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Tuesday, January 15th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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bsdfox__:

thanks

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bsdfox__:

looks like that worked

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bsdfox__:

anyone know how to use the playlist for recorded files? I can add files to the playlist but I don't know how to start/organize it :P tried googling but no luck

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justinh:

bsdfox__: you can't arrange the playlist I'm afraid

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justinh:

you get random play, or er.. play in the order they're added

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bsdfox__:

how do you play them though?

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bsdfox__:

I tried just playing one of the files I added but it doesn;t work

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justinh:

bring up playlist options by pressing the right arrow key

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justinh:

play is one of the options

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bsdfox__:

playlist options?

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justinh:

just watched that 'bill gates' last day at MS' video. funny

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bsdfox__:

all I've got is "Add to playlist" then "Remove from playlist"

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . h_Recordings

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justinh:

wiki to the rescue. Again

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bsdfox__:

8f

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bsdfox__:

thanks

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justinh:

take a couple of hours out sometime & read the 'daily use' section of the wiki. you'll find out some great tips there

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justinh:

I'd been using mythtv for 2 years & learned stuff I didn't know about

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justinh:

I can't express it enough that the wiki is a great resource

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justinh:

I've got my own little plan to try to add some kind of playlist organisation screen at some point but it's not worthwhile right now

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beandog:

justinh, what do you mean

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justinh:

beandog: I mean, add a button so that you can view the playlist & then move stuff up & down inside the playlist

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beandog:

oh

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beandog:

okay

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beandog:

I was way off, I thought you were talking about something else

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justinh:

could come in handy if mythvideo is ever integrated into mythfrontend somehow

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beandog:

I was just playing with mythvideo + playlists yesterday

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beandog:

my solution was pretty simple though, just create a .pls extension in there, create a Random folder, and run mplayer -shuffle on there.

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justinh:

right now the recording playlist is stored temporarily as a QStringList – shouldn't be hard to list & sort it somehow

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blizzow:

Is there a key to change the mplayer aspect ratio or zoom on the fly?

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: You are using an external usb tuner? What one is it, was thinking about getting one for my new laptop and need linux support (of course).

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mzb_d800:

kworld usb2 ($20 inc post)

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justinh:

blizzow: man mplayer

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mzb_d800:

also have another one which is useless atm ($23 inc post)

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mzb_d800:

I believe the auto gain code is incorrect for it

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mzb_d800:

I can get better snr by using manual tools and hooking in a trimmer cap on the 2nd one ... but it's overridden by the gain control code

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iamlindoro_:

Hmm... appears the message "on same multiplex..." has become "On known multiplex..." with the multirec merge

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FinnTux:

I think it changed a bit earlier

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mzb_d800:

the Kworld is an excellent tuner in comparison (a couple of quirks) ... 1. When coldbooting, must unplug+replug after boot. 2. Must increase tuning timeouts to get correct signal strength readings in mythtv

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mzb_d800:

rooaus: does that (^^) help?

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mzb_d800:

I think the 2nd tuner is a Yuan *something* (iirc)

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code-er:

will a athelon 64 3500+ w/ a nvidia card run hdtv?

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mzb_d800:

(both of them are from eBay, of course;)

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: Thanks, that helps :)

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mzb_d800:

np

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mzb_d800:

ps: the remote for the Kworld sucks (button layout)

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mzb_d800:

the remote for the DTV1000 is EXCELLENT (for me) ... whereas the remote from an old SurfTV (Web2U?) box suits the g/f

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mzb_d800:

ah

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justinh:

blizzow: seems you can't really switch aspects on the fly in mplayer but what you can do is make a lirc button do it for you... http://wonkabar.org/archives/382

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mzb_d800:

rooaus: there's only one more condition: you have to patch the remote code in v4l-dvb for the kworld sensor

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code-er:

so will a athelon 64 3500+ w/ a nvidia card run hdtv?

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mzb_d800:

(screwy logic, iirc)

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justinh:

code-er: mpeg2 should be no problem

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fryfrog:

code-er: it'd probably be close, but if you already have it, i'd give it a try

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fryfrog:

well, rather, it should do fine with MPEG2 HDTV

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fryfrog:

but x/h264 might be a little more chancy, but i'd still give it a strong "maybe" on that.

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code-er:

whats better, Nova-S or Digiwave103g?

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justinh:

hmmm hauppauge or some brand Ive never heard of?

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blizzow:

thanks justinh

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justinh:

er.. you're in the USA so what use is dvb-s to you? you can't really get FTA HD on satellite

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code-er:

justinh: asking about linux support.. not hd

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code-er:

seperate q

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beandog:

justinh, heh, I was gonna say the same thing, thats my blog :)

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justinh:

beandog: nifty use of lircrc there :)

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beandog:

:)

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justinh:

you musta read the manual or summink :P

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beandog:

widescreen tvs++

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beandog:

lets just say I obsess over my mplayer config

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justinh:

code-er: I'd personally always choose hauppauge over some brand I'd never heard of

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justinh:

but dvb-s in the USA.. I question your intentions

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** justinh is judgmental like that ;) **

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iamlindoro_:

yowch, here's a nasty bug from the multirec branch

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code-er:

justinh: you can question all you want, i can question why you buy blank DVDs to :-p

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code-er:

justinh: all i want is the watch FTA from globecast...

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iamlindoro_:

Attempting to tune *any* of my 3-digit channels over firewire causes an immediate backend crash

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justinh:

I can't remember the last time I bought blank media. I really can't

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code-er:

:p) Fine then.. Blank Harddrives!!! i knwo what your storing on there

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code-er:

LOL

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justinh:

lol ok then

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code-er:

or god help us canadins out.. they are putting a priacy tax on MP3 Players ;-P

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code-er:

wtf is that

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clever:

none of the qt widgets are responding properly

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clever:

to the keyboard

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justinh:

clever: are they all sharing the same /dev/event nodes? :P

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clever:

the /dev/ is local you noob!

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clever:

thats a tmpfs

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justinh:

not always

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justinh:

pends if you use udev or not innit

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clever:

and even if the dev nodes are on the same fs the device it goes to is allways local

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justinh:

I'll take yer word for that

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clever:

udev is in use!

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clever:

compiz is off but its still dead

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: anyway that's what happens when something big happens in Europe & you miss out on testing it :)

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clever:

so thats it:P

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iamlindoro_:

so it appears

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clever:

no trouble shooting!

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** iamlindoro_ goes to get a backtrace and downgrade **

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Phantom1000:

Hi all: I was just reading about the new Hauppauge HD encoder (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=974452). I thought component encoding of HD was currently next to impossible (short of major $$$).

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justinh:

Phantom1000: it _was_

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clever:

justinh: restarting mythfrontend without compiz has 'fixed' it

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justinh:

there aren't any products on the market that can do it yet but thanks to Hauppauge there will be soon

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clever:

damnit

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justinh:

Phantom1000: nobody ever said there would _never_ be a product to encode HD in real time – we all thought it pretty unlikely though

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clever:

now i cant decode video again

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clever:

2008-01–14 20:46:35.566 NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: myth://192.168.1.60:6543/1045_20080114195900.mpg

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clever:

2008-01–14 20:46:37.694 NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: /media/mainlv/mythtv/1045_20080114195900.mpg

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code-er:

hows the 1600pvr drivers comming lol

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justinh:

clever: your nfsroot sounds screwed

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clever:

lol

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justinh:

or rather your nfsroot over 3 machines...

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clever:

if the lib was damaged it would segfault 90% of the time id think

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justinh:

would it not be less hassle to buy a few USB sticks & use em instead?

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clever:

usb isnt as large

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justinh:

if minimyth can host a full frontend in just over 130MB uncompressed...

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clever:

yeah but then i dont have gnome and firefox to use the system for general desktop use also:P

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Phantom1000:

justinh: It's not that I didn't expect it, it's the speed with which it came about. My wife is not going to be happy about another Myth expense. Oh well, she'll get over it.

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clever:

with nfsroot i can add linux+myth to countless systems without any expense

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justinh:

Phantom1000: and of course don't forget it depends on component outputs on STBs staying enabled

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Kazan:

janneg: figure anything out?

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justinh:

it's really unlikely we'll ever see encoder devices with HDMI inputs

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clever:

ive restarted the frontend

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justinh:

or at least – ones which'll play nice with HDCP

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clever:

and suddendly the unplayable file plays!

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: FW broke in the new trunk?

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justinh:

clever: sounds like weird nfs issues

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clever:

but i found a new bug

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clever:

hammer the p key real fast

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clever:

now when i unpause it the video stays froze

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clever:

i'll reproduce it on a damn normal frontend if you keep blaming the damn nfs!

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justinh:

is that expected behaviour though? hammerring keys real fast? ;

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justinh:

anyway time I was in bed

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clever:

i hit pause

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clever:

nothing happened

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clever:

i hit it more

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clever:

it paused and didnt unpause right

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clever:

or wait

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clever:

might have just been a solid frame in the video...

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

video leaving the stb froze up

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clever:

i can see the logo shaking slightly from a tad of analog noise

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iamlindoro_:

sn9: It appears, partially... My single and double digit tunes work properly, but triple-digits kill the backend immediately ... may just be HD channels over firewire... error is in mpeg2.c

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iamlindoro_:

am rebuilding with debug symbols to troubleshoot

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linuxbomb:

My mythfrontend and backend are on two seperate machines but mythfrontend looks for the /recording directory which only exists on the backend. How do I fix this?

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hads:

mythfrontend will stream files from the backend automatically.

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darkfrog:

Hey guys, anyone know why my RF remote (ATI Remote Wonder II) using LIRC on Mythbuntu would just stop working? If I start up irw the commands come through and they reference the proper "names", but in MythTV the remote doesn't work anymore.

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darkfrog:

I can use the keyboard on Myth and that works though...

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iamlindoro_:

hads: Only Television recordings...

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iamlindoro_:

everything else needs an NFS mount or SAMBA

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hads:

Yes, s/files/recordings/

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: there is no mpeg2.c in the mythtv source, so debug symbols won't help much

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: Hmm, wonder if I misquoted? Or are we speaking of ffmpeg?

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darkfrog:

If I go into "Edit Keys" in the frontend it will not accept any key pressed on my remote...it's like Myth has just decided to ignore my remote. :o

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: Machine is downstairs and I was talking from memory

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: there is also no mpeg2.c in ffmpeg's source. it could be that the firewire libs have a mpeg2.c file

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: http://rafb.net/p/koC1HM84.html

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: That's just the tail end of running it in gdb

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iamlindoro_:

am going back now to run it properly per the docs

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darkfrog:

I don't think I've changed anything, but I guess it's possible I did something...

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: I would guess that it is in the firewire lib. so debug symbols in mythtv might not help much

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iamlindoro_:

ok... well all the same, would a backtrace be of any use?

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sn9:

but the fw lib has not changed, right? so the problem is in how it's used...

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janneg:

OTOH: it is a NULL pointer and if mythtv gives the null pointer to the library it would be enough

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: yes

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darkfrog:

Anyone even contemplating helping me? ;)

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sn9:

darkfrog: try restarting the frontend

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: http://rafb.net/p/sReUux79.html

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: Not 100% I did that right, but it appeared to do as before... won't post it as a bug unless you say so, though

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darkfrog:

sn9, I've completely rebooting and to no avail

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darkfrog:

rebooting = rebooted

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darkfrog:

mythfrontend uses ~/.mythtv/lircrc, right?

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sn9:

yes

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darkfrog:

then I'm stumped

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darkfrog:

is there some way I could accidentally told mythtv to ignore my remote? :o

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: that is just a backtrace of an interrupted mythbackend

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: i don't think you did that right, because it's not stopped at the failed assertion

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: OK, will try again, had a feeling it didn't

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: bear with me ;)

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janneg:

did you pressed Ctrl+C

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gnome42:

iamlindoro, janneg: yeah, that's my conclusion too :)

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: run it with gdb and let it crash, then "thread apply all bt"

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sn9:

janneg: right?

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GreyFoxx:

thread apply all bt full

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GreyFoxx:

it's

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sn9:

what does "full" do differently?

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GreyFoxx:

hours before my BE is idle enough for me to try it

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GreyFoxx:

sn9: just more details about variables in each routine and such

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sn9:

oh, that might be too big for pastebin, then

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** GreyFoxx ponders running the win32 build script in a vm **

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iamlindoro_:

hooooooboy got it this time :)

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iamlindoro_:

erm... maybe I didn't... :(

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: if you paste it a bt full is simpler since I don't have to look for the crashed thread

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iamlindoro_:

hmm... ok, the backend no longer appears to be crashing outright, but frontend can no longer connect to it after attempting to tune *any* three-digit channel via firewire

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sn9:

that's still a crash

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sn9:

just not SIGABRT

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janneg:

but for reporting bugs please use "thread apply all bt full"

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: OK... See, here's the thing, when I go to quit gdb, it says the program is still running, and is confirmed by ps aux

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janneg:

it's a deadlock

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: ok, was running per the documentation with gdb mythbackend -x gdbcommands

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janneg:

gdb will say that if the program hasn't ended

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: gdb waits for myth while myth waits for gdb, so to speak

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iamlindoro_:

ok... will run again with hread apply all bt full after

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iamlindoro_:

er thread

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: make sure it says that SIGABRT is its reason for stopping, first

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iamlindoro_:

Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted.

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janneg:

"t a a bt f" will work too

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sn9:

tanstaafl

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: http://rafb.net/p/wGmxZt89.html

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iamlindoro_:

Hopefully that's what you wanted

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sn9:

whoohoo, 656 lines!

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iamlindoro_:

Does so on any three-digit tune via firewire, HD or SD

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sn9:

it's in libiec61883

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sn9:

which is called from libraw1394

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sn9:

called at linuxfirewiredevice.cpp:661

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sn9:

probably a race condition of some sort

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darkfrog:

Hey guys, anyone know why my RF remote (ATI Remote Wonder II) using LIRC on Mythbuntu would just stop working? If I start up irw the commands come through and they reference the proper "names", but in MythTV the remote doesn't work anymore. I can use the keyboard on Myth and that works though...

[01:33:54]

iamlindoro_:

presumably the error should be reproducable by anyone using firewire then, no?

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clever:

GreyFoxx: ive been thinking about doing the win32 build from linux(cross build)

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clever:

GreyFoxx: i am able to make dll files which function in windows and one of my earlyer test exe's ran fine in wine

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sn9:

janneg: perhaps a timeout value somewhere needs to be higher?

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clever:

the cross compiler is functioning

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clever:

just need to build the whole qt and myth with it

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clever:

and whatever smaller core tools it needs

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telee:

how big should a harddrive be for recording?

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janneg:

sn9: no looks more like a missing lock: GetInfoPtr()->fw_handle seems to be valid as we use it earlier in LinuxFirewireDevice::RunPortHandler()

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telee:

on average if you have a few shows you record a week

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darkfrog:

telee, on my box I use about 1.2 gig per hour, so do the math. ;)

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clever:

telee: depends mostly on how many you want to keep and what your recording with i think

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clever:

i use 1.3gig/hour of recording

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telee:

darkfrog, wow just wow. =] What all do you record?

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clever:

ive made a php script which looks at the free space and how much can auto expire and tells me how many hours are free

[01:38:03]

telee:

so you guys are recording all the time right?

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iamlindoro_:

HD 1080 is about 7–8 GB/hr

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clever:

it will run out of space near 10am tomorow

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clever:

by which time i should be awake and watching+deleting

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darkfrog:

telee, you mean 24 hours a day? No...I mean per hour I record it costs 1.2gig

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sn9:

janneg: oh, well. no way i could have known that, since i only looked at the bt, and not the source at all

[01:38:40]

janneg:

iamlindoro_: please install debug packages for libiec61883 and libraw1394 and recreate the bt

[01:38:50]

telee:

darkfrog, oh that makes more sense

[01:39:11]

telee:

what tv tuner card + remote do you use/recommend? and how much should i thiknk about spending?

[01:39:26]

telee:

does the tuner depend on what distro i am usign?

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darkfrog:

telee, do some research online...that will help you get going

[01:40:16]

janneg:

sn9: use the source. locking in that function seems to be fine though

[01:40:20]

telee:

ok

[01:40:33]

darkfrog:

telee, search for tutorials on setting up MythTV and base your hardware decisions on what the tutorials support

[01:40:35]

iamlindoro_:

hmmm, anyone know if there's an ubuntu repos for the dbg packages?

[01:40:54]

Kazan:

hey janneg

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telee:

sweet i will do that

[01:40:55]

telee:

thanks

[01:40:59]

Kazan:

figure anything out with that sample?

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sn9:

janneg: if the data gets locked ok, then something is ignoring the lock

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clever:

iamlindoro_: the newer releases have a special repo with nothing but debug packages

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clever:

iamlindoro_: basicaly oldpackage-dbg

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iamlindoro_:

that's what I was getting at-- where's the repos?

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clever:

checking my end

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darkfrog:

why does my mythbox not play nice? I had everything working and all of a sudden it spits in my face and the remote refuses to work with mythtv...ARGH! :o

[01:42:07]

janneg:

iamlindoro_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash

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clever:

dont see which repo im getting my dbg packages thru

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iamlindoro_:

beautiful, thanks

[01:42:33]

clever:

but janneg seems to know google exists:P

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sn9:

clever: apt-cache policy foo-dbg

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clever:

ahhh

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clever:

500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages

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clever:

for one of the random packages i tested

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sn9:

so, no special repo

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clever:

atleast not for that dbg in gutsy

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sn9:

try libraw1394-dbg

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clever:

the wiki you linked to says to get the -dbgsym package but a search showed -dbg's

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iamlindoro_:

okay, debug packages coming down now

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janneg:

clever: read the page

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

there appears to be both -dbg and -dbgsym

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telee:

ok so this is a basic question. If i have all my music on an external HD... do i have to import these to my internal HD and in the /var/lib/mythtv/music folder or can i somehow link it to look in my external HD?

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clever:

a symlink in the main folder would be enough for myth to see the external

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telee:

i did google and all i find is just to put it in these folders

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clever:

after rescaning

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clever:

that works for mythvideo atleast

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telee:

ok so i dont know how to do a symlink, but ill google it or RTFM. So ill get back to you.

[01:48:10]

noonan:

oh no! my screen went weird!

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clever:

telee: 'man ln'

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iamlindoro_:

janneg, sn9: http://rafb.net/p/xm4cCK25.html

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telee:

clever, whats mythvideo... just where youw atch video

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clever:

noonan: define 'weird'

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iamlindoro_:

and you thought the last one was long ;)

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clever:

telee: mythvideo and mythmusic are nearly the same function,video and music:P

[01:48:50]

telee:

ok cool

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telee:

clever, would you recommend using my external or just copy it to my HD

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clever:

mythmusic is more made to play 1 file after another on its own

[01:49:31]

telee:

clever, so is mythmusic and mythvideo included in mythtv?

[01:49:35]

clever:

video doesnt realy do that as much

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clever:

telee: depends on how much free space you have and if you play to leave the drive attached often

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noonan:

clever: gladly – the screen is more huge than the screen – if I move my mouse to the edge, it sort of zooms over so I can see that part – nice of it

[01:50:00]

clever:

mythmusic and mythvideo are part of the plugins folder in the source

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telee:

clever, thanks

[01:50:18]

clever:

.

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noonan:

clever: and this is after messing with my mythtv backend settings so frontend would open in a window

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telee:

clever, so would my target be my external?

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clever:

telee: depends on how much you have free mostly

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clever:

if you have the room to copy it all over

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telee:

ok

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telee:

so maybe ill buy a 500 gig HD in the future and then copy it later

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sn9:

noonan: sounds like a virtual desktop size

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noonan:

clever: but I have no idea how it got that way or how to switch it back – xorg config and display settings don't do any good

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clever:

im out of ideas then:P

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sn9:

noonan: ctrl-alt-numpad+, usually

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** clever goes off to sleep **

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noonan:

hmm, my crl+alt keycombos are gone too from something else I did like a few days ago

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noonan:

oh well, always a new funky thing, but that's ok, i'm ok with this, it's fun

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sn9:

which was...?

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code-r:

Any one heard of a "simt107b" card

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noonan:

which was, resetting my video settings: xserver.xorg which also asked me about my keyboard and after that I can't use alt or control really

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sn9:

noonan: is this on *buntu gutsy?

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noonan:

i think maybe I should have gone with gnome instead of xubuntu

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noonan:

sn9:yep yeah

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sn9:

ok, that's the "bulletproof X" feature

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code-r:

what would happen if i miss-connect my front firewire connector.. say.. backwards?

[01:55:51]

psm321:

any way i can rearrange jobs in myth's queue?

[01:56:16]

sn9:

code-r: don't do that

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: are you using input groups with the firewire recorder?

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psm321:

also, any relatively simple way to disable all "regular" schedules for some testing? (cant disable the scheduler altogether because i need to schedule test recordings)

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code-r:

sn9: what would happen if i do?

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code-r:

theoretecially

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: Not that I know of... Everything should be default with the new multirec stuff

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: Haven't even touched the input group thing yet

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: ok, the bt is as good as it gets. please attach it to a new ticket

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iamlindoro_:

ok

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sn9:

code-r: i'm sure i would prefer not to find out

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: mention multirec merge in the ticket's summary

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: you got it

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code-r:

sn9: well i have a board.. and i think it has an onboard firewire... but im not sure.. the traces seem to go through the internal firewire PORT

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sn9:

code-r: what is the connector labeled, and how many pins is it?

[01:59:20]

code-r:

sn9: well i have a board.. and i think it has an onboard firewire... but im not sure.. the traces seem to go through the internal firewire PORT

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code-r:

http://www.telecommandercorp.com/links/usb/pc . . . ercardrt.htm

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code-r:

its labled JP1

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sn9:

how many pins?

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: and please add in the description that the firewire recorder is not in a shered input group

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code-r:

lol and its 4 pins

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code-r:

labled 7- – - -1

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: OK

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janneg:

good night

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janneg:

s/shered/shared/

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sn9:

code-r: does it look like a floppy power connector?

[02:00:33]

code-r:

sn9: ther eis one on the board that looks like that

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code-r:

sb9: but this one looks like the Onboard USB adapter, but 1 set of pins less

[02:01:02]

sn9:

code-r: the one that looks like on is one, and should be connected to the psu

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sn9:

s/on/one/

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code-r:

and the one that liks like this : : : :

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sn9:

eight pins? firewire is ten

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code-r:

sn9: i was looking at the front panel plug i have and the 9 and 10 have no cables on it..

[02:02:36]

code-r:

sn9: think they are used as placement

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code-r:

s

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sn9:

no, they are power

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noonan:

sn9: bulletproofX?!?

[02:03:07]

sn9:

noonan: yes — it's horrible

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code-r:

hmmm so what could that be?

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sn9:

code-r: what could what be?

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code-r:

-> : : : :

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noonan:

i agree

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sn9:

look at your board manual

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code-r:

like i said the traces look like they are going through the firewire port

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code-r:

sn9: what manual :(

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noonan:

i don't know what to do it doesn't change

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sn9:

oh, this is the hp?

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sn9:

noonan: what vid card/

[02:04:20]

sn9:

?

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code-r:

Anyway i connected the firewire to it. thinking it might be it..

[02:04:43]

code-r:

well sizle sizzzle sizzle mobo doesnt work

[02:04:53]

code-r:

you think the CARD is fried too. or just the motherboard?

[02:05:08]

sn9:

code-r: is this the hp?

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noonan:

it's the e-geforce 7800 GT

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code-r:

sn9: i dont have an hp...

[02:05:24]

code-r:

sn9: just bought the card

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sn9:

code-r: what board, then?

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sn9:

code-r: firewire is ten pins

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code-r:

sn9: ok i board a USB/FIREWIRE pci card

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sn9:

how do you board a card?

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code-r:

sorry...

[02:07:29]

code-r:

i bought a usb/firewire pci card

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sn9:

and the board?

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code-r:

it was a elite group amd 1800+

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sn9:

why didn't you look at the board manual, then?

[02:08:34]

code-r:

sn9: the board doesnt have firewire

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code-r:

the pci CARD looks like this

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code-r:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . mp;CatId=510

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sn9:

then why did you say the connector's traces went to the onboard firewire?

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code-r:

sn9: i ment the INTERNAL port

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code-r:

i miss spoke sorry

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sn9:

internal == onboard, right?

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code-r:

sn9: sory i ment the internet firewire port.

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code-r:

on the card.

[02:10:16]

_banyan:

Is there a way to change that annoying spivvy jazz that gets put on dvds that you burn with mytharchive?

[02:10:22]

sn9:

what's an "internet firewire" port?

[02:10:32]

code-r:

internal

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mzb_d800:

ah ... now that's decadence

[02:10:48]

mzb_d800:

I've got my IR transmitter going nicely

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sn9:

code-r: where was the JP1? i thought you said it was on the board

[02:11:07]

noonan:

hey mzb what card/remote you usin?

[02:11:20]

code-r:

on the card

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sn9:

code-r: that's a power selector jumper, then

[02:11:33]

mzb_d800:

when I hit the TV button on the Sony remote, the mythbox then sets the STB to the favourite channel for THAT particular TIME + DAY! :))

[02:12:05]

code-r:

sn9: what do you mean?

[02:12:23]

noonan:

ya know, if there was some setting I could change to get my regular graphical setup back I'd e OK with that

[02:12:30]

mzb_d800:

noonan: DTV1000 PCI DVB-T (not using IR sensor in it) + Kworld USB2 DVB-T (using the IR sensor in it for the garage) ... this particular machine is dual head + dual remote receiver

[02:12:46]

sn9:

code-r: if you had anything plugged into that front firewire connector, kiss both the card and the board goodbye

[02:12:48]

_banyan:

More importantly, anyone know why growisofs might have completely gone haywire on my machine, burning nothing but useless coasters? It appears to be something to do with the lack of builtin-dd.

[02:12:52]

noonan:

mzb:cool

[02:12:54]

mzb_d800:

noonan: the lounge head has a home-brew receiver + transmitter (dual LED)

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code-r:

sn9: what about other pci cards

[02:13:04]

code-r:

would they still be alive?

[02:13:11]

sn9:

code-r: likely not

[02:13:19]

code-r:

sn9: what about agp?

[02:13:24]

sn9:

not sure

[02:13:33]

code-r:

hmmm i ope my pvr 150 still working

[02:13:39]

code-r:

id be very heart broken if it was dead...

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psm321:

_banyan: what does it say?

[02:13:45]

noonan:

mzb_d800: that's groovy – I can't even get my haup 150 remote working

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psm321:

_banyan: i had growisofs start failing on a kernel upgrade because i started getting usb resets on my external burner

[02:14:15]

sn9:

code-r: why did you do such a thing, anyway?

[02:14:19]

** J-e-f-f-A has a home-brew serial receiver with 3 IR heads... **

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mzb_d800:

so when I select VIDEO on the Sony Receiver, the mythbox changes to #9 on the VCR ... selecting TV also changes to A1 on the VCR (and selects the favourite channel for the moment on the STB) ... totally decadent

[02:14:36]

code-r:

sn9: well.. every trace of the 9 pins goes into a FIREWIRE port pin...

[02:15:01]

code-r:

uhh 8 pins sorry

[02:15:10]

mzb_d800:

eg: 10am ... "want to watch ABC kids, Kiah?" ... press TV and it goes straight to ABC kids!

[02:15:17]

sn9:

code-r: you've also fried the firewire device, i'm sure. look at WHICH pins in the firewire port the traces run to!

[02:15:17]

_banyan:

I wish I had saved the output. However, it complained almost immediately of a command error, and then it said it was closing the session, but it kept going for about a minute doing I don't know what.

[02:15:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

code-r: Umm... firewire ports only have 6 or 4 pins...

[02:15:23]

mzb_d800:

(on a weekday)

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_banyan:

My burner is IDE.

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noonan:

mzb_d800: THAT'S too much

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code-r:

last two dont likke like they do much..

