Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, February 14th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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kisak:

after tweaking the find_orphans script to fit the local settings for the db, I get "ERROR: no directory found or specified"

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kisak:

translation?

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GreyFoxx:

bdf

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GreyFoxx:

video playback however is anothermatter. I'll look at pulling the screenshot stuff Anduin put in for during playbackbdf

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GreyFoxx:

stupid cut n paste

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jams:

blame the cat

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Anduin:

kisak: I've never actually run it

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iamlindoro_:

kisak: are you trying to run it on .20.2 or trunk?

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kisak:

I am running 0.21_15718

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iamlindoro_:

kisak: try ./myth.find_orphans.pl --dir=/your/recordings/dir

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kisak:

I don't like the output

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iamlindoro_:

???

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kisak:

"331 unknown files using 272.8GB not fixed, check above and use --dodelete to clean up if the above output is accurate"

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kisak:

that's just about everything

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iamlindoro_:

heh, do you keep your video directory in a dir below your recordings one?

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kisak:

there is no video directory

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iamlindoro_:

ah well, good luck then

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kisak:

they're all thumbnails and nuv/mpg files

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iamlindoro_:

Well, that's what the script does, checks the contents of that directory (or whatever recordings dir it pulls from the database) and matches them to the recordings table... those that don't match are considered orphans

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kisak:

so it made no valid matches

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iamlindoro_:

another possibility is that whatever you put for /your/recordings/dir doesn't match what the DB thinks it is

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iamlindoro_:

has to match slash-for-slash and letter-for-letter the recordedprefix

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iamlindoro_:

er RecordFilePrefix

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zachman123:

Can someone help me figure out why sound isn't being recorded the last couple days (pvr150)?

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iamlindoro_:

zachman123: It's far more likely that sound isn't being played than it isn't being recorded

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zachman123:

that's what I thought

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iamlindoro_:

have you moved a recorded file to another system and tried to play it?

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fryfrog:

zachman123: i have the same problem occasionally

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zachman123:

but I checked... old recordings play sound fine, and playing the new recordings in other players has no sound

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fryfrog:

usually happens when my pvr500 (2x 150s) throws out buffer error messages

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fryfrog:

to dmesg

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fryfrog:

i added some options to module to increase buffers and now it happens much less frequently

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zachman123:

could I have those options?

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fryfrog:

i'm using ubuntu, so i have a file called "ivtv" in /etc/modprobe.d/ which has the line "options ivtv enc_mpg_buffers=16 enc_vbi_buffers=8" in it

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zachman123:

could it be related to the fact that I started using a webcam with v4l a few days ago?

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zachman123:

thanks fryfrog

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fryfrog:

sounds suspicious, but i have nfi :)

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kisak:

thanks iamlindoro_

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kisak:

turns out it was --host was what was failing, not the directory name

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kisak:

"182 unknown files using 37.8GB not fixed, check above and use --dodelete to clean up if the above output is accurate"

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zachman123:

Oh, I forgot to mention.... a few recordings got completely stuck up on a few frames repeating over and over

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zachman123:

so maybe it is a buffer issue

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fryfrog:

i usually have to reboot to *fix* it, and it hangs my system :(

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fryfrog:

are you using ubuntu or something else?

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zachman123:

arch

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iamlindoro_:

kisak: That's a little better :)

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fryfrog:

it actually really sucks, because the raid array won't cleanly shut down so it "scrubs" when it boots :(

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fryfrog:

hummm

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fryfrog:

i wonder if it is or isn't the same problem

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fryfrog:

what does dmesg say around that time?

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zachman123:

I'm not seeing anything suspicious in it

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fryfrog:

humm, well maybe your symptoms are similar to mine but the problem is different :(

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zachman123:

whoa

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zachman123:

I used ivtv-tune to change the channel

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zachman123:

and now sound works

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kisak:

iamlindoro_: "166 unknown files using 2.6GB not fixed, check above and use --dodelete to clean up if the above output is accurate"

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kisak:

that was after removing files that should have been removed by a cron job that wasn't migrated over

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iamlindoro_:

kisak: check permissions to delete those files, and I usually use both --dodelete and --dodbdelete

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kisak:

the remaining files look like they belong (for 0.21) or are negliglable size

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Miranda_:

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mzb:

no and yes (resp.) ;)

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Miranda_:

hmm, okay

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mzb:

imo

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mzb:

iow: mine works

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mzb:

you mean mytharchive, right?

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Miranda_:

oh, yeah, mytharchive

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iamlindoro_:

are you *sure* you mean mytharchive? Are you trying to rip a DVD, or write one?

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Miranda_:

oh, jesus, I'm an idiot.

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Miranda_:

I'm trying to *rip* a dvd

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Miranda_:

but it still doesn't work

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Miranda_:

"No Jobs. Checking and/or waiting for DVD."

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iamlindoro_:

I'm going afk, but just to give you something to work towards, I believe myth by default is looking at /dev/dvd as your dvd device... if your distro doesn't put it there, that could pose a problem... so I'd check the rip settings and make sure it's pointing at the actual device

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mzb:

ok ... my bad ... I've never tried "ripping" ,,, I've always assumed mythvideo will "import" and mytharchive will burn, but I'm not sure if that's burning a rip, or an archived iso.

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mzb:

iamlindoro_: and/or change|add udev rules for /dev/dvd

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iamlindoro_:

yup, or that

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iamlindoro_:

but probably faster just to change the myth setting :)

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, off I go!

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** iamlindoro_ gets on his broom and flies away **

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Miranda_:

iamlindoro_, that sounds logical, thanks

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iamlindoro_:

nooooooo prooooobleeeeeeeeeeeeemmmmm......

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Miranda_:

and tightVNC is sooooo slooowwwww

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mzb:

freenx is a fair bit faster

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justinh:

and better all round. secure too

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mzb:

so is my impression of rip+burn right? You can rip with MythDVD, then burn that with MythArchive?

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mzb:

or is there a neater "all-in-one" point+shoot solution?

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justinh:

mythdvd for ripping

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justinh:

mytharchive for burning

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mzb:

might have to try it some time

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mzb:

(woman should be bringing a new stack of -R's home from shopping today;)

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mzb:

s%woman%better 2/3%

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justinh:

mzb: thing is, dvd backup tools are purdy sketchy when it comes to legals. I'm not saying it's up to the project to take a stance – dunno if that's even the case but if it was I could sympathise

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mzb:

I tend to agree ... a bit of a dodgy area to get into from mythtv perspective

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justinh:

tools which do that are available elsewhere :)

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mzb:

:)

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justinh:

let them keep the baying bloodsuckers.. erm lawyers away

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mzb:

hmm ... actually one of the reasons this guy is asking me to build these "whoopy-do" boxen is because he'd like to be able to do that

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mzb:

planning on giving him a "Top Gear Season 9" teaser later today just to prove (part of) the point

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Woosta:

ok mythvideo is playing my videos via mplayer .. but I can't control mplayer? I can't stop or fast-forward the video. The only way I can stop it is to ssh in and kill the mplayer task

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mzb:

lirc?

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fryfrog:

Woosta: time to either switch it to internal player or setup your lircrc to control mplayer

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Woosta:

ahhh

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fryfrog:

i'd suggest a combination of both

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fryfrog:

because mplayer is still the best option for .mkv files

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Woosta:

cool .. never used lirc

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fryfrog:

but .avi, etc, etc

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fryfrog:

do you use a remote?

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Woosta:

Nup

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Woosta:

not yet :-D

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fryfrog:

oh, kb?

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Woosta:

yup

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fryfrog:

how can you not be able to control mplayer then?

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fryfrog:

esc and left and righ tkeys, etc

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fryfrog:

are you using a window manager?

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Woosta:

just xorg

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Woosta:

and no, none of those keys work

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mzb:

try wacking fvwm into your .xinitrc

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mzb:

it might be a focus issue if you're not using a WM

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mzb:

(lirc would prove that;)

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fryfrog:

yeah, w/o a wm, i think you'd see those sorts of problems

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Woosta:

OK, trying with fvwm

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Woosta:

Bingo

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Woosta:

Fantastically helpful channel. You guys rock

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nexact-:

which distribution should I use for mythtv ?

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nexact-:

ubuntu, fedora, .. ?

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fryfrog:

which ever one you are most familiar with

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nexact-:

okay, great.

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** mkrufky says hi to the room **

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fryfrog:

hi

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mkrufky:

:-)

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Woosta:

Is it possible to start mythfrontend automatically going to mythvideo rather than the main menu?

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justinh:

Woosta: yeah mythfrontend mythvideo :)

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jams:

Woosta- be warned that if you do that then you can't go back to the mainmenu

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mzb:

bit of a hack, but you could always fork the frontend with a script in $HOME/bin and then use telnet to jump to mythvideo

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eljefe_:

is this a good place to ask for help diagnosing a problem w/ myth video?

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justinh:

better place than anywhere else on IRC generally yes

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eljefe_:

LOL, well, I've got a Biostar 7050 (nvidia) mobo, and I'm just doing initial setup right now, viewing video over DVI

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eljefe_:

I'm running ubuntu. I can view mp4, avi, iso, etc just fine in gmplayer and vlc in ubuntu, but when I'm running MythTV, all videos just show up as bright green or pink screens.

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eljefe_:

my MythTV video player was mplayer, and I reconfigured it to use VLC. Same behavior.

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eljefe_:

any thoughts on what to look at?

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justinh:

using the binary restricted driver or the default one ubuntu comes with?

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eljefe_:

I installed the restricted nVidia driver

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eljefe_:

(nvidia-glx-new, I believe?)

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justinh:

probably need a newer version. apparently 100.x.x has trouble with Xv

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eljefe_:

hm, I'll have to check what version I have then.

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kisak:

I have no trouble with Xv and nvidia 100.14.19 here on gentoo

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bsdfox:

I did have trouble with that

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bsdfox:

works fine with the 169.xx drivers

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bsdfox:

also on gentoo

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kisak:

now why whould someone with a nick like bsdfox use gentoo?

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kisak:

:D

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kisak:

what card?

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bsdfox:

6600gt

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bsdfox:

and a fx5200

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kisak:

my old card was a 5200 pci edition

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bsdfox:

freebsd lacks in the video capture dept :P

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bsdfox:

mythtv doesn't even compile last I checked

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bsdfox:

svn that is

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bsdfox:

.18 works on it :P

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Miranda_:

Time for the stupid question of the day: If I want to only keep one episode of a program at a time, but I want to always have the newest, what would I set scheduled recordings to?

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kisak:

set it to limit it to 1 episode

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kisak:

and to delete old

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Miranda_:

Okay, now if this show only airs Tue,Wed,Thu,Fri,Sat – how would I specify to only record this show on weekdays on that channel?

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fryfrog:

just tell it to record all showings, only one channel?

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

sorry, didn't see your first part :)

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Miranda_:

fryfrog, let's assume they run reruns on the weekend

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fryfrog:

there should be a tick box for "first run" i think?

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fryfrog:

or "only record new episodes"?

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Miranda_:

hmmm

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fryfrog:

are you using the myth gui or mythweb?

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Miranda_:

right now I"m using mythweb

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fryfrog:

k, lemme poke around in mine and see what i can see

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Miranda_:

I see "Check for duplicates in" and there's an "Only new recordings" setting, but I dont know if that will do what I want ti to

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fryfrog:

why only record *one* showing of it?

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Miranda_:

fryfrog, I only watch it when I can't sleep, and I don't want it filling up my disk

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fryfrog:

Okay, so I would do...

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fryfrog:

tick "record new and expire old"

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fryfrog:

and "auto expire recordings"

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fryfrog:

i'd probably start with "2" in the no. of recordings to keep

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Miranda_:

and if it picks up a rerun?

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fryfrog:

i'm honestly not sure what 1 will do, but i'd start with 2 and see if it works

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Miranda_:

I mean, what does 'new' mean in that context?

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Miranda_:

I think it means new by air date

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fryfrog:

new means it hasn't aired before

[01:51:32]

fryfrog:

i'm still looking for that setting :)

[01:52:02]

fryfrog:

also, radio button "record at any time on this channel

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fryfrog:

for filter, i'd first try "new episodes only

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fryfrog:

now, once you save it, and myth does a reschedule of jobs (every 5min or so?) you can look at "upcoming recordings" and see what it wants to record

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fryfrog:

should give you an idea of if it is doing "first runs" or not

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fryfrog:

then if it records 2 and keeps em like you want, maybe reduce to 1 and see what happens :)

[01:53:55]

fryfrog:

actually

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fryfrog:

i think i might start with the "exclude generic and repeats" filter first

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fryfrog:

humm, wait

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kisak:

what is a .map file in my recordings repo for 0.21?

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fryfrog:

what is "new episodes only" ?

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fryfrog:

kisak: could it be a commercial flagging map? stored on disk instead of in db?

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Miranda_:

hmm

[01:55:14]

Miranda_:

hmm, here's another issue

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fryfrog:

well, i'd start with one or the other, see what is happening in "upcoming recordings" and then adjust or not

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Miranda_:

Colbert Report and Daily show both have multiple airings per day

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fryfrog:

so let it record "any time" and that way it'll get one of them, but still be able to avoid conflicts

[01:56:12]

fryfrog:

only problem with those two shows is, most of my listings data has them very generic :(

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fryfrog:

so myth records 2 or 3 of each :(

[01:56:29]

fryfrog:

you could use the "record one showing per day" radio button?

[01:56:43]

fryfrog:

"find and record one showing of this title each day"

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fryfrog:

i think i'll change my colbert / daily show to that now actually

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kisak:

if you set a limit of how many to keep, then the ones that get dropped from the limit, then mythtv will try to get those episodes again

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fryfrog:

oh yeah, good point :/

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fryfrog:

except, that show rarely repeats

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fryfrog:

until it is off air for some reason

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fryfrog:

and if you haven't seen it... it is new to you!

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kisak:

I doubt that .map files are cutpoints

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kisak:

there are too many points

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fryfrog:

could they be the uhmmm

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fryfrog:

what do you call that thing they use to simply skip around in the file?

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kisak:

one has 2611 lines

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fryfrog:

there is something that is needed/used even if it isn't for commflagging

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fryfrog:

lets it quickly seek...

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fryfrog:

oh, seek table?

[02:01:23]

fryfrog:

maybe?

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iamlindoro_:

yup, seektable

[02:01:41]

fryfrog:

did seektable move to a file instead of being in db?

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iamlindoro_:

nope, still in the DB

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fryfrog:

oh, humm, wtf is a .map file then? :)

[02:02:27]

fryfrog:

is it named like a recording?

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kisak:

does mythtv manage them automatically/does mythtv delete then properly?

[02:02:40]

kisak:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

no idea, but then again, I've never seen Myth create one either

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kisak:

there's a bunch of them here

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fryfrog:

kisak: did you say you recently updated to svn trunk or the svn 0.21-fixes branch?

[02:03:31]

kisak:

I have 0.21 revision 15718 through gentoo portage

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fryfrog:

oh

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kisak:

I don't know what branch off hand

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fryfrog:

that sounds very recent

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fryfrog:

i thnk

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kisak:

naw ... it's ages and ages old

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fryfrog:

15994 is "now"

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kisak:

like ... older than TiVo

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, if you say so, it's like two weeks old

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fryfrog:

so that was just a few revs back

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fryfrog:

i haven't updated to a rev that fresh, i'm not sure if .map is new or not

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fryfrog:

did you search change log or svn trac?

