Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, February 3rd, 2008, 00:03 UTC

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jams:

GreyFoxx- if your back I was wrong it's an intel card i'm using on that box

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Archer:

hello?

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Archer:

pretty busy channel eh?

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purserj:

depends on the time of day, many people here live in the US

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Archer:

yeah

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Archer:

man i just got myth tv running great on arch

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Archer:

and i have lirc working

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Archer:

just cant get to two to work together

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Archer:

i pulled the .lircrc from my mythbuntu installation but I dont think it wants to work w/ the myth on arch

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blackest:

anyone connected mythtv to dreambox ?

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moegreen:

iamlindoro, you around yet?

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Archer:

anyone in here know why i cant control my myth w/ lirc?

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moegreen:

i just got mine to work..maybe i can help?

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Archer:

ok well i have the lirc working fine

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moegreen:

did you configure the lircrc file?

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Archer:

i used my old one froma pervious distro

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moegreen:

what distro are yo uusing?

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Archer:

now i'm using arch linux

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Archer:

used to use mythbuntu

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moegreen:

did you configure your /etc/lircd.conf

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moegreen:

?

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Archer:

yeah

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moegreen:

do you have a reciever?

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Archer:

yes lol

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Archer:

i had it fully working b4

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moegreen:

:) just checking

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Archer:

new install / distro and no go

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Archer:

IRW does indeed pick up input from remote

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moegreen:

oh well then ya everything is working ok then...sorry dude i dont know what to tell ya then.

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Archer:

the break down is between lirc & myth

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Archer:

lol

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Archer:

blast!

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Archer:

lol

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Archer:

maybe.. just maybe i have to run the lirc config thing just to humor it lol

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Archer:

i guess i could run its config then replace some of the data w/ the old distros stuff

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Archer:

moegreen, what distro are you using?

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moegreen:

knoppmyth

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Archer:

how are you starting your lirc?

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Archer:

i'm starting mine via rc.local:

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Archer:

lircd -H dvico

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moegreen:

knoppmyth is auto

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Archer:

oo

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Archer:

knoppmyth doesnt work for me

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Archer:

lol

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moegreen:

graphics or what?

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Archer:

dunno kernel panic all the time

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moegreen:

are you running the new r5c27?

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moegreen:

since it looks like your the only one active on this channel..Do you by chance have an IR blaster?

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moegreen:

i need help setting mine up that i just got.

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Archer:

i tried using the knoppmyth that was out like a month ago

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moegreen:

ya thats the newwest one

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Archer:

and as far as ir blasting goes.. I know nothing

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Archer:

however, you could get mythdora and update mythTV

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moegreen:

what do you mean?

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moegreen:

i have the newest myth

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Archer:

yes but mythdora is slightly lacking behind

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moegreen:

you mean knopp?

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Archer:

no mythdora

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Archer:

it has full IR support

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Archer:

but... has the old myth TV

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Archer:

b4 myth TV went to schedules direct

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moegreen:

well the new knopp has full IR support out of the box, but im already using my serial port for my homemade reciever now i just need to know how to run my new blaster off of the usb/serial adapter i have.

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Archer:

oh

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Archer:

good luck w/ that

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Archer:

why didnt you just get a usb reciever?

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Archer:

they go for $5–10 on ebay

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moegreen:

homemade was the 1st i came across when 1st introduced to myth :)

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Archer:

yeah but i dunno about those serial to usbs

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Archer:

i've heard ppl having probs

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moegreen:

ive heard that too, but there are some guys on here that got theirs to work so..

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Archer:

alright well good luck man

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Archer:

any chance u know how to create the .lircrc file that goes in the home dir?

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Archer:

maybe the one i have is trying to talk to an old version of myth?

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moegreen:

you should already have one at ~/.mythtv

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moegreen:

just edit that one

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Archer:

? what

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Archer:

so the .mythtv should be it?

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moegreen:

do you have a term open?

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Archer:

hodl on lemme log on xchat on that machine

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mythbox1:

hey man its archer

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mythbox1:

moegreen, u there?

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moegreen:

ya sorry..

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moegreen:

making dinner too

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moegreen:

so open a term

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mythbox1:

lol its kool

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mythbox1:

root?

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moegreen:

who logs into mythtv?

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moegreen:

root? or other user?

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mythbox1:

i use mythster

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mythbox1:

thats the name i use to autologin and run mythfront

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moegreen:

ok so make sure your at mythsters home

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mythbox1:

ok

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moegreen:

cd ~/.mythtv

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moegreen:

do a ls

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moegreen:

do you have a lircrc listed?

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mythbox1:

i'm in... only mysql.txt

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mythbox1:

nope

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mythbox1:

the .lircrc that mine usues is kept in the /home/mythster/

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mythbox1:

but i pulled that one from my old installation

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mythbox1:

i dunno if it will work properly w/ this one

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moegreen:

thats your problem then.

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mythbox1:

ok how do i resolve it?

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moegreen:

if you dont have an lircrc file under mythsters mythtv directory how does it know what buttons on the remote do what?

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mythbox1:

well in mythbuntu it saved that file in the home directory

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moegreen:

that is your problem right,,you can do everything in myth but use your remote?

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mythbox1:

didnt know it had to be in home/.myth

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mythbox1:

yup i'm trying your solution as we speak i'll brb

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moegreen:

wont gaurantee anything, cause im using knopp but the file structure should be similar. You would thing lol

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moegreen:

*think

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mythbox1:

sorry sir but that didnt work :-(

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mythbox1:

think that mythbuntu could be using a different version of mythtv?

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moegreen:

i thought you were using arch

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mythbox1:

i am using arch

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mythbox1:

i pulled this .lircrc from my mythbuntu installation

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moegreen:

do a "locate mythflix"

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mythbox1:

?

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moegreen:

in a term

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moegreen:

or a "locate mythweather"

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moegreen:

im curious if it shows up in /usr/share/mythtv

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mythbox1:

hold on i may have gotten it

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mythbox1:

in mythbuntu they use a pointer to point from the ~/.mythtv/lircrc to ~/home/'.lircrc

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mythbox1:

sooo i just need to change my .lircrc to lircrc

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moegreen:

try it

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mythbox1:

hot damn that did i

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mythbox1:

it*

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mythbox1:

thanks a ton man

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moegreen:

cool

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mythbox1:

you're my hero

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mythbox1:

lol

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mythbox1:

i've been racking my brain for a long time as to why that wasnt working

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mythbox1:

lol

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moegreen:

so you just need the point in the direction of ~/.mythtv ?

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mythbox1:

all bc mythbuntu is tricky and uses a pointer to point from ~/.mythtv/lirch to ~/.lircrc

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moegreen:

*needed

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mythbox1:

i had to copy my ~/.lircrc to ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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moegreen:

yup

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mythbox1:

bc mythbuntu is stupid.. mythbuntu is so crazy w/ its RW privs

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mythbox1:

i had a hell of time getting it to record tv to my portable HDD

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moegreen:

ive only used knopp so i dont know :)

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mythbox1:

i have a 500g ext hdd in a fanned enclosure connecting to pc via Esata

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mythbox1:

its pretty nice... ;)

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mythbox1:

but the kicker is.. i still have myth targed to write to a directory on my main file system

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mythbox1:

then i mount --bind that to the directory of my ext hdd

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mythbox1:

i mount /dev/(external hdd) /media/storage

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mythbox1:

then in storage i have a file called /myth_data/

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mythbox1:

i then bind the /media/storage/myth_data/ and my /media/myth_data/ together

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moegreen:

well thought out! :)

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mythbox1:

not the /media/myth_data is actually written to my internal harddrive so in the event that my external harddrive fails to mount or quits responding it will be default write all of the data to my internal hdd

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mythbox1:

it will send some flags when starting backend about missing data but still functions

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mythbox1:

only thing is any data you record to your internal hdd you have to then copy to the external hdd or it will continue to flag that data

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mythbox1:

of you can always delete it before rebinding the two partitions

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mythbox1:

or*

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mythbox1:

but you must delete w/ in the actual myth or your database wont know what happened

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mythbox1:

speaking of that.. do you know how i could copy the database from my mythbuntu to my arch's myth?

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mythbox1:

isnt it kept in like /etc/ something/mythtv.sql

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mythbox1:

?

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mythbox1:

or maybe /var/ something / mythtv.sql

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mythbox1:

brb

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moegreen:

thats a good question, i dont know where the main dbase file is stored.

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justinh:

use mysqldump instead

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mythbox1:

how does that work?

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mythbox1:

i have alot of data recorded from my mythbuntu.. i'd like to be able to see it in my arch's myth

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mythbox1:

if need be i can delete it tho.... just prefer to keep it if at all possible

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mythbox1:

i'm gonna get some water.. justinh if you could tell me how dump works... ;)

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc23.5

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Archer:

lol that looks like alot of work

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Archer:

maybe I'll just say fuck it and format the storage partition lo

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Archer:

i can always re record the universe series on the hist channel

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Archer:

i have lik 6 2 hr eps

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Archer:

lol

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moegreen:

later...glad i could help

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justinh:

looks like a lot of work. pfft

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Archer:

lol i was joking

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blackest:

anyone setup mythtv with a network recorder or stream or dreambox

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Archer:

nope not yet

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Archer:

gonna try to use my bros location free player when i go back to my moms next time

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CCFL_Man2:

i love these raw nbc news feeds

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blackest:

there are supposed to be methods to use dreambox as a tuner for mythtv i've been googling for ages and still not found anyone who has actually done it

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Archer:

hey anyone here use btaudio?

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blackest:

on a pda i have

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Archer:

see currently i have my sound running out my tuner, thru the sound card

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Archer:

and i'd like to run it all pci bus

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blackest:

thats possible i think there is a pci option with some cards, i tried it once with a pci frame grabber card I didnt do that well if i played an mp3 file that audio got to a remote frontend via myth never did any good with the tv audio thou

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CCFL_Man2:

Archer: you in the us?

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Archer:

yes sir

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CCFL_Man2:

Archer: and you have crappy analog cable?

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Archer:

i have analog currently.. i dunno that i'd say its crappy lol

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Archer:

its not horrible

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Archer:

but i've had better lol

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CCFL_Man2:

Archer: cable in general is always bad

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Archer:

yeah..

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Archer:

you make a good point

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CCFL_Man2:

Archer: high prices, crappy service

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Archer:

lol

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Archer:

true

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Archer:

AT&T is supposed to be going fiberoptic in my area tho :)

[03:07:29]

Archer:

starting august

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kdub:

AT&T is homosexual for TV

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kdub:

you can only have 1 HD stream going to your house

[03:07:50]

Archer:

what

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Archer:

are you serious

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kdub:

yes

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kdub:

it is retarded

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CCFL_Man2:

they'll still provide crappy analog from the optical terminal

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Archer:

so you cant split that anyway:?

[03:08:08]

kdub:

and they said they wont fix it until at least 2009

[03:08:13]

kdub:

no you cant split it

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Archer:

hmm

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CCFL_Man2:

kdub: satellite tv ftw

[03:08:34]

kdub:

your house is permitted to tune 4 channels at once, only one of which is allowed to be HD

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Archer:

oh

[03:08:56]

Archer:

but are the others digital?

[03:09:00]

Archer:

or analog?

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kdub:

yeah its all digital

[03:09:06]

Archer:

ok

[03:09:09]

Archer:

well that'd be better

[03:09:17]

Archer:

i have a dual analog/digital tuner

[03:09:25]

Archer:

and the digital works better than the analog lol

[03:09:31]

Archer:

so i'd rather just run that digital lol

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kdub:

well you would have to capture analog from the box

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CCFL_Man2:

just receive tv via c band satellite and your problems are solved

[03:09:55]

kdub:

you would need 4 freakin boxes

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Archer:

o yeah they have cable boxes dont they

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kdub:

that catn be cheap

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kdub:

just regular cable seems the most sensible to me

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Archer:

c band sat?

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CCFL_Man2:

Archer: yes

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Archer:

do tell do tell lol

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kdub:

i think he is talking about semi legal stuff

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CCFL_Man2:

it needs a 6ft or larger reflector

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kdub:

heh

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Archer:

kdub, i use linux.. i fear no one lol

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Archer:

;)

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kdub:

if it requires a six foot dish

[03:11:39]

Archer:

the RIAA aint got shit on me

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Archer:

lol

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CCFL_Man2:

kdub: completely legal, c band subscription and free to air

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kdub:

that is not sensible

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kdub:

what channels can you even get?

