Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, January 29th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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mediabuntu:

impressive stuff. imagine this integrated into mythweb

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justinh:

imagine.. 2 gyroscoping remotes, having to waggle them randomly in the air like a ninja on drugs. oh wait that's linuxmce

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mediabuntu:

lmaoooooo

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mediabuntu:

i wonder if linuxmce is really as good as the features i never used, just seen a video

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justinh:

it's not

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mediabuntu:

ahh i thought as much, the facts its only ok crappy KDE

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bsdfox_:

linuxmce uses kde? lol

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bsdfox_:

wtf for

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KiSak:

meh ... mythbackend is crashing whenever it starts to record something (0.21)

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bsdfox_:

error?

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KiSak:

I don't know yet

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KiSak:

oh that's special

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KiSak:

2008-01–28 18:59:53.202 TVRec(3) Error: Need MPEG recorder, but compiled without MPEG support!

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roothorick:

someone forgot a USE flag :P

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Dillweed:

who's to say that his mythtv was installed on gentoo roothorick?

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KiSak:

I didn't expect for a critical use flag to suddenly be missing

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KiSak:

ivtv use flag?

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KiSak:

I did

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KiSak:

a while back

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KiSak:

I think

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Dillweed:

ah, i missed it.

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bsdfox_:

Dillweed: cause no one will compile ivtv/mythbackend without mpeg support :P

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Dillweed:

lol

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KiSak:

I've made so many references to package names and versions specific to gentoo

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mediabuntu:

juski seen this http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=o1luchujl2

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Dillweed:

looks like you are going to be recompiling it soon KiSak, eh? :)

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KiSak:

do I need to recompile just the recording backend or all backends that handle the video?

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KiSak:

I went and fired up mythtv-setup through cygwin

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KiSak:

that's a memory hog

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Dillweed:

why are u running windows as a frontend?

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KiSak:

it goes and renders a 2880x1200 screen

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KiSak:

because the server is headless

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bsdfox_:

KiSak: so?

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bsdfox_:

ssh/nx/vnc

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KiSak:

ssh

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justinh:

arrr yeah. just make another wicked background

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bsdfox_:

what does the server have to do with the frontend?

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justinh:

bang! and the tux is dead

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KiSak:

I needed mythtv-setup to tinker with the tuner card / add it

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justinh:

why did they have to pick such a fecking lame mascot?

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justinh:

it looks brainless

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KiSak:

anywho 2880x1200 mythtv-setup inflates cygwin to 195M

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KiSak:

(Xwin)

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Dillweed:

just use nx or vnc KiSak: both work much better

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justinh:

KiSak: cos mythtv scales all theme images to the current window size from 800x600 or 1280x720

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KiSak:

I only need X from that server once in a blue moon

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mediabuntu:

lol

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mediabuntu:

i know you gona like this

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justinh:

back in the day, scientific calculators couldn't rescale images on the fly

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mediabuntu:

http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=clwz5lhtnb

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justinh:

is it tux being torn apart by a dog?

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justinh:

oh f f s !

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mediabuntu:

!

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justinh:

how fat is the guy who owns that I wonder?

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mediabuntu:

he he bed bound

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justinh:

actually no – if the tv is on a robotic arm... bears no thinking about

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bsdfox_:

I'm still confused what he's using cygwin for?

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KiSak:

cygwin/X is used for a headless server I got

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Dillweed:

the coolness factor.

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Dillweed:

dude just use ssh

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KiSak:

it is through ssh

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Dillweed:

my putty ssh session takes up 4.5 megs.

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KiSak:

so?

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bsdfox_:

why don't you use NX or vnc

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KiSak:

that's normal

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bsdfox_:

it doesn't really matter anyway

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Dillweed:

ssh memory over cygwin/x FTW

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KiSak:

why use NX or vnc when X forwarding works well enough for the once-in-three-months that I need it for

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bsdfox_:

cause it's way easier and lighter than cygwin :P

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Dillweed:

because you need to get use to the CLI, hehe.

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KiSak:

oh bah humbug

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** KiSak swats Dillweed **

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Dillweed:

lol.

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justinh:

svn revert background.png

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justinh:

bum

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Aval0n:

anyone know how to force a program that uses a specified port to use something else?

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Aval0n:

like some sort of wrapper?

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Aval0n:

my isp blocks port 3784 and ventrilo will ONLY run on that port.

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KiSak:

you could switch it on a router

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KiSak:

port forwarding

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Aval0n:

justinh: hey you probably already know this, but on blootube-wide under videos when you get to the info page it is truncating the movie poster images on the router

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Dillweed:

I'm pretty sure you can change the port on ventrilo. or go through a proxy.

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Aval0n:

port forwarding just forwards the ports

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Aval0n:

not reassigns

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Aval0n:

you can't change it on vent

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Aval0n:

it's hard coded, you have to by pro to change ports because they think you want to run multiple copies

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Dillweed:

are you sure? I thought you can.

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Dillweed:

how come everybodies ventrilo server has different ports then?

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Aval0n:

they are buying them

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Aval0n:

or renting

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Aval0n:

so it is the pro version

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niter3:

hate to ask thsi guys. Any plans on releasing a new interface for mythtv? Something like vista Mce?

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KiSak:

move along niter3

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justinh:

niter3: any plans on submitting patches to make a new interface?

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niter3:

I'm sorry but Vista has done an excellent job on the interface. Are we going to see anything like this?

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KiSak:

niter3: any official windows mythtv interface needs to exist before a pretty mythtv frontend

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GreyFoxx:

niter3: There is a win32 port going on, but it's the same interface

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GreyFoxx:

recordings/livetv works in the port and mythvideo

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justinh:

I'll probably get called really bad names for saying this but... coming out with general sweeping, very vague feature requests is not going to change anything, nor will it motivate anybody to change anything

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GreyFoxx:

not sure other than that how far along they've gotten since Ilast used it

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Dillweed:

Aval0n- use TS then.

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KiSak:

GreyFoxx: does the port have a page?

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justinh:

a new ui is being worked on right now but it's a _h_u_g_e_ job

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Aval0n:

TS?

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KiSak:

teamspeak?

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Aval0n:

ahh

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GreyFoxx:

KiSak: There is something in the wiki including compile instructions/scripts

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niter3:

GreyFoxx: I perfer to keep running linux but the interface has really improved on Vista. To be honest, the only thing holding me back is their DRM issues.

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GreyFoxx:

niter3: personally I find vista ugly

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niter3:

Plus they have streaming for tvtonic etc.

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GreyFoxx:

but to each their own

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niter3:

One thing that grabs my attention is the small preview window of live tv when browsing through the menus. Mythtv has nothing like this..

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GreyFoxx:

niter3: That's likely not gonna be that far away

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niter3:

GreyFoxx: Oh?

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GreyFoxx:

suppoort has been added to do it for music already

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directhex:

didn't justinh do a mockup of background playback during menu browsing?

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justinh:

directhex: I did a mockup yeah

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GreyFoxx:

niter3: certainly not in time for 0.21 though

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niter3:

when is the next release of myth? Any interface changes?

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niter3:

Don't get me wrong I strongly support the open source community

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GreyFoxx:

niter3: likely feature freeze in the next couple weeks

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GreyFoxx:

then about a month of just bug fixes

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justinh:

niter3: no interface changes you can put your finger on

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niter3:

GreyFoxx: feature freeze? What do you mean?

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justinh:

niter3: feature freeze – no more new features or changes to features

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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justinh:

i.e. concentrating on working out bugs in preparation for the release

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GreyFoxx:

no adding new features 2 days before release :)

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gbee:

niter3: that means no new features will be added to the development version so that developer time can be spent finding/fixing bugs in existing stuff

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Aval0n:

justinh: did you see what I said before about blootube-wide?

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gbee:

prior to release

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justinh:

omfg what have they done? http://youtube.com/watch?v=udIkbllcigs

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niter3:

So is their an upcoming release?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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niter3:

Is there a change log somewhere I can look at?

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gbee:

well that's what you get when you employ a couple of hundred (or more) programmers full time

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justinh:

whats with all the tiny tiny text in the menus?

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GreyFoxx:

niter3: the svn log which will be many thousands of commits

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GreyFoxx:

there is arelease notes in the wiki

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GreyFoxx:

but it's a thousand commits behind current

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gbee:

I think mythtv is doing pretty well with just 15~ spare time developers

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GreyFoxx:

literally

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KiSak:

lalala lalalalala lalala lalalalalalalalala

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niter3:

GreyFoxx: okay i'm going to check it out.

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justinh:

gbee: esp. considering the wage packet you get

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gbee:

justinh: not really designed for a TV is it?

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KiSak:

how long will this compile take?

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justinh:

gbee: doesn't look very 10 foot to my eyes

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GreyFoxx:

niter3: It's likely gonna get a lot of updates (the release notes) soon:)

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GreyFoxx:

multirec and all the other stuff needs to be documented in there

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justinh:

looks like they lost their way & forgot what it's about

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gbee:

well I've never really thought of MCE as being for TVs anyway

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niter3:

GreyFoxx: Are we talking about the timeline?

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justinh:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ipglJVFLlE8 shows the EPG. teeny tiny text & a load of wasted space

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GreyFoxx:

niter. no I'm talking about the release notes

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gbee:

niter3: the release notes are way out of date, so be warned that what is listed there isn't a complete list of changes which will appear in 0.21

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niter3:

found them

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gbee:

barely covers it really

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niter3:

I can understand all this is partime development work, but i'm thinking the next release should have concentration on transitions/preview of tv/music while browsing through the entire menus.

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justinh:

niter3: should have? who's writing the code?

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niter3:

I would love to help write for you guys

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directhex:

niter3, then get to work. svn is that way -->

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niter3:

However, I'm no developer

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niter3:

:)

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gbee:

of course there are new themes around too, http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/glasswide.shtml, http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html, http://jmeyer.us/e107_plugins/autogallery/aut . . . idnight-blue

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justinh:

niter3: I can't code. never stops me having a go :)

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KiSak:

justinh: nice

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niter3:

justinh: I wouldn't even know where to begin. :)

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gbee:

there are always things that non-coders can do, not least reporting bugs (don't assume that someone else will do it)

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justinh:

niter3: other than the 'keeping up with the Joneses' factor I don't honestly think UI bling is all that important

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niter3:

gbee: Well I would love to help out

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gbee:

themes, translations etc

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justinh:

documentation. oh hell docs for 0.21 haven't even begun yet

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niter3:

justinh: I strongly disagree. A lot of users are attracted to the looks of something like this.

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justinh:

input groups, anybody?

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justinh:

niter3: I'm not in this game to attract anybody to anything, and few people I know are either

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KiSak:

input groups? you want to jack me in?

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gbee:

niter3: that's the misconception though, we aren't looking to attract users

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niter3:

The only problem is, to change the interface would have to involve redoing the entire frontend no?

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niter3:

gbee: Why wouldn't you be?

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justinh:

niter3: there's a new, very powerful ui library coming. just that 95% of mythtv needs to be made to use it

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KiSak:

niter3: mythtv is not for-profit, not for-fame

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gbee:

what benefit would it bring us? We aren't in business, nobody pays us and it's more likely to bring us grief in the form of users demanding support

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niter3:

Which I understand.

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niter3:

Well I woldn't mind getting involved if I could be of some help. I just need a direction to follow.

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niter3:

I'll be back though guys..

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gbee:

people have to accept mythtv as it is or be prepared to roll up their sleeves and get involved

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niter3:

i'll ttyl

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justinh:

from what I gathered earlier, merely porting the rest of the app to mythui isn't gonna be enough on its own ;)

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gbee:

justinh: it's a significant start, once it's done then plugging in new animations etc will be easier

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justinh:

I'm a tad more excited by mythui than I once was, but still feel indifferent about animations

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KiSak:

I'm more excited about mythui than I was yesterday

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KiSak:

yesterday I had never heard of it

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justinh:

that zoomfade of MCE's is kindof impressive 1st time you see it, then you think about seeing it all the time... :(

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gbee:

even the basic stuff that mythui is going to enable will bring changes to mythtv that I think everyone can get excited about

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directhex:

movement is visually easier to track than suddent changes

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justinh:

allegedly

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gbee:

really different themes, layouts and behaviour for a start

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justinh:

tried playing sonic on a DS directhex ?

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directhex:

justinh, yes. the screen's too small, and the dual screen thing doesn't work when he's hiding in the hinge

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KiSak:

justinh: try following a speed run for sonic advanced?

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justinh:

a balance has to be struck between bling bling & usability. some get it very wrong. MCE for one

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justinh:

I really like MCE's take on the program finder though

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roothorick:

is it possible to set up my computer so it goes into a standby or STR state, and then wakes up when it's supposed to record?

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directhex:

roothorick, maybe. depends on how dumb your bios is

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gbee:

just a shame that the mythui port isn't going to be complete for 0.21

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roothorick:

directhex: elaborate

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justinh:

roothorick: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ACPI_Wakeup

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gbee:

I could go all out and maybe get 1/3 done, but no-one is going to let me make such a major change so close to the next release :)

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justinh:

gbee: tbh it's not just a port though is it? it's a real chance to change a lot of things & one that should (IMHO) be picked over carefully

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roothorick:

justinh: many thanks

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gbee:

justinh: no, it's not really a port and I never intended to treat it like one, even though I have done (to criticism) for those two plugins

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gbee:

I only rushed those two through fast because people had been asking for some examples to work from

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roothorick:

justinh: btw, that's from complete poweroff. I want to go from standby or STR so that the tuner card (and its iR sensor) is still active so I can use the power button on my tuner's remote

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justinh:

roothorick: you can't

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roothorick:

:(

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justinh:

roothorick: if a system is suspended lirc ain't gonna work

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roothorick:

justinh: so unless I can get the card to wake the system directly through some kind of hardware interrupt, I'm SOL?

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roothorick:

I have an idea

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justinh:

roothorick: unless you change the remote to one which can wake up the box..

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justinh:

gbee: guilty! (me)

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roothorick:

I think the card will generate an interrupt when the power button is pressed

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roothorick:

PCI is still active, correct?

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justinh:

depends on the board to a large extent

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roothorick:

...wait a tic!

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justinh:

not sure +5V standby goes to the bus

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gbee:

justinh: nah, you weren't the only one, I've had a lot of people ask and the increased mailling list traffic about creating new plugins etc

[01:00:01]

roothorick:

justinh: my BIOS has a "PowerOn by PCI Card" option

[01:00:03]

roothorick:

will play around

[01:00:34]

justinh:

gbee: speaking of new plugins.. maybe there should be a set of guidelines for usability now too. confusing navigation out, etc ;)

[01:00:46]

justinh:

I know it should go without saying but..

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directhex:

justinh, "if in doubt, add a config screen"

[01:00:54]

justinh:

look what happened with mythweather

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gbee:

justinh: no it's a good point and should be added to the mythui conversion guide that I started

[01:02:19]

justinh:

consistent key actions, navigation along similar lines to what's already done – that isn't to say that everything is perfect but the majority of us are used to how it works

[01:02:51]

directhex:

mytharchive has a funny attitude to key bindings...

[01:03:07]

KiSak:

does mythweather work in 0.21?

[01:04:13]

justinh:

and aside from the fact I don't know what goes on on 'the list' I think the project could benefit from some kind of developer symposium. it's not a democracy but maybe if more things had input from more people (the right people) fewer mistakes would be made. </ramble>

[01:05:19]

justinh:

wow. been a day of rants today and all I churned out was a plasma-ish select bar

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justinh:

gbee: btw I'm gonna have a damn good stab at turning mythappearance into a not-plugin this week

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GreyFoxx:

I think everyone should gather in Vegas for a long weekend :)

[01:06:59]

** justinh votes for that **

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GreyFoxx:

I'd be there for sure :)

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gbee:

KiSak: works, but the settings UI needs serious work

[01:07:27]

justinh:

we could hold the mythtv widows convention in parallel with it

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: hehe

[01:07:55]

justinh:

commits? when are you going to commit to me?!

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justinh:

"yeah yeah"

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justinh:

gbee: I was gonna have a go at documenting mythweather but i couldn't remember how I got it to work in the end

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justinh:

anyway re mythappearance.. thinking about a 'launch wizard' button on the existing appearance page if that's going to be possible

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gbee:

justinh: well the plan was that I'd sort it out before 0.21, but I really don't know if I'll get it done

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justinh:

I'll have a good go. least I can do :)

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gbee:

justinh: sounds good

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justinh:

what's the worst that can happen? svn revert, that's what

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justinh:

wonder when I went from "muh muh muh can't code won't even try" to "muh muh muh this is too hard, oh man what have I got into here?"

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SerajewelKS:

is there a frontend for mythtv that will display tv in a resizable window?

[01:12:02]

KiSak:

justinh: about 10 minutes ago apparently

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: nope. not for linux. not a frontend in the sense of it being a mythfrontend

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roothorick:

haha

[01:12:06]

roothorick:

stupid me

[01:12:17]

roothorick:

okay, how do I set up an analog/digital combo card in mythtv 0.20.2?

[01:12:38]

justinh:

roothorick: oh you didn't.. oh boy

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm I wonder if there would be much interest in a real vegas type gathering+code fest

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roothorick:

I tried making them two separate cards

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roothorick:

things kinda blew up then

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: poo

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: kinda tricky because of the way myth is designed & the way it works now

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gbee:

SerajewelKS: can just playback the video in xine/mplayer/kaffeine/vlc if you want using a network share to access the files, but no proper frontend allows resizable video windows

[01:13:24]

SerajewelKS:

ok wtf, i walk away from my box for an hour and now trying to run mythfrontend: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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SerajewelKS:

gbee: well i mean for live tv

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gbee:

mythfrontend is designed for use on a TV or dedicated monitor primarily, you can display it in a window, but resizeable isn't currently supported

[01:14:27]

justinh:

SerajewelKS: maybe if (or when) we ever scale all the theme images & fonts on the fly. maybe then. until then it's a nonoonoo

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justinh:

something else that could do with being looked into at some point if anybody cares to

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Daviey:

Baby jesus weeps at the idea of using mythtv non full screen

[01:15:47]

roothorick:

hmmmm

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roothorick:

whatever that channel is, MythTV didn't like it

[01:15:56]

directhex:

Daviey, you never have th tv on but spend attention on something else like reading a book?

[01:15:56]

justinh:

Daviey: could have its advantages not everybody uses mythfrontend fullscreen all the time

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KiSak:

you made my savior cry </sing>

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gbee:

there simply isn't enough time in the universe for the mythtv devs to look at every issue themselves (regular contributors are thin on the ground)

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Daviey:

justinh: meh – those people aren't worthy of mythfrontend IMO

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roothorick:

yay!

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justinh:

to get a drag to resize window thing going on with mythfrontend you need to do away with the need to prescale all the images & do it when they're drawn instead. BIG job

[01:17:00]

roothorick:

this card works in both digital and analog in linux

[01:17:14]

roothorick:

now the problem is getting both sides of the card into the MythTV config and being able to switch between them seamlessly

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roothorick:

how do I get that going?

[01:17:44]

justinh:

roothorick: if myth is aware of your card you can add a sub-card to it

[01:17:54]

roothorick:

justinh: how do I do that?

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justinh:

AFAIK that's how those hybrids are supposed to go

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gbee:

not just a big job, requires CPU (rescaling images on the fly can add seconds to load times, which is why we prescale)

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Daviey:

roothorick: exhausted google?

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roothorick:

Daviey: the manual says something, but I can't find what it's talking about

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justinh:

roothorick: add the digital part first AFAIK. if an option appears for the other part you're in business

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gbee:

maybe with QT4s SVG support ... but I'm not sure even then that scaling would be any faster

[01:18:51]

roothorick:

...why did Myth lose keyboard focus when nothing else was running?

[01:18:54]

justinh:

gbee: maybe qt's image scaling is just too slow

[01:19:13]

directhex:

roothorick, what WM are you using?

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roothorick:

directhex: ratpoison

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gbee:

justinh: possibly

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justinh:

gbee: I always kinda figured that usingthe opengl painter you'd just give it a texture & tell it where, what angle & how big

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directhex:

justinh, agreed!

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roothorick:

justinh: the option doesn't appear

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SerajewelKS:

directhex: hey, you're here too!

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justinh:

roothorick: so make a decision. where do you want to go today? analogtown or digitalville?

[01:20:38]

directhex:

i'm down in a well, now i'm up in a tree

[01:20:41]

gbee:

justinh: I don't think we're taking full advantage of open, that's for sure but I've no clue what is actually possible

[01:20:45]

directhex:

i am directhex and you can't catch me

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gbee:

anyway, bed time

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justinh:

gbee: when a theme image has a <staticsize> attribute does it get prescaled to that size or drawn on the fly ?

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directhex:

gbee, a lot. opengl is wubbly if you get into it

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Daviey:

gbee: I'll join you, nn all

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roothorick:

justinh: you mean I can't have it configured for seamless transition between analog and digital?

[01:21:19]

justinh:

roothorick: dont think so, no

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justinh:

hybrid tuners are a waste of time IMHO. I've said that for ages & will continue to do so

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roothorick:

justinh: is it because my Myth is too old or because that's not supported with V4L DVB devices yet?

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SerajewelKS:

gbee: for example, if you were to call glScale2(0.5f, 0.5f) then everything you do afterwards is drawn half as big

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gbee:

justinh: staticsize is evil, no prescaling that I remember

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SerajewelKS:

glScale2f rather

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justinh:

gbee: just citing that as a possibility that realtime won't be too slow. needs testing. needs people! not important enough though ;)

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KiSak:

this compile time is painful

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directhex:

bedtime!