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iamlindoro_:

It's not. I'm newer and don't have them

[02:05:14]

fryfrog:

ah

[02:05:18]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /156955.html

[02:05:29]

fryfrog:

i have no .map either, but a ton of .png files

[02:05:37]

fryfrog:

3 or 4 for each recoridng :)

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iamlindoro_:

well, two is fairly normal, but couldn't tell you where the other two would come from

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kisak:

iamlindoro_: that perfectly fits my scenario

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fryfrog:

are those .tmp.map?

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iamlindoro_:

I expect it has to do with interrupting commflagging

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iamlindoro_:

but that's just a shot in the dark guess

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kisak:

looks like it is just .tmp.map

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fryfrog:

it sounds like that guy switched from built in commflagging to doing it via a custom job, is that true for you?

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kisak:

well ... if it's dorment / non-essiential

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Miranda_:

HOLY GOOD GOD

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Miranda_:

My new laptop just came in

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kisak:

is there a rm option to remove older than x time?

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kisak:

I don't want to rm a .tmp.map file that is in use

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kisak:

like ... 1 hour old

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iamlindoro_:

It's fairly likely that none of them are in use

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, back to xBox

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kisak:

the base command would be "rm /mnt/recordings/*.tmp.map"

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Miranda_:

mmmm

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Miranda_:

dual SLI Nvidia 8600M GT's in a fricking LAPTOP

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Cyberai:

hey, iamlindoro_ I'm trying out some H.264 videos that you recommended from http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/. So I downloaded and installed mplayer 1.0rc2 from source. The files still won't play properly. Is there a different version I need or some tweak/option i need to use?

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fryfrog:

Cyberai: what is wrong with the mplayer your distro offers?

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justinh:

fryfrog: isn't threaded

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fryfrog:

1.0rc2 is what ubuntu has for me :)

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fryfrog:

kisak: try find, maybe look for "mtime" or "atime"

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justinh:

Cyberai: is that svn mplayer?

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fryfrog:

i have to hit "man find" every time, once i figur eit out, i never use it, then forget

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Cyberai:

ok, so I have the new version, why won't the clips play? For some it just quits, for others I get sound and garbled video, for others I get sound and no video....

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kisak:

fryfrog: can I just pipe find to rm?

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justinh:

Cyberai: ENOTENOUGHGHZ

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fryfrog:

even better!

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Cyberai:

wow, my dual core FX60 isn't enough?

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fryfrog:

"find . -stuff -exec rm '{}' ';' :)

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justinh:

kisak: check it first

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justinh:

Cyberai: you need to tell mplayer to use >1 core

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fryfrog:

Cyberai: I use mplayer to do .mkv playback of x264 on an 4200+ X2 amd64 (939 socket) so... you should be okay, i imagine.

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Cyberai:

ah, so what flag do i have to throw to tell it to multithread?

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justinh:

fryfrog: try the clips from the site he mentioned just now. they're brutal

[02:17:22]

fryfrog:

er, i didn't end my " and so the :) isn't really part of it

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kisak:

fryfrog: same proc as I

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fryfrog:

i don't think you *need* multi-threaded to do it :/

[02:17:36]

fryfrog:

i sure don't

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fryfrog:

what type of files are they?

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justinh:

fryfrog: broadcast h.264 you generally do

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justinh:

AVC

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fryfrog:

.mkv? .mp4? something else?

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Cyberai:

yeah, these are the honkin big .ts files

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

humm, never tried those

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justinh:

fryfrog: try. you'll be unpleasantly surprised ;)

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Cyberai:

yeah fryfrog I can play 1080p files in just about every other format with much joy

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Cyberai:

but these make my machine go poopy

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fryfrog:

ah, cool, that is good then :)

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justinh:

AVC encoding in h.264 files makes cpus very thirsty

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fryfrog:

sounds like you might just want to avoid those types? :)

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justinh:

fryfrog: unavoidable if it's broadcast – without yucky transcoding

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Cyberai:

yeah, hence why I am now in search of the elusive option that telle my shiny new mplayer to use both of the lovely cores my CPU so graciously offers

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fryfrog:

what sort of stuff does one find in that format?

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Cyberai:

fryfrog – from http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/

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fryfrog:

right but... asside from samples? is that what you end up with if you rip your own hd-dvd/blu-ray titles?

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justinh:

fryfrog: most rips are transcoded to much lower bitrates apparently

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Cyberai:

well, when the new Hauppage HD-PVR comes to market in about a month, that's the format it will record in I think. I could be wrong but i'd rather be prepared.

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justinh:

Cyberai: try with -lavdopts skiploopfilter=all

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justinh:

nothing to do with using another core though – maybe I'm wrong & it'll just use what's available

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Cyberai:

I am practically giddy with the prospect of getting ALL of my HD channels via the analog HD ports on my STB :)

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Cyberai:

I'll try that, thanks

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Cyberai:

hell, if all thsi works I'll probably upgrade to more HD channels

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fryfrog:

wow

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fryfrog:

i'd trade in my air2pc cards and my pvr500 and get 2 STBs and 2 of those things, *just* to avoid the hastle of firewire :)

[02:26:20]

fryfrog:

any idea how much those cards are going to be?

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justinh:

about $250

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kisak:

'find /mnt/recordings/*.tmp.map -amin +60' is this sane?

[02:26:46]

fryfrog:

does running it look sane?

[02:27:02]

fryfrog:

you can put "-exec ls -al '{}' ';'" to see what it does

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fryfrog:

i mean, let you look at time stamps, etc

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kisak:

yes no maybe, I don't know, can you repeat the question?

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

no, you have some wrong

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** justinh goes to bed. g'night **

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fryfrog:

"find /path/ -name '*.tmp.map' -amin +60"

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Cyberai:

brb

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kisak:

so, final command is "find /mnt/recordings/ -name '*.tmp.map' -amin +60 -exec ls -al '{}' ';'"

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fryfrog:

that should work

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fryfrog:

once that shows you only flies more than 60min old, change the "ls -al" to "rm -f" :)

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fryfrog:

btw, the '{}' is the "result" and the ';' tells it to stop processing the -exec

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kisak:

so I'll do the swap out and commit it to cleanrepo in cron.daily

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fryfrog:

i concur!

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Kichigai:

Is there some way for me to disable the built-in UPnP in MythTV, so I can try and use uShare?

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fryfrog:

yes

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fryfrog:

do it! :)

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fryfrog:

there is a backend --option to do it

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fryfrog:

like "--no-upnp" or something

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Kichigai:

Ahh, cool.

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fryfrog:

check --help to be sure

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fryfrog:

i think it also disables one or two other things, oddly

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Kichigai:

am I going to need those things?

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fryfrog:

i can't remember what they are :(

[02:33:16]

fryfrog:

but i don't think so

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fryfrog:

it was something *sort* of related to upnp, but not really

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fryfrog:

i was "surprised" at first, then i was like "oh, duh" after a moment

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Kichigai:

Oh, OK.

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fryfrog:

i just don't recall what it was :/

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fryfrog:

damn, wtf was it :/

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Kichigai:

I'm hoping to load uShare on my Myth box, along with some kind of podcatcher, and use that to throw IPTV stuff over to my 360.

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Kichigai:

I'd use the Myth UPnP server, except it's not compatible.

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Kichigai:

...apparently.

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fryfrog:

i think svn trunk upnp is better with 360

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fryfrog:

not sure which version you are using

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kisak:

fryfrog: it has been done

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fryfrog:

but i'm not sure what formats it can play

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fryfrog:

mpeg? xvid/divx?

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Kichigai:

0.20.1 I think.

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fryfrog:

oh, thats old :)

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Kichigai:

Whatever the version was that introduced Schedules Direct, that's all I know.

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fryfrog:

maybe when 0.21 comes out (i just heard end of month, beginning of next) the 360 support will make you happy(er)

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Kichigai:

It's been so long.

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fryfrog:

0.20.2 i think?

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kisak:

I concur

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Kichigai:

Well, I'm happy with MythTV as it is, I just want something on my network that'll get podcasts over to my 360, that doesn't involve me setting up another box with more storage.

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Kichigai:

At this point, I'm not sure how much further I can go with Myth before I have to build a new front-end, since I'm using an XBox.

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

using an xbox1, as front end?

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Kichigai:

(Xbox, not Xbox 360)

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Kichigai:

Yes.

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fryfrog:

running linux or using that xbmc mythtv script?

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Kichigai:

Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to upgrade the front end, so I've just been using XBMC without the script.

[02:38:09]

Kichigai:

I could never get the damn script to work, so I just hooked right up to the network share and managed stuff over MythWeb.

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fryfrog:

ah, mapping the file system and just playing the mpegs?

[02:38:20]

fryfrog:

not bad

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fryfrog:

do you have issues with the file names?

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Kichigai:

I'm planning to install Linux on the extra space using xDSL.

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Kichigai:

Naw, mythrename.pl

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fryfrog:

or do you use that neat mythrename.pl script?

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fryfrog:

cool :)

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fryfrog:

i love my xbox + xbmc

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fryfrog:

i recently stole a friends "simple xir" which lets me turn the xbox1 on/off via IR

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fryfrog:

it made meh happy :)

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Kichigai:

Haet u

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Kichigai:

If I could get the MythTV features in XBMC, I'd be happy.

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fryfrog:

xbox on/off FTW!

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Kichigai:

Linux performance is just so slow on the XBox.

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fryfrog:

but i have a seperate PC for mythtv stuff

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fryfrog:

mainly cause i do a lot of HD playback

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fryfrog:

which the poor xbox would choke and die on

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Kichigai:

ahh.

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Kichigai:

The only thing in my entire house that can do HD is my XBox 360, and that's hooked up to an LCD monitor running at a maximum res of 1024x768

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fryfrog:

ahha

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fryfrog:

that is *close* at least

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fryfrog:

my tv is only 1280x720

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Kichigai:

Oh, and FYI: the 360 can handle DivX and XviD in an AVI with either MP3 or AC3 sound at a maximum resolution of 1280x720, and H.264 with AAC with a res of up to 1920x1080, and WMV-HD.

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fryfrog:

nice

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Kichigai:

Well, kinda.

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fryfrog:

not x264?

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fryfrog:

or is x264 h264 compatible?

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Kichigai:

Because x264 is open source, and open source is bad ;)

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fryfrog:

right, of course :)

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Kichigai:

In some cases they're cross-compatible, I think.

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iamlindoro_:

x264 is the encoder name, h.264 is the codec name

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fryfrog:

ah

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Kichigai:

Well, maybe you can help me with this, then, since you seem to know more.

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Kichigai:

I've got a bunch of files with a FOurCC of h264 (encoded with x264, theoretically).

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iamlindoro_:

technically, x264 is *an* encoder name as it's by no means the only h.264 encoder

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Kichigai:

QuickTime (which I've been using to convert audio to AAC and cram in an MP4 container with video on pass-through) doesn't accept this video as being real H.264

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Kichigai:

I changed the FOURCC to AVC1, and QuickTime reads it, it'll stuff it, but there's video errors, and the 360 rejects it.

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Kichigai:

WTF is the "h264" FOURCC and is it remotely H.264 spec?

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iamlindoro_:

The quick solution is not to use an afterthought encoder like quicktime and use something that's reliable like ffmpeg

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Kichigai:

Well, I'm not trying to transcode the video: I just want to pass it through to an MP4 container.

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Kichigai:

I need to transcode the audio to 2.0 AAC

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barbuj:

hello everyone

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iamlindoro_:

you can mux fine with ffmpeg

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Kichigai:

K.

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Kichigai:

I'm just worried that the "h264" isn't spec compliant.

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Kichigai:

I don't have much experience with ffmpeg, but plenty with MEncoder (I'm not a total nub)

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iamlindoro_:

depends on what the heck "spec compliant" is supposed to mean... I wouldn't trust anything encoded with quicktime as far as I can throw it

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DrJB:

greetings Y'all

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Kichigai:

Well, it's not encoded with QuickTime.

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DrJB:

newbie here ... need some help

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Kichigai:

Somewhere down the tubes, I think it was encoded with MEncoder or something else that threw it into an AVI with AC3.

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Kichigai:

'Sup DrJB ?

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barbuj:

i have a question, too...

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DrJB:

Hi Kichi ... just getting started .. need to first install linux .. where do I get a distribution?

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barbuj:

total noob when it comes to tv capture cards, etc

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Kichigai:

Anywhere.

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Kichigai:

I prefer Debian, at http://www.debian.org

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iamlindoro_:

ffmpeg -i videofile.264 -i audiofile.ac3 -acodec libfaac -ab 192000 outfile.mp4

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fryfrog:

from their website, which ever distro you choose

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fryfrog:

ubuntu, fedora, debian, gentoo, etc, etc

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iamlindoro_:

That'll convert your audio to 192 Kbit AAC and mux the two

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barbuj:

thought i was getting the hang of it, until i installed the pvr-150 card

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DrJB:

thank you ... I'll get it, then come back for few more ;)

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Kichigai:

iamlindoro_, it's already muxed

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tjcarter:

Debian works, if you can sort out what exactly to install to get anything done.

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EnderTheThird:

DrJB: if you're looking specifically for a distro that's easy with myth, i'd suggest mythbuntu.

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Kichigai:

barbuj, the PVR-150's actually pretty nice.

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Kichigai:

DrJB, check out Knoppmyth

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Kichigai:

I find Knoppmyth to be a bit easier and more reliable than Mythbuntu from my experience.

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tjcarter:

Of course, the policy policing policy to determine the new policy is a little much IMO

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barbuj:

Kichigai: well, i thought so, too... at least that's what the reviews made me believe

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barbuj:

however, i can't seem to get it to work

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barbuj:

i'm using ubuntu 8.04

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EnderTheThird:

Never used Knoppmyth, but I haven't had any problems with Mythbuntu, even though I'm using SVN now anyway, heh.

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Kichigai:

barbuj, do you have ivtv installed.

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DrJB:

thanks kichi, will do

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fryfrog:

8.04?

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barbuj:

i see some ivtv stuff in my /var/log/messages

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iamlindoro_:

Kichigai, so? It doesn't change anything... ffmpeg -i inputfile -vcodec copy -acodec libfaac -ab 192000 outfile.mp4

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fryfrog:

you are using the "beta" of ubuntu?

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barbuj:

but not when i lsmod

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barbuj:

fryfrog: yes

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fryfrog:

why?

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barbuj:

why not?

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Kichigai:

iamlindoro_, just making sure. Like I said, nub with ffmpeg.

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tjcarter:

EnderTheThird: KnoppMyth mostly automates the setup process. It's prettypretty cool

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EnderTheThird:

Any of you guys know where the config file is for the ATI Remote Wonder? It's autodetected and works great with X, but I have trouble with it sending repeated commands using the d-pad and I want to setup the "OK" button as enter

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fryfrog:

beta? :)

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Kichigai:

EnderTheThird, I think there's something for it in the wiki

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barbuj:

i just bought a new machine... my old one died and i decided to give the beta a try...

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iamlindoro_:

heh, it's not even beta yet

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iamlindoro_:

it's still alpha

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fryfrog:

ouch

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Cyberai:

well I just tried mplayer with the -lavdopts skiploopfilter=all and no luck :(

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EnderTheThird:

Kichigai: I saw some info there, but not specifically what I was looking for. I'll check again though.

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fryfrog:

barbuj: before you spend a bunch of time trying to make it work, i'd seriously consider throwing on some 7.10

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tjcarter:

EnderTheThird: It's got some weird shit associated with whether you'll have hda or sda, it doesn't use UUIDs for volumes (so pay attention to the order of your SATA cables!), and has a few notable places where the solution generally involves pulling out your keyboard.

