Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, December 27th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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fryfrog:

DO IT!

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fryfrog:

you'll be happier in the long run

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CaptObviousman:

for maximum ease, I can just take my current PC and move it underneath the TV

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iamlindoro_:

Don't do it!!!

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iamlindoro_:

um... because!

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iamlindoro_:

:)

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CaptObviousman:

it's already in the HTPC case

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CaptObviousman:

but it also could use a rebuild

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my2keh:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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my2keh:

i can't beleive it

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CaptObviousman:

so the debate is really how lazy I'm feeling

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iamlindoro_:

cafuego, lol

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cafuego:

(a) Is it working fine currently?

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cafuego:

Yes -> Don't touch it.

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my2keh:

noo

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cafuego:

No -> Rebuild it.

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my2keh:

if it's working fine

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my2keh:

break it

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** CaptObviousman needs more responses **

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my2keh:

so you can fix it

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CaptObviousman:

kind of

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CaptObviousman:

it overheats when pushed too hard

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CaptObviousman:

at least I think that's the problem

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cafuego:

CaptObviousman: I'd normally try to keep most of the (noisy) hardware out of the livingroom.

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cafuego:

That would include 6 HDDs.

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CaptObviousman:

right, the 6 HDDs are going into the fileserver in the closet

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cafuego:

Will they be cool enough there?

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CaptObviousman:

right now, it's only 1 HDD, and thus that's why it's in a small case with a small mobo

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CaptObviousman:

it's a big closet =P

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fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: but then what will you do with the *bodies*?

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cafuego:

But probably no air circulation.

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cafuego:

fryfrog: boxing day dinner

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CaptObviousman:

so a fan then

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iamlindoro_:

Hmm, and I was trying to work a "come out of the closet" angle

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my2keh:

hmmm

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my2keh:

lol

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cafuego:

CaptObviousman: circulation in and out of the closet, I mean.

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CaptObviousman:

well the doors of the closet are fitten on poorly, gaps all around

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CaptObviousman:

and the floor is tile, with probably 1/2" clearance

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cafuego:

Just keep an eye on the temp sensors, at least.

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iamlindoro_:

I hear lots of guys get their backends worked on in the closet.

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** CaptObviousman eyes iamlindoro_ **

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iamlindoro_:

Ah, there it is

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CaptObviousman:

speaking from personal experience, are you?

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cafuego:

Coz if the closet gets too hot, iamlindoro will get too excited

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iamlindoro_:

That's it all right

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fryfrog:

you guys are so dirty

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fryfrog:

don't forget there are young children in this channel

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iamlindoro_:

And adults who behave as such, of course

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cafuego:

All happily the same mental age.

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CaptObviousman:

the dilemma is how lazy am I feeling

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CaptObviousman:

because I want to get started ripping DVDs and such, but at the same time I want to make sure it's done properly

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iamlindoro_:

Lots. Little. Somewhat.

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iamlindoro_:

Isn't this much cheaper than actual therapy?

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iamlindoro_:

Now, let's talk about how you feel about your mother.

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cafuego:

At under $200 an hour? You bet!

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fryfrog is now known as boobies

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boobies is now known as fryfrog

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** CaptObviousman sighs and decides to rebuild both first **

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iamlindoro_:

Ah, boobies... you haunt me even here

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fryfrog:

ahahha

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psofa:

any verbosity level where i can see theme errors?

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psofa:

i having a problem with the Mepo theme , i dont get the correct font everywhere

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iamlindoro_:

-v all certainly, but to pare that down -v help

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clever[rev]:

lol

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clever[rev]:

i got bored here and started to stress test things

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clever[rev]:

EVERY system with a fe is running

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clever[rev]:

playing the same file

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clever[rev]:

including the master which is recording it

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clever[rev]:

6 players running it while its recording

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CaptObviousman:

what's a brand of motherboard that's high quality and trustworthy?

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fryfrog:

Asus, Abit, MSI

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fryfrog:

ummm

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fryfrog:

Gigabyte

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clever[rev]:

its not even nearing 50% of my ethernet bandwidth

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fryfrog:

errrrrr

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CaptObviousman:

do you have a favorite?

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CaptObviousman:

what's the one you start with

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fryfrog:

they all use the same chipset, so I usually find the one that has the features I want

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fryfrog:

er, rather... i pick a chipset (nforce, what ever), then find a board that has what i need and is by someone who i know of

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fryfrog:

(ie, not pcchips :p

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BULLE:

all hail the hypnotoad ?

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fryfrog:

sometimes i'll go with Anandtech or HardOCP's recommendations

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fryfrog:

oh, DFI is another decent one afaik

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fryfrog:

My favorite motherboard of all time is the Abit BP6 :)

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BULLE:

a quick read on anandtech, tomshardware, hardocp etc, is good, just to weed out any realy bad things

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** BULLE dislikes abit, have had to many abit motherboards blow their caps or fry the cpus **

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CaptObviousman:

humm

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fryfrog:

all of them will have their ups and downs

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fryfrog:

I like XFX but have had to send a card or two back

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fryfrog:

but htey've been *real* quick to rma, so... doesn't bother me

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fryfrog:

shit breaks :(

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BULLE:

fryfrog: ye, just abit doesnt seem to honour laws and warranty ( atleast not here in sweden )

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fryfrog:

its how they respond that makes or breaks it

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fryfrog:

oh, that sucks

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BULLE:

absolutely

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fryfrog:

I've actually been getting MSI and Gigabyte recently

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BULLE:

i ended up with gigabyte aswell, last time i bought a mb

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fryfrog:

last Asus board was a dual xeon workstation, and last abit was from the old athlon days

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fryfrog:

Been happy with both the MSI and Gigabyte ones

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fryfrog:

really, what will make the *most* difference is hte chipset you want

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fryfrog:

from there, it narrows down your choices of makers and boards

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BULLE:

ye

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CaptObviousman:

where do I go to see the various chipsets/

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fryfrog:

speaking of which, what is good chipsets now for core2?

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fryfrog:

nforce? intel?

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fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: newegg will let you list stuff by chipset, but for reviews... i'm not sure

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fryfrog:

I tend to avoid via chipsets

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BULLE:

fryfrog: i have only good to say about intel, but i havent tried any of the new x family chipset

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fryfrog:

nvidia and intel both seem to consistantly make good chipsets

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** CaptObviousman wants low cost, high reliability board for front end myth machine **

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** BULLE has a couple of 965 thingies for his core 2 duo **

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CaptObviousman:

ah, now there's a question I had

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CaptObviousman:

I have an Intel board with HD Audio on it, so they say

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BULLE:

CaptObviousman: those two requirements are kind of contradictionary, low cost means cheap parts, wich means less reliability, and also that tye cut on in on any part of the motherboard they can, eg use as simple power system etc

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CaptObviousman:

it has an optical (Toslink) connection on it, but I'm not certain it works with linux

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BULLE:

CaptObviousman: it most likely does, if its HD Audio

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fryfrog:

I usually go for medium cost

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BULLE:

atleast mine does

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CaptObviousman:

BULLE: ok, instead of low cost, I don't need tons of features

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BULLE:

fryfrog: same here

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fryfrog:

around $100 is decent for a MB, maybe $75 ish

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fryfrog:

I can't imagine sinking $300 into a damn MB :p

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fryfrog:

but you get what you pay for in a $25 mb :)

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CaptObviousman:

good reliability is most important. I don't need SLI, or overclocking, or anything like that

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BULLE:

i would look at the cheaper gigabyte cards that still have the high quality caps on them

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fryfrog:

you should get that from most any board :)

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fryfrog:

that isn't cheap as balls

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fryfrog:

hell, for a front end, you might even consider older / used stuff

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fryfrog:

like, an amd64 939 4600+ X2 is plenty even for x264

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fryfrog:

no need to go with new, core2 shit

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CaptObviousman:

it's not just for front end

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fryfrog:

what elase?

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CaptObviousman:

I play some small-time video games

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CaptObviousman:

ever heard of dwarf fortress?

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squish102:

xris, other than generic.pm, what other pm do i need to edit?

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fryfrog:

no, but if it isn't hard core intensive, 4600+ would handle it fine

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fryfrog:

what do you play it on now?

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xris:

squish102: that should be it

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CaptObviousman:

it's pretty intensive

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CaptObviousman:

I play it on a C2d 2.16

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

doesn't sound small time :)

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fryfrog:

maybe you do want something new

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CaptObviousman:

well that's the chip I'm going to use

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squish102:

xris during the ui prompts i get the 0–5 error again

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CaptObviousman:

the mobo it goes into has to not suck

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BULLE:

the only dwarf fortress game i can find, is a ncurses based one =D

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BULLE:

i doubt it requires core 2 duo to run

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xris:

squish102: you maybe have multiple files around?

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CaptObviousman:

bay 12 games?

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CaptObviousman:

yeah, this game has next to no video requirements, it's all processor

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CaptObviousman:

because the worlds it's simulating are heeeuuugge

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BULLE:

CaptObviousman: i still think an amd 4600+ will handle it just fine

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gremlin190:

looking for help with upnp and the xbox 360

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clever[rev]:

gremlin190: what mythtv version?

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gremlin190:

I only see videos listed under the music section

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gremlin190:

15238

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clever[rev]:

ahh:)

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gremlin190:

I had this working with 20.1

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clever[rev]:

im out of ideas then:P

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gremlin190:

Yeah, i posted to the mailing list and wasn't very successful

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gremlin190:

thanks anyway

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clever[rev]:

i know there have been very recent changes to the upnp and xbox interactions and your on a recent version

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gremlin190:

I guess I will have to go back to trunk

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gremlin190:

qam works soooo much better with the latest though

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clever[rev]:

i dont have any digital inputs

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clever[rev]:

but i just got a pvr 150

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gremlin190:

those are still the king of SD!

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clever[rev]:

dad got me the 150 for the ir remote mainly

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clever[rev]:

he didnt know it was a hardware encoder

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clever[rev]:

so much faster then the frame grabber!

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gremlin190:

i never did the frame grabber thing, but I bet it is much better

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clever[rev]:

able to play the same file on 6 frontends at once

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gremlin190:

kinda like using your processor to do video games

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clever[rev]:

one of them is the recording master

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clever[rev]:

and no trouble

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gremlin190:

not too shabby

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clever[rev]:

before i couldnt play & record on the same host at once

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gremlin190:

6 is quite the number

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clever[rev]:

and havent realy tested multiple frontends streaming

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psofa:

damn! why would mepo theme refuse to show in some places the nice font on one box and display it fine on another!

