Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, December 29th, 2007, 00:02 UTC

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hashbang:

good evening

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** hashbang has been hacking on mythburn.py to make it use Project-X instead of mythtranscode **

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hashbang:

anyone got any ideas on how to preserve the PID and language attributes across a Project-X run?

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hashbang:

at the moment my changes have the side-effect of brain-damaging selectStreams so it just goes on lowest-numbered PIDs to select the audio stream, and I'd like to try and fix that

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toad_:

does myth wait until a programme has finished recording before running jobs on it? recordings are added to the recorded table when they start afaics, and since transcoding doesn't work automatically for me i run a script to add transcoding jobs – will running this while recordings are going on result in truncated recordings?

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** toad_ adds "and progend < now()" to prevent this from being a problem... **

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clever[rev]:

ive got irw showing events from my remote!

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clever[rev]:

what next...

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MrGandalf:

have a beer

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jimbalaya:

I'm having a tough time with lirc in debian etch – testing works (with 'mode2 --device /dev/lirc0'), but MythTV won't respond to the remote .... it must be a config file, but I can't figure this out

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clever[rev]:

how do i control what lirc socket mythfrontend uses?

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clever[rev]:

ive got 2 lircd's

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clever[rev]:

i can get the keys from irw

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clever[rev]:

irw /dev/lircd2

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clever[rev]:

lircd: accepted new client on /dev/lircd2

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clever[rev]:

00000000000017a5 00 OK hauppauge_pvr150

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clever[rev]:

00000000000017a5 01 OK hauppauge_pvr150

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CCFL_Man:

anyone know a thing about dvb-asi?

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jimbalaya:

clever[rev]: there's a section 'lirc with multipe external tuners' at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC

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jimbalaya:

clever[rev]: i'm not sure if that will help or not...

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clever[rev]:

i havent patched my lirc to handle the pvr150 blaster

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clever[rev]:

so im just using the serial plaster

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clever[rev]:

which means having 2 lircd's for the i2c and serial driver

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clever[rev]:

i have both lircd's working on seperate sockets

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clever[rev]:

but i may be able to have them share the socket with some other work

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jimbalaya:

this is doing my head in – now the mode2 testing doesn't work

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inst1:

my tv has some artifacting in the lower right, and is overscanning (i think?) a bit ... any advice how to fix it?

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xand:

;.;

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** xand plays a video from media library, screen goes black and my ssh to it session dies :S **

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o_cee:

wooo.. how much cpu is needed for ffmpeg x264 1080p playback? c2d E6750?

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inst1:

that should do it

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inst1:

a 6600 should be able to

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o_cee:

Q6600?

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inst1:

e6600

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inst1:

my bad

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o_cee:

ah okay, not listed here

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o_cee:

E6550

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o_cee:

but not that much cheaper, so

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inst1:

you on newegg?

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o_cee:

nope, in sweden

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inst1:

oh, heh

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o_cee:

:)

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o_cee:

and then some ddr2 memory 1066mhz

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o_cee:

my 2ghz celeron just doesn't cut it anymore hehe

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o_cee:

and something like an nvidia 7200 to go with that..

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o_cee:

my old 5200 burned up :/

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inst1:

whoops, heh

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o_cee:

yeah dunno what happened, got home after christmas, tv had no signal, lspci doesn't show any connected vga..

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o_cee:

heh

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xand:

hmm

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xand:

hmm, OK I have mythtv hooked up to my TV... but when I use Watch TV or watch a recording, it's all squashed to the top half of the screen; the GUI is otherwise displayed correctly... how do I fix that?

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o_cee:

yeah uhm, is anyone good at all these intel chipsets? the p35 is okay? don't want built in gfx.. inst1? :)

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o_cee:

xand: start by looking at the log file.. but it's probably a setting under TV

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o_cee:

xand: or appearance..

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clever[rev]:

made a hacked up way to get 2 lircd's working

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clever[rev]:

cant see a way to make mythfrontend use the 2nd daemon

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clever[rev]:

so i switched the 1st and 2nd

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clever[rev]:

so now the 1st that the fe allways uses is receiver

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clever[rev]:

and a simple -d on irsend makes it use the 2nd

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xand:

hmm. how can I find out what resolution X is running at?

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bsdfox_:

xrandr

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xand:

but... how do I run that

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xand:

DISPLAY=:0 xrandr doesn't work (from ssh session)

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bsdfox_:

what's it say

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xand:

Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server

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xand:

Xlib: No protocol specified

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xand:

Can't open display :0

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xand:

hmm

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bsdfox_:

Screen 0: minimum 2720 x 1024, current 2720 x 1024, maximum 2720 x 1024

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xand:

maybe because it's running as a different user

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bsdfox_:

X isn't running on :0

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bsdfox_:

yes

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bsdfox_:

that is the problem

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xand:

ah

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bsdfox_:

Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 800 x 600, maximum 800 x 600

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bsdfox_:

works for me over ssh

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xand:

yeah, su-ed to mythtv and works now

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xand:

640x400... great

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clever[rev]:

xand: 'No protocol specified' often means the XAUTHORITY variable isnt set right

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clever[rev]:

XAUTHORITY defaults to $HOME/.Xauthority

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xand:

o.O

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clever[rev]:

and xauth refuses to touch that enless only $USER can read it

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xand:

grrr, still the video is displaying wrong

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xand:

in fact, it's even worse

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clever[rev]:

ive played with passing xauth cookies from 1 username to another

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clever[rev]:

so i can login to X as clever and run mth as mythtv

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bsdfox_:

xand: how is the video displaying

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bsdfox_:

it should scale to the X res.. so res shouldn't matter too much

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clever[rev]:

bsdfox_: a bug in one of my ati drivers causes the scalled Xvideo to be half as high as it should

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xand:

um

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xand:

it's squashed into the top half of the screen

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clever[rev]:

sounds like my bug

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clever[rev]:

ati video card?

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xand:

yes

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bsdfox_:

yeah I'd check video drivers

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xand:

check what about it?

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clever[rev]:

i forget how i fixed it

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clever[rev]:

lspci|grep -i vga

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clever[rev]:

which card?

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xand:

radeon 9800

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xand:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R350 [Radeon 9800 Pro]

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clever[rev]:

ive only noticed the problem on my rage 128

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xand:

yeah mplayer does the same in fullscreen mode :|

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clever[rev]:

mplayer even does it in a window

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xand:

indeed

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clever[rev]:

anything using xvideo will do it

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bsdfox_:

change your video drivers :)

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clever[rev]:

and non xvidoe is damn slow:P

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bsdfox_:

try running the open source radeon driver

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xand:

the open source one doesn't seem to do tv out :(

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clever[rev]:

tvout on ati was a pita

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xand:

or at least I couldn't work out how to make it work

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clever[rev]:

but i managed to find the atitvout tool

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clever[rev]:

atitvout seems to poke the registers in the card directly to change output mode

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xand:

hm

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clever[rev]:

even works in CONSOLE mode!

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xand:

I wonder if it'll turn PAL on for non-X stuff

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clever[rev]:

the bigest pain is the freq stuff gets horidly messed up when i switch to tv out

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clever[rev]:

causing the signal to be useless

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clever[rev]:

so i have to change the res twice to cycle it

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xand:

stuff Just Worked with the geforce card, except that card has a fault and loses signal every minute or so

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clever[rev]:

xand: http://pastebin.ca/621033

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clever[rev]:

thats roughtly what i used to get it working

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xand:

o.O

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clever[rev]:

that works ok 80% of the time with my laptop

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xand:

my TV is connected to the PC using the cable from an old Sun keyboard :D

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clever[rev]:

lol

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clever[rev]:

the laptop needs a special cord that looks somewhat like svidoe

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xand:

as it has the same plug as the ati composite video adaptor

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clever[rev]:

which converts the plug to composite video

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xand:

so does this

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xand:

but the Sun keyboard plug is the same so I used that cable with an RCA plug soldered on the other end

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clever[rev]:

lol:)

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clever[rev]:

seems xvmc is only saving me 10–20% cpu usage

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EnderTheThird:

You guys think it would be unethical to cancel analog cable at home and set up a box at work so I could watch it here instead? Heh.

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xand:

alex@flux:/etc/X11$ sudo atitvout -r pal auto

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xand:

Forcing Radeon/Rage 128 mode

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xand:

VBE call failed.

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xand:

grrrr

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clever[rev]:

with a decent web connection between them you could just stream between buildings

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clever[rev]:

xand: yeah you need to play with 200 different combinations before it does anything usefull

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clever[rev]:

xand: and i beleive auto is nearly useless

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clever[rev]:

xand: sudo -i then atitvout -r t

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clever[rev]:

sudo -i lets you get a root shell so you dont need to sudo everything

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xand:

I prefer sudo su c.c

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clever[rev]:

that may not parse the bashrc right and stuff

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xand:

my other ubuntu box I just set root's password and use su... sudo is annoying

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clever[rev]:

so it wont be working right

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xand:

sudo su – will

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clever[rev]:

yeah

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clever[rev]:

sudo -i is shorter though

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xand:

nevermind :P

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clever[rev]:

ive got a 2nd laptop here with ati and i cant get that one to tvout at all

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clever[rev]:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02)

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xand:

"TV is active." LOL lying program

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clever[rev]:

lol

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clever[rev]:

CRT is attached.

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xand:

my laptop has ati, won't try it on there

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clever[rev]:

actualy its the internal lcd panel

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clever[rev]:

a laptop would make a good thin client

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clever[rev]:

its allready small

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xand:

i might just get a cheap geforce card :|

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Yahooadam:

ATI & Linux = agh

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clever[rev]:

Yahooadam: yeah:D

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** xand slaps AMD around with the hurry-up-with-that-OSS-stuff stick **

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Yahooadam:

lol

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** Yahooadam cries **

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Yahooadam:

the computer my backend runs on is randomly freezing

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** clever[rev] looks for the tvout cord **

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xand:

hmm, 20 quid for cheapest geforce card on dabs.com

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clever[rev]:

Yahooadam: setup serial or netconsole and watch for panics

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Yahooadam:

FX5200 ?

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xand:

or a bit more than that

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Yahooadam:

too much work, and its raining atm :p

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xand:

Dabs Value NVIDIA GeForce 6200 256MB DDR AGP DVI VO

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Yahooadam:

it might be cos i just updated the kernel

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Yahooadam:

or cos i was messing around with rc.d

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xand:

this radeon card works fine with a proper monitor :(

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xand:

need to get an LCD tv

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Yahooadam:

i never really got my radeon to work on a LCD PC screen

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Yahooadam:

2 days or somthing and DRI still wouldnt work

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xand:

works great here ;)

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xand:

just not with TV

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xand:

at least, not in xv mode

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xand:

hm

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xand:

now I have no picture on the TV at all.

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xand:

dunno what atitvout did to it, but needed a power cycle of pc to fix...

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clever[rev]:

it does some low level stuff to the card

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clever[rev]:

which may horidly confuse it till you cut power

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Yahooadam:

meh, ill have to deal with it tommorow

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Yahooadam:

too cold and late for now

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xand:

hmm, is that the time!

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xand:

it's 10C here, quite warm really

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Yahooadam:

nite all

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xand:

nn

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Yahooadam:

ive had to go out into the rain twice to reset my backend >_<

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xand:

it's outside? o.O

[02:30:09]

Yahooadam:

yeah, in a shed thing

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Yahooadam:

with the rest of my servers

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xand:

I see

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** xand likes the rain **

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EnderTheThird:

not a bad idea. keep the bastards out of the way, heh.

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Yahooadam:

yeah :p

[02:30:58]

EnderTheThird:

Now you just need to hook them up to the neighbor's power outlet

[02:31:04]

Yahooadam:

more wires in that shed then nasa ;)

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xand:

I did that at my student house, but the shed was a bit dusty

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xand:

and spidery

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EnderTheThird:

see if he notices the $30/mo jump in his electric bill, heh

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Yahooadam:

that little ? ;)

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EnderTheThird:

I do wonder how much electricity my setup burns

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EnderTheThird:

I should get one of those power meter things

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xand:

oh well I'll have to put my backend back so I can plug the aerial cables back in

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Yahooadam:

anyway, nn all, happy viewing ;)

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EnderTheThird:

I'm really tempted to toss a BE at the front desk (hotel). i watch tv most of the time i'm here, might as well catch up on those cable shows i'd miss if i cancel cable at home

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EnderTheThird:

i can say it's for everyone so we get less pissed when we have to get off our asses to help a customer, haha

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CCFL_Man:

so, anyone here use headend satellite receivers with mythtv?

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jimbalaya:

does anyone know what I would have had to do in order to make lirc 'mode2' tests not work, but MythTV respond to the remote?

[02:48:43]

jimbalaya:

(longer version is that i'm migrating my mythtv box, the old one works as described above, and the new one doesn't work at all)

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jimbalaya:

to make it odd, the new box has worked, intermittently, in the day that i've spent putting it together

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xand:

god I hate the amazon ebay thing where stuff is sold by other companies

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Toxicity999:

Anyone have thoughts on the best (read: cheapest possible solution) for direct, no hardware encoding (0-lag) devices? Specifically composite.

[02:55:49]

Toxicity999:

I found a hauppauge on newegg that was 40$, but that's kind of steep for something so simple.

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Toxicity999:

Specifically this is for hooking up older game consoles (so quality isn't a huge factor)

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Toxicity999:

I guess I can kill a room...

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Toxicity999:

Lol.

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xand:

$40 doesn't sound expensive to me c.c

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** xand orders cheapest geforce agp card from amazon c.c **

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xand:

screw you ati!

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Toxicity999:

xand Well I payed like 53 for my full fledged PVR-150, and I just want something with no hard-enc, which has composite input. 40 seems high.

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Toxicity999:

I can always use direct RAW access on my 150

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Toxicity999:

but then I can't record and game.

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** Tanthrix really wishes Myth's channel scanner wasn't broken for his A180 card **

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clever[rev]:

where was the patch to fix ir blasting in the pvr 150?

[03:35:43]

clever[rev]:

Toxicity999: you could just use a thing called a 'spliter':P

[03:36:05]

clever[rev]:

Toxicity999: feed the game console to the card AND tv at once

[03:36:17]

clever[rev]:

even a frame grabber has lag in mythtv

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Toxicity999:

clever[rev] well I would spawn mplayer from a menu entry

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Toxicity999:

and a nice script

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clever[rev]:

xawtv/tvtime may be able to use the raw mode of the 150 to feed video right into video ram

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clever[rev]:

but it will still have minor lag

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Toxicity999:

not bad though

[03:37:21]

clever[rev]:

even a plain coax wire isnt 0 lag:P

[03:37:26]

Toxicity999:

I played with the raw nodes IVTV creates

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clever[rev]:

have you played with the ir blaster on the 150?

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Toxicity999:

mine has none.

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clever[rev]:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

I don't know of any app that uses the raw feeds from the pvr cards

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GreyFoxx:

IT's really not worth the time to even try to get working

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GreyFoxx:

you can buy a cheap framegrabber for like $10 on ebay

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GreyFoxx:

and half the time the raw feeds from the pvr cards is broken in the drivers

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Tanthrix:

GreyFoxx: You have an A180 right?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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clever[rev]:

does the pvr150 receiver work with other remotes?

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Tanthrix:

GreyFoxx: Any recommendations on crashing channel scanning? It seems that ever since I upgraded myth last (for SD months back) I can no longer scan for channels

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GreyFoxx:

not really

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GreyFoxx:

I've had to scan for channels on it twice in the last 8 months

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GreyFoxx:

and each time it worked

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Tanthrix:

Hrm.

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clever[rev]:

im on the very latest svn and was able to scan with my pvr 150

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GreyFoxx:

last one being last aug/sept when I moved to the multirec branch

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clever[rev]:

but the tuner was getting a poor signal so i just went back to using the external tuner

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Tanthrix:

Could be something on my setup then. Though, the only thing I've changed is myth since I was last able to scan

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Toxicity999:

GreyFoxx I've already had it working.

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GreyFoxx:

A few of us have talked about setting something up at SD so that we can keep alist of QAM/ATSC channels so people don;t have to scan most of the time

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Toxicity999:

GreyFoxx just point mplayer to the raw nodes created by IVTV for a/v

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Toxicity999:

works like a charm

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Tanthrix:

Would be nice.

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Tanthrix:

I really wish I could get this figured out. As it stands now, I can't even import a channel.conf. It crashes as soon as it attempts to scan for those channels

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GreyFoxx:

Toxicity999: I was referring to the mention of xawtv/tvtime. and using mplayer wont let you change channels on it

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jimbalaya:

hrm, when did the'mythtv' user's home director change to /var/lib/mythtv ?

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Toxicity999:

GreyFoxx it's direct input for a game console, that's not a problem.

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Tanthrix:

My only recourse is to add things from the db manually, which isn't fun. I barely understand how the whole thing is setup there.

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Toxicity999:

I wouldn't bother with true live for TV

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clever[rev]:

Toxicity999: ive found with my frame grabber that when i use mplayer it uses more cpu and processes the video

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GreyFoxx:

jimbalaya: That would be something specific to your distro/packages

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jimbalaya:

ah, thanks GreyFoxx

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clever[rev]:

Toxicity999: xawtv/tvtime would aim the framegrabber right at the video ram and eat near 0 cpu power

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Toxicity999:

Care to point one out? Not finding much.

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mzb:

anyone running multirec? I'm having problems getting overlap to work on consecutive programmes. I'm starting to suspect "Recording Groups" which is an option I don't understand.

[03:46:08]

mzb:

any suggestions?

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GreyFoxx:

mzb: I use multirec. not sure what you mean by overlap though

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Tanthrix:

Are the mplexid for the dtv_multiplix and channel tables supposed to correspond?

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Tanthrix:

All my QAM channels have a service id of 16, but when I look at the rows with a source id of 16 on dtv_multiplex, they don't seem to match up in any way

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mzb:

GreyFoxx: if there are two consecutive programmes on the same channel (eg. A and B) I sometimes get "overlap" (for want of a better phrase) so that the end of A and the start of B have the same content ... but sometimes it doesn't work

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GreyFoxx:

I assume you are using that record early/end late stuff ?

