool kids pretend to run debian and slackware

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justinh:

cool kids take drugs & give each other STDs. they don't do arch

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directhex:

tank-man, slackware's for people too cool for 2.6 kernels

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tank-man:

slackware has 2.6 kernel as default now

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directhex:

:o sellout!

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a1fa:

i am cool kid

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a1fa:

i hate on ubuntu and i run debian

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directhex:

because nothing sucks more than debian w/ the stupid bits preconfigured

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** justinh hits delete one too many times. oops! **

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laga_:

nothing sucks more than debian w/ old software.

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laga_:

oops.

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a1fa:

nothing sucks more than a copy cat

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a1fa:

:P

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directhex:

a1fa, you're right. install dog instead

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directhex:

Description: Enhanced replacement for cat

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a1fa:

that was akward

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a1fa:

my uncle called me

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a1fa:

i havent talked to him in 5 years

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tank-man:

what did he want?

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tank-man:

money :)

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a1fa:

no

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a1fa:

they called me on my sip phone

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a1fa:

:P

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a1fa:

just to see how am i doing

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laga_:

do i want to upgrade mythtv thirty minutes before the SWMBO wants to watch TV?

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a1fa_:

SWMBO?

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a1fa_:

like BBW

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** a1fa_ is playint turrican 3 **

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a1fa_:

i am such a big fan of winuaex

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defaultro:

Thanks justinh

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** laga_ stabs a1fa_ **

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a1fa_:

why u stabbing me knee grow?

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kyle__:

hey i am trying to update to a more recent version of svn truck and i am getting this

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a1fa_:

i got all my amiga games backed up to xbox

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kyle__:

/usr/lib/nvidia/libGLcore.so.1: undefined reference to `_nv000042gl'

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kyle__:

when i compile

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kyle__:

i compiled fine like a month ago, did anything change?

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kyle__:

depedency wise

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laga_:

did you make distclean?

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kyle__:

yeah

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a1fa__:

yeeeyaaa

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a1fa__:

i got disconnected

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a1fa__:

fucking wireless

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a1fa__:

i have a headache now

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a1fa__:

its all your fault laga_

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a1fa__:

oh no

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a1fa__:

my dog farted on my shirt

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a1fa__:

:( ewww

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a1fa__:

<gag>

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a1fa__:

heh

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a1fa__:

;P

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iamlindoro:

damn straight

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iamlindoro:

dog *is* an enhanced replacement for cat

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** iamlindoro pats his puppy on the head **

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a1fa__:

he farts like crazy

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a1fa__:

woman fed him wet food last night

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directhex:

iamlindoro, ferret is technically an advanced replacement for cat

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a1fa:

i got a cat and a dog

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a1fa:

no replacement

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iamlindoro:

directhex: So is pet rock, pocket fluff, windshield wiper blade, and a variety of other similarly useless objects

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directhex:

iamlindoro, eats the same food, but unlike cats who are poingy kittens for 6 months then asleep for 10 years, ferrets are kitten-like for an hour, and asleep for 23 hours, daily, for life.

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directhex:

enhanced cat!

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iamlindoro:

directhex: I had a ferret during college, but she was deaf and it made her very ill tempered

[19:06:09]

iamlindoro:

so it wasn't the optimal ferret experience

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a1fa:

ferrets are b ad

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a1fa:

worst animals you can live with

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iamlindoro:

If you say so-- I have seen some extremely well behaved and nice ferrets

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iamlindoro:

they're *minimally* as smart as cats

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a1fa:

L:

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a1fa__:

my nut sack itches

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** iamlindoro scrolls back and realizes the whole morning has been a1fa talking to him self about nonsense **

[19:09:05]

iamlindoro:

I think he's off his meds

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a1fa__:

maybe i am a talking bot?

[19:09:45]

iamlindoro:

It's like a transcript from Xbox live

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directhex:

iamlindoro, liar. he hasn't called anyone "faget" yet

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iamlindoro:

directhex: He did refer to an antenna as a "gaytena," does that count?

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directhex:

oh. yes, it does

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a1fa__:

:P

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a1fa__:

i am playing silk worm

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directhex:

i should go play my new eggsbocks game when i'm done writing this aticle

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iamlindoro:

directhex: I *did* get Lost Oyssey, btw... it's not half bad, just haven't devoted much time at all to it yet

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directhex:

iamlindoro, i saw eternal sonata for 20 quid, and to be fair, it IS the best rpg set in the fevered dreams of a dying composer

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Have it, and it's definitely good (and visually stunning)... Voice acting good too

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directhex:

iamlindoro, japanese or english voices?

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iamlindoro:

I think if I had to pick the one thing that sometimes irritates the hell out of me in JRPGs, it's the token "Japanese Schoolgirl Cutesy 'Hee hee hee'" Character. There's ALWAYS one, she's ALWAYS a good guy, and I *always* wish I could find a way to kill her

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iamlindoro:

directhex: English-- my Japanese is... well, it's not. :)

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directhex:

iamlindoro, for my sins, i bought into .hack – and i have to say, having the "Japanese Schoolgirl Cutesy 'Hee hee hee'" disappear during the third game for pregnancy reasons, middle-aged housewife that she is, is a sorta cool variant on the cliche

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Haven't played it. At least it's a *variant* on the cliche... I think it was easier to ignore in the days before voice acting in games... could just press "X" in Final Fantasies VII, VIII, and IX. Nowadays you have to *hear* it all

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directhex:

iamlindoro, chrono trigger didn't have that cliche, either. it had the tomboy cliche and nerd chick cliche, though

[19:21:00]

iamlindoro:

directhex: Well CT *is* my favorite :)

[19:21:05]

directhex:

let's be fair, that's what a jrpg IS – 25 years of evolved cliches

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Speaking of which, I saw the "Chrono Resurrection" video the other day. It looked unbelievable, too bad they got shut down

[19:21:40]

directhex:

iamlindoro, on kotaku? yeah

[19:21:48]

iamlindoro:

yeah

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directhex:

iamlindoro, as i said in the kotaku comments, square have gone out of their way over the years to ensure i can't pay them for CT

[19:22:27]

iamlindoro:

I think they will *have* to revisit it at some point... possibly if they make the FFVII remake

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** hashbang w00ts **

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** hashbang now has working S/PDIF to his AV receiver **

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hashbang:

though sometimes output halts when the frontend is under load. :-/

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directhex:

iamlindoro, wake me when i have the option, as a european, to pay for CT

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Knowing square, you guys would actually get the more complete version with four extra endings and twelve bosses with infinity HP

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directhex:

iamlindoro, i doubt it. they've made sure to never release CT in europe. not on the snes, not the psx re-release, not part of final fantasy chronicles

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iamlindoro:

Wow, never realized you guys didn't get the SNES version

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directhex:

iamlindoro, they even moved the content of chronicles & anthology around to make sure europeans never got CT

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iamlindoro:

wow... any official explanation for that?

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directhex:

iamlindoro, they hate europeans

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directhex:

iamlindoro, see also: they won't put it on wii virtual console because "japanese gamers prefer boxed games"

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iamlindoro:

*eyeroll*

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: [ot]... 8" snow here... yuck... Don't you miss Boston/New England????

