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| [00:04:19] | noonan: | hello, anyone around? |
| [00:05:02] | sn9: | i wish there were |
| [00:05:29] | noonan: | yeah, heh, me too |
| [00:05:49] | sn9: | well, you're here... |
| [00:06:22] | noonan: | I'm totally stumped and wanted to ask someone, feel like listening? |
| [00:06:41] | sn9: | why not? i might even have some kind of answer |
| [00:06:58] | noonan: | yeah,heh, ok |
| [00:07:14] | noonan: | basically I have a scrambled signal when trying to watch TV in myth |
| [00:07:26] | sn9: | scrambled analog? |
| [00:07:33] | noonan: | but it's weirder — yeah |
| [00:07:49] | sn9: | does it work ok without myth? |
| [00:07:53] | noonan: | -- than that because when I scan channels I only get 2 or 4 |
| [00:08:09] | noonan: | I don't know – I don't have a pc and don't know how to test it in ubuntu |
| [00:08:32] | sn9: | you have ubuntu not on a pc? |
| [00:09:12] | ** sn9 is typing this from ubuntu on a 2001 apple ibook ** | |
| [00:09:13] | noonan: | oh, I mean windows |
| [00:09:22] | noonan: | no way |
| [00:09:26] | sn9: | way |
| [00:09:38] | noonan: | i guess that's doable the the PPC version eh |
| [00:09:50] | sn9: | yep, that's what it is |
| [00:10:03] | noonan: | cool, how's it working out? |
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| [00:10:29] | sn9: | pretty well in 7.04 — haven't done the 7.10 upgrade yet |
| [00:11:09] | noonan: | yeah, well this is my first linux experience – been a Mac user all my life |
| [00:11:36] | sn9: | my first mac had 512k ram 64k rom |
| [00:11:52] | sn9: | in 1985 |
| [00:11:59] | noonan: | but I guess people have the best of both |
| [00:12:07] | noonan: | was that the 2e? |
| [00:12:16] | sn9: | /e was not a mac |
| [00:12:20] | sn9: | //e was not a mac |
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| [00:14:16] | noonan: | oh, well, i had a mac + once, but I'm clearly no expert |
| [00:14:37] | sn9: | i had a plus for years |
| [00:15:01] | noonan: | yeah, that was a great machine – i must have designed a hundred lode runner games |
| [00:15:19] | sn9: | gah, don't get me started on lode runner... |
| [00:15:54] | noonan: | great game |
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| [00:16:25] | sn9: | in ubuntu ppc, practically anything video-related tends to assume you have a g4 |
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| [00:17:33] | noonan: | but that's a g3? |
| [00:17:37] | sn9: | people who maintain the ffmpeg packages must never have seen a g3 |
| [00:18:38] | sn9: | i say that with leopard's g4-or-better ultimatum, ubuntu is the future of g3 macs |
| [00:19:55] | noonan: | heh, you might have a point |
| [00:20:42] | noonan: | can I ask you something, what is the TV standard for USA. NTSC or PAL? |
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| [00:20:53] | sn9: | sure, it runs better on pc's, but it's still way more light and fluffy than osx |
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| [00:21:05] | sn9: | USA is NTSC-M |
| [00:21:29] | sn9: | PAL would indeed look scrambled |
| [00:21:45] | noonan: | ok, so how come then when I put in PAL – aha! but I can still see the picture |
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| [00:22:12] | noonan: | when I use ntsc, i only find 2 or 4 channels and they are all scrambled even worse than PAL |
| [00:22:26] | sn9: | odd |
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| [00:22:41] | noonan: | yeah, tha's what I'm sayin |
| [00:22:41] | sn9: | what card? |
| [00:22:47] | noonan: | pvr 150 |
| [00:22:53] | sn9: | hmm |
| [00:23:02] | noonan: | think it's the hardware? |
| [00:23:14] | sn9: | you using an antenna? |
| [00:23:20] | noonan: | no, cable line |
| [00:23:26] | sn9: | even odder |
| [00:23:30] | noonan: | into tuner |
| [00:23:47] | sn9: | are you sure you set the right freq table? |
| [00:24:28] | sn9: | should be either us-cable or us-cable-hrc, depending on what comcast inherited in your local area |
| [00:24:45] | noonan: | hmm, I tried us-cable, not -hrc |
| [00:24:50] | noonan: | lemme see |
| [00:25:05] | sn9: | the primary diffs you'd see would be on ch 5 and 6 |
| [00:25:31] | sn9: | other channels would be relatively ok |
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| [00:26:30] | noonan: | ok, that's making sense cause 5 and 6 are the only channels that come in with ntsc – i knew it was something simple |
| [00:27:01] | sn9: | also, make sure you set the card type as PVR-x50 and not v4l |
| [00:28:31] | noonan: | that i know |
| [00:29:19] | noonan: | do i need to run mythfilldatabase everytime i run the backend setup? my guess is no |
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| [00:30:30] | sn9: | it should be run at regular intervals anyway, so you can put it off |
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| [00:40:30] | CattyKid: | great |
| [00:40:35] | CattyKid: | news! |
| [00:41:04] | sn9: | rea |
| [00:41:08] | sn9: | lly? |
| [00:41:09] | CattyKid: | i just got my mythtv box! |
| [00:42:09] | CattyKid: | though i do have a question about it. the mystery tv tuner in it is a wintv model 44801 |
| [00:42:15] | cal: | grrr.. why is livetv defaulting to my HD card... its on tuner 3 now! |
| [00:42:22] | CattyKid: | should that make me happy or sad? |
| [00:42:30] | sn9: | CattyKid: that's a wintv-go |
| [00:43:29] | sn9: | from before the wintv-go-fm |
| [00:43:50] | CattyKid: | its appears as though it is software encoding only? |
| [00:43:58] | CattyKid: | no hardware mpeg encoding? |
| [00:44:03] | sn9: | right |
| [00:44:54] | CattyKid: | i can use a hardware encoding card and a software card at the same time yes? |
| [00:45:07] | CattyKid: | would i pvr 150 run okay along with this card? |
| [00:45:19] | sn9: | if you have both cards, sure |
| [00:46:01] | CattyKid: | think a 1,6 p4 with a gi of ram could handle recording from both those at the same time or is your guess as good as mine? |
| [00:47:25] | sn9: | the pvr does it's own encoding, so it won't be affected, but 1.6 is a bit light for software encoding. should still work, though — just don't run a frontend on the same box |
| [00:49:08] | CattyKid: | at the same time or at all? |
| [00:49:39] | sn9: | at all == at the same time, because the backend is always running |
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| [00:52:20] | CattyKid: | can i set car priority? for example, the pvr 150 is used as often as possible while the software one is used only when recording 2 at once? |
| [00:52:31] | sn9: | yep |
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| [00:52:53] | tchmnkyz: | hey guys |
| [00:53:16] | CattyKid: | also, why would it run slowly even if the software card is not in use and i am not recording. i kind of have to use this machine for both front and backend:( |
| [00:53:51] | tchmnkyz: | i have home movies i have convirted to divx AVI files how can i play them on my mythtv install most of the time i useit as a DVD player this is the first time i want to play a file |
| [00:54:37] | sn9: | CattyKid: i meant without the pvr. if you give the pvr more priority, you shouldn't have much of a problem |
| [00:54:51] | sn9: | tchmnkyz: mythvideo |
| [00:54:59] | tchmnkyz: | k |
| [00:55:11] | CattyKid: | aw fantastic. you cant imagine how much of a help youve been to me this past week or so! long live myth! |
| [00:55:19] | tchmnkyz: | i have it installed but when i try and play the video does not play it |
| [00:55:44] | sn9: | tchmnkyz: is it divx 6? |
| [00:56:00] | tchmnkyz: | no the guy encoded it in like 4 or 5 i think |
| [00:56:05] | tchmnkyz: | i had someone convert them all |
| [00:56:15] | noonan: | sn9 – you are a true genius |
| [00:56:25] | sn9: | noonan: worked? |
| [00:56:32] | noonan: | heck ya! |
| [00:56:50] | ** sn9 does the happy dance ** | |
| [00:57:26] | sn9: | tchmnkyz: should work, then |
| [00:57:45] | noonan: | heh, hey thanks so much, this is great, i'm pretty pleased with everything ubuntu so far |
| [00:57:58] | noonan: | thanks for your help |
| [00:58:01] | sn9: | yw |
| [00:58:45] | tchmnkyz: | i got it it looks like mplayer was not working right i reinstalled it and it is working now |
| [00:59:11] | tchmnkyz: | although i dont think it likes it being on a nfs share |
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| [01:05:12] | tchmnkyz: | hmm |
| [01:05:14] | tchmnkyz: | it plays it |
| [01:05:25] | tchmnkyz: | just does not display the video on the screen |
| [01:05:46] | sn9: | video driver issue? |
| [01:05:49] | tchmnkyz: | no |
| [01:05:56] | tchmnkyz: | i can run mplayer from cmd line |
| [01:05:58] | tchmnkyz: | and it displays |
| [01:06:06] | sn9: | hmm |
| [01:06:11] | tchmnkyz: | just when i try and run it from mythtv |
| [01:06:17] | tchmnkyz: | i can hear the sound |
| [01:06:23] | tchmnkyz: | just dont see the vid |
| [01:06:41] | cal: | whats the difference between cardinputid and cardid in the cardinput table? |
| [01:07:24] | GreyFoxx: | cardid = card, cardinputid = input on the card |
| [01:07:29] | GreyFoxx: | some cards have multiple inputs |
| [01:08:30] | cal: | thats what i thought, but it set my cardinputid's to the same as my cardid's. |
| [01:09:02] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Do you ever run into the mythtranscode lossless transcode crash on your firewire captures? Do you have a good workaround? |
| [01:09:06] | cal: | its 1,1 2,2 3,3 when it should be 1,1 2,1 and 3,1 |
| [01:09:10] | GreyFoxx: | I dunno how the code references so I don't know if they are unique per card or unique accross everything |
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| [01:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: honestly I exceptionally rarely transcode recordings |
| [01:10:29] | GreyFoxx: | dunno if I've done one other than brief testing since getting Firewire in July |
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| [01:10:50] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: OK. Since I went to firewire this week I found that it chokes mythtranscode if I try to do any lossless transcoding. There's a Trac report on it but it hasn't been touched in 16 months, just curious |
| [01:11:16] | cal: | grey: i am trying to get livetv to not use my hd card as the default card(its supposed to use card 1 as default)... so i moved my hd card from 1 to 3... and its still defaulting to the hd card! |
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| [01:13:54] | tchmnkyz: | anyone else know why when plaing a video file from mythtv it plays in the background and the display of the video is not taken to the foregroud? |
| [01:14:00] | tchmnkyz: | i can hear it playing |
| [01:14:07] | tchmnkyz: | just cant see the video output |
| [01:15:19] | GreyFoxx: | tchmnkyz: Using mythvideo with an external player ? |
| [01:15:51] | tchmnkyz: | i am trying to watch some family videos that i had a guy convirt from VHS to divix files |
| [01:16:00] | tchmnkyz: | and it is playing the files |
| [01:16:12] | tchmnkyz: | i guess with mplayer not sure. but it is playing it i get audio |
| [01:16:18] | tchmnkyz: | just no video output to the screen |
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| [01:16:49] | GreyFoxx: | tchmnkyz: well you have 1 of two possibilities. 1: You aren't using a window manager and the mplayer window is behind myth on the screen |
| [01:17:36] | GreyFoxx: | or 2: mplayer doesn't support the video codec used and as such doesn't open a video window. If you manually run mplayer on the file in a console/xterm you will see messages if it can't open the video codec |
| [01:17:37] | tchmnkyz: | i am using fluxbox |
| [01:17:56] | tchmnkyz: | i can call mplayer and it loads the video fine |
| [01:18:25] | GreyFoxx: | so if you manually run it the video plays? |
| [01:18:41] | tchmnkyz: | yea |
| [01:18:49] | GreyFoxx: | can you alt-tab or somesuch when you launch it from myhth to see if it comes to the forefront? |
| [01:19:21] | tchmnkyz: | nop |
| [01:20:06] | GreyFoxx: | then I can';t even guess |
| [01:20:25] | GreyFoxx: | verify the mplayer commandline configured in mythvideo and use the exact one from the commandline |
| [01:20:50] | tchmnkyz: | i guess i remove fluxbox and install another window manager |
| [01:20:53] | tchmnkyz: | see if that fixes it |
| [01:21:05] | GreyFoxx: | I'd verify the commandline before that, but up to you :) |
| [01:22:04] | tchmnkyz: | i did |
| [01:22:06] | tchmnkyz: | that works fine |
| [01:22:11] | GreyFoxx: | k |
| [01:22:12] | tchmnkyz: | i think flux is not allowing me |
| [01:22:16] | GreyFoxx: | very odd |
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| [01:24:20] | jams: | man i really wish the internal player wouldn't just give up on the slighest read error for dvds |
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| [02:04:29] | Helvasca_: | hey |
| [02:04:42] | Helvasca_: | I was just wondering about Torrent intergration into Mythtv |
| [02:05:15] | sn9: | a bittorrent client? |
| [02:05:20] | Helvasca_: | yup |
| [02:05:39] | Helvasca_: | that intergrates into the frontend as a plugin |
| [02:05:51] | sn9: | integrates in what way? |
| [02:06:02] | Helvasca_: | you can control it from within the front end |
| [02:06:18] | Helvasca_: | just like the weather plugin etc |
| [02:06:36] | sn9: | control? but a bittorrent client is set-it-and-forget-it |
| [02:06:40] | iamlindoro: | There was one, it hasn't compiled against myth in many versions, and nobody intends to update it |
| [02:06:59] | Helvasca_: | k |
| [02:07:14] | Helvasca_: | iamlindoro: was the the torrentocray or whatever its called? |
| [02:07:20] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [02:07:32] | noonan: | wow my screen went crazy when I tried to have myth open in its own window |
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| [02:08:08] | Helvasca_: | Ill just have to use a stand alone then |
| [02:08:20] | sn9: | no biggie |
| [02:08:23] | Helvasca_: | na |
| [02:08:27] | Helvasca_: | would have been nice though |
| [02:09:05] | noonan: | now whenever I run frontend it blows up everything – anyone know if I can reset that to defaults easily? |
| [02:09:30] | Helvasca_: | noonan: just delete the settings in your home folder? |
| [02:09:51] | iamlindoro: | The settings aren't *in* a folder |
| [02:10:04] | Helvasca_: | k |
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| [02:12:13] | Helvasca: | Whats some fun things that you can do with mythtv? |
| [02:12:43] | purserj: | define fun |
| [02:12:46] | sn9: | try to take over the world? |
| [02:13:17] | purserj: | sn9: I think it's more likely you can watch someone else try and take over the world, pause it while you go to the toilet and the resume when you get back |
| [02:13:30] | Helvasca: | things to do when bored with it |
| [02:14:03] | purserj: | write new plugins? |
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| [02:14:21] | sn9: | purserj: or watch someone else write new plugins |
| [02:14:37] | sn9: | and pause that |
| [02:14:45] | iamlindoro: | or come to the chat room and complain about the fact that nobody has written new plugins yet |
| [02:15:04] | sn9: | speaking of which, where is everybody? |
| [02:15:21] | Helvasca: | dunno, but I need food |
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| [02:16:55] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Unofficial_Plugins |
| [02:17:03] | iamlindoro: | Broken plugins to try to make work |
| [02:17:09] | levander: | No one here has used the Crossmeta Windows XFS driver have they? I'm wondering how stable it is. |
| [02:17:10] | iamlindoro: | for the amusement of others |
| [02:17:50] | iamlindoro: | Mmmmm, I'm going to write a trivial script, put the word myth in front of it, and call it a "plugin" |
| [02:19:06] | noonan: | all fixed |
| [02:19:10] | noonan: | no on to the remote |
| [02:21:12] | sn9: | is mythstream broken? |
| [02:21:27] | iamlindoro: | I believe that one works |
| [02:21:45] | sn9: | seems to require libfftw2 when deb only has libfftw3 |
| [02:22:23] | iamlindoro: | I think I saw some work to that around |
| [02:22:29] | iamlindoro: | er some work around to that |
| [02:22:46] | sn9: | probably just creating a symlink |
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| [02:23:20] | ARfdee: | anyone using mythtv and compiz fusion and having a window manager issue? |
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| [02:25:48] | sn9: | undef sym fftw_create_plan with the symlink |
| [02:28:00] | sn9: | never mind, the old pkg is called "fftw2" not "libfftw2" |
| [02:34:33] | levander: | I finally figured out something about my periodic prebuffering pauses. When I mount /var/lib/mythtv/recordings on a SATA drive, they don't happen. Only when it's on a PATA drive. Has anyone else had this problem? |
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| [02:37:14] | Mythbox: | hey guys i'm having some difficulty .. I'm using mythdora currently and its trying to grab from data direct.. any way i can get it to target schedules direct? I'd assume there is a conf file somewhere |
| [02:37:37] | noonan: | hmm, can't get remotw working, no reply from irw |
| [02:37:53] | purserj: | levander: sounds like a kernel issue |
| [02:37:57] | purserj: | noonan: what remote? |
| [02:37:59] | levander: | Mythbox: It's in mythtv-setup somewhere. I'd just use that UI and not worry about conf files personally. |
| [02:38:16] | noonan: | hauppauge! 150 |
| [02:38:24] | Mythbox: | no, schedules direct isnt an option in the UI |
| [02:38:32] | Mythbox: | i was gonna hard code it in |
| [02:38:36] | purserj: | noonan: hmm sorry, never played with it |
| [02:38:45] | noonan: | sokay |
| [02:38:58] | levander: | purserj: I've read about using setpci to set your PCI latency because mythtv makes heavier use of the PCI bus than most. I'm thinking it has something to do with that... |
| [02:39:04] | Tanthrix: | Mythbox: If it's not there, you're using an old version of myth. |
| [02:39:16] | Anduin: | Mythbox: If is isn't in the UI you are running an old version and need to upgrade |
| [02:39:33] | Mythbox: | yeah i know...but i dont want to upgrade if i can hardcode it in |
| [02:39:47] | Anduin: | Problem solved, you cannot. |
| [02:39:56] | Mythbox: | lol |
| [02:40:13] | Mythbox: | the UI corrisponds to some conf file |
| [02:40:14] | Helvasca: | :) |
| [02:40:16] | Mythbox: | i just have to find it |
| [02:40:24] | Anduin: | Mythbox: It doesn't |
| [02:40:48] | Anduin: | That is a "built in" grabber |
| [02:40:48] | Helvasca: | you need to upgrade |
| [02:40:57] | Mythbox: | lol bullcrap there is some file that has the IP address that goes w/ Data Direct |
| [02:41:04] | Mythbox: | all i have to do is change the ip |
| [02:41:06] | Helvasca: | it isnt' supported in your v |
| [02:41:20] | iamlindoro_: | It's not just a matter of changing an IP |
| [02:41:25] | Mythbox: | well can i upgrade w/ mythdora? |
| [02:41:34] | Anduin: | Mythbox: You misoverestimate the complexity of how it works |
| [02:41:37] | Helvasca: | just upgrade mythtv |
| [02:42:05] | Mythbox: | i thought data and schedules direct were using the same protocol tho |
| [02:42:10] | Mythbox: | but yeah i'll try to upgrade |
| [02:42:15] | noonan: | irw runs, but no remote activity registered, and I know the batteries work |
| [02:42:59] | noonan: | there's tons of topics on this but darned if it isn't hard to find the right one |
| [02:43:00] | Anduin: | Mythbox: currently, it does (you only auth with SD but use the z2it servers), there are other issues though (program id format changes for one) |
| [02:43:05] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: misoverestimate, eh? ;) |
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| [02:43:46] | Mythbox: | yeah i'm looking for a mythdora upgrade |
| [02:43:53] | GreyFoxx: | MythLogBot: There are also some data changes |
| [02:44:24] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: By the way, has your A180 come in yet? I think I forgot to mention that mine is working now, having upgraded to a more recent checkout of trunk. |
| [02:44:36] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: Sometimes I lose in my battle with various urges. |
| [02:44:48] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [02:44:50] | Faithful: | when I rip/transcode dvds with "good" quality they end up with lines line the file has been interlaced... any ideas? |
| [02:44:52] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: No, you mentioned it. |
| [02:45:29] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: Mine clicks and pops and is largely unusable though (spent a good chunk of today swapping it in/out of various computers) |
| [02:45:29] | Faithful: | lines s/line/like |
| [02:45:57] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: I get the dreaded Packet dropped due to uncorrectable error |
| [02:46:08] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Weird, haven't heard of anyone having that issue. Any thoughts on the cause? |
| [02:46:59] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: I was just starting to dig in the code to see, the comment seems to indicate a problem with the card/stream. It doesn't happen on every channel, just the ones I watch the most. |
| [02:47:13] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Of course. |
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| [02:47:28] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: How about in mplayer? |
| [02:48:05] | taer: | anyone know of a mirror for metallurgy theme? Getting a 404. |
| [02:48:07] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: I was headed down that path earlier, first time using the dvb apps though so slow going. |
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| [02:49:13] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Gotcha. Well, I presume you know, but the wiki page on adding QAM channels has a ton of great info towards the end of generating a working channels.conf for testing in mplayer, and other misc stuff. |
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| [02:50:00] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: Yup, I've read it, going to use it, just finally decided it wasn't the machine so now down to card/cable. |
| [02:50:36] | sn9: | levander: what motherboard chipset? |
| [02:51:05] | sn9: | is there a mythstream parser for yahooradio? |
| [02:54:13] | sn9: | anybody? |
| [02:54:34] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Well, I'm sorry that you're having troubles. I feel a bit bad now for giving it such a great recommendation. |
| [02:58:04] | ** Tanthrix finally turns on highlighting so he won't miss stuff in the scrollback ** | |
| [02:58:19] | noonan: | ok I give up |
| [02:58:29] | sn9: | Tanthrix: does this work? |
| [02:58:36] | sn9: | noonan: on what? |
| [02:58:39] | jhulst: | One of my HD channels is broadcast in 720p but the tv is set up as 1080 and the picture does not take up the whole screen, I have to imagine myth has options to scale it up, but can't seem to find it. Any suggestions of where to find it? |
| [02:58:50] | Tanthrix: | sn9: Try again while I'm minamized. |
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| [02:59:11] | noonan: | on my remote – just can't find any way that works |
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| [02:59:21] | noonan: | i know it's signalling |
| [02:59:57] | noonan: | butbut irw just doesn't see it |
| [02:59:57] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: bah, I would have bought it anyway, a good cheap intro to HD before spending a lot more on upgrading everything else. |
| [02:59:59] | sn9: | noonan: there was someone else here last night who couldn't get the pvr150 remote working, and i think that was also on ubuntu |
| [03:00:26] | noonan: | sn9: hmm, so it's a thing ey? |
| [03:00:45] | sn9: | i mean friday night, sorry |
| [03:00:46] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: That's good. I don't want to be responsible for causing you pain and suffering. Hopefully you'll get it working in the end. |
| [03:01:37] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: Do you have -v record turned on? |
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| [03:02:06] | noonan: | ok, i'll keep at it, i won't give up, sure I'll be back |
| [03:02:12] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: No, would you like me to? |
| [03:02:50] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: No need to, it you did I was just going to ask if you ever see the packet dropped messages, I'm still not certain they are the actual cause. |
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| [03:03:09] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: One sec, I'll give it a try. |
| [03:03:34] | Anduin: | Channels in 1080i seem to do it for me. |
| [03:03:43] | Anduin: | (NBC for example) |
| [03:05:04] | Tanthrix: | How often do you get them? |
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| [03:05:50] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: in groups, every few seconds |
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| [03:07:37] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: http://novae-res.org/Anduin.txt |
| [03:07:54] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: That's recording Dateline on NBC for a few minutes, then deleting that, and recording a bit of PBS |
| [03:08:00] | _banyan: | Is it just me or does that mythtv-users list have a giant amount of traffic? |
| [03:08:09] | GreyFoxx: | _banyan: it's quite noisy :) |
| [03:08:34] | _banyan: | And when I have problems with MythArchive there's not much to be found on it. |
| [03:08:47] | GreyFoxx: | unfortunately since noone ever searches the archives a lot of it ends up being the same stuff over and over :) |
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| [03:08:57] | _banyan: | ValueError: too many values to unpack. grr. |
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| [03:13:59] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: Thanks, look at it. |
| [03:15:51] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: No prob. And just so you know, I'm extremely far from the pole so I have signal issues. So I don't know if that stuff is normal or not. |
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| [03:19:55] | Mythbox: | guys i have to admit.. mythbuntu is nice for a quick installation |
| [03:20:12] | Catty2: | i am planning on using knoppmyth tonight |
| [03:20:15] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: I'd gladly trade Unknown table for dropped packets, that is about the only difference I see. |
| [03:20:27] | Mythbox: | i tried knopp.. it failed on me for some reason |
| [03:20:41] | Catty2: | hmm |
| [03:20:45] | Catty2: | lets hope i have better luck |
| [03:20:50] | Mythbox: | lol yup |
| [03:21:00] | Mythbox: | you may wanna consider mythbuntu too tho |
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| [03:21:24] | Catty2: | if knoppmyth doesnt work than mythbunutu it is |
| [03:21:42] | Mythbox: | lol ok |
| [03:21:50] | Mythbox: | mythdora is great but 4.0 is out of date |
| [03:22:06] | Mythbox: | and i was told not to try to use yum update bc it messes it up |
| [03:22:15] | Mythbox: | just to wait for 4.1 to be released |
| [03:22:31] | Mythbox: | mythdora 4.0 tries to use data direct |
| [03:23:55] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Well, that's most likely your problem then. |
| [03:24:34] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: And you're sure that it's not a signal problem, or that you have your coax on the wrong plug? |
| [03:24:52] | Catty2: | hey is a 256 mb memory stick and a 128 as well as a software encoder card and a 1.6ghz processor gonna be enough to watch live tv? |
| [03:24:54] | Catty2: | or record tv? |
| [03:25:10] | Catty2: | so 384 mb of memory |
| [03:27:10] | cal_: | hmm why do I get a blue screen when trying to play an hd show on standard def tv? |
| [03:29:53] | iamlindoro: | Catty2: That's cutting it awful close with a software encoder |
| [03:30:03] | Catty2: | :( |
| [03:30:09] | Catty2: | thats all i have on hand at the moment |
| [03:30:15] | _banyan: | Why does my mytharchive poop the bed when I try to start the mythburn portion of the process, with a "ValueError: too many values to unpack"? |
| [03:30:47] | iamlindoro: | Certainly okay for SD with a hardware encoder, with a software encoder, well, you may just have to set the right quality settings |
| [03:31:07] | Catty2: | any reccomendations? |
| [03:31:38] | iamlindoro: | Get a hardware encoder, or keep the bitrate and quality settings down |
| [03:32:38] | Catty2: | what about watching live tv? |
| [03:34:09] | Catty2: | will i have to make changes for that to work? |
| [03:35:14] | iamlindoro: | It's the same, but higher requirements |
| [03:35:25] | iamlindoro: | live TV is more intensive by far than recording it |
| [03:35:40] | Catty2: | i shouldnat have a problem watching anything right? |
| [03:35:48] | Catty2: | if i can get it to record? |
| [03:35:55] | iamlindoro: | no... read what I wrote, please |
| [03:35:57] | iamlindoro: | opposite |
| [03:36:10] | iamlindoro: | live Tv, again, is far more intensive than just recording it |
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| [03:37:33] | iamlindoro: | Because live tv is recording it AND displaying it |
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| [03:43:20] | EnderTheThird: | hey all. i can't access my BE from my FE over the LAN anymore. it doesn't seem to be able to access the db. I can log into mysql with the mythtv account, and it appears to have access to mythconverg. but mythfrontend doesn't access the db, even with the login info setup correctly |
| [03:43:58] | EnderTheThird: | i'm getting a "Failed to init MythContext, exiting." when mythfrontend exits after not accessing the db |
| [03:44:14] | bassboi: | you broke it |
| [03:44:24] | EnderTheThird: | that's comforting, lol |
| [03:44:37] | bassboi: | i'm joking :-D |
| [03:44:41] | EnderTheThird: | care to elaborate? :) |
| [03:45:23] | EnderTheThird: | Mythweb and access with the FE on the BE machine work fine |
| [03:46:21] | bassboi: | i |
| [03:46:31] | bassboi: | i'm sure someone else can help you tons better than i can |
| [03:46:37] | bassboi: | still a noob myself |
| [03:46:41] | EnderTheThird: | got ya |
| [03:46:50] | cal_: | maybe you have a corrupted sql table? shrug |
| [03:47:42] | cal_: | mysqlcheck -r -u mythtv -p mythconverg |
| [03:47:47] | cal_: | you could run that and see what it finds |
| [03:48:31] | EnderTheThird: | all OK except for weather, which was never working |
| [03:48:43] | EnderTheThird: | errr, well the weather stuff doesn't support repair, rather |
| [03:49:02] | jhulst: | EnderTheThird: Could you pastebin the output of mythfrontend starting? Are you sure you're using the correct password in mythtv for the database? |
| [03:49:49] | EnderTheThird: | jhulst, I'll pastebin it, but yeah i checked the username and password, and i can log into mysql from CLI using them just fine |
| [03:49:58] | squish102: | can u access the BE from the FE with mysql |
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| [03:50:16] | jhulst: | EnderTheThird: Logging into the database from the frontend |
| [03:50:23] | jhulst: | ? |
| [03:50:48] | EnderTheThird: | what's the syntax to login remotely from this machine over lan? |
| [03:51:05] | EnderTheThird: | i don't have mysql installed on this machine |
| [03:51:08] | jhulst: | mysql -u mythtv -p -h <hostname> mythconverg |
| [03:51:18] | jhulst: | EnderTheThird: You must, mythtv requires it |
| [03:51:42] | cal_: | you have to change security on the sql database to allow remote access, its not usually on by default. |
| [03:51:51] | squish102: | i dont have a FE, but i nootice i cannot access BE mysql database from windows for some reason |
| [03:52:03] | squish102: | and it used to work just fine |
| [03:52:13] | jhulst: | You have to do some special configuration in mysql to allow remote logins |
| [03:52:22] | EnderTheThird: | mysql-client wasn't installed on here for some reason... |
| [03:52:44] | squish102: | i think an ubuntu update must have screwed something up :( |
| [03:53:01] | EnderTheThird: | squish102: probably. |
| [03:53:08] | EnderTheThird: | no difference with mysql-client. i can login just fine from here |
| [03:53:34] | iamlindoro: | apt-get install libqt3-mt-mysql |
| [03:53:36] | EnderTheThird: | http://openpaste.org/en/4672/ |
| [03:54:01] | EnderTheThird: | that's when running mythfrontend. i'm exiting manually with ESC because it keeps bringing me back to BE login setup screen |
| [03:54:17] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird: Do as I typed above |
| [03:54:21] | EnderTheThird: | done |
| [03:54:22] | iamlindoro: | make sure that's installed |
| [03:54:31] | iamlindoro: | was it already? |
| [03:54:40] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: iamfixed |
| [03:54:43] | EnderTheThird: | it wasn't installed |
| [03:54:47] | iamlindoro: | work now? |
| [03:55:03] | EnderTheThird: | i hadn't changed anything manually to remove that, unless it was removed by apt-get or aptitude |
| [03:55:06] | EnderTheThird: | working like a champ |
| [03:55:09] | iamlindoro: | ok |
| [03:55:53] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: thanks. not sure how that got removed |
| [03:55:59] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [03:56:24] | EnderTheThird: | anything new in svn from the last 1–2 weeks? i just redid .deb's since it wasn't working. i was gonna try to reinstall it |
| [03:56:45] | iamlindoro: | You can just check the revision log, nothing earth-shattering |
| [03:58:23] | squish102: | http://www.pastebin.ca/854244 my removecommercials script that calls a lossless mythtranscode doesnot work with the error in pastebin, pls help |
| [03:58:47] | EnderTheThird: | hmmm, they changed "W" for aspect. it only does 4:3, 16:9, and 14:9. you know the shortcut for changing zoom (full or 16:9 zoom)? i see the option in Playback, but i don't want it all the time. |
| [03:58:55] | EnderTheThird: | looking through key listings now |
| [03:59:38] | iamlindoro: | The error doesn't do much good when it's probably your script that's at fault |
| [03:59:57] | squish102: | i pasted the script line now |
| [04:00:13] | iamlindoro: | it will have a new url every time you change it |
| [04:00:28] | squish102: | CHANID and STARTTIME seem to be right in the 'recorded' table |
| [04:00:30] | iamlindoro: | And you need to paste the whole script, plus ls -al in your recordings dir |
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| [04:00:59] | squish102: | ok, i will do |
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| [04:01:58] | EnderTheThird: | alright. time to see if family guy got a good one in this week for once. they're really hit and miss the last few years |
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| [04:07:43] | squish102: | http://www.pastebin.ca/854291 line 32 calls mythtranscode. i added line 18 to see values passed and they printed line 127 in log |
| [04:08:56] | squish102: | all i can think is that the format for mythtranscode --starttime changed :( |
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| [04:09:34] | Speedy2: | Is livetv in SVN myth any better than 0.20.2? |
| [04:10:04] | sn9: | it's still recorded live before a mythtv audience |
| [04:10:30] | Speedy2: | heh |
