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Wednesday, January 23rd, 2008, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:04] enhanced: or Micro$hit
[00:00:39] tanner: enhanced: is that really necessary?
[00:01:20] enhanced: tanner: ...thinking
[00:01:23] enhanced: tanner: ...yes
[00:01:29] a1fa: tanner : my understanding is xvmc will take care of resolution
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[00:01:46] a1fa: err
[00:01:49] a1fa: mplayer
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[00:02:22] CCFL_Man2: a1fa: i have a nice sony standard definition
[00:02:41] CCFL_Man2: i'm building a component to s-video converter
[00:02:51] tanner: a1fa: however, if the output of the video card to the tv is only 640x480, then it wont matter if its outputting 1080p, there will be loss in quality
[00:03:04] a1fa: ya
[00:03:35] tanner: therefore, if i want the true intended quality of the media, i'd have to set my resolution to 1920x1080 for hi def content =)
[00:03:45] a1fa: i want to use firefox as browser on the tv
[00:04:06] a1fa: nothin' on wiki
[00:04:11] iamlindoro_: Tanthrix: You're right. I should make a redirect for those. Nice to see the page coming in handy, though.  ;)
[00:05:09] code-er: any one use open bios
[00:05:37] mzb: how do I find the uPNP ID for my master backend?
[00:06:23] a1fa: i hate wireless keyboard
[00:06:25] a1fa: and mouse
[00:06:30] a1fa: range. 2ft
[00:06:37] enhanced: heh
[00:06:45] mzb: s/UPnP/ ;)
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[00:08:47] iamlindoro_: no idea how often the wiki gets indexed but those pages have been there for a bit and still return no results on a search.
[00:09:32] mzb: .
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[00:10:54] code-er: ok
[00:11:03] code-er: signal "4b00" snr "a5f2"
[00:11:07] code-er: what does that mean
[00:11:07] code-er: (dvb)
[00:11:15] CCFL_Man2: dvb-t?
[00:11:22] iamlindoro_: There we go, hddvd, bluray, hd-dvd, and blu-ray all redirect now.
[00:11:46] visit0r: hmm I wonder could Elisa be easily a mythfrontend replacement... screenshots seem neat
[00:11:53] CCFL_Man2: or dvb-s
[00:11:54] visit0r: in theory should not be hard to implement
[00:11:58] code-er: dvb-s
[00:12:12] CCFL_Man2: ahh, what stations you receiving?
[00:12:31] a1fa: visit0r : Elisa?
[00:12:38] tanner: isn't HD content encoded in mpeg2?
[00:12:39] a1fa: url?
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[00:13:43] portahex: tanner, mpeg2 is the worst of the 3 hd codecs
[00:13:44] iamlindoro_: some is. depended where you live and what you're talking about.
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[00:14:17] tanner: portahex: perhaps so.. but its the only one supported by Xvmc :(
[00:14:20] iamlindoro_: If you're talking about Digital TV in the US, then yes, it's mpeg-2... but europe gets MPEG-2 and H.264.... and blu-ray and hd-dvd contain those two and VC1
[00:14:49] CCFL_Man2: portahex: what do you mean? it's the best quality
[00:15:06] iamlindoro_: CCFL_Man2: H.264 is far better quality than MPEG-2
[00:15:09] portahex: CCFL_Man2, at equal bitrates, it's nowhere near
[00:15:14] portahex: CCFL_Man2, as in not remotely
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[00:15:32] code-rr: right now im not receiving anything
[00:15:39] code-rr: i wanna see if this card is fried or not.
[00:15:44] CCFL_Man2: news to me
[00:15:44] iamlindoro_: You can get a comparable picture to MPEG-2 with H.264 at 60% of the bitrate
[00:15:53] code-rr: or if the drivers are an issue.i just want to see if it will lock on to anything
[00:15:54] iamlindoro_: At the same bitrates, H.264 wipes the floor with MPEG-2
[00:16:04] code-rr: ?
[00:16:07] visit0r: a1fa: http://elisa.fluendo.com/
[00:16:32] visit0r: interestingly (and ironically) it's implemented in Python ;) could be interesting to see whether a MythTV plugin would be implementable.
[00:17:04] a1fa: if its one of those scam virus sites i'll rip your dick off
[00:17:13] CCFL_Man2: here i thought mpeg2 had better picture quality
[00:17:17] a1fa: :P
[00:17:24] code-rr: the odd part is the signal strars at 5x00 and drops to 4b00
[00:17:31] iamlindoro_: Quoth the Wiki, "The intent of the H.264/AVC project was to create a standard capable of providing good video quality at substantially lower bit rates than previous standards (e.g. half or less the bit rate of MPEG-2, H.263, or MPEG-4 Part 2), without increasing the complexity of design so much that it would be impractical or excessively expensive to implement."
[00:17:48] a1fa: not bad
[00:18:06] portahex: CCFL_Man2, look at it this way – mpeg2 HD has 6 times the res of dvd, and only 2 times the bitrate
[00:18:10] clever: 264 tends to use much more cpu power on my systems
[00:18:19] visit0r: a1fa: ouch (the dick ripping off comment)
[00:18:28] iamlindoro_: yup, the tradeoff is that it's substantially more processor intensive.
[00:18:36] code-rr: CCFL_Man2: any idea whats going on with the board
[00:18:41] Aval0n: iamlindoro: there was a guy in here yesterday that said his mythfrontend was running at a priority lvl of 15, and it was causing issues. Mine is doing the same thing. Will renice'ing it to 0 correct that?
[00:18:42] tanner: iamlindoro_ would a powerful server be required to render hd content?
[00:18:51] Aval0n: even when I renice.. It still says PR15 in top
[00:18:57] CCFL_Man2: code-rr: what bird are you receiving?
[00:19:03] iamlindoro_: tanner: MPEG-2 or H.264?
[00:19:11] tanner: iamlindoro_: either or
[00:19:13] clever: Aval0n: PR and NI are 2 diff columns
[00:19:27] Aval0n: ahh
[00:19:29] clever: Aval0n: i have a job with a NI of 19 and a PR of 39
[00:19:32] iamlindoro_: tanner: You can get away with a decent P4 for most MPEG-2... you want a decent dual core processor at least for 1080 H.264.
[00:19:38] clever: and mythfrontend is NI 0 and PR 15
[00:19:45] Aval0n: how do I adjust the PR
[00:19:52] Aval0n: do I need to
[00:20:00] clever: shure you dont want to just see the NIce?
[00:20:04] iamlindoro_: tanner: I have run high-bitrate 1080p on my 2.2 Ghz Core 2 Duo, with the occasional skipped frame.
[00:20:05] tanner: iamlindoro_ well i was considering building a quad core media server
[00:20:09] Aval0n: maybe
[00:20:14] Aval0n: I'm not sure
[00:20:17] clever: Aval0n: hit f in top to edit what fields show
[00:20:19] Aval0n: just want it where it should be
[00:20:26] clever: and W can be used to save the config to .toprc
[00:20:30] iamlindoro_: tanner: Quad core will be more than enough, plays all by HD-DVD + Blu-ray rips perfectly... not like that low-bitrate crap most people download
[00:20:38] Aval0n: clever: thank you
[00:20:42] clever: :)
[00:20:54] Aval0n: iamlindoro: most people as he points to me :P
[00:21:00] iamlindoro_: Aval0n: sorry, yeah, listen to clever... pri of 15 is pretty normal for user processes, I believe
[00:21:02] tanner: quad core with 8GB of ram.. though itll be running a few other servers along side it :)
[00:21:13] iamlindoro_: Aval0n: Not naming names ;)
[00:21:15] Aval0n: haha
[00:21:27] Aval0n: I tell you what though man
[00:21:34] Aval0n: that x264 transformers rip looks amazing
[00:22:01] iamlindoro_: tanner: My quad has 4 GB of RAM and runs pretty much everything in the house while still recording up to three things at once and playing a 1080p rip, so yeah, that should be more than enough.
[00:22:11] code-rr: CCFL_Man2: any idea whats going on with this nova-s
[00:22:28] tanner: iamlindoro_: sounds good.. now if i can just figure out how to set it up.. i was hoping to use something like Xen.. any suggestions?
[00:22:30] CCFL_Man2: code-rr: what bird are you poinbted at?
[00:22:40] a1fa: 18:22:36 up 49 min, 3 users, load average: 1.53, 1.44, 1.37
[00:22:42] a1fa: lol
[00:22:42] iamlindoro_: tanner: I wrote that page Tanthrix gave you on ripping HD Media... Although I will admit, much as it is sacrilege in here, that I prefer to rip the stuff on Windows with AnyDVD HD
[00:22:43] clever: iamlindoro_: my 1.6ghz single core is able to record a pvr150 while playing mpeg2 and streaming 5 things out the lan
[00:22:49] a1fa: its taking forever to compile mythtv
[00:22:53] a1fa: ~25min or so
[00:22:57] code-rr: CCFL_Man2: right now im testing it with the express vu satalite i have.
[00:23:07] CCFL_Man2: code-rr: hax0r!
[00:23:08] a1fa: 3200+
[00:23:15] clever: iamlindoro_: ive only got 1 pvr card and the ivtv drivers kill the bttv so i cant test 2 cards going at once
[00:23:16] code-rr: CCFL_Man2: umm no
[00:23:18] Aval0n: you guys hear about heath ledger?
[00:23:22] code-rr: CCFL_Man2: got a sub :)
[00:23:24] tanner: Aval0n: yeah.. OD
[00:23:24] a1fa: ya
[00:23:24] Aval0n: crazy stuff huh
[00:23:26] a1fa: old news
[00:23:28] a1fa: not really
[00:23:34] a1fa: he snorted too much coke
[00:23:35] Aval0n: 3 hours is old?
[00:23:40] Aval0n: no
[00:23:43] a1fa: ya
[00:23:45] Aval0n: he od'd on sleeping pills
[00:23:50] a1fa: same diff
[00:23:50] CCFL_Man2: code-rr: to a channel scan
[00:23:52] code-rr: CCFL_Man2: and the info channel is boaardcast clear .. great for testing
[00:23:54] CCFL_Man2: do
[00:23:54] iamlindoro_: tanner: I wouldn't virtualize anything I wanted to play back 1080p H.264, personally
[00:24:08] code-rr: CCFL_Man2: reutns nothing
[00:24:11] CCFL_Man2: channel scan and see if it works
[00:24:11] tanner: iamlindoro_ i suppose thats not unreasonable.. i dont imagine i'd have any trouble running a WinXP on the server ripping the content to a NFS share (raid 5 on host machine)
[00:24:14] Aval0n: he _JUST_ finished Batman Dark Knight too
[00:24:15] Aval0n: shame
[00:24:18] CCFL_Man2: hmm..
[00:24:27] code-rr: CCFL_Man2: and my buddy did this test with his nova and he picks up the info channel
[00:24:27] CCFL_Man2: you sure your LO is set right?
[00:24:37] tanner: iamlindoro_ why is that?
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[00:25:02] code-rr: code-er: just trying oto figure out what thos nubmer mean,
[00:25:16] iamlindoro_: tanner: Well, you'll see that even on the best system, 1080p playback (at full bitrate anyway) is extremely resource intensive... I wouldn't want to give anything up to XEN
[00:25:18] CCFL_Man2: they are hex
[00:25:23] iamlindoro_: tanner: But do as you like
[00:25:25] Tanthrix: a1fa: In reference to your earliar comments, you have a bit of a misunderstanding about what resolution is. You are correct that your TV will scale anything to 1080p (assuming it's a 1080p set,) but unless you're outputting 1080p, you're not going to get the detail.
[00:25:32] iamlindoro_: Anyway, I gotta go running, back later
[00:25:36] Aval0n: later
[00:25:54] tanner: iamlindoro_, i understand what you're saying. i just dont feel comfortable leaving the host machine running a setup with mythtv as primary :-\
[00:25:56] a1fa: Tanthrix : thanks for the info
[00:26:02] tanner: iamlindoro_ take care
[00:26:24] Tanthrix: a1fa: Unlike what you see on CSI, resolution is finite. You can't magically turn a tiny little 640x480 video stream into 1080p. (So no blowing up the reflection of somebody off of sunglasses from security camera footage) ;)
[00:26:35] a1fa: i know
[00:26:44] tanner: Tanthrix: lol.. i hate when i see that on TV
[00:26:47] a1fa: which reminds me.. i spent $300 on AM2 cpu and mobo and memory today
[00:26:53] Tanthrix: But, things can get a bit more complicated, even if you're not playing back HD footage.
[00:26:57] a1fa: i should've bought a box for zoneminder
[00:26:59] Tanthrix: It all depends on how good your TV is at scaling.
[00:27:03] Aval0n: oh that reminds me, last night I ripped my dragon wars DVD to my HD. But when I play it with the internal player. It comes up and I get to the point where I can choose widescreen/fullscreen from the DVD menu, but when I select either.. it dumps back to the video browser screen
[00:27:06] Aval0n: anyone seen that before?
[00:27:08] a1fa: not racist or anything, but my neighbors scare me
[00:27:25] portahex: a1fa, why am2?
[00:27:25] a1fa: ;)
[00:27:25] Aval0n: a1fa yeah, thos damned white folks are scary :)
[00:27:26] Tanthrix: Sometimes it's better to output at 480i and let the tv scale and deinterlace, while other times it's better to output at a higher resolution and let myth do the scaling.
[00:27:30] a1fa: i need to keep an eye on tham
[00:27:37] a1fa: Aval0n : in deed
[00:27:40] CCFL_Man2: code-rr: your LO need to be correct, i thinbk szap uses a LO of 10000MHz, you should use either 10750 or 11250MHz
[00:27:47] a1fa: portahex : why not AM2?
[00:27:49] a1fa: its cheap
[00:27:56] a1fa: $109 for 5200+ cpu, and mobo
[00:28:03] portahex: a1fa, core2's much faster, mainly
[00:28:13] a1fa: i hope i get a nice check back from the gov this year
[00:28:21] a1fa: i need to pay of big credit card ;P
[00:28:23] Aval0n: 5200+ faster than 6300 core 2 duo
[00:28:30] CCFL_Man2: i need a chassis for my component to s-video converter
[00:28:40] Aval0n: at least the benchmarks at tomsharwdare shows
[00:28:41] a1fa: portahex : i am amd guy
[00:28:53] a1fa: just because i am amd guy :P
[00:29:01] CCFL_Man2: i am an intel guy
[00:29:08] tanner: as am i
[00:29:16] Aval0n: I love AMD too but the core2duo spanks anything they currently have
[00:29:22] a1fa: heh
[00:29:29] a1fa: well i spent $109 for am2, so its am2
[00:29:37] Aval0n: they stop trying to compete with everything intel throws out
[00:29:50] a1fa: next step is some cameras for my house
[00:29:51] portahex: Aval0n, sure, it takes them an extra 700mhz to get that gap of course
[00:30:11] a1fa: GSD, .40 glock, are not enough
[00:30:27] a1fa: s/D, /D+/
[00:30:39] Aval0n: portahex: was just talking about speed for price
[00:30:40] a1fa: i need to give my gsd rabbies :)
[00:30:51] Aval0n: can you get a 6300 chip and board for 109>?
[00:30:54] Aval0n: methinks not
[00:31:18] portahex: Aval0n, can't say i've looked, though i understand price is amd's only competing point right now
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[00:31:52] Aval0n: that's always been AMD's angle
[00:32:07] Aval0n: same/faster speed.. cheaper price
[00:32:18] a1fa: why the hell does it take 30 min to compile mythtv :?
[00:32:26] Aval0n: lots of .c's
[00:32:27] Aval0n: :P
[00:32:35] Aval0n: takes me about 15
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[00:32:41] Aval0n: <Shrug>
[00:32:41] a1fa: 3200+, 2.8gb ram
[00:32:55] a1fa: Aval0n : what cpu?
[00:33:00] portahex: takes about 15 on my office pcs, which are all intel
[00:33:02] Aval0n: I wonder how much more my mythtv boxen would benifit from another gb of ram
[00:33:07] Aval0n: p4 3.4ghz HT
[00:33:12] jduggan: its not like its helloworld.c
[00:33:15] a1fa: ;)
[00:33:20] jduggan: pretty big chunk of code..
[00:33:20] a1fa: jduggan : damn right it is
[00:33:27] Aval0n: I currently run 1gb
[00:33:29] a1fa: windows compiled in 20min for bill gays
[00:33:35] Aval0n: I wonder if another gig would be a huge difference
[00:33:43] jduggan: a1fa: on a hugeass cluster, sure ;)
[00:33:43] a1fa: while he was having another brokeback mtn episode
[00:33:44] Tanthrix: Doubtful.
[00:33:54] code-rr: CCFL_Man2: im using -l DBS so that shoulndt be a problem
[00:33:55] a1fa: haha.. :P
[00:33:56] Torr: am I supposed to blacklist cx88-blackbird cx8800 cx88-dvb in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, and then add cx88-dvb to /etc/modules ???
[00:34:00] Aval0n: too soon for the brokeback references
[00:34:01] Aval0n: :P
[00:34:02] a1fa: i need to enable distcc
[00:34:05] a1fa: that may help
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[00:34:45] jduggan: Torr: what distro?
[00:34:49] Torr: mythbuntu
[00:35:13] Aval0n: anyone here think my myth box would benefit from another gb of ram? I currenlty run a p4 3.4ghz HT and 1gb
[00:35:20] CCFL_Man2: code-rr: but dbs in europe is different than dbs in us and canada
[00:35:26] Aval0n: !seen |torg|
[00:35:26] MythLogBot: |torg| was last seen 15 days 20 minutes 13 seconds ago
[00:35:30] Aval0n: damn
[00:35:48] a1fa: Aval0n
[00:35:50] a1fa: probably not
[00:36:05] a1fa: damn
[00:36:09] a1fa: finally in mythbackend section
[00:36:09] Torr: i'm trying to get pchdtv 5500 to work with pvr-250 on same machine
[00:36:21] jduggan: Torr: create /etc/modprobe.d/MODULENAME (where MODULENAME is the name of the module) add a line "blacklist MODULENAME", then run depmod -ae; update-initramfs -u
[00:36:40] Torr: OH! I didn't think of update-initramfs
[00:36:43] Torr: thanks
[00:36:56] a1fa: debian and update f$#$ scripts
[00:36:58] tanner: is pchdtv a good.. recommended card? i was thinking of getting two
[00:37:07] a1fa: no
[00:37:13] Torr: I like it, but I'm not convinced its the best
[00:37:18] a1fa: tanner : why dont you get those network hdtv tuners
[00:37:21] a1fa: they look cool
[00:37:38] tanner: a1fa: ?
[00:38:06] CCFL_Man2: newegg has avermedia A180 hdtv tuners
[00:38:11] CCFL_Man2: on sale
[00:38:14] CCFL_Man2: grab em up
[00:38:17] a1fa: whats the name of those network tuners
[00:38:24] a1fa: they are hdtv..
[00:38:50] Lynet: Anyone know what's up with vlc stuttering (lots of "clock gap" messages) when playing back an mpeg2 produced by a pvr-500?
[00:39:21] jduggan: Lynet: have you tested with mplayer etc?
[00:40:21] Lynet: Not yet. One sec.
[00:40:39] tanner: CCFL_Man2: would the A180 be better than the HD5500?
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[00:40:50] jduggan: could be the player rather than the video :)
[00:41:24] Lynet: windows mpc won't play back, at least.
[00:41:47] CCFL_Man2: tanner: i don't really think so
[00:42:04] tanner: CCFL_Man2: what would be the best card for hdtv capture?
[00:43:01] CCFL_Man2: if you want qam, go for the avermedia A180
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[00:43:30] tanner: as opposed to the hd5500?
[00:46:12] CCFL_Man2: from what i gather they should perform the samew
[00:46:15] kdubya: if you want qam get whatever is cheap
[00:46:27] kdubya: fry's had a card for $30 this weekend
[00:46:34] kdubya: the quality is the same with all of them
[00:46:46] CCFL_Man2: kdubya: need linuctv support though
[00:47:03] kdubya: most of the ones that are really cheap have drivers
[00:47:08] Lynet: jduggan: mplayer seems fine, must be vlc's demuxer.
[00:47:54] tanner: i'd just like the most hasslefree ones..
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[00:48:44] kdubya: kworld 110 or 115 is what i use
[00:48:49] kdubya: there was no hassle
[00:49:51] iamlindoro_: HDHomeRun, a1fa
[00:50:26] tanner: kdubya: and they will pick up all the qam stuff? including hd?
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[00:50:46] jduggan: so im quite limited to where i can get feeds into my tuners from (lounge only), waf on clunkin hd's isnt so great, so im thinking about having my backend record its content to an NFS mounted disk in another room, its all SD content, can anyone see a problem with this? (2 tuners, possibly a third sometime soon)
[00:50:47] kdubya: most likely you will only get your local HD channels over qam
[00:50:54] kdubya: and nothing in standard def, at all
[00:51:00] kdubya: it is all encrypted
[00:51:23] tanner: yeah, i get like 3 hd channels but thats fine.
[00:52:01] iamlindoro_: tanner, what's your zip?
[00:52:31] tanner: iamlindoro_ 98665
[00:52:42] iamlindoro_: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui . . . stcode=98665
[00:52:52] iamlindoro_: you can see what you'd get via OTA and QAM there
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[00:53:22] iamlindoro_: Looks like network TV + about 20 randoms
[00:54:04] iamlindoro_: But even SD stuff via digital tuning looks so much better than analog capture, it's worth it to have in your system
[00:54:42] tanner: iamlindoro_ with an antenna perhaps? i tried hooking up an antenna (hd) and i barely got 6 channels.. mostly crappy quality.. no hd. perhaps an amplifier would work? however.. i get a bunch of channels through comcast for free :-\
[00:54:43] Lynet: jduggan: As long as the network is fast enough, I don't see an issue.
[00:54:59] jduggan: Lynet: 100mbit should be fine?
[00:55:14] iamlindoro_: tanner, yeah, an amp might help, just trying to show you what you could get via either with any of the cards people have mentioned
[00:55:29] tanner: iamlindoro_ any in particular you recommend?
[00:55:31] iamlindoro_: That page shows OTA stuff first, then scroll down and you will see what you can get via QAM from Comcast
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[00:55:53] iamlindoro_: tanner: Every card people have mentioned I have used, and to be honest, I've found that once they're set up, they *all* work the same
[00:56:17] iamlindoro_: tanner: I happen to have two HD 5500s and a A180 right now, but the Kworlds work great, and so does the HDHomeRun
[00:56:50] iamlindoro_: Get what's inexpensive, and the least pain in the butt... but all of what has been mentioned is pretty darn easy to set up.
[00:57:02] tanner: i wish at least one was a pci express card.. the mobo i get only has 2 pci cards.. which ill probably use for tuners
[00:57:02] Lynet: jduggan: Unless you're doing raw framegrabs that should be no problem.
[00:57:16] iamlindoro_: tanner: Then you might look at the HDHomeRun
[00:57:29] jduggan: nah, its all hardware
[00:57:32] iamlindoro_: tanner: And you wouldn't even need to take up a slot... It's a network device, dual HD tuner, and it's an IR Receiver.
[00:57:36] ** CCFL_Man2 goes through his old floppies ... ahh the memories **
[00:59:21] tanner: iamlindoro_: you hook it into the network.. and have the backend record from there?
[00:59:36] iamlindoro_: tanner: Yep, the backend and the HDHomeRun communicate via the network
[01:00:17] tanner: hmm
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[01:00:32] iamlindoro_: tanner: One other thing to note is this:
[01:01:13] iamlindoro_: tanner: I get far less via QAM than you do... but (I also have Comcast) I get 99% of my channels via firewire, in perfect digital streams. Now, that's *extremely* rare, but it does happen... Most people get little or nothing via firewire.
[01:01:34] iamlindoro_: tanner: But if you can get it that way, there is no better way to receive your TV. Might be worth looking in to
[01:01:51] tanner: iamlindoro_ what do you mean via firewire?
[01:02:00] a1fa: U libs/libmyth/libmyth.pro
[01:02:00] a1fa: Updated to revision 15545.
[01:02:01] a1fa: lol
[01:02:04] a1fa: this file just got upgraded
[01:02:07] a1fa: damn it
[01:02:10] a1fa: i just finished compiling
[01:02:40] iamlindoro_: tanner: My Set Top Box (A Motorola DCH-3200) has firewire outs. The FCC states that US cable operators must provide a STB with working firewire upond request, and must provide at least local netowrk TV in the clear via that port.
[01:03:14] a1fa: hey can i use firefox as browser even if mythbrowser is not compiled?
[01:03:15] iamlindoro_: Myth will record a perfect digital stream via firewire port for any unencrypted channel... and my box puts them all out via firewire.
[01:03:16] tanner: ah.. i'm afraid i dont have a set top box.. just a wall outlet
[01:03:41] CCFL_Man2: tanner: you gotta bitch to cumschat aboot it
[01:03:42] iamlindoro_: tanner: Ah well... might be worth paying the STB rental if it's remotely possible... otherwise, yeah, look into the HDHomeRun or what other people have suggested.
[01:04:10] iamlindoro_: anyway, off to de-stink
[01:04:15] a1fa: destink?