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: Sometimes, but not for that reason :)

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directhex:

iamlindoro, the first FF game released un europe was 7

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Jeez... consider me out of the loop, I never knew that

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directhex:

iamlindoro, i think the official line was "europeans don't play RPGs"

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: I think you offended "loops" when you said you were out of the loop... he left! ;-)

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iamlindoro:

directhex: If anything it's Americans that love murder and whore killing... RPGs are for thinking, nobody could accuse us of that

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iamlindoro:

That is, *virtual* murder and whore killing (mostly)

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: Heh... anyway, I don't envy you the snow... was just talking to a friend of mine who was going to her manicure in the snow. :) Different world, man...

[19:32:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

So, how's the latest SVN – pretty stable? I'm thinking up updating to it...been running 15336 since Jan 6th...

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: I was running 15500ish for a while until last night, and just SVN up'ed... seems ok so far... lots of change in the last month, though

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iamlindoro:

no crashes or anything so far, though

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I was looking through the commits... seemed like they never ended...

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directhex:

gearing up for release. happens.

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iamlindoro:

I know the multhithreaded playback has been added by default, with the new # of processors in playback profiles, that's been the obvious one I've seen so far

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J-e-f-f-A:

directhex: Cool... do we have a date for 0.21 yet? ;)

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directhex:

rsn

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iamlindoro:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

I think I'll just stick with 0.21 when it's released – I haven't been very dilagent keeping my remote frontends in sync, so they haven't worked for a while... been getting by with UPnP and Winblows playback for a while...

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Hey, it looks like they found & fixed the preview thumbnail issue with mythweb recorded programs screen — can you verify?

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iamlindoro:

Yep

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iamlindoro:

noticed that last night

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J-e-f-f-A:

awesome... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

strangely the ticket is still open, but oh well

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J-e-f-f-A:

I had commented it out of the php code... Besides that, it used to take 20+ seconds to load the page with thumbnails (300+ recordings), without the thumbnails takes like 3 seconds...

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I did the same

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J-e-f-f-A:

So is it still a little slow, or does it just add a few seconds now?

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maki_d:

the card what i have must be broken

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J-e-f-f-A:

maki_d: ?

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: I have so few recordings that I think I don't really have a metric, just a second or two

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Frosty:

Hey all :) Trying to compile v4l-dvb following the guide at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI . When I "make menuconfig" it requires a /lib/modules/2.6.22-3–686/build directory, and not a */source. I tried symlinking the source to that build directory instead and it doesn't like it :s

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maki_:

justinh: the card dont work on windows to

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maki_:

Thanks to all for the help and sorry for the amount of trolling i sended

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a1fa__:

hows the subtitle code coming along?

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directhex:

iamlindoro!

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iamlindoro:

?

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iamlindoro:

What'd I do? (looks around shiftily)

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directhex:

want to read through draft 1 of my px10000g review?

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iamlindoro:

sure

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iamlindoro:

It's not like justinh's arch install guide, is it? :)

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directhex:

not if i want to get paid it's not

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hashbang:

Frosty: which distro are you using?

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Frosty:

debian lenny, after install linux-headers-`uname -r` the modules directory had the "build" directory it needed. Although I can't do a "menuconfig" .. a "make" is currently working okay (crosses fingers), so may be okay :)

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directhex:

you can't run menuconfig on linux-headers-`uname -r`

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Frosty:

I'm not making a kernel

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Frosty:

its v4l-dvb :)

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Frosty:

it requires some stuff from the modules

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Frosty:

but don't ask me to explain any further than that cuz I'm noob :)

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Frosty:

I'm a copy-paste, how-to user!

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hashbang:

Frosty: a quick tip – try getting it going with the standard drivers in the kernel you already have

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Frosty:

aha I can do that?

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hashbang:

Frosty: certainly with FC8, the Nova-T 500 works with the standard kernel, bar the remote (which I don't use)

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Frosty:

I noticed in dmesg it only complained of a missing firmware, which I've installed

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hashbang:

Frosty: it's worth a try – one less step to do.

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Frosty:

ok, v4l-dvb compiled okay, but I wont install, I'll reboot and see how it goes, thanks for the tip

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directhex:

anyway, time to actually have a bit of fun

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Rigolo:

good evening .. what can I do to get bug #3640 included in the 0.21 release? dvb-c scanning and usage is broken for all mythtv users that are using the @home, casema and multikabel dvb-c networks in the netherlands

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iamlindoro:

you'll have to blow a dude

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Rigolo:

:-)

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Zathraz:

hi. I finally got mythmovie to work with spdif. Problem is that when I play a movie all actors seem to impersonate Donald Duck

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Zathraz:

any ideas please?

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Rigolo:

Zathraz: better be carefull, Disney has a patent on that technology :-)

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iamlindoro:

sounds like sampling frequency is set wrong

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iamlindoro:

but I'm going AFK, so you'll have to look into that yourself

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Zathraz:

yep. But how do I fix that?

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gumby600m:

Hi, I'm using mythbuntu 7.10 and I can't get my channel listing from schedulesdirect.org. The mythsetup finds the correct "Data Direct lineup", but the "Channel Scanner" doesn't find any channels. I'm using a DCT6200 + firewire & an analog ATI TV Wonder card. Any ideas???

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bbeattie:

Has anyone managed to get blu-ray h.264 playback working well? I've got a e6600 core 2 duo 2.4ghz and it's not fast enough for it. VC1 takes 30% of the cpu. It also appears my nvidia 8800 is worthless since nvidia doesn't have xvmc or xbmc support for hardware decoding supported. I'm not sure if I'd have better luck with an ATI card. Any comments or anyone know of people getting it working decently?

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J-e-f-f-A:

bbeattie: btw: I don't think xvmc works with h.264... – I think xvmc is currently only for mpeg2...

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Rigolo:

for hardware support for H.264 decoding you better have a look at doom9 .. they are doing there best to get things working

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hashbang:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, I was told that too, a while back.

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Dagmar:

bbeatle: Google would have already told you you were just screwed

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Dagmar:

Under Linux, you will _never_ have "better luck" with an ATI card.

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Rigolo:

this is not really mythtv related ... but NDA related :-)

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iamlindoro:

and there is no h.264 hardware accel of any card under linux

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iamlindoro:

so doom9 won

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iamlindoro:

won't do you any good

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iamlindoro:

besides, with that machine, hardware accel is unnecessary. it's doubtless either the wrong player or the wrong options

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thedead:

hey all

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thedead is now known as HTPC-DVBS

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iamlindoro:

mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -monitoraspect 16:9 -lavdopts threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all -sws 0 filename.ext is the best way to try.

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HTPC-DVBS:

i try to add a 2nd card i get a wierd error

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HTPC-DVBS:

error 22

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Jester86:

hey guys

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HTPC-DVBS:

when adding a 2nd dvb-s card to myth do i have to redo the drivers?

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jarle_:

HTPC-DVBS: which drivers?

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turbolover:

he y guys is it possible to use mythtv in a virtual machine so i could use it and windows games without rebooting my pc?

