Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, January 13th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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Yahooada1:

use pastebin please

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opentrinity:

ok

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opentrinity:

http://pastebin.ca/852647

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Yahooada1:

opentrinity: dpkg -r mythtv

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Yahooada1:

i think

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Yahooada1:

then use apt, (sudo) apt-get install mythtv

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Yahooada1:

oh wait

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Yahooada1:

dont apt-get

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Yahooada1:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . n_Debian_Sid

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Yahooada1:

ignore up to "mysqladmin -u", and go up to "Bulding yourself"

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Yahooada1:

actually, ignore that too lol

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Yahooada1:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Debian_Etch

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Yahooada1:

im guessing your running debian etch

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opentrinity:

lenny

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Yahooada1:

hmm, lenny wiki article isnt dont

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Yahooada1:

done #

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jhulst:

The sid install works decently on lenny

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opentrinity:

lenny is etch

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Yahooada1:

do, vim /etc/apt-sources.list

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Yahooada1:

deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main

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Yahooada1:

add that line

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jhulst:

opentrinity: not quite, but it's close

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opentrinity:

Yahooada1: done

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Yahooada1:

apt-get update

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opentrinity:

done

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Yahooada1:

did apt-get warn you about missing GPG keys?

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opentrinity:

yes

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Yahooada1:

apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring

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Yahooada1:

then apt-get update

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opentrinity:

ok

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Yahooada1:

apt-get shouldnt have given you any errors that time, if it did, please say now

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opentrinity:

...no errors

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Yahooada1:

apt-get install mythtv

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opentrinity:

done

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Yahooada1:

done?

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Yahooada1:

any errors?

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opentrinity:

no

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Yahooada1:

what did it say? pastebin the output please

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xoritor:

i want to "archive" recordings to an NFS share not to DVD, anyone know if it is possible to have them still show up in mythtv somehow?

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opentrinity:

I seguenti pacchetti NUOVI (NEW) saranno installati:

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opentrinity:

mythtv

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opentrinity:

0 aggiornati, 1 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 285 non aggiornati.

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opentrinity:

È necessario prendere 0B/21,7kB di archivi.

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opentrinity:

Dopo l'estrazione, verranno occupati 73,7kB di spazio su disco.

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opentrinity:

Selezionato il pacchetto mythtv, che non lo era.

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opentrinity:

(Lettura del database ... 174454 file e directory attualmente installati.)

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opentrinity:

Spacchetto mythtv (da .../mythtv_0.20.2.svn20071210–0.0_all.deb) ...

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opentrinity:

Configuro mythtv (0.20.2.svn20071210–0.0) ...

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_ben:

You know when you hit a key and it shows you whats on TV but doesnt have the full description of the program, is they a way to 'scroll' or something?

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_ben:

s/they/there

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kawsy:

Anyone have the hauppauge pvr150 irblaster/ir receiver combo cable?

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iamlindoro__:

stop asking the same question

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Yahooada1:

opentrinity – type, mythbackend – and PASTEBIN the output, please dont paste in IRC

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kawsy:

scrolled off the screen, maybe someone wasn't looking

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kawsy:

free world

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jhulst:

What do I need to do to get mythweb to recognize mythmusic and such?

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opentrinity:

Yahooada1: is the same of previously pasted in pastebin

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xoritor:

or even easier... is there a way to have "live tv" buffer locally and when mtd transcodes it store it on a remote NFS server?

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xoritor:

i saw the latter in the docs but the settings were not in the mythtv-setup anymore

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iamlindoro__:

Nobody's going to help you when you act like an ass, and it's rude. Plus, you don't even ask a technical quesion, nobody is going to respond to whether they have a particular piece of equipment. If you have an issue, ask for help. Otherwise, stop repeating yourself.

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Yahooada1:

opentrinity: huh?

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Yahooada1:

just type mythbackend, and put it into pastebin

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Yahooada1:

http://pastebin.com/ – paste – send

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opentrinity:

http://pastebin.ca/852647

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opentrinity:

is the same pasted before

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Yahooada1:

ah, was hoping it would be different

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Yahooada1:

iamlindoro__ – Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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Yahooada1:

do you know what hes getting that?

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Yahooada1:

why '

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iamlindoro_:

hang on, will take a look

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iamlindoro_:

It's a qt error, I think

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hachi:

did anyone have any hints regarding my query of how to extend a show that is currently recording?

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hachi:

okay, I think I got it... but now the program after it won't record

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hachi:

even though it's on the same channel

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: That's not possible, I don't have time today for that. I would try going apt-get install --reinstall mythtv

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kawsy:

ok.. I have an athon64 3000+ frontend/backend combo running mythbuntu on gutsy with a hauppauge pvr-150 with the ir remote/blaster combo cable.. Everything is working.. Im using the lirc_pvr150 module. dmesg shows the module loads and I have /dev/lirc0.. irw shows nothing when I push the buttons on my remote.. I actually had it working briefly today so I know my lircd.conf and lircrc files are correct.. come back 20 minutes late

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kawsy:

r and its stopped working... have tried rebooting several times and also manually loading the modules and manually starting lircd instead of letting the lirc start script do it..

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kawsy:

no errors anywhere..

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro_ ok thank u

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kawsy:

not sure what else to check

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kawsy:

firmware loads ok too

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iamlindoro_:

kawsy, /etc/init.d/lirc restart, then mode2 --device=/dev/lirc0 and press some buttons

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kawsy:

does that just read the raw data?

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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overridex:

anyone suggest whether i get a pvr-250 or pvr-350?

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iamlindoro_:

neither, get a 150

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Tanthrix:

Seconded!

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kawsy:

Ill try it.. back in a few.. thanks

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overridex:

why the 150?

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blackest:

any idea where i might find a caching proxy server

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iamlindoro_:

because the 250 and 350 are old and no longer made, and support for various bits and pieces is gradually disappearing, and the engineering of the components of the 150 is newer and better.

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Tanthrix:

overridex: It's the newest, most popular, best supported, etc.

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blackest:

it doesnt do your head in

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overridex:

cool

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blackest:

i think the 500's have problems with one tuner being poor quality

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blackest:

least someone told me that

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iamlindoro_:

Or just wait for (fiscal) Q1 08 and get yourself some sweet sweet HD component capture :)

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overridex:

iamlindoro_: hehe, it'll be a while before i actually get any HD service so i'll wait for now :)

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iamlindoro_:

ah well

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overridex:

what's the outlook on still needing a box for hd/digital – any progress on the whole cablecard thing?

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overridex:

or is serial to the box pretty seamless...

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iamlindoro_:

No, nor is there likely to be

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hachi:

okay, how do I kick mythtv in the pants and tell it to record something NOW NOW NOW

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hachi:

it's not recording it

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hachi:

it say conflict, but the backend is idle

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Yahooada1:

cancel the recording

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Yahooada1:

mythbackend --resched

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Yahooada1:

then try making it again

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kawsy:

iamlindoro.. I had moved lirc_dev lirc_pv150 in /etc/modules to see if having them loaded earlier would make a difference.. That shouldnt matter right

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kawsy:

?

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iamlindoro_:

overridex: You will still need a box, but Hauppauge announced an HD component-cable capture device this week

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Yahooada1:

or, on the frontend make sure its not got somthing it thinks it's recording

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iamlindoro_:

kawsy: I am not sure

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Yahooada1:

iamlindoro_: ooo where where :p

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro_: By the way, what does Q1 of the fiscal year start and begin?

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iamlindoro_:

Marchish, I believe

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro__: Er, start and end.

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Yahooada1:

depends on the company doesnt it?

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overridex:

iamlindoro_: cool... how well does the serial stuff work for changing channels on the box? i've only used an ir blaster in the past and the lag's pretty annoying

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iamlindoro_:

Yahooada1: Search google news for "PVR HD" and it's the first link to welt.de, the press release

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iamlindoro_:

overridex: Not all boxes have serial, but IR blasting works just fine

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Tanthrix:

Yahooada1: Aye, but there's also a standard that most companies use.

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iamlindoro_:

Well, I'll take "somewhere before June" as a perfectly decent result

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Tanthrix:

Too long!

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iamlindoro_:

in terms of getting my grubby hands on one, that is

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iamlindoro_:

Tanthrix: I'll wait an extra month or two if it means it actually arrives :)

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overridex:

$76 is pretty cheap for that pvr 150... cool :)

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Tanthrix:

True enough.

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Tanthrix:

overridex: Gets cheaper than that. Check newegg.

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iamlindoro_:

overridex: Can get it for $54 at Newegg, I believe, although it's woth the extra for bucks for the MCE edition

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blackest:

is there anyway i can proxy my flash video so 2 or more people could use it without overwealming my upload link?

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overridex:

iamlindoro_: wow... what's the difference between the regular and MCE?

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iamlindoro_:

MUCH better remote and receiver, RCA audio in instead of minijack

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iamlindoro_:

Worth it for th remote alone IMO

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overridex:

iamlindoro_: very cool, yeah and I use my wii through my tv card... speaking of which, i use an analog card now that isn't pvr... is there going to be lag when using a pvr-150 as far as playing video games through it?

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dash:

howdy. mind helping me understand basic mythtv operation? I'm trying to record stuff off of verizon fios

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overridex:

I generally use tvtime, not mythtv when playing games...

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dash:

i've got the hardware, etc setup working fine

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dash:

I'm just not clear on how to actually record stuff

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iamlindoro_:

overridex: Playing games through myth is bad news... you *can* hack it to avoid the mpeg-2 encoder and stream it, but recording is probably out

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opello:

dash: did you install mythweb?

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dash:

nope, never even heard of it :)

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** dash googles **

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opello:

that's find, nevermind :) did you get some guide data?

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dash:

nope

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overridex:

iamlindoro_: any idea if the pvr150 works with tvtime?

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iamlindoro_:

overridex: None of the ivtv cards work with tvtime, I believe

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overridex:

not that it'd be a big deal to keep this card in here too, that way something can record while i play a game anyway

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iamlindoro_:

(pvr-xxx are all ivtv cards)

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dash:

opello: I'm not sure that guide data would help me since I can't change channels without pushing buttons on the STB or remote :)

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dash:

correct me if i'm wrong

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opello:

ok, you might want that ... otherwise, you go to schedule a recording > manual

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dash:

right

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opello:

(i think it's manual)

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opello:

and set some times

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dash:

i found the manual schedule thing, sure

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dash:

thing is

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opello:

there's an "ir blaster" that can send your set top box the signal to change channels

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dash:

how do I know that it's recording? can I watch the recording before it's finished? :)

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dash:

aha so _that_'s what an ir blaster is

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opello:

yup

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iamlindoro_:

A recording is a different color (depending on theme) and yes

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opello:

go to the recordings > watch a recording

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dash:

opello: yes! I thought that, too

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dash:

but it's not there

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dash:

under 'system status' it says 'tuner 1 is recording'

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iamlindoro_:

press m, change your filters

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iamlindoro_:

while in the watch recordings screen

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iamlindoro_:

change the filter to "All" or "all recordings"

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opello:

there you go :)

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dash:

iamlindoro_: _aha_

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dash:

there it is.

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overridex:

iamlindoro_: can you use the pvr150's remote with any lirc supporting app? or does it use something else

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mzb_d800:

great ... out of 4 drives, I have one in transit (RMA), 1 failed, and 1 failing ... across TWO machines! DOH!

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iamlindoro_:

overridex: Yes, can use it with any lirc app

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: Gah! Hitachi?

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mzb_d800:

Seagate 250GB Sata2 ... the 1st one is 7200.9, rest are 7200.10

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iamlindoro_:

Crazy, Seagates are usually so good

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dash:

iamlindoro_: many thanks :)

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dash:

now to figure out mytharchive...

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iamlindoro_:

dash: np

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mzb_d800:

they're SATA1 boards, so they're clipped AND I only have two ports on each mobo

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: Guess we know where they send all those RMA drives... to Oz ;)

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... sent the 7200.9 back at beginning of Dec, but the drive they sent was faulty

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mzb_d800:

so that's in transit atm

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iamlindoro_:

They just swapped the return address and addressee labels

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mzb_d800:

different drive

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iamlindoro_:

just fooling

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mzb_d800:

(worse problems than the one I sent)

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mzb_d800:

not happy

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iamlindoro_:

Nor would I be

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mzb_d800:

can't use workstation now ... unless I sit down and zero the bad blocks ... but without the mirror I'm _totally_ screwed if it goes the way of the others

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mzb_d800:

I'll probably need to manually mirror it, too :(

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mzb_d800:

might have to look into 2x SATA PCI cards plus 2 more drives :((( (g/f won't be happy)

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mzb_d800:

brb

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overridex:

wonder if i could setup my wii remote with bluetooth to change channels up/down and pause... hmm

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iamlindoro_:

That should be fairly trivial

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Controll . . . a_Wii_remote

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overridex:

cuz that $59 150 is pretty tempting...

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overridex:

i'm using it in my desktop, not in a box for a tv... so a remote isn't completely necessary

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iamlindoro_:

You'll get sucked in

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overridex:

i've already got a bluetooth adapter setup for my phone so, the wii remote should be easy-ish...

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iamlindoro_:

And before you know it (four or so years in now for me) every TV in your house will be controlled by myth in 1080p :)

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overridex:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

Gah, it's five years now

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iamlindoro_:

I *think* I started using myth around .11 or so

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overridex:

hehe

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overridex:

yeah i want to say i started around 0.14 or 15... sounds about right... but i haven't used it for a couple years now, i don't watch a ton of tv

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iamlindoro_:

When I was in grad school, I used it as a box to get cable into my bedroom, and there was only a drop in the living room... and I hated my roommates ;)

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overridex:

lol

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overridex:

good plan

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iamlindoro_:

Running in this PAINFULLY loud and hot shuttle box

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Ice_Wewe:

can someone help me? I'm trying to run mythtranscode from the command line and it isn't properly detecting the aspect ratio. The aspect ratio on the original video is 4:3 and on the encoded it's 6:3

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Ice_Wewe:

the aspect ratio is fine when mythtv runs the job automatically

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blackest:

can someone try to kill my server by loading this page and seeing if the flash video plays

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blackest:

http://86.22.96.128.nyud.net:8090/mythweb/tv/ . . . 4/1200085200

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blackest:

i only have 400 up but so far it seems to support 2 of us im hoping coral caches the request and that way my server will not die

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Ice_Wewe:

blackest: holy man that connection is slow

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iamlindoro_:

playing though... welcome to MythSlashDot ;)

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blackest:

well its working via coral cache wicked

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blackest:

whos got the video working then ?

[01:05:29]

iamlindoro_:

Just 'cause it starts doesn't mean it'll finish, though... sometimes if it gets confused the transcode will only do a few minutes

[01:05:49]

Ice_Wewe:

blackest: I got working video, but it only plays about 1 second before it repeats

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iamlindoro_:

And yours only played about 15 seconds then died

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blackest:

hmm

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blackest:

i've got me and a friend accessing via coralcache

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Ice_Wewe:

blackest: and, you can't spell caribbean...

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** Ice_Wewe trolls for information on the hardware **

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blackest:

lol i meant that video about the chickens

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kawsy:

iamlindoro: I tried what you said and the results where the same.. mode2 and irw both just sit there waiting.. I also tried rebooting without starting lirc or loading the modules and then tried sudo modprobe lirc_dev debug=1 && sudo modprobe debug=1 and then lircd -d /dev/lirc0 /etc/lirc/lircd.conf

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kawsy:

irw and mode2.. still the same thing

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blackest:

the rest of the site aint going to be cached

[01:07:33]

kawsy:

the debug=1 is showing something interesting in my syslog though

[01:07:34]

Ice_Wewe:

wow, 500GB, impressive...

[01:07:58]

iamlindoro_:

Leaving your mythweb open like that is baaaaad news

[01:08:03]

kawsy:

a bunch of line like this when irw or mode2 are running

[01:08:05]

kawsy:

Jan 12 19:04:57 mythfront kernel: [ 1561.243284] lirc_pvr150: poll called

[01:08:05]

kawsy:

Jan 12 19:04:57 mythfront kernel: [ 1561.243287] lirc_pvr150: poll result = 0

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blackest:

yes i know

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** iamlindoro_ goes to erase all blackest's channels ;) **

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Ice_Wewe:

so, no one knows why mythtranscode isn't working?

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blackest:

its only for testing

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kawsy:

and then when I close.. I get a removed client message

[01:09:01]

Ice_Wewe:

iamlindoro_: not like there's much scheduled to record anyway...

[01:09:18]

kawsy:

Jan 12 19:04:57 mythfront lircd-0.8.2[5531]: removed client

[01:09:18]

kawsy:

Jan 12 19:04:57 mythfront kernel: [ 1561.243278] lirc_dev (lirc_pvr150[0]): poll called

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iamlindoro_:

kawsy: I'm not sure what else might be going on, since it was working

[01:09:49]

kawsy:

I suppose I could go put the card in my xp machine

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Ice_Wewe:

anyone?

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kawsy:

or maybe Ill just go get a refund and get the mce model instead like you recommended

[01:10:51]

Ice_Wewe:

can I get myth to automatically re-encode a previously recorded show?

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iamlindoro_:

the mce *is* much easier to setup, especially in gutsy

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iamlindoro_:

apt-get install lirc... aaaaaaaaaand done :)

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Ice_Wewe:

or do I have to do it manually? and, if I have to do it manually, how do I specify the aspect ratio?

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kawsy:

Is that a usb device?

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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kawsy:

too bad the local computer shop is closed for the night.. :(

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iamlindoro_:

Well, in the grand scheme, it's a relatively little thing, lots more you can tweak between now and tomorrow

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Ice_Wewe:

any reason my mythtv is refusing to show me my previously recorded programs?

[01:13:33]

Ice_Wewe:

(web interface)

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iamlindoro_:

Because it's decided you don't need that much midget porn

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Ice_Wewe:

lol...

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, did you experiment with the dropdowns on the top?

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iamlindoro_:

to change the filter?

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Ice_Wewe:

arugh, why does this have an aspect ratio of 2?!

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Ice_Wewe:

dropdowns?

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iamlindoro_:

yep, on the top of recorded programs

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Ice_Wewe:

I can't even get to that page

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iamlindoro_:

Show group: and Show Recordings:

[01:14:41]

Ice_Wewe:

it just hangs loading

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iamlindoro_:

You must have upgraded to recent SVN :)

[01:14:56]

Ice_Wewe:

nope

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iamlindoro_:

What version are you running?

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Ice_Wewe:

ermmm

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Ice_Wewe:

I don't know. It's whatever ships with Knoppmyth 5R27

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iamlindoro_:

presumably .20.2

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Ice_Wewe:

iamlindoro_: so, can I get mythtv to automatically re-encode them, or am I screwed?

[01:16:34]

iamlindoro_:

You could write a script to do so, I suppose

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Ice_Wewe:

iamlindoro_: doesn't help me... mythtranscode is screwing up the aspect ratio...

[01:16:54]

iamlindoro_:

That sets the transcode job from status 0 to status 1 in the database

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Ice_Wewe:

I need to get myth to do it or it won't work...

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iamlindoro_:

That *would* be getting myth to do it

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Ice_Wewe:

ahhh yes, now I remember why it isn't happy

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iamlindoro_:

I'm not talking about scripting the transcode, but scripting turning on the transcode job for all jobs

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Ice_Wewe:

iamlindoro_: how would I go about editing the MySQL database?

[01:18:05]

iamlindoro_:

Ice_Wewe: With no offense intended, if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't do it :)

[01:18:12]

Ice_Wewe:

iamlindoro_: none taken...

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Ice_Wewe:

ack, I know what's wrong here...

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iamlindoro_:

You could go into watch recordings and pull up each job and run a transcode

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iamlindoro_:

er each recording

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Ice_Wewe:

this is on the frontend?

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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Ice_Wewe:

hrmmm, ok...

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Ice_Wewe:

brb

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iamlindoro_:

highlight a recording, press the right arrow, and use the "transcode" menu option

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kawsy:

The mythtv docs warn about disabling realtime mode if you experience lockups during tv playback, which I do.. Is there a known reason for this?

[01:20:38]

kawsy:

fix?

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jhulst:

kawsy: disabling it, or trying to enable it? Where are you looking?

[01:22:37]

Ice_Wewe:

ackkkkk

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Ice_Wewe:

hmmm

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Ice_Wewe:

interesting...

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kawsy:

I want it enabled.. but when its enabled.. It locks up when I go into the program guide occasionally

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kawsy:

playback isn't always perfectly smooth when its disabled

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blackest:

anyone still watchin chickens ?

[01:25:15]

blackest:

I closed port 80 but my mates still got the video streaming via coral

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jhulst:

kawsy: I don't know why real time priority would lock it up, are you sure it's related to real time?

[01:26:25]

kawsy:

yeah.. thats the only time it happens..

[01:26:38]

kawsy:

the mythtv wiki warns about it too

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kawsy:

no reason given though

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kawsy:

turn on realtime.. happens within 2 minutes if I play around in the program guide

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kawsy:

disable it..

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kawsy:

never locks

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overridex:

hmm that forthewiin.org is down

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mzb_d800:

anyone using SATA PCI cards with M5281/M5283 chipset?

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iamlindoro_:

That reminds me of the old joke...

[01:33:06]

iamlindoro_:

Guy goes to the doctor, and says, Doc, it hurts when I do this.

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iamlindoro_:

The Doctor says... Don't do that.

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mzb_d800:

yeah ... mine's said that before :) (turned out I had a broken nose for a few months and hadn't noticed;)

[01:34:14]

kawsy:

nice

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kawsy:

:P

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mzb_d800:

hmm: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#uli – libata driver "sata_uli". Driver is now production quality.

[01:34:41]

mzb_d800:

broke nose playing water polo ;)

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mzb_d800:

(pissed off a State player ;)))

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mzb_d800:

ok, next question: anyone using Seagate ES drives rather than standard Barracuda?

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iamlindoro_:

*cricket*

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: Dunno if it helps you, but I've used them, just not on the myth box

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mzb_d800:

thinking about getting 2x 250GB ES + 2x SATA PCI

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iamlindoro_:

And just the ES's, never the .2s

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mzb_d800:

and then go to raid5 in both workstation and server

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mzb_d800:

(or just raid1 ... doesn't really matter ... whatever is safest)

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iamlindoro_:

I've never had one fail, *but* my experience is sorta limited

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iamlindoro_:

I think 6 is safest, personally

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iamlindoro_:

but then you're giving up two drives, of course

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mzb_d800:

3 x 250GB in each machine ... enough for r6?

[01:46:55]

iamlindoro_:

Need at least four for 6 IIRC

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iamlindoro_:

possibly 5

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mzb_d800:

I don't care if I only end up with 250GB total (in each)... these are system drives

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... still sounds like r1 would be safer ;|

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iamlindoro_:

Just nice because you have to have *two* die before you lose data

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mzb_d800:

so in this situation how is r5 better than r1?

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iamlindoro_:

My new array is Raid 6.... of USB drives, hehe

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mzb_d800:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

We're talking about 3 drives total?