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GreyFoxx:

I don';t use any of that

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mzb:

I'm using softpad

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mzb:

5 pre, 15 post

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mzb:

(mins)

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GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't really expect it to work well with that,but then I have not tried it

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mzb:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

but it does let me record a channel and "live tv" to the same channel even though it's jsut one card

[03:51:21]

mzb:

are you aware of how the Recording Groups are supposed to work?

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GreyFoxx:

so it might work

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mzb:

it worked well to start with ... but now I'm getting intermittent results ... not sure how to debug

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GreyFoxx:

Recording groups are what I use to label recordingfs and have nothing to do with tuners

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mzb:

err

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mzb:

that's not what the setup page suggests (iirc)

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GreyFoxx:

Recording groups can be used on the Watch recordings screen to seperate my stuff, my wifes stuff, my daughters etc

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mzb:

ah

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clever[rev]:

mzb: some of the shows on right now need some overlap here

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GreyFoxx:

You must be thinking of input groups?

[03:53:04]

mzb:

I might have the wrong terminology (again!)

[03:53:05]

mzb:

yes

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clever[rev]:

mzb: the shows are ending 7mins late

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mzb:

that's right

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mzb:

yes, I allow up to 15 mins late time using softpad

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clever[rev]:

setting it to record 7mins later on the scheduling half works

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clever[rev]:

but then the next show winds up conflicting and cant record

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GreyFoxx:

mzb: I haven't looked at them since set them up :)

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clever[rev]:

and at some points the next show isnt recording to catch the end

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mzb:

the problem is that the post softpad is not working, so that prog B stops the post softpad on A

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clever[rev]:

id like to be able to get overlaping to work at all here

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mzb:

hmm :|

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clever[rev]:

mzb: how are you setting the softpad?

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clever[rev]:

and is overlap only part of the multirec branch?

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mzb:

softpad as opposed to hardpad (as recommended)

[03:56:05]

mzb:

yes, overlap is multirec only

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clever[rev]:

ahh

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mzb:

(ie. from a single tuner)

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clever[rev]:

what may break if i switch to multirec(only a single pvr 150 here)?

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GreyFoxx:

It wont be of use to you

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GreyFoxx:

It's only a benefit if you have a dvb card

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clever[rev]:

does overlaping work any on hardware encoder cards?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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clever[rev]:

:(

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clever[rev]:

i cant see that much of a diff between a hardware encoder and a dvb

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clever[rev]:

both just output mpeg streams

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GreyFoxx:

uhhhh

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clever[rev]:

dvb though can output many

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GreyFoxx:

no

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clever[rev]:

what is different then?

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GreyFoxx:

hardware encoder is 1 channel, 1 compressed feed. dvb is 1 channel, many compressed feeds and you just pick out the ones you want and ignore the others

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Tanthrix:

GreyFoxx: By any chance do you know if the channels table and the dtv_multiplex table the only two tables that I need to mess with to add/modify/delete channels?

[03:58:21]

clever[rev]:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

so multirec lets you recording multiple compressed feeds from the 1 dvb channel

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clever[rev]:

GreyFoxx: but cant overlap just be applied seperately to the selected feed/channel?

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Toxicity999:

My questions before about a no lag solution for composite input, how about http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100120 do kworlds tend to work at all under linux? *googles*

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GreyFoxx:

clever[rev]: I don'tunderstand exactly what you are asking

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GreyFoxx:

Tanthrix: Dunno

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mzb:

GreyFoxx: in my case it really shouldn't matter ... I'm not talking about the "multiple streams per transport" feature of dvb ... I'm talking about the same stream with overlap (provided by softpad)

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: Think multiple streams on the same frequency. The DVB card can only tune one frequency at a time, just the same that an analog card can, but the difference is that with digital streams there are sometimes more than one channel being broadcast at the same time.

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GreyFoxx:

Tanthrix: Everytime I touch that stuff I have to figure it out all over again

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clever[rev]:

GreyFoxx: yeah i know that

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: Analog channels don't do that, so you can only tune one at a time.

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clever[rev]:

Tanthrix: i mean

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clever[rev]:

but i mean if i have 2 overlaping schedules on the SAME channel

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Tanthrix:

GreyFoxx: I know the feeling. Thanks anyway.

[04:00:41]

clever[rev]:

how can i catch the overlaping parts to TWO files at once?

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GreyFoxx:

You can't

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mzb:

*that* is what I'm talking about

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mzb:

and I *did* have it working

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mzb:

(unless my eyes deceived me;)

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GreyFoxx:

mzb: Only softpadding I'm aware of is from apatch in trac, not from anything actually in myth itself unless it's been added and I just didn';t notice the commit

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mzb:

I haven't patched

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mzb:

(except for shoutcast)

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clever[rev]:

if i had overlaping working better id be able to record 5mins before/after certain shows while avoiding conflicts

[04:02:17]

clever[rev]:

and id be able to delete the show after X without loosing the last 5mins of X

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clever[rev]:

currently when i record A, B i sometimes wind up with part of A in B and half of B missing(in C which i may not record)

[04:03:04]

Tanthrix:

That's not a bad idea, but for the record, that has nothing to do with multirec. Nothing to do with the tuner at all, actually. More a simple function of some file work with myth.

[04:03:08]

mzb:

Setup->TV Playback->General -> "Time to record before start of show" ... etc

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mzb:

as opposed to hardpad which is ... errr ... hard :)

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rushfan:

The point of S/PDIF is 5.1 sound, right?

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clever[rev]:

mzb: i have those 2 set to 60 seconds right now which doesnt cause a conflict but another show on the same channel may steal the last 60 seconds

[04:03:55]

mzb:

... General (Advanced) ... that is (last page)

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rushfan:

Anyone here use a Riviera 5.1 soundcard w/ ubuntu + mythtv?

[04:04:28]

rushfan:

I cant get the AC3 pass-through to work. Right now I hear absolutely nothing

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mzb:

clever[rev]: that's what I'm trying to avoid ... sometimes it works, sometimes not .... I'd better start using hard pad ... that and fix the aerial lead to the 2nd tuner ;)

[04:05:00]

clever[rev]:

Tanthrix: i beleive it just needs to start feeding the mpeg stream to a 2nd file

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clever[rev]:

Tanthrix: it would also fix the problem of the tuner retuning/irblasting and loosing 5 seconds when its allready on the correct channel

[04:05:41]

Toxicity999:

If anyone else asks about Game console use on their mythbox, this cheap-ass card seems a good solution. 9.99, and supports direct dump composite in.

[04:05:54]

clever[rev]:

mzb: yeah i could just hook my frame grabber up to solve the overlap problem but the cpu usage from it is horid

[04:06:08]

clever[rev]:

mzb: and id need a 2nd digital tuner/ir blaster to feed it

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rushfan:

Anyone here have a card w/ S/PDIF out period, that uses it with digital tv?

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clever[rev]:

rushfan: my motherboard has onboard sound with spdif outputs

[04:08:27]

clever[rev]:

rushfan: but i have nothing with spdif in so its a bit useless atm

[04:08:51]

rushfan:

Ahh.

[04:09:05]

rushfan:

My reciever has optical in, but I cant get it wokring under ubuntu w/ mythtv

[04:09:12]

rushfan:

Perhaps my reciever doesnt like the AC3 audio?

[04:09:24]

clever[rev]:

i think one of my dvd players has optical out and the motherboard has both

[04:09:39]

rushfan:

I might just install Gentoo on the machine, cause Im alot more familiar with it. I just cant '

[04:09:44]

rushfan:

'get around' in mythbuntu with configuring things.

[04:09:49]

rushfan:

Like /usr/src/linux doesnt even exist. wtf

[04:10:11]

rushfan:

I dont understand it at all. :\ It was a nice easy frontend though

[04:10:15]

rushfan:

Until I had to get complicated

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clever[rev]:

im using plain ubuntu here with mythtv svn ontop of it

[04:10:33]

clever[rev]:

ive setup a few of my frontends to be noob friendly

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: Maybe plain ubuntu would support that sound card better?

[04:10:49]

clever[rev]:

automatic startup and simple shutdown/reboot option when you escape out of the main menu

[04:10:53]

rushfan:

I know I can get it working under gentoo but its a long, arduous installation.

[04:11:03]

clever[rev]:

rushfan: the analog outputs on my card work fine under ubuntu

[04:11:16]

clever[rev]:

0000:02:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: Avance Logic Inc. ALS4000 Audio Chipset

[04:11:21]

clever[rev]:

0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 12)

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mzb:

rushfan: try Debian Lenny

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clever[rev]:

not shure which is which

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clever[rev]:

one is a plain analog pci card

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clever[rev]:

other is onboard with the spdif out and analog

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: but this is digital :|

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rushfan:

mzb: Lenny?

[04:13:07]

clever[rev]:

rushfan: ive also got a 'hda' sound card in one of my laptops

[04:13:08]

rushfan:

OH god, I dont want to screw around with Debian.

[04:13:19]

rushfan:

clever[rev]: hmm. Im sure the analog on my soundcard would work

[04:13:21]

clever[rev]:

rushfan: it sounds like the card is designed to take digital audio and decode it in the card

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rushfan:

Its just the damn digital doesnt

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: I think so

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rushfan:

http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/riviera/home.aspx

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clever[rev]:

00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)

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clever[rev]:

that card uses the hda driver

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rushfan:

It has a linux driver. "Unsupported" but they release one

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: what card? The turtle beach? Or yours?

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mzb:

rushfan: Debian Testing (==Lenny)

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clever[rev]:

theone i just pasted

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rushfan:

Oh

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rushfan:

IVe been googling my card w/o much luck

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mzb:

Lenny => everything where it's supposed to be ;)

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rushfan:

Ahh, theres an ubuntu forum post on my card

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rushfan:

mzb: I dont touch Debian. heh

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rushfan:

I know Ubuntu is debian based. Not sure how much of debian it carries over

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mzb:

not enough :)

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mzb:

anyway ... your loss :P

[04:16:59]

rushfan:

Bleck. mzb: ever used gentoo? :P

[04:17:04]

mzb:

yes

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rushfan:

Source based = efficient machine

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mzb:

not efficient to maintain

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rushfan:

Now it breaks a-lot, but its usually easy to fix things

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clever[rev]:

ive got lfs on 2 harddrives

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rushfan:

mzb: It definetely isnt for production environemnt

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clever[rev]:

its basicaly gentoo with less automation

[04:17:44]

rushfan:

lfs? Yeah thats too extreme for me

[04:17:49]

rushfan:

Gentoo bootstraps for you and stuff

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clever[rev]:

manualy ./configure;make;make install EVERYTHING

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clever[rev]:

half of them need special configure args when making the toolkit to use in the chroot

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rushfan:

YEah and no automatic deps pulling in

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rushfan:

Granted when I first installed SUSE, I didnt know about RPMs so I was installing everything from source. lol

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clever[rev]:

took some work to get X going

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rushfan:

Manually finding dependencies, etc.

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clever[rev]:

but once i did it was a great thin client

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clever[rev]:

until the motherboard in the laptop went tits up

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keith4_:

my master backend rebooted, and it forgot about the pcHDTV 5500, so I deleted all cards and re-added them, and now the HD tuner doesn't work

[04:19:45]

rushfan:

keith4_: I had that problem with my HDHomeRun. hehe

[04:19:55]

rushfan:

I had to completely wipe out my database and start over

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keith4_:

ugh!

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clever[rev]:

ouch

[04:20:09]

keith4_:

i doubt you *had* to do that

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rushfan:

You're right, I didnt have to

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rushfan:

I had no patience and wanted a quick fix.

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keith4_:

ah

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keith4_:

i have time

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rushfan:

besides, I had finally gotten a SchedulesDirect subscription, so it made sense anyhow.

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rushfan:

wiped out all the old scrubber garbage

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clever[rev]:

i havent cleared my db since i installed the 0.18 package in ubuntu

[04:21:10]

rushfan:

Im on svn

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clever[rev]:

im also on svn now

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rushfan:

my machine updates automatically at 4 am every day, and I run unstable.

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rushfan:

Its a bit scary really.

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clever[rev]:

lol

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rushfan:

You couldnt imagine how often things break

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rushfan:

One time I broke every single executable on my machine. lol

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clever[rev]:

OUCH!

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rushfan:

Some *critical* libraries got borked, so even the revdep-rebuild scrip that rebuilds the library deps broken

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rushfan:

Could ls, cd, cp, make, etc. etc.

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rushfan:

Obviously I had to reinstall

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clever[rev]:

cd is part of your shell

[04:22:39]

clever[rev]:

cd will allways work

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: No, the shell broke

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rushfan:

I couldnt su or anything

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clever[rev]:

then you wont even be able to get a shell to do anything:P

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rushfan:

So I couldnt fix anything because I couldnt get to root priveleges.

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rushfan:

Even my gettys were broken

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keith4_:

so now I have 154629 lines of "pcHDTV::GetSignal_v4l1(fd 13, input 3, v4l2): error(Invalid argument)" in backend log

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clever[rev]:

init=/bin/sh from the kernel args

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rushfan:

So I couldnt login as root. IT was messed up

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clever[rev]:

rushfan: then youll have sh running as root with nothing else

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clever[rev]:

but sh may also have been borked:P

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rushfan:

Probably.

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rushfan:

Everything was borked.

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rushfan:

Except for wget and links oddly enough. lol

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clever[rev]:

anything thats built staticly should keep working

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rushfan:

It was seriously weird, like God had allowed me enough tools to download a repair CD and read some docs

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clever[rev]:

lol

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: my whole machine is compiled though

[04:24:40]

clever[rev]:

most things are compiled in a dynamic mode though

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rushfan:

Like I dont have one single binary on it. I even compile KDE and OOo which take hours

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clever[rev]:

and use /etc/ld.so to pull in any needed lib's

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rushfan:

Yeah, Gentoo has a BSD Ports style system

[04:25:15]

rushfan:

Im not sure how Ubuntu works since its binary

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clever[rev]:

you need a binary to start all that:P

[04:25:23]

clever[rev]:

the compiler and friends

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: well yeah, but I actually recompile those once downloaded

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rushfan:

emerge -e world

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rushfan:

Recompiling the compiler

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clever[rev]:

yeah

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clever[rev]:

with lfs you make a symlink at /tools/ pointing to /newroot/tools/

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rushfan:

Or one time I broke mythtv. Permanently

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rushfan:

Everythign worked but mythtv cause of some odd Qt anomoly.

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clever[rev]:

then you build everything needed to compile with --prefix=/tools/

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rushfan:

IT was a problem with GCC flags or something

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clever[rev]:

then chroot into /newroot/ and rebuild everything including the compiler normaly

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: Ive thought about trying lfs but never had the time

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rushfan:

too busy maintaing gentoo. herh

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rushfan:

heh*

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clever[rev]:

i read over the book fully before trying

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rushfan:

Maybe in coolege

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clever[rev]:

ive yet to get thru grade 11:P

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: Im a senior.

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clever[rev]:

I am 20.771892 years old. (I'll be 21 in 12wks 1hr 32mins 34secs.)

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rushfan:

But I wont be going anywhere if I write 'coolege' on my apps. heh

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clever[rev]:

lol

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: you're still in High School?

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rushfan:

Or you just quit?

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clever[rev]:

i was kicked out of grade 11 back in 2004

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rushfan:

nice. heh

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mchou:

you serious?

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rushfan:

I try not to smash peoples heads through walls and what not myself

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mchou:

for what?

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clever[rev]:

mchou: a fight

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: I figured so

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rushfan:

Its usually a fight. A really bad fight

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mchou:

clever[rev]: for real?

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clever[rev]:

yeah

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: smash anyones head thorugh a wall?

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clever[rev]:

the classroom emptyed faster then a fire drill

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rushfan:

A kid I know got kicked out for that

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: oh it was in class. shit

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clever[rev]:

dont beleive i pushed any1 thru a wall:P

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: who started it?

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clever[rev]:

but chairs and desks went flying

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rushfan:

jesus.

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mchou:

clever[rev]: which state was this in?

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rushfan:

I saw a teacher toss a chair once

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clever[rev]:

a few put holes in the celeing

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clever[rev]:

mchou: canada:P

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mchou:

clever[rev]: which province?

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clever[rev]:

NB

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clever[rev]:

my spelling is poor:P

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mchou:

clever[rev]: and you never finished high school?

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clever[rev]:

not yet

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: what was the fight over?

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rushfan:

Kid picking on you? Banged your girlfriend?

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clever[rev]:

rushfan: my GF punched me in the nose

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mchou:

or went on for higher ed?

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clever[rev]:

i went to tap her over the head

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rushfan:

Holy crap, it was with a girl?

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clever[rev]:

but i hit harder

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clever[rev]:

which just made me mad

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clever[rev]:

and made it get worse

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rushfan:

Did she get expelled too?

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mchou:

hell no

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clever[rev]:

dont beleive so

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rushfan:

Or did she get off because of the 'you cant hit a girl bullshit;

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rushfan:

So she starts it, fights with you just as much as you did.

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rushfan:

and you got expelled?

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rushfan:

Bullllshit

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clever[rev]:

at one point i pushed/kicked an entire row of desks off to 1 side of the room

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clever[rev]:

while half of them still had students in them

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mchou:

dude, that hardly sounds like your g/f

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mchou:

:)

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: did you have a boyfriend?

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clever[rev]:

no:P

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rushfan:

Its ok to admit it... I dont know many girls that hit like that

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: did she fight you back?

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clever[rev]:

not realy

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rushfan:

Oh.

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rushfan:

You assaulted her :P

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clever[rev]:

the person im hitting doesnt fight back very often

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: are you built?

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clever[rev]:

its mostly just poke poke poke for 5 weeks then i kick the shit out of him/her

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mchou:

wtf??