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CCFL_Man2:

kdub: wtf do you mean? how do you think tv is transmitted?

[03:12:47]

kdub:

dude

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CCFL_Man2:

you can geteverything

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kdub:

and who the hell do you buy this through?

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CCFL_Man2:

a satellite supplier

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kdub:

like who?

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Archer:

if all you need is a sat you can build it..

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Archer:

then again i'm an elect engineer lol

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CCFL_Man2:

sadoun satellite sales i got my stuff from

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kdub:

and you can get all the channels you can get through cable in HD?

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kdub:

unencrypted

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Archer:

yeah CCFL_Man2 what type of channels are we talking here

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Archer:

as long as i can get HD discovery and history i'm pretty much set lol

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Archer:

well BBC also please lol

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CCFL_Man2:

all stuff you pay for is encrypted

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kdub:

exactly

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kdub:

right back to being pointless

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Archer:

lol

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Archer:

yeah...

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Archer:

see i dont want to have to pay if at all possible

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kdub:

why?

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kdub:

are you poor?

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Archer:

what sort of broadband digital channels you think i'd pick up?

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kdub:

i dont see any reason why we should get content for free

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kdub:

just unencrypted

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Archer:

no i just wouldnt go thru that hastle if i still have to pay

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CCFL_Man2:

kdub: you buy a fucking c babd subscription

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CCFL_Man2:

don't be so daft

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kdub:

right

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Archer:

CCFL_Man2, then u need a sat tuner as well right?

[03:17:38]

Archer:

and if so how can you get digital quality picture to your myth?

[03:17:53]

Archer:

hdmi reciever in the myth PC?

[03:18:29]

Archer:

how do all of you record your tv? to your internal hdd or to an external?

[03:18:35]

kdub:

there is not HDMI capture

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kdub:

there are digital cards for satellite

[03:18:58]

kdub:

you just plug in the coax from the satellite

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Archer:

so then you have to take this nice digital signal from sat tuner box via s vid to tv tuner?

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Archer:

ooo

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Archer:

ok

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Archer:

never mind

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kdub:

but i really doubt you get more than the regular local channels like that

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Archer:

i thought you'd need a satellite box since you had to get a sub

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kdub:

thats what i am thinking too

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kdub:

at least for the pay channels

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Archer:

yeah so then you'd have to run the shitty picture from the sat box to the pc

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Archer:

that's just daft

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kdub:

i just dont see it being practical or there would be way more people talking about it on the mailing list

[03:21:22]

Archer:

well not just that but you're taking your digital and turning it analog then back to digital

[03:21:24]

Archer:

makes no sense

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Archer:

once they have hdmi tuners it'd make a little more

[03:21:52]

Archer:

but for the time being...

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kdub:

hauppage is releasing a box that will capture component

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Archer:

unless you can figure out how to tune encrypted data

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CCFL_Man2:

the sub channels you need a receiver that'll do the sub, you get a digicipher II receiver with asi output, you get a qam modulator and connect the asi line to it, you then connect it's rf output to an atsc/wam card in myth

[03:23:04]

Archer:

so does your picture stay digital the entire way?

[03:23:15]

Archer:

i'm just confused as to how this all works together

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CCFL_Man2:

digital stream all the way

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kdub:

he is saying that you just plug the signal from the dish into a box that will output the signal just like unencrypted digital cable

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Archer:

ooooo

[03:25:08]

Archer:

so does it tune the channels as well then or does the digital cable output act just as it does normally?

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CCFL_Man2:

asi, or dvb-asi is a way of tramsmitting transport streams between pieces of equipment

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Archer:

ie, will you need an IR blaster to change the channels or your internal tuner card do it

[03:25:59]

CCFL_Man2:

you need one sat receiver and qam modulator per transport stream

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Archer:

so could you split the unencrypted output or does it only output a single channel at a time?

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CCFL_Man2:

outputs one transort stream at a time, which can contain many channels

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Archer:

i'd assume that the "unencrypter" only does 1 channel at a time so your myth would have to use an IR blaster to tell it to change the channel right?

[03:27:38]

Archer:

hmm

[03:28:17]

Archer:

so it outputs all of your unencrypted channels via digital coax output right?

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CCFL_Man2:

the sat receiver has no ir control, it's a rackmount unit designed to output one channel all the time

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Archer:

alright

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Archer:

wait.. u just said it outputs many channels?

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Archer:

now your saying 1 channel

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kdub:

this all sounds very affordable as well

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CCFL_Man2:

in one transport stream

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CCFL_Man2:

kdub: you gotta save up

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Archer:

alright so could you split that stream to multiple digital tuners?

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kdub:

a transport stream can have multiple channels, all of which you could tune with just one tuner

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kdub:

so dont need to split it

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CCFL_Man2:

one digital tuner can bring it to myth and myth will split the channels out

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Archer:

so 1 tuner could be recording 2 shows at the same time?

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kdub:

but there is no telling how many transport streams they use

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doobeh:

Is there an easy way to toggle between windowed/fullscreen? The only way I can find is to set the GUI size in the menu, but I'd prefer to bind it to F11 (or something)

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Archer:

good luck doobeh

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Archer:

you'd have to mess w/ the hardcode for myth

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doobeh:

Poo.

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doobeh:

:)

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Archer:

given that myth has to re render the frontend when you change that you couldnt do it on the fly

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Archer:

if you have myth in a windo you may be able to maximize it tho

[03:32:42]

Archer:

that should work alright

[03:32:52]

Archer:

but... still have the fram and panels showing

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Archer:

frame*

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kdub:

just buy another monitor

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Archer:

or that.. lol

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doobeh:

nah, two monitors would be annoying for here

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Archer:

damn kdub you're talking about how much this c band thing would cost

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Archer:

now youre saying blow money

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kdub:

yeah i was kidding

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Archer:

i have 2 mon lol

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kdub:

but monitors are dirt cheap

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Archer:

2 17"

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kdub:

i have 1 22" that was $160

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Archer:

2 yrs ago i paid $144 a peice lol

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doobeh:

This ones 24", kind of my main entertainment area, wouldn't want another sitting next to it

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Archer:

yeah.. gotta love how tech keeps getting cheaper makes me feel like i got ripped off

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Archer:

lol

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Archer:

i have a 27" monitor for my main

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Archer:

well its a 27" LCD tv but still lol

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Archer:

looks gooooood lol

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kdub:

i doubt that

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kdub:

720 desktip

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kdub:

desktop

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kdub:

heh

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kdub:

720p*

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Archer:

and it was only $ 360

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Archer:

no the picture looks great in myth

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Archer:

desktop i had to adjust screen fonts and what not

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doobeh:

this does 1920x1200-- cost a fair amount when I got it two years back-- nice though

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doobeh:

held up well

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Archer:

i have it running 1633x7** but i have my tv crop it to 1600x768

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Archer:

i think thats it atleast

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Archer:

i stuck w/ the good old cheap olivia reconditioned off newegg lol

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Archer:

cant complain one bit

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Archer:

works like a dream

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Esotericisms:

is nuvexport still the best way to get a recording in my system converted to divx to compress and honor the cutlist still even though they aren't labeled as nuv files anymore?

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tjcarter:

They're not labeled as nuv files?

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tjcarter:

How are they labeled?

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tjcarter:

(mine are mpg, but I've been using pvr500, so of course they would be..)

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tjcarter:

but what're formerly nuv files labeled as? =D

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i can't get fedex tv on my powervu receiver

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[R]:

is mythweather from trunk currently working?

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levander:

I've got like fuzzy reddish diagonal lines that show up in the background, more noticeably when there's a black background on the screen. Anybody know what that is?

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p903:

can someone recomend a pci tuner card?

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doobeh:

PVR-150 seems to do the trick for me p903

[05:04:27]

p903:

how's the quality?

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doobeh:

Doesn't seem any different to watching it on television-- apart from the fact my monitor is better then my tv

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jhulst:

p903: analog or digital?

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p903:

anolog

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p903:

i found Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150 PCI Interface 1045 Tuner Card – Retail

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p903:

69.99

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jhulst:

p903: There are different kinds depending on included remotes, blasters, etc

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Anduin:

You can usually find one just a little cheaper than that

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jhulst:

The MCE edition is good if you want a remote and baster

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jhulst:

s/baster/blaster

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p903:

I found Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 150 MCE FM 1042 PCI Interface but doesn't unclude remote

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p903:

on newegg

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jhulst:

Heres one with remote and blaster, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116631

[05:10:52]

jhulst:

Not sure if it's the best pricec, Newegg normally seems pretty competitive

[05:14:26]

tjcarter:

jhulst: if you buy the USB remote/blaster yourself, you can beat that price without trying too hard

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p903:

i would like to find it a little cheaper. pricewatch doesn't even have one listed

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tjcarter:

Is there a reason for considerin a 150 at this point?

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jhulst:

tjcarter: The cheapest I've seen those remotes is for around $30-$40 on ebay, I like the peace of mind knowing I got it from a reputable store as well

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jhulst:

He said he wanted analog

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tjcarter:

jhulst: $30ish on Newegg

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jhulst:

tjcarter: link?

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p903:

i read the philips saa7*** chip based cards a good.

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p903:

but can't find any

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p903:

is this what you guys are talking about? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880125001

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tjcarter:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116633 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815144019

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tjcarter:

p903: that one is better than my suggestion I think

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jhulst:

tjcarter: Thanks, I hadn't seen that one before, you're still only saving yourself $5, assuming shipping is the same, but whatever you prefer

[05:23:33]

tjcarter:

jhulst: the advantage is having a USB blaster as well so you can easily trade up from the PVR-150

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jhulst:

The one with the PVR-150 is USB as well

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tjcarter:

IIRC the blaster uses the PVR-150?

[05:24:22]

jhulst:

if you get the MCE edition

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p903:

would the installation be easier either eay?

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jhulst:

Nope, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . 2fMCE+Remote

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p903:

*way

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tjcarter:

jhulst: Okay, I thought it had USB receiver only

[05:26:02]

tjcarter:

but seriously, it's time to look at digital

[05:26:32]

tjcarter:

maybe not time to buy digital, but it's certainly time to start looking

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p903:

yea, i know but I have sd dish network, may upgrade in 2009

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tjcarter:

p903: you'd need another LNB at the least

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p903:

for hd?

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tjcarter:

all of the HD setups I've seen are triple LNB

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p903:

my dish had 3 lnb's

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p903:

i mean has

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p903:

but i have standard recievers

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tjcarter:

ah

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p903:

so when I'm ready, I can just buy a digital reciever and digital tuner card, and be good to go right?

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** tjcarter needs to do more research on the shady setup that gets HD Dish into Linux without going by way of analog **

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tjcarter:

p903: you'll also want the new Hauppauge thing

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p903:

will I have to jump the audio to my sound card input?

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tjcarter:

component video capture and AVC encoder

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tjcarter:

modern setups generally don't use sound card for input

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p903:

good

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tjcarter:

would kinda defeat the purpose of a hardware encoder ;)

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p903:

true, it's just I've been reading a lot of forums about pvr setups. someone had theirs like that

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tjcarter:

it's done with framegrabbers

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tjcarter:

We DO NOT recommend those anymore =D

[05:37:43]

tjcarter:

Not when you can have a hardware encoder for $50

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p903:

I think i'm going to just go with the $95 MCE kit.

[05:38:35]

tjcarter:

cant hurt

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tjcarter:

setup's the same either way

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tjcarter:

if you prefer the kit, it's fine

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p903:

just trying to keep it simple

[05:40:05]

tjcarter:

I generally prefer this non-MCE remote: http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?cPath=21_31 . . . 3aa3f465eb52

[05:40:38]

califdreas:

hi everyone. does anyone know if mythvideo is supporting/will support mp4 files?

[05:41:20]

p903:

will my geforce mx 440 8x be good enough?

[05:41:33]

doobeh:

yeah, gfx card doesn't matter

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tjcarter:

It's simpler for me because it's similar to my RMT-V303, now dead: beloved http://www.dvdremotecontrols.com/Mfrs/Sony/SonyDSS/RMT-V303.jpg

[05:42:25]

tjcarter:

that button layout is so simple and intuitive

[05:42:41]

tjcarter:

It assumes you will never use the numbers, because you won't

[05:42:51]

tjcarter:

who the hell knows or cares what's on channel 416?

