Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, December 26th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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rushfan:

bloody hel, this time the scan brought up 0 channels

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rushfan:

wtf

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rushfan:

Im about to smack this dog gone thing

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EnderTheThird:

rushfan: you're in the US, right?

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rushfan:

Yes

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rushfan:

Last time I ran it the QAM channels came up

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EnderTheThird:

antenna or through cable?

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EnderTheThird:

you have QAM-256 selected along with Cable, right?

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rushfan:

cabke

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rushfan:

cable*

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rushfan:

yes

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rushfan:

I tried scanning QAM-64 too but I didnt think that would bring up many results

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: I could try not using the cable splitter perhaps :|

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EnderTheThird:

try again, maybe it defaulted to something else during the most recent scan

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Sedorox:

does the splitter support upto 1–2ghz?

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EnderTheThird:

rushfan: shouldn't make much of a difference. digital signals are pretty much either there or not. splitter shouldn't kill it quite yet

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rushfan:

Ok

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rushfan:

Am I likely to get any QAM-64 channels?

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rushfan:

Sedorox: let me check

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iamlindoro:

Your cable company either modulates on one or the other, not both

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rushfan:

5–900mhz

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rushfan:

Sedorox: is that too low?

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Sedorox:

isn't QAM above 1ghz?

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iamlindoro:

qam-256 is by far the most common

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rushfan:

Sedorox: that could be it. Cause neither of my cards are working right now :|

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rushfan:

but I cant find that info on googl

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iamlindoro:

I think it's up to 850

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iamlindoro:

but It's been a loooong while

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rushfan:

oh, well my splitter goes up to 900hz

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Sedorox:

I don't know if thats it.. but I don't think it would hurt to try it without the splitter

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rushfan:

ok

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Sedorox:

looks like its 600–700mhz range

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rushfan:

so then a 900mhz splitter oughta be fine :|

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iamlindoro:

65–850 is QAM

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Sedorox:

should be

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iamlindoro:

yeah, should be okay

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rushfan:

then what is wrong with this damn thing :| !!

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rushfan:

I thought these HDHomeRuns were supposed to work great. Not this one :(

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rushfan:

oh well I'll try mythbuntu next

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Sedorox:

I'll probably be trying the HD/Digital route next :/

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iamlindoro:

Might as well try to get a signal on windows, if they have win software

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iamlindoro:

and since you're toying with a windows box anyway

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iamlindoro:

but the HDHomeRun pings alright and all that?

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rushfan:

Yes

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rushfan:

iamlindoro_: well the windows box has an HVR-1600

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rushfan:

But that didnt work either. wtf

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rushfan:

See, an hour ago I was able to scan QAM channels with the HDHomeRun

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rushfan:

Mythtv just decided to tell me all my tuenrs were suddenly unavailable

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iamlindoro:

rushfan: it's far more likely that the problem is simple and there is some sort of basic setting that's wrong than your hardware is horribly out of whack

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EnderTheThird:

ockham's razor, heh

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iamlindoro:

Of course, it may well be, but best to start with basics :)

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: yeah thast why I completley wiped mythtv's database and started over

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iamlindoro:

yeah, but that just tells you the problem may not be with Myth :)

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rushfan:

yeah

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rushfan:

channels were detected this time

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rushfan:

hels yeah

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iamlindoro:

Would still be worth it to try their software from command line/mplayer/kaffeine/whatever and see if you can get anything

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iamlindoro:

hmm, any changes to settings?

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iamlindoro:

Also, anything complex or strange about your network between the myth box and the HDHomeRun?

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iamlindoro:

Might be worth it to do a crossover between the two devices and see if it makes it more reliable... no hubs in use on the networks, switches only? Crap router? Bad cabling?

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rushfan:

Just a router.

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rushfan:

The device pings fine

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: nothing strange

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iamlindoro:

to clarify, I mean you want only switches and no hubs

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rushfan:

I dont have a switch :|

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rushfan:

just a hub

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iamlindoro:

hub bad

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iamlindoro:

switch good

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rushfan:

2007-12–25 19:01:17.475 HDHRChan(ffffffff/0): device found at address 10.0.0.8

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rushfan:

2007-12–25 19:08:23.327 HDHRChan(ffffffff/0): device found at address 10.0.0.8

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rushfan:

Wait, does hub = router?

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iamlindoro:

no

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rushfan:

Oh... I have a router. thats it

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iamlindoro:

router = router

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rushfan:

Computer and tuner plug into same router

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iamlindoro:

hub = hub :)

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rushfan:

both ethernet

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iamlindoro:

okay... could still be a crap router

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iamlindoro:

anyway, let's see how it goes this time, hopefully works better

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iamlindoro:

if not, it would be worth it to go crossover from one to the other and cut out the whole network just to reduce the points of failure

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rushfan:

this could be an issue

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rushfan:

According to the HDHomeRun setup page, I just tell it that the channels are seperated by period or w/e

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EnderTheThird:

Wow surface scans take forever. :-/

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rushfan:

But mythtv says "Adding WKYC-HD 3–1 as 3.1 on QAM-256 Channel 104"

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EnderTheThird:

rushfan: that's what I get too

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iamlindoro:

That's normal

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iamlindoro:

And you can set the delimiter

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rushfan:

Ok

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rushfan:

ok, lets give htis a gos

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rushfan:

I start the backend, then run mythfilldatabase, right?

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iamlindoro:

either order on those

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iamlindoro:

can run mythfilldatabase any time

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iamlindoro:

before or after backend starts

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rushfan:

So for the TV format in general

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rushfan:

I can only choose between NTSC and ATSC :|

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rushfan:

what do I pick?

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iamlindoro:

given the choice, ATSC

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rushfan:

ok

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rushfan:

will I still be able to watch NTSC though?

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EnderTheThird:

I think I have NTSC on mine, and I can do OTA/QAM and cable just fine

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rushfan:

And I forget if I have to configure mythfilldatabase at all

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EnderTheThird:

mythfilldatabase will just use the listings you setup in mythtv-setup, for schedulesdirect.org

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iamlindoro:

You need to read up on what those terms mean... ntsc is just standard def broadcast, the format and frequency... ATSC is all hi def and lower formats, and includes a standard def component

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rushfan:

Hmm

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iamlindoro:

so the question doesn't really mean much, you see?

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rushfan:

mythfilldatase cant connect

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EnderTheThird:

to the backend?

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iamlindoro:

rushfan: you have listings set up?

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: no

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iamlindoro:

'cause mythfilldatabase won't do a damn thing with nothing to log into

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rushfan:

oh ok then

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iamlindoro:

heh, where do you expect it to fill the database from? :)

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iamlindoro:

magic?

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iamlindoro:

;)

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: yes :P

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iamlindoro:

would be nice

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rushfan:

no I thought mybe it was populating the database w/ the set-up stuff

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iamlindoro:

and cheap

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iamlindoro:

nope

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rushfan:

so I dont nee dit for now if I odnt care about the listings right now

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rushfan:

i just want to see some QAM

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rushfan:

are you f-ing kidding me

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rushfan:

It cant connect to the backend now

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rushfan:

even though the backend is running

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rushfan:

:(

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rushfan:

wtf

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iamlindoro:

haha, dude... calm down. Myth setup is not easy

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EnderTheThird:

got the right IPs set up?

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iamlindoro:

that's why only sexy bitches like us do it

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EnderTheThird:

if you're using everything on the same machine, just use localhost or 127.0.0.1

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iamlindoro:

probably a mysql.txt config issue

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rushfan:

It cliams I didnt set the backend ip in the general settings

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EnderTheThird:

don't bother with your actual LAN IP unless you're using multiple FE/BEs

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: well Im not but now Ill do that

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rushfan:

its nog ood if it doesnt even work on this machine for right now

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EnderTheThird:

yeah, if nothing else it helps you narrow down the problem, heh

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rushfan:

I still dont have a schedulesdirect subscription :o

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rushfan:

but now that I have QAM my scrubber wont cut it anymore, so I better get one

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rushfan:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP. Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page of the general settings. --> I did do that

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rushfan:

so why isnt it working?

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iamlindoro:

callllllm

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rushfan:

(Thats from my log when I do /etc/init.d/mythbackend start btw)

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rushfan:

Im going to kill this thing.

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iamlindoro:

whatever user you are running frontend as, go to ~/.mythtv

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iamlindoro:

and edit mysql.txt

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iamlindoro:

It's probably all an issue there

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iamlindoro:

oh, hang on

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iamlindoro:

just a small amendment, since you said that's from trying to run backend

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EnderTheThird:

or if you're shy when it comes to editing text files like that (pretty straightforward in this case), you can just check mythtv-setup. it should be in the general tab

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EnderTheThird:

pretty sure .mythtv/mysql.txt is only for the FE

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iamlindoro:

whatever user is running backend (probably root for ubuntu) then check *their* mysql.txt, which should be /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: nope

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: I checked there

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EnderTheThird:

handles all of em? cool beans. I haven't touched those files in awhile, heh

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EnderTheThird:

thank you static DHCP routing via DD-WRT, heh

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iamlindoro:

yep, is used for front and back, but most people have different users running each no never have to deal

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rushfan:

no luck

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** rushfan is ready to cry **

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rushfan:

heh

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iamlindoro:

er so never have to deal with the one relevant to backend

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rushfan:

Why is gentoo being so evil

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, who is running mythbackend

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iamlindoro:

or rather, attempting to

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EnderTheThird:

I hear Gentoo isn't the most kind sometimes, heh

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EnderTheThird:

check /etc/group (I think that's the file). you should be listed with the myth group

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: I am

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rushfan:

it used to work fine

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: root

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rushfan:

or maybe user mythtv :|

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rushfan:

dunno

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rushfan:

I never had to edit mysql.txt before :|

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iamlindoro:

ok, so go to /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt, and pastebin it, editing out passwords as appropriate

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rushfan:

it used to be mythtv and mythtv worked fine

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iamlindoro:

or you may look at it and go, holy shit, this isn't my mysql user and password

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EnderTheThird:

heh

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rushfan:

http://monoport.com/6123

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rushfan:

I set the username to root and set my root password

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rushfan:

to no avail

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EnderTheThird:

you recreated as mysql db after deleting the old one, right?

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: yes

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iamlindoro:

ok... try to connect to mythconverg from command line

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iamlindoro:

mysql -uroot -p mythconverg

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iamlindoro:

put in roots mysql password and see how that goes

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EnderTheThird:

space after -u though

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

not necessary

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rushfan:

It works fine

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EnderTheThird:

oh? pay no attention to the man behind the curtain then

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iamlindoro:

ok

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iamlindoro:

so minimally we know the user and pass are correct

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iamlindoro:

ok, so instead of starting mythbackend as a script

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iamlindoro:

do a:

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iamlindoro:

mythbackend -d

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iamlindoro:

and see what happens, pastebinning output or errors as appropriate

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rushfan:

Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page of the general settings.

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rushfan:

wtf, I did that

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iamlindoro:

ok, go back into mythtv-setup

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rushfan:

you run mythtv-setup as user right?

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iamlindoro:

and bring up the first page of general settings

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iamlindoro:

and let's look at it line by line

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: or do I run it as root?

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iamlindoro:

rushfan: depends on your setup... best is to run it as the user who will run backend, probably root

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EnderTheThird:

think mythtv-setup req's root/sudo, but i could be wrong

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rushfan:

oh

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iamlindoro:

I run both as my user, so I can run mythtv-setup as anyone

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rushfan:

I always ran it as user :|

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iamlindoro:

just depends, let's try as root

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rushfan:

Ill try runninng it as root

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rushfan:

IUll set both ips to 127.0.0.1, fair enough?

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iamlindoro:

should be okay.

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rushfan:

ok, try starting the backend again I guess

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rushfan:

cool it worked

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rushfan:

how odd. oh well, for the future Ill remember to run mythtv-setup as root

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rushfan:

wtf

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rushfan:

Now it says I have 6 tunres

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rushfan:

and the first 3 arent available :(

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iamlindoro:

Hehe, probably because you ran mythtv-setup twice as two dif users

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rushfan:

well I can still watchtv

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: yeah w/e

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iamlindoro:

not unlike my problem with my slave backend the first time

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iamlindoro:

Very similar, in fact

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rushfan:

LIEK OMG!!!

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rushfan:

QAM WORKS

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EnderTheThird:

lol

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rushfan:

But it looks really bad

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EnderTheThird:

how?

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iamlindoro:

Well tune a decent channel

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rushfan:

Dunno, it was just that channel

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iamlindoro:

some channels are crap

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rushfan:

the basketball is amazing

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EnderTheThird:

heh, amazing what HD does with sports

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iamlindoro:

keep in mind ATSC will run from 480i garbage up to 1080i

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EnderTheThird:

you wouldn't think sports would be THAT big of a difference, but it's still crazy

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iamlindoro:

so sometime it will be Madame cleo at ten lines by ten lines... and cometimes it will be smell-o-vision HD Sports

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iamlindoro:

er sometimes

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EnderTheThird:

cometimes is only for the encrypted naughty channels, which HDHR can't get

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EnderTheThird:

;)

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rushfan:

How come some of the channels display small with large black area?

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: can I show you a screeny of what I mean?

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EnderTheThird:

4:3 instead of widescreen?

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fryfrog:

rushfan: those are probably the tvguide channel or ppv

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iamlindoro:

could be several things... could be 4:3 programs vs 16:9 programs...

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iamlindoro:

and sometimes it's 4:3 "faked" to look like 16:9 so you end up with black everywhere

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fryfrog:

you know the chans where it is onscreen text but with a *little* window for some active tv

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: do you get a slag lag at first?

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rushfan:

Like it locks up abit then starts goings mooth afterwards?

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EnderTheThird:

yeah, if you're on cable, that's probably it. i have a channel that comes through mine that's the "preview" they show for guide/movie channel

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rushfan:

Its termpermental :|

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fryfrog:

yar, i have seen a couple like that on mine too

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fryfrog:

one of them has two, one in the upper left, one in the lower right.

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fryfrog:

both are the same thing :)

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EnderTheThird:

sometimes. it can also take a few seconds to get a lock too

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fryfrog:

i guess they move the overlay around and so the layout changes

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EnderTheThird:

mine will timeout on locking a channel sometimes, and ijust need to let it go until it gets it

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iamlindoro:

ahhh, the first time going from NTSC to ATSC.... such a difference

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iamlindoro:

And then you start to think about how the DVB-S folks have it in Europe and get bitter

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rushfan:

Is 77% – 85% signal good?

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EnderTheThird:

should be fine

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rushfan:

DVB-S?

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EnderTheThird:

digital is digital. 65+ is usually ok

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: yeah some channels I cant lock on

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EnderTheThird:

if they still come in as ClearQAM, give them a few seconds and see if it locks

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iamlindoro:

rushfan: European Digital Satellite standard... except they have no encryption and can go straight from sat into a DVB-S card and get everything as a perfect x.264 stream

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rushfan:

sweett

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iamlindoro:

which is FAR better than our mostly encrypted Mpeg-2 crap

[00:46:26]

rushfan:

yeah Im going to have to transcode my QAM recordings to x264

[00:46:34]

EnderTheThird:

eek, way to make me feel like shit about my HD

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EnderTheThird:

lol

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iamlindoro:

even worse, shows that are shown only in SD here are exported to them... in HD

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iamlindoro:

like Battlestar Galactica, Firefly, etc.

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rushfan:

Schedules direct will show the lineups on the HD channels seperate from the NTSC, right?

[00:47:11]

iamlindoro:

well, we got Firefly in HD, I take that back

[00:47:15]

iamlindoro:

But not Battlestar

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EnderTheThird:

is kinda funny though. i would pay for hd packs no problem if i could watch them on Myth. but they're encrypted and i'm not paying $18/month for their shitty HD DVR

[00:47:24]

rushfan:

god damn, Im going to have remove some of these channels

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro: Comcast has SCIFI in HD now.

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rushfan:

some make myth freeze

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fryfrog:

dunno if bsg is in HD, but i imagine it is?

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog: Really? Wow... I have one of their HD STBs but I never tune the channels

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EnderTheThird:

rushfan: a good portion of them that don't get named are just junk channels used for PPV previews and whatnot by cable

[00:48:01]

fryfrog:

EnderTheThird: firwire and an HD STB?

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iamlindoro:

still, 5C all over it so useless... sigh

[00:48:15]

EnderTheThird:

fryfrog: not available from my provider

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iamlindoro:

at least, for me it si

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iamlindoro:

er is

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro: i'd have never known either, but my sister told me :)

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

lame :(

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rushfan:

Can I make mythtv stretch all channels to max screen space?

[00:48:32]

rushfan:

But still not mess up aspect ratios?

[00:48:34]

EnderTheThird:

might try to call them again this summer (when i have time to watch anyway) and see if i can talk to someone who knows what the fuck they're talking about, heh

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fryfrog:

rushfan: unpossible

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, yes, press M and look at all the menu options

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fryfrog:

but you can use aspect and fill to make it close

[00:48:57]

iamlindoro:

and use a Zoom mode instead of changing the aspect ratio

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rushfan:

I remember there was a frontend setting for it

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fryfrog:

like a 16:9 show inside a 4:3 (with black bars) being displayed on a 16:9 you can use "fill: full" and get it right

[00:49:30]

EnderTheThird:

because Fireware via an HD STB would be pimp. but even then, I'm paying $10+ for the STB

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iamlindoro:

anyway, off to Xmas dinner, later all

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fryfrog:

rushfan: you do it at each show, if it needs it

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: peace

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fryfrog:

EnderTheThird: yeah, you pay for being able to maybe record via firewire

[00:49:57]

fryfrog:

sucks, but... at least there is that option with cable

[00:50:21]

EnderTheThird:

fryfrog: exactly. and my ass is on a college budget, heh. didn't save enough $$ from co-op so i'm back to being broke, haha

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rushfan:

Oh

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rushfan:

what about when I record?

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rushfan:

crop when I transcode?

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EnderTheThird:

fryfrog: eh, it keeps me from shelling out too much for cable service in the first place. i just now picked up basic analog cable (used to just pay $13/mo for network channels, which included HD versions of them)

[00:51:20]

EnderTheThird:

i'll prob switch back to network only after WGA strike is over though.

[00:51:20]

rushfan:

How does manual zoom mode work?

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fryfrog:

it stretches

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fryfrog:

but maintains aspect

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fryfrog:

it should really be used for "correcting"

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EnderTheThird:

it zooms ;)

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rushfan:

I cant figure out which key is like, zoom in :|

[00:52:43]

fryfrog:

like... on my tv, from my analog card i get shows like...

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fryfrog:

[ [=] ]

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fryfrog:

the outside is my 16:9 tv, the inside [ ] is a 4:3 picture

[00:53:11]

EnderTheThird:

i know the arrows will let you move the pic around (helpful when sometimes you can see the "junk" for sound or CC streams on the video)

[00:53:17]

fryfrog:

and the = is a 16:9 show inside a 4:3 picture (on a 16:9 display)

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rushfan:

ahh, pagedown is perfect

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fryfrog:

so I do "zoom: full" and then that little bit is zoomed in to fill my whole screen.

[00:53:43]

rushfan:

And channels dont look like garbage on QAM, even if they're not HD

[00:53:57]

rushfan:

fryfrog: where is zoom: full?

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fryfrog:

uh, sorry, i use svn trunk

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EnderTheThird:

3 bad sectors on my cousin's HDD with 85% scanned. wonder if i should tell him to get a new HDD befor this one craps out the rest of the way or not. :-/

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fryfrog:

i think in .20.2 it is part of the ummm.. aspect menu?

[00:54:37]

fryfrog:

i forget

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fryfrog:

EnderTheThird: check it with smartmontools

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rushfan:

fryfrog: so do I

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fryfrog:

a low level scan is kind of useless now

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fryfrog:

because below that level, the hard drive itself is finding, mapping and "replacing" bad clusters

[00:55:15]

fryfrog:

er, sectors

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fryfrog:

what ever

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EnderTheThird:

i'll check that out. i'm running the samsung utility. it sucks

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fryfrog:

rushfan: i forget what it is called, but it has options of like "none" "half" and "full"

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fryfrog:

oh, well, maybe if they wrote it it knows that stuff

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EnderTheThird:

rushfan: W cycles aspect modes

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fryfrog:

smartmoontools lets you see the SMART data

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rushfan:

now I have ot run my 100ft ethernet cable to the basement

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rushfan:

where my hd projector is

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fryfrog:

hehe

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EnderTheThird:

well like you said, it should be able to compensate a few bad sectors. S.M.A.R.T. passes, but that's not a very good indicator of if a drive's about to crap out

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EnderTheThird:

according to Google, and I trust them, heh

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fryfrog:

true

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fryfrog:

it is better than nothing though :)

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rushfan:

hmm, manual zoo mmode still works best I Think

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EnderTheThird:

if anyone knows about HDDs crapping out, i'd say it's them, haha. yeah, i'll check that tool out once this is done

[00:57:32]

EnderTheThird:

gotta reinstall WinXP Home for him though

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jarle:

today I was just informed about SpinRite (http://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm) which is supposed to be one of the best disk-recovery tools in the business...

