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| [00:00:40] | tvless: | Dagmar : Ah. I see. There's no point in lirc on this box. |
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| [00:12:28] | MoeGreen: | lindoro you still online? |
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| [00:13:46] | MoeGreen: | I just got done building my IR circuit on a bread board and was wondering if i can use an old dvd player remote that i have |
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| [00:38:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | MoeGreen: You built a generic serial receiver? |
| [00:43:45] | tvless: | Ok, so at http://www.pastebin.ca/870265 what's with the bit blitting failure? |
| [00:47:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | MoeGreen: Once you setup lirc for it, you can learn the remote's buttons with 'irrecord'... |
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| [01:00:06] | tvless: | What's the right box to buy for a front-end? I want silent (fanless, perhaps diskless), hdtv capable (I'm thinking 1920x1440), vga output, not that big, and in-kernel drivers. |
| [01:00:36] | clever: | one method you could use |
| [01:00:40] | clever: | just get a laptop |
| [01:00:56] | clever: | in most of mine the fan shuts off when < a certain temp/load |
| [01:01:00] | clever: | they all have vga out |
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| [01:01:17] | clever: | most new ones can netboot |
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| [01:02:00] | tvless: | clever : True. It seems a bit overkill. And I still need to figure out the driver issue. |
| [01:02:26] | clever: | why do the drivers need to be in kernel? |
| [01:02:44] | CaptObviousman: | that's why god invented modules |
| [01:03:06] | clever: | yeah |
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| [01:03:08] | tvless: | clever : WAF. I don't want to be mucking with non-free drivers, worrying about them no longer being supported in a few years and otherwise worrying about integration. |
| [01:03:44] | clever: | get a laptop with a card which doesnt need those binary driver |
| [01:03:44] | clever: | s |
| [01:04:07] | clever: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02) |
| [01:04:17] | clever: | ive got hardware rendering working on that with the open source driver |
| [01:05:03] | clever: | it would be simple to stuff this laptop into the tv stand |
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| [01:05:16] | clever: | wired into a vga tv and the ethernet, and a usb ir receiver |
| [01:05:21] | portahex: | tvless, mac mini |
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| [01:05:25] | clever: | root goes on the desktop master elsewhere |
| [01:05:27] | tvless: | clever : I'm thinking of something like koolu.com. The only thing i wonder about is how much bandwidth I need for HDTV. |
| [01:05:35] | tvless: | clever : You're starting to talk me into it. |
| [01:06:06] | clever: | ive been able to stream 5 SDtv's out the netwrok without even hiting 50% of my nic limit |
| [01:06:12] | clever: | while playing back and recording |
| [01:06:21] | clever: | without taxing the cpu either |
| [01:06:25] | tvless: | clever : Does it stay on with the lid closed? |
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| [01:06:37] | clever: | tvless: yeah most laptops do |
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| [01:06:45] | clever: | and you can even remove the lid if you wanted! |
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| [01:06:55] | clever: | an older laptop i have has a damaged lcd panel |
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| [01:07:05] | clever: | for several weeks i used it without the lcd |
| [01:07:08] | clever: | like a c64 |
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| [01:07:21] | portahex: | tvless, r.e. koolu, you'll be bloody lucky to play SD on a 500mhz geode, let alone HD |
| [01:08:05] | tvless: | portahex : I thought I could do all the work on the back end. Wrong? |
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| [01:08:49] | portahex: | tvless, completely |
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| [01:08:52] | clever: | the frontend needs to do the decoding for playback |
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| [01:09:12] | portahex: | tvless, the alternative is, well, how fast is your network exactly? |
| [01:09:27] | tvless: | Live and learn. I put gigabit in. With jumbo frames. |
| [01:09:32] | justinh: | fast enough for uncompressed HD? 1.5Gbit/sec ? |
| [01:09:32] | clever: | 100mbit is what all my networks are |
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| [01:10:01] | portahex: | tvless, try 10gige to do uncompressed HD |
| [01:10:03] | tvless: | justinh : Guess not. |
| [01:10:17] | clever: | compressed hd will take alot less bandwidth |
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| [01:10:26] | clever: | but need more cpu power to uncompress localy |
| [01:10:30] | justinh: | even jpeg compressed :) |
| [01:10:32] | portahex: | justinh, i measure 1.9, by my maths |
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| [01:10:47] | justinh: | it's 10 past one in the am |
| [01:11:41] | tvless: | So how much cpu oomph is needed for hd decoding? (A laptop is sounding more attractive.) |
| [01:11:54] | portahex: | tvless, depends on the codec the HD material uses |
| [01:12:16] | justinh: | tvless: 2.4Ghz P4, minimum for mpeg2 HD. h.264 needs a weedle beet more. oh. I mean LOADS more. |
| [01:12:30] | jamesd: | tvless, recording... almost none... mythbackend uses just 1–2% of my 2.4ghz opteron box... playback uses 80–95% depending on content |
| [01:12:55] | clever: | my latest laptop is a core2duo 1.8ghz |
| [01:13:09] | clever: | easily handles even the 264 files ive downloaded |
| [01:13:11] | tvless: | jamesd : I was hoping to get the backend to transcode. |
| [01:13:28] | justinh: | clever: purely academic since not even trunk can do multithreaded playback yet (officially) |
| [01:13:40] | clever: | yeah |
| [01:13:49] | clever: | but mplayer has no trouble with the 264 |
| [01:13:50] | portahex: | clever, why a laptop, when a mac mini is cuter & cheaper? |
| [01:13:51] | justinh: | my 1.83 C2D plays 720p h264 no problem though. except if it's AVC encoded |
| [01:13:53] | tvless: | I've got a 2.3 GHZ Core duo on the back end. |
| [01:13:53] | clever: | even when only using 1 core |
| [01:14:06] | jamesd: | tvless unless you are planing on realtime transcoding the cpu doesn't matter.... if it take 2 hours to transcode a show you will watch later does it matter? |
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| [01:14:09] | clever: | somehow 1 core of 1.8ghz outdoes the 2.9ghz celeron! |
| [01:14:35] | portahex: | clever, because core microarchitecture does 4 flops per cycle, and netburst does 2 |
| [01:14:37] | clever: | seems to be major flaws in the design of the celeron |
| [01:14:39] | tvless: | jamesd : Not to me. I've not had a TV for years. But now I've got a wife.... |
| [01:14:49] | clever: | portahex: ahh:) |
| [01:15:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: Celeron <- enuf' said... |
| [01:15:09] | clever: | portahex: something ive seen with the into on older cpu's |
| [01:15:17] | portahex: | cache is largely irrelevant in this context |
| [01:15:18] | clever: | is the exact number of clock cycles per instruction |
| [01:15:32] | clever: | depending on what adressing mode and everything |
| [01:15:48] | jamesd: | i would like to convince my cpu not to ramp up mhz when i transcode... its fine it takes 2–3 times as long i just perfer not hear the fan noise of full cpu usage when transcoding |
| [01:16:04] | clever: | jamesd: edit the powernowd config |
| [01:16:23] | clever: | by default i think it ignores reniced jobs but it may change with the distro |
| [01:16:32] | portahex: | clever, okay, 4 flops per cycle on core is very much best case – it can only do that many if you do multiply followed by add – but that's what most calculations involve |
| [01:16:35] | clever: | and your config may not renice the jobs |
| [01:17:06] | clever: | yeah ive recently read of mac stuff on wikipedia |
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| [01:17:25] | clever: | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz |
| [01:17:33] | clever: | portahex: how well that that perform overall? |
| [01:18:18] | portahex: | wiliamette? |
| [01:18:33] | clever: | vendor_id : GenuineIntel |
| [01:18:34] | clever: | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm |
| [01:18:48] | portahex: | should be fine for SD |
| [01:18:53] | portahex: | hot, though |
| [01:18:56] | clever: | yeah it handles sd just fine |
| [01:19:01] | clever: | the box is damn loud though |
| [01:19:05] | jamesd: | clever, i don't see a config file only a couple of scripts for starting it in mythbuntu |
| [01:19:14] | clever: | when i do shut it off for the odd change the room is oddly silent |
| [01:19:56] | clever: | jamesd: the config for powernowd in ubuntu is explained when you read /etc/init.d/powernowd |
| [01:20:04] | tvless: | Finding something that's quiet and has enough oomph for HD sounds like a challenge. |
| [01:20:20] | clever: | it will source /etc/default/powernowd if it exists(changing variables like $OPTIONS) |
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| [01:20:50] | clever: | portahex: the problem i had with that P4 above is that it takes 90% or more cpu power to frame grab |
| [01:21:04] | portahex: | clever, framegrabbers suck |
| [01:21:13] | clever: | but the pvr150 drivers have killed the bttv drivers |
| [01:21:23] | clever: | so i cant framegrabb AND pvr150 at the same time |
| [01:21:37] | clever: | its a great replacement but i cant record 2 things at once |
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| [01:21:43] | portahex: | right, bedtime |
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| [01:24:25] | tvless: | Come to think of it, real HD is not a requirement. Just whatever they're calling HD that comes over broadcast in the US. |
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| [01:25:30] | justinh: | clever: bout time something killed framegrabbers in linux. the less people use em for mythtv the better IMHO |
| [01:25:39] | clever: | lol |
| [01:25:48] | clever: | justinh: theres 2 versions of a certain kernel module on my end |
| [01:25:55] | clever: | one was built from the ivtv sources |
| [01:26:10] | clever: | that newer one isnt compatible with the prebuilt bttv.ko |
| [01:26:32] | clever: | i can easily fix it if i rebuilt bttv.ko to catch up |
| [01:26:54] | clever: | but id rather not mix too many custom build modules into the kernel |
| [01:27:10] | tvless: | clever : (That's the kind of talk I want to avoid with in-kernel-tree drivers.) |
| [01:27:22] | justinh: | your kernel must be too old to have ivtv built in then :) |
| [01:27:32] | clever: | its ubuntu |
| [01:27:37] | clever: | everything is in modules! |
| [01:27:53] | justinh: | by built-in I mean included as part of, even as a module |
| [01:27:56] | clever: | just to keep the kernel from getting too bloated while still having support for a wide range of stuff |
| [01:28:02] | clever: | ah |
| [01:28:05] | justinh: | as in you don't need to build it yerself |
| [01:28:14] | clever: | 2.6.15-28–386 |
| [01:28:20] | clever: | i didnt actualy do the ivtv build myself |
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| [01:28:33] | justinh: | ivtv broke my dvb-t tuners a long time ago.. tuner module conflicted.. |
| [01:28:33] | clever: | the module-assistant program did the bulk of the work |
| [01:28:51] | clever: | and it did everything perfectly to get ivtv up |
| [01:28:59] | clever: | and trampled over bttv in the process:P |
| [01:29:19] | justinh: | worked around it very easily and they happily co-existed until the day I pulled the pvr card |
| [01:29:32] | clever: | ./kernel/drivers/media/video/tveeprom.ko |
| [01:29:35] | clever: | ./ivtv/tveeprom.ko |
| [01:29:40] | clever: | several tveeprom.ko's |
| [01:30:11] | clever: | i could manualy rmmod and insmod to fix the bttv |
| [01:30:16] | clever: | and disable the pvr |
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| [01:30:27] | clever: | but cant get both at the same time |
| [01:30:43] | justinh: | clever: time was you coulduse a tveeprom & tuner module from the kernel & it'd work fine with ivtv |
| [01:30:44] | clever: | a 2nd pvr150 would be better though:P |
| [01:31:17] | clever: | yeah i could try the old tveeprom and the new ivtv but id rather not hardlock it a 4th time today |
| [01:31:28] | justinh: | that's all I did – copied the incompatible modules to a safe place, installed ivtv modules then copied the old uns back |
| [01:31:32] | clever: | and ive allready taken the frame grabber back out |
| [01:31:48] | justinh: | whether that'd work if you relied on the pvr tuner or not I dunno, but i didn't |
| [01:31:48] | clever: | ivtv didnt overwrite the older ones |
| [01:31:56] | clever: | it just wound up sooner in the search path |
| [01:32:25] | clever: | and id still need a 2nd ir blaster or working serial control |
| [01:32:38] | justinh: | it was a good job I thought ahead & backed up the old kernel modules :) |
| [01:32:41] | clever: | the patched lirc for the pvr blaster caused tons of trouble |
| [01:33:07] | clever: | the lirc_serial wont build on the patches source and the old lirc_serial.ko isnt compatible |
| [01:33:17] | clever: | so i cant get pvr150 blaster AND serial blaster |
| [01:33:41] | clever: | and either way id have trouble blasting 1 of 2 boxes without hitting the other |
| [01:34:22] | clever: | serial control would solve several problems at once but isnt responding to the script right |
| [01:35:18] | clever: | having a seperate slave to use the 2nd card would work too |
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| [01:40:58] | justinh: | eek. bbc3 is being rebranded |
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| [01:47:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | + |
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| [01:56:20] | robbins61: | anyone ever heard of elisa? |
| [01:57:24] | ** justinh groans ** | |
| [01:57:49] | justinh: | seen it, tried it. still nowhere near stable. looks awful |
| [01:57:57] | robbins61: | really? just heard of it on digg |
| [01:59:04] | justinh: | oh and fluendo really want you to buy plugins for it to play mpeg stuff- mpeg2, mpeg4, mp3.. divx.. they gloss over the fact that a free (as in Free) plugin is available pretty well too |
| [01:59:32] | robbins61: | so myth is still the way to go then |
| [01:59:35] | justinh: | I dont diss an OSS project for fun |
| [01:59:48] | robbins61: | you juski? |
| [02:00:07] | justinh: | I'll be kind here. it has a way to go but fluendo are trying to con people into buying their plugins IMHO |
| [02:01:25] | jams: | fryfrog- sooo where are those nokia n810's your promised everybody. |
| [02:02:01] | justinh: | robbins61: he hasn't been seen around these parts in a while |
| [02:02:07] | robbins61: | are you lying? |
| [02:02:20] | justinh: | no I'm not lying |
| [02:02:43] | justinh: | if you're trying to associate me with that nick I'd rather you didn't |
| [02:03:10] | justinh: | part of a past I want to try & forget about if nobody minds awfully |
| [02:04:23] | fryfrog: | in my pants, you coming to collect yours? :) |
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| [02:05:24] | GreyFoxx: | 2 |
| [02:05:33] | fryfrog: | but in less than a month i'll be working somewhere *else* instead, and offering free stuff from them! |
| [02:05:59] | justinh: | if I'm good would you be able to get me an Asus Eee, fryfrog ? ;) |
| [02:06:04] | jams: | heh guess it's nothing working out |
| [02:06:21] | justinh: | or a mac mini. either will do :) |
| [02:08:52] | ** jams would rather have a roomba ** | |
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| [02:09:44] | justinh: | heh. doggy would _love_ one of them! oh wait no, not after remembering what he's like with radio controlled cars! |
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| [02:14:29] | xanderp: | i can get my mythbuntu to work for my firefly remote if I /usr/sbin/lircd -d /dev/lirc_atiusb it will detect the remote perfectly. I just need to figure out how to make it work with 2 LIRC devices at the same time. I know how to setup fedora that way, but can't seem to find something simple enough for my tiny brain to help me on mythbuntu... |
| [02:16:00] | xanderp: | hmmm gossamer-threads search funtion broken? |
| [02:16:24] | Aval0n: | xris: you there? |
| [02:16:36] | xris: | ? |
| [02:16:45] | Aval0n: | hi man, I just installed current svn |
| [02:16:51] | Aval0n: | I read through your install file |
| [02:16:55] | Aval0n: | and I had mythweb working previously |
| [02:17:02] | Aval0n: | but now for some reason when I try to load mythweb |
| [02:17:08] | Aval0n: | it says it can't talk to the backend |
| [02:17:22] | Aval0n: | but I have verified that the back is in fact running |
| [02:17:24] | xris: | you configured the apache conf file with the correct ip, etc? |
| [02:17:30] | Tanthrix: | xanderp: Why do you need two lirc devices? |
| [02:17:34] | Aval0n: | for the database yes |
| [02:17:43] | Aval0n: | but it says it can't talk to the backend |
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| [02:18:22] | Aval0n: | it's all on the same server |
| [02:18:26] | Aval0n: | and I left it localhost |
| [02:18:30] | Aval0n: | username/pass are correct |
| [02:18:43] | Aval0n: | but is it talking about the database when it says it can't talk to the backend? |
| [02:19:18] | xanderp: | Tanthrix: I've got a remote and a volume knob that both appear as LIRC devices. I have them working on a mythdora frontend, but that's fedora obviously and works differently... |
| [02:19:25] | xris: | Aval0n: sorry, haven't looked at those settings in ages... |
| [02:19:33] | xris: | you remove your old htaccess file? |
| [02:19:39] | xris: | make sure that selinux is sedated? |
| [02:19:44] | Tanthrix: | xanderp: Ahh, I see. |
| [02:19:53] | Aval0n: | error string: Unable to connect to mythbackend, is it running? |
| [02:19:57] | Aval0n: | selinux? |
| [02:20:29] | xanderp: | it'a a /dev/lirc_imon and a /dev/lirc_atiusb. in fedora it was trivial to edit the /etc/init.d file to allow it to start 2 instances... I can't figure out the syntax for ubuntu... |
| [02:21:27] | Aval0n: | xris: what is the default install dir for mythweb |
| [02:21:30] | xanderp: | Aval0n: you could port scan the machine loopback internally and then it's ip from another location to see if it's firewall related.. |
| [02:21:34] | Aval0n: | if you just did a make install from the source |
| [02:21:43] | Aval0n: | it's not |
| [02:21:52] | Aval0n: | it worked before I updated to the new SVN |
| [02:21:55] | Aval0n: | plus it's the same machine |
| [02:21:59] | Aval0n: | fe/be on same machine |
| [02:22:04] | Aval0n: | no software firewall on it |
| [02:22:10] | xanderp: | and the fe can't see the be? |
| [02:22:20] | Aval0n: | the fe sees it just fine |
| [02:22:36] | Aval0n: | mythweb just says it can't talk to it |
| [02:22:36] | xris: | Aval0n: there isn't one. |
| [02:22:46] | xris: | Aval0n: grey page with error in a box in the middle? |
| [02:22:55] | Aval0n: | no |
| [02:22:57] | Aval0n: | white page |
| [02:23:08] | xanderp: | apache user rights? |
| [02:23:27] | xris: | Aval0n: odd. try turning on error email and seeing if you get a backtrace sent to you? |
| [02:23:32] | xris: | or check the apache error logs. |
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| [02:23:48] | Aval0n: | yes backtrace just says unable to conenct o mythbackend |
| [02:23:53] | Aval0n: | brb |
| [02:24:04] | xris: | no backend should be a grey page with a box in the center that contains the error |
| [02:24:38] | xanderp: | sounds like mythweb may not be able to resolve 'who' the backend is... try using ip addresses for the configuration? |
| [02:24:50] | Aval0n: | i left it localhost |
| [02:24:50] | xanderp: | (if using names) |
| [02:24:54] | xris: | xanderp: good idea |
| [02:25:32] | xanderp: | for sng's you could try the machine's ip address.... |
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| [02:26:52] | xanderp: | i had problems with a remote fe before because mysql wasn't bound to the ip address, but to the loopback, and remote fe's couldn't attach. |
| [02:27:14] | xanderp: | not sure on mythweb though |
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| [02:27:29] | justinh: | seen that with mythweb too, but then what I know about network configuring can be written in /etc/hosts |
| [02:28:20] | xanderp: | off to the server room... (have to work tonight, we're re-arranging some racks...) |
| [02:28:22] | xanderp: | night all |
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| [02:40:10] | Aval0n-: | xris: where did you say there documentation was on configuring for streaming? |
| [02:40:18] | Aval0n-: | I don't see it in the INSTALL file |
| [02:40:32] | Aval0n-: | mythweb still wants my browser to open myth:// |
| [02:42:05] | psm321: | just saw the earlier conversation, yes i do have over 10k recordings (12140 right now) ... many of them are archived to dvd but i dont think it's anywhere close to 30tb total (i record at ~120 MB/ half hour) |
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| [02:44:54] | fuse_lt: | hi |
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| [02:45:22] | jesse: | hello |
| [02:45:25] | xris: | Aval0n-: the myth:// stuff is in mythweb settings (the web page) |
| [02:45:35] | jesse: | anyone here use a location free player? |
| [02:45:57] | fuse_lt: | Has there been any patches to better support the PS3? |
| [02:46:32] | Aval0n-: | i enabled flash video playback |
| [02:46:40] | Aval0n-: | but when I click play on the video |
| [02:46:44] | Aval0n-: | screen just goes black |
| [02:46:45] | Aval0n-: | and nothing |
| [02:47:19] | GreyFoxx: | fuse_lt: better support it ? in what way ? |
| [02:48:08] | fuse_lt: | i guess my question would be better suited for mplayer |
| [02:48:30] | fuse_lt: | but in the sense that the code base for mythtv supported the cell |
| [02:48:52] | Aval0n-: | I got rid of the myth:// |
| [02:49:06] | Aval0n-: | but it still won't play either via mythweb or via windows |
| [02:49:16] | GreyFoxx: | Myth supports cellphones now ?:) |
| [02:49:21] | fuse_lt: | GreyFoxx: i just had performance issues with myth on the ps3 |
| [02:49:40] | fuse_lt: | GreyFoxx: funny :-) |
| [02:49:41] | GreyFoxx: | are you running myth natively or using the upnp supoort to access content ? |
| [02:49:58] | Aval0n-: | xris: it's odd because it shows the video in still, maybe just a screen grab? |
| [02:50:05] | Aval0n-: | but then when I click play it just goes black |
| [02:50:12] | fuse_lt: | some of it seemed to be a video/X issue, it couldnt run in 1080p mode hardly at all |
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| [02:51:27] | Aval0n-: | xris: does it need to go out on specific port?? I tried forcing to 8080 which I know is open but no dice. |
| [02:51:37] | xris: | no |
| [02:51:42] | xris: | you just need to tell it not to use myth:// |
| [02:52:09] | Aval0n-: | I did |
| [02:52:25] | jesse: | if i'm looking at adding to my myth setup should i get another tv tuner and insert into my pc and use it as a slaved backend or get an HD homrun and use it w/ my primary backend? |