[01:04:21] iamlindoro_: came back from a run
[01:04:23] a1fa: blasphemy
[01:04:24] a1fa: :P
[01:04:30] a1fa: run? where @?
[01:04:32] a1fa: state?
[01:04:32] tanner: lol.. alright
[01:05:04] iamlindoro_: a1fa: California, in the rain.  :)
[01:05:30] tanner: CCFL_Man2: the problem is... i only pay for broadband from them.. the tv stuff seems to be a...bonus
[01:05:33] a1fa: crazy man
[01:06:00] CCFL_Man2: you're gonna have to pay
[01:06:28] a1fa: tanner : u pirate!
[01:06:44] tanner: its not my fault they aimlessly stream free content to my place =)
[01:07:01] a1fa: nice
[01:07:03] a1fa: what kind?
[01:07:11] a1fa: you get pr0n?
[01:07:14] tanner: i get 117 channels of all kinds of stuff
[01:07:14] tanner: nah
[01:07:21] a1fa: what? call and complain
[01:07:25] kdubya: haha
[01:07:26] CCFL_Man2: your best bet is to get a qam/atsc tuner and see if they give you digital channels
[01:07:26] tanner: i can see what people are watching on demand though..
[01:07:40] a1fa: hahaha
[01:07:43] a1fa: analog crap?
[01:07:46] kdubya: does your TV have a qam tuner?
[01:07:47] tanner: CCFL_Man2: my lcd tv has an hdtv tuner :)
[01:07:51] tanner: yes
[01:07:52] kdubya: plug the tv in and see what you get
[01:07:56] tanner: i did
[01:07:59] kdubya: its the same as what you will get with the card
[01:08:00] a1fa: everyone can get that dude
[01:08:02] tanner: 117 channels
[01:08:10] a1fa: on analog
[01:08:18] tanner: not all are analog
[01:08:26] kdubya: if you are not paying for cable
[01:08:31] a1fa: someone forgot to cap you off
[01:08:32] kdubya: i would bet that none of the are analog
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[01:09:13] tanner: yeah.. they forgot
[01:09:15] tanner: and im not complaining
[01:09:23] tanner: as $60 a month for basic tv is kinda steep..
[01:09:38] kdubya: yeah it is
[01:09:49] kdubya: mine is $86 for cable and internet
[01:10:11] tanner: i would like to get HD content.. but i'd probably pay more and they'd figure out they forgot to cap my line
[01:10:22] a1fa: hehe
[01:10:27] a1fa: anyone play any games on tv?
[01:10:37] kdubya: yeah
[01:10:40] kdubya: we call them video games
[01:10:41] a1fa: through myht
[01:10:44] a1fa: no idiot :P
[01:10:48] a1fa: through mythtv
[01:10:54] a1fa: any of the linux games, etc?
[01:10:55] kdubya: i have mythgame setup
[01:11:04] a1fa: i use xbox for games and emus
[01:11:05] kdubya: and unreal 2k4
[01:11:06] tanner: i dont suppose there is a way to get a comcast box.. without getting it from comcast.. to see if i pickup more with the box
[01:11:13] CCFL_Man2: tanner: you get any digital channels?
[01:11:17] a1fa: tanner : ebay
[01:11:19] kdubya: tanner, no
[01:11:28] tanner: CCFL_Man2: yes like 3 or 4 that i know of
[01:11:32] kdubya: you can buy the same kind of box
[01:11:40] kdubya: but it wont work if it isnt registered with comcast
[01:12:06] tanner: well thats no good..
[01:12:18] kdubya: its the cable company
[01:12:20] kdubya: what do you expect
[01:12:41] a1fa: ... next question.. anyone doing any home automatization?
[01:12:51] kdubya: yeah
[01:12:57] kdubya: my home automatically records TV shows
[01:13:02] a1fa: lol
[01:13:08] a1fa: besides that cpt. obvious
[01:13:39] tanner: lol
[01:13:58] ** a1fa is sitll bitchy at mythphone **
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[01:15:40] tanner: $100 a month + $7 for the hd crap..
[01:15:41] tanner: yeesh
[01:16:20] a1fa: do you need mythbrowser in order to use firefox?
[01:16:43] kdubya: wha?
[01:16:54] a1fa: i want to run firefox as my browser
[01:17:05] a1fa: but i guess you need mythbrowser in order for that option to show up?
[01:17:06] a1fa: no?
[01:17:24] kdubya: i dont know
[01:17:30] kdubya: i just minimize myth and start firefox
[01:17:33] rooaus: a1fa: No, you can add a menu item to EXEC firefox if you want.
[01:17:55] ** tanner will be starting a "pay for my tv" fund.. all those interested in contributing.... **
[01:18:12] kdubya: you have been getting free tv
[01:18:18] kdubya: you should have some saved up
[01:18:21] a1fa: rooaus : any info on that?
[01:18:35] tanner: i'm a poor college student... :) money is unknown to me
[01:18:53] kdubya: youre a poor college student that lives alone?
[01:18:59] tanner: roommate
[01:19:13] kdubya: so its only $53.50/month
[01:19:18] tanner: lol
[01:19:27] rooaus: a1fa: On the wiki, I am looking now. You can also copy some of the xml files into your home dir and modify them there...
[01:19:27] tanner: would you like to donate that amount?
[01:19:39] kdubya: you accept paypal?
[01:19:45] a1fa: tanner : mythtv supports separate video modes for gui and playback
[01:19:49] tanner: certainly.. just not other peoples money =)
[01:19:57] a1fa: so you can run 720p for frontend and 1080p for playback
[01:20:16] tanner: a1fa: nice.. i'll look into it later.. feel free to pm me the link
[01:20:26] kdubya: huh
[01:20:27] a1fa: its in the setup
[01:20:30] a1fa: under appearance
[01:20:38] kdubya: i didnt know you could do that
[01:20:53] kdubya: too bad you cant switch to 1080i for the interlaced stuff
[01:21:01] tanner: meh.. i suppose i should be happy with my mostly non-hd FREE tv for now
[01:21:02] kdubya: and let the TV do it
[01:22:02] a1fa: rooaus : how wil that behave w/o keyboard and stuff?
[01:22:17] a1fa: i need to build mythbrowser
[01:22:23] a1fa: i just wonder what kde libs it needs
[01:23:12] kdubya: im sure thats on the wiki
[01:23:38] rooaus: a1fa: Firefox won't work with remote input, unless you have some plugin for it.
[01:24:12] a1fa: rooaus : right
[01:24:20] a1fa: kdubya : i looked for it.. nada
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[01:24:38] rooaus: a1fa: Mythbrowser needs kdelibs4-dev on a debian box.
[01:25:03] kdubya: just read the wiki article for building it on whatever distro you use
[01:25:10] a1fa: thanks
[01:25:11] kdubya: and grab all the deps it tells you to
[01:26:05] a1fa: thats a shitload of stuff to grab
[01:26:13] tanner: meh.. i hate being sick..
[01:26:18] tanner: bbl
[01:26:25] a1fa: i hate running unstable debian :P
[01:26:57] enhanced: heh
[01:27:13] a1fa: anyone else running svn?
[01:27:22] enhanced: I am building it right now
[01:27:48] enhanced: but on CentOS
[01:27:55] a1fa: lawl
[01:27:57] a1fa: why centos?
[01:28:22] kdubya: a lot of people are using centos now
[01:28:23] enhanced: eh, random choice... mostly because it would be more of a pain on a fbsd box
[01:28:39] a1fa: heh
[01:28:40] a1fa: cool
[01:28:46] kdubya: because there are a lot less updates than fedora
[01:28:47] a1fa: been with debian for years
[01:29:25] portahex: never really seen the attraction to centos and other rhel recompiles
[01:30:00] kdubya: centos has a long support life
[01:30:10] kdubya: i think thats why people use it for myth
[01:30:23] enhanced: yeah, and I HATE ubuntu
[01:30:33] enhanced: I could go pure debian I suppose...but eh
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[01:31:03] a1fa: why hate crapbuntu?
[01:31:28] enhanced: lol
[01:32:01] enhanced: I think it's nifty for the click brigade..but it certainly does not work as advertised...wireless support is and has always been trash etc etc etc...
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[01:32:27] portahex: time for bed.
[01:32:38] kdubya: k, ill be there in a minute
[01:32:43] a1fa: bye
[01:32:43] enhanced: lol
[01:32:50] a1fa: xris
[01:32:51] a1fa: hi
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[01:33:20] daMaestro: anyone having issues with ffmpeg shitting out when trying to run nuvexport?
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[01:33:53] daMaestro: http://dpaste.com/32084/
[01:35:34] xris: daMaestro: might want to try following the instructions that nuvexport is giving you
[01:36:01] daMaestro: xris, how do you mean?
[01:36:12] xris: --debug
[01:36:14] ** daMaestro notes: nuvexport-0.4–0.20070804.svn mythtv-backend-0.20.2–171.fc8 ffmpeg-0.4.9–25_r11517.fc8 **
[01:36:24] daMaestro: oh.. ok, well i'll try a manual encode then
[01:36:30] xris: you could also upgrade nuvexport to something recent
[01:36:37] a1fa: hey xris
[01:36:44] a1fa: 2008-01–22 19:36:37.745 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!
[01:36:45] a1fa: lol
[01:38:59] daMaestro: xris, http://dpaste.com/32085/
[01:39:07] daMaestro: xris, so.. now i just need to step through what it would have done?
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[01:40:09] xris: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport#Debug_Mode
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[01:43:08] daMaestro: ah, so something went wonky with ffmpeg on the last update: http://dpaste.com/32086/ : Unknown encoder 'xvid'
[01:43:12] a1fa: firefox cant do fullscreen
[01:43:12] a1fa: wtf
[01:43:29] jduggan: can someone take a look at this xrandr output? http://sigkill.noffle.net/~jduggan/xrandr.txt <- is that doing 1080i to my TV ?
[01:43:44] daMaestro: a1fa, f11
[01:44:49] jduggan: nvidia-settings is telling me its doing 1920x1080 – this tv doesnt do 1080p, only 1080i, does that mean im @ 1080i (@ 50hz) ?
[01:44:58] daMaestro: xris, so it seems something is wrong with the ffmpeg build?
[01:45:04] a1fa: f11?
[01:45:06] a1fa: wha?
[01:45:29] Lynet: a1fa: F11. Keyboard shortcut to make firefox go full-screen.
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[01:45:33] tzanger: xris: around?
[01:45:36] xris: daMaestro: or ffmpeg changed their CLI options (which they did) and you're using an ancient version of nuvexport.
[01:45:49] tzanger: xris: wondering if there's a simple way to get mythweb to remember (or default to) sorting by title
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[01:46:10] tzanger: I'm scanning through the source but aside from trying to figure out why session crap isn't owrking, it doesn't look straightforward
[01:46:10] daMaestro: ah, this is good news, xris, i'll just update the nuvexport and send off a build request. thanks.
[01:46:18] xris: tzanger: yeah. fix your cookies, or use htauth
[01:46:28] a1fa: heh
[01:46:36] tzanger: using konqueror, it doesn't seem to like the ones coming from mythweb
[01:47:30] tzanger: I'm looking that the cookies, and the only one I see is mythweb_id
[01:47:43] xris: tzanger: yup. and for some reason your browser is tossing that out when you quit
[01:47:52] xris: you access mythweb by name or ip?
[01:47:55] tzanger: no that sticks around
[01:47:56] tzanger: by ip
[01:48:46] a1fa: i cant get firefox to replace mythbrowser
[01:49:00] xris: should work. dunno. mythweb just needs that session id to access the stored session info in the db.
[01:49:08] tzanger: hmm
[01:49:11] xris: you could turn on auth, which makes mythweb use the auth login name instead of a session id.
[01:49:30] tzanger: the same thing happens with upcoming recordings; it never remembers that I don't want dupes or deactived entries
[01:49:35] tzanger: I'll have to play with it a little
[01:50:53] tzanger: interesting
[01:50:58] tzanger: mythweb_sessions exists in mythconverg
[01:51:07] tzanger: but selct * from mythweb_sessions says the table doesn't exist
[01:51:56] daMaestro: xris, thanks: http://bugzilla.atrpms.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1361 .. i'm going to test if udating fixes the issue now
[01:52:02] daMaestro: updating*
[01:52:43] xris: odd. axel's usually pretty good about grabbing updates from me.
[01:53:27] daMaestro: yeah, but at least you helped, then i could poke him with details ;-)
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[02:01:40] CCFL_Man2: simon shattered some dreams
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[02:11:11] xanderp: ok, trying to use this docuement, but it's a bit out of date... I don't have the parts of the lircd file to edit they describe and I can't figure out what to do... help please! http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Volume_K . . . nfig.2Flircd
[02:11:14] a1fa: helloooooooooo
[02:11:17] a1fa: ;P
[02:11:26] a1fa: i cant get the damn mythbrowser to startup firefox
[02:12:04] xanderp: on ubuntu i don't even have an /etc/init.d/lircd I have an /etc/init.d/lirc and it's syntax is wildly different.
[02:12:18] a1fa: firefox is complaining about syntax
[02:12:24] jduggan: has mythdvd been included as part of mythvideo?
[02:13:29] a1fa: damn ittttttt
[02:15:13] a1fa: anyone else using firefox as a browser?
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[02:15:25] a1fa: under mythbrowser?
[02:15:27] xanderp: anyone seen up to date documentation that would apply to ubuntu for getting the antec fusion knob and vfd working? the link i posted above is apparently for an older roll of lirc.
[02:16:25] a1fa: 2008-01–22 20:16:13.889 MythPlugin::init() dlerror: /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/liblibmytivo.so: cannot open shared object ...
[02:16:27] a1fa: wtf
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[02:19:49] a1fa: These instructions dont work http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firefox
[02:19:54] a1fa: anyone had luck with these?
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[02:22:52] psm321: how do i build w/ debug symbols? (want to try and track down a reproducible segfault)
[02:23:32] a1fa: strace
[02:24:29] a1fa: blah this is so annoying
[02:25:03] Anduin: psm321: look at the build-type option
[02:25:03] jams: psm321 http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2
[02:25:41] Anduin: compile-type
[02:25:57] a1fa: i figured out what the problem is
[02:26:02] a1fa: its passing -x
[02:26:04] a1fa: how stupid
[02:26:44] a1fa: its passing -x 0 -y 0
[02:26:45] psm321: gracias
[02:26:51] a1fa: why the fuck is it doing that?
[02:27:07] enhanced: lol
[02:27:54] a1fa: am i fucking something up or what?
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[02:29:13] a1fa: These instructions dont work http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firefox
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[02:30:01] a1fa: its passing bunch of options to mythbrowser command -x 0 -w 0 12 2 2 -fullscreen --fullscreen1 ...
[02:30:03] a1fa: wtf
[02:30:10] Anduin: Very few actually use MythBrowser
[02:30:33] kdubya: i dont see the point of it
[02:30:37] kdubya: use firefox
[02:31:00] a1fa: i am trying to use firefox
[02:31:59] squish102: any1 run HR.HDTV from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Steveadeff ?
[02:31:59] jduggan: does firefox allow you to configure resolution for fullscreen?, like you can alter myth when you got overscan problems etc
[02:32:35] squish102: i have a problem when running the script. http://www.pastebin.ca/869274
[02:32:35] enhanced: hrm
[02:32:45] enhanced: how do I setup the VideoStartupDir for the Upnp
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[02:33:23] enhanced: where is that value
[02:33:26] a1fa: how can i execute a command from mythtv?
[02:33:31] a1fa: through theme?
[02:33:35] a1fa: info_menu.xml
[02:33:45] a1fa: what is the action that needs to be set?
[02:33:49] Anduin: enhanced: in the Myth
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[02:33:57] Anduin: Video setup screens
[02:34:03] enhanced: Anduin: hrm..ok
[02:34:05] daMaestro: xris, lol.. and it seems nuvexport is not from atrpms
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[02:34:13] enhanced: in the mythtv-setup
[02:34:14] enhanced: ok
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[02:34:25] Anduin: enhanced: No, in mythfrontend
[02:34:25] ** daMaestro changes bug request from update to "provide" d:) **
[02:34:29] enhanced: oh
[02:34:40] enhanced: heh, I don't have that running...gotta go set that up..thx man!
[02:34:50] enhanced: brb, it's downstairs
[02:35:56] a1fa: how can <action> be execute firefox?
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[02:36:24] Anduin: a1fa: There are examples
[02:38:10] daMaestro: xris, and yes, updating nuvexport fixes the issue i was seeing
[02:38:29] xris: I know. I committed the fix in the last week or two.  :)
[02:40:33] jesse: hey guys
[02:41:20] jesse: i just got my 27" olivia (1366x768 native) I'm running it on 1360x768 and it looks great
[02:41:49] jesse: the tv only cost me 370
[02:41:55] jesse: + 25 shipping
[02:42:12] Anduin: too many euros
[02:42:46] jesse: USD
[02:42:57] a1fa: Anduin : i cant find any
[02:43:22] a1fa: EXEC
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[02:44:20] jesse: is there a way to open MS office 07 files in open office?
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[02:46:05] Anduin: a1fa: That is it
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[02:46:46] xanderp: i'm trying to follow some documentation that appears to be out of date, but all I can find and it wants me to edit an /etc/sysconfig/lircd and an /etc/init.d/lircd file. Are these outdated docs, or just for a different distro?
[02:47:19] xanderp: I don't have /etc/sysconfig (maybe because I'm on umbuntu?)
[02:47:52] a1fa: lol
[02:47:54] a1fa: focus issues now
[02:47:57] a1fa: how sad
[02:48:00] Anduin: xanderp: Not outdated, RH would be like that for example
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[02:48:14] xanderp: do you know the equivalent files for umbuntu?
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[02:48:38] fryfrog: xanderp: go find a guide for ubuntu, following one for another distro is retarded.
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[02:48:44] bassboi: :|
[02:48:45] fryfrog: there is good info for lirc + ubuntu
[02:48:56] bassboi: started stringing cat5 through my walls today
[02:48:59] xanderp: fryfrog: i can't seem to find one for this case... the antec fusion
[02:50:11] fryfrog: so use the ubuntu lirc docs and then apply the antec specific stuff
[02:50:22] xanderp: one of the problems is that the lirc0 and lirc1 keep swapping places, and I need to lircd start BOTH of them... I have good docs that work for fedora, but can't locate them for umbuntu. I'd like to stay with this mythbuntu because the frontend runs so much faster, and they have built alot of nice applets to admin myth in it.
[02:50:23] fryfrog: i imagine it is just a different driver or something?
[02:51:19] xanderp: i may have borked up the install 'tweaking' various different .conf files already and need to start over. :(
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[02:52:40] xanderp: I think i will start documenting my tweaks 'changelog' style to help me 'unbork' my errors in the future.
[02:53:00] enhanced: xanderp: svn
[02:53:14] xanderp: enhanced: ?
[02:53:21] enhanced: use svn
[02:53:32] clever: xanderp: im mod probing lirc_serial and lirc_i2c manualy in rc.local
[02:53:33] xanderp: will have to learn how first! :)
[02:53:47] clever: xanderp: by doing it manualy in a certain order i can control which one gets 0 and 1
[02:53:54] clever: and then i manualy fire up 2 lircd's
[02:54:05] xanderp: clever: you have the vfd/knob case?
[02:54:17] clever: you can probly just tweak my method some
[02:54:33] a1fa: how do you disable that stupid bar in fluxbox?
[02:55:02] Seeker`: xanderp: what remote?
[02:55:09] clever: xanderp: http://pastebin.ca/869325 is part of my rc.local
[02:55:14] xanderp: I was successful in aliasing the 2 devices as lirc_imon and lirc_atiusb, just don't know how to do what's next to get them to work. (snapstream firefly)
[02:55:18] clever: the /dev/lircd is for the reciever on i2c
[02:55:27] clever: and the /dev/lircd2 is the blaster on serial
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[02:56:23] clever: there is some way to tie all the lircd's into a single socket
[02:56:35] clever: but i was too lazy to dig it up and this method works for me
[02:57:06] xanderp: what's the rc.local lines look like for you?
[02:57:50] clever: its on the pastebin link above
[02:57:54] clever: http://pastebin.ca/869325
[02:58:04] xanderp: sorry, missed that
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[02:58:45] clever: its a bit mixed up
[02:58:49] clever: lirc0 goes to lircd2
[02:58:53] clever: and lirc1 is lircd
[02:58:56] xanderp: I think i can substitute /dev/lirc_imon and /dev/lirc_atiusb into what you have...
[02:59:02] clever: yeah
[02:59:20] clever: im forcing the lircd's to certain device's and sockets
[02:59:34] clever: the only part im not in total control of is the device node to the module
[02:59:37] xanderp: are you using that in /etc/rc.local, or to /etc/init.d/rc.local ?
[02:59:44] clever: /etc/rc.local
[02:59:47] xanderp: kewl
[02:59:50] xanderp: will try
[03:00:19] clever: and /etc/init.d/rc.local will just run /etc/rc.local when ran in a certain way
[03:01:58] xanderp: what's this part: -o /dev/lircd2
[03:02:08] clever: its normaly ran only on boot but depending on its contents you might be able to run it manualy afterwards to test the changes
[03:02:10] clever: that sets what unix socket it listens on
[03:02:11] daMaestro: xris, hmm strange. it failed again on the second pass
[03:02:16] xanderp: hmmm
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[03:02:23] clever: which is where the client program has to go
[03:02:43] clever: i havent figured out how to change mythfrontend away from /dev/lircd so i just made /dev/lircd my receiver
[03:03:07] xanderp: for the knob?
[03:03:09] clever: and i tweaked my ir blaster script to -d /dev/lircd2 so it can blast without problems
[03:03:17] clever: knob?
[03:03:40] xanderp: oh, i have a knob... looks like an atiusb device...
[03:03:46] xanderp: (volume)
[03:03:48] a1fa: hehe
[03:03:51] a1fa: got it finally
[03:03:51] clever: ah
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[03:04:08] edman007: hi, i just switched the source of a tuner and now when i view the search lists and stuff it shows stuff from both sources so channels that are on both sources show twice, how can i fix this?
[03:04:21] clever: i was going to get a usb ir receiver but dad hinted to not get myself stuff before xmas
[03:04:26] clever: and i got a whole pvr 150!
[03:04:40] xanderp: i think i need to set to /dev/lircd and /dev/lircd1
[03:04:50] clever: yeah that works
[03:04:53] clever: can be anything realy
[03:05:16] a1fa: xris : whats the bennefit of running 1080i frontend?
[03:05:18] clever: the receiver mythfrontend should listen to will probly need to be /dev/lircd
[03:05:41] xanderp: what's that part about the -P /var/run/lircd2.pid do?
[03:05:41] xris: a1fa: no clue
[03:05:44] xris: high res?
[03:05:48] a1fa: ya
[03:06:09] a1fa: i had to finally start fluxbox in order to get firefox to focus
[03:07:00] clever: xanderp: if lircd see's the other one in its default pid file it refuses to start
[03:07:08] clever: xanderp: so i force it to use a diff pid file
[03:07:09] xanderp: ahh
[03:07:10] daMaestro: xris, is it a known issue that multipass is not working?
[03:07:14] clever: xanderp: its all explained in the man page!
[03:07:32] ** xanderp needs to read... sorry **
[03:07:39] a1fa: now if i could only get my wireless mouse to work
[03:07:55] squish102: in bash how do i strip any blank spaces. in the HR.HDTV script it has this line "aspect=`echo "$aspect" | tr -s [:digit:]`" but it returns "1.78<space>"
[03:08:20] clever: squish102: #bash might be able to better help
[03:08:54] squish102: it is a myth script so i was hoping someone would have encountered it, but i'll try #bash
[03:08:55] xris: daMaestro: works fine for me. ffmpeg probably changed some cli option again. they do it every few weeks without telling anyone. I don't know what to change in nuvexport until someone reports the issue
[03:08:59] iamlindoro_: sed 's/ //'
[03:09:19] squish102: thanks iamlindoro_
[03:09:36] squish102: would i pipe that at the end?
[03:09:41] iamlindoro_: ie, aspect=`echo "$aspect" | tr -s [:digit:] | sed 's/ ///'`
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[03:10:21] clever: odd
[03:10:28] clever: mythfilldb seems to be running a 2nd time today
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[03:10:57] xanderp: clever: thanks... that's got the knob and the vfd working, now I just need to fix the remote and I'm in business!
[03:11:00] iamlindoro_: squish102: sorry, one too many slashes in my last
[03:11:05] clever: :)
[03:11:10] iamlindoro_: aspect=`echo "$aspect" | tr -s [:digit:] | sed 's/ //'`
[03:11:12] iamlindoro_: is correct
[03:11:42] squish102: ok thanks iamlindoro_, trying it now
[03:13:48] clever: odd
[03:13:58] clever: i seem to be doing 2–3 mythfilldatabase's a day
[03:14:20] daMaestro: incorrect cron job?
[03:14:30] clever: mythbackend is running it automaticaly
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[03:17:52] clever: odd
[03:18:07] clever: shows without any subtitle are coming up as currently recorded:S
[03:18:30] clever: how can it know ive recorded them in the past if it knows nothing about that specific episode...
