Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, December 19th, 2007, 00:04 UTC

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CIDR:

Ekks mythtv doesn't like 1080p blue ray images

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justinh:

I bet the MPAA doesn't like people violating the DMCA either

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CIDR:

Right.

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justinh:

there's some way to go before you'll be able to play that stuff on linux, never mind in mythtv

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justinh:

apparently a lot of players have trouble with the audio

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hexxington:

justinh, you can play the raw video files, with enough megahertz. stripping the DRM etc is still a royal pain the the behind

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CIDR:

it plays

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CIDR:

just doesn't sync

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CIDR:

the internal player is actually doing my pretty well

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CIDR:

I was surprised it did x264

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BULLE_:

CIDR: it uses ffmpeg

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CIDR:

BULLE_ right on

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hexxington:

has CIDR applied the threaded decoding patch?

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CIDR:

I don't think so?

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CIDR:

I just emerged it with alot of USE options

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CIDR:

do i want the threaded decoding patch?

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hexxington:

if you have a decent cpu, it's worth a shot

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CIDR:

Core 2 duo?

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CIDR:

1.86 ?

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CaptObviousman:

is that a patch for ffmpeg or for myth?

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CIDR:

ffmpeg I think.

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CIDR:

Might have to try

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CIDR:

it's not liking 1080- x264

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CIDR:

get some gree artifacts and stuff

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hexxington:

http://www.grunau.be/multithreaded-decoding_2.patch

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CIDR:

hexxington thanks

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CIDR:

I'll give it a try

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clever:

clever@d630:~$ xvinfo

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clever:

screen #0

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clever:

no adaptors present

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blizzow:

Is anyone here running the pchdtv 5500 card?

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hexxington:

your Xv is broken

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iamlindoro:

blizzow, yes

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clever:

hexxington: yep again(diff laptop same rootfs)

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blizzow:

iamlindoro: Do you have serious sound issues with the card?

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blizzow:

Also, how's your Standard Def reception/

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blizzow:

?

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iamlindoro:

Not in the least... but then, nobody should unless they're running it in analog mode

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blizzow:

I'm running the NTSC tuner, so I guess that's analog.

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clever:

tweaked my startup scripts to log the output of the fe be and Xorg

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iamlindoro:

Boo, you're running it as a very expensive framegrabber, then

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justinh:

bleugh

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insta:

anyone have recommendations as to the hardware i need to have a backend tune 6 NTSC and 2 ATSC channels at once?

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blizzow:

iamlindoro: what do you mean?

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justinh:

for standard analogue capture duties thou shalt use a hauppauge pvr150/pvr500

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hexxington:

tee hee, they should ban use of the term "hd" in the same context as framegrabbers

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clever:

justinh: enless thou are poor

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iamlindoro:

blizzow, for NTSC, the 5500 is abosultely the WRONG card

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justinh:

insta: 8 tuners, or 3 pvr500 cards & 2 HDTV tuners

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iamlindoro:

So either run it in Digital mode as is intended, or do as Justin says

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justinh:

5 pci slots needed!

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iamlindoro:

and get yourself a nice PVR-x50

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blizzow:

iamlindoro: why such a poor choice?

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justinh:

insta: in the absence of a motherboard with 5 pci slots, 2 backends

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hexxington:

blizzow, because when working in analog mode, it sends low-res bitmaps to your cpu to deal with

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hexxington:

blizzow, as opposed to capturing an existing digital stream

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iamlindoro:

Because it's encoding in software, you'll get shit NUVs, and your audio will be screwed

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insta:

justinh: i'm sure i can find an ATX motherboard with 5 PCI slots, do i need to worry about PCI bandwidth, memory constraints, or processor bottlenecks?

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iamlindoro:

sorta like you're experiencing :)

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CaptObviousman:

if you want to part ways with your 5500

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CaptObviousman:

I was looking into purchasing one

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justinh:

insta: you'll find it uses very little PCI bandwidth (though some say avoid Via chipsets) and next to no CPU

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CaptObviousman:

18 MBit/sec is little PCI bandwidth?

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CaptObviousman:

x2

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justinh:

well maybe not 'very little' PCI bandwidth but it should cope

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CaptObviousman:

damn you must have a monster motherboard

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justinh:

CaptObviousman: why not?

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iamlindoro:

18 Mbit is TINY bandwidth

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insta:

CaptObviousman: is that for ATSC after mpeg2 encoding?

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justinh:

insta: it comes in as mpeg2

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blizzow:

Are there any decent cards that do both HD and Analog?

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hexxington:

it's 200mb/sec for the whole pci bus isn't it?

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justinh:

blizzow: no

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CaptObviousman:

hexxington: that high? wow

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CaptObviousman:

it can't maintain that speed though

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iamlindoro:

Megabyte != Megabit

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justinh:

CaptObviousman: it'll be fine unless the chipset is gash

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CaptObviousman:

and with five cards all spewing data onto the bus I'd imagine a fair amount will get lost in routing

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hexxington:

132MB/s

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CaptObviousman:

well, if it's that high then yeah you're fine

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hexxington:

not 200. my bad

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iamlindoro:

18 Mbit (about what you'd expect for an HD stream = nothing on the PCI bus

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CaptObviousman:

just get a quality motherboard then

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justinh:

have you not seen the monster pvr setup shown off on the snapstream case study article?

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justinh:

8 SD tuners, coped great with plenty to spare

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CaptObviousman:

no I haven't. Got a link?

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CaptObviousman:

SD != HD

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iamlindoro:

Yes, and the SD bandwidth is LOWER

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iamlindoro:

so who gives a rip?

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justinh:

yeah but your HD is only what like 3 times the bandwidth of decent Q SDTV

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justinh:

maximum

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** CaptObviousman acknowledges that he was incorrect and puts this topic to rest **

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iamlindoro:

The point that I'm making is that 18 Mbit is a trickle on the PCI bus, and that's an HD stream

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iamlindoro:

fair enough

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CaptObviousman:

I guess I shouldn't worry about putting a raid card on PCI bus either

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iamlindoro:

anyway, blizzow, looks like the HVR-1800 is probably what you want, which combines the sexiness of a MPEG-2 encoder for standard def with a second, seperate digital tuner

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iamlindoro:

but the drivers are still being worked on

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hexxington:

iamlindoro, except the mpeg2 encoder isn't supported yet

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iamlindoro:

hexxington, see above

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iamlindoro:

ie "ut the drivers are still being worked on" ;)

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iamlindoro:

erbitu

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iamlindoro:

er but

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justinh:

(18mbits * 2 = 36Mbits/sec) + (6mbits * 6 = 36Mbits/sec) = 72Mbits/sec = 9MB/sec – if a motherboard can't handle that it should be put down

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CaptObviousman:

moving right along

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justinh:

maybe somebody should make a tuner card reckoner wizard type thing :P

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CIDR:

hmm

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CIDR:

Didn't want to build with that patch

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** iamlindoro grabs his Old 286 and his shotgun and, with a tear in his eye, walks out