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clever[rev]:

i still have the frame grabber in the box

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clever[rev]:

but i dont have enough cable boxes nearby(or ir blasters) to control both inputs fully

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gremlin190:

yeah, I'd use that for emergency's

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clever[rev]:

and i dont think the tuner in it is that good

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gremlin190:

firewire???

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clever[rev]:

neither card is good thru coax/tuner

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clever[rev]:

2 of my xp systems have onboard firewire

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gremlin190:

change your channels with firewire

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clever[rev]:

and i have a unused pci firewire card

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clever[rev]:

and the cable boxes lack firewire

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clever[rev]:

costs extra

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gremlin190:

that stinks who you with

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clever[rev]:

most i can do with firewire is setup a highspeed lan between 3 systems

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clever[rev]:

rogers digital cable

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clever[rev]:

but 100mbit handles 90% of my file transfer needs so i dont need 800mbit firewire

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gremlin190:

anyone else wants to help me with my upnp

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gremlin190:

that's all it communicates when you get video off of it anyway (at least I think)

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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The_Rebel:

wad up peeps

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The_Rebel:

*cough* *cough*

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psofa:

when i hold a button on my remote i get only one event no matter how much time i hold, is that only me or it happens to everybody?

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The_Rebel:

hey psofa

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The_Rebel:

no idea what you talking about

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psofa:

hi

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The_Rebel:

i think i need to rtfm

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CaptObviousman:

will 1GB of memory be sufficient for front-end?

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** CaptObviousman thinks so **

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psofa:

what im asking is: press down the down button on your remote and dont release it. what happens: do you scroll down many time or just one?

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The_Rebel:

it just goes down once

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The_Rebel:

i was wondering about that myself actually

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clever[rev]:

yay

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clever[rev]:

mythfrontend gave me a core dump

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The_Rebel:

don't forget your popper scoopper

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clever[rev]:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

psofa: Repeat is set in lircrc

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The_Rebel:

CaptObviousman, works fine for me + im running a ton of extra deamons in the bg

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clever[rev]:

when i run mythwelcome it causes mythshutdown to dump constantly

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clever[rev]:

The_Rebel: and i get burried in it

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clever[rev]:

4gig+ of dumps

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The_Rebel:

ouch

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clever[rev]:

using every byte of free space

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clever[rev]:

400mb each mostly

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iamlindoro:

psofa: By default it will go down once and stop... if you set, for example, repeat = 3 in lircrc, it will continue to go down as you hold the button... if you set repeat = 1, it will go down, and three times faster

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clever[rev]:

this fe dump appears to be within qmutex::lock()

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clever[rev]:

#0 0xb65bf545 in QMutex::lock () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3

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clever[rev]:

#1 0xb7a392ef in NuppelVideoPlayer::SetCommBreakMap (this=0x0, newMap=@0xbff6e190) at NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp:5715

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psofa:

iamlindoro,ill try it out now :)

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clever[rev]:

this=0x0 is the problem!

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clever[rev]:

im getting alot of this pointers messed up lately

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iamlindoro:

so repeat = 1 is the fastest, and becomes slower as you increase the number, btw

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iamlindoro:

And that's *per button*, so you need to set it on each button definition

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psofa:

iamlindoro, thanks it works

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psofa:

i hope theres a way to set it as default

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psofa:

or im getting cts

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iamlindoro:

Cut + Paste ;)

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iamlindoro:

Because trust me, there are some buttons you do NOT want repeating

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iamlindoro:

OK being an obvious one

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The_Rebel:

like the pause button

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clever[rev]:

that too

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The_Rebel:

which lirc.conf do i edit?

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psofa:

.mythtv/lircrc

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The_Rebel:

the one in my home dir or myth's?

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The_Rebel:

i'll just clone them both

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Sembiance:

Anyone know where the the .xmltv.conf file for mythtvfilldatabase can be found? I want to take a peek

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cafuego:

~/.mythtv/

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cafuego:

(afaik)

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Sembiance:

hrm, I lookde there, didn't see it

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Sembiance:

hmm...

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AndyCap:

Sembiance: named for the video source. not xmltv.conf

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Sembiance:

AndyCap: I'm looking in my users directory, in .mythtv, don't see anything like that sadly

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AndyCap:

Sembiance: the user running the backend.

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Sembiance:

AndyCap: aye, I looked there, that directory is empty. Hrm.. just checked out my Gentoo's /etc/init.d/mythbackend file, it sets home to /etc/mythtv but I don't see anything for channels there either... hrm

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AndyCap:

Sembiance: you do have xmltv and mythtv up and running right?

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Sembiance:

AndyCap: oh yes. It works, and it also works if I call mythfilldatabase as root. I just wanted to take a peek at it's .xml conf file (I'm writing my own little replacement for mythtv for reasons I'm sure you don't want me to bitch about)

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: The steps are the same, build with debug, run in gdb, create a bt and open a ticket, if you want to look at the code it is the same but you skip that last step.

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AndyCap:

"little replacement for mythtv"? sounds like more than a little project.

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AndyCap:

Sembiance: anyhoo, it should be named .mythtv/<video source>.xmltv

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: it is built with debug

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AndyCap:

Sembiance: did you check root's homedir btw?

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Sembiance:

AndyCap: Nah, all I need to support is my HDHomeRun HDTV tuner boxes, and I already have C code written to do that. It'll just be a small mysql database, a quick PHP interface to that, a cron daemon to grab the XML listings and XSLT transform those into MySQL commands. The actual recorder will be a fairly simple C program that forks itself once per tuner and semaphore locks when reading/writing the db

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Sembiance:

AndyCap: should be pretty simple :)

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: i seem to be getting segfaults in most of myth's programs(fe/be/shutdown) mostly with a corupt this pointer

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BULLE:

Sembiance: uhh, why semaphores locks , sounds insane, use the transaction support of mysql instead

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: Sure, doesn't mean it isn't a real bug though.

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: yeah but when mythshutdown core dumps so often it eats several gig a day it becomes a major problem

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: looking at the code, what you see could happen before player creation or during teardown, the state changes and threads in the player mostly just make you go crazy to look at.

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: that last 2 lines of backtrace i pasted

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: ulimit them

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: it was playing fine and happened when the video playback ended on its own at file end

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: changing the ulimit doesnt solve the segfaulting

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clever[rev]:

just masks it

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Anduin:

Yeah, during player teardown, there is no check in the event to ensure the player is still around.

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clever[rev]:

mythshutdown segfaults mainly in the upnp code

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Sembiance:

BULLE: hrm

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clever[rev]:

sometimes with this=0

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clever[rev]:

sometimes this=9

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: Still? (There were recent changes that fixed a bad bug there)

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Sembiance:

AndyCap: I checked in /root aye. Ahh well. Thanks for your help :)

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psm321:

hi

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: im still on 15216M

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AndyCap:

Sembiance: you could just make one with the grabber though.

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: http://www.pastebin.ca/831065 shows a backtrace where this=9 and links to another

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psm321:

any idea why teh scheduler might think that 2 things with the same "episode id" are different? (at least i think that it's thinking theyre different, because it shows one as conflicting when the other is recording)

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Sembiance:

AndyCap: aye, I'm looking into that :)

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AndyCap:

Sembiance: --configure iirc.

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: Yeah, 15184 was what I was thinking of

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Sembiance:

but first things first, time to eat pizza :)

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: i can update again

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clever[rev]:

now that i have a pvr150 i can compile while recording with much less problems

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: This is trunk?

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clever[rev]:

yep

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clever[rev]:

SVN branch : trunk

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clever[rev]:

Updated to revision 15239.

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: How reproducible is it for you?

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clever[rev]:

if i run mythshutdown --status 0 about 10 times

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clever[rev]:

it will segfault atleast 2–3 times

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clever[rev]:

om avg

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clever[rev]:

depends on which system and the loads i think

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: willing to try a quick code change?

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joobie:

hey guys

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: shure

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joobie:

anyone know a cheap place i can get the Terratec Cinergy DT USB XS. from?

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joobie:

supplier i foudn is $330USD

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: which file(i may need to pastebin part of a svn diff)

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: upnptasknotify.cpp

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: http://rafb.net/p/liFkcT85.html

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: http://rafb.net/p/sxkYMw65.html is my current svn diff of that file

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joobie:

guys anyone know of a good online shop that's cheap to buy the TV Tuners from? ?I want the Terratec Cinergy DT USB XS .. Have just canceled the order i placed because it was 330$ USD

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clever[rev]:

i'll rebuild and test it in 7mins when this show is over

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iamlindoro:

http://www.lhdigital.co.uk/product_info.php?l . . . cts_id=93694

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iamlindoro:

$216 USD

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iamlindoro:

Lowest via google product search

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iamlindoro:

I see how you could have missed it, it's way at the bottom of the first page of results ;)

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matt123:

im using suse 10.3 and it wont let me run the irw command.

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matt123:

im trying to set up mythtv

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joobie:

lol

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joobie:

thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

;) They may or may not ship out of UK, though

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levander:

Is MPEG-4 basically HDTV when I'm reading doc's on mythtv.org?

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matt123:

any help?

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iamlindoro:

levander: No, Mpeg-4 is just a compression method that can be any resolution

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joobie:

iamlindoro, http://www.computershopper.co.uk/shopper/revi . . . versity.html they are 79punds

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joobie:

is it the same?

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iamlindoro:

I don't know the current currency conversion, honestly... Dollar is weak, so quite possibly

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AndyCap:

levander: but hdtv is usually broadcast in mpeg-4 or mpeg-2, depending on where you live.

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joobie:

iamlindoro, i mean is the product the same?

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squish102:

xris are u still here? i think another change has to be done in generic.pm, but im no expert in perl

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joobie:

it works out to 130$ AUD

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iamlindoro:

Appears to be

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iamlindoro:

Although it shows 107 pounds

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joobie:

cool:P

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squish102:

xris somewhere areound this line "my $max = ($side eq 'top' || $side eq 'bottom') ? 20 : 5;"

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iamlindoro:

79 is the price at review time, it appears... their only linked retailer is 109

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AndyCap:

uh. 79 UK pounds is not 130 australian dollars?

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iamlindoro:

AndyCap: I meant appears to be re: it being the same product

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AndyCap:

if it is I'm off to the currency trader. :)

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levander:

AndyCap: does mainstream HD cards, like the HD home run, encode the MPEG4 video for you, or is it sent to the processor for encoding?