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justinh:

yes mother

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roothorick:

justinh: btw, fwiw, all brick-and-mortar stores sell is hybrid tuners

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gbee:

KiSak: install ccache so it will only take 5 minutes next time

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KiSak:

gbee: that's an overstatement

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SerajewelKS:

hybrid meaning both analog and digital?

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justinh:

roothorick: does that make them any less of a waste of time?

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directhex:

roothorick, DDTT

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KiSak:

and most of my boxes have ccache

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roothorick:

directhex: what?

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justinh:

if it means paying extra, don't !

[01:24:06]

directhex:

Don't Do That Then

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roothorick:

*sigh*

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roothorick:

this card cost me as much as your average digital-only card

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roothorick:

I'm not complaining

[01:24:52]

justinh:

anyway you're always going to end up in a predicament where you want to record another thing on the other source at the same time

[01:24:59]

justinh:

sod's law

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roothorick:

not really

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iamlindoro:

Except the analog is *always* a waste of time on digital cards

[01:25:04]

roothorick:

for now anyway

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justinh:

roothorick: yeah I was happy with one tuner. for like about 2 weeks

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roothorick:

justinh: I'll need a new motherboard before I can add another tuner

[01:25:37]

roothorick:

only two PCI slots, and the soundcard can't go

[01:25:42]

justinh:

now with three.. still not enough. need multirec

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justinh:

go digital audio. no need for poncy soundcards then

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iamlindoro:

HVR-1800 is the only thing that remotely fits the bill-- and that's not hybrid, it's discrete tuners

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roothorick:

justinh: that's what the soundcard is for. Digital out.

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justinh:

wow how old is the motherboard not to have onboard with spdif?

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roothorick:

it's so old it can't drive the Tbird that's in it at its full clock

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SerajewelKS:

i don't watch enough tv to justify having two tuners

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justinh:

lol roothorick

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roothorick:

VIA KT133 based

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roothorick:

not 133A. The original.

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roothorick:

be afraid. Be very afraid.

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iamlindoro:

oh right, you were the guy who spent $400 on equipment to put on his T-bird, right?

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roothorick:

more like I was considering it

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: my wife does. oh boy. 3 hours tonight, whittled down to 2.25 hours by timecompression ;)

[01:28:02]

KiSak:

time compression?

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Klowner_:

anyone have any ideas why ripping a DVD with dvdrip takes about 15 minutes, but the DVD Import thing in Myth is reporting 850 hours remaining?

[01:28:03]

justinh:

roothorick: my dev box is a Via kt133.. some RAID thing or other. also not the A version

[01:28:19]

roothorick:

justinh: don't you enjoy the broken PCI bus?

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justinh:

KiSak: playing recordings fast but keeping the audio normal pitch

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justinh:

roothorick: that box had 3 tuners & was a very capable backend for a long time

[01:28:57]

roothorick:

justinh: wow. Were you rebooting it every few hours or something?

[01:29:01]

justinh:

nope

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directhex:

the kt133 has that happy shiny ide bus bug where it'll hard lock if you transfer a file over 512 meg from one channel to the other

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justinh:

longest uptime of any backend I've had actually

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roothorick:

directhex: it has more issues than that. The PCI bus will gradually slow down and lock up if certain cards are present, including most nV based videocards

[01:29:37]

justinh:

directhex: not in my experience but then I never used the RAID IDE on there

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KiSak:

I got 100 some days out of my bt878 box

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justinh:

oo dapper has been up 60 days now

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directhex:

my BE is stable since i switched to tg3 from sky2 for networking

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justinh:

tg3 ?

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directhex:

Broadcom Tigon3 ethernet driver

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roothorick:

my father may have a P4 3.2Ghz rig in store for me

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justinh:

ah

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KiSak:

*twitch*

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directhex:

the onboard networking on the board is hellishly unstable, to the point of uselessmess

[01:30:48]

roothorick:

yes, probably a PresHot

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roothorick:

haha

[01:30:51]

justinh:

still haven't decided the fate of my old epia frontend yet

[01:30:51]

directhex:

multiple hard locks per day

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directhex:

modinfo sky2

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directhex:

bah

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roothorick:

justinh: Sell it to me? Make me an offer

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directhex:

right. bedtime, fo' realz

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KiSak:

I'd take a 3c905 any day over a broadcom

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justinh:

roothorick: wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy for use as a frontend. they're that bad

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roothorick:

justinh: gotta be better than this KT133 in an arse old generic case=

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justinh:

roothorick: nah you're alright

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directhex:

KiSak, generally, so would i. but 1) the 905 is pci, i lack pci slots. 2) the 905 is 10/100, i need gige

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roothorick:

haha

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roothorick:

I have a 3c905 ISA somewhere

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roothorick:

not kidding

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justinh:

bound to be some chump I can fleece on ebay. have to pay for a flight to Vegas

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fryfrog:

roothorick: i think you mean 509

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fryfrog:

those were the ISA cards

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roothorick:

oh, right, yeah

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KiSak:

I have 3 or 4 509's ISA in the graveyard

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fryfrog:

I have a bunch of those somewhere, I think :)

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KiSak:

out of over a dozen

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justinh:

whah £370 return.. from?! not bad

[01:33:20]

fryfrog:

I think I might have rescued like 10 or more from old PCs when they tossed them.

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roothorick:

I had a stack of ethernet cards my dad pulled out of a dumpster

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roothorick:

about 20 of them

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directhex:

i spent actual money on a pcie1x ethernet card, so bad was the onboard networking

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roothorick:

all some variant of Intel PRO/100

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fryfrog:

They were *great* for built from old p100 type routers

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roothorick:

mostly S+'s

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fryfrog:

directhex: wow, who makes pci-e nics?

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directhex:

fryfrog, hp, in this case

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fryfrog:

and what chipset are they based on?

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justinh:

old machines as routers? will somebody think of the planet?!

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roothorick:

fryfrog: you need pcie for 10gigE

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directhex:

fryfrog, tg3, in this case

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fryfrog:

ah

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KiSak:

there are pcie tv tuners now too

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SerajewelKS:

fryfrog: somebody has to, mobos are abandoning PCI

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fryfrog:

and the crappy built in?

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directhex:

fryfrog, remember all onboard ethernet these days is pcie logic

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fryfrog:

ah, neat

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justinh:

KiSak: yeh but how many worky in loonix? 0

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directhex:

fryfrog, sky2 was the flawed onboard, which is pcie

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fryfrog:

i'd heard about pci-e tv tuners (one of the first, i think? minus graphics of course)

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fryfrog:

directhex: ah, i think i have a sky2 that sucks onboard :/

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KiSak:

justinh: you gonna get ontop of that situation?

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justinh:

KiSak: am I shite

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fryfrog:

directhex: fortunatly, it *also* had a nvidia based built in

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directhex:

sky2, tg3, bnx2, there are a few pcie network interfaces

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roothorick:

justinh: it's hard to say what would make more of an impact, tossing those machines and their (supposedly) leadened hard drives, or running them 24/7 as routers

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Kazan:

Hauppauge HVR-1800 is PCI-E

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justinh:

I fiddle with mythtv code & scribble graphics some say are mighty purdy, but driver code?! rofl

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directhex:

fryfrog, sky2 failure or success is determined by the bios. buggy bios, bugged ethernet

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fryfrog:

yup, eth0 using forcedeth and eth1 sky2 :/

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directhex:

fryfrog, my mac ni the office is rock solid and uses sky2

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fryfrog:

directhex: lame :/

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justinh:

when I saw fiddle I generally mean mess about til it compiles then mess about some more til it no longer segfaults

[01:35:59]

KiSak:

forcedeth has got to be the funniest networking module name

[01:36:05]

fryfrog:

my sky2 was flakey, i specifically remember dealing with it :/

[01:36:07]

fryfrog:

i concur :0

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justinh:

s/saw/say

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fryfrog:

it'd just like... spontaniously decide to stop dealing with network traffic or something

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KiSak:

ah ... a coffee break

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justinh:

sky2 you say? got that on my current frontend. no complaints so far

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directhex:

justinh, like i said, it's all bios-dependent

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justinh:

ow that reminds me... still not updated my FE BIOS yet

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justinh:

was gonna do that before xmas

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directhex:

BED FFS

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KiSak:

you're a little late

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justinh:

KiSak: just a bit

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KiSak:

finally ... the compile is finishing

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bear:

I am having trouble getting mame to work with mythtv

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bear:

can anyone help?

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bear:

scan games doesn't respond

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Klowner:

this is frustrating, dvd::rip rips at 200fps, it's a core duo box and it's nice and fast

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bear:

i get the same speed on a core duo

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Klowner:

a 45min track from a dvd can't possibly take >40 hours

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bear:

oh

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bear:

i get about twenty minutes

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bear:

for a movie

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Klowner:

yah, 20 min would be good

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bear:

do you have decss support installed?

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Klowner:

it plays the dvds fine, so it must be

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tgm4883_laptop:

Has anyone been able to get a mceusb2 blaster working with 2 seperate devices? I have it setup, but every time I test it, both blasters blast at the same time

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SerajewelKS:

haha

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SerajewelKS:

i'm watching the state of the union and i saw one congressman shaking hands... there was this arab-looking guy who streched out his hand to shake it and the guy shakes all the hands around his and moves on

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SerajewelKS:

the look on the guy's face went from "hey i get to shake this guy's hand" to "what the fuck?"

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SerajewelKS:

just as the camera cut

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MoeGreen:

how many shows can myth record at once? 1?

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GreyFoxx:

how many tuners you got ?

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tgm4883_laptop:

MoeGreen, that would depend on how many tuners you have

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GreyFoxx:

and if you use recent svn and have dvb cards you can recore multiple for each tuner

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GreyFoxx:

I can do 8 at once of a single dvb card here

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GreyFoxx:

plus my firewire stb, and 3 pvr cards

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Klowner:

state of the funyun address?

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SerajewelKS:

ok mythtv is telling me that i'm recording something and that i need to use the playback menu if i want to watch it

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SerajewelKS:

but it's not listed in the playback menu

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GreyFoxx:

myth will also support slave backends if you run out of pci slots; )

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GreyFoxx:

sere: From Watch recordings, hit M(Menu). Click Change recording group

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GreyFoxx:

then pick all programs

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SerajewelKS:

i'm already looking at "all programs"

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SerajewelKS:

and there is no "change recording group" on the M menu

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SerajewelKS:

oh wait

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SerajewelKS:

"change group filter"

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SerajewelKS:

there it is

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MoeGreen:

i just have a pvr 150

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GreyFoxx:

MoeGreen: Then 1 at a time

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GreyFoxx:

unless you install an additional tuner

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MoeGreen:

ok cool. thx for the info

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billshovel:

GreyFoxx: I want to schedule the recording of one show to end after the next starts (on the same channel). Is the svn version smart enough to realize there isn't *really* a clash and record both the programs using the one card?

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GreyFoxx:

billytwowilly: honestly I don't know as I've never tried that

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billshovel:

GreyFox: "8 at once of a single dvb card" – do you mean 8 multiplexes of the same dvb channel?

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SerajewelKS:

i must say, in all my experience using video software on linux

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SerajewelKS:

mythtv seems like a really solid one

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SerajewelKS:

it doesn't feel solid at first (the setup app segfaulted a lot for me)

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SerajewelKS:

but the backend seems pretty robust

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billytwowilly:

GreyFoxx: huh?

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GreyFoxx:

billytwowilly: No, 8 channels within the 1 multiplex

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GreyFoxx:

you'll only find 1 multiplex on each frequency

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GreyFoxx:

and within it several channels

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GreyFoxx:

multirec lets you record more than 1 of those channels on that multiplex at once

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billshovel:

GreyFoxx: will have to update my version then. :-)

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roothorick:

apparently my remote does not function through lircd

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roothorick:

but I can type numbers at the console using the remote

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billytwowilly:

GreyFoxx: I haven't said anything on here in ~two weeks.... You'll have to refresh my memory on what we were talking about.. or perhaps you're talking to the wrong person?

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roothorick:

anyone know if it's possible to get FM radio working on the Pinnacle PCTV HD?

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sshirley:

Hi everyone

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sshirley:

I am building a mythbuntu box and I was wondering if anyone can recommend the Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-500 MCE-Kit

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KiSak:

anyone _can_ recommend anything

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tank-man:

sshirley, go for it

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sshirley:

true. :-) but is it known to work well, i guess i should say. :-)

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tank-man:

I, Dr. Nick recommend it

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mkrufky:

sshirley: that pvr500 is known to work well

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mkrufky:

it is a dual hardware mpeg encoder based on the cx23416

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mkrufky:

well supported under linux

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sshirley:

thats good to know

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mkrufky:

MCE Kit just means that it has MCE-compatable IR

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mkrufky:

IMHO, you should buy the cheapest pvr500 kit you can find, because it's all the same under linux

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sshirley:

i got a great deal on a pc from dell. its refurbished but for $289 (with shipping) I got a 2.1 Ghz dual-core AMD x64, 2 gb RAM, 320gb HD, and dvd/rw. so i wanted to make sure i got a good encoder too

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mkrufky:

where do you live? aint it about time to join the digital age?

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** mkrufky is HD snob **

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iamlindoro:

That's on accountof mkrufky having access the all the cool toys ;)

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sshirley:

what hd cards are supported by mythtv? the wiki is kinda spare on it. if i get a hd card, it needs to support SD as well since i dont have a hd tv just yet

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mkrufky:

:-D

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mkrufky:

its not so much about HD — just being a digital tuner, can receive SD digital and HD digital transmissions

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mkrufky:

however, if you also want analog, then the pvr500 is a good idea — being able to encode 2 analog programs at once is nice

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mkrufky:

nice thing about mythtv is that it knows how to deal with many cards at once

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mkrufky:

but anyway, yes , mythtv works with HD too :-)

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sshirley:

the price difference between a non-mce and a mce pvr500 kit is about $50. That's about the cost of a decent remote control and receiver, right?

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KiSak:

what do I need to do to get .asx in mythweb 0.21 to work?

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mkrufky:

i know how the toys work — no idea how much they cost (hopefully somebody else will answer your question, sshirley)

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roothorick:

where do I set up remote bindings in Myth?

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iamlindoro:

sshirley: The mceusb remote is quite good, and works well... for that same 50 you could also get the SnapStream firefly, which is RF, and also quite good

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iamlindoro:

Both are well supported, but if working through walls is a thing for you, then get the snapstream... if you need the IR blaster (which the snapstream lacks) then get the MCE

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roothorick:

I want it to be dependent on mode, e.g. in menus, 4 on the remote is up, while it selects a channel by number when playing

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roothorick:

err, when watching live TV

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tank-man:

roothorick, are you looking for ~/.lircrc ?

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roothorick:

tank-man: not the same. I want Myth to interpret button presses differently for different situations

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tank-man:

i think you can edit some key presses in mythweb

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roothorick:

what about for Myth main menu / live TV?

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iamlindoro:

roothorick: http://www.myhdbox.com/mythtips/2006/04/tip-1 . . . -feature.php

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iamlindoro:

read re: contexts

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iamlindoro:

That article is old but all the steps still apply

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sshirley:

thanks for the info iamlindoro :-)

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iamlindoro:

sshirley: no problem

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sshirley:

has anyone used mythbuntu?

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roothorick:

err

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roothorick:

it's supposed to be in Utilities/Setup?

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iamlindoro:

yup

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iamlindoro:

"Edit Keys"

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roothorick:

it's not on my menu

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iamlindoro:

Looking at it right now, so I know it hasn't disappeared or anything :)

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clever:

mythcontrols needs to be installed

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roothorick:

aha!

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sshirley:

i have a really good book on mythtv that goes through compiling it. i'm a software developer, so compiling is never an issue for me. :-) but i would rather just install it. i assume that mythbuntu is so.

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roothorick:

Portage, I summon you!

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iamlindoro:

sshirley: yep... just a ready-to-roll distro

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iamlindoro:

trouble with Myth books is once they make it to press, they're out of date

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clever:

if you could staticly link mythtv

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clever:

then it would depend less on the system libs

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clever:

and you could include a mythtv version with the book

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clever:

and it work on a wider range of distros

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KiSak:

how hard is it to change master backends

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SerajewelKS:

what kind of box could mythtv be expected to run reasonably well on, as a dedicated dvr box

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jamesd:

compiling it makes it easy to fill another chapter and 30 pages of content in books and in the case of myth it makes it possible to say that "plug-ins" are outside of the realm of the book because they wasted 30 pages on compiling.

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SerajewelKS:

like what's the slowest processor it could run on comfortably

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GreyFoxx:

depends on what you are playing

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SerajewelKS:

options?

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jamesd:

SerajewelKS, depends on the video tuner...HD tv requires more cpu

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clever:

ive got SD playing semi ok on 400mhz

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GreyFoxx:

sdtv content can be done in 450–500mgz or so

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SerajewelKS:

GreyFoxx: HD

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SerajewelKS:

GreyFoxx: was the whole point of buying this tuner :)

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clever:

GreyFoxx: megagigahz?!?!

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GreyFoxx:

SerajewelKS: 2Ghz or better

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SerajewelKS:

haha yikes

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clever:

offloading some to the gpu thru xvmc may lower it somw

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clever:

some

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SerajewelKS:

right now i am running it on my desktop, a 2.8ghz dualcore amd64 box

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SerajewelKS:

and the only thing using the cpu is mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

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SerajewelKS:

yeah btw i did not mean run the frontend on the box

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SerajewelKS:

just the backend

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SerajewelKS:

keep recording in one spot and let me reboot my desktop without fux0ring my schedule

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro: i'm not that dense :)

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SerajewelKS:

mythfrontend is using 25% of one core

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SerajewelKS:

and yeah btw, mythtv is a good example of why dual-core kicks ass

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iamlindoro:

SerajewelKS: Didn't imply that you were... you just can't ask a question re: CPU needs in this room without getting 100 different responses, usually with 90 completely uninformed ones.

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro: yeah

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro: i lurk in #debian — i'm used to that kind of patronage :)

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iamlindoro:

Usually ones that don't qualify the HD codec or take into account bitrate... every time I hear "I can play 1080p on my Pentium III just *fine*" I want to throw somebody through a window

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roothorick:

oh christ!

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roothorick:

my remote is sending core keyboard events indistinguishable from real keyboard events

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SerajewelKS:

roothorick: sweet, can you type in IRC with it?

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iamlindoro:

SerajewelKS: Anyway, to answer your question, if it's backend only, you need very very little... Just a fast enough machine to keep up with the IO, really

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roothorick:

SerajewelKS: I don't have an IRC client on the box it's hooked up to

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roothorick:

anyway

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roothorick:

the button layout isn't how I want it to be

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro: nod. i assume you need somewhat of a beast if you want transcoding, but then only as much of a beast as you want.

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SerajewelKS:

roothorick: ah

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iamlindoro:

SerajewelKS: Because all you're really doing on the backend (with an ATSC tuner) is dumping the mpeg stream straight to the disk

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roothorick:

I certainly don't want Enter to return to the main menu

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iamlindoro:

SerajewelKS: exactly right

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro: and of course storage :)

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro: i have some ~900gb on my desktop so i think myth will live there for a while yet

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iamlindoro:

SerajewelKS: My primary is a huge beast, but it's also a frontend and I'm playing high bitrate 1080p, and doing lots of transcoding, etc

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iamlindoro:

SerajewelKS: But if you *just* wanted to do recording and commflagging, yeah, you could get away with very little

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roothorick:

I have a CX88 based capture card, how can I make the remote not generate keyboard events?

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SerajewelKS:

btw, just a suggestion, but if you go to watch TV and all the tuners are recording something

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SerajewelKS:

it might be nice to present a list of the shows being recorded and allow the user to jump right into one of them at the current point of recording

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iamlindoro:

SerajewelKS: I *believe* in SVN it now goes into the current recording

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SerajewelKS:

right now you have to go look through the recorded shows and find the one you want, open it, and seek to the end

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro: ah, nice

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iamlindoro:

but I seldom watch live TV

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro: i am using the package version 0.20.2.svn20071210–0.0 from the debian-multimedia repository, so it's a tad out of date

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iamlindoro:

I installed SVN at my folk's house, though, and I recall it doing so... They only have a single tuner but I expect it would just go to the highest priority tuner's recording if all were occupied

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iamlindoro:

SerajewelKS: To be honest, I can't recall when I last SVN up'ed over there... I have lots of tuners here so there's never an unavailable one

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iamlindoro:

I have more tuners than there is decent stuff to watch

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro: haha

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro: at $130 a pop, and being a college student who only watches like 1.5 hours a day (and that's being generous), i'll stick with one :)

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iamlindoro:

You're doing something wrong if you're paying $130

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro: pchdtv 5500

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iamlindoro:

With the exception of my first HD tuner, the HD 5500, I think the most I've paid is $80 or so

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stowaway-atwork:

hello

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro: honestly, i wanted something that i knew would work well with linux. my last capture card (some kworld POS) didn't work very well with linux.

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro: and when i saw that the 5500 worked well with myth and was very well supported on linux (they don't even support windows) i figured it was worth it

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iamlindoro:

SerajewelKS: I have a KWorld 110 and 115, they seem to work okay, but *did* need a tiny bit of cajoling... the 120 is unsupported so far.