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CattyKid:

good evening!

[05:47:16]

CattyKid:

great news, I've got mythbuntu all but set up but have a few questions

[05:47:58]

CattyKid:

i am using a wintv Go and have yet to get audio working, for some reason i cant get asla set up... i believe thats what its called

[05:49:38]

CattyKid:

hello, anyone around please?

[05:50:35]

califdreas:

CattyKid: I'm sorry, but I don't know anything about your tuner or mythbuntu :(

[05:50:39]

doobeh:

I doubt I can help, but do you get sound at all, e.g. can you play some music?

[05:50:52]

doobeh:

or is it just the sound coming from the tvtuner that's not working

[05:51:17]

CattyKid:

thanks for the offers. yes, i can get sound watching, say a wmv video

[05:51:25]

CattyKid:

it is onboard sound

[05:51:43]

doobeh:

does the wintv go have the audio that passes through the soundcard?

[05:52:34]

CattyKid:

well, supposedly it does but this site http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-Go says you can use the asla driver to capture sound off of the card

[05:52:49]

CattyKid:

also, i dont have the passthrough, bought it second hand :(

[05:53:51]

CattyKid:

in addition, apparently the audio is very poor when using the passthrough. do you know someone in here that might be on later who could help with this?

[05:55:01]

doobeh:

if you do /sbin/lspci -v do you get the same info they mention on that page?

[05:55:06]

p903:

tjcarter: this is the same thing right? http://www.techmicro.com/product_p/1062.htm

[05:56:32]

CattyKid:

yeah i think so

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doobeh:

type:

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doobeh:

find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name 'snd[-_]bt87x*'

[05:57:19]

doobeh:

and let me know what it says please

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CattyKid:

okay hold on let me fire it up

[05:57:32]

CattyKid:

btw when i do this

[05:57:33]

CattyKid:

dd if=/dev/dsp1 of=/dev/dsp bs=1K count=33

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CattyKid:

and replace dsp1 with adsp1 i get the 5 second static tone it speaks of

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doobeh:

It's probably working then-- go into mythtv-setup and check what the audio device is set to under.. err.. Capture cards

[06:03:08]

CattyKid:

k

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CattyKid:

it is set to/dev/adsp1

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CattyKid:

what should it be?>

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doobeh:

I was hoping it would be set to something crazy :)

[06:05:27]

CattyKid:

lol

[06:05:50]

CattyKid:

let me try something...

[06:07:08]

CattyKid:

changed it just to adsp

[06:07:13]

CattyKid:

well /dev/adsp

[06:07:26]

CattyKid:

i mean, i can get a high pitched, low squeak

[06:07:35]

CattyKid:

but nothing that even could be tv audio....

[06:07:45]

doobeh:

You never know with modern music..

[06:07:50]

CattyKid:

lol

[06:07:55]

CattyKid:

i think it was batman....

[06:08:34]

doobeh:

try viewing livetv so you're looking at a picture, then try the dd commands again

[06:08:59]

doobeh:

you should get to hear something vaguely resembling tv sounds, rather then just pure static if the cards' tuned in

[06:09:07]

CattyKid:

im sorry, what?

[06:09:22]

CattyKid:

try the dd commands as im viewing tv?

[06:09:35]

doobeh:

yeah-- dd if=/dev/dsp1 of=/dev/dsp bs=1K count=33 <-- that stuff

[06:09:51]

CattyKid:

okay

[06:10:03]

doobeh:

and try the adsp1 one too

[06:10:11]

CattyKid:

only problem is... i dont know how to run the frontend in the background and the terminal...

[06:10:18]

CattyKid:

since the frontend is full screen

[06:10:39]

doobeh:

you can alt-tab to the console window (if you have console open before you begin)

[06:10:50]

doobeh:

or you can set myth to be windowed in the front-end options

[06:10:51]

CattyKid:

hmm just like windows lol

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CattyKid:

okay

[06:15:55]

CattyKid:

adsp1 gave that lower pitched test buzz befpre

[06:16:12]

CattyKid:

adsp said the device was in use

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CattyKid:

so i closed frontend

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CattyKid:

then tried it again.... sounded like it might be right idk.....

[06:16:58]

doobeh:

so you heard something intelligable in the static?

[06:17:38]

CattyKid:

unfortunately not at all :(

[06:19:04]

doobeh:

try going into the front-end, utilites/setup > setup > tv setup > recording profiles and go to the default option

[06:19:16]

doobeh:

skip through the screens to the audio quality screen

[06:19:28]

doobeh:

and change the audio codec to uncompressed

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CattyKid:

k

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CattyKid:

crossing fingers....

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CattyKid:

no luck...

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doobeh:

bah-- well that's exhausted my miniscule amount of knowledge. Hang around and someone who actually knows stuff will turn up

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CattyKid:

hey i really appreciate everything

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CattyKid:

i know we didnt get very far but it means a lot thanks

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doobeh:

When you do work it out, give drop a note on the myth or ubuntu wiki so someone else can hopefully skip right to the solution

[06:28:59]

CattyKid:

okay i will

[06:29:11]

CattyKid:

if it doesnt work i might wind up getting a pvr 150

[06:29:16]

doobeh:

that passthrough cable might be an idea too, if you can't work it out, it'd only be a couple of bucks

[06:29:26]

CattyKid:

know of anywhere that maybe mythtv enthusiasts sell old hardware?

[06:29:39]

CattyKid:

i might be able to dig one up somewhere....

[06:30:02]

CattyKid:

theres gotta be someone with a pvr 150 around somewhere to sell

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califdreas:

I just checked the settings for my framegrabber card. I have it on audio device=/dev/dsp1 and audioratelimit=32000. Maybe that helps?

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doobeh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snd-bt87 . . . r_bt87x_Card

[06:31:29]

doobeh:

You might have already gone through that page-- but if not.. might help

[06:31:41]

doobeh:

and on that, I'm off to sleep :) — Night all.

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** doobeh wanders away into the night **

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CattyKid:

unfortunately yes

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califdreas:

doobeh: g'night

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CattyKid:

dsp1.....

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CattyKid:

hmmmm

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Archer:

hey guys i have a ?

[07:06:32]

Archer:

my mythbox clock is wrong and i'm running arch linux

[07:06:44]

Archer:

is there a way via command line to correct your pc's time?

[07:06:49]

MilhousePunkRock:

Archer: ntpdate installed?

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Archer:

mm i dunno lemme check

[07:07:24]

MilhousePunkRock:

Archer: Do you want to sync it from the internet? Or just set it yourself and make it permanent with the system clock?

[07:07:48]

Archer:

which would u do?

[07:08:29]

MilhousePunkRock:

Archer: Have it synced from the web while the system is running, sync it to the system clock when it's shutting down

[07:08:37]

Archer:

how often does it need to sink.. see i'm connected thru the net via my campus so my pc only has access to the net whenever i get on it and actually log in and we can only log in to net access for 4 hrs at a time then it makes us log in again

[07:08:40]

MilhousePunkRock:

Archer: Which Mythbuntu does automagically

[07:09:08]

Archer:

how do i set it to the system clock first

[07:09:13]

Archer:

i'll try that and see how it does

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Archer:

wait now never mind

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Archer:

i'll to ntp

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Archer:

do i just install it?

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MilhousePunkRock:

Archer: You can also have the clock drift analysed and adjusted

[07:09:39]

Dagmar:

Expecting that the system clock will stay accurate without help of ntpd is _laughable_

[07:09:41]

MilhousePunkRock:

Archer: Install it, and set up a server near you..

[07:09:50]

MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: Hey...

[07:09:58]

Archer:

ok

[07:10:42]

MilhousePunkRock:

Archer: OTOH, do you use any desktop environment? KDE has some clock syncing going on, for instance, so has Gnome

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Archer:

i have ghome

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Archer:

gnome

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Archer:

and i thought gnome came w/ its own software but i cant find it

[07:11:19]

Dagmar:

Gnome expects NTPd to do it's job

[07:11:35]

Dagmar:

There is NO expectation that a user-level app will be able to change the clock time.

[07:11:38]

MilhousePunkRock:

Archer: Right click on the clock in the upper right and see if there are options for syncing it over the web

[07:11:38]

Archer:

both this machine and my other machine (one running myth) have brand new installs of arch and i'm not familiar w/ the new installs

[07:11:58]

Archer:

no it doesnt have that

[07:12:34]

Dagmar:

There's the time-admin app from Gnome System Tools, but that does not act as a time synchronization daemon.

[07:12:35]

MilhousePunkRock:

Archer: Why do you use Arch at all, if you are not that experienced... IIRC Arch is like Gentoo, but with binary packages... You need to know what you're doing for such a distro...

[07:13:04]

MilhousePunkRock:

I've only seen Ubuntu's Gnome, maybe they stuck in something special for that...

[07:13:05]

Archer:

no i know it well just i couldnt remember what i used to use

[07:13:18]

Archer:

my old arch was 2 yrs old

[07:13:26]

Dagmar:

http://www.pool.ntp.org/ <-- don't guess, _read_

[07:13:29]

Archer:

hadnt installed anything on it for over a yr

[07:13:39]

Dagmar:

It takes all of a minute to set up ntpd.

[07:13:41]

Archer:

but decided to redo my partitions so ...

[07:14:08]

MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: Takes 0 seconds with *buntu ;)

[07:14:31]

Dagmar:

Dude, you were talking about the GNOME clock as if it has a time synchronizer built into it like bloody Windows

[07:14:37]

Dagmar:

Don't even try to act superior about this.

[07:14:40]

Archer:

do any of u use a an external hdd for recording to?

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: As I said, it's the case for Ubuntu...

[07:15:30]

Dagmar:

Yes, because it's using time-admin.

[07:15:40]

Dagmar:

I build big effing chunks of Dropline.

[07:15:43]

Dagmar:

Believe me, I know GNOME.

[07:16:07]

Archer:

ok well Dagmar can you help me out then lol

[07:16:13]

Archer:

w/ the time issue

[07:16:22]

Archer:

i think that goin ntp is the way to go yes?

[07:16:23]

Dagmar:

So 1) install ntpd

[07:16:35]

Archer:

i did

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MilhousePunkRock:

Well, I don't... Was a KDE fanboy from the beginning on, only tried Gnome for a short while out of fairness reasons...

[07:17:12]

Dagmar:

Archer: You're in North America someplace?

[07:17:17]

Archer:

yup

[07:17:20]

Dagmar:

So http://pastebin.ca/889853

[07:17:29]

Archer:

in the detroit time zone

[07:17:53]

Dagmar:

There's a total of five uncommented lines in that file, and that's all that really needs to go into /etc/ntp.conf

[07:18:12]

Archer:

ok

[07:18:20]

Dagmar:

Three timeservers from pool.ntp.org, the location of the drift file, and some crap about the log you don't really absolutely need

[07:18:41]

Dagmar:

From that, ntpd will just "do it's thing" without much trouble

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Archer:

alright thanks man

[07:19:13]

Dagmar:

It's really _not_ very complex at all.

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Archer:

i'm sure i could get it on my own no prob under normal circumstances

[07:19:50]

Dagmar:

The docs are about a thousand times more nightmarish than they need to be because they discuss a bunch of highly anal-retentive things about how packet latency affects drift, the types of clock failures, etc etc

[07:19:52]

Archer:

but i've put about a day straight on this

[07:20:07]

Archer:

yeah

[07:20:18]

Archer:

not this time thing but this arch mythtv box

[07:20:19]

Dagmar:

So long as ntpd is started when the system boots, and you've got three clock sources in /etc/ntp.conf, you're pretty much done

[07:20:36]

Archer:

good :)

[07:20:36]

Dagmar:

I've got my service firewall keeping sync, and everything else in the house polling it hourly

[07:20:47]

Dagmar:

1/250th of a second accuracy is plenty for me

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: Didn't Archer say that he is not always online?

[07:21:06]

Archer:

how often does it need to refresh itself

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Dagmar:

MilhousePunkRock: PC clocks tend to drift for two reasons. One being IRQ activity and the other being when the thing is powered off and the hardware clock is screwey.

[07:21:36]

Dagmar:

Both cases are handled as well as they're ever going to be by ntpd.

[07:22:03]

Dagmar:

This is why the drift file is there.