| [04:11:09] | _banyan: | Is there a bugzilla for myth? There's something funky with mytharchive. |
| [04:11:14] | iamlindoro_: | squish102: Any chance you're trying to do the transcode from another backend than the one the show was recorded on? |
| [04:11:23] | iamlindoro_: | svn.mythtv.org/trac/ |
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| [04:11:43] | sn9: | _banyan: ^^^ |
| [04:12:02] | squish102: | iamlindoro_ no i only have one BE.. but i had to change hostnames and that caused some problems that may still exist |
| [04:12:30] | iamlindoro_: | squish102: If you run line 32 manually, does it give the same result? |
| [04:13:23] | squish102: | iamlindoro_ i'll try now |
| [04:13:58] | Tanthrix: | My patented way of changing hostnames seemed to work well. (Dump the database, open the .sql file and find/replace, then import back in) |
| [04:14:16] | Tanthrix: | Might be an easy way for you to make sure there aren't any remnants. |
| [04:14:24] | iamlindoro_: | mythtranscode --mpeg2 --honorcutlist -c 1072 -s 20080113183000 -o test.mpeg ought to give you an idea if it would work |
| [04:14:41] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, and failing that, do as Tanthrix suggested |
| [04:14:46] | Catty2: | quick question |
| [04:15:19] | Catty2: | wheneve ri try to boot the knoppmyth cd, i get an "out of range" message from my monitor just after the knoppmyth splash |
| [04:15:38] | Catty2: | i let it sit for a minute or two but couldnt hear anything from the cd drive, so assumed nithing was going on |
| [04:15:40] | Catty2: | any ideaS? |
| [04:15:45] | iamlindoro_: | You can't run myth on your hercules monitor |
| [04:15:46] | sn9: | Catty2: ati chipset? |
| [04:15:53] | Catty2: | ... |
| [04:15:59] | Catty2: | let me check the machine |
| [04:16:10] | Catty2: | why would that do it? |
| [04:16:22] | sn9: | just a hunch |
| [04:16:23] | Catty2: | even running in tv doesnt help |
| [04:16:36] | squish102: | iamlindoro_ using that line 32 gives me the same error (substituting variables) |
| [04:16:41] | sn9: | is it amd 690g? |
| [04:16:58] | Speedy2: | So live SVN Myth still suffers from audio buffering pauses? |
| [04:17:03] | iamlindoro_: | squish102: Then there's some sort of bad database juju going on, since the file is obviously there |
| [04:17:15] | iamlindoro_: | Speedy2: I've never had audio buffering pauses |
| [04:17:21] | squish102: | Tanthrix, that is the way i thought i had done it, but i had similar hostname and i must have screwed it up |
| [04:17:21] | sn9: | Catty2: is it amd 690g? |
| [04:17:43] | Catty2: | if i can get the heatsink off the processor ill tell you lol |
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| [04:18:06] | Speedy2: | iamlindoro: I've always had that issues. |
| [04:18:07] | squish102: | i know i have 2 tuner cards (1 and 2) with the wrong hostname, and then i have 3 and 4 that are right |
| [04:18:29] | iamlindoro_: | squish102: Need to fix the database to have any hope of it working |
| [04:18:31] | sn9: | Catty2: not the cpu, the chipset |
| [04:18:36] | iamlindoro_: | and probably not just in the tuner cards |
| [04:18:46] | Tanthrix: | Speedy2: I had audiobuffering issues. Switched to OSS from alsa and that fixed that. |
| [04:18:52] | Tanthrix: | Er, other way around. |
| [04:19:01] | Speedy2: | Tanthrix: I'm using ALSA. |
| [04:19:16] | Catty2: | sorry sn9 how do i figure that out? |
| [04:19:17] | Speedy2: | Tanthrix: I tried to get OSS setup (that is free oss, not OSS built into kernel) and that was a mess. |
| [04:19:29] | sn9: | Catty2: motherboard manual |
| [04:19:32] | Tanthrix: | Speedy2: All I did was change it to the default OSS stuff, and it worked. |
| [04:19:39] | squish102: | iamlindoro_ is the best way to fix it, to use something like phpmysqladmin (sp) or dump it and edit the file? |
| [04:19:46] | Catty2: | ahhh.... no manual with it, can i check on the hp website probably? |
| [04:20:00] | iamlindoro_: | squish102: Probably simpler to do the latter, but ask Tanthrix, as I've never needed to |
| [04:20:03] | squish102: | or i am hoping there is a script :) |
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| [04:20:21] | sn9: | Catty2: wait, were you the one with the hand-me-down box? that won't be 690g; 690g is new |
| [04:20:37] | Catty2: | SiS650 |
| [04:20:43] | iamlindoro_: | yes, his box is a old POS ;) |
| [04:20:43] | Catty2: | well, i bought it from a friend |
| [04:20:47] | Tanthrix: | squish102: Just dump normally, do a find and replace on the file, then import it back. Easy as it gets. |
| [04:20:58] | sn9: | Catty2: SiS? oh, shit... |
| [04:21:04] | Catty2: | ... |
| [04:21:10] | Catty2: | yes? |
| [04:21:27] | iamlindoro_: | Time to play musical myth distros :) |
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| [04:21:34] | Catty2: | ? |
| [04:21:44] | sn9: | Catty2: if you can get it to work with myth at all, it's gonna be a lot of work |
| [04:21:44] | squish102: | Tanthrix, i will try again, but somehow i have duplicates that will not load again... i think i have to delete all the 'wrong' rows wherever i find it |
| [04:21:56] | iamlindoro_: | download, attempt to boot, repeat as necessary |
| [04:22:46] | Catty2: | ... |
| [04:22:49] | Tanthrix: | Catty2: You're just getting an out of range error, right? |
| [04:22:53] | Catty2: | yes |
| [04:23:04] | Tanthrix: | Catty2: Do you have another monitor you can try it with? |
| [04:23:20] | Catty2: | not really..... what about an actualy video card instead of the onboard? |
| [04:23:34] | sn9: | Catty2: you'll need a different monitor just for the install, but that's a monitor issue, not a video card issue |
| [04:23:47] | Catty2: | and after that? |
| [04:24:09] | sn9: | Catty2: after that, you'll need a halfway decent driver for the SiS video |
| [04:24:10] | Catty2: | i mean i'vwe got another monitor, but its quite a challenge to get the behemoth in here |
| [04:24:15] | Tanthrix: | Well, it depends on the problem really. If it really is just a matter of a crappy monitor bening out of range, boot with another, then figure out how to change the settings to something lower |
| [04:24:33] | Catty2: | i tried to set the video with |
| [04:24:38] | Tanthrix: | In theory it could be a video card issue doing something weird, but I kinda doubt it |
| [04:24:38] | sn9: | Tanthrix: knoppmyth install is console-only |
| [04:24:55] | Catty2: | knoppmyth video=1024*769 depth=24 or whatever the command ios |
| [04:25:05] | Catty2: | okay so here's option 2 |
| [04:25:24] | Tanthrix: | Catty2: Do the lowest thing you can do. 640x480 with a depth of 8 |
| [04:25:29] | sn9: | Catty2: that's for after the install; it has no effect on the installation screen |
| [04:25:46] | Catty2: | ive got an amd sempron 330+ with 512 of ram beside me |
| [04:26:01] | Catty2: | swap out the hdd, put the video card in here, see if it runs? |
| [04:26:09] | sn9: | 3300+? /me envies |
| [04:26:10] | Catty2: | 3300+ i mean |
| [04:26:34] | sn9: | exotic... |
| [04:26:40] | Catty2: | how so? |
| [04:26:51] | Tanthrix: | You're behind the times if you're envying a 3300+ ;) |
| [04:27:05] | Catty2: | it was a pretty budget computer 2 christmases ago |
| [04:27:31] | sn9: | Tanthrix: for its scarcity, not power |
| [04:27:59] | sn9: | they only shipped inside a few hp boxes and nowhere else |
| [04:28:10] | Catty2: | mines in an emachines |
| [04:28:42] | sn9: | then it was swapped in from an hp |
| [04:29:03] | Catty2: | bought it from best buy and didnt touch the stuff inside |
| [04:30:05] | sn9: | [Sun 13 Jan 2008 08:17:52 PM PST] ! <Catty2> ahhh.... no manual with it, can i check on the hp website probably? |
| [04:30:32] | sn9: | why did you want to check on the hp site for an emachines manual? |
| [04:30:54] | Catty2: | no this was when we were still talking about the hp |
| [04:31:20] | Catty2: | since the hp has the shit chipset, i'll just use the emachines as my mythbox and the hp as my computer |
| [04:31:49] | sn9: | if you use the e-machines for anything at all, replace its psu or you'll be sorry |
| [04:32:00] | Catty2: | why's that? |
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| [04:32:18] | Catty2: | are they that bad? |
| [04:32:20] | sn9: | "bestec" brand will fry the board, just watch |
| [04:32:31] | Catty2: | too much draw? |
| [04:32:37] | riddlebox: | do you need mythbackend to get lirc and a remote working? |
| [04:32:38] | sn9: | they spike |
| [04:33:21] | sn9: | riddlebox: irw |
| [04:34:12] | riddlebox: | sn9, well I got everything setup the way I read, I setup my keybindings and stuff and made a ~/.mythtv/lircrc, but mythfrontend doesnt seem to respond to it |
| [04:34:21] | Catty2: | well thanks for your help |
| [04:34:30] | sn9: | riddlebox: does irw work? |
| [04:34:30] | Catty2: | ill need to take care of this another night its getting late |
| [04:34:36] | Catty2: | night and thanks again |
| [04:34:45] | riddlebox: | sn9, yes I can see everything I hit |
| [04:35:10] | sn9: | Catty2: if you want to try booting knoppmyth on the emachines with the crappy monitor first, go ahead |
| [04:35:52] | Catty2: | k |
| [04:36:01] | Catty2: | goodnight, gotta go and reboot anyway |
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| [04:36:28] | sn9: | riddlebox: should work, then |
| [04:36:37] | riddlebox: | hrmm |
| [04:37:42] | Tanthrix: | riddlebox: When you start mythfrontend in a terminal do you see "lirc init success using..." |
| [04:37:56] | riddlebox: | havent tried that let me see |
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| [04:50:26] | squish102: | any1 that has a mysql open and could run the following statement 'Select distinct IFNULL(hostname,'Empty') from settings ' and let me know if they get mack their hostname and an 'Empty'? |
| [04:51:30] | squish102: | i think my settings table is screwed up and i am trying to figure out if i should have NULL in hostname for some settings |
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| [04:59:11] | raden: | is myth quality of recording better than the haupauge wintv software cause im about 2 seconds away from ripping haupauge PVR-150 outtamy win box |
| [04:59:49] | raden: | image is always shaky on recording and quality is shit and i cant record anything higher than 6 mbps or it starts chopping which is crazy fpora 2.4 GHZ if yeah ask me |
| [05:01:00] | c4t3l: | greetings all; I am having trouble with watching live TV and trying to pull up the EPG |
| [05:01:02] | Speedy2: | raden: Is DMA enabled for your disk drive? What chipset? |
| [05:01:16] | c4t3l: | my frontend freezes up every time |
| [05:01:58] | sn9: | c4t3l: only when pulling up epg? |
| [05:03:22] | c4t3l: | yeah, I can use browse mode fine, everytime I pull up the EPG it locks up. I end up having to restart it and nvigate over to "schedule recordings" to record a show |
| [05:03:40] | sn9: | c4t3l: how much ram? |
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| [05:04:39] | c4t3l: | sn9: 512 MB |
| [05:04:58] | sn9: | c4t3l: i couldn't use epg with 512, either. upping to 768 fixed it |
| [05:05:04] | c4t3l: | i did just notice this behavior after adding a haup pvr 500 |
| [05:05:48] | c4t3l: | 768 eh... hmm. I'll have to grab some spare RAM. |
| [05:05:59] | sn9: | however, |
| [05:06:03] | sn9: | however, ymmv |
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| [05:07:30] | bsdfox__: | epg works fine with 256 and 512 for me |
| [05:07:46] | sn9: | bsdfox__: fe and be on one box? |
| [05:07:53] | bsdfox__: | nope just fe |
| [05:07:56] | sn9: | ah |
| [05:08:00] | bsdfox__: | my be is a p2–450 w/ 384mb |
| [05:08:06] | sn9: | this was fe&be |
| [05:08:57] | c4t3l: | bsdfox__: what do your interrupts look like?? |
| [05:09:19] | bsdfox__: | which machine |
| [05:09:21] | riddlebox: | whohoo, got it all working, now I just need to make sure that lirc starts when it boots and I am set |
| [05:09:31] | c4t3l: | i just noticed that my video card and my haup pvr500 share the same IRQ.... hmm |
| [05:09:33] | sn9: | riddlebox: what distro? |
| [05:09:47] | c4t3l: | bsdfox__: fe |
| [05:09:49] | sn9: | c4t3l: move them around |
| [05:10:06] | c4t3l: | I think that's the ticket |
| [05:10:32] | sn9: | but usually, vga irq isn't much |
| [05:10:45] | riddlebox: | sn9,ubuntu gutsy |
| [05:11:14] | sn9: | riddlebox: /etc/defaults/lirc or some such thing |
| [05:11:21] | riddlebox: | sn9, then I am going to be uploading my remote txt file and also I need to save my lircrc file, so I dont have to go through all of this again ;) |
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| [05:11:45] | bsdfox__: | c4t3l: http://rafb.net/p/JnScpR78.html that;s the 512mb fe |
| [05:11:49] | CCFL_Man3: | think appletv would be a decent frontend? |
| [05:12:34] | sn9: | why isn't this in some faq? ^^^^ |
| [05:12:43] | c4t3l: | sn9: even with xVMC enabled |
| [05:12:56] | c4t3l: | appletv boo!! |
| [05:13:00] | sn9: | c4t3l: oh, xvmc... |
| [05:13:47] | riddlebox: | sn9, now what am I going to do, hehe I have all this free time now that it all works, especially the Pinnacle PCTV HD card is pretty much working now, that will make 3 inputs for me now |
| [05:13:51] | raden: | Speedy2, yeah DMA enables |
| [05:14:12] | c4t3l: | i saw appletv at Fry's Electronics while shopping with a friend and I got upset |
| [05:14:32] | sn9: | raden: are you by any chance using an antenna? |
| [05:14:58] | c4t3l: | looks like appletv screen-scraped mythtv's menu |
| [05:15:20] | sn9: | c4t3l: like myth scraped TiVo's? |
| [05:15:35] | raden: | sn9, cable bro |
| [05:15:35] | c4t3l: | :) |
| [05:16:43] | sn9: | raden: what chipset on the mobo? |
| [05:17:20] | CCFL_Man3: | can you run myth on tivos? |
| [05:17:33] | sn9: | CCFL_Man3: that *is* in the faq |
| [05:18:06] | raden: | Intel 865 |
| [05:18:18] | raden: | sn9, does it make that much of a diffrence |
| [05:18:29] | CCFL_Man3: | sn9: hmm.. |
| [05:18:30] | raden: | and is there a better proccessor over most for making a myth box ? |
| [05:18:37] | raden: | ? |
| [05:18:50] | raden: | sick of paying $20 a month for a moxi box |
| [05:19:57] | sn9: | raden: someone earlier today reported that things work ok with sata, but not with pata, and i suspect that person has a flaky pata controller. i865 wouldn't have that problem, though |
| [05:20:13] | c4t3l: | sn9: moving around my cards seems to be the fix. |
| [05:20:25] | c4t3l: | no more crashing!! |
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| [05:20:56] | raden: | any processor recomendations or will a regular dual core intel be ok ? |
| [05:21:26] | sn9: | raden: however, if you're using the i865 onboard video, you're bound to run into at least some kind of issue |
| [05:22:08] | c4t3l: | have the mythtv developers done any work on the 64-bit platforms yet?? |
| [05:22:09] | sn9: | if you make a new box, pick your board first, then the cpu |
| [05:22:19] | raden: | no onboard video |
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| [05:22:55] | sn9: | raden: i do hope you're using the nvidia binary drivers... |
| [05:23:04] | slango: | why might Myth always crash with "Aborted" when I attempt to view the program guide while watching live tv |
| [05:23:31] | sn9: | slango: somebody just asked that |
| [05:23:39] | slango: | sn9, crap. I just got here. |
| [05:23:42] | c4t3l: | slango what happens when you run it from CLI? |
| [05:23:44] | sn9: | c4t3l: was it you? ^^^ |
| [05:23:55] | c4t3l: | yes it was!! |
| [05:24:17] | sn9: | slango: [Sun 13 Jan 2008 09:18:19 PM PST] = <c4t3l> sn9: moving around my cards seems to be the fix. |
| [05:24:26] | slango: | c4t3l, it seems to interrupt in the middle of outputting something to the screen and says 'aborted' |
| [05:24:39] | slango: | sn9, into different slots? |
| [05:24:40] | c4t3l: | slango: what do your interrupts look like. |
| [05:24:44] | slango: | I'm working with a laptop |
| [05:24:52] | c4t3l: | ohh |
| [05:25:08] | sn9: | slango: with a laptop capture card? |
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| [05:25:33] | slango: | sn9, USB capture card |
| [05:25:41] | sn9: | pvrusb2? |
| [05:25:45] | slango: | sn9, I just assumed it was the video card causing the trouble |
| [05:25:49] | slango: | sn9, yep |
| [05:25:52] | raden: | any suggestions on tuner cards ? |
| [05:26:23] | sn9: | slango: more likely is video or ram |
| [05:26:29] | c4t3l: | raden: what are you looking to tune? HD? |
| [05:26:39] | raden: | just normal cable ? |
| [05:26:40] | sn9: | slango: ati, nvidia, or intel? |
| [05:26:57] | slango: | c4t3l, it's dumping some stuff that ends with paths to the font to the terminal and then, in this instance, it said /usr/share/Aborted |
| [05:27:04] | slango: | it just puts the aborted wherever it wants |
| [05:27:07] | slango: | sn9, ati |
| [05:27:12] | sn9: | raden: for analog cable, pvr150 is usually the favorite |
| [05:27:25] | raden: | thats what i hgave not impressed |
| [05:27:33] | c4t3l: | raden: I've always had good luck with my pvr150 |
| [05:27:35] | sn9: | slango: is it recent? |
| [05:27:41] | raden: | must just be winblows |
| [05:28:12] | c4t3l: | slango: what if you run an `xtrace mythfrontend` |
| [05:28:14] | sn9: | raden: you're running myth under widows? |
| [05:28:20] | sn9: | *windows |
| [05:28:26] | c4t3l: | hehe |
| [05:28:51] | sn9: | slango: is it a recent ati? |
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| [05:28:57] | slango: | sn9, I got the laptop 4 years ago |
| [05:29:12] | slango: | it was called a "gaming laptop" then |
| [05:29:20] | sn9: | slango: so, radeon mobility 9700 or so? |
| [05:29:22] | slango: | never really used it for such, but it had the best specs |
| [05:29:29] | slango: | I think 9100, but i'm not sure |
| [05:29:33] | slango: | something around there |
| [05:29:36] | raden: | sn9, using wintv but im not impressed with capture or recording |
| [05:29:41] | slango: | came in a Dell Inspiron 9100 |
| [05:30:17] | sn9: | slango: inspiron 9100 was a desktop-replacement laptop that had the radeon mobility 9700 |
| [05:30:33] | slango: | sn9, then that's it |
| [05:30:49] | sn9: | slango: which video driver are you using? |
| [05:30:51] | slango: | probably just thought the card was 9100 because of the laptop model # |
| [05:31:13] | slango: | sn9, ati proprietary right now, because I need tv out to work |
| [05:31:27] | sn9: | slango: then you're SOL |
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| [05:32:22] | slango: | sn9, i've heard that tv-out is working in the latest builds of radeon, but I can't find what exact version it's in, or which version I'm using |
| [05:32:24] | sn9: | slango: best you can hope for if you need tv-out is the cutting-edge latest fglrx |
| [05:32:45] | sn9: | no, tv-out on the 9700 will only work with fglrx |
| [05:33:08] | sn9: | radeon only does it for pre-r300 |
| [05:33:28] | slango: | sn9, i'm using fglrx, and my distro is archlinux, which is usually pretty cutting edge... |
| [05:33:29] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: mplayer was the same (fewer loud clicks but I think they check the audio packets more closely), I get a52 CRC check failures everywhere. |
| [05:34:00] | slango: | didn't ATI open-source the code for these drivers? |
| [05:34:17] | sn9: | slango: compare your fglrx version with the ati website. it won't help much, but it's all you can do |
| [05:34:33] | sn9: | no, the 9700 was not among the stuff to get opened |
| [05:34:41] | CCFL_Man3: | sn9: i gots an old tivo series 1, i hate to throw it out |
| [05:34:56] | slango: | sn9, well that's just plain douchey of ATI |
| [05:34:59] | sn9: | CCFL_Man3: i'm still using my series1 |
| [05:35:18] | _banyan: | When you do a split in python, does the variable that gets the value of the split have the ability to be referred to as a slice like an array in perl? |
| [05:35:31] | sn9: | CCFL_Man3: i have a bunch of stuff running on it, but not myth |
| [05:35:50] | CCFL_Man3: | sn9: what do you have running on it? |
| [05:36:11] | _banyan: | It turns out that because I have a file system mounted on a directory with spaces in the name, mythburn craps out. |
| [05:36:15] | sn9: | CCFL_Man3: i forget; i haven't telnet'ed into it for a while |
| [05:36:29] | CCFL_Man3: | sn9: anything usefull? |
| [05:36:49] | sn9: | CCFL_Man3: it was useful when i put it there |
| [05:37:14] | c4t3l: | you can telnet into a Tivo?? |
| [05:37:19] | CCFL_Man3: | ahh |
| [05:37:22] | sn9: | i even had gcc running on the tivo |
| [05:37:59] | c4t3l: | wtf??, do tivos use linux or *nix variant?? |
| [05:38:08] | CCFL_Man3: | ahh |
| [05:38:13] | CCFL_Man3: | they run linux |
| [05:38:16] | GreyFoxx: | c4t3l: linux |
| [05:38:17] | sn9: | c4t3l: tivo was the original commercial linux box |
| [05:38:20] | slango: | sn9, and fglrx doesn't support Xvideo (or doesn't support it correctly) right? |
| [05:38:38] | sn9: | slango: the latest might and i do mean *might* |
| [05:38:46] | c4t3l: | well I'll be |
| [05:39:24] | CCFL_Man3: | granted, tivo series 3 is a nice interface, but you pay a lot for the service and most of it is drmed |
| [05:39:29] | slango: | what is the benefit to a company like ATI to keep their driver code closed? |
| [05:40:13] | sn9: | slango: that way, they can hire idiots |
| [05:40:26] | c4t3l: | hehe |
| [05:40:46] | slango: | sn9, fair enough |
| [05:40:59] | krazytekn0: | slango, so that the world can't see all their gaping security holes |
| [05:41:19] | krazytekn0: | until someone finds them on their own of course |
| [05:41:29] | GreyFoxx: | And you'd be suprised how often hard doesn't work or do what it's suppose to, so they "fake" bits in the driver |
| [05:41:38] | slango: | but driver authors wouldn't actually need their code... couldn't they just release the additional specs of their devices to give the community enough information to write their own drivers? |
| [05:41:58] | CCFL_Man3: | i want to get an apple tv |
| [05:42:05] | sn9: | slango: that's what they half-did with the new stuff |
| [05:42:16] | GreyFoxx: | slango: Many don't want you to know about problems with hardware, and think that revealing too much with let another people reproduce their stuff at a lower cost |
| [05:42:23] | GreyFoxx: | It's all bout "IP" man :) |
| [05:42:44] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: Do you use QAM on your A180? |
| [05:42:50] | GreyFoxx: | Anduin: yup |
| [05:42:51] | krazytekn0: | slango, they're getting there, but that will mean exposing a lot of their trade secrets on how their stuff is put together |
| [05:42:54] | GreyFoxx: | not ATSC here :/ |
| [05:42:56] | slango: | but surely ATI isn't still putting the 9700 in machines after 4 years... |
| [05:42:57] | GreyFoxx: | err no |
| [05:43:10] | krazytekn0: | GreyFoxx bet me |
| [05:43:13] | GreyFoxx: | Anduin: It works great for my QAM signal |
| [05:43:17] | krazytekn0: | *beet |
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| [05:43:22] | krazytekn0: | *beat |
| [05:43:30] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: Do you remember your signal strength? |
| [05:43:30] | ** krazytekn0 is an idiot tonight ** | |
| [05:44:25] | GreyFoxx: | Anduin: Nope, It's been a long time since my last scan. I've never seen even a hint of problems |
| [05:44:33] | c4t3l: | does anyone here know of the cable-card.. and if it will ever be supported in North America |
| [05:44:55] | GreyFoxx: | Anduin: I was thinking of testing a channel scan this weekend though,m so I can let you know what it is |
| [05:45:02] | sn9: | c4t3l: only via cable-company stb's with firewire |
| [05:45:07] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: Yeah, I don't have any other HD here to compare it to so I've mostly narrowed my problems to the card or the cable |
| [05:45:23] | Aval0n: | what the heck is a .mkv? |
| [05:45:34] | GreyFoxx: | Aval0n: Matroska container |
| [05:45:40] | GreyFoxx: | Like AVI is a container |
| [05:45:47] | Aval0n: | ahh ok |
| [05:45:56] | Aval0n: | mythtv internal player support it? |
| [05:45:56] | Anduin: | I get a52 CRC errors and dropped packets and have run out of things to mess with. |
| [05:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | Aval0n: Not well |
| [05:46:05] | Aval0n: | =( |
| [05:46:08] | GreyFoxx: | Aval0n: Lots of seeking problems |
| [05:46:11] | c4t3l: | sn9: see, I dont want a stb in my house, I just want a cable-card plugged into my mythtv box so I can watch digital cable |
| [05:46:15] | krazytekn0: | does mythtv work alright on a series2 tivo? |
| [05:46:16] | Aval0n: | ahh bummer |
| [05:46:21] | Aval0n: | even svn? |
| [05:46:26] | GreyFoxx: | Aval0n: Yes |
| [05:46:28] | sn9: | c4t3l: never |
| [05:46:34] | Aval0n: | ok thnx |
| [05:46:52] | GreyFoxx: | Aval0n: It should improve after 0.21 comes out, several of us want to fix it but no time right now |
| [05:46:58] | sn9: | c4t3l: so far, the only way to do that is with windows |
| [05:47:03] | Aval0n: | I hear ya |
| [05:47:15] | GreyFoxx: | Anduin: Ahhh I don't get anything like that reported in dmesg or my mythlogs |
| [05:47:41] | GreyFoxx: | Aval0n: You can configure mythvideo to launch mplayer for mkv files and leave Internal for everything else |
| [05:47:49] | Aval0n: | you can?! |
| [05:47:52] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah |
| [05:47:53] | Aval0n: | caue I run mplayer svn |
| [05:47:53] | sn9: | krazytekn0: it's in the faq |
| [05:47:55] | Aval0n: | nice |
| [05:47:56] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: Yeah, Tanthrix had no problems either, I think I'll be lazy and replace the card and see if that fixes it. |
| [05:48:02] | krazytekn0: | sn9 thanks |
| [05:48:08] | Aval0n: | I'll probably be doing that then |
| [05:48:08] | c4t3l: | sn9: that chaps my hide!! |
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| [05:48:12] | GreyFoxx: | You have a default player, and can configure seperate players per file extension |
| [05:48:18] | GreyFoxx: | Anduin: hehe |
| [05:48:19] | Aval0n: | nice. |
| [05:48:28] | GreyFoxx: | If you have a spare that's a good idea |
| [05:48:36] | GreyFoxx: | Anduin: Try a different PCI slot as well |
| [05:48:42] | sn9: | c4t3l: get the stb with firewire |
| [05:48:48] | Aval0n: | greyfoxx do you know if there is any focus on making mythtv's menus more intuitive? |
| [05:48:59] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: Oh, I've swapped slots, and computers, three of them so far. |
| [05:49:06] | GreyFoxx: | Anduin: I've got 1 DVBS card that gives me no end of trouble in 2 particular slots |
| [05:49:09] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh ok |
| [05:49:12] | sn9: | c4t3l: otherwise, use clearqam |
| [05:49:26] | GreyFoxx: | Aval0n: That's kind of "in the eye of the beholder" |
| [05:49:33] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Have you tried just plugging an old antenna into it, just for the heck of it? |
| [05:49:37] | GreyFoxx: | What you find intuitive I might not |
| [05:49:40] | Aval0n: | yeah Is uppose so |
| [05:49:43] | c4t3l: | sn9: but that wont help for scrambled ones will it? |
| [05:49:44] | Aval0n: | I suppose |
| [05:49:54] | raden: | how are the PCHDTV cards ? |
| [05:49:54] | sn9: | c4t3l: firewire might |
| [05:49:54] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: Not living in a cave I'd need to go buy an antenna :) |
| [05:50:12] | GreyFoxx: | But more wizard like stuff for tuner setup and appearance stuff (which has been started) would be nice |
| [05:50:34] | sn9: | c4t3l: if you can't get your scrambled channels over firewire, the only other way is the hd-pvr card |
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| [05:50:58] | GreyFoxx: | Anduin: In mythfrontend there are different menu views though |
| [05:51:08] | GreyFoxx: | Personally I hate the default and use "Classic" instead |
| [05:51:08] | raden: | or is haupauge the way to go ? |
| [05:51:20] | GreyFoxx: | but that could just me being stubborn and use to the old setup :) |
| [05:51:20] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: and mplayer is pickier, I get a52 CRC errors on every channel (with noticeable silence), only the occasionally pop though. |
| [05:51:34] | sn9: | raden: for analog, pchdtv are framegrabbers |
| [05:51:39] | c4t3l: | raden: it depends where you are and what media type you want to capture |
| [05:51:55] | raden: | 1 hr shows that im never home to see :) |
| [05:52:01] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: That sounds like classic signal strength issues. |
| [05:52:05] | raden: | soo like 30 hrs of recording a wee k |
| [05:52:15] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: I can't imagine what would cause the card to just partially work like that. |
| [05:52:15] | raden: | in midwest USA |
| [05:52:48] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Do you have a cable modem by any chance? |
| [05:52:49] | sn9: | c4t3l: raden has analog cable |
| [05:52:55] | c4t3l: | raden: if you use a framegrabber, you'll need a little beefier PC than if you used a hardware based encoder card |
| [05:53:03] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: Yeah, today I bypassed the main splitter, went from 93% to 95/97 |
| [05:53:14] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: I do not |
| [05:53:16] | c4t3l: | sn9: ahh |
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| [05:53:38] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: No digital then, just analog cable? |
| [05:53:40] | raden: | isnt everything suppose to be digital by 2009 or something ? |
| [05:53:53] | sn9: | raden: except cable |
| [05:54:04] | raden: | so just broadcast has to be digi ? |
| [05:54:20] | c4t3l: | raden: that refers to "OTA" broadcasts |
| [05:54:26] | sn9: | raden: yes. cable companies are *required* to provide analog until 2012 |
| [05:54:28] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: Yeah I have digital cable, just not switched to a cable modem yet. |
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| [05:54:55] | raden: | then what ? |
| [05:55:08] | Anduin: | Then they will still be interested in your money. |
| [05:55:22] | sn9: | raden: then they can do what they want, which will invariably be no analog |
| [05:55:24] | raden: | gah |
| [05:55:27] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: I was going to say that it's possible for the higher digital frequencies not to work, but for the analog portion to be fine. (I rototilled my cable this summer for instance – a quick solder job yielded near perfect analog, but the internet and digital STB were all down_ |
| [05:55:27] | raden: | lol |
| [05:55:34] | raden: | always something for more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ |
| [05:55:37] | raden: | well guys nin ni |
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| [05:55:53] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: But if you have digital cable that works regularely, that's probably not the case. Still possible though, depending on how it's all setup for you. |
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| [05:56:25] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: Yeah, I had a cable modem before, the gardeners were edging and took it out, same thing, nothing like that here. |
| [05:56:36] | c4t3l: | i swear that the telecommunications act of 1996 mandates that cable companies are supposed to allow "other" devices to acces their "networks" |
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| [05:56:51] | sn9: | c4t3l: they do |
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| [05:59:48] | c4t3l: | your're right they do... I'm just upset cuz I can only receive 4 HD channels in my area, but if I upgrade to HD-cable I'll get substantially more. I just dont want anymore clutter in my entertainment center |
| [06:00:50] | c4t3l: | goin for the minimalist look |
| [06:01:06] | sn9: | c4t3l: then put the stb and backent somewhere else. only keep the frontend in the entertainment center |
| [06:01:17] | sn9: | *backend |
| [06:02:33] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Before you send your card back, you should try and make yourself a quick little antenna just to see what happens. If you're in a decent area a length of wire should do the trick. I've done it before. |
| [06:02:40] | c4t3l: | sn9: yeah |
| [06:03:02] | c4t3l: | g'night all |
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| [06:04:09] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: Yeah, I think I'll but another A180 if it is the same I'll assume it isn't the card, if it worked, well then no need for the hdhr yet. |
| [06:05:20] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: That works too, albeit a costly approach ;) |
| [06:05:43] | Anduin: | Bah, newegg is selling broken ones for $50 :) |
| [06:06:12] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: http://members.shaw.ca/hdtvantenna/ <--You could have an antenna made and tested in 5 min ;) |
| [06:07:33] | Tanthrix: | That's fancy though. At work, I just used a random RCA cable that I stripped off and shoved into the jack to get a ATSC tuner enabled monitor that came in up and running ;) |
| [06:09:27] | sn9: | Tanthrix: if you have a 75ohm-300ohm adapter, put your finger on the two screws. the human body makes a very effective antenna that way. i've done it many times |
| [06:09:39] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [06:09:40] | Anduin: | Yeah, I have no shortage of wires, I may try later tomorrow. |
| [06:10:27] | Tanthrix: | I actually been slightly considering switching my tuner over to antenna, since I have occasional signal problems with the cable |
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| [06:10:47] | Tanthrix: | And I think the OTA frequencies are less likely to change than Comcast |
| [06:11:02] | Anduin: | I have no idea how many stations I'd get that way, it wasn't many last time I used an antenna. |
| [06:11:18] | Tanthrix: | (I got the pleasure of having to relocate PBS the other day without the help of the myth channel scanner since Comcast rearranged things) |
| [06:11:50] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Unless you're lucky, it should be the same as what you get over cable. (Usually minus a bunch of channels that are irrelevent, like home shopping) |
| [06:11:51] | Anduin: | Yeah, I have to say I didn't fully understand how nice the myth channel scanner was until recently. |
| [06:12:26] | sn9: | Tanthrix: doesn't schedulesdirect do that for you? |
| [06:12:45] | Tanthrix: | sn9: No. SD only provides data. Frequencies are all over the place for QAM/ATSC. |
| [06:12:45] | sn9: | relocation, that is |
| [06:13:06] | sn9: | oh, you use clearqam... |
| [06:13:19] | Tanthrix: | As opposed to what? |
| [06:13:23] | sn9: | analog |
| [06:13:56] | Tanthrix: | When anyone refers to QAM around here, they're specifically referring to digital QAM |
| [06:14:27] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: I'll try tomorrow, I have doubts though (many of the are out of SF, there is a sizable hill between me and it). |
| [06:14:29] | sn9: | yes, but i didn't notice you mention it at all |
| [06:14:45] | sn9: | Anduin: you're in sf too? |
| [06:15:06] | Anduin: | sn9: No, further south, in Santa Cruz |
| [06:15:09] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Just try a bit of moon bouncing, should do the trick. ;) |
| [06:15:36] | Anduin: | sn9: but the KQED tower is up there |
| [06:15:58] | sn9: | Anduin: can't you get the monterey stations, too? i know there's no pbs, but... |