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clever[rev]:

rushfan: i carried a pc+monitor home once and then i couldnt lift my arms over my head for a week:P

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mchou:

sigh....

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mchou:

stupid kids

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rushfan:

clever[rev]: thats not good

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mchou:

clever[rev]: so you never finished high school?

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clever[rev]:

just means im not in shape

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clever[rev]:

mchou: not yet

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clever[rev]:

mchou: but i have learned a good deal in programing and linux since then

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keith4_:

this page ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PcHDTV_HD-5500 ) says "When adding the new capture card to myth in mythtv-setup, be sure to select DVB, not pchdtv." is this accurate?

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mchou:

clever[rev]: do it while you're still young

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mchou:

clever[rev]: dude, all the programming jobs being offshored :)

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clever[rev]:

mchou: i had a few grade 11 courses done when i was in 10

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clever[rev]:

mchou: which is why i was in a grade 12 biology class in 'grade 11'

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mchou:

clever[rev]: non of that crap matters. just get your H.S diploma and move on to higher ed

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mchou:

none*

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clever[rev]:

could just edit one on the pc:P

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mchou:

if canada has equivalent of GED go ahead and take that

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clever[rev]:

i did that to one of my report cards in the past

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clever[rev]:

scan&edit&print

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mchou:

clever[rev]: what are you, forrest gump?

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clever[rev]:

even though the scaner turned the while into light blue and print job was horid my parrents never suspected a thing

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mchou:

stupid is as stupid does

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clever[rev]:

lol

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mchou:

assault->forgery. what's next?

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mchou:

grand larceny?

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clever:

ive remotely shutdown a few computer systems

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clever:

which didnt belong to me:P

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clever:

but most of them let me in without knowing it

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clever:

basicaly a very simple trojan on the side of a large program

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** clever wonders how many basic trojans are hidden in the mythtv source;P **

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clever:

and the ati binary drivers are worse:P(cant read the source to check)

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orkid:

disconnect your computer from the internet.

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rushfan:

Hmm, gnetoo has some fancy schmancy installer script wizard these days.

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rushfan:

Im not sure how much Ill like it :|

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clever:

orkid: or tighten up iptables

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orkid:

no

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gambler:

Can someone help me with LIRC configuration on fedora? My remote is working and sending data, but I cant configure it using irrecord

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rushfan:

Anyhone ever gotten an error like this: 2007-12–29 00:10:32.822 RingBuf(/video/1044_20071229001026.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/video/1044_20071229001026.mpg'

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rushfan:

I cant watch livetv :|

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hobophobe:

Anyone with 5C/DTCP experience know what exactly 'copy once' means? You can only view a show once via Firewire?

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hobophobe:

Or will it just not be viewable via firewire, only 'copy freely' channels?

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iamlindoro:

No. Copy once allows for a personal archival copy... besides, myth doesn't have any DRM elements

[05:46:34]

iamlindoro:

You can record when it's set to copy once

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hobophobe:

Ok

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hobophobe:

Are generally only HD channels available over the firewire, or all channels it can tune (except copy never)?

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J-e-f-f-A:

hobophobe: That depends on your provider...

[05:48:14]

hobophobe:

Yes

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hobophobe:

Charter's website says they comply with the FCC to provide firewire and stick to the 5C guidelines... hmm

[05:49:28]

iamlindoro:

hobophobe: In general you will only ever get network TV over firewire

[05:49:41]

iamlindoro:

there are some exceptions, but that's the most most people ever get

[05:49:56]

hobophobe:

Ah, ok.

[05:49:59]

iamlindoro:

Otherwise we'd all be using firewire

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J-e-f-f-A:

hobophobe: It's a good chance that at least the local channels (both sd and HD) are in the clear, but most everything else is likely to be encrypted. But you don't know until you try...

[05:50:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, just like iamlindoro said... ;-)

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hobophobe:

Yeah, my brother just got a hauppauge hvr 1800 and so we're gonna swap his SD box for an HD box, just trying to get an idea of what to expect (and figure if I need to order another rs232 cable, or a firewire cable, etc.)

[05:51:56]

iamlindoro:

You know you don't use a cable box for ATSC, right?

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hobophobe:

ah

[05:52:19]

hobophobe:

so I should already just plug in direct?

[05:52:25]

iamlindoro:

getting an HD box will only be good for watching TV off the box, no good to myth

[05:52:46]

iamlindoro:

hobophobe: Yes. That's the only way ATSC works, either straight QAM (no box) or OTA

[05:53:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

hobophobe: That might work – again, depending on the provider... I myself have a rooftop antenna for my atsc tuners — I get all the major networks, including the sub-channels, I get like 22 channels...

[05:53:54]

hobophobe:

but I'd still need a box to record the SD digital channels, eh?

[05:54:12]

iamlindoro:

No, can tune those via analog

[05:54:38]

hobophobe:

oh, so just a splitter and no cable box at all?

[05:54:39]

iamlindoro:

well, basic ones anyway

[05:54:48]

iamlindoro:

if you get extended cable, yes, keep a basic SD box

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hobophobe:

ok

[05:54:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

With comcast you can probably tune them via analog, for now at least, but as they transition over to 100% digital, that will go away.

[05:54:58]

iamlindoro:

ie, HBO, cinemax, etc.

[05:55:24]

hobophobe:

splitter is gonna kill the signal :/

[05:55:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Just like cell phones transitioned from Analog to Digital, cable companies are now doing the same. (At least 3x as many channels possible with the switch...)

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monkeypet:

J-e-f-f-A: I am still using analog for my cable. I have cable boxes.

[06:08:00]

monkeypet:

I meant, i hate cable boxes.

[06:08:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

monkeypet: hehe... Yeah, I follow you. ;-)

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jhulst:

Any recommendations for HD cards? I'm looking at the HD Homerun or the pcHDTV 5500, any thoughts on either of those?

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EnderTheThird:

I have the HDHR, and I love it!

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EnderTheThird:

I like saving PCI slots and using it as an IR receiver saves some hassle

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jhulst:

EnderTheThird: Do you use it with cable or Over the air?

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EnderTheThird:

QAM via cable

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EnderTheThird:

No problems, though I did need to delete all the junk ClearQAM channels my provider sends too (mostly standard def stuff that I already get via my analog cable card)

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J-e-f-f-A:

jhulst: I have a pcHDTV 3000 and 5500 — using with OTA ATSC.

[06:24:22]

EnderTheThird:

The only complaint I'd have with the HDHR is that it does ONLY HD, and can't be used for SD channels at all

[06:25:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

EnderTheThird: Hey, that's fine by me! ;-)

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jhulst:

I got a notice that Comcast is switching to digital cable only, my PVR-150 won't be able to record that will it? I'll need something like the HDHR?

[06:26:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

EnderTheThird: The 3000 and 5500 do SD, but they're just frame-grabbers with analog.

[06:26:58]

EnderTheThird:

jhulst: you'd want to check that it's going to be unencrypted first

[06:27:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

jhulst: Yes, but if they encrpt those channels, a HDHR won't do you any good...

[06:27:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

exactly...

[06:27:42]

EnderTheThird:

if only we could get encrypted channels. i'd fork over $10–15/month to get 10+ extra HD channels

[06:27:43]

jhulst:

yeah, I'll have to see about that, may be about time to cancel the cable and switch to OTA

[06:28:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

jhulst: Yeah, but you can't get the Discovery channel, TLC, HBO, etc on OTA... :-(

[06:29:11]

EnderTheThird:

90% of what I watch is network anyway. I got cable a couple weeks ago because of the WGA strike

[06:29:30]

EnderTheThird:

probably get rid of it as soon as all of my primetime network stuff is back up and running

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jhulst:

I watch mostly network too, I'm not too concerned with the extra stuff

[06:29:57]

EnderTheThird:

that and it's $33/mo. for analog cable

[06:30:12]

EnderTheThird:

Which looks like ass on a 65" 1080p DLP anyway, heh

[06:30:33]

EnderTheThird:

brb

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monkeypet:

I am debating about going the HD tivo route.

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J-e-f-f-A:

monkeypet: Traitor!!! ;-)

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jhulst:

So from what I see, the only thing different between the HDHR and the pcHDTV are the analog capture. They both support all the same protocols?

[06:31:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

jhulst: The HDHR also has two tuners...

[06:31:52]

monkeypet:

J-e-f-f-A: lol, i have been loyal for 5 years! I grow old and wearny ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

monkeypet: hehe... Just kidding. Somebody needs to get smart and create a component-capture card. ;-)

[06:33:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

Actually, that wouldn't be the hard part, it would take tons of horsepower to encoded it to compressed form again in real time though....

[06:33:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

er... encode even... ;-)

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cafuego:

that's what fpgas are for

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jhulst:

Now just to find a cheap HDHR :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Goodnight guys... ;-) I'm gonna hit the sack so I don't sleep the whole day away tomorrow... ;-)

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EnderTheThird:

back

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EnderTheThird:

jhulst: mine was about $160–170 back in April when I got it.

[06:44:29]

EnderTheThird:

I don't think the price has changed much.

[06:44:46]

jhulst:

EnderTheThird: That's about what I'm finding

[06:45:35]

EnderTheThird:

Yeah. It's not a horrible price for 2 tuners though.

[06:45:59]

EnderTheThird:

And an IR receiver, which works great if you already have an all-in-one remote, like my Logitech Harmony 880. That thing rocks.

[06:46:50]

jhulst:

It'll probably be sitting in my "server room" anyways, so not much use for the IR Receiver

[06:47:28]

EnderTheThird:

Well it just uses ethernet to connect, so if you have an available port you can put it in your media room if you need it.

[06:47:44]

jhulst:

True

[06:48:24]

EnderTheThird:

That's what I do. But I am getting dangerously close to needing an additional switch for my router. I'm using all 4 ports right now (2 computers, X360, and the HDHR)

[06:48:43]

jhulst:

I'm ordering a switch as we speak :)

[06:48:57]

jhulst:

If newegg will cooperate

[06:49:36]

EnderTheThird:

Heh. I can't wait till I have a house. I'll network the shit outta that place. But seeing as that won't be for another 6+ years, there's a good chance I'll have all 802.11n anyway (or something even faster).

[06:51:10]

monkeypet:

EnderTheThird: I am still kicking myself for not having ethernet in my home, i am hoping for 802.11z having gigE speeds.

[06:51:31]

EnderTheThird:

haha, no joke

[06:52:21]

jhulst:

I'm running ethernet all over right now, it's not a fun task :)

[06:52:35]

EnderTheThird:

I'd blow some $$$ on 802.11n if it weren't for the fact that I'm in a damned 1 bedroom apt, so one cable going along a wall into my bedroom isn't a huge deal, heh.

[06:52:47]

EnderTheThird:

I have several hundred feet of cat5e cable yet

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monkeypet:

jhulst: i am wondering if i can use the existing phone wiring for ethernet... I don't use the phone lines anyways.

[06:53:24]

EnderTheThird:

I ordered a huge spool when I thought I'd be wiring my mom's place.

[06:53:47]

jhulst:

monkeypet: I don't think there is enough wires for cat5

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EnderTheThird:

You could use ethernet over your AC wiring.

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iamlindoro:

jhulst: If you think that's bad, try coming home and finding that the dog has escaped and eaten most of the cables on your mythbox, including the cables for your speakers that run mostly through the wall except on that one spot on the floorboard... and she chewed those in half too

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iamlindoro:

That was my today

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monkeypet:

EnderTheThird: Haha, i picked up a spool of 1000' cat5e from a yard sale.. wwried up my old house like a mofo... then moved..

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jhulst:

And that's one of the reasons a dog will never set foot in my house

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iamlindoro:

I spent five hours tearing everything back out of the wall and reinstalling speaker wire in the wall.

[06:55:08]

EnderTheThird:

I think I picked up 1000' back then too, but I just never got around to using the whole damned thing.

[06:55:14]

iamlindoro:

Although in her defense, my cabling has never been more organized thn it is tonight

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jhulst:

iamlindoro: :)

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iamlindoro:

and dogproof

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iamlindoro:

it only took her eating it to make me do it

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jhulst:

Hows the dog feeling? :)

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monkeypet:

iamlindoro: I have so many cables and shiate lying around.. i am glad I have not pets... only kids.

[06:56:04]

iamlindoro:

OK so far... hopefully she didn't swallow any wire, just chewed

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EnderTheThird:

I need a pet so I have a reason to redo all my shit cabling jobs, heh.

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iamlindoro:

I was angry, but scared for her too because it's speaker wire so lots of firbous little copper barbs

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monkeypet:

iamlindoro: I keep everything in my man-cave...

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iamlindoro:

er fibrous

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EnderTheThird:

No magnetic metals in there, is there?

[06:57:27]

EnderTheThird:

Keep her away from your harddrives if there is, heh.

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iamlindoro:

monkeypet: hehe, I have a very modern design sense and am a perfectionist... everything had to go in the walls, be out of sight, etc... just never got around to putting a new floorboard down at the sliding door to cover the cables running there

[06:58:28]

iamlindoro:

This week has been disaster-related myth improvement week

[06:58:30]

EnderTheThird:

I've done an awful job with my cable management. I thought I was getting new carpet here soon, so I never bothered.

[06:59:04]

iamlindoro:

first my MythVideo 2 TB array died... and got replaced with a new, more redundant 3 TB array... at the cost of all my videos

[06:59:12]

iamlindoro:

Then this little incident

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EnderTheThird:

3 TB? holy shit

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monkeypet:

iamlindoro: who needs redundancy... psf..

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: you make me feel like less of a man

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iamlindoro:

monkeypet: Heck, I* had* redundancy, but it doesn't help when you blow two drives at once

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EnderTheThird:

That's hose you. I need to do some back-up work here.

[07:00:08]

EnderTheThird:

*that'll

[07:00:18]

iamlindoro:

There's just no cheap way to back up that much stuff

[07:00:34]

monkeypet:

iamlindoro: Next array I am building, i am just going to concatenate the fs, so if i lose one drive, i don't lose everything.

[07:00:46]

EnderTheThird:

I have ~600GB of media storage (half used) and don't have a backup solution in place at the moment. :-/

[07:00:48]

iamlindoro:

So it came back bigger and safer, and I've decided it will *only* hold HD media, and I'm not transcoding it down any more

[07:01:07]

iamlindoro:

So I'm actually sitting here babysitting Blu ray and HD-DVD rips right now

[07:01:49]

EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: you make me want to get a better job so I can afford all that junk

[07:01:57]

EnderTheThird:

stupid college job, heh

[07:02:06]

iamlindoro:

Heh, well you'll get out of college eventuall

[07:02:07]

iamlindoro:

y

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EnderTheThird:

Eh, med school to go yet too. But in about 6–10 years, I'll be making bank, lol

[07:02:57]

EnderTheThird:

When everything is DRM'd to shit and this will be a huge pain in the ass to do

[07:03:10]

iamlindoro:

Heh, someone will *always* overcome it

[07:03:25]

EnderTheThird:

True.

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hobophobe:

It won't always be DRM'd

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iamlindoro:

And besides, there actually finally appears to be a slight trend away from it... hopefully it continues

[07:03:43]

EnderTheThird:

For optical media, definitely. Encrypted cable and whatnot, I'm not so sure about.

[07:03:46]

monkeypet:

Soon.. we will live free.

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hobophobe:

Cable is going to be dead in 10 years

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EnderTheThird:

Traditional cable definitely will.

[07:04:41]

EnderTheThird:

I hope OTA HD continues for a while yet though.

[07:05:53]

hobophobe:

Only stuff that needs to be live will be. There will still be release dates of series and such, but they won't matter as much except to the hardcore fans.

[07:06:27]

monkeypet:

hobophobe: cable, die, right...

[07:06:50]

EnderTheThird:

Yeah. I do enjoy free HD OTA though. Even though I pay $15 to get it via ClearQAM cause an antenna isn't worth the trouble in a bottom floor apt.

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hobophobe:

monkeypet, I'm not saying the infrastructure won't be used for something, just not how it is now (like Ender said, 'traditional')

[07:07:20]

EnderTheThird:

Yeah, cable providers need to get going with IPTV/VoD

[07:07:34]

EnderTheThird:

At real resolutions. The shit they have now is awful.

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monkeypet:

Seeding on comcast sucks... i am pissed..

[07:08:18]

EnderTheThird:

Yeah, that's some BS that they're pulling.

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iamlindoro:

Forget reset packets

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hobophobe:

They're doing what, actually inspecting individual packets?

[07:08:43]

iamlindoro:

er forged

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EnderTheThird:

Not sure, but I'm glad I don't have Comcast.

[07:09:42]

EnderTheThird:

Gotta piss off businesses that use it legitly though (Blizzard, Linux distros, etc.)

[07:09:45]

iamlindoro:

Which, minimally, is a criminal offense here in CA

[07:10:02]

EnderTheThird:

I like how they skirt around the whole issue too. Bastards.

[07:10:35]

monkeypet:

Stupid corporations..

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hobophobe:

I don't use bittorrent that much... but my old ISP had some kind of crazy malfunction/DoS attack and their solution was to block pretty much everything except HTTP, SMTP, POP, and usenet.

[07:12:22]

hobophobe:

So like, what if the net starts screwing with all comcast traffic? Any website against their tactics could redirect them to "call comcast and tell them to stop being idiots" pages?

[07:12:26]

EnderTheThird:

brilliant solution

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monkeypet:

I am hoping that someone will help me seed these files, but the mythtv community have been good to me and helped me seed in the past.

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hobophobe:

That or UDP?

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jhulst:

Anybody in the know that can give me a recommendation between these two switches? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare. . . . E16833127082

[07:18:16]

EnderTheThird:

Anyone know where deluge is kept? Stupid Firefox 3 Beta doesn't know where to find it and I can't remember.

[07:19:04]

EnderTheThird:

Nevermind.

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hobophobe:

jhulst, the D-Link looks better from that, but I can't claim to have personal experience (or be 'in the know').

