Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, January 8th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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Widget:

levander: in TV -> Playback, first screen in 0.20

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Widget:

levander: libmpeg, XvMC etc.

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levander:

Widget: Yeah, I've seen XvMC gets rid of it, but I want to use PiP, which XvMC prevents.

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levander:

Widget: I'm sure I've gotten rid of it before without XvMC though.

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Widget:

levander: I've never got to the bottom of it in detail, as my gf is normally watching TV on it

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Widget:

night ppl

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levander:

I just thought of something. If you're using 480i, you don't deinterlace do you?

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directhex:

why not? interlacing smells of wee

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levander:

i stands for 'interlaced'. Why would you deinterlace if you want it interlaced?

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directhex:

why would you want things interlaced?

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levander:

Because that's the resolution I'm using, 480i.

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justinh:

because there's usually no way for the video driver to tell the video playing application which field it thinks it's on

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rooaus:

iamlindoro: I attached a trivial fix for the miniplayer to #4222, you can just recompile mythmusic and install it if you want to try it. I think it will you mplayer issue as well. (Or just wait until paulh has committed it, or a better fix)

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levander:

justinh: I have no idea what you just said. I hope it wasn't for me.

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justinh:

it was indeed

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levander:

Is it supposed to help me get rid of my blurry tickers on CNBC?

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justinh:

interlaced video is based on 2 fields, each of which make up odd & even numbered lines of a full frame

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levander:

justinh: Okay, how does that get rid of blurry tickers on CNBC?

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justinh:

most video drivers, while being able to output interlaced video, can't tell the player which field they're on – the net result of that is fields being displayed in the wrong order.. which looks very bad

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justinh:

enable deinterlacing

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levander:

justinh: Okay, I think I got it. The nvidia card can't tell my TV enough info about the interlaced video I'm sending. So, just send it progressive, which the TV understands better?

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justinh:

are you using the tv output?

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levander:

Yeah.

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justinh:

i.e. svideo or composite?

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levander:

Component.

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justinh:

component or composite? important

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levander:

The highest resolution my TV supports if 480i over component.

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levander:

component, not composite.

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justinh:

ok just making sure. some people don't know

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levander:

supports is 480i***

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justinh:

enable deinterlacing then. if you were using svideo you could just crank the flicker filter up to halfway in nvidia-settings & that'd take care of it

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sn9:

480i is the lowest resolution — it's what s-video is

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levander:

justinh: This is a new computer, I really think deinterlacing got rid of it on my old machine. But, this new one, it's not taking care of it.

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levander:

justinh: It's almost like me changing the setting isn't being "taken" by MythTV.

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levander:

Even though I've restarted X a few times. Although, I've not rebooted.

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justinh:

if the highest res your TV can accept is 480i then you're not gaining much by using component

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justinh:

and if it isn't a CRT you should be using the native resolution of the set anyway

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justinh:

levander: you know you have to go all the way to 'finish' to store settings changes don't you?

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levander:

I'm on a LCD now just for testing purposes. The LCD supports much higher. But, when I'm done messing with it, it's going on a TV that only supports 480i and component.

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levander:

The TV and monitor do have S-Video.

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levander:

If S-Video gets rid of the jitters, I got no problem with it.

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levander:

justinh: Yeah, I'm going all the wya to Finish.

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sn9:

if it isn't a crt, it'll have a vga input. use it

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justinh:

try svideo & use nvidia-settings to turn the flicker filter to half way

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justinh:

if magics away all the nasty interlacing artifacts :)

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justinh:

some say it blurs the image but IMHO it looks a damn sight better than bad deinterlacing

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levander:

Yeah, okay. It does kind of irk me that my old computer that was way too slow, I was able to fix the jitters with deinterlacing. And this new, way fast computer, I can't fix it at all in component.

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levander:

But, I guess that's just the breaks sometimes...

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levander:

Enabling realtime threads wouldn't help would it?

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levander:

I think that's just to make video encoding/decoding faster, not better.

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sn9:

i find it hard to believe that a set with component in can't do better than 480i

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iamlindoro:

Lots of 480i sets had component for years before HD

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fryfrog:

sn9: prepare yourself to *believe*

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fryfrog:

sn9: damn, to slow i am :(

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iamlindoro:

I'll give you full Iamlindoro sarcasm points though

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sn9:

why did they even bother with component inputs if they couldn't even do 480p?

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justinh:

sn9: because HD hadn't yet been invented

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levander:

Damn, my new video card doesn't support S-Video, only component.

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sn9:

480p is not HD

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iamlindoro:

Component was old before there was HD, it wasn't invented to be HD, just happened to have the bandwidth to do so

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levander:

I've gotten that thing before where someone doesn't believe me. I actually called Toshiba. It only supports 480i.

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levander:

iamlindoro: Yeah, it was called progressive scan. And, I remember getting confused one time because my TV had component input, but it couldn't read the progressive output from my TV.

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levander:

It looked like the image had been shoved over to the side 50% and wrapped around back to the first side.

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iamlindoro:

Hehe, it's *still* called progressive scan ;)

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fryfrog:

you mean from... your DVD?

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sn9:

your tv couldn't read your tv?

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levander:

I just meant progressive scan was the big marketing term. Now the big marketing term is HDTV.

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iamlindoro:

levander: Just playing around

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levander:

Oh yeah, from DVD.

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fryfrog:

why not use svideo or rca instead of component, for 480i?

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fryfrog:

can you tell a diff?

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levander:

Because, as I just found out, my new video card only supports component, not S-Video.

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levander:

I guess I could return the card, but...

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fryfrog:

oic

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levander:

I'd rather play with it and try to fix it for now...

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sn9:

that's what i'm asking — what was the point of component before progressive scan?

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fryfrog:

sn9: i wouldn't be surprised if component 480i *still* looked better than svideo or rca

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directhex:

sn9, next you'll say there's no point in playing NES games over HDMI

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levander:

sn9: Probably just how it separates the colors via various cables. Or, maybe they knew HDTV was coming?