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iamlindoro:

levander: No HD cards encode at all

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AndyCap:

levander: decoding... but no. most leave that to the cpu I think

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joobie:

AndyCap, it is according to xe.com

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iamlindoro:

They just dump the OTA or QAM or DVB stream to disk

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iamlindoro:

it's already encoded, and the format depends on where you live

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** AndyCap smells a huge arbitrage opportunity **

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iamlindoro:

US = Mpeg-2, EU and others = Mpeg 4

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joobie:

hmm

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joobie:

it's cheaper to just buy from the manufacturer direct online

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Plugh:

When I was first setting up MythTv I saw a reference to installing a cron job. I've lost tarck of what that cron job was for and where the reference to using a cron job was located in the docs. Any idea where to look?

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iamlindoro:

Plugh: Heh, that's wiiiiiiiiide open, a cron job can do *anything*

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AndyCap:

Plugh: probably to run mythfilldatabase

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iamlindoro:

Could back up the database, could send your mom a nice e-mail...

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Plugh:

true. It was something to do with maintenance. Not sure if it was filling the database or cleaning out the database of old files

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Plugh:

old files as in old recorded video files.

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trakie:

my remote (pvr 350) is working all except the channel up/down buttons (which instead jump ahead/back), do i need to edit lircd.cong or lircrc, and where is lircrc (confused myself by looking at the wiki)?

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AndyCap:

Plugh: I don't think that cron does expiry.

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gremlin190:

anyone else wants to help me with my upnp

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iamlindoro:

Well, backend will do that for you without prompting

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Anduin:

Plugh: or optimizing the DB

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Plugh:

AndyCap: Perhaps not but since I haven't been able to relocate the information in the mythtv docs, I'm not sure.

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iamlindoro:

trakie, lircrc, located at ~/.mythtv/lircrc for the user that runs mythfrontend

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: installing new code and restarting backend

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: lol frontend segfaulted AGAIN on video end

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clever[rev]:

2nd time in a row

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trakie:

thanks!

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Plugh:

I seem to have recorded video files on my machine which the mythtv front end doesn't know about.

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iamlindoro:

Plugh: It may well know about them... you will see live tv files that you won't see in recorded files unless you set the filter properly

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Plugh:

files that are in the mythtv area where it stores recorded video.

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AndyCap:

Plugh: maybe it went away from the docs since I think mythbackend can run mythbilldatabase by itself.

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iamlindoro:

By default you will only see the scheduled recordings there, not the livetv stuff it saves until it autoexpires them

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joobie:

hmm

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joobie:

anyone got a discount code for Terratec website?:P

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at0m|c:

Plugh, if the frontend is not the backend, did you share and mount the /myth/tv/ folder?

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iamlindoro:

to see if that's the case, go into recorded programs in the frontend, press m for menu, and adjust the filter options to show "all" instead of recorded programs

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: looks identical to the last on video end segfault

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: #1 0xb7a5f2ef in NuppelVideoPlayer::SetCommBreakMap (this=0x0, newMap=@0xbfe93e80) at NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp:5715

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Plugh:

AndyCap: Ok. That could explain why I can't find it anymore. Not seeing any problems with the guide so it would seem that fill database is being run automatically.

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: Yeah, the patch was for the UPnP stuff, for the playback... one sec.

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Plugh:

frontend/backend are on the same machine.

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at0m|c:

ok

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: the upnp patch is still in make install

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AndyCap:

Plugh: you know. a notepad and pencil are a handy thing to have

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Plugh:

AndyCap: How old fashioned. ;-)

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clever[rev]:

testing the mythshutdown bug now

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gremlin190:

http://www.lhdigital.co.uk/product_info.php?l . . . cts_id=93694 if you are in the UK

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: http://rafb.net/p/EjCpBM22.html that is tv_playe.cpp (didn't include line numbers, local changes)

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gremlin190:

Terratec Cinergy DT USB XS

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iamlindoro:

gremlin190: Well thank god... it's been nearly 150 lines since I posted that link. ;)

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: mythshutdown still segfaulted with the upnp tweak

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iamlindoro:

Glad we got 'er front and center again

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: same bt?

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gremlin190:

I've been away :)

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clever[rev]:

gdb loading

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Plugh:

Hmm... the MythTV database only has 30 entries in the recorded table but I have 50 mpg files.

[02:09:09]

clever[rev]:

#0 0xb661ba6b in QChar::decomposition () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3

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clever[rev]:

#1 0xb661bc89 in QString::arg () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3

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clever[rev]:

#2 0xb6f5069f in UPnpNotifyTask::SendNotifyMsg (this=0x81287f0, pSocket=0x8129fa8, sNT=@0xb4a3333c, sUDN=@0xb4a33338) at upnptasknotify.cpp:108

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gremlin190:

does svn stable use a different version of the database schema then svn trunk???

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: tv_play.cpp patched

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iamlindoro:

.20.2 uses 31, SVN uses 36

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gremlin190:

:(

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clever[rev]:

iamlindoro: those sound like proto versions not scheme versions

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gremlin190:

anybody out there using the xbox 360 with upnp

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Anduin:

gremlin190: Yes

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iamlindoro:

ah, good point... but the answer is still yes :)

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Anduin:

(to version differences)

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gremlin190:

gotcha

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iamlindoro:

gremlin190: I believe Greyfoxx has been experimenting with uPNP/360

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gremlin190:

so I'd have to drop my db to go back to stable

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clever[rev]:

gremlin190: depending on luck you may be able to use a new db on a old version

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iamlindoro:

yes, but why would you want to? Stable is *less* stable :)

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gremlin190:

I just want music at this time.

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clever[rev]:

gremlin190: you may also be able to work some work manualy undo the upgrades

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gremlin190:

<iamlindoro> I use to have music back with 20.1

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clever[rev]:

mythmusic works in svn trunk for me

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gremlin190:

now I get videos under music

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clever[rev]:

ooo that music

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gremlin190:

;)

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gremlin190:

trying again

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clever[rev]:

and i havent gotten arround to fixing my ogg problems in mythmusic

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clever[rev]:

it seems to only affect one host

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gremlin190:

my recorded programs show up under the xbox 360 as music

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gremlin190:

well 6 boxes and 1 doesn't seem to work -bummer-

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GreyFoxx:

gremlin190: Music doesn't currently work under the 360

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GreyFoxx:

though I have it almost working now

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gremlin190:

<+GreyFoxx> I swear I had it working with 20.1

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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gremlin190:

but thanks for the answer

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: http://www.pastebin.ca/833266 a new backtrace from mythshutdown

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gremlin190:

maybe it was media center it was picking up on

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GreyFoxx:

in the next couple days I'll commit patches to make via work via the 360

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GreyFoxx:

and then music

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gremlin190:

thanks man. I was a little dissapointed with the answers, but I'm glad to know somebody knows that this doesn't work and it's not just me

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squish102:

GreyFoxx, is there going to be any more logging of upnp?

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GreyFoxx:

squish102: Yes

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squish102:

great.. currently im a little in the dark when it comes to upnp and there is no info from the media extender side

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GreyFoxx:

what kind of unit ?

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squish102:

dlink dsm-320

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squish102:

got it cheap, so i thought i would play around with it

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squish102:

recordings work just fine (although they struggle on 802.11g), i cannot get the videos to work

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GreyFoxx:

I have a 320 here for testing as well

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GreyFoxx:

I borrowed my dads one yesterday so I can make sure it works before I commit my changes

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GreyFoxx:

something in the last couple months broke it in trunk at least

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squish102:

that is great news. I think im not selecting the right things in nuvexport or something

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GreyFoxx:

well from my 5 minute look it's seeing the videos but complaining abnout the codec

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GreyFoxx:

and that's not actually the problem

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squish102:

although i can take the nuvexported avi's and drop them on windows home server and they stream fine, although i don't know if it is transcoding on the fly

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GreyFoxx:

It's just what teh dsm is telling you

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GreyFoxx:

It's not a codec issue, all of my videos which use to play fine are now failing

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GreyFoxx:

It's an underlying upnp problem

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squish102:

ahh ok

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squish102:

i'll wait until someone much smarter than me (ie. you) finds the problem ;)

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hatchna:

This is my first time joining this channel so please forgive me if I somehow break proper etiquette, but I'm having some problems getting sound to work properly in Mythtv. I have a Hercules Fortissimo II sound card that I replaced an aging Sound Blaster PCI 128. I'm using a line in port to grab the analog sound, and I know that I'm supposed to mute the line-in in the mixer, and this worked well on my old PCI 128. However, when I mute the line in on t

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hatchna:

he Fortissimo II I get no sound from live tv at all. I have it set as the capture source, but it isn't recording apparently. I'm running out of ideas and need some assistance.

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Anduin:

hatchna: That is what this channel is for, you may have to wait until someone with a similar setup or knowledge sees your message though.

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gremlin190:

<hatchna> do you get audio from mp3s?

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hatchna:

I don't know about mp3's, but I get sound from programs that were previously recorded with the old sound card

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gremlin190:

so your output seem to be working

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gremlin190:

I would verify the jack you are using is the line input

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gremlin190:

what flavor of linux are you on

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Octane:

no update since august? is there something special in the works or something

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hatchna:

I'm using Fedore 8

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GreyFoxx:

Octane: There is usually long time between releases

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hatchna:

I'm fairly certain that I have it plugged into the Line-in. When I unmute the Line input I get sound from live tv, but it's out of sync, and it continues playing after I quit live tv.

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GreyFoxx:

Octane: But there is likely gone to be one soon

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Octane:

GreyFoxx i know i have been using mythtv since 2003 thanks :)

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GreyFoxx:

they you didn;t need to ask the question :)

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GreyFoxx:

considering it was a year before that one in aug :)

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: I don't see the cause (may not be looking out far enough), valgrind? (for mythshutdown)

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: yeah i was passing shutdown thru valgrind before

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clever[rev]:

i'll give it another few passes

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hatchna:

Does the Hercules Fortissimo II support Full Duplex for analog capture?

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gremlin190:

hatchna I dunno, I thought there was a setting in myth to tell it you are recording from an external audio source ???

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gremlin190:

it definetly needs to be unmuted

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gremlin190:

unless you are using a pvr250 or something

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clever[rev]:

Anduin: might take awhile, 1min per pass thru valgrind and it hasnt faulted yet

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Octane:

mythtv needs a fan page on facebook!

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hatchna:

If it's unmuted then I get sound that's out of sync, and continues playing even from the mythtv main menu.

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gremlin190:

<Octane> they said that the end of march was the next release

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Octane:

08?

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gremlin190:

<hatchna> your tuner?

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gremlin190:

yep

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gremlin190:

on the dev mailing list

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hatchna:

I'm using a PCHDTV HD-5500

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gremlin190:

look for removing support for sql 3.#

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gremlin190:

<hatchna> I dunno

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gremlin190:

I didn't think that it would play a tv channle while it's not in use 'playing tv'

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hatchna:

has anyone been successful in getting the HD-5500 to pass the analog audio over the PCI bus? That might also help my problem.