[07:22:12]

Archer:

Dagmar, i'm connected thru my campus connection which ever 4 hours it makes us reauthenicate

[07:22:31]

Archer:

so there will be times of no connection to the net but never for more than a couple days

[07:22:46]

Dagmar:

Archer: So unless you want to spend $100 on clock source hardware, what do you expect to happen when you're offline?

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MilhousePunkRock:

I remember from my NSLU2 that it will sync pretty often if the gap is higher that some amount...

[07:23:07]

Dagmar:

Once the thing has been running awhile, it'll automatically adjust the clock the approx amount it's ever had to

[07:23:14]

Archer:

no i was asking what would happen i'd assume it'd just keep that time it already had right?

[07:23:39]

Dagmar:

Archer: In a few months you might be a minute or two off if your hardware clock is exceptionally unstable.

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Archer:

ok

[07:23:58]

Archer:

good enough for me lol

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Dagmar:

NTPD does not go crazy if you're offline or something..

[07:24:09]

Archer:

alright thats all i needed to hear

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Archer:

Dagmar, u there?

[07:38:28]

Archer:

never mind

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[nrx]:

can someone tell me how i disable live tv recording?

[10:06:33]

purserj:

[nrx]: how do you mean?

[10:06:43]

purserj:

I don't think you can

[10:07:00]

[nrx]:

surely you gotta be able to?

[10:07:08]

purserj:

I don't think so

[10:07:10]

[nrx]:

so it only records programs you elect to record instead of live tv

[10:07:33]

[nrx]:

how long is the auto expire? and can you change that setting?

[10:07:43]

purserj:

24 hours and I believe you can change the setting

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hashbang:

[nrx]: live tv recordings expire pretty quickly, and instantly if you need the space

[10:08:04]

[nrx]:

hmm

[10:08:07]

[nrx]:

yeah, it's not the space..

[10:08:13]

[nrx]:

it's the fact that the machine gets noisy

[10:08:17]

[nrx]:

fans kicking in etc

[10:08:26]

hashbang:

[nrx]: SD or HD?

[10:08:30]

[nrx]:

HD

[10:08:33]

[nrx]:

er

[10:08:33]

[nrx]:

wait

[10:08:38]

[nrx]:

what do you mean

[10:08:39]

[nrx]:

?

[10:08:44]

hashbang:

Standard Def/High Def

[10:08:50]

[nrx]:

SD

[10:08:51]

[nrx]:

:)

[10:09:04]

hashbang:

[nrx]: use a lower-powered machine, then, or seperate FE from BE

[10:09:16]

hashbang:

my combined Myth FE/BE is only a Celeron 1.7

[10:09:56]

hashbang:

[nrx]: but recording live TV is intrinsic to how MythTV works

[10:10:33]

[nrx]:

it/s a 1.8 celeron

[10:10:40]

[nrx]:

and it's combined

[10:10:47]

[nrx]:

newbuild, too

[10:11:57]

[nrx]:

you wouldn't happen to be from the UK, are you? :)

[10:12:06]

[nrx]:

yes!

[10:12:07]

[nrx]:

:D

[10:12:09]

[nrx]:

question for you

[10:12:20]

[nrx]:

had any issues with some channels not displaying correctly? as though they're encrypted?

[10:12:38]

DustyBin:

im from uk and never had that problem

[10:12:51]

[nrx]:

gah

[10:12:55]

[nrx]:

ITV3 doesn't show for me

[10:13:07]

[nrx]:

and various others... the picture is all messed up but the sound is perfect

[10:13:13]

DustyBin:

[nrx]: is your antenna up to scratch?

[10:13:34]

DustyBin:

use a booster what is connected directly to where your antenna is located

[10:13:37]

[nrx]:

i know the signal is fine and the aerial is fine.. the card worked in my windows machine fine with the same aerial and it also working fine when I had the actual freeview box in

[10:13:51]

DustyBin:

what card

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[nrx]:

Nova-T

[10:14:03]

DustyBin:

same as me

[10:14:07]

DustyBin:

i have no problems at all

[10:14:09]

[nrx]:

as I say, it worked fine in the windows box

[10:14:15]

DustyBin:

try re-tuning all the channels

[10:14:19]

[nrx]:

yeah

[10:14:31]

[nrx]:

DustyBin, do you have the hauppauge remote, too?

[10:14:37]

DustyBin:

re-plug in and check all the antenna cabling

[10:14:43]

DustyBin:

yes

[10:14:44]

hashbang:

[nrx]: weather conditions can have an effect, too

[10:15:01]

[nrx]:

DustyBin, when you're watching TV, how do you 'exit' to get back to the main menu?

[10:15:03]

DustyBin:

[nrx]: newer kernels support that card out of the box

[10:15:13]

hashbang:

I use a Nova-T and a Nova-T-500 with FC8, and it just works.

[10:15:35]

DustyBin:

[nrx]: i press back/exit on the remote

[10:15:39]

hashbang:

[nrx]: Escape, or the remote exit button

[10:15:46]

[nrx]:

remote exit button doesn't work for me :(

[10:15:56]

hashbang:

[nrx]: got lircd running?

[10:15:57]

[nrx]:

fancy sending me your lircd.conf and lircrc?

[10:16:01]

[nrx]:

yes

[10:16:02]

DustyBin:

[nrx]: make sure your using a good lirc config for it

[10:16:08]

DustyBin:

[nrx]: ok hold on

[10:16:15]

[nrx]:

thanks :)

[10:16:27]

[nrx]:

last night before I went to bed, I was set with irrecord to get them all

[10:16:37]

[nrx]:

i have an lircd.conf that's working.. it's just not quite right

[10:16:47]

hashbang:

[nrx]: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Cow . . . a-Red_Remote

[10:18:08]

DustyBin:

[nrx]: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2478 <-- lircd.conf

[10:18:25]

DustyBin:

[nrx]: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-T-500

[10:18:50]

DustyBin:

[nrx]: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI

[10:19:03]

DustyBin:

all the information you will ever need regarding that card

[10:19:10]

wireddd:

I hate my hauppauge remote

[10:19:18]

wireddd:

it sucks

[10:19:21]

hashbang:

wireddd: the remote unit itself?

[10:19:25]

wireddd:

yeah

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DustyBin:

i like it, its nice and solid

[10:19:32]

hashbang:

wireddd: what about it?

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wireddd:

ir is to weak, and the sensor is crap

[10:20:11]

wireddd:

if it isn't pointed right at it, it doesn't work

[10:20:12]

[nrx]:

can i steal your lircrc too? :)

[10:20:14]

DustyBin:

wireddd: replace it then!

[10:20:23]

DustyBin:

[nrx]: ok hold on

[10:20:25]

wireddd:

I did, with a wireless keyboard :P

[10:20:25]

[nrx]:

wireddd, does for me. I can be in the next room and it works

[10:20:33]

hashbang:

wireddd: use new batteries, try using non-fluorescent lighting

[10:20:40]

wireddd:

I think I got one of the crappy remotes

[10:20:58]

[nrx]:

DustyBin, can I query you?

[10:21:22]

wireddd:

yeah, is there an 802.11b remote?

[10:21:26]

wireddd:

because that would rock

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[nrx]:

do people have their volume control set to adjust volume of MythTV, or the OS?

[10:23:20]

hashbang:

[nrx]: I use the volume up/down controls as page up/down in the GUI

[10:23:47]

hashbang:

wireddd: you could look into using a bluetooth phone, perhaps...

[10:24:22]

wireddd:

nah, I guess I just need to find a better ir remote

[10:24:55]

hashbang:

wireddd: current generic programmable remotes seem to work

[10:25:09]

wireddd:

they don't work with mine

[10:25:10]

hashbang:

wireddd: I have a Welltech model I bought from Lidl for 5GBP which works

[10:25:28]

wireddd:

I'll have to get a new ir reciever

[10:25:32]

wireddd:

or whatever you call it

[10:26:14]

hashbang:

wireddd: I'm not sure that'll make any difference, unless you're building a serial one

[10:26:41]

DustyBin:

[nrx]: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2479 <- lircc

[10:26:53]

[nrx]:

thanks

[10:27:01]

wireddd:

the one that is built into my tuner card doesn't pick up any codes except for the remote it came with

[10:28:04]

DustyBin:

[nrx]: dont bother with links, just place the lircrc file inside .mythtv in your home folder

[10:28:12]

AndyCap:

Sweet: New drivers have been added for ... Xceive xc2028 and xc5000 tuners... (of kernel 2.6.25)

[10:28:54]

[nrx]:

okay

[10:28:59]

hashbang:

wireddd: what extra codes do you want it to receive?

[10:29:41]

wireddd:

I was just complaining about things in general, it would be nice though it I could get one of the other dozen remotes I have to work with it

[10:30:04]

hashbang:

wireddd: get a cheapy all-in-one job, like the Welltech I mentioned

[10:30:19]

hashbang:

wireddd: then program it up to mimic all the remotes you have

[10:31:49]

wireddd:

I have a bunch of those, but the ir thing on my tuner is picky

[10:32:17]

hashbang:

wireddd: no, your remote needs to have the codes built-in

[10:32:39]

hashbang:

wireddd: if you buy a fairly current one, the manual should have a code for Hauppauge cards

[10:32:46]

wireddd:

hmm

[10:32:48]

wireddd:

interesting

[10:32:59]

[nrx]:

still can't get my back/exit key to work *sighs*

[10:34:04]

wireddd:

there has to be some kind of rf remote I can buy

[10:34:40]

hashbang:

wireddd: probably, but then it won't work with your IR devices

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wireddd:

that doesn't really matter all that much

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[nrx]:

argh. now none of my channels work

[10:35:12]

hashbang:

wireddd: are you using fluoresccent lighting?

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wireddd:

it doesn't work well if I turn off all of the lights

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hashbang:

right, OK – just fluorescent lighting and IR remotes can sometimes have probs

[10:36:25]

wireddd:

hmm, anyone got an ATI Remote Wonder?

[10:37:43]

Dagmar:

Maybe if you have a craptacular reciever

[10:38:00]

Dagmar:

Floros and IR should not interfere with each other under normal conditions

[10:38:12]

Dagmar:

They operate in two WHOLLY separate frequency bands

[10:38:55]

hashbang:

Dagmar: sure. some people report problems, though.

[10:39:10]

Dagmar:

Probably homebrew recievers

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[10:39:17]

Dagmar:

...and reporting a problem doesn't mean there is one

[10:39:17]

hashbang:

Dagmar: nope

[10:39:30]

hashbang:

Dagmar: google for 'fluorescent lighting IR remote'

[10:41:27]

Dagmar:

Again, this is not a "normal" condition by any means

[10:42:42]

hashbang:

Dagmar: well, if CFL and remote system mfg'ers take care, probably not. But it's common enough to indicate that there is some rubbish kit out there.

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internat85:

howdy, Are there any plug in for myth that allow it to link into itunes "shared" library for playlists and stuff?

[10:43:40]

internat85:

but on the fly, rather then some of the playlist to xml type things

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** justinh wonders if the impasse in the ivtv input switching code has been solved yet **

[11:01:53]

Dagmar:

I need to find another ip stack exploit for Windows

[11:02:48]

justinh:

looks like the impasse remains. oh dear. no channel-change-o for new kernel users of ivtv

[11:02:59]

justinh:

at least not without patching, anyway. ouchy

[11:03:07]

Dagmar:

Hmm... I can change channels just fine

[11:03:15]

justinh:

Dagmar: what kernel though?

[11:03:36]

justinh:

2.6.24 is reputed to have the problem

[11:03:52]

Dagmar:

Those people should make a decision

[11:04:08]

justinh:

I don't use it anymore personally (ivtv I mean) but I'm concerned for all the poor ickle users

[11:04:13]

Dagmar:

Whether they want to watch TV, or whether or not they want to spend all their time rebooting the machine from installing new kernels..

[11:04:22]

justinh:

will nobody think of the children?

[11:04:33]

Dagmar:

90% of the jackasses installing the things never even consider looking at the Changelogs anyway

[11:05:13]

justinh:

yeah well if it's not fixed before 2.6.24 ships with mainstream distros..

[11:05:35]

justinh:

there may trouble ahead ;)

[11:05:35]

Dagmar:

Not likely to happen this week

[11:05:53]

justinh:

and you know for sure where that trouble will end up!

