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Sunday, January 27th, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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opentrinity:

good night.... for me....

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opentrinity:

bye

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cheslssw:

how do I change my myth from atsc to ntsc?

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CCFL_Man2:

cheslssw: analog cable tv is crap, you know

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cheslssw:

trying to get my myth tv up and running on verizon fios

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CCFL_Man2:

you just have the analog channel package?

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cheslssw:

I have an pchdtv 5500 card and trying to get it running. having trouble scanning channels

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CCFL_Man2:

it won't pick up any analog channels?

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cheslssw:

it's not picking up nothing

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xanderp:

schedules direct question: i have analog cable, and can tune both than and the cable channel's HD 'free' digital channels on my backend. for listings on the 'free' digital channels, what listing do I pick for those? The cable company digital lineup, the local 'broadcast' channles, or should they show up in the analog listings?

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CCFL_Man2:

but you pick up channels on a regular tv?

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cheslssw:

yeah

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CCFL_Man2:

xanderp: you use the data from the analog locals unless there are other sub channels within the hd channels

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CCFL_Man2:

cheslssw: you sure you are scanning the proper band?

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xanderp:

CCFL_Man2: i've got channels like 6.1, 13.1 13.2 etc... are those sub-channels?

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CCFL_Man2:

xanderp: 13.2 is the sub channel

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CCFL_Man2:

xanderp: your best bet is to get data for the off air DT channels

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CCFL_Man2:

what card you using?

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xanderp:

uggh... that's only getting like 1 day of programming.

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cheslssw:

channel frequency us cable

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xanderp:

pchdtv5500 and an avermedia card

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cheslssw:

and tv format ntsc

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cheslssw:

i have verizon fios in ny

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CCFL_Man2:

cheslssw: check your cables, etc?

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cheslssw:

double checked

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CCFL_Man2:

xanderp: ahh, nice

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cheslssw:

i just deleted the inputs and the cards

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cheslssw:

to start over

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CCFL_Man2:

cheslssw: the line feeding your card works fine if you connect it to a tv?

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cheslssw:

im back in general using the channel frequency to us-cable

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cheslssw:

yup i can get a signal in a tv

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CCFL_Man2:

us-cable should be the one

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xanderp:

i've also got 2 pvr150's and a pvr350, but not messing with those right now

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CCFL_Man2:

xanderp: i'm amazed cable companies offer in the clear qam

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CCFL_Man2:

xanderp: most atsc epg data from the air is only for 12 hours or so

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CCFL_Man2:

xanderp: but schedules direct should have more

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xanderp:

wondering how to setup backend to do both ATSC and NTSC... the channel scan I did with the 5500's analog tuner didn't appear to get all my cable channels

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cheslssw:

hmm

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cheslssw:

trying again

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xanderp:

found it...

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xanderp:

needed to setup that tuner not to use 'default'

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cheslssw:

always use dvt dtv for the pchdtv5500?

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cheslssw:

*dvb

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CCFL_Man2:

yeah, atsc is seen as dvb

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xanderp:

cheslssw: there's also the second /dev/video on it that can do NTSC

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cheslssw:

even though in general im using ntsc

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xanderp:

cheslssw: use the 'analog' setup option of the 5500 after you define the DVB stuff to setup the NTSC stuff

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cheslssw:

ok

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blackest:

heres a thing i got a slave backend but it can't sync to the current schema dispite being from the same source , i was thinking perhaps if i set it up as an independant backend frontend it would update and then i can revert it back to a slave, what do ya rekon worth a try or anyone got a better idea ?

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xanderp:

ok, what's the fix for updating the channel names from the 'adding channels' that the scan sets their name to?

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blackest:

xanderp phpmyadmin

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xanderp:

script?

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blackest:

i wish

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blackest:

actually wouldnt be too hard to generate a query if you want just a different default

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xanderp:

wondering why after I scan channels, and then do update listing from schedules direct why doesn't the schedule direct name overwrite the name?

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blackest:

that i dont know

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xanderp:

seems like updating the listings would pull in the channel names fresh

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xanderp:

(or at least an option to do so)

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blackest:

it might take a look at the channels table

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blackest:

its probably got the proper name in one col and another as the display name

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xanderp:

i'm off to channel editor to at least remove the 'adding channel' part of the name :(

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blackest:

you can probably run a query to return all channels with that value and then insert a replacement

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** xanderp is not a mysql guy... **

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blackest:

phpadmin will generate a basic replace query when you do one

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blackest:

you just need to tell it to do it for all occurances

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cheslssw:

still not getting anything with all the channels that we try

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xanderp:

phpadmin or mysqladmin?

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blackest:

either would do

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xanderp:

any idea what 'useonairguide' on mythweb will do to my lineup?

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justinh:

xanderp: means 'use on air guide data' if it's available on the video source

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** xanderp doing research (x=100; x=x-1 do 'google is my friend' **

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xanderp:

while x>0

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xanderp:

hehe

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justinh:

xanderp: if you don't have a digital tuner (no, firewire doesn't count) and you're not in Europe, don't worry about that column

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: oh, mythtv can use guide data fromthe video source, like EIT on dvb or atsc?

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justinh:

CCFL_Man2: no that IS EIT data. 'onairguide'

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: ahh, neat

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blackest:

justinh you come across this wrong db schema problem before ?

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justinh:

blackest: yeah. mixed versions. nasty

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CCFL_Man2:

in my area the EIT on atsc channels is only up to 12 hours or so

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blackest:

weird this because the source is the same

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justinh:

blackest: or you downgraded the software but didn't restore the backup of the db from before the upgrade

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justinh:

I don't believe trunk builds in packages are a good idea

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blackest:

i can only think that on the first run theres an upgrade sorted between the frontend and backend

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justinh:

blackest: dbcheck.cpp is run by mythtv-setup, mythbackend or mythfrontend

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justinh:

1st run of mythbackend should bring it up to mythbackend source's date

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justinh:

if you have mixed versions.. screeeeeeeeeee!

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blackest:

well they are all on the same blinkin build

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justinh:

blackest: this isn't the 1st time you've had problems in that area

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justinh:

I'd be asking serious questions to the source of the packages

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blackest:

its an on going problem i get to work on at weekends

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justinh:

fwiw just build from source. be in control of what you get

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blackest:

last week it was slave 1205 rest of the sys 1207 this week its slave 1205 rest of the sys 1208

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justinh:

apt-get build-dep takes care of 99% of build dependencies

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justinh:

mythweb isn't _that_ hard to make work, but ubuntu's apache config does its bit to stall you

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xanderp:

as for my question about the 'adding channel X' problem, my good buddy google g. google told me that I could run this 'mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates' I did that and it DID update my channel names!

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blackest:

so my cunning scheme is to build the slave in parallel with its own db and frontend and see if it updates the schema to 1208

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xanderp:

most of them appear to have names now...

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blackest:

if it does then i just tell it to forget that db and join in the fun with the rest of the lan

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xanderp:

not sure about channel icons, but that's just icing on the cake

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xanderp:

odd that some of the channels didn't pull names... maybe the listings on SD don't have them, i'll have to check.

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personwholives:

hello

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CCFL_Man2:

personwholives: hello, you are a person who lives, i assume?

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personwholives:

yes, that is a reasonable assumption

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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personwholives:

Anyway, I need a bit of help. I have a mythtv install which is working quite well, with a couple of annoyances.

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personwholives:

mythbackend doesn't start at boot.

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personwholives:

in fact, it won't start at all when run from the init script.

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personwholives:

it gives me a could not connect to DB, followed by an exit

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personwholives:

However, when I run it from the command line directly, it starts just fine

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personwholives:

any thoughts?

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matt__:

i've configured my lirc.conf and ~/.mythtv/lircrc. i have 2 buttons bound to "LEFT" and "RIGHT", one of the buttons on my remote works the other one doesnt

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matt__:

has anyone had this problem?

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matt__:

i'm using the remote that came with my happauge pvr 150

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matt__:

the same configuration was working before i reinstalled

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fedorared:

Argh. Sometimes my pvr 150 freaks out and ivtv gets all these DMA TIMEOUTs and I get general protection faults and mythbackend stops working. http://f3dora.org/paste/1156

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matt__:

http://pastebin.ca/874042

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matt__:

that is my lirc.conf and lircrc

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matt__:

i'm at a loss

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matt__:

personwholives, try this: sudo touch /etc/mythtv/session-settings

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matt__:

then see if it works

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personwholives:

ummm....that file does not exist on my system.....

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matt__:

which file?

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personwholives:

session-settings

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matt__:

i know

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matt__:

open up a command line

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matt__:

or terminal or what ever

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matt__:

what OS are you on?

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personwholives:

create empty file with that name

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personwholives:

ubuntu

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matt__:

yes

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matt__:

open a terminal

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matt__:

once it opens type: sudo touch /etc/mythtv/session-settings

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matt__:

enter your password

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matt__:

then retry myth

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personwholives:

same thing

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matt__:

from the command line type

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matt__:

mythfrontend --service

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personwholives:

my frontend is working fine

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matt__:

oh

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matt__:

then what's the problem?

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personwholives:

backend is failing to start

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matt__:

hmm

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matt__:

if you do

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matt__:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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matt__:

what happens?

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personwholives:

it bails out

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personwholives:

in the log i get "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)"

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J-e-f-f-A:

fedorared: You don't have a cooling/overheating problem do you? Maybe the card's getting too hot?

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matt__:

tail -n 20 /var/log/syslog

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matt__:

ok

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matt__:

do this

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personwholives:

thats in the mythbackend.log file

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matt__:

go into add/remove under the applications menu

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matt__:

do a search for SQL

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matt__:

you will see a package for mysql administrator

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matt__:

or something like that

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matt__:

install that program

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matt__:

let me know when you're done

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personwholives:

ok, done

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matt__:

k go to Applications>Programming>MySQL Adminitrator

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matt__:

for host put localhost

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matt__:

for user put root

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matt__:

and for password, enter your mysql root password

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matt__:

got it?

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personwholives:

hrm...i seem to have forgotten what password i used for root for this.

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personwholives:

not the best idea

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matt__:

lol

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matt__:

try no password

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matt__:

see if that works

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personwholives:

no....

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matt__:

=[

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matt__:

hold on

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personwholives:

i don't suppose theres a way to reset that without clearing my db

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AndyCap:

personwholives: google will probably find you a solution from the mysql manual

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personwholives:

yep, found one

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personwholives:

give me a sec....

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matt__:

http://ubuntu.flowconsult.at/en/mysql-set-cha . . . ot-password/

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matt__:

use those directions and let me know when you're done

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fedorared:

J-e-f-f-A: Perhaps. Sensors say 52 C with the CPU is 43 C.

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clever:

2008-01–26 21:41:39.844 AFD Error: Could not find codec parameters. file was "/media/mainlv/mythtv/1011_20080126210000.mpg".

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clever:

2008-01–26 21:41:39.844 Couldn't open decoder for: /media/mainlv/mythtv/1011_20080126210000.mpg

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clever:

i allways forgot the -v when that happens!

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fedorared:

I suppose I could forgo folding proteins or serching for ET to reduce processor usage.

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fedorared:

And therfore heat.

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matt__:

enemy territory?

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matt__:

personwholives, all set?

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justinh:

extra terrestrials. i.e. SETI@home

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J-e-f-f-A:

fedorared: Well, you could also put a fan inside the case blowing onto the pvr-150 to see if that helps. If it doesn't, then it's most likely not a heat issue...