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iamlindoro:

It doesn't do that

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gremlin190:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . ysql;#304388 possible release date?

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gremlin190:

nite everyone looking forward to the fixes greyfoxx TIA

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iamlindoro:

Yech, hate to see a HD 5500 go to waste as a framegrabber

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hatchna:

One reason I got it was to get a card that can grab me analog NTSC now, and be ready to grab my ATSC signals in the future. (I get a crappy community cable deal now with no digital channels.)

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iamlindoro:

Have you tried OTA? Where do you live? What zip?

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gene2:

anyone here using an imon device with their myth setup?

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Plugh:

That's better now. Some manual edits of the recorded database table of MythTV and some file deletions and the database and directory contents match up now.

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gene2:

also, i just noticed (running trunk) that the deinterlacing menu is gone from Mythfrontend->Utilities Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, what happened?

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iamlindoro:

It's in playback profiles, presuming you are running SVN

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hatchna:

I get some OTA ATSC signals, but I'm also getting some channels on the community cable that aren't broadcast OTA. It's simulcast Dish Network to all the units in my complex

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gene2:

running svn

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iamlindoro:

The weird CPU++ stuff that you dhaven't looked into yet ;)

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Plugh:

Got rid of 10% of the disk space that was previously used by old MythTV recorded files that didn't get removed automatically. Possibly due to db upgrades or something since the table had recordid=0 for those "dead" entries.

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gene2:

iamlindoro: that weird CPU++ stuff is it?

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gene2:

I only see recording profiles

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iamlindoro:

In the tv settings->Playback

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iamlindoro:

page three or so

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gene2:

that is that CPU++ stuff, what is it?

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gene2:

used to be deinterlacing menu

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iamlindoro:

You set up "rules" for a given resolution and... argh, I'm not going to explain every little thing. Edit one of the playback profiles and find out

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gene2:

i've tried that

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gene2:

looks odd

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iamlindoro:

Well that's where deinterlacing is, dude

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gene2:

ok

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iamlindoro:

You can even set a fallback deinterlacer now

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gene2:

the thing is, i did edit one of the profiles and I don't see anything what it will use to deinterlace, it only gives me the option for which decoder to use

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iamlindoro:

as well as set deinterlacing per-resolution

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gene2:

hmm

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gene2:

i'll play around with it

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gene2:

have you ever used an imon LCD with myth?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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gene2:

can you give me a hint why out of the 2 lines i have on it, i only get good info on 1

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gene2:

the 2nd one is full of just lit up squares

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iamlindoro:

Probably a misconfigured lcdproc.conf

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gene2:

i have 16x2 set there

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gene2:

and when it displays it's stuff it displays everything on both lines

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iamlindoro:

Dunno then

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gene2:

once i tune to channel, I get channel name on line one, then it changes to program title, and back and forth. while 2nd line is filled with just squares

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gene2:

actually it gets slowly filled

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gene2:

like it looks like its "loading"

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gene2:

like there is an arrow first, then the thing gets filled and it moves on to the next one, until all are field

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gene2:

field=filled

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like it ends up okay then

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gene2:

?

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gene2:

out of 2 lines on my display, i only get info on 1

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iamlindoro:

ah, filled with squared

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gene2:

2nd one is filled with crap

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gene2:

however while myth is idle

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gene2:

i get time and stuff on it

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gene2:

like it has date on line one and time on line 2

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gene2:

as soon as i tune to channel i get crap on line 2

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iamlindoro:

OK, dunno what to tell you, worked fine when I set it up

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gene2:

:(

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gene2:

yea i've been banging my head on this one for a little bit

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gene2:

what do you see on yours when you are tuned to something?

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iamlindoro:

Set it up for someone else... and it depends on what you are doing... sometimes it's a counter, sometimes it's myth navigation stuff

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gene2:

hmm

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gene2:

odd

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gene2:

this is frontend only box that i just built, i dont have imon on backend but it really looks odd

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Toxicity999:

Hmm do the Microsoft MCE receivers have lock in to the device they ship with?

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lwizardl:

Hi

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lwizardl:

can someone help me with setting up a twinhan card for mythtv

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iamlindoro:

gene2: Hey dude... I just realized something... your little block don't appear until you start watching something in myth, right?

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iamlindoro:

Those are the progress bar

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iamlindoro:

try rewinding and watch little blocks disappear :)

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iamlindoro:

Anyone seen trouble in playing using Internal with .mp4 container? Current SVN is failing on every Handbrake produced x.264 MP4 I have... I get a ringbuffer error (fd -1) each time

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iamlindoro:

All others appear to be working fine

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, may just be the filesystem

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dserban_:

Hello everyone.

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dserban_:

I have two questions about DVD playback... One. I am forced to run mplayer to play the DVD's as the internal player seems to make everything blocky and it seems to buffer underrun. By using mplayer, widescreen dvd's don't completely clear the screen. Ie. The top and bottom black strips contain small pieces of the mythtv display which was shown prior to hitting "play dvd". How can I make this go away.. oh... and what outp

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dserban_:

ut should I use for dvd playback via mplayer? I have an accelerated nvidia 6200 running at 800x600 resolution for a standard 4:3 tv.

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dserban_:

ok so that was more than two questions :(

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iamlindoro:

do you have flags -fs -quiet -zoom all in your mplayer line?

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iamlindoro:

and use -vo xv

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dserban_:

aye all those flags are set

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dserban_:

ehh... but I guess I should've stated... that I don't want to use mplayer due to not being able to use the menus...

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dserban_:

For example.. a series disc with 4 episodes.. .can't easily select the right episode

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fryfrog:

use xine instead

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fryfrog:

menu support, ftw?

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dserban_:

will the internal work for my situation?

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dserban_:

s/internal/internal player/

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iamlindoro:

internal will work for most things

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fryfrog:

i've never tried a real dvd with internal player, personally

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, fsck'ing a 2 TB array SUCKS

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dserban_:

hmm then I wonder wth... why it decided that all video must be returned "blocky" and "nasty"

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iamlindoro:

Especially Manually

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iamlindoro:

dserban, have never seen blocky output out of internal

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dserban_:

Hmmm... maybe I'll try it again... since I later found out that libdvdcss2 wasn't installed... but libdvdread3 was... maybe that was an issue... I don't know... I'll have to try it

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fryfrog:

me either :/

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dserban_:

I wish I could describe it better... maybe... imagine a 486 trying to play a huge mpeg (resolution)...

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dserban_:

or... a super high compression ratio on a jpeg image... looks like that...

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iamlindoro:

Dunno what speed would have to do with visual quality

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iamlindoro:

but the second is a better analogy

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dserban_:

heh well it looks blocky because of all the frames it'd have to skip

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dserban_:

I dunno i found it odd.

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iamlindoro:

well it's not normal behavior, anyway... try again

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dserban_:

but anyway, I'll try it with the internal again, it works with menus correct?

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iamlindoro:

correct

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dserban_:

K. Will do. Can I set the setting in some xml file somewhere? (My fiance's watching a dvd right now heh)

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iamlindoro:

It's in the database

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dserban_:

Oh dirty.

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jhulst:

Anybody know of any component frame-grabbers and have any recommendations?

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iamlindoro:

There aren't any for linux

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xris:

jhulst: no recommendations (nothing that works with linux)

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xris:

and capturing analog HD as a frame grabber would take more cpu power than you could likely afford (or physically put into a mythbox)

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iamlindoro:

not to mention HD space

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jhulst:

Hadn't thought of that, thanks

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xris:

would presumably be encoding it to something smaller.. hence the need for the massive nonexistent cpu

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xris:

jhulst: what are you trying to capture?

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iamlindoro:

I'll take HD STB for $500, Alex

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xris:

iamlindoro: yeah, but there are a bunch of different kinds of those...

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xris:

my STB has component connectors on it, but the firewire ones are much easier to interact with

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jhulst:

xris: I'm thinking of ways to run my xbox through my mythbox, I currently have a monitor hooked up to a box and don't have any inputs for component or composite

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iamlindoro:

xris: Yeah, just being a goof

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jhulst:

probably just end up running it composite

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jhulst:

so I need to find a decent framegrabber

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levander:

Any good place to lookup recommended temps for CPU's and graphics cards?

[06:21:25]

iamlindoro:

jhulst: Even a PVR-150 will work fine, but you need to bypass the mpeg-2 encoder AND myth... ie the only way to make it work is to launch mplayer and pipe /dev/video24 into that

[06:22:10]

jhulst:

iamlindoro: yeah, I was hoping to add something that was a little cheaper though

[06:22:30]

iamlindoro:

ok... just so long as you realize you can't use "watch TV" in myth to play games

[06:22:41]

iamlindoro:

It will be several seconds behind

[06:22:54]

blizzow:

I'm having trouble adjusting the picture on my mythbox. I tried the g key and whenever I tap the left or right arrows to adjust it, it shows -1 and won't adjust. Anyone seen this and know how to fix it?

[06:23:05]

jhulst:

iamlindoro: oh really? :)

[06:23:08]

iamlindoro:

yup

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xris:

jhulst: you won't be able to play your xbox through myth.. too much delay during encoding

[06:25:04]

jhulst:

xris: Even with a straight dump to mplayer?

[06:25:12]

xris:

jhulst: that's not mythtv, then. :)

[06:25:20]

iamlindoro:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . 88;list=ivtv This is the only way to do it... a straight dump to mplayer is not using mythtv

[06:25:28]

xris:

but with pvr-150, there's still a .5–1 second delay to encode.. even hardware encoding isn't instant

[06:25:46]

xris:

straight uncompressed framegrabber would work, but you wouldn't do it with mythtv

[06:25:50]

iamlindoro:

xris: unless you use /dev/video32 and bypass the encoder

[06:26:38]

jhulst:

understand, sorry I didn't know how on topic we were supposed to stay, I realize there is a delay in myth, I was planning on adding a menu entry and cutting over to mplayer

[06:27:58]

dserban_:

hmmm interesting... so the output would have to be piped through an input selector to the tv's second video input to do any gaming? ... meh

[06:28:08]

dserban_:

more setup and stupidity :)

[06:28:31]

jhulst:

dserban_: I've used the pvr-150 with my Xbox, it works fine

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iamlindoro:

jhulst: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Bttv . . . %2C_bt878%29 These are all cheap and well supported framegrabbers

[06:29:05]

dserban_:

jhulst... doesn't it auto-encode?