| [02:53:36] | Aval0n-: | cause even when I click direct download, it isn't opening a new page like i used to |
| [02:53:50] | Aval0n-: | use myth:// is not checked anymore ... I just looked. |
| [02:54:46] | Aval0n-: | I souldn't need to restart the httpd should i? |
| [02:54:53] | xris: | no |
| [02:55:02] | xris: | anyway, sorry to cut short... need to head afk. |
| [02:56:06] | Aval0n-: | =/ |
| [02:56:08] | Aval0n-: | ok thanks man |
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| [02:56:55] | Aval0n-: | weird |
| [02:56:59] | Aval0n-: | all my recordings show |
| [02:57:08] | Aval0n-: | except mickey mouse club house for the kids |
| [02:57:13] | Aval0n-: | it shows an emtpy graphics with an x |
| [02:57:27] | Aval0n-: | and when I click it, it takes me to the listings page and says unknown progra, |
| [02:57:28] | fuse_lt: | GreyFoxx: did I lose you ? |
| [02:57:29] | Aval0n-: | program |
| [02:57:35] | fuse_lt: | or did i ever have you? |
| [02:58:56] | fuse_lt: | GreyFoxx: oh, the answer to your question is native |
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| [03:00:27] | jesse: | anyone here have experience using an HD homerun? |
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| [03:27:06] | jedix: | how does opengl video playback work? is every frame a new gl texture? |
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| [03:29:11] | kmyth: | what keyboard key is the 'info' button usually mapped to in mythtv? |
| [03:29:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | i |
| [03:29:34] | jedix: | yeah, i for info |
| [03:29:45] | jedix: | press it twice |
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| [03:36:34] | jheizer: | Howdy all |
| [03:37:52] | jheizer: | Anyone around that can give me a suggestion on time getting off, it is killing my sbe recordings |
| [03:37:54] | jheizer: | ? |
| [03:38:43] | jhulst: | jheizer: use ntp |
| [03:39:16] | jheizer: | it is running but still gets off like crazy. have never set it up before and the default settings in knoppmyth have always been fine. |
| [03:39:45] | jheizer: | I restart the deamon and all is well, for about 2 hours then it is slowly gets ahead |
| [03:40:03] | jheizer: | (reset 2 hours ago and it is 5 minutes fast already) |
| [03:40:11] | jhulst: | jheizer: set it up to refresh at a certain amount of time |
| [03:40:14] | iamlindoro_: | Sounds like you are over or underclocked |
| [03:40:26] | iamlindoro_: | or have slown down the bus speed |
| [03:41:48] | jheizer: | hmm, don't believe I am OC'd right now, but could be and forgot. This machine has been stable as shit for a long time, but thius popped up after I reinstalled and moved to a CF to ide disk |
| [03:42:02] | jheizer: | not that I would think that should effect that |
| [03:42:12] | iamlindoro_: | time drift like that is almost invariably hardware... those are just the most obvious I can think of |
| [03:42:47] | jheizer: | no reason to think the CF card would be the cause do you? |
| [03:43:18] | jheizer: | only thing that has changed ina year or so |
| [03:43:18] | iamlindoro_: | Not that I can imagine... I suppose anything's possible but I can't come up with a plausible reason it would be |
| [03:43:30] | jheizer: | me neither, and at a loss.. arg |
| [03:43:35] | jheizer: | stupid computers some days |
| [03:43:42] | Tanthrix: | Is there anyway to import the commercial cut points into the program editor? |
| [03:44:05] | iamlindoro_: | press z |
| [03:44:12] | Tanthrix: | Spiffy. Thanks. |
| [03:44:17] | iamlindoro_: | anytime ;) |
| [03:44:19] | MoeGreen: | are there any instructional docs on using lirc with knoppmyth? Cause everything is running smoothly id just now like to control it :) |
| [03:48:43] | jheizer: | guessing you don't have on of the common remote it has scripts for already? (as in not listed when running lirc-reconfigure.sh) |
| [03:48:57] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: By the way, did you ever figure out how to losslessly cut commercials with HD content? |
| [03:49:05] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: Losslessly-ish, anyway |
| [03:49:34] | iamlindoro_: | Tanthrix: Well, It's not the HD-ness so much as it is the broken-streamy-ness that my cable co (and apparently many DVB providers) put out |
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| [03:49:53] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: Er, right. That's what I meant. ;) |
| [03:50:22] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: I've got a recording of October Sky from back in the day when I had my firewire setup, and I'd like to cut the commercials and archive it. |
| [03:50:51] | iamlindoro_: | Tanthrix: Best solution I've got right now is to use NUVExport (Hello xris ;) ) to do the cutting whilst transcoding to high-bitrate x.264... since I archive to x.264 anyway, I consider it saving a step. NUVExport uses mythtranscode to demux and cut the commercials, but avoids the failure because apparently it occurs on re-encode, and since it's being piped into ffmpeg for that, it works. |
| [03:51:17] | iamlindoro_: | hope that makes any sense |
| [03:51:20] | Tanthrix: | Ahh, I see. |
| [03:51:36] | iamlindoro_: | So it might be worth a look for you, too |
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| [03:56:58] | MoeGreen: | ya i was just going to use an old dvd player remote i have |
| [03:57:01] | MoeGreen: | will that work? |
| [03:57:28] | iamlindoro_: | Almost any remote should work, you just have to record the IR codes with irrecord |
| [03:57:52] | MoeGreen: | is irrecord and lirc built into knoppmyth? |
| [03:58:06] | iamlindoro_: | Couldn't tell you, have never used it, but irrecord is part of lirc |
| [03:58:45] | MoeGreen: | ok ill run through the mythv-setup again because i think it asked me if i have a blaster |
| [03:58:51] | iamlindoro_: | no |
| [03:58:58] | iamlindoro_: | mythtv-setup doesn't have anything to do with lirc |
| [03:59:21] | MoeGreen: | so how can i check if it has it loaded? |
| [03:59:35] | iamlindoro_: | ps aux |grep lircd, presumably |
| [04:00:04] | iamlindoro_: | but even if lirc is running, that doesn't necessarily mean it has loaded your lirc module |
| [04:00:15] | iamlindoro_: | I would google for lirc serial blaster howto, personally |
| [04:00:47] | MoeGreen: | agreed |
| [04:01:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | MoeGreen: But if you're just trying to use it with your remote, look for lirc serial receiver... |
| [04:01:40] | iamlindoro_: | ah yes, good point, did you build a receiver or a blaster? |
| [04:01:43] | MoeGreen: | ok ill try that too |
| [04:02:20] | jheizer: | or like I said before, if you are using a common remote (pvr150 or whatever) you can just run lirc-reconfigure.sh under knoppmyth |
| [04:02:36] | jheizer: | that was what you remember seeing before on the first boot up after installing |
| [04:02:50] | MoeGreen: | in a term? |
| [04:02:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah — what did you build? A receiver has an IR receiver module (about the size of an old-fasioned sugar cube)... a blaster is just an IR led for transmitting ... |
| [04:02:57] | MoeGreen: | cause i typed that in and did go |
| [04:02:59] | jheizer: | oh, missed that message about about dvd remote |
| [04:03:00] | jheizer: | my bad |
| [04:03:00] | MoeGreen: | *didnt go |
| [04:03:12] | MoeGreen: | ok |
| [04:03:31] | MoeGreen: | i built a serial reciever on a bread board |
| [04:03:40] | MoeGreen: | just like http://www.gimpfaq.org/tutorials/mythtv/lirc1.jpg |
| [04:03:50] | Aval0n-: | anyone in here used mythweb streaming video? |
| [04:04:00] | jheizer: | irrecord is included w/ knoppmyth, but I have never used it myself |
| [04:04:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | MoeGreen: Ok, yes. That's an IR receiver. |
| [04:04:10] | iamlindoro_: | ok, so J-e-f-f-A is right on, look for knoppix lirc receiver, and jheizer appears to have more knoppix experience for distro-specific stuff |
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| [04:05:07] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=LIRCHowTo |
| [04:05:11] | iamlindoro_: | may be a good start |
| [04:05:40] | jheizer: | yup, 2 knoppmyth machines here, lazy way to get it started up, I just have a 880 and used the 150 remote codes |
| [04:05:43] | iamlindoro_: | Fair warning, LIRC is the biggest be-atch part of myth to set up for the first-timer, IMHO |
| [04:06:14] | iamlindoro_: | If you choose exactly the right receiver and distro, it can be a breeze, but homebrew serial with knoppmyth ain't that ;) |
| [04:06:18] | MoeGreen: | that what i hear |
| [04:06:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Really? I would think the generic serial receiver is easy to setup... |
| [04:07:21] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: The real pain in the ass part is the whole setserial junk |
| [04:07:36] | iamlindoro_: | which I think is over the head of most non-technical first-timers |
| [04:08:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... I use serial blasters on my FC6 system.... Don't remember any major struggles... <peeks at his modprobe.conf file...> |
| [04:09:28] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: Perhaps I just remember a less-automagic time when it involved compiling my own lirc modules, using setserial in rc.local, etc... may have improved since, it's been a good long time since I used serial |
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| [04:10:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | Here's the lirc stuff from my modprobe.conf... http://pastebin.ca/870524 |
| [04:11:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm not sure if the same would apply for Knoppmyth... I'm running Fedora Core — but it should give you some hints even if it's not 100% applicable... ;-) |
| [04:13:21] | jheizer: | Anyone good with apache mind helping me with a little problem out of here? (simgle IP port 80 -> linux apache server -> just a few domains names IIS windows server) |
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| [04:22:06] | jheizer: | in case anyone was wondering I go an answer in #apache reverse proxy http://www.apachetutor.org/admin/reverseproxies interesting stuff |
| [04:26:13] | jesse: | hey guys i'm having some problems w/ my myth box |
| [04:26:36] | jesse: | once in a while when i start viewing live tv the audio sounds really bad and playback is laggy |
| [04:26:59] | jesse: | i've changed all the settings in every variation possible but to no avail |
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| [04:29:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: Is your system fast enough? |
| [04:29:29] | defaultro: | hi folks, how many mythtv-users are we hear in U.S.? |
| [04:29:36] | defaultro: | s/hear/here/ |
| [04:29:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | defaultro: I'm 1... ;-) |
| [04:29:50] | defaultro: | are we at 500 thousand? |
| [04:30:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | I have no idea... ;-) |
| [04:30:09] | defaultro: | :) k |
| [04:30:11] | jesse: | yeah my card only requires a up to like a 1.8 p4 for HD and i'm only running analog right now |
| [04:30:20] | jesse: | my card does both an and digital |
| [04:30:42] | jesse: | but yes, i have a 2.26ghz p4 1.5g ddr |
| [04:32:10] | jesse: | i used mythdora for about a day and it worked perfect in there other than i couldnt get it to use my soundcard.. had to use integrated sound but i found how to disable my int. sound in the bios after i had switched to ubuntu and had the same problem |
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| [04:32:17] | CaptObviousman: | boy, one thing I didn't count on is the noise from my hard drive being this irritating |
| [04:32:29] | jesse: | I have heard other ppl have had similar problems using mythbuntu / ubuntu w/ myth installed |
| [04:32:31] | CaptObviousman: | what's a good quiet/silent setup for a hard drive? |
| [04:32:42] | fryfrog: | CaptObviousman: no HD :) |
| [04:32:49] | fryfrog: | or maybe boot from a CF card |
| [04:32:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | CaptObviousman: Turn up the volume! ;-) |
| [04:32:59] | jesse: | CaptObviousman, I have an external hdd and its works great |
| [04:33:03] | fryfrog: | hide the PC behind some foam? |
| [04:33:28] | jesse: | i have mine behind my tv and it drowns out the sound nicely however w/ a long enough usb cable you could locate the hdd else where |
| [04:33:46] | jesse: | if you run samba you could even mount to a networked hdd and record to that |
| [04:34:02] | fryfrog: | or NFS |
| [04:34:06] | CaptObviousman: | well I'm making a separate dev enviroment currently so it's hitting the HD really hard |
| [04:34:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: Did you say you had it working before? |
| [04:34:21] | jesse: | i currently have myth set to record to its default directory then binded that directory to the mount location of my portable hdd |
| [04:34:25] | CaptObviousman: | I don't think it'll be this loud normally. And yeah, I'm gonna set it up to use the network drive for its target |
| [04:34:43] | jesse: | yes i did.. it seems to be a problem specific to ubuntu/mythbuntu |
| [04:34:51] | CaptObviousman: | doesn't that mean everything goes across the network twice? |
| [04:34:53] | jesse: | i think i will try it w/ arch this weekend |
| [04:35:06] | CaptObviousman: | once there writing TO HD, then again back off when playing it 2 seconds later |
| [04:35:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: I guess I'd first check that DMA is enabled on your hdd... |
| [04:35:11] | jesse: | yeah |
| [04:35:16] | jesse: | it would capt |
| [04:35:30] | jesse: | DMA? |
| [04:35:56] | jesse: | i'm not having a harddrive problem .. thats all running well |
| [04:36:29] | jesse: | just had to figure out how to fully extend RW privs w/ ubuntus lame protection |
| [04:36:52] | jesse: | my user could rw to the hdd no problem however a program run by my user could couldnt.. |
| [04:37:21] | jesse: | but a little mount — bind -o rw /dir 1 / dir 2 and bango |
| [04:37:49] | jesse: | only thing about binding directories.. they must be the same extension |
| [04:38:13] | jesse: | hey J-e-f-f-A you think using ext3 for my storage drive would have anything to do w/ shitty playback? |
| [04:38:29] | jesse: | is ext3 bad about transferring rapidly? |
| [04:38:41] | Aval0n-: | justinh: you around? |
| [04:38:52] | jesse: | i've always used it w/o fault for my OSs but i'm new to the mythtv world |
| [04:39:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: I don't think so... I personally use jfs, but I'm sure ext3 is fine. |
| [04:39:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: Is your hdd pata or sata? |
| [04:39:58] | jesse: | alright.. i'm going to assume it has more to do w/ ubuntu.. personally i dont like ubuntu other than for its fast setup |
| [04:40:36] | jesse: | its a sata2 that i can either run esata or usb2.0 to my pc... currently i am running usb2.0 to my machine bc i couldnt seem to get it to work properly w/ esata |
| [04:41:12] | jesse: | i have my 500g partitioned into 1 450g partition and 1 remaining 50ish gigs |
| [04:41:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: That is probably your issue then... were you using it usb2.0 when it was working? |
| [04:41:23] | jesse: | yes |
| [04:41:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | humm... |
| [04:41:31] | jesse: | everything was the exact same |
| [04:41:34] | jesse: | other than OS |
| [04:41:43] | jesse: | i used the same bind command even |
| [04:41:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Perhaps ubuntu's usb driver isn't as efficient as the other os... what was the other os? |
| [04:41:48] | jesse: | same everything |
| [04:41:57] | jesse: | mythdora |
| [04:42:10] | jesse: | i havent had the time to set it up in a real os yet |
| [04:42:22] | jesse: | i think i will once i have time... |
| [04:42:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | ok... Well, I'm running my system on FC6 — for about a year and a half now... My frontends are FC6 as well, except for a Xebian X-Box frontend... |
| [04:42:43] | jesse: | i was planning to set up arch linux as soon as i had a free day but thought if i got mythbuntu to work fine may i wouldnt |
| [04:43:04] | jesse: | everything workign well? |
| [04:43:34] | jesse: | o and how well does the xbox front end work out? i've considered adding one to my setup so my living room could also connect |
| [04:43:53] | jesse: | i'm in an apartment and all the guys i live w/ think its a pretty cool system |
| [04:44:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: Yes. I have to admit that I've since updated my backend to SVN, and have lagged updating my frontends, so I'm only using UPnP devices as players at the moment (besides the backend occasionaly as a frontend too) |
| [04:44:34] | jesse: | hmm |
| [04:44:39] | jesse: | maybe i'll give mythdora another go |
| [04:44:57] | jesse: | and try to update it.. its great other than mythdora 4.0 has the old myth on it |
| [04:45:10] | jesse: | i need the newer version w/ sched dir. rather than data dir |
| [04:45:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: I soft-modded my xbox — it works well, if you account for the fact that it's only got 64mb ram, so it does alot of swapping. It also only does SD – isn't fast enough for HD. (Only a Celeron 733) |
| [04:45:16] | jesse: | how hard is it to go to svn? |
| [04:45:39] | jesse: | ooo |
| [04:45:59] | jesse: | i heard the PS3 is easy to get linux on |
| [04:45:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: If you've got a combined fe/be system, svn is pretty easy. If you're running remote frontends too, you've got to keep them in sync with the backend.... |
| [04:46:16] | jesse: | hmm |
| [04:46:36] | jesse: | i may have to investigate this farther |
| [04:46:45] | jesse: | first however i will give arch linux a try |
| [04:46:54] | jesse: | i'm more familiar w/ arch than FC* |
| [04:47:05] | jesse: | i started out w/ FC5 then i wanted to use dual monitors |
| [04:47:27] | jesse: | after attempting to get the nvidia driver working in vain i switched to slackware |
| [04:47:29] | jesse: | lol |
| [04:47:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: I have a former co-worker that heard about my Myth system and built his own on MythDora — he loves it, and it was much easier for him to setup his system than when I built my first system on FC3 with Jarod's guide... ;-) |
| [04:47:33] | jesse: | been a slackman ever since |
| [04:47:53] | jesse: | lol |
| [04:47:59] | jesse: | yeah mythdora is CAKE |
| [04:48:05] | jesse: | even has IR blasting supported |
| [04:48:07] | jesse: | :) |
| [04:48:14] | jesse: | but does need to be updated |
| [04:48:34] | jesse: | i think i would personally like to use arch if i can simply bc i'm more familiar w/ it |
| [04:48:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: As long as it's 0.20.2, it will work with schedulesdirect... |
| [04:48:46] | jesse: | yeah i know |
| [04:48:53] | jesse: | but svn has the weather fix right? |
| [04:49:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm experimenting with an Ubuntu backend atm... |
| [04:49:22] | jesse: | dont waste your time lol |
| [04:49:31] | jesse: | from my own experience its not worth it lol |
| [04:49:43] | jesse: | i mean its really easy to set up using mythbuntu |
| [04:49:47] | jesse: | but doesnt run as well |
| [04:49:49] | jesse: | :-\ |
| [04:49:53] | jesse: | atleast not on my box lol |
| [04:50:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: Yes – svn has the mythweather fixes... When adding your screens, press "M" to select a source for that screen. (It should pop up 'automagically' imho, but perhaps there's not a way to do that)... |
| [04:50:14] | fryfrog: | My ubuntu systems do just fine, but i'm using SVN trunk |
| [04:50:44] | jesse: | i dunno maybe i need to play w/ it more |
| [04:50:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm testing it with trunk too... Myth is working fine, just trying out some other addins... |
| [04:51:04] | jesse: | i'm taking 3 lectures 2 labs and putting in 30ish hours a week at the firm i work for sooo lol |
| [04:51:08] | jesse: | not alot of free time |
| [04:51:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: You're not sleeping, are you? If you are, that should give you at least another 6 hours a day if you quit doing that! ;-) What kind of geek are you? ;-) |
| [04:52:00] | jesse: | lol |
| [04:52:11] | jesse: | well i'm an electrical engineer lol |
| [04:52:33] | jesse: | tho i favor home theater / computers for hobbies lol |
| [04:52:43] | jesse: | also fly a little RC heli/ airplane |
| [04:52:43] | jesse: | lol |
| [04:53:01] | jesse: | and rock climb, lift, mt bike, and cliff dive lol |
| [04:53:05] | jesse: | tell me how that combo works out |
| [04:53:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: Cool... that's what I thought I'd be growing up... My dad taught me electronics since I was like 6 or 7... Then I took all 4 years at HS... A little time at Devry Institute of 'crapology'... |
| [04:53:43] | jesse: | lol |
| [04:53:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: .... then I got a job in the computer industry, and have been there for the last 20 years... now a Sr. Technical Analyst... ;-) |
| [04:53:54] | jesse: | gs |
| [04:53:55] | jesse: | lol |
| [04:54:01] | jesse: | i'm only a co-op right now :( |
| [04:54:02] | jesse: | lol |
| [04:54:16] | jesse: | i like the firm i'm at but i dunno.. kinda wanna see / do more |
| [04:54:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: A buddy of mine is an Electrical Engineer, and he makes about the same as me (within 5k) |
| [04:54:39] | jesse: | yeah .. i dunno i wonder if i'll be happy riding a desk tho lol |
| [04:54:47] | jesse: | i've looked into going military |
| [04:55:07] | jesse: | ppl w/ engineering degrees often are first pick for pilots |
| [04:55:18] | jesse: | if they meet physical reqs that is |
| [04:55:27] | jesse: | and to my knowledge i'm perfect for it |
| [04:55:40] | jesse: | i have better than 20/20 |
| [04:55:52] | jesse: | and height / weight wise i'm good |
| [04:55:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: I never did serve in the military as I have a bad back from a head-on accident with a drunk driver when I was 17... (He was drunk, not me...) |
| [04:56:19] | jesse: | sorry to hear man... |
| [04:56:33] | jesse: | I dunno i guess i'm still trying to figure out what i want out of life |
| [04:56:39] | jesse: | do i wanna do the wife and kids thing |
| [04:56:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: Hey, that's alright. I've got a desk job, so I'm not killing my back doing physical stuff... ;-) |
| [04:56:51] | jesse: | or do i wanna give my life to my career |
| [04:57:11] | jesse: | lol theres nothing wrong w/ that.. i figure as long as you're happy you're doing good |
| [04:57:20] | jesse: | i just dont know what will make me happy lol |
| [04:57:50] | jesse: | i'm a bit of a commitaphob but lately i've been getting tired of the single life.. lol |
| [04:58:05] | jesse: | starting to think maybe getting serious w/ someone wouldnt be so bad |
| [04:58:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: I'll be really happy if I get my invention patented... Because it could really take off, and I wouldn't have to work... ;-) |