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tjcarter:

On the whole, it's a fairly well integrated setup.

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barbuj:

well, before i even go there, let me make sure that i understand something

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EnderTheThird:

tjcarter: for the ATI remote wonder...?

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barbuj:

i did a lot of reading before i decided to buy this card

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tjcarter:

EnderTheThird: For that too, yes ;)

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EnderTheThird:

wouldn't think SATA would matter worth a damn, but who knows, heh

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fryfrog:

pvr150 works *great* in linux and *great* for mythtv

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barbuj:

and eventually settled for the wintv pvr-150

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fryfrog:

you picked a good (the best?) analog mpeg2 card for myth

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barbuj:

some people mentioned that there were 2 versions of it

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tjcarter:

EnderTheThird: it matters because the script settings need to know hda or sda

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tjcarter:

it doesn't autodetect

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barbuj:

pvr-150 and pvr-1600 sold as pvr-150

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fryfrog:

ah

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barbuj:

however, looking at some pics

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fryfrog:

did you get a pvr 1600?

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tjcarter:

It's also pretty limited with regard to its partition scheme

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iamlindoro_:

HVR,-1600,

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barbuj:

i think i have a pvr-150

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barbuj:

but i am not sure

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fryfrog:

dmesg will tell you

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EnderTheThird:

I just like the RF instead of IR. not having to point the remote would be nice... and my cousin stole my MCE IR receiver. the prick.

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barbuj:

mine has two bnc's (one fm input, one video)

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barbuj:

is it the 150 or the 1600?

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iamlindoro_:

That's not enough info to answer that question...

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fryfrog:

sorry, i don't know if you can tell by that

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tjcarter:

EnderTheThird: Tried the StreamZap remote? I don't recall if that's RF or IR, but I like the layout.

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barbuj:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

It'll *say* on the card if it's an HVR-1600

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barbuj:

here's another question, then

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fryfrog:

i'd look at "lspci" output and "dmesg" output after you do "modprobe ivtv"

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tjcarter:

EnderTheThird: it's closer to my favorite layout, the Sony RMT-V303

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iamlindoro_:

and there's a paper that comes in the box congratulating you for getting and even "better" card

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EnderTheThird:

tjcarter: it's mostly just for S's and G's while my cousin has my MCE remote. Not worth it to me to buy another remote just for my bedroom PC/desktop. My Harmony 880 works like a champ in the living room for the main FE

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tjcarter:

EnderTheThird: I WANT to have a completely remote-based setup. If your remote is recognized, no keyboard needed.

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fryfrog:

if you were using windows, is it "better"?

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tjcarter:

That'll work only for a few people.

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iamlindoro_:

fryfrog: yes

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Kichigai:

iamlindoro_, I'm getting an error that ffmpeg doesn't know what libfaac is for an audio codec... how odd.

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fryfrog:

it is still a hardware mpeg2 analog card? or is it more?

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barbuj:

iamlindoro_: there was no congratulations card... so then that means i have the 150, correct?

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iamlindoro_:

fryfrog: It also has an ATSC tuner

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iamlindoro_:

barbuj: very likely

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barbuj:

ok

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fryfrog:

ohhhh, it does *hd* too?

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tjcarter:

But if you are using mceusb, certain recognized capture card remotes, or certain other recognizable USB remotes, it oughtta just know what you've got.

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barbuj:

now here comes the totally stupid question: does this card work with digital cable?

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iamlindoro_:

Kichigai: That means either a) your ffmpeg was compiled without aac support (likely if you are using anything Ubuntu-ish) or b) in your version of ffmpeg it's just called aac or faac instead of libfaac

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EnderTheThird:

tjcarter: I still have the Gyration mouse and KB in the living room for rare occasions when I want to jump on firefox or do admin, but otherwise it works like a champ with the remote only. The one thing I should do is add a script will restart the FE whenever it crashes out (happens with the music player occasionally)

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iamlindoro_:

barbuj: a PVR-150 is analog only... but most cable companies are broadcasting analog for the first 80 channels or so

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iamlindoro_:

fryfrog: yes

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Kichigai:

Ahh, Didn't realize they'd use the codec name "aac" since I tried "faac"

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tjcarter:

EnderTheThird: See, by my metric, the idea that you'd want Firefox on your TV is weird =D

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fryfrog:

barbuj: no, and maybe, and sort of

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fryfrog:

barbuj:

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barbuj:

lol

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barbuj:

ok... i'm completely lost now

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EnderTheThird:

tjcarter: eh, just occasionally for movie trailers and the like

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fryfrog:

barbuj: bah! if you have an STB, you could output via svideo / rca

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barbuj:

except that my machine is too far from the box

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fryfrog:

but you'd need of course an STB and to control it from myth (not terribly hard)

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EnderTheThird:

fryfrog: but IR blasting isn't much fun if you're new

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fryfrog:

but the PVR150 itself doesn't do digital on its own

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fryfrog:

barbuj: in *theory* your "mythtv" frontend would replace your cable box

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barbuj:

well, this is what i have so far

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iamlindoro_:

If you can't figure out IR blasting with an PVR-150 MCE, you should be killed with a claw hammer

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fryfrog:

for instance, i used to have 2 cable boxes... sitting next to my server! no where near a tv!

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barbuj:

cable comes into the house

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barbuj:

splits into 2: one goes to the tv (upstairs), 1 to cable modem (downstairs)

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro_: haha, violent.... i like it! i don't do STB just because i'm a cheapass and don't want to pay for the STB

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tjcarter:

EnderTheThird: I'd go the other way and create a Myth plugin for movie trailers

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tjcarter:

Feed it off Apple's website or something.

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barbuj:

i just bought a splitter and connected one of its outputs to my cable modem box and the other to the pvr-150

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iamlindoro_:

EnderTheThird: Just making a point about IR blasting with the PVR-150 being fairly trial...ish.

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barbuj:

should this setup work?

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Cyberai:

well I think I foudn the problem with my mplayer and h.264 broadcast .ts files. it's failing because it says "PAFF interlacing is not implemented"

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Kichigai:

Theoretically.

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iamlindoro_:

barbuj: very likely... only one market in the US has gone all digital

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EnderTheThird:

tjcarter: i wish there was one (embedded quicktime is a whore sometimes), but I'm not much for programming myself

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barbuj:

ok

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fryfrog:

barbuj: sure, but you'll only see the analog channels 1–70ish

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barbuj:

that should be good enough, at least for now

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro_: holey cow, there is a no analog cable market?

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fryfrog:

where at?

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iamlindoro_:

fryfrog: Comcast in Chicago

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Kichigai:

It'll go to 125 if you're given 125 channels.

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barbuj:

i'm particularly interested in recording certain shows

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fryfrog:

ah

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tjcarter:

EnderTheThird: If someone gives me a thing to run on my router to capture FrontRow's movie trailer access, I'll use it ;)

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fryfrog:

wow

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barbuj:

(formula 1 on speedtv)

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barbuj:

which is channel 70, i believe

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fryfrog:

what # is speedtv? sounds like a 100s+ channel

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Cyberai:

EnderTheThird, I develop a movietrailers plugin that probably does what you want. – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythCinema

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EnderTheThird:

Ever have that situation where you love your MythTV setup, but then some prick does something like DirecTV and gets 90+ HD channels that just rains on your HD parade? my cousin did that (after buying the same TV i have). but then again, I doubt more than 10% of the shows on most of those channels are actually broadcast in HD

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barbuj:

so anyway... i tried ivtv-tune -c 3 -d /dev/video0, then cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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barbuj:

and captured a few seconds

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barbuj:

i had some kind of picture, no audio

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EnderTheThird:

cyberai: rock on. looks pretty slick. i'll need to check it out

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iamlindoro_:

EnderTheThird: Hauppauge HD PVR ftw

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barbuj:

and it looked like some kind of documentary

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jams:

Cyberai- instead of new plugins, why not expand on mythmovietime ?

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barbuj:

decided to switch to channel 16 (guide)

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tjcarter:

EnderTheThird: Later this year, you can do the same

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro_: i remember seeing that. it's coming soon, no?

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iamlindoro_:

EnderTheThird: then you can get yourself any HD service you want and capture all the sweet, sweet HD-ness ragardless of silly encryptions

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iamlindoro_:

EnderTheThird: yup

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barbuj:

so ivtv-tune -c 16 -d /dev/video0

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Cyberai:

jams, read the wiki page, eventual plan is to incorporate mythmovietime into mythcinema

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barbuj:

and now i get nothing

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EnderTheThird:

i still resent having to use a STB. it's such a piss poor halfway point, like separate but equal..... and yes, i did just equate HD broadcasting DRM with racism

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barbuj:

tvtime says "no signal"

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tjcarter:

okay, I have what's probably a common question.. I have NV 6100. I also have a HUGE amount of flicker. How much depends on what's on the screen.

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fryfrog:

tvtime / xawtv won't do hardware mpeg2 cards

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tjcarter:

OSD causes much flicker

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fryfrog:

mplayer can though

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tjcarter:

certain colors in guide do too

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tjcarter:

like when there's lots of red blocks

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barbuj:

ok, installing mplayer

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jams:

Cyberai- i did read the wiki, it only seems to mention replicating mythmovietime

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fryfrog:

tjcarter: output to tv via, pidgin? rca? component? dvi? vga? hdmi? svideo? RGB?

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tjcarter:

fryfrog: VGA

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barbuj:

how do i use it, though? mplayer /dev/video0?

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Cyberai:

well, since mythmovietime is GPL, and we will be too, we'll just try to roll it in

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fryfrog:

barbuj: humm

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fryfrog:

barbuj: i forget :)

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tjcarter:

fryfrog: I'd need a video card to get DVI, my onboard video doesn't have DVI or I'd use it ;)

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jams:

Cyberai- alright

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jams:

either way im'm interested in your plugin

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Cyberai:

we'll probably end up forking it, but makes sense to use it rather than reinvent the wheel

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jams:

yes it does make sense, which is why i brought it up =)

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barbuj:

mplayer /dev/video0 seems to work... in that it gives me the same garbage that i got with cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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iamlindoro_:

Cyberai: seconded, looks like a nice idea... would be particularly nice to pre-feed it with all the info to do the ticket purchase

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iamlindoro_:

Cyberai: which I realized you mentioned, I just like the idea

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tjcarter:

fryfrog: the TV is a 19" LCD screen, 1440x900

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tjcarter:

That's the resolution I'm using too

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Cyberai:

hehe, the whole idea is to incorporate the whole "going out to the silver screen" experience into Myth as far as possible

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Cyberai:

we do have an idea we may try to get tino version 4 – to get NetFlix and BlockBuster movies on demand to play right there int eh plugin

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Woosta:

You'll need the MythDodgyAdverts plugin then

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barbuj:

is there a live cd distro that i can use?

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fryfrog:

barbuj: do you really want to get myth all setup and working... then reboot and lose it all? :)

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tjcarter:

Woosta: MythInsultPatrons?

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Woosta:

MythPopcornThrower

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barbuj:

no, but i would like to confirm that the card is working fine

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fryfrog:

barbuj: if you are an ubuntu fan, try muthbuntu

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iamlindoro_:

heh... Not to mention Mythloudmouthsittinginfrontofyouinanemptytheatre

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Woosta:

hahahah

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fryfrog:

barbuj: i'd bet dollars it is working fine

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tjcarter:

after paying $9 for tickets: "When you steal movies, you're taking money away from my family. I'm a lighting technician.."

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barbuj:

is that a live cd?

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fryfrog:

no

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fryfrog:

it is ubuntu 7.10 with myth that like... configures itself or something

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fryfrog:

like skynet, but w/o the annilation of the human race

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EnderTheThird:

I know I tend to ask this question just about every other month, but is there a tool out there for Linux to adjust for overscan for the entire Linux desktop instead of adjusting the window size for the FE manually? Last time someone suggested metamodes, but I didn't have any luck with that.

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fryfrog:

so... maybe not a whole lot like skynet

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barbuj:

but still needs to be installed to the hdd, yes?

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fryfrog:

yes

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tjcarter:

EnderTheThird: xvidtune?

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fryfrog:

EnderTheThird: lemme know if you find one, my tv has mega honkin hue over scan :p

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barbuj:

ok, can you point me to a guide on how to install the pvr

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Woosta:

Hey with MythVideo, is there any way to change the browser view? I don't have any details for my downloads, I just want to see the *full* file name

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barbuj:

(and remember, i am completely new to this, so detailed instructions would be appreciated)

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fryfrog:

what do you mean?

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iamlindoro_:

Woosta, go to Video Settings-> General, and set it to browse in file manager mode

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barbuj:

i have a feeling i am missing something

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Woosta:

ahh

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EnderTheThird:

fryfrog: i hear you. i'm losing 1–2" on each side. But I'm not entirely sure if I want to call them to come out and adjust it because then I might run into problems with other sources that count on the overscan being there.

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Woosta:

thank iamlindoro_

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iamlindoro_:

np

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EnderTheThird:

tjcarter: i'll check it out

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, back to Lost Odyssey...please let it not suck

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fryfrog:

call "them"?

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barbuj:

and if i had a tutorial that walked me through the whole process, from a to z, that would be nice

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tjcarter:

I do wish half zoom would center on 16:10 screens

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fryfrog:

try mythbuntu and it's wiki, i'm sure it has one

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EnderTheThird:

fryfrog: them = warranty folks with HHGregg

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fryfrog:

ah

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Cyberai:

version 5 is planned to have a feature that makes the bottom of your shoes sticky when you're doen watching a movie and get up to leave

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fryfrog:

overscan is totally normal

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fryfrog:

you only notice because you are trying to use a computer

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fryfrog:

which of course was designed with its UI *not* being cropped 1–2" all around :p

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, that's why I don't want them to have to adjust the overscan for the set in general. I don't want it to be a problem with me having blank space with other sources.

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fryfrog:

can they even do that?

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Cyberai:

We're hoping version 6 will be able to support a feature that gives you an irrisistable urge to go pee right at the most critical point in the plot. We plan to disable the pause feature for that 10 minute section or so.

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Kichigai:

Why do we still have overscan with ATSC?

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EnderTheThird:

fryfrog: with my set (Toshiba 65hm167), it's a physical adjustment. Other HDTVs, it can be done via the service menu (my old Rear project CRT could do it like that)

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jams:

hehe

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Kichigai:

You'd think a TV would be smart enough to know that NTSC should be overscanned, but ATSC shouldn't.

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EnderTheThird:

Kichigai: you greedy son of a...

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Kichigai:

;d\

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Kichigai:

:D

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jams:

Cyberai- once when viewing a movie the guy behind us stood up and yelled "my friend has to go to the bathroom"

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jams:

think that was during lord of the rings II

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Woosta:

How does MythVideo (attempt to) get the info for each file?

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Kichigai:

Prolly through MPlayer

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jams:

Woosta- it does an imdb lookup

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kisak:

ok, looks like I have returned mythtv maintence to normality

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Woosta:

ahh

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kisak:

so I'm out

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Kichigai:

Whoops, wrong "info"

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EnderTheThird:

tjcarter: i checked out xvidtune. i keep getting invalid modelines, but i might toy with it on my TV instead of my monitor here

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Woosta:

thanks jams .. I saw various stuff in there relating to imdb

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Woosta:

have to think about writing something equiv. to sort out TV show info

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Cyberai:

jams, I got ya beat. Once in Detroit I saw a guy get up and SHOOT (yes, with a gun) the bad guy on the screen while he yelled "DIE MUTHUFUKKA"

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Cyberai:

i kid you not

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Kichigai:

XBMC's got stuff to parse TV info from places like TVDB

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Woosta:

oh?

