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| [00:05:06] | gentoofan23: | Hi, I'm using mythtv from the -fixes branch on gentoo(svn revision 14972. I'm trying to export some video files into a native archive using mytharchive. However, when I attempt to export it, it gives me this: MythNativeWizard: Failed to open file for writing – /archive/Pirates1/Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl/1061_20061225200000.mpg.xml. Any ideas? |
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| [00:08:51] | a1fa: | anybody watched that Jumper movie? |
| [00:17:16] | Kazan: | wee |
| [00:17:20] | ** Kazan bought a car today ** | |
| [00:19:20] | Kazan: | !!! |
| [00:19:35] | Kazan: | toshia has thrown in the towel |
| [00:19:36] | Kazan: | http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews . . . chnologyNews |
| [00:19:39] | Kazan: | toshiba* |
| [00:21:09] | tjcarter: | HD-DVD is dead! |
| [00:21:15] | mzb: | gentoofan23: mytharchive can't get files streamed from the backend, you need to ensure that file + dir are available on the host you're using mytharchive on |
| [00:21:22] | mzb: | (and writable) |
| [00:22:47] | tjcarter: | No one answered the phone at Toshiba's PR headquarters... |
| [00:23:00] | gentoofan23: | mzb: So that error message means not that I can't write to that directory, but that it can't copy the source file? |
| [00:23:04] | tjcarter: | That certainly meshes with my experience of Toshiba's support, yes =D |
| [00:24:51] | tjcarter: | a1fa: I want to see Jumper |
| [00:25:01] | mzb: | gentoofan23: it probably means that a) the dir doesn't exist on the mytharchiving host AND/OR b) it's not writable |
| [00:25:18] | mzb: | (by the user running mytharchive ... usually "mythtv") |
| [00:25:31] | gentoofan23: | ok, its myth here. |
| [00:25:36] | gentoofan23: | Thanks, I'll try that |
| [00:32:42] | gentoofan23: | mzb: I mounted the directory(nfs) and yet I get the same error. The permissions are all Ok. |
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| [00:33:23] | mzb: | so the "myth" user is able to create directories on that share? |
| [00:34:11] | gentoofan23: | not the share. I am not archiving onto the share. |
| [00:34:35] | gentoofan23: | I should only need the share(the recordings) for reading purposes, correct? |
| [00:35:36] | mzb: | depends where mytharchive has it's temp dir set |
| [00:36:13] | mzb: | which I would suggest (from the error msg) is /archive/Pira.... |
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| [00:37:17] | gentoofan23: | That's what I'm guessing. I can't tell from the logs though. |
| [00:37:22] | gentoofan23: | Let me check if there is a setting for it. |
| [00:37:34] | gentoofan23: | there is a /archive/work though so maybe... |
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| [00:38:18] | gentoofan23: | mzb: temp directory is /archive |
| [00:39:31] | mzb: | does /archive/Pirates1 exist? |
| [00:39:44] | gentoofan23: | no |
| [00:40:08] | mzb: | you probably need to mount the partition on /archive with the "user" flag |
| [00:40:22] | mzb: | so that the user can create dirs in the root of the fs |
| [00:40:56] | gentoofan23: | /archive is on /, not sure if that's a good thing. The user myth owns /archive and has +w don it.d |
| [00:41:36] | mzb: | yes, but user=myth will still not be able to create dirs in the root of /archive/ without the user flag |
| [00:41:49] | gentoofan23: | let me check on that |
| [00:42:09] | mzb: | it will never remount properly, and you'll end up with the same problem every time you reboot |
| [00:42:25] | mzb: | just put "user" in the options field for /archive in /etc/fstab |
| [00:42:36] | mzb: | then umount + mount it |
| [00:42:44] | mzb: | (or do -o remount,user) |
| [00:43:01] | gentoofan23: | /archive is _not_ a separate filesystem. It is on / |
| [00:43:17] | gentoofan23: | But I'm going to get food. Back in a little while. Thanks for helping so far. |
| [00:46:26] | mzb: | ah, I see |
| [00:47:31] | mzb: | sounds like you've got something wrong with your settings ... I don't suppose you've got your temp dir set to /archive/Pirates1 in mythtv, but then failed to create it? |
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| [01:14:20] | clever is now known as clever[rev] | |
| [01:15:06] | clever[rev]: | xris: you know that 'window' that pops up in mythweb when i move my mouse over certain items? |
| [01:15:20] | xris: | yes |
| [01:15:28] | clever[rev]: | its not being hidden by default |
| [01:15:41] | clever[rev]: | so if i open upcoming for example theres 500 of them at the bottom |
| [01:15:44] | clever[rev]: | 1 ontop of the other |
| [01:15:55] | clever[rev]: | and similar problems elsewhere |
| [01:15:57] | xris: | svn up |
| [01:16:03] | xris: | kormoc fixed that awhile ago |
| [01:16:07] | clever[rev]: | ahh:) |
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| [01:16:24] | clever[rev]: | and the newest mythweb probly isnt compatible with my current backend |
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| [01:16:27] | clever[rev]: | so i'll have to up everything |
| [01:16:31] | xris: | correct |
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| [01:16:34] | xris: | as of about 30 mins ago |
| [01:16:38] | clever[rev]: | lol |
| [01:16:47] | clever[rev]: | just changed the proto again? |
| [01:17:19] | xris: | yeah |
| [01:17:24] | clever[rev]: | and do you know anything of the segfault caused with http://www.pastebin.ca/906478 ? |
| [01:17:24] | xris: | had to in order to fix a bug |
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| [01:30:18] | CCFL_Man3: | are inline l-band amplifiers required for some c band setups? |
| [01:30:54] | gentoofan23: | mzb: my temp dir is set to /archive. /archive is there. |
| [01:31:35] | russK: | Anyone know mytharchive? I'm having trouble in the Select Recordings screen ... I can't get to the OK button |
| [01:31:48] | mzb: | gentoofan23: is the dir group writable too? |
| [01:31:55] | mzb: | (jic) |
| [01:32:09] | gentoofan23: | mzb: It used to be, but I turned that off |
| [01:32:49] | mzb: | hmm |
| [01:33:29] | gentoofan23: | let me pastebin the directory structure |
| [01:34:39] | gentoofan23: | mzb: http://rafb.net/p/XyKekz52.html |
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| [01:35:18] | gentoofan23: | /archive itself is drwxr-xr-dx |
| [01:36:01] | mzb: | you said before that /archive/Pirates1 didn't exist |
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| [01:36:09] | mzb: | $ ls -la /archive/Pirates1 |
| [01:36:40] | gentoofan23: | It's empty |
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| [01:38:17] | gentoofan23: | apparently that was before I reran the mytharchive script |
| [01:38:25] | gentoofan23: | then Pirates1 was created |
| [01:38:35] | mzb: | I'd test the theory with another video then, something with only alphanumeric chars in the name ... I'm out of ideas otherwise |
| [01:39:02] | gentoofan23: | mmm, Ok. |
| [01:41:24] | mzb: | keep an eye on both the log files in the log dir |
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| [01:43:58] | a1fa: | balling |
| [01:46:23] | gentoofan23: | only one gets made |
| [01:46:28] | gentoofan23: | progress.log |
| [01:46:37] | gentoofan23: | I'm not burning anything, just copying files |
| [01:49:43] | mzb: | disk space? (I'm grabbing at straws now;) |
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| [01:52:27] | kreat0r: | what exactly is the difference between x.264 and h.264 |
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| [01:59:37] | Woosta: | the h and the x |
| [01:59:43] | Woosta: | :-D |
| [02:02:51] | gentoofan23: | mzb: nah / is 19%. I'll figure it out eventually. Thanks for helping though. |
| [02:03:03] | mzb: | np, good luck |
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| [02:13:21] | Kazan: | grrrr! |
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| [02:39:28] | DustyBin: | anyone here use a audiophile 2496 digital out/ |
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| [02:43:45] | Inssomniak: | anyone know of a howto for mythtv + asterisk to display caller ID from incoming calls? |
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| [02:47:51] | DustyBin: | i got digital out working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [02:48:01] | DustyBin: | but it sounds really dodgy |
| [02:49:10] | jamesd: | hmm.. dodgy... all the people must have a heavy english accent ;-) |
| [02:50:40] | Inssomniak: | I never had any issue with digital out, just plugged in cable, and off it went |
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| [02:56:22] | DustyBin: | its ok, i had my amp on PL II Neo 6 |
| [02:56:33] | DustyBin: | sounds nice now :D |
| [02:56:59] | DustyBin: | the only problem now is, mythtv dvd player, no sound |
| [02:57:07] | DustyBin: | TV works ok |
| [02:57:11] | MaverickTech is now known as MavT | |
| [02:57:21] | DustyBin: | ive turned on DTS in the audio settings |
| [02:58:38] | DustyBin: | could this be due to the fact that i need to physically connect the audio out of my internal dvd player to my amp? |
| [02:59:19] | DustyBin: | how strange it came on |
| [02:59:23] | DustyBin: | by itself o_0 |
| [03:00:54] | DustyBin: | excellent!!! mythtv running in |
| [03:01:00] | DustyBin: | digital audio!! :D |
| [03:01:11] | ** DustyBin celebrates ** | |
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| [03:02:35] | Mrhands2008: | I'm having trouble setting up mtyhtv on my avermedia dvb-t card, anybody got time to spare? |
| [03:03:59] | DustyBin: | Mrhands2008: first get that card working on linux, forget mythtv |
| [03:04:16] | DustyBin: | http://www.linuxtv.org/ <-- this is your friend |
| [03:04:29] | Mrhands2008: | Danke schön mister |
| [03:04:33] | Mrhands2008: | bbl |
| [03:04:36] | DustyBin: | once its working on linux, THEN you can install mythtv |
| [03:04:41] | DustyBin: | same goes with your sound card |
| [03:04:50] | Mrhands2008: | soundcard no probs.. |
| [03:04:51] | DustyBin: | get sound and video working BEFORE mythtv |
| [03:05:01] | Mrhands2008: | video is working too |
| [03:05:10] | DustyBin: | a lot of people associate problems with mythtv, but really it hasnt got anything to do with it |
| [03:05:41] | DustyBin: | Mrhands2008: then you wont have any problems with mythtv |
| [03:05:45] | Mrhands2008: | video is workin gin the sense of compressed video files, not sure about live fed tv |
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| [03:06:04] | DustyBin: | Mrhands2008: does your TV card work ? |
| [03:07:13] | Mrhands2008: | Ok, I'll admit, I'm on a friends desktop now, and I'm helping him getting it straight, but I'l try working out the device drivers, be back in a couple of hours... thx a bunch |
| [03:07:16] | Mrhands2008: | bunch |
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| [03:20:39] | Inssomniak: | anyone know anything about mythudpreplay? |
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| [03:46:36] | doobeh: | Trying to get my remote working, when I run "irw" I can see all the keypresses I'm doing, so it's all recognised in the system |
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| [03:46:53] | doobeh: | I've put the example lircrc file in the ~/mythtv/ folder |
| [03:47:15] | doobeh: | Anything obvious I've forgotten? |
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| [03:48:31] | Gokee2_Laptop: | Hello all, I am looking for a web mythtv thingy... I saw on google videos a while ago someone talking about mythtv and he was able to do stuff on a web site to his mythtv box at home. How do i set this up? Thanks |
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| [03:49:00] | doobeh: | Gokee2-- Have you got it working locally? |
| [03:49:28] | doobeh: | E.g. if you go to localhost on the backend server in a browser, do you see anything? |
| [03:49:54] | Gokee2_Laptop: | apache says the "it works!" |
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| [03:50:11] | doobeh: | try localhost/mythtv |
| [03:50:19] | doobeh: | or mythweb.. |
| [03:52:04] | Gokee2_Laptop: | Ahha I get access denied :) |
| [03:52:16] | Gokee2_Laptop: | (With mythweb |
| [03:53:47] | doobeh: | go to your apache web directory and have a look and see if there's stuff there |
| [03:54:15] | doobeh: | hopefully you just need to change permissions on the folder |
| [03:54:45] | Gokee2_Laptop: | ok |
| [03:55:02] | doobeh: | I'll dig out a nice guide I used to get it working *scurries off* |
| [03:55:39] | doobeh: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . hweb/INSTALL |
| [03:55:54] | doobeh: | assuming the files are there, you just need to follow it down from 4.2: permissions |
| [03:59:36] | Inssomniak: | anyone have problems in recent svn with playback of a one hour recording, but the time played/remaining being like 5 hours? when you skip forward 30 seconds, it says it skips 5 minutes? |
| [04:00:54] | Gokee2_Laptop: | Ah awsome thanks |
| [04:01:13] | doobeh: | Inssomniak: working alright for me (compiled it on Thurs) |
| [04:01:49] | Inssomniak: | also one hour recordings are breaking up into 2 or 3 parts randomly |
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| [04:15:09] | Gokee2_Laptop: | Hmm well I looked through that file found my .htaccess and changed it so it could get into the database. Now I get "error string: SQL Error: Error writing file './mythtv/mythweb_sessions.frm' (Errcode: 28) [#3]" anyone happen to know where this .mythweb is? |
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| [04:15:43] | xris: | .frm is the mysql table format file... sounds like a corrupt database |
| [04:17:02] | Salton: | Hi all. I'm trying to compile mythplugins from source (svn), and I'm getting the following error: /usr/local/include/mythtv/libmythui/mythpainter.h:10:20: error: compat.h: No such file or directory |
| [04:17:05] | Gokee2_Laptop: | :(! |
| [04:17:25] | Gokee2_Laptop: | I have been getting strange things in my mythfrontend on this computer |
| [04:17:25] | Salton: | any ideas? |
| [04:19:13] | mzb_d800: | has anyone played with the idea of doing OSD over an external app (eg. xine or mplayer) ?? |
| [04:20:42] | kdub: | why would you do that |
| [04:21:34] | jams: | Salton- which plugin did it fail in? |
| [04:21:40] | mzb_d800: | so I can (for example) push a button to display the name of a song currently being played by gxine |
| [04:22:07] | Salton: | it failed in mythcontrols. |
| [04:22:16] | jams: | Salton- i assume your have also updated mythtv to svn? |
| [04:22:29] | Salton: | yes |
| [04:22:43] | Gokee2_Laptop: | My hard drive is spinning like crasy!! |
| [04:23:09] | Gokee2_Laptop: | (I went to visit the the backend) |
| [04:23:51] | jams: | Salton- can you post the buld log, or at least the last 20 lines or so before it failed |
| [04:24:33] | jams: | also paste the contents of programs-libs.pro |
| [04:24:35] | Inssomniak: | is there any way to remove the seektables and start over? I think thats why my one hour playbacks are reporting 5 hours long, and seeking in the playback is really messed up |
| [04:25:02] | Salton: | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/steve/mythtv-svn/mythplugins/mythcontrols/mythcontrols' |
| [04:25:02] | Salton: | g++ -c -pipe -Wall -W -fomit-frame-pointer -D_REENTRANT -DPIC -fPIC -D_GNU_SOURCE -DPREFIX=\"\" -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -DQT_PLUGIN -DQT_SHARED -DQT_TABLET_SUPPORT -I/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -I/include -I/include -I/include/mythtv -I/usr/include/qt3 -o mythcontrols.o mythcontrols.cpp |
| [04:25:02] | Salton: | In file included from /usr/local/include/mythtv/libmythui/mythimage.h:6, |
| [04:25:02] | Salton: | from /usr/local/include/mythtv/libmythui/mythuiimage.h:9, |
| [04:25:03] | Salton: | from /usr/local/include/mythtv/libmythui/mythlistbutton.h:5, |
| [04:25:05] | Salton: | from mythcontrols.h:29, |
| [04:25:07] | Salton: | from mythcontrols.cpp:39: |
| [04:25:09] | Salton: | /usr/local/include/mythtv/libmythui/mythpainter.h:10:20: error: compat.h: No such file or directory |
| [04:25:11] | Salton: | In file included from mythcontrols.cpp:39: |
| [04:25:13] | Salton: | mythcontrols.h:91: warning: unused parameter ‘event’ |
| [04:25:13] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* |
| [04:25:15] | jams: | Salton- stop..use pastebin |
| [04:25:15] | Salton: | make[1]: *** [mythcontrols.o] Error 1 |
| [04:25:17] | Salton: | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/steve/mythtv-svn/mythplugins/mythcontrols/mythcontrols' |
| [04:25:19] | Salton: | make: *** [sub-mythcontrols] Error 2 |
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| [04:25:33] | Salton: | oops.. sorry |
| [04:25:46] | mzb_d800: | read the topic ;) |
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| [04:29:02] | Salton: | http://pastebin.com/d12b96546 |
| [04:33:10] | jams: | Salton- pastebin the contents of mythplugins/mythcontrols/mythcontrols/mythcontrols.pro |
| [04:34:01] | npurciful: | i have a question about the hdhomerun, if i wanted to hook it directly to my computer i would need a crossover cable right? |
| [04:34:10] | jams: | npurciful- yes |
| [04:34:34] | npurciful: | anything else? |
| [04:34:52] | jams: | a dhcp server running on your computer |
| [04:35:24] | Salton: | http://pastebin.com/d4d97f895 |
| [04:36:24] | jams: | try adding the line include ( ../../programs-libs.pro ) |
| [04:36:33] | jams: | to the .pro file |
| [04:38:21] | Gokee2_Laptop: | Well I found out my hard drive with the mythtv store was filled. I now fixed that now but it still does not work. What should I do to fix it? (and keep my recording? :) thanks |
| [04:39:37] | Gokee2_Laptop: | The mysql server was not filled though.... So why did mythtv go sour on me? |
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| [04:43:39] | Salton: | that did the trick :) |
| [04:44:04] | jams: | interesting |
| [04:44:27] | jams: | please keep track of any other plugins that happens with and let me know |
| [04:44:45] | Salton: | sure thing |
| [04:45:45] | npurciful: | jams: do have to have any special configuration for dhcp |
| [04:46:42] | Salton: | jams- thanks for the help. take care. |
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| [04:47:29] | jams: | npurciful- nothing special, a standard setup would work |
| [04:48:10] | jams: | normally you could use the dhcp server on your router, but since your doing a crossover cable then your computer needs to run the dhcp server. |
| [04:48:55] | npurciful: | okay, just askin thinkin about buying HDHR i have 1tuner pchdtv5500 but was think outside the box |
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| [04:51:11] | jams: | why do you want to connect via crossover? |
| [04:51:21] | kdub: | maybe he doesnt have a router |
| [04:51:28] | npurciful: | go have a router |
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| [04:51:35] | npurciful: | or switch |
| [04:52:05] | npurciful: | my internet is via usb though ATTWS |
| [04:52:11] | jams: | i see |
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| [04:52:46] | mchou: | wow, cool |
| [04:53:16] | mchou: | I figured out what I can use to get rid of my wall wart infestation |
