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Friday, February 22nd, 2008, 00:06 UTC
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[00:15:24] skwashd: hi all
[00:15:35] skwashd: i have a setup a split backend / frontend
[00:15:44] skwashd: but i can't watch tv on the front end
[00:16:04] skwashd: tzap can get lock
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[00:16:13] skwashd: but mythtv complains it can't
[00:16:24] skwashd: everything else seems to be working ok
[00:16:36] skwashd: btw the backend has a dvico dual 4 in it
[00:17:25] skwashd: i am running mythbuntu 7.10 on both the front and backend ... i even tried installing a front end on my laptop to test it ... same thing
[00:17:29] mzb: make sure the "mythtv" user is in the video group
[00:18:34] skwashd: mzb: on the backend box?
[00:19:08] mzb: yes
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[00:19:14] skwashd: it is there
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[00:21:31] mzb: tail the mythbackend log when you attempt to watch tv
[00:22:19] skwashd: k ... lemme try that now
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[00:26:07] TauPan: hi... mythtv segfaults in xmonad... what is the class or resource the the mythfrontend window gets? I can't use xprop because it segfaults so quickly.
[00:26:16] TauPan: (it also segfaults in Xnest)
[00:27:52] TauPan: oh sorry... it apparently does not depend on the window manager at all... just tried with wmaker in Xnest
[00:28:04] skwashd: mzb: http://pastebin.ca/913379
[00:29:24] mzb: looks like you've not setup your card properly
[00:29:29] mzb: run mythtv-setup again
[00:30:24] skwashd: mzb: which bit should i be looking at?
[00:30:37] skwashd: capture cards?
[00:31:09] mzb: look at eveything (AND the wiki!)
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[00:31:38] skwashd: mzb: ok ... i will try again :(
[00:33:37] mikeones: can anyone veiw this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-500
[00:33:53] mikeones: I get a 403 error
[00:34:54] jams: works for me
[00:35:22] cesman: ditto
[00:35:32] iamlindoro: yup, ok here
[00:35:39] mikeones: hmmm
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[00:36:02] mikeones: now it came up
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[00:36:49] iamlindoro: Heh, I like the part where the PVR 500 is AOL because he couldn't get it from two retailers in the Netherlands
[00:36:51] iamlindoro: er EOL
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[00:51:21] joecurlee: hi all, not sure if i'm missing something here, but when I select "Watch Recordings" all I can see are kids shows that I recorded for my daughter... when i entered this menu earlier it gave me the option to view specific categories and I chose "Childrens shows" or something like that... now i can't seem to figure out how to switch to another category of recorded shows
[00:51:33] joecurlee: can't find anything on google about this either... rather frustrating
[00:51:53] jamesd: is there any real reason to get the 64 bit version of mythtv distro for a combination front/backend server, if i have a 4GB of ram... and not interesting in the 64 bit pissing contest?
[00:52:03] mzb: joecurlee: "m"
[00:53:28] joecurlee: mzb: thanks! wow that was frustrating
[00:53:53] mzb: jamesd: a 64bit distro running on a 64bit machine *should* be slightly faster than a 32bit version (all things being equal). Really depends on workload.
[00:53:54] joecurlee: mzb: anywhere to get a list of these commands?
[00:54:09] joecurlee: i have this page but didn't see the m command for that menu: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html
[00:54:11] mzb: google: mythtv keybindings
[00:54:53] jamesd: mzb i guess... but i really don't want the 32 bit browser plug in headache headache when you try to use them on a 64bit OS
[00:55:28] joecurlee: mzb: awesome thanks a lot :)
[00:55:37] mzb: np
[01:09:28] skwashd: mzb: i have run through it from top to bottom – including rescanning for all the chans
[01:09:40] skwashd: it gets locks during that process
[01:09:55] skwashd: but i still can't watch tv on the frontend :(
[01:10:11] mzb: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythtv-setup
[01:10:27] mzb: turn on verbosity for mythbackend log
[01:10:35] mzb: turn on verbosity for mythfrontend log
[01:10:50] mzb: check permissions in recording directories
[01:10:51] mzb: etc
[01:11:05] mzb: AND browse the wiki
[01:11:16] skwashd: it creates files in the recording dir ... but they are 0bytes
[01:12:00] joecurlee: ok so i have another dumb question. I'm recording a show right now and i want to be able to watch it while it records. I have a dual tuner. One is cable and the other is antenna. mythtv will allow me to watch cable, but can't switch to antenna (which is the tuner that is recording) in order to watch while it records
[01:12:14] skwashd: i have been giving the wiki a work out ... along with google
[01:12:21] joecurlee: is this a bug, or am I missing something obvious again?
[01:12:48] cesman: joecurlee: you cannot switch
[01:13:07] iamlindoro: joecurlee: MEdia Library -> Watch Recordings, choose the one with the different color. That's the one currently recording
[01:13:08] cesman: you need to Media Library > Recordings
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[01:16:01] joecurlee: the menu i have is "Watch recordings" this takes me to a menu of all records... the current program is in pink. choosing this by highlighting and pressing enter gives me a message "the file for this recording can not be found"
[01:16:43] iamlindoro: joecurlee: Then you have bigger problems that watching your recording :)
[01:16:53] joecurlee: that's what I'm thinking
[01:16:54] iamlindoro: eg, you have no recording.
[01:17:13] joecurlee: no i think i do... it was doing this earlier and after the show finished i was able to watch it from that list
[01:17:24] joecurlee: checking for the show now to see if it's in the recordings folder
[01:17:55] Viaken: Quick question I didn't see in the FAQ. If I have a collection of videos already, do I need to convert them to play them back on my Mythbuntu system? What kind of directory format does it need if I toss everything in /var/lib/mythtv/videos?
[01:18:26] iamlindoro: Viaken: You can create any structure you want so long as it's under the directory myth is checking for videos
[01:18:33] Viaken: cool, thanks
[01:18:35] Viaken: And format?
[01:18:54] iamlindoro: any format supported by myth (or more aptly, ffmpeg at last import of ffmpeg)
[01:19:42] iamlindoro: just need to make sure the let myth know to look for your extensions if they're unusual, Utilties/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->File Types
[01:19:51] Viaken: Ok. :) Thanks!
[01:20:02] iamlindoro: And, of course, any time you add videos you need to go to Utilities/Setup->Video manager to add them to the DB
[01:20:05] joecurlee: ok going to recordings folder didn't show the file, however System Settings > Tuner Status claims that the show is recording
[01:20:56] iamlindoro: joecurlee: You need to be checking your backend log... It may very well be trying to record but being prevented for any # of reasons
[01:21:16] joecurlee: iamlindoro: how to check backend log?
[01:22:01] iamlindoro: figure out where your distro keeps it, then read it in any ol' text editor
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[01:22:20] joecurlee: also, is my initial menu correct? I have: watch recordings,upcoming recordings, schedule recordings, recording priorities, system status and utilities / setup
[01:22:43] joecurlee: the workflow seems weird to me: Utilities / Setup > Tv Utilities > Watch TV
[01:24:45] iamlindoro: joecurlee: That's not what most of us have, sounds like you're using a different menu layout than the default
[01:24:57] iamlindoro: Watch TV is the first item in the top level for most of us
[01:25:14] joecurlee: yea that's what i thought
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[01:25:46] iamlindoro: First page of the Appearance screen has an option called "Menu theme:" You want it set to Default instead of DVR, etc.
[01:25:48] joecurlee: crap i think i messed something up last night... was trying to install a script that will grab all apple trailers... after i added a menu edit everything went screwy
[01:26:59] joecurlee: i don't even have default as a theme for some reason, only Pear-ody tv-wide, blue, and gant
[01:27:07] iamlindoro: no, read what I said
[01:27:14] iamlindoro: not theme, *Menu Theme*
[01:27:23] joecurlee: oh sorry gotcha
[01:28:29] iamlindoro: anyway, off I go, good luck
[01:28:46] joecurlee: thanks for the help
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[01:43:29] tyce: can any onetell me the actaul command mythfrontend envokes to play HD files using XvMC?
[01:44:49] cesman: there is no command to speak of
[01:45:54] tyce: how does it play the files then?
[01:46:16] cesman: MythTV has it's own internal player
[01:46:39] cesman: so, there is no command to speak of
[01:46:47] tyce: I have a mkv file that I can't get to play, cause mplayer its telling me its too slow to play, but my system plays HD that I record all day long using XvMC
[01:46:54] cesman: assuming you are talking about watch HDTV
[01:47:35] tyce: is there anyway to use myths internal player to play files outside of its DB?
[01:48:17] cesman: just because your system will play HD w/ XvMC doesn't mean with will play mkv
[01:48:34] cesman: in using XvMC, the video card does the heavy lifting
[01:48:47] cesman: HD is MPEG2 with is what XvMC assists with
[01:48:52] tyce: correct, so i should be able to do the same for other files
[01:49:13] cesman: I can only assume that you MKV file is h.264 encoded
[01:49:24] cesman: XvMC will not assist in that case
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[01:49:48] cesman: if you want to use MythTV's internal player, change the setup to "Internal"
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[01:50:54] tyce: [mkv] Track ID 1: video (V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC), -vid 0
[01:51:04] cesman: and?
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[01:51:19] tyce: VIDEO: [avc1] 1280x688 24bpp 23.976 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)
[01:51:26] cesman: and?
[01:51:40] tyce: doesn't look a like h.264
[01:51:45] cesman: _again_ XvMC assists with _MPEG2_
[01:51:46] Chutt: avc is h264.
[01:52:17] tyce: so, there's no way to get it to play on this system?
[01:53:29] clever[rev]: :O
[01:53:30] cesman: tyce: no one can answer that question with details
[01:53:43] clever[rev]: my myth layout just got a ton faster from 1 'simple' change
[01:54:15] clever[rev]: the mysql server was storing its data on nfs
[01:54:25] clever[rev]: moving that localy has causes a massive speed boost
[01:54:31] cesman: :-)
[01:54:50] clever[rev]: either the lag of the lan or the poor performance of the master box
[01:55:04] tyce: with details?
[01:55:22] cesman: without rather
[01:56:52] cesman: odd are, if your CPU (cough cough need details) cannot playback HD w/o XvMC, then you won't be able to playback h264 encoded MKV
[01:57:17] tyce: CPU0: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2600+ stepping 00 ; 2GB ram ; VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX – nForce GPU]
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[01:57:33] tyce: you need more then that?
[01:57:43] cesman: nope
[01:58:10] cesman: tyce: it is _always_ a good idea to provide details like that when asking a question/encountering issues
[01:58:40] cesman: tyce: you need more horsepower if you want to watch h264
[01:59:05] tyce: thanks, I was just under the impression that you could send anything to video card as long as it supportted XvMC... you taught me something new tonight
[01:59:19] cesman: happy to help
[01:59:27] tyce: really? wow. that sucks
[01:59:53] tyce: time to finally replace that system with a mac mini I guess :)
[02:00:04] joecurlee: fyi anyone who was following my issues above: everyone was right, video wasn't recording and it was due to digital antenna being in a bad position and getting a terrible signal... moved it and everything is nice again
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[02:08:41] fuxxy_: How would I find out what patches will be applied to lcdproc when I emerge it?
[02:09:01] cesman: #gentoo
[02:13:23] joecurlee: is there a setting to make mythtv resume playback of a previously started program like TiVo does?
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[02:13:49] cesman: yes
[02:14:03] cesman: sorry, I forget where it is exactly at the moment
[02:14:34] joecurlee: ok i'll keep researching, if it comes to mind for anyone please let me know
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[02:17:12] tyce: you can always set the bookmark with space bar before exiting
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[02:22:58] joecurlee: good point
[02:24:10] joecurlee: one thing I'm noticing: currently watching lost in HD and i'm losing frames like crazy... video keeps speeding up in order to catch up (this is my first HD experience with mythtv)... i have a very fast system so I know that's not the issue
[02:24:53] joecurlee: what does mythtv use to play it's recordings back? is there a way to force VLC or change buffering or something in order to not lag like it is?
[02:26:06] Vaelys: Anyone using starchoice and know of a way to record with MythTV?
[02:28:03] sphing: joecurlee: does it play well with mplayer/vlc outside of myth?
[02:33:45] joecurlee: sphing: generally speaking yes
[02:34:22] joecurlee: sphing: i downloaded 1080p trailers from Apple Trailers and played back prefectly, no dropped frames
[02:34:39] joecurlee: so a much lower recording like lost should play back seamlessly as well
[02:34:58] joecurlee: however when i played the trailers back with mplayer or anything else they dropped frames... vlc worked the best
[02:35:00] Chutt: joecurlee, um. 1080p at 24fps is a lot different than 720p at 60fps.
[02:35:07] sphing: lost comes in at 60fps
[02:35:17] joecurlee: oh i didn't know that
[02:35:20] sphing: yup
[02:35:29] joecurlee: ok is there a way to account for this or... ?
[02:36:05] sphing: transcoding it would solve it
[02:37:21] joecurlee: how can i watch without dropping frames and without transcoding though? any particular piece of hardware that affects this? video card is fast, i have 4 gigs of ram and fast processor as well... this is a brand new system that i put together
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[02:39:41] sphing: not sure, any reason why transcoding isn't an option
[02:41:05] joecurlee: not particularly... just not really sure how to go about it honestly. I'm new-ish to playing with video
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[02:44:46] mzb: got your recordings on XFS?
[02:50:12] sphing: joecurlee, try playing with ffmpeg
[02:50:32] sphing: you need to cut the framerate down to 30000/1001
[02:50:58] joecurlee: ok
[02:51:35] joecurlee: i would love to know why i can't keep up with 60fps have been looking for info on this via google
[02:53:04] squidly: hmm.. what is the default video player for myth.. mine is set to use mplayer
[02:53:16] mzb: Internal
[02:53:21] johndbritton: just installed mythtv with ubuntu 7.10, it was really easy compared to previous setups. one question though, how can i get the channels to show names instead of "adding channel" in the osd and channel guide
[02:54:09] squidly: mzb: for mythvideo plugin?
[02:54:39] mzb: afaik
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[02:57:00] squidly: mzb: thanks I mispelled interneal
[02:58:09] davez0r2222: does anyone here have experience transcoding 1080i/720p? my transcodes always seem to be larger than the original
[02:58:43] sphing: davez0r2222, what are you transcoding with?
[02:58:51] davez0r2222: mythtranscode
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[03:00:48] joecurlee: ok not to harp on this but: i'm running lost through mplayer right now (without mythtv frontend running) in full screen mode and i'm still getting spotty frames, although not quite as bad. at the same time I have my system monitor on top of it and my CPU usage is only hitting a max of 30%, memory 14%
[03:01:14] joecurlee: i'm starting to wonder if this is a video card issue (although I doubt it) or possibly an issue with the the player itself
[03:01:21] joecurlee: (settings in the player that is)
[03:02:01] sphing: joecurlee, I doubt pretty highly its mplayer... but you can try vlc if you're not convinced
[03:02:17] sphing: or xine for that matter
[03:02:17] joecurlee: you're leaning more towards video card perhaps?
[03:03:09] sphing: not necessarily, .. but its not mplayer
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[03:04:29] joecurlee: you know... now that I'm looking at it certain things on my computer are running rather odd... like the hiding of windows... frames are keeping up with that. restart might be in order here
[03:04:40] squidly: has anyone ever had an issue where there backend would suddenly shot showing live tv?
[03:05:46] squidly: if I select livetv my screen just flashed and goes back to the Mythfrontend start screen
[03:05:52] joecurlee: interestingly switching workspaces with cube effects is still very fast... lol my computer is screwed up
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[03:07:41] sphing: squidly, are you using firewire?