[00:58:49]

EnderTheThird:

drive is still accessible. just wasn't sure if the horrible performace was due to physical errors or filesystem errors

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EnderTheThird:

i'm just gonna format the damned thing and give it another go

[00:59:41]

EnderTheThird:

not my comptuer anyway. i'm working on it while i'm at work, heh

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rushfan:

hey when Im watchign HD I should run mythtv as max screen size, right?

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EnderTheThird:

yeah, you might as well

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EnderTheThird:

make it look purty AND big, heh

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ferrari:

has anybody used a nova-t-500 tuner card before? I installed one in a 1.5GHz CPU and 1GB DDR-II system but the display is not smooth.

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EnderTheThird:

ferrari: nope

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ferrari:

what is the recommeded tuner card to go with mythtv which is compatible with nova-t-500

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bipolar:

Is there a way to show the mouse cursor, and then hide it automaticly if it doesn't move for, say, 5 sec? The only option I can find in mythtv is to turn it on or off, nothing in between.

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rushfan:

nice, pirates of the carribean in HD

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rushfan:

anyway to see if Im getting 1080i or 720p?

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ferrari:

what graphic card do you use to support HD?

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rushfan:

8600GT

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ferrari:

thanks

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ferrari:

does it support up to 1080p @ 60Hz or higher

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rushfan:

Can I get scrambled porn with this HDHomeRun?

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rushfan:

heh

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rushfan:

ferrari: no idea

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rushfan:

What resolution is 1080p?

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rushfan:

I have two 17" monitors at 60hz

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rushfan:

ferrari: For 1080p I think a 22" widescreen would be best, and it supports that

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ferrari:

right now, my system only outputs component as the highest

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rushfan:

Your system outputs component?

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ferrari:

thinking of getting an HDMI

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rushfan:

You could get one of those fancy HDMI cards

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rushfan:

yeah, this card is DVI

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rushfan:

but my projector only has VGA in :(

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ferrari:

DVI digital or analog or both

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ferrari:

then you can just get a dvi to hdmi cable

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rushfan:

No HDMI :(

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rushfan:

I bought it before HDMI came out

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rushfan:

it supports component, which is the same quality as HDMI I believe

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bipolar:

I added the mouse autohide thing to: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_ . . . s%29#General I hope thats the right place for it.

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rushfan:

Anyone know how I can map NTSC channels to their ATSC counterparts?

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rushfan:

Like so instead of going to channel 5, it goes straight to 5.1?

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rushfan:

Or 4 goes to 43.1?

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ferrari:

component is the lowest end of HD

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ferrari:

HDMI is the highest end

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rushfan:

oh

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rushfan:

ferrari: is there an in between?

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rushfan:

Btw, any use SchedulesDirect w/ qAM?

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ferrari:

I guess DVI somehow lies in between but dvi can still go up to very high HD with bigger adapter.

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rushfan:

Yeah

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rushfan:

I wont complain about watching HD over DVI

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ferrari:

does anybody know where I can find mythdora IRC chat room?

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EnderTheThird:

no idea

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ferrari:

err... going to a Meeting again. boring meeting

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jams:

there is #mythdora but most activity is on their forum

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: Hey

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rushfan:

Anyway to map regular cable channels to their HD counterparts?

[02:04:09]

rushfan:

Channel 5 goes to channel 5.1, 8 goes 8.1, etc.

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EnderTheThird:

You can modify the channel XML IDs if it's not available through schedulesdirect.org

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EnderTheThird:

Do you have a subscription there?

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** rushfan is loving the dual tuners. recording pirates of the carribean while watching something else **

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: nope

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rushfan:

IVe been thinking about getting one

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rushfan:

Do they have the schedules for the QAM channels as well as the analog?

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EnderTheThird:

It's almost a must, heh. Only $20 for a year.

[02:05:07]

EnderTheThird:

You can look them up, but they should.

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: well it works for you, right?

[02:05:19]

EnderTheThird:

I'm pretty sure you can sign up for 7 days for free.

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EnderTheThird:

Works great for me. HD channels should be under localbroadcast for your zip

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: but you still need a credit card #

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EnderTheThird:

And if it's not there specifically for the HD channel, you can use the SD info by modifying the XML ID for that channel (easy with MythWeb)

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: so you can like, specify two inputs and use both?

[02:06:16]

EnderTheThird:

yeah, you'd specify cable and localbroadcast

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EnderTheThird:

then link cable to your PVR150 and localbroadcast to the HDHR tuners

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rushfan:

oh, no billing info required

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rushfan:

nice

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rushfan:

Ill sign up then

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EnderTheThird:

not for the trial

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: are my bro and I allowed to use the same account you think?

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rushfan:

If hes in ND and Im in Ohio

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EnderTheThird:

it might let you. hard to say.

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EnderTheThird:

then your next project is to allow mobile access to mythweb, heh. Very easy with Putty or SSH and tunneling though. You can make MythWeb accessible to the Web on its own, but then you'd have to password protect it

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EnderTheThird:

don't want some asshole to tell all your tuners to record Lifetime for the next 2 weeks or anything, ha

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rushfan:

right Im signed up at schedulesdirect

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rushfan:

hah

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adante:

um, what command is run by mysql to fix a corrupt databases again?

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: so the QAM stuff is mapped to local broadcast?

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adante:

ok it is mysqlrepair, now why don't i have that file heh

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EnderTheThird:

rushfan: yep

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EnderTheThird:

the QAM channels are the same you'd get if you hooked up an antenna to your HDHR

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rushfan:

cool

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rushfan:

I could get the same listings with zap2it but not worth the trouble of making two accounts, etc, etc.

[02:15:49]

rushfan:

besides the listings arent that great anyhow

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EnderTheThird:

zap2it is commercial only now, i think

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EnderTheThird:

?

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: No. I have a scrubber

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rushfan:

they still show free tv listings in HTML

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EnderTheThird:

eh, for $20 SD.org isn't bad

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rushfan:

yeah

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EnderTheThird:

never tried a scrubber, but i hear they're kind of a pain, especially compared to SD.org

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EnderTheThird:

or zap2it before they stopped (bastards)

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rushfan:

my scrubber works flawlessly

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EnderTheThird:

cool

[02:22:09]

rushfan:

But still, for HD Im going to want SD.org

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EnderTheThird:

unless you can copy the scrubbed data for the sd channels to the hd channels

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EnderTheThird:

i've never used a scrubber, so i'm not sure how it manages the data

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rushfan:

it just dumps out an xml fil

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rushfan:

file*

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EnderTheThird:

cool

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EnderTheThird:

You could probably just copy the XML ID from your SD channels and put that in for your HD channels and you'd be fine then.

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** rushfan hugs HDHomeRun **

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rushfan:

worth all the money

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: I guess but Id still rather just use an xml service anyhow

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EnderTheThird:

That's what I have to do for one of my HD channels because they don't show the HD data through SD.org

[02:24:47]

EnderTheThird:

true. I love SD.org! and the HDHR definitely rocks, heh

[02:25:08]

rushfan:

Yeah, especially considering that my computer case is out of space

[02:25:18]

rushfan:

And from my experience with the HVR-1600 its crap

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EnderTheThird:

ha

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EnderTheThird:

I tried the pcHDTV cards, but had trouble with sound and I wanted dual HD tuners, and hogging 2 PCI slots sucked

[02:26:27]

EnderTheThird:

So I returned those and got the HDHR

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rushfan:

I almost got a pcHDTV

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rushfan:

Hmm, I need to cut the commercials before I transcode to x264

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rushfan:

then I can have Pirates of the Carribean in better than HD quality :D

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EnderTheThird:

well, it wouldn't be better than HD

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EnderTheThird:

just a smaller file, heh

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EnderTheThird:

i should transcode more of my files

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EnderTheThird:

but I have 377GB of space, which gives me ~45 hours of HD recording time

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: does it always cut the files into 2.2gb segments?

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rushfan:

yeah I have tons of space too

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rushfan:

500

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EnderTheThird:

2.2GB segements? in the /var/lib/mythtv/recordings folder they're in 2.2 GB files?

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rushfan:

Hmm...

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: well for some reason Pirats of the Carribean has been cut up into multiple files

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EnderTheThird:

hmmm, the straight mpg stream? not transcoded?

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rushfan:

One is 2.2GB, one if 550, on is 3.2gb

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rushfan:

another is 325.7

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rushfan:

etc, etc

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EnderTheThird:

showing as one entry in myth?

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EnderTheThird:

Mine doesn't do that.

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rushfan:

too bad my favorite show ever isnt in HD

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rushfan:

Two and a half men

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EnderTheThird:

It should be.

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EnderTheThird:

I get it in HD here, if it's the regularly scheduled showing

[02:33:28]

EnderTheThird:

if you're watching reruns on another channel, it might not be in HD though

[02:33:39]

EnderTheThird:

but on mondays it is, on ABC or whatever channel that one's on

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d00gster:

guys can someone kindly help me understand the reason for the following error. I did a clean scan and filled the db without issues, but can't tune with my Nexus-s card

[02:33:46]

d00gster:

13:46:01.579 DVBChan(1) Warning: Your frequency setting (10071113) is out of range. (min/max:950000/2150000)

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EnderTheThird:

d00gster: never used that card. not sure i can help. so

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rushfan:

Well I was just watching it on ABC and it wasnt HD :|

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EnderTheThird:

*sorry

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rushfan:

but it was a rerun :\

[02:34:26]

rushfan:

I'll schedule it to record and see what happens

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EnderTheThird:

a lot of networks are stingy with HD and reruns

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rushfan:

ah

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EnderTheThird:

CBS is what it's on every monday

[02:35:26]

rushfan:

Ok, Ill record it on CBS every monday

[02:35:27]

EnderTheThird:

ABC probably didn't show the HD because it's syndicated on there

[02:35:39]

rushfan:

Im surprised they show the movies in HD

[02:35:45]

EnderTheThird:

If you don't have Mythweb, install it. :)

[02:35:56]

EnderTheThird:

Some of them done. FOX seems to cheap out quite a bit.

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EnderTheThird:

*do

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rushfan:

I didnt even know about free HDtv until last years :o

[02:36:07]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: why do I need mythweb so bad?

[02:36:55]

EnderTheThird:

You don't need it, but it's a lot easier to set recordings and manage your current ones than it is in the frontend

[02:37:11]

EnderTheThird:

Easier to set them up using the mouse and having a higher resolution view of the listings and whatnot

[02:37:31]

EnderTheThird:

And with Mythweb, you can tunnel into your BE when you're away and set recordings

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rushfan:

true, true

[02:37:54]

EnderTheThird:

All you need is PuTTY or any SSH client

[02:38:08]

rushfan:

how bout my web browser?

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rushfan:

I have no intent of makingi t accessible to the outside world

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EnderTheThird:

I do that quite a bit. Realize I forgot to record something while I'm at work and I just use PuTTY to connect and tunnel so I can view Mythweb

[02:38:48]

EnderTheThird:

It's not. It's still local. You use SSH to tunnel the port from your home computer to the computer you're on

[02:39:04]

EnderTheThird:

But without the SSH tunnel, no one else can get to it

[02:40:13]

EnderTheThird:

dyndns.org (free) can be used to give your home IP a domain name, and you set it up with your router so it will automatically update whenever your IP changes

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rushfan:

I installed it but localhost/mythweb still brings up nothing :|

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EnderTheThird:

so I just have my router forward all Port 22 connections (SSH) to my BE, so when I SSH to my home, it forwards it to my BE so I can access my MythWeb

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EnderTheThird:

Does it give you a 404, or say the BE isn't running?

[02:41:34]

rushfan:

say it aint running

[02:41:40]

rushfan:

no, mythweb just doesnt rsponmd

[02:41:47]

rushfan:

Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at localhost.

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EnderTheThird:

try it with 127.0.0.1

[02:42:17]

EnderTheThird:

Sometimes Firefox is an asshole and puts .com in there

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rushfan:

right, time to map the 'ole xml listins

[02:43:15]

EnderTheThird:

it work that time?

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rushfan:

nope

[02:43:46]

rushfan:

w/e Ill deal with it tommorow

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EnderTheThird:

got ya

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rushfan:

wow

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EnderTheThird:

not sure how the Gentoo install works with that, but the .deb in Ubuntu just automagically set up Mythweb. Not sure if there's extra config for you.

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rushfan:

that was easy

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rushfan:

this is nicer than the scrubber

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EnderTheThird:

haha

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EnderTheThird:

It's very convenient. $20/yr is fine with me.

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rushfan:

Once you set it under Video Sources, you just run mythfilldatabase, right?

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EnderTheThird:

You need to set it as the input for each tuner too

[02:45:25]

rushfan:

Well, no I had already set the video sources as the input

[02:45:29]

rushfan:

they just were set to 'No Grabber'

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EnderTheThird:

got ya

[02:45:50]

EnderTheThird:

then I think that's it. I'm not at my machine so I can't remember the specific terminology

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rushfan:

Then I just have to remove the 'garbage channels'

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rushfan:

yeah it seems to be working

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, those channels pissed me off

[02:46:26]

EnderTheThird:

Some of them are SD channels broadcast via QAM, which almost makes them tempting to keep, but most of mine were junk anyway

[02:47:08]

EnderTheThird:

I think some of them are the premium PPV channels, and that when someone orders PPV it comes through an unencrypted channel. some bullshit like that. not sure if that actually happens or not

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my2keh:

anyone see the latest G.A.N.T theme?

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: PPV channels unencrypted?

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rushfan:

What did you actually see?

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rushfan:

And what are SD channels?

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EnderTheThird:

Standard Def channels. I had CSPAN come in through QAM

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: I have a bunch of duplicates in my program guide now.

[02:49:41]

rushfan:

Like two of ever channel

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EnderTheThird:

I didn't see anything, but I think I remember reading something about how some cable companies send it unencrypted, but since you can't order you can't control it or whatever. I'm not sure.

[02:49:44]

rushfan:

how can I get rid of those?

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EnderTheThird:

You could just clear all channels and rescan QAM.

[02:50:19]

EnderTheThird:

Cable channels can be retrieved from SchedulesDirect.org, but QAM needs to be scanned

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rushfan:

No, actually its my NTSC channels I have two of each

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rushfan:

I think I shoudl just clear the tv listings table

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EnderTheThird:

k

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rushfan:

Looks like the program table holds all that

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rushfan:

do you know how to clear a table?

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EnderTheThird:

glad the HDHR is working for you now though. I think i was one of the ones who really recommended it to you in here, heh

[02:53:00]

EnderTheThird:

not sure

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: you were. heh

[02:53:15]

EnderTheThird:

in mysql, i think it's drop table [table]

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rushfan:

It was some wierd thing with mythtv :|

[02:53:23]

rushfan:

But what if the table isnt recreated?

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rushfan:

Im not trying to get rid of the table, just empty it

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EnderTheThird:

that's why i'd just delete it form the myth interface, heh

[02:53:56]

EnderTheThird:

might take a little longer, but it's better than killing your db

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rushfan:

I think Im going to need a router at college now for my HDHomeRun

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EnderTheThird:

pick up a Linksys WRT54G for $40–50 and slap DD-WRT on there

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rushfan:

DD-WRT?

[02:55:01]

EnderTheThird:

Linux firmware for the router

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EnderTheThird:

Lets you configure more options, use static DHCP routing for your LAN, bunch of stuff

[02:55:49]

EnderTheThird:

I don't think the Linksys firmware lets you do static DHCP by default, which you kinda need for MythTV if you do more than one FE

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rushfan:

oh

[02:56:09]

rushfan:

yeah my router has static DHCP

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rushfan:

Which helps a-lot indeed

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah.

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EnderTheThird:

DDNS support?

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rushfan:

DDNS?

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EnderTheThird:

dynamic DNS (like dyndns.org). You'll want that if you want to access Mythweb remotely so you can give your computer a domain name. but if you're on a dorm netowrk, you might be hosed anyway

[02:59:20]

rushfan:

blast it

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rushfan:

I truncated the program and channel table, but not the hd channels arent there :|

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rushfan:

the cable channels are as they should be though

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rushfan:

Ill have to run the bloody setup thing again

[03:00:28]

rushfan:

oh well, one of these days Ill get it right

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EnderTheThird:

lol

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rushfan:

Anyway to get the channels from SD.org, instead of scanning?

[03:01:06]

EnderTheThird:

nope

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rushfan:

ok, so I have to scan?

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EnderTheThird:

yeah

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EnderTheThird:

as far as i know

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rushfan:

itd be nice if I could delete channels and watch at the same time

[03:02:19]

rushfan:

oh well

[03:02:23]

rushfan:

Ill just write the junk ones down

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EnderTheThird:

yeah

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EnderTheThird:

gotta go now

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EnderTheThird:

good luck though man

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EnderTheThird:

later

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LonEagle:

is it correct that all atsc tuners, when operated with mythtv, just take the ATSC stream and that ends up on the hard drive?

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LonEagle:

i.e. no re-encoding?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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LonEagle:

so none of the cards have to have an mpeg encoder chip like the pvr150

[03:24:29]

GreyFoxx:

right

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

unless you are recording analog cable with it

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LonEagle:

yeah, i don't have cable.

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GreyFoxx:

most ATSC cards are also analog cable tuners

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GreyFoxx:

k

[03:24:58]

GreyFoxx:

then no need for an encoder

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LonEagle:

i'm looking to start getting ATSC over the air, so i can get some of the subchannels

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LonEagle:

and i don't care about high-def or not.

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GreyFoxx:

My ATSC card is being used for QAM cable recordings hehe

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LonEagle:

my current myth box is a p3–850 with a pvr150. if it's just taking the stream and putting it down,i could see potential problems playing stuff that's broadcasted in HD

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iamlindoro:

yeah, would probably be too slow for HD stuff without a transcode

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LonEagle:

but the transcode would be slower than 1x.

[03:27:42]

iamlindoro:

yup

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LonEagle:

so i'd have to wait for the transcode to finish before watching.

[03:27:55]

iamlindoro:

yep

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tcpsyn:

evening gents

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LonEagle:

was kind of hoping that there would be a way to do an incomplete decode

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rushfan:

How do you delete specific channels in mythtv-setup?

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rushfan:

I dont want to hit Delete Channels and have it wipe all my channels :|

[03:29:16]

iamlindoro:

LonEagle: not really, it comes out of the air as Mpeg-2... you can accelerate with XvMC, but that's not going to cut it on a P3–850

[03:29:33]

iamlindoro:

will really need to get resolution and bitrate way down on that system

[03:29:39]

iamlindoro:

or upgrade, of course

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: do you know how to only delete specific channels?

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LonEagle:

yeah. i might upgrade. depends on whether the channels i want are standard def or not

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, sure, easiest way is in mythweb

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iamlindoro:

LonEagle: Where do you live?

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LonEagle:

iamlindoro: minneapolis

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iamlindoro:

Odds are your network stuff is all/mostly in HD

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iamlindoro:

at least primetime stuff will be

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LonEagle:

i thought the standard right now was that a station stayed in the same definition all the time

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iamlindoro:

rushfan: go into mythweb, then settings, then Channel editor there... there's a tickbox for delete next to each channel... tick which ones you want to erase, then click save at the bottom

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iamlindoro:

LonEagle: Nope, it's per-program

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rushfan:

I suppose this means setting up mythweb

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rushfan:

heh

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rushfan:

oh well Ill just do it

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iamlindoro:

One show will be 480p, the next 1080i, the next 720p, etc

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LonEagle:

really

[03:31:39]

iamlindoro:

yep

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rushfan:

Yeah

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LonEagle:

i swear i read differently in the myth wiki

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: btw, I get Discovery HD Theater over QAM (a rather pleasant suprise), but Im not sure how to get SD.org ot give my channel listing for this

[03:32:07]

iamlindoro:

mmmmnope

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rushfan:

LonEagle: nope I have two HD tuners, changes per program

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rushfan:

even by commerical

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rushfan:

one commercial is 720p, the next is 480i

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LonEagle:

really

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LonEagle:

is that disruptive?

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iamlindoro:

Nope

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iamlindoro:

can't imagine what it would disrupt

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rushfan:

Wait, does mythweb require apache?

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LonEagle:

iamlindoro: cause an mpeg rebuffer

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iamlindoro:

most commercials are 480i, then the programs themselves (in primetime at least) are usually 1080i or 720p, depending

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iamlindoro:

LonEagle: it's seamless

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LonEagle:

cool.