| [04:53:36] | mchou: | repurposing is fun!! |
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| [05:17:08] | npurciful: | well i think i am going to order a hdhr, i was really thinking about what i doing when i bought the pchdtv5500 card, great card but i do what a dual tuner system and thinking about building a decicated backend |
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| [05:18:15] | npurciful: | anyone have a hdhomerun? what do you think about it? |
| [05:19:01] | kdub: | i dont have one, but it works fine, go ahead an buy it |
| [05:19:12] | mchou: | I agree w/ kdub |
| [05:19:26] | mchou: | much better than pchdtv |
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| [05:19:50] | mchou: | eventhough I have to say the plastic looks pretty cheap |
| [05:19:52] | mchou: | :) |
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| [05:20:40] | mchou: | HDHR could at least have used a more stylish design and better plastic |
| [05:22:23] | kdub: | nah |
| [05:22:25] | npurciful: | hehe, i was just think how weird that hump on it is, make it had to stack |
| [05:22:28] | kdub: | its not to be seen |
| [05:23:33] | npurciful: | will it stand verticle |
| [05:23:52] | kdub: | if you lean a book up against it it will |
| [05:24:01] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:24:27] | npurciful: | heh, kinda dumb question there |
| [05:24:30] | mchou: | friggin linksys routers are more stylish |
| [05:24:56] | mchou: | and they have mounting holes so you CAN stand them up |
| [05:25:31] | npurciful: | ohh, do you have to hookup both coax cables or does it have passover |
| [05:25:44] | mchou: | passover?? |
| [05:25:45] | npurciful: | or passthough |
| [05:25:55] | mchou: | wtf, is HDHR Jewish? |
| [05:27:15] | npurciful: | one coax will feed both inputs, haupage card with dual tuners did this |
| [05:27:52] | mchou: | that's cause of an internal splitter |
| [05:28:11] | mchou: | which is not necessarily desirable |
| [05:28:33] | npurciful: | ah i see |
| [05:28:45] | mchou: | especially if it's not amplified |
| [05:29:46] | mchou: | npurciful: just get one and report back |
| [05:29:56] | mchou: | I'm sure you'd be pleased |
| [05:30:02] | npurciful: | okay |
| [05:30:11] | npurciful: | thanks for the help |
| [05:31:27] | npurciful: | im sure i wont, am happy about the pchdtv5500 card i bought 1month ago and already replacing it |
| [05:31:51] | mchou: | huh?? |
| [05:32:03] | mchou: | you happy with pchdtv? |
| [05:32:29] | npurciful: | yeah, it is a good |
| [05:32:34] | npurciful: | ATSC tuner |
| [05:32:40] | mchou: | sigh |
| [05:32:57] | mchou: | why didnt you get HDHR in the first place? |
| [05:33:12] | npurciful: | because i wasnt think about the long run |
| [05:33:26] | mchou: | I mean pchdtv costs almost the same as 1 hdhr |
| [05:33:39] | npurciful: | yeah, i know, 40$ more |
| [05:33:59] | mchou: | pchdv quite frankly is a ripoff |
| [05:34:18] | npurciful: | price per tuner i would say yes |
| [05:35:44] | npurciful: | but when i bought it i wasnt think about that i did what 2 tuners and i also didnt know how good receiption was, i have a antenna |
| [05:36:22] | mchou: | yeah, but there were cheaper pci atsc cards that could have worked just as well as pchdtv |
| [05:36:40] | kdub: | pchdtv is completely pointless |
| [05:36:43] | npurciful: | anyway i am going to put my order in |
| [05:37:00] | mchou: | pchdtv is probably the most expensive atsc pci card around |
| [05:37:02] | npurciful: | i dont even use the analog can get it to work right |
| [05:37:51] | mchou: | npurciful: I say just return pchdtv |
| [05:38:07] | npurciful: | yeah |
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| [08:45:41] | CCFL_Man3: | i might need a 240cm c band dish instead of a 180cm dish |
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| [08:49:00] | MilhousePunkRock: | Good morning everyone! |
| [08:49:46] | MilhousePunkRock: | As the PVR functionality of my MythBox is overall satisfying by now, next step is to get rid of the stand-alone DVD player... |
| [08:50:18] | MilhousePunkRock: | Opinions please: Are there any DVD drive/burner manufacturers I should rather stay away from? |
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| [08:51:15] | tank-man: | almost all dvd burners/drives are like under $30 now |
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| [08:51:30] | tank-man: | and most are good enough |
| [08:51:58] | MilhousePunkRock: | Or other way around, that you would recommend? In my desktop machine, for example, I have a liteon burner (was the cheapest back then), which has severe problems with cdparanoia... |
| [08:52:41] | MilhousePunkRock: | tank-man: That's why I am going to get a burner although I will hardly ever write any disks, a pure reading drive is not much cheaper... |
| [08:53:41] | MilhousePunkRock: | tank-man: And if you say "most", do you know any that aren't? Ebay is full of LG drives for example... What about noise level, for instance? |
| [08:54:37] | tank-man: | if you are concerned about ripping dvds/cds, some googling might help but i've never had problems with pioneer |
| [08:54:52] | tank-man: | and they have tools to flash their drives in linux |
| [08:55:20] | MilhousePunkRock: | tank-man: Now that's a definite pro... |
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| [09:03:07] | [nrx]: | ello ello |
| [09:03:55] | [nrx]: | does mythtv have any webcam capabilities? |
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| [09:11:03] | tank-man: | i dont think so |
| [09:13:47] | DGnome: | mythphone can use v4l devices |
| [09:16:23] | [nrx]: | hm |
| [09:17:12] | otwin: | [nrx]: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythZoneMinder |
| [09:22:39] | [nrx]: | ah, ta |
| [09:22:47] | [nrx]: | that's almost what i'm after :) |
| [09:41:54] | piecesandbits: | Should I not use nuvexport from the Debian repositories? |
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| [09:52:25] | [nrx]: | my back/exit key keeps quitting mythtv instead of just stopping livetv and going back to the frontend menu |
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| [10:04:54] | Dagmar: | piecesandbits: No! It'll make your willy drop off! |
| [10:04:58] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [10:19:12] | piecesandbits: | heh |
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| [10:36:31] | darthanubis: | anyone here transcoding to divx with nuvexport and ffmpeg? |
| [10:37:08] | darthanubis: | the transcode works via just running nuvexport and choosing the divx route |
| [10:37:21] | darthanubis: | however, if I run it as one user job, it fails |
| [10:37:42] | darthanubis: | /usr/local/bin/nuvexport-dvd --nice 19 --input="%FILE%" |
| [10:37:49] | darthanubis: | sorry |
| [10:37:56] | darthanubis: | /usr/local/bin/nuvexport-divx --nice 19 --input="%FILE%" |
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| [10:53:21] | DustyBin: | this is the solution to beating low quality s-video |
| [10:53:24] | DustyBin: | http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/vga2scart/photos/hpim1190/view |
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| [11:40:23] | justinh: | so if the mythtv developers don't care a rat's ass about users, why make a branch for 0.21-fixes for packagers to start tracking? |
| [11:42:57] | DustyBin: | justinh: i got digital working on my sound card :D |
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| [11:43:08] | jblack: | Mythtv developers don't care about users? That's news to me. |
| [11:43:08] | justinh: | woo |
| [11:43:40] | jblack: | Someone should file a bug. Their "tough love" is completely borked. |
| [11:44:04] | justinh: | there's a dichotomy in there somewhere |
| [11:44:56] | jblack: | possibly more than one. |
| [11:45:14] | jblack: | That's ok. I'm an end user. I don't need to make sense. |
| [11:45:38] | justinh: | I doodle pictures. I can't possibly make sense |
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| [11:48:56] | DustyBin: | justinh: are you able to control the digital through mythtv or do you need to use your amp? |
| [11:49:00] | justinh: | bah I CBA to read all these commits |
| [11:49:02] | DustyBin: | volume |
| [11:49:08] | justinh: | delete delete delete |
| [11:49:22] | justinh: | it's digital. no you can't control it |
| [11:49:43] | DustyBin: | aye ok :D i wont bother wasting another few hours trying to control it then :D |
| [11:50:21] | justinh: | I think I might go MIA again soon. feeling overwhelmed |
| [11:51:38] | DustyBin: | bad things about my s-video =: noise in reds and oranges, lots of waves running through them, there is slight ghosting, notice quite a bit on peoples heads |
| [11:52:10] | DustyBin: | i didnt think s-video would produce the ghosting effect |
| [11:52:42] | justinh: | sounds like ground loops, bad cable or PSU noise |
| [11:52:49] | justinh: | or just a shite TV |
| [11:52:59] | DustyBin: | ^^ probably that |
| [11:53:17] | justinh: | a lot of tvs with svideo inputs just bodge it back to composite ya know |
| [11:54:03] | mzb_d800: | justinh: are you drinking warm ale again? ;) |
| [11:54:07] | DustyBin: | my manual says ive got 1x RGB scart so its time to create a suitable cable to work with my nvidia card |
| [11:54:28] | DustyBin: | and then blow up my computer and tv o_0 |
| [11:54:36] | justinh: | mzb_d800: no I'm just wondering why, if users aren't high on the list of priorities – why do that? ;) |
| [11:55:10] | mzb_d800: | do ... ah forget it .. I'll read back ;) |
| [11:55:23] | justinh: | as is so often alluded to when feature request tickets without patches are so readily dismissed, yada yada |
| [11:55:40] | justinh: | what's the _official_ line? ;) |
| [11:55:47] | justinh: | answer: there isn't one |
| [11:56:23] | mzb_d800: | s/warm beer/soap box/ ;)) |
| [11:56:36] | justinh: | about time there was one IMHO |
| [11:56:53] | justinh: | mission statement, stated direction for the project.. whatever |
| [11:57:33] | mzb_d800: | might be a good idea, and could possibly marry with the way many of the large projects are going |
| [11:57:56] | justinh: | I sense it'd be shot down in flames though |
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| [11:58:14] | mzb_d800: | eg. ubuntu, ....... (lots of steps down the ladder) ... handhelds.org |
| [11:58:15] | DustyBin: | i think s-video on most TVs is regarded as just a extra, the TV was probably not designed in mind that TV would be driven through it |
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| [11:58:30] | mzb_d800: | getting something drafted is the first step |
| [11:58:43] | mzb_d800: | getting shot down is the nature of the beast ;) |
| [11:58:43] | justinh: | DustyBin: it can take RGB input though |
| [11:58:50] | justinh: | mzb_d800: why even bother? |
| [11:59:17] | mzb_d800: | compliance and acceptability (with the policies of some distros) ... etc |
| [11:59:23] | DustyBin: | justinh: yep, thats what im going to make use of by digging out my soldering iron and visiting maplins for some bits o_0 |
| [12:00:04] | ** DustyBin imagines a dead 24" CRT + GFX card in the near future ** | |
| [12:00:12] | justinh: | mzb_d800: but they 'don't care' how many users there are... (etc). Or DO they? |
| [12:00:35] | mzb_d800: | combination of various, afaik |
| [12:01:26] | justinh: | yeah well. I've made my last commit for a long while. I'm sick to the back teeth of the whole thing. I've let it take over my fecking life |
| [12:01:43] | mzb_d800: | probably depends on the humour of the maintainer at the time ;) |
| [12:02:25] | mzb_d800: | justinh: take it easy(/er) then ;) ... start drinking cold(er) beer for a start ;) |
| [12:03:26] | rooaus: | justinh: Morning. About the branch, I don't understand why they are getting bent out of shape. If it is an issue don't update for a few weeks, I often fall a fair way behind HEAD. |
| [12:05:31] | DustyBin: | whats happening in the MCE / Apple TV world these days? |
| [12:05:43] | Dagmar: | MaCrObLoCkS! |
| [12:05:48] | justinh: | I suppose the stuff I want to get my teeth into, and the opportunity to do it came about at precisely the WRONG time :( |
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| [12:05:50] | DustyBin: | macro? |
| [12:06:11] | ** justinh makes a new announcement on his webshite ** | |
| [12:06:29] | ** DustyBin defaces justinh website with MCE advertisements ** | |
| [12:06:31] | Dagmar: | justinh: You need to try some of this --> http://www.farkitrol.com/ |
| [12:07:18] | DustyBin: | lol |
| [12:07:26] | justinh: | har har |
| [12:07:31] | Dagmar: | It's good stuff. |
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| [12:07:47] | Dagmar: | \...especially when taken with alcohol |
| [12:09:09] | rooaus: | justinh: Ah yeah, you could use Git to clone the svn repo. Would let you work on what you wanted to then after the dust settles on 0.21 commit back to svn trunk. |
| [12:09:35] | opentrinity: | hi http://pastebin.ca/907236 ------>i can't make mythtv |
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| [12:11:19] | DustyBin: | retro looks fine in widescreen mode |
| [12:14:12] | rooaus: | opentrinity: How recent is the checkout? "svnversion <top dir>" will tell you the revision. |
| [12:15:35] | opentrinity: | rooaus: revisione 16114. |
| [12:16:32] | Dagmar: | By the way, does anyone even have a theory as to why vsync murders the frontend when the preview window appears? |
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| [12:19:13] | opentrinity: | rooaus: right? |
| [12:22:32] | rooaus: | opentrinity: Sorry, had to make the bed :) |
| [12:23:21] | opentrinity: | :-) |
| [12:24:22] | rooaus: | opentrinity: I thought there were some issues when the multi channel audio ticket got committed (not sure if it is what you are seeing though) but that was fixed shortly after. Don't think it woudl affect you. |
| [12:25:55] | opentrinity: | rooaus: i have to update mythtv in my notebook to connect it to my master backend... |
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| [12:29:25] | rooaus: | opentrinity: Had a thought... did you just "svn up && make" from an old checkout? |
| [12:29:46] | nayfly: | hey... i've compiled and installed the drivers for my capture card on my 64 bit ubuntu distro, but when i try to scan for channels in mythtv-setup, i get the message that it failed to open the card |
| [12:30:06] | nayfly: | i'm not sure if this is a 64 bit problem, as i've been able to get this working on my other system, which is 32bit |
| [12:30:46] | rooaus: | nayfly: Permissions on the device? |
| [12:31:06] | nayfly: | it could be. how do i change permissions for the device? |
| [12:31:33] | nayfly: | /dev/cardname ? |
| [12:31:43] | rooaus: | opentrinity: You may need to do a distclean as multi threaded decode stuff got committed recently. |
| [12:33:07] | rooaus: | nayfly: May be as simple as making sure the mythtv user is in the video group. |
| [12:35:05] | nayfly: | well, i've tried running mythtv-setup as the superuser and got the same results... |
| [12:35:17] | nayfly: | would that circumvent the permissions issue? |
| [12:35:51] | rooaus: | nayfly: You would think so :) |
| [12:37:06] | nayfly: | heh. I'm not sure what it could be... also, the system i'm currently running is WAY faster than the old system, but the myth menus seem to run quite slow... like, if i press 'down' on the keyboard, it will take a second to move the menu focus to something else... |
| [12:37:18] | nayfly: | i'm not sure if that's related... |
| [12:37:55] | rooaus: | nayfly: Maybe you should try with tvtime or something else to make sure the card/drivers are working then myth. Might be easier to isolate the problem that way. |
| [12:39:14] | nayfly: | k i'll give it a try |
| [12:42:22] | rooaus: | nayfly: 'bout the slowness, if it is a new machine do you have opengl setup correctly? |
| [12:42:59] | nayfly: | tvtime is saying that i don't have YUY2 overlay support from my video card |
| [12:43:05] | nayfly: | perhaps this is the issue... |
| [12:43:31] | nayfly: | welll, i've installed the ATI 64 bit drivers and it went perfectly... no problems during install |
| [12:48:42] | rooaus: | hmmm, ATI... are you using the restricted driver? Could be where the problem lay. |
| [12:49:05] | nayfly: | i'm using the one from their website |
| [12:49:21] | nayfly: | i couldn't get the restricted driver that came with ubuntu to work |
| [12:52:17] | nayfly: | brb trying a driver reinstall ;-P |
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| [12:52:48] | mgi: | hey.. I have (what I consider) an odd problem |
| [12:53:06] | mgi: | I'm using protocol version 39 from trunk (not sure which revision number) |
| [12:53:27] | mgi: | ..and whenever the signal I get is "very white", I get a lot of jitter and artifacting |
| [12:53:47] | mgi: | has anyone heard of anything like this before? is it *really* my antenna? (it seems too consistent) |
| [12:54:50] | mgi: | revision 15764 by the way |
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| [12:56:21] | nayfly: | ok the mythtv slowness problem is fixed :) |
| [12:56:30] | nayfly: | however, still no luck with the capture card. |
| [12:56:45] | nayfly: | (thank you for your help with the ATI drivers) |
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| [13:03:14] | justinh: | they must be kidding if these 'playback profiles' are going into the release |
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| [13:04:01] | justinh: | this box used to be able to play dvb-t recordings just fine and now.. oops |
| [13:05:06] | justinh: | then again odd numbered mythtv releases have always been like this |
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| [13:08:09] | mgi: | other than bad signal, what would be another cause for artifacting? |
| [13:08:42] | justinh: | mpeg |
| [13:09:07] | mgi: | well the mpeg would have to have been corrupted, right |
| [13:09:19] | mgi: | I mean artifacting beyond normal mpeg |
| [13:09:36] | mgi: | maybe it's called something else, not artifacting |
| [13:09:42] | justinh: | generally uncorrectable errors caused by bad reception |
| [13:09:46] | mgi: | like, corrupt lines |
| [13:09:57] | mgi: | it seems to consistently happen when I get "bright" frames though.. which is weird |
| [13:09:57] | justinh: | interlacing artifacts? |
| [13:10:29] | mgi: | I'm not sure what an interlacing artifact would look like compared to bad signal corruption |
| [13:10:54] | justinh: | pictures tell a much better story than words |
| [13:11:13] | nayfly: | any ideas? |
| [13:11:42] | mgi: | well I'm watching live tv now, and every now and then I get a very white frame and it craps itself (sound cuts out, I get corrupt lines, etc) |
| [13:12:30] | justinh: | sounds like a not very well known about bug |
| [13:12:44] | justinh: | where the bitrate drops significantly, myth has problems with it |
| [13:13:01] | justinh: | very dark scenes exhibit the problem too |
| [13:13:13] | mgi: | don't have the problem with dark frames |
| [13:13:30] | justinh: | depends on the bitrate of the stream at those points |
| [13:13:47] | justinh: | most setups are using variable bitrates for broadcast |