| [04:58:23] | jesse: | lol |
| [04:58:29] | jesse: | thats cool |
| [04:58:49] | jesse: | I'd like to get into R&D w/ renewable energy |
| [04:59:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | I dropped the ball 17 years ago, and I don't want to make the same mistake again... My buddy was on the fire department, and asked me if I could make him a couple of 12v strobe lights for his truck... |
| [04:59:11] | jesse: | i've been working in consulting / PME engineering tho |
| [05:00:01] | jesse: | lol who would have thought something so simple would bring in such money you know |
| [05:00:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | I said "Well, I don't know the high-voltage electronics yet, and am a bit afraid of that at the moment. But you know what... LED's turn on and off instantly (within a few nanoseconds)... we could create some simulated strobe lights... " |
| [05:00:23] | jesse: | yeah |
| [05:00:28] | jesse: | just use a 555 timer |
| [05:00:34] | jesse: | and a flip flop |
| [05:00:37] | jesse: | and you're set |
| [05:00:46] | jesse: | maybe a mux if you wanna make them chase lol |
| [05:00:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | "... They wouldn't be as bright as strobes, but would definitely get attention." He said "nah, would cost too much, and wouldn't be bright enough." I gave in — dumb A$$!!! I could have been RICH!!!! |
| [05:01:09] | jesse: | yeah lol |
| [05:01:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | 17 years ago.... ugh... makes me sick every time I think of it... |
| [05:01:26] | jesse: | lol |
| [05:01:30] | jesse: | it happens man |
| [05:01:37] | jesse: | hind sight is 20/20 |
| [05:01:58] | jesse: | when i was about 10 yrs old i thought of that whole roller skate / tennis shoe thing |
| [05:02:14] | jesse: | then i just kind of let it go lol |
| [05:02:28] | jesse: | why didnt i go back to it when i was like 16 lol |
| [05:02:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: Yep. So I've got to get this idea pateted before somebody else thinks of it... it's simple, and could be very, very big... It's a safety device for cars... |
| [05:02:53] | jesse: | thats cool |
| [05:03:16] | jesse: | i'd say you could trust me not to take your invention but other ppl could read this too sooo lol |
| [05:03:40] | jesse: | my uncle is an inverter of sorts tho so we're pretty big on not taking others ideas |
| [05:03:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: Hey, well I better crash... it's midnight and I've got to be at work at 8am... And it's an hour drive... (yuck)... That's what I get for living in the Boston area! |
| [05:03:49] | jesse: | i've actually helped him quite a bit w/ things on his stuff |
| [05:03:58] | jesse: | lol |
| [05:04:07] | jesse: | yeah i better crash too |
| [05:04:13] | jesse: | gettin up at 6am and doin HW!!!! |
| [05:04:14] | jesse: | lol |
| [05:04:22] | jesse: | prolly wont go into the office tomorrow at all tho lol |
| [05:04:25] | jesse: | damn labs all day |
| [05:04:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | jesse: I've shared it with another inventor friend, and he said "That's a great idea!!!!" (and he was trying to play devil's advocate...) |
| [05:04:37] | jesse: | lol |
| [05:04:51] | jesse: | that does happen at times.. unfortunately |
| [05:04:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | ttyl... ;-) |
| [05:05:00] | jesse: | good luck on the inventing sir |
| [05:05:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | thx |
| [05:05:30] | jesse: | if i decide to go mythdora i'll look you up on here sometime let you know how it goes |
| [05:06:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok... I'm usually signed on 24x7, but only physically present on nights or weekends... (US Eastern time);-) |
| [05:07:06] | ** J-e-f-f-A ZZZZZzzzzzz...... ** | |
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| [05:20:25] | defaultro: | anyone seen cloverfield? Does it suck or was it a cool movie? |
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| [05:40:00] | leprasmurf: | hello all, I'm trying to view weather in mythweb, but no information is displayed (looks like the template is intact, but none of the sections contain data) |
| [05:40:03] | leprasmurf: | any advice? |
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| [05:48:28] | hads: | leprasmurf: Version? |
| [05:49:01] | hads: | If you aren't running trunk then it will be broken. |
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| [05:56:11] | leprasmurf: | sorry, 0.20 |
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| [05:56:45] | leprasmurf: | unless you're asking what version of mythweather |
| [05:57:51] | hads: | mythtv/mythweather, the version will be the same. |
| [05:58:45] | hads: | It's a known issue, it is fixed in the new release. |
| [05:58:53] | leprasmurf: | oic |
| [05:58:58] | hads: | s/is/will be/ |
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| [05:59:14] | leprasmurf: | any idea when the next release is coming? |
| [05:59:26] | hads: | March-ish |
| [05:59:44] | leprasmurf: | sweet, just in time for spore:-D |
| [05:59:55] | hads: | spore? |
| [06:00:01] | leprasmurf: | no correlation outside of my own method of madness |
| [06:00:12] | hads: | Makes me think of mould :) |
| [06:00:24] | iamlindoro: | pffft, if you mean march 09 |
| [06:00:29] | leprasmurf: | heh, it's a new sim game from the designer of the sims |
| [06:00:31] | tjcarter: | hads: VEGEMITE! |
| [06:00:42] | tjcarter: | *retch* |
| [06:00:49] | ** hads likes Vegemite ** | |
| [06:01:01] | tjcarter: | *hork* |
| [06:01:05] | hads: | :) |
| [06:01:07] | leprasmurf: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore_%28video_game%29 |
| [06:01:30] | iamlindoro: | It ain't coming out in March, that's for sure |
| [06:01:45] | hads: | iamlindoro: Do you control the release these days? |
| [06:02:05] | iamlindoro: | Nope, but apparently neither do they ;) |
| [06:02:07] | leprasmurf: | "tentative for spring of '08" |
| [06:02:14] | leprasmurf: | don't burst my bubble dammit:-P |
| [06:02:40] | iamlindoro: | Heh... *very* tentative |
| [06:02:59] | iamlindoro: | But yes, it's a safe bet that .21 will be out well (and I mean WELL) before Spore |
| [06:03:08] | tjcarter: | It'll be out two weeks after DNF |
| [06:03:21] | leprasmurf: | lol |
| [06:03:26] | leprasmurf: | I was waiting for that reference |
| [06:04:22] | hads: | There's been a couple of mentions of March by core developers so they are obviously aiming for that at least. |
| [06:05:11] | iamlindoro: | Heh, except there's all this news about amazon putting the release as March 3... except what is it now on Amazon? Whooops, May 1. |
| [06:06:18] | leprasmurf: | iamlindoro: you just can't help but to take that pin to my bubble huh:-P |
| [06:06:33] | leprasmurf: | hads: never upgraded a myth system, is it a pain? |
| [06:06:57] | hads: | leprasmurf: Not at all usually, the upgrade should be handled automatically for you. |
| [06:07:08] | iamlindoro: | leprasmurf: See the following in the intervening time: Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, erm... Oh, Lost Odyssey... what else... |
| [06:07:09] | leprasmurf: | sweet |
| [06:07:19] | iamlindoro: | Oh, maybe some more bioshock and portal... |
| [06:07:41] | Aval0n-: | hey iamlindoro, maybe I can pick your brain again quickly |
| [06:07:50] | iamlindoro: | Aval0n-: Sure |
| [06:07:56] | Aval0n-: | I had a HD recording that recorded tonight after my SVN upgrade. |
| [06:07:58] | leprasmurf: | bah, I'll stick with WoW until spore comes along:-P |
| [06:08:08] | Aval0n-: | for the first 30 seconds or so |
| [06:08:15] | Aval0n-: | it was extremely blocky/low quality |
| [06:08:20] | Aval0n-: | then it picked up and was normal again |
| [06:08:22] | tjcarter: | what was that PS3 game? |
| [06:08:24] | tjcarter: | the good one |
| [06:08:31] | Aval0n-: | there's a good ps3 game? |
| [06:08:38] | tjcarter: | Aval0n-: yeah, like one. |
| [06:08:39] | Aval0n-: | when did that happen? |
| [06:09:00] | tjcarter: | Aval0n-: justifies the PS3 as more than just a firmware-updating-often bluray player |
| [06:09:12] | Aval0n-: | psssh |
| [06:09:14] | Aval0n-: | :) |
| [06:09:31] | iamlindoro: | Aval0n-: That's unusual, and almost certainly had to happen at the source, as digital artifacting that comes from poor signal obviously is different than that |
| [06:09:32] | Aval0n-: | I loved my xbox until it RRoD on me :P |
| [06:09:59] | FinnTux: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/311829 <- this happened to me too. anyone know what is going on? |
| [06:10:01] | Aval0n-: | iamlindoro: yeah I have no idea what cause it |
| [06:10:05] | iamlindoro: | Aval0n-: It *may* be that they were having trouble with their HD feed and substituted the SD, upsampled, until they got the feed back online |
| [06:10:17] | Aval0n-: | hmm |
| [06:10:22] | iamlindoro: | because, obviously, no encoding of the video is taking place at your end |
| [06:10:27] | Aval0n-: | it DID look like SD at first |
| [06:10:38] | iamlindoro: | Aval0n-: I've had it happen here before for that reason |
| [06:10:46] | iamlindoro: | thankfully very infrequent |
| [06:10:46] | Aval0n-: | interesting |
| [06:10:55] | Aval0n-: | I'll have to keep my eyes open for it again |
| [06:10:56] | hachi: | mythfrontend is causing my X server to shut down, I'm really lost how how the devil to debug it |
| [06:11:10] | Aval0n-: | also at the end of the recording I got a little skipping/stuttering |
| [06:11:15] | hachi: | it's not causing a kernel panic |
| [06:11:18] | Aval0n-: | wif ewas rolling her eyes again |
| [06:11:22] | Aval0n-: | "damned myth" |
| [06:11:28] | Aval0n-: | is what she calls it |
| [06:11:42] | iamlindoro: | Aval0n-: Well *that* could be poor signal, or your box... backend log would tell you for sure |
| [06:12:06] | iamlindoro: | or if you did a transcode on that snippet, and got a bunch of "ac-tex damaged," you know it's signal |
| [06:12:19] | Aval0n-: | ahh |
| [06:12:25] | Aval0n-: | I've never transcoded anything so far |
| [06:12:29] | Aval0n-: | just watch/delete |
| [06:12:33] | iamlindoro: | transcode with ffmpeg or mencoder, that is |
| [06:13:11] | iamlindoro: | But probably not worth it... Just tell the wife you'll get right on it and go get a drink |
| [06:13:19] | Aval0n-: | lol |
| [06:13:32] | Aval0n-: | she highly prefers our dish dvr over the mythtv system |
| [06:13:42] | Aval0n-: | that upsets me :P |
| [06:13:50] | Aval0n-: | its just too expensive |
| [06:13:57] | Aval0n-: | which is why myth was built to get rid of it |
| [06:13:57] | hachi: | mythwelcome: Fatal IO error: client killed |
| [06:14:04] | hachi: | anyone have a clue how I can debug this? |
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| [06:16:11] | iamlindoro: | Aval0n-: my solution for the GF was to edit the menu XMLs and simplify all the way down to like *five* menu options, and only five, and put them in her user directory... when she uses myth, the only options are "Watch TV," "Watch a Movie," "Watch a recording," "Listen to Music," and "Watch a DVD" |
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| [06:16:45] | iamlindoro: | Aval0n-: And she don't live here so she don't get to schedule a *damn* thing. ;) |
| [06:17:09] | iamlindoro: | but if I had to set that up, I'd confine her to mythweb. |
| [06:17:18] | iamlindoro: | which is simple as hell |
| [06:17:47] | mzb_d800: | iamlindoro: I like that solution ... but the problem here is that both of us use the frontends ... my solution so far is to do hotkeys on the remote, and only show her parts of the menu system (she's too afraid that she'll break it if she explores;) |
| [06:18:25] | hachi: | blah, I get lirc working with my remote finally after two weeks, and the moment this is done, mythfrontend refuses to run anymore |
| [06:18:42] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800: Yeah, the cohabitating is tough. :) |
| [06:18:42] | Aval0n-: | i just map a button on my remote to program finder |
| [06:18:47] | Aval0n-: | she schedules from there. |
| [06:19:56] | mzb_d800: | the only advantage I've got atm with "sharing" the technology, is that if something else doesn't get done (or I'm running late;) then I can say "I was working on YOUR mythtv box all day!!!" |
| [06:19:57] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [06:20:04] | iamlindoro: | I suppose if I wanted to be fancy I could take her templates, and put a last option titled "Expert Mode" at the bottom that leads straight into a regular myth menu setup. ie, lay her "simple" template one layer *above* the normal menus |
| [06:20:07] | hachi: | is there a way I can ask mythtv to not use GL for rendering the menus and to go back to QT? |
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| [06:20:23] | Tanthrix: | hachi: It's in the appearance settings. |
| [06:20:34] | Tanthrix: | hachi: First page actually. |
| [06:20:45] | hachi: | can't get there because I can't launch it |
| [06:20:57] | hachi: | like I've been saying, frontend crashes x server on startup |
| [06:21:01] | iamlindoro: | mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [06:21:08] | Tanthrix: | What he said. |
| [06:21:12] | Aval0n-: | what's faster opengl or qt |
| [06:21:26] | mzb_d800: | depends on the system & gpu |
| [06:21:48] | iamlindoro: | They both suck balls. Bring on MythUI. |
| [06:22:14] | mzb_d800: | opengl adds a lot of fancy features that you won't appreciate unless you've got gear fast enough to support it |
| [06:22:20] | iamlindoro: | then I can toss my already-embarassingly-limited knowledge of themes right out the window |
| [06:23:12] | Aval0n-: | fancy like what? |
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| [06:23:25] | Aval0n-: | like me-po? |
| [06:23:34] | Aval0n-: | little dancing guy that's like 3fps |
| [06:23:35] | Aval0n-: | :) |
| [06:24:04] | kdub: | mepo ruins that freaking theme |
| [06:24:12] | kdub: | it would be alright if it wasnt for that little bastard |
| [06:24:15] | Aval0n-: | lol |
| [06:24:19] | iamlindoro: | I have a few theme ideas that I'd like to try, but I don't see a point taking up theming until MythUI is done, since it seems the whole method will change |
| [06:25:18] | Aval0n-: | yeah |
| [06:25:30] | mzb_d800: | Aval0n: mine hasn't quite got to the scheduling stage yet ... although she's indicated interest (getting sick of "Bob the Builder" and movies with subtitles) |
| [06:25:49] | Aval0n-: | lol' |
| [06:26:28] | Aval0n-: | what is justinh's site again |
| [06:26:33] | Aval0n-: | myththemes.co.uk? |
| [06:26:42] | mzb_d800: | something like that |
| [06:26:48] | iamlindoro: | mythtvthemes |
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| [06:29:04] | mzb_d800: | I've got 3 hot buttons on this Leadtek remote (serial receiver) ... TV, FM and DVD .. and I've got it all setup so that they give (real) TV, shuffled music videos and MythTV (resp.) |
| [06:29:23] | mzb_d800: | for each action, the amp is muted to start with, and unmuted at the end |
| [06:29:59] | mzb_d800: | for TV (from the STB), the amp (sony receiver) is changed from VIDEO to TV, and the vcr is changed from 9 to A1 |
| [06:30:35] | mzb_d800: | oh ... and it also selects the most likely # that is going to be watched on the STB (depending on the time of day+week) |
| [06:30:48] | mzb_d800: | that should keep her happy ;) |
| [06:31:47] | mzb_d800: | problem is I have to get it to the stage where her sister can use it for a week (house sitting while we're away) |
| [06:33:23] | mzb_d800: | bit of an issue: xen server has drive problems when either tuner is connected ... so only using single tuner atm (main frontend is not fast enough for 2x tuners ++ watching, without destroying the recordings) |
| [06:35:10] | iamlindoro: | You know the worst part about firewire recording? You find out just how painfully low-bitrate the cable company transmits Standard Def channels. *Under* 2500 Kbit/s on all the SD channels. |
| [06:35:49] | iamlindoro: | The HD channels are nice 17 Mbit streams, but SD? Yecchhhhhh. |
| [06:38:45] | compy: | i have both Video_TS/Audio_TS and .iso for my dvd's. Do i need both, or lets say if i did not have the .iso would the movie still play through the .vobs and visa versa |
| [06:39:15] | compy: | if i did not have the .vob would the .iso play? or are they dependent on eachother |
| [06:39:48] | iamlindoro: | iso is a disk image, and encompasses the VOBs/directory structure |
| [06:39:57] | iamlindoro: | Why do you have both? |
| [06:40:06] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like you have two copies of the same thing |
| [06:40:09] | compy: | i dont know... when i rip through k9copy it just makes both |
| [06:40:22] | compy: | ok so if i were to back up my dvd's which is better to have the .iso or .vob |
| [06:40:24] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like it probably rips the VOBs and makes an ISO out of them |
| [06:40:32] | iamlindoro: | iso, it preserves the menus |
| [06:40:55] | iamlindoro: | well, not that the vobs don't, so long as you kept *everything* including the IFOs, etc. |
| [06:40:57] | compy: | ok so other than that there is no other advantage/ disadvantage? |
| [06:41:06] | iamlindoro: | But ISOs are easier to deal with, just one file for the whole disk |
| [06:41:21] | iamlindoro: | no quality difference, if that's what you mean. |
| [06:41:43] | compy: | ok |
| [06:41:51] | compy: | so you perfer .iso? |
| [06:42:07] | iamlindoro: | Yes. Dealing with all those VOBs and IFOs would be a nightmare. |
| [06:42:12] | compy: | and if i delete the Audio_ts and Video_ts the .iso will still play? |
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| [06:42:26] | iamlindoro: | Presuming they are two identical copies, yes. |
| [06:42:35] | iamlindoro: | One is not dependent on the other. |
| [06:42:57] | compy: | ok |
| [06:44:19] | mzb_d800: | time for me to have a 4xSH (sh!t, shower, shampoo and a shave) ... have fun all ;) ... bbl |
| [06:44:38] | compy: | one more question if you dont mind. What should i refer to the audio_ts and video_ts folders Do i refer to them as .VOB files? |
| [06:44:46] | compy: | or do they have an actual name of file type |
| [06:45:31] | iamlindoro: | VOB is as good a name as anything, I suppose... the folders, VOBs, and IFOs together make up the DVD Standard file structure. |
| [06:45:44] | iamlindoro: | but the VOBs are the "meat," they're the video. |
| [06:45:57] | compy: | sweet and i assume you can go from VOB -> ISO and ISO -> VOB? |
| [06:46:15] | mzb_d800: | e |
| [06:46:49] | iamlindoro: | ISO=a bit-for-bit image of the entire disk, including the folder structure. VOB=A video file included on that disk. VOB+IFOs+folder structure could be used to produce an ISO, yes. |
| [06:48:48] | compy: | thanks |
| [06:51:12] | mzb_d800: | s/e/oops .. B.B.L.... finally |
| [07:00:44] | clever: | damnit |
| [07:00:52] | clever: | deep space9 is being cut off by boxing |
| [07:01:24] | clever: | and theres no repeats |
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| [07:20:37] | tjcarter: | clever: so go beat the hell out of the boxers to get it back on? |
| [07:21:06] | tjcarter: | it's trek, they've been showing it for like 45 years |
| [07:21:12] | tjcarter: | presumably the pattern will continue |
| [07:23:21] | hachi: | shouldn't VLC be able to play the video files from mythtv just fine? |
| [07:23:36] | hachi: | the mpeg2 streams, as pulled from a PVR150 I mean |
| [07:23:41] | hachi: | not the nuppelvideo files |
| [07:24:43] | Dagmar: | Yes |
| [07:26:06] | hachi: | I've got a jitter at the 25 or so second mark in that causes VLC to just speed up |
| [07:26:20] | Dagmar: | So report it to the VLC people |
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| [07:30:40] | MaverickTech: | hi there |
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| [07:31:15] | MaverickTech: | does anybody know if back-to-back recordings should overlap out of the box with the multirec stuff ? |
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| [08:03:42] | baalsgate: | hi |
| [08:03:56] | baalsgate: | anyone using centos 5.1 i386 ? |
| [08:04:53] | baalsgate: | having some problems getting ivtv-kmdl installed for kernal 2.6.18–53.1.6.el5 , help please ?/ |
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| [08:30:00] | Dagmar: | Is MythWeather still broken? I can't seem to find anything about the revamp |
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| [08:30:33] | hads: | revamp has been merged to trunk |
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| [08:35:04] | Dagmar: | Hmm... |
| [08:35:14] | Dagmar: | Is that compatible with 0.20-fixes plugins? |
| [08:35:30] | hads: | Nope. |
| [08:35:33] | Dagmar: | Or rather, are any of the plugins from trunk going to be able to work with 0.20-fixes is what I should... |
| [08:35:35] | Dagmar: | Okay, thanks |
| [08:35:37] | Dagmar: | Saves me a lot of trouble |
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| [09:20:50] | tjcarter: | Should I be concerned by a webstore whose pages are all Copyright 2006 and a product is "Out of stock – more in February 2006!" |
| [09:20:57] | tjcarter: | I think I should. |
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| [09:23:14] | tjcarter: | I'm looking for solutions to the analog 5.1 speaker problem |
| [09:23:39] | tjcarter: | the problem is I bought speakers in late 2006 rather than mid 2007 |
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| [09:25:47] | tjcarter: | Basically, for digital speakers as good as what I've got, I'll pay $300. This is unreasonable. Virtual 5.1 is a virtual joke. |
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| [09:26:11] | tjcarter: | And I would like at least one actual spdif input into the thing that can handle ac3 |
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| [09:31:41] | tjcarter: | http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?c . . . 91&nav=1 |
| [09:31:46] | tjcarter: | opposite of what I want |
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| [09:58:12] | anykey_: | Is there a way to display mythvideo as a gallery in mythweb? |
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| [10:02:13] | hads: | Isn't it normally? |
| [10:04:06] | hashbang: | justinh: http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ITAG=FAQ& . . . doy=23m1#faq # 14.99, no idea if it's Linux-compatible or not |
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| [10:06:38] | anykey_: | hads: i see the movies in a list that goes down |
| [10:07:24] | hads: | Oh actually I think it's changed in trunk. It's gallery-like for me. |
| [10:07:34] | anykey_: | yeah, I'm running trunk |
| [10:08:53] | hads: | Well mine are in like 200px square divs floated left so they appear in a gallery-like view. |
| [10:09:38] | anykey_: | mine are 100% width (running 15448) |
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| [10:10:32] | hads: | Weird. I'm on 15565. |
| [10:11:42] | Dagmar: | Very odd |
| [10:12:03] | Dagmar: | "Someday" I'll be finished building the transcode deps, adn I'll be able to start debugging again |
| [10:13:27] | hads: | anykey_: http://hadley.rich.gen.nz/tmp/snap1.png 'scuse the launcher in the middle there. |
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| [10:16:42] | anykey_: | hads: http://www.dmesg.ch/stuff/mythvideo.png |
| [10:16:44] | anykey_: | any idea? |
