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Wednesday, January 30th, 2008, 00:02 UTC

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solexious:

Hello all, I know myth does scedualed recordings, but can it do reminders? i.e. popup "Spooks starting on bbc1"?

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fryfrog:

If you are using the tuner it needs, myth will sort of do that

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solexious:

How do you mean?

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fryfrog:

but no, myth isn't intended to do that at all

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Miranda:

Can someone explain to me why my SVideo output from my GF 6800Ultra card color is all washed out?

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solexious:

Humm, may have to try to make a plugin then

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fryfrog:

solexious: well, if you are set to record a show and you are currently *watching* another show... (and you only have 1 tuner) myth will say "hey, this recording needs to happen now... if you don't do anything, we'll record... if you press this button or something we'll cancel the recording and go about doing what you think is best"

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fryfrog:

solexious: why don't you use some online service designed specifically to do what you want?

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fryfrog:

i'm sure there is a program guide on the internet that could send you an SMS/email or something.

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solexious:

I cueently use homechoice in the uk and it has this feature, i find it invaluable, just hoped myth had it too

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solexious:

currently*

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xris:

hmm, one of my firewire boxes just went wonky

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xris:

that's no good

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fryfrog:

not said sarcastically, could you explain the point of a popup reminder that something is recording?

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fryfrog:

if you are a) watching a show, and the system has enough "tuners" to watch the show and record... wouldn't you just finish the show you are on and watch the new show later?

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fryfrog:

b) if you aren't watching a show, you probably aren't just staring at your TV (which is just in the MythTV GUI), so you'd miss the popup?

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jereme:

is there a download for mythtv's os x port that goes faster than 5k/sec?

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solexious:

Well with homechoice you cant record, that is the reson it has reminders... I see your point fryfrog!

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fryfrog:

solexious: OH! for some reason i thought homechoice was some recorder :)

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solexious:

well, you get selected shows recorded, but its on a central server some where, and due to permissions they cant record every thing

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fryfrog:

ah, gotcha

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cal_:

anyone here that uses knoppmyth?

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fryfrog:

yeah, imho that "feature" sounds pretty useless for a MythTV system... but that said, someone, somewhere would probably use it :)

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Miranda:

cal_, I tried, my nvidia's TVout wouldnt work so I canned it

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cal_:

Miranda : ahh...heh.. i am just trying to get firefox installed on it and it cant find iceweasel when using apt-get for some reason

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solexious:

Even if it can record with out changing channels or interupting me, does it say its recording x on channel y . Just thinking of times when im watching rubish cos I've forgotten that the program i linke is on, and if i know its recording then i would atch it then and there

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solexious:

i like is on*

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fryfrog:

solexious: it will only pop up a dialog if it has to steal your "tuner" to record.

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fryfrog:

so if you have 1 tuner, you'll always see the message *if* you are watching live tv

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Miranda:

Can someone explain to me why my SVideo output from my GF 6800Ultra card color is all washed out?

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fryfrog:

but if you have 2 tuners... maybe you won't see it because it has a spare... and if you are watching a recording, than it doesn't conflict, so no msg.

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fryfrog:

also, after a few weeks you'll not be likely to watch "live tv" anymore

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fryfrog:

most people use "live tv" for testing, after they've had their myth system up for a little while.

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solexious:

hummm, I'm getting a dual channel card... will see if i can get it to msg me, for those instances *seems as there is rubish on most of the time nowadays*

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fryfrog:

solexious: but you won't be *recording* rubbish, eh?

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plb_:

wow MythXFace is nice theme

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plb_:

pity no OSD yet

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solexious:

fry: no but i will still be watching the rubish rather than being poked that good stuff is on... its a rare thing but if i can find a symple way to do it...

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solexious:

will put it on the back burner

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fryfrog:

solexious: ah, instead of making a plugin... just do something else for 2 weeks. by then you'll have so much recorded, you won't *need* to watch rubbish :)

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solexious:

hehe :_

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solexious:

:)*

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iamlindoro_:

It would be trivial to set that up with mythtvosd

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solexious:

?

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iamlindoro_:

Either write a script or small program that polls the database (or even parses the backend log) and sends a notification to mythtvosd when a recording begins

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zabadapp:

is it possible to fetch movieposters directly from within mythvideo-browser, without going to video-setup?

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iamlindoro_:

zabadapp: no

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jereme:

can mythtv read my mind?

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jduggan:

only if youve installed the plugin

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jereme:

what if I don't want to shave out a 1x1" patch of my hair to install the plugin?

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jereme:

I'd love to check out mythtv, but I've been downloading the backend for 3 days now

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jereme:

this guy needs a mirror site

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jereme:

(OS X)

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iamlindoro_:

Could have downloaded the source, read the wiki page, and compiled it two days and twenty-two hours ago

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jereme:

touche

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iamlindoro_:

That said, hope you have a firewire capture device or a HDHomeRun, as I believe those will be the only capture devices you can ue under OS X

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iamlindoro_:

er use

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jereme:

well I'll probably grab the comcast HD upgrade, as it can reportedly interact with that box via firewire

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iamlindoro_:

Some places, yeah

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jereme:

I wonder if that includes channel changing

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iamlindoro_:

It does

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jereme:

sweet mary

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iamlindoro_:

My primary capture device is a DCH-3200 from comcast... be warned that very few places get more than local channels via firewire, everything else is encrypted

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iamlindoro_:

That said I don't discourage you, it's absolutely the way to go if you can get it

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jereme:

do you get beyond local channels in your area?

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iamlindoro_:

Yup, I get nearly everything, but that is true in probably (anecdotally) 5% of cases

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jereme:

not in Portland by chance, are ya?

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iamlindoro_:

I note you are in washington, I believe we have at least one seattle-area guy who gets everything via firewire, so I hope you do too

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jereme:

oregon actually, but close

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iamlindoro_:

ah, guess my info was wrong :)

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jereme:

I can get to washington in 5 minutes :)

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jereme:

maybe I'll watch tv there

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iamlindoro_:

I'm a realist, and very very few people get everything via firewire, but having lucked out myself, I think it's worth the effort to at least try

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iamlindoro_:

I was expecting locals at best, I ended up with pretty much everything I needed. And, failing that, we will have the new Hauppauge Component HD capture device in a few short months and all bets will be off

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jereme:

does hdhomerun have an IR dongle?

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jereme:

I'd just get the eyetv fusion, but there's no IR dongle

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iamlindoro_:

Well, sort of... it *is* an IR dongle (receiver)

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iamlindoro_:

but no blaster

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jereme:

yeah I guess that's what I mean

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jereme:

if it can't change the channels, I have an old vcr that'd work just as well

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iamlindoro_:

And the eyetv won't work with myth

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jereme:

yeah, I'd be using eyetv 2 if I went that route

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jereme:

but the firewire route is much more enticing

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jereme:

I've a buddy who has the HD box, so if I get it all setup, I can go test it for free

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iamlindoro_:

As a mac user (Only my myth boxes are linux PCs, I can tell you that eyetv is blown away by myth

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jereme:

I was just using eztv + frontrow, but comcast caught on to that

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jereme:

they sent me a little email about it

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fryfrog:

jereme: how does that work? and how did they *know*?

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jereme:

it started with "Hello" and went downhill from there

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

eztv is torrents

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jereme:

exactly

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fryfrog:

i thought it was some sort of tuner card :/

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iamlindoro_:

Me too

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jereme:

basically using RSS

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iamlindoro_:

Was it a "you're using too much bandwidth" e-mail or a "We'll notify rights-holders" e-mail?

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jereme:

ha

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fryfrog:

yeah, good question, which was it?

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fryfrog:

plus comcast absolutly *cripples* bittorrent now

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jereme:

it was... "You downloaded The Wire at 10:38pm from IP blah blah blah... This is not allowed... blah blah blah"

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iamlindoro_:

Sounds like a violation of wiretapping laws to me

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jereme:

yeah, not really a battle I'm willing to fight as I was downloading protected content

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jereme:

they claim it was reported to them

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iamlindoro_:

hmmm

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jereme:

so I may have stuck my hand in a honey pot

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jereme:

and grabbed a tracked torrent

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iamlindoro_:

I do *not* advocate piracy, but...

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iamlindoro_:

Peerguardian.

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solexious:

lol, read my mind iam

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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iamlindoro_:

peerguardian and software that allows you to run in encrypted-only mode

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solexious:

if for nothing more than the random people who try to connect to you

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solexious:

got the norwegen energy goverment committy try to connect to me the other day

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solexious:

god knows why

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jereme:

well... well... thanks for the suggestion. I'll check it out

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solexious:

brb

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jereme:

front row has its benefits... but Myth looks pretty sweet

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KiSak:

I'm having trouble with a userjob

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KiSak:

it fails to run from mythbackend

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KiSak:

runs fine manually

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clever:

Syntax error on line 102 of /etc/apache2/conf.d/mythweb.conf.apache:

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clever:

Invalid command 'php_value', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration ...fail!

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CCFL_Man2:

guys, american idol plis!!!!$

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xris:

clever: read the instructions

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clever:

i just remembered

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xris:

and install php

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clever:

i dont even have mythweb on this box

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clever:

and php is installed!

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clever:

i tried switching from php4 to php5

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clever:

and the dpkg riped cacti out without warning

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clever:

so i put cacti back

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clever:

now its bitching about mythweb

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clever:

which i didnt even use on that box

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clever:

and cacti is dead

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KiSak:

"/usr/bin/removecommercials %DIR% %FILENAME% %CHANID% %STARTTIME%" are the same options available in 0.21?

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jduggan:

god damn, myth auto expired a show i was watching yesterday and fell asleep watching :\

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jduggan:

nod + increase auto expire days

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jduggan:

!@#%$

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stowaway-atwork:

im reading the install notes.. when it says "Flag commericals" does that mean it can distiguish between show and commerical and cut it out?

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stowaway-atwork:

how accurate is it

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KiSak:

95% for me

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stowaway-atwork:

shit thats cool

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fryfrog:

stowaway-atwork: it can also depend a lot on the show.

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fryfrog:

for me L&O trips it up (lots of quick fade to blacks, changes in scenery)

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stowaway-atwork:

yeah i see how that would

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stowaway-atwork:

i dont suppose anyone here uses a FusionHDTV DVB-T Pro

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fryfrog:

so i just set mine up to give a notice when a commercial is 1 sec away. the osd pops up and if i know it is legit, i hit Z (well, a button on my remote) to ff.

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fryfrog:

if i can tell it is false, i don't :)

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fryfrog:

I recognize the name, did you look up the list of supported cards in the wiki? (does that list exist?)

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fryfrog:

I use a pair of cards that use the air2pc drive, but I forget their name/model :/

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stowaway-atwork:

yeah its on there.

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fryfrog:

then you should be fine :)

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stowaway-atwork:

quote "you have a FusionHDTV DVB-T Pro or Dual Express, please try cloning and building the tree at http://linuxtv.org/hg/~pascoe/xc-test/, and see if you can tune Digital TV successfully. Put this tuner firmware file in your /lib/firmware directory before trying to tune. "

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fryfrog:

oh

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stowaway-atwork:

not sure what that means

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fryfrog:

is it new?

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stowaway-atwork:

kinda new. maybe a year old

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fryfrog:

sorr, not sure what that means :/

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fryfrog:

mine just use the driver from the kernel, id' think that implies you *might* need to use an external driver?