| [06:16:01] | iamlindoro_: | We've got all sorts of Bay Area in here :) I'm in San Jose. |
| [06:16:14] | iamlindoro_: | bsdfox__ is in Santa Cruz as well, I believe |
| [06:16:17] | Anduin: | sn9: Yeah, probably get KSBW (Salinas) |
| [06:16:52] | Anduin: | sn9: But I haven't tried to use an antenna to watch TV in a long time so just guessing. |
| [06:16:53] | sn9: | Anduin: by the way, what eve happened to ksbw after nbc moved to kntv? |
| [06:17:07] | sn9: | *ever |
| [06:17:57] | sn9: | kntv was previously the only abc station serving that area |
| [06:18:10] | Anduin: | sn9: They are still the NBC affiliate down here (I do get NBC11 on QAM now though) |
| [06:18:14] | ** Tanthrix adds Hauppuage's site to his daily check list in anticipation of the new HD tuner ** | |
| [06:18:24] | Tanthrix: | I wish they'd post some damned pictures. |
| [06:18:50] | sn9: | Anduin: so they get two nbc's and no abc now? |
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| [06:20:02] | telee: | so im running mythbuntu, and want to run e17 insteadl. Anyone know how to change this? |
| [06:20:21] | Anduin: | sn9: No, we get ABC7 (KGO SF) |
| [06:20:34] | sn9: | telee: gOS |
| [06:20:45] | telee: | ? |
| [06:21:11] | sn9: | the google version of ubuntu |
| [06:21:20] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels |
| [06:21:36] | telee: | are you asking if thats what im running? |
| [06:21:44] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Enter your zip code – the 8vsb channels will be all the ones available over antenna. |
| [06:21:53] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: Yup, been there, I get most of that (minus 1) |
| [06:21:54] | sn9: | telee: no, i'm saying that has e17 |
| [06:22:05] | telee: | oh |
| [06:22:15] | telee: | ok well i have mythbuntu, but want to run e17 |
| [06:22:24] | telee: | by the way. gOS looks nice =] |
| [06:22:45] | iamlindoro_: | I would think apt-get install enlightenment and changing the session type ought to do it... |
| [06:23:01] | sn9: | iamlindoro_: that's e16 |
| [06:23:09] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: Looking again, and yes, if it works I'd be inclined to give up on QAM |
| [06:23:09] | telee: | iamlindoro, yeah how do i change sessions |
| [06:23:42] | iamlindoro_: | Uhhh... really? |
| [06:23:48] | sn9: | yes |
| [06:23:49] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Then you can bask in the glory of getting free digital television, without the bastard cable companies! It's a delightful feeling. |
| [06:24:05] | iamlindoro_: | so what is e17? |
| [06:24:29] | iamlindoro_: | isn't e17 just release 17 of enlightenment? |
| [06:24:34] | telee: | so i did do apt-get install enlightenment... how do i get e17? is there repositories for ti? |
| [06:24:34] | sn9: | the later version not in debian/ubuntu |
| [06:24:34] | cafuego: | e17 is enlightenment (the window manager) version 17 |
| [06:24:53] | cafuego: | telee: There are third party e17 packages for Ubuntu |
| [06:25:02] | telee: | ok |
| [06:25:13] | Tanthrix: | What I'm curious about is why I get Nasa TV, yet it's not listed in the channel guide on the comcast box, anywhere.. |
| [06:25:13] | telee: | so between enlightenment and fluxbox what would you urn/ |
| [06:25:36] | ** cafuego thinks they're both quite ugly and would use a text terminal ** | |
| [06:25:50] | telee: | cafuego, lol im not good enough for that |
| [06:26:05] | cafuego: | telee: try both, see how you go.. |
| [06:26:07] | sn9: | Tanthrix: check your community college channel |
| [06:26:07] | cafuego: | http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu/ |
| [06:26:20] | telee: | cafuego, so how do i change my sessions? |
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| [06:26:26] | telee: | caus ei dont get the startup screen when i boot up |
| [06:26:43] | cafuego: | telee: That's more of an #ubuintu question, really. |
| [06:26:48] | telee: | k |
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| [06:28:58] | telee: | thanks for the help |
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| [06:30:48] | ** Anduin doesn't resist the urge to just try the antenna tonight ** | |
| [06:31:02] | Tanthrix: | Good! |
| [06:32:31] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: This shows a more quick and dirty way to get the job done, assuming you have a coax cable you are ok with parting with, http://members.shaw.ca/hdtvantenna/pictures.htm |
| [06:33:04] | sn9: | Anduin: if you want to use atsc, do yourself a favor and buy a cheap humongous outdoor rig at costco |
| [06:33:23] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: I already have all the parts from the first page, should only take a few minutes |
| [06:33:37] | Anduin: | sn9: If it works I'll buy something pretty. |
| [06:33:39] | Tanthrix: | sn9: What for? I was able to pick up every ATSC channel I have available with some bunny ears shoved in a closet. |
| [06:33:53] | Tanthrix: | No need for the roof mounted monstrocity, unless you need it. |
| [06:34:10] | sn9: | Tanthrix: do you live in santa cruz? |
| [06:34:25] | Tanthrix: | No. Do you? |
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| [06:34:43] | sn9: | no, but i have attempted to receive tv signals there |
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| [06:35:52] | sn9: | it's as if the obscene amount of forestry actually gets in the way |
| [06:36:18] | iamlindoro_: | I think our current administration thinks forests are obscene too |
| [06:36:19] | Anduin: | as usually locating the diagonals will probably take the longest |
| [06:36:36] | sn9: | iamlindoro_: everything in moderation |
| [06:36:40] | Anduin: | I'm not looking for perfection, just assurance it isn't some problem with the card. |
| [06:36:57] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: I'm sure it will be a simple matter to take your PC, monitor, keyboard, mouse, and home made antenna up on the roof. Better get going! |
| [06:37:10] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, they're doing a splendid job of moderating our future supplies of silly things like oxygen and drinking water |
| [06:37:43] | CCFL_Man3: | Tanthrix: a lot of stations transmit at 10 to 20% of their analog eirp, most of the time, in fring areas, you can barely hold a signal |
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| [06:38:01] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: luckily I have a bulk box of coax and am currently testing in the garage |
| [06:38:10] | Tanthrix: | CCFL_Man2: I must have gotten lucky then. |
| [06:38:14] | sn9: | Anduin: if the card is pchdtv, it likely isn't the card |
| [06:38:48] | CCFL_Man2: | Tanthrix: you have |
| [06:39:14] | hachi: | I am happy to see that not a single word has been said on #ivtv-dev in.... 48 hours |
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| [06:39:44] | CCFL_Man2: | Tanthrix: in big areas it's not a problem, and possibly the stations have licenses for higher power |
| [06:39:52] | hachi: | /win 49 |
| [06:40:06] | Tanthrix: | CCFL_Man2: I'm in Portland, OR, so yeah. |
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| [06:40:22] | Anduin: | sn9: A180 |
| [06:40:44] | CCFL_Man2: | Tanthrix: ahh |
| [06:41:10] | sn9: | what brand is that? |
| [06:41:15] | Tanthrix: | Avermedia. |
| [06:41:19] | sn9: | oh |
| [06:43:15] | CCFL_Man2: | so who here actually likes wonders media center? :P |
| [06:43:20] | CCFL_Man2: | winders |
| [06:43:48] | sn9: | it's good for running linux |
| [06:46:04] | CCFL_Man2: | sn9: i wish there was a way to use it's guide |
| [06:46:11] | adante: | i do |
| [06:46:17] | sn9: | CCFL_Man2: why? |
| [06:46:29] | CCFL_Man2: | sn9: just to screw m$ |
| [06:46:41] | CCFL_Man2: | adante: why do you like it? |
| [06:46:43] | sn9: | how would that screw m$? |
| [06:46:57] | adante: | CCFL_Man2: nice interface |
| [06:47:03] | CCFL_Man2: | honestly i'm not really sure |
| [06:48:11] | CCFL_Man2: | adante: i want to somehow get an extender netbooting linux and run a frontend |
| [06:48:20] | jhulst: | I'm going to be burning some avi's to a disk for archival, any recommendations on which format to use, biggest thing being file size? |
| [06:48:34] | adante: | CCFL_Man2: haven't actually used the pvr functionality of media center, but it certainly has a nice interfacing for browsing file-based media (compared to say, mythtv) |
| [06:48:51] | tcpsyn: | cant you just flag them and skip them |
| [06:49:07] | Tanthrix: | jhulst: Just don't do DVD-R. I did that for about 60 hours of home movies, only to learn shortly after that DVD+R is more robust in the long term |
| [06:49:27] | CCFL_Man2: | adante: the preview, id3 tag, etc functions you mean? |
| [06:49:50] | adante: | CCFL_Man2: no all i realy mean is the browse and play files :] |
| [06:49:50] | sn9: | Tanthrix: i have drives that will read -r but not +r |
| [06:50:12] | CCFL_Man2: | adante: hmm.. interesting |
| [06:50:41] | Tanthrix: | sn9: I said more robust, not more compatible. (That's why I did -R, but I'd take reliability over slightly reduced compatibility anyday, especially considering only piece of junk older drives don't work with it) |
| [06:52:19] | sn9: | for archival, it would be better to have something that won't chemically degrade so quickly |
| [06:52:40] | Tanthrix: | Like what? Stone tablets? |
| [06:53:06] | ** jhulst hands Tanthrix a chisel and lots of ones and zero's ** | |
| [06:53:12] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [06:53:30] | sn9: | heh, stone tablets make great silicon chips... |
| [06:53:41] | Tanthrix: | sn9: http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/10/30/ . . . chival-media |
| [06:53:55] | Tanthrix: | DVD+R is the way to go, I'd say. |
| [06:54:31] | jhulst: | Right now I'm more worried about file format, I'd like something small, I may end up keeping them on the hard drive anyways |
| [06:55:03] | Tanthrix: | jhulst: For video, I think the best bet for archival is the dvd format. It's definately more wide spread than any other digital format. |
| [06:55:28] | sn9: | jhulst: you mean for transcoding? |
| [06:55:34] | jhulst: | sn9: correct |
| [06:55:51] | Tanthrix: | jhulst: For all my home movies I captured and authored dvds of them, then put ISOs of all of them on a big drive with quickpar parity, as well as burning each one to a DVD-R to be stored. |
| [06:55:52] | sn9: | hd or sd? |
| [06:56:03] | jhulst: | sd |
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| [06:56:12] | sn9: | xvid |
| [06:56:22] | Tanthrix: | I'm a big fan of keeping everything on hard drives with parity, with discs for backup. |
| [06:56:30] | opentrinity: | 'morning * |
| [06:56:39] | Tanthrix: | The only way digital will survive is if it is kept up to date, and it's easy to do that if it's all on a drive. |
| [06:56:57] | sn9: | Tanthrix: i couldn't agree more |
| [06:58:34] | blkorpheus: | ok so now all video has been squeezed to the middle of the screen? |
| [06:58:49] | blkorpheus: | the overscan does not help at all |
| [06:59:04] | blkorpheus: | I have no idea why it now does this |
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| [07:16:56] | _banyan: | I may have just fixed the mytharchive python script! All by myself, without having woken up this morning knowing bugger all about python. |
| [07:17:35] | CaptObviousman: | did you ask the bug if it was ok first? |
| [07:17:40] | CaptObviousman: | I mean, it might not like being eliminated |
| [07:19:57] | _banyan: | I respect its right to exist on unpatched systems. But then again, although we are all guaranteed the right to life, we are not guaranteed the right to live any specific length of time are we. |
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| [07:21:49] | _banyan: | Would it be cheeky of me to post a patch? |
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| [07:31:53] | iamlindoro: | It's not cheeky, just open a ticket on trac and post it there |
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| [07:36:33] | sn9: | Tanthrix: now looked at your link. hmm, and i thought mitsui > taiyo yuden |
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| [07:46:54] | blkorpheus: | today mythtv plays in a narrow vertical band on my screen |
| [07:47:04] | _banyan: | It would feel nice to finally give back. |
| [07:47:31] | blkorpheus: | why has my overscan broke for no apparent reason |
| [07:48:06] | _banyan: | video driver update? |
| [07:48:30] | blkorpheus: | nope |
| [07:48:37] | blkorpheus: | clean xorg |
| [07:48:53] | Helvasca: | I'm getting 93% signal, but no signal lock :\ |
| [07:48:55] | blkorpheus: | same xorg when the video was perfect |
| [07:49:07] | _banyan: | um, what's the patch-friendly argument to diff again? |
| [07:49:13] | blkorpheus: | hate when shit seemingly just stops wrking |
| [07:49:31] | sn9: | _banyan: -ruN |
| [07:52:06] | _banyan: | original file on left, modified on right? |
| [07:52:50] | sn9: | yes |
| [07:52:52] | Helvasca: | I keep gettin gpartial signal locks |
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| [07:58:51] | Helvasca: | lets see if doing another channel scan fixes it |
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| [08:01:51] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: Nothing, a few lock where there should be, but those are "no tables" (signal strength < 44%), I'll save higher locations for daylight, thanks for the information though. |
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| [08:03:51] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: No prob, though I don't think I was of much help. In any case, I owe you one, so if you need anything else let me know. |
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| [08:55:30] | bassboi: | mornin justinh |
| [08:59:06] | justinh: | mornin |
| [09:00:34] | sn9: | winter |
| [09:04:14] | bassboi: | how are you guys |
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| [09:07:24] | sn9: | i'm going very "now, now" with this backend-not-working silliness |
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| [09:13:32] | justinh: | I've been busy recreating test card W |
| [09:13:43] | justinh: | but now it's time to head to work. happy happy joy |
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| [10:11:46] | justinh: | quiet today. everybody's mythtv must be 100% worky :D |
| [10:11:59] | sn9: | not my backend |
| [10:13:03] | jduggan: | rather you didnt say anymore.. |
| [10:13:27] | sn9: | too late |
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| [10:54:42] | quicksilver: | my mythtv worky very welly, thanky |
| [10:54:56] | quicksilver: | and I discovered how to use mythmusic to play cds thanks to rooaus :) |
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| [11:21:05] | Internat: | this is probably an interesting question, but does mythtv support dual screens. ie so i could run the myth interface on one, but have the tv show or what not playing on the other? |
| [11:21:21] | justinh: | nope |
| [11:21:59] | Internat: | well thats unfortunate |
| [11:23:00] | directhex|bsp: | you can run myth windowed, in a big window, if you want |
| [11:23:45] | justinh: | why would you want to do something silly like have the menus etc on a different screen? |
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| [11:26:09] | justinh: | for silly use cases, see linuxmce |
| [11:26:47] | jduggan: | heh |
| [11:27:33] | justinh: | now there's an app which can have you waste.. er use a whole screen for a control surface |
| [11:27:35] | Internat: | just thinking.. i have a small laptop next to the tv as my media centre, and was just thining ti would be good to be able to navigate and look at other things like what other movies i could play or tv recordings or what not |
| [11:28:13] | justinh: | oh you mean while you're not watching the main screen? |
| [11:28:50] | Seeker`: | if you arent watching what is on the main screen, you can go back to the menu on the main screen and look there |
| [11:29:44] | directhex|bsp: | myth's frontend is implicitly single-task. you can't use the menus and play things at the same time |
| [11:29:56] | directhex|bsp: | you can't listen to music and use the web browser either |
| [11:30:02] | justinh: | I tend to find the stuff I watch holds my attention long enough that I don't feel I have to distract myself with other things |
| [11:30:08] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: oh but you can in trunk! |
| [11:30:27] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, really? just that specific example, or a general move to multi-tasking? |
| [11:30:36] | Internat: | hmms |
| [11:30:40] | justinh: | but apparently that's not enough. some people want to be able to play music AND watch TV/recordings |
| [11:31:11] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: yeah. mythmusic continues playing after you leave mythmusic screens unless you press stop before you leave |
| [11:31:29] | justinh: | and there's a nifty little miniplayer screen to tell you track info, position etc |
| [11:31:52] | justinh: | that can appear on top of other screens. I was skeptical at first but it's cool |
| [11:31:54] | Internat: | it would be nice to have things like that, or a control screen up on one and the other playing the movie, which would be kewl if u had a touch screen |
| [11:32:12] | justinh: | it would be _nice_ if people backed up suggestions with code |
| [11:32:22] | Internat: | this is true |
| [11:32:32] | Internat: | i was meerely asking if it already had that functionality :) |
| [11:32:44] | justinh: | and you've been told, several times – that it doesn't |
| [11:33:18] | Internat: | indeed, although as u just said some of it is in the trunk at the moment.. |
| [11:33:45] | justinh: | playing music in the background, not some daft 'interface on one screen, video on another' malarkey |
| [11:34:16] | justinh: | see, the whole thing about getting new features in is convincing somebody that it's a good idea, or doing it yourself :) |
| [11:34:55] | justinh: | we can all 'it'd be cool if.. ' all day long but nothing will happen |
| [11:35:34] | Internat: | and i have no problem understanding or accepting that. My housemate was playing with some myth module type stuff the other week so i might see what he got up to in the end and look at that. See what i can contribute back etc. I can code when i need to, obvioulsy its a lot harder to jump into a project midway. :) |
| [11:36:40] | justinh: | I personally can't see your idea being accepted with open arms, not with the vast majority of users basing their systems around one screen – so whatever you do would have to keep that functionality by default |
| [11:37:27] | justinh: | and from what I know of the code it's either going to be very easy to do, or will involve a complete rewrite of the player |
| [11:37:47] | Internat: | lol. Sounds optimistic. |
| [11:37:54] | justinh: | I suspect it'll be more of the latter |
| [11:39:10] | justinh: | as far as I know, everything is a child to the parent window, which can only be drawn on one screen |
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| [11:39:56] | justinh: | getting around that would be quite tricky indeed and might even be why it's not already done like that |
| [11:40:04] | Internat: | yeah i had noticed that from what ive seen when ive played arround. Obviously it makes sense for that to be the way when there is a single screen running, as theres no real point in navigating arround that. |
| [11:40:46] | Internat: | well i dont think it should be tricky, i mean once mplayer or vlc or whatever is launched it could be spawned off and controlled via the telnet interface or some other means. |
| [11:40:59] | Internat: | which means there is no reason that the interface needs to stay locked |
| [11:41:23] | Internat: | I would assume the interface just waits for mplayer to return |
| [11:43:40] | mzb_d800: | I've been using lossless transcoding to cut out unwanted bits of recorded shows ... is there a way of telling just from a mysql query if a particular file has been transcoded (without commflagging it first) ??? |
| [11:47:35] | justinh: | Internat: oh so you'd be talking about doing away with the internal player. unpopular |
| [11:47:59] | Internat: | err isnt the internal player mplayer? |
| [11:48:00] | justinh: | contrary to a commonly held belief, mythtv doesn't use mplayer to play TV & recordings |
| [11:48:21] | Internat: | oh..hmms |
| [11:48:36] | Internat: | it does use mplayer for movies and what not though (myth-video) |
| [11:48:40] | justinh: | I dunno where on Earth that myth comes from |
| [11:48:49] | justinh: | Internat: not in trunk. the default is now Internal |
| [11:48:55] | Internat: | oh really.. |
| [11:48:58] | Internat: | thats.. interesting |
| [11:48:59] | justinh: | RLY |
| [11:49:07] | directhex|bsp: | NO WAI! |
| [11:49:08] | Internat: | and by interesting i mean painful |
| [11:49:22] | justinh: | painful? it can handle everything ffmpeg supports |
| [11:49:57] | justinh: | currently has some issues with mkv but that's being worked on |
| [11:50:08] | directhex|bsp: | and no embedded subtitle support |
| [11:50:11] | Internat: | im sure it can. I meant painful in terms of making it spawn stay active, accept commands being sent to it via pipe or what not, but people being able to use the menus at the same time :) |
| [11:50:32] | justinh: | Internat: see, it's a much bigger job than you imagined |
| [11:50:50] | justinh: | there's absolutely nothing to stop you spawning a new mythfrontend on a different display though |
| [11:51:06] | Internat: | indeed. When i imagined it, it was still using my fantasy of mplayer :) which would have been a bit easier |
| [11:51:18] | justinh: | if kludgy & hackish |
| [11:51:21] | Internat: | i know, just a bit more work. Something i shall look into. Have to setup my dev vm again |
| [11:52:06] | bassboi: | lol? |
| [11:52:40] | Internat: | ? |
| [11:54:47] | blackest: | internat you know myth supports subtitles in its recordings |
| [11:55:26] | justinh: | blackest: you mean directhex|bsp – and he was talking about myth's internal player not supporting subtitles embedded in mkv |
| [11:55:29] | Internat: | ok. im not sure what relevance that has to what we were talking about, but ok |
| [11:55:37] | directhex|bsp: | or ogm |
| [11:55:53] | directhex|bsp: | or anything other than dvb or dvd, really |
| [11:56:10] | justinh: | always find it funny how open source video codecs are always the slowest to be adopted :P |
| [11:56:18] | directhex|bsp: | at least it doesn't segfault when it finds them anymore |
| [11:56:27] | blackest: | ah ok sorry i got confused i'll shut up |
| [11:56:30] | justinh: | are there tickets for these btw? |
| [11:58:07] | mzb_d800: | the reason I asked my strange question above is because I want to write a cron job that tells me when I've got (at least) enough episodes of a certian programme to archive to dvd (for eg.) |
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| [11:58:41] | justinh: | mzb_d800: dunno. I know there's a 'processing' column in the recorded table |
| [11:59:00] | justinh: | the answer would lie in the recorded table methinks |
| [11:59:12] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, i think so. i could fight with trac to check. the "segfaults on ogm subtitles" ticket was closed |
| [11:59:31] | mzb_d800: | doh ... "transcoded" |
| [11:59:36] | mzb_d800: | (going blind again) |
| [12:00:40] | justinh: | hypothetical question: if a company offerred a free trip to the US to attend a meeting, would you bother with an 8+ hour flight each way (plus customs hassle) ? |
| [12:01:23] | rooaus: | Internat: Your menus on another display problem can work with myth if you are prepared to do a bit of work. You could use the telnet control interface and design your own "control app". |
| [12:01:40] | rooaus: | justinh: Not unless I had the return ticket in my hand :) |
| [12:02:21] | justinh: | I don't think I'm likely to be swayed. long way to go for a meeting, environmental concerns aside |
| [12:02:40] | blackest: | how long would you get in the us |
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| [12:02:57] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, i'm persona non grata anyway, so not an issue for me \o/ |
| [12:03:21] | justinh: | this isn't work related |
| [12:03:22] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, generally, i'd not bother for just a meeting. maybe if there was cake and rides, but not just a meeting |
| [12:04:07] | justinh: | yeah I'm not that big of a fan of flying and don't relish the prospect of being 'processed' on arrival |
| [12:04:24] | directhex|bsp: | the processing is less pleasant than cuba |
| [12:04:47] | directhex|bsp: | and in cuba you're called into a single-person enclosed white booth for interview |
| [12:04:52] | blackest: | if you could make it a minibreak say fly out thursday back sun or monday it'd be ok |
| [12:05:26] | justinh: | all this is moot anyway since I couldn't get time off from my day job now |
| [12:06:21] | blackest: | have you asked ? |
| [12:07:00] | justinh: | aye |
| [12:07:18] | justinh: | conflicts with another tech's trip to Amsterdam |
| [12:08:43] | blackest: | could you attend via web cam ? |
| [12:09:10] | justinh: | cam? A/S/L? |
| [12:09:32] | Internat: | rooaus: theres a telnet interface? |
| [12:09:42] | justinh: | Internat: yeah there's a telnet interface |
| [12:10:08] | Internat: | hmms.. guess im going to have to find the dev doco and go nuts |
| [12:10:17] | blackest: | ok ascii webcam output :) |
| [12:10:19] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Telnet_socket |
| [12:11:20] | Internat: | hey thats perdy |
| [12:11:26] | Internat: | that could work as well |
| [12:11:39] | rooaus: | I think it could be used to do what you want and if you found deficiencies with it you could extend the interface. |
| [12:12:09] | Internat: | cause i dont mind really if the remote interface is part of the same box. Obviously a split screen approach saves the need for 2 computers, but im happy to look at a tlenet interface instead.. |
| [12:12:53] | justinh: | mythweb is just about a web based frontend. that has remote control features too in trunk AFAIK |
| [12:13:09] | Internat: | guess i have some ideas to play with :) |
| [12:13:17] | rooaus: | you could do it in php, mythweb in trunk has... what justinh just said :) |
| [12:13:33] | quicksilver: | Internat: of your could use mythweb |
| [12:13:39] | quicksilver: | Internat: sorry, just caught up on 40 mins of backlog :) |
| [12:13:57] | quicksilver: | mythweb seems like the closest match for what you're after |
| [12:14:06] | quicksilver: | other than just "run a second frontend on the laptop" |
| [12:14:22] | Internat: | i have played with it a bit, although i never really looked at the mythvideo side of mythweb, which is kinda where im going with this |
| [12:14:55] | quicksilver: | the most common thing is to suddenly remember about something you want to record, and schedule a recording on laptop with disturbing SO who is watching something on TV. |
| [12:15:06] | quicksilver: | mythweb and the telnet interface can both do that. |
| [12:15:24] | opentrinity: | question: 120 min of recorded program how space normally occupy |
| [12:15:46] | justinh: | opentrinity: totally depends on the recording source |
| [12:15:53] | directhex|bsp: | opentrinity, depends on type of tuner, and sometimes the channel |
| [12:16:02] | opentrinity: | digital |
| [12:16:05] | quicksilver: | opentrinity: DVB-T might be around 0.8GB/hour |
| [12:16:12] | quicksilver: | but it can be more. |
| [12:16:13] | directhex|bsp: | quicksilver, 2 |
| [12:16:16] | justinh: | opentrinity: DVB-T might be 2GB per hour |
| [12:16:19] | quicksilver: | ;) |
| [12:16:36] | opentrinity: | ah ok i have the same justinh |
| [12:16:45] | directhex|bsp: | certaily for the bbc, which are the only channels worth watching |
| [12:17:01] | justinh: | seen as high as 2.5GB per hour too |
| [12:17:06] | opentrinity: | ...but i read wiki and i don't yet understand what means the transcoding in mythtv |
| [12:17:26] | directhex|bsp: | channel 5 takes up as much space as old realmedia south park episodes. and it shows |
| [12:17:26] | justinh: | transcoding is the act of turning one format into another |
| [12:17:58] | opentrinity: | is automatic?...if i want to trasform mpg into divx i can use mythtv? |
| [12:18:02] | justinh: | no |
| [12:18:24] | directhex|bsp: | you CAN use myth, but it requires config |
| [12:18:31] | opentrinity: | ok.... i know kino is a valid program? |
| [12:18:42] | blackest: | 1.8gb average for me an hour from dvb-t a bit over 2gb from pvr150 |
| [12:18:59] | opentrinity: | tx blackest |
| [12:19:28] | opentrinity: | sorry for my english for valid i mean good... |
| [12:19:36] | justinh: | blackest: depends on what bitrate you set the pvr150 recording profiles to |
| [12:20:13] | justinh: | opentrinity: transcoding from mpeg2 to divx with mythtv is possible but only if you use an external script set up as a user job. see the mythtv wiki about that |
| [12:20:33] | opentrinity: | ok tx justinh |
| [12:20:43] | opentrinity: | and directhex|bsp ;-) |
| [12:20:49] | directhex|bsp: | "divx" |
| [12:21:51] | justinh: | fwiw divx is dead |
| [12:22:06] | blackest: | i've done the transcoding to divX and i found some recordings have the audio at half speed everyone sounds like frank bruno so dont delete your sources till you know its done it right |
| [12:22:44] | blackest: | something else i need to look at :( |
| [12:22:51] | justinh: | file squirrels of the world unite! |
| [12:23:12] | justinh: | if a show's worth keeping, it wasn't on ITV, C4 or Five :) |
| [12:23:49] | directhex|bsp: | if a show's worth keeping, you're violating the time shifting provisions of the copyright, designs & patents act! |
| [12:23:55] | justinh: | true |
| [12:23:56] | blackest: | you just hate adverts :) |
| [12:23:57] | jduggan: | did anyone watch louis theroux last night on bbc2 |
| [12:24:02] | justinh: | aye |
| [12:24:06] | jduggan: | good eh |
| [12:24:15] | justinh: | now that's what I call prison! |
| [12:24:17] | directhex|bsp: | jduggan, what was he up to? |
| [12:24:37] | jduggan: | directhex|bsp: he was in saint quintin (spelling?) prison for 2 weeks, in california |
| [12:24:40] | jduggan: | tough prison |
| [12:24:46] | justinh: | _real_ prison |
| [12:24:49] | justinh: | 6x2 cells.. |
| [12:24:53] | jduggan: | yea |
| [12:24:56] | jduggan: | not british prisons |
| [12:24:56] | jduggan: | :P |
| [12:25:05] | justinh: | no TV, no game consoles.. |
| [12:25:06] | jduggan: | sky tv and walkmans |
| [12:25:07] | jduggan: | :\ |
| [12:25:20] | jduggan: | lol @ walkman |
| [12:25:28] | jduggan: | i bet kids these days wonder wtf walkmans are |
| [12:25:40] | jduggan: | oh, you mean ipod? |
| [12:25:41] | jduggan: | ;\ |
| [12:25:44] | blackest: | cd players these days aint they |
| [12:25:57] | justinh: | saying that I don't think their rehabilitation rates were very good. then again, they're not much cop here either |
| [12:25:59] | directhex|bsp: | theroux's the guy from michael moore's old shows, yah? |
| [12:26:14] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: you mean you don't know? |
| [12:26:31] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, the name rings a bell, but never actually watched him |
| [12:26:47] | justinh: | aye he was that man anyway |
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| [12:27:09] | jduggan: | i like theroux |
| [12:27:14] | justinh: | weird weekends was my fave series |
| [12:27:16] | jduggan: | he's done some interesting shows |
| [12:27:22] | blackest: | and he is really good at geting in with some batshit looneys |
| [12:27:30] | jduggan: | haha |
| [12:27:33] | justinh: | 'when Louis met...' has its moments. e.g. Jimmy Saville. Jesus |
| [12:27:38] | jduggan: | that american religious cult |
| [12:27:40] | jduggan: | crazy cult |
| [12:27:57] | blackest: | jimmy saville is weird |
| [12:28:01] | justinh: | crazy c***ts |
| [12:28:02] | jduggan: | yea |
| [12:28:35] | directhex|bsp: | jduggan, westboro baptist church? |
| [12:28:48] | justinh: | come to think about it, all the 'when louis met' were interesting in their own unique way. |
| [12:29:17] | justinh: | Paul daniels, keith harris, bruce forsyth.. all weirdos |
| [12:29:57] | blackest: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Theroux%27s_Weird_Weekends |
| [12:30:56] | blackest: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Louis_Met%E2%80%A6 |
| [12:31:24] | blackest: | theres not a lot on the last one but it should intrigue you if you get chance to see any of em |
| [12:31:27] | visit0r: | the book is quite interesting also |
| [12:31:55] | opentrinity: | transcode fails? http://pastebin.ca/854583 |
| [12:34:18] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: westboro baptists... aye. nutters |
| [12:34:19] | blackest: | have you compiled your own ffmpeg ? |
| [12:34:42] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, i think michael moore had the right approach with them |
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| [12:37:07] | opentrinity: | blackest: ? yes i install with aptitude |
| [12:37:41] | justinh: | wow there's a whole load of weekends I've yet to see! |
| [12:38:08] | ** justinh visits 'the video store' ** | |
| [12:39:42] | blackest: | opentrinity you probably need to compile ffmpeg from svn |
| [12:40:21] | blackest: | the version that ships with ubuntu has limited support for many formats |
| [12:40:41] | opentrinity: | blackest: u can help to compile from svn? |
| [12:40:48] | opentrinity: | me* |
| [12:41:00] | justinh: | the version that ships with ubuntu has no support for many formats. blame patents & stuff |
| [12:41:39] | blackest: | if you do a search on ffmpeg there are guides on ubuntu forums and a blog or two |
| [12:41:53] | opentrinity: | now i try |
| [12:42:36] | justinh: | so nobody missed the last 10 mins of Louis cos of the stupid DARTS ? ;) |
| [12:43:08] | justinh: | luckily I didn't leave it too late & noticed the late start |
| [12:43:10] | blackest: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=346778 |
| [12:43:26] | blackest: | i think thats the guide i followed |
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| [12:44:21] | opentrinity: | http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Installing_svn_ff . . . based_distro i find this that is good |
| [12:45:14] | blackest: | ok my link is a howto autotranscode mythtv recordings |
| [12:45:47] | justinh: | duh. why oh why oh why can't people put stuff in the proper place?! |
| [12:45:57] | justinh: | forums are not places to put useful information |
| [12:47:04] | directhex|bsp: | any distro-related guide using the word "make" is inherently broken and should not be followed |
| [12:48:02] | blackest: | true but a guide starts off with how do i do this someone answers it doesnt work theres a bit of discussion and finally the problem is solved then ideally it becomes a howto |
| [12:48:37] | justinh: | no a guide doesn't say "how I did...". or "how you.. ". It'd be "this is how to do xyz" |
| [12:49:08] | justinh: | how one man & his cat turned the water yellow, my story in 10 parts |
| [12:50:32] | blackest: | forum posts have a role to play. Experts skip what is obvious to them in a forum thread someone will ask where a guide might be vague |