[03:07:55] squidly: sphing: no my backend video card is a pvr-150
[03:08:08] squidly: if I do a cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg it works fine
[03:08:18] cesman: squidly: no matter the issue, you need to check out the logs
[03:08:30] cesman: /var/log/mythtv
[03:08:31] sphing: hmm, it happens to me, but its the cable box getting wonky
[03:08:34] squidly: cesman: on the front end or the backend
[03:08:50] squidly: sphing: direct connection to the cable
[03:08:51] cesman: both
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[03:11:13] squidly: cesman: ahh I though it was a frontend issue
[03:11:23] squidly: it turned out it was a permissions issue
[03:16:51] sphing: if I have a script that transcodes the recordings, is there an advantage over changing the transcoding executable rather than using a user job
[03:18:02] joecurlee: ok verdict is in on choppy playback:
[03:18:21] joecurlee: works perfectly now... and it's one of two things... computer was running a little odd so i did a restart
[03:18:31] cesman: sphing: what does that mean?
[03:19:27] joecurlee: everything looks fine now... however the video is also no longer recording... possibly i can't do both? as a side note my dual processors are running very high right now which doesn't seem right since there is no recording or anything else going on... they're both in the 80% range... i might need a firmware upgrade or something
[03:20:11] joecurlee: at any rate. I'm going to actually watch lost now rather than rewinding the same 5 minutes over and over again obsessing over the quality. thanks for the help :)
[03:20:35] sphing: cesman, I wrote a bashscript to encode the mpegs that uses ffmpeg
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[03:20:55] sphing: I can make it a user job, or I can set it to be the transcoder, are there any advanges to one or the other?
[03:21:19] cesman: personally, I'd make it a user job
[03:21:22] cesman: but that is just me
[03:21:47] sphing: yea thats what I've done.
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[03:41:10] johndbritton: how do i get channel names
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[03:43:37] Tokayla: samba is pissing me off
[03:44:09] Tokayla: how can two identical samba.conf's work on one machine but break on the other >_<
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[03:45:20] Chutt: anyone seen the imon vfd in an antec fusion go all garbagey?
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[05:15:51] Mixx: i've got nothing listed in my upcoming recordings (in mythweb) and nothing has recorded for a few weeks. I have plenty of scheduled recordings
[05:16:18] Mixx: my listings are current – anything I'm mising?
[05:16:21] Mixx: missing?
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[05:21:35] Gumby: check your systems date, try restart mythbackend? just two random guesses. check the logs to make sure it can see the tuner card
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[05:31:10] Guyfromhe: check your guide and see if the shows you want are flagged to be recorded
[05:31:28] Guyfromhe: try setting up a new recording see if it records that
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[05:34:33] iamlindoro: Chutt: Sorry, just got back from dinner-- I have seen that, in my case it was heat-related... cranked the fans way up (turning it into a jet engine) solved the problem permanently, but there is surely a more elegant and quiet solution
[05:35:35] Chutt: iamlindoro, hum
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[05:37:27] Guyfromhe: what problem?
[05:37:28] iamlindoro: But it was a myth box for my folks and it ended up behind a closed glass cabinet door which mitigated the noise a bit, and they never complained about the noise, so I never bothered to find a better solution... more of an issue for me was the horrifically bright backlight
[05:37:39] Guyfromhe: oh
[05:38:11] iamlindoro: display corruption in imon vfd in antec fusion, Guyfromhe...
[05:38:25] Guyfromhe: ah yeah
[05:38:32] Guyfromhe: havn't seen that
[05:38:38] Guyfromhe: dun have an imon vfd though
[05:39:07] Guyfromhe: wow thats a nice thing
[05:39:09] Guyfromhe: how much is it?
[05:39:41] iamlindoro: $150ish
[05:40:43] Guyfromhe: kinda pricy, not bad
[05:41:04] iamlindoro: for an HTPC case it's fairly middle priced, my other case was $250
[05:41:34] Guyfromhe: yeah
[05:42:52] Guyfromhe: I just got a $12 LCD off ebay and made a case for it
[05:45:03] Guyfromhe: I can't really use a drive bay LCD though
[05:45:12] Guyfromhe: cause my machine is in a close cabinet :P
[05:45:32] Guyfromhe: that imon is awfuly cool
[05:46:14] Guyfromhe: I was looking at a $500 HTCP case that had basically the same thing as that imon on it but it also had a 7" touch screen
[05:47:00] iamlindoro: for all the times you will physically touch the case, the touch screen is a waste
[05:47:11] Guyfromhe: if I had to look at it i'd concider getting a nice case
[05:47:12] Guyfromhe: yeah
[05:47:14] Guyfromhe: thats the thing
[05:47:33] Guyfromhe: i just loved how much it looked like an amp
[05:47:49] iamlindoro: I have a feeling (I saw that one too, btw) that I would find it unbearably gaudy
[05:48:02] Guyfromhe: they have the same case with just a LCD on it
[05:48:06] iamlindoro: Guyfromhe: I have a Zalman HD 160-- almost exactly amp sized and shaped, in black
[05:48:12] Guyfromhe: but it was still like $300
[05:48:27] iamlindoro: http://www.dvhardware.net/reviews/zalmanhd160/2.jpg
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[05:48:40] Guyfromhe: thats a nice case
[05:48:52] iamlindoro: Yeah, I'm satisfied with it
[05:49:03] iamlindoro: erm, and sorry, mine is the silver
[05:49:04] Guyfromhe: was it pricey?
[05:49:11] Guyfromhe: I like the black ones myself
[05:49:24] iamlindoro: $250
[05:49:33] Guyfromhe: http://www.moneual.com/accessory/932B_features.php
[05:49:42] Guyfromhe: I really like that case
[05:50:00] Guyfromhe: even this one http://www.moneual.com/accessory/832B_features.php
[05:50:10] Guyfromhe: i think the touchscreen is overkill
[05:50:13] robbins61: why can't i buy it?
[05:50:27] Guyfromhe: buy what?
[05:50:34] robbins61: the buy link wasn't workin
[05:50:41] Guyfromhe: it's broken
[05:50:46] Guyfromhe: you hvae to buy it somewhere else
[05:50:54] Guyfromhe: the touchscreen one is like $600
[05:51:37] Guyfromhe: the non touchsceen one is like $300... if I was buying a case i'd prolly go for the moncaso over the zalman though
[05:51:40] Guyfromhe: not that much more
[05:51:53] Guyfromhe: i personally love the style of it
[05:52:02] Guyfromhe: I have a hard time spending $300 on a case though
[05:52:18] robbins61: got a link for the zalman?
[05:52:31] Guyfromhe: I could have 3 trashy computers for that same price
[05:52:34] iamlindoro: http://www.dvhardware.net/review79_zalmanhd160.html
[05:53:06] robbins61: that zalman certainly isn't as pretty as the moncaso
[05:53:14] Guyfromhe: http://www.zalman.co.kr/ENG/product/CategoryS . . . egorySecond=
[05:53:26] Guyfromhe: I really really love the moncaso
[05:53:37] Guyfromhe: it was total love at first sight
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[05:54:34] Guyfromhe: it feels like they went all out with their design
[05:54:42] Guyfromhe: you cannot tell it's a PC in any way
[05:55:18] robbins61: i have mine built into an NES
[05:55:23] robbins61: it works alright
[05:55:30] robbins61: but if i were to build another one, i'd buy one of these cases
[05:55:52] Guyfromhe: me too
[05:55:59] Guyfromhe: well if I had to look at it
[05:55:59] robbins61: which part?
[05:56:17] Guyfromhe: if I had to build a system I could see i'd buy one of those cases
[05:56:22] robbins61: oh, i see
[05:56:44] Guyfromhe: doesn't make sense to spend $300 on a case thats gunna be in a cupboard
[05:56:50] robbins61: true
[05:57:07] robbins61: truly, it doesn't make sense to spend $300 on a case
[05:57:08] Guyfromhe: only time I see it is when i'm pissed off at it
[05:57:10] robbins61: period
[05:57:17] Guyfromhe: thats alot for a case
[05:57:28] Guyfromhe: even that zalman was $250 though
[05:57:37] robbins61: my NES was free
[05:57:41] Guyfromhe: heh
[05:57:44] robbins61: and it looks great
[05:58:04] Guyfromhe: my case cost me $100 but that was my main PC for a long while
[05:59:12] Guyfromhe: i'd miss the info display with that touchscreen moncasso
[05:59:25] Guyfromhe: i love my lil info lcd
[06:00:20] Guyfromhe: everyone always asks well what do you need that for
[06:01:41] Guyfromhe: i don't think I could live without it now
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[06:05:03] robbins61: barack obama is my hero
[06:05:29] Guyfromhe: osama binladen is my hero too
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[06:05:53] Guyfromhe: i hope he wins the president
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[07:30:36] blaform: Does mdoes mythfrontend run mythvideo from the backend or the frontend?
[07:31:35] blaform: say I am connecting from a remote frontend and using mythvideo to play high def video. Which system will do the bulk of the cpu work?
[07:32:06] iamlindoro__: frontend
[07:32:18] blaform: ty
[07:32:23] iamlindoro__: yup
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[08:47:36] Cheavera: While watching live tv my sound and video are out of sync. I use a wintv-pvr-150-mce. How can i resolve this?
[08:47:51] Dagmar: enable extra audio buffering like is documented on the wiki
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[08:49:03] noclue: anyone around?
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[10:54:34] elglas: hi there
[10:55:00] elglas: I keep getting a TV Error: Failed to get recording show list
[10:55:17] elglas: with a fresh install, this prevents me from watching tv
[10:55:30] elglas: the card is fine, tvtime works flawlessly
[10:55:54] elglas: any suggestions as to what I need to add to the sql database to workaround?
[10:56:24] elglas: (I have run myth-filldatabase successfully)
[10:57:35] quicksilver: elglas: I think it thinks your tuners are busy?
[10:57:48] quicksilver: I've never seen that message
[10:57:50] quicksilver: but look at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4693
[10:57:56] quicksilver: and see if it looks relevant
[10:58:50] quicksilver: see also http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4489
[10:59:07] quicksilver: haven't defined your capture cards in mythtv-setup properly?
[10:59:09] quicksilver: or atr all?
[11:00:03] elglas: it automatically found the card on /dev/video0
[11:01:00] quicksilver: you still need to go through mythtv-setup
[11:01:10] quicksilver: set up video sources, set up cards
[11:01:12] quicksilver: connect cards to sources
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[11:03:12] elglas: okay, under capture cards it has my bt878 hauppauge card on analog v4l capture
[11:03:28] elglas: vbi is dev/vi0
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[11:04:18] elglas: both are there in /dev
[11:04:40] elglas: do I need to readd that under video sources?
[11:05:06] turbolover: hey guys, i got a general question about tv cards
[11:05:26] justinh: myth doesn't automatically find anything
[11:05:45] justinh: it might just so happen that the defaults are right for your setup though :)
[11:06:00] turbolover: seeing as with either mythtv or WMC I can record broadcasts and get program guides, is there any reason why I would need a box from my cable company?
[11:06:03] elglas: under video source setup, I named a new one called tvcard with no grabber and channel frequency default
[11:06:22] DGnome: turbolover: no
[11:06:32] justinh: turbolover: yes, since you need an STB for digital cable & satellite
[11:06:39] turbolover: STB?
[11:06:41] turbolover: what is STB
[11:06:43] justinh: set top box
[11:06:53] turbolover: but why
[11:06:58] justinh: i.e. the box your cable provider sends
[11:07:16] DGnome: no need for a box if you can receive broadcasts without it
[11:07:19] justinh: usually the cableco encripples everything meaning you have to use their box to receive the channels you pay for
[11:07:35] justinh: but if you get analogue cable, you likely don't need a box
[11:08:10] turbolover: well if you get a modern tuner card it can receive digital cable
[11:08:32] justinh: only what they send unencrypted though
[11:08:38] DGnome: turbolover: yes, unless the cable company has crippled the signal
[11:08:42] turbolover: ok
[11:08:48] turbolover: i wonder how i can find that out
[11:09:10] quicksilver: google search for "my cable company name" encrypted cable
[11:09:10] DGnome: turbolover: find someone else wo has the same cable company
[11:09:11] justinh: it's generally a safe assumption with digital cable
[11:09:13] quicksilver: might help :)
[11:09:19] DGnome: turbolover: internet may be of help
[11:09:29] quicksilver: but as justinh says, really most Digital Cable companies encrypt.
[11:09:30] turbolover: just trying to see what the options are, my friend is building a modest gaming pc/htpc to kill 2 birds with one stone and we are t trying to see if we can kill 3 by making it replace his box by being the dvr and program guide
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[11:09:49] justinh: games on linux eh? sucky :)
[11:09:53] elglas: ah, just found the probing stuff,
[11:09:57] turbolover: cos if he can avoid it, he saves $15/month
[11:09:59] elglas: wow plays nicely
[11:10:00] turbolover: no
[11:10:02] turbolover: not on linux
[11:10:03] turbolover: on windows
[11:10:12] turbolover: games on linux == pain in the ass stupid
[11:10:14] justinh: turbolover: so you either play games or you record shows. sucky
[11:10:19] turbolover: no
[11:10:27] turbolover: sheezus christ
[11:10:31] DGnome: games that are native linux are not a pain in the ass :)
[11:10:35] justinh: mythtv no worky on linux
[11:10:37] turbolover: we are not using myth tv
[11:10:40] elglas: yay freeciv.. :)
[11:10:42] turbolover: we are not using myth tv
[11:10:42] justinh: er.. WINDOWS
[11:10:43] turbolover: we are not using myth tv
[11:10:44] turbolover: we are not using myth tv
[11:10:52] justinh: so get outta here then :)
[11:10:58] turbolover: im asking you guys becasue the turds in ahrdware arent that familiar with this stuff
[11:11:11] turbolover: anmd i have never personally owned a tv tuner card becasue... i dont watch tv
[11:11:19] DGnome: turbolover: find someone else who has the same cable company
[11:11:33] justinh: well, not many of us can vouch for anything being possible in windows
[11:11:36] turbolover: anyone here have insight?
[11:11:45] DGnome: turbolover: there has to be others with the same questions and maybe even answers
[11:11:47] elglas: whats the question?
[11:11:50] justinh: try thegreenbutton.com or the mediaportal forums
[11:12:04] turbolover: DGnome: i understand that, im trying to find these other people, that is why i am here
[11:12:04] elglas: oh wintv cards
[11:12:21] elglas: umm generally they come with software, or your sunk
[11:12:29] DGnome: turbolover: well, "we" don't support windows
[11:12:43] justinh: try thegreenbutton.com or the mediaportal forums
[11:12:48] DGnome: turbolover: so we do not hae the answers to your questions
[11:13:03] turbolover: what is your problem
[11:13:05] turbolover: ?
[11:13:11] DGnome: newbs
[11:13:13] DGnome: :)
[11:13:18] turbolover: I never asked anything about windows, you ass.
[11:13:28] DGnome: you mentioned windows
[11:13:36] justinh: you said you weren't gonna be using mythtv
[11:13:39] turbolover: so
[11:13:47] justinh: or linux
[11:13:51] turbolover: Im asking a general hdtv tuner card question,
[11:13:57] DGnome: so you are very offtopic turbolover
[11:13:58] turbolover: that would apply to either platform
[11:14:15] turbolover: are you guys just trying to be asses
[11:14:16] DGnome: turbolover: try linuxtv if you wish to know about hardware
[11:15:00] DGnome: we cant help you if you can't ask the right question
[11:15:08] turbolover: i did ask the right question
[11:15:14] DGnome: like, does this CAM work with this tuner?
[11:15:18] elglas: new error now
[11:15:40] elglas: TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started
[11:15:42] directhex|work: your question was already answered, actually. since then it's gotten silly
[11:15:54] DGnome: turbolover: f**k do we know what the hell insight uses for broadcasting their scheit
[11:16:12] turbolover: and i got my answer, well sort of, need to find out if my stuff is encrypted, which would be the only thing standing inbetween me and being able to do without my cable box
[11:16:33] turbolover: DGnome: there is no need to be n ass, youve been a condescending twit the whole time, what do you want, a badge for king of all dorks?
[11:17:08] directhex|work: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-840894.html
[11:17:12] turbolover: i dunno, maybe someone in this channel has insight, it is possible
[11:17:16] elglas: TV: deleting TV Chain in destructor
[11:17:21] DGnome: turbolover: if you can connect a Conditional Access Module to your tuner that will support a smartcard provided by your Insight, you may be in luck, and ty for listening, scmuck
[11:17:39] DGnome: s/scmuck/schmuck/
[11:18:25] turbolover: tyhanks for providing a bunch of trolling nonsense to obscure anything you were trying to say
[11:18:36] DGnome: nonsence?