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mzb_d800:

3 in each machine

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mzb_d800:

this is not even the mythtv data (160GB and 500GB)

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mzb_d800:

just the server and the workstation

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iamlindoro_:

Well, 1 works in even numbers

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mzb_d800:

err ... that doesn't sound right

[01:49:13]

iamlindoro_:

so you can do 1 + 1 non-redundant drive

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iamlindoro_:

1 is mirror only

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mzb_d800:

surely you can do 3 mirrors in an array

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iamlindoro_:

You need two drives for each mirrored set

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iamlindoro_:

Can't partition RAID, that's why people run LVM on top of it

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mzb_d800:

I disagree

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iamlindoro_:

ok...

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mzb_d800:

I'm running partitioned Raid1 ... one of the partitions being LVM

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Seeker`:

When I choose which recordings I want to burn to dvd with mytharchive, it just dumps me back to the "select recording, select video" menu

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mzb_d800:

/dev/md0 vg0 lvm2 a- 231.79G 1.18G

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: The point wasn't that you can't make a Raid *out* or partitions, but that you can't partition *within* a RAID without LVM

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mzb_d800:

misunderstood your point then (and still haven't absorbed it;)

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iamlindoro_:

er out of

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mzb_d800:

ah .. ok I get it now ... yeah can't say I've tried to partition a raid volume, as I've only ever used one to create a PV

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, now you've got what I was getting at

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spalVl:

Anyone have knowledge of MultiRec branch?

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iamlindoro_:

And I must admit to having been confused re: your setup, all the #s were floating about my head :)

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iamlindoro_:

spalVl: What would you like to know about it?

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spalVl:

I wanted to test it on HDhomerun

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iamlindoro_:

Would work fine

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spalVl:

Got it compiled and installed.

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jhulst:

iamlindoro_: From what i've heard, it doesn't work on the HD Homerun, but I could be wrong

[01:59:52]

iamlindoro_:

jhulst: Hmm, maybe the HDHomerun is a different story, you might be right... ATSC in general should work, though.

[02:00:08]

iamlindoro_:

HDHomeRun might not be set up to send you the whole multiplex

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jhulst:

iamlindoro_: ATSC works, but the interface to the HD Homerun isn'

[02:00:13]

jhulst:

t set

[02:00:22]

iamlindoro_:

yeah

[02:00:25]

iamlindoro_:

that would make sense

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jhulst:

I've actually been doing some initial work to try to get it going, haven't gotten much yet though

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spalVl:

I've had the HDHR multicasting and VLC can view multiple streams

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mzb_d800:

so I'm still thinking either R1 with n=3, or R1 with n=2 (+1 spare) ... rather than the complexity of R5 ... unless there is a speed advantage in R5 over R1

[02:01:56]

iamlindoro_:

spalVl: As myth has a direct interface to it, though, that work might not have been done yet

[02:02:09]

iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: Nope

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iamlindoro_:

no speed advantage

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iamlindoro_:

actually slower IIRC

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opentrinity:

some news...now mythtv seems to work but i see only name of channel and there is a message that i have no signal...(is a problem of channel.conf)?

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iamlindoro_:

because it has to calculate the parity bits

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jadams_:

my myth volume controls control system-wide audio, and I'd like them to be application-specific...can this be done?

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mzb_d800:

so the only advantage of R5 over R1 (in this case) would be an extra 120GB (or so?) ... but probably slower .... and I'd only be capable of handling the loss of 1 drive

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mzb_d800:

whereas R1 with n=3 allows 2 drive failures

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jhulst:

jadams_: so it would return the volume to the previous setting on exit? What do you use for capture?

[02:05:42]

iamlindoro_:

yeah

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spalVl:

iamlindoro, Do you know if this a MythTV devs thing they would mplement or something I should bring to Silicondust attention for their linux library?

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iamlindoro_:

spalVl: If the HDhomerun supports sending the whole multiplex, it's just a matter of the work being done in myth

[02:07:13]

iamlindoro_:

spalVl: It's a development branch, though, so asking the myth devs to do it would likely just be irksome, I'm sure they're working on it

[02:07:25]

iamlindoro_:

and it's going to be merged back into trunk extremely shortly

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spalVl:

yea thats what I read, I don't want to be a pain I wanted to test it and wondered if something that should have worked.

[02:08:44]

jadams_:

jhulst, not what I mean. I mean, I'd like to be able to mix the myth apps audio with other apps

[02:08:52]

iamlindoro_:

sounds like jhulst has better info than I on that, but not surprising that it's not quite there yet

[02:08:53]

jadams_:

like, I have music running on that pc under amarok at the same time

[02:09:00]

jadams_:

and i might want to fade amarok up and fade myth down

[02:09:05]

jadams_:

and leave the myth video running

[02:09:09]

jadams_:

but listen to amarok

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jadams_:

when I use the volume controls, though, they control system-wide audio

[02:09:32]

jadams_:

so muting in myth mutes amarok as well

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jhulst:

jadams_: that is dependent on what sound system you have installed, I don't believe that support is in ALSA unfortunately, which is probably what you're using

[02:09:56]

jadams_:

jhulst, I'll switch to pulseaudio soon anyway

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iamlindoro_:

jadams_: myth controls a whole mixer only, as far as I know, so you probably can't get what you want right now

[02:10:00]

jhulst:

jadams_: To do that, I think you would most likely need to install Pulse

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jhulst:

well, there you go

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jadams_:

jhulst, and then it'll work like i want?

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psm321:

hi

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jadams_:

just gets its own mixer?

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psm321:

how can i mplayer an ivtv card's composite input? (want to test some things outside of myth)

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Tanthrix:

psm321: use ivtvctl to change the tuner to composite I think, then just play it like normally "mplayer /dev/videowhatever

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Tanthrix:

"

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jhulst:

jadams_: I'm not sure, I think you'd have to do the control outside of myth, but from how I understand pulseaudio, it would be possible, but don't quote me on that

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Tanthrix:

psm321: "If you need to switch the inputs, type ivtvctl -d /dev/video0 -n to get a list of the inputs. Find "Tuner 0" (probably #6) and use ivtvctl -d /dev/video0 -p 6 (or whichever number) to set it." <--From some random page I had bookmarked ;)

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psm321:

Tanthrix: thanks

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opentrinity:

...why when i perform channel scan all are locked?

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opentrinity:

channel scan from mith backend setup

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psm321:

Tanthrix: hmm the version of ivtvctl i have doesnt have a -n option

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Tanthrix:

psm321: Do "man ivtvctl" and you'll probably find what you need in there, they might have changed it

[02:17:06]

Tanthrix:

opentrinity: Locked as in Locked On, meaning it's successfully tuned the channel

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psm321:

Tanthrix: looks like things moved to v4l2-ctl

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psm321:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Ivtvctl

[02:17:33]

Tanthrix:

psm321: Looks like I'm behind the times! Sorry to lead you astray.

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iamlindoro_:

Who was it who was having all the 1080i lossless transcode problems w/ Discovery HD? xris? GreyFoxx?

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opentrinity:

Tanthrix: but in mithtv i don't see nothing and say that i have no signal

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro_: xris

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iamlindoro_:

ugh, I officially feel his pain... has never been a problem via QAM, but for some reason straight off the firewire my lossless transcodes have taken a nosedive

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psm321:

Tanthrix: no prob, thanks for the help :)

[02:18:40]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro_: That's been my experience as well.

[02:19:13]

iamlindoro_:

Bummer, too! To have TV that looks so perfect but is unarchivable from commercials.

[02:19:29]

Tanthrix:

Aye.

[02:19:56]

Tanthrix:

If you're feeling benevolent, you should take a couple of samples and submit them to the devs.

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opentrinity:

Tanthrix: THE MESSAGE IS : you shoul have been locked signal by now, you can wait for signal or change channel

[02:20:33]

opentrinity:

what means?

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Tanthrix:

opentrinity: Oh, that's different. Generally that means your channels are encrypted and can't be tuned.

[02:20:46]

iamlindoro_:

Very least I could do. Would be good to know exactly where it's failing so I could send them something worthwhile

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opentrinity:

Tanthrix: but with kaffeine i see the channel

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Tanthrix:

opentrinity: What card are you using?

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iamlindoro_:

Although it's failing so quick I bet if I just dd the first five megs it'll work

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overridex:

left/right rewind is really slow – is there a way to jump forward or back in larger amounts?

[02:21:32]

opentrinity:

cinergy hybrid xs fm

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Tanthrix:

opentrinity: Sorry, no experience with that. You might want to double check your setup in mythtv-setup though. It's not automatic.

[02:22:21]

opentrinity:

ok

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opentrinity:

tx

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opentrinity:

good night

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iamlindoro_:

must be awful late in Italy

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tjcarter:

something like 4am isn't it?

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_ben:

gmt+1 i believe

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, I think so

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro_: I suspect the whole damn thing is failing. Do a quick manual 1 minute firewire recording, then try and transcode it. If it fails, hopefully it will be small enough to submit.

[02:24:54]

iamlindoro_:

Tanthrix: I think you're right, but I can just dd out the first few megs of the ones I've got too

[02:25:08]

_ben:

well, Rome is gmt+1

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tjcarter:

so 03:25

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iamlindoro_:

Not promising, the ticket on the issue was opened 10 months ago :)

[02:27:30]

Tanthrix:

hehe

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psm321:

for getting video for a cable box w/ no s-video output, is coax better or composite? (in general)

[02:28:55]

Tanthrix:

In theory, composite, IIRC.

[02:29:04]

Tanthrix:

I suspect there's probably not much of a difference.

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psm321:

composite it is then

[02:32:12]

psm321:

hmm... slightly off-topic (but myth-derived): i dont suppose permissions on /dev devices stay across reboots when using udev?

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psm321:

(need my mythtv user to be able to use the serial port for channel changing)

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pat__:

add the user to the group that owns the serial ports

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psm321:

odd, thats uucp

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psm321:

oh well, works for me

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defaultro:

hi folks, did you see few days ago that Hauppauge mentioned that they will release a capture card that can capture via component? :)

[02:36:58]

defaultro:

encoding will be on H.264

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defaultro:

we will now be able to record any premium channels either cable or satellite but as long it has component output :D woohoo

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iamlindoro_:

There we go, uploaded some example files for testing

[02:38:13]

iamlindoro_:

defaultro: Yes, we saw

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defaultro:

i couldn't wait for it :)

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, who works for Hauppauge, announced it in here

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

:D

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defaultro:

i know him

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defaultro:

he helped me last year with my fusion

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psm321:

anyone know when schedulesdirect is adding the "local access on the 900's" on comcast?

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iamlindoro_:

He's writing the drivers for windows and is going to do the linux one as well

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defaultro:

bAM

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defaultro:

that's is really awesome news buddy

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Tanthrix:

Should keep us a live at least for a few more years...until component is declared illegal ;)

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iamlindoro_:

hehe

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defaultro:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

psm321: SD just buys their listings from TMS, but open a ticket at SD and they can work with them to get it done

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defaultro:

i hate the drm folks

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defaultro:

they're so fricking stupid

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defaultro:

component will be illegal

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iamlindoro_:

My perspective is I really have no problem with an invisible digital watermark... I have no intention of sharing my media on the internet, so watermark my media all you like, but don't DRM it

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iamlindoro_:

FCC should protect component on behalf of the consumer, many of whom *only* have component ins on their sets for HDTV

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iamlindoro_:

ergo their forcing the cable co's to provide analog boxes, etc

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defaultro:

invisible watermark is fine with me as well

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psm321:

iamlindoro_: well the channels haven't "officially" moved yet but theyre moving in 3 days and i'm setting up today, was thinking i'd just enable the 900's versions instead of the other ones that are going away so i dont get weird channel id changes in myth

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iamlindoro_:

psm321: Ah. TMS seems pretty on the ball on most of those things, wouldn't surprise me if you found yourself with a new channel lineup that morning

[02:43:14]

Tanthrix:

Now that I may have a chance to record them in the future, I really want Comcast to get off their ass and add Discovery HD and TLC HD

[02:43:18]

psm321:

iamlindoro_: k

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psm321:

anyone know how myth assigns channel ids nowadays?

[02:43:38]

iamlindoro__:

Tanthrix: Don't have them yet in your area?

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro_: Not in my experience. It's been two weeks now that I've had a channel completely missing data, and another channel incorrectly labeled

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psm321:

(i've seen different behaviors over time)

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iamlindoro__:

psm321: Depends on how you're receiving... ATSC includes the channel number in its stream, for example

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psm321:

i.e. if i have channel 2, 5, and 9 in my lineup (only), will they become 1002,1005,1009 ?

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psm321:

or 1001,1002,1003

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iamlindoro__:

Tanthrix: Sucky, I've had DHD and TLCHD for a while but have ignored them for lack of a way to ge them into myth

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iamlindoro__:

if it's 2 in your lineup, myth will call it 2

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro_: No unfortunately. http://tvplanner.comcast.net/?zipcode=97222

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iamlindoro__:

Tanthrix: But with my recent firewirey goodness, I've been watching again

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iamlindoro__:

Gah! That's terrible, you'd think DHD would be an obvious choice over many of the others

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iamlindoro__:

I have always like Universal HD, actually

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iamlindoro__:

Galactica in HD is niiiice

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Tanthrix:

God I hate that show.

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iamlindoro__:

and all sorts of shows I never watched in the first place like Jericho

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Tanthrix:

Yet, I've seen every single one, and will never miss any future episodes. ;)

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iamlindoro__:

hahah

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iamlindoro__:

well at least they're aiming at a conclusion now, and not to string us along forever

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iamlindoro__:

likewise with LOST

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defaultro:

iamlindoro, do you know when it's going to be released? mid year? 4th quarter?

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: Q1 2008.

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iamlindoro__:

^^^ Yup

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defaultro:

oh, that's so soon ;D

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defaultro:

and it's around $239 right?

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iamlindoro__:

$250

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defaultro:

ok

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro_: That's true. I just hate how damned dramatic it is. And people used to call Voyager a soap opera in space, hah!

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defaultro:

for the audio, is there any stereo in?

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iamlindoro__:

Component and optical in, with optical passthrough, and RCA in as well

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defaultro:

you read my mind

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iamlindoro__:

up to 1080i @ 15 Mbit/s

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defaultro:

BAM!

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defaultro:

i read somewhere it can also do 1080p

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defaultro:

is it true?

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iamlindoro__:

Some sources have been saying 1080p up to 25 Mbit, but that wasn't what mkrufky said so I'll trust him for now :)

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defaultro:

that vbr is alread good right?

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defaultro:

ok

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iamlindoro__:

since he's had his paws actually on one and is writing the driver

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defaultro:

i should really save now

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iamlindoro__:

15 Mbit is plenty good

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iamlindoro__:

the best 1080i cable programming can only go to 18 Mbit

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defaultro:

but got to buy an amp first which cause $200–250 too :(

[02:50:19]

iamlindoro__:

and I personally transcode my 1080 TV to 720p... but this will do it on the fly for you if you want it to

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defaultro:

i am happy with 1080i, it's my projectors best output

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iamlindoro__:

So I'll take in 1080i and save 720p

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defaultro:

cool

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psm321:

iamlindoro__: cool, thanks... that wasnt always the case

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iamlindoro__:

psm321: np

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defaultro:

so the big mean companies, what are they saying about this product?

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Tanthrix:

18mbps MPEG2, not h.264. And anyone who says can see a difference reliably between 4–5mbps h.264 and 10+mpbs h.264 is a damned liar.

[02:51:20]

iamlindoro__:

nice 'cause it'll do my transcode user job for me on the fly, and without using my processor :)

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Tanthrix:

Assuming the encode was done right, that is.

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iamlindoro__:

Tanthrix: I was covering my bases in case he was in Europe

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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iamlindoro__:

three pass ftw

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robbie:

Hi there, for some reason I cannot get a lock on some channels in mythtv, yet i can tune into them with mplayer dvb://"channel name" with the same channels.conf I have used to setup Mythtv. I am using a DVBT card in Australia, and Ubuntu Gutsy with kernel 2.4.22-14-generic and mythtv-0.20.2

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defaultro:

oh, i always see FTW, what does it mean

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iamlindoro__:

for the win

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defaultro:

oh :)

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iamlindoro__:

like "Yay, whatever I just mentioned before ftw"

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defaultro:

gotcha

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Tanthrix:

I only recently learned what FTW means, and I've been on the net since the early 90s. Damned kids!

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Tanthrix:

(Which, I am one of, incidentally)

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iamlindoro__:

Tanthrix: I will admit that I actually hate it, but I have used it a handful of times

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro_: Likewise. It grows on you.

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iamlindoro__:

in spite of having sworn never to do so

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Tanthrix:

robbie: That's pretty weird. Never heard of that happening before :/

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robbie:

yeah

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Tanthrix:

robbie: Is it consistent?

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robbie:

i saw some reference to kernel_hz

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robbie:

yes

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robbie:

over 3 boxes in 3 locations

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iamlindoro__:

robbie: It's possible that myth doesn't have the same stream-handling capabilities as mplayer and can't handle a weaker signal as well

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robbie:

ok

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robbie:

my dad just got a new antenna on his

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robbie:

and still same

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Tanthrix:

I can't imagine anything you could do wrong that would cause that to happen

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iamlindoro__:

mplayer probably has more sophisticated jiggery-pokery for tuning DVB

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robbie:

any special thing I can look for in -v all ?

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Tanthrix:

mplayer is more robust at everything than myth.

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robbie:

its a handy program for sure

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Tanthrix:

Just lacking in all the goodies that myth does ;)

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** Tanthrix will let them take external player support from his cold dead hands, all the same **

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robbie:

is there any way the kernel_hz in the kernel conf can affect it? I saw a reference to that on one site i visited?

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iamlindoro__:

xris: Whenever you come back to the keyboard, I uploaded a few files for testing to your mythtranscode ticket. Any recent developments on fixing this, or notions on what in particular the problem is?

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iamlindoro__:

robbie: If you've seen any reference to that you already know more about it than I do :)

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robbie:

okey dokey

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xris:

iamlindoro__: I saw the ticket get updated

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psm321:

how do i clear all channel settings again? (moving to new location)... somebody told me a while ago when i moved but i forget

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robbie:

i realy dont want to go to the trouble of compiling a kernel, may as well see if its also a boto option

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psm321:

mythtv-setup used to have an option on startup but doesnt naymore

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robbie:

mythtv-setup.real maybe

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iamlindoro__:

xris: I recalled your talking about it a while ago, but was QAM only then and had never seen it... but now I've got FW out and it affects every recording. Wondered if there was any further info on it

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defaultro:

btw guys, my friend sent me this link on his email. He's a Windows guy. LOL. But yeah, the interface looks cool. http://www.team-mediaportal.com/screenshots/p . . . key,8/hit,1/

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psm321:

got it

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iamlindoro__:

xris: Or even better, a workaround :)

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xris:

iamlindoro__: nope. all of that video encoding stuff is way over my head, so I have to just sit around and wait for someone to fix it

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iamlindoro__:

I think that's MePo's new 2.0 version

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iamlindoro__:

xris: Fair enough, thanks

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defaultro:

ok

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iamlindoro__:

Suddenly everyone's doing coverflow

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defaultro:

what is coverflow?

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defaultro:

i hope, someone can write a similar interface like that

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iamlindoro__:

The thing everyone steals that look from

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tjcarter:

xris gets all the people whining about scheduler stuff, not video encoding stuff ;)

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iamlindoro__:

by Apple

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xris:

iamlindoro__: I laughed out loud when I first saw Finder do it for files/folders.

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** xris is just getting used to MacOS again after getting a macbook from work **

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iamlindoro__:

xris: It's sexy, and quicklook is great too, and I think spaces is the best implementation of virtual desktops I've ever seen

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tjcarter:

xris: does this mean MythFrontend is going to stop sucking on Mac?

[03:01:33]

xris:

iamlindoro__: except for the occasional bug where it loses a bunch of application windows for good

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xris:

tjcarter: I only do mythweb/nuvexport

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iamlindoro__:

xris: Heh, haven't seen that, but I have chuckled a time or two when something is bringing up a window as I zoom out to spaces

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tjcarter:

doh, and the buck is passed ;)

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iamlindoro__:

and it draws it right over all the spaces

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tjcarter:

xris: cutlist editing AJAX for mythweb? ;)

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** tjcarter runs =D **

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defaultro:

where there any plans to change the mythfrontend interface?

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xris:

iamlindoro__: if a modal dialog is up, like an "I agree to this license" thing in an installer, and an app in another space steals focus, a bunch of apps never come back to the front so you have to quit/restart each of them to get those windows back

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xris:

tjcarter: not possible with flv

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iamlindoro__:

xris: Oh, interesting. Yeah, just haddened happened across that

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iamlindoro__:

er hadn't

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tjcarter:

xris: the stops and starts should be possible.. Assume the issue is related to frame-by-frame stuff?

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xris:

it has to be a known bug. and 10.5.2 is supposed to be out soon.

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tjcarter:

jumping about to test may not be realistic

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xris:

tjcarter: yeah. flv is by timecode, not by frame

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iamlindoro__:

There will undoubtedly be new sexiness come Tuesday

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tjcarter:

xris: regarding the modal dialog...

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xris:

iamlindoro__: yes... and considering that this macbook is supposed to be returned/swapped because CDW gave us last summer's model instead of the newer ones, I might get something even nicer.

[03:05:45]

iamlindoro__:

And my work friends and I will gather around and get nothing done before noon, whilst pressing Ctrl-R every ten seconds

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iamlindoro__:

xris: Oooh, good tactic

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tjcarter:

xris: it's kinda a known bug, yes. The trick is to hide the new thing immediately to get your focus back on the modal..

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tjcarter:

cmd-h does wonders

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xris:

tjcarter: oh, just command-h?

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xris:

wish apps wouldn't steal focus

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xris:

makes it REALLY hard to click a bunch of links from an email/IM

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tjcarter:

Generally speaking, none should

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tjcarter:

it's bad form

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tjcarter:

that's what bouncing your dock icon is for

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xris:

yup

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tjcarter:

what's doing it?

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tjcarter:

It's a definite bug when it happens.

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xris:

in leopard? all kinds of things steal focus.. safari, etc.

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xris:

lots of users complaining about it on forums, etc

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tjcarter:

weird, I haven't experienced it.

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tjcarter:

I have noticed that certain windows change your focus to them upon loading (fecking Gmail!)

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xris:

yeah, that's one

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xris:

with safari, put it in one space, and mail or irc/whatever in another. then click a link. spaces pulls you to safari

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xris:

as for mythfrontend, I've been pondering just using it in vmware for testing.

[03:15:05]

tjcarter:

xris: interesting.

[03:15:05]

xris:

should be pretty good once I get some more RAM

[03:15:14]

tjcarter:

xris: I just haven't been bitten by that

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tjcarter:

but yes, it would irritate

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xris:

tjcarter: lucky, then.

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tjcarter:

I open Gmail, then open another tab and open something else, and another, and then curse Gmail for pulling me back, then continue opening tabs, etc

[03:16:07]

xris:

X forwarding is so nice... ssh into box, run program....

[03:16:23]

tjcarter:

I dun like X forwarding

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xris:

it's great while I'm still migrating things over from my linux box... better than moving kb/mouse around.