[21:18:16]

HTPC-DVBS:

dsvba

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HTPC-DVBS:

dvb-s

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HTPC-DVBS:

drivers

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HTPC-DVBS:

?

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turbolover:

as long as it had access to the card i suppose

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turbolover:

thats interesting

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HTPC-DVBS:

i have 2 same cards

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HTPC-DVBS:

it sees one not the other

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mick_home:

this may sound crazy, but how do i change channels :)

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jarle_:

mick_home: many ways... easiest is using the program guide ('m' -> program guide) (or 'S')

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mick_home:

thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

mick_home: Unless you're talking about changing channels on an external tuner box, ie sat or cable box... that's a whole different story...

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jarle_:

mick_home: ...or you can use the arrowkeys or just enter the channel number if you know that...

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mick_home:

arrowkeys don't work

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mick_home:

i have a pcHDTV card

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mick_home:

up/down makes the OSD show up

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mick_home:

i get a signal from an over the air antennae

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J-e-f-f-A:

mick_home: Ok, so you don't need an IR blaster... Do you have your listings setup?

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mick_home:

i did a channel scan — and my listings don't work (says not authorized)

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mick_home:

i think it is a screw up from SD

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mick_home:

i created the user/pass 3 days ago

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bbeattie:

iamlindoro: even with those options, frames skip, audio skips, ..

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iamlindoro:

Then you have issues not related to CPU speed. I can play full rips with a 2.2 Ghz E4400

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mick_home:

i take it that the display jerks due to the fact that i have 512 ram

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iamlindoro:

bbeattie: What graphic drivers do you have installed?

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mick_home:

my box is also 2 gigahertz

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bbeattie:

I can play most dvd's but casino royale just doesn't keep up

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mick_home:

i can play dvds just fine, but tv is a bit wacky

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bbeattie:

8800gt

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iamlindoro:

bbeattie: Graphics *drivers*

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bbeattie:

newest nvidia drivers

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bbeattie:

well,as of two weeks ago

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iamlindoro:

bbeattie: you need to look outside of CPU speed... like I said, one of my two boxes is lower spec than yours, and I can play Casino Royale without issue on it

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mick_home:

how can i just channel surf (next/prev)? "s" gives me the guide which has a weird vid on the top left — and top right says "loading video"

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Dagmar:

mick_home: You can pretty much rule out your screen jerking due to RAM

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Dagmar:

Do some math

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bbeattie:

iamlindoro: interesting... ... I'll have to see if it's just this disk, it's my first h.264 disk

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mick_home:

Dagmar: meaning that it *is* due to it or that it isn't?

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iamlindoro:

bbeattie: shouldn't be... like I said, I own the same movie, ripped it myself, and have played it fine on a 2.2 Ghz E4500

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mick_home:

like i said dvds are fine

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Dagmar:

mick_home: A 1024x768x32bpp image only takes up 18Mb of video RAM

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Dagmar:

512Mb is WAY more than enough

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mick_home:

i didn't know if it was some wacky tuner thing

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Dagmar:

Video games load MASSIVE amounts of textures and polys into cards, which is why games need craptons of ram

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Dagmar:

Video playback is not memory-consumptive

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mick_home:

well i wish that i liked basketball

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mick_home:

since that is all i can see atm ;)

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mick_home:

i also play AssaultCube on this thing just fine

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mick_home:

Dagmar: well, what could it be?

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mick_home:

btw – left/right arrows tries to do a "skip"

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bbeattie:

iamlindoro: yours is blu-ray not hd-dvd? (hd-dvd is lower quality I'm guessing since the blu-ray title is 36GB which couldn't fit on a hd-dvd

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bbeattie:

.. I'm just trying to rule out all I can before I dig too deap.

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iamlindoro:

bbeattie: I'm not aware of any HD-DVD copy of Casino Royale, it's a Sony Pictures Release, and yes, it's Blu-ray

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bbeattie:

k

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Dagmar:

mick_home: Having no idea what you're playing and what you're trying to do with it, I can't even begin to guess

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bbeattie:

thanks for the info, I'll check into system stuff more.

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bbeattie:

iamlindoro: do you have any rtc set?

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Dagmar:

hd-dvd is not "lower quality"

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Dagmar:

Please read

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bbeattie:

it is if they can't fit the same amount of data and have to lessen the video quality to fit it on a hd-dvd

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iamlindoro:

nope, no rtc

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mick_home:

Dagmar: just watch tv, i have a pcHDTV tuner, 2 gighertz box, i get my signal from an anntennae (which is a good signal — stb works just fine)

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directhex:

bbeattie, has never happened

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directhex:

bbeattie, as it happens, on average, hd-dvd has MORE stuff on it, e.g. 300 had many more extras

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mick_home:

ok, i just recorded something (randomly) — to play it, it still has crap quality and it is slow, but the little version of the video goes at the right speed and looks right

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mick_home:

"lil version" is under "select a recording to watch"

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iamlindoro:

movie size-wise, all the blu-ray people seem to love to end up with a movie around 20 GB (douchebags, saving money on single layer disks)... I only have a few where the move gets above 30 GB... Casino Royale, and the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. The extra 33% bitrate makes a big difference visually, even though they look great regardless

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iamlindoro:

not that that wasn't true for HD-DVD, of course, most ofthose movies seemed to end up around 20 GB too

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directhex:

how many mpeg2 releases are there? those are the ones that deserve to be shitbinned

[21:50:51]

mick_home:

ah! i stopped the recording and it is fast (ok, it is fast for a bit)

[21:50:59]

mick_home:

quality sucks though

[21:51:15]

Dagmar:

directhex: You better be glad I wasn't watching when you and tank-man were talking about Slackware.

[21:51:22]

mick_home:

i'm looking it on a westtinghouse monitor

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iamlindoro:

I've got a... well, a small number. It's mostly AVC/h.264... I have the Discovery Atlas Series, which is 1080*i* mpeg-2... actually, surprisingly, the HD-DVD Star Trek TOS is mpeg-2 also

[21:52:08]

iamlindoro:

and I got Eragon for free, I think that's mpeg-2 also

[21:52:29]

mick_home:

not to mention, i have no sound :)

[21:52:33]

mick_home:

just noticed thattt

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mick_home:

:)

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iamlindoro:

I can forgive the discovery atlas, though, I imagine they just pressed their Hiscovery Channel HD straight to disk

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: That would also involve you having to actually _watch_ Eragon tho

[21:53:04]

iamlindoro:

Dagmar: hehe, ffmpeg -i :)

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directhex:

Dagmar, one glib comment isn't "talking about"

[21:54:35]

Dagmar:

I still think someone's going to cry when they watch Manos: Hands of Fate tho

[21:55:09]

Dagmar:

I have thankfully blotted out the name of the person claiming they couldn't believe anything could be worse than Uwe Boll's movies

[21:55:41]

Dagmar:

I just can't respect someone who could be that wrong.

[21:56:17]

iamlindoro:

In fairness it's tough to make the comparison without having seen Manos

[21:56:37]

iamlindoro:

because its hard to wrap your brain around just how *bad* it truly is

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Dagmar:

It's about the difference between the word "hot" in two different contexts.