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stowaway-atwork:

hmm.. oh well. everything cant be easy.. otherwise id never learn

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fryfrog:

hehe

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stowaway-atwork:

its still in the section that cards that work tho.

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roothorick:

wow.... did that blow up or what

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roothorick:

oh, here it tries again

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stowaway-atwork:

do u think this proggie can be set up in such a way that i can perfect it, and give it to a computer illerate person? so all they need to do is a few buttons to add movies and so on.. they can use it like a vcr?

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roothorick:

as long as you can step in periodically to do maintenance stuff

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fryfrog:

stowaway-atwork: in that situation, i'd honestly consider a TiVo or DVR from the cable co :/

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fryfrog:

mostly, myth chugs away... but when something stupid goes wrong, it'll just frustrate the "user"

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stowaway-atwork:

haha

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stowaway-atwork:

espessially someone who can barely use windows

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fryfrog:

yar :/

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stowaway-atwork:

my sister is bugging me to make her a media centre (til now ive used mediaportal) but i dont want to have to fly to sydney to fix it

[02:02:34]

GreyFoxx:

ssh/vnc/x forwarding should b all you need :)

[02:02:44]

roothorick:

GreyFoxx: you stole the words from my mouth, haha

[02:02:49]

GreyFoxx:

baring hardware failure

[02:03:04]

fryfrog:

yeah, ssh/vnc and x forwarding should let you do remote support just fine, *if* you don't mind doing it.

[02:03:21]

squidly:

quick qeustion. does a dual-p2 450 have enough power to run as a backend/nfs server only? I wont have any X on there.

[02:03:25]

GreyFoxx:

I do it for several relatives, but rarely need to do anything

[02:03:38]

roothorick:

squidly: you need X for mythtv-setup

[02:03:40]

stowaway-atwork:

no its more liek *if* i work out linux fine.. im only a 2 day old linux user

[02:03:49]

squidly:

roothorick: xforwarding works wonders ;)

[02:03:51]

fryfrog:

squidly: as long as you aren't doing frame grabber, and you can install but not *run* X

[02:03:57]

roothorick:

squidly: true

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fryfrog:

squidly: it might be close though, unless you are talking SD only? if the nfs is sharing the video, maybe you'd not see very high network throughput... but SD doesn't take much.

[02:04:42]

squidly:

fryfrog: its will be doing all the backend stuff. Comflag, recoarding from the cable, I have a hauppage-150 decoder

[02:04:59]

squidly:

fryfrog: SD as in normal non-Highdef?

[02:05:06]

fryfrog:

commflagging might be slow, but if you nice it well... i'd bet it does okay.

[02:05:09]

fryfrog:

yeah

[02:05:15]

fryfrog:

and a pvr150 is SD :)

[02:05:32]

GreyFoxx:

a 450 should be plenty as a fileserver regardless of the content. And if you are using a pvr card it's fine as a backend

[02:05:57]

squidly:

ok that is what I thought. it will also be doing my transcodeing as I pull in dvd's as well. but that will be set to transcode over a while

[02:06:23]

fryfrog:

*that* will be slow :)

[02:06:38]

fryfrog:

but at least it is dual cpu and maybe won't impact a lot.

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squidly:

fryfrog: thus why I would want it to run in the background/overnight

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squidly:

the rip will be done on my desktop to a nfs share and from there it will be going to the MTD on the backend for transcodeing. that I dont really care if it takes forever

[02:07:27]

directhex:

several nights, at decent quality

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squidly:

directhex: lol.. well the box will just be sitting there so why not

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directhex:

i wonder how fast dvd ripping is on one of the machines at work

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squidly:

everyone thanks

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CCFL_Man2:

a c band feed horn with a servo, what kind of controller can i use with it?

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KiSak:

for user jobs, is it %FILENAME% or %FILE%

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tgm4883_laptop:

iamlindoro, that script you gave me works great. I still can't change the channel from within mythtv, but I can not flawlessly do it from the command line. So at least thats a step in the right direction

[02:53:08]

KiSak:

hey xris, you still around?

[02:53:18]

xris:

yup

[02:53:41]

KiSak:

could you tell me a little about how mythweb uses ffmpeg

[02:53:56]

KiSak:

does it cache the recording?

[02:54:02]

xris:

not much to say. it calls ffmpeg on the command line and feeds the file to the browser

[02:54:02]

xris:

no

[02:54:09]

xris:

that's why it's a "proof of concept"

[02:54:09]

KiSak:

ok

[02:54:22]

xris:

afk

[02:54:38]

KiSak:

does it work ahead, or does it work only as hard as there is bandwidth to send to the browser?

[03:00:53]

GreyFoxx:

It's a set bitrate and has no concept of how much BW is between your browser and the backend

[03:01:40]

KiSak:

will it fill to ram what is waiting to be sent to the browser?

[03:02:07]

GreyFoxx:

no

[03:02:31]

GreyFoxx:

It's a "live" stream sort of thing

[03:02:38]

GreyFoxx:

no jumping ahead

[03:02:42]

GreyFoxx:

not large queue

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GreyFoxx:

cept for what your browser queues/caches

[03:02:55]

KiSak:

so if there is insufficient bandwith, will it fail?

[03:03:02]

GreyFoxx:

it will be choppy

[03:03:26]

GreyFoxx:

I think the bitrate is pretty small

[03:03:34]

KiSak:

ok, just how bad would 40 KBps be?

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iamlindoro_:

real real bad

[03:04:01]

KiSak:

:/

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GreyFoxx:

I'd have to go lok in the source :)

[03:04:41]

iamlindoro_:

no joke, I believe it transcodes to 512 Kb, 40KB would be bad news

[03:05:02]

GreyFoxx:

64kilobit audio, 256kilobit video

[03:05:16]

GreyFoxx:

so 40KB on the nose

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GreyFoxx:

it would stutter

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GreyFoxx:

you'd have to edit the script that launches ffmpeg to use a lower bitrate

[03:05:51]

KiSak:

the things I get to deal with

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KiSak:

where's the script?

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GreyFoxx:

modules/stream/handler.pl in the mythweb source

[03:06:05]

KiSak:

ok

[03:06:07]

hadees:

does anyone else have a channel called CreateTV? Its a PBS channel and schedulesdirect doesn't have it

[03:07:36]

KiSak:

I really wish this house would be switched over to the 2Mb up that runs behind the house

[03:09:15]

GreyFoxx:

KiSak: heh

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KiSak:

"-ab 64k -b 256k" is what I'm looking at in there

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KiSak:

is that custom numbers or exponents of 2?

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Shmattie:

My mythtv box just expired a show when it should not have. Do anyone know how to debug and diag this issue? Anyone know where the expiration rules stored?

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tgm4883_laptop:

iamlindoro_, did you have to do anything else to that script you gave me to get it to work in mythtv?

[03:20:34]

iamlindoro_:

Nope, just put it in as the external channel change script on your tuner...

[03:20:46]

tgm4883_laptop:

yea I did that, no go though :(

[03:21:00]

tgm4883_laptop:

it works great from the command line, but not inside mythtv

[03:21:07]

iamlindoro_:

And you chmod'ed it +x?

[03:21:14]

iamlindoro_:

and put the absolute path in?

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: did you edver deal with large c band dishes ?

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tgm4883_laptop:

iamlindoro_, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 311 2008-01–29 18:10 channel_change_1.sh

[03:21:49]

roothorick:

weird. Mythwelcome can't connect to mythbackend but mythfrontend can

[03:22:00]

tgm4883_laptop:

I didn't put the absolute path in, but it's in /usr/bin/

[03:22:03]

tgm4883_laptop:

i'll try that though

[03:22:19]

iamlindoro_:

CCFL_Man2: yes, but not in a long time

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roothorick:

mythwelcome and mythfrontend run as the same user, but mythwelcome can't connect to mythbackend when mythfrontend can

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roothorick:

I have an all-in-one system going

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tgm4883_laptop:

iamlindoro, hmm, i put in the absolute path, but now it seems to not work correctly. It will only blast a single number

[03:27:18]

tgm4883_laptop:

but it will at least try to do it now inside mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

Script always worked fine for me. Like the comments say, tweak the interdigit delay

[03:27:27]

tgm4883_laptop:

i'll play with it abit

[03:27:29]

tgm4883_laptop:

thanks again

[03:27:31]

iamlindoro_:

np

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: with a single output feedhorn for one polarity, how do you chose the polarity you want?

[03:28:11]

CCFL_Man2:

the orientation of the feedhorn output?

[03:28:14]

iamlindoro_:

CCFL_Man2: That's beyond me, was someone else's job to set that stuff up

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: what work did you do?

[03:30:22]

iamlindoro_:

Handled everything downstream of the IRDs, setting up the dishes themselves was contract work

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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CCFL_Man2:

after the IRDs you mean?

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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CCFL_Man2:

i don't blame the person who made the decision to hire an installer and maintainer

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: because it is a royal pain

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iamlindoro_:

I can imagine.

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CCFL_Man2:

it's why most people don't have big dishes

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CCFL_Man2:

but, in the end, it's cool shit

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CCFL_Man2:

all for DW-TV and Deutsche Welle Radio

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SerajewelKS:

haha sweet

[03:45:27]

roothorick:

serious question time

[03:45:34]

SerajewelKS:

commercial detection fails horribly on this recording, i think because there's a severe thunderstorm watch overlayed on every frame

[03:45:37]

roothorick:

my mom has an analog TV with a built in program guide

[03:45:46]

SerajewelKS:

so there are no blank frames, and even then guessing that logo detection would see it

[03:45:51]

roothorick:

a) where does the data for that guide come from, and b) can I get Myth to tap into that?

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SerajewelKS:

roothorick: guessing EIT?

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CCFL_Man2:

roothorick: guide plus i think

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roothorick:

SerajewelKS: I thought that was digital only

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roothorick:

CCFL_Man2: okay, can Myth read guide plus?

[03:47:08]

SerajewelKS:

roothorick: ah, right, sorry

[03:47:17]

CCFL_Man2:

roothorick: it's a vcr plus type of thing

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CCFL_Man2:

you in the US?

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roothorick:

yes, in the US

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CCFL_Man2:

an rca?

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roothorick:

yeah, that tube is an RCA

[03:49:13]

roothorick:

is there any way I can get Myth to interpret and use that data, or does it require special hardware?

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GreyFoxx:

I'm unware of public code to read guide plus data

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CCFL_Man2:

roothorick: it's a closed system, data is sent over vbi

[03:52:18]

roothorick:

*sigh*

[03:52:19]

roothorick:

oh well

[03:52:35]

roothorick:

why am I having a hard time finding info about site scrapers on the wiki?

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roothorick:

I don't care what the community's opinion is, I won't pay for program guide data purely out of principle

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KiSak:

because site scrapers break too easily and have a heap of wasted bandwidth

[03:54:54]

roothorick:

so it's an ethical decision?

[03:55:28]

roothorick:

you'd rather people pay for data that should be freely available rather than try their luck with free alternatives

[03:55:42]

GreyFoxx:

roothorick: You can't find it because they are notoriously unreliable and most people consider their time work more than 0.05 a day so few people bother with any of the scrapers that came out when xzap2it was coming out., In fact several of the authors of those scrapers have switched to schedulesdirect

[03:55:53]

KiSak:

personally, I chose a $20 / year convience factor

[03:56:19]

fryfrog:

is SD down to $20/YR??