[11:05:58]

Dagmar:

Someone will just wind up rolling back their change

[11:06:24]

justinh:

or backing down & committing the patch

[11:06:31]

** justinh crosses everything **

[11:06:35]

Dagmar:

Whatever makes it work again

[11:06:52]

justinh:

won't just be mythtv it breaks either. makes a change ;)

[11:07:02]

Dagmar:

Personally, I think if there's contention, then things SHOULD be rolled back to the point where things weren't broken until the two parties argue it out amongst themselves.

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justinh:

damn egos, always getting in the way of the force... er. source

[11:08:37]

justinh:

need to start finishing off that code so mythappearance can be pulled. a new concept, the temporary plugin

[11:11:17]

[nrx]:

what's 'commfree' ?

[11:12:03]

[nrx]:

under settings, channel settings, from the web frontend

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justinh:

commercial free. for channels you know don't carry commercials, or just those you never want recordings to be commflagged from

[11:13:12]

Dagmar:

i.e., "nowhere"

[11:13:22]

justinh:

or in the UK, BBC channels :)

[11:13:28]

Dagmar:

Yeah there is that

[11:13:32]

justinh:

or more accurately, all channels

[11:13:41]

justinh:

cos commflagging seldom works for UK TV

[11:13:51]

justinh:

or indeed in the rest of Europe

[11:14:29]

[nrx]:

oh ok. thanks :)

[11:16:25]

[nrx]:

and the fine tune? lol

[11:16:42]

[nrx]:

i ask.. because some of my channels that i should be receiving fine.. aren't showing correctly

[11:16:59]

AndyCap:

if only they could implement the MHP commercial flagging that philips patented

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AndyCap:

[nrx]: got the right frequency table selected?

[11:18:36]

[nrx]:

AndyCap, most of the channels are fine... just there's a few with a screwed up picture (like it's encrypted) but the sound's okay on them

[11:18:54]

[nrx]:

i know the aerial is fine – it works perfectly with the freeview box.. and the same card works in a windows box fine, too

[11:24:32]

Dagmar:

You know...

[11:24:53]

Dagmar:

The BBC really needs a good bitchslapping for allowing this "If you are in the US you cannot view this website for rights reasons" thing to happen

[11:25:40]

Dagmar:

Get _someone to promote the freaking content in the US_ and _then_ worry about routing US traffic to those people.

[11:26:12]

Dagmar:

The BBC America site has all the detail and satisfaction of a Taco Bell Burrito

[11:26:52]

[nrx]:

lol

[11:27:30]

Dagmar:

There's tons of Dr WHo info on the BBC uk site

[11:27:56]

Dagmar:

You go to the BBC America site and you get the distinct impression their opinion on the matter is "Yeah, we aired some of that once or twice."

[11:28:19]

justinh:

bah Dr. Who

[11:28:31]

** Dagmar stabs justinh in his lying mouht. **

[11:28:55]

Dagmar:

Hmm.... time to get some food

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** justinh tries to figure out which .pro file to edit to get 3 files installed at the right place **

[11:44:08]

justinh:

ah right. none

[11:50:41]

justinh:

now I need to work out a couple of things left over from last night's discoveries

[11:50:58]

justinh:

like why it's trying to connect to the backend. really shouldn't need to do that!

[11:51:00]

Dagmar:

What's this mythappearance thing supposed to do anyway?"

[11:51:38]

justinh:

give the user a much easier way of setting the GUI size

[11:52:03]

Dagmar:

Ah

[11:52:05]

justinh:

comes up, there's an arrow at the top left hand side of the screen. move the arrow with cursor keys

[11:52:15]

Dagmar:

You're about to open a whole 'nother realm of crazy support mails, don't you?

[11:52:27]

justinh:

press select, the top left arrow disappears & one comes up at the bottom right

[11:52:30]

Dagmar:

s/you're/you know you're/;

[11:52:53]

Dagmar:

Sounds like a good idea

[11:52:56]

justinh:

press menu, you can save or reset the settings and toggle the movement amount between 1 & 10 pixels

[11:53:31]

justinh:

what it can't do is draw the arrows outside the current window, so if it's too small to fit your telly, you'll have to reset the size so it goes fullscreen

[11:53:47]

justinh:

but then, no mythtv code can draw outside the current window :P

[11:53:58]

Dagmar:

No Qt app can

[11:54:11]

Dagmar:

afaik the only thing that can facilitate that is compiz

[11:54:31]

justinh:

oh I know all about the emails there are gonna be. already found out the arrows are to small. I forgot people still watch telly on goldfish bowls

[11:55:03]

Dagmar:

Well, I just Googled for 'mythappearance' and saw about a jillion Gentoo references

[11:55:31]

justinh:

I'll WTFM on it when it's committed. didn't bother before since it was likely to change a lot

[11:55:49]

justinh:

there are ebuilds of it?! ye gads!!!!!

[11:55:57]

Dagmar:

They're _trying_ anyway

[11:56:26]

justinh:

what's the point of package repos & ebuilds being indexed by google anyhow? never got that

[11:56:42]

justinh:

only gets in the bloody way

[11:57:53]

justinh:

if I can just fix this issue of it connecting to the backend.. I have a theory about it but dunno how to go about changing it

[11:59:11]

justinh:

I think it's something to do with one of the settings classes I use to inquire about the current gui dimensions & offsets. when it was a plugin I don't think it connected to the backend but I can't be sure

[11:59:54]

justinh:

time to have a good ole dig in cuymedia

[12:00:30]

Dagmar:

...or to just strace it

[12:00:45]

justinh:

strace? interesting. never done that before

[12:01:08]

Dagmar:

It's a bit spammy (understatement) but if you really have to know where your code execution path goes, it will tell you

[12:01:30]

justinh:

and a quick google shows it's easy as pie to invoke. lovely

[12:01:32]

AndyCap:

well, it will tell you what system calls it executes.

[12:01:46]

AndyCap:

if your code runs off on its own you're out of luck

[12:01:56]

justinh:

ah

[12:01:59]

Dagmar:

That's not true..

[12:02:10]

justinh:

I'll give it a go. costs nowt to try

[12:02:28]

AndyCap:

and most code that does anything interesting at all has to interact with the system

[12:02:59]

Dagmar:

I have had to use it several times ot figure out WTF certain bits of GNOME were doing.

[12:04:42]

Dagmar:

justinh: This would be a good time to put -g back into the CFLAGS for your builds if you took it out. ;)

[12:05:20]

justinh:

it's loading appear-ui.xml then going right into the backend connection. nothing new from that strace

[12:05:34]

justinh:

so I can only summise it must be to do with the settings class

[12:07:14]

justinh:

gContext->GetScreenSettings(m_screenwidth, m_wmult, m_screenheight, m_hmult);

[12:07:45]

justinh:

I'll have a dig & see if that should differ between plugins & mythfrontend itself

[12:09:46]

justinh:

mythcontext.cpp should yield some answers

[12:10:40]

justinh:

what? looks like it always tries to connect to the backend

[12:11:13]

Dagmar:

You were using GetScreenBounds, yes?

[12:11:31]

justinh:

>GetScreenSettings

[12:12:01]

Dagmar:

Ah I see

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Dagmar:

Look at MythContextPrivate::Init

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Dagmar:

Doesn't look like talking to the DB is an optional thing

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Dagmar:

Meh more hardcoded font names

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justinh:

what about const bool promptForBackend

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Dagmar:

What I see is it going to StoreGUIsettings and then calling GetNumSetting several times

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justinh:

ach to hell with it. I'm not messing about with that

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justinh:

could cause untold breakage

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justinh:

if users with no backend want to use it they'll have to endure the harmless popup

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Dagmar:

Not to mention the voices in their heads

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

I've decided that if the boss still isn't happy with this when it's all done, I officially give up on it

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justinh:

looks like anything which uses gContext->GetScreenSettings is always going to try to connect to the backend.. unless anybody knows of a way to stop it without changing mythcontext.cpp – I really don't want to touch that

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justinh:

heh unless... I just make my own code to do what gContext->GetScreenSettings does & don't involve the backend.. messy though

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justinh:

don't any other plugins use that? and if so how do people without backends put up with all the popping up?

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justinh:

have to concede it's a fairly unlikely case though

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justinh:

and onto the other matter. keeping gContext->removeCurrentLocation(); from being run until mythappearance has finished its business in http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . uiltin.patch

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justinh:

must be launching mythappearance->Create() as a new thread or something

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justinh:

that's a void, incase you were wondering

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justinh:

wonder if giving it a return value & testing that would do the trick

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levander:

Has anyone else noticed fuzzy diagonal lines in the background of their television video?

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ciphergot1:

I've just completely purged mythv and mysql from my system and re-installed from the stable packages from debian-multimedia. When mythtv-setup starts, the text describing the menu options is completely absent!

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Dagmar:

_Describing_ the menu options?

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Dagmar:

There's no description on those.

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Dagmar:

All you get is menu items.

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ciphergot1:

there are no menu items at all!

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ciphergot1:

Hang on, let me show you a screencap

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ciphergot1:

http://hacks.ciphergoth.org/mythtv-blank.png

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sid3windr:

woops. minimalistictv

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Dagmar:

Okay, so _did you recreate the database_?

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ciphergot1:

I had hoped the Debian packages would do that for me

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Dagmar:

You do still need to do the mysql < mythtv.mc thing agian

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Dagmar:

..and after you've done that, if it still doesn't work, start with -O ThemePainter=Qt

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Dagmar:

...or try, anyway.

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ciphergot1:

It says it's using the Qt painter already

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ciphergot1:

2008-02–03 12:53:35.211 Using the Qt painter

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rooaus:

ciphergot1: Check you have msttcorefonts installed. Goodluck.

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Dagmar:

I don't _care_ what it's using already

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Dagmar:

If you did that before you re-setup the database, you're probably your own worst enemy on this

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ciphergot1:

did what?

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ciphergot1:

I tried to do the most vanilla install possible: purge *everything*, then install the mythtv package and its dependencies

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Dagmar:

But you apparently didn't bother to reinitialize the database or create the mythconverg tables

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ciphergot1:

the Debian packages are supposed ot do that!

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ciphergot1:

rooaus: you got it!

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Dagmar:

Since when?

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ciphergot1:

since Debian was invented pretty much

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Dagmar:

Okay. I'm done. I suggest you look at the installation guide and check every little piece

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ciphergot1:

anyway, rooaus hit the nail on the head: it was the missing msttcorefonts

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Dagmar:

I'm not going to sit here and _argue_ about _your_ problem

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ciphergot1:

Dagmar: you don't have to – rooaus solved it

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ciphergot1:

I'm grateful for your suggestions, but this story has a happy ending now!

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sid3windr:

however I wonder how it was working previously, if you didn't have the correct fonts installed

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sid3windr:

as purging mythtv won't kill the ms fonts

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Dagmar:

Yeah I'm a little irked that apparently "removed all the mythtv packages, then put them all back" wasn't actually true, but whatever

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zabadapp:

Why is the ide-LED of my mythbox flashing at (almost exactly) 2Hz? When I first noticed it was doing something with the disk non-stop, it was flashing at "only" 1Hz. I tried disabling hal-disable-polling, and I tried btrace to see what was accessing the disk (turned out it was only kjournald and pdflush doing anything, and at a much lower frequency than the flashing) ... I tried killing off as many processes I

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zabadapp:

could (lcdproc, mythbackend and so on) but it only goes away if I boot "safe" ... i.e. root-shell in the console. Any idea? No file in /var/log is growing, and the system is idle ...

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Dagmar:

So what's making you think MythTV is doing it?

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zabadapp:

because i was logged in to #myth :-) ... you're right, it's probably not myths fault but i figured the silent/cool goals of a htpc would make linux people at #myth more likely to have been disturbed by something similar?

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[nrx]:

ello

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doobeh:

Where can I look at the XML TV files that Mythfilldatabase downloaded-- I need to get the xmlid for a channel without wanting to reset all my channels

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squish102:

can mythtv play audio out both the stereo and spidf at the same time?

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squish102:

sometimes i want to listen to something on tv and othertimes i would like to fire up the home theater

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squish102:

when watching a show

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zabadapp:

doobeh: less .mythtv/<name_of_source>.xmltv

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doobeh:

thanks zab

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zabadapp:

squish102: if I have "pass through ac3 to spdif" checked in the settings, I get digital audio to my surround-amp as well as analog to my TV.