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** J-e-f-f-A 's backend is pretty loud... 4 fans, not including the power supply and cpu... ;-) But no overheating problems, and it's in the basement... ;-) **

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personwholives:

yep, now i am

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: my P4 backend is pretty loud

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: when i do have it off the room is oddly silent

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matt__:

ok, now write down your root password

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personwholives:

lol

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matt__:

and retry that MySQL Administrator program

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: hehe... Mine's an Athlon 64 x2 4600+ ;-)

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personwholives:

I am in the admin program

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: also my core2duo laptop puts out a fair ammount of heat from the cpu fan

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personwholives:

hopefully I won't forget the password again

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matt__:

ok

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clever:

could probly heat a room with it!

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matt__:

did you login?

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personwholives:

yep

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matt__:

ok

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matt__:

click on users

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matt__:

then on the bottom left you will see "mythtv"

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matt__:

in the user list

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matt__:

click on it

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personwholives:

ok

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matt__:

ok

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matt__:

now in a terminal

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matt__:

sudo cat /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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matt__:

copy the password entry and use the administrator program to set the mythtv user's password to that

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personwholives:

ok

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matt__:

should be like 8 random char's or so

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matt__:

got it?

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matt__:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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matt__:

personwholives ?

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personwholives:

still no luck

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matt__:

wtf?

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matt__:

error = ?

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personwholives:

still not connecting to the db

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matt__:

show me what you set the password to

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personwholives:

rdrxlpyp

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matt__:

that's EXACTLY the password in mysql.txt?

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matt__:

case sensitive

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personwholives:

yep

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personwholives:

copy pasted

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matt__:

you're sure you changed it in the admin program?

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matt__:

for the user "mythtv"

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personwholives:

yep

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matt__:

did you run mythtv-setup ?

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personwholives:

yeah, but not since I installed mythtv

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matt__:

try running it again

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personwholives:

ummm....I got a segfault during mythtv-setup

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matt__:

is this your orig setup?

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personwholives:

yeah

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matt__:

has it ever run?

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personwholives:

I don't know if the backend ever run

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matt__:

ok, so you're setting this up now for the first time

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matt__:

never ran or anything?

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personwholives:

i have run it, but it never worked on the autorun on boot

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matt__:

do you have any recordings or anything

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personwholives:

no

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matt__:

did you use mysql for anything else?

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personwholives:

I use it mainly as a media server

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matt__:

??

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matt__:

that didnt answer my question

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personwholives:

no, nothing else in the db

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matt__:

k

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personwholives:

just playlists and such

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matt__:

try purging everything and reinstall

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matt__:

lol

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matt__:

you did install from Add/Remove right?

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personwholives:

yeah i did

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matt__:

i'de say purge mysql and mythtv

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matt__:

i think its

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matt__:

sudo apt-get purge mysqld

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matt__:

sudo apt-get purge mythtv-frontend

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matt__:

sudo apt-get purge mythtv-backend

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matt__:

i could be wrong though

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matt__:

brb

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matt__:

can some one help me with my remote issue?

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matt__:

i have 2 buttons on my remote for both fast forward and rewind. all four are bound to LEFT and RIGHT respectively. my lirc.conf has the correct button addresses. yet one set of the buttons dont work. I have the happague pvr 150 w/ grey remote.

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personwholives:

ok, i fixed it....the setup program ran, and no the backend seems to want to start from the script.

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matt__:

my config file: http://pastebin.ca/874042

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personwholives:

I had to change the password in the setup file

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personwholives:

ummm...program, not file

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matt__:

anyone? ;[

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personwholives:

matt__, thank you very much for your help.

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matt__:

n/p =]

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nacho-:

hi there lads, i'm just setting up mythtv on a fedora core 7 box, and running ./configure is throwing an error

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nacho-:

./configure: line 3388: qmake: command not found

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nacho-:

i have no idea what that means :(

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otwin:

nacho-: you're probably missing dependencies – read the docs

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otwin:

nacho-: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.2 &nd ash; and do you have a good reason not to use binaries?

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boggystudios:

I can't seem to get apache to follow the symlink to /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb

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boggystudios:

does anyone here know how to do this?

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otwin:

boggystudios: how did you config apache=

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otwin:

?

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otwin:

hmm, yeah, 2 minutes wait is a bit to much for support – sorry, my fault....

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J-e-f-f-A:

otwin: hehe... I was giving him the benefit of the doubt – thinking he lost his connection, but since he didn't come back, he was just impatient... ;-)

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nacho-:

guys i'm trying to install the libdca-devel package through yum

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nacho-:

and it's throwing this error

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otwin:

J-e-f-f-A: heh

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nacho-:

file /usr/include/dts.h from install of libdca-devel-0.0.2–3.lv7 conflicts with file from package libdts-devel-0.0.3–0.20040826.1ark

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nacho-:

do you have any idea how i can fix that up :(

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amrit|car is now known as amrit

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roothorick:

I'm getting jitters and sound cutting out when playing DVDs using the internal player. Any ideas?

[03:03:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

amrit: You chat on IRC in your car? ;-)

[03:04:23]

amrit:

J-e-f-f-A: hopefully, when i make some progress on my project car ;D

[03:04:26]

amrit:

was just working on it today

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J-e-f-f-A:

amrit: I built a 'small form factor' pc for my car years ago for mp3's.... Now I just have an in-dash dvd that does it... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

amrit: (along with my iPod... ;-) )

[03:06:39]

amrit:

J-e-f-f-A: hehe, yeah, i use an mp3 player->aux input on my newer car.. but for the old car, a pc is gonna be really helpful because of all the tunable electronics that are going into it. no need to carry a laptop, etc. and the mp3/ogg/flac/www+evdo is just icing :)

[03:10:38]

otwin:

i'm glad that my commute isn't long enough to miss mythtv :-)

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ben_goodger:

good evening

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ben_goodger:

can anyone identify this tv card and speculate on its functioning with mythtv? :)

[03:14:25]

ben_goodger:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ITAG=FAQ& . . . amp;doy=27m1

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J-e-f-f-A:

ben_goodger: ^^^ Link doesn't work for me in the US... times out...

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otwin:

if documentation is limited to 'Dual Digital (DVB-T) PCTV Card' it's impossible to tell if it works under linux. do you actually have this card?

[03:17:45]

ben_goodger:

no, my friend was looking to buy it

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ben_goodger:

I was hoping someone would recognise it from the picture...

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justinh:

ben_goodger: nope. no way no way

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justinh:

pci-e. unsupported in linux

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ben_goodger:

surely you don't mean the bus

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justinh:

just get 2 of http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . amp;doy=27m1 instead. cheaper

[03:19:13]

justinh:

no i mean the tuner card

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ben_goodger:

good

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justinh:

ben_goodger: bought a http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . amp;doy=27m1 – works with modules from hg

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justinh:

ben_goodger: give me some credit ffs

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justinh:

I might be a sort of muppet but I don't spread FUD like that :P

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ben_goodger:

I was rather hoping

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justinh:

ben_goodger: until chipset makers start playing the game of hand the datasheets to linux driver guys...

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ben_goodger:

indeed

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ben_goodger:

hopefully AMD's and Intel's recent decisions will poke them a bit

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justinh:

ah wait. I'll look int driver source

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justinh:

arse. that box isn't powered up

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ben_goodger:

sorry, I'm a tad tired: close to bed time

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justinh:

wiki isn't up to date at linuxtv. damn lazy users

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ben_goodger:

:)

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justinh:

the devs keep an up to date list in the source somewhere

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justinh:

I don't think anything pci-e is supported in linux yet tuner wise though

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ben_goodger:

activity and devs aren't everything

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ben_goodger:

I wouldn't be surprised

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ben_goodger:

I didn't even notice the -e

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justinh:

hey the linuxtv dev guys do a hell of a lot – can't expect them to do all that _and_ keep the wiki up to date

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justinh:

same with mythtv actually

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ben_goodger:

it wouldn't occur to me to have it on anything but IDE

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ben_goodger:

*PCI

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ben_goodger:

told you I was sleepy

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

way past my bedtime too. been looking in the myth source for the root cause of a bug

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justinh:

have to add some VERBOSE messages to see if something happens or not, then do further head scratching. new ui library isn't redrawing the screen if the qt painter is used

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ben_goodger:

it might not be past my bedtime, but that's too complex to go through now

[03:25:05]

ben_goodger:

heh

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justinh:

can recommend the card I linked to though.. nifty for 20 squids

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ben_goodger:

I could say something quite cruel about not wanting to have it draw anything with qt

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ben_goodger:

ok then, thanks :)

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justinh:

not supported out of the box on ubuntu

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ben_goodger:

heh

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justinh:

but hg isn't rocket science to make

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roothorick:

ogle and Myth are both pissing me off

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ben_goodger:

people use ubuntu for serious purposes?

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justinh:

ben_goodger: I hate the opengl painter for its fade. I wanna do something about that eventually too

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ben_goodger:

nonetheless, I shall tell him to get the AVerTV one as soon as the msn messenger network stops arsing around

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ben_goodger:

thanks for the advice

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justinh:

pfft

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justinh:

messenger. blech

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ben_goodger:

quite.

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ben_goodger:

it appeared to start working again, so he closed gmail

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** ben_goodger thanks gods for pidgin **

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justinh:

most IM is a PITA

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justinh:

nobody on when you wanna speak.. and when you're busy.. ping!

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ben_goodger:

I use it as a primary communication method for most of my friends, actually

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justinh:

still, better n arsebook

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otwin:

ben_goodger: at least ubuntu is apt-get based... imho .deb > .rpm – whatever distribution

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roothorick:

IMO, portage beats all ;)

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roothorick:

anyway, back to fighting with my MythTV box

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ben_goodger:

otwin: of course, but aptitude and dpkg are both better in debian

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ben_goodger:

some of my friends live in australia, the us, germany, china... not all of them speak english, my spoken esperanto's crap, and I hate telephones

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ben_goodger:

so IM is quite good for me

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otwin:

roothorick: i don't have time to compile everything from source – and if you don't you don't need gentoo

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ben_goodger:

heheh

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ben_goodger:

it's writing my own xorg.conf that I objected to, I recall

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ben_goodger:

I know it does it automatically now, but meh

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justinh:

ben_goodger: grabbing the source now to have a looksy

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ben_goodger:

thanks :)

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justinh:

as much for my own curiosity as anything else

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ben_goodger:

there's not an awful lot of point given the recommendation, but thanks nonetheless

[03:35:17]

justinh:

ben_goodger: nope. not in the big list

[03:35:30]

ben_goodger:

hokai

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ben_goodger:

msn is back, telling him now

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ben_goodger:

(03:35:04) Ben: either: pcie tv cards are not supported at all in linux, as the chipset manufacturers do not hand over enough specs, or: pcie cards work slightly, but individual card support is questionable, or: the card cannot be identified, even vaguely

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ben_goodger:

(03:35:21) John: O_o

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justinh:

ben_goodger: card is the kworld thing mentioned on the linuxtv mailing list. been around a good while now

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ben_goodger:

ok

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justinh:

only dual dvb-t tuner supported in linux right now is the hauppauge nova-t500 but the 'd' version most definitely isn't and is unlikely to ever be. nova-t500 good, nova-td500 bad

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** roothorick repeatedly bashes his head against the wall **

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roothorick:

is smooth DVD playback with AC3 passthrough REALLY too much to ask?

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** ben_goodger assists roothorick **

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ben_goodger:

it is on current kernels, by all accounts: the scheduler is apparently biased toward bigiron and is not very good at handling undemanding low-latency tasks such as... well, dvd playback

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roothorick:

haha

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justinh:

roothorick: not a problem on my current frontend. hell it wasn't even a problem for my shitty epia

[03:40:55]

roothorick:

so should I go for the "low-latency desktop" preemption setting?