[07:21:15]

iamlindoro:

Neither is a fantastic switch, but at that price point nothing will be... either will work fine for home use

[07:22:04]

iamlindoro:

I installed a bunch of D-link stuff to replace netgear stuff at my folk's house... have found it more reliable, at least.

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monkeypet:

netgear sucks.

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jhulst:

iamlindoro: what would you recommend instead?

[07:23:18]

monkeypet:

i like linksys the best out of the three.

[07:23:20]

iamlindoro:

jhulst: Nothing you're going to want to spend that much money on :)

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iamlindoro:

For those who can't afford Cisco, Some of the Dell switches are actually ok. But you're still talking a decent switch starting at $200ish

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jhulst:

iamlindoro: you're right, I'm not going to spend that much :)

[07:25:07]

iamlindoro:

I think they *may* have some dumb non-managed switches for under $100

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iamlindoro:

That also aren't half bad, and certainly better than anything you'll buy from Linksys/D-link/netgrear

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jhulst:

iamlindoro: What do you get, speed?

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jhulst:

* more speed?

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iamlindoro:

Speed, reliability, high quality parts

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iamlindoro:

bigger backbone

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EnderTheThird:

Either of you guys ever experiment with xbmc?

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jhulst:

alright, cheap dlink it is :)

[07:27:33]

iamlindoro:

Cheap gig switches have pretty low overall bandwidth, ie the individual links may be 1 Gbit, but they shared bus between then may only be 1 Gbit too

[07:28:06]

iamlindoro:

If you can go to $76 this is pretty okay http://www.dell.com/content/products/category . . . en&s=bsd

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EnderTheThird:

is it possible to do a raid mirror type setup when using lvm?

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jhulst:

EnderTheThird: I installed it once, but didn't do anything with it

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: yes

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iamlindoro:

You do LVM on top of raid

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iamlindoro:

Set up a RAID 1 with mdadm, then build LVM on top of that

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EnderTheThird:

Hmm, I already have LVM set up, and I"m wondering how much of a pain in the ass it would be to transfer all of that data.

[07:30:01]

EnderTheThird:

Considering I've never done a RAID setup in the first place, heh (I'm loosing geek cred by the minute here!)

[07:30:05]

iamlindoro:

You'd basically have to set up an identical system in parallel... which might mean borrowing drives

[07:30:35]

iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: It may just be my recent experiences speaking, but believe me when I say that it hurts to lose a big array full of two years worth of dvd rips

[07:30:37]

EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I'd probably have to resize partitions, transfer out of LVM onto that partition, then setup the RAID and go from there.

[07:30:50]

iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: Well, not in that order

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EnderTheThird:

hmmm, only problem is I'd want like 750GB of storage if I'm going through so much trouble for it, heh.

[07:31:56]

EnderTheThird:

So I can store all of my music on that same setup too. That could get pretty expensive real fast, heh.

[07:32:24]

jhulst:

iamlindoro: Doesn't look like that does Jumbo Frames, will that make a large difference?

[07:33:23]

EnderTheThird:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136151 Hmmm, sounds interesting with the variable speed.

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iamlindoro:

jhulst: Unless every device on your network can do jumbo frames, they're useless to you and can have unexpected and bad side effects... but last time I worked with the 16 port version of that same switch, it did support Jumbo

[07:35:01]

iamlindoro:

You just go into the web management for the switch and turn them on, and can actuall specify frame size manually

[07:35:08]

iamlindoro:

er actually

[07:35:19]

iamlindoro:

Up to some obscene and useless amount

[07:35:33]

jhulst:

This saysa no jumbo frames, http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30040/51/, hmm

[07:36:11]

EnderTheThird:

Damned miniATX mobo. I'd have to get an add-in SATA card to do that shit.

[07:36:23]

iamlindoro:

Dunno why the 16 would have features the 8 would lack, but I suppose it's possible

[07:36:25]

jhulst:

/s/saysa/says

[07:36:44]

iamlindoro:

ah, it atually says exactly that

[07:36:52]

iamlindoro:

that it's on the 16/24/48, but not the 8... hmm

[07:37:07]

iamlindoro:

anyway, all the same, you don't need jumbo frames to have a good gig-e network

[07:37:20]

iamlindoro:

That switch without Jumbo will still outperform any of those other two

[07:37:48]

jhulst:

iamlindoro: sounds good, thanks for your help with it, sounds like you know what you're talking about :)

[07:38:39]

iamlindoro:

jhulst: Thanks... have bought a switch or two in my days, that's for sure... from cheap to obscene... really though, if it's for a home network, you can take a deep breath and get a decent, reliable, cheap switch, it's really ok

[07:39:08]

iamlindoro:

That d-link will work fine for copying files, playing HD across the network, etc... more than enough, really

[07:39:43]

iamlindoro:

Now, if you want to build your own server room for a bank, we'll have a serious talk, but for purposes of #mythtv-users, D-link will do the job :)

[07:40:40]

iamlindoro:

Making the mistake of turning on jumbo on a not-totally-jumbo network had the effect of turning me into a crying, fetal-positioned little girl as the network did strange and crazy things around me

[07:40:46]

EnderTheThird:

Do you know if a 5400 rpm drive could cut it for Myth?

[07:40:55]

iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: Sure

[07:41:11]

EnderTheThird:

I have 2 HD tuners and 2 SD tuners on my BE... still yes?

[07:41:23]

iamlindoro:

The SD tuners Hardware encoders?

[07:41:40]

EnderTheThird:

This WD drive has a variable speed, but I'm hesitant to get it to save money and sound if the speed won't cut it.

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EnderTheThird:

Hauppauge PVR 500, hardware

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iamlindoro:

Well, actually, regardless, yes

[07:42:30]

iamlindoro:

You're talking about streaming on/off about 50 Mbit max... that's M*bit*... a decent 5400 can to 50 M*byte* easily a second

[07:42:31]

EnderTheThird:

I figured with that BE running 24/7, the power savings would be quite noticeable on 2 drives

[07:42:47]

EnderTheThird:

Rock on. Thanks.

[07:43:08]

iamlindoro:

No problem

[07:43:31]

EnderTheThird:

$500+ to get 1TB of RAID mirror (I forget which # is which, ha).

[07:43:41]

iamlindoro:

1

[07:44:10]

EnderTheThird:

But then I could store everything on that bad boy and only really need to worry about backing up documents on my system drives

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iamlindoro:

and making *damn* sure to watch the status via mdadm :)

[07:44:43]

EnderTheThird:

haha

[07:44:53]

iamlindoro:

Although they make it really easy

[07:44:53]

EnderTheThird:

speaking from experience a little?

[07:45:01]

iamlindoro:

just set it up to mail you if it changes status

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johnf:

can anyone point me at any docs which detail what the letters in the guide mean. eg one of my programmes has a green A

[07:45:23]

iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: I'm the first to admit my mistakes, and I'd love to save anyone some of the whoppers I've made :)

[07:45:34]

iamlindoro:

Press f1

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iamlindoro:

johnf ^^^

[07:45:52]

iamlindoro:

Oh, you mean in the guide

[07:45:52]

iamlindoro:

sorry

[07:46:02]

iamlindoro:

I thought you were talking about recorded programs

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johnf:

yeah already found the f1 thing for recordings :)

[07:46:08]

iamlindoro:

A means already recorded, will not record

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: You are quickly lessening my ability to buy a car this summer, haha

[07:47:13]

iamlindoro:

I'll see if I can dig up the appropriate wiki page

[07:47:38]

iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: Haha, well when I disappear from here next month if I go back to police work, you can patch me up some day ;)

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: I'll keep that in mind, haha. Then again, this WGA strike needs to end first because I'm not spending that to increase storage space for American Gladiator, ha.

[07:48:52]

iamlindoro:

Ugh, don't I know it

[07:49:23]

EnderTheThird:

I hated myself when I set Myth to record that. Ugh.

[07:49:25]

johnf:

thats wierd since upcoming recordings show that its going to record it

[07:49:37]

EnderTheThird:

I just had to. It's that horrible, horrible curiosity, ya know?

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EnderTheThird:

johnf: might have better look if you check the settings via MythWeb? IMO, it's a bitch to navigate via FE compared to mythweb.

[07:50:29]

EnderTheThird:

*look = luck

[07:50:47]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . e_Recordings

[07:50:56]

EnderTheThird:

Not that the FE UI is bad, it's just not as fast as MythWeb.

[07:51:02]

iamlindoro:

My bad, "always Record"

[07:51:21]

iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: Exactly, I seldom use the frontend for EPG... so fast to use MythWeb

[07:51:37]

EnderTheThird:

Son of a bitch, why does my BE always get behind on the fucking time.

[07:51:56]

iamlindoro:

johnf, check out link above

[07:52:02]

johnf:

cheers

[07:52:07]

iamlindoro:

np

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EnderTheThird:

It's off by 30 min right now, and I"m not sure how long it's been off.

[07:53:26]

iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: ntpd installed?

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah

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EnderTheThird:

Is there a way to tell it to sync time every hour or something?

[07:54:43]

iamlindoro:

Might have a stinky ntp server, I have always gotten best results with nist.gov

[07:54:43]

EnderTheThird:

I'm wondering if it's because the CPU isn't running at normal bus speed and if that's throwing off the timing, but it wasn't always like that.

[07:54:50]

iamlindoro:

Yes, could use cron

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EnderTheThird:

NTP server has the right time, it's just not syncing often enough.

[07:55:10]

iamlindoro:

Heck, you can have it sync every few minutes if you want

[07:55:22]

iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: Do a date then a hwclock and see if the times match

[07:55:56]

EnderTheThird:

hwclock is off by about 12 min

[07:56:07]

iamlindoro:

And date? Off by 30?

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EnderTheThird:

date is correct now because I sync'd with NTP.

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iamlindoro:

do hwclock --systohc

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iamlindoro:

Guess if you are worried about it you can script the ntp update, then hwclock --systohc, but probably better to find out why it's drifting in the first place

[07:57:23]

EnderTheThird:

ok, now it's the correc tme.

[07:57:51]

iamlindoro:

Or just keep an eye on it and see if it drifts by some predictable amount

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah. I have the CPU (Core 2 Duo) running a slower BUS speed because I didn't want to get a new graphics card and RAM when I bought the CPU, so I could keep my AGP card and RAM and whatnot

[07:58:17]

EnderTheThird:

Bad idea now that I think about it, but it only cost $40 for the mobo.

[07:58:22]

iamlindoro:

If it's a few minutes a day, it's one thing... if a few hours from now you're off by exactly 30 or 60 minutes, that's a little more suspicious and likely to be a sotware issue

[07:58:37]

iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: Yeah, might be

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EnderTheThird:

because hw time uses timings from that and everything, right?

[07:59:32]

iamlindoro:

yup

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmm

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EnderTheThird:

Too bad Best Buy doesn't sell hw for good prices or I could have used the $85 I had in gift cards with them for this crap.

[08:02:37]

iamlindoro:

Plus they don't carry a decent set of nvidia cards or decent linux tuner cards any more so they're not much good for Myth at this point

[08:03:14]

EnderTheThird:

Which NTP server did you say you usually use?

[08:03:46]

EnderTheThird:

I don't see nist in the list

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iamlindoro:

ntp.nist.gov

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iamlindoro:

National Institute of Standards and Technology... they're the ultimate timekeepers :)

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EnderTheThird:

heh, got ya

[08:05:37]

EnderTheThird:

by the way, homemade bread is freaking incredible.

[08:07:47]

EnderTheThird:

Any idea if support for onboard HDMI is present/good?

[08:08:10]

iamlindoro:

So long as the graphics card has decent drivers (nVidia, Intel) then the HDMI is supported and okay

[08:08:23]

iamlindoro:

It's just DVI with a few pins fo audio when it comes down to it

[08:08:26]

EnderTheThird:

NVIDIA GeForce 7150..... should be.

[08:08:45]

EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I know DVI and HDMI is the same. I have DVI --> HDMI cable going now.

[08:09:05]

EnderTheThird:

But an onboard HDMI would save me from buying a new graphics card when I don't really need much on there.

[08:10:37]

iamlindoro:

Yup, should be okay so long as you go with nvidia on Intel on it

[08:12:50]

EnderTheThird:

Cool. I'd prob want to do that before I go and spend $500 on a 1TB solution, heh.

[08:13:04]

EnderTheThird:

1TB of recordings from the wrong times would suck, haha

[08:13:27]

iamlindoro:

Hehe, true

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EnderTheThird:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130126

[08:15:50]

EnderTheThird:

only 2 PCI sucks, but all HDMI mobo's are micro :-/

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iamlindoro:

Doesn't look half bad, though... and it'll be frontend, could always put the backend in the slow, cheap system, they're great for backend only duty

[08:17:47]

EnderTheThird:

that would be for my FE/BE

[08:18:12]

EnderTheThird:

the slow, cheap system is the one with the time trouble, heh

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iamlindoro:

Right, but clock it properly and it'll probably stop

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EnderTheThird:

well its 2 SATA ports are what screw me now

[08:19:30]

EnderTheThird:

so I'd need to get an add-in card, in which case I might as well replace the mobo and get it running at full power

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EnderTheThird:

it's 100–300 MHz slower than it should be and the BUS is about 100–200 MHz slower too

[08:20:04]

EnderTheThird:

*first it is the CPU, heh

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iamlindoro:

It's almost undoubtedly your problem

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah. I'm thinking I never noticed it before because it was syncing with NTP often enough.

[08:22:47]

EnderTheThird:

Just gotta make sure it has a digital out on the sound.

[08:23:07]

iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: Here's what happens when you go overboard on your myth setup ;) http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/4069937

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EnderTheThird:

It just looks prettier than mine, that's all :)

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iamlindoro:

Bet my screen in bigger too ;)

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EnderTheThird:

I'm at 65"

[08:24:30]

iamlindoro:

er is

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iamlindoro:

106"

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EnderTheThird:

go to hell ;)

[08:24:42]

iamlindoro:

haha

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EnderTheThird:

funny thing is i always talk about how i'm broke, and then i have that monster of a tv, haha

[08:25:06]

iamlindoro:

I wanted to have "the" place to go to watch sports

[08:25:21]

EnderTheThird:

Mine is THE place to go for Halo, heh.

[08:25:22]

iamlindoro:

And there is no beating my place at gametime

[08:25:31]

iamlindoro:

Heh, well mine too ;)

[08:25:50]

EnderTheThird:

Yeah.

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EnderTheThird:

Hmm, can you tell if that mobo has a digital audio out? Cause I'm not seeing one.

[08:26:33]

iamlindoro:

Hold on, looking

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EnderTheThird:

Unless it can do it via the HDMI (and whether Linux supports that)

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iamlindoro:

Well, it's just a little cable between the audio pins on the motherboard and the HDMI

[08:27:30]

iamlindoro:

so doesn't need support under linux, just need S/PDIF out

[08:28:04]

EnderTheThird:

I have an Audigy 2 and I'm using the bay to do it now, lol

[08:28:38]

EnderTheThird:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128072

[08:29:56]

iamlindoro:

Hrm, well there's definitely no coaxial or optincal port... whether it had S/PDIF pins, I dunno

[08:30:27]

iamlindoro:

http://www.superpc.sk/?id=info&idp=0000355365 This says it has SPDIF and the chick is hot

[08:30:37]

iamlindoro:

Weird stomach though

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EnderTheThird:

Oh marketing, how I love thee

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iamlindoro:

I can see the SPDIF pins on that second board

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EnderTheThird:

Has optical, but no Linux support.

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iamlindoro:

Hrm?

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iamlindoro:

Which? Who says no linux support? For what?

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EnderTheThird:

A reviewer said "Tried KnoppMyth and Debian unstable with no luck getting all this board's chipsets (including LAN and video) recognized by the OS (lspci lists mostly "unknown" devices). In due time it will likely be a great option for Linux HTPC users, but not just yet. "

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EnderTheThird:

posted 12/21/07 too, so I'd imagine he was using a newer kernel.

[08:35:28]

iamlindoro:

That guy's a bonehead, there's nothing on there that isn't supported

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EnderTheThird:

Might not matter: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813141007

[08:37:15]

EnderTheThird:

She's gorgeous!

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iamlindoro:

Any of those three should work fine

[08:38:48]

EnderTheThird:

My god RAM is so cheap.

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, bedtime for me, take care

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EnderTheThird:

Thanks for the help. Take it easy.

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Tanthrix:

Leno / O'Brien, and Stewart/Colbert are both going to be returning to the air in early January without writers. That is going to be interesting...

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lwizardl:

Hi

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jhulst:

lwizardl: hi

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lwizardl:

whats the most supported remote for mythtv/linux?

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jhulst:

People seem to like the Harmony remotes, you really can program most any to work

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lwizardl:

well my ati remote refuses to work so I figure I'll just get one that fully works

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jhulst:

lwizardl: What ati remote? How does it refuse

[09:36:41]

lwizardl:

jhulst, came with my 8500DV AIW Radeon. its a USB dongle reciever remote

[09:36:56]

lwizardl:

nothing responds on the box

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lwizardl:

doesn't even move the mouse

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jhulst:

So you're looking for a receiver more than an actual remote

[09:38:20]

lwizardl:

the whole package receiever & remote

[09:39:12]

jhulst:

lwizardl: http://www.lirc.org/ should have everything you need to know

[09:43:32]

jhulst:

lwizardl: Have you spent time trying to get your current remote to work, installed lirc? Done some debugging and what not?

[09:43:48]

mzb:

lwizardl: the "most" supported receiver would have to be one of the homebrew serials ;)

[09:44:15]

lwizardl:

jhulst, yes been trying to get a fully working myth box for about 3 months now

[09:44:30]

jhulst:

Or you could always go with a wireless keyboard, that's how I use mine

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lwizardl:

mzb, i have a serial LIRC with dual sensors

[09:45:27]

mzb:

dual sensors, or dual receivers?