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iamlindoro:

SerajewelKS: No judgment here, I had the same thoughts on my first card, and it's still my favorite

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro: i had to specify the module parameters for the kworld one — it wouldn't sense it (on 2.6.22)

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like a 115 ;)

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iamlindoro:

card=90?

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coddeer:

ok any one know why a P3 would LOCK UP when trying to play an mpeg?

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro: options saa7134 card=65 tuner=54

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coddeer:

rather watch a recorded show in myth

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SerajewelKS:

gah

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fryfrog:

air2pc is also like $120 (for qam support) and I have 2

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SerajewelKS:

i hate it when an interlaced station airs an ad that is either not interlaced or doubly so or whatever

[03:23:59]

SerajewelKS:

everything looks fine, then some ad has lines everywhere

[03:25:03]

SerajewelKS:

is there some reason why my tv output has a green line down the left side?

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stowaway-atwork:

Does Myth tv have a plugin (similar to my tv series) that organises ur downloaded tv shows into show – season – ep (Getting the info off the internet)

[03:25:14]

** iamlindoro wishes Comcast would finally add effing SCIFI HD to his lineup **

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iamlindoro:

stowaway-atwork: You have to organize them yourself, but I wrote a set of scripts that will handle downloading the plot details, generating thumbnails and correct length info, etc.

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iamlindoro:

I organize my shows in folders in MythVideo as Television Type -> Show name -> Season Number -> Files

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iamlindoro:

So, Television – Science Fiction/Torchwood/Season 2/Torchwood 2x01 – Blah blah blah

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stowaway-atwork:

ahh okay cool.

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iamlindoro:

And my scripts will insert all the relevant info into the database

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stowaway-atwork:

i havent installed it yet.

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stowaway-atwork:

I just wanted ot make sure it could do that b4 i did ;) i think willl give it a try on the weekend

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stowaway-atwork:

i use mediaportal currently.

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iamlindoro:

Ah well, for posterity, and for anyone else who has a lot of TV, you can read about and download my scripts at http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7077

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stowaway-atwork:

cool ill definetly look into it.. i have ALOT of tv thats for sure

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iamlindoro:

Now all my TV is sexily organized with thumbnails, correct length info, plot info, director, etc.

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iamlindoro:

Me too... at least a few hundred episodes... fewer these days since I had a major drive array crash, but still lots

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iamlindoro:

Actually, certainly in the thousands

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stowaway-atwork:

is mythtv really that stable?

[03:29:45]

iamlindoro:

stowaway-atwork: Meaning what? Yes, myth is exceptionally stable if set up properly.

[03:30:16]

iamlindoro:

some people managed to bungle things pretty good, but it is invariably their own fault for not reading or for making up steps in the howto, etc.

[03:30:31]

iamlindoro:

mostly assuming they know better

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roothorick:

looks like this remote can't possibly fit my purposes with current software

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iamlindoro:

stowaway-atwork: If you are new to myth or linux, and especially both, Start with MythBuntu is my suggestion

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stowaway-atwork:

meaning the reason i want to change from windows based to linux based is because everybody says its so stable. I run it on a dedicated media server undre my tv. so im sick of having to maintain it. i juts want ot install it. get it working and only ever add movies/tvshows to it. thats all.

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stowaway-atwork:

yeah i was going to start with ubuntu im told its easy

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iamlindoro:

stowaway-atwork: Definitely mythbuntu, then

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stowaway-atwork:

is there any avantages of not using ubuntu?

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stowaway-atwork:

is it faster?

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stowaway-atwork:

or something

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iamlindoro:

stowaway-atwork: Just be prepared to spend some time fiddling at first until you get up to speed... what ruins people's myth setups isn't ignorance, it's impatience

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coddeer:

any one here know if the SB0490 (usb Sound Blaster 24 bit Live) works well

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stowaway-atwork:

yeah, thats half the fun. ive fiddled with linux before. but only the basics. i ran redhat linux for about 6months like 6 years ago :)

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iamlindoro:

stowaway-atwork: People have familiarity with other distros and prefer to use them, some are tuned more for speed, etc... Mythbuntu is for you... don't get it confused with Ubuntu... Mythbuntu is based on Ubuntu, but is a distro in its own right

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stowaway-atwork:

ohh. so i would install debian. then install mythbuntu.. NOT install debian then instlal ubuntu then install mythbuntu ?

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iamlindoro:

stowaway-atwork: Can do the same things with Mythbuntu, but it comes pre-tweaked for myth and with a lot of handy setup tools to get you off to a good start. Also make sure you are choosing well supported hardware in linux

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iamlindoro:

stowaway-atwork: No

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iamlindoro:

stowaway-atwork: Just Mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

stowaway-atwork: no Debian/Ubuntu/Mythbuntu tomfoolery

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SerajewelKS:

i'll never understand how things can run at nice level 17 (e.g. myth transcoding) and still bog down my system

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iamlindoro:

Debian= its own distro, Ubuntu = its own distro, mythbuntu = its own distro.

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stowaway-atwork:

ohh okay.

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stowaway-atwork:

I thought ubuntu was the gui that ran on a distro of linux

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stowaway-atwork:

obviously im worng

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iamlindoro:

Think of Ubuntu as a "fork" of Debian, and mythbuntu as a "fork" of Ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

Mythbuntu's grandpappy is Debian... but baby daddy is Ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

But you will download a Mythbuntu ISO and install off of that

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stowaway-atwork:

okay cool :) i understand

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stowaway-atwork:

I want the i386 version right? (i got intel core duo puter)

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iamlindoro:

install 64 bit for a C2D, for best performance

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stowaway-atwork:

okay cool thanks

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iamlindoro:

there used to be some issues with 64 bit build, but I am happily 64 bit across the board

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iamlindoro:

It's been a *long* time since that was an issue

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stowaway-atwork:

it only says amd64 bit build.. no intel build

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iamlindoro:

I know it says that... it works :)

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stowaway-atwork:

cool thanxs

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iamlindoro:

Just a linux naming scheme that is silly and counterintuitive

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iamlindoro:

I have C2D's and C2Quads, and all the debian packages I make come out as _amd64, heh

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roothorick:

the remote that came with my tuner card doesn't have nav buttons (up/down/left/right/etc) on it. If I want to use this remote to navigate MythTV and still be able to dial channels by number, what do I do?

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iamlindoro:

I guess you can assign them to other stuff that isn't useful in that context, but ewwwwww... what kind fo tuner card remote doesn't have directionals?

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coddeer:

roothorick: bind keys...

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fryfrog:

... buy another one? :/

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coddeer:

AAA my frnt end crashed AGAIN!

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roothorick:

coddeer: Edit Keys won't let me change global keys on a per-context basis

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jamesd:

get a MS mce remote off ebay

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iamlindoro:

Heck, I have like a half dozen MCEUSB remotes, come on over to my house and I'll give you one

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coddeer:

roothorick: configure MODES in lirc?

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coddeer:

press "RED" button the numberes turn to arros.. press "YELLO" it turns to number

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roothorick:

coddeer: the remote sends keyboard events, and that can't be changed without directly modifying the kernel module's source

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coddeer:

roothorick, : but lirc has the capability of configureing MODE

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roothorick:

coddeer: it doesn't matter. When I press 4, 4 is sent as if it came from the keyboard, and LIRC can't do anything about it

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coddeer:

roothorick, : uhhh yes it can...

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iamlindoro:

It should be possible to compile that out of your kernel

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coddeer:

roothorick, unless you are not USINg lirc

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roothorick:

iamlindoro: without completely disabling any and all keyboard support? Not really.

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iamlindoro:

roothorick: Uhhh, sure it is

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roothorick:

coddeer: the remote doesn't use lirc, the driver sends keyboard codes directly

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stowaway-atwork:

okay, now once ive got all this installed. i currently have a full TB hdd with all my movies/tvshows ect. so its in fat32 or ntfs.. linux wont be able to read it will it?? Will i have to transfer it all to another harddrive, then copy it accross the network in order to import all files?

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iamlindoro:

since it would be an option in compiling your capture card i2c module

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coddeer:

roothorick-> LOL can you hijac the hid dev :-p

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coddeer:

cause with lirc you can use

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coddeer:

mode

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coddeer:

tells the program to enter a special mode. You can group several configurations by putting them into the following, where mode stands for the mode where these configurations should be active:

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roothorick:

iamlindoro: But this came from the DVB V4L SVN, not my kernel

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coddeer:

now WY does this stupid myth front end keep crashing

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SerajewelKS:

is "mythcommflag" the transcoding process?

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iamlindoro:

You're still compiling kernel modules with V4l SVN

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coddeer:

any one know if expernal sound cards and p3s dont mix

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iamlindoro:

SerajewelKS: No, mythtranscode is

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coddeer:

SerajewelKS, : commercial flaging

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roothorick:

iamlindoro: so do I have to circumvent portage to change options?

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iamlindoro:

stowaway-atwork: You can mount windows drives in linux... probably easiest to do a network mount with that

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SerajewelKS:

ahh

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SerajewelKS:

is it pretty accurate?

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iamlindoro:

SerajewelKS: Very accurate here, but very very location dependent

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iamlindoro:

I understand that it is much much worse in Europe, and certain locales in the US have it pretty bad too

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SerajewelKS:

well there were no ads during the state of the union

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SerajewelKS:

i'm more worried about it cutting out pieces of a show than missing an ad

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coddeer:

SerajewelKS, it only FLAGS them

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coddeer:

SerajewelKS, doesnt CUT them

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jamesd:

hmm i think i want the reverse for the state of the union... fill 2 hours of ads and it would be more entertaining and informative.

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iamlindoro:

SerajewelKS: By default, myth will only commflag, not remove them altogether... it's non-destructive

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stowaway-atwork:

so u dont think i should even both installing the tb into the media centre? just leave it on another computer.. that would mean i would have to always have 2 computers on.. I'd rather copy it to another computer and copy it across... unless i can mount it with no complications on the current computer

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SerajewelKS:

ah, good

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SerajewelKS:

i remember reading somewhere that transcoding can use those flags to strip the ads?

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iamlindoro:

SerajewelKS: Yes, it can be scripted to do so

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KiSak:

If you're a little nuts like me, you can build a script that will transcode the commercials out of the video

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iamlindoro:

check the wiki for "remove commercials"

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SerajewelKS:

k

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SerajewelKS:

and is there some indicator that shows up so i can verify that it marked them correctly?

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iamlindoro:

stowaway-atwork: If you are going to put it in the media center itself, it would be advisable for a few reasons to make it a linux fs type

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coddeer:

SerajewelKS: it just flags them, like chapters on a dvd

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iamlindoro:

SerajewelKS: You need to read the "everyday usage" section of the wiki to understand all this

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SerajewelKS:

ok

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coddeer:

arg. seems like playing an mpeg with mplayer crashes the computer too

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SerajewelKS:

probably a good idea anyway, it'll probably answer questions i didn't know i had

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stowaway-atwork:

okay.. ill worry about that when i finish the install :) thanks for ur help guys. im u'll be seeing ALOT of me for a few weeks..

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iamlindoro:

stowaway-atwork: Don't get mad when we get impatient if you don't read ;)

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SerajewelKS:

i love having the program schedule. it's a lot quicker to figure out there's nothing on.

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coddeer:

arg.....any one know how i can figure out why my front end freezes?

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iamlindoro:

SerajewelKS: Ain't that the truth... mythweb is actually the best quick-check myth interface

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roothorick:

apparently the Pinnacle HDTV PC card is better supported in Linux than it is in Windows... nothing but complaints on newegg

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jamesd:

roothorick, all the better... means cheaper and easier to find for the linux user :-)

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coddeer:

is there any problems in lastnights build of mythtv as far as crashing?

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KiSak:

well then ... that was a small, not so dirty hack

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roothorick:

jamesd: it's a solid digital tuner card with analog too

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roothorick:

and... hold on

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roothorick:

nope, no digital tuner

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roothorick:

blah

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roothorick:

I mean

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roothorick:

no MPEG encoder

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roothorick:

but anyway

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jamesd:

i haven't bothered to configure the analog part of my kworld 115, digital is just that awesome... debating getting a second one...

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roothorick:

digital/analog combo card with full Linux support for under $85

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roothorick:

once 2.6.25 rolls around that's gonna be a real boon

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baalsgate:

hi i have installed mythbuntu , this is not my first myth setup , but first time with a ubuntu distro ..

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baalsgate:

its not connecting to the backend for some reason , i have restarted mysql checked that its all pointing to local host but still not connecting

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SerajewelKS:

if i want to move my /var/lib/mythtv to another partition, which would be the better option? (1) mv it and symlink, (2) mv it and mount --bind, (3) mv it and change the dir in mythtv's configuratio

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SerajewelKS:

n

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baalsgate:

any people running mythbuntu that can give me a hand would be greatly apreciated

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cesman:

baalsgate: check your logs

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cesman:

your backend log

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cesman:

you can also try starting the backend in an xterm

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cesman:

I cannot say where Mythbuntu keeps it's logs as I don't use it

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cesman:

but I'd guess /var/log/mythtv

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baalsgate:

cesman yep have tried restarting the backend in xterm , its certainly running

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tjcarter:

cesman: that'd be a good guess

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** cesman knows a thing or two about Debian and MythTV ;) **

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iamlindoro:

baalsgate: He doesn't mean restart the service, he means start the executable, ie mythbackend -v most

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cesman:

baalsgate: the frontend isn't connecting to the backend?

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baalsgate:

ok the logs may have helped give me a min

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baalsgate:

ok yep , not sure why but the database was missing the local ip re run the setup and seemed to fix it , now connecting , yay ! getting there

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baalsgate:

thanks cesman

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SerajewelKS:

is it normal that the low/medium/high transcoding profiles are all identical by default?

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KiSak:

yes

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SerajewelKS:

what's the tradeoff between rtjpeg and mpeg4? the wiki doesn't really say.

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iamlindoro:

mpeg-4 is higher quality and the expense of steeper processor needs for playback (and, when used with frame gabbers, also more processor needed to encode)

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iamlindoro:

er at the expense

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iamlindoro:

in short, rtjpeg is the shittiest, mpeg-4 with framegrabbers in slightly less shitty, but at the end of the day they both suck because framegrabbers suck balls.

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SerajewelKS:

so what are my options for not burning disk space like a mofo

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iamlindoro:

At manageable bitrates, neither will take much space

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KiSak:

mpeg4 does fine with disk consumption

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KiSak:

set at 3000 KBps, an hour take 1.3GB and a little under 1GB once I transcode the commercials out

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SerajewelKS:

is the quality decent?

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KiSak:

it's alot better than 2200 KBps

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SerajewelKS:

haha

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KiSak:

also, that's for 640x480, not 480x480

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SerajewelKS:

you mean HD?

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KiSak:

SD

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SerajewelKS:

ah

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SerajewelKS:

mp3, oof. any plans to add vorbis support?

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KiSak:

I don't have HD

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SerajewelKS:

where is the data directory config value stored?

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SerajewelKS:

nm

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CCFL_Man2:

for the people here who get qam channels from the cable company, is any epg data included?

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SerajewelKS:

wtf: Starting MythTV server: mythbackend QSettings: error creating /root/.qt

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SerajewelKS:

why is it trying to create .qt there

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SerajewelKS:

huh, the path to that directory seems to be hardcoded

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SerajewelKS:

why the hell is mythcommflag running four instances

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SerajewelKS:

i don't have that many things recorded

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: how's life?

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RyeBrye:

its ok

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RyeBrye:

pretty busy

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kmyth:

any music visualisations in myth that don't suck?

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SerajewelKS:

this is weird crap

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SerajewelKS:

whenever i mark a show to be recorded, it says that each timeslot has four conflicts

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SerajewelKS:

with no explanation as to what exactly is conflicting

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SerajewelKS:

wtf

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Anduin:

SerajewelKS: You have an input associated with the lineup?

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SerajewelKS:

i should

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SerajewelKS:

i only have one input

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SerajewelKS:

it only seems to be happening with this one title

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SerajewelKS:

no, it's happening with every title

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SerajewelKS:

the hell

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SerajewelKS:

this makes no sense

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SerajewelKS:

in upcoming recordings it lists everything i've asked

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SerajewelKS:

all with four conflicts

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SerajewelKS:

but nothing conflicting

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roothorick:

something happened with your critical setup

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SerajewelKS:

critical setup?

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roothorick:

blah, whatever

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SerajewelKS:

no, i honestly don't know what you mean

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roothorick:

yeah, it was a really bizarre saying

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roothorick:

root around in mythtv-setup

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SerajewelKS:

i can't, i'm recording one of those conflicted things :)

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SerajewelKS:

any clues where i should poke though?

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SerajewelKS:

maybe rerun mythfilldatabase?

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roothorick:

what does EIT stand for anyway?

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htpc-tilt:

hi has anyone had any luck getting a windows media cente remote working with lirc? I am on my 2nd attempt

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Anduin:

htpc-tilt: Many, lsusb, and look if your device is supported by the lirc_mceusb or lirc_mceusb2 driver

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htpc-tilt:

Bus 004 Device 003: ID 1241:e000 Belkin

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htpc-tilt:

thats it

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htpc-tilt:

Anduin, how do I tell

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Anduin:

htpc-tilt: Are you sure that is it?

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htpc-tilt:

yep i unplugged it and plugged it back in and thats the only different line

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htpc-tilt:

in lsusb

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Anduin:

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-602922.html

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Anduin:

I don't see that id in the driver source though

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roothorick:

how well does MythTV cope with suspend to disk?

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tjcarter:

probably not too well

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tjcarter:

if only because a suspended backend can't record well

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roothorick:

what I'm thinking is

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roothorick:

have Myth suspend to disk instead of shutting down

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roothorick:

after setting wakeup alarm

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tjcarter:

interesting.

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roothorick:

suspend to RAM might be preferable

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tjcarter:

I suppose it'd depend

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roothorick:

power consumption isn't a concern here; however, noise is.

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tjcarter:

roothorick: ah, stopping HDs would do that.

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roothorick:

this machine has a noisy PSU

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roothorick:

and I'm not about to buy a new one

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tjcarter:

that's easily replaced =)

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roothorick:

killing the CPU fan would be nice too

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roothorick:

that's where I'm going with this

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tjcarter:

my goal for that is a diskless and almost fanless FE

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roothorick:

but STR requires quite a bit more than the standby voltage doesn't it?

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tjcarter:

I imagine PSU will have a small fan

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roothorick:

you can get fanless PSUs

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tjcarter:

and I may go with a very low speed massive CPU fan

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tjcarter:

er, well, PSU will have LARGE slow fan probably

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roothorick:

it's possible to do a truly fanless system

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roothorick:

fanless PSUs exist, fanless videocards exist, and fanless CPU heatsinks for even the hottest CPUs exist

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roothorick:

if your NB has a fan, you're SOL, because the fanless CPU heatsinks are far too large to allow for a large heatsink on the NB

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Dagmar:

Enh just sink the whole thing into freezing mineral oil

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iamlindoro__:

Gosh, if only someone had thought of this before... they could call it mythwelcome or something...

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iamlindoro__:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythwelcome

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roothorick:

iamlindoro__: that's actually more something to add on top of what I was thinking. Cool!

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roothorick:

first, I need to get ACPI wakeup working

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roothorick:

I'm starting to think this motherboard doesn't support ACPI wakeup

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roothorick:

aaaaaaand it didn't come back

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roothorick:

it looks like I'm going to be stuck with suspend to RAM whether I like it or not

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Dagmar:

So here's a fun question

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Dagmar:

What distro are you using?

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roothorick:

Gentoo

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Dagmar:

So did you bother to disable the script that stores the time in the hardware clock during shutdown?

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roothorick:

I set CLOCK_SYSTOHC to "no" in /etc/conf.d/clock

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Dagmar:

...because if the BIOS clock is written to at all after you set the wakeup time, the wakeup time gets reset/disabled.

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roothorick:

already ahead of you on that

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Dagmar:

k

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roothorick:

I disabled systohc as I already said

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Dagmar:

You hope you did anyway

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Dagmar:

Can you see what the wakeup time is set to in the BIOS?

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Dagmar:

Some boards you can

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roothorick:

I couldn't find any option related to wakeup time

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roothorick:

there was a resume time though

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roothorick:

and that never changed

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roothorick:

I'm trying nvram-wakeup

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roothorick:

don't have my hopes up though

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Dagmar:

Yeah it doesn't look good

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roothorick:

...wait, you have to reboot before the wakeup time is recognized?

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Dagmar:

Huh? no

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Dagmar:

The boards I've got that can do it will show you what it's set to

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Dagmar:

It just doesn't blow it away until you change the clock

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roothorick:

...holy crap!

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roothorick:

nvram-wakeup worked

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roothorick:

but required a reboot

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anykey_:

roothorick: what board are you using?

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roothorick:

ECS K7VZM

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roothorick:

the first motherboard I actually bought by itself

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anykey_:

hm, never heard of ECS ;)

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roothorick:

they're an el cheapo brand that's been in the business since the late P1 days

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roothorick:

whaddaya know, it doesn't need a reboot after all

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matt__:

can someone help me out? mythfrontend keeps making lircd crash

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justinh:

does irw make lircd crash too?

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matt__:

i believe so

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matt__:

hold on

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matt__:

yes

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matt__:

there use to be a /dev/lirc0 which is no longer there either

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matt__:

i'm not sure what happened, everything was fine for a while

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matt__:

even after reboot

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matt__:

justinh, any ideas?

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Dagmar:

So is the lirc kernel module loaded?

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matt__:

yes

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Dagmar:

Do you have a /dev/lirc* of any sort?