| [10:17:18] | anykey_: | I could try firefox |
| [10:17:23] | hads: | heh, that's pretty munted. |
| [10:17:40] | hads: | Try FF see what happens. |
| [10:17:55] | anykey_: | same with ff |
| [10:18:28] | hads: | Something is odd on your backend then. I would have thought Safari would be OK anyway as I use Konqueror and the rendering isn't too different. |
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| [10:18:55] | anykey_: | yeah, but what could be odd? |
| [10:19:25] | hads: | No idea off the top of my head. Try the logs of your http (apache?) server. |
| [10:19:36] | anykey_: | lighttpd, could it be that? |
| [10:19:43] | hads: | See if there's any 404's or anything. |
| [10:19:59] | anykey_: | oh good idea |
| [10:20:16] | hads: | I've never tried mythweb with lighty |
| [10:21:14] | anykey_: | 404 for a css |
| [10:21:18] | anykey_: | that could explain it |
| [10:21:23] | hads: | That'll be it :) |
| [10:22:41] | justinh: | hashbang: thanks for the headsup but I don't do Maplin |
| [10:23:03] | justinh: | shops with a clue ftw! |
| [10:23:49] | justinh: | however, they seem to have an avermedia pci dvb-t tuner for twenty quid too |
| [10:24:06] | directhex|bsp: | they were upsetted at me when i advised someone NOT to spent £350 on a 2-generations-old radeon |
| [10:24:20] | quicksilver: | hee hee |
| [10:24:31] | directhex|bsp: | it was my little rebellion at needing to pay £90 for a low-end socket 939 motherboard, and having no alternative places to buy |
| [10:24:39] | hads: | Avermedia A800 USB is linux compatible. Also Technotrend T1500. |
| [10:24:48] | justinh: | dixons staff got upset when I told an old dear in there trying to buy a DVB radio that they were lying to her |
| [10:25:05] | justinh: | er.. DAB radio |
| [10:25:55] | justinh: | and the reason I went off Maplin in such a big way was the "hi, I'm after some video coax cable" and the "ok sit, would you like PCI express or AGP?" |
| [10:27:18] | justinh: | hey that pci dvb-t tuner by avermedia works in linux. hope it's not poo |
| [10:27:50] | justinh: | I'd just buy a USB tuner if I could only trust one of them stupid pen things as far as I could throw one |
| [10:27:50] | directhex|bsp: | maplins are very sucky, but they were my only hope when my last mobo explodinated |
| [10:28:09] | directhex|bsp: | let's be fair here, you can throw them pretty far |
| [10:28:21] | justinh: | you've not seen me throw :P |
| [10:28:28] | hashbang: | justinh: Meh, I've found Maplin usually have precisely one member of staff with clue, and besides, with their 10 day money-back guarantee, I don't really care about informed advice, most of the time. |
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| [10:29:06] | justinh: | hey good point. buy it, no work in linux, take it back no questions asked |
| [10:29:34] | justinh: | from scan.. buy it, no work in linux. pay £15 testing fee & have them say works in windows and be stuck with the card |
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| [10:31:11] | hashbang: | justinh: 'zactly |
| [10:31:16] | justinh: | scan are generally the cheapest in the land but their customer service stinks |
| [10:31:50] | hashbang: | justinh: sometimes Maplin are über-cheap, sometimes (especially on things that have fast moving prices, such as RAM) they're really uncompetitive. |
| [10:32:17] | directhex|bsp: | they're diabolical for pc components costing ov er £20 |
| [10:32:28] | justinh: | yeah but your typical sandal wearing beardy doesn't want to shop around ;) |
| [10:32:36] | directhex|bsp: | and i abuse my status to get preferential treatment from scan |
| [10:32:48] | hashbang: | justinh: Maplin's sales tend to be fairly good – I picked up a wifi router and USB wifi stick for 39.99, which is OK compared with mailorder, considering no delivery charges and instant gratification. |
| [10:32:58] | justinh: | scan's customer services manager is a proper harridan |
| [10:33:32] | directhex|bsp: | who's that? |
| [10:33:48] | justinh: | can't remember her name. she's always there come rain or shine |
| [10:33:58] | hashbang: | I used to use dabs for bits, but now use insight as we have a cost + fixed margin discount scheme through work. |
| [10:34:49] | hashbang: | I've been impressed with Insight's customer services too; they replaced a cheapy switch whose PSU died due to failed electrolytic caps |
| [10:35:02] | hashbang: | no questions asked, no need to even return the failed switch |
| [10:35:06] | justinh: | the discount we get on HDDs is nice because of the numbers we buy. but because our purchasing dept are bastards we can't just take a canny couple of hard drives oot wor wages like ;) |
| [10:35:12] | hashbang: | (which I repaired for 1.80GBP !) |
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| [10:36:38] | justinh: | seagate 1TB HDDs have a list price of £silly but on our database it's around£secret – much much less than shop prices. Like 40% off |
| [10:37:07] | directhex|bsp: | free shipping tips me towards scan for most things |
| [10:37:24] | directhex|bsp: | komplett and microdirect and aria in that order as reserve options |
| [10:37:30] | directhex|bsp: | kustompcs for esoteric stuff |
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| [10:41:01] | tjcarter: | directhex: I'm REASONABLY good at this, but I'm not as good as I suspect you are.. =) |
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| [10:41:41] | hashbang: | justinh: cool. I'd pay 171.19 through insight. |
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| [10:42:32] | tjcarter: | directhex: Building a new myth box from scratch, aiming for something like HDHomeRun for input. Goal: 2 HD tuners, 1 playback, standalone, aiming for cheap. |
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| [10:43:39] | directhex|bsp: | hdhomerun is network attached, isn't it? |
| [10:43:44] | tjcarter: | yes |
| [10:43:58] | directhex|bsp: | so you don't seem to actually need any internal tuners? |
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| [10:44:09] | tjcarter: | I'm figuring the way to do it cheap is to throw the cheapest AMD64 I can get at it |
| [10:44:18] | directhex|bsp: | yes, that'd be cheap |
| [10:44:23] | tjcarter: | if there were internal tuners, they'd be hardware tuners. |
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| [10:44:36] | directhex|bsp: | honestly though, the area where you could sink the most money isn't on the cpu or board, it's the case |
| [10:44:49] | tjcarter: | I know. |
| [10:44:49] | Dagmar: | Yep |
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| [10:44:56] | Dagmar: | "PVR" cases cost a bloody mint |
| [10:44:57] | directhex|bsp: | if you want something that screams "beige, £20" you can get it. a nice maching for the living room starts getting expensive very quickly |
| [10:45:19] | tjcarter: | although if you don't want tiny tiny HTPC, they're not too bad anymore |
| [10:45:35] | Dagmar: | ...and there's Krylon. :) |
| [10:45:35] | anykey_: | hads: it works with apache. I don't see a way to create categories though. Is this possible? |
| [10:45:57] | hads: | anykey_: Not sure, I don't actually use it :) |
| [10:46:01] | tjcarter: | SilverStone model with HTPC layout, but generally a full-size desktop case |
| [10:46:15] | anykey_: | hads: ok |
| [10:46:17] | directhex|bsp: | hm, be wary of silverstone cases |
| [10:46:30] | tjcarter: | thing like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163055 |
| [10:46:30] | hads: | Why? |
| [10:46:34] | tjcarter: | why? |
| [10:46:37] | directhex|bsp: | they're immaculately constructed, but poorly engineered. i had to sling my last one in a skip |
| [10:46:41] | Dagmar: | I would like it if they would explain whether or not the little displays with those actually had Linux drivers |
| [10:46:48] | Dagmar: | ...or if they'd even say WTF they are |
| [10:47:04] | hads: | The silverstone cases I've used have worked well. |
| [10:47:20] | tjcarter: | that case is basically a component-looking desktop case |
| [10:47:25] | tjcarter: | it's not really HTPC at all |
| [10:47:33] | Dagmar: | www.directron.com has a bunch |
| [10:47:36] | directhex|bsp: | i had an lc11. beautiful, beautiful case – but no good for actual use |
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| [10:47:46] | directhex|bsp: | tjcarter, oh, it's htpc in the windows sense |
| [10:48:02] | directhex|bsp: | tjcarter, a windows htpc case is full atx, and expensive, because windows media center isn't distributed |
| [10:48:04] | tjcarter: | directhex: yeah, and $130 for a quality case isn't bad |
| [10:48:23] | tjcarter: | this box isn't distributed either. |
| [10:48:53] | directhex|bsp: | no, but it *could* be. and since you're using hdhomerun, you don't technically *need* a big case |
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| [10:48:59] | justinh: | one of my 'one day' projects is to get custom cases made & sell em |
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| [10:49:37] | tjcarter: | directhex: yeah but a tiny case costs major cash |
| [10:49:39] | justinh: | the chassis prototype would cost about £60 plus tooling |
| [10:49:59] | Dibblah: | Ick. That's just _nasty_ – http://www.linux-projects.org/modules/mydownl . . . at.php?cid=7 |
| [10:50:48] | justinh: | rofl |
| [10:50:56] | tjcarter: | Dibblah: there are no bug-free programs |
| [10:51:41] | directhex|bsp: | Dibblah, paid webcam drivers? |
| [10:51:47] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [10:51:52] | Dibblah: | Indeed. |
| [10:51:54] | directhex|bsp: | Dibblah, i suppose the turboprint canon drivers set a precedent :/ |
| [10:51:57] | directhex|bsp: | Dibblah, whoopsie |
| [10:52:09] | tjcarter: | ew |
| [10:52:11] | Dagmar: | I've a simpler route. |
| [10:52:15] | tjcarter: | I didn't notice the one under it |
| [10:52:16] | Dagmar: | I'd buy a different cam. |
| [10:52:17] | tjcarter: | with the paid driver |
| [10:52:20] | tjcarter: | that's icky |
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| [10:52:43] | Dibblah: | Indeed. But then the real villain of the piece has your money. |
| [10:52:54] | Dibblah: | (Sonix "doesn't do datasheets" |
| [10:53:48] | directhex|bsp: | "Lots of companies have downloaded these open source drivers and use them internally, but none ever gave any feedbacks. If you think there are possible GPL violations somewhere, let me know." |
| [10:53:51] | tjcarter: | They don't have my money ;) |
| [10:53:53] | justinh: | here's an idea. get a driver sorted, then instead of posting it up on some back water of the internets, shove it in the general direction of linuxtv.org... |
| [10:54:15] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, they wouldn't like binary-ony paid drivers at linuxtv |
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| [10:54:22] | Dibblah: | And then how does he get his big wadge of cash? |
| [10:54:52] | Dibblah: | $400/month for _a webcam driver_. |
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| [10:55:02] | Dibblah: | That's income. Not one-off payment. |
| [10:55:02] | tjcarter: | $400/month!?! |
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| [10:55:14] | Dibblah: | Look at the "donations" to the side... |
| [10:55:15] | tjcarter: | you have got to be kidding |
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| [10:55:55] | justinh: | look my sucky sucky webcam driver. you pay me dollar long time |
| [10:56:13] | tjcarter: | haha justinh |
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| [10:57:00] | directhex|bsp: | http://www.linux-projects.org/modules/smartfaq/faq.php?faqid=5 |
| [10:57:04] | directhex|bsp: | nice |
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| [10:57:55] | justinh: | pay for the driver & don't complain if it won't work with an app that isn't theirs. mmmmyerssss |
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| [10:59:14] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, you also get 0 support, and 0 updates or bugfixes |
| [10:59:38] | directhex|bsp: | here's the thing: they are not selling the driver – they are offering it as a gift in exchange for a donation |
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| [10:59:47] | directhex|bsp: | this is, in fact, how prostitutes operate in the US |
| [10:59:51] | justinh: | wicked. where do I send the direct debit mandate? |
| [11:00:11] | directhex|bsp: | you don't pay yer whore, you give her a gift and see what happens |
| [11:00:56] | justinh: | nothing like the law here where it isn't technically illegal to pay for it, just to go looking |
| [11:01:42] | directhex|bsp: | yep |
| [11:02:02] | directhex|bsp: | so close your eyes, and walk into soho with your flies unzipped. whatever happens, it's legal! |
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| [11:10:03] | Dagmar: | directhex: You have a lot of experience with prostitutes, do you? |
| [11:10:25] | pigeon: | anyone has used a ps3 with the mythtv server? |
| [11:10:39] | directhex|bsp: | pigeon, aye |
| [11:10:45] | Dagmar: | (you know I couldn't just let that _lie_ there) |
| [11:10:52] | directhex|bsp: | Dagmar, of course |
| [11:12:06] | pigeon: | directhex|bsp: my ps3 sees the mythtv backend, but it can't play any of the videos i have, i imagine it doesn't understand nuv+xvid+mp3, but not even those mpeg2 either. would you have any idea? |
| [11:12:09] | mzb_d800: | I'm not liking those cam drivers either, but I hope that in the fullness of time these things will be sorted |
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| [11:12:59] | Dagmar: | In the meantime, pay him in cash. |
| [11:12:59] | justinh: | no shame in that Dagmar. one of my flatmates was a regular at a brothel in Oldham. spent any money he didn't use up at the pub on prozzies. still wouldn't say it made him any happier |
| [11:13:00] | Dagmar: | Cash you kept warm all day by stuffing it into your underpants. |
| [11:13:11] | Dagmar: | ...while you ate tofu. |
| [11:13:32] | Dagmar: | justinh: No shame here. Jealousy. |
| [11:13:43] | tjcarter: | it's still pretty much the case that ATI + X = teh suck yes? |
| [11:13:51] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: yes |
| [11:13:53] | justinh: | tjcarter: aye |
| [11:14:03] | Dagmar: | justinh: Hell, I'd just like to _meet_ a decent one |
| [11:14:09] | justinh: | well no actually. it's not 'pretty much'. it's 'very much' |
| [11:14:14] | tjcarter: | I didn't expect open drivers, I just hoped AMD would cause non-pathetic drivers ;) |
| [11:14:17] | tjcarter: | ohwell |
| [11:14:29] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: No, ATI's legal people are asshats. |
| [11:14:44] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: hence binary drivers |
| [11:14:48] | Dagmar: | They had a press release that basically promised that they might, in about a year, release the specs needed for OTHER people to write better drivers. |
| [11:15:06] | directhex|bsp: | pigeon, it will not play anything from a framegrabber |
| [11:15:07] | Dagmar: | ...like thta's any great leap forward. |
| [11:15:07] | justinh: | nvidia are hardly spotless but they neatly throw ATI into an upturned hat on the pavement |
| [11:15:17] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: but the ATI drivers underperform like GeForce 4 or something ;) |
| [11:15:23] | tjcarter: | That's Just Sad. |
| [11:15:26] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [11:15:33] | tjcarter: | (it might not be quite that bad, but pretty damned close) |
| [11:15:45] | pigeon: | directhex|bsp: what does it actually play? |
| [11:15:52] | directhex|bsp: | pigeon, my ps3 plays *most* (not all) my recordings from my dvb-t card |
| [11:16:01] | directhex|bsp: | pigeon, which are mpeg-ts/mpeg2/mp2 |
| [11:16:02] | Dagmar: | Damn I'm going to have to look at what Ubuntu are doing to build avifile I think |
| [11:16:05] | justinh: | tjcarter: they have indeed fed the communitae at large a couple of crumbs which might help get working drivers for cards made 10 years ago. or something |
| [11:16:12] | pigeon: | mine is a dvb-t card too |
| [11:16:40] | pigeon: | ps3 sees them as mpeg2 file, but no thumbnail, when i try to play them, it says data corrupted. |
| [11:17:01] | quicksilver: | directhex|bsp: did you try running mythtranscode over them? |
| [11:17:03] | Dagmar: | Transcode them to WMA10 |
| [11:17:05] | Dagmar: | ;) |
| [11:17:06] | quicksilver: | directhex|bsp: or ffmpeg with the right options |
| [11:17:08] | directhex|bsp: | must be something it doesn't like in the stream. to hide from teh haxx0rs, the thing is very very conservative in what it plays |
| [11:17:10] | justinh: | pigeon: oh yeah it won't play anything with AC3 audio either |
| [11:17:10] | tjcarter: | justinh: whatever =) Looks like best bang/buck is possibly still nforce4 |
| [11:17:13] | quicksilver: | directhex|bsp: that 'cleans up' mpeg-ts files. |
| [11:17:16] | tjcarter: | like 2 years later |
| [11:17:35] | pigeon: | justinh: ah, that would be one of the reasons i imagine |
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| [11:17:51] | pigeon: | does it matter if it's ts or ps? |
| [11:17:57] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, it'll play, just silently |
| [11:18:03] | justinh: | ah |
| [11:18:30] | justinh: | well I dunno what anybody expects. it's a firkin game console after all |
| [11:18:33] | tjcarter: | so yes, it matters ;) |
| [11:19:19] | tjcarter: | PS3 should handle AC3 audio. Presently doesn't apparently. |
| [11:20:45] | directhex|bsp: | it can, it just won't from mpeg2-ts |
| [11:22:47] | quicksilver: | it appears in whathifis list of 'best buy' BD-ROMD players |
| [11:22:57] | quicksilver: | so evidently it sells on more than just being a gamnes console. |
| [11:23:09] | quicksilver: | same trick worked pretty well for sony with the PS2s and DVDs. |
| [11:23:16] | quicksilver: | first DVD-capable device in my house was a PS2. |
| [11:25:31] | pigeon: | and now the first BD device for me is the ps3 |
| [11:25:39] | directhex|bsp: | quicksilver, the most popular software title sold with the ps2 on launch day in japan was the dvd of the matrix |
| [11:26:28] | quicksilver: | interesting use of the word 'software'. |
| [11:26:31] | quicksilver: | but point taken. |
| [11:26:34] | quicksilver: | I think it's very important. |
| [11:26:42] | quicksilver: | I always thought the PS3 was going to win, longterm. |
| [11:26:46] | quicksilver: | And that bluray was gong to win :) |
| [11:26:49] | directhex|bsp: | "win"? |
| [11:27:04] | quicksilver: | become the most profitable of the three console franchises. |
| [11:27:11] | Dagmar: | hahha |
| [11:27:32] | directhex|bsp: | seen the sales figures? |
| [11:27:37] | quicksilver: | yup. |
| [11:27:39] | directhex|bsp: | nintendo are large and in charge |
| [11:27:44] | quicksilver: | long term, the PS3 will still win. |
| [11:28:00] | quicksilver: | consoles are a 10-year game. |
| [11:28:08] | quicksilver: | 2 years from now, PS3 sales overtake wii sales. |
| [11:28:21] | quicksilver: | 5 years from now, sony are making much much more than nintendo could dream of. |
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| [11:28:54] | directhex|bsp: | quicksilver, 6 year, typically. and to "win", it needs to have a rate of growth higher than the competition, which it doesn't |
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| [11:29:18] | directhex|bsp: | it's a silly argument anyway – consoles are just bricks that enable access to games, the bigger question is what games are worth playing |
| [11:29:28] | quicksilver: | :) |
| [11:29:34] | quicksilver: | right, it's a silly argument as consumers. |
| [11:29:39] | quicksilver: | we should just buy what we want to buy. |
| [11:29:46] | quicksilver: | but it's a very serious argument for sony and nintendo. |
| [11:30:11] | quicksilver: | it's not *entirely* irrelevant to consumers, since higher sales figures will attract more developers. |
| [11:30:13] | directhex|bsp: | nintendo have 120 years in the entertainment biz, they're always in control even when consumer perception is they're not on top |
| [11:31:12] | directhex|bsp: | see also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoTZLcszgIA |
| [11:31:56] | pigeon: | hm, did mythtv use to have its own "monitor aspect ratio" setting? |
| [11:33:38] | quicksilver: | directhex|bsp: any idea if those figures are based on 'number sold' or 'turnover' or 'profit' ? |
| [11:34:21] | directhex|bsp: | quicksilver, units shipped per annum AFAIK |
| [11:34:39] | directhex|bsp: | nintendo make a decent profit on all hardware frmo day 1, compared to sony's loss-leading, so that'd be even more telling |
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| [11:36:51] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
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| [11:37:01] | quicksilver: | well I don't deny the success of the DS but I think maybe it muddies this argument. |
| [11:37:04] | quicksilver: | That's a different market. |
| [11:37:20] | quicksilver: | I still believe the PS3 will have overtaken the wii in 2 years. |
| [11:37:31] | directhex|bsp: | that's the thing – the market has changed |
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| [11:37:52] | directhex|bsp: | 2 christmasses in a row, a £180 games console is the hot toy? that's completely unprecedented |
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| [11:38:01] | directhex|bsp: | it's created new markets |
| [11:38:14] | directhex|bsp: | as has the ds – brain training et al have carved out huge swathes of new punters |
| [11:38:18] | pigeon: | my ps3 just doesn't like anything from my mythtv... :\ |
| [11:38:47] | directhex|bsp: | pigeon, it's hit & miss. transcoding might help, but is a pain |
| [11:39:07] | quicksilver: | I see more PSPs on my train every morning than DSes, though. Not that that proves much. |
| [11:39:19] | quicksilver: | and the (young, wealthy) guys I work with are all buying ps3s |
| [11:39:43] | directhex|bsp: | i have all three current-gen systems |
| [11:39:52] | directhex|bsp: | and both handhelds. and lots of history |
| [11:40:24] | directhex|bsp: | i feel the 360 is the best purchase right now, given the comparative size of the game library, and that's going to take a long time to shift |
| [11:41:09] | quicksilver: | well, my thesis is that a lot of people over the next 5 years will buy PS3s because of the bluray |
| [11:41:13] | quicksilver: | to go with their new HDTV |
| [11:41:26] | quicksilver: | so they mentally 'subtract' the costs of a bluray player from the cost of the ps3 |
| [11:41:51] | directhex|bsp: | perhaps |
| [11:42:12] | quicksilver: | and the game library will improve. I think sony have enough critical mass for it not to 'fizzle out' |
| [11:42:27] | directhex|bsp: | it will improve eventually, undoubtedly |
| [11:42:48] | quicksilver: | well the alternative is for the console to nosedive, like the gamecube did. |
| [11:43:04] | directhex|bsp: | the gamecube remained profitable for nintendo, if not for their third party devs |
| [11:43:12] | directhex|bsp: | the dreamcast, that's a different story |
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| [11:46:33] | justinh: | on the list of 'must have' domain names I wonder where the above figures :P |
| [11:50:18] | directhex|bsp: | whoa! |
| [11:50:25] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, 64-bit via cpus announced! |
| [11:50:45] | pigeon: | directhex|bsp: transcode to what format? |