| [13:13:47] | mgi: | so that's a likely culprit? |
| [13:13:56] | justinh: | pretty certain of it |
| [13:14:02] | mgi: | hmm.. and I'm assuming there's no easy way to fix it? |
| [13:14:06] | justinh: | yup |
| [13:14:18] | mgi: | super.. |
| [13:14:38] | justinh: | I dunno why myth has a need for variable bufferring at all, but it does all the same |
| [13:14:54] | rooaus: | nayfly: Are you loading the capture card modules correctly? Does tvtime work now? |
| [13:15:04] | mgi: | I didn't have any problems with 0.20 |
| [13:15:10] | justinh: | what happens is that the buffer amount is guessed, and changes constantly |
| [13:15:19] | mgi: | ah ok.. |
| [13:15:26] | justinh: | when the buffer runs out unexpectedly.. oof |
| [13:15:40] | justinh: | but again, why it even does that is something I have no idea about |
| [13:15:48] | nayfly: | rooaux: no, it still says the thing about overlay |
| [13:15:52] | mgi: | yeah.. maybe time to hack some code? :) |
| [13:16:06] | justinh: | mgi: the player code? good luck!!!!! |
| [13:16:13] | mgi: | haha |
| [13:17:07] | justinh: | everybody's too busy putting new features in to care much. it's not as if people don't know about the problems |
| [13:17:30] | mgi: | ah yes, feature creep |
| [13:17:36] | mgi: | it's more fun to add features than fix bugs :) |
| [13:17:52] | nayfly: | justinh: why not suggest it to the developers in #mythtv |
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| [13:19:09] | justinh: | mgi: if even affects systems with plenty of spare cpu, so it's not even as if you can help yourself with a faster processor |
| [13:19:29] | mgi: | I have less than 10% cpu utilisation, so I've already realised that |
| [13:20:44] | justinh: | I dunno why there's a need for the variable length bufferring anyway |
| [13:21:03] | mgi: | yeah, wouldn't you just keep it at the maximum rate you've previously seem? |
| [13:21:09] | mgi: | i.e. only grow it, don't shrink it? |
| [13:21:17] | mgi: | I wouldn't have thought memory would be a big issue.. |
| [13:21:25] | justinh: | nor me |
| [13:22:33] | mzb: | mgi: what fs are you using? |
| [13:22:38] | mgi: | ext3 |
| [13:22:40] | justinh: | certainly not in terms of 10MB or whatever you'd need for a more than comfortable buffer |
| [13:22:50] | mzb: | that wouldn't help |
| [13:22:53] | mgi: | using storage over multiple physical disks |
| [13:23:02] | justinh: | mzb: desn't matter |
| [13:23:09] | mgi: | that's what I would've thought justinh re: buffering |
| [13:23:17] | justinh: | the problem is the sliding bufferring |
| [13:23:20] | mzb: | ext* is still not designed for media streams |
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| [13:23:26] | justinh: | nor if xfs |
| [13:23:29] | justinh: | *is |
| [13:23:36] | mzb: | I beg to differ |
| [13:23:40] | nayfly: | brb again. |
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| [13:23:49] | Dagmar: | extents-a-go-go |
| [13:23:52] | justinh: | anyway the bottom line is, myth has this sliding buffer doddaa |
| [13:24:12] | mgi: | it may not be "designed" for media streams, but they can still be implemented on top of the fs |
| [13:24:13] | justinh: | and it's sometimes overcome with massive bitrate changes |
| [13:24:21] | mzb: | I had a very interesting talk with the maintainer of XFS at SGI while at linux.conf.au |
| [13:24:57] | mzb: | but you've already come to your conclusions, so I'll leave it there |
| [13:25:44] | justinh: | mzb: I see the issue on my xfs recordings partition too |
| [13:25:47] | mgi: | it seriously is just bright frames which cause the playback to stutter |
| [13:26:02] | mzb: | fair enough |
| [13:26:04] | mgi: | and my friend (who is using a very near revision) doesn't have the problems |
| [13:26:18] | mgi: | so I guess that suggests signal quality.. |
| [13:26:21] | justinh: | mgi: in the frontend output you get 'NVP: prebufferring pause'... a lot I bet |
| [13:26:22] | mzb: | btw: "downsizing" is in the pipeline ;) |
| [13:26:31] | mgi: | I'll check |
| [13:26:47] | mgi: | ha, yeah I just saw that |
| [13:27:02] | DustyBin: | the easiest way for me to make a VGA >> SCART cable would be by using a ATI based GFX card, are there any disadvantages of using a ATI GFX card for HTPC in linux? |
| [13:27:06] | justinh: | mzb: I'm thinking about using something else. I don't like the way the project is headed |
| [13:27:08] | mgi: | I'm tail -f 'ing now so I'll keep an eye on it |
| [13:27:19] | mzb: | mgi: dvb(-t)? try monitoring with femon |
| [13:27:26] | rooaus: | mgi: LiveTV or recorded? |
| [13:27:35] | mgi: | livetv |
| [13:27:37] | justinh: | DustyBin: other than the crappy drivers you mean? |
| [13:27:41] | mgi: | dvb-t |
| [13:27:51] | Dagmar: | DustyBin: No more than the usual pain and suffering that is "ATI in Linux" |
| [13:28:09] | mgi: | ha.. I took back my ati card to the shop :) |
| [13:28:13] | mgi: | and swapped for a gf |
| [13:28:20] | DustyBin: | justinh: all i would need to do is get my ATI card to output a 720x576 resolution through the VGA port |
| [13:28:38] | justinh: | DustyBin: so Xv doesn't matter to you then? it'll be nasty without it |
| [13:28:45] | DustyBin: | eeeek |
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| [13:30:05] | rooaus: | mgi: try watching as a recording and see if you have the same prob. The adaptive buffering may behave differently in recordings. |
| [13:30:11] | justinh: | gonna try turning my frontend into a HTPC next week. go without diskless, linux etc & see what happens. I might like it after all |
| [13:30:18] | mgi: | sure thing |
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| [13:30:26] | Dibblah: | mgi: You swapped a video card for a girlfriend? What kind of shop is that? |
| [13:30:55] | justinh: | rooaus: thing is, WHY is there adaptive bufferring at all? |
| [13:31:02] | mgi: | haha Dibblah .. good one :) |
| [13:31:10] | justinh: | just chuck ram at it & be done with it |
| [13:31:20] | rooaus: | justinh: Channels change response time maybe? |
| [13:31:23] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: one with very undedicated employees if they have time for a girlfriend |
| [13:31:29] | mgi: | nope, same problem in recorded data |
| [13:31:47] | justinh: | rooaus: fuck that |
| [13:31:52] | rooaus: | lol |
| [13:32:02] | mgi: | which I guess suggests signal.. |
| [13:32:25] | justinh: | mgi: your friend on the other side of town or whatever – he also using mythtv? |
| [13:32:35] | justinh: | or er.. something else? |
| [13:32:51] | mzb: | mgi: femon (although you can't necessarily trust the numbers, you will at least be able to check for fluctuation) |
| [13:32:54] | mgi: | yeah, he gets his signal from a different tower |
| [13:32:58] | Dagmar: | moarcat sez you need moar rams! http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/6/68/MoarCAT.jpg |
| [13:33:01] | mgi: | I've got femon running now |
| [13:33:09] | mzb: | ok |
| [13:33:16] | rooaus: | mgi: I don't know if the buffering behaviour is different for recordings, just thought it could be. I haven't looked at the implementation though. |
| [13:33:24] | justinh: | rooaus: anyway on all my boxes channel change time is still slow as hell no matter what. 100ms isn't gonna make much difference |
| [13:33:35] | DustyBin: | justinh: does your intel have Xv ? |
| [13:33:40] | justinh: | DustyBin: yeah |
| [13:33:42] | mgi: | yeah.. I would be interested to look at where it's coded but I'm assuming it's not just in one place |
| [13:33:56] | DustyBin: | justinh: ive never heard of linux intel gfx drivers |
| [13:34:14] | mzb: | rooaus: it's only mpeg2, right? So mgi could always play the recording with something other than mythtv to check that theory. |
| [13:34:28] | mgi: | good point |
| [13:34:29] | mzb: | (even if sound was out of sync;) |
| [13:34:36] | justinh: | mzb: it'll be just fine with another player. I can virtually guarantee that |
| [13:34:42] | mgi: | I'll give that a shot |
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| [13:34:45] | mgi: | ah what if it's not? :) |
| [13:34:59] | rooaus: | justinh: We watch livetv every night, it hasn't ever bothered me. Just use the browse or program guide instead of surfing channels. |
| [13:35:04] | justinh: | mgi: I'll bet my domain on it |
| [13:35:24] | mgi: | maybe you should know first about the 4-way coax splitter I'm using.. |
| [13:35:39] | mzb: | gf uses livetv occasionally (until I catch her;) |
| [13:35:56] | justinh: | rooaus: my point is, it's damn slow anyway. an extra tenth/fifth of a sec won't make much difference but will make a world of difference in terms of the amount the adaptive buffer is caught out |
| [13:36:15] | rooaus: | mgi: Ah, I have an 8 way splitter in my feed in. |
| [13:36:26] | mgi: | hmm.. ok |
| [13:36:33] | mgi: | but if my signal's crap to begin with, that won't help |
| [13:36:41] | mzb: | mgi: build a real aerial: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=79 |
| [13:36:48] | mzb: | (and get RG6 minimum;) |
| [13:37:05] | justinh: | mzb: I hope it's an amplified splitter |
| [13:37:10] | rooaus: | justinh: Oh yeah, I forgot to say 100ms isn't going to matter at all practically. |
| [13:37:21] | mgi: | I tried using an amplified splitter but it was worse |
| [13:37:27] | mgi: | obviously amplifying the noise.. |
| [13:37:40] | justinh: | and besides, if it was _signal_ related it wouldn't just show itself on certain elements |
| [13:37:44] | mzb: | justinh: not mine (although I wish Jaycar still sold inductive splitters;) |
| [13:37:54] | mgi: | true |
| [13:37:57] | mgi: | ha, I love jaycar |
| [13:38:16] | mzb: | hmmm ... I don't (any more) ... used to work for them ;) |
| [13:38:20] | Dibblah: | Not another .au insomniac... |
| [13:38:25] | mgi: | :) |
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| [13:38:26] | mzb: | :) |
| [13:38:40] | rooaus: | Dibblah: was just thinking the same thing :) |
| [13:38:49] | justinh: | anyway my love affair is coming to an end. gonna have a go with some other pvrs & see what happens |
| [13:38:55] | mzb: | yeah, but I reckon mgi would be from the "north island" ;) |
| [13:39:41] | mgi: | you're from tassie? |
| [13:39:44] | rooaus: | mzb: Statistically, that is probable :) |
| [13:39:50] | Dagmar: | justinh: Don't forget to tell them your "safe word" |
| [13:40:04] | rooaus: | rofl |
| [13:40:10] | mzb: | yep, .tas.au |
| [13:40:28] | mgi: | mel here |
| [13:40:36] | justinh: | Dagmar: you mean users of other software PVRs are even more masochistic? ffs |
| [13:40:49] | Dagmar: | justinh: When it comes to what you can do with the recorded programs, oh yes. |
| [13:40:59] | Dagmar: | "All your recordings are belong to us" comes to mind. |
| [13:40:59] | justinh: | I _watch_ recorded programs |
| [13:41:07] | mzb: | just come back from Melbourne for the linux.conf ... great weather for a week ;) |
| [13:41:07] | justinh: | I delete recorded programs |
| [13:41:18] | mgi: | well we *are* in a drought |
| [13:41:21] | rooaus: | night all |
| [13:41:24] | mzb: | *came |
| [13:41:27] | mzb: | gnite |
| [13:41:35] | directhex: | justinh, you were more right than you think |
| [13:41:37] | Dagmar: | Yer just one legal tiff away from having 30-second skip, or anything remotely resembling it, taken away. |
| [13:41:58] | justinh: | directhex: if other apps are worse, I really do despair |
| [13:42:03] | directhex: | justinh, imagine seeing the following in Xorg.0.log on a 1ghz epia: |
| [13:42:04] | directhex: | (WW) CHROME(0): [XvMC] Not supported on this chipset. |
| [13:42:22] | justinh: | directhex: and be surprised? never |
| [13:42:47] | justinh: | you're in a very exclusive club now directhex. not a very large one at that |
| [13:42:54] | directhex: | justinh, which club is that? |
| [13:43:03] | justinh: | the epia owners club :) |
| [13:43:33] | Dagmar: | i.e., "Foul Mouthed Users of the Northern Hemisphere" |
| [13:43:41] | directhex: | justinh, owners? i get to send it back, and write a scathing review advising people not to part with their money |
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| [13:44:14] | justinh: | oh yeah it was a review machine. I forgot that & was thinking you'd actually taken leave of your senses yesterday. |
| [13:44:21] | justinh: | (sorry) |
| [13:45:07] | directhex: | justinh, you'll like this. i ran a LAME encode on a big ol' WAV file on the epia... then clocked this athlon64 down to 1ghz and ran it |
| [13:45:25] | directhex: | to help illustrate the "mhz myth" |
| [13:45:30] | Dagmar: | LAME has a lot of optimizations that take advantage of instructions the VIA don't have |
| [13:45:54] | DustyBin: | athlon64 CPU contains multimedia extensions? |
| [13:45:58] | directhex: | Dagmar, i know. does that mean it's unfair to compare it? it's 2008! |
| [13:46:06] | justinh: | rofl |
| [13:46:32] | Dagmar: | I've /been/ saying that buying VIA is like buying a jigsaw puzzle at the store, just to get it home and find out all the pieces are slow. |
| [13:46:45] | sid3windr: | lol |
| [13:46:56] | justinh: | directhex: you could quote that in the review ;) |
| [13:47:01] | Dagmar: | Perhaps a wattage/work ratio comparison would show them in a better light. |
| [13:47:18] | justinh: | Dagmar: wattage = work done per second :P |
| [13:47:34] | Dagmar: | How much have you been drinking this morning? |
| [13:47:51] | Dagmar: | I have a K6–2 450 here that should be on par with a bloody supercomputer by that measure. |
| [13:47:55] | sid3windr: | wattage is an important question |
| [13:47:56] | directhex: | Dagmar, i note via compare their power/work ratio against pentium-m, and only come out ~15% better |
| [13:48:00] | justinh: | ooo yeah – hey everybody – low power means LOW POWER. I.e. not enough POWER to do anything constructive with |
| [13:48:02] | sid3windr: | you know |
| [13:48:07] | sid3windr: | "wattage are you?" "17" "oh shit" |
| [13:48:14] | Dagmar: | hah! |
| [13:48:25] | mgi: | hey, 17 is legal here |
| [13:48:29] | directhex: | 16! |
| [13:48:30] | Dagmar: | It's not here. |
| [13:48:36] | directhex: | anyway, for that ickle comparison |
| [13:48:37] | mgi: | 16 is the minimum age here for consent |
| [13:48:45] | directhex: | 808.67user 4.09system 13:32.93elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k |
| [13:48:46] | directhex: | 2048.56user 4.61system 34:13.09elapsed 100%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k |
| [13:48:51] | directhex: | guess which is which |
| [13:48:58] | Dagmar: | I just had a girl get back in touch with me over LiveJournal who I'm waiting for to ask why we stopped seeing each other. |
| [13:49:16] | Dagmar: | This was well over ten years ago, but the show-stopper for me was finding out she was 17. |
| [13:49:17] | jblack: | Where I live, girls can get married off at age 16 |
| [13:49:28] | Dagmar: | Like "whoo! dodged a bullet there" |
| [13:49:58] | nayfly: | in mythtv-setup, it can clearly probe the card information... i get the card details, model etc. however, when i go to scan for channels in the 'input connections' menu, it fails to open the card... |
| [13:50:21] | jblack: | Younger, with special circumstances. |
| [13:51:00] | ** justinh wonders if there's a way to hack that nasty variable buffer out of the equation ** | |
| [13:51:05] | justinh: | an *easy* way |
| [13:51:17] | mzb: | mgi: that depends on the difference between ages (below 18) |
| [13:51:18] | Dagmar: | These people are, presumably aware that girls should be considered clinically insane until they're about 23, right? |
| [13:51:24] | mgi: | mzb not in VIC |
| [13:51:30] | mgi: | VIC 16 is legal, anything under is within 2 years |
| [13:51:45] | Dagmar: | Like, to the degree that I feel bad for teenage boys who have to date teenage girls. |
| [13:51:59] | mzb: | sure you don't mean 18 is legal, down to 16 is 2 years? |
| [13:52:07] | mgi: | nup, I looked up the law |
| [13:52:16] | mgi: | and I have a few lawyer friends ;) |
| [13:52:21] | mgi: | not for any reason in particular.. |
| [13:52:29] | Dagmar: | He's in one of the more rural southern US states. heh |
| [13:52:37] | mzb: | ah well, I'm safe anyway ;) |
| [13:52:38] | mgi: | by the way, I played the mpeg in mplayer and I still get the artifacts.. still only on bright frames |
| [13:52:47] | mgi: | but they're there nonetheless |
| [13:53:10] | mgi: | I got "CRC check failed" and "error at resampling" |
| [13:53:24] | mzb: | does playing a "perfect" video work? |
| [13:53:54] | mgi: | in mplayer? I'll try, but I'm assuming yes |
| [13:54:00] | mzb: | you might be able to do a loss-less transcode to fix that |
| [13:54:31] | nayfly: | any ideas about my problem? |
| [13:54:35] | mgi: | when it fucks up, femon reports "ber" and "unc" number that aren't 000000 |
| [13:54:37] | mzb: | I've changed my high-quality profile to lossless so I can do cuts without transcode |
| [13:54:59] | mgi: | where do you set that up? |
| [13:55:07] | mzb: | mgi: seen my aerial then? :)) (cost $2 for a can of "magic" spray paint;) |
| [13:55:11] | justinh: | nice when lossles works |
| [13:55:28] | mzb: | justinh: never have a problem with lossless |
| [13:55:30] | mgi: | magic spray paint? |
| [13:55:35] | mzb: | use it constantly |
| [13:55:47] | mzb: | magic spray paint = black enamel ;) |
| [13:55:53] | mgi: | right.. :) |
| [13:56:19] | justinh: | mzb: you obviously don't live in a place where the # of streams in recordings change, aspects change, resolutions change.. |
| [13:56:20] | mzb: | :)) ... beast of a thing ... works well |
| [13:56:21] | mgi: | so what significance do these femon numbers have? |
| [13:57:02] | mzb: | hex ... try echo $[0xNNNN / 0xFFFF] |
| [13:57:19] | mzb: | where NNNN is the number you see ... might make more sense |
| [13:57:27] | mgi: | yes, but what do I do now that I have the numbers |
| [13:57:47] | mgi: | as far as I can tell, when they're non-zero I'm getting stutters |
| [13:57:51] | mzb: | watch for "significant" variation |
| [13:58:20] | mzb: | you can't really trust the numbers (with most drivers ... so it depends on the card) |
| [13:58:28] | mgi: | signal goes non-zero too |
| [13:59:05] | mgi: | so from all this does it basically mean my signal isn't fantastic? |
| [13:59:14] | mzb: | probably |
| [13:59:19] | mzb: | got an STB? |
| [13:59:24] | mgi: | weird that it only comes up with bright frames |
| [13:59:25] | mgi: | nope |
| [13:59:48] | mzb: | got more than 1 tuner card? |
| [13:59:57] | mgi: | yep |
| [14:00:08] | mzb: | all the same type? |
| [14:00:15] | mgi: | nah.. one has two tuners in it |
| [14:00:28] | mzb: | DViCO? |
| [14:00:34] | mgi: | yeah that one :) |
| [14:00:37] | mzb: | ok |
| [14:00:47] | mzb: | haven't tried one of those (yet) |
| [14:01:04] | mzb: | try a different aerial |
| [14:01:07] | mzb: | *anything* |
| [14:01:08] | mgi: | seems to work fine.. well apart from the problems I'm having :) |
| [14:01:13] | mzb: | (piece of wet string) |
| [14:01:23] | mgi: | well I need something that gets a signal! |
| [14:01:24] | nayfly: | are you running a dvico on an amd64 box? |
| [14:01:25] | mzb: | and compare the signal strength + video quality |
| [14:01:33] | mgi: | nah, intel core2 duo |
| [14:01:49] | mgi: | actually I'll get rid of the splitter and try it direct |