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matt__:

/dev/lircd

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roothorick:

grrrr!

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roothorick:

mythwelcome isn't in portage?

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Dagmar:

matt__: So you don't have an actual device then

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Dagmar:

The /dev/lircd entry is just a ppe

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matt__:

i dont know why it dissapeared

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Dagmar:

s/ppe/pipe/;

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matt__:

lirc_i2c 11268 0

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matt__:

lirc_dev 15860 1 lirc_i2c

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matt__:

i2c_core 26112 11 cx88xx,bttv,lirc_i2c,wm8775,cx25840,tuner,nvidia,i2c_viapro,ivtv,i2c_algo_bit,tv eeprom

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matt__:

that's the out put of lsmod | grep lirc

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Dagmar:

So I suggest you unload the module, start watching the syslog, and then load the module

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doc__:

hi there

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Dagmar:

Or, complain to whoever made your lirc package

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matt__:

lol

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matt__:

how do i load/unload the module?

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Dagmar:

You Google for "Basic Linux Tutorial"

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Dagmar:

I am not answering questions like that anymore

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Dagmar:

It's a waste of bloody time

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matt__:

sorry ;[

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matt__:

is it like kload kunload?

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roothorick:

oh, I'll be damned

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Dagmar:

So, again, I'm not answering questions like that

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Dagmar:

Period.

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matt__:

got it =]

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Dagmar:

If you can't be bothered to learn the least bit about LInux on your own, I damn well can't be bothered to read it to you like you're an infant.

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matt__:

it's cool

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matt__:

http://pastebin.ca/877033

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matt__:

that's the error i get from syslog

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indego:

Would here be the right place to talk through designing a MythTV box? Advice on setup, etc?

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matt__:

?

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DGnome:

indego: this is the user to user aupport channel so, everything myth is welcome (except or illegal stuffzorz)

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DGnome:

s/or/for

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Dagmar:

Or incredibly stupid questions like which end of the mouse goes in your outh

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Dagmar:

s/outh/mouth/;

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Dagmar:

Mainly it amounts to this...

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indego:

Dagmar, OK, I am a Linux sys admin so there should be none of that.

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Dagmar:

1. Any cheap-ass replacement IR remote from the store will work fine

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Dagmar:

2. ATI hates you. Use nVidia for video output.

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Dagmar:

3. Spend as much as you can on disks, you'll need it.

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Dagmar:

4. Framegrabbers (Brooktree-based cards) suck ass. Don't use them at any price.

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Dagmar:

Those are the four big pitfalls

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DGnome:

Dagmar here is a pro at straightening out newcomers :)

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DGnome:

indego: backend and frontend in the same box?

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indego:

I was thinking of a Via EPIA board with some MPEG capable TV card (PVR 150 / 350).

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indego:

Dagmar, yes.

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Dagmar:

That's sounding pretty good

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DGnome:

indego: any chance you could go 100% digital tv?

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Dagmar:

There's some dodgyness with the EPIA output, but I think those issues have been almost entirely ironed out now

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Dagmar:

Except the PVR-350 probably is the _least_ desirable output

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Dagmar:

Unless you've just got no room in the box for a video card, or no integrated output you can use, it's not a very useful card

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roothorick:

what if you have a TV that only takes RF?

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Dagmar:

A $20 nVidia FX with s-video will work better.

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Dagmar:

roothorick: Then you need to buy an RF modulator, or a new TV

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Dagmar:

I mean, if your TV only has RF input, then what the hell are you doing connecting $600-worth of computer to it?

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Dagmar:

Let's think about this

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roothorick:

actually

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roothorick:

my HTPC has maybe $300 worth of parts in it

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roothorick:

the most expensive component is probably the capture card

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Dagmar:

It's like those CRXs you see rolling around with twice their value in tacky chrome and custom fiberglass

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indego:

I was looking at the EPIA EX board, it has a full compliment of TV out stuff.

[08:46:34]

DGnome:

analog a/v-signals suck donkey dong in general

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Dagmar:

Or perhaps a Mustang with the "discount" tires from a used tire shop

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Dagmar:

indego: Yeah, there's a lot of folks who like it for that

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roothorick:

capture card was $80, sound card was $30

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roothorick:

motherboard is worth maybe $15

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indego:

That was one of my main questions, what is best for output on something like this, a beefed-up TV card or the box it's self.

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roothorick:

videocard... hmm. $5?

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Dagmar:

indego: The video output on most of the EPIA boards is actually quite usable

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roothorick:

so yeah, my MythTV box is pretty ghetto

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roothorick:

an Athlon Tbird in a KT133 based motherboard, sporting a GeForce 2. I can feel the speed!

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DGnome:

indego: I use nvidia gfx for s-video and DVI->HDMI output, no problems there

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indego:

Dagmar, re the digital. We have a apartemnt and the cable is in a central box out of reach, so we just get the analouge output.

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Dagmar:

What digital

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Dagmar:

I didn't ask about any digital

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Dagmar:

Cable in a box, what?

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indego:

Dagmar, sorry, it was DGnome .

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indego:

his comment was between 2 of yours...

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** indego may be a bit laggy as I am also trying / pretending to work... **

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Dagmar:

argh so many freaking things have changed in the themes

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Dagmar:

hAh I *am* working

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DGnome:

indego: so no go on the digital tv, I'll shed a tear for you then.

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indego:

DGnome, it may come. That is why I was thinking of getting a cheap PVR 150 card (under 100 euro) and then not being too upset at needing to change it in a year or two.

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roothorick:

heh

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roothorick:

there's digital cards that can be had for as little as 80USD

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roothorick:

not sure if there's an european version of the card I have, but it has full Linux support and was only $82 at a brick-and-mortar store

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roothorick:

correction, it's an analog/digital combo card

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DGnome:

indego: DVB-C pci fgoes for 59e, DVB-T pci goes for 50e :)

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indego:

So if I have this right, the EPIA EX (1 or 1.5Ghz) board with a PVR150 (other recomendations welcome) with 1GB RAM and maybe a 500GB SATA disk would be a nice system.

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DGnome:

indego: yes

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DGnome:

indego: but I'd go for a mATX amd dualcore solution

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DGnome:

indego: more future proof

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Dagmar:

1Gb is a bit overkill

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Dagmar:

Mainly aim for 256Mb per tuner

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directhex:

an epia system fails at "nice"

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DGnome:

Dagmar: no its not

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Dagmar:

DGnome: Yes, it is

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Dagmar:

Period.

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directhex:

since no matter what happens, you're pushing the cpu to its limits just for playback

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indego:

Dagmar, well there is snes9X and mame to consider.

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DGnome:

Dagmar: I have 1GB in a backend+frontend box and it's not enough.

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Dagmar:

You did something wrong.

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Dagmar:

Mem: 516564 332948 183616 0 13260 225732

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Dagmar:

That's from a machine with a PVR-500 in it

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Dagmar:

I got 183K just sitting around completely empty there

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DGnome:

Dagmar: and the more the kernel can cache stuff in RAM, the better

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Dagmar:

93K after cache/buffers are accounted for

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Dagmar:

DGnome: No, there's a point to which it becomes a waste of time

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Dagmar:

Running just the backend and a frontend and X doesn't require 1Gb of RAM

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DGnome:

Dagmar: and with todays ram-pricing, overkil is in

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Dagmar:

Feel free to look at the install docs

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Dagmar:

You can argue that it's not expensive to buy 1Gb of RAM

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Dagmar:

You can't argue that it's _needed_

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indego:

directhex, the board supports MPEG2/4 hardware decoding. That should releive the CPU, no. That was also why I wanted to know if a better TV card would be better (for output too).

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DGnome:

Dagmar: I know it does not require, but it does not hurt

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Dagmar:

I used to build whole websites on 4Mb of RAM.

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Dagmar:

s/websites/webservers/

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Dagmar:

What the install docs say about 256Mb per tuner being a good thing to aim for is dead on

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Dagmar:

More is fine, but it ain't needed

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directhex:

indego, xvmc is a last resort

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directhex:

indego, there's no mpeg4 acceleration on linux

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directhex:

indego, and the only tv card with video out is crap and quickly losing support

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Dagmar:

indego: While in theory XvMC is a great thing, in practice there's some places where it and Myth don't get along so well

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Dagmar:

XvMC will, if you're using it, accel mpeg2 playback

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Dagmar:

...so it'll help out with a PVR card's recordings

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Dagmar:

For mpeg4 and/or 1080i kinda content, you need raw CPU power and lots of it

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DGnome:

indego: the epia hardware decoding cannot cope with euro mpeg4 hd :/ not very future proof

[09:05:42]

DGnome:

indego: that's why I'd go for a mATX AMD dualcore solution in a antec nsk2480 case :)

[09:05:51]

Dagmar:

Dual core is handy for this stuff

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directhex:

you can even get a fast cpu on mini-itx form factor if you want

[09:06:20]

directhex:

there are a few intel options at that size

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Dagmar:

Mainly it means the commflagger and other stuff can run, usually without you having to do a lot of nicelevel tweaking, and they won't be so likely to slow down the frontend

[09:08:10]

Dagmar:

One of my neighbors wants a myth box now after having seen mine

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DGnome:

Many of my reltives want one

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Dagmar:

Gonna do it the easy way and just clone my box

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directhex:

don't clone your porn recordings

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Dagmar:

I don't keep those on the myth box

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DGnome:

sharing is caring directhex !

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Dagmar:

I kinda wondering if i should offer to just plug his stuff into the update system I use at home

[09:10:31]

Dagmar:

...so that when I update my box, his will get the same updates

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DGnome:

Wonder how much it would cost to hire a dark fibre-pair from my apartment to my parents house (15km)... Costs more than putting up my own satellite dish but it would be a solution to not being allowed to install one :) slave-backend over fiber with a couple of dvb-s2 tuners directed at eurobird1 ... *drool*

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justinh:

ugh people please! don't even consider epia stuff for the sake of your sanity

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indego:

DGnome, I was wanting something low power and quiet. The Epia boards seemed to fit the bill.

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indego:

justinh, why, bad experiance?

[09:22:51]

justinh:

yeh bad experience. they rely completely on xvmc doing the work of decoding video – never a good situation to be in

[09:23:39]

justinh:

I've yet to notice any sound my new frontend makes. core2 duo mobile 1.83. can't say it runs hot either

[09:23:44]

DGnome:

indego: a 45W TDP amd be-2400 + disk in a antec nsk2480 case IS quiet and does not eat that much power

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indego:

I will look arround and see. All food for thought. The one appealing thing is that the hardware is more 'standard'.... but I like oddball stuff ;)

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DGnome:

indego: powernowd is your friend, throttles your CPU according to rules. Mainly, when no load, reduce clock speed

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indego:

I will think of spec'ing a system on a Micro-ATX board and compaire price / performace. Thanks for all the input.

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DGnome:

indego: no problem

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ARfdee:

are there plans to EVER include the fixes for ivtv dma timeouts in the kernel?

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ARfdee:

months after this bug was posted, i still have to download the cvs for ivtv

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Dagmar:

Perhaps if it were posted where the kernel maintainers would see it

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ARfdee:

Dagmar: it has been

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ARfdee:

for quite some time

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ARfdee:

kernel still comes with ivtv 1.0.0 driver

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Dagmar:

Then bitch at them, not us.

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ARfdee:

Dagmar: quit whining

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Dagmar:

You first.

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ARfdee:

what is this, kindergarten?

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Dagmar:

Apparently

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Dagmar:

They'll love him on LKML

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directhex|bsp:

indego, for price/performance, remember a core2 chip is about 4x faster than an epia chip, per core. amd slightly less, but still several times

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directhex|bsp:

indego, that's clock-for-clock

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justinh:

still haven't even looked at powernowd

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Merlin83b2:

justinh: Thought you were on Intel?

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justinh:

Merlin83b2: I am

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Merlin83b2:

powernowd's targetted at AMD stuff isn't it?

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justinh:

dunno, you tell me

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Merlin83b2:

It is :)

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Merlin83b2:

"It is designed for use with CPU's supporting AMD's PowerNow power management scheme"

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siXy:

it uses the AMD powernow! (yahoo! influence i guess) and thus probably doesn't work too well on intel

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justinh:

so what works for intel then?

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directhex|bsp:

powernowd is not intel or amd specific, other than the name

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directhex|bsp:

it uses the completely cpu-agnostic interfaces in /sys

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directhex|bsp:

the only thing you need is the right modules loaded for your platform

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directhex|bsp:

which is typically acpi_cpufreq on intel, powernow-k8 on amd

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Merlin83b2:

And the CPU to support cpuefreq type stuff, apparently.

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justinh:

mine being a mobly chip.. I reckon it should :)

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justinh:

remember seeing something about ubuntu always defaulting to battery wasting mode

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justinh:

or waste of space mode.. can't remember

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justinh:

!trout bear bouncy

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, ubuntu doesn't do anything out of the ordinary, and configures cpu frequency scaling by default

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Dagmar:

For a brief while they were configuring the thing in "drive killing" mode, tho/

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Dagmar:

Some folks didn't much care for that, so they turned off the questionably-aggressive powersaving settings that were being applied to fixed disks.

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Dagmar:

Some drives don't do well when they're being spun up and down 10 times an hour

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tjcarter:

First iMac LCD repair done by a blind guy now 50% complete ;)

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tjcarter:

I need to clone some foam inserts on the back of the display, transfer the video cable and mounting bracket to the new display, and find a suitable nonconductive sticker for the back housing over the high-voltage board

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, that only happens on drives which defectively report their own power save characteristics

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baalsgate:

how do i stop menu's fading in and out ?

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Dagmar:

Disable the OpenGL paint engine

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directhex|bsp:

switch to the qt painter instead of opengl

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tjcarter:

OpenGL painter now fades menus?

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baalsgate:

ok thought I had tried that

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justinh:

tjcarter: opengl painter always has

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tjcarter:

justinh: I've never noticed this.

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: That's about the only damn thing it does, actually

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justinh:

eventually it'll do all sorts of pointless whizzbang things

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baalsgate:

need to restart the frontend too ?

[10:31:08]

justinh:

baalsgate: yes

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: Another feature that doesn't work on a Mac properly? =D

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tjcarter:

One of these days, the Mac FE users (all four of us) are going to have to just go and rewrite random stuff.

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** tjcarter fears C++ and Qt. **

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justinh:

the only reason the fade isn't done in the qt painter is that qt3 doesn't support alpha blending properly

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tjcarter:

heh

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justinh:

infact the only reason anything to do with alpha isn't done in the qt painter is that

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Dagmar:

It also gets a little wobbly when nvidia's automagic deinterlacer is in effect

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Dagmar:

For video, the magic deinterlacer/interlacer works great.

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Dagmar:

For say, the theme with that pulsing vertically-oriented "MythTV" text going up the left... not so much. It gets flickery.

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justinh:

I hate that fade anyway

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justinh:

and alphapulse

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justinh:

can't wait til it's abstracted & disable-able

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justinh:

Dagmar: then the magical deinterlacer flickery filter is gonna have loads of fun when ui elements move

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justinh:

maybe not such an issue now we have greedy deinterlacing

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Dagmar:

It's not a malfunction per-se

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justinh:

no it's an artifact

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Dagmar:

It's just that it's applying an interlacing filter to the s-video output

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justinh:

it's an intelligent line averager

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justinh:

bout time either video cards could do interlaced modes properly,or broadcasters went progressive

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baalsgate:

can one add any better mp3 encoders to myth for ripping cd's ?

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directhex|bsp:

interlacing is the devil

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directhex|bsp:

baalsgate, define "better"

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: it's a matter of opinion. some things look worse interlaced. others don't

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justinh:

baalsgate: is there a better encoder than lame?

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, how can interlacing ever look better? physically, i mean

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baalsgate:

well it says mp3 lame ... lame means crap to me so I was thinking that there may be a better alternative

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directhex|bsp:

*blink*

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: well.. er never on a progressive display

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justinh:

baalsgate: you have got to be kidding

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directhex|bsp:

lame is widely regarded as the best mp3 encoder ever made, but a wide margin

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Dagmar:

It's not going to get any better than LAME for encoding unless you can get Creative to cough up the code to use an EMU10k1 card as an accellerated encoder.

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baalsgate:

ok so lame is just the name of it not the quality

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justinh:

roflmao @ the prospect of somebody calling their own software lame because it was

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baalsgate:

if you have a lame horse you shoot it

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directhex|bsp:

Lame Aint an MP3 Encoder

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justinh:

baalsgate: and if you have a lame user?

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Dagmar:

Yes. LAME is just it's name.

[10:44:14]

Dagmar:

It's actually quite a bad-ass encoder.

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Dagmar:

Like, enough that there's a risk of being sued for distributing binaries of it.

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tjcarter:

heh

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baalsgate:

ok thanks

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Dagmar:

Turns out that lawyers don't really care if you developed your own methods from scratch when there's enough money involved.

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justinh:

reported to be better than the made by the company who patented mp3

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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justinh:

I think that speaks volumes

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directhex|bsp:

justdave, but they want you to use mp3pro!

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, ^

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baalsgate:

i thought it was a comment of the mp3 encoding, thanks for clearing that up :)

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justinh:

was just gonna say whatever happened to mp3pro

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, no bugger uses it because it's a big plate of bullshit & chips

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** justinh decides to call his next theme shite-wide **

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justinh:

it'll be the best theme ever, or will it? :P

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tjcarter:

lol

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Dagmar:

Just to clarify, did you used to go by 'juski'?

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Dagmar:

Hmm... Google implies that I am correct.

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baalsgate:

thanks ... sorry to ask a silly question but I have gained better understanding from it

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Dagmar:

That fills in a few blanks

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justinh:

surprised it took this long to realise :P

[10:51:23]

Dagmar:

Well, most people kinda pick a nick for life, so to speak. hgeh

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Dagmar:

Well, see, I didn't see you calling someone a chav. ;)

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justinh:

gonna change again at some point, or give up IRC for life

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justinh:

need to disconnect the online me from the real me. less comeback

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tjcarter:

justinh: too many whiners asking about your themes?

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quicksilver:

is there a real you?

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justinh:

if it wasn't for some helpful bearded twat connecting my old nick with my real name in a very public place I'd have stayed that way

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tjcarter:

justinh is a figment of our imaginations.

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Daviey:

hmm

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tjcarter:

justinh: er, why would someone bother?

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Daviey:

justinh: talking about me :(

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** tjcarter is connected with his real name in a public place **

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justinh:

tjcarter: presumably they didn't ask me if I minded, or at least assumed I wouldn't

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justinh:

Daviey: it wasn't you

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Daviey:

ahh, /me relaxes

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** quicksilver wonders if Daviey has 'bearded twat' highlighted in his IRC client. **

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Daviey:

justinh: you know if you give up IRC we'll have to go postal and/or telephone your house

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tjcarter:

justinh: presumably if you wanted your name known, you'd have made it so

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justinh:

there was nothing wrong with being the anonymous theme crusader who abused people on IRC occasionally. didn't need google finding out my real name

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justinh:

damage has been done now of course so I'll have to take my chances

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Dagmar:

There are jackasses around who would go bother you IRL?

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Daviey:

justinh: it's not that bad is it?

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Dagmar:

Hell, anyone who wants to can probably find me.

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Daviey:

quicksilver: i do :)

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Dagmar:

Although, God help them if they're up to no good.

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justinh:

learned some valuable lessons. like don't buy a .uk domain

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Daviey:

justinh is a cuddly bear in RL.. nobody would want to hurt him

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Merlin83b2:

justinh: Personal contact information can be hidden in .uk whois with a quick mail to your registrar.

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justinh:

Merlin83b2: not your real name

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Daviey:

it can... only .net can't be hidden easily AIUI

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Dagmar:

Ohnoes you own a domain

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justinh:

nominet flat refuse to anonymise your real name

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Merlin83b2:

justinh: Oh right. But you can always lie about that ;)

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justinh:

how – by paying in cash?

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Daviey:

There is an organisation who will register the domain for you, if you are really that secrative

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Merlin83b2:

Heh, nah just fill in the form with somethign false:)

[11:01:23]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I don't have jack that formally declares me "Dagmar d'Surreal" but that was the name on my vanity .org domain for ages

[11:01:29]

Merlin83b2:

Daviey: There are plenty – we do it.

[11:01:38]

Dagmar:

It wasn't even hard.

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justinh:

yeah stupid me for being honest

[11:01:53]

Dagmar:

Well, basically, yeah. Heh

[11:01:56]

Daviey:

justinh: why is it that bad?

[11:02:16]

justinh:

what's wrong with wanting a bit of privacy?

[11:02:19]

Dagmar:

How you think all these sketchy fly-by-night people get domains that no one can seem to sue them over

[11:02:37]

Dagmar:

They lie to the registrar and see if it gets noticed.

[11:02:41]

Dagmar:

Usually, it doesn't.

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, you are allowed to opt out of whois on a .uk domain – so nominet store but don't share your details

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justinh:

that's my point. why even bother denying people the chance to change how the record appears if people falsify their details all the time & go unnoticed?

[11:03:32]

justinh:

directhex|bsp: you can't hide the registrant's name

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Dagmar:

Yes you can. Just register an LLC, for one thing.

[11:03:49]

Dagmar:

That's even completely legal.

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justinh:

what a kerfuffle

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justinh:

just for a stinking website

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Dagmar:

The policies for the registrar hosting *.uk might be hard to step around, but .com and .net certainly aren't asking too many questions.

[11:04:57]

Dagmar:

.org, even less.

