Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, February 15th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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waini:

thats an idea

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waini:

but not the 'good' way

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blackest:

probably a lousy one vm graphics are usually terrible

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justinh:

http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive . . . 16810214.gif – sums up what I think about virtualisation

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blackest:

although vmwares 3d support is good enough to run chicken invaders

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waini:

0.21 is less than 3 month avay?

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waini:

away

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justinh:

waini: hopefully way less than 3 months away

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waini:

but in 2008 it shuld be

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waini:

^^

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justinh:

should blimmin well hope so

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justinh:

would happen faster if there were more contributors

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directhex:

just installed trunk on my backend. it seems much much more responsive than 0.20

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waini:

ok thats it – it looks like i have to live without advanced epg

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blackest:

wonder how far away the documentation for 0.21 are

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fryfrog:

waini: there is a 0.21-fixes branch now, eventually that will be 0.21

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justinh:

advanced epg?

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fryfrog:

i mean, if you wanted to go that far

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mcquaid:

ok a simple mysql check fix it

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waini:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/13224 – thats what i need

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mcquaid:

3 months? So I guess that mentioning of before march slipped?

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justinh:

waini: ahhh

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blackest:

you mean the really nice flash streaming from mythweb

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mcquaid:

just curious, as I was thinking on grabbing svn as I thought it was very soon to release anyway

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justinh:

flash is not really nice

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mcquaid:

that's one of things I'm eager to try, the flash streaming

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waini:

to fix my problem with 0.20 could be an idea

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justinh:

in any case, there has been no announcement of even a possible release date. not even an official hint

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blackest:

no but the ability to stream your recordings to any browser without especially doing anything for myth is good

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justinh:

waini: looking at that ticket I doubt it'd be easy to backport it

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mcquaid:

justinh, now when you say flash is not really nice, do you mean flash in general (as we all know it's issues) or do you mean the functionality of mythweb using flash?

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waini:

that should work without any problems with other 0.20

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justinh:

mcquaid: flash is just horrible in general

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waini:

but there is a patchfile for the 0.20 version

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blackest:

generally the flash works quite well in fact i've even done things like start a recording and then viewing the recording slightly after starting it

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directhex:

Internal won't play a mp4 file i made, even though mplayer, vlc, and ffplay are all happy :/

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waini:

http://mythtv.linux-dude.de/

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waini:

(german)

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mcquaid:

yes i agree, esp the linux version. but really what else is up for the task of streaming video within a browser?

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justinh:

directhex: last ffmpeg sync was quite a while ago now

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directhex:

justinh, how old do you think my ffmpeg is?

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blackest:

vlc

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mcquaid:

and can't the mythweb stream to a different external player and not use flv? or is it flv only at the current time?

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justinh:

mcquaid: right now it uses ffmpeg, so in theory you could use any format ffmpeg supports

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waini:

is it pssible to "replace" only the self-build backend

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waini:

?

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mcquaid:

yes but how it sets up the stream. can one choose 'use external player' and then it streams in another format to avoid some of the flash issues?

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justinh:

mcquaid: no

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mcquaid:

ok

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blackest:

if mythweb created an m3u file then vlc could replace the flash player

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justinh:

mcquaid: basically the webpage starts an ffmpeg process with a predefined set of parameters you can't change from the webpage

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mcquaid:

even though I understand some criticisms of flash, it's still pretty cool for things like this so I wouldn't want them to abandon flash player development in favour of m3u streams

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mcquaid:

yes i read you have to change some values in the cfg files for the bitrate...

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mcquaid:

or actually someone told me that here

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waini:

has anyone a answer to my question?

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justinh:

it hasn't had any attention since it first appeared really

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blackest:

iamlindoro showed me a nice command line for ffmpeg which started with an mpeg.ts file and finished up with an xvid file that streamed realtime as it was encoding

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mcquaid:

oh, that's too bad

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justinh:

waini: what do you mean by " is it pssible to "replace" only the self-build backend" ?

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blackest:

waini i thought we said no because the protocol changes regularly and so if your builds are not the same versions it breaks

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mcquaid:

if one cancels a stream prior to ffmepg finishing the transcoding, does it stop transcoding on the backend?

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justinh:

mcquaid: in theory it does

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mcquaid:

ok

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blackest:

it should do it only requires q on the command line to stop

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justinh:

the big goal is apparently (one day) to make the backend transcode on the fly to suit whatever the device asking for the content wants

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mcquaid:

i was excited to play around with this. I think having access to tv/vids on the go is kind of cool. didn't know development slowed on it

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waini:

i want to build mythbakend (with applyed patch) and replace it with the already installes 0.20 version

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mcquaid:

btw is it only tv, or what one has available in their video dirs as well?

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waini:

(build 0.20 – not svn-backend)

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waini:

is that possible?

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justinh:

waini: you mean you want to build a new 0.20 with the patch to replace the package you have installed already? yeah that's possible

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blackest:

video works in a different way

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directhex:

you can even build a patched package

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blackest:

it plays from the webpage if the access is ok

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mcquaid:

if the access is ok?

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blackest:

but its not modifying anything

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waini:

thts what i want

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mcquaid:

well, it still transcodes with ffmpeg no?

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blackest:

well both the backend and the webserver need to see the video files

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mcquaid:

ah

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waini:

i have only to replace the backend binary?

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justinh:

waini: it'd have to be _exactly_ the same version though

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justinh:

mythweb's mythvideo bit will not invoke ffmpeg to stream your videos, no

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justinh:

if the access rights are right, you'll get the full file over http

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justinh:

only ever used the streaming stuff twice. both times to show off & make MCE users I work with look sick with envy

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justinh:

don't see what the fuss is about personally. I like my video good quality in fullscreen thanks

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justinh:

a generation growing up thinking Youtube video is acceptable might feel different though :-\

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blackest:

it does look good nearly full screen in the browser window

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blackest:

and its as good quality as it comes

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justinh:

roflmao

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blackest:

not pixally youtube quality

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justinh:

it's as good as 320x240 512kbit mpeg4 comes yeah you're right

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justinh:

it's watchable, but not what I'd sit down & spend an hour in front of

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blackest:

my videos are all xvid and they look as good playing over my lan as from any network share

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blackest:

i'm refering to videos not the flash

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justinh:

blackest: well yeah duh. not over a home broadband connection though eh

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justinh:

heheh isn't this ironic? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/316559

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mcquaid:

well flash supports fullscreen now in linux. is that option clickable in the flash player?

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justinh:

mcquaid: yeah but low bitrate video looks gash fullscreen

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blackest:

no well the flash is ok for over the net video

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mcquaid:

even though I've hardly seen any player do fullscreen hardware accelerated properly

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mcquaid:

any flash player...

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directhex:

justinh, There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page.

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justinh:

delete the dot :)

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directhex:

"editing a simple configuration file"

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directhex:

someone's never looked at myth's code before :x

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justinh:

the irony of using mythtv to book cinema tickets ;)

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justinh:

asking for dev help is a first though. be interesting to see how it turns out

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blackest:

it seems kinda pointless

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justinh:

and I hope to hell they pay heed to the suggestions of folks on the -dev list. building it all into the code isn't a great idea IMHO. webpages change. easier to update one perl script than recompile don't you think?

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jams:

as lonag as it's not perl I agree

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directhex:

recompiling is cool! just look at lirc"

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directhex:

!

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justinh:

only pervs like me don't mind recompiling at the drop of a hat

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directhex:

myth has too much perl an' stuff. i think what it really needs is haskell bindings!

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justinh:

and I also hope they dont read too much into the 'like mythweather' part ;) as in the setup screens

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jams:

haha yeah i thought that as well

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directhex:

mythweather isn't stupid, it's advanced!

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justinh:

directhex: have you experienced the revamped mythweather yet?

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directhex:

no. is it worth going all the way downstairs?

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jams:

its a BIG step backwords

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jams:

backwards

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justinh:

do you have all night to figure it out?

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directhex:

oh, epic win for myth usability?

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justinh:

something like that

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directhex:

lovely

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blackest:

mythweather is pretty pointless too

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jams:

the fact you can't switch locations on the fly really hurts

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justinh:

gotta love all the mythtv SoC work eh

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jams:

blackest- why is it pointless, I found the old version very useful

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blackest:

well there is this for example http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/

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justinh:

blackest: which the new mythweather can access

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blackest:

but dont you think its a lot of work just to replace that url and and a web browser

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justinh:

I think the problem all stemmed from there not being one single scrapable site that could be used for everywhere in the world without breaking usage T&Cs

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justinh:

blackest: web browsers on TV suck dogs

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directhex:

so do dogs

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justinh:

and you can't use the excuse that HDTVs have higher res so you can get away with smaller fonts either. small fonts are still small fonts. they may very well appear very clear onscreen but can you read them from your comfy chair without opera glasses?

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blackest:

hmm teletext maybe does that still work

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justinh:

teletext? haha

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directhex:

justinh, yes! i got used to it, playing Dead Rising with its tiny text

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justinh:

so 1970s. so dead when analogue is switched off

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waini:

a short question

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justinh:

blackest: red button on freeview, but that's a PITA to get around to choose your own area

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waini:

i have installed apt-get sources mythtv on an other system (want to build mythbackend on ubuntu)

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justinh:

waini: apt-get build-dep mythtv

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blackest:

well there are your normal tv transmissions which presumably still reach your tv

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justinh:

blackest: normal? as in analogue? they're going soon

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waini:

after that

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directhex:

dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot

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waini:

i have to apply the ubuntu diff files?

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justinh:

what ubuntu diff files?

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directhex:

waini, already done by the apt-get source

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waini:

ok

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directhex:

justinh, the .diff.gz file that comes in a debian source package triumvirate

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justinh:

wonder wth they change then

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alexvd_:

hi getting an error on the backend never seen before. i searched user list and soemone posted but now replies DVBSignalMonitor(0)::constructor(3,Warning, can not measure Signal Strength): Remote I/O error

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blackest:

anyway no point arguing mythweathers merits someone wants to do it so it happens

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cafuego:

justinh: Normally install paths, fixes, docs...

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justinh:

ah

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cafuego:

initscripts

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directhex:

justinh, take a look. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multive . . . tu10.diff.gz

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jams:

blackest- lets just saw i found it's simplicity to of great value. And didn't have to worry about popup or flash ad's or anything else that wasn't weather releated.

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cafuego:

All that extra stuff is added to a vanilla tarball via the patches.

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waini:

@directthex: but i have to go into mythtv – directory before dpkg-buildpackage?

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directhex:

yes

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cafuego:

waini: Of course, not changing anything in the source or build rules makes compiling it a completely useless exercise.

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justinh:

waini: don't forget to apply the patch

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waini:

thats clear

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waini:

but thanks

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cafuego:

... and modify the version in debian/changelog, or it'll try to reinstall the repo version.

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directhex:

yeah, that too

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waini:

where i could do that?

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directhex:

modify debian/changelog and just stick +waini1 onto the version number at the top

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blackest:

ok i am not going to argue it anymore at least its a plugin and not a core feature

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cafuego:

cd mythtv-0.20.2; sed -i "s/0.20.2–0ubuntu10/0.20.2–1ubuntu10/" debian/changelog

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cafuego:

and then fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b

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justinh:

wonder what plugin ideas people have had that aren't totally crazy like the ones in the wishlists

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cafuego:

XML support. Mythtv needs xml.

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justinh:

mythtv has thousands of lines of xml

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cafuego:

what!!!

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justinh:

all supported

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justinh:

how do you think themes work?

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** cafuego knows. **

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cafuego:

Just trolling.

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justinh:

heh. just rising to the bait, as always

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blackest:

myth needs a good step by step guide how to setup the storage so it looks the same and is accessable from any front or backend

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justinh:

blackest: why not write one?

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justinh:

it's pretty damn easy anyway

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blackest:

coz i am to blinkin thick to get it right on my systems

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cafuego:

myth needs to be able tyo speak to my Bang & Olufsen gear

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fryfrog:

blackest: easy

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justinh:

export a share. mount it to the same place on every other box

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justinh:

bada. bing!

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fryfrog:

just use the same dir on all systems

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fryfrog:

for example, i mount my raid5 array in "/data" and NFS share it. On each of my systems, it is mounted as /data

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fryfrog:

so... uniformity, accross all systems!

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fryfrog:

achieved!

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cafuego:

same here, with /srv/mythtv

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justinh:

eventually music, video & photos might be done with upnp, so there might be no more need to worry about it by then

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fryfrog:

i have in mine, like "/data/recordings" and "/data/videos" and "/data/music" (since I use my array for things besides myth)

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justinh:

might/probably will eventually

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blackest:

well its a common problem that a few paragraphs on the mythwiki would solve

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justinh:

like one day myth might just treat everything as media, no music, no video.. just media

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justinh:

who knows..

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justinh:

blackest: nobody gives a fuck, basically

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justinh:

if anybody did, there'd already be a page there

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justinh:

IIRC that's all about to change soon anyway because videos are getting (have got?) their own storage group in readiness to be streamed

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directhex:

hm. GreyFoxx, i think the upnp changes in trunk broke an awful lot of things to get the 360 kinda working ish

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justinh:

work on that's probably stalled though, what with the small matter of an impending release or something

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blackest:

well i guess i could figure it out if i set some time aside to do it, but then there are so many other things that i have to do

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justinh:

blackest: what's there to figure out? you just been told

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blackest:

the principle but not the detail

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justinh:

1. export the stuff. 2. mount the exported stuff dir to the same path on all machines. job done

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fryfrog:

blackest: "mkdir /data && mount /dev/md/0 /data && nano -w /etc/exports"

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justinh:

I'd leave the precise 'how' (i.e. share method) to the induh-vidual

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justinh:

and everybody has their own definition of a 'good' naming style ;)

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justinh:

the thing about wikis is that they're for users to contribute to, too. good job some do I think

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justinh:

now me, yeah I could spend hour after hour putting stuff in the wiki. if I cared. me and mostly everybody else

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blackest:

ok lets see if i can get it right

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fryfrog:

though, you'll need to tweak that to your own setup :)

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fryfrog:

and on the client, you'll have to nfs mount it all (put it in /etc/fstab and such)

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fryfrog:

run nfs daemon on server, portmap on client and server i think

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justinh:

some people (for some perverse reason) prefer samba too. yum

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justinh:

those folks might not have a choice though – not all networked disk boxes out there can use NFS

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iamlindoro_:

or hey, you might even, and I'm just throwing a crazy idea out here, google "<mydistro> nfs howto"

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: blasphemer!!!!!!!!!!!!

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directhex:

on ubuntu it's hard :(

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directhex:

you have to, like, tick a box! :o

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justinh:

just out of curiosity I'm looking at my local rip-off emporia for PC stuff.. there are actually standalone torrent downloading boxes !

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: You're right... much quicker to ask us to detail each step, not to mention the goodwill you gain by..um... reaching out the the community. ;)

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directhex:

bleh, i can't seem to make a .mp4 file that plays on the ps3

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justinh:

if it was a windows pvr, we could embed an activex control into the page to do it for them :D

[01:12:15]

justinh:

"to share all your media, click the pwnmenow! button"

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blackest:

well you probably could just do a bash script that could do it

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blackest:

just imagine you could pass a link to that out and no more questions about setting up exports

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justinh:

blackest: a supreme example of why one size does not fit all, and how waiting for the video storage group & streaming (and maybe ultimately upnp) to solve it is best IMHO

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justinh:

blackest: handing out scripts that people give root privileges to? there've been worse ideas but...