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iamlindoro:

It's like explaining "red" to a blind person

[21:56:56]

Dagmar:

Uwe Boll is like saying "it's hot out today"

[21:57:08]

Dagmar:

Manos: Hands of Fate is like saying "The center of the sun is very hot"

[21:57:47]

Dagmar:

It can be "unbearably hot" outside, and it's still nothing compared to the nuclear furnace at the core of Sol

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ChrisC35:

hi

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ChrisC35:

is KnoppMyth or LinuxMCE a good way to setup a home theature box (with a tv card) ?

[22:13:49]

mick_home:

KnoppMyth is a bit older

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ChrisC35:

which is easier?

[22:14:06]

mick_home:

mythbuntu or mythdora may be better choices

[22:14:16]

ChrisC35:

ah

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ChrisC35:

i want an easy solution

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DGnome:

linuxmce sucks

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ChrisC35:

dont want to have to learn have to recompile, etc

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directhex:

linux mce is not a media center

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directhex:

it's home automation software with a small tv element

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ChrisC35:

what I want is pvr functions, to be able to record tv shows, etc

[22:15:46]

ChrisC35:

i have a box and a hauppage tv card for it

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DGnome:

mythbuntu atleast sounds good

[22:16:02]

mick_home:

hmm, that sounds familiar

[22:16:02]

mick_home:

does that have to do w/ PlutoHome?

[22:16:39]

mick_home:

mythbuntu is good, but it requires a few tweaks (like how imdb.pl is broken – need to replace it w/ the one from trunk)

[22:16:47]

ChrisC35:

what is plutohome?

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directhex:

mick_home, linux mce is a plutohome distro

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DGnome:

ChrisC35: go for mythbuntu

[22:17:25]

mick_home:

i used to work there – lol

[22:17:28]

ChrisC35:

is mythdora esier?

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DGnome:

ChrisC35: if it works, it will propably be the easiest

[22:17:47]

DGnome:

ChrisC35: mythbuntu..

[22:17:47]

ChrisC35:

mythbuntu?

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ChrisC35:

ok

[22:18:16]

ChrisC35:

can i set it up while its attached to the tv? or do I have to have a regular monitor on the box

[22:18:35]

mick_home:

ChrisC35: what kind of "regular tv" do you have?

[22:18:44]

ChrisC35:

crappy CRT

[22:18:46]

mick_home:

i connect to my tv via vga

[22:19:03]

ChrisC35:

well the tv card has the svideo out

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mick_home:

there ya go :-P

[22:19:29]

ChrisC35:

i mean you cant see text on regualar os stuff on a tv

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directhex:

reading text is certainly a challenge with sdtv

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mick_home:

with video it works

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mick_home:

:)

[22:21:48]

mick_home:

fucking tuner is still "watching tv" for some reason

[22:21:52]

mick_home:

how do i kill it?

[22:22:38]

jams:

restart the backend

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mick_home:

well i killed everything that was touching /dev/video0

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mick_home:

i <3 fuser :)

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ChrisC35:

how does mythtv compare to a commercial app like beyondtv?

[22:27:03]

DGnome:

ChrisC35: mythv is free :)

[22:27:07]

DGnome:

for starters

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ChrisC35:

yes besides the obvious price difference

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DGnome:

free as in freedom

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directhex:

ChrisC35, significantly better tv functionality, less flashy ui

[22:27:48]

DGnome:

and I really do think that MythTV is more verstile

[22:28:02]

directhex:

ChrisC35, and much more extensible

[22:28:06]

DustyBin:

mplayer can play apple lossless (ALAC), does that mean mythtv can also play those files?

[22:28:08]

ChrisC35:

is it easy enough to use for my girlfriend?

[22:28:22]

DGnome:

ChrisC35: my gf groks myth :)

[22:28:25]

directhex:

ChrisC35, if you put in the time & energy getting a remote going, sure

[22:28:32]

directhex:

ChrisC35, my wife uses it more than i do

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mick_home:

DustyBin: yes

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DustyBin:

cool :D

[22:28:49]

ChrisC35:

ya it would need to have the remote working

[22:29:02]

ChrisC35:

the hauppage comes with a remote

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DGnome:

hauppauge remotes work generally well

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mick_home:

DustyBin: if you have a mac, i'd use that for the frontend (to not have to deal with the pains of getting a remote working on linux)

[22:29:15]

iamlindoro:

actually, I'm fairly certain MythMusic *cannot* handle ALAC

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ChrisC35:

will that not work out of the box, so to speak?

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directhex:

iamlindoro, i hadn't heard word of it. which lib opens alac files?

[22:29:35]

iamlindoro:

it's different than AAC, which myth *can* handle

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ChrisC35:

directhex what do you mean by better tv functionality?

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iamlindoro:

directhex: No linux library that I'm aware of... I am fairly certain mick_home is mistaken or confusing it with AAC

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DustyBin:

mythtv .21 might be released next week!

[22:30:38]

mick_home:

iamlindoro: if mplayer can do it... then why not?

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directhex:

ChrisC35, as an example, with mythtv, i can record 5 digital channels at once with 1 tuner card

[22:30:57]

directhex:

iamlindoro, actually: alac-decoder – Apple Lossless audio codec decoder

[22:31:04]

iamlindoro:

mick_home: mplayer and myth are not at all the same thing-- mplayer uses libavcodec like myth does, but it uses many, many others

[22:31:05]

DustyBin:

directhex: i will test

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ChrisC35:

cool

[22:31:13]

ChrisC35:

can you record a show and watch another at the same tiem?

[22:31:19]

Viaken:

How can I debug an IR reciever that's not working? It works on my Gentoo machine downstairs, where I don't need it. ;) However, I modprobe lirc_serial upstairs, it detects an active low device, and then doesn't return any signals with irrecord.

[22:31:32]

mick_home:

iamlindoro: well, mythtv can have mplayer play files

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DustyBin:

mplayer alac.m4a

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directhex:

ChrisC35, digital magicks

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iamlindoro:

mick_home: in *mythvideo*

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DustyBin:

Selected audio codec: [ffalac] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg ALAC audio decoder)

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mick_home:

Viaken: good luck with that

[22:31:52]

Viaken:

heh

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mick_home:

iamlindoro: good point

[22:32:04]

Viaken:

No way to monitor raw data on the serial port? :P

[22:32:22]

iamlindoro:

anyway, it's all moot until someone tests, I just heard tell the other day that it did not

[22:32:30]

mick_home:

Viaken: minicom, or watch /dev/ttyS0

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directhex:

ChrisC35, essentially, digital tv works by having X number of streams on a given frequency, where a channel is made by combining 2 streams together. myth is able to record multiple "channels" if they share a frequency, since it just needs to store more of the streams

[22:33:18]

mick_home:

Viaken: you need to be in the uucp group either way

[22:33:21]

** Viaken nods **

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ChrisC35:

If I install mythbuntu, can I still install other or new mythtv modules, and also access the internet (setup my wireless card to connect to my router) , and access my network to get at photo library etc

[22:33:27]

Viaken:

I have root access, so it's not a problem.