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iamlindoro:

dserban: read above... using /dv/video32 bypasses the encoder

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iamlindoro:

er /dev

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jhulst:

dserban_: See above

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jhulst:

bah, too slow

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jhulst:

iamlindoro: Thanks for the link

[06:30:07]

iamlindoro:

np

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dserban_:

ahh right I did read that, but can you add a selection in mythtv to pipe the data to your display? and .. how do you get out of it?

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iamlindoro:

You just edit the menu xmls and launch whatever you like

[06:31:41]

iamlindoro:

or, alternately, you could do it in MythGame as an "other" player

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jhulst:

A 2.6 ghz dual core athlon x2 should be plenty to use the framegrabber, right?

[06:37:21]

iamlindoro:

yup

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dserban_:

will lirc compile agains kernel 2.6.23?

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Saviq:

dserban_: here's no place for that question

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dserban_:

Indeed my apologies.

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Saviq:

lirc-0.8.2.tar.bz2 released: 09-Jun-2007 supported kernels: 2.6.20, 2.4.28

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Saviq:

dserban_: http://www.lirc.org/faq.html#compilation

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dserban_:

Thanks already got it, it was the kernel version.. Just got the cvs version to go with... thanks.

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MilhousePunkRock:

Hello everyone!

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MilhousePunkRock:

Does using xmvc for SD DVB-T make sense? The downsides I see are a rather ugly b/w OSD and the aspect ratio being wrong as soon as a channel broadcasts in 16:9 (screen is currently a 15" 4:3 TFT, the TV I will use is 4:3 too)

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MilhousePunkRock:

xvmc I meant, of course

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stuarta:

morning all!

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cesman:

hello stuarta

[09:45:35]

cesman:

as stuarta awakes...

[09:45:42]

** cesman should prepare for bed **

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stuarta:

heh.

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stuarta:

good crimbo?

[09:47:10]

Tanthrix:

MilhousePunkRock: Really, the only reason to use XvMC is when you don't have a powerful enough system to handle full software decoding. It tends to be buggy and cause problems overall, so unless you need it, don't use it.

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cesman:

crimbo?

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stuarta:

christmas

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cesman:

it was ok thanks

[09:47:53]

cesman:

and you?

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stuarta:

good thanks.

[09:48:06]

stuarta:

i now require much salad

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MilhousePunkRock:

Tanthrix: Now that is a clear explanation, thanks...

[09:48:28]

Tanthrix:

MilhousePunkRock: Not a problem.

[09:49:41]

edman007:

what is the recommended procedure when switching lineups? (i go between two places a few times a year and i need to switch mythtv to each of the lineups so it gets the right stuff for that location), i usually just go into mysql and start truncating tables with lineup data...is there anything better?

[09:50:03]

stuarta:

perhaps have two data sources

[09:50:09]

MilhousePunkRock:

Next issue: On the remote of my Nova T-500, changing channels works both with the arrow up/down keys, and the ch+/- in the same way, I need to confirm it with OK to actually change channels...

[09:50:16]

stuarta:

only 1 associated with the tuner at any one time

[09:50:37]

Tanthrix:

That sounds like the best idea to me as well. Very simple and straight forward to setup.

[09:51:01]

** stuarta tries to remember the name of the option MilhousePunkRock needs **

[09:51:12]

Tanthrix:

MilhousePunkRock: That's normal behavior. Somewhere in the settings though you can change that to "Change automatically" or some such thing

[09:51:14]

MilhousePunkRock:

What I would want is to zap directly with the ch+/- buttons and browse with the arrow up/down until I click ok

[09:51:38]

MilhousePunkRock:

Tanthrix: But I want both, if that is possible at all...

[09:51:40]

stuarta:

ch+- and arrows are currently mapped to the same action

[09:51:46]

Tanthrix:

MilhousePunkRock: I don't believe that it is, unfortunately.

[09:52:13]

MilhousePunkRock:

Now that will lower the WAF noticeably ;)

[09:52:42]

stuarta:

teach her to browse the guide while watching tv

[09:52:52]

Tanthrix:

MilhousePunkRock: And the option you're looking for is under TV settings, General, "Change immediately without select"

[09:52:55]

stuarta:

better still, teach her how to record what she wants

[09:53:20]

edman007:

stuarta, ok, thanks, i will try that :)

[09:53:50]

MilhousePunkRock:

Tanthrix: I know about that option, but I want both ways at the same time. I already figured it would not be possible. Was hoping I missed something...

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Tanthrix:

MilhousePunkRock: The only way I think it could be done would be with some lirc tricker and modification of the keybindings. Set one as you want it, then unbind the other set, and make lirc pass the up/down AND the enter key when pressed – not sure if that is actually possible though.

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MilhousePunkRock:

Tanthrix: Like Homer Simpson once said: "If something's hard to do, it's not worth doing it" ;) I'll leave it be for the moment as there are more urgent issues to fix before the Myth box can move to the living room...

[09:58:14]

Tanthrix:

Sounds like a good idea to me.

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MilhousePunkRock:

Browsing the mailing list taught me how to switch channels from the EPG and still have the recording menu with OK, so that's fine for the moment. Channel changing is pretty slow compared to our plain cable TV anyway, I hope that's related to the cheap passive antenna/signal strenght though

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Tanthrix:

Someone should write a guide to making Myth wife compatible.

[10:00:06]

stuarta:

it's not often needed

[10:00:16]

stuarta:

unless you have WAF--

[10:00:24]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[10:01:11]

Tanthrix:

Never the less, there are useful things that aren't included with myth to have around for non-techies. Case in point, a "power button" script that can kill / restart myth on the occasions when a crash or something wonky happens

[10:01:34]

MilhousePunkRock:

Tanthrix: The fact that she was preparing dinner while our tv show yesterday already started tempted her a bit, I think. My words: "If the HTPC was already up and running, I could have paused it until you were done" ;)

[10:01:44]

Tanthrix:

And for those of us with network shares, a unmount/remount script. That kind of stuff

[10:02:52]

Tanthrix:

Hell, those things are useful even for non-techies. I hate to get out of bed to deal with those sorts of things, so I have two or three buttons bound on my remote to deal with them.

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MilhousePunkRock:

Tanthrix: Speaking of power button, I will probably need to unload the dvb related modules to have hibernating working, huh? Which probably means that the backend has to be stopped to do so, which means that the frontend will have to be stopped too, in other words, I probably need mythwelcome, don't I?

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Tanthrix:

MilhousePunkRock: To be honest, that's a bit outside my realm of experience. I've never used hibernation support or mythwelcome.

[10:07:25]

MilhousePunkRock:

I'm sure I will find something about it on the mailing list... I need to figure out how I compiled Alsa myself before I reinstalled anyway...

[10:07:49]

Tanthrix:

I'm a "run my systems 24/7" kind of guy for various reasons. If I could get near instant on support reliably, I'd probably use it for my myth box, but I haven't heard great things about linux hibernation support.

[10:08:52]

Tanthrix:

Especially with regards to the WAF, I wouldn't risk it unless you have it setup perfectly without any failures.

[10:09:23]

MilhousePunkRock:

Tanthrix: Those days are in the past, I use hibernate and suspend on my laptop all the time... It does work on the Mythbox too, (at least it did for testing purposes before I had the tuner card), though I need to unload some modules

[10:10:38]

quicksilver:

Is it stupid to get an A/V receiver mostly because I want a decent unified audio/video multiplexer?

[10:10:46]

quicksilver:

I'm not interested in 5.1 sound

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Tanthrix:

MilhousePunkRock: There in lies some of the problems. Myth systems tend to be on the complicated side (IR reciever / tuner modules, etc.) so it isn't as easy to seutp.

[10:11:03]

quicksilver:

but I'd like to be able to switch between listening to CDs, watching DVDs, and watching TV from one remote..

[10:11:39]

MilhousePunkRock:

Tanthrix: A 24/7 machine will be a no-go, as I am running a combined backend/frontend...

[10:11:39]

Tanthrix:

quicksilver: Unless you can find a cheap switch box, I'd say it's probably the way to go. They're common and cheap, and even the bad quality ones should handle switching just fine.

[10:12:06]

quicksilver:

Tanthrix: richer sounds have a half-decent looking denon for 120 quid.

[10:12:06]

Tanthrix:

MilhousePunkRock: Why is that a problem? Noise concerns?

[10:12:18]

MilhousePunkRock:

Tanthrix: Power consumption

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Tanthrix:

MilhousePunkRock: I'm afraid I don't follow. What's that got to do with running a combined backend/frontend ?

[10:13:54]

Tanthrix:

quicksilver: That'd probably do the trick just fine.

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quicksilver:

Tanthrix: thanks

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MilhousePunkRock:

Tanthrix: It does not, actually... My girlfriend won't like the idea of a constant running power hungry P4 anyway, be it in the living room or elsewhere

[10:14:53]

Tanthrix:

MilhousePunkRock: Hehe, ok.

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Freman:

so ummm... I have guide some (not all) data that for half the year is an hour fast... how do I deal with this?

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Tanthrix:

Freman: How exactly do you have a half of year of guide data?

[10:28:44]

Freman:

no no, now that the rest of this country has kicked into daylight savings channels 10 and 7 in hd run half an hour fast

[10:30:19]

Freman:

oh hell, I don't know what's going on... the tvguide has it listed as 8:30 start, my data source has it listed as 8:30 start, but mythtv has it listed as 7:30 start

[10:30:26]

Freman:

but only channels 10 and 7 in hd

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LoneShadow|work:

Anyone using Motorola DCT 3416 with mythtv ?

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rpm_:

xbox frontend users: is there a noticable speed difference between installing to an image file on the fatx file system, and installing to a native partition?

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Freman:

hmmm seems the xml data is comming transposed by an hour for these channels

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Tanthrix:

LoneShadow: I was before Comcast started encrypting my channels. Worked decently, though I did have regular problems with losing the lock. Never really experiemented with channel changing scripts, which I hear can fix those issues.

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Tanthrix:

LoneShadow: I'm off to bed now though. If you have any questions, PM me tomorrow sometime to get my attention – I'm around often.

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stuarta:

justinh: morning

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justinh:

morning stuarta. morning all

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justinh:

oh good. my plugin source still builds against current svn :)

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justinh:

hmmm /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/liblibmythappearance.so not found

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justinh:

I don't remember this being so unfinished. I thought I'd got further than this

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Freman:

hmmm the contrast on my projector appears to be forking up

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Freman:

so.. if I go and grab a hdtv capable projector – do I have to replace any hardware on my myth to work with it? or will the standard vga cable do the job?