[03:56:20]

GreyFoxx:

roothorick: the act of gathering/coalating the data and improving it is not free

[03:56:23]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: yeah

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KiSak:

yes

[03:56:25]

fryfrog:

wow

[03:56:31]

GreyFoxx:

has been for a while

[03:56:35]

fryfrog:

i was okay with it when it was like $20 for / 2mo :)

[03:56:40]

fryfrog:

er, 3mo?

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fryfrog:

or something

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GreyFoxx:

might go down again at somepoint

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KiSak:

15$ / 3 month

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fryfrog:

i should probably check my account standing :)

[03:57:26]

KiSak:

and they took all those early subscribers and extended their accounts from 3 months to 9 months

[03:58:25]

GreyFoxx:

roothorick: most of the channels have little more than "House episode 117" and TMS gathers it all from all stations/8000 markets in North america. Find out and fills in the actor info, original air date, description etc and then porganizes it by every zipcode/postal code/cableco in that region

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GreyFoxx:

it's a large undertaking

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GreyFoxx:

requiring lots of people and lots of hardware

[03:59:02]

GreyFoxx:

but most stations will freely give you the info they have so you are free to contact them all every week or so

[03:59:13]

GreyFoxx:

the ones we contacted had smple excel spreadsheets :)

[03:59:21]

GreyFoxx:

with no description or detailed info :)

[03:59:23]

fryfrog:

or write (and maintain) a screen scraper

[03:59:29]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[03:59:31]

fryfrog:

$20/yr thought...

[03:59:47]

fryfrog:

that is 5 cents per *day*

[04:00:00]

fryfrog:

you have to be paid very little to justify not paying that :/

[04:00:20]

KiSak:

the electric bill is higher

[04:00:26]

iamlindoro:

Not to mention there are a few of us who refuse to do any troubleshooting for people who think guide data is the big moral issue they have to take a stand on.

[04:00:29]

roothorick:

*sigh* I'm in no mood for an argument. Where do cableco STBs get their schedule data/

[04:00:43]

GreyFoxx:

roothorick: They buy it from TMS/TVGuide

[04:00:56]

roothorick:

but what form is it in when on the line?

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fryfrog:

same place as SD, then they send it out over their own (surely propriatary) system.

[04:01:07]

GreyFoxx:

roothorick: how do you mean?

[04:01:41]

fryfrog:

you can get EIT data from OTA FTA HD stuff though, but it is only a week or two and it is *very* lacking in details.

[04:01:47]

GreyFoxx:

roothorick: the cablecos basically download csvfiles and or xml data and such

[04:02:00]

fryfrog:

i think he means cable co -> STB's guide

[04:02:01]

GreyFoxx:

they then inject that into their STB after the process it themselves

[04:02:47]

roothorick:

so the attitude is, if I don't have $20 to spare, I'm SOL?

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fryfrog:

no

[04:02:56]

fryfrog:

you can write a screen scraper

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GreyFoxx:

exactly

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KiSak:

I know that whatever my grandmother has is TMS data ... satelite tv something or another

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fryfrog:

if you value your time at approx 0.2 cents / hour

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GreyFoxx:

if you can't spare the $20 then it's up to you to do it

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GreyFoxx:

even if it's buy aTV guide / geet what comes in your news paper and manually input it

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roothorick:

aren't there some scrapers out there already? I'd like to have existing code

[04:03:48]

fryfrog:

roothorick: who *exactly* would maintain it?

[04:03:53]

KiSak:

they died off

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GreyFoxx:

It's kinda like, if I don't have the $20 to take the wife to a movie, I'm SOL when it comes to going to the theatre :)

[04:04:10]

fryfrog:

roothorick: nobody in their right mind would write one

[04:04:22]

fryfrog:

roothorick: *maybe* if it were $20/mo (actually, almost certainly)

[04:04:32]

fryfrog:

maybe if it were $20/3mo

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GreyFoxx:

roothorick: all of the ones I saw that originally came out have all abandoned them and gone to SD because it wasn't worth their time maintaining them and dealing with user support

[04:04:48]

GreyFoxx:

but that said there is likely some out there that work

[04:04:57]

fryfrog:

but for 20/yr, i have no idea how you'd find someone to take the time and keep a screen scraper working. It is a *LOT* of work.

[04:04:58]

roothorick:

you just don't know of any...

[04:05:09]

fryfrog:

roothorick: no, we knew of many

[04:05:19]

fryfrog:

there are even still some in countries that don't offer cheap and easy feeds

[04:05:31]

fryfrog:

i mean, just mull it over in your head

[04:05:48]

fryfrog:

can you even *grasp* how many hours it would take to maintain a working screen scraper?

[04:06:06]

fryfrog:

site X decides to change the layout by one column... maybe there is a few hours of work

[04:06:13]

fryfrog:

entire site redesign? hours and hours.

[04:06:16]

GreyFoxx:

there might be one in the xmltv suite of scrapers

[04:06:22]

GreyFoxx:

you'd have to go check though

[04:06:30]

GreyFoxx:

I don';t know if they list them on on their website or not

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fryfrog:

or!

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fryfrog:

use MCE?

[04:07:18]

fryfrog:

i think the listings data is free

[04:07:29]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[04:07:38]

fryfrog:

course, buying MCE is what, $200+?

[04:07:38]

GreyFoxx:

there was even a scraper that would suck the data out of mce

[04:07:51]

fryfrog:

or 10 years of SD :)

[04:08:18]

fryfrog:

i wish SD's abreviation wasn't the same as SDs :/

[04:08:54]

fryfrog:

roothorick: you should have started using myth like 2 or 3 years ago, we had free data back then :)

[04:09:46]

KiSak:

yeah, what was the hold up?

[04:10:07]

roothorick:

well, nevermind, I'm pretty sure I found what I'm looking for

[04:10:51]

fryfrog:

tell us about it?

[04:11:06]

fryfrog:

i don't mind hearing, and afaik there is nothing "illegitamite" about them

[04:11:12]

fryfrog:

after all, some places that is the only option

[04:12:24]

roothorick:

zap2xml, you may have heard of it

[04:12:38]

fryfrog:

is "zap" still around?

[04:13:00]

fryfrog:

zap2it was our old listings provider, dunno if it does web based or not still?

[04:13:01]

roothorick:

tvlistings.zap2it is still alive and kicking

[04:13:10]

fryfrog:

ah

[04:13:19]

roothorick:

http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCGrid.do

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roothorick:

wait a sec... when you said screen scraper, did you mean literally rendering the site and taking screenshots of it and interpreting it that way?

[04:13:57]

KiSak:

*gasp*

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fryfrog:

no no

[04:14:00]

fryfrog:

downloading the HTML

[04:14:09]

fryfrog:

parsing the tables/fields/etc

[04:14:25]

fryfrog:

dear god, screen shots and OCR

[04:14:37]

KiSak:

the html page is "printed" to a buffer, then the goodie bits are scrapped out

[04:14:38]

fryfrog:

i can't even imagine if that would be a nightmare or maybe more accurate / flexible :p

[04:14:57]

roothorick:

because what I had in mind is outright HTML parsing

[04:15:02]

fryfrog:

http://flickr.com/photos/ckdake/

[04:15:09]

fryfrog:

oops, copy/paste no work :(

[04:15:13]

roothorick:

it'd take an hour at the most to deal with a site redesign

[04:15:17]

fryfrog:

roothorick: yeah, that is what "scraping" does

[04:15:41]

fryfrog:

roothorick: depends, are you the one downloading a new scraper? or the one *fixing* it?

[04:16:39]

fryfrog:

so lets say a site does one redisgn a year and it takes you an hours. That means you saved $20/hr

[04:17:02]

fryfrog:

what if they do 2 or 3 (once every few months, a tweak to the website?) now you are down to $10/hr or less.

[04:17:24]

roothorick:

all hours I wouldn't be spending making money

[04:17:37]

roothorick:

or accomplishing more constructive things

[04:18:06]

fryfrog:

nice, maybe the screen scraping projects could use your help then!

[04:18:53]

roothorick:

besides, programming is fun

[04:20:19]

fryfrog:

sure

[04:20:41]

fryfrog:

i think i'd rather do something more useful, but to each his own :)

[04:24:11]

roothorick:

zap2xml seems to be working

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KiSak:

roothorick: best of luck to you keeping it that way

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roothorick:

yeesh, processing an xmltv file takes a while, doesn't it?

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fryfrog:

i think what he meant is when it breaks

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fryfrog:

you probably won't notice until your mythtv system stops recording stuff

[04:41:36]

fryfrog:

then you'll fix it

[04:41:54]

fryfrog:

happened to me a few times, and i was using zap2it :)

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squidly:

hmm.. ok why would mythweb suddenly stop showing my videos?

[04:46:25]

xris:

"stop showing" how?

[04:46:38]

squidly:

well the button stopped showing up in mythweb

[04:46:44]

roothorick:

is it really supposed to take ten minutes plus to mark episode first showings?

[04:46:44]

xris:

which button?

[04:46:44]

squidly:

I cant see what videos I have

[04:47:07]

xris:

oh, mythvideo stuff... mythweb would hide that if the db says the host isn't configured for video

[04:47:13]

squidly:

ahh ok

[04:47:45]

squidly:

xris: thanks

[04:48:12]

KiSak:

xris: is that per-mythweb user or per-backend?

[04:48:28]

xris:

KiSak: per frontend (mythweb is a frontend)

[04:48:41]

KiSak:

I fail.

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squidly:

any word on when 21 will be released?

[04:52:21]

xris:

couple of months

[04:52:23]

KiSak:

released or escaped?

[04:52:40]

squidly:

KiSak: is there a difference?

[04:52:47]

KiSak:

will it lead a bloody trail of devs?

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roothorick:

is it normal for an xmltv import to take over twenty minutes just for "marking episode first showings"?

[04:53:45]

iamlindoro_:

No. That should be in the single-digit seconds

[04:54:10]

KiSak:

http://gradha.sdf-eu.org/textos/klingon_programmer.en.html

[04:54:11]

squidly:

lol

[04:54:22]

roothorick:

iamlindoro_: this is first run, does it make a difference?

[04:54:35]

KiSak:

no

[04:54:37]

iamlindoro_:

Nope. What makes a difference is you are using an unsupported listings source.

[04:55:34]

roothorick:

...what the hell!?

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CCFL_Man2:

it would be cool if there was a 3rd party way to extract guide plus data

[04:58:33]

roothorick:

disk full, that would do it

[04:58:38]

CCFL_Man2:

from the vbi

[04:59:01]

roothorick:

well, there's always the official drivers for whatever that card was

[04:59:08]

CCFL_Man2:

but with analog tv going next year it's not a worthwhle project

[04:59:29]

roothorick:

aha

[04:59:31]

roothorick:

the TV Wonder series

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CCFL_Man2:

57 channels and nothing on

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clever:

CCFL_Man2: but with mythtv you can watch any past recording at any time in the future!

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roothorick:

oh what the hell... the scraper worked, unless it put in bogus time data

[05:18:35]

KiSak:

I'm wondering why the bt878 is twice as loud as the new pvr 150

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roothorick:

okay, what the hell

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xanderp:

ok, I bought a new video card for my system, GF8500GT... the video looks pretty nice now.