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iamlindoro:

Beter quality and color reproduction

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iamlindoro:

Wider bandwidth to each color = more faithful reproduction

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iamlindoro:

not to mention seperating them reduces interference

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sn9:

directhex: best output from the original NES was composite, anyway

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sn9:

levander: s-vid does that, too

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fryfrog:

sn9: emulator!

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog: Heheh, that's how I play *my* SNES over DVI :)

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fryfrog:

i keep meaning to get SNES/NES/etc emu working on myth or my old xbox1, but i am so lazy it hurts :(

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justinh:

ugh. making new buttons for mythmusic. I hate it

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sn9:

fryfrog: i believe knoppmyth does that for you, but i haven't tried it

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog: I curse my self each step of the way dumping ROMs and setting up mythgame, but once I had it all set (took me a few weekends) I sat back and went, "aaaaahhhhhhhhhh....."

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iamlindoro:

er cursed

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directhex:

sn9, my av receiver does upscaling...

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directhex:

sn9, also, wii virtual console!

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sn9:

there should be NES emus that run on the wii. that's what it's missing

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iamlindoro:

Erm... besides the virtual console?

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iamlindoro:

Which, admittedly, has a non-complete selection

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sn9:

exactly

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iamlindoro:

Wii isn't the best platform for emulation, anyway... a Myth box is a far better choice for that

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sn9:

yes, but depending on one's choice of myth box, of course

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iamlindoro:

Indeed. But even at, say, 720x480, emulation with software scalers and deinterlacers will look far better than anything the wii will even put out

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iamlindoro:

er wii will ever

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iamlindoro:

and I say that as a wii owner and lover :)

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fryfrog:

you make sweet love to your wii? awkward :/

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iamlindoro:

It's not that that's awkward, it's my slot-loading genitalia

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sn9:

likely more awkward for the wii

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fryfrog:

oic, nice that your genetalia is compatible with one of the many openings on the wii

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iamlindoro:

My wii loves every hour of it

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iamlindoro:

www.namwla.org

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fryfrog:

Unless your Wii is afraid of the beating it will get if it doesn't pretend very well what it likes :)

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iamlindoro:

coming soon to a browser near you

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sn9:

[insert wiimote joke here]

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iamlindoro:

The North American Man-Wii love Association

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fryfrog:

[insert laughter at wiimote joke here]

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Daviey:

[insert STFU here]

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justinh:

leave it for your blog

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Daviey:

oi sailor

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justinh:

seems like a nice boy

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justinh:

how's the 50's diner theme coming along anyway?

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Daviey:

i have no idea, hopefully dropped

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Daviey:

(been very quiet on that – will have to find out)

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justinh:

happy days :)

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justinh:

:P

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Daviey:

How's the menstrual swing on licence choice? :)

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sn9:

at least there's no 70's detective show theme

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justinh:

TJ-Hooker-wide anyone?

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Daviey:

hmm.. /me knows what TJ means :(

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sn9:

that was 80's, and tackier

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justinh:

Daviey: since tvease went down the pan I'm reconsidering

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Daviey:

justinh: wow, i didn't even know they did

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justinh:

I still don't really give a damn how many people use em though. if they find em & like em, good for them. if not, no skin off my nose

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justinh:

though from my webstats I know which ones will be given the bullet come the revolution

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levander:

Does anyone else have a hum coming out of their sound card? Even when no sound is playing?

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justinh:

levander: sure sign of a crap sound card. try muting unused lines

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sn9:

levander: that's called a "ground loop"

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justinh:

and what he said

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levander:

sn9: It's really the sign of a crap sound card??

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sn9:

no, ground loop is more likely

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Daviey:

crap / poorly conf'd settings :)

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directhex:

bedtime!

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fryfrog:

ground loop for sure, i had the same problem

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Daviey:

directhex: nn, sleep tight

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fryfrog:

well, not for sure... but most likely

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fryfrog:

my tv was ungrounded, but my pc was. the hdmi cable was doing it

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sn9:

ground loops are irrespective of hardware choices and software settings

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sn9:

hdmi? really? i thought the digital audio was immune

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fryfrog:

oh, sorry, i wasn't using digital audio

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fryfrog:

but the dvi -> hdmi was the thing making the loop

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levander:

All I know is my last sound card, on my really slow computer, was a Sound Blaster Live that I knew was crap. I got rid of the hum via messing with the mixer.

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** Daviey forgets the crazy yanks tend not to use earth **

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fryfrog:

well, i guess it could have been audio rca cables too

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sn9:

yes, dvi-to-hdmi would obviously be vulnerable to ground loops

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levander:

So, how do I get rid of my ground loop? My TV and computer are plugged in. Their plugs have the third prong on them that I've always heard is the ground.

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fryfrog:

and they are plugged into the same circuit?

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levander:

the same surge protector

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fryfrog:

humm, weird :/

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sn9:

levander: an external device called a "ground loop isolator" strangely enough

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fryfrog:

does one of those umm, magnet on th eline... things do it?

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levander:

fryfrog: You realize you were the one who got me looking into buying a new computer, saying to get stuff off Ebay.

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fryfrog:

but if they both have ground prongs, both are on the same ciruit... can it even have one?

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levander:

Now, I get one, and I can't fix tickers on CNBC or this hum.

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fryfrog:

hahahha

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sn9:

fryfrog: YES

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fryfrog:

oic

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fryfrog:

levander: are you the one that had like a p2 500 as their be/fe?

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levander:

it wasn't a p2, it was dual PIII 550 ty

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fryfrog:

oh, man, my bad :)

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sn9:

i don't think a p2 ever came in 500, anyway

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levander:

I couldn't stop tinkering with that damn thing.

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fryfrog:

what'd you get instead?

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levander:

Finally said, "I'm spending too much time with this, I'm gonna just get a better computer."

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levander:

I just got about the lowest end dual core box you could buy pieces for.

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levander:

The CPU is an AMD 64 X2 4000+.