[22:33:54]

mick_home:

just saying — i use my normal user for this stuff

[22:34:15]

DustyBin:

before i go ahead and convert my entire music collection into ALAC format, is directhex, iamlindoro and ChrisC35 100% sure that mythmusic can play back a ALAC file ?

[22:34:26]

DustyBin:

not AAC

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mick_home:

hmm, if i use trick modes in a video – after 3 key presses it kills the video

[22:34:33]

mick_home:

yay :-/

[22:34:38]

iamlindoro:

nope, I am 100% not sure it can.

[22:34:43]

DustyBin:

ok

[22:34:48]

mick_home:

goes back to video list

[22:34:57]

iamlindoro:

Why not convert one file and find out?

[22:35:03]

ChrisC35:

why would I have a clue? :)

[22:35:18]

iamlindoro:

instead of going cuh-razy

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DustyBin:

iamlindoro: im using .20.2 fixes release, that cannot even play a AAC

[22:35:25]

ChrisC35:

i'm obviously a n00bie

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directhex:

ChrisC35, mythbuntu is still ubuntu underneath, you can do whatever ubuntu can do

[22:35:44]

iamlindoro:

DustyBin: why not use FLAC instead?

[22:35:53]

DustyBin:

iamlindoro: FLAC isnt compatible with my IPOD

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mick_home:

and i'm obviously loosing my mind

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DustyBin:

iamlindoro: if i convert a FLAC > WAV > AAC i loose all the id tags

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hads:

If you convert anything to WAV you loose tags.

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iamlindoro:

DustyBin: I can find a fair amount of literature that says myth doesn't handle them, but it's a bit out of date so I don't want to tell you for sure that it doesn't

[22:37:04]

DustyBin:

i dont want to encode with anything apart from the itunes encoder, its the best AAC encoder you can get

[22:37:21]

DustyBin:

mp4 ftw

[22:37:22]

ChrisC35:

I had tried SageTV with my tuner card in my regular pc – and it had an inferior picture quality compared to just the crappy wintv2000 software that came with my hauppauge card – why is that?

[22:37:32]

directhex:

DustyBin, according to that article from 2003?

[22:37:53]

directhex:

ChrisC35, sagetv i've had issues with

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DustyBin:

directhex: no, i read one from 2006, all the other codecs were getting better but still not quite as good as itunes

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ChrisC35:

it seemed to sort of JPEG it – you could see little boxes

[22:38:22]

directhex:

ChrisC35, digital or analog tv?

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ChrisC35:

analog

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directhex:

ChrisC35, crap scaler, then

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ChrisC35:

how does myth do

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directhex:

it's so many years since i've done analog tv

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iamlindoro:

Just like they say, once you go.. erm.. digital... you never go back

[22:40:18]

Viaken:

mick_home: Any hints on parameters for minicom? It's basically a homebrew reciever...

[22:40:21]

DustyBin:

wouldnt myth music be a lot easier if it just used mplayer to play music

[22:41:16]

ChrisC35:

well I have a sanyo 31 CRT – and our cable in this building is analog

[22:41:57]

ChrisC35:

myth has mame and console emulators built in?

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iamlindoro:

no

[22:42:10]

iamlindoro:

it had support to spawn them, they're not built in

[22:42:16]

iamlindoro:

er has

[22:42:28]

iamlindoro:

mythgame is basically an emulator frontend/launcher

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ChrisC35:

ic

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ChrisC35:

can it do XBMC stuff?

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directhex:

yes. xbmcmythtv script.

[22:43:44]

ChrisC35:

if I download movies from newsgroups, etc.. will it play them

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directhex:

not that you'd do anything so naughty

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ChrisC35:

interresting..

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ChrisC35:

ya IF :)

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iamlindoro:

ChrisC35: mythvideo does all that

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iamlindoro:

and none of that "Shiver me timbers" talk in here

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ChrisC35:

hmm i just finished setting up an xbox with xbmc, etc hehe

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DustyBin:

I have 2 possible solutions: ALAC HOME (MYTHTV) + ACC CAR (IPOD) or FLAC HOME (MYTHTV) + MP3 CAR (IPOD) both of those solutions will preserve the id tags

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directhex:

you still have a mortal fear of libfaac?

[22:45:10]

DustyBin:

yes

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MaxHR:

Hello, I am currently running mandriva, on a computer located in upstairs, TV located downstairs, I have av cables running between them, my goal is to be able to watch movies, play music, and display photos from computer on TV, and be able to control computer for downstairs, what is a good hardware option for this? (remote control and cable wise)

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DustyBin:

its not mature enough

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iamlindoro:

can't imagine what that means

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iamlindoro:

since I've never seen it crash and not aware of any functionality it lacks

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directhex:

iamlindoro, it's only been in development for 9 years :(

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DustyBin:

but then again, after reading this:

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DustyBin:

"However in terms of whether AAC is better than MP3, the advantages of AAC are not entirely conclusive, and the MP3 specification, while outdated, has proven surprisingly robust. AAC and HE-AAC are better than MP3 at low bitrates (typically less than 192 kbit/s)."

[22:47:39]

ChrisC35:

i'm not quite grasping this concept of one back end and multiple front ends

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directhex:

whereas itunes has been out for... 7 years?

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DustyBin:

aye

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directhex:

so faac is 2 years more mature?

[22:48:15]

ChrisC35:

what is the point of that?

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DustyBin:

o_0

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iamlindoro:

ChrisC35: The backend does the recording work and holds all the info on your movies, posters, etc... any frontend can access all the recordings, movie info, watch TV on an available tuner on the backend, etc.

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directhex:

ChrisC35, 1 computer with tv cards in it, somewhere out of the way, watch recordings or livetv anywhere in the house

[22:49:23]

directhex:

itunes 1.0: 2001-01–09

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directhex:

faac project registered: 1999-12–12

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DustyBin:

jeeze

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ChrisC35:

so a front end pc does not have a tv tuner?

[22:49:48]

DustyBin:

when will mythtv incorporate faac so one can rip music in AAC format?

[22:49:54]

iamlindoro:

ChrisC35: correct

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ChrisC35:

just accesses the other one over the network?

[22:49:58]

iamlindoro:

yup

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directhex:

ChrisC35, precisely

[22:50:09]

ChrisC35:

and how do you control the front end tv with your remote?

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directhex:

ChrisC35, the "front end" is the actual ui. remote, keyboard, whatever

[22:50:35]

iamlindoro:

The front end macsystem is still a PC... you add an IR receiver and set it up with myth

[22:50:43]

DustyBin:

i have to admit, the idea of booting into windows just to boot up itunes to rip some music isnt a nice thought

[22:50:44]

directhex:

ChrisC35, the backend is a server type app

[22:50:57]

ChrisC35:

i have a hauppage tv card with a remote

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iamlindoro:

erm, why did I write macsystem? Ah, Machine, system... brain asplode

[22:51:14]

ChrisC35:

so the tv card would have to be plugged into the back end computer, which is not near the tv

[22:51:24]

ChrisC35:

so how do I use my remote on the front end tv computer?