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iamlindoro__:

xris: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /202156.html

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iamlindoro__:

Looks like that guy scripted projectx to do his cuts with the myth cutlist to solve our problem

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VManiac16 is now known as Computer_Czar

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xris:

interesting

[03:21:17]

iamlindoro__:

not a permanent fix, but I think I'll look into it in the meantime

[03:21:21]

xris:

yeah

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** xris tries to find a package for it **

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tjcarter:

why did nobody give me this sooner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7AZ9nCY

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tjcarter:

hahaha

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clever:

tjcarter: ive seen similar interfaces before

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tjcarter:

clever: but the flv is teh awesome

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clever:

tjcarter: http://spritesmods.com/?art=wtcluster

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clever:

using that you might be able to make a netbooting myth box

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clever:

for very little money

[03:27:06]

clever:

assuming the 200mhz can play myth files

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clever:

http://spritesmods.com/?art=picframe could also be used to output a 128x128 status page from myth

[03:29:38]

clever:

its kindof abusing a defect in the way the pc accesses the flash ram to write to the lcd controlers display memory

[03:29:57]

clever:

and the main cpu in the thing is 65c02 based!

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iamlindoro__:

xris: If you need a projectx .deb, I found one

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whodat:

holy cow.. a capture card that you can plug your HDMI out from say a direcTV box? could it be true? http://www.pvrwire.com/2006/09/13/b/

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xris:

iamlindoro__: rpm

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iamlindoro__:

Ah, I'm no help then :)

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xris:

but I can just build it if necessary

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xris:

osx needs a command-tab that only cycles through apps in the current space

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psm321:

does myth have any ability to record fm?

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iamlindoro__:

no, but there's a wiki articale on how to rig something up yourself, I believe

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iamlindoro__:

er article

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iamlindoro__:

hmmm, this script needs some work

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slacker-:

hey there

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slacker-:

having a little trouble with my frontend. it keeps telling me that all my video cards are currently in use when I want to watch tv but they aren't

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slacker-:

I tried restarting everything but nothing changed

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slacker-:

I can watch tv using mplayer

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slacker-:

when I try to record stuff it says the backend recorder is offline

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iamlindoro__:

xris: If you do intend to use the script, it needed a bit of cleanup... I'm sure you're perfectly capable of doing it yourself but if you like I can send you an amended version

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xris:

I'll bug you when I get a chance to try it

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iamlindoro__:

ok

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xris:

struggling with server migration stuff at the moment.. and setting up a livejournal server instance for my wife...

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xris:

apache 1.3 sucks

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psm321:

whats the line limit before things should go to pastebin?

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iamlindoro__:

four or fiveish

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psm321:

VideoBox ~ # grep uucp /etc/group

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psm321:

uucp:x:14:uucp,mythtv

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psm321:

VideoBox ~ # ls -l /dev/ttyS0

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psm321:

crw-rw---- 1 root uucp 4, 64 Jan 12 21:53 /dev/ttyS0

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psm321:

and when i try to run the channel changer i still get permission denied opening /dev/ttyS0 (works fine as root)

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psm321:

any ideas?

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iamlindoro__:

chmod 777 /dev/ttyS0?

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iamlindoro__:

or even 666 should do it I think

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psm321:

iamlindoro__: heh yeah i'm tempted to do that

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psm321:

iamlindoro__: but would like to do the "right thing" if possible

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iamlindoro__:

meh, not an awful lot the entire world can do with your IR Blaster :)

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inkynoo1:

If I want to share photos and music from the Myth Server to front end, what's the best way? UPnP or Setting up a Samba share? Front end is Mac OSX, server is Ubuntu.

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psm321:

can mess up my myth recordings :-P

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psm321:

iamlindoro__: plus, i'm not sure if a chmod will last across reboot with udev

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iamlindoro__:

you've got bigger problems than your recordings if anyone gets that close

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psm321:

mythtv@VideoBox ~ $ groups

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psm321:

wheel audio video games mythtv

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psm321:

odd... that would explain it but i wonder why

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psm321:

mythtv channel changer configuration... can i give it parameters? (the help isn't clear)

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iamlindoro__:

Any external channel changer can be changed, just depends on what you want to do with it

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slacker-:

does this help: MythSocket(8fac640:14): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick).

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psm321:

iamlindoro__: i mean: where i enter the channel changer in mythtv-setup, can i put arguments there?

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iamlindoro__:

possibly, so long as you write it in such a way that the remote code is always expected to be the last argument

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psm321:

ok

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psm321:

one more question... any way to delete a single video source?

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slacker-:

now the backend seems happy to record and I can watch the recording while it's doing that

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iamlindoro__:

I've tried with disastrous results to remove it in the database... ended up dropping all the video sources and redoing them

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psm321:

ok :-/

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psm321:

stupid me didnt delete the old one before adding new ones...

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psm321:

i'm also getting weird errors where it says theres a non-existent channel added to a card, but i see it nowhere in the program

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Yahooadam:

why is my debian box only seeing 1 core?

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blkorpheus:

cause the other is rotten

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blkorpheus:

that was a stupid guess though

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cafuego:

Yahooadam: You haven't yet installed a non-install kernel.

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Yahooadam:

:o

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iamlindoro__:

Bah, this script is a waste, I'm writing my own

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Yahooadam:

2.6.18-5–486 #1 Mon Dec 24 16:04:42 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux

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Yahooadam:

ah, need to get a -generic

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inkynoo1:

Anyone know of a good way to integrate Miro (formerly Democracy Player) content with MythTV? Miro is a Video RSS feed browser / downloader

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jesse:

hello

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jesse:

anyone wanna help w/ an audio problem?

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jesse:

i have a DVICO fusion HDTV3 Gold, audio ran to CD-in and out via sound card... sound is in sync but it sounds horrible

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htpcdvbs:

anyone use a mce remote

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htpcdvbs:

?

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Yahooadam:

many im sure

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Yahooadam:

but your better to ask an actual question rather then a meta question

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iamlindoro:

Who is ghaushe? Does he come in here under another nick?

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iamlindoro:

He owns *only* the bugs relating to mythtranscode failing on HD/DVB material, and hasn't touched them in over a year. Time for a reassignment?

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htpcdvbs:

well i tring to get mytharchive to make a dvd but when it gets to log there is nothing there it fully blank? am i doing something wrong?

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slacker-:

iamlindoro: do you have any idea what the deal is with those socket errors?

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iamlindoro:

nope, afraid not

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slacker-:

crap

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slacker-:

i've killed the database (again). nothing changed

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whodat:

how do i change my tuner card id?

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iamlindoro:

whodat: You don't, they're assigned in serial order in the database

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iamlindoro:

You can give it a label, though, in mythtv-setup... but it will always have the same tuner #

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whodat:

iam: not even by swapping the cards themselves in the PCI slots?

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whodat:

or is it in the order the drivers are loaded?

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iamlindoro:

the tuner id # isn't assigned by the pci slot, nor the order drivers loaded... unless we're talking about something different... are you talking about Myth's tuner id #, or /dev/video#?

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whodat:

i believed they are one in the same. my tuner id #0 is /dev/video0 and so on

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iamlindoro:

They are not one and the same

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iamlindoro:

eg, my /dev/adapter4 is Tuner 1 in myth

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whodat:

how is it assigned then?

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iamlindoro:

er /dev/dvb/adapter4

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iamlindoro:

*which*

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whodat:

tuner id

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iamlindoro:

How is *which* assigned

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iamlindoro:

Myth on /dev

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iamlindoro:

er myth or /dev

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whodat:

myth

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iamlindoro:

It's assigned in the order you add them

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whodat:

ahh. cool. so i can just delete them all and add the in the order i want. thanks.

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iamlindoro:

ok... but they will still come up in random order in /dev/video# unless you write udev rules

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iamlindoro:

or blacklist one and load it manually in order to enforce load order

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whodat:

i just want the order of priority to go to my pvr-500 tuners, before my pcHDTV tuner.

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iamlindoro:

So raise the tuner priority, no need to re-add them

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iamlindoro:

anyway, off to actually watch some TV

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whodat:

i dont think that works for live tv though

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slacker-:

oh great. now the frontend segfaults on quit and takes down the backend as well

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t0ny-p40:

Any idea why lircd is giving me this error when something connects to it?

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t0ny-p40:

http://pastebin.com/m7fed7823

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clever:

yay

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clever:

channel 41 is fixed in my lineup!

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clever:

now ive suddendly got recording conflicts all over the place

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clever:

most of the repeats between channels match up perfectly over several

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iamlindoro:

What are DVB users doing to be able to successfully cut out commercials when they have damaged PTS/GOP? I am dumping an mpeg-2 stream straight out of firewire, but it appears HD recordings dumped out firewire all kill mythtranscode. Does anyone have an external solution that regenerates timecode/PTS/GOP?

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iamlindoro:

There appear to be plenty of windows tools to do so but I'd like to find something scriptable

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Gumby:

hello all. I have a DVB-S card and I am wondering if it is possible to manually tune if via command like. I am wanting to do some testing but I am not at home.

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iamlindoro:

Gumby: Some variation of mplayer -dumpstream outfile -vo null dvb:// ought to work

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iamlindoro:

that's just off the top of my head, syntax may need some tweaking

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Gumby:

iamlindoro: that will allow me to change the channel of the card?

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Gumby:

or something similar?

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iamlindoro:

That'll start playing, and you can change channels as you normally would with keystrokes in mplayer, presumably

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iamlindoro:

It'll play "headless", though (-vo null is no video output) you should see the timecode and information scrolling by

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Gumby:

basically, I'm running a DVB-S card with a Software Cam and I am wanting to test the cam but of course to test it I need to change the channel of the card. hehe

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iamlindoro:

bzzzzt, can't help you any further

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clever:

:(

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Do you think a damaged PTS/GOP is what causes the script to fail?

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iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: Yup

[07:10:26]

iamlindoro:

But I have a feeling it's put in there intentionally for this reason

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iamlindoro:

Since my signal is super-strong and I'm dumping via firewire

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Tanthrix:

That seems a bit unlikely

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clever:

would it be posible to get a guide listing for a single channel

[07:11:06]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: run mythtranscode with -v all and you'll see it yourself

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clever:

where up/down is the direction of time

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clever:

the current guide i can find is a grid with left/right being time(and page up/down change channels listed)

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iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: Not to mention trying to run it through projectx most of the video gets dropped because there are perfectly regular (every second, *exactly*) PTS/GOP errors

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro_: I really doubt the cableco and etc.. care enough to specially add some kind of poisoning to the file to slightly hinder people trying to dump the raw streams

[07:12:47]

iamlindoro:

and every single GOP, in order, 1, 2, 3, etc, gets dropped, and the timecode gets reset to 00:00:00

[07:12:59]

iamlindoro:

So you reach the end of the file and your timecode is... 00:00:00

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iamlindoro:

and it fails

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: My money is that it's something they stick in their for their own benefit, or a side effect of whatever eqip they're using

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iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: Possible, but regardless, it's too regular to be bad signal, especially given my setup/signal strength

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Tanthrix:

Aye.

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iamlindoro:

Am about to test PTS/GOP fix with a windows tool, and I have a feeling it will work, but it doesn't get me any closer to a scriptable fix

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iamlindoro:

and I can't seem to find an equivalent tool in linux

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: I was just going to suggest that you try that, just to test your theory ;)

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infectedRoot:

question for anyone: why does myth keep on going back to the main screen when i click Watch TV

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Tanthrix:

infectedRoot: Generally that means something is messed up with your tuner card.

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slacker-:

welcome to the club

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iamlindoro:

There also appears to be a windows command line tool that should work as well that I could script through wine, but that's ooooogly

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bassboi:

quick question..

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infectedRoot:

Tanthrix: it's always worked before i restart one of my client computers.... tuners look good, nothing's wrong

[07:16:55]

bassboi:

mythbuntu box... need some video card drivers..

[07:17:03]

bassboi:

had an nvidia card in it

[07:17:05]

bassboi:

and changed to ati

[07:17:11]

Tanthrix:

Bad move.

[07:17:17]

bassboi:

i should reinstall?!

[07:17:35]

iamlindoro:

you should reinstall the nvidia card

[07:17:42]

Tanthrix:

infectedRoot: Huh?

[07:17:46]

bassboi:

it's in this machine.. :|

[07:17:55]

iamlindoro:

Buy a cheap second one

[07:17:56]

bassboi:

i put it in the other machine to test if the TV out works

[07:18:06]

iamlindoro:

ATI + Myth = badpoisondeath

[07:18:16]

bassboi:

it was like cristmas watching it work

[07:18:21]

infectedRoot:

Tanthrix: im going to restart my server and see if that might work...

[07:18:22]

bassboi:

i was so excited

[07:18:57]

bassboi:

ya, i eventually plan on getting an FX 5500

[07:19:14]

bassboi:

i hear those are good for PVRs

[07:19:37]

iamlindoro:

Any nvidia card is good for any myth box... Any ATI card is asking for major trouble

[07:20:04]

bassboi:

gotcha

[07:20:09]

slacker-:

Tanthrix: I've got a similar problem. live tv doesn't work but I can record stuff. ideas?

[07:20:26]

Tanthrix:

slacker-: That should be impossible.

[07:20:31]

slacker-:

I agree

[07:21:01]

Tanthrix:

slacker-: I refuse to believe that is possible, so the only explanation is that you are incorrect about recording working ;)

[07:21:02]

infectedRoot:

just minutes ago i finally got my ATI Radeon 9100 to work with myth

[07:21:12]

slacker-:

Tanthrix: seen this before? writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket.

[07:21:20]

iamlindoro:

Does *playback* of the recorded stuff work?

[07:21:20]

infectedRoot:

was in the old shitty toshiba a40 laptpops

[07:21:35]

slacker-:

yes, playback is fine

[07:21:51]

iamlindoro:

hrm, dunno then

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Tanthrix:

slacker-: Never seen that myself. And you're sure you can make new recordings?

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infectedRoot:

pwnt.

[07:22:51]

slacker-:

Tanthrix: yes

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bassboi:

LoL

[07:22:57]

bassboi:

OWNT

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Incidentally, if your signal is so great, why does your connection get dropped so frequently? ;)

[07:23:37]

infectedRoot:

heeh its comcast... duh.

[07:23:43]

mzb_d800:

is there some magic trick with learning and transmitting Sony codes?

[07:24:00]

iamlindoro:

It doesn't, it's an issue I'm having with my router... can't get to mythweb when it drops like that either :)

[07:24:41]

slacker-:

I've got an idea. haven't rebooted for 5 hours. I shall try

[07:25:13]

mzb_d800:

(infra-red I mean!)

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iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: You getting the "something went wrong?"

[07:25:54]

mzb_d800:

I get nothing on my Sony receiver

[07:26:03]

mzb_d800:

the Panasonic VCR is fine

[07:26:14]

iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: But irrecord records them ok?

[07:26:30]

mzb_d800:

it's taken me 24hrs to get irsend to work perfectly (ie. 100% success)

[07:26:35]

mzb_d800:

irrecord works fine

[07:26:56]

mzb_d800:

I've also recorded them on an iPaq h2210, and then relearned them that way

[07:27:10]

mzb_d800:

but I get nada action from Sony receiver

[07:27:52]

mzb_d800:

ah ... wonder if it's 40kHz?

[07:27:54]

iamlindoro:

Weird!

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: Possibly, the forums at www.remotecentral.com would have some good info.

[07:28:05]

mzb_d800:

makes me wonder how the iPaq does it ;)

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mzb_d800:

rooaus: thanks

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: 40kHz shouldn't be a problem, most of the receivers have a wide reception from 36–44kHz or so. They just have peak sensitivity at the nominated carrier.

[07:30:00]

mzb_d800:

you mean my IR receiver, or the reciever in the Sony Receiver ? ;)

[07:30:13]

mzb_d800:

(IR reciever == home brew)

[07:31:07]

rooaus:

Or the receiver in the receiver? :) I meant the one receiving the 40kHz IR signal

[07:31:18]

iamlindoro:

I need to come up with some sort of in-line amplifier for my IR blaster... I spliced on into a really long cable run and the signal is too weak at the end

[07:31:22]

iamlindoro:

er one

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slacker-:

what's that:

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slacker-:

2008-01–13 16:30:47.280 VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed

[07:31:26]

slacker-:

2008-01–13 16:30:47.335 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Overlay'

[07:32:00]

iamlindoro:

slacker-: Are you trying to use XVMC?

[07:32:20]

iamlindoro:

ie, did you change the mpeg library from standard to xvmc?

[07:32:29]

slacker-:

where does one do that?

[07:32:41]

iamlindoro:

In TV Playback settings

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ARfdee:

hi

[07:32:50]

ARfdee:

anyone using myth and compiz?

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slacker-:

it was on 'standard'

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slacker-:

i've changed it to libmpeg

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: Found http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/r . . . ead.cgi?4020 coulod be relevant, depending on exactly what you are trying to do.

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mzb_d800:

thanks, I'll check it out

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mzb_d800:

err.. .no

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mzb_d800:

I'll re-read

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slacker-:

if the preferred decoder doesn't work, does the frontend try the other ones automatically?

[07:42:00]

iamlindoro:

nope

[07:42:06]

bassboi:

:|

[07:42:08]

bassboi:

random

[07:42:14]

bassboi:

do cats fart?

[07:42:19]

iamlindoro:

yup

[07:42:22]

bassboi:

k

[07:42:31]

bassboi:

well then that's why i just got a whiff of nastyness

[07:42:33]

bassboi:

damn cat.

[07:42:38]

clever:

lol

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slacker-:

well 'xvmc' doesn't exist in my database

[07:42:52]

clever:

bassboi: just blame the cat next time the wife asks:P

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bassboi:

clever idea

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clever:

yeah

[07:43:13]

jeffery:

I want to run more than one mythfrontent through my lan connection.. does anyone know if I have to unblock some ports?

[07:43:16]

mzb_d800:

rooaus: no ... doesnt seem to make a difference

[07:43:25]

bassboi:

i rather like it here

[07:43:32]

bassboi:

nice people

[07:43:34]

bassboi:

:)

[07:43:43]

clever:

jeffery: most of the time just tweak mysql and make shure the backendip and master ip arent 127.0.0.1

[07:44:10]

mzb_d800:

mine is a STR-D565 with the RM-U252 remote

[07:44:16]

bassboi:

i like the idea that i can setup a mythbackend, and also have it function as a print server

[07:44:26]

bassboi:

that's just bomb

[07:44:27]

bassboi:

:D

[07:44:30]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: An interesting idea... converting TS -> PS appears to throw out PTS, which in this case is a good thing... and I can script that easily with vlc. Am trying a 200 Mbyte chunk to see if it suddenly becomes usable

[07:44:42]

jeffery:

clever, I just ran the mythfrontend on my laptop and entered mysql details.. it shut down after that and just hangs on the shell

[07:44:44]

clever:

bassboi: ive had cupsd sharing my printer(even to winblows pc's) since before i discovered myth

[07:45:03]

clever:

jeffery: is mysql binding to 127.0.0.1 on the server(check /etc/mysql/my.cnf)

[07:45:50]

jeffery:

clever, checks

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clever:

.

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bassboi:

:-D

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iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: The painful alternative I've been ignoring is that I *could* transcode first with my ffmpeg script, *then* import and commercial flag/transcode... but what a ton of work to get that working

[07:59:08]

clever:

could make a userjob to transcode with ffmpeg

[07:59:19]

clever:

aslong as it replaces the source with the output it should work

[07:59:36]

clever:

may also need to update the filesize in mysql and clear out/rebuild the seek table

[07:59:42]

jeffery:

clever, it was a mysql host permission issue.. do you know how I can give wild cards for host access 10.1.1.* doesn't seem to work

[07:59:53]

iamlindoro:

clever: Already have one, but everything is complicated by the thoroughly broken files (as far as transcoding goes, anyway)

[08:00:04]

iamlindoro:

clever: Ah, weren't talking to me :)

[08:00:09]

clever:

jeffery: you can either give it to all hosts(*) or manualy give out to each host one at a time

[08:00:17]

clever:

iamlindoro: yeah i was talking to you about the ffmpeg transcoding

[08:00:59]

iamlindoro:

clever: Yeah, am already there... bummer to transcode the commercials externally *then* cut them out, but sometimes it can't be helped I guess

[08:01:13]

jeffery:

clever, I given it manually to the particular host for the time being

[08:01:18]

iamlindoro:

then there's the matter of I'm pretty sure myth doesn't do lossles x.264 transcode yet

[08:01:33]

clever:

iamlindoro: yeah you are kindof waisting cpu power transcoding the comericials before cuting them out

[08:01:49]

iamlindoro:

clever: Can't be helped when trying to cut them kills mythtranscode... sigh

[08:01:57]

clever:

yeah

[08:02:00]

clever:

fix mythtranscode

[08:02:13]

iamlindoro:

Heh, *that* bug has been open for 15 months

[08:02:17]

clever:

some of my mpeg4 files from my framegrabber kill it also

[08:02:53]

jeffery:

right now I have mythfrontend running but how do I tell it to communicate with the mythbackend on an other server ?

[08:03:26]

clever:

it looks up the backend ip over mysql

[08:03:52]

jeffery:

ok that means I need to open up the mythbackedn port I guess?

[08:04:04]

clever:

the port is allways wide open i beleive

[08:04:14]

clever:

but the ip it claims to be at might be set to 127.0.0.1

[08:04:23]

clever:

check mythtv-setup->general on the master

[08:04:36]

jeffery:

clever, I have a firewall on the server

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jeffery:

k thanks

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clever:

.

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MilhousePunkRock:

Good morning!

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... not being able to control the Sony Receive is a pain

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mzb_d800:

receiver

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MilhousePunkRock:

If my distro has lcdproc 0.5.2 in the repos, can I use that one instead of compiling it myself to get the vfd on my Antec Fusion working?

[08:16:44]

slacker-:

this is great. I disabled the rstricted drivers for nvidia and it all went to hell

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slacker-:

maybe I should dd if=/dev/zero bs=1k count=1 of=/dev/hda and try again

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mzb_d800:

slacker-: that's overkill ;) bs=512 is more than enough ;)

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slacker-:

hear hear, live tv works

[08:20:42]

slacker-:

I'm getting the impression that it needed a reinstall of those drivers

[08:20:59]

slacker-:

because it actually downloaded a new package rather than using the one it installed yesterday

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slacker-:

and I thought threatening only works for little kids..

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Aval0n:

whats the default mythtv video dir again

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mchou:

well well, life gets interesting.....

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Aval0n:

?

[08:52:41]

mchou:

there is HW to encode H.264 from component in now

[08:53:15]

mchou:

not quite all digital but at least beats cablecard.

[08:53:36]

mchou:

well, not cablecard but 5C

[08:55:57]

Aval0n:

guys what dir is it that you put your mythtv videos in?

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mchou:

s/w audio sync might remain an issue however

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mchou:

drift wont be pleasant

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mchou:

$250

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javatexan:

howdy...what types of files will mythtv commercial flag?

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clever:

Aval0n: somewhere under /mnt/ i think but you can easily change it under setup

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mchou:

ridiculous

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Aval0n:

I don't belive /mnt is the default

[08:58:40]

mchou:

Aval0n: dude, you know why myth source is provided, right?

[08:58:57]

Aval0n:

I just can't remember cause i'm so flippin tired

[08:59:05]

Aval0n:

I already put multiple videos there

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Aval0n:

just cant remember

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Aval0n:

I thought it was like /usr/share/mythtv/video

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mchou:

Aval0n: shit

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clever:

its 5am here and im not tired

[08:59:18]

Aval0n:

but it's not

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javatexan:

will commflag work on a mp4?