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lwizardl:

mzb, but all that one does is allow my soon to e mythtv box to change channels on 2 external devices

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lwizardl:

*be

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mzb:

sounds like a transmitter to me :) (ie. blaster)

[09:47:31]

lwizardl:

yes ir blaster

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mzb:

ok

[09:47:46]

lwizardl:

paid $13 for it

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mzb:

I'm slowly retiring all my "inbuilt" receivers with homebrews, so that the remotes become user(or location)-centric rather than tuner-centric

[09:49:15]

mzb:

I find serial receivers much nicer to work with (in the fullness of time)

[09:50:08]

lwizardl:

but what I'm trying to do is find a working remote that I can use on my mythtv box (currently ubuntu based) since both my remotes that came with my tuner cards don't have options for them and my ati remote seems to be not supported

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jhulst:

lwizardl: You need a receiver first

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lwizardl:

I want to be able to change the channels, start/stop recordings etc from the remote like any other dvr

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mzb:

as jhulst says, it all comes down to your receiver

[09:53:04]

mzb:

if you have a receiver that's built into a tuner card (or box, etc), then you are most likely restricted to using the remote that matches it

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lwizardl:

well the tuner ones are plug in sensors that plug into the card

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mzb:

a serial receiver, on the other hand, can be built which will be (pretty much) unrestricted and allow you to use (almost) any remote (that matches the frequency of the IR receiver + circuit)

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lwizardl:

like i have a Kworld ATSC 110 card & a TwinHan 103g DVB card

[09:55:00]

mzb:

lwizardl: I'm aware of that ... hence my comments about the receiver options

[09:55:28]

lwizardl:

mzb, i know I was just stating what mine was :)

[09:55:44]

mzb:

with a "card based" receiver it's unlikely that you'll be able to (properly) use a "foreign" remote

[09:56:35]

mzb:

apart from your time, the most expensive part for a homebrew receiver would be the IR receiver module (prob ~<au$5)

[09:57:05]

jhulst:

lwizardl: where di you get a transmitter for $13? :)

[09:57:13]

lwizardl:

and what about US?

[09:57:14]

mzb:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=83

[09:57:19]

lwizardl:

jhulst, ebay :)

[09:57:58]

mzb:

(excuse the bandwidth, 90% through a 140GB transfer;)

[09:58:05]

mzb:

(internal)

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lwizardl:

that your site?

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mzb:

yes, a vm on my xen server

[10:01:28]

mzb:

typical receiver diodes would be:

[10:01:31]

mzb:

http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZD195 . . . SUBCATID=245

[10:02:47]

lwizardl:

jhulst, also here is the guy that was selling them on ebay http://www.irblaster.info/index.html

[10:03:24]

mzb:

can't find one on dse.com.au but I think they used to sell them

[10:03:29]

lwizardl:

jhulst, single lirc for $12

[10:03:39]

mzb:

I'm sure you could find something similar anywhere in the world

[10:03:53]

jhulst:

Unfortunately, no serial port on my box

[10:04:50]

lwizardl:

jhulst, ah so you would need either a USB or USB to Serial Adapter

[10:06:13]

lwizardl:

mzb, i'm sure either radioshack, http://www.mcmelectronics.com/ or www.mouser.com would have all the parts I would need to build it

[10:06:26]

mzb:

most likely

[10:07:05]

lwizardl:

maybe I'll make that my weekend project

[10:07:20]

mzb:

very simple to build ... *can* be slightly harder to configure (not by much;) ... but better result, more portable, and *VERY* sensitive

[10:07:22]

lwizardl:

and the serial port recievers are fully supported

[10:07:28]

mzb:

absolutely

[10:07:44]

mzb:

"default" driver :)

[10:08:00]

lwizardl:

how can i find out what remotes are compatible with this

[10:08:39]

mzb:

anything that is 38Khz should work (ie. 99.9% of remotes)

[10:08:42]

mzb:

mythtv@loungetv:~$ ps ax | grep lirc

[10:08:42]

mzb:

3778 pts/3 D+ 0:00 grep lirc

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mzb:

24846 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/local/sbin/lircd --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc0 --output=/dev/lircd0 --pidfile=/var/run/lircd0.pid --listen=8700 /etc/lirc/lounge-remotes

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mzb:

24849 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/local/sbin/lircd --driver=devinput --device=/dev/input/dvbremote --output=/dev/lircd1 --pidfile=/var/run/lircd1.pid --listen=8701 /etc/lirc/garage-remotes

[10:08:43]

mzb:

24852 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/local/sbin/lircd --driver=udp --output=/dev/lircd --pidfile=/var/run/lircd.pid --connect=localhost 8700 --connect=localhost 8701

[10:09:08]

mzb:

lounge=serial, garage=kworld dvb tuner (external)

[10:09:18]

mzb:

(on the same machine)

[10:09:25]

mzb:

but cloned output

[10:09:47]

mzb:

(loungetv box is mounted under the loungeroom floor;)

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lwizardl:

so does that mean you basically have zones setup using 2 different remotes on the same box?

[10:10:03]

lwizardl:

oh

[10:10:24]

lwizardl:

nice

[10:12:10]

mzb:

kind of

[10:12:45]

mzb:

69cm CRT TV in lounge with serial receiver (uses a number of remotes ... long story)

[10:13:13]

mzb:

and 48" CRT RPTV in garage using remote receiver within the DVB tuner

[10:14:04]

mzb:

no longer "nvidia cloned" unfortunately (another long story) but using a dud VCR to split the signal between the two TV's

[10:14:16]

mzb:

(extra VCR and 48" were both FREE:)))

[10:16:18]

lwizardl:

hehe

[10:16:37]

lwizardl:

"number of remotes ... long story" sounds like my setup

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lwizardl:

I have separate remotes for everything

[10:17:05]

mzb:

until recently, I had spent a total of au$70 for all three tv's (including receivers, machines, etc) out of scrap parts

[10:17:39]

mzb:

however, I've recently bought a PCI tuner (au$50) and a 500GB IDE drive (au$150)

[10:18:00]

mzb:

so my economy has been blown out of the water :(

[10:18:12]

mzb:

(woman is happy ... that's what counts :))

[10:18:50]

lwizardl:

Denon Surround Reciever, RCA 52" HDTV, Xbox360, PS3, HDTV ATSC box, Satellite Box, VCR, ReplayTV, System Selector

[10:19:03]

lwizardl:

all using separate remotes

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lwizardl:

I used to have a Harmony remote to control most of them but never could get the delay fixed on the remote so I returned it

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punkcut:

Can someone clear up for me what is required to both simultaneously watch and record television at the same time, different channels

[10:22:16]

mzb:

two tuners

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punkcut:

Can I just split a main coax input line?

[10:23:39]

punkcut:

And also wouldnt that mean I need two sound cards too?

[10:24:00]

lwizardl:

punkcut, when you split a coax line using a spliter you lose some quality if you wanted to go line1 into the mythtv and line2 to tv then sure that would be easy

[10:24:20]

punkcut:

True but I would like to do this all from within MythTV

[10:24:46]

lwizardl:

then yes you need either a dual tuner card or two separate tuner cards

[10:25:03]

punkcut:

and 2 sound cards too?

[10:25:20]

lwizardl:

I would think you tuner card would handle that by itself

[10:25:50]

lwizardl:

thought output to speakers I would think you could only get one set of sound at a time being displayed

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punkcut:

Yes but does that affect the recording also?

[10:26:22]

punkcut:

For example, Tuner 1 is recording channel 1 and Tuner 2 is playing Channel 2 to the TV

[10:26:22]

lwizardl:

kinda like how when you do picture in picture on tv sets you get audio on the main but only a picture on the smaller one

[10:26:32]

punkcut:

would both have audio?

[10:26:41]

lwizardl:

i would think yes

[10:26:55]

punkcut:

Thanks, one more question

[10:26:56]

lwizardl:

buecause some people record multiple shows at a time

[10:27:07]

lwizardl:

*because

[10:27:08]

punkcut:

Can you recommend a proper dual tuner card?

[10:27:21]

punkcut:

That seems like the smartest way to go.

[10:27:36]

lwizardl:

i was always told the hauppage cards was the best though that could be wrong

[10:27:52]

lwizardl:

i think the pvr-350 is a dual

[10:28:00]

punkcut:

Ah it looks like the pchdtv-5500 can handle up to 4 streams at a time.

[10:28:36]

punkcut:

Thanks for your help lwizardl

[10:28:40]

lwizardl:

np

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MilhousePunkRock:

Hello everyone!

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MilhousePunkRock:

I still need to sort a few things out, before my MythBox can move to the living room: 1) What's the "repeat" setting for lirc that gives continuous keypresses when a key is held down? For the volume buttons, for example

[10:33:00]

lwizardl:

mzb, do you know how to figure out the specs needed to play back codecs like h264, and the various resolutions like 720p, 1080i/p etc

[10:33:36]

mzb:

sorry, I'm .au ... SD mostly ... HD for testing only

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mzb:

(ie. dvb-t here)

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lwizardl:

i see

[10:34:11]

lwizardl:

thanks for you help

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lwizardl:

:)

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MilhousePunkRock:

mzb: So you probably recommended DVB-T to me month ago when I first started investigating for MythTV. Work pretty well here (Germany, that is)

[10:37:04]

mzb:

not sure ... I don't remember nicks+conversations well :)

[10:37:26]

mzb:

works *GREAT* for me btw :)

[10:37:58]

mzb:

although I'd have to say that if you wan't convenience .... don't compress :)) ... just buy a bigger drive :)

[10:38:25]

mzb:

(dvd burning is so simple with mpeg2 recordings:)

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MilhousePunkRock:

mzb: For now, I won't be archiving much anyway. Once those shows we record (currently with an ancient VCR) have been watched, I'll probably just delete them...

[10:40:47]

mzb:

I have 2 females to cater for ;)

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MilhousePunkRock:

And I just looked in the log, you were involved in that initial conversation... ;) [Sa Okt 27 2007] [15:14:53] <mzb_d800> I recently watched a 12 hr show (?) [ Bathurst = car race ] at 95% playback ... most enjoyable :)

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mzb:

:))

[10:41:24]

mzb:

yep

[10:41:37]

mzb:

yet to record that to dvd ... still thinking about it :)

[10:42:02]

mzb:

got the (4) recordings lying around somewhere (I hope)

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MilhousePunkRock:

mzb: I only have one, since the cat does not care much about TV... Since I need to get up early on weekdays, we usually don't watch TV after 10 in the evening, so Prison Break, for example, gets recorded...

[10:42:33]

mzb:

yep, know the feeling

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MilhousePunkRock:

mzb: You don't happen to have an answer to my initial question about lirc, do you?

[10:43:14]

mzb:

but I have a 24yo that likes netball, and a 2.5yo that likes ... *everything* ;)

[10:43:20]

mzb:

err. which question?

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MilhousePunkRock:

What's the "repeat" setting for lirc that gives continuous keypresses when a key is held down? For the volume buttons, for example

[10:45:24]

mzb:

eg:

[10:45:26]

mzb:

repeat = 3

[10:45:28]

mzb:

?

[10:45:38]

mzb:

also depends on the remote

[10:45:53]

mzb:

(ie. assuming it sends out repeat commands ... afaik)

[10:47:21]

MilhousePunkRock:

mzb: The lower the number, the faster the repeat, right?

[10:47:37]

mzb:

I *think* so

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MilhousePunkRock:

mzb: Where does it belong in the key section, if that matters?

[10:51:21]

mzb:

order is not specific

[10:51:41]

mzb:

eg

[10:51:43]

mzb:

begin

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mzb:

prog = mythtv

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mzb:

button = RIGHT

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mzb:

config = Right

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mzb:

delay = 3

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mzb:

repeat = 3

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mzb:

end

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MilhousePunkRock:

what's the "delay" for?

[10:52:46]

mzb:

can't remember :)

[10:53:17]

mzb:

there's also a "remote" keyword, so you can have the same button names, but different remotes

[10:54:06]

mzb:

see: http://www.lirc.org/html/configure.html

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mzb:

re: The .lircrc file format

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mzb:

"delay before applying repeat"

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mzb:

(basically)

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MilhousePunkRock:

mzb: repeat = 3 does nothing so far

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mzb:

reduce the repeat

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MilhousePunkRock:

it's probably model dependent too

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mzb:

also make sure you're getting repeat events

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MilhousePunkRock:

i shall check with irw

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mzb:

(check with irw)

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mzb:

yep

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mzb:

there's also a repeat keyword (of some sort) in lircd.conf

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MilhousePunkRock:

irw only shows the key once if i hold it down

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MilhousePunkRock:

:(

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MilhousePunkRock:

Need to leave now, will be back later...

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justinh:

whee 10p listing day on ebay. time to get the epia on there I think :)

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jarle:

there is not any usenet interface to the mythtv mailing-list anymore? the gmane.comp.tv.mythtv.user seems to be dead?

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Jonny88:

Does anybody have either of the books 'practical mythtv' or 'hacking mythtv' and are either of them worth getting? Or am I better off just using the myth wiki?

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Jonny88:

Does anybody have either of the books 'practical mythtv' or 'hacking mythtv' and are either of them worth getting? Or am I better off just using the myth wiki?

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black_Nightmare_:

anyone here mind help identify a partial card box photo and tell if its possible hauppauge or another maker?

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black_Nightmare_:

or is this entire channel asleep yet? heh

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frahi:

what does lspci say?

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frahi:

you can use it's output to google around a bit

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black_Nightmare_:

problem is its only a classified ad ^_^

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black_Nightmare_:

http://www.usedottawa.com/classified-ad/45831 . . . =pc-desktops << here, does that look likely hauppauge or some different maker?

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black_Nightmare_:

if it really looks like its not hauppauge..hmm not sure if I want bother asking about it much then

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frahi:

why not asking per email? that's 1 minute for you and if he really wants to sell this he will give you the info

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black_Nightmare_:

problem is email was already like almost two days ago so...if its not hauppauge I might just forget about it considering there's other ads anyway

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black_Nightmare_:

oh yeah before I forget...frahi did you have any comment on the soundblaster x-fi's or they're just that, only good for windows gaming?

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MilhousePunkRock:

black_Nightmare_: From the remote I would say it's not an Hauppauge

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black_Nightmare_:

thanks milhouse

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black_Nightmare_:

hm well think I'm going for a while now

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MilhousePunkRock:

Holy moly! I just hooked the halway-finished MythBox to the TV and it does already work! (Except the remote, probably becomes a different device without mouse/keyboard)

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wek_:

I just bought a conrad usb irda dongle to use for my mythtv box. I read on lirc faq that usb Irda is not supported but usb recievers are. can I use my usb irda dongle as a reciever only. thanks in advance

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wek_:

does anyone use a usb ir receiver for their mythfrontend?

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AndyCap:

wek_: afaik irda receivers work on a different frequency from consumer ir. so unless it specifically supports consumer ir you're out of luck

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ffeingol:

I have kind of a wierd issue. I have a nvidia 7300 based card. If I hook it up to my HDTV via a regular video cable everything works fine. If I use component video cables it works while Ubuntu boots etc. but with mythtv starts I loose the video signal. Any throughts?

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AndyCap:

ffeingol: does X work at all over component?

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ffeingol:

Sorry, had to step away. Not sure. How would I test?

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ffeingol:

I setup my xorg.conf based on some googling for my particular HDTV

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justinh:

wek_: thing is, irda is not even remotely compatible with most remote protocols

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clever:

justinh: i hear the 'consumer' irda ports are compatible

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clever:

justinh: but i have no idea how to tell what port you have

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canute:

hello is this the right place to ask questions about tv-tuner card??

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Smoerrebroed:

Hi there! Any MythTV Gurus around here?

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Smoerrebroed:

Canute, what question do you want to ask? Perhaps I can help.

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canute:

i have problem configuring my tv tuner card...

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ffeingol:

yea, I just did some testing and X won't work with the component connection :( I tried running nvidia-settings and I got it "kinda" working but the resolution was way off and the colors were horible

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Smoerrebroed:

What kind of card do you have? And what exactly is the problem?

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canute:

PixelView PlayTV pro 3

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Smoerrebroed:

I don't have much experience with mythTV (yet), but I know already that the kind of hardware you use is the most important part.

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canute:

Congratulations! Your TV card vendor saved a few

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: cents for a eeprom, thus your pci board has no

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: subsystem ID and I can't identify it automatically

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canute:

this is reported when i dmesg

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Smoerrebroed:

Haha, funny message.

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Smoerrebroed:

so you haven't done any manual config yet?

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canute:

yes

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Smoerrebroed:

What then? What module are you trying to use?

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Smoerrebroed:

It should be the cx88 if I'm not mistaken.

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canute:

Conexant Bt878 chipset.

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Smoerrebroed:

Yes, that's the tuner chip. But from what I can see, it's using one of the CX2388x family chips for PCI connectivity.

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Smoerrebroed:

So have you tried using that module?

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canute:

how?

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Smoerrebroed:

Sorry, I don't know the card exactly.

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Smoerrebroed:

But from what I can see, you need to manually specify what card you actually use when you load the module.

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canute:

how to specify?