[02:16:04]

mzb_d800:

eg2: might want to watch mythbusters ... press TV >5:30pm on a weekday and it *just does it* (ie. all the work;)

[02:16:09]

mzb_d800:

:))

[02:16:18]

noonan:

man dangit, is gutsy just way buggy or what

[02:16:29]

iamlindoro_:

nope

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code-r:

sn9: i though i coul dhave front firewire ports :-S =(

[02:16:48]

noonan:

mzb_d800: you're livin large don't let anyone say otherwize

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mzb_d800:

lol

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mzb_d800:

thx noonan

[02:17:24]

mzb_d800:

only had to add a few lines of code to my ir_xmit script ... and a small table with 5 fields in the db

[02:17:36]

mzb_d800:

might have to add some nice OSD functions to it ;)

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sn9:

code-r: you saw that the front connector had TEN pins. that's not without a reason, you know. if you wanted to use the front connector, you needed to get an internal fw cable to the internal fw connector. are you tweaked or something?

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_banyan:

psm321: Actually, as luck would have it, I still have the output in a terminal. http://pastebin.org/15419

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noonan:

hmm, well I'm going to see if I can fix my perspective oi

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noonan:

be back luegu

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code-r:

sn9: it has ten pins but the one pair had NO cables

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sn9:

code-r: that's not without a reason, either!

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mzb_d800:

noonan: this is the receiver-only version (I made 2) to which I added the transmitter circuit to (yes ... it just fits!):

[02:19:10]

code-r:

sn9: i figured they cheaped out on the board.....

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mzb_d800:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=83

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psm321:

_banyan: sorry, no idea... i can only make guesses

[02:19:25]

_banyan:

be my guesst.

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code-r:

sn9: so what is the voltage select jumpets then

[02:19:40]

psm321:

_banyan: did you check dmesg? also, upgrade anything recently? (growisofs, kernel,...)

[02:19:47]

sn9:

code-r: it selects where fw devices get their power, mobo or psu

[02:19:59]

mzb_d800:

(had to push the IR xmit pretty hard to compensate for a few things .. like afternoon sun ... we'll see how that goes in a few hours)

[02:20:37]

mzb_d800:

also have a smal piece of paper sticking out from under the remote labelled "Remote Control Reflector. DO NOT REMOVE!" ;))

[02:20:49]

mzb_d800:

s/under the remote/under the VCR/

[02:21:17]

mzb_d800:

1" x .5 " visible ... barely noticeable

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code-r:

hmm thats odd.. the J3 has 2 plugs on this board.. the 2x4 and a 1x5 pin set are both labled j3

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sn9:

code-r: no, wait — never mind anything i said. power selector jumpers have 6 pins, not 8

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... well I can tell it works (well enough) atm ... 2.5yo now watching ABC kids ... end of playing with the remote control for a while ;)

[02:22:11]

_banyan:

Well, the long story is: 1) I rebooted because my computer froze during pvr-350 output playback (hey, it happens). 2) when I came back up, I tried to burn some stuff, which I had successfully done before. I got this obscure sounding python exception, "ValueError: too many values to unpack." 3) Thinking this was a problem with an upgrade or some damn thing, I uninstalled everything related to mytharchive and reinstalled it.

[02:22:11]

_banyan:

[This is where I think growisofs broke.]

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code-r:

so what could this be..

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mzb_d800:

SELECT channel FROM stb_channels WHERE \"$DAY\" BETWEEN daystart AND dayfinish AND cast(\"$TIME\" as time) BETWEEN timestart AND timefinish ORDER BY (dayfinish-daystart) AND (timefinish-timestart) LIMIT 1

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mzb_d800:

simple as

[02:23:14]

_banyan:

4) I undertook to debug the python script mythburn.py myself. And found that because I had a mount point with spaces in it, the script broke. Fixed the script problem with using a regex instead of a split.

[02:23:29]

Toxicity999:

My goal for tomorrow is Myth OSD displays for Pingso n IRSSI

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** psm321 needs more processing power **

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Toxicity999:

pings on my desktop that is

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psm321:

adding 2 tuners has caused my job queue to fall hopelessly behind...

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Toxicity999:

should be easy

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_banyan:

5) Redid the archive, only to find that it made a coaster. On closer inspection, found that growisofs doesn't work. As a workaround, it appears that burning an iso using wodim produces dvds that my dvd player likes, but...

[02:25:45]

psm321:

was growisofs one of the things you uninstalled/reinstalled?

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psm321:

and if so, any chance you can find out what version you had before?

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_banyan:

Probably it was included in one of the things that got removed and put back.

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** sn9 finally clicks code-r's links **

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_banyan:

Well, possibly if yum left a log I can find that out.

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psm321:

i've learned to be very vary of cd/dvd-burning related upgrades... always seems to be breaking :-/

[02:27:46]

_banyan:

that's a broken package if I ever saw one, yeah!

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psm321:

_banyan: unfortunately i know next to nothing about yum

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psm321:

_banyan: sure you havent upgraded the kernel recently? i would also still double-check dmesg for clues

[02:29:56]

_banyan:

I wouldn't doubt that when I rebooted after the freezeup, I rebooted to a newer kernel.

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code-r:

sn9: LOL

[02:31:55]

_banyan:

I will check /var/log/messages (this was last done last night).

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iamlindoro_:

whew... glad I back up my database every night :)

[02:32:31]

iamlindoro_:

back to a working setup

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psm321:

_banyan: also, make extra sure that /dev/cdrom1 is the proper device

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sn9:

code-r: my best guess is that the connector really is for what you thought it was for, but with a non-standard pinout

[02:34:09]

psm321:

so anyone know if i can rearrange things in myth's queue?

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code-r:

sn9: thats what id guess cause there is a 1x8 standard..

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sn9:

also, a 2x5

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code-r:

yeh

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code-r:

and the board has a 2x4 and a 1x5

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sn9:

noonan: did you reinstall from scratch?

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noonan:

heh, I'm back from the dead

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noonan:

but that was weird

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code-r:

hmm how do i know the pin outs for this...

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iamlindoro_:

Anyone watch terminator: TSCC last night?

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sn9:

code-r: the 1x5 is usb

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noonan:

no, I put my settings right and restarted – but I blame mythbuntu control panel – it has a mind of its own

[02:35:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: yeah, I saw it...

[02:35:58]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Did you see what SD put for the plot?

[02:36:01]

iamlindoro_:

"Sarah takes her son, John, to a small town in Mexico, where he befriends the man who will become his protector."

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noonan:

sn9: ha, what do you take me for a NOOB?

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iamlindoro_:

Uhhh.... no? Not at all?

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code-r:

oo doh one is j3 the other is jp3

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: No, I didn't pay attention to it... (checking now)

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sn9:

noonan: not compatible with the nvidia binary driver

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iamlindoro_:

That man is a skinny girl with a nice rack

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iamlindoro_:

from Firefly

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noonan:

i don't know, but honesty I have had a string of weird things happen to me since I installed this system – but no I have the proprietary driver running and it works bootiful

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_banyan:

psm321: /dev/cdrom1 works with wodin.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: You mean "Gnothi Seauton"?

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code-r:

so how could i figure out the pin outs lol

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iamlindoro_:

I have it down as the plot info for "Pilot"

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iamlindoro_:

on my recording

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sn9:

code-r: trace the wires

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Guess they could have mixed up plots between the two night

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code-r:

sn9: do you think i fried the card though?

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code-r:

sn9: or just the mobo

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Mine (digital ATSC listing mind you) is titled "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles:" Subtitle" "Gnothi Seauton"... and a full-text description...

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: TMS has made stranger mistakes before

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iamlindoro_:

hmmm, no, I'm looking at tonights and it appears accurate... but last nights is wayyyyy of

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sn9:

code-r: possibly only whatever device you connected

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Ooh... wait a minute... I was looking at tonights... Hadn't realize it started recording at 9:00...

[02:39:33]

iamlindoro_:

Tonight's is Gnothi Seauton, last nights was "pilot"

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_banyan:

Can mplayer be -ao'ed to put out .ac3 format audio files?

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code-r:

sn9: the mobo does not boot anymore..

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Last-night's is "Pilot"... with a reasonable summary...

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sn9:

code-r: even without the card?

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Except for the part about meeting the man who would be his protector

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code-r:

sn9: striped it out of everyting except the EMBEDE (yes i said embeded) ram and the soldered on cpu...

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Which "man" would that be??

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code-r:

sn9: CPU fan spins up...

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code-r:

sn9: no pc speaker beep

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code-r:

sn9: nothign on the onboard graphics

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: HA! Hadn't seen that!

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: If she's a man, then I guess I'm gay...

[02:40:47]

iamlindoro_:

Dude looks like a lady

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code-r:

Bingo jet had a light on

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sn9:

code-r: soldered-on cpu? wtf? elite group never made anything like that...

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: No shit, that's the hottest dude I've ever seen

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psm321:

_banyan: sorry, i dont really have any other ideas

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code-r:

sn9: wanna bet :-P

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sn9:

code-r: is it mini-itx or something?

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J-e-f-f-A:

sn9, code-r: (or uATX (Micro ATX)

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code-r:

k7sem

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code-r:

but all the bloody pictures on the site dont have the cpu soldered on

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code-r:

even though its under the catagory "on board cpu"

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sn9:

J-e-f-f-A: uATX with a soldered-to-the-board cpu? i don't think so...

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code-r:

http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Products/Pro . . . &LanID=0

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code-r:

i think that one

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noonan:

ok so something is very weird with mythbuntu control panel

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sn9:

noonan: bulletproofX, in addition to being a piece of shit, is fundamentally incompatible with the nvidia binary drivers, afaik

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Are you watching it yet?

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Not tonight's, not for two more hours

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noonan:

heh, ok, is that what is enabling me to see my nvidia card control panel?

[02:48:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Ah, that's right... the Left Coast... ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

ah-yup

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noonan:

becaues I can't see that int he system using xorg

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vn:

hiya, how am I supposed to setup my tv to get the correct channels? I have a PVR250 with a CATV in tuner1 and the tv is connected to the composite-out but it doesnt have the same channels as my myth does...

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: you could stream it from my server... ;-) Although I'm not sure if the HD will transcode to flash fast enough... even with a Athlon 64 X2 4600+ cpu... ;-)

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sn9:

noonan: -ENOPARSE

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Hehe, I've become an HD snob... I'd rather wait and watch it on my big screen :)

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noonan:

sn9: can you say what that means?

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sn9:

noonan: what, i thought you weren't a n00b? it means i couldn't make sense of what you said

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sn9:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: I'm watching it on my M$ pc's 22" widescreen now... via ASX stream... ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: I have to put in my cardio tonight, so I have to put out the rollers and ride my road bike while watching, it's a good way to force myself to do cardio and get to watch TV

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noonan:

heh, I see still you take my word as bond

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: And get your blood double-pumping... ;-)

[02:53:02]

iamlindoro_:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

I'll pretend I'm chasing the terminator

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Dr asks "why was your pulse rate 200bpm?" response "I was watching the Terminator while riding my bike..." ;-)

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psm321:

_banyan: another idea: try toggling DMA on the drive

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psm321:

doh

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noonan:

sn9 – i have no access in the regular settings for nvidia driver settings – but after I installed mythbuntu config, it had a button: "launch nvidia settings"

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: My doc would understand

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noonan:

funny thing that, as soon as I push that button, and every time, my graphics change slightly – the first time for the way way better

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sn9:

noonan2nd: pull up a shell and type: nvidia-settings

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noonan:

anyway it's puzzling – ok

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noonan:

so, you are a genius

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vn:

where do I set composite (video only) output on my mythtv?

[02:58:33]

vn:

I only find an input

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sn9:

noonan: doesn't automatically mean i'm great with myth yet

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noonan:

but, there seems to be a conflict going on, I guess that's because I run mythtv frontend which is trying to have it's own way with things??

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Ick... I tried to open the asx stream with WMP, and there's no audio... Switched back to VLC, Cant seek with the slider, only ff & rew... oh well... ;-)

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noonan2nd:

heh, I'm still here though

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sn9:

vn: that's not in mythtv at all

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vn:

sn9: where then?

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sn9:

vn: which distro, and what video card?

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vn:

LinuxMCE on a Hauppaugge pvr250

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vn:

it,s based on ubuntu 7.04

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iamlindoro_:

And it doesn't count as myth

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vn:

it has myth in it

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J-e-f-f-A:

vn: I think you're confused... LunuxMCE != MythTV, and the PVR-250 is a tuner card, not a video card for your monitor.

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iamlindoro_:

get support from linuxmce people

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vn:

uh yeah that I know..but the setup of the input/outputs is mythtv...the blue interface with circle buttons...and I wanna output what my mce gets from the tuner1 to my tv via the composite..not my monitor

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vn:

isn,t that blue thuingy MythTV setup? ;-)

[03:08:09]

iamlindoro_:

and that's not in myth

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vn:

thingy*

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iamlindoro_:

the intercace you are talking about it mythtv-setup, but includes no output sections, that is not, and has nothing to do with, MythTV

[03:08:50]

iamlindoro_:

er it=is

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vn:

ah? erm ok...so I'm back to linuxmce

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vn:

sorry guys

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vn:

and thanks for your time

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Tanthrix:

vn: Getting your video output on a TV is purely a video card issue, just so you know. So it probably doesn't have anything to do with linuxMCE either ;)

[03:11:39]

vn:

uhm actually its the rca output of my pvr250

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Tanthrix:

vn: Your PVR-250 does not have an RCA output.

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J-e-f-f-A:

vn: no it isn't ... that's an input.

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Tanthrix:

vn: You need a video card with s-video/composite out to hook up to a regular old TV, or a PVR-350

[03:12:25]

** vn dies **

[03:12:50]

vn:

wth

[03:12:58]

vn:

how am I getting 2 channels!?

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GreyFoxx:

the 250 , 150 and 500 are tuners only, the 350 is the only one with an output

[03:13:33]

vn:

thanks for the info..

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psm321:

vn: video cards w/ tv out are cheap if youre not looking for good 3d acceleration

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J-e-f-f-A:

psm321: He might need one... he's running LinuxMCE...

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Tanthrix:

psm321: What would someone need good 3d acceleration in linux for? Tuxracer? ;)

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vn:

haha

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iamlindoro_:

for all that shit mapped onto cubes, that's what

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noonan2nd:

ok now for the noob question – you listening sn9 ?

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psm321:

Tanthrix: compiz

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Tanthrix:

Fair enough.

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vn:

hehe...naw I don't need fancy interface, didn't use the super interface...cuz it crashed, I simply have a via integrated video card

[03:15:00]

noonan2nd:

I've erased my keyboard shortcuts – alt-tab no longer switches windows, anyone know how to restore or replace them?

[03:15:08]

noonan2nd:

guesss I'm off topic

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sn9:

noonan2nd: at least you didn't think a Socket A cpu was "soldered-on" like code-r did

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iamlindoro_:

Socket's just a clever name, after all

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noonan2nd:

haha, yeah, i totally knew that already

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sn9:

if you see BulletproofX and you have nvidia, you might as well reinstall from scratch right away, since you will eventually, anyway...

[03:17:26]

noonan2nd:

really??? is that what mythbuntu config panel uses?

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sn9:

no idea — never seen mythbuntu myself, just the rest of the *buntu's

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minthome:

and know reason why all the sudden Sun Dec 23, 2007, my mythbox stopped recording from my analog tuner?

[03:18:45]

psm321:

anyone know if mythbackend will pick up a storage directories change (an additional one) w/o restarting?

[03:18:54]

minthome:

it's still recording on my HD card.

[03:18:56]

noonan2nd:

hmm, I think I'm ok, but I'd do anything to have alt+tab back

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psm321:

minthome: youre going to need to give more details then :)

[03:19:07]

Tanthrix:

minthome: I logged in and broke it.

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psm321:

noonan2nd: what desktop env do you use?

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minthome:

nah, it's funny, both me and my friends analog tuners just stopped recording

[03:19:47]

sn9:

noonan2nd: sounds like your window manager is not running

[03:20:01]

minthome:

about the same time... 2 totally different builds and cards though

[03:20:14]

noonan2nd:

psm321, xfce, i installed xubuntu a week past

[03:20:20]

psm321:

what do you mean by "stopped recording"?

[03:20:20]

noonan2nd:

sn9, that sounds promising

[03:20:29]

psm321:

noonan2nd: sorry, no ideas there, i'm a kde guy

[03:20:34]

sn9:

minthome: same cable?

[03:20:50]

noonan2nd:

yeah, I wonder where all the xce guys hide

[03:20:50]

psm321:

sn9: heh that was going to be my guess depending on his answer :)

[03:21:03]

minthome:

sn9, huh? no

[03:21:09]

minthome:

oh, you mean same service

[03:21:15]

sn9:

yes

[03:22:02]

minthome:

nope

[03:22:10]

minthome:

2 different companies

[03:22:30]

minthome:

i haven't looked at it in depth yet... just thought maybe there was something known

[03:22:30]

sn9:

wow. same power line?

[03:22:43]

Aval0n:

hey guys, with trunk under playback options I have selected cpu+, but how can I make it so it deinterlaces SD chans but does not on HD chans

[03:23:00]

Aval0n:

would I just leave deinterlacing off and add it manually for SD chans in the channel database.

[03:23:03]

Aval0n:

?

[03:23:39]

iamlindoro:

playback profiles are per resolution

[03:23:40]

psm321:

minthome: again, it would help if you gave us more details...

[03:23:50]

iamlindoro:

so you add a rule for < 1280x720

[03:24:01]

iamlindoro:

And put interlacing on that rule

[03:24:10]

minthome:

psm321, going to look into it now actually

[03:24:22]

iamlindoro:

and a rule for >= 1280x720 and turn interlacing off for that one

[03:24:29]

Aval0n:

hmm

[03:25:02]

blizzow:

How can a import a DVD into my videos section that I've already copied as VOB files to my hard drive?

[03:25:10]

psm321:

minthome: well you could give us the basics... you still havent clarified what you mean by "stopped recording"... does it record a blank screen? no recordings ever get scheduled on that tuner? recordings are scheduled on that tuner but don't run?

[03:25:28]

minthome:

recordings are scheduled on that tuner but don't run?

[03:25:51]

minthome:

yeah, as i said. let me look into it.. then i'll let you know for sure ;)

[03:25:56]

Aval0n:

iamlindoro: "1208x673 is the res I run

[03:26:02]

Aval0n:

in my xorg

[03:26:13]

Aval0n:

so would mythtv know that when I watch fox HD that it's above that?

[03:26:15]

iamlindoro_:

Aval0n: Doesn't matter, you are choosing how to handle *signal* resolutions

[03:26:27]

sn9:

minthome: trunk or 0.20?

[03:26:38]

iamlindoro_:

not your monitor resolution

[03:26:40]

Aval0n:

so it's completely indepedent of the X11 res

[03:26:43]

iamlindoro_:

yes

[03:27:07]

minthome:

trunk

[03:27:11]

Aval0n:

interesting

[03:27:25]

Aval0n:

I have a hard time with my myth box

[03:27:29]

Aval0n:

when watching HD content

[03:27:39]

Aval0n:

sometimes I can watch teh show all the way through, no problem

[03:27:53]

Aval0n:

then I'll try the same one again and it'll start shopping half way through

[03:28:00]

Aval0n:

it's frusterating as hell

[03:28:05]

sn9:

minthome: what do the logs say when the recording fails?

[03:28:37]

sn9:

Aval0n: what does it shop for?

[03:28:37]

minthome:

would that be the mythbackend log?

[03:28:48]

sn9:

minthome: check both logs?

[03:28:53]

Aval0n:

hahaha

[03:28:55]

Aval0n:

chopping*

[03:29:12]

iamlindoro_:

My Mythbackend shops for porn

[03:29:17]

iamlindoro_:

but it chooses really good stuff

[03:29:22]

iamlindoro_:

so It's all good

[03:29:26]

sn9:

automatically?

[03:29:34]

iamlindoro_:

yup

[03:29:38]

minthome:

which other log?

[03:29:52]

sn9:

iamlindoro_: kinda like the tivo thumbs system?

[03:30:01]

sn9:

minthome: frontend

[03:30:17]

sn9:

mythfrontend

[03:30:24]

iamlindoro_:

Sorta... but it doesn't use thumbs

[03:30:42]

minthome:

hum... donno where the logs are.. wtf

[03:30:53]

sn9:

/var/log/mythtv

[03:31:01]

minthome:

not there

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psm321:

in case anyone was wondering, the answer to my question is that yes mythbackend does pick up added storage directories w/o a restart

[03:31:35]

minthome:

i start mythbackend and frontend manually

[03:32:15]

psm321:

then theyre in your terminal window :)

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** psm321 heading out **

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minthome:

hauppage should be setup as a DVB right?

[03:38:18]

sn9:

the HVR?

[03:38:29]

minthome:

PVR-150

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iamlindoro_:

noooo

[03:38:41]

sn9:

pvr is pvr, not dvb

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iamlindoro_:

mpeg-2 type

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minthome:

one sec

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noonan2nd:

ok, how embarrassing, it was as easy as opening windows manager settings and setting them

[03:45:57]

psm321:

:)

[03:46:26]

noonan2nd:

and after days of asking about this in ubuntu – think I'll change my nick : \

[03:47:09]

psm321:

we all run into things like that...

[03:49:19]

noonan2nd:

psm321, yes, one day I'll no longer be a linux noob, but how will I know?

[03:49:46]

sn9:

noonan2nd: you won't; i never did

[03:49:56]

sn9:

know, that is

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code-r:

Does MythTV support Radio Tuners?

[03:50:38]

sn9:

code-r: your board is (was?) Socket A

[03:50:48]

sn9:

no soldered-on cpu

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code-r:

sn9: uhh dam i wish i had a camera

[03:51:06]

minthome:

i think i'm just gonna rebuild from the most recent trunk

[03:51:08]

code-r:

k7sem rev 3.0m

[03:51:13]

minthome:

this build is from october or so

[03:51:15]

code-r:

it has an ONBOARD cpu 1800+

[03:51:20]

code-r:

AND 256 ONBOARD ram!

[03:51:48]

code-r:

nice big yellow heatsink on one of the chips ECS Elite GRoup

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code-r:

if you go to the webiste, select "ON BOARD CHIP"

[03:52:15]

noonan2nd:

oh i know

[03:52:22]

code-r:

the pictures are of a socket.. this is NOT a socket!

[03:52:36]

noonan2nd:

gnight thanks for the pointers

[03:52:55]

code-r:

and examining the board i found of of the capacitors is burnt out!

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sn9:

code-r: then it is not a k7sem, which takes two dimms of ram

[03:53:08]

code-r:

sn9: not MINE

[03:53:14]

code-r:

sn9: its has only ONE dim

[03:53:22]

code-r:

sn9: the other one is ON BOARD

[03:53:22]

sn9:

not k7sem,

[03:53:26]

sn9:

then

[03:53:27]

code-r:

sn9: yues k7sem!

[03:53:39]

code-r:

sn9: the pictures on the esc website are NOT correct for the ONBOARD cpus!

[03:53:46]

code-r:

they made a few of them but they stopped

[03:54:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

code-r: And now you know why... ;-)

[03:54:07]

code-r:

if u want ill take a pic @ work tomorrow to proove it lol

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code-r:

jeffa: it was cheap at the time for what it was for..

[03:58:59]

code-r:

board served me well tilll now

[03:59:40]

minthome:

is the current trunk fux0red?

[04:00:14]

sn9:

minthome: iamlindoro_ says it is, for firewire at least

[04:00:29]

minthome:

firewire? what's that mean?

[04:00:33]

iamlindoro_:

sn9: Most active. Trouble ticket. Ever. ;)

[04:00:49]

minthome:

i don't use anything firewire, so

[04:00:55]

iamlindoro_:

daniel seems hard at work on it, bet he'll get to the bottom of it shortly

[04:00:56]

sn9:

ticket number?

[04:01:22]

iamlindoro_:

sn9: Hehe, It's not really, I'm being dramatic, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4472

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sn9:

code-r: did the board say V3.0C or V3.0m?

[04:06:31]

code-r:

m

[04:07:12]

code-r:

V3.0M (http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Products/Pro . . . amp;LanID=0)

[04:07:16]

code-r:

picture broken :-S

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mkrufky:

i totally just got the atsc/qam driver for the hvr1850 working just now ... im so excited

[04:07:57]

mkrufky:

its a pvrusb2 + digital

[04:08:08]

code-r:

apperntly te pvr 1600 drivers are in beta :)

[04:08:16]

** code-r excited **

[04:08:25]

code-r:

wonder if the plextor HDTV will ever be linuxed

[04:08:28]

mkrufky:

yeah it works — only analog on that right now... but they're working on digital now

[04:08:31]

sn9:

code-r: before, you pasted a V1.0 link

[04:08:36]

mkrufky:

plextor is also supported

[04:08:41]

mkrufky:

but thats unrelated

[04:08:49]

code-r:

sn9: sory, i didnt have the board with me.. i though it was the C but its the M

[04:08:57]

code-r:

mkrufky, : nothte HDTV....

[04:09:02]

code-r:

mkrufky, : or is it ?!?!?

[04:09:09]

sn9:

code-r: 3.0 != 1.0

[04:09:19]

code-r:

sn9: sorry =(

[04:09:23]

sn9:

mkrufky: code-r said 1600, not 1800

[04:09:31]

** code-r feels stupid **

[04:09:42]

mkrufky:

hvr1800 is already fully supported, digital, analog, and mpeg encoder

[04:09:54]

mkrufky:

encoder isnt merged yet, but you can try it:

[04:10:03]

code-r:

oo they are called hvrs now.. dam..

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sn9:

oh? before, you said analog was beta

[04:10:11]

mkrufky:

http://linuxtv.org/hg/~stoth/cx23885-video

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mkrufky:

sn9: that was days ago

[04:10:21]

mkrufky:

its been a busy week :-)

[04:10:24]

sn9:

ah

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code-r:

i gotrs a 1600

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sn9:

so, the new cx18 driver is analog-only?

[04:11:22]

mkrufky:

and that is working , analog supported by the cx18 driver, not merged yet ... digital being worked on _right_now_ ;-)

[04:11:24]

mkrufky:

not me , tho

[04:11:50]

mkrufky:

sorry, i didnt mean to steal the show... whatever conversation was going on .....

[04:11:54]

code-r:

sp 1600 only analog.. thats fine with me :)

[04:11:57]

sn9:

oh, i thought the cx18 beta was digital

[04:11:58]

mkrufky:

im just excited my driver works now :-)

[04:12:12]

code-r:

"There is a new beta from LinuxTV.org with a Conexant cx23418 driver which supports the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1600 card."

[04:12:15]

code-r:

happague website

[04:12:32]

sn9:

mkrufky: did you base the driver on the pvrusb2 one?

[04:12:46]

sn9:

for the 1850

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code-r:

"There is still a lot of work to be done, in particular there is nosupport for the ATSC stream. What is working is basic MPEG capturing, raw YUV capture and raw PCM capture. Also pretty much all of the controls that were also in ivtv are working with cx18."

[04:12:47]

mkrufky:

sn9: ok, you're talking about hvr1950 ===

[04:13:00]

mkrufky:

sn9: first off, analog for that is already working _in_ the pvrusb2 driver

[04:13:15]

sn9:

i'll take that as a yes

[04:13:18]

mkrufky:

digital support, ive started adding support to the pvrusb2 driver for digital

[04:13:25]

mkrufky:

but... that isnt ready yet

[04:13:34]

mkrufky:

however..... i have this other driver, cxusb

[04:13:45]

mkrufky:

i added digital-only support there, and it's working perfectly

[04:14:08]

mkrufky:

so im going to push that up for people to use in the meanwhile, until i finish adding the dvb to pvrusb2

[04:14:10]

sn9:

pvrusb2 — the mcisely tree?

[04:14:13]

mkrufky:

yeah

[04:14:17]

mkrufky:

hes helping with it

[04:14:22]

sn9:

great!

[04:14:41]

code-r:

i wonder when the plextor hdtv will be made

[04:14:42]

code-r:

http://www.plextor.com/English/products/px-HDTV500U.html

[04:15:11]

mkrufky:

sn9: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/press/press_pi . . . ress_hvr1950

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minthome:

should i enable OpenGL vsync for a nvidia card?

[04:17:20]

minthome:

or enable opengl?

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iamlindoro_:

sn9: what was the thread blah blah blah for gdb he wanted?

[04:30:34]

GreyFoxx:

thread apply all bt full

[04:30:56]

sn9:

"thread apply all bt full" which may be abbreviated "t a a bt f"

[04:31:16]

sn9:

heh, beat me to it...

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squish102:

i know this is not linux help, but does any1 know how i find out what process is connected to a port?

[04:32:53]

sn9:

sudo netstat -plunt

[04:32:58]

jams:

GreyFoxx- ever find a ps3 to borrow?