[08:59:26]

clever:

you need to rescan before videos show up most of the time

[08:59:31]

Aval0n:

I know

[08:59:46]

Aval0n:

but I have a vid I want to put on now, locate doesn't even find the ones that were on there

[08:59:51]

Aval0n:

for instance I had a TRANSFORMERS.iso

[09:00:05]

Aval0n:

on there but updatedb & then a locate doesn't result with anything

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clever:

i dont think myth uses locate or updatedb

[09:00:47]

clever:

also updatedb by default skips alot of things like nfs and cdrom's

[09:00:53]

mchou:

Aval0n: that's most likely because locate by default doesnt work on external mount points

[09:00:54]

Aval0n:

duh

[09:01:05]

Aval0n:

its /var/lib/mythtv/videos

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mchou:

sigh.

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mchou:

damn digital receivers need to release their damn specs

[09:06:20]

mchou:

I dont think there are linux drivers of any kind that supports digital tuners on PCI bus

[09:06:39]

mchou:

which is really sad when you think about it

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Dibblah:

AFAIK, there are no PCI digital tuners.

[09:20:01]

Dibblah:

They're all I2C.

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mchou:

Dibblah: what are you talking about?

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mchou:

Plently of PCI digital tuners abound

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mchou:

In fact virtually all tuners made withi the last year or so now (at a minimum) are digital now

[09:24:11]

mchou:

within*

[09:24:54]

mchou:

http://www.kworld.com.tw/product_overview.aspx?P_id=48

[09:25:09]

mchou:

http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/boards/PressR . . . p;itemid=408

[09:25:11]

MilhousePunkRock:

I could use some advise on "the most proper way" to get my Antec Fusion's VFD working... Using the lcdproc that's in the mythbuntu repos? Building it from source? Along with lirc? Using codeka's patches? :-?

[09:25:28]

mchou:

Dibblah: there's 2 right there

[09:26:30]

Dibblah:

Oh, right – You mean digital TV card.

[09:26:40]

mchou:

Dibblah: none of those cards have old style "aluminum can tuners"

[09:26:46]

mchou:

Dibblah: no

[09:27:00]

mchou:

I dont mean just digital tv card

[09:27:02]

Dibblah:

The digital tuner isn't attached to PCI.

[09:27:15]

Dibblah:

It's attached (usually) to a bridge chip.

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mchou:

even analog tuner cards have digital tuners

[09:27:54]

mchou:

i.e. no massive aluminum covers

[09:27:59]

Dibblah:

There are a few digital tuners that are supported.

[09:28:23]

Dibblah:

But yes, in general, they don't actually provide nice datasheets :(

[09:30:11]

opentrinity:

...hi if mythtv-setup perform scan channel and find some channels but says there is not locked...where is te error?

[09:30:11]

clever:

mchou: digital tuner for analog signals?

[09:30:29]

mchou:

clever: yup. Solid state tuners

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

mchou: that could be why the digital box is getting so much better quality then the pvr150

[09:31:27]

mchou:

clever: no, that's a separate issue all together

[09:31:43]

clever:

poor quality tuner in the 150?

[09:32:03]

mchou:

mostly no comb filters and whatnot on hauppage 150

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clever:

comb filters?

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mchou:

clever: google

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clever:

low on ram here

[09:32:26]

clever:

and firefox is hungry

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mchou:

shit

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mchou:

dont be a wise ass

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clever:

MemTotal: 255856 kB

[09:35:07]

clever:

ahh

[09:35:15]

clever:

half my used ram was going to a frozen firefox

[09:36:55]

clever:

even the framegrabber also had poor quality on coax tuning

[09:37:49]

Dibblah:

Eh? Of course there are comb filters.

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clever:

mchou: one page on google says 'WinTV-PVR-150 contains a high quality 10-bit video digitizer with 4 line adaptive comb filter to reduce video noise, '

[09:38:14]

mchou:

haha!\

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Dibblah:

The main problem with using the 150 is the mpeg -> analog -> mpeg conversion.

[09:38:30]

mchou:

what bullshit

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mchou:

Dibblah: what??

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clever:

Dibblah: one of my problems is clearly co channel noise

[09:39:06]

mchou:

Dibblah: what kind of dope are you smoking?

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Dibblah:

Oh. Nasty. Analog TV. Sorry ;)

[09:39:09]

clever:

you dont get a 2nd analog freq overlayed and slowly shifting with mpeg artifacts:P

[09:39:26]

Dibblah:

I was assuming you were using a STB.

[09:39:37]

clever:

i am feeding a stb box into the 150

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Dibblah:

clever: What are you actually seeing?

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clever:

the quality problem is when i dont and feed raw coax right into the card

[09:39:52]

Dibblah:

And through what input?

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clever:

i'll get a screenshot

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mchou:

Dibblah: huh?? even if he used STB, that still makes no sense

[09:40:29]

Dibblah:

STB (mpeg -> analog) -> PVR150 (analog -> mpeg)

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mchou:

Dibblah: cause he'd just use svideo any bypass the crappy tuner on pvr150

[09:40:42]

clever:

the STB is tuning to an analog channel

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mchou:

s/any/and

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mchou:

clever: so?

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clever:

and the ir blasster to the STB is slow and dropss digits on ocasion

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clever:

mchou: the fact its tuning an analog channel means theres no mpeg->analog within the external box

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mchou:

then dont use an irblaster. simple. use serial cable or whatever

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clever:

serial cable refuses to work so far

[09:42:22]

mchou:

clever: that's not my problem

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clever:

i know:P

[09:42:43]

clever:

im trying to just not use the external box at all but the internal coax tuner is horid

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Dibblah:

You still get analog STBs... Wow.

[09:42:57]

clever:

the box tunes to both analog and digital channels

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Dibblah:

clever: Define horrible. Is it a ground loop?

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mchou:

Dibblah: dude, stop smoking man. You're clearly stoned

[09:43:21]

clever:

tons of noise

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mchou:

clever: just use svideo and get it over with

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clever:

loading up livetv to screenshot it

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Dibblah:

repeating noise or random noise?

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mchou:

the pvr150 tuner is a complete joke

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clever:

Dibblah: depends on the channel

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Dibblah:

clever: You'll need to do NO_XV=1 mythfrontend

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clever:

i can screenshot using mplayer

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clever:

it has an internal screenshot feature

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Dibblah:

Sure.

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opentrinity:

http://pastebin.ca/853127 ---->what mean?

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Dibblah:

opentrinity: Your backend is either hosed or not running.

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Dibblah:

I would guess hosed.

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mchou:

it means you have a version mismatch between myth backend and frontend

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Dibblah:

Restart the backend.

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Dibblah:

mchou: No.

[09:45:58]

Dibblah:

Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION:

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Dibblah:

Should read Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION: 25

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Dibblah:

or whatever.

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Dibblah:

If it's the wrong backend version.

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mchou:

Dibblah: no yourself

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mchou:

if backend died it would just TIME OUT

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mchou:

front end wouldnt bother saying UNEXPECTED PROTO VERSION

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Dibblah:

Okay. Whatever.

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mchou:

certainly not in 8 seconds

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Dibblah:

The backend _has previously_ been able to hose.

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Dibblah:

In exactly that manner.

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Dibblah:

It's fixed in current SVN.

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clever:

Dibblah: http://clever.mine.nu:81/mythtv/1014_20080112233831.mpg

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clever:

Dibblah: http://clever.mine.nu:81/mythtv/1014_20080112233903.mpg

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clever:

14mb and 18mb but you can probly identify the problem from the first few seconds so you wont need much

[09:49:06]

clever:

one is channel 14 thru the STB and composite feed

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clever:

2nd is thru the tuner in the 150 with the coax going right into the pc

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mchou:

clever: I dont understand why you just cant use svideo

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Dibblah:

But previously, if you ran a monitoring script that checked the Myth status port, the backend would stop responding to queries, which means the frontend times out on the operation and therefore gives the proto error.

[09:50:09]

clever:

mchou: the svideo cable is in use on something else and that means using an external tuner which im allready doing(and not having quality problems with)

[09:50:37]

clever:

mchou: the problem with the external box is the channel changing is slower and messes up sometimes

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clever:

and the internal tuner is horid

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mchou:

clever: just forget using tuner on pvr150

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mchou:

clever: it's a very sick joke

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clever:

lol

[09:52:25]

mchou:

clever: and I'm not kidding about that

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

on 2 the image is allmost totaly useless

[09:52:47]

clever:

can bearly even make out the shapes of people

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mchou:

clever: dude. I'm telling ya, there is NOTHING you can do about that

[09:53:22]

clever:

so how would i go about debuging the serial control of the dct2000

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mchou:

clever: why would you need to debug that?

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clever:

i run the channel changer script

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clever:

nothing changes

[09:54:10]

mchou:

just replace it with a DCT6200, problem solved

[09:54:25]

clever:

thats the one with firewire and all the new stuff?

[09:54:40]

Dibblah:

clever: Doesn't help that the second 1 is a B&W movie ;)

[09:54:48]

mchou:

it has firewire, I dunno about "new" stuff

[09:55:21]

clever:

the box we can get which has firewire costs extra

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Dibblah:

Okay. The problem you're seeing is a beat. It could be a ground loop.

[09:55:55]

clever:

Dibblah: the coax sheild is grounded to a socket near where it comes in the house

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mchou:

clever: so pay $5/mo extra

[09:56:17]

clever:

Dibblah: and with that unpluged the sheild becomes live(the dct2000 leaks horidly) and i gain 60hz noise in all sound and my tvout

[09:56:28]

Dibblah:

(The rolling horizontal lines are the actual problem – It makes the mpeg encoder work too hard)

[09:56:41]

mchou:

clever: you get to record off firewire, that's worth $5/mo

[09:56:45]

clever:

mchou: with the firewire box i wont even need the pvr150 and i can just shove in my new unused firewire card

[09:57:11]

mchou:

clever: so? That's precisely the point

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Dibblah:

It's not definitely a ground loop – Could be internal noise to the PC chassis.

[09:57:17]

clever:

Dibblah: also on channel 5 i even has what looked like a whole seperate frame rolling by from another channel

[09:57:21]

mchou:

ditch the POS pvr150

[09:57:35]

clever:

mchou: i just got away from the frame grabber:P

[09:57:49]

mchou:

clever: that's not my problem

[09:57:57]

clever:

mchou: how about you tell my dad the card he got me for xmas is a POS:P

[09:58:10]

mchou:

clever: sure. put him on the line

[09:58:15]

clever:

he had nearly no idea what he was getting when he got it

[09:58:26]

Dibblah:

Really, it's not that bad.

[09:58:29]

Tanthrix:

clever: Welcome to the 21st century, by the way. ;)

[09:58:33]

clever:

he was mainly getting it for the ir receiver and didnt know it was better then the current card:P

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Dibblah:

clever: Do you have a sensitive AC voltmeter?

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Dibblah:

Something that can read <1v...

[09:58:55]

clever:

Dibblah: i have 1 or 2 osciliscopes!

[09:59:20]

clever:

i was using one on my laptop tvout to see what h/v freq it was giving on the messed up signals to try and fix it

[09:59:29]

clever:

thru random chance i managed to fix it without modelines

[09:59:31]

mchou:

clever: stolen from your local prison ward?

[09:59:39]

Dibblah:

Aha. Right. Disconnect the cable cable and measure the voltage between that and the ground point you use for your Myth box.

[09:59:49]

clever:

but i was able to see paterns in the scope image that matches the shades of brightness change in the blue theme

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Dibblah:

Between the shield of the cable cable and that ground point, I mean.

[10:00:10]

clever:

mchou: my dad works for philips medical systems fixing xray machines

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mchou:

clever: ok

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Dibblah:

You need somewhere under 500mV, preferably less.

[10:00:34]

clever:

Dibblah: without the GND plug on i can literaly feel the voltage between the pc and the sheild!

[10:00:49]

mchou:

clever: I thought you were leading a life of crime is all

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Dibblah:

clever: In which case, you have a ground loop and that is your issue.

[10:00:58]

clever:

and several times ive goten it without even going near the cables

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Dibblah:

Fix that and all will be well.

[10:01:08]

clever:

1 foot on the metal pc case

[10:01:14]

clever:

1 hand on the dct2000 to change a channel

[10:01:19]

mchou:

Dibblah: stop babbling on about ground loop.

[10:01:20]

clever:

suddendly i can feel the power!

[10:01:26]

Dibblah:

http://www.epanorama.net/documents/groundloop/index.html

[10:01:38]

mchou:

the pvr150 tuners sucks and that's a fact of life

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Dibblah:

Babbling? Gee, thanks.

[10:01:55]

clever:

i know the source of the voltage on my sheild

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clever:

in the past ive grabed the coax and dct2000 when they wernt connected

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Dibblah:

clever: So? Fix it.

[10:02:17]

clever:

and i could feel the power between them

[10:02:26]

mchou:

even if he get's rid of all ground loops the tuner quality is still gonna suck ass

[10:02:32]

clever:

only way to 'fix' that is to disconnect every dct2000 on the line

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opentrinity:

who help me please ...i have the maessage You should gotten channel locked by now ....you can wait for a signal...etc

[10:02:51]

clever:

or gnd the line at multiple places

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Dibblah:

mchou: It is bad. But it's not night and day bad.

[10:03:17]

mchou:

Dibblah: bad is bad. period

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mchou:

there is no point in get rid of any ground loops if the PQ still sucks at the end of the day

[10:04:03]

Dibblah:

clever: Can you connect the 150 to an antenna?

[10:04:12]

clever:

Dibblah: id have to dig the rabit ears out

[10:04:23]

clever:

but i do have a dish on the root:P

[10:04:27]

Dibblah:

How strong is your signal?

[10:04:49]

clever:

was it 7 in livetv to view the signal meter?

[10:05:11]

Dibblah:

No, I mean with terrestrial TV.

[10:05:16]

clever:

cant test it now anyway its busy recording something

[10:05:23]

Dibblah:

Ah, well.

[10:05:40]

Mythbox:

hey can someone please help me .. I cant seem to get myth to update its guide from schedules direct..

[10:05:40]

clever:

45 was fairly good quality on the pvr tuner

[10:05:46]

clever:

but down in the low channels like 2 its horid

[10:05:53]

Mythbox:

i believe my router is the cause

[10:06:14]

Mythbox:

i opened port 80 and have the IP address i think i'm to download from allowed

[10:06:19]

Mythbox:

but still having problems

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Mythbox:

is there a log somewhere i could view?

[10:06:35]

Dibblah:

... clever: Hmmm. Wait. Are you actually using the right frequency table?

[10:06:45]

clever:

Dibblah: us-cable i think

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Dibblah:

clever: AFAIK, there's two very similar ones.

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clever:

i'll open up mythtv-setup

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clever:

i was able to scan for channels from there

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Dibblah:

Mythbox: Run mythfilldatabase -v all,nodatabase

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Dibblah:

As the user you run Myth with.

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Mythbox:

what does that do?

[10:08:48]

Dibblah:

Sets more verbose logging.

[10:08:56]

clever:

Dibblah: where do you set the freq table?

[10:08:56]

Dibblah:

But not excessively verbose.

[10:09:06]

Dibblah:

Good question.

[10:09:08]

clever:

wait i found it

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Mythbox:

i think my router is blocking it tho

[10:09:15]

clever:

its at us-cable

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Mythbox:

i just need to know what all i have to open / what all IPs i need to allow

[10:09:28]

clever:

Mythbox: if you can view websites then the router isnt blocking it

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Mythbox:

so i need to view a log sheet

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clever:

90% of routers never block outgoign data

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Mythbox:

yeah but it also pulls data from them

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clever:

thats an outgoing connection pulling data in

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clever:

www.google.com pullls html pages IN but it doesnt get blocked

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bassboi:

speaking of routers

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bassboi:

dd-wrt good?

[10:10:28]

Mythbox:

i'm about 95% sure its my router blocking it

[10:10:51]

Dibblah:

bassboi: No. Most of the boxes running it are not capable of running Myth.

[10:10:55]

Mythbox:

is there an error log i could view anywhere?

[10:11:14]

Dibblah:

Mythbox: It's printed to the screen when you run mythfilldatabase...

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bassboi:

Dibblah, it'll go on my wrt54g router

[10:11:43]

Dibblah:

bassboi: #openwrt

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bassboi:

ah

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Mythbox:

i'm running an HD/SD HTPC .. p4 2.26ghz 512mb ddr, Gforce 6200A 256mb

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Mythbox:

HD looks great

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Mythbox:

and its only a 2.2ghz p4

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Mythbox:

running DVICO fusion HDTV3 gold T

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Mythbox:

decent card

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mchou:

Mythbox: enjoy your local airport?

[10:12:55]

Mythbox:

?

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mchou:

Mythbox: your P4

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Mythbox:

what? lol

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Mythbox:

sorry new to the irc world

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opentrinity:

When i perform Scan importng channels.conf Signal strenght and signal noise is 0%....is normal?

[10:13:40]

mchou:

Mythbox: P4 is louder than your local airport

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opentrinity:

...but found some channels...

[10:13:51]

Mythbox:

mines pretty silent

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Mythbox:

i have a dell x270

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clever:

mchou: yeah my P4 desktop is pretty damn loud:P

[10:14:20]

Mythbox:

bought it on ebay for the express purpose of building a HTPC .. only cost 100

[10:14:38]

mchou:

that's about $100 too much

[10:14:41]

Mythbox:

my desktop is loud but my mythbox isn't bad

[10:15:21]

Mythbox:

i think it was a pretty good deal for the money.. no way i could build one of equal specs for that price

[10:15:28]

Mythbox:

and its tunin my tv just fine

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mchou:

P4 is an environmental disaster in more ways than one

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Mythbox:

seems to like tuning HD even more than SD

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Mythbox:

eh I dont care as long as it continues to work

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clever:

mchou: name a few

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mchou:

Mythbox: had you invested in a more modern proc you would have save more $$ in one year in electricity alone

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mchou:

saved*

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Mythbox:

yeah ok

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DarK:

the AMD X2 BE-2350/2400 for example

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DarK:

they only use 45W

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Mythbox:

electricity only per kW isnt much

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clever:

lol

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Mythbox:

and dropping a few W isnt gonna impact that much

[10:18:03]

clever:

when my hdd went tits up

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clever:

a few directorys

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clever:

got converted into files containing random xml data

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clever:

now dpkg is having trouble deleting things when uninstalling

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mchou:

Mythbox: it's not just a few watts

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Mythbox:

even over the course of the year you're only impacting your total expenses maybe $20

[10:19:09]

Mythbox:

big freakin deal

[10:19:20]

mchou:

Mythbox: it's (watts + heat + noise) * 24 * 7

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mchou:

Mythbox: bullshit

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opentrinity:

if my tv card works in kaffeine it should work even in Mythtv?

[10:19:46]

Mythbox:

lol yeah you're talkinga bout a couple WATTS when they charge by kWatt

[10:19:53]

mchou:

go calculate it out. It's much more significant than that

[10:20:02]

Mythbox:

no, its really not

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Mythbox:

i'm an EE, i design electrical layouts for buildings

[10:20:21]

clever:

mchou: you forgot *52

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mchou:

Mythbox: a couple of watts?? are you crazy??

[10:20:39]

Mythbox:

trust me we're not going to spec a more expensive light b/c it will save 5 W

[10:21:01]

mchou:

Mythbox: you are silly

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DarK:

well...I know who is not allowed to design the electrical layout of my home...

[10:21:17]

Mythbox:

my case already has a low energy rating as far as the cooling system goes

[10:21:29]

mchou:

Mythbox: you know why US is about to ban incandesecents, right?

[10:21:30]

Mythbox:

besides I pay a flat rate for electricity

[10:21:55]

clever:

i pay a flat rate for dsl:D

[10:22:06]

Mythbox:

yeah but there are other reasons for that besides energy along

[10:22:08]

DarK:

my gf has a flat chest :(

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clever:

lol

[10:22:19]

clever:

i dont even have a gf:P

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Mythbox:

dark that blows man

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Mythbox:

lol

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DarK:

hehe:)

[10:22:38]

Mythbox:

i realized a few days ago that i've never dated a girl w/ less than a D cup lol

[10:22:39]

bassboi:

my gf has a flat butt :|

[10:22:56]

bassboi:

not entirely flat.

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mchou:

DarK: count yourself lucky. At least she wont sag :)

[10:23:01]

bassboi:

but, no butt

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bassboi:

haha

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DarK:

indeed

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clever:

start adding more butter to her meals!

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Mythbox:

i've dated 2–3 DDs and a bunch of Ds

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DarK:

haha

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bassboi:

lmao

[10:23:30]

clever:

faten her up

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Mythbox:

i like me big breasted women lol

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bassboi:

i don't want it to go to the front tho!

[10:23:57]

mchou:

big breasted women are a turn off

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DarK:

indeed

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mzb_d800:

better save up for the double-cupped wheelbarrow she's need for her 40th ;)

[10:24:21]

mchou:

they dont age gracefully

[10:24:24]

DarK:

DD's are disgusting

[10:24:30]

DarK:

its far to cheap-american-porn'ish

[10:24:34]

quicksilver:

anyone got any recommendations for a CD playing app that would work decently on a myhtfrontend? So something which looks nice fullscreen and would be easily lirc-controllable?

[10:24:51]

Mythbox:

yeah i know.. i'm starting to cut back on DDs lol

[10:25:00]

Mythbox:

back when i was 18–19 they were great lol

[10:25:07]

Mythbox:

now i'm hittin mid 20s... lol

[10:25:14]

Mythbox:

startin to think C is the way to go

[10:25:17]

Mythbox:

they look great

[10:25:24]

Mythbox:

not quite as much to play w/ tho

[10:25:32]

rooaus:

quicksilver: mythmusic?

[10:25:47]

quicksilver:

rooaus: I didn't think mythmusic could play cds? only ripped tracks?

[10:27:28]

rooaus:

it can. I think if you turn on the media monitor it will start playing. Or put a cd in a go to the select music screen, you should be able to select tracks from the cd.

[10:28:19]

clever:

under disks on the main menu i think are options to play vcd cd and dvd's

[10:28:21]

clever:

and eject

[10:28:39]

Mythbox:

i have a ? .. if i'm going to be using schedules direct do i also wanna use EIT?

[10:28:50]

Mythbox:

i mean it wouldnt hurt to have both working for me would it?

[10:29:02]

clever:

depends on the quality of the eit data

[10:29:18]

Mythbox:

will it override Sch Dir data?

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clever:

havent actualy used eit here so i have no idea

[10:29:36]

Mythbox:

hmm

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Mythbox:

i just cant get this bitch to update from schedules direct

[10:29:52]

Mythbox:

and i dunno why

[10:30:09]

Mythbox:

i have every port i see trying to be used opened

[10:30:17]

Mythbox:

yet no go charly brown

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quicksilver:

rooaus: oh, live and learn. thanks.

[10:31:56]

bassboi:

boobies

[10:32:18]

rooaus:

quicksilver: np :)

[10:32:25]

mzb_d800:

rooaus: speaking of EIT, have you been tempted to check out new EIT in .au?

[10:33:08]

mzb_d800:

enabled Jan 2nd iirc

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opentrinity:

someone can tell me how make work terratec hybrid xs in mythtv?

[10:35:24]

rooaus:

not yet, but I will. I use icetv atm, so would be good to not pay.