[11:19:19] DGnome: In soviet russia, YOU are the troll.
[11:19:48] DGnome: and If you dont have mythtv-specific questions, you are WAY OFFTOPIC!
[11:19:59] justinh: what day is it today?
[11:20:06] DGnome: NewbFriday
[11:20:26] directhex|work: too much noise, not enough signal
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[11:21:31] turbolover: ok
[11:21:45] turbolover: lets pretend i am using mythtv
[11:21:58] turbolover: what card/CAM would you recommend
[11:22:30] DGnome: Depends on what Insight uses to encrypt their braodcasts
[11:23:00] turbolover: i mean, what tv tuner card that supports the CAM
[11:23:39] DGnome: one that has a Common Interface
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[11:23:55] turbolover: couldnt i always just get a grey market decoder and fell secure in the fact that i am paying for my cable and am thus just unlocking what i paid for so i can use it how i please?
[11:24:11] DGnome: Then you are welcome to take the discussion elsewhere
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[11:24:18] DGnome: NO ILLEGAL BUSINESS HERE
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[11:24:34] turbolover: we arent talking about illegal business
[11:26:21] DGnome: grey market decoder <-- illegal
[11:26:33] DGnome: no softcams allowed
[11:26:58] DGnome: or any other methods to decode broadcasts without licensed hardware
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[11:27:55] turbolover: megalame
[11:28:04] elglas: okay so my channel scans find stuff
[11:28:20] DGnome: elglas: way to go :)
[11:28:25] quicksilver: such an inconsistently applied rule
[11:28:36] elglas: I stiff get the live tv not successfully started error
[11:28:39] DGnome: turbolover: so?
[11:28:41] quicksilver: ripping CDs and even playing DVDs is rumoured to be illegal in some jurisdictions
[11:28:44] turbolover: well
[11:28:46] quicksilver: and we talk about that every day.
[11:29:17] DGnome: quicksilver: CSS encryption on DVD:s has been ruled too lousy in many courts
[11:29:27] elglas: in canada the cable company (singular?) is just as evil as the movie industry
[11:29:51] DGnome: quicksilver: but copying music for private use should still be pretty legal afaik
[11:30:03] DGnome: quicksilver: for the iPod and such
[11:30:03] elglas: fair use backup
[11:30:46] elglas: as long as you legally entitled to the content, there shouldn't be a problem?
[11:31:04] DGnome: turbolover: first off, what does insight broadcast, QAM modulated ATSC?
[11:31:04] turbolover: couldnt i just buy a used box and get a smart card.
[11:31:07] turbolover: hmm
[11:31:15] turbolover: im trying to find that out
[11:31:16] DGnome: turbolover: what is the encryption method called?
[11:31:19] turbolover: google isnt helping me
[11:31:26] anykey_: DGnome: probably CSA
[11:31:34] quicksilver: DGnome: it's suggested that ripping CDs for iPod-style use is probably technically illegal in both US and UK jurisdictions. THere is a bill coming up to explicitly legalise it in the UK.
[11:31:42] turbolover: ive been on this search before and havent found that out
[11:32:01] quicksilver: in the US you're pretty safe because all senators' daughters have iPods
[11:32:05] quicksilver: and that's what really defines US law
[11:32:51] quicksilver: I don't much care, personally. But I do think the channel rule is applied most inconsistently :)
[11:33:41] elglas: did you hear about the lawyer asking the RIAA to sue the bush daughters for a burned cd the president mentioned publically?
[11:34:16] DGnome: elglas: :DD
[11:34:32] elglas: according to riaa sums it was around 100k they would charge for anyone else
[11:35:28] elglas: I think my issue is a database lock
[11:35:29] turbolover: OH NO
[11:35:32] turbolover: WE ARE OFF TOPIC
[11:35:38] turbolover: send out the wolves!
[11:35:47] elglas: not hounds?
[11:37:06] elglas: ugh just used cat on the log file
[11:37:55] DGnome: our cats dont like logfiles, gives them really bad indiguestion
[11:38:08] DGnome: +spelling
[11:38:37] elglas: is there any nice VI key for end of file?
[11:38:55] DGnome: vi is unsupported
[11:39:10] DGnome: use less and press the "end" -button
[11:39:47] elglas: very useful that
[11:40:07] DGnome: or you could tail -f file
[11:40:10] mzb: with all the cats and dogs running around why haven't your tried using tail?
[11:40:12] mzb: ;)
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[11:41:07] elglas: looks like a permission denied.. to my own home folder?
[11:41:14] elglas: a .nuv file
[11:43:12] elglas: trying a reboot, as a forum suggested
[11:43:49] turbolover: god
[11:43:59] DGnome: Budha
[11:44:16] turbolover: i hate automated systems, cant get to any correct department, no one is going to know what their encryption methoid is
[11:44:17] elglas: independent thought?
[11:44:41] turbolover: and cant ask what color the sky is without giving my ssn'
[11:44:49] DGnome: turbolover: something tells me they are not going to tell you anyway
[11:44:56] turbolover: i doubt it
[11:44:56] justinh: turbolover: doesn't matter what the encryption method is. if it's encrypted, you can't just plug it into a tuner card
[11:45:13] turbolover: well mayube it isnt encrypted, i dunno
[11:45:20] turbolover: tv works without the box
[11:45:36] justinh: so that being the case, it's not encrippled
[11:45:41] justinh: and probably only analogue
[11:45:50] turbolover: i dunno
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[11:46:06] turbolover: i guess the way to test is to take the cable out of the box and plug it directly into the atsc tuner on the hdtv
[11:46:10] turbolover: and see if i can access all channels
[11:46:30] justinh: yeah if that's available it's a fantastic way to check
[11:47:08] elglas: odd, now I can't connect to the backend, after a restart, and restarting the backend manually
[11:47:14] justinh: roflmfao @ "am I invisible" on the -users list. how the feck would anybody know they're invisible over email?
[11:47:31] turbolover: Im just trying to figure it otu, because i know insight charges about $16 for the stupid box, if ic an use pc as a dvr, then its only $10 for the box, but if i can eliminate the box altogether... ive saved $200 a year approx
[11:48:17] justinh: turbolover: well, if your atsc tv can tune channels from the cable, and you get everything you want, an atsc card which is QAM capable will suit you
[11:48:32] justinh: costs nothing to try it
[11:49:59] turbolover: thats what im gonna try, its actually not me, its my friend, but im his technical advisor so to speak, but this whole hdtv media center stuff is a little new on me, i know what it does and cn set it up, but the whole cable company encryption nonsense makes it a little more complicated and im jsut trying ot make sure he saves as much money as possible, cos if he can avoid the box, i can...
[11:50:01] turbolover: ...convince him to use the savings as a justificaiton for a better gfx card :)
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[11:51:02] DGnome: well then get pluggin an atsc tuner to the cable
[11:51:28] turbolover: i will
[11:51:37] turbolover: i dont own an hdtc or any of that nonsense
[11:51:49] turbolover: gonna have to do that stuff when i go to his house... at a decent time of day
[11:52:20] justinh: people often cite saving money as a reason for setting up a PC based DVR. I can't see that when it can take a load of time & effort to get it working. I value my time at way more than $30 an hour – and it takes some poor saps weeks to get operational HTPCs :P
[11:52:21] DGnome: g'day then
[11:53:33] turbolover: well
[11:53:36] directhex|work: how are we still here? i pointed out half an hour ago that all channels are encrypted on Insight Digital, including no firewire allowed
[11:53:47] turbolover: this isnt the only purpose
[11:53:49] justinh: if I could buy a standalone device that did what mythtv can do, as well & as reliably, I'd buy it
[11:53:58] elglas: ooh, here's one: unexpected response to myth_proto_version:
[11:54:01] quicksilver: justinh: unless you enjoy the fiddling.
[11:54:05] turbolover: this is his replacement pc/gaming console/dvr
[11:54:10] justinh: quicksilver: I don't especially
[11:54:24] quicksilver: justinh: I can't really understand why my dad does his own DIY, since he must value his time at more than the hourly cost of getting someone else to do it.
[11:54:26] justinh: it's a means to an end
[11:54:33] quicksilver: But he does it because he enjoys it (!)
[11:54:58] quicksilver: I use mythtv because I"m interested in stuff and I like the fact that it's hackable and extendable.
[11:54:59] turbolover: besides, more freedom by using the pc as the dvr, can upgrade and store more stuff and whatnot
[11:55:11] quicksilver: yeah, upgradability is a reason, too
[11:55:28] directhex|work: everyone pops the disks from commercial DVRs
[11:55:30] turbolover: directhex: couldnt i just buy a spare box off ebay to decode the signal, and jsut stick a smart card in it?
[11:55:38] directhex|work: people mod sky boxes with terabyte disks
[11:55:51] turbolover: plus a htpc converges several devices into one
[11:55:53] quicksilver: directhex|work: I don't think "everyone" does. But I take your point.
[11:56:03] directhex|work: turbolover, yes. and you'd need to use the wonderful pair of analog-capture and ir-blaster
[11:56:23] turbolover: directhex, eh?
[11:57:06] turbolover: would any cable box work as long as it had the slot for a card?
[11:57:16] turbolover: is the card what does the decoding?
[11:57:19] directhex|work: turbolover, if you buy a set-top box to decrypt the signal, the only wayt to get video out of the set-top box and into a pc is a) use an 'ir blaster', which emulates a remote & changes channels, and b) use an analog tv card to capture the video output, then re-encode it into digital
[11:57:57] justinh: turbolover: maybe against the cableco T&Cs. some boxes aren't the property of the people selling them either ;)
[11:58:02] DGnome: and that sortof kills the joy of digital tv
[11:58:03] turbolover: directhex well the idea was to get an hdtv tuner card
[11:58:25] directhex|work: turbolover, not happening with Insight. if your friend buys a pre-made PC from HP, then cablecard is an option
[11:58:36] turbolover: and just route whatever device iam using to decode it into the tuner card in the pc
[11:58:46] turbolover: we are building a pc
[11:58:55] directhex|work: then you're not getting digital from Insight
[11:58:56] directhex|work: qed
[11:59:04] turbolover: god, insight sucks dont they?
[11:59:20] turbolover: what about dish
[11:59:25] directhex|work: even worse
[11:59:48] directhex|work: the tv networks in yankland really believe in open and accessible content, as you can see
[12:00:10] turbolover: I dont think im worried about the terms and conditions, how are they going to know
[12:00:14] turbolover: oh wait
[12:00:27] turbolover: they probably wont allow you to even have the hd channel package without a box, duh
[12:01:25] turbolover: oh well
[12:01:32] turbolover: at least he will save SOME money
[12:02:46] turbolover: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Working_QAM_ . . . mmunications
[12:02:49] turbolover: what is this junk
[12:03:17] turbolover: oh wait, so basicalyl only the local channels are in qam
[12:05:13] clever[rev]: is a 'pnnacle pctv hd pro stick' useable under linux/mythtv?
[12:05:27] clever[rev]: pinnacle*
[12:06:50] justinh: clever[rev]: you, of all people should know the drill
[12:06:57] clever[rev]: google away?:P
[12:07:07] turbolover: jesus christ
[12:07:26] turbolover: what sthe point of a support channel when the answer is alwayus "find it yourself on google!"
[12:07:34] clever[rev]: yeah
[12:07:40] turbolover: so retarded
[12:07:49] turbolover: and the linux community does this too
[12:07:59] turbolover: and then they wodner why people dont love their free support
[12:08:00] anykey_: turbolover: how should one know if the stick works without googling for himself?!
[12:08:30] anykey_: if there's no one who uses the same type, then the only answer will be google...
[12:08:35] turbolover: does ite ver occur to you that mybe he couldnt find the information so that is why he is asking?
[12:08:35] quicksilver: turbolover: so you think people here, who are volunteers, should spend their time googling for other people who are too lazy to google?
[12:08:58] clever[rev]: i think if some1 knows off memory they can just answer
[12:09:05] turbolover: exactly
[12:09:06] anykey_: clever[rev]: they will
[12:09:10] turbolover: he is just seeing if anyone knows off hand
[12:09:13] justinh: fuck that. make em all google!
[12:09:26] justinh: lazy bastards
[12:09:29] jduggan_: why not close down #mythtv-users while youre at it
[12:09:29] mzb_d800: the "Advanced Search" option in mythweb gives me the impression that I can search for People (ie. actors?). How do I use it?
[12:09:37] turbolover: i like how you form a question and practically stick it in my mouth
[12:09:41] turbolover: its like hey
[12:09:44] turbolover: i want to contradcit this guy
[12:10:02] turbolover: i know! im going to make up a stupid question/demand and pretend he asked it!
[12:10:06] justinh: jduggan_: great idea!
[12:11:01] turbolover: its like people are purpsoefully being misinterpreted just so tehy can be criticized
[12:11:06] justinh: clever[rev]: anyway, the drill is – if you want to know if a digital card works in linux or not, check the linuxtv wiki. that's not always up to date, so then search their mailing lists. failing that, it's time to dive into the source to see if it's on the list of supported cards
[12:11:47] clever[rev]: ahh
[12:11:50] clever[rev]: and this one is usb based
[12:12:42] clever[rev]: and the damn site with the cheap tuner wants a cc
[12:12:50] clever[rev]: even though i have enough in paypal it wants a cc
[12:13:24] justinh: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_USB_Devices
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[12:14:02] justinh: 'experimental' support. YMMV :P
[12:14:20] clever[rev]: only 39$
[12:14:30] clever[rev]: but from the looks of it they only ship to the us
[12:15:17] turbolover: woot.com
[12:15:21] clever[rev]: yep:P
[12:15:22] turbolover: there is a super cheap tuner
[12:15:27] turbolover: but it sucks
[12:15:30] turbolover: dont get it
[12:15:33] clever[rev]: lol
[12:15:36] turbolover: pinnacle sucks
[12:15:40] turbolover: look at the reviews
[12:15:43] turbolover: its crap
[12:15:51] clever[rev]: i was using a bttv for several months
[12:15:56] clever[rev]: until i for this pvr150
[12:16:11] turbolover: just like toher components, you dont want to skimp on the tv card
[12:16:36] justinh: bullshit
[12:16:47] clever[rev]: i had orignaly just thrown a unused tvin card into the box and played with it and discovered mythtv
[12:16:58] justinh: I paid £20 for the last tuner I bought && there's nothing wrong with it
[12:17:07] directhex|work: i think mine was £25
[12:17:22] directhex|work: actually, that's a lie, i spent a fortune on my last card. imported a t-1500 and CI daughterboard
[12:17:34] directhex|work: i think i can re-use the daughterboard for dodgy porno on freesat though
[12:17:41] justinh: it tunes faster & is generally better than cards costing twice as much
[12:17:58] elglas: haha
[12:18:04] justinh: so the remote that comes with it sucks, but I didn't buy it for the remote
[12:18:05] elglas: got it working
[12:19:00] elglas: make certain your dumping directory for files is owned by the mythtv group :p
[12:20:04] justinh: wow. they should mention that in the docs
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[12:27:00] ** justinh googles **
[12:28:20] ** justinh falls on the floor laughing at the myspazz profile he just found **
[12:32:13] ** DGnome bought a pair of satelco dvb-c tuners and is happy. **
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[12:41:01] ** directhex|work is surprised by how many people use freesat **
[12:41:43] justinh: and yet how many CBA to put anything in the wiki about it?
[12:43:17] directhex|work: 1m tv sets in the uk use freesat
[12:44:41] justinh: people with Sky boxes whose subs have lapsed, more likely
[12:46:30] quicksilver: I'm sure justinh's right.
[12:46:39] quicksilver: What do you get on freesat? Same as freeview basically?
[12:46:57] justinh: quicksilver: not even that
[12:47:08] directhex|work: some additions, some subtractions
[12:47:18] justinh: no additions worth having other than BBCHD
[12:47:36] justinh: unless you like shopping & God channels
[12:47:37] directhex|work: i like the idea of a bad horror movie channel
[12:47:44] directhex|work: great if you're drunk at 3am
[12:47:47] quicksilver: the freesat website claims it's not even launched yet
[12:47:54] quicksilver: "during Spring 2008?"