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Saviq:

Freman: I'd say DVI is a better option

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Saviq:

VGA will probably get fuzzy with HD signals

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Freman:

heh, so that's a new video card...

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Saviq:

well I won't say it won't work

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blackest:

you could try it out

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Freman:

my current projector does 800x600

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Saviq:

yes, and if it suits you with the vga cable – don't bother

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Freman:

or scaled 1024x768

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Freman:

(currently run it as 800x600)

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Saviq:

will your graphics card support resolutions as high as 1080 at all?

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blackest:

heres one for you i just discovered an old dell its a p3 933mhz machine is it worth rebuilding it?

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Freman:

it's a fairly modern nvidia – so yes

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Freman:

blackest: would make an ok file server (C:

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Saviq:

Freman: well then you'll need to try it out

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Saviq:

and if the quality suits you, fine

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Saviq:

otherwise – do some shopping

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blackest:

yes i guess they are quiet too

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Saviq:

blackest: yes definitely

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Saviq:

would definitely do a fine SD frontend / slave backend

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Freman:

or part of a dvd:rip cluster (c:

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Saviq:

or that

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Freman:

ah, I think I fixed my contrast... now to get in touch with my guide supplier and blast them for being an hour fast

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blackest:

it was a nice find i was about to chuck the bed out that room and found it one of the drawers along with a few other goodies like a massive stack of sdram

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Freman:

on their website the times are right, but in the xml they're fast

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Freman:

blackest: that reminds me of an old joke "I've lost a server, I can ping it, I just can't find it"

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blackest:

i've seen that on bash

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Saviq:

:]

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blackest:

i've got far too many pc's here

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Freman:

I have laying in my lounge room floor a new dual core mythfront/backend waiting on a replacement motherboard (damn supplier sold me an ati)

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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Saviq:

[OT]http://www.tuxick.net/pics/humor/art-of-survival.jpg[/OT]

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blackest:

I have 3 main pc's and a reasonable laptop and also a time machine rebuilt but flakey 3 more that are currently gutted and some where is a couple of laptops and another midi tower (very old has a 5 pin din keyboard connector

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blackest:

i cant use all of em as mythtv boxes

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Saviq:

blackest: depends on how many TVs you have :]

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blackest:

theres somethin like 5 printers 2 or 3 flatbed scanners a couple of huge crts and 1 small one

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blackest:

no make that 2 small crts

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blackest:

and i've run out of relatives to give pc's too

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** Freman hugs his tb of hdd space (c: **

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blackest:

maybe i should start throwing out a few systems

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Freman:

I decomissioned my old cyrix 333 not so long ago

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blackest:

933mhz isnt too shabby thou its better than the flakey 850 mhz time i think

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black_Nightmare_:

freman..heh was it skt7 or older?

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blackest:

maybe i should go for a minimum useable speed

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Freman:

I don't rememmber tbh

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Freman:

I know I could run it in an airconned room without the heatsink

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blackest:

how slow is too slow to be worth using /

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black_Nightmare_:

blackest..depends on several numbers-related factor

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Freman:

I concur

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black_Nightmare_:

eg I've still got a 603e @ 100mhz running from time to time here (no its not x86 type processor :p )

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Freman:

I kept the cyrix running as a mailserver

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Freman:

I only decomissioned it cos the hdd died and I cbf rebuilding on the poor old thing

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** justinh sends his old hardware to Nigeria. they need all the cpu power they can get, no matter how inefficient **

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Freman:

I'm now saving 225 watts of power by running a via epia board as a replacement (c:

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** stuarta chuckles at justinh **

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justinh:

those scam emails don't send themselves ya know :P

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Freman:

justinh: sif they need computers in Nigeria, they infect everyone elses and use them

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stuarta:

nor do they come from nigeria

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blackest:

i guess if i consider thin clients even a p1 at 133 mhz and 48 meg of ram is useable

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justinh:

hmmm. I think next time I tinker with some code I'll try to remember to make an archive of the most finished stuff

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blackest:

whats the slowest you would want for a mythfrontend

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Freman:

depends

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justinh:

1Ghz Intel or AMD. No Via shite

[12:04:54]

Freman:

if it was all transcoded and resized – thre's no reason you couldn't run it much slower

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blackest:

xbox is 750 mhz and useable i guess

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black_Nightmare_:

blackest...probably just at least PII/higher (amd k6 and via 533+ comareable)

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justinh:

usable? HA!

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black_Nightmare_:

<had tried it a bit here

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blackest:

ok 533 then is my limit below that its scrap :)

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justinh:

xbox certainly has a fast enough CPU for the job of playing SDTV & stuff but 32MB RAM is FA

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blackest:

true i dont really bother with the xbox any more

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black_Nightmare_:

blackest.. the PII is below that -_-

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justinh:

I had a good laugh at my sister's xbox 360 trying to play from windows media player the other night. what a crock!

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blackest:

i guess i could even go for diskless if i can find a suitable live cd

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justinh:

why a live cd? just do a regular install & turn it into diskless :)

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blackest:

theres at least 3 cd rom drives i've got lying about

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justinh:

netbooty

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justinh:

live cds take too long to start up IMHO

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blackest:

hmm now there is a good point

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blackest:

i've got a mythbacked with 500 gb on it with about half that free would i need an image per pc /

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blackest:

ok thats xmas break taken care off multiple netbooting dinosaurs :)

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justinh:

woo segfaulty

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justinh:

could not locate 'appearance' in theme 'appearance_'. :-?

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justinh:

ahh :)

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justinh:

now to go on a code pinching rampage

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clever[rev]:

blackest: ive got 3 systems sharing a single root image

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clever[rev]:

blackest: all netbooting and using nfs root

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clever[rev]:

ive also worked up boinc on the netbooters so there idle time can go to a good use

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MilhousePunkRock:

Hello everyone!

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MilhousePunkRock:

Which module will I have to unload to make my Hauppauge Nova-T 500 come back just fine after hibernate?

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** justinh tries to remember how to draw stuff onscreen **

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** stuarta offers crayons **

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** Freman offers whiteboard markers **

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** stuarta offers paint pens **

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justinh:

will paint pens wipe off an LCD monitor ok? :P

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stuarta:

hardly :-P

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opello:

that's what the whiteout is for

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justinh:

ahhh!

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Freman:

ahha

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justinh:

I'm cursing the day I tarred up my work in progress

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justinh:

I put the tarball somewhere nice & safe, then installed a new distro. doh

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Freman:

hehehe

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Freman:

I have several hard disks and a good dozen dvd's like that

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justinh:

which would've been fine, if the tarball was the most recent revision

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Freman:

I'll be buggered if I know what's where but there's several copies of some stuff...

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justinh:

I'll prolly just scrape by with some copy/paste

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Freman:

subversion and grep (c;

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justinh:

something to do with QPixmap (blah etc)

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justinh:

the hellomyth part of the wiki was a great 'leg up' but.. ;)

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Freman:

gah

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Freman:

stupid guide provider

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justinh:

hmmm looks like mythgame doesn't have much in the way of xml parsing I can look at

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justinh:

derrrrrr! that's done somewhere else, not the plugins as such

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justinh:

makes sense now

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Freman:

and to make matters worse, the hybrid data grabber doesn't appear to have made life easier

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justinh:

hack, slash, cut, paste, slash, hack ...

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AndyCap:

justinh: no, you can't patent that.

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** Freman chuckles at channel 7's phone number: 02 8777 7777 **

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stuarta:

nice

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justinh:

mythappearance.cpp:87: error: prototype for âbool MythAppearance::load_pixmap(const QString&, QPixmap&)â does not match any in class âMythAppearanceâ .. gah!

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rushfan:

damn roommate

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rushfan:

he keeps unplugging my HDHomeRun

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stuarta:

use the trout?

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rushfan:

trout?

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stuarta:

!trout roommate

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** MythLogBot slaps roommate with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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rushfan:

ahh

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rushfan:

!trout roommate

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** MythLogBot slaps roommate with a trout on behalf of rushfan... **

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rushfan:

good enough

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stuarta:

however nobody has yet given the bot a cattle prod :(

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rushfan:

stuarta: I was thinking hijacking the coaxial cable to my PC and broadcasting gay porn on it

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rushfan:

so when he unplugs it and plugs it into his tv, he'll see that

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stuarta:

if that floats your boat

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** justinh hands rushfan an RF modulator **

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stuarta:

do you not have a cable splitter?

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rushfan:

stuarta: I do, but isnt bad to split the cable twice?

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iamlindoro_:

Whoah, whoah, let's not let sanity get in the way here

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justinh:

.. then reminisces about modifying a video sender & boosting its output to 20 watts

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rushfan:

Cause I havce to use one cable splitter to connect both inputs on the HDHomeRun

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rushfan:

so two cable splitters would = really weak signal, no?

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stuarta:

rushfan: well you'll always lose a bit of signal strength

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AndyCap:

rushfan: there are amps available

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AndyCap:

stuarta: half of it.

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stuarta:

try it and see

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justinh:

spend $30 on a reasonable amplified splittay ;)

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stuarta:

AndyCap: is cable that crap

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justinh:

stuarta: depends on the tech who installed it

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rushfan:

stuarta: yeah

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stuarta:

did it with terrestrial aerial with bugger all degredation

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stuarta:

did it myself :)

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rushfan:

Since this thing is ethernet I should plug it into the basement where signal if optimal

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rushfan:

but I already have 1 100ft ethernet cable running down to the basement. two is a bit many

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stuarta:

spose it's a completely different freq range

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AndyCap:

stuarta: uh. what happens when you put a tee on a hose? :P

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stuarta:

AndyCap: RF signals aren't water :-P

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justinh:

stuarta: helps when you live within spitting distance of the mast ;)

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stuarta:

justinh: well yeah :)

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justinh:

you could prolly put a jewellers screwdriver in the aerial socket & get a good signal

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justinh:

ish

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stuarta:

iirc i did get ch5 on a loop aerial

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justinh:

right, I know I've made a schoolboy error in this code but my head's a shed & I can't see it. I'll look at it again later

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fryfrog:

why don't you put a switch down in the basement... 1 line, 2 or more devices?

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justinh:

I'm also doing something I detest in a plugin – i.e. hard coding image filenames

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stuarta:

switch is what? $10

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rushfan:

How fast is wireless N?

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stuarta:

don't bothe

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stuarta:

r

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stuarta:

too much hassle

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rushfan:

Fast enough for HD video?