[10:35:49]

purserj:

rooaus: it actually works and it's 7 days ahead

[10:37:01]

Mythbox:

hey what is MTU?

[10:38:03]

rooaus:

purserj: What worried me was accuracy, you know what the networks are like here. But I think the fact they are doing it is recognition that PVRs are here to stay, so hopefully they won't mess with it too much.

[10:39:14]

purserj:

rooaus: meh, icetv has to work off the same information as the rest of us so are as likely to be as accurate as the network EPG's

[10:39:35]

bassboi:

i never knew such a cool community like this existed on IRC

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[10:40:00]

purserj:

Mythbox: its a networking term

[10:40:15]

purserj:

It relates to the size of the packets that get sent by your network card

[10:40:35]

purserj:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_transmission_unit

[10:40:47]

Mythbox:

ok

[10:41:10]

Mythbox:

so if its set to 1500 it wouldnt be stopping schedules direct updates would it?

[10:41:16]

bassboi:

naw

[10:41:19]

purserj:

nope it shouldn't be

[10:41:22]

Mythbox:

hmm

[10:41:25]

Mythbox:

well why cant it work lol

[10:41:40]

bassboi:

an MTU of 1500 is pretty common, afaik

[10:41:45]

Mythbox:

i'll log on irc from my myth machine ans post what its erroring

[10:41:46]

Mythbox:

that ok?

[10:41:47]

bassboi:

unless you use jumbo frames

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bassboi:

which uses a 9k MTU

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purserj:

1500 is the standard for ADSL type connections

[10:42:06]

purserj:

Mythbox: use pastebin.ca for your errors

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bassboi:

yz

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Mythbox:

whats that?

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purserj:

Mythbox: it's a service specifically for the pasting of error messages and configs and so on

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bassboi:

ya

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purserj:

pasting that sort of thing in irc tends to flood a network

[10:43:23]

bassboi:

especially if they or long

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bassboi:

are*

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Mythbox:

alright

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mythbox-jesse:

hey guys this is me on the myth box

[10:44:20]

purserj:

funny, this is me on mine

[10:44:34]

mythbox-jesse:

right now i'm in my mythbuntu OS but i have arch installed and having the same prob

[10:44:36]

purserj:

it's also my asterisk, mail server, web server, svn repo, git repo...

[10:44:42]

mythbox-jesse:

had the same prob on mythdora too

[10:44:52]

rooaus:

1500 is the maximum (jumbo frames aside), it can cause networking probs if between you and the destination don't support a mtu of 1500. VPNs, PPPoE etc can have trouble, although usually the networking equipment will negotiate/discover the required mtu.

[10:46:06]

purserj:

bbs tea time

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mythbox-jesse:

http://www.pastebin.ca/853168

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mythbox-jesse:

guys can you please look at that and tell me what you think

[10:46:48]

mythbox-jesse:

that seemed to appear mult times till it finally timed out

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rooaus:

Sorry about the engrish, typing one handed and installing a new laptop while watching tv.

[10:47:14]

mythbox-jesse:

lol its kool man

[10:47:24]

mythbox-jesse:

just lemme know if you think you can help me out

[10:47:35]

mythbox-jesse:

i have zero clue as to why its acting the way it is

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rooaus:

401 unathorized, do you need a username etc for SD?

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mythbox-jesse:

dont think so?

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mythbox-jesse:

what do you mean

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bassboi:

do you need to use a username and pw to use your schedules direct account..

[10:48:59]

bassboi:

i think thats what he means

[10:49:26]

mythbox-jesse:

well i have my video source thing all set up w/ that user name and password

[10:49:31]

rooaus:

bassboi: yeah, sorry

[10:49:40]

bassboi:

im here to learn and help :)

[10:49:48]

bassboi:

linux noob myself, but im learnin

[10:49:49]

mythbox-jesse:

i think myth may be using an incorrect ip address for my machine

[10:50:04]

mythbox-jesse:

i think its using some generic internal network ip?

[10:50:23]

mythbox-jesse:

i'm gonna put in what my router says is the ip for this machine

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bassboi:

i dont think that the IP of your machine should matter... i believe it's something to do with the authenticating process your machine is having with schedules direct...

[10:51:43]

bassboi:

correct me if i'm wrong, veterans

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Mythbox:

i dunno i just need some help lol

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Mythbox:

i'm a newb

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Mythbox:

and it took me forever to figure out why my audio sounded like shit lol

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Mythbox:

turned out it was bc the compressing lol

[10:52:36]

Mythbox:

something about mp3 it didnt quite like lol

[10:52:57]

opentrinity:

i try to disconnect antenna and perform a scan and says that thre is not signal...this means that my tv card is correctly configured....then i perform scan and foud channels of TV digital but when i want to see tv there is nothing...only black screen and thne name of channel....where i wrong?

[10:53:26]

bassboi:

ya... i had problems with my mythbuntu box playing xvid... had to install packages and change video settings

[10:54:15]

bassboi:

opentrinity, AFAIK, some digital channels are encrypted and show no screen... you must find the unencrypted ones

[10:54:23]

bassboi:

again, correct me if i'm wrong, veterans

[10:54:34]

opentrinity:

bassboi: are unencripted

[10:54:46]

bassboi:

they are?

[10:54:53]

bassboi:

hm weird

[10:55:00]

opentrinity:

no are channels no pay

[10:55:27]

opentrinity:

...i see in my tv with decoder

[10:55:45]

rooaus:

mythbox: I am in Aus so don't use SD, there are forums for SD if you don't find the answer here. But can you log into the website with your credentials and do you have a lineup selected there. (That is the extent of my SD knowledge) :)

[10:56:49]

mzb_d800:

what's the name of the record in the db that determines the amount of free space to maintain?

[10:56:49]

Mythbox:

thanks man

[10:57:03]

Mythbox:

everything looked alright on SD as far as my configs go

[10:57:10]

opentrinity:

:-(

[10:57:10]

Mythbox:

i just cant seem to connect to it :-\

[10:57:29]

mzb_d800:

dm: AutoExpireExtraSpace

[10:58:54]

Mythbox:

anyone use freevo in here?

[10:58:58]

Mythbox:

i kinda wanna try it

[10:59:01]

mzb_d800:

heh

[10:59:03]

Mythbox:

but myth seems so much better

[10:59:07]

mzb_d800:

wrong # ? ;)

[10:59:33]

Mythbox:

lol

[10:59:40]

Mythbox:

i was just wondering what its like lol

[11:01:42]

opentrinity:

any suggestions

[11:01:45]

opentrinity:

?

[11:01:50]

Mythbox:

oh snap its working now fellas lol

[11:02:04]

Mythbox:

i reconfig'd my lineup and bango lol

[11:02:08]

Mythbox:

everything is great

[11:02:09]

Mythbox:

lol

[11:02:20]

rooaus:

what was it?

[11:02:34]

Mythbox:

i dunno i deleted the old "lineup"

[11:02:41]

Mythbox:

the configs related to what cable i have

[11:02:44]

Mythbox:

and re did it

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Mythbox:

now its all good

[11:03:16]

rooaus:

cool

[11:03:23]

Mythbox:

yeah

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Mythbox:

i think i may just go ahead and buy a sup to it if this all works

[11:03:49]

Mythbox:

i've gotta set up the whole station here in a bit

[11:03:55]

Mythbox:

then prolly guy a sub

[11:04:04]

Mythbox:

buy a sub*

[11:04:05]

Mythbox:

sorry

[11:04:29]

Mythbox:

how long does it take you guys to fill the database?

[11:04:35]

Mythbox:

seems to be taking me a long time

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Mythbox:

but its the first fill too

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justinh:

heheh another radio station is vanished from DAB. too many stations all doing the same. awww poor them

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purserj:

anyone come across something called hdmi2?

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orkid:

probably not

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purserj:

right

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purserj:

sigh

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wild_oscar:

greetings

[11:27:44]

wild_oscar:

i'm trying to set up my video card and was wondering if anyone could help me

[11:27:57]

wild_oscar:

i'm currently testing in tvtime

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wild_oscar:

and the sound i'm getting is really low

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reagor:

anyone know what the lirc chan is?

[11:31:39]

purserj:

#lirc ?

[11:31:41]

justinh:

#tumbleweeds-r-us

[11:31:58]

purserj:

hey I just increased the population by a third

[11:31:59]

justinh:

#sitbackandwatchthemsuffer

[11:33:07]

justinh:

wild_oscar: some tv tuner cards have volume controls. the majority of those which work with an audio link cable (from tuner card to your soundcard) just rely on the mixer channel to control volume

[11:33:37]

wild_oscar:

yesterday i didn't have any sound

[11:34:09]

wild_oscar:

so today I opened the computer and connected the card's output jack to the board's cd-audio plug

[11:34:15]

reagor:

any ideas where to start on creating mp3 files from prontohex files

[11:34:20]

reagor:

or lirc data

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reagor:

just general raw ir dumps into audio form

[11:34:41]

purserj:

umm, you want to create audio files from a remote control?

[11:34:46]

reagor:

ya

[11:34:54]

justinh:

reagor: why?

[11:34:58]

reagor:

see ipod as a universal remote control

[11:35:08]

wild_oscar:

like I would do to connect a cdrom

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justinh:

there are so many reasons that won't work

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reagor:

and ill show you pages where people have doe it

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justinh:

#1 being that IR signals are on a 38khz carrier. 38khz is a weeeee bit outside of an ipod's playback capability

[11:35:48]

reagor:

but they all recorded their ir signals through an audio capture device

[11:36:05]

justinh:

sounds lame. good luck

[11:36:30]

wild_oscar:

but it isn't being controlled by any of the sound mixer

[11:36:48]

Dibblah:

It's demodulated then remodulated onto an audio carrier. It's a nasty idea.

[11:36:49]

wild_oscar:

(what is the shell's sound mixer?)

[11:37:28]

justinh:

wild_oscar: alsamixer

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justinh:

anyway even if you could get the ir signals out again who could put up with having to select a 'track' to press one button? it's ludicrous!

[11:38:16]

reagor:

i could do it with lirc alsa but i dont have the origional remote

[11:38:31]

reagor:

its not for convienance

[11:38:38]

justinh:

obviously!

[11:38:47]

reagor:

my shitty comcas remote turned on pip and i cant turn it back off

[11:38:49]

justinh:

just buy a $10 universal remote & save yourself all the hassle

[11:39:02]

reagor:

they dont turn off the pip function

[11:39:10]

reagor:

i need to send the pip off discrete code

[11:39:21]

justinh:

turn the box off & back on again?

[11:39:23]

wild_oscar:

justinh: any idea how to set the volume up?

[11:39:29]

reagor:

oddly enough the help key did

[11:39:57]

Dibblah:

wild_oscar: For Myth, search for and follow a guide.

[11:40:23]

Dibblah:

Jarod's is particularly well-recommended.

[11:40:52]

reagor:

i have the hex data for a universal remote made by pronto

[11:41:37]

reagor:

isnt there a way to generate a wave file using the set hex data for audio

[11:41:38]

justinh:

reagor: there are ways & means to get discrete codes out of many universal remotes – such as the URC-xxxx ones

[11:41:55]

reagor:

then just play it through an ir diode...its just voltage

[11:42:09]

justinh:

reagor: and if turning the box off & then back on again doesn't reset it, contact the supplier

[11:42:25]

reagor:

its not the box its the tv

[11:42:38]

reagor:

it has multi tuner built in

[11:42:47]

reagor:

sony trinitron

[11:42:47]

justinh:

so stump up to get a replacement remote

[11:43:28]

justinh:

reagor: you'd have much more luck with lirc_serial & serial port IR blaster anyway

[11:43:34]

reagor:

universal remotes dont have the pip button unless i get an uber expensive super remote

[11:43:50]

reagor:

ie pronto or merannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnze

[11:43:54]

reagor:

srry

[11:44:09]

justinh:

reagor: URC remotes can be made to send out discrete codes. I always said that

[11:44:23]

justinh:

*already

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Dibblah:

Most of them can also send macros.

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Dibblah:

However, this really doesn't sound Myth related.

[11:45:27]

** justinh goes in search of the lamers who are using ipods as remotes, just for kicks **

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reagor:

ya but 100 for a remote i only need one button from

[11:45:42]

justinh:

reagor: not 100 at all. like $10

[11:45:46]

Dibblah:

ipod can run software.

[11:46:15]

reagor:

http://lifehacker.com/software/ipod/use-your- . . . e-145096.php

[11:46:45]

reagor:

the idea is solid

[11:47:00]

justinh:

the idea is a miracle it even shows a glimmer of working

[11:47:02]

reagor:

not to mention your ipod could also be a very discrete tvbgone

[11:47:37]

reagor:

44 Hz, 16bit Stereo. PCM

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justinh:

hmmm sampling a 38khz carrier at 44.1khz.. I detect some strong aliasing

[11:48:02]

reagor:

meaning what

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reagor:

oversampeling?

[11:48:23]

justinh:

meaning it's a miracle it works at all & I wouldn't be surprised if it was slightly unreliable.

[11:48:33]

justinh:

i.e. it's a waste of time

[11:49:06]

reagor:

im not creating cusstom macros to switch multiple inputs and settings

[11:49:16]

reagor:

i just wanna be able to send a couple basic commands

[11:49:19]

justinh:

1. there's no way to turn lirc codes into wav files

[11:49:24]

Dibblah:

You think that's a waste of time? I'm busy soldering up a 4mm^2 28 lead MLF chip...

[11:49:36]

justinh:

2. there's no way to turn pronto codes into wav files

[11:49:53]

justinh:

3. that method relies on recording an existing remote – a remote you don't have

[11:50:11]

reagor:

couldnt lirc just dump the ir output into the alsa driver

[11:50:24]

reagor:

the data is there just in the wrong format

[11:50:34]

justinh:

reagor: it could, but driving an LED from a port is much better

[11:50:53]

reagor:

i see

[11:51:00]

justinh:

look at www.lirc.org/remotes/ to see if the tv remote is listed there

[11:51:51]

justinh:

I'm surprised that switching the TV off & then back on again doesn't turn off PiP though. disgusted infact

[11:52:14]

reagor:

even tried pulling the power for 24 hours

[11:52:34]

justinh:

just goes to show how vital it is not to lose your TV remote

[11:53:02]

reagor:

its weird there are 3 sony tv codes avail for the remote...and one changes the pip to aplit screen and the other makes it a pip windo that changes in size...not turn it off

[11:53:21]

reagor:

true that got the tv free though

[11:53:33]

reagor:

32" trinitron

[11:54:10]

justinh:

if you buy a URC remote they have a customer support line where they can tell you discrete codes. well worth a few dollars

[11:54:47]

wild_oscar:

justinh, Dibblah: can audio on the tv/fm board work without the cd-audio plug being connected?

[11:55:13]

justinh:

wild_oscar: depends on the tuner card. not in most cases

[11:55:22]

wild_oscar:

ie, through the pci connection?

[11:55:28]

wild_oscar:

hmm...

[11:55:41]

reagor:

i have the discrete codes already

[11:55:54]

wild_oscar:

because I was testing my fm tuner with gnomeradio

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wild_oscar:

and it's as low as the tv

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wild_oscar:

so it probably isn't due to the tvtime program

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reagor:

the remote isnt listed in lirc

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justinh:

ahh one fine day users will no longer waste hours/days/weeks/months fiddling with framegrabber cards

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justinh:

damnit. I've known about the possibility of being asked to help with a project this year since before Christmas and now, one week before the meeting I get an email from them to ask if I want to go.

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justinh:

no dates or other details mentioned, mind you, so no idea how long I'd have to book off work or anything :-\

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justinh:

how can I base a decision on that? crazy

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reagor:

is it a oss project or prived dev team

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justinh:

sent my reply. no can do no way no how

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justinh:

fucking hell. just read some of the blurb about it. to even think that they've considered using that for a UI !!!!! (Flash)...

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jarle:

When scanning for dvb-s channels, it says "Updating <channelname>", does this mean that some information about this channel has changed compared to the information in myth's database?

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failbit:

hi

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_banyan:

Hey all... my MythArchive isn't working today. It poops out a few seconds after starting to run with a "ValueError: too many values to unpack" error, and the one time it did run, it created a messed up disk that won't play on a DVD player. Are there known issues there?>

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failbit:

i recorded a movie with mythtv and did cut out the commercials with ... mythtranscode --chanid 1017 --starttime 2006-12-16-20-00–00 --mpeg2 --honorcutlist ... the commercials are cut out perfectly.. but on beginning and end of the movie are some minutes not cut away... is there anything i maybe forgot or did wrong?? thanks :)

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MilhousePunkRock:

Can I use my Hauppauge Nova-T 500's remote with the IR receiver inside the iMon VFD/IR of the Antec Fusion v2?

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Faithful:

when I rip/transcode dvds with "good" quality they end up with lines line the file has been interlaced... any ideasS?

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justinh:

maybe, just maybe the original DVD is interlaced and the transcoding profile for 'good' doesn't deinterlace. just a mere possibility

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justinh:

MilhousePunkRock: probably not. most dedicated IR receivers have microcontrollers in them that only know one set of codes

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justinh:

lol

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_ben:

=)

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failbit:

i recorded a movie with mythtv and did cut out the commercials with ... mythtranscode --chanid 1017 --starttime 2006-12-16-20-00–00 --mpeg2 --honorcutlist ... the commercials are cut out perfectly.. but on beginning and end of the movie are some minutes not cut away... is there anything i maybe forgot or did wrong?? thanks :)

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Saviq:

failbit: have you had the 'cut before' at the beginning and 'cut after' at the end set?

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failbit:

saviq where can i do that?

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justinh:

course not. commercial flagging doesn't detect the the start & end of the show recorded

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Saviq:

when in a recording – go to menu and press z

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justinh:

when playing a recording press E then press Z to load the commercial cut list

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Saviq:

erm... select 'edit recording

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Saviq:

yes that

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justinh:

then you can add your own cutpoints too

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Saviq:

and edit those to your needs

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failbit:

saviq can this also be configured bevore recording anywhere?

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Saviq:

no

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Saviq:

'cause it can't detect this kind of commercials

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failbit:

ok

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failbit:

yes but it could automatically remove this parts just after finishing recording

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failbit:

but anyway .. thanks for you help :-)

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justinh:

wth kind of expectations do you guys have anyway?

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failbit:

justinh u mean me now? :)

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justinh:

you should probably be made aware that commercial flagging isn't 100% accurate every time, so auto-transcoding with cutlists is probably not the best idea if you don't want to be disappointed

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Saviq:

yep

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Saviq:

couldn't agree more

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failbit:

yeah i saw that it cuts out some pieces of the film too

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justinh:

if it's worth keeping, it's worth 5 minutes of your time to go into edit mode to check the cutpoints yourself

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failbit:

but i mean thats clear

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Saviq:

it's not like those guys from the tv stations will help us out with that

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failbit:

commercial cutout is not possible to solve 100% i think

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failbit:

saviq hehe ye

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failbit:

if they would send a signal when starting/ending commercials or the film that would be great *gg*

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failbit:

yeah thats not really the problem :).. i just didnt find this

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failbit:

i tried to correct the mpg with avidemux

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failbit:

but that requires some more work

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failbit:

but i have to say that i am very new to this dvb and video stuff

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failbit:

btw .. saviq do i have to run mythtranscode after i did the manuall correction of the cutlist or can this be run from mythfrontent then?

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Saviq:

frontend will do fine

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failbit:

so the initial file will just be replaced with the corrected one then.. rightß

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failbit:

the mpeg file i mean

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Saviq:

yes

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Saviq:

it will be replaced

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failbit:

thats great :)

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justinh:

.. or not – depending on whether the original trancode borked the file :P

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mkrufky:

(off topic) are there any kernel programmers around? mdelay vs msleep — which is which?

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mkrufky:

plz /msg me

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mkrufky:

there is a #kernel irc room, but nobody ever talks there :-(

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justinh:

mkrufky: is it any wonder? seen #ubuntu? ;)

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failbit:

mkrufky

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failbit:

1554 /** 1555 * msleep – sleep safely even with waitqueue interruptions 1556 * @msecs: Time in milliseconds to sleep for 1557 */

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mkrufky:

hmm

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mkrufky:

so, msleep is the actual wait, and mdelay asks the scheduler ?

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failbit:

you can find this in timer.c of the kernelsource

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** mkrufky checks **

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mkrufky:

thanks, failbit

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failbit:

np

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mkrufky:

justinh: i dont get it — what does #ubuntu have to do with it?

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justinh:

mkrufky: "relp, me cannot build de kernelz.. me nooby plz"

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mkrufky:

ugh

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mkrufky:

gotcha

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justinh:

maybe they were once inundated with el stupidos & just gave up ;)

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mkrufky:

there should be a #totalgeek room for that, no newbies allowed

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justinh:

ahh totalgeeks.. they'll know!

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justinh:

;)

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mkrufky:

or maybe they'd be too busy writing more code to be chatty

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justinh:

be interesting to see what'd happen if somebody were to make a moderated place where people get kicked for asking rtfm questions

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justinh:

#harshbutfair

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failbit:

lol

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mkrufky:

#php is like that

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Huijari:

when installing mythtv-multirec from svn, make install doesn't install ie. mythbackend and libmythtv. why's that?

[15:04:08]

mkrufky:

if you ask the wrong thing, you're kicked before you anybody even explains why

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failbit:

mkrufky .. yeah that happens often

[15:04:19]

mkrufky:

s/"you"/""/2

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justinh:

it's all about asking smart questions then :)

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failbit:

got such probs in cmake chan... i asked sth and got rtfm .. then i got them to read the manual.. they couldnt find themselve

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failbit:

haha

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failbit:

but then they explained to me :)

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mkrufky:

hahaha

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justinh:

fair cop if they say rtfm & it's not in the fm

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failbit:

yep

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mkrufky:

lol

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failbit:

i hatet this

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justinh:

Huijari: I take it you've built trunk before..

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justinh:

make sure your --prefix is correct etc

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mkrufky:

aha,... so its vice versa — msleep asks the scheduler, and mdelay is the absolute wait

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Huijari:

justinh: yeah, i have, and --prefix is correct

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mkrufky:

failbit: any chance you know where udelay is defined?

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blackest:

hurrah mythvideo installs now :)

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blackest:

it wouldn't install yesterday coz of a png file in myth-common

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failbit:

mkrufby sry was afk

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failbit:

i can recommend a good book

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mkrufky:

thats ok

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mkrufky:

i was pointed to http://lxr.linux.no/source/

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mkrufky:

this is awesome

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mkrufky:

i'll never have to grep thru kernel sources again!

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failbit:

http://www.amazon.de/Linux-Kernel-Development . . . p/0672327201

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failbit:

i have that one

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failbit:

udeleay is in delay.h

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mkrufk1:

connection dropped out :-/

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blackest:

anyone use mythbuntu-control-centre its doing something weird it cant seem to install mythvideo without uninstalling mythdvd and v versa

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_mre|666:

eww

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_mre|666:

that's not right

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_mre|666:

i don't use mythbuntu, i use mythdora... but that don't sound right from what i know of debian and ubuntu

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DarK:

blackest: Im using mythbuntu, isnt mythvideo installed by default??

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_mre|666:

how new is mythbuntu?

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DarK:

mythvideo is already the newest version.