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iamlindoro:

rushfan: yes, or lighttpd

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: ahh thats my issue

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rushfan:

heh

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iamlindoro:

but apache is far easier to deal with

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LonEagle:

iamlindoro: what's the rough bitrate?

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rushfan:

yeah

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rushfan:

php as well?

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iamlindoro:

LonEagle: varies wildly, maxing out at about 20 Mbit

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iamlindoro:

rushfan: yep

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iamlindoro:

rushfan: best thing to do is set up a lineup at SD that includes discovery HD, then run the "report" function

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LonEagle:

so that's 8.7Gbyte/hr

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iamlindoro:

that will give you the XMLid, which you can manually input into mythweb for listings on that channel

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rushfan:

oh I can customize my lineup?

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iamlindoro:

LonEagle: roughly speaking, yes... more commonly about 7–7.5/hr

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LonEagle:

what's the SD stuff run, approx?

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LonEagle:

480p, say.

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rushfan:

yeah

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rushfan:

I honeslty just deeted all the SD channels from my card

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iamlindoro:

LonEagle: I honestly couldn't tell you, All my ATSC stuff is HD, and the few SD thing I record I do through my PVR-150

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rushfan:

well see, you get some unencrypted digital channels that are only SD

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rushfan:

Its better than analog somewhat, but I just axed tehm from the channellist anyow

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: same

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rushfan:

I have an HDHomeRun and a PVR-1500

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LonEagle:

well, all the OTA channels SUCK here

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LonEagle:

i'm really not amused

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iamlindoro:

A good estimate would be 4 or 5 Mbit max

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LonEagle:

i'm ~10mi away from the wtowers

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: I cant just add hD Discovery to my lineup with schedulesdirect :|

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iamlindoro:

Wow, you should get them loud and clear at that distance

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LonEagle:

it's just that cheap rabbit ears aren't cutting it

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iamlindoro:

rushfan: Create a lineup that *includes* it, get the XMLid from the report function

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rushfan:

oh...

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iamlindoro:

you just need the xmlid, not a full lineup

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rushfan:

kk

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rushfan:

then what do I do w/ the xmlid?

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iamlindoro:

then go to mythweb, channel editor, and find that QAM channel

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LonEagle:

but it's a moot point anyway, i want these 2 other public TV channels that you only get on digital

[03:38:28]

iamlindoro:

and in the box for XMLID, put that number... next time you mythfilldatabase, you'll have listings

[03:38:33]

rushfan:

kk

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LonEagle:

rushfan: how do you like your hdhomerun? i was thinking of buying that

[03:39:32]

rushfan:

ok I got it

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rushfan:

LonEagle: its excellent

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LonEagle:

seems nice & affordable, and really flexible

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iamlindoro:

I believe you can also go into the channel editor of mythtv-setup and add the xmlid the same way, I've just never done it that way

[03:39:47]

rushfan:

I also like it because Im out of PCI slots

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iamlindoro:

ie find the channel, and edit it's details, and there should be a box for xmlid

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: you can. now deleting channels with mythtv-setup is much less fun

[03:40:09]

iamlindoro:

*very* true

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iamlindoro:

that's why I always suggest mythweb

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LonEagle:

rushfan: true, if i needed a new computer to do HD i can get a mini one

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iamlindoro:

it's damn fast

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iamlindoro:

likewise for scheduling, mythweb is the fastest way there is

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clever:

i just got a pvr150

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clever:

and the cpu usage is massively different from a framegrabber

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iamlindoro:

clever: got the CPU usage issue ironed out, yeah?

[03:43:56]

clever:

bearly even noticable on the cpu graph

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LonEagle:

clever: yeah. works like a charm eh?

[03:45:23]

clever:

i can even do livetv now!

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iamlindoro:

I think I set up my first mythbox on about .14 or .13... No PVR-150s then (or if there were I was ignorant of them) so it was a breathe of fresh air when I finally got all hardware encoders and ATSC tuners

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iamlindoro:

er breath

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clever:

but i have 2 lines down the side of my screen

[03:45:50]

clever:

i need to get arround to geting a screenshot of it

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iamlindoro:

clever: via Tuner input?

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clever:

tuner is poor quality i think

[03:46:29]

clever:

using the composite input from the digital box

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iamlindoro:

Might be worth trying another input to see if it's consistent across them

[03:46:41]

clever:

all i did was shift 2 wires over to the new card

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clever:

its a dashes line going up/down

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clever:

at 2 fixed positions

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iamlindoro:

Tuner on PVR-150 isn't half bad

[03:47:19]

clever:

it may have been the 60hz from when dad unpluged the grounder for the coax

[03:47:32]

clever:

the thing appears used

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clever:

box is torn slightly

[03:47:40]

iamlindoro:

Hmm

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iamlindoro:

Hope you didn't get it from Fry's ;)

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iamlindoro:

stupid bastards

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clever:

it was under the tree:P

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Nice

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clever:

dad got it for the ir receiver

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clever:

he didnt know it was also a hardware encoder:P

[03:48:38]

rushfan:

well, mythweb kinda works

[03:48:43]

iamlindoro:

It's a nice tuner, and has remained the gold standard for a good long while

[03:49:20]

iamlindoro:

I think it will be slowly supplanted by the HVR-1600 from here on out since linux drivers are nearly ready and you get an ATSC tuner with that too

[03:49:23]

clever:

there was a fair ammount of noise it it on channel 6 and a few others when i tested it

[03:49:32]

rushfan:

Granted the PVR-150 is only analog

[03:49:33]

iamlindoro:

Plus, Haupp appears about ready to retire it

[03:49:42]

rushfan:

clever: yeah I have some channels that display with lots of noise

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: the PVR-150?

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LonEagle:

the HVR-1600, why get that instead of an hd homerun?

[03:50:00]

rushfan:

Well now that the 1800 has linux support up and coming

[03:50:01]

iamlindoro:

rushfan: yes

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rushfan:

LonEagle: dont, it doenst have linux support

[03:50:16]

iamlindoro:

Because the HVR-1600 has an ATSC tuner and an Mpeg-2 encoder for analog

[03:50:26]

rushfan:

the 1800 has digital only linux support, and ATSC upcoming

[03:50:32]

clever:

rushfan: the channels are perfectly fine though in the digital tuner thats a foot away from the pvr-150

[03:50:32]

iamlindoro:

rushfan: both 1600 and 1800 have experimental drivers

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: oh

[03:50:41]

clever:

and the digital box is tuning to analog channels for 90% of them

[03:50:43]

rushfan:

clever: same

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rushfan:

That annoys me, but oh well

[03:51:07]

clever:

i tryed changing half the channels to the tuner input

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rushfan:

I could get most of those channels in SD on QAM but I dont feel like screwing w/ setting it all up

[03:51:14]

clever:

to bypass the random errors in the ir blaster

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rushfan:

I just want the HD channels on QAM

[03:51:21]

clever:

but the quality was worse

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rushfan:

yeha I got a remote for mythtv too :D

[03:51:47]

clever:

the cable for the pvr ir receiver/blaster doesnt fit

[03:51:54]

clever:

its hitting the metal of the case between the pci slots

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iamlindoro:

I never understood why they offset that stupid thing

[03:52:40]

iamlindoro:

they have done that for, I kid you not, ten straight cards

[03:52:46]

clever:

lol

[03:52:50]

iamlindoro:

all the way back to the original wintv card

[03:52:55]

clever:

some tin snips should fix that:P

[03:53:03]

LonEagle:

i'm gonna sell my pvr150 to my buddy i think

[03:53:09]

LonEagle:

cause recording off of NTSC is gonna suck

[03:53:26]

clever:

iamlindoro: might you also be able to trim the edge of the plug(the ruber casing)?

[03:53:34]

LonEagle:

also, most everything i want to watch is only on a pbs subchannel

[03:53:53]

iamlindoro:

Yeah... none of my cards at this point have onboard IR, I just remember the head scratching moments from my first mythbox

[03:54:20]

clever:

i have a serial ir blaster

[03:54:21]

iamlindoro:

Well, I'll amend that, some of my ATSC cards have onboard IR, but I have mceusb's on all my mythboxes

[03:54:25]

clever:

but i cant control the pc with it

[03:55:03]

iamlindoro:

clever: might look into ebaying an mceusb+receiver... they're cheap on there and you get receiver and blaster and, IMHO, the best non-harmony remote out there

[03:55:22]

clever:

i was going to buy a usb receiver+remote

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iamlindoro:

Last I looked you could get it for like $7

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i_is_cat:

aha ok

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clever:

but dad hinted to not buy myself things before xmas:P

[03:55:35]

iamlindoro:

heh

[03:55:42]

i_is_cat:

so i'll just repeat what i said in #mythtv

[03:55:55]

i_is_cat:

anyone manage to get the xbox dvd remote to work on linux at all?

[03:56:02]

i_is_cat:

specifically slackware..? i see some emerge crap with gentoo online but thats about it

[03:56:07]

iamlindoro:

lirc folks would be the people to check with about that

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iamlindoro:

but, presuming it's IR, should work with just about any IR receiver

[03:56:30]

iamlindoro:

just need to record the codes or possibly get them from lirc.org

[03:56:58]

clever:

iamlindoro: how would you sudjest i fix the ir cord not fiting?

[03:57:16]

i_is_cat:

well i made two cables from an xbox controller and an unused broken xbox so i have the receiver plugged into a cable that plugs in usb to my system and picks it up under lsubs as an xbox dvd playback kit

[03:57:26]

iamlindoro:

clever, heh, probably the *least* likely to break it would be to snip a bit out of the metal between the pci slots

[03:57:38]

i_is_cat:

but like i mentioned all i can find it something about emerge on gentoo which wont work for me unfortunately :( i'll try with the lirc people tho and see what they have to say

[03:57:39]

clever:

yeah that was my first idea

[03:58:00]

iamlindoro:

i_is_cat: Probably your best bet... just need to figure out which lirc module to compile

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clever:

iamlindoro: but i suspect i'll need to remove the 2 pci cards there first which means shuting the whole thing off

[03:58:19]

iamlindoro:

unless you're feeling lucky ;)

[03:58:48]

iamlindoro:

i_is_cat: This will be a good start: http://osdir.com/ml/hardware.lirc/2005-02/msg00087.html

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iamlindoro:

and looks like the lirc module is lirc_xboxusb

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i_is_cat:

well i tried setting up lirc i got the newest version etc but go to configure it and theres no xbox anything or anything that even sounds close to it which i find a little odd considering like so many versions ago there was a patch for the xbox dvd remote and they have so many homebrew setups preloaded

[03:59:49]

iamlindoro:

so all you really need is to get lirc, compile it with that module, set up the above lircd.conf, and you should be golden

[04:01:40]

iamlindoro:

i_is_cat: I'd look at your source again... Perhaps you missed it? Everything I am seeing points to an existing module by that name

[04:01:56]

i_is_cat:

hmmmmmmm

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rushfan:

If I want mythtv to record something on the HD channel first, then the SD channel if both atsc tuners are occupied, do I set thier priorities as high?

[04:02:29]

iamlindoro:

Yes

[04:02:46]

iamlindoro:

HD tuners with High priority, sd low, and it will fall back in order of priority

[04:03:08]

rushfan:

cool

[04:03:27]

iamlindoro:

i_is_cat: Just pulled down the source, hang on

[04:03:51]

i_is_cat:

i just found http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/microsoft/Xbox now its a matter of getting it to work lol :/

[04:04:00]

LonEagle:

is there anything better to do for an ATSC tuner than an HD Home Run?

[04:04:18]

rushfan:

LonEagle: nope

[04:04:20]

rushfan:

There really sint

[04:04:29]

rushfan:

the pcHDTV cards will fit inside your cse, which can be an advantage

[04:04:39]

iamlindoro:

LonEagle: It's all subjective... just depends on your needs

[04:04:39]

rushfan:

if you want ATSC and NTSC get an HVR-1600 or 1800

[04:04:57]

iamlindoro:

but at the end of the day, so long as your ATSC tuner *works*, they're all the same

[04:05:56]

iamlindoro:

i_is_cat: Found it

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iamlindoro:

i_is_cat: grep Xbox Changelog

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iamlindoro:

It's in the atiusb module

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iamlindoro:

lirc_atiusb

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i_is_cat:

whoa really thats bizarre..

[04:06:46]

iamlindoro:

Probably not, bet you it's made by ATI or something, or identical chipset

[04:07:05]

rushfan:

yeah

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LonEagle:

okay

[04:07:09]

rushfan:

now NTSC tuners are not equal

[04:07:12]

i_is_cat:

thats still bizarre since ms is nvidia based..

[04:07:19]

i_is_cat:

nintendo is ati

[04:07:32]

iamlindoro:

For *graphics*, sure, but it's not all they make

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LonEagle:

i know NTSC tuners are not created equal

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i_is_cat:

well i shouldnt say ms specifically but xbox graphics and such

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LonEagle:

i wasn't sure how equal ATSC tuners were

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rushfan:

LonEagle: well digital is pretty consistent

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rushfan:

like you wont have any digital channels that show up w/ crappy quality

[04:08:10]

rushfan:

you either get them, or you dont

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iamlindoro:

LonEagle: Yeah, you and rushfan have it right though... since ATSC cards just dump a video stream to disk, a rose is a rose is a rose

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i_is_cat:

so theres two ati's in there i wonder which one.. oh well test one then the other if it doesnt work i guess

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iamlindoro:

versus the quality of the tuner and encoder on the NTSC cards varies significantly

[04:08:50]

iamlindoro:

i_is_cat: it's lirc_atiusb

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i_is_cat:

hmm apparently my kernel config isnt setup for it

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i_is_cat:

:(

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i_is_cat:

thats a bit annoying

[04:09:33]

i_is_cat:

ah well kernel hax0ring time i guess lol

[04:09:40]

** i_is_cat puts on his pretend to be a smarty pants cap **

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iamlindoro:

LIRC is one of the times where *buntu is a godsend

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iamlindoro:

apt-get install lirc, add beer, profit

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i_is_cat:

i cant stand the *buntu distro's i might not be a hardcore hacker or anything but i find the stuff on those types of distros gets in my way

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iamlindoro:

I actually like it a lot... I let it make everything work for me, then pare away the unnecessary

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i_is_cat:

slackware seems to do what i want it to do with little effort

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iamlindoro:

But if pressed I'll take anything that'll swallow a .deb

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LonEagle:

great.

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i_is_cat:

and out of all the distro's i've tried which includes mandrake, redhat, fedora, *buntu's, suse, etc.. i find slackware to be the easiest to get things working and the easiest to fix when i do something really stupid lol

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i_is_cat:

i loved redhat 7.2 back in the day when it was cutting edge lol but man thats old now

[04:12:57]

i_is_cat:

opensuse 10 was alright i suppose...

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iamlindoro:

I set my first mythbox up on Mandrake, then went to Fedore, and have rested on Debian and Ubuntu these days

[04:13:10]

iamlindoro:

er Fedora

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i_is_cat:

the kids seem to like ubuntu aside from the fact that their pc is crap hardware

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rushfan:

yay

[04:13:28]

rushfan:

my remote works

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iamlindoro:

SuSE appears to be ass for setting up a mythbox these days for a variety of reasons

[04:13:37]

rushfan:

I like gentoo

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rushfan:

but it can indeed be a pain

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i_is_cat:

linuxmce has to to be the phattest implement of mythtv i've ever seen in my life

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iamlindoro:

EW

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GreyFoxx:

I find the linuxmce interface to be one of the ugliest I've ever seen :)

[04:14:36]

iamlindoro:

The UI looks like a someone ran over a pregnant buffalo

[04:14:38]

i_is_cat:

so is kde and gnome's default interface

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LonEagle:

well, what with all the modern dbus stuff and hotplug, etc, i'd rather use ubuntu

[04:14:43]

i_is_cat:

takes very little to change that

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LonEagle:

it's easier overall

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GreyFoxx:

I think the rotating cube effect for strolling through videos to look nifty, the rest is poo

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GreyFoxx:

imho of course

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i_is_cat:

i like the idea that it does pretty well everything you want it to do

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: agreed... although I'm not sure I even like the rotating cube :)

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i_is_cat:

in the google video they show how it compares to a windows media centre

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i_is_cat:

and windows pales in comparison

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iamlindoro:

windows pales in comparison to lots of things :)

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i_is_cat:

thats not to say you couldnt set up your own system that works the same if not better than linuxmce but lets take the average person with money who wants a pvr thats not going to be a piece of crap and error out because of expressed written consent etc would probably be better off buying a prebuilt linuxmce system as opposed to a standard pvr or windows media center

[04:17:32]

i_is_cat:

especially if they have little to no experience with linux

[04:17:50]

i_is_cat:

watching that google video with some die hard windows users made their eyes bug out and their mouths gape

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i_is_cat:

but i just like the fact that for a fairly low cost you can get your whole pvr that does all that stuff including control lights and even alarm systems and such right out of the box with very simple config

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roothorick:

is there a MythTV frontend for Windows?

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cesman:

there is no official frontend

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iamlindoro:

roothorick: one can be compiled from SVN, but it is very much a work in progress

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GreyFoxx:

roothorick: there are a few apps, and a VERY experimental port of mythfrontend to win32

[04:20:30]

cesman:

there are various methods to get a "frontend", I'd suggest you check the MythTV archives (or wiki)...

[04:20:48]

roothorick:

I should probably get my MythTV box up and running before anything else first, huh?

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rushfan:

hm

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iamlindoro:

Certainly the most stable thing to do is just stream to VLS from mythweb

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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iamlindoro:

er VLC

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rushfan:

I stuck lircrc in /home/greg/.mythtv

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rushfan:

but my remote still doesnt work

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rushfan:

when I run irw its definetly being detected thoug

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roothorick:

I thought about running mythfrontend in VNC and accessing it through that, just for scheduling shows to record

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GreyFoxx:

roothorick: mythweb is good for that

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roothorick:

I'll look into mythweb then

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GreyFoxx:

I use it for 99% of scheduling

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iamlindoro:

Rathen than VNC'ing to frontend, just get mythweb set up, it's infinitely faster and more intuitive to schedule

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roothorick:

I just got Gentoo going on my MythTV box-to-be, wish me luck :)

[04:23:28]

cesman:

luck

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iamlindoro:

May God have mercy on your soul

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roothorick:

*sigh* I really need to find a quieter hard drive for it

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rushfan:

anyone here using a remote with mythtv?

[04:25:12]

cesman:

yes

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iamlindoro:

Haha, only nearly all of us ;)

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i_is_cat:

hmm weird location for the ati rf module in the kernel

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i_is_cat:

ah well

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i_is_cat:

i swear ever since i found out about -j2 with make things have been going SO much faster on my system

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i_is_cat:

i thought the xbox dvd remote was ir tho.. oh well whatever lol

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roothorick:

rawr, farking wireless

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i_is_cat:

hmm hmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i guess i gotta reboot now that i rebuilt the kernel.. :(

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rushfan:

cesman: well, mine doesnt work :(

[04:30:14]

rushfan:

do you have t orestart backend after setting up the remote?

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rushfan:

Or does frontend handle it all?

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rushfan:

I carted lircrc but Im having no luck :(

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clever:

backend does nothing with lirc

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clever:

mythbackend doesnt even need to run on the pc using lirc

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rushfan:

ok

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rushfan:

Ill try using irxevent instead

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clever:

i cant get my ir receiver cord to fit into the card atm so ive yet to actualy get a receiver to work

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code-r:

Any one here run a NOVA-S-PLUS?

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orkid:

i wish :)

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code-r:

?

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orkid:

i would like one.

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code-r:

lol

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orkid:

that's what i mean

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code-r:

mine works fine in 2.6.18 but wont lock in 2.6.22 :(

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code-r:

i wanna cry!

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code-r:

i been at it for weeks

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clever:

my wifi card semi works in 2.6.20(a few minor bugs)

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clever:

but totaly panics in 2.6.22

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code-rr:

:-S

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code-rr:

i thikn i missed that

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clever:

i didnt notice it until recently but im running the wrong kernel on my 7.10 laptop

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clever:

using a feisty kernel on gutsy

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code-rr:

:-S i wish i knew what was wrong with my card

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code-rr:

others seem to get it to work1

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rushfan:

Grr.

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rushfan:

anyone here have a working remote?

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code-rr:

1 do

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clever:

my remotes work fine

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clever:

but the pc is deaf to them:P

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rushfan:

A working remote with mythtv

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rushfan:

irw detects the rmeote fine

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rushfan:

mythtv doesnt :|

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rushfan:

tommorow this remote will bend to my will

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cafuego:

I seem to be unable to edit the cutlist for recordings; it reverts to the default commercial-flagged list after a short time. Is there a setting I need to check?

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xris:

cafuego: what do you mean "after a short time"? the editor doesn't have a timer or anything... flag list is converted to a cutlist if you press Z while editing, but other than that, it should let you place cutpoints wherever you want

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cafuego:

xris: After say 5 mins the cutlist reverts back to what the commflagger created; and my changes to it are gone.