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zabadapp:

squish102: but only for watching tv and dvds with myths internal player though

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squish102:

thanks zabadapp

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squish102:

i wonder if i could figure out how to encode dvd's to xvids and still get the same feature

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moegreen:

iamlindoro you around?

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justinh:

squish102: normally you just unmute IEC958 in the linux mixer of your choice & everything played through pcm goes out of spdif too. and then ac3 & DTS can be passed through as usual :)

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Yggdrasil:

can somone tell me the easiest way to find what version im running?

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justinh:

mythfrontend --version

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Yggdrasil:

thnks

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justinh:

note – some packaged versions lie!

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justinh:

omg. bbc are showing that game where people prance around a field in body armour

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Yggdrasil:

vdr@VDRI:~/.kde/Autostart$ mythfrontend --version

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Yggdrasil:

Library API version : 0.21.20070820–1

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Yggdrasil:

Source code version : 14255M

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Yggdrasil:

SVN Branch : trunk

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Yggdrasil:

Network Protocol Version: 35

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Yggdrasil:

Options compiled in:

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justinh:

pastebin!

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Ryushin:

My wife is not happy right now. Can someone help me with a problem. She's scheduling to record a show right now on the web interface, but it keeps showing a red outline around the show. It's currently on right now.

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Ryushin:

I've never seen this before.

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squish102:

is the backend status showing that it is recording?

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squish102:

on the web interface?

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Ryushin:

The backend really isn't logging anything about it.

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Ryushin:

The backend status shows that it's not recording at all.

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Anduin:

It is probably the "not listed" problem that occasionally hits with now showing things.

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Anduin:

You can go to live tv, switch to the channel, and hit r

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Ryushin:

Putting the mouse over the name of the show, it says "This showing was scheduled to record but was manually canceled." How do I override that.

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Ryushin:

The show is going to be on again. So that's no big deal. I would just like to get this sorted.

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Ryushin:

The wife is saying she wants a tivo. Not a chance I'm going to get one of those.

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Anduin:

Ryushin: Do you have an actual frontend with a different message?

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Ryushin:

I can bring up one of my other frontends. I'm trying to do this remotely though.

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[nrx]:

hm. i've added video's to mythtv's shared folder.. but mythtv doesn't seem to pick them up

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[nrx]:

video's section appears empty

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Anduin:

[nrx]: Did you scan?

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Anduin:

(run the video manager)

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[nrx]:

okay :)

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tyce:

anyone in here using mythfrontend on an apple?

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Anduin:

[nrx]: If you switch to file browse mode you don't need to scan

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kleinerdrache:

hi there

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tyce:

I;ve only seen this on the apples I run the frontend on, but if I hit the skip forward button twice too fast, it returns me to the beginning of what I'm watching

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tyce:

any idea why that may occur?

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Ryushin:

Okay, the problem is that the web interface doesn't have a way to reactivate the recording if it was canceled. (At least not that I can see) Using the frontend, I was able to reactiviate it.

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ARfdee:

errr

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ARfdee:

what's the superbowl listed as in listings?:)

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kleinerdrache:

I'm using mythtv-setup to scan for the channels. but the settings for the channels the mythtv-setup creates are used by mythtv-backend and produce

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kleinerdrache:

2008-02–03 18:03:11.260 DVBChan(0) Warning: Your frequency setting (11953500) is out of range. (min/max:64000000/1300000000)

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kleinerdrache:

2008-02–03 18:03:11.260 DVBChan(0) Warning: Symbol Rate setting (27500000) is out of range (min/max:870000/11700000)

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kleinerdrache:

what am I doing wrong?

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kleinerdrache:

how can I deal with that?

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justinh:

Hz vs kHz

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justinh:

importing a channels.conf?

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justinh:

or actually scanning?

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kleinerdrache:

a actually scanning

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kleinerdrache:

where I created the first transponders with the wscan utility, which makes a initial-data file.

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kleinerdrache:

and then many channels were found on scanning all transponders

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kleinerdrache:

and i rescanned all transponders twice.

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justinh:

I've seen that problem before but I can't remember what the fix is

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kleinerdrache:

justinh: do you have an idea where to look for the solution?

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kleinerdrache:

its maybe a dvb-c problem?

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justinh:

maybe you just have to stop trying to do a full scan and enter some details like an initial tuning frequency for the scan instead

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[nrx]:

how come during live tv playback, the back button exits mythtv?

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justinh:

[nrx]: because!

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kleinerdrache:

justinh: hm. I could try...

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justinh:

kleinerdrache: that's a bug in mythtv as far as I have been able to find out. you need to do a tuned scan and put the numbers in yourself

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justinh:

add three zeros (000) to the numbers you have and it should work

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kleinerdrache:

thanks, I'll try

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justinh:

[nrx]: do you mean Esc or left arrow ?

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[nrx]:

well, it seems the 'stop' button on my remote is the back/cancel button for my setup

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[nrx]:

it works everywhere else.. except with live TV playback.. if you hit it, it closes tv, briefly you get the blue background (from the theme) then it quits

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[nrx]:

and you have to restart MythTV

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justinh:

heh you've got it mapped to too many things then

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[nrx]:

it's a standard lircrc

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justinh:

you can get the quit to work on a different key or disable it

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Dagmar:

[nrx]: Helpful trick... run `ircat mythtv` from a command line (while the frontend is NOT running if you don't want chaos!) and you will see it tell you what symbols Myth is being told when you push buttons

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justinh:

[nrx]: you mean it's somebody else's lircrc

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[nrx]:

well, i tried to get it to work with the actual Back/Exit key.. but that didn't work

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[nrx]:

so what's the config durin TV Playback to get back to the main menu? 'Esc' ?

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[nrx]:

need to reduce the noise the machine makes, too

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[nrx]:

fans are going nuts

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[nrx]:

doc's say 'ESC' is 'quits'

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[nrx]:

surely other folk can actually stop live tv and go back to the main frontend?

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[nrx]:

even hitting esc on the keyboard causes it to quit completely

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justinh:

I never stop livetv

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justinh:

I never go in there :P

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justinh:

it's not even in any of my menus

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[nrx]:

hm?

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justinh:

no livetv. ever

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[nrx]:

you don't watch tv on it?

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justinh:

never

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[nrx]:

er, why not? :)

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justinh:

livetv is like.. _so_ last century man

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[nrx]:

lol

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[nrx]:

it's so annoying. What if you're watching tv.. and then you wanna listen to music? You can't! it quits, then you need to get up and re-launch mythtv.. then carry on etc

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justinh:

ooooo it's 8:55PM. I need to hurry downstairs & sit down in front of the telly cos there's something I want to watch!

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justinh:

:-\

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justinh:

and if you have time in your life to waste sitting there grazing channels hour after hour, you need a new life!

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[nrx]:

uh

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[nrx]:

wtf

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[nrx]:

all i want to do it stop watching tv

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[nrx]:

ffs

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kleinerdrache:

justinh: seems not to work, causes other errors

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kleinerdrache:

2008-02–03 19:49:27.366 DVBTuning Error: Invalid symbol rate parameter '0', aborting.

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[nrx]:

why are some channels showing as though they're encrypted, when they're not?

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justinh:

oh nice. my muzak subscription service has some nice 12" mixes of early housey housey

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NTAuthority:

it's time to test the PAF of my mythtv setup :)

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NTAuthority:

(Parents Approval Factor, just like WAF ;) )

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justinh:

sit em down in front of it, give them the remote & run away!

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justinh:

move house & change your phone numbers

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NTAuthority:

and they already came up with 1 problem: aspect ratio fill stretches 4:3 broadcasts out of the screen

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justinh:

shouldn't do

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NTAuthority:

my solution: link w to a remote button no-one uses :P

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NTAuthority:

it's on a 16:10 screen

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justinh:

eeew

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NTAuthority:

but otherwise stangely 16:9 broadcasts appear with black bars

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NTAuthority:

when using 16/9 rartio

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justinh:

why strange? that's expected behaviour

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NTAuthority:

because it means changing from fill to 16/9 when switching to 16:9 and 4:3 broadcasts ;)

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NTAuthority:

but that was also needed on windows media center :)

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NTAuthority:

-- and linking the dvd menu button no-one uses to w makes everyone happy

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NTAuthority:

(but restarting mythfrontend won't, so i'll do that tomorrot :P )

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** quicksilver attempts to compile myth from SVN and wonders how many things will go wrong. **

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quicksilver:

QT3, right?

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justinh:

always

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quicksilver:

thanks

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quicksilver:

well configure is happy now and make is running.

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** quicksilver crosses fingers. **

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meshugga:

is there a way to have teletext (not eit/epg) via dvb-c?

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justinh:

don't reckon there is

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** quicksilver blinks as libqt3-mt-dev pulls in 15MB of dependencies. **

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[nrx]:

argh. I can't get these damn channels to work!

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otwin:

meshugga: teletext over dvb-c works here

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meshugga:

otwin: how?

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otwin:

meshugga: it just works – while watching recording -> menu -> toggle teletext menu

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justinh:

T

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justinh:

or is teletext something else? a RTFM would cure that..

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quicksilver:

is there a particular trick for running programs 'in-situ' in a myth build tree?

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otwin:

hmm, 'T' seems to have changed – it does sth Teletext but not like through the menu

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justinh:

quicksilver: que?

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quicksilver:

justinh: if I try to run mythtv directly from programs/mythtv/mythtv I get an undefined symbol error

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quicksilver:

justinh: I'm trying to test something without doing make install

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quicksilver:

maybe that's not possibel :)

[20:19:28]

justinh:

quicksilver: possibly not

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justinh:

quicksilver: what are you up to?

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quicksilver:

trying to check out if my recording still segfaults the SVN HEAD version of myth

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otwin:

quicksilver: compile it with another prefix – i have svn and fixes build alongside, just symlinking /usr/local/mythtv

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quicksilver:

but being a bit scared to actually install it properly :)

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otwin:

quicksilver: just make sure you have a DB backup

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quicksilver:

otwin: well it does have a different prefix I guess, since my debian pacakges are in /usr and this build will be in /usr/local

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Meliorator:

hi all, is there anyway to setup mythtv (or something similar?) to allow windows media center extenders to connect to it (ie watch tv like that)?

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justinh:

MCE extenders work with MCE. mythtv != MCE

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meshugga:

otwin, justinh: does this work on the ubuntu gutsy version?

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meshugga:

i cant find a toggle teletext menu and neither works "t"

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Meliorator:

justinh: could i with Linux MCE (eg with mythtv + pluto)?

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justinh:

linuxMCE != MS MCE

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justinh:

those extender things aren't worth a light, they're too expensive for what they can do IMHO

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otwin:

meshugga: i'm running trunk, not packages – so can't tell you

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[nrx]:

are there any options for changing MUX?

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justinh:

Meliorator: some network media player boxes with upnp can work with mythtv but not for livetv

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Meliorator:

i'm just thinking...you can run XBMC on linux and XBMC will act as a window media center extender...so i'm figuring it's possible...

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justinh:

but mythtv is completely different to windows MCE

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justinh:

_completely_ _different_

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justinh:

what works with MS MCE will not necessarily work with anything else. just because they're effectively doing the same kind of thing, it doesn't make em compatible

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Meliorator:

i appreciate that, i was trying to find out if mythtv supported the same protocols(?)

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justinh:

upnp

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justinh:

that's it

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** quicksilver looks nervous as his schema gets upgraded **

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justinh:

and btw the U in upnp – although it stands for 'universal' – it doesn't mean than in practise. more like "a universe of differences"

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justinh:

s/than/that

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quicksilver:

woo, it works!

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quicksilver:

evidently a bug that was fixed.

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Meliorator:

ok, so, i guess i could look at it another way; what windows based application could i use to act as a upnp device?

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justinh:

Meliorator: upnp doesn't work with livetv

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quicksilver:

hmm

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Meliorator:

bah

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quicksilver:

SVN version is not seeing my remote control though

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justinh:

Meliorator: but I've used Nero ShowCenter with mythtv before to watch recordings. it's sucky. showcenter is crashy

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Meliorator:

so there's no way to stream live tv with mythtv?

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justinh:

Meliorator: yeah, to a mythtv frontend

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quicksilver:

Hmm

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Meliorator:

hmph =(

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quicksilver:

OSD is all flickery.

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quicksilver:

does that sound like deinterlacing going wrong?

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quicksilver:

actual video looks OK to me.