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ben_goodger:

ya

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roothorick:

justinh: I'm getting stuttering with the internal player with or without AC3 passthrough

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roothorick:

and OGLE doesn't like a large number of disks

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ben_goodger:

justinh: do you think the nova-t500 will be supported out-of-box on that rubbish^W^Wubuntu?

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justinh:

ben_goodger: no way

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roothorick:

and I can't for the life of me figure out how to get VLC to do AC3 passthrough

[03:42:21]

ben_goodger:

simple compile as with the badly capitalised thing, perchance?

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justinh:

roothorick: xine ftw if myth can't play it itself

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MoeGreen:

hey guys

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roothorick:

oh yes, there's xine

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roothorick:

forgot about that one

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justinh:

how could you forget about xine? :-O

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roothorick:

xine does DVD menus now doesn't it?

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MoeGreen:

just installed mythbuntu and the graphics are running so slow with my http://www2.pny.com/8500-GT-512MB-PCIe-P2322C269.aspx

[03:43:17]

MoeGreen:

does that make sense?

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justinh:

roothorick: done dvd menus for as long as I've used it

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MoeGreen:

i thought it would of been plenty fast

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justinh:

MoeGreen: you've not got the nvidia (restricted) driver installed I'll bet

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ben_goodger:

do you actually have the requisite graphics drivers installed?

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justinh:

MoeGreen: see the ubuntu docs about installingthe restricted nvidia driver

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** justinh goes to bed. g'night **

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MoeGreen:

thats what i was thinking but the install/setup didnt have them listed and it just used the default..so you guys are probably right ill chek the docs.

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MoeGreen:

would it be in the generic manual for mythbuntu

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otwin:

about that popular epia bashing: yes I wouldn't buy one today – but i bought my board 4–5 years ago and there definitely was no better hw to do the job for that price/noise/size.

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MoeGreen:

should i just get http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_169.09.html

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squish102:

an amd 64 +3500 with a nvidia 6150 card with restriced drivers would use like 60% cpu with HD playback?

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ben_goodger:

MoeGreen: noo!

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ben_goodger:

see canonical's official documentation on how to install the driver

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MoeGreen:

awesome thx

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ben_goodger:

the recent ones have a tick-box in the display configurator, I think

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squish102:

MoeGreen on ubuntu?

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MoeGreen:

ya mythbuntu

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MoeGreen:

got a link?

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squish102:

and u want to get the nvidia restricted driver installed?

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MoeGreen:

ya cause i have an 8500gt which i know is powerful enough, but you can tell its lagging

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squish102:

go system -> administration -> resstricted drivers manager and

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ben_goodger:

this is in the rendering of the menu interface with the opengl painter, or in video playback?

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MoeGreen:

everygthing..the menu is slow, and when watching tv it slows down in spots every 2–3 seconds

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squish102:

and enable the restricted driver

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ben_goodger:

open the system monitor and read what the load averages are

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MoeGreen:

ok i just enabled and its rebooting

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ben_goodger:

rebooting?

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ben_goodger:

!!

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MoeGreen:

it said it had to

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** ben_goodger rolls eyes and wanders off muttering rudely **

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** ben_goodger returns with caffeine **

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ben_goodger:

rebooted yet?

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roothorick:

caffeine, haha

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roothorick:

I'll start hitting the caffeine pretty hard come morning

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ben_goodger:

this is expected

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MoeGreen:

ya

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ben_goodger:

MoeGreen: any luck?

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MoeGreen:

its better in the menus but man it could be just a little better for the tv part

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MoeGreen:

probably nothing else i can try but that driver huh?

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ben_goodger:

hm

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ben_goodger:

presumably you have a decent HDD connection, i.e. dma or sata

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unstable:

Can MythTV parse all channels I have from my cable company, for the next week say, and parse the titles against IMDB, with imdbpy or something..and give me a list of movies rated higher than 7.0/10

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ben_goodger:

the video isn't being loaded over a network or anything?

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MoeGreen:

ya ide, but the weird thing was. Yesterday i ran knoppmyth and it ran perfect.

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ben_goodger:

ha

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MoeGreen:

I was told to install mythbuntu because it worked better with homemade remotes.

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MoeGreen:

i couldnt get my remote to work in knopp so...

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cesman:

nice to know it ran perfectly :)

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ben_goodger:

right, I'm going to bed

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ben_goodger:

good morning

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cesman:

unstable: if you use MythWeb, you can have it search movies rated from 0 to 4 stars

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inkynoob:

Hello, when I play a video in mythvideo my keyboard doesn't respond until the video is over, at which point it works as normal. Any ideas of what I could check?

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inkynoob:

Ok, the above in on an Xbox running Linux. The keyboard does work when playing videos if I unplug the Xbox controller. Since the Xbox controller is seen by Linux as a joystick, I think the problem is making Mplayer pay attention to the keyboard instead of the joystick

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GreyFoxx:

Sounds like you are not using a window manager, and it's causing keyboard focus issues

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inkynoob:

I'm using Fluxbox

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inkynoob:

But when the keyboard and Xbox controller are plugged in and I run a video from mythvideo, I can't alt-tab to the terminal I have open though. Once the video is done I can alt-tab again

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inkynoob:

The manpage says there is a −nojoystick parameter, I'll try that tomorrow and see what happens. Have a good night all

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roothorick:

how do I integrate VLC into MythDVD as the DVD player?

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roothorick:

and while I'm at it, does VLC support DTS passthrough at all?

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cesman:

roothorick: you can specify what Myth uses to play DVDs

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roothorick:

cesman: yes, but VLC doesn't quite integrate cleanly with that without some workarounds

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roothorick:

you know, I thought Linux had an end-all be-all DVD player that can take everything and do everything with regards to playing DVDs

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cesman:

roothorick: what is wrong w/ Xine or MPlayer?

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roothorick:

mplayer lacks DVD menus

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roothorick:

I'm trying xine now

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roothorick:

OGLE actually comes the closest, but the audio system blows up on certain disks

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roothorick:

VLC crashes out on a number of disks

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roothorick:

I could try Myth's internal again, I guess

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roothorick:

there's only one disc that Myth internal doesn't seem to like, but it's a lot of intolerable skipping

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cesman:

actually, the newer version of mplayer does support menus

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roothorick:

...what version would that be?

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Coded1:

i just puchcaced a 1080p hdtv with hdmi inputs, i want to use a myth box to watch broadcast as well as do some surfing what is the best method / adapter to recieve hd broadcast (cable/satelite?)

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Tanthrix:

Coded1: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Digital_Cable

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Tanthrix:

In short, your options are a bit limited at recieving premium HD channels via cable or satellite. That will change however when the new HD component input Hauppuage card comes out.

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Tanthrix:

As far as output is concerned, any modern nvidia card with a dvi>hdmi adapter will do nicely for doing native 1080p.

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Coded1:

Tanthrix, thanx for the info

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Coded1:

I want to try to consolidate as much as I can in terms of interafaces

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Coded1:

what is the status of the ps3 and myth / linux?

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Tanthrix:

Unfortunately, there really isn't one size fits all card yet for HD.

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Tanthrix:

Er, for HD and SD alike.

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Coded1:

i was possibly thinking of a dvb-s2 card that decodes satelite directly

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Tanthrix:

Ahh, you're not in the US. Can't help you then, sorry.

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Coded1:

it doesnt work in the US?

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Coded1:

im from canada

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Tanthrix:

Well, it's just that DVB-S is something mainly used outside of the US, as far as I know.

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Tanthrix:

My experience with satellite is non-existant.

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Tanthrix:

I just know that in the US it's all encrypted, and you're SOL if you want to directly decode it.

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Coded1:

ive heard of people getting decoding boxes

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Coded1:

over here anyway

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Coded1:

but you can get a CAM slot that lets you plug in your dish tv card

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Coded1:

if you have a subscription

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Coded1:

http://www.twinhan.com/product_satellite_s2_CI.asp

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Tanthrix:

That will only work if supported in linux, which it probably isn't unfortunately. Then again, I don't know, so don't listen to me ;)

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Coded1:

np i appreciate your help

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Tanthrix:

Huzzah! SD finally got TMS to fix my channel data. Now all four of my PBS channels have proper data and callsigns.

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opentrinity:

good morning ...for me :-)

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nacho-:

i am really struggling quite badly to get mythtv to recognise my tv tuner

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nacho-:

it's initialised correctly in the system

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nacho-:

dvb-usb: DViCO FusionHDTV DVB-T USB (TH7579) successfully initialized and connected.

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nacho-:

but mythtv-setup doesnt recognise it under capture devices

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nacho-:

does anyone have any ideas as to what could cause that?

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anykey_:

nacho-: did you compile with dvb support?

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nacho-:

--enable-dvb? yep

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anykey_:

so you can select the DVB device in the capturecard page?

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phrag:

hey guys

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phrag:

i'm running mythtv and want to 'wipe' my entire database and start fresh... when i call mysql or try to do anything with mysql i get Access denied as both root and user (not using password, don't remember setting a password)

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phrag:

any idea's where the pass is stored, or how i can access the database ?

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anykey_:

phrag: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resett . . . issions.html

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phrag:

thankyou =)

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anykey_:

phrag: first hit for google 'mysql root password reset'

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phrag:

so do i just flush the tables then ?

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phrag:

that didn't work

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phrag:

still won;t let me connect

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nacho-:

for some reason

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nacho-:

mythtv simply doesnt have 'DVB DTV capture card'

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nacho-:

as one of the options for tuners

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nacho-:

why is that?

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nacho-:

http://www.ozmyth.com/storage/users/1/1/images/1/medium.jpg

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nacho-:

^ simply isn't there for me?

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blackest:

nacho does kaffeine work with your card ?

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nacho-:

is that another tv viewer?

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blackest:

yes for digital tv

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nacho-:

not sure, i'll try now

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blackest:

ok whats the difference between a master and a slave the ip of the masterbackend ?

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phrag:

please, anyone ?

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anykey_:

nacho-: if you don't have DVB DTV capture card, you didn't compile with DVB support

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phrag:

i need to wipe the mythtv mysql database and start fresh

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blackest:

not necessarily

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blackest:

have you got phpmyadmin phrag

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nacho-:

blackest – i think i'm about to marry you...

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phrag:

no, i could get it though i'm sure

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blackest:

thats scary unless you happen to be a hot female

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blackest:

try installing that

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phrag:

will do, thanks

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blackest:

hopefully you have blank root password in which case changing the mythpassword should be easy

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nacho-:

kaffeine detects my card, gets all of the channels etc perfectly, so it's "working"

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nacho-:

but as soon as i go to play anything i'm getting an error saying a plugin is missing

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nacho-:

couldn't find demux for >/root/.kaxtv1.ts<

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nacho-:

found input plugin : file input plugin

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nacho-:

that sort of stuff

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blackest:

i'd google that see what comes up

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nacho-:

one bloke seems to think installing extra xine libs might help

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nacho-:

no definitive answers though

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nacho-:

i'll give that a shot

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nacho-:

hm it's mentioning xvid

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nacho-:

strange

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blackest:

you might need an experts help but at the moment most of the experts appear to be asleep

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ma9mwah:

if i want to install the svn trunk, is it best to upgrade from the 20.2 release or start from stratch?

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blackest:

are you running ubuntu

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blackest:

or some non buntu distro?

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blackest:

if ubuntu google mythbuntu weekly builds and follow the instructions

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ma9mwah:

yeah, im running ubuntu 7.10

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blackest:

just one backend ?