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blackest:

surely synaptic does the same thing

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justinh:

and fwiw we're still having to pick up the pieces of mysql snafus on ubuntu

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justinh:

alright far less than 12 months ago but still...

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blackest:

would that have anything to do with myth setting cards up on ip addresses instead of system name and thinking they are remote ?

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

and if you'd like to see 'hostname' fields renamed to 'ip address' please feel free to bring it up on the -dev list. you'll soon regret it ;)

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blackest:

no its only a small problem replacing the ip address with the hostname cures it

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justinh:

I'd much sooner work on other stuff than have a scrap over how best to rejig all that

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blackest:

like mythweather ;)

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justinh:

like anything els

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justinh:

*else

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justinh:

let that be some other mug's battle I say

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blackest:

well distro versions don't have that particular problem yet

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blackest:

I wonder what version is going into hardy

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directhex:

a svn snapshot

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orkid:

is there a way to may choppy avi playing over samba less choppy? is there a buffer value that can be set in the mount command options or something similar ?

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orkid:

(mythvideo)

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directhex:

currently it's 0.21-fixes r15967

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blackest:

has that got the streaming flash in mythweb ?

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justinh:

mythweb 2.0? :P

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directhex:

yes

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directhex:

you need ffmpeg from medibuntu though

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justinh:

heheh not a single NAS box with NFS for under £70

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justinh:

I think I might have a use for my old epia PoS

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blackest:

i bet april will be fun in here

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justinh:

it's never fun in here ffs

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blackest:

i dont know, it makes me laugh sometimes

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blackest:

at least itts not as manic as #ubuntu

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justinh:

how the hell they all manage to stay on-message with the caring shit is beyond me

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blackest:

irc does not work well with over a 1000 people all trying to ask questions

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mikeones:

If you had 3 750gb drives, for mythtv/movies, would you raid them together or just keep the 3 drives seprate/

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justinh:

separate

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mikeones:

I am leaning towards that also

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justinh:

personally though I'd more likely delete a lot & stick with one disk

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ServerSage:

Personally, I RAIDed my 4x400GB drives simply to use for other things like backups.

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mcquaid:

so how usable is svn at this point? thinking on switching today

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justinh:

there's going to come a point eventually when some people simply have more 'stuff' than any reasonable browsing paradigm can handle. some would say we're already at that point

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directhex:

mcquaid, upnp is broken compared to 0.20.2 IMHO

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justinh:

I thought upnp would be better not worse – considering it doesn't work with anything I've got at home

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mcquaid:

i don't really use upnp myself

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justinh:

I hope something better comes along. you know.. something that's _really_ universal

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mcquaid:

other than upnp, how is it stablity wise?

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justinh:

not 'oh but you run this app on your windows box & the standlone player sees it all' like it seems to be now

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directhex:

justinh, my ps3 will now no longer play recordings, music, or video files that aren't in the last alphabetically named sub-subfolder of my video root

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directhex:

on the plus side, the 360 will see and play some video files

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justinh:

directhex: don't yell at me for saying it can't be fixed if it's not reported. and no I dunno if it already has been reported ;)

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justinh:

maybe the only thing holding upnp back now is hardware the devs can test with. but then that comes back to the 'u' not meaning 'universal' again

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justinh:

can't help but wonder how much grief the other OSS upnp media servers have though

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directhex:

divine inspiration: use wife's omglol fast machine to do dvd rips overnight using more tested windows tools

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justinh:

can't be all that if the XBMC guys decided to make their own

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justinh:

their own media server thing I mean

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directhex:

xbmc supports upnp now

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justinh:

has done for a while. never managed to make it even see my backend – dev or production

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justinh:

they're really gonna have to sort it all out sooner or later as more alleged upnp boxes come on the market

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justinh:

make it a fecking _standard_ ffs

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directhex:

sees mine fine

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justinh:

elisa saw my backend when i tried it. everything worked

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justinh:

nero showtime works. when it's not crashing

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justinh:

heard a rumour that WMP works with it too but the problem is all the special cases that have to be put into myth's code to cope with all the wrinkles in all the different gear. that's not Universal

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GreyFoxx:

the "bugs" direct: just described have not been reproted

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justinh:

like "if the box is this, don't do that or it'll crash" etc. I dunno if it's laziness, greed or just bad engineering why there's so much disparity in upnp

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GreyFoxx:

upnp works with dj mount, nero, xbox 360 (limited), xbmc (reported ly but I can't verify), and Ps3 for recordings unless you have mpeg ts files cause of some sony acknowledged bug in the latest firmware

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justinh:

if the CES TV coverage I watched was anything to go by there's going to be a raft of standalone boxes that allegedly do upnp. who knows what they're gonna be like..

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GreyFoxx:

last time I tested it worked for mpeg content on the dsm-320 but NOT any other container... no idea why

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justinh:

.. but I'd bet my car on them working ok with the server app they ship with the box :P

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GreyFoxx:

WMP11 under vista also works, but is a crappy upnp client, and basically it's a matter of picking in code. Do you want video's or recordings, not both :)

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GreyFoxx:

I should make that last one a config option

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justinh:

I think I'd probably go as far as saying they even made a mistake calling it upnp. universal plug & play. Hmmm.. remember that nightmare?

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, videos are definitely twatted on the ps3. i can go to all videos, then pick a folder (e.g. "movies), but it shows an error message and adds the last alphabetically named file in the chosen folder to the parent of where it should be, as a folder (e.g. if i try to open 'movies', it shows an error then adds a folder called x-men to the list)

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waini:

by using patch i have a little problem: the .diff file is in dir mythtv-20.... (so that the path is ok) – but by running patch --dry-run < eithelper.diff patch wont find the file to patch

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waini:

i dont know why

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GreyFoxx:

Is "all videos" a label in the Ps3 or are you running 0.20? I renamed that a long time ago

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** justinh is not above manually editing patches **

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, it's a ps3 label

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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directhex:

waini, -p0

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GreyFoxx:

We use to have a similar label which I changed

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directhex:

remind me tomorrow & i'll take pics. it's nearly 2am and i'm tired

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GreyFoxx:

k

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waini:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

maybe I should rent a PS3 for a night before 0.21 is released

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justinh:

you can rent consoles? cool!

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GreyFoxx:

Was that a serious question ?:)

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justinh:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

Yes, as far back as I can remember I've always been able to rent consoles at most video stores/chains

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justinh:

never heard of that before. know about game rental but not consoles

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justinh:

wow

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jams:

yeah just like renting vcr's or vcp's

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: I use to go into block buster and rent some games and aconsole before I decided if I wanted to buy one :)

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justinh:

never been done in the UK AFAIK

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GreyFoxx:

I just assumed it was fairly universal heh

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justinh:

out of interest would there be any point in approaching hardware companies to supply gear in exchange for a mention on the website as sponsors or something?

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GreyFoxx:

I'm not sure how Isaac feels about that stuff really

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GreyFoxx:

personally I think it would help with support for stuff

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GreyFoxx:

since as of now a dev has to buy a unit or get their hands on it unless someone else supplies patches

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jams:

thought he was against it

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justinh:

it'd help no end but can't help thinking it's already been nixxed

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GreyFoxx:

but I imagine there would be a feeling of obligation to those providing the hardware

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justinh:

yeah I was thinking that

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justinh:

being a 2 way street doesn't have to be a bad thing though

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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jams:

wonder how hard it would be to squeeze a ps3 out of sony

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GreyFoxx:

I'm already tempted to get one just for the blueray player

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GreyFoxx:

since now that I'm getting two new HDTV capable displays I'm likely gonna start buying blueray only

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jams:

that blueray player has come in handy a few times

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jams:

really stupid they didnt include an ir receiver

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jams:

bluetooth only

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justinh:

if sites with donate buttons got more clicks the surplus could go towards buying kit for developers

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jams:

ended up buying a third party ir receiver, works well enough

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** GreyFoxx wonders how much a basic ps3 kit costs these days **

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justinh:

spent my last spoils going to LRL last year. what a waste

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jams:

still $399 ?

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justinh:

amazon.co.uk are joking. they've got to be. 15 metre HDMI cable.. £219.99

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waini:

how to edit a changelog?

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justinh:

waini: how to edit a text file?

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justinh:

I need bed

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blackest:

how do i put a link in /data so /media/drive/adirectory is accessable

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waini:

i tryed with vim – but i damaged the file

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blackest:

on the client if i put a softlink in it says its broken and if i try a hardlink it says not allowed for a dir

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waini:

i think now its ok

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levander:

Is there any way to get a temperature read from a PVR 500 card?

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jamesd_:

touch it?

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stowaway-atwork:

gda

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stowaway-atwork:

gday

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Tanthrix:

levander: Never heard of anyone being able to do that. In fact, I've never heard of anything other than a video card having a temperature probe built in.

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waini:

how long does a build takes (1Ghz)

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waini:

(not exactly)

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phix:

hello

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phix:

any one had any luck running myth-tv on a micro itx via board?

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waini:

yes

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waini:

without any problem

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waini:

should there be a problem?

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phix:

open chrone drivers

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phix:

and MPEG support

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waini:

?

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phix:

those are my problems

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waini:

what are open chrone drivers?

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phix:

3d accel drivers for via integrated mobos

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waini:

i do not knew anything about that -sorry

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waini:

my system runs good (since ttoday)

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waini:

but it could be, that the backend crashes after a time of viewing livetv (remote)

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waini:

thats my problem

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mcquaid:

what to know people's impression of stability of svn

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mcquaid:

err wanted to

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MavT:

I have used svn for a year and a half, on main family tv

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mcquaid:

year and a half?!

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MavT:

keep an eye on the dev lists, keep it up to date and you'll be fine

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mcquaid:

ok

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mcquaid:

that's good to hear

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MavT:

<insert-suitable-disclaimer>

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mcquaid:

of course :)

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waini:

ow long does a build take?

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waini:

more than 2hours?

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MavT:

depends on your hardware

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waini:

vm (1ghz) ^^

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MavT:

you should set aside a cgood chunk of time for first round of compiles

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MavT:

using ccache current builds take me about 5 mins on a dual core machine (assuming a handfull of svn updates)

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waini:

is it possible to build only the backend (to speed up the build)

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MavT:

there used to be ./configure options for that

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MavT:

ummm, ok, bye...

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mzb:

I know that historically the Radeon TV-out function has had poor support, but aren't the current drivers + chipsets (eg. X1250) adequate?

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hmcgregor:

anyone running into issues with the latest mythtv packages on debian-multimedia.org and debian sid?

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: you there?

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phlipped:

hi all – can anyone tell me where I can get the latest cx88 module source?

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phlipped:

the code from linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/cx88.html looks very old (April 2004)

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mzb:

ah ... forget Radeon ... too hard

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fryfrog:

isn't that one in kernel?

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fryfrog:

doh, to slow

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mzb:

so next question ... if I have graphics with DVI out, is a simple DVI-HDMI cable going to be sufficient to drive *any* HDTV? (Keep in mind I'll have VGA as well)

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fryfrog:

as long as it has a dvi or hdmi input

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mzb:

figured

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mzb:

so between component, s-video, composite, and DVI I should be able to cover pretty much everything (I hope)

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mzb:

just trying to make sure I haven't missed anything obvious with my spec

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fryfrog:

if you are buying a tv and a video card, make sure you get DVI on video card and HDMI or DVI on the TV

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fryfrog:

then, that is all you'll need

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fryfrog:

otherwise, i'm not quite sure what you are asking?

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hmcgregor:

And if you are buying cables in the US, it's hard to beat monoprice on hdmi cables (I just put 7 100 foot HDMI cables in a house under construction)

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fryfrog:

holey shit

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fryfrog:

why?

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fryfrog:

are you putting all your front ends in the same place ? :)

[04:10:14]

fryfrog:

using RF remotes or something?

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hmcgregor:

So flat screen lcd tv's can get installed in on the wall with power and hdmi hidden, and then all of the Myth/Sat/DVR/whatever can go in a closet

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fryfrog:

neat

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hmcgregor:

Of course the house has 320 total drops

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fryfrog:

how do you get audio?

[04:11:00]

fryfrog:

hdmi?

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hmcgregor:

most being dual cat5e and singe RG6 quad shield

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fryfrog:

does that mean you are using internal speakers from TV and not hooking to reciever?

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hmcgregor:

Audio is over HDMI for those

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hmcgregor:

Yea, but these are bedrooms, etc, and the rooms have whole house audio wired, and a stereo audio sender setup for the tv over cat5 just in case

[04:12:05]

hmcgregor:

Every room is wired for stereo speakers in the ceiling

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fryfrog:

neat

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hmcgregor:

We put in about 20,000 feet of cable (Friend of mine's house)

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fryfrog:

is this *your* house?

[04:12:19]

fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

sounds like what i'd do to my house if i built one :)

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fryfrog:

rg6 is that sat or cable wiring?

[04:12:52]

fryfrog:

(well, or both, i guess it could be)

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Tanthrix:

It's coax, so either.

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fryfrog:

except if it was hooked up like cable co does or not

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fryfrog:

i mean, well, nm

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hmcgregor:

We originally were not going to do the HDMI, except for the home theater room (1080P projector, 130" screen), but mono price had 100 foot hdmi cables for about $100 each, and it means that we don't have to have any sort of device near the nice flat screen tvs, etc

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fryfrog:

i guess you just use one of those duplexers

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hmcgregor:

Of course his wife hates tv, and will only permit one in the house

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fryfrog:

wait, so it is just *ready* for more TV?

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Tanthrix:

What distro is everyone using around here? I'm thinking about switching from Arch Linux, despite how much I like it.

[04:14:15]

fryfrog:

he isn't actually going to be putting them in? :)

[04:14:23]

fryfrog:

Ubuntu, for the easy win here

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hmcgregor:

all runs home run (thus the 20,000 feet of cable)

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Tanthrix:

fryfrog: That's what I'm leaning towards. Any known issues with the latest release?

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fryfrog:

you mean, all cable runs terminate to the same place?

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hmcgregor:

Yea, she might let him buy a flat screen or two, but to the most part, it's just ready. The house is a ~$2M house, and they intend to sell in a few years

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fryfrog:

Tanthrix: I'm using svn from a few weeks ago, works great. There is one new mp3 lib that it uses that isn't a dependancy for 0.20, so i had to apt get install it

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fryfrog:

hmcgregor: ahhh!

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fryfrog:

hmcgregor: smart planning then :)

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hmcgregor:

yep, about 6" around bundle of cable out of the ceiling

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Tanthrix:

fryfrog: Been happy with ubuntu over all?

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hmcgregor:

anyone here running debian SID?

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fryfrog:

hmcgregor: that is exactly how i'd do a house i built, *ALL* wires (phone, cable, network) into one big-ish closet

[04:16:17]

fryfrog:

Tanthrix: I switched from Gentoo (which I loved and still like) to Ubuntu, and couldn't be happier.

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fryfrog:

it is a good mix of "bleeding edge" and "someone else making sure things work" :)

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Tanthrix:

I'd take that a step further actually and home run every outlet in the house.

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fryfrog:

electrical outlet?

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hmcgregor:

Tanthrix: every run in the house, except home audio is home run

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fryfrog:

i think i'd just throw some X10 sockets in instead

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fryfrog:

including plain old electrical wiring?

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Tanthrix:

Don't have to worry about ever blowing a breaker then.

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fryfrog:

i'm not sure what you mean

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fryfrog:

you mean you'd have *each* outlet have it's own wire back to the breaker?

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Tanthrix:

Each outlet gets its own breaker, straight to the electrical box.