| [12:50:57] | justinh: | forum posts are not a suitable replacement for correctly written wiki entries |
| [12:51:35] | Aval0n: | anyone know where I can find the command to tell mplayer to play a .mkv from mythtv? |
| [12:51:38] | justinh: | random blog pages splatterred all over the net, unfindable are no replacement for correctly written wiki entries |
| [12:51:48] | blackest: | true maybe think of forum posts as the essay plan and the wiki post the final product |
| [12:52:01] | justinh: | maybe don't think of forum posts at all! |
| [12:52:04] | justinh: | forums suck |
| [12:52:26] | justinh: | forums are all over the place. we need a "one place for all mythtv related information". oh wait. we've got one! it's the wiki! |
| [12:53:16] | blackest: | yes but the problem is someone needs to write the wiki article |
| [12:53:27] | justinh: | ahh yes but if I put this info in the wiki and not just on my blog/forum, I won't get ad revenue/digg comments/etc |
| [12:53:41] | justinh: | somebody has to write forum crap too |
| [12:53:44] | justinh: | it |
| [12:53:49] | justinh: | it isn't rocket science |
| [12:53:51] | bassboi: | direct everyone to IRC?! |
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| [12:54:12] | Aval0n: | can anyone please point me to where I can find the mplayer syntax for mythtv again |
| [12:54:15] | blackest: | nah try #ubuntu to see how well tha works |
| [12:54:15] | justinh: | I'm pissed off with all of this 'too good for the wiki' stuff going on. wtf is the matter with people? |
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| [12:55:01] | justinh: | I know exactly why bloggers don't contribute to the wiki. it's taking traffic away from them |
| [12:55:16] | blackest: | its not too good for the wiki thats the problem, if you have just learnt how to do something how confident are you about writing a wiki article about it |
| [12:55:50] | blackest: | me I will just coz i forget stuff |
| [12:55:52] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, and can be edited by other people |
| [12:56:02] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, because most howtos onblogs are shite |
| [12:57:13] | justinh: | I give up. no need to continue trying to motivate the unmotivatable |
| [12:57:35] | justinh: | let's just let the #1 resoruce for users rot eh |
| [12:58:00] | justinh: | leave them at the mercy of google's ability to index Unclued Jim's blog pages |
| [12:58:15] | justinh: | I know how to do stuff, I'm alright Jack |
| [12:58:20] | Aval0n: | should a p4 3.4ghz HT with 1 gig of ram be capable of playing a x264 1080p movie smoothly? |
| [12:58:26] | directhex|bsp: | Aval0n, no |
| [12:58:35] | Aval0n: | no?! |
| [12:58:41] | Aval0n: | you're kidding me |
| [12:58:51] | Aval0n: | =( |
| [12:58:56] | directhex|bsp: | Aval0n, it's an old chip, and h264 is monstrously difficult to decode |
| [12:59:15] | justinh: | depends if the x264 is AVC encoded or not |
| [12:59:35] | Seeker`: | what res is freeview broadcast at? |
| [12:59:42] | directhex|bsp: | Seeker`, varies per channel |
| [12:59:43] | justinh: | one core of my 1.83 c2d mobile chip can just about play h.264 1080p |
| [12:59:51] | justinh: | Seeker`: 720x576 maximum |
| [12:59:55] | directhex|bsp: | Seeker`, typically dvd res for bbc |
| [13:00:06] | Aval0n: | well using mythtv's internal player it chops |
| [13:00:07] | directhex|bsp: | Seeker`, about 5something by 5somethign for channel 5 |
| [13:00:10] | justinh: | 702x576 for other channels |
| [13:00:18] | Aval0n: | but I'm not conviced that's just not mythtv's internal player |
| [13:00:25] | Seeker`: | hmm |
| [13:00:26] | Aval0n: | wanted to try mplayer |
| [13:00:27] | Seeker`: | thanks |
| [13:00:32] | Aval0n: | but I can't remember the string |
| [13:00:39] | justinh: | Aval0n: so open a terminal, do mplayer "somefile.mkv" |
| [13:01:10] | Aval0n: | is there a way I can push that remotely with ssh? |
| [13:01:13] | blackest: | justin can anyone edit your user talk pages on the wiki ? |
| [13:02:05] | justinh: | blackest: no idea |
| [13:03:41] | justinh: | I suppose so since I can edit other users' talk pages |
| [13:03:42] | blackest: | just thinking when people are learning how to do various things with myth to use their user talk pages as a notebook |
| [13:04:18] | justinh: | there's no need for a 'sandbox'. plain text works fine. formatting can be added later |
| [13:04:31] | blackest: | i write crufty wikipedia pages but my own user talk page i dont think that needs to be a high standard |
| [13:04:54] | tjcarter: | Will MythTV operate my espresso machine? |
| [13:05:42] | blackest: | tjcarter possibly does it have an infra red remote |
| [13:05:51] | justinh: | I just installed mythtv & find it cannot read my mind! that sucks! |
| [13:06:18] | ** tjcarter is looking at new espresso machines ** | |
| [13:06:28] | tjcarter: | Life is too short for a bad cup of coffee. |
| [13:06:39] | tjcarter: | Considering a Gaggia machine. |
| [13:06:44] | blackest: | actually with some of the home automation devices maybe |
| [13:07:12] | blackest: | whats the standard X11 X12 or something |
| [13:07:32] | justinh: | X10 |
| [13:07:47] | tjcarter: | X10 is pretty lousy |
| [13:07:51] | opentrinity: | for good coffe everybody come in italy ;-) |
| [13:07:56] | justinh: | it's very lousy, is X10 |
| [13:08:09] | justinh: | but then bless it, it's only 10 baud or whatever |
| [13:08:17] | blackest: | that sounds like dodgy coffee i'll have mine black ;) |
| [13:08:38] | tjcarter: | opentrinity: the problem is that the average American will order "latte" and get hot milk ;) |
| [13:09:31] | blackest: | if you could get a usb or serial operated relay board you could automate your coffee |
| [13:09:40] | opentrinity: | tjcarter: i don't understand ....latte IS (hot) milk |
| [13:09:43] | tjcarter: | And if they use the word Starbucks, any reputable coffee shop would expel them for using such foul language ;) |
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| [13:10:02] | directhex|bsp: | tjcarter, wake me when someone can explain why "tall" is "small" in starbucksese |
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| [13:10:24] | tjcarter: | opentrinity: In the US, "latte" generally refers to something like cafe au lait, with perhaps a bit of milk foam on top. |
| [13:10:53] | justinh: | wake me when Starbucks sell _coffee_ ffs |
| [13:11:01] | blackest: | costabomb coffee comes in pretty large sizes a medium is about a starbucks large |
| [13:11:02] | tjcarter: | Not a bad thing to drink, but if that's what you want, that's what you need to order =) |
| [13:11:18] | opentrinity: | in Italy coffe and lait is coffe and lait ...or more simply "macchiato" |
| [13:11:21] | jduggan: | lol @ costabomb |
| [13:11:48] | justinh: | and don't keep making me use foreign words you fascist bastards |
| [13:12:02] | justinh: | medium coffee with milk please |
| [13:12:16] | blackest: | in a mug |
| [13:12:23] | ** justinh goes back to reading The Daily Mail ** | |
| [13:12:24] | tjcarter: | opentrinity: macchiato here means two different things depending on whether you're at Starbucks or not. |
| [13:13:00] | tjcarter: | Basically, Starbucks takes names that vaguely resemble what the thing is called and slaps them on whatever they want to. |
| [13:14:03] | tjcarter: | I don't care for macchiato--I tend to order things in about a 20oz size, so macchiato is mostly air. |
| [13:15:14] | tjcarter: | Generally I heat milk in microwave and add 2–3 shots of espresso, and call it good. |
| [13:15:22] | tjcarter: | My machine's steam wand is puny. =/ |
| [13:15:23] | justinh: | the other thing is they never frickin explain what all the things are. you're sposed to know and they're always so damn busy you feel bad about asking for an explanation |
| [13:15:34] | justinh: | fascists |
| [13:15:43] | tjcarter: | justinh: you can do far better than Starbucks, truly. |
| [13:16:12] | blackest: | it wouldnt be too bad if starbucks in the uk had wifi |
| [13:16:17] | tjcarter: | Find yourself a good coffee shop run by someone who knows how tamp a portafilter properly... |
| [13:16:20] | justinh: | we have Starbucks or Costa here. oh and in some places a wanky outlet called the Rainforest Cafe or something |
| [13:16:44] | tjcarter: | Starbucks uses a machine that grinds, tamps, etc. It's like using those espresso pods, and it's just about as lackluster. |
| [13:16:52] | blackest: | the only place with free wifi i know off is mcdonalds |
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| [13:17:09] | blackest: | the coffee is bad too |
| [13:17:12] | justinh: | give em their dues it's way better than 'coffah' sold in the local 'kaff' |
| [13:17:58] | directhex|bsp: | blackest, i know a few pubs with free wifi |
| [13:18:01] | blackest: | true too many places think you can get a couple of brews out of a filter |
| [13:18:09] | tjcarter: | justinh: my first pull with a new machine and a new grinder was better than anything you'd ever get at Starbucks, and it was lousy IMO |
| [13:18:12] | directhex|bsp: | blackest, sometimes all you need to do is ask for the wep/wpa key |
| [13:18:41] | blackest: | nah they go for t-zones or some such cr.. |
| [13:18:42] | tjcarter: | when you change machine and grinder, you basically have to learn to make espresso all over again. |
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| [13:19:19] | tjcarter: | Granted, it only takes about three tries for someone skilled to get it right (no thanks to the "extra crema" portafilters that are so popular on machines now) |
| [13:19:24] | justinh: | anyway meanwhile in #mythtv-users |
| [13:19:41] | justinh: | is there anything worse than a mac fanboy? coffee bores? :) |
| [13:19:57] | directhex|bsp: | americans! |
| [13:19:59] | directhex|bsp: | ;) |
| [13:20:17] | tjcarter: | They make your espressof foamy so that it LOOKS like you pulled a good shot when you actually made something worthy of Starbucks ;) |
| [13:20:45] | blackest: | I saw some amazin lookin mac users at heathrow the other week, you new they had macs before you saw the laptop |
| [13:21:01] | justinh: | blackest: their glasses give them away? ;) |
| [13:21:15] | blackest: | calvin kliene skinny polonecks and sun glasses |
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| [13:21:31] | justinh: | less mac fanboy, more Jobs clone then |
| [13:21:36] | blackest: | oh i forgot the dodgy hats |
| [13:22:07] | blackest: | everything screamed i am artistic |
| [13:22:31] | justinh: | artism is a horrible affliction |
| [13:23:00] | blackest: | yeah i worked in a posh shop in ireland the window dressers had it bad |
| [13:23:51] | blackest: | the lasses on the makeup counters they looked like china dolls pretty girls but hidden by tonnes of makeup |
| [13:24:00] | directhex|bsp: | the ipod is the only mp3 player that people try to mkae as obvious as possible, rather than just shoving in a pocket |
| [13:24:06] | justinh: | I've been thinking about going for some really poncy thick framed glasses for my next set but now every c. has them |
| [13:25:02] | tjcarter: | I think having a mac is a symptom of artism rather than the other way around |
| [13:25:26] | blackest: | um i need new glasses mine date back to the mid 90's |
| [13:25:37] | blackest: | i dont wear them much thou |
| [13:26:23] | justinh: | tjcarter: now now. nothing wrong with macs. there's still no PC equivalent to the mac mini |
| [13:26:28] | justinh: | or the imac |
| [13:26:39] | justinh: | it's big box or bust |
| [13:26:55] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, aopen minipc! |
| [13:27:11] | justinh: | bigger box, more noise, more expensive. yay |
| [13:27:22] | justinh: | oh and ugly too |
| [13:27:49] | directhex|bsp: | and the wife has a new pc. it's a shuttle. yeah, it's big, but the spec is terrifying, and it eats my pc spread thinly on toast |
| [13:28:08] | justinh: | quiet too? |
| [13:28:24] | directhex|bsp: | http://eu.shuttle.com/en/DesktopDefault.aspx/ . . . _read-14399/ |
| [13:28:30] | justinh: | considered a shittle a while ago but they all seem to have those fugly ports on the front |
| [13:28:54] | directhex|bsp: | it's actually pretty damn quiet, until the nvidia driver decides "zomg, it's hot in 'ere". at which point it sounds like a hairdryer for a few minutes |
| [13:29:18] | tjcarter: | justinh: I love my iMac |
| [13:29:28] | tjcarter: | justinh: it's the best workstation I've ever had |
| [13:29:52] | justinh: | why do they always have to ruin a great looking case with front audio ports? |
| [13:29:57] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, g5, g6 and p2 shuttle cases have no exposed front ports |
| [13:30:08] | tjcarter: | At least, it was as soon as I tossed the mouse and got something sane. |
| [13:30:14] | justinh: | oh ickle flaps instead? |
| [13:30:19] | justinh: | what's so wrong with the side? |
| [13:30:19] | directhex|bsp: | p2: http://eu.shuttle.com/en/DesktopDefault.aspx/ . . . _read-14323/ |
| [13:30:32] | directhex|bsp: | g5: http://eu.shuttle.com/en/DesktopDefault.aspx/ . . . _read-14289/ |
| [13:30:40] | directhex|bsp: | g6: http://eu.shuttle.com/en/DesktopDefault.aspx/ . . . _read-14286/ |
| [13:30:53] | tjcarter: | I do love that the iMac is the first LCD I've had that I can clean with windex ;) |
| [13:31:20] | directhex|bsp: | tjcarter, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . IMG_0120.JPG |
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| [13:32:49] | justinh: | ugh somebody coughed up something on the monitor |
| [13:33:01] | justinh: | it's all brown & horrible |
| [13:33:34] | directhex|bsp: | it's an old photo! |
| [13:33:43] | directhex|bsp: | haven't been in that office for years! |
| [13:34:05] | directhex|bsp: | anyway, there's some non-front-audio shuttles |
| [13:34:23] | justinh: | bout time :) |
| [13:34:28] | justinh: | like the silver g5 |
| [13:34:38] | directhex|bsp: | http://eu.shuttle.com/en/desktopdefault.aspx/ . . . _read-14213/ has a silly lcd and ir sensor |
| [13:34:45] | justinh: | oof! look at the price though! ffs |
| [13:35:32] | tjcarter: | directhex: I have a new crunchy 24" iMac with the plexi shield over the LCD |
| [13:35:53] | tjcarter: | directhex: That machine is very nice for a 20" because it uses a Philips LM201W01. |
| [13:36:14] | directhex|bsp: | tjcarter, those photos are of the 24" |
| [13:36:17] | tjcarter: | I have such a machine with a damaged LCD. I have a spare LCD, but haven't had time and workspace to replace it. |
| [13:36:21] | justinh: | hmm not bad actually. £123 for the SD11G5 |
| [13:36:28] | tjcarter: | Er, looks like a 20" to me =) |
| [13:36:40] | tjcarter: | you are right though, it is 24" |
| [13:36:47] | ** tjcarter measures by keyboard ** | |
| [13:37:10] | tjcarter: | The new crunchy 20" iMac uses a Philips LM201W03 which is not nearly as nice |
| [13:37:24] | directhex|bsp: | and ati graphics |
| [13:37:44] | tjcarter: | Presently I use the new iMac's chicklet keyboard and a Razer Krait |
| [13:38:02] | tjcarter: | I don't need 7 buttons, and the Krait is cheaper than the Pro Mouse. |
| [13:38:16] | tjcarter: | (Plus Razer's Mac driver is so crappy that it's not worth it..) |
| [13:38:20] | directhex|bsp: | jms@osc-bigmac:~$ grep "Virtual screen size" /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| [13:38:21] | directhex|bsp: | (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1920 x 1200 |
| [13:38:23] | directhex|bsp: | 24" |
| [13:38:36] | tjcarter: | Krait's just a Diamondback with standard 2 button + wheel |
| [13:38:59] | directhex|bsp: | i still wish my pc was as meaty as the wife's |
| [13:39:05] | directhex|bsp: | 3.5x faster in 3dmark! |
| [13:39:24] | tjcarter: | what's with the Microsoft Unnatural? |
| [13:40:30] | justinh: | "the first natural born typist will have unevenly spaced fingers..." |
| [13:41:21] | directhex|bsp: | tjcarter, i did myself some wrist damage typing 10k lines of code on a small laptop. the natural was infinitely nicer |
| [13:43:10] | Huijari: | i've never had any injuries caused by a computer |
| [13:43:59] | directhex|bsp: | Huijari, thousands have died in blogging accidents! |
| [13:44:14] | justinh: | millions more need to |
| [13:44:15] | Huijari: | yeah, fortunately i don't blog! |
| [13:45:40] | directhex|bsp: | i'd love a natural at home, but they're very big and i lack desk space |
| [13:45:40] | justinh: | "oh but you've got to blog. how will anybody (including you) know who you are?!" |
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| [13:46:58] | justinh: | "if somebody doesn't know what you think about some inane subject, how will they get through their day?" |
| [13:47:00] | Huijari: | i love typing with my ThinkPad X40's keyboard |
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| [13:48:27] | Huijari: | but i've got to admit, my flatmate has a natural, and it feels pretty damn good |
| [13:48:27] | opentrinity: | A work in progress manual for nuvexport can be found at http://www.inaudible.co.uk/nuvexport ---> reported in mythtv wiki is wrong |
| [13:48:31] | directhex|bsp: | i love the tactile response of a laptop-style keyboard for gaming, but the natural really did wonders for my rsi |
| [13:48:59] | directhex|bsp: | so fix the wiki. it's a wiki. you can edit it |
| [13:49:12] | justinh: | you can edit the wiki. if you can be bothered. why bother? |
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| [13:50:24] | opentrinity: | directhex|bsp: if i found the correct url i correct it |
| [13:50:44] | tjcarter: | directhex: I stopped typing the normal way =) |
| [13:50:47] | justinh: | surely it's better to put the whole thing in the wiki rather than just link to it |
| [13:50:56] | justinh: | links can go down as well as up |
| [13:51:09] | tjcarter: | Home row is for sissies. I type about 50–80 wpm (depending on keyboard) and my hands just kinda float.. |
| [13:51:25] | justinh: | maybe we should just rip it up & start again |
| [13:51:36] | tjcarter: | opentrinity: I'm still looking at espresso machines ;) |
| [13:52:25] | opentrinity: | i thing gaggia is the best ..but is expensive...saeco have low price |
| [13:52:33] | justinh: | will getting a faster wpm count make my genitalia bigger? |
| [13:52:56] | blackest: | only if your writing good porn |
| [13:53:33] | directhex|bsp: | there's only one way to learn to type |
| [13:53:37] | justinh: | just asking – if it won't, then what's the point? |
| [13:53:46] | tjcarter: | opentrinity: consequently, I'm looking at two or three Gaggias ;) |
| [13:53:55] | directhex|bsp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Typing_of_the_Dead |
| [13:54:00] | justinh: | I don't see many "Increase your WPM!" scam emails going round |
| [13:54:49] | tjcarter: | opentrinity: 16100, 97001, and 14101 |
| [13:55:25] | blackest: | directhex just one question how do you type on a play station |
| [13:55:32] | tjcarter: | Evolution, De Luxe, and Classic--though for the cost of the Classic, I should consider the Baby instead |
| [13:56:07] | tjcarter: | Baby is substantially cheaper. |
| [13:56:23] | opentrinity: | ;-) |
| [13:56:30] | ** justinh chooses dvorak just be be effing awkward ** | |
| [13:57:06] | tjcarter: | opentrinity: use any of those? |
| [13:57:17] | tjcarter: | opentrinity: they're all fine machines, I'm told. |
| [13:57:38] | directhex|bsp: | blackest, with a keyboard, generally |
| [13:57:53] | blackest: | http://steampunkworkshop.com/keyboard.shtml |
| [13:57:57] | opentrinity: | ...they are all fine! ...but i use moka |
| [13:58:16] | blackest: | these keyboards look great but the price is insane |
| [13:58:41] | tjcarter: | I'm told the Evolution's a little weak in the steam wand |
| [13:58:41] | directhex|bsp: | blackest, you'd be needing usb for ps2/ps3 use |
| [13:58:51] | directhex|bsp: | blackest, the dreamcast needs a dreamcast keyboard |
| [13:59:44] | blackest: | the concept of the game is good less boring than normal typing drills |
| [14:00:02] | tjcarter: | I'm not 100% sure it's worth the difference though, the 16100 is about $150 cheaper |
| [14:00:15] | justinh: | there are similar games on that stupid flash game site.. (which one? there are millions) |
| [14:00:37] | justinh: | popcap.com |
| [14:02:15] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, some games are better than others |
| [14:03:06] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, sometimes there are orders of magnitude. sometimes, deep-space telescopes can't come close to fathoming the scale of difference between titles. |
| [14:03:21] | blackest: | http://www.novelgames.com/flashgames/game.php?id=32 |
| [14:03:57] | justinh: | I might've meant 'stupid flash' not 'stupid game written in flash' |
| [14:04:00] | justinh: | ;) |
| [14:04:28] | directhex|bsp: | typing of the dead is fun, not least because there are double take moments at some of the things it asks you to type |
| [14:05:01] | bassboi: | fuck samba >:( |
| [14:05:06] | bassboi: | and cups. |
| [14:05:10] | justinh: | being able to type faster than I can think – I can't see that as an advantage somwhow |
| [14:05:27] | blackest: | cups is ok i got my lazer working last week on my net with cups |
| [14:05:51] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, i do that on a daily basis. due to too much booze as an undergrad |
| [14:05:53] | blackest: | bassboi i bet you run ubuntu |
| [14:06:28] | justinh: | I bet he drinks Carling Black Label |
| [14:06:28] | directhex|bsp: | blackest, most people do. it's the most popular distro out there. large population -> large absolute number of problems |
| [14:06:46] | blackest: | samba is a bitch |
| [14:06:47] | bassboi: | mythbuntu |
| [14:06:54] | justinh: | nuff said |
| [14:06:55] | blackest: | same difference |
| [14:06:56] | bassboi: | tryin to get a damn print server. |
| [14:07:04] | bassboi: | access denied ! |
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| [14:07:10] | ** justinh waits for the Daviey smack ** | |
| [14:07:31] | blackest: | now i know why that is the web interface is disabled in cups in ubuntu |
| [14:07:58] | bassboi: | well, web interface works |
| [14:08:02] | blackest: | google that and you will find how to turn it on and get running with it |
| [14:08:17] | justinh: | my last experience of printing in linux wasn't good |
| [14:08:24] | blackest: | have you enabled it ? because it looks enabled but it isnt |
| [14:08:46] | directhex|bsp: | IME, if the printer is supported, it's great. autodetection & everything. easier than windows. |
| [14:08:50] | justinh: | wake me up when there are better drivers |
| [14:09:00] | Faw: | can anyone help me setting up lircd on a mac mini? |
| [14:09:00] | bassboi: | its supported by hplip |
| [14:09:05] | justinh: | IF the printer is supported. yay |
| [14:09:20] | justinh: | then again my next printer will mostly be a mono laser |
| [14:09:24] | blackest: | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2127 |
| [14:09:45] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, a terrifying task, given most printers on the shelves contain no useful circuitry, so every driver is essentially a printer in itself |
| [14:09:52] | blackest: | yeah i like my samsung less than 60 quid and it doesnt dry out if i dont print for a month |
| [14:09:56] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, samsung lasers have tux on the box! |
| [14:10:08] | justinh: | tux the penguin? I hate that bird |
| [14:10:19] | justinh: | it looks _stupid_ |
| [14:10:26] | ** Daviey smacks justinh ** | |
| [14:10:53] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, but it does imply support. |
| [14:11:01] | justinh: | lol. |
| [14:11:28] | justinh: | tivo claims to use the linux kernel. does that mean ubuntu will work with it? |
| [14:11:35] | directhex|bsp: | as does http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Samsung |
| [14:11:44] | blackest: | bassboi: try this line in your terminal: sudo ln -s ../backend-available/snmp /usr/lib/cups/backend/snmp |
| [14:12:04] | bassboi: | i'm on a windows box, can i do that with putty? |
| [14:12:05] | justinh: | there's no talking sense for me today. Just another Misantrhopic Monday |
| [14:12:06] | Daviey: | justinh: GPL-v3 was prompted by tivo AIUI |
| [14:12:26] | blackest: | i guess if you can telnet in |
| [14:12:39] | justinh: | does anybody write licence docs in non-legalese? |
| [14:12:44] | blackest: | gotta go |
| [14:13:04] | justinh: | I've never seen anybody successfully explain the difference between GPL v2 & v3 |
| [14:14:00] | Faw: | can anyone help me with lircd, please? |
| [14:14:16] | Faw: | or is there a room for lircd? |
| [14:14:30] | justinh: | just ask a damn question |
| [14:14:33] | directhex|bsp: | the mac mini ir sensor is rather limited |
| [14:15:18] | Faw: | i know the sensor is reading 'evtest /dev/input/event7' shows the events |
| [14:15:22] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: you mean the mac mini remote has only 6 buttons but the receiver micro can decode up to 255 codes and will work with lirc if you can make a suitable remote send them? |
| [14:15:35] | opentrinity: | blacktest userjob for transcode doesn't work...:-/ |
| [14:15:44] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, iirc it has some funny approach to signal repeat/ends |
| [14:15:58] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, the lirc module has to emulate the buttonup, or somesuch rubbish |
| [14:16:16] | opentrinity: | blackest: sorry... |
| [14:16:24] | justinh: | 6 button remote. sheesh who were they trying to kid? |
| [14:16:26] | Faw: | but when I use irw to test things it gives me an 'reading error' when reading the events and closes |
| [14:16:36] | justinh: | only time I've ever known them do anything half-arsed IMHO |
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| [14:17:15] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, the company behind the 1-button muose has a not-many-buttons remote? who knew? |
| [14:17:22] | Faw: | i have a pronto (which i can program for anything) but want to get something simple runn ing first |
| [14:18:25] | justinh: | just a massive shame you have to resort to an external IR receiver for a realistic amount of buttons |
| [14:19:03] | directhex|bsp: | Faw, are you testing with the real apple remote at the mo? |
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| [14:20:54] | Faw: | but when I try irw I get the following messages in syslog: |
| [14:21:56] | Faw: | 'accepted new client','initializing /dev/input/event7', error reading '/dev/input/event7' |
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| [14:32:37] | opentrinity: | in userjob1 i write : nuvexport-xvid --transcode --nice 19 --input="%FILE%" but doesn't work....if i run in a shell nuvexport-xvid --transcode --nice 19 it works but i have to press enter form some options...what is the problem? |
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| [14:47:22] | Andycasss: | was there a way to disable joystick in myth? |
| [14:47:37] | justinh: | yeah don't build it with joystick support |
| [14:47:56] | Andycasss: | i dont want to rebuild |
| [14:48:00] | Andycasss: | any other way? |
| [14:48:08] | justinh: | there's a setting for it |
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| [14:48:22] | Andycasss: | i see, exacly where? :) |
| [14:48:32] | Daviey: | unplug your joystick? |
| [14:48:42] | Andycasss: | no, i need it for other stuff |
| [14:48:50] | Daviey: | naa you don't |
| [14:49:04] | Andycasss: | yes, i really do need it ;) |
| [14:49:06] | Daviey: | you _think_ you do |
| [14:49:22] | Daviey: | <--- helpful |
| [14:50:01] | Andycasss: | Im using xf86-input-joystick to emulate keyboard with joystick |
| [14:50:22] | justinh: | so that's going to be self defeating isn't it? |
| [14:50:29] | Andycasss: | that enables autorepeat function, so i dont have to tap the buttons billions of times to scroll thru movies |
| [14:50:54] | justinh: | don't download so frigging much then |
| [14:51:15] | Andycasss: | umm, i dont :) |
| [14:51:22] | Andycasss: | I make em |
| [14:51:42] | Andycasss: | justinh, so there was a setting for it? |
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| [14:51:57] | Andycasss: | is there some kind of argument to launch it with? |
| [14:53:00] | justinh: | ahhh! there's a setting to disable arrow keys exiting screens |
| [14:53:32] | justinh: | hmm can't find a joystick setting thing |
| [14:53:41] | justinh: | so you can't override it with a runtime option |
| [14:54:14] | Andycasss: | basically, i have mounted buttons 1–6 to be KP_1, KP_2 etc... |
| [14:54:24] | justinh: | basically you have to rebuild mythfrontend |
| [14:54:43] | Andycasss: | but when using the mythvideo browser, it scrolls and fks up everything... I dont know why |
| [14:54:46] | justinh: | basically you have to rebuild mythfrontend |
| [14:54:59] | Andycasss: | I have tried disabling several keys in "edit keys" menu, but no effect |
| [14:55:10] | justinh: | why do so many people have a reading defect? |
| [14:55:25] | Andycasss: | and when i press the numpad keys on my keyboard, the phenomen doesnt happen? |
| [14:55:27] | justinh: | rebuild mythtv without joystick support |
| [14:55:39] | Andycasss: | ehhhh |
| [14:55:47] | Andycasss: | Last time it fucked my mysql tables |
| [14:56:09] | Andycasss: | well, not mine, mythtv's |
| [14:56:19] | justinh: | I'm not gonna say it again |
| [14:56:35] | justinh: | look – if you want help here – you ask. people give advice. you listen! |
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| [14:58:51] | Andycasss: | but, why is this phenomena happening? |
| [14:59:29] | justinh: | because mythtv is listening to the joystick as well as your xf86-input-joystick thing |
| [14:59:31] | Andycasss: | is there a input configuration somewhere? |
| [14:59:46] | justinh: | if you want to disable joystick input you will have to rebuild mythtv! |
| [14:59:51] | Andycasss: | Wait, hmm i remember there was somekind of joystick config file |
| [15:00:00] | Andycasss: | joystick.rc or something like that, am i correct? |
| [15:00:39] | justinh: | oh look ! http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Joystick_Control |
| [15:01:04] | justinh: | ducking wind-up merchant |
| [15:01:31] | Andycasss: | sorry, im a bit too stupid to understand these jokes :( |
| [15:01:42] | justinh: | you got something right |
| [15:02:01] | Andycasss: | i see.. |
| [15:02:26] | justinh: | I was wrong about needing to rebuild myth anyway it seems. just rename or delete the joystickmenurc file |
| [15:02:39] | Andycasss: | :) |
| [15:03:43] | justinh: | funny how the wiki had the answer. why doesn't anybody look in the wiki?! |
| [15:05:30] | bassboi: | lol |
| [15:06:41] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, because all the useful info is on blogs! |
| [15:14:24] | justinh: | might've been better to look for a way to change the joystick code to allow repeats |
| [15:16:04] | justinh: | from the source.. "For axes, we only register a change if the Joystick moves into the specified range (that way, we only get one event per joystick motion)" |
| [15:16:49] | justinh: | hack up the joystick & wire it to an arcade keyboard thingy on USB |
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| [15:20:45] | Daviey: | Talking of blogs, does anyone have one (here) with mythtv related content? |
| [15:21:18] | directhex|bsp: | not really. i mentioned myth once on my website, which is wordpress powered, but i wouldn't call it a blog |
| [15:21:20] | justinh: | here's mine Daviey http://mythtvguy.wordpress.com/ |
| [15:21:54] | Daviey: | justinh: bit plain :( |
| [15:22:15] | justinh: | very 2.0 |
| [15:22:22] | Seeker`: | Daviey: what was the site you set up again? |
| [15:22:30] | directhex|bsp: | deleting sites is so web 1.7 |
| [15:22:35] | Daviey: | oww, Seeker` in the lurk |
| [15:22:51] | ** Seeker` isn't lurking ** | |
| [15:23:01] | Daviey: | http://planetmythtv.com/ |
| [15:23:52] | justinh: | a site where everybody can digg each other senseless about 'cool' things they couldn't be bothered to document in the mythtv wiki |
| [15:25:04] | Daviey: | justinh: mind if i add a wiki page talking about "my new cool setup" |
| [15:25:21] | Daviey: | justinh – such a miserable git |
| [15:25:44] | justinh: | 2.0 – such a load of no point excitable gibberers |
| [15:25:50] | Daviey: | agreed |
| [15:26:19] | Daviey: | but aggregating blogs to one place isn't a bad idea IMO |
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| [15:26:35] | _ben: | morning |
| [15:26:37] | directhex|bsp: | i liked my mythtv article! |
| [15:26:43] | directhex|bsp: | that wasn't a blog though |
| [15:26:51] | directhex|bsp: | the difference between a blog and a site is the volume of banner ads! |
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| [15:27:29] | justinh: | anyway one man's cool is another mans 'oh ffs not another fucking XML file hack' |
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| [15:28:21] | directhex|bsp: | my article contained one instance of running cryptic commands, and that wasn't even a mythtv issue, it was a torrentflux packaging bug workaround |
| [15:28:41] | Daviey: | directhex|bsp: torrentflux package is pointles |
| [15:28:45] | Daviey: | it's crap |
| [15:29:05] | justinh: | www.eccentricthingstodowithmythtv.com anybody? ;) |
| [15:29:29] | directhex|bsp: | Daviey, what would you propose as a client to run on a server? |
| [15:29:38] | Daviey: | directhex|bsp: torrentflux, for sure! |
| [15:29:42] | Daviey: | but the package is crap |
| [15:29:54] | Daviey: | or the debian/ubuntu one at least |
| [15:30:01] | directhex|bsp: | Daviey, file a bug! |
| [15:30:12] | Daviey: | naa, gives me something to moan about |
| [15:30:46] | Daviey: | it's not a specific thing to moan about, just unreliable |
| [15:30:50] | blkorpheus: | one day myth is perfect, the next my video is now in a narrow vertical band? |
| [15:31:02] | directhex|bsp: | http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10005 – i thought that was a damn fine article, personally |
| [15:31:03] | justinh: | one day you upgraded something |
| [15:31:03] | blkorpheus: | anyone heard anything like this? |
| [15:31:06] | directhex|bsp: | blkorpheus, trunk or stable? |
| [15:31:17] | Daviey: | and list i tried, it set default password that required googling to find oout |
| [15:31:22] | blkorpheus: | stable? |
| [15:32:25] | directhex|bsp: | random sudden change in 0.20.2? |
| [15:32:53] | blkorpheus: | .20.2 |
| [15:33:00] | Daviey: | directhex|bsp: good article, shame about the GNU/ tho :) |
| [15:33:00] | blkorpheus: | yes |
| [15:33:11] | sn9: | Daviey: people have run full debian installs on their tivos before |
| [15:33:15] | blkorpheus: | Its always been perfect |
| [15:33:21] | directhex|bsp: | Daviey, i get into enough flame wars with j00oo0000rg schilling, i'd rather not provoke rms too |
| [15:33:35] | Daviey: | sn9: thats great – why are you telling me? |
| [15:33:36] | blkorpheus: | I used "3" for horozontal overscan thats all |
| [15:33:44] | Daviey: | directhex|bsp: :) |
| [15:33:55] | sn9: | Daviey: scrollback |
| [15:33:58] | blkorpheus: | now, the adjustments do not work |
| [15:34:18] | blkorpheus: | should I just nuke my backend settings? |
| [15:34:27] | directhex|bsp: | Daviey, you'd be amazed just how fine-tooth-comby zealots can get. i try to use as exact a terminology as possible |
| [15:34:36] | sn9: | [Mon 14 Jan 2008 06:08:56 AM PST] = <Daviey> justinh: GPL-v3 was prompted by tivo AIUI |