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[nrx]:

where does mythtv store the channel frequencies?

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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black_Nightmare_:

not sure why I seem to forget things at times but meh didn't someone in here have some kind of receiver that also had firewire onboard for digital video streaming over?

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tyce:

been searching and can't seem to figure out why when I hit the skip forward button to fast, it restarts the show at the beginning... anyone here point me in the right direction?

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quicksilver:

sounds like your seektable is broken

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quicksilver:

for that show, at least

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tyce:

it doesn't happen on my linux frontends though... only on the frontends running on macs

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black_Nightmare_:

(was just wondering about a system that didn't have any room for tv tuner card but did have firewire onboard nevertheless)

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blackest:

well sounds like a pain in the ... its possible thou

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justinh:

[nrx]: depends. for analogue channels, in the channel table. for digital, in the dtv_multiplex table IIRC

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black_Nightmare_:

hey justinh been a while :p

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quicksilver:

OK, why would it not be connecting to lirc?

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quicksilver:

0.20.2 was fine with lirc...

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jmusits:

so apparently mythvideo's internal player doesn't want to pipe sound to my sound card

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justinh:

black_Nightmare_: aye. been busy coding this weekend. fun fun fun fun fun! :-\

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justinh:

jmusits: pvr350 eh?

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jmusits:

yeah

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justinh:

jmusits: word is, you have to take the pvr350 audio out & put it into a spare line input on the soundcard

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justinh:

jmusits: if you want to use both, that is

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justinh:

which you apparently do ;)

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** justinh wonders who'll eventually come along (if anybody) & maintain pvr350 support in mythtv... **

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black_Nightmare_:

justinh heh well if you don't mind me asking a stupid question.. is mythtv all 2D based or no?

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justinh:

all 2d

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justinh:

a 3d ui would be awful

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jmusits:

justinh: well if that were the case there would be audio coming out of the pvr350

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blackest:

oh man you seen borat cultural learnings of america its killin me

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black_Nightmare_:

heh justinh...was just wondering about re video cards...ty ;)

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justinh:

blackest: yeah. when he's singing the national anthem.. omg

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blackest:

he just got an animal for protection

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blackest:

dirty great bear hanging out an ice cream truck

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sshirley:

hi all

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sshirley:

if i install mythbuntu using a vga monitor and i select s-video output for the main output, will that work?

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justinh:

sshirley: no idea, though I guess it _should_ work. you can try asking in #ubuntu-mythtv

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blackest:

depends entirely on what the graphics card driver supports good luck

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** quicksilver reverts myth database to backup version and downgrades to 0.20.2 for now **

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quicksilver:

frustrating

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Dagmar:

Changing the video output after you've installed is largely automatic, and even if it's not automatic if you have an nVidia card it's pretty easy.

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russK:

Can you put a hostname for backend in backend setup instead of IP address?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, _provided_ that the hostname actually _resolves_ to an IP

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Dagmar:

I'm not 100% sure this hasn't been worked around but... just be sure when you're telling the backend where the database server is that you say "localhost" instead of 127.0.0.1

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Dagmar:

It makes a difference in the way the sql libraries work

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russK:

ok, thanks Dagmar

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Dagmar:

For "localhost" it'll connect over a UNIX socket.

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Dagmar:

For 127.0.0.1 it actually uses a TCP socket, which requires networking to be enabled for the mysqld and for security reasons it's generally _disabled_ by defaulf

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Dagmar:

The UNIX socket connection doesn't require any kind of networking at all

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Dagmar:

So, less listening ports, basically.

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russK:

i'm using tcp/ip for a separate frontend?

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Dagmar:

The frontend setup you'll want to be telling it the IP or hostname of the backend and database of course then

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Dagmar:

...which would require networking to be enabled in your mysqld config

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Dagmar:

i.e, check your /etc/my.cnf and make sure the skip-networking token is not present

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Dagmar:

Lemme get a URL for you

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Dagmar:

This... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview will help you a great deal

[21:33:46]

Dagmar:

Eventually I *will* get around to giving it a final polish and linking it from other places in the wiki, but I keep getting time constrained with other stuff

[21:34:01]

Dagmar:

It'll explain what the various pieces do and so forth

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stowaway-atwork:

yo yo

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stowaway-atwork:

finally got my tuner working

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Dagmar:

russK: Hehe I can see two things on that page right now I need to change pertaining to disk space

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Dagmar:

I wrote that before 500Gb drives flooded the market

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sshirley:

i'm setting up my pvr-500. it has 2 inputs. should i set up 2 capture cards? /dev/video0 and /dev/video1?

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Dagmar:

stowaway-atwork: What type?

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sshirley:

if i set up 2, it gives me tuner1 as the default input

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Dagmar:

Oh yes actually

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Dagmar:

As far as almost everything is concerned, you have two PVR-150's

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Dagmar:

So you'll have one as /dev/video0 and the other as /dev/video1

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Dagmar:

That threw me at first a bit, too

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Dagmar:

...cuz when you're looking at the list of inputs the driver advertises, it likes to talk about two tuners on each one. You just ignore the second one

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sshirley:

ok, so i'll set up 2 devices...video0 and video1. but the default input is tuner 1, s-video1, composite1, s-video2, comp[osite2

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Dagmar:

Not sure if it did that to me last week again or not. I barely see what's on the screen I've been in and out of the setup menus so many times

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sshirley:

should it be tuner1

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

The first one that says "tuner" in each list is the one you want

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Dagmar:

It's what you assign the channel input source to

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sshirley:

and for video source, i can name it wahetever?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, you can...

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sshirley:

video source name (next section)

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Dagmar:

...but mainly the simple thing to do there is name the channel source after your cable company

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Dagmar:

i.e., when you tell it about schedulesdirect

[21:41:06]

Dagmar:

Don't be afraid to go back and forth between the menus until it looks kosher to you

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Dagmar:

If you're getting schedules from SchedulesDirect or a grabber, you mainly don't even have to worry about the "scan for channels" bit in the fifth menu

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stowaway-atwork:

i have a dvico hdtv pro (not recommended.. There is no automagicially install here)

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Dagmar:

It can get the list of channels from the information in your SchdulesDirect account

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Dagmar:

stowaway-atwork: Were you initially having it fail to detect channels?

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Dagmar:

People seem to be having quite a lot of that

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Dagmar:

If you did, please try to find somewhere on wiki.mythtv.org that looks appropriate and add a hint or two

[21:44:01]

Dagmar:

Folks seem to get stuck during installs for two reasons

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Dagmar:

1. THey didn't read a single bit of the directions. Instant fail.

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** jamesd wonders when will i stop thinking to my self "damm what an awesome picture on this digital tuner" at least once an hour... **

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Dagmar:

2. Their DVB or ATSC tuner steadfastly refuses to see anything

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Dagmar:

The first, we can't do anything about, but the second one... more documentation would help a lot of people.

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: more and more useful

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tjcarter:

I kinda have thoughts on that

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tjcarter:

Unfortunately I've been reminded how vendors keep switching out bits of hardware without telling anyone ;)

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nexes:

Does anyone have any ideas about why my HDTV tuner card might be randomly skipping? =\

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nexes:

TV is completely unwatchable, but obviously something is getting through.

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cesman:

weak signal

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jedix:

define skipping

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nexes:

It's extremely jerky, cuts out for two seconds, you hear a word, someone's head moves, out again.

[22:00:13]

nexes:

Never goes black.

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nexes:

And it's not the playback of it, because the recordings on my disk show it as well.

[22:00:34]

nexes:

So that's how it seems to be picking it up.

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nexes:

It was working fine before, and it's connected to a cable jack.

[22:01:32]

nexes:

It's a PCHDTV-5500 if that helps at all. =\

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sshirley:

i'm booting for the first time. but my machine doesn't want to seem to want to go higher than 800x600. i'm using s-video out. to what should i set it to? monitor or lcd? it's a normal tube tv

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directhex:

sshirley, why do you expect >800x600 on s-video?

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cesman:

sshirley: svideo isn't going to take you higher than 800x600

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strike:

800x600 is probably higher than your tv can support already

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** jamesd is amazed that he got 800x600 on svideo **

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sshirley:

i thout it could go 1024x768

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directhex:

sshirley, fat chance

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strike:

pal is less than 640x480

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cesman:

actually depending on the encoder, you maybe able to get 1024x768

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directhex:

sshirley, your tv won't go that high, and s-video wouldn't carry it properly

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directhex:

strike, 720x576

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sshirley:

video card should go up to that and i imagine the encoder too (pvr-500)

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strike:

no prob

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sshirley:

thats more than standard ntsc tho

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strike:

remember that is 2 frames

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tjcarter:

jamesd: 800x600 is scaled.

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tjcarter:

jamesd: NTSC and PAL are both smaller pictures than that

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jamesd:

ntsc is 525 lines... don't recall pal off hand...

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strike:

i used to run 1024 x 768 on my tvout but you couldnt read text or anything unless you upped the text size

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tjcarter:

jamesd: 768x576

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strike:

576 but you can only see about 480

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tjcarter:

so 800x600 might NOT be scaled I guess

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AndyCap:

625 lines. and you can see about 576

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strike:

are you talking about broadcast pal?

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strike:

i cant find 625

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tjcarter:

Well, NTSC also can show more than 486 lines

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tjcarter:

You just can't see them

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quicksilver:

"The term "PAL" is often used informally to refer to a 625-line/50 Hz (576i, principally European) television system, and to differentiate from a 525-line/60 Hz (480i, principally North American/Central American/Japanese) "NTSC" system"

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tjcarter:

and typically, as few as 480 show

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tjcarter:

Never Twice the Same Color

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tjcarter:

ATSC Always The Same Color? ;)

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** tjcarter notes whoever named ATSC should be shot. **

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AndyCap:

almost? :)

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tjcarter:

Should be always, digital signal and all

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tjcarter:

But the fact that NTSC and ATSC have NOTHING to do with eachother is irritating

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_sajko:

So anyone know a good way to autopopulate my MythVideo database? because it's quite annoying to have to run the video manager each time i put in a new video file in my directory.

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plb:

justinh is neon-wide your theme?

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tjcarter:

plb: it's one of his

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plb:

ah neat..was wondering if he was going to do a matching osd

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plb:

it's pretty nice

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** tjcarter is presently using glass **

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iamlindoro:

justinh hasn't touched it in a very very long time, I wouldn't hold your breath for an OSD... more likely neon will disappear altogether

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tjcarter:

glass plus chosen background

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_sajko:

so noone knows a good way of doing this? i found some posts on google saying that it was on the way... but they were posted 19 jan 2005 so i'm guessing its either already here or not available :/

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iamlindoro:

since he's mentioned that he intends to let a few themes die

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tjcarter:

so purrrrple

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iamlindoro:

_sajko: Not currently possible (outisde of browsing mythvideo in file structure mode

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strike:

A 625-line analogue (e.g., 50Hz PAL) television picture is divided into 576 visible lines from top to bottom Since it is unlikely the stripes will line up perfectly with the lines on the camera's sensor, the number is slightly less than 576

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strike:

the number can be determined to be 0.7×576 = 403.2 lines of resolution

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tjcarter:

iamlindoro: as long as Blootube2-wide does not require 16GiB of RAM and a quad core processor.

[22:21:41]

iamlindoro:

far more likely that mythui themes will be less of a memory hog

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tjcarter:

mythui ftw

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_sajko:

iamlindoro: mk, i'll check around some more and see if i can find something... i did find some app built for this purpose, don't know if it works thou

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tjcarter:

blootube-wide is pretty, but it's a big smelly RAM-eating (and CPU-eating) monster..

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tjcarter:

but mostly RAM ;)

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iamlindoro:

_sajko: What app are you referring to?

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_sajko:

iamlindoro: something posted on several forums, 2 secs and i'll fish up the link again

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_sajko:

iamlindoro:

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_sajko:

bah

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_sajko:

...

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_sajko:

stupid paste...

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_sajko:

iamlindoro: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/104294

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strike:

does anyone have mythtv running without a 3d card?