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fryfrog:

that seems... excessive

[04:19:09]

Tanthrix:

Perhaps. Depending on the cost of copper, I might do a compromise.

[04:19:17]

fryfrog:

Maybe 2 or 3 outlets

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hmcgregor:

One nifty thing we did is a Romex run from an outlet in the closet to where the projector will mount on the ceiling. It was helish to try and convince the electrician that we did not want that run energized. We will patch in the UPS in the closet to run the projector too

[04:19:28]

fryfrog:

I mean, who is going to run 10–15A over *ONE* electrical outlet? :)

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Tanthrix:

It's definately necessary in the garage for tools and such. I'd even do 20amp for that.

[04:19:41]

Tanthrix:

Then maybe one breaker for every room, at the most.

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fryfrog:

Romex?

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fryfrog:

sure, yeah, i'd do that

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Tanthrix:

fryfrog: Various heaters / air conditioners etc.. can approach 13–14.

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fryfrog:

hmcgregor: so basically it is a long, permenant extension cord?

[04:20:21]

Tanthrix:

I've got a little tiny heater that's 1500 watts

[04:20:53]

Tanthrix:

fryfrog: Anyway, I love Arch Linux for its DIY simplicity, but I've come to realize that their update system is totally incompatible with my needs.

[04:21:24]

fryfrog:

i like gentoo and ebuilds and such, but i just got tired of updating so many things so frequently

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Tanthrix:

fryfrog: The whole thing is bleeding edge, no set versions or anything. So the longer you wait after installing, the more out of date that you are. Grabbing gaim might need to update glibc or something terrible. Not worth the pain.

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Tanthrix:

fryfrog: I just tried 500mb of updates the other night, and it totally hosed my system.

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fryfrog:

yeah, same with gentoo :)

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Tanthrix:

Luckily I dd-ed a copy of my drive before attempting the full update. So now I'm on the market for something that has discreet versions.

[04:22:21]

fryfrog:

plus i was an addict, so i was running the "unstable" branch

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Tanthrix:

Not sure I like the fact that ubuntu is so wizardy, but I could learn to deal with it. Plus it's popular, so it gets lots of updates, write ups, etc..

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hmcgregor:

fryfrog: yep

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jams:

Tanthrix- not sure where it went, but there was talk of setting up discreet versions of arch.

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fryfrog:

Tanthrix: nothing stops you from using the command line, that is all I use :)

[04:23:34]

Tanthrix:

jams: Interesting. Seems like it would be a good idea.

[04:23:44]

jams:

yeah

[04:23:50]

Tanthrix:

fryfrog: Aye. Any experience with the server version of ubuntu?

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jams:

i take snapshots of their repos once in a while

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Tanthrix:

fryfrog: I'm going to be serving a small webpage with this so I need apache/php, so it seems like it might be worth it since it comes all presetup.

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fryfrog:

Tanthrix: yeah, don't use it :)

[04:25:17]

Tanthrix:

Why's that?

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fryfrog:

Tanthrix: you'll just end up needing to install so much shit

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fryfrog:

that it is easier to go with the "full" version and *just* install apache/mysql/php

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Tanthrix:

Understood.

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fryfrog:

I tried that first myself

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fryfrog:

but i had to get X

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fryfrog:

gnome

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fryfrog:

etc, etc

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fryfrog:

i was like... screw this, and just installed the normal version :)

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Tanthrix:

I wish I wasn't stuck with gnome so much on it. Seems like a lot of overhead for a myth system.

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fryfrog:

if i *wasn't* doing gui (myth), server is fine

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fryfrog:

use kubuntu?

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Tanthrix:

KDE? That's worse!

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Tanthrix:

I tried xubuntu, and it was buggy as hell.

[04:27:39]

fryfrog:

or install fluxbox and just use it

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Tanthrix:

I'll probably just do that. I suspect it shouldn't complicate things too much for me?

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hmcgregor:

I am trying to track down an issue with my myth setup on debian sid, using the latest debian-multimedia.org packages

[04:29:38]

hmcgregor:

Front end gives me this error: mythfrontend: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libmyth-0.20.2.so.0: undefined symbol: stat64

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hmcgregor:

Tanthrix: FluxBox is great. I use it without a graphical login manager, using a getty login trick

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Tanthrix:

hmcgregor: Meaning you disabled ubuntu's login thing, just boot straight to console, then go into X from there?

[04:31:35]

hmcgregor:

Tanthrix: I use straight up debian, but yea, both KDM and GDM are disabled

[04:31:36]

levander:

If there are video artifacts on the analog cable I've got coming into my PVR 500 card, can I just expect them to get worse when viewed through myth? I can see the artifacts on a regular TV. But, they are much worse when viewed on my myth box.

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Kernel:

hello all. im trying to watch some hd x264 files in mythvideo..but the internal player doesnt seem to like them...anyone have any suggestions?

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hmcgregor:

Tanthrix: http://linuxgazette.net/issue72/chung.html

[04:32:01]

Tanthrix:

hmcgregor: Ahh, gotcha.

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Tanthrix:

Kernel: The internal player does not do x264 reliably (or at all?). Stick with mplayer.

[04:32:49]

levander:

Tanthrix: You know mythbuntu defaults to XFCE. I'm using it and it seems very slim.

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GreyFoxx:

why even go as far as a custom app ?

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Kernel:

Tanthrix: ok. will give it a shot. thanks :-)

[04:33:09]

GreyFoxx:

more effort than you need

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fryfrog:

it is less x264 and more the .mkv container, afair

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Tanthrix:

levander: Interesting. I might give it a look.

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GreyFoxx:

it's the container. hopefully that will be worked out for 0.22

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GreyFoxx:

that's way up there on my list

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Tanthrix:

GreyFoxx: Custom app?

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GreyFoxx:

Tanthrix: that autologin link he posted. the guy has a custom app to call login and such

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Tanthrix:

Oh, gotcha.

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.pastebin.ca/904698

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Tanthrix:

Yah, as far as I know you don't need anything like that. I just recall editing a few files and being done wirth it.

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fryfrog:

i just use gdm's auto-login feature

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GreyFoxx:

I add that to my rc.local it auto launches X as mythtv user if I don't pass "noautologin" on the bootup command

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hmcgregor:

except that puts gdm in memory

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GreyFoxx:

so I can bypass it if I want

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levander:

Tanthrix: I installed Mythbuntu, didn't like XFCE at first and fought it. regular Ubuntu with GNOME, and then mythtv on top of it. After using it a week, I was like, "oh, that's why they used XFCE". GNOME has so much more baggage.

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GreyFoxx:

and no need for anything outside of the init scrupt

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fryfrog:

bfd, who doesn't have 1G of ram now?

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fryfrog:

i run fluxbox for wm, not gnome... so a bit of gdm? blah :)

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Tanthrix:

levander: Aye. I definately wouldn't use gnome with myth. I might just do regular ubuntu though and install flux box. I like the idea of using regular ubuntu since it's so frequently updated, best supported, etc..

[04:37:15]

Tanthrix:

Blackbox/fluxbox have both served me well for years now.

[04:37:45]

levander:

Tanthrix: Mythbuntu is regular Ubuntu with just a few tweaks. Like the Mythbuntu installer lets you configure TV-out whereas regular Ubuntu doesn't. They've really just mostly repackaged Ubuntu. So, there's not nearly as much work to do in maintaining Mythbuntu.

[04:38:25]

levander:

Tanthrix: You get packages for both out of the same repositories, they are completely compatible. Mythbuntu is really just an Ubuntu package called mythbuntu-desktop.

[04:38:43]

levander:

And, that package lives in the Ubuntu repositories just like all the other packages.

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Tanthrix:

Hrm, I might have to give it a look then.

[04:40:03]

levander:

Tanthrix: I fought it at first because like you I was just like, well I already use Ubuntu (not Mythbuntu) so I'll just install mythtv on top of Ubuntu. But, I had to play with hardware so much trying to get it up and going, one time I installed mythbuntu and started tinkering with it. It's not night and day, but I definitely think mythbuntu is slicker.

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Tanthrix:

levander: I'm just wondering if I'll get much out of it over regular ubuntu, since my setup is a bit non-standard (dual-monitors, for instance.)

[04:40:59]

Tanthrix:

levander: What else does it do that's spiffy?

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hmcgregor:

fryfrog: my myth box is still a A64 3200+ (original, purchased a week after it was released), with 512MB of memory

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fryfrog:

i just threw a 4200+ X2 into my system that was a 3000+ like yours

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fryfrog:

because x264 was so bad (on internal player)

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hmcgregor:

fryfrog: socket 754...

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fryfrog:

i bet if i'd switched to mplayer *before* buying new hardware, it'd work

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fryfrog:

oh, 939 here

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fryfrog:

your on dead end, i'm on later dead end :)

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hmcgregor:

fryfrog: yea, I am planning on an am2+ with an amd quad core, but that is probably 8 months away for this box

[04:43:22]

hmcgregor:

fryfrog: I have yet to actually do the 1.5TB upgrade that I purchased 8 months ago (the fun of having a 10month old son)

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fryfrog:

maybe by then, amd won't be sucking intel's toes :(

[04:43:41]

fryfrog:

wait, you got 1.5T of hard drives *not* doing anything!?

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hmcgregor:

fryfrog: actually it's 3x750 drives for a 1.5TB Raid 5

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fryfrog:

suck!

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GreyFoxx:

hmcgregor: I remember those days. even now I rarely find time for that stuff till late at night or early morning

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Tanthrix:

My friend just bought an E8400 I think he said. Plays 1080p x264 without blinking. Even does the crazy BBC TS stream at 90 percent of one core.

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fryfrog:

Some day, I'll replace my 8x 320G drives with 1TB or 750G drives :)

[04:45:52]

fryfrog:

wow, 4x 750s would get me what I have *now*

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fryfrog:

plus some

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fryfrog:

I wouldn't even need 8 of them :)

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hmcgregor:

fryfrog: yea, I get a little spoiled with servers at my office... 15x750GB, software raid 6

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fryfrog:

wow, very nice

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fryfrog:

do you know if you can soft update from raid5 -> raid6 ?

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fryfrog:

like you can grow a raid5

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fryfrog:

and *maybe* go from raid1->raid5 (not sure on that one)

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hmcgregor:

don't know, I tend to do raid 1 for boot drive (across all drives), and then raid 6 for data

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hmcgregor:

never tried to migrate from raid levels, or even expand the array

[04:49:09]

hmcgregor:

NewEgg has WD 750GB drives for $140 ($20 promo code in their newsletter today)

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fryfrog:

expanding a raid5 is retarded easy

[04:49:18]

fryfrog:

i couldn't believe it

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hmcgregor:

cool

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fryfrog:

went from 5 -> 6 then from 6 -> 8

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fryfrog:

if i build a new array, i might do raid6, for the double condom affect

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fryfrog:

effect?

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fryfrog:

but raid5 has served me well through 2 (not at the same time) drive failures

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hmcgregor:

yep, raid 5 and 6 are both nice. I go even further at my office, hot spare

[04:50:52]

hmcgregor:

raid 6 with hot spare

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fryfrog:

now that is a waste of disk space! ;)

[04:51:28]

hmcgregor:

Yea, but when you have an 8.19TB lvm PV, who cares

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fryfrog:

i spose :/

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hmcgregor:

The box has tripple power supplies too, and is only 3" tall

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fryfrog:

wow

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hmcgregor:

3U, not inches, sorry

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tjcarter:

blegh, I am looking at full-spectrum task lamps, but they're all flourescent tubes..

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tjcarter:

the fact you have to call a hazmat team if you break a bulb ...

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Gokee2:

My xserver crashes if I select play in mythfrondend. Anyone know what could be causing this? I am using Kubuntu gutsy I have tried it in kde and starting a myth session

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tjcarter:

need full LED array or something

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tjcarter:

full spectrum rather. (damn those would be expensive!)

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[10:48:48]

phix:

hello sirs

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phix:

and maam

[10:56:33]

justinh:

whatever. it's friday

[10:57:49]

phix:

agreed

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phix:

lets mosh

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** phix moshes **

[10:58:01]

phix:

woooaaahh oohh wooaah ooohH!!!

[10:58:09]

phix:

yeeah aahhH!! yeaaah ahhH!

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justinh:

now I feel I know the true meaning of the word

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phix:

:P

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phix:

WE ARE TEH FIRE!

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justinh:

not going to say the word I meant ;)

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phix:

:P

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** phix hides **

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phix:

yes, they all come out on a friday ay :)

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Dagmar:

wheeee

[11:01:29]

Dagmar:

Did a remote unattended upgrade across that libata change gap in 2.6.23-ish and the machine actually booted up

[11:02:04]

phix:

maybe

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phix:

lets mythtv

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phix:

can I use your backend?

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zkx:

is mythtv supposed to delete the old ringbuffer or whatnot on channel change?

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Dagmar:

Nope

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zkx:

when does it delete them?

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justinh:

after 24 hours or the disk size limit is reached, whatever happens first

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zkx:

oh, ok, that's cool then

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justinh:

heh we don't often see that word used anymore. ringbuffer

[11:06:38]

zkx:

just finally got TV-out working yesterday and noticed i still have some ringbuffer files from last night, thought something might be wrong

[11:06:47]

zkx:

what do people use then? :)

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Dagmar:

What do people use for what?

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justinh:

they're actual recordings now but in the livetv group

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Dagmar:

I use toilet paper instead of twigs and leaves.

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zkx:

heh, k

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justinh:

yay for wikis! I need some software from our inhouse wiki. link is up to date but the file isn't there. yay :-\

[11:08:24]

zkx:

they're just somewhat annoying as they're in the same folder as the regular recordings and i like to do my xvid encoding by hand via ssh, but the real recordings get renamed properly anyway, so it doesn't matter

[11:08:35]

justinh:

do what I do then

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justinh:

don't watch livetv. ever

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zkx:

heh

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justinh:

storage groups will change all that anyway

[11:09:07]

zkx:

yeah, i'll prolly come close, but i still like to watch random crap from time to time

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justinh:

want random crap? just pop in here for 15 minutes.

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zkx:

it's just nice to see that the multirec stuff got merged to the main branch

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justinh:

come along & mosh! :P

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blackest:

morning all :)

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zkx:

see sometimes i open the tv just for the background noise :p

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justinh:

and a merry mythweather to you blackest

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zkx:

and well... regular tv will stop working in... 15ish days, so gotta use some sort of DVB stuff if i wanna watch tv.... and my mythtv box is my only STB :P

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blackest:

lol ok i was only trying to say it wasnt essential and that there are other prioritys ...

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justinh:

blackest: stuff I'm working on this weekend isn't wanted by anybody but me & I couldn't give a damn

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blackest:

any idea of a qick and easy way to get myth to drop all the music it cant find

[11:12:33]

justinh:

when we get bored we could easily go read /dev/null in the wiki

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justinh:

but there's no time to get bored :)

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blackest:

I seem to be getting somewhere with the export thing

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blackest:

but now I have some mp3's listed that dont exist well where myth thinks they are anyway

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justinh:

oh fucking hell none of the software for this machine is on the wiki page now

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blackest:

??