[04:33:17]

squish102:

sn9 thx

[04:33:22]

GreyFoxx:

jams: nope. both people I asked said they use them too much to part withg them for more than a night :)

[04:34:34]

jams:

heh..been using mine for playing dvd's recently when mythdvd craps out.

[04:35:29]

jams:

i suspect it will be used for gaming when metalgear comes out.

[04:37:12]

iamlindoro_:

thank, found it in the logs ;)

[04:37:13]

iamlindoro_:

er thanks

[04:37:26]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Never had any issues with FW tuning while running multirec, huh?

[04:37:41]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: nope

[04:37:46]

iamlindoro_:

Huh. Ah well.

[04:37:57]

GreyFoxx:

and all the channels I record over firewire are 3 characters

[04:38:00]

GreyFoxx:

HD and SD

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, per my last update to the ticket... it's not just 3-digit... can make the same thing happen with Comedy Central, 63

[04:38:29]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok

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iamlindoro_:

So that was a red herring, my mistake

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GreyFoxx:

no worries. Hopefully your BT will help

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squish102:

GreyFoxx, out of interest, any luck on that dsm-320?

[04:44:11]

GreyFoxx:

squish102: Nope, had to return it :)

[04:44:22]

GreyFoxx:

but I'm curious, are you by chance in CAnada ?

[04:44:30]

GreyFoxx:

ok, no

[04:44:30]

squish102:

nope, in the US

[04:44:40]

cal_:

how do i view signal strength of an hdtv channel?

[04:44:52]

bassboi:

press play

[04:45:00]

GreyFoxx:

I made myth output identical packets to working upnp servers, and I mean identical and it still did it

[04:45:12]

GreyFoxx:

since I had to return it someone else will need to track it down

[04:45:20]

Gumby:

can anyone tell me if there is somewhere in mythtv I can change the default 4:3 resolution to 16:9?

[04:45:31]

squish102:

there goes all my hopes on the dsm-320 :(

[04:45:33]

GreyFoxx:

squish102: A few other devs have 320's and 520s

[04:45:39]

GreyFoxx:

so they might find it

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cal_:

bassboi: that pauses it, lol

[04:46:00]

squish102:

oh ok, there is still a glimmer of hope then

[04:46:16]

GreyFoxx:

squish102: Including the guy who wrote most of the upnp stuff

[04:46:28]

GreyFoxx:

so hopefully he'll find it before 0.21 :)

[04:46:29]

squish102:

i thought that was you?

[04:46:33]

GreyFoxx:

no

[04:46:38]

jams:

the 320 isn't exactly chump change for a test peice of equipment.

[04:46:39]

bassboi:

:-P i kid

[04:46:43]

GreyFoxx:

Cdev did the majority of it

[04:46:45]

bassboi:

the mythbusters chick is rather cute

[04:46:55]

GreyFoxx:

squish102: I just did the mythvideo/xbox stuff

[04:47:00]

GreyFoxx:

and minor other stuff

[04:47:12]

squish102:

jams, they were on special for $50 a little while ago...

[04:47:13]

GreyFoxx:

jams: yeah :)

[04:47:45]

squish102:

u can pick up the 320 with the dvd player for a little more

[04:48:08]

jams:

is it a newish model? the 320

[04:48:21]

squish102:

nope, SD only

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beandog:

Does anyone have a DCT3416 box working?

[04:51:05]

beandog:

its a comcast hd thingie.

[04:51:47]

beandog:

theres a description for you.

[04:52:17]

sn9:

beandog: comcast dvr devices have nothing to do with myth

[04:52:28]

beandog:

well you can control it with firewire.

[04:52:35]

sn9:

why?

[04:52:39]

squish102:

jams, if u interested: http://www.buy.com/prod/d-link-wireless-media . . . 0143168.html

[04:52:42]

sn9:

it's already a dvr

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beandog:

I just wanna know if anyones got one working or not, if I should bother

[04:52:50]

beandog:

yah, a DVR with a UI from hell.

[04:53:17]

sn9:

beandog: return it and get yourself a nice DCH3200 for myth

[04:53:26]

beandog:

whats that

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beandog:

oh, another model.

[04:53:42]

sn9:

non-dvr digital-only box w/firewire

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beandog:

sn9: thanks, Ill see what I can do

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sn9:

they'll charge you less per month for it, i think

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jams:

squish102- thx, but i have a few other things i would like to puchase first

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squish102:

jams- it is probably not worth the trouble

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jams:

squish102- plus you just told us it doesn't work with mythpnp =)

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neoalex:

hi guys... just curious has anyone got the Samsung SMT-H3050 working with mythtv via firewire?

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squish102:

jams, GreyFoxx had it working at one stage ;)

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beandog:

sn9: ok

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sn9:

neoalex: probably not yet; have you tried?

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neoalex:

not yet

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neoalex:

is there a list of supported or tested stbs somewhere?

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iamlindoro_:

It would be useless, since each area's STB's are going to behave differently because of headend policies

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sn9:

neoalex: if a model is one that myth lets you choose as the kind you have, it's worth a try

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neoalex:

well I can change my stb, my provider has a few to chose from, though I'd really like to stick with this one

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sn9:

neoalex: is it in myth's list?

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neoalex:

I don't know, where is the list, that's what I'm asking?

[05:01:12]

neoalex:

couldn't find it

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sn9:

set up your box, and myth will ask you what kind

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sn9:

it will ask you to choose from a list

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iamlindoro_:

Nope, just grep'ed the code

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sn9:

i think there was some kind of samsung somewhere in the list, but i don't remember the model

[05:02:57]

neoalex:

iamlindoro_ could you pastebin it for me, didnt' install mythtv yet, or build the htpc

[05:03:15]

iamlindoro_:

it's in the code, firewiredevice.cpp

[05:03:33]

sn9:

neoalex: what is it you like about the samsung, anyway?

[05:03:41]

neoalex:

iamlindoro_ I don't have the code, or anything installed

[05:03:46]

iamlindoro_:

or rather, *not* in the code, heh

[05:04:00]

iamlindoro_:

svn.mythtv.org/svn/browser

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iamlindoro_:

er http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser

[05:04:20]

tcpsyn:

man, my ps3 jacks up myth sometimes.

[05:04:39]

tcpsyn:

when streaming, it'll peg mythbackend.. and then it wont work again until I restart it

[05:04:45]

sn9:

then don't run myth on your ps3

[05:04:47]

neoalex:

sn9: menus guides, look crisper, better then the scientific atlanta I had before, also has the ability to stretch or zoom the image on SD channels which others don't seem to know how to do

[05:05:07]

iamlindoro_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . redevice.cpp

[05:05:15]

iamlindoro_:

Motorola and SA only, and a "generic" setting

[05:05:31]

neoalex:

iamlindoro... thank you

[05:05:41]

neoalex:

maybe I'm lucky and the generic works :D

[05:05:53]

sn9:

neoalex: dunno about samsung, but on motorola, you get none of that over firewire, anyway

[05:06:21]

sn9:

iamlindoro_: i'm positive i saw a "Pace" model in the list

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iamlindoro_:

look at the code

[05:06:52]

neoalex:

sn9... oh yeah... I know I don't get it on the firewire which is good, but I get it on the TV

[05:07:12]

neoalex:

I may just get a second STB just for the HTPC

[05:07:28]

sn9:

neoalex: irrelevant, because your tv will only get stuff from firewire

[05:07:53]

neoalex:

no... I will still connect the STB directly to the TV not just to the HTPC

[05:08:00]

sn9:

why?

[05:08:13]

sn9:

you won't be able to use it that way

[05:08:19]

neoalex:

I don't think I'll have the HTPC on all the time

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sn9:

what's the point of an htpc if it's not always-on?

[05:09:02]

neoalex:

yes I will... I'll have both the HTPC and the STB connected to the TV via HDMI

[05:09:18]

neoalex:

an HDMI switch actually since the TV only has 1 HDMI input

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sn9:

you cannot connect the htpc to the stb over hdmi, only firewire

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tcpsyn:

sn9, I'm not runing myth on the ps3

[05:10:19]

tcpsyn:

I'm streaming it.. upnp

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sn9:

tcpsyn: i was kidding

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tcpsyn:

oh

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neoalex:

sn9: I know... I said I'll connect the HTPC to the TV and the STB to the TV

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neoalex:

then the STB to the HTPC via firewire

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sn9:

neoalex: also, connecting the htpc to the tv would likely work better with vga

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Mythbox:

hey

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Mythbox:

guys i have a ? .. my tuner has a jumper on it that it doesnt mention in the manual

[05:11:58]

Mythbox:

what do you think it does.. one side has a W and the side its set to has a P

[05:12:09]

neoalex:

sn9: I'm buying a mobo with builtin HDMI sound and all

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sn9:

neoalex: ok, but a lot of hdmi tv's can't handle that

[05:12:50]

Mythbox:

anyone have a clue about the jumper?

[05:13:12]

sn9:

Mythbox: not unles you say which tuner

[05:13:22]

neoalex:

sn9 connecting the STB to the HTPC via HDMI could be possible with something like the BlackMagic HDMI capture card... but it's too expensive

[05:13:24]

Mythbox:

Dvico fusion HDTV 3 gold T

[05:13:49]

neoalex:

it should work the mobo is HDMI 1.2 compliant

[05:14:06]

Mythbox:

would it have something do to w/ audio sn9?

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sn9:

neoalex: you blackmagic??? hahahahahaha

[05:14:35]

Mythbox:

could i force analog audio to go thru pci bus rather than thru analog cable?

[05:14:51]

neoalex:

what?

[05:15:21]

Mythbox:

my tv tuner (Dvico fusion HDTV 3 gold ) has a jumper on it and i dunno what it does

[05:15:27]

Mythbox:

one side is marked P and one W

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sn9:

neoalex: i can't believe anybody still falls for the "blackmagic hdmi capture" bit after all this time...

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mchou:

Mythbox: I believe that jumper is for power management

[05:16:54]

Mythbox:

what do you think it does

[05:16:57]

Mythbox:

its set on P right now

[05:17:01]

Mythbox:

what would W do? lol

[05:17:09]

mchou:

Mythbox: PME

[05:17:15]

Mythbox:

?

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neoalex:

sn9: not a good idea in general or just in Linux

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mchou:

Mythbox: google

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sn9:

neoalex: there is no such thing as hdmi capture at all

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Mythbox:

i'm trying i cant find anything other than some have audio jmpers

[05:18:14]

neoalex:

so the whole company is based on a lie?!

[05:18:14]

mchou:

Mythbox: no, google PME

[05:18:48]

sn9:

neoalex: not exactly; the box does do *something*

[05:18:51]

Mythbox:

lol its bringing up a bunch of firms like the PME firm i work for

[05:19:42]

mchou:

Mythbox: basically it allows the remote to turn the box on.

[05:19:48]

neoalex:

sn9... I wasn't even considering the option... as I've said too expensive

[05:19:59]

Mythbox:

ooo

[05:20:00]

Mythbox:

sweet

[05:21:47]

mchou:

Mythbox: when and where did you get the Fusion?

[05:22:02]

Mythbox:

last week, ebay

[05:22:06]

Mythbox:

hwy?

[05:22:07]

Mythbox:

why?

[05:22:41]

mchou:

just wondering. It's out of production, iirc

[05:22:43]

telee:

is there really a difference between 16 and 8 mb cache. Are there any pros/cons?

[05:23:06]

Mythbox:

yeah now they have the version 5

[05:23:17]

Mythbox:

i only paid $40 and it tunes HD and SD

[05:23:19]

mchou:

no, they are up to version 7 now

[05:23:28]

Mythbox:

really? gs lol

[05:23:38]

Mythbox:

think i should have gone for the never version?

[05:23:42]

mchou:

nope

[05:23:53]

Mythbox:

is this a good card?

[05:23:56]

mchou:

newer version doesnt have liinux drivers yet

[05:24:07]

Mythbox:

well version 5 does

[05:24:17]

mchou:

v7 doesnt

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mchou:

:)

[05:24:20]

Mythbox:

i cant seem to get audio to work right right now...

[05:24:26]

Mythbox:

its being a whole

[05:24:27]

Mythbox:

whore*

[05:24:42]

Mythbox:

it'll sound alright then i'll stop watching tv and bring it back up and it'll sound like shit again

[05:24:46]

mchou:

that's what happens when you get fleabay junk

[05:24:56]

Mythbox:

think it has to do w/ the audio driver being used for my sound card tho

[05:25:08]

neoalex:

oh... one more thing: ATI TV Wonder™ Digital Cable Tuner work with MythTV?\

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Mythbox:

if i port the audio via mobo CD-in and use generic audio out its ok

[05:25:26]

mchou:

so? just use that then

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sn9:

neoalex: not the cablecard one

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Mythbox:

no i have a 5.1 system and wanna get 5.1 in HD and in dvds

[05:25:43]

Mythbox:

lol

[05:25:45]

mchou:

anyway, you dont need audio with digital

[05:26:01]

neoalex:

damn... ok thanks

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Mythbox:

yeah but if i use generic 2.0 audio out..

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mchou:

cause audio is in the digital stream already

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Mythbox:

yeah i know that but i have to use my audio card to get 5.1 out

[05:26:24]

Mythbox:

like when i watch a dvd..

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Mythbox:

i'm just gonna stop toying around w/ these mythtv editions

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Mythbox:

just gonna use slackware and put myth on that

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sn9:

neoalex: the only digital stream myth can get from cable is firewire. otherwise, you use an mpeg-encoding analog capture card

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Mythbox:

should have done that from the get go

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mkrufky:

goodnight

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Mythbox:

i'm gonna give LINUX MCE a try just for kicks

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

dont be daft

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Mythbox:

think it'll use a card as old as mine? lol

[05:28:27]

mchou:

Fusion 3 isn't "old"

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sn9:

neoalex: you can't buy the ati device anyway; it's only sold to eom's

[05:28:41]

Mythbox:

i've heard the system is nice when you get it to work lol

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sn9:

*oem's

[05:28:53]

neoalex:

sn9: yeah... and eBay

[05:29:00]

sn9:

really?

[05:29:00]

Mythbox:

just dont know if i wanna go thru the shit to get it workin

[05:29:17]

sn9:

neoalex: item number?

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mchou:

Mythbox: get what working?

[05:29:30]

neoalex:

320205825577

[05:29:42]

neoalex:

170184566458

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mchou:

neoalex: lol

[05:29:51]

neoalex:

there's 3 of them

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Mythbox:

linux MCE

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neoalex:

4... sorry

[05:30:11]

mchou:

neoalex: that's from ppl who figured out it doesnt work on Windows :)

[05:30:30]

Mythbox:

brb

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mchou:

neoalex: and a STB from cableco does more for less :)

[05:30:42]

neoalex:

what... it doesn't even work on windows?!

[05:30:58]

mchou:

neoalex: dude, read the reviews.

[05:31:45]

mchou:

neoalex: they sent a division from both Microsoft and Time Warner and they both couldnt get it to work :)

[05:32:18]

neoalex:

aaah... so they released them anyway... makes perfect sense

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neoalex:

idiots

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mchou:

neoalex: lol, not working never stopped anyone from releasing products

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neoalex:

hmmm... ok... I'm going to get another STB just for the HTPC

[05:33:21]

mchou:

neoalex: http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/21/installing . . . rt-1-fiasco/

[05:33:24]

neoalex:

mchou: yeah... I guess you're right

[05:33:57]

mchou:

neoalex: check out that review when you get a chance

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mchou:

neoalex: hilarious

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MilkBoy:

guess we are lucky to have FTA DVB-C content here

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neoalex:

reading it right, now, already cracking up

[05:34:35]

MilkBoy:

or maybe "free to cable" then =D

[05:34:56]

mchou:

MilkBoy: yeah, count your blessings

[05:35:13]

MilkBoy:

mchou: dunno for how long tho

[05:35:55]

neoalex:

we have unencrypted QAM channels too but they're very few

[05:36:03]

neoalex:

and my provider keeps removing them

[05:36:12]

minthome:

ok, got my analog working, but now my pchdtv 5500 card isn't working

[05:36:32]

minthome:

my only option it seems it the DVB card type

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sn9:

minthome: pchdtv is dvb, yes

[05:37:35]

sn9:

pvr150 is not

[05:37:46]

minthome:

i set it for QAM-256 and it's not picking up anything

[05:37:59]

minthome:

yeah, i got the pvr150 mpeg working fine now

[05:38:49]

sn9:

maybe your splitter is the cheap kind

[05:39:18]

minthome:

nah, it was working fine just an hour ago

[05:39:36]

minthome:

remember... my analog wasn't working, and the OTA was fine...

[05:39:42]

minthome:

now the tables have turned

[05:39:54]

minthome:

it's plugged into an antenna

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sn9:

the analog?

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Mythbox:

anyone here use linux MCE?

[05:40:16]

sn9:

Mythbox: NO!

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minthome:

you were serous about that Mythbox

[05:40:28]

minthome:

lol

[05:40:35]

mchou:

Mythbox: wtf man

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Mythbox:

lol

[05:40:48]

Mythbox:

i'm just wondering what its like

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sn9:

minthome: you plugged the analog into an antenna?

[05:41:06]

mchou:

Mythbox: stop wondering

[05:41:14]

Mythbox:

there was a guy on lastnight that was telling me about it

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minthome:

sn9, i haven't unplugged it... so yeah

[05:41:21]

mchou:

lol

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Mythbox:

said it wasnt bad other then a bitch to get going

[05:41:30]

mchou:

this ought to be interesting.....

[05:41:35]

sn9:

minthome: then your cable is dead

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minthome:

dood

[05:41:41]

minthome:

no

[05:41:45]

neoalex:

mchou: looooooooooool... just finished reading that thing

[05:41:56]

minthome:

may i make myself more clear.... It was working fine an hour ago

[05:42:03]

minthome:

i haven't touched any hardware

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minthome:

just rebuilt myth

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sn9:

the qam256 was working?

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minthome:

yes

[05:42:18]

minthome:

yes

[05:42:18]

mchou:

neoalex: who in their right mind would shell out cash for that junk?

[05:42:20]

minthome:

yes

[05:42:30]

minthome:

for what junk?

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mchou:

neoalex: never mind the time......

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neoalex:

not after reading that... that's for sure

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sn9:

mchou: someone who wants to run linuxmce *on* the damn thing, rather than connected to it...

[05:43:21]

neoalex:

minthome: ATI's CableCard Tuner

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mchou:

sn9: I wasnt talking about linuxmce

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** minthome hasn't owned anything ATI since like 1999 **

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mchou:

minthome: lol. it's now called AMD :)

[05:44:31]

minthome:

oh.. well in that case my mythbox is ATI

[05:44:35]

neoalex:

I made the mistake of paying 5 bucks for a tuner 2 years ago on eBay

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minthome:

*ahem* AMD

[05:44:54]

** minthome goes to tinker more. **

[05:44:56]

neoalex:

but yeah... looks like I'm going to buy a mobo with ATI (AMD) chipset

[05:45:21]

mchou:

neoalex: $5 for tuner aint bad if it includes shipping

[05:45:38]

Mythbox:

man i gotta change my name lol

[05:45:44]

Mythbox:

ppl are saing mythbox

[05:45:45]

Mythbox:

lol

[05:45:45]

neoalex:

it didn't and it's been collecting dust ever since

[05:46:11]

sn9:

[Mon 14 Jan 2008 09:43:26 PM PST] = <mchou> sn9: I wasnt talking about linuxmce <-- huh?

[05:46:12]

neoalex:

it was an ATI tuner... that's was the thing

[05:46:35]

mchou:

sn9: dude, stop jumping in with random crap

[05:46:37]

neoalex:

sn9: he was talking to me about the cablecard tuner from ATI cause I just finished reading that article

[05:46:43]

Mythbox:

MOTHER FUCKIN Linux MCE just formated my hdd lol jk.. well it did but i didnt have anything on the partitions anyway lol

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sn9:

neoalex: he asked who would buy such a thing, and i answered

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mchou:

sn9: you answered a question nobody posed

[05:47:42]

sn9:

[Mon 14 Jan 2008 09:42:07 PM PST] = <mchou> neoalex: who in their right mind would shell out cash for that junk?

[05:47:52]

sn9:

it's posed right there

[05:48:06]

neoalex:

unless you meant running linuxmce on the damn CableCard tuner your answer makes no sense

[05:48:07]

mchou:

sn9: what do you think "that junk" in the quote refers to?

[05:48:23]

sn9:

neoalex: that is *exactly* what i meant

[05:48:37]

neoalex:

that still makes no sense

[05:48:43]

mchou:

sn9: STFU

[05:48:50]

neoalex:

=)))

[05:49:02]

neoalex:

roflmao

[05:49:38]

mchou:

some people need to be beaten with a cluebat

[05:50:22]

neoalex:

hmmm... it looks like timewarner lease for equipment

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sn9:

some people just can't take a joke...

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minthome:

sn9, heh.. it was working... i was just too fucking lazy to let it go thru the entire scan

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minthome:

woot.com has a decent deal today

[06:04:41]

sn9:

on?

[06:04:56]

mchou:

nasty

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mchou:

looks like a frigging fire hazard

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mchou:

I fail to see how that's a good deal under any circumstance

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Mythbox:

hey guys.. good news lol

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Mythbox:

my pc hasn't burst into flames yet lol

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Mythbox:

tho i wonder if it will

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Mythbox:

linux mce is a hog lol.. its configuring the system right now

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telee:

are there any emulators for linux and that work in the games section i see?

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sn9:

sdlmame

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Mythbox:

wow ... what a waste of time.. lol

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Mythbox:

linux mce... :( .. very :(

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Mythbox:

disappointing

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tank-man:

how so?

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Mythbox:

didnt' pick up my old school Dvico fusion HDTV 3 gold T

[06:28:57]

Mythbox:

if i had a better card it would and this center would be great for ppl that dont know linux

[06:29:15]

Mythbox:

i mean its a whole house manager ... dims lights, controls security systems.. its NICE

[06:30:28]

Mythbox:

if it didnt suck ass.. it'd be great lol

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Mythbox:

i'm having all kinds of difficulty getting my system to run w/ this older card .. :( think i'm gonna try mythbuntu and install the ubuntu package from it

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Mythbox:

hopefully that will grab all required drivers

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tcpsyn:

I think I'm gonna try and hook up my stb to one of my tuners..

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tcpsyn:

I can get the other cable HD channels like A&E that way, right.

[06:39:14]

tcpsyn:

could be a fun project

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iamlindoro:

well, you could get them as SD, yes

[06:39:46]

tcpsyn:

oh, well I can get them as SD without the box

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iamlindoro:

Then no point in using the box

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tcpsyn:

why can't I get them in HD if I use the box

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iamlindoro:

Because your box doesn't output ATSC

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iamlindoro:

or clear QAM

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sn9:

or firewire or component

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tcpsyn:

I guess I'm confused at how it works then. I thought the box decoded it so that the output was clear.

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sn9:

clear analog or clear digital?

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iamlindoro:

nope. The box decodes it and plays it back... Coax out of that box is NTSC only

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iamlindoro:

the only way you're recording HD out of that box is via firewire if it's activated or component once Hauppauge gets their capture device released

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tcpsyn:

bummer.

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iamlindoro:

If you could get clear QAM out of a cable box none of us would bitch about how hard it is to get HD in myth

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Mythbox:

what tv tuner brand is typically supported the best in linux?

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iamlindoro:

Hauppauge

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sn9:

firewire *is* activated, except in canada

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sn9:

what's on it is a different matter

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iamlindoro:

sn9: Many exceptions to that statement

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htpcdvbs:

why there so many svns

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tcpsyn:

Yeah, but how does myth record firewire.. firewire isn't a tuner.

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iamlindoro:

lots of places that don't comply

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iamlindoro:

the box is the tuner, the firewire is the output

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tcpsyn:

right, but how would you set firewire as the tuner in myth

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iamlindoro:

with the "firewire" card type?

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Tanthrix:

The box essentially tunes the frequency and decrypts it, then outputs the MPEG2 stream straight out the firewire. Myth treats it as such.

[06:44:31]

tcpsyn:

see, didn't know there was one.

[06:44:39]

tcpsyn:

neat

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tcpsyn:

I could try firewire..

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tcpsyn:

I will.

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iamlindoro:

some people get nothing at all, many people get network channels, and a few people get everything via firewire

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tcpsyn:

I get network channels clear

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iamlindoro:

doesn't mean you will via *firewire*

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iamlindoro:

I get about 20 channels in QAM clear... and all but about 5 of my channels in the clear via firewire

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sn9:

tcpsyn: iamlindoro gets cbs over clearqam, but not over firewire

[06:45:54]

iamlindoro:

but it could go the other way, too... you could get nothing at all

[06:46:29]

iamlindoro:

doesn't cost you anything to find out, though

[06:46:37]

tcpsyn:

nope.

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Mythbox:

hey i'm setting up what will be my recording HDD for myth.. what format is the best to use for the HDD that myth will be reading/ writing data to

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sn9:

IF you already have a firewire stb

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tcpsyn:

I'll have to look at it. I'm not going to do it tonight, I was just curious.

[06:47:30]

sn9:

Mythbox: you can't change that anyway, only transcode

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Mythbox:

no.. the hdd itself.. i'm formating it

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sn9:

oh, that. there's a section regarding that in the myth manual

[06:48:19]

Mythbox:

i need to know what format should my storage partition be.. ie, fat 32 so win can read it too or reiserfs, ext3?

[06:48:51]

sn9:

fat32 won't work at all; the files get too big

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Mythbox:

are you sure?

[06:49:14]

Mythbox:

i've used it in the past w/ a diff recording software

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purserj:

Mythbox: yeah

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Mythbox:

worked then

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purserj:

fat32 only supports up to 2GB

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sn9:

win can read ext3 anyway

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Mythbox:

ohhh

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Mythbox:

alright well.. should i go ext3?

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sn9:

with the right driver

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Mythbox:

wait are you sure?

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purserj:

Mythbox: that Win can read ext3?

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sn9:

yes, there is an ext3 driver for win

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purserj:

Yes, I used to run it

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tcpsyn:

yes.

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Mythbox:

my storage partition in my main box is fat32 and i have all kinds of files in it

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Mythbox:

i have some things 4+g

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Mythbox:

and it still works right

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sn9:

single files?

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Mythbox:

yeah

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Mythbox:

i have iso's on it

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sn9:

dvd isos?

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Mythbox:

i have the 3.8g hog known as linux mce in iso form on it

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Mythbox:

well if i were to use samba for a file server i could write to it w/ that in win anyway right

[06:52:14]

sn9:

wait — did you let win touch that fat32?

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Mythbox:

yeah i read and write to it in both linux and win

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Mythbox:

i've used about every distro known to me on it

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sn9:

win autoconverts fat32 to ntfs without asking whenever it feels like it

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Mythbox:

no its still fat32

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Mythbox:

i'm lookin at it in gparted right now

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sn9:

when it does this, it still says it's fat32

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Mythbox:

well why can some of my linux distros that dont have ntfs support still read it yet cant read my other drives that are ntfs?

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sn9:

even the linuxmce iso?

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iamlindoro:

Here's a way to test. Start writing to it, and when it fails horribly and the drive stops working, you'll know it was writing an NTFS partition

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Mythbox:

lol

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Mythbox:

i think i'm just gonna use fat32 unless i can get another one to be easily read in linux

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Mythbox:

i mean windows*

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Mythbox:

i'll be taking this hdd home once in a while.. wanna be able to watch recorded movies at my moms

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sn9:

the ext3 driver for win works better than ntfs support in lin

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iamlindoro:

Listen to sn9, that's a very bad idea for myth

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Mythbox:

hmmm

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Mythbox:

dang it lol

[06:56:17]

Mythbox:

i wonder why on my main box its fine?

[06:56:25]

Mythbox:

but i trust you guys

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Mythbox:

whats a good format for something like myth?

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purserj:

ext3 is fine

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sn9:

i like jfs, myself

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Mythbox:

the OS is on reiserfs

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sn9:

eww

[06:56:59]

purserj:

urggh

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iamlindoro:

MurderFS, mmmmm

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Mythbox:

can jfs be read in win?

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sn9:

Mythbox: no

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Mythbox:

lol whats wrong w/ fs?

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iamlindoro:

But ZFS can be read on Mac OS X. And that's what's important here.