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_mre|666:

seems like i never heard of it until like last month

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DarK:

its installed by default. Im using mythbuntu 7.10

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blackest:

i am using weekly builds so it could be something with that

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blackest:

mythbuntu-control-centre has to be the easiest way of configuring a mythbox

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zegita:

hi. i have one question. isnt there a pointer in mythtv? am i forced to use my keyboard?

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_mre|666:

there is... if you have a remote control and lirc setup right and supported

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_mre|666:

i've never been able to get lirc to work right tho

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_mre|666:

or maybe i just didn't mess with it enough

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zegita:

cant i use my mouse?

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_mre|666:

no

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_mre|666:

not inside myth

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zegita:

hmmm... ok

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_mre|666:

i got a wifi keyboard

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_mre|666:

i like a keyboard moreso than the remote

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_mre|666:

so that's why i never really spent the time on lirc

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_mre|666:

just bought a wireless keyboard

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_mre|666:

not wifi, sorry

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jarle:

zegita: actually, you can use a mouse just fine, however it is not visible by default...

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_mre|666:

hehe

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zegita:

can i make it visible?

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_mre|666:

jarle: hmm... interesting

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_mre|666:

might have to play with that

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zegita:

and oh mrej666. i have a microsoft media center keyboard would that one work?

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jarle:

zegita: not sure, but atleast in the config screens you can see the buttons changing colour when your pointer moves across them...

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zegita:

its using ir and it works on my 360

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zegita:

jarle: yeah ive noticed

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jarle:

zegita: can't seem to get the mouse working in the main menu though...

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whodat:

I want to save disk space but unsure if i should transcode to rtjpeg or mpeg4. I dont want any noticable loss of quality. which would be better?

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clever:

whodat: rtjpeg eats several gig/hour

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whodat:

cleve: why is it the default transcode if it doesnt save any diskspace over the original mpeg2 files?

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clever:

all my profiles where defaulting to mpeg4

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clever:

ive heavily changed them since though

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clever:

the space usage is mainly controled by the bitrate

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clever:

most of my profiles are mpeg4 at diff rates

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whodat:

ahh. maybe its knoppmyth defaults then.

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clever:

under setup->tv->record profiles you can change it

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_mre|666:

so is transcode the program or does it use ffmpeg to convert the mpg to avi?

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clever:

and nearby you can change which is the deafult

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clever:

it uses mythtranscode

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_mre|666:

hmm... ok, how does it work?

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_mre|666:

been thinking of setting it up

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whodat:

once i convert them, it would be nice that they dont change to .nuv files so i dont have to load extra codec's on a pc to watch them.. if i use mpeg4 will it do that?

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clever:

mpeg and rtjpeg both go into .nuv

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_mre|666:

.nuv?

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_mre|666:

a divx format?

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clever:

nupple something

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whodat:

hmm. i guess i would need some sort of user job to have mpeg4 inside of .mpg?

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clever:

or fix mythtranscode:P

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whodat:

i dont think the 'powers that be' consider it broken =) .. they like nuv.

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clever:

mythtranscode and framegrabbing produce nuv files

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clever:

both are also semi broken in trunk and produce double the set bitrate

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whodat:

??

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whodat:

so whatever i set the slider too in my recording profile, it will do double that?

[16:03:42]

clever:

if your on the bleeding edge from trunk

[16:03:58]

whodat:

oh, i just run the latest knoppmyth

[16:04:03]

clever:

2200kbit/sec would give you 1gig/hour of video

[16:04:12]

clever:

the audio track probly adds to that some

[16:05:48]

clever:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4240 is the ticket

[16:06:06]

whodat:

i am also not sure exactly where i want to turn on mythtranscode. there is an option in tv settings->general [x] default transcode setting... and there is also an option [x] auto transcode in each encoding profile. do i turn both on?

[16:06:43]

whodat:

and there is also a setting for each channel... i think both in the front end menu.. and in the mythtv-setup. its all over the place lol.

[16:06:44]

justinh:

you know, native recording to mpeg formats is being considered

[16:07:15]

justinh:

but then if less people used lamegrabbers in the 1st place...

[16:07:15]

whodat:

justin: awsome as a possum!

[16:07:36]

clever:

whodat: under the encoding profile(for the card) you have to enable auto transcoding

[16:07:49]

clever:

whodat: then you also have to enable it under any recording rules you want to auto transcode

[16:08:06]

justinh:

I'll tell you what's awesome. the miracle of life. the sun.. etc. anything in a program cannot by definition be awesome :P

[16:08:16]

whodat:

heh, lol

[16:08:39]

justinh:

unless you mean awesome-lite used by bloggers the world over ;)

[16:08:39]

whodat:

clever: so then whats that option in tv settings-> general for?

[16:09:07]

whodat:

justinh: haven't heard that one..

[16:09:26]

clever:

whodat: the one for default sets what the default is when you manualy transcode from the recording list

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clever:

whodat: hit the right arrow on that list and go jobs->transcode

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whodat:

clever: ahh! manual transcode.. k

[16:09:50]

clever:

urusai! urusai! urusai!

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zegita:

when i start up mythtv it asks me some questions about my database. cant i skip that part?

[16:09:54]

justinh:

like awesome, only its meaning has been used for anything minor, making somebody happy...

[16:10:12]

whodat:

uruWHAT?

[16:10:23]

justinh:

zegita: you can skip installing dependencies too but that won't make it work

[16:10:38]

justinh:

skipping reading the docs never helps either

[16:11:19]

clever:

whodat: wrong key

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zegita:

its cause i dont have the info about my database right now

[16:11:27]

clever:

whodat: those buttons are close together

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whodat:

lol

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justinh:

zegita: if you want it to work, you need a database

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clever:

whodat: urusai is japanese for shut up!

[16:12:19]

whodat:

lol japanese doesnt even use the alphabet

[16:12:22]

zegita:

i have a database but i just dont know anything about it. its not me whose administrating it

[16:12:47]

justinh:

zegita: which distro? and whose docs are you working from to install it?

[16:13:03]

clever:

whodat: all japanese char's have a set of 'romaji' which are a-z that give out a similar sound

[16:13:10]

zegita:

ubuntu

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clever:

whodat: urusai is how you would spell it in romaji

[16:13:30]

justinh:

zegita: so I suggest you look in the ubuntu community documentation about mythtv

[16:13:38]

whodat:

clever: oh so its basicly phonetic spelling?

[16:13:43]

zegita:

ok

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clever:

whodat: yeah

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clever:

whodat: japanese has 3 main sets of 'letters'

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DarK:

whodat: the japanese language exists of more than 10 000 "signs". If they didnt have a phonetic spelling, did u think they had keyboards with 10 000 keys? :)

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Aval0n:

mornin guys

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Aval0n:

clever don't you ever sleep?

[16:16:21]

Aval0n:

:)

[16:16:29]

justinh:

he's a bot

[16:16:35]

clever:

Aval0n: i sleep when you least expect it:P

[16:16:59]

DarK:

sleep is for ppl with no caffeine

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justinh:

he has nano snoozes after pressing ENTER

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justinh:

well, I better go fit a new draught excluder or I'll be hauled up for 'doing nothing' this weekend

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whodat:

dark: yah i always wondered how they got all those on the keyboard!!

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failbit:

mh i am just trying to edit a recording.. how exactly can i add/remove a cutpoint?

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failbit:

i have the blue bar with the red cut-out bars in it in front of me and can move the cursor on the bar

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Saviq:

failbit: go into a recording, chose 'edit recording' from menu

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failbit:

saviq thats where i am already

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Saviq:

failbit: if you have commflags, press 'Z' for the commercial flags to be converted into cutpoints

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justinh:

failbit: the cursor can be moved with left & right arrow keys

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Saviq:

and then OK, Select or Enter or whatever's your remote like to set / edit cutpoint

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justinh:

failbit: you change the amount the cursor can be moved by using the up & down arrow keys. to set a point at the cursor position press Select to bring up a menu

[16:21:53]

justinh:

or just RTFM in the wiki – it even has pictures

[16:22:01]

Saviq:

yeah – or that

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failbit:

url? .. then im jsut gonna read that

[16:22:24]

Saviq:

http://www.google.com

[16:22:43]

failbit:

i did some google research but didnt find the wiki entry

[16:22:44]

failbit:

mh

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials

[16:23:08]

failbit:

thanks

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Saviq:

failbit: first result for 'mythtv wiki edit recording'

[16:23:22]

** justinh mutters something about lazy people **

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zegita:

i have this thing: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/08/15/microsoft_mce_keyboard/

[16:24:09]

zegita:

does any of you know what i could use it for. a friend of mine gave it to me.

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Saviq:

zegita: you need to set xorg to use all of them buttons

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zegita:

i cant even make it connect to my pc

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Saviq:

bluetooth, is it?

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zegita:

i dont have an ir receiver. yes for another product but it doesnt connect to it. no ir

[16:27:06]

zegita:

it can turn on my 360 :)

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zegita:

but no more than that

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iamlindoro:

So. I have a problem with mythtranscode and firewire recordings. It appears that the same thing often happens to DVB users and maybe someone has a workaround. As near as I can tell, because it is dumping a TS in the middle of the stream, timestamps start as absolute values rather than ones relative to the start of the recording (ie, first PTS is 34563.00, second is 34564.00, etc instead of 00.00, 01.00, 02.00 etc).

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Saviq:

zegita: have you succesfully used a remote with your ir receiver?

[16:27:51]

zegita:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

The PTS is considered invalid or bad, though so the GOP for it gets thrown out

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Saviq:

zegita: are you able to irrecord the keyboard?

[16:28:28]

zegita:

irrecord?

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iamlindoro:

and mythtranscode in lossless mode throws out every GOP, all the way reseting the timecode to 00.00, until the end, where it fails

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Saviq:

you need to 'teach' lirc to know a new keyboard

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Saviq:

s/keyboard/remote/

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Saviq:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote#MCE_Keyboard

[16:31:06]

iamlindoro:

One workaround is to Transcode to some other format first, then reimport and commflag, export the cutlist as an EDL, and use mencoder to cut out the commercials with the EDL... but that's oooogly. The bug open on this issue has been open for 15 months and is assigned to someone who owns no other bugs. Any notion of how to fix this? It seems like it might work to identify any TS with mythtranscode and map the first PTS to 00

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Saviq:

zegita: that link's for you to read

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zegita:

oh thanks

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justinh:

iamlindoro: tried running it through a quick ffmpeg? ffmpeg -i $file -acodec copy -vcodec copy ? might fix it

[16:42:31]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, tried, no joy. :( It preserves the PTS's, which are still faulty.

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justinh:

bah

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iamlindoro:

It *does* work to do a transcode to another format entirely, which discards the PTS's and writes them anoew.. but you can imagine why I might want to avoid that

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iamlindoro:

er anew

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justinh:

what about projectx ?

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justinh:

or demux & remux it

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iamlindoro:

fails for the same reason

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iamlindoro:

won't even demux

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justinh:

file under sh1t

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iamlindoro:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

I guess a lot of the tools can't wrap their heads around the fact that the PTS's might be calculated as absolute (relative to some arbitrary moment when someone turned on the headend) versus from the start of the stream

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justinh:

iamlindoro: in the UK sometimes mythtranscode (lossless mpeg2) fails. maybe for a similar reason

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Yeah, that's my suspicion

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justinh:

could the code be changed to rework the timecodes?

[16:45:40]

failbit:

is it normal that i get a .nuv file from the transcoder?

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iamlindoro:

I hope so... I am far below even amateur coding level but I try to at least offer productive suggestions so am giving it a look

[16:46:29]

iamlindoro:

It appears that there are a few little windows command line utilities that just rewrite PTS by doing a simple mapping relative to the beginning of the file, that method might be borrowable

[16:47:12]

iamlindoro:

and I'm just learning that one of them runs in wine, so I might have a temporary scriptable workaround... but nobody would call it elegant.

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failbit:

how can i configure the transcoder so that it just generates mpg as output without the cutouts

[16:51:26]

failbit:

cutting did already work .. but i dont want that .nuv

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justinh:

failbit: unless you use an external script as a user job to transcode, you can't do anything but nuv

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justinh:

the docs say as much

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justinh:

docs docs docs docs docs docs

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failbit:

justinh

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failbit:

thats why i need mpeg

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failbit:

i have a shellscript for transcoding

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failbit:

justinh i know there is an option in the console for receiving mpeg as output as well.. abut can i configure the mythfrontend to do that as well?

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failbit:

that would be the last thing i need

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Saviq:

UserJob

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failbit:

saviq .. i know that options

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failbit:

but

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justinh:

but nothing

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failbit:

?

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Saviq:

that's all you need

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_job

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Saviq:

there're no butts

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failbit:

the thing is i dont want to get a .nuv to just convert it to .mpg and then convert with my script

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failbit:

thats the point

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failbit:

if its possible to get a .mpg from the transcoder as well

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justinh:

IT ISN@T

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failbit:

i could skip one step

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justinh:

jesus man how many more frigging times?!

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failbit:

ok

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failbit:

thanks

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justinh:

it's not yet possible to output anything other than a format mythtv uses from its internal transcoder

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failbit:

justinh i just wondered because in the console you can get .mpg with mythtranscode

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justinh:

do us a favour and _read_ folks' replies please, then we'll all save time & effort and there'll be no need for anybody to lose their patience

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Saviq:

failbit: then don't do transcodes

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Saviq:

create a userjob with the command which output you're happy with

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failbit:

yeah but i need to get rid of the cuts first

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failbit:

and i just tried with the transcoder

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failbit:

mythcommflag --gencutlist ...when i do this, does it use all the flags i set too?

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failbit:

because then i could get my result with mythtranscode and i would be happy

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code-r:

ok any thing i cna do to help reduce the strain on the system when playing an mpeg2?

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GreyFoxx:

code-r: what resolution mpeg/what kinda of cpu speed ?

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code-r:

pvr150 recording (so 720x680)

[17:17:29]

code-r:

AMD Duron(tm)

[17:17:32]

code-r:

1260.002

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code-r:

flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow up ts

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code-r:

and running an nvidia AGP 5200 binary

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GreyFoxx:

that should have no problem playing that

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GreyFoxx:

I assume you are using the nvidia driver and not the opensource nv driver ?

[17:18:30]

Seeker`:

I transcoded a recorded fie to get rid of the adverts, and its still the same size

[17:18:37]

code-r:

GreyFoxx: binary

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code-r:

GreyFoxx: if the slave is doing anything else (like mythweb) it starts skippin

[17:18:58]

whodat:

every once in a while my video pauses for a second or two (not very often)... any settings to change for this or should i just double my memory? =)

[17:19:00]

Seeker`:

actually, one file is slightly bigger :S

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clever:

code-r: im able to get mpeg2 to play on my 400mhz

[17:19:10]

GreyFoxx:

code-r: My P3 650 can easily play a file like that

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GreyFoxx:

so you must have somthing else going on without realizing it

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code-r:

+GreyFoxx: im currently not running XcVM

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GreyFoxx:

code-r: I never used XVMC

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code-r:

GreyFoxx: IVTV

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code-r:

?

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GreyFoxx:

same here

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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code-r:

hmm

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code-r:

why would it be skipping

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code-r:

4779 mythuser 20 0 337m 155m 38m S 49.8 20.5 35:22.85 mythfrontend

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code-r:

runns between 49–70%

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code-r:

back end is at .03

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GreyFoxx:

try running top ? See if you see anything else spike up when it skips?

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GreyFoxx:

most of my frontends are celeron733 with 128meg of ram, no swap and can easily play that so your 1.2 should be able to

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siXy:

also output of uptime would be handy

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GreyFoxx:

what Window manager ?

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code-r:

top 3

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code-r:

4779 mythuser 20 0 337m 155m 38m S 54.4 20.5 36:14.51 mythfrontend

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code-r:

5334 root 20 0 37228 27m 4684 R 32.5 3.6 0:04.95 yum

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code-r:

4768 root 20 0 83456 68m 18m S 11.3 9.0 10:07.29 X

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code-r:

Ratpoison

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code-r:

running startx via bash profile via inittab login

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siXy:

code-r: uptime?

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GreyFoxx:

what is a package manager isn't it ?

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code-r:

no GDM

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whodat:

code: hehe mine is 10–14% :)

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code-r:

yeh...

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code-r:

but same thing happens when i jump onto mythweb to check recordings or w/e

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GreyFoxx:

wh is it chewing 32% ?

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siXy:

GreyFoxx: ratpoison is a lightwieght WM

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code-r:

4779 mythuser 20 0 337m 155m 38m S 56.8 20.5 36:54.97 mythfrontend

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code-r:

10683 apache 20 0 29064 10m 3488 S 12.6 1.4 0:02.39 httpd

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GreyFoxx:

siXy: yeah I know, I had meant to type "yum is a package manager" :)

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siXy:

GreyFoxx: ah :)

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code-r:

10688 apache 20 0 26756 8240 3432 S 18.6 1.1 0:01.81 httpd

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code-r:

no yum ...

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venger:

anyone successfully runing mythbackend on 64-bit, i booted up a 2.6.23.1 amd64 image and everything look good system wide except some ioctl32 errors which looked like ivtv couldn't initialize the hauppauge 150 card that i have.

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code-r:

regardles.. 50% is ok for front end?

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siXy:

code-r: output of uptime please?

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GreyFoxx:

code-r: 50% should play without stuttering

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code-r:

top – 12:25:03 up 21:55, 5 users, load average: 1.78, 2.20, 2.22

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siXy:

single cpu?

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code-r:

yes

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siXy:

2.22 15 min average is telling me something is wrong with your system then.

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siXy:

can you paste ps -elf to http://rafb.net/paste

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code-r:

???

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opentrinity:

hi, itry to configure mythtv...all seems to configured well but when i want to see tv i see only black screen and a name of channels

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** GreyFoxx heads out **

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code-r:

ooo.. yeh i been yum removing packages..

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opentrinity:

if someone want help me i send in the email screenshot...

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code-r:

so "nice -n20 " is Lowest priority rigt

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clever:

i allways get confused by that

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code-r:

20 is lower -20 is heighest

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Saviq:

failbit: you here?

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clever:

19 is a low prio job i have in the bg

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clever:

-20 is probly the highest prio

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makomk:

Hi. mythtv-setup in trunk is failing to open my DVB-T card. I definitely have permission to access it, and it works fine with dvbscan. Any suggestions?

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iamlindoro_:

You haven't set up a listings source

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failbit:

saviq yes

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opentrinity:

this is mythbackend log http://pastebin.ca/853545

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Saviq:

failbit: mythcommflag --gencutlist does what you've already done by pressing Z in editing

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: 2008-01–13 18:21:31.272 DVBChan(0) Warning: Your frequency setting (1000000) is out of range. (min/max:174000000/862000000)

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Saviq:

mythtranscode will use the current cutlist that you've created by importing commflags into it and editing it afterwards

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failbit:

so when i edited all in the frontend i just have to do mythtranscode --honorcutlist ?

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Saviq:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: That is your problem... your frequency table is wrong

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failbit:

saviq thank you very much

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Saviq:

cheers

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opentrinity:

:-/ ....where i found my frequencies tab?

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Saviq:

now you only need to set up your userjob and you're off

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failbit:

saviq .. yep :)

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iamlindoro_:

makomk: My message above was to you: You haven't set up a listings source. That's the most common reason myth says it can't open the card in mythtv-setup (I assume you mean when you go to channel scan)

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: In the channel editor, bu it probably came from a broken channels.conf imported by you

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: The channel editor is the last option in mythtv-setup

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro_ i copy it-venezia and with scan command i make channel.conf and imported in mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

Copied it from where?

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opentrinity:

.... it-venezia is wrong?

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iamlindoro_:

I don't know, I'm just saying that channels.conf file appears to have been invalid

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makomk:

iamlindoro_: thanks, but that I don't think that's it. I have a video source set up and bound to the card, and its listings come from EIT only.

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code-r:

"[mpeg4 @ 0x66de480]rc buffer underflow"

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code-r:

why do i get that

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code-r:

ffmpeg -i "$1" -vcodec mpeg4 -vtag DIVX -b 700k -qmin 3 -qmax 5 -bufsize 4096 -qmin 2 -qmax 10 -g 300 -acodec mp3 -ab 128k -async 50 -aspect 4:3 -s 720:480 -r 30 "$2"

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iamlindoro_:

#ffmpeg

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code-r:

right :)

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code-r:

so why is 2.2 15min bad?

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Seeker`:

code-r: It means that the load on your processer has been high for the last 15 mins

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siXy:

on a single core system, it means that on average over the last 15 minutes there have been 1.2 processes waiting around for the cpu to be availiable (ok thats technically not quite right, but the technically-correct explanation is complex)

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Seeker`:

generally, a load of > 1 per processor is bad

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Seeker`:

and that means that, on average, you have had more than twice as much work as the processor can handle queued up for the last 15 imns

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clever:

Seeker`: ive had a loadavg over 100 before!

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code-r:

aaaaa

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro_ where i found the correct freq table?

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Seeker`:

mind you, with a 2800+, I am transcoding and watching live TV, I have a load average of 2.1, 1.82, 1.47, and I'm not getting stuttering or anything

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clever:

Seeker`: ive got a dualcore here and i can have 2 transcodes+2boincjobs+myth and posibly a cpu hungry java game

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clever:

and still not have problems!

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Seeker`:

clever: cool

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clever:

yeah

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Seeker`:

clever: I have a dual core on my main computer, but I dont run myth on that

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clever:

this core2duo outdoes every other pc i have

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Seeker`:

clever: which processor?

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clever:

the thing just shreds thru the backed up transcode jobs i sometimes get

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clever:

model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7100 @ 1.80GHz

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clever:

flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm

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Seeker`:

hmm

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clever:

bogomips : 3594.13

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clever:

cache size : 2048 KB

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clever:

x2

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Seeker`:

I wonder what my E6750 would do to it

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siXy:

clever: bear in mind that, like my explanation, Seeker`'s is also very very oversimplified.

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

frontend firing up

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clever:

2 boinc jobs going full tilt at nice level 19

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Seeker`:

clever: My E6750 is a C2D, with ~5k bogomips, and 4096 cache size

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clever:

ah

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Seeker`:

so I suspect it would get through stuff pretty quickly :)

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clever:

under mythtv-setup you can set jobs to run on any host

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Seeker`:

hmm, why when I transcode stuff to get rid of adverts, does the file size increase?

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clever:

then run a slave backend on every frontend and they will share the loads

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clever:

Seeker`: svn trunk?

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siXy:

Seeker`: because you are transcoding to a higher bitrate format, probably

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Seeker`:

clever: Whatever mythbuntu uses

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clever:

dont know what version that is

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clever:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4240 was my first thought

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Seeker`:

Its not that much

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siXy:

clever: no. mythbuntu will use some iteration of .20

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clever:

ah

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Seeker`:

my simpsons episode went from 1.1GB to 1.2GB

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siXy:

its his transcode settings

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Seeker`:

my livetv record is set to mpeg2 – with a bitrate of 4500 (max 6000)

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Seeker`:

what transcoder settings should I be using to get something of similar quality out?