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xris:

do you maybe have a userjob running to --gencutlist?

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cafuego:

xris: it'd very odd. if I edit it, then exit, then restart.. it's still there.

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cafuego:

xris: But if I then start a transcode process... the result is using the OLD cuts... and if I re-edit, my changes are no longer there.

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xris:

transcode with what?

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cafuego:

xris: nuvencoder, xvid.

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xris:

nuvexport?

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cafuego:

None of the backends are running any custom userjobs.

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xris:

nuvexport has an option to generate the cutlist from the flag list.. maybe you have it turned on in a config file?

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cafuego:

xris: Aah, you reckon it grabs the flaglist instead if there is also a cutlist?

[08:04:21]

xris:

it just runs mythtranscode with --gencutlist

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xris:

assumes that you know best when asking

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cafuego:

heh

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cafuego:

it would be right for most software, not yet for myth though

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xris:

I'd never use it myself, but enough people asked for the option so I put it in.

[08:05:17]

xris:

it should never be defaulted "on" though

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cafuego:

Ok, I'll give that a go. Thankyou :-)

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peque:

Hi there – Happy Holidays to al

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peque:

Got a a problem that I would like to know if it's possible to solve. I got a "Under the stairs" solution with all tunercards in the masterbackend. I would like to be able to hear Radio on the frontends, but No sound is comming out – Caurse I think it's only looking for the tuner local – not from the masters. I follow the guide on mythtv wiki – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Fm_radio

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peque:

And another problem I haven't got before – When I go into Mythweb – running on the Masterbackend – and go to statuspage – I got a error from PHP: Error at /home/httpd/html/mythweb/modules/status/handler.php, line 29:

[08:44:04]

peque:

file_get_contents(http://172.16.20.10:6544) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! – And the masterbackends shut down without error in the mythbackend.log ???

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lsproc:

My USB TV tuner is a dual tuner device, analog and freeview (DVB-T). I have set up an analog device with V4L Analog, and a DVB DTV capture card. Is my setup correct?

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frahi:

lsproc: Ask smart questions when you have a problem! http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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peque:

I have a problem with the Mythweb – when I try getting the status – I'll get a PHP error – and the masterbackend just shuts down

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peque:

Without error in the logfile the only thing there is Error at /home/httpd/html/mythweb/modules/status/handler.php, line 29:

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peque:

file_get_contents(http://172.16.20.10:6544) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed!

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peque:

Noone knows that error – Cause I'll mean that the php.ini is set with this function – so cannot see why it'll shut down the whole masterbackend – just for asking for status

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][eBerg:

Is there a supported/known working card for 720p capture via component from a DTV H20?

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jarle:

When going from mythbuntu stable builds to mythbuntu trunk builds, will the stable packages automatically be removed, or do I need to remove them first?

[12:25:47]

Saviq:

jarle: they'd be replaced with the trunk

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jarle:

Saviq: good, the less I have to think about, the better...

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peque:

Hey Group – I have a problem about Mythweb – with causes my mythbackend to shutdown instantly – Or shutting down the ports 6543 & 6544 ! The backend running 2007-12–26 13:28:30.040 mythbackend version: 0.20.20070821–1 www.mythtv.org . The OS is Arch Linux which has the different packages in the PackageDB. But each time I want to see my status from Mythweb – is shuts down the masterbackend! Only thing is lagersegme

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peque:

nt error – and that is with the backend is startet with mythbackend -v all

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black_Nightmare_:

just had to ask but any of you know any webstores for computer multimedia products?

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black_Nightmare_:

(most plain stores seem to only like have tv tuners some of the times etc...but where's one that probably supply about anything you could think of just like an audio store having everything from receivers to well meh you know)

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black_Nightmare_:

hm...seem to be asleep in here

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black_Nightmare_:

iamlindoro whats with your connection?

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k-man:

hello

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k-man:

hows it going?

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][eBerg:

is there a viable option for capturing 720p from a DTV H20 with MythTV?

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black_Nightmare_:

k-man okay here aside to trying to figure where to find some pci cards I want -_-

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k-man:

ebay?

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][eBerg:

what cards?

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black_Nightmare_:

firewire/eth .. dual tuner tv pci (most plain stores don't seem to even have them) .. and other things related to multimedia ^_^

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][eBerg:

yea I have a spare 4pt firewire I keep laying around

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][eBerg:

this will be my first mythbox if I can figure out a good way to set it up

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][eBerg:

anyone know the serial protocol used by AV receivers that have an rs-232 port for home automation and or apps for controling them or integrating into myth?

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black_Nightmare_:

not just fw... fw/eth combo one .. just in case you didn't figure it

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black_Nightmare_:

^-^

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][eBerg:

take it your using a lp case and need to save on space?

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black_Nightmare_:

more of that other three slots are already well taken and I dunno if everyone who visit would willing have firewire on their laptop if they wanted to copied sometimes I had recorded ^_^

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black_Nightmare_:

so well yeah hmm.. one of these older fw/eth combo card maybe could be the trick or I dunno yet

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black_Nightmare_:

(that way...well naturally almost all laptops except some PII and earlier have onboard ethernet for themself you know)

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][eBerg:

yea

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][eBerg:

know anything about HD capture cards?

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black_Nightmare_:

I know two names so far...both hp (although difficult to find selling source for them..which is exactly my question now I guess hehe) and orangelink (out of production for several years so sometimes best found from private sales..and I haven't seen a good one yet)

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black_Nightmare_:

HD capture? ughh no sorry

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][eBerg:

bummer, the bad thing about linux/myth is it's usualy years after a card comes out before linux gets decent support

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black_Nightmare_:

heh well I'm just rather SD and staying that way here ^_^

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][eBerg:

SD only has a year left

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][eBerg:

well it'll become 480p

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black_Nightmare_:

not around here

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][eBerg:

where is here?

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black_Nightmare_:

heh where you located?

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][eBerg:

centtal US

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][eBerg:

*central

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** black_Nightmare_ points to over the north border **

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][eBerg:

.ca eh

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black_Nightmare_:

yeah

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black_Nightmare_:

some people seem to mistake it for calfornia...like get a CLUE! (eg there's more than just one 'london' too)

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black_Nightmare_:

^_^

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][eBerg:

yea several actualy

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][eBerg:

there is only one Tokyo though

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black_Nightmare_:

heh well so anyhow...

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][eBerg:

your not finding anything on ebay?

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black_Nightmare_:

agp: 3dfx 3500TV, pci: firewire/eth, pci/isa: reused sb16 from here (or bother getting a working Live! card and wire the AUD_EXT header too heh), isa: scsi (or one of these old scsi I/O card if someone has one..could be interesting to try utilize the extra serial ports for D/A purpose)

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black_Nightmare_:

thats one expansion plan for this system rebuild so far

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][eBerg:

might see if this company has them in stock: http://www.shentech.com/ju2ne012.html

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][eBerg:

or here: http://ftcshop.stores.yahoo.net/ju-2ne012.html

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm brb for breakfast (hot out of stove heh) .. will check when I'm back

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][eBerg:

and here: http://www.pcsuperdeals.com/ProductView.asp?P . . . 751BFD8D9%7D

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i3ooi3oo:

Morning All

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][eBerg:

yes it is morning

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black_Nightmare_:

back

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black_Nightmare_:

][energ hmm looks interesting

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black_Nightmare_:

hehe....misstyped a letter :p

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][eBerg:

yea could be useful to ya

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black_Nightmare_:

hm well mind if I show you something?

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][eBerg:

as long as it's pizza :) no I dont care

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black_Nightmare_:

hehe

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black_Nightmare_:

http://th99.dyndns.org/c/C-D/20485.htm that is one slight crazy card but you get the idea heh

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black_Nightmare_:

four serial could be a lot of D/A lines

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black_Nightmare_:

but then just two on most other cards is just fine as well

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][eBerg:

isa

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][eBerg:

good luck with that

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][eBerg:

havent seen an isa computer in 10 years now

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black_Nightmare_:

well this is agp/pci/pci-isa/isa board system :p

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][eBerg:

wow, it must be old

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black_Nightmare_:

not really heh ^-^

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][eBerg:

isa is to slow for firewire or usb2

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black_Nightmare_:

who cares about usb2 anyway? :p

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v o_cee

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][eBerg:

me

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black_Nightmare_:

hm well just curious but what video card you use?

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][eBerg:

in one box I have a radeon 9500pro, a GF8800 in another and in the laptop a GF7700

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black_Nightmare_:

heh

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][eBerg:

I learned fast not to use ATI cards in a linux box

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black_Nightmare_:

hm well...

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peque:

Hey guys. I have this logfile from mythbackend – When I press backend status in the webinterface – Can some tell me what going on and why it'll shut down the masterbackend imidiatly http://pastebin.ca/832701

[14:30:48]

black_Nightmare_:

at rage LT pro (laptop) ... ati rage ? (to-yet-get secondary desktop system) .. and in-mail-yet 3dfx 3500TV for the rebuilt pc here .. ^_^

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KilllerKlown:

hello

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KilllerKlown:

can someone tell me how to set up my listing for the bahamas area please

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black_Nightmare_:

not sure if I could actually bother getting an upgrade (since the only thing is three pci slots) for the secondary system at all but then might not have to bother

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KilllerKlown:

can someone please tell me how to get setup in the bahamas area as far as listings

[14:33:52]

KilllerKlown:

schedules direct seems to only provide for US

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black_Nightmare_:

][eberg you use mythtv on that 8800 or no? just wondering

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][eBerg:

no, I'll be putting custom hardware into the P4 I have that has the r9500pro for backend and use the xbox as a fronend

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black_Nightmare_:

ah ok

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black_Nightmare_:

I at first had thought about the idea of mythtv but think going stay out anyway (especially with agp tv tuner)

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black_Nightmare_:

going to use BTV on the secondary system anyway (yes.. BTV is a software name, look it up if you want :P )

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black_Nightmare_:

heh interesting if you would: http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7864/pic0703ru7.jpg

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black_Nightmare_:

a company trying to help with an old problem

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][eBerg:

I'm mainly concerned with getting 720P from a DTV H20 into myth

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black_Nightmare_:

ah ok

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][eBerg:

so far I have not found any cards that have a means to import via componet, Im now looking at d-terminal cards and componet to d-term cables

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black_Nightmare_:

well I'm going so bye now ok? ;)

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jarle:

just upgraded to trunk after running stable for a couple of months: ohhh, so many now nice new features to enjoy! I really enjoyed being able to have mythmusic play in the background and also being able to expire watched recordings before unwatched recordings... Now I just need to find a version of the bluetoobe-wide theme that works with trunk...

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bradd:

did you compile it from source/svn? if so i believe to can svn co themes and should be able to install it from there...

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jarle:

bradd: installed binary, found the theme on the web...

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black_Nightmare_:

back

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i3ooi3oo:

front

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black_Nightmare_:

very funny :p

[15:50:29]

black_Nightmare_:

mind if I ask if you ever heard of any firewire-a/v adapters or only just usb ones?

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mchou:

black_Nightmare_: what do you mean by a firewire a-v adapter?? firewire already transfers digital video/audio (or any digital data for that matter)

[16:00:53]

black_Nightmare_:

mchou...but how do you plug this svideo cable into the system's firewire port? thats the thing I was refering to :p

[16:01:03]

black_Nightmare_:

sorry but I just didn't quite know what to call them aside to 'adapters'

[16:01:26]

mchou:

you have svideo get pvr-x50

[16:01:42]

mchou:

or any usb variant

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Tronic:

Does anyone know if VDR can be used like MythTV?

[16:08:37]

Tronic:

The thing is that the basic model of MythTV – separate backend and frontend, and the frontend using OpenGL – is perfect for me.

[16:09:41]

Tronic:

However, I cannot keep using MythTV because the developers do not take bugs in the software seriously. AFAIK VDR is the only alternative, so I am now looking at that.

[16:10:15]

iamlindoro:

So go ask somewhere where they support VDR

[16:10:22]

Tronic:

It doesn't look too good, though. Apparently a fully featured DVB card (with tv out) is a requirement and it cannot use OpenGL (or XV) like MythTV.

[16:11:10]

Tronic:

I am asking here because you know how MythTV works and thus should be able to answer this better.

[16:11:29]

Tronic:

(without me having to explain how I want the software to work)

[16:11:33]

mchou:

mythtv devs dont take bugs seriously?

[16:11:45]

mchou:

that's news to me

[16:12:08]

black_Nightmare_:

mmchou..the question is....how much video can even be sent over a keyboard&mouse shared usb1.1 bus ^_^

[16:12:42]

iamlindoro:

More likely some bug that's a priority to him hasn't been addressed quickly enough so he wants to come in here and vent his frustrations... dude, it's open source... if there's a bug that's such a big deal to you, fix it yourself

[16:12:43]

mchou:

black_Nightmare_: if you cant afford to get the proper hardware, dont bother

[16:13:13]

Tronic:

mchou: Ever wondered why the channel scanning can stay broken for years? Or how the program tends to segfault so often (even if that is not so common nowadays)? Or how the frontend just hangs and goes totally unresponsive if anything happens to the server?

[16:13:24]

black_Nightmare_:

mmchou..there's already firewire so :p

[16:13:31]

mchou:

Tronic: huh??

[16:13:36]

Tronic:

At the very least, I'd expect being able to quit the frontend, but it just freezes.

[16:13:50]

mchou:

never has happened to me

[16:14:04]

mchou:

Tronic: ^

[16:14:06]

Tronic:

Apparently only bugs that worry the developers get fixed.

[16:14:12]

mchou:

lol

[16:14:20]

iamlindoro:

Channel scanning works fine for me on multiple myth systems, I don't get segfaults, and my frontend never hangs (and if the backend goes down, the frontend tells me so)... so perhaps the issue is between the keyboard and chair

[16:14:51]

mchou:

Tronic: you are funny

[16:15:06]

iamlindoro:

again, dude, This is a myth room where people support myth, don't ask us how some other shite software works especially if you want to trash-talk myth... do your own damn googling

[16:15:26]

mchou:

show us on trac where this issue is, maybe we might take you seriously

[16:15:37]

mchou:

trac.mythtv.org

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black_Nightmare_:

hey iamlindoro just curious but what was with the multiply enter&exits (and the underscores at random too) earlier on today?

[16:16:21]

mchou:

Tronic: especially considering nobody I know using myth have such problems

[16:16:39]

iamlindoro:

black_Nightmare_: I stay logged in on multiple systems

[16:16:57]

Tronic:

mchou: Just look at their bug database: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/report/1

[16:17:24]

mchou:

Tronic: what about it?

[16:17:32]

Tronic:

Notice how most of the bugs are still marked new, which means that the developers haven't looked at the issue at all. Even though the bug reports have been around for a long time.

[16:17:36]

iamlindoro:

He asked you to point out the *specific* issues you're referring to... and more interestingly, any bugs or patches *you* have submitted

[16:17:38]

mchou:

Tronic: those issues get fixed all the time

[16:18:27]

black_Nightmare_:

iamlindoro...ah ok

[16:20:14]

Tronic:

Specific issues reported by me: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4305 http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4303 and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4304

[16:20:43]

GreyFoxx:

two of the overall biggest problems is 1. An inability to reproduce a reported problem. Be it lack of identical hardware or whatever. And 2. Lack of free time

[16:20:53]

GreyFoxx:

hahah so you are whining about tickets less than 2 weeks old ?

[16:21:08]

Tronic:

Granted that 4304 is partly a feature request and not a serious bug by any means, but marking the explanation of where to get the correct information "invalid" because no patch is attached is just stupid.

[16:21:14]

GreyFoxx:

Awwww I'll get the manager over here with acoupon for a free dinner cause of the poor service you have recieved

[16:22:00]

GreyFoxx:

Of course I'm just being antagonizing and I suppose that never gets anyone anywhere so I shouldn't do it

[16:22:17]

Tronic:

GreyFoxx: Quit trolling already.

[16:22:18]

iamlindoro:

Trac isn't the place for feature requests... the wiki wishlist is

[16:22:32]

iamlindoro:

*that's* why your ticket was closed

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mchou:

Tronic: you didnt even attach a debug output

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Tronic:

The channel number thing is a bug, not just a feature request.

[16:22:48]

mchou:

nor explain how to reproduce

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Tronic:

mchou: On which bug?

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mchou:

4305

[16:23:23]

Tronic:

mchou: I assumed that it is so trivial that none is needed.

[16:23:36]

iamlindoro:

Tronic: It's *not* a bug, just that myth goes about it differently than what you're used to

[16:23:53]

mchou:

lol

[16:24:04]

mchou:

trivial

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Tronic:

You can reproduce it with no effort.

[16:24:27]

mchou:

how?

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Tronic:

Watch Live TV, unplug your network cable and there you are.

[16:24:37]

mchou:

lol

[16:25:01]

mchou:

you expect mythtv to be able to fix a HW problem?

[16:25:03]

GreyFoxx:

Ok, not THAT ticket I did try to reproduce, after several seconds of "black" I get popped out to the menu

[16:25:10]

Tronic:

(just one of the many ways to reproduce it, and I would be really surprised if not all developers of the program had came across it)

[16:25:24]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: I get the same here

[16:25:35]

mchou:

I dont go around unplugging network cables

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Tronic:

mchou: I expect it to handle it gracefully.

[16:25:49]

mchou:

it is handled gracefully

[16:25:51]

Tronic:

mchou: I don't see Firefox freezing because the network is down.

[16:25:56]

mchou:

lol

[16:26:06]

Tronic:

mchou: It just tells me that it cannot connect the server and keeps 100 % responsive at all times.

[16:26:36]

Tronic:

Mythfrontend stops responding when there is a network delay and completely freezes if the network goes down.

[16:26:38]

mchou:

it works like any other sw. it times out

[16:26:48]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: You running svn ?

[16:26:54]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Yes

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Tronic:

(or if the backend segfaults or otherwise goes down)

[16:26:58]

GreyFoxx:

Ok so am I

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mchou:

and until the timeout period elapses does the UI come back

[16:27:18]

Tronic:

mchou: The bug in that case was that it wasn't timeouting here.

[16:27:18]

GreyFoxx:

so It appears that Tronic might be suffering a long fixed bug (He;s using 0.20.2)

[16:27:27]

mchou:

Tronic: lol

[16:27:38]

Tronic:

First it timeouted and displayed that error message (as described in the bug report), but then stayed at black screen.

[16:27:41]

mchou:

people here just told you how it times out

[16:27:50]

GreyFoxx:

0.20.2 is 0.20 + fixes + Schedulesdirect stuff. Not all fixes get backported

[16:27:51]

gnome42:

I'm looking for someone who is running current trunk, and has a few minutes to confirm a bug with lingering recordings.

[16:28:42]

GreyFoxx:

gnome42: I'm running multirec which was sync;d about a week or so ago. Only differences are upnp stuff I'm working on

[16:29:19]

iamlindoro:

Regardless, looks like he's looking for a place to bitch about his frustrations in having a broken myth setup... if you ask me, the most telling thing is the numerous segfaults he seems to get, which in most common cases seems to result from something badly broken in that individual's setup.

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gnome42:

GreyFoxx: yeah, me too.

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mchou:

Tronic: maybe you can ask for a refund :)

[16:30:40]

gnome42:

GreyFoxx: Got a minute to try and reproduce it? Just want to make sure it isn't something I've fubar'd :)

[16:31:09]

GreyFoxx:

Tronic: Or try trunk. see if the behaviours still exist (the channel scanner not picking the channel number you want is likely still in there though)

[16:31:16]

GreyFoxx:

gnome42: Sure

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gnome42:

GreyFoxx: k, cool. Should be easy.

[16:31:51]

gnome42:

GreyFoxx: Schedule a manula record for a couple minutes starting a minutes in the future ...

[16:32:07]

Tronic:

Anyway, the main reason why I am looking for another piece of software is the way that MythTV developers respond to bug reports. I could keep using a piece of software that is broken if the developers had a serious approach at fixing the issues. Now I see myself being made fun of and the (quite valid) bugs going marked invalid or just ignored (I assume that nobody could figure out a nice fake reason for marking 4303 ...

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Tronic:

... invalid and that's why it is being ignored).

[16:32:13]

gnome42:

then open livetv on the recorded it was scheduled on, then just wait.

[16:32:37]

gnome42:

open livetv on the recorder it was scheduled on ...

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iamlindoro:

Tronic: K, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out... and to be clear, most of us making fun of you are users...

[16:33:33]

iamlindoro:

although I'm pretty sure most of us have submitted patches for the behaviors we don't like, too... And I'm no programmer. :P

[16:33:47]

gnome42:

GreyFoxx: Then wait until the scheduled recording has completed and check upcoming recordings in mythweb.