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justinh:

work

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blackest:

ah ok

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justinh:

ceo loves wikis, so we got a wiki. it's shite

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zkx:

wikis rule

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justinh:

depends who creates & who maintains em

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justinh:

ours is a big collection of massively long pages with links to software buried in them somewhere

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zkx:

heh

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justinh:

people make new pages but conveniently forget to put links to them in other pages

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zkx:

<3

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justinh:

if I was looking to find an example of the worst case, this'd be it

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blackest:

i've got a wiki its quite handy as a sort of notebook

[11:19:36]

justinh:

I've got a notebook. it's quite handy as a sort of notebook. :D

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blackest:

no use to anyone but me of course

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justinh:

only 35, yet feel so old & disconnected already. it's awesome

[11:20:38]

justinh:

2.0 indeed. feck that

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zkx:

i've got random text files all over my home dir, quite handy as a notebook

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justinh:

btw when I said notebook I meant a little black thing with pages made out of paper

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justinh:

I didn't mean #500 toy

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blackest:

well if you have a webserver why just use it as an epg

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justinh:

as a huh?

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blackest:

well if your running mythweb why not run other things as well on it

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justinh:

ahhh.

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zkx:

yeah, i got that

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zkx:

my textfiles are indeed inside a 500euro toy

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** justinh does not blog **

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justinh:

blog is not a verb anyway

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blackest:

but it can be used like a verb :)

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justinh:

I know I'm easily more than misanthropic enough to have a blog of my own but sod that

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directhex|bsp:

je blog, tu blog, il blog, nous blogons, vous blogez, ils blogent

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justinh:

1. I rarely use the word 'awesome'

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justinh:

2. people don't give a shit what I say or think & I'm comfortable with that

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blackest:

i use it sometimes as in awe some tw... has...

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justinh:

I sometimes use the word 'awesome' – you know – for things that genuinely do generate a feeling of awe. not just for 'anything vaguely good'

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zkx:

awesome!

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blackest:

you can use it sarcastical too :~)

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justinh:

hey look I changed the colour of the text. awesome! :-\

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blackest:

anyway how do you remove music from the myth database

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Dagmar:

Tell it to rescan

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justinh:

delete * from musicmetadata;

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Dagmar:

Missing files will simply disappear

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justinh:

truncate mythconverg;

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justinh:

don't do this ^^^^

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justinh:

:P

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Dagmar:

Well, it _would_ remove the music from the database. :)

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blackest:

it doesn't quite seem to work i rescan and it still keeps offering me tracks it cant find

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Dagmar:

Weird.

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justinh:

blackest: less you have playlists with those tracks in em

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blackest:

however sometimes it does find tracks which is an improvement

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Dagmar:

Ah...

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blackest:

ah so delete the playlists

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justinh:

who you calling an ah so?

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justinh:

bah this work computer is the reciprocal of awesome

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justinh:

ahahahaha that'd be why. 32MB RAM on it

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blackest:

DELETE FROM `music_songs` should clean it out i guess

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blackest:

anyone get the 'W' key is bound to multiple functions in tv playback message

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justinh:

when? where?

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justinh:

oh so that's somebody's idea of development. add a menu item to launch google earth. so they can stand there in front a big screen with a massive fan blowing in their face.

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directhex|bsp:

hm, time to make TUTV cry and cancel as possibly their sole remaining customer

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blackest:

yes it is toggle aspect,and toggle fill both use the w key

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blackest:

is that part of the theme ?

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blackest:

toggleaspect should be ctrl+w

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beakster:

Hi, going to reinstall my media centre this weekend. Currently running an old Ubuntu. Would I be better with a new Ubuntu or Mythbuntu?

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Daviey:

beakster: either, mythbuntu will do more for you tho

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Daviey:

and is lighter

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directhex|bsp:

adding a mythbuntu link to the mythfrontend settings is a stroke of genius, btw

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beakster:

if i buy an Althon 64 processor, should I be using a 32bit or 64bit distro for Myth?

[12:12:27]

Daviey:

directhex|bsp: knoppmyth had a custom link in mythfrontend waaaaay before us

[12:12:28]

beakster:

Daviey, what do u mean by do more for me?

[12:12:43]

Daviey:

beakster: It'll install mythtv for a start :)

[12:12:53]

directhex|bsp:

Daviey, i did not know this

[12:13:08]

directhex|bsp:

beakster, 64-bit is faster for things like transcoding

[12:13:13]

beakster:

Daviey, and what happens with mythbuntu when i need to update mythtv?

[12:13:22]

beakster:

does it all work with apt-get?

[12:13:23]

blackest:

what about flash ?

[12:13:56]

Daviey:

sure

[12:13:59]

blackest:

isnt that 32 bit only still ?

[12:14:24]

Daviey:

beakster: Everything mythbuntu does it pushes back to ubuntu (where it can)

[12:15:17]

beakster:

Would this be a good motherboard bundle for my media centre? http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . =3&C=RSS

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stowaway:

hello

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stowaway:

is there an apt-get for GTK+?

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directhex|bsp:

maplins don't do "good"

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directhex|bsp:

they do "obsolete" and "overpriced"

[12:23:49]

directhex|bsp:

this one would be an example of column A – not only is it obsolete, it was obsolete when the LAST generation went obsolete

[12:24:42]

directhex|bsp:

socket 754 was obsoleted by socket 939 was obsoleted by the (current) socket am2. that bundle is 754-based. it would also require you to track down obsolete memory (which costs more than real memory) and an obsolete graphics card

[12:24:56]

beakster:

directhex|bsp ok, thanks :)

[12:25:07]

beakster:

its really had to find a cheap mobo with 4 PCI slots tho

[12:25:18]

directhex|bsp:

do you need 4 pci slots?

[12:25:23]

directhex|bsp:

what with dual-tuner cards and all

[12:25:30]

beakster:

well i got 3 TV cards and one spare would be good

[12:27:01]

directhex|bsp:

3 PCI slots is doable, but more than that is HARD these days

[12:27:23]

Dagmar:

Meh

[12:27:34]

beakster:

:(

[12:27:35]

Dagmar:

You can do four if you don't mind not having a dedicated video card slot. ;)

[12:28:27]

beakster:

what ever happened to the days of sever sized towers with 5 x 5.25inch bays, and mobos with 5 PCI and 3 ISA slots :(

[12:28:41]

directhex|bsp:

beakster, ISA died some time last millennium?

[12:29:10]

hashbang:

beakster: http://www.dansdata.com/cgcase.htm # if you can still buy 'em

[12:29:29]

directhex|bsp:

beakster, lots of slots were needed because lots of *cards* were needed. these days you have dual gigabit ethernet and 7.1 sound on almost every board

[12:29:45]

hashbang:

beakster: but yeah, 4 PCI seems to be about the limit these days

[12:29:51]

directhex|bsp:

hashbang, i run a case with 11 drive bays...

[12:30:30]

directhex|bsp:

http://www.hardware.no/tester/kabinett/cooler . . . sideveis.jpg

[12:31:34]

hashbang:

Dibblah: heh

[12:31:40]

hashbang:

er, directhex even

[12:31:44]

beakster:

whats the point in having a SCSI interface support 6 or 7 devices if u dont have bays to put them all in =)

[12:31:53]

hashbang:

beakster: externals?

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beakster:

messy

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blackest:

a psu per drive is a pain

[12:33:11]

beakster:

this looks good but has AGP instead of PCI-E http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklin . . . 00,356410000

[12:33:22]

hashbang:

blackest: powered firewire?

[12:33:36]

directhex|bsp:

scsi is also dead

[12:33:43]

hashbang:

beakster: gack. nForce.

[12:33:50]

beakster:

nForce no good?

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directhex|bsp:

obsolete nforce

[12:34:01]

hashbang:

some people probably like 'em.

[12:34:03]

beakster:

how about this http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklin . . . 00,356410000

[12:34:09]

directhex|bsp:

at least it'll use an am2 chip

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directhex|bsp:

what's with all the amd anyway?

[12:34:46]

beakster:

amd seems a bit cheaper?

[12:35:29]

beakster:

basically im looking for mobo, processor, memory for my media centre for not much more than 100 uk pounds

[12:36:05]

beakster:

and would like a video card with HDMI, Svideo and VGA

[12:36:50]

hashbang:

beakster: moon on a stick, too, sir? ;-)

[12:37:00]

directhex|bsp:

don't obsess over getting an hdmi port, you're better off with dvi on one end if it means nvidias

[12:37:31]

Daviey:

hahaha

[12:37:38]

Daviey:

directhex|bsp: s/nvidia/ati

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beakster:

my current Athlon 2000XP mobo and proc has done well, but its just dies

[12:38:44]

beakster:

died

[12:39:24]

beakster:

this mobo looks good, cant go wrong with gigabyte http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklin . . . 00,356410000

[12:39:36]

Dagmar:

Well, you _can_, but it's harder than usual.

[12:39:48]

directhex|bsp:

okay, i think i am actually some kind of deity. http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=661329 plus http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=632503 plus http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=143574

[12:40:05]

Dagmar:

Quick! Walk on water!

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directhex|bsp:

£101.67 shipped, including dual-core cpu

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beakster:

looking

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directhex|bsp:

AND 4 pci slots

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directhex|bsp:

AND ddr2, pcie, y'know generally this is exactly what you want

[12:41:12]

Dagmar:

Don't you guys have the river Ankh running right through the place?

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directhex|bsp:

nope, the styx

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directhex|bsp:

t'is used for cooling!

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beakster:

directhex|bsp thanks, reading about those now...

[12:43:01]

beakster:

...doesn't DDR ram have to be added in pairs to be effective?

[12:43:41]

directhex|bsp:

ideally, yeah, but i had £15 left in the budgety

[12:43:51]

beakster:

cool thanks

[12:43:55]

beakster:

i reckon i'll prob do this

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directhex|bsp:

2x http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . ctID=498503#

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directhex|bsp:

bam, sorted

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beakster:

how's this video card look? http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklin . . . 7,4294955174

[12:44:38]

beakster:

last time i looked ATI wasn't too good with linux, not sure if its still the case

[12:44:46]

directhex|bsp:

YES IT IS STILL THE CASE

[12:45:06]

directhex|bsp:

ATI WILL CAUSE PAIN, SUFFERING, IMPOTENCE, AND A COLLAPSED LUNG

[12:45:45]

beakster:

ok...

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beakster:

so S3 Virge it is then

[12:45:55]

beakster:

;)

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directhex|bsp:

you could buy http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=126737 for an extra quid and get snazzy ramsinks

[12:48:22]

directhex|bsp:

very very few nvidia cards have an hdmi slot, but you can use a dvi-to-hdmi dongle

[12:50:00]

beakster:

i suppose my old AGP Geforce3 440MX is no use with a modern motherboard?

[12:50:11]

Dagmar:

not really.

[12:50:23]

Dagmar:

There's very few AGP boards going on the market now

[12:50:52]

beakster:

so with an adapter DVI == HDMI?

[12:50:57]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[12:51:00]

beakster:

cool

[12:51:14]

Dagmar:

Well, after you add a bucketfull of asshattery and DRM.

[12:51:20]

beakster:

why didnt they just use DVI ports on the AV stuff then :)

[12:51:50]

beakster:

oh, so HDMI has some macrovision or somthing in it to stop people copying DVDs?

[12:52:04]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[12:52:08]

beakster:

i see

[12:52:22]

Dagmar:

Non monopoly-approved equipment means that an HDMI port will only emit 720p

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directhex|bsp:

snuh?

[12:52:52]

directhex|bsp:

HDMi and DVI do not mandate the copy protection (HDCP), but both can use it

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directhex|bsp:

most nvidia cards will do HDCP over DVI

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Dagmar:

I've not seen anything with HDMI that didn't include HDCP

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directhex|bsp:

and the reason they didn't stick with DVI on AV kit is it's expensive to license, and is video only 9HDMI can carry digital audio)

[12:53:36]

Dagmar:

...and it would be somewhat ineffective if you could just turn off the "anti-piracy" measures

[12:54:41]

Dagmar:

You might wanna go update the wikipedia page if you don't think DRM and HDMI are irrevocably intertwined

[12:55:20]

directhex|bsp:

"Pre-2005 HDMI and DVI formats already displayed HD resolutions that High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) provides but without any digital protection"?

[12:55:36]

beakster:

how's this for a video card? http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklin . . . 000,43990000

[12:55:48]

Dagmar:

Good luck finding that kit in stores now

[12:56:58]

directhex|bsp:

beakster, video quality on the vga will probably suck, otherwise perfectly adequate

[12:57:09]

beakster:

why will the VGA suck?

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directhex|bsp:

beakster, the ribbon cable

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beakster:

at the moment I am using a massive Pioneer 4:3 monitor, i think its about 40 inch. it has a VGA input

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beakster:

but only displays 640x480 max

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directhex|bsp:

which is a common feature of low-end cards

[12:58:16]

stowaway:

does anyone here use iams bulkmeta adder script?

[13:02:27]

beakster:

oh, check this http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=442876

[13:02:37]

beakster:

its got a passive heatsink, so will be quiet

[13:02:55]

beakster:

and the VGA is either not on a ribbon or its screened judging by the pic

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directhex|bsp:

yep. only coposite tv-out though. do you care?

[13:04:00]

beakster:

no, when i upgrade from this Pioneer thing it will be to an HDMI TV

[13:04:13]

beakster:

and besides, i dont find S-Video much better than Composite

[13:04:51]

beakster:

provided a good cable is used, Composite is usually fine on an average TV

[13:05:25]

beakster:

so that card will be more than capable of displayng HDTV on for my media centre?

[13:05:35]

beakster:

not going to be playing Doom 3 on it or anything

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directhex|bsp:

should be fine. i use a similar card in my backend

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beakster:

cool

[13:06:21]

beakster:

one last q

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beakster:

PSUs

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beakster:

think im running an ancient 200Watt one just now

[13:06:50]

beakster:

what power rating should I be looking for to power this lot?

[13:06:53]

beakster:

300w?

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directhex|bsp:

brand is probably more important

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directhex|bsp:

a poor 650W supply would explode under anything approaching medium load

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directhex|bsp:

whereas a decent 300W supply is more than adequate

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beakster:

ok, i'll try and find a quiet one too

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beakster:

cheers for you your help guys =)

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blackest:

what do you need to put in fstab for a network fileshare?

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directhex|bsp:

blackest, which kind of fileshare?

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blackest:

nfs

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blackest:

sudo mount ubuntu16://media/ubuntumedia/mediashare/ /media/ubuntumedia/mediashare/

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justinh:

man fstab

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blackest:

thats what i've got it mounted with so far

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justinh:

no wait. ubunuts has a gui for this stuff. tis but a few clicks away!

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zkx:

just check what "mount" gives and then compare that with the stuff inside /etc/fstab

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directhex|bsp:

ubuntu16://media/ubuntumedia/mediashare/ /media/ubuntumedia/mediashare/ nfs auto 0 0

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justinh:

blackest: make sure portmap is installed throughout though, or mounts will take a very long time

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justinh:

* and runnning

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blackest:

portmap on both client and server yes

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beakster:

reckon this PSU is ok and quiet enough and will work with suggested motherboard? http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=141418

[13:17:20]

justinh:

gah this new machine IT have given me is a better spec than the old one but it has XP installed. XP in 256MB of ram – as bad as 98 in 32MB. dozy feckers

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directhex|bsp:

why would you even have a box with 32 meg of ram?

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justinh:

because that's what we have lying around here

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justinh:

that's about all some departments get when they ask for a machine

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zkx:

:p

[13:19:52]

justinh:

wheee see how the screen redraws!