[03:18:46] fryfrog: they may have episode IDs
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[03:18:57] fryfrog: if they have no episode id *and* no subs, myth will record it
[03:19:11] ** clever peeks at mysql **
[03:19:15] fryfrog: occasionally i get episodes of "Family Guy" that are just called "Family Guy"
[03:19:54] a1fa: same here
[03:19:57] a1fa: its the source
[03:21:00] clever: the programid is SH003513740000
[03:21:13] clever: seriesid EP00351374
[03:21:21] clever: seems pretty generic to me
[03:21:31] clever: yet myth thinks its recorded it in the past
[03:22:07] clever: and the generic column is 1 !
[03:22:29] matty-: I have a MS MCE remote (1039) and when I press the arrow buttons, it skips every other option regardless of what I set the "gap" setting in lircd.conf. Any ideas?
[03:22:44] clever: isnt even trying to hide the fact its generic yet mythfrontend thinks its been recorded before...
[03:23:02] fryfrog: that is a pretty specific EP id, imho
[03:23:13] iamlindoro_: matty-: What does repeat= for those buttons?
[03:23:47] clever: fryfrog: most generic stuff i see in the db ends with a bunch of 0000's
[03:24:00] matty-: iamlindoro, "repeat" isn't set
[03:24:44] clever: fryfrog: for example
[03:24:45] clever: | EP003513740126 |
[03:24:46] clever: | EP003513740127 |
[03:24:56] clever: fryfrog: 2 of the programid's ive seen for the show
[03:25:24] clever: looks like season 1 epi 26 and 27 from the patern of them overall
[03:25:47] clever: so the one coming on at 1:30 am is season 0 episode 0 !
[03:25:47] clever: or its a generic one lacking any info:P
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[03:26:51] jza: hi anyone can give me a hardware compatibility list
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[03:27:49] clever: fryfrog: | EP003513740126 | Butterflies | 2005-04–10 |
[03:28:10] clever: from wikipedia that episode is #124 overall from season 6
[03:28:11] kdubya: there is no consolidated hardware compatability list
[03:28:17] jesse: hey guys whats the deal w/ the rs232 port on the back of my tv.. can i use that to connect to my pc to turn it on and off?
[03:28:52] iamlindoro_: My english teacher is spinning in her grave.
[03:28:56] clever: fryfrog: seems to be a rough link between the episode number and the programid
[03:29:05] ** iamlindoro_ begins to diagram that sentence. **
[03:29:27] iamlindoro_: Yes... yes, I think I've got it... you want your television to turn off your computer, right?
[03:29:33] clever: jesse: depends on what your tv is doing with the port
[03:29:54] jesse: what all could it be doing w/ that port?
[03:29:59] iamlindoro_: More likely it's a service port and the access is limited at best.
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[03:30:01] clever: id rather use that to turn the tv on/off
[03:30:26] jesse: also there is a usb connect that is meant for upgrading firmware.. i've been told that that can also control power
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[03:30:27] clever: my master is rarely every shut off but i may want to fire the tv up from the pvr150 remote
[03:30:44] clever: sounds like a fancy tv:P
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[03:30:57] clever: none of my tv's can have a firmware upgrade
[03:31:08] iamlindoro_: Lord knows tossing a model number into he fray would only make answering this question to easy.
[03:31:11] iamlindoro_: er the
[03:31:15] iamlindoro_: er too
[03:31:21] clever: and i can only think of 4 atm that even have a OSD interface
[03:31:25] jesse: i only have an lcd tv but its got both the usb firm and the rs232
[03:31:46] clever: iamlindoro_: yeah that would make it too simple:P
[03:32:26] ** iamlindoro_ puts on his turban and speaks to the spirits regarding the information required to answer this question. **
[03:32:47] iamlindoro_: Wait... the spirits tell me... that's it's a Realrustic SUKME-20, right?
[03:33:08] clever: lol
[03:33:11] iamlindoro_: with a 6-inch diagonal 768x8000 display
[03:34:45] ** iamlindoro_ figures if he's sarcastic enough the questioner will actually interject with information. **
[03:35:06] ** iamlindoro_ turns sarcasm to "11." **
[03:35:36] iamlindoro_: Uh, ok, and your TV hav two screw in the back so you can screw on a UHF adapter and play NES (with ROBB the robot, of course)
[03:35:45] iamlindoro_: screws
[03:36:01] iamlindoro_: s/hav/has/
[03:36:14] clever: yeah ive got a few of those tv's:P
[03:36:49] ** iamlindoro_ decides he won't google/answer the question at this point even if he GETS the model number of the TV. **
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[03:37:43] iamlindoro_: PS, what's USB Firm? I think my last girlfriend had that. USB is ultra sexy booty, right?
[03:38:00] iamlindoro_: 'cause hers was. F'o
[03:38:03] iamlindoro_: fo' sho'
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[03:38:06] clever: sounds like usb firmware updating:P
[03:38:11] iamlindoro_: presumably
[03:38:29] clever: 22 21:30:26 < jesse> also there is a usb connect that is meant for upgrading firmware.. i've been told that that can also control power
[03:38:32] clever: says so right there
[03:38:36] iamlindoro_: But I'm not one to let the obvious answer get in the way of haranguing.
[03:38:48] iamlindoro_: clever: I'm *aware* of that, dude... sarcasm seems beyond you.
[03:38:54] clever: :P
[03:39:37] ** iamlindoro_ goes to look at the pictures of his last girlfriend's USB, Firm. **
[03:40:07] jesse: yeah
[03:40:13] jesse: i just have to look into it more
[03:40:20] jesse: thaks clever
[03:40:30] jesse: man 1080i looks absolutely amazing
[03:42:02] fryfrog: you look absolutely amazing!
[03:42:08] fryfrog: crap, insult failure :/
[03:42:47] iamlindoro_: heh. Pssst, salvage it, make it "Your mom"
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[03:43:13] fryfrog: whew, good idea!
[03:43:23] fryfrog: "Your mom looks absolutely amazing!"
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[03:43:26] iamlindoro_: I hear she's got USB, firm.
[03:43:40] iamlindoro_: If ya know what I'm saying.
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[03:53:06] daMaestro: xris, aha.. found the additional issue
[03:53:09] daMaestro: xris, http://dpaste.com/32092/
[03:53:48] daMaestro: xris, --enable-libmp3lame is set.. so it must just be another cli change?
[04:00:30] daMaestro: xris, ffmpeg -formats|grep mp3: http://dpaste.com/32093/
[04:01:39] daMaestro: xris, changing -acodec mp3 to -acodec libmp3lame works
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[04:11:58] xris: daMaestro: thought I fixed that one, too...
[04:12:25] daMaestro: i'm now using 20071226.svn ... so it's possible you have
[04:12:33] daMaestro: i just grabbed your latest release srpm
[04:12:41] daMaestro: btw, thanks for packaging it ;-)
[04:12:56] xris: hmm, guess not.. ticket must still be open at svn.mythtv.org, then
[04:14:22] xris: looks like I fixed a couple of specific ones that I use, but didn't get to mp3 (I usually use mp4->n364+aac)
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[04:15:49] bsdfox__: what svn release are you guys using? right now mine has an annoying bug where if I skip to the end of a file still recording (like I'm watching it realtime as it records) it'll drop me back to the menu.. but if I skip back 5 seconds it's fine
[04:16:09] xris: I use svn... like compiled
[04:16:17] xris: er, "svn trunk"
[04:16:24] xris: I update every few days
[04:16:26] bsdfox__: yeah I am using trunk too
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[04:16:44] bsdfox__: Revision: 15263
[04:17:02] iamlindoro: That's not all that old
[04:17:09] iamlindoro: HAven't seen that bug, though
[04:17:27] iamlindoro: *but* I admit I seldom watch live TV
[04:18:56] bsdfox__: I notice it when watching sports mostly
[04:20:04] xris: sorry. I don't ever watch live tv
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[04:31:56] clever: fryfrog: odd...
[04:32:18] clever: fryfrog: the episode at 1:30 am is now marked as going to record, yet it was claiming allready recorded a short while ago
[04:32:46] clever: i blame mythfilldb which was mid way done!
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[04:34:23] daMaestro: xris, what i find strange is that "DE mp3 MPEG audio layer 3" is not matching the -acodec mp3
[04:35:06] xris: yeah. just needs to be switched to the "lame" version
[04:35:14] daMaestro: ok.. if i give you a patch?
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[04:35:16] xris: ffmpeg standardized all of their codec names to lib* recently
[04:36:16] xris: I think there already is one in a ticket in trac... but no one makes them good enough to account for backwards compatibility, so I usually just rewrite things.. you can look at ffmpeg/MP4.pm for libfaac to see what I did for that stuff. If you want to submit a patch, use that style
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[04:42:00] iamlindoro_: xris: would there be an appropriate spot in the MP4.pm to add -threads # to pick up a bit of speed?
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[04:43:44] lightning: Q, is there an easy way to pass a few iso's to transcode and let it figure out what streams to pull
[04:43:55] xris: iamlindoro_: ffmpeg.pm does that already
[04:44:04] lightning: or even a way to get the ISOs to show up in the dvd transcode screen so i can transcode it?
[04:44:16] iamlindoro_: xris: Automagically, or is it necessary to do so manually?
[04:44:23] xris: automatic
[04:44:44] xris: but only if you have more than 2 cores.. my tests actually showed slowdowns with 2 cores and more threads (because threads are already needed for mythtranscode and audio handling, so giving extra video threads slowed down the overall process)
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[04:44:53] iamlindoro_: xris: Oh. Hmm. Wonder what I did wrong when transcoding a certain movie that had it only maxing out at 100% on my quad
[04:45:12] xris: could be how ffmpeg works
[04:45:15] daMaestro: xris, http://dpaste.com/32100/ (if you want to apply it)
[04:45:17] xris: maybe I commented out the whole thing
[04:45:24] xris: daMaestro: ticket or I'll lose it.
[04:45:58] daMaestro: iamlindoro_, i also see -threads 2 but only one of my cores is in use
[04:46:04] iamlindoro_: xris: On my own ffmpeg jobs I can get into the 300s... I'm shure I just blew it somewhere, I'll try again.
[04:46:10] daMaestro: iamlindoro_, not sure if that is a limitation of ffmpeg or not
[04:46:11] iamlindoro_: er sure
[04:46:35] iamlindoro_: daMaestro: Nope, am able to get between 300–350% in my own usage, but again, I probably borked it somewhere
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[04:47:36] iamlindoro_: yup, must have been something I did, have it in the 200s now
[04:48:00] iamlindoro_: It may be that I didn't use yuvdenoise this time
[04:49:02] daMaestro: xris, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4438
[04:49:09] daMaestro: which is more complete then my patch
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[04:49:37] xris: yeah, like I said, pretty sure there was already a ticket
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[04:50:56] daMaestro: xris, i do appreciate having anon bug filing on the trac instance
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[04:51:14] xris: not sure it's supposed to. I think it's a bug
[04:51:44] daMaestro: xris, (read: for those of us needing to be careful about contributing to patent encumbered stuff)
[04:51:47] xris: though this trac obscures email addresses for non-logged-in people, though
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[04:53:47] xris: I wouldn't worry too much about that kind of stuff
[04:54:10] xris: if anyone ever tried to go after mythtv, they'd go after the main devs, not random contributors.. and then the EFF and FSF would step in to protect people.
[04:55:08] kdubya: i think he is more worried about getting fired than sued
[04:55:13] daMaestro: ;-)
[04:57:05] xris: ah
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[04:57:38] clever: weeee
[04:57:50] clever: mythfilldatabase has many mysql connections
[04:57:59] clever: all trying to do querys at once
[04:58:05] clever: on my poor 400mhz mysql server
[04:58:33] clever: most are Locked or in end
[05:00:09] clever: its so clogged mythfrontend wont even start!
[05:00:38] iamlindoro_: xris: What are the chances of getting a # of audio channels option for MP4? So that one can preserve 5.1 when going to AAC
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[05:02:01] xris: iamlindoro_: would have to be able to detect it in the stream... so probably not until the backend puts that info into the db.
[05:02:26] iamlindoro_: bummer
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[05:22:48] CaptObviousman: humm, if I want to install mythtv to a directory other than /, it's make INSTALL-ROOT="/path/to/dir" install right?
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[05:25:29] edman007: CaptObviousman, well you can't have a '-' in a variable name...
[05:26:21] clever: dangit
[05:26:27] clever: frontend is crashing again
[05:26:45] clever: prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.
[05:26:47] clever: over and over
[05:27:02] CaptObviousman: I picked that out of the makefile
[05:27:08] ** CaptObviousman hmms, goes back to drawing board **
[05:27:11] clever: CaptObviousman: ive used --prefix at configure time
[05:27:29] clever: CaptObviousman: with that i can root it at /media/mainlv/root/7.10/
[05:27:39] CaptObviousman: yeah, I might have to do that
[05:27:41] ** CaptObviousman sighs **
[05:27:45] clever: which lets me easily share the bin and lib's on the same nfs export as my recordings
[05:27:58] clever: all ubuntu 7.10's use the same prefix
[05:28:11] CaptObviousman: doesn't help me, because my backend is 64-bit and front end is only 32
[05:28:30] clever: yeah you would need seperate ones for each major arch+distro
[05:28:53] clever: wee theres my problem
[05:28:57] clever: mysql is clogged again
[05:29:10] clever: tons of querys stuck in progresss
[05:29:14] CaptObviousman: it's a good idea though, I'll think that through
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[05:29:35] clever: i layed it out to be usable with multiple systems
[05:29:47] clever: but in the end i wound up with many 7.10 boxes and a single 6.06
[05:29:59] clever: no need to share the 6.06 so its prefix is left at /usr/local/
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[05:30:35] clever: and the 6.06 is the nfs host holding the 7.10 bin/lib files!
[05:31:18] clever: and theres actualy an entire 7.10 root on the 6.06 at /media/mainlv/nfsroot/
[05:31:43] clever: along with countless partition images from drives which the lvm tookover and wraped itself arround
[05:32:41] clever: damnit i need to fix this mysql cloging
[05:34:02] ** daMaestro cries tears of joy to see new content in Miro (from mythtv) **
[05:34:09] clever: nfs server is 70% idle
[05:34:09] daMaestro: xris, thanks, again.
[05:34:44] clever: mysql server is 90% nice cpu usage
[05:34:57] clever: mysql is hung up on tons of querys
[05:35:24] clever: aha!
[05:35:31] clever: / is full!
[05:35:49] clever: damn bin logs!!!
[05:36:03] clever: i thought i shut those fuckers off!
[05:37:41] clever: now this should be alot more stable
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[05:40:24] bsdfox__: disabling bin logs normally isn't the proper action to fix mysql stability :P
[05:40:37] clever: what good are they!
[05:40:52] clever: all its doing is eating up space on the system which bearly has any to begin with
[05:42:25] clever: the actual mythconverg db is stored on nfs with the same fs as the recordings(which is on lvm)
[05:44:31] bsdfox__: not sure how that's relevant.. but ok
[05:45:04] clever: all the space for the db itself is offloaded to the 300gig lvm array
[05:45:22] clever: and mysql eats up the 200mb of space on / and comits suicide!
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[06:03:09] roothorick: I'm going to be building a system specifically for MythTV in the near future. If I want to play back 1080p video, which processor from the Core 2 family should I be using?
[06:05:14] Tanthrix: MPEG2 or x264?
[06:06:42] CaptObviousman: humm, do changes to /etc/exports get picked up automatically by nfsd, or do I have to restart the daemon?
[06:06:54] Floppe: exportfs -a
[06:07:21] mzb_d800: s/-a/-ra
[06:07:29] mzb_d800: (iiirc)
[06:07:47] CaptObviousman: perfect, thanks
[06:07:51] ** CaptObviousman will read man page **
[06:08:13] roothorick: Tanthrix: both, but not at the same time
[06:08:19] Tanthrix: roothorick: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD_Playback_Reports
[06:08:58] Tanthrix: roothorick: That's a start. But 1080p x264 needs some *serious* hardware to play back. Multi-threaded decoding makes a difference of course, but that's not supported well yet.
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[06:11:02] roothorick: Tanthrix: how am I to interpret this table?
[06:11:54] Tanthrix: roothorick: Not much to it. It lists, more or less, the most "intensive" file their person's machine could play.
[06:12:34] roothorick: Tanthrix: okay... doesn't really seem useful at all
[06:12:54] CaptObviousman: no, it's really pretty useful
[06:13:03] roothorick: I'm happy if I can do broadcast 1080p and whatever I happen to have laying around my network
[06:13:39] Tanthrix: roothorick: How's that? It shows you need at least something higher than a E4500 to do the trick.
[06:13:41] iamlindoro_: no such thing as broadcast 1080p
[06:13:52] roothorick: iamlindoro_: 1080i, my bad
[06:13:53] CaptObviousman: here's a Q6600 that rand 1080p x264
[06:13:59] Tanthrix: roothorick: Are you in the US?
[06:14:01] roothorick: yes
[06:14:14] CaptObviousman: you can buy Q6600s for what, $250 or so?
[06:14:19] Tanthrix: roothorick: Then you can play any HDTV content, anywhere, with any C2D.
[06:14:31] roothorick: Tanthrix: whut
[06:14:48] Tanthrix: roothorick: 1080i MPEG2 is as intense as it gets in the US. And any C2D can handle it without breaking a sweat.
[06:14:55] roothorick: ahhh
[06:14:57] Tanthrix: roothorick: It's only when you get into x264 stuff that it becomes tricky.
[06:15:19] roothorick: Tanthrix: well, let's suppose I have an x264 rip of a blu-ray movie. What am I going to need?
[06:15:26] clever: my only c2d is a laptop(1.8ghz max per core)
[06:15:37] roothorick: or would it make more sense to invest in a bigger hard drive, transcode to MPEG2, and play it like that?
[06:16:08] Tanthrix: roothorick: If it's a 720p rip, then you're good with a E4400. For 1080p, you're going to need some serious power. Probably E6600 or above, but don't quote me on that. (Maybe less if multithreaded decoding works better)
[06:16:21] adante: hm
[06:16:29] roothorick: hmmm
[06:16:30] adante: would be interesting in hearing about any results for the e8x line
[06:16:46] roothorick: Tanthrix: what about a 1080p rip, downscaled on the fly? No difference?
[06:16:55] roothorick: (downscaled to 720p)
[06:17:07] Tanthrix: roothorick: Not possible.
[06:17:08] iamlindoro_: Anything above an E4500 will handle 1080p rips straight off the disk.
[06:17:24] iamlindoro_: as long as you are playing back with mplayer and correct, multithreaded options, that is.
[06:17:25] Tanthrix: roothorick: It may be downscaled, but the 1080P still needs to be decoded.
[06:17:30] roothorick: Tanthrix: I see
[06:17:52] roothorick: iamlindoro_: so I should be good to go with a E4500?
[06:18:13] Tanthrix: Only if you are comfortable using bleeding edge mplayer, and figuring out what options to pass, etc..
[06:18:25] roothorick: I can deal with that
[06:18:27] iamlindoro_: at least... the top two systems in that list are mine... the E4500 very very occasionally drops a frame, but it's perfectly smooth and watchable. It takes quite a bit of tweaking mplayer, though
[06:18:38] Tanthrix: It's definately not going to handle x264 1080p content without all the extra flags and multithreading support
[06:18:40] iamlindoro_: ^^^ See what Tanthrix said
[06:18:49] Tanthrix: And technically you lose a bit of quality doing those filters
[06:19:01] Tanthrix: Increases macroblocking to some extent, though it's hardly noticable
[06:19:04] iamlindoro_: or, more accurately, lose a bit of quality forgoing the filters
[06:19:06] roothorick: Tanthrix: it's not likely I'll miss the quality if playing it on a 720p set
[06:19:13] iamlindoro_: ie you strip out all the filters
[06:19:26] roothorick: I did some math and figured out I can afford a 720p Pioneer Kuro
[06:19:31] Tanthrix: roothorick: Indeed. And even more than that, you shouldn't ever have to play 1080p rips in the first place.
[06:19:40] roothorick: and that's what this computer is going to be hooked up to
[06:20:17] Tanthrix: Blah!
[06:20:17] roothorick: Tanthrix: let's just say some of those movies come from not-so-legal sources so I don't have a lot of control over what format they're in when they show up on my hard drive
[06:20:25] Tanthrix: 1024x768 resolution. That's awful.
[06:20:33] Tanthrix: I wouldn't touch that set with a ten foot pole.
[06:20:46] Tanthrix: Assuming it's the PDP-4280HD we're talking about.
[06:20:47] roothorick: Tanthrix: the set I'm getting is 1366x768
[06:20:53] roothorick: PDP-5080HD
[06:21:05] roothorick: its worth-the-money bigger brother
[06:21:16] Tanthrix: roothorick: That's a bit better, but be warned, you're probably going to have issues doing hdmi/dvi output.
[06:21:51] roothorick: Tanthrix: I don't know if I'd notice the difference between HDMI and regular D-Sub
[06:22:41] roothorick: and D-Sub will give me the advantage of being able to run the TV at real 1366x768 instead of 720p upscaled
[06:22:47] Tanthrix: roothorick: All sorts of things can hamper computer output, including using different outputs and weird resolutions. Just make sure wherever you buy it from has a good return policy, or you can verify that it works well from someone else.
[06:23:24] roothorick: do you know why many HDTVs are 1366x768 native instead of 1280x720?
[06:23:33] Tanthrix: (IE, it all depends on the set whether the difference between vga/component and dvi is large or small, or whether you'll have to deal with crazy overscan issues)
[06:23:48] Tanthrix: roothorick: No. That's why I bought a 1080P LCD. Avoids all the issues.
[06:24:03] Tanthrix: Don't like the look of most plasmas as well.
[06:24:20] roothorick: a 1366x768 display can be driven by completely-default Windows XP/Vista without downscaling
[06:24:23] Tanthrix: (I suspect the newer higher resolution ones would be to my liking if I was convinced of their longevity with regards to color)
[06:24:41] Tanthrix: roothorick: Sometimes yes, and sometimes not. And we're not talking about windows, are we?
[06:24:47] roothorick: no, we're not
[06:25:11] Tanthrix: roothorick: Do a search on the nvidia linux forum for "1366x768" and you'll see the fun it can cause. Wikipedia EDID for some understanding into the issue.
[06:25:54] Tanthrix: roothorick: It's no gurantee of course – that particular set may work fine. I just recommend you buy from a place with a good return policy, or verify that it works well in linux at the resolution you want to run it at in some way
[06:29:03] roothorick: I'd be fine with 1280x720 upscaled by the TV, or 1920x1080 downscaled by the TV, which I will probably be able to accomplish with HDMI/DVI
[06:29:16] roothorick: if I can do better, AWESOME! But I'm willing to settle
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[06:32:48] roothorick: also, I've played with modelines before. I know how to force the nV drivers to use exotic resolutions it is thoroughly convinced the monitor can't do, even ones it's never heard of
[06:33:11] Floppe: have Y for switch capture card view stopped working for you also in latest trunk rev?
[06:33:30] roothorick: I don't own a capture card yet, sorry
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[06:37:21] tjcarter: roothorick: for NTSC cards, it's hard to go wrong with a PVR-150.
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[06:37:38] tjcarter: roothorick: for ATSC cards, HVR-1600 has some notable issues.
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[06:41:11] roothorick: tjcarter: I'd like an NTSC/ATSC all-in-one, thanks
[06:41:37] tjcarter: roothorick: cheap, good, works well with Linux, pick any two.  ;)
[06:41:41] clever: damnit
[06:41:48] clever: my window manager is on the fritz!
[06:41:56] clever: alt+tab keeps crashing
[06:42:02] ** tjcarter assassinates clever's wm **
[06:42:14] clever: ive allready restarted the damn thing 3 times!
[06:42:28] clever: and after a couple focus changes it dies and stops changing focus
[06:42:31] roothorick: tjcarter: I'm leaning towards the HDTV Wonder
[06:42:54] tjcarter: Is that one actually Linux-supporting? I think it's the one ATI that is.
[06:43:42] tjcarter: The USB-based AVC thing Hauppauge is working on is promising.
[06:43:51] tjcarter: It's gonna be $250 a pop though
[06:43:54] tjcarter: but ... AVC!
[06:44:22] tjcarter: lossless transcode to nuke commercials in HD
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[06:45:08] Tanthrix: roothorick: There are no good all-in-one cards that are supported.
[06:45:29] roothorick: Tanthrix: what's wrong with the HDTV Wonder?
[06:45:35] clever: tjcarter: X restarted..
[06:45:41] Tanthrix: roothorick: All of them have framegrabber analog tuners unfortunately. Your best bet is a Avermedia A180 (or another well supported cheap QAM/ATSC card) and a PVR-150
[06:45:45] clever: DAMNIT
[06:45:52] clever: allready crashed:P
[06:46:00] clever: cant click gnome-panel!
[06:46:03] roothorick: Tanthrix: I don't mind a frame grabber if I can make Linux like it
[06:46:07] tjcarter: clever: Gentoo is teh suck
[06:46:17] clever: tjcarter: im using ubuntu 7.10:P
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[06:46:41] tjcarter: clever: Ubuntu is teh suck too?  ;)
[06:46:47] clever: lol
[06:46:51] Tanthrix: roothorick: Suit yourself. I wouldn't touch them personally.