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canute:

card=1 -> Proteus Pro [philips reference design] 1131:2001 1131:2001

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=2 -> LifeView FlyVIDEO3000 5168:0138 4e42:0138

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=3 -> LifeView/Typhoon FlyVIDEO2000 5168:0138 4e42:0138

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=4 -> EMPRESS 1131:6752

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=5 -> SKNet Monster TV 1131:4e85

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=6 -> Tevion MD 9717

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=7 -> KNC One TV-Station RDS / Typhoon TV Tune 1131:fe01 1894:fe01

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=8 -> Terratec Cinergy 400 TV 153b:1142

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=9 -> Medion 5044

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=10 -> Kworld/KuroutoShikou SAA7130-TVPCI

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=11 -> Terratec Cinergy 600 TV 153b:1143

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=12 -> Medion 7134 16be:0003

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=13 -> Typhoon TV+Radio 90031

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=14 -> ELSA EX-VISION 300TV 1048:226b

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=15 -> ELSA EX-VISION 500TV 1048:226a

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=16 -> ASUS TV-FM 7134 1043:4842 1043:4830 1043:4840

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=17 -> AOPEN VA1000 POWER 1131:7133

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=18 -> BMK MPEX No Tuner

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=19 -> Compro VideoMate TV 185b:c100

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=20 -> Matrox CronosPlus 102b:48d0

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=21 -> 10MOONS PCI TV CAPTURE CARD 1131:2001

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=22 -> AverMedia M156 / Medion 2819 1461:a70b

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=23 -> BMK MPEX Tuner

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=24 -> KNC One TV-Station DVR 1894:a006

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=25 -> ASUS TV-FM 7133 1043:4843

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=26 -> Pinnacle PCTV Stereo (saa7134) 11bd:002b

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opello:

and then he found out about pastebins

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=27 -> Manli MuchTV M-TV002/Behold TV 403 FM

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=28 -> Manli MuchTV M-TV001/Behold TV 401

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=29 -> Nagase Sangyo TransGear 3000TV 1461:050c

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=30 -> Elitegroup ECS TVP3XP FM1216 Tuner Card( 1019:4cb4

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=31 -> Elitegroup ECS TVP3XP FM1236 Tuner Card 1019:4cb5

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=32 -> AVACS SmartTV

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=33 -> AVerMedia DVD EZMaker 1461:10ff

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=34 -> Noval Prime TV 7133

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=35 -> AverMedia AverTV Studio 305 1461:2115

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=36 -> UPMOST PURPLE TV 12ab:0800

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=37 -> Items MuchTV Plus / IT-005

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=38 -> Terratec Cinergy 200 TV 153b:1152

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=39 -> LifeView FlyTV Platinum Mini 5168:0212 4e42:0212

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=40 -> Compro VideoMate TV PVR/FM 185b:c100

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=41 -> Compro VideoMate TV Gold+ 185b:c100

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=42 -> Sabrent SBT-TVFM (saa7130)

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=43 -> :Zolid Xpert TV7134

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=44 -> Empire PCI TV-Radio LE

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=45 -> Avermedia AVerTV Studio 307 1461:9715

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=46 -> AVerMedia Cardbus TV/Radio (E500) 1461:d6ee

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=47 -> Terratec Cinergy 400 mobile 153b:1162

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=48 -> Terratec Cinergy 600 TV MK3 153b:1158

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=49 -> Compro VideoMate Gold+ Pal 185b:c200

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=50 -> Pinnacle PCTV 300i DVB-T + PAL 11bd:002d

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=51 -> ProVideo PV952 1540:9524

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=52 -> AverMedia AverTV/305 1461:2108

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=53 -> ASUS TV-FM 7135 1043:4845

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=54 -> LifeView FlyTV Platinum FM / Gold 5168:0214 5168:5214 1489:0214 5168:0304

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=55 -> LifeView FlyDVB-T DUO / MSI TV@nywhere D 5168:0306 4e42:0306

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Smoerrebroed:

That's the info you want to use. So you do a modprobe saa7134 card=x

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jams:

canute- use pastebin

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=56 -> Avermedia AVerTV 307 1461:a70a

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=57 -> Avermedia AVerTV GO 007 FM 1461:f31f

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=58 -> ADS Tech Instant TV (saa7135) 1421:0350 1421:0351 1421:0370 1421:1370

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=59 -> Kworld/Tevion V-Stream Xpert TV PVR7134

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=60 -> LifeView/Typhoon/Genius FlyDVB-T Duo Car 5168:0502 4e42:0502 1489:0502

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=61 -> Philips TOUGH DVB-T reference design 1131:2004

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=62 -> Compro VideoMate TV Gold+II

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=63 -> Kworld Xpert TV PVR7134

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=64 -> FlyTV mini Asus Digimatrix 1043:0210

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=65 -> V-Stream Studio TV Terminator

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jams:

canute- use pastebin!

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=66 -> Yuan TUN-900 (saa7135)

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=67 -> Beholder BeholdTV 409 FM 0000:4091

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=68 -> GoTView 7135 PCI 5456:7135

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=69 -> Philips EUROPA V3 reference design 1131:2004

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=70 -> Compro Videomate DVB-T300 185b:c900

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=71 -> Compro Videomate DVB-T200 185b:c901

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=72 -> RTD Embedded Technologies VFG7350 1435:7350

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=73 -> RTD Embedded Technologies VFG7330 1435:7330

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=74 -> LifeView FlyTV Platinum Mini2 14c0:1212

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=75 -> AVerMedia AVerTVHD MCE A180 1461:1044

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=76 -> SKNet MonsterTV Mobile 1131:4ee9

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=77 -> Pinnacle PCTV 40i/50i/110i (saa7133) 11bd:002e

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=78 -> ASUSTeK P7131 Dual 1043:4862 1043:4857

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=79 -> Sedna/MuchTV PC TV Cardbus TV/Radio (ITO

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=80 -> ASUS Digimatrix TV 1043:0210

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=81 -> Philips Tiger reference design 1131:2018

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opello:

jams: i imagine it's all buffered on the sending end

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o jams

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=82 -> MSI TV@Anywhere plus 1462:6231

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=83 -> Terratec Cinergy 250 PCI TV 153b:1160

[16:33:25]

canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=84 -> LifeView FlyDVB Trio 5168:0319

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=85 -> AverTV DVB-T 777 1461:2c05 1461:2c05

[16:33:29]

canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=86 -> LifeView FlyDVB-T / Genius VideoWonder D 5168:0301 1489:0301

[16:33:31]

canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=87 -> ADS Instant TV Duo Cardbus PTV331 0331:1421

[16:33:35]

canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=88 -> Tevion/KWorld DVB-T 220RF 17de:7201

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=89 -> ELSA EX-VISION 700TV 1048:226c

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=90 -> Kworld ATSC110/115 17de:7350 17de:7352

[16:33:41]

canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=91 -> AVerMedia A169 B 1461:7360

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=92 -> AVerMedia A169 B1 1461:6360

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canute:

[ 12.152000] saa7134: card=93 -> Medion 7134 Bridge #2 16be:0005

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opello:

huzzah

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o jams

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Smoerrebroed:

I suppose it was...

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jams:

it was just slow enough that it didn't trigger a flood kick

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Smoerrebroed:

Yep. About 1 line / second.

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canute:

pastebin

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Smoerrebroed:

Don't worry, we know what you wanted to tell us.

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Smoerrebroed:

Look here: http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb?cmd=file;file=l . . . -1;style=raw

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canute:

i dont know which one to select.

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Smoerrebroed:

This is the list of supported devices for the cx88

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canute:

i will give u some information from the manufactures website...

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canute:

# Conexant Bt878 chipset.

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canute:

# Single-Chip video capture/TV tuner/FM radio multimedia adapter.

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canute:

# Fully PCI Rev 2.1 compliant and zero wait state PCI burst write.

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canute:

# PCI bus master interface.

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canute:

# Supports NTSC/PAL/SECAM video input.

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canute:

# Composite / S-Video input and audio input.

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canute:

# Supports planner YUV data format.

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canute:

# Sopports Windows 95/98.

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canute:

# Multiple composite, S-Video and 8 pin mini-Din connector for Philip desktop video camera.

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canute:

# Full TV frequency range for CATV/VHF/UHF.

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opello:

geez

[16:39:56]

canute:

# Multiple YCrCb and RGB pixel formats supported on output.

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canute:

# Video capture rate maximum 30 frames/ second.

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o jams

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canute:

# VBI (Vertical Blanking Interval) data capture for closed caption, Teletext and intercast data decoding.

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canute:

# Supports WST (World Standard Teletext) decoding.

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canute:

# Video conferencing ready.

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jams:

fool

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Smoerrebroed:

Hmmh, yes, one would suppose that you don't make a mistake twice in such a short time...

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canute:

i am a newbie....

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jams:

canute for anything more then 2 lines use pastebin.ca

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jams:

http://pastebin.ca

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canute:

thanks!!!sorry for the trouble.

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Smoerrebroed:

So anyway, if your card does use the bt878 chipset, try the following:

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jams:

paste your stuff there, then give us the url.

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canute:

???

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Smoerrebroed:

modprobe bttv card=16

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Smoerrebroed:

Click http://pastebin.ca/ and see what happens...

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Smoerrebroed:

Cause that should be the correct driver for your card. The problem could be that this subtype (variant) is not supported by the driver in which case you might also want to try card=x with 0 <= x <= 149

[16:49:04]

canute:

how to ensure that card is the right one??

[16:49:19]

canute:

i did what u said..

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Smoerrebroed:

Did anything happen?

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Smoerrebroed:

Well, the name you gave me does not seem to be very common across the web. I just found this page here: http://www.burghardt.pl/2007/11/pixelview-pla . . . pv-bt878p9x/

[16:50:39]

Smoerrebroed:

So if the first attempt didn't help, try

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Smoerrebroed:

modprobe bttv card=70 tuner=38 radio=1 gpiomask=0x3F audiomux=33,32,35,35,40

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justinh:

gah! framegrabbers. more hassle than they're worth!

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Smoerrebroed:

and then see what dmesg spits out.

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DustyBin:

justinh: does your tv at home upscale freeview television?2D

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justinh:

nope

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DustyBin:

why not

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wek_:

what available ir receivers exist on the market. serial or usb

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canute:

still the same err message in dmesg.

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justinh:

my TV is, and will be for the considerable future, a CRT

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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DustyBin:

justinh: when will you buy a LCD / Plasma?

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justinh:

when they're good enough

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DustyBin:

ok

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Smoerrebroed:

Also with the last line I gave you?

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justinh:

or when my current set breaks

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justinh:

whatever happens 1st

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DustyBin:

justinh: i found a good review website what has lots of PDF reviews of tvs. http://www.homecinemachoice.com

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justinh:

:-\

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DustyBin:

i even found a multimedia vista mediacentre box..

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justinh:

my inlaws got a sony 37" thing for xmas. it's not bad. not great either but not as bad as I thought it'd be

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DustyBin:

made by philips

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canute:

Smoerrebroed i will try the link u have given me...

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justinh:

it has two picture modes. nice contrast with oversaturated colours and awful contrast & washed out colours

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DustyBin:

Philips EasyLife LX2000 <-- nice bit of hardware, shame about the pre-installed software..

[16:57:01]

DustyBin:

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/store_doc/GE/editori . . . age-shot.jpg

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Smoerrebroed:

Good luck! I need to leave now. At any rate, it looks like your card is not a straight "PnP" piece of hardware...

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justinh:

ugh horrible

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justinh:

Where in the world... pissy werlde :P

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justinh:

no mention of how quiet it is anywhere either

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DustyBin:

justinh: if you was forced between brands, what would you choose out of: toshiba, samsung, philips, panasonic, sanyo ?

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justinh:

dismiss sanyo out of hand

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DustyBin:

lol

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justinh:

as for the rest I'd have to see them in person

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justinh:

with my own test content

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DustyBin:

ill leave sanyo with sony and dawoo

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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justinh:

I'm really very concerned about buying a lemon

[17:02:20]

DustyBin:

me too thats why im researching

[17:02:21]

justinh:

don't want to part with the best part of a grand for something that turns out to be a disappointment

[17:02:28]

DustyBin:

yep exactly

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justinh:

there are too many reviews

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justinh:

best way will be to audition them in person

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DustyBin:

i think so

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justinh:

then buy from John Lewis :)

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DustyBin:

aye yes

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justinh:

5 year warranty as standard, and generally cheaper than Currys etc

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justinh:

the fact their staff have a clue counts for a lot too

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DustyBin:

john lewis have a nice electrical section, i buy most of my stuff there

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** DustyBin imagines justinh in john lewis with a mythtv box testing out the screens **

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DustyBin:

one could install mythtv on a laptop with dvi output and just plug in

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DustyBin:

and damage the screens with bad modelines..

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DustyBin:

:-S

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anykey_:

Any news about dvb-s2 with myth?

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Toxicity999:

Anyone by chance have a cheap quiet case they're looking to unload for cheap which can fit an ATX board?

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Toxicity999:

any remotely good cases are crazy priced new.

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phalanxjc:

hi, everyone. Can anyone recommend a good HD tuner card?

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squish102:

is there a script that deletes all video files that are not in mysql?

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jams:

squish102- i thing the find_orphan script will do that

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Freman:

I have the best remote for my mythtv

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Freman:

hehe

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Freman:

vnc

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Toxicity999:

Jeez, LinuxMCE is really starting to sell me.

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jams:

must be cheap

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Toxicity999:

those 100 dollar gyro remotes are pretty slick too.

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Freman:

I have a good ir remote

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Freman:

but it doesn't work when the projection screen is down

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Freman:

as the screen covers the recever

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squish102:

jams thanks.. i dont seem to have it... looking elsewhere now

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jams:

it's in the contrib folder

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Kazan:

anyone tell me if the "Realtek ALC888" is absolute garbage, or just average onboard sound and of acceptable quality to use

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Kazan:

looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130119 as a new mobo – but it's only got 3 PCI slots and i have four in use in my current machine (PVR-150, PVR-500, ATSC 110, SB Live)

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squish102:

jams, i dont think mythbuntu installed it :(

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iamlindoro:

squish102: It's in the source, get it from SVN

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jams:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . d_orphans.pl

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squish102:

thanks

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alexvd:

Running into issues with digital audio out using a mythbuntu 7.10 and a envy1724 based soundcard. Changed the setting into general>audio to /dev/adsp. I unmuted in alsammixer the iec958 output and enabled 0 and 1. I tried to test with aplay but I get no audio out when I try to play a same .wav file. The analog audio works fine.

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Kazan:

sry can't help you, only used analog out

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alexvd:

Kazan: thanks

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Saviq:

alexvd: I've been successful using this guide: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound

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alexvd:

Saviq: yes have seen that and been to the alsa wiki

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Saviq:

if you use the asound file customized to your needs, setting alsa:digital should help you

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alexvd:

Saviq: I thought we didnt need to use an asound file anymore

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Saviq:

well it's the thing that got me going

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alexvd:

Saviq: what soundcard do you use?

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Saviq:

the first thing to try is to get it working with mplayer, for example

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Saviq:

I use a SB Live! but that shouldn't really matter

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alexvd:

Saviq: yes I read that first before I tried that I wanted to see if I could get aplay to work based on the hardware assignment ie 0,0 or 0,1

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alexvd:

Saviq: actually it does it uses a different chipset and asound file

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Saviq:

you've misunderstood

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Saviq:

I don't mean the asound file that gets your sound card working

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Saviq:

I mean the file that's there in the wiki

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alexvd:

Saviq: question in alsamixer the IEC958 Output I unmuted but it still only stays at 00 audio level I cannot raise or lower that.

[19:02:34]

Saviq:

it creates devices called 'digital', 'analog' etc. so that you don't have to remember what's your hw settings

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alexvd:

Saviq: ahhhh

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Saviq:

that's normal

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Saviq:

but still – you need to put the proper device names there

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alexvd:

Saviq: well I am 99% sure its 0,1 because I only have two devices and the first 0,0 is analog and it works fine. /dev/dsp vs /dev/adsp

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Saviq:

you shouldn't use /dev/dsp nor /dev/adsp

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Saviq:

they're oss, not alsa

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Saviq:

the adsp thing is a wrapper

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Saviq:

myth does recognize things like 'alsa:digital' in it's config

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alexvd:

Saviq: ok reading through the document again

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Saviq:

does your amplifier report that it sees the digital audio at all?

[19:07:52]

Saviq:

if not – you need to work with the mixer settings until it does – without that nothing will get through

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alexvd:

well when I pull the toslink cable I see the red light. I have to manually select the digital audio out to enable it. Its hard for me to tell unless something is playing

[19:10:10]

alexvd:

Saviq: So I will need to route all audio analog and digital through the toslink

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Saviq:

yes, you should be able to set 'alsa:digital' in both mythtv's audio fields

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Saviq:

and all the sound should properly go through

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Saviq:

AC3, DTS and stereo too

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Saviq:

and the red light does not mean that there's a signal, unfortunately

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alexvd:

Saviq so I will need to define that by creating a asoundrc file

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Saviq:

yes the 'alsa:digital' out is, let's call it, 'virtual'

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Saviq:

but don't play with asound until you get mplayer workig

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mcukstorm:

Hi im trying to setup mythtv i have everything working except for the recording of audio from the video capture device, in mythtv-setup the audio device on the capture device is marked as (None) and there are no other options there, manually changing this doesnt help as it doesnt save it. The system is setup to use ALSA though i have read that you can only record with oss in mythtv so both the backend and frontend (and setup program)

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mcukstorm:

using aoss. Has anyone got any advice, please?

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alexvd:

Saviq: so I started off with the default of Alsa:cards.pcm.iec958 in audio output device and it already had the digital device in thier but sadly it didnt work. Ok back to baby steps an getting mplayer to work. I somehow think you are right about the mixer setting and my receiver not working. As a note this worked fine with DirecTV HDTV reciever outputting DD and anlog over the same toslink

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Der_Thomas:

wondering if anyone is around that can help me troubleshoot a problem with playing DVDs?

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Der_Thomas:

I ripped a DVD into an ISO image. On my FE/BE combo it plays fine – on my remote FE it plays all scrambled with green blotches in the video

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Saviq:

alexvd: you sure that your amp does not report when it has a pcm signal present?

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Der_Thomas:

The folder it is in is local to the FE/BE, but mounted via samba for the stnad alone FE

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Saviq:

Der_Thomas: do you have libdvdcss installed on the FE?

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Saviq:

the green screen usually means that the VOB's don't get descrambled

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Der_Thomas:

yeah and I checked that both machines have the same version too

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Saviq:

are you able to play other dvds on the FE?