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iamlindoro:

Wouldn't count on it to run against a modern version, but anything's possible

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_sajko:

iamlindoro: yeah thats why im looking at alternative solutions for it... because i doubt it'll run :P

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bagpuss_thecat:

strike: I have it running on a Radeon 9100 IGP, with no acceleration on the s-video output

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strike:

i have a laptop running fine integrated graphics but having trouble setting up my hp 2.66 compiz running fine but the picture and recordings are rubbish

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strike:

i have some effects enabled

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strike:

i think its intel 865 graphics

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strike:

every second or so there is a glitch in the sound and graphics

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strike:

same firmware as the laptop and it runs smooth on that

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justinh:

iamlindoro: you reckon I've not touched glass-wide for a very long time? check the site. oh and it's always had an osd theme

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iamlindoro:

justinh: He asked about neon

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justinh:

ah. neon is dead baby

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iamlindoro:

hmph!

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justinh:

it'll be made to work with 0.21, then no more updates

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justinh:

for my decision to deprecate themes I went by my webpage stats and decided to stop updating 4:3 themes anyway since I don't use them

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** bagpuss_thecat really needs to get a widescreen TV **

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justinh:

and as I've said before, anybody is welcome to take them on

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bagpuss_thecat:

wedding list :-)

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** Daviey sets up a recursive wget to hammer unpopular themes **

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justinh:

Dagmar: unique page views, not tarball downloads. so unless you have a farm of different ip addresses...

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Daviey:

justinh: "Digg, goat pron -> http://$justinsh_web_page"

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justinh:

Daviey: anyway, too late. my mind's been made up

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Daviey:

:(

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justinh:

and in all probability even more might go when more mythui conversion has been done

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Dagmar:

Why it just so happens...

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Dagmar:

Kinda funny that of all the people for nick complete to malfunction on.... :)

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Dagmar:

i gots me a little perl library for handling that

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Dagmar:

I've yet to find a legitimate reason to use it tho, so... not sure if it works. Pretty sure, but never tested yet.

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justinh:

as is the main menu

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Dagmar:

heh

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adamsweet:

Hi, I'm looking for Justin Hornsby, aka Juski, who was interviewed on LugRadio in 2007, is he here?

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justinh:

here

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adamsweet:

hey justinh, sorry to trouble you

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adamsweet:

I am a presenter on LugRadio since last summer and we're relicensing the show and need to ask previous guests about relicensing their contribution

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justinh:

oh shit – forgot to get back to you about the re-licencing thing. it's fine, as squeamish as I feel about it :)

[23:14:28]

adamsweet:

can I ask you to pm me an email address?

[23:14:39]

adamsweet:

ahh, one of my mails hit the target, cool :)

[23:14:40]

justinh:

sure

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adamsweet:

you are hard to find my friend :)

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adamsweet:

squeamish?

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justinh:

adamsweet: I find it hard to watch/listen to that interview

[23:15:40]

adamsweet:

ahh, now you know how I feel every 2 weeks :)

[23:15:50]

adamsweet:

you were given a hard time and you did well

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justinh:

rather anybody else than me :)

[23:16:36]

justinh:

do you need an email confirmation of my sayso or ..?

[23:16:46]

adamsweet:

cool, well thanks for agreeing, do you mind telling me the domain of the email address which I contacted you on that received, I sent you a few emails to different mail providers :)

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justinh:

mythtvthemes.co.uk – anything at that address

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adamsweet:

uhh, just a reply agreeing to the question is good, just a "yes I agree" is fine, so we have a record

[23:17:37]

adamsweet:

ahh yes, it took a bit of googling to find that

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adamsweet:

thats great, I'm sorry to stalk you :)

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adamsweet:

thanks for your time, take care now :)

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adamsweet:

bye

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justinh:

ttfn

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justinh:

email sent btw

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adamsweet:

thanks, bye

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jmusits:

ssh reba

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blackest:

justinh: do you know of anyone ever getting a dresmbox hooked upto myth ? your couple of posts were about all i could find on it

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justinh:

blackest: you got one?

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blackest:

got a Technomate 9100 which is pretty similar

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justinh:

myth can already record ip streams, so maybe just try pointing it at one

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justinh:

dunno what format they have to be or owt

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justinh:

also dunno if it'd be possible to use ip stream recording and an external channel change script

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justinh:

blackest: I hacked on the dbox2 recording code a very long time ago

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blackest:

well theres a webpage which allows you to stream with vlc click on a link and it gives an m3u file with an address a port no and a bunch of other parameters

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justinh:

can mythtv work with them? dunno the answer to that either

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blackest:

well there is a french thing which involves mythsetting www.frenchbox.ip/video.m3u

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blackest:

as a tuner

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justinh:

janneg: any idea how similar dreambox is to what the ip recorder classes in mythtv can use?

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justinh:

blackest: give that a go

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justinh:

le ordinateur de television, par le 'IP'

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justinh:

hoh hoh he hoh!

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blackest:

I did kinda, i put the video.m3u file in the /var/www/dir on my masterbackend

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blackest:

however it may need something more (besides that i think will get one channel only

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blackest:

the web interface into the box is quite impressive

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justinh:

yeah neutrino's is too

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blackest:

it'll send the video over the lan switch with the epg and setup recordings

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justinh:

and record to smb/nfs/cifs...

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blackest:

I think its recording mpeg.ts

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blackest:

i've added a hard drive to the box it mounts at /hdd

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blackest:

and records movies to /hdd/movies/

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blackest:

ftp and telnet are working too. so i guess its good to go stand alone but i'd prefer to run it via myth even if that is like stabbing myself with an icepick rather than take the easy option

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justinh:

there's even a vnc client for it AFAIK

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justinh:

though WHY...

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blackest:

vnc on the dreambox ? why without a desktop

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justinh:

vnc _client_ !

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archer:

hey anyone in here using arch for their myth system?

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blackest:

oh you mean it can open a window on the tv screen

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archer:

i put it on my dell and it seems like its really eating up the CPU ... compared to mythbuntu atleast

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justinh:

blackest: I mean it can talk to a vnc server running on your desktop & let you control it remotely

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Dagmar:

Some people really believe that it's a smart idea to decompress the video and THEN send it across the network.

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justinh:

archer: awww. I think I know what's wrong

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Dagmar:

I think those people need fewer bong hits, personally.

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archer:

also the fan kicks on full speed after a few seconds of watching live tv despite the fact that its not even warm

[23:39:29]

archer:

lol whats that justinh .. using arch? lol

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justinh:

archer: sounds like a good reason to change your irc nick to mythbuntuer

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Dagmar:

archer: rather the point is to keep the CPU from _getting_ warm if possible

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archer:

yeah i know but its not even close to warm and the fan is crankin full speed

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** justinh smacks archlinux for being as good as dreamlinux **

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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blackest:

doesnt that imply somekind of desktop on the dreambox ?

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Dagmar:

The time to kick on the fan is _not_ after the CPU has hit a dangerously high temperature.

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archer:

lol

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Dagmar:

...cuz it's too late to try to get the heat moving then.

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justinh:

blackest: no. it implies it lets you control _other_ desktops from your armchair with the remote, as painful as that is

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archer:

yeah know this Dagmar .. i'm just saying its running at a much faster rate and much sooner than mythdora/buntu

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blackest:

so the visual part of that is on your tv screen then

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justinh:

jesus you come in here slagging off archlinux like it's inferior to mythbuntu or something – why even continue using it?

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justinh:

blackest: myers

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archer:

lol i like arch alot more than mythbuntu.. just wanna figure out a way to control the fan speeds better

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blackest:

set the limits then archer

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archer:

after arch has been watching live tv for an hour its cooler inside than at idle speed

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moegreen:

iamlindoro, you online?

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Dagmar:

So feel free to dig around and find out what settings they're using to control the fans

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blackest:

i dont think myth will be deciding to tell your dell when to turn your fan on

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archer:

at idle my gpu temp was 54 .. after watching tv for a few hrs and the fan running like crazy it was down to 50

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justinh:

moegreen: he's been on

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justinh:

the super porcelain is on now!

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archer:

alright i was just wondering if there was any particular reason it was so high

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moegreen:

i need freaking help with my ir blaster, and i dont know where to start :)

[23:44:11]

justinh:

go troglodytes!

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Dagmar:

moegreen: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC

[23:44:46]

Dagmar:

You won't get very far until/unless you have an idea of _how_ it's supposed to work

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blackest:

ah bbc2

[23:44:52]

justinh:

we're so lame, it's a shame, it's why we play this stoopid game!

[23:45:03]

justinh:

yayyyyyy! :D

[23:45:20]

justinh:

shave the cheerleaders

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blackest:

who are giants and who are patriots

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archer:

Dagmar, how well do you understand myth?.. how hard would it be to export my database and save it to a transfer directory on my storage hdd then at boot have it pull that database back and reload it.. ie, i want to have the option to use 2 operating systems running myth on the same box... i want to be able to tweak arch when i have the time but have mythbuntu for while i'm not able to tweak

[23:45:56]

Dagmar:

Rival mercenary factions

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justinh:

anybody who is not a patriot is an anemonie

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Dagmar:

archer: Pretty damn easy actually

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moegreen:

i know how its supposed to work, and i have my homemade reciever working just fine on my 1 serial port, but the ir blaster i have is also serial

[23:46:20]

Dagmar:

archer: `man mysqldump`

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blackest:

giant anemonie?

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archer:

ok

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moegreen:

so greyfoxx and lindoro told me to get a usb/serial adapter, so idid :)

[23:46:35]

archer:

do u think that it'd be alright to do that?

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Dagmar:

archer: It's practically no trouble at all to dump the database as a bunch of SQL statements you can reload at will

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Daviey:

archer: as Dagmar said, easy – but i really wouldn't recommend it on a production box

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justinh:

anemonie / enemy. bush-ism

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blackest:

maybe, moegreen

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archer:

i'm trying to migrate to using arch linux on everything but I dont have the time currently to mess with it that much so i'd like to go this route for now

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Daviey:

moegreen: just a note, a lirc reciever will not work with usb->serial converter.. don't know about irblaster

[23:48:04]

archer:

either either that or have arch use the 50g partition i have :-\

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blackest:

let me tell you of my experience with ir blasting, i got a reciever and taught it all my codes for my sat box if i pressed the 1 key it said i pressed the 1 key brilliant eh ...

[23:48:23]

moegreen:

no, my serial reciever is working just fine.

[23:48:28]

moegreen:

the ir blaster will be on the adapter

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blackest:

so now it knows what codes my satbox is expecting and how to send them right?

[23:49:21]

Daviey:

archer: Out of interest, what can arch do that mythbuntu can't?

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blackest:

in fact I got both working at the same time i was blasting and pointing it at my reciever

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archer:

well for a dedicated myth center theres no real purpose in switching

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blackest:

i told myth to blast a 1 it sent a 1 and its reciever saw a 1

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blackest:

so i move the blaster to the satbox and send signals to it

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Daviey:

archer: you said you prefer arch – why?

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blackest:

nothing not a sausage f all

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archer:

but i'd like to also have full desktop functionality.. and this past week somehow my mythbuntu installation was corrupt.. i think it did a hot shutdown, alot of storms and i heard we lost power but i was gone for the week

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blackest:

thats when i gave up

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archer:

I just know arch better and really like the daemons

[23:51:17]

Daviey:

ok

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blackest:

i think someboxes are better than others for ir blasting, mine wasnt

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archer:

i wrote daemons to mount my external hdd and return to the splash screen its status and what not.. have it also bind the filesystem location where myth is set to record to and the location on my external hdd where i want the recordings to be saved

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archer:

that way if my external fails to mount i can still watch live tv

[23:52:39]

archer:

it will just default to record to my internal hdd rather than my 500g ext esata

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archer:

and the splash screen lets me see whats happening and tells me if errors arise

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justinh:

blackest: also the chances of finding anything in English about the box with mythtv are slim to none

[23:53:50]

archer:

i'm sure i could make mythbuntu do that as well but i just know arch

[23:55:03]

justinh:

anything _coherent_ anyway since dreambox users tend to be service theives ;)

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justinh:

they hang out on forums you need to be recommended by people to be able to join

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blackest:

yes theres some german a bit of danish ...

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blackest:

well i have access on most general satellite forums

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justinh:

blackest: it might turn out to be simple, but prolly needs a core dev to have access to a box

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justinh:

if it won't just work out of the box somehow

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blackest:

well it seems to want a starting channel when you set it as a tuner

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blackest:

the french thing is kinda simpler it just points mythtv to a single stream

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blackest:

however whats really needed is a way to tell it to switch channels from mythtv

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blackest:

i guess i will figure it out slowly

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