| [15:34:42] | justinh: | yeah like nuking your backend settings will make all the difference to playback, which is done by the frontend! |
| [15:35:21] | blkorpheus: | it's like the video does not want to resize anymore |
| [15:35:30] | directhex|bsp: | Daviey, http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10273 caused an unpleasant flamewar which, as best i can tell, was mostly because i forgot the word "menu" once |
| [15:35:38] | Daviey: | directhex|bsp: since a recent campaign on many UK mailing lists – i've decided to actively stop calling it GNU |
| [15:38:34] | blkorpheus: | http://pastebin.com/d37e3300d |
| [15:38:48] | blkorpheus: | my xorg, plain jane |
| [15:40:13] | sn9: | directhex|bsp: i don't get it. where was the word "menu" supposed to go in that article? |
| [15:40:14] | blkorpheus: | at least if I know this has happened to others I could hunt for a solution? |
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| [15:40:49] | directhex|bsp: | sn9, page 4, "the option to switch to the PS3's "Game OS" doesn't work properly either" |
| [15:40:57] | directhex|bsp: | sn9, should include the word "menu" |
| [15:41:32] | directhex|bsp: | apparently i'm negligent for not telling readers of a casual gaming site to use ln -s /usr/sbin/boot-game-os ~/bin/ |
| [15:41:35] | blkorpheus: | its not even 4:3 |
| [15:41:52] | opentrinity: | directhex|bsp: why my user job nuvexport-xvid --transcode --nice 19 --input="%FILE%" but when i launch in shell nuvexport --transcode works.... |
| [15:41:58] | sn9: | oh, there are more pages. didn't notice that in lynx |
| [15:42:07] | directhex|bsp: | opentrinity, no idea, i don't use nuvexport |
| [15:42:24] | opentrinity: | tx |
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| [15:45:13] | ** blkorpheus how frustrating :( ** | |
| [15:45:28] | blkorpheus: | its all setup icons and all :( |
| [15:46:32] | blkorpheus: | basically the silent treatment means I'm up a creek right? |
| [16:00:17] | blkorpheus: | is there a global setting reset? |
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| [16:07:16] | blkorpheus: | please? |
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| [16:11:54] | Kazan: | there HAS to be a way to solve this stinking problem with locking up due to glitches in HD streams |
| [16:12:05] | Kazan: | every recording I get off a certain HD channel seems to have this problem |
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| [16:14:42] | justinh: | how do I stop all these stupid questions appearing? |
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| [16:16:10] | Kazan: | *rolleyes* |
| [16:16:11] | sn9: | [Mon 14 Jan 2008 07:32:19 AM PST] = <directhex|bsp> Daviey, http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10273 caused an unpleasant flamewar which, as best i can tell, was mostly because i forgot the word "menu" once <-- seems more to be mostly because you fed a troll |
| [16:16:30] | quicksilver: | mmm tasty trolls |
| [16:17:07] | directhex|bsp: | sn9, i didn't want to leave any criticisms open |
| [16:18:40] | Kazan: | so i figured out my locking up is actually occuring in the audio part |
| [16:19:28] | Kazan: | specifically i think mythtv is performing some poor error handling in ac3 |
| [16:20:06] | iamlindoro_: | presumably myth is using liba52 to handle it, so you might see what ffmpeg has to say about it during a transcode |
| [16:20:30] | sn9: | directhex|bsp: laudable, but that troll hardly compares to joergie-burgie or rms |
| [16:20:31] | iamlindoro_: | or turn on passthrough and see if you can get further along... might be silent, but then you'd know if it was audio |
| [16:21:07] | Kazan: | iamlindoro: i'm getting an infinite loop of "Frame sync error" followed by audio buffer overrun |
| [16:21:22] | Kazan: | where do you turn passthrough on |
| [16:21:39] | iamlindoro_: | Sounds more like your machine can't keep up *or* you might want to try a different audio system ie OSS/ALSA, etc |
| [16:21:48] | iamlindoro_: | General settings in mythfrontend |
| [16:22:21] | iamlindoro_: | btw, those errors do not point to any issue with myth's handling of AC3 |
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| [16:22:48] | blkorpheus: | fixed thx |
| [16:22:57] | Kazan: | um... the error is generated by ac3dec.c from myth |
| [16:23:18] | iamlindoro_: | So? It's still not an eror in myth's handling of AC3 |
| [16:23:28] | Kazan: | it' |
| [16:23:36] | directhex|bsp: | Kazan, where does ac3dec.c come from? |
| [16:23:39] | Kazan: | it's an error in myth's handling of an error code |
| [16:24:03] | Kazan: | i just double checked |
| [16:24:14] | Kazan: | contrary to what the title at the top of the page says it's NOT a source file from myth |
| [16:24:19] | Kazan: | looking in the file. it's from ffmpeg |
| [16:24:28] | sn9: | who ever said that to err was human? seems very fit for machines... |
| [16:24:41] | directhex|bsp: | which is what iamlindoro_ said! |
| [16:25:05] | Kazan: | it did not crash this time with AC3 passthrough on |
| [16:25:14] | iamlindoro_: | yes... and again, $5 says I can play your error stream on my myth box... A lot of people fix the audio buffer underrun by changing sound systems, I believe |
| [16:25:50] | Kazan: | using alsa |
| [16:25:57] | Kazan: | with SB Live value |
| [16:25:58] | Kazan: | emu10k1 |
| [16:26:02] | iamlindoro_: | The error, from anecdotal experience, appears to be on a machine-by-machine basis, and not one of code |
| [16:27:00] | Kazan: | it's happened to me on two systems |
| [16:27:03] | Kazan: | and three sound cards |
| [16:27:15] | Kazan: | one the old athlon 2500+ – with a turtle beach and a sb live |
| [16:27:30] | Kazan: | on the new athlon 64 x2 4200+ with the mobo's onboard HD audio, and the same sb live |
| [16:27:36] | iamlindoro_: | *sigh* All right dude, good luck with it then |
| [16:27:54] | Kazan: | i'm just telling you my expirience |
| [16:27:58] | Kazan: | it's happened to me under those conditions |
| [16:28:03] | Kazan: | how they hell am i supposede to solve it |
| [16:28:07] | Kazan: | it smells of bad code to me |
| [16:28:13] | iamlindoro_: | I have to go to work anyway, where I get paid to argue with people about their problems instead of doing it for free |
| [16:28:15] | Kazan: | the file comes from google summer of code |
| [16:28:19] | Kazan: | lol :P |
| [16:28:24] | directhex|bsp: | write a bug report? |
| [16:28:51] | Kazan: | any way to use something other than ffmpeg to decode ac3? |
| [16:29:27] | iamlindoro_: | (note that he hasn't acknowledged my giving him the way other people solve the problem... twice...) |
| [16:29:50] | Kazan: | yeah |
| [16:29:53] | Kazan: | by changing sound systems |
| [16:29:56] | Kazan: | i said i'm using alsa |
| [16:29:59] | Kazan: | you didn't say anything beyond that |
| [16:30:25] | Kazan: | i forgot to mention it's happened to me both in alsa and in alsa's oss emulation |
| [16:30:35] | Kazan: | what other sound system would i try that is modern? |
| [16:31:05] | iamlindoro_: | If I said, "Most people avoid crashes by switching from Ford to Chevy," and you looked and me and smiled and said, "I drive a Ford!" How would you like me to respond? |
| [16:31:26] | iamlindoro_: | By patting you on the head and reminding you to put on your helmet before you leave the house? |
| [16:31:28] | CaptObviousman: | with incredulity and scepticism |
| [16:31:38] | Kazan: | not exactly what i said iamlindoro |
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| [16:31:49] | ** iamlindoro_ goes to work ** | |
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| [16:31:52] | Kazan: | everything i have ever seen says "use alsa!" |
| [16:32:01] | Kazan: | what the heck else is there to use |
| [16:33:33] | CaptObviousman: | that's pretty much it |
| [16:33:52] | CaptObviousman: | and for the most part it works quite well |
| [16:34:13] | Kazan: | yeah.. so how exactly am i supposed to switch sound systems like he recommended? |
| [16:34:27] | CaptObviousman: | were you not using it before? |
| [16:35:01] | Kazan: | well.. using alsa's oss emulation technically is still using alsa |
| [16:35:21] | Kazan: | i've had the problem on three sound cards, two systems, and alsa's oss emulation as well as alsa itself |
| [16:36:30] | Kazan: | and it seems every recording off a single HD channel likes to cause this problem |
| [16:36:52] | Kazan: | it will always trigger in the same spot in a recording – but where that spot in a recording varies from episode to episode |
| [16:36:55] | CaptObviousman: | you mean a particular HD channel |
| [16:37:06] | Kazan: | yes |
| [16:37:13] | CaptObviousman: | which one? |
| [16:37:15] | Kazan: | Fox HD specifically |
| [16:37:20] | sn9: | Kazan: you want to smell bad code? get a whiff of this! (must know C) http://www.seattlewireless.net/NetgearWGR614# . . . fc6d019c8bee |
| [16:37:24] | CaptObviousman: | ah, yeah that's an important one |
| [16:37:40] | ** CaptObviousman senses disaster and doesn't follow link ** | |
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| [16:38:04] | sn9: | thank you, CaptObviousman |
| [16:38:05] | Kazan: | sn9: i know C well |
| [16:39:34] | Kazan: | barf :P |
| [16:39:49] | sn9: | which version? or both? hehe |
| [16:39:49] | Kazan: | WTB: rewrite so that code doesn't take a month to figure out what it is doing |
| [16:39:53] | Kazan: | both |
| [16:40:14] | sn9: | thank you :-> |
| [16:40:16] | Kazan: | bad c code |
| [16:40:17] | Kazan: | bad |
| [16:40:39] | sn9: | i specifically intended it to be very bad when i wrote it |
| [16:40:39] | Kazan: | any way to check what the "latest version" of ffmpeg is |
| [16:40:56] | Kazan: | lol :P |
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| [16:41:09] | ** CaptObviousman eyes LAME dep ** | |
| [16:41:15] | CaptObviousman: | why does a back end need LAME |
| [16:41:40] | sn9: | CaptObviousman: default audio encoding for framegrabbers |
| [16:41:56] | GreyFoxx: | Captain_Murdoch: and transcoding |
| [16:42:07] | Kazan: | eww |
| [16:42:08] | GreyFoxx: | CaptObviousman: and transcoding |
| [16:42:13] | CaptObviousman: | so the configure script doesn't make a distinction between back end and front end, it just compiles the entire suite |
| [16:42:13] | Kazan: | ffmpeg-libs-0.4.9–0.37.20070503.lvn7 |
| [16:42:19] | Kazan: | look at livna's date on that |
| [16:42:27] | GreyFoxx: | CaptObviousman: Yes |
| [16:42:35] | CaptObviousman: | ah, now I understand |
| [16:42:51] | GreyFoxx: | You can do FE or BE only, but it's completely unsupported |
| [16:42:56] | GreyFoxx: | and meant for porting purposes only |
| [16:43:17] | CaptObviousman: | well, I installed the x11 libs and binaries. I _could_ run xfce if I wanted, but I won't ever do so |
| [16:43:29] | ** CaptObviousman changes plan, decides to compile on front end, then just copy the results over ** | |
| [16:44:11] | directhex|bsp: | Kazan, mythtv uses its own embedded ffmpeg sync |
| [16:44:16] | GreyFoxx: | what does xfce have to do with compiling ? |
| [16:44:39] | GreyFoxx: | Kazan: he's right, myth isn't affected by any ffmpeg install you have |
| [16:44:47] | Kazan: | well that's great |
| [16:44:55] | Kazan: | because i was hoping to upgrade to a newer version |
| [16:45:00] | Kazan: | and see if that fixed my problem |
| [16:45:23] | GreyFoxx: | mythtv trunk is using ffmpeg svn as of a a month or 2 ago |
| [16:45:37] | GreyFoxx: | 14800 was the last sync I believe |
| [16:47:04] | Kazan: | do you know the ffmpeg svn rev number? |
| [16:47:15] | GreyFoxx: | not offhand |
| [16:47:26] | GreyFoxx: | but if you pull up the commit log it should have it |
| [16:47:40] | Kazan: | any way to tell from looking at a svn checkout of myth? |
| [16:48:16] | GreyFoxx: | svn log -r 14800 |
| [16:49:32] | Kazan: | what seems to be happening is it hits the bad ac3 frame |
| [16:49:36] | Kazan: | and just goes into an infinite loop |
| [16:49:40] | Kazan: | stuck on that frame |
| [16:49:51] | Kazan: | good memory grey |
| [16:49:56] | Kazan: | ffmpeg sync to revision 10931 |
| [16:50:45] | Kazan: | any way for me to sync to a newer ffmpeg on my machine and see if that fixes it? |
| [16:51:14] | GreyFoxx: | not without a lot of work most likely :) |
| [16:51:27] | GreyFoxx: | but feel free to give it a shot |
| [16:51:45] | Kazan: | ac3_decode_frame returns -1 on error |
| [16:52:00] | Kazan: | do you know where that function is called? |
| [16:52:11] | Kazan: | is it called by myth or another part of ffmpeg? |
| [16:52:49] | ** Kazan hopes he remembers his grep usage correctly – grep -ir "string" ./ ** | |
| [16:52:52] | GreyFoxx: | somewhere in libs/libmythtv/ |
| [16:53:07] | GreyFoxx: | likely NupplePlayer* or avformatdecoder* |
| [16:53:16] | ** Kazan nods ** | |
| [16:53:17] | GreyFoxx: | but a grep should find it easy enough |
| [16:53:32] | GreyFoxx: | wooops multirec is sync'd back to trunk |
| [16:53:39] | Kazan: | libs/libavcodec which appears to come from ffmpeg |
| [16:53:51] | GreyFoxx: | Time for all you SVN users with DVB sources to start testing :) |
| [16:54:19] | Kazan: | ? |
| [16:54:37] | GreyFoxx: | Kazan: the multirec branch has just been merged back into trunk a few minutes ago |
| [16:54:45] | Kazan: | the function get's referenced by a functor from an avcodec struct |
| [16:54:53] | djc_: | hey |
| [16:54:53] | Kazan: | ooOOOoooo |
| [16:55:01] | Kazan: | what does multirec do again? :P |
| [16:55:04] | Kazan: | hi djc |
| [16:55:17] | djc_: | GreyFoxx, Did you still want that bit of log from IP recorder leaving empty recording? |
| [16:55:25] | GreyFoxx: | well, makes it easier on me at least, no more keeping 2 sets of patches. 1 for commits and 1 for multirec |
| [16:55:28] | GreyFoxx: | djc_: yes please |
| [16:55:36] | directhex|bsp: | GreyFoxx, multirec hit trunk? wooty! |
| [16:55:38] | GreyFoxx: | Attach it to the ticket you openned |
| [16:55:42] | djc_: | You want to grab it from URL or should I attach it... |
| [16:55:43] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: just did yeah |
| [16:56:07] | directhex|bsp: | GreyFoxx, does any other pvr app have multirec functionality? |
| [16:56:23] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: vdr |
| [16:56:30] | GreyFoxx: | other than that none that I know of |
| [16:57:39] | Kazan: | GreyFoxx.. what does it do again? :P |
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| [16:58:01] | GreyFoxx: | Kazan: Allows you to record more than 1 channel from asingle multiplex |
| [16:58:06] | iamlindoro__: | Oooh, now I can record A good channel and a weather channel at once! |
| [16:58:14] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [16:58:18] | GreyFoxx: | So if you have a DVB source, and there are several channels n the one multiplex you can record them all at once on the single card |
| [16:58:34] | GreyFoxx: | Kazan: For example on my QAM connected A180, I can reecord 8 channels at once |
| [16:58:43] | Kazan: | ! |
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| [16:58:54] | Kazan: | i have a Kworld ATSC 110 – it uses DVB drivers |
| [16:59:00] | willcooke: | Am I correct in thinking multirec has just been merged? |
| [16:59:02] | Kazan: | i have multiple digital channels via QAM |
| [16:59:05] | GreyFoxx: | willcooke: yes |
| [16:59:07] | Kazan: | willcooke: yes it was |
| [16:59:08] | willcooke: | WOOOT! |
| [16:59:17] | Kazan: | GreyFoxx: so.. i can record multiple HD shows at once with one card? |
| [16:59:23] | willcooke: | GWF to all involved |
| [16:59:30] | directhex|bsp: | Kazan, depending on the channels |
| [16:59:33] | GreyFoxx: | Kazan: in my case my cableco puts the top 8 channels on 1 multiplex, and they happen to be my top 8 |
| [16:59:43] | FinnTux: | multirec in trunk? |
| [16:59:45] | GreyFoxx: | so I'm happy |
| [16:59:51] | FinnTux: | wehee! |
| [16:59:55] | djc_: | GreyFoxx, ok, its attached in 3873 |
| [16:59:57] | GreyFoxx: | Kazan: if they broadcast more than 1 per multiplex yeah |
| [17:00:07] | willcooke: | FinnTux, Me too! yay! \o/ |
| [17:00:09] | directhex|bsp: | Kazan, the way digital works, several channels are sent in a single "multiplex" (frequency). you can capture multiple channels from the same multiplex at once, but not from different multiplexes |
| [17:00:24] | Kazan: | oh.. i gotcha GreyFoxx |
| [17:00:25] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, not having used multirec, is there a pretty good multiplex broser to visualize what is packaged together? |
| [17:00:34] | Kazan: | so i can record 6.1 and 6.2 at the same time |
| [17:00:35] | directhex|bsp: | iamlindoro__, what's your country? |
| [17:00:40] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Nope |
| [17:00:42] | Kazan: | (not that i would want to as 6.2 is useless) |
| [17:00:49] | iamlindoro__: | USA, but two of my tuners are ATSC |
| [17:00:56] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: at least I should say nothing I noticed, but I never looked either |
| [17:00:58] | Kazan: | directhex|bsp: yeah.. just forgot terminology for a minute |
| [17:01:05] | directhex|bsp: | iamlindoro__, no idea then. the 6 uk multiplex layouts are well known |
| [17:01:15] | willcooke: | iamlindoro__, could you use scan to spit out a channels.conf and then look at frequency to see what's on which mux? |
| [17:01:16] | iamlindoro__: | Most of the multiplexes stink anyway, but I think there may be a few network channels on one multiplex, that could be fun |
| [17:01:55] | iamlindoro__: | willcooke, I bet you're right, was just curious re: whether multirec had some intelligent method of visualizing it |
| [17:02:08] | sn9: | is the multirec merge after 15417? |
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| [17:02:16] | iamlindoro__: | directhex|bsp, You lucky bastards with your standards and your open television systems ;) |
| [17:02:20] | directhex|bsp: | it is... gohometime! |
| [17:02:23] | GreyFoxx: | sn9: 15437 |
| [17:02:23] | willcooke: | iamlindoro__, :) |
| [17:02:40] | sn9: | thx |
| [17:02:50] | GreyFoxx: | basically the very latest commit :) |
| [17:03:00] | iamlindoro__: | sn9, Don't you hate it when you SVN up five minutes before something really good happens? :) |
| [17:03:35] | sn9: | iamlindoro__: i hate it more when a distro does that |
| [17:03:42] | iamlindoro__: | sn9, gah, good point |
| [17:03:47] | sn9: | in this case, knoppmyth |
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| [17:05:59] | opentrinity: | hi iamlindoro_ |
| [17:06:16] | Kazan: | -v audio adds more verbosity to the audio decoder output from frontend, yes? |
| [17:06:44] | iamlindoro__: | hey opentrinity |
| [17:07:44] | ** iamlindoro__ svn up's before it gets too crazy ** | |
| [17:09:47] | FinnTux: | all we need is multchannel patch, a bit of testing/bugfixes and boom, we have 0.21... |
| [17:09:49] | FinnTux: | right? :) |
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| [17:13:06] | Andycasss: | Where is the mythweb source located? |
| [17:13:17] | FinnTux: | mythplugins/mythweb |
| [17:13:18] | Andycasss: | It seems it doesnt want to work with my apache web server |
| [17:13:28] | Andycasss: | thanks, ill have a look in there |
| [17:13:34] | iamlindoro__: | did you edit the conf file? |
| [17:13:39] | iamlindoro__: | mythweb.conf.apache? |
| [17:13:46] | FinnTux: | I usually just copy it over to /var/www |
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| [17:14:01] | iamlindoro__: | and put it in /etc/apache2/conf.d/? (different per distro, of course) |
| [17:15:56] | Kazan: | interesting |
| [17:16:04] | Andycasss: | Hm, no lindoro, i didnt |
| [17:16:04] | Kazan: | before it starts spamming frame sync error, audio buffer overrun |
| [17:16:06] | Kazan: | it first says |
| [17:16:07] | Kazan: | 2008-01–14 11:09:59.473 [ac3 @ 0x2aaaac1c41c0]Cannot upmix AC3 from 1 to 2 channels. |
| [17:16:45] | iamlindoro__: | Andycasss, Yeah, you've got to do that... it needs the path changed, and to have your db information, then it needs to go into the conf.d directory for your apache install, then apache needs to be force-reloaded |
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| [17:17:19] | iamlindoro__: | That's an ffmpeg error... ewwww, mono AC3? |
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| [17:17:35] | iamlindoro__: | hmmm |
| [17:17:35] | Kazan: | iamlindoro: yeah.. it's weird |
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| [17:17:44] | Kazan: | i'm thinking it's a corrupt ac3 frame |
| [17:17:56] | Kazan: | shouldn't it just discard the corrupt frame and move on? |
| [17:18:03] | Kazan: | instead of getting stuck in an infinite loop? |
| [17:18:07] | iamlindoro__: | not sure what ffmpeg's logic is for that |
| [17:18:54] | Kazan: | i'm not sure it's ffmpeg that isn't simply advancing |
| [17:19:06] | Kazan: | because the infinite loop is hitting both myth code and ffmpeg |
| [17:19:21] | Kazan: | NVP::AddAudioData():p1: |
| [17:19:46] | iamlindoro__: | I'd cut out the first 10 megs of the file and submit it with a bug report |
| [17:20:16] | sn9: | 5.1 channels, and they're all the same... haha |
| [17:20:16] | iamlindoro__: | dd if=yourfile of=smallfile bs=1024k count=10 |
| [17:20:30] | opentrinity: | iamlindoro_- have u set user job that convert in xvid a recorded program? |
| [17:20:41] | Kazan: | no.. it's just confused about the channel count from the corrupt frame |
| [17:20:47] | Kazan: | it is atleast stereo |
| [17:21:08] | iamlindoro__: | opentrinity, I think I have one, but I almost never use it... I can pastebin for you if you like |
| [17:21:25] | opentrinity: | ok...tx |
| [17:21:40] | iamlindoro__: | actually, I think I got that one from someone else, so I can't take credit for it :) |
| [17:21:55] | opentrinity: | lol |
| [17:22:47] | iamlindoro__: | http://rafb.net/p/Zj1zmI82.html |
| [17:22:53] | janneg: | Kazan: can you reproduce it with ffmpeg?, what happens if you cut of the the start of the file |
| [17:23:22] | iamlindoro__: | That script belongs to Steve Adeff, and I never use it, but I believe it works well... here, let me give you his user page for more information |
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| [17:23:23] | Kazan: | janneg: it's not at the very start of the file |
| [17:23:32] | Kazan: | it's... approximately 26 minutes into this particular one |
| [17:23:41] | Kazan: | i've gotten it all over the place |
| [17:23:51] | Kazan: | but each individual recording will always do it at the same spot in that recording |
| [17:24:02] | Kazan: | which makes me think it's bad handling of a corrupt audio frame |
| [17:24:03] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Steveadeff |
| [17:24:14] | iamlindoro__: | opentrinity, Read that ^^^ It explains the script for you |
| [17:25:36] | opentrinity: | ok tx |
| [17:25:57] | Kazan: | janneg: lemme see what happens with xine |
| [17:26:09] | iamlindoro__: | haha... I was just about to go... "Mythweb is broken!" But I neglected to update plugins, duhhhhh |
| [17:26:13] | janneg: | Kazan: ah. it could be that recent ffmpeg would work better. there was some error concealment work in the ac3 decoder recently |
| [17:26:49] | Kazan: | kk |
| [17:26:52] | iamlindoro__: | I'm hoping they get E-AC3 support into ffmpeg before next sync |
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| [17:28:37] | Mythbox: | hey guys |
| [17:28:43] | Andycasss: | iamlindoro__: Do i have to change <directory "/var/www/html"> to match my mythweb install dir? |
| [17:28:51] | Mythbox: | got some ?s for all / any of you |
| [17:28:53] | iamlindoro__: | Andycasss, yep |
| [17:29:00] | Mythbox: | what distros are you running you're myth tvs on? |
| [17:29:06] | janneg: | iamlindoro__: I was just thinking if I should do another ffmpeg before 0.21 |
| [17:29:13] | Mythbox: | i've been looking at using Arch or Fedora 8 |
| [17:29:23] | Dibblah: | Joy! Multirec merge :) |
| [17:29:48] | Kazan: | ok.. any minute now xine will hit the bad point |
| [17:29:49] | Mythbox: | anyone in here look into Linux MCE? |
| [17:29:52] | Andycasss: | and then exacly what do i need to put in conf.d? :$ |
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| [17:30:35] | iamlindoro__: | janneg, You probably follow the dev list for ffmpeg as closely or moreso than I do.. but Michael and the guy writing the MLP/TrueHD decoder keep going back and forth ad nauseum, and the E-AC3 code seems to be in limbo too... The code all works if one patches themselves, but sometimes it seems getting it into SVN is further than ever |
| [17:30:42] | GreyFoxx: | Mythbox: Slackware here |
| [17:31:04] | Mythbox: | GreyFoxx, do you have a usb remote working w/ it? |
| [17:31:13] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [17:31:16] | GreyFoxx: | MCE remote |
| [17:31:19] | willcooke: | Mythbox, Ubuntu here – all good. |
| [17:31:24] | Mythbox: | how hard was that go get going? |
| [17:31:27] | GreyFoxx: | before that a Niveus remote |
| [17:31:27] | iamlindoro__: | Andycasss, conf.d is a directory in your apache directory (sometimes /etc/apache2/conf.d) and you put the mythweb.conf.apache in there as mythweb.conf |
| [17:31:39] | GreyFoxx: | Mythbox: took about 5 minutes including compiling lirc svn |
| [17:31:39] | Mythbox: | I tried to get it on ubuntu but my sound was jacked up.. well myth buntu |
| [17:31:52] | Andycasss: | i see :) |
| [17:31:57] | Kazan: | janneg: if xine survives the bad frame.... it would tell us more than "if recent"... because my ffmpeg-libs are older than the version that mythtv comes with |
| [17:32:15] | Kazan: | it did |
| [17:32:24] | Mythbox: | shit are you serious.. i may have to go that route.. i ONLY use slackware on my desktop but someone told me it was a bitch to get myth on so i havent bothered trying on my mythbox |
| [17:32:27] | Kazan: | yup |
| [17:32:28] | Kazan: | xine survived |
| [17:32:59] | janneg: | iamlindoro__: I'm ignoring the MLP/TrueHD discussion but I'll see the commit message |
| [17:33:08] | Kazan: | xine just drops the bad audio data |
| [17:33:14] | iamlindoro__: | janneg, heh, get tired of it? :) |
| [17:33:20] | Mythbox: | GreyFoxx, what do you know about arch? .. think it'd be any good for an MC ? |
| [17:33:20] | janneg: | yeah |
| [17:33:30] | iamlindoro__: | me too, doesn't appear to be getting anywhere... sigh |
| [17:33:36] | GreyFoxx: | MythLogBot: not a thing |
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| [17:33:48] | GreyFoxx: | Mythbox: not a thing |
| [17:33:54] | Mythbox: | hmm |
| [17:34:07] | janneg: | Kazan: if you can give me the audio stream with the error I'll see what I can do |
| [17:34:08] | Mythbox: | I'm currently trying to set up fedora 8 w/ myth but its bein a whore |
| [17:34:14] | Mythbox: | and i cant find any info on it |
| [17:34:17] | jams: | Mythbox- archlinux? |
| [17:34:21] | Mythbox: | i havent used fedora in so long... |
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| [17:34:35] | Mythbox: | yeah jams .. i was thinking about using arch on my home theater |
| [17:34:36] | Kazan: | janneg: tell me how to extract the ac3 from this HD recording to it's own seperate file and you go it |
| [17:34:37] | Mythbox: | what do you think? |
| [17:34:49] | Kazan: | s/go/got |
| [17:34:50] | jams: | i use it as the base for my installations |
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| [17:35:05] | GreyFoxx: | ugh so many open trac tickets |
| [17:35:08] | Mythbox: | have you used it on a media center? |
| [17:35:22] | janneg: | Kazan: ffmpeg -i $recording -acodec copy error_stream.ac3 should do |
| [17:35:33] | jams: | what do you mean "on a media center" |
| [17:35:35] | Mythbox: | GreyFoxx, is there anything i should look out for if i'm going to use slackware? and what ed do you use? |
| [17:35:45] | Mythbox: | jams, i mean like a home theater pc |
| [17:35:46] | GreyFoxx: | Mythbox: have I used what on amedia center? |
| [17:35:47] | jams: | i use it for all my mythtv installs |
| [17:35:53] | GreyFoxx: | oh you didn't mean for me |
| [17:35:53] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [17:36:00] | Mythbox: | lol |
| [17:36:04] | iamlindoro__: | janneg, I wonder if you could answer a quick question for me since you're in here-- Do you have any insight about the firewire-capture/DVB issue with mythtranscode where it fails with error 232? From my own investigation it appears to be from what mythtranscode interprets as bad PTS timecode, resulting in all the GOPs being thrown out... any info on all that? |
| [17:36:19] | GreyFoxx: | Mythbox: Slackware is not for the faint of heart. It doesn't hold your hand . |
| [17:36:20] | Mythbox: | grey what edition did you use on your myth set up? |
| [17:36:29] | Mythbox: | yeah i know that lol |
| [17:36:31] | jams: | for that matter neither does archlinux. |
| [17:36:32] | GreyFoxx: | I rebuilt everything last Sept with 12 |
| [17:36:33] | Mythbox: | i've been using it for 3 yrs |
| [17:36:41] | GreyFoxx: | before that I had 10.1 on everything |
| [17:36:49] | Mythbox: | ok |
| [17:37:01] | justinh: | I built a myth box with slack 10.something. was ok actually |
| [17:37:04] | Mythbox: | i've been using slackware since 10.1 or 10.2 and been using arch just after that |
| [17:37:19] | Kazan: | janneg: lol "Ffmpeg command not found" |
| [17:37:23] | justinh: | didn't get it to be the slimmed down thing I wanted but it worked |
| [17:37:28] | Andycasss: | I have one more question about mythweb conf... It tells me that is strongly recommended to enable authentication, but i dont understand how htdigest works, whats the realm argument? I did read manpage but it didnt tell me anything useful about realm argument |
| [17:37:32] | Mythbox: | i just didnt know how well they handled as a media center |
| [17:37:44] | Mythbox: | i'd assume they'd do well given the stability |
| [17:37:55] | Kazan: | janneg: doing a quick yum search for whichever package not installed |
| [17:37:58] | jams: | Mythbox- yes it does fine. |
| [17:38:01] | iamlindoro__: | Andycasss, That one I can't help you with, I don't open my web ports so I leave auth off |
| [17:38:05] | Mythbox: | tho i want to give linux MCE a go just bc it looks amazing |
| [17:38:08] | willcooke: | justinh, multi-rec FTW \o/ |
| [17:38:20] | justinh: | Mythbox: is looks gash |
| [17:38:23] | ** iamlindoro__ dies a little inside ** | |
| [17:38:24] | justinh: | *it |
| [17:38:34] | janneg: | iamlindoro__: I don't remember the error codes and I find the lossless mpeg2 mythtranscode incomprehensible |
| [17:38:42] | Mythbox: | i dont mean the UI necessarily |
| [17:38:51] | justinh: | I do. gash |
| [17:39:05] | keith4: | Andycasss: ask in #apache |
| [17:39:11] | keith4: | there are lots and lots of options for auth |
| [17:39:19] | Mythbox: | i'm talking about all the added features ie, serv. cams and cell phone control straight out of box |
| [17:39:25] | justinh: | control everything in your house from one screen with millions of options. oyay |
| [17:39:40] | iamlindoro__: | janneg, well 232 is no help, it's "unknown error," but from command line it gives "Deadlock detected. One buffer is full when the other is empty! Aborting" |
| [17:39:40] | Mythbox: | yeah i like that feature |
| [17:39:43] | justinh: | nice idea, they don't get my vote |
| [17:39:58] | Mythbox: | i dunno i just wanna try it |
| [17:40:10] | Mythbox: | maybe link it to a pda and have a whole house remote |
| [17:40:16] | justinh: | :-\ |
| [17:40:20] | Mythbox: | you can control the lighting and everything man.. |
| [17:40:23] | justinh: | :-\ |
| [17:40:37] | Mythbox: | whether we like it or not thats the way things are going |
| [17:40:38] | Kazan: | janneg: ok.. extracting now |
| [17:40:41] | iamlindoro__: | janneg, a regular transcode with ffmpeg works ok because it appears to discard PTS and rewrite timecode when it goes to the new format, but it makes commercial removal painful as I then have to reimport, commercial scan, export the cutlist, make it an EDL, and use mencoder to cut out the commercials |
| [17:40:44] | xris: | Andycasss: realm is just an extra bit of text to help with auth verification.. the "digest" encodes the realm into the checksum along with the password to make it a little (stressing little) extra secure. |
| [17:40:45] | janneg: | ka ka[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[B[B |
| [17:40:46] | jams: | Mythbox- After 5 hours i gave up on installing it. |
| [17:40:47] | justinh: | Mythbox: the way you're going yeah. |
| [17:40:51] | xris: | Andycasss: just leave it as MythTV and you're fine |
| [17:41:11] | justinh: | oh no I have to get up to turn a light / the cooker / washing machine on ! |
| [17:41:24] | Mythbox: | I'm an electrical design firm, all the schools we're currently designing are using this daylight harvesting system called eco system.. its pretty sweet |
| [17:41:53] | justinh: | the world is obese enough without taking away more reasons to move around |
| [17:41:59] | Mythbox: | they have monitors that read the foot candles in different parts of the class room and adjust the power being sent to the lights accordingly |
| [17:42:01] | Andycasss: | xris: I cant leave it without auth, im running webserver on port 80 |
| [17:42:08] | Kazan: | janneg: where do i send it? |
| [17:42:13] | Mythbox: | so if its extremely sunny the lights by the windows will be off |
| [17:42:21] | Kazan: | it's 191M |
| [17:42:30] | justinh: | funny that HA is biggest in the most obese country on the planet :) |
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| [17:42:58] | janneg: | Kazan: can you cut it approximately to the error |
| [17:43:04] | iamlindoro__: | HA? |
| [17:43:09] | Mythbox: | lol i didnt say we need the shit but eventually your entire house will be computerized |
| [17:43:10] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: home automation |
| [17:43:20] | Kazan: | janneg: hmm... i THINK the first occurance is somewhere between 25 and 30 minutes |
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| [17:43:21] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, Ah, ok, never would have gotten that one ;) |
| [17:43:24] | Mythbox: | you run out of milk, your frig will send you a txt |
| [17:43:25] | Mythbox: | lol |
| [17:43:28] | justinh: | Mythbox: ever seen 'Demon Seed' ? |
| [17:43:42] | Mythbox: | is that the one where the computer in the house goes crazy/ |
| [17:43:46] | justinh: | yeah |
| [17:43:48] | Mythbox: | lol |
| [17:43:55] | Mythbox: | yeah bc thats very realistic lol |
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| [17:44:19] | Mythbox: | i'm not talking about AI, i'm just saying the house will sense and notify |
| [17:44:22] | justinh: | windows(tm) has detected a problem in your home security system and needs to be restarted. during that time you will be unable to leave your house via doors & windows, ok? |
| [17:44:24] | Kazan: | janneg: trying to figure it out |
| [17:44:40] | Mythbox: | haha |
| [17:44:44] | Mythbox: | which is why we use linux |
| [17:44:52] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, a computer sending me a text to do the dishes won't make me any more likely to wash them. I *know* my sink is full of dishes. Fuck off! |
| [17:44:53] | Mythbox: | no reboot required |
| [17:45:04] | Mythbox: | lol |
| [17:45:04] | justinh: | Mythbox: I'm joshing. it's a nice idea but most houses I know, and people I know don't have a house big enough to warrant much automation |
| [17:45:07] | Mythbox: | thats hilarious |
| [17:45:07] | iamlindoro__: | I already have a mother |