[05:19:30]

roothorick:

I just made an xmltv.xml with a screen scraper and imported it. The import went fine, no errors. I open MythTV and go to the program guide, everything still says nothing.

[05:20:14]

xanderp:

anyone here have problems with the pchdtv5500 freezing up while playing tv?

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roothorick:

could someone better explain the meaning of the second param "offset" to mythfilldatabase --file?

[05:27:51]

KiSak:

I could be wrong, but it sounds like a time offset

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CCFL_Man2:

d00d

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CCFL_Man2:

i love wikipedia

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CCFL_Man2:

now i know how local weather channel feeds were created

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opello:

magic and dreams?

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CCFL_Man2:

hah

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CCFL_Man2:

system called weatherstar

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opello:

huh that is pretty cool

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roothorick:

is there an easy way to assign all unassigned channels to a certain video source?

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roothorick:

interesting... zap2it has the channel lineup slightly wrong for my area

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roothorick:

oh well, I can use this anyway

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roothorick:

can I make MythTV transcode to a smaller format on the fly as it records?

[05:45:38]

Dagmar:

If you have a four jilliquad CPU

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iamlindoro:

I hear those take 1.21 Jigawatts of power

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roothorick:

I think a 1Ghz Tbird can handle encoding and decoding MPEG4 SD video on the fly

[05:47:22]

Dagmar:

I think I want some of what you are smoking.

[05:48:01]

roothorick:

my nicest machine is an Athlon XP 2200+ overclocked to 2.1Ghz

[05:48:07]

roothorick:

I don't exactly have much to work with

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Dagmar:

Here's the problem

[05:49:01]

Dagmar:

Transcoding is SLOW

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Dagmar:

...mainly because _encoding_ is slow

[05:49:30]

Dagmar:

You are not getting better than realtime on pretty much any really effective compression algorithm

[05:49:41]

Dagmar:

Not without MASSIVE cpu power

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roothorick:

well, I think I have a frame grabber...

[05:50:19]

roothorick:

MythTV works and I can watch TV, but a one hour recording is almost 5GB

[05:50:24]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[05:50:39]

Dagmar:

The solution to that is "buy a hardware accellerated tuner card"

[05:50:52]

Dagmar:

This is why you see us saying that _all over the everywhere_

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iamlindoro:

Your bitrate is WAY too high is an hour of SD is 5 GB

[05:51:01]

iamlindoro:

er if an

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iamlindoro:

like, MONUMENTALLY too high.

[05:51:37]

iamlindoro:

*especially* if that's MPEG-4

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tjcarter:

Yeah somewhere in the range of 1.6–2.0GiB is typical for MPEG-2

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roothorick:

iamlindoro: I think it's uncompressed video...

[05:52:01]

iamlindoro:

No, it's not.

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Dagmar:

Default settings for a pVR card resuly in a rather steady 2.2gb/hour actually

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roothorick:

oh, it's nuppelvideo

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Dagmar:

It's in NippleVideo format

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iamlindoro:

That's a container, not a format.

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: default on a PVR must be changed somewhat if it hasn't been

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roothorick:

iamlindoro: not according to mplayer

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: They work fine

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: some bug was fixed and reintroduced where video at 480x480 doesn't work right.

[05:53:06]

tjcarter:

have to use 720x480

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iamlindoro:

roothorick: Oh I'm *quite* sure I'm right. Nuppel is *not* a codec, it's the container. The video within is RTJpeg or mpeg-4.

[05:53:18]

tjcarter:

when I complained, was told it is a wontfix

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Dagmar:

I almost _never_ use 480x480 anyway, so no big deal

[05:53:51]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: that is (or was) the default for PVR cards

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roothorick:

argh. Myth is giving me a headache

[05:54:30]

roothorick:

why is this considered the best Linux HTPC software again?

[05:54:46]

Dagmar:

Sorry, I somewhat assume people aren't going to use a crappy sampling resolution to ruin a recording before it's even started

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tjcarter:

Because it beats the alternatives

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Dagmar:

roothorick: Becuse we don't use framegrabbers

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Dagmar:

Framegrabber cards suck

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Dagmar:

You were warned

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: it works great to change to 720x480 and leave the bitrate alone

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roothorick:

apparently my capture card is putting out 480x480...

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tjcarter:

steady 2.0GiB

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iamlindoro:

And we spend $20 on schedulesdirect instead of being cheap bastards

[05:55:23]

tjcarter:

more than adequate quality

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Dagmar:

What did I *jsut* say not two minutes ago

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tjcarter:

Now when Myth encodes to MPEG-4, does it use AVC or otherwise?

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Dagmar:

I have piles and piles of recordings using the default bitrate.... 2.2Gb/hour

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roothorick:

where exactly do I adjust bitrate?

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tjcarter:

H.263 and H.264 are very different ;)

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tjcarter:

H.264 is smaller at much higher quality and requires a hell of a lot more CPU to handle.

[05:57:23]

clever:

what about x264?

[05:57:39]

tjcarter:

clever: x264 is an implementation of H.264, better than most.

[05:57:44]

clever:

ah

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tjcarter:

Xvid and DivX and friends are all technically MPEG-4 (or at least derivatives of), but they aren't AVC (H.264) based.

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clever:

so many formats!

[06:02:40]

** clever 's head explodes! **

[06:03:03]

tjcarter:

exactly

[06:05:18]

tjcarter:

Okay

[06:05:25]

tjcarter:

I HATE HATE HATE HATE ezmlm

[06:07:00]

tjcarter:

And the more I am forced to interact with DJB's mind-numbing stupidity in the form of a half-assed list manager wannabe, the more I want to harm him and the idiot who decided to use it for the lists I am subscribed to that go through it.

[06:07:57]

tjcarter:

Maildir is about the only intelligent thing DJB ever came up with, and even that has some limitations.

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** tjcarter has no strong opinion on this issue, obviously ;) **

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roothorick:

something is wrong with mythwelcome...

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tjcarter:

roothorick: it was replaced with mythunwelcome? ;)

[06:11:20]

roothorick:

hurr

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roothorick:

it crashes when I quit the frontend

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roothorick:

I get just a blank screen that doesn't respond to anything

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roothorick:

and it's not even trying to suspend

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dserban__:

why is my mythweather all screwed up? I have such things as eatherObj() { displayed in places etc... can't retrieve data etc... anyone know?

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dserban__:

n/m i just rtfm'ed :)

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Puhi:

this might be a stupid question but why is mythtv using a hand-written configure script?

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Puhi:

why not autoconf & whatnot

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Puhi:

or it seems to be generated long ago in a faraway galaxy and maintained by hand ever since?

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justinh:

this might be a stupid question but why is a user even questioning a configure script that works? :P

[09:25:34]

justinh:

Puhi: you know, everybody is welcome to submit their own improvements to mythtv if they really want to ;)

[09:26:37]

Puhi:

i know :)

[09:28:01]

justinh:

maybe autoconf would just be too much hassle. I've changed mythtv configure scripts before & it's no big deal doing it by hand

[09:28:36]

Puhi:

i've always thought that autoconf and qmake don't mix or something

[09:28:52]

justinh:

maybe. I couldn't possibly comment

[09:29:11]

justinh:

i.e. I don't know

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justinh:

hmmmm. well, got all day off so might as well have a crack at putting that extra button in mythtv-setup

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justinh:

bah! svn+ssh doesn't seem to want to accept the username I give it

[09:57:13]

justinh:

phew! course the secured checkout is a different URL & I'd forgotten it

[09:57:29]

justinh:

and ~/.ssh/config needed fixing

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quicksilver:

interesting issue on my mythfrontend

[10:30:25]

quicksilver:

it segfaults every time you go in watch recordings

[10:30:33]

quicksilver:

turns out there is a particular recording it hates

[10:30:43]

quicksilver:

(which happens to the be one that comes up first in the default view)

[10:31:02]

quicksilver:

if you navigate away from it before it has a chance to bring up the mini-preview it is fine

[10:31:12]

quicksilver:

and playing livetv/other recordings is absolutely fine.

[10:34:28]

Puhi:

i might take a look at the autoconf things just to learn more about them

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justinh:

quicksilver: not a BBC HD recording by any chance is it?

[10:44:02]

quicksilver:

justinh: no, "Life is beautiful" from Film4 yesterday

[10:46:07]

justinh:

quicksilver: hmmm I think I had a recording that did that on my frontend. could well have been from film4

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justinh:

quicksilver: run mythfrontend with -v all & see what your log sayeth

[10:46:54]

quicksilver:

justinh: can't even delete it from the frontendbecause even the delete recordings thing has a preview window :)

[10:47:01]

quicksilver:

justinh: I will try that, yeah

[10:47:09]

quicksilver:

(it's at home and I'm at work, so when I get home)

[10:47:28]

quicksilver:

I ran mythfrontend with a controlling terminal so I could see output, and all I got was Segmentation Fault

[10:47:33]

quicksilver:

with nothing interesting before it

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quicksilver:

but I didn't try -v all yet

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justinh:

dunno if that'll yield anything interesting

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quicksilver:

worth trying.

[10:48:10]

justinh:

for all I use it I might aswell turn off the preview

[10:48:19]

quicksilver:

yeah I think the preview is very 'clever'

[10:48:22]

quicksilver:

but not actually useful

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justinh:

wonder how well a theme would go down if it didn't have it :D

[10:49:04]

justinh:

actually I think the frontend would just go "gah! no preview window!!! segfaulty"

[10:49:24]

quicksilver:

you could probably display it 1 pixel by 1 pixel somewhere offscreen? :)

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DGnome:

<3 segfault

[10:49:31]

justinh:

quicksilver: does it actually play ok?

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quicksilver:

justinh: dunno. Even if I press buttons very fast I can't get to it :)

[10:50:02]

quicksilver:

justinh: I'll try plaing it by hand with 'mythtv' from commandline

[10:50:17]

justinh:

quicksilver: that'd be something else to try then :)

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** quicksilver nods **

[10:50:45]

justinh:

I think the player code for the preview & regular view is common between em

[10:51:24]

justinh:

also be interesting to know what resolution the file is. ffmpeg -i $filename will tell you that

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** quicksilver nods **

[10:51:48]

quicksilver:

maybe it was poor reception

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justinh:

some freeview channels aren't 720x576

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quicksilver:

I've had poor reception make broken recordings before

[10:52:01]

quicksilver:

which take the frontend out

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justinh:

quicksilver: yeah that's about the only thing I've ever seen take the frontend out. has to be very bad though

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** quicksilver nods **

[10:52:26]

quicksilver:

tis still a bug though, boviously

[10:52:36]

quicksilver:

shouldn't crash :)

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justinh:

bobviously, b-yes

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quicksilver:

Film4 reception is normally pretty good though

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jduggan_:

lol

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quicksilver:

well, will experiment tonight

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justinh:

oh god I've just kicked off a replay of Fonejacker in my head

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justinh:

not what I need when I'm trying to understand slots & signals

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quicksilver:

I wonder if mythbrowser can launch smoething which handles realaudio

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justinh:

shudder

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quicksilver:

a mythbrowser bookmark for radio 4s 'listen again' page woudl win me major WAF brownie points

[10:57:11]

justinh:

wonder where the OSS advocates were when the BBC opted to use .ra

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quicksilver:

hiding behind the sofa during a particularly scary dr who rerun

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justinh:

blink? the only recent one worthy of note

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quicksilver:

justinh: the objective was to use a streaming format "cos obviously those can't be recorded" I imagine :P

[10:58:06]

quicksilver:

cos nobody has worked out how to record ra streams have they?