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ma9mwah:

cheers

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ma9mwah:

yeah

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blackest:

then it should be very easy for you

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ma9mwah:

ty, i've found the mythbuntu trunk. should be easy this

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phez:

hi, I'm on the scrounge – can anyone with sky in the uk let me have a copy of their channel table please – or point me in the direction of one

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blackest:

done it , i done it finally svn weekly build master and slave backends working

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blackest:

only took me 24 hours from installing this version

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ma9mwah:

is there a quick command to work out with version of SVN you have installed?

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directhex:

dpkg -l subversion

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blackest:

its listed in synaptic if you search for the packages

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blackest:

Daviey are you around ?

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msingh:

hello anyone from the UK?

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DustyBin:

msingh: me

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msingh:

DustyBin, how many terms are there in a school year? 3 or 4?

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DustyBin:

i havent a clue, its been a long time since i was at school

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DustyBin:

its probably all changed now

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DustyBin:

try google

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msingh:

ok

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msingh:

wouldnt know what to google

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DustyBin:

school terms uk maybe?

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** msingh tries **

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msingh:

wow 6 terms

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msingh:

tnx

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purserj:

sigh, can anyone point me to any good doco on building svn mythtv (0.21) on gentoo with both qt3 and qt4 built?

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directhex:

3 terms

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directhex:

split into half terms

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directhex:

september -> xmas, jan -> easter, and easter -> july

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msingh:

ok cheers

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code-er:

hey, is there a problem with 720x480 resolutions of themes? they seem to all be tooo big to fit on the screen

[14:54:00]

riddlebox:

man so close to getting the Pinnacle 800i working, it does decent on analog, but the sound is tingy

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code-er:

*sigh* my cx18 doesnt work :(

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jduggan:

my frontend is being *really* choppy with its video, but sound is fine. I've checked bandwidth etc there's no link problems, both backend and frontend are very little loads ive tried resetting all my frontend options but its still happening – anyone know what i should be looking at next?

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jduggan:

(this is all sd stuff btw)

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jduggan:

my backend is also a frontend and this has no problems so its a frontend problem somewhere

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justinh:

code-er: 4:3 themes have a base res of 800x600 & 16:9 themes have a base res of 1280x720

[15:00:47]

code-er:

justinh: so 720 res themes shouldnt be used?

[15:00:54]

code-er:

uhh 720 res shouldnt be used

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code-er:

stick with 800x600

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code-er:

?

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justinh:

what?

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justinh:

myth should scale the GUI to fit the screen if it's running in fullscreen mode

[15:01:40]

jduggan:

gawd, no idea whats going on with this frontend

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justinh:

try mythfrontend -geometry 720x480

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code-er:

arg front end crashed..a gain

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code-er:

2008-01–27 09:59:35.127 OpenGLVideoSync()

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code-er:

2008-01–27 09:59:35.127 ~OpenGLVideoSync() — begin

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code-er:

2008-01–27 09:59:35.127 ~OpenGLVideoSync() — end

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code-er:

2008-01–27 09:59:35.128 Video timing method: USleep with busy wait

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riddlebox:

code-er, I joined the v4l mailing list and posted in there that I would just give ssh access to someone that wanted to work on the card. Steven Toth answered and in a weekend he had it mostly working, now they are just perfecting it

[15:03:21]

code-er:

riddlebox: for the cx18?

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riddlebox:

code-er, nope the Pinnacle PCTV HD PCI card

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code-er:

ooo.. ok

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riddlebox:

but it may be worth a shot to do the same

[15:03:56]

code-er:

i wonder if the plextor hdtv will ever work lol

[15:04:41]

code-er:

2008-01–27 10:03:58.236 Total desktop dim: 720x480, with 1 screen[s].

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code-er:

2008-01–27 10:03:58.241 Using screen 0, 720x480 at 0,0

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riddlebox:

from what I understand is developers would get stuff working if they had access to the hardware, and since my skills are not much above simple scripts I just provided ssh access to them

[15:04:49]

code-er:

looks liek its running at 720x480 already..

[15:05:25]

code-er:

but all the buttons are off screen in setup and stuff

[15:05:55]

riddlebox:

I want to learn some python/xml and create a frontend to listen to your sirius radio online from mythtv, well its on my list of stuff to do haha

[15:06:11]

code-er:

riddlebox: there is a basic setup for xm already :)

[15:06:38]

justinh:

why python? why not proper code?

[15:07:04]

riddlebox:

code-er, cool I should be able to just look at that and hopefully change it to sirius

[15:07:08]

justinh:

if you're all waiting on mythpython making an appearance don't hold your breath

[15:07:15]

riddlebox:

justinh, do you suggest c++? or what

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justinh:

c++ but maybe put the parser in an external script to make it easy to adapt

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riddlebox:

justinh, python is pretty much the only language I know

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justinh:

I don't know any languages. never stopped me tinkering

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code-er:

riddlebox: its very baisc through. it launches mplayer in the background

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code-er:

arg.. it crashed again...

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code-er:

how do you update the svn tree again?

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justinh:

svn up

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code-er:

svn up

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code-er:

Skipped '.'

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code-er:

hmmm...

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justinh:

code-er: do it from the right dir

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code-er:

i did

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jarle:

Did anybody upgrade to mythtv-database_0.20.99+trunk15578–0ubuntu0~mythbuntu1_all.deb yet? seems to hang during install here :(

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code-er:

ooo. nm

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code-er:

i got it

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code-er:

is there a way to ask mythfrontend to RESCALE all the themes?

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portahex:

it does.

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portahex:

always

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code-er:

portahex: unless it already scalled them and thinks they are scalled ?!?!

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code-er:

cause this is DEFINATLY not scalled..

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code-er:

i dont see the next, cancel buttons at all

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portahex:

then purge ~/.mythtv/themecache

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portahex:

and that sounds like overscan to me

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justinh:

setup menus have a bug I think

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code-er:

portahex: checked the overscan.. it fills the screen, and only the screen. not more or less

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justinh:

portahex: nah you can run mythfrontend or mythtv-setup at some geometries & the setup menu buttons are sometimes missing/obscured

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portahex:

nicely done @|

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justinh:

it can be fixed with the setup menus are ported to mythui

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code-er:

yeh cause if i go into playback menu in mythfrontend it looks liek its displaying for 800x600

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code-er:

but then again so is watch recording :(

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jduggan:

wtf, my livetv bitrates had gone up to 10,000 thats why my frontend was stuttering

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jduggan:

but either way, surely a c2d 2ghz should cope w/that?

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jduggan:

(considering hd is more)

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GreyFoxx:

what kind of reecordings are they ?

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jduggan:

sd

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jduggan:

from a cable STB

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GreyFoxx:

codec I meant

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jduggan:

mpeg2

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GreyFoxx:

mpeg2 from a pvr cards, mpeg4 from aframebuffer etc

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code-er:

huu.. it is overscan..

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GreyFoxx:

I would expect your system to be handle that then yeah

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GreyFoxx:

Coded1: is the problem just that some of the menus are beyond the eges of your screen ?

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portahex:

myth can't deal with uneven bitrates, so if your recordings are all over the place bitratewise, they won't play back right

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code-er:

GreyFoxx: i just found that it infact WAS the overscan, which is raelly odd.but non the less the problem

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code-er:

!

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code-er:

now to find out why my frontend crashes

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code-er:

GreyFoxx: corrections, the buttons are OFF the screen, overscan is NOT the issue here

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GreyFoxx:

Got a screenshot ?

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code-er:

+GreyFoxx: its on my tv :-S lol does ratpoinson do screenshots?

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code-er:

well if you look at the THEME screen, the BOTTOM MOST line is the BORDER just above the bottons

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GreyFoxx:

if you have imagemagick install, from a command line

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GreyFoxx:

DISPLAY=:0 import -window root moo.jpg

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code-er:

(setup appearance)

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code-er:

1 second go the screen shot

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code-er:

http://download.yousendit.com/A92FC0BC13155667

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GreyFoxx:

Ahhh ok

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GreyFoxx:

yeah there are a couple menus like that

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GreyFoxx:

I actually started adjusting that specific on the other day

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code-er:

general playbak does the exact same thing :)

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code-er:

cool. so its not me LOL

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code-er:

now to figure out these crashes.

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** code-er hopes latest svn will fix **

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justinh:

I've made a note to try & make sure somebody pays attention to it when it's ported to mythui

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GreyFoxx:

Coded1: There are a couple in SVN like that

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GreyFoxx:

including the one youjust posted

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code-er:

GreyFoxx: as long as the front end itself doesnt crash i can deal (just cound keystrokes :-P)

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code-er:

is myth mostly C++?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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code-er:

gtk?

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GreyFoxx:

QT

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code-er:

hmmm

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code-er:

i should learn QT, and start doing some devel

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code-er:

lol.. only *nux gui programming i done was RAW and moffit.

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code-er:

QT cant be harder..

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GreyFoxx:

QT has lots of docs posted, and there is the rest of the source as a reference

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code-er:

yeh.....

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code-er:

recommend any tools?

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code-er:

or do you guys just use VI

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code-er:

LoL

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GreyFoxx:

vi/vim + ctags :)

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code-er:

:-p

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GreyFoxx:

and gdb as needed

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code-er:

lol

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code-er:

man but im soo lazy..

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portahex:

nano and gedit!

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code-er:

i miss .net :-P

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code-er:

click.. drag... woohoo button

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GreyFoxx:

if I have to remove my hand from the keyboard to reach for a mouse I'm generally annoyed :)

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code-er:

lol

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code-er:

yeh but its nice to hold a sandwich/bear in one hand while you guii it... then do the coding :-P

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code-er:

when you finish the beer/sandwich

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portahex:

code-er, monodevelop!

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** code-er sutters... **

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code-er:

but i can respect that.. i had to use a database once.. i dont know monkeys made it... the tabstops where RANDOM

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code-er:

i couldnt take the data entry anymore!!!

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code-er:

name,,,, click... lastname....click...address....click...

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code-er:

umm that beer not bear

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** code-er tiered **

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code-er:

who would of thought a cel3.02 would take SO long to compile

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CCFL_Man2:

there has to be a reason why i can't get a signal on this 6ft satellite dish

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CCFL_Man2:

i must be in a local dead zone

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CCFL_Man2:

c band signals are hard to aquire

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code-er:

ooo c band

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code-er:

hmm bud...

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CCFL_Man2:

code-er: i just want to point to one bird, i tried on c band and ku band and can't pick up anything

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CCFL_Man2:

there are trees right in the way

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CCFL_Man2:

but i can't cut them down

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CCFL_Man2:

there is an area within the trees thats open

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CCFL_Man2:

i want to receive amc 1

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code-er:

you got the right lbns and stuff

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code-er:

i dont have the room for a cband dish so yeh...

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CCFL_Man2:

i want a c band signal, but there are ku xponders on the same bird too, and it's easier to point to a ku signal

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CCFL_Man2:

but nothing, no signal

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code-er:

once again-- you got the right lbn?

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CCFL_Man2:

yeah, for c band i tried two c band lnbs, and two ku lnbs, the right scalar ring, etc

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CCFL_Man2:

was thinking of a chaporrol feedhorn, but i'm not sure how you'd adjust skew

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CCFL_Man2:

with the servo motor i guess

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MoeGreen:

are there any other releases like knoppmyth and mythbuntu?

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GreyFoxx:

There is a mythdora.... and a few others which escape my memory right now

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MoeGreen:

thx

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justinh:

no more of any note :)

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blackest:

justinh I cracked it

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justinh:

blackest: what was it then?