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EnderTheThird:

I wish I had gotten into XBMC before I bought my 360. It would have been so much more useful when I actually had my Xbox connected.

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Kichigai:

XBMC is epic win

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Kichigai:

They have Linux builds of XBMC now, and they're working on some early OS X development too

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fryfrog:

i think the other way around

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fryfrog:

osx xbmc is working, they are working *on* linux

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fryfrog:

version, that is

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Kichigai:

You sure?

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Kichigai:

Because I only recent saw a call for OS X developers

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fryfrog:

*pretty* sure i saw a screen shot of it running in osx a day or two ago

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GreyFoxx:

The Linux effort started long befoer OSX effort

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Kichigai:

I know there are some working builds for OS X.

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Kichigai:

Yeah, that's what I thought.

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Woosta:

Hmmm TVDB is suspended

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fryfrog:

i do know that

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GreyFoxx:

hell I had builds of it several months ago on linux

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fryfrog:

http://www.tuaw.com/2008/02/04/xmbc-on-os-x-releases-version-1/

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fryfrog:

that isn't "1" but ".1" :)

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Kichigai:

:D

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** GreyFoxx goes on the hunt for a projector screen **

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EnderTheThird:

for Ubuntu, would "etc/modprobe.conf" be /etc/modules? (looking at an OpenSUSE guide for the ATI remote)

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fryfrog:

maybe "/etc/modprobe.d/" dir?

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fryfrog:

in side, you should find files named after modules with their options inside

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EnderTheThird:

no modules file in that folder. i checked

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EnderTheThird:

err, oh, i see what you mea

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EnderTheThird:

*mean

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EnderTheThird:

So, there isn't a backwards compatible PS3 available right now, is there? I'm starting to think I'll need a BD player soon, and the PS3 is the only future proof one with them changing the spec every other week

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Kichigai:

You can still find 80 GB PS3s

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Kichigai:

And the older series units can be found, I'm sure.

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Kichigai:

Sony wants you to buy a PStwo

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah. I'm debating whether it's worth the extra $100. Unless Best Buy still has some available somehow. That would be cool.

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EnderTheThird:

They have a thing going with $100 off a PS3 if you buy a $1000+ TV. a friend just bought her TV there, so I might take advantage of that.

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jamesd_:

wait a year and they will be 1/2 price and have 250GB drives in them

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fryfrog:

ps3 ftw!

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EnderTheThird:

heh, like i have that kind of self control.

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EnderTheThird:

does kinda suck though, considering i have the HD-DVD 360 drive and about 20 HD-DVD movies, but oh well

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EnderTheThird:

but with $100 off, I'm not sure the PS3 will see that big of a price drop any time soon.

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GreyFoxx:

is HDDVD finally dead?

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GreyFoxx:

Have the last couple studios dropped it ?

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EnderTheThird:

not yet, but probably soon

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GreyFoxx:

Well works out for me a bit, getting a new flatscreen Saturday as well as a projector

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GreyFoxx:

so I am now in the market for some HDTV dvd's

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GreyFoxx:

I was hoping the market would help me pick a side, and theyhave :)

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Josh__:

Hmm.

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Josh__:

Stupid Question of the day: I got a new MCE remote with my new laptop... It's got a USB reciever. How can I find out what the system recognizes it as?

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Josh__:

I saw it being initalized in dmesg, but nothing in lspci

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Josh__:

and didn't refer to it as a device

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GreyFoxx:

You need to install the lirc driver for it

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fryfrog:

Josh__: usb device == lsusb :)

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

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GreyFoxx:

that might help

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fryfrog:

and if dmesg found it, it should tell you... probably lirc_mceusb2?

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fryfrog:

try "lsmod | grep -i "mce"" and see what you get

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Josh__:

fryfrog, we'll see. It's toshiba branded so I'm not sure if it will fall under the MCE driver

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fryfrog:

you said you saw it regonize in dmesg?

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fryfrog:

what did it say?

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fryfrog:

(if long, please pastebin)

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fryfrog:

long being... more than like, 1 line :)

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Josh__:

two lines

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Josh__:

mainly just saying using uhci_hcd and address 2, with configuration #1 chosen

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fryfrog:

oh, that doesn't sound great :(

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fryfrog:

mine actually said stuff about mceusb2, loaded the drivers and such

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fryfrog:

lsusb is what you want though, if it is a usb device?

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fryfrog:

oh, you said it was

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Josh__:

lsusb pops up like 10 devices, but only two are named

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Josh__:

Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000

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fryfrog:

lsusb > plugged.in

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fryfrog:

unplug device

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fryfrog:

lsusb > plugged.not-in

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Josh__:

I guess that correspods to address 2

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fryfrog:

diff plugged.in plugged.not-in :)

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Josh__:

fryfrog, I don't understand your nomenclature

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Josh__:

oh

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Josh__:

I got it now

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Josh__:

gimme a sec

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fryfrog:

those were literal commands

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Josh__:

aha

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Josh__:

Bus 005 Device 003: ID 0609:031d SMK Manufacturing, Inc.

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Josh__:

that's the device

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fryfrog:

now to the google, batman!

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Josh__:

yep yep

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barbuj:

fryfrog: can i bother you with some questions?

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fryfrog:

help yourself :)

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fryfrog:

use pastebin instead

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fryfrog:

pastebin.ca for excaple

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fryfrog:

but spelled right

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fryfrog:

and paste the url in channel, that way others can look.

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fryfrog:

also, if it is ivtv related there *is* an #ivtv i think

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fryfrog:

or something

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fryfrog:

it is a little sparse of details, but it looks like a successful init

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barbuj:

ok

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barbuj:

that's why i didn't go through downloading ivtv (driver + firmware)

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barbuj:

since it looks like it's loading

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barbuj:

yet, i get the same garbage, regardless of what i use (cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg, vlc, mplayer etc)

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fryfrog:

it has been a long time...

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fryfrog:

but the distro *should* come with fine ivtv drivers

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barbuj:

but, what i don't understand...

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Josh__:

wWOOT

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** Josh__ kisses fryfrog on the lips **

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fryfrog:

and i think there in ubuntu is an "ivtv" firmware package too

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Josh__:

lirc_mceusb2[4]: SMK eHome Infrared Transceiver on usb5:4

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barbuj:

shouln't lsmod say something sabout ivtv?

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barbuj:

*about

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Josh__:

barbuj, only if it's compiled in as a module

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Josh__:

barbuj, which is a "yes" if you're using ivtv

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clever:

ivtv 207508 3

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Josh__:

ivtv 117264 1

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barbuj:

so mine is compiled into the kernel?

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Josh__:

barbuj, if you're using ivtv, it shouldn't be compiled in

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Josh__:

barbuj, you have a hauppauge tuner?

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barbuj:

wintv pvr-150

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Josh__:

exactly what I have

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Josh__:

the MCE version, or the older one with the remote?

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barbuj:

mce, no remote

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barbuj:

2 bnc's, one fm input, one video

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barbuj:

how did you set yours up?

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Josh__:

BWAHAHAHA

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Josh__:

barbuj, ivtv doesn't support FM, last I checked

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barbuj:

i don't really care about fm

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Josh__:

barbuj, I'm on gentoo, It looks like kernel 2.6 has ivtv support included in the kernel tree

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barbuj:

at this point, all i want to do is watch and record tv

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Josh__:

no special stuff needed

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Josh__:

what distro are you using?

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barbuj:

ubuntu 8.04 here

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barbuj:

2.6.24

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Josh__:

I belive ubuntu makes you load the firmware

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Josh__:

gentoo – it's included in the ebuild

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Josh__:

Have you loaded the firmware?

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barbuj:

http://pastebin.ca/903304

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barbuj:

that's my /var/log/messages | grep ivtv

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barbuj:

second to last line says loaded firmware....

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Josh__:

does /dev/video0, or /dev/v4l/video0 exist?

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barbuj:

yes

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barbuj:

i have /dev/video0

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Josh__:

then do an 'mplayer /dev/video0'

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barbuj:

mplayer, vlc or cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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barbuj:

all give me the same garbage

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Josh__:

static, or error message?

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barbuj:

no... video

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barbuj:

but garbage

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barbuj:

where can i upload a screenshot?

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Josh__:

where are you located?

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barbuj:

MI

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Josh__:

barbuj, imageshack or photobucket

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Josh__:

holy crap

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barbuj:

let me see if i can describe it

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Josh__:

the power button on this unconfigured USB reciever just shut down my myth box

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barbuj:

the top third of the picture is some black and white lines

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barbuj:

"underneath" that

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Josh__:

have you tried tuning another channel?

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barbuj:

covering the top left quarter of the image is something that looks like some kind of transmission

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barbuj:

but it's the same 3–4 frames over and over again

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barbuj:

the rest of the image is flashing rectangles

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barbuj:

yes, i've tried ivtv-tune -c # -d /dev/video0

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barbuj:

3, 4, 16 etc

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barbuj:

16 should be guide

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Josh__:

hmm

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barbuj:

and it doesn't even say signal detected

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Josh__:

makes me wonder if it's trying to use the svideo or other input instead of tuner

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barbuj:

how would i see/change that?

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fryfrog:

barbuj: before you waste a bunch of time figuing this shit out

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fryfrog:

i would *really* *really* suggest not using an alpha version of ubuntu

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fryfrog:

do you really want to blow 4 hours, only to find out in the end that "oh, it just doesn't work in alpha yet"?

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Josh__:

fryfrog, I think 7.02 or soemthing has the IVTV stuff built in

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barbuj:

7.10?

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Josh__:

something like that

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Josh__:

7.xx version

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barbuj:

well, either 04 or 10

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fryfrog:

yeah, use 7.10

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fryfrog:

not 8.04 :)

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clever:

6.06 can build ivtv thru module-assistant

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clever:

which breaks the bttv modules

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fryfrog:

i'm just saying, if you are using an alpha distro, it is a *very* bad place to start from

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fryfrog:

i have a working pvr500 in 7.10, i *know* ivtv works out of the box in 7.10

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clever:

7.10 has a ivtv.ko allready in it

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barbuj:

ok... i'll back up my stuff and install 7.10 then...

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barbuj:

see how that goes

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clever:

you can upgrade the whole release

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barbuj:

so can i bet on the fact that the card is indeed a pvr-150 and not a 1600?

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clever:

without formating

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clever:

but you cant realy back it up

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barbuj:

clever: you mean downgrade?

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clever:

yeah

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barbuj:

that's ok... this is a fresh install anyway

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barbuj:

i don't have much on this hdd that i need backed up

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barbuj:

i'll just install 7.10 from scratch

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barbuj:

i know this sounds stupid, but has anyone tried to use a pvr-150 in windows running inside virtualbox?

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fryfrog:

i don't think it is possible?

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fryfrog:

or is "virtualbox" not generic for vmware/zen/etc?

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barbuj:

no, it's an equivalent of vmware

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barbuj:

virtualbox.org

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barbuj:

pretty much the same functionality, except that it doesn't allow you to "record" and "play" machines

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barbuj:

and, as opposed to vmware, it's free

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clever:

would need to heavily edit it to be able to proxy the pci stuff over

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barbuj:

alright... well, it's been a long day

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barbuj:

so i think i'll leave the 7.10 install for tomorrow

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clever:

a special driver in the linux would access the pci card on behalf of the userspace prog which is emulation the windows box

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barbuj:

thank you all for the help!

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barbuj:

good night everyone!

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Josh__:

okay, this is extremely uncomforting

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Josh__:

this new remote that came with my laptop, It also came with a USB reciever (obviously), but apparently the laptop's got a built in reciever as well

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Josh__:

so I'm controlling 2 boxes with one keypress :]

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Guyfromhe:

ok I need help again

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Guyfromhe:

I might have an error now

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kahrytan:

So, When will mythtv work with cx18 beta drive?

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seth5:

Hi all. Does anyone have an idea why when trying to play video through the PVR-350 framebuffer, I get "IVD Error: Framebuffer number query failed. Did you load the ivtv-fb driver?" I'm upgraded to kernel 2.6.23.15–137 and MythTV 0.20.2

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seth5:

This is kicking me for several nights running.

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seth5:

fc8

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seth5:

Apparently no one else in the world is having the problem because I find nothing about it online.

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Anduin:

Or no one still uses the 350 for output.

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Kichigai:

I think support for the 350 was officially dropped because of the decline in use and the difficulty in working with it

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seth5:

So you recommend grabbing an nvidia card and using its tv-out instead?

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Anduin:

seth5: The only reason to use the 350 out is on a marginal CPU (or if you really prefer the way it looks to a cheap nvidia card)

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seth5:

I really do like the way it looks, for TV anyway. X is not so great, but TV is very good.

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Anduin:

I couldn't tell the difference between my 350 and MX440

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seth5:

So really? I just shouldn't expect my PVR-350 to work anymore?

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seth5:

For playback anyway?

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Kichigai:

No clue, personally: I haven't dropped any video from a PC to a TV in a long while.

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Anduin:

It hasn't been dropped, just not owned. Should always work in XV mode but then you don't have the card doing much.

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vontrapp:

is there a way to set a particular program or group to a different commercial skip method than the default?

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seth5:

This install looked like any other I've ever done. I can successfully run dd if=/dev/video0 of=/dev/video16. But if in MythTV playback settings, I say use the PVR-350 TV-out at /dev/video16, it tells me "framebuffer number query failed."

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seth5:

Guess I'll go after a video card with a TV-out

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seth5:

I have no idea what to do next

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xris:

seth5: why not just use the X driver for the pvr-350?

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xris:

framebuffer support in mythtv has long since been abandoned

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xris:

but nvidia tv-out is going to be much better/easier to deal with

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seth5:

The xdriver actually works. I am viewing X over the framebuffer, but mythtv will not play video over it

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seth5:

And playing video over X does not look very good

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seth5:

If the nvidia tv-out is pretty simple, I may just go for that tomorrow.

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seth5:

Been meaning to anyway

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xris:

pretty much a piece of cake. plug in tv, it works...

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xris:

you can set up some defaults in the nvidia-settings program (overscan, etc) and either copy them directly to your x config, or (easier) just set it to auto-load when you log in (`nvidia-settings -l` for load)

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seth5:

Is the support in the kernel, or do I need a kernel module?

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xris:

you need the binary driver from nvidia

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Em0ry42:

So I'm getting a green screen with some of my AVI's in mplayer... not all of them and unfortunately I don't know what they were encoded with. I get the feeling this is a codec issue anyone have any ideas?

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CCFL_Man2:

i lost an auction for a qam modulator to equipment reseller

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nuonguy:

CCFL_Man2: get acquainted with sniping software

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nuonguy:

it is /etc/php.ini, right?

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CCFL_Man2:

nuonguy: no, the price went too high

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nuonguy:

ah

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CCFL_Man2:

$500 for a single piece of equipment is high

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nuonguy:

I'm getting this in mythbackend.php: PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted

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nuonguy:

yeah

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nuonguy:

I increased the size in /etc/php.ini and restarted apache

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nuonguy:

no change

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metusine:

does any one know where mythtv sources the username and password it uses to log into mysql? i've changed it in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt, but when ever I start the backend, it tries to connect using the old username (which isn't there) and so immediately dies . . .

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nuonguy:

metusine: isn't it in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt?