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Seeker`:

It only has the options to use mpeg4 and RTjpeg

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clever:

a loseless transcode will go faster and not change the quality at all

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siXy:

Seeker`: only ever change the format if you need to make it smaller. otherwise do lossless

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Seeker`:

ok

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Seeker`:

well, i wanted to make it smaller by cutting out the ads

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siXy:

Seeker`: do lossless

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whodat:

what the heck is the difference between 'recording group' and 'playback group'

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Seeker`:

yeah, I'm trying it now

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Seeker`:

Recording profiles set the quality / resolution etc. of video to be recorded – basically recording options

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Seeker`:

playback group sets the playback options, like how much to seek through the video when you press left / right

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Seeker`:

afaik

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siXy:

whodat: well a recording group is for recording. a playback group is for playback

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siXy:

for a more thourough investigation of the difference, see any dictionary

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro_ is normal that when i perform scan find the right channels but when i want to see mythbacend tell me Warning: Your frequency setting (1000000) is out of range. (min/max:174000000/862000000)

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whodat:

sixy: i am talking more along the lines of when you hit 'm' when viewing recordings.. it is a bit confusing as to if its showing recording groups or playback groups. it just says 'categories'

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whodat:

actually it has 'groups' and then 'categories'. i am guessing 'groups' is recording groups and 'categories' is 'playback groups'?

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clever:

playback groups let you apply some playback settings to files

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clever:

recording groups help to limit whats displayed in the recording list and other areas

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siXy:

whodat: categories is different from both playback and recording groups

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Seeker`:

siXy: Thats better – 3.6GB -> 2.6GB after adverts removed

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whodat:

okay so the media library in no way sorts by playback group

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Seeker`:

whodat: You can change that I think

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Seeker`:

In the tv settings->playback options I believe

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clever:

i now have 4 major cpu hungry programs running at once

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clever:

with only 2 cores

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Seeker`:

hmm, lossless transcoding seems to introduce some artifacts

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venger:

when booting a 64bit kernel image, my hauppauge card cannot be found/setup by mythbackend. running on 32bit is fine w/no change. Anyone have some ideas? http://pastebin.ca/853623

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opentrinity:

there is an italian guy that could help met to find channels mistake?

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iamlindoro:

opentrinity: I think it's going to be hard to find another Italian user... it's possible that there some problem with myth itself using italian frequency tables that's never been noticed because nobody has tried before

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro http://pastebin.ca/853643 this is scan output...can u help me to understand if something is wrong?

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iamlindoro:

opentrinity: That's scan, not myth... scan may work fine. In fact, it looks fine. But *mythtv* may have some issue with Italian frequency tables, and it's possibly nobody ever knew because there haven't been italian myth users trying until now

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iamlindoro:

I am looking at the code right now to see if there's anything obvious

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opentrinity:

... ok..tx iamlindoro

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro i found a web site of an italian guy that use mythtv....:-/

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iamlindoro:

opentrinity: I am looking at the frequency tables... you are using DVB-t, right?

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro yes

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iamlindoro:

What frequency table did you set in mythtv-setup?

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DarK:

iamlindoro: I had the same problem for the Belgian tv stations. The scan filled my database with stations but most of them contained wrong informations. I had to add the channels using the frequencies I found online myself

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iamlindoro:

DarK: Yeah, that's what it looks like.... thanks

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opentrinity:

i import from channels.conf

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iamlindoro:

DarK: Although I don't think he's scanned yet

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DarK:

for the frequencies I suggest to look at the website of your tv cable company

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iamlindoro:

DarK: I think he's left it on some frequency table that conflists with his channels.conf

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iamlindoro:

er conflicts

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iamlindoro:

opentrinity: You still have a frequency table set in mythtv-setup... what's it set to?

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DarK:

that happened here too, I had to delete everything from 'channel' in mysql and add the channels myself manually

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro italy

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iamlindoro:

opentrinity: pastebin your channels.conf

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riddlebox:

how do you get a remote to work that acts like a keyboard?

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opentrinity:

http://pastebin.ca/853661

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riddlebox:

my remote is on /dev/input/0 ?

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: I'm at my other machine, in front of myth now. Go into mythtv-setup

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opentrinity:

ok

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code-er:

riddlebox: lirc??

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iamlindoro_:

1. General -> Page 2.... what is "channel Frequency table" set to?

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opentrinity:

italy

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iamlindoro_:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

Now 3. Video Sources and Select your DVB card (probably DVB:0)

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iamlindoro_:

Er, sorry, your listing source

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iamlindoro_:

3. Video Sources and select your listing source

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iamlindoro_:

Last option, Channel Frequency table again... set to italy?

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro_ yes

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iamlindoro_:

OK, here's what I would try... stop the backend, go to mythtv-setup and switch both sections to europe-west, then restart the backend and try tuning TV

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opentrinity:

ok

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opentrinity:

changes nothing

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iamlindoro_:

ok, then you're on your own, I don't know enough about Italian DVB-T to troubleshoot this

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opentrinity:

:-/

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iamlindoro_:

One of the developers will probably be a better help on this, but I still think it's something simple

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iamlindoro_:

*or* that there is some frequency mismatch between Italian DVB-T and what myth expects it to be

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: try one more thing for me.

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: Stop the backend, then go into mythtv-setup

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opentrinity:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

4. Input connections -> DVB:0

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iamlindoro_:

What does "Starting Channel" say?

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opentrinity:

1

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iamlindoro_:

press right until it changes to a channel you *know* works properly, something right in the middle

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iamlindoro_:

or at least something off that first multiplex

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opentrinity:

ok...but i have zapping...to verify if some channel are right

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iamlindoro_:

like one of the Servizio channels

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opentrinity:

no good...the same of starting channel 1

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iamlindoro_:

huh?

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iamlindoro_:

You are just changing to another starting channel, then you leave mythtv-setup, and restart the backend

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iamlindoro_:

It doesn't actually tune until you bring up TV

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: PM me your VNC stuff and I will take a look... I can't promise anything, though

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opentrinity:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

ok,. trying now

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iamlindoro_:

Opentrinity, It's not connecting

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opentrinity:

retry

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro now?

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iamlindoro_:

yup, good. OK, I am going to try a few things, you may need to reimport channels.conf if this doesn't work

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Mythbox:

hey guys

[20:00:47]

Mythbox:

last night my audio on my mythbox finally sounded great.. then today i try to start it up and it sounds like shit...?

[20:00:55]

iamlindoro_:

So *that's* where my mythbox went

[20:01:01]

Mythbox:

maybe try to do a full system update?

[20:01:03]

Mythbox:

lol

[20:01:16]

iamlindoro_:

Are you using a framegrabber?

[20:01:29]

iamlindoro_:

How does audio sound in other apps?

[20:01:32]

Mythbox:

what exactly is a framegrabber?

[20:01:41]

Mythbox:

fine

[20:01:43]

iamlindoro_:

What is your capture card

[20:01:52]

iamlindoro_:

is an easier way of asking I guess

[20:01:59]

Mythbox:

DVICO fusion HDTV3 gold T

[20:02:07]

iamlindoro_:

Oh, ok, so DVB-T, right?

[20:02:11]

Mythbox:

yeah

[20:02:32]

mkrufky:

ATSC/QAM

[20:02:32]

iamlindoro_:

Hmm, that *is* odd, since DVB audio should come in as part of the stream

[20:02:50]

Mythbox:

well w/ analog i dont think it streams it in

[20:02:54]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: Oh... thought the "T" signified DVB-T... my bad

[20:02:58]

Mythbox:

it is ported to my sound card

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iamlindoro_:

ok, so you *are* in framegrabber mode

[20:03:05]

mkrufky:

np

[20:03:10]

Mythbox:

via a cable then myth records that

[20:03:26]

Mythbox:

i guess .. i'm not up on the lingo lol

[20:03:32]

iamlindoro_:

yeah, that's definitely th most failure-prone way to get audio into myth

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Mythbox:

alright so what should i do exactly?

[20:03:51]

iamlindoro_:

Tried swapping out the cable yet? Those analog audio cables die at a stiff wind

[20:04:00]

Mythbox:

when i configure my tuner card set it to the DVB thing

[20:04:19]

iamlindoro_:

Hmm, well if it's in DVB mode, it doesn't *need* the audio passthrough

[20:04:25]

Mythbox:

alright

[20:04:29]

iamlindoro_:

that's only for analog mode

[20:04:29]

Mythbox:

lemme try some shit

[20:04:31]

Mythbox:

lol

[20:05:18]

Mythbox:

i'm gonna reboot the myth system too

[20:05:29]

iamlindoro_:

that may be what's up, try going without... if you are set as dvb card type, that is

[20:05:36]

Mythbox:

one of my buddies said he's had it happen, rebooted and it was fine

[20:07:32]

Mythbox:

do you know much about the Dvico cards?

[20:07:36]

Mythbox:

are they decent?

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Mythbox:

it seems to tune HD pretty well and i'm only powering it w/ a 2.2ghz p4

[20:08:07]

justinh:

can somebody please make lame hybrid cards just go away?

[20:08:37]

Mythbox:

my dvico is a "hybrid"

[20:08:41]

Mythbox:

it does well

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Mythbox:

mythtv on the other hand doesnt seem to like it ... :-\

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iamlindoro_:

Sorry, was afk... I really don't know much about them, I haven't seen them in use that much in the US, but I know lots and lots of Australians use them for some reason

[20:13:52]

Mythbox:

hmm

[20:14:02]

Mythbox:

i cant get this card config figured out man

[20:14:07]

Mythbox:

can you help me thru it..

[20:14:28]

Mythbox:

i can have a DVB card but it doesnt do SD tv right?.. only HD?

[20:14:41]

iamlindoro_:

No, it can do whatever's digital

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Mythbox:

then i have the video4linux card setup to do sd?

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Mythbox:

what tuning band should i use?

[20:15:00]

iamlindoro_:

DVB can be both HS and SD... it's just gonna be whatever's unencrypted digi

[20:15:07]

iamlindoro_:

er HD

[20:15:17]

iamlindoro_:

If you want to do analog tuning, yes, it's v4l card type

[20:15:28]

iamlindoro_:

and then you would use the audio passthrough

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Mythbox:

i'd like to do all digital

[20:15:38]

iamlindoro_:

are you getting it over the air, or cable?

[20:15:52]

Mythbox:

but what bandwidth should i use for my SD cable channels

[20:16:20]

Mythbox:

qam 64, 128, 256 or 8-vsb

[20:16:25]

iamlindoro_:

Mythbox: Your digital card will *only* get what's broadcast *unencrypted* digital... for most people that's only network TV and local access

[20:16:38]

iamlindoro_:

And if you are using cable, then it's usually QAM-256

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Mythbox:

ok

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justinh:

whee finally got my BT headset to work with Skype. Piece of crap!

[20:18:12]

justinh:

only been messing with it for 4 hours

[20:18:23]

justinh:

and people say mythtv is impossible to set up!

[20:18:32]

Mythbox:

well i'm scanning w/ qam256 and its not picking up my normal SD, only the higher HD channels and i have it set to cable, not cable high

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iamlindoro_:

Mythbox: Don't worry, let the scan finish

[20:19:06]

iamlindoro_:

your cable 2 probably lives at frequency 105 or the like

[20:19:19]

iamlindoro_:

That is almost always the case with QAM

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Mythbox:

ok

[20:19:33]

iamlindoro_:

my 2–9 live at 89–96ish

[20:19:41]

Mythbox:

it just keeps saying they've all timed out

[20:19:57]

iamlindoro_:

Just use us-cable and QAM-256 and you should get something assuming your cable system is digital

[20:20:10]

iamlindoro_:

Mythbox: Has it finished scanning, or is it going slowly through them?

[20:20:24]

Mythbox:

its still chuggin away

[20:20:30]

iamlindoro_:

yup, then let it go

[20:20:38]

Mythbox:

alright

[20:20:42]

Mythbox:

i'll trust you lol

[20:20:50]

iamlindoro_:

There's your first mistake ;)

[20:20:50]

Mythbox:

but i may cry if i cant watch tv lol jk

[20:21:17]

Mythbox:

i was using mythdora the other day and everything was fine after i got it to uncompress all my audio recording

[20:21:35]

Mythbox:

and last night on the current OS i'm running i had it working fine

[20:21:43]

Mythbox:

then this morning it all went down hill

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Mythbox:

I think in the future I'm going to use arch linux and put myth on that

[20:22:03]

justinh:

a little OT here but anybody have experience with BT audio devices in Linux? do they work well/at all?

[20:22:19]

justinh:

arch linux is mis-spelled. should be arghhhh-linux

[20:22:25]

Mythbox:

haha

[20:22:25]

fryfrog:

arch linux is a compile from scratch distro ?

[20:22:28]

Mythbox:

i have no prob w/ it

[20:22:39]

Mythbox:

yeah pretty much

[20:22:44]

Mythbox:

its build for your machine

[20:22:53]

Mythbox:

and its always up to date

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justinh:

Mythbox: it's ok I guess – apart from most of the stuff you need is hosted on sites that like to go away, or sourceforge

[20:23:04]

Mythbox:

tho its got somewhat of a high learning curve

[20:23:14]

Mythbox:

lol

[20:23:15]

fryfrog:

sounds like gentoo

[20:23:33]

justinh:

or am I getting it confuzzled with LFS?

[20:23:38]

Mythbox:

yeah i always add about 5 sources both http and ftp to my pacman

[20:23:57]

Mythbox:

do the same w/ slackware and slapt-get tho too lol

[20:25:02]

Mythbox:

anyone here using slackware w/ myth tv

[20:25:18]

Mythbox:

i'd like to use slackware myself but i dunno how hard it is to get everythign to work...

[20:25:25]

Mythbox:

myth, usb remote, etc

[20:25:52]

justinh:

mythtv – easy peasy lemon squeezy

[20:25:57]

justinh:

remotes... oof!

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Mythbox:

lol

[20:26:01]

justinh:

tv out.. oof!

[20:26:05]

justinh:

DVI.. oof!

[20:26:12]

Mythbox:

what are you talkin about

[20:26:26]

justinh:

myth in itself if a piece o pie to set up

[20:26:28]

Mythbox:

slackware atleast w/ a nvidia tv out is cake

[20:26:43]

justinh:

things which it might rely on (remote, tv out etc) might be tricky

[20:26:56]

Mythbox:

thats what i figured

[20:26:59]

justinh:

yeah nvidia makes life easier for tv out

[20:27:02]

Mythbox:

might as well just use arch lol

[20:27:13]

Mythbox:

yeah nvidia is great lol

[20:27:20]

justinh:

getting your TV to work with a nvidia card in linux over DVI though... different matter entirely

[20:27:20]

Tanthrix:

Arch linux is where it's at. It's a DIY distro that is relatively easy to use, and isn't just insane like Gentoo ;(

[20:27:36]

justinh:

so arch is the new buntu? :P

[20:27:42]

Tanthrix:

Er, happy winking face, not sad winking face!

[20:27:46]

fryfrog:

hehe

[20:27:59]

Mythbox:

i have my svid out and dvi cloned in linux no prob

[20:28:17]

justinh:

all linux sucks one way or the other. some suck less than others in different areas is all

[20:28:31]

Mythbox:

just use the nvidia settings thing and set the two for the same res. then drag one over the other and bango cloned output

[20:28:38]

justinh:

windows sucks too, as does OSX. computers suck

[20:28:51]

Tanthrix:

justinh: True enough.

[20:29:37]

justinh:

things need drivers. getting things to work when installing said drivers.. oh dear oh dear. even now if it never came with the machine, good luck!

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Tanthrix:

justinh: I just found that Arch was *easier* to use than things like ubuntu, in the sense that not a whole lot ever went wrong with anything, since there aren't mysterious wizards making unseen changes to the system.

[20:30:03]

justinh:

yeah I find their behind the scenes stuff annoying

[20:30:12]

Tanthrix:

justinh: And it's not compile from source, contrary to what was just said.

[20:30:24]

justinh:

I was confusing it with LFS

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Tanthrix:

Nice package manager which is delightfully called pacman

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justinh:

lfs is linux you download yourself from all the disparate places out there

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justinh:

literally IS from scratch

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Tanthrix:

Sounds like a big waste of time, much like Gentoo in my opinion.

[20:31:59]

Mythbox:

i have a ? tho

[20:32:15]

Mythbox:

why would my analog sound work fine in mythdora but no else where?

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justinh:

been ages since I tried gentoo. don't want to go back. not after having to wrestle with all the package config changes they made. I think apache changed config scheme about 3 times in the space of 18 months

[20:32:38]

fryfrog:

do you have the "only work in mythdora" switch on it turned on?

[20:32:40]

justinh:

Mythbox: wouldn't worry about it. mythtv doesn't really like hybrid tuners

[20:32:58]

Tanthrix:

justinh: If you're ever feeling like changing, you ought to give Arch a try. They've got a great wiki setup as well. I followed it to the letter without any problems to get everything setup and working.

[20:33:04]

Mythbox:

wish someone had told me about that sooner lol

[20:33:18]

justinh:

the very fact you can't use more than one part at the same time makes them a waste of money for a pvr setup

[20:33:20]

fryfrog:

:)

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Mythbox:

lol

[20:33:36]

Mythbox:

i only paid $40 for mine ;)

[20:33:55]

justinh:

bout the same as a digital only card then. just ignore the anal side

[20:34:02]

Mythbox:

it tunes hd great

[20:34:05]

justinh:

you lose analogue next year anyway

[20:34:12]

Mythbox:

so $40 for an hd tuner.. not too bad? ol

[20:34:18]

Mythbox:

yeah i know

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Tanthrix:

That's what I do with my A180. Never even touched its crappy framegrabber

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justinh:

I have a lamegrabber in my dev box to 'make do' til I buy another dvb-t tuner. I can vouch for the suckiness

[20:36:11]

justinh:

picture Q is _awful_ even in tvtime, and this is even when it's the only thing on the aerial which looks great on my TV

[20:36:55]

justinh:

channels are never where it says they are. some stations have great picture but sound is iffy. others, perfect audio but picture is wavy

[20:37:24]

justinh:

fine tuning seems to bring audio in better but makes the video screw up...

[20:37:35]

Tanthrix:

Blah at analog OTA,

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justinh:

bin fodder. that's your typical framegrabber card.. aka 'Acme TV Tuner, onwy ten dowwar'

[20:38:10]

Tanthrix:

I was actually extremely impressed the other day. Hooked up some old bunny ears to my Aquos and did a channel scan. All the analog channels were barely tunable, but every single digital channel came in crystal clear.

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Tanthrix:

Contrary to all my previous experience with digital being a pain in the ass to tune reliably

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Aval0n:

what do you guys think of the Entertainer

[20:43:36]

Aval0n:

are they going to try and shoot for T.V. support too?

[20:45:11]

justinh:

the who?

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iamlindoro_:

That thing from Digg the other day

[20:45:37]

iamlindoro_:

Yes, I think he intends to add TV

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justinh:

still. wth?!

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Tanthrix:

I never quite understood why people want such a fancy UI. In fact, I don't really think they do, as Google seems to prove time and time again.

[20:48:20]

Aval0n:

I think a lot of ppl like fancy uis

[20:48:25]

Aval0n:

look at apple tv

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fryfrog:

i dunno, a nice looking ui on TV is *very* nice

[20:48:32]

Aval0n:

I personally wouldn't mind a nice ui

[20:48:38]

Aval0n:

but functionality is more important to me

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justinh:

I think a lot of people end up being slowed down by a lot of stupid moving/zooming/fading crap

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Tanthrix:

Aval0n: AppleTV, you mean that thing that no one cares about or has? ;)

[20:48:58]

justinh:

AppleTV aka useless toy

[20:48:58]

Aval0n:

lol

[20:49:06]

Aval0n:

like I said

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Aval0n:

functionality #`

[20:49:13]

Aval0n:

#1

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Aval0n:

lol

[20:49:20]

Aval0n:

still

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riddlebox:

how do you get a remote to work that acts like a keyboard?

[20:49:26]

justinh:

so this 'Entertainer' thing. what hell it?

[20:49:28]

Tanthrix:

I like Myth's current default UI – it's slick and simple

[20:49:31]

Aval0n:

justins glass theme really did a lot for mythtv

[20:49:32]

Aval0n:

imo

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fryfrog:

i concur, functionality first.

[20:49:54]

Aval0n:

I'de bet money though that if you took myth, the way it is now

[20:49:55]

fryfrog:

functionality and simplicity are key, but if it can come wrapped in a slick, intuitive and beautiful UI...

[20:49:58]

fryfrog:

why not?

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Aval0n:

and added a crazy nice UI

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Aval0n:

TONS of ppl would flock to it

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justinh:

ahh entertainer-project.com or something

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fryfrog:

Aval0n: until they got to the setup screens :/

[20:50:19]

Aval0n:

hahah true

[20:50:25]

Aval0n:

and the moron lvl i n here would sky rocket

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fryfrog:

or installations

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Aval0n:

lol

[20:50:45]

Aval0n:

yeah

[20:51:00]

Aval0n:

there are some things about the way myth controls that just drives me up the wall

[20:51:11]

justinh:

thing is, rather than go off & do YET ANOTHER flipping media player, why not do their best to improve existing ones?

[20:51:14]

Aval0n:

like when you are in watch recordings.. if you hit left while you are on program side

[20:51:14]

fryfrog:

i concur :(

[20:51:18]

Aval0n:

your back to the previous menu

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fryfrog:

hehe

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justinh:

Aval0n: easy patch

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fryfrog:

i'm okay with that, but it gets me a lot

[20:51:30]

fryfrog:

due to remote lag

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Aval0n:

indeed

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Aval0n:

justin there is a patch for that?

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fryfrog:

the one thing I'd *really* like to see is the combination of "watch tv" and "watch movies" type thing

[20:52:03]

fryfrog:

so you could somehow include your external videos into the "watch recordings" menu

[20:52:08]

fryfrog:

if that makes sense

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justinh:

no but I've seen the code for it. the keypress handler in every part of code can be changed so that left arrow doesn't do the same as ESCAPE

[20:52:33]

justinh:

I was tempted

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Aval0n:

yeah..

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Aval0n:

that would rock

[20:52:52]

Aval0n:

but i'm probably not qualified to start screwing with the source.

[20:53:09]

Aval0n:

the other thing

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Aval0n:

is when you hit back on main menu

[20:53:19]

Aval0n:

it asks if you want to exit mythtv

[20:53:24]

Aval0n:

that drives me crazy too

[20:53:29]

Aval0n:

cause my wife does it all the time

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justinh:

if (action == "ESCAPE" || action == "LEFT")

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justinh:

change that to if (action == "ESCAPE")

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Aval0n:

that has to done prior to compile correct?

[20:54:16]

justinh:

one thing though, don't ask the -dev list. they'll get their knickers in a twist a la renaming video sources

[20:54:18]

Aval0n:

also DVD/CD ejecting is another frusteration point

[20:54:23]

code-er:

you could just turn of the accelloration :)

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code-er:

Aval0n: add an eject button :)

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runlevel:

is there a way to use a remote blue tooth pointing device with mythtv?

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runlevel:

i have the Logitech MX Air and it works perfect but i cant seem to use it in mythtv

[20:55:21]

Aval0n:

the eject button the drive itself doesn't do anything

[20:55:28]

Aval0n:

you have to use the menu driven

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justinh:

Aval0n: the OS won't letyou eject a mounted disc

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Aval0n:

I know

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code-er:

unless you script it...

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Aval0n:

I comprehend it

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Aval0n:

but the wife can;t

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Aval0n:

so it's rough :)

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Aval0n:

haha

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code-er:

can you just script " config = Eject"

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code-er:

wait thas only with xine..