| [17:45:38] | Mythbox: | i'm not saying right away.. but like oh.. 20–50 generations from now lol |
| [17:45:41] | iamlindoro__: | If I forget to wash behind my ears, can I get LinuxMCE FellatioEdition to send me a text to tell me to do so? |
| [17:45:56] | justinh: | computer! tea! early grey, 47.3 degrees C |
| [17:46:00] | Mythbox: | quite possibly |
| [17:46:11] | Mythbox: | lol now that would be nice.. |
| [17:46:17] | Mythbox: | i likes me tea lol |
| [17:46:42] | justinh: | or if it's for my wife, 25 degrees C |
| [17:46:49] | Mythbox: | lol |
| [17:47:03] | Pryon: | Hmmm. I wonder if that's universal. My wife's the same way. Cold tea is horrid. |
| [17:47:18] | Kazan: | janneg: got errors |
| [17:47:26] | xris: | Andycasss: I never said that (I'm the guy who wrote the suggestion that you turn auth ON)... just leave Realm as MythTV and uncomment that bit of .htaccess to turn on digest.. then you create your htdigest file with hte htdigest program. |
| [17:47:30] | Kazan: | janneg: Bit allocation failed, try increasing the bitrate, -ab 384 for example! |
| [17:47:33] | xris: | (sorry, afk a bunch while at work) |
| [17:47:53] | Kazan: | ffmpeg -i error_stream.ac3 -ss 00:25:00 -t 00:05:00 error_stream_cut.ac3 |
| [17:48:02] | Andycasss: | ok :) |
| [17:48:27] | janneg: | Kazan: add -acodec copy |
| [17:48:30] | Mythbox: | alright gentlemen i have to leave lol |
| [17:48:32] | Mythbox: | time for lunch |
| [17:49:03] | Mythbox: | i'm gonna give slackware a go and possibly arch on that HTPC |
| [17:49:49] | janneg: | Kazan: between input and output file |
| [17:50:02] | Kazan: | oh right :P |
| [17:50:32] | Kazan: | 1.8k... that doesn't sound right |
| [17:50:53] | Kazan: | that sounds kinda small for 5 minutes of data |
| [17:52:20] | iamlindoro__: | Now that's some efficient compression |
| [17:52:48] | Kazan: | heh |
| [17:53:01] | Kazan: | especially since it's supposed to be 448kb/s |
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| [17:53:18] | Kazan: | should be like 16 megs |
| [17:53:21] | iamlindoro__: | try -t 300 |
| [17:53:35] | iamlindoro__: | (I believe -t will take a second count also) |
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| [17:55:31] | Kazan: | time=1500.0 |
| [17:55:45] | justinh: | ooo torchypoo starts again on wednesday |
| [17:56:00] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, I can get my guys-kissing-guys fix |
| [17:56:11] | GreyFoxx: | torchwood ? |
| [17:56:12] | Kazan: | same size |
| [17:56:45] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: yeah torchypoo |
| [17:56:55] | justinh: | like Dr Poo but with more gay |
| [17:57:25] | iamlindoro__: | and FUGLY chicks |
| [17:57:43] | justinh: | I should give Dr Who a break actually. They had one really good episode last series |
| [17:57:47] | amrit|zzz is now known as amrit|wrk | |
| [17:57:50] | iamlindoro__: | blink |
| [17:57:58] | justinh: | yep |
| [17:59:39] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: I found the one with the Angel statues was spooky :) |
| [18:00:30] | justinh: | That was 'Blink' :) |
| [18:01:03] | justinh: | only episode not to go all 'showtunes' IMHO |
| [18:01:24] | Kazan: | janneg: can't get it to chop right |
| [18:01:41] | iamlindoro__: | It may reduce other's opinions of me, but I like pretty much every episode :) |
| [18:01:52] | justinh: | wibble the flosserator & set the floojums to maximum scrobbling! |
| [18:02:08] | iamlindoro__: | Jiggery-pokery? |
| [18:02:13] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: I'm not saying there's anything bad with camp fluff per se, just nice to have a change |
| [18:02:47] | iamlindoro__: | Well here we have an overabundance of shows that think they're important and serious and are in actuality crap |
| [18:03:17] | Hoxzer: | Does somebody here know how to setup monit to monitor the frontend |
| [18:03:26] | justinh: | worst episode of DW ever vs X-Factor Dancing On Ice with Dragons in WestEndShow Big Brother with Ant or Dec any time |
| [18:03:41] | janneg: | Kazan: I was thinking of cutting it with dd |
| [18:03:56] | Kazan: | janneg: i'm uploading the entire thing to my webspace |
| [18:04:09] | Kazan: | it will be a few hours |
| [18:04:17] | Kazan: | but http://derekmeek.com/error_stream.ac3 |
| [18:04:28] | janneg: | Kazan: that would work too, msg me the url |
| [18:04:29] | justinh: | hmm if I move up to trunk on my production system I'm gonna have to get a bigger hard drive & a portable media player at work |
| [18:05:27] | Daviey: | sounds good |
| [18:06:15] | Daviey: | justinh: buy 4 x 500Gb – 2TB LVM \o/ |
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| [18:07:43] | _ben: | noisy :) |
| [18:07:56] | janneg: | Daviey: why LVM? just use one/more storagegroups with multiple directories |
| [18:08:02] | blackest: | is Andycasss still reading ? |
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| [18:08:15] | _ben: | shame you can't do much in teh way of pvr stuff with freebsd |
| [18:08:17] | Daviey: | janneg: storage groups are for those that can't handle lvm |
| [18:08:19] | _ben: | zfs would be nice |
| [18:08:31] | blackest: | its just i did the secure mythweb thing yesterday |
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| [18:08:36] | janneg: | and btw the sweetspot is moving too 750GB hard discs |
| [18:09:16] | blackest: | in fact i might even have the relevant web pages still open |
| [18:09:25] | janneg: | Daviey: I disagree, multiple independent discs are much better for mythtv than one large lvm partition |
| [18:09:59] | Daviey: | janneg: but a PITA if you want to access that stuff out of myth |
| [18:10:05] | Daviey: | IMO |
| [18:12:04] | iamlindoro__: | Or Just RAID-5 or 6 and get the best of both worlds and failure-resistance |
| [18:12:34] | Mythbox: | hey guys lol you think a 500g esata will be enough storage for my myth? |
| [18:12:36] | janneg: | Daviey: no, just use mythrename.pl --link |
| [18:12:58] | Daviey: | janneg: I'm happy with LVM |
| [18:13:08] | janneg: | Mythbox: depends how many recordings you want to preserve |
| [18:13:13] | iamlindoro__: | Mythbox, Totally individual, depends on whether you want it for recordings *and* video, whether you record much TV, whether you intend to keep much, etc |
| [18:13:29] | iamlindoro__: | If you're just going to watch-and-delete, it's more than enough |
| [18:13:32] | Daviey: | janneg: of course, i also use that storage for other stuff aswell – not just myth recorded stuff |
| [18:13:51] | Mythbox: | well roughly how large would a half hour program be recorded at the highest quality? |
| [18:13:56] | iamlindoro__: | If you're going to archive much, particularly HD, you may find yourself out of space rather quickly |
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| [18:14:37] | Andycasss: | blackest, sorry? |
| [18:14:38] | Mythbox: | i'll do watch and delete but i doubt i'll ever have more than 10 shows recorded at a time |
| [18:14:45] | Mythbox: | think i'll be safe? |
| [18:14:47] | iamlindoro__: | Yep |
| [18:15:05] | Mythbox: | good |
| [18:15:19] | iamlindoro__: | for reference, 1080i mpeg-2 is about 7–8 GB an hour |
| [18:15:22] | Mythbox: | is there anyway to get myth to record to one hdd till if tills then jump to the next w/o raiding them? |
| [18:15:30] | Mythbox: | ok thanks |
| [18:15:37] | iamlindoro__: | So if you're going to have 10 shows recorded at the most, even if it were 1080, you'd still have 400 GB free |
| [18:15:58] | Mythbox: | awesome |
| [18:16:33] | Mythbox: | is there anyway to get myth to stair step harddrives? |
| [18:16:42] | Mythbox: | if one fills then go to the next? |
| [18:16:58] | iamlindoro__: | Not it that manner, but storage groups handles having multiple hard drives |
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| [18:17:04] | iamlindoro__: | for recordings, anyway |
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| [18:17:10] | Mythbox: | teag |
| [18:17:20] | Mythbox: | yeah& |
| [18:17:25] | iamlindoro__: | It will record on the one with lowest current IO, with the most space, etc., as necessary |
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| [18:17:28] | Mythbox: | damn cant type lol |
| [18:17:46] | Mythbox: | ok |
| [18:18:50] | Mythbox: | anyone here think i'll run into probs using an olivia 26"? |
| [18:19:13] | Mythbox: | it has the 13**x7** res tho |
| [18:19:43] | Mythbox: | i've heard it doesnt really look bad w/ 1080 even tho its not "native" |
| [18:20:12] | iamlindoro__: | 1366x768 usually in panels that size |
| [18:20:44] | iamlindoro__: | Nothing wrong with that res, but if you have the means a 1080p panel is really worth it |
| [18:20:50] | iamlindoro__: | (personal opinion only) |
| [18:21:20] | Mythbox: | hmm |
| [18:21:29] | jduggan: | i regret not getting 1080p |
| [18:21:30] | Mythbox: | i dunno i'm in college.. think i better stick to the cheap route lol |
| [18:21:34] | jduggan: | bought my tv cpl years ago |
| [18:21:38] | Mythbox: | i've already dumped $300+ into this HTPC |
| [18:21:40] | jduggan: | only does 1080i/720p |
| [18:22:19] | Mythbox: | next yr my friend and i wanna get a 40–50" lcd |
| [18:22:30] | jduggan: | wtf |
| [18:22:33] | jduggan: | between you? |
| [18:22:41] | Mythbox: | yeh |
| [18:22:43] | jduggan: | who decides who keep it when you move into ur own place |
| [18:22:44] | jduggan: | =] |
| [18:22:44] | iamlindoro__: | ah, college... when friends buy TVs together and it doesn't mean you have to put out |
| [18:22:51] | jduggan: | Mythbox: sounds worse than a divorce |
| [18:22:52] | jduggan: | ;] |
| [18:22:53] | Mythbox: | haha what |
| [18:23:02] | Mythbox: | no its a guy lol |
| [18:23:11] | Mythbox: | i may end up just buyin it |
| [18:23:11] | Mythbox: | lol |
| [18:23:13] | iamlindoro__: | Nobody's judging you, we respect your lifestyle |
| [18:23:17] | Mythbox: | I'll be graduated by then |
| [18:23:18] | jduggan: | lol ai |
| [18:23:21] | jduggan: | iamlindoro* |
| [18:23:26] | Mythbox: | hah fuck you iamlindoro |
| [18:23:38] | iamlindoro__: | Naw, that's not my thing, but it's perfectly ok |
| [18:23:42] | Mythbox: | haha |
| [18:23:45] | Mythbox: | dick head.. |
| [18:23:46] | Mythbox: | lol |
| [18:23:48] | iamlindoro__: | I respect you and think you're courageous |
| [18:23:58] | iamlindoro__: | Don't let anyone tell you how to live |
| [18:24:01] | Mythbox: | haha |
| [18:24:15] | Mythbox: | no, i couldnt be gay... i like big breasts too much |
| [18:24:27] | iamlindoro__: | Big boys need love too, good point |
| [18:24:37] | Mythbox: | i realized about a week ago that i've never dated a girl w/ less than Ds other than 1 who had C-D range lol |
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| [18:25:17] | Mythbox: | now that i think about it, i may have to go for Cs more often.. they wont get saggy like DDs lol |
| [18:26:12] | iamlindoro__: | gah, the preview_pixmap backend bug strikes again |
| [18:26:17] | Mythbox: | you guys ever hear of the streets? |
| [18:26:23] | Mythbox: | its a band from the UK |
| [18:26:27] | Mythbox: | they're pretty good lol |
| [18:26:56] | Mythbox: | google the irony of it all.. funny video.. bad quality tho |
| [18:27:05] | Mythbox: | dry your eyes mate is a good song and good quality |
| [18:28:19] | jduggan: | who hasnt heard of the streets |
| [18:28:31] | Mythbox: | i didnt till like a yr ago |
| [18:28:36] | jduggan: | ah |
| [18:28:39] | jduggan: | you not british? |
| [18:28:40] | jduggan: | =] |
| [18:28:43] | Mythbox: | lol |
| [18:28:52] | Mythbox: | no.. i'm american.. :-\ |
| [18:29:14] | Mythbox: | been thinkin about trying to find a job in london after i grad tho |
| [18:29:29] | Hoxzer: | lol, my HTPC bursted high volume soudn suddenly :O |
| [18:29:30] | jduggan: | i have all 3 albums, pretty decent |
| [18:31:20] | Mythbox: | I've only heard about 5 songs |
| [18:31:42] | Mythbox: | i like the newer stuff over the older stuff |
| [18:32:45] | Mythbox: | i like could we be in & dry your eyes mate |
| [18:33:26] | Mythbox: | i have a ?.. why do americans call english british english? |
| [18:33:54] | Mythbox: | i believe it started across the pond, shouldnt we call it american english in america? |
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| [18:38:44] | telee: | are tehre any thing similar as mythtv on windows? |
| [18:39:23] | ** iamlindoro__ plugs the last line into babelfish ** | |
| [18:39:57] | iamlindoro__: | MediaPortal. WinMCE. BeyondTV |
| [18:40:43] | telee: | iamlindoro, do they even compare to mythtv? |
| [18:40:59] | telee: | i am questioning if i can even figure out this whole linux along w/ mythtv |
| [18:41:13] | iamlindoro__: | Well... *I* don't think they do, or I wouldn't be using myth :) |
| [18:41:33] | iamlindoro__: | *Anyone* should be able to install mythbuntu if they choose the right hardware |
| [18:41:44] | telee: | ok |
| [18:41:53] | telee: | so what do you use mythtv for? |
| [18:42:47] | iamlindoro__: | Television recording, Video archival and watching, Streaming video over the web, etc. |
| [18:43:33] | blackest: | listening to music videos videos created to stick on my phone ... |
| [18:44:23] | blackest: | mythtv also makes an interesting hobby |
| [18:45:18] | Seeker`: | mythfilldatabase keeps on returning xmltv error 512 when it runs automatically |
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| [18:51:23] | jarle: | Seeker`: Probably because it runs as a different user and has problem locating the .xmltv file |
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| [18:54:38] | telee: | blackest, meaning you spend a lot of time to get things to work? |
| [18:55:08] | telee: | basically right now, i want to just to play movies to my tv. In the future i will record tv shows |
| [18:55:26] | telee: | is there something more basic that would fit me better or is mythtv still a good choice? |
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| [18:56:12] | Mythbox: | hello fellows |
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| [18:57:54] | telee: | anyone ^^ |
| [18:59:02] | iamlindoro__: | telee, Be more patient... nobody can tell you what will work for you, or which software in particular you should use. Read the wiki at mythtv.org and decide if you want to try. Then, try. If you fail, you fail, but why all the hemming and hawing? |
| [18:59:16] | telee: | ok thanks |
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| [19:04:21] | orkid: | what the heck is 'hemming' |
| [19:04:29] | justinh: | doesn't matter how noisy the myth backend is on my system. it's upstairs out of the way :) |
| [19:04:32] | orkid: | and 'hawing' ... |
| [19:04:45] | justinh: | but with storage groups you don't even need LVM :D |
| [19:05:21] | jduggan: | hmm, just bought the M$ mce remote with usb receiver/blaster off a colleague for a fiver |
| [19:05:24] | justinh: | orkid: huffing & puffing? pontification? procrastination? |
| [19:05:28] | jduggan: | hope its worth it |
| [19:05:29] | jduggan: | :o |
| [19:05:51] | justinh: | jduggan: they desperate for a hit or something? |
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| [19:06:14] | justinh: | hold out for a bit – they might give you their laptop for a wrap |
| [19:06:29] | jduggan: | justinh: they had vista mce, their box blew up said they wanted rid so i offered a fiver as it had a blaster on it |
| [19:06:35] | jduggan: | and from what i read it works well in linux |
| [19:06:39] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, I think justinh pretty much got the definition of hemming and hawing |
| [19:06:44] | justinh: | from what I hear it does |
| [19:07:11] | iamlindoro__: | yes, it's a great receiver/blaster, even if you ignore the good remote |
| [19:07:24] | justinh: | blackest: IME mythtv is only a hobby if you contribute. just works for me (tm) |
| [19:07:44] | jduggan: | problem is i want to use the receiver and blaster on seperate machines but oh well |
| [19:07:47] | jduggan: | =] |
| [19:07:59] | justinh: | jduggan: got a serial port spare? :) |
| [19:08:17] | jduggan: | justinh: yea, i have headers off the board – need one of those backplate thingers |
| [19:08:26] | jduggan: | probably have one somewhere |
| [19:09:25] | justinh: | as far as LVM goes I'd much rather lose a few recordings than all of them, so storage groups ftw |
| [19:09:49] | jduggan: | certainly |
| [19:09:53] | jduggan: | lvm sounds great |
| [19:09:55] | jduggan: | but realistically |
| [19:09:56] | jduggan: | pfft |
| [19:09:58] | jduggan: | waste of time |
| [19:10:05] | jduggan: | not worth the risk ;) |
| [19:10:28] | justinh: | one day I might invest in a huge tower case & stuff it with disks in caddies |
| [19:11:13] | justinh: | the tree hugger in me doesn't wanna do that though |
| [19:11:31] | justinh: | already pulling about 100W from the mains with the backend on non-stop |
| [19:11:43] | jduggan: | well with tb disks on teh market, you only need a few disks to get a reasonable storage |
| [19:12:10] | justinh: | 500GB is still the best price per GB though innit |
| [19:12:18] | jduggan: | yea |
| [19:12:44] | justinh: | maybe do some real sums & work out how much power less disks would save |
| [19:13:10] | jams: | wow the gradient editor in Pixel is a bit rough. |
| [19:13:16] | justinh: | or just get real again & remember I hardly have enough time to watch everything I record anyway |
| [19:13:38] | telee: | will my frontend not show up untill my backend is 100% configured |
| [19:13:44] | justinh: | though looking through my recordings list I sometimes struggle.. like ugh. Spooks.. not again :( |
| [19:13:52] | justinh: | show up? |
| [19:14:17] | justinh: | telee: if all you wanna do is play videos & music don't even think about mythtv IMHO |
| [19:14:29] | telee: | justinh, ok so here is where i am at. I dont want to record anything from tv at this point. ... ok |
| [19:14:47] | telee: | so in the future if i want to record tv shows should i use mythtv or mediaportal? |
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| [19:15:16] | telee: | and i understand that i should try them both.... but maybe its better to start with the easier one? |
| [19:15:19] | justinh: | mythtv. mediaportal doesn't exactly work as advertised according to people who've come in here moaning about it |
| [19:15:51] | telee: | ok, so i should stick w/ mythtv and learn as much as i can. At this point i am clueless about almost everything lol |
| [19:15:58] | telee: | but i am willing to learn |
| [19:16:04] | justinh: | mythtv itself isn't hard. it's stuff that you might rely on, like a remote control etc which can be difficult |
| [19:16:12] | telee: | ok |
| [19:16:22] | telee: | so before buying a remote... make sure i buy one that is supported right? |
| [19:16:30] | iamlindoro__: | Gah, there is more discussion on the User list about building a waterproof myth system in a *SHOWER* than there is about being able to capture component HD. *PRIORITIES*, people. |
| [19:16:42] | _ben: | quite a few tv cards come with remotes |
| [19:16:45] | justinh: | telee: mythfrontend only needs a backend for the TV stuff. it _does_ however need the database |
| [19:16:51] | Saviq: | is there a way to merge two recordings before transcoding? |
| [19:17:17] | iamlindoro__: | and STOP watching TV when you are bathing, pay attention to your hygeine, you stink. |
| [19:17:19] | justinh: | Saviq: nope. if they're mpeg2 you can prolly just cat them together IIRC |
| [19:17:21] | iamlindoro__: | er hygiene |
| [19:17:30] | clever: | 2008-01–14 15:17:11.659 NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: /media/mainlv/mythtv/1045_20080114110000.mpg |
| [19:17:32] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: lol |
| [19:17:42] | clever: | one of my frontends has lost the ability to play mpeg2 files |
| [19:17:44] | telee: | justinh, ok, so i configure this in my control center right? |
| [19:17:58] | justinh: | control center? I smell mythbuntu |
| [19:18:14] | telee: | yeah |
| [19:18:22] | jams: | clever- fess up your messing up your systems on purpose |
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| [19:18:41] | clever: | jams: not trying to:P |
| [19:18:42] | justinh: | telee: I dunno. You'd better RTFM on mythbuntu |
| [19:18:46] | telee: | ok |
| [19:18:52] | justinh: | clever: it's your mission in life! |
| [19:19:00] | clever: | the old mpeg4 files still play |
| [19:19:52] | justinh: | clever: in the short time I've known of your existence you've flat out had hundreds if not thousands of problems more than I've had in 4 years of using mythtv |
| [19:19:57] | clever: | justinh: i just finished messing with X to get direct rendering to work on ati while the nvidia are installed |
| [19:20:12] | clever: | lol |
| [19:20:19] | iamlindoro__: | Hello, and welcome to MythLiveSupport(tm). Before we begin speaking, I need to inform you that this channel is logged. I'd also like your permission to tell you about some exciting new packages we have for TV in your area. |
| [19:20:22] | telee: | justinh, so backend in basic terms is to record tv right? and frontend is to play ripped dvd's and music |
| [19:20:34] | clever: | justinh: which means i helped find/fix more problems:P |
| [19:20:37] | blackest: | clever if its just a frontend isn't it easier to uninstall myth and the config files and reinstall |
| [19:20:37] | iamlindoro__: | For support with mythbuntu, say or press One. |
| [19:20:51] | clever: | blackest: its a nfsroot frontend |
| [19:20:55] | Daviey: | someone called? |
| [19:21:07] | justinh: | telee: the backend does all the clever stuff like recording & scheduling recordings, talking to tuner cards etc. the frontend is the user interface & what actually plays media |
| [19:21:12] | clever: | . |
| [19:21:19] | telee: | ok cool thanks |
| [19:21:38] | justinh: | clever: oh yeah I forgot you're using a common nfsroot share for several machines |
| [19:21:46] | clever: | yeah |
| [19:21:52] | clever: | its shared between 3 systems right now |
| [19:21:54] | justinh: | start there, methinks |
| [19:22:10] | clever: | i could go test mpeg4 on another sys with the same root |
| [19:22:25] | clever: | the major diff is the xorg.conf the systems use |
| [19:22:36] | clever: | and the hostname(which affects all mythtv systems) |
| [19:23:56] | justinh: | if one machine can play more than another machine which supposedly has the same software installed wouldn't that point to libraries being monged somehow? |
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| [19:24:37] | justinh: | and since you've got a nice convenient nfsroot going on, just roll back to your backed up nfsroot dir |
| [19:24:39] | clever: | they all share the same bin's and lib's |
| [19:25:18] | justinh: | clever: so then there's no logical explanation |
| [19:25:20] | sn9: | iamlindoro__: quick, put your livetv on cal-span! the governator is holding a budget proposal press conference, and i think he's drunk! |
| [19:25:31] | clever: | justinh: not that i know of so far |
| [19:26:10] | justinh: | clever: no doubt you've discovered some exotic bug in NFS which so far hasn't been found because nobody has done anything as daft as you :P |
| [19:26:25] | clever: | lol |
| [19:26:30] | justinh: | 3 systems on the same nfsroot.. shudder |
| [19:26:54] | justinh: | not an issue if they're all the same hardware but they're not, I suspect |
| [19:27:03] | clever: | mpeg4 nuv files play fine |
| [19:27:07] | clever: | mpeg2 from the pvr dont |
| [19:27:19] | justinh: | on just one machine? |
| [19:27:31] | clever: | havent tested the older of the 3 |
| [19:27:35] | justinh: | or across all of them on the nfsroot? |
| [19:27:44] | clever: | 1 works for mpeg2 |
| [19:28:16] | clever: | (and proibly 4 also) |
| [19:28:16] | clever: | the newest only handles the mpeg4 |
| [19:28:31] | justinh: | and all recordings live in the same place accessible to all boxes? |
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| [19:28:47] | justinh: | so it's not that it can't find the mpeg2 recordings? ;) |
| [19:28:54] | clever: | the recordings are on the same real fs as the root |
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| [19:29:26] | justinh: | man, good luck!!! |
| [19:29:26] | clever: | justinh: i have the file from the error working in mplayer |
| [19:29:35] | clever: | clever@d630:~$ mplayer /media/mainlv/mythtv/1045_20080109095900.mpg |
| [19:29:37] | clever: | works fine |
| [19:29:48] | clever: | and mythtv said |
| [19:29:49] | clever: | 2008-01–14 15:26:47.281 NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: /media/mainlv/mythtv/1045_20080109095900.mpg |
| [19:29:59] | justinh: | lol. only you |
| [19:30:12] | clever: | its not a 404:P |
| [19:30:34] | clever: | no matching decoder is totaly diff from file not found |
| [19:30:37] | justinh: | you're out there on the fringes of sanity, clever my friend. only you will be able to fix it |
| [19:30:43] | clever: | and if it isnt found it gets streamed from the damn backend!!! |
| [19:30:53] | clever: | lol |
| [19:31:01] | justinh: | have you tried turning it off & than back on again? :P |
| [19:31:11] | clever: | i just booted it |
| [19:31:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever: CTRL-ALT-DEL ;-) |
| [19:31:16] | bsdfox_: | somewhat recently I switched from .20.2 to .21 and now all of my transcoded videos are 2x the size they used to be.. anyone got an explanation for this? |
| [19:31:17] | clever: | 15:31:15 up 21 min, 4 users, load average: 2.09, 2.04, 1.47 |
| [19:31:33] | justinh: | bsdfox_: yeah. it's broken |
| [19:31:39] | bsdfox_: | ? |
| [19:31:40] | clever: | bsdfox_: yep i know which ticket it is |
| [19:31:41] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | bsdfox_: Well, you did go from .1 to .2 -- ;-) |
| [19:31:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | bsdfox_: 2 is 2x 1... ;-) |
| [19:32:00] | bsdfox_: | wow |
| [19:32:01] | clever: | bsdfox_: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4240 |
| [19:32:04] | bsdfox_: | thanks |
| [19:32:17] | clever: | bsdfox_: im working arround it by halving my bitrate in the transcode profiles |
| [19:32:25] | justinh: | buy bigger disks! transcoding is a waste of electricity :) |
| [19:32:38] | justinh: | and now a waste of disk space :P |
| [19:32:43] | clever: | justinh: all my systems are at 100% cpu usage anyway |
| [19:32:45] | clever: | boinc! |
| [19:32:47] | visit0r: | recoding 8 channels using 2xDVB-C cards, seems to work ok |
| [19:32:51] | visit0r: | recording |
| [19:32:56] | justinh: | clever: burn the planet, to save the planet! |
| [19:33:02] | clever: | lol |
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| [19:33:25] | clever: | justinh: one of the things sucking my cpu usage is predicting the weather paterns to see how they are related to certain gas's |
| [19:33:40] | clever: | which will help predict how to prevent global warming |
| [19:34:09] | justinh: | how to prevent it? buy new energy efficient hardware & don't use all its idle time running heavy modelling |
| [19:34:25] | bsdfox_: | nuclear energy is very clean |
| [19:34:35] | overridex: | cherynobl ftw |
| [19:34:58] | blackest: | not if you want to stick the resulting transcode on an sd card it isnt |
| [19:35:22] | bsdfox_: | 8f |
| [19:35:25] | justinh: | blackest: userjobs ftw :) |
| [19:36:06] | iamlindoro__: | sn9, Gah! I'm not at home so can't see it... still going on? |
| [19:38:41] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: Do you miss the weather here in Boston? We got a Nor'easter today, and I'm going home to about 10 inches of snow to shovel... Yuck... |
| [19:38:45] | blackest: | how new does trunk version have to be to record multiple shows of the same multiplex at the same time ? |
| [19:38:50] | justinh: | blackest: anyway it'll get fixed eventually. don't lose heart :) |
| [19:39:05] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work, Heheh, I got a call from a friend this morning, she got the day off from work (works at a school)... I don't envy you that |
| [19:39:17] | iamlindoro__: | blackest, It has to be *todays* |
| [19:39:26] | iamlindoro__: | er today's |
| [19:40:05] | blackest: | i think i've got yesterdays |
| [19:40:12] | iamlindoro__: | not new enough, then |
| [19:40:17] | iamlindoro__: | svn up! |
| [19:40:22] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: I had to clean off 4" of snow on my truck this morning at 7:30am to even come into work... |
| [19:41:00] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work, Gah... I used to live on Beacon St.... I still remember walking out, looking at the mound where my car used to be, and going, "Fuck it, I'm taking the T." |
| [19:41:03] | blackest: | actually iamlindoro can i update from svn from mythbuntu weekly builds |
| [19:41:10] | justinh: | blackest: no not yet |
| [19:41:13] | clever: | now the menu is freezing up |
| [19:41:15] | iamlindoro__: | blackest, no |
| [19:41:26] | justinh: | savvy user, he say wait :) |
| [19:41:30] | blackest: | ok i guess i wait a week |
| [19:41:41] | justinh: | keen user, he say he help test new merge |
| [19:41:55] | iamlindoro__: | s/keen/foolish |
| [19:41:56] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [19:42:06] | iamlindoro__: | depending, of course |
| [19:42:14] | blackest: | is new merge working ? |
| [19:42:21] | iamlindoro__: | yup |
| [19:43:06] | blackest: | ok what do i have to do |
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| [19:43:40] | iamlindoro__: | to get it? either wait a week like justin told you, or check out from SVN and compile/install it yourself |
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| [19:43:59] | iamlindoro__: | It's one of those "if you have to ask you probably shouldn't do it" things, though |
| [19:44:05] | jduggan: | where on the x264.nl site are the samples? |
| [19:44:11] | iamlindoro__: | with no offense intended |
| [19:45:04] | blackest: | hmm well updating takes about 15 minutes building from svn and attempting to get it working 10 hours and then giving up and going to weekly builds ... priceless |
| [19:45:21] | iamlindoro__: | blackest, Only for you ;) |
| [19:45:34] | iamlindoro__: | well, not *only* for you |
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| [19:45:48] | blackest: | i will wait a week i don't think theres any thing worth recording atm |
| [19:45:50] | iamlindoro__: | but with a little luck and experience, it can be relatively painless |
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| [19:46:06] | clever: | justinh: i think i found the problem:P |
| [19:46:08] | blackest: | its all a learning curve |
| [19:46:16] | clever: | HOME wasnt set right when i fired up mythfrontend |
| [19:46:25] | clever: | forgot -H on sudo |
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| [19:51:08] | iamlindoro__: | jduggan, http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/ |
| [19:51:14] | Saviq: | hmm which of the default transcoding jobs is 'lossless'? |
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| [19:51:30] | iamlindoro__: | Whichever one you tick the "lossless transcode" box on |
| [19:51:36] | Saviq: | I only want to cut the commercials without touching the video |
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| [19:56:07] | sn9: | iamlindoro__: no, it was over by the time you replied. i caught the end of it. was a rerun from the 10th |
| [19:56:14] | iamlindoro__: | haha |
| [19:57:43] | Puhi: | is all multirec stuff ny synced to trunk? |
| [19:57:52] | Puhi: | or is the merge still in progress? |
| [19:58:04] | Puhi: | s/ny/now/; |
| [19:58:05] | sn9: | Puhi: done, afaik |
| [19:58:06] | lcase: | all synced |
| [19:58:29] | Puhi: | ok, i guess i should switch to trunk then |
| [19:59:14] | sn9: | if you were using multirec before, then that's easy |
| [20:00:02] | Puhi: | yes i've been running multirec for a while |
| [20:00:15] | Puhi: | but if 0.21 is near i guess the trunk should be quite stable also |
| [20:02:50] | iamlindoro__: | Someone who has been using Multirec should add pages to the wiki for the benefit of the rest of us |
| [20:03:55] | iamlindoro__: | In particular, a page on Input groups |
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| [20:13:22] | justinh: | I've been mutterring stuff about a push for 0.21 docs for a couple of days now |
| [20:13:54] | iamlindoro__: | Well... if I get it figured out before such a thing appears, I suppose I'll do it |
| [20:14:07] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: no, some guy calling himself Unclued Jim should put it all on his blog that'll get dugg but google won't find easily |
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| [20:15:03] | iamlindoro__: | And you forgot it'll be referenced four Ubuntu revisions from now when someone tried to install Myth on Ubuntu 11.04 Killer Koala |
| [20:15:25] | iamlindoro__: | er tries |
| [20:15:45] | justinh: | you can't use mythtv 0.50 with ubuntu |
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| [20:16:40] | justinh: | cos ubuntu doesn't exist in 2015. I've seen the future, and it's bright ;) |
| [20:17:02] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, but we'll still deal with KnoppMythBuntdora |
| [20:17:23] | qru: | Anyone have some simple instructions or files (mainmenu.xml, etc) for using MythTV as a simple media player (no live tv stuff)? |
| [20:17:56] | justinh: | qru: just comment out or delete parts of mainmenu.xml etc as needed |
| [20:18:11] | justinh: | better yet just copy the xml files into ~/.mythtv/ |
| [20:18:33] | qru: | justinh: That is what I am doing. Just wondering if someone has been there. |
| [20:18:51] | qru: | And what's the correct syntax for commenting out? |
| [20:19:04] | justinh: | <!-- comments in XML files --> |
| [20:19:20] | justinh: | be careful of nested comments though |
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| [20:20:05] | justinh: | you can comment out more than one line by putting <!-- at the start of a section you want ignored and --> at the end of the section so long as there aren't any other comments inside |
| [20:20:27] | qru: | I thought I had done that, but must of typoed. |
| [20:20:52] | justinh: | use an editor with syntax highlighting – it can help |
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| [20:21:58] | sebo_: | hello |
| [20:22:14] | managementboy: | hi, does someone know how to set mythgallery to honor the aspect ratio of photos? on my 16x9 screen they are screwed. |
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| [20:25:39] | justinh: | managementboy: AFAIK it can in trunk |
| [20:26:21] | justinh: | managementboy: otherwise no, don't think there's any way unless you're running mythfrontend on a true 16:9 resolution |
| [20:26:50] | managementboy: | I am using the latest trunk |
| [20:27:13] | Andycasss: | I cant get my mythweb to work |
| [20:27:15] | managementboy: | justinh: what do you mean by true 16:9 |
| [20:27:37] | Andycasss: | It keeps telling forbidden, ive commented the authentication part, but still the same |
| [20:28:00] | justinh: | managementboy: I mean not running X at 800x600 |
| [20:28:08] | managementboy: | justinh:mine is 960x544 |
| [20:28:19] | iamlindoro__: | Andycasss, is mythweb dir owned (recursively) by your apache user? |
| [20:28:42] | managementboy: | junstin: does runing the resolution via xrand count? |
| [20:28:43] | iamlindoro__: | in my case I have to chown -R www-data.www-data /var/www/mythweb |