[22:51:45]

directhex:

ChrisC35, in your case, you wouldn't. in the general case, not all remote receivers connect into the tv card

[22:51:52]

directhex:

ChrisC35, also note: backend and frontend can be same pc

[22:52:14]

iamlindoro:

which, in your case, may make more sense... and for most people first myth machines, is far less heartache

[22:52:23]

ChrisC35:

so then I would buy a separate remote for a pc for a front end tv

[22:52:30]

DustyBin:

directhex: http://www.audiocoding.com/faac.html "Note that the quality of FAAC is not up to par with the currently best AAC"

[22:52:32]

ChrisC35:

you can get remotes that just work with the app then?

[22:52:40]

ChrisC35:

plugin via usb or something

[22:53:02]

directhex:

DustyBin, did you do a double-blind test yet?

[22:53:09]

directhex:

ChrisC35, yeah. like the windows mce remote

[22:53:10]

iamlindoro:

well, as long as the say that on an undated page at "audiocoding.com"

[22:53:13]

DustyBin:

directhex: ill read the evidence first

[22:53:36]

iamlindoro:

If it's on the internet, it must be true!

[22:53:41]

DustyBin:

aye :D

[22:53:47]

directhex:

iamlindoro, it must be true, i edited the wikipedia article myself!

[22:54:08]

iamlindoro:

directhex: Words to live by

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ChrisC35:

but you couldnt watch live tv on 2 or 3 front end machines right?

[22:54:21]

ChrisC35:

from 1 tv card

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iamlindoro:

You need as many tuners as you want to watch live TV on

[22:54:53]

directhex:

ChrisC35, right. unless you all watch the same channel

[22:54:58]

ChrisC35:

i'll probably end up just with the one machine but i'm just curious about the 'ultimate' solution

[22:55:32]

ChrisC35:

there are some tuner cards that have multiple tuners too

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directhex:

indeed

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ChrisC35:

when you record shows, how much space does it use? I'm wondering about how big a HD i should get

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ChrisC35:

i have a 20 here i assume that is not realyl big enough

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ChrisC35:

i just have a 31" CRT tv so I would probalby not set it to record at some high HDTV setting

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iamlindoro:

since you're recording in analog, you can set the bitrate... a decent guide is a little over a gig an hour

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iamlindoro:

If you were recording digital HD material, it could go as high as 8–10 GB an hour

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ChrisC35:

holy crap

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** iamlindoro deletes the users list digest again without reading it **

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ChrisC35:

does the app make it easy to know how much space you have left, and clean up old recordings etc?

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iamlindoro:

no patience for petitions today

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directhex:

ChrisC35, yes, it'll automatically expire old recordings if need be, as per parameters you set

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DustyBin:

why do some pro audio CD players cost $$$$$$$$$ if one connects that player via a digital connection to a amp / reciever can there be any difference in the 10101010110101

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iamlindoro:

ChrisC35: by default, recordings auto-expire when you run low on space (you can turn that off globally or for individual recordings/shows...

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MaxHR:

Anybody recommend a good pc remote control for mythtv that has a IR reciever that can be plugged into a mini jack type cable to go from tv room to computer room?

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directhex:

DustyBin, do you trust the 10101010110101 was read off the disc correctly?

[23:00:46]

ChrisC35:

if I set it up on my 20gig and then later on add a 500 gig or soemthing as a 2nd drive, is it easy to setup to record to the other volume? or share them?

[23:00:49]

DustyBin:

directhex: it either read or not, should all players perform the same?

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iamlindoro:

ChrisC35: very simple

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directhex:

ChrisC35, it is now

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DustyBin:

directhex: thats how software can be loaded off a cd, usually it always works

[23:01:15]

directhex:

DustyBin, data cr has error correction

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DustyBin:

so its the exact same 1 and 0

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ChrisC35:

ok so I could jsut try it out on my 20 and not have to worry about reinstalling evetrything if I get a bigger HD later

[23:01:27]

DustyBin:

hmm ok

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iamlindoro:

redbook audio != CD-ROM

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DustyBin:

directhex: maybe one is meant to connect those really expensive rotel cd players via analogue to a amp so it can make use of its built in DAC ?

[23:02:07]

ChrisC35:

is mythbuntu alpha 2 ok? or buggy

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ChrisC35:

er 8.04

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directhex:

DustyBin, yes

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directhex:

ChrisC35, consider the word "alpha"

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iamlindoro:

ChrisC35: Do you want to run alpha software for a whole media system that you currently have no idea how to install?

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ChrisC35:

hm the 8.04 alpha uses myth 0.21 – isnt that also alpha?

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iamlindoro:

.21 is pre-release, yes... myth doesn't do alpha beta gamma delta

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ChrisC35:

ok

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ChrisC35:

would it be easy enough to upgrade later?

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iamlindoro:

.21 will be out very shortly, though

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iamlindoro:

ChrisC35: yes, it will be easy

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directhex:

clicky eaesy!

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directhex:

with clickings!

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ChrisC35:

does mythbuntu have all the ubuntu drivers, so it would be able to work with my hardware (including setting up my wireless nic)?

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iamlindoro:

it has the same hardware support as ubuntu, finding out if your hardware is supported is up to you

[23:06:45]

iamlindoro:

we're getting dangerously close to "why aren't you googling the mythbuntu FAQ," btw

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DustyBin:

"If you are using the digital output, you will hear no difference because the receiver DACs is doing the work. A $200 and $20,000 CD player will sound exactly the same."

[23:07:47]

iamlindoro:

ah, more internet truthiness

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ChrisC35:

theres a FAQ?

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iamlindoro:

ChrisC35: I would suggest reading the myth and mythbuntu wikis

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mzb:

found on google last time I looked :)

[23:08:38]

ChrisC35:

ok

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mzb:

iamlindoro: got that paylist link yesterday?

[23:08:56]

ChrisC35:

its looking like I should have setup this instead of getting an old xbox with xbmc

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iamlindoro:

mzb, yeah, I got it, thanks! Heheh, I hadn't heard of a lot of those groups

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mzb:

lot of .au stuff

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mzb:

but you get the idea

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I do. Good stuff

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DustyBin:

the rule is, if you have a crappy old audio cd player, try and use the digital outputs if its got any, if you've got a expensive cd player with high quality DACs built in, use the analogue outputs

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mzb:

cutting it up manually is a bit painfull ... but the result is excellent :)

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iamlindoro:

I imagine.

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MaxHR:

I am looking to use a remote to control my computer with mythtv from another room where the tv is, can anyone provide hardware setup suggestions to accomplish this?

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DustyBin:

dolby surround sound 5.1 is always digital, so you will have to rely on your digital recievers DACs to do a good job

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mzb:

fwiw, the "Hottest 100" is actually released as a double cd ... very popular ... so having the videos from it is doubly cool :)

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Dagmar:

Yuck

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Dagmar:

soda pop music

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mzb:

they have specials of all kinds, too ... they had "20 years of Rage" ;)

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Dagmar:

MaxHR: You better buy some IR repeaters then

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iamlindoro:

or USB extension cables

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Dagmar:

IR remotes tend to function very poorly through walls

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iamlindoro:

and a drill

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mzb:

Dagmar: maybe ... but nice to have some variation ... when I'm only able to record Rage or Video Hits Up Late

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Dagmar:

mzb: You could always, I dunno, buy music that doesn't suck.