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Mythbox:

lol

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sn9:

iamlindoro: it can? newz to me

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iamlindoro:

sn9: Yup!

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sn9:

osx can read ntfs, too — but not write

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purserj:

hell you can get ZFS running on linux, through FUSE but it works

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hachi:

I'm trying to get mythweb to let me download episodes

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hachi:

I know the file exists, I can play the episode on my TV

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sn9:

purserj: don't try it at home

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purserj:

sn9: I don't intend to

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hachi:

but when I click on the episode in mythweb, it says unknown recording requested

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hachi:

anyone know what the deal is?

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Mythbox:

so why does fat32 supposedly not like big files?

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purserj:

I'll wait until someone realises you can add ZFS support the same way that Nvidia does their kernel stuff

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Mythbox:

just wondering why

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iamlindoro:

stop saying supposedly, it doesn't.

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Mythbox:

lol alright sorry.. why doesnt it

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hachi:

ZFS isn't usable right now

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purserj:

It wasn't written to

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hachi:

it expects memory to be allocated anytime it requests it

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iamlindoro:

Because it was invented in a time when nobody could imagine a file that big

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Floppe:

fat32 is designed so it supports only max 4Gb files..old fs, move to a new one

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hachi:

if there isn't any ram, it crashes, hard

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sn9:

Mythbox: because fat is from the 1970s when there were no files that big?

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purserj:

fat32 was released at a time when 2GB per file was something that super computers dealt with

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hachi:

and you don't want your FS to crash when you're using it

[07:00:20]

purserj:

not el cheapo home pc's

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Mythbox:

alright you've got me sold lol

[07:00:42]

Mythbox:

how large will ext3 support?

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hachi:

16GB to 2TB

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sn9:

larger than you'll have, but the bigger they are, the slower they delete

[07:01:24]

Mythbox:

what about jfs?

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hachi:

depends on the block size

[07:01:39]

purserj:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3#Size_limits

[07:01:51]

sn9:

that's why if you use ext3 for myth, you have to enable myth's "slow delete" option

[07:01:58]

purserj:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFS_%28file_system%29

[07:02:02]

hachi:

JFS is huge files, I forget

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iamlindoro:

Anything modern supports more disks than you can afford, trust me

[07:02:12]

hachi:

64bit file size, I think

[07:02:34]

Mythbox:

i know i just want one that will be good for reading and writing to

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purserj:

ext3 is your beast then

[07:02:53]

purserj:

it's the default for most linux distro's

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Mythbox:

alright

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iamlindoro:

hmmmm, there's a stumper... a file system that supports reading and writing you say?

[07:03:02]

Mythbox:

haha

[07:03:05]

Mythbox:

not like that..

[07:03:11]

Mythbox:

i meant which is the best

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Mythbox:

for fast reading and writing

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Mythbox:

but w/ an esata connection.. lol

[07:03:29]

hachi:

anyone here use mythweb?

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tcpsyn:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

No such thing. Each file system has things it does more or less well than the other

[07:03:38]

purserj:

hachi: I do

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tcpsyn:

hachi, mythweb owns.

[07:03:49]

hachi:

what kind of recording card do you guys have?

[07:03:51]

iamlindoro:

if you have to ask, then just accept the default of whatever distro you are installing

[07:03:57]

hachi:

I've got a PVR150...

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sn9:

eventually, files will get so big that we'll need a separate file for each file just to hold its size

[07:04:10]

hachi:

I think mythweb is broken and doesn't let you download mpeg files perhaps

[07:04:24]

purserj:

hachi: let me check my install

[07:04:25]

tcpsyn:

hachi, have you read the readme and made the symbolic links?

[07:04:31]

iamlindoro:

sn9: Yeah, sure... next thing you'll say that files will be bigger than 4 GB some day... dreamer!

[07:04:46]

tcpsyn:

hachi, and checked the mod_rewrite rules in httpd.conf?

[07:05:00]

hachi:

are you kidding me? this is done with mod_rewrite?

[07:05:02]

sn9:

iamlindoro: files are already bigger than 4GB

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xris:

hachi: more likely there's something not set up right on your system

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hachi:

I totally wasn't looking at my bloody apache config

[07:05:23]

iamlindoro:

sn9: I like to believe that sarcasm is not lost on you... don't tell me I'm wrong

[07:05:25]

hachi:

*hate* mod rewrite

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tcpsyn:

hachi, check out the readme.

[07:05:48]

** iamlindoro observes humor sailing over sn9's hear **

[07:05:50]

iamlindoro:

head

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sn9:

iamlindoro: it's lost in this specific case — i don't get it

[07:05:52]

tcpsyn:

xris, I've had issues with mythweb lately too.

[07:05:55]

tcpsyn:

but, it works.

[07:06:08]

xris:

tcpsyn: only issue I know of is the preview pixmap thing

[07:06:08]

tcpsyn:

sometimes it just makes mythbackend go crazy

[07:06:31]

xris:

that's the one

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tcpsyn:

well, it's hard to tell if it's specific to my machine.

[07:08:16]

iamlindoro:

it's not

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tcpsyn:

but if the screensaver comes on while I'm watching in full screen mode, when I move the mouse the buttons for the flash player disappear.

[07:08:55]

tcpsyn:

on firefox in windows

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Mythbox:

holyshit ext3 is slow to format

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iamlindoro:

that's also not just you

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iamlindoro:

Mythbox: You must be used to the windows "format that's not really a format"

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tcpsyn:

going through the recorded programs sometimes completely crashes mythbackend.

[07:09:46]

sn9:

iamlindoro: jfs formats faster than ntfs or fat

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Mythbox:

no i just formated 350g a min ago in reiser and it flew

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Mythbox:

did it again in ext3 and it took forever

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iamlindoro:

tcpsyn: Again, not just you...

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tcpsyn:

and, a lot of the time, once I start streaming something, it doesn't buffer enough, and it will just play the same 5 seconds of the recording over and over.

[07:10:21]

** iamlindoro gives up. **

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Mythbox:

lol

[07:10:31]

iamlindoro:

ya know what? It's you. Your backend is fucked. Reformat.

[07:10:33]

tcpsyn:

iamlindoro, heh.

[07:10:37]

Mythbox:

haha

[07:10:40]

Mythbox:

haha

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Mythbox:

iamlindoro, hilarious

[07:10:56]

tcpsyn:

iamlindoro, I hear you on the it's not me thing, I'm just letting xris know.

[07:11:12]

iamlindoro:

xris does Mythweb... he knows. :)

[07:11:18]

hachi:

mythweb doesn't have anything about symlinks in its readme, and the rewrite rules make it talk to mythweb.pl

[07:11:18]

Mythbox:

lol what distros are you guys running

[07:11:21]

sn9:

Mythbox: the reiserfs equivalent of chkdsk.exe is just as fast as formatting it, because they do pretty much the same thing

[07:11:22]

Mythbox:

i'm still shoppin lol

[07:11:23]

tcpsyn:

02:05 <+xris> tcpsyn: only issue I know of is the preview pixmap thing

[07:11:43]

tcpsyn:

iamlindoro, apparently not :)

[07:12:07]

iamlindoro:

Trust me. He knows about what you mentioned.

[07:12:09]

Mythbox:

anyone else have probs using an esata drive?

[07:12:12]

xris:

hachi: using trunk or .20

[07:12:13]

xris:

?

[07:12:25]

tcpsyn:

iamlindoro, word.

[07:12:34]

Mythbox:

seems like its not getting picked up when i start it then my pc like you're supposed to

[07:12:46]

tcpsyn:

it's still miles ahead of mythstreamtv

[07:12:49]

sn9:

Mythbox: which sata controller do you have?

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hachi:

.20

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Mythbox:

i didnt see anything in the bios.. you think i may have missed it

[07:13:00]

Mythbox:

to be honest i dont know

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tcpsyn:

although, mythstreamtv got me through the night shift for a long time.

[07:13:05]

Mythbox:

i bought this box on ebay

[07:13:10]

Mythbox:

well that box.. not this current one

[07:13:24]

sn9:

Mythbox: is the sata on a card?

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Mythbox:

no i have the esata connected to the sata on the mobo

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sn9:

chipset?

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Mythbox:

whats the eariest sata lol

[07:14:27]

sn9:

which brand of chipset?

[07:14:30]

Mythbox:

thats prolly what it is.. this box has a p4 2.26ghz

[07:14:39]

Mythbox:

i dont knwo man i cant get to the box right now

[07:14:48]

Mythbox:

its in the other room and someones sleepin lol

[07:14:57]

hachi:

hey, guess what I found

[07:14:58]

sn9:

hopefully, it's an intel chipset

[07:15:03]

hachi:

another stupid timezone mistake in the code

[07:15:22]

sn9:

in the bios, make sure the pci latency timer is set to 248

[07:15:25]

hachi:

one of these days I'll get around to writing up a paper about this

[07:15:27]

Mythbox:

i'd assume it is i'm pretty sure the entire thing is intel

[07:16:10]

xris:

hachi: no symlinks in trunk... I think .20 might have had a symlink to the video dir, but it's been so long since I've looked at that code, I don't remember.

[07:16:12]

Mythbox:

ok

[07:16:15]

xris:

what exactly isn't happening?

[07:16:29]

Mythbox:

hey is it possible to have an external hdd connected to one pc via esata and another usb?

[07:16:44]

CaptObviousman:

humm, strange error when it goes to link against lame

[07:16:48]

hachi:

not allowing me to download the file from mythweb

[07:16:53]

hachi:

I found the bug already I think

[07:16:53]

sn9:

Mythbox: abso-freakin-lutely not

[07:17:08]

Mythbox:

lol i kind of figured that

[07:17:09]

Mythbox:

lol

[07:17:18]

CaptObviousman:

/usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-slamd64-linux/4.1.2/../../../../x86_64-slamd64-linux/bin/l d: /usr/lib64/libmp3lame.a(lame.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC

[07:17:19]

Mythbox:

just thought i'd ask lol

[07:17:21]

xris:

hachi: "not allowing" how?

[07:17:36]

xris:

like 404, or 500, or just not sending data, or requesting auth....?

[07:17:36]

hachi:

xris: "Unknown recording requested. "

[07:17:45]

hachi:

and yes, I've found the bug

[07:17:48]

sn9:

Mythbox: at least, not at the same time

[07:17:52]

xris:

which is what?

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Mythbox:

yeah

[07:18:09]

hachi:

bad timezone coding

[07:18:15]

iamlindoro:

sort of a small insectlike creature, but that's not important right now

[07:18:23]

Mythbox:

well i could have it unmounted then remount it and all that happy shit

[07:18:25]

hachi:

it assumes all the machines are in the same timezone once again

[07:18:26]

iamlindoro:

</Airplane>

[07:18:30]

xris:

hachi: ahh... so not a bug, but a configuration problem

[07:18:33]

Mythbox:

i'd rather just connect over the network

[07:18:36]

hachi:

no, it's a bug

[07:18:44]

hachi:

it's been a bug in every piece of software I've ever worked on

[07:18:51]

hachi:

I refuse to let them call it a config problem

[07:18:55]

xris:

hachi: I don't know anyone whose house crosses a timezone

[07:19:08]

hachi:

As a rule I don't run mysql in my local timezone

[07:19:15]

hachi:

when you move, it just causes havoc

[07:19:21]

hachi:

and I don't just use mysql for mythtv

[07:19:23]

hachi:

so

[07:19:36]

hachi:

I'm fixing it already

[07:20:15]

xris:

easier to just tell mysql to store the dates in UTC, but translate on the fly based on the local system timezone.

[07:20:23]

xris:

sort of like how the hardware clock is set in most linux boxes.

[07:20:26]

hachi:

and that's how they didn't write it

[07:20:44]

xris:

"they"?

[07:20:56]

iamlindoro:

shhhh, they'll hear you

[07:20:57]

hachi:

whoever wrote mythtv

[07:21:11]

hachi:

I mean, it could be you, I dunno

[07:21:13]

** iamlindoro coughs uncomfortably. **

[07:21:16]

hachi:

I haven't looked at the authors file

[07:21:22]

xris:

hachi: I'm talking about mysql setup/config

[07:21:30]

xris:

fyi, I'm the "they" for mythweb

[07:21:45]

Mythbox:

well i'm gonna get some Zs

[07:21:50]

Mythbox:

u gents have a good night

[07:21:53]

Mythbox:

and thanks for all the help

[07:22:31]

hachi:

well, then I'm sorry for griping about you, but this is the sort of mistake that I would have been made fun of for a week at my job

[07:22:41]

xris:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/time-zone-support.html

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hachi:

mysql is running in UTC, mythtv is running in PST

[07:23:19]

xris:

hachi: given that 99.999% of mythtv users set things up to run in a single time zone, I think we're doing better than most data centers.

[07:23:20]

sn9:

i'm gonna sign off soon too — macworld expo tomorrow, and i might not be back until it's over. then again, i might...

[07:23:37]

xris:

hachi: yeah.. so configure the server to default all client connections to your local timezone...

[07:23:44]

hachi:

sn9: I work about 1/4 of a mile from the moscone :)

[07:23:51]

hachi:

xris: uh... no

[07:23:53]

iamlindoro:

I can't wait to help that guy sort out his FAT32 formatted myth box running an external hard drive plugged into two machines running LinuxMCE

[07:24:01]

xris:

server runs in UTC, client connections auto-set to local... all is happy

[07:24:02]

hachi:

that would break other things of mine that run in UTC

[07:24:38]

sn9:

hachi: then you have less of a walk than i do from powell station

[07:24:40]

xris:

hachi: just saying... if your only reason is to avoid hassle when you move, it's a heck of a lot easier to edit the mysql setup rather than hack stuff into every time-sensitive mysql-using app you have.

[07:24:54]

xris:

anyway, I need to crash...

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hachi:

I'm gonna make patches for mythtv, personally

[07:25:52]

hachi:

if upstream doesn't one them, oh well... this is my way of dealing

[07:26:25]

iamlindoro:

you do realize he would be the one to approve them, right?

[07:26:41]

iamlindoro:

and that you've virtually guaranteed that anything your write won't be approved?

[07:26:45]

iamlindoro:

er you

[07:27:00]

** hachi shrugs **

[07:27:01]

hachi:

oh well

[07:27:04]

hachi:

that's my fault now

[07:27:07]

iamlindoro:

yup

[07:27:10]

hachi:

I got angry and said things

[07:28:19]

hachi:

I actually hate myself for this a lot of the time... but I never seem to learn, honest truth

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sn9:

alt.whatever.fork.fork.fork

[07:29:50]

hachi:

nah, git rebasing

[07:30:08]

Tanthrix:

I think I agree with xris on this. Much better to keep time issues centralized, rather than coding in a bunch of complex stuff for every program

[07:30:09]

hachi:

and if I license it properly then they can take them and not give credit cause I'm a bastard

[07:30:39]

hachi:

Tanthrix: that's usually done by storing all times as UTC and only localizing it on the frontend

[07:30:53]

hachi:

it's sorta related to the language issue as well

[07:31:14]

sn9:

hachi: well, no. berne convention does not provide for that

[07:31:21]

Tanthrix:

hachi: That seems like the most reasonable solution, since UTC never changes, while pretty much everything else does.

[07:31:47]

Tanthrix:

hachi: Be it moving to a different time zone, DST, etc.

[07:32:21]

CCFL_Man2:

whats a good way to get a digital transport stream into mythtv?

[07:32:32]

hachi:

berne convention? I kinda think you're reaching with that... but would you explain so I don't think that?

[07:32:47]

Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: Please explain further.

[07:33:01]

mzb_d800:

the only timezone issue I'm aware of is with php5 + mythweb ... but then I only use a single zone

[07:33:02]

CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: i have a dvb-asi source

[07:33:03]

Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: You mean to import a TS file you have lying around?

[07:33:08]

sn9:

the berne convention does not define exceptions for bastardliness

[07:33:17]

hachi:

oh

[07:33:31]

hachi:

I thought you were talking about timezones

[07:33:42]

hachi:

what does the berne convention say about me :\

[07:33:44]

CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: live transport stream from an ird, outputs dvb-asi

[07:34:09]

Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: Sorry, outside of my experience.

[07:34:21]

CCFL_Man2:

there are dvb-asi pci cards, but they are a couple thousand dollars and hard to find

[07:34:24]

CCFL_Man2:

ahh

[07:34:40]

Tanthrix:

hachi: What's your specific beef with the way myth handles time zones?

[07:35:00]

hachi:

I've got 3 different machines here

[07:35:13]

hachi:

master backend, frontend/recording backend, and mysql server

[07:35:17]

hachi:

not normal, yes

[07:35:20]

sn9:

in 3 different timezones

[07:35:27]

hachi:

nah, it was just in two

[07:35:35]

hachi:

but it still drove me nuts trying to syncronize it

[07:35:43]

sn9:

that's still more timezones than me

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Tanthrix:

hachi: I take it the two myth systems are in your time zone, and the mysql server is elsewhere?

[07:36:30]

CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: i can use hdtv cards to get qam signals, but i need one modulator per channel

[07:36:34]

iamlindoro:

he just runs it in UTC

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hachi:

Tanthrix: original headache was backend and mysql were in UTC, frontend was in PST

[07:37:38]

hachi:

couldn't get it right at all, then I figured out that mythfilldatabase was being run in UTC as well

[07:37:44]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: It may be the only option as I don't believe myth has any DVB-ASI capability, unless v2l-dvb allows it to exist as a generic DVB device

[07:38:00]

hachi:

it's all good now, except mythweb is going by the DB

[07:38:10]

iamlindoro:

If the ASI devices are not v4l-compliant, then it's the only way

[07:38:46]

Tanthrix:

hachi: It still makes sense to me keep things centralized. IE, mysql runs in UTC, then when you connect you specify what time zone you're in.

[07:39:16]

hachi:

Tanthrix: I agree with you, I'm working on that

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Tanthrix:

hachi: Specify with mysql I mean, not something special in every frontend that ever existed

[07:39:57]

hachi:

sure, I'm okay with that too

[07:40:17]

Tanthrix:

I thought xris just mentioned that idea and you took issue with it though

[07:40:49]

hachi:

no, I'm just having issues with the current state of mythtv's handling

[07:40:59]

hachi:

I want it to be normalized to UTC in the storage and on the wire

[07:41:34]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: there are two venders that have linux drivers and userland programs for their dvb-asi cards, it should work with myth

[07:41:47]

hachi:

that way frontends and backends can cross boundaries, and you could do weird things like... have your DSS listings in eastern time and local TV channels in local time, or whatever :)

[07:42:00]

Tanthrix:

By the way, does anyone here get segfaults upon exiting mythfrontend?

[07:42:02]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: any old video device that works in linux will not work in myth

[07:42:13]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: It needs v4l

[07:42:21]

Tanthrix:

I've been getting them for the past 2–3 versions I've used – not a big deal, but it's kinda annoying on a personal level

[07:43:03]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: even if it creates a device node and has a userland program to dump a stream to something?

[07:43:04]

sn9:

video devices work in linux without v4l?

[07:43:29]

iamlindoro:

sn9: They do if the vendor writes their own implementation

[07:43:34]

sn9:

ick

[07:44:07]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Even if there's a program to dump the stream, myth has no facility to access a DVB stream that is not V4L-DVB

[07:44:32]

CCFL_Man2:

two venders offer dvb-asi cards with linux drivers

[07:44:36]

CCFL_Man2:

hmm..

[07:44:38]

iamlindoro:

So?

[07:44:41]

CCFL_Man2:

interesting

[07:44:45]

iamlindoro:

Doesn't mean myth can use them

[07:45:03]

sn9:

doesn't mean it can't, either

[07:45:15]

mzb_d800:

hachi: the mythweb timezone is set by php options (ref: php5)

[07:45:17]

CCFL_Man2:

mplayer can't view the stream either?

[07:45:22]

mzb_d800:

(afaik)

[07:45:28]

iamlindoro:

couldn't tell you

[07:45:39]

hachi:

mzb_d800: I'm looking at a perl script here :\

[07:46:01]

iamlindoro:

can't even guarantee that there's no way to *make* it work with myth... just that myth requires a V4L-DVB device to get DVB in

[07:46:24]

iamlindoro:

And you're talking about an awful lot of expenditure to do something that you can't be sure will work

[07:46:36]

iamlindoro:

Having linux drivers != working in myth

[07:46:41]

mzb_d800:

hachi:

[07:46:44]

mzb_d800:

bedtv:~# grep -i timezone /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini

[07:46:44]

mzb_d800:

; Defines the default timezone used by the date functions

[07:46:44]

mzb_d800:

date.timezone = Australia/Hobart

[07:47:17]

mzb_d800:

(for eg)

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: myth needs the v4l api to interface with any device?

[07:48:19]

iamlindoro:

most devices... there are a few special cases like the HDHomeRun, firewire, etc... ASI cards are *not* one of those special cases

[07:48:58]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: why can't an asi card be seen as firewire?

[07:49:08]

bassboi:

pants!

[07:49:10]

iamlindoro:

because it's not firewire?

[07:50:01]

CCFL_Man2:

it's not doing any tuning, it's just grabbing the transport stream, like firewire

[07:50:11]

iamlindoro:

mythtv does firewire via libiec61883, libraw1394, and a few other libraries... none of which deal with ASI cards

[07:50:22]

Tanthrix:

It might be similar, but unless you're skilled enough to hack the code, it's definately not the same thing

[07:50:32]

iamlindoro:

the firewire card type for myth isn't just some random thing you can point a stream at

[07:50:49]

Tanthrix:

Though, from the sound of it, it would be trivial to implement something like that

[07:51:10]

CCFL_Man2:

so myth uses a different api for firewire, but an api nontheless?

[07:51:11]

iamlindoro:

Sounds like CCFL_Man2 has some coding to do ;)

[07:51:16]

Tanthrix:

hhe

[07:51:36]

iamlindoro:

yes

[07:51:59]

Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: Myth obviously has the means to work with transport streams. Digital tuners, firewire, etc.. all produce simple transport streams. As of now though, there is no way to just point myth to /blah/whatever and have it expect a direct TS stream to come from that

[07:52:12]

iamlindoro:

I'm not trying to prevent you from doing it, merely telling you that this is *not* the out of the box solution you're trying to make it out to be

[07:52:42]

Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: It's probably something one of the devs around here could whip up in about 3 seconds, but it's definately not going to work as it stands

[07:53:00]

CCFL_Man2:

so even though mplayer might be able to use the card, without some sort of specific api, mythtv can't use it?

[07:53:13]

CCFL_Man2:

ahh, i see

[07:54:32]

CCFL_Man2:

the one vender has api actually

[07:54:41]

CCFL_Man2:

dektek

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t0ny-p40:

I just built a ir to audio thing and I can only get a signal when the remote is less then a inch way

[07:58:28]

t0ny-p40:

away*

[07:58:38]

Gumby:

hello all. can anyone suggest where mythtv gets its font size from? I've built a ubuntu system from the group up pretty much (not from a full livecd install) and the fonts in mythtv are super tiny. too small to even read in fact. Does anyone know how I might remedy this? ive already tried to use the "big" fonts in the setup

[07:58:39]

t0ny-p40:

What would cause this?

[07:58:51]

Gumby:

t0ny-p40: dead batteries?

[07:59:00]

t0ny-p40:

Batteries are fresh

[07:59:03]

iamlindoro:

Gumby: They're in the theme xml files

[07:59:19]

iamlindoro:

hardcoded

[07:59:30]

iamlindoro:

you can edit them to change the various usages

[07:59:30]

CaptObviousman:

ir to audio? meaning it converts 1s and 0s to FSK or something?

[07:59:31]

Tanthrix:

Gumby: DPI issues can cause those sorts of problems.

[07:59:43]

Gumby:

iamlindoro: there must be something else though, there is no way they would be hard coded at this size.

[07:59:57]

iamlindoro:

Myth is supposed to be at 75 dpi, I believe

[07:59:57]

t0ny-p40:

CaptObviousman, pretty much this http://mediagate.pbwiki.com/f/IR_receiver.jpg

[08:00:03]

iamlindoro:

you are probably running much higher

[08:00:15]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: 100DPI actually.

[08:00:24]

Gumby:

if normal desktop fonts are say 10–12pt then my current mythtv fonts are like... 2pt

[08:00:28]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: Is that right? Hmmm, wonder where I got 75

[08:00:37]

Gumby:

Im already running at 100DPI

[08:00:39]

hachi:

it's funny, there's an #ivtv-dev channel

[08:00:42]

hachi:

with people in it

[08:00:50]

hachi:

nobody has said a word in 4 days

[08:00:58]

CaptObviousman:

well the immediate thought that comes to mind is that you need a preamp or something

[08:01:13]

iamlindoro:

That's that channel, they're slow to respond. But they're there.

[08:01:32]

t0ny-p40:

CaptObviousman, I wonder if my senor needs more power or something.

[08:01:32]

Tanthrix:

Gumby: Check with xdpyinfo just to be sure

[08:01:37]

t0ny-p40:

Its from a tivo :P

[08:01:43]

CaptObviousman:

the strength of the incoming signal determines the voltage on the signal line

[08:01:45]

t0ny-p40:

I want to use my old tivo remote

[08:02:04]

iamlindoro:

It's also possible that if you are missing a font called by the themes, that it would default to some next font that is causing you trouble

[08:02:06]

Gumby:

Tanthrix: resolution: 100x99 dots per inch

[08:02:12]

** CaptObviousman has never seen someone try this before **

[08:02:23]

Gumby:

iamlindoro: hrm, Ill look into that one

[08:02:56]

CaptObviousman:

t0ny-p40: you clearly need some kind of signal boost

[08:02:57]

iamlindoro:

on ubuntu I believe one of the packages is msttcorefonts

[08:02:57]

Tanthrix:

Gumby: That's close enough, so it's probably not that issue.

[08:03:09]

CaptObviousman:

try using a headphone amp, 1/4 or 1/2 watt

[08:03:39]

Gumby:

my OSD fonts are fine. Its the guide fonts that are messed up. Ive just made some changes. Going to test

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t0ny-p40:

CaptObviousman, would it be safe to use the +5v from the usb instead of the mic port?

[08:04:40]

hachi:

as long as you don't expect more than 100ma

[08:04:52]

t0ny-p40:

I thought usb is 500ma max

[08:04:53]

Gumby:

I jacked up my desktop fonts to about 14pt. mythtv looks usable now. :)

[08:05:02]

hachi:

500 if the device negotiates for it

[08:05:03]

Gumby:

that hadnt worked before

[08:05:10]

hachi:

100ma unnegotiated

[08:05:22]

hachi:

you have to have a 'smart' device in effect

[08:05:22]

Gumby:

but I guess a few tweaks I had done since then helped it to work this time :)

[08:05:28]

t0ny-p40:

how much would the sensor need?

[08:06:37]

hachi:

probably not 100ma, I'm betting :)

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CaptObviousman:

not a whole lot, no

[08:15:30]

CaptObviousman:

your problem is that the input signal is probably only tens of uV. Hard to pick out against the noise floor

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mdew-home:

i said something stupid at work today, to one of the pretty girls in the office, (i sit on a big excerise ball at my desk), and she borrowed another excerise ball to sit down at a desk.. then i made the comment (not thinking here..) "we like balls dont we?

[08:24:02]

mdew-home:

i suck :(

[08:24:12]

CaptObviousman:

sounds corny, but rather harmless

[08:24:26]

CaptObviousman:

dating at the office = bad

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mdew-home:

yeah i suppose

[08:24:56]

mdew-home:

but when you nothing else to look at all day..

[08:24:57]

CaptObviousman:

when you break up you still see each other around, and it's just awkward and can turn ugly real fast

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Daviey:

or dear, fun stops now

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justinh:

morning. hope today ends up better than yesterday did

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justinh:

QQQQ Daviey :)

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Daviey:

justinh: what happend yesterday?

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justinh:

mondays are bad, always

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justinh:

though I was slightly intruiged by the fact paulh said he's been playing with the new ui code over xmas & had stuff whizzing about

[08:34:26]

justinh:

da bling may be on its way for good or for bad ;)

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justinh:

and yeah I'm considering changing my licences again. to hell widdit.. gpl is looking likely. more work for you I know but less bad vibes I hope

[08:37:33]

justinh:

my only concern is that folks end up using my images & putting them in crap themes I don't want my name associated with, but that's also a concern with Creative Commons and an occupational hazard

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CCFL_Man2:

- DTAPI : C++ API that wraps the driver calls into an easy-to-use and object-oriented programming interface.