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fryfrog:

ah, not bad

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levander:

Windsor core.

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levander:

Plenty fast enough for Myth anyway.

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sn9:

and then you'll spend too much time with the new one...

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levander:

From what I read, you don't want to run Vista on it.

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blkorpheus:

sn9, I fixed it this morning

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fryfrog:

haha

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blkorpheus:

after up all night

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levander:

sn9: That's exactly what's happening, and what I'm bitching to fryfrog about.

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fryfrog:

myth is very tweaky :(

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levander:

If this hum and jittery tickers would go away, I'd be done.

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fryfrog:

you have to find the right settings for a lot of things

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sn9:

blkorpheus: i've forgotten what you were trying to fix

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levander:

No kidding. And apparently, the right settings ofr your specific computer.

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sn9:

levander: you don't want to run vista on anything, really

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blkorpheus:

sn9, my remote was not working, lircd was bailing out, if I ran irw

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sn9:

oh, right

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levander:

sn9: Yeah, I have no plans on upgrading. But, I got a desktop box I could put it on if I wanted it.

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Daviey:

sn9: i have a PII 450Mhz (IIRC) – so i can't see why not

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sn9:

Daviey: i believe 450 is as far as p2 got

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blkorpheus:

my /dev/lirc0 ws missing

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sn9:

blkorpheus: did you get the missing file?

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sn9:

in /lib/firmware

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levander:

I am using RC audio cables right now, does the hum go away if you use digital cables?

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blkorpheus:

I installed the kernel sources for lirc modules, and the kernel sources for my kernel, and I guess that got the missing file

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blkorpheus:

even though I put the missing file there myself

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sn9:

levander: it should, but only if you have something that accepts digi audio as an input

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blkorpheus:

I'm using development version

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blkorpheus:

but it works like a charm now

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Daviey:

blkorpheus: trunk?!

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blkorpheus:

it made a /dev/lirc0

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justinh:

levander: earth/ground loops happen because there's more than one path to earth/ground. eliminate the extra paths by grounding everything to a common potential. how many places does the cable feed go to?

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sn9:

blkorpheus: the missing file should probably come from the ivtv project

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blkorpheus:

Daviey, no

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justinh:

the cable tv cable I mean

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blkorpheus:

sn9 yes

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sn9:

blkorpheus: that's probably all you needed

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blkorpheus:

but that bin is for the blaster alone

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blkorpheus:

I needed more than that because there was no dev to connect to

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Daviey:

hmm, try unplugging the tv video feed (HDMI/VGA/WHATEVER) and see if the sound alone still moans

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blkorpheus:

I had to compile my modules from source

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sn9:

ok, then yes, newer lirc modules would help

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Daviey:

blkorpheus: Did i read you are using HDMI?

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blkorpheus:

no

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Daviey:

HDMI<-->HDMI or DVI<--->HDMI ?

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Daviey:

oh, sorry

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sn9:

Daviey: that was fryfrog

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Daviey:

oh, /me tired

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levander:

justinh: How many places does which cable feed to?

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justinh:

levander: the cable tv cable

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levander:

The audio cable plugs into my subwoofer, and into the motherboard on my computer.

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sn9:

the RF cable, you

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levander:

The cable tv cable plugs into the wall and the tuner card (PVR 500) on my computer.

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justinh:

try unplugging various cables & see when the humming stops

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justinh:

my money's on the cable tv wire

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levander:

You know, this is going upstairs. It's just in a testing environment now. It's possible that it will go away when I move the computer?

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justinh:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FHb5KtVT9Fo – an example of what can happen when things aren't properly grounded

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levander:

Holy shit!

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levander:

Yeah, I got two other computers plugged into this same subwoofer via digital cables. Neither one of them hum.

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levander:

But, they're not plugged into the cable.

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cafuego:

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/foto/99e532d6_elektriek.JPG&n bsp;– an example of what can happen when things are properly grounded

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levander:

Is it just the same thing where sparks fly?

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sn9:

the digital cables can make the analog stuff hum

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justinh:

cafuego: natural selection!

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levander:

I just unplugged, the cable cable, still humming. Going for other audio cables in the subwoofer now.

[01:19:13]

sn9:

cafuego: which one in the pic are you?

[01:19:17]

levander:

sn9 called it. Unplugging the digital coaxial from my Windows box eliminates the hum. The digital optical from my Linux box has no effect.

[01:19:21]

levander:

Thanks to you to justinh.

[01:19:48]

sn9:

right — optical has no ground

[01:20:01]

levander:

That may even mean that this sound card is better, because it's picking up the hum better than my last one?

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cafuego:

sn9: I'm the left thong

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levander:

Well, at least I know that the hum will go away when I bring the PC upstairs. That's excellent news.

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** sn9 had to look at the pic again, forgetting that "thong" means "shoe" in commonwealth english **

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sn9:

it would be a completely different joke with the american meaning

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levander:

I finally pulled up the pic, it makes no sense at all.

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justinh:

levander: pay attention to the mains extension cord floating in the pool

[01:26:05]

levander:

justinh: I'm dense, still don't get it.

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sn9:

also pay attention to the number of ppl killed each year by improperly grounded underwater lights

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justinh:

levander: high voltage electrics.. in a paddling pool. hmmm

[01:27:32]

levander:

justinh: Yeah, why are those other people in the pool still alive?

[01:27:35]

levander:

Is it shopped?

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justinh:

prolly more to the pic than meets the eye

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justinh:

maybe the connections never got wet :)

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sn9:

high voltage? don't they use 100V in .nl? or maybe that was .dk...

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justinh:

220–240V in EU

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levander:

So, they're just idiots who can't go in a pool without their computer?

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sn9:

the whole EU?

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levander:

So they float their stupid surge protector in a pool?

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justinh:

sn9: as far as I know :)

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sn9:

i remember italian plugs with 127V

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levander:

European governments have technology figured out so much better than American governments.

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levander:

Big business comes in and get their way in the US.