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metusine:

nuonguy, it seems to be in both

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metusine:

and both have the same info in them

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metusine:

i'm starting mythbackend --verbose all, but it doesn't say what config file it's using

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nuonguy:

My guess is that the info in ~ is what's actually being read and that whatever is in /etc gets read if the one in ~ doesn't exist

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metusine:

yup

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metusine:

and that's exactly my problem =)

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metusine:

i was looking in /etc/mythtv, and /home/mythtv/.mythtv

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metusine:

but connecting to the backend as my normal user account

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metusine:

so of course, it was picking up the mysql.txt from /home/metusine/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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metusine:

doh!

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metusine:

dangit

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metusine:

still not connecting

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metusine:

picked up the right username, (and so presumably password as well), and i can connect from the command line with the same login/pasword

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rooaus:

anykey_: Did you see Eskil has updated his shoutcast patch?

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anykey_:

rooaus: yeah, seen it ;)

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rooaus:

anykey_: There is a post on the -dev list, there are still some issues but it is basically working. He emailed me today but I haven't had time to respond properly. :)

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justinh:

it's morning again. happy Hallmark day!

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_sajko:

and happy Hallmark day to you too :P

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doc__:

hi there

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Solv:

I started to archive a recording to CD, but then changed my mind because I notices it didn't have any cuts for ads, so I cancelled...after unsuccesfully trying to rebuild a seek table and do a commercial flag job, I decided to try and burn it again anyway...except mytharchive jumps straight to the encoding point where I left off...and it is frozen there...even a reboot doesn't get rid of it...what can I do?

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Solv:

CD/DVD

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Solv:

i can't find any running process of mytharchive? I imagine somehow the backend still thinks it's a job that it's doing...so I guess i gotta edit that somehow?

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DrJB:

greetings Y'all

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DrJB:

<------------------ newbie needs help with MythTV

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DrJB:

i hear snoring ... hmmm ... everyone asleep ?

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JohnMahowald:

DrJB: Yes. Describe your problem anyways.

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doc__:

hi there

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DrJB:

Hi John ... I just installed debian linux. Now I want to install mythtv .. not sure how to proceed, did some reading but did not make much sence as I don't know much about linux. I went to knoppmyth and read there again, I know it has 'automated' install, but it takes me to a whole directory and not sure which fil to download ... :|

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JohnMahowald:

Mythbuntu is an Ubuntu derived Myth distribution

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DrJB:

ok .. are there combined 'linux-myth' distributions/installations ?

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raceme:

DrJB: you should try mythbuntu which work as livecd and can be installed

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directhex|bsp:

there are three or four "mythtv distributions". if you want mythtv on debian, hit http://debian-multimedia.org/

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tjcarter:

So does anyone have an opinion on Dish vs. DirecTV receivers as they apply to Myth?

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tjcarter:

I'm comparing programming options and think I'd be reasonably happy with either.

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directhex|bsp:

set-top boxes suck

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tjcarter:

Don't really have a choice.

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tjcarter:

DirecTV has better HD package, but they cheat more on HD to do it.

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directhex|bsp:

and you intend on getting HD into myth... how?

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tjcarter:

For a few months at least, I don't.

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tjcarter:

Unless I go with an unauthorized Dish solution, but in a few months I note that I won't HAVE TO.

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eta:

I'm planning on installing mythtv via svn this weekend

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eta:

is it safe to just use "apt-get uninstall mythtv" to remove my existing version?

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DrJB:

thanks guys, I'm downoading mythbuntu and will have to reinstall linux .. no biggie ... may complete before i go to work ... got 2 hours :)

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tjcarter:

eta: may take a little more than that

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directhex|bsp:

eta, apt doesn't remove metapackages like that. try removing libmythtv0.20 instead

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directhex|bsp:

libmyth-0.20 even

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eta:

okay

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directhex|bsp:

with apt-get you need to attack at the root of something. if you use aptitude, "aptitude remove mythtv" will indeed remove everything installed as part of "aptitude install mythtv"

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eta:

can I do aptitude remove mythtv even though I installed using apt-get?

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justinh:

eta: remove with remove :)

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justinh:

apt-get remove $foo

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tjcarter:

Five-LNB multi-dish setup

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tjcarter:

sweet crap =D

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tjcarter:

That's crazy

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tjcarter:

I am pretty sure I can get my landlord to let me install it, too, which is really scary.

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eta:

the best thing would be to do a complete re-install and go with the latest ubuntu version as well.. but I spent a lot of time getting my card to work so I don't want to risk that :)

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eta:

maybe I should just get another harddrive and do a complete reinstall on that

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eta:

and keep the old drive in to keep a working system.. hmmm..

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justinh:

up to you but you seldom really _need_ to reinstall

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eta:

okay

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eta:

it seems to be easy to update once I'm using svn anyway

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eta:

I'm more used to programming for microprocessors so my linux-knowledge is rather limited :)

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justinh:

knowledge is always limited or non-existent til you learn things

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eta:

yes

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directhex|bsp:

there are svn packages for ubuntu, you know

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tjcarter:

svn packages for ubuntu are probably a little better than using svn itself

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tjcarter:

things have been a little flaky since the multirec merge

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justinh:

I very much doubt that

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tjcarter:

justinh: theoretically the ubuntu maintainer verifies that the thing runs before releasing it.

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justinh:

hahaha

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justinh:

verifies that it runs on every combination of everything? I doubt it somehow

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tjcarter:

That was probably the stupidest assumption I have EVER made, wasn't it?

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tjcarter:

TEST a -svn package?

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justinh:

tjcarter: what I heard is that they're automagically generated

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tjcarter:

yeah, that's kinda more likely the case.

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justinh:

that pretty much puts it in a different light don't you think?

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tjcarter:

svn packages in Ubuntu probably work like release cycles at Microsoft

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tjcarter:

"It compiles? SHIP IT!"

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justinh:

think back to when livetv functionality changed before 0.20 & all the people who moaned livetv wasn't working. they hadn't seen the warnings on the mailing lists because they weren't reading them. same kind of thing is more likely to happen with trunk packages IMHO

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Solv:

anyone know why mytharchive says the final format will be in ntsc when I'm in a PAL country, and it detects the recordings as 720x576?

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Solv:

and then it tries to rencode it at 720x480...

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Solv:

ah of course...thanks

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mark___:

Hello all

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Yggdrasil:

anyone in ?

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Yggdrasil:

im thinking of trying to delete all my channels and rescanning.

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Yggdrasil:

whats the quickest way to do this ? i assume theres a db command

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justinh:

do it in the ui you lazy...

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Yggdrasil:

i have four satelites worth

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Yggdrasil:

at least 700 channels

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justinh:

so?

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justinh:

in those 6 minutes you could've stopped mythbackend, ran mythtv-setup & done it

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Yggdrasil:

i dont think so,

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justinh:

I do think so

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justinh:

I know so

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Yggdrasil:

if after a delete

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Yggdrasil:

it left the next channel highlighed it might have

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Yggdrasil:

but i have to mouse click the next channel. delete confirm delete

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justinh:

you can delete a whole video source's worth of channels with one button

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Yggdrasil:

oh ?

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Yggdrasil:

how

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justinh:

look at the channel editor in mythtv-setup. if it doesn't become obvious in there then there's something wrong

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Yggdrasil:

hmm

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justinh:

infact no – you can't just delete a whole video source worth of channels. you can delete them all

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Yggdrasil:

video source is set to all

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Yggdrasil:

i click delete channels

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Yggdrasil:

i click yes and ..

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Yggdrasil:

they are still there

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justinh:

ahh that's a bug

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justinh:

you'll have to do it one source at a time

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Yggdrasil:

same thing

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justinh:

ok then

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justinh:

delete * from channel;

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justinh:

or TRUNCATE channel;

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Yggdrasil:

i see

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Yggdrasil:

this might be the issue

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jduggan:

drop mythconverg;

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Yggdrasil:

mysql> TRUNCATE channel;

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Yggdrasil:

Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.02 sec)

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Yggdrasil:

not funny duggan

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jduggan:

that's jduggan to you

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Yggdrasil:

yes sir

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Yggdrasil:

ok slightly funny

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Yggdrasil:

because i did it

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jduggan:

wtf, serious?

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Yggdrasil:

no

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Yggdrasil:

haha

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Yggdrasil:

i removed all those channel stuff from phpmyadmin

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Yggdrasil:

thanks for pointing in the right dir

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waini:

hi

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justinh:

wtf is that discussion about lirc on the -dev list all going towards? can't make head nor fucking tail of it

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waini:

?

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justinh:

waini: ??

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DrJB:

Good morning Y'all

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waini:

is it good idea to build mythtv from svn?

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justinh:

waini: it's not a bad idea

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justinh:

depends on your level of experience

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DrJB:

anyone got experience with mythbuntu and ATI All-In-Wonder ?

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waini:

it should be a little bit stable

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justinh:

DrJB: don't even go there. ATI AIW in linux – ROFLMAO

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directhex|bsp:

it ain't wonderful

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DrJB:

darn .. lol ... I just installed mythbuntu ... but then it would not detect my videocard :(

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justinh:

this is one case where I'd recommend a framegrabber, just to stop you trying that PoS

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waini:

i need somthing, that is fixed after 0.21 release

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DrJB:

soooo ... is linux smart enough that .. if I open the case, and change the video card .. it won't get confused?

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DrJB:

but wait .. only one way to find out, right?

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waini:

would the build be stable enougth for using

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waini:

?

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Yggdrasil:

drjb

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DrJB:

yes ygg ?

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Yggdrasil:

probobly will have to sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

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Yggdrasil:

or you could jsut edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf

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DrJB:

in english please :)

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Yggdrasil:

yep

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DrJB:

are those commands I need to type in an xterm?

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Yggdrasil:

you wont have xterm without your video card running

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Yggdrasil:

youll just have term

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DrJB:

i'm new at linux n very new at myth

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Yggdrasil:

well

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directhex|bsp:

ubuntu falls back to vesa when in doubt

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Yggdrasil:

oh it does

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directhex|bsp:

and has a gui for enabling proper drivers

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Yggdrasil:

then you should be ok

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directhex|bsp:

including nvidia drivers

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DrJB:

ah .. with the new videocard ... it'll boot in 'console' mode ?

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Yggdrasil:

they have idiot proofed it

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Yggdrasil:

for you

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Yggdrasil:

well not for you but just be thankfull

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Yggdrasil:

if you starting off, and you come into channels and ask, i suggest you write down everything that people tell you

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Yggdrasil:

especially if its commands because the next time you have to do it you might not get a good answer

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Dibblah:

And underlining it. Because that helps too.

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Dibblah:

Sheesh. :)

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Yggdrasil:

or an answer at all.

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DrJB:

it's a good thing runnnig 2 boxes ... one with XP, other with ubuntu .. and kvm switch .. i come here, ask questions .. press scroll twice .. go to ubuntu .. play with him a bit ... come back here ... slave to both :|

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justinh:

waini: trunk is probably more stable than the release version most of the time

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directhex|bsp:

don't forget the highlighter pen!

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Yggdrasil:

thats how i learned, you think i was born knowing sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?

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Dibblah:

Yes.

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DrJB:

Ygg ... thanks, good idea, I'm saving logs of this discussion

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Yggdrasil:

haha

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waini:

is the a revision that is better than the others?

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justinh:

it's already being logged

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Yggdrasil:

log wont be there when your box wont boot

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Dibblah:

You mean I'm being published on tha intarweb?

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justinh:

waini: depends on the state of current code. it's always a very good idea to check the -dev & -commits mailing lists to look for possible issues before you try

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Solv:

Dibblah, you crack me up

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DrJB:

see .. I'm working on a 'media' area for the kids .. in the basement ... already have a projector there, was thinking of incorporating media player (divx movies/music from networked pc), tv from both cable/sat ... Was thinking I could accomplish all that with mythtv+AIW Radeon +DVB card (Twinhan 1020a) .... seems challenging, anyone did it ?

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justinh:

waini: also depends what code I've checked in recently :P

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justinh:

DrJB: forget all about the AIW right now!

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directhex|bsp:

DrJB, short version: "ati sucks and will cause pain and possible internal bleeding"

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Yggdrasil:

drjb it can be done

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Dibblah:

Intel Intel Ra Ra Ra!

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justinh:

All-In-Wonder(why it won't work)

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DrJB:

yup justin .. I'll have to dig out my old avermedia .. or buy a cheapo.

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DrJB:

Ygg .. I'm all ears :)

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Yggdrasil:

uh

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Yggdrasil:

haha

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Yggdrasil:

well start with myth and get it to play some movies

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DrJB:

or maybe 'eyes'\

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Dibblah:

DrJB: Ygg? You don't have tab completion?

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Yggdrasil:

no

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DrJB:

neat .. just learned a new trick, thanks Dibblah

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Dibblah:

Be careful with it :)

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Yggdrasil:

doh

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DrJB:

k Ygg, I've installed debian then wiped it then ubuntu ... what's best linux for what IU want to accomplish ?

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justinh:

beg to differ on mythbuntu being idiot proofed based on anecdotal evidence

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Dibblah:

justinh: You just need a more idiotic idiot ;)

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DrJB:

hehe .. tab completion always picks first alphabetical when many options are possible

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Yggdrasil:

hehe , well debian i think might be the best but ubuntu might be eeasist for a beginner

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Dibblah:

DrJB: Not always. It depends on the client. Some are quite good.

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waini:

is it already annouced when 0.22 will be released?

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justinh:

0.22? ffs let them release 0.21

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Dibblah:

Sometime before May.

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Dibblah:

;)

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Dibblah:

Oh, misread.

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waini:

oh – i mean 0.21

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DrJB:

true .. debian was too ..... humm .. cryptic .... reminded me of my school days with X-windows ... back in early 90's

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Yggdrasil:

drjb good luck

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Yggdrasil:

just keep at it and write stuff down

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Yggdrasil:

it does work...

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directhex|bsp:

justdave, the universe is fantastic at building better idiots

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DrJB:

thanks Ygg .. seems I'll need to be doing much more reading than I planned .... I already transformed my xbox with xbmc .. neatm, and maybe easier than myth

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DrJB:

thanks Yggdrasil ... I'll be back here with hopefully a success story :)

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Yggdrasil:

yw good luck

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DrJB:

How do I tell buntu to access media files in another computer (networked), they're in my WIndows shared folder.

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directhex|bsp:

mount them

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Yggdrasil:

/etc/fstab

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directhex|bsp:

i'm not sure how to do things in a clicky way, since mythtbuntu admin is done with xfce4 and it's years since i've run that

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Yggdrasil:

sudo mount -t smbfs -o username //server/sharename /media/mountname

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Yggdrasil:

or something liek hat

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directhex|bsp:

but generally, do what Yggdrasil wrote above (though use cifs not smbfs, for great justics)

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Yggdrasil:

oh yea cifs

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Yggdrasil:

hard t obreak

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Yggdrasil:

habit

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directhex|bsp:

//server/ only works if you're in the same windows workgroup, too

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DrJB:

thanks Yggdrasil and directhex .. I'll try it tonight .. gotta get ready to work now. Thanks for your help guys .. n have a nice day

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Yggdrasil:

yar

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Yggdrasil:

poor bastards doomed

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rooaus:

!seen daviey

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MythLogBot:

daviey is here and has been idle for 9 hours 16 minutes 41 seconds

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justinh:

seen justinh

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justinh:

justinh is here and has been idle all his life

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rooaus:

:)

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gandalfcome:

I still have trouble with mythfilldatabase. It is run by mythbackend as far as I know. Where is the configuration file in which it is said how its called? thanks in advance

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justinh:

configuration file?

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gandalfcome:

how does mythbackend call mythfilldatabase?