[23:12:42]

mzb:

nah

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mzb:

that would require money (ie: earnings)

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iamlindoro:

I've always been half-tempted to get the in-wall IR receiver from irblaster.info to really sex up my setup

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Dagmar:

Lemme put it another way

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mzb:

no need

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Dagmar:

Used CDs are cheap and silence is preferable to pop music.

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mzb:

_video_ clips

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MaxHR:

Dagmar: I had a tuner card in the past with a ir reciever that was connected using a miniplug jack like for headphones, so I ran an extender cable for that and it worked, I just need a remote brand that has a similar setup for the ir reciever

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Dagmar:

mzb: You have the internet.

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mzb:

and I'm happy with what I've got

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Dagmar:

If you want to look at porn, you don't have to disguise it as "music videos"

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Dagmar:

You can just download porno and watch it.

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Dagmar:

People do it all the time.

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mzb:

been there done that

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MaxHR:

the distance is too long to use a usb extensions

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Dagmar:

MaxHR: Then an IR repeater it is

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mzb:

and I'm not prepared to download video clips (at crappy quality + bandwidth allowance) when I can get perfectly good mpeg2 ... just have to wait for the good stuff

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Dagmar:

I didn't wind up owning 800+ dance, ambient, and techno vinyls overnight man.

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MaxHR:

Dagmar: I tried a repeater, didn't work as one room is upstairs and other is downstairs, too much wall and different elevation made it fail

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iamlindoro:

MaxHR: You know the remotes and receivers aren't matched pairs, right? If you have a receiver already, you can "learn" the IR codes from almost any remote

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mzb:

nor me ... but then I've lost my complete collection twice through burglary ... not going through all that again

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Dagmar:

MaxHR: Then you better move some equipment around

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mzb:

(and once through vandalism)

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Dagmar:

mzb: This is why I have about 500 CDs backed up on a couple stacks of DVDs

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mzb:

hmm ... yeah, this was way before the age of the DVD

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Dagmar:

Media archiving is an ongoing process.

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Dagmar:

These are shrunk down from backed up CDs

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mzb:

I'm just not going that way again ... no point in trying to ram the point home ... I get the idea

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MaxHR:

iamlindoro: I no longer have the other reciever, it came with a dvb tuner card I go rid of

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iamlindoro:

I'd consider using USB repeaters, then... USB is just *such* a better solution

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Dagmar:

I say stick a computer in the room with the TV.

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Dagmar:

...put the damn IR receiver on it.

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Dagmar:

Share /dev/lirc all over the damn house over NFS on the network

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mzb:

pfft

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mzb:

lirc is network capable

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MaxHR:

iamlindoro: the distance is about 60ft, I think too long for usb

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Dagmar:

I would still like to know how this is our problem tho

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iamlindoro:

MaxHR: *repeaters*, not just extension cables

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Dagmar:

If there's a TV in the room, then there's a Myth box in the room.

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iamlindoro:

you can get 80 feet on a single repeater, so...

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Dagmar:

If there's a myth box in the room, then it can run lircd and have the IR receiver plugged into it

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MaxHR:

Dagmar: the computer is not just a myth box, its multipurpose for office and net, and I can't afford another computer for the tv room

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Dagmar:

If there's no Myth box involved, how is this our problem?

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iamlindoro:

and dagmar is right, what, are you going to run a 60 foot DVI cable too?

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mzb:

you guys ought to start chilling your beer

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MaxHR:

iamlindoro: ok, I didn't understand that, or know about repeaters, thx

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iamlindoro:

mzb: already chilled :) But capital idea...

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MaxHR:

Dagmar: I have myth installed on the computer, it is not exclusive myth

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Dagmar:

pfft. chilled beer.

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Viaken:

pfft. beer.

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MaxHR:

and I am not using dvi

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Dagmar:

MaxHR: is it plugged into the TV?

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iamlindoro:

pfft, Viaken.

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Viaken:

:D

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** Dagmar lights his sake heater. **

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MaxHR:

Dagmar: yeah, using rcas from video card

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iamlindoro:

mzb: Well, *I* went and got a beer, anyway

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Dagmar:

MaxHR: Then you can run cables back to it for an IR reciever.

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mzb:

:) good man

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MaxHR:

computer is about 5 years old, TV is over 10 years old

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Dagmar:

Anything distance you can run cable for video, you should be able to run a serial extender

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mzb:

MaxHR: using (cloned) composite out ?

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Dagmar:

Otherwise, this just isn't a mythtv problem

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iamlindoro:

"In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"

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MaxHR:

mzb: yeah, am using twinview clone at the moment on the nvidia tv out, but would like to run non clone myth only to the TV out, and have the regular kde desktop for computer screen

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mzb:

MaxHR: simplest (and cheapest) method is to use what's called an "IR repeater"

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iamlindoro:

Then again, there's also the "I have more money than sense everything-over-cat5" solution

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mzb:

(assuming there is no computer near the TV)

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MaxHR:

mzb: is that wireless?

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iamlindoro:

s/time than money/money than sense/ as applicable

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mzb:

MaxHR: no ... wired, but you can get wireless ones

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mzb:

MaxHR: Just run a different X on each output

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MaxHR:

Dagmar: what do you mean by serial extender, that sounds like a good route to go

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Dagmar:

I mean buying a hella long serial cable

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Dagmar:

...and using a serial IR reciever

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Viaken:

iamlindoro: I think you got your s/// backwards.

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Dagmar:

ANy length you can run RCA without serious signal degradation you should be able to run rs-232/serial as well

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MaxHR:

mzb: ok, I though IR repeaters were only wireless, wired would be great then

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mzb:

more expensive .... more wires, painful to maintain ... limited length

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Dagmar:

Well, I mean I KNOW you're getting the video from the PC to the TV _somehow_

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Dagmar:

IR Repeaters are for when you really don't have that option

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Dagmar:

Like when the thing you're trying to control is the stereo on the other end of the house that just happens to be piping music into the house system, if you paid that much too much for your house

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Dagmar:

...but if you have the computer connected to the TV, then you can use that same path to run a 9 pin serial cable, I'm quite sure.

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MaxHR:

Dagmar: ok, I know I was able to extend the ir reciever before using a run of "minijack" type cable, which is still there, I just need to find a pc remote with ir reciever that would plug into the existing extension cable

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Dagmar:

That's a really bad idea

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Dagmar:

Don't just pick some random type of cable

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Dagmar:

MaxHR: check wiki.mythtv.org

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Dagmar:

I am quite sure there are at least two companies listed in there that sell $30 or slightly cheaper premade serial IR transcievers.

[23:32:21]

Dagmar:

I've got the one from IguanaSoft (or maybe it was IguanaWorks)

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MaxHR:

so I would need to buy some serial cable then also

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mzb:

MaxHR: this is the kit version of the sort of thing I mean: http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?URL= . . . SUBCATID=292

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Dagmar:

The problem with the minijack thing is that I expect you're talking about extending JUST the lead that the little IR diode is on

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Dagmar:

That is not really all that likely to travel great distances well.