| [14:01:51] | mzb: | problem with DViCO on amd64? |
| [14:02:23] | mzb: | nayfly: ^^ |
| [14:02:41] | nayfly: | yeh man |
| [14:03:18] | nayfly: | ubuntu can probe the card and get it's information etc, but can't open the card to be used in mythtv |
| [14:03:26] | nayfly: | i can't scan for channels... |
| [14:03:38] | mzb: | so how is that an amd64 bug? |
| [14:03:48] | mzb: | sounds like an ubuntu bug ;)) |
| [14:04:36] | mgi: | argh.. I can't test without the splitter because the cable I need is in the bedroom and my gf is sleeping |
| [14:04:41] | nayfly: | i don't know what kind of bug it is, only that it's bugging the hell out of me. The funny thing is, I could get it working on my old x86 setup |
| [14:05:19] | mzb: | nayfly: what kernel rev? |
| [14:05:43] | mgi: | have you tried using the x86 kernel? |
| [14:06:10] | mzb: | mgi: try one of those silly little mag-based things (or a coat-hanger, piece of wet string, ... etc) |
| [14:06:12] | nayfly: | maybe i'm doing something wrong, but the live CD would not even boot on the AMD64 |
| [14:06:15] | nayfly: | kernel panic. |
| [14:06:39] | mzb: | hmm ... ok, so nothing to do with amd64 + dvico then |
| [14:06:44] | mgi: | silly question – do you have a usb keyboard, and is it disabled in the bios? |
| [14:06:48] | mgi: | I had weird problems with that |
| [14:06:57] | mzb: | child issue |
| [14:06:59] | mgi: | x86_64 though |
| [14:07:35] | nayfly: | yes it's a usb keyboard and mouse going through the same wireless receiver |
| [14:07:46] | nayfly: | i'm pretty sure usb keyboard is disabled in bios |
| [14:07:50] | mgi: | ok |
| [14:08:23] | nayfly: | should the amd be able to run x86? |
| [14:08:34] | mgi: | I believe so |
| [14:09:17] | mzb: | yes |
| [14:09:26] | nayfly: | interesting... |
| [14:09:32] | nayfly: | i wonder why it hates me. |
| [14:09:57] | mzb: | but depending on what you're doing it might be ~20% slower |
| [14:10:16] | mzb: | (results vary;) |
| [14:10:37] | nayfly: | that doesn't bother me really, as long as it can run mythtv with high def tv etc. okay |
| [14:10:53] | mgi: | try the x86 image |
| [14:11:03] | directhex: | x86 and amd64 should run at approximately the same speed. x86 involves shorter chunks of memory moving about, which is faster. amd64 has more general-purpose registers, which is faster. performance is usually equal, sans optimization |
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| [14:13:30] | mzb: | totally depends what you're doing with it |
| [14:13:57] | mzb: | moving more data at the same speed (Hz) ends up being faster in *most* cases |
| [14:14:00] | nayfly: | yep |
| [14:14:01] | mzb: | wench:~# uname -r |
| [14:14:01] | mzb: | 2.6.18-4-xen-686 |
| [14:14:14] | mzb: | wench:~# egrep Processor /proc/cpuinfo |
| [14:14:15] | mzb: | model name : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3400+ |
| [14:14:20] | nayfly: | i guess i just can't get the livecd to boot |
| [14:14:26] | nayfly: | for some unknown reason |
| [14:14:40] | nayfly: | should i enable usb keyboard? |
| [14:14:57] | mzb: | it might be a sempron, but it's 64bit running 32bit (problems with certain vm's when I built the machine) |
| [14:14:59] | mgi: | it can't hurt |
| [14:15:16] | zkx: | i wonder if i should try the amd64 stuff out someday, after all, i do have a amd64 :p |
| [14:15:25] | nayfly: | hehe |
| [14:15:35] | mgi: | heh... I had no problem with the core2 duo and x86_64 |
| [14:15:37] | nayfly: | you feel like it's untapped potential eh |
| [14:16:10] | mzb: | I have used amd64 on machine above ... booting alone is noticably faster (to the point where you notice more noise from the drives;) |
| [14:16:43] | nayfly: | hmm i'll try some stuff. I'll log back into here on my macbook and will probably be asking for advice, if that's cool |
| [14:16:46] | mzb: | and this machine has been running amd64 since ... since before amd64 was mainline (iirc) |
| [14:18:17] | mzb: | (keep in mind that the Sempron 3400+ and the Athlon64 3200+ (Venice) are both 2000MHz processors ... so I've done quite a bit of comparison) |
| [14:18:20] | zkx: | well i've always just installed regular 32bit for the 32bit codec dll compatibility.... tho i don't think that even matters for the stuff i do with the mythtv box |
| [14:18:42] | zkx: | i have a Athlon64 3000+ (Wincherster i think) |
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| [14:19:27] | mzb: | anyway, that's enough bits (and pieces) for the day ... way past pumpkin hour, time to crash |
| [14:19:51] | mzb: | gnite all |
| [14:20:41] | mgi: | night mzb, thanks for the help |
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| [14:27:24] | nayfly: | okay i'm back... |
| [14:28:05] | nayfly: | hello? |
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| [14:29:05] | mgi: | hmm okay it's late.. time for bed for me too |
| [14:29:07] | mgi: | see ya everyone |
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| [14:31:26] | nayfly: | okie dokie... i'm back |
| [14:32:30] | levander: | I'm ripping my first DVD. Is it normal for this process to take half an hour? |
| [14:33:02] | doobeh: | levander: yup, easily |
| [14:33:31] | levander: | It's only like 2GB of data, right? Why does it take half an hour? |
| [14:34:23] | doobeh: | are you converting it, or just copying it? |
| [14:34:27] | nayfly: | i got the ubuntu 32bit to boot on my AMD64 :)... |
| [14:34:48] | levander: | nayfly: That's supposed to be the usual case. |
| [14:35:09] | levander: | nayfly: 64 bit AMD CPU's (and Intel) support 32-bit also. |
| [14:35:26] | nayfly: | i know, but i was telling the guys in here before that it would cause a kernel panic when i tried |
| [14:35:41] | levander: | doobeh: I think I'm just copying it because I chose the quality to be ISO. |
| [14:35:47] | Dagmar: | Consumer 64-bit CPUs definitely run 32-bit code or they'd never have survived the market transition |
| [14:36:16] | levander: | The wiki says the copy will take half an hour, so I guess that is usual. |
| [14:36:17] | nayfly: | yeh, but my 64bit system seems to be causing trouble with my capture card in myth |
| [14:36:56] | levander: | Dagmar: The market transition is still going on. I haven't upgraded because of problems with Flash, Java, and I think virtualbox (not sure) has a few issues too. |
| [14:37:12] | Dagmar: | levander: These problems only exist with wholly 64-bit operating systems. |
| [14:37:38] | Dagmar: | You can install XP Home edition on an Athlon 64 and never have a single problem (relating to it being a 64-bit CPU that is. It's still XP.) |
| [14:38:17] | justinh: | time to halt the emails I think. not interested anymore |
| [14:38:48] | levander: | You're going off the mythtv-users email list? |
| [14:39:00] | justinh: | all of them |
| [14:39:21] | levander: | Are you stopping developing or are you just stopping reading the email lists? |
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| [14:39:26] | Tr1p: | HI . im a mythbuntu user but im adding IMDB to my movies , doe i always have to do it manual with "Find IMDB" or is there a option FIND ALL IMDB OF MY MOVIES ? |
| [14:39:53] | Dagmar: | Trip: You don't see an option for doing them all at once in there do you? |
| [14:39:55] | justinh: | Tr1p: without using an external script, always manually one by one |
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| [14:40:03] | justinh: | levander: both |
| [14:40:16] | levander: | justinh: What prompted this? |
| [14:40:28] | levander: | Somebody's got to do all that free work. |
| [14:40:34] | Tr1p: | justinh: u have an external script ? |
| [14:40:59] | justinh: | did I say "without using my external script" ? |
| [14:41:19] | Tr1p: | so it cant be done in one time |
| [14:41:37] | justinh: | now hey I didn't say such a script didn't exist! |
| [14:41:54] | justinh: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7077 |
| [14:42:09] | justinh: | levander: yeah somebody _else_ |
| [14:42:09] | doobeh: | Tr1p: http://www.thepisanis.com/node/11 |
| [14:42:13] | levander: | justinh: Why you stopping developing? |
| [14:44:02] | mkrufky: | levander: open source devel can get to you sometimes, it's always good to take a break and come back again with renewed interest |
| [14:44:48] | levander: | mythtvtalk isn't an archive of mailing lists? it's its own message board? |
| [14:45:05] | justinh: | mythtvtalk is nothing to do with the mythtv project |
| [14:45:22] | justinh: | well, I mean not directly to do with it |
| [14:45:39] | justinh: | not sanctioned or supported. it's totally independant |
| [14:45:46] | justinh: | independent, even |
| [14:46:25] | levander: | If there's artifacts coming in on an analog cable signal, is it normal for mythtv to make the artifacts look worse? |
| [14:46:45] | justinh: | noise doesn't encode well |
| [14:46:47] | levander: | I've got a PVR 500 and doing hardware mpeg-2 encoding. |
| [14:47:08] | levander: | justinh: I figured. The Comcast guy is supposed to be here between 11 and 2 to check the lines. |
| [14:47:18] | justinh: | and myth doesn't/can't do any deblocking to help alleviate them either |
| [14:48:33] | DustyBin: | i just ordered a PCB circuit board, resistors, and a transistor |
| [14:48:51] | justinh: | anyway I'll sit on the patches I've got working til after the release. when more of mythui porting is done I'll possibly get on theming again. til then, it's holiday! |
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| [14:52:53] | levander: | Why do people prefer mailing lists to message boards? Fooling with mailing lists requires so many more steps than fooling with a message board. And, the search features of mailing list archives are rarely as good as those on a message board. |
| [14:53:27] | justinh: | outright hatred? |
| [14:53:40] | levander: | More like annoyed. |
| [14:53:42] | mkrufky: | "fooling with mailing lists" is so many LESS steps for those that can answer any questions you may be asking |
| [14:53:46] | doobeh: | tradition mostly |
| [14:54:26] | levander: | mkrufky: Checking your email is that much easier for some people than checking a message board? |
| [14:54:31] | justinh: | on mythtvtalk.com the majority of questions are just dumb. I mean like RTFM stuff. that in itself speaks volumes I think |
| [14:54:56] | levander: | Yeah, I've heard that before. Adding a level of difficulty filters out the noobs. |
| [14:54:59] | mkrufky: | levander: for developers that are MAINLY working on code, they just check their own email and notice that the mailing list has a question they know the answer to |
| [14:55:21] | justinh: | and as for the -dev mailing list – I wish it was only people who are developing would post there |
| [14:55:30] | mkrufky: | levander: that is way more likely to happen, than for me to stop what im doing and open a website forum, only so that somebody can find new ways to spend my time |
| [14:55:43] | justinh: | ask for an opinion & zillions of people come out of the woodwork |
| [14:56:03] | directhex: | edit the ML so only people with commmit access can reply! |
| [14:56:17] | justinh: | directhex: there's already a secret ML for them |
| [14:56:18] | levander: | mkrufky: It's cool if that's what you're used to and like. But, I don't see how checking your email is any less of your time than checking a web site (well, except for the noobs). |
| [14:56:28] | justinh: | except not everybody with commit access ^^^ |
| [14:57:00] | mkrufky: | levander: the point that i am making, is that people that HAVE the answers dont usually seek out people with questions |
| [14:57:19] | mkrufky: | levander: opening a www forum is an activity, but opening a mailer is passive |
| [14:57:45] | mkrufky: | im making a generalization — i do not speak for everyone |
| [14:58:10] | justinh: | mkrufky: when mythtvtalk.com was first launched Ludovic sought the approval of the community & didn't get it |
| [14:58:30] | justinh: | the fact it's still going implies it's needed regardless |
| [14:58:41] | zabadapp: | anyone know why the osd font gets weird (overlapping letters and cropped) when watching anamorphic tv? |
| [14:59:00] | justinh: | zabadapp: because freemono sucks as the default font? |
| [14:59:22] | justinh: | there's a font scaling bug which is yet to be fixed |
| [15:01:01] | justinh: | you can work around it though. look on the mailing list archives |
| [15:01:16] | zabadapp: | i'm using retros osd and it uses some sans font that looks great on 4:3 anyway ... ok, thanks for the info — i'll look |
| [15:03:15] | justinh: | levander: anyway, I have my reasons & don't want to discuss them here or anywhere else |
| [15:04:29] | Dibblah: | justinh: You don't need to. |
| [15:04:35] | Dibblah: | Just enjoy your break :) |
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| [15:05:42] | justinh: | I'll try to enjoy it. might not even be very long. one thing's for sure. I'll be thinking very carefully before upgrading to 0.21 |
| [15:06:27] | levander: | Okay, I just ripped a DVD. I tried "Watch Recordings" and "Watch Videos". There's nothing there. |
| [15:06:58] | justinh: | why would it be in among your recordings? |
| [15:06:59] | Dagmar: | You nasty pirate, you |
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| [15:07:25] | justinh: | levander: check where you configured mythdvd to store rips |
| [15:07:42] | justinh: | oops I forgot it'll put them in your myhtvideo area |
| [15:07:46] | justinh: | you've just not rescanned |
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| [15:08:31] | levander: | What is rescanning? |
| [15:08:38] | levander: | Oh, think I get it. |
| [15:08:39] | justinh: | video manager |
| [15:08:50] | levander: | I'll look for rescanning video files in setup. |
| [15:08:53] | zabadapp: | levander: and remember that mythvideo can show files in the filesystem directly without the need to rescan |
| [15:09:04] | zabadapp: | if configured like that |
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| [15:09:21] | levander: | DVD's get ripped to /var/lib/mythtv/temp – if I'm looking at the right thing. |
| [15:10:04] | levander: | It looks like there's one unnamed DVD in Video Manager. |
| [15:12:16] | justinh: | just trying a dvd I already have ripped (from windows). mythdvd doesn't like it one bit |
| [15:12:38] | justinh: | invalid main menu. ah well. that's another thing it can't do |
| [15:12:50] | levander: | I give up. I have to get ready for the Comcast guy. Then get back to it. |
| [15:13:23] | Dibblah: | justinh: Depends how it's ripped. |
| [15:13:32] | Dibblah: | isos should be fine. |
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| [15:21:13] | justinh: | Dibblah: won't even read it. wonder if css effort is installified |
| [15:21:43] | Tr1p: | steven@MediaCenter:~/imdbupdater$ ./imdb-bulk-update.pl -N -Fileup -Exclude ============================================================================= |
| [15:21:46] | Tr1p: | Retrieving Video Path for this MediaCenter from mythconverg.settings |
| [15:21:49] | Tr1p: | DBI connect('mythconverg:127.0.0.1','mythtv',...) failed: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at ./imdb-bulk-update.pl line 566 |
| [15:21:52] | Tr1p: | Can't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at ./imdb-bulk-update.pl line 568. |
| [15:21:55] | Tr1p: | steven@MediaCenter:~/imdbupdater$ |
| [15:22:02] | justinh: | Tr1p: pastebin! |
| [15:22:15] | Tr1p: | sorry ! i know |
| [15:22:37] | justinh: | you've not got the mysql perl libs installed |
| [15:23:49] | Tr1p: | isent there an easyer way |
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| [15:25:56] | justinh: | just install them & it'll work |
| [15:26:10] | justinh: | assuming you don't have any other perl libs missing |
| [15:28:12] | Tr1p: | apt-get install perl libs then |
| [15:28:20] | justinh: | wth? how is this rip thing meant to be usable? |
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| [15:30:29] | justinh: | even the wiki doesn't say much about it |
| [15:30:44] | justinh: | can't select the button at the bottom of the screen |
| [15:31:06] | justinh: | ticked 'select' in the titles I want. no dice |
| [15:32:25] | justinh: | ahhh. "When you are ready to begin transcoding use the '0' key on the remote or the keyboard to start the transcoding process".. how the fuck are you supposed to know that from the onscreen info? nul points |
| [15:32:50] | justinh: | oh wait. '0 process selected titles'. might help to say PRESS 0 |
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| [15:36:20] | justinh: | funny thing too – remember I had issues with shaw cable ip addresses bashing on my door a lot? I emailed them to complain & they basically denied they were active IP addresses & said it was prolly someone spoofing them. Well, since then, no more overloading my router from shaw cable addresses. coincidence? maybe |
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| [15:41:28] | XLV: | or not... |
| [15:42:06] | XLV: | though i doubt they would take active measures, just from incompetence if nothing more malice |
| [15:42:09] | justinh: | either way, I'm happy to have a continuously usable broadband connection again |
| [15:43:21] | XLV: | so another cable user had the bw to dos your connection? |
| [15:43:35] | justinh: | it wasn't just one user. looked like a botnet |
| [15:43:49] | justinh: | was a multitude of addresses from their subnet |
| [15:44:39] | justinh: | and it doesn't take much to fudge a home broadband connection |
| [15:45:28] | justinh: | kept my router really busy, so much so I could hardly get a packet in or out sometimes |
| [15:45:31] | XLV: | dont know. never had an incident with mutlitudes of ips attacking my connection |
| [15:45:43] | justinh: | maybe it was somebody I've pissed off |
| [15:45:53] | XLV: | or some admin playing |
| [15:45:59] | justinh: | wouldn't surprise me. I've pissed a lot of people off |
| [15:46:19] | justinh: | enough to launch a DDOS on my home IP? takes allsorts |
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| [15:55:10] | directhex: | mkrufky is broken? |
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| [15:56:23] | mkrufky-away: | hi |
| [15:56:26] | levander: | Apparently for a DVD you've ripped to show up in "Watch Recordings" you have to fill in the metadata with imdb. |
| [15:56:31] | mkrufky-away: | no, mkrufky-afk is broken |
| [15:56:38] | directhex: | levander, nope |
| [15:56:50] | directhex: | leprechau, watch recordings has nothing to do with imdb |
| [15:56:54] | directhex: | bah |
| [15:57:09] | levander: | Are you calling me leprachaun you embicile? |
| [15:57:13] | mkrufky-away: | apparantly, i never registered that one with nickserv, and my irc client got mad about that |
| [15:57:34] | Dagmar: | Calling you names, is it? |
| [15:57:38] | directhex: | it's imbecile |
| [15:57:51] | levander: | Well, for some reason the ripped DVD didn't show up for me in Watch Recordings till I filled in the metadata... |
| [15:58:00] | levander: | But, it's first time – maybe I did something else wrong. |
| [15:58:03] | jblack: | levander: There's a user in the channel called leprechau. His automatic nick completion would have gotten confused. |