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Der_Thomas:

yeah I have played pulp fiction on the FE

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Der_Thomas:

it looks like the iso is being played by the internal player – is there a log file for this? I tried starting mythfrontenf -v from the command line but there is no output about the playing of the iso

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Saviq:

yes all dvd playback is done by the internal player

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Der_Thomas:

Saviq is that able to be changed?

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Saviq:

yes, of course – go to mythvideo settings and set a player for .iso files

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Saviq:

but I'm not sure if any other player can directly play isos

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Der_Thomas:

ahh right

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Hoxzer:

xine can :\

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Der_Thomas:

Hoxzer – really? special command line stuff or just xine mymovie.iso?

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Hoxzer:

wiki should have information about that

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Der_Thomas:

good call

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ffeingol:

Anyone have a good pointer on getting a nvidia 7300 base video working with 1080P and svideo? The card has a regular video out and that is working fine with the HDTV but when I force it over to svideo (svideo to component video converter that came with the card) colors are all messed up etc.

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jhulst:

ffeingol: If colors are messed up, are you sure you have the cables connected correctly? Maybe they are mislabeled?

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ffeingol:

yea, I checked and double checked. The are color coded on the HDTV side and I matched the codes on the other end.

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Tanthrix:

ffeingol: S-video is capable of 480i max.

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Tanthrix:

ffeingol: Oh, you mean the break out box. That's not an s-video to component convertor. It's a special jack.

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ffeingol:

ok. I'll double check but I don't believe it's "true" svideo. It's just an svideo "like" plug to break it out

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ffeingol:

yea

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ffeingol:

just trying to get the component working before popping for the more expensive DVI --> HDMI cable

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Der_Thomas:

that is true with my old skool nvidia card. It is not straight svideo off the card

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ffeingol:

it's just a pain :) Been "fighting" with it for days

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jimbalaya:

if there's anyone knowledgeable in the use of mysql, this one's for you – I'm looking to modify *every* "coverfile" entry in the 'videometadata' Table in the mythconverg database ... currently they're all set to '/home/mythtv/...' and I'd like to change them to '/var/lib/mythtv/...'

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Saviq:

jimbalaya: come to priv

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Der_Thomas:

Saviq So I set up to play with Xine and it works w/o the green scramble. Any ideas why the internal player doesn't descramble correctly on my FE?

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Saviq:

nope, sorry

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imperfect-:

Anywayt o get mythtv to play flash from a URL yet?

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imperfect-:

Anyone around?

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Der_Thomas:

I haven't heard anything about getting flash to play

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Der_Thomas:

you can just use firefox instead of mythbrowser but then you have to play with key bindings etc

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imperfect-:

yeah

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i3ooi3oo:

How does the data for the music_song get input I know much of it comes from the ID3 tags but some informatation is not in the database

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imperfect-:

Anyoneknow if using the Internal player

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imperfect-:

if it automatically sizes it to the size of the mythtv window?

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iamlindoro:

Internal at full screen will always play at the X resolution... in the window it *should* play at the size of the window

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iamlindoro:

and re: playing flash movies from a URL, use mythstream, an unofficial plugin for that sort of thing

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imperfect-:

in the window mode?

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imperfect-:

No seperate issue

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imperfect-:

just trying to figure out

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imperfect-:

If I dont have a window manager installed

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imperfect-:

can I put it in windowed mode?

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iamlindoro:

Dunno, doubtful

[20:19:39]

Tanthrix:

ffeingol: Does your TV have DVI/HDMI in? If it's a 1080p native set, that's the better way to go than component usually.

[20:19:57]

Tanthrix:

ffeingol: Often it just works automagically out of the box.

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iamlindoro:

agreed... shame to waste a nie 1080p panel on S-video :)

[20:20:41]

iamlindoro:

er nice

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imperfect-:

balh

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imperfect-:

everything just looks lame as shit on this tv

[20:21:17]

imperfect-:

It's 1080i

[20:21:23]

imperfect-:

but the overscan is atrocious

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imperfect-:

-geometry 1650x975+138+4

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imperfect-:

Is about the edges

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imperfect-:

hrm

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imperfect-:

it appears to be working

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imperfect-:

it just looks like shyt

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aarcane:

hello, can someone help me with an issue regarding "broken" dvd rips using transcode and mtd from a stock mythfrontend ?

[20:33:05]

aarcane:

mtd and transcode report success, and the files MOVIENAME.avi (excellent quality) are placed in the movies folder

[20:33:23]

aarcane:

but when I play them, they're always broken.

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aarcane:

they usually play fgor 5–10 minutes, then give me some error. AC3 checksum failed, stop playback and return to the beginning, etc...

[20:34:14]

aarcane:

other general failures, but nothing consistent.

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iamlindoro:

aarcane:

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iamlindoro:

Have you tried a straight ISO rip to see if that works?

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iamlindoro:

At least then you can narrow the problem to ripping vs. Transcoding

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aarcane:

:-S

[20:41:15]

aarcane:

I'll try it and see if it helps

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aarcane:

I'm starting an ISO rip now. it says 30 minutes, approximately.

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benben:

hey, anyone able to offer some help with overscanning?

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benben:

basically...

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benben:

i've got a HD LCD tv connected to my pc via hdmi, it overscans like a bitch but dvds actually look ok

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justinh:

basically all tvs overscan & it's not optimal to make your desktop fit the screen completely, even if it's possible

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benben:

ok cool

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benben:

films look 'ok', its just the menus, like when i configure stuff in mythtv

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justinh:

modern sets shouldn't overscan by more than 10% on each edge, I would imagine

[20:45:23]

justinh:

the setup menus don't (yet) obey safe area rules

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benben:

ahhh ok

[20:45:33]

justinh:

I plan to look at that at some point

[20:45:42]

benben:

awesome stuff

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justinh:

if nobody beats me to it (hey feel free I won't mind)

[20:46:28]

benben:

i'd love to, wouldn't know where to start tho =)

[20:46:31]

aarcane:

so.. what window manager do you all use underneath mythtv ? I'm using ratpoison, but it seems less than optimal.. what do you people use ?

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justinh:

can't remember. whatever mythbuntu uses

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iamlindoro:

Probably the vast majority use gdm, but good lightweight choices ar xfce and openbox

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** benben uses gnome (who cares, i'm never going to see it :p) **

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Daviey:

justinh: XFCE

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justinh:

benben: slow to start up though, compared to others

[20:48:22]

** justinh enjoys his frontend booting in less than 50 secs :) **

[20:48:28]

benben:

lol

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justinh:

over a network

[20:48:37]

benben:

ah, thin client?

[20:48:41]

justinh:

no

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justinh:

nfsroot

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benben:

:)

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** Daviey enjoys not rebooting (afriad it won't come back up) :) **

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Saviq:

lol

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benben:

yeah, i don't plan to reboot

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justinh:

speaking of crap hardware (thin client) I need to slop my epia on ebay shortly

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benben:

i'm really liking mythtv so far tho, going to make the xbox a frontend for downstairs

[20:49:39]

Daviey:

talking of crap hardware, ATI

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justinh:

er.. I meant to say "speaking of awesome hardware, I need to put my awesome old frontend motherboard on ebay so some other lucky guy can bathe in its awesomeness"

[20:50:04]

Daviey:

Their latest drivers are the least sucky one syet tho

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aarcane:

bleh, crap hardware you say?

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** benben wonders if anyone uses hdmi out **

[20:50:49]

aarcane:

my old motherboard died, and I had to replace it. the new POS I use now skips when trying to access the PCI video card and PCI audio card I've installed at the same time, IE durring audio playback

[20:50:55]

justinh:

not a single decent epia has ever been made

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aarcane:

*movie playback

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iamlindoro:

Gah, son of a bitch Sony... Why would you change the fucking format for *subtitles* for Blu-ray?? It's just text goddamnit

[20:51:26]

justinh:

actually I'm still finding odd problems on some recordings even on the new frontend

[20:51:52]

** iamlindoro goes looking for something to OCR blu-ray subtitles into proper SRTs... **

[20:51:56]

justinh:

at the end of some shows on channel 4, there are some strange audio buffer underruns going on

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** benben goes to trawl the net to find out why audio doesn't work over hdmi **

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aarcane:

bleh, you guys know what's missing from mythtv ? an option to disable "mythtv" and only use the other plugins like mythvideo, mythgame, mythdvd, etc.. I'm not rich like you guys, I can't afford a TV tuner card.. and the best I can hope to do is disable the TV entries in my menus... :-S

[20:54:03]

iamlindoro:

So edit it out of the theme

[20:54:52]

** justinh throws a tarball of XBMC's linux port at aarcane **

[20:55:25]

iamlindoro:

When we're all using LinuxMCE and our gyro remotes and it detects what kind of media center I want while fellating me and fluffing my pillow, maybe.... but until then it's Myth*tv*...

[20:55:33]

** iamlindoro wakes up... **

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aarcane:

yeah, it still throws unable-to-connect errors at odd times complaining about no backend (which is ONLY used for TV recording!) unless I run a backend to record TV from a tuner card I don't own, which wastes CPU cycles... it just seems odd that you can disable everythung EXCEPT television...

[20:55:43]

iamlindoro:

Heh, I must be dreaming because I'll die before I use LinuxMCE

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justinh:

when you're all using LinuxMCE, I hope to hell I'm dead & buried

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iamlindoro:

justinh: See above ;)

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justinh:

aarcane: it's called myth TV for a reason. Something to do with television or something

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justinh:

not 'myth meeja player'

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justinh:

not 'meeja center' (sic)

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aarcane:

and ftr, I'm not complaining. I'm happy with it how it is. my system can handle running the backend, so I got rid of those errors,a nd I'll disable the television menus soon.. :)

[20:57:12]

iamlindoro:

And the backend is hardly there just for TV

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justinh:

just remove the 1st button entry in mainmenu.xml

[20:57:28]

justinh:

or better yet,

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aarcane:

justinh, or better yet what?

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justinh:

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aarcane:

how did you make that empty line, justinh ?

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justinh:

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jams:

heh

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aarcane:

:P

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aarcane:

rip to iso just finished. 16 minutes. I'll brb, testing it.

[20:59:05]

justinh:

gah my plugin can just whistle. not doing any more on it today. me gone fuzzy again

[20:59:36]

jams:

"just whistle" ?

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** justinh laughs at the '3 feature requests' thread **

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justinh:

jams: it can go to hell

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jams:

Theres a thread for that one? i read the first email and thought nothing of it.

[21:00:37]

Kazan:

justinh: 3 feature requests thread?

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justinh:

oops. I said 'thread'

[21:00:46]

justinh:

single posting lol

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jams:

hehe

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Kazan:

link?

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justinh:

3 feature requests without patches. yeah I know, I'm like a cancer, evil etc etc etc etc

[21:01:54]

Kazan:

no everyone can write patches and sometimes good feature requests come in from the technically inept, or from those without the time to spend on writing it themselves

[21:02:04]

aarcane:

hrrm

[21:02:04]

Kazan:

not*

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jams:

i should rephrase, i only read about halfway through it and gave up.

[21:02:36]

aarcane:

the ISO rip is broken worse than the perfect or excellent rips are. it barely gets through the opening credits and restarts the stream showing only black...

[21:02:51]

justinh:

Kazan: I've yet to see any feature request I'd consider to be a good idea but you have a point. One day there might very well be one

[21:04:07]

aarcane:

I have one that I just don't have the know-how to implement..

[21:04:19]

justinh:

put it in the wiki with the rest :)

[21:04:25]

aarcane:

heh

[21:04:29]

justinh:

if you can be bothered to edit the wiki, that is

[21:04:30]

iamlindoro:

aarcane: Then you're problem is probably not myth related... look into your libdvdread and any... *other* libs you might need to run DVDs

[21:04:32]

jams:

aarcane- so what is it?

[21:04:57]

aarcane:

jams, an mpd frontend that integrates with mythtv as a plugin.

[21:05:06]

justinh:

aarcane: why?

[21:05:13]

justinh:

now we've got the miniplayer :)

[21:05:18]

GreyFoxx:

mpd?

[21:05:19]

Kazan:

the wiki feature request list: aka the "not ever going to get read" list

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justinh:

Kazan: it's better than /dev/null though

[21:05:35]

nwidger:

hello, what file does mythtv look in for lirc bindings?

[21:05:43]

GreyFoxx:

Kazan: Not true, some of us look at it from time to time

[21:05:44]

Kazan:

atleast /dev/null is honest

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justinh:

nwidger: ~/.mythtv/lircrc like the docs say

[21:06:00]

nwidger:

justinh: cool, thanks

[21:06:09]

nwidger:

and after editing that, do i just need to restart mythfrontend?

[21:06:15]

justinh:

nwidger: yep

[21:06:15]

jams:

GreyFoxx- music player daemon

[21:06:19]

GreyFoxx:

jams: ahhh

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justinh:

aarcane: mythmusic can play music in the background now ya know

[21:06:38]

justinh:

in trunk

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jams:

it can be controlled over the network..very simliar to mfe/mfd

[21:06:49]

jams:

without the gui aspect of it

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aarcane:

justinh, I use mpd so I can have network wide music integration, something that mythmusic doesn't offer. mpd has as many user interfaces as there are ways to interface with a PC. it's simply the best choice for music when you've got multiple listeners and one playing PC.

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GreyFoxx:

speaking of the wishlist, I should check that and see if any of my upnp changes are going to moot any of those

[21:08:58]

justinh:

aarcane: hmmm. writing a plugin isn't as hard as it sounds. I'm not saying it's easy but it's within reach of mortals

[21:09:36]

jams:

hey GreyFoxx if I gave you a patch to add mythsmolt to the menu would you consider committing it?

[21:10:44]

aarcane:

anyway, on the topic of my DVD issue.. it's especially odd, because these DVDs play back from the DVD drive just fine using mplayer.

[21:10:57]

GreyFoxx:

jams: pop it into trac and assign it to me

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GreyFoxx:

I'm just going over my upnp/xbox360 patches now to start commiting them

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justinh:

hmm my xml parser isn't complaining bout missing containers. it should be

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jams:

works for me..now to create the patch and wait on isaac decision on a mythtv.org url

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aarcane:

so if the dvds play fine, why wouldn't they rip fine?

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Anduin:

aarcane: The data walk isn't the same

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justinh:

DOH that's why the xml parser isn't complaining about missing containers. it's not told to. pfft

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media:

I'm having problems getting program guide data to show up. I have a pchdtv 5500 card and did the channel scan and the channels show up. I've paid for schedules direct and have selected the HD channels I want but when I run mythfilldatabase I don't get any guide data. What could I be missing?

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media:

This was working before I reinstalled the box with a newer svn version of myth.

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wek_:

justinh: I checked about the irda, on the back of the packet it says something about ir remote controls (the irda dongle). It is a sigmatel dewvice and linux recognizes it: stir4200. which lirc driver to use?

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jams:

GreyFoxx #4393, didn't see where to assign it to you.

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GreyFoxx:

got it

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jams:

thx

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GreyFoxx:

I need to come up with a better way to trac multiple patches in my tree before I commit them

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cpare_:

hello

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cpare_:

anyone able to offer a noob some assistance

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iamlindoro:

Nope, you have to have all the answers already when you come to the user support channel ;)

[21:33:23]

cpare_:

bummer :)

[21:34:16]

iamlindoro:

anyway, best to just ask your question and hope for the best

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cpare_:

I have been trying to get Myth running today, on my 1.8ghz machine thats sporting Ubuntu and a Hauppage WinTV card

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iamlindoro:

Which WinTV card

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cpare_:

it seems to find the card just fine, but it doesn't seem to find anything when it scans for channels

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cpare_:

WinTV-Go

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cpare_:

:(

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cpare_:

I setup an account on schedules direct, but that didn't seem to help

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iamlindoro:

So you set it up as card type v4l? Are you scanning from cable, or OTA?

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media:

Is it normal for mythfilldatabase to report "Did not find any new program data" if there isn't any yet?

[21:37:06]

iamlindoro:

Erm, I assume the Wintv-go has no mpeg-2 encoder

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cpare_:

scanning for cable

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** justinh wonders if there's any word on uk_rt tv guide data past 12am Jan 1st coming up... **

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cpare_:

The MPG2 Encoder is the one I selecte

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iamlindoro:

OK, did you set the correct frequency table and modulation?

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cafuego:

media: mine seems to say it whenever it runs, data or no

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cpare_:

and it seemed to find the card at /dev/video0

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iamlindoro:

IE, if you are in the us, should be us-cable and QAM-256 in most cases

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justinh:

cpare_: it's not mpeg2

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justinh:

cpare_: v4l is the one you want for 'wintv-go'

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cpare_:

Frequency table and modulation – you got me on that one :)

[21:38:52]

cpare_:

I expected the defualt to work

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cpare_:

noob

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iamlindoro:

cpare_: yeah, has to be the correct cad first... then, when you try to scan channels, set to us-cable and QAM-256 and you should work properly

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iamlindoro:

er card

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justinh:

I expected myhttv to fully read my mind & not have to set anything up. you can imagine my disappointment

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iamlindoro:

listen to justinh though, it's not mpeg-2 encoder type, it's v4l

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cpare_:

thanks – I will try the other option on the installer

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cpare_:

and see where that gets me

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cpare_:

I will be back in 15 to let you know what I find

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iamlindoro:

ok

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cpare_:

thanks again

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iamlindoro:

I'll be breathless with anticipation ;)

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cpare_:

I love IRC

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cpare_:

:)

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justinh:

shoulda left it on the default setting :P

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iamlindoro:

Well, the default setting he should have left he changed, and the default setting he should have changed h left :)

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iamlindoro:

Then of course we'll hear about his audio won't sync up, the phrase "PVR-150" will be bandied about, he'll say he's using a virtual machine on his brother's box to try out mythtv, ultimately he'll install SVN over packaged versions, everything will segfault, we'll hear how MythTV sucks, and he'll be using MCE this time next year ;)

[21:44:44]

cpare_:

so – it's bad that I am running this in a VM on my Vista Ultimate machine? :)

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iamlindoro:

hahaha

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cafuego:

yeah, you should run vista in a vm on openbsd

[21:45:05]

cpare_:

I am way too cheep for that

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cpare_:

I am gonna have a hard time shelling out the $20 for the chanel guide

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iamlindoro:

Now you're cooking with gas... we get a lot of that here

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cafuego:

Are there not free ones for your area?