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justinh:

if I didjn't get stamped on for downloading distros I'd put linux on this box

[13:21:13]

justinh:

its needs are a web browser, ftp client, tftp server & serial terminal

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justinh:

so they put XP on it

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justinh:

but then, this isn't the most enlightened of companies

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directhex|bsp:

commercial employment sounds scary :|

[13:21:43]

zkx:

you wouldn't even need X for those :p

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blackest:

live cd maybe

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justinh:

blackest: I'm not resorting to downloading at home & bringing it in

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justinh:

if the work I have to do takes 6 times longer with the tools I'm given, so be it :P

[13:22:48]

doobeh:

I'd check your drivers / services justin, I've got a couple of old machines at work with xp/256 and they run fine for general usage

[13:22:59]

doobeh:

certainly no lagging with screen refreshes

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justinh:

ooo no. if I download more than 2MB from teh internets a siren goes awooga! awgoooooa!

[13:24:42]

zkx:

dl a single-floppy distro :P

[13:24:54]

justinh:

none of this'd piss me off if I hadn't seen how much was wasted on ferrying customers around in helicopters last year

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** directhex|bsp changes the light bulb **

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zkx:

yeah, dual-core laptops cost like $500 a piece

[13:25:56]

justinh:

bluh. trident something ot other blah blah graphics

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zkx:

which reminds me... my last laptop only had 256mb :p

[13:26:26]

zkx:

tho i kept it clean or everything unecessary

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justinh:

trident video accelerator blade 3d pro. quality. nothing but the best here

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justinh:

this box has: firefox, putty, vncviewer, filezilla & some gpl tftp server thing

[13:28:10]

justinh:

and it's still slow as f...

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justinh:

oo see how much it speeds up in 16bit colour

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justinh:

I loved the 1990s

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zkx:

i stopped all unecessary background services too... no need for printing support for me

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zkx:

or themes

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zkx:

and whatever

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justinh:

our IT dept actually still make machines induh-vidually too – despite us having well over 200 employees

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kuil:

hi all.. anybody here knows how to get minimyth to compile agains the svn (0.20.99) version of myth?

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justinh:

they could buy off the shelf machines for less money – they'd be better & nobody would have to waste yet more money building em

[13:31:31]

justinh:

kuil: building minimyth is a black art

[13:32:11]

justinh:

kuil: get the svn gar-minimyth stuff. the docs make it pretty clear what has to be done

[13:33:04]

justinh:

I wouldn't wish it on anybody though – for all gar simplifies the whole 'build a distro from scratch' thing it's still a PITA

[13:33:59]

kuil:

well. I saw a couple of options in the gar script for myth version.. one was svn...

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kuil:

it wasn't the svn version I was using though :(

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kuil:

seems like it isn't using the trunk

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kuil:

(and compiling takes a loooong time to :()

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justinh:

hahaha yeah. like 18 hours on a 2Ghz machine

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justinh:

been there

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kuil:

I really like minimyth.. but I have an old nvidia card .. and a new mythbackend...

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kuil:

so indeed. . about a day on my machine here

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kuil:

nobody here has a 'precompiled' version I guess :)

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justinh:

kuil: I never got very familiar with it despite managing to make it work a couple of times (building it, not using it)

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blackest:

ok whats a good page title for a wiki article on setting up storage so any frontend can access video and music

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justinh:

used to use a readymade minimyth with my epia PoS

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justinh:

blackest: sharedstorage perhaps?

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justinh:

or 'mediashares'...

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justinh:

and remember to link to it from the mythmusic, mythvideo etc pages :)

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kuil:

justinh: I did get it to work.. but now I updated my backend... and so far.. no luck :(

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blackest:

mediashares i think will do

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justinh:

kuil: IIRC if you specify svn in the build options config file it'll check out the latest trunk. maybe to get a specific version you need to edit a script where it does the checkout

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kuil:

justinh: ok.. thx.. I will search for the checkout script...

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kuil:

see if I can find it :)

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kuil:

thx

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justinh:

kuil: grep for 'svn co' :)

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kuil:

:)

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justinh:

I just use mythbuntu on my frontend now, converted to diskless – without the mythtv packages

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kuil:

you start it from cdrom then?

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

diskless

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justinh:

as in nfsroot

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kuil:

ah

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kuil:

how does that work? I like minimyth since it is so small...

[13:43:33]

beakster:

hey, can anyone advise if a pair of these would be good? http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=527001

[13:44:03]

justinh:

well, I set aside a dir on my backend & I use that for it. takes a couple of gigs but that's nothing

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justinh:

minimyth may well be small but it's immovable

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kuil:

how do you mean immovable?

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justinh:

I mean you get what you get – no adding stuff without rebuilding it all

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justinh:

no upgrading without rebuilding the lot either

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justinh:

in a time when half an hour of TV can occupy 1GB or more I don't consider a 'bloated' nfsroot to be that big a waste of space

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kuil:

ah.. indeed

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blackest:

ok i made a wiki page anyone fancy taking a look http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mediashares

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kuil:

blackest: hint 'mkdir -p /media/ubuntumedia/mediashare/' (-p creates parent dirs if required)

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blackest:

ok but other than that its ok ?

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blackest:

thanks added that in

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beakster:

when will HDTV freeview be available in the UK?

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f4lt3r_:

hi @ all

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blackest:

2012 i think

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justinh:

beakster: 2012 at the earliest, if ever

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justinh:

ofcom couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery

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justinh:

well, maybe they could if there was a lot of money involved

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justinh:

best bet until then is BBCHD on freesat

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justinh:

yeah I know. as many as one channel. what it must be like to be a world leader in public television services

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kuil:

blackest: didn't find anything else.. looks nice!

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directhex|bsp:

there should be a 4hd channel of some kind by then

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directhex|bsp:

probably on freesat

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justinh:

beakster: hdtv won't be available over the air in the UK til analogue has been switched off & the govt has sold off the old spectrum. that's right – everything bar 6 analogue channels worth of spectrum is gonna be sold to the highest bidder

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blackest:

thank you

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blackest:

and thanks for all the help in creating it

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justinh:

ofcom are proposing to make room for HDTV by squashing existing freeview services even more to make room for one HD mux which mihgt use dvb-t2 – a standard which doesn't yet officially exist

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: if 4HD goes FTA it'll be nice

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, they'd need to move it to a different transponder, since it seems to be on a sky-owned one right now

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justinh:

then we'll have like TWO FTA HDTV channels!

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directhex|bsp:

the mind boggles at luxe being payware

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justinh:

it's hard to get excited about HD really, because of all the above

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directhex|bsp:

HD i'm excited by, i've been making use of it for over a year. Uk HDTV is a somewhat narrower, more depressing concept

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justinh:

then again though, the majority of the stuff I watch is from one of 3 channels anyway

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directhex|bsp:

dave, gemstv, and qvc

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justinh:

BBC4, channel 4, BBC2

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justinh:

gemstv.. lol.

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justinh:

introduce anti-subscription for those channels. pay to keep them off the air

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directhex|bsp:

i need to test multirec

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justinh:

I've tested it. it's amazing. 10 recordings from one mux... (hacked code)

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directhex|bsp:

yeah, seems the limit is 5 right now

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directhex|bsp:

which mux with 10 channels are you watching, justinh? O_O

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justinh:

was 6 tv channels, 4 radio

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: hehe nice

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justinh:

gemstv, gemstv+1, qvc, bright ideas, dave & nutstv :P

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GreyFoxx:

I have mine patched for 8, and it works work me

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directhex|bsp:

is there any word on "multirec plus CAM" behaviour yet?

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justinh:

hmm why doesn't # produce a backslash here

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blackest:

heres a small issue i mostly have videos in /var/lib/mythtv/videos/ but i also have a softlink to somewhere else containing transcoded videos

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: depends how lame the CAM is

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, US keymap

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: a depends on the cam

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, go on...

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: Some users have said their can get multiple off the one cam

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GreyFoxx:

but others can only get one

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GreyFoxx:

I don't think anyone has done a list of which do it and which wont though

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blackest:

the remote frontend can see the mainvideos but the softlinked ones it cant access can you have multiple paths

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directhex|bsp:

damn

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directhex|bsp:

it might influence me in multi-choice scenarios

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GreyFoxx:

I expect that list which appear shortly once 0.21 comes out and people start upgrading

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directhex|bsp:

how many people actually use myth with a CAM?

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GreyFoxx:

quite a few in Europe apparently

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Dagmar:

I would if I could use it to actually get digital cable

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directhex|bsp:

i wonder whether there's EIT on freesat

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GreyFoxx:

I'd buy a cam in aheartbeat if I could get one to work with Bev

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justinh:

blackest: separate : the : mythvideo : paths : with : these

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** directhex|bsp is playing with a cam as we speak. it's on my desk. it has a gnome on it **

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directhex|bsp:

gnoooooooooome!

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blackest:

cool

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kuil:

when is 0.21 expected to be released?

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Dagmar:

Q2 2009

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justinh:

when it's ready#

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GreyFoxx:

kuil: Likely in just a couple weeks

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justinh:

and 6 months after the last person has asked when it's coming out

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directhex|bsp:

just like duke nukem forever!

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Dagmar:

Ooh!

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Dagmar:

Damn you I was just about to say "Just before Duke Nuke'em Foreever actually makes it to store shelves"

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** directhex|bsp has switched to 0.21-fixes builds already, just hasn't had time to properly tinker **

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GreyFoxx:

Toobad I didn't do the screenshot stuff a couple days earlier or I'd include it in 0.21

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kuil:

well.. I almost 'ditched' mythtv.. untill someone pointed me to latest svn snapshot...

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justinh:

like we'd miss ya :P

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GreyFoxx:

we're hoping to have more frequent releases after this

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GreyFoxx:

0.21 has been a long time coming

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justinh:

hey! a user is gonna jump ship. quick! see to the problem now!!!!

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justinh:

</cynical>

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, you gonna be about this evening so we can try & isolate upnp on ps3 weirdness?

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kuil:

justinh: I just meant that there is totally no news on the mythtv website

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justinh:

everybody is too busy coding

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: Mother-in-laws bday :)

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kuil:

people might/will think there is no progress

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, goddamn mothers in law

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GreyFoxx:

but I'm gonna try and rent one for the weekend

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justinh:

kuil: forgive me if this offends you but who cares about users?

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GreyFoxx:

Cause I wanna get some blueray movies to try on the new tv too :)

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GreyFoxx:

kuil: Yeah that main page only gets updated when there is something to say so many think it's dead

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justinh:

AFAIK mythtv doesn't have any kind of "must atrract new users" in a mission statement or anything

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justinh:

the main website will be getting redone after the release – part of the idea behind that is to make it easier to update

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kuil:

ah

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kuil:

justinh: not only users.. also developers

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directhex|bsp:

developers developers developers developers

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directhex|bsp:

developers developers developers developers

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justinh:

I don't do any of the stuff I do for anybody but me.

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justinh:

I'm not the only one either

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kuil:

:)

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kuil:

but good to see mythtv is still alive and kicking :)

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kuil:

and I am not so easily offended ..

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justinh:

maybe one day I'll learn to relate to the other side of OSS – the side that kisses users' butts

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Daviey:

:O

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, okay, presumably you know libmythupnp fairly well. where do you suggest i start looking? i know actual file streaming is fine (in the mythvideo case), it's something in the folder browsing that's busted

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, you could start with mine

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justinh:

yours?

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directhex|bsp:

<justinh> maybe one day I'll learn to relate to the other side of OSS – the side that kisses users' butts

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Daviey:

i'll show you mine if you show me yours...

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: I'd start in programs/mythbackend/upnpcds* and for videos not recordings programs/mythbackend/upnpmedia*

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RyeBrye:

does the ps3 playback HD content over upnp?

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** RyeBrye wants another excuse to buy a PS3 **

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directhex|bsp:

RyeBrye, if it's *exactly* the right format

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RyeBrye:

So... would an HD HomeRun record QAM or ATSC into *exactly* the right format?

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directhex|bsp:

gak! greengrocer's apostrophe on line 104!

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justinh:

kuil: anyway if mythtv's goals were to attract as many users & devs as possible I think it'd already be doing so

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directhex|bsp:

RyeBrye, MPEG2-TS? probably. keep an eye on the audio codec.

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justinh:

that isn't to so I think it's wrong – it's just not what I'd do :P

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kuil:

but that's still too bad I think

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kuil:

myth could still use a couple of plugins etc..

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kuil:

but anyways.. I am happy again (once minimyth works that is... still have to wait 16 hours)

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justinh:

kuil: anybody is free to come along & help out

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justinh:

the mailing lists are very active

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kuil:

justinh: yeah... I am not of much help I guess... I am a spoiled java programmer :P

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RyeBrye:

kuil – just port the whole thing to Java ;)

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justinh:

I'm not much help either but damnit I have a go

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directhex|bsp:

then port THAT to c#

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RyeBrye:

and then port that to Ruby

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justinh:

then to QBASIC

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RyeBrye:

then to ARM9 assembly

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kuil:

RyeBrye: want to help?

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directhex|bsp:

RyeBrye, so far, all possible

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justinh:

it really needs to run on OS/9

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RyeBrye:

hmm... OS9?

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directhex|bsp:

microsoft os/9 basic, for dragon 32

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RyeBrye:

I want my Mac Classic to run it in black and white... so Mac OS 6.0.8 is my target OS

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RyeBrye:

so I guess I'll have to port it to C / Pascal

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justinh:

I dunno why, when you get talking about developing, everybody turns the subject to porting the whole thing

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kuil:

you can port it to java .. and then port java to os 6 :P

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RyeBrye:

I wonder how hard it will be to get a frontend running on the OpenMoko

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, is there a way without ethernet sniffing to snoop on what actual requests are being made by the ps3?

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directhex|bsp:

RyeBrye, there's already one for n800

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justinh:

like hey look the project is written in c++. get over it & join the party

[15:04:39]

RyeBrye:

That would make it easier then...

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, C++ is fine... it's the QT stuff that messes with my head

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directhex|bsp:

i hope mythtv-player will just work if i hack the proto version to 39, or the wife will be pissed

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justinh:

RyeBrye: it's not too bad

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RyeBrye:

When the OpenMoko freerrunner is released, I might get one of those bad boys and work on a port

[15:06:05]

RyeBrye:

a fullblown frontend running on a phone would be rather sweet

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justinh:

sweet/pointless IMHO

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RyeBrye:

yes.

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RyeBrye:

very pointless

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justinh:

'cool' :D

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: Yeah there are a couple lines in libmythupnp you can uncomment

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RyeBrye:

just like having a beast of a touchscreen phone with 128 megs RAM in it...

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justinh:

'awesome' even

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GreyFoxx:

it shows the full reply, and another to show the full request

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RyeBrye:

My Sony Ericsson P990 just died, and I'm back to using an old-school POS Nokia from the turn of the century... and I've realized...

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RyeBrye:

it still makes and receives calls and texts

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directhex|bsp:

httpserver, at a guess?

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RyeBrye:

so... it works fine

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justinh:

if there's already phone hardware capable of running Quake 3 maybe there'll be no need to port to anything :P

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GreyFoxx:

httprequest has part

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GreyFoxx:

just looking now

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justinh:

ffs my old frontend couldn't run quake 3

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directhex|bsp:

line 251

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GreyFoxx:

yeah that would do the output

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RyeBrye:

Yeah. I'll have to port quake3 first for bencmarks

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directhex|bsp:

quake 3 is highly portable

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GreyFoxx:

and some lines at the top of SendResponseFile just to get the headers

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directhex|bsp:

can you remind me of those files in about 3 hours, when i'll be at home & able to actually test?