| [11:51:15] | directhex|bsp: | pigeon, h264/aac is a good bet |
| [11:51:45] | pigeon: | hmm but mythtv doesn't do that codec i though? |
| [11:55:08] | directhex|bsp: | why woukdn't it? |
| [11:56:20] | pigeon: | in the transcode settings, there's only mpeg-4 and rtjpeg |
| [11:57:46] | pigeon: | heh, reading the ps3 online manual, apparently it says it can play mpeg2 ts, ps, aac, ac3 |
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| [12:00:37] | directhex|bsp: | but not all at once |
| [12:01:13] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: they suck twice as wide now |
| [12:02:16] | directhex|bsp: | 2ghz! |
| [12:03:03] | justinh: | wow so now they'll have enough grunt to play standard def television without hardware acceleration. yay :-\ |
| [12:04:51] | justinh: | sorry, but no. been burned once. lesson learned. they can go to hell |
| [12:13:27] | justinh: | and in some shock news the MPAA have revealed there was an error in the made up numbers used as their basis for lobbying congress to pass piracy laws. I'm appalled |
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| [12:20:58] | directhex|bsp: | they admit it? :o |
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| [12:46:44] | mzb_d800: | yeah, I like VIA's chipsets (in comparison to others'), but can't say I'm interested in the CPU's (yet) |
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| [12:47:41] | mzb_d800: | although my opinion (as always) is dated, and taken from the lower end of (any) the scale |
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| [13:15:57] | tjcarter: | I am to understand that listings sources are trivial in .us (and .ca?), reasonable in probably .uk, and pretty much a royal bitch anywhere else? |
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| [13:20:23] | mzb_d800: | tjcarter: I think it's a combination of local laws, effort, and how much money you're prepared to part with on a regular basis. (In order of importance) |
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| [13:29:17] | justinh: | mzb_d800: don't forget how willing people are to help too :) |
| [13:29:49] | justinh: | basically, US, CA & UK don't need to screen scrape. everybody else does unless they're lucky enough to get EIT EPG data |
| [13:32:08] | mzb_d800: | :) |
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| [13:52:35] | tjcarter: | mzb_d800: well .us is easy, we have SD or something direct through zap2it.. |
| [13:52:47] | tjcarter: | mzb_d800: I don't know if .ca can use SD. |
| [13:53:33] | tjcarter: | mzb_d800: .uk can't be too difficult because your island-wide choices are fairly limited. |
| [13:53:53] | tjcarter: | Not like .us where you cross the street and suddenly there's a whole new lineup to sort out. |
| [13:55:39] | tjcarter: | Seems like elsewhere it's pretty much you're on your own as far as where you get your listings from and in what format |
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| [14:01:03] | GreyFoxx: | SD covers canada too |
| [14:03:16] | tjcarter: | Okay, but generally outside of .us and .ca, with possible exceptions, you're pretty well screwed for a consistently accurate listings source like SD ;) |
| [14:03:44] | tjcarter: | fsvo "consistent" and "accurate" defined as "Tribune says it is so" |
| [14:04:27] | GreyFoxx: | the radiotimes in the UK is supposedly pretty solid, and I'm not sure about the community driven Australian one, but other than that it's nothing but screenscraping and EIT |
| [14:04:49] | quicksilver: | RT UK is solid except when it broke for 10 days around new year |
| [14:04:59] | quicksilver: | but as free services go, I'm not complaining. |
| [14:05:31] | tjcarter: | okay, that more or less tells me what I need to know. |
| [14:05:56] | tjcarter: | EIT actually happens outside the US? |
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| [14:06:03] | tjcarter: | (I find it rarely does inside) |
| [14:06:09] | GreyFoxx: | tjcarter: It's primarily outside the US :) |
| [14:06:19] | tjcarter: | yeah, that's what I figured. |
| [14:06:42] | quicksilver: | UK DVB-T has 7-day EIT. |
| [14:06:52] | tjcarter: | But limited to like 7 day..yeah =) |
| [14:06:54] | quicksilver: | it's what ordinary STBs depend upon. |
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| [14:07:15] | GreyFoxx: | Dishnet/bev have 9–14 day EIT, but there is the whole encrypted signal issue |
| [14:07:17] | quicksilver: | UK cable + satellite services mostly have something similar. |
| [14:07:21] | Floppe: | FI DVB-C likewise |
| [14:07:23] | quicksilver: | although I don't know how it works in practice. |
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| [14:07:27] | tjcarter: | quicksilver: in the US, STBs generally get something proprietary from cableco |
| [14:07:30] | GreyFoxx: | and cableproviders rarely seem to have any EIT data over the wire |
| [14:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | or are least it's not in a clear standard EIT form |
| [14:09:11] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: I'm still having major troubles coming up with a compelling reason not to set up the appropriate hacked DVB-S stuff used for stealing Dish so that I can cheaply and easily get content into Myth without going through someone else's stupid box. |
| [14:09:16] | quicksilver: | since the cable/satellite companies are generally in control of both the signal and the STB. |
| [14:09:25] | quicksilver: | they have considerable choice about how to move the data around |
| [14:09:32] | quicksilver: | and no real incentive to stick to 'standards' |
| [14:10:20] | GreyFoxx: | tjcarter: Your laws, your risk, your decision :) |
| [14:10:23] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: but I have no qualms violating DMCA stuff related to DRM, and just because other people use the setup to steal Dish service doesn't mean I have to. |
| [14:10:46] | GreyFoxx: | I have no moral problem with people who pay for a subscription decrypting channels they pay for |
| [14:10:59] | tjcarter: | exactly |
| [14:11:05] | GreyFoxx: | but I have a problem with people access content they do not pay for. Be it specific channels or the service in general |
| [14:11:12] | GreyFoxx: | but that doesn't mean shit to the law :) |
| [14:11:29] | tjcarter: | If they'd give me a cablecard-using capture card with Linux drivers, I'd probably use that and keep my signal coming from the cableco |
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| [14:11:35] | tjcarter: | but they don't/won't. |
| [14:11:40] | tjcarter: | so screw em ;) |
| [14:11:57] | GreyFoxx: | someone was on the -dev list a few days ago saying there was a combo of dvbcard/ci/cam that would allow you to access dish/bev and do the decryption |
| [14:12:04] | GreyFoxx: | avoiding the questionability of softcams |
| [14:12:09] | PF4[offline] is now known as PF4 | |
| [14:12:12] | GreyFoxx: | but when I pressed him for details he went silent |
| [14:13:19] | GreyFoxx: | If there was such a combo, I and I'm sure many others would buy them today |
| [14:13:26] | tjcarter: | I don't question it. If I paid for the subscription to the lineup in question, I have every right to use it. =) |
| [14:14:16] | tjcarter: | Of course, once I had the set of equipment necessary, it might equal or surpass the cost of a pair of the Hauppauge things that are expected RSN |
| [14:14:28] | tjcarter: | those will get me HD content effectively enough |
| [14:15:13] | GreyFoxx: | If you are using dishnet I don't think they send their HDTV via the standard transmission type |
| [14:15:32] | GreyFoxx: | I've hard people say they needed special tuners for that |
| [14:15:37] | GreyFoxx: | but I could be wrong |
| [14:16:01] | tjcarter: | it's possible the way to go is to reverse engineer cablecard ;) |
| [14:16:23] | tjcarter: | problem is, nobody outside the US cares |
| [14:16:29] | tjcarter: | nobody inside the US would dare. |
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| [14:18:14] | tjcarter: | Attempting that inside the US would have your door beaten in by swat teams and movie and broadcasting execs with whole battalions of lawers within 12 hours. |
| [14:18:38] | tjcarter: | okay, I can't tpye aynmore, it's bedtime. |
| [14:21:01] | NefariousAryq: | Hey guys and gals have a quick question... I disabled some channels from my listing source at SchedulesDirect.org, but those channels are still showing up in my Listings, on my MythTV. Whats the proper process to get all of those channels removed? Thanks. |
| [14:21:36] | tjcarter: | NefariousAryq: remove them in channel editor |
| [14:21:54] | tjcarter: | must be done both places |
| [14:22:46] | NefariousAryq: | Bugger. I removed a ton of channels. Can I just wipe the channels DB and start over, perchance? |
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| [14:27:14] | code-r: | Hi, how do you enable XvMC for nvidia cardes (binary) in xorg |
| [14:27:28] | code-r: | trying mplayer i get |
| [14:27:28] | code-r: | Sorry, Xv(MC) not supported by this X11 version/driver |
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| [15:07:33] | Puhi: | is 0.21 still coming up around march? |
| [15:08:04] | minri: | you did not specify year :) |
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| [15:15:41] | justinh: | Puhi: it'll be ready when it's ready and not before. whining won't make it come any faster |
| [15:16:11] | Puhi: | just curious if any showstoppers might be in sight |
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| [15:17:20] | justinh: | over 140 open tickets still, that's pretty much a show stopper. er.. 140 of them to be exact |
| [15:18:07] | justinh: | if you're that keen to run the latest code just build trunk yourself. it isn't rocket science |
| [15:18:52] | Puhi: | i am |
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| [15:19:19] | GreyFoxx: | the date isn't written in stone |
| [15:19:23] | GreyFoxx: | It's just "soon" |
| [15:19:27] | Puhi: | as usual |
| [15:19:30] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [15:19:34] | siXy: | Puhi: I hear 0.21 feature-freeze is near. which means its not a million miles off |
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| [15:19:49] | GreyFoxx: | yes, feature freeze is very close, followed by a month of just bug fixes |
| [15:20:29] | justinh: | never know what all the fuss is about myself |
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| [15:21:47] | Dibblah: | I see 149. :( |
| [15:22:26] | justinh: | a certain amount of them can be assigned to the next milestone though |
| [15:22:31] | justinh: | that'll cut some down |
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| [15:33:16] | DustyBin: | 15:19 <+GreyFoxx> yes, feature freeze is very close, followed by a month of just bug fixes maybe they should make a 3 months of bug fixes to be on the safe side? |
| [15:33:50] | ** DustyBin stamps on those bugs ** | |
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| [15:35:06] | DustyBin: | google summer of mythtv code :P |
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| [15:48:04] | GreyFoxx: | DustyBin: Not likely |
| [15:48:10] | GreyFoxx: | Trunk is very stable as is |
| [15:48:20] | GreyFoxx: | and if it's too long it will never out the door |
| [15:48:30] | GreyFoxx: | devs are not gonna hold off on new features that long :) |
| [15:50:18] | ** DustyBin awaits for mythtv_fixes_0.21.2 before install :D ** | |
| [15:50:38] | GreyFoxx: | Or better, run svn trunk and report issues now :) |
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| [15:55:42] | GreyFoxx: | he |
| [15:55:44] | GreyFoxx: | h |
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| [16:33:18] | justinh: | maybe some help fixing mythappearance wouldn't go amiss. right now I'm pretty stumped as to how to stop segfaults happening on the theme reload. hope it's a simple fix but it's escaped me so far |
| [16:33:43] | justinh: | no ticket for that of course |
| [16:35:09] | justinh: | anyway guys before users stand a chance of even being able to run 0.21 I think multirec needs to be documented. not that I expect anybody will step up. for that or any of the other needed changes |
| [16:35:31] | justinh: | everybody is capable of helping instead of just asking :) |
| [16:36:06] | justinh: | </blasphemy> |
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| [16:37:48] | Merlin83b: | If I was running up to date stuff I'd be on board with doing some doc stuff. |
| [16:37:50] | Merlin83b: | Hi justinh :) |
| [16:38:00] | justinh: | hiya |
| [16:38:08] | justinh: | if I had a spare dvb tuner so would I |
| [16:38:16] | Merlin83b: | New TV should arrive on Monday, then sort on new myth box, then get myth up to date, then maybe do docs :) |
| [16:38:29] | justinh: | might visit Maplin this weekend & get a £20 pci card |
| [16:38:32] | Merlin83b: | At this point, I don't know what the oft-discussed multirec actually is! |
| [16:39:31] | justinh: | er.. recording more than one channel from the same multiplex with just one tuner card |
| [16:40:05] | justinh: | alongside the new playback profile stuff it's the biggest thing to happen to mythtv in a while |
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| [16:45:44] | Merlin83b: | That's what I thought it was :) Why does that need documenting? It's good (great!) but why does the average dumb end user care apart from they'll get less conflicts? |
| [16:45:53] | Merlin83b: | Not sure on playback profiles. |
| [16:45:56] | ** Merlin83b is out of touch ** | |
| [16:46:54] | Dagmar: | justinh: Now maybe someone can fix the code that causes it to be dimwitted about the fact that you have a tuner free when you're watching something and something else needs to be recorded. |
| [16:47:11] | Dagmar: | It might have been a fluke due to my JUST having gotten the thing up or something, but I had it hassle me aboue that yesterday. |
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| [16:47:46] | Dagmar: | PVR-500, definitely knows about both tuners, box has been told a max of 2 jobs, it has no problem scheduling simultaneous recordings, but it decided that it was going to use Tuner 1 to record something yesterday whether I liked it or not. |
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| [17:15:59] | justinh: | easy solution is never to use livetv of course. I'll always opt for that solution |
| [17:17:50] | justinh: | Dagmar: anyway I think a fundemental change to the scheduler would be needed for that. the encoder to be used for a recording is always known well in advance for obvious reasons |
| [17:17:54] | ** Kazan looks around for janneg ** | |
| [17:18:09] | quicksilver: | Dagmar: there is a hack which makes it better, or not. |
| [17:18:24] | quicksilver: | Dagmar: but it's a fundamental design issue, as justinh observes. |
| [17:18:26] | justinh: | get DVB, use multirec & record everything (tm) |
| [17:18:34] | quicksilver: | Dagmar: the hack is to start from the other end of the avialble tuners |
| [17:18:40] | quicksilver: | for livetv versus recording |
| [17:18:49] | quicksilver: | which reduces the dchance of conflict in many common cases. |
| [17:18:51] | quicksilver: | but not all :) |
| [17:18:51] | justinh: | there's sod all worth watching on paytv if you don't like endless repeats of 80s TV or sport |
| [17:19:05] | Dagmar: | quicksilver: That's basically ignoring the problem, not really a hack. |
| [17:19:06] | Dagmar: | :/ |
| [17:19:21] | quicksilver: | well it's a hack, in that it's ugly but it does solve the symptom. |
| [17:19:22] | quicksilver: | sometimes. |
| [17:19:40] | quicksilver: | the real solution is for livetv to notice upcoming conflicts and silently move you to a different tuner. |
| [17:19:54] | quicksilver: | but obviously that's not a trivial thing to code. |
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| [17:19:59] | justinh: | mmmm more mysql |
| [17:20:08] | justinh: | have you seen the scheduler query? |
| [17:20:12] | Dagmar: | Frankly, I think it should just figure out which tuner to use when it's time to record. |
| [17:20:25] | quicksilver: | that's the other choice |
| [17:20:27] | justinh: | Dagmar: thinking != doing. |
| [17:20:45] | Dagmar: | ...or at least (and this _would_ be a hack) take a moment to check to see if there's another tuner with the same content available if the one it's scheduled for is occupied. |
| [17:20:46] | justinh: | a way to change the status quo is er.. to change it |
| [17:20:52] | Dagmar: | So write it in perl then |
| [17:21:43] | Dagmar: | Something a bit more readable by people who aren't super-versed in C++ |
| [17:23:18] | justinh: | somebody did write a myth equivalent in perl. it was 38 lines or something. uber programming by some kind of genius or something |
| [17:24:26] | justinh: | sod it – from now on I'm not even going to argue the toss with "muh muh muh mythtv _should_ " stuff. it's not worth wasting time over because nothing will ever come of it |
| [17:24:56] | Dagmar: | Hey now I'm not making an argument for the general case |
| [17:25:09] | Dagmar: | I'm just saying that if it were in Perl, I could eliminate whole monstrous PILES of issues |
| [17:25:14] | Dagmar: | ...cuz perl I know _well_ |
| [17:25:30] | Dagmar: | C++, well, let's just say you wouldn't want my coding in that running your pacemaker. |
| [17:25:47] | justinh: | nor mine but nothing stops me trying |
| [17:26:13] | Dagmar: | Mainly it would help if the "but this IS self-documenting code" mindset would disappear |
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| [17:26:37] | justinh: | Dagmar: what I've played with has hardly been rocket science. can't be that bad if I can follow it |
| [17:26:44] | Dagmar: | 'cuz that's the stuff I had thrown at me the last time I was fussing that it takes ages for someone not super-well-versed in C to even find the bit of code that's responsible for what they're looking for. |
| [17:26:56] | justinh: | the complex parts though – they're something else altogether |
| [17:27:40] | justinh: | annoyingly I think the things that niggle me the most are in the most complex code |
| [17:28:24] | Dagmar: | I don't care if parts of it are complex, but if each sub were tidied up to fit on say, a 60 line xterm, and had a short 2–3 sentence description in plain English as to WTF it's actually _intended_ to do, things would be tons easier for everyone. |
| [17:28:30] | Merlin83b: | Presumably why nobody else has fixed them either :) |
| [17:28:31] | justinh: | maybe if/when the database stuff is abstracted it'll become much easier to play with the scheduling code |
| [17:28:52] | justinh: | Merlin83b: nah. there's tons of simpler stuff to fix. users are lazy |
| [17:29:01] | Dagmar: | Complex code I will go look up every function for in a manual if I have to... provided I know I'm actually looking at the _right_ piece of code. |
| [17:29:54] | justinh: | Merlin83b: it takes about 5 minutes to learn how to make a patch & submit it to trac. that's why so many people bother. |
| [17:30:10] | justinh: | a positive observation I have is that more & more people seem to at least be doing that these days :) |
| [17:30:11] | Merlin83b: | If even that, agreed. |
| [17:30:12] | Dagmar: | Hey I've done it |
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| [17:30:29] | tcpsyn: | Morning. |
| [17:30:37] | Dagmar: | Granted about three days later I changed what I was working on to no longer need what I was aiming to do, but the code worked. :) |
| [17:30:38] | Merlin83b: | So have I, but in the past few months I haven't even had time to update my (working) mythtv box, let alone hack on it! |
| [17:31:17] | tcpsyn: | I noticed with trunk.. that if I watch live tv, then stop... then go back to live tv, I get a good audio stream, but no video |
| [17:31:22] | tcpsyn: | Is that a known bug? |
| [17:31:27] | tcpsyn: | Or has anyone seen that before? |
| [17:31:36] | justinh: | tcpsyn: try looking it up at svn.mythtv.org |
| [17:31:59] | tcpsyn: | hrm, ok. |
| [17:32:13] | justinh: | and search the -dev list. |
| [17:32:21] | justinh: | but no I'm not aware of a current bug of that nature |
| [17:32:55] | justinh: | doesn't mean to say it's not a real problem. you might even be the 1st to report it |
| [17:33:07] | Kazan: | and THIS is why tou get carfax |
| [17:33:09] | justinh: | not that you have reported it yet. it's not reported til there's a ticket |
| [17:33:20] | tcpsyn: | right. |
| [17:33:24] | Kazan: | some asshole dealership selling a vehicle that was written off as total loss |
| [17:33:45] | Kazan: | and another dealership that is normally complete trash selling a vehicle that is good :D |
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| [17:34:03] | justinh: | always worth paying a fee to have a vehicle's history investigated before buying it. never absolute I know but it gives you backup |
| [17:34:51] | Kazan: | carfax is fairly reliable |
| [17:35:03] | Kazan: | it trolls the NCIB and state DMVs for most of it's data |
| [17:35:20] | justinh: | no use in the UK then :P |
| [17:35:41] | tcpsyn: | cool. |
| [17:35:45] | Kazan: | yeah carfax is for the states |
| [17:35:54] | Kazan: | dunno if it has coverage for anywhere in europe |
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| [18:05:32] | MoeGreen: | woot!! i found my config file on lirc.org |
| [18:05:44] | MoeGreen: | for an old remote i have |
| [18:06:57] | ** justinh faints. somebody looked on lirc.org for a remote config ** | |
| [18:07:44] | MoeGreen: | i was just browsing and found that section and pulled one out of the closet from an old dvd player :) |
| [18:09:11] | iamlindoro__: | Sure. Next thing you'll be telling me people are starting to Google their problems. |
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| [18:15:01] | Saviq: | anyone here running opensuse? |
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| [18:18:34] | FinnTux: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/311829 <- any solution to this? happened to me too |
| [18:19:50] | directhex: | suse is a curiously unpopular myth distro |
| [18:20:13] | directhex: | FinnTux, different hostname on both machines? |
| [18:20:26] | FinnTux: | yes |
| [18:20:49] | jams: | directhex- only reason i can come up with is because at one point they had a really screwed up installation of QT. |
| [18:21:07] | jams: | stuff wouldn't compile correctly. |
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| [18:21:26] | FinnTux: | master backend, slave backend/frontend and plain frontend all have different names |
| [18:22:14] | directhex: | and in the database, all cards have unique identifiers? |
| [18:22:23] | FinnTux: | yes |
| [18:22:40] | directhex: | jams, i'm not advocating suse, not at all, but it seems odd given its market penetration that nobody uses myth on it |
| [18:23:24] | jams: | yeah QT and their kernel has a large part todo with it. |
| [18:23:48] | jams: | heck i run suse on lots of servers, but not for myth. |
| [18:26:51] | directhex: | i run suse on lots of servers because that's what the vendors support |
| [18:27:03] | jams: | that to |
| [18:27:10] | directhex: | my 152-core box isn't much use to me if i can't get on the phone when it breaks because i stuck debian on it |
| [18:28:29] | jams: | SLES 8 , 9 or 10 ? |
| [18:28:36] | directhex: | sles10 on that box |
| [18:29:24] | jams: | trying to move to that, but waiting on one vendor to add support for it. the kenrel scheduler in sles 9 is screwed up |