[06:47:02] Tanthrix: roothorick: But even so, the analog part isn't working in linux for that card. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_HDTV_Wonder
[06:47:05] clever: tjcarter: so far this problem has only appeared on the nfsroot'ed systems
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[06:47:21] clever: the normal ubuntu's havent shown it yet
[06:47:32] tjcarter: Tanthrix: I considered the A180
[06:47:41] tjcarter: But they are apparently evile
[06:47:45] roothorick: Tanthrix: eh? I thought it was...
[06:47:46] tjcarter: Avermedia I mean
[06:47:57] Tanthrix: tjcarter: How so?
[06:48:07] clever: i'll throw a memtest and reboot at the box
[06:48:25] tjcarter: Tanthrix: They don't respect software licenses (but I bet they expect you to!)
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[06:49:26] tjcarter: Tanthrix: for my money, I'd still buy the card because I'm more inclined to let the Copyright holders in question settle the matter.
[06:49:27] Tanthrix: tjcarter: Neither do I, so I really don't care. I just want a card that works well and is cheap. Let me know if they're running sweat shops or murdering kittens, and then I'll change my tune. ;)
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[06:50:03] tjcarter: Oh hell, all electronics manufacturers do those things.
[06:50:20] Tanthrix: In any case, you could always get a Kworld card. Same chip, different company.
[06:50:54] clever: damnit
[06:50:59] clever: forgot to f12 on bootup
[06:51:02] clever: now xo is loading
[06:51:03] tjcarter: Yeah, I considered that too--the Kworld card is cheaper too. It's a lousy connection to the card
[06:51:06] clever: xp
[06:51:24] clever: i needed a chkdsk anyway because of the ntfs resize i did
[06:51:40] Tanthrix: roothorick: Anyway, for the cost of the Hdtv wonder, you can get the A180 and PVR-150, both of which are very well supported, and the latter of which is pretty much the defacto standard for analog stuff.
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[06:52:27] Tanthrix: (More or less half the cost, anyway ;)
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[06:53:05] tjcarter: Don't bother with a PVR-500
[06:53:13] tjcarter: Some people swear they're fine.
[06:53:31] tjcarter: But some people can't get the analog tuners to work for shit.
[06:53:39] tjcarter: Or can get one to work, but not the other
[06:53:50] tjcarter: One is overdriven and the other has weak signal, etc
[06:54:10] roothorick: Tanthrix: I'm looking at a DViCo FusionHDTV5 RT Gold. I like the way it looks, and I could probably make a low-profile bracket for it if need be
[06:54:18] clever: i cant even get the analog in my 150 to give ok quality
[06:54:29] roothorick: yes, I'm going for an HTPC that actually looks like it belongs in my TV stand
[06:54:55] clever: ive got a few laptops with tvout i could hide in the tv stand with little trouble
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[06:55:17] roothorick: well, I intend to add a drive bay LCD to it too
[06:55:28] clever: ah
[06:55:29] roothorick: so I can do things like put CDs into it and play them without turning the TV on
[06:55:48] tjcarter: roothorick: wait
[06:55:52] clever: sounds fun
[06:55:56] clever: and expensive:P
[06:55:59] tjcarter: roothorick: why are you putting capture cards in HTPC?
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[06:56:11] roothorick: tjcarter: err.... why not?
[06:56:15] tjcarter: roothorick: put capture cards in a box in your closet.
[06:56:25] clever: roothorick: if you had a laptop it would have a built in screen and keyboard
[06:56:34] clever: but you may need to slide it out some to open it
[06:56:39] tjcarter: roothorick: storage abilities.
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[06:57:03] roothorick: tjcarter: I suppose it would take the CPU overhead of reading in TV off the computer, but... why?
[06:57:32] tcpsyn: Today I noticed that after watching live tv, going back to the main menu, and then going back to tv... The picture goes black.
[06:57:36] tcpsyn: Sound is fine, but no video.
[06:57:38] roothorick: another issue is the HTPC will be connecting to my network over wireless, not exactly ideal for streaming video, ESPECIALLY HDTV
[06:57:41] tcpsyn: until I restart mythfrontend.
[06:57:44] tcpsyn: Anyone ever seen that?
[06:58:56] clever: ow
[06:58:58] roothorick: tjcarter: basically, it pretty much must be an all-in-one box, because it's not going to have a reliable connection to any other computer besides the cableco-provided STB
[06:59:34] clever: cant run ethernet?
[06:59:42] roothorick: not through these ceilings, no
[06:59:50] roothorick: fiber, maybe, but I'm not about to take the plunge
[07:00:10] clever: whats the celing made of?
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[07:00:29] roothorick: electric ceiling radiators, mostly
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[07:01:14] clever: ouch
[07:01:26] clever: cant realy drill thru that without alot of care
[07:01:37] roothorick: not only that, but it's a solid wall of EMF
[07:01:44] clever: lol
[07:02:08] roothorick: I figured out that wireless reception is the weakest on the first floor in the centermost room
[07:02:20] clever: here its fiberglass celeing tiles in the basement
[07:02:27] tjcarter: roothorick: no cat5e?
[07:02:33] clever: trivial to slide a few out and run wires
[07:02:46] clever: and i have a few holes at corners of the house to pass between floors
[07:02:47] roothorick: tjcarter: not UTP. STP might fly.
[07:03:09] roothorick: but we still have to figure out a way to drill a hole in the floor without destroying one of the radiators
[07:03:22] tjcarter: roothorick: STP would be a good idea, but not all NICs are set for STP.
[07:03:30] clever: find a closet or somethihg which is unheated
[07:03:34] Tanthrix: roothorick: Uh....run it through the wall instead?
[07:03:41] Tanthrix: Not rocket science.
[07:03:43] clever: one of my ethernet lines comes up behind the fridge
[07:03:46] roothorick: Tanthrix: an outside wall?
[07:03:58] Tanthrix: roothorick: Is that where the TV is?
[07:04:13] clever: how is the coax for the tv ran?:P
[07:04:18] clever: rip it out
[07:04:22] clever: shove a ethernet in
[07:04:25] roothorick: Tanthrix: the "datacenter" is in my bedroom, far from the stairs and any inside walls that line up with the first floor
[07:04:28] clever: put the recording backend in another room
[07:04:38] roothorick: the TV is basically directly beneath me
[07:05:10] clever: tjcarter: restarting the whole system fixed the focus trouble...:S
[07:05:24] Tanthrix: roothorick: You might have to do some crazy things, but I'm sure you could run some Cat5e without having to drill through a ceiling.
[07:05:34] roothorick: clever: the coax comes in through the walls in an outdoor closet. Every cable coming in through there has at least two TVs on it
[07:05:40] Tanthrix: roothorick: Remember, the first rule of after construction house wiring is to take the easiest route, not the shortest.
[07:05:46] clever: lol
[07:06:14] clever: you could run an ethernet thru that closet and outside
[07:06:24] roothorick: another problem is that we'll be going past an ancient air conditioner
[07:06:33] roothorick: that gets frequent use during the summer
[07:06:49] clever: rf noise?
[07:06:54] roothorick: you better believe it
[07:07:01] roothorick: all the upstairs TVs are just nasty when that AC is on
[07:07:06] Tanthrix: With some fish tape and a long drill bit you can do anything. I've never encounted a situation where I literally could not run a wire, somehow.
[07:07:09] clever: no ac here at all
[07:07:11] tjcarter: roothorick: main reason I'd aim for a different location for the STB is that I'd want to be able to expand storage at will, drobo style.
[07:07:38] clever: drobo?
[07:07:38] tjcarter: drobo may have a pending patent on the idea, but dammit I came up with it ages ago based on Linux LVM and soft RAID.
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[07:07:44] tjcarter: drobo.com  ;)
[07:07:51] clever: lol
[07:08:05] tjcarter: And since before I heard about it, I'd been talking about an implementation of drobo over FW800....
[07:08:07] roothorick: tjcarter: for simplicity's sake I'd just as soon build an all-in-one box and add USB or eSATA drives as needed
[07:08:15] clever: lol
[07:08:35] clever: tjcarter: your drobo could move closer to the tv thats using it to fix poor wifi reception!
[07:09:21] tjcarter: roothorick: incompatible with svelte STB-looking HTPC case
[07:09:39] tjcarter: roothorick: in which case, just build it in a nice elegant blue-LED-free tower.
[07:09:55] roothorick: tjcarter: oh, the drives will be hiding behind the TV stand
[07:10:02] roothorick: which is one of those big wood types
[07:10:06] tjcarter: A case with a door covering lots 5.25 bays is good
[07:10:38] tjcarter: with a CoolerMaster 4–3 adapter or something similar
[07:10:39] anykey_: 6
[07:10:41] anykey_: 8
[07:10:43] anykey_: argh
[07:10:44] tjcarter: or drive caddy bays
[07:10:48] tjcarter: or something.
[07:11:57] clever: my current storage is 4 drives in the master
[07:12:10] clever: grouped into a 50gig /
[07:12:29] clever: and the rest is pretty much lvm with most of it on a 296gig for myth and other videos
[07:12:41] tjcarter: For a Myth box, I don't know what to do with 50GiB /
[07:12:55] clever: the / isnt holding the recordings
[07:12:57] Dagmar: Extra room for the database
[07:13:04] tjcarter: If I build it right, I don't know what to do with a 10GiB /
[07:13:08] clever: database is on the same lvm'ed fs as recordings
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[07:13:14] Dagmar: THAT is not a good idea
[07:13:20] tjcarter: Dagmar: oh?
[07:13:33] clever: i didnt know of myth when i built the system
[07:13:34] Dagmar: If for any reason that fs is considered "full" at the wrong time, you will lose tables.
[07:13:53] tjcarter: Dagmar: ideally, I want / ro and all data written to another partition.
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[07:13:58] clever: Dagmar: the db is there to take advantage of the nfs export
[07:13:58] Dagmar: MySQL does not protect you from a failure to give it enough disk space to store records
[07:14:13] clever: Dagmar: so my mysql server can run on a slave backend with the proper /etc/localtime
[07:14:15] tjcarter: Dagmar: blow away the rw partition = reset to defaults and rerun the config process
[07:14:23] clever: Dagmar: and runing out of space on the slaves / causes it to lock up!
[07:14:33] Dagmar: tjcarter: Beg pardon?
[07:14:37] clever: i think ive killed bin logs again but i thought i allready did that
[07:15:07] tjcarter: Dagmar: I'm thinking appliance mode here.
[07:15:19] tjcarter: I realize Myth generally is not used that way.
[07:15:24] tjcarter: Too much tinkering.
[07:15:31] tjcarter: But a LOT of people want an appliance.
[07:15:38] clever: 3 of my frontends are netbooting
[07:15:48] tjcarter: Hence the popularity of KnoppMyth
[07:15:49] clever: with the / located at /media/mainlv/nfsroot/ on the master
[07:15:57] clever: and /media/mainlv/ is the 296gig fs on lvm
[07:17:04] tjcarter: But KnoppMyth is still a tinkerer's thing.. A proper appliance should generally not require a terminal.
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[07:17:21] clever: my netbooting frontends boot right into mythfrontend
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[07:17:35] clever: but ive also got gnome and i often ctrl+alt+backspace and startx
[07:17:50] clever: the linux laptop i was using nearly 24/7 went tits up with the hdd
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[07:18:06] clever: so i booted it into the nfsroot and converted that to take over the hdd's job
[07:18:14] tjcarter: clever: I want frontends to boot directly into MythFrontend and need not bother with much of anything else--including most of the X distribution.
[07:18:15] Der-Tim: hi there
[07:18:26] clever: tjcarter: yeah thats what i had at first
[07:18:43] clever: but then i wanted to steal dads fast c2d laptop cpu for some java games
[07:18:58] clever: but he doesnt want me risking damage to the winxp or hdd
[07:19:08] clever: netboot wont do either!
[07:19:09] tjcarter: clever: I haven't worked out the memory requirement for that sort of setup yet, but it should be VERY small.
[07:19:27] clever: ive ran mythfrontend+x+boinc on 256mb
[07:19:39] clever: with a mythbackend and the odd transcode in the background
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[07:19:52] tjcarter: clever: I bet you could a frontend into less.
[07:20:04] clever: ive currently added swap so i can get a full firefox and other bloated things when i want them
[07:21:20] tjcarter: clever: If I want a web browser, I will use a computer.
[07:21:31] tjcarter: DVR may have the same bits as a computer, but it's not.
[07:21:49] clever: the main laptop i used for that has a damaged hdd
[07:21:50] tjcarter: and if 2GB RAM isn't enough for a FE, something's wrong.
[07:22:00] clever: so im using the nfsroot to run it
[07:22:17] clever: and it can run on 256mb ram if i dont start the whole gnome ui
[07:23:20] clever: rebooting the d600 to see what the mem usage looks like after a fresh boot and autostart of the fe
[07:23:42] clever: and this 'box' is actualy a laptop
[07:24:20] clever: 375mb ram free
[07:24:28] clever: 140mb used
[07:24:31] clever: fe still loading
[07:24:43] tjcarter: I'm not sure 256MiB is sufficient when you have no swap.
[07:24:53] tjcarter: especially when HD is involved
[07:25:01] clever: only sd content here
[07:25:20] clever: there fe up
[07:25:35] tjcarter: I'm building for Teh Future!
[07:25:48] clever: Cpu0  : 8.2%us, 3.7%sy, 41.8%ni, 19.0%id, 22.2%wa, 3.3%hi, 1.8%si, 0.0%st
[07:25:52] clever: Mem: 515572k total, 483288k used, 32284k free, 168k buffers
[07:25:55] clever: Swap: 1092412k total, 0k used, 1092412k free, 292300k cached
[07:26:33] CCFL_Man2: qam modulators are espensive
[07:26:45] clever: 190,988kb of ram used
[07:26:49] clever: not counting the cache
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[07:27:00] clever: that easily fits in 256mb
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[07:27:16] tjcarter: I figure I need X (as in the server), busybox, kernel, necessary libs, the minimal set of X drivers, lirc, and some scripts and possibly a small Xdialog-alike that can look like MythTV's GUI.
[07:27:37] tjcarter: General pile of X clients? No.
[07:27:53] tjcarter: Just enough to run the FE.
[07:27:54] clever: firefox doesnt eat ram when not running:P
[07:28:24] tjcarter: I bet that'll fit in 128MB with a small ramdisk for storage.
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[07:28:56] tjcarter: hell, with 2MB RAM, pull the FE image off tftp and shove it in a 512MB ramdisk
[07:29:09] clever: tjcarter: from http://www.pastebin.ca/869526 you can see most of the ram goes to X mythfrontend and mythtranscode
[07:29:15] clever: im not storing the FS itself in ram, the fs is on nfs
[07:29:39] tjcarter: NFS works too
[07:29:46] tjcarter: I just don't like / on NFS
[07:29:56] tjcarter: I'm thinking rarely written NAND flash would work well
[07:30:03] clever: that lets me have 7gig on '/' for tons of crap
[07:30:21] tjcarter: possibly with a push upgrade on the FE being the only time the NAND flash is written to
[07:30:22] clever: which is actualy within my lvm volume for recordings and could blow to 300gig if i deleted my shows:P
[07:30:27] tjcarter: (again, I'm thinking appliance)
[07:30:32] clever: yeah
[07:30:37] clever: if you did want to dedicate it
[07:30:49] clever: i think i had <1gig of the fs used when it was JUST enough for the fe
[07:31:04] tjcarter: I do.
[07:31:08] clever: could have probly trimed it a good deal if i removed useless bits and peices
[07:31:17] tjcarter: I want to dedicate the whole process and control everything, start to finish, from my remote.
[07:31:34] clever: but i am saving space by sharing this rootfs with 3 laptops
[07:31:49] clever: by sharing im cuting my space usage by 1/3rd
[07:31:55] tjcarter: I want one disc to be able to set up FE, BE, or dedicated box
[07:32:08] tjcarter: and the assumption is that a BE is probably headless
[07:32:36] clever: im thinking i could run every new front/slave off nfsroot from now on
[07:32:45] clever: all leeching off the master's massive hdd space
[07:33:11] clever: and with some helper scripts i could make the new nfs systems ask some config questions and set themselves up
[07:33:23] clever: then tar the whole root and scripts up and pass it out
[07:33:27] CCFL_Man2: tjcarter: it's better to have the backend it's iwn system
[07:33:31] tjcarter: My critical assumption is that there's a predictable set of hardware.
[07:33:46] tjcarter: CCFL_Man2: Mine is, but it's generally headless.
[07:34:03] CCFL_Man2: tjcarter: of course
[07:34:18] clever: my recording master is the only system with a stable tv output
[07:34:20] tjcarter: CCFL_Man2: KM requires NOT headless for at least a time.
[07:34:23] Tanthrix: Dagmar: You're not dead?
[07:34:39] CCFL_Man2: you can net root frontends
[07:34:43] CCFL_Man2: KM?
[07:34:48] tjcarter: KnoppMyth
[07:34:53] tjcarter: you need a head to configure the thing
[07:35:09] clever: CCFL_Man2: 3 of my frontends are net rooted(and run mythbackend to handle flag/transcode jobs)
[07:35:11] CCFL_Man2: tjcarter: ssh -X
[07:35:23] tjcarter: I figure if it sees that you have no remote, no monitor connected, and yes hard drives, it just configures a dedicated BE
[07:35:24] CCFL_Man2: clever: ahh
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[07:35:38] tjcarter: CCFL_Man2: HD partitioning
[07:35:45] tjcarter: I'd probably automate that process too
[07:35:54] clever: tjcarter: what if i forget the disk in my xp system and booted without a monitor connected by mistake:P
[07:36:04] clever: o shitz!
[07:36:38] tjcarter: clever: I didn't say without any input or output
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[07:36:52] clever: but its hard to give it input on what to do if it lacks a monitor...
[07:36:57] wormz: at the moment I'm running oxine, though want to change to mythtv. I don't have a capture card yet, I just use the machine to watch movies and play music, will mythtv run just as a divx / dvd player?
[07:37:08] CCFL_Man2: tjcarter: i was just going to install debian without x on the backend, why bother with knopmyth?
[07:37:09] tjcarter: clever: I give machines input without being able to see all the time.
[07:37:24] clever: tjcarter: yeah you might be able to but the avg noob would have trouble
[07:37:30] tjcarter: CCFL_Man2: KnoppMyth is designed to be Myth
[07:37:40] clever: tjcarter: back when i lost my lcd panel i blindly ran mplayer to use the laptop as an oversized mp3 player!
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[07:37:56] tjcarter: clever: I have thoughts about that too actually.
[07:38:06] clever: i was even able to connetct the thing to wireless blindly using iwconfig and ip
[07:38:11] tjcarter: clever: As was mentioned, there is ssh -X
[07:38:27] clever: ssh -X only works once the network gets itself up
[07:38:34] tjcarter: clever: automatic.
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[07:38:46] tjcarter: clever: and mDNS to tell your client what the server is.
[07:38:49] clever: enless you plan to have the master server as the dhcp server
[07:39:01] clever: to send out the tftp headers in dhcp for netbooting
[07:39:46] clever: but if your doing such advanced stuff why are you using an automated noob friendly cd
[07:39:49] clever: :P
[07:40:11] wormz: If I just want to watch dvd's and divx movies is KnoppMyth suitable?
[07:40:25] tjcarter: clever: nope, I would steal a page from Apple on that.
[07:40:26] clever: sounds like overkill to me
[07:40:36] clever: tjcarter: which page?
[07:41:14] CCFL_Man2: tjcarter: i'd rather just install the latest debian and mythtv and required drivers, but i wouldn't go as far ascompiling a custom kernel
[07:41:25] tjcarter: clever: the one that makes two Apple laptops able to talk to eachother wirelessly with a DHCP server or without one  ;)
[07:41:41] clever: ahhh
[07:41:48] tjcarter: CCFL_Man2: KM comes with a kernel patched for all the drivers and whatnot.
[07:42:13] clever: i used debootstrap to make my rootfs
[07:42:18] tjcarter: clever: My assumption is that you'd configure the BE either from a FE or from a convenient lil program that compiles easily lots of places.
[07:42:25] clever: then i chroot'ed in and edited the initramfs config to be nfsrooted
[07:42:58] clever: in the end i had a 500mb root with plain text mode console and nfsroot
[07:43:03] CCFL_Man2: tjcarter: might be a good idea to ue it instead
[07:43:12] clever: add the lib's mythtv needs and X and i got a fe
[07:43:33] defaultro: off topic question guys :P what is PA system? it's related to audio.
[07:43:34] tjcarter: CCFL_Man2: for a dedicated box, I wouldn't use anything else unless I canned it myself.
[07:44:02] tjcarter: Public Address
[07:44:14] defaultro: are you serious?
[07:44:49] CCFL_Man2: tjcarter: i'm only going to use a wintv nova-s and a avermedia a180
[07:45:13] defaultro: was it called PA system because it is used in public venues?
[07:45:38] tjcarter: defaultro: yes.
[07:45:53] defaultro: ah, thanks :)
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[07:46:25] tjcarter: CCFL_Man2: I'm basically designing and redesigning my dedicated MythTV setup for people who basically want a little more freedom than cableco DVR, but want essentially that functionality.
[07:47:46] tjcarter: CCFL_Man2: To them, MythTV is overcomplex, can do more than they'll ever want, and really isn't set up by default to be what they want it to be..
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[07:48:26] justinh: I wouldn't foist mythtv on a 'user' that's for sure
[07:49:42] tjcarter: If you had a controlled environment, that wouldn't be a bad idea.
[07:49:53] CCFL_Man2: tjcarter: ahh, i'm designing a complex system too, it involves c band receivers and qam modulators and the mythtv frontend and backend
[07:49:55] tjcarter: The issue is that the environment is not controlled  ;)
[07:50:12] tjcarter: CCFL_Man2: to my mind, that's not so complicated.
[07:50:22] tjcarter: CCFL_Man2: you just have multiple input sources
[07:50:45] CCFL_Man2: tjcarter: mine neither, but people say it'd complex
[07:51:19] roothorick: any reason to go over 512MB in a dedicated MythTV box?
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[07:51:26] tjcarter: The only reason it seems so is that most DVRs can't handle more than two sources. Many can't do more than 1.
[07:51:31] roothorick: RAM I mean
[07:51:50] tjcarter: roothorick: do you EVER plan to use things like desktop programs, Firefox, etc?
[07:52:07] tjcarter: or are you thinking the same way I have been talking?  ;)
[07:52:10] roothorick: tjcarter: no. Emulators maybe...
[07:52:26] tjcarter: okay, the answer is probably not, depending..
[07:52:28] roothorick: it's going to be completely dedicated to the home theater
[07:52:53] tjcarter: Do you plan to transcode from whatever format you get to any other format, say MPEG4 AVC for archival?
[07:52:54] CCFL_Man2: tjcarter: i'm going to have up to 10 sources, so i can have as many frontends as i want, as i only really only watch about 10 channels
[07:53:22] roothorick: tjcarter: maybe, but not likely
[07:53:31] tjcarter: CCFL_Man2: With Myth, I generally operate on the "What's Live TV?" principle  ;)
[07:53:40] tjcarter: roothorick: then no.
[07:53:44] roothorick: cool
[07:53:46] justinh: roothorick: do you ever plan to use blootube-wide ? :D
[07:54:08] tjcarter: roothorick: if you're using hardware encoders, you don't need to transcode except for archival in less space
[07:54:11] tjcarter: justinh: lol
[07:54:20] CCFL_Man2: tjcarter: ahj
[07:54:21] roothorick: justinh: what?
[07:54:26] tjcarter: roothorick: that's a good question, blootube-wide eats MAJOR RAM  ;)
[07:54:27] justinh: tjcarter: not that it's really a joke of course
[07:54:51] justinh: blootube-wide is a big theme. widescreen and BIG. Did I mention that it's _big_ ?
[07:54:51] roothorick: tjcarter: well, I'm probably going to have a frame grabber
[07:54:59] tjcarter: roothorick: why on earth?
[07:55:20] tjcarter: roothorick: those things eat like 5GB/hour unless you transcode on the fly.
[07:55:30] tjcarter: in which case hells yeah you want more than 512MB!
[07:55:34] roothorick: tjcarter: that's what I'm gonna do
[07:55:48] justinh: transcode on the fly?
[07:55:58] tjcarter: and a massive 2GHz+ multicore CPU
[07:56:00] justinh: just record to mpeg4 if you must use a framegrabber
[07:56:17] CCFL_Man2: tjcarter: i'm going to have 4 c band dishes, up to 10 satellite receivers each for one channel, then use qam modulators to take the transport steeam from the receiver and modulate on qam,so i can cheaply feed the raw transport stream into myth
[07:56:19] tjcarter: justinh: that's a transcode from MJPEG of the card  ;)
[07:56:41] tjcarter: CCFL_Man2: that's not complicated, that's insnae.
[07:56:52] ** Tanthrix laughs in the distance.... **
[07:56:53] roothorick: tjcarter: I'm probably going to wind up with a DViCO FusionHDTV5 Gold and expect it to do pretty much everything
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[07:57:00] tjcarter: CCFL_Man2: You're never gonna have 10 people watching different channels at the same time.