[16:34:11]

mchou:

Tronic: you're a real funny guy

[16:34:40]

mchou:

Tronic: you attach a mysql table and expect devs to know where you are

[16:34:57]

gnome42:

GreyFoxx: the bug is that it will stay in rsRecording state after it should have finished.

[16:35:15]

Tronic:

iamlindoro: Got a few projects of my own, and I do fix all problems reported on them very quickly, but I have no intention at learning how MythTV internals work, so that I could write patches that the developers already familiar with the codebase could write much faster.

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Tronic:

mchou: How does it matter where I am?

[16:36:09]

Tronic:

mchou: I don't see the developers getting any wiser by knowing which cable network I am on.

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GreyFoxx:

Tronic: 4305 is not easily reproducable or it would be fixed. But as is mentioned in that ticket there is improved code to handle that sort of thing in svn so I might just be benefitting from it already being fixed. The initial bugreport was so measly of course it got closed. 4304 is a feature request without code. and 4303 likely hasn't been looked at in nthe 2 weeks leading up to xmas. I don't consider that shocking

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mchou:

Tronic: it matters so devs can look up the channels

[16:36:35]

Tronic:

mchou: There is no information about this cable network online.

[16:36:43]

mchou:

haha

[16:36:58]

Tronic:

It's a non-commercial campus network.

[16:37:07]

GreyFoxx:

gnome42: Ok, I'll try it

[16:37:15]

mchou:

Tronic: Wayne's World??

[16:37:24]

gnome42:

GreyFoxx: ok, thanks

[16:37:39]

Tronic:

I am missing the reference, as I have not seen that movie.

[16:37:57]

mchou:

haha!

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mchou:

In any case you opened this 2 weeks ago

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mchou:

Even commercial SW places dont respond that quickly

[16:40:01]

GreyFoxx:

Over xmas

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mchou:

hey, that too

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iamlindoro:

Tronic: Dude, you are *all* excuses... If you had submitted even *one* line of code you might be taken more seriously... I don't know the Myth Codebase, heck, I'm not even a professional programmer.. but *I* have submitted a patch before

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bradd:

say i have 2 backends and a third computer acting as a frontend. i can watch shows recorded on the master backend, but not from the slave backend. the slave backend has its own storage directory...i guess my questions is should this work?

[16:41:28]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: maybe Isaac is Jewish :)

[16:41:59]

Tronic:

iamlindoro: Why does one need to submit code in order to be taken seriously?

[16:42:30]

mchou:

Tronic: no, to be taken seriously you gotta have realistic expectations

[16:42:39]

Tronic:

Does submitting documentation or other content count? Can I perhaps pay for commercial support and be taken seriously?

[16:42:49]

iamlindoro:

Because you are bitching about a *feature request*, and the speed with which things get fixed... and we are all telling you if you don't like how fast they're getting fixed, NOTHING is stopping you from fixing them yourself, Mr. Few-of-my-own-projects!

[16:42:58]

mchou:

Tronic: I've submitted patches that took over 6 months to get incorporated

[16:43:27]

GreyFoxx:

Likely gonna see a lot of commits soon :)

[16:43:29]

Tronic:

mchou: Yes, that is a very good reason not to submit patches to such a project.

[16:43:38]

iamlindoro:

And I'm quite sure if you want to pay one or more of the devs to address your issues, they'll be more than happy to discuss that with you

[16:43:40]

mchou:

Tronic: haha!

[16:43:53]

GreyFoxx:

Tronic: Why? You aren't even running SVN so you wouldn't benefit from the patches

[16:43:56]

Tronic:

If it was written by a developer, it could be commited to SVN without such delays.

[16:44:03]

mchou:

Tronic: you obvious dont understand the developemt cycle anywhere

[16:44:10]

mchou:

development*

[16:44:35]

GreyFoxx:

Though a new release is on the horizon with a likely much more regular release schedule after that

[16:44:37]

Tronic:

Coming from someone else, the submitter is probably mostly ignored or made fun of, like a reporter of a bug.

[16:44:50]

GreyFoxx:

Most devs don';t report bugs, they fix them

[16:44:55]

mchou:

haha.

[16:45:19]

GreyFoxx:

and if they submit a patch It usually gets done quickyl cause patches go "Stale"

[16:45:24]

mchou:

Tronic: apparently you didnt drink enough egg nog over Xmas

[16:45:35]

iamlindoro:

Tronic, you're obviously not convinced by any of this... why are you still here? Go and enjoy Windows MCE.. or just go!

[16:45:54]

mchou:

or better yet good luck with VDR

[16:46:12]

iamlindoro:

Which, btw, pales in comparison to myth

[16:46:19]

mchou:

maybe the devs there fix faster than 2 wks :)

[16:47:10]

iamlindoro:

By all means, don't subject yourself to any further teasing... we'd all obviously be very broken up if your feelings got hurt.

[16:47:15]

Tronic:

I have submitted patches to others' projects in the past. Many projects accept the patch or even give me access to their VCS so that I can directly work on it and this is how I have got to work on some projects that I only intended to fix a bug on. Other projects require the submitter of a patch to defend the patch, to submit it numerous times and to fight on the mailing list, to actually get it included – even if the ...

[16:47:21]

Tronic:

... patch itself is good.

[16:47:35]

Tronic:

I can't see why the latter projects do that, but it is very discouraging.

[16:47:36]

mchou:

huh??

[16:47:54]

mchou:

I didnt see you submit any patches to myth

[16:48:01]

GreyFoxx:

gnome42: Ok, trying that now

[16:48:19]

Tronic:

Based on the response to those bug reports, and your experiences with delays, I am willing to bet that MythTV falls on the latter category.

[16:48:41]

mchou:

Tronic: and in any case you can always run your own patched copy.

[16:48:48]

Tronic:

There is no fear of me submitting patches to MythTV. You have already scared me away from trying that.

[16:49:03]

gnome42:

GreyFoxx: ok, when you get the AskAllowRecording OSD prompt, don't touch it, just let it timeout.

[16:49:11]

mchou:

If you're dissatisfied maybe you can fork myth

[16:49:16]

iamlindoro:

Don't go away angry... just go away!

[16:49:37]

mchou:

Tronic: you sure talk big

[16:50:12]

mchou:

Tronic: maybe enough devs will join you on your fork, who knows

[16:50:16]

anykey_:

Does someone else have problem with the channel scanner in trunk?

[16:50:21]

mindframe-:

Tronic, really if you want commercial support you would pay for the product, right?

[16:50:59]

GreyFoxx:

gnome42: Ok, scheduled the recording and I see it in upcoming recordings.

[16:51:24]

GreyFoxx:

Launched LiveTV on the same tuner+channel

[16:51:28]

mchou:

I gotta stop feeding the trolls

[16:51:38]

gnome42:

GreyFoxx: ok, cool.

[16:52:14]

mchou:

especially since I've finally got plone up and running

[16:52:36]

Tronic:

If I am ever going to work on a PVR software (which is quite unlikely), I am more likely to rewrite that from scratch rather than using MythTV or VDR as basis (mostly because I want to use clean C++ and I don't want dependencies on Qt or Xorg on the backend).

[16:52:41]

GreyFoxx:

gnome42: No popup. It just started recording

[16:53:07]

mchou:

Tronic: maybe you ought to consider python

[16:53:21]

GreyFoxx:

hehe or 16 lines of perl and a cronjob

[16:53:31]

mchou:

nobody starts new projects in C++ any more

[16:53:33]

GreyFoxx:

(inside job from the -dev list a couple years ago)

[16:53:40]

GreyFoxx:

err inside joke I meant

[16:53:54]

Tronic:

mindframe-: I have plenty of money and I spend it on things that I see useful.

[16:53:55]

gnome42:

GreyFoxx: that's ok probably, it was just too close to recording starttime probably. It did start on that recorder?

[16:53:58]

Tronic:

mindframe-: Got any suggestions?

[16:54:05]

GreyFoxx:

gnome42: Yup

[16:54:16]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: lol, I remember that

[16:54:24]

GreyFoxx:

both livetv and recording are using the same tuner/channel on the same slave backend

[16:54:31]

GreyFoxx:

just waiting for it to finish now

[16:54:37]

gnome42:

GreyFoxx: ok, probably good enough to trigger the problem.

[16:55:31]

Tronic:

mchou: Not going to start discussing about languages, but I can write safer code in C++ than I can in Python.

[16:55:34]

GreyFoxx:

mchou: Funny thing is there is a 16 line bash script + cron used in the book Hardware Hacking to make your own pvr "

[16:55:45]

mchou:

but I do wonder if the new firewire arch is ever going to be supported in myth

[16:56:27]

mchou:

Tronic: good luck on that

[16:56:46]

GreyFoxx:

gnome42: According to mythweb the inprogress scheduled recording is done, and I can see it's done being written too

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mchou:

Tronic: by the time you finish compiling templates most ppl would have moved on to 5 new projects :)

[16:57:56]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: maybe the guy who started that wrote that book :)

[16:58:15]

i3ooi3oo:

is it just me or does the edit page for mythvideo allow for mysql interjection?

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mchou:

interjection??

[16:58:43]

mchou:

I think you meant injection

[16:58:53]

GreyFoxx:

i3ooi3oo: You mean the mythweb mythvideo stuff ?

[16:58:59]

i3ooi3oo:

yes

[16:59:02]

gnome42:

GreyFoxx: oh, so it's not lingering in the rsRecording state in mythweb upcoming recordings? or in the frontend for that matter?

[16:59:33]

GreyFoxx:

As far as I can tell it's all done

[16:59:49]

GreyFoxx:

nothing showing as in progress on the backends nor the frontend

[17:00:10]

gnome42:

GreyFoxx: hmm.. ok, thanks for confirming.

[17:00:30]

mchou:

and consider you can generate c++ code from python I see python as the way to go

[17:03:03]

i3ooi3oo:

GreyFoxx: I was looking around on mythweb and noticed that some of my edits came up with out the title information so i looked a the edit.php in the mythvideo module to see the actual query to see it it was the problem or what and notice that the insert doen't use the function mysql_real_escape_string()

[17:04:49]

mchou:

i3ooi3oo: bah. most php devs dont bother with such niceties

[17:05:44]

GreyFoxx:

well it should be escaped so I'd report it. But if I have access to your mythweb I can fsck your system anwyay :)

[17:06:05]

mchou:

Bingo!

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mchou:

this VDR stuff is real funny

[17:08:17]

mchou:

you guys notice the OSD is a rip off from Star Trek?

[17:08:54]

mchou:

Star Trek TNG computer console

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i3ooi3oo:

mchou: any php devs that still don't use these niceties shouldn't be working with mysql

[17:09:37]

mchou:

only reason I know is I've played Star Trek Elite Force some time ago :)

[17:10:36]

mchou:

i3ooi3oo: bah. I evaluated drupal and that thing is full of crap without those niceties

[17:11:22]

mchou:

in fact some tried to create a MySQL table with columns "Insert" & "Delete"

[17:11:30]

mchou:

I kid you not.

[17:12:15]

mchou:

http://drupal.org/node/201469

[17:12:24]

mchou:

read the last posting

[17:12:59]

mchou:

it's crazy

[17:13:36]

i3ooi3oo:

well if you are going to use reserved words you just need to `tick` them

[17:13:59]

i3ooi3oo:

it's not that hard to figure out

[17:14:10]

mchou:

i3ooi3oo: yeah. but having columns named like that is just silly

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i3ooi3oo:

agreed it comes from devs that don't know mysql

[17:14:58]

mchou:

you mean SQL in general :)

[17:16:05]

i3ooi3oo:

but as an systems security admin first i love the Open source community and the added job of looking over new "project" to see the security concerns

[17:16:36]

i3ooi3oo:

and my other admins wonder why each web project gets it's own username and pass in mysql

[17:16:46]

mchou:

i3ooi3oo: huh? you gotta be joking, right?

[17:17:02]

i3ooi3oo:

about ?

[17:17:11]

mchou:

09:16:05) i3ooi3oo: but as an systems security admin first i love the Open source community and the added job of looking over new "project" to see the security concerns

[17:17:28]

i3ooi3oo:

scaracim

[17:17:44]

mchou:

i3ooi3oo: yeah, just making sure

[17:17:56]

i3ooi3oo:

not that big of s nerd

[17:19:58]

i3ooi3oo:

is there a list of security issues with mythtv and it's components?

[17:20:06]

mchou:

lol

[17:20:18]

i3ooi3oo:

:(

[17:20:45]

mchou:

you afraid of your kid breaking into your pr0n collection?

[17:21:43]

i3ooi3oo:

no just wondering what other then mythtv can get fscked with mythweb on a server

[17:21:48]

i3ooi3oo:

*than

[17:22:28]

GreyFoxx:

i3ooi3oo: Myth has no security added to it's protocol

[17:22:31]

i3ooi3oo:

1st i have no children and 2nd porn is not on the mythbox

[17:22:43]

mchou:

lol

[17:22:48]

GreyFoxx:

Anyone who knows the protocol can connect to the port on the backend and change settings, added/remove recordings etc etc

[17:22:55]

mchou:

maybe you ought to get some pr0n :)

[17:23:11]

i3ooi3oo:

ok not worry about the myth protocol since the system is behind a firewall

[17:23:37]

mchou:

helps with the lack of kids situation

[17:23:39]

jams:

i3ooi3oo- yes thats the general idea. Protect your lan first.

[17:23:42]

i3ooi3oo:

and on the http and https is open

[17:23:43]

GreyFoxx:

well, if mythweb is behind an htaccess file and ssl'd there you go

[17:24:05]

GreyFoxx:

anyone leaving mythweb side open without at least an htaccess password is a fool

[17:24:14]

mchou:

htacess?? Sacre bleu

[17:24:15]

i3ooi3oo:

agreed

[17:24:20]

GreyFoxx:

a webspider can crawl it and delete all your files

[17:26:28]

mchou:

sometimes I wonder about open source

[17:27:11]

mchou:

In evaluating drupal for 1 hr I found serious code issues

[17:27:22]

i3ooi3oo:

is there any work on a mythweb code to add/delete playlists ?

[17:27:46]

mchou:

the sad thing is everything still worked and people dont know any better

[17:28:00]

cesman:

mchou: I'd say that is less of a reason to wonder, as you can audit the code

[17:28:18]

i3ooi3oo:

and nodoy cares till somebodies databse is erased

[17:28:26]

GreyFoxx:

i3ooi3oo: You can for music, mythvideo doesn't support playlists so nothing there

[17:28:39]

mchou:

cesman: no, I'm talking about ppl who just say here's a cool tool, let's use it

[17:29:04]

cesman:

then wonder about the people ;)

[17:29:33]

mchou:

cesman: what are you, a card carrying NRA member? :)

[17:30:58]

i3ooi3oo:

GreyFoxx: really cause i couldn't find it i will look at the code at lunch and see what i can find but i have yet to find any code with a "insert into music_playlists"

[17:31:01]

cesman:

No

[17:31:09]

cesman:

I believe in gun control

[17:32:02]

mchou:

cesman: so SW never got people killed is your premise? :)

[17:32:28]

cesman:

mchou: SW as in software?

[17:32:36]

mchou:

yup :)

[17:32:38]

iamlindoro_:

Hehe, one word for that-- avionics :)

[17:32:48]

cesman:

lol!

[17:33:01]

cesman:

mchou: I've no idea where you are going...

[17:33:09]

i3ooi3oo:

that should never be software firmware at the very least

[17:33:19]

mchou:

cesman: simple

[17:33:21]

cesman:

so, I'll get back to ironing my trousers so I can head out to work

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][eBerg:

anyone know anything about the home autimation protocol for receivers with rs-232 ports?

[17:35:05]

i3ooi3oo:

that is a serial connection

[17:35:22]

iamlindoro_:

Sounds like basic X11

[17:35:22]

][eBerg:

yes but what are the protocols for controling the receiver

[17:35:30]

iamlindoro_:

er X10

[17:35:34]

iamlindoro_:

er... whatever :)

[17:35:41]

i3ooi3oo:

that is a vender question

[17:36:04]

][eBerg:

yea you would thing thy just dont respond

[17:36:23]

][eBerg:

at least Harmon Kardon doesnt

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mchou:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

Oh, audio receivers

[17:36:52]

iamlindoro_:

so not actual home automation

[17:37:02]

][eBerg:

yea

[17:37:11]

][eBerg:

most recivers have a rs232 port

[17:37:28]

i3ooi3oo:

each chooses how to talk to the device most rs-232 connection use then ansi

[17:37:29]

][eBerg:

and there is suposed to be a standarized protocol for home automation over it

[17:37:39]

mchou:

it's all documented

[17:37:39]

iamlindoro_:

Erm... really? I've *never* owned one with rs-232... but I'm firmly in the low-to-mid-end camp

[17:37:57]

i3ooi3oo:

][eBerg: what brand is it

[17:38:08]

][eBerg:

mchou, can you point me to where, I've been googeling for 2 day Im googeling the wrong thing I guess

[17:38:17]

i3ooi3oo:

i am looking to get a new reciever

[17:38:22]

][eBerg:

i3ooi3oo: harman kardon avr-325

[17:38:37]

][eBerg:

yea Im looking an geting an onkyo

[17:38:45]

][eBerg:

sx705

[17:38:55]

][eBerg:

something with hdmi switching

[17:39:09]

mchou:

http://stereos.about.com/od/introductiontoste . . . dability.htm

[17:39:56]

mchou:

"Yamaha, for example, offers a free application from their website called Receiver Editor that allows you to configure most receiver settings on a PC that is connected to the RS-232 port on the receiver. B & K has developed BKcSuite on CD-ROM or as an Internet download for the same purpose. The settings can also be saved as a file for future use. Manufacturers that include RS-232 ports are as follows, but not limited to B & K, D

[17:40:55]

][eBerg:

yea, that does me no good, I want the protocols so I can write my own interface inside myth

[17:41:26]

mchou:

][eBerg: ever heard of reverse engineering?

[17:42:01]

][eBerg:

yes, but I would much rather not blow up a receiver

[17:42:08]

mchou:

http://www.sherwoodusa.com/pdf/SherwoodRS232protocol(7th).pdf

[17:43:02]

][eBerg:

that will help, thanks

[17:43:24]

][eBerg:

I can at least do some tests to see if my receiver is the same

[17:43:36]

mchou:

bingo!

[17:44:50]

][eBerg:

if they are very different I'll probably write a module that uses XML definition files

[17:45:11]

][eBerg:

I'm actualy suprised no one has done this already

[17:45:39]

mchou:

plenty ppl have done it.

[17:45:46]

mchou:

Crestron, AVR

[17:46:27]

mchou:

http://www.cinemaronline.com/mlserver.drivers.html

[17:47:11]

mchou:

d/l that and start hacking

[17:47:48]

mchou:

Harman Kardon Device driver for Harman Kardon AVR 325/AVR 525/AVR 7200 RS232 Receivers

[17:48:39]

][eBerg:

nice I have a 320 which should be very similar to the 325

[17:49:53]

mchou:

you gotta pay for that driver though :)

[17:56:14]

mindframe-:

what files do i need to backup if i'm going to redo my myth install? im currently using mythbuntu and i want to switch to gentoo + myth trunk

[17:56:40]

mindframe-:

it's a combined fe/be

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iamlindoro_:

Backup the database, save any recordings and/or media

[17:59:58]

iamlindoro_:

that's pretty much it

[18:00:02]

defaultro:

mchou, you there?

[18:00:13]

mchou:

][eBerg: http://www.netremote.org/forums/showthread.ph . . . 6&page=2

[18:00:15]

defaultro:

just want to know if you've done selling at ebay

[18:00:21]

defaultro:

hey mchou :)

[18:00:26]

mchou:

][eBerg: it's all right there dude

[18:00:50]

mchou:

defaultro: fleabay is my local dump :)

[18:01:02]

mchou:

I prefer craigslist

[18:01:15]

mchou:

local and no fees

[18:01:16]

defaultro:

my auction ended. I just want to know if I should send an invoice to the winner. it's my first time to sell

[18:01:24]

mchou:

really??

[18:01:36]

mchou:

you a virgin?

[18:01:37]

defaultro:

yes, it's just a switch

[18:01:41]

defaultro:

:)

[18:01:54]

mchou:

did you get a good price?

[18:02:02]

defaultro:

honestly, not much but it's an oldbox

[18:02:15]

defaultro:

it's ok since it was just collecting dust in the basement

[18:02:22]

mchou:

you dont need to send an invoice.

[18:02:30]

defaultro:

oh ok, i'll just wait then

[18:02:35]

defaultro:

thanks

[18:02:47]

mchou:

if you get nothing in about 1wk to 10days ten send invoice

[18:02:56]

defaultro:

gotcha

[18:02:56]

mchou:

then*

[18:03:22]

mchou:

next time just try craigslist

[18:03:39]

defaultro:

i did but some people that emails me are just so annoying

[18:03:46]

mchou:

sell a lot of bike equipment on craigslist

[18:04:00]

mchou:

like how?