[08:39:18]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: the dektek linux driver package includes a precompiled api

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CCFL_Man2:

closed source, but used for allowing userland programs to access the hardware

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justinh:

hahaha doggy is going mental. he's wet & trying to dry himself on the carpet. man we're gonna need to change that carpet soon

[08:40:58]

CCFL_Man2:

the card that i want costs $4000

[08:41:06]

justinh:

yowl

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justinh:

what card is that? lemme guess – some kind of hd capture device...?

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Daviey:

justinh: home today?

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CCFL_Man2:

shame, it's exactly what i need

[08:41:43]

justinh:

Daviey: going to work shortly

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: dvb-asi card

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Daviey:

justinh: Dog had many accidents?

[08:42:26]

justinh:

Daviey: two, and he was ill both times. his stomach's totally settled now though

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Daviey:

justinh: thats good

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justinh:

Daviey: lucky for us both times were on the kitchen floor which is tiled

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Daviey:

not so good if you walk downstairs to get a drink during the night:(

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Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: What the hell is DVB-ASI anyway?

[08:44:12]

justinh:

talking to a trainer about his social skills. only thing 'wrong'. doesn't bark at home, very obedient at home, doesn't beg or greed... just not good when he first meets other doggies

[08:44:42]

justinh:

well when I say not good he pulls a bit & barks etc.. not major violence

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Daviey:

trainer?!

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justinh:

not that he pays a blind bit of attention to us outside either

[08:45:18]

justinh:

Daviey: yeah for us as much as him ;)

[08:45:41]

Daviey:

well my dog – if you bore him, he'll run off and amuse himself

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justinh:

seriously Daviey this is calling for remedial measures. tried calling him back for treats & all sorts. no dice not even for his cocaine (dried liver)

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CaptObviousman:

god damnit, what doesn't it like about my lame libs

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justinh:

if I let rory off I don't think he'd come back in a hurry. different dog outside altogether. sure it's a pack thing but he's great at home. weird

[08:47:35]

Daviey:

justinh: bah, tried ripping his balls off?

[08:47:46]

justinh:

Daviey: like that when we got him

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Daviey:

:(

[08:48:08]

justinh:

I suspect that's part of it meself. I mean I'd be pissed if you took my nuts away

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: it's used for transporting raw transport streams between equipment

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Daviey:

well, we'll have to try that

[08:48:58]

CaptObviousman:

it's probably something dumb, can someone take a look

[08:49:02]

CaptObviousman:

http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/348

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justinh:

Daviey: it's not a major thing & we've still not had him that long, plus we don't know his history. we're really lucky so far I think. mustn't grumble, etc :)

[08:49:32]

Daviey:

heh

[08:49:38]

Daviey:

I grumble about my dog!

[08:50:18]

justinh:

CCFL_Man2: not much experience building for 64-bit but I suspect it has something to do with that or the compiler itself

[08:51:33]

CaptObviousman:

was my guess also

[08:51:58]

CaptObviousman:

I should stick to 32-bit probably, but gotta get my toes wet sometime

[08:52:51]

justinh:

CaptObviousman: silly question but have you tried what the message suggests? means altering files though :(

[08:53:12]

CaptObviousman:

I already threw -fPIC into the extra cflags, with no results

[08:53:28]

CaptObviousman:

waaaait a sec, I just realized

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justinh:

symbol incompatability sounds compiler-ish though

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CaptObviousman:

it's saying recompile the lib with -fPIC, not myth

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** CaptObviousman facepalms **

[08:54:03]

justinh:

easy one to mess up

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justinh:

I've heard that there's not much gain to be had running 64bit myth over 32 bit, so it's not something I'll bother for a while. still seems a bit new & bloody IMHO

[08:55:16]

** Tanthrix agrees **

[08:55:25]

Dibblah:

64 bit works fine for me...

[08:55:25]

CaptObviousman:

yeah, that's true. I'm not doing it for benefit, I suppose difficulty factor

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Tanthrix:

I don't think I'll be touching 64 bit anything for years to come, even though all my CPUs support it

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justinh:

how long has 64-bit been around – and it's still a bit bleeding edge? blimmin ages

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justinh:

I don't know enough about it to be able to cite possible improvements over 32-bit, but I feel if it works ok as 32-bit with a bit o headroom it's ok :) I know it's a waste but ... til the whole act comes together I don't feel the need to concern myself with it

[08:58:53]

CaptObviousman:

so I'm discovering, there's not a whole lot to know

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Tanthrix:

Vista is 64 bit right?

[08:59:20]

CaptObviousman:

there's 32- and 64-bit versions of Vista

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CaptObviousman:

it must be a nightmare to manage all of those

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justinh:

Tanthrix: AFAIK there are 2 versions, and 64-bit still isn't what it's supposed to be. bugger all drivers & stupid stuff like that

[09:00:29]

Tanthrix:

justinh: As opposed to the regular 32 bit version which works so great? ;)

[09:00:52]

CaptObviousman:

hah, yeah that did it

[09:01:19]

CaptObviousman:

damn ohw long does this take to compile anyway

[09:01:32]

Tanthrix:

I'm really opening Vista becomes the next Windows Millenium. We've been doing our part at work to push everyone towards XP

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CaptObviousman:

There's a lot to not like

[09:02:21]

CaptObviousman:

I used it for a few weeks on my laptop, it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be

[09:02:30]

CaptObviousman:

though I immediately turned off all the fancy graphics and whatnot

[09:02:36]

justinh:

Tanthrix: aye well.. it's much much worse on Vista 64-bit

[09:02:48]

CaptObviousman:

I might has well been running ME

[09:03:26]

justinh:

I keep hearing things about it just sitting there 'idle' (user isn't doing anything) and CPU usage suddenly peaking n stuff.

[09:03:32]

Tanthrix:

CaptObviousman: I did the same when I switched from Win2k to XP, but then I reached the conclusion that I was essentially getting an identical OS that is slightly less efficient, so I switched back. (I later switched to XP, of course, for misc other reasons)

[09:03:48]

CaptObviousman:

it has a pretty aggressive caching and indexing setup going on in the background

[09:03:55]

Tanthrix:

CaptObviousman: The difference with Vista is that even when all that stuff is turned off, it's horrendously ineffiecient and buggy compared to XP.

[09:04:13]

justinh:

I held onto win2k for a very long time, until my apps demanded I move up

[09:04:16]

CaptObviousman:

I don't like having 2 GB ram and seeing only 200 MB free when I've got nothing open

[09:04:24]

CaptObviousman:

maybe that's just old school of me, but hell

[09:04:38]

CaptObviousman:

don't cache things I'm not running!

[09:04:46]

Tanthrix:

justinh: It's a shame MS never promoted it to the consumer market. People think of it on the same terms as WinME, but they don't get that it's only .1 versions different from XP

[09:05:15]

Tanthrix:

justinh: Really, the differences were extremely small. It was a great OS, though I think in the past few years XP has surpassed it stability wise.

[09:05:15]

CaptObviousman:

actually, I switched over to Linux rather than use XP

[09:05:20]

justinh:

the biggest thing I heard about & quite looked forward to seeing was their new filesystem which got canned

[09:05:21]

CaptObviousman:

then OS X for a few years

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CaptObviousman:

yeah, WinFS was going to be good if it ever actually gets released

[09:05:57]

justinh:

and frankly I don't give a monkey's chuff if I search for a file & it takes a minute to find it

[09:06:04]

CaptObviousman:

though, I understand it's essentially Reiser4 done in Microsoft style

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justinh:

that said I've not heard about Apple's amazing indexing slowing their desktop experience down

[09:06:45]

Tanthrix:

justinh: But that takes away from the fun experience of having your drive clicking away almost 24/7 for no apparent, visible reason!

[09:06:45]

CaptObviousman:

I have a feeling Microsoft does a lot of what they do because of people not like us

[09:07:06]

justinh:

CaptObviousman: marketing men & focus groups you mean

[09:07:41]

CaptObviousman:

I don't really know what I mean. Just that a lot of design desicions seem to be made to impress the "little guy"

[09:07:43]

justinh:

people who aren't aware where they put files. general office droids & people who buy computers at big outlets

[09:08:00]

CaptObviousman:

here, we'll take XP, throw some fancy graphics onto it, dock it with DRM, then release it as a brand new OS

[09:08:04]

CaptObviousman:

it'll sell like hotcakes!

[09:08:07]

justinh:

people, who really don't know how to use a computer properly

[09:08:13]

Tanthrix:

What it comes down to is this: they want to make money by getting people to upgrade. But they didn't want to release XP 2.0 for fear of people saying that there weren't enough changes to make it worthwhile.

[09:08:32]

justinh:

they can turn it on & surf da internets but ask them to put a file somewhere & they're lost

[09:08:33]

Tanthrix:

Instead, they released the hugely redsigned POS that is Vista, and shot themselves in the foot instead.

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CaptObviousman:

oh hey it's finish compiling

[09:09:00]

CaptObviousman:

so it's mostly in the libs then =P

[09:09:26]

justinh:

I've seen people saying that they're seeing Vista as some kind of 'interim' bloody expensive interim if you ask me

[09:09:50]

mchou:

lol

[09:10:16]

justinh:

at least now windows fanboy at work is a mac fanboy now. no more imploring me to try vista

[09:10:20]

mchou:

if you guys are complaining about vista you should see the disaster that's kde4.0

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mchou:

maybe kde4.0 cleaned up the code and libs underneath, but it's a real disappointment

[09:11:06]

justinh:

mchou: I once said, at a linux show when asked – that I had nothing against KDE. some time later I installed Kubuntu on a spare machine. ouch

[09:11:09]

CaptObviousman:

I've heard that too

[09:11:19]

CaptObviousman:

we joke about it in slackware channel

[09:11:42]

mchou:

anyway, all that eyecandy crap just gets in the way

[09:11:57]

CaptObviousman:

what on earth causes large projects like that to jump the shark

[09:12:03]

CaptObviousman:

seems like every single one does that eventually

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justinh:

it's way too configurable, all that jazzy crap

[09:12:14]

CaptObviousman:

configurable is good

[09:12:20]

justinh:

so configurable it's a bad thing

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mchou:

CaptObviousman: cause they dont like dealing with cruft

[09:12:28]

CaptObviousman:

perhaps the default configuration is just stupid

[09:12:45]

mchou:

and by cruft I mean code, not features

[09:12:49]

CaptObviousman:

people will come out with more tolerable configs, and those will become default

[09:12:49]

justinh:

CaptObviousman: yeah but – there are no different 'experience level' settings AFAIK

[09:13:01]

** CaptObviousman is thinking something like compiz-fusion **

[09:13:10]

CaptObviousman:

you can turn on and off various plugins

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justinh:

anyway time to head to work or I won't be home before 7.30pm

[09:13:24]

CaptObviousman:

ew

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mchou:

compiz fusion is a disaster too

[09:13:33]

CaptObviousman:

yeah it is

[09:13:42]

mchou:

just not as big as kde4.0 is all

[09:13:50]

CaptObviousman:

I keep hoping it'll mature eventually, but I haven't seen much movement in the past few months

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mchou:

anyway, I blame apple for starting this slide

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CaptObviousman:

why do you blame apple

[09:14:30]

mchou:

damn bozos

[09:14:53]

mchou:

cause they're the one that started with "windows" effects

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CaptObviousman:

I dunno, the desire for eye candy has always been around

[09:15:26]

mchou:

and everyone else like vista and compiz felt obliged to follow

[09:15:41]

CaptObviousman:

if compiz-fusion weren't so irritating I would use it in a heartbeat

[09:15:45]

CaptObviousman:

some of those things are really very useful

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mchou:

and look where it has gotten us instead

[09:16:03]

mchou:

haha, you gotta be kidding

[09:16:24]

CaptObviousman:

nope

[09:16:36]

CaptObviousman:

subtle visual feedback is very powerful

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mchou:

I dont want to sound like a Luddite, but everyone I know turned off those effects after 3 wks max

[09:17:12]

mchou:

cause they all just basically got in the way

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CaptObviousman:

I'm not saying use them all, far from it

[09:17:48]

CaptObviousman:

like the window wobbling when you move it around, I don't know why but that struck me as more natural

[09:17:54]

mchou:

lol

[09:18:00]

mchou:

wtf

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mchou:

whatever

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CaptObviousman:

haha, you probably think I'm some kind of moron now

[09:18:36]

mchou:

dude, I thought that b4 this :)

[09:18:43]

CaptObviousman:

hehe

[09:18:49]

CaptObviousman:

and you'd be right

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mchou:

this only serves to CONFIRM the original diagnosis

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Tanthrix:

justinh: I think that experience levels, ala xine, are a terrible idea, since you have no idea what features you want are going to be in what level, and the most advanced level shows you a ton of stuff you'd never care about. Better to just have simple and advanced, and to plan ahead so you don't get ass loads of useless config options.

[09:23:07]

Tanthrix:

justinh: (Not that you were necessarely suggesting that, just that I hear "experience levels" and cringe)

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CaptObviousman:

does the mysql db have to be local, or can it be elsewhere?

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rooaus:

CaptObviousman: It can be anywhere, but it is assumed to be in the same timezone, which most people don't find too limiting.

[10:11:02]

rooaus:

CaptObviousman: Re earlier 64 bit discussion, in my line of work 64bit has some *major* benefits. Single biggest is the maximum memory per process is effectively unlimited (> 1TB). Having said that I still use 64bit for myth :)

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mzb_d800:

rooaus: I find 64bit (in general) approx 20–25% faster than 32bit

[11:14:27]

minri:

Depends on the type of load.

[11:14:37]

rooaus:

mzb_d800: There is that, but the per process memory limits are a showstopper for full chip simulations and power simulations. Not a common usage though.

[11:15:23]

mzb_d800:

minri: absolutely, hence "in general" comment

[11:15:35]

minri:

For current databases ~2GB limit on 32bit is quite a showstopper

[11:15:50]

mzb_d800:

rooaus: too many big words for this time of night ;)

[11:16:15]

mzb_d800:

(just finished running around in a net chasing a ball ... pooped)

[11:17:17]

mzb_d800:

that being said, my xen server is all 32-bit although it's a 64bit processor (long story)

[11:18:11]

mzb_d800:

(there were problems with iptables in 64bit at the time, iirc ... and I can't be bothered changing it all ... despite the advantages)

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rooaus:

fair enough

[11:20:33]

mzb_d800:

I did run some tests on it with 64bit versions ... and boot-up alone was faster (even drives made more noise!) ... so I do find the idea attractive, but just not prepared to spend the time on it

[11:21:33]

mzb_d800:

the workstation however, is totally 64bit (except for 32bit chroot for things like skype) ... where the speed difference is noticeable in more than just disk usage

[11:22:06]

rooaus:

Listening to "The Mars Volta" atm, this track is 16:41 long. Longer than many of the secret/hidden songs at the end of albums.

[11:22:34]

mzb_d800:

either way ... and as I said previously ... 20–25% speed improvement is my best guess on my observations (of 2 machines)

[11:24:30]

rooaus:

Haven't benchmarked myself, but I haven't had any concerns/issues with 64bit builds, so no need for me to go back.

[11:31:32]

rooaus:

anykey_: Have you an old patch?

[11:32:30]

anykey_:

rooaus: I have, only for rev 14738

[11:32:55]

anykey_:

find it here: http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/patches/shoutcast-14738.patch

[11:33:14]

anykey_:

the one for rev 15072 is about 100kb smaller than the one above

[11:33:22]

anykey_:

and doesn't compile correctly with 15072

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rooaus:

You could try applying that to a r14738 tree then svn up'ing.

[11:34:33]

rooaus:

anykey_: He doesn't answer email quickly, last time I provided him with an updated patch he took a while to get back to me.

[11:34:40]

anykey_:

hm good idea...

[11:34:49]

anykey_:

rooaus: well, I've sent a mail about 3 weeks ago

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mojito_:

00:0a.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01) <-- does anyoine have this card?

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justinh:

mojito_: that doesn't tell anybody what card it is!

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justinh:

not even remotely

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mojito_:

ok?

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justinh:

what kind of tuner card is it? who makes it? is it analogue, dvb-t ? model number? que?

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mojito_:

how do i find that info

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mojito_:

its a pci

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justinh:

that's a bit like saying.. tuner card. anybody got one? I have one. will it work?

[12:31:57]

justinh:

er.. look at it. look for identifying marks & stuff. some initiative might be called for. I sense that is lacking

[12:32:51]

justinh:

starting to suspect it a 'no-brand ACME TV Tuner card' – in which case probably isn't worth spending time messing with. Go buy a Freeview (DVB-T) tuner card instead :)

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mojito_:

i have a usb dvb-t tuner bocx

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mojito_:

that should work too

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mojito_:

can we try that first?

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justinh:

we?

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mojito_:

ok nm

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** justinh wonders how people can end up with hardware they know FA about **

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mojito_:

when people get given it

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mojito_:

you arrogant fuck

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justinh:

nice. good luck getting it all working then

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mojito_:

i dont want your help now, i doubt you'd be able to provide any anyway.

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Daviey:

justinh: take this shitty ATI based mobo for example

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justinh:

no thanks.

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Daviey:

justinh: "arrogant fuck" – he got to know you fast :)

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justinh:

yeah I was impressed

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Daviey:

took the rest of us at least a year :)

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justinh:

such insight!

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justinh:

seriously though how can anybody expect help if they don't even have a clue who makes the card or its model number/name... idiots

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Daviey:

or what type it is!!!

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justinh:

or.. anything

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Daviey:

"i have a problem with my car, it won't start"

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Daviey:

'What type is it?'

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Daviey:

"a blue one"

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justinh:

what kind of car is it? I don't know. it has wheels & stuff

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justinh:

it's BLUE

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justinh:

maybe it was the fact I said I thought that initiative was lacking that did it. Oh well. no time for fools today, or anytime

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rooaus:

Daviey: It is probably just cold then, what colour is it normally? ;)

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justinh:

roflmao

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Daviey:

s/roflmao/roflmfao

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justinh:

Daviey: you shoulda put your ubuntu hat on & gave him a nice big hug to make him feel better. it's your fault

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Daviey:

justinh: oh how i wish this channel wasn't on freenode :)

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justinh:

why?

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justinh:

so you could get banned for saying what you really think & still get into channels you need for your community service?

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Daviey:

heh :)

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justinh:

hmm I like the community service analogy

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justinh:

it does feel like a sentence sometimes

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Daviey:

"How can i wipe my nose? please help"

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Daviey:

i cba to use google, please tell me how to do a simple task

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sebrock:

gf

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clever:

still getting odd problems in qt

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clever:

the qt widgets are killing keyboard input

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clever:

if i focus on the thing to addjust the theme cache the keyboard stops reponsind

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clever:

and if i click on cancle to get out of that menu

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clever:

keyboard is still dead in the menu so i pretty much fucked till i restart the fe

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justinh:

clever: your systems are effed

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clever:

ive noticed the problem on 2 so far

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clever:

both sharing the same root

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clever:

and now the problem is gone

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clever:

i try to -v to track it down and it fixes itself!

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clever:

i'll just threaten it with -v next time

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managementboy:

hi, I am getting a lot of errors when trying to compile mythplugins after compiling the latest SVN 15445. Did the huge change arround recording several recordings from one transport break something?

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justinh:

managementboy: make distclean on the plugins, configure again & make

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justinh:

prolly only make clean needed actually not distclean

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mzb:

justinh: I understand where you're coming from, but receiving that brand of sarcasm from a newbies point of view is bound to create enemies ... and not just for you ... for mythtv as well ... perhaps more tolerance is required on your part?

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mzb:

(re: mojito_)

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managementboy:

justinh: hi, thanks for the help yesterday. create my own RPMs for OpenSuse and the BUILD directory gets deleted every time. one error is metaiomp4.cpp: In function 'uint32_t md_truncate_callback(void*)':

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mzb:

(or a better brand of coffee|beer?;))

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justinh:

mzb: screw that. and I'm deadly serious

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mzb:

I guess you can't get real beer over there ;)

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justinh:

certainly can't drink it at work

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mzb:

;P

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mzb:

ah

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mzb:

well perhaps that's part of the problem?

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justinh:

that's not funny

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justinh:

anyway, nursemaids are for babies

[14:13:20]

mzb:

I don't mean drinking at work

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justinh:

"oh I'm sorry, let me help you learn to read"

[14:13:45]

mzb:

I mean that perhaps your "work hat" affects the way you treat ppl

[14:13:52]

justinh:

no it doesn't

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mzb:

interesting

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directhex|work:

justinh does not suffer fools gladly

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justinh:

nobody should

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mzb:

hmm

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mzb:

<mojito_> how do i find that info

[14:15:54]

mzb:

and you gave a rant instead of (your usual) good advice

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justinh:

and then I stated the obvious. so?

[14:16:40]

mzb:

so I point to what I said above ... I'm not going to push that barrow any further in case I get more of the same treatment ;P

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justinh:

also note how the question wasn't worded as a question. just strode in, pasted a line of lspci output and expected a solution

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mzb:

yeah, righto ... newbie

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mzb:

needs education

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directhex|work:

ignorance is curable. stupidity is terminal

[14:17:26]

mzb:

might not be a native English speaker ... etc, blah

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justinh:

mzb: in the UK? I'm not sympathetic to those either

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directhex|work:

right, off to bsp

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mzb:

just sounds like you've got something rammed where it shouldn't be ... I merely suggest you count to (at least) 3 before you whip your wit out and poke someone's eye out with it

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justinh:

noted, and filed in the usual place

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mzb:

I'm not having a go at you

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directhex|work:

my wit is big and hard!

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mzb:

I think you do a great job in this #

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mzb:

Dibblah: heh ;)

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justinh:

nobody mollycoddled me when I was a noob & I didn't expect anybody to

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mzb:

s/Dibblah/directhex|work/

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mzb:

you don't think ppl have been tolerant of you?

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justinh:

yesterday was another fine example of so many people who'd not have had any problems if they'd have bothered to read the docs

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mzb:

so your attitude is about yesterday?

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

it's about as zero tolerance as ever

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mzb:

that's not how I think of you most of the time

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mzb:

and the only time I try to talk to you about this sort of issue is when you start pulling the 0's out ;)

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mzb:

to the point where I'd suggest if you've got '0' then give them to someone (and somewhere) else

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mzb:

if you don't mind me saying so!

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justinh:

you can say so as much as you like, it won't change anything

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mzb:

np

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mzb:

enjoy your karma

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justinh:

complain to a freenode op if you have a real beef with it

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mzb:

not really

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mzb:

just thought you'd be generally nicer to talk to if you didn't have 0's rammed up your clacker ;)

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justinh:

I don't see why I should have to apologise for not being all frickin touchy-feely like all the happy smiley advocate types who blether on about how 'awesome' everything is all the time in the effing syndicated blogs

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mzb:

I didn't ask you to apologise

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justinh:

(who also never actually seem to do any real work btw)

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justinh:

mzb: engage me by making at least a crumb of effort on your part & I am all yours

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mzb:

heh

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justinh:

as evidenced so many times in here & all over the place

[14:25:55]

mzb:

throw you crumbs? You'd need a bit of fine tuning first.

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mzb:

I prefer to spend my effort on ppl who show their appreciation in many different ways, rather than pissing in my pocket and treating me like an idiot

[14:27:32]

justinh:

no, like give me some information to go on.. not just a blank metaquestion.

[14:27:48]

justinh:

engage your brain a little

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justinh:

show you've at least _tried_

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mzb:

ok

[14:28:22]

mzb:

eg: the patches that I'd have liked to have committed have mainly been deterred by the attitudes of ppl like you

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mzb:

good enough?

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justinh:

mzb: how? because I might've said I didn't personally see the point in something? that should never be taken as a reflection of what the 'project' thinks regardless of whether I have commit privs or not

[14:29:55]

mzb:

not at all

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mzb:

your opinion of value is regardless

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justinh:

and for my money you've been having & go, not just whining about how stuff sucks. taking positive action. I do nothing but applaud that

[14:30:28]

mzb:

(most of the time)

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mzb:

thanks

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mzb:

I've been playing with open source for a while

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mzb:

and I find ways other than just contributing source|patches to help out projects

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justinh:

I'm a big advocate of "oh I can't code but I'm gonna have a go". I can't code but guess what.. ?

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mzb:

you're missing the point

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mzb:

I *also* contribute code

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justinh:

right. by sitting on my hands and letting some asshat get away with being stupid ...

[14:32:35]

mzb:

but there are other ways of helping projects

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mzb:

admin-related for eg

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mzb:

moderation of mailing lists, chanop .... etc

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justinh:

this discussion has past its usefulness IMHO

[14:34:05]

mzb:

and my whole point (the one I started with) was that you can do so much more for this project by just biting your tounge and letting it go

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justinh:

I do when I can

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justinh:

not always possible I'm afraid

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mzb:

rather than ripping someone apart because they haven't asked a question in the way that you (and all of us!) prefer

[14:35:03]

justinh:

one day maybe I'll be perfect all the time like you, then I'll be found in a much of flesh somewhere having exploded

[14:35:33]

justinh:

don't you think I ducking TRY?

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mzb:

don't put me on a pedestal mate

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justinh:

I hold back so much you couldn't even imagine

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mzb:

this is not a self-help channel ;)

[14:36:33]

justinh:

well maybe not _that_ much but I do bite my tongue a lot

[14:37:04]

justinh:

how much do you think the 'this channel will not be moved to #mythtv-dev' helps next door btw?

[14:37:04]

mzb:

I wish I did more of it too :)

[14:37:37]

mzb:

next door?

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justinh:

#mythtv

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mzb:

I don't understand the question (I'm not in work hours;)

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justinh:

anyway look I know what you're saying but I can't be a saint. it's not in my nature. I do my bit & try to bite my lip as much as I can but it can only be kept up so long :)

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mzb:

fair enough ... thanks for acknowledging my point

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justinh:

mzb: every other person joining asks a question which really belongs here, they end up being pointed towards here, then generally moan about the channel names..

[14:39:37]

justinh:

both sides as immovable as each other

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mzb:

yeah, minor inconvenience

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justinh:

seriously I enjoy being mr nice guy. I like helping people. on my terms

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mzb:

heh

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justinh:

it's free after all

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mzb:

I can see you do

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mzb:

and it's enjoyable watching you do that

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mzb:

from a personal point of view, and also from the view of the project as a whole

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justinh:

don't you think I know how much of an asshole people can be & it makes me cringe to watch sometimes (even myself) ? but like I say it can't be helped sometimes

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justinh:

hahaha just found my old whoops.mpg file

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mzb:

I disagree ... but that's not a subject for this channel, nor something I care to discuss (normally)

[14:42:28]

mzb:

anyway

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mzb:

thanks for listening justinh

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Andycasss:

how to make mythweb data dir to be www-data (apache user)?

[14:43:05]

mzb:

have a good day|night

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mzb:

gnite all

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Andycasss:

chown doesnt seem to work, it doesnt change anything.

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justinh:

Andycasss: you know the INSTALL file in the mythweb dir? when you read it, it says to use the chgrp command too

[14:43:55]

Andycasss:

yes i used that

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Andycasss:

then i used chmod g+rw

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Andycasss:

and it still displays permissions error

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justinh:

missing sudo?

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Andycasss:

I also tried chmod a+rw like it suggested there, but it didnt

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Andycasss:

no, i used sudo

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mzb:

-R

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Andycasss:

no, the group is fine

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Andycasss:

i can see that it belongs to www-data group, but the owner is root

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mzb:

chmod -R a+rw ...

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mzb:

and|or

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Andycasss:

ah, ill try that

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mzb:

chown -R user:group ...

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Andycasss:

chown didnt have any effect, i dont know why

[14:46:34]

mzb:

or chown -R :group ...

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mzb:

(same as chgrp?)

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Andycasss:

i used that with -r argument

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justinh:

the only thing the INSTALL doc doesn't say is whether you need to be rooty to do stuff or not – but then if you're using trunk some assumptions have (reasonably) already been made

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mzb:

s/-r/-R/

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justinh:

www.mythtvthems.co.uk/images/whoops.mpg :D

[14:47:33]

mzb:

AndyCap: capitalise the -R (recursive)

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mzb:

s/*/http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/images/whoops.mpg ??