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justinh:

myth doesn't really have configuration files as such. it just runs mythfilldatabase

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gandalfcome:

with what settings, It needs to know what xmltv parser to use and so on and so forth

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justinh:

they're in the database

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justinh:

and even then only the grabber to use

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justinh:

anything else is outside mythtv's sphere of influence

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justinh:

the only thing of note really is that if mythfilldatabase is going to use external xmltv grabbers, it'll point the grabbers at .xmltv files in the .mythtv directory

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gandalfcome:

and the dates I guess, or does xmltv handle that hmself

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gandalfcome:

itself

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justinh:

the dates?

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gandalfcome:

dates from when to when

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justinh:

generally goes for the maximum the grabber allows. no option to change that

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gandalfcome:

to get data

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gandalfcome:

so does the grabber always grab 28 days , every day

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gandalfcome:

well 28 days in my case

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justinh:

if you allow mythbackend to trun mythfilldatabase,yes

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justinh:

*run

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gandalfcome:

where's that setting?

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justinh:

mythfrontend, funnily enough

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justinh:

'run mythfilldatabase automatically'

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gandalfcome:

ah I see. well I'm doing remote maintenance over half the planet :D

[12:22:14]

justinh:

MythFillEnabled in the settings table

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justinh:

wow they're such geniuses on Tomshardware.com – box coolers are no use for overclockers. I would never have guessed!

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, any text on tom's should be ignored. graphcs hold occasional value

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gandalfcome:

thanks man I'll see waht I can do. I dont know why the filldatabase doesnt fill up my guide data. it seems to work when I call it manually

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justinh:

I've never rated them as a reliable source of information relevant to me. sometimes I like to look around though

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Beirdo:

morning, brits :)

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directhex|bsp:

morning, Beirdos!

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Beirdo:

errr, just afternoon for you, I guess :)

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directhex|bsp:

isn't Beirdo an egg-spitting monster from mario 2 on the NES?

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Beirdo:

heh, dunno

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Beirdo:

never played the game

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directhex|bsp:

http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q . . . N&tab=wi

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directhex|bsp:

close enough

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Beirdo:

I was given the moniker during frosh week, September 1992

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justinh:

heya Beirdo

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Beirdo:

probably because I looked like a weirdo... with a full beard... as a university freshman

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directhex|bsp:

beards are a source of power

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** justinh tries to make some sense out of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/316313 yet again **

[12:29:43]

Beirdo:

and if it's big enough, a good storage place for a pencil

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directhex|bsp:

and food!

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Beirdo:

I keep it at about 4mm long or so now

[12:30:23]

Beirdo:

but it's been there for almost half my life now. wow

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justinh:

hmm only impression reading that thread leaves me is concern & futility

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, concern and futility over what exactly?

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justinh:

concern because somebody wants to break stuff badly and people are behind him in it. and futility because – well you find any two remotes that are the same

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, this is why we can't have nice things. 'i think foo would be good' 'fuck off, no requests, write a patch' 'okay, here's a patch' 'fuck off, no patches, the status quo should be maintained'

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: maybe it just needs better explanation of how it'd work. just seems like a bunch of crazy hard to implement ideas right now

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justinh:

and people shouldn't listen to folks who might have commit privs & take them as being an official view

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Beirdo:

isn't there a feature-request type of page on the wiki?

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justinh:

I agree the lirc config stuff could be way better. but lirc is just fucked up as it is anyway

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directhex|bsp:

Beirdo, it's a symlink to /dev/null

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Beirdo:

ah well

[12:38:54]

justinh:

anyway asking the -dev list is an exercise in futility in itself

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Beirdo:

Wonder if ESPN messed up my fantasy league again last night

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justinh:

what colour should the shed be painted, etc

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Beirdo:

use the stealth paint they use on the US planes

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

lol

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Beirdo:

YAY, they didn't break it this time

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: anyway my main point is I can't make out the main drive of what's being discussed. doesn't make any sense

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Beirdo:

Now to find at least two more managers...

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, removing the ~/.lircrc intemediary, i think

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: I don't see how not bending over backwards to include just any old rubbish patch (mine included) is a bad thing anyway. If it's not wanted at first look at WHY, and HOW to make it better – maybe even just selling the idea better

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: ok, so then there's the problem of how to define what the buttons are called since there are so many variants

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justinh:

but then, it's never been a bad idea to standardise naming conventions, something that could well have been done a long time ago

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, button naming isn't strictly required though, is it? if you can map "up" to "up" by pressing "up" when prompted, it doesn't matter that what's being stored is "0x89234897237894fddec76" not "up"

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justinh:

well, there has to be some way of an app differentiating between buttons ;)

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justinh:

even if it's just standard signals

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justinh:

names are only there in lirc inthe 1st place to make life easier for Joe User. and how well that works

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zkx:

that reminds me, i should hook up my mantis 2033's remote

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zkx:

and see if it works, and if it works better than it did in windows

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, requiring joe user to define names against hex codes in one config file, then names against keyboard presses to emulate in another, is a big shit

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zkx:

in windows it was very laggy and i couldn't even map the buttons at all

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: lirc does that, not so much mythtv IMHO

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justinh:

or if mythtv were to say "look, this is what to call the PLAY button" & don't let the user choose

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Beirdo:

hehe, just to be a PITA... what about if the user isn't English speaking?

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Beirdo:

you think someone in China wants it called "PLAY"?

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justinh:

or you define the remote keypress to produce signal 124 in lirc, then look for that in mythtv- much more abstracted. is that what they're getting at?

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opello:

Beirdo: or call a looping structure 'for' for that matter

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, short version: "remove ~/.lircrc, make myth deal with remote events as remote events by talking to lirc, not emulated keyboard presses defined in a text file"

[12:52:32]

justinh:

I need to get more used to reading not-so-good English I think. maybe that's really the barrier here

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Beirdo:

yeah well, nothing we can do about C :)

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: ahh! well that _is_ a good idea then

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** Beirdo is glad he is English-speaking **

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opello:

heh, along the same lines though

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directhex|bsp:

i thought it was fairly clear O_o

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directhex|bsp:

maybe because i've harboured secret desires for that for a while

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justinh:

I think you joined the dots better than I did

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justinh:

there was other stuff in the original thread I remember which was fairly 'out there' though

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justinh:

out there – as in like having an ability to redefine every key a screen used, within that screen

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, context is good, though. being able to look directly at a screen and go "this button works best to do this in this context" is better than looking directly at a screen and going "this button works best to do this in this context, i shall write down that combination, hit escape a few times, go into setup, find remote setup, and define it there. or do it using a fucking web browser on my desktop pc upstairs""

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: be altogether better to minimise the amount of individual buttons needed in the first place

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, design myth against the apple remote!

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justinh:

on my todo list is a plan to try & bring some more commonality to keyboard definitions

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justinh:

I mean ffs until recently mythmusic & the internal player used different keys to control volume!

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justinh:

least I think they did. anyway similar things exist right now & I want to turn them out

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AndyCap_:

http://thomas.apestaart.org/log/?p=443

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justinh:

stuff like MENU keys being used for things other than a menu

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directhex|bsp:

like jumping to a channel from the program guide?

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justinh:

some people's idea of logic needs examining ;)

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justinh:

but even now I know that redefining keys is going to be unpopular with some people

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justinh:

damnit though it has to be done & I'll fight for it if necessary

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AndyCap_:

isn't that why they are redefinable, so if you're grumpy enough you can change it back. :P

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justinh:

AndyCap_: yeah but you just know there'll be resistance (but it's always been like this)

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justinh:

video sources ring any bells?

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directhex|bsp:

video who?

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justinh:

best policy IMHO is to avoid asking & just do it. the fewer 'every man & his dog' who gets the chance to comment on the -dev list the better

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AndyCap_:

justinh: quite. :)

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AndyCap_:

justinh: it's the perfect bikeshed

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justinh:

wait for those guys to agree before you start & you'll never even start

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justinh:

a bit like waiting for somebody to read a feature request in the wiki & put it into code :P

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directhex|bsp:

and don't wait, and your hard work will likely never hit upstream. rock, hard place

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justinh:

anyway about that – I'm not sure there are enough active developers with enough time to work on feature requests _and_ the stuff they want & need to do

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justinh:

(even if anybody wanted to)

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: take your chances

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justinh:

see that Eskil popped his head over the parapet again to fix his mythmusic patch

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justinh:

no reply to the 'why don't you submit this?' question as yet

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justinh:

it works, people like it.. why not?

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rooaus:

justinh: He replied to me by email, he said he is keen to get it into trunk and that the issue with submitting it is it needs to broken into smaller patches and he hasn't been arsed yet :)

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justinh:

rooaus: broken into smaller bits so it'll fit onto a ticket you mean?

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rooaus:

lol, I think he meant for review etc. (although it is a large patch)

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: anyway I never intend stuff I say as being seen as 'part of the problem'. I don't want to put people off from trying. And yeah I'm a bit of a hypocrite but nobody's perfect – and in my own defence I have a good go at stuff

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rooaus:

There needs to be some work done on the usability side I think, work without browse tree mode, add a station manager type screen (I think) and maybe some DB rework.

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justinh:

shoutcast calling mythweather.. ;)

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justinh:

rooaus: I'm doing a bit of reading up so I can start putting smart search in all over the place

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justinh:

replace the existing search boxes with mythmusic style smart search. hate all that having to enter text, press DONE, then sift through results

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justinh:

have to try & keep existing saved searches in there somehow though. might be more tricky than I first envisaged

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mzb:

the shoutcast patch is quite neat ... nice if there was a way to incorporate it

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justinh:

had an idea yesterday to put contextual help on popup menu items to explain them some. dunno where the space for those could come from though – some menus are pretty full up already :(

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mzb:

how about a "help" button? (with "hit 'X' for help)

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justinh:

mzb: was thinking more of a 1 or 2 line text describing a button function

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mzb:

I understand that

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justinh:

be better & more immediate IMHO

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mzb:

but if you don't have the room .. why not have a generic contextual help

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mzb:

?

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justinh:

because it'd have to popup over it, probably obscuring it

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mzb:

not quite as neat ... but will fix the problem

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mzb:

yeah ... but then a number of things do that

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justinh:

overpopulated menus can be split up

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mzb:

I don't see an (obscuring) help popup as a problem ... it's more of an issue of if it's ugly ;)

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mzb:

s/help/"more info"/

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justinh:

mzb: press help, read the thing, remember it, dismiss the help...

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justinh:

not ideal IMHO

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mzb:

suits me

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justinh:

personally I'd go for the lower brainpower version ;)

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mzb:

no .. but then you don't have massive screen real-estate to deal with

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mzb:

if you did ... this wouldn't be an issue\

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justinh:

menus with too many items are bad anyway

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mzb:

either way ... help of some sort would be nice

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mzb:

and a generic "F1"-styled help wouldn't hurt ... surely?

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mzb:

(better than nothing?)

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justinh:

be easier to code I know that much!

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mzb:

so why not put it in in lieu of a better alternative?

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mzb:

would make a lot of the menu items a lot more understandable

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justinh:

only to redo it later? don't see the point

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justinh:

what you can almost guarantee would happen is that a less than ideal solution would end up staying longer than ever anticipated

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justinh:

happens all the time, and if it was me behind it even more likely

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justinh:

nah I think if it's worth doing at all, do it as best you possibly can

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mzb:

ok .. assuming it's all in XML, that XML can be reused in whatever method might be appropriate later ... the idea being that *some* help is better than none, and that an XML-based approach should be adaptable enough for any future implementations ... right?

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justinh:

it's not all in XML

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mzb:

maybe not ... but help can (or should?) be

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justinh:

I got to thinking about how popup menus oculd be xml'd. you don;t wanna even go there

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mzb:

:)

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justinh:

you _really_ don;t

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mzb:

ok, I believe you :)

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justinh:

zillions of functions would need to be re-written

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mzb:

but I think you understand my point

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** rooaus wonders if the new mythui popups support context help strings like in the video playback profiles editor? **

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justinh:

rooaus: don't think the do yet

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justinh:

s/the/they

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justinh:

mzb: yeah I understand the point. anyway all popups will be changing to mythui dialogboxes eventually. it's new, young & malleable ;)

[13:30:42]

justinh:

no more fugly popups yay!

[13:30:51]

mzb:

anyway, good luck with that ... personally I reckon some "explanation button" (of some sort) is a good idea ... time to go to sleep watching a couple of todays recordings

[13:30:55]

mzb:

gnite all

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justinh:

nighty night

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rooaus:

night

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mzb:

(having spent a month's pocket money on ebay goodies today;)) (oops!)

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mzb:

(got a $20/fortnight raise from the boss;)

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rooaus:

time for me to go to bed too... night all.

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clever:

ahhh

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clever:

thats why i cant dl

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clever:

svn trashed a file

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clever:

[Thu Feb 14 11:10:12 2008] [error] [client 5.56.138.151] Unquoted string "mine" may clash with future reserved word at modules/stream/handler.pl line 185., referer: http://media/mythweb/tv/detail/1045/1202713140

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clever:

+<<<<<<< .mine

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clever:

...

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clever:

+>>>>>>> .r15638

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justinh:

ahhh you changed a file then did svn up

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justinh:

ran into that myself the other day

[15:14:29]

clever:

yep

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clever:

i tweaked the flash transcoding

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clever:

ffmpeg segfaulted on nuv files

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clever:

so i made mplayer decode to RAW aud/vid into a pipe

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clever:

which ffmpeg encoded to flv

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justinh:

effinelle clever

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clever:

it fixed flash streaming for my framegrabber recordings

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justinh:

deleting them would fix em too :D

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justinh:

okay which joker has nicked all the BNC t-pieces?

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directhex|bsp:

sorry, i had some 10base2 networking to do

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justinh:

oh dear. we have a problem. they marked vsignal & vground wrongly on the terminal block

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justinh:

hope we haven't already made thousands of these

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rhpot1991_laptop:

anyone running trunk and using multiple backends?

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directhex|bsp:

i am surprised how annoyed i am at the idea of not having access to a freeview mux if we move to where we're trying to buy

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rhpot1991_laptop:

I know that trunk isn't stable, but I upgraded last night to check out some new features (mainly in mythweb) that I am in love with. Only thing I have noticed is that recordings that are hosted on one backend and played on another skip every few seconds

[15:35:46]

justinh:

rhpot1991_laptop: try sharing the recording dirs over nfs

[15:35:54]

justinh:

rhpot1991_laptop: see if that improves it

[15:36:14]

justinh:

or check the output of -v playback on mythfrontend

[15:36:28]

rhpot1991_laptop:

I noticed some junk in the logs, let me get that

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rhpot1991_laptop:

2008-02–14 01:45:24.123 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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rhpot1991_laptop:

2008-02–14 01:45:24.179 DPMS Deactivated

[15:36:58]

rhpot1991_laptop:

2008-02–14 01:45:27.506 NVP: prebuffering pause

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rhpot1991_laptop:

lots of the NVP prebuffering pauses

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justinh:

rhpot1991_laptop: that isn't a backend problem then

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justinh:

more one of the frontend not having enough grunt

[15:37:38]

rhpot1991_laptop:

strange, its an amd 1900+, and only playing SD

[15:37:55]

rhpot1991_laptop:

it only seems to happen when the recording isn't on the same box, like its a bandwidth issue

[15:37:58]

justinh:

soooo?