[07:57:15] justinh: tjcarter: it's his money, his time.. if he ends up having the last laugh someday, I don't care :)
[07:58:02] tjcarter: CCFL_Man2: and if you watch only 10 channels, you could record all of them 24 hours a day with 10 receivers
[07:58:28] tjcarter: if you actually have reason to do that, I'm impressed
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[07:59:27] CCFL_Man2: tjcarter: c band subscriptions are cheap, i'll have better picture quality, no provider inserted commercials, better that pizza dish or crappy cable
[07:59:39] tjcarter: justinh: maybe he wants to archive the first runs of everything on all 47 HBO channels (or however many they have) and make them available on-demand all month?
[07:59:45] Tanthrix: He's never actually going to do it, either. He just likes to tell everyone about his big plans.
[08:00:16] CCFL_Man2: Tanthrix: i'm slowly saving money snd aquiring equipment
[08:00:24] tjcarter: Tanthrix: at least my big plans have a market =D
[08:00:28] roothorick: I want a front panel LCD on my HTPC. Any specific product suggestions?
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[08:00:43] tjcarter: roothorick: anything matrix orbital is supported.
[08:00:50] Tanthrix: CCFL_Man2: No more talking about it until you actually have it setup!
[08:01:05] ** Tanthrix becomes a channel nazi **
[08:01:16] CCFL_Man2: Tanthrix: two avermedia a180 cards will come thursday
[08:01:29] Tanthrix: Really? That's progress, I suppose.
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[08:03:10] CCFL_Man2: tjcarter: i want to provide good quality transport streams into mythtv, and have every transport stream free for a front end or recording
[08:04:01] CCFL_Man2: for the cable channels i want i get them over c band using receivers with dvb-asi output
[08:04:30] CCFL_Man2: take that output and feed that into a qam modulator
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[08:05:11] CCFL_Man2: then have a qam pci card for each channel i want
[08:05:48] Tanthrix: Is it possible to specify what user you want mythfilldatabase run as?
[08:06:55] Tanthrix: Or at least specify its priority?
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[08:14:00] defaultro: how's the Cloverfield movie guys? Is it worth to watch it?
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[08:22:19] Tanthrix: Wonderful. TMS finally fixed the lack of channel data on one of the PBS channels for Portland's Comcast line up, but they also completely removed the main PBS channel in the process.
[08:23:03] Tanthrix: Those people have their head so far up their ass it's starting to lose its humor. This is the third time they've managed to totally mess up the PBS channels.
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[08:31:12] CCFL_Man2: there are 11 demensions
[08:31:39] CCFL_Man2: length, width, depth, time, what are the others called?
[08:32:48] CCFL_Man2: Tanthrix: thats why i say dump cumschat
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[08:42:46] directhex: CCFL_Man2, dopey, sneezey, sleepy, doc, grumpy, happy, and bashful
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[08:44:36] siXy: an am *fascinated* as to what the question was that provoked that answer :)
[08:45:43] directhex: siXy, the name for the remaining 7 dimensions in unified 11-dimensional superstring theory
[08:46:01] siXy: ah :)
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[08:55:12] opentrinity: i installed mythtv with svn ...i have no probelm to update my system (no new kernel) ?
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[09:03:37] siXy: opentrinity: care to rephrase that? what are you actually asking?
[09:04:55] opentrinity: siXy: i installed mythtv with svn....could i have any problems whit the ugrade of my system packages? (excluded kernel)
[09:05:50] siXy: opentrinity: it should be fine
[09:06:21] opentrinity: k tx siXy
[09:06:35] opentrinity: and sorry for my bad english
[09:07:04] directhex: opentrinity, as long as you didn't do anything stupid like install it to /usr or overwrite system-managed packages, you'll be fine
[09:09:29] opentrinity: directhex: i have installed in /usr/lib ... default option...
[09:09:51] opentrinity: ..wait
[09:10:23] opentrinity: i say a stupid thing
[09:11:17] opentrinity: ... directhex ... so...i have no changed options
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[09:40:37] directhex|bsp: opentrinity, the default on every configure script i've used is /usr/local, not /usr
[09:41:34] opentrinity: the same for me...
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[11:48:04] clever: that was fun!
[11:48:08] clever: tryed multiseat
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[11:48:28] clever: it looks like the s3 virge card is hardlocking the system if i use it with at the same time as nvidia
[11:48:38] clever: but it didnt do that in the past
[11:48:47] clever: i'll dig out the 3rd card
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[11:49:36] siXy: clever: when i last used multiseat it was really beta at best. multiple different cards gave very mixed results.
[11:49:59] siXy: theres a good chance it hasn't improved much – its not wildly popular
[11:52:01] clever: i know ive had both cards displaying at once in the past
[11:52:12] clever: and had trouble getting the inputs seperated
[11:52:24] siXy: what changed? did you try and enable hardware accel?
[11:52:25] clever: this time i fed the evdev driver conf right into xorg.conf
[11:52:35] clever: i forget what exactly i did last time
[11:52:52] clever: was mostly guessing things here and there from what i read on 20 diff pages explaining multiseat
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[11:53:20] clever: this time i used evdev to get both seats using the right keyboards
[11:53:26] clever: and it hardlocked a few times
[11:53:31] siXy: evdev?
[11:53:43] clever: evdev is the driver used to get input from a single device
[11:53:54] siXy: yeah, but why are you messing with it?
[11:53:54] clever: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX is the one i followed today
[11:54:09] directhex|bsp: i like evdev
[11:54:10] siXy: a few udev rules and xorg.conf should be all you need
[11:54:27] clever: yeah but the system still hardlocks when i get both X's up
[11:55:02] siXy: disable hardware accelleration on all X's, and see if that helps
[11:55:22] clever: which option was that exact/y
[11:55:40] siXy: in xorg.conf. disable dri, glx etc
[11:55:49] clever: arg
[11:55:53] clever: and my kde is messed up now!
[11:56:15] clever: 90% of the guides explain for gdm so i removed kdm and put in gdm
[11:56:27] clever: now my kde is messed up even after switching back!
[11:57:05] siXy: oh :) i much prefer kdm for multiseat anyway, gdm config is a pita
[11:57:28] clever: havent seen many pages explaining how to mod kdm.conf
[11:57:29] siXy: but maybe a wipe and restart might be an option at this stage?
[11:57:34] mdew-home: never really liked kde/qt, prefered gtk+ actually
[11:57:55] clever: siXy: whipe what?
[11:58:14] siXy: everything
[11:58:43] clever: not going to format it
[11:58:46] clever: thats the windows way to fix it:P
[11:59:12] ** justinh renames the channel to #clever's-weird-projects **
[11:59:21] siXy: heh :)
[11:59:33] siXy: clever: its also often the fastest way to fix stuff
[11:59:40] clever: i have 50gig on /
[11:59:44] clever: and 300gig on lvm
[11:59:52] clever: where would i back it all up!
[12:00:03] clever: and how many weeks would it take to get back to normal
[12:00:16] siXy: riiight :) well if i were you i would test this stuff on a seperate system, than can be regularly wiped every time you screw it up
[12:00:22] justinh: normal – isn't that the usual, semi-working with weird bugs, state?
[12:01:14] clever: siXy: the only other desktops i have are the 400mhz media which is the mysql server of myth so i cant exactly shut it off randomly
[12:01:28] clever: and dads xp which is dualboot to linux and hard to open up
[12:01:39] clever: the other 2 lack a gui
[12:02:49] clever: also a format of theP4
[12:02:55] clever: would probly kill every other myth system
[12:03:02] ** justinh imagines clever's ilk in previous generations building hifis & televisions out of stuff robbed from army surplus stores **
[12:04:23] clever: ive fixed up most of the kde problems
[12:04:36] clever: the fonts are just a tad more fugly and a few panel widgets where missing
[12:04:59] clever: and the kwin config seems to have been lost
[12:05:51] clever: i'll just play with it more on another box
[12:06:03] siXy: clever: you remind me of this http://xkcd.com/349/
[12:06:16] siXy: :)
[12:06:25] clever: lol
[12:06:41] clever: ive turned dads xp into a dualboot overnight and he didnt even notice for a few weeks
[12:06:50] clever: i tuned grub to boot winblows by default and do it real fast
[12:07:14] siXy: 'tuned' heh
[12:07:25] siXy: that must have taken *hours* :P
[12:07:38] clever: a few mins:P
[12:07:43] clever: just addjust the detault and timeout
[12:07:51] siXy: clever: yes. i know.
[12:09:15] clever: but which cards to i play with in the media system
[12:09:23] justinh: easier with grub than lilo IMHO
[12:09:42] clever: it has no agp slots so i cant use the 2 agp cards, and those arent any use in the final box because the nvidia is using the agp slot
[12:09:45] justinh: are you not having enough fun with the 3 nfsroots anymore?
[12:09:57] clever: id like to get the 2.9ghz over to linux
[12:10:06] clever: so im trying to setup a 2nd video card on the master for qemu and windows
[12:10:14] clever: to takeover the windows stuff the 2.9ghz is running
[12:10:41] clever: but im still working on just getting the 2nd video card to run right now
[12:11:13] clever: and i can allways netboot the 2.9ghz off the nfsroot so i dont have to install and empty out its drive asap
[12:11:49] clever: and the 2.9 may handle the frame grabber better and allow me to record 2 shows at once
[12:11:57] siXy: justinh: yeah. it would take even a new user seconds. i just love it when poeple say things like: "I OMGtuned this application and made it uber-amazing" when what they mean is: "I put a default line in the config file that I got from google"
[12:12:16] clever: lol
[12:12:24] clever: ive read the entire 'info grub' a few times
[12:13:02] clever: the s3virge card might be the cause of the problem
[12:13:09] clever: but i cant find the other spare pci card
[12:13:28] clever: but i do have a pair of isa video cards! (one of them is even CGA!)
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[12:13:43] clever: seems better to avoid isa though:P
[12:15:45] rooaus: clever: If you wanted it to go un-noticed you should be using the Windows bootloader and chained that to grub. Then called the menu entry "Windows Recovery Session" :D
[12:15:47] jduggan: hmm, my p4 3ghz has all of a sudden stopped being able to play 720p content (both broadcasted streams and *cough* blueray/hddvd rips – using both trunk internal player and tried with svn mplayer, any suggest what i could try tuning to fix it?
[12:16:20] clever: rooaus: ive seen patches to grub to make it show a image instead of the hit escape to ....
[12:16:22] jduggan: i hadnt tried for a while, i have done various updated etc so i cant pinpoint what exactly caused it
[12:16:30] jduggan: updates*
[12:16:37] clever: rooaus: so when grub starts you get the windows splash, and 5 seconds later you get the real windows splash
[12:18:29] clever: found the other pci vid card
[12:18:32] clever: rendition
[12:18:37] clever: v2100
[12:18:41] justinh: jduggan: suddenly your video card isn't accelerated anymore, for example? ;)
[12:19:40] jduggan: justinh: i checked, its using nvidia drivers seems fine etc
[12:20:02] jduggan: xvmc only works with mpg right?
[12:20:42] clever: mpeg2 atleast
[12:20:47] clever: some cards i think can mpeg4
[12:21:05] justinh: not in linux clever. not in linux
[12:21:10] justinh: (never)
[12:21:16] roothorick: uhh
[12:21:23] roothorick: I don't recall Windows XP supporting XVMC
[12:21:26] clever: so some==0 :P
[12:21:44] justinh: roothorick: it isn't called xvmc in windows
[12:21:51] roothorick: oh, right
[12:22:28] justinh: they have a directx filter with hooks into the driver to help offload mpeg decoding. get used automagically if present & the player code is aware of them
[12:22:49] justinh: recent higher end nvidia & ati cards can even offload h.264 decoding
[12:22:56] roothorick: oh, look at that
[12:23:04] siXy: jduggan: my guess would be your nvidia kmod is built against kernel-$version, and you are running kernel-($version+1)
[12:23:09] roothorick: VIA Unichrome can offload MPEG-4 via XVMC
[12:23:09] justinh: but not in linux drivers, and ati gives no hardware acceleration of video at all.
[12:23:32] jduggan: any chance nvidia will port the 264 to the linux driver?
[12:23:32] justinh: roothorick: can, yes. not working in linux yet
[12:23:43] justinh: jduggan: there's always a chance
[12:23:50] siXy: jduggan: lsmod | grep nvidia
[12:23:54] justinh: there's a chance of peace in the Middle East too
[12:23:55] roothorick: hmmm
[12:23:56] jduggan: siXy: i thought that also – i recompiled to be sure
[12:24:21] justinh: what? you don't _compile_ nvidia drivers on linux. nv maybe. not nvidia
[12:24:33] jduggan: no, you compile the wrapper
[12:24:35] jduggan: :)
[12:24:37] jduggan: you know what i mean
[12:24:54] justinh: I know what you meant. others might not.
[12:25:22] roothorick: jduggan: they will port over the 264 stuff once there's an API to expose it via
[12:25:29] justinh: some noobs do read stuff. never seen much evidence of it, so largely just making an assumption
[12:26:15] jduggan: ok :)
[12:26:20] jduggan: i guess its best to be clear
[12:26:21] jduggan: :P
[12:26:45] justinh: wonder how the new video acceleration api is coming along anyway
[12:26:57] justinh: wasn't it allegedly intel leading the field with that or something?
[12:27:47] roothorick: justinh: apparently they have a library (libva) already
[12:28:42] justinh: wheee http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/vaapi
[12:28:56] justinh: exima-citering! & ting
[12:30:14] opentrinity: who founded mythtv?
[12:30:56] justinh: roothorick: and FWIW not all unichrome chipsets can decode h264/mpeg4. most can't even do HD mpeg2 AFAIK
[12:31:17] quicksilver: Nice. My mythtv-users folder is 370M on disk.
[12:31:36] ** justinh subscribes to -users but receives no email. cleaner that way **
[12:31:43] quicksilver: very wise.
[12:31:48] quicksilver: I used to read it.
[12:32:20] opentrinity: isaac richard ---->i find it
[12:32:22] opentrinity: s*
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[12:37:36] justinh: uh oh. the /. effect http://beta.ivancover.com/wiki/index.php/Eee_ . . . nal_Upgrades
[12:38:46] quicksilver: justinh: "recent higher end ati cards can offload h.264 decoding" <--- under linux?
[12:38:58] justinh: quicksilver: ROFLMAO
[12:39:02] directhex|bsp: quicksilver, ati cards offer NO acceleration of ANY codec under linux
[12:39:08] ** quicksilver nods **
[12:39:12] quicksilver: well, I was surprised :)
[12:39:22] justinh: 12:23 < justinh> but not in linux drivers, and ati gives no hardware acceleration of video at all.
[12:39:22] quicksilver: but I'm out of touch so I thought maybe something had changed.
[12:39:29] quicksilver: ah.
[12:39:34] quicksilver: should read more carefully.
[12:39:41] justinh: you're lucky even you even get Xv with ATI
[12:39:57] quicksilver: maybe this whole amd open source stuff will change it.
[12:39:59] quicksilver: or maybe it won't.
[12:40:06] justinh: wtf? you're lucky if you even get Xv with ATI
[12:40:25] justinh: quicksilver: maybe by 2020 at the rate they're handing out crumbs
[12:40:58] siXy: justinh: actually the closed-source ati drivers have got a lot better lately. amd lit a fire underneath the driver teams ass, and there are now half-decent drivers for the newer ati cards
[12:41:27] directhex|bsp: siXy, are they still 3x slower than an equivalent nvidia?
[12:41:35] directhex|bsp: on the few apps that run
[12:41:36] quicksilver: justinh: that sounds OK, that's about when I'll probably get an HD TV :)
[12:42:00] directhex|bsp: apparently ati's linux drivers don't like doing full-screen 3d on resolutions that aren't divisible by 6, according to their known issues :)
[12:42:11] directhex|bsp: 64
[12:42:28] siXy: directhex|bsp: anecdotally, they are about the same as nvidia now. i don't play games on linux, but they play {SD,HD}video just fine
[12:42:44] justinh: what's that directhex|bsp  ? ATI drivers don't like doing resolutions that are divisible by one?
[12:42:47] directhex|bsp: siXy, i meant 3d performance
[12:43:03] directhex|bsp: justinh, they do resolutions that divide by 0 just fine!
[12:43:16] justinh: that's ok then :D
[12:43:31] Dagmar: Now that's a good explanation
[12:43:34] siXy: directhex|bsp: yeah, i know. that sentance was meant to read: i hear they are pretty good now, but not tested 3d myself
[12:43:52] Dagmar: "Known bug: ATI drivers have problems with screen resolutions that are divisble by 1"
[12:44:14] directhex|bsp: siXy, i think the "they work now" bit is mostly rumour, everyone i know who's come to do actual testing has found they're slow & many apps won't run
[12:44:36] directhex|bsp: siXy, also, they don't support 3xxx-series cards
[12:45:23] justinh: I did once see a full composited desktop running on a laptop with ati graphics. wasn't impressed by the desktop so much as I was in awe of ATI working in linux
[12:46:04] siXy: directhex|bsp: on my X1900 I haven't seen any problems at all, they run everything fine. i even turned on desktop-junk (compiz) and it worked, until i got annoyed and turned it off
[12:46:13] opentrinity: i have an ATI X1600 and 3D works fine (with ATI's drivers)...and i have no problem with apps ...excluded mythtv
[12:47:45] directhex|bsp: i once got sent a loaner of a top of the range (then) ati card, to write an install guide and bench against nvidia. the ti4200 (£100) was beating the 9800xt (>£300) by about 25%
[12:48:29] directhex|bsp: phoronix's driver benchmarks might be mind-numbingly dull, but that's mostly because that "framerate" line hasn't improved in years
[12:48:35] roothorick: playing back a DVD with XvMC uses significantly more CPU than playing with regular Xv, what gives?
[12:49:08] siXy: roothorick: XvMC probably isn't working correctly.
[12:49:13] justinh: directhex|bsp: muh muh muh (whine mode ON) but you're biased, and and and and.. and nvidia cheat in their driver code to perform better in benchmarking utils and .. and they just SUCK ok? ATI 4eva!
[12:49:20] roothorick: siXy: so how do I find out what's wrong?
[12:49:35] siXy: roothorick: well for a start, what graphics card do you have?
[12:49:43] roothorick: siXy: GeForce 6200, AGP 8x
[12:50:03] siXy: what driver are you using?
[12:50:10] roothorick: nvidia binary
[12:50:13] directhex|bsp: justinh, until ati stop farting about, i buy nvidia
[12:50:24] siXy: ok. if you do glxinfo | grep direct what do you see?
[12:50:34] roothorick: Yes.
[12:50:55] siXy: glxgears work ok?
[12:51:30] roothorick: it's not the spinning mess of doom like it used to be before they changed it to use the RTC instead of frames, but it renders just fine
[12:51:45] roothorick: getting about 2000 fps on it
[12:52:46] siXy: roothorick: in that case, i simply don't know. maybe a bug in the nvidia drivers? yoou could try starting the FE in verbose mode to see if you can see anything useful...
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[12:53:01] opentrinity: ....with aty anyone see live tv in green and screen multiplicated?
[12:53:03] justinh: xvmc == not worth the hassle if you can get by without it
[12:53:06] roothorick: siXy: I'm playing with mplayer, actually
[12:53:25] roothorick: justinh: I definitely can't, so I'm playing with it on my main workstation
[12:53:33] opentrinity: ati*
[12:54:06] justinh: and if the case is that it won't play without xvmc, get hardware which will play it :)
[12:54:37] directhex|bsp: opentrinity, sounds like an issue i had about 4 years ago with ati in linux
[12:54:44] justinh: I kissed goodbye to my epia PoS a while ago due to that new credo. all is well so far
[12:54:54] roothorick: justinh: it's not that it doesn't play at all, it's that I get better performance with libmpeg12 in software
[12:55:13] justinh: I wouldn't worry about it then
[12:56:40] justinh: hey xavier! hands off my mythtv with your crazy 'usability improving' ideas!
[12:56:40] opentrinity: directhex|bsp: ...was a question
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[13:19:10] philip_: i have a weird problem
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[13:22:17] justinh: ffs there are some weird 'improvement' ideas coming in lately
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[13:22:51] directhex|bsp: justinh, such as?
[13:23:23] justinh: the 'usability improvements' thread on the -dev list
[13:23:57] philip_: http://rafb.net/p/IYpstS85.html
[13:24:03] philip_: please help me :))
[13:24:13] justinh: and 'browsing across multiple tuners'. I like the idea of being able to but don't see the point of changing the text colour in the guide according to what tuner a source is on. users shouldn't need to know. I for one wouldn't care
[13:24:46] justinh: they have enough problems remembering what other stuff means without having to recall "yellow text means this, blue means that..."
[13:25:56] philip_: justinh: any hint for my problem=
[13:30:52] justinh: now, do I lie & just say no idea, or just flat say I can't be bothered to look?
[13:31:32] philip_: ;)
[13:31:42] philip_: pleeease?
[13:31:47] philip_: pretty please?
[13:31:53] philip_: please with sugar on top?
[13:31:58] philip_: and whipped cream?
[13:32:02] philip_: and a strawberry?
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[13:34:20] philip_: ah, and i forgot something: http://rafb.net/p/G9WJTU96.html
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[13:46:25] enhanced: yawn
[13:46:36] enhanced: GreyFoxx: yep, I see the 30 min upnp scans...kewl
[13:55:18] Dagmar: Okay
[13:55:19] Dagmar: WTF
[13:55:33] Dagmar: I wander away for a few months and retarded things like this show up in the build output: ( cd /usr/lib/qt/src/moc && make )
[13:55:54] Dagmar: WTF is with the hardcoded path to a build tool
[13:56:09] ** Dagmar roots around for the source of the insanity **
[13:57:04] enhanced: Dagmar: in svn?
[13:57:38] Dagmar: Har har har nevermind
[13:58:08] Dagmar: I replaced the Slackware Qt package because it had some stupid shit in it (like putting all of qt in /usr/lib/qt for one thing) and hadn't yet logged out and back in so QTDIR still had the retard-o-matic value in it
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[14:03:10] Dagmar: Yep. That sorted it
[14:03:39] Dagmar: I'm guessing xvmc-opengl is still a broken feature
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[16:18:05] philip_: how do i get channel information for germany/austria?
[16:18:15] philip_: my cable provider does not deliver epg data :/
[16:19:19] siXy: EIT
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[16:19:41] philip_: siXy: where from?
[16:21:12] siXy: philip_: see the mythtv wiki
[16:21:23] siXy: it gets transmitted along witht he tv signal
[16:22:20] PF4: Hi, someone around with an pvr-350/150 card?
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[16:23:21] philip_: ( 17:08 philip_ ) my cable provider does not deliver epg data :/
[16:23:28] philip_: neither epg nor eit
[16:23:57] Kazan: PF4: yes
[16:24:09] Kazan: PF4: i have a pvr-500 which is two pvr-150s.. and was using a pvr-150 as well until my sysupgrade
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[16:26:26] PF4: Kazan, i have a little prob with my pvr-350 anf pvr-150 card. Both on the same tv source. Many channel (30%) only found on the pvr150 card. On 350 no signal
[16:26:36] PF4: same pc
[16:28:12] PF4: philip_, sure. use nxtvepg
[16:28:18] PF4: kabel1 and SF may work
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[16:30:42] directhex|bsp: well i never
[16:30:54] directhex|bsp: the latest version of elisa has a usable UI!
[16:31:53] PF4: directhex, ???
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[16:39:06] PF4: Kazan, any idea?
[16:40:25] enhanced: woot
[16:40:38] enhanced: mythtv videos playin on my xbox 360 now!
[16:40:52] enhanced: GreyFoxx++
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[16:44:34] Hoxzer: is there stil lno way to delete all liveTV recordings? Eventhough I have autoexpire turned on I can't watch livetv because of the space problem
[16:44:48] Hoxzer: I have 828 liveTV recordings :(
[16:45:03] GreyFoxx: ench: hehe
[16:45:44] enhanced: lol GreyFoxx auto-complete screwed U there
[16:45:52] GreyFoxx: Nope, that was all me :)
[16:46:24] enhanced: haha
[16:47:05] enhanced: in the process of testing a bunch of OSS f/ Linux Rippers and Transcoders to verify speed / quality of final produktz
[16:47:12] enhanced: hopefully no lolcode :-P
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[16:48:57] tjcarter: l..lolcode?
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[16:49:59] Aval0n-: hey guys is there any documentation on installed mythtv svn/trunk?
[16:50:24] Aval0n-: I did it before and stumbled through it but I would still like to see the documentation
[16:50:28] Aval0n-: I run ubuntu feisty
[16:50:56] Hoxzer: God damn...
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[16:51:27] Hoxzer: I'm gonna program perl script to use mythweb to delete all my liveTV recordings if I dont find a way to do this...
[16:52:32] xris: Hoxzer: why does it matter?
[16:52:43] CaptObviousman: humm, what does mythtv-setup do, and can I do it by hand (without X)
[16:52:49] xris: and why use mythweb when you could just use the perl bindings to do it directly?
[16:53:01] philip_: PF4: nxtvepg: pid 6228: failed to start acquisition: access error /dev/vbi0: No such file or directory
[16:53:15] philip_: how do i get a vbiß0 with a terratec cinergy 1200?