[12:47:55] justinh: ahh but which freesat?
[12:48:01] justinh: freesatfromsky or freesat?
[12:48:04] quicksilver: oh, am I looking at the wrong thing?
[12:48:09] quicksilver: www.freesat.co.uk
[12:48:25] justinh: that's freesat freesat, not freesatfromsky freesat
[12:48:51] justinh: something needs to be done about those 2 being so similarly named
[12:48:52] directhex|work: justinh is of course correct. the ofcom report says FTV, not FTA
[12:49:34] justinh: FTV == you need a card from Sky, and a STB with their CAM inside
[12:50:03] quicksilver: ah
[12:50:11] quicksilver: what about the non-sky one?
[12:50:20] quicksilver: will that be unencrypted DVB-S ?
[12:50:45] directhex|work: quicksilver, yes
[12:51:33] quicksilver: interesting.
[12:52:06] quicksilver: non-encrippled HDTV.
[12:52:27] quicksilver: h.264 presumably though? so not decodable by my humble fronted.
[12:53:10] anykey_: quicksilver: yeah, europe hdtv is h264
[12:54:02] quicksilver: ahwell. 'spect the prospect of a dish lacks WAF anyway.
[12:54:23] justinh: quicksilver: not when she sees what's likely gonna happen to freeview
[12:54:40] justinh: more squishing!
[12:54:44] directhex|work: An increasing number of homes now receive free-to-view channels on satellite reception equipment. These homes generally fall into three categories including: (i) those who have churned from BSkyB pay services but have retained their satellite equipment so that they can continue to receive free-to-view channels; (ii) users of BSkyB’s own non-subscription services including; ‘Freesat from Sky’; which requires a one-off payment of
[12:54:44] directhex|work: £150 or more recently BSkyB’s ‘Pay Once’ offer costing £75; and (iii) those who have obtained satellite receiving equipment from other retailers and also have a viewing card which allows them to receive free-to-view channels. The BBC and ITV are planning to launch their own free satellite service in 2008.
[12:55:24] justinh: we await news of Channel Four channels going FTA with baited breath
[12:55:29] directhex|work: tee hee, how enormously not legal
[12:55:51] directhex|work: "those who have obtained satellite receiving equipment from other retailers and also have a viewing card which allows them to receive free-to-view channels"
[12:56:10] justinh: directhex|work: nah you've never had to get the STB from Sky
[12:56:30] justinh: a number of boxes with the NDS CAM have been available for ages
[12:56:57] directhex|work: there's no legit licensed NDS CAM, though, afaik?
[12:57:02] justinh: by some coincidence they're the same hardware Sky was supplying to their own customers
[12:57:21] justinh: directhex|work: the CAM has to be from NDS, so what?
[12:57:23] quicksilver: justinh: you thik freesat might actually be a good answer then?
[12:57:40] justinh: quicksilver: might be the _only_ answer if you want good picture Q in future
[12:57:46] justinh: HD or SD
[12:58:00] quicksilver: justinh: maybe with a 2-core athlon I'd be able to decode the HD, if the 2-threaded ffmpeg stuff gets there.
[12:58:14] justinh: it's there
[12:58:32] ** justinh adjusts the wiki. should lessen the page hits on the .co.uk **
[12:58:53] quicksilver: justinh: oh, that's cool. What approximate hardware does it need?
[12:58:59] directhex|work: multithreaded is less of a success than people expect
[12:59:06] justinh: core2duo ish will do AFAIK
[12:59:07] directhex|work: the real boon is tinkering with the loopfilter
[12:59:36] ** quicksilver has a socketA MB though :( **
[12:59:51] quicksilver: best I can do is an athlon X2 4000, or something like that
[13:00:02] justinh: to be 100% honest I don't think it's going to be worth the hassle. turning off the loopfilter is turning down the picture quality a fair bit too. whether you notice or not is a different thing
[13:00:41] justinh: like wooo it looks nice, but playback is maybe 10fps. but turn the loopfilter off & it looks like blocky shite.. may aswell be the same thing
[13:00:56] directhex|work: justinh, it seems there's a degree of balance with the loopfilter
[13:01:22] directhex|work: justinh, and it really makes much less difference to image quality at higher bitrates
[13:01:25] justinh: I might still be using mythtv but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm back on board with the whole 'pc as dvr' shit
[13:01:30] directhex|work: het, i'm on my 1080p box! i can test!
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[13:03:59] justinh: directhex|work: higher bitrates.. higher than what?
[13:05:04] directhex|work: justinh, as in "HD stuff in general". it makes a big difference for smaller uses, e.g. sub-SD screen sizes
[13:05:30] directhex|work: anyway, let's take a look at a fresh svn mplayer build
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[13:09:24] directhex|work: okay. core 2 duo t7400, lots o' ram, nvidia graphics. time to tinker!
[13:10:01] directhex|work: no scaling, just a 60px border at top and bottom for 1080 material
[13:11:15] justinh: t7400 – 'only' £270 !
[13:11:45] directhex|work: ./mplayer -vo gl2 -fs /home/jms/Desktop/bbc.hd.ts: **** Your system is too SLOW to play this! ****
[13:11:53] directhex|work: justinh, it came with the pc. t'is an office pc
[13:11:55] ** justinh cancels his domain name. won't be needing it **
[13:12:22] justinh: shortest. lived. webshite. to date!
[13:12:32] directhex|work: ./mplayer -vo gl2 -fs -lavdopts threads=2 /home/jms/Desktop/bbc.hd.ts: **** Your system is too SLOW to play this! ****
[13:12:49] justinh: jesus
[13:13:20] directhex|work: ./mplayer -vo gl2 -fs -lavdopts threads=2:fast /home/jms/Desktop/bbc.hd.ts: **** Your system is too SLOW to play this! ****
[13:13:32] justinh: I think we can all safely forget about linux h.264 for quite some time then
[13:15:09] directhex|work: ./mplayer -vo gl2 -fs -lavdopts threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=nonref /home/jms/Desktop/bbc.hd.ts: plays
[13:15:29] directhex|work: nonref: Skip frames that are not referenced (i.e. not used for decoding other frames, the error cannot "build up").
[13:15:34] justinh: how much cpu usage though?
[13:15:48] directhex|work: any way to plot a proper histogram?
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[13:17:50] directhex|work: using -gl instead of gl2 improves it
[13:18:00] justinh: bollocks to this. it's just too depressing
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[13:18:02] directhex|work: i.e. no "SLOW" message
[13:18:14] directhex|work: he needs fucking meds. badly
[13:18:34] anykey_: directhex|work: did you try xv?
[13:19:04] directhex|work: still no SLOW message
[13:19:08] directhex|work: that's just with threads=2
[13:19:44] directhex|work: my word, unbelievable low cpu usage with skiploopfilter=all
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[13:20:23] directhex|work: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=1:fast:skiploopfilter=all /home/jms/Desktop/bbc.hd.ts
[13:20:29] directhex|work: ~40% cpu usage
[13:20:46] anykey_: directhex|work: what's without the skiploopfilter?
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[13:21:26] directhex|work: damn, i'm misreading the graph due to multi-core
[13:22:10] directhex|work: right. try again.
[13:22:22] directhex|work: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=1:fast /home/jms/Desktop/bbc.hd.ts
[13:22:42] directhex|work: 100% of 1 core
[13:23:10] directhex|work: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=2:fast /home/jms/Desktop/bbc.hd.ts
[13:23:14] directhex|work: 60% of both cores
[13:23:17] anykey_: nice
[13:23:20] anykey_: directhex|work: what cpu?
[13:23:31] directhex|work: anykey_, T7400. mobile 2.17ghz
[13:23:38] directhex|work: anykey_, i'll play with the clock speed a little
[13:24:08] directhex|work: 1.83ghz: 2x 70%
[13:24:12] anykey_: directhex|work: hm, so a E4600 (2.4ghz) should handle that equally?
[13:24:17] Hoxzer: HMM, intel :\
[13:24:36] directhex|work: 1.67ghz: 2x 80%
[13:24:37] quicksilver: playing at full speed in the 100% of 1 core case?
[13:24:44] directhex|work: Hoxzer, you need more to do it on amd. amd is slower.
[13:24:47] Hoxzer: directhex|work: how does 720p h264 play with that ?
[13:25:08] directhex|work: Hoxzer, no idea. broadcast hd is nothing like warezed 720p
[13:25:18] anykey_: Hoxzer: 720p h264 at 20mbit/s does play pretty well on an E4600
[13:25:32] anykey_: Hoxzer: that is broadcast HD, not something from the net
[13:25:42] quicksilver: 720p is approximately 1/2 the number of pixels of 1080p, so it should be much much easier.
[13:25:51] Hoxzer: anykey_: just one core ?
[13:25:59] anykey_: Hoxzer: two cores at 50–60%
[13:26:04] Hoxzer: oh ok.
[13:26:06] directhex|work: quicksilver, there are LOADS of other factors
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[13:26:12] directhex|work: pixels has nothing to do with it
[13:26:16] anykey_: quicksilver: though BBC HD is only 1080_i_
[13:26:21] directhex|work: anyway, 1.33ghz was too SLOW
[13:26:49] quicksilver: anykey_: good point.
[13:26:50] directhex|work: okay, back up to 2.17ghz. how does the loopfilter affect it?
[13:26:56] anykey_: quicksilver: 1080p isn't specified for broadcast
[13:27:01] quicksilver: directhex|work: yes, I know. But if all the other factors were equal ;)
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[13:27:23] directhex|work: no loopfilter settings: 2x60%
[13:27:50] anykey_: directhex|work: does it play in myth?
[13:28:41] directhex|work: nonref: 45–50%*2
[13:28:44] DustyBin: heres a good read folks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Design_limitations
[13:29:08] directhex|work: bidir: no improvement
[13:29:10] DustyBin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_C . . . nts_over_MP3
[13:29:32] directhex|work: nonkey: 40%*2
[13:29:41] DustyBin: i didnt realise AAC is MP4 until i started reading
[13:29:57] directhex|work: all: no improvement
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[13:30:26] directhex|work: okay, so with skiploopfilter=nonkey:threads=1...
[13:30:55] directhex|work: hm... 75%, with core hopping. stupid os
[13:31:14] quicksilver: directhex|work: how does it look, visually?
[13:31:19] quicksilver: with skipping the non-keys?
[13:31:41] directhex|work: quicksilver, no different. there's some tearing in general, which is probably an nvidia issue
[13:31:47] directhex|work: might be better without compiz
[13:32:01] DGnome: compiz makes HD-video tear on nvidia hw :/
[13:32:17] directhex|work: time to try again with metacity then!
[13:32:23] quicksilver: tearing is a sync problem isn't it?
[13:32:38] directhex|work: okay then, metacity
[13:32:46] DGnome: it seems as if there was not enough time to render frames
[13:32:53] DGnome: Looks like som frames are half
[13:33:05] directhex|work: urgh. i'm using nvidia 100.x
[13:33:13] directhex|work: give me a minute to update
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[13:41:35] directhex|work: right. no more green screen
[13:45:08] Hoxzer: WHAT THE .... *****
[13:45:20] Hoxzer: I walked into living room and there is this huge Flat TV
[13:46:18] clever[rev]: steam roller flatened it?
[13:47:08] ** DustyBin waits a fews for CRT to be released, together with VHS video **
[13:47:13] DustyBin: *years
[13:48:08] directhex|work: okay girls, time to re-test with metacity. this will be the first actual comprehensive test of what is needed for smooth hd in linux i know of
[13:48:18] quicksilver: *drumroll*
[13:48:51] directhex|work: locking cpu to 2.17ghz on both cores
[13:49:42] directhex|work: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs bbc.hd.ts: 100% of one core, 10% of the other
[13:50:37] Hoxzer: God dman...
[13:50:41] ** Hoxzer is thinking **
[13:50:46] directhex|work: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=2 bbc.hd.ts: 55–60% of one core, 45–65% of the other
[13:50:48] Hoxzer: :\ Now that I have two HD-displays
[13:50:52] Hoxzer: an donly one HD output
[13:50:56] ** Hoxzer is confused **
[13:51:40] GreyFoxx: Hoxer: 2 HD displays in 1 room or seperate rooms ?
[13:52:02] Hoxzer: separate rooms
[13:52:15] directhex|work: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=2:skiploopfilter=all bbc.hd.ts: 30–45% of one core, 40% of the other
[13:52:20] DustyBin: anybody know of a good place to download some HD content so i can see how my mythtv box performs with it?
[13:52:21] GreyFoxx: k. Cause I just had to deal with similar in 1 room :)
[13:53:03] directhex|work: no visible quality decrease with the loop filter on the kill bill sample
[13:53:50] directhex|work: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=1:skiploopfilter=all:fast bbc.hd.ts: 60–70% (core hopped)
[13:55:00] directhex|work: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=1:skiploopfilter=nonref:fast bbc.hd.ts: 70–80% (core hopped)
[13:55:08] DustyBin: http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/animals/planetearth/hd/
[13:55:38] directhex|work: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=1:skiploopfilter=default:fast bbc.hd.ts: 100%, desync
[13:56:01] directhex|work: so. one 2.17ghz core with no loop filter skipping is NOT enough
[13:56:07] directhex|work: two IS enough
[13:56:19] directhex|work: how low can you go, with 2 cores, without poking the filter?
[13:57:16] directhex|work: 2.17ghz: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=2:fast bbc.hd.ts: 50–60% on both cores
[13:57:56] directhex|work: 2.00ghz: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=2:fast bbc.hd.ts: 55–65% on both cores
[13:58:44] directhex|work: 1.83ghz: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=2:fast bbc.hd.ts: 60–75% on one core, 60–80% on the other
[13:59:24] directhex|work: 1.67ghz: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=2:fast bbc.hd.ts: 65–75% on one core, 65–80% on the other
[13:59:33] quicksilver: so it looks like "any core2duo" is fairly safe advice.
[13:59:37] quicksilver: That's good to know.
[14:00:15] directhex|work: 1.50ghz: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=2:fast bbc.hd.ts: 70–90% on one core, 70–80% on the other (possible framerate surges? i may be imagining it)
[14:00:22] anykey_: quicksilver: yeah, with mplayer, mythtv is always a bit slower
[14:01:05] directhex|work: 1.33ghz: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=2:fast bbc.hd.ts: 75–90% on one core, 80–90% on the other
[14:01:26] quicksilver: anykey_: and you want to save some CPU time for recording and stuff, i fyou have a combined box, which many people do.
[14:01:42] directhex|work: 1.00ghz: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=2:fast bbc.hd.ts: **** Your system is too SLOW to play this! ****
[14:01:47] _sajko: is that just raw hd streaming or is it compressed with something?
[14:01:59] directhex|work: _sajko, raw bbchd stream from astra2d
[14:02:01] quicksilver: sa
[14:02:05] quicksilver: sorry ;)
[14:02:21] _sajko: directhex|work: not to bad then
[14:02:23] directhex|work: anyway, that's my analysis. /me takes a bow
[14:02:44] directhex|work: remember, amd users need to add 25–50% to the quoted clock speeds above to achieve equivalent performance
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[14:03:39] quicksilver: it's good to know.
[14:03:52] quicksilver: and there may still be slight ffmpeg improvements to come, I guess.
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[14:04:46] sshirley: Good morning everyone. Can anyone tell me why, when playing videos and DVDs, the picture gets stretched vertically? Not just PAL stuff but NTSC as well.
[14:05:03] sshirley: When I view those same exact files on my laptop, they look fine.
[14:05:57] directhex|work: sshirley, mythvideo?
[14:06:30] directhex|work: sshirley, what is the player command set to? if you're using "mplayer" to play things, add a "-monitoraspect" paramter to the command, or use something else
[14:12:09] sshirley: mythvideo, yes
[14:12:22] quicksilver: personally I use the internal player
[14:12:40] quicksilver: and the same aspect ratio commands as I use on normal TV
[14:12:55] sshirley: I am not 100% certain which player is being used by default. In the control center I have all 3 checked. Where can I check which one is the default?