| [15:58:21] | Dagmar: | Probably because it doesn't automatically populate the data for _another plugin that may or may not exist on the installation_ |
| [15:58:24] | levander: | jblack: Everyone in the channel but you understood I was joking. |
| [15:58:35] | Dagmar: | Ya see the reasoning there? |
| [15:58:37] | levander: | jblack: Apparently, you're the leprechaun! |
| [15:59:15] | zabadapp: | levander: but ripped dvds become "recordings"? (i haven't tried yet, i don't know ... i would have guessed they end up in "videos") |
| [15:59:31] | jblack: | Your joke telling skills are in desperate need of improvement, if that's your attempt at a joke |
| [15:59:58] | levander: | zabadapp: You're right, I put it in this channel wrong. It is videos. |
| [16:00:39] | levander: | jblack: I'm too lazy to continue the game an type in an entire joke... So now, I'm the leprechaun. |
| [16:01:35] | zabadapp: | levander: ok, and as i wrote earlier (in case you missed), myth can be configured to show all files in "videos" without scanning or adding metadata ... directly on the fly! |
| [16:02:05] | levander: | Yeah, I looked for that. Didn't see it. I'll look again later. |
| [16:02:09] | levander: | zabadapp: Thanks. |
| [16:02:47] | zabadapp: | it's where you select the default view mode (gallery/list/etc) for videos ... and you set the "mirror filesystem" for each mode |
| [16:03:11] | levander: | What are the odds we'll be able to watch Blu Ray movies on myth boxes in the next year. |
| [16:03:18] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [16:03:19] | XLV: | justinh, straying from mythtv? |
| [16:03:21] | levander: | Now that Blu Ray has won the HD format war. |
| [16:03:40] | zabadapp: | if you wish to rather not see some files in the file system, you can set certain extensions to "ignore" where you associate extensions with players |
| [16:03:45] | iamlindoro_: | I watch blu ray movies on my myth box today... |
| [16:03:55] | iamlindoro_: | I just have to rip them first. |
| [16:04:13] | iamlindoro_: | and patch mplayer, and set each with a unique player command.... |
| [16:04:20] | levander: | iamlindoro:Blu Ray isn't encrypted like regular DVD's? Won't someone have to break something like CSS for Blu Ray's? |
| [16:04:25] | iamlindoro_: | but it's still *possible* |
| [16:04:42] | iamlindoro_: | levander: Yes, the disks are encrypted... |
| [16:04:44] | XLV: | levander, i think thats already done |
| [16:04:59] | ** iamlindoro_ wonders why he bothered writing the article on the wiki on this topic ** | |
| [16:05:15] | levander: | iamlindoro: I still think Blu Ray is too expensive to buy a player. |
| [16:05:20] | Dagmar: | So you can pound people over the head with the URL instead of typing all this crap over and over again. |
| [16:05:28] | iamlindoro_: | levander: Then why did you bother asking the question? |
| [16:05:31] | Dagmar: | If they can't be bothered to read the URL, then scroo'um |
| [16:05:40] | levander: | iamlindoro: Well, because I was curious. |
| [16:05:48] | directhex: | blu-ray drives are under £100 |
| [16:06:01] | iamlindoro_: | go to the wiki and search for any of the following: bluray, blu-ray, hddvd, hd-dvd, High definition disk formats.... |
| [16:06:16] | iamlindoro_: | all of which will give you a step by step guide to ripping and playing them |
| [16:06:20] | levander: | directhex: Oh yeah, I was looking at Blu Ray burners the other day. Maybe I'll get a readonly... |
| [16:06:30] | ** directhex adds "hd-dvd is dead lulz" to iamlindoro's wiki article ** | |
| [16:06:37] | iamlindoro_: | you can get a combo HD-DVD and blu-ray drive for $250 US |
| [16:06:51] | levander: | iamlindoro: Thanks, but you already told me everything I want to know for the time being. When I actually set out to do it, I'm sure that wiki page will be very helpful. |
| [16:07:04] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: true true! But now's the time for me to pick up all the disks at less than half price since my myth box thinks they're all the same :) |
| [16:07:08] | levander: | iamlindoro: HD-DVD lost. |
| [16:07:27] | directhex: | iamlindoro, half price? only $40 a disc? :O |
| [16:07:42] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Amazon's got 'em for $12ish this week |
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| [16:08:25] | directhex: | £24 for 300 or transformers on hd-dvd |
| [16:08:32] | directhex: | which would be $50 |
| [16:08:40] | levander: | Did anyone figure out why Blu Ray won? There was no reason really listed when I was googling around the other day. |
| [16:08:56] | directhex: | levander, ps3 |
| [16:09:06] | directhex: | levander, as expected, really |
| [16:09:06] | levander: | All I saw about it was that the EU was inquiring to see if Sony used "inappropriate measures" to convince people to switch. |
| [16:09:20] | levander: | Well, to convince studios to switch. |
| [16:09:44] | directhex: | probably, but so did the hd-dvd crowd |
| [16:09:49] | directhex: | that much is documented |
| [16:09:55] | XLV: | hmm.. 30E for a 50GB bd-r. not yet |
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| [16:09:59] | directhex: | in the end, it doesn't benefit the studios to have a format war |
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| [16:10:13] | levander: | directhex: Yeah, I thought it was moronic when Sony released the P3S. Thought they developed a machine to promote their own standards rather than something the users wanted. Turned out, Sony's gamble paid off. Hats off to Sony. |
| [16:10:50] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Sounds like you guys are getting stiffed, Amazon's got 150 HD-0DVDs at half price here right now |
| [16:10:55] | levander: | directhex: But, when people switched to HD DVD, they were always citing "lower production costs". When people switched to Blu Ray, they never really gave a reason. |
| [16:11:07] | iamlindoro_: | and Deepdiscount has them as low as $12 |
| [16:11:13] | XLV: | sony does have a motion pictures department, MS doesnt |
| [16:11:17] | iamlindoro_: | er $11 actually |
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| [16:11:33] | levander: | directhex: What were the sly things HD DVD did to get studios to use HD DVD? The documented stuff you mention above. |
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| [16:12:09] | directhex: | levander, blu-ray is more expensive, and has more drm. hd-dvd is better for the consumer. but in the end, gotta go where the content is. the ps3 means blu-ray had a bigger installed base, means studios focused on it more, means the base got bigger, etc. it was only ever a question of when |
| [16:12:32] | levander: | I'm actually glad Blu Ray won. It's faster, higher disc capacities for backups. |
| [16:12:51] | levander: | directhex: That's the best analysis I've seen. And, I googled for maybe an hour or so yesterday. |
| [16:13:16] | directhex: | blu-ray is slooooow |
| [16:13:21] | levander: | I laughed when Sony bundled Blu Ray in the PS3. Thought it just made the thing too expensive. Really surprised they pulled that off. |
| [16:13:25] | XLV: | directhex, hd dvd decks were always cheaper though, and last year almost cheap, so that wasnt the only reason |
| [16:13:42] | directhex: | it's one of the reasons multi-platform games are better on the xbox 360 is dvd is so very much faster than blu-ray |
| [16:13:49] | directhex: | XLV, i never cited price as a factor |
| [16:13:50] | iamlindoro_: | Heh.... HD-DVD wasn't region coded and its protection was completely broken. Neither HD-DVD nor Blu-ray have been filling their capacity and the largest blu-ray rip I have made could fit on an HD-DVD. Blu-ray's BD+ is undefeated so far... for the myth user, HD-DVD was MUCH better |
| [16:13:56] | XLV: | levander, they'll make up from other ends |
| [16:14:23] | iamlindoro_: | but anyway, BD+ will ultimately be defeated and all the AACS protected blu-ray disks can be read, so for now it's fine. |
| [16:14:38] | levander: | XLV: Yeah, the PS3 was Sony's investment to get Blu Ray going. I thought that from the very release. Turns out they pulled it off. |
| [16:14:41] | directhex: | i need to doctor some of these screenshots |
| [16:14:58] | XLV: | levander, plus for pc, you will get a dual drive when time comes, so for pc and backups etc it doesnt matter much |
| [16:15:16] | levander: | directhex: What I remember seeing is that Blu Ray is faster than HD DVD. Is that accurate? I didn't see any comparison to regular DVD. |
| [16:15:56] | directhex: | levander, in theory both are 36mbit at 1x |
| [16:16:07] | levander: | XLV: When it matters is when you have a backup that you keep adding to. Like the scheme for backing up with rsync. You can keep adding to the same backup longer with rsync. |
| [16:16:38] | levander: | adding to the same backup longer when you use Blu Ray, and their bigger capacity |
| [16:17:34] | XLV: | levander, i wouldnt use any optical for repeated backups.. only for archiving i use them |
| [16:17:56] | levander: | XLV: Wouldn't use them because of scratches? |
| [16:18:10] | XLV: | levander, too fragile imo |
| [16:18:20] | XLV: | a usb2 hdd is more dependable |
| [16:18:47] | levander: | Yeah, I do baby my optical disks. And, I still occasionally get scraches on them. I've never hurt one once it's in the player though. |
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| [16:54:45] | justinh: | well that was straightforward. I'll see how it goes for a while |
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| [17:00:22] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone here use the mythvideo dvd rip abilities ? |
| [17:00:37] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: just tried it :( |
| [17:00:45] | justinh: | I'll stick to 'other' methods |
| [17:01:09] | GreyFoxx: | It's been a while since I last used this to make a "perfect" rip and it's ripping but the filename is "X-MEN3_001of" |
| [17:01:20] | GreyFoxx: | I'm assuming it should have a vob extension or similar :) |
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| [17:02:31] | majost: | I am trying to build mythtv via mingw.... and It gets almost to the end of compiling mythtv when it errors out with the following: |
| [17:02:45] | justinh: | the main rip screen needs some explanatory text IMHO. I'd submit a patch if there was any point |
| [17:02:56] | majost: | make[1]: Leaving directory `/C/mythtv/mythtv/config' |
| [17:02:56] | majost: | EFFECT FAILED (newer -> shell): mtime of file (C:/mythtv/mythtv/libs/libmyth/lib |
| [17:03:01] | majost: | myth-0.21.dll) should be greater than file (C:/mythtv/mythtv/last_build.txt). |
| [17:03:07] | directhex: | justinh, did you use openchrome or the binary unichrome driver with your epia? |
| [17:03:16] | justinh: | directhex: openchrome |
| [17:03:31] | directhex: | justinh, any particular reason? |
| [17:03:35] | Inssomniak: | seems a bug in mythcommflag --rebuild -all is broken |
| [17:03:37] | justinh: | it sucked badly for mythtv. everything else was fine |
| [17:03:53] | justinh: | directhex: minimyth didn't come with unichrome, mostly |
| [17:03:56] | directhex: | justinh, this was a 1.5ghz epia wasn't it? |
| [17:03:59] | GreyFoxx: | ok, it renamed it to vob when it finished |
| [17:04:10] | justinh: | directhex: m10000 |
| [17:04:30] | directhex: | and you found it was fine? O_o |
| [17:04:40] | justinh: | directhex: outside of mythtv yeah |
| [17:04:50] | justinh: | just couldn't hack it playing recordings some of the time |
| [17:04:54] | justinh: | SDTV mpeg2 ffs |
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| [17:05:08] | directhex: | justinh, i didn't get that ANY of the time |
| [17:05:09] | justinh: | played 720p mpeg2 in xine & mplayer no problem whatsoever though |
| [17:05:18] | justinh: | directhex: different video chipset |
| [17:05:24] | justinh: | mine's the CLE266 |
| [17:05:27] | directhex: | bleh |
| [17:06:33] | justinh: | I think I was being plagued by the variable buffer stuff talked about earlier today |
| [17:07:25] | justinh: | might have a look & see if that can be worked around. I couldn't care less about channel changing times but when my core2 has problems playing SDTV mpeg2 it's time to take action |
| [17:07:35] | justinh: | not high cpu usage mind |
| [17:07:38] | justinh: | far from it |
| [17:08:48] | justinh: | wheee mediaportal has hard locked the machine. I reset it, and now the tuner card is no longer worky. |
| [17:09:02] | justinh: | stupid BDA drivers I expect |
| [17:10:07] | majost: | has anyone manage to build mythtv under windows? |
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| [17:10:43] | justinh: | here we go... the rot is setting in |
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| [17:14:09] | kdub: | haha |
| [17:17:41] | justinh: | going to buy a dual tuner standalone PVR tomorrow |
| [17:18:13] | justinh: | I have a feeling I'll be back on mythtv within a week though |
| [17:18:42] | kdub: | why are you going to buy that? |
| [17:20:03] | justinh: | because not even a core2 duo 1.8Ghz can play back all my mpeg2 DVB recordings completely flawlessly & I'm sick of it |
| [17:20:29] | kdub: | if it cant then you are probably doing somethign wrong |
| [17:20:56] | justinh: | hmm lemme think. does mplayer, xine & VLC have any trouble with the recordings? no it doesn't |
| [17:21:14] | jblack: | bleh. My scroll wheel now changes playback |
| [17:22:08] | directhex: | justinh, myth's crappy "zomg, bitrate not constant!" issue? |
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| [17:22:49] | justinh: | you appear to have put one of your human digits on the nub of the issue |
| [17:23:03] | directhex: | tee hee, you said "nub" |
| [17:23:30] | jblack: | justinh: I'll be surprised if you're not back in 2 days. |
| [17:23:31] | Inssomniak: | anyone know how to get around the mythcommflag --rebuild bug? |
| [17:24:12] | justinh: | Inssomniak: and be irritated by occasional pauses in playback on a box which should be at least 20 times too capable? |
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| [17:24:24] | Inssomniak: | eh? |
| [17:24:43] | justinh: | oops. jblack ^^^^ |
| [17:25:11] | jblack: | justinh: I think you've forgotten just how intentionally limited those commercial DVRs are.. things like "commercial skip disabled or even disabled"... Braindead scheduling... TV time taken to download ads behind your back, monthly service fees... |
| [17:25:27] | justinh: | commercial skip? in the UK ?! |
| [17:25:40] | justinh: | the one I'k buying has 30 sec skip buttons |
| [17:25:43] | justinh: | that'd do |
| [17:26:07] | Inssomniak: | hmm myth plays back 1080i HD content perfectly fine om my core2duo 1.8ghz |
| [17:26:10] | justinh: | and fwiw I don't even _need_ most of the scheduling |
| [17:26:24] | justinh: | Inssomniak: I'll pass you a few recordings that won't. 720x576 mpeg2 |
| [17:26:25] | jblack: | maybe you'll be happy then. I somehow doubt it. |
| [17:26:40] | Inssomniak: | why wont these recordings play back? |
| [17:26:59] | justinh: | cos funny enough my box plays 720p h.264 just fine. just not SDTV recordings from DVB-T |
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| [17:27:06] | Inssomniak: | probably flaws in the way they are transmitted |
| [17:27:10] | justinh: | it's not that they won't play back |
| [17:27:51] | justinh: | they're not flaws if other programs play back the same things just fine |
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| [17:28:29] | justinh: | bitrates can swing around a lot on UK DVB-T apparently & something isn't liking it |
| [17:28:35] | Inssomniak: | gotta be a uk thing lol |
| [17:28:45] | kdub: | well they swing around a lot here |
| [17:28:52] | jblack: | 50 hz AC just ain't fast enough. ;) |
| [17:28:55] | justinh: | CPU usage of the frontend remains low yet playback is coughing with loads of NVP::prebuffer pauses |
| [17:29:00] | kdub: | they usually just broadcast the commercials in whatever bitrate they get them in |
| [17:29:05] | kdub: | so they dont match |
| [17:29:16] | jblack: | justinh: Oh, so either the network or the drive isn't keeping up |
| [17:29:25] | justinh: | jblack: it IS keeping up |
| [17:29:44] | kdub: | can you adjust the cache size in myth like you can with -cache in mplayer? |
| [17:29:58] | justinh: | kdub: no. the buffer amount is dynamic |
| [17:30:03] | kdub: | i see |
| [17:30:04] | jblack: | I get those all the time on this 802.11g network whenever the network is doing other things. |
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| [17:30:27] | justinh: | jblack: it's not network or hdd throughput. not if other players work fine on the same files |
| [17:30:44] | directhex: | justinh, something is broken in whatever does the buffering |
| [17:30:57] | directhex: | justinh, i get that message on mp4 files |
| [17:31:10] | jblack: | I think it's a buffering problem. Those other players probably buffer more... at least enough to get through io dropouts. |
| [17:31:37] | darkfrog: | When I try to watch a Video in Myth frontend it seems to play the video (I can hear sound), but the myth frontend still displays. I have it using default mplayer settings to play video...has anyone experienced this before? I'm running Mythbuntu 7.10. |
| [17:31:38] | justinh: | directhex: IIRC the buffer amount is based on current bitrate. big changes throw it a curveball |
| [17:32:06] | directhex: | justinh, then that's broken & needs fixing |
| [17:32:18] | justinh: | anyway I've burnt my mythtv fanclub badge |
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| [17:32:25] | directhex: | darkfrog, is someone not using a WM? |
| [17:32:43] | darkfrog: | WM? |
| [17:32:49] | justinh: | darkfrog: window manager |
| [17:32:51] | directhex: | window manager |
| [17:33:14] | darkfrog: | Whatever Mythbuntu does by default...so yeah, I should be. :o |
| [17:33:56] | darkfrog: | Is there a command that will tell me what Window Manager is being used? |
| [17:34:13] | justinh: | directhex: did you also know the a/v divergence is being updated to the database? |
| [17:34:22] | kdub: | if you dont know what window manager you are using you most likely are using one |
| [17:34:35] | directhex: | justinh, well, duh. myth doesn't hammer the database enough |
| [17:34:54] | darkfrog: | Well, it's KDE or Gnome I'm sure, but don't recall on that box which one. :o |
| [17:35:03] | kdub: | it shouldnt matter |
| [17:35:05] | kdub: | either will work |
| [17:35:10] | darkfrog: | you wouldn't think. ;) |
| [17:35:27] | kdub: | bud do you have a foot or a gear for your start here icon |
| [17:35:28] | kdub: | heh |
| [17:35:31] | kdub: | but* |
| [17:35:35] | darkfrog: | I have a second myth box that can play the videos fine using the exact same settings though...it's Fedora 8 though |
| [17:36:26] | kdub: | well why wouldnt you just stick with fedora then? |
| [17:36:53] | darkfrog: | because I just happened to use Mythbuntu for one box to give it a try. :o |
| [17:37:06] | darkfrog: | it's working quite nicely apart from not being able to display videos. :o |
| [17:37:13] | directhex: | i didn't realise mythbuntu still used mplayer for anything anyway |
| [17:37:31] | darkfrog: | directhex, I think it just leaves all default settings for video playing |