| [18:33:04] | directhex: | Linux orac 2.6.16.54–0.2.3-default #1 SMP Thu Nov 22 18:32:07 UTC 2007 ia64 ia64 ia64 GNU/Linux |
| [18:33:39] | directhex: | the new clusters run... erk... opensuse. 10.1, no less :/ |
| [18:33:52] | directhex: | only 160-odd new 10.1 boxes to admin, nothing to worry about! |
| [18:33:54] | directhex: | 260 |
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| [18:48:56] | FinnTux: | is it ok to have paths to recordings defined the same on master and slave backends? |
| [18:49:07] | FinnTux: | paths only. both are using local disks |
| [18:51:16] | CCFL_Man2: | i found a qam modulator |
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| [18:52:44] | CCFL_Man2: | on ebay anyway |
| [18:53:35] | directhex: | yay? |
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| [18:59:59] | CCFL_Man2: | yay |
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| [19:10:07] | AndyCap: | CCFL_Man2: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2006/Fahrplan/t . . . 1646.en.html |
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| [19:13:49] | grndslm: | anyone feel like helping me? I can't seem to get myth to work anymore as it looks like there's some kinda hard drive issue with my /archive directory that is stored on a separate hard drive using LVM... here's all pertinent info: http://pastebin.ca/871140 |
| [19:14:20] | CCFL_Man2: | AndyCap: whats that? |
| [19:14:38] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm on eterm and can't copy and pase |
| [19:14:41] | CCFL_Man2: | paste |
| [19:14:51] | AndyCap: | CCFL_Man2: some guys doing a diy dvb-t transmitter. I think they have a video of the presentation up |
| [19:16:27] | CCFL_Man2: | AndyCap: i'm in the US, i don't use dvb-t |
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| [19:17:09] | AndyCap: | but what's the main differences between atsc and dvb-t? |
| [19:17:48] | CCFL_Man2: | there are some, the standards are incompatible with eachother |
| [19:18:12] | CCFL_Man2: | atsc is closer to digicipher II than dvb |
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| [19:20:51] | AndyCap: | CCFL_Man2: meh, never mind, seems they didn't release the fpga source anyway |
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| [19:31:06] | CCFL_Man2: | i have some commercial satellite receivers with dvb-asi output, and the only reasonable way to get that into mythtv is to modulated onto qam and use an atsc/qam card |
| [19:31:26] | CCFL_Man2: | thats the cheapest and easiest way to do it |
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| [19:34:19] | iamlindoro__: | You might also consider posting to the DVB dev list that you would pay X dollars bounty on full support for your ASI card |
| [19:34:30] | iamlindoro__: | Since there's obviously some interest on their part in getting it working |
| [19:34:42] | iamlindoro__: | you might even save a few bucks, and benefit Myth/Linux community |
| [19:36:03] | iamlindoro__: | And if the bounty = the cost of a few QAM modulators and all the ATSC cards, that may well be enough to get people motivated. I'm thinking a few thousand would probably do it. |
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| [19:42:29] | AndyCap: | CCFL_Man2: ah, you were the guy with your own Jodrell bank. :) |
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| [19:47:37] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro__: the dvb-asi cards from dektek cost $2000 for the single input version and $4000 for the quad input version |
| [19:47:50] | iamlindoro__: | So? What does that have to do with anything? |
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| [19:51:12] | opentrinity: | hi iamlindoro_ what the weather like in california? |
| [19:51:17] | opentrinity: | 's |
| [19:51:27] | iamlindoro__: | opentrinity, Cold and rainy. Better there I hope? |
| [19:51:43] | opentrinity: | only Cold |
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| [19:52:03] | iamlindoro__: | Ah well, better than nothing I suppose |
| [19:52:11] | opentrinity: | iamlindoro how is temperature? |
| [19:52:41] | opentrinity: | here r 3 – 4 °C |
| [19:52:43] | iamlindoro__: | It was 45 last I checked... I think that's about 7 C? |
| [19:53:58] | iamlindoro__: | A good day to be inside. |
| [19:54:58] | opentrinity: | ye |
| [19:55:20] | opentrinity: | .... a good evening for me ;-) |
| [19:55:34] | iamlindoro__: | And a good excuse to work on your myth box, of course. ;) |
| [19:55:39] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro__: it's cheaper if you use qam modulators |
| [19:55:57] | iamlindoro__: | CCFL_Man2, Won't yu be purchasing ASI cards? |
| [19:56:00] | iamlindoro__: | er you |
| [19:56:35] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro__: not for that price :P qam modulators and avermedia A180's are much cheaper :P |
| [19:56:52] | opentrinity: | lol, iamlindoro_ i think that my mythbox is ok....now i see tv even on my notebook with wifi connection with connection af master backend |
| [19:56:54] | iamlindoro__: | So how do you plan to receive your sat material now then? |
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| [19:57:13] | opentrinity: | ...and mythweb works very well |
| [19:57:24] | iamlindoro__: | opentrinity, Good! Glad it's working so well |
| [19:57:32] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro__: qam modulators and qam/atsc pci cards |
| [19:58:03] | iamlindoro__: | CCFL_Man2, dude, my blood pressure is raising here... How do you intend to receive SAT material, not ATSC |
| [19:58:18] | iamlindoro__: | I presume you still plan to modulate some signal, how do you plan to receive that signal? |
| [19:58:22] | opentrinity: | the only little probelm is with ATI card...i have to set x0.95 compression....so i see tv well...(instead of green images and multiplicated) |
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| [19:58:44] | opentrinity: | ...in my notebook |
| [19:59:05] | MoeGreen: | anybody have the patience right now to help me with some newb linux stuff i want to do :) |
| [19:59:13] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro__: oh, i never knew what you were asking, i'm using motorola digicipher II irds with dvb-asi output and a wintv nova-s pci for dvb in the clear stuff |
| [19:59:34] | MoeGreen: | dealing with lirc |
| [19:59:54] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, Only if you promise to read more carefully than CCFL_Man2 |
| [20:00:02] | CCFL_Man2: | lol |
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| [20:00:27] | MoeGreen: | i will..im sure its easy, i am just new to linux and dont know the commands |
| [20:00:37] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, go ahead |
| [20:00:48] | MoeGreen: | i went to http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/ and got the file for my remote that somebody already made. |
| [20:01:04] | MoeGreen: | Now i want to take that file and copy it to /etc/lircd.conf |
| [20:01:17] | MoeGreen: | overwrite the existing one |
| [20:01:21] | iamlindoro__: | ok |
| [20:01:31] | iamlindoro__: | don't know how? |
| [20:01:50] | iamlindoro__: | sudo cp whateverfile /etc/lircd.conf |
| [20:01:54] | MoeGreen: | ya really dont know where to start, because in theory after that i should be close to using my remote right? |
| [20:02:08] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, Close-*ish* but still a ways off |
| [20:02:13] | MoeGreen: | i already built the serial circuit but i think i told you that last night |
| [20:02:20] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, you mentioned |
| [20:02:27] | iamlindoro__: | You copy that command above? |
| [20:02:42] | MoeGreen: | ya |
| [20:02:55] | iamlindoro__: | replace whateverfile with whatever the file you downloaded is, of course |
| [20:03:01] | iamlindoro__: | and it will likely ask for your password |
| [20:03:07] | MoeGreen: | ok and i do this all in term right? |
| [20:03:12] | iamlindoro__: | yes |
| [20:03:50] | MoeGreen: | sorry i should tell you first the linux machine is in the other room, so i need to get the file i downloaded to that pc 1st. |
| [20:04:00] | iamlindoro__: | ok |
| [20:04:17] | iamlindoro__: | give me a link to the file you downloaded real quick for the next step |
| [20:04:30] | MoeGreen: | k 1 sec |
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| [20:04:48] | MoeGreen: | http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/toshiba/ |
| [20:05:00] | iamlindoro__: | Which? |
| [20:05:00] | MoeGreen: | and its the SE-R0127 |
| [20:05:13] | iamlindoro__: | ok |
| [20:05:23] | iamlindoro__: | Erm... no direction buttons on that remote? |
| [20:06:38] | iamlindoro__: | that's going to be a pain in myth |
| [20:06:40] | MoeGreen: | ya thats what i didnt like..but hey im lucky i got another JVC remote that has directions. |
| [20:06:40] | MoeGreen: | lets use that one if you think it will be easier |
| [20:06:40] | MoeGreen: | its a JVC RM-SXV008J |
| [20:06:42] | MoeGreen: | http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/jvc/ |
| [20:06:44] | MoeGreen: | which one? |
| [20:06:50] | MoeGreen: | will be a pain? |
| [20:07:03] | iamlindoro__: | I'd use one with directions, personally, because you plan to navigate menus in myth with it, right? |
| [20:07:20] | MoeGreen: | ya thats what i was thinking, ok scratch everything and we will use the JVC |
| [20:07:28] | iamlindoro__: | Tough to do that in a friendly way without directionals... I mean, it's doable, but who wants to remember that "play" is up? |
| [20:07:42] | iamlindoro__: | I think that's wiser |
| [20:07:42] | MoeGreen: | true |
| [20:07:55] | MoeGreen: | should i copy that JVC file to a floppy? |
| [20:08:02] | MoeGreen: | so we can move it to the linux machine? |
| [20:08:13] | iamlindoro__: | However you want to get it there... no internet on the linux box? |
| [20:08:18] | iamlindoro__: | that's a pain |
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| [20:09:17] | MoeGreen: | ya but im using knoppmyth and i dont see an internet browser in the x window, but mythv has a built in one, but certain keys on my keyboard do funny things like the "P" is the back button. |
| [20:09:25] | MoeGreen: | so its really hard to navigate |
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| [20:10:11] | iamlindoro__: | ok, well, I'm sure knoppmyth has some external web browser (might try "firefox" in a terminal) but whatever you like, just get the file on there and we'll go through trying this |
| [20:10:28] | MoeGreen: | let me try that |
| [20:12:25] | MoeGreen: | darn, that command doesnt work |
| [20:13:17] | MoeGreen: | hang on, ill try the mythv web browser again |
| [20:13:23] | iamlindoro__: | oh well, get it over there somehow, you can also go "wget http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/jvc/RM-SXV08J" |
| [20:13:33] | iamlindoro__: | that will download that exact file to whatever direcotry you are in |
| [20:13:49] | iamlindoro__: | probably simplest. |
| [20:15:35] | Seeker`: | why does "Mute" set the PCM volume to 0, rather than muting it? |
| [20:16:37] | sid3windr: | I think that's what happens with a lot of devices |
| [20:16:41] | sid3windr: | at least with my tv |
| [20:17:28] | Seeker`: | it seems that if the PCM volume is set to 0 in alsamixer, I can still hear sound faintly, but when it is muted, i dont |
| [20:18:48] | sid3windr: | hmh |
| [20:21:50] | Seeker`: | it also appears the the volume level is kept as an internal state in mythtv, so if you change the volume outside of mythtv, changing the volume level with [ or ] is out of sync with the real volume |
| [20:21:57] | tanner: | anyone know if you get regular cable.. if you can split one line for two even three outputs? |
| [20:22:37] | iamlindoro__: | Sure, just use a splitter... signal strength will be substantially reduced, though |
| [20:23:05] | tanner: | i was considering a signal amplifier to put before the splitter |
| [20:23:21] | ** jams just purchased a roomba ** | |
| [20:23:36] | ** jams must wait 16 hours for the first charge ** | |
| [20:23:36] | iamlindoro__: | May help, may not.. will just have to try |
| [20:23:50] | Seeker`: | singal amplifiers also amplify the noise |
| [20:24:17] | iamlindoro__: | jams, I've got one that runs three times a week while I'm at work... it's great! Has a hard time dealing with my dogs shedding, but that just requires frequent cleanouts |
| [20:24:32] | tanner: | i suppose there isn't a way to get around that.. unless they have a device to filter noise :-\ |
| [20:24:49] | jams: | i can't wait to try it out |
| [20:25:08] | tanner: | iamlindoro__: i think i am going to go with your suggestion of the HDHomeRun and also add one tv tuner to the server |
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| [20:25:19] | jams: | i just hope the carpet isn't to dark. I read reports that dark caperts can give it problems |
| [20:25:20] | iamlindoro__: | tanner, Cool. Should be fun. |
| [20:25:43] | tanner: | iamlindoro__: setting it up will be a joy.. lol |
| [20:25:47] | iamlindoro__: | jams, I had read that as well... I 8have* run it on my mahogany floors, and it didn't seem confused (*loud* on hardwood, though) |
| [20:26:22] | jams: | dark green carpet here, i will find out in 16+ hours =) |
| [20:26:26] | iamlindoro__: | tanner, MythTV is for the hobbyist, for sure... Myth is for the person who enjoys the tweaking.. if that's you, setting it up will be the msot fun part |
| [20:26:37] | ** tanner now just has to figure out the best way to encrypt a RAID ** | |
| [20:26:54] | MoeGreen: | ok wget worked |
| [20:26:58] | iamlindoro__: | tanner, what for? |
| [20:26:59] | MoeGreen: | its now on the linux pc |
| [20:27:13] | iamlindoro__: | ok MoeGreen, from the directory with the fiel you downloaded in it, do: |
| [20:27:18] | MoeGreen: | k |
| [20:27:34] | iamlindoro__: | sudo cat RM-SXV08J >> /etc/lircd.conf |
| [20:27:43] | tanner: | iamlindoro__: i would like to experiment with it. as well as i dont have anything better to do with my processing power and disk space.. haha |
| [20:27:59] | iamlindoro__: | tanner, That'll only add overhead to your playback |
| [20:28:14] | tanner: | i am aware |
| [20:28:16] | MoeGreen: | i need the >> in there? |
| [20:28:20] | iamlindoro__: | tanner, If you must encrypt something, encrypt the file system with your photos or music... but not videos |
| [20:28:25] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, just use that exact line |
| [20:28:32] | MoeGreen: | ok |
| [20:29:20] | tanner: | iamlindoro__: do you think the encryption/decreption will add such a slow down? |
| [20:29:54] | iamlindoro__: | tanner, I know that I wouldn't want to give up cycles on my video partition for no particular reason |
| [20:30:16] | MoeGreen: | ok looks like it worked |
| [20:30:18] | tanner: | iamlindoro__: understandable |
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| [20:30:47] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, now do cat /etc/lircd.conf, the last thing you should see on the screen is tail end of the config file you downloaded |
| [20:30:50] | maki_d: | hi all |
| [20:31:01] | iamlindoro__: | including "power 0x000000000000F702" |
| [20:31:03] | MoeGreen: | ok trying.. |
| [20:31:27] | tanner: | what would be the best/easiest setup for a remote controller? |
| [20:31:42] | maki_d: | Pinnacle cards work good with mythtv? |
| [20:31:46] | iamlindoro__: | tanner, if you get the HDHomeRun, it's also an IR Receiver, that will work well |
| [20:31:57] | iamlindoro__: | maki_d, Many do not, I would avoid Pinnacle |
| [20:32:06] | MoeGreen: | yes i see the tailend |
| [20:32:18] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, And the third-to-last line is the power button? |
| [20:32:18] | tanner: | iamlindoro__: i see.. so then i just need a remote? |
| [20:32:29] | iamlindoro__: | tanner, Yep, and to configure the software in linux |
| [20:32:54] | tanner: | any particular remotes recommended? |
| [20:33:28] | iamlindoro__: | tanner, You can use practically anything, I love the Microsoft MCE Remote, but that comes bundled with the IR receiver usually... I ahve a few extras but you live far away ;) |
| [20:33:42] | tanner: | ;-P |
| [20:34:04] | iamlindoro__: | lots of people seem to like the Harmony remotes if you like expensive remotes. But you can find and use *almost* anything with a good IR receiver |
| [20:34:26] | maki_d: | i have 20 digital channels + more to come on my cable tv & 60 analog, should i get digital or analog card? |
| [20:34:29] | MoeGreen: | no look at it again the last code is goback and power is 4 up from that. |
| [20:34:45] | tanner: | i wonder if i will have any problems hooking the HDHomeRun to my ethernet port via cross over |
| [20:34:45] | MoeGreen: | thats what i see on the linux machine, so it looks like it overwrote just fine |
| [20:34:56] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/jvc/RM-SXV08J |
| [20:34:58] | ** maki_d knows its a stupid stupid question ** | |
| [20:35:02] | iamlindoro__: | That's the remote you downloaded, yes? |
| [20:35:11] | MoeGreen: | no 008j is the one i have |
| [20:35:29] | iamlindoro__: | oh, ok, ahng on |
| [20:35:30] | iamlindoro__: | hand |
| [20:35:31] | MoeGreen: | and thats the one i did, i just thought you had a typo, so were ok |
| [20:35:31] | iamlindoro__: | hang |
| [20:35:32] | jams: | tanner- it will work, just be aware that it needs dhcp. |
| [20:35:33] | iamlindoro__: | dangit |
| [20:35:57] | MoeGreen: | ive been doing the 008j the whole time |
| [20:36:09] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, no problem |
| [20:36:15] | iamlindoro__: | I just need to adjust something I wrote up |
| [20:36:15] | tanner: | jams: it wont like a manually assigned ip information? |
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| [20:36:39] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, I don't know knoppix, but try this: sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart |
| [20:36:44] | iamlindoro__: | and tell me if that works |
| [20:36:48] | MoeGreen: | k |
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| [20:38:24] | MoeGreen: | ok it stopped the daemon and started the daemon, but it also said lirc is not configured and to read this file blah blah.. |
| [20:38:28] | jams: | tanner- i dont' think you can assign it a static ip |
| [20:38:45] | solexious: | Hello all, I was planning to use media center but now I'm loving the thought of using mythtv instead, But in prep of media center I ripped all our dvd's to folders, as they are from the dvd. Can MythVideo "mount" folders or should I convert then to iso's? |
| [20:38:52] | MoeGreen: | so far so good i think, just need to configure right? |
| [20:39:20] | solexious: | *to folders, as they are ON the dvd's |
| [20:40:09] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, well, What do you mean not configured to read this file blah blah?? |
| [20:40:16] | directhex: | you have a bunch of VIDEO_TS folders? |
| [20:40:49] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, let's try this-- ls -al /dev/lirc* |
| [20:41:01] | solexious: | Yes in the format of /DVD's/*DVDTITLE*/VIDEO_TS |
| [20:41:03] | jayemef: | hi all--having trouble setting up a universal remote with mythtv. i have a hauppauge 250 tuner, and am trying to use the radioshack universal remote 15–2200 |
| [20:41:04] | iamlindoro__: | and tell me what you have there... should have an lirc and an lirc0 or lirc/0 |
| [20:41:34] | jayemef: | all the guides ive seen say to configure it with VCR code 0081, and when i do so, the button blinks once (as opposed to twice for success) |
| [20:41:51] | jayemef: | and after doing so, no buttons respond |
| [20:42:12] | directhex: | you know, i'm not sure. i don't just dump dvd contents to disc, usually |
| [20:42:19] | clever: | solexious: mythvideo can probly play the vob files but you wont have the menus if you do it that way, and the show will be broken into 1gig chunks |
| [20:42:34] | MoeGreen: | ok it said exactly this: |
| [20:42:44] | GreyFoxx: | Actually mythvideo will treat a DVD file structure as a single movie |
| [20:42:50] | GreyFoxx: | and play it like a normal dvd |
| [20:42:51] | directhex: | clevar! |
| [20:42:55] | directhex: | just what he wants! |
| [20:42:56] | MoeGreen: | stopping lirc daemon: lircmd lircd. |
| [20:42:57] | GreyFoxx: | at least it will with the ones it rips via mythdvd |
| [20:43:05] | directhex: | enormous sexiness abound! |
| [20:43:07] | MoeGreen: | then a box of stars came up saying LIRC NOT CONFIGURED |
| [20:43:22] | MoeGreen: | and to read /usr/share/doc/lirc/html/configure.html |
| [20:43:23] | solexious: | Cool, Is there a clever way in linux to convert then back into iso's? *were ripped with windows* |
| [20:43:32] | MoeGreen: | then the last line said starting lirc daemon. |
| [20:43:48] | clever: | solexious: you can use one of the cd/dvd burning tools to output an iso |
| [20:43:53] | clever: | and just skip the burning stage |
| [20:44:11] | solexious: | Could you give me an example program name? :) |
| [20:44:38] | clever: | cdrecord/dvdrecord i think |
| [20:44:51] | solexious: | thank you :) |
| [20:44:51] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, type "mode2" and see if you get a blank, waiting line after that... also, still waiting on what the results of ls -al /dev/lirc* are |
| [20:44:55] | clever: | thats close |
| [20:45:06] | solexious: | Thank you all |
| [20:45:08] | clever: | solexious: mkisofs is another |
| [20:45:14] | solexious: | cool |
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| [20:47:11] | MoeGreen: | both mode2 and "ls -al /dev/lirc*" says no such file or diretory |
| [20:47:33] | clever: | if you have nothing at /dev/lirc* |
| [20:47:37] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, Sounds like you don't even have lirc set up |
| [20:47:38] | clever: | then the kernel module isnt loaded |
| [20:47:41] | clever: | and nothing will work |
| [20:47:51] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, What guide did you follow to install and set up lirc? |
| [20:48:17] | MoeGreen: | :) guess im an idiot, i havent |
| [20:48:38] | MoeGreen: | i couldnt find any material on exactly how to setup |
| [20:48:39] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, I posted a knoppmyth lirc howto last night, you never went and followed that? |
| [20:49:06] | MoeGreen: | i did but it has to be compiled right? |
| [20:49:30] | iamlindoro__: | Well, probably... you did what? Visit the page? Compiled lirc? |
| [20:49:35] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=LIRCHowTo |
| [20:50:18] | iamlindoro__: | there's even a section for homebrew serial receiver there... Until you have followed and succeded at that, we can't do anything for you. |
| [20:52:35] | MoeGreen: | ya towards the bottom it says no recompile if you have the latest version which is r5c27 which i have. |
| [20:52:44] | MoeGreen: | so should i start there and forget everything before that? |
| [20:53:05] | iamlindoro__: | probably... |
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| [20:53:27] | MoeGreen: | but what you and i did with the remote file, needed to be done, so i wont have to do that later right? |
| [20:53:33] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, keep in mind step three is already done |
| [20:53:42] | MoeGreen: | :) |
| [20:53:58] | MoeGreen: | k, im just going to do 1 and 2 and see what happens |
| [20:54:07] | iamlindoro__: | when you reboot you should have a /dev/lircd and /dev/lirc0 or /dev/lirc/0 |