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code-er:

well use Xine :)

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code-er:

# prog = xine

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code-er:

# repeat = 0

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code-er:

# config = Eject

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overridex:

anyone know another place to get the wii remote drivers mentioned here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Controll . . . a_Wii_remote besides forthewiin.org, it's down

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Mythbox:

i think i know why it wont work right lol

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code-er:

whats a better paint enginm QT or OpenGL

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Mythbox:

think its just a fucked up install .. :(

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Aval0n:

justinh: that code that you were showing me is that done prior to compile?

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justinh:

bit pointless changing the source after compiling it, ain't it?

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Aval0n:

indeed

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Aval0n:

what file is that in?

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justinh:

that's what grep is for

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Aval0n:

:)

[21:00:25]

Aval0n:

ok

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fryfrog:

you could just make an exec command that does "eject /dev/dvd" or what ever

[21:00:29]

fryfrog:

er, irexec

[21:00:33]

Aval0n:

yeah

[21:00:34]

Aval0n:

true

[21:00:38]

Aval0n:

I might have to.

[21:02:13]

Aval0n:

does myth internal play play x264/

[21:02:14]

Aval0n:

?

[21:02:34]

Aval0n:

or ust svn mplayer?

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Aval0n:

just* I can't type on this laptop sorry.

[21:02:46]

justinh:

ugh that entertainer thing – they went to all the effort of making ui transitions but didn't bother with smooth scrolling?!

[21:03:22]

justinh:

not very impressive at all

[21:03:45]

justinh:

once more of mythtv is ported to mythui it's gonna make that look like a toy, believe me

[21:04:50]

justinh:

but muh muh muh gstreamer muh muh gstreamer muh muh gstreamer, all on top of the video... ugh

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justinh:

nul points

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code-er:

lol i love british programming..

[21:06:50]

Aval0n:

justinh was your of supposed to be if?

[21:07:20]

justinh:

interesting comments on the youtube video though.. and all because it has that 'zoomfade' thing going on ... "very smooth UI". when infact there's little smoothness to it at all. I mean look at the way the cursor moves. the list doesn't scroll smoothly. no smoothness

[21:07:25]

justinh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh0QlWOddnQ

[21:07:42]

justinh:

Aval0n: I never typed 'of'. i typed IF

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AndyCap:

another gstreamer mediacenter?

[21:08:39]

justinh:

so when mythtv gets a zoomfade effect between every screen (or somesuch effect), it's gonna get slashdotted to within an inch of its life!

[21:08:49]

justinh:

AndyCap: yes :-\

[21:08:58]

Aval0n:

<justinh> once more of mythtv is ported

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Aval0n:

that's a paste

[21:09:22]

Aval0n:

just didn't know what you meant

[21:09:26]

Aval0n:

wasn't trying to correct you

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justinh:

Aval0n: yea that was OF

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justinh:

there are new ui libraries lying dormant just waiting for bits of code to start using them

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Aval0n:

sorry

[21:10:02]

Aval0n:

ahh ok

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justinh:

you know the menus, how they fade between one another? that's only the start of it.

[21:10:35]

Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

that will be awesome if it gets off the groud.

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justinh:

thing is, it's work to convert existing stuff which uses the old library to the new one

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Aval0n:

yeah...

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justinh:

once I convert mythappearance to mythui, I'll try to help out with other areas too

[21:11:42]

Aval0n:

are there any screens of mythui?

[21:11:49]

Aval0n:

at least that are open to the public?

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justinh:

the menus use mythui now

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justinh:

they have done since 0.20

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Aval0n:

oh ok.

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Aval0n:

is svn any where near close enough to warrant a .21 release?

[21:12:43]

Aval0n:

the svn I run seens very stable.

[21:12:54]

Mythbox:

what OS are most of you using on your myth boxes?

[21:13:00]

Aval0n:

i use ubuntu

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sn9:

Aval0n: close to what?

[21:13:14]

justinh:

some fools have said 'by March' and mythtvnews took that to mean 'by the end of Feb'

[21:13:37]

_banyan:

Hi... I had success with mytharchive in the last week, burning 4 1/2 hour shows to a DVD with the commercials cut out. However I tried to do the same last night and got one unplayable "hockey puck" DVD and several abortive attempts to start the mytharchive DVD burn process that ended with "ValueError: too many values to unpack." What's gone south on me and how do I get mytharchive working properly again?

[21:13:37]

_ben:

heh

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cafuego:

Oh wow, next week? Great!

[21:13:44]

Aval0n:

ahh ok.

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justinh:

tomorrow!

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Aval0n:

lol

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** cafuego has been running 0.21 stable for years **

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Aval0n:

years? lol

[21:14:23]

Aval0n:

so probably shortly after march justinh?

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justinh:

ahh time travel. you guys should see mythtv 0.50

[21:14:43]

Aval0n:

jeez imagine 1.0

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sn9:

justinh: when was that?

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justinh:

Aval0n: I'm not putting my name on a date

[21:14:58]

Aval0n:

I hear ya

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justinh:

sn9: Dec 12th, 2105

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AndyCap:

was too busy with the pleasurebots to take a look at myth 0.50

[21:15:18]

adante:

justinh: finally fixed that commflagging thing thanks!

[21:15:33]

justinh:

adante: glad to hear it :)

[21:15:40]

justinh:

time to go er.. watch some telly

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sn9:

justinh: 2105-12–12 was an interesting day...

[21:15:44]

Aval0n:

my mythweb shows buttons like it would be possible to stream the video

[21:15:49]

Aval0n:

but when I click play nothing happens

[21:15:51]

Aval0n:

is that just WIP

[21:15:54]

Aval0n:

or is it supposed to work

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xris:

depends on how you have auth set up,e tc.

[21:16:43]

Aval0n:

auth?

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Aval0n:

I have username/pass setup

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Aval0n:

htdigest

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Mythbox:

does dvi to hdmi look good?

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Aval0n:

yes...

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Aval0n:

it stays digital

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Aval0n:

it's the same signal

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Mythbox:

doesnt hdmi also carry audio?

[21:18:05]

Aval0n:

it can

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Aval0n:

mine does

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Aval0n:

thanks to justinh

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Mythbox:

do you have an hdmi card?

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Mythbox:

in your pc

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Aval0n:

yes

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Aval0n:

7300gs

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Mythbox:

sweet so it does your graphics and sound?

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Aval0n:

it has an input header on the card itself internally for spdif in

[21:19:03]

Aval0n:

it just passes it

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Mythbox:

hm

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Mythbox:

thats pretty sweet

[21:19:17]

Aval0n:

so jumper from spdif on motherboard to the input header on the card.

[21:19:20]

Aval0n:

yes, it works well

[21:19:32]

Aval0n:

then toslink out to my reciever

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Aval0n:

for when I want 7.1

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Aval0n:

or 5.1

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Mythbox:

so if i were to use dvi to hdmi on my tv could i use regular audio cables to run the sound?

[21:20:04]

_banyan:

What does it mean when mytharchive craps out with a "ValueError: too many values to unpack"?

[21:20:06]

Aval0n:

you could use the analog 2 channel to rca inputs yes.

[21:20:08]

Mythbox:

dang man thats awesome

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Mythbox:

alright

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Aval0n:

xris

[21:21:09]

Aval0n:

I get the little window and it shows the screen cap

[21:21:13]

Aval0n:

but click player = black screen

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Aval0n:

click play*

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Mythbox:

hmm

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xris:

Aval0n: most media players don't understand digest auth

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

what do you recommend?

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Aval0n:

this is just ie7

[21:23:17]

Aval0n:

probably trying to use windows media player web plugin

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_banyan:

Python is generating that error presumably because there aren't enough variables available to unpack the number of values that are present to unpack. Let me pastebin the log that shows the sequence of errors.

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Aval0n:

anyone know if mythtv has plans to incorperate playin blu-ray native?

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Aval0n:

now that is has won the war =(

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siXy:

Aval0n: never going to happen

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_ben:

hm, thats a pity

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Aval0n:

sixy how do you know?

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Aval0n:

has it been said

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siXy:

Aval0n: because circumventing its copy protection is very hard, and also illegal

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Aval0n:

I don't mean ripping it

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Aval0n:

just playing the disc itself via an internal blu-ray player

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Aval0n:

like how I play my dvd's in my mythtv boxen now.

[21:30:04]

Aval0n:

I know mplayer plays x264

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siXy:

Aval0n: playing & ripping are the same thing, in this context

[21:30:20]

Aval0n:

so if you wanted to rip it, you could technically do what you speak of now.

[21:30:28]

Aval0n:

oh rea;;y?

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Mythbox:

think i'd notice a difference in video quality between a 10 and a 6 foot dvi to hdmi cable?

[21:30:41]

_banyan:

http://pastebin.org/15262 <--- shows the traceback.

[21:30:41]

Aval0n:

lolno

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_ben:

Mythbox: nah

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_banyan:

It's a digital signal. Chances are if it works at all it works 100%.

[21:31:08]

Aval0n:

it's digital

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Mythbox:

alright thanks

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Mythbox:

ok another big question ... lol

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Aval0n:

monoprice.com is the best place to buy them btw

[21:31:47]

Aval0n:

cheap

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Aval0n:

and great quality

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Mythbox:

should i get a 26" 720i/720p or wait for another 27" 1020i that costs $50 more

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siXy:

Mythbox: there are good hdmi cables and bad hdmi cables. whilst the difference between them is less for digital signals than for analogue, that doesn't mean there isn't any

[21:32:34]

AndyCap:

if it's a poor cable and you are at the limits of the spec you could see weird artifacts.

[21:32:51]

_banyan:

does anyone have a wireless pointing device that doesn't drive them crazy? My logitech mx5000 bluetooth mouse is starting to make me hate the activity of pointing at things.

[21:33:03]

Tanthrix:

Mythbox: Make sure your TV actually does have RCA inputs for an HDMI source before you buy anything

[21:33:11]

siXy:

and like AndyCap says very poor cables should be avoided, and they need to be kept away from mains leads.

[21:33:13]

Tanthrix:

Mythbox: Most do, but there are some that don't.

[21:33:19]

Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

the one that will, will probably be labeled dvi/hdmi port

[21:33:31]

_banyan:

Mainly intermittent lag, or just plain loss of connection. anyway, I'm determined to return today with something I don't loathe.

[21:33:48]

Mythbox:

alright thanks man

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Mythbox:

i didnt think of that

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AndyCap:

Mythbox: and the longer the cable the greater chance of trouble.

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siXy:

Mythbox: go and have a look at both screen before you decide

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** jamesd wonders if anyone has recomendations for remote control units, i want it to work out of the box, just install a usb driver perferably automatic detection by mtyuntu... cheap is good as well... great if i can use any remote control i have around the house as well. **

[21:34:13]

Aval0n:

lol

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Tanthrix:

jamesd: MCE remote and reciever off of ebay. Great way to go.

[21:34:31]

Aval0n:

jamsed I like the rc6 with mceusb2

[21:34:31]

Mythbox:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889022053

[21:34:35]

Mythbox:

take a look at that one

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Mythbox:

think its worth the $

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_banyan:

Yeah, it's a good one! at present I don't have mine working but it works well.

[21:35:17]

Mythbox:

_banyan, you think its a good one?

[21:35:26]

Mythbox:

any probs you know of?

[21:36:15]

Tanthrix:

Mythbox: That's a 1366x768 set. Be warned!

[21:36:36]

Mythbox:

why what does that mean?

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_banyan:

The mceusb2 one — yeah. The receiver has a nice long cable, not too directionally sensitive, and it has transmitters too. Don't know if the driver supports using the transmitters tho.

[21:36:43]

Mythbox:

whats bad about it?

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_banyan:

But you have to hold your nose and buy something with Microsoft on it.

[21:37:24]

Tanthrix:

Mythbox: Basically, the EDID spec which is what conveys the working resolution of a monitor to a host does not support that res, so you often can't run those screens at their native resolution. And many have overscan issues that can't be overcome.

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Mythbox:

ohhh

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_banyan:

I was responding to Tanthrix when I said "that's a good one", about the remote.

[21:38:19]

Mythbox:

well how much would a better set cost me?

[21:38:24]

Mythbox:

one w/ a better res

[21:38:45]

Mythbox:

alot of ppl in the reviews say that thing works great as a monitor tho...

[21:39:06]

Tanthrix:

That's probably a good sign.

[21:39:59]

jamesd:

is this a good one for mythtv? http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Vista-MCE-Remot . . . cmdZViewItem

[21:40:17]

Tanthrix:

Mythbox: http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Pro . . . nav=&s=1

[21:40:54]

Tanthrix:

Mythbox: That's probably as cheap as it's going to get for a native 1080P set. And I know nothing about that one in particular, so I can't speak to its quality. Keep in mind that Costco has a wonderful return policy though.

[21:41:08]

_banyan:

has anyone used mytharchive to burn a dvd lately? is it known to work? Does myth 0.20.20070821.1 play nicely with mytharchive 0.1.20071115–1.fixes?

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Tanthrix:

Mythbox: I personally would never buy a TV from any place but there. They give you 90 days to return, and they also refund your shipping.

[21:42:10]

Mythbox:

ok

[21:42:33]

Mythbox:

from newegg or that other place?

[21:42:44]

Tanthrix:

Mythbox: I didn't mean to scare you or anything abouyt 1366x768 by the way, just a warning. I've seen a ton of people in here with sets with that resolution who were having all sorts of problems

[21:42:59]

Mythbox:

yeah i understand

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Tanthrix:

Mythbox: Costco. Newegg's return policy is worthless.

[21:43:48]

Tanthrix:

Have to me a member of Costco though, which costs a certain amount of money per year. Many people are, but since you referred to it as "that other place" I take it you're not ;)

[21:43:51]

Mythbox:

ok

[21:44:23]

opentrinity:

iamlindoro ++++++++++++++

[21:44:30]

iamlindoro_:

;)

[21:44:33]

opentrinity:

great work my friend

[21:44:40]

iamlindoro_:

whew!

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Mythbox:

maybe i'll sams club one ;) lol

[21:45:05]

iamlindoro_:

for channel reference, he was running experimental DVB drivers and needed a tuned scan of each multiplex

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Tanthrix:

I think they might be comparable

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Tanthrix:

Mythbox: Just the general rule of thumb: If you can afford 1080P, that's usually the best way to go. But nothing can beat finding a forum post or similar of someone with whatever set you're going to buy who has successfully set the thing up.

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Mythbox:

yeah i should look on forums

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Mythbox:

good idea ;)

[21:46:57]

Mythbox:

lol

[21:47:02]

Tanthrix:

I'd be weary of buying some super cheap refurb set, unless I knew in advance that it would work or knew that I could return it

[21:47:15]

Mythbox:

yeah thats true

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Tanthrix:

They take all sorts of shortcuts that can make using them as a monitor over DVI a real pain in the ass

[21:47:35]

Mythbox:

i could feed it w/ dvi or svide

[21:47:41]

Mythbox:

svid*

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Mythbox:

i'd like dvi tho lol

[21:48:17]

Mythbox:

well guys i have to head .. thanks for all the help tho

[21:48:25]

Mythbox:

think i have a much better idea of what i need now

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Tanthrix:

I want Hauppuage to post some damn pictures and specs of this new HD encoder card!

[21:50:02]

_banyan:

Hmm, I take it the use of mytharchive is a little thin?

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro a general question: when i see tv always record ?

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: Yes, all TV in mythtv is recorded, even live TV

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iamlindoro_:

You can filter it out, though

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iamlindoro_:

so that you only see what you schedule

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opentrinity:

but i finish space in hd in 1 day??

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Tanthrix:

Isn't that default behavior?

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: No, it erases old things when space runs low

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opentrinity:

...ah ok..clever

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iamlindoro_:

Tanthrix: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is... just keeping it simple

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clever:

it also gets rid of livetv things <20 seconds

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clever:

and which are over x days old

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clever:

fliping thru channels wont leave you with 500 tiny recordings

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, I think it's 24 hours

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iamlindoro_:

but I'm sure it's customizable, just defaults to 24 I think

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clever:

that can be changed with ease

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clever:

its measured in days not hours

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clever:

1day i think is the default(same thing:P)

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: Did you ever have a popping/data dropping problem with your A180?

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: I have an A180, but haven't experienced any substantial problems

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iamlindoro_:

Sory to butt in

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iamlindoro_:

er Sorry

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Anduin:

Yeah, I just know Tanthrix has one, certainly an open question.

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Anduin:

Seems to be more noticeable on NBC, but I see visible video glitches often accompanies by horrible click/pops.

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_banyan:

So, out of a few people on earth who use linux, a few of those use mythtv, and a very few of those use MythArchive.

[22:11:32]

_banyan:

And none of 'em are in here.

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blackest:

anyone secue phpmyadmin

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blackest:

secure even

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opentrinity:

brb

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_ben:

why would you use phpmyadmin? :)

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Anduin:

(all QAM of course)

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blackest:

its great ben and you know it

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_ben:

rubbish

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_ben:

:)

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blackest:

well i like it just don't like it being accessable

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blackest:

inside my lan i don't mind but i want to access mythweb from outside without leaving my ass in the wind

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_ben:

htaccess?

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_ben:

phpmyadmin has some authenication system in place too IIRC

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_ben:

apache IP restrictions, control what IPs can access phpmyadmin?

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_ben:

plenty of stuff you can do

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blackest:

the only thing does htaccess just need to be in the directory or refered to a config file somewhere

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blackest:

i've only got allow for 192.168.2. so far

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blackest:

buut thats for mythweb

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blackest:

i guess i need to do some reading

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riddlebox:

hello, how would I setup a remote control to be used with mythtv that acts like a keyboard, /dev/input/0?

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_banyan:

Would I be out of line to suggest a wireless keyboard riddlebox?

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riddlebox:

_banyan, nope it is a tuner card that the IR plugs into the back of

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sn9:

riddlebox: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Remote_controllers

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iamlindoro_:

sn9: What kind of experiences have you had with lossless commercial cut transcode on stuff out of your firewire port up there in SF?

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: haven't tried it yet

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iamlindoro_:

sn9: Ah... good luck :) All of mine fail, every last one... the stream confuzzles mythtranscode

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sn9:

i wonder why

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iamlindoro_:

It appears the PTS is considered "damaged," and when that's damaged, the corresponding GOP gets thrown out and the timecode gets reset to 00.00.00... so it throws out every GOP to the end, and ends with a timecode it considers 0, so it fails... that's my interpretation, anyway, from having tried to cut it with ProjectX and a few other things and doing some reading

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iamlindoro_:

I've worked up a temporary workaround, though

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iamlindoro_:

Commflagging works fine, so I won't run this job on anything I don't intend to archive, but...

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iamlindoro_:

I'll transcode *first* to my final x.264 format, then reimport, commflag, export the cutlist as an EDL file, and do the cuts with mencoder -ao copy -vo copy -edl cutlist.edl outfile

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iamlindoro_:

Which sounds confusing but appears to work okay, and results in the same, archivable, commercial-less x.264 file

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Aval0n:

hey iamlindoro

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iamlindoro_:

yo

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Aval0n:

were you the one telling me the other day that internal myth doesn't support x264?

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opentrinity:

http://pastebin.ca/853996 --->i can't perform channel scan :-/

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iamlindoro_:

sure it does!

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: Why are you trying to channel scan again?

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iamlindoro_:

Aval0n: It doesn't support lossless transcode of x.264, I believe, but playback is fine

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro miss some channels like mtv ...

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Aval0n:

oh really? cool

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: I had it scan the three multiplexes in your channels.conf file... pastebin your channels.conf again

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opentrinity:

http://pastebin.ca/854000

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: That's not the channels.conf you pasted before... And we definitely scanned RAI

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opentrinity:

ah...i pasted the channel.conf but miss mtv that have freq 610000000

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iamlindoro_:

ok, I will reconnect with vnc

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opentrinity:

ok i give u ip

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: Need to open the IP, let me know when you are ready

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PiranhaP:

I recently moved my MythTV backend and database from one machine to another, and I'm having a slight problem. Everything works okay except mythfilldatabase doesn't seem to be populating the guide data. It runs without error (http://pastebin.com/d17007805) albeit quite quickly. I went through every table in 'mythconverg' and changed references from the old server name/ip to the new one, but did I miss something?

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riddlebox:

_banyan, sorry my dogs unplugged my wireless

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sn9:

wireless with plugs?

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riddlebox:

wireless router

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sn9:

at least they didn't eat it

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_banyan:

perhaps wireless with pugs.

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_banyan:

All I was saying was that a wireless keyboard has the advantage of actually being a keyboard, even if you end up not having an IR remote...

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_banyan:

just a thought.

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riddlebox:

_banyan, but my wireless keyboard, only goes about 3 ft from the receiver

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sn9:

change the batteries

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riddlebox:

this remote that came with the tuner card works from anywhere in the room

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riddlebox:

sn9, I have put brand new batteries in

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sn9:

anyway:

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sn9:

riddlebox: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Remote_controllers

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_banyan:

that's why I bought the logitech bluetooth mx-5000. I have no real issues — with the keyboard. The mouse however makes me hate all mice, trackballs, pads and all other pointing devices.

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_banyan:

(Somebody have a wireless mouse with good range that they're happy with?

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_banyan:

)

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_banyan:

I kinda think bluetooth has a high latency.

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cafuego:

_banyan: I have an Mx700 that I want to marry

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_banyan:

and it's not deterministic, maybe?

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sn9:

_banyan: i once got a pointing device called the Felix

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_banyan:

Is that still a going concern, the mx700?

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** cafuego doubts it. **

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_banyan:

working on (is it bluetooth) well, has maybe a 10 meter range? (30' for the yanks :-)

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cafuego:

i only have 2 feet

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siXy:

_banyan: rf mice (although they consume more battery) are much more reliable

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_banyan:

I'm betting the mx700 isn't bluetooth either.

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cafuego:

about 3 meters from the looks of things

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cafuego:

and no, it's not bluetooth

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_banyan:

That is kinda too short for my setup.

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_banyan:

sn9: the felix? you liked?

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cafuego:

if you need distance, maybe consider a presentation remote

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_banyan:

I wonder if anyone is using one of those bluetooth tablets...

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sn9:

_banyan: you would have liked it. it was really pretty good

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cafuego:

I've never gotten 10m off any bluetooth device either

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_banyan:

was it mouselike, the felix, or more possibly catlike?

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iamlindoro_:

Does DVB-T support CAM/CI? Or is it all FTA stuff?

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sn9:

_banyan: the Felix eventually developed into the MicroPoint, which slipped into obscurity. you might still be able to dig one up new somewhere

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro_ only to complete...now i try to scan mtv and works strange things ...

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro_ u have the power to make works my pc ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: So it is working now? ??

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_banyan:

micropoint — sold by?

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sn9:

_banyan: it was not wireless, btw, but it made one not care about that

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** iamlindoro_ is really confused now **

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opentrinity:

lol

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_banyan:

Ah.

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sn9:

_banyan: google it

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_banyan:

ok...

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_banyan:

kind of a joystick thing!

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_banyan:

interesting.

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sn9:

it was more interesting to actually use

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sn9:

in the days when the alternative to a mouse was a tracball, it was a very welcome option

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sn9:

today, i might still prefer a synaptics touchpad

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opentrinity:

good night!

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opentrinity:

...for me.... iamlindoro good afternoon ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

night opentrinity

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