[11:05:13]

Dagmar:

Something to do with dozens fo companies all competing for the same namespace, I suspec.t

[11:05:20]

Dagmar:

All they care about is their cut of the money.

[11:05:28]

justinh:

I can't see the difference between hiding the name & hiding the address

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Dagmar:

Dude, I had my domain registered with an address in "Leetsville, OH 31337"

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Dagmar:

Give it a little creative thinking, or just start whoising domains until you see one that comes up saying absolutely nothing useful.

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Dagmar:

godaddy is actually kinda _bad_ about not actually publishing the information they're supposed to

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roothorick:

does Myth refuse to shutdown if there's no scheduled recordings in the future?

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justinh:

roothorick: shouldn't do

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Dagmar:

The backend will fail to shut down if there's a frontend connected to it, I've been told.

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roothorick:

okay... I'm trying to test out suspend to RAM, but Myth won't even shut down for me

[11:08:01]

Dagmar:

It'll just stay going forever so long as it thinks there's a frontend that needs it.

[11:08:15]

Dagmar:

That would probably be a hardware-level issue.

[11:08:21]

roothorick:

it's not

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roothorick:

I can hibernate manually

[11:08:39]

roothorick:

Myth just won't issue the shutdown command for some reason

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Dagmar:

hibernate != suspend

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roothorick:

I meant suspend

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Dagmar:

Okay

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roothorick:

I use hibernate-script

[11:09:27]

roothorick:

I tell mythshutdown to call hibernate to shut down

[11:09:31]

roothorick:

that never happens

[11:09:54]

roothorick:

and even with full verbosity, I don't see anything about an idle timeout or trying to shut down in the mythbackend log

[11:10:06]

Dagmar:

appelza: My employer paid for the exams

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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DGnome:

Now we know your secret.

[11:10:27]

roothorick:

I recently discovered that my kernel recompile clobbered the TV tuner drivers, so Myth was a little confused

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justinh:

argghh stop trying to turn myth into a windows app!

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roothorick:

working on that now

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roothorick:

...?

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justinh:

why's it so _bad_ it's a linux-only app? why? why can't they leave it alone?

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roothorick:

meh

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roothorick:

I don't care either way

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, linux only? osx!

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justinh:

well that too. this mission to turn it into everything for every man & his dog is getting a bit much

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justinh:

just don't relate to the world domination ethos

[11:14:47]

roothorick:

nor do I, but kids will be kids

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, making your code cross-platform is good practice, not because it runs on multiple paltforms, but because only good code runs in many places without massive hackery

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roothorick:

directhex|bsp: have you ever developed for windows?

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justinh:

why should anybody care it won't compile for windows? rest assured I will not hang about around here once the great unwashed start streaming in

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Dagmar:

I don't exactly expect Windows to run without issue, 24/7, for weeks on end.

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directhex|bsp:

roothorick, not in recent memory. however, i've developed full stop and had windows work as a free bonus

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roothorick:

directhex|bsp: there's nothing standard about windows. Even basic stdlib headers are different.

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roothorick:

it's an ugly mess.

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justinh:

I can tell you this for free – once there are windows binaries folks can download & install – there's going to be a whole load more unclued people after help NOW

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Dagmar:

I will flee.

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Dagmar:

Or perhaps we can just force them into their own channel

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justinh:

it's bad now but it'll be untenable once there are windows installers

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directhex|bsp:

frontend only though, right?

[11:19:02]

justinh:

is that what you think?

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Dagmar:

That would be worse.

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justinh:

they won't stop coming

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Dagmar:

That would be Windows users installing the frontend, then realizing they need a backend, and flooding in here asking questions that scream "I have no Linux knowledge and I don't want any"

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justinh:

don't get me wrong I don't want it to become true but we all know what they're like

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Dagmar:

At least if all three pieces ran on Windows they could rice it up with just "Windows Tweaks" sites

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directhex|bsp:

three pieces?

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justinh:

I can see there being a point for a windows desktop frontend MAYBE but not all of it. it's the beginning of the end IMHO

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directhex|bsp:

wait, they're actually porting the BE from V4L to BDA?

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justinh:

mythbackend works on the windows build already, sans video capture AFAIK. how long before linux users who love long uptimes & expect to see recordings there when they make them start being marginalised?

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roothorick:

what in the world...

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roothorick:

I'm going to guess my V4L driver isn't suspend-safe

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, marginalized by whom? you see al the current myth developers jumping over to windows and dropping linux support?

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justinh:

</paranoid android mode>

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DGnome:

A working windows port of mythbackend will result in a lot of "kiddies" flooding up all support channels :/

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, you have a pain in all the diodes down your left side?

[11:39:43]

justinh:

directhex|bsp: maybe an influx of windows devs breaking linuxy stuff

[11:40:01]

justinh:

hahaha who am I kidding

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Dagmar:

Why, then our job would be clear.

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Dagmar:

It would be a jihad.

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, an influx of devs could be seen as a good thing, even if the occasional breakage needs fixing

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Dagmar:

If some of them know C++, then fine.

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roothorick:

directhex|bsp: I worked on a project that was devastated by a developer flood. "occasional breakage" is beyond understatement — it's just being naive. A large number of new developers will inevitably destroy your code.

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justinh:

roothorick: they'd have to get commit access first

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roothorick:

justinh: point

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siXy:

roothorick: not true. after all, not many people have commit access

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directhex|bsp:

roothorick, commit access is the gatekeeper. tickets can be evaluated for quality before use

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roothorick:

what the hell is with this machine...

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roothorick:

sometimes, it successfully suspends to RAM

[11:43:00]

roothorick:

other times, it hangs on the way down

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justinh:

arghhh </doomsayer>

[11:43:10]

justinh:

I blame that asteroid for not wiping us all out

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** directhex|bsp drops skylab on justinh **

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Dagmar:

directhex|bsp: Skylab fell a long time ago, dude.

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Dagmar:

...but I hear the NRO has a satellite that's about to become available for dropping on people.

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, skylab's remains should be dropped on justinh

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Dagmar:

It's actually funny to see it mentioned the NRO own that, by the way

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justinh:

NRO ?

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Dagmar:

There was a time you couldn't get anyone to even admit that agency existed.

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Dagmar:

National Reconnaissance Organization

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Dagmar:

Before Bush made it the NSA's job, it was the NRO's job to spy on everyone domestically.

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justinh:

as opposed to every other organisation that does reconnaissance I suppose

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Dagmar:

No, I mean it was the NRO's job as a US agency to spy on US citizens, and anything nearby that looked interesting.

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directhex|bsp:

dhs!

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Dagmar:

YEah, really.

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: seen their adverts on telly? bloody sick of them now

[11:49:39]

Dagmar:

All we need now is some former Stasi heads and we're all set.

[11:49:52]

Dagmar:

What?>

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Dagmar:

DHS runs _ads_ in the UK?

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directhex|bsp:

dfs is a furniture company

[11:50:05]

justinh:

ah no that'd be D F S

[11:50:08]

justinh:

:P

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Dagmar:

Ah. hehe

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directhex|bsp:

cheap mdf crap for people who can't afford ikea

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: Ikea are less expensive actually. you should see their non-sale prices (yeah they really do have times when they don't have sales)

[11:51:25]

justinh:

anyway – we supposed to be surprised there's a US govt agency dedicated to spying on its citizens?

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, i know, but people still buy chipboard from dfs instead of well-engineered swedish mdf

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Dagmar:

Little known fact: "Ikea" in Finnish means "how the f**k do I find the way out of the damn store???"

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, on the left, between the meatballs and the ligonberry juice. DUH!

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justinh:

Dagmar: they've put shortcuts in the stores in the UK now

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Dagmar:

That's good.

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Dagmar:

Someone going in there on LSD would probably never find their way out again.

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justinh:

someone going there on LSD would probably find a lot of theur designs really desirable

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Dagmar:

When I go into them, I don't use the restroom, ever... just in case I'm having a spaz moment.

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justinh:

oh now that cheered me up. Sly have to sell more than half their stake in the chav channel

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tjcarter:

directhex: you say OSX above as if you actually believe Myth runs on a Mac. ;)

[12:14:54]

tjcarter:

It maybe sortof walks ;)

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tjcarter:

but runs is a stretch

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Dagmar:

"Moseys" or "ambles"

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Dagmar:

..."staggers" is another good one.

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justinh:

wow. now you can use craigslist to hire hitmen. awesome

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directhex|bsp:

tjcarter, my cross-platform app runs on a mac too!

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directhex|bsp:

tjcarter, disclaimer: requires you build a functional gtk+ stack, install a recent mono runtime, run x11, and build a working gtk# 2.8. then set your environment to use all of the above

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opentrinity:

hi guys

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quicksilver:

tjcarter: Myth does run on a mac. Just not this Myth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_(computer_game_series)

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quicksilver:

on balacne that myth gave me more fun than this one :)

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quicksilver:

although it's less 'useful'

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directhex|work:

i think bear should close his irc client until his internet works

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justinh:

methinks bear is somebody else by a different name

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justinh:

mr sproingy or whatever they used to call themselves

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directhex|work:

zebadee!

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justinh:

oo is it time for bed already?

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justinh:

ooo 24" LCD for under £200 now. 1920x1200 without any DVI input? are they mad?

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Dagmar:

There's not really much point in going 24" unless you're doing that resolution.

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Dagmar:

...and VGA should be able to do it.

[14:10:00]

Dagmar:

I got the 22" 1680x1050 display I'm using for about that a few months back. LG makes some decent displays.

[14:10:09]

justinh:

I've seen 15" monitors hardly capable of getting a solid lock on 1024x768

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justinh:

I have a 22" LG, but it has DVI. don't see the sense in VGA anymore

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Dagmar:

Well, sometimes, like in my case, the goddamn thing didn't come with the DVI cable it was supposed to.

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Dagmar:

heh

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justinh:

cheap gear, expensive cable. oh I know that con

[14:13:56]

Dagmar:

Nah it was just left out of the box somehow

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Dagmar:

I got one ordered online pretty cheap, it jl

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Dagmar:

er it just hasn't arrived yet

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Dagmar:

LG is also shipping me one as well.

[14:21:05]

DGnome:

:)

[14:21:09]

Dagmar:

...seeing as how it didn't come in the box like it was supposed to.

[14:21:37]

Dagmar:

I don't really have a problem with having spare cables around.

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Dagmar:

Cables don't spoil.

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Dagmar:

Blank media on the other hand...

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Dagmar:

The last short spindle of low-speed CD-R's I had were used as munitions in an attempt to test the ballistic properties of optical media in a rock quarry

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niter3:

So I have a problem. I have set in mythtv to grab the schedules when the source recommends. However, I'm having an issue where the schedules are not being updated unless i do it manually. Now take it mind I have mythwelcome start first. I also have mythtv set to write the next recording time to the /proc/acpi/alarm so it will wake up for the next recording. Does the same time get written for the schedules update in the $tim

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Dagmar:

Probably not.

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niter3:

Dagmar: was that message for me?

[14:35:21]

Dagmar:

Probably so.

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niter3:

haha... Well how can I have the schedule update write to the $time variable. I need it to bring the machine back up to grab the new schedules.

[14:36:28]

justinh:

probably a case nobody has considered yet

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justinh:

heh

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Dagmar:

Break out your favorite text editor and tear into the source code.

[14:36:38]

Dagmar:

I can see that being something that would get overlooked.

[14:37:11]

Dagmar:

Frankly, what I'd recommend is looking around for this altenate version of crond that used to be floating around, which had some special modifications in it for laptops, i.e., machines that aren't "always on"

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niter3:

yah it's quite a pain. I'm just wondering where it's written to right now?

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Dagmar:

If the machine was down from say, 3am to 6am, at 6am when that crond gets fired up, it would actually go back and run all the jobs that were scheduled between now and the last time it was called.

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niter3:

Dagmar: Well technically I could write it to a shell script that in turn manually writes it to the $time variable....

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niter3:

But I need to know where that information is stored in the first place.

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justinh:

niter3: you could put it in the shutdown/sleep script

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niter3:

sorry writes it to the /proc/acpi/alarm

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Dagmar:

...and what do you expect to acheieve by merely setting a variable

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justinh:

test if the next scheduled recording is before or after the next data grab & set the wakeup time accordingly

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Dagmar:

Okay

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niter3:

justinh: shutdown/sleep script. Yah but that would screw things up. It would overwrite the next wakeup event causing my recordings not to happen

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Dagmar:

Dis is why I'm suggesting that crond replacement

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Dagmar:

If you ran mythfilldatabase through that crond, it's start time wouldn't exactly be random, but it would be when the machine wakes up to start the next recording

[14:39:36]

** justinh lights up another few barrels of oil. **

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niter3:

Dagmar: Good idea.

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niter3:

:)

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niter3:

Dagmar: now is this a crond script?

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SerajewelKS:

how come every scheduled recording i set up says there are 4 conflicts for each episone?

[14:41:13]

SerajewelKS:

episode*

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Dagmar:

No, it's an entirely different implementation of crond

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directhex|work:

justinh, the low price of cheap 24" makes it hard to justify the hgh price of better 24", the delta is huge

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Dagmar:

I *think* it was this one http://freshmeat.net/projects/fcron/

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SerajewelKS:

even if i remove all schedules, a new one will have 4 conflicts per episode

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niter3:

Dagmar: ok thanks.. I'm looking now.

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: duplicate channels eh

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Dagmar:

"But fcron does not assume that your system is running neither all the time nor regularly : you can, for instance, tell fcron to execute tasks every x hours y minutes of system up time or to do a job only once in a specified interval of time."

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Dagmar:

Sounds like exactly the thing

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: i don't think so

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: how would i check?

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niter3:

Dagmar: Just doesn't mention when the computer is off and comes back up it will run the cron jobs that it missed.

[14:45:04]

Dagmar:

You're perfectly welcome to keep searching FM

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: i do have two copies of every channel, but each one is on a different input, one of which i have not assigned anywhere

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: and that doesn't explain why there would be four conflicts

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Dagmar:

You've maybe told it to record the program on any channel

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: doh you're using the classic theme menu view aren't you?

[14:47:00]

solexious:

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Dagmar:

solexious: Probably

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justinh:

solexious: mpeg2 yeah. h.264 with AVC. no

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: yes?

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solexious:

Justinh: whats the diff?

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Dagmar:

solexious: "HD content" can mean a lot of things

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quicksilver:

h.264 is a lot more work to decode.

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quicksilver:

it's a cleverer compression algorithm but requires serious CPU horsepower

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: those aren't conflicts. that's a list of upcoming recordings. you should notice the other items are a different colour to the one which'll be recorded

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quicksilver:

mpeg2 takes up more diskspace but is easer.

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solexious:

Cool, where would i find h.264? we talking hd dvd and blue ray or live hdtv?

[14:49:02]

justinh:

calling that screen conflicts was maybe a good idea at the time but since it doesn't only show conflicts anymore...

[14:49:02]

Dagmar:

Any of the above.

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: then how come the "conflicts" column says "4"

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justinh:

no idea. I don't use that ill-thought out menu theme

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solexious:

a ok, what spec of prosessor should i be looking at to handle h.264?

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directhex|work:

solexious, high end core 2 duo

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justinh:

solexious: none, for mythtv right now

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: ok, i switch to "default"

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: there are still four conflicts

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directhex|work:

well, yeah, justinh is right, strictly speaking

[14:50:37]

SerajewelKS:

justinh: and i'm not sure wtf the menu theme would have to do with conflict detection, but whatever

[14:51:05]

SerajewelKS:

anyway

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quicksilver:

solexious: there is some hope that one day there will be a nice free software h.264 decoder which can take advantage of a dual core setup

[14:51:41]

quicksilver:

solexious: at which stage, it seems reasonable that a good core 2 duo would be sufficient

[14:51:47]

quicksilver:

(apple's macos can do it)

[14:52:07]

quicksilver:

or, there is an outside chance that we will get video drivers which enable hardware assisted decoding

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directhex|work:

quicksilver, svn mplayer can do threaded h264 playback on files which support it

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solexious:

Ok, is most hddvd and blueray h.264? *thinking along the lines of if there is enough content myth can use to ake hd setup worth wile*

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: the confusing thing is that it doesn't list what they conflict with

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quicksilver:

in which case an even lower spec machin can manage.

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SerajewelKS:

so i have no damn clue what is configured incorrectly

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directhex|work:

solexious, 3 codecs are in use – vc1, h264, and mpeg2

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solexious:

direct: So its potluck what one is used?

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justinh:

is it just me or has 'conflicts' been renamed to 'upcoming recordings' ?

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directhex|work:

solexious, largely, yes

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directhex|work:

solexious, for broadcast, it's h264 in europe and mpeg2 elsewhere

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: except that there are nine upcoming, not four

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solexious:

Great, thank you for your help

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: and it claims four conflicts for every episode of any show i set to record

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: and i checked in mythtv-setup... i have two sources, one that uses EIT and one that uses SD, the latter being assigned to an input

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: so i do have two copies of every channel, but one is not in use, and FWIW this is exactly how it was set up when it was working correctly

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justinh:

you don't really want to have inputs not assigned

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Dagmar:

Urge to kill boss, rising.

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SerajewelKS:

ok

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solexious:

direct: well im in the uk and cant be bothered with sky and freeview isnt hd yet so its mainly downloaded and disk hd im looking at

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justinh:

nope. can't find 'recording conflicts'

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justinh:

solexious: oh a lawbreaker. nice to meet you

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justinh:

FWIW you can't use extra cores to help play downloadables

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: in "upcoming recordings" there is a column "no. conflicts"

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solexious:

hehe, downloaded i mean elephants dream of cause

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justinh:

not in linux. not yet anyway

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Dagmar:

We've been installing a new biometric/card-swipe system here, and amidst all the chaos I've been writing the documentation on how to use it

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solexious:

looking forward to seeing it in hd on my new tv

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justinh:

I'd rather watch Starship Troopers than Elephant's Dream again

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Dagmar:

He wants me now to push it up into this crackheaded Sharepoint thing.

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: i deleted the extra one. same thing.

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: would a screenshot help?

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Dagmar:

...and he called into question why I'm writing it in HTML.

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Daviey:

Elephant's Dream was pretty dissapointing

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justinh:

some crack would help

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solexious:

hehe

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justinh:

recording conflicts have left the building

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Dagmar:

...and while I've got the bloody editor up, then asked why I wasn't immediately uploading it into this nasty little IIS excuse for a wiki.

[14:58:14]

Dagmar:

MIGHT it be because I am still writing the damn thing?

[14:58:45]

Dagmar:

Then he says he wants me to run it by him to make sure it doesn't say anything incorrect.

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Dagmar:

Geez, it's not like I haven't been using the system for hte last two weeks or anything.

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Daviey:

Dagmar: tell him he can review it once it is live

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SerajewelKS:

sigh

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Dagmar:

Actually I told him we'll discuss it once he gets back from the meeting and has had a chance to regain his sanity

[15:00:13]

Dagmar:

Either the docs are right, or the whole office has been using this thing wrong from day one.

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Dagmar:

It's pretty simple, really.

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justinh:

nah doesn't look like there's a menu entry for 'conflicts' anymore. only upcoming recordings

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: that is what i am looking at

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: in that display there is a column "No. Conflicts". every episone says 4.

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SerajewelKS:

episode*

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justinh:

you know when you say you're looking at such & such a screen? in future can you try to be more specific & call it by its proper name?

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Dagmar:

justinh: I made screenshots of everything.

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Dagmar:

Big red circles with numbers in them saying where to click and in what order.

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure a nine-year old could follow these.

[15:03:13]

Dagmar:

Since it's basically a workflow, it simply makes sense to do it in HTML.

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SerajewelKS:

i thought i did

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justinh:

it used to be called 'conflicts' in the classic (EEW) menu theme & I wasn't aware it'd changed

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SerajewelKS:

ah

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SerajewelKS:

anyway, it's on upcoming recordings

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justinh:

it's not no. OF conflicts

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justinh:

if there were conflicts it would say X Conflicts where X is the number of conflicts

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justinh:

the number is the recording input it plans to use

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justinh:

just there's FA room to put all the column names

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SerajewelKS:

oh...

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SerajewelKS:

that's right, it is input 4

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SerajewelKS:

-_-

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justinh:

maybe it'd be much more intuitive to go.. "oh there are no conflicts.. don't show the text" and "there are this many conflicts, show the text"

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justinh:

very easy patch

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SerajewelKS:

seriously, tell me that this doesn't look like it's saying there are conflicts: http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9168/screenshot15ck9.png

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justinh:

yeah I get ya, I know

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justinh:

but there are no conflicts :)

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SerajewelKS:

oh is it actually saying "there are No Conflicts?"

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SerajewelKS:

i guess i tried to be too smart

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SerajewelKS:

"No" must mean "Number!"

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SerajewelKS:

ok now that i've wasted two hours on this :)

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SerajewelKS:

i really like duplicate episode detection btw

[15:12:20]

SerajewelKS:

it killed a recording of a re-airing of one episode of Lost

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jarle:

If I want to use coreavc with myth, do I need to compile mythtv myself, or can I use a pre-built version?

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justinh:

jarle: unless the prebuilt version comes pre-modified...

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justinh:

yeah you don't wanna go watching too much lost

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SerajewelKS:

ok question, i have two schedules that overlap by one minute

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SerajewelKS:

myth says that the first one will not be recorded at all. why can't it record up to the second one, then switch over?