| [20:29:00] | justinh: | managementboy: must be a bug in 0.20.x then. saw a commit recently which mentioned aspects & mythgallery (for trunk) |
| [20:29:22] | Andycasss: | iamlindoro__: oh, its not |
| [20:29:56] | managementboy: | justinh: me too, but it did not fix it... runin it at 4:3 works well (1024x768), but that is not the native res of the screen. |
| [20:30:27] | justinh: | managementboy: running trunk? |
| [20:30:29] | iamlindoro__: | Andycasss, That should help |
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| [20:30:40] | Andycasss: | iamlindoro__: Ok i did the chown command, but it still didnt set the owner |
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| [20:30:41] | managementboy: | justinh: do you know if there is a bug reported for this, or should I create one |
| [20:30:51] | managementboy: | justinh: yes, trunk |
| [20:30:54] | justinh: | managementboy: no point reporting a bug in 0.20.x |
| [20:30:57] | iamlindoro__: | Andycasss, Do you have rights to change permissions? ie, you may need to sudo |
| [20:30:59] | Andycasss: | when i do grep -a 2 ^user /var/www/mythweb it doesnt tell anything |
| [20:31:05] | Andycasss: | yes, i used sudo |
| [20:31:11] | sebo_: | Hello, I'd like to record video from my camcorder using my Happauge PVR 150 – I'm using a S-Video cable . Anyone could help me? Thanks. |
| [20:31:25] | iamlindoro__: | Andycasss, You copied mythweb, right, and didn't just symlink? |
| [20:31:26] | managementboy: | justinh: 15422 |
| [20:31:45] | Andycasss: | Eek, sorry i did symlink it |
| [20:32:01] | ** iamlindoro__ is batting 1000 ** | |
| [20:32:21] | managementboy: | justinh: reporting on svn 15422 should be ok or not? |
| [20:32:59] | justinh: | managementboy: the commit in #4162 said there'd be limitations of the patch. are you running mythfrontend on a multi-head system? |
| [20:33:00] | managementboy: | justinh: the funny thing is that any other program to look at photos honors the aspect ratio |
| [20:33:32] | justinh: | I dunno why the code doesn't just pull the size of the mythtv screen size & base the aspect off that |
| [20:33:39] | managementboy: | justinh: no, on one system, but using xrand to set the screen size |
| [20:33:47] | sebo_: | Nobody knows? Is it possible to records from a camcorder? |
| [20:33:53] | justinh: | managementboy: maybe it's gone wrong there |
| [20:34:06] | justinh: | sebo_: cat /dev/video0 > myvideo.mpg |
| [20:34:10] | iamlindoro__: | sebo_, Yes, it is possible... just because nobody answers doesn't mean nobody knows |
| [20:34:36] | sebo_: | justinh: I've tried this but I get rubish |
| [20:34:44] | sebo_: | I need to change the video source |
| [20:34:49] | iamlindoro__: | Then you didn't set the video source first |
| [20:34:51] | justinh: | if your camcorder has firewire use that instead |
| [20:34:52] | managementboy: | justinh: this is the command I use "mythfrontend -O XineramaMonitorAspectRatio=1.7777 -O GuiVidModeResolution=960x544 -O TVVidModeForceAspect=1.77777777777" |
| [20:34:59] | iamlindoro__: | v4l2-ctl first |
| [20:35:01] | sebo_: | It's analog |
| [20:35:09] | justinh: | managementboy: not surprised ;) |
| [20:35:42] | sebo_: | I don't have v4l2-ctl |
| [20:35:43] | iamlindoro__: | v4l2-ctl --set-input=whatever |
| [20:35:46] | iamlindoro__: | then isntall it |
| [20:35:49] | iamlindoro__: | er install |
| [20:35:57] | sebo_: | i have v4lctl |
| [20:35:57] | Andycasss: | iamlindoro__: I still get nothing when checking user |
| [20:36:06] | justinh: | managementboy: why GuiVidModeResolution not --geometry ? |
| [20:36:23] | iamlindoro__: | Andycasss, so you copied mythweb in, and chowned it to your apache user? |
| [20:36:43] | Andycasss: | yes, but still it doesnt show that its owened by apache user |
| [20:36:45] | sebo_: | I've tried ivtvctl -p whatever. Does that work the same? |
| [20:36:48] | Andycasss: | www-data that is... |
| [20:36:56] | iamlindoro__: | Andycasss, Did you erase the symlink first? |
| [20:37:05] | Andycasss: | yes |
| [20:37:14] | managementboy: | justinh: because then the live TV and recordings dont honor the aspect ratio |
| [20:37:35] | managementboy: | justinh: could it be that I have something realy messed up somewhere in the settings? |
| [20:37:46] | iamlindoro__: | I would erase the /var/www/mythweb directory, go into your myth plugins source directory, and do cp -rf mythweb /var/www/ |
| [20:37:59] | justinh: | managementboy: could be. you should really set mythtv up rather than using overrides every time IMHO |
| [20:38:11] | iamlindoro__: | then sudo chown -R www-data.www-data /var/www/mythweb |
| [20:38:35] | justinh: | (as clever as overrides are) |
| [20:38:45] | Andycasss: | I basically did that, but i just used sudo cp -r |
| [20:38:54] | Andycasss: | but im gonna try again |
| [20:38:59] | managementboy: | justinh: I am trying it out as we type |
| [20:39:03] | justinh: | actually maybe some overrides don't with with mythgallery. that might be a bug – albeit a minor one |
| [20:39:05] | clever: | iamlindoro: i simply have a symlink pointing into my plugins dir |
| [20:39:38] | justinh: | trust you, clever! |
| [20:40:01] | clever: | and i tweaked the group of the data dir it needed +w to so it could +w while i could still svn up it |
| [20:40:20] | justinh: | don't listen to clever ;) |
| [20:40:32] | clever: | i fixed the mpeg2 problem:P |
| [20:40:36] | justinh: | you're _supposed_ to follow install instructions |
| [20:40:39] | clever: | for some reason it needed HOME set right |
| [20:40:49] | Andycasss: | iamlindoro__: oh, its still the same |
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| [20:41:02] | justinh: | if you don't follow the instructions & you do something 'special' nobody can support it :) |
| [20:41:12] | iamlindoro__: | Andycasss, Hmm, that's strange... I can't imagine why root wouldn't be able to change ownership on that directory |
| [20:41:59] | clever: | nfs freqly causes some perm denied errors to root |
| [20:42:03] | justinh: | managementboy: ahhh.. #4162 wasn't for trunk! |
| [20:42:49] | iamlindoro__: | presumably his /var isn't nfs, but anything is possible |
| [20:43:16] | justinh: | managementboy: no ticket I can find for aspect ratios of mythgallery in trunk. damnit |
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| [20:43:48] | justinh: | managementboy: if you don't get anywhere by fiddling around with mythfrontend maybe it'll be worth patching trunk mythgallery |
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| [20:45:14] | justinh: | but tbh I wouldn't have gone about the fix that way – just use the X & Y size of the GUI instead to get the aspect – though AFAIK the scaling factor should already take that into account – unless of course mythgallery's image display is assuming something else.. |
| [20:45:19] | Andycasss: | iamlindoro__: What should I do? |
| [20:45:41] | managementboy: | justinh: what command sets the rand extension in mythfrontend? |
| [20:45:49] | justinh: | managementboy: no idea |
| [20:45:56] | iamlindoro__: | Andycasss, I don't know. Something is fishy there if root isn't able to change permissions |
| [20:46:06] | iamlindoro__: | Andycasss, pastebin ls -al /var/www |
| [20:46:11] | justinh: | managementboy: AFAIK it's just for different GUI & video modes |
| [20:46:21] | sebo_: | Mythtv can't connect to back-end... I can't fix it... |
| [20:46:31] | sebo_: | I've tried the setup |
| [20:46:38] | iamlindoro__: | and any output of chown -R www-data.www-data /var/www |
| [20:46:47] | Dibblah: | sebo_: New install? |
| [20:46:48] | justinh: | sebo_: have you tried the documentation? |
| [20:47:06] | sebo_: | nex install yes and I've tried the doc |
| [20:47:13] | Dibblah: | If so, I would suggest reading and following Jarod's guide. |
| [20:47:15] | ** justinh points towards the tower of ubuntu's mystical /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt ** | |
| [20:47:18] | sebo_: | mythtv-HOWTO.pdf |
| [20:47:29] | Dibblah: | Oh, that's a good sign. |
| [20:47:35] | iamlindoro__: | downloaded from ????.blogspot.com no doubt |
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| [20:47:38] | Dibblah: | Someone made a cute PDF!... |
| [20:48:02] | sebo_: | Don't remember where i got that from |
| [20:48:03] | Dibblah: | sebo_: Seriously. Google jarod mythtv |
| [20:48:06] | Dibblah: | Follow it. |
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| [20:48:12] | sebo_: | ok thanks |
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| [20:48:48] | Dibblah: | And that means read each step (without skipping over it) and doing what it says in each step (again, without missing bits out) ;) |
| [20:48:56] | iamlindoro__: | I am going to write an extremely detailed mythtv howto that works completely... with one monkey wrench. |
| [20:49:06] | iamlindoro__: | the first line will be: rm -rf / |
| [20:49:37] | Dibblah: | Yes, I know "you don't have to do half of the instructions it gives there". But the more bits you miss out, the more likely it is that we will make fun of you ;) |
| [20:49:48] | sebo_: | Dibblah: you mean this -> http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php |
| [20:49:50] | iamlindoro__: | "Hey, I was following a myth howto and I couldn't even get the first step to complete!" |
| [20:49:53] | Dibblah: | Yeah. |
| [20:49:59] | sebo_: | ok |
| [20:54:11] | sebo_: | I have to create a new user? |
| [20:54:19] | sebo_: | Is taht necessary? |
| [20:54:42] | Andycasss: | iamlindoro__: Did you find anything interesting? |
| [20:54:57] | iamlindoro__: | sorry, just saw the messag |
| [20:54:58] | iamlindoro__: | e |
| [20:55:53] | Andycasss: | iamlindoro__: Hmm, it seems it has got to do something with the index options in my apache conf |
| [20:56:16] | Andycasss: | because when i use mysite.com/mythweb/mythweb.php, it works |
| [20:56:27] | iamlindoro__: | oh, there you go then :) |
| [20:56:28] | Andycasss: | Well, not really, it gives me database setup error |
| [20:56:42] | Dibblah: | sebo_: Bwahahaha. Ha. Ha. Ha. |
| [20:56:49] | Dibblah: | I did warn you... ;) |
| [20:56:51] | iamlindoro__: | Did you put your database login into into the mythweb.conf.apache? |
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| [20:57:27] | Andycasss: | umm, no :) |
| [20:57:45] | iamlindoro__: | Well that's why... It's cool, I only mentioned it twice ;) |
| [20:57:57] | Andycasss: | sorry :P |
| [20:58:44] | overridex: | haha |
| [20:59:07] | managementboy: | justinh: do you know if somewhere in the xorg.conf file the aspect ratio is set (maybe even for the nvidia driver)? |
| [20:59:27] | Dibblah: | managementboy: It's set from the displaysize. |
| [20:59:29] | Dibblah: | In X. |
| [20:59:45] | Dibblah: | ... Which is usually defined by the monitor's EDID. |
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| [21:00:25] | Dibblah: | managementboy: http://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig& . . . ch&meta= |
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| [21:02:18] | Andycasss: | Was there a file where i could see my mysql user and pass? |
| [21:02:34] | iamlindoro__: | Andycasss, ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [21:02:38] | Andycasss: | thanks |
| [21:03:55] | Andycasss: | seems like my db values are correct :/ It must be the authentication then? |
| [21:04:06] | iamlindoro__: | Depends on the screen you are seeing |
| [21:04:09] | Andycasss: | or the owner? |
| [21:04:24] | Andycasss: | Database Setup Error The database environment variables are not correctly set in the |
| [21:04:25] | Andycasss: | webserver conf or .htaccess file. |
| [21:04:53] | iamlindoro__: | Grey screen with a white message box in the middle? |
| [21:05:09] | Andycasss: | yes, thats the one |
| [21:05:30] | iamlindoro__: | Then it's almost certainly your .conf file... tell me what directory the mythweb.conf file you are editing is in |
| [21:05:58] | Andycasss: | in /var/www/mythweb .... thats wrong, isnt it? |
| [21:06:01] | iamlindoro__: | yep |
| [21:06:07] | Andycasss: | i should be editing the one in mythplugins? |
| [21:06:11] | iamlindoro__: | nope |
| [21:06:29] | Andycasss: | oh.. hmm |
| [21:06:30] | Kazan: | should be /var/www/html/mythweb |
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| [21:06:38] | iamlindoro__: | like I said before... mythweb.conf.apache needs to be changed to mythwen.conf |
| [21:06:42] | iamlindoro__: | Kazan, NO |
| [21:06:47] | iamlindoro__: | don't do what Kazan says |
| [21:06:58] | iamlindoro__: | er cp mythweb.conf.apache mythweb.conf |
| [21:07:01] | iamlindoro__: | THEN |
| [21:07:21] | iamlindoro__: | cp mythweb.conf /wherever/your/distro/has/apache2/conf.d/ |
| [21:07:26] | iamlindoro__: | *posssibly* |
| [21:07:36] | Andycasss: | I see, thanks ill do that |
| [21:07:37] | iamlindoro__: | cp mythweb.conf /etc/apache2/conf.d |
| [21:07:54] | Andycasss: | yup, thats the one – /etc/apache2/conf.d |
| [21:08:09] | iamlindoro__: | and it's mythweb.conf now, right? Not mythweb.conf.apache? |
| [21:08:32] | iamlindoro__: | now force-reload apache2 (sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload) |
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| [21:09:38] | Kazan: | iamlindoro__: where do you put your mythweb, eh? |
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| [21:09:48] | Kazan: | oh you were talking about the mythweb.conf |
| [21:09:58] | Andycasss: | sorry, but its still the same :( |
| [21:10:03] | Kazan: | i just stepped back and didn't read everything being discussed |
| [21:10:09] | iamlindoro__: | Kazan, In my distro's web directory... and Mine (*and* andycass') are not /var/www/html |
| [21:10:29] | iamlindoro__: | Andycass, pastebin the following: |
| [21:10:29] | Kazan: | iamlindoro__: thought /var/www/html was the standard location |
| [21:10:36] | iamlindoro__: | Kazan, Nope, it's per-distro |
| [21:11:14] | iamlindoro__: | Andycasss, pastebin the following: ls -al /etc/apache2/conf.d/* |
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| [21:11:28] | iamlindoro__: | cat /etc/apache2/conf.d/mythweb.conf |
| [21:11:50] | iamlindoro__: | ls -al /var/www |
| [21:11:55] | iamlindoro__: | All in one pastebin, please |
| [21:12:49] | Kazan: | hey janneg you there |
| [21:15:04] | justinh: | managementboy: if I wasn't busy with other stuff ($secret $squirrel) I'd have a bash at fixing it |
| [21:15:17] | Andycasss: | iamlindoro__: http://pastebin.com/dbb7f629 |
| [21:15:25] | justinh: | managementboy: you can fuddle DISPLAYSIZE quite easily |
| [21:15:43] | iamlindoro__: | hehehe |
| [21:15:46] | iamlindoro__: | there's the problem |
| [21:15:49] | iamlindoro__: | typo patrol |
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| [21:15:53] | justinh: | even with that my previous experience of mythgallery was that it didn't work with that either |
| [21:15:56] | iamlindoro__: | <Directory "/home/myyt/mythplugins/mythweb" > |
| [21:16:14] | iamlindoro__: | <Directory "/var/www/mythweb" > ought to do... |
| [21:16:20] | Andycasss: | ohh |
| [21:16:48] | justinh: | what's so wrong with following the install docs & doing what they suggest? (i.e. copying the contents of the mythweb plugin dir to a working dir under your apache stuff) ? ;) |
| [21:17:07] | iamlindoro__: | not to mention it wouldn't have worked before unless your user is called "myyt" ... which it may have been, I don't speak Estonian :) But I hear the women are gorgeous |
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| [21:18:23] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, He is following the install docs... I'm just reading them to him one step at a time ;) |
| [21:18:34] | iamlindoro__: | sometimes three or four times |
| [21:18:57] | justinh: | I could swear that some people seem to think I just religiously yell "read the documentation" for the sake of it, as if there's not a single useful nugget of useful information in them |
| [21:19:27] | iamlindoro__: | Documentation is for people who don't have a dedicated chat room for their personal troubleshooting |
| [21:19:32] | overridex: | see all i saw was <justinh> I could swear that some people seem to think I just religiously yell "ask justinh" for the sake of it, as if there's not a single useful nugget of useful information in them |
| [21:19:38] | overridex: | is that just me? ;) |
| [21:20:46] | justinh: | overridex: funny thing – my wife waxed her car the other weekend. she asked me what to do so I explained it. trouble was I assumed that her car was dry by that time. duh, so I asked her why she hadn't read the instructions on the container, she said "oh I just ask you". fucking typical, that is |
| [21:21:22] | overridex: | lol |
| [21:21:23] | Aval0n: | justinh: you mentioned that if a mkv was encoded in AVC a 3.4ghz p4 HT could play it okay? |
| [21:21:45] | Aval0n: | I have the transformers hd-dvd but I didn't wanna mess with ripping it myself so I d/led one |
| [21:21:48] | Aval0n: | but it's 10gig |
| [21:21:50] | justinh: | Aval0n: no I didn't. I said any h.264 encoded with AVC is even more of a git than usual to decode |
| [21:21:54] | Andycasss: | hm, now i get Error data directory is not writable by www-data. Please check permissions. |
| [21:21:57] | Aval0n: | oh |
| [21:22:04] | Aval0n: | ok sorry |
| [21:22:06] | Andycasss: | Thats because i cant chown for no reason :/ |
| [21:22:41] | managementboy: | justinh: thanks for the help, I am fiddling with all xorg settings right now |
| [21:23:07] | ** justinh whistles the "ahh but the massively sticks out like a sore thumb capitalised doc filename text says.." tune ** | |
| [21:23:33] | iamlindoro__: | Andycasss, justinh is right, c'mon now... everything I am giving you is in the mythweb README file |
| [21:23:46] | iamlindoro__: | er, actually, it's in the INSTALL |
| [21:24:25] | iamlindoro__: | all you have to do is modify it as appropriate for your directory names |
| [21:24:40] | justinh: | next will be the problem that apache doesn't have the right modules enabled, and then it'll be that the mysql server details in the .conf for mythweb are wrong ... |
| [21:24:46] | iamlindoro__: | ie, change " /wwww/htdocs/data" to "/var/www/mythweb/data" |
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| [21:25:16] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, hehehe, I already corrected the mysql bit ;) |
| [21:25:24] | justinh: | I hate the way apache has to be configured on ubuntu. until they make a nice gui for it – then I can excuse them |
| [21:26:34] | justinh: | well, it's been a few seconds & nobody's told me there's already a nicer way.. ;) |
| [21:29:05] | ** justinh scurrilously wonders what the multirec developers are going to do with all that money ** | |
| [21:29:28] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, was multirec a bounty-driven project? |
| [21:30:18] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: kind of .. http://mythtvmultiplex.osp.fi/ |
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| [21:30:35] | iamlindoro__: | Oh, ok, I think I recall seeing this before |
| [21:30:55] | justinh: | a bit fuzzy I think. a few people (myself included) worried it'd set a precedent |
| [21:31:39] | iamlindoro__: | I'll pay $50 to get mythtranscode fixed, does that count? :) |
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| [21:32:34] | justinh: | I'll pay $50 just to shut you up about it :P |
| [21:32:34] | iamlindoro__: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2077 --- $50. ;) |
| [21:32:37] | iamlindoro__: | haha |
| [21:32:43] | iamlindoro__: | Then we've got $100 together |
| [21:32:47] | iamlindoro__: | good start |
| [21:33:10] | justinh: | at current exchange rates I can afford to :) |
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| [21:33:23] | iamlindoro__: | *sigh*, isn't that the truth |
| [21:33:53] | justinh: | I'm skintos again. or rather I will be at the end of the month. car service, MOT test & road tax :( |
| [21:34:03] | justinh: | need to bung a new theme out to inspire some more donations |
| [21:34:34] | justinh: | actually more folks donated when they were GPL'd. hmmmm |
| [21:34:49] | justinh: | might've cut off my nose & spited my face there |
| [21:35:09] | iamlindoro__: | Script a new theme to download something from a flickr stream and make all the buttons look like post it notes, so it looks *really* shitty... then you can call it LinuxMCE-wide |
| [21:35:47] | justinh: | they wanna do a lot about that ya know. a whole lot |
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| [21:36:25] | iamlindoro__: | Good! I pledge to try it the day it becomes bearable |
| [21:36:54] | iamlindoro__: | you're not going soft on LinuxMCE on me, are you? |
| [21:37:02] | justinh: | talk of it being KDE's media centre thing concerns me |
| [21:37:16] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro: the 1080p movie plays ok on my core duo |
| [21:37:22] | Aval0n: | 1.82ghz |
| [21:37:28] | justinh: | Aval0n: in mythfrontend? |
| [21:37:30] | Aval0n: | no |
| [21:37:33] | justinh: | heh |
| [21:37:33] | Aval0n: | using vlc in windows |
| [21:37:41] | Aval0n: | mythtv frontend skips it like crazy |
| [21:37:42] | iamlindoro__: | Aval0n, OK... Weren't you the one who said you downloaded it? |
| [21:37:50] | Aval0n: | yes |
| [21:37:55] | justinh: | got some bad news for ya there |
| [21:37:55] | iamlindoro__: | Well on windows it's probably using your cards hardware accel |
| [21:37:59] | Aval0n: | ahh ok |
| [21:38:09] | iamlindoro__: | plus, your downloaded version is *severely* reduced from an actual rip |
| [21:38:14] | Aval0n: | and linux doesn't support that? |
| [21:38:17] | justinh: | in linux, multithreaded playback relies on the stream being in slices |
| [21:38:29] | justinh: | and downloaded stuff ain't generally |
| [21:38:36] | Aval0n: | it says it's full 1080p |
| [21:38:39] | iamlindoro__: | The bitrate on your download is half the bitrate of a real rip |
| [21:38:40] | Aval0n: | not a 720p rip |
| [21:38:49] | Aval0n: | I'm ok with that |
| [21:38:49] | iamlindoro__: | Avalon, res means less than nothing |
| [21:38:52] | Aval0n: | it looks amazing |
| [21:38:55] | alexvd: | I am running a old server for my backend. It only has 128megs of Rdram and this is causing disk swap. I have the option to upgrade using either pc100 or pc800 rdram. RDRAM is expensive so I was wondering if using pc100 on the mythbackend would hurt performance alot vs rdram at 800mhz. Does it matter if all i am doing is capturing and streaming video? |
| [21:38:56] | Aval0n: | better than any of my dvds upscaled |
| [21:39:17] | Aval0n: | aren'y you playing x264 stuff in linux iamlindoro? |
| [21:39:20] | iamlindoro__: | Doesn't matter... because I've *actually* ripped a real Transformers HD-DVD, and it's 23 GB... so they cut the bitrate more than in half |
| [21:39:20] | Aval0n: | aren't* |
| [21:39:38] | Aval0n: | they cut out languages and black bars |
| [21:39:41] | Aval0n: | it says in the nfo |
| [21:39:46] | Aval0n: | you're probably right though |
| [21:39:46] | iamlindoro__: | Yes, I am, but I play back with real rips, and have heavily patched mplayer playing multithreaded |
| [21:39:50] | Aval0n: | it still looks awesome |
| [21:39:59] | justinh: | alexvd: probably not. more than 256MB for a backend is recommended |
| [21:40:06] | Aval0n: | you helped me install the mplayer svn |
| [21:40:10] | Aval0n: | before |
| [21:40:17] | Aval0n: | I wonder if it will work |
| [21:40:26] | alexvd: | justinh: yeah I want to upgrade to 1gb to be sure but its 500bucks vs 250 |
| [21:40:29] | justinh: | Aval0n: multithreaded playback will only help if the file is properly encoded |
| [21:40:45] | iamlindoro__: | I don't know... there are some clever ways to make mplayer run faster and multithreaded, but 1.83 Ghz is cutting it pretty darn close |
| [21:40:58] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro: the 1.83 is just my laptop |
| [21:41:01] | iamlindoro__: | my 2.2 Ghz Core 2 has trouble sometimes with real rips |
| [21:41:05] | Aval0n: | running vlc on windows |
| [21:41:06] | iamlindoro__: | at 1080p, anyway |
| [21:41:22] | Aval0n: | my myth system is 3.4ghz p4 HT |
| [21:41:31] | Aval0n: | can I multithread with the HT chip? |
| [21:41:32] | iamlindoro__: | Hmmm.... I have my doubts about that one |
| [21:41:36] | alexvd: | justinh: the question is will using pc100 at only 100mhz be adequate for just mythbackend |
| [21:41:39] | iamlindoro__: | no, I don't beleive so |
| [21:41:44] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [21:41:51] | justinh: | alexvd: in terms of a mythtv system more ram is prolly better than less ram which is faster |
| [21:42:13] | Aval0n: | bummer |
| [21:42:22] | Aval0n: | when I get home I'll try to use mplayer |
| [21:42:33] | Aval0n: | I'll let you know how it goes |
| [21:42:35] | iamlindoro__: | the most important thing when playing with mplayer on a marginal system is -lavdopts threads=4:fast:skiploopfilter=all -sws 0 |
| [21:42:38] | justinh: | IIRC I only have 512MB of PC133 in my backend. it's fine recording 3 shows at once & streaming to a frontend, and doing loads of other stuff |
| [21:42:44] | iamlindoro__: | well, threads may not help you on that P4 |
| [21:42:54] | iamlindoro__: | but skiploopfilter and -sws 0 are probably essential |
| [21:43:52] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro: can you give me the full string that I'de have to put in myth? |
| [21:43:56] | alexvd: | i have 5 tuners in that box that is why i am asking |
| [21:44:08] | iamlindoro__: | I use: |
| [21:44:14] | iamlindoro__: | mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv -monitoraspect 16:9 -lavdopts threads=4:fast:skiploopfilter=all -sws 0 % |
| [21:44:25] | Aval0n: | thank you very much iamlindoro, you're very helpful |
| [21:44:26] | iamlindoro__: | er %s |
| [21:44:30] | justinh: | awghhhh 20 secs of lag |
| [21:44:30] | justinh: | bye bye broadband again |
| [21:44:32] | alexvd: | so 1gb of pc100 is adequate for a mythbackend |
| [21:44:42] | Aval0n: | so mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv -monitoraspect 16:9 -lavdopts threads=4:fast:skiploopfilter=all -sws 0 %s ? |
| [21:44:47] | iamlindoro__: | Aval0n, no problem. |
| [21:44:48] | iamlindoro__: | yes |
| [21:44:53] | Aval0n: | great thanks so much. |
| [21:44:56] | iamlindoro__: | that bypasses *all* filtering |
| [21:45:02] | iamlindoro__: | so it's about as fast as you can get it |
| [21:45:13] | Aval0n: | excellent I will give you the results when I try it |
| [21:45:18] | iamlindoro__: | that's what I use on my C2D 2.2 Ghz |
| [21:45:23] | Aval0n: | I'm ok with with the rips that are 10gig |
| [21:45:28] | Aval0n: | it really looks great |
| [21:45:35] | Aval0n: | much better than my upscaling dvd player |
| [21:45:42] | alexvd: | iamlindoro: i just bought a LG blueray/hddvd and read that you cant play blueray on linux is that true? |
| [21:45:43] | iamlindoro__: | Well, yeah, I should hope so |
| [21:45:47] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [21:46:00] | Aval0n: | my wife bought me the transformers hd-dvd for christmas |
| [21:46:12] | Aval0n: | I couldn't bring myself to tell her that we don't have a hd-dvd player lol |
| [21:46:27] | iamlindoro__: | alexvd, Yes, it's true, but it's possible to rip movies.... although probably not okay to discuss that in-channel... and playing back the files is a chore, for many reasons |
| [21:47:12] | iamlindoro__: | mostly because the linux players don't support the audio formats at all yet, without finding verious patches and applying them while compiling yourself |
| [21:47:16] | alexvd: | right i read about all the issues. I plan to rip them anyway but you can play them in mplayer. I thought they just had problems with audio codecs and the full stream |
| [21:47:23] | alexvd: | ok beat me to it |
| [21:47:29] | iamlindoro__: | Which I have *no* intention of supporting everyone doing |
| [21:47:51] | Aval0n: | it's my dream to have a blue-ray drive in the myth boxen and to play them in there |
| [21:47:56] | Aval0n: | but I doubt it will ever happen |
| [21:48:00] | iamlindoro__: | Because it's enough of a chore for me, and I actually *know* what I'm doing |
| [21:48:06] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [21:48:21] | iamlindoro__: | although |
| [21:48:24] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro: send me an image of you drive :P |
| [21:48:26] | Aval0n: | hahah |
| [21:48:28] | Aval0n: | kidding |
| [21:48:31] | iamlindoro__: | I do make my .debs available and I'll go no further :) |
| [21:48:42] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [21:48:53] | Aval0n: | I'll ask you about that later haha |
| [21:48:53] | alexvd: | :) |
| [21:48:54] | iamlindoro__: | So, presuming one has 64 bit Ubuntu they can have all the patched mplayer they like, they're right there on the web |
| [21:49:07] | Aval0n: | hmm 32-bit |
| [21:49:10] | Aval0n: | ahh well |
| [21:49:10] | alexvd: | only runing 32bit |
| [21:49:12] | alexvd: | dang |
| [21:49:17] | iamlindoro__: | alas, my heart breaks |
| [21:49:19] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [21:49:20] | Aval0n: | hahah |
| [21:49:20] | alexvd: | i could upgrade the frontend though |
| [21:49:23] | alexvd: | np |
| [21:50:17] | iamlindoro__: | http://idisk.mac.com/r.mcnamara-Public/?view=web |
| [21:50:20] | iamlindoro__: | Do with them what you will |
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| [21:58:08] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro: does the bitrate make a huge difference on image quality |
| [21:58:35] | Aval0n: | I remember when I was initially changing my recording profile bitrates and people in here were flaming me for making them too high becaue they were saying that quality wouldn't improve. |
| [21:58:52] | iamlindoro__: | Bitrate is there *is* to image wuality |
| [21:58:54] | iamlindoro__: | er wuality |
| [21:59:01] | iamlindoro__: | er is all there is to image quality |
| [21:59:08] | Aval0n: | ? |
| [21:59:16] | Aval0n: | oh |
| [21:59:17] | Aval0n: | I got aya |
| [21:59:18] | Aval0n: | ya |
| [21:59:41] | iamlindoro__: | After a point when you're encoding a low quality source, you reach a point of diminishing returns |
| [21:59:51] | Aval0n: | I remember being linked to graphs and whatnot that showed the quality topped out at a certain point or something |
| [21:59:52] | iamlindoro__: | ie encoding your crappy analog signal beyond a point is a waste |
| [22:00:02] | Aval0n: | ahh got ya |
| [22:00:07] | iamlindoro__: | But when you are encoding a film source... the more bitrate, the higher, generally, the image quality |
| [22:00:37] | iamlindoro__: | And even with that, you reach a point of diminishing returns, but it is much, much, much higher |
| [22:00:57] | iamlindoro__: | and that point is probably beyond what we have the horsepower to play today, so a non issue |
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| [22:01:11] | Aval0n: | what do most people set birates to for analog cable? |
| [22:01:14] | Aval0n: | what ranges typically |
| [22:01:40] | iamlindoro__: | Oh, I don't know... I would think that anything beyond 5–6000 Kb/s is a total waste |
| [22:01:46] | iamlindoro__: | And even that is awful high |
| [22:01:55] | Aval0n: | ahh ok |
| [22:02:00] | Aval0n: | I have mine at like 7000 |
| [22:02:24] | Aval0n: | I'll have to crank it down |
| [22:02:48] | iamlindoro__: | To give you an idea, if a 2 hour movie at 1080 is 10 gig, that's probably floating aroung 15 Mbit, or 15000 Kb/s |
| [22:03:09] | iamlindoro__: | True Blu-ray and HD-DVD rips sit at about 35–45 Mbit, or 35–45000 Kb/s |
| [22:03:18] | Aval0n: | ahh ok |
| [22:03:34] | Aval0n: | so the real thing could be DOUBLE the quality eh |
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| [22:03:42] | javatexan: | howdy all! |
| [22:03:54] | bagpuss_thecat: | evening |
| [22:04:10] | iamlindoro__: | Aval0n, Theoretically, yeah... whether your average joe would notice it? Hmmm, maybe not, maybe so... for me it's most apparent in solid colors, the sky, and backgrounds. |
| [22:04:30] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [22:04:38] | Aval0n: | what about ATSC HD tv |
| [22:04:44] | Aval0n: | what is that typically? |
| [22:04:49] | iamlindoro__: | 18 Mbit max |
| [22:04:56] | javatexan: | will mythtv automaticall zoom any resolution 4:3....in other words, do I really need to be making mp4s at 640x480 or can I get away with a good picture at a lower resolution? |
| [22:04:57] | Aval0n: | ahh ok |
| [22:05:00] | iamlindoro__: | Because that's what fits in a single channel's bandwidth |
| [22:05:04] | Dibblah: | janneg: I recall the original going in of that retune. |
| [22:05:05] | justinh: | heh another insinuation that there's 'no animation' in themes because theme designers can't be bothered |
| [22:05:23] | Dibblah: | I'm fairly sure it was a workaround for something. |
| [22:05:25] | Dibblah: | Ah, yes. |
| [22:05:40] | janneg: | Dibblah: is it badly needed? |
| [22:05:43] | Dibblah: | Two satellites with the same transponder frequencies. |
| [22:06:00] | Dibblah: | Dish rotates, but no lock, ISTR. |
| [22:06:07] | Aval0n: | justinh: who was insinuating that? |
| [22:06:07] | Dibblah: | Switch switches, etc. |
| [22:06:20] | Dibblah: | janneg: I don't know. Wait for complaints ;) |
| [22:06:30] | justinh: | Aval0n: just some guy. happens from time to time |
| [22:06:40] | Aval0n: | ahh |
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| [22:06:48] | justinh: | paulh made it clear & I pushed the point further home |
| [22:06:54] | Aval0n: | is animation intended to be added at some point? |
| [22:07:12] | justinh: | classes are in there that are capable of it |
| [22:07:29] | janneg: | Dibblah: so the DiSeqC code should indicate that a retune is strictly needed |
| [22:07:40] | justinh: | just needs tying together n stuff. oh and the small matter of porting the rest of the ui code to those classes |
| [22:07:49] | justinh: | oops did I say small? ;) |
| [22:07:51] | Aval0n: | ahhh |
| [22:07:55] | Dibblah: | I _think_ that was the reason. I am not 100% sure, it was a long time ago. |
| [22:08:03] | Aval0n: | but do they intend to do it :) |
| [22:08:23] | justinh: | Aval0n: 'they' being somebody I know wanting to work on it, and me (if I can) among others, yes! |
| [22:08:33] | Aval0n: | haha cool |
| [22:08:35] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [22:08:47] | janneg: | Dibblah: I add that to the ticket |
| [22:09:18] | justinh: | a proviso I'd have is that it's only ok if it adds something. if we have to wait around for things to move (think how slow menu items on the appletv move) then no |
| [22:09:44] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [22:10:00] | Aval0n: | I like animation |
| [22:10:02] | Aval0n: | that's just me |
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| [22:10:04] | Aval0n: | hehe |
| [22:10:06] | justinh: | slick is no good if it's not fast & slick |
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| [22:10:11] | Aval0n: | true |
| [22:10:19] | iamlindoro__: | I was about to say that most of our mythboxen aren't underblocked old pantium Ms... but I've heard what some people run their myth boxes on |
| [22:10:23] | Aval0n: | what is that other app that has animation for linux |
| [22:10:25] | iamlindoro__: | er underclocked |
| [22:10:26] | Aval0n: | that uses mythtv |
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| [22:10:35] | ** iamlindoro__ senses a headache coming on ** | |
| [22:10:39] | Dibblah: | janneg: Ah, that's nasty. svn blame doesn't follow branches. :( |