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| [20:54:26] | Dagmar: | I know how to make that sane, by the way |
| [20:54:31] | MoeGreen: | do i use the cat command to edit those files in 1 and 2? |
| [20:54:36] | Dagmar: | There's a simple udev invocation to make it be /dev/lirc |
| [20:54:40] | iamlindoro__: | cat isn't an editor, use nano |
| [20:54:56] | MoeGreen: | ok |
| [20:56:17] | Daenyth|Work: | I have a quick question; I'm thinking of setting up a box to be a mythgame machine. It would never be used as a PVR, and maybe only occaisionally as a video player. How low can I get away with on specs? I have a pII with I believe 512mb of ram. I have a big enough HDD and I won't need a tuner card, since I'll just be going to a monitor |
| [20:56:55] | iamlindoro__: | Will probably work fine, but Myth isn't the best tool for an emu-only machine... way overkill |
| [20:57:20] | Daenyth|Work: | yeah, I was wondering about that too. I might just set up a customized fluxbox |
| [20:57:21] | justinh: | there are fr more lightweight xmame (etc) managers |
| [20:57:38] | Daenyth|Work: | justinh: I don't know of any managers, can you tell me some? |
| [20:57:43] | hads: | Don't think I've seen a PII with 512M RAM before. |
| [20:57:54] | Daenyth|Work: | I mean, I can always make aliases and such, but it would be nice to have a good interface for launching |
| [20:58:08] | Daenyth|Work: | hads: well I upgraded the ram of course :p |
| [20:58:21] | justinh: | google will know |
| [20:58:36] | Daenyth|Work: | fair enough |
| [20:59:17] | MoeGreen: | ok in nano i added the line of code, how do i save? |
| [20:59:30] | iamlindoro__: | Ctrl-x, andswer yes when ansked |
| [20:59:33] | iamlindoro__: | er answer |
| [20:59:46] | iamlindoro__: | menu is on the bottom for out literacy-friendly users... |
| [20:59:50] | iamlindoro__: | er our |
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| [21:01:26] | MoeGreen: | its saying file to write |
| [21:01:28] | MoeGreen: | did it already write it when i hit y? |
| [21:01:31] | justinh: | sigh. just think how low the bar is going to be when legions of windows users join us |
| [21:01:41] | Daenyth|Work: | heh |
| [21:01:45] | Daenyth|Work: | needs moar vim |
| [21:01:48] | justinh: | MoeGreen: it asks just to be sure |
| [21:01:51] | ** iamlindoro__ mashes his head in the table. Hard. ** | |
| [21:02:04] | iamlindoro__: | Just hit enter again to confirm the filename to save as |
| [21:02:25] | justinh: | course, helps if you RTFM before using a program. oh there I go again being evil suggesting people read stuff |
| [21:03:21] | iamlindoro__: | Well, that's partially my fault, I told him to use Nano, but I don't know what somoen who doesn't know how to cp a file is doing using knoppix of all myth distros... MythBuntu would have been the far better choice, methinks. |
| [21:03:31] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: good job you didn't say vi |
| [21:03:34] | iamlindoro__: | s/somoen/someone/ |
| [21:03:40] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, there aren't enough hours in the day |
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| [21:03:56] | iamlindoro__: | s/knoppix/knoppmyth/ |
| [21:04:16] | justinh: | maybe if we all duck out of here & learn to code instead, to make the ultimate easy linux apps n stuff :) |
| [21:04:16] | MoeGreen: | sorry guys :) |
| [21:04:34] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, It's ok, you get a pass for having the right attitude |
| [21:05:31] | iamlindoro__: | I'll abide a whole lot of being uninformed when the person has a decent attitude and isn't fighting me the entire way |
| [21:05:34] | opentrinity: | iamlindoro_ is quite like me :-/ |
| [21:06:06] | justinh: | MoeGreen: when you get a spare minute, man nano or read its online help :) |
| [21:06:18] | opentrinity: | O:-) St. iamlindoro from ca. |
| [21:06:45] | justinh: | the big problem linux has is that it just can't read the user's mind |
| [21:06:53] | MoeGreen: | i will, im going to dive into linux after i get this thing up and running |
| [21:07:11] | iamlindoro__: | opentrinity, Haha, hardly saintly, but thanks |
| [21:07:18] | justinh: | you'll be doing yourself a favour more than this channel (and others) believe me |
| [21:07:23] | opentrinity: | ;-) |
| [21:09:12] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, any progress? Do we have a /dev/lirc and a /dev/lirc0 yet? |
| [21:09:39] | MoeGreen: | finishing up step 2 right now |
| [21:09:42] | justinh: | what's that saying go like again? help us to help you? some bollocks like that ;) |
| [21:10:28] | Daenyth|Work: | justinh: Sorry to bug you again, but I'm really not finding anything like you said. Would you mind naming any that you know of? |
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| [21:10:35] | justinh: | could be worse. you could have posted the wrong questions on a forum, and you'd still be waiting for the 1st reply tomorrow |
| [21:11:22] | MoeGreen: | ok so now you want me to run ls -al /dev/lirc* |
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| [21:11:36] | iamlindoro__: | Upon reflection, I think I prefer total ignorance to slightly informed. Because that's when people start to fight you because they read blah blah in a blog about compiling Myth SVN in Ubuntu -3.14159 Cross Crocodile |
| [21:12:06] | justinh: | Daenyth|Work: I have no idea but searching for 'mame frontend linux' might get you further |
| [21:12:19] | Daenyth|Work: | justinh: alright, thanks :) |
| [21:12:21] | justinh: | or 'xmame frontend linux' |
| [21:12:36] | Daenyth|Work: | Thanks for the advice all |
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| [21:12:52] | emory: | I have a dilemma: I would like to have some sort of screensaver come up when menu is idle and xscreensaver/gnome-screensaver dont disable when lirc device is used... does anyone have ANY suggestions google is turning up nothing... |
| [21:13:19] | justinh: | emory: my screensaver disables when I press a remote button |
| [21:13:37] | emory: | :( well then whats wrong with my configuration? |
| [21:13:40] | justinh: | don't ask me how. I just use mythbuntu |
| [21:13:45] | emory: | hmmm |
| [21:14:12] | justinh: | then again it's not so much a screensaver.. more just power saving |
| [21:14:24] | iamlindoro__: | If you want to be messy, you could map the back button on your remote to program = irexec a script that just does killall xscreensaver |
| [21:14:49] | clever: | id think killing xscreensaver would prevent it from ever starting again till you reboot |
| [21:14:56] | ** justinh is tired and has completed a total 0% theme this week :( ** | |
| [21:14:58] | iamlindoro__: | nope. |
| [21:15:08] | emory: | yeah I've considered that I but I wanted to find a cleaner solution |
| [21:15:10] | clever: | could be made to react diff on certain signals |
| [21:15:20] | justinh: | clever: don't confuse the lad |
| [21:15:23] | clever: | lol |
| [21:15:26] | emory: | I know that there's a gnome-screensaver-command -a or something that will tell the pc you are no longer idle |
| [21:15:44] | justinh: | that's something else. I don't use the ugly bloat that is gnome |
| [21:15:44] | emory: | probably the clenesst way if i was to use irexec I was hoping there was a cleaner way too do it though |
| [21:15:55] | emory: | lol |
| [21:16:01] | iamlindoro__: | Or just remember to turn off the TV. that works and the icecaps appreciate it. |
| [21:16:09] | justinh: | I don't use the ugly bloat that is kde either, so no fear desktop flamewar fans |
| [21:16:23] | emory: | lol |
| [21:16:52] | emory: | we usually turn off the TV I just want something for those times we walk out of the room and forget... |
| [21:16:59] | justinh: | strictly speaking my dev box has gnome installed & running but I don't actually use the desktop |
| [21:17:12] | clever: | emory: my tv will turn itself off if theres no signal for 10mins |
| [21:17:38] | clever: | emory: but with my X/kde config the card ALLWAYS puts out a signal(except for the odd time the sys is off) |
| [21:17:49] | emory: | yeah |
| [21:17:54] | opentrinity: | justinh: u r themes developer? |
| [21:18:04] | justinh: | a snag with my power saving thing is that it doesn't just blank the screen.. the tvout goes inactive too which means the TV ends up having the input name stuck at the top left of the screen. need to get around to disable the screen blanking sometime |
| [21:18:41] | clever: | if i where to disable the tvout signal id have to turn the tv on often |
| [21:18:44] | MoeGreen: | step 1 tells me to add setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none |
| [21:18:48] | clever: | which is another remote id need to keep close |
| [21:18:58] | justinh: | it might turn itself off after a while but I'm not risking crt burn to find out |
| [21:19:03] | MoeGreen: | should i put it in 1st line or at the bottom? |
| [21:19:19] | justinh: | MoeGreen: to what file? |
| [21:19:27] | clever: | ive heard that most recent screens arent affected by crt burn as much |
| [21:19:55] | emory: | I'm not sure how old the TV is and I can't afford to hope that it wont be affected |
| [21:19:59] | justinh: | I think it's generally safe to put additions at the bottom MoeGreen |
| [21:20:05] | MoeGreen: | "/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh" |
| [21:20:24] | justinh: | tip for doc writers: if you mean add to the end, say _append_ not add ;) |
| [21:20:48] | justinh: | MoeGreen: yeah at the bottom should be just fine. on its own line |
| [21:21:24] | justinh: | time to watch some more tv. good luck MoeGreen |
| [21:24:29] | CCFL_Man2: | adding dvb-asi support to myth might be a good idea, but who else will use it other than me? |
| [21:24:40] | emory: | I'm just thinking it through and I'm pretty sure that if I'm watching live tv screensaver will not be suppressed... is there a way to do that? |
| [21:25:11] | clever: | when playing anything |
| [21:25:15] | clever: | mythtv disabled dpms |
| [21:25:24] | clever: | and when you stop/pause it resumes dpms |
| [21:25:36] | emory: | ah ... well now that doesn't sound right... |
| [21:25:41] | MoeGreen: | i did steps 1 and 2 and its still saying lirc not configured. |
| [21:25:44] | emory: | I'm almost certain that I've had to deal with that |
| [21:25:57] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, That may be because we catt'ed the file to the end of lircd.conf |
| [21:25:58] | emory: | and its the main reason I disabled Screensaver in the first place |
| [21:26:15] | iamlindoro__: | moegreen go back to the folder where you downloaded the remote definition and let me know when you are ready |
| [21:26:19] | clever: | emory: most screensaver progs id think would obey the dpms mode |
| [21:26:46] | emory: | might have changed in gutsy/new gnome but with feisty it definitely did not work |
| [21:26:52] | emory: | i'll try it again |
| [21:26:53] | clever: | emory: check mythfrontend stdout/logs when pausing |
| [21:27:15] | clever: | emory: most of my systems show a msg about dpms every time i (un)pause |
| [21:27:34] | emory: | where's myth store logs? |
| [21:28:07] | MoeGreen: | ok im root at /home/mythtv# |
| [21:28:13] | MoeGreen: | and thats where the file is when i do ls |
| [21:28:14] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, We're going to do this, and only one character different from last time, so just cut and paste: sudo cat RM-SXV008J > /etc/lircd.conf |
| [21:28:17] | clever: | emory: by default they only go to stdout |
| [21:28:24] | iamlindoro__: | One arrow instead of two like the last time |
| [21:28:24] | emory: | ah fun ok |
| [21:28:34] | MoeGreen: | ok ill try taht |
| [21:28:42] | clever: | emory: but the script you might be using to start it could be using > or --log-file |
| [21:28:53] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, then reload lirc with sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart |
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| [21:31:09] | hobomobo: | hey guys, i need a spot of help with SQL to clean up mythvideo. my backup is current ;-) i have 320 files in /myth/video/ that i want to move to /myth/video/folder/ without losing all of my hand entered metadata. i'm using phpmyadmin and this query returns all the entries i want to update: SELECT * FROM `videometadata` WHERE `title` LIKE CONVERT(_utf8 '%video_name%' USING latin1) COLLATE latin1_swedish_ci |
| [21:31:34] | MoeGreen: | ok that took |
| [21:31:47] | hobomobo: | i want to change filename from /myth/video/file.avi to /myth/video/folder/file.avi |
| [21:32:18] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, no more bitching about not being configured now? |
| [21:32:37] | MoeGreen: | yup,,that worked |
| [21:32:47] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, do we have /dev/lircanything? |
| [21:32:48] | MoeGreen: | no box saying it wasnt configred |
| [21:32:56] | iamlindoro__: | d or a # |
| [21:33:01] | iamlindoro__: | or even better, both |
| [21:33:18] | MoeGreen: | you mean run the ls -al |
| [21:33:25] | iamlindoro__: | yes, ls -al /dev/lirc8 |
| [21:33:26] | iamlindoro__: | er lirc* |
| [21:33:33] | MoeGreen: | ok let me see |
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| [21:34:56] | MoeGreen: | yup 2 lines.. /dev/lirc0 and the other says /dev/lircd |
| [21:35:04] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, That's a great start, good job |
| [21:35:17] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, now try "sudo irw" (without quotes) |
| [21:35:53] | CCFL_Man2: | sci atl mqam modulator on ebay |
| [21:36:05] | MoeGreen: | connection refused |
| [21:36:11] | CCFL_Man2: | question is, can i do in the clear qam with it |
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| [21:37:05] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, I need you to pastebin two things for me |
| [21:37:16] | iamlindoro__: | first is output of: ps aux |grep lircd |
| [21:37:30] | iamlindoro__: | Second is: dmesg |grep lirc |
| [21:37:48] | iamlindoro__: | OH, and one more thing, did you reboot after making all those cahnged? |
| [21:37:50] | iamlindoro__: | er changes? |
| [21:37:58] | MoeGreen: | ya i rebooted |
| [21:38:01] | iamlindoro__: | ok |
| [21:38:07] | iamlindoro__: | pastebin those two please |
| [21:38:26] | MoeGreen: | whats pastebin? |
| [21:38:40] | iamlindoro__: | pastebin.ca |
| [21:38:57] | iamlindoro__: | go there, paste it in, press post. It will give you a link to put back here in the room |
| [21:38:58] | opentrinity: | www.pastebin.ca ----> past here code |
| [21:39:24] | MoeGreen: | from the linux machine? |
| [21:39:28] | iamlindoro__: | yes. |
| [21:39:53] | MoeGreen: | ok if the mythv web lets me :) |
| [21:40:11] | iamlindoro__: | moegreen, on your linux machine: |
| [21:40:15] | iamlindoro__: | sudo apt-get install firefox |
| [21:40:23] | MoeGreen: | k |
| [21:40:32] | iamlindoro__: | answer yes if asked, let it finish, and then from a terminal, type firefox |
| [21:41:41] | MoeGreen: | ok its installing |
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| [21:47:38] | MoeGreen: | :) how do you copy in term? |
| [21:47:49] | MoeGreen: | it spit out stuff i just need to copy to pastebin |
| [21:48:02] | iamlindoro__: | Depends on the terminal... some are Ctrl-Shift-C, others differ |
| [21:48:07] | CCFL_Man2: | fucking scientific atlanta |
| [21:48:26] | iamlindoro__: | I'd just look at the edit menu, myself |
| [21:48:45] | CCFL_Man2: | why do they fucking hide their manuals so no one can see them? |
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| [21:49:21] | CCFL_Man2: | when i shop for equipment the manual is what i look at to be sure the piece of equipment is what i need |
| [21:49:35] | CCFL_Man2: | sales literature usually is lacking |
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| [21:52:47] | MoeGreen: | http://pastebin.ca/871320 |
| [21:53:22] | MoeGreen: | nothing happened when i did the ps aux |grep lircd |
| [21:53:46] | iamlindoro__: | erm, nothing?? that means lirc isn't running. Something is screwed up there. |
| [21:54:18] | MoeGreen: | it just went to another command line |
| [21:54:24] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, type lircd --help |
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| [21:54:33] | iamlindoro__: | and see if you get the usage info |
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| [21:55:37] | MoeGreen: | ya i get the usage info |
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| [21:56:27] | iamlindoro__: | ok, try lircd -n --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc0 |
| [21:56:39] | iamlindoro__: | And tell me *exactly* how it behaves |
| [21:58:43] | MoeGreen: | command not found |
| [21:58:51] | MoeGreen: | woops,i missed the d |
| [21:58:53] | iamlindoro__: | *huh?* |
| [21:58:56] | iamlindoro__: | I was gonna say |
| [22:00:27] | MoeGreen: | lirc-0.8.2 -cvs -pvr150{3554}:lirc(all) ready |
| [22:00:43] | iamlindoro__: | Huh, funny, it's trying to use the pvr150 remote |
| [22:00:51] | iamlindoro__: | okay, ctrl-c |
| [22:00:55] | iamlindoro__: | to quit lircd |
| [22:01:02] | iamlindoro__: | and now try: |
| [22:01:17] | iamlindoro__: | lircd -n --driver=lirc_serial --device=/dev/lirc0 |
| [22:01:27] | MoeGreen: | k |
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| [22:03:13] | MoeGreen: | gave me a whole list of stuff and in the list is creative and mp3anything |
| [22:03:21] | MoeGreen: | if that helps |
| [22:03:26] | iamlindoro__: | no... pastebin |
| [22:03:31] | MoeGreen: | ok |
| [22:06:15] | MoeGreen: | http://pastebin.ca/871345 |
| [22:07:04] | iamlindoro__: | ok, not having used serial in an age, do the following: |
| [22:07:08] | iamlindoro__: | open a second terminal |
| [22:07:24] | iamlindoro__: | type: lircd -n --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc0 |
| [22:07:33] | iamlindoro__: | in first terminal, ps aux |grep lircd |
| [22:07:40] | iamlindoro__: | and tell me if it shows as running. |
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| [22:12:05] | MoeGreen: | http://pastebin.ca/871358 |
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| [22:12:10] | MoeGreen: | looks like its running |
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| [22:12:16] | iamlindoro__: | yes. |
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| [22:12:30] | iamlindoro__: | ok, now in the free terminal, type sudo irw |
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| [22:13:49] | MoeGreen: | accepted new client on /dev/lircd |
| [22:13:55] | iamlindoro__: | press some buttons on your remote. |
| [22:14:03] | iamlindoro__: | aiming at the IR eye, of course. |
| [22:14:24] | iamlindoro__: | And tell me if you see output. |
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| [22:16:42] | MoeGreen: | no nothing on the screen |
| [22:16:51] | iamlindoro__: | And that |
| [22:17:00] | iamlindoro__: | 's with your remote we copied the config for, right? |
| [22:17:07] | MoeGreen: | ya |
| [22:17:13] | iamlindoro__: | type sudo mode2 |
| [22:17:13] | MoeGreen: | should i be seeing numbers? |
| [22:17:25] | iamlindoro__: | You should be seeing hex codes and button names. |
| [22:17:37] | iamlindoro__: | ctrl-c out of irw, do sudo mode2 |
| [22:18:33] | iamlindoro__: | If you get a flashing cursor, press buttons again |
| [22:19:10] | MoeGreen: | sudo mode2 give me no such file or directory |
| [22:19:18] | iamlindoro__: | wtf is wrong with knoppmyth? |
| [22:19:24] | iamlindoro__: | do a locate mode2 |
| [22:19:28] | iamlindoro__: | and see if anything comes up |
| [22:20:21] | iamlindoro__: | Moegreen, what capture card do you have in that box? |
| [22:22:18] | iamlindoro__: | dude, moegreen, you're killing me here... |
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| [22:24:25] | MoeGreen: | i have a pvr150 |
| [22:24:33] | MoeGreen: | sorry man. |
| [22:24:43] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, Why aren't you using the IR attachment for that? |
| [22:24:53] | MoeGreen: | this one doesnt have a remote |
| [22:25:08] | iamlindoro__: | Where'd you get it, second-hand? |
| [22:25:27] | MoeGreen: | no i bought it brand new, but my model doesnt come with a remote, the model higher does |
| [22:25:42] | iamlindoro__: | ook... so what about all the other stuff I asked you? |
| [22:26:05] | MoeGreen: | http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16815116620 |
| [22:26:16] | iamlindoro__: | moegreen, don't care, what about the other questions? |
| [22:26:38] | MoeGreen: | whats another thing i can try to copy in a term..shift control c is not working...so i can put it on pastebin |
| [22:26:53] | iamlindoro__: | gah, never mind |
| [22:26:59] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, try this |
| [22:27:00] | MoeGreen: | it says theres one under /usr/bin/mode2 |
| [22:27:07] | iamlindoro__: | try: |
| [22:27:11] | iamlindoro__: | xmode2 -d /dev/lirc0 |
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| [22:27:15] | iamlindoro__: | and press some buttons |
| [22:27:15] | Dibblah: | Confusingly, the MCE version of the 150 doesn't have the IR on the board. |
| [22:27:46] | Dibblah: | or /dev/lirc/0 depending on how the writers of your udev rules set was feeling. |
| [22:28:00] | iamlindoro__: | Dibblah, we've been at this a while, it's /dev/lirc0 |
| [22:28:06] | Dibblah: | :) |
| [22:28:12] | iamlindoro__: | too long a while ;) |
| [22:28:52] | iamlindoro__: | Dibblah, I'm learning why my new most hated distro is Knoppmyth |
| [22:29:09] | Dibblah: | The traditional one is Gentoo. |
| [22:29:13] | Dibblah: | Just so you know. |
| [22:29:15] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [22:29:22] | iamlindoro__: | Heh... Gentoo and I are ok |
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| [22:29:43] | mzb_d800: | tjcarter, GreyFoxx, and quicksilver: the .au grabber (shepherd) does an excellent job. 7-day EIT data is now available as of 20080102, but I've not checked it as shepherd gives me *everything* ;) |
| [22:29:47] | MoeGreen: | brings up a window with blue vertical lines and nothing happens when i hit buttons. |
| [22:29:53] | Dibblah: | Me too. Just as long as I use SVN myth, I don't get too annoyed. |
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| [22:30:05] | iamlindoro__: | But I'm reading the knoppmyth wiki and seeing all this "put all these steps in your /etc/init.d/bootmisc" |
| [22:30:15] | iamlindoro__: | And I'm like a-whaaaaaat? |
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| [22:30:30] | iamlindoro__: | moegreen, we're going to do some stuff step by step here. |
| [22:30:31] | Dibblah: | Why? Are you Mario all of a sudden? |
| [22:31:09] | iamlindoro__: | moegreen, do each of the commands down, ok? |
| [22:31:12] | MoeGreen: | ok |
| [22:31:20] | iamlindoro__: | rmmod lirc_serial |
| [22:31:26] | iamlindoro__: | killall lircd |
| [22:31:37] | iamlindoro__: | setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none |
| [22:31:49] | iamlindoro__: | oh, whoops, any and all of the above may need sudo |
| [22:31:50] | iamlindoro__: | so |
| [22:31:55] | iamlindoro__: | sudo rmmod lirc_serial |
| [22:31:59] | iamlindoro__: | sudo killall lircd |
| [22:32:08] | iamlindoro__: | sudo setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none |
| [22:32:21] | iamlindoro__: | sudo modprobe lirc_serial type=4 |
| [22:32:39] | tjcarter: | Dibblah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpBGRA6HHtY |