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justinh:

believe it or not, domestic electrics are far safer in the USA

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sn9:

no, if they want their way, they pay .mx governments

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justinh:

neither conductor is ever more than 55V above ground

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levander:

justinh: So, if I can't fix my jittery tickers in component 480i with deinterlacing, the only other option is XvMC?

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sn9:

i'm in the usa, and each conductor is an average of 116V above ground, except the ground itself, of course

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levander:

justinh: Maybe safer, I don't know. But less interoperable. E.g., EU coming down harder on Microsoft than USA.

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rooaus:

levander: Are you in PAL land? Could be a 60Hz/50Hz problem.

[01:32:00]

levander:

And we have to buy cell phones from the carrier, can't just buy any phone and mix and match.

[01:32:11]

levander:

rooaus: No, NTSC. I'm in US.

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justinh:

levander: xvmc wont cure interlacing artifacts

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sn9:

60Hz/50Hz issues are irrespective of ntsc/pal/secam issues

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justinh:

eep. bedtime

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sn9:

levander: i bought my cell phone from ebay.co.uk, and it works fine on t-mobile usa

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sn9:

it was from BT-Fusion

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rooaus:

sn9: Far more prevalent with LCDs that only sync @60Hz and being fed PAL material though.

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levander:

sn9: Yeah, but you have to like unlock your phone and stuff. In Europe, it works with multiple carriers right off the shelf. Off the shelf of regular stores, not little nooks and crannies like Ebay.

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sn9:

levander: mix-and-match cell phones are protected under the dmca

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levander:

sn9: You can do it, it's just not easy in the USA.

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sn9:

mine was an off-the-shelf phone that never went through an unlocking

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levander:

Any moron does it in Europe.

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levander:

sn9: What phone was it?

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sn9:

moto a910

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sn9:

not available in the usa otherwise

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levander:

Well, there you go.

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levander:

sn9: I was sitting here trying to figure out how you got away with it...

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sn9:

well, importers charge $500 for it

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sn9:

ebay uk was much cheaper

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levander:

No doubt.

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levander:

I hate my cell phone, and AT&T won't let me return it for another one.

[01:36:55]

levander:

It has to break three times before they let me do that.

[01:37:00]

levander:

It's already broken twice.

[01:37:08]

levander:

I'm trying to figure out how to break it a third time.

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sn9:

i switched to t-mobile after 8 yrs on cingular

[01:37:48]

levander:

You getting better reception?

[01:37:49]

sn9:

they _made_ me switch phones the first time it broke

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sn9:

(cingular)

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levander:

AT&T tries to charge you $20 to mail you a new phone when it breaks. Otherwise, you wait 7 days for it to come.

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sn9:

just buy a used one

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sn9:

they won't care

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levander:

I just waited the 7 days.

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levander:

Nah, I'm gonna break this phone a third time, the get credit for the new phone from AT&T.

[01:39:26]

levander:

The other two breaks were honest.

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levander:

I'm forcing this third one. I have until April for the warranty to run out.

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sn9:

i bet neither involved water damage

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levander:

Nope, luckily.

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levander:

It's just a crappy phone, it breaks. Stops recharging, stops booting. It's really bad.

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sn9:

they told me "that's not repairable"

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levander:

sn9: They have a sticker in the battery compartment called a Liguid Damage Indicator. It turns red when it gets wet.

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sn9:

they didn't back then

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levander:

I thinking about submerging the top of the phone of the water, where the battery isn't, and just telling them the phone broke.

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sn9:

the battery survived the phone drowning, btw

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levander:

Or I'll go on those hacker sites and figure out how to flash the phone with bad software.

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levander:

brb

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sn9:

i still need to figure out how to get the BT-Fusion firmware to grok T-Mobile HotSpot@Home

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Tanthrix:

Anyone have the issue where, upon skipping, the video slows down for a second or two then recovers and plays normally?

[02:44:01]

Tanthrix:

Seems to only happen on video that's not done by my PVR-150 (ie, both SD and HD atsc sourced video it does do it on)

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sn9:

sounds like the decoder is not keeping up

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fryfrog:

They are .mpg it sounds like? not .mkv?

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sn9:

myth does not create .mkv files, afaik

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sn9:

atsc is .mpg

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Tanthrix:

fryfrog: Aye.

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Herio:

anyone know if switching to oldstyle passwords could break mythweb?

[02:57:35]

Herio:

mysql oldstyle passwords that is

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sn9:

anyone running trunk with a v4l card?

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Faithful:

Hey guys, my tv cards are stripey (an interlace problem?) ... can I fix that?

[03:18:51]

Code-er:

what are the minimun requirements to run DIVX / XVID. will a 800mhz be sufficnet

[03:19:17]

Faithful:

Code-er: depends on resolution

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sn9:

Faithful: horizontal or vertical?

[03:19:35]

Code-er:

Faithful, what about SDTV

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mzb_d800:

should be fine

[03:19:52]

mzb_d800:

(mpeg2 inc)

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Faithful:

sn9: Horizontal

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mzb_d800:

mpeg2 would do better if you have XVMC, though

[03:20:36]

Faithful:

I tried inverse interlace and maybe it helped just a little...

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sn9:

Code-er: for decoding, it's ok, but encoding xvid is not something you want to do _while_ decoding it

[03:21:11]

Faithful:

I am running nVidia video drivers

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Code-er:

sn9, basically i have a 800 mhz board, and im wondering if that will be enoug to run a decent frontend.

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mzb_d800:

SDTV = yes, HDTV = no

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Code-er:

sn9, i would have to find some kind of graphics card, would ave to be PCI but...

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sn9:

frontend-only, it's ok for SDTV, but don't try to put a backend on it

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mzb_d800:

err ... not a MASTER backend :)

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sn9:

pci gpu's have become rare. you're sure it has no agp?