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GreyFoxx:

and I think the bottom of parserequest for the request itself

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: look in the log

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GreyFoxx:

I should put in a hidden DB setting for turning them on and off. or add a -v upnpdetails

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, assuming i even remember the convo took place. my memory is *really* shitty

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kuil:

well... thx.. and keep up the goodwork :)

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justinh:

I was thinking about python earlier, trying to fathom why it's hailed as this 'easy to pick up' thing – when I think it's no easier than c++ really. then I realised maybe python is more immediate. no headers, no compiling. that must be it

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blackest:

ok heres a quirky problem when i set something to transcode using nuvexport-xvid --mencoder --nice 8 --input="%FILE%" the file out has audio running at half speed any one got any ideas why ?

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Dagmar:

Yes, all the power of perl, all the pain of raw C.

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justinh:

maybe one day if there are ever enough spare hands around, people could be mentored & more devs could be nutured that way – if anybody could be arsed I mean

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** justinh puts the tree down & stops hugging it **

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Dagmar:

justinh: Doubtful

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Dagmar:

I am still waiting on an apology from someone on LQ for jumping my ass for telling someone "If the answer to the question is `xhost +` then the question must have been a very stupid one."

[15:23:40]

Dagmar:

They went on and on about how, "Oh, yeah, so it disables X security. If this bothers you, unplug the ethernet you paranoid twit."

[15:24:11]

Dagmar:

If the poster doesn't change his tone, *my* tone to them is _going_ to change.

[15:24:17]

Dagmar:

I've been nice for two rounds of this now.

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Dagmar:

It's about time for someone to find out what I really think of their idea of tutelage.

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justinh:

I'd love to be an optimist about the disparity between both sides one day vanishing but I think it's more fun this way

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justinh:

linux didn't turn me into an elistist tw**. it just made me worse

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, bullshit

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, no questions on LQ get actual *answers*!

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Dagmar:

I know. They usually just get wild guesses.

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Dagmar:

It's why I think I'm showing _remarkable_ restraint to these jackasses

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directhex|bsp:

best case scenario

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directhex|bsp:

usually every thread just gets 0 replies

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directhex|bsp:

to be fair, the site does what it says on the tin

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Dagmar:

They refuse to admit that telling someone to do `xhost +` was in any way a bad idea.

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directhex|bsp:

it's linux questions, not linux answers

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Dagmar:

It's a fucking monumentally stupid idea, IMHO.

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justinh:

roflmfao

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, what next, running a desktop as root?

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Dagmar:

I mean, REALLY fucking stupid.

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Dagmar:

So, basically, the next person to even think they're going to "stand up to me" on that thread is going to result in the whole damn place being mocked.

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Dagmar:

Someone even floated the argument that this is just someone's small scale setup, so it doesn't really matter.

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Dagmar:

...and then in the same post, took a pot-shot at me for using casual wording instead of "more professsional" verbiage.

[15:30:12]

Dagmar:

If you want profesional verbiage, _pay me money_. Otehrwise, it's a fucking forum.

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Dagmar:

Definitely don't argue both for being casually sloppy AND professional in the same damn place.

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Dagmar:

That's too easy to mock.

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, "Dear client, run rm -rf for teh epic winz!!! lololloo. Yours sincerely, Dagmar"

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Dagmar:

If you happen across the thread, you'll be astonished that I have not basically called several people there some nasty names already.

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Dagmar:

I'm still thinking I'm being an idiot for not just grinding the one dude into dust over the personal attacks he made.

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justinh:

restraint is for people with lower blood pressure than me

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directhex|bsp:

restraint is for the bottom drawer in the bedroom

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justinh:

and on that note, I must retire in a homewards direction. toodle pip

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directhex|bsp:

tally ho!

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Dagmar:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slack . . . tion-618999/

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Dagmar:

You can see that I also demonstrated remarkable restraint when said joker claimed that "ofcourse that person would need to have a valid local username and passwd." which is VERY not true.

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DustyBin:

i just connected up 24" crt to mythtv via s-video

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DustyBin:

managed to get a nice smooth picture but there is a lot of noise on s-video

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DustyBin:

especially the reds

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DustyBin:

lots of waves running through orange / reds

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DustyBin:

do you think there would be any difference if i used a s-video >> scart lead ?

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directhex|bsp:

no

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DustyBin:

:(

[15:46:08]

DustyBin:

i didnt notice any s-video noise with my 15" philips crt

[15:47:16]

DustyBin:

the noise seems to get worse depending on what settings i use for the screen size

[15:47:48]

DustyBin:

but all in all, it isnt too bad, watching tv is bearable

[15:48:38]

DustyBin:

i also ordered a cambridge audio 5.1 surround amp and quad lite speakers + sub

[15:49:03]

DustyBin:

the speakers look in good condition, but when i opened the amp box, the remote control was missing?!

[15:49:15]

DustyBin:

i then turned it on, and a really loud buzzing sound came out of it

[15:49:17]

DustyBin:

bastards

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directhex|bsp:

what res are you using?

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DustyBin:

i rang richer sounds up and they said a manager will ring me back

[15:50:03]

DustyBin:

directhex|bsp: the res on s-video is set to 1024x768

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Dagmar:

Ah-ha!

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DustyBin:

what res should it be set to? my CRT is 16:9

[15:50:57]

DustyBin:

24"

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Dagmar:

DustyBin: Your first mistake was listening to the manager

[15:51:11]

Dagmar:

I *despise* those people.

[15:51:22]

DustyBin:

Dagmar: i havent spoke to the manager yet, im waiting for him to ring me

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Dagmar:

At one of the nicer malls around San Francisco, I was idling around with a friend of mine when the salesman from the Cambridge place asked us to step inside for a demo

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iamlindoro:

The res for s-video should be no more than 720x480 or 720x576 if you want it to look its best...

[15:52:17]

iamlindoro:

(depending on your region NTSC vs. PAL, that is

[15:52:33]

DustyBin:

im in UK, PAL, i didnt realise that, ill test that out

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Dagmar:

Being that my friend had been previously majoring in recording industry management and sound production, and _hearing loss_ made him change over to technical stuff, we thought it would be interesting to hear a really _good_ stereo.

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, lower it

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Dagmar:

We put with him for about 10 minutes and then I called a stop to it.

[15:53:17]

Dagmar:

They were demoing some recording of some symphony.

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Dagmar:

Bad luck for him I spent four years *in* a symphony

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directhex|bsp:

bah

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directhex|bsp:

DustyBin, lower it

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DustyBin:

hehe

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Dagmar:

"Blah blah blah sounds just like you're onstage blah blah blah"

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DustyBin:

directhex|bsp: ok dude ill try it

[15:54:20]

DustyBin:

i managed to get some highly rated quad lite surround speakers + sub, reduced from £1000 to £500

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Dagmar:

I told him "if that's what those instruments sound like onstage, then they should take the fucking tshirts out of the tubas, and stop using plastic soda straws for oboe reeds"

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DustyBin:

lol

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Dagmar:

Even my partially deaf friend could hear that it sounded like ass.

[15:55:19]

Dagmar:

Don't trust a _word_ those guys tell you at the store.

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Chutt:

um

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Dagmar:

If they tell you that a $20 bill changes into two fives and ten ones, _count the money yourself_

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Chutt:

stereo store in a _mall_

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Chutt:

:p

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Dagmar:

Chutt: I can assure you that standalone locations aren't any better.

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Dagmar:

There's a "high end" audio store around here I got dragged to by someone looking to get a set of turntables for DJ work

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Dagmar:

You couldn't broadcast what I told those guys on TV. The FCC would have to have me shot.

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Dagmar:

Hint: Don't tell someone they should be getting belt-driven turntables _in front of an actual DJ_

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** directhex|bsp slaps Dagmar with a belt **

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Dagmar:

About the only difference between most audio salesmen and the guys selling speakers in a white van is that someone has to wash the van every once in awhile.

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Dagmar:

directhex: dude, he made a few blatantly false statements about needles, too.

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blackest:

f.. tv liciencing

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blackest:

just had a guy on my door step

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, next you'll suggest using a $10,000 power cable doesn't improve the "warmth" of your cds!

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directhex|bsp:

blackest, so?

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blackest:

funny thing was he was looking john locke

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blackest:

for

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Dagmar:

You didn't pay the 10 quid or whatever?

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, about 130 quid a year

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blackest:

10 quid its 135

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blackest:

or about $270

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Dagmar:

Well, I was thinking monthly, and there were actual squids involved in the picture in my head.

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Dagmar:

I pay far more for that each year for cable, and the programming isn't that great.

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, are the squids rollin' and scratchin'?

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Dagmar:

s/for that/than that/;

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blackest:

what i didnt tell him was john locke is a character in lost

[16:00:12]

Dagmar:

directhex: Kind of squishing and squelching actually

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hashbang:

Dagmar: I agree. A single ticket for a film at the cinema is 4.50–8GBP

[16:00:42]

Dagmar:

blackest: Way to bring down the state of culture there

[16:00:42]

hashbang:

blackest: er, named after a philosopher.

[16:00:58]

blackest:

you need a licience for a house who's name goes on it ;)

[16:01:20]

Dagmar:

The actual _important_ John Locke wrote a lot of stsuff about social contract and government.

[16:01:40]

hashbang:

Dagmar: ironic, really. :-)

[16:01:53]

blackest:

well this john locke the tv licience people want to prosecute however ...

[16:02:22]

Dagmar:

Next time tell them to just look through his screencam and figure out which house he's in before they go out.

[16:02:38]

blackest:

I thought it an appropriate name at the time

[16:03:26]

blackest:

for pretty much the same reasons as dagmar said

[16:03:49]

Dagmar:

I suspect the actual Locke would approve of the fee.

[16:04:12]

blackest:

i once lived in a house and letters were turning up for counciltax in the name of gandi

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blackest:

i had no responsibilty for that one

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nexact:

hello all, where can I find mythconverg database to import into my mysql server.. ? thanks

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iamlindoro:

in the myth source database/mc.sql

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nexact:

thx.

[16:05:38]

nemik:

so i have an 2.4GHz P4 with an nvidia 6200 running on ubuntu. 720p HD content (MKV x264) looks like crap (skipping). is hardware the problem here?

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directhex|bsp:

nemik, yes

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iamlindoro:

yup, your hardware is too slow

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directhex|bsp:

nemik, MOAR MHZ!

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nexact:

/usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql :-)

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blackest:

nemik wireless networking ?

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nemik:

blackest: yea

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Dagmar:

nemik: Almost anything x264 == ADD MOAR MEGAHURTZ

[16:06:39]

nemik:

but latency is not the issue

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directhex|bsp:

MOAR!

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blackest:

nemik try it wired

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iamlindoro:

it's not a network issue. Processor far too slow. 2.4 Ghz P4 can barely handle MPEG-2 content, let alone h.264

[16:07:07]

nemik:

damnit! so...1.8GHz dual-core would be better?

[16:07:17]

iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

so long as it's a decent dual core, read: Core 2 Duo

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: my Celeron 1.7 copes fine with DVB MPEG playback. That's MPEG-2, right?

[16:07:45]

nemik:

not AMD x2?

[16:07:51]

directhex|bsp:

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:Cockatielmoar.jpg

[16:08:02]

iamlindoro:

AMD should be ok-ish, I trust C2D more personally

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, that's because it's bettar

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hashbang:

nemik: have you enabled XvMC?

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nemik:

yea same here. how about graphics card then? does it matter?

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iamlindoro:

hashbang, XvMc is going to do jack and shit for h.264

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directhex|bsp:

hashbang, mpeg2 at 576p is very different to h264 at 720p in terms of cpu consumption

[16:08:41]

iamlindoro:

since it only works on mpeg-2

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Dagmar:

directhex: God I love Sherrod's site

[16:08:59]

nemik:

hashbang: yea, tried with it on and off, sucks both. but it's mpeg-2 only, right? fucking incomplete nvidia drivers....

[16:09:06]

directhex|bsp:

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:MoarCAT.jpg

[16:09:09]

** hashbang shrugs **

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hashbang:

I thought XvMC was touted as being the key to HDTV playback

[16:09:30]

hashbang:

but I don't really pay much attention to HD-related stuff

[16:09:32]

nemik:

for mpg2 maybe

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iamlindoro:

XvMc is the key to frustration

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iamlindoro:

and if you have enough processor, you should avoid it entirely

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: yeah, I don't use it either.

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directhex|bsp:

"-lavdopts skiploopfilter=all " is the key to hdtv playback

[16:10:02]

nemik:

xvmc wasn't too bad to set up, but again won't do anything for x264

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Dagmar:

hashbang: Provided you have mpg HD, sure.

[16:10:07]

hashbang:

iamlindoro: and I wish nVidia's Xv output properly when interlaced.

[16:10:09]

directhex|bsp:

actually, that might help nemik

[16:10:46]

iamlindoro:

x264 = a piece of encoding software. h.264 = a video codec

[16:11:04]

nemik:

so with a faster CPU would processor matter or could crappy built-in nvidia 6150 be fine?

[16:11:07]

nexact:

why does mythfilldatabase is not able to connect with mythtv account.. but im able with mysql client.. access denied.

[16:11:14]

nexact:

both passwd is the same

[16:11:44]

iamlindoro:

nemik, any nVidia GPU 5200+ will be functionally the same, it's all processor

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directhex|bsp:

nemik, using mplayer for playback?

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nemik:

iamlindoro: ok cool i can keep my 6200 then but it's AGP... :/

[16:13:19]

nemik:

directhex|bsp: mplayer, tried xine, mythtv Internal, all of them

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nemik:

mplayer with xv actually looks great and smooth but audio loses sync VERY often

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directhex|bsp:

nemik, svn mplayer?

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nemik:

directhex|bsp: ubuntu one and svn, smae

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nemik:

s/smae/same

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directhex|bsp:

"-lavdopts skiploopfilter=all"

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Vaelys:

--funloop 8

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nemik:

directhex|bsp: mplayer arg?

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nemik:

and stupid question but...using a DVI cable over the current VGA would not matter, correct?

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iamlindoro:

not in terms of ability to play back

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iamlindoro:

DVI would look nicer, but that's all

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nemik:

iamlindoro: tried both actually and seriously cannot tell the difference. tv has vga input anyway so works fine.

[16:22:18]

justinh:

Dagmar: I'd only ever trust my eyes & ears. trouble is, getting audio gear demoed in a realistic context is easy. TVs, much less so

[16:23:06]

justinh:

DustyBin: maybe VGA-SCART is the answer for you til you buy into the hype about hd ;)

[16:23:16]

Dagmar:

Then this is a win for the fact that most of the LCD TVs have their panel made by one of exactly three companies.

[16:23:35]

Dagmar:

Samsung, LG, or I forget the third one

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Dagmar:

rhia: I'm meming that link, by the way

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Dagmar:

Ack. Wrong chan

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justinh:

Dagmar: sadly the electronics wot drive them isn't usually a known quantity though. that can make or break a good panel

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directhex|bsp:

LG.Philips LCD, S-LCD, and Sharp

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justinh:

and while there may only be 3 panel manufacturers, there are way more than just the different sizes to think about

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blackest:

heres a thing can i export /var/lib/mythtv/recordings and mount it on another machine that already has /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/ ??

[16:28:07]

justinh:

hell even grey boxes which look very similar on the outside can be completely different in real terms

[16:28:25]

justinh:

blackest: why? myth streams everyfink

[16:28:38]

justinh:

tv-wise anyway

[16:28:47]

nexact:

how can I test if my capture card actually works ?