[14:48:41]

mzb:

(you lot are keeping me awake now;)

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justinh:

typo on me own url. I'm slipping

[14:49:17]

mzb:

heh

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mzb:

want to see an amazing video? (in my terms)

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justinh:

I'll download it later

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mzb_d800:

it's one of those ones that you need to watch all the way through

[14:50:43]

mzb_d800:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsmiIeAkE-o

[14:50:58]

mzb_d800:

10 mins?

[14:51:05]

mzb_d800:

"V8 Engine Block Machined From Solid"

[14:51:22]

mzb_d800:

(forget the subject ... it's the technology man!!!)

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** directhex|bsp hands mzb http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/5/ **

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mzb_d800:

directhex|bsp: I can see that is relevant, I doubt it's accuracy, and you too have missed the point.

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directhex|bsp:

the point being?

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mzb_d800:

the point being that derogatory conversation impacts poorly on a project, *AND* belittles a person for no reason (we hope and assume) other than their ignorance

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justinh:

the point is that if we kill all the rude illiterate people, the world will be a much better place ;)

[14:56:32]

mzb_d800:

neither should occur in an ideal world

[14:56:57]

mzb_d800:

justinh: I don't forking think so! ;)

[14:57:21]

mzb_d800:

Billy Connolly would be out of work for a start! ;)

[14:57:34]

justinh:

that would be a bad thing why?

[14:57:41]

mzb_d800:

:)

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Yahooadam:

justinh – whats up with that?

[14:58:01]

mzb_d800:

(no offence to those tight-@rsed northern-UK ppl;)

[14:58:22]

mzb_d800:

(being a descendant)

[14:58:58]

justinh:

Yahooadam: oooo aye. billy connolly, funny? haha

[14:59:15]

Yahooadam:

no i mean whoops.mpg

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justinh:

Yahooadam: ahh a screencap

[15:00:02]

justinh:

rather, an imaginary screencap I mocked up in a video editor

[15:00:06]

Yahooadam:

how did you manage to get the menu over the bideo :s

[15:00:25]

Yahooadam:

oh

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directhex|bsp:

mzb, work on tier 1 helpdesk for a few months, then revisit the question

[15:02:44]

mzb_d800:

I've done a lot of things, worked in a lot of places, and taken a LOT of abuse in ALL of those jobs. I can certainly improve with experience but I can't say that my attitude will change ... IN PARTICULAR for and open source project.

[15:03:54]

Yahooadam:

mzb_d800 – whats special about that video? it just seems like a very wasteful way of making an engine block :s

[15:04:03]

mzb_d800:

5d

[15:04:09]

mzb_d800:

weight

[15:04:10]

mzb_d800:

speed

[15:04:17]

mzb_d800:

accuracy

[15:05:23]

Kazan:

janneg: you there?

[15:05:54]

mzb_d800:

directhex|bsp: and I'm not talking about jobs all in the same field, I'm talking about door-to-door sales up to things like Assistant Marketing Manager for a national retailer, employing 50 ppl a year @ $30,000+ /week .... and so on. Too much water under the bridge ;)

[15:06:39]

directhex|bsp:

mzb_d800, patterns emerge. if you have to hand-hold a retard for an hour to get them to work out how an "on" button works, that's depressing. if you find another person comes with the same pattern of behaviour (and the same outcome), that's depressing. you identify patterns, and can very quickly determine whether someone is going to make you want to shoot something or not. when the twelvetieth person comes along and says "i have a

[15:06:39]

directhex|bsp:

car, it's blue, why doesn't it work :'(" that's not going to fill you with love and joy and the desire to help them, it's going to fill you with the desire to shoot them into the sun

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directhex|bsp:

the ignorant can be educated, the stupid cannot

[15:06:56]

mzb_d800:

(Marketing was separate to employing 50ppl ... btw: I was 19yo when I had 50 ppl on the books)

[15:07:13]

quicksilver:

directhex|bsp: I have a car. It's blue. Can I run myth on it?

[15:08:22]

mzb_d800:

directhex|bsp: this is about one guy who (I assume) though he was asking the right question, and about someone else who'd hit their 12-idiot-limit.

[15:09:11]

mzb_d800:

if it's that common ... then wake up to yourselves and either shutup, or point them to a (wiki?) page that tells them "How to ask questions"

[15:09:34]

directhex|bsp:

mzb_d800, the "smart questions" link has been around longer thani have, and it doesn't help

[15:09:44]

mzb_d800:

then write another one

[15:09:54]

mzb_d800:

(or a few)

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directhex|bsp:

mzb_d800, people don't read the wiki because when they discover something, rather than going on the wiki, they make an obscure blog post about it

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Kazan:

you know what i'm curious about in SG-1

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mzb_d800:

directhex|bsp: my point remains

[15:10:36]

Kazan:

why the heck the ascended ancients of the milky way do not cast the ori out

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directhex|bsp:

mzb_d800, your point is flawed and contains no solutions

[15:10:49]

Kazan:

because the ori are violating the highest law of the ascended

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directhex|bsp:

your fallacy is the assumption that there's no such thing as stupid people – only ignorant people

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mzb_d800:

rather than castrate someone in public (including ppl trying to suggest better ways of handling problems!) surely it would be better to spend some time writing a small page (regardless if it's a wiki) to educate the poor sods

[15:12:39]

directhex|bsp:

mzb_d800, and they'd say "too much writin, cnt u help me ;)"

[15:13:45]

mzb_d800:

you could quite easily have a "If you haven't read this whole page, or aren't capable of reading it, then *SORRY* but mythtv is not for you *YET* ... come back in 5 yrs when it's a "single-click-affair"

[15:14:04]

mzb_d800:

(clause on said page;)

[15:14:19]

justinh:

Q: will mythtv work on windows? A: I am not dead yet

[15:14:31]

directhex|bsp:

and you'd still be trying to cure stupidity with education, which cannot work

[15:14:43]

mzb_d800:

clause2: if you say you've read the page and then ask a stupid question in #, expect to have your nuts removed.

[15:14:59]

justinh:

christ. this is all my fault too. I truly must be the spawn of the devil

[15:15:32]

directhex|bsp:

and you'd still be trying to cure stupidity with education, which cannot work

[15:15:54]

mzb_d800:

directhex|bsp: the fact that they are in # means they know how to push a power button ... how about you raise your expectations of ppl's ability rather than judge them by your own experience?

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directhex|bsp:

how unscientific

[15:17:09]

mzb_d800:

(note I did not say "ability" or "intelligence")

[15:17:27]

justinh:

either way mojito is having the last laugh now. lucky bugger

[15:17:27]

mzb_d800:

you can't have a formula for everything

[15:17:42]

mzb_d800:

only if he's in logland ;)

[15:18:12]

directhex|bsp:

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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directhex|bsp:

Albert Einstein

[15:18:32]

mzb_d800:

SO WRITE A BLOODY WIKI PAGE!!!!

[15:18:40]

mzb_d800:

(oops that's 3 times!)

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maki_d_:

hi

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mzb_d800:

rather than using your (plural) intolerance as an excuse to abuse ppl

[15:19:33]

maki_d_:

how mythtv works with cheap software compression tv tuners?

[15:19:46]

justinh:

hello and welcome to the overly nice mythtv user support channel. how may we funnel your pleas to /dev/null today?

[15:19:58]

mzb_d800:

iow: grow up, and use your intelligence to do better !

[15:20:05]

maki_d_:

i see that they are hard to set up

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directhex|bsp:

maki_d_, poorly

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Dibblah:

maki_d_: Usually, well enough. But you'll probably have a better experience with a hardware card.

[15:20:15]

justinh:

maki_d_: in an ideal world, you would avoid using software encoding type tuners :)

[15:20:17]

mzb_d800:

justinh: wow ... you'd better link that to a Fn key ;)

[15:20:36]

maki_d_:

yes, but hardware tuner are expencive :)

[15:20:47]

justinh:

yes, but software encoding is crappy :)

[15:20:55]

maki_d_:

i know

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directhex|bsp:

maki_d_, they work, with the following provisos: 1) image quality is poor 2) cpu consumption is high 3) interoperability with non-myth apps (e.g. streaming over a network) is pretty much non-existent

[15:20:57]

Dibblah:

What's with all the vitreol in here? Drop it, it's not Myth related. ;)

[15:21:38]

maki_d_:

directhex|bsp: image quality is poor only in mythtv?

[15:21:52]

justinh:

maki_d_: image quality is poor full stop

[15:22:11]

Dibblah:

Again, that depends on the card / settings / ...

[15:22:31]

justinh:

but again, it's complete chance whether or not you luck out & hit a good model

[15:22:49]

directhex|bsp:

it depends on the card, true, but most software cards have a very low internal res limit regardless of your settings

[15:22:57]

Dibblah:

The easiest way to find out is to try it and see.

[15:23:02]

Dibblah:

directhex|bsp: Eh?

[15:23:30]

Dibblah:

Everything from the 848 upwards can capture full-frame PAL...

[15:23:53]

Dibblah:

Admittedly, you need a beefy processor to encode it, but...

[15:24:40]

justinh:

maki_d_: you won't really get anybody from here who is going to recommend you buy a framegrabber. seriously

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directhex|bsp:

oh, and messing around with the audio is a pain

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justinh:

willcooke: did you see that rory vid btw?

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directhex|bsp:

since most of these things either require looping back to line-in (which always breaks in subtle ways for different people) or capturing directly from the card which can be HORRIBLY broken on some cards

[15:26:17]

Dibblah:

But if you already have a framegrabber and want to see if Myth is "acceptable" it should work. You will get better capture performance with a PVRx50 or anything else, really.

[15:26:19]

willcooke:

justinh, it's on here (windows machine) and it won't play, and I cant be arsed to download codecs. I need to copy it my home machine....

[15:26:27]

maki_d_:

yeah, one friend has a cheap tv-card running on windows, and he more than 1 channel at once

[15:26:29]

justinh:

codecs? VLC!

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directhex|bsp:

maki_d_, erm, i'm not sure how you can do that with a framegrabber

[15:27:08]

justinh:

I thought "nah, won't make it wmv cos everybody'd whine.. & mock me"... :P

[15:27:24]

willcooke:

justinh, :)

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, mpeg1 is included with xp!

[15:27:36]

justinh:

directhex|bsp: you can but not in real time. sucks

[15:27:42]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, oh, and indeo. encode files usnig indeo!

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maki_d_:

Video Decoder Philips SAA 7131 is an frame grabber?

[15:27:51]

justinh:

yay for indeo

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justinh:

maki_d_: yeah

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willcooke:

videolan.org down|?

[15:29:04]

justinh:

framegrabber == tv capture card which is not blessed with hardware encody :)

[15:29:18]

mzb_d800:

directhex|bsp: "multiple channel" has been a selling point since the 848 ... but usually it just means grabbed screenshots from each channel displayed in "thumbnail gallery view" ... not simultaneous PIP mode

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justinh:

willcooke: seemingly so

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willcooke:

:(

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mzb_d800:

(iirc)

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directhex|bsp:

mzb_d800, i remember that feature in wintv2000. what a heap of shit ^_^

[15:29:59]

mzb_d800:

(ie: one of those silly marketing terms)

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clever:

ive got an 848 card here!

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mzb_d800:

me2

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mzb_d800:

totally redundant

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clever:

i tried putting it back to dual record

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justinh:

Free! TV Wall Of Death (tm) which captures a load of stills from Tv channels & spends all night building a matrix of shots & renders it onto a curved surface while you sleep!

[15:30:48]

clever:

but the ivtv drivers broke the 848 card

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directhex|bsp:

the wife's old, decommissioned pc has one

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mzb_d800:

I have a use for it ... but it's just not worth the effort

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willcooke:

justinh, heheh! Destory the plastic tub

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directhex|bsp:

her new pc is far too cute to dirty with old shite like framegrabbers

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mzb_d800:

if I could (easily and reliably) make it so that the framegrabber was used *only* for LiveTV, *only* as a last resort (not at all for recording) and only under certain conditions (eg. time of day) then the 878(?) might be of more use to me

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justinh:

wished I'd left the audio on the video now, except you could hear Eastenders in the background

[15:33:15]

maki_d_:

ASUS ACORP PINNAKLE COMPRO PHILIPS

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justinh:

maki_d_: Hauppauge PVR-150 or bust

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justinh:

they don't even cost twice as much as a good framegrabber. wait a bit longer, save a bit more..

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clever:

mzb_d800: the 848 was better for recording then livetv on my end

[15:34:25]

clever:

mzb_d800: with the frame grabber recording there wasnt enough cpu power left to decode so livetv was out

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maki_d_:

justinh: Hauppauge PVR-150 is only the chipset?

[15:34:52]

mzb_d800:

clever: try comparing DVB-T mpeg2 vs framgrabbed view of the same thing from a DVB-T tuner .... no competition

[15:34:54]

justinh:

clever: I think he means launch tvtime & forget about adding the framegrabber to mythtv :P

[15:35:03]

clever:

ahh

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CNU:

i have gentoo and was wondering if i need to pull in all those X packages to run the backend on my server?

[15:35:21]

justinh:

maki_d_: pvr150 & pvr500 from Hauppauge. best cards for analogue tv capture bar none

[15:35:22]

clever:

yeah using the framegrabber for what it was meant for and overlaying right into video ram would need no cpu

[15:35:28]

mzb_d800:

s/DVB-T tuner/DVB-T STB/

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clever:

mzb_d800: yeah the pvr150 is amazingly easy on the cpu to record

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mzb_d800:

iow: anything that spits out mpeg2 is a good thing ;)

[15:36:01]

justinh:

CNU: you at least need an X client on the backend

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maki_d_:

PVR-150 is around 100 $?

[15:36:13]

CNU:

justinh: okay :(

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clever:

maki_d_: ive seen some on ebay for 9$ but they dont stay there long most of the time

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justinh:

CNU: I'm sorry, so you re-write mythtv-setup not to need X then ;)

[15:37:16]

mzb_d800:

CNU: doesn't mean you actually need a screen connected, though ;) (ssh -X comes in handy)

[15:37:39]

clever:

mzb_d800: ssh -X is horidly slow compared to DISPLAY=realserver:0

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CNU:

okay, just feels a bit weird emerging stuff like opengl on a box without a graphics card :p

[15:37:59]

clever:

mzb_d800: but using x11 right over plain tcp is a bit less secure if you have untrustable things on your lan

[15:38:09]

maki_d_:

clever: i searched with local shops and they dont have Hauppauge, also i can't buy from ebay from my country

[15:38:16]

clever:

:(

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directhex|bsp:

CNU, if you ran a binary distro, you'd be finished by now

[15:38:29]

** maki_d_ is using mythtv for NES games :) **

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directhex|bsp:

CNU, if you REALLY want to be clever, install embedded framebuffer qt

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clever:

ive heard of that

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CNU:

oh cool, i'll try :>

[15:40:15]

directhex|bsp:

CNU, no promises. i don't think anyone's tested for regressions when using non-X qt with myth for years

[15:41:22]

mzb_d800:

CNU: seriously, ssh -X is simple and easy ... you don't need opengl iirc

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clever:

mzb_d800: have you used X over plain tcp before?

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mzb_d800:

yes

[15:43:13]

clever:

i find its much faster

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clever:

i can allmost run mplayer thru it without xv

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maki_d_:

Watch TV on your PC screen using a 125 channel cable ready TV tuner? it has only 125 channels ?

[15:43:39]

mzb_d800:

it's much easier (if not slower) to use ssh ... simply for distro-difference reasons

[15:44:10]

mzb_d800:

I can't see speed being a real problem with mythtv-setup over ssh

[15:45:00]

clever:

yeah but its sometimes painfull to hit an arrow and wait 5mins

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mzb_d800:

(I use ssh -X over openvpn encrypted wifi ... which is dog-slow .. but so much easier to setup)

[15:45:16]

clever:

xhost +end1

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clever:

ssh end1

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clever:

DISPLAY=end2:0 mythtv-setup

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mzb_d800:

yeah ... very distro specific

[15:45:38]

justinh:

maki_d_: can't think of any analogue PC TV tuner with more than that

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clever:

thats worked on every distro i have so far

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clever:

mzb_d800: which ones might the above break in?

[15:45:58]

mzb_d800:

(some don't have that enabled, or easy to enable, by default)

[15:46:03]

clever:

ahh yeah i forgot

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clever:

tcp listening is disabled by default

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clever:

ive edited the script starting X on all my systems to 'fix' that

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mzb_d800:

like anything Debian-like

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clever:

ssh -X would be easyer for those not wanting to edit the x startup

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directhex|bsp:

no security! back, back, vile security!

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mzb_d800:

(and keep having to maintain it)

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clever:

my lan is well protected:P

[15:48:23]

justinh:

my router is liek a shield of steel!

[15:49:21]

justinh:

so do we all get to dress up & play at being superheroes again later?

[15:49:23]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, how come batfink's feet never got damaged by the bullets though?

[15:49:45]

justinh:

directhex|bsp: I have no idea. somebody ought to write in about that

[15:50:47]

directhex|bsp:

and steel's not great as a shield. one shot with a DU slug, and he's screwed!

[15:51:59]

justinh:

actually this is making me think that some pay tv IS worth having. cartoons!

[15:52:13]

moodboom:

can anyone tell me how to configure a mythtv build from source so it has mpeg support? I get mythbackend "compiled without MPEG support" errors

[15:52:36]

justinh:

missing dependency(ies) more than likely

[15:52:40]

directhex|bsp:

moodboom, is there an overwhelming reason not to use your distribution's packages?

[15:53:24]

moodboom:

directhex yeah, the hope is to contribute some development

[15:53:35]

directhex|bsp:

moodboom, what is your distribution?

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moodboom:

directhex gentoo – had mythtv running fine on it, now moving to svn

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directhex|bsp:

no idea then, i can't support gentoo

[15:54:31]

justinh:

building from source on a build from source or else distro. I considered it once

[15:54:43]

moodboom:

directhex k, thanks

[15:55:01]

justinh:

I wouldn't wanna try doing myth from source on gentoo

[15:55:09]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, i considered gentoo once, got 4 steps into the guide and thought "i'm too old for this shit"

[15:55:18]

justinh:

I mean from source source source, not just 'source'

[15:55:20]

mzb_d800:

moodboom: you can usually tell what you're missing in the last few (30?) lines after ./configure

[15:56:03]

moodboom:

directhex try a stage 3 install, not so bad

[15:56:07]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, in the words of epic games' tim sweeney, i'm happy to sacrifice performance for productivity

[15:56:27]

directhex|bsp:

moodboom, and why bother at that point? you've just got badly managed binaries

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moodboom:

mzb-d800 ok thanks i'll go back through configure, i'm sure it's there somewhere...

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mzb_d800:

it'll say YES | NO for something you don't have dev libs for

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moodboom:

directhex from there do an update – hasn't been badly managed for me, but i don't update every day like some :>

[15:58:04]

directhex|bsp:

moodboom, i just don't see the point, that's all

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justinh:

but but! you'll miss all the silly config file syntax changes they like to foist on you without warning

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moodboom:

directhex ok good enough :>

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justinh:

to each their own :)

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moodboom:

amen :>

[15:59:38]

** justinh wonders what the world would be like if there were only 3 linux distros **

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, but... but... but... no beernix? :o no kanotix? :o

[16:00:06]

directhex|bsp:

no overclockix?

[16:00:16]

justinh:

no endsinix ?

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mzb_d800:

:)

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justinh:

ubuno ubuderivativuntus ubanymore-tu ?

[16:01:08]

mzb_d800:

a *nix-free world? ... urgh!

[16:01:37]

justinh:

nah. 3 distros is enough. one for lay users. one for normal people & one for utter complete control freaks

[16:02:20]

mzb_d800:

heh ... obviously not enough variation ;)

[16:02:51]

mzb_d800:

(or money;)

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justinh:

ah yes. I forgot about the totally pointless desktop variants which all basically do the same thing but result in holy flame wars

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justinh:

I think it'd be interesting to see how much further linux could go if there were fewer egos battling it out over there

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br14:

linux whould be no fun w/o total control

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janneg:

justinh: that's a fallacy. diversity creates innovation

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justinh:

I can't see that myself. look at all the samey media players there are now.

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justinh:

only thing I can see from my point of view is loads of people working on similar things – where if people were to collaborate more on less things... I dunno. guess we'll never get to find out

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janneg:

you just can't add people and assume that they will be as productive as before

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janneg:

besides there is cooperation between the media players. they all use libav*

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justinh:

I suppose there's a point where you reach critical mass in the number of devs too

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justinh:

anyway I think I'm too new to development to have a feel for how it all works

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janneg:

justinh: that even doesn't work with paid developers. see how late vista was and compare the announced features with the released product

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mkrufky:

vista service pack 1 is bascially a downgrade back to XP

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mkrufky:

more or less

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directhex|bsp:

mkrufky, got anything related to reality you want to share, or is that it

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mkrufky:

?

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directhex|bsp:

<mkrufky> vista service pack 1 is bascially a downgrade back to XP

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** mkrufky knows what he said **

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directhex|bsp:

and i know what i said. your statement has no connection with reality

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mkrufky:

feel free to ignore my statement, then

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directhex|bsp:

if i ignore it, others may believe it

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justinh:

somebody mentioned the V word at work today. brought windows fanboy (tm) back out

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justinh:

he forgot he's now a paid-up mac fanboy

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mkrufky:

i guess you just havent seen service pack 1

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mkrufky:

its not out yet, so no matter

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mkrufky:

it fixes many vista issues, thats what counts

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janneg:

I doubt that MS would revert Aero and that's the biggest visual difference between vista and xp

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mkrufky:

nah

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mkrufky:

ok, so then i take back my statement

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mkrufky:

not worth the explanation

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directhex|bsp:

janneg, and the replacement tcp stack, replacement driver model, etc

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janneg:

I couldn't care less especially when I get the refund for the vista I got with my new notebook

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janneg:

directhex|bsp: I can't see a tcp/ip stack nor the driver model

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directhex|bsp:

janneg, get a magnifying glass!

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janneg:

let's us just drop the topic

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willcooke:

hmm – what do you do when you forget your password on freenode?

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justinh:

/msg nickserv help !

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Dibblah:

/msg justinh help

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Dibblah:

Is better.

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Dibblah:

And more popular ;)

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justinh:

/script on <msg> <autoignore> $nick

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iamlindoro__:

Mmmm, the internet is fixin' to go ape-shit over <appleproducthere>

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** CaptObviousman is already on macrumorslive waiting **

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** justinh imagines hundreds of journos pasting in "Jobs, wearing his trademark turtleneck sweater..." **

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iamlindoro__:

mock-turtleneck ;)

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iamlindoro__:

and I mean, who the eff knows what that is?

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CaptObviousman:

I bet Jobs does

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iamlindoro__:

It always just looks like a black long sleeved shirt to me

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directhex|bsp:

it's whatever jobs wants it to be. that's why it's called a reality distortion field

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justinh:

hmm I think I've finally found a remote not made by logitech which has enough buttons & is wife friendly

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mindframe-:

my girl has no problems with the streamzap

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mindframe-:

seems to have ample buttons

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justinh:

ah but can the streamzap control other devices?

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mindframe-:

i was just about to ask you that haha

[17:10:51]

mindframe-:

i have a broken remote and im wondering if that usb ir receiver can "catch" other codes

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justinh:

ah bum. urc-9040 relies on an RF thing for the 'PC' side of the remote

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mindframe-:

stupid logitech sold me speakers with a broken remote

[17:11:31]

mindframe-:

and they want me to rma the whole 55lb package

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mindframe-:

no way.

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justinh:

say yay if you'll pay (to them)

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justinh:

their problem!

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Kazan:

so

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Kazan:

the rumormill has it that the HD-DVD vs Blu-ray fight is over, blu-ray wins

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Kazan:

opinions?

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** willcooke is registered again. huzzah **

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mindframe-:

im just totally against shipping 55lbs two ways for a broken 6oz item

[17:12:34]

justinh:

who cared, Kazan ? both are evil

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mindframe-:

Kazan, basically it's the beginning of the end

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Kazan:

so is dvd justinh

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mindframe-:

bluray > hddvd

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Kazan:

but we unfortunately have little choice but work with the formats available

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justinh:

Kazan: yes we do. opt out

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directhex|bsp:

blu-ray offers 33% more storage, 100% more region coding, and 300% more drm options!

[17:13:38]

justinh:

Kazan: if more people did likewise we wouldn't be in this mess

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mindframe-:

also it has scratch resistant coating

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Kazan:

DRM is crypto, and crypto is an arms race that the person keeping the secret is permnanatly at a disadvantage

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mindframe-:

3M coating

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mindframe-:

it's so cool

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Kazan:

justinh: it's futile and pointless to bother

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** CaptObviousman hasn't heard about this coating **

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justinh:

Kazan: says you and everybody else who just bends over :)

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Kazan:

CaptObviousman: i have

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Kazan:

justinh: i hardly just "Bend over"

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Kazan:

i don't own a hd-dvd or blu-ray player

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justinh:

buy this or don't get a HD disc format. hmmm

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Kazan:

i don't own a DVD reader beyond one that goes into a computer

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directhex|bsp:

i own a ps3, which can play blu-ray

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** CaptObviousman doesn't own either HD format **

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CaptObviousman:

I hav eto buy some other things first, namely a 1080p TV

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CaptObviousman:

and a receiver that'll pass it

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Kazan:

and the entire "you people are just bending over thing" is an immature and ultimately counterproductive method of describing people who don't subscribe to pointless boycotting

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directhex|bsp:

1080p is on my to-buy list

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** CaptObviousman is going back to school, which means no 1080p for a long while **

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Kazan:

i know DRM is crap and bollocks – i also know it's completely and totally ineffective

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directhex|bsp:

receiver i've got covered

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justinh:

Kazan: hardly immature. if customers didn't just put up with all the rubbish they get fed, maybe (just maybe) companies wouldn't take the piss so much

[17:16:44]

Kazan:

justinh: extremely immature, you're using a phrase that implies the other person is on the receiving end of anal intercourse as if that was a bad thing

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directhex|bsp:

bored of unpaid overtime now

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justinh:

but then maybe you're right. maybe they'd just start assuming that maybe people aren't buying into it because they're using pirated versions

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Kazan:

justinh: furthermore there are much more productive ways to discussing the evils of DRM

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, they assumed that with music

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CaptObviousman:

let them assume what they wish

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Kazan:

that's exactly what they would do justinh

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Kazan:

but that isn't why i'm saying it's futile either

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justinh:

fwiw I couldn't give a damn about HD to tell the truth

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Kazan:

it's futile because boycotting the existing formats isn't going to get us another format

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justinh:

esp. not a disc format

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** CaptObviousman has seen some movies in HD on a friend's TV. They're pretty **

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Kazan:

that's special, but not all of us are curmudgeons :P

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CaptObviousman:

he bought one of the HD-DVD boxes that plugs into his 360

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** justinh has seen HDTV demos which were impressive. sadly, what they broadcast doesn't match up **

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Kazan:

many broadcasts are 720p

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Kazan:

but that's still A LOT better than 480i

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justinh:

not in terms of resolution. blocking, artifacts etc

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Kazan:

yes in terms of resolution, etc

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justinh:

bitrate

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Kazan:

haha

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Kazan:

my mythbox would care to disagree with you

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justinh:

Kazan: yeh but in the UK we've had DVD quality broadcast TV for a long time so the difference is less obvious

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justinh:

Kazan: believe me, uk sdtv is higher Q than USA HDTV, pixel for pixel bitrate

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justinh:

bitrate matters a lot

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Kazan:

that's bull

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CaptObviousman:

jesus christ, #mwsf is a mess

[17:20:37]

Kazan:

the best bitrate DVD cannot match 720p quality

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Kazan:

i would know

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Kazan:

from expirience

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Kazan:

experience*

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justinh:

Kazan: ok then. your 1080i HD is what like 8GB per hour? our 576i is like 2.5GB per hour.

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CaptObviousman:

boy, you certainly seem very knowledgeable

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CaptObviousman:

also a real pain in the ass

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b6i6o6:

hello, can someone help me? I don't have MythTV, i'm actually wondering if I could do this installation at home: http://images3.hiboox.com/images/0308/rniiibwf.png The black is what is up now, the grey is what I would like to add, can u tell me if it's possible? (Sorry for my english...)