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defaultro:

he'll tell me that he's interested then, he'll tell me that he's busy on that day. It took two weeks for all the same message

[18:04:44]

mchou:

][eBerg: yo, you see the link I sent?

[18:04:56]

defaultro:

busy on that day to pick it up

[18:05:05]

mchou:

defaultro: you only had one response on craigslist?

[18:05:08]

defaultro:

I should have stopped the first week

[18:05:15]

defaultro:

2

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mchou:

lol

[18:05:21]

mchou:

that's bad

[18:05:33]

defaultro:

one is like, he has a shipper

[18:05:43]

mchou:

maybe chicago is not so hot for craigslist

[18:05:47]

defaultro:

he won't come over and someone will pick it up for him

[18:05:56]

defaultro:

but found out that those are fake

[18:06:02]

mchou:

defaultro: no, that's phishing

[18:06:05]

defaultro:

yeah

[18:06:11]

defaultro:

i didn't reply

[18:06:16]

mchou:

good

[18:06:43]

mchou:

on craigslist ALWAYS check the email headers

[18:06:51]

defaultro:

yep

[18:07:26]

defaultro:

so yeah, my friend in LA likes craigslist so much

[18:07:27]

mchou:

aso it's good to say leave phone number on email, or dont bother :)

[18:07:32]

defaultro:

and also my friend in New York

[18:07:35]

mchou:

also*

[18:07:40]

defaultro:

gotcha

[18:08:01]

mchou:

and call them up on skye

[18:08:06]

mchou:

skype*

[18:08:08]

defaultro:

ah

[18:08:12]

defaultro:

i haven;t tried that yet

[18:08:17]

mchou:

so they dont get your phone #

[18:08:18]

defaultro:

but only if they have skype

[18:08:27]

defaultro:

oh

[18:08:36]

defaultro:

i got it

[18:08:38]

mchou:

nah, pay $20 call anywhere in USA for 1 yr.

[18:08:47]

mchou:

any phone

[18:08:53]

defaultro:

via computer correct

[18:08:58]

mchou:

yeah

[18:09:02]

defaultro:

like the old school dialpad

[18:09:13]

mchou:

kinda

[18:09:27]

defaultro:

how is the voice quality?

[18:09:36]

mchou:

I use skype for crap like that cause they dont have caller ID

[18:09:57]

mchou:

voice quality is actually not bad

[18:10:01]

defaultro:

ok

[18:10:15]

mchou:

I wouldnt drop a real phone though :)

[18:10:16]

defaultro:

i had Vonage last year and there were times it would get choppy

[18:10:32]

mchou:

you can get chop on skype too

[18:10:36]

defaultro:

k

[18:10:46]

mchou:

but I dont use it that often

[18:10:54]

defaultro:

so looks like internet providers aren't giving those companies guaranteed bandwith

[18:11:01]

defaultro:

bandwidth

[18:11:04]

mchou:

hell no

[18:11:10]

defaultro:

:)

[18:11:19]

mchou:

vonage stock is what, 5 cents?

[18:11:22]

mchou:

lol

[18:11:33]

defaultro:

so looks like it's going out of business?

[18:12:07]

mchou:

with sprint putting in the squeeze, I'd say so

[18:12:17]

defaultro:

ok

[18:13:22]

mchou:

I meant Verizon

[18:13:36]

defaultro:

ok

[18:13:48]

defaultro:

do you have Fios in your area?

[18:14:01]

mchou:

Dont think so

[18:14:04]

defaultro:

ok

[18:14:10]

mchou:

never see it advertise

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defaultro:

but looks like it's only for internet

[18:15:46]

ivor_:

ok I've just got to share this with you all!

[18:15:55]

defaultro:

wow, fiber optic to the home

[18:15:59]

defaultro:

go ivor

[18:16:20]

ivor_:

due to the season had the tv on.... I wandered off to check email, burn a dvd etc...

[18:16:31]

ivor_:

had a shout from my 6 year old son in the other room.

[18:16:35]

mchou:

lol

[18:16:44]

ivor_:

DAD the Grinch has gone all strange....

[18:16:50]

ivor_:

walked back in....

[18:16:52]

mchou:

haha

[18:17:14]

ivor_:

oh son... those are "adverts" the grinch will be back on in a moment.

[18:17:21]

ivor_:

seriously. :)

[18:17:45]

mchou:

bah!

[18:17:53]

mchou:

that's no so funny

[18:17:58]

mchou:

not*

[18:18:14]

mchou:

I thought you had a better story

[18:18:17]

ivor_:

I thought it was cool he thought adverts were strange.

[18:18:24]

ivor_:

he's not used to seeing them. :)

[18:18:39]

mchou:

that's cause he's 6 yrs old :)

[18:18:50]

defaultro:

lol

[18:18:51]

mchou:

not because of myth

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mchou:

ivor_: but I'm sure you sure save a lot on cereal :)

[18:19:49]

mchou:

and other toys :)

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ivor_:

well I'm pretty sure it does make a difference actually. he doesn't see any adverts at all.

[18:20:57]

mchou:

ivor_: well, that's good

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mchou:

no capt. crunch for your kid!

[18:22:09]

ivor:

"generic" mixed wheat hoops.

[18:22:22]

ivor:

or generic toast. :)

[18:22:30]

mchou:

damn, starting the fiber early

[18:22:51]

mchou:

my parents had to pay m to eat wheat cereal

[18:22:55]

mchou:

me*

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mchou:

ivor: the real question is does he record programs himself?

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][eBerg:

that was pretty simple

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jhulst:

So if I record a program at 1080p, will myth play it back on a 720p screen? Will the internal player resize it?

[18:56:11]

mchou:

][eBerg: you get the pdf?

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iamlindoro_:

jhulst, yes

[18:57:45]

iamlindoro_:

although where you'll get a 1080p stream to record, I don't know :)

[18:58:05]

jhulst:

iamlindoro_: just wondering for in the future, I'm looking at tvs right now :)

[18:58:17]

iamlindoro_:

jhulst, Max broadcast that I know of is 1080i

[18:58:33]

peque:

hey – Is it possible to to stream radio from a PVR500 installed in masterbackend(under the stairs – solution) to frontends in other part of the house

[18:58:52]

iamlindoro_:

peque, yes, that's exactly the idea of myth

[18:58:53]

jhulst:

So getting a 720p should limit me too much right now

[18:59:34]

iamlindoro_:

jhulst, No, not too much... Broadcast goes to 1080i, 1080p is on recorded media like Blu-ray, HD-DVD, etc... but I highly recommend a 1080 set if you can manage it

[19:00:08]

peque:

Well – I know , and followed a guide on Mythwiki – But as I can see from that one – It'll still look the local machine to search for the PVR500 – and haven't found anything about Radio in that setup

[19:00:20]

iamlindoro_:

the difference is astounding, and believe me you want to watch sports in 1080

[19:00:31]

jhulst:

iamlindoro_: I would like too, but I don't have a whole lot of room, and I can't find any that are 32" or under

[19:00:43]

AndyCap:

heh, if you could actually get a 720p set and not some crappy 1366x768 resolution

[19:00:48]

jhulst:

I'm thinking about just getting a large computer monitor just for the 1080p

[19:00:50]

iamlindoro_:

peque, Oh, excuse me, didn't clue into "radio." Well, its' certainly doable, just requires some outside-of-myth work

[19:01:30]

iamlindoro_:

and probably some clever scripting... probably no out-of-the boxsolution for that on myth

[19:02:02]

peque:

Great – can you guide me to a guide or anything like that – Haven't been able in the "normal" places to look or ain't using the rigth word.

[19:03:18]

peque:

Clever scripting – well ain't my thing – so was hoping a guide could point me the way

[19:03:18]

iamlindoro_:

peque, probably the easiest way to do it is set up your radio recordings on the backend, record to an NFS share, and mount that share on each frontend in mythvideo as something like "Radio." Then set mplayer as the player for that extension and you can browse to and play the audio via mythvideo

[19:03:32]

iamlindoro_:

I'm not aware of any guide, but haven't gone searching for one either

[19:04:33]

iamlindoro_:

re: the recordings on the backend, should just be able to set up a cron job for each scheduled radio recording

[19:04:33]

mchou:

Forget it

[19:05:02]

mchou:

radio will severely interfere with any ongoing recordings and vice versa

[19:05:33]

mchou:

myth wont know about the tuner allocation

[19:06:01]

mchou:

best to use internet radio

[19:06:12]

iamlindoro_:

true, probably the best way

[19:06:24]

mchou:

or use kradio on a dedicated bttv tuner

[19:06:46]

peque:

So I'll do that – most of the stations are on the internet here in Denmark

[19:06:49]

mchou:

i.e. a tuner that myth doesnt know about

[19:07:18]

iamlindoro_:

peque, look into mythstream, it's a plugin that allows recording of internet audio streams... might work well for your purpose

[19:07:20]

mchou:

peque: kradio is the radio equivalent of mythtv

[19:07:47]

peque:

Great thanks

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atiedemann:

hello, I'm using an ATI Display adapter Readon 2400 HD and in TV mode the output ist slow

[19:23:53]

justinh:

that's the problem :)

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iamlindoro_:

haha

[19:24:01]

iamlindoro_:

I *knew* you would be the first to respond

[19:24:31]

atiedemann:

I'm using on my laptop an nvidia display card and it works?!

[19:24:45]

iamlindoro_:

atiedemann, ATI *stinks* in linux.

[19:24:48]

justinh:

amazing. ATI doesn't work, Nvidia works. I see a pattern there

[19:25:01]

iamlindoro_:

1) Replace with nVidia card 2) There is no step 2.

[19:25:08]

fryfrog:

ATI FTL :)

[19:25:08]

atiedemann:

when i see an recording it works?!

[19:25:31]

justinh:

oh wait then

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fryfrog:

great!

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justinh:

you're using software encoding (a 'tuner card') and your CPU isn't meaty enough maybe

[19:28:02]

Toxicity999:

Heh: http://xs322.xs.to/xs322/07523/im000813.jpg that's where my myth"box" now resides.

[19:28:08]

justinh:

that's just a plain guess of course, based on the amount of information given

[19:28:34]

justinh:

Toxicity999: that doesn't look much like a dustbin

[19:28:41]

Toxicity999:

lol

[19:28:55]

Toxicity999:

I have a screen over it now.

[19:29:01]

Toxicity999:

Just the DVD tray eposed.

[19:29:05]

justinh:

still won't look like a dustbin though

[19:29:40]

justinh:

I might just be over-reacting – I mean it might not be an Epia board after all ;)

[19:29:50]

Toxicity999:

it looks much better than the bare case it was in before and takes up about 1/10 the space.

[19:29:53]

justinh:

mine's going on ebay soon =D

[19:30:47]

atiedemann:

Hi, which nvidia card should i buy, I'need mini pci

[19:31:01]

Toxicity999:

this hardware is mega low heat, when/if I start using my current desktop hardware... which is full ATX and a processing space heater... it'll need a rea lcase.

[19:31:31]

justinh:

Toxicity999: true, but then a CPU which doesn't produce much heat doesn't produce much in the way of er.. processing either :-\

[19:32:05]

Toxicity999:

haha, true. It's just a 933MHz P3

[19:32:14]

Toxicity999:

but I have it hacked in to submission is does SD dreamily.

[19:32:52]

iamlindoro_:

atiedemann, Mini PCI? Are you trying to upgrade a laptop card? Probably not possible

[19:33:10]

Toxicity999:

And boots in about 30 seconds on this old hardware, which I think I could lessen even more... Thinking about throwing LinuxBIOS in it... should work with my chipsets

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J-e-f-f-A:

Toxicity999: Heck, you might even get it to play 720p using an Nvidia card and XVMC... I had it working on a 1GHz PIII ... ;-) OSD caused stuttering, but worked fine otherwise...

[19:33:59]

justinh:

just watched the first of my christmas recordings. "If you're not feeling very festive, ring this telephone number to speak to somebody who sounds like they care" scrolled across the screen at least once. FFS

[19:34:16]

atiedemann:

iamlindoro: no, I've a small form faktor pc in the living room

[19:34:24]

Toxicity999:

J-e-f-f-A Yea, but most downloaded 720p isn't MPEG2 in my experience, and I have no incoming HD.

[19:34:39]

atiedemann:

iamlindoro: and the PCI Card is half pci hight

[19:34:40]

justinh:

atiedemann: are you sure it's mini-pci, not pci-e ?

[19:34:42]

iamlindoro_:

atiedemann, Are the graphics are *mini* pci?

[19:34:57]

Toxicity999:

I think he means a low profile PCI card.

[19:35:02]

iamlindoro_:

ahYeah, seems like

[19:35:12]

xris:

justinh: I wonder if mythtv.org could/should host your 720p mythtv demo video (maybe a torrent of it, too)

[19:35:22]

justinh:

people should say what they mean, then folks might _know_ what they meant ;)

[19:35:28]

iamlindoro_:

Probably some low profile FX 5200s

[19:35:28]

Toxicity999:

Lol.

[19:35:41]

Toxicity999:

5 series and up will give you the least trouble, yea.

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atiedemann:

iamlindoro:i think it is pci-e

[19:35:53]

Toxicity999:

anything above 5 and you're looking at cooling issues most likely.

[19:36:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

Toxicity999: Ah... I forgot about that... (I'm a US guy – ATSC = mpeg2...) smack oops...

[19:36:10]

Toxicity999:

lol

[19:36:27]

justinh:

xris: gbee suggested it a while back but I'm not too happy about it. I don't have any issues with _a_ video being hosted – I'd rather it be one I'm happy with and up to date.. so I'd make another in all likelihood

[19:36:28]

** J-e-f-f-A has Justinh's mythtv demo on his ipod video... ;-) **

[19:36:29]

Toxicity999:

Well I have no Over Cable HD anyway, I download things like that, but it's rarely if ever mpeg2

[19:36:52]

** J-e-f-f-A hopes it's ok with him! ;-) **

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atiedemann:

OK: I'll buy a nvidia Card an test it

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?sku . . . _sku=6931009

[19:37:19]

xris:

justinh: ahh. well, better get cracking on that new version. ;)

[19:37:19]

iamlindoro_:

That would likely work nicely

[19:37:25]

** justinh wonders if all those creative commons HD videos are as good as people say... **

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Hey, you do good work. It takes alot of effort to put stuff like that together. ;-)

[19:38:46]

justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: tell me about it. for a mass audience, especially where it'd effectively be 'selling' mythtv I'd much rather it be more polished though

[19:39:22]

justinh:

I'll watch it again a few times & see if it really needs to be re-made

[19:39:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: I hear ya. I'm a perfectionist too! ;-)

[19:39:39]

Iolaus:

Hye all, does anyone know who danielk of the mythtv-vid branch is?

[19:39:53]

justinh:

Iolaus: he's a guy who very seldom visits IRC

[19:40:06]

justinh:

and as far as that branch goes, it's been merged already

[19:40:21]

Iolaus:

justinh: Bummer. Oh, I'm running Trunk now by the way :)

[19:40:26]

xris:

yeah, should have been merged months ago

[19:40:32]

justinh:

Iolaus: some people have lives :D

[19:40:37]

xris:

daniel doesn't hang out in irc much, though

[19:40:48]

Iolaus:

it looks like it has been merged but not all of the proposed features are implemented

[19:40:58]

Iolaus:

I think that is the situation, it is kind of hard to follow

[19:40:59]

justinh:

:-O

[19:41:06]

justinh:

ask for your money back ;)

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Iolaus:

heh, I was actually going to ask danielk about it since he created the ticket that lists the features

[19:41:45]

justinh:

Iolaus: -dev list for best results maybe

[19:41:53]

Iolaus:

I'm just curious if some of the features are in the pipeline or if they've since been discarded

[19:42:02]

justinh:

aghhhhh I've eaten too many pickles today

[19:42:08]

Iolaus:

justinh: I'll probably end up there I guess :)

[19:42:16]

justinh:

like 5

[19:42:26]

justinh:

everybody have a good Christmas then?

[19:42:27]

Iolaus:

justinh: That wins for most random comment of the day!

[19:42:45]

Iolaus:

My x-mas was pretty good. You?

[19:42:45]

** J-e-f-f-A my thoughts exactly... ;-) **

[19:42:53]

xris:

or just ask in the ticket.. but there's been discussion about that stuff on the -dev mailing list so you might want to check the archives, too

[19:43:50]

justinh:

great time was had by all including the dog. glad to be home now though. 2 days of relaxing & editing a promo video ahead by the look of things :P

[19:43:50]

Iolaus:

xris: thanks for the heads up. Any tips on a keyword I could search or a ballpark of when the discussion was or should I just dig a bit?

[19:44:05]

Iolaus:

nice

[19:44:34]

squish102:

i dont know enough about HD and SD. my HD tuner records in mpg(?) format 1920x1080. my dlink media extender only plays SD in 720x480. what/how do i get it in a format to play?

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xris:

"mythtv-vid branch" would be a good recommendation

[19:44:54]

justinh:

squish102: that'd be a call for transcoding

[19:45:04]

justinh:

or buy a new media extender

[19:45:13]

iamlindoro_:

and codec/container will depend on your extender

[19:45:14]

Iolaus:

xris: thanks

[19:45:15]

squish102:

so googleing for "transcoding HD to SD"

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justinh:

squish102: looky in the wiki wiki too :)

[19:46:03]

squish102:

and at the same time i hope i can crop the bars on the left and right

[19:46:17]

squish102:

but that might be over my head

[19:46:25]

justinh:

squish102: there might not _be_ any bars

[19:46:26]

Toxicity999:

meh what path is the channel icon finder script in again?

[19:46:33]

justinh:

Toxicity999: /contrib

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][eBerg:

where are you guys finding CC HD video? the search feature on creativecommons.org does not work at all on the 64bit firefox

[19:47:27]

squish102:

justinh, yip, i will write to trancoding scripts, as i know some of the sieries are with bars, and i'll run the cropping one on those.. the others i wont

[19:48:27]

xris:

squish102: nuvexport can crop now

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iamlindoro_:

What he meant was, just because something *displays* with thsoe bars doesn't mean they're included in the stream.. usually not

[19:48:47]

squish102:

xris, i thought it was only a % all round?

[19:49:00]

squish102:

or are u talking svn?

[19:49:26]

squish102:

i have nuvexport version: 0.4 0.20071129.svn

[19:50:13]

xris:

squish102: nuvexport is always svn.. I don't release versions

[19:50:24]

xris:

squish102: look at nuvexportrc file.. the options are in the config, not in the UI

[19:51:08]

squish102:

great... thanks, can i set up some different config files if i want to crop or not

[19:52:39]

Led-Hed:

anyone know if you can simultaneously capture video from the RF and Composite ports on a PVR-250?

[19:52:44]

squish102:

and any idea what to crop left and right to remove the bars from a 16:9 to 4:3

[19:53:15]

xris:

squish102: look at the "profile" stuff

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][eBerg:

are there any supported/known-working component capture cards supporting 720p?

[19:53:59]

xris:

squish102: there's a sample 16:9 crop mode in the default nuvexportrc file

[19:54:07]

Iolaus:

does anyone know if the video profile stuff is supposed to be included in the trunk? I'm not finding it.

[19:54:14]

Led-Hed:

][eBerg, I doubt it

[19:54:25]

xris:

][eBerg: not in the consumer space... analog HD takes a LOT of processing power to compress in realtime

[19:54:37]

xris:

and you'd lose quality, too.

[19:55:12]

][eBerg:

I have an onxy2 deskside with 4 processors and 8G ram and 23TB of FCdrive space

[19:55:16]

squish102:

xris, thanks again. the sample 16:9 is the top and bottom bars

[19:55:35]

squish102:

looking through the wiki now to see if there is an example

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][eBerg:

processing power is not a problem

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xris:

squish102: oh, you have side bars...

[19:56:46]

xris:

you would just force 4:3 output, and crop some off of the sides... some simple math should tell you how much to remove.

[19:57:23]

squish102:

haha... ok simple math > me

[19:58:14]

Toxicity999:

][eBerg WTF, Is *that* where all the seti juice goes?

[19:58:45]

][eBerg:

haha, it's used for video compositing, it's a bit slow for modern rendering

[19:59:03]

][eBerg:

has infinate reality 2 and mpeg composer and a stone

[19:59:11]

Toxicity999:

Tccht.

[19:59:52]

][eBerg:

it puts off more heat that the house furnace too

[19:59:55]

xris:

][eBerg: processing power would have to be on the encoder card... and you'd still need a pretty beefy machine to do realtime HD encoding.. I doubt a standard core2 proc could handle it.

[20:00:23]

][eBerg:

Im not talkin inthell x8crap6

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Toxicity999:

45nm Quads!