| [17:37:42] | darkfrog: | ...same exact config for the player as Fedora 8 had after installing Myth |
| [17:38:01] | directhex: | mythtv doesn't use config files |
| [17:38:14] | darkfrog: | directhex, didn't say it did. :o |
| [17:38:36] | darkfrog: | config == configuration |
| [17:41:29] | justinh: | hmm the log output is illuminating:RingBuf(myth://192.168.1.10:6543/1008_20080215120000.mpg): CalcReadAheadThresh(15256 KB) -> threshhold(814 KB) min read(32 KB) blk size(256 KB) |
| [17:41:54] | Dagmar: | OMG you're such a liar! |
| [17:42:01] | Dagmar: | MythTV uses _one_ config file. |
| [17:42:02] | Dagmar: | ;) |
| [17:42:21] | justinh: | Dagmar: not in trunk. doesn't have to |
| [17:42:26] | Dagmar: | It's all uPNP now? |
| [17:42:35] | Dagmar: | ...including where to find the database server? |
| [17:42:36] | justinh: | not upnp no |
| [17:42:44] | kdub: | it reads your mind for the settings |
| [17:42:59] | Dagmar: | Ah, so they've finally integrated libmscleo.so support then? |
| [17:43:10] | justinh: | hmm maybe it does use upnp – anyway autodiscovery is the order of things |
| [17:43:12] | Dagmar: | ...or did they use the GPL 3.0's libfatblackpsychiclady.so? |
| [17:43:58] | justinh: | wtf?! NVP: progressive frame seen after 2 interlaced frames |
| [17:44:01] | justinh: | 2008-02–17 11:29:02.768 Disabled deinterlacing |
| [17:44:11] | justinh: | it's UK TV. there are no progressive anythings |
| [17:44:24] | kdub: | yall dont have 720p? |
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| [17:44:37] | justinh: | 576i SDTV |
| [17:44:39] | justinh: | all of it |
| [17:44:47] | kdub: | and i thought BBC was broadcasting some 1080p |
| [17:44:56] | justinh: | wrong |
| [17:45:09] | justinh: | BBCHD – one FTA satellite channel 'casting 1080i |
| [17:45:26] | kdub: | really |
| [17:45:33] | justinh: | we're really advanced like that. one FTA HD channel |
| [17:45:35] | kdub: | i always see top gear torrents that say BBC 1080p |
| [17:45:39] | kdub: | guess they could be liars |
| [17:46:05] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [17:46:06] | justinh: | the BBC HD trials in london did try 1080p for a while IIRC but that's over now |
| [17:46:19] | kdub: | i see |
| [17:46:23] | Dagmar: | Particularly since I only seldom see a torrent that hasn't been downsampled to a considerably lower resolution |
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| [17:46:45] | kdub: | nah they really are 1080p |
| [17:46:51] | kdub: | i accidently downloaded them once |
| [17:47:12] | justinh: | not deinterlaced & upsampled – and you'd be able to tell (yeah right) |
| [17:47:13] | majost: | its probably just deinterlaced. |
| [17:48:56] | justinh: | iiiiit's back! |
| [17:49:02] | justinh: | :-( |
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| [17:51:57] | majost: | So I have to ask this one last time to be sure... has anyone built myhtv on their windows xp box? |
| [17:52:04] | Dagmar: | HAHAHAHA |
| [17:52:08] | majost: | All I really need is the frontend |
| [17:52:11] | majost: | which compiles |
| [17:52:46] | majost: | but it keeps dying when it does the make on myth/config |
| [17:52:50] | kdub: | its good that all you need is the frontend |
| [17:52:58] | kdub: | because i dont think they even started on the backend yet |
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| [17:53:08] | majost: | *nod* |
| [17:53:46] | majost: | the script builds the backend though... which seems kind of odd to me |
| [17:53:57] | kdub: | you are actually the first person i have seen come here and ask that |
| [17:54:06] | majost: | hehe |
| [17:54:33] | majost: | yeah, I couldn't find anything like this on google, so I figured irc would be my next stop |
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| [17:55:58] | majost: | the error is: |
| [17:55:59] | majost: | cd config && \ |
| [17:55:59] | majost: | make -f Makefile |
| [17:55:59] | majost: | make[1]: Entering directory `/C/mythtv/mythtv/config' |
| [17:55:59] | majost: | make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'. |
| [17:55:59] | majost: | make[1]: Leaving directory `/C/mythtv/mythtv/config' |
| [17:56:00] | majost: | EFFECT FAILED (newer -> shell): mtime of file (C:/mythtv/mythtv/libs/libmyth/lib |
| [17:56:02] | majost: | myth-0.21.dll) should be greater than file (C:/mythtv/mythtv/last_build.txt). |
| [17:56:31] | majost: | it seems like its freaking out about a time stamp |
| [17:56:37] | fryfrog: | majost: next time, try pastebin |
| [17:56:54] | majost: | np. |
| [17:57:08] | fryfrog: | so nuke your source dir and re-grab it |
| [17:57:27] | fryfrog: | or maybe the times are funked up since you are... using smb/cifs? |
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| [17:57:52] | majost: | Im building local, not over samba |
| [17:58:11] | fryfrog: | wtf is "/C/ then? |
| [17:58:30] | majost: | thats what mingw uses |
| [17:58:35] | fryfrog: | OHH! |
| [17:58:42] | fryfrog: | sorry, didn't know you were using mingw :) |
| [17:58:57] | majost: | np |
| [17:59:36] | majost: | I haven't completely purged the source dir yet... but both of those files are products of doing the build |
| [17:59:51] | majost: | which is why I am stuck here scratching my head |
| [18:00:16] | majost: | when I look at the timestamps its bitching about, they appear fine to me. heh |
| [18:01:43] | majost: | huh... its a bug in the buildscript |
| [18:01:45] | majost: | poop |
| [18:02:47] | justinh: | the -commits list is literally litterred with messages about fixes for the windows build stuff. I got so sick of seeing them I made a filter which automagically deleted em |
| [18:03:08] | majost: | heh |
| [18:03:29] | majost: | yeah... but its good that the work is being done. |
| [18:03:48] | majost: | I hate using windows, but the only OS which I can get to drive my HDTV is... windows. |
| [18:03:51] | majost: | =( |
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| [18:03:58] | GreyFoxx: | majost: Why is that ? |
| [18:04:09] | GreyFoxx: | Poort video card support or something ? |
| [18:04:23] | majost: | Mostly my TV.. |
| [18:04:53] | GreyFoxx: | Sounds kinda fishy to me |
| [18:04:58] | GreyFoxx: | more likely just a config issue |
| [18:05:15] | justinh: | hmmm who said it can't be the fs? got actual 185896, ideal 449, fragmentation factor 99.76% on my recordings partition here |
| [18:05:23] | majost: | Im using an nvidia card with HDMI out, but the Linux drivers don't do overscan compensation for one... which doesn't matter much because it wont accept any resolutions I put in |
| [18:05:50] | GreyFoxx: | majost: I'm using (just set it up yesterday on my new TV) an nvidia fx5200 with a dvi->hdmi cable |
| [18:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | pushing 1360x768 to |
| [18:06:01] | GreyFoxx: | it |
| [18:06:12] | majost: | it really depends on the tv |
| [18:06:14] | GreyFoxx: | looks fscking amazing |
| [18:06:21] | kdub: | im feeding my TV 1240x702 over hdmi |
| [18:06:22] | majost: | the edid info my tv passes is all messed up |
| [18:06:23] | kdub: | with nvidia |
| [18:06:29] | kdub: | you certainly can do overscan compensation |
| [18:06:34] | GreyFoxx: | I had to mess around with the config to get it to work |
| [18:06:36] | kdub: | its possible |
| [18:06:44] | kdub: | you didnt spend enough time trying to get it to work |
| [18:06:48] | justinh: | kdub: not on dvi/vga outputs – at least without custom modelines |
| [18:06:48] | GreyFoxx: | majost: You can tell it to ignore edid |
| [18:06:50] | majost: | and even when I disable edid and use the same res settings as windows, it doesn't work |
| [18:07:03] | kdub: | what is so scary about custom modelines |
| [18:07:05] | GreyFoxx: | majost: since you have windows |
| [18:07:07] | justinh: | windows or linux, starting to think that using computers as pvrs is just wrong |
| [18:07:12] | GreyFoxx: | use powerstrip, get it looking the way you want |
| [18:07:14] | majost: | Belive me, I spent almost two weeks trying |
| [18:07:15] | majost: | heh |
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| [18:07:23] | GreyFoxx: | and get powerstrip to give you a modeline |
| [18:07:28] | GreyFoxx: | then use that under X |
| [18:07:29] | Dagmar: | kdub: They can make your monitor explode and fire flaming shards of phosphorous-coated glass right into your eyes. |
| [18:07:31] | majost: | I did |
| [18:07:33] | Dagmar: | Right into your eyes! |
| [18:07:39] | ** Dagmar pounds his desk. ** | |
| [18:07:55] | majost: | like I said, the modelines which should work... didn't |
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| [18:08:04] | kdub: | then you did something wrong |
| [18:08:22] | majost: | I think what may actually be happening is that my tv requires HDCP to run at 1080p |
| [18:08:27] | GreyFoxx: | I ended up just running nvidia-settings and let it do all the work for me |
| [18:08:35] | majost: | which may not be supported under the linux driver... |
| [18:09:06] | kdub: | i dont think any TV requires HDCP |
| [18:09:14] | majost: | not true |
| [18:09:17] | kdub: | its the source that requires it |
| [18:09:18] | Dagmar: | If you're using HDMI, then it's possible |
| [18:09:21] | kdub: | not the TV |
| [18:09:24] | kdub: | really? |
| [18:09:28] | majost: | yup |
| [18:09:28] | kdub: | thats really homosexual then |
| [18:09:56] | Dagmar: | 'dis would be why I don't much care for formats that have DRM either mandatory, or damn near mandatory |
| [18:09:58] | majost: | my video card does HDCP out... but like I said, 1080p only seems to work in windows. |
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| [18:10:17] | kdub: | does the xbox 360 use HDCP for playing games in 1080p? |
| [18:10:21] | Dagmar: | If your TV has DVI input, I would jump on that |
| [18:10:27] | majost: | HDCP will probably go away before long |
| [18:10:32] | Dagmar: | Doubt it |
| [18:10:43] | Dagmar: | The media whores want a lock on both content and playback money |
| [18:10:45] | majost: | its a pretty dumb idea to encrypt the singnal over a freaking cable |
| [18:10:51] | majost: | in my opinion anyway |
| [18:10:54] | Dagmar: | This is the same reason we don't have legit DVD players in Linux |
| [18:11:27] | Dagmar: | For us to get a licenced DVD player that can legally do encrypted DVDs, it would basically have to be closed-source, and the developer would have to pay money to the licencing body |
| [18:11:39] | justinh: | well you can waste a lot of time arguing over the status quo or just grease yourself up & bend over |
| [18:11:43] | jblack: | Does DVI not have all that horrid DRM nastiness that HDCP does? |
| [18:11:52] | justinh: | DVI does HDCP too |
| [18:12:03] | majost: | jblack some sets do |
| [18:12:05] | majost: | heh |
| [18:12:14] | justinh: | they use the data signals to pass the HDCP keys over |
| [18:12:19] | majost: | HDMI is just DVI with sound for the most part |
| [18:12:21] | jblack: | I don't want to buy a TV, only to bring it home and find out that it doesn't work with my computer. |
| [18:12:51] | Dagmar: | http://tv.about.com/od/hdtv/a/hdmidvihdcp.htm |
| [18:13:30] | Dagmar: | Try not to think about the fact that the reporter has only a 6th grade science education |
| [18:13:55] | Dagmar: | "The advantage of DVI is that it only requires one cable to transfer the red-blue-green signal, and the speed it transfers an image is significantly faster than the analog component cables, which benefits the overall viewing experience on DLP, Plasma, and LCD televisions." |
| [18:13:57] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [18:14:51] | directhex: | O_o |
| [18:14:53] | justinh: | wonder if there's any actual point in defragging this partition. it'll only get shot to bits again |
| [18:15:11] | Dagmar: | justinh: not if you mount it read-only it won't. |
| [18:15:22] | justinh: | fat load of good that is for recordings |
| [18:15:38] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [18:15:53] | justinh: | 99.75% is pretty bad though, so will give it a whirl |
| [18:16:09] | Dagmar: | I think you shoudl be worried about the number of fragments per file |
| [18:16:28] | Dagmar: | If your filesystem is 100% fragmented, with each file having only two fragments, who gives a damn |
| [18:16:32] | jblack: | That's what worries me. I dont' want to spend money on 1080i televisions that degrade to 480i with myth. |
| [18:17:30] | justinh: | Dagmar: there are a lot of fragments |
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| [18:18:40] | directhex: | the xbox 360 will do 1080p over component if your tv allows it |
| [18:18:54] | directhex: | i have no idea whether the hdmi-equipped consoles use hdcp for non-movie content |
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| [18:19:23] | jarle: | I have a dvb-s setup with a diseqc setup where LNB1 is sourceid 1 and LNB2 is sourceid 4 etc. I have channel that I need to confirm that it is using the correct LNB, By browsing the database, how can I confirm this? The cannel uses mplexid 368, so I guess I have to start by looking that up in dtv_multiplex? |
| [18:20:02] | jarle: | correction -> LNB2 is sourceid 2 |
| [18:20:08] | justinh: | Dagmar: 440 files, 185896 fragments |
| [18:21:01] | majost: | grr |
| [18:21:11] | majost: | I cannot submit a bug... |
| [18:21:30] | majost: | looks like roadrunner is on the blacklist |
| [18:21:32] | majost: | =P |
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| [18:22:26] | majost: | could someone submit a bug for the win32 buildscript for me? |
| [18:22:26] | majost: | heh |
| [18:22:38] | justinh: | someone who cares? ;) |
| [18:22:51] | nordle: | hello all. I've googled but not yet found, what is "TitlePlayCommand" for? It's in the settings table, and I've seen a few people quote it, such as: TitlePlayCommand mplayer dvd://%t -dvd-device %d -fs -zoom -vo xv -aid %a -channels %c mythtvhost40. I guess it plays a specifc title on a DVD, but given that MythDVD is triggered from Alt+E which I believe is mythdvd.DVDPlayerCommand. So how is TitlePlayCommand triggered? |
| [18:22:52] | Dagmar: | justinh: WOW |
| [18:23:34] | justinh: | Dagmar: yeah I think that might be why I'm seeing the occasional playback glitch. other players might just be stepping over it with their more er.. well _different_ bufferring schemes |
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| [18:24:04] | justinh: | if it is & all I need to do is defrag, or upgrade & have storage groups to spread the load some.. |
| [18:24:16] | justinh: | then I might just be one happy user again. |
| [18:25:01] | Dagmar: | for fileenam in *; cp $filename $filename.defragged ; mv $filename.defragged $filename; done |
| [18:25:04] | Dagmar: | or something like that |
| [18:25:08] | Dagmar: | Shove a do in there somewhere or other |
| [18:25:19] | jblack: | do cp |
| [18:25:32] | Dagmar: | *foreheadsmack* |
| [18:25:39] | justinh: | Dagmar: I converted to xfs a while ago – so this is a good amount of time's worth |
| [18:25:41] | Dagmar: | Sorry... cat $filename > $filename.defragged |
| [18:25:51] | Dagmar: | Oooh extents-a-go-go |
| [18:26:10] | Dagmar: | What I was told is that XFS gets wiggy about files that we write to in clumps |
| [18:26:20] | justinh: | wiggy? |
| [18:26:39] | Dagmar: | "performs less than logically" |
| [18:26:49] | justinh: | so despite being a bugger at deletion, ext3 would be better? |
| [18:26:53] | Dagmar: | JFS |
| [18:27:22] | justinh: | I don't honestly think the true pros & cons of all the fs are covered in the docs |
| [18:28:00] | Dagmar: | I may be getting this completely screwed up, but what I was told about XFS is that as Myth gets each little pile of data, it writes it to the disk, and XFS uses an extent for that chunk alone |
| [18:28:30] | Dagmar: | ...so files written all in one go use very few extents, while files written a little at a time (esp simultaneously) don't get so lucky |
| [18:28:43] | justinh: | oh crap |
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| [18:29:03] | justinh: | a little at a time, like at 6mbits/sec or whatever.. :) |
| [18:29:09] | Dagmar: | Yeah |
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| [18:29:15] | Dagmar: | Part of the reason I went with JFS |
| [18:29:18] | justinh: | that'd make sense |
| [18:29:31] | justinh: | dunno if I have enough free space at the mo to convert |
| [18:29:44] | Dagmar: | GOod excuse to start burning DVDs then |
| [18:30:21] | justinh: | then again I can always move my seldom-changing media to another box for a couple of days. won't spoil anything |
| [18:30:43] | justinh: | heh only 173030 fragments now |
| [18:30:47] | Dagmar: | wow |
| [18:31:15] | justinh: | I wouldn't say I have a particularly high turnover of recordings either |
| [18:31:55] | justinh: | but that said, average 10GB a day recorded & expired – it could add up |
| [18:32:13] | justinh: | wonder if there's not just some noob fs tuning step I missed out |
| [18:32:35] | jarle: | to ask the question in another way: in which tables does mythtv look to figure out which diseqc it has to tune to to get a channel? |
| [18:32:57] | justinh: | jarle: cardinput ? |
| [18:33:03] | jblack: | With 1500 shows here, I can only imagine how bad it is for you justinh. |
| [18:33:31] | justinh: | maybe it's time to stop using xfs |
| [18:33:37] | justinh: | and time to stop recommending it |
| [18:33:41] | justinh: | (for mythtv) |
| [18:34:31] | jblack: | Perhaps. I haven't had trouble here in some time with ext3 |
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| [18:35:22] | justinh: | before myth got its gradual delete doozy I whacked 300GB worth of recordings in one go. maxxed out IO. at the same time a big download filled up my / partition so the DB went byebyes too |
| [18:35:49] | justinh: | luckily I had a backup & lost only one recording |
| [18:36:09] | jblack: | Ahh. I've never deleted 300 gigs worth of stuff at once... 20–30 at a time at most. |
| [18:36:24] | justinh: | was a ruthless space reclamation |
| [18:36:39] | justinh: | never again, I tell thee |
| [18:36:56] | jblack: | I'm under the impression that ext3 delete is much more sane on latter kernels, even without gradual delete |
| [18:37:33] | jblack: | Heh. Characters were dying left and right. Entire seasons were getting napalmed. It was syndicated hell, man! |
| [18:37:46] | justinh: | if I can make these occasional 'ick' issues go away it'll be back in my good books. I can't fault it but it _really_ should do better regardless IMHO |
| [18:38:10] | jarle: | justinh: cardinput does not seem to have any information about which diseqc port to use for each input, diseqc_port is NULL for all the inputs in that table... |
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| [18:39:12] | justinh: | wheee actual 164568, ideal 449, fragmentation factor 99.73% |
| [18:39:24] | justinh: | this is gonna take quite some time methinks |
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| [18:40:53] | jarle: | justinh: my problem is that I have some channels that I am only supposed to get in diseqc port 3 (sourceid 3), I also seem to get in diseqc port 4 (sourceid 4). So I need to check my db to see if something is not setup correctly... |