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Kazan:

justinh: 1080i HD is 9GB/h, 720p is about 6GB/h, 480i from the MPEG2 encoders on my hauppauge cards are 2GB/hour

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justinh:

four times the picture size but not four times the bitrate, and I wouldn't say ours looks as good as analogue TV did

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Kazan:

*facepalm*

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CaptObviousman:

encoding isn't linear like that

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Kazan:

because you know... everything grows linearily

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justinh:

NOW you talk about maturity

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justinh:

lol

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** Kazan sends justinh back to remedial math **

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justinh:

it's maths. with an S

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Kazan:

not here

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Kazan:

you say "maths" here and you sound like an idiot on this side of the ocean

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CaptObviousman:

Kazan: maybe you could be a little less agressive?

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CaptObviousman:

you're not being very endearing right now

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Kazan:

i never am

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justinh:

never is, but then nor am I

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b6i6o6:

no one can help me?

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** justinh hopes the png isn't goatse **

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b6i6o6:

Oh, yeah, made it in french...

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justinh:

ugh why bring a VCR into the equation?

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b6i6o6:

wait a minute :)

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b6i6o6:

because it's how it is made for now

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justinh:

it isn't worth the effort if you put it onto tape first

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justinh:

if you want to use mythtv with a cable or satellite receiver, you need to be able to control the receiver with a computer somehow, usually an IR blaster which works like a remote control. and you cannot normally just loop video signals together, say from a cable/sat box to a VCR AND PC TV Tuner card at the same time (not even with a Y adapter)

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KiSak:

hi folks, any mythtv gentoo ebuild maintainers in earshot?

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justinh:

b6i6o6: anyway, wouldn't your 'decodeur' be placed _before_ the magnetoscope (VCR) ?

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Dav1:

Sorry, got a problem. Ok, i just want to divide the TV cable to get TV on... the TV and the computer. I don't know how to do it nor it is possible.

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justinh:

you need a thing called a splitter

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justinh:

a splitter – ummm – splits a cable feed two or more ways :)

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Dav1:

Hum, ok, i'm writing it down. Will I be able to look at different channels simultaneous on TV and PC even if we are finaly connected to the same cable?

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justinh:

there are 2 types of splitter – and which you will need depends on your setup. 1. passive splitters which do not require power or any setup – and 2. active splitters which amplify the signal & feed it to different outputs simultaneously

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justinh:

Dav1: of course :)

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Dav1:

active are better, aren't they?

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justinh:

Dav1: depends on your situation and the strength of the cable signal. usually using a 2-way passive splitter is ok

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clever:

im getting away with passive spliters all over my house

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Dav1:

so it's good enough, ok, i'm writing this down too :)

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Dav1:

do I need special materials for my computer? of course you'll answer, but what material?

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justinh:

Dav1: er ?????

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justinh:

Dav1: use good quality cable to hook up all the connections to the cable outlets

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Dav1:

sorry for my english... mmmh... Do I need special things in my computer like to add a pci card to be able to connect the tv cable

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clever:

dont realy have cable 'outlets' here

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justinh:

Dav1: that depends on your cable provider and the kind of signal they use

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Dav1:

argh...

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Dav1:

in fact, the best way would be to go to my provider's and ask him how to do it ...

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justinh:

Dav1: if it's digital cable you will need a DVB-C card. if it's encrypted (pay-tv) you will need a DVB-C card, a CI module and a CAM – as well as a valid subscription card :)

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Dav1:

it's not encrypted

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Dav1:

and it's analogic

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KiSak:

active splitters are really only needed to extend range over ... what was it ... 100 meters or splitting the signal enough times that the voltage drops below the threshhold ... say you're spliting the signal 20 times, you'd want that to be an active splitter

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Dav1:

but as far as i know, I have nothing to plug the tv cable in my pc..

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justinh:

ah so you should be fine with a Hauppauge PVR150 or PVR500 card then :)

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justinh:

KiSak: passive splitters generally halve a signal. you can't split say an aerial feed more than once that way without amplifying it

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justinh:

a passive two way splitter would generally halve a signal – if you're lucky

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KiSak:

this is true

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clever:

justinh: if i where to feed a single 2way spliter into a 2nd would one get 50% and the other have a pair of 25% signal levels?

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justinh:

what you actually need just depends on the situation you have

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justinh:

clever: basically, assuming best case

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clever:

ah

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justinh:

you can get away with it if what comes in is strong enough

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clever:

so spliting everything at one point would be better

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justinh:

where possible yes

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justinh:

active splitters don't even have to provide amplification per se – just provide bufferred outputs

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clever:

which is probly why the cable guy ran a few more lines when he was fixing some stuff up

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Dav1:

ok, thank you very much for your help guys, bye! ;-)

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justinh:

np

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Kazan:

is "Gnothi Seauton" french?

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Kazan:

ah.. it's from latin actually :P

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justinh:

rofl. lirc has a config file for furby!

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i3ooi3oo:

kazan from "the temple of apollo"

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Andycasss:

hm, how to disable authentication from mythweb's stream.php?

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Andycasss:

There is an example but it doesnt seem to work (<LocationMatch .*/pl/stream/[0–9]+/[0–9]+> Allow from all</LocationMatch>)

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Kazan:

haha

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iamlindoro__:

It's greek, not latin

[17:57:21]

Kazan:

it's bratac from SG-1 :D

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** Kazan is watching the second episode of terminator **

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: anybody can misquote wikipedia man

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Kazan:

i googled

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iamlindoro__:

haha

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Kazan:

didn't go to wiki

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Kazan:

first link said it was latin..

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iamlindoro__:

Google can be wrong too

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Kazan:

doesn't really matter

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Kazan:

i was more interested in the translation than in what language it is actually from

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iamlindoro__:

latin would be something like conoscete

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Kazan:

as long as the translation is correct

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** justinh knows no latin **

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justinh:

only the real swots at school were taught it, and even they weren't particularly interested

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justinh:

left with the impression that only people who enjoy looking down on others still use Latin. hey maybe I should learn it

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iamlindoro__:

Went to Catholic all boys school :)

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justinh:

ahh latiin & buggery. nice

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iamlindoro__:

haha

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justinh:

grrr I hate autocad sometimes

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Kazan:

this is starting to get annoying

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Kazan:

4 minute comercial breaks

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Kazan:

iamlindoro__: they try to brainwash you like many in the states do

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iamlindoro__:

Nope

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justinh:

4 minutes per break sounds about right. 'one hour long' shows end up at 43 minutes or so... ;)

[18:10:19]

justinh:

that's why I'm after a remote with more buttons – so I can program it to have skip functions

[18:10:42]

justinh:

but maybe I can just redo my remote – I seem to have a lot of duplicated functions

[18:11:47]

justinh:

hmmm since letf & right arrow are already rew & ffw respectively, maybe just make ffw & rew buttons skip+ & skip- – or vice-versa

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justinh:

all this time I've never actually sat down & sorted out the remote to its conclusion

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justinh:

whoah THG are group testing MCE IR receivers & some are reckoned to be worky in de linux

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Daviey:

justinh: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/129977

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Daviey:

^ might buy that next time i place an order

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justinh:

need one remote for everyfink

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justinh:

eek need to go home!

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Daviey:

justinh: you need a Logitech Harmony

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directhex:

apple admits appletv was wank, showcases hd-capable model

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iamlindoro__:

I'm a huge apple lover... but I'll still never buy that POS

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clever:

im trying to avoid more windows installs

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clever:

ive used a mac before but it took me an hour and a manual to find the damn terminal

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clever:

once i found it though it was trivial to ssh home and access my main systems

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robbins61:

iamlindoro, which POS?

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clever:

weee

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clever:

more capital1 calls

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iamlindoro__:

Apple TV

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iamlindoro__:

Macbook Air, though... Mmmm, that is some sexy

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clever:

wee

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cal_:

how much memory would ya'll recommend for a core 2 duo 1.8ghz mythtv box with a pvr-500 and a hdtv5500

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clever:

segfault while debuging

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iamlindoro__:

1 GB +

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iamlindoro__:

RAM's cheap

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cal_:

iam: i think i need to double it, cause once in awhile it pauses and skipps a couple frames.

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iamlindoro__:

It's unlikely the RAM that's causing that

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cal_:

oh really?

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iamlindoro__:

Not if you have at least a Gig

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cal_:

yeah i have a gig

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cal_:

of ddr2

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clever:

and i forgot to set the core size

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cal_:

running dual

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iamlindoro__:

cal_, Running what format and resolution of video?

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cal_:

its happened both when watching livetv, or a recording, on either the hd card or the pvr-500

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cal_:

doesnt really matter.

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cal_:

and its not all that often. just once in awhile.

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iamlindoro__:

Then it's not RAM... if that machine is skipping on SD, then you have other issues

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cal_:

it may happen twice during an hour show.. or maybe not at all.. just depends.

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iamlindoro__:

I'd watch your front and backend logs for the exact moment it happens, that's bound to be more enlightening

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iamlindoro__:

What GPU and which drivers?

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cal_:

how do i check GPU? couldnt find it in /proc

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iamlindoro__:

You don't know what graphics card you have?

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praet:

lsmod

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iamlindoro__:

cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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clever:

lspci

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iamlindoro__:

any/all of the above :)

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cal_:

its a gigabyte geforce something or other

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cal_:

but i wanted the exact model

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iamlindoro__:

ok, and are you running the nvidia proprietary drivers?

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praet:

lspci |grep VGA

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cal_:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7300 GS (rev a1)

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cal_:

thanks clever

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clever:

:)

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cal_:

clever: i couldnt find that in dmesg, or proc. bleh.

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Andycasss:

hm, how to disable authentication from mythweb's stream.php? (<LocationMatch .*/pl/stream/[0–9]+/[0–9]+> Allow from all</LocationMatch>) didnt work

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** iamlindoro__ points at the question re: nVidia restricted drivers **

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clever:

lol

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clever:

Andycasss: the apache channel may know more

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cal_:

iamlindoro: not sure on the drivers. whatever knoppmyth used.

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iamlindoro__:

That's what I'd look in to

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cal_:

clever: will lspci give me the drivers its using too?

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iamlindoro__:

That machine should make short work of anything SD, and anything mpeg-2 HD, too

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clever:

nope

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iamlindoro__:

not to mention most x.264 HD is properly configured

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iamlindoro__:

er if

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xris:

Andycasss: check svn trunk? thought I fixed that.

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clever:

cal_: the driver line in the device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the driver its using

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cal_:

Driver "nvidia"

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iamlindoro__:

yup, so nVidia prop. drivers, good

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iamlindoro__:

Then you need to play TV with logging for both frontend and backend, and look at the logs when the skips occur

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cal_:

okay i will turn logging on then

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cal_:

can i just have that on all the time or does hinder performance?

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iamlindoro__:

It's fine to have it on all the time

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cal_:

sometimes i like to start another X session so i can go to control-F8 and have a full firefox browser, but that really pulls on the memory. so i may upgrade to 2 gig anyway.

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cal_:

what is the built-in mythtv browser? opera or something? it doesnt seem to render a lot of the web pages correctly.

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iamlindoro__:

It's konqueror, I believe (or whatever the heck the KDE browser is)

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clever:

i think its a modified version of konqueror

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clever:

firefox sucks alot of ram i find if you dont reload it often

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Andycasss:

xris, is there a way to fix it myself?

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xris:

Andycasss: depends on whether or not it's fixed in trunk... the locationmatch stuff doesn't work in .htaccess, but should work in the mythweb.conf file in trunk

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Jonny88:

What myth distro would be best for a system with a TOTAL HDD space of 4GB? (It's just for streaming MP3)

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iamlindoro__:

Myth is useless if all you want to do is stream MP3

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iamlindoro__:

or, at least, a total waste

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directhex:

useless! worthless! silly! overblown!

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directhex:

sounds like a job for the entertainer ;)

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iamlindoro__:

install a light linux distro, put your mp3's on a share, and play then from anywhere

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RyeBrye:

you could hack a wireless router to stream MP3's straight to your stereo

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iamlindoro__:

but myth would be a huge waste

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Jonny88:

Could you recommend a better soloution then? PC is standalone with no net connection

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Jonny88:

you could hack a wireless router to stream MP3's straight to your stereo. How?

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iamlindoro__:

that's not what we do here ;)

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iamlindoro__:

Put your question into the Googulator

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iamlindoro__:

If all you want to do is stream MP3s, install Damn Small Linux, create a Samba share, and you can access it from any windows or linux machine... play with Xmms, winamp, or whatever.

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cal_:

jonny: www.icecast.org

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Andycasss:

xris: How to update my svn trunk?

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Andycasss:

should i just use svn update? but in which dir?

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xris:

Andycasss: you'd need to svn update mythweb and then look at the differences between the included apache conf file and the one you're actually using.

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: new meaning to the term Thin Client today ;)

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Kazan:

mythtv to stream mp3s to a stereo

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Kazan:

talk about using a nuke when an ounce of c4 would do

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iamlindoro__:

Nothing quite like swatting a fly with an elephant gun

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Andycasss:

xris: the svn didnt update the conf

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Andycasss:

although some other files were updated – mythweb.pl for example

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter: No joke – taht thing is small...

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: the iPod Touch upgrade fee is beyond stupid though.

[19:36:47]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: but you can fit 3 MBA's in a laptop case for one Dell ;)

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tjcarter:

I won't buy one before April.

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Andycasss:

xris: hmm, now with updated svn i get: Error at /var/www/mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php, line 172: Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=37, backend=36)

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Kazan:

never update mythweb without updating the rest of myth :P

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iamlindoro__:

If you update mythweb you have to update your whole myth system to work with it

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Andycasss:

nice, now ill need to update which dir? :P

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iamlindoro__:

If you have to ask, you probably shouldn't do it

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iamlindoro__:

You would need to check out all of mythtv, compile, and install

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Andycasss:

To update your SVN go to the directory that holds the svn code and run $ svn update Then continue compiling the code with ./configure..., make, and make install. – Question is – where is the directory? Do i need to download source code and then cd into it and do as it says?

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – no joke... I'm happy the AppleTV update is free... hopefully it will be as "hacker friendly" as the previous versions

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: I'm not the only one still after a native MythFrontend.frapplication then? ;)

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: I think I do not like Front Row on Leopard much though

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tjcarter:

Lack of PgUp/PgDn, that any button not used for it takes you out of it, and that you cannot just switch applications

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tjcarter:

I still want a proper desktop frontend ala iTunes (probably not the same interface), but less interest in plugging in to Front Row on something non-AppleTV.

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tjcarter:

I still think a native frontend is a very good idea, in general terms

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – yeah, people still want it on there... Perian was working on adding nuv to their codec pack a few months ago, don't know how that has progressed

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – although I think a UPnP player on the AppleTV might be a better solution – just consume the MythTV stuff via UPnP

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RyeBrye:

the MythTV UI doesn't lend itself well to the apple Retardmote

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tjcarter:

Mostly not in playback.

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Andycasss:

iamlindoro__: Will I be ok if i follow this guide from "How do I download the source code?" ->http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . buntu_Breezy

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tjcarter:

and the repurposing of buttons ...

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tjcarter:

Myth can't understand that really

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iamlindoro__:

Andycasss, Probably not, since that is from four Ubuntu versions ago. the concepts are the same, but you may end up breaking your myth setup badly. Upgrading to SVN, especially when you don't seem to know much about it, is *not* the best way to solve a little mythweb authentication problem

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iamlindoro__:

xris was suggesting that you compare the mythweb.conf files between yours and SVN, *not* that you upgrade to sVN to solve the problem

[19:55:39]

iamlindoro__:

I strongly recommend against doing that unless you have lots and lots of experience compiling software, using SVN, etc.

[19:55:40]

xris:

Andycasss: the apache conf in trunk will work with .20 (it replaces the .htaccess file), but will require a fair amount of hand-tweaking of userid and pathnames to get it to work with your system

[19:56:03]

xris:

don't upgrade the whole thing to trunk unless you're really ready to take that plunge...

[19:57:01]

Andycasss:

meh, i basically already screwed my mythweb

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Andycasss:

i mean, theres no way to get my mythweb working again, than upgrading the whole thing?

[19:59:19]

devsforev:

Greetings everyone. Anyone have experience using apache to restict access to the settings page of mythweb? I have been trying for two hours, and cannot seem to block access to it.

[19:59:28]

iamlindoro__:

You could just download source for .20.2 and copy mythweb from there...

[19:59:54]

devsforev:

iamlindoro__: Does it have certain access restrictions or something/

[19:59:57]

Andycasss:

heh, okay, ill try that lindoro

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xris:

devsforev: you need to use locationmatch

[20:00:05]

xris:

in the apache conf

[20:00:22]

devsforev:

xris: I will look up that directive now, thank you

[20:02:43]

CCFL_Man2:

i have an input card, it has drivers for linux and a precompiled api, i would still need to code in mythtv how to use that api, no?

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Yahooadam:

http://gizmodo.com/343348/confessions-the-mea . . . o-did-at-ces

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Andycasss:

iamlindoro__: where can i get source for 0.21.20071107–2 ? :(

[20:05:31]

iamlindoro__:

Figure out what revision # you have, and check it out from svn with -r #

[20:05:56]

Andycasss:

i should have 14871

[20:05:56]

iamlindoro__:

svn co -r ##### http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythplugins

[20:06:03]

Andycasss:

ah, thanks :)

[20:06:52]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: for mythtv to use a 3rd party api it needs to know how to use is, meaning it's not just plug and play?

[20:07:34]

iamlindoro__:

correct

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: so it's better for me to modulate these transport streams onto cable with a qam modulator than it is trying to get the dvb-asi card working?

[20:08:34]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: the crybabies in #MacOSX wanted 3.0GHz 4GB RAM 128GB SSD for $2000 ;)

[20:08:53]

tjcarter:

They always do ;)

[20:08:55]

devsforev:

xris: You are my hero. I have been trying for two hours using the <Directory> setting instead of <Location>.

[20:09:13]

iamlindoro__:

CCFL_Man2, Yes... I doubt you will find many myth devs interested implementing ASI card support since you're probably the only myth user to use them

[20:09:22]

xris:

devsforev: that's because mythweb's stuff aren't real directories

[20:09:39]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – that's funny... SSD drives are E-x-p-e-n-s-i-v-e and I don't think they even make 128 GB ones at 1.8" do they?

[20:09:57]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: No idea.

[20:10:09]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: but they insist that it all come in that form factor of course

[20:10:15]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: the api is fully documented, but i'm not a coder :P

[20:10:20]

devsforev:

xris: Now is there anyway to make the <Location> honor an .htaccess file? It would be nice to be able to change hosts that can access on-the-fly without restarting the apache2 server

[20:10:21]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: with real ethernet and DVI connectors, of course

[20:10:28]

iamlindoro__:

CCFL_Man2, There being documentation doesn't get the code written

[20:10:32]

CCFL_Man2:

i think using digital qam modulators will be the best way

[20:10:38]

xris:

devsforev: no.. that's only valid in the config

[20:10:53]

xris:

devsforev: why not just use htdigest or something like that?

[20:10:55]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: Sony, Toshiba, etc use a proprietary dongle for Ethernet. Apple used USB. pfft

[20:11:09]

xris:

devsforev: and fyi a graceful restart isn't that bad

[20:11:29]

tjcarter:

"Apple's ripping us off, making us pay $30 for Ethernet that we can forget at home!" Buy two then, and keep one in your laptop bag.

[20:11:31]

devsforev:

xris: You are filled with great ideas... hahah. How would one do a graceful restart by the way?

[20:11:48]

xris:

apachectl graceful?

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xris:

not sure. I use sysV script

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devsforev:

xris: thank you so very much!

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: exactly, i think qam modulators are the best choice, even though it is kind of overkill compaired to an input card, but the card is $2000 for one input, receive only, and no support in myth

[20:12:31]

devsforev:

xris: I just spent 2 hours in the #apache channel, and you answered all my questions and more in less than 10 minutes

[20:12:34]

iamlindoro__:

yup, and by best choice you mean "only current choice"

[20:12:48]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: heh, yeah

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xris:

devsforev: np.. helps to have designed the system. :)

[20:17:53]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: qam should be easier than atsc, with atsc you need more equipment than a modulator

[20:18:25]

iamlindoro__:

QAM will be fine... I still think you're nuts to go this far four eight channels, but to each his own

[20:18:28]

iamlindoro__:

er far for

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: how else do i use c band with mythtv? :P

[20:18:52]

Andycasss:

hm, so i have that mythweb working again, but it doesnt want to stream, keeps giving authentication failed (winamp)

[20:18:56]

iamlindoro__:

Mind telling what your subscription cost (sub only, not equipment) will be to get the channels you want?

[20:19:28]

xris:

Andycasss: and winamp can't do auth

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: i think around $34 a month, i'll get the discovery digital package plus a few a la carts

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iamlindoro__:

And equipment cost to receive them?

[20:20:28]

iamlindoro__:

including QAM modulators, etc.

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: i don't like to think about that :P

[20:20:44]

iamlindoro__:

me neither

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: i love playing with equipment like that though

[20:21:15]

Andycasss:

xris: yes, yes but i want to disable auth from stream.php with <locationmatch>

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Andycasss:

the latest svn mythweb.conf.apache looked the same

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xris:

Andycasss: are you using the apache conf file from svn?

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iamlindoro__:

playing is easy, paying is hard

[20:22:00]

xris:

Andycasss: then I may not have fixed it yet.

[20:22:18]

Andycasss:

But you do know whats wrong with it?

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xris:

nothing's wrong... most video players don't support web authentication.

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xris:

means I have to add an override locationmatch thing to turn authentication off for specific URLs

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: i'll need one receiver per channel, one modulator per channel, then one qam card per channel in the backend

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CCFL_Man2:

or one qam card per frontend

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iamlindoro__:

well, frontends don't use tuner cards

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iamlindoro__:

so those frontends would need to be backends for that to work

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momelod:

greeting channel

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: meaning, each frontend can tune any channel it wants because it has a dedicated card in the backend

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iamlindoro__:

ah, yes, ok

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momelod:

im wondering, is it possible to update the mythvideo <-> imdb content from the command line? Im sitting here at work, i have access to the command line on my mythbox and most importantly im bored :D

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iamlindoro__:

nope

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momelod:

i figured i could use the time to get all the pretty covers and plot info for my vids

[20:31:00]

iamlindoro__:

well

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: i wanted one channel per input, so any frontend can access whatever it wants

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** bagpuss_thecat sobs **

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iamlindoro__:

do you mean update the database with new videos, or the imdb info for videos already in the Dbase?

[20:31:23]

bagpuss_thecat:

my mythbox makes no more sound :-(

[20:31:36]

** bagpuss_thecat suspects fux0red audio stage **

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iamlindoro__:

you can't add new videos from the command line, but there are scripts to run to do IMDB queries for ones already in there

[20:32:06]

momelod:

iamlindoro__: the latter

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iamlindoro__:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /195918.html for IMDB bulk search

[20:33:13]

momelod:

okay, so once the movies are in the db, i can use imdb.pl to update the plot and cover art? (from the command line)

[20:33:30]

iamlindoro__:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7077 is my script to do television episode/plot info download, thumbnail generation, and length calcucation

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iamlindoro__:

do the IMDB one first, then download and run my set of scripts for everything that remains

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momelod:

awesome thanx

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iamlindoro__:

np

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CCFL_Man2:

is epg data broadcasted with QAM channels?

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iamlindoro__:

It can be, it's called EIT

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CCFL_Man2:

oh, same as dvb?

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iamlindoro__:

generally the quality is poor or it's altogether nonexistent, though

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iamlindoro__:

at least in the US

[20:35:08]

iamlindoro__:

yes

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justinh:

Daviey: I need a logitech harmony like I need a hole in the head. set up a remote via a windows pc & web browser. can't think of anything more convoluted – or rather I can but that'd be JP1 programming except with JP1 programming I have total control :)

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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justinh:

remotes with menu screens. pfft!

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_ben:

are the harmonies expensive?

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: wonder if the ASI transport will have that data

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iamlindoro__:

_ben, Yes, obscenely

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_ben:

hehe

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justinh:

besides from what I know about the harmony remotes they seem too dumb to be any use. I mean.. 'watch tv'.. is that 'watch tv from the tuner', 'watch tv from cable' or 'watch mythtv recordings' ?

[20:38:19]

justinh:

plus the sheer amount of buttons they have will scare my wife

[20:38:21]

_ben:

i might just get one of those mce remotes

[20:38:38]

_ben:

i can 'teach' it to turn my tv off apparently as well as control myth

[20:39:05]

_ben:

anyway, back to the job hunt

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justinh:

that's the limit of an MCE remote's ability to control other things though. power & volume controls

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_ben:

hm

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justinh:

seems I haven't mapped ch+ and ch- to anything in my lirc config (duh!) so I'll use them for skipping :)

[20:40:00]

_ben:

come to think of it i'd need to be able to change teh source on the tv too

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iamlindoro__:

So teach it your TV remote commands and use an IR blaster

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: great. then I need the frontend switched on all the time :)

[20:41:01]

iamlindoro__:

true

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iamlindoro__:

hmm... I suppose if you DID get wake-from-sleep with the mceusb working, though, you could script the TV on as part of the restore

[20:41:39]

justinh:

if my TV had direct button functions for using inputs I'd probably just get a 2nd hand pronto & have done with it

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justinh:

there we go. lircrc updated to skip with the ch+ and ch- buttons. just need to change the default skip amount to 4 secs & restart mythfrontend & I'm away

[20:44:16]

justinh:

I've been meaning to look at my remote setup for ages now – I know a lot more about mythtv now than when I first programmed the remote and my usage has changed accordingly

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justinh:

wish I'd looked into setting up vnc on the new frontend now :(

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GreyFoxx:

can you ssh to it ?

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GreyFoxx:

install x11vnc , then from the ssh session just run "x11vnc -display :0"

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GreyFoxx:

then ssh to the box and your in without a password :)

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: /me slaps his forehead!

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mcepl:

hello, when I want to use my normal desktop for watching TV as well (i.e., no dedicated TV computer) is MythTV any use for me, or is this mostly for dedicated "open source TiVO"?

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momelod:

mcepl: run mythtv in a window

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mcepl:

OK, what does it bring it to me over full-screen kaffeine or something like that?

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justinh:

mcepl: PVR functionality. pause, rewind etc

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iamlindoro__:

The fact that kaffeine doesn't record, have database info for your movies, etc..

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momelod:

run the backend on a different machine..

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justinh:

though if all you want to do is plain dumb watch TV on your desktop... mythtv prolly isn't for you

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mcepl:

OK, thanks

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Yggdrasil:

good day, can somone point me in the right direction for how to make a dvd out of the recordings myth has, preferably someway that works with the remote control ive tried it and just not working..

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directhex:

Yggdrasil, mytharchive works for me

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directhex:

though the UI sucks on it

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Yggdrasil:

i see

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Yggdrasil:

mytharchive

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Yggdrasil:

not even sure if i have that

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jduggan:

wow mce irblaster is a doddle

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opentrinity:

hi *

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justinh:

mytharchive is better in trunk. less screens to navigate

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directhex:

predictable beheaviour from arrow keys?

[21:24:18]

justinh:

can't say – not used it in any depth yet

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justinh:

don't think so though

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justinh:

I was tempted to reply to the thread on -users about the s100 box. don't want the tech support load though

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Yggdrasil:

directhex do you have an app called

[21:28:02]

Yggdrasil:

avidemux2

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Yggdrasil:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Archiving_Recordings_to_DVD

[21:28:24]

Yggdrasil:

im reading this thing

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Yggdrasil:

is there a better article ?

[21:28:44]

directhex:

Yggdrasil, i've used avidemux in the past, but i don't use it for myth, given myth has built-in capabilities

[21:29:07]

justinh:

whoah! bout time somebody conversant with mytharchive wrote a manual in the wiki

[21:29:11]

Yggdrasil:

ok im looking for a how to

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directhex:

it's not rocket science

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Yggdrasil:

hmm

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directhex:

install mytharchive plugin, pick it from the menu, select recordings, burn

[21:29:38]

Yggdrasil:

maybe i just didnt have the deps

[21:29:43]

Yggdrasil:

ok wait

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justinh:

mytharchive isn't hard once you get used to the navigation

[21:29:53]

Yggdrasil:

you lost me a t install

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Yggdrasil:

;0

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Yggdrasil:

no i think i missing a dep

[21:30:09]

htpcdvbs:

well i got it installed but it shows no log

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directhex:

mytharchive. it's a plugin.