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quicksilver:

I mean, that's not even possible

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justinh:

lol

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quicksilver:

the electrons are 'streaming' electronics

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justinh:

no, course not

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quicksilver:

it's celver patented stuff

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quicksilver:

you just can't make them stand still

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quicksilver:

but stupidity aside, I imagine that's why

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justinh:

wait til quantum thingies hit the real world. oh man. copy that

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justinh:

I don't care if DRM still exists in the future just so long as it doesn't really affect how I want to do things

[11:00:11]

justinh:

fair enough, stop being distributing torrents & crap but don't stop Joe User using things as they see fit

[11:00:21]

justinh:

s/being/people

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justinh:

arghhh my c++ fu is weak

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justinh:

duh. of course you can call a class with a bool for its label as false, then set it later. meh

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justinh:

I only wanna add one lousy button damnit

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justinh:

ahh cool. plenty of room for my button onscreen anyway

[11:13:29]

justinh:

as predicted, here I am in inheritance hell

[11:16:39]

Daviey:

awww, the joys of OO programming

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justinh:

sadly for me, no part of the appearance settings has any buttons so there's no big flashing neon sign saying "do it this way"

[11:18:54]

justinh:

and as far as I can tell, other than the main buttons we normally see at the bottom of the screen, all the screens with buttons are outside of globalsettings.cpp, in libmythtv

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justinh:

even if I can get this to work I doubt I'll be much the wiser

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justinh:

more people should do this kind of thing though. good exercise for the grey matter

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justinh:

if anybody wants to help optimise the mythappearance code they're welcome to btw. dunno how well it'd sit in globalsettings.cpp in its current form

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justinh:

doh of course this won't compile. haven't even defined sizeWizardPanel() yet

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kaouete:

Hello, I want to use mythtv without a backend (cause I only use it to watch videos or launch games), is there a way to tell mythtv to not try to connect to the backend ? is the mysql database needed for this configuration ?

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jduggan_:

mysql is needed for the video meta data

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kaouete:

ok

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jduggan_:

mythtv isnt really what you want if youre not recording TV

[12:05:29]

jduggan_:

IMO

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kaouete:

maybe .. but i like the interface :)

[12:06:20]

jamesd:

even if you don't record, being able to pause and rewind tv is awesome and worth the overhead of myth and if you are not careful you will get hooked on recording anyway.

[12:06:39]

kaouete:

in fact I don't even want to watch tv

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kaouete:

I will take a look to it :)

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justinh:

ahhh AppearanceSettings doesn't have a relationship to yadayadayadafoo

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justinh:

what was I saying earlier about this being a good exercise?

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** justinh makes a new QObject **

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justinh:

bah!

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** Beirdo bangs his head on the wall **

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justinh:

I think I have to bow to a more superior intellect on this one. having to make the appearance settings gadget into a different animal is beyond my c++ fu

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Beirdo:

why oh why did 2.6.22 start only using libata for IDE access... my drive isn't /dev/sda, it's /dev/hda. Not SCSI, it's IDE. Why must they complicate things and make it harder to understand?

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justinh:

because they can?

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Beirdo:

I guess

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Beirdo:

the result was: my laptop was running without swap, and promptly went into an OOM death-spin

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Beirdo:

as I don't like using UUID mounts for swap

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Beirdo:

I remake my swap partitions once in a while

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Beirdo:

anyways...

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Beirdo:

morning, all

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justinh:

morning, or afternoon

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Beirdo:

and my irssi proxy to bitlbee broke somehow too

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Beirdo:

I just can't win

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fysa:

znc works wonderfully, Beirdo.

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Esine:

mytharchive doesn't work for me for all files. I've tried various TV recordings I have and only some of them work. Here's log files from one that didn't: http://tohveli.net/mythburn.log http://tohveli.net/progress.log

[14:02:49]

Esine:

notice how it says "Video resolution 0 by 0". I don't think the file should be corrupt as it's made by MythTV itself

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Esine:

so.. any way to fix this?

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n3utrino:

hi all, ive got a problem with dvb-c scanning in mythtv-setup. if i load a channels.conf from scan i get parsing errors and manual scan results are messed up (not getting lock) but on mplayer everything works fine.

[14:12:25]

n3utrino:

i use the latest svn version of mythtv

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Esine:

.. or maybe my problem is caused by the TV station having multiple subtitle and audio tracks (this is DVB-C) and mythtranscode/mytharchive doesn't support that. I've noticed the recordings from other channels mytharchive can handle just fine.

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justinh:

not that I hate MS or anything but it's always good for a chuckle when a big public body decides to go with linux instead

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justinh:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/30/french_open/

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opello:

go france?

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opello:

heh

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opello:

seemed like it was a long time coming after the OO.o switch a few years ago

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justinh:

opello: and UK too apparently. UK education IT

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opello:

and after they finally figured out how to make windows work without windows media player

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justinh:

heh well I'd probably like to see less outfits using propriatary formats, end of story. watermarked content, play with whatever, whenever, wherever you want

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justinh:

might be possible one day, embedding watermarks into content delivered to users. then go down hard on folks who distribute it. we could have all sorts of great stuff working with mythtv then – online movies the lot

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justinh:

</ramble>

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Dagmar:

They already do that from time to time with digital TV

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Dagmar:

That _sort_ of thing anyway

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Dagmar:

Some years back DirectTV ran a commercial talking about them celebrating some ficticious landmark or something, and telling viewers they could call for a free DirectTV t-shirt

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justinh:

macrovision are only one company heading for the Holy grail of invisible video watermarks – if they've not already achieved it

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Dagmar:

You call the 800 number, give your address, and they send you a lawsuit.

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Dagmar:

The commercial was flagged with a key no one should have been able to view

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justinh:

rofl

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justinh:

you mean – none of their subscribers

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Dagmar:

Exactly

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Dagmar:

To just jam a crude watermark in the top of a signal is trivial

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Dagmar:

That's really all that would be needed

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justinh:

Dagmar: yeah but make it specific to every instance of a download? heavy going

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Dagmar:

*That* would be even easier

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justinh:

Dagmar: easy in principle sure. but re-encoding every time? oof

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Dagmar:

YOu don't have to reencode

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Dagmar:

Let's say you wanted to do this

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Dagmar:

You just gotta tamper with a few I-frames

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Dagmar:

Gen 2–3 tinkered iframes per bit and unless the thing is seriously transcoded, it'll stick around

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Dagmar:

er is that P-frames

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Dagmar:

ANyway, the frames that are the whole image

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Dagmar:

You could dork with the interval frame before the I-frame in a way that would stand out for frequency analysis, but not show more than a little discoloration when the next full frame is shown

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Dagmar:

Just a wee little blip

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justinh:

too invasive IMHO

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Dagmar:

But most of these warez kids aint' real bright

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Dagmar:

They wouldn't even bother to transcode

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Dagmar:

1/30th of a seconds worth of distortion, especially down in the lower black range, would be easy-peasy

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Dagmar:

Studying steganography helps bigtime for this

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Dagmar:

You've seen how fast the cutter works for lossless transcoding

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Dagmar:

To have the files specially prepared to just have tagged frames put in with what amounts to a sed wouldn't be a huge load on a webserver compared to what SSL does

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Dagmar:

The audio track would be even _easier_ to tag

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clever:

Dagmar: ive read up on how 1 program hides data in images

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clever:

Dagmar: it basicaly edits random bits of the compressed data(while avoiding making the image invalid) to contain the encrypted data

[15:31:32]

clever:

so its encrypted and the bits are scatered about the image

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clever:

enless theres solid colors or an original you cant even tell the image has something hidden in it

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clever:

5megapixel photo of your family would have plenty of room, delete originalwhen done

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Dagmar:

Yeah, thta's a much more efficient way.

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Dagmar:

It can store quite a bit.

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Dagmar:

...but to tag a video file with a unique ID of about 32 digits, you wouldn't need NEARLY that kind of sophistication

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clever:

but with that its not realy something the standard box would work arround

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clever:

could just shove the crc hash in:P

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Dagmar:

If you had say, 10 frames of black screen, you could divide that into 64 quadrants and easily encode 8 bytes per 2 frames just by jacking up the 'on' bits brightness by about 5%

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Dagmar:

No one's likely to notice 1/3 second of somethign that barely registers on the screen

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clever:

enless they are looking for it

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Dagmar:

Yep, which means THEY have to do a bunch of looking through the files

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clever:

i find that alot of compression codecs do poorly for shades of darkness

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clever:

once you go under a certain shade the macroblocks realy start to stick out

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clever:

you allmost get rings of them

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justinh:

oh! now I know what input groups are!

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justinh:

for groups of inputs which can't be used at the same time

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justinh:

e.g. for those stupid hybrid tuners

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justinh:

or those with STBs connected via svideo/composite and cable/antenna connections on pvr cards

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plb_:

hm trying to add an icon to a channel so I inserted the path to the image in the channel editor but it won't show up..is there something you must run to get it to update?

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justinh:

does the user you run mythfrontend as have permission to read the icon ?

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plb_:

yep

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justinh:

and you're talking about mythfrontend, not mythweb ...

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plb_:

ya

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plb_:

the channel icon

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justinh:

just point the iconpath at the icon, and it should show up next time you load the guide

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plb_:

weird now it seems to be workin

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plb_:

oh well heh

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jarle:

When entering LiveTV or play a recording, one of my frontends crashes with "/usr/bin/mythfrontend.real: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0: undefined symbol: glXGetProcAddress" Any idea what might cause this? It runs the same version of mythtv and OS as my other working frontends..

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jarle:

Maybe some frontend specific myth settings might be different, where should I check?

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directhex|bsp:

your /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0 is badly compiled

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jarle:

directhex: all my frontends runs (the same version of) pre-packaged mythbuntu svn...

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jarle:

directhex: maybe I should force a re-install of the libmythtv...

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directhex|bsp:

glXGetProcAddress is an nvidia-related thing, i think

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jarle:

directhex: so would I think... the frontend used to work just fine, suddenly it just stopped, not sure what I did to break it...

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jarle:

directhex|bsp: trying to re-install libmyth now....

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jarle:

directhex|bsp: no luck... when looking at google the only errors I find seem to be related to MySQL...

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directhex|bsp:

it's still a 3d driver issue though. why mysql is linked against it, i have no idea

[16:58:10]

directhex|bsp:

but something somewhere i linked against a dodgy glx

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directhex|bsp:

possible the nvidia version linked in, but incompatible with your system

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jarle:

directhex: the frontend not working is using the legacy nvidia binary driver, while the frontend that is working is using a "up2date" driver...

[17:05:17]

jarle:

google seems to tell me that this error might be connected to using glXGetProcAddress instead of glXGetProcAddressARB...

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jarle:

guess something is not as it should be here:

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jarle:

$ xdriinfo

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jarle:

libGL is too old.

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tgm4883_laptop:

iamlindoro_, just wanted to say thanks again. I modified that script a little and now I can control both of my directv boxes with my mceusb2. Thanks again, works flawlessly

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tgm4883_laptop:

whats the best way to delete channels that I don't receive (I use schedules direct). Do I just delete them in schedules direct then run a mythfilldatabase, or do I need to delete them in mythtv-setup? If I need to delete them in mythtv-setup, do I still need to delete them in schedules direct website?