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directhex|bsp:

ask it nicely

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justinh:

nexact: depends very much on what kind of card it is

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blackest:

well there is the inability for mythweb to stream flash from a slave backend

[16:29:19]

nexact:

justdave, bt878 video, bttv.

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blackest:

yuck try xawtv

[16:29:33]

justinh:

nexact: I'm not justdave. don't insult the guy

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blackest:

or tvtime

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nexact:

sorry. it's still early here. ;-)

[16:30:17]

nexact:

thanks, ill try.

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blackest:

you'd be better getting a different card

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justinh:

anyway – wow! somebody asking how to test their tuner before mythtv. I'll be needing to sit down

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blackest:

the audio is going to be a problem nexact

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nexact:

blackest, okay.. which cards should I get ?

[16:32:20]

nexact:

I guess it depends on my needs... my TV only have s-video and rca input

[16:32:22]

blackest:

well depends where you are but analogue a pvr 150 is good

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hashbang:

nexact: but if you have DVB, then a digital tuner is great.

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blackest:

or a dvb-t or s card maybe for digital

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nexact:

cool.. i'll get a new one.

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** hashbang <3 DVB tuner cards **

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blackest:

justin must be sitting down by now ;)

[16:34:01]

nexact:

I've loaded mythtv on my AMD2800+, I guess it will be sufficent for recording / playback ?

[16:34:26]

blackest:

how much ram ?

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hashbang:

nexact: my celeron 1.7 manages simultaneous recording from 3 DVB tuners, and playback

[16:34:52]

nexact:

756mram, 500gigs hd.

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nexact:

woot then.. :-)

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blackest:

that'll be a nice machine

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hashbang:

nexact: and the playback is the hard part

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hashbang:

nexact: recording is like 8% CPU

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hashbang:

nexact: playback is 30–40%

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nexact:

Heheh ;)

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blackest:

what graphics card have you got

[16:36:19]

nexact:

I will have to buy a new TV ;-)

[16:36:26]

nexact:

gforce 6800GT

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blackest:

cant fault it :)

[16:37:35]

nexact:

WINTV-PVR 150, 100 bucks

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blackest:

i don't know american prices but that seems ok

[16:39:39]

nexact:

but hmm, is mythtv usable with numeric signal ?

[16:39:45]

hashbang:

I use a Geforce 440MX

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hashbang:

nexact: with a DVB signal, you mean?

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nexact:

it's a dvb signal ? eheh :-) yes.

[16:40:37]

nexact:

digital video broadcast.. yup.

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nexact:

i'll have to load channel to get frequency and everything will be fine ?

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blackest:

should be

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nexact:

mm okay..

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blackest:

I don't really know anything about american tv

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nexact:

i'll use it on my analogue

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nexact:

I'm in Canada ;)

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blackest:

close enough

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nexact:

heheh, wish I could be in Europe.

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directhex|bsp:

america, along with global powerhouses puerto rico and guam, uses atsc instead of dvb-t for over-the-air digital

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blackest:

the pvr150 will take in anything through the composite in and turn it into mpeg2 dvb-t and s is mpeg-2 already

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Dagmar:

Hey there, how about picking up the phone and calling Mr. Comma to see how his life's been lately?

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directhex|bsp:

i'd say it was a job for mrs semicolon

[16:46:06]

Dagmar:

Your opinion would be more highly valued if you had a shift key.

[16:46:32]

directhex|bsp:

my shift key would be more highly valued if you had a... wait, that doesn't work

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blackest:

mine is dodgy at best , my god daughter pulled it off and it hasn't worked quite right since.

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directhex|bsp:

ciao

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blackest:

if you ever want a laptop keyboard taken apart get a one year old

[16:49:33]

f4lt3r_:

who can help me with an IR-Receiver?

[16:49:37]

f4lt3r_:

http://www.cesko.host.sk/IgorPlugUSB/IgorPlug . . . AVR)_eng.htm

[16:49:48]

f4lt3r_:

does it work with lirc?

[16:50:57]

nemik:

anyone tried CoreAVC on linux with mplayer for HD stuff?

[16:51:33]

iamlindoro:

Gah, if only there was some site or something where you could type in words that might appear together on a relevant page with your problem/solution and it would show you those pages...

[16:52:37]

iamlindoro:

You could call it something that at first sounds like nonsense but at second glance refers to the large number of pages indexed...

[16:53:33]

nemik:

:/

[16:53:41]

iamlindoro:

You know what would be *extra* funny? If the words "Igor Cesko's USB IR Receiver" occurred on the very top page of lirc.org.

[16:54:03]

iamlindoro:

nemik, CoreAVC in linux has many many drawbacks

[16:54:11]

nemik:

oh, you weren't refering to me! thanks

[16:54:39]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro: besides square peg in a round hole?

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nemik:

iamlindoro: i thought it would but i'm rather lothe to buy a new system. i'd like to see just how much i could stretch this thing

[16:55:39]

f4lt3r_:

i dont know the domain of lirc

[16:56:10]

iamlindoro:

nemik, as ffmpeg's h.264 handling has improved, the gap between the two has narrowed a bit, not to mention it's pretty crash prone, doesn't work on 64 bit compiled myth, requires myth to be patched and recompiled, etc., etc.

[16:56:26]

iamlindoro:

f4lt3r_, and googling the word "LIRC" is out of the question why?

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f4lt3r_:

no its not out of the question ;)

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iamlindoro:

nemik, I'm also not 100% that the patch would even apply on myth any more (not that you couldn't patch an old revision)... in fact, i'm rather doubtful it would

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f4lt3r_:

ok then i will built a layout and next week it is ready bacause at work i make the board :)

[17:00:05]

AndyCap:

is there any hardware h.264 on the horizon. Saw some muttering about it from LCA @ lwn.net

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AndyCap:

hmm, people making surveillance recorders have h264 encoders at least.

[17:03:15]

AndyCap:

My eyes! http://www.dvrsystems.net/

[17:03:20]

iamlindoro:

AndyCap, The upcoming hauppauge HD PVR will do hardware encoding of h.264 up to 1080, and the Plextor firewire box works now, at SD resolutions

[17:04:27]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro: yeah. saw mkrufky mention that. :) was thinking more of playback right now. Not sure if I'll have any analogue hd sources.

[17:04:54]

GreyFoxx:

I can't wait to hear about the stability and image quality of the HD PVR's

[17:05:00]

GreyFoxx:

I might find those useful

[17:05:02]

iamlindoro:

AndyCap, In that case I think the closest we've got right now is the fact that Intel has released complete specs for their graphics chipsets

[17:05:07]

jams:

iamlindoro- plextor firewire ?

[17:05:10]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, you and me both

[17:05:45]

AndyCap:

hopefully the X devs will fight it out over video acceleration architecture. :)

[17:06:05]

iamlindoro:

jams, I'd have to dig it up to find it, but it's not a tuner, just one of their analog->firewire bridges, so you'd need to use an external tuner and IR blaster... there is a V4L driver for it, though

[17:06:11]

jams:

and in the prcoess fix the intel driver

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jams:

huh i could see that being useful to some people

[17:09:32]

iamlindoro:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_go7007

[17:09:45]

iamlindoro:

But looks like I was mistaken, it's h.263 instead of h.264

[17:09:52]

iamlindoro:

still Mpeg-4 but obviously not exactly the same

[17:10:03]

Dagmar:

Aw man I hate those cheap Taiwanese knockoff codecs.

[17:10:16]

jams:

iamlindoro- thats usb not firewire

[17:10:25]

iamlindoro:

jams, yup

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jams:

i have one of those =)

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jams:

don't use it though as the driver REQUIRES that you use alsa

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jams:

OSS is still the best!

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Dagmar:

I can't believe no one called me on that "knockoff" crack

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nemik:

iamlindoro: i probably wouldn't mess with myth and making it work with coreAVC. i was planning on trying it with mplayer

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nemik:

iamlindoro: do you use ubuntu? would there be a diff in compiling from svn versus gutsy's mplayer install? i guess between the rc1 and rc2 if h264 handling improved

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iamlindoro:

nemik, SVN mplayer is substantially better than any packaged version

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zkx:

gotta love ASS support, and forcing ass styles on all subs

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nemik:

iamlindoro: cool. thank you

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iamlindoro:

np

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justinh:

AndyCap: h.264 for cctv sucks bad style

[18:12:21]

justinh:

great storage times but man do the images ever suck

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justinh:

the only use for h,264 in cctv is for remote & mobile viewing. jpeg2000 & regular jpeg ftw

[18:13:27]

Dagmar:

jpeg2000 for teh patent suckage

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justinh:

companies don't mind doing the license dance

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AndyCap:

and some of them plain ignore the licensing alltogether.

[18:16:13]

** AndyCap has a hard time believing that every cheap gadget that comes out of china has crossed every patent t. **

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justinh:

I work for a cctv dvr manufacturer & I know how bad most of the competition sucks

[18:17:31]

justinh:

but suckage doesn't matter to some customers unfortunately. cost does. sometimes they realise by the time it's too late & the video evidence they need isn't usable

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AndyCap:

Heh. what else is new.

[18:18:29]

justinh:

I'd prolly go as far as saying that at least 60% of all cctv systems are no use at all, either due to using shite gear or incorrect installation & setup

[18:19:07]

AndyCap:

unless there's some preventive effect. (which according to recent studies in the UK isn't all that great)

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justinh:

there was a robbery at a big cash warehouse a while back. our gear was used in there. in the cash counting area they had the dvr set to record at 3 pics/sec across 8 cameras

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Kazan:

walmart has thrown in for blu ray

[18:19:16]

Kazan:

it's over

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Kazan:

blu ray wins

[18:19:58]

Kazan:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/15/technology/wa . . . ay/index.htm

[18:20:02]

** justinh pinches himself. a sony format winning something? nah it can't really be happening **

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AndyCap:

Kazan: there's still a lot of money in play.

[18:20:58]

Kazan:

it also sounds like toshiba is giving up

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justinh:

AndyCap: that was the securitas thing btw. our guy went down to help extract evidence – in one frame a table was clear. in the next the table had a big hammer on it. next frame the hammer was gone.

[18:21:06]

Kazan:

though that is speculative

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AndyCap:

justinh: still, people must be cheap if they can't afford a decent amount of storage these days

[18:22:44]

justinh:

AndyCap: 1TB buys you about a month of storage at a laughable framerate over 16 cameras

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justinh:

at decent image Q

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AndyCap:

and decent framerate? 25 tb?

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AndyCap:

or even 4 if you're at 3/fps

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justinh:

these outfits just don't have the space for 25TB

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justinh:

then with the police requesting places keep images for 3 months or more... eesh

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AndyCap:

yet they can afford 16 cameras. Wonder how the casinos figure the cost/benefit. :)

[18:24:39]

AndyCap:

3 months? that's pretty slow police work. :)

[18:24:58]

justinh:

and no, no no – the big bosses at the company won't hear of putting fibrechannel in our kit. ESATA :-\

[18:25:00]

AndyCap:

or do they hope to catch someone casing the joint

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justinh:

they want _enterprise_ business, think enterprise!

[18:25:23]

AndyCap:

justinh: ahh. there's a perfect solution for cheapskates. ATA over ethernet. :P

[18:25:45]

AndyCap:

you can smell the data loss from a mile away.

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justinh:

AndyCap: rofl. you should see where our machines generally have to live. not some nicely cooled rack

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Dagmar:

The Casinos basically have a slider on the wall upstairs that controls all the slot machines, and over it is one word "PROFIT". At the low end of the slider is the word "MORE" and at the high end of the slider is the word "LOTS MOAR"

[18:26:33]

justinh:

I've seen pics of casino security. rooms & rooms full of recorders

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: which equates to buying storage for the billions and billions of cameras

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justinh:

AndyCap: loads of em are still on VHS because to do it digitally is just way too much money still

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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Dagmar:

AndyCap: That's what the "LOTS MOAR" setting is for.

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justinh:

and they keep images for a _long_ time

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Dagmar:

Thirty minutes of that, and they can buy North Dakota.

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Hilikus:

any suggestions on how toget rid of a damn ground loop? i've had it since i built my pvr

[18:29:25]

Hilikus:

i tried changing to sound source to my dvd instead of my STB and theres no hum, so i know its not a defect in the tuner card or something in my pc, it is actually the series of connections

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Dagmar:

10ga wire.

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Dagmar:

Run it from everything to an actual ground.

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Dagmar:

...or get ready to replace wall outlets.

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Dagmar:

time for me to leave the office yaay!

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Hilikus:

but where would it connect to

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AndyCap:

uhm, ground? http://www.epanorama.net/documents/groundloop/

[18:33:56]

Hilikus:

no, the other end

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justinh:

the equipment chassis

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justinh:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FHb5KtVT9Fo – very bad groundin!

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justinh:

_VERY_ bad

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AndyCap:

someone should consider a galvanic isolator perhaps

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Hilikus:

wow, that guys crazy

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Hilikus:

i wouldnt try to reproduce that

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Hilikus:

so my problem is that my cable's ground is not the same as my power outlet's ground?? im still wrapping my head around this ground loop issue

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whodat:

sometimes after i start watching somethign 20 minutes after it started recording, and hasnt finished yet, the progress bar indicates its a two hour show instead of a one hour show. (and i have seen it jump back and forth each time i fast forward)....?

[18:41:12]

justinh:

Hilikus: that'll be the nub of it

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justinh:

I bet the hum goes away when you unplug the cable cable

[18:41:55]

Hilikus:

justinh so i run a wire from my PC chassis to my STB chassis?? is that it?

[18:42:21]

Hilikus:

let me try, i did notice the hum goes away when i use coaxial instead of svideo

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justinh:

best thing to do is ground everything to a single point which is actual ground

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Hilikus:

yea, no coaxial in in the STM = no hum

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Hilikus:

STB*

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directhex:

hm. epic fail playing mp4/h264/aac files with internal in trunk

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directhex:

switching to mplayer means i can play mp4 files, but it's pretty crappy that it's required

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justinh:

ugh there's much to this than I realised :(

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directhex:

to what?

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justinh:

to the stuff I was planning to do this weekend

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justinh:

rejiggling ui.xml for way less duplication of common elements

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directhex:

has there been any recent known issue where the "file types" config window of mythvideo is utterly buggered?

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Hilikus:

hey guys, what do you consider a transparent encoding bitrate?

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directhex:

transparent?

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jams:

directhex- recent svn and older themes will cause that

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Hilikus:

a rate where it looks the same as live tv directly from the STB

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Hilikus:

\transparent, you cant tell the difference

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directhex:

jams, it's not imagined then. okay, worth knowing

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directhex:

jams, i suspected it'd be something like that

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justinh:

directhex: dunno. wouldn't be surprised with my themes

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Hilikus:

cause i need to know if its just that im encoding at a low bitrate or its just the tv tuner card or video out card thats degrading the signal

[20:10:31]

Hilikus:

it looks ok, but not exactly as the original signal

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justinh:

Hilikus: you'll always be able to tell a difference

[20:10:39]

Hilikus:

really??

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Hilikus:

:S

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justinh:

even with an analogue tivo

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justinh:

even with a dvd recorder

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Hilikus:

why is that

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directhex:

transcoding kills quality

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justinh:

because encoding isn't lossless

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Hilikus:

isnt the cable signal mpeg 2 too?

[20:11:41]

Hilikus:

i thought cable signals were encoded

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directhex:

Hilikus, if you're recording from an analog video link, it doesn't matter what the source is

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directhex:

Hilikus, i.e. if you're using s-video or somesuch

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justinh:

Hilikus: if you have digital cable, it starts life as digital, so no degradation there

[20:13:04]

Hilikus:

it is digital cable, but the connection from the wall to the STB is coax which i believe is analog

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justinh:

you've introduced A/D – D/A steps in there

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justinh:

Hilikus: it's digital when it comes into the STB

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Hilikus:

so even STB to tv directly, using svideo is D/A?