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blackest:

it appears that when the backend is getting set up it updates the db schema

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justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

that's normal behaviour

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blackest:

unfortunately the slave gets left out of this and is then unable to connect to the db

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GreyFoxx:

when mythtv-setup, mythfrontend or mythbackend runs it updates the db

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GreyFoxx:

if a update is needed

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justinh:

dbcheck.cpp takes care of it :)

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blackest:

so i had to disconnect the master backend from the network and do the slave as a combo master frontend setup

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GreyFoxx:

huh ?

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DGnome:

How should one interpret this? "Extra disk space you want on the recording file system beyond what MythTV requires."

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blackest:

when that was setup i just needed to stop mysql on the slave and point it at the original master

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justinh:

DGnome: the amount of space you want mythtv to leave instead of eating it all

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GreyFoxx:

DGnome: If you want myth to always ensure there is XX gigs of space then you set the value there and myth will expire stuff to keep it free

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blackest:

then everything was on the same schema and it all connects

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GreyFoxx:

blackest: That makes no sense

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blackest:

i then dropped mythconverg from the slave

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DGnome:

thanks justinh and GreyFoxx !

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blackest:

how do you mean

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GreyFoxx:

blackest: As long as both slave and master and running the same version of myth, they will use the same schema if they are talking to the same database

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GreyFoxx:

so it doesn't matter which you run first

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blackest:

ah well this is the problem from the svn its on 1205

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GreyFoxx:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

the filepath update failure ?

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blackest:

then when you connect the backend to the db it decides to update it and make it 1208

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blackest:

then the slave can't make sense of 1208 coz its on 1205

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GreyFoxx:

uhhhh

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GreyFoxx:

If 1 is expecting 1205, and the other 1208 it's cause you have 2 different version of myth running

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blackest:

ok so i set up the slave as a stand alone system with its own db which when it connects sets things to 1208

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blackest:

no its all from the same packages

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GreyFoxx:

No

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blackest:

honestly yes

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

nono

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: been through all this yesterday. was adamant

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blackest:

they both get the same packages from the same repositorys

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GreyFoxx:

blackest: I don't care, if 1 expects 1205 and the other 1208 YOU ARE RUNNING TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS

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GreyFoxx:

It's hardcoded in the binary

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GreyFoxx:

they must be different

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blackest:

no somewhere the system gets an upgrade to the schema

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blackest:

i think its coz you have an existing database and it gets modified

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GreyFoxx:

yes, every single time mythbackend, mythtv-setup Or mythfrontend runs, it checks the schema version. If the schema is not the current one it updates it until it is

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blackest:

the problem is i have two backends

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blackest:

and if 1 updates it the other is left incompattible

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stalker_:

hi, i just installed mythtv on ubuntu, and now fonts in firefox are ugly, anyone knows why (google doesn't seems to help)

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GreyFoxx:

blackest: no

[16:27:43]

GreyFoxx:

blackest: no

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GreyFoxx:

Both read from the same database, you don;t have to :tell" the other about anything

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GreyFoxx:

they just have to run the same version of myth

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GreyFoxx:

the schema is in the database only

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blackest:

the slave cant read from the updated data base

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blackest:

its a different schema

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GreyFoxx:

The schema updates you mentioned are minor, and if you are running the same version of myth it will read it just fine

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GreyFoxx:

blackest: IT's like this

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GreyFoxx:

1 master backend, 1 slave, 1 database

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blackest:

greyFoxx if you want i'll let you ssh into the two systems and you can check yourself

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GreyFoxx:

if I update myth on the master, and on the slave. When I run the master it will update the database

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GreyFoxx:

then when I run the slave it will see the db version it wants and keep going

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blackest:

but the problem is the db cant be read by the slave

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GreyFoxx:

What precisely was the error ?

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blackest:

the slave was complaining it was using 1205 and the db 1208

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blackest:

last week it was 1205 and 1207

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GreyFoxx:

then you have different version of myth

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blackest:

no i don't

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GreyFoxx:

run mythbackend --version on BOTH machines

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GreyFoxx:

put the output on pastebin.ca

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blackest:

ok

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blackest:

http://www.pastebin.ca/875042

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blackest:

the 2nd one is the master

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GreyFoxx:

Smack your packager cause he took out the source revision number

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GreyFoxx:

so you can't really tell the actually revision you are running

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blackest:

Daviey :)

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blackest:

trunk 15578

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blackest:

on both systems

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justinh:

how are people sposed to report bugs against it if they don't have proper ver. numbers?!

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blackest:

well its the latest mythbuntu weekly trunk build

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GreyFoxx:

blackest: Then you just proved that you had 2 different versions

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blackest:

eh ?

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GreyFoxx:

Cause the protocol was version 37 last week

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GreyFoxx:

and it's 38 this week

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GreyFoxx:

from 4 days ago

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GreyFoxx:

so you have have protocol 38, and rev ision 15578 then the version you are running is less than 4 days old

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blackest:

yes and it wasnt working last week so i upgraded both systems yesterday

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GreyFoxx:

so you updated both

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GreyFoxx:

then last week you had mismatched versions and didn't realize it

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GreyFoxx:

There is no other possibility

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blackest:

yes and the only difference between last week and this week was the two protocols were 1205 and 1207 last week and 1205 and 1208 this week

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MoeGreen:

can somebody explain the difference between an ir blaster and a home made serial reciever?

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blackest:

i just didnt succeed in fixing it last week

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psm321:

hmm i cant get myth to schedule a recording on the tuner i want, and as far as i can tell nothing else is usng that tuner

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Dagmar:

MoeGreen: A blaster transmits

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blackest:

raise the priority on it psm321

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GreyFoxx:

blackest: I bumped the schema ver to 1205 4 weeks ago, and was bumped to 1207 2 weeks ago by the multirec merge, and 1 week ago by xris

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GreyFoxx:

you had 2 different versions

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blackest:

how can i have two different versions from the same repository both downloaded within a few minutes of each other

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GreyFoxx:

easy you download ver X at minute 1, at minute 3 the repository is updated

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Dagmar:

Someone committed a change.

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GreyFoxx:

at minute 5 you ownload version Y to the new machine

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GreyFoxx:

same with svn

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GreyFoxx:

if you downloaded 1 minute ago, I commit a change and you download again 1 another minute

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GreyFoxx:

you have 2 diff versions

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psm321:

blackest: ok i will try that, i guess it will show me what it's conflicting with which i couldnt figure out myself

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GreyFoxx:

blackest: And if you can't accept that as a possibility I give up:)

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blackest:

well i find it hard to believe that two weekly build versions went up within minutes of each other yesterday

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psm321:

theyre not weekly versions... they change whenever something in the db/protocol changes

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psm321:

afai

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psm321:

k

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GreyFoxx:

the schema ver usually rarely changes

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GreyFoxx:

so you have have 6 package versions with the same schema

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blackest:

i don't suppose you have a master and slave backend available for testing the mythbuntu weekly builds

[16:47:01]

GreyFoxx:

but lately there is has been several schema updates

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GreyFoxx:

mostly as more stuff is commited in anticipation of a feature free for 0.21

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GreyFoxx:

freeze

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blackest:

yes before the multirec version i had no issues getting to 1205

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GreyFoxx:

yeah cause before the multirec merge the schema ver was 1205

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GreyFoxx:

after the merge it was 1207

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blackest:

thats when things went wrong

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, cause you had 1 version from before the merge and 1 from after

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blackest:

well i think it was a major change that a normal update couldnt handle

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GreyFoxx:

the multirec was a major change to several parts of the code, including the schema

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GreyFoxx:

which is why we always tell people to run the same version on everything

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GreyFoxx:

though I've never seen the package naming scheme used by mythbuntu

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GreyFoxx:

but I find that lack of a SVN revision number in --version disturbing :)

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psm321:

blackest: hmm even throughing +9 priority on it didnt work, i'm inclined to think this is one of those random scheduler bugs that i run into once in a while

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psm321:

*throwing

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blackest:

yes well asfaik i updated 3 systems all together a frontend and both backends and the slave was unable to communicate with the db

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blackest:

i had to redo my capture card and it had a problem with parentid

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GreyFoxx:

yes, and I believe you, but I'm now explaining to you that you unknowningly, unintentionally had 2 different versions of the backend

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GreyFoxx:

It's not a debate nor black magic

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GreyFoxx:

if 1 copy wants schema X and the other wants schema Y,....they are different versions. Period

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blackest:

there was another issue as well on the master it set its card as 192.168.2.5 and said it was remote and disconnected and i had to change it to ubuntu16 for it to accept it was local and connected

[16:54:41]

** GreyFoxx goes to play with his kid :) **

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blackest:

I guess most people are running single backends..

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GreyFoxx:

No, many run slaves

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GreyFoxx:

including myself :)

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blackest:

but not from the mythbuntu weekly builds :)

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GreyFoxx:

true

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GreyFoxx:

I generally dislike packages

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GreyFoxx:

but eventually I plan to install it ina VM just to see the install process

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blackest:

anyway i think daviey is responsible for those packages

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GreyFoxx:

I think he is

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blackest:

so at the least you can get him to put the svn no in

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** GreyFoxx really goes this time **

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psm321:

perhaps your package included a new backend binary but forgot/misplaced the new frontend binary? or something like that

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blackest:

i dont think so but I don't know enough to say more than i installed x and it didnt work and later when i set it up as a master on its own it did work

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blackest:

and then i was able to connect to the proper master

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MoeGreen:

i know this sounds dumb, but for whatever reason im not understanding...If i have Directv box and im running mythv just fine. I want to change channels and navigate in mythtv. I built my own serial reciever and using my own remote. I dont need a blaster right?

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Dagmar:

If you never want to change channels, sure.

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MoeGreen:

so to change channels i have to have a blaster?

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justinh:

MoeGreen: yes

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MoeGreen:

what are the homemade serial recievers for then?

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justinh:

for receiving IR signals from remotes

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blackest:

to control mythtv

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justinh:

as their name suggests!

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MoeGreen:

so that will just navigate in mythtv and thats it

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blackest:

an alternative to the keyboard

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MoeGreen:

ok, so will a ir blaster navigate in mythtv and change channels?

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blackest:

an irblaster will send signals to your stb and change channels

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MoeGreen:

so i need an ir blaster and to make my own serial reciever? If i dont want to use the keyboard

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blackest:

yes

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MoeGreen:

so the ir blaster will run off usb and when i make my own that will use serial?

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blackest:

well my irblaster runs off serial

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MoeGreen:

is the ir blaster all you have?

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blackest:

but i got that from that american site

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MoeGreen:

so how do you navigate in mythtv? do you still use your keyboard?

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blackest:

i also have a serial reciever but thats an irmate

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blackest:

i use either

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MoeGreen:

so an ir blaster will work with both the stb and mythtv navigation?

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blackest:

actually got a ir sky keyboard i keep meaning to setup

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blackest:

no its a transmitter

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justinh:

all an IR blaster can do is allow mythtv to send commands to an external device over IR – like simulating the original remote of a set top box

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blackest:

it transmits to the stb your remote transmits to myth who sends a signal to the stb

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MoeGreen:

ok i know understand the purpose of an IR blaster...but how can i also navigate in myth with the same remote? IS that possible?

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justinh:

you can't realistically expect to use the STB remote to navigate within mythtv

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justinh:

you'd use a _different_ remote

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MoeGreen:

so in a nutshell...Ir blaster is for the STB and the homemade reciever is for controlling myth right?

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Dagmar:

Well, you can, but it would be insane.