[14:13:08] sshirley: I think it might the the internal
[14:13:19] sshirley: I am not at home, so I'll have to check later
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[14:19:13] directhex|work: it's set inside mythfrontend
[14:19:36] directhex|work: Internal you'd hit M to get the aspect ratio override list, but i strongly suspect you're using mplayer
[14:20:00] Hoxzer: What would be cheapest way to get h264 to play smoothly? I have P4 2.4GHz and I'm experiencing a littlebit stuttering at certain points
[14:20:08] Hoxzer: AND yes, I have tried all tips.,
[14:20:48] directhex|work: Hoxzer, you're using skiploopfilter=all ?
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[14:22:30] directhex|work: justinh, i ran some broadcast hd tests
[14:22:43] Hoxzer: directhex|work: as I said yes, I have tried all tips. And no I'm using skiploopfilter=nonref because =all makes it look so ugly that I rather rencode it to mpeg2
[14:23:00] directhex|work: Hoxzer, that's the risk with warezed content
[14:23:01] Hoxzer: s/I'm using/I'm not using
[14:23:02] sshirley: So if I'm using the Internal player, just hti 'M' and select 4:3 (I honestly think I am using the internal player). If I am not using that, but mplayer or vlc instead I should add a '-monitoraspect 4:3'?
[14:23:06] _sajko: Hoxzer: my 2,2ghz c2d plays 720p h264 flawlessly
[14:23:08] directhex|work: Hoxzer, option 2: a better cpu
[14:23:20] directhex|work: sshirley, monitoraspect is for mplayer
[14:23:23] Hoxzer: directhex|work: Do you think 3200+ AMD64 would do it ?
[14:23:34] directhex|work: Hoxzer, maybe. it's certainly more likely to
[14:23:39] Hoxzer: ok
[14:23:57] Hoxzer: I have that on my Desktop atm
[14:24:18] _sajko: Hoxzer: easiest way to figure that out is to test it :P
[14:25:17] justinh: directhex|work: in mythtv or mplayer?
[14:25:34] Hoxzer: _sajko: :( Yes
[14:25:53] cesman: Hoxzer: yes, it will
[14:25:54] directhex|work: justinh, mplayer. but given the common use of libavcodec, there's a reasonable correlation
[14:26:02] cesman: Hoxzer: tested it a few weeks back
[14:26:07] justinh: believe that when I see it
[14:26:17] justinh: based on current experience I mean
[14:26:31] Hoxzer: cesman: with skiploopfilter!=all ?
[14:27:06] cesman: Hoxzer: didn't use any filters
[14:27:21] Hoxzer: O_O
[14:27:24] Hoxzer: Cool...
[14:27:25] directhex|work: justinh, my mplayer test results from above say: 1 core, you either need more mhz than this machine has OR you need to turn on loop filter skipping. 2 cores, you can go down to ~1.6ghz before it starts being sad
[14:27:32] sshirley: Is any one of the players available (internal, xine, mplayer, or vlc) and better than the other for use un MythTV? I do find that, on my laptop, that VLC works very well and will play just about ANYTHING.
[14:28:03] directhex|work: sshirley, all linux players share common code, and can generally play the same files
[14:28:09] Hoxzer: Somebody said to me that 2.4Ghz should play 720p h264 just fine and I might have another bottle neck however I think that HE MEANt with skiploopfilter=all
[14:28:21] directhex|work: Hoxzer, or a real cpu
[14:28:32] Hoxzer: Hmm, seems like GeForce 6600 Series has H.264 hardware acceleration but 6800 series doesn't :E
[14:28:45] Hoxzer: Pretty twisted idea from nvidia
[14:28:55] justinh: except mythtv which has historically performed less well than most players
[14:29:04] directhex|work: Hoxzer, not quite
[14:29:21] GreyFoxx: myth also does more than most other players, including deinterlacing that most others do not do unless you specifically enable it
[14:29:44] GreyFoxx: if playing a recording for example, turn off deinterlacing and then compare
[14:29:49] GreyFoxx: should be closer
[14:29:51] ** cesman would recommend _avoiding_ gstreamer for h264 encoded files **
[14:29:56] directhex|work: Hoxzer, 6800 ultra and 6800gt are missing it. and either way, it's not in linux
[14:29:57] quicksilver: sshirley: I prefer internal because it integratioes more neatly with the rest of myth
[14:30:04] quicksilver: sshirley: and uses the same keys etc
[14:30:07] ** justinh would recommend avoiding gstreamer for everything! **
[14:30:17] GreyFoxx: Hoxzer: On my sempron 2800 I can play 720p h264
[14:30:25] sshirley: will the internal player take advantage of my dual core amd64 processor?
[14:30:30] Hoxzer: directhex|work: I have directhex|work 6800le (modded to 6800 but I can demod it :P)
[14:30:30] GreyFoxx: not sure just how fast that actually is
[14:30:40] GreyFoxx: sshirley: Only in very recent svn code
[14:30:44] justinh: sshirley: in 0.21, yes
[14:30:44] GreyFoxx: and only if you enable it
[14:31:07] justinh: and only if it's built with that enabled and it's enabled in the settings
[14:31:08] directhex|work: Hoxzer, oh, it's missing from all agp 6800s
[14:31:10] sshirley: This is really a hardware question, but is there a huge difference between a 720p/i and 1080p/i TV in terms of visible quality?
[14:31:23] Hoxzer: directhex|work: omg nooo WHYY
[14:31:29] directhex|work: sshirley, in screenshots, yes. in motion, depends on your tv
[14:31:31] ** cesman needs to remember to run ./configure --help to see what is new next time **
[14:31:40] sshirley: Hmmmm. I installed Mythbuntu 7.10. How can I check to see what those compiled setting were/are?
[14:31:49] directhex|work: Hoxzer, agp is old and lame?
[14:31:52] directhex|work: sshirley, 0.20.2
[14:31:57] justinh: you don't get to choose whether content from your provider is 720p or 1080i so why be concerned?
[14:32:12] sshirley: I am looking to buy a a HDTV. But the 1080p/i ones are faily expensive.
[14:32:20] sshirley: True.
[14:32:43] justinh: seen it said that for < 50 inches you needn't be bothered about 1080p
[14:32:49] sshirley: I guess I should ask technical support at my cable company first what it is they provide.
[14:33:08] quicksilver: the oppose perspective is : why upgrade to a half-way technology when you can already see the new one
[14:33:09] DustyBin: can myth music play apple loss-less files?
[14:33:22] quicksilver: i.e. buying 720, you *know* it's obsolete, immeddiately.
[14:33:35] sshirley: directhex|work, 0.20.2 means what? The version of Mythbuntu that have dual-core support in it?
[14:33:38] quicksilver: of course, you can always have this argument about technology purchases.
[14:33:45] _sajko: quicksilver: but then again, what are you gonna watch that is actually in 1080?
[14:33:46] justinh: sshirley: 0.20.2 is single core only
[14:33:56] quicksilver: _sajko: PS3 games, most likely.
[14:34:06] _sajko: quicksilver: if you get a 1080 tv you need to get a blueray/hddvd player of some sort
[14:34:11] justinh: consoles & bluray :)
[14:34:16] quicksilver: right.
[14:34:28] quicksilver: personally I will wait until I can afford 1080, and then get one of those.
[14:34:32] quicksilver: But I'm happy to wait a few years.
[14:34:34] sshirley: Yeah, and Blue-Ray DVD players for computers are around $250. :-)
[14:34:42] directhex|work: justinh, did you see how stores are re-marketing hd-dvd players as hdmi-enabled dvd upscalers?
[14:34:55] justinh: sshirley: not that you can play discs in linux yet without ripping em
[14:35:10] sshirley: I'd love to have MythTV take advantage of my dual-core. I guess I would need to compile it on my own, eh?
[14:35:17] quicksilver: sshirley: at which price, a PS3 makes more sense :)
[14:35:23] sshirley: No Blue-Ray support in Linux?
[14:35:23] justinh: directhex|work: couldn't GAS really. let the early adopters cry in their beer :)
[14:35:25] _sajko: quicksilver: i bought myself a 720p projector for about 800$ instead :P and i'm very satisfied :)
[14:35:35] quicksilver: _sajko: yes, that's fair enough.
[14:36:06] justinh: ahem. somebody wrote an automagical detecting 4:3 zoom patch
[14:36:11] directhex|work: sshirley, no direct playback from discs. you can rip & play
[14:36:20] sshirley: That's not so bad.
[14:36:23] justinh: useful patches! yay!
[14:37:48] quicksilver: ince
[14:37:50] quicksilver: erm
[14:37:51] quicksilver: nice
[14:37:51] quicksilver: !
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[14:38:13] justinh: fackit I'll put my playlist expiry set/unset patch onto a ticket
[14:43:51] justinh: wouldn't feel right committing my own code anymore, esp since I'm not a 'proper' dev
[14:46:13] sshirley: If I am using the internal player, it doesn't seem to do .avi files. It will play the audio, but no video. Only when I convert them to .mpg files do they play.
[14:47:03] justinh: works fine here (tm)
[14:47:15] directhex|work: sshirley, 1) "avi" is a useless term, it means nothing about the video file 2) there should be nothing that plays with, say, ffplay but not the internal player
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[14:47:45] sshirley: why is it useless? it's the filetype.
[14:47:56] justinh: avi is just a _container_
[14:48:11] directhex|work: sshirley, it's like saying "car" when someone asks what you drive
[14:48:11] justinh: the video inside it could be made with _ANY_ old codec
[14:48:30] justinh: sshirley you can't be serious :P
[14:48:44] directhex|work: you puny little man, justinh!
[14:49:12] justinh: can I help it if I can
[14:49:18] justinh: can't resist making shite jokes?
[14:50:18] justinh: as for no longer committing my own stuff – if I'm not party to the 'real
[14:50:32] justinh: 'real' -dev list I don't see the point :)
[14:51:03] sshirley: Really? I didn't realize that about .avi files.
[14:51:40] justinh: yeah it's almost as daft as some media players going by the file extension to work out how to play the file ;)
[14:51:54] sshirley: Ok, so I am better of converting them to mpeg just to know what I'm getting. But that's when I get the aforementioned stretching.
[14:52:08] directhex|work: that was a leap of faith
[14:52:29] justinh: where are the avi files from?
[14:52:48] directhex|work: the tubes! the tubes!
[14:53:05] directhex|work: and i thought sshirley wasn't at home, so couldn't confirm use of Internal versus mplayer
[14:53:06] sshirley: The internet. Downloaded movies. O:-)
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[14:53:39] sshirley: I am not at home. But I seem to recall selecting that when I installed it. But I am not 100% sure.
[14:53:59] justinh: mplayer is the default, so unless you specifically changed it..
[14:54:13] quicksilver: directhex|work: sometimes people will have mplayer compiled against different libraries to mythtv, and then obviously mplayer can play more kinds of files.
[14:54:16] justinh: well, it was the default in 0.20.x
[14:54:24] quicksilver: directhex|work: that was true of my setup at one point.
[14:54:33] sshirley: I heard that the internal player has matured. So I selected that. But that may not be the best choice for me.
[14:54:55] justinh: Internal on 0.20.x plays xvid & divx just fine at home
[14:54:59] directhex|work: quicksilver, weirdos. the only one i'd have expected to make a difference is pitfdll. and which videos NEED windows codecs anymore?
[14:55:14] sshirley: So maybe I'll switch to mplayer or vlc tonight. But as for which command line options to feed it, I'm not 100% sure.
[14:55:28] justinh: google will know
[14:55:35] sshirley: :-)
[14:55:37] justinh: I'd put money on that
[14:55:40] quicksilver: directhex|work: well I had a mythtv compiled against debian libs, and an mplayer from the marillat multimedia archive, which has much more stuff
[14:55:40] sshirley: Google is your friend
[14:55:45] quicksilver: directhex|work: all sorted now though.
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[14:58:02] justinh: quicksilver: depends on where ffmpeg was when stuff was last synced ;)
[14:58:09] quicksilver: yes, exactly.
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[15:42:03] br14: I cant seem to get the screen save / lock window to stop comming up in fedora 8/kde, xset isn't doing it, anyone know of a different cmd line to disable ?
[15:42:29] justinh: sudo apt-get install ubuntu
[15:42:54] ma9mwah|worky2: hehe
[15:43:15] br14: ehh, that seems like too much work ;)
[15:43:23] br14: twas a pain to get it working in fedora
[15:43:59] br14: this is the first time i've got myth working since the move to sd
[15:44:10] justinh: don't modern distros have nice GUI tools for setting stuff like that up these days?
[15:44:29] justinh: screensaver preferences & crap
[15:44:52] br14: perhaps, trying to debug this over ssh...
[15:45:32] ma9mwah|worky2: mythbuntu was great when i was just trying it out
[15:45:36] justinh: vnc & freenx ftw
[15:46:54] br14: ehh, I prefer ssh -X, but there is no X on my work box
[15:47:10] justinh: maybe in ~/.kde/foo/config/blah
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[16:02:49] shane__: hi all is anyone here using mythtv in romania?
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[16:38:26] ttuttle: Hi. Does anyone know if the Pinnacle PCTV HD Pro Stick works with MythTV?
[16:40:22] cesman: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Supported_Hardware
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[16:41:20] levander: Is there no way for mythtv to tell you what quality you ripped a DVD at? E.g., you ripped a DVD a month ago, thne you want to come back and ask myth what quality level you ripped it at?
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[16:42:07] jb1: If anyone is around, i'm having some trouble with my multiple-tuner mythbackend setup, and would love to pass a few questions by someone who knows what they are doing. thanks in advance
[16:42:37] levander: jb1: Usually on freenode, ppl just ask their question. And, if someone can answer, they do.
[16:43:20] jb1: levander: no problem, i just don't know what channels people typically log or not, so it's always a crapshot
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[16:44:02] ttuttle: cesman: Hmm, it says "experimental" support is available.
[16:44:14] jb1: anyway, i guess the first question: The documentation mentioned how the old method of using channels.conf for digitial channels was being depreciated to use the method within the myth database. Has anyone found a way though to export from the db back to a channels.conf file (for use in other programs)
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[16:45:52] levander: jb1: More random advice: go post that to mythtvtalk, i've seen people post scripts there that do weird stuff like that. It'd be a simple script, a SQL query then formatting the results.
[16:47:34] jb1: levander: great. I expected someone would have done it by now, but wasn't sure where to ask
[16:47:54] levander: Good luck...
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[16:59:05] dfgh: Is the mythmusic-0.20.2 database layout very different from the latest svn trunk?
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[17:37:24] beakster: hi
[17:37:36] beakster: im trying to get my TV listings from XMLTV
[17:37:50] beakster: it seems to be stuck at "Retrieving listings"
[17:39:11] beakster: hello?
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[17:41:43] iamlindoro__: patient fella
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[18:22:12] beakster: hi, how do i associate my scanned DVB mythtv channels with XMLTV?
[18:22:42] beakster: i have run XMLTV but now i have the channels i found by scanning with unknown programs, and the channels from XMLTV which i cant watch
[18:24:55] ma9mwah: which country / distro?
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[18:25:21] tcpsyn: morning.
[18:25:29] ma9mwah: o/
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[18:25:45] tcpsyn: I know I've tackled this issue before, and I think it was enabling vsync in my nvidia-settings-rc, but that's not working for me now.
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[18:26:04] tcpsyn: I'm getting a consistant tearing line at about 90% of the top of the screen
[18:26:31] tcpsyn: only there, across both sd and hd, regardless of ffmpeg or xvmc
[18:26:58] tcpsyn: I've got sync to vblank set for dfp-0, which is my tv
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[18:29:08] beakster: ma9mwah UK and Mythbuntu 7.10
[18:29:16] beakster: i think the problem is that i answered all
[18:29:23] beakster: found a list of the freeview channels now
[18:30:26] ma9mwah: try this page
[18:30:27] ma9mwah: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_id.php
[18:31:12] ma9mwah: that kind of got me thru will a little bit of hacking and poking
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[18:35:42] beakster: ma9mwah thanks, trying it now :)
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[18:56:55] willg_: Howdy all. Is there an offical mythtv forum somewhere?