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riddlebox:

iamlindoro, you know what sucks, I go through all of the trouble to upgrade .net on my phone, and now the mythcontrolserver wont compile on my mythtv server

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sn9:

mzb_d800: even a non-master backend would have trouble transcoding/encoding to xvid at that speed

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Faithful:

Almost looks to me that the pci bus does not keep up with the data or the chipset on the tv card is woeful

[03:24:23]

mzb_d800:

sn9: that wasn't the point

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Faithful:

Athlon nVidia board

[03:25:01]

Code-er:

sn9, if ANYHTING i'd throw in my pvr150 in there... for recording ONLY

[03:25:11]

pteague:

anybody know how an intel corp 440bx/zx/dx – 82443bx/zx/dx agp bridge might work as a frontend graphics card? wondering if it's even worth attempting to make an old laptop into a frontend ;)

[03:25:24]

Code-er:

sn9, from what i understand it doenst tax the processor when recording

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cafuego:

Code-er: I used a 900MHz Eeepc to run as frontend, and that was fine.

[03:25:44]

sn9:

Code-er: no, but transcoding does

[03:26:00]

Code-er:

sn9, Cant you tell that backend its not allowed to transcode :)

[03:26:05]

sn9:

yes

[03:26:08]

sn9:

do that

[03:26:09]

Code-er:

at least not that slave..

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mzb_d800:

cafuego: even more impressive is that they are underclocked iirc

[03:26:27]

Code-er:

and tell my duo quad 4 slave to do the work ;)

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Code-er:

uhh tats dou 2 quad and its a master not a slave..

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sn9:

Faithful: or just bad deinterlacer settings

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cafuego:

mzb_d800: They'd want to be, get damn hot as-is.

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Faithful:

sn9: Ok... will look into it. So ALL tv is broadcast interlaced?

[03:28:00]

Code-er:

unless its digital.. then it miht not be :)

[03:28:01]

sn9:

no, digital can be either

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mzb_d800:

cafuego: yep ... just given Dad his back ... does get a bit warm ;) ... I seem to remember that they clocked ~620(?) or so, but still reported at 900

[03:28:36]

Code-er:

how well does lcd4linux work with myth?

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sn9:

pteague: you haven't said what gpu the laptop has

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Faithful:

I am running AV7110 DVB-T and Twinhan VP-1034 DVB-S and both card do it.

[03:29:28]

Faithful:

Oh and SB Audigy for sound ;-)

[03:29:51]

pteague:

it's a compaq presario p3 500mhz with 128mg ram i think

[03:30:10]

Faithful:

Getting the VP-1034 working was a real saga

[03:30:18]

Faithful:

but glad I did.

[03:30:18]

mzb_d800:

pteague: mpeg2=no

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sn9:

pteague: yes, but what video processor? anyway, 128 is not enough, and ram upgrades are a pain on the 440bx

[03:30:42]

pteague:

can the server convert before it sends it?

[03:31:29]

pteague:

ah, found it – VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64)

[03:31:47]

sn9:

ugh, mach64

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Philyboy_:

Hello all, I have benn a mythtv user for over a yeat using dvb and have a question regariding deinterlacing

[03:32:15]

ferrari:

does anybody know if mythtv support P2PTV like PPLive, TUVPlay, etc.?

[03:32:18]

Code-er:

i dont need ram for a frontend on a video card right?

[03:32:19]

pteague:

hehe... told you it was an old laptop =)

[03:32:47]

pteague:

i got it about 7 years ago

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sn9:

pteague: you can use the laptop as a laptop if it still has any battery life (using puppy linux or the like) but myth is too much to hope for for it

[03:33:16]

Philyboy_:

What are people using for setup for deinterlacing

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Code-er:

" EVGA GeForce 6200 Video Card – 256MB DDR2, PCI, DVI, VGA, TV Out, Low Profile, Video Card" would that be good for a frontend ?

[03:33:53]

pteague:

sn9> not going to work as just a front end?

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** cafuego uses the first item in the deinterlace list, which is "linear" i think? **

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cafuego:

Code-er: anything with decent tvout

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Philyboy_:

Geforce 6200 = xvmc which offloads the cpu considerably

[03:34:28]

pteague:

wish my sony vaio was still in 1 piece... that might have worked a bit better :(

[03:34:42]

cafuego:

Mine appears to be a 6200

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sn9:

Code-er: that card sounds like it was made for myth

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Code-er:

and i heard the geforces are pritty good with tvout sport

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cafuego:

But the laptop with a radeom mobility U9 was fine as well.

[03:35:05]

Code-er:

sn9, : just hope it will work in my 800mhz... i know some newer PCI cards dont like older pci slots :(

[03:35:14]

cafuego:

Code-er: Yeah, just plug in svideo and it "just works"

[03:35:32]

Code-er:

cafuego, good . i got stacks of ATI card with vidoe out...

[03:35:44]

Code-er:

i actualy have to use GATOS to TRY to make them work :(

[03:35:51]

sn9:

Code-er: if it's not gonna work, it won't physically fit, either, at least in this case

[03:36:25]

sn9:

gatos tv-out is now in mainline xorg

[03:36:29]

Code-er:

sn9: no.. ive seen old bords with pci not work with some new pci careds. they just ignore it.. lol

[03:36:37]

cafuego:

Code-er: Actually, the U9 did crap out with later kernels, they broke atitvout it seems.

[03:36:37]

Code-er:

sn9: reallyu.. i though gatos was abbandoned!