| [18:41:19] | justinh: | jarle: you lost me at diseqc |
| [18:42:06] | jarle: | justinh: oki, not a dvb-s guy then ? :) |
| [18:42:36] | justinh: | not yet. I might one day be. maybe not with myth's future in the house in the balance |
| [18:50:10] | jblack: | heh. You'll be back. |
| [18:50:37] | justinh: | you sound so confident. you'd be surprised how few of the features in mythtv I use |
| [18:51:22] | jblack: | I am confident. I'd bet 10 bucks with 10 to 1 odds. |
| [18:52:08] | jblack: | I think you underestimate how spoiled you are. I have both myth and a tivo. :) |
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| [18:52:38] | justinh: | spoiled? my frontend not coping playing back a simple file of PAL DVD resolution without occasional pauses? |
| [18:52:49] | justinh: | though the defrag might sort that out |
| [18:53:10] | jblack: | Heh. I'm not suggesting you don't have a problem now. |
| [18:53:37] | jblack: | Incidentally, my tivo pauses. |
| [18:53:45] | justinh: | back to the shop! |
| [18:54:01] | justinh: | my vcr never used to pause! what's the meaning of this?! |
| [18:54:21] | jblack: | nah. I'm getting rid of it as soon as I can afford a few small machines to hook up to TVs |
| [18:54:42] | justinh: | yay only 99.71% fragged now |
| [18:54:45] | justinh: | :-\ |
| [18:54:55] | justinh: | 154780 |
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| [18:55:41] | justinh: | need 380GB free to copy these recordings somewhere |
| [18:56:44] | ** jamesd needs to add a 500GB drive to my shopping list.. 170GB isn't enough with one tv card... and i will be adding my second card today... so i will need the 500... ** | |
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| [18:59:16] | justinh: | actually for a few hours I could live without my media partition |
| [19:00:23] | justinh: | plan – defrag til it's mostly gone, then see what it's like. if it still sucks, get the freeview pvr. |
| [19:01:06] | justinh: | spare machine really didn't like mediaportal much. I keep trying it again & finding it no better than before. how do they cope? |
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| [19:46:55] | Tr1p: | 20:57:22 up 68 days, 12:22, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 |
| [19:47:29] | directhex: | justinh, remember windows media center is the gold standard for those folks |
| [19:47:40] | directhex: | justinh, mediaportal exists because MCE costs money (or used to) |
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| [20:13:40] | Hoxzer_: | Somebody here has experience with Dual head lirc setup ? |
| [20:14:20] | f4lt3r_: | does someone know the frequenz of TTS35AI ? |
| [20:14:23] | Hoxzer_: | :\ It appears that if I have two lircd using same /dev/lircd new programs only understand one remote/ir-receiver |
| [20:14:52] | Hoxzer_: | However in the same time old programs remain being able to understand second remote |
| [20:14:58] | f4lt3r_: | it is the remotecontroll from skystar2 |
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| [20:43:50] | GreyFoxx: | xris: This is what I have been using for the last couple days for screenshots. works fine so far http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/screenshots2.diff |
| [20:43:52] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
| [20:44:03] | xris: | GreyFoxx: good enough. :) |
| [20:44:06] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [20:45:04] | ** GreyFoxx is expermimenting with reencoding vobs to 264 files ** | |
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| [20:46:09] | GreyFoxx: | Though I might switch to a windows based solution as all of the *nix encoders seem slow |
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| [20:51:08] | zkx: | encoding x264 is slow |
| [20:51:47] | zkx: | doesn't matter which os you're running |
| [20:55:29] | justinh: | only 79103 fragments now |
| [21:00:43] | directhex: | zkx, lies. the wife's pc tears through h264 encoding |
| [21:01:02] | Daviey: | i bet the windows based solution is still ffmpeg based :D |
| [21:01:02] | justinh: | "Thus XFS increases write performance and reduces file system fragmentation" according to Novell. ha! what would it be like on another fs I wonder? |
| [21:01:10] | zkx: | yeah well... it's not the OS that makes it fast :p |
| [21:01:19] | zkx: | mad cpu powah makes it faster :p |
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| [21:01:46] | Daviey: | justinh: Clearly you've never had ext3 fun, using it for myth |
| [21:01:56] | justinh: | oh I have |
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| [21:02:05] | Daviey: | inode ftl |
| [21:02:11] | XLV: | Daviey, iirc ext3 is slow on deleting large files |
| [21:02:11] | justinh: | luckily I had a backup & lost only one recording |
| [21:02:31] | justinh: | inode? |
| [21:02:31] | XLV: | are there other problems? |
| [21:02:39] | justinh: | Daviey: btw check the website |
| [21:02:54] | Daviey: | XLV: erm, we make it slow – with the "slow delete option, suitable for ext3" [sic] tickbox |
| [21:03:19] | directhex: | slow with massive cpu use, or slowER. pick one |
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| [21:05:51] | Andy_NL: | Hi guys |
| [21:06:22] | XLV: | so the choice is xfs, jfs or what? |
| [21:06:31] | jblack: | myth is the result of years of development by many hard working people, and what do I do? |
| [21:06:41] | jblack: | I record women skydiving in lingerie. |
| [21:07:02] | justinh: | and I go & buy a standalone DVR tomorrow :) |
| [21:07:35] | XLV: | i use ext3, but still i build the htpc, dont use it actively yet, so i dont mind the waiting of ext3 delete for now... and now that the tv is dead ( doesnt power on ), project goes behind |
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| [21:07:41] | justinh: | if it doesn't work out it'll go back with a 'fault' |
| [21:08:44] | directhex: | XLV, don't use JFS |
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| [21:09:15] | Andy_NL: | question: i've changes NIC's since ive been running Mythtv, and eth0 doesnt exist anymore, eth1 is now the only existing. MythTV still looks at eth0. How do I change that? |
| [21:10:03] | directhex: | mythtv doesn't look at interfaces per se, it looks at IPs |
| [21:10:21] | cesman: | what he said |
| [21:10:46] | Andy_NL: | MythTV does work, but I'm getting messages like: Failed to find network interface eth0 |
| [21:11:28] | XLV: | Andy_NL, samba or nfs bound to eth0? |
| [21:11:34] | Andy_NL: | and i have some unexplained behaviour on mythfe so i thought i fix this first |
| [21:11:43] | Andy_NL: | no, all runs on eth1 |
| [21:12:20] | Andy_NL: | it must be somewhere in the database |
| [21:15:19] | nasa: | Hi, has anyone played around with file types (using latest svn) — it doesn't seem to be executing the whole command (ie: "mplayer -playlist %s" is only showing up as mplayer <filename>) |
| [21:17:08] | nasa: | Hi, has anyone played around with file types (using latest svn) — it doesn't seem to be executing the whole command (ie: "mplayer -playlist %s" is only showing up as mplayer "filename") |
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| [21:18:21] | Andy_NL: | ah, I found it. It was a SIP setting. solved |
| [21:19:53] | directhex: | i need to learn asterisk |
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| [21:20:13] | jblack: | I use asterisk. It's very useful. |
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| [21:29:01] | Inssomniak: | anyone available to verify a bug for me? |
| [21:29:56] | Inssomniak: | in mythcommflag --rebuild incorrectly rebuilding seek tables? |
| [21:31:25] | HEP85: | Has somebody managed to get the MythPhone working? I can call the echo test but the sound is garbled |
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| [21:39:28] | dotCOMmie: | is it possible to have mythtv record FM just like it does tv? |
| [21:41:07] | directhex: | there was an unofficial plugin. dunno if it still works |
| [21:44:11] | justinh: | mythfm is long dead |
| [21:44:58] | justinh: | besides, since you have to schedule everything manually anyway why not just set up scripts / cron jobs to record from a line input? |
| [21:45:30] | dotCOMmie: | justinh: thats what I wanted to do but I dont want mythtv to schedule something at that time to ruin my radio recoding |
| [21:45:46] | justinh: | that's why mythfm was never made official |
| [21:45:59] | justinh: | it used its own scheduler |
| [21:46:08] | dotCOMmie: | ah, thats silly |
| [21:46:28] | justinh: | it's been said before but all somebody needed to do was make a new recording class.. that's most of the hard work done |
| [21:47:02] | justinh: | but no. for whatever reason the guy who did mythfm thought better of it, it stayed unofficial & died off |
| [21:47:24] | dotCOMmie: | Is there an easy (scriptable) way of telling myth to not use a tuner? |
| [21:47:25] | justinh: | whereas if the extra work had been done it might still have been around today. aw |
| [21:47:46] | justinh: | dotCOMmie: recording radio is a bit of a waste of a tuner IMHO |
| [21:47:58] | justinh: | well a PVR card I mean |
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| [21:48:07] | dotCOMmie: | justinh: I just want to record like 3 hours a month |
| [21:48:15] | justinh: | infact it's one of the few things a framegrabber is good for :) |
| [21:48:27] | justinh: | (those which do FM radio) |
| [21:49:53] | justinh: | and you know what? I just played some recordings that were giving me hassle & found the points where they glitched consistently. since starting the defrag, all seems better now. have to schedule a new filesystem on my recordings partition soon then |
| [21:50:29] | justinh: | directhex: that isn't to say the bufferring doesn't still need a rocket though |
| [21:51:03] | directhex: | justinh, does virgin1 work yet? |
| [21:51:09] | directhex: | justinh, don't say "who'd want it to?" |
| [21:51:19] | justinh: | virgin1? yeah between 6pm & 6am IIRC |
| [21:51:30] | justinh: | record X files regularly |
| [21:51:44] | directhex: | ISTR myth had epic fail issues with much of it, due to bitrate spikes |
| [21:51:58] | arschjucken: | justinh: qucik question, but mythtv does record radio via dvbs right ? |
| [21:51:58] | justinh: | ahh that's worked since the EPIA went byebyes |
| [21:52:06] | dotCOMmie: | are there cheap but decent FM tuners which work under linux? |
| [21:52:23] | directhex: | arschjucken, audio from dvb is recorded, yes |
| [21:52:31] | directhex: | arschjucken, dvb-t radio certainly works |
| [21:52:34] | justinh: | dotCOMmie: you know those 'ACME TV Tuner with FM' cards we're always swearing blind not to use? ;) |
| [21:52:51] | justinh: | they cost like $0.10 or something |
| [21:53:04] | arschjucken: | thanks directhex :) astra serves many radio stations, good to know |
| [21:53:05] | dotCOMmie: | do they work? |
| [21:53:08] | directhex: | justinh, i think i need to re-bench the pico-itx with the binary driver. via'll only bitch if i don't |
| [21:53:26] | dotCOMmie: | I dont want to spend $70 on another happauge and only use it for FM |
| [21:53:32] | justinh: | dotCOMmie: in linux? yeah |
| [21:54:00] | justinh: | there are even programs for recording FM radio using such things IIRC |
| [21:54:15] | ** directhex sends a horde of crazed badgers to hurt people ** | |
| [21:55:00] | justinh: | directhex: I didn't think unichrome was closed source. 'Different' but not closed |
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| [21:55:43] | directhex: | "VIA UniChrome Pro Driver Binary" |
| [21:55:58] | justinh: | if unichrome drivers work better than openchrome & it turns out they'd make my old frontend usable again I might just. I care about it worky, not how many newborns had to die to make it work |
| [21:56:48] | directhex: | i'll give you an update later |
| [21:57:14] | justinh: | hey though. bloody fragmentation being a problem. I'd never have suspected it |
| [21:57:35] | directhex: | XFS? |
| [21:57:39] | justinh: | aye |
| [21:57:45] | directhex: | full partition? |
| [21:58:14] | justinh: | no but very fragmented. like 450 files & 160000 fragments give or take a few |
| [21:58:50] | directhex: | defrag for justice? |
| [21:58:53] | justinh: | 79% full most of the time |
| [21:59:11] | justinh: | swot I'm doing now. it's much better now & the files that gave me jip earlier today seem fine |
| [21:59:35] | directhex: | 79% with very large files is enough to go past the "oh fuck" threshhold, really |
| [21:59:42] | justinh: | still though – other players spat them out just fine |
| [22:00:01] | directhex: | buffering |
| [22:00:11] | justinh: | rly? oh dear. might have to expedite that fs switchover then |
| [22:00:24] | justinh: | give jfs a spin |
| [22:00:44] | directhex: | jfs will eat your files |
| [22:01:12] | justinh: | eat as in its bad? or eat as in yum yum they'll be safe in its tum? :) |
| [22:01:28] | directhex: | is /lost+found safe? |
| [22:01:40] | directhex: | if you like rebuilding filenames manually it is, i suppose |
| [22:01:40] | justinh: | fecked if I know |
| [22:02:05] | justinh: | so.. reiser? will it dispose of the body itself too? |
| [22:02:16] | directhex: | i've suffered 2 catastrophic jfs failures in as many years, on my myth box |
| [22:03:46] | justinh: | so er.. are any linux filesystems free from builtin inadequacies that render them useless for mythtv? |
| [22:03:47] | directhex: | reiser is fine, except reiserfsck is prone to a) segfaulting and b) merging partitions togethrr for fun & profit |
| [22:04:42] | justinh: | been happy enough with xfs so far, til I found out how horrendously fragmented my recordings partition had got |
| [22:05:11] | directhex: | i think that's life with xfs. periodic defrags are recommended iirc |
| [22:07:11] | justinh: | I can't remember when I switched to it. coulda been a couple of years ago now |
| [22:07:20] | justinh: | and it's not been defragged.. ever |
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| [22:08:47] | directhex: | xfs can be defragged online, which is a nice feature compared to most linux FSes |
| [22:09:01] | nordle: | No one has mentioned ext2. Would that be reasonable? ext3 for the "system" data, but media partitions could be ext2. |
| [22:09:38] | directhex: | nordle, all the downsides of ext3, none of the plusses |
| [22:09:45] | nordle: | fair enough :) |
| [22:10:33] | justinh: | I'll just have to remember to keep on top of the fraggles |
| [22:11:24] | nordle: | ocfs? |
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| [22:12:44] | justinh: | a cluster of one 500GB disk. yay |
| [22:13:12] | nordle: | I've only ever used ext2/3 and reiser3. Reiser is the only one where Ive hosed a fs. Myth box running ext3 for 18mths, haven't noticed too much of a problem, been up to 95% full, not sure what % is fragmented though. |
| [22:14:01] | directhex: | gotta reboot with slowpc. wish me luck :( |
| [22:14:01] | DustyBin: | ext3 defrags itself? |
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| [22:14:23] | nordle: | good luck! |
| [22:14:29] | nordle: | doh |
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| [22:15:25] | nordle: | DustyBin: I vaguely remember that it does, over time, but it needs free space to be able to do it, so when you get about 90% it can't.....this may all be lies made up by my brain though.... |
| [22:15:36] | DustyBin: | ok |
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| [22:16:05] | DustyBin: | ive always used XFS for my video drive |
| [22:16:15] | nordle: | justinh: How do you know / monitor the % fragmentation? Just running fsck? |
| [22:16:16] | DustyBin: | i didnt realise XFS needs defragging until i read above |
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| [22:16:58] | BathoryQuorthon: | nobody use ext3 or what ? it's so not good for mythtv ? |
| [22:17:32] | nordle: | I use ext3, seems ok, I think... |
| [22:17:38] | Inssomniak: | I use ext3, works fine here |
| [22:17:40] | nordle: | wow: "Toshiba put HD-DVD out of its misery today. Reuters confirmed this afternoon that it will cease manufacturing HD-DVD equipment" |
| [22:18:04] | justinh: | nordle: just don't try to delete a lot of big files in one go if you've not enabled slow deletion |
| [22:18:15] | justinh: | a lot == few hundred gigs |
| [22:19:03] | nordle: | I was going to get a combi (hd-dvd+blu ray) drive....maybe not now... justinh: ok, I have enabled slow deletion, but only remove about 2–3G at anyone time :) |
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| [22:19:40] | justinh: | http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews . . . 184420080217 |
| [22:19:54] | BathoryQuorthon: | ok, because i am planning to build a myth box. But what are the advantages to use XFS over EXT3 ? EXT3 is commonly used by numerous distributions, so why not using it ? |
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| [22:20:41] | BathoryQuorthon: | sorry if my english is not that good ;) |
| [22:20:44] | nordle: | Amazing, sony actually winning a format war....maybe. |
| [22:21:15] | nordle: | What about all the studios that signed to hd-dvd though. |
| [22:21:40] | nordle: | Has anyone got a bluray drive running on linux and mythtv? |
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| [22:22:10] | iamlindoro_: | I *refuse* to answer that question for a second time in a day |
| [22:22:24] | iamlindoro_: | and instead encourage you to SEARCH THE WIKI GODDAMMIT |
| [22:22:45] | ** iamlindoro_ considers erasing the page since his effort writing it sent to waste anyway ** | |
| [22:22:47] | Inssomniak: | blueray is full of DRM may never see it in linux |
| [22:23:00] | iamlindoro_: | s/sent/went |
| [22:23:19] | iamlindoro_: | Inssomniak: ah, in that case, I'll erase my step-by-step guide to ripping and playing them |
| [22:23:26] | iamlindoro_: | since it's clearly impossible |
| [22:23:51] | Inssomniak: | you have to rip them first? |
| [22:24:10] | iamlindoro_: | currently, yes |
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| [22:24:55] | iamlindoro_: | there is a project to develop a libdvdcss equivalent, though, and it shouldn't be terribly difficult since AACS can already be defeated... |
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| [22:25:06] | Inssomniak: | Then Im wrong apoplgies, last I checked there was no way to play them back, if they can be ripped, they can be played eventually without ripping |
| [22:25:40] | iamlindoro_: | Has been possible to rip and play them for about a year now |
| [22:25:57] | iamlindoro_: | but it remains a pain in the ass |
| [22:25:58] | Inssomniak: | wheres your wiki link? |
| [22:26:18] | iamlindoro_: | just go to the wiki and search any of the terms you think might be related to it |
| [22:26:25] | iamlindoro_: | since they all lead to the same page |
| [22:27:34] | Newbuntu2: | I'm looking for a recent how-to/step by step guide to setting up a hauppauge 500 on my ubutu 7.10 box (the most recent I found is for 5.10). Anyone have any links/recommendations? |
| [22:27:36] | Inssomniak: | only thing I dont like about blueray is that if the studio so chooses they can force a connection to the internet to verify if the disk is real |