[16:53:35] iamlindoro__: CaptObviousman, It sets up the capture cards and listings sources, and no, you can't do it by hand without comprehensive knowledge of the database.
[16:53:47] CaptObviousman: rats
[16:54:06] iamlindoro__: you can export it to another machine, though
[16:54:06] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: It configures the tuners, backend info, jobqueue stuff, video sources, channels, storage groups, and links between video sources and tuner inputs :)
[16:54:15] iamlindoro__: if you don't want to put X on that machine
[16:54:24] iamlindoro__: you can ssh -X in and run it from another machine with X
[16:54:34] CaptObviousman: yeah, that's what I'll do tonight
[16:54:42] CaptObviousman: I'm just remote right now and was hoping to get the backend up and running
[16:55:43] enhanced: tjcarter: hehe
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[16:56:09] enhanced: Aval0n-: google man...it's all over for ubuntu/svn
[16:56:16] Aval0n-: i saw for breezy
[16:56:25] Aval0n-: nothin for feisty
[16:56:30] enhanced: and also
[16:56:33] enhanced: I hate Ubuntu
[16:56:34] enhanced: lol
[16:56:45] ** CaptObviousman quietly agrees **
[16:57:16] enhanced: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu-7.04_Source_Install
[16:57:21] enhanced: there U go
[16:57:28] enhanced: all official and shit
[16:57:37] ** enhanced pukes up a little Ubuntu in the back of his throat **
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[16:58:52] Aval0n-: thanks
[16:58:52] GreyFoxx: hmmm I should look at that TV show metadata script
[16:58:58] Aval0n-: I run 7.10 though'
[16:58:59] Aval0n-: :P
[16:59:04] Aval0n-: probably mainly the same though
[16:59:19] iamlindoro__: 7.10 is Gutsy, not Feisty.
[16:59:41] iamlindoro__: But yes, it's identical between those two.
[17:00:04] Aval0n-: Linux htpc 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Sun Sep 23 19:50:39 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[17:00:08] Aval0n-: err
[17:00:09] Aval0n-: sorry
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[17:00:28] Aval0n-: thanks  :)
[17:00:37] enhanced: yeah.. 7.04 is feisty and 7.10 is gutsy...both blow goatse
[17:00:47] MoeGreen: hey everyone. does anybody know the frequency table for directv?
[17:01:02] ** CaptObviousman shoots MoeGreen through the eye **
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[17:01:35] MoeGreen: :)
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[17:01:50] ** iamlindoro__ hopes MoeGreen didn't spend any money on a DVB card thinking he could use it with DTV **
[17:02:01] iamlindoro__: MoeGreen, There's no such thing
[17:02:15] MoeGreen: i bought a pvr150
[17:02:58] iamlindoro__: MoeGreen, You will need to get it via one of the input connections and change channels with an IR Blaster or the perl script, no frequency tables involved
[17:03:26] MoeGreen: i was just going to use the keyboard for now as the remote
[17:03:40] iamlindoro__: Then what frequency table are you referring to?
[17:03:47] iamlindoro__: There are none involved.
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[17:04:41] MoeGreen: when setting up mythtv configuration there is a field for channel frequency table
[17:04:57] iamlindoro__: Yeah, and it's irrelevant to DirecTV, since you won't be scanning for channels.
[17:05:28] MoeGreen: ok cool
[17:07:02] MoeGreen: then do i need to worry about the listings grabber?
[17:07:08] iamlindoro__: yes.
[17:07:13] MoeGreen: because i already went to zap2it.com and setup a username and password
[17:07:17] iamlindoro__: that's where your channels will come from
[17:07:19] iamlindoro__: hahahahaha
[17:07:23] iamlindoro__: we don't use zap2it any more
[17:07:25] MoeGreen: old way?
[17:07:29] MoeGreen: hehe i thought so
[17:07:37] iamlindoro__: schedulesdirect.org
[17:08:50] MoeGreen: is there some kind of free way instead of $20/year?
[17:09:34] MoeGreen: its not bad i dont mind paying $20 but i just thought there would be a free one like zap
[17:09:34] GreyFoxx: there are a couple screenscrapers out there, but I can't say how flaky or solid they are
[17:09:38] GreyFoxx: or if they will remain working
[17:09:52] GreyFoxx: there is no freely offered data though
[17:10:07] GreyFoxx: moodboom: SD also gives you a 7 day trial to try it out ifrst if you want
[17:10:15] MoeGreen: ok ill pay the $5 and see if it works on my setup :)
[17:12:35] Hoxzer: lol, it appears that mythfrontend doesn't like to have to deal with 800+ liveTV recordings. I have to do "select group to playlist -> delete playlist files" multiple times
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[17:20:58] blkorpheus: is there a way to prevent mythtv from going straight to photo browser when removable media is mounted
[17:21:21] blkorpheus: the frontend option of directory to monitor for photos I cleared
[17:21:33] blkorpheus: still the behaior persists
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[17:25:34] MoeGreen: when i do "fetch channels from listing source" its pulling it from my video source schedules direct right?
[17:25:52] iamlindoro__: Correct.
[17:25:53] MoeGreen: i entered my username and password but nothings happening when i hit fetch channels
[17:26:09] MoeGreen: is anything supposed to happen?
[17:26:41] blkorpheus: you won't see anythign happen
[17:26:53] blkorpheus: until you run the mythfillsatabase
[17:28:04] MoeGreen: and for some reason my tuner card in myth is saying tuner1,svideo 1,svideo2,composite1,and composite2 I have the directv box hooked up to my pvr150 via svideo...
[17:28:12] MoeGreen: so should i just use svideo1?
[17:28:18] iamlindoro__: Yes.
[17:28:32] MoeGreen: where do i type in mythfilldatabase?
[17:28:43] iamlindoro__: You don't, until you finish mythtv-setup
[17:28:48] iamlindoro__: then you run it from a terminal
[17:28:56] iamlindoro__: but only the first time, backend runs it from then on out
[17:29:00] Dagmar: Wow
[17:29:05] MoeGreen: ok back to the tv :)
[17:29:07] Dagmar: People still refuse to read the installation docs
[17:29:14] iamlindoro__: Dagmar, ;)
[17:29:20] Dagmar: I can has an idea!
[17:29:43] Dagmar: We perform them as an opera and release a full length epic widescreen DVD full of special features.
[17:32:15] MoeGreen: so now it says card 1 (svideo) is set to start on channel 3 which does not exist. Do you want to fix this?
[17:32:33] MoeGreen: it never setup or told it about channels.
[17:32:46] MoeGreen: *i
[17:33:02] Dagmar: That's just someting you can usually ignore
[17:33:12] KaiForce: anyone installed jinzora on a myth box?
[17:33:16] Dagmar: It gibbered about that to me every single time I reset mine up
[17:33:23] Dagmar: I fully expect to see it say that to me again later today
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[17:34:33] Lightning: I have ISOs of my DVDs. Is there a way to get transcode to transcode them, picking the right audio and video channels?
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[17:38:38] philip_: i have a huge folder full of folders with seasons of series on the same server where the mythtv backend runs
[17:38:50] philip_: how can i use that to play back within mythtv?
[17:40:24] clever: mythvideo !
[17:43:33] GreyFoxx: mythvideo with samba/nfs/whatever mounts of the data on the backend
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[17:56:16] ServerSage: So does anybody else notice a brief pause when going into either "Media Library"->"Watch Recordings" or "Manage Recordings"->"Schedule Recordings"->"Program Finder"?
[17:57:06] iamlindoro__: The pause is waiting for the database information to be retreived and parsed.
[17:59:27] ServerSage: iamlindoro: So giving mysql a bunch of memory "may" decrease the pause, but chances are if I really want to speed it up I need to throw more horse power at it because the parsing is the slow part?
[18:00:04] iamlindoro__: I think that's a fairly accurate assessment... how long are you waiting?
[18:01:02] iamlindoro__: My lag is 2–3 seconds with ten or so recordings, I don't imagine you will get it too much lower.
[18:01:22] ServerSage: iamlindoro: Going into watch recordings is about 8 seconds, and going into program finder is usually about 15.
[18:01:31] ServerSage: But I have 1TB worth of recordings.
[18:02:08] iamlindoro__: well that is more likely yout issue in watch recordings... are we talking hundreds of recordings? I don't think myth was designed to deal with so many.
[18:02:41] iamlindoro__: re: program finder, that's an awful long wait, I'd look into your logs with full verbosity to get to the bottom of that one
[18:02:53] iamlindoro__: unless you're one of the freaks with like 6000 channels
[18:04:02] ServerSage: iamlindoro: 389 recordings. And no, I don't have 6000 channels thank GOD. Hehe. Probably around 100. I'll kick up the verbosity and see what is going on I guess. Thanks for the insight.
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[18:04:42] iamlindoro__: no problem... I would archive some of (read: many of) those recordings to MythVideo, which is far better at dealing with big numbers
[18:05:29] iamlindoro__: I keep anything over a week old in a folder structure in MythVideo (Ie Television – Science Fiction -> Torchwood -> Season 1, etc.)
[18:05:33] ServerSage: iamlindoro: It handles it pretty well, except for that pause. And the pause only happens the first time I load Myth. So it's not a "big" deal. It's just annoying when showing somebody MythTV and they say, "My Tivo doesn't do that."
[18:05:54] iamlindoro__: As you like.
[18:06:08] clever: iamlindoro__: ive been keeping every recording as a recording and not moving them to mythvideo
[18:06:19] iamlindoro__: clever, Ok... and?
[18:06:33] clever: dont see a need to push them to mythvideo here
[18:06:39] iamlindoro__: Good for you
[18:07:00] ServerSage: clever: It's all in how you use myth.  :)
[18:07:08] clever: yeah
[18:07:30] clever: ive seen one person with about 10k recordings in the normal recording place!
[18:07:38] clever: thats pushing things:P
[18:07:59] ServerSage: clever: :/ I seriously doubt that. Unless they have 30tb of space.
[18:08:13] MoeGreen: i just ran mythfilldatabase and everything looked to go smoothly, now im back to the terminal window..what the command to start mythtv?
[18:08:30] iamlindoro__: mythfrontend
[18:08:31] ServerSage: MoeGreen: mythfrontend
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[18:12:32] clever_: 23 14:07:59 < ServerSage> clever: :/ I seriously doubt that. Unless they have 30tb of space.
[18:12:36] clever_: 23 14:08:19 < clever> i think he archived over half of it to dvd
[18:12:42] clever_: 23 14:08:23 < clever> while leaving it in the db
[18:12:44] ** clever_ stabs the dsl **
[18:12:46] clever_: 23 14:08:27 < clever> ask psm321
[18:12:56] clever_: this time it was a new error msg:O
[18:12:58] clever_: Jan 23 14:08:06 localhost pppd[13170]: LCP terminated by peer
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[18:18:19] MoeGreen: does it take awhile to populate the program guide, cause mine is empty right now
[18:18:35] iamlindoro__: Nope, should be there as soon as mythfilldatabase is done
[18:19:08] MoeGreen: so i shouldnt be using the directv console at all right? everything is controlled through myth?
[18:19:45] iamlindoro__: You shouldn't be using the directv console at all, but you won't be able to change channels until you install an IR blaster and script channel changing.
[18:20:07] MoeGreen: i can watch live tv just fine but just no program guide
[18:20:10] iamlindoro__: that is to say, there is no way to control your box via s-video
[18:20:25] MoeGreen: cant i use the keyboard to change channels and such?
[18:20:47] iamlindoro__: not until you've set up an IR blaster... how is it going to change channels on your box?
[18:20:59] iamlindoro__: via IR blaster, that's how
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[18:21:52] MoeGreen: so the ir blaster runs from the pc to the directv box?
[18:21:57] iamlindoro__: correct
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[18:22:24] MoeGreen: so thats not the same as these homemade IR remotes that use the serial port right?
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[18:22:47] iamlindoro__: Thsoe are IR Blasters, but IR blasters are also available as USB devices.
[18:23:43] MoeGreen: ok cause i got all the components to build my own with the serial port, but now i got to thinking how does that talk with the directv box if its just plugged into the pc's serial port?
[18:24:41] iamlindoro__: IR blasters emulate remote controls. It connects to your computer via serial and USB and the far end is an IR nub that gets stuck on the front of your box.
[18:25:44] iamlindoro__: You use software on the pc (in this case, LIRC) to define your remote and write a script to send IR commands, ie you change to 211, it invokes the script and sends the IR codes for 2, 1, and 1 via IR
[18:25:57] MoeGreen: but before you said it had to run from the box to your pc.
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[18:26:17] MoeGreen: so you send a signal to the pc from the remote, and that tells the directv box to change channels via svideo or something
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[18:26:27] iamlindoro__: When did I say that?
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[18:26:38] iamlindoro__: <MoeGreen> so the ir blaster runs from the pc to the directv box?
[18:26:38] iamlindoro__: <iamlindoro__> correct
[18:26:45] MoeGreen: ya
[18:27:08] MoeGreen: i follow you, but how does that signal eventually get to the directv box to change channels?
[18:27:11] iamlindoro__: dude, you need to do your research
[18:27:27] iamlindoro__: There is no remote involved. this is getting tiresome. You need to read the myth docs.
[18:27:42] iamlindoro__: It *emulates* your directv remote.
[18:27:56] iamlindoro__: it is a little wire that runs from your PC to a nub stuck on the front fo your directv box.
[18:28:05] iamlindoro__: that emits IR signals.
[18:28:31] iamlindoro__: You use LIRC on your linux box to send thsoe IR pulses to change channels on your directv box just as though it were your remote.
[18:28:44] MoeGreen: ahhhh...ok ok gotcha sorry for the confusion on my end.
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[18:29:08] iamlindoro__: s-video has *nothing* to do with controlling your box. It is just a passive video stream.
[18:29:16] philip_: how do i get mplayer to respect my screen ratio?
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[18:29:22] MoeGreen: ya i got it now
[18:29:26] iamlindoro__: philip_, -monitoraspect 16:9
[18:29:28] iamlindoro__: or 4:3
[18:29:44] clever: ive had to use -monitoraspect 1:1 before a few times
[18:29:51] clever: mplayer thinks my 4:3 nuv files are 1:1
[18:29:53] philip_: thaaaaaaanks
[18:29:54] MoeGreen: thanks so much..lindoro
[18:30:01] iamlindoro__: MoeGreen, no problem
[18:30:13] clever: by tricking it into thinking my 4:3 crt is 1:1 it does no scaling and plays right
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[18:35:17] MoeGreen: one more thing :) should i be using the svideo port or the standard vga port on my graphics card going to my tv.
[18:35:38] MoeGreen: basically when the directv ishooked up via svideo to the tv it looks better then going through the pc's vga
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[18:36:13] MoeGreen: i always though vga was better quality than svideo
[18:36:32] clever: MoeGreen: depends on what the tv can take in
[18:36:32] clever: vga is better quality then svideo but my poor old tv cant take vga
[18:36:52] clever: vga can handle much higher resolutions then svideo
[18:37:01] MoeGreen: my plasma takes vga but it looks crappier then my directv box hooked up to the tv with svideo.
[18:37:40] iamlindoro__: When you input VGA, is that coming from your mythbox?
[18:39:12] iamlindoro__: If so, that's probably your issue. It's going out via analog to your mythbox, recompressed to mpeg-2 by your PVR-150, and reoutput again... huge quality loss in that conversion. The Myth interface should look pretty good, though. If it doesn't, then you should look into your cable, they can go bad.
[18:40:02] clever: ive used my nvidia tvout card under xp with a damn old tv
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[18:40:17] clever: and the quality was so horid i could bearly read any text that wasnt 6 feet tall
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[18:40:42] clever: but on linux with the same desktop/card its extremely high quality
[18:40:55] clever: could have just been the damn old tv and the wiring
[18:41:29] clever: the tv didnt even have inputs i could use, i had to convert the composite to channel 3 with a vcr
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[18:42:25] Aval0n-: guys when you are running the ./configure for source install if it says opengl support = no how can you tell what libs you are missing?
[18:42:49] iamlindoro__: Aval0n-, did you --enable-opengl-video?
[18:42:51] jduggan: normally gl-dev :)
[18:42:52] clever: probly just wants a generic opengl-dev one
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[18:43:15] clever: like that one
[18:43:35] Aval0n-: iamlindoro: no sir
[18:43:41] iamlindoro__: Then that's more likely your issue ;)
[18:43:44] Aval0n-: iamlindoro: do most ppl use opengl
[18:44:02] Aval0n-: I am following the guide on the wiki for 7.04
[18:44:05] iamlindoro__: aval0n-, it's still very new.
[18:44:13] Aval0n-: it forgets to mention to do --prefix=/usr on it
[18:44:30] iamlindoro__: aval0n-, you probably want, at least: --enable-dvb --enable-xvmc --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-opengl-video
[18:44:30] clever: mine runs fine letting prefix default to /usr/local/
[18:44:44] Aval0n-: what about proc-opt
[18:45:32] Aval0n-: clever what distro?
[18:45:41] clever: ubuntu 6.06 is using /usr/local
[18:45:46] Aval0n-: ahh that's why
[18:45:56] clever: the 7.10's are using ==prefix=/media/mainlv/root/7.10/
[18:46:07] clever: which is part of the nfs export for my recordings
[18:46:21] clever: so it gets shared between all 7.10's
[18:46:29] clever: install once and many are upgraded!
[18:46:47] Aval0n-: what does --enable-proc-opt do for ya
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[18:54:15] Lightning: so any ideas how to get transcode to work with an iso vs the actual dvd?
[18:54:38] Lightning: i tried loop mounting the iso but it kept waiting on the dvd drive
[18:54:38] clever: you need to extract the vob files
[18:54:55] clever: if its waiting on the real drive then you didnt do the loop mount right
[18:55:21] Lightning: i did a loop mount then pointed mythtv at the loop mount instead of /dev/dvd but it kept waiting on the drive (from it's msg)
[18:55:43] Lightning: i can extract the vob files but i'm not sure of the steps to get transcode to work the same way it does in the menu
[18:55:44] clever: mount path/to/file.iso /media/dvd/ -o loop
[18:55:51] clever: then let myth look in the default place of /media/dvd/
[18:56:07] Lightning: did that, pointed myth to /media/dvd (it was /dev/dvd) kept on waiting for drive ready
[18:56:25] clever: but myth may try and copy the vob files right out of the block device
[18:56:27] Lightning: so i have to assume /dev/dvd gives raw/direct access to the dvd drive with extra commands
[18:56:50] clever: to decrypt the dvd content you need to know the sector location of the data
[18:56:58] clever: which you cant get off a mounted fs without root
[18:57:16] clever: so most dvd playing programs read the FS off the block device and get the info without the kernels help
[18:57:45] clever: but i think theres some uniq serial on the disk itself related to the encryption
[18:57:50] clever: which isnt captured in the iso
[18:57:51] Lightning: i can extract and decrypt the vob files but would like to pass the info to transcode and let it do all the work for me in the background
[18:58:14] clever: brb
[18:59:14] clever: yay
[18:59:19] clever: 250gig drive has arived!
[18:59:42] clever: should hold another 10–20 days of SOLID recording which i rarely do
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[19:01:00] Aval0n-: if you run a make install while an old version of mythbackened/frontend is running, will it still overwrite the files?
[19:01:12] Aval0n-: or will it give something like a sharing violation
[19:02:31] clever: it will truncate and copy into
[19:02:34] clever: causing all the myth programs to crash with a bus error
[19:02:46] Aval0n-: ahh ok
[19:02:52] clever: ive patched one of my qt headers to cp --remove-destination ....
[19:02:55] Aval0n-: so then it will still install okay :)
[19:02:55] clever: which 'fixes' that
[19:03:12] clever: yeah it will install but it will also kill any myth stuff your in the middle of
[19:03:21] Aval0n-: yeah nothing important going on
[19:03:25] clever: so you cant install while recording and restart afterwards
[19:03:32] Aval0n-: right.
[19:03:39] Aval0n-: thanks for your help/info
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[19:05:01] Aval0n-: as long as I have my database already there, it should be a pretty seemless update correct?
[19:05:29] [-clever-]`ca: yeah
[19:05:35] [-clever-]`ca: when you run any myth prog
[19:05:39] [-clever-]`ca: it checks the version of the db
[19:05:44] [-clever-]`ca: and upgrades if needed
[19:06:06] [-clever-]`ca: but it lacks the ability to downgrade the db so once you update you cant go back without manualy undoing things
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[19:23:37] iamlindoro__: MoeGreen, I am not authenticated and cannot reply to your PM... Yes, that's the best you can get it to look. You would have comparable or better results if you had a way to receive a digital stream, but none exists.
[19:23:53] iamlindoro__: Not for DirecTV, anyway
[19:23:59] MoeGreen: crap! ok thx
[19:24:10] iamlindoro__: np
[19:24:41] MoeGreen: i guess i can live with it, if i can get the freaking program guide to work :)
[19:25:16] iamlindoro__: MoeGreen, You set up a lineup at SchedulesDirect, right?
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[19:25:47] MoeGreen: ya it was scheduledirect (internal) and i used the username and password that i setup on their membership site
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[19:25:57] iamlindoro__: Right, but on the schedulesdirect site
[19:26:01] iamlindoro__: did you set up a lineup
[19:26:07] MoeGreen: oh let me check
[19:26:10] iamlindoro__: Heh
[19:26:18] MoeGreen: duh..no
[19:26:21] iamlindoro__: Otherwise, how is it going to know where you live and what listings you want? Magic?
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[19:27:03] iamlindoro__: There's why you don't have listings ;)
[19:27:55] iamlindoro__: You need to set up a lineup, go back into mythtv-setup, have it fetch the lineups from the listings source, exit mythtv, and rerun mythfilldatabase
[19:28:12] iamlindoro__: There are official docs for a reason ya know ;)
[19:28:27] MoeGreen: ok 1 more thing for now i promise...how are people running their sound? Should i run the sound from my directv box to my pvr150 as well?
[19:28:36] iamlindoro__: Yes
[19:28:54] iamlindoro__: Unless you like silent recordings
[19:29:07] [-clever-]`ca: iamlindoro__: it is posible for unregistered users to pm others
[19:29:22] [-clever-]`ca: the target simply needs to set a special mode to allow that 'spam' to reach them
[19:29:35] MoeGreen: and then use the onboard soundcard on my motherboard to the tv?
[19:29:49] iamlindoro__: MoeGreen, yes
[19:29:55] MoeGreen: 10–4
[19:29:59] MoeGreen: thanks again
[19:30:27] iamlindoro__: [-clever-]`ca, I never said it was impossible, how do you propose I tell him to do so when said mode is not set?
[19:30:54] [-clever-]`ca: explain it breiftly thru the channel
[19:31:02] iamlindoro__: [-clever-]`ca, that would be a waste of time
[19:31:05] Dagmar: Awww man
[19:31:06] iamlindoro__: as is this conversation
[19:31:10] Dagmar: The firmware page on the ivtv wiki is wrong
[19:31:10] [-clever-]`ca: lol
[19:31:14] iamlindoro__: Stop showing how smart you are
[19:31:14] Dagmar: suuuck
[19:31:46] iamlindoro__: MoeGreen, no problem
[19:31:48] [-clever-]`ca: Dagmar: then fix it;P
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[19:32:41] Dagmar: [-clever-]`ca: If I knew for sure what was RIGHT I would
[19:32:53] [-clever-]`ca: you could atleast mark it as broken
[19:32:54] Dagmar: I just know that this new build I've had has some ugly video corruption
[19:33:19] [-clever-]`ca: ive had an artifact in my pvr150 since day 1
[19:33:23] Dagmar: [-clever-]`ca: Considering that the page says a file that is supposed to be shipping with ivtv *isn't* it's pretty obvious
[19:33:50] [-clever-]`ca: i never actualy had to muck with the firmware files
[19:34:09] [-clever-]`ca: Dagmar: http://156.34.231.221:81/index.py/mythtv/shot0001.png/_full_
[19:34:17] [-clever-]`ca: Dagmar: you know what might cause that artifact?
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[19:35:14] Der-Tim: hi there
[19:36:05] Der-Tim: i'm actually facing a really strange problem: i can't watch different channels (all in one bouquet) with mythtv, but i can watch these channels with mplayer etc... any ideas?
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[19:40:16] Dagmar: Those dashed vertical lines? No idea
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[19:41:46] [-clever-]`ca: Dagmar: best i can tell they are ALLWAYS about 590 pixels from the left
[19:42:02] [-clever-]`ca: Dagmar: so capturing video thats 592 wide puts them right on the edge and out of sight
[19:44:37] Dagmar: That sounds like a defective tuner to me
[19:44:53] [-clever-]`ca: feels like damage to the mpeg encoder to me
[19:45:15] iamlindoro__: easy to test that
[19:45:20] iamlindoro__: mplayer /dev/video32
[19:45:25] [-clever-]`ca: im thinking the thing stores a few lines of the image in some specialized buffer which encodes it in very few clock cycles
[19:45:25] iamlindoro__: and bypass the encoder
[19:45:33] [-clever-]`ca: and a few bits of the buffer are damaged
[19:45:59] iamlindoro__: mplayer -rawvideo format=hm12:h=480:w=720:fps=29.97 -nocache -demuxer
[19:45:59] iamlindoro__: 26 /dev/video32 -framedrop -vo xv
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[19:46:08] iamlindoro__: and then you'll know if it's the mpeg encoder or now.