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justinh:

you _could_ ostensibly use the STB remote _IF_ you blocked off the IR port on the STB so it only worked with the IR blaster & no external influences

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justinh:

but let's not even get into that

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Dagmar:

I.e., you cocoon the thing in electrical tape over the front of the STB

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MoeGreen:

so one remote for the blaster and one for the serial reciever for myth?

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blackest:

well two protocols

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MoeGreen:

what do you mean?

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blackest:

one protocol the stb understands the other mythtv mythtv translates the signal in one protocol to the protocol the stb understands

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psm321:

MoeGreen: if you haven't bought your tuner card yet, some models of the pvr-150 come with both blaster and receiver afaik

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justinh:

no translation is being done!!!

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blackest:

it'd be no good if you typed in 123 on your remote and the stb and myth saw it

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MoeGreen:

i already bought my tuner card...I gotta get going but for my setup, i want to control myth and stb with remotes, do ijust need to purhase a blaster and thats it?

[17:15:55]

blackest:

ok when mythtv sees the channel change command it understands it issues the channel change command the stb understands

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MoeGreen:

k i understand taht part

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MoeGreen:

k so all i need is the blaster!

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MoeGreen:

then why do people build their own serial recievers if a blaster will do everything?

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psm321:

if you want to use your keyboard to control myth

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blackest:

some cards have a remote that mythtv can work with

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blackest:

the blaster transmits only

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justinh:

MoeGreen: the blaster does not and can not RECEIVE anything

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psm321:

MoeGreen: let me take my own stab at an explanation... i'll do it from a using mythtv to schedule recordings standpoint

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justinh:

if you point a remote at it & press buttons an ir blaster will not do anything

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justinh:

all the IR blaster is good for is to allow mythtv to send IR signals to external devices like a set top box. nothing else

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justinh:

it won't receive IR signals from a remote

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justinh:

a _receiver_ is used for receiving IR signals. funny, eh?

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justinh:

a _blaster_ is used for 'blasting' (sending) IR signals

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psm321:

MoeGreen: ok, so i want to schedule a recording in mythtv... in order to do that i need to be able to control mythtv. if i want to do that with a remote as opposed to keyboard, i need a receiver

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MoeGreen:

ok

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MoeGreen:

keep going

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justinh:

you do know the difference between _send_ and _receive_ right?

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psm321:

MoeGreen: now when it's time for the recording, mythtv needs to tell your stb to change the channel so it can record the right one

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blackest:

that reciever may be on a serial port or on your tv card

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psm321:

MoeGreen: in order to do that, it needs some way to talk to your stb. one of the methods of doing that is having your computer/mythtv pretend to be the stb's remote. the ir blaster lets you do that

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psm321:

MoeGreen: alternatively, you may be able to use a serial cable from the computer to the stb to control your stb depending on its model and your provider (that's what i do)

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MoeGreen:

how do you navigate within myth then?

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psm321:

MoeGreen: you dont want to be directly controlling the stb with your stb remote at any time unless you know for sure that mythtv is not doing anything with it at the moment

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blackest:

or if your reciever can schedule channel changes get it to do that and then you can manually tell it when to record

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psm321:

MoeGreen: either with your keyboard, or with a remote pointed at the ir receiver. the remotes you can use with a particular receiver vary, but you most likely dont want to use the same stb remote

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psm321:

blackest: heh that just turns myth into a glorified vcr :)

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MoeGreen:

so what does a person do if their blaster is serial and they built a homemade serial?

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MoeGreen:

can only use the blaster and have to use the keyboard huh?

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psm321:

no

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psm321:

i'm guessing you only have one serial port?

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MoeGreen:

ya

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psm321:

it's possible your motherboard may have a header for another one

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MoeGreen:

or i buy a usb blaster?

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blackest:

well some tv card remotes have support

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blackest:

usb blaster may work better

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MoeGreen:

ok i gotta go, but is this right? Homemade reciever to navigate in myth, and blaster to send signal to change channels?

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psm321:

or you could buy a usb blaster (not sure which ones are supported in linux), a tv ard receiver as suggested by blackest, or potentially a usb->serial adapter (i could find no clear data on whether these will work)

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psm321:

MoeGreen: yep, except you could use a tv card receiver too

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psm321:

thats what i do

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MoeGreen:

tv card receiver for myth or to change channels?

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MoeGreen:

myth right?

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blackest:

for myth yes

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CCFL_Man3:

so, who pointed a c band dish before?

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blackest:

your not guaranteed the tvcard remote is supported thou

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blackest:

with a motor ?

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blackest:

i tuned in a ku band sat card with myth

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blackest:

i didnt try desq

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blackest:

it was a pia since i needed to give frequency symbol rate polarity and maybe pid to tune each transponder and on hotbird thats 90 transponders

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CCFL_Man3:

blackest: i'm trying to point to amc 1 with a prime focus dish but i can't find any signal

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blackest:

you have ab lnb set up on your sat card ?

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CCFL_Man3:

i'm using a dvb receiver to test and align

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blackest:

sometimes you think its setup you exit and it hasnt set it

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CCFL_Man3:

it's an in the clear signal, i set the proper symbol rate, etc

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CCFL_Man3:

i just think i might be in a dead zone

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blackest:

i cant really help much are you in the uk

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psm321:

MoeGreen: if youre still around, i believe mce receivers (which i think are usb) will work on linux

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CCFL_Man3:

and have to redo my site survey

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CCFL_Man3:

oh, i'm in the US

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CCFL_Man3:

in the uk most satellite reception is ku

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blackest:

you might have to get a signal strength meter unless you have an analogue reciever and an analogue transponder still working

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blackest:

analogue signals fade in and out so its easier to find the sweet spot

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blackest:

digital your aiming for a very accurate spot

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blackest:

look at any nearby dishes to get a feel for where you should be and move the dish very slowly

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blackest:

2 degrees out on the horizontal or vertical you get nothing

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CCFL_Man3:

yeah, thats what i've been doing

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CCFL_Man3:

yeah

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blackest:

signal strength meter usually helps and a compass

[17:41:10]

CCFL_Man3:

i think i need to make the dish higher

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Dagmar:

Something's obscuring it's view?

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: trees might

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Dagmar:

s/might/will/;

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blackest:

also you need to account for your position

[17:42:19]

CCFL_Man2:

hmm..

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blackest:

there are calculators to give you a corrected angle to aim at

[17:42:58]

CCFL_Man2:

blackest: yeah, i got my coordinates

[17:43:21]

CCFL_Man2:

i think if i raise the dish higher i might catch it

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blackest:

other than that i need at least airfare to set your dish ;)

[17:44:46]

blackest:

do you need to set a twist on a c band lnb ?

[17:45:05]

CCFL_Man2:

the c band lnb, yes

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blackest:

i have never worked with circullar polarity

[17:45:23]

CCFL_Man2:

i set it to 0 degrees for pointing

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CCFL_Man2:

oh i'm using linear polarity

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blackest:

c band isnt linear i think

[17:46:38]

CCFL_Man2:

it is in the US, horozontal and veritcal

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blackest:

its left and right handed i think

[17:47:31]

CCFL_Man2:

commercial ku band here in the US is circular

[17:48:05]

CCFL_Man2:

easy thing about circular polarity is that you don't need to set lnb skew

[17:48:37]

CCFL_Man2:

any specific things i should do with a prime focus dish as opposed to an offset dish?

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blackest:

thats weird its the opposite in europe

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CCFL_Man2:

because of the geograpgy of europe, ku band does a better job than c band

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blackest:

http://www.satellitehelp.com/installation_index.asp it might help

[17:52:53]

CCFL_Man2:

thanks

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blackest:

it looks like c band can be horizontal and vertical too i didnt know that

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Dagmar:

Yep

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blackest:

looks to be lower frequency thou

[17:55:15]

Dagmar:

It's always fun in the winter when the fiddly bit that turns the reciever element freezes

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blackest:

fiddly bit ?

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blackest:

you have to adjust the lnb

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Dagmar:

Little motor

[17:56:09]

Dagmar:

I'm used to "big dish" stuff

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blackest:

does it move the dish or the lnb ?

[17:56:31]

CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: it's worse in the winder because it's so damn cold when aligning the dish :P

[17:56:32]

Dagmar:

It turns a piece inside the nose of the dish

[17:56:38]

Dagmar:

It would be quite mad to rotate the whole dish

[17:56:47]

Dagmar:

CCFL_Man2: I can sympathize

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blackest:

thats what i do here stab motor tracks the arc and the dish rotates round to align the signal

[17:57:21]

Dagmar:

It's a lot of fun when there's 50 lbs of snow on the disk

[17:57:51]

Dagmar:

You're talking about pointing the dish at a different piece of sky

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blackest:

no skew on a motorised dish here coz the motor takes care off it

[17:58:31]

blackest:

yes I track from 55 east to 30 west

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Dagmar:

Big dish stuff actually has an H and a V polarity for each of the analog channels.

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blackest:

yes analogue is polarised here too

[17:59:03]

Dagmar:

Little dish is WAY easier to deal with in that respect

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blackest:

but my dish is only 90cm

[17:59:25]

Dagmar:

I suspect they did the smart thing and just put two in the same unit

[17:59:34]

Dagmar:

...just 90degrees separated

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blackest:

yes switched by voltage 13 and 18 volts

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Dagmar:

It figures

[18:00:30]

blackest:

it also means the dish moves at differing speeds depending on polarity

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: i'm looking to get c band digital channels, on AMC 1

[18:01:04]

Dagmar:

I'd call the cable company. :)

[18:01:09]

Dagmar:

Make it their problem.

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Dagmar:

My parents have a big dish for wild feeds and such and I hate it when they call me to fix it

[18:01:58]

Dagmar:

Invariably, it's in the winter when bits of it are frozen

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blackest:

ask a silly question you have got the coax terminated right

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blackest:

i had a friend who didnt realise the shield of the coax is used for dc and trimmed it back

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Dagmar:

lol

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Dagmar:

Is there a technology that uses coax that _doesn't_ require the grounding/shielding layer to be there?

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: i want DW-TV and deutsche welle radio :P

[18:03:49]

Dagmar:

Hmm... I think I'd have signal interference problems with that one

[18:04:07]

Dagmar:

Something to do with a lot of moisture in the way.

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blackest:

you mean the planet earth

[18:04:39]

Dagmar:

Well, specifically I mean the Atlantic Ocean.

[18:04:50]

Dagmar:

If we could just drain that, then maybe.

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blackest:

well thats mostly the problem

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blackest:

you can get round it if you can get your dish east enough

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blackest:

i have friends in clifton who get hotbird :)

[18:06:01]

Dagmar:

Yeah there were a couple that my dad thought we might be able to pick up, until I started going the trig on it

[18:06:18]

Dagmar:

"There's a reason the dish seems like it's aimed a little low, Dad."

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Dagmar:

s/going/doing/;

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blackest:

only coz i have a slingbox on my lan

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blackest:

hehe

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blackest:

how far east can you get ?

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blackest:

or is it west for you

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Dagmar:

I think they could probably go another 20 feet east. ;)

[18:07:42]

Dagmar:

...until they hit the fence.

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Dagmar:

Somehow.... I don't think that'll really help much

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blackest:

they need someone with a slingbox in europe

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Dagmar:

Yeah kinda

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Dagmar:

It's talk like that tho that has the lawyers Slingbox employs wake up screaming tho

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Dagmar:

s/wake up screaming tho/waking up screaming/;

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blackest:

total bunch of ....

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blackest:

actually theres a better way of doing it

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blackest:

mythweb will stream quite nicely now

[18:10:45]

Dagmar:

Yes, private individuals are typically a lot less expensive to sue, as well.