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][eBerg:

and Im not going to do it in real time

[20:00:50]

xris:

][eBerg: and I'm saying that you'd need a special mpeg encoding coprocessor, no matter what kind of CPU your computer has

[20:00:50]

mindframe-:

][eBerg, 23TB... wow

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][eBerg:

I'll dup it to the fiber channel arra then encode from there

[20:01:19]

xris:

either way, there aren't any consumer-grade analog HD encoding cards... last one I heard of cost about $8k and didn't have linux drivers.

[20:01:32]

Toxicity999:

lol

[20:01:35]

][eBerg:

8k, your out of the loop

[20:01:41]

Toxicity999:

it's 8 grand, but WORST OF ALL, no linux drivers D=

[20:01:46]

][eBerg:

I know black magic has one for 350

[20:01:57]

nosman:

!news

[20:01:57]

][eBerg:

still no linux drivers

[20:02:03]

][eBerg:

but a far cry from 8G

[20:03:21]

mchou:

][eBerg: you get the pdf?

[20:03:23]

xris:

][eBerg: not something I pay attention to when re-encoding analog HD seems stupid when you can get stuff over firewire or QAM for much less effort.

[20:03:36]

Toxicity999:

fothe profit margin of a couple of 8K boards they could hire people to write the drivers for you

[20:04:04]

][eBerg:

mchou, yea, I have it sorta working I can change the volume already

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][eBerg:

xris, I mainly want to dump 720p from the DTV H20

[20:04:32]

xris:

Toxicity999: depends on what kind of custom chips and R&D that takes

[20:04:37]

Toxicity999:

True.

[20:04:37]

xris:

][eBerg: no clue what that is.

[20:04:46]

Toxicity999:

I wasn't speaking literally anyway lol.

[20:04:48]

xris:

and like I said, it was a pro card.. designed for TV stations

[20:05:16]

Toxicity999:

did oyu see that box that hit digg a few weeks back? I can't remember the name...

[20:05:54]

][eBerg:

xris, the h20 is the direcTV HD receiver

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Toxicity999:

Whatever it was, my friend got to play with one at work, we reaches the consensus that it would be the most bad ass consumer PVR EVER, lol.

[20:06:30]

xris:

][eBerg: ah.. still.. seems weird to encode analog HD... you'd lose bunch of quality.

[20:06:32]

joobie:

guys im trying to find a good dual tuner USB dongle that support DVB-T .. something to use in AU ..

[20:06:43]

joobie:

i've looked at the hardware wiki, but unable to find out which is "the best"

[20:06:46]

joobie:

there's a heap on there..

[20:06:51]

xris:

of course, trying to encode the raw stream in DVI wouldn't do much better

[20:06:55]

joobie:

can anyone make some recommendation?

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][eBerg:

xris, xvid supports pretty decent HD

[20:07:20]

Toxicity999:

Pssh...

[20:07:39]

Toxicity999:

It can have a video 1080 lines tall, that's for sure.

[20:07:45]

Toxicity999:

=P

[20:08:01]

xris:

][eBerg: it's more about going digital -> analog -> digital

[20:08:23]

xris:

or even compressed -> uncompressed -> compressed... you lose quality

[20:08:40]

][eBerg:

oh I know but I dont expect were going to see any HDMI capture units any time soon

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joobie:

depends what type of compression

[20:08:49]

joobie:

you don't necessarily lose quality through compression

[20:09:11]

Toxicity999:

you do by literal interpretation, but it can be unoticable.

[20:09:12]

xris:

][eBerg: there's at least one out there (only windows drivers)... but you still lose quality.. HDMI isn't a compressed signal.

[20:09:14]

xris:

joobie: mpeg2 does

[20:09:22]

joobie:

nod

[20:09:26]

joobie:

depends on the compression

[20:09:40]

joobie:

but digital -> analog -> digital, definitely there's quality loss

[20:09:47]

][eBerg:

the HDMI unit from black magic only works with HDMI video cameras and the likes, no receivers or anything

[20:10:28]

][eBerg:

joob, all compression loses qulity even lossless formats, lossless just lose way less than lossy codecs

[20:10:54]

][eBerg:

joobie, with D>A>D it depends on the bandwith of the analog signal

[20:11:16]

joobie:

how is that so ][eBerg .. what about digital signal with mathamatical algorhythm?

[20:11:24]

][eBerg:

if you push a 1080P signal over 50Mhz component your going to lose quality

[20:11:26]

xris:

][eBerg: um... lossless usually means that the name says.

[20:11:28]

joobie:

it just requires processing power afaik

[20:11:41]

][eBerg:

even the new 100Mhz component stuff loses some quality

[20:11:42]

xris:

it's not "loseless"

[20:11:58]

xris:

][eBerg: that's because it's analog.. and why digital is better for a digital source

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joobie:

nod

[20:12:36]

joobie:

anyway, are any of you guys decent with the USB tuners?

[20:12:36]

][eBerg:

xris, I understant that I was just explaining to joobie why analog loses quality

[20:12:50]

joobie:

][eBerg, i know why analog loses quality

[20:13:11]

][eBerg:

oh I missread what you typed

[20:13:24]

joobie:

nm

[20:13:28]

][eBerg:

Ive been up way too long

[20:13:28]

joobie:

what time is it there?

[20:13:31]

][eBerg:

:)

[20:13:34]

joobie:

heeh.. i just got up! :)

[20:13:41]

joobie:

7:10AM

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][eBerg:

3pm Ive been up since 6pm on the 24th and it's the 26th now

[20:14:05]

joobie:

wow

[20:14:14]

joobie:

why?::P

[20:14:29]

][eBerg:

I have some render jobs running Im babysitting

[20:14:36]

joobie:

ahh

[20:14:39]

][eBerg:

thats how I pay to keep the onyx running

[20:14:44]

joobie:

i was thinking maybe.. you are.. Santa Clause?

[20:14:45]

][eBerg:

I lease out render time on it

[20:15:48]

joobie:

what is onyx?

[20:16:10]

][eBerg:

it's an SGI machine designed for number crunching and rendering

[20:16:24]

joobie:

ahh

[20:16:29]

joobie:

IRIX?

[20:16:45]

][eBerg:

yea 6.5.25 (not the latest I know)

[20:16:51]

joobie:

nice

[20:17:09]

][eBerg:

and maya6

[20:17:14]

joobie:

i used to play with IRIX years ago.. like 8 years ago

[20:17:24]

joobie:

how much did that set you back?

[20:17:39]

][eBerg:

maya was about 2500 when I bought it

[20:17:55]

][eBerg:

the onyx I built over time so I dont know exactly, lot of ebay parts

[20:18:01]

joobie:

ahh

[20:18:03]

][eBerg:

Id guess about 4k

[20:18:21]

joobie:

cool

[20:18:42]

][eBerg:

it's a deskside not a rack

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mindframe-:

][eBerg, my buddy has an 8TB SGI SAN that he got at some corporate auction

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mindframe-:

23TB though

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mindframe-:

wow

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joobie:

guys can i adjust the focus back on my USB dongle question?:P Trying to find "the best" dual tuner usb dongle for DVB-T

[20:20:21]

joobie:

flicked through the last two months on the mailling list and couldnt find anything

[20:22:38]

justinh:

joobie: the wiki at linuxtv.org will be very illuminating

[20:22:50]

justinh:

as for what would be 'best'.. it's all a matter of opinion

[20:23:03]

Toxicity999:

I've had an annoying long running issue with myth I can't figure out... Occasionally the video will just randomly speed up and the audio will drop out.

[20:23:04]

joobie:

doh

[20:23:12]

joobie:

I wish the wiki had a rating system or something

[20:23:28]

joobie:

it's hard to decide which one – and the cost is a few hundred if i get it wrong :/

[20:23:58]

justinh:

they'll all be much of a muchness

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Toxicity999:

It's been driving me crazy >< pressing back remedies it temporarily by jumping to where the issue starts, but it happens again later.

[20:24:10]

Toxicity999:

totally random

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Toxicity999:

ad I can't trace it to anything

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][eBerg:

mindframe, it's just under 23TB it's 30 750G FC scsi drives

[20:24:29]

Toxicity999:

other than getting "AO: dropping back audio_buffer_unused" in frontend output

[20:24:50]

Toxicity999:

Anyone have any remote clue?

[20:25:29]

joobie:

justinh, is that the same for AU users?

[20:25:39]

joobie:

justinh, im guessing most of these cards would have been tested abroad

[20:26:09]

Toxicity999:

So no? Lol. I'm using trunk also. But it's been hapenning for awhile now...

[20:26:31]

joobie:

BTW – the Ahanix cases links are broken on the wiki

[20:26:47]

justinh:

so fix em

[20:27:03]

Toxicity999:

Modifying a wiki? Are you MAD?!

[20:27:26]

joobie:

ive only read into myth once or twice

[20:27:32]

joobie:

you don't want me editing your wiki just yet ;P

[20:27:57]

Toxicity999:

well if links are broken, that's something you need no knowledge of the material to fix.

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Toxicity999:

See? You upset him.

[20:28:11]

Iolaus:

Can anyone tell me where the new playback profile stuff (aparently added by mythtv-vid) is supposed to reside?

[20:28:11]

Toxicity999:

For shame.

[20:28:31]

joobie:

Toxicity999, i can point the links to http://www.goatse.cx

[20:28:36]

joobie:

i dont know the hardware it's meant to link to

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Toxicity999:

I'm just playing.

[20:30:25]

Toxicity999:

I'm proud of my little case hack...

[20:30:32]

joobie:

got a pic?

[20:30:58]

Toxicity999:

An early one, it's a little different now.

[20:31:06]

Toxicity999:

http://xs322.xs.to/xs322/07523/im000813.jpg

[20:31:14]

Toxicity999:

It now has screen over all but the DVD drive

[20:31:21]

Toxicity999:

and a little button on the side for the power.

[20:31:34]

Toxicity999:

that's my bedroom myth-puter.

[20:33:10]

bradd:

Iolaus: i believe its also part of svn...its under utilities/setting->setup->tv settings->playback

[20:33:23]

bradd:

its the 3rd screen under playback

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joobie:

cool

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joobie:

it looks hardcore

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joobie:

with no case

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Toxicity999:

yo ucan't really see any of the components now, that was just my glory shot for jamming it in there.

[20:34:31]

Toxicity999:

It's all veiled now... It'd like the real mech stuff used on some speakers or something, but I cut up a window Screen =P

[20:34:34]

Toxicity999:

*mesh

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joobie:

hmm can someone give me a hand pointing to the link that shows all the HD cards in one page? I had one before that listed them all, including USB

[20:34:55]

joobie:

DBV-T cards it was broken down into

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joobie:

lol

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joobie:

nice Toxicity999

[20:39:28]

joobie:

nm i found it

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joobie:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB_Devices for those of you'll interested

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joobie:

TerraTec Cinergy DT USB XS Diversity

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joobie:

anyone know if that card is OK?

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joobie:

i think i might buy that

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iamlindoro_:

Well, it's supported, but that linuxtv article itself says that the tuner is not very sensitive... hope you get very strong signal

[20:56:45]

iamlindoro_:

unless you intend to use external antenna/amplifier, per the article... which you may well

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joobie:

yea i have an external antenna

[20:57:30]

iamlindoro_:

So what made you choose that one?

[20:57:37]

joobie:

it's USB and it's a dual tuner

[20:57:39]

joobie:

that's it

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joobie:

is there a better one?:P

[20:58:05]

iamlindoro_:

I'd look at the dvico... know that lots of people are using it

[20:58:35]

iamlindoro_:

but, like everyone (including me for the past several days) has told you, so long as it's supported and you get signal, in the end they're essentially all the same.. just varying degrees of difficulty in setting up

[20:58:52]

mkrufky:

dvico dual digital is usb, true..... but it's two usb devices mounted on a PCI board, with USB controller on-board

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joobie:

ahh

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joobie:

i saw taht card

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, really? Yuck!

[20:59:16]

joobie:

i dont have a PCI slot

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mkrufky:

...and that's finally supported now in mainline... qeued up for 2.6.25

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro_: there are very few _supported_ dual tuner devices out there

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, I just work here ;)

[21:00:31]

mkrufky:

me too :-)

[21:00:35]

joobie:

the DVB-T ones im tossing up between are: Pinnacle PCTV Dual DVB-T Diversity (PCTV 2000e USB), TerraTec Cinergy DT USB XS Diversity, Hauppauge WinTV-NOVA-TD-Stick, Empire USB 2.0 Pen Dual TV

[21:00:46]

joobie:

of those is any more mainstream used than the other?

[21:00:56]

mkrufky:

they are all the same

[21:01:05]

mkrufky:

and not even because of what iamlindoro said ---

[21:01:12]

joobie:

same chipset?

[21:01:13]

iamlindoro_:

like, literally the same ;)

[21:01:19]

joobie:

ahh k

[21:01:20]

mkrufky:

it so happend that those mentioned above, all use the same basic hardware

[21:01:30]

joobie:

well the Cincergy looks better:P

[21:01:33]

mkrufky:

get the hauppauge one

[21:01:40]

mkrufky:

(slanted recommendation) :-)

[21:02:02]

joobie:

hehe

[21:02:07]

joobie:

ho wcome mkrufky ?

[21:02:13]

mkrufky:

cuz i work there :-D

[21:02:16]

joobie:

lol

[21:02:26]

joobie:

can you get me a discount?:P

[21:02:48]

mkrufky:

i didnt write the linux driver for that one tho,..... the linux driver came direct from a dibcom developer, afaik

[21:02:51]

iamlindoro_:

That said, it doesn't hurt that mkrufky writes lots and lots of our tv card drivers... so his slanted recommendation probably carries more weight than most

[21:02:56]

mkrufky:

no,. no discount

[21:03:19]

mkrufky:

and for the record, i never worked for dvico

[21:03:25]

joobie:

ahh

[21:03:28]

mkrufky:

but i wrote a ton of linux drivers for dvico cards

[21:03:49]

mkrufky:

(and thats why i recommend them sometimes, too)

[21:03:55]

joobie:

mkrufky, is it hard writing your own drivers? got any simple howto's ?

[21:03:56]

rushfan:

Anyone here use lirc with mythtv?

[21:04:15]

mkrufky:

depends, joobie ... what do you do for a living? is it hard?

[21:04:24]

iamlindoro_:

rushfan, Hahah, same question as last night... and still worth a slight tease... yes, only almost all of us :)

[21:04:29]

joobie:

i'm a linux sysadmin

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joobie:

but ive never looked into driver writing

[21:04:39]

mkrufky:

does anybody NOT use lirc w/ mythtv?

[21:04:47]

rushfan:

iamlindoro_: my bloody remote doesnt work :(

[21:04:53]

rushfan:

Lirc detects it, irw shows the button

[21:04:55]

iamlindoro_:

to be fair, the remote is probably fine :)

[21:05:01]

joobie:

i remember seeing an o'reilly book on driver writing

[21:05:02]

rushfan:

I have an lircrc file, but mythtv wont detec tthe remote

[21:05:04]

rushfan:

what gives?

[21:05:13]

iamlindoro_:

rushfan, Must be bad hardware... send it all to me

[21:05:17]

iamlindoro_:

ok ok

[21:05:18]

rushfan:

iamlindoro_: clearly :P

[21:05:18]

iamlindoro_:

I'll stop

[21:05:20]

mkrufky:

joobie: i got started when i bought my first HDTV capture card and it wasnt supported.... i learned how to do it the hard way

[21:05:23]

rushfan:

I compiled mythtv with lirc support

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iamlindoro_:

first off, check the lircrc permissions

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iamlindoro_:

ls -al ~/.mythtv/lirc*

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rushfan:

iamlindoro_: its meant to be in /home/user/.mythtv/lircrc, right?

[21:05:56]

iamlindoro_:

yes, file not directory

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rushfan:

-rw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 27734 2007-12–26 00:25 /home/greg/.mythtv/lircrc

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iamlindoro_:

and I presume greg is running mythfrontend?

[21:06:29]

rushfan:

yes

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joobie:

mkrufky, got any decent resources?

[21:06:37]

joobie:

for noobs

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iamlindoro_:

ok, what type or remote, and pastebin your lircrc

[21:06:44]

rushfan:

mceusb2

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mkrufky:

joobie: http://linuxtv.org/wiki

[21:07:28]

mkrufky:

joobie: or mythtv has one, too

[21:07:33]

rushfan:

http://monoport.com/6149

[21:07:37]

mkrufky:

joobie: i write drivers, not documentation :-D

[21:08:06]

joobie:

hehe

[21:08:18]

joobie:

thanks mkrufky

[21:08:23]

mkrufky:

np

[21:08:44]

joobie:

BTW.. with these dual tuner cards. i have one antenna wire coming into my homem from the roof antenna. Can i just split that and plug into each input on the card and then tune both channels from the one wire?

[21:08:47]

rushfan:

iamlindoro_: do I need to tell mythfrontend anything ir does it autodetect lircrc?

[21:08:48]

iamlindoro_:

rushfan, also start mythfrontend from a terminal, quit, and paste the output so I can see if there is any lirc info there

[21:09:00]

iamlindoro_:

rushfan, it autodetects, presuming it is in the right place

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iamlindoro_:

also pastebin your lircd.conf

[21:10:06]

rushfan:

http://monoport.com/6150

[21:10:25]

iamlindoro_:

ah, there we are

[21:10:32]

rushfan:

http://monoport.com/6151 --> lircd.conf

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rushfan:

yeah it says lirc_init failed. but I dont think it says wayu

[21:10:46]

rushfan:

why*

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iamlindoro_:

sure it does, read the two preceding lines

[21:11:03]

rushfan:

ahh

[21:11:04]

Hilikus:

hey guys, i noticed using mytharchive that the size of the disc it reports ends up not being the real size, i guess because when i archive them i use cut lists and the size it reports is including commercials. how can i get the actual size after removing commercials? i dont like lowering the quality to fit more, to then find out that theres empty space on the disc

[21:11:11]

rushfan:

so how do I solve that? change permissions on /dev/lirc0?

[21:11:24]

rushfan:

crw-rw---- 1 root root 61, 0 2007-12–25 23:11 /dev/lirc0

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iamlindoro_:

sort of

[21:11:38]

iamlindoro_:

I believe the permissions are set in the /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

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rushfan:

that file is empty :|

[21:12:25]

iamlindoro_:

*really*? Sure you didn't just mistype? Is there *anything* in /etc/lirc? what distro?

[21:12:35]

mkrufky:

Hilikus: transcode the files, set quality to "auto" — is should transcode ONLY the parts of the file that need merging (after the commercial was removed)

[21:12:47]

rushfan:

/etc/lirc doesnt exist

[21:12:49]

rushfan:

Im using gentoo

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mkrufky:

Hilikus: in the end, you get a copy of the original stream without any loss and without commercials

[21:12:58]

iamlindoro_:

IDK anything about Gentoo

[21:13:19]

iamlindoro_:

but you can probably do a locate hardware.conf

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mkrufky:

afk for a bit

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Hilikus:

mkrufky so theres no transcoding at all

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Hilikus:

just cutting out the commercials

[21:14:12]

mkrufky-away:

yes, exactly, Hilikus

[21:14:15]

mkrufky-away:

bbiab

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rushfan:

iamlindoro_: it just doesnt exist :|

[21:14:22]

rushfan:

sometimes gentoo is weird

[21:14:27]

iamlindoro_:

rushfan, as root, try this

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iamlindoro_:

chmod 666 /dev/lircd

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iamlindoro_:

(then try myth)

[21:14:57]

iamlindoro_:

and if not that, we'll chown it

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rushfan:

ok

[21:15:15]

iamlindoro_:

oh, and after chmod, be sure to go back to greg to try frontend

[21:15:38]

rushfan:

iamlindoro_: output indicates it works

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rushfan:

lets see

[21:15:47]

joobie:

guys if i get a dual tuner card that requires two antenna inputs.. can i split the roof antenna i have and plug in both inputs from the same roof antenna..will that still allow me to tune and watch two channels at once without a problem?

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rushfan:

yay!

[21:15:59]

iamlindoro_:

heh

[21:16:02]

iamlindoro_:

presume that's good

[21:16:06]

joobie:

bit of a noob question – but want to be sure before i fork out for this device

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fryfrog:

joobie: yar, you could hook 3 or 4 up if you wanted.