[15:38:20]

rhpot1991_laptop:

and I verified it happens in both directions

[15:38:36]

justinh:

people with 3ghz boxes often come here whining they can't play SDTV (makes me laugh, that)

[15:38:59]

justinh:

rhpot1991_laptop: try an nfs share then. if it improves it, then maybe flag it

[15:39:34]

rhpot1991_laptop:

alright I'll try that when I get home later

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** directhex|bsp is being sent an epia to review **

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rhpot1991_laptop:

only problem I can think of, is how do I make my recording dirs sink up then

[15:40:01]

rhpot1991_laptop:

cause each box has their own

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: it's shite, nice & small though. cute infact. but totally impotent

[15:41:19]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, i intend on giving a fair and balanced review, though i suspect macbook air comparisons will be forthcoming

[15:42:16]

justinh:

directhex|bsp: fair & balanced – it's good for things which need small form factors that don't need much grunt – and have to only sip on power. there

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, 1-sentance reviews don't get me paid

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justinh:

hehehe course not

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justinh:

actually I always suspected my frontend problems were mythtv's fault, not the hardware since other players were just fine & dandy. but swapping hardware is much easier than fixing mythtv

[15:45:02]

justinh:

mucking about with simple GUI stuff is one thing, meddling with actual real player code is something else entirely

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Hoochster:

GreyFoxx, from the looks of trac you were able to duplicate my error ehh? but not fixable I take as long as we use smb? Kinda blows heh, but understandable. will have to find the info on making these standalone servers use nfs, they should be able to be modded to do so, they are the terrastations. But I do have a new storage array coming in hopefully that will solve the issue all together, it will work off scsi to my main backend

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Hoochster:

. just sucks I can't use the terrastations too unless I can figure out nfs on them

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justinh:

personally I wouldn't even entertain network staorage that won't do NFS

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mchou:

damn. If linux were a commercial OS I'd be paying thru the nose for licenses

[15:59:57]

mchou:

all but 1 of my appliances is running linux

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Hoochster:

well justinh they were cheap heh. and I am pretty sure it can be made to work with nfs by getting root to it, I just never have gotten around to it.

[16:00:16]

Hoochster:

the base os is linux so it shouldn't be an issue

[16:00:22]

justinh:

big box just for a terabyte

[16:00:25]

Hoochster:

I think I just need to hack it

[16:00:33]

Hoochster:

it is the Buffalo Terrastations

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mchou:

yeah, I think those are hackable

[16:00:52]

Hoochster:

does software raid5 all in one box, don't need a pc etc etc

[16:01:02]

justinh:

ahh

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Hoochster:

ya I have always stuck with the stock fw on em

[16:01:15]

Hoochster:

but think I can make my own or put a 3rd party fw that gives you root access

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Hoochster:

and then I should be able to tinker in nfs

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mchou:

Hoochster: I think they might suuport nfs even with out of box firmware

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justinh:

don't need raid. everything I do is disposable :)

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mchou:

support*

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Hoochster:

I will end up using these for photos and other things prob once I get the new storage array but till then I have 2TB of dvdrips and such that I can't do upnp with heh

[16:01:57]

Hoochster:

I don't want to lose all those dvdrips and tvrips lmao

[16:02:12]

Hoochster:

so it isn't disposable heh all my myth recordings are disposable I don't mind losing those but not my rips lol

[16:02:13]

mchou:

Hoochster: but seriously, why do you need so much storage?

[16:02:28]

mchou:

Hoochster: I mean that's quite a bit of TV

[16:02:32]

Hoochster:

mchou heh I have over 4000 movies and tvrips lmao

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justinh:

file squirrels never have enough

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mchou:

Hoochster: 4000 movies?

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Hoochster:

it is possible out of box they do support it heh but not with the default interface

[16:02:55]

justinh:

save the files for a rainy day!

[16:02:58]

Hoochster:

well 4000 includes the tvrips

[16:03:02]

mchou:

I dont think I've seen 4000 movies in my life

[16:03:12]

Hoochster:

ya never know when u wanna watch an older movie lol

[16:03:27]

Hoochster:

but a lot of it is tvrips

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justinh:

I used to be one of those types

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Hoochster:

heh

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mchou:

Hoochster: forget about it

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justinh:

then one day I realised I had to scroll past billions of stuff I never intended to watch anyway

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mchou:

Hoochster: ever heard of netflix?

[16:04:08]

Hoochster:

costs too much lol

[16:04:13]

mchou:

lol

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Hoochster:

and requires me to goto the mailbox lmao

[16:04:26]

mchou:

and a buffalo terrastation doesnt?

[16:04:36]

Hoochster:

heh 1 time fee lol

[16:04:52]

mchou:

that's crazy

[16:04:53]

Hoochster:

now if we can get myth to work with the netflix streaming it might be worth looking into again heh

[16:04:58]

justinh:

90% of films aren't worth devoting an hour to, let alone any money damnit

[16:05:08]

Hoochster:

lmao@justinh

[16:05:25]

justinh:

wasted money I can live with

[16:05:34]

justinh:

you never get that time back

[16:05:45]

mchou:

Hoochster: seriously, if you're a real film buff movies from tv is crap

[16:05:55]

mchou:

pan and scan, cut to pieces

[16:06:04]

Hoochster:

not a video phile by any means

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justinh:

video=philliac maybe :P

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mchou:

dvd is the only way to go for home viewing

[16:06:23]

Hoochster:

but do enjoy movies from time to time. hell with 4 kids you gotta find something to escape in lol

[16:06:40]

Hoochster:

most of the movies are for them and the wife anyways heh

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justinh:

teh theming :D

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Hoochster:

I don't watch tons of tv myself

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mchou:

Hoochster: with 4 kids you should have enough time to watch movies

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mchou:

shouldnt**

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Hoochster:

heh

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Hoochster:

no doubt

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justinh:

tv is the new babysitter man

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Hoochster:

haven't seen it but surely someone is working on doing the netflix streaming via myth, any word on that

[16:07:33]

Hoochster:

tv and computers lol

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mchou:

nothing new about it

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Hoochster:

it is amazing how much time they can spend on the computer lol

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mchou:

they being kids?

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Hoochster:

it is almost like they are mimicking me lol

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Dagmar:

Hoochster: It's not going to happen.

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justinh:

Hoochster: no, nobody is working on it. drm'd to the hilt and I doubt anybody at netflix will want their protocol opened up

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Hoochster:

that blows

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Hoochster:

but they support it via winblows

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Hoochster:

and are contemplating xbox

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justinh:

but nothing

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justinh:

they can secure it on those platforms & stand a chance of it staying secure

[16:09:31]

Hoochster:

secure something on windows? that's a good one! :) heh

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sphing:

junstinh do you know if there are efforts for breaking 5C?

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rhpot1991_laptop:

osx doesn't even have netflix streaming yet

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justinh:

sphing: if I did I wouldn't mention them here

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sphing:

no names

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mchou:

wtf, this thurn into the #hacking channel?

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mchou:

turn*

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Hoochster:

if we can't get it on myth rhpot1991_laptop I doubt osx will get it. due to they are mainly linux anymore right

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Dagmar:

When people became utter dumbassesd.

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sphing:

guys it was more a technical question...

[16:10:49]

sphing:

if they are working on it, how?... do hdmi, component even exist?

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Dagmar:

sping: GET THE HINT. No discussion of illegal stuff here.

[16:11:19]

sphing:

its not illegal!

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Dagmar:

"

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justinh:

sphing: I googled it a long time agop. some college prof set some students about it. took them a while, theyonly got 2 secs of video out & prof got sued.. dunno what the outcome was

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sphing:

my question is, do hdmi and compnent in exists?

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Dagmar:

"Cracking" 5C very much is

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sphing:

Dagmar, yes... I misspoke, there... what i was curious about was hdmi/c in

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Hoochster:

have no clue what 5c is but if you mean a component in tuner then yes hauppauge is about to release one in the coming months

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justinh:

sphing: hauppauge are bringingf out a component capture box for HDTV

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Hoochster:

heh

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Dagmar:

HDMI input probably will not exist.

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justinh:

damn thins connection is laggy

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Hoochster:

lmao

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justinh:

and the keyboard is shite

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Hoochster:

I am on a data card and don't have evdo here lol so you had all the opportunity to beat me lol

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sphing:

o neat... justinh: link?

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justinh:

sphing: lazy?

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sphing:

probably.

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Hoochster:

google is ur friend

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mchou:

haha...NPR has a segment on "It is what it is"

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Hoochster:

there are like over a dozen links

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mchou:

that's funny

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justinh:

mchou: so what is it then?

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mchou:

justinh: that's a turn of phrase barring all discussion

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mchou:

used by politicians and sports figures

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justinh:

ahhh.

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justinh:

EEEEEEE!@

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sid3windr:

EEE PC? :p

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justinh:

just found a public hair on the keyboard here. WTF?!

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justinh:

VERY disconcerting to discover that at work

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mchou:

public hair is fine

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** Hoochster runs off to puke now **

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mchou:

pubic hair is a different story altogether

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mchou:

somebody had fun on your keyboard

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Hoochster:

you really start to get concerned when you find the pubic hair and then the white stain on the seat

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justinh:

not my keyboard

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justinh:

won't be going near the function keys again though

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mchou:

Hoochster: dude, news for you. women do it more than men

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mchou:

anyone an expert on routers and RIP?

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justinh:

just remembered I'll have to leave early for home tonight – it'll take longer on account of all the mail vans queing up outside my house to make all their deliveries

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justinh:

mchou: I wouldn't mind finding out a way of stopping messenger spam hammerring my router in every now & again. it's got very tiresome lately

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justinh:

the ports are never open but that's not stopping em knocking on my door slowing things down. the bastards

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mchou:

that makes no sense at all

[16:27:02]

mchou:

if you dont answer the door there is nothing to be worried about

[16:27:07]

justinh:

I get totally swamped and my internet goes reaaal slow

[16:27:40]

justinh:

like the router / cable modem can only deal with so much traffic at once

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justinh:

anyway. home time

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justdave:

06:40:18 < directhex|bsp> justdave, the universe is fantastic at building better idiots

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justdave:

so true, so true

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directhex|bsp:

i probably meant justinh, as per usual, but hey, you're welcome!

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justdave:

(yeah, I know that wasn't for me, happens a lot, but it was worth replying to anyway :)

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ma9mwah|tired:

any uk dvb-t users on trunk around?

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justinh:

ma9mwah|tired: my dev box is on trunk

[18:30:36]

ma9mwah|tired:

do you use the series/program ids that are now broadcast for series recording? im curious to see how myth deals with them

[18:31:40]

justinh:

there's no 'series link' type feature which can use them yet AFAIK

[18:31:55]

justinh:

besides we can't possibly trust the EIT monkeys

[18:32:15]

Dagmar:

That sounds like a job for some sort of scrobbling

[18:32:28]

justinh:

they've already shown that they can put the wrong series & programme IDs on the EPG

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ma9mwah|tired:

ic

[18:33:17]

justinh:

nah I'll just continue to use the existing rules thanks :)

[18:33:32]

justinh:

record a whole series? easy.

[18:33:53]

justinh:

they're only doing it for STBs with lame schedulers anyway IMHO

[18:34:00]

justinh:

that's all of them btw

[18:34:08]

ma9mwah|tired:

does it deal with repeats ok using the excisiting rules

[18:34:18]

ma9mwah|tired:

*existing

[18:34:20]

justinh:

I find it generally does

[18:34:41]

justinh:

but if you're doing a 'record at any time on any channel' you'll wind up with dupes

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justinh:

part of the problem I think is that the programme IDs can be reused

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justinh:

the real useful stuff in Freeview Playback features has yet to emerge anyway – proper programme start/stop flags so late starts etc can be coped with, and markers in trailers to set a recording up with one button.

[18:37:52]

justinh:

I could be wrong about myth not using the program/series IDs but AFAIK they're not used. I stand by my comment that I couldn't trust them as far as I could throw a banana at an EIT monkey anyway

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justinh:

the PDC style stuff will be enough to make me switch away from using radiotimes on its own though

[18:39:22]

justinh:

so would the 'press GREEN to record the show you're watching the trailer for' feature :)

[18:39:47]

justinh:

Sly Plus can do that but not for recorded shows you're watching

[18:41:25]

justinh:

ahh – this is how I remember the current status. it's possible to see the program/series ID in EIT but it's not yet reflected in the UI options or the scheduler. I think

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f4lt3r:

hi

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f4lt3r:

can anybody help me?

[18:43:23]

f4lt3r:

i have a little problem

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justinh:

nobody can help

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justinh:

.. until you tell us all what's up ;)

[18:44:11]

f4lt3r:

when I start mythtv as root it runs, but when I start it as normal user i have no connection to the SQL database

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f4lt3r:

my normal user is in the group mythtv ...

[18:45:30]

justinh:

f4lt3r: incorrect details in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt probably

[18:46:05]

justinh:

and you run ubuntu, right?

[18:46:35]

f4lt3r:

are these settings in my home dir or in home dir at mythtv?

[18:46:47]

justinh:

ma9mwah|tired: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . back;#219705 has some info but not much. too much fecking thread hijacking on those lists

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justinh:

f4lt3r: ~ is an alias for /home/$yourusername

[18:48:37]

f4lt3r:

i havent got these .txt file?

[18:48:53]

justinh:

f4lt3r: ahh you are on ubuntu

[18:49:04]

f4lt3r:

yes ;)

[18:49:17]

f4lt3r:

how you can see it?

[18:49:41]

justinh:

what's probably happened is that you didn't read the nice popup that told you what the randomly generated mysql 'mythtv' password is and where it's recorded in a file

[18:50:51]

justinh:

f4lt3r: and my guess is when you ran mythtv for the first time you guessed the mysql login details – and those you guessed happen to be different from the real things

[18:51:17]

justinh:

the good news is you can find out what the real mysql mythtv user login details are by looking in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[18:51:49]

ma9mwah|tired:

cheers justinh

[18:52:54]

justinh:

ma9mwah|tired: been looking some more & I'm still none the wiser about it. have to look in the source to really know I suppose

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f4lt3r:

thanks know it runs ...

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justinh:

f4lt3r: no problem. if I had £1 for every time I helped somebody with that problem I'd buy a tivo

[18:54:38]

ma9mwah|tired:

justinh, if you know roughly which file this code would be in for the series/schedule thing, i can have look at the code

[18:54:39]

justinh:

f4lt3r: please pay more attention to popup messages when you install stuff in future

[18:54:40]

f4lt3r:

tivo? whats that?

[18:55:40]

justinh:

ma9mwah|tired: no idea but I'd guess somewhere around programs/mythbackend/someting

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f4lt3r:

i had my ubuntu new installed but my mountpoint /home was with old data

[18:56:16]

justinh:

always excuses! ;)

[18:56:41]

f4lt3r:

so the setup hasnt change these files :(

[18:56:59]

justinh:

I'm not saying you're dumb for not spotting a popup. we're all guilty of not reading popups & just clicking OK sometimes :P

[18:57:28]

justinh:

and whatever the packagers do it'll never be infallible, more is the pity

[18:58:43]

f4lt3r:

i am a new linux user before i had only windows systems but know i have learned that windows is only a bad os with much color ;)

[18:58:55]

justinh:

ma9mwah|tired: might be in libs/libmyth/ too. grep might help

[18:59:23]

justinh:

f4lt3r: everybody has to be new at some point

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justinh:

and when you're finally up to speed with that, try other stuff you can be a newbie at :P

[19:00:08]

f4lt3r:

yes of course but i think linux as a very good support ;) do you go to Cebit2008 in Hannover?