[21:46:40]

iamlindoro:

One prime example has been coming in with obscure questions about how to run myth on computers older than an abacus... with no actual myth box build in sight

[21:46:45]

cpare_:

I didn't know there was an option for a free one

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iamlindoro:

for months

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cpare_:

I just went with what the MYTHYV site suggested

[21:47:09]

iamlindoro:

If you're in the US, SD is the best option

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cpare_:

Yeah

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GreyFoxx:

cpare_: There are some out there. But theyare more a gamble than anything. Might work, mgiht not

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iamlindoro:

Good quality guide, not to mention it's run by mythtv developers

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cpare_:

of course, I signed up and didn't assking my account to an area

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iamlindoro:

and non-profit

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cpare_:

so now the DB build is taking longer than 2 seconds

[21:48:04]

cpare_:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

I don't mind the 0.0547 a day :)

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cafuego:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I'll just give up 1/60th of my latté

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cpare_:

yeah – I agree, and the price keeps dropping

[21:48:49]

cpare_:

so thats good

[21:48:57]

cpare_:

although $20 was the tarket

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iamlindoro:

Soon they'll be paying you

[21:49:04]

cpare_:

target – jeez

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cpare_:

woot!

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iamlindoro:

Dog found the one spot my in-wall speaker cabling ran across a floorboard last night... and ate them

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justinh:

wouldn't have done that if you were playing it loud enough. bzzzt!

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iamlindoro:

Heh... She and I were *not* speaking as I tore the cables out of the wall and re-ran them

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cpare_:

My daughters hamsters got loose one time and found their way into my speakers

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keith4_:

so... the PS3 sees the myth backend as a media server, and SD stuff streams fine, but I get no audio with HD stuff

[21:52:41]

cpare_:

there they are every wire

[21:52:47]

cpare_:

even on the subwoofer

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cpare_:

:(

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iamlindoro:

bummer, especially if you're one of youse freak types that spends thousands on speakers

[21:53:12]

GreyFoxx:

keith4_: Maybe the PS3 wont play that type of audio codec?

[21:53:18]

iamlindoro:

er those

[21:53:25]

GreyFoxx:

myth just sends what is in the recording file, and has no control over the incoming codec

[21:53:38]

keith4_:

true

[21:53:43]

keith4_:

lemme check the log...

[21:54:10]

cpare_:

I can see a snowy channel now, and the channel info is there :)

[21:54:11]

keith4_:

maybe i can change the audio recording format for HD?

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iamlindoro:

cpare_: It's a start

[21:54:28]

cpare_:

how do I change channels with the keyboard, just Up/Down Arrows?

[21:54:37]

cpare_:

and then Enter to select?

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iamlindoro:

You're right, much easier to ask than try ;)

[21:54:45]

GreyFoxx:

keith4_: Nope. It's done on the broadcasters end

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keith4_:

hmmm

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justinh:

much easier to ask than... R

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justinh:

OW!

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GreyFoxx:

only thing you could do is transcode it

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keith4_:

... log is full of "[mpeg2video @ 0xb72343a8]ac-tex damaged at 0 23" and such

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iamlindoro:

Probably poor signal led to broken Mpeg-2

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keith4_:

and "[mpeg2video @ 0xb72343a8]get_buffer() failed (stride changed)"

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rinaldi_:

im getting a "decoderMAD: cannot initialize error- no input" error when trying to play music from one of my frontends. why might this be?

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iamlindoro:

Some things are far more tolerant of slightly broken video than others

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rinaldi_:

so does anyone knwo how to fix the decoderMAD error im getting in one of my frontends when trying to play music

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iamlindoro:

You're probably missing some MAD related library

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cpare_:

sorry – not I

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cpare_:

I am the noob

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FinnTux:

rinaldi_, all your frontends running the same version?

[22:04:14]

rinaldi_:

yes

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FinnTux:

did it work earlier?

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rinaldi_:

no just installed the new frontend, the others work fine

[22:05:24]

iamlindoro:

Lemme gues... on Ubuntu from packages...

[22:05:26]

FinnTux:

ok, then I'm with iamlindoro here

[22:05:36]

iamlindoro:

er guess

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rinaldi_:

yes the other frontends were installed through mythbuntu, and the one that im having problems is the one i installed over ubuntu, same version of frontend though i think

[22:06:45]

iamlindoro:

Ubuntu comes stock without MP3 support

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cpare_:

Yep

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iamlindoro:

So figure out which restricted codec packages you need to get to get it, and it will probably work fine then

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rinaldi_:

well the files play through mplayer, totem and the like

[22:07:40]

rinaldi_:

lemme check again

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rinaldi_:

yep therye fine in the regular players, just not the frontend

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iamlindoro:

Some things have their own mp3 interpreters... myth relies on proper libraries

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rinaldi_:

ok

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FinnTux:

look for libmad0

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FinnTux:

thats in debian 4.0 box though

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FinnTux:

should be something like that in ubuntu

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rinaldi_:

yeh searching now

[22:12:29]

iamlindoro:

I think it's the same

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squish102:

any1 know a script that will look at a dvd and find the longest track and then encode it to xvid or something?

[22:12:52]

sdlnxgk:

Linux newbie needs help !!!!

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Saviq:

!meta @ sdlnxgk

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keith4_:

squish102: try acidrip

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sdlnxgk:

mythtv can't connect to database

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sdlnxgk:

!meta database

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iamlindoro:

Ah, the dreaded third-person help request

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sdlnxgk:

Saviq, what is imeta ??

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sdlnxgk:

errr I mean !meta

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Saviq:

no meta-questions please

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squish102:

thanks keith4_, i was hoping there was a command line one.. i played with it a few weeks ago and now i cannot find it anymore :(

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Saviq:

if you have a question, ask it

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rinaldi_:

finntux: it was already installed, i reinstalled it in case but still not working

[22:15:41]

sdlnxgk:

Saviq, not sure what to ask since i'm new with linux

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Saviq:

nevermind

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iamlindoro:

could always try an apt-get build-dep mythmusic

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sdlnxgk:

Saviq. when i click on mythtv it asks for database settings which i'm not sure where to find them at

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FinnTux:

rinaldi_, are you using packaged version of mythtv or did you compile it yourself?

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rinaldi_:

packaged

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FinnTux:

ok

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FinnTux:

I'm running out of ideas here

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rinaldi_:

well it being mythbuntu installed over ubuntu wouldn't make any difference would it?

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FinnTux:

dunno

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jamesd_:

has anyone built the viewer part of mythtv on Solaris?

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sdlnxgk:

were can I find database settings for mythtv to connect too?

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rinaldi_:

there isn't any way of changing the plugin/codec for the player you use for music like there is for video is there?

[22:20:35]

iamlindoro:

I'm not even sure that's possible right now

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FinnTux:

sdlnxgk, ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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bahadunn:

if planning to pre-install mythtv on a computer for sale are there any license restrictions in regard to doing that?

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cafuego:

bahadunn: Where are you located?

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bahadunn:

bahamas

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iamlindoro:

Have to comply with the GPL and the licenses of any themes or plusins you supply with it

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bahadunn:

no problem

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cafuego:

And local law if you add on things like decss

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iamlindoro:

for example, I know that the licenses on some of justin's theme's prevent you from including them

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sdlnxgk:

FinnTux, I found that file but keeps saying it can't connect to the database so i'm sure something is wrong with mysql

[22:22:45]

iamlindoro:

er themes

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bahadunn:

okay

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bahadunn:

cafuego: without decss would that mean most dvds would not work?

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FinnTux:

sdlnxgk, make sure you have libqt3-mt-mysql installed

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cafuego:

bahadunn: correct

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bahadunn:

I do not think we have any laws here about that

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sdlnxgk:

FinnTux, yes I have it installed but not sure if I need to configure anything or not

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FinnTux:

sdlnxgk, or whatever it is called in your distro

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FinnTux:

ok

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sdlnxgk:

I'm using Kubuntu Gusty

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sdlnxgk:

do I have to configure mysql before using it as the database?

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iamlindoro:

Ah, Gusty Gale

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FinnTux:

sdlnxgk, is it backend or frontend that gives you the trouble?

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bahadunn:

cafuego: that would be more a copywrite law thing though and not a question of being restricted from offering a pre-installed unit right?

[22:25:12]

FinnTux:

sdlnxgk, yes, you must have db, user and passwd

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cafuego:

bahadunn: More like distributing software of at the very least dubious legal status.

[22:25:27]

bahadunn:

reason I am asking is because linux mce uses pluto which has a restriction and requires a license to offer pre-installed systems

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sdlnxgk:

is there a place I can learn to setup a database for use with mythtv??

[22:25:45]

cafuego:

bahadunn: i know some ppl down under who sell Myth machines and they don't include dvdcss for this reason.

[22:25:46]

FinnTux:

sdlnxgk, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

[22:25:54]

bahadunn:

cafuego: ah I see

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cafuego:

sdlnxgk: myth should come with docs and the database schema to use.

[22:26:02]

sdlnxgk:

FinnTux, let me go check it out, Thanks !!!

[22:26:09]

bahadunn:

here we do not have such laws

[22:26:22]

cafuego:

bahadunn: Then you should be just fine :-)

[22:26:28]

sdlnxgk:

cafuego, let me see if it downloaded docs or not couldn't find anything in man files

[22:26:35]

bahadunn:

you can go to the stores here and buy copies of any dvd

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cafuego:

at so called computer swap meets here you can do the same

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bahadunn:

cafuego: where are you?

[22:27:12]

cafuego:

though i think a few ppl got arrested earleir this year

[22:27:18]

cafuego:

bahadunn: melbourne, australia

[22:27:38]

bahadunn:

cafuego: I think I have spoken to you before

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bahadunn:

cafuego: your nick seems familiar

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cafuego:

Though I was planning to run away with a wad of cash and settle in a quiet part of the bahamas ;-)

[22:27:54]

cafuego:

bahadunn: #debian/#ubuntu prolly

[22:27:57]

bahadunn:

and australia rings a bell too

[22:28:02]

bahadunn:

cafuego: yeah probalby #debian

[22:28:20]

bahadunn:

cafuego: you could go to eluthera

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bahadunn:

cafuego: very quiet there

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bahadunn:

just came back from vacation there

[22:29:10]

** cafuego checks google earth **

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cafuego:

Oh crap, it wants me to upgrade first

[22:30:03]

FinnTux:

is multirec feature anywhere near to be merged into trunk?

[22:30:28]

bahadunn:

cafuego: http://www.linuxbs.org/gallery/v/EleutheraTri . . . -LowerBogue/

[22:33:12]

cafuego:

Right

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cafuego:

neet

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cafuego:

has bob griffin sold his plot yet? ;-)

[22:35:40]

bahadunn:

dont think so

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bahadunn:

we took that picture a few days ago

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bahadunn:

the beach in current is very nice

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Yahooadam:

have the radio times changed their listing system?

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Yahooadam:

cos mythfilldatabase isnt working :s

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Yahooadam:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2007-12–29 21:41 and ended on 2007-12–29 21:50. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 2 of 2 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure.

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justinh:

Yahooadam: no guide data after 00:00 Jan 1st

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GreyFoxx:

ARG, ok so I'm not on crack. my MCE remote and my xbox360 have some conflicting IR codes

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GreyFoxx:

navigating mytht's menus with the MCE remote is causing the same to happen on the xbox :)

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EnderTheThird:

Hurray for VNC over SSH!

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cccp_:

moar hurray for irssi over ssh over ssh over ssh

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EnderTheThird:

Now you're just being ridiculous, ha

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cccp_:

no, im serious

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mzb:

you might want to wrap that into openvpn ;)

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Saviq:

I believe openvpn to be too easy to crack

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Saviq:

;)

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Saviq:

I'd recommend at least two vpnc and an IPSec for good measure

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cpare_:

sorry to keep asking for help, but I cant figure out why I am not able to change channels, and the picture is very fuzzy – does this have to do with a frequency of offset thing?

[23:25:04]

mzb:

enter a channel number

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cpare_:

Ubuntu / MythTV (sources)/ 1.8ghz / Hauppage WinTV-Go

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cpare_:

If I neter a number it's the same effect, the listing info changes, but the channel does not

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iamlindoro:

cpare_: to be clear, what input are you using?

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cpare_:

it's just a fuzzy B&W signal

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iamlindoro:

Are you used us-cable as your frequency table?

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cpare_:

I am using the v4l now

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iamlindoro:

You may need to try cable-hrc and the other one (irc?)

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iamlindoro:

cpare_: no, not card type, input... tuner, s-video, etc

[23:27:15]

cpare_:

yes, I am using US-Cabel as the frequency

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iamlindoro:

and you scanned QAM-256?

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cpare_:

Simple Cable from the wall

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iamlindoro:

So Coax into the tuner

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cpare_:

I did not scan, as I signed up for Schedules Direct, so I though I could skip that step

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iamlindoro:

I'd try rescanning, making sure you selected QAM-256... also try QAM-64 if necessary... also try cable-irc and cable-hrc frequency tables... who is your provider, and where?

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cpare_:

was I wrong?

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iamlindoro:

cpare_: yes, you were wrong

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cpare_:

OK

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cpare_:

eventually I will get this right :)

[23:29:03]

cpare_:

starting it up again to scan...

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cpare_:

I will let everyone here know if that did the trick in 15

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cpare_:

thanks again

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: I ordered that mobo and RAM. now I just need to hold off on HDDs for RAID until prices come down on 1TB. I figure I can grab 2 when they're down closer to the $150 mark

[23:35:43]

iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: Cool. Shouldn't be too long, they're dropping like a stone

[23:36:21]

EnderTheThird:

yeah, i remember them being closer to 300 or 350 not too long ago

[23:36:25]

EnderTheThird:

255 now for those WD drives

[23:36:55]

** J-e-f-f-A remembers paying about $400 for a 40MB drive in 1992... ;-) **

[23:37:18]

EnderTheThird:

haha

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J-e-f-f-A:

That was for my TI 99/4a ... ;-)

[23:37:36]

EnderTheThird:

i remember paying 200–300 for my first DVD burner

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blackest:

hmm anyone remember the command to restart mysql

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EnderTheThird:

or was it a CD burner? wow

[23:38:06]

blackest:

i paid £150 for a 2nd hand 4meg stick of ram

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Saviq:

blackest: /etc/init.d/mysql restart

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blackest:

thanks Saviq

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Saviq:

np

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blackest:

unfortunately the backend still isnt restarting :(

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blackest:

but its not the database

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EnderTheThird:

what's the error?

[23:41:59]

EnderTheThird:

maybe it's a wrong IP somewhere. don't have your mysql bound to the wrong IP or anything, do you?

[23:43:02]

cpare_:

When I scan for channels, am I supposed to see something in the window behind the 'scanning' box – mine is blank while scanning, an after...

[23:43:38]

cpare_:

also – the suggestion was to try QAM-256 – where is that specified? Under General?

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blackest:

its not doing a thing i try to restart and it does nothing

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J-e-f-f-A:

cpare_: I don't think you'll have that option – that's for digital channels, and I think your tuner is just analog.

[23:44:35]

blackest:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

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cpare_:

yep

[23:44:41]

cpare_:

thanks

[23:44:56]

cpare_:

what about the scanning portion?

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blackest:

i found scanning did it all pretty much automagically

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J-e-f-f-A:

cpare_: I don't think anything shows on the screen while it's scanning (as far as video itself is concerned). But I've only scanned for digital OTA channels, so I can't say for sure.

[23:45:39]

blackest:

have you tried watching with kaffiene?

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Yahooadam:

justinh: Yahooadam: no guide data after 00:00 Jan 1st

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Yahooadam:

umm ... wtf?

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cpare_:

thanks

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justinh:

Yahooadam: yeah

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cpare_:

I will try scanning each of the types

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cpare_:

and see what I get

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blackest:

if kaffeine pulls in some channels then mythtv should as well

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justinh:

Yahooadam: they're having issues for one reason or another & it's not likely to be fixed til they go back to work. or something

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Yahooadam:

you mean they havent updated it, or theyve stopped giving it out?

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J-e-f-f-A:

cpare_: You tried "US-Cable", right?

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Yahooadam:

ummm

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Yahooadam:

ok

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cpare_:

Yeah, that was the first one

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Yahooadam:

so what do we do?

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cpare_:

I am going to try each option now

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cpare_:

YahooAdam – I signed up for Schedule Direct – just $20

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cpare_:

seemed fair :)

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Yahooadam:

yeah, if your in the USA ....

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justinh:

Yahooadam: the real reason for there being no guide data after that point isn't known

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cpare_:

good point

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justinh:

stop yer backend, enable EIT, restart the backend ;)

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Yahooadam:

that only works for DVB-T

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justinh:

so? ;)

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justinh:

you could just get so drunk on Monday night that Tuesday doesn't happen. they're prolly gonna be back at work on Wednesday, so...

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Daviey:

justinh: can we start a 500+ thread on mythtv-users regarding Radio Times, and how the world is over?

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justinh:

Daviey: bit early for that

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justinh:

wait til I've started a thread saying how I've got a not-for-profit listings service waiting in the wings

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Daviey:

well my listing data runs out Monday night and I want to create a USA style panic

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Yahooadam:

i wouldnt even care about paying £20/yr

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Yahooadam:

if it worked

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Daviey:

justinh: I'll claim you are trying to rip me off and making mythtv a commerical venture

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justinh:

and I'll claim you hug trees & stuff :P

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yahooadam: So move to the US.... ;-) (Just kidding...)

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Daviey:

justinh: incidently, can SD be used commerically?

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Yahooadam:

i wish

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justinh:

Daviey: nope

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Yahooadam:

im stuck here for atleast 3yrs

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