[21:16:16]

joobie:

thanks fryfrog

[21:17:17]

fryfrog:

sat is the only one that has issues like that

[21:17:23]

fryfrog:

need special uh... splitters

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rushfan:

iamlindoro_: I even succesfully mapped # to . so I can switch from HD and NTSC

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fryfrog:

but they aren't called splitters :)

[21:17:34]

iamlindoro_:

cool

[21:17:47]

iamlindoro_:

DiSeqC Switches

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rushfan:

iamlindoro_: one thing doesnt work :|

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rushfan:

I mapped the record tv button to switch aspect ratios :

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rushfan:

let me have a look

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joobie:

hmm .. anyone mind checking out this link – http://www.dpanda.com.au/p/376903/Terratec-Ci . . . l-Tuner.html .. it is where im going to buy the tuner from. It says "Terratec Cinergy T USB XS Dual Tuner" where as the linuxtv wiki page says "TerraTec Cinergy DT USB XS Diversity" .. it's missing the "DT" bit ...... not sure if that's still the same ?

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iamlindoro_:

rushfan, It's all minutiae from here, though, I imagine you can figure out your key mappings

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iamlindoro_:

and if not, pull up mythweb and go to the key mapping section of settings, and you will see a perfect 1-to-1 mapping of commands to keyboard keys

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iamlindoro_:

So you know exactly what to put for everything in lircrc

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rushfan:

w is change aspect ratio?

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iamlindoro_:

I don't have keys.txt memorized, dude :)

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rushfan:

iamlindoro_: ahh, I still dot haver mythtweb entirely working :(

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jams:

yes thats what the w key is

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iamlindoro_:

rushfan, all the more reason to get it set up... besides, now that you have remote, you need a new project ;)

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rushfan:

now I broke it again. :(

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rushfan:

wtf

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rushfan:

iamlindoro_: I Really do

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joobie:

wow – how is http://tven.terratec.net/modules.php?op=modlo . . . &sid=270 that for an antenna

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joobie:

it's a picture frame also:P

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iamlindoro_:

Heh... probably works about as well as any multifunction device

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iamlindoro_:

jack of all trades, master of none

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rushfan:

yeah

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rushfan:

No, this thing is only one device :(

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iamlindoro_:

rushfan, was talking to joobie

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rushfan:

I could program it to power my stereo on/off and control the volume, but I lost the stereo remote

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rushfan:

so I cant program it. I just have to buy a remote heh

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rushfan:

iamlindoro_: oh heh

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iamlindoro_:

rushfan, or just find the remote codes for your receiver at lirc.org/remotes

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iamlindoro_:

or often a similar model's codes will work

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joobie:

true iamlindoro

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joobie:

but a good idea :P

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iamlindoro_:

joobie, It's all just going to depend on how strong a signal you get... if you're close to the transponders, you might not need very much at all

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iamlindoro_:

I myself am not so fortunate... live in the shadow of a big mountain between me and the towers... so if you're in my type of situation, you need to get... serious. :)

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rushfan:

Now I need to set my tuners in order of priority

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joobie:

hehe yea

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joobie:

have you found an antenna that work iamlindoro?

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joobie:

for you

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joobie:

im in a similar situation – right in the bay area so the signal bounces right over me

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rushfan:

joobie: you dont get QAM?

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iamlindoro_:

In my case (prior to going to QAM) I had to use a 10 foot directional antenna from TERK... it did the job great, but was several hundred dollars

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iamlindoro_:

rushfan, He's DVB-T in Australia

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rushfan:

DVB-T?

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iamlindoro_:

rushfan, different standards than ours... DVB-S/T/C

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iamlindoro_:

Sat/Terrestrial/Cable

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iamlindoro_:

joobie, It may just be a matter of starting witht the card and seeing how your signal is, and moving up from there... I don't want to advise a purchase that might not even be necessary

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joobie:

rushfan, QAM?

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iamlindoro_:

joobie, Qaudrature amplitude Modulation

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iamlindoro_:

or something close to that :)

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joobie:

wow

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joobie:

way over my head:P

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joobie:

we have an external antenna on our apartment block

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iamlindoro_:

DVB-C actually uses it to, it's just the modulation of the signal via cable

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joobie:

but the point comes into the apartment at the other end of my apartment

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iamlindoro_:

joobie, If you can tap into that, odds are it will do the job fine

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iamlindoro_:

ahh

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joobie:

we also have cement walls

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joobie:

so it's a pain in the but to run the cable to the other end of the place to my room

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joobie:

i bought one of these gain booster antennas from dick smith about a month ago

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joobie:

didnt help much

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iamlindoro_:

May not have a lot of options but to tuck it under the carpet or something... or split your backend/frontend and run the backend at the point the antenna comes in

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iamlindoro_:

as with an apartment and no attic or ability to make modifications, your options are severely limited

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joobie:

what do you mean by split your backend / frontent?

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joobie:

-t+d

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joobie:

i was thinking about running under the carpet

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joobie:

not much other choices :/

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iamlindoro_:

Myth is designed to allow the backend (which does all the recording/storage) and the frontend (which displays the media) to run on seperate machines via network

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joobie:

ahh

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iamlindoro_:

so, a low-power backend with no monitor and tuner cards at the antenna drop, with a netowrk connection...

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iamlindoro_:

and a higher-power frontend with a nice video card and a network connection at your TV.

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joobie:

I see

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joobie:

http://www.dpanda.com.au/p/376903/Terratec-Ci . . . l-Tuner.html

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joobie:

i just bought one of these

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joobie:

it's about..

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joobie:

350$USD

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joobie:

not cheap

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iamlindoro_:

Yikes, steep

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joobie:

ya

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mkrufky:

oof thats rediculous

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mkrufky:

why spend that much when other vendors make the same product for less than half the price?

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joobie:

$331USD

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mkrufky:

also, why spend USD on a dvb-t product?

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joobie:

well that is when you do the conversion

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joobie:

that is from a local retailer in AU

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mkrufky:

wow... if i spend that much on a dvb capture card, it better come with a computer and a hard drive included

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joobie:

lol

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joobie:

i didnt know where ot get one cheaper

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joobie:

all local suppliers cost that much

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mkrufky:

ah, i didnt know

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joobie:

else i have to order ovverseas and hav eit shipped in – so will have to pay shipping

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mkrufky:

i say a megasky 580 selling in AU for like, 80 USD

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mkrufky:

but thats not a dual tuner

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mkrufky:

s/say/saw

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joobie:

doh :/

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iamlindoro_:

2 x that +Powered Hub :)

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joobie:

know any decent retailers?

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mkrufky:

trooo

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joobie:

i maybe can cancel the order

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mkrufky:

i live in new york, and i dont remember the link the guy sent

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joobie:

dang now i feel jibbed

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joobie:

ahh k

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joobie:

ahh well

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joobie:

live and learn

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cafuego:

xris: The gencutlist option in nuvexport was exactly what my problem was. All good now, thankyou.

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xris:

:)

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matt123:

hey, im havin trouble running irw

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cafuego:

Next step is to make ffmpeg not suck <heh>

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squish102:

xris can crop_right have a number > 5?

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squish102:

crop_right must be a number between 0 and 5. < says that if i use a profile and i'm trying to crop the bars on the left and right by 12.5%

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xris:

squish102: you must have an old nuvexportrc. check the one that came wth the package

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xris:

you need the one that talks about out_aspect

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squish102:

i set the out_aspect = 4:3? is that right?

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squish102:

or is out_aspect only 16:9?

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

out_aspect forces the aspect ratio of the output file.

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xris:

only works with file formats that support aspects, though (avi doesn't)

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squish102:

so i have: export_prog = ffmpeg,mode = mp4,out_aspect = 4:3,crop_right = 12.5,crop_left = 12.5,crop_pct = 0,width = 720,height = 480

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xris:

that should be fine

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squish102:

<profile::cropbars> and i call it with nuvexport --profile cropbars

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xris:

yup

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xris:

I just have profiles set up for each show I export.. but the --profile thing is really just like grouping a bunch of commandline options together so you don't have to type them all... so you can override them if you want by passing the specific option on the cli, too

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rushfan:

god damn gb-pvr

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rushfan:

why cant myth work on windows :(

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Hilikus:

im trying to transcode to the same quality just to remove commercials and its complaing about error 247 so im changing the transcoding settings and supposedly i need to change the codec from rtjpeg to mpeg-4, has anyone done this+?

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xris:

Hilikus: there should be some setting for "lossless" for the default transcode profile

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squish102:

xris, thanks, i'll dig in the code to see if i can find the reason for the error

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Hilikus:

xris i thought i had to change "autodetect from mpeg2" profile

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xris:

Hilikus: what format are your original recordings in?

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Hilikus:

i think its mpeg2, im using hardware encoding frow a pvr-150

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squish102:

xris, i think in generic.pm the line: if ($self->val('crop_right') < 0 || $self->val('crop_right') > 5) should be changed to 20?

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Hilikus:

i dont want to change the quality in the transcoding, just remove commercials. my problem was that the estimate of space tha mytharchive gives you doesnt account for commercials removed in the cutlist, so my discs end up with lower quality and empty space on the dvd

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xris:

squish102: why yes, that would definitely be a bug

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xris:

hang on a sec and I'll push out a new version

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squish102:

and the left has the same bug ;)

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

ok, new version on forevermore.net

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squish102:

wow, what service :)

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xris:

I'm not feeling particularly work-productive today.. have to do something...

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jarle:

!seen justinh

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MythLogBot:

justinh was last seen 2 hours 17 minutes 13 seconds ago

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jarle:

anybody know if this (http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/blootube-wide.shtml) is the latest bluetoobe-wide? It seems to have some problems with trunk...

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cafuego:

xris: Would you hate me if I filed a bugreport against nuvexport? ;-)

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xris:

probably not...

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xris:

less so depending on what the bug report is for

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iamlindoro_:

jarle, I am pretty sure he always keeps the latest there... he has recently made comments to the effect of the themes being more and mroe out of sync with trunk

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cafuego:

Export progress.

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xris:

what about it?

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cafuego:

xris: When I transcode, the status remains 'Starting' until transcoding is complete, at which point it changes to 'Failed with error 0'.

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cafuego:

though quite possibly that's a myth problem, not a nuvexport one.

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xris:

status where, though?

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xris:

nuvexport should show frame updates, etc

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cafuego:

In the Info Center > Jobs listing in myth

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cafuego:

xris: On the cmdline it does, yup.

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xris:

nuvexport doesn't report status to user jobs

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cafuego:

Well, that's easy then <heh>

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cafuego:

And exit code 0 being an error is a myth problem I'd say.

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jarle:

using blootube-wide in trunk I do not get any program title in the program boxes in the EPG. The problem is only when entering EPG from live TV, if entering EPG from scheduling a recording it all works fine. (Changing to a different theme it works both places)

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iamlindoro_:

jarle, hmm... haven't noticed that exact one but I have noticed on my machine w/ trunk that if you edit video metadata in blootube-wide, the text entry boxes are no longer present

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iamlindoro_:

And having heard justin make comments above, I presumed it was incompatibilities between trunk and theme

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Hilikus:

so when i transcode what happens to the original video? it gets deleted or i end up with 2 copies of the same, except one of them doesnt have commercials?

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Anduin:

Hilikus: deleted by default

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DustyBin:

if your tv is big, say 42", would the TV upscale the mythtv signal?

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iamlindoro_:

size of panel doesn't have any bearing on its resolution

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro_: oh. I thought mythtv output only was <------this----> big

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DustyBin:

i went around my aunts and shes got a big 42" what is displaying low resolution UK freeview, but you cannot see any pixels at all

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DustyBin:

i was quite suprised, so i was wondering if i fed a computer signal into it it would do the same thing

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AndyCap:

DustyBin: I'd schedule an eye exam. :)

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DustyBin:

?

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DustyBin:

seriously, i looked up close to it

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iamlindoro_:

roughly speaking, a television will always operate at its native resolution, regardless of input signal

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iamlindoro_:

for best results, myth should be outputting at the native res of the panel

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iamlindoro_:

or, rather, your graphics driver should be

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my2keh:

hey!

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DustyBin:

yep, is there anything i should try and avoid when buying a widescreen tv? or things to look out for what would make mythtv look nice on it?

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my2keh:

anyone running latest trunk?

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my2keh:

or the newest GANT theme?

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iamlindoro_:

your 42" 1080p set and my 106" 1080p projection have the exact same res... just different sized pixels

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xris:

DustyBin: overscan, supported resolutions... unfortunately no real way to know about overscan without trying the tv.

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DustyBin:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

my2keh, lots of us running trunk, probably precious few using GANT though

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xris:

iamlindoro_: assuming that both actually output 1080p, which only about 1/4 of TVs actually do

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iamlindoro_:

xris, agreed :)

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my2keh:

iamlindoro>> why would only a few be running it?

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DustyBin:

do any of you guys run mythtv on a biggish screen?2D

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my2keh:

my buddy upgraded, says he likes that theme, but I can't find a screen shot anywhere

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iamlindoro_:

my2keh, Well, speaking subjectively, it sucks compared to other options

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xris:

my2keh: because most people don't like GANT at all

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my2keh:

ohh heh

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iamlindoro_:

DustyBin, Yes, 106"

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DustyBin:

jeezus hell

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my2keh:

I thought there was a technical limitation heh

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xris:

DustyBin: a bunch of people have projectors like that. personally, I just have a 27" crt

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iamlindoro_:

my2keh, He *likes* it? Was he hit in the head with a claw hammer?

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xris:

my wife got diamonds for christmas instead of me getting a tv.. (but I got a new car, so it balances out)

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iamlindoro_:

heh

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DustyBin:

xris: is there any reason your using crt

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my2keh:

iamlindoro>> hence the reason I want a screen shot. He said it was upgraded

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DustyBin:

ok

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xris:

DustyBin: I'm cheap.. and don't watch much tv. spend too much time developing for mythtv to actually watch any.

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DustyBin:

im just worried about laying out cash for a tv and find out that mythtv doesnt work with it

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iamlindoro_:

Erm, well I pulled GANt up the other day but aside from probably being minorly tweaked to allow for new UI code, I didn't see any visual difference

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my2keh:

hmm then he's officially on crack

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my2keh:

That's my wife's last beer

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iamlindoro_:

per svn, gant was last change a month ago

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my2keh:

"it doesn't look like ExpressVU does"

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my2keh:

duuuhhh

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iamlindoro_:

and most of the files, 3–5 years ago

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my2keh:

err last beef I meant lol

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xris:

DustyBin: if you REALLY want to make sure, just get something with a vga port

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DustyBin:

ok? any reason with that?

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xris:

because then it's just a monitor

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psofa:

when i keep pressing down a button in my ir remote i get only one button event is this the case with all lirc remotes?

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xris:

otherwise, something with DVI or HDMI (you can get a dvi->hdmi adapter) should work fine, too

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DustyBin:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

Most/practically all TVs can be *made* to work with myth... with varying degrees of frustration

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

lots of twiddling with modelines i guess

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xris:

yeah

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iamlindoro_:

But yeah, xris is right on, DVI/HDMI is very nice and with my nvidia, all autodetected

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DustyBin:

iamlindoro_: you suffer no jitter? everything is smooth filling the screen properly?

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iamlindoro_:

Yup

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DustyBin:

jeeze nice

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=85

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iamlindoro_:

That's somewhat old and I'm running glass-wide now, but you get the idea

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DustyBin:

that looks nice

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DustyBin:

shame about the juski theme...

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DustyBin:

*only joking* :P

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my2keh:

lemme check it

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iamlindoro_:

Well we can't ALL run GANT

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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my2keh:

I use DVI to HDMI

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my2keh:

LOL

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DustyBin:

i might bring my mythtv box with me to the store

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DustyBin:

and plug it in to the tvs

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my2keh:

lol

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my2keh:

let me know how that goes

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iamlindoro_:

Hey, it can't hurt to try

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my2keh:

any TV will work I'm sure

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

its time to upgrade my 15" CRT what uses s-video

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DustyBin:

ive been very happy with the results on that

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DustyBin:

i think dvi should produce a better picture that vga ?

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iamlindoro_:

yep

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my2keh:

just watch out

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my2keh:

I found that regular SD content

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iamlindoro_:

Although it's harder and harder to get DVI, but HDMI is, for graphics purposes only, the same

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my2keh:

looks worse over HDMI then it did on component

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my2keh:

but it could be a mind game

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** rushfan wants a video card with HDMI **

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DustyBin:

a video card what uses HDMI should be pretty easy to find, however one what runs properly in linux is another story?

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iamlindoro_:

Naw, it really *is* just DVI+Audio... any of the HDMI nVidia card will work just fine

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iamlindoro_:

But no need to spend all the extra money, just do DVI-HDMI cable and optical out to your receiver

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iamlindoro_:

I prefer DVI just to have nice, screw-down connectors

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my2keh:

that's what I do, DVI/HDMI and optical

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DustyBin:

i might treat myself to a 1080p

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my2keh:

is there a lot of content for 1080p?

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iamlindoro_:

If you are even *marginally* into sports, 1080 anything is amazing

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iamlindoro_:

my2keh, all Blu-Ray, HD-DVD... broadcast is 1080i but still superb

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iamlindoro_:

er, rather, broadcast is *up* to 1080i

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my2keh:

yeah, I was gonna go 1080p, but i'll end up buying another TV before there's a lot of content on 1080p

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DustyBin:

is it possible to stick a blue-ray player in a linux box and watch blue-ray films?

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xris:

DustyBin: not legally

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DustyBin:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

Only in a very very roundabout way

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DustyBin:

what about hd dvd ?

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iamlindoro_:

xris, well, guess it depends on where you live... but not legally for me either ;)

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xris:

no clue if there's an illegal software workaround (and wouldn't talk about it here if I did)

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iamlindoro_:

DustyBin, same

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DustyBin:

jeeze :(

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DustyBin:

bring forth open-source hd

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iamlindoro_:

DustyBin, It basically occupies the same palce as DVDdeCSS

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

well, people can play dvds on linux boxes, so whats wrong with hd dvds?

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DustyBin:

different licensing?

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iamlindoro_:

DustyBin, Well, the point is even that is, in the US, a legal gray area

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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iamlindoro_:

just google. Rhymes with "Ubuntu community blu-ray."

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DustyBin:

hehe

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iamlindoro_:

And, theoretically, You'd need to patch mplayer for e-ac3 and mlp/truehd

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iamlindoro_:

Theoretically.

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xris:

DustyBin: can't legally play dvd in linux, either.. unless you buy software that lets you (decss is not legal in the US)

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DustyBin:

ok

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AndyCap:

heh, and not that much software available for purchase either. maybe one from fluendo.

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xris:

I think that nero or one of those companies offers a linux player

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xris:

they did it for linspire/lindows

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AndyCap:

lindvd got much PR, but they only wanted to sell to emebedded systems manufacturers

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AndyCap:

http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/Product_Profile.jsp?p=LinDVD whoohoo

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xris:

that's the one I was thinking.. just couldn't remember intervideo

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AndyCap:

I'd say that seems to be about as dead as the dodo

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xris:

well, or included with linspire

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AndyCap:

so for any kind of drm you're pretty much out of luck with linux, unless you can get a legal hardware implementation of it. like CAM's for DVB

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AndyCap:

or some closed source player like lindvd

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xris:

yup

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my2keh:

iamlindoro>> he send me some screenshots

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my2keh:

he is on crack

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iamlindoro_:

Heh

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iamlindoro_:

"Yeah, they renamed GANT to glass-wide!"

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my2keh:

it's got room for improvement

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my2keh:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

Between http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/index.shtml and gbee's theme, there's plenty of sexy out there

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my2keh:

is there no expressvu theme? heh

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my2keh:

gbee's theme?

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anykey_:

my2keh: miffteevee.co.uk

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iamlindoro_:

gbee has a beta theme he's working on that's very nice looking

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my2keh:

lemme check that out

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my2keh:

hmmm

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my2keh:

not what I'm lookin' for, but nice though

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** CaptObviousman has a dilemma **

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my2keh:

i bet you are waiting for someone to ask you what your delimma is eh?

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iamlindoro_:

oh now you've done it

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CaptObviousman:

well, no I was looking around online first

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fryfrog:

isn't irc online?

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iamlindoro_:

Ahhh, so the channel is just a timestamped log of your thoughts. :)

[23:58:12]

my2keh:

hmm they have the internet on computers now?

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CaptObviousman:

I have an intel-brand mobo with lots of SATA connectors (6) mounted in a HTPC-like case already

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cafuego:

You have an which presents you (the antagonist) with two or more alternatives, but is equally conclusive against you, whichever alternative you choose?

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** iamlindoro_ contemplates his navel **

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** iamlindoro_ becomes hungry **

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CaptObviousman:

wondering if I should move the file server over to that, or wait and rebuild it later

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cafuego:

yes

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CaptObviousman:

the case and mobo it has now won't do

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my2keh:

correct

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iamlindoro_:

No

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iamlindoro_:

maybe

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iamlindoro_:

There. Now we have the whole gamut covered.

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fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: i did the opposite of what you are contemplating

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fryfrog:

i gave over my server guts to become my frontend :)

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cafuego:

Our consulting fee is $198 per hour or part thereof. Where do we send the invoice?

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CaptObviousman:

well, really, that's the busines

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