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fryfrog:

fast enough, but... reliable enough? probably not :/

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iamlindoro_:

rushfan, yes, I have had decent results... 54g is no good, but have managed to make n work ok

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iamlindoro_:

To be more specific, that's with a wired backend and 802.11n client (Mac OS X)

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rushfan:

iamlindoro_: yeah

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rushfan:

granted I doubt N has good, if any, linux compatibility

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iamlindoro_:

There are a very few supported chipsets... but I can't speak to their reliability or anything else, since my n devices ar OS X

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eaglehawk:

ok, i've been searching for this answer for 2 or 3 days now. I'm trying to get a slave be/remote fe running. I can see the recordings in media library -> Watch Recordings. However I cannot watch them or see the thumbnails as I get:

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eaglehawk:

2007-12–27 11:02:51.031 Error: File 'myth://192.168.5.150:6543/1173_20071225221400.mpg' missing.

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iamlindoro_:

eaglehawk, why don't you pastebin both backend logs to pastebin.ca

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LoneShadow:

Tanthrix: are you there ?

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AL13N:

anyone planning on mouse overlay support (for wiimotes)

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AL13N:

and having hidemouse as parameter 2

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AL13N:

as in, appearing whenever moving

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AL13N:

and the items should have overlay support, ie: lighting up when the cursor moves over it

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eaglehawk:

iamlindoro, http://pastebin.ca/833803

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fryfrog:

eaglehawk: can you describe your setup?

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fryfrog:

nfs/etc?

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iamlindoro_:

I see the problem

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iamlindoro_:

From slave backend log: #

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iamlindoro_:

2007-12–27 07:43:09.406 Connecting to master server: 127.0.0.1:6543

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iamlindoro_:

eaglehawk, Your master backend needs it's actual ip set in mythtv-setup, General settings page 1... no 127.0.0.1 anywhere

[17:24:24]

iamlindoro_:

likewise for the slave backend, same page, master backend needs to be set to correct IP, "This backend" needs to be set to slave's IP.

[17:24:52]

iamlindoro_:

Slave is trying to connect to master backend at 127.0.0.1... and that'll never work

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WindowSmasher:

Hey all. Any word lately on an rss plugin that supports torrent downloads?

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justinh:

of course not

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iamlindoro_:

No... there used to be a mythtorrent but it hasn't been updated in many releases

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WindowSmasher:

Yeah I hear that it doesn't work in myth .20

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iamlindoro_:

and was not an official plugin anyway

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WindowSmasher:

Rude

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AndyCap:

that sounds borderline illegal

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WindowSmasher:

Everything today is borderline illegal

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iamlindoro_:

How was answering your questions rude?

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WindowSmasher:

You fart in public, it's borderline offensive / harassment / illegal

[17:28:11]

WindowSmasher:

No no you

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GreyFoxx:

There will be no official torrent client of any kind in the forseeable future. Otherwise noidea what's out there :)

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WindowSmasher:

I meant Rude that we don't have a plug-in haha

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justinh:

I'm sure torrents have legal uses, I just have no idea what for beyond stuff not worth watching and non-video stuff

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WindowSmasher:

Meh

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WindowSmasher:

Well thanks all. Hope I wasn't too abrasive in my comments. I appreciate the quick responses

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WindowSmasher:

I'm trying to divert my boss from installing XP on a tv box

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WindowSmasher:

He says it has a plugin that does what torrentocracy used to do

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justinh:

he can go get that then

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iamlindoro_:

almost every torrent client has an RSS plugin

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justinh:

I'm all for people using linux but hey if they want to go with windows, let em

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iamlindoro_:

including many/most of those on linux

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WindowSmasher:

Apparently justinh, you're not on the oss bandwagon

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WindowSmasher:

thanks iamlindoro

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justinh:

why? because I don't want companies profiting from some of my work? that'd be my perogative

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WindowSmasher:

Yeah cuz money is everything. Forget principle

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justinh:

since I heard tvease went down the tubes I'm considering going back to GPL licenses

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jams:

tvease went away?

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WindowSmasher:

grrr bankrupt

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iamlindoro_:

Holy crap! "For those of you with outstanding orders, request a refund from your credit card company???"

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iamlindoro_:

That dude is *begging* to be sued

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justinh:

anyway there are still other ways I contribute and continue to do so

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rushfan:

mm

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rushfan:

incense rocks

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rushfan:

iamlindoro_: who is doing that?

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rushfan:

It spretty assinine

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iamlindoro_:

http://store02.prostores.com/servlet/tvease/StoreFront

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justinh:

rushfan: tvease, a company who made 5 or 6 ready configured mythtv boxes

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rushfan:

5 or 6?

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rushfan:

heh

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WindowSmasher:

I agree with you justinh, to an extent. If people want something, they have a right to go out and get it.

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rushfan:

Im trying to set-up GB-PVR for my bro

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rushfan:

Biggest PITA ever.

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justinh:

rushfan: isn't it ;)

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rushfan:

Anyone who says Windows > Linux for a media pc is on rack

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rushfan:

justinh: Im about to try a sagetv free trial because I dont have the patience to deal with gbpvr

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WindowSmasher:

I look at the OSS movement as a battle for a good cause

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justinh:

try mediaportal next. you can get through the setup menus in about 30 seconds & still not be any the wiser

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WindowSmasher:

It's something I believe in

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rushfan:

Oh I see. The dude filed bankruptcy. What grounds did he file bankruptcy on?

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rushfan:

And thats always really shady to get rid of all your contact info when you take your company down

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rushfan:

scamster

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rushfan:

justinh: you mean its just as bad

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rushfan:

?

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WindowSmasher:

No Gates isn't Darth Vader and I'm not Luke Skywalker. I just try to do what I think is right. At the end of the day, I feel better for it. I try to promote without being evangelical. The line becomes blurred at times

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rushfan:

justinh: I looked at mediaportal online. I dont think it supports QAM.

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rushfan:

I got analog working with GB-PVR but still not QAm.

[17:37:19]

rushfan:

nOw with my mythtv + Hdhomerun it works flawlessly :D

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justinh:

I've never said I hate freedom. and just because some of my work is licenced under the Creative Commons bit I hope people don't get the wrong impression either

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WindowSmasher:

No no, not at all. I thank everyone for their input. Have a blast today!

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WindowSmasher:

Make today count!

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** xris politely reminds people that "torrent" talk of anything other than its use to distrubute FOSS software (which is off topic, anyway) is not allowed in this channel. **

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** WindowSmasher does a jig and reminds xris that it's not that big of a deal.... BYE! **

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rushfan:

who was talking about torrents?

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xris:

the guy who just left

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rushfan:

Oh

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rushfan:

I missed something :|

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iamlindoro_:

I hate people who want to talk about doing the right thing and the most righteous thing they can think of is promoting free software

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rushfan:

but yeah for $80 sagetv better be amazing.

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rushfan:

iamlindoro_: yeah really

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iamlindoro_:

Steams me up but good

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iamlindoro_:

When you've fought some dude high on PCP at three in the morning, we'll talk about doing the right thing

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rushfan:

who did that?

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iamlindoro_:

Me

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rushfan:

cop?

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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rushfan:

or just innocent bystander?

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rushfan:

Ahh.

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rushfan:

I need a cd rack

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clever[rev]:

xris: you there?

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xris:

here but working (not paying much attention)

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eaglehawk:

thanks iamlindoro_ it worked..

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iamlindoro_:

eaglehawk, glad it's sorted, no problem

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mgpaulus:

I'm on stable, and when I try to do a recording delete, the recording doesn't seem to delete. Is there a way I can force the recordings to delete now, instead of wait for whatever auto-expire/delete process runs to remove them?

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siXy:

mgpaulus: they should be deleted. check your logs, and check if the file is actually on disk. also, if running ext3 deletion may take a few moments

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mgpaulus:

recordings are on a jfs partition. log shows DELETE_RECORDING{}....

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mgpaulus:

BACKEND_MESSAGE{}:{}RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE{}:{}empty

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mgpaulus:

then a bunch of UpRef,DownRef

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mgpaulus:

then a BACKEND_MESSAGE{}:{}RECORDING_OIST_CHANGE[]:[]empty.

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mgpaulus:

but the file is still there, and is still in the list of recorded shows.

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mgpaulus:

not quite sure how to interpret the log

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mgpaulus:

hmmm. maybe I need to change my loglevel. right now it's --verbose all,nofile

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rsp2k:

check permissions on the recorded files/recording directory. make sure the group has permissions if necessary.

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mgpaulus:

drwxrwxrwx 2 mythtv mythtv 28672 Dec 27 10:41 recordings/

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justinh:

oh noes. have to watch Dr Phoo later :(

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siXy:

hehe :)

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jams:

GreyFoxx- did the changer show up under the tree?

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VolVE:

hey all, I've been reading through docs and such but can't confirm; are x264 Matroska files able to be seeked in 0.20.2 ?

[20:56:35]

iamlindoro_:

From what I have heard, basically no. Whatever seeking there is is poor to nonexistent

[20:56:40]

iamlindoro_:

on MKVs, that is

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VolVE:

right

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VolVE:

nuts, the forum post I found said the same thing, except it was from Sept 2006... hoped it had been fixed by now :-/

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iamlindoro_:

I know there are guys in here who use internal for everything except MKVs, and that running SVN

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iamlindoro_:

er that's

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VolVE:

running svn?

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** VolVE is new to myth **

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iamlindoro_:

current code, newer than .20.2

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VolVE:

oh, gotcha

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Plugh:

MKV's?

[21:09:15]

iamlindoro_:

Matroska-- a container format for video files

[21:09:24]

iamlindoro_:

MKV is the extension of said container

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fryfrog:

VolVE: MKV doesn't work even in svn head, just setup mplayer to play them, it works super-fantastic

[21:10:02]

iamlindoro_:

It's about the lowest overhead container format right now, and supports chapters and a few other nice features, it's quite popular

[21:11:17]

Saviq:

iamlindoro_: lowest overhead?

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Saviq:

that I didn't know

[21:11:35]

iamlindoro_:

takes up the least space for the container itself

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Saviq:

dou you know 'bout processing?

[21:12:52]

Saviq:

though it should probably be tied – lower overhead = less data to process

[21:13:01]

iamlindoro_:

processing power required for a container format is trivial, all that matters are the codecs played

[21:13:26]

Saviq:

isn't the overhead trivial?

[21:13:27]

iamlindoro_:

something being in a given container doesn't change processing power in any way you would notice it... the codecs of the tracks do

[21:13:48]

Saviq:

like how much of the complete file would the container use?

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iamlindoro_:

It's calculated by length of video

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iamlindoro_:

# of frames * 0.013 = overhead in Kb

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Saviq:

tha't's for .mkv?