[18:10:51]

blackest:

but most isps give lousy upstream rates

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blackest:

i have my server password protected so hopefully its not public

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blackest:

it'll only support one user practically and i am not paying 50% more so two people can use it at the same time

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blackest:

however nyud.net seems to help

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blackest:

provided two people want the same stream at roughly the same time

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jayemef:

hi all--i just upgraded mythtv to 0.20.2 so i could use schedules direct. that all went well, but now when i run mythfilldatabase, all the http requests are throwing 401 and 500 errors, and i'm not getting any data

[18:18:30]

jayemef:

any ideas?

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jayemef:

i read somewhere that the 401s are normal, but they should get followed up with 200s

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Anduin:

jayemef: The 401s are normal (part of basic http auth), the 500 could mean anything, did you verify your password? Can you sign in to SD? How long ago did you sign up? etc

[18:23:32]

jayemef:

doing some searching, i found someone had success by simply changing their password to what it already is, just to get it all synced, so im giving that a try now

[18:23:38]

jayemef:

but i signed up about a week ago

[18:23:44]

jayemef:

just approaching the end of my trial

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jayemef:

i can log into the website fine

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Anduin:

jayemef: And you've configured your lineups?

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jayemef:

oh, heh

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jayemef:

never even selected one

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jayemef:

stupid me

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jayemef:

thanks

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moosylog:

Can I start mythwelcome from .dmrc in my home directory.

[18:28:24]

jayemef:

sweet, working. thanks again Anduin

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Dagmar:

Joy

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Dagmar:

16:9 stretch is clearly overshooting

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Dagmar:

Tonight will be fun

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: If you're trying to rid yourself of the horizontal and verticle black bars associated with a 16:9 program being displayed via a 4:3 video stream, manually zooming is your only option.

[19:06:16]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: No there's a 16:9 stretch mode that "tries"

[19:06:29]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Aye, but it overscans. Always.

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Dagmar:

...and I'm talking about the completely around the window black box I get for watching a letterboxed program broadcast in 4:3 on a 16:9 screen

[19:06:56]

Dagmar:

It overscans *much* too much

[19:07:07]

Dagmar:

Holy cripes believe me I know all about overscan

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: And I don't know about you, but when I'm watching a crappy less than SD resolution 16:9 analog video stream, I want every damned row of pixels in that thing

[19:07:19]

Dagmar:

I've written stuff all over the wiki about it

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Dagmar:

I gotta figure out why it's zooming in much too far

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: That's exactly what I said, incidentally. (There are horizontal bars since it's being broadcast in 4:3, and the normal verticle bars from the fact that it's 4:3 on a 16:9 YB)

[19:08:37]

Dagmar:

Yes, and there's an option in the zoom list that implies it should fix this

[19:09:17]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Which option? I've never seen anything that seems to work well other than manually zooming it in, something that gets a little annoying after a while.

[19:09:30]

Dagmar:

The one *called* "16:9 stretch"

[19:09:50]

Dagmar:

It's the only one that does anything close to the right thing for this problem, and it's named like it should be doing what it is

[19:10:00]

Dagmar:

It's just zooming too close in

[19:10:04]

Dagmar:

Simple math problem

[19:10:17]

Tanthrix:

That's been there for ages, and it's always been wrong. There's no way to adjust it unless you start messing around in the code.

[19:10:24]

Dagmar:

Tha's what I intend to do

[19:10:38]

Tanthrix:

Nifty! Submit a patch if you figure it out.

[19:10:54]

Dagmar:

pfft. All I have to find is where it's doing the zooming and change the magnitude

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zed2323:

my mythbackend is on a machine with a wireless net connection. mythfrontend works ok on that machine; trying it on remote machines starts ok, but quickly times out and dies. Would there be any advantage to using a network drive that the remote machines have faster access to for file storage, or is the video data streamed from mythbackend anyway?

[19:48:03]

Dagmar:

Recordings are streams

[19:48:07]

Dagmar:

er streamed

[19:48:18]

Dagmar:

Change channels to 1 or 11

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Dagmar:

The default most people's AP use is 6, which is filled with RF crap from pagers, cell phones, pacemakers, microwaves, etc.

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zed2323:

I'm already using 11.

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Dagmar:

Wow

[19:51:10]

Dagmar:

Even 802.11b should be able to do a stream of SD content

[19:51:29]

zed2323:

and it's 802.11g and not HD.

[19:51:30]

directhex:

hmm, not neccessarily

[19:51:55]

Dagmar:

directhex: When it's not being interfered with, it's got enough

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directhex:

11mbit at best, streaming up to 10mbit? i don't like those odds

[19:52:31]

zed2323:

I get a whole lot of 'RingBuf(myth://192.168.1.168:6543/1011_20080126232900.mpg): Waited 2.0 seconds for data to become available...' 'NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.'

[19:52:42]

directhex:

and that's before asking bloody obvious questions like "do you own any electric devices larger than a toaster, they'll interfere"

[19:53:02]

Dagmar:

zed2323: So check your throughput rates with some kind of network tool

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iamlindoro:

oor "Did you foolishly crank your capture bitrate way up hoping it would improve quality

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iamlindoro:

s/oor/or/

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I was actually trying to figure out when an SD recording would ever use that much

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Dagmar:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Ya never know, lord knows we've all heard people cranking bitrates wayyyyy up

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Dagmar:

I know I use it fine here

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, I stream wireless, but I'm all 802.11n, G worked half-decent before that

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iamlindoro:

certainly with SD

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directhex:

dvb-t can hit some pretty hefty bitrates

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iamlindoro:

ah, didn't realize he was going DVb... yeah, theoretically up to 18 or so

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iamlindoro:

Curse my fourth grade reading level

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directhex:

he just said SD without qualifying it

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zed2323:

My default recording profile has resolution 480x480, bitrate 4000, max bitrate 7600.

[19:58:54]

Dagmar:

So, only a little jacked up

[19:59:06]

Dagmar:

Time to try different channels and find out which ones you get clear throughput on

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Dagmar:

...or find out your wireless driver sucks

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iamlindoro:

Plus, if you're using a PVR-x50, or similar, you probably ought to be capturing at 720x480, at lower bitrates... 480x480 causes various little problems

[20:01:10]

iamlindoro:

OH, and if you're using a framgrabber and those are mpeg-4 bitrates, that's just ridiculous

[20:02:36]

zed2323:

it's a PVR-250. Was getting bad results at 720x480, so I tried 480x480. Still bad results. (quite possibly due to bad reception on the rabbit-ears where the computer is, but I'll work on that problem after the remote front ends work.)

[20:03:29]

Dagmar:

I've no problems with 480x480

[20:03:35]

Dagmar:

...other than it's a bit ugly

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fedorared:

Woo 480x480

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fedorared:

With the cable quality here there's no point in much more

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Dagmar:

andarius: Drink

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zed2323:

I'm getting a throughput of about 7.5 Mbps. not so hot.

[20:14:14]

zed2323:

I guess it's time to move the card to a machine with a wired connection.

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zed2323:

thanks for your help, all.

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boggystudios:

I have a mythtv backend setup and was wondering how I could get the upnp server to show video that I already have

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psm321:

is there any way with storage groups to tell myth a directory is read-only?

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cesman:

psm321: why would you use a read-only storage group?

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psm321:

2 main scenarios

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psm321:

1.) to find files that i've burned off to dvd (right now i just symlink them in)

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cesman:

unless I've missed the boat, storage groups is for recorded shows

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psm321:

2.) and more importantly, because myth's free disk space check isnt perfect, i basically want to consolidate recordings onto some partitions and then leave say 2 or 3 partitions open with lots of space

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cesman:

MythVideo can support multiple directories (or so I've read)

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psm321:

cesman: yeah i'm weird like that... i burn actual recording files straight off, no transcoding or mytharchive or anything

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psm321:

i do that on purpose because i like some features of the normal recording viewer

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cesman:

MythVideo is what you need to investigate, not MythTV

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psm321:

trust me i've looked into it, MythVideo is not what i want

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cesman:

when why not use "Internal" for MythVideo?

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stevenm:

I just switched locations. All the channel numbers are different for this region, but it seems I have old guide data in my DB

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stevenm:

Is there a way to purge and repopulate the listing database?

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stevenm:

For instance, I have tw shows showing up on the weather channel. I know that can't possibly be right

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territory:

anybody here using firewire to record? i have a few questions, few minor problems im trying to fix

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territory:

[04:03] * justinh points at the channel topic

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territory:

woops pasted to much, just read first msg ;]

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territory:

changing channels takes extra long with firewire stb, no problem with that, but when it starts to record, it records a second or two of previous channel

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territory:

anyway to correct this?

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justinh:

territory: must just be a limitation of your cable box then

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stuarta:

evening all

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territory:

what limitation, it changes channels fine, its mythtv starting the recording to soon

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territory:

is there a way to delay the recording from when it changes channel

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justinh:

territory: maybe put a sleep in your channel changing script

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justinh:

territory: by limitation I mean maybe your cable box is just slow at changing channels

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justinh:

gotta love slow crappy cable boxes. without them there'd be no mythtv :)

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justinh:

oh wait. with firewire I don't think there is a channel change script

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stevenm:

is schedulesdirect down?

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territory:

yea i dunno

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territory:

i mean firewire recording is the only decent option also, cant record HBO with QAM

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GreyFoxx:

www.schedulesdirect.org is up

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GreyFoxx:

Or I'd be notified :)

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GreyFoxx:

as for the and I can connect and download programming data too

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GreyFoxx:

Reusing existing connection to webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com:80.

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GreyFoxx:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK

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stevenm:

GreyFoxx, weird. I updated and updated and am still seeing data for the wrong location.

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GreyFoxx:

did you actualy remove the old data?

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territory:

i see 2 options, dunno if any are possible, make it start recording 3–4 seconds after channel change, or change channel 3–4 seconds before starting recording

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stevenm:

GreyFoxx, Nope. But I don't see duplicate data. But I do see this:

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stevenm:

2008-01–27 16:14:58.895 Main temp tables populated.

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stevenm:

2008-01–27 16:14:58.896 DataDirect, Error: UpdateProgramViewTable no dd_state!

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stevenm:

2008-01–27 16:14:58.896 Did not find any new program data.

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stevenm:

Does that mean anything to anyone?

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GreyFoxx:

stevenm: I'd go in, and drop the video source

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GreyFoxx:

then add it new

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stevenm:

GreyFoxx, very well. will do.

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stevenm:

Does that error mean anything?

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GreyFoxx:

never seen it before

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territory:

this is only a problem because when im on espn and it switched to record starts, its got some 720p frames mixed with 1080i frames, and mythtranscode will not work with the file

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territory:

and in the lil thumbnail preview, the switch between frames causes mythfrontend to crash ;/

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CCFL_Man2:

the platform that my satellite dish was on was really off level

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CCFL_Man2:

now i got it to an 8th to 16th inch off level

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stuarta:

territory: you should get a backtrace for that preview crash

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CCFL_Man2:

which is close

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territory:

it crashes when the preview goes from 720p to 1080i

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territory:

because it records a second or two of espn, b4 it completes its channel change to whatever else

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stuarta:

it still shouldn't crash

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territory:

what u suggest i do

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territory:

how i get a backtrace

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territory:

check the log after it crashes?

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CCFL_Man2:

anyone here point a c band dish before?

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stuarta:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2

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stuarta:

oh, and test with head, quite a few preview issues have been fixed there.