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jarle:

directhex|bsp: seems this is related to my problem: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14643

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jarle:

!seen laga

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MythLogBot:

laga was last seen 31 days 3 hours 26 minutes 44 seconds ago

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jarle:

wow... that's what I call a long nap....

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fysa:

!seen juski

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MythLogBot:

juski was last seen 103 days 6 hours 17 minutes 7 seconds ago

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justinh:

guess he's never coming back eh

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justinh:

uhoh. just received word I'm gonna have a Vista box to have a look at. not even the jack daniels shaped carrot is enough to make me look forward to seeing that

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jduggan_:

which menu do you set how much a recording should overrun for?

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jduggan_:

i want to record like 3minutes longer than scheduled

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jduggan_:

ah i see you can do it in the recording priorities, nm

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clever:

theres a few places

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clever:

one is to pad all recordings a set number of seconds(which can be droped to solve a conflict)

[18:28:45]

jduggan_:

yea, id like to default all to 2minutes before and 2minutes after

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clever:

the other in the recording rule will allways record so much and can cause conflict hell

[18:29:23]

jduggan_:

mine keeps dropping the end of eastenders

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jduggan_:

haha

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jduggan_:

im a sucker for soaps

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clever:

setup

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clever:

tv settings

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clever:

general

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justinh:

!trout jduggan_ anti-soap

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** MythLogBot slaps jduggan_ with a anti-soap trout on behalf of justinh... **

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clever:

advanced page

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clever:

you can mark how early/late to start/stop in seconds

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justinh:

jduggan_: here I'll tell you what you keep missing... "Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa mleeeee"

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jduggan_:

lol

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jduggan_:

faaamleee is important

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jduggan_:

i wonder

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clever:

the only problem is if something it scheduled to record right afterwards it will cut that off

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clever:

even if its the same channel

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jduggan_:

consider the following

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jduggan_:

soccer match

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jduggan_:

90minutes

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justinh:

multirec!#

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jduggan_:

i record 10minutes before/after

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jduggan_:

it goes into overtime and penalties

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justinh:

jduggan_: EIT !

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jduggan_:

so extends up to an hour past its schedule

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jduggan_:

i dont have EIT

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jduggan_:

:o

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justinh:

jduggan_: when you use uk_rt, and indeed any non-realtime updated recorder it's always going to miss

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jduggan_:

EIT updates in realtime, when it extends?

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justinh:

jduggan_: you can specify custom rules to auto-extend recordings 'just in case' though- I didn't find that out til recently

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clever:

allways record 1 extra hour

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jarle:

Do I really need to remove and re-setup input cards for multirec to work, or will just changing the number of simultanous recordings do the trick?

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justinh:

jduggan_: even extend recording times just for one category/title/regex. I thought "wooooO" when I saw it

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jduggan_:

i need more tuners

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jduggan_:

:O

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jduggan_:

so i can extend sport by an hour or more

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jduggan_:

*just* incase

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justinh:

jarle: best to delete IIRC

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jarle:

justinh: I seemed to get extra inputs without deleting, but I keep reading people saying that one needs to delete, so I was starting to wonder...

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meshugga:

chaps

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meshugga:

im writing software which can automatically rename avi files of shows and movies

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meshugga:

and i thought about adding a feature which creates info files with director, actors, show content

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meshugga:

is there a format for such a file?

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meshugga:

(i'm btw not talking about scene .inf files ;)

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meshugga:

ideally, it could create files which mythvideo could read

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meshugga:

is there such a format?

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iamlindoro:

No. Mythvideo's info is all stored in the database.

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jams:

you know there was talk about making an xml file for that sort of stuff

[19:21:57]

jams:

maybe the mytharchive export option?

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meshugga:

k

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jams:

meshugga- talk to Anduin, he might have some suggestions about the format

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Anduin:

I don't, I had looked for something common, also considered keeping an id3 only file as well, or some XML one, I couldn't find a good general purpose format.

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meshugga:

ok, so i'll just create one i guess

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meshugga:

but i doubt i will be xml, more like something human readable

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Anduin:

other areas use item:data

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meshugga:

like .nfos but without the scene crap

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azop:

Is it possible to record one channel, and watch another channel with Directv? If so should I pickup the Directv DVR or two receivers?

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S2:

i want 0.21 so bad

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S2:

i hope it comes out soon

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S2:

and of course i want it completely stable and without bugs :)

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GreyFoxx:

S2: Then you should start running snv trunk now to help find bugs :)

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GreyFoxx:

It's not too far away

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S2:

GreyFoxx: do you think it's time to run trunk?

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S2:

if it's really broken i can't

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GreyFoxx:

I always think it's time to run trunk

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GreyFoxx:

It's almost always the more stable option :)

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S2:

but if it's a few bugs here and there i will

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GreyFoxx:

Trunk is usually extremely stable

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GreyFoxx:

and any real/large bugs get quickly fixed as that is the version devs are using :)

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GreyFoxx:

Though it's recommended that running svn also means reading the -dev and -commits list :)

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S2:

right

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DGnome:

trunk is the only way to fly.. err record :)

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bradd:

did i hear correctly that the multirec stuff has been committed to trunk?

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DGnome:

yessir

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DGnome:

works like a charm

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bradd:

cool

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bradd:

you set that up in mythtv-setup? or?

[20:02:23]

DGnome:

yes

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bradd:

perfect thanks

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DGnome:

recording optionn under capture cards

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bradd:

thats it? just set max recordings to 5(or anything >1)?

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bradd:

oh yea..that looks to have added 4 more tuners

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bradd:

cool

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azop:

Is it possible to record one channel, and watch another channel with Directv? If so should I pickup the Directv DVR or two receivers?

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gandalfcome:

What user is used to run mythfilldatabase?

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DGnome:

bradd: just make sure you have enough I/O crunch to record 5 simultaneous streams :)

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DGnome:

bradd: also make sure your system can manage your N-amount of simultaneous viewers while recording those 5 streams

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htpcdvbs:

hello all

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bradd:

of course

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DGnome:

hello upon thee, htpcdvbs

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htpcdvbs:

i have a question i was using mythmusic it was playing fine a week ago today it don't play at all

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htpcdvbs:

only thing i did was update mythtv to lastest svn

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DGnome:

the shit seems to haveth hit the fan.

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htpcdvbs:

i click on mplayer it don't show up

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jarle:

gandalfcome: usually "mythtv"

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htpcdvbs:

what shit hit the fan

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DGnome:

htpcdvbs: try running mythfrontend from a terminal and see if it tells you why audio output from mythmusic goes wrong.

[20:22:15]

htpcdvbs:

how do i do that is it mythfrontend -v all

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DGnome:

oh no

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DGnome:

begin with the least amount of verbose

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gandalfcome:

jarle: I have had an xmltv problem error 3328, any ideas what that is?

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htpcdvbs:

is that right dgnome

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jarle:

gandalfcome: Try running it from the commandline and your normal user, if you don't see the error then it's probably some permission error...

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DGnome:

htpcdvbs: yes, because the highest level of verbose is a bit hard to follow with all database transactions and all

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htpcdvbs:

says decodermad :failed to open input error 5

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gandalfcome:

jarle: so if I am the mythtv user it should run fine?

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htpcdvbs:

so decodermad is bad

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DGnome:

I've had that error

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DGnome:

well

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gandalfcome:

jarle can you repeat, i was ofline for a second

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htpcdvbs:

what do i need to fix it

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DGnome:

htpcdvbs: if you tried to play mp3:s, mad is not your problem

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htpcdvbs:

well they are mp3s

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jarle:

gandalfcome: it might have problems finding the ~/.xmltv/*.conf file if it is running as another user that the user who originally set it up...

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DGnome:

htpcdvbs: i saw that error three months ago and I can't remember what I ate for lunch yesterday so.. sorry

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fiXXXerMet:

Where can I find a storage calculator for high def programming?

[20:26:44]

gandalfcome:

I set it up with mythbuntu, it worked before

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gandalfcome:

jarle: My father somehow reconfigured it and now Im trying to remote fix it

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jarle:

gandalfcome: where do you see the error, in the console running it manually or in a log?

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DGnome:

htpcdvbs: when you compiled mythtv and mythplugins, did you check that you had support for mp3 in mythmusic?

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htpcdvbs:

yes

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htpcdvbs:

it did

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gandalfcome:

jarle in mythweb

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DGnome:

htpcdvbs: taglib was the problem for me

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jarle:

gandalfcome: also you might need to update your version of xmltv if something changed and broke the grabber...

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DGnome:

htpcdvbs: just check what ./configure in mythplugins tells you

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jarle:

gandalfcome: then try running it from console and see if you get the same error or nor...

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justinh:

fiXXXerMet: HD bitrates vary a lot but allegedly top out at 18Mbits/sec – not that any broadcaster is likely to be found using that. normal rule of thumb cited here is 8–9GB per hour

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htpcdvbs:

MythMusic plugin will be built

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DGnome:

htpcdvbs: look above

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justinh:

160GB is more than enough for some users but some file squirrels like 2–10TB :P

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htpcdvbs:

nothing above it

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superm1:

You know I was looking myself for any luck people have had with IP recordings via uverse? Not too much chatter on the ML about it

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gandalfcome:

jarle: okay it seems to work

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DGnome:

htpcdvbs: errors are posted above will or will not be built

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htpcdvbs:

no errors

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justinh:

superm1: never seen any mention of uverse here. what is it? subscription based thingy?

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htpcdvbs:

it says it plugin will be built

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DGnome:

htpcdvbs: are you sure?

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htpcdvbs:

yes

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gandalfcome:

jarle: i copied the .xmltv from my fathers user to mythtv/.mythtv

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superm1:

justinh, its this fibre to home offering that ATT has in the area I moved to

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gandalfcome:

jarle: i hope that works, thanks again

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DGnome:

htpcdvbs: ./configure > file.txt and upload it to pastebin.ca

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superm1:

they provide some set top boxes that do IP recording afaik

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justinh:

superm1: just looked it up. smells like propriatary spirit

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htpcdvbs:

dgnome it says everything will be built

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superm1:

yeah that's what i was figuring, but wishful thinking i suppose that it wasn't :)

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justinh:

IPTV != internet TV. I think a lot of so-called 'IPTV' is just on private switched networks – hence not worth spit for us mythers

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justinh:

and er.. well sniffing into it & finding a way to use it might be construed as naughty – remains to be seen of course

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GreyFoxx:

We have a local DSL provider that now does IPTV. I'm hoping to get a chance to go over to afriends this weekend and sniffing the traffic to see what I can see

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** superm1 nods **

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DGnome:

fiXXXerMet: I'd never settle for less than 300GB storage for recordings. I'm thinking of building a raid5 array at about 1.5TB to house my tv-viewing needs :)

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justinh:

since they can effectively control what you get from their end though, it might even just be clean & nice – you never know ;)

[20:34:12]

bradd:

DGnome..successfully recording 4 shows on one tuner right now :)

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GreyFoxx:

If it's straight up iptv like we use now I'll try recording it

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superm1:

justinh, the thing is its a dirt cheap offering for their cable and internet plans, probably half of the cost that I would pay for the same with my cable provider. I might be up for paying a month of service just to see what kind of luck that turns out

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fiXXXerMet:

DGnome: Me too. Just trying to convince my friend that he'll need more than just 160gb!