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iamlindoro_:

No, it's for reel to reel

[21:15:17]

iamlindoro_:

yes, for MKV

[21:18:09]

iamlindoro_:

If you have questions about it, I suggest reading http://www.matroska.org/technical/index.html

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VolVE:

fryfrog: super-duper-fantastic? :) is setting up mplayer integration hard?

[21:37:38]

Plugh:

Is there a way to record and have it ignore the TV Guide information? I want to record a long session of video (about 5 or so hours long). I don't want MythTV breaking it up in to segments.

[21:38:45]

fryfrog:

VolVE: nah, mythvideo allows usse of any external player for any extention.

[21:38:57]

bradd:

Plugh: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual: . . . ustom_Record

[21:39:01]

fryfrog:

the only "hard" part is getting your lircrc file to match nicely with myth

[21:39:05]

fryfrog:

(and mplayer)

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Plugh:

SOmething like a "one touch record" button found on most VCR and DVD recorders would be nice.

[21:39:11]

Plugh:

bradd: ok, thanks.

[21:39:47]

bradd:

you probably want "manual schedule"

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Plugh:

This is not something I'm "scheduling". I will be recording video fed in on channel 3 of my TV tuner card. I want the recording to start when I hit a "record" button and keep going until I say stop.

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** Plugh takes a closer look at the "custom record" information on the web page **

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fryfrog:

Plugh: are you using a PVR150/ type card?

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Plugh:

fryfrog: yes

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fryfrog:

"cat /dev/video0 > /path/to/file.name"

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fryfrog:

done

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** xand slaps virgin1... now they're having the "on next" rubbish over the end of the program, not just the credits :S **

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Plugh:

Hmm.... Why didn't I think of that. I was experimenting with that when I was first trying to find a program that would let me watch TV before I found MythTV was about the only one that worked. :-)

[21:43:18]

bradd:

Plugh...but dont forget to tune to channel 3 first...

[21:43:20]

fryfrog:

yar, the pvr150 type cards are pretty easy

[21:43:30]

Plugh:

bradd: Of course. :-)

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fryfrog:

you'd need to do a little setup work with the ivtv's tune scripts

[21:43:40]

fryfrog:

i'd *try* and use rca if you can though

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fryfrog:

instead of tuning channel 3

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fryfrog:

you could easily write a script that does the work, then setup an irexec entry for it

[21:44:19]

fryfrog:

make yourself a stop/start button on your remote if you want

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Plugh:

fryfrog: That would be better. I'd have to move some equipment around so I could use the RCA inputs on the computer. Never used the RCA in's on the computer yet so I would have to do test things first.

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Plugh:

fryfrog: ivtv-tune -c 3 switches to channel 3 nicely. I was using that to change channels in the beginning while using the cat /dev/video0 trick.

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i3ooi3oo:

fryfrog: hey

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i3ooi3oo:

you around?

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fryfrog:

i3ooi3oo: sure am, what can i do for you?

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i3ooi3oo:

just wantedt o let you know that i send 35.00 through paypal

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i3ooi3oo:

figured 5 should cover average shipping

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fryfrog:

yeah, can't imagine it'd be more than that

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fryfrog:

I should be able to send it out tomorow

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i3ooi3oo:

figured i would get it to you b efore your 1/2 day

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fryfrog:

i have friday entirely off! :)

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i3ooi3oo:

damn u

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i3ooi3oo:

i see you are in GA

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i3ooi3oo:

nice CFL here

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fryfrog:

Central Florida?

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i3ooi3oo:

yep

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i3ooi3oo:

orlando right now

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fryfrog:

should get there quick then!

[22:33:40]

i3ooi3oo:

true

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fryfrog:

any objection to USPS?

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i3ooi3oo:

nope

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i3ooi3oo:

well i just got off work so time to get out of here

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fryfrog:

okay :)

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fryfrog:

i'll email you when i send it out :)

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EnderTheThird:

So my cousin's old ass computer (4–5+ years) had a TV tuner in it. I plugged it into the new computer and tried it out with MythTV... BAM, no trouble at all!

[23:16:03]

Freman:

if it's old, linux loves it (c:

[23:16:14]

fryfrog:

hahaha

[23:16:17]

xand:

unless it's ISA

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fryfrog:

no wai, linux <3 isa too!

[23:16:28]

xand:

:|

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fryfrog:

you just probably want to use like... RH5 :p

[23:16:36]

EnderTheThird:

Heh, pretty much. I was telling my brother about that because I remember him having an older tuner as well.

[23:16:36]

fryfrog:

or 2

[23:16:49]

EnderTheThird:

And with Windows, I'd have had to find out the model number, driver, and software to use the damned thing.

[23:16:57]

xand:

old tuner = no dvb :(

[23:17:31]

xand:

I had three old analog tuner cards that I ebayed

[23:17:34]

EnderTheThird:

In my experience, Linux is way better with plug-and-play drivers and whatnot.

[23:17:45]

xand:

EnderTheThird: it is unless the hardware is really new

[23:17:51]

fryfrog:

Well, mainly because everything is a module and comes with the system.

[23:18:04]

fryfrog:

really new and the maker doesn't like linux :)

[23:18:07]

EnderTheThird:

xand: yeah, brand new stuff can take a little bit sometimes

[23:18:35]

EnderTheThird:

Heh, yeah, like those brand new nVidia cards, but I think I remember reading that the Linux support for their 8 series cards was better than for Vista!

[23:18:39]

xand:

don't think i have anything that flat-out won't work in linux though

[23:18:55]

xand:

my 8600 works fine

[23:19:12]

xand:

nvidia provide the drivers and installation instructions for linux

[23:19:21]

EnderTheThird:

My Harmony didn't, but there was a Sourceforge project going that I can use now. It's CLI, but I don't mind. If I hated it that much, I could do a GUI for it, heh.

[23:19:47]

xand:

harmony?

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fryfrog:

wow, there is a harmony cli programmer?

[23:19:58]

EnderTheThird:

xand: Yeah, I have been having problems with nvidia lately though. My BE doesn't use the driver on bootup. I have to kill gdm, reinstall the driver (which it says is installed), then restart gdm. It's very weird.

[23:20:10]

EnderTheThird:

Logitech Harmony, the all-in-one remote, yeah.

[23:20:17]

fryfrog:

what sort of stuff can you do?

[23:20:25]

fryfrog:

is it more low level than the... windows gui thing?

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EnderTheThird:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/harmonycontrol/

[23:20:27]

xand:

my backend doesn't have X on it

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fryfrog:

thanks

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EnderTheThird:

You use the web interface, then just upload the setup file to the remote.

[23:20:46]

fryfrog:

oh

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xand:

o.O

[23:20:55]

fryfrog:

so it is a flasher basically

[23:21:03]

xand:

it might when i find a video card that I can get working with my crappy old tv :|

[23:22:18]

EnderTheThird:

Yeah, nothing too crazy, but that's all it really needs to be.

[23:22:37]

EnderTheThird:

Logitech's web GUI is fine and makes the setup great. I just didn't have a way to update my damned remote, ha.

[23:23:18]

fryfrog:

I have their program installed on my laptop, i knew it was "web" based, but didn't know you could do the same thing in a browser

[23:23:22]

AndyCap:

if logitech had any sense they'd have made them as usb-masstorage files which could read an updatefile downloaded from the website. :)

[23:23:24]

fryfrog:

I recently made my xbox1 totally awesome :)

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EnderTheThird:

You just gave me an awesome idea. I should so but XBMC on my cousin's old XBox so he can still have his desktop instead of hiding it in the living room.

[23:24:50]

EnderTheThird:

XBMC can do Myth FE, can't it? I've never used it.

[23:25:06]

fryfrog:

Never tried, but I hear so

[23:25:09]

fryfrog:

no HD though

[23:25:18]

fryfrog:

I stole my friends XIR Easy Pro and put it in my xbox

[23:25:24]

fryfrog:

lets you turn on/off xbox via IR

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, no way with HD I know, but he only does SD analog

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

i think you can do linux + myth

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fryfrog:

or you can use the Myth XBMC scripts, perhaps

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justinh:

there are snags to both ways IMHO

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justinh:

1. linux on the xbox sucks because it has so little ram

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justinh:

2. XBMC + xbmcmythtv python scripts have a tendency to crash. at least when you're in XBMC a reboot is fast

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kmyth:

is there a way to modify existing or create your own dvd menu themes for mytharchive?

[23:28:02]

EnderTheThird:

kmyth: there's probably a way, but i'll be damned as to what that way is, lol

[23:28:08]

justinh:

kmyth: edit the xml files in /usr/share/mythtv/mytharchive IIRC

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kmyth:

hehe

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kmyth:

thanks

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justinh:

same format as dvdauthor I think

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kmyth:

now i just need to find the curb your enthusiasm theme song

[23:28:58]

justinh:

anyway I expect all the mytharchive goodies will be in mythtv's shared dir, wherever it lives on your box

[23:29:48]

justinh:

you mean you don't like the lift music that comes with mytharchive? :-O

[23:30:14]

justinh:

lift/soft porn soundtrack music

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kmyth:

it reminds me of being in an elevator

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kmyth:

the compact menu is the most tolerable

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justinh:

I still keep meaning to make some new dvd intro videos

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kmyth:

im lazy ill just switch it to silence

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kmyth:

funky1 and funky2 are hilarious

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EnderTheThird:

take it easy all. time to waste some of these Best Buy gift cards on HD DVDs. Buy 2 get 1 free. WOO!

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justinh:

heh when I first heard them I suddenly remembered that 'funky' doesn't always mean in a nice way :P

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LoneShadow:

Tanthrix: are you there ?

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Widget:

'lo

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Widget:

i'm trying to get rid of the tearing xine gets on the screen playing DVDs, and trying to work out why I don't have this problem in mythtv

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Widget:

neither are deinterlacing

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BULLE:

vsync

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BULLE:

simple solution, just use the mythtv dvd playback thingy instead ?

[23:42:51]

xand:

I wish to complain

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xand:

mythtv gives me too many programs to watch!

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xand:

:P

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Saviq:

yeah, me too – I don't have the time to watch them all ;]

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xand:

too easy to record stuff

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xand:

with mythweb i can do it from anywhere ;)

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BULLE:

you also have auth expire feature, so no problem!

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xand:

I don't use that

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xand:

not yet anyway, haven't run out of space :)

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Widget:

mythdvd's menu handling isn't as good as xine's, otherwise I would

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Widget:

all the vsync options I can find are turned on

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BULLE:

time to ask some xine channel or xine mailingslist then

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Widget:

and double check that it doesn't happen in mythdvd. doesn't happen in mythtv though

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Widget:

they use the same video display settings, the myth* modules?

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Widget:

ta for the help

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