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GreyFoxx:

jarle: likely have to compile it yourself

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Kazan:

jeebus

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Kazan:

yum install eclipse on a fresh upgrade from fc7 to fc8

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Kazan:

packages: 70 inst, 2 update – 154mb

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jarle:

GreyFoxx: seems like ffmpeg (hence also mythtv) has problems playing some of my h264 stuff, so I'm thinking of maybe installing coreavc, but the best solution would be to have ffmpeg support h264 100%...

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Kazan:

ffmpeg has problems with ac3 glitches

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Kazan:

cannot recover cleanly from them

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Kazan:

Xine can somehow – but myth and ffmpeg/trasncode/etc cannot

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Kazan:

really pissing me off

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: I don't often say this, but I acknowledge it's a problem & I'll take a look at the code at some point before 0.21

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tank-man:

yea, i'd like an option in the add over ride menu for "record as much as possible" for those 1 min conflicts

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Kazan:

i just make the one program terminate -1 minutes late

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tank-man:

yea, but that has so many buttom presses

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: cool, thanks :)

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: wait, which one, the "fake conflicts" or the possible partial recording

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anykey_:

bear: could you _please_ fix your internet access and/or quit your irc client?!

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Kazan:

he's already gone any

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: the former

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niter3:

Hey guys, is there any self made media center computers out their being sold with myth? Anyone got a website. I want to look at prices

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Kazan:

peer is being a real bastard today :D

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Kazan:

there are niter3

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justinh:

niter3: tvease.com went into liquidation but AFAIK the guys who sell Dragon myth systems are still going

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Kazan:

but why don't you jsut go shop on newegg

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** Kazan whines.. i have to write this homework for network design/implementation/security class in ... JAVA! **

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Kazan:

i asked the professor if i could use a real programming language

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Kazan:

and he said no :(

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justinh:

http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?products_id=44

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anykey_:

Kazan: why wouldn't java be a real programming language?

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Kazan:

because it's a steaming pile of interpreted garbage

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Kazan:

meng i haven't written a java application in YEARS

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Kazan:

grr

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anykey_:

since when is java interpreted? it's bytecode, like C#

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** Kazan wonders why the professor cannot simply let me use C++ it would be much faster to write and to run and I could have this assignment done in 10 minutes **

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Kazan:

which is not machine code

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Kazan:

which has to be run through an interpreter that translates the bytecode into native machine code

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Kazan:

a virtual machine is still an interpreter in my book the the way java uses one

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justinh:

Kazan: imagine the professor was your employer. do it his way or the highway

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Kazan:

and java's is slow as fark

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Kazan:

justinh: i think i'll write this assignment in both just to prove a point

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** Kazan sighs as he realizes he doesn't heve own a java reference text **

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hatchmt:

Anyone have any experience pulling caller id into mythtv from a vonage phone system, or know if it's even possible?

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justinh:

mythtvosd ftw!

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** justinh would prefer something to prevent the phone ringing when he's watching telly though **

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Kazan:

what is the java equiv of #include... using io.foo.bar yes?

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Kazan:

been... 4 or 5 years since i wrote java code

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Dagmar:

Seems like it needs more dots in it somehow.

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GreyFoxx:

hatchmt: I've done it with asterisk, but never from avonage ata

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Esine:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4548 <-- I just updated my copy of mythtv and I regret it. I can't use mtd.

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justinh:

mtd is dead

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justinh:

oops sorry I meant mfd

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Esine:

the ticket says you can prevent the segfault by changing those fields manually, but.. how? I mean what should I change them to?

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justinh:

not mtd. mtd is alive & well

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Esine:

right well I can't use mytharchive to create DVDs now

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Esine:

it says "Terminated"

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justinh:

mtd != mythtranscode

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Esine:

it worked fine just hour before I did an update..

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Esine:

oh

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Esine:

well, whatever it is how can I fix it?

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iamlindoro:

Monitor the ticket and wait for it to get resolved, then recompile, or restore to your previous version with the database backup you should have made.

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MoeGreen:

hey what the terminal command in knoppmyth to download programs like firefox?

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justinh:

download? or install?

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MoeGreen:

install

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MoeGreen:

i cant remember

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justinh:

apt-get

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MoeGreen:

yup thats it..

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MoeGreen:

tx

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justinh:

ox

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Kazan:

grrr i friggen hat gcj and how everyone installs it by default

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Kazan:

hate*

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blackest:

just go get the sun sdk like everybody does who actually needs to write anything in java

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MoeGreen:

hey justinh, that "apt-get firefox" didnt work, is there another...I did it before but really not sure what command i used.

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Kazan:

blackest: except if you try to uninstall gcj it wants to drag a bunch of other programs with it – openoffice, eclipse, etc

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blackest:

apt-get install firefox

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justinh:

apt-cache search $name

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blackest:

well you can leave it installed you just need to change your java preferences

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MoeGreen:

cool that worked..thx

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** justinh is not a knoppmyth/debian/ubunut manual **

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blackest:

is it possible to make mythmusic work well ?

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justinh:

no. it's impossible

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Kazan:

i have it working

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Kazan:

well? that's another matter :D

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blackest:

can you use two different frontends and have it work on both?

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justinh:

blackest: you mean have a backend stream the music? no

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justinh:

export the music dir from one machine & mount it to the same point on all frontends

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blackest:

so i need to figure the export command so both systems can find the music in the same place

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justinh:

man /etc/exports

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blackest:

i was trying to do it with samba but then i get two different paths

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GreyFoxx:

you could do it via nfs, samba/cifs

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GreyFoxx:

as long as you specify the same location on the client machine

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KiSak:

hey iamlindoro, still around?

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Kazan:

anyone here write java regularily?

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Kazan:

how do i reference another class in my project? (it's in a seperate .java file)

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GreyFoxx:

try #java ?

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Kazan:

no

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Kazan:

my hw1_server class needs to spawn instances of hw1_srv_servicer

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Kazan:

they're in seperate .java files

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Kazan:

eclipse tells me that hw1_srv_servicer is undefined.. and import hw1_srv_servicer doesn't work

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GreyFoxx:

and #java sounds like a good place for Java questions. Unless it's some cyber chat channel playing off the coffee reference

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Kazan:

oh lol i misread what you typed :P

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KiSak:

anybody interested in checking my bash script?

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KiSak:

I haven't run it yet, and I'd rather get a second opinion before deploying it

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KiSak:

http://pastebin.com/d8e6473c

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blackest:

whats it for

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justinh:

woo scary dudes with red eyes.. walked into #jawa by mistake

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blackest:

is that a channel for dodgy motorcycles

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KiSak:

blackest: it's a remove commercials varient

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KiSak:

also, it was for 0.20.2, I upgraded to 0.21 yesterday, any potential conflicts?

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blackest:

KiSak:you need someone better than me to tell you

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KiSak:

well, the new codeblock is based off what iamlindoro gave me yesterday

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blackest:

probably good then, whats the worst it could do

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KiSak:

worst? burn down the house?

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blackest:

thats an impressive bash script

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indego:

anyone using a HVR 1300 with MythTV? Good or look elsewhere?

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Dagmar:

Google.

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indego:

Dagmar, I have. I see support for the card. I was wondering about any 'user' experiances.

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Dagmar:

There's several links that would indicate it should work so long as you're using a very recent kernel

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blackest:

indego: have you bought the card yet?

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MoeGreen:

i just ran xmode2 to test my remote, and i got lines and stuff back when i hit keys on the remote,, so obvisouly its working but then i go into myth and its not,,,what should i try next to get it working in myth?

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indego:

blackest, No, just 'shopping'. Initially I was thinking a cheap PVR 150. Some folk here were recomending digital. That may come here, so I was wondering about a comprimise.

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Dagmar:

MoeGreen: you're skipping several whole steps in the chain of control

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Dagmar:

MoeGreen: Read this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC

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KiSak:

indego: do you have a digital source?

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MoeGreen:

cool..thx dagmar

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Dagmar:

Caveat: I'm a moron and wrote 'irexec' in ther ewhen I meant to write ircat.

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Dagmar:

It'll be fixed in just a moment

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|Torg|:

Dagmar: if you are a moron, what does that make the rest of us mear mortals?

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blackest:

mear cats ;)

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Dagmar:

Actually, I think someone else edited this bit

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Dagmar:

That paragraph doesn't make a lick of sense and I *usually* am a bit more coherent.

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|Torg|:

Dagmar: I came in a bit late, what are you referring to?

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Dagmar:

Who the heck uses irexec with MythTV?

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Dagmar:

That's better

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|Torg|:

I dunno, lazy people?

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|Torg|:

maybe you want to initiate kernel suspend from your ir remote?

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Dagmar:

Seems like a fast way to breqk everything.

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|Torg|:

its a nice way to be the mad hacker, thats for sure

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Dagmar:

irexec should not be used with MythTV if it has native lirc support compiled in

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Dagmar:

That'll just result in double keypresses I think

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|Torg|:

and since I have seen things like stray IR in my house do weird things like chang channels, having a ir command to suspend a box would be sorta scarry

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Dagmar:

It might be possible to make it catch button presses that MythTV ignores and do things like tell the machine to suspend or something

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Dagmar:

I dunno what exactly happens if there's two listeners on /dev/lircd the same time, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be good.

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|Torg|:

but you asked why someone would use it, I was just throwing out random guesses :P

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Dagmar:

Well, I know for sure that sesction had nothing to do with the illstrated explanation I put in there of how signals go from the remote to being instructions for MythTV.

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|Torg|:

besides its not the making it gow to sleep I want, its rather waking it up from sleep (one of the reasons I prefer an RF keyboard over IR control)

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bagpuss_thecat:

ok, how do I increase the logging level of mythbackend?

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bagpuss_thecat:

I want to see every tim eit even considers opening a network socket or file

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bagpuss_thecat:

every time it even bloody well thinks about poking at the database

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|Torg|:

are you really sure you want it to? try -v all

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|Torg|:

a bit more sane is -v all,nodatabase

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|Torg|:

but if you REALLY want 1G/hr logs do just -v, all. It will give you insight into just how much myth uses mysql

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moegreen:

so i got my remote working and found a lircd.conf file for my remote off of lirc.org, so now im confused on setting up the lircrc file,,anybody care to help me?

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moegreen:

*already replaced the lircd.conf file too

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moegreen:

iamlindoro you on right now?

[17:45:25]

iamlindoro_:

yup

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iamlindoro_:

moegreen, what distro are you using?

[17:45:33]

KiSak:

ok, today I am switching which backend is the master backend, does this just involve pointing all the config files to the other backend?

[17:45:42]

KiSak:

hey iamlindoro_

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iamlindoro_:

hola

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moegreen:

knoppmyth...

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iamlindoro_:

gahhh

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moegreen:

i got my remote working :)

[17:46:07]

moegreen:

remember me and the other day struggling to get it to work?

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iamlindoro_:

good good, yes, i remember

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|Torg|:

a master backend holds the schdules, the pointer to who has the media, etc, all other backends know its the master becase you set it as the master in the config

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moegreen:

well its now working just fine in xmode2 but im having a hard time understanding how to create the lircrc file and get that working. Can you shed some light/help?

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iamlindoro_:

moegreen, the lircrc is the easy part, once you understand it... more or less, you are associating button names, as found in your lircd.conf, with keypresses in a given program

[17:47:44]

KiSak:

the DB holds the schedules, the mbe is not the db

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iamlindoro_:

moegreen, so each definition will have a few parts... the prog=, button=, and config=

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|Torg|:

yes KiSak I meant to as to how impliemnts the schdules, not where are the stored

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KiSak:

afk – need to go help the neighbor

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bagpuss_thecat:

|Torg|: ta for the info, I'll do all,nodatabase

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moegreen:

right, ive see examples of that

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iamlindoro_:

moegreen, So lets say in lircd.conf you have a button that is called "ok." and you want to bind that to the mythtv keypress "Return". So the lircrc clause for that will read:

[17:48:55]

bagpuss_thecat:

both backends just die _randomly_ and silently :-(

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|Torg|:

the schdules are implictly a table in the mysql database, and that database can be anywhere, including on the mbe

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moegreen:

ok follow...

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iamlindoro_:

begin (newline) prog = mythtv (newline) button = ok (newline) config = return (newline) end

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|Torg|:

backends usualy die becase they cant use the input devices

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iamlindoro_:

"begin" says you're defining a new button, prog is what program you are commanding, button is a button name from lircd.conf, config is the key its bound to, and end ends the key clause

[17:50:17]

bagpuss_thecat:

can that be caused by lack of a signal lock?

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|Torg|:

nope, not usuauly unless its getting something strange from it

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moegreen:

ok understood.. If you remember the .conf file i got for my remote was RM-SXV008J so how do i create a lircrc for that?

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iamlindoro_:

moegreen, So that's all the lircrc is, just a bunch of those clauses. nothing else. the lircrc file needs to be in directory .mythtv (starting with a period) under your home directory.

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|Torg|:

lack of signal lock will normally just result in no recodrings being amde

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directhex|bsp:

|Torg|, it dies on some old versions of the BE with certain tuners

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bagpuss_thecat:

yeah, that's what I've seen happening a few times when it picks up a poor channel. But it doesn't seem to correlate with the backend dying

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|Torg|:

yea and Ive had it rtcord 1 hour of blank video too

[17:52:49]

|Torg|:

I said usually tho, not always and never :P

[17:52:53]

bagpuss_thecat:

and it often dies when nothing is due to be recorded anyway

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iamlindoro_:

moegreen, so basically, type cd ~/.mythtv to change to that directory, type nano lircrc, and begin writing those clauses. I would also open a second terminal where you can refer to /etc/lircd.conf while you work. You might try using something like this as your example, and you should only really need to change the "button =" portions to match yours from lircd.conf: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV/Hau . . . ythtv_lircrc

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bagpuss_thecat:

t'is two Nova-T cards, on a Debian box each

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|Torg|:

bagpuss_thecat: I dont know about spefic problems with dvb-t cards, but know about past problems with atsc cards. While similar they are not the same. And with an ATSC card there usued to be problems with PMT packats, AIT scanning and a few other things DVB related. They have been patched for quite some time now

[17:55:26]

bagpuss_thecat:

mmkay

[17:55:39]

bagpuss_thecat:

I'll poke around the logs and see what surfaces

[17:56:14]

bagpuss_thecat:

well, I'll start it with -v all,nodatabase, and wait for it to vanish one day :-)

[17:57:12]

moegreen:

ok let me try that

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bagpuss_thecat:

given that I've restarted it three times today, and only one recording has been scheduled since midnight :-p

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KiSak:

ok, I'm back

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KiSak:

I've already moved the database to the backend I want to be the mbe, I don't understand what is needed to make a painless transition in switiching the mbe

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bagpuss_thecat:

should be able to just change the master IP in the database

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bagpuss_thecat:

I did that a month or so back

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iamlindoro_:

Better make sure the hostnames are identical...

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bagpuss_thecat:

is that necessary? didn't do that here

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KiSak:

hostnames? everything is set by ip I thought

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iamlindoro_:

If you don't think bad things happen when you change the hostname and don't replace all instances in the database, then don't change it and find out.

[18:00:49]

SerajewelKS:

out of curiosity, how does logo detection work?

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bagpuss_thecat:

iamlindoro_: can you define 'bad things'? both my frontends and both backends continued to work just fine (except for them both randomly dying, but that was happening anyway) after I changed

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|Torg|:

bad things as in parts not being able to connect to other parts

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|Torg|:

bad things like networking fialing to work

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|Torg|:

bad things like your network card not being setup correctly

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bagpuss_thecat:

:-D

[18:03:28]

|Torg|:

do not simply change hostnames, /etc/hosts, and ip addresses capriciously

[18:03:46]

moegreen:

ok i setup one clause to see if it works, now what?

[18:03:59]

moegreen:

can i just start mythfrontend and test it out, or are there more steps?

[18:04:03]

KiSak:

iamlindoro_: http://pastebin.com/dc5e1d59 that's the result of that code sample you gave me yesterday

[18:04:06]

|Torg|:

if you dont like a hostname, alias it, if you MUST change it, know all the touchpoints plus all the parts of myth to change

[18:04:08]

bagpuss_thecat:

|Torg|: I use bind views... but yes

[18:04:32]

FinnTux:

"Totem can now search and play YouTube videos and connect to a MythTV server and watch past recordings or view live TV."

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iamlindoro_:

KiSak, good times

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FinnTux:

cool

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KiSak:

iamlindoro_: is it sane?

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** bagpuss_thecat did, in retrospect, rerun the setup app on all backends, and reconfigured the frontends **

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bagpuss_thecat:

it's all a blur

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iamlindoro_:

KiSak, Yes, that seems basically right just from looking at it

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|Torg|:

go to the box, type hostname, ping hostname, type nsloookup hostname, type dig hostname

[18:06:28]

|Torg|:

did they all give you back the proper name and ip address?

[18:06:51]

|Torg|:

if so go to setup, is the name/ip addrss of the master what it is suposed to be, is it resolvable, in all ways?

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|Torg|:

do the same for the database

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iamlindoro_:

moegreen, you would just start up mythfrontend and try it out

[18:07:08]

|Torg|:

if you want to be sure dump the settings table

[18:07:09]

iamlindoro_:

moegreen, sorry for the delay, busy in here today

[18:07:44]

iamlindoro_:

moegreen, and make sure ~/.mythtv/lircrc is owned by your mythfrontend user (and not by root)

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|Torg|:

unrelated to myth (well mostly) does anyone have expericane with writing DVDs and what RBU and UBU percentages mean?

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bagpuss_thecat:

|Torg|: ta for the info. the name resolution stuff and suchlike is fine, but I'll have a look at the database

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KiSak:

ok, so if I understand properly, the only change needed to switch the mbe is to get everything to point to the new mbe?

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|Torg|:

KiSak: yes

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** bagpuss_thecat watches the parents laptop check in over the vpn **

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** bagpuss_thecat spies **

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|Torg|:

KiSak: or to be more exact when you build a slave be you tell it the master backends ip address

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KiSak:

ok, simple enough, and the backends should all be adjusted with then off

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KiSak:

right?

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|Torg|:

lets say you have a working myth setup with a backend at 1.1.1.1 and a FE at 1.1.1.2

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KiSak:

and all the frontends can have the mbe adjusted with a clever mysql statement

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|Torg|:

you want to add antoehr backend at 1.1.1.3

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|Torg|:

in the setup for 1.1.1.3 you tell it the master bes ip address as 1.1.1.1

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KiSak:

I've done multiple backends

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directhex|bsp:

http://duorb.thermaltake.com/ – because cpu coolers are insufficiently large or flashy

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|Torg|:

when slave be comes up it queries the db and sees it is to connect to 1.1.1.1, it will try a few times and if sucessfull reports its cards and status to the master who adds it as a slave be

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|Torg|:

that really is all there is to it, other then setting up the slave with cards, imputs, channels etc

[18:15:31]

KiSak:

is the mbe set in the db or in a text file for backends?

[18:15:31]

iamlindoro_:

That website takes longer to load than the fan would take to arrive in the mail

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|Torg|:

noting is set other then the sqldb settings outside the database

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|Torg|:

EVERYTHING is in the datbase, excepot the settings for how to connect to the database (would be silly to store that in the databse)

[18:16:40]

KiSak:

so in theory I could change all the frontends and backends over at the same time from mythweb

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moegreen:

lindoro, http://pastebin.ca/879786

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|Torg|:

IF mythweb could connect to the BE, and IF mythweb could connect to the DB yes

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moegreen:

thats exactly what i put in, started frontend and hit the return button on my remote and nothing happened

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iamlindoro_:

moegreen, What the hell is alt-f4??

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bagpuss_thecat:

directhex|bsp: I presume that site uses Flash?

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directhex|bsp:

bagpuss_thecat, naturally. i said flashy!

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iamlindoro_:

moegreen, Why wouldn't you bind it to something sane like "return?"

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moegreen:

found it here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Keybindings

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bagpuss_thecat:

:-)

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** bagpuss_thecat cba forwarding X from his last remaing x86 machine **

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moegreen:

im just testing right now, cause i dont want to type out all the clauses and have it not work :)

[18:18:52]

iamlindoro_:

moegreen, dude, just bin it to return

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iamlindoro_:

er bind

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bagpuss_thecat:

wonder when Adobe will get with the times, and do x64 Flash...

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directhex|bsp:

use nspluginwrapper

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bagpuss_thecat:

directhex|bsp: hmmm, Gnash mostly plays it

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iamlindoro_:

make "config = Return" and retry

[18:20:08]

bagpuss_thecat:

plays it well enough to see that it looks shit :-)

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moegreen:

k

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iamlindoro_:

and if that doesn't work, then you need to, as I said, check the permissions and ownership of ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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|Torg|:

directhex, do you use nspluginwrapper? looks scarry to me

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moegreen:

ok that didnt work, so how do i check the permissions and ownership?

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iamlindoro_:

ls -al ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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iamlindoro_:

pastebin it

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iamlindoro_:

also, run irw, press the remote button you think is "return", and pastebin the output of that

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iamlindoro_:

good lord, how long has this guy (bear) been dropping and reconnecting? Like 24 hours now...

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directhex|bsp:

|Torg|, it's configured, installed, and functional by default in 64-bit ubuntu

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moegreen:

http://pastebin.ca/879864

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iamlindoro_:

moegreen, so you're running mythfrontend as root??

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iamlindoro_:

are you launching from a menu command, or from the command line?

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moegreen:

command line

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iamlindoro_:

pastebin the console output when you start mythfrontend

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moegreen:

ok that worked

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iamlindoro_:

hmm??