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justinh:

I wanna go to Cebit

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justinh:

it'll beat the lame UK shows

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justinh:

(I hope)

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f4lt3r:

i have some tickets ... i live near hannover

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f4lt3r:

(30minutes by train)

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justinh:

no wait I got that confused with Linuxtag

[19:01:41]

justinh:

mythtv has been to cebit before, nothing to do with me though

[19:01:54]

justinh:

that sort of thing needs sponsorship. stand space isn't cheap

[19:03:27]

f4lt3r:

i have freetickets, because my firm has sponsored me some ;)

[19:03:28]

ma9mwah|tired:

dont quite a fwe companies just use hotel rooms now or something.

[19:04:21]

justinh:

heh no idea

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f4lt3r:

but last year the cebit was bad there were not much interesting thinks ...

[19:05:04]

justinh:

there's not been much real innovation in consumer electronics outside what apple has been doing lately, that's why

[19:05:21]

justinh:

and now everybody's just ripping off their ideas. boring!

[19:05:48]

justinh:

everybody keeps saying "this will be the year of media convergence in your livingroom!". every year

[19:06:08]

f4lt3r:

yes but i am not a friend of apple. their system are to expensive for that kind of hardware

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directhex:

f4lt3r, build a mac mini sized, mac mini powered system, for less money than a mac mini

[19:08:44]

justinh:

directhex: aopen can't

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justinh:

on 2 of the above counts :)

[19:09:06]

directhex:

justinh, i know – and that's the closest you can get

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f4lt3r:

for 779€ i can have a better computer ...

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directhex:

no shit. "more money = betar" shocker

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f4lt3r:

no i dont think so

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f4lt3r:

but i need a fast computer for videorendering ;)

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directhex:

so try building something with a macpro's spec for less money

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f4lt3r:

i have a core 2 duo E6600 @ 3,2GHz

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f4lt3r:

my telefon ring in 30minutes i am back

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sparrw:

im looking for a very small computer that can run freej/veejay/gstreamer with at least one video input and one video output. is there anything like that on the market? my best option so far is any random UMPC with a usb video input device strapped to it

[19:23:42]

jarle:

I have a show set to record "one show of this title each day", however I see that it is scheduled to record TWO recordings on one single day. Any idea how this might happen?

[19:28:31]

bsdfox_:

jarle: another recording schedule picking it up?

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f4lt3r:

back

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Yurtle:

sup gents

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justinh:

pity about that Aopen thing being so lame. Bigger & uglier than the mac mini, and more expensive. oh dear :)

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f4lt3r:

are some german guys here?

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yggdrasil:

justinh how you doin today sir

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jarle:

bsdfox_: That's the first thing I was thinking of, so I set the schedule to "inactive" and both scheduled recordings was removed from the list, so it seems like it is the one schedule that is just not working as it is supposed to?

[19:31:20]

justinh:

jarle: maybe the duplicate detection isn't working due to differences in the schedule (subtitle, description) – doesn't take much to throw it off

[19:31:45]

justinh:

f4lt3r: #mythtv-de IIRC

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ma9mwah|tired:

hmm.. anyone have a link to how i would submit/search for a bug. think i might have found one in mythweb

[19:32:37]

xris:

ma9mwah|tired: http://svn.mythtv.org

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jarle:

justinh: "find one show of this title each day" should not be able to record more than one recording on the same date *ever*, should it?

[19:32:58]

xris:

though unless it's against svn trunk, it's likely to have been fixed

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ma9mwah|tired:

yeah, its svn

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ma9mwah|tired:

very minor thing though

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f4lt3r:

i dont find prices for mac pro ...

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directhex:

f4lt3r, dual quad core xeon workstation

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f4lt3r:

ohh that are servers ;)

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directhex:

no, that's a desktop

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directhex:

the xserve is a server

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f4lt3r:

i thought that were normal computers

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directhex:

they're fast machines for video rendering

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directhex:

workstations

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f4lt3r:

i have read at tomshwardware that they have testet a 8core with 2 Core 2 Extreme Quadcore @4ghz per core

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directhex:

no, because core 2 can't be used in an SMP configuration

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f4lt3r:

dont you know Intel D5400XS?

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directhex:

skulltrail? it's a xeon platform

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directhex:

a very clever one

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f4lt3r:

http://www.tomshardware.com/de/Skulltrail-QX9 . . . -239927.html

[19:39:15]

f4lt3r:

but its in german

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directhex:

qx9775 are xeon chips

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directhex:

the clue's in the use of socket 771

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f4lt3r:

yes but they are declareted as core 2 extreme ^^

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directhex:

and uses fb-dimms. and a skulltrail system will cost you more than a mac pro

[19:41:23]

directhex:

doing both crossfire and sli is neat though

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f4lt3r:

but who needs that?

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directhex:

jms@orac:~> grep -c ^processor /proc/cpuinfo

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directhex:

152

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directhex:

i work with big computers. plenty of people "need that"

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f4lt3r:

in my firm we had a IBM Supercomputer but know we have much normal server

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directhex:

and the mac pro (and skulltrail) aren't servers, they're workstations

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f4lt3r:

yes of course but not for normal people

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f4lt3r:

ie a question does mythtv run @64Bit?

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f4lt3r:

ive

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JohnMahowald:

Yes.

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squidly:

f4lt3r: yea

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squidly:

it wroks very well

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f4lt3r:

ok so i can upgrade my kernel to 64Bit ;)

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ma9mwah|tired:

any advantages to running 64bit?

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JohnMahowald:

The usual memory addressing, more registers and native 64 bit long advantages.

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squidly:

ma9mwah|tired: I find that my system runs a bit faster.. but that could be just me

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f4lt3r:

are there some linuxapplications which dont run @64Bit?

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JohnMahowald:

Usually propietary ones.

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ma9mwah|tired:

advantages for mythtv i mean

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JohnMahowald:

Not really, hard disk and video card can be limiting factor with myth

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f4lt3r:

i search a hardwareraid sata2 controller for linux for pci-E

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directhex:

f4lt3r, hardware raid is expensive

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justinh:

PM aware sata controllers ftw

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directhex:

even more expensive

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justinh:

nah I got a dual port pci-e PM aware card for about £50

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justinh:

for work

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ma9mwah|tired:

xris, i added the issue (#4671). Think it should be trivial to solve. might even have a go looking at the code myself.

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xris:

cool

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bradd:

i "fixed" my mythweb slave backend 0 byte thumbnail/streaming issue..wweeeee

[20:37:49]

xris:

oh?

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bradd:

yea i posted my fix to the mythtv-users mailing list..

[20:40:01]

bradd:

i dont like using nfs and mucking with the storagedir crap..so. i just ran mythweb on the slave and made a couple of minor changes where it gets the hostname

[20:40:25]

bradd:

seems to work

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GreyFoxx:

ahh h the sendfile64/samba/cifs issue?

[20:41:30]

mcquaid:

hello, i was thinking on checking out .21, I want to try out the new mythweb, in particular trying out streaming to a remote flash player

[20:41:31]

bradd:

i wasnt having that issue but i did see

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bradd:

that

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mcquaid:

has anyone tried that? wondering how well it works in it's current state.

[20:42:25]

bradd:

i think my problem was that i wasnt mounting the slave backend storagedir on the mythweb(master backend)

[20:42:26]

GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: It worked fine for me. It's defaulting to "off" now, but it can be turned back on

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bradd:

box

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mcquaid:

i assume you can make a profile for remote access, like to keep the bandwidth demands reasonable

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GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: Nope

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GreyFoxx:

It's currently hardcoded

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mcquaid:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

can't remember the exact bitrqte

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mcquaid:

:(

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GreyFoxx:

but it's easily editable

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mcquaid:

ok

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mcquaid:

can you seek through the stream on the fly?

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

not last I looked

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mcquaid:

do you know if that's planned?

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GreyFoxx:

I assume so, but I can't know for sure

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GreyFoxx:

seeking back is just a function of your browser, seeking forward is another matter

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mcquaid:

yes exactly

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mcquaid:

well put ;)

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GreyFoxx:

xris might have more details if he's around

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mcquaid:

ok

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mcquaid:

well, as long as i can change the bitrate it's worth playing with

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, just grep for ffmpeg in the mythweb source

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GreyFoxx:

edit that line

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mcquaid:

ok

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xris:

GreyFoxx: theoretically, you can... the streaming handler supports it, but I'm apparently not sending enough info the media player to allow it.

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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xris:

flv playback is another matter, though.,. no seeking with that until someone updates the player to support it.

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mcquaid:

at first i wasn't sure if it was only streaming a flv

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mcquaid:

so what other formats can you stream to?

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GreyFoxx:

xris: FYI I just tested the OpenGL painter and it works for me there too

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GreyFoxx:

at least with the current code

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xris:

hmm

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mcquaid:

one last thing, can you set the default buffer for streaming?

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GreyFoxx:

both from http and jumppoint

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GreyFoxx:

xris: I'll put up an updated patch tonight hopefully

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GreyFoxx:

and now the http grabs default to making JPEG snapshots so a lot smaller files

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xris:

pm

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GreyFoxx:

I can't wait to have a little controll app in mythweb for this

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kahrytan:

Hello

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kahrytan:

Wow. quiet channel

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kahrytan:

I wonder whats it like when party is going on.

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directhex:

full of coke & strippers, of course

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Dibblah:

/dev/md10 3.5T 5.5M 3.5T 1% /mnt/backup

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Dibblah:

Whups. Wrong window.

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directhex:

pfft, 3.5T

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MavT:

hi there

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MavT:

I have a question about playback profiles

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MavT:

both by SD tv, and playing DVD's are at 720x576 resolution

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MavT:

since I use the internal player for TV and DVD, is there any way to differentiate them in playback profiles – have them use different settings

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MavT:

rule > Resolution comparison <= 720 576 will catch them both (they're at the same res)

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justinh:

heh you may well ask about playback profiles since nobody has really documented em yet

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MavT:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles

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MavT:

that's not a bad description

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justinh:

bloody hell!

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justinh:

MavT: why do you want different profiles for TV & DVD?

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directhex:

EPIC WIN. a company is marketing an iptv set-top box designed SOLELY for porn. http://fyretv.com/

[22:23:36]

justinh:

directhex: probably propriatary crap. I'm not just optimistic about iptv at all

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MavT:

justinh: I have had some issues with DVD choking on settings that work well for TV

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directhex:

justinh, it is indeed proprietary. who will bring OpenPorn to market first?

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purserj:

IPTV is dead, bittorrent shot it in a back alley somewhere

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justinh:

MavT: what is it? like an epia or something?

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justinh:

if a box has trouble playing DVD it's time to get the debugging tools out

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MavT:

I have never had a great time with DVD's and Myth

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runoff:

justinh: followed up on your responce to adjusting recording resolutions...you pointed me to the right place and I figured it out Thanks

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MavT:

it's a built to purpose myth box, intel dual core, off the shelf DVB-T PCI cards, and an Nvidia PCIE vid card

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justinh:

maybe try & get to the bottom of that I think. working around problems is far from ideal long term IMHO

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justinh:

wow. no CPU > 500Mhz should have a problem playing DVD

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MavT:

justinh: yeah

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justinh:

I know myth isn't the most efficient player on the block sometimes but hell

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justinh:

so er... what are the differences between a playback profile which works for both tv & dvd & the one where dvd playback chokes?

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MavT:

justinh: if I wanted to dig into it deeper – is there anywhere to look, in addition to the frontend log ?

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justinh:

-v playback would be illuminating

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MavT:

justinh: I am at my desk at the moment, not near the tv for a while :(

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MavT:

the main culprit is stuttering

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justinh:

well, put it into a log & come back with it

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justinh:

if it turns out to be non-trivial it might be a bug

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MavT:

not chronic – but even the odd micro-skip/pause every minute or so will do your head in ;)

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MavT:

I am sure it will be config – not bug

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MavT:

overall Myth is brilliant – it's been the only TV in the house for my family for a year and a half

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justinh:

the internal player was never my favourite til I junked my epia crap frontend

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MavT:

I can't get the native remote (with my WinFast card) to work properly, so I have a cheapo USB dongle one – which I have not set up to play nice with mplayer or similar, so I use internal player for everything

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sam_:

eno: Device or resource busy (16) <- anyone familiar with this error popping up in mythfrontend.log after playing a movie in mplayer or vlc and then trying to watch a recording in mythtv?

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sam_:

I can't watch a mythtv recording until I reboot if I watch a movie

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mcquaid:

hello, i couldn't find much info. how far along is mythui? is it in svn?

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jams:

mcquaid- mythcontrols+mythappearance and the main menus use it.

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jams:

it's still under development though

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mcquaid:

alright

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mcquaid:

do the areas of the mythfrontend that use it look the same but have opengl transitions?

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jams:

for the menus that is a true statement

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justinh:

mcquaid: yeah mythui popups fade in & out :-\

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mcquaid:

ok

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justinh:

the idea is that eventually all the transitions will be controlled by the theme

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justinh:

i.e. the theme will describe how the transition takes place. right now there's only one – and that's the fade

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justinh:

a lot of decisions need to be made before the majority of mythui conversion takes place IMHO – it's a great opportunity to clean up a lot of different things

[23:47:12]

justinh:

I'm soon going to be working on reducing the amount of windows defined in ui.xml – several screens which carry very similar information are all defined individually right now. very nasty for theme creators & really not much point. cutting that down will save on the number of images (and therefore memory usage) but above all it'll make things look more consistent

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justinh:

3rd party themers might hate me for a while but long term it'll make life easier. mythui is gonna make every theme need a complete rework anyway

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blackest:

4:3 ;)

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justinh:

the 1980s called. they want their aspect ratio back

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justinh:

:P

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blackest:

sorry just had to get that in

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blackest:

wonder how the EEE would cope running as a frontend

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justinh:

did you mean you're going to take blootube & ProjectGrayhem under your wing? how kind!

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mcquaid:

do you have to shutdown the backend to make a backup of the db?

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blackest:

blootube is nice i like the 70's vcr head picture

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waini:

i want to use a svn-version of mythtv-backend on my ubuntu-serer

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waini:

(good evening)

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justinh:

waini: good, but you have to use the same version of mythtv on all your boxes

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waini:

is there a "easy" way – or a less awful

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justinh:

nothing especially hard about sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins

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waini:

it is not possible to use a 0.20 frontend?

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justinh:

nope

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mcquaid:

i'm going through the same thing. I have my backend on an old dapper box. upgrading it to gutsy and just going to wipe it and start fresh

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waini:

ther is no chance?

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mcquaid:

i got this error attempting to backup my db: Table './mythconverg/recordedseek' is marked as crashed

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justinh:

they all have to be the same version to ensure compatability. they just won't work together because the code checks the versions

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waini:

ohh no!

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justinh:

mcquaid: so fix it, preferably when the backend either isn't doing anything (recording, commflagging, transcoding) or isn't running

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justinh:

waini: ohh yes!

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waini:

i dont want to build a frontend for ubuntu and mac too

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mcquaid:

justinh, investigating now how to fix it, wasn't actually aware there was a problem with my db

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blackest:

and the protocol changes frequently between versions

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justinh:

waini: 0.21 isn't far away. be more worth your while waiting. and it'd be less hassle

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waini:

my new status – waiting for 0.21

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blackest:

there is weekly builds not that much hassle

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justinh:

waini: you and a few thousand others!

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justinh:

blackest: weekly builds for mac?

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mcquaid:

waini, mythubuntu builds svn packages for gutsy

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waini:

i am looking for 0.21 every week

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mcquaid:

they have a repository

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blackest:

well dualboot ubuntu on the mac :P

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waini:

no

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waini:

not really

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waini:

but the developers have done and do a good job

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blackest:

anyone tried a frontend in a vm

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waini:

a big thank!

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