[18:57:39] directhex: most discussions happen via mailing list
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[18:58:08] willg_: ah. Thanks :D
[18:58:14] beakster: ma9mwah thanks, that worked great! =)
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[19:00:21] willg_: I'm slowly working my way up to building a mythtv box. And my eyes are bleedin from staring at the wiki.
[19:00:44] iamlindoro: The closest there is is mythtvtalk.com, but it's filled with idiots
[19:01:16] justinh: iamlindoro: not so much since I started keeping away :P
[19:01:39] iamlindoro: But it's great if you want to see an astounding neglect of the search function and the same ten questions asked fortnightly
[19:01:49] iamlindoro: justinh: Aww, c'mon, you were the #1 idiot swatter
[19:02:12] willg_: I can deal with the same 10 asked over and over. That's roughly my attention span anyway.  :D
[19:02:13] justinh: it gets tiring faster than being a prodigious maker of themes
[19:02:56] iamlindoro: the wiki has *FAR* more useful info than any forum
[19:03:03] justinh: if you can find it
[19:03:18] iamlindoro: but if your comfortable with the blind leading the blind, I say have at the forum
[19:03:31] iamlindoro: er you're
[19:03:44] justinh: problem with the forum tends to be people posting lists of gear & expecting others to do all the looking up for them
[19:03:56] justinh: "will this motherboard work?"
[19:04:19] iamlindoro: true that
[19:04:49] iamlindoro: LIRC being second to that, I would say... can't imagine how frustrating it would be to try to support lirc via forum... yechhh
[19:05:04] justinh: hell I only had an idea that the last board I bought would do the biz as a frontend, even then I didn't know if the tvout would work in loonix
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[19:05:20] c`alin: anyone know how to change x's aspect ratio?
[19:05:36] justinh: c`alin: DISPLAYSIZE
[19:05:54] ** justinh trouts annoying nicks with backticks in em **
[19:06:06] willg_: Ah. That type of thing does tend to happen. Been tempted myself.
[19:06:25] c`alin: lol, justinh
[19:06:28] justinh: nothing is ever supported in linux until it is :)
[19:07:26] iamlindoro: Whoah... a chicken costs 236,000 Zimbabwean dollars
[19:07:54] iamlindoro: whoah.. never mind, the price of a chicken in Zimbabwe rose 236,00 PERCENT to 15 Million dollars
[19:08:14] justinh: remind me never to go there for my holidays
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[19:08:34] iamlindoro: Apparently 15 Million Z Dollars is roughly one of your Pounds, though, sooooo
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[19:08:51] justinh: thanks!
[19:09:11] directhex: zimbabwe has been terminated as a country
[19:09:12] iamlindoro: Hell of an exchange rate
[19:09:20] directhex: money has a fucking expiry date on it
[19:09:29] justinh: I fully intended to never come back here again, but I'm bored
[19:09:33] willg_: Would be awful to ask for change. Er, can I have that 5mil in 1's please?
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[19:09:42] iamlindoro: There's a pic on CNN of a little beggar boy with two footlong stacks of bills in his arms that he begged off the streets
[19:10:03] justinh: iamlindoro: tell somebody who has a conscience :)
[19:10:22] iamlindoro: HE looks pretty excited about it
[19:10:25] iamlindoro: er He
[19:10:44] justinh: wooo a millionaire! pity it's worth FA
[19:10:52] iamlindoro: Oh come now, there's a conscience in there somewhere
[19:11:27] justinh: I'm very capable of regret. I just want to do less stuff I end up regretting
[19:13:08] justinh: I'll check my patch still works with trunk tonight & put it on a ticket
[19:13:48] justinh: then maybe look at getting the autoexpiry list how I'd like it. since mrs is gonna be catching up on all the dope operas :)
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[19:17:48] jb1: Is there a way to delete an individual video source (my setup only allows me to delete them all)
[19:18:25] iamlindoro: unless you're a SQL monkey, no, you have to erase them all
[19:18:38] iamlindoro: and if you're a SQL monkey, then you don't need to ask the question in the first place :)
[19:18:38] jb1: ok, sql method?
[19:19:00] jb1: ok, so just go explore the schema and delete the rows that i need to.
[19:19:11] jb1: i imagine cascade all the deletes as well
[19:19:15] jb1: thanks for the help
[19:19:39] iamlindoro: more or less... far easier just to delete the cards and recreate them... so long as you don't erase your lineups, you won't lose any of your schedules recordings, etc
[19:20:07] iamlindoro: I can delete and recreate five tuners with no loss of schedules, lineups, etc., and have them recreated in under two minutes.
[19:20:38] jb1: issue is that i have set up channels and such, i thought that was all stored via the source
[19:20:43] GreyFoxx: sure you can delete individual video sources
[19:21:01] GreyFoxx: highlight the one you don't want and hit either D to delete, or M for menu and pick delete
[19:21:05] GreyFoxx: and possible DEL as well
[19:21:29] iamlindoro: GreyFoxx: Heh... wonder how I could have missed that all this time
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[19:21:48] jb1: wow, Capital D did it. i had tried delete in the past, it did nothing.
[19:21:54] jb1: hotness! Thanks GreyFoxx
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[19:22:19] iamlindoro: my bad then
[19:22:29] iamlindoro: sorry about that
[19:22:38] jb1: iamlindoro: No problem, i hadn't seen that either
[19:22:48] jb1: it wasn't mapped to delete, so i didn't assume to check with D
[19:26:07] arschjucken: my recordings dont show up in mythweb and frontend after i had altered the video sources and deleted all channels
[19:26:24] arschjucken: the video itself are still in place, but no one shows up (even new recorded shows)
[19:26:33] arschjucken: anyone a hint for me ? :)
[19:27:09] xris: re-fill your channel data?
[19:27:17] arschjucken: i did already
[19:27:19] xris: do they show up in the frontend?
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[19:27:32] arschjucken: no recordings in frontend and web
[19:27:34] xris: mythweb just gets the recording list straight from the backend..
[19:27:45] xris: sounds like maybe you deleted too much info
[19:27:54] arschjucken: files still in place, recorded table sane
[19:28:10] arschjucken: i jsut altered video sources and deleted all channels
[19:28:16] arschjucken: but channel are back in place
[19:28:23] xris: same chanids?
[19:28:25] xris: restart the backend?
[19:28:28] arschjucken: yep
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[19:28:37] arschjucken: they get the same when scanning dvbs
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[19:32:16] arschjucken: funny thing it still records my schedule for cheers episodes
[19:32:29] arschjucken: hmmm
[19:37:56] robbins61: quick question...whenever i have two sessions opened (my girlfriends and mine) i can't watch youtube videos...so i have to log into her account and end her session. Is there a way to achieve that from root terminal or something?
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[19:59:03] willg_: Another question for you fine folks. For the PiP function, do you need a TV with two tuners? Or just two tuners in your mythtv box?
[19:59:11] justinh: the latter
[19:59:21] justinh: two _available_ tuners
[19:59:25] justinh: (or more)
[19:59:26] willg_: Thanks again :D
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[20:03:36] justinh: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . ystuff.patch
[20:03:41] justinh: arse wrong window
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[20:31:20] justinh: hey some interesting news for dishnetwork users: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/318110
[20:31:34] justinh: hope!
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[20:32:19] AndyCap: Uh. modding the box? sounds like a TOS violation.
[20:32:57] xris: AndyCap: presumably only if you're renting it and thus it's not yours to mod
[20:33:57] AndyCap: xris: I wouldn't bet on them allowing any odd hardware to be used with the subscription, but haven't found their TOS yet
[20:34:34] xris: it might be in the ToS, but I think they allow third-party receivers as long as they're compliant.. or something like that.
[20:34:44] xris: kind of cool. too bad the price wasn't listed.
[20:34:57] justinh: $steep
[20:35:05] ma9mwah: anyone use 2x Nova-T 500 cards? i think they should play nicely together
[20:35:33] AndyCap: judging from their hdcp stance http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/faq/copy_p . . . /index.shtml it sounds like it belongs in the softcam/dodgy hardcam ghetto
[20:35:40] justinh: ma9mwah: in theory they should
[20:37:55] justinh: AndyCap: if the mods were that naughty, surely the company supplying them could be whacked as several console mod suppliers have already been – under the DMCA anything preventing the enforcement of copy protection is illegal
[20:38:31] AndyCap: justinh: the wheels of justice grind slowly.
[20:38:45] justinh: time will tell I suppose then.
[20:39:15] xris: AndyCap: 169time has been around for ages.. I keep expecting them to get sued away.
[20:39:16] AndyCap: certainly
[20:39:21] justinh: and I suppose until such a time as the mods are proven legit, there'll be no support in mythtv for it regardless of the guy submitting patches
[20:39:37] justinh: suppose/expect
[20:40:27] justinh: but then sagetv would be in hot water too since they're playing the game of accessory aswell
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[20:41:19] justinh: IANAL, but I get the impression that "here be a quagmire!"
[20:41:27] AndyCap: here be dragons.
[20:42:15] AndyCap: seems dish's TOS doesn't place any restrictions on the equipment. but no disassembly, reverseengineering, decompiling of any software or hardware withing any receiver or smartcard
[20:42:31] AndyCap: which would make installing a usb port a freaking miracle. :-P
[20:43:03] justinh: wonder if there's any similarity to the Sky STB mod board – which cunningly also adds a USB port to Sky TV STBs
[20:43:05] AndyCap: http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/about_us/r . . . r_agreement/ section 4.E
[20:43:50] AndyCap: heh, maybe the holes are already on the pcb. :P
[20:43:51] justinh: there might come a time when we all have to roll over & just go with whatever our providers hand us – either that or just abstain
[20:44:05] justinh: I vote for the latter
[20:44:17] directhex: iptv!
[20:44:18] justinh: though then, wtf am I gonna do for fun?
[20:44:24] directhex: no wait, that's even MORE proprietary
[20:44:31] directhex: justinh, www.xbox.com
[20:44:51] justinh: directhex: got one. bored. done it. python (ugh)
[20:45:05] directhex: justinh, who's talking about development?
[20:45:55] justinh: if I was into expensive consoles with expensive games I'd be all over them already
[20:46:26] directhex: expense is relative
[20:46:34] justinh: the days of me having _that_ much disposable income will not return until I a) win the lottery or b) retire
[20:47:03] iamlindoro: c) kill the missus and get away with it
[20:47:19] directhex: meh. 180 for the box, 15 for games. s' not bad
[20:47:28] directhex: compared to a bbc model b, back in the day
[20:47:30] justinh: struggle even more with bills then, though i could move into a bedsit & never move from there all day
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[20:47:54] justinh: directhex: bbc model b? roflmfao
[20:48:03] justinh: that was a DREAM back in the day
[20:48:22] justinh: jees. what'd £00 be worth now?
[20:48:26] justinh: er.. £300
[20:49:21] justinh: 300 hundred notes in 1982... inflates to.. hmm.. guessing about 1500 or so
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[20:51:00] justinh: whoah I wasn't far off. 1,406.53 GBP
[20:51:13] justinh: you could buy quite a meaty PC for that
[20:51:39] justinh: just goes to show how many kids with parents who bought em BBC computers were spoilt _rotten_ :P
[20:53:02] sphing: does anyone know of a tool other than that ffmpeg and midentify that will show the codec information for a file?
[20:53:34] justinh: come to think about it, really puts the 'one man operation' games into perspective too – they were a tenner a pop back then. these days your 400 man-year game at the same equivalent price looks like a bad deal for the companies of the present day
[20:54:18] justinh: sphing: IMHO ffmpeg will be the definitive
[20:54:40] justinh: problem is, they change the command structure & output more often than they change their underpants
[20:54:56] sphing: justinh, I have two files, both look identical, but one plays audio fine the other doesn't (the player in quicktime)
[20:55:04] gbee: yeah and the average games released now are little better than the games from the 80s
[20:55:04] sphing: but both have audio with mplayer/ffmpeg
[20:55:13] justinh: conclusion: quicktime is crap
[20:55:26] sphing: i agree... but its an appletv, so I don't have a choice
[20:55:34] AndyCap: haha, reminds me: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/u/kjc/cool/Card.on.Software.html
[20:55:58] sphing: hmm, is there any way to preserve 5.1 other than -acodec copy?
[20:56:15] iamlindoro: you could transcode from ac3 to 5.1 aac or vice versa I suppose
[20:57:21] justinh: ahh choice. I love choice :)
[20:57:34] sphing: my receiver doesn't do aac :(
[20:58:05] ** justinh resists the temptation to goad the proud owner of the ToyTV box **
[20:58:18] iamlindoro: Your receiver doesn't have to do AAC
[20:58:50] sphing: ... in the appletv case it does
[20:58:57] iamlindoro: Just decode the AAC is software (in fact, I'm not aware of any receiver that would interpret AAC)
[20:58:59] justinh: looks like the rest of the coding will happen tomorrow. not staying up all night playing with the compiler
[20:59:31] sphing: no aac decoding for quicktime...
[20:59:39] sphing: i'll play around with the ac3 a little more
[20:59:39] iamlindoro: BS
[20:59:47] iamlindoro: AAC is Apple's *baby*
[20:59:49] justinh: god, you don't svn up for a week, go to compile it & so many things have changed it takes years to build
[21:00:06] iamlindoro: (itunes music is AAC)
[21:00:09] justinh: iamlindoro: wouldn't be surprised of the appletv won't do surround
[21:00:13] justinh: s/of/if
[21:00:33] iamlindoro: justinh: *That* I could accept... AppleTV is limited in 1000 other ways, lord knows
[21:01:00] justinh: well, these folks keep buying them with the expectation they'll be able to turn them into something useful ;)
[21:01:39] justinh: maybe with linux on it.. maybe then I spose, but that's a whole other load of swings & roundabouts
[21:01:41] iamlindoro: justinh: Heh, only if there were no such thing as "bitrate."
[21:01:52] sphing: so it works very well...
[21:01:58] sphing: this is the first file ive had a problem with
[21:02:01] iamlindoro: or if h.264 bitrate maxed out at 5 Mbit or so
[21:02:14] justinh: sphing: what does ffmpeg have to say about the audio codecs then?
[21:02:14] sphing: for $229 its not a bad deal if you know what you're getting
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[21:02:31] sphing: Stream #0.1: Audio: liba52, 48000 Hz, 5:1, 448 kb/s
[21:02:45] justinh: sphing: for both files?
[21:02:52] sphing: yup
[21:02:57] iamlindoro: What is the file?
[21:03:17] sphing: Last nights lost
[21:03:40] iamlindoro: WTF is wrong with whomever encoded it? 448 kbit AC3?
[21:03:44] iamlindoro: what a fucking dumbass
[21:03:48] sphing: Stream #0.1: Audio: liba52, 48000 Hz, 5:1, 448 kb/s
[21:03:52] sphing: is from the one that works
[21:04:01] sphing: it was encoded from myth
[21:04:07] sphing: ffmpeg i did -acodec copy
[21:04:34] iamlindoro: If that's straight off ATSC then go to your local channel and punch their engineer in the face
[21:04:45] sphing: its firewire from my cable box.
[21:04:55] sphing: and yes, I'll head down and hit him
[21:05:05] iamlindoro: and tell him to shift that extra 300 or so kbit of bandwith into the picture
[21:06:30] iamlindoro: Anyway, it's a very safe bet that it's a legit AC3 stream since you didn't do any encoding of it
[21:06:33] sphing: sure, but bringing it back to the codec... as far as I can tell, ffmpeg reports them identically
[21:06:55] iamlindoro: sphing: If they're both straight off the box, they *are* both AC-3, ffmpeg isn't incorrect
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[21:07:16] iamlindoro: your problem is unlikely to be codec or bitrate, in that case
[21:07:36] justinh: gotta love quacktime
[21:07:48] justinh: well, somebody has to
[21:07:53] sphing: the one that works is from my neighbors hd-to-go or something
[21:08:42] iamlindoro: both the same container format?
[21:09:01] sphing: yup
[21:09:06] iamlindoro: which is?