[19:46:09] iamlindoro__: er not
[19:46:19] [-clever-]`ca: iamlindoro: defect still present(on video1)
[19:46:29] iamlindoro__: use video32
[19:46:32] [-clever-]`ca: ah
[19:46:35] iamlindoro__: that bypasses the encoder
[19:46:38] iamlindoro__: again.
[19:46:54] iamlindoro__: just use the line I typed.
[19:47:03] [-clever-]`ca: yeah i heard something of one of the dev nodes acting like a frame grabber
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[19:47:58] [-clever-]`ca: artifact still there when using
[19:48:03] [-clever-]`ca: mythtv@theP4:~$ mplayer -rawvideo format=hm12:h=480:w=720:fps=29.97 -nocache -demuxer 26 /dev/video32 -framedrop -vo xv
[19:48:09] iamlindoro__: then it's not the encoder. It's the tuner.
[19:48:45] [-clever-]`ca: and its horidly garbled if i try the w=592 that works in myth
[19:48:56] [-clever-]`ca: i also suspect it was returned to the store
[19:49:01] [-clever-]`ca: the box is slightly torn
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[19:52:53] at0m|c: hi, i wonder if pvr350 would do simultaneous FM radio and TV?
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[19:53:47] clever[rev]: at0m|c: if i was lazy id use the mp3 encoder from the tv side to compress the radio, when designing the board
[19:53:47] mkrufky: hi, i wonder if i ask similar questions in two different irc chat rooms, will i get an answer?
[19:53:51] clever[rev]: its probly also cheaper
[19:54:49] at0m|c: clever[rev], so it does just one of both at any given time..
[19:54:59] clever[rev]: thats what im guessing
[19:55:28] clever[rev]: no idea if the radio mode has a pure soundcard mode which doesnt compress to mp3, thus freeing it up for tv
[19:55:51] clever[rev]: similar to how the tv inputs have framegrabber modes to free the encoder up
[19:55:52] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, How are things coming on the you-know-what?
[19:55:58] mkrufky: clever[rev]: i totally answered him in #v4l
[19:56:21] clever[rev]: iamlindoro__: that gives me an idea, can i mpeg encode svideo WHILE i framegrab the tuner on the SAME pvr150?
[19:56:32] mkrufky: iamlindoro__: the driver will be available when the product is available
[19:56:40] mkrufky: iamlindoro__: and i cant say anything more
[19:56:40] clever[rev]: or does it only have 1 set of curcuits to decode the actual video signal
[19:56:55] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, Cool! That's great news. I'm sure you know, but people are all a-twitter ;)
[19:56:56] mkrufky: (about THAT)
[19:57:03] mkrufky: all a-twitter?
[19:57:12] mkrufky: also, to clear something up — im not writing the linux driver
[19:57:21] iamlindoro__: psyched, excited, etc.
[19:57:22] clever[rev]: internaly it could just be framegrabbing into the mpeg2 encoder chip
[19:57:22] mkrufky: but that doesnt matter — _someone_ is
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[19:57:31] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, ah, ok, noted.
[19:57:40] mkrufky: yeah some people priv IM'd me about it
[19:57:54] mkrufky: OTOH, i finished hvr1950 last night
[19:58:13] mkrufky: that is pvrusb2 + atsc / qam
[19:58:18] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, tell your powers-that-be that we need pictures, btw
[19:58:22] Max0: hi, can anyone help me? ive just installed mythtv – ive used dvb scan and got a list of stations and can get a picture... but i cant seem to set up mythtv to scan and find any channels
[19:58:24] mkrufky: lol
[19:58:29] mkrufky: no pictures allowed
[19:58:39] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, awwwwww
[19:58:41] mkrufky: the device here on my desk is a board with no plastics
[19:58:46] at0m|c: mkrufky, i was asking a more specific pvr350 question here eh
[19:58:47] mkrufky: and we cant tell you the chips inside of it
[19:58:55] mkrufky: whomever buys is first will have to crack it open
[19:59:06] mkrufky: but there _will_ be open source drivers, so worry not
[19:59:11] at0m|c: i was getting food of the fire, so was afk for a bit
[19:59:25] iamlindoro__: hey, I'll buy a boxload, you guys just need to take some pre-orders :)
[19:59:58] mkrufky: see the www page for info about pre-orders
[20:00:02] iamlindoro__: you guys said playfully, of course, and not blame-fully
[20:00:23] mkrufky: ^^ huh?
[20:00:46] iamlindoro__: Didn't want it to come across as, "You guys get off your asses already"
[20:00:50] mkrufky: lol
[20:01:11] mkrufky: new years just passed, and we said Q1 2008
[20:01:15] mkrufky: so............ chill ;-)
[20:01:34] iamlindoro__: If there's a product page for it, it's not obvious
[20:01:53] mkrufky: no product page
[20:01:56] alexvd: iamlindoro: are u talking with mkrufky about the directv tuner or is it another capture card product
[20:01:58] mkrufky: only press releases
[20:02:18] mkrufky: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/googl . . . ;newsLang=en
[20:02:58] alexvd: Cool I will buy 4 right now!!
[20:03:00] Max0: anyone?
[20:03:04] iamlindoro__: alexvd, exactly.  ;)
[20:03:18] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, You guys have a monster on your hands
[20:03:28] mkrufky: ?
[20:03:37] iamlindoro__: in a good way
[20:03:38] mkrufky: "monster"
[20:03:42] alexvd: mkrufky: u make me happy!!!
[20:03:52] iamlindoro__: ie, monster product, giong to be 'yuuuuge
[20:03:54] iamlindoro__: er going
[20:04:00] mkrufky: ah
[20:04:09] mkrufky: we know it :-)
[20:04:14] alexvd: mkrufky: you guys bought Globespan right?
[20:04:24] directhex: mkrufky, this is going to have a driver in kernel.org upstream eventually, i hope?
[20:04:29] mkrufky: im just a software engineer
[20:04:39] directhex: mkrufky, not just a tarball to download seperately
[20:04:40] mkrufky: i dont know who buys who and what happens where and when
[20:04:50] mkrufky: omg, are you serious?
[20:04:52] alexvd: Have lots of friends who worked in NJ
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[20:05:08] mkrufky: Two core linuxtv developers work at Hauppauge
[20:05:10] mkrufky: Steve and I
[20:05:14] mkrufky: we submit our code to the kernel
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[20:05:23] directhex: mkrufky, just checking
[20:05:32] mkrufky: we dont do farked up tarballs that ask for users to email us with tech support questions
[20:05:40] mkrufky: we submit to the kernel, and everybody is happy
[20:05:48] mkrufky: oops... i just realized how flawed that ^^ was
[20:05:53] mkrufky: i have NOTHIGN to do with dvb-s2
[20:05:56] mkrufky: hehehehe
[20:06:08] mkrufky: thats a whole other developer debacle
[20:06:11] directhex: so when does hauppauge start sticking tux on product boxes, then?
[20:06:29] mkrufky: hauppauge doesnt make linux drivers
[20:06:31] mkrufky: steve and i do
[20:06:36] mkrufky: in our personal spare time
[20:06:41] mkrufky: because we just crazy like that
[20:06:57] alexvd: mkrufky: do you have a personal page or blog we can goto?
[20:07:09] mkrufky: i do, but please dont go there
[20:07:12] mkrufky: (no you will)
[20:07:12] mkrufky: lol
[20:07:18] mkrufky: i havent updated it in years
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[20:07:25] clever[rev]: im assuming you may have access to private datasheets on the card specs
[20:07:33] clever[rev]: which is probly what helps you so much in writing the drivers
[20:07:46] mkrufky: my last blog entry talks about "yay, i got fusionhdtv4 gold t working in linux .... i think i'll play with v4l some more and see what happens" or something
[20:07:56] mkrufky: oops. fusionhdtv3 fold t
[20:07:58] mkrufky: Godl
[20:08:00] mkrufky: bah
[20:08:33] Kyler: Last week I was here asking about RF remotes (to replace my lame ATI remote). Someone suggested the SnapStream. I just received a couple. They're great! I plan to get more.
[20:08:40] directhex: mkrufky, okay, maybe you can answer this – who at hauppauge decided a USB CI slot was a good idea? surely that's just inviting softcammery?
[20:08:40] mkrufky: yes, i have access to whatever i need. .... but...... if the spec is marked proprietary, im not allowed to release even my own code without manufacturer;'s permission
[20:08:52] mkrufky: thats why i have some drivers written yet still unreleased
[20:08:52] clever[rev]: Kyler: how much did they cost?
[20:09:22] mkrufky: directhex: i write linux drivers because i just love it and im a total dork
[20:09:28] mkrufky: feel free to ask me anything about this ^^
[20:09:35] mkrufky: i cant disclose *any* company secrets
[20:09:43] clever[rev]: mkrufky: yeah you could reverse engineer the specs from the drivers and then clone the card
[20:09:52] mkrufky: i COULD, but thats no fun
[20:09:53] Kyler: clever[rev]: Uh...lessee...$50 each. I bought them here. http://www.snapstream.com/products/firefly/buynow.asp
[20:10:14] clever[rev]: mkrufky: i mean some1 else if you released the drivers for a proprietary card
[20:10:33] Kyler: I'm curious if the SnapStream can be changed to a different "channel" like the ATI.
[20:10:51] Kyler: That would allow me to use multiple remotes for different settop boxes in the house.
[20:11:20] clever[rev]: Kyler: the remote i was going to get is 29$ before shiping
[20:11:28] clever[rev]: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/accessories/5a20/
[20:11:38] clever[rev]: ir so diff rooms wont mess with eachother
[20:11:59] mkrufky: alexvd: my blog , as pathetic as it is, is located at mike.krufky.com
[20:12:06] mkrufky: and it totally sucks
[20:12:11] mkrufky: maybe one day i will update it
[20:12:19] mkrufky: i want to document *all* the v4l/dvb work ive done
[20:12:28] mkrufky: but i think it would take me 3 months of sundays to do it
[20:12:35] mkrufky: and writing new drivers is more fun
[20:12:36] mkrufky: :-D
[20:12:43] clever[rev]: mkrufky: you seen http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=40 ?
[20:13:16] mkrufky: wow, very cool
[20:13:30] clever[rev]: he managed to erase the security bits without clearng the flash
[20:13:41] mkrufky: see if that guy can figure out how the pic on the dvico cards work for dma audio
[20:13:47] clever[rev]: basicaly
[20:13:50] clever[rev]: he just ate the top off with acid
[20:13:54] clever[rev]: covered the flash with tape
[20:13:54] mkrufky: ya
[20:14:04] clever[rev]: and erased the security with uv light at just the right anglee
[20:14:15] Kyler: clever[rev]: What's the remote?
[20:14:29] Kyler: clever[rev]: Oops! I see...
[20:14:33] clever[rev]: Kyler: the one i was going to get is a streamzap
[20:14:42] clever[rev]: Kyler: but dad hinted not to buy myself stuff before xmas
[20:14:52] clever[rev]: Kyler: then i got a whole pvr 150(with remote and receiver)
[20:15:00] clever[rev]: MUCH better then the frame grabber i was using:P
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[20:15:20] clever[rev]: mkrufky: ive seen similar info being done with a wifi usb stick
[20:15:27] blizzkid: lo all. I have loaded em28xx driver, but don't have a /dev/video0. What am I missing?
[20:15:30] Kyler: clever[rev]: I've got four PVR-250s that I plan to start removing. I need an RF (not IR) remote though.
[20:15:44] clever[rev]: mkrufky: the stick has a batery and lcd display to scan for networks without a pc
[20:15:59] clever[rev]: mkrufky: some1 started hacking it to try and put a small os so you could get email with JUST the usb stick
[20:16:28] clever[rev]: mkrufky: http://wifi.openschemes.com/
[20:16:54] clever[rev]: by eating the top off the ic he was able to read the REAL model # and stuff and find the datasheet
[20:17:23] clever[rev]: then using the isp interface he was able to dl the flash without needing to abuse bugs in the bootloader program that reflashed thru usb
[20:17:46] iamlindoro__: blizzkid, If I had to guess, since oyu're not telling us what card you have, I'd say you don't have the firmware installed.
[20:18:03] iamlindoro__: er s/oyu're/you're/
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[20:18:36] iamlindoro__: Even if you're not on Ubuntu, this may help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/em28xx
[20:19:28] blizzkid: iamlindoro, I followed that. My card is the pinnacle 320cx (expresscard hybrid), which should be (according to google) be the same as the USB hybrid card
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[20:19:56] iamlindoro__: Hmph, guess he didn't want help that bad
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[20:20:24] iamlindoro__: blizzkid, did you confirm your card has linux support?
[20:20:25] blizzkid: sorry, xchat crashed on me
[20:20:50] blizzkid: iamlindoro, the USB one has, so if this card is technically the same, it should be supported
[20:21:16] iamlindoro__: Looks like the driver is only under development to me
[20:21:21] iamlindoro__: http://www.comerma.net/pinnacle320cx_en.html
[20:22:06] blizzkid: iamlindoro, I found that too, but I've seen different posts stating the 320cx is the same as the 320e (usb)
[20:22:19] iamlindoro__: Having the same chips doesn't mean it's supported
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[20:22:55] Dagmar: Damn
[20:22:57] iamlindoro__: http://lists-archives.org/video4linux/20917-d . . . d-320cx.html
[20:23:08] iamlindoro__: That thread is from this month and suggests there is no working driver yet.
[20:23:26] iamlindoro__: I think you are out of luck for now.
[20:24:12] blizzkid: mmz, _if_ the 320cx is indeed the same as the 320e, wouldn't there be a way to get it working easily?
[20:24:43] iamlindoro__: If it's the same chipset, then writing a driver shouldn't be terribly difficult, but it still needs a driver.
[20:25:12] blizzkid: couldn't one use the 320e driver then?
[20:25:15] iamlindoro__: No.
[20:25:43] bsdfox: ALSA, Warning: mmap not available, attempting to fall back to slow writes.
[20:26:02] blizzkid: can you explain that a bit further? I tend to think a driver would work for identical hardware?
[20:26:04] bsdfox: anyone ever seen that bs? I upgraded my workstation to 4gb ram and now sound doesn't work..
[20:26:17] clever: mkrufky: http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=147
[20:26:20] ** clever drools..... **
[20:26:20] bsdfox: it's not a myth problem but mythtv is the only thing that complains about mmap
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[20:26:55] iamlindoro__: blizzkid, It is *not* identical hardware, it's a totally different interface. I've explained this, and provided you with links from *this month* from the v4l mailing list showing that work is being done on a driver for that exact product, verifying that it doesn't work yet. What else do you want from me??
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[20:27:12] blizzkid: iamlindoro?
[20:27:18] iamlindoro__: ?
[20:27:46] blizzkid: could you explain why another driver won't work even though the hardware is the same?
[20:27:53] clever: 'Other booths are professional setups with uniformed staff and work like a bar for electronic components, complete with bar stools.'
[20:27:54] clever: lol
[20:27:57] ** iamlindoro__ mashes his head in the table. **
[20:28:15] mkrufky: "reels of rare ceramic capacitors that I only dream about at night"
[20:28:17] mkrufky: LOL
[20:28:21] iamlindoro__: blizzkid, read this, *again*. The hardware is not identical. the *chips* are identical. The hardware/implementation is not.
[20:28:56] blizzkid: *again*? It's the first time I see this line (xchat crashed)
[20:29:25] bbrooks: hey guys, when I run mythfrontend, my resolutions gets all HUGE. haha It's so huge I can't navigate..
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[20:29:59] iamlindoro__: <iamlindoro__> blizzkid, It is *not* identical hardware, it's a totally different interface. I've explained this, and provided you with links from *this month* from the v4l mailing list showing that work is being done on a driver for that exact product, verifying that it doesn't work yet. What else do you want from me??
[20:30:13] bbrooks: is there a config that I can change?
[20:30:46] blizzkid: sorry iamlindoro, but I must have missed that response due too xchat crashing
[20:30:58] iamlindoro__: ok
[20:31:57] blizzkid: guess I bought myself a 200 dollar paperweight then, coz it's not working in win xp nor vista either :(
[20:32:46] iamlindoro__: blizzkid, The fact that it is being worked on now indicates there should be a driver in the semi-near future. It could be a lot worse.
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[20:34:46] blizzkid: that's true too iamlindoro
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[20:48:37] rooaus: clever: You get what you pay for at those markets, we bought a reel of OTP PICs for some prototyping (long story) but when we got them the write protect bits had been programmed.
[20:48:56] clever: ouch
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[20:49:23] clever: rooaus: using one of my links above you could reset that but then you would have a gaping hole in every ic
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[20:50:30] rooaus: It was pretty funny really, I think it was from the market listed as well. But you can get some good deals as well... just got to be careful.
[20:51:20] clever: yeah
[20:51:33] clever: you could make a programer out of another pic
[20:51:43] clever: which burns a self test prog into a 2nd pic
[20:51:53] clever: and then they poke at eachother to self test
[20:52:07] clever: then you could whip it out of your pocket and test a few before buying the batch
[20:52:25] mkrufky: sorry for disappearing, got very busy here
[20:52:53] mkrufky: eh, looks like i didnt miss much
[20:52:58] clever: moving my crap out of this usb hdd is taking forever
[20:53:07] clever: i'll just leave lvm spread over 5 drives for now
[20:53:50] clever: damn usb 1.0
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[21:07:20] Aval0n-: hey guys I am getting this during compile of mytharchive
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[21:07:24] Aval0n-: http://pastebin.org/16709
[21:07:34] Aval0n-: can anyone help me figure out what I need to do?
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[21:17:20] Aval0n-: iamlindoro: around? :)
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[21:20:48] rooaus: Aval0n-: Have you done the standard make distclean?
[21:20:59] Aval0n-: yes sir I have
[21:21:13] Aval0n-: i even tried skipping the make of mytharchive\
[21:21:26] Aval0n-: by not doing --enable-mytharchive
[21:21:30] Aval0n-: still wants to compile it
[21:21:46] iamlindoro__: you need to do --disable-mytharchive, not just forgo --enable
[21:21:55] Aval0n-: ok
[21:22:04] Aval0n-: I would _LIKE_ mytharchive though
[21:22:04] iamlindoro__: It enables everything it has the deps for by default
[21:22:07] Aval0n-: dunno why it's breaking
[21:22:21] clever: removing depends also kills it but may have side effects
[21:22:47] mkrufky: blizzkid is asking the same questions now in #v4l that he asked here
[21:22:53] iamlindoro__: Generally it's because it is attempting to use wrong versions of myth libraries due to wrong --prefix or old packaged versions being installed
[21:23:05] mkrufky: he's a minute away from getting /kick'd
[21:23:05] Aval0n-: hmm
[21:23:07] iamlindoro__: mkrufky, Well I mean look at me, I clearly have no fucking idea what I'm talking about
[21:23:10] Aval0n-: I installed mythtv first
[21:23:15] Aval0n-: then this
[21:23:18] Aval0n-: from trunk
[21:23:25] Aval0n-: unless they JUST updated within the last hour
[21:23:28] mkrufky: pisses me off... as is wasting 1 person's time isnt enough
[21:23:31] Aval0n-: and I got a different mythplugins version
[21:23:35] mkrufky: s/is/if
[21:24:01] Aval0n-: it just did the same error on mythbroswer for me
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[21:24:49] iamlindoro__: aval0n-, it is almost certainly that it's seeing a wrong version of libmyth
[21:24:58] iamlindoro__: did you remove all your packaged stuff before starting?
[21:25:05] Aval0n-: no, I did not
[21:25:13] Aval0n-: well
[21:25:13] iamlindoro__: That's probably what you are running into here.
[21:25:15] Aval0n-: it was old svn
[21:25:41] iamlindoro__: are you using --prefix=/usr, or /usr/local?
[21:25:50] Aval0n-: --prefix=/usr
[21:25:52] iamlindoro__: and you are certain you used the same for both TV and plugins?
[21:25:56] Aval0n-: on both mythtv and mythplugins
[21:26:00] Aval0n-: yes
[21:26:02] Aval0n-: I'm certain
[21:26:10] Aval0n-: I made triple sure
[21:26:43] iamlindoro__: and you're sure myth compiled successfully and you did make install?
[21:26:49] Aval0n-: I did
[21:26:55] Aval0n-: make install worked, no errors
[21:26:58] iamlindoro__: ls -al /usr/include/mythtv/libmythtv
[21:27:01] iamlindoro__: and look at the modify dates
[21:27:09] DGnome: If mythtv could detect vido framerates and set the correct refresh-rate for the xserver, my problems would be solved.
[21:27:30] Aval0n-: 11-17–07
[21:27:30] DGnome: s/vido/video
[21:27:37] iamlindoro__: Aval0n-, see?
[21:27:42] Aval0n-: =/
[21:27:58] Aval0n-: maybe is it support to be /usr/local prefix for feisty I wonder
[21:28:02] Aval0n-: I thought it was /usr
[21:28:12] iamlindoro__: either should work as long as you are consistent
[21:28:13] Aval0n-: I know I specified --prefix=/usr on both
[21:28:36] iamlindoro__: ls -al /usr/local/include/mythtv/libmythtv
[21:28:40] iamlindoro__: and see if there are files there
[21:28:44] iamlindoro__: and mod dates if so
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[21:29:09] Aval0n-: lsobral: /usr/local/include/mythtv/libmythtv: No such file or directory
[21:29:18] Aval0n-: ./configure --enable-proc-opt --enable-dvb --enable-xvmc --enable-opengl-vsync -
[21:29:20] Aval0n-: -enable-opengl-video --prefix=/usr
[21:29:29] Aval0n-: that's from .bash_history
[21:30:06] iamlindoro__: it's pretty obvious that make isntall didn't work right
[21:30:09] iamlindoro__: install
[21:30:14] iamlindoro__: you did it as root, yes?
[21:30:17] iamlindoro__: or at least sudo?
[21:30:28] Aval0n-: yes
[21:30:30] Aval0n-: as root
[21:30:31] iamlindoro__: try again
[21:30:32] Aval0n-: I hate sudo
[21:30:34] Aval0n-: ok I shall
[21:30:35] Aval0n-: thnx
[21:31:21] iamlindoro__: and figure out by checking the mod dates when it works right, and once correct libmyth is in there, you should be set to compile plugins.
[21:31:30] iamlindoro__: np
[21:31:44] Aval0n-: thnx a ton I will check when it's done with the make install
[21:32:00] iamlindoro__: np
[21:32:41] Aval0n-: has there been many changes to mythtv trunk and plugins past about a month?
[21:32:49] Aval0n-: I think my last svn indstall was 14xxx
[21:32:55] iamlindoro__: uh... yeah. Like 1000 revisions.
[21:32:56] Aval0n-: install*
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[21:33:22] Aval0n-: cool thanks man
[21:33:34] iamlindoro__: most notably the multirec merge.
[21:33:59] Aval0n-: ahh for mutliple shows on same multiplex record?
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[21:34:03] iamlindoro__: yep
[21:34:08] Aval0n-: very cool
[21:34:28] Aval0n-: mythtv kinda caters to ppl with analog cable doesn't it?
[21:34:41] iamlindoro__: Not at all!
[21:34:55] Aval0n-: really?
[21:35:01] Aval0n-: because I want to move off analog
[21:35:04] iamlindoro__: you know you can't do multirec on analog, right?
[21:35:13] Aval0n-: but I want to still be able to record something while I watch another
[21:35:16] Aval0n-: yes
[21:35:21] Aval0n-: but I pull the local HD QAM chans
[21:35:25] iamlindoro__: so how does it cater to analog?
[21:35:31] Aval0n-: and I know that 4 of the chans are on the same multiplex
[21:35:35] iamlindoro__: HD QAM is digital, and multiplexed.
[21:35:50] Aval0n-: because for mythtv to do it's own tuning
[21:35:51] Aval0n-: it needs analoge
[21:35:58] iamlindoro__: uhh.... no it doesn't.
[21:36:08] Aval0n-: if I want to get my dish tv working which has 2 tuners in it
[21:36:13] Aval0n-: I need firewire or ir blasters
[21:36:17] Aval0n-: ir blasters = ghetto
[21:36:29] iamlindoro__: Myth is tuning itself with your HD QAM
[21:36:34] Aval0n-: I'de love to pay for some basic HD service and have my myth control it
[21:36:39] Aval0n-: right
[21:37:03] Aval0n-: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 964 2008-01–23 14:33 recordingtypes.h
[21:37:03] Aval0n-: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3654 2008-01–23 14:33 remoteutil.h
[21:37:12] Aval0n-: slightly better
[21:37:14] iamlindoro__: looks good
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[21:37:33] peoples: hey guys .. :9
[21:37:34] peoples: :)
[21:38:07] iamlindoro__: anyway, aval0n-, most of Myth's better features are aimed at digital reception, not analog.
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[21:39:24] Aval0n-: so would it be possible for me to get a digital service and somehow still have mythtv record 2 seperate channels?