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stuarta:

(making DB backup along the way of course)

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jduggan:

man justinh's glass theme rocks – makes the fe look so much more proffessional

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justinh:

rocks & glass don't mix!

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stuarta:

unless the rocks are for cooling the drink in the glass

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justinh:

I loves ya, svn revert

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justinh:

my brain hurts now

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** stuarta suggests beer **

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justinh:

if I drink enough will I be able to code?

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stuarta:

works for most people

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justinh:

haha I might think I can code better. half the battle in my case

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stuarta:

unless programming in binary/hex

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justinh:

I do fine til I try reading about stuff & it descends into jargon land too fast

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** justinh wonders if anybody'll miss 900 pages worth of toner in the work laser **

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stuarta:

nah, but trying to carry a small tree out to the car they might notice

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justinh:

hmm still have paypal monies left. I should spend that on a c++ book I reckon

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stuarta:

problem is finding a good one

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justinh:

can't be doing with reading pdfs

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justinh:

found thinking in c++ for under 13 squids on amazonia

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stuarta:

seriously, do some research into good c++ books first

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roothorick:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle_PC . . . d_%28800i%29

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roothorick:

$81.99 at Best Buy :D

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stuarta:

there are so many books out there, not all of them good

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jduggan:

anything published oreilly is usually good

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roothorick:

affordable, Linux supported all-in-one card

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roothorick:

go me

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jduggan:

i could advise with C, but now C++

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jduggan:

:o

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jduggan:

+by

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justinh:

don't want too much jargon, need nice easy to understand concepts. then again OO just makes my brain hurt

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justinh:

yeah yeah yeah objects are just like <insert metaphor here>..

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directhex:

objects are easy

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justinh:

the whole being able to follow what inherits what, how to declare stuff.. blech. I've been getting by on sheer good luck for too long

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eric_:

ive got 2 pci dvb cards that keep swapping spot from dvb0 to dvb1 everytime i reboot, is their a way to make them static?

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directhex:

eric_, udev rules

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justinh:

eric_: udev rules

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** stuarta calls *SNAP* **

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justinh:

or stop rebooting :P

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eric_:

udev rules ok

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eric_:

how do i get to that

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eric_:

lol i wishi could stop rebooting

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stuarta:

reboots are for hardware upgrades :)

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cesman:

/etc/udev/

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justinh:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=ud . . . ch&meta=

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eric_:

k thaank guys

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directhex:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Device_Filenames_and_udev

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cesman:

eric_: http://reactivated.net/udevrules.php

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justinh:

somebody bothered to wikify it?

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directhex:

justinh, it's the kind of thing that damn well SHOULD be in the wiki

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justinh:

nah it's not mythtv's fault that hardware likes to move around

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justinh:

anyway time to relax the grey matter & watch some telly

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directhex:

justinh, it's a frequent myth problem, where do you think it SHOULD be documented?

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raceme:

do you think that this card (ASUSTeK EN8400GS SILENT/HTP/256M – 256 Mo TV-Out/DVI – PCI Express (NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS)) is a good way to build a frontend ? Good for TNT and usable for HD in the future ?

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directhex:

yes, but i don't think it's supported by the driver in gutsy

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raceme:

directhex: you've got good memory about distro used be guys here :)

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directhex:

nah, i forgot this wasn't #ubuntu-mythtv

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compy:

do remotes work for sound and VLC if you have the video capture card/remote?

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raceme:

btw I resolved the WinTV Nova-t-500 by using the last drivers in v4l... it is wirking without disconnect since almost 12 hours (a record)

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XLV:

raceme, at least for windows, 8400 and 8500 cant seem to have the needed shader power to properly decode HD, 8600 and upwards

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daMaestro:

hmm i'm confused

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raceme:

XLV: cant seem = card seem ? or cannot ?

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XLV:

doesnt seem

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** raceme is checking 8600 **

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directhex:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_43029.html

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directhex:

note: APPLIES TO WINDOWS ONLY. on linux, you get mpeg2 acceleration on everything, and that's it

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raceme:

is memory important for decoding HD ? Is 512 Mo needed for example ?

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directhex:

video memory? no

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daMaestro:

i seem to have some schedule issues; what does it mean when a single show is shown many times

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directhex:

essentially, in linux, you'll get no help from your graphics card

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directhex:

therefore cpu is important, gpu isn't

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daMaestro:

i have almost a full day of the same show :-/

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raceme:

directhex: it there no way for that situation to change in the future ? indeed it is nvidia choice

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daMaestro:

it seems 7am-10pm shows the same exact show :-/

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directhex:

it might change in the future – but part of the problem is there's no standard way to accelerate anything except mpeg2. i think intel are leading the way on a standardised accelerated video decoding system

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raceme:

directhex: so it is urgent to wait and see :)

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daMaestro:

http://dev.damaestro.us/hmm.png

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raceme:

I do not find many information about tvout and motherboard with integrated intel chipset... Is this supported ?

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raceme:

intel graphical chipset i mean

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archpollux:

hi

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archpollux:

i have a problem with huge fonts for mythvideo... everywhere else the fonts are fine. i have to mention that this is connected to a 40 inch tv through dvi2hdmi

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daMaestro:

raceme, the intel gpu stuff has oss drivers

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daMaestro:

raceme, reports are they work well

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raceme:

daMaestro: for general output driver i know this is oss and it works well... This is for TV output that I don't know and find no information

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daMaestro:

ah, i don't know about tv out

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daMaestro:

i would expect it to work fine

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daMaestro:

raceme, i see no reason why s-video would not work

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raceme:

daMaestro: "man intel" returns: "SDVO and DVO TV outputs are not supported by the driver at this time." but i have no idea of hat is DVO and SDVO. let's googlinh

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daMaestro:

raceme, http://giyf.us/site:intellinuxgraphics.org+s-video

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directhex:

tv-out works on intel

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directhex:

justinh uses it

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blackest:

how would i mount this locally smb://ubuntu16/mymediashare

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directhex:

mount -t cifs -o iocharset=utf8 //ubuntu16/mymediashare /mnt/somemountpoint

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raceme:

daMaestro: thanks i'll cheek later... first glipse is not encouraging... but need to read more carefully

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blackest:

mount error 13 = Permission denied

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daMaestro:

raceme, directhex is reporting it works

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blackest:

good try better than me thou

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Tanthrix:

Need username and password

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raceme:

daMaestro: but many comments say no xv

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raceme:

daMaestro: on tv or dual head

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Tanthrix:

blackest: Stick -o username=whatever,password=whatever after cifs

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daMaestro:

you don't *really* need to use xv.. the frontend should be able to run in gl mode

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Tanthrix:

Don't need the iocharset=utf8 part as far as I know

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at0m|c:

blackest, mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt --verbose -o user=username password=blah

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at0m|c:

blackest, man mount.cfis or man smbmount

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directhex:

smbfs has been deprecated for years

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raceme:

daMaestro: i did not think about gl... good hint

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at0m|c:

blackest, if it's on your home network, you may want to go through fstab, man fstab

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blackest:

still not having it

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CCFL_Man2:

you guys are not going to believe this

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Tanthrix:

No, we aren't.

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CCFL_Man2:

i'm receiving a signal

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blackest:

you finally got your dish on a sat :)

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blackest:

is it the right sat?

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CCFL_Man2:

blackest: yeah, i got it locked on the pentagon channel's transponder

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directhex:

blackest, then it's user error. what exact mount line are you using? what special options do you need to access smb://ubuntu16/mymediashare through your gui?

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CCFL_Man2:

yep

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blackest:

sudo mount -t cifs //ubuntu16/mymediashare /mnt --verbose -o user=john password=*******

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Tanthrix:

Missing a comma.

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directhex:

blackest, options with -o are seperated with a comma

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CCFL_Man2:

thing is though, my receiver won't pick up the channels

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CCFL_Man2:

it pits up the NIT, but no channels

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CCFL_Man2:

signal quality is at 7 out of 10

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archpollux:

anyone knows how to change the fonts for mythvideo?

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blackest:

ccfl,_man2 you need to find a bit of info about one of the channels on the transponder

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blackest:

get a pid or something

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CCFL_Man2:

blackest: i got the network id

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blackest:

and the symbol rate usually 27000 howeer myth wants 27000000

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CCFL_Man2:

http://www.pentagonchannel.mil/getit.aspx

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roothorick:

it's times like this that I love Gentoo

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CCFL_Man2:

everything there

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blackest:

i may be one 0 out

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CCFL_Man2:

if the symbol rate is wrong it won't lock

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roothorick:

my tuner card needs drivers only available in v4l-dvb developer repository

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CCFL_Man2:

but it locks

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roothorick:

Gentoo has an ebuild specifically for that purpose

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CCFL_Man2:

i might have to manually enter in the video, audio, and pcr pid

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blackest:

20,000,000 i think or 2,000,000 no commas

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CCFL_Man2:

blackest: i'm using a scientific antanta ird

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raceme:

daMaestro XLV directhex : thanks for your help... bye bye

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CCFL_Man2:

the main issue was being level, i had to put the dish on a platform and level the platform

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CCFL_Man2:

then i found the signal

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blackest:

cool hows your set top box working with the signal

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blackest:

is that working ok

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blackest:

i am kinda confused with mythmusic my music files are all on the backend but i am using a samba share to bring them to /mnt/music on my remote frontend however that means if i use a frontend on the backend the musicfiles will be in the wrongplace again won't they ?

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CCFL_Man2:

hmm.. well i think i need to enter in the vpid, apid, and pcrpid manually, it locks onto the transponder, but the channels don't come in properly

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CCFL_Man2:

the signal quality is 7 out of 10

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blackest:

i think you only need one channel in the multiplex entered manually CCFL_Man2

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blackest:

once you get that one I think the rest follow

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CCFL_Man2:

i think so, there is only one channel in the multiplex, i tested this ird with multiplexes that had many channels, not just one

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blackest:

unusual but theres no reason why not apart from a waste of a transponder

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CCFL_Man2:

you can get full use of the transponder

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CCFL_Man2:

better picture quality

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blackest:

hmm maybe some companys will stick 10 movie channels on a single transponder

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territory:

is there anyway to make mythtv change the channel like 1 minute before it even starts recording a schedule recording?

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CCFL_Man2:

oh i know, the commercial dbs providers do that, they thing people want 5000 channels so they can justify the high cost

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blackest:

territory you can make it record earlier if you want is that close enough

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territory:

no

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territory:

the problem is

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territory:

not being on the c hannel quick enough

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territory:

it records part of prev channel

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territory:

= not good, especialy if there different resolutions

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blackest:

i cant help you then

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territory:

;[

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territory:

can anybody?

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CCFL_Man2:

tomorrow i gotta run coax

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CCFL_Man2:

that will be a job

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CCFL_Man2:

maybe not

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roothorick:

how am I supposed to set up an analog/digital combo card in Myth?

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roothorick:

hmm... I won't need schedules direct after all, EIT seems to be working

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roothorick:

I need a bigger motherboard :/

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roothorick:

I'm right now juggling a tuner card, sound card, wireless card and firewire card between two PCI slots

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roothorick:

switching them in and out as I need them

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roothorick:

I need to come up with something more convenient once this guy's ready to go

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code-er:

ok, my front end crashes if i watch a recording, or live tv

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code-er:

i ment the whole computer locks up and the picture freezes

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code-er:

does not respond to keyboard or network

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code-er:

logs dont show anything interesting

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code-er:

(messages and mythfrontend -v most)

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code-er:

mythbackend not running on this machien

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code-er:

how can i figure this out

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roothorick:

nice

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roothorick:

$18 for a KT266A based motherboard

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roothorick:

just what I need

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