[21:09:14] sphing: i can paste the full output in pastebin, one sec.
[21:09:51] justinh: maybe there was an AD track in the myth recording & that confuzzled the appletv
[21:10:29] gbee: might be something as simple as the audio stream being missing for the first few kb of the recording, quicktime probably doesn't look for stream changes so misses the audio appearing
[21:10:39] sphing: http://pastebin.com/d20e3a81
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[21:11:18] justinh: I'm really starting to doubt whether ccache is working on this dev box of mine
[21:11:25] robbins61: any boxing fans in here?
[21:11:36] justinh: there can't have been that many changes since the last compile sheesh
[21:11:45] iamlindoro: sphing: So you *did* do a transcode in myth first, this isn't straight off the STB after all
[21:12:02] iamlindoro: or, at least, you did a transcode/container change *somewhere*
[21:12:47] iamlindoro: Does the *original*, straight off the box file work properly? If so, then your transcode is the issue.
[21:13:06] sphing: http://pastebin.com/m70c3388d
[21:13:14] sphing: is what I ran against the file
[21:13:34] sphing: I don't have a box fast enough to play it from myth
[21:14:21] justinh: $229 would almost buy a quad core CPU, no?
[21:14:31] iamlindoro: I expect your transcode is the real issue here
[21:14:39] sphing: but lets be honest, it doesn't look anywhere near as nice as the atv
[21:15:03] justinh: yeah but stuff that really works seldom looks as nice as anything apple make
[21:15:07] iamlindoro: per something I just googled, apple TV has no xvid support
[21:15:23] sphing: yes, correct, I hacked it
[21:15:26] sphing: it works with xvid
[21:16:05] sphing: and yes I think transcoding is the problem, I guess ffmpeg doesn't report everything in the file?
[21:16:14] iamlindoro: OK, but now we are talking about a lot of points of failure here... who knows how far that hack works? Your bitrate is higher than your friends, perhaps the hack only allows up to x bitrate, etc.
[21:16:33] justinh: maybe the _total_ bitrate is too high
[21:16:39] iamlindoro: sphing: ffmpeg's report is *not* the problem, it is accurately reporting everything it is intended to report
[21:16:50] sphing: I'm not saying its incorrect
[21:16:54] sphing: I'm saying its incomplete
[21:17:03] justinh: ffmpeg incomplete? hahahahaha
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[21:17:34] justinh: you can say a lot about ffmpeg & related gear but not that anything is incomplete
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[21:17:57] justinh: I think iamlindoro is onto something re the bitrate
[21:17:57] iamlindoro: I'd crank that bitrate way down and cross fingers, personally
[21:18:07] sphing: ... I'm saying that ffmpeg is missing any functionality now... I'm saying that it isn't reporting all the differences between the files
[21:18:25] sphing: iamlindoro, thanks, I'll give that a try.. I'll completely drop the video and give it a shot
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[21:18:48] justinh: the problem might be the transcode, it might be the hack. it might be something else. there are plenty of unknowns
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[21:19:53] justinh: before I had anything capable of playing xvid/divx in the livingroom I used to _painstakingly_ convert everything to mpeg2 & burn it to DVD. oh boy
[21:19:56] sphing: I agree... but original question was, is there anything that will dump more information about a video file.
[21:20:10] justinh: sphing: not really. ffmpeg is as good as it gets
[21:20:16] sphing: thats what I thought...
[21:20:17] iamlindoro: mplayer -vo null -ao null -frames 2 -identify filename
[21:20:31] rico4295: i'm getting a config.err about lame, anyone plz
[21:20:34] iamlindoro: But that will just be a lot of junk info, ffmpeg is by far the best source of interpretable info
[21:20:47] iamlindoro: not to mention more accurate
[21:20:59] sphing: thats what I feared, thanks again.
[21:21:01] justinh: rico4295: getting an error. right. something is wrong
[21:21:42] rico4295: i went thru synaptic and grabed lame but still get the err
[21:21:46] justinh: an error? what error? knowing the exact error message might enable people here to help
[21:22:16] iamlindoro: btw, I'm seeing some stuff that says total max bitrate on the AppleTV is 5 Mbit, but who knows how/if that applies to any xvid hack
[21:22:17] justinh: rico4295: I suspect you've only installed the lame binaries, not the headers.. you need libmp3lame-dev or something with -dev in its name
[21:22:53] sphing: iamlindoro, yes the total max bitrate is for h264
[21:23:07] rico4295: ty I will look into that further
[21:23:12] sphing: it actually plays quite well at 6mbps for xvid
[21:23:13] justinh: sphing: your transcode script is putting the video bitrate at 5mbits AFAICT
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[21:23:45] iamlindoro: which ffmpeg will float around, and not nail on the nose
[21:23:46] sphing: yes, its intentional, I'm going to drop it to like 500kbps and give it a shot
[21:24:00] iamlindoro: I'd drop all the way to 3 Mbit for the test, myself
[21:24:11] justinh: at the res you're talking about you only need 2mbits max I guess
[21:24:26] justinh: but try 3 first
[21:25:29] justinh: rico4295: running ubuntu I soon learned to use apt-cache search rather than use synaptic :)
[21:25:46] iamlindoro: Bet the ATV is a lot like the iPod... If you go above their bitrates it won't even *try*
[21:25:55] justinh: commandlines are less noob friendly but usually a faster way to get things done
[21:26:08] justinh: woo compilering has finished :)
[21:26:31] justinh: I may need a plan to pull off this change
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[21:27:10] sphing: iamlindoro, yes its definitely sensitive, but it works very well once you give it what it wants.
[21:27:20] iamlindoro: Don't we all
[21:27:49] justinh: sensitive? moi?!?!?!?!?!
[21:28:01] sphing: dropped it down to 500k video bitrate and still no audio
[21:28:32] sphing: whats interesting that I just noticied, quicktime thinks the video is 4 hours long
[21:29:03] iamlindoro: sphing: bet you got a few frames of 29.97 fps video in at the front... that can confuzor ffmpeg
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[21:29:43] iamlindoro: since HD channels switch between resolutions and framerates all the time... bet if you chop off a little closer to the actual video to remove any blank SD 29.97 frames, it might work better
[21:29:48] justinh: starting at the bottom. need a new menu button type. TV_EXPIRY
[21:31:04] iamlindoro: sphing: What I'm getting at is, if ATV (or MythTV, for that matter) sees 29.97 video on the first frame, it will say, ok, totalframes/29.97 = number of seconds... and you get multiples of your actual length
[21:31:09] sphing: iamlindoro, something else interesting, if i skip the first 30secs of the video when reencoding, the audio clicks whereas it didn't before
[21:31:14] iamlindoro: even though Lost is coming in at 60 fps
[21:32:09] sphing: ah, i picked 29.97 because lost actually comes in at 59.94
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[21:33:00] rico4295: justinh think i got a little further
[21:33:42] justinh: rico4295: are you on something debian-based by any chance?
[21:33:52] rico4295: configure out'd basic setting and ended with qmake: not found
[21:33:55] iamlindoro: sphing: You might consider doing an *actual* transcode of the AC3 to 192 Kbit, which will preserve 5.1 channel, save you a bit of space, and you can use -async 1 to get good audio sync, too
[21:33:55] justinh: rico4295: if so, sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins
[21:34:09] rico4295: es ubuntu 7.10
[21:34:18] justinh: rico4295: that line will get everything you need to build mythtv from source
[21:35:08] justinh: whoah is the upcoming recordings list really just like 20 lines of cpp?!
[21:35:23] justinh: nah. can't be
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[21:36:44] sphing: iamlindoro, mencoder gives audio... ffmpeg doesn't
[21:36:48] sphing: so great...
[21:37:25] iamlindoro: ffmpeg is the most advanced tool, probably just a matter of figuring out the command line that works properly... what the heck, use what works
[21:37:50] sphing: http://pastebin.com/mb59d036
[21:38:43] iamlindoro: Like I said, what the heck, I don't own stock in ffmpeg, use what works ;)
[21:39:12] sphing: mencoder has a bug with avi files over 1023mbs
[21:39:15] sphing: so I can't use it
[21:39:39] sphing: http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mencoder- . . . /003512.html
[21:40:02] sphing: I'm not a video guy at all, but something to do with the odml chunk after the file gets greater than 1023mb
[21:40:30] iamlindoro: sphing: Well, back to the original suggestion then, I guess... might just do a quick transcode on the audio at the same time... won't add much time and will save you a bit of space
[21:40:54] iamlindoro: Leave it the same format, maybe crunch the excessive bitrate a bit, and you should be in good shape
[21:40:55] sphing: ac3 192kbits you recommend?
[21:40:58] iamlindoro: yeah
[21:41:02] sphing: ok i'll give it a shot
[21:41:05] iamlindoro: and use -async 1
[21:41:12] sphing: ok
[21:41:29] iamlindoro: which isn't always strictly necessary, but when you get broken video frames, it saves you from out-of-sync audio and that is a *nice* feature
[21:43:41] sphing: still doesn't work with ffmpeg
[21:43:55] sphing: -acodec ac3 -ac 6 -ab 192k
[21:43:56] iamlindoro: hmm, weird indeed
[21:44:17] iamlindoro: might ask in #ffmpeg (although you should know that they are sloooooowwww about responding)
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[21:44:30] iamlindoro: I have passable ffmpeg skills, but sometimes it pays to go to the source
[21:44:37] sphing: might have to go with something hacky... like mencoder encodes it into 1 gig chucks, then ffmpeg to combine?
[21:45:14] iamlindoro: I'd see that as a last resort
[21:45:35] justinh: whaaaaaaaaaaat? how the heck does upcoming() get called by the menu parser?
[21:45:49] justinh: you think you sort of know stuff, then you find out otherwise
[21:47:22] sphing: ffmpeg( mencoder mythfile )
[21:47:22] justinh: the upcoming recordings (aka 'conflict window') screen comes from viewsheduled.cpp, it has a type of tv_upcoming_recordings yet no cpp file has mention of that action. something funky is going on underneath this methinks
[21:47:24] sphing: works
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[21:57:22] sphing: iamlindoro, just to add another complication, ffmpeg works with -acodec copy if its in a mov container.
[21:57:39] iamlindoro: sphing: Interesting! Any issue with usng that container instead?
[21:57:42] iamlindoro: er using
[21:57:52] justinh: avi is a borked container anyway
[21:58:13] iamlindoro: MP4 is my container of choice when transcoding
[21:58:21] iamlindoro: AVI *is* a borked container.
[21:58:30] iamlindoro: POS puts the index at the END of the file, WTF?
[21:58:39] sphing: no reason, I just picked avi out of thin air
[21:59:01] sphing: trying mp4
[21:59:18] sphing: conversly the video is choppy in a mov where it isn't in an avi
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[22:04:48] beakster: hi. I've just setup up myth, and mythweb is showing duplicate channels
[22:05:26] johndbritton: in mythtv there is a setting that allows you to force mythtv to save a certain amount of free space, is there any way to set this higher than 200GB
[22:06:41] sphing: mp4/libfaac seems to work (with a short file), but the audio is much louder
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[22:09:26] beakster: ok, sorted in in mythweb config
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[22:12:53] justinh: johndbritton: AFAIK there's no limit
[22:13:03] johndbritton: it stops at 200
[22:13:19] justinh: must be hard coded then
[22:13:25] justinh: easy to change but needs an edit in the source
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[22:16:10] justinh: johndbritton: ah yeah line 599 of globalsettings.cpp – GlobalSpinBox *bs = new GlobalSpinBox("AutoExpireExtraSpace", 0, 200, 1);
[22:16:20] Hoxzer: AARGH update again :D I have compiled mythtv 0.21 fixes 3 times today
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[22:16:49] johndbritton: i think that should be changed
[22:16:50] justinh: easy change to submit but if attached to a ticket now it likely won't be seen til 0.22
[22:16:56] johndbritton: ah
[22:16:58] johndbritton: how would i do that
[22:17:38] justinh: download the source for svn trunk, change the line, run svn diff to make a patch, go to svn.mythtv.org & create a new ticket. attach the patch to the ticket
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[22:18:06] justinh: 500 enough?
[22:18:22] johndbritton: yeah, i have a 660GB raid array im using
[22:19:25] tjcarter: and you want Myth to leave more than 200 of it without recordings?
[22:20:09] justinh: there's your patch: http://pastebin.ca/914466
[22:20:45] justinh: oops. ffs I just succumbed to a user request. where did I leave those knives?
[22:25:52] justinh: oh wait. it's ok. when requests are dead easy changes & take < 5 mins it's alright to run off & code em up :)
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[22:26:19] iamlindoro: It's important to have guidelines
[22:26:52] justinh: I need to learn some new copy/paste tricks so I can get the list of recordings which is gonna expire
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[22:27:54] justinh: I suppose it wouldn't be too bad to make a new cpp for that. base it on viewscheduled.cpp & hack it to bits
[22:28:43] justinh: note to self – remember to update the mythfrontend.pro file this time!
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[22:34:34] justinh: hmmm thinking about this, it might just be aswell to make a new group view instead for 'watch recordings'
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[22:36:45] justinh: I hate it when there are so many possible ways of doing things. best vs easiest is always tough to call
[22:37:41] justinh: think it might make more sense to put it in 'manage recordings'. better than in the status screen IMHO
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[22:42:00] justinh: whoah. new case scenario. show livetv and / or regular recordings? sort by title or order of expiry (reverse date recorded) ?
[22:42:05] justinh: the plot thickens
[22:43:48] justinh: use some stats & try to give an estimate of how long til each recording will be expired...
[22:44:04] justinh: this could be nice to have
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[23:07:15] cafuego: presumptious85: tadah
[23:07:20] presumptious85: lol
[23:07:43] cafuego: People here are more likely to know, and there's a lot less noise
[23:07:53] presumptious85: lol
[23:07:55] presumptious85: cool
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[23:08:03] cafuego: well, apart from justinh perhaps
[23:08:08] presumptious85: so i need help in choosing a tv tuner
[23:08:25] directhex: a blue one
[23:08:26] presumptious85: that works with windows as well as ubuntu
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[23:08:30] directhex: blue makes components faster
[23:08:43] cafuego: presumptious85: ... and apart from directhex ;-)
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[23:09:05] directhex: cafuego, it's as good advice as any, without clues as to the type of tuner
[23:09:12] presumptious85: i currently have hauppage HVR1600 but ready to dumb it since it doesnt work
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[23:09:43] presumptious85: preferably a HDtv tuner too
[23:10:07] presumptious85: pcHDTV HD5500 looks nice
[23:10:15] presumptious85: but it doesnt work on windows
[23:10:23] presumptious85: so says the site
[23:10:31] cafuego: presumptious85: So you want a HD tuner, right :-)
[23:10:41] presumptious85: HD tv tuner
[23:10:48] presumptious85: lol
[23:10:59] presumptious85: tryna out smart me eh!
[23:11:11] ** cafuego would be surprised if they don't work on windows, as that's the market they tend to be designed for. **
[23:11:20] cafuego: or does it work on windows, but not on vista...
[23:11:22] |Torg|: sure, ok HD Tv, DVB-S, DVB-C, DVB-T or ATSC?
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[23:11:29] directhex: the pchdtv has a tux on the side
[23:12:07] presumptious85: hmm
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[23:12:16] presumptious85: wats the difference torg
[23:12:18] presumptious85: ?
[23:12:28] |Torg|: where you get signal, and where you live
[23:12:41] directhex: satelite, cable, over-the-air, or america's crummy over-the-air variant
[23:12:59] presumptious85: analog cable and antenna i guess
[23:13:03] |Torg|: DVB-S and S2 are for sat, -c for cable, -T for terestrial, not to be confused with ATSC for US terstrial
[23:13:04] Hilikus: hey guys, i installed a new hard drive and i want to move all my videos to the new hard drive, can i just copy them and tell mythtv the new location to store files or that would screw up the DB?
[23:13:05] presumptious85: and digital cable
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[23:13:51] |Torg|: anolog tuners differ from digital ones
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[23:14:00] |Torg|: QAM is used for cable, not for brodcasting
[23:14:13] |Torg|: what you are asking for may be combined but will have seperate tuners
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[23:14:22] presumptious85: yeaa
[23:14:33] presumptious85: like the one i presently have is combined
[23:14:45] presumptious85: but after researching , alot of them are combined
[23:15:20] directhex: combined tuners are by and large terrible
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[23:15:57] presumptious85: why would that be?
[23:16:09] presumptious85: arent they meant to be advantagious?
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[23:16:30] directhex: the analog part tends to be what's called a framegrabber
[23:16:43] directhex: which basically captures raw frames, and relies on your cpu to deal with the output
[23:16:45] cafuego: i expect they're probably average at both jobs, as opposed to good at a single one
[23:17:11] directhex: there are multiple downsides to framegrabbers beyond just the cpu usage
[23:17:26] |Torg|: digital tuners require relitvly littel hardware, its just tune in it, grab the stream, extact parts
[23:17:50] |Torg|: analog tuners have to tune signal, adujst for drift, convert the signal to digital
[23:18:04] |Torg|: that last converson is done via your CPU, is what directhex is referring to
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[23:18:24] |Torg|: if it is done via the card , the card has onboard mpeg encoders, and cost more
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[23:19:00] directhex: there are no working drivers for the mpeg encoder parts of the relatively few encoder/digital hybrids
[23:19:01] presumptious85: interesting
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[23:20:12] presumptious85: and so for an presently analog receiver like me, what would u suggest?
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[23:20:19] presumptious85: i'm canadian btw
[23:20:32] presumptious85: technically canadian
[23:20:49] cafuego: heh, what is *that* supposed to mean? :-)
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[23:21:17] |Torg|: he is on Toronto
[23:21:28] |Torg|: I dunno what he means by technically tho :)
[23:21:35] cafuego: aah, across the skinny bridge and the lake
[23:21:36] presumptious85: well, i'm an international student that has been living in toronto for close to 4 yrs
[23:22:08] iamlindoro: It's alike slightly pregnant
[23:22:12] iamlindoro: er like
[23:22:14] Hilikus_: any ideas how to change the location of all my videos?
[23:22:22] iamlindoro: man cp
[23:22:35] |Torg|: cpio
[23:22:48] presumptious85: lol
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[23:23:12] iamlindoro: man mv
[23:23:13] iamlindoro: hehe
[23:23:26] |Torg|: no man cpio, the example is in the manpage :P
[23:23:49] |Torg|: find . -depth -mount -print | cpio -pdmuv /path/to/goto
[23:23:55] |Torg|: drop the v if you dont care to watch it go
[23:24:14] cafuego: -depth?
[23:24:25] cafuego: ah
[23:24:30] cafuego: handy :-)
[23:24:39] |Torg|: umm look at the man page
[23:24:44] presumptious85: so torg and directhex, i assume you both have tv tuners?
[23:24:48] cafuego: ALready done, dad
[23:24:49] presumptious85: since u know alot
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[23:25:03] |Torg|: know alot, hardly
[23:25:14] |Torg|: and yes I have 4
[23:25:23] presumptious85: lol
[23:25:25] iamlindoro: It's a fair bet that 80%+ of all Myth users have a tuner
[23:25:26] presumptious85: 4444????
[23:25:39] directhex: i've got a pair of dvb-t tuners
[23:25:52] |Torg|: I hav two atsc tuners and two dvb-s tuners
[23:25:57] iamlindoro: directhex: 2 x multirec = lots
[23:26:08] directhex: iamlindoro, no shit!
[23:26:20] presumptious85: cool
[23:26:23] cafuego: presumptious85: If you live somewhere that has more than 2 channels with stuff worth watching, 4 recorders is handy.
[23:26:27] iamlindoro: let me amend, 2 x multirec = more than there are good programs
[23:26:50] presumptious85: wow
[23:26:55] presumptious85: 4 recorders
[23:27:04] presumptious85: ok then
[23:27:09] presumptious85: recommend them all
[23:27:13] |Torg|: and atsc is great if you love telvangelists
[23:27:17] presumptious85: and let me research on them
[23:27:23] cafuego: iamlindoro: not quite, we sometimes get a block of 4 programs, 2×2 — with lead time and end time, more recorders means missing less.
[23:28:00] iamlindoro: cafuego: nobody says you haveto leave the number of recorders at the default
[23:28:16] |Torg|: there is a default?
[23:28:18] ** cafuego has 2 and misses out on stuff :-( **
[23:28:31] cafuego: iamlindoro: s/recorders/tuners/
[23:28:44] iamlindoro: |Torg|: two is the default per tuner on multirec, but you can crank that up
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[23:28:58] iamlindoro: presuming your card allows for it, of course
[23:29:09] presumptious85: help a brother out here
[23:29:13] directhex: 5 without editing the source
[23:29:26] |Torg|: I dont use multirec, not allot of use for it in ATSC or dvb-s
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[23:29:36] directhex: presumptious85, multirec is a feature which allows one digital tuner to record more than one channel at once, if certain conditions are met
[23:29:56] presumptious85: oh
[23:30:01] presumptious85: that crazy cool
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[23:30:25] clever[rev]: several streams of aud/vid are on a single radio freq
[23:30:28] |Torg|: presumptious85: you have to understand a channel != frequency, or tuning. Two or more pids make what we call a channel, streams opften have many
[23:30:36] clever[rev]: the card can only do 1 freq at once
[23:30:51] |Torg|: it can only TUNE, a frequencey, one
[23:31:02] |Torg|: that is actualyt eh defenition of what a tuner is
[23:31:12] cafuego: is that where myth says "... on same multiplex" ?
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[23:31:17] iamlindoro: yup
[23:31:18] |Torg|: yes
[23:31:54] directhex: presumptious85, as a practical example, all over-the-air tv in the uk (about 30 channels, plus radio) are broadcast on a total of six frequencies. where multiple channels are on the same frequency, multirec can record them all. if they're on different frequencies, multiple tuners are required
[23:31:55] presumptious85: hmm
[23:32:11] cafuego: Hmm. I don't suppose my card can do multirec though, it's a bit cheapishishish
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[23:32:33] presumptious85: wat about in the U.S
[23:32:38] presumptious85: ?
[23:32:45] presumptious85: maybe like in new york?
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[23:33:08] iamlindoro: Can be useful for ATSC, I get two network channels per multiplex, so I can record NBC/ABC on one ATSC card, and Fox/CBS on the other
[23:33:27] directhex: presumptious85, it's something that can be done with direct digital recpetion (i.e. signal -> computer), though the number of channels per multiplex varies geographically
[23:33:37] directhex: and nt everyone can do direct digital reception, due to copy protection
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[23:34:27] presumptious85: ok
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[23:35:25] presumptious85: so with an analog cable then, i can certainly have more than one channel on a frequency
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[23:35:32] iamlindoro: no
[23:35:36] iamlindoro: no multirec with analog
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[23:35:49] iamlindoro: multirec is for *digital* reception
[23:36:25] cafuego: And surely stations there broadcast in digital as well these days.
[23:36:36] presumptious85: yeaa they do
[23:36:44] presumptious85: but u need a box for that
[23:36:50] iamlindoro: presumptious85: unlikely
[23:36:56] iamlindoro: presumptious85: They just TELL you that
[23:37:02] presumptious85: lol
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[23:37:16] iamlindoro: The FCC requires cable companies to open local channels in the clear, in digital, without a box
[23:37:16] cafuego: presumptious85: a digital set-top box, so your analog tv can grab the input, sure.
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[23:37:47] presumptious85: oh wow
[23:37:47] iamlindoro: You just need a QAM-capable digital tuner to record them. Most people get the network channels in the clear, digitally, without a box
[23:38:00] |Torg|: not QAM, VSB
[23:38:04] presumptious85: no wonder
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[23:38:17] presumptious85: i did get about 2 channel on my present QAM
[23:38:19] iamlindoro: |Torg|: Given we are talking about Cable, no
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[23:38:24] iamlindoro: QAM
[23:38:34] presumptious85: channels*
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[23:38:48] presumptious85: or was it ATSC
[23:38:50] presumptious85: ?
[23:38:56] |Torg|: sorry I thought you were talking abotu ATSC
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[23:39:20] iamlindoro: presumptious85: if the feed is via a cable company, it's QAM
[23:40:12] presumptious85: yeaa it from a company called rogers
[23:40:21] |Torg|: does rogers give you digital cable?
[23:40:55] iamlindoro: presumptious85: If you're lucky and happen to live near Greyfoxx there in Canada, you may well get everything via firewire from a cable box, too
[23:41:21] presumptious85: lol
[23:41:26] |Torg|: he dosnt
[23:41:33] presumptious85: dont know where greyfox is
[23:41:42] GreyFoxx: Halifax
[23:41:52] presumptious85: i just kno alittle bit about toronto
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[23:42:06] presumptious85: lol
[23:42:08] presumptious85: lol
[23:42:10] presumptious85: lol
[23:42:26] presumptious85: i thought greyfox was a place
[23:42:26] presumptious85: lol
[23:42:27] presumptious85: or a town or city
[23:42:38] iamlindoro: This is a lot of laughing out loud
[23:42:55] |Torg|: GreyFoxx is a person, who lives in a differnt province then you. hence my statement that he wasnt close
[23:43:07] |Torg|: and you have rogers cable, well known for encrytping EVERYTHING
[23:43:09] iamlindoro: anyway, it's always worth checking out, getting your channels via firewire is awfully nice if it's available, and it may well be
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[23:43:38] GreyFoxx: A lot of people in the -users mailling list have mentioned success with rogerts and firewire these days
[23:43:42] GreyFoxx: not sure where they are though
[23:43:59] presumptious85: hmm
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[23:44:08] presumptious85: so right now
[23:44:27] presumptious85: i use rogers
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[23:44:42] presumptious85: and i receive about 60 channels
[23:44:50] presumptious85: 50 or 60 not exactly sure
[23:45:10] |Torg|: does your stb have a firewire port?
[23:45:20] presumptious85: stb?
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[23:45:31] |Torg|: Set Top Box
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[23:46:19] presumptious85: yeaa
[23:46:27] presumptious85: but it belongs to my landlord
[23:46:34] |Torg|: the box?
[23:46:41] presumptious85: yep
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[23:47:04] |Torg|: well its not like you going to hav to unscrew the case, just plug a firewire into it and into you comptuer and see if it works
[23:47:09] presumptious85: my reception is kinda tapped
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[23:47:58] presumptious85: wats a firewire though?
[23:48:14] iamlindoro: hooooo boy
[23:48:23] |Torg|: firewire is a connection type, looks sorta like usb with a rounded edge, or at least one type of firewire connector is
[23:48:37] ** iamlindoro has premonitions of an uphill myth install battle **
[23:48:38] robbins61: obbammmaaaaaaaaa!
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[23:48:51] |Torg|: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewire
[23:49:05] |Torg|: if its on wikipedia its got to be true :P
[23:49:12] presumptious85: lol
[23:49:25] iamlindoro: robbins61: Brotha, I love him too, but he didn't *do* anything today
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[23:49:38] johndbritton: anyone used mythtvfs?
[23:49:41] presumptious85: Obama is dope
[23:49:44] siXy: jimbo 'feel my truthiness' wales
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[23:50:14] |Torg|: I just saw him
[23:50:14] siXy: and his wonderful trivia-pedia :)
[23:50:18] iamlindoro: or did he do that water into wine/walk on water party trick again?
[23:50:26] presumptious85: oh torg
[23:50:31] presumptious85: i dont have that
[23:50:39] presumptious85: i just have a normal cozial cable
[23:50:47] johndbritton: ive got it installed and working, really nice. but when i try and share the resulting directory using samba the friendly filenames dont show on the other machines
[23:50:52] presumptious85: coaxial cable
[23:50:54] iamlindoro: mmm, cozial, sounds comfy
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[23:50:54] |Torg|: presumptious85: then you need a stb, with subscritopn and a firewire connection
[23:51:41] presumptious85: lol
[23:51:46] iamlindoro: or, as previously discussed, if anything in the clear digitally, you can tune with a digital tuner card, or just using old fashion poopy analog
[23:51:49] presumptious85: too broke for that at the moment
[23:51:59] siXy: johndbritton: it only stores names as file metadata. you will need somehting that read that metadata to see the pretty names
[23:52:40] johndbritton: siXy: 'it' is referring to mythtvfs?
[23:52:46] siXy: johndbritton: yes
[23:52:54] presumptious85: a digital tuner card would do nicely
[23:53:02] justinh: johndbritton: fwiw, dsmyth was always good enough. now I just use mythrename.pl --link $somedirname
[23:53:10] johndbritton: on the command line i type ls and i see the pretty names
[23:53:11] presumptious85: but i need one that is comaptible with windows and ubuntu
[23:53:15] iamlindoro: Be awful sure there is in-the-clear digital transmission in your area before you buy
[23:53:37] johndbritton: but if i share with samba, the remote machines don't... does this mean i need mythtvfs on the remote machines
[23:53:39] siXy: johndbritton: yeah, because you have a mythtvfs module decoding the metadata
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[23:53:43] |Torg|: well presumptious85 unless you want to put up an antenna, you are going to have to use a stb and firewire
[23:53:44] johndbritton: ah
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[23:53:49] johndbritton: justinh: can you elaborate
[23:53:51] siXy: but that module aint there on your windows box
[23:54:01] johndbritton: what does that do
[23:54:11] iamlindoro: |Torg|: No. In-the-clear QAM is also an option
[23:54:15] johndbritton: siXy: or my mac or my other linux box
[23:54:21] justinh: mythrename.pl creates symbolic links with pretty names
[23:54:25] |Torg|: no iamlindoro, not for him
[23:54:25] johndbritton: ah
[23:54:36] presumptious85: ok
[23:54:37] iamlindoro: |Torg|: What makes you say that?
[23:54:45] johndbritton: justinh: where can i find that script... i installed via ubuntu 7.10 repos
[23:54:50] presumptious85: so i dont know if i have in the clear
[23:54:51] |Torg|: he gets Candina Rogers cable, they encrypt everything
[23:54:58] justinh: and dsmyth is a nifty thing that lets you hover the mouse over a samba share of recordings & shows metadata
[23:55:12] johndbritton: ah
[23:55:12] justinh: johndbritton: effed if I know. I'm no fan of umbongo
[23:55:15] iamlindoro: presumptious85: what's your postal code?
[23:55:22] siXy: johndbritton: hmm. you could try loading the mythtvfs module on your linux box and see if that makes it work, but i would be slightly surprised if it did
[23:55:27] justinh: johndbritton: google knows
[23:55:28] johndbritton: where would it be normally justinh
[23:55:32] presumptious85: but i am certainly receiving close to 50 channels
[23:55:38] presumptious85: on a coaxial cable
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[23:55:51] iamlindoro: presumptious85: That's likely analog reception
[23:55:51] presumptious85: M9V1P4
[23:55:53] siXy: but if i were you i would just use the mythrename.pl script
[23:56:13] justinh: siXy: with the --link option or it'll fuck things up nice ;)
[23:56:40] siXy: uh yeah :) that would be bad
[23:56:42] presumptious85: ok doro
[23:57:13] justinh: I spose it's too late to wish the windows mythtv stuff would just die on its arse & everybody gives up on it :(
[23:57:27] iamlindoro: presumptious85: What's your city again?
[23:57:32] presumptious85: toronto
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[23:58:23] tjcarter: mythtvfs?
[23:58:32] iamlindoro: looks like there are about 40 unencrypted QAM channels for toronto/Rogers, but it's mostly Music channels
[23:58:49] siXy: tjcarter: a fuse pos
[23:58:57] johndbritton: tjcarter: a fuse filesystem for pretty filenames of mythtv videos
[23:59:11] johndbritton: yeah im going to look into mythrename
[23:59:12] johndbritton: thanks all
[23:59:17] presumptious85: i did get 2 movie channels once
[23:59:18] |Torg|: mythrename works fine
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[23:59:33] presumptious85: havently tried it recently
[23:59:38] justinh: so, who do we pay to have the work on windows mythtv stopped? ;)
[23:59:45] presumptious85: i just uses the normal NTSC

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