[03:36:59]

Code-er:

last revs of it where like 0r.. i think

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Code-er:

thas 04

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sn9:

pteague: you won't even be able to start the frontend with 128

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iamlindoro_:

Well that's not true

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Philyboy_:

sn9: I run a front end with 256 using minimal windows manager ratpoison

[03:38:43]

iamlindoro_:

It'll be slow and swap a lot, but you certainly can use it

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sn9:

Philyboy_: 256 is twice as much as 128

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mzb:

Code-er: probably pci 2.3 card on old boards won't work ... but my 2.3 works on a BX

[03:39:39]

Code-er:

might of been

[03:39:52]

Code-er:

how is the canadian dollar doing? any one know lolo

[03:40:05]

Philyboy_:

sn9: I am pretty sure running a front end at 640x480 with some tweaking of /etc/init.d can be done would be an interesting challenge

[03:40:07]

sn9:

it's higher than the US$

[03:40:24]

Code-er:

maybe ill buy from new egg then lol

[03:40:29]

Philyboy_:

Code-er: CDN dollar is better than us , actually thaht ios not good for us kanucks

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sn9:

Philyboy_: not for 128 — that's just way too little for the frontend

[03:41:15]

sn9:

i had oomkiller ax the frontend with 512

[03:41:38]

Philyboy_:

sn9: oomkiller? sorry im french

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iamlindoro_:

No, that is completely wrong, nothing prevents a 128 Mbyte system from starting and using the frontend with adequate swap and lightweight WM. It'll be slow and painful, but it will certainly start

[03:42:49]

Philyboy_:

iamlindoro_: I am certain with some smart tweaking it can be done, can we use framebuffer and part X to run a frontend

[03:43:11]

mzb:

in theory you could use directFB

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GreyFoxx:

My Frontends are all 128 meg, no swap

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Philyboy_:

mzh, sn9: Than it should be dooable

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Philyboy_:

GreyFoxx: TEll us more on your setup

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iamlindoro_:

Philyboy_: As you say, it will require some tweaking but it's certainly doable

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ferrari:

has anybody tried P2PTV in mythtv?

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Philyboy_:

iamlindoro_: I run a 256 celery with ratposion witouth swapping

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GreyFoxx:

Philyboy_: NFSrooted celeron 733's with 128meg of ram. Slackware for the distro, run IceWM for the WM, and of course mythfrontend

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GreyFoxx:

no swap on any of them

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GreyFoxx:

well not true, the "big" frontend has some swap, but the other 4 don't

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, Philyboy_: Wasn't guaranteeing the need for swap, was just covering my bases as I knew it was technically possible

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Philyboy_:

GreyFoxx: YOu should use ratpoison 300k overhead

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GreyFoxx:

Philyboy_: I have no problem with what I'm using so no changes are needed, but I'll keep that in mind :)

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iamlindoro_:

ferrari: There is no P2PTV application/plugin/functionality that I am aware of for Myth

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mzb:

and if you only use the internal player you won't need a WM anyway ;)

[03:46:20]

sn9:

true

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ferrari:

iamlindoro_: OK. Thanks.

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mzb:

(and if you only use IR for control then no WM either way)

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Philyboy_:

mzb: CAn you explain, I thought mythforntend needed a WM to get window focus

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GreyFoxx:

Philyboy_: Only if you are spawning external apps

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GreyFoxx:

otherwise it never looses ficus

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sn9:

mythfrontend can be its own WM

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mzb:

if you use the internal player mythfrontend always has the focus!

[03:47:03]

GreyFoxx:

though personally I recommend everyone use a WM :)

[03:47:20]

GreyFoxx:

but if you spawn an extenral video play, or using mythgame you want a WM

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Code-er:

mzb: but then it wont use mplayer and such...

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sn9:

mzb: even with mythbrowser?

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GreyFoxx:

mythbrowser isnt an external app

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Code-er:

wm managers are slall ...

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Philyboy_:

Code-er:HOw can I confirm deinterlacing is working I cant see a difference between bob and nerlneld

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GreyFoxx:

Personally I think anyone NOT using aWM is jus asking for problems at some point

[03:48:20]

sn9:

slall?

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Philyboy_:

Code-er: They both do not look good during scene transition and some tearing on moving objects

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** jams agrees with greyfoxx **

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sn9:

twm should be good enough, right?

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Code-er:

any one know other good online stores other then new egg

[03:49:15]

mzb:

GreyFoxx: I only use IR ... so it doesn't seem a big deal ... I do have fvwm ready and waiting if I need it (jic)

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Philyboy_:

Code-er: in cananda

[03:49:29]

Code-er:

Philyboy_, : preferably us that ship to canada

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mzb:

and I've been running the FE without fvwm for a few months without focus issues

[03:49:57]

Code-er:

sn9: any wm will work, icewm, blackbox, ratpoison

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Philyboy_:

Code-er: Code-er : http://www.canadacomputers.com cheapest place I found good service

[03:50:19]

Code-er:

Philyboy_, : i want us prices :-P

[03:50:40]

Code-er:

Philyboy_, : pluse strong canadian dollar :-P

[03:51:01]

Philyboy_:

Code-er: 1 us dollard = 1.01 CDN. They are at par with newegg on most of the stuff

[03:51:25]

Code-er:

hmmm

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sn9:

i thought CDN$ was higher

[03:51:25]

Code-er:

EVGA e-GeForce FX 5200 128MB (128-P1-N309-LX) nVidia GeForce FX 5200 Chipset 28MB DDR2 PCI Graphics Card

[03:51:32]

Code-er:

is that just as goof for a frontend?

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Philyboy_:

Code-er: NCIX.com they have good deals on some speacial

[03:52:12]

jams:

well i wouldn't use twm, unless you can turn off the click to place windows

[03:52:29]

Philyboy_:

Code-er: I have this card (which is fanless nice feature ) running HD 720p with no problem at all

[03:52:44]

sn9:

Code-er: it's not goof at all, but it is good, if it has the outputs you want

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Philyboy_:

Code-er: But now the 6200 iin pci-e can be bought for 25$ wich does the same job

[03:53:01]

Code-er:

Philyboy_, its a few bucks cheaper then then 6200 ...

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Code-er:

ooo and theres one at pacific mall!!

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Philyboy_:

pacidic mall?

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Code-er:

pacific

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Code-er:

sorry

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Philyboy_:

no me sorry where is pacific mall?

[03:54:14]

Code-er:

do i feel like getting caught in a raid :)

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Code-er:

its a mall in markham ontario, great place for pirates and other shady dealings1

[03:54:35]

Code-er:

never been tehre..

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Philyboy_:

nope I'm from Montreal now living in Saint-John NB!