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moegreen:

i just su to root and did mythfrontend

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sphery:

/sb c

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moegreen:

the return key is acting right

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sphery:

oops

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iamlindoro_:

You need to read up on linux permissions, moegreen

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iamlindoro_:

You created ~/.mythtv/lircrc for root... not for whoever you were trying to run mythfrontend as

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moegreen:

is ~ root?

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iamlindoro_:

no, ~ is the home directory of whomever you are at that moment

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moegreen:

ahh

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iamlindoro_:

if you are logged in as user "bobbyjo", then typing nano ~/.mythtv/lircrc opens file /home/bobbyjo/.mythtv/lircrc

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iamlindoro_:

but if you've done "su" first... then you're root, not bobbyjo any more

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moegreen:

so how do i set myth to start the frontend using root as user?

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iamlindoro_:

NO

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iamlindoro_:

that is *not* the way to solve this

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iamlindoro_:

Just create an lircrc for the correct user, not root

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iamlindoro_:

running random shit as root is bad bad news

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moegreen:

oh i see..i made the 1st lircrc when i was logged in as root.

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iamlindoro_:

yes.

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moegreen:

k let me try that

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moegreen:

theres already information in there for the happauge remote..

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iamlindoro_:

So erase it.

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moegreen:

ok thats what i thought

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Kazan:

##java is such a useful channel </sarcasm>

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|Torg|:

hanging out in #ubuntu is fun :)

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riddlebox:

ok

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riddlebox:

its even more fun when your doing it from your cell phone

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Kazan:

##java is full of some of the most immature moderators ever

[18:58:16]

Kazan:

they like to make presumptious statements

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Kazan:

then kickban when you pwn them

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Kazan:

and bitch you out for writing inherently non-oop tasks in non-oop fashion

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Kazan:

(server communication loops)

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|Torg|:

if the code works, its not ugly :P

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Kazan:

heh

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Kazan:

problem is the code isn't working

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|Torg|:

if you can understnad what I wrote and think it lacks docuemntation call a technical writer

[19:03:23]

Kazan:

it seems to not want to send data from point a to point b

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|Torg|:

if it was hard for me to write it should be hard for you to use :P

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Kazan:

they were bitching at me for putting everything in void main()

[19:03:56]

Kazan:

naturally they failed to look at the one of the three classes that doesn't have a main() it's a child thread so it has a run()

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|Torg|:

so they were bitching about monolithic code?

[19:04:20]

Kazan:

yeah.. less than 200 lines in each file

[19:04:22]

Kazan:

and this is a CLI app.. so it's not like there is any reason for anything

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Kazan:

it's a simple CLI server/client pair for cs486

[19:04:51]

Kazan:

simple start, open listen socket, wait for connections – spawn thread to service on .accept()

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|Torg|:

most java programmers love to include entire class files, then when you tell them the program is bloated and runs like a snail they cant see why

[19:05:04]

Kazan:

and a simple client of start, connect, send command, await response, etc

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Kazan:

hehe

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Kazan:

most java programmers are small minded and defensive

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|Torg|:

java, write once, run nowhere

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Kazan:

yup

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Kazan:

i would have written this app pair in 30 minutes in C++ if the professor would have allowed me to use C++

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|Torg|:

java assumes we all have 1TB of memory, attahz cpus and are connected by fiber optics and dwdm

[19:06:22]

|Torg|:

the way you fix bad java is with more hardware

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Kazan:

they started bitching at me in ##java about "showing the style of a C++" programmer so i started tossing links to my sf.net CVS repository to wxWidgets GUIs i wrote for them to EAT CROW

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|Torg|:

out of curiosity, why are you doing it in java and not C or C++?

[19:07:06]

Kazan:

but remember.. C++ programmers know nothing about inheritance, polymorphism or other OOP concepts :D

[19:07:21]

Kazan:

because i'm required to by the moron professor who is the deputy chair of the department

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|Torg|:

write java with a file handle, pump out C++ code to that handle, then exec a compile from java :P

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Kazan:

i told ##java to choke on this: http://alliance.cvs.sourceforge.net/alliance/ . . . ;view=markup

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Kazan:

lol torg :D

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|Torg|:

umm thats C++ <not java

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|Torg|:

looks to be some sort of graphics program, outputing plots or similar

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Kazan:

yeah

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Kazan:

but what i wanted them to choke on was the OOP :D

[19:09:59]

Kazan:

and yes it is a graphics related program :D

[19:10:13]

Kazan:

it's a model metadata editor and model converter for FreeSpace 2

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|Torg|:

ahh well I just look at eh includes and see some computations for grapics and lump it into ----> its a graphics program....duhh

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|Torg|:

I thought you wanted to do sockets tho

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Kazan:

for this stupid java program yes

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Kazan:

in C++ i have my own stinking socketlib http://alliance.cvs.sourceforge.net/alliance/ . . . ;view=markup

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|Torg|:

did I menation im a storage infrastructure aritect not a progammer :P

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Kazan:

lol

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SerajewelKS:

i still prefer C#

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SerajewelKS:

for desktop apps anyway

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SerajewelKS:

i still use C, perl, PHP, java, you name it

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SerajewelKS:

i love mixing C and C# though

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|Torg|:

C# should not be menationed along with C or C++. it is an aberant language, hacked and slashed by microsoft, all to try to break what C was under the illusion of making it "easier" for windows programmers

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SerajewelKS:

in your opinion of course

[19:25:13]

SerajewelKS:

but yes, it's not in the same class as C or C++

[19:25:21]

SerajewelKS:

it is in the same class as java

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|Torg|:

EVERYTHING I say is my opinion :P

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SerajewelKS:

i've written an audio visualization platform in C#... or am writing, rather

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SerajewelKS:

using OpenGL. it is actually pretty fast, and is ridiculously easy to extend.

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SerajewelKS:

i was going to write it in C, but creating a plugin infrastructure was going to be complex as all hell, and media player connectivity was a whole different beast altogether

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SerajewelKS:

e.g. this is all you need to create a new effect: https://layla.chrishowie.com/svn/OpenVP/OpenVP.Core/Scope.cs

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sebrock:

ö

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SerajewelKS:

á

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SerajewelKS:

:(

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SerajewelKS:

¿Qué?

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sebrock:

If some part of a theme does not exist I guess MythTV uses the default stuff?

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plb:

iamlindoro: finally sorted out lirc issue

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plb:

I needed the cvs version

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sebrock:

Im looking for the png that is used for the folders in browser mode in video gallery

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sebrock:

but can't find it at all, are these some kind of default stuff?

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sebrock:

anyone knows which files are beeing used for this?

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iamlindoro_:

mv_gallery_folder_reg.png and mv_gallery_folder_sel.png

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iamlindoro_:

and you can either have them in your theme or it reverts to the default theme's

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KiSak:

ok, that's not fun

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KiSak:

something wiped out my user job 1

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KiSak:

in order to use asx stream / flash player in mythweb 0.21, does the video need to be transcoded first?

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xris:

KiSak: preferably not... ffmpeg can't really read nuv files

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KiSak:

so, what does it need?

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KiSak:

the most verbose feedback I;m getting is a one-liner from vlc "ts error: cannot peek"

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KiSak:

so something doesn't work properly with my revised script

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sebrock:

iamlindoro: yeah I saw that, but in what XML are they defined?

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SerajewelKS:

sweet

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SerajewelKS:

by transcoding an HD show to mpeg4, i saved -2gb!

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KiSak:

how can I catch what the output of the %variable% is, do I need to write a script that dumps them to a file?

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sebrock:

iamlindoro: nevermind, It seems it just trys to read it from the root of the theme otherwise uses default

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iamlindoro_:

sebrock, correct

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SerajewelKS:

so i lost quality and increased file size, woot

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Dagmar:

SerajewelKS: Having the 'coder interlace or deinterlace a video is another great way to do that

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Dagmar:

Don't feel bad you mucked it up

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|Torg|:

SerajewelKS: if it makes yu feel any better about a year agao I had the great idea of transcoding all my 1080I HD recordings removing all the 480I commericals to save space. After 4 hours I converted a 8G file into a 7.5G file, whee

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Dagmar:

I would just about kill if I could figure out what settings those warez monkeys use to get an hour long show down to ~300Mb without it sucking

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|Torg|:

they use mpg4 codecs with SEVERRE pixel loss

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: I get FAR worse when I try

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|Torg|:

spcifially its xvid, looks worse then SD 480I on an HD tv

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Dagmar:

Clearly, it's easy to tell what codec they used

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Dagmar:

The bitchy part is figuring out what method they used to implement it

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|Torg|:

Dagmar: if you want you can look it up on doom9

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iamlindoro_:

They also trade processing time for bitrate... with good filtering and two or even three pass, you can squeeze a lot into lower bitrates

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: Doom9 only talks about windows tools for it last I checked

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|Torg|:

it takes somewhre like 16 hours for my dual core 4ghz box to do just one, and looks like shit by the times im done

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|Torg|:

mencoder?

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Dagmar:

One can only assume

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SerajewelKS:

Dagmar: another great way to do what

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|Torg|:

you can try x264 farm, kills 4 boxes must more proficeintly then distcc every could

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Dagmar:

heheh

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Dagmar:

SerajewelKS: To burn a whole lotta processor cycles for something that doesn't get appreciably smaller

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Kazan:

|Torg|: my cs486 prof can eat me shorts.. got it fixed

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SerajewelKS:

Dagmar: ah

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Dagmar:

SCrew up the wrong way and you can have a file double in size

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SerajewelKS:

what quality settings should i use to transcode an hd episode into something reasonably high quality and small?

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|Torg|:

mencoder -ovc lavc -oac lavc -of mpeg -mpegopts format=xvcd -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video -o output.mpg source.mp4

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Dagmar:

Man I'm pasting that into a file just in case it works

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|Torg|:

eats cpu and quality like it was going out of style

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SerajewelKS:

mythtv really needs theora+vorbis support :)

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SerajewelKS:

is there a way from the frontend to tell what filename an episode has?

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Dagmar:

not for sane people

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Dagmar:

The easier thing is to go into MythWeb and look at the filename of the thumbnail

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SerajewelKS:

how about insane people

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Dagmar:

That number is afaik the channel id, an underscore, and the start time of the program

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|Torg|:

file names are channel_starttime

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Dagmar:

I know from the sheer preponderance of it in my filestore that SciFi's is 1057

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SerajewelKS:

ah

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: Is the start time in epoch time?

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|Torg|:

if you want to know what the episde was you have to query the database, there are some contrib files that does it for you

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xris:

start time is YYYYMMDDHHMMSS

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SerajewelKS:

there's a clip from the state of the union that is begging to be youtubed

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|Torg|:

no its in datatime format e.g 1051_20080102200000.mpg

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|Torg|:

1051 is my channel 5, atsc 5_1 off of my first card (NBC if you really want to know)

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Dagmar:

Freakish

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SerajewelKS:

is there a way to rearrange my channels?

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|Torg|:

it was recorded 2008/01/02/ at 20:00:00

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Dagmar:

I would have thought that it was yyyymmdd and so on, but I guess I was just blinded by all the damn filenames full of numbers

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SerajewelKS:

Dagmar: it is

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Dagmar:

Yeah I see that now

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Dagmar:

Somehow that leading "200" just evaded by eyeballs

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SerajewelKS:

oh i see what you meant, oops

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|Torg|:

yes Dagmar confuses me often eough too, esp when its thingks like on feb 2 at 8PM

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Dagmar:

hehe yeah

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SerajewelKS:

would it not be a bad idea for myth to, if a transcoded file is larger than the original, stick with the original?

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KiSak:

hey iamlindoro_

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SerajewelKS:

as solid as myth is, the transcoding feature seems kinda hackish

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Dagmar:

You haven't seen s**t yet

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Dagmar:

Dig into the code

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|Torg|:

transcoding of anything is kinda hackish since everyone nad his brother had their own codec

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Dagmar:

There's some serious "painted into a corner" action going on there

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Dagmar:

SerajewelKS: There is still nuvexport, which is a bit more reasonably

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Dagmar:

reasonable*

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|Torg|:

I want to know what is acceptable loss, deceint qality, more like 1G/hr not 8 transcoding

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xris:

SerajewelKS: mythtranscode is not for exporting.. it's just for making your recorded files smaller and/or removing commercials

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KiSak:

iamlindoro_: you provided me with EXTENSION=`basename "$1" | awk -F . '{print $NF}'` and I changed "basename "$1"" to "$FILENAME", that should have been something like "echo $FILENAME", right? is there something simplier?

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SerajewelKS:

xris: i know, but it made them bigger :)

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SerajewelKS:

7gb -> 9gb

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|Torg|:

maybe it fixed the rotten mpeg and added info :)

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|Torg|:

wna see a log of ffmpeg bitch and scram about lost mvs :P

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iamlindoro_:

KiSak, the example I provided you with takes a variable, $1, that is a filename plus extension, ie blah.mpg, and determines the extension from that. As long as the filename you feed it is in that format, $extension will be the extension.

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xris:

SerajewelKS: that's your fault for picking a higher bitrate for the transcode

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xris:

transcode doesn't mean "smaller".. it means "different"

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Dagmar:

...with a side order of "slow as balls"

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KiSak:

iamlindoro_: the filename was already captured earlier in the script, so I tried to use that variable

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iamlindoro_:

KiSak, should work fine so long as the variable you are feeding it is filename.extension

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iamlindoro_:

It works perfectly here ;)

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SerajewelKS:

xris: i know, i'm just saying it would be nice if myth looked at the files when it was done and say "huh, the newly-transcoded file is bigger, maybe i should ask before deleting the original"

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KiSak:

iamlindoro_: I was good enough to generate "/usr/bin/removecommercials: line 31: 1037_20080129130000.mpg: command not found"

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|Torg|:

SerajewelKS: you presume all users of myth transoced for the same reason, to make files smaller

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Dagmar:

SerajewelKS: to be honest, a lot of us just buy lots of disk

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iamlindoro_:

KiSak, sounds like you misplaced a tickmark

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|Torg|:

Dagmar: 2.5TB inst allot :P

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iamlindoro_:

post your script again

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Dagmar:

ALl I generally do is hairy-eyeball the cutlist and try to align it with keyframes, and then do the lossless transcode

[20:54:16]

Dagmar:

Is it still necessary to align it with keyframes?

[20:54:36]

Dagmar:

The build I did from about six months ago would basically not cut at exactly the point I selected unless I did that

[20:54:44]

|Torg|:

Dagmar: I gave up when I determined I was getting less then a 10% size reduction

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SerajewelKS:

Dagmar: haha

[20:55:04]

Dagmar:

|Torg|: Well, over what the PVR cards emit you can get it down to half that size with divx if you try

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SerajewelKS:

Dagmar: i do have quite a bit... over 800gb on this one box

[20:55:21]

Dagmar:

SerajewelKS: I'm up to 1.5Tb

[20:55:28]

SerajewelKS:

Dagmar: but it's shared

[20:55:29]

Dagmar:

...with another 500Gb that is what I am now using

[20:55:37]

Dagmar:

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAKE BACKUPS OF YOUR DATABASE

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xris:

SerajewelKS: if you're testing your settings, just turn off the auto-delete mechanism

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|Torg|:

Dagmar: my backups of mysql have nothign to do with religion :P

[20:56:13]

Dagmar:

I am the proud owner of 369 video files, all with numbers for names, that I have no @#$@!$! idea what they are

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Dagmar:

Yaaaay me

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SerajewelKS:

i have 65gb free on the partition i am using for myth

[20:57:00]

Dagmar:

Every episode of just about every science fiction thing shown for the last two years

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SerajewelKS:

it's my audio/video partition

[20:57:10]

KiSak:

iamlindoro_: http://pastebin.com/d2a25e2cf

[20:57:18]

justinh:

grrr python

[20:57:25]

Dagmar:

It's going to take so much time to figure out what those are now

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|Torg|:

dev/sda1 480640788 236318592 219907016 52% /rec/tv1

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|Torg|:

got 4 more, just like that

[20:57:52]

Dagmar:

I gotta do a time estimation and figure out whether or not it would be "faster" to just hit up Amazon for some DVD collections

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iamlindoro_:

KiSak, Why did you remove the basename command? that's why you're screwed here

[20:58:49]

justinh:

"Totem can now search and play YouTube videos and connect to a MythTV server and watch past recordings or view live TV" :O

[20:58:50]

SerajewelKS:

|Torg|: got a raid?

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iamlindoro_:

The line I pasted for you was "EXTENSION=`basename "$1" | awk -F . '{print $NF}'`"

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|Torg|:

SerajewelKS: yes and I undid it, I use storage groups now

[20:59:21]

KiSak:

iamlindoro_: because I already had the filename in $FILENAME

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: You might wanna just write that into pastebin so he can see the formatting

[20:59:49]

iamlindoro_:

KiSak, So if you change what I wrote, then why are you asking me why it doesn't work?

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iamlindoro_:

KiSak, It works as pasted, and any changes you make are on you

[21:00:07]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Because clearly, he doesn't understand it

[21:00:13]

iamlindoro_:

Dagmar, ;)

[21:00:20]

KiSak:

:D thanks iamlindoro__

[21:00:22]

Dagmar:

I'm not trying to be mean.

[21:00:53]

iamlindoro_:

KiSak, If you put basename back in instead of echo it ought to work

[21:01:00]

Dagmar:

I'm sayin' if you wrote it in pastebin so that he could see it as separate lines with less punctuation-that-non-programmers-don't-understand in it, he _might_ be able to sort out his problem on his own

[21:01:28]

iamlindoro_:

Dagmar, Yeah, fair enough

[21:01:39]

Dagmar:

Teach a man to fish and all that

[21:01:56]

justinh:

nah scary regex ftw

[21:01:57]

|Torg|:

<Dagmar> I'm not trying to be mean. <-- no, he is just built that way

[21:02:02]

KiSak:

iamlindoro_: the syntax in the comment immediately following the command is what failed

[21:02:03]

iamlindoro_:

Make a man a fire and he'll be warm for a night, set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

[21:02:10]

justinh:

lol iamlindoro_

[21:02:20]

justinh:

that's the kind of mood I'm in

[21:02:46]

Dagmar:

Whoa

[21:03:03]

Dagmar:

THAT was the other way of saying it I couldn't remember

[21:03:06]

Dagmar:

Damn, thanks you

[21:04:13]

Dagmar:

|Torg|: Well, no seriously. Some people get pissed off if you even mention that they don't know something

[21:04:34]

Dagmar:

It's no sweat to me if someone doesn't know bash scripting

[21:04:40]

iamlindoro_:

KiSak, So just to be clear, you've got it working now?

[21:05:07]

justinh:

Dagmar: now now, you know how much worse things really are here

[21:05:24]

Dagmar:

...but bash has this little tiny hump in it's learning curve that it's pretty easy to get most people over, where they can then well, be just good enough to be a danger to themselves with it

[21:05:37]

Dagmar:

...but they could do stuff like manipulate filenames and not have to ask people again

[21:05:47]

iamlindoro_:

and you understand why, right? Because of the way that line works, just putting the variable in followed by the pipe makes it try to execute variable $FILENAME as though it were an executable

[21:06:14]

KiSak:

the reason I brought it back up is because the script was failing on the same minute it started when called from mythbackend

[21:06:28]

Dagmar:

I'm just still trying to figure out why you were using . as a field separator

[21:06:58]

iamlindoro_:

Dagmar, because the point is to pull the extension out of filename.extension

[21:07:15]

KiSak:

iamlindoro_: I understand it well enough that I fixed that error before posting the script

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Dagmar:

There's a simpler way to do that

[21:09:54]

Dagmar:

A MUCH simpler way

[21:09:57]

Dagmar:

jesus

[21:11:00]

Dagmar:

So that's executing say, basename filename.mpg .mpg

[21:11:02]

Dagmar:

SEriously

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KiSak:

what?

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Dagmar:

echo filename.mpg | awk -F. '{ print $1 };'

[21:12:42]

Dagmar:

You're extracting the tail end of a string so that you can use *another* tool to use it to obtain the first half of the string?

[21:13:04]

KiSak:

?

[21:13:06]

KiSak:

no

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Dagmar:

OH!

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iamlindoro_:

Dagmar, he's using my example (which works just fine, btw) which was written to apply to another sae, where $1, the variable it was fed, was a filename with absolute path.

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KiSak:

I'm extracting the tail end of the string so that I can determine if it is mpeg2 or mpeg4

[21:13:42]

iamlindoro_:

er another case

[21:13:53]

Dagmar:

KiSak: I think the problem youw ere having is that there is *NO* space between the -F for awk, and the character being used as the field separator

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Ah okay that's more reasonable

[21:14:19]

iamlindoro_:

Dagmar, It works fine with the space

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Dagmar:

Hmm... I've never put a space in there before

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ThunderGod:

Yo i got a CPU question – on the myth tv page it recommends a 3.0ghz cpu, does it need the actual mhz or am I ok with something like an athlon 64 3800

[21:14:48]

Dagmar:

Too used to the way getops works I guess

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iamlindoro_:

His problem was he was originally doing EXTENSION=`$FILENAME | some other stuff`

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justinh:

KiSak: you should never rely on just the extension to find out what the filetype is. too many things make that mistake

[21:15:18]

iamlindoro_:

ie it was trying to run $FILENAME as an executable

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Dagmar:

At the moment my sed-fu is a little limp or I'd show how to do it in one stroke with sed

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justinh:

.mpg could be mpeg1, mpeg2, mpeg4.. anything, really

[21:15:38]

directhex:

ThunderGod, what kind of programming?