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| [22:10:52] | Dibblah: | ... And the branch isn't there any more. Bugger. |
| [22:10:54] | Aval0n: | it's ugly |
| [22:11:02] | Aval0n: | can't remember what it's named |
| [22:11:09] | justinh: | Aval0n: linux*** – even there a lot of the UI is hard-coded |
| [22:11:13] | Dibblah: | r10585 was where it was added, with the DiSEqC branch merge. |
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| [22:11:34] | justinh: | you got the cube page turn effect.. or the... er.. hmmm .. erm... |
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| [22:11:50] | iamlindoro__: | You can have any animation you want so long as it's a cube turning. |
| [22:12:00] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [22:12:10] | iamlindoro__: | And you can have any photo stream you want so long as it's flickr. |
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| [22:12:34] | janneg: | Dibblah: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/10493/ |
| [22:12:54] | janneg: | was the commit in the diseqc branch |
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| [22:13:43] | Dibblah: | janneg: Right. Thanks! |
| [22:13:53] | janneg: | Dibblah: if we continue on the subject #mythtv would be more appropiate |
| [22:14:03] | Dibblah: | janneg: Sorry! |
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| [22:16:24] | janneg: | no problem, I'm discussing it with gnome42 already in #mythtv and pasted that changeset 30 minutes ago there |
| [22:17:01] | willcooke: | justinh, http://www.pastebin.ca/855285 |
| [22:17:50] | iamlindoro__: | Only ten encoders? What if you need to watch 11 things that re on at once?? What then??? |
| [22:18:43] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, I have five encoders and I have a hard time finding *one* thing worth watching |
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| [22:20:41] | willcooke: | hehe – I know – I think I've once used 3 of my 4 cards – but what the hell! |
| [22:21:16] | alexvd: | i have 6 encoder and use them all |
| [22:21:24] | willcooke: | sweet! |
| [22:23:01] | alexvd: | if you have tv's tuned to business news or sports you tend to eat tuners |
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| [22:25:08] | willcooke: | alexvd, is that in a commercial setup then? |
| [22:25:26] | CaptObviousman: | hmm, configure for mythtv mentions "front end" and "back end" |
| [22:25:31] | alexvd: | willcooke: hardly just for my casa |
| [22:25:34] | CaptObviousman: | which indicates I can choose to build just one part? |
| [22:25:37] | ** CaptObviousman hopes ** | |
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| [22:26:01] | sn9: | [Mon 14 Jan 2008 01:58:21 PM PST] ! <iamlindoro__> Oh, I don't know... I would think that anything beyond 5–6000 Kb/s is a total waste <-- on my pvrusb2, anything below 6000Kbps exhibits a noticeable degradation |
| [22:26:02] | willcooke: | CaptObviousman, you can – but it's not supported |
| [22:26:16] | CaptObviousman: | how do you mean unsupported |
| [22:26:42] | iamlindoro__: | sn9, what bitrate are you encoding at for your analog stuff? |
| [22:27:05] | justinh: | only 10? letting the side down a bit there willcooke |
| [22:27:12] | willcooke: | That if you build just the frontend and it doesnt work then you're on your own. That said, I build the backend with out the front sometimes and it works for me. Never tried the other way around |
| [22:27:34] | CaptObviousman: | willcooke: that's exactly what I'm trying ot accomplish |
| [22:27:42] | willcooke: | justinh, it's my ancient hardware letting me down |
| [22:27:53] | justinh: | oh not this --disable-backend config malarkey again |
| [22:27:53] | willcooke: | CaptObviousman, backend with out the front? GFI |
| [22:28:06] | CaptObviousman: | GFI = ? |
| [22:28:06] | sn9: | iamlindoro__: i haven't paid close attention to the framegrabber bitrate, but on the pvrusb2, i set the range to 6–8M or 6–9M |
| [22:28:10] | willcooke: | Go For It |
| [22:28:13] | CaptObviousman: | oh, right |
| [22:28:24] | justinh: | even the configure script says it's not supported |
| [22:28:38] | iamlindoro__: | i think most people here would say that 6–9 Mbit for analog recording is a waste... but to each his own |
| [22:28:46] | ** CaptObviousman didn't see it in configure options ** | |
| [22:28:55] | sn9: | not for recording — for testing live |
| [22:28:58] | justinh: | CaptObviousman: it's so unsupported it's not listed |
| [22:29:01] | ** CaptObviousman will try --disable-frontend ** | |
| [22:29:04] | CaptObviousman: | heh |
| [22:29:08] | alexvd: | iamlindoro__: what about for directv |
| [22:29:12] | justinh: | it used to be listed with warnings |
| [22:29:22] | iamlindoro__: | with directv it |
| [22:29:22] | sn9: | for recording, i'd likely set it to 5–7 |
| [22:29:26] | iamlindoro__: | 's still just analog TV |
| [22:29:29] | alexvd: | right |
| [22:29:34] | iamlindoro__: | So no difference |
| [22:29:41] | alexvd: | so above 6000 is a waste? |
| [22:29:46] | justinh: | CaptObviousman: just edit the .pro file so it doesn't install the frontend part – or is it dependencies you're worried about? |
| [22:29:47] | iamlindoro__: | I wouldn't max out any higher than 6, personally |
| [22:30:03] | justinh: | alexvd: experiment |
| [22:30:09] | CaptObviousman: | justinh: not just dependencies. I'm just trying to keep fluff down |
| [22:30:18] | willcooke: | right – I'm going to watch all the channels at once. ta tra |
| [22:30:18] | alexvd: | justinh: have been for three years :) |
| [22:30:22] | sn9: | alexvd: yes, experiment; that's how i got my numbers |
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| [22:30:24] | justinh: | CaptObviousman: it really won't save you much space |
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| [22:30:27] | iamlindoro__: | It's a matter of taste and perception... |
| [22:30:45] | alexvd: | I dont find too much space saving and still get pixelation at 8000 |
| [22:30:55] | alexvd: | or blockiness |
| [22:31:03] | alexvd: | cant tell what to call it |
| [22:31:07] | janneg: | CaptObviousman: --disable-frontend is not supported and only intended for porting |
| [22:31:11] | sn9: | alexvd: on cable? you must have shit wiring |
| [22:31:12] | justinh: | alexvd: depends how much noise your analogue signal has |
| [22:31:18] | ** CaptObviousman decides to just build 'em both ** | |
| [22:31:21] | alexvd: | directv |
| [22:31:22] | iamlindoro__: | the reality is, thanks to the digital->analog->digital step, analog recording as *always* going to look like ass |
| [22:31:23] | CaptObviousman: | another binary won't hurt |
| [22:31:44] | justinh: | CaptObviousman: seriously you might save maybe 20 megs.. that's just a number plucked out of the air |
| [22:32:03] | sn9: | alexvd: you _are_ using s-vid, right? |
| [22:32:05] | ** CaptObviousman takes your advice and builds 'em both ** | |
| [22:32:06] | iamlindoro__: | It's just a matter of mitigating the assiness |
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| [22:32:17] | justinh: | you can always delete extra stuff later if you're that keen on space saving CaptObviousman |
| [22:32:23] | alexvd: | my atsc looks good although for some reason (more than likely the nvidia 1080i interlacing bug) 720p looks smoother and better than 1080i on a native 1080i set |
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| [22:32:36] | CaptObviousman: | it's not so much about saving space |
| [22:32:45] | CaptObviousman: | it's the principle of the thing, which you can see doesn't mean much |
| [22:32:50] | alexvd: | sn9: yeah of course, even fell for the monster cable thing all those years ago |
| [22:32:58] | justinh: | you know it'd be really nice in this new age of all-progressive displays, if content matched it |
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| [22:33:56] | justinh: | then again I find that films at the cinema don't look as smooth as they should, being 24p and all |
| [22:34:40] | CaptObviousman: | it's kinda cool, I already had all the deps required to compile. I thought I was going to have to fight it |
| [22:34:53] | sn9: | alexvd: you know what? capture and record in hi-def, then downscale to 480i, and feed it over an RF modulator. then you won't notice the pixelation anymore... ;-> |
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| [22:35:07] | keith4: | is there any chance of running mythtv-frontend on windows? |
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| [22:35:31] | keith4: | i have a tiny box under my TV that i just got a new video card for, but the nvidia driver doesn't play well with it |
| [22:35:36] | alexvd: | sn9: nice why not connect a vcr too |
| [22:35:41] | keith4: | and i'm jonesing for some myth |
| [22:35:44] | javatexan: | will mplayer -zoom any 4:3 resolution to mythtv size? |
| [22:35:53] | iamlindoro__: | hmm, anyone know what's up with mythcommflag giving "AFD Error: Could not find codec parameters." on a h.264/AC3 file? |
| [22:36:11] | javatexan: | has anyone tried encoding movies at something less than 640x480? |
| [22:36:30] | keith4: | sure, for the ipod video |
| [22:36:47] | javatexan: | for on the TV sorry |
| [22:37:11] | justinh: | javatexan: certain transcodes at 360x288 or whatever can look ok if done right |
| [22:37:12] | javatexan: | ipod is what resolution again? |
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| [22:37:22] | iamlindoro__: | depends the ipod |
| [22:37:24] | justinh: | javatexan: up to 840x480 :P |
| [22:37:25] | javatexan: | reallly? |
| [22:37:30] | justinh: | er 640x480 |
| [22:37:31] | keith4: | the new ones, yah |
| [22:37:36] | justinh: | or 320x240 |
| [22:37:37] | javatexan: | wow |
| [22:37:38] | keith4: | i have what they call an "ipod classic" now |
| [22:37:46] | keith4: | i.e. ipod video 30G |
| [22:38:13] | justinh: | if you deinterlace interlaced video you can get away with halving the vertical res as you encode :) |
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| [22:38:44] | justinh: | hell if you're semi myopic you could maybe get away with 240x128 or something :P |
| [22:38:53] | keith4: | why would you do that? |
| [22:38:56] | keith4: | disk space is so cheap |
| [22:39:06] | justinh: | make some short clips & experiment! |
| [22:39:08] | javatexan: | well I have some mp4 for the ipod and they look pretty bad....but they were auto created from another app |
| [22:39:24] | justinh: | keith4: that's my argument against transcoding. plus it takes valuable time |
| [22:39:27] | javatexan: | so I dont know what they used |
| [22:39:43] | justinh: | ffmpeg commandline ftw |
| [22:40:02] | javatexan: | i have to use mencoder for the meantime |
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| [22:40:11] | keith4: | i only transcode so the damn PS3 can play the audio |
| [22:40:13] | javatexan: | ffmpeg is broked |
| [22:40:13] | justinh: | ffmpeg has a few guis for it now |
| [22:40:36] | justinh: | and fwiw it pays to build your own ffmpeg |
| [22:41:07] | javatexan: | justinh: how come...binary vs native compiled? |
| [22:41:29] | justinh: | because ubuntu cripples theirs |
| [22:41:35] | javatexan: | I am afraid I will never get myth to run again if I do that |
| [22:41:42] | javatexan: | what do you mean cripple |
| [22:41:58] | justinh: | I mean disables useful (propriatary/patented) codecs |
| [22:42:05] | javatexan: | i see |
| [22:42:11] | GreyFoxx: | keith4: What kind of audio was it that wasn't working ? |
| [22:42:32] | justinh: | javatexan: mythtv doesn't use ffmpeg libraries. it has its own from ffmpeg but they're not the same |
| [22:42:33] | keith4: | GreyFoxx: whatever the pcHDTV5500 is recording using the digital tuner |
| [22:42:40] | keith4: | either digital SD or HD |
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| [22:43:07] | javatexan: | if i compile and install, will it overwrite the one I have or will i have two copies |
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| [22:43:16] | keith4: | GreyFoxx: i'd be happy to provide more info, but I don't know how to |
| [22:43:18] | justinh: | I mean mythtv _uses_ ffmpeg libraries but they'll safely exist with ones outside mythtv |
| [22:43:27] | GreyFoxx: | keith4: Well the tuner has nothing to do with that, ?It's the source that's encoding the audio :) |
| [22:43:34] | keith4: | right |
| [22:43:37] | GreyFoxx: | Was mostly curious if it was AC3 or something :) |
| [22:43:40] | keith4: | so, whatever the cable company sends |
| [22:43:44] | GreyFoxx: | I don't really know what a PS3 will play |
| [22:43:51] | keith4: | how would I figure out what it is? |
| [22:43:56] | javatexan: | unfortunately that is the problem with installing mythbuntu, Its hard to know what they did |
| [22:43:57] | justinh: | keith4: ffmpeg :) |
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| [22:44:07] | keith4: | stuff recorded using analog tuner plays fine on the PS3 |
| [22:44:16] | justinh: | javatexan: you'll be fine building your own ffmpeg. I've done it on my ubuntu backend & it's fine |
| [22:44:24] | keith4: | justinh: ffmpeg? |
| [22:44:41] | justinh: | keith4: ffmpeg -i will tell you all about the file you want |
| [22:44:46] | keith4: | ok |
| [22:44:51] | justinh: | codecs used, bitrate etc |
| [22:45:08] | javatexan: | do you have a resource to follow or is it pretty plain jane...download source ./configure ./install |
| [22:45:09] | justinh: | number of streams, size of frames.. |
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| [22:45:14] | k-man: | hello |
| [22:45:27] | javatexan: | howdy |
| [22:45:28] | justinh: | javatexan: pretty simple IIRC. there are even guides on ubuntu howtos for it |
| [22:45:40] | keith4: | so.... this doesn't have audio on the PS3, but it LOOKS amazing: |
| [22:45:41] | keith4: | Stream #0.0[0x840]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 1280x720, 19000 kb/s, 59.94 fps(r) |
| [22:45:41] | keith4: | Stream #0.1[0x841](eng): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5:1, 448 kb/s |
| [22:45:43] | k-man: | can anyone recommend a good wireless keyboard? |
| [22:45:54] | ** justinh hands k-man a pair of cutters ** | |
| [22:45:57] | k-man: | i had a microsoft MCE keyboard but it wasn't good enough |
| [22:45:59] | justinh: | tada! |
| [22:46:20] | javatexan: | lol |
| [22:46:20] | k-man: | justinh, cool idea.. ill be back soon |
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| [22:46:29] | keith4: | GreyFoxx: it is AC3 |
| [22:46:31] | justinh: | good enough range? looks good enough? more keys? que? |
| [22:46:39] | iamlindoro__: | ah-hah... ok, here's a question, what container formats will mythcommflag handle? It appears it doesn't like .mp4 |
| [22:46:40] | javatexan: | I guess I can do that will mencoder is working? |
| [22:46:44] | javatexan: | ;) |
| [22:47:16] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: should like anything ffmpeg likes in theory – or at least what ffmpeg liked when it was synced into mythtv trunk |
| [22:47:53] | iamlindoro__: | Yeah, one would think... but I transcoded a recording from mpeg-2/ac3 -> h.264/ac3 and reimported into the database and mythcommflag won't run |
| [22:48:06] | keith4: | GreyFoxx: the stuff that DOES play audio on PS3 is mp2 audio |
| [22:48:21] | javatexan: | NO@@@@@!!!!!! |
| [22:48:49] | javatexan: | bad iamlindoro |
| [22:48:52] | javatexan: | ;) |
| [22:49:00] | iamlindoro__: | and why is that? |
| [22:49:00] | justinh: | keith4 you need that 'autotranscoding according to what the player wants' backend upnp thingy. except that it doesn't exist yet |
| [22:49:07] | javatexan: | I was hoping to script that part next.....doh |
| [22:49:11] | javatexan: | ;) |
| [22:49:17] | iamlindoro__: | oh... well, I already did ;) |
| [22:49:39] | javatexan: | lol...I thought you said mythcommflag doesnt work |
| [22:49:42] | javatexan: | on mp4 |
| [22:49:43] | iamlindoro__: | apparently doesn't work for shit though |
| [22:49:51] | javatexan: | LOL |
| [22:50:01] | iamlindoro__: | well, I always err on the side of it being my fault until proven otherwise |
| [22:50:07] | keith4: | justinh: that sounds sexy |
| [22:50:13] | keith4: | let me know when it's ready ;-) |
| [22:50:17] | javatexan: | what does the script look like? |
| [22:50:29] | iamlindoro__: | I'm not sharing until it works ;) |
| [22:50:35] | javatexan: | other than a bunch of ascii chars in a file |
| [22:50:41] | iamlindoro__: | but sorta like a bunch of characters in lines and rows |
| [22:50:50] | javatexan: | LOL......LMAO |
| [22:50:52] | keith4: | actually, it surprises me that the PS3 won't play AC3 over UPnP. I think it can generate AC3 over HDMI or optical |
| [22:51:54] | justinh: | never surprises me when I hear a 'upnp something' throws wobblers over file types |
| [22:53:18] | tjcarter: | iMovie/iDVD will make and play back MPEG2, but you'd better buy the component if you want to be able to do so on your own terms. |
| [22:53:25] | tjcarter: | or install Perian ;) |
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| [22:53:57] | justinh: | man I need to talk to paulh. just re-read his post on http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/309890 and now I'm all hot & bothered |
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| [22:57:43] | javatexan: | what....youre not humble |
| [22:57:48] | javatexan: | ;) |
| [22:58:10] | justinh: | ? |
| [22:58:35] | javatexan: | nothin you said iMHO and I was teasing you |
| [22:58:58] | blackest: | wtf is mepo is that supposed to be a penguin |
| [22:59:10] | justinh: | MediaPortal's mascot, FYI |
| [22:59:32] | javatexan: | why is the animation thing an issue....the only thing animated on tivo is the little tivo guy and the windows fly in and out like a powerpoint presentation |
| [22:59:48] | justinh: | javatexan: because! |
| [22:59:52] | justinh: | right?! |
| [22:59:54] | javatexan: | big deal |
| [22:59:56] | justinh: | ;) |
| [22:59:58] | javatexan: | ;) |
| [23:00:08] | jams: | thats about the best reason i have heard so far |
| [23:00:34] | justinh: | I know, I've been looking at animated menus for ages now & I can't see a compelling reason for them other than 'coolness' |
| [23:00:47] | justinh: | and 'coolness' isn't a compelling reason really |
| [23:00:48] | alexvd: | what is wrong with coolness? |
| [23:01:03] | javatexan: | make mythtv like the old does menu batch scripts LOL |
| [23:01:14] | javatexan: | s/does/dos/i |
| [23:01:20] | blackest: | depends animated previews can be quite cool if a little spooky |
| [23:01:46] | justinh: | like I said in my post, if we can get it without slowing everything down & being a mess ( think AppleTV & MCE, linuxmce, XBMC, elisa, frontrow..) |
| [23:02:05] | javatexan: | he just wants something else to 'finish' out the lonely bachelor pad.... |
| [23:02:29] | justinh: | at the end of the day I think it's what separates computers from standalone devices. I mean, look at the UIs on those network media players ffs |
| [23:02:48] | alexvd: | yeah they suck and my company makes them |
| [23:02:55] | javatexan: | LOL |
| [23:03:14] | blackest: | I did a dvd with 32 chapters on a cpl of pages with animated menu buttons made from the first 30 seconds of each chapter this was basically a family home video thing and babys movin round in little buttons is a tad spooky |
| [23:03:23] | alexvd: | now if we buy tivo well i may have to hide my mythtv box |
| [23:03:37] | javatexan: | i have a tivo |
| [23:03:42] | javatexan: | its fun |
| [23:03:43] | justinh: | some smooth scrolling wouldn't go amiss. zoomfade I can live without |
| [23:04:19] | alexvd: | u cant get sued by apple for borrowing the video transition thing right? |
| [23:04:21] | justinh: | the select bar in menus/lists moving smoothly (but quickly) would be nice. subtle touches |
| [23:04:34] | blackest: | what are you thinking about justin transition effects ? |
| [23:04:55] | javatexan: | alexvd: i have them both hooked up so the kids can watch their batman, superman, justice league, blues clues, horseland, etc |
| [23:05:19] | justinh: | I'm saying it's really only worth having new visuals if they add something somehow |
| [23:05:34] | justinh: | and not just 'coolness' |
| [23:06:01] | alexvd: | javatexan: no i mean my company owns set top box for cable and dvr and media extenders and they like to see us eat our dog food and be good company cheer leaders |
| [23:06:19] | blackest: | speed is about the best thing you can have in a menu system |
| [23:06:27] | justinh: | like what if the program description area in the guide could scroll? or if a long filename scrolled in its container so you could read it instead of seeing filenamexyz.. |
| [23:06:29] | javatexan: | lol |
| [23:06:42] | alexvd: | javatexan: if we buy tivo it will be even more politically uncorrect to say I run mythtv |
| [23:07:16] | blackest: | maybe just a more button so it would open up the box to show you the missing bit |
| [23:07:24] | javatexan: | alexvd: so you will be a closet mythtv user.... |
| [23:07:28] | alexvd: | we have talked with tivo many times but they are still asking too much. word is they have to get cheaper ( ie stock beat up more) |
| [23:07:30] | justinh: | but, the 2.0 people out there are baying for 'coolness' becuzz XYZ app has it. |
| [23:07:58] | alexvd: | javatexan: yeah i have a rack in the basement right now :) |
| [23:08:02] | blackest: | or left and right arrows to move the view port on longer discriptions |
| [23:08:06] | javatexan: | lol |
| [23:08:20] | alexvd: | baying oooowwwweeeeee |
| [23:08:41] | justinh: | blackest: and for my mind I think that moving things line by line should have been left on 8-bit computers :) |
| [23:08:54] | justinh: | (text line by text line I mean) |
| [23:08:56] | alexvd: | justin: can i send you a free router to incent you :) |
| [23:09:10] | javatexan: | We had tivo and I converted my wifes under-used fileserver as a Mythtv box |
| [23:09:11] | javatexan: | ;) |
| [23:09:15] | justinh: | I'm gonna do everything I can. that's not saying much |
| [23:10:04] | javatexan: | Yeah...I actually put in a job app for tivo, It looks like interesting stuff. I would only be part-time and summers though |
| [23:10:07] | justinh: | for the mythui port work you guys also need to get voting some themes off. some are likely gonna die |
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| [23:10:52] | justinh: | neon-wide & my 4:3 themes are gonna pass away quietly I think |
| [23:11:01] | alexvd: | justinh: fine by me |
| [23:11:02] | blackest: | well how about allowing the user to change the focus a little if the program details are highlighted enlarge the box |
| [23:11:22] | mzb: | justinh: I'd vote against that ... even if they're not maintained |
| [23:11:25] | justinh: | as for the core themes.. that's not for me to decide (nor would I want it to be) |
| [23:12:02] | justinh: | somebody'll have to port the themes over to mythui then, mzb. could be a big job |
| [23:12:03] | mzb: | dm, I though you were saying all 4:3 themes |
| [23:12:24] | blackest: | 4:3 themes are useful if you have a 4:3 screen |
| [23:12:31] | mzb: | yes :) |
| [23:12:33] | alexvd: | still need 4:3 I have a couple of screens left that arent wide |
| [23:12:43] | javatexan: | me too |
| [23:13:20] | mzb: | I've recently been given a 42" RPTV (saved it from going to the tip) ... so I can't possibly give up on 4:3 yet :) |
| [23:14:11] | alexvd: | i may give away my 65" rptv widescreen soon too |
| [23:14:26] | alexvd: | cant figure out what to do with the monster |
| [23:14:34] | mzb: | (even though it's too big for every room in the house ... has to live in the garage;) |
| [23:14:35] | justinh: | freecyle ? |
| [23:14:47] | justinh: | freecycle, even... |
| [23:14:49] | javatexan: | i just checked...they havent done anything with the submission yet....LOL |
| [23:16:32] | alexvd: | Does anyone know if the patch that was submitted on the dev list a little while back that allowed you to channel surf from one source to another in the "browse" mode osd get submitted? I saw some comments that sad they didnt want it but couldnt that just be an option? |
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| [23:17:11] | alexvd: | i know you can use the guide but browse mode would be nice option to have. Not everyone has to enable it |
| [23:17:23] | justinh: | oh btw who was saying yesterday how they find it annoying that left arrow does the same as esc in screens? you can disable it! |
| [23:17:23] | iamlindoro__: | alexvd, find the ticket and that will tell you what the staus is |
| [23:17:36] | alexvd: | ok looking |
| [23:17:48] | ** javatexan wonders what he will be working on this summer ** | |
| [23:18:38] | justinh: | this weekend I shall mostly be not going to Miami :( damn work |
| [23:19:32] | bsdfox__: | is there a way to clean up all invalid entries from my mythconverg database? |
| [23:19:47] | justinh: | bsdfox__: such as? |
| [23:19:59] | justinh: | missing/orphaned recordings? |
| [23:20:15] | blizzow: | When I watch HD channels on my PCHDTV-5500 in Myth, the sound drops out every few seconds for about a quarter of a second. Anyone else seen this or know where I should start looking to fix it? |
| [23:20:20] | iamlindoro__: | alexvd, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/978 |
| [23:20:24] | justinh: | myth.find_orphans.pl in /contrib to the rescue |
| [23:20:28] | alexvd: | its says its ticket 978 wont fix |
| [23:20:31] | iamlindoro__: | and here's the dev list post http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2008-January/059285.html |
| [23:20:32] | alexvd: | beat me again |
| [23:20:35] | bsdfox__: | justinh: yes |
| [23:20:38] | alexvd: | reading it right now |
| [23:20:39] | bsdfox__: | ok |
| [23:20:39] | alexvd: | yes |
| [23:20:56] | alexvd: | Daniel says its changed in upcoming multirec |
| [23:21:12] | alexvd: | i dont know if that means if that may be implemented |
| [23:21:16] | justinh: | upcoming has now merged, so find another way |
| [23:21:34] | iamlindoro__: | well, multirec is merged now |
| [23:22:00] | alexvd: | So i guess that means no :( |
| [23:22:03] | javatexan: | how do you get your cable co to open up channels on the head-end for firewire? |
| [23:22:11] | justinh: | blizzow: top, to monitor CPU usage of mythfrontend. probably not got enough CPU grunt |
| [23:22:12] | iamlindoro__: | It means no for now |
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| [23:22:25] | iamlindoro__: | until that guy can test and update his patch with a multirec-capable device |
| [23:22:44] | iamlindoro__: | But it appears that devs are open to it, with no real objections |
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| [23:23:00] | mumrah: | can anyone recommend a good barebones PC for a DVR application? |
| [23:23:00] | ** justinh summons the Thundercats ** | |
| [23:23:09] | alexvd: | i am sure more people would want it if that was put on the users list |
| [23:23:23] | alexvd: | i have seen that request several times over the years |
| [23:23:25] | justinh: | alexvd: people wanting it != it getting done :P |
| [23:23:26] | bagpuss_thecat: | By the powah of Greyskull! |
| [23:23:43] | justinh: | bagpuss_thecat: Snarf |
| [23:23:47] | bagpuss_thecat: | \o/ |
| [23:23:48] | alexvd: | ok i deserve that |
| [23:24:04] | mumrah: | that's he-man |
| [23:24:08] | mumrah: | greyskull |
| [23:24:13] | bagpuss_thecat: | I know :-) |
| [23:24:16] | iamlindoro__: | Great odin's raven! |
| [23:24:21] | iamlindoro__: | By the beard of zeus! |
| [23:24:27] | iamlindoro__: | (now what's *that*?) |
| [23:24:28] | mumrah: | by the something of something |
| [23:24:33] | justinh: | lol |
| [23:24:35] | mumrah: | so homebrew PVR? |
| [23:24:52] | alexvd: | mumrah was liono and the eye of thundara |
| [23:24:54] | iamlindoro__: | ...It's anchorman |
| [23:25:02] | justinh: | mumrah: shuttle barebones with nice cool core2 duo CPUs.. pity about the onboard VGA though |
| [23:25:09] | bagpuss_thecat: | Hammerhand and the Berserkers |
| [23:25:09] | iamlindoro__: | we don't talk about homebrew PVRs in here |
| [23:25:12] | bagpuss_thecat: | sounds like a band |
| [23:25:17] | iamlindoro__: | we mostly just bitch about things |
| [23:25:23] | javatexan: | lol |
| [23:25:30] | alexvd: | :) |
| [23:25:32] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: speak for yourself. pick up your purse |
| [23:25:36] | blizzow: | justinh: mythfrontend.real takes up 50% and xorg takes up the rest. If I move to a different virtual screen, where the video isn't displayed, everything works great. |
| [23:25:48] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, Isn't this #ladies-restroom? |
| [23:26:09] | justinh: | blizzow: could be a video driver problem then. install a binary nvidia one for nvidia cards. if you have ATI, go buy a nvidia card |
| [23:26:58] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: sometimes you could be forgiven for thinking that. esp. when people talk about Lost & Star Trek spin-offs |
| [23:27:07] | justinh: | and coffee machines |
| [23:27:10] | bagpuss_thecat: | blizzow: software acceleration? |
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| [23:27:41] | javatexan: | darn I thought this was #starbucks |
| [23:27:45] | blizzow: | justinh: I'm running mythbuntu with nvidia binary drivers on a geforce3 ti. |
| [23:27:47] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, finding a lady who would discuss Star Trek with them is many a nerd's wet dream methinks |
| [23:27:56] | blizzow: | 2.8ghz machine. |
| [23:28:12] | iamlindoro__: | GF3 FTL |
| [23:28:19] | justinh: | blizzow: ouchy. geforce3? maybe time to get something a bit more juicy |
| [23:28:33] | blizzow: | glxgears seems to run fine. |
| [23:28:44] | iamlindoro__: | oh, well glxgears runs? Why didn't you say so? |
| [23:28:45] | justinh: | glxgears isn't high definition TV though is it? |
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| [23:29:20] | MrJackson: | the video card doesnt really do much in linux anyway |
| [23:29:22] | justinh: | glxgears isn't 1920x1080 32-bit colour bitmaps at 30fps |
| [23:29:36] | blizzow: | no, but in reference to the question of software vs. hardware acceleration... |
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| [23:30:21] | alexvd: | blizzow: you running compiz |
| [23:31:00] | blizzow: | nope, just xfce |
| [23:31:03] | alexvd: | blizzow: should be off but not sure if you have desktop too as that is option |
| [23:31:24] | blizzow: | There's definitely no compiz stuff running here. |
| [23:31:44] | alexvd: | hdtv takes some juice |
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| [23:32:24] | iamlindoro__: | 2.8 Ghz should be doable for most mpeg-2, though... the obvious weak link there is the GPU |
| [23:33:02] | iamlindoro__: | it requires that he use ancient legacy drivers which do *not* work as the new drivers on modern cards do |
| [23:33:19] | alexvd: | right he cant enable useevents |
| [23:33:27] | alexvd: | to reduce xorg |
| [23:33:35] | justinh: | I've heard tell that a fx5200 isn't even enough in some cases for hdtv |
| [23:33:40] | mumrah: | \q |
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| [23:34:07] | justinh: | yet another success story! |
| [23:34:12] | iamlindoro__: | hahaha |
| [23:34:18] | iamlindoro__: | "another happy customer?" |
| [23:34:52] | purserj: | justinh: I use a fx5200 in combination with an AMD2400 and winfast 1000 (HD Compliant) and haven't hit any issues |
| [23:35:50] | justinh: | I just said I'd heard. not presenting it as a matter of fact |
| [23:35:50] | iamlindoro__: | ergo some cases |
| [23:36:33] | justinh: | certainly havent heard from anybody using less than a card of that spec successfully playing HD though |
| [23:36:48] | justinh: | quite the contrary infact |
| [23:37:03] | justinh: | as in – people with far more beefy cards & CPUs having problems |
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| [23:37:51] | alexvd: | 3.2 ghz dual core and 6600 and i still have problems running |
| [23:38:04] | justinh: | anyway, for the log – to change mythfrontend arrow key as exit/select behaviour, there's a setting for 'use arrow key accelerators' |
| [23:38:08] | alexvd: | i do have a legendary pcx5300 |
| [23:38:13] | alexvd: | works |
| [23:38:49] | iamlindoro__: | hahahahahahah *tear* |
| [23:38:50] | iamlindoro__: | hahaha |
| [23:38:59] | iamlindoro__: | It's sweet that you think anyone reads the log |
| [23:39:16] | javatexan: | so if my mpeg2 stream is native 480x480 squashed and expands beautiful 4:3 at 640x480, will i have to go to 640x480 before I try 320x240? Prolly, huh? |
| [23:40:34] | justinh: | javatexan: FWIW just set mythtv to record at 720x480. IME it looks better than 480x480 (at least 720x576 did on my PAL setup) |
| [23:40:49] | javatexan: | So i would have to pipe mencode 480x480 to 640x480 -> mencoder 640x480 to 320x240 deinterlaced....am I understanding this right |
| [23:41:00] | justinh: | I mean – looks better as in almost DVD quality compared to VHS |
| [23:41:08] | javatexan: | justinh this isnt recording off myth....different input |
| [23:41:13] | justinh: | ah |
| [23:41:27] | javatexan: | i am massaging it to work in myth |
| [23:41:32] | javatexan: | ;) |
| [23:41:39] | justinh: | javatexan: just go straight from 480x480 to 320x240 & see how it works |
| [23:41:48] | javatexan: | ill try that first |
| [23:42:08] | javatexan: | iamlindoro any luck with mythcommflag? |
| [23:42:13] | justinh: | you wouldn't gain anything upscaling to 640x480 then downscaling it |
| [23:42:31] | iamlindoro__: | javatexan, nope, haven't looked into it hard yet |
| [23:42:49] | iamlindoro__: | may have to find a different workaround |
| [23:42:49] | blizzow: | So do you guys think a $40 passively cooled geforce 6200A with 256MB will be ok to run HD? |
| [23:42:50] | justinh: | if anything converting to another lossy format inbetween would make it look much worse |
| [23:43:18] | justinh: | blizzow: probably will |
| [23:43:38] | javatexan: | I am just afraid that going directly to 320x240 would be a squashed cutoff screen when it gets resized at player time....don't know though |
| [23:43:48] | justinh: | can't speak from experience. my only machine fast enough to play HD has Intel graphics onboard & they're fine |
| [23:43:55] | javatexan: | ture |
| [23:43:56] | alexvd: | blizzow: yes 6200 will work |
| [23:43:59] | at0m|c: | experiment on a short piece :) |
| [23:44:05] | javatexan: | true |
| [23:44:09] | javatexan: | i will |
| [23:44:17] | javatexan: | just working out what to try...;0 |
| [23:46:00] | bsdfox__: | does myth.find_orphans.pl delete stuff from the previously recorded list too? seems some of my seinfelds are missing and I want to record them next time they show |
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| [23:46:19] | iamlindoro__: | I believe it leaves that stuff alone |
| [23:46:21] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | blizzow: I'm using a 6200le and HD works great... My cpu is an Athlon 64 X2 4600+, so I'm sure that helps too... |
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| [23:46:33] | justinh: | bsdfox__: don't think it does. you'll have to see to that yourself |
| [23:47:07] | bsdfox__: | ok thanks |
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| [23:47:53] | justinh: | DELETE FROM oldrecorded WHERE title LIKE "%title%"; for the lazy/foolhardy |
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