[20:14:03]

justinh:

yeah

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Hilikus:

i see

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justinh:

so it's going D/D – D/A – A/D (to mythtv) to D/A

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Hilikus:

and the tv tunner card is another a/d, and tv out is another d/a

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Hilikus:

?

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justinh:

yups

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justinh:

encoding one lossy format to another results in .. yet more loss too

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Hilikus:

even if its the same format?

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directhex:

try going to babelfish.altavista.com and translate "bite the wax tadpole" into italian and back

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justinh:

Hilikus: especially

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directhex:

Hilikus, it's not the same fomat. when it goes through svideo, it stops being ancoded data, and becomes analog video

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Hilikus:

oh right

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justinh:

you do multiple encode passes on an mpeg2 file & see what happens

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directhex:

really, try the translation test

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** directhex encodes justinh losslessly **

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justinh:

encode a dvd clip to another file, then encode that file to another file. compare the quality

[20:16:57]

justinh:

anyway, bottom line is YES there's some loss. there's always gonna be that loss unless you can get the digital cable directly into mythtv

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Hilikus:

k

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Hilikus:

so, you think increasing the bitrate wont do much? i.e. is the "bottleneck" the card encoding or it's all the a/d d/a transformations?

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justinh:

there's no 'bottleneck'

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justinh:

even if you encode it at the top bitrate you'll still notice a difference between the STB directly into the TV and with mythtv in the way

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justinh:

all you can do is minimise the loss

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justinh:

Hilikus: check your recording profiles. make sure the resolution is 720x480 for NTSC or 720x576 for PAL. when I 1st got my pvr150 the default was 480x480 which looked more like VHS

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Hilikus:

i know, what im asking is, what degrades the signal the most? if its the a/d d/a then theres no point of encoding at higher bitrates, but if its mostly the encoding, encoding at max would give me the best quality possible

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justinh:

resolution makes the biggest difference first

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Hilikus:

is that in the backend or frontend setup? i always forget

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justinh:

after that, in terms of mpeg2 artifacts on moving picture elements the bitrate is next

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justinh:

Hilikus: mythfrontend

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Hilikus:

i do notice fast moving artifact

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justinh:

Hilikus: thing is, the cable STB probably exhibits them to an extent too

[20:22:18]

Hilikus:

what do u mean

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justinh:

I mean what I just said

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Hilikus:

why or how?

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justinh:

as in – the cable STB output probably has mpeg2 encoding artifacts present on its output too

[20:23:22]

Hilikus:

whats the reason for exhibitin them

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Hilikus:

oh no, but if i connect the STB directly to tv i dont notice them

[20:23:44]

justinh:

because mpeg2 treats the picture as a load of 8x8 pixel squares

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Hilikus:

they might be there

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Hilikus:

but unnoticeable

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justinh:

if you notice artifacts like that, try increasing the bitrate. bear in mind that doing that will result in larger recorded files

[20:25:02]

justinh:

with mpeg it's always a tradeoff between quality & the space it takes up

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Hilikus:

yeah, im waiting for my bigger hdd before doing that

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justinh:

same for any lossy format

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justinh:

I used to have my bitrate set around 4Mbits/sec. can't say I ever noticed any artifacts

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Hilikus:

so you think i should just try greater bitrates until i'm "happy" or you have an estimate of when increasing bitrate will not be the noticeable factor but more the transcoding and a/d conversion

[20:26:54]

justinh:

what you might also be noticing is interlacing too – if you've not yet enabled deinterlacing in tv playback settings then things which move horizontally will have a pronounced 'combing' effect

[20:27:05]

justinh:

Hilikus: quality is in the eye of the beholder

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justinh:

experiment. all it'll cost you is time

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Hilikus:

what mpeg decoder do you recommend? im currently using standard

[20:29:16]

Hilikus:

and also, i thought deinterlacing wasnt needed if you were using a regular CRT tv

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bradd:

where does mythweb get color/style info for the video page? changing video.css.php has no effect..

[20:32:55]

bradd:

trying to change the color of the directory structure box and the individual boxes that have the videos in them

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blackest:

you just missed the man who knows but its in the theme somewhere

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** directhex apt-get sources **

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iamlindoro:

justinh doesn't do mythweb, xris does

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iamlindoro:

and it's not in a theme, it's very likely in mythweb/modules somewhere

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iamlindoro:

and if not there then in mythweb/skins somewhere

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bradd:

ive been messing with mythweb/skins

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bradd:

the video.css.php has 0 effect

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bradd:

none of the css files that are included in the page source seem to have any effect on this one page

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iamlindoro:

you are trying to change text on the mythvideo page, right? Not recorded programs, etc?

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bradd:

im trying to chabnge the color of the boxes on the video page

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bradd:

ive successfully "ported" the default skin to use the grey colors..all except this video page

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iamlindoro:

why don't you look at the page source? then follow the classes back until you find them in the css...

[20:42:14]

bradd:

i did

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justinh:

oh gawd. 222 unread emails

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bradd:

ill say it again

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bradd:

video.css.php has 0 effect

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iamlindoro:

then you're not reading very carefully. But thanks to your attitude, I'm not inclined to help you any further.

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bradd:

heh

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bradd:

what have i not read carefully?

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iamlindoro:

Ill say it again...

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iamlindoro:

I'm not inclined to help you any further

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bradd:

awesokme thanks

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justinh:

someday I'm gonna have to have a bash at mythweb skinning

[20:44:30]

justinh:

I keep threatening to

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bradd:

hmm..maybe this is the problem:

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bradd:

<a class="" href="/mythweb/video?path=/">All Videos</a><br>

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directhex:

directhex@despair:/tmp/mythtv-0.20.99+trunk15814$ dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot

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justinh:

bradd: trunk mythweb?

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bradd:

its svn trunk mythweb

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bradd:

href="/mythweb/dcss/video.css.php">

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bradd:

which doesnt exist

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justinh:

then maybe the fact you can't change the colour is tied into the fact it doesn't have a class

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justinh:

or it's just inherited it from somewhere you haven't worked out yet. just stabbing in the dark

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justinh:

in 0.20.x all the links use the 'recorded' class

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bradd:

yea ...that was my thought also but i cant seem to find where to change it

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bradd:

according to the source..the one part im at least trying to change used the video class

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justinh:

what about taking a screenshot, going into an image editor & finding out what the RGB is, then grep fer it :P

[20:58:46]

bradd:

or maybe path..im not exactly an html expert

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bradd:

that is an option i guess

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directhex:

i'd have thought that was an obvious thing to try

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bradd:

lazy

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edman007:

i'm getting this error in dmesg, mythcommflag[8983]: segfault at b7fa5b00 eip b7fa5b00 esp bfb550fc error 4, and its repeated a few times with a different PID (though the hex stuff is the same), anyone have a guess as to why?

[21:04:26]

Dagmar:

It's crashing

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Dagmar:

Did you just pull SVN or something?

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edman007:

nope, i recently updated the kernel and ivtv, but mythtv has been untouched for a while and i don't remember ever seeing this before

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Dagmar:

WEird. How far back do your logs go?

[21:07:31]

Dagmar:

IF the kernel you build was bad, that _could_ have caused it.

[21:07:47]

Dagmar:

...but frequent segfaults out of nowhere are usually RAM going bad, which is not good.

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Dagmar:

What about your /tmp

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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edman007:

Dagmar, over a month, the crashing started the day i recompiled my kernel :/

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edman007:

which was monday

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Dagmar:

Revert!

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Dagmar:

Danger will robinson! heh

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edman007:

:(

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edman007:

i upgraded because of the root exploit...

[21:10:37]

edman007:

revert would pretty much mean i reintroduce that...

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Dagmar:

anyone logging into your myth box but you?

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edman007:

i don't think so...but the ports are open :/

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iamlindoro:

use iptables to limit ssh login attempts to one per minute, set a strong password, and the liklihood of any brute force attack becomes next to none

[21:14:32]

iamlindoro:

well, any brute force attack succeeding, that is

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AndyCap:

or look at denyhosts or fail2ban for a more canned solution

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iamlindoro:

yup, good solutions too-- point being, it's awfully easy to make it so painful to even TRY to get into your box that it becomes pretty impervious

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iamlindoro:

and don't set your password to 12345 like on my luggage ;)

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zabadapp:

put the sshd on a different port and have AllowUsers (you_user) in sshd_conf

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Dagmar:

Somewhere down the end of http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/rc.firewall are about a half-screenful of iptables invocations that keeps someone from trying to ssh in more than once about every 15 seconds.

[21:18:27]

Dagmar:

It logs once when someone connects, then again saying the connection was stifled, and then that's pretty much it.

[21:18:46]

** edman007 wonders why people are talking about ssh now... **

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iamlindoro:

"<edman007> i don't think so...but the ports are open :/"

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edman007:

iamlindoro, ssh is closed

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Dagmar:

If it's a standalone machine, you can just iptables the thing

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iamlindoro:

If you've got two brain cells to rub together, you should be tunneling most things through ssh and closing everything else

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edman007:

and i'm on a private network, with maybe 1000 people on it

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro: password on your luggage? I guess you don't travel by plane these days

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iamlindoro:

so? tunneling everything through SSH and use iptables rules still applies

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iamlindoro:

AndyCap, see: Spaceballs

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Dagmar:

edman: Unless those people are normally allowed to use your box remotely, you shoudln't really have any problem just firewalling out everyone but you

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Dagmar:

We're way past the days when a fragmented packet technique will slip past iptables

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Dagmar:

s/will slip past iptables/would slip past ipchains/;

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Dagmar:

Man it's been so long I can't remember what the 2.2 kernel's mechanism was called

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edman007:

Dagmar, its a college, with a very small percentage of competent users on the network, and nobody but me has shell access

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sid3windr:

Dagmar: ipfwadm

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sid3windr:

but yeah 2.6 is many years old by now .. :)

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AndyCap:

ipfwadm was 2.0

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AndyCap:

and older iirc. 2.2 had ipchains, 2.4 got iptables/netfilter

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sid3windr:

hmm, true

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sid3windr:

hehe

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Dagmar:

sid3windr: Ahh thanks!

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Dagmar:

I could only remember "ipfw-something"

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directhex:

justinh would have a hernia if he knew channel 4 were curently showing youtube videos full-screen

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tjcarter:

Okay, I have dumb firewire channel changing questions.

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tjcarter:

And they just answered themselves.

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tjcarter:

behold the power of #MythTV-users!

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xris:

tjcarter: sometimes all it takes is asking the question. :) then your mythbox fixes itself.

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Dagmar:

Sometimes the moment you've framed the question in your head, it becomes obvious.

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mchou:

Truer words were never spoken

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main:

Hello I have MythTv working fine with one game controller but when i put a 2nd one in the first stops working any ideas?

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Dibblah:

main: I don't think Myth does multiplayer...

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main:

eh i

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main:

was using myth to run roms

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main:

i think i got it now

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Hoxzer:

What happened to the multirec branch ?

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iamlindoro:

it became the regular branch

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iamlindoro:

or rather, was merged into it

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Hoxzer:

ok, is it inlcuded in 21-fixes ?

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Hoxzer:

*0.21-fiex

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iamlindoro:

s/branch/trunk/

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iamlindoro:

yes

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Hoxzer:

... trunk or 0.21-fixes or both ?

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jams:

all 3

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Hoxzer:

Oh yeah, I need to compile that cool!

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directhex:

x-av-client-info: av=5.0; cn="Sony Computer Entertainment"; mn="PLAYSTATION3"; mv="1.0";

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, you about?

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xris:

haven't heard from him today

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directhex:

i spoke to him early this afternoon

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directhex:

trying to diagnose brokenness of upnp on ps3

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directhex:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><s:Envelope xmlns:s="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/" s:encodingStyle="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/encoding/&quo . . . t;UPnPResult xmlns="urn:schemas-upnp-org:control-1–0"><errorCode>701 </errorCode><errorDescription>No Such Object</errorDescription></UPnPResult></detail></s:Fault> ;</s:Body>

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directhex:

i think we can say myth is throwing a wobbly

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rushfan:

Mythtv keeps crashing everytime I try to right-arrow on my view recordings menu

[23:09:59]

rushfan:

the error in the console is 'Floating point exception'

[23:10:04]

rushfan:

What broke now :(

[23:10:05]

cesman:

rushfan: and the logs state?

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rushfan:

[mpeg2video @ 0x2ba33a8a59f0]ac-tex damaged at 1 43

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rushfan:

[mpeg2video @ 0x2ba33a8a59f0]ac-tex damaged at 0 44

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rushfan:

are the most recent log entries at the top or the bottom of the log file?

[23:11:48]

rushfan:

I can still watch livetv fine

[23:12:30]

tjcarter:

xris: I was going to ask about a way to myth recording from one box ID and changing channels on another firewire node... But then I realized I'm a moron because I connect the box via s-video, which obviously wouldn't report the box ID to Myth so it can detect things nicely.

[23:12:47]

tjcarter:

xris: I r dumb

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tjcarter:

apparently anyway =D

[23:13:43]

xris:

heh

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directhex:

bleh, my modified libmythupnp doesn't actually state the requested url, which makes things hard

[23:14:59]

directhex:

just the outgoings, not the incomings

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directhex:

i forgot, GreyFoxx is at his MIL's birthday

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directhex:

damnit, this is why you should stay single

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justinh:

directhex: yeah I saw that show trailed

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justinh:

no hernia though :)

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justinh:

as for inlaws – unfortunate side effect of wedded bliss. bummer that everything good in life comes with a catch

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Kazan:

house prices have become so obscene

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directhex:

Kazan, no shit

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Kazan:

what's worse

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Kazan:

i may have to move to the west coast

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directhex:

oh, in yankland

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Kazan:

either mountainview, ca or kirkland, wa (seattle suburb)

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directhex:

your houses are cheap

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Kazan:

not for us

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Kazan:

they've doubled in cost since 2002

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Kazan:

$400k is the median now

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justinh:

heh. mine's trebled in 9 years

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directhex:

yawn. only doubled?

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justinh:

now worth er.. hmmm. 8 times my salary

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fryfrog:

don't worry, they'll come crashing down over the next few months ;)

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Kazan:

with any luck

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justinh:

Kazan: yeh but when that happens, up go the interest rates

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EnderTheThird:

well my apt has.... sucked since i moved in

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Kazan:

my uncle got a NICE ARSE house in minnesota for $217k... and what they were asking for $200k in seattles outer suburbs was garbage

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directhex:

a house for £100k? HAH.

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directhex:

i'm having to spend £167k ($325k) for a small 2-bed

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justinh:

my mate in london got a 1 bed flat for a cool £260,000 3 years ago. fecknows what it's worth now

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Kazan:

yeah... european housing is even more sucky than us housing

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directhex:

and i mean small by yank standards. see http://retro.apebox.org/z143_13vey_f002_200_20.pdf

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Kazan:

yeah but mountainview

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Kazan:

just what i would need

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Kazan:

to be house shopping in silicon valley

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Kazan:

my wallet is hiding from me cowering in fear

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justinh:

blimey. diddy little kitchen directhex

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directhex:

justinh, that place is a bargain. comparable coachouses go for £240k in the area

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justinh:

lol @ the term of the leasehold. 99 yar!

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