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Yggdrasil:

wait let me go back

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directhex:

ii mytharchive 0.20.2–0ubuntu2 create and burn DVD's from MythTV – binary file

[21:31:02]

Yggdrasil:

well let me ask this is it acessed under the optical disks >archive files > export video files > create dvd

[21:31:03]

Yggdrasil:

?

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directhex:

yes

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Yggdrasil:

ok then i think i have it installed

[21:31:23]

Yggdrasil:

will it show up if its not installed there ?

[21:31:25]

directhex:

well, export recordings, but yes

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directhex:

only installed plugins are shown

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justinh:

is the wiki article going to have to cover turning the machine on too?

[21:31:56]

Yggdrasil:

ok let me see if im gonna figure it out brb

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directhex:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArchive

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** justinh logs into the wiki **

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justinh:

wow. a lot of wiki articles could sure do with some screenshots

[21:37:09]

directhex:

yep

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** justinh clones himself **

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justinh:

god help you all.. muhahahaha

[21:38:07]

justinh:

no harm in putting out an appeal again. last time 'wiki week' did actually result in some work being done

[21:38:54]

justinh:

if there is to be a 0.21 release in a couple of months or so I'd say now would be a good time to pick up documenting it

[21:39:28]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

flesh out the release notes and other docs on stuff changed

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htpcdvbs:

well i have archive and everything install but can't write a dvd

[21:40:03]

htpcdvbs:

it shows nothing in the log

[21:40:44]

justinh:

htpcdvbs: well, did you configure mytharchive to use a temp working directory that actually exists and is writable by the user you run it as?

[21:40:54]

htpcdvbs:

yes

[21:41:01]

GreyFoxx:

hahaha the drivers for my usb headset have gotten out of wack and is distorting all sound

[21:41:10]

justinh:

and it shows _nothing_ in the log at all?

[21:41:12]

GreyFoxx:

but a couple of the songs sound BETTER this way :)

[21:41:13]

htpcdvbs:

i even chmod 777 the directory

[21:41:24]

GreyFoxx:

wish I could record this and use it inplace of the regular song hehe

[21:41:29]

justinh:

it should show something even if it failed

[21:41:42]

htpcdvbs:

nothing completey blank

[21:41:43]

clever:

GreyFoxx: ive seen a chipset for a usb mp3 player which also acts as a usb sound card

[21:41:46]

iamlindoro__:

he's running mythfrontend -vnothingatall > /dev/null

[21:42:30]

Yggdrasil:

hmm its working

[21:42:36]

Yggdrasil:

or its at least giving me some output

[21:42:49]

justinh:

Yggdrasil: well that's a great start :)

[21:42:59]

Yggdrasil:

its neve done that before

[21:43:00]

Yggdrasil:

im happy

[21:43:05]

Yggdrasil:

thanks

[21:43:14]

Yggdrasil:

ill see here in about 4 hours huh

[21:43:28]

justinh:

yup

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justinh:

if you have a pvr card it'll help to set your recording profiles to use a DVD compliant resolution (e.g. 720x480 for NTSC, 720x576 for PAL) – less encoding to be done

[21:44:16]

Yggdrasil:

ah

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Yggdrasil:

i use dvbs

[21:44:27]

Yggdrasil:

so i think its pretty stuck in that form

[21:44:29]

justinh:

they'll mostly be the right res then

[21:44:34]

Yggdrasil:

nah

[21:44:38]

Yggdrasil:

its 2 different resees

[21:44:47]

Yggdrasil:

because i use 2 different providers

[21:44:49]

justinh:

720x576, 704x576 and.. something else

[21:44:52]

Yggdrasil:

hmm

[21:45:16]

Yggdrasil:

probobly shoudl be that

[21:45:20]

justinh:

some dvd players can cope with non-compliant sizes but that's not in the spec

[21:45:27]

Yggdrasil:

right

[21:45:45]

justinh:

just leave mytharchive to it & see what come out the other end

[21:46:02]

Yggdrasil:

yep

[21:46:08]

Yggdrasil:

i agree

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justinh:

I've found that when it works, it works well but when it doesn't work its usually because of a nick in the mpeg stream

[21:46:20]

Yggdrasil:

ill be happy if i can jsut play them in myth

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Yggdrasil:

i generally have a few of those..

[21:46:35]

Yggdrasil:

ive noticed

[21:46:44]

Yggdrasil:

myth is good but its a bit flakey for dvbs

[21:47:13]

justinh:

I dunno what tricks standalone dvb to dvd boxes use but it'd be nice to find out :)

[21:47:26]

Yggdrasil:

hmm

[21:47:29]

Yggdrasil:

are there such things ?

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opentrinit1:

hi iamlindoro

[21:47:41]

justinh:

in the UK we have DVB-T DVD recorders

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justinh:

Yggdrasil: never thought about them much – I mean there's a possibility they're converting to analogue then recording to DVD :P

[21:50:24]

Kazan:

i can safely use "e2fsadm /dev/ops/batch -L+500M" on an ext3 partition, yes?

[21:50:52]

Kazan:

(just a copy+paste out of lvm howto)

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Varanger:

hi

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justinh:

hey hey

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Varanger:

I have installed a separate F/E for the first time, and I can't make it connect to the B/E. What can I be doing wrong?

[21:52:42]

sid3windr:

backend listening on 127.0.0.1?

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Varanger:

First, I get this message: Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.1.101

[21:53:06]

Varanger:

and later: Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)

[21:53:13]

Varanger:

sid3windr: Yes!

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iamlindoro__:

uhhh... that's a *bad* thing

[21:53:31]

sid3windr:

that's not listening

[21:53:37]

sid3windr:

just that your client is not connecting to the right ip

[21:53:50]

Varanger:

what can I do?

[21:54:06]

Varanger:

The BE/FE works well. The problem is the separate F/E

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iamlindoro__:

reconfigure your backend so that it's set to a real IP

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iamlindoro__:

mythtv-setup 1 General, Page 1

[21:55:24]

justinh:

1. stop the backend. 2 run mythtv setup & set the master backend IP to the real LAN IP address of the machine. 3. set this backend IP address to the same

[21:55:44]

justinh:

4. ensure mysql privileges allow connections from other machines on your LAN.

[21:55:45]

Varanger:

iamlindoro__ : The are two options there: "IP address for myth1" and "Master Server IP address"

[21:55:49]

justinh:

5. restart mythbackend

[21:55:58]

Varanger:

Should I change both?

[21:56:13]

iamlindoro__:

Are you running mythtv-setup on your master backend? If so, yes.

[21:56:28]

justinh:

am I invisible or something?

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Kazan:

yay

[21:56:42]

directhex:

who said that?

[21:56:47]

Kazan:

just doubled the size of my storage array

[21:56:48]

Kazan:

huzza

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iamlindoro__:

me passes his hand through justinh's misty, incorporeal chest

[21:57:04]

sid3windr:

did someone also hear "am I invisible or something?" ? :>

[21:57:06]

justinh:

ah screw it, it's all covered in the docs anyway

[21:57:07]

Kazan:

well.. technically still in the middle of doing it (checking filesystem before resize2fs)

[21:57:08]

iamlindoro__:

whoops, no /

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Varanger:

justinh: Sorry, I am doing what you said, but I am quick – typer and didn't see what you wrote first

[21:57:38]

iamlindoro__:

yeah, man, have a heart. He's quick typer.

[21:57:45]

Varanger:

:p

[21:57:50]

iamlindoro__:

too quick for various parts of speech

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Kazan:

e2fsck takes a while :/

[21:59:36]

directhex:

so does curing cancer

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Varanger:

thank you ppl! I worked!

[22:00:18]

Varanger:

:D

[22:00:27]

iamlindoro__:

He worked!

[22:00:29]

justinh:

directhex: so does ridding the world of stupid people. hurry up darwinism. if only it wasn't as simple to reproduce...

[22:00:37]

Varanger:

justinth: thank you!

[22:00:46]

iamlindoro__:

and you too, justinh!

[22:01:09]

justinh:

np

[22:01:59]

Kazan:

hey janneg you there?

[22:02:11]

Varanger:

How funny.... recorded TV works better under a CRT monitor than a LCD monitor

[22:02:17]

justinh:

duh :)

[22:02:38]

Kazan:

deinterlace :P

[22:03:09]

Varanger:

both frontends are using Linear blend as deinterlacer

[22:03:23]

Kazan:

use kernel

[22:03:32]

justinh:

unless it's a 20 year old monitor way past its best HT drive levels, other than linearity errors, screen focus & screen curvature a CRT will always beat a flat panel

[22:04:01]

justinh:

thing is nobody really makes 47" totally flat thin CRTs

[22:05:07]

justinh:

I hope OLED displays prove to be as bright & contrasty as CRT. that'd be nice

[22:05:41]

Kazan:

if they ever hit the market at a reasonable price

[22:05:45]

justinh:

what about some of those unfeasibly thin panels at CES though.. 9mm .. where the hell was the PSU?

[22:05:50]

Varanger:

I can't change the deinterlace algorithm in the new FE

[22:06:26]

Kazan:

external probably justinh

[22:06:45]

Kazan:

Varanger: did you make sure that FE could write to your mysql db

[22:07:11]

Varanger:

Kazan: I don't know :'(

[22:07:29]

Varanger:

But I can toggle between deinterlace on / off

[22:08:51]

Varanger:

Kazan: Is it enough?

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Kazan:

make sure your second FE can write to the DB

[22:09:09]

Kazan:

./dev/mythvideo/storage: 3181/61177856 files (16.7% non-contiguous), 69790040/122326016 blocks

[22:09:18]

Kazan:

most frag i've ever seen in an ext2 filesystem

[22:09:32]

Kazan:

and they say ext2/3 never needs defragged

[22:12:03]

Varanger:

How can I check if the new FE can write the mysql db in the BE ??

[22:13:20]

Kazan:

check your mysql permissions

[22:13:21]

Varanger:

...

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Varanger:

The bind-address line ?

[22:14:39]

Kazan:

*Sigh*

[22:14:43]

Kazan:

RTF Mysql M

[22:15:08]

Varanger:

I hope he meant : funny

[22:15:09]

Varanger:

:D

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directhex:

yes, the bind-address line

[22:15:16]

Kazan:

yay 57 programs, using 191 GB (2 days 3 hrs 3 mins) out of 918 GB (622 GB free)

[22:15:19]

directhex:

bind to your network address

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Varanger:

thanks... I am leaving for now!

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venger:

anyone running mythtv-backend on a 64bit kernel? i'm getting some weird ioctl32 errors when mythtv-backend starts and i'm guessing it might something to do with missing 32bit emulation this happens on bootup up of a linux-2.6.23.1 amd64 deb kernel, probably when mythtv-backend is starts since a /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart produces the same messages and although mythtv-bankend runs, it can't see the hauppauge 150 tuner.

[22:18:19]

venger:

ioctl32(mythbackend:3924): Unknown cmd fd(4) cmd(80685600){t:'V';sz:104} arg(fff514dc) on /dev/video0

[22:18:19]

venger:

ioctl32(mythbackend:3924): Unknown cmd fd(4) cmd(80685600){t:'V';sz:104} arg(fff51498) on /dev/video0

[22:18:19]

venger:

ioctl32(mythbackend:3924): Unknown cmd fd(4) cmd(803c7601){t:'v';sz:60} arg(fff51500) on /dev/video0

[22:18:20]

venger:

ioctl32(mythbackend:3924): Unknown cmd fd(4) cmd(80685600){t:'V';sz:104} arg(fff5127c) on /dev/video0

[22:18:22]

venger:

ioctl32(mythbackend:3924): Unknown cmd fd(4) cmd(803c7601){t:'v';sz:60} arg(fff5138c) on /dev/video0

[22:18:24]

venger:

oops

[22:18:48]

venger:

meant to paste this happens on bootup up of a linux-2.6.23.1 amd64 deb kernel, probably when mythtv-backend is starts since a /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart produces the same messages and although mythtv-bankend runs, it can't see the hauppauge 150 tuner. 32-bit kernel works fine.

[22:18:49]

venger:

ioctl32(mythbackend:3924): Unknown cmd fd(4) cmd(80685600){t:'V';sz:104} arg(fff514dc) on /dev/video0

[22:18:49]

venger:

ioctl32(mythbackend:3924): Unknown cmd fd(4) cmd(80685600){t:'V';sz:104} arg(fff51498) on /dev/video0

[22:18:49]

venger:

ioctl32(mythbackend:3924): Unknown cmd fd(4) cmd(803c7601){t:'v';sz:60} arg(fff51500) on /dev/video0

[22:18:49]

venger:

ioctl32(mythbackend:3924): Unknown cmd fd(4) cmd(80685600){t:'V';sz:104} arg(fff5127c) on /dev/video0

[22:18:49]

Kazan:

i'm running it on FC7 x86_64

[22:18:51]

venger:

ioctl32(mythbackend:3924): Unknown cmd fd(4) cmd(803c7601){t:'v';sz:60} arg(fff5138c) on /dev/video0

[22:18:52]

Kazan:

STOP

[22:18:53]

Kazan:

STOP

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iamlindoro__:

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[22:18:59]

Kazan:

STOP PASTING IN CHANNEL

[22:19:06]

Kazan:

USE PASTEBIN!

[22:20:29]

venger:

i meant to i apologize, it wasn't saving my new paste for some reason. http://pastebin.ca/856603

[22:20:40]

directhex:

a lot of people are using 64-bit kernels

[22:21:11]

venger:

mixed mode directhex?

[22:21:25]

venger:

i'd assume myth would still be compiled 32bit right

[22:21:36]

Kazan:

no

[22:21:43]

Kazan:

i'd imagine it's compiled 64 bit on a 64 bit system

[22:21:46]

directhex:

biarch? what the hell for?

[22:21:56]

venger:

why not?

[22:21:59]

directhex:

biarch breaks so many things

[22:22:07]

Kazan:

directhex: many distros install the 32bit stuff alone with by default (fedora does for a lot of packages)

[22:22:13]

directhex:

lots of drivers (including iptables) for example

[22:22:59]

venger:

iptables worked, it all did except mythbackend and the ioctl32 calls which i assume is tied into ivtv.

[22:23:27]

directhex:

debian does not have an adequate system for dealing with biarch

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iamlindoro__:

all my myth machines are 64 bit

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lime4x4:

is an external usb 2.0 hard drive fast enough for tv recording and playback?

[22:24:24]

directhex:

essentially, dpkg can only deal with one arch. 32-bit packages found on amd64 debian are _amd64.deb files containing 32-bit code – they're *not* _i386.deb packages

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directhex:

lime4x4, yes

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lime4x4:

thanks cause my local best buy has them on sale for 125 bucks for 500 gigs

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iamlindoro__:

you can get 500 GB for less than that

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iamlindoro__:

newegg

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lime4x4:

not right now. best buy has the seagate free agent for 125.00 newegg as them for 131 plus 7.81 for shipping

[22:26:58]

iamlindoro__:

Sure, on that particular drive, there are a few dozen different 500 Gb drives starting at 110

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lime4x4:

probably but i want it now...lol

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venger:

kazan, what's file /usr/bin/mythbackend output for you?

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opentrinity:

brb

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CCFL_Man2:

the qam options with cumcast are crap

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CCFL_Man2:

i'm amazed people fall for their bullshit

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faginbagin:

Anyone have a problem with mythfrontend totally freezing when you ff/rew/pause/play, so you have to kill & restart it?

[23:00:23]

justinh:

not here. never seen anything as bad as that in the 4 years I've used mythtv

[23:01:08]

faginbagin:

I ask because it happened to me using mythvideo to playback recordings from a panasonic dvd recorder

[23:01:19]

faginbagin:

and because I have a patch that fixes it

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justinh:

post it to the -dev mailing list & see what happens :)

[23:02:54]

faginbagin:

Well, I posted it to an existing ticket that describes a similar problem and got feedback that they're really not interested if the problem's not in trunk

[23:03:05]

justinh:

that's usual

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faginbagin:

I understand the position, so I thought I'd see if anyone else has hit the problem and is interested in a fix

[23:03:51]

justinh:

ahh :)

[23:04:23]

Hoochster:

Hey guys, been happening for awhile now on a slave backend but not quite sure what is going on, and after latest trunk update, now it seems to be happening on both slave backends. I schedule recordings, and it starts no prob but I never can seem to watch them. Looking at space, I never see any space get taken up, says the recording doesn't exist, and doing a mythbackend -v all I don't see anything unusual, says it is writing. only

[23:04:23]

Hoochster:

cancels recording if I manually cancel it. If I am watching LiveTV and start recording, all is fine. Anything i can look for? As far as I am aware I have chmod a+rwx all the recording dirs. and all the shares are on all backends.

[23:04:46]

faginbagin:

I'm dependent on mythtv now, am nervous about switching to trunk & don't have the h/w for trunk environment.

[23:05:06]

justinh:

-users list gets more traffic than here, faginbagin. bigger audience, more chance of it being useful to somebody. then again only any use if folks are up to building myth themselves :)

[23:05:16]

Hoochster:

ohh guess I should say that I am running trunk 15477

[23:05:42]

Hoochster:

15447 guess lol

[23:06:18]

justinh:

Hoochster: the multirec merge was bound to cause issues all across the board. helps to know more detail about the problem – tuner types etc etc etc

[23:06:58]

Hoochster:

justinh, thanks for the reply but this was happening before the merge. and looking, it appears that it is writing the recordings to the / directory instead of the default recording dirs? database corruption?

[23:07:05]

Hoochster:

these are dvb-s tuners

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Hoochster:

and yes it is writing it to the / directory instead of the proper one hmm.

[23:07:49]

Hoochster:

guess I can axe them in the db and re-create them see what happens. unless you have another suggestion

[23:07:58]

clever:

Hoochster: peer at the storage groups in mythtv-setup

[23:08:06]

clever:

peek

[23:08:13]

Hoochster:

was just in there today cuz I reset things up for the merge

[23:08:29]

justinh:

Hoochster: well, do all the usual mysql check & stuff. recording methods have totally changed in trunk AFAIK so I don't think it's related to that unless it's something common between 2 completely different bits of code

[23:08:31]

Hoochster:

and all looks fine, but gonna try deleting all the storage groups and re-create them maybe something is hosed

[23:08:50]

Hoochster:

understood justinh thanks for the tips guys will see what happens

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justinh:

but what clever said about recording groups could be a good point if livetv works fine

[23:09:24]

clever:

livetv may also have its own group

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Hoochster:

should only have to set the recording dirs on the master backend correct? I have a livetv group on each of the slaves, but the master houses the default groups

[23:10:00]

clever:

if a slave doesnt have its recording groups setup it defaults to the master's

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justinh:

been a while since I had a slave BE, and never with rec groups so I dunno on that score

[23:12:20]

opentrinity:

iamlindoro can u help me?

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Hoochster:

I had to setup the livetv group or the slaves wouldn't connect, that is a stipulation in myth I believe is it requires 1 recording dir per slave heh. I am doing something against the rules though my master backend doesn't have any tuners and I think the docs say you must. but assuming those are old docs, it has always worked

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justinh:

Hoochster: don't recall seeing any rule which said thr MBE has to have tuners

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clever:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_ . . . nd_Addons%29

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clever:

'If two shows on the same channel overlap a few minute...'

[23:18:39]

clever:

how much work would that be to code up?

[23:19:02]

justinh:

clever: a shed load

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clever:

lol

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clever:

it 'simply' needs to be able to stream 1 input to 2 files

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clever:

and be able to schedule it properly

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Hoochster:

justinh from the myth docs "The only hard-and-fast rule is that the Master backend must have a capture device defined"

[23:24:12]

opentrinity:

someone can help me to set password for mytweb...i read all wiki but i wrong something i think :-/

[23:24:20]

Hoochster:

but I am assuming they are old and outdated

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clever:

Hoochster: that might be why i had trouble changing the master several weeks ago

[23:24:53]

clever:

tried to make a cardless slave the master

[23:25:06]

clever:

so the slave could framegrabe without having to schedule stuff

[23:25:33]

Hoochster:

arggh still writing to the / directory lmao, I can fix this by defining default storage groups on the slaves to be the same as the master lol, but that is kinda the wrong way about it heh

[23:26:07]

Hoochster:

opentrinity, google mythweb security there is a good howto on that on one of the first few links

[23:27:52]

justinh:

clever: yeah well tell you what you sort the scheduling part out...

[23:28:06]

clever:

and you get the recording part?:P

[23:28:56]

CCFL_Man2:

this is a shame

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clever:

ticket 1772 is a good place to start

[23:29:09]

CCFL_Man2:

comcast is just a damn shame

[23:29:23]

clever:

it seems to be reproducing the multirec branch

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opentrinity:

Hoochster: var/www/html/mythweb doesn't exist form me (from i have var/www/mythweb) ...why all how to are different from mine

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opentrinity:

for me*

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Hoochster:

every flavor of linux uses a diff location for their configs, most like debian based use /var/www but some like fedora based use /var/www/html so just adjust accordingly

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xris:

opentrinity: because there is no standard for where to put web apps... that's why mythweb's documentation uses something like /wwww/ to talk about web dirs

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Hoochster:

you need to symlink your mythweb from your mythplugins dir or copy it, whatever is convenient, and follow the readme, it walks ya through it. and to secure it check out that google

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xris:

and why mythweb's author thinks that packages for most web apps are a stupid idea

[23:33:55]

Hoochster:

ok to fix my issue I had to add the same storage groups on the master on my slaves otherwise it wrote the recordings to the / directory. dunno that musta been a change in trunk awhile back that I missed heh.

[23:34:09]

Hoochster:

either that or my system is just hosed lol

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Hoochster:

so anyone care to explain the input groups for the new merge?

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justinh:

hmmm "I'll just edit this mytharchive wiki item to change the style a bit... " has turned into OMG what have I started?!

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Hoochster:

lol

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justinh:

input groups are groups.. of inputs

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justinh:

:) that's about all I know as yet

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Hoochster:

lmao

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clever:

xris: most packages are tweaked to fit the distro they are made for

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justinh:

oh gawd. stepping on paulh's toes again

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Hoochster:

I added to each capture device recording capability of 3 to each, and redid my inputs, and it seems it created groups for them. just dunno if I need to do any more. I have a buttload of recording devices now lol and they work, but not as expected heh

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justinh:

sorry paul!

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clever:

xris: the cacti package for example sticks an alias into the apache config and doesnt care about the wwwroot

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xris:

clever: yes. it doesn't mean that I can't have my opinions about web app packages, though

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clever:

xris: phpmyadmin sticks a symlink into the wwwroot and the config is a symlink into /etc/ to centralize all config

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opentrinity:

:-( is too different from my sistem.....

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clever:

the bulk of the code is somewhere under /usr/ i think

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xris:

clever: problem with that is when people like me have lots of vhosts set up, etc...

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xris:

and want to use a vhost for things, or whatever.

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clever:

yeah the cacti is visible on all my vhost's

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** justinh thinks it's about time packagers & distro hacks decided on standard ways to do stuff like apache **

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clever:

but its trivial to edit the config after the install

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clever:

or manualy get the php files in a tar and do it yourself

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justinh:

if not the same doc locations etc then at least config methods

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xris:

it's just annoying. web setup stuff is "advanced" and attempts to install super-easy stuff gets in the way of the advanced users.

[23:37:55]

clever:

if you know how to do vhost's you should be able to do it yourself

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clever:

justinh: most of the apache stuff ive seen is a cond.d dir which everything gets included from

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: That antenna 12 meters over and 2 higher allowed me to see that it wasn't a problems with the card (and gets me almost everything QAM did),

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justinh:

I remember an apache developer having a rant about how ubuntu did it a while back :)

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clever:

then packages can stick an addition to the apache config in there

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justinh:

clever: what about modules.enabled & suchlike?

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clever:

without having to parse&edit arround your custom apache.conf

[23:39:11]

clever:

thats just an extension

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clever:

having available and enabled folders for the symlinks

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justinh:

having to manually make symlinks is a PITA compared to editing a config file

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clever:

most of the time the enabled links sseem to be made automaticaly

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clever:

by the package install script

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clever:

its probly there so you can disable it with an rm

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justinh:

ok so screw the user who might want to do it himself. gotcha

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clever:

without loosing the config itself

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justinh:

I like ubuntu and I hate ubuntu :)

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Tommck:

I've been googling quite a bit and haven't found the answer I need. I'm trying to hook up my HDHomeRun on a separate NIC. I have DHCP running... it's getting an IP.. I can ping it... but hdhomerun_config discover doesn't work

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clever:

those who know enough to do it themselve will know how to track down where the config is from and undo the bits the package did

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justinh:

clever: thing is, I find it's a ball-ache to have to do that

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clever:

then dont use ubuntu:P

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jhulst:

Tommck: Turn off your firewall, see if it works, you'll probably need to open a port

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justinh:

still, at least their odd config methods stay more or less the same over time. unlike some other distros I've used

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Tommck:

jhulst – firewall on what machine? my myth box?

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jhulst:

Tommck: whatever box you are trying to use hdhomerun_config from

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Tommck:

jhulst – i've never run a firewall before in Linux, but this is a new install of Ubuntu Gutsy.. does that come with one now?

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Tommck:

(installed by default, I mean)

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jhulst:

Tommck: I have no idea about Ubuntu, probably be best to google it

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justinh:

oh gees. feature requests are seeping into wiki areas outside the designated area

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directhex:

pretty much every linux distro comes with iptables, but not many come with something to make iptables vaguely human-administrable

[23:44:17]

Tommck:

directhex – but it wouldn't set it up in a default install, would it?

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justinh:

I'm starting to go off wikis now

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directhex:

Tommck, iptables is installed, but not configured in any way

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Tommck:

directhex – yeah..

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justinh:

omg.. not just feature requests but support too? "I'm using KnoppMyth R5F1 and can successfully export a recorded show to "native archive" (non-iso). The subtitles work, but it's not possible to fast forward or rewind the usual way. Pause works. Suggestions?"

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opentrinity:

sorry to all channel ...i got it...i have flooded too much this evening :-/ sorry

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justinh:

thats it. to heck with the wiki

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clever:

Tommck: as root run iptables-save

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clever:

Tommck: that will print out the firewall rules to stdout

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clever:

letting you view the current state of it

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Tommck:

clever – no output

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justinh:

does ubuntu even come with iptables installed?

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justinh:

if so, why?

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clever:

probly no rules to block then

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Tommck:

justinh – yeah, it did

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clever:

justinh: i think the only time it lacked it on a fresh install is when i used debootstrap to 'install'

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directhex:

justinh, yes, and because it has "Priority: standard" set on the package!

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justinh:

hmmm didn't know that

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Tommck:

:( this hdhomerun was kinda flooding my network otherwise

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justinh:

Daviey: you up for helping write the new book then?

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blackest:

i am trying to auto mount my storage drives in ubuntu for myth if i paste a line here could someone tell me if it is valid

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blackest:

/dev/hdb1 /media/disk-1 xfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)

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directhex:

aren't disks all on sd* these days?

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justinh:

directhex: not on PATA controllers they aint

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directhex:

also, no brackets in fstab

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Tommck:

directhex – with new distros yea

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blackest:

its more or less what the mount command said

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directhex:

justinh, sure they are!

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justinh:

are they? flippin eff!

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clever:

justinh: my pata disks are showing up as sda now on some systems

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directhex:

justinh, libata moved all disks to sd*

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blackest:

ok should i add auto to the end ?

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Tommck:

I was all weirded out because all my drives are referenced by UUID in the /etc/fstab :)

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Tommck:

blackest – I think auto is the default

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clever:

the ubuntu upgrade scripts changed root and swap to uuid

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clever:

the problem was the swap uuid was found on 2 devices

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directhex:

clever, that's so they don't break on the hd->sd updates in the future!

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clever:

so it turned the swap partition on twice

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justinh:

clever: never goes well for you does it, Ole Gill. good ole Gill :P

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clever:

and once 1 get fully used it writes into the '2nd' and fries the 1st

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directhex:

duplicate universally unique identifiers! genius!

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blackest:

/dev/hdb1 /media/disk-1 xfs rw,nosuid,nodev,auto

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blackest:

ok now ?

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clever:

justinh: my problem has been reported as a bug long ago

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clever:

directhex: evms and hda5 both pointed to the same partition

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justinh:

no distro can fix your problem clever :P

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blackest:

lol

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clever:

directhex: so they had identical uuid's because they are identical devices

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directhex:

clever, isn't evms deprecated?

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