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justinh:

if they do just control what you get from their end, as opposed to putting it all on a pipe & filtering it down at the STB side – and it's not a propriatary format – then yay for iptv! I won't hold my breath though

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g4lv4tr0n:

hi anyone know where i can find an updated UK transponder list

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justinh:

wow what a crap nick

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justinh:

anyway lyngsat.com :)

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g4lv4tr0n:

thanx

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[[thufir]]:

can the http://damnsmalllinux.org/store/Mini_ITX_Syst . . . mall_Machine be used to stream media from a myth-box?

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g4lv4tr0n:

on lyngsat do i just click on europe ?

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g4lv4tr0n:

for uk listings

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DGnome:

g4lv4tr0n: europe and then you find eurobird1 in the list

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justinh:

eurobird1 / astra

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justinh:

oh lordy. this 'dead slow' vista machine is a 2.66Ghz core2 duo with 2GB ram !

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justinh:

wtf?!

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DGnome:

vista on a computer is like castrating a stud

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justinh:

DGnome: yeah but that much?! something must be seriously borked

[20:50:43]

DGnome:

my boss bought a dualcore laptop with 2GB

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DGnome:

he whined and complained till he installed ubuntu

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DGnome:

so, yes, it's possible to castrate a computer

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justinh:

is it that bad? I mean I'd heard plenty people wanted to go back to XP but come on...

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directhex:

no, it's not that bad

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DGnome:

t's even worse

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DGnome:

+i

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justinh:

prolly riddled with spyware & stuff I think. 18 year old daughter, myspaz etc... blech

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directhex:

most "waa vista is slow" complaints happen a) because it's the factory install, coated in manufacturer pre-installed shite, and xp would be no better with the same shit or b) the early "teething" phase where vista spends much time indexing

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justinh:

I'll have a proper look at it when I have time

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justinh:

wonder what all the 'powers that be' think of other projects supporting piracy like that, albeit through a 'not us guv' shield. we know it might have legit uses but come on.. how much of it is?

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justinh:

oops

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[[thufir]]:

can the http://damnsmalllinux.org/store/Mini_ITX_Syst . . . mall_Machine be used to stream media from a myth-box?

[20:59:57]

g4lv4tr0n:

hi i found eurobird1 what info do i enter into mythtv transponder list ?

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g4lv4tr0n:

i went to lyngsat.com and found eurobird1 what info do i add to mythtv

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dangral:

Hi everyone. I have an issue that some others may have come across. I'm running mythtv on fedora core 8 via atrpms. My problem is that lircd dies soon after startup. If I manually do a depmod and modprobe, then lircd comes back up and doesnt die.

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DGnome:

g4lv4tr0n: do not ask people privately.

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DGnome:

g4lv4tr0n: it will not result in any more help

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g4lv4tr0n:

i posted the same question publically too

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DGnome:

g4lv4tr0n: people here answer if they know, have the time or the energy to do so.

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g4lv4tr0n:

i went to lyngsat.com and found eurobird1 what info do i add to mythtv

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DGnome:

Why on earth did you priv me then?!

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DGnome:

jeesch

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DGnome:

now i have to type /window 19 and /wc

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davidwinter:

hi all. are there any other clients that work with mythtv server?

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g4lv4tr0n:

cause you told me to go to lyngsat and find eurobird1 i found it and then was asking you what to do next ;)

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DGnome:

g4lv4tr0n: dude, try making a channels.conf with the use of scan (comes with dvb-utils) and an example initial transponder data file which you then import into mythtv.

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clever:

DGnome: you could just alt+a then /wc

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DGnome:

g4lv4tr0n: mythtv works a bit different than normal dvb-s stb:s

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DGnome:

g4lv4tr0n: but I'd go for making a channels.conf

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DGnome:

g4lv4tr0n: someone with more dvb-s related experience might be able to help you better than I do, try googling for a mythtv dvb-s howto

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dangral:

I posted this a few minutes ago, but my irc client died, so I'm reposting: Hi everyone. I have an issue that some others may have come across. I'm running mythtv on fedora core 8 via atrpms. My problem

[21:20:06]

dangral:

is that lircd dies soon after startup. If I manually do a depmod and modprobe, then lircd comes back up and doesnt die.

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cesman:

syslog my man, syslog

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dangral:

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g4lv4tr0n:

how do i disable mythtv so i can use the scan app ?

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clever:

stop the mythbackend

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g4lv4tr0n:

ho do i do that

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Dagmar:

killall mythbackend (as root) generally works

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Dagmar:

Reading a basic Linux book is another method

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DGnome:

g4lv4tr0n: if you installed it correctly you could do a /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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dangral:

Here's the snippet from /var/log/messages when lircd dies

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dangral:

Jan 30 16:32:25 mythbox lircd-0.8.3-CVS[2135]: accepted new client on /dev/lircd

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dangral:

Jan 30 16:32:25 mythbox lircd-0.8.3-CVS[2135]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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dangral:

Jan 30 16:32:25 mythbox lircd-0.8.3-CVS[2135]: default_init(): No such file or directory

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dangral:

Jan 30 16:32:25 mythbox lircd-0.8.3-CVS[2135]: caught signal

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DGnome:

dangral: try asking on a lirc-specific irc-channel?

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dangral:

DGnome: ok, I'll do that.

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DGnome:

dangral: I'd also check if hardware.conf and lircd.conf are in the right places

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stowaway-atwork:

yo

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DGnome:

good night upon thee stowaway-atwork who propably is having an afternoon.

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stowaway-atwork:

actually its 7:40am

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DGnome:

new zealand

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DGnome:

hello

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dangral:

DGnome: What's odd is that if I manually run /sbin/modprobe lirc_i2c and that service lircd start, it works. but I'm going to check out the lirc site and forums. thanks

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stowaway-atwork:

new zealand?

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stowaway-atwork:

Australian.

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DGnome:

oh sorry

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DGnome:

:D

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DGnome:

it's getting late here :)

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stowaway-atwork:

i wish it were late here. i just got into work

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loops:

does Myth have any web-scraping backend for North American listings ?

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fedorared:

loops: I don't know of any, and SchedulesDirect is more reliable

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loops:

fedorared, yeah.. looking for elcheapo option :o) figured there'd be enough like minded frugal's around to have made a scraper by now

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fedorared:

SD is down to $20/year

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fedorared:

What html would it parse exactly?

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fryfrog:

loops: there was someone here last night, there is an xmltv zap scraper

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fryfrog:

i don't know much more than that

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loops:

fedorared, there are lots of listings available online.. would work same as scrapers in other countries.

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loops:

fryfrog, thanks.. i'll google it :o)

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fryfrog:

loops: the problem is, it isn't worth it

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fryfrog:

$20/yr is like 5 cents a day or .2 cents per hour... so you really have to have a low value of your time to justify it :(

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

It's the stupidly-cheap price we always wanted for this stuff

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Dagmar:

Jus' pay it

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Dagmar:

MUCH simpler

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Dagmar:

s/stupidly/stupefyingly/; better word

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loops:

if enough people work on a scraper.. it's cheap in time for everyone

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loops:

many hands make light work

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loops:

i'm not going to pay money to know when tv shows are on.. at any price.. :o/ thaz just me.. i don't resent those who want to pay.

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Dagmar:

And what you're talking about would be deliberate theft of data

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loops:

Dagmar, i'm prepared to go against stupid laws.

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Dagmar:

...which is the main reason everyone's happy to just throw a few bucks at the problem so we don't catch hell from anyone about it

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loops:

and mythtv does it for other countries.

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loops:

so i don't see a reason not to do it in US as well

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Dagmar:

Other countries have no other option

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loops:

that's no excuse to break the law

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loops:

if you're being all moral about it

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Dagmar:

A _company_ sat down and worked out contracts to get broadcast data from everyone, in a timely fashion, and reliably.

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Dagmar:

That company takes money to run

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Dagmar:

I'm not being "all moral" about it

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Dagmar:

I'm being _sensible_ about it

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loops:

yes you are.. you excuse the practice in other countries just because it's all that's available.

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Dagmar:

Yes, they _have_ no other option

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loops:

exactly.. so you think because there's no other option they should be encouraged to .. as you put it... "deliberately thieve data"

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Dagmar:

We've got a _better_, _more reliable_ method here, and it just take a few bucks to keep it running

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loops:

that's your assessment.. my assessment is that supporting any business model that wants any amount of money for tv listings is stupid.

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jduggan_:

when was 'Watch List' Added to the watch recordings menu?

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loops:

if enough people say "no"... the tv companies will make it free.. because in the end they want us to watch

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Dagmar:

yeah, well, when you get out of the house and have a job and realize that free time isn't an infinite quantity anymore, your attitude will change

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loops:

so by paying for it.. it's just setting a bad precedent

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loops:

Dagmar, insults don't support your argument ... i'm saying if many people work on a scraper.. it wont cost that much time..

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Dagmar:

There's problems you _solve_ and problems you just throw some money at

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Dagmar:

This is one of the latter

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Dagmar:

'cuz it's too damn cheap to bother

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loops:

Dagmar, i think sending money to them is sending wrong message...

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loops:

but thaz just me.. i understand your arguments

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Dagmar:

_One hour_ of me at the office pays for the whole year.

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tim_at_whersrove:

jduggan: it is a configurable option to show it

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jduggan_:

how about you both agree to disagree? :)

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loops:

jduggan_, it's fun to hash it out sometimes :o)

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Dagmar:

You can spend ten hours banging on it, and be short a lot of free time, or you can do what sane people do

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jduggan_:

tim_at_whersrove: i see – i had to scrap myth some years ago due to movements etc, only last 3months had myth back, its a nice addition to my menu

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loops:

Dagmar, i respectfully submit that sane people can reach differing conclusions on such matters.

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tim_at_whersrove:

iirc it was 20.1 but that is guessing

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Dagmar:

I've probably pirated my weight in electrons over the years. There's no point in trying to rip ludicrously cheap stuff.

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Dagmar:

THe money keeps people focused on making the data "go" as their day job

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jduggan_:

tim_at_whersrove: ah, i was using myth pre 20.x

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loops:

Dagmar, if you valued your time so much.. you wouldn't have wasted so much of it on this conversation :o)

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Dagmar:

Well, I hate to bust your bubble but I have quite a bit of free time every time I restart the frontend here

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loops:

Dagmar, i understand your arguments.. i believe that this type of data would flow quite well and be paid for by alternate means if enough people said "hell no"

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tim_at_whersrove:

I lost my channelinput table from the database this morning, don't quite know how, but there didn't seem to be an easy way to get it back without writing the sql and executing it, am I missing something here? should mythtv-setup no be checking the tables exist when it starts?

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fryfrog:

loops: there are other people who feel the same way, hook up with them.

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Dagmar:

loops: This is because you weren't trying to do this _before_ zap2it became available

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Dagmar:

It's a hassle

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otwin:

loops: the problem is that every site grabber is unreliable because website layouts are modified, often deliberately to break the grabbers – SD is reliable and legal

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loops:

fryfrog, will do.. thanks for that tip.. i already found some google stuff

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fryfrog:

some guy in here last night had plenty of free time to deal with scrapping

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fryfrog:

xmltv still has the ability, afaik

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loops:

otwin, yeah.. there are some downsides to scraping... it's not the best solution.