| [22:32:40] | iamlindoro__: | sudo /usr/sbin/lircd |
| [22:32:59] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, now open a second terminal. tell me when you've caught up or have a problem. |
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| [22:34:12] | jams: | iamlindoro- if nothing else the roomba is REALLY good at running into things |
| [22:34:41] | iamlindoro__: | jams, Heh... it's not too bad at getting *out* of trouble either |
| [22:35:04] | jams: | most of the time |
| [22:35:09] | jams: | picks up alot of stuff |
| [22:35:22] | jams: | kinda impressive how much stuff it finds |
| [22:35:23] | iamlindoro__: | yup. Makes you realize just how nast your carpet really is |
| [22:35:26] | MoeGreen: | ok so in 1 term type in one of those after another |
| [22:35:33] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, yes |
| [22:35:42] | MoeGreen: | k |
| [22:36:08] | ** iamlindoro__ feels like this must be what troubleshooting myth on peyote must be like... five minute delays to everything. ** | |
| [22:36:14] | jams: | just did the upstairs, after it charges it's going downstairs for a clean. Might have to get another one ;) |
| [22:36:14] | runof1: | Thanks for any help, two Mythbutnu frontends running. Key pad issues: v for pic in pic works, m for menu works ,but volume keys F9–11 display but no change in volume ????? |
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| [22:37:29] | iamlindoro__: | jams, I have a scooba for my downstairs. Now *that* thing kicks ass. |
| [22:38:10] | jams: | we do need one for the kitchen and half bath |
| [22:38:54] | jams: | do you scooba the hardwood floors? |
| [22:39:23] | iamlindoro__: | jams, They're laminate... I said mahogany to demonstrate color (ie deep reddish brown) |
| [22:39:37] | iamlindoro__: | they're notreal(tm) |
| [22:39:39] | jams: | ah |
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| [22:40:40] | jams: | it doesn't seem to have problems with the darkgreen. Suppose being a solid color with no pattern helps, now it did think part of the hardwood was dirty cause of the wood grain pattern. |
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| [22:41:12] | jams: | i love the fact they have a robot for cleaning your gutters |
| [22:41:43] | iamlindoro__: | they have a ton of totally-specialized-can't-see-myself-using-them robots... like the pet hair one, the shopvac one, etc. |
| [22:42:28] | yfaykya: | Hi all – Anyone here using a 7300GS? I was just wondering what playback settings they were using and what deinterlacer.. |
| [22:42:44] | Aval0n-: | justinh: you there? |
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| [22:43:31] | iamlindoro__: | yfaykya, any nvidia card will be set roughly the same way in myth, since very little is done by the GPU. What playback settings and deinterlacer are *far* more dependent on your processor |
| [22:43:40] | hobophobe: | Where do I set the backend settings for accessing the database? |
| [22:43:51] | hobophobe: | I didn't see it in mythtv-setup |
| [22:43:56] | iamlindoro__: | hobophobe, mythtv-setup or ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [22:43:59] | MoeGreen: | after i did killall lircd it said no process killed |
| [22:44:08] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, it's fine, move on |
| [22:44:13] | MoeGreen: | k |
| [22:44:23] | iamlindoro__: | are you seriously only on the second step?? |
| [22:44:29] | iamlindoro__: | I have to go home someday, ya know |
| [22:44:41] | MoeGreen: | i rebooted to make sure everything was starting from scratch. |
| [22:44:48] | iamlindoro__: | don't add steps! |
| [22:44:57] | iamlindoro__: | just do what I ask you to, *please* |
| [22:44:59] | tjcarter: | Dibblah: also http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/98850 |
| [22:45:21] | tjcarter: | Dibblah: but its newgrounds, so it's even more wrong than the YouTube one. |
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| [22:45:48] | MoeGreen: | k they all took |
| [22:45:52] | yfaykya: | I have c2d @ 1.66Mhz. It is all SD.. |
| [22:46:07] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, so you now have lircd running in a terminal, yes? |
| [22:46:47] | MoeGreen: | no, just the one term to enter in all that. |
| [22:46:57] | iamlindoro__: | yfaykya, ignoring the fact that that's the slowest Core 2 Duo ever made (Go 1.66 Mhz! Yay Tandy!) you can set pretty much any deint you want. If you are running SVN, try Yadif |
| [22:47:04] | yfaykya: | I have compiled xvmc-opengl into trunk but this causes mythtv to segfault more often that not using these settings |
| [22:47:33] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, now try xmode2 -d /dev/lirc0 |
| [22:47:41] | iamlindoro__: | and press some buttons and tell me if anything happens |
| [22:47:47] | MoeGreen: | in a new term or the same one? |
| [22:47:51] | iamlindoro__: | same is fine |
| [22:47:54] | MoeGreen: | k |
| [22:47:56] | MoeGreen: | brb |
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| [22:48:39] | iamlindoro__: | yfaykya, Opengl video is purely experimental, use xv-blit, and you can experiment with deinterlacers, I like yadif. |
| [22:49:13] | MoeGreen: | dangit..nothing |
| [22:49:21] | yfaykya: | Am using standard/xv-blit/yadiff and there is a slight stutter on news tickers etc.. |
| [22:49:39] | hobophobe: | starting mythbackend keeps saying that the database isn't open? |
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| [22:50:03] | iamlindoro__: | hobophobe, check /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt, correct as necessary |
| [22:50:24] | iamlindoro__: | yfaykya, You're going to have to experiment then |
| [22:50:37] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, ps aux |grep lircd please |
| [22:50:43] | iamlindoro__: | pastebin |
| [22:51:07] | yfaykya: | yup! Figured so. Have been doing so now for a few months. Thought someone might have a nice recipe :-) – Thanks! |
| [22:51:10] | MoeGreen: | k |
| [22:51:33] | CCFL_Man2: | living planet on deutsche welle radio |
| [22:53:09] | zabadapp: | what kind of deinterlacer is "yadiff"? never heard of it ... |
| [22:53:48] | iamlindoro__: | yet another deinterlacing filter from mplayer/ffmpeg |
| [22:54:14] | MoeGreen: | http://pastebin.ca/871433 |
| [22:54:21] | yfaykya: | is there any good list of the different interlacers anywhere? |
| [22:54:35] | iamlindoro__: | not one that just covers the myth ones, no |
| [22:55:05] | iamlindoro__: | Many of them are covered here, however this is mplayer centric: http://guru.multimedia.cx/deinterlacing-filters/ |
| [22:55:06] | zabadapp: | can it be used to play back myth recordings? |
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| [22:55:13] | iamlindoro__: | zabadapp, In trunk, yes. |
| [22:55:20] | zabadapp: | sweet! i |
| [22:56:18] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, Dude, I am about out of ideas here... The problem could be almost anything, from the contruction of your receiver to software... the software should definitely be working now. Have you tested your receiver in any way? |
| [22:56:42] | zabadapp: | i'm on 0.20.2 and use "kernel", but for anything quick I must change to "bob" .. (whish it could be done with just a keypress)... will yadiff combine the progressive display of "kernel", and the 2X refreshrate of "bob"? |
| [22:57:37] | MoeGreen: | i made sure its getting power and the that the IR has power, but lets say it is my reciever, if i find something wrong with it and fix it..should it work as soon as i reboot mythg |
| [22:57:43] | clever: | http://pastebin.ca/871437 |
| [22:57:49] | clever: | ive found a defect within rescheduling |
| [22:57:56] | MoeGreen: | cause im going to go through it again build it again |
| [22:57:58] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, This isn't windows, it's linux, stop rebooting all the time |
| [22:58:12] | clever: | if i make a change WHILE its rescheduling it queues up the resched |
| [22:58:21] | clever: | and if i make 20 changes |
| [22:58:26] | clever: | it has to resched 20 times |
| [22:58:31] | clever: | 1 change at a time! |
| [22:58:35] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, You may have the software working perfectly now but you could blow that with a reboot. Just check your reciever. Or better yet, get yourself a nice snapstream USB receiver |
| [22:59:02] | iamlindoro__: | speaking of which, They have 'em at Fry's, thinking I might get one of those firefly remotes |
| [22:59:35] | emory: | MythTV LiveTV isn't suppressing gnome-screensaver... logs are showing no errors when it deactivates DPMS |
| [22:59:36] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, Even BETTER case, download mythbuntu and install that |
| [22:59:41] | emory: | any ideas? |
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| [22:59:45] | MoeGreen: | but for now since im going to tear apart and rebuild the circuit, i can just plug it back in and start using it? |
| [22:59:45] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, 'cause knoppmyth isn't even .20.2 |
| [22:59:48] | clever: | emory: try -v all |
| [22:59:57] | clever: | emory: logs will get alot more spamy but also be more detailed |
| [23:00:03] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, presuming the software was all correct, yes. |
| [23:00:11] | clever: | emory: -v all,noaudio,noplayback may reduce the clutter some |
| [23:00:12] | MoeGreen: | ya maybe i should try buntu if my rebuild doesnt work |
| [23:00:16] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, But it's a big presumption since everything is a question mark right now |
| [23:00:30] | yfaykya: | greedy 2x looks close to what I want.. |
| [23:00:46] | MoeGreen: | ok so rebuild plug it in, (no reboot) and go into xmode2 to see if anything happens? |
| [23:00:55] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, yes. |
| [23:01:15] | Yggdr4sil: | can somone tell me if theres a way to extend the message that comes on while watching live tv and asks about wheather you want to watch tv or record. its thirty seconds but id like to make it like 5 minutes |
| [23:01:34] | iamlindoro__: | Yggdr4sil, You'd likely have to go into the code for that |
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| [23:01:43] | MoeGreen: | now say it works..and i need to turn my pc off for whatever reason..it will still work without monkeying around with it right? |
| [23:01:48] | yfaykya: | Can TV not be recorded from PVR150 in a progressive manner and thus not need an deinterlacer to display on a 720p50 TV? |
| [23:01:54] | clever: | iamlindoro__: what does it do when the 30 seconds it up, ive never risked a recording to see... |
| [23:02:07] | directhex: | yfaykya, the broadcast is interlaced |
| [23:02:12] | clever: | yfaykya: the signal on the wire is interlaced |
| [23:02:18] | iamlindoro__: | clever, If you do nothing I beleive it bumps you to the menu |
| [23:02:28] | clever: | ahh |
| [23:02:36] | zabadapp: | yfaykya: is greedy also in myth svn only? |
| [23:02:39] | iamlindoro__: | MoeGreen, not necessarily |
| [23:02:43] | emory: | clever: still seeing no errors :( I like errors then I have something to google |
| [23:02:44] | iamlindoro__: | zabadapp, yes. |
| [23:02:47] | yfaykya: | Well if the TV can deal with from there why not from Myth? |
| [23:02:48] | clever: | iamlindoro__: that could be a problem if say i had 5mins between playback and recording |
| [23:03:04] | yfaykya: | zabadapp : yup |
| [23:03:05] | clever: | iamlindoro__: what if i want to stop recording while i keep watching the 5mins that piled up? |
| [23:03:23] | iamlindoro__: | clever, couldn't tell ya, I so seldom watch live tv |
| [23:03:28] | clever: | yeah same here |
| [23:03:42] | clever: | only time i use livetv is when testing pretty much |
| [23:03:49] | yfaykya: | me 2! |
| [23:04:06] | clever: | often i start watching a sheduled show seconds after it starts recording on its own so its basicaly livetv |
| [23:04:08] | yfaykya: | Just for the WAF |
| [23:04:22] | clever: | but if i ff too far it just up and exits without waiting for the recorder to output more |
| [23:05:25] | emory: | so anyideas why mythtv isn't suppressing screensaver? |
| [23:05:33] | zabadapp: | yfaykya: "bob" deinterlacre (not really a deinterlacer) will reproduce the image close to how an CRT-tv would ... 50/60 fps motions at half res, but at the same time 2x lines when motionless |
| [23:06:00] | clever: | zabadapp: bob also loves to suck down cpu on my system |
| [23:06:23] | clever: | zabadapp: somehow after a update i got set to bob and xorg ate tons of kernel side cpu(massively overusing gettimeofday()) |
| [23:06:31] | yfaykya: | I would just like the TV to do the work! |
| [23:06:48] | clever: | once i did figure it out i just shut deint off totaly |
| [23:06:53] | clever: | i rarely see the artifacts |
| [23:07:14] | clever: | yfaykya: my tvout 'screen' is 1024x768 |
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| [23:07:34] | clever: | yfaykya: so mythtv is scaling the video to fit such a large screen(each line covers several and some have to blur together) |
| [23:07:54] | yfaykya: | I am using DVI-HDMI with nvidia xorg 720p50 |
| [23:07:58] | clever: | yfaykya: then the nvidia card is downscaling it back to 480xsomething to fit on the tv(actualy lower because of the underscaning) |
| [23:08:11] | clever: | so theres no 1=1 pairing of the video lines and the tv lines |
| [23:08:32] | clever: | no way i could just output the 2 fields and let the tv deint them normaly |
| [23:09:00] | clever: | and by up and down scaling so much im probly loosing some quality |
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| [23:09:39] | clever: | my 592x480 recordings are being blown up to 1024x768 |
| [23:09:44] | yfaykya: | hmmm.. So from "wire" to TV there is a whole heap of upscaling/downscaling.. Whats the steps? |
| [23:09:50] | clever: | `calc 1024/592 |
| [23:09:52] | clever: | 1024/592 == 1.72973 |
| [23:09:54] | clever: | `calc 768/480 |
| [23:09:56] | clever: | 768/480 == 1.6 |
| [23:10:06] | rinaldi_: | hi, is there an option to shut down the backend system with a frontend from another computer? |
| [23:10:19] | clever: | each line from the video appears to cover about 1.6 pixels of the 'screen' |
| [23:10:53] | clever: | yfaykya: the nvidia driver is showing an Xorg screen of 1024x768 and the XV is blowing the 592x480 up to 'fullscreen' size |
| [23:11:28] | clever: | yfaykya: then the nvidia card internaly scales it back down below normal ntsc size(to leave a black border) and outputs to the tv |
| [23:11:40] | yfaykya: | I am PAL btw... |
| [23:11:55] | yfaykya: | So its 720x576 I think.. |
| [23:11:58] | clever: | so your wxh are just going to be a bit diff |
| [23:12:05] | yfaykya: | yip |
| [23:12:39] | clever: | im thinking in theory |
| [23:12:47] | rinaldi_: | if so how would i do it? |
| [23:12:58] | clever: | you could probly change the lum value as much or as little as you want per line |
| [23:13:01] | clever: | there is no width in pixels |
| [23:13:08] | clever: | (on b&w) |
| [23:13:18] | yfaykya: | I capture from IVTV at 720x576. I have tried using a screen res of this and it still does not look as good as the STB or the wire.. |
| [23:13:32] | clever: | but when you switch over to color it may be 'packets' of color info for each 'pixel' |
| [23:13:37] | emory: | so anyideas why mythtv isn't suppressing screensaver? |
| [23:13:55] | clever: | yfaykya: most of my quality loss atm is the low mpeg2 bitrate |
| [23:13:58] | yfaykya: | emory : What distribution? |
| [23:14:02] | emory: | Ubuntu |
| [23:14:14] | clever: | but i suspect all my scaling is half the problem |
| [23:14:31] | yfaykya: | I have upped the IVTV capture to its max bitrate to see if it would help |
| [23:14:33] | clever: | i dont have the screensaver enabled on any of my systems |
| [23:14:50] | clever: | most i have is the odd black when idle on some |
| [23:14:59] | zabadapp: | clever: you should begin with getting as close to 1:1 pixelmapping at first anyway ... 480 -> 720 -> 768 sounds like one step to much |
| [23:15:02] | yfaykya: | emory : It works fine for me on 7.10 |
| [23:15:29] | emory: | yfaykya: I've got 7.10 and every ten minutes I have to do a gnome-screensaver-command --poke |
| [23:15:38] | clever: | zabadapp: it think its more like 480 -> 768 -> 460 |
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| [23:15:48] | clever: | zabadapp: because of the underscaning |
| [23:16:17] | emory: | mythtv reports that it is successful in its dpms deactivation |
| [23:16:23] | zabadapp: | clever: ok, but weren't your nv-mode 720p @50 ? |
| [23:16:26] | clever: | the card is down scaling the video to something a bit below 480 so it wont cut the edges off |
| [23:16:34] | clever: | SZ: Pixels Physical Refresh |
| [23:16:34] | clever: | *0 1024 x 768 ( 347mm x 260mm ) *60 |
| [23:17:36] | yfaykya: | dpms is different. That is to the monitor not the screensaver IIRC |
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| [23:17:58] | emory: | well I actually had to disable dpms in xorg.conf |
| [23:18:17] | emory: | because mythtv wasn't disabling it |
| [23:18:17] | yfaykya: | And then in mythtv you picked disable screensaver? |
| [23:18:25] | clever: | yeah but id think the screensaver may follow the dpms setting to make things a bit more seamless |
| [23:18:31] | emory: | I have spent hours pouring through settings and never seen that... |
| [23:18:49] | clever: | zabadapp: http://pastebin.ca/871462 |
| [23:18:53] | clever: | zabadapp: the parts of my xorg.conf that relate to the tv output |
| [23:18:54] | emory: | where would I disable screensaver in myth? |
| [23:19:03] | clever: | (also i cant get tv ONLY for some odd reason) |
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| [23:21:33] | zabadapp: | clever: what was the actual problem? i forgot :-) ... |
| [23:21:52] | clever: | i just feel the scaling might be causing a quality loss |
| [23:21:59] | clever: | but theres no actual problem right now |
| [23:22:18] | clever: | other then the hardlocking when i try to use both the nvidia and s3 virge but thats a whole other thing;P |
| [23:22:52] | yfaykya: | emory : What version of myth? Are you using mythbuntu packages? |
| [23:23:06] | zabadapp: | clever: what is the native res of your tv's panel? (is it plasma/lcd? or crt?) |
| [23:23:07] | emory: | no just downloaded mythtv with apt onto a gutsy system |
| [23:23:12] | emory: | um lemme check the version |
| [23:23:21] | clever: | zabadapp: crt based tv |
| [23:23:34] | emory: | 0.20 |
| [23:23:54] | clever: | zabadapp: and a button can make it crush the 4:3 image to display as 16:9 (just making the 480 rows shorter) |
| [23:23:57] | yfaykya: | Why not just disable the screensaver from the OS? |
| [23:24:08] | emory: | because I don't wanna burn out my TV |
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| [23:24:30] | clever: | zabadapp: basicaly like grabing the V-size knob on your monitor and twisting it till the image is 16:9 in shape |
| [23:25:42] | yfaykya: | emory : I think .20.2-fixes has a fix from a quick google I just did. So what you want is screen saver to come on when TV is not playing media and not come on when watching video etc? |
| [23:25:43] | zabadapp: | clever: when I had a crt tv, it was so small (28") that everything looked great (imho) ... but now I have a 42" panel, and tv-recordings looks worse :-( |
| [23:26:30] | clever: | zabadapp: 27" on the diag |
| [23:26:47] | emory: | yfaykya: correct |
| [23:27:11] | clever: | zabadapp: 24" when in 16:9 mode |
| [23:27:50] | clever: | zabadapp: the files look allmost normal quality when on the tv |
| [23:28:12] | clever: | zabadapp: but when on a laptop (even in a tiny window half the screen size) i can see all the mpeg artifacts |
| [23:28:15] | yfaykya: | \quit |
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| [23:29:00] | zabadapp: | clever: when I used my 28" crt, I had a modeline that made 720x576 picture (PAL res, i'm in sweden) ... it looked better than 800x600 and 1024x768 since the tv-out of the graphicscard would make the higher res more fuzzy ... |
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| [23:29:20] | mkrufky: | 2.6.24!! |
| [23:29:29] | clever: | zabadapp: yeah that makes sense |
| [23:29:40] | clever: | zabadapp: also when i used the same card on a tv several decades old |
| [23:29:52] | clever: | zabadapp: it was so damn fuzzy it was imposible to read anything |
| [23:30:09] | clever: | id have to blow the fonts up to 3feet tall to read anything |
| [23:30:23] | clever: | (card was also being driven by winblows xp) |
| [23:30:42] | cafuego: | mkrufky: Not yet |
| [23:31:04] | zabadapp: | clever: yes, since there are no more pixels in the recordings anyway, its no good to have a higher tv-res (and you can't browse the web on the tv anyway, to small/fuzzy even in 1024) |
| [23:31:29] | clever: | ive ran an xterm on the tv often |
| [23:31:33] | cafuego: | My mistake, kernel.org frontpage not yet updated ;-) |
| [23:31:35] | clever: | i just had to blow its font size up |
| [23:31:52] | mkrufky: | cafuego: get with the program |
| [23:31:53] | clever: | but its smaller then a plain text console so some curses programs are a bit hard to use |
| [23:32:00] | mkrufky: | cafuego: Linus released it over 20 minutes ago |
| [23:32:04] | cafuego: | i guess linus is going on holiday now |
| [23:32:25] | zabadapp: | clever: btw!! another trick is to decrease the flicker filter in the nvidia-settings as much as possible, since the image will become much sharper ... |
| [23:32:29] | ** mkrufky jumps for joy and does the happy dance ** | |
| [23:32:44] | ** cafuego frowns and gets on with organising this conferemce ** | |
| [23:33:03] | purserj: | stop watching tv and get back to work |
| [23:33:13] | cafuego: | purserj: oh hush you |
| [23:33:20] | mkrufky: | watching TV is my job |
| [23:33:26] | clever: | zabadapp: also the image from the card(win xp with many feet of compite line) was allmost readable on a 5" tv i have |
| [23:33:32] | purserj: | mkrufky: work in a tv station? |
| [23:33:41] | mkrufky: | not quite |
| [23:33:48] | at0m|c: | zabadapp, that's guessing you only play back recordings/live tv – once you play files w different resolutions, the 720x576 looks worse again eh |
| [23:33:59] | clever: | but that tv was b&w |
| [23:34:07] | at0m|c: | zabadapp, ah, on a TV |
| [23:34:09] | clever: | and it recently hit a floor and lost its V sweeping |
| [23:34:14] | clever: | so i have just a H line now |
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| [23:38:49] | clever: | zabadapp: found some neat settings |
| [23:38:51] | clever: | overscan is set to 8 |
| [23:38:51] | clever: | flicker at 127 |
| [23:39:27] | husam: | Hi I'm trying to compile Myth from the tarball and I'm getting undefined reference to `dts_init' |
| [23:41:41] | zabadapp: | clever: in "nvidia-settings"? remember that you need run it with the "--load-config-only" switch after reboot to recall your changes |
| [23:42:43] | clever: | zabadapp: does the change apply in realtime as i addjust it? |
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| [23:45:33] | clever: | :O |
| [23:45:42] | clever: | i can see the sharpness of the fonts changing |
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| [23:58:25] | emory: | ok I am now using bleeding edge MythTV and it is still not suppressing the screensaver |
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