[21:39:27] peoples: how is it possible to secure only one module under mythweb with apache ?
[21:39:48] iamlindoro__: Aval0n-, depends on what your cable company allows you... but the issue is with them, not myth.
[21:39:58] xris: peoples: ssl? no
[21:40:04] Aval0n-: the whole reason I went with analog is because I have a pvr500 and a Kworld 115 so I can really record 2 shows and watch 1 at the same time
[21:40:10] Aval0n-: true
[21:40:11] iamlindoro__: Aval0n-, If you get everything via QAM, that's digital and you can record multiplexes.
[21:40:22] Aval0n-: interesting
[21:40:30] iamlindoro__: So you can record two off a mux with the kworld, if you want, or even more
[21:40:32] peoples: no not ssl , i mean directly in apache.conf with digest
[21:40:45] iamlindoro__: but you are limited by what your cable co sends in the clear
[21:40:49] iamlindoro__: and that may not be much
[21:40:54] Aval0n-: only if the 2 chans happen to be in the same multiplex?
[21:41:00] iamlindoro__: correct.
[21:41:12] Aval0n-: right now I get all my locals via QAM
[21:41:14] Aval0n-: and ESPN
[21:41:28] iamlindoro__: then any of those on the same mux could be recorded simultaneously.
[21:41:28] peoples: so that everyone can see the mainpage of mythweb but by clicking video -> passphrase
[21:41:50] Aval0n-: those plugins seem the be compiling now iamlindoro, thanks
[21:41:53] iamlindoro__: np
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[21:42:04] clever: managed to get my lvm working with a PV on nbd
[21:42:05] xris: peoples: could do it with locationmatch directives
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[21:44:17] peoples: xirs: u mean <LocationMatch "/mythweb/gallery">
[21:44:18] peoples: ?
[21:44:33] xris: peoples: something like that, yeah.
[21:44:42] xris: and just require valid-user from within that
[21:44:43] peoples: within the <Directory> tag ?
[21:44:52] xris: no.. use locationmatch, not directory
[21:45:07] xris: mythweb's url stuff is all virtual, so directory won't work
[21:45:21] peoples: k thanks .. i'll test it .. ;)
[21:45:23] xris: and it needs to go in the vhost definition, not htaccess (locationmatch doesn't work in htaccess)
[21:45:37] xris: look in svn trunk for a good sample mythweb apache conf file
[21:46:28] peoples: i use the svn trunk and der mythweb.conf
[21:48:11] peoples: what i realy want is to secure the whole mythweb with digest (works great with the mythweb.conf) but to secure /mythweb/video/ with a other user
[21:48:45] peoples: to send the url/mythweb/video link to users and the can view only this module
[21:49:17] xris: possibly easier to just set up a second instance of mythweb
[21:50:49] peoples: right i've thougt the same , but to easy ... i'll learn something about apache .. :D
[21:54:50] peoples: here like this
[21:54:54] peoples: http://irishmark.co.uk/mythweb/
[21:55:19] Aval0n-: iamlindoro: configure and make install on mythplugins seems to have worked
[21:55:24] peoples: u can navigate around but some sections are protected
[21:55:28] Aval0n-: I guess I'll test it out when I get home
[21:55:59] Aval0n-: xris: you're funny dude, it's like you are always watching, but only say something if someone talks about mythweb :P
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[21:57:05] iamlindoro__: aval0n-, glad it seems to be working, let me know
[21:57:18] leprasmurf: hello all, I'm migrating from knoppmyth to mythbuntu, and want to bring my scheduled recordings table, can anyone tell me what table I need to import?
[21:58:11] xris: Aval0n-: that might actually be true... since I'm usually doing other things and IRC makes noise when people talk about mythweb/nuvexport/me
[21:58:18] JenZ: hi all, just a very quick question. I just noticed mythtv. I was looking to turn my old xbox into a nas but ... i have a spare P4 in the basement and think this mythtv-project is a superb thing to install on it. The thing i miss on my xbox is a webbrowser, and i read http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInfo that the owner wanted to browse the web but i cant find a screenshot of a browser. Is it included?
[21:59:07] iamlindoro__: yes, MythBrowser, which is based on Konqueror, and you can compile it in
[21:59:18] iamlindoro__: or install from packages, of course
[21:59:47] JenZ: tnx, but i just saw leprasmurf saying something about mythbuntu
[21:59:57] JenZ: this seems nice! a 'ready' os?
[22:00:24] leprasmurf: well, I didn't do it the traditional way because I was migrating an LVM
[22:00:25] JenZ: i just started downloading fedora, but i guess i don't really need the full os then?
[22:00:51] leprasmurf: so I basically had to use the "Alternative install" and use synaptic to install the rest of mythbuntu
[22:00:56] iamlindoro__: Correct, it's a distro made specifically for myth.
[22:00:58] leprasmurf: but yeah, I'm liking it so far
[22:01:02] iamlindoro__: Also see Mythdora, knoppmyth, etc.
[22:02:02] leprasmurf: so does anyone know what table the recording schedule is held in?
[22:02:08] clever: record
[22:02:10] clever: i beleive
[22:02:17] peoples: record
[22:02:20] peoples: or recorded
[22:02:27] peoples: i think .. :)
[22:02:33] leprasmurf: cool, ty
[22:02:54] leprasmurf: I've already imported recorded, that's for what's in your /myth/tv directory already I think
[22:02:59] leprasmurf: haven't tried "record" yet
[22:03:33] JenZ: smurf and lindoro, which 'mythtv'-distro do you recommend?
[22:03:52] iamlindoro__: If it must be a full distro, then Mythbuntu, but go with what's comfortable
[22:04:02] leprasmurf: what kind of hardware are you using?
[22:04:10] peoples: xris: you've some idea how http://irishmark.co.uk/mythweb/ have done this ?
[22:04:32] opentrinity: mythtv++
[22:04:34] clever: recorded is the list of recordings
[22:04:35] xris: done what?
[22:04:58] peoples: secure some sections .. :)
[22:05:11] xris: peoples: probably with locationmatch, like I said earlier
[22:05:20] leprasmurf: JenZ: my hardware is slightly older, and my ram is maxed at 512 megs, so mythbuntu runs slightly slower (though I haven't tweaked it yet), but if you want to mess with things, knoppmyth is pretty restictive. It kept rewriting my xorg.conf when I was trying to change things
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[22:09:41] Dagmar: FINALLY.
[22:09:52] Dagmar: Got the bloody thing fully working again
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[22:13:28] jedix: man, if enable EIT, I get freezes when it tries to use the tuner that I'mw atching with
[22:14:17] jedix: I'm running .20.2 with fixes
[22:14:26] jedix: maybe I don't have some eit fix?
[22:14:49] jedix: anyone have any ideas?
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[22:15:28] portahex: dual tuner?
[22:17:01] JenZ: sorry smurf, i was feeding my baby daugther
[22:17:18] JenZ: are you by any chance belgian or dutch?
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[22:17:39] zabadapp: wow, is that 19 HD channels of 50??
[22:17:54] JenZ: i wanna run it on a Intel P4 – 2.8 with 512 Mb rimm memory
[22:18:57] orkid: RIMM
[22:18:58] orkid: wow
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[22:19:25] JenZ: lol, very old indeed :)
[22:19:55] JenZ: i can't find info about running mytthv outside the us
[22:20:41] iamlindoro__: aside from listings, there's very little that's specific to the US in any of the info
[22:21:02] iamlindoro__: everything else is (pretty much) the same, card types excluded
[22:21:44] zabadapp: i run mythtv outside of the us, so it is actually possible :-)
[22:22:01] iamlindoro__: I wouldn't be the least surprised if there were more people running myth outside of the US than in
[22:22:09] JenZ: and is there a listing you can use?
[22:22:18] cafuego: JenZ: Geography doesn't affect whether the software runs ;-)
[22:22:32] iamlindoro__: you live in belgium, yes? I believe xmltv covers you
[22:22:50] cafuego: JenZ: A 2.4GHz P4 will be fine.
[22:23:01] iamlindoro__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XmlTv#Belgium
[22:23:16] JenZ: i want to install it as a replacement for our old vcr (my girlfriend still uses it) but she wants to record her favorite soaps/series :)
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[22:23:52] JenZ: tnx lindoro, man how could i have missed this great project :(
[22:23:57] at0m|c: JenZ, .be here too, using knoppmyth backend and debian based frontends
[22:24:31] JenZ: i use xbmc but you can't record on it (nor browse the net)
[22:24:52] iamlindoro__: JenZ, I believe that site also hace belgium setup instructions
[22:25:04] iamlindoro__: er has
[22:25:11] JenZ: cool at0m!, but i will have to go through a lot of documentation before i get the hang of 'backends and frontends' :)
[22:25:20] at0m|c: i've asked some questions and had pretty usefull replies on the mythtv users mailing list about a month ago
[22:26:10] JenZ: man i cant wait to give it a try
[22:26:18] JenZ: hope my tvcard is supported
[22:26:28] iamlindoro__: which?
[22:26:30] at0m|c: my neighbour has digicorder, now i'm down to about 12 analog channels eh. only tv-vlaanderen and in-di have digital tv here ;(
[22:27:23] JenZ: ah, another (maybe stupid) question: can you add shares which you can approach with other hardware (like xbmc, pc, ...) and use it as a nas?
[22:27:33] iamlindoro__: yes.
[22:27:39] JenZ: oh man
[22:27:42] JenZ: :)
[22:27:47] iamlindoro__: although that's outside of myth... just a normal SAMBA share in linux
[22:27:51] JenZ: you should see my smile guys :)
[22:27:57] JenZ: indeed
[22:28:04] iamlindoro__: ;) It's a fun project
[22:28:07] JenZ: but i read you can add stuff to a mythbuntu release
[22:28:21] at0m|c: yes, look for the 'pretty' folder, the original filenames /seem/ jubberish
[22:28:46] at0m|c: sure, JenZ, i guess it uses ubuntu repositories (software servers)
[22:28:48] iamlindoro__: JenZ, Any myth machine is just linux with myth installed on top, and various tweaks and scripts... you can do pretty much anything you can script, program, or imagine.
[22:29:38] iamlindoro__: like streaming your TV over a web browser, burning shows to DVD, downloading torrents into your movies automatically, etc.
[22:30:28] zabadapp: mythbuntu is pretty nice, except for the default theme (imho) ... easy to change though
[22:30:33] iamlindoro__: Or it can be as simple as a nice, easy set top box... it's all in how you implement it
[22:30:50] JenZ: oh my, i have a hauppage tvcard downstairs and a medion :( tv-tuner 7134 card (philips chipset) in front of me
[22:31:08] JenZ: downloading mythbuntu atm (at work)
[22:31:12] iamlindoro__: JenZ, depending on which Hauppauge you mean, almost all of them are supported
[22:31:21] JenZ: but its a very old card :(
[22:31:25] iamlindoro__: and the 7134s mostly work, depending on which card you have... the chip is supported.
[22:31:31] iamlindoro__: JenZ, Lots of old cards work
[22:31:44] JenZ: but doenst it affect the quality?
[22:31:48] iamlindoro__: JenZ, Still, it's often worth it to get a newer card for better reception, image quality, etc.
[22:32:00] iamlindoro__: JenZ, I presume Belgium has started to use DVB-T?
[22:32:11] iamlindoro__: If so, it may be worth it to get one of those cards too
[22:32:21] iamlindoro__: to pull in digital and High Def programming
[22:32:24] JenZ: i remember viewing with the old hauppauge was a bit hmmm... correlated?
[22:32:39] iamlindoro__: pixelated?
[22:32:47] JenZ: hmmm, noisy
[22:32:55] JenZ: sorry, my english is not that great
[22:33:00] iamlindoro__: it's ok, we understand
[22:33:01] at0m|c: iamlindoro__, only encrypted dvb in most parts here ;(
[22:33:07] iamlindoro__: at0m|c, bummer :)(
[22:33:09] iamlindoro__: er :(
[22:33:20] iamlindoro__: at0m|c, No free to air digital programming?
[22:33:48] iamlindoro__: at0m|c, I guess you could go DVB-S and get some shows that way
[22:33:49] at0m|c: only 2–3 digi channels on air, none on cable for free.
[22:34:32] at0m|c: there's satelite of course, paying, and in-di, which only covers marginal parts of belgium
[22:34:59] at0m|c: the other 2 main providers sell their hardware for their encoded streams :/
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[22:35:19] iamlindoro__: at0m|c, I guess it could be worse... You could live here in the US ;)
[22:35:29] JenZ: but doesnt it say on this site http://www.digitaaltvkijken.be/dtv/nl/default.asp?WebpageId=10 that you can receive dvb-t?
[22:36:33] JenZ: where r u from at0m?
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[22:38:09] at0m|c: JenZ, i'm 2890, near Mechelen/Dendermonde
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[22:38:46] JenZ: have you tried that dvb-t stuff?
[22:39:17] jarle: Anyone here happen to have BBC HD in their program listing?
[22:39:18] JenZ: i've sent u a private msg
[22:39:28] at0m|c: i haven't got a dvb card, and i hear there's very limited channels
[22:39:53] JenZ: i think i read something about dvb in my new laptop, but i never checked it out
[22:39:57] at0m|c: JenZ, i think you're not registered so you cannot send pm's on freenode – it's an anti-spam rule
[22:40:12] at0m|c: hold on
[22:40:36] JenZ: i was registered but it says my pwd is wrong
[22:40:58] at0m|c: check the link i pm you
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[22:42:46] JenZ: i am checking, see 'indi' a lot of times :)
[22:43:27] at0m|c: yes, in short, there's no digital but satelite or buying one of the belgacom/telenet boxes :[
[22:43:48] at0m|c: or indi which has low geographical coverage
[22:44:00] zabadapp: "transcode to flash"? what tool can do that?
[22:44:13] iamlindoro__: ffmpeg
[22:44:18] iamlindoro__: mencoder
[22:44:25] iamlindoro__: mythweb (which uses ffmpeg)
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[22:45:02] JenZ: i understand at0m, so you've connected the mythtv via the normal cable?
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[22:45:07] at0m|c: yes
[22:45:12] zabadapp: i had no idea, thought flv was a closed, unimplemented format
[22:45:42] xris: zabadapp: the new version is. old version got reverse engineered
[22:45:44] iamlindoro__: zabadapp, nope, pretty easy to do with open-source tools. Flash animation is mostly-closed, but flash video is pretty well understood
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[22:45:54] xris: however, even better is that the *new* flash plugin can play h.264 video...
[22:46:08] at0m|c: jenz, and another renter here has digicorder so telenet took 60% of my channels to make room for his digital ones
[22:46:10] Dagmar: suh-weet
[22:46:18] at0m|c: JenZ, i'm out for a bit soon, i stay in here though..
[22:46:37] JenZ: will i find you in here when i try to set up the stuff? :)
[22:46:44] at0m|c: yup
[22:46:54] JenZ: i dont want to be rude and add u in msn or something ;-)
[22:47:00] Dagmar: xris: How many people out there are actually using the OSS audio drivers still, do you think?
[22:47:09] zabadapp: hm, are you saying that transcode to flash is available in myth or do i have to add that support (some script or so)? i just installed 0.20.2 and my old version only had xvid as transcode option
[22:47:12] at0m|c: ehehe, only irc or email here, JenZ
[22:47:23] JenZ: np, you have been a great help allready
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[22:47:27] xris: Dagmar: no clue. for all I know, I am.. I just compile the rpm and it works. heh
[22:47:29] JenZ: hope to tty soon
[22:47:32] CCFL_Man2: how come the wintv nova-s pci is so hard to find?
[22:47:34] JenZ: nn at0m
[22:47:43] at0m|c: cya soon JenZ, nite
[22:47:44] xris: well, OSS wrappers for ALSA... but myth is probably doing direct alsa for me now
[22:47:48] Dagmar: xris: I'm seriously thinking about submitting a patch to change the defaults.
[22:47:51] tvless: I'm having trouble getting mythtv going (debian etch). I've installed the back end, I think I've configured it and it runs. I've done a mythfilldatabase. I do _not_ have any sort of scheule (schedulesdirect etc.) I've got the front end running (on another box). The front end seems to be able to talk with the mysql back-end. But, when I try to watch live tv I (think) I've no channels.
[22:48:18] Dagmar: To set the audio device to "ALSA:default" and the mixer to "default" just because, with almost all this on 2.6.x kernels, I don't think there's many people *not* using ALSA out there.
[22:48:37] tvless: Can somebody throw me a clue?
[22:48:38] Dagmar: tvless: did you run mythtv-setup?
[22:48:42] Dagmar: I'm guessing you didn't.
[22:49:26] Dagmar: If you have a schedulesdirect account, you put your username and password into mythtv-setup first, and it stores this in the database
[22:49:29] tvless: Dagmar : I went through the backend and frontend setup menus. Would I run that on the backend or frontend. (It's been at least a month since I first tried, and I've only now got back to it.)
[22:49:48] Dagmar: ...then from there, once you've exited mythtv-setup, then you run mythfilldatabase (without the backend running yet, as far as I know)
[22:49:54] JenZ: stupid off-topic question. I want to export this chathistory to a txt-file (to reread it at work :), can i export it in mIRC ?
[22:50:07] tvless: Dagmar : I've no account yet. I want to verify I can do _something_ and have things working before signing up.
[22:50:07] Dagmar: You run mythfilldatabase on the backend as far as I know
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[22:50:17] Dagmar: I'm not sure I'd know how to run it on the frontend, other than to just go tell it where the backend is and hope
[22:50:34] Dagmar: tvless: I *thought* there was a trial account thing still
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[22:51:05] tvless: Dagmar : Yes, I've done mythtv-setup on the back-end box, and run mythfilldatabase. I'd be happy to start over and get talked through it.
[22:51:16] Dagmar: Well, there's really not that much to it
[22:51:27] tvless: Dagmar : Yup. Last I looked there was a trial. But I figured I could just watch live tv first and see that that worked.
[22:51:34] Dagmar: That'll work
[22:51:56] Dagmar: As a last-ditch scenario, I *think* you can just add channels by hand in the channel editor, which is the last menu item in mythtv-setup
[22:51:59] tvless: Dagmar : But it's not.  :( I'm not sure what it's supposed to look like, but there's no tv.
[22:52:15] Dagmar: Did you assign sources to inputs?
[22:52:22] Dagmar: That's the one really inobvious part
[22:52:30] tvless: Dagmar : I think I did that. How would the channels look in the front end? (I thought I assigned sources to inputs.)
[22:52:41] Dagmar: How would they look?
[22:52:42] tvless: Dagmar : I've complicated my life with 3 tuner cards.
[22:52:43] Dagmar: I don't get you
[22:52:48] Dagmar: That's no big deal
[22:53:00] Dagmar: ...not unless they're all crazy different types or something
[22:53:15] tvless: Dagmar : How about I tell you what the channels and input assignemnt looks like on the back end?
[22:53:20] Dagmar: ...or a bunch of framegrabber cards *gag*
[22:53:22] tvless: Dagmar : They're all the same card.
[22:53:41] Dagmar: Okay so what the heck model of card is that?
[22:53:51] Dagmar: I didn't know of any triple tuner cards
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[22:53:59] tvless: Dagmar : (I forget, and older pchdtv card. Lemme look.)
[22:54:05] tvless: Dagmar : I bought 3.
[22:54:11] Dagmar: One of the ones with ATSC and NTSC OTA recievers?
[22:54:16] Dagmar: I thought they only had three
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[22:54:20] Dagmar: er two tuner inputs
[22:54:33] tvless: Dagmar : Lemme do a lspci.
[22:54:44] Dagmar: Either way, no one says you have to turn them all on at once.  :)
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[22:55:59] tvless: Dagmar :) lspci does not help much. I've got notes here somewhere....
[22:56:30] Dagmar: What, you can't find it in the list or something?
[22:56:40] zabadapp: what is the simplest way to disable one tuner temporary?
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[22:57:38] tvless: Dagmar : It says "Conexant" something or another. But that must be the chip.
[22:57:42] Dagmar: I only know of bad ways to do that
[22:57:51] Dagmar: tvless: Doesn't really matter.
[22:58:09] Dagmar: You DO however, have to be able to tell mythtv-setup what it is
[22:58:25] tvless: Dagmar : Yah. I looked it up carefully when setting up the backend.
[22:58:25] Dagmar: This kind of bodes ill for what you set up your tuner cards as
[22:59:08] clever: having one of my PV's in lvm on nbd is surprisingly fast
[22:59:12] tvless: Let me shutdown the front and back ends and run the setup again.
[22:59:36] clever: but id still perfer a seperate fs on nfs over 1 massive fs spread over 2 computers
[23:00:48] Dagmar: if you're dealing with digital tho, I can't help you
[23:01:08] Dagmar: I don't have one of those, never set one up, and there's people here who can't make their tuners go 10 times a night
[23:01:33] tvless: Dagmar : Humm. I notice a bunch of diagnostics from the front-end on the console.
[23:01:46] tvless: Dagmar : Yup, it's a digital tuner.
[23:01:58] Dagmar: The backend should have a log
[23:02:13] tvless: Dagmar : I've a feeling the problem might be in X. One reason I'm running a separate front-end is that the back-end won't run X at a fast enough frame rate.
[23:02:26] tvless: Dagmar : I did get the back end to play a DVD, jerkely.
[23:02:33] Dagmar: Well, you know the files it stores are playable in bloody everything then
[23:02:52] tvless: Dagmar : The back-end video card is too new.
[23:02:56] Dagmar: Are you running this on a wristwatch?
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[23:03:34] tvless: Dagmar : Nah, the front-end's old though. Circa 1999 ish.
[23:03:53] Dagmar: You'll have fun figuring out the tuners
[23:04:06] Dagmar: IF you defined a channel, the backend log will say awful things about you
[23:04:15] tvless: Dagmar : I don't have a decent video card driver for the back end, but I don't care because never want to use it as a front-end anyhow.
[23:04:47] Dagmar: Meh. I just did a rebuild and now I'm going back through the iterations of which video options won't make the frontend *hard lock* the entire machine
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[23:05:25] Dagmar: To be fair, it warns you about video lockups in the frontend config for the option I think was doing it
[23:05:41] Dagmar: One trip into the program guide during live TV, then back out and PFFT. crash
[23:07:20] CCFL_Man2: *PFFT*
[23:08:00] tvless: I get this in the front-end console: (This is stupid, lemme find a pastebin.)
[23:08:13] CCFL_Man2: who here has a wintv nova-s pci?
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[23:09:58] tvless: http://www.pastebin.ca/870265
[23:11:47] Dagmar: lirc isnt' set up yet, that's for sure
[23:12:15] Dagmar: What video card do you have in the frontend?
[23:12:45] Dagmar: It definietly looks like your X isn't working right at all
[23:12:54] Dagmar: You're not getting a menu when you start the frontend?
[23:13:36] tvless: Dagmar : Beats me about the video card. I used to have a Matrox 450 dual head in it, but it died. I do get a menu.
[23:13:51] tvless: Dagmar : Everything works peachy until I try to watch live tv.
[23:13:58] Dagmar: Well, then if your tuners are as set up as you say they are, when you just hit "Watch TV" something should happen
[23:14:01] tvless: Dagmar : I think I've a PCI video card in there now.
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[23:14:33] tvless: Dagmar : Lemmie look. I think X should know....
[23:15:33] Dagmar: `lspci | grep VGA`
[23:15:55] tvless: Dagmar : X says RIVA TNT found.
[23:16:10] Dagmar: You probably need the 7xxx driver
[23:16:31] tvless: Nvidea NV4 [RIVA TNT]
[23:16:44] tvless: Dagmar : I'm using the nv driver now. (You mean for X?)
[23:16:53] portahex: O_o
[23:16:58] portahex: a genuine antique!
[23:17:06] Dagmar: Yes, I mean for X.
[23:17:14] Dagmar: I *think* that one even has XvMC stuff
[23:17:24] Dagmar: It's worth a shot
[23:17:42] portahex: no tv-out of value
[23:17:49] tvless: Dagmar : Ooookay... I'll go poke my X with a stick.
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[23:18:59] leprasmurf: is there anyway to move where the closed captions appear? we keep noticing they appear over text the tv program puts up
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[23:27:13] tvless: Dagmar : I don't see a 7xxx driver (doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg). I see a i780 driver. Is that it?
[23:27:50] tvless: Oops. i740.
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[23:29:26] pigeon: anyone has experience using a ps3 talking to a mythtv server?
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[23:40:59] jroysdon: The priorities are used for deciding what show to record when there are conflicts, but is it also used for knowing what to delete of the auto-expire shows?
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[23:44:50] iamlindoro__: Heh... left before he got his answer... which is yes.
[23:46:07] iamlindoro__: interesting to see an IPv6 address, though...
[23:51:23] iamlindoro__: xris, if you're around... I note on your nuvexport howto page that your advise leaving 1.5 second buffers around commercial cutpoints... Is that the necessary because of framerate changes, or some other reason?
[23:53:51] iamlindoro__: and, I guess secondarily, has anything changed in that regard, ie is nuvexport any more exact w/ cutlists now?
[23:54:31] tvless: Dagmar : Mucking with the X driver is getting me nowhere. Maybe I need another video card. What's this lirc_init stuff? Should I try to get that working first?
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