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loops:

Dagmar, i used screen scraping before zap2it.. just like everyone else did

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Dagmar:

Well then think of it like a tip jar then

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loops:

fryfrog, yeah.. we only need one guy without a life and we can all scrape :o)

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Dagmar:

'cuz the people who are providing the feed now are folks from _here_ and the dev team.

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Dagmar:

They stuck it out and got zap2it to cut us a feed for cheap when TMS decided it was too much trouble

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loops:

Dagmar, which may explain why they aren't interested in looking at alternatives.. now that they get free listings for themselves etc.

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Dagmar:

The majority of the cost is just server space and bandwidth

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otwin:

loops: I would be happy to pay 20 euros to a non-profit organisation for reliable data – most of time I spent keeping mythtv running is for the xmltv grabbers

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Dagmar:

loops: If they're _running the LLC_ it's not "free" listings

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loops:

otwin, yes.. but if there are lots of people maintaining the scrapers.. its not a big deal.. it was _okay_ before zap2it

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Dagmar:

Filing taxes, dealing with business licences and so on, these are not "fun" things for programmers usuaully

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loops:

Dagmar, all the developers get complimentary SD accounts.

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fryfrog:

loops: the problem is that most of the people who are "skilled" enough to deal with a scraper also make enough money where their time is simply better spent *elsewhere*

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Dagmar:

cuz the data is cheap

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fryfrog:

would you rather have "free" tv data or more features in myth?

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fryfrog:

for $20/mo, i'd rather have free tvdata

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Dagmar:

Yeah really

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Dagmar:

AGain, this is time they _never_ have to worry about the listings data

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fryfrog:

for $20/YR... i'd rather have more features

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otwin:

loops: I run 4 different grabbers to get my data – the problem is not that the grabbers don't get updated, it's that I have to look after them

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loops:

fryfrog, agreed. which is why it would be nice to find a half dozen or so people interested in sharing the load.

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loops:

otwin, did you write the grabbers?

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otwin:

no

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Dagmar:

loops: This is practically communism in action dude. If figured if you're into free you'd be all for it

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otwin:

all xmltv grabbers

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loops:

Dagmar, it's not communism.. i think the free market would pay for this data another way if enough consumers said "hell no"

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fryfrog:

zap2it was originally started due to scrapers, afair

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loops:

Dagmar, i think by agreeing to pay for it.. you're sending the wrong message to these people.

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Dagmar:

Unless that "way" is golden chicken feathers raining down from the sky, then no.

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fryfrog:

people pay for tvguide no?

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Dagmar:

It doesn't get simpler than this

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fryfrog:

they pay for listings data built into their cable?

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loops:

no.. my cable has free listings on it

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Dagmar:

Yet by now you're probably already seeing ads in 1/4 of that screen

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Dagmar:

...and the interface is slow as balls since they added the animated ads

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Serajewe1KS:

for me, $20/yr is a little under two hours at work. i'd rather "spend" two hours a year to get the data than spend a few weeks a year maintaining a scraper. though if someone else wants to maintain a good scraper i would certainly use it.

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loops:

Dagmar, it is _slow_ but no ads

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Dagmar:

Do they broadcast EIT?

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loops:

Serajewe1KS, yes.. but even you'd agree that $0/year would be better :)

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loops:

Dagmar, no.. it's digital cable..

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SerajewelKS:

loops: it would amount to more than $0/year if i had to work on it myself

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loops:

SerajewelKS, but if there was a small group of people working on the scraper for everyone....

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loops:

SerajewelKS, could even auto-update on everyones boxes.

[22:25:08]

SerajewelKS:

loops: then i would applaud them

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Dagmar:

loops: Yes, and basically, it's faster for those people to pay money for it

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SerajewelKS:

loops: and i would use it

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loops:

SerajewelKS, i'd donate a few hours to the cause.. i'm sure others would too.

[22:25:29]

SerajewelKS:

loops: until that happens, it's cheaper this way

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Dagmar:

Them doing the work, even in little bitty pieces, is incredibly _low value_ work

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loops:

SerajewelKS, agreed.. which is why i'm just feeling out interest levels :)

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SerajewelKS:

loops: i'd be interested in doing it more so if stations provided raw xmltv that we could just aggregate

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tgm4883_laptop:

loops, theres your problem. Donating a few hours of time is worth more than $20

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loops:

SerajewelKS, yes.

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Dagmar:

Frankly I'd call and hassle your cable company about why they're not broadcasting some kind of machine-readable feed for all the people with super-fancy TVs now

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loops:

tgm4883_laptop, yeah.. but i donate lots of time to causes i believe in.. it's not all bout money.. it's a hobby

[22:27:03]

loops:

Dagmar, agreed. the data should be machine readable.. but they prolly under contract as well.

[22:27:43]

SerajewelKS:

loops: i agree, i do lots of FLOSS work because i want to and it's fun

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loops:

SerajewelKS, yeah.. although even i won't pretend screen scraping is fun ;o)

[22:28:13]

SerajewelKS:

loops: but also because i'm interested. maintaining a scraper against a moving target is not fun work to me; i don't want my work to be dependent on a closed, changing format.

[22:28:34]

SerajewelKS:

i'd rather create a new solution against open standards

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Dagmar:

Parsing deranged HTML is loads of fun

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SerajewelKS:

anyway i have a meeting about making real money, later :)

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loops:

SerajewelKS, well part of the problem is that with so many people agreeing to pay for the data.. there's not a lot of reason for the networks/tv stations to work with an open standards group.

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loops:

lol.. see ya.. i better go too.. cheers all.

[22:31:24]

clever:

Dagmar: ive made a bit of a html scraper for an online html based game

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clever:

Dagmar: the thing basicaly logs in and scraps a cgi page every 5 seconds

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clever:

reporting changes to a few places

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fryfrog:

loops: do you *pay* for your cable? if yes, then you are *paying* for your listings.

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Dagmar:

Now imagine if that game got a manic marketing department that thought the whole site needed to be reskinned every month to "keep it fresh"

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clever:

this game hasnt changed in years

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loops:

fryfrog, which is why i refuse to double-pay for them

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clever:

but just writing regex for scraping these fields makes my head hurt some days

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blackest:

you know what would be useful without going quite so far would be a program to generate simple guides. for example i use a pvr150 so i cant get the over air guide, however topgear is on bbc2 at 9pm for an hour every thursday lets say ok so with our hypothetical guide maker we enter this information and myth now knows this program is available and we can say record it.

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SerajewelKS:

blackest: that's not a bad idea

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SerajewelKS:

blackest: can't you create a custom recording event in myth though?

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hadees:

does anyone else have a channel called CreateTV? Its a PBS channel and schedulesdirect doesn't have it

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blackest:

to an extent yes but this could be easier heck if you got clever with it you could translate video+ codes into a recording schedule

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fryfrog:

hadees: report it to SD

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fryfrog:

hadees: since they are a paying customer to TMS, they get attention and can fix those types of problems.

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hadees:

k, i will

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blackest:

see there is another reason to have a guide entering program, for odd ball channels like that

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fryfrog:

or just fix it, since we are paying customers... we shouldnt have to deal with stuff like that :p

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blackest:

can schedules direct tell me the schedule for cinimax2 on polsat ?

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blackest:

or the schedules for premier or tps

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blackest:

or sky1 ...

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blackest:

lots of channels are available its going to be impossible to cover all countys tv channels

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fedorared:

OK this will be fun... switching SchedulesDirect lineups on the fly because I picked the wrong Comcast

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directhex:

blackest, schedulesdirect is for US and canada

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blackest:

ok so that leaves the rest of the world wanting something :)

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blackest:

for freeview in the uk its no hassle at all

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blackest:

theres electronic guide data for a cpl of weeks broadcast

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fryfrog:

xmltv

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directhex:

xmltv gives you a few hundred channels of data from radio times

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blackest:

radio times only has uk broadcasts so should do sky i guess just not my foreign channels

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blackest:

I quite fancy working on a simple manual guide

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blackest:

just for the programs i want which isnt many really

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directhex:

it's non-trivial, but possible to combine multiple sources together

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directhex:

but i don't think there's an xmltv grabber for poland

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directhex:

is there anything worth watching, in english, on polsat?

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blackest:

no not really unless you like viva polska which has a habit of running a polish translation of english songs as a sorta subtitle

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blackest:

good fun for practicing my polish

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azop:

Can mythtv support two directv receivers?

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azop:

as far as recording from one and viewing live from the other?

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directhex:

azop, if you have 2 tv cards and 2 ir blasters and so on

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azop:

i do

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azop:

so it would be seamless?

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azop:

I could just have it record channel 200 and watch channel 201 all at the same time

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azop:

directhex: do you know if two directv receivers would be better for this...or one directv dvr (they have two inputs)

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directhex:

azop, they don't have 2 outputs though

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directhex:

azop, in general, being forced into using a set-top box sucks

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azop:

oh, well then I won't go with the DVR option

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azop:

directhex: eh?

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directhex:

azop, grabbing analog output from a set-top box? being forced into having a large pile of set-top boxes? needing to pretend to be a tv remote in order to change channel? shittiness.

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azop:

directhex: yea

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azop:

but that's the only real option :(

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blackest:

there are others but it depends on whats allowed by your provider

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azop:

the provider is directv, if that helps

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fedorared:

How do I reload the guide data I just changed my Data Direct Lineup?

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directhex:

satellite is totally locked down in yankland

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blackest:

dont some us cableboxes have firewire outputs at least for some channels ?

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azop:

blackest: some do

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fryfrog:

fedorared: --refresh-all?

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blackest:

i have heard that myth can work with firewire but its not an option i can explore in the uk

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fedorared:

fryfrog: As an option for what?

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fryfrog:

mythfilldatabase

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fedorared:

Bah I just deleted the video source. I'll rescan and --refresh-all, thanks.

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jmusits:

having some trouble watching tv through my pvr-350 myth says unable to initialize video

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directhex:

not sure how many people really care about 350 support anymore

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jmusits:

the menus are fine, just upraded to the 2.6.23 kernel ivtv drivers and the 1.0.0 xf86-ivtv driver

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jduggan_:

hmm

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jduggan_:

should a PCI nvidia 5200 w/dvi output be able to handle atleast 720p HD?

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TUplink:

how can i make myth open on Screen1 insted of the screen that its loaded from

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TUplink:

i did this once b4 but forget the switch for mythfrontend

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jduggan_:

export DISPLAY

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jduggan_:

i believe

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directhex:

jduggan_, it should handle 1280x720@60hz

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solexious:

Can mythtv handle routing audio? i.e. dvd though one audio card and music though another

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jduggan_:

directhex: well my p4 3.06ghz 2gb ram *used* to play HD fine, one day it stopped.. only thing ive done in meantime is stop using the onboard intel, and installed the PCI dvi gfx card so i can do native res on my HD TV

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jduggan_:

now it stutters like crazy

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jduggan_:

sound is perfect

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directhex:

jduggan_, xv is functional?

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jduggan_:

video is glitchy as hell

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TUplink:

solexious: yea...

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jduggan_:

yeap

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jduggan_:

its not strictly a myth issue, mplayer has the same problem playing 720p blueray samples

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TUplink:

anyone knoe how to open mythfrontend on X screen 1 instead of 0

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