[03:55:10]

Code-er:

every few months there is a raid on that place..

[03:55:18]

Code-er:

and few days after that everythign is back to normal..

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clever:

Philyboy_: im up in dalhousie nb!

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Code-er:

http://www.pacificmalltoronto.com/

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Philyboy_:

clever: Hello clever

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clever:

hi:)

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sn9:

they have ship hijackings on the high seas in ontario?

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GreyFoxx:

hehe Lots of Canucks here tonight :)

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Code-er:

sn9: ARRRRrrr.. us pirates

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Philyboy_:

GreyFoxx: Canucks = tech savy

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GreyFoxx:

Philyboy_: HEhe some of us are anyway :)

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Philyboy_:

GreyFoxx: an hockey players

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Code-er:

best sea storys....guy had to maroon his tanker in vancoover because of a stomr at see.

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Vaelys:

I live 10 minuts from Pacificmall :|

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Code-er:

he was traveling to alska from an unknown destination...

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Vaelys:

minutes too

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Code-er:

... maroons his ship.. guess what customs finds!!!

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GreyFoxx:

Philyboy_: I'm the odd one. I am not interested in Hockey at all, but my wife loves it :)

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Philyboy_:

Vaelys: I live aboyt 1700 km from Pacific mall!

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Vaelys:

Well done

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Code-er:

they found 42 TONES of WEED!

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clever:

lol

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Code-er:

i can just see customes

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Philyboy_:

Code-er: 42 Tons of weed ship must be from Quebec

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Code-er:

**sniff sniff**whats that smell *sniff sniff*

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Code-er:

lol to bad the ship didnt catch fire

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clever:

lol

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Code-er:

anway, lawyers tried using nesesity as a defence

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clever:

lol

[03:58:52]

clever:

who needed it!

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sn9:

the lawyers did

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mzb:

heh: I'm sure I could find a reason to find that amount necessary ;)

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Code-er:

necesity meaning "my ship was gonna sink cause of the stomr i didnt WANT to maroon in canada but i did"

[03:59:28]

Code-er:

they charged fim with imorting

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Philyboy_:

Code-er: for 42 Tons bad case of authrotise

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Code-er:

Philyboy_, : in the end the guy got jail time

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clever:

he could have been planing on just going thru canadian waters

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clever:

and the storm forced him to leave it in canada

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Code-er:

clever, : on his way to alaska..

[04:00:27]

Code-er:

clever, : he was on international waters.. but then a bad storm came

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Code-er:

but.. 42 TONES OF WEED.. man...

[04:00:39]

clever:

lol

[04:01:04]

clever:

id think that would be a lifetime suply of ever person in alaska!

[04:01:13]

Philyboy_:

Code-er: That might explain the local price here going up

[04:01:15]

mzb:

unlucky ... perhaps you can send him a message to beach himself in front of my house for a while ;)

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Code-er:

:--D

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Philyboy_:

Need help on deinterlacing

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clever:

i just dont deinterlace at all

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clever:

dont notice it very often

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sn9:

have 42 tons of weed deinterlace it for you

[04:02:20]

clever:

lol

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Philyboy_:

clever: my stream comes forom dvb and is interlaced it looks like shit if its not HD

[04:02:28]

clever:

lol

[04:02:37]

clever:

my stuff is from a pvr150

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clever:

2200kbit/sec

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clever:

1.3gig/hour(aud+vid)

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clever:

i was doing 500kbit/sec from my frame grabber

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clever:

and it looks fine on the tv out

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Philyboy_:

sn9: Are you going to use PAINT to deinterlace my streams<

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clever:

but looked like youtube on the pc!

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Code-er:

Philyboy_, wat kind of dVb u got :-P

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Philyboy_:

clever: I am not using tv out I am using dvi to hdmi to tv

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clever:

ah

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clever:

so its purely digital!

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clever:

until it hits the screen

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riddlebox:

can anyone help me to get this mythcontrol to compile, here is my error, http://pastebin.ca/846226

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Code-er:

clever, : i saw that comming :-P

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Philyboy_:

clever: yep and the SD tv looks like crap due to interlaacing

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clever:

lol

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Code-er:

anywan nite ppl

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sn9:

clever: dvi will use analog audio

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

but the video is purely digital

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clever:

from the camera to the screen probly

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Philyboy_:

clever: actually the photons are emited by lcd tv in digital form

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clever:

lol

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clever:

but any dirt in the air between you and the screen can mess up the analog levels:P

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sn9:

so much for "the analog hole"

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Philyboy_:

sn9: Do u think one the th RIAA will control the air wich contains that analog hole

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Herio:

anyone know if switching to oldstyle mysql passwords could break mythweb?

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GreyFoxx:

mythweb wouldn't care

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sn9:

ppl still sneak camcorders into movie theaters, so putting a mic to a digital speaker isn't too yesteryear

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clever:

Herio: the mysql interface i beleive should support both the new and old password forms

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clever:

and you can allways turn the passwords back to the new version

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Philyboy_:

see u all

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sn9:

next thing you know, dvb-s will have a 24/7 "42 tons of weed" channel

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Sedorox:

anyone have issues with NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers? the fixes on the wiki aren't helping me

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sn9:

Sedorox: i have that issue

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Sedorox:

I get it on live and recorded playback

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sn9:

i get it on recorded, and live just plain doesn't work

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Hoxzer:

is it possible to update mythtv-database without losing any settings ?

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sn9:

most of the fixes i see in my searches are specific to hardware encoder cards, which i'm not using atm

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sn9:

Hoxzer: mythtv-setup should ask you whether you want to do that

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Hoxzer:

It did once but it was inside mythfrontend...

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sn9:

mythtv-setup looks a lot like mythfrontend

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Hoxzer:

Well, I do know when I start mythfrontend and when I start mythtv-setup

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sn9:

Sedorox: what card?

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Sedorox:

FX5200

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sn9:

i mean for input

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Sedorox:

PVR150

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Sedorox:

works fine... just trying to setup a new frontend

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sn9:

and you're sure you didn't set it to "v4l" by mistake?