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Dagmar:

Here's the bad thing no one's told you about yet

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Dagmar:

Long wires, especially unshielded long wires, like to *pick up current from everything around them*

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MaxHR:

is there a danger of equipment damage, or jus interference?

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justinh:

it's not just a diode ;)

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Dagmar:

You can (and I say this because I've seen it) run a cable about 50 feet long in the "wrong" place, and it'll start emitting 60vac

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Dagmar:

About the funniest damn thing I've ever seen was at a build shop I worked at, they actually tried to do a network boot test setup

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Dagmar:

The jackass who did the cable run, ran it up in the ceiling, over four flourescent light baluns, to drop down in the middle of the lab

[23:36:05]

Dagmar:

He did not pin the cat3 cable correctly.

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Dagmar:

It blew out seven or eight network cards

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Dagmar:

justinh: I don't even remember wtf the IR reciever element itself is called, but I'm really sure that the somewhat subtle signal from it is going to get eaten by a long run, where the rather unsubtle high/low on serial will be much more likely to make that distance

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MaxHR:

the remote that I had extended over that stereo audio cable worked fine for the 2 years that I used it, so I assume it will continue to with a new model, but I could just be lucky

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justinh:

Dagmar: it's at least 3v3 pk-pk

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Dagmar:

I thought it was 5v

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justinh:

should be fine if the length isn't ridiculous & decent cable is used

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Dagmar:

No big diff either way

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mzb:

http://www.smarthome.com/8110.html

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MaxHR:

the distance is less than what I quoted before, more like 30–40ft

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justinh:

for 3v3 to drop to inoperable levels you'd be talking about a _lot_ of very shitty cable

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Dagmar:

mzb: Note that's only a 7' cable

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MaxHR:

but the old remote was fast and responsive, wish I still had that setup

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justinh:

capacitance of the cable is the more likely enemy of the piece ;)

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Dagmar:

MaxHR: well, there's lots of dirt cheap One4All models out there

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Dagmar:

justinh: yes, but it sounds like he's scrounging from what's available at hand already

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justinh:

ir extenders aren't expensive, if in doubt ;)

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justinh:

reminds me I need to get on with my whole house audio thing over cat5 at some point

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MaxHR:

Dagmar: I don't even need a tuner, just remote, all my content is on hd or disc

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Dagmar:

I _used_ to keep a lot of crap around for "just in case" things like that, and it just never resulted in anything much useful

[23:41:57]

Dagmar:

...so now I just swing my credit card around like a drunk cop with a taser when I need a cable or something.

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EnderTheThird:

hmmm, now I know that a 300GB doesn't have 300GB available, but gparted is showing 279.5GB while the file manager tells me it's only 260GB. any idea where that 20GB went?

[23:42:10]

Dagmar:

I am especially fond of large spools of cat6.

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MaxHR:

I am waiting to upgrade my cables til I get a hidef tv, at which point I prob will setup a dedicated myth box

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justinh:

whoah some madman is talking about making mythfrontend a resizable window. that'll end in tears

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EnderTheThird:

Dagmar: I still have about 500+ feet of Cat5e, heh

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Dagmar:

EnderTheThird: Into the land of People Who Can Do Math and Design Filesystems

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mzb:

MaxHR: got a soldering iron?

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Dagmar:

That 20Gb didn't go anywhere

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Dagmar:

It's just being used for something you don't know about

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EnderTheThird:

Dagmar: well that's so sweet of them to do that without tellin me, heh

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Dagmar:

You're using what type of filesystem?

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EnderTheThird:

Ext3

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MaxHR:

mzb: naw, need to learn that again

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Dagmar:

Uh-huh. Exactly.

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Dagmar:

If you could do math, you would have noticed that the space "missing" is pretty much exactly 5% (or 10%, I forget which).

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MaxHR:

I got to get off the phone line, (dialup blows), thx everybody for the input, I search around for extender options some more

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Dagmar:

ext3 reserves a small amount of the filesystem for ROOT's use *only* by default

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Cardoe:

Dagmar: afaik, all file systems on Linux do that

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Dagmar:

Read the manpage for tune2fs and it will tell you how to reduce the amount of reserved space to zero.

[23:45:08]

MaxHR:

later all

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Dagmar:

But..

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Cardoe:

tune2fs can turn that off

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EnderTheThird:

hm, interesting bit of info. Thanks.

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Dagmar:

The wiki should have warned you strongly against using ext3 for your filestore

[23:45:47]

EnderTheThird:

I'm doing something very stupid today. I'm returning my 1TB HDD i just bought

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Dagmar:

So you can take the money and buy three 500Gb disks?

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justinh:

moar storage == moar crap you never watch & end up deleting anyway

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EnderTheThird:

Ha, no. I just don't need that much space. And $220 could be spent on something else anyway.

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justinh:

EnderTheThird: but... but... what will you do with all the mkv files you download?!

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EnderTheThird:

justinh: cry

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Dagmar:

no need to download them

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Dagmar:

gaiaonline has all the crappy anime you could hope for to watch online

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justinh:

sadly mkv isn't just for anime anymore

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Dagmar:

Hell, they had the Matrix on their site for watching last month, completely legit

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justinh:

it's the container of choice for '1080p' content

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Dagmar:

Don't ask me how they pulled that one off

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EnderTheThird:

this stuff is news to me. i always miss out on the cool stuff, ha

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EnderTheThird:

Dagmar: switching that fs back to xfs anyway. I forgot that HDD was for recordings only. oops

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Dagmar:

EnderTheThird: Hehe. The first time you deleted some files you'd remember. :)

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EnderTheThird:

Exactly.

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EnderTheThird:

Can gparted or qtparted do low-level format? I'd like to do that before i return this HDD

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Viaken:

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdwhatever

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Viaken:

Use random instead of zero if you want, but either way...

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EnderTheThird:

that'll work too. Thanks viaken. now we'll see how long that takes on 1TB, heh

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Dagmar:

Several "whiles"

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EnderTheThird:

My god gparted takes forever to scan

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Dagmar:

hahahah

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EnderTheThird:

you laugh because you know something better to use?

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Viaken:

fdisk tends to be faster, I think.

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justinh:

now running a nightly defrag on my xfs partition, and popped the er.. something up to 100MB chunk size

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justinh:

dunno if it need the defrag but hey

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EnderTheThird:

i just like the gui when formatting partitions. UI helps make sure i don't format the wrong damned partition, ha

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justinh:

having all different disks helps too :P

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EnderTheThird:

they are, but even so, ha. 120, 250, 300 GB

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EnderTheThird:

i'm getting rid of LVM. it's just too much of a pain in the ass

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EnderTheThird:

at least to manipulate after setup if you don't have any extra HDDs. i'd rather use the remainder of the 120 for backups

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justinh:

amen to that. not that I've ever used it but I'd not be a fan of losing a whole load rather than bits when a disk fails

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justinh:

storage groups will be a big hit

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EnderTheThird:

yeah. i figure 300GB is enough for mythtv anyway. i rarely get much above 150, and that's with HD crap

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justinh:

bah this dev box is putting me off development work. takes yay long to compile, then it fails... grrr

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justinh:

gone cold on themes, going cold on code. going cold on mythtv... need a new hobby

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