[21:15:39]

ThunderGod:

this is probably a stupid question – but if I don't confirm this I'll end up getting something and be pissed later when i have to upgrade again

[21:15:46]

Dagmar:

justinh: Ah yes let's tell him about sed and case structures. lol

[21:15:56]

ThunderGod:

standard def right now, but i want the option for HD

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directhex:

ThunderGod, US?

[21:16:03]

ThunderGod:

yes

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Dagmar:

...the `file` utility will tell you what something is, but it might as well be freetext

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directhex:

ThunderGod, single or dual core 3800+?

[21:16:20]

ThunderGod:

single

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justinh:

Dagmar: ffmpeg will tell you, but I think you really need sed & awk for that

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directhex:

ThunderGod, you're fine

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Dagmar:

justinh: Yep

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justinh:

not rocket science though

[21:16:47]

Dagmar:

It's a little cleaner in perl, but it just means fewer lines of commands

[21:16:57]

ThunderGod:

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 2.20GHz

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KiSak:

justinh: I understand that, and it can feel free to fail after the first iteration that the extention is under my control

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justinh:

oh noes you said the 'p' word. you'll scare noobs away

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iamlindoro_:

In KiSak's case it works okay because he's dealing with either files that were made from his pvr-150, or his framegrabber, so his nuvs *will* be mpeg-4, and his .mpgs *will* be mpeg-2

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ThunderGod:

thats the chip i am thinking of getting

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justinh:

KiSak: ok but if you were thinking about unleashing it into the wild, bear it in mind ;)

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Dagmar:

Irritatingly, imagemagick has a somewhat more useful 'identify' command, BUT...

[21:17:58]

directhex:

ThunderGod, probably okay. in short, US HDTV uses a low-quality but undemanding codec, so you can get away with a relatively low-power chip

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Dagmar:

It requires a retardedly old mpeg2decode binary

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|Torg|:

what kind of space would I get to convert all my mpeg2 to mpeg4?

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KiSak:

justinh: the closest it's going to get to the wild is here

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directhex:

|Torg|, depends on what bitrates you set!

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justinh:

|Torg|: with current svn, half as much again

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: Depedns on your source

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|Torg|:

source is ATSC 1080I and some 720P h262

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justinh:

oops I mean twice as much space taken up by the transcoded files

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KiSak:

I've never seen a h262

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Dagmar:

It's new

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Dagmar:

It uses rubberized electrons

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ThunderGod:

directhex – thanks. i may just bite the bullet when i get there and get an x2. I just hate to buy something and have to upgrade again in a year or 2

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directhex:

ThunderGod, i don't think myth's mpeg2 decoding is threaded

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justinh:

directhex: it isn't. not even with the patches

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ThunderGod:

directhex so i should stick with a 3ghz then

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justinh:

ThunderGod: so long as you don't try to use a lame VGA card...

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iamlindoro_:

read: ATI

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justinh:

e.g. ATI with no Xv..

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ThunderGod:

justinh yeah i was going to put in a geforce fx 5200 i have laying around

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ThunderGod:

i'm guessing it would qualify as lame

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justinh:

I hear that should be fine. certainly no less than a 5200 though

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justinh:

with nvidia binary drivers

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|Torg|:

so guys, im not stupid, I realise its bitrate related, but what I want was some numbers to play with, some examples to try to determine if it was "good enough"

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justinh:

|Torg|: best thing I can suggest is to experiment with short clips

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|Torg|:

justinh: shortest clips I have are 30 mins, 4G in size

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justinh:

I think to save half the space would be realistic. any more than that, optimistic

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ThunderGod:

Really I just want something I can play AVI files and other downloads on my bigscreen, but woud like to add in a tuner and other goodies down the road

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justinh:

depends on the encoding to a large degree. multipass always gives best results

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ThunderGod:

is multi-treading being worked on?

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justinh:

directhex: seen the dev list lately? what was I saying this afternoon?

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|Torg|:

justinh: do you have a transcode example I can try?

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justinh:

ThunderGod: multithreading is only really any use with sliced encoding

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ThunderGod:

justinh – ah

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justinh:

|Torg|: nope, but google has plenty. I tend not to squirrels files away – mostly all disposable ;)

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ThunderGod:

so an x2 would be pretty pointless as far as encoding video

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|Torg|:

yes justinh I chedk there first, mostly full of what h26x is, etc, ill dig deaper

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justinh:

I find ffmpeg pretty straightfoward

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justinh:

directhex: they're only talking about making tuners work on a windows backend :( I hope they fork it & leave mythtv alone

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directhex:

justinh, no idea, i wasn't paying attention this afternoon. this morning you said linux was gonna be marginalized though

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justinh:

time was, you want a pvr on windows you ran gbpvr, some snapstream crap or mediaportal. if you wanted mythtv you got into linux, hard lines. why change the status quo?

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tgm4883_laptop:

i'm trying to get a pvr-500 to work with 2 directv receivers connected through svideo. No matter which one I hook up to the second svideo connector, it will not work. I've switched both boxes and verified that the do in fact work on the first svideo connector. Is there any additional setup that I need to do for the second tuner? I did add the card twice in mythtv-setup (once for /dev/video0, once for /dev/video1)

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Dagmar:

Make sure you plugged the daughter connector into the right block

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Dagmar:

There were two on mine. Both unmarked.

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tgm4883_laptop:

hmm, there are two on mine too

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tgm4883_laptop:

i'll try switching it

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|Torg|:

ok I find many examples of mkv to h262 but nothing the other way, can anyone giv me an example of h262 to mkv?

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tgm4883_laptop:

yay

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tgm4883_laptop:

Dagmar, you rock. Switched it to header2 and it works. Thanks

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jduggan:

hmm

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jduggan:

can you get minipci-e tv cards?

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SerajewelKS:

man it takes youtube a long time to process a 5-sec video

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SerajewelKS:

here we go

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SerajewelKS:

anyone know who these two people are? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDYRbBzSSh0

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SerajewelKS:

i think the guy shaking hands is James Peake

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|Torg|:

which on do you mean, the guy shoking hands?

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SerajewelKS:

yes

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SerajewelKS:

i think he is Peake

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SerajewelKS:

i do not know who the guy he snubbed is

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|Torg|:

its james peake the head of the VA

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SerajewelKS:

but it's funny as hell

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|Torg|:

the one behind im I think is Paulson, but its too grainy to tell

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SerajewelKS:

in HD you can see his face go from "yay" to "fuck you, man"

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SerajewelKS:

i love how Peake looks at him for like a half second, then quickly moves on

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MythbuntuGuest47:

Hello, i have a problem... i have a ato 7000 ve grapiccard and when i connect it with the monitor it works correct. but when i connect a tv i can see the menue, but when i start a film it dont work. with mythtv

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MythbuntuGuest47:

when i connected the tv i have vesa driver but with the mnoitior it found teh correct drivers for my card

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MythbuntuGuest47:

have somebody an idear please?

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xris:

MythbuntuGuest47: hard-code the correct drivers?

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xris:

which drivers are you using?

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xris:

pretty sure that tv-out on an ATI card requires the binary driver set, and even then it doesn't work so well

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MythbuntuGuest47:

vesa with tv and with monitor the readon driver

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MythbuntuGuest47:

sorry gard-code? linux is new for me

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MythbuntuGuest47:

hard code

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directhex:

xris, i've done tv-out using the free driver before, MANY yhears ago

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directhex:

i was a youthful student, in my youth

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iamlindoro_:

full of youthiness

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xris:

MythbuntuGuest47: auto-detect isn't really a linux thing... usually you hard-code the driver/monitor config in /etc/X11/xorg.conf

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MythbuntuGuest47:

ah ok, where and what must i fill in?

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xris:

you fill in whatever is appropriate for your video card, your tv/monitor, etc.

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xris:

you also probably want to install the binary drivers from ati..

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opentrinity:

good night to me...

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opentrinity:

bye

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iamlindoro_:

ciao

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MythbuntuGuest47:

mhhh i have a old tv no flat, pherhaps 800x600 and 60hz

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MythbuntuGuest47:

please wait i hopend the file

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xris:

MythbuntuGuest47: I'll assume you're using mythbuntu, which means you might want to ask in #ubuntu about how to configure the ATI stuff

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xris:

analog TV settings depend on the tv itself and the video card driver... the tv itself will be less than 640x480 (you'd be lucky to get 512x384), but the video-out probably won't go smaller than that so 640x480 or 800x600 is fine

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MythbuntuGuest47:

i have but there say its a ubuntu think i try here

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iamlindoro_:

http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Wiki/Suche?action= . . . mp;value=ati

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iamlindoro_:

MythbuntuGuest47, That may help you

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iamlindoro_:

and http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/ATI-Grafikkarten/T . . . ht=%28ati%29

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iamlindoro_:

auf deutch ;)

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MythbuntuGuest47:

thanks i read

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MythbuntuGuest47:

das ist gut, danke :)

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xris:

MythbuntuGuest47: you in germany? might try #mythtv-de, too

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iamlindoro_:

bitte

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plb:

I've got a xml file with my local listings...how can I add it to mythtv?

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iamlindoro_:

mythfilldatabase --file filename.xml is a good place to start

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plb:

ah thanks

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iamlindoro_:

but that may or may not work out of the box, you may need to associate xmlids with channels first

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plb:

eh iamlindoro_ did you get my msg..got lirc solved ;l

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iamlindoro_:

plb, yeah, I saw, glad to hear it

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plb:

now to see if this works ;]

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stowaway-atwork:

hello

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plb:

hm ok

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plb:

the listing appear to go in mythtv but they don't line up with the channels when I tune them?

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iamlindoro_:

sounds sort of like xmlids are lined up with the wrong channels, you may need to edit that manually

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iamlindoro_:

ie, you are tuning and the channel number is correct, but it's the listing for another channel, right?

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plb:

well

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stowaway-atwork:

I installed mythbuntu last night. it would just goto a black screen when i used my pci-e video card. But when i used the onbuilt video card it worked. (and now is instaleld it does the same thing when it boots up) any idea how i install the pci-e card instead of using the onboard 1?

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iamlindoro_:

Ah... wait... you're in the US... Sorry, I don't troubleshoot listings for US users not using SchedulesDirect... that should get you on your way, though

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plb:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

stowaway-atwork, the simplest way is probably to disable to onboard video card in your bios

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stowaway-atwork:

ahhh.

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stowaway-atwork:

i should have tried that

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|Torg|:

ok prelimnary tests show I can do h262 ac3/mpeg2 to aac/h264 at a 3:1 size differnce with acceptable bitrates

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stowaway-atwork:

cool.

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stowaway-atwork:

iamlindoro_, yesterday you said i "shouldnt" mount my ntfs hard drive if it was internal to the computer.. I am eventually going to change it over to linux partition (whatever thats called?) but in the mean time i want to test it without changing it over.. is it possible to mount it and load the movie files in?

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iamlindoro_:

stowaway-atwork, yes, it's possible to mount it, but I strongly recommend that you mount it read-only... linux NTFS write support has come a long way, but I wouldn't trust it on anything you can't stand to lose

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iamlindoro_:

ubuntu should be able to handle mounting it pretty much out of the box.

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stowaway-atwork:

is it a simple command to do that?

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iamlindoro_:

stowaway-atwork, external or internal drive?

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|Torg|:

stowaway-atwork: I was using NTFS write support up to the time I got fead up with the speed (well lack thereof), it seems stable but I agree with iamlindoro_

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stowaway-atwork:

its internal. but i unplugged the cable when i was installing it. didnt watn to stuff it up.. so if i just plug it in should it detect or something?

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iamlindoro_:

likewise, I agree with |Torg|, I've certainyl used r/w on NTFS volumes quite a bit, but in retrospect Iw as definitely risking it

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iamlindoro_:

stowaway-atwork, You can plug it in, and it will probably require that you add a line to the file /etc/fstab

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stowaway-atwork:

Whats the command to edit a file in prompt? i tried edit yesterday with no luck

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iamlindoro_:

nano

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iamlindoro_:

well, there's tons, but for someone coming from windows, that's probably best

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stowaway-atwork:

i tried edit yesterday i think. and i didnt think that worked

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|Torg|:

stowaway-atwork: this depdns on your ultimate endgoal, if its migration off the drive untill you can find sutable placements of its files, then go ahead, if its editing docusmnts, or otherwise keep copes elsehere. If you want to migrate off tho its quite easy, mount it read only tar it up and compress that, then format the dreive to ext3 or other and extraxt the archive you used.

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.arsgeek.com/?p=675

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iamlindoro_:

That will teach you how to mount it, how to make it rw if you want to, etc.

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stowaway-atwork:

cool :) thanks alot. torg- ultmiate goal is to have it all linux partioned. but for now i jsut want to test it runnig the files. so read only is sweet.. Later on i will copy it to a windows computer. network it and copy it across. (That'll get my networking skills up to scratch)

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iamlindoro_:

stowaway-atwork, also issue the following command: mount.ntfs --help

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iamlindoro_:

If you just want to temporarily mount it to a mount point, you can do that in one command

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jduggan:

can you get 1xpci-e tv cards?

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stowaway-atwork:

ahh sweet.

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iamlindoro_:

mounting it so it comes back after a reboot will require reading that other guide I linked

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iamlindoro_:

jduggan, You can get them, but not with linux support

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jduggan:

sucks

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iamlindoro_:

There are one or two now with experimental drivers, though

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jduggan:

all the new boards are dropping PCI

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stowaway-atwork:

yeah ive got it. thanks again for ur help

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iamlindoro_:

HVR-1600 and 1800 I believe

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jduggan:

the new boards we use for rackmount are now 1 pci slot 2 1xpci-e and 1 16xpci-e

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iamlindoro_:

scratch that, only the 1800

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iamlindoro_:

but anyway, those drivers ought to be in the kernel in the next two iterations or so

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jduggan:

hmm

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jduggan:

are they the 'hybrid' cards?

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iamlindoro_:

The 1800 is dual tuner, so not hybrid per se, it's one discrete ATSC tuner and one discrete mpeg-2 encoding analog tuner

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iamlindoro_:

ie, both can record at the same time

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jduggan:

ah

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jduggan:

presumably there's a pal version

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plb:

hm it's weird the correct listings are in program guide and if I browse up and down but when I select a channel it says unknown channel

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jduggan:

for eu ppl

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jduggan:

anyway, time to get home

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jduggan:

laters

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CCFL_Man2:

analog tuners, heh

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|Torg|:

why in the hell they make analog tuners is beyond me

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directhex:

|Torg|, for rednecks in trailer parks who think digital is something to do with black rights

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|Torg|:

ha

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stowaway-atwork:

I havent had much time at all with mythbuntu.. but when they say frontend and backend. is the frontend the mythtv gui.. what is the backend?

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|Torg|:

the thing that store recodrings and makes them

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iamlindoro_:

the backend is the part that doesn't have a GUI that does all the work in the background, recording, scheduling etc

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|Torg|:

"all the work" is subjective tho :)

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|Torg|:

my FE is much more busy then the BEs are

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iamlindoro_:

It is when you cut out half the phrase

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iamlindoro_:

"all the work in the background"

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stowaway-atwork:

ahh. so somepeople use a seperate computer to do recording and scheduling?

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lostboy1:

greetings, i have a question on how to set deinterlacing when using ffmpeg for STD content and xvmc for HD content

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iamlindoro_:

stowaway-atwork, exactly right, the two can be on seperate computers

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stowaway-atwork:

but in my case the backend/frontend on the same puter. so ill set all ip addresses to the local computer.

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iamlindoro_:

correct

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stowaway-atwork:

cool.

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|Torg|:

stowaway-atwork: I in fact use 4, one is a databs server, not on unix. One is a FE that plays h262 and h264 (well sorta), and the other two are minimally used boxes that record HD TV

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lostboy1:

would i configure both kernel and bob as custom filters?

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|Torg|:

err my databse server IS on unix, not on linux :P

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stowaway-atwork:

my electricty bill is too expensive for that. i already have 2 puters running 24/7. they rack it up

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|Torg|:

all my systems, stroage arays, printers, TV and AV qupemnt, cost me maybe $50/month

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|Torg|:

right now I dont care about cooling, they actualy are what is heating my house, no furnace

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|Torg|:

in the Summer tho cooling them is significant

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stowaway-atwork:

im in australia. its bloody always hot here.

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directhex:

actually, cake to stowaway-atwork for working out the BE/FE split with minimal prompting

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CCFL_Man2:

what is the matrix?

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directhex:

CCFL_Man2, green

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|Torg|:

I live in Texas, its 16C here and yes we consider that cold

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directhex:

that's because you're crazy rednecks

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stowaway-atwork:

any1 here live in australia?

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stowaway-atwork:

or NZ?

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iamlindoro_:

stowaway-atwork, we have a few guys that do, but they are usually in a bit later

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iamlindoro_:

mzb, mzb_d800, rooaus etc.

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: digital tv downconverters and upconverters, you know anything about them?

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iamlindoro_:

CCFL_Man2, Nope

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iamlindoro_:

CCFL_Man2, Never had any in our headend, I'm afraid... I know they're expensive :)

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iamlindoro_:

good ones anyway

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iamlindoro_:

I know I'm angry when alleged HD movie channels play stuff that is *clearly* upconverted :)

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: what benefit would there be if i downconverted an atsc channel and upconverted it back on the same band and channel as it was downconverted on?

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iamlindoro_:

CCFL_Man2, No idea

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CCFL_Man2:

oh i mean rf upconverters and downconverters

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nuno__:

Hi all. I've recently installed Mythbuntu 7.10 with a ASUS MyCinema-P7131 and everything works well except...

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iamlindoro_:

CCFL_Man2, Still no idea ;)

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|Torg|:

CCFL_Man2: do yu mean take an ATSC stream, convert it to SD then try to convert it back to HD?

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nuno__:

...except that TVDirect doesn't has sound. However the problem is not the sound system as I can listen to music and stream TV.

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh, ok

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nuno__:

Any suggestions?

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iamlindoro_:

what the hell is tvdirect?

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nuno__:

I've found a more or less correct diagnostic of my problem (Razzing/tinny/metalic sound) but related to a VIA 8237 chipset which is not the case.

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nuno__:

For that case it seems that the problem was with the capture audio stream rate.

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nuno__:

I have tried the solution advertised there (changing the audio capture rate) but it didn't worked :-( Any advice?

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iamlindoro_:

ah, looks like it might be a particular channel or network in Portugal?

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iamlindoro_:

question still stands, what's TVDirect?

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nuno__:

Sorry, with tvdirect I mean picking the signal from a grabbing board, not internet streaming

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iamlindoro_:

Ah. Look in Utilities/Setup->Setup->General and play around with the sound settings there... in particular try switching off AC3 and DTS passthough, presuming you are capturing from a digital source like DVB-T or S

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nuno__:

Thank you. I am capturing an analog TV signal.

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iamlindoro_:

still, that page is where you want to look, it's where all of mythtv's sound settings are

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, home I go

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bagpuss_thecat:

oooh, backend has vanished

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bagpuss_thecat:

anyone care to diagnose the following? it's all foreign language to me...

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bagpuss_thecat:

output of -v all,nodatabase is here http://pastebin.com/m4ce11dbd

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stowaway-atwork:

are there any decent emulators on linux so i can set my media centre up as a game console too. (ie EA games) or am i best to have 2 partions 1 wiht winxp and 1 with mythbuntu

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directhex:

emulators of which platform?

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stowaway-atwork:

xp

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GreyFoxx:

there are several game console emulators. just a few are mentioned here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configur . . . me_Emulation

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stowaway-atwork:

really? cool.

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stowaway-atwork:

it can emulate ps2 and xbox ?

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directhex:

ah, right. wine's... very per-application, and not well suited to simple use

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cal_:

anyone happen how to change the background on X? (fluxbox wm)

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GreyFoxx:

no idea, never looked for one of those platforms

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directhex:

wait, you want ps2 emulation? what happened to xp emulation?

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stowaway-atwork:

no i want xp

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stowaway-atwork:

but just greyfoxx said sevral game consoles

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directhex:

http://www.zophar.net/unix/unix.phtml

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zabadapp:

cal_: xsetroot ? fbsetbg ?

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cal_:

zab, thanks

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jamesd:

cal_, are you sure that fluxbox is far too advanced and bloated to use with a 21st century application like mythtv

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cal_:

james: *too* advanced? lol

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tgm4883_laptop:

is anyone successfully using a mceusb2 blaster to change the channel on a directv receiver

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883_laptop: I am just running off on a run but yes, I have use mceusb2 to change a DTV receiver

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iamlindoro:

er have used

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iamlindoro:

I had to irrecord my remote codes as I recall, let me see if I can pastebin them before I leave

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tgm4883_laptop:

iamlindoro, thats great. I can change the channels, kinda. Do you happen to still have the channel change script?

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883_laptop: I still use my same channel change script as always, hang on

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tgm4883_laptop:

sweet, thanks

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zabadapp:

in mythwebs settings: GuiVidModeResolution ... is that the osd overlay res?

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GreyFoxx:

zabadapp: no

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GreyFoxx:

I think that's for xrandr support. So myth will use different X resolutions for the menus than it does for video playback

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zabadapp:

ah, ok

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iamlindoro_:

tgm4883_laptop: http://www.pastebin.ca/881663

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iamlindoro_:

and off I go, good luck

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tgm4883_laptop:

thanks

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