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Sedorox:

backend and the one frontend work prefectly

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Sedorox:

I only get this error on a second frontend

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sn9:

ok, then it's a frontend issue

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jams:

Hoxzer- assuming your talking about the prompt when you start mythfrontend or mythbackend yes it's safe. Just make sure you run the same version of mythtv on all your frontends/backends.

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sn9:

Sedorox: very likely something off-kilter in xorg.conf

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jams:

Hoxzer- also once you update you can't go back without a database backup

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sn9:

Sedorox: /var/log/Xorg.0.log should yield some clues

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Sedorox:

not getting really any errors there

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Sedorox:

just in the mythtv log

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sn9:

it might not be obvious

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sn9:

or some playback setting

[04:37:58]

sn9:

or both

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Sedorox:

don't see anything besides the extra TV stuff (which is commented out atm) that shouldn't be there (or would work if I removed it)

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sn9:

things like textures affect buffers

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sn9:

and it could be the player's own buffers

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sn9:

which would be a playback setting

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Hoxzer:

jams: I saw it once and I didn't answer yes. No I don't see it at all. What do I do ?

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jams:

Hoxzer- it would keep asking each time you restarted, so i would guess that it went ahead and did the update. possibly via mythbackend

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Hoxzer:

umm..

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Hoxzer:

strange.

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Hoxzer:

does mythbackend need to be down in order to receive that propt

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jams:

Hoxzer- are you running svn truck from at least a month ago?

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Hoxzer:

I have latest mythtv-multirec branch

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jams:

Hoxzer- no mythbackend doesn't need to be running for that prompt. When either mythfrontend or mythbackend starts it checks to make sure the db at the most current revision.

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Sedorox:

sn9: would a bad videocard cause this?

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Hoxzer:

jams: does it need to be DOWN ?

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jams:

both mythfrontend and mythbackend are able to update the database.

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sn9:

Sedorox: no

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Hoxzer:

:\ ok... damn

[04:46:44]

Sedorox:

hmm

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Sedorox:

gotta be an X thing...

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Sedorox:

when it happens.. X goes almost 100% cpu

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jhulst:

hmm, I have a new backend running a new mysql server, but after running the mc.sql script, I can't log into mysql as mythtv only as root, I must be forgetting something...

[04:51:46]

jams:

Sedorox- assuming your using a nvidia card you could try a different/older driver

[04:53:06]

Sedorox:

I Think the problem is related to...

[04:53:19]

Sedorox:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 6, <sip>

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Sedorox:

snip*

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tjcarter:

so is any of this tru2way stuff (or whatever they call it this week) even remotely good news for us potentially in the future?

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GreyFoxx:

Likely not

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GreyFoxx:

Likely just another "way to get you to use our DRM filled stuff"

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GreyFoxx:

basically it's cablecard renamed :)

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iamlindoro:

only mandatory

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iamlindoro:

or, at least, gives them an excuse to eventually go, "TV must be tru2way compatible"

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tjcarter:

cablecard was a good thing, but not supported for PCs afaik?

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iamlindoro:

no, cablecard is a baaaaad thing

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tjcarter:

I mean, I don't care if I can only watch the channels they permit

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GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: Cablecard was not a good thing

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tjcarter:

I just want to be able to watch those channels =p

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iamlindoro:

mandatory cablecard = no cable TV in mythtv ever again

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iamlindoro:

in the US, that is

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sn9:

why is that?

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iamlindoro:

because there will never be a legal implementation of cablecard for use in homebuilt PVRs

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tjcarter:

sn9: because they won't let us have drivers

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sn9:

so?

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iamlindoro:

And reverse engineering it is illegal

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sn9:

that leaves things just the same as they were before cablecard

[05:14:35]

sn9:

not worse

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GreyFoxx:

sn9: They are already bad with cablecard

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iamlindoro:

Nope, it's legal to write your own drivers so long as they don't circumvent DRM... writing them for cablecard is a whole different ballgame

[05:15:28]

iamlindoro:

As it would *require* circumventing their DRM, and since MythTV is totally by-the-book aboveboard, that'll never happen within the project

[05:15:50]

iamlindoro:

At *very* best, it would be analogous to softCAMS

[05:16:04]

sn9:

ergo, things are no different from before cablecard

[05:16:12]

iamlindoro:

again, no

[05:16:21]

sn9:

how is it not?

[05:16:31]

iamlindoro:

writing a driver for a Hauppauge card is not illegal. Writing one for cable card is.

[05:16:31]

tjcarter:

so I'm still looking at a setup commonly used to steal Dish network as the only thing available to me.

[05:16:54]

sn9:

how is myth supporting the dch-3200 different from myth supporting the dct-6200?

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tjcarter:

which would still be technically illegal, even if I were paying for Dish channels I set it up for..

[05:17:23]

sn9:

myth supports the dch-3200, so myth supports cablecard

[05:17:28]

GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: Crazy huh ?

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iamlindoro:

getting firewire out from the STB is completely different from Tru2Way, which *eliminates* the STB

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tjcarter:

sn9: ?

[05:18:04]

iamlindoro:

and requires that the *television* or PVR have a licensed cable card implementation

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iamlindoro:

which myth will never have

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sn9:

oh, you mean the cablecard replacement software-only scheme. i was referring to cablecard itself

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GreyFoxx:

http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2593777857.html I want one!

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iamlindoro:

And we were referring to Tru2Way, which is mandatory device-required cablecard

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iamlindoro:

Which, again, myth cannot and will not legally have

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tjcarter:

wait wait wait

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iamlindoro:

so if Tru2Way becomes the standard and there are no more STBs... we're all SOL on cable

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tjcarter:

that box (DCH-3200) will take a cablecard and give me firewire for all channels?

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tjcarter:

or like two?

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iamlindoro:

tjcarter: Nope, even with cablecard, they are still only required to give you locals

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tjcarter:

Presently my cable box gives me two.

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