| [22:27:48] | Inssomniak: | or monitor your watching habits |
| [22:27:59] | Inssomniak: | or any other privacy prodding thing they want to do with it |
| [22:28:42] | sid: | A good capture card, for HD? |
| [22:29:22] | iamlindoro_: | a sentence fragment |
| [22:29:25] | iamlindoro_: | becomes Haiku |
| [22:29:31] | iamlindoro_: | Wheee, poetry is fun! |
| [22:29:57] | sid: | What is a good HD capture card, for my GNU/Linux system, to use with MythTV? |
| [22:30:00] | Inssomniak: | is there such a thing for comsumer use? HD capture? I hear hauppauge is coming out with one |
| [22:30:17] | zkx: | of course there is |
| [22:30:20] | iamlindoro_: | depends on where you live |
| [22:30:39] | iamlindoro_: | Hauppauge is coming out with component capture, but there have been DVB and ATSC capture cards forever |
| [22:30:48] | zkx: | indeed |
| [22:31:23] | iamlindoro_: | so this is the part where you say where you live, and then we suggest a card |
| [22:31:44] | Inssomniak: | oh yea of course there are those, but those are tuners, not so much capture cards as in analog component |
| [22:32:17] | iamlindoro_: | Inssomniak: They're *all* capture cards... |
| [22:32:33] | Inssomniak: | to each his own... |
| [22:33:42] | ** iamlindoro_ figures sid won't say where he lives, what with the connecting via TOR and all. ** | |
| [22:34:27] | iamlindoro_: | Just think of the anonymity lost when someone knows what country you live in! |
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| [22:35:50] | Cackette: | i'm almost finished w/ my HTPC =) |
| [22:36:00] | Cackette: | ordered my 2nd tuner card yesterday, picking up the HD today |
| [22:36:09] | jams: | Cackette- no your not..you just think you are |
| [22:36:11] | Cackette: | then it'll be completely functional |
| [22:36:19] | Cackette: | how so |
| [22:36:27] | jams: | they are never finished |
| [22:36:36] | Cackette: | lol |
| [22:36:38] | Cackette: | ok |
| [22:36:57] | Cackette: | it works right now, but only on HD channels and only 40GB HD |
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| [22:37:55] | justinh: | 40GB won't take long to defrag. that's gotta be a big plus |
| [22:37:59] | Cackette: | ordered this http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116625 yesterday for regular channels |
| [22:38:05] | Cackette: | i'm getting a 320GB today |
| [22:38:25] | iamlindoro_: | Reminds me of the first HD Tivos... Up to 8 hours of HD recording! |
| [22:38:32] | iamlindoro_: | nice! |
| [22:38:48] | nordle: | iamlindoro_: A great wiki page on hd formats, really useful! I was just asking in here to see if there were any personal stories of trials and tribulations, but I guess given the current state of play thats unlikely. I guess I'll save myself £150 and not bother getting the drive, maybe if one format does emerge dominent this will encourage developemnts elsewhere....maybe... |
| [22:38:49] | justinh: | I'll have to refresh my memory on how to do crontab stuff tomorrow, get a fortnightly defrag arranged |
| [22:38:49] | Cackette: | thats the right pvr-150, right? |
| [22:39:04] | Cackette: | newegg has like 8 different version of it |
| [22:39:08] | sid: | Is it possible to make a mythtv box that can capture HDTV? |
| [22:39:13] | sid: | or only SDTV works? |
| [22:39:14] | Cackette: | yes |
| [22:39:17] | Cackette: | both |
| [22:39:22] | sid: | What is a good HDTV capture card to get? |
| [22:39:25] | iamlindoro_: | nordle: It's a pain in the ass, but certainly doable right now... actually, it's rather a fun weekend project, but you have to be mildly masochistic :) |
| [22:39:26] | justinh: | sid: capture HDTV? or just record it? |
| [22:39:27] | Cackette: | pcHDTV 5500 |
| [22:39:39] | sid: | justinh: both |
| [22:39:51] | Cackette: | whats so hard about it iamlindoro |
| [22:39:55] | justinh: | capture kind of implies putting HDMI or component into it – which doesn't exist yet in a form you can buy in shops (but soon yay) |
| [22:39:55] | Cackette: | i have mine setup to HD |
| [22:40:15] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: nordle and I aren't talking about whatever it is you're talking about |
| [22:40:44] | Cackette: | oh |
| [22:40:47] | justinh: | you'll soon be able to capture HD in component, encode to h.264 in hardware & stuff down USB. Made by Hauppauge & yes there will be linux drivers for it |
| [22:41:00] | Daviey: | hah |
| [22:41:15] | justinh: | Daviey: seen the bad news yet? |
| [22:41:58] | Daviey: | no |
| [22:42:00] | Daviey: | ? |
| [22:42:31] | Daviey: | justinh's Licence of the week is non-free? |
| [22:42:32] | Daviey: | :P |
| [22:43:45] | justinh: | no, more that everything I've done is stopping where it is |
| [22:43:55] | Daviey: | huh? |
| [22:44:02] | Daviey: | *everything*? |
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| [22:44:14] | justinh: | did I say 'some'? No. I said everything |
| [22:44:16] | Daviey: | all themes, not just the non-popular? |
| [22:44:43] | justinh: | it was never the non-popular |
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| [22:46:10] | Daviey: | ahh well, i don't know if i should said well done for what you have done – or kick you in the nuts next time i see you |
| [22:46:29] | Daviey: | ahh well, i'll do both – well done for the ones up till now. |
| [22:47:20] | justinh: | I hate them. I've let mythtv take up way more of my time than is good for me so it's time to have a break |
| [22:47:23] | sid: | justinh: Is there an ETA for that happaugge card? |
| [22:47:29] | justinh: | sid: May I think |
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| [22:48:24] | justinh: | Daviey: they're all there. anybody can pick them up & do what they want with them |
| [22:48:52] | Daviey: | justinh: good to have a break when you need it |
| [22:50:22] | justinh: | chances are when more mythui code is in place I'll be as bitterly disappointed with the core themes again... |
| [22:50:30] | ** jamesd wonders if you have good reception of 20 or so digital tv channels... does basic cable give you anything more than 150 more choices of mostly crap and a $50 a month bill... is picture quality better? ** | |
| [22:51:09] | justinh: | if I'm still using mythtv then. I'll frankly be astounded if the freeview pvr we're getting tomorrow is any good but hey |
| [22:51:31] | justinh: | we'll see..... |
| [22:52:27] | robbins876_: | For some reason, mythvideo isn't adding my new videos to the database |
| [22:52:30] | robbins876_: | any help? |
| [22:52:31] | Daviey: | justinh: erm, where are you getting a freeview pvr? |
| [22:52:45] | justinh: | Agros |
| [22:53:03] | justinh: | SWMBO is picking it up tomorrow |
| [22:54:09] | robbins876_: | anyone? |
| [22:55:14] | Daviey: | "video manager"? |
| [22:55:17] | robbins876_: | yeah |
| [22:55:20] | robbins876_: | it doesn't add them |
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| [22:55:25] | justinh: | permissions? |
| [22:55:26] | robbins876_: | usually i just get out and go back in |
| [22:55:36] | robbins876_: | justinh, ahhh, good call |
| [22:56:03] | justinh: | they really should make IRC harder to join ;) |
| [22:56:08] | robbins876_: | for sure |
| [22:56:23] | robbins876_: | it's always the simplest things that get over looked |
| [22:56:44] | justinh: | wheeee actual 3940, ideal 443, fragmentation factor 88.76%. and to think this might've saved mythtv from the mrs' cosh |
| [22:57:34] | justinh: | I only agreed to the dog on a trial basis, mind you. look what happened there |
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| [22:59:51] | doobeh: | Are there any minimalist distros focusing on just a head-end, front-end only player for myth? |
| [23:00:09] | justinh: | minimyth, mostly for epia junk |
| [23:00:20] | doobeh: | thanks justin |
| [23:00:31] | justinh: | works well when it works |
| [23:00:39] | doobeh: | :) |
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| [23:02:05] | fuxxy_: | I son't see it listed in the wiki, is the AVerTV Hybrid Ultra USB supported by linux that anyone knows? |
| [23:02:46] | justinh: | doubt it. if it's not in the linuxtv.org wikiwiki forget all about it |
| [23:03:03] | justinh: | and fwiw, mythtv 0.20.x doesn't really like hybrid tuners |
| [23:03:42] | justinh: | as in it can't stop itself trying to use analogue & digital parts of a hybrid at the same time |
| [23:03:55] | fuxxy_: | mmhmm |
| [23:04:24] | justinh: | 0.21 will have input groups though, so you can tell it 2 inputs are on the same card, so it can't try to use both at once |
| [23:04:43] | fuxxy_: | spiffy |
| [23:04:49] | fuxxy_: | how far is 0.21 from stable? |
| [23:05:09] | justinh: | depends if it has code I checked in or not :P |
| [23:05:28] | fuxxy_: | :) |
| [23:05:41] | justinh: | prolly more than 0.20.x put it that way. but YMMV |
| [23:05:44] | ** fuxxy_ makes sure to doublecheck code commented by justinh ** | |
| [23:06:02] | justinh: | comments? roflmfao |
| [23:06:26] | cesman: | fuxxy_: is stable |
| [23:06:32] | fuxxy_: | hmmmm |
| [23:06:32] | justinh: | my oloh stats make scary reading |
| [23:06:44] | cesman: | if you want to make it more stable, get the code and provide feedback |
| [23:07:18] | justinh: | I want to make it play back fragmented files better :) |
| [23:07:36] | justinh: | might figure it out sometime |
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| [23:14:32] | robbins876_: | is there a new imdb.pl because the one i have doesn't seem to be pulling up anything |
| [23:18:20] | robbins876_: | anyone know? |
| [23:19:42] | robbins876_: | and if i manually add the IMDB number it renames the file back to its original file name |
| [23:20:29] | robbins876_: | so...it's totally broken, my friend. |
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| [23:21:41] | DustyBin: | DVD players what upscale <-- is this a waste of time ? |
| [23:21:59] | DustyBin: | if your TV has quality inbuilt processor, shouldnt one use that instead? |
| [23:22:05] | nordle: | justinh: Not sure how your going about it, but this perl script works on any fs type to see how defragged it is http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3111409- . . . html#3111409 and Con's defrag script seems to work well: http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/defrag/defrag-0.06/ Davl gives a nice(ish) gtk based look at ext2/3 systems (not applicable in this case). http://sourceforge.net/projects/davl/ |
| [23:25:28] | clever: | i use filefrag and sort |
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| [23:25:48] | robbins876_: | anyone know? |
| [23:25:50] | clever: | ive made a single line command which shows the 10 most fragmented files |
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| [23:32:40] | DustyBin: | good read |
| [23:32:43] | DustyBin: | http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=709239 |
| [23:35:09] | hadees: | Is it illegal to prove someone with a program that will scrape information form another site? I mean the imdb script does it in mythvideo so I would think it might be okay. Basically I have been writing a scraper for food.com on my own because I archive a few of their shows mainly Good Eats and I wanted to store the recipes. Now that Myth Recipe thought is being revived I was thinking of contacting the new Dev and seeing if he w |
| [23:35:09] | hadees: | ould be interested in using the script |
| [23:35:39] | hadees: | that way if you were recording a show off Food Network you could import the recipes |
| [23:36:50] | hadees: | i need to modify it slightly since it currently is hard coded for the shows but doing some tests i am pretty sure i could reliably look up the recipes based on the episode title |
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| [23:39:56] | DustyBin: | can HD-DVD play discs at the same resolutions as blue-ray and vice versa ? |
| [23:40:24] | iamlindoro_: | yes, they're both 1080p and identical codecs |
| [23:40:44] | DustyBin: | aye ok |
| [23:40:46] | iamlindoro_: | the only things that differ are container formats and disc capacity |
| [23:41:10] | DustyBin: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD |
| [23:41:17] | DustyBin: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc |
| [23:42:16] | DustyBin: | can one put a Blue-ray disc into a Blue-ray player and watch a film without that player connected to the internet? |
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| [23:42:32] | kisak: | hi folks |
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| [23:42:46] | iamlindoro_: | That I can't tell you, have never used a standalone blu-ray device, all my blu-ray movies get put on the mythbox |
| [23:43:06] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Got the URL to your wiki entry on playing those handy ? |
| [23:43:16] | DustyBin: | "The Blu-ray Disc format employs several layers of Digital rights management." |
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| [23:43:26] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Blu-ray |
| [23:43:35] | ** GreyFoxx now needs to learn how to play bluray stuff and start encoding his DVD's to high quality H264 ** | |
| [23:43:57] | kisak: | I'm one of those guys who puts too much faith in mythcommflag and removes commercials commpletely, problem is that after the first cutpoint the seeking is messed up, is there a way to rebuild the seek table? |
| [23:44:04] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: It's a pain in the butt or a fun project depending on how you look at it :) |
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| [23:44:33] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: well for now I'm mostly concerned about reencoding to H 264, otherwise I'll leave them as vob's of the main title |
| [23:44:43] | GreyFoxx: | but blu-ray will be coming after that |
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| [23:45:16] | GreyFoxx: | 700meg xvids of my DVD's are no longer worthy :) |
| [23:45:52] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: I mostly rip DVDs with Handbrake on Mac OS X to h.264 (I understand to some that's blasphemy) |
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| [23:46:07] | waini: | hi |
| [23:46:12] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: they are fools :) |
| [23:46:17] | GreyFoxx: | I prefer the best tool for the job |
| [23:46:31] | GreyFoxx: | alll my current DVD's were ripped under windows as the encoders were MUCH faster |
| [23:46:34] | DustyBin: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264 |
| [23:46:38] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: It's a great tool but to each his own of course |
| [23:46:45] | kisak: | anybody? |
| [23:46:50] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I'll check handbrake out on my mac mini |
| [23:46:52] | waini: | someone here using sasc-ng? |
| [23:47:05] | iamlindoro_: | waini: IT's off-limits talk in this room |
| [23:47:06] | GreyFoxx: | waini: sasc: stuff isn't really allowed in here |
| [23:47:22] | DustyBin: | GreyFoxx: is H.264 designed for ripping HD content? |
| [23:47:36] | GreyFoxx: | DustyBin: Not HD specific no |
| [23:47:36] | kisak: | is there a utility to rebuild the seek thing for mpeg2 recordings? |
| [23:47:47] | GreyFoxx: | just a really good quality codec |
| [23:47:51] | DustyBin: | aye ok |
| [23:47:51] | waini: | i only asked |
| [23:47:57] | GreyFoxx: | and is the standard for HDTV videos |
| [23:48:12] | GreyFoxx: | kisak: mythcommflag has some commandline flags for that |
| [23:48:25] | waini: | or is the word already blacklitet? |
| [23:48:29] | waini: | blacklistet |
| [23:48:46] | iamlindoro_: | waini: Any discussion of it in this room is against channel rules |
| [23:48:48] | DustyBin: | GreyFoxx: if i ripped a SD DVD disc with the H.264 encoder, how much percentage of space would i save roughly? |
| [23:48:54] | iamlindoro_: | 40% |
| [23:48:58] | GreyFoxx: | DustyBin: No idea really |
| [23:48:58] | DustyBin: | nice |
| [23:49:13] | iamlindoro_: | or rip into the same amount of space and substantially better quality |
| [23:49:19] | GreyFoxx: | I'm looking to preserve visual quality more than disk space |
| [23:49:20] | DustyBin: | I bet the human eye couldnt even notice a difference from the original and the ripped H.264 version |
| [23:49:54] | waini: | i do not want to discuss about |
| [23:49:57] | ** GreyFoxx wodners what sorta encoding framerate I'll get off this thing ** | |
| [23:50:36] | kisak: | I know that low complexity h264 is used for iPods |
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| [23:51:09] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: I tend to get about slightly better than real-time per pass (so real time x 2 overall) on 1500 Kbit DVD-> h.264 on my iMac/handbrake |
| [23:51:23] | iamlindoro_: | er DVD-> 1500 kbit h.264 |
| [23:52:16] | DustyBin: | I want my films to be free of: Advanced Access Content System, BD+, BD-ROM Mark |
| [23:52:36] | iamlindoro_: | Well AACS is defeatable now, I expect BD+ has a few months left in it |
| [23:52:39] | DustyBin: | why should i have to put up with that with a film i own |
| [23:52:47] | iamlindoro_: | but I think that's coming and coming soon |
| [23:52:55] | DustyBin: | piracy will be coming soon for me |
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| [23:53:57] | DustyBin: | "was developed by Cryptography Research Inc. and is based on their concept of Self-Protecting Digital Content.[57] BD+ is effectively a small virtual machine embedded in authorized players. It allows content providers to include executable programs on Blu-ray Discs." |
| [23:54:01] | iamlindoro_: | Slysoft defeated BD+ with AnyDVD HD, but the drawbacks are far too painful so it's not a real defeat |
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| [23:54:32] | iamlindoro_: | as you had to play the ripped content on a particular version of PowerDVD and it still phoned home to Slysoft... not a good solution, so we keep waiting :) |
| [23:54:33] | DustyBin: | no matter what system they use, it will be defeated |
| [23:54:47] | iamlindoro_: | very true, matter of time |
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| [23:55:10] | iamlindoro_: | The galling part is that very very few of us want to share content, I just want to watch it on my mythbox. |
| [23:55:14] | directhex: | heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's johnny! |
| [23:56:05] | DustyBin: | i want to be able to play the disc on my computer, dvd player and where ever i want |
| [23:56:44] | DustyBin: | if the blue-ray format doesnt support that i will use another format what does, even if it means ripping and pirating |
| [23:57:24] | iamlindoro_: | I (thankfully) don't own any BD+ disks right now, but they're definitely coming.. in the meantime, since they just go into MythVideo ayway, I'm relishing picking up a big stack of HD-DVDs as they're going out of stock |
| [23:58:17] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Yeah, I have no intention or desire to share it. I jsut wanna watch it when, where and how I want |
| [23:58:29] | iamlindoro_: | DeepDiscount has them as low as $11 right now, so I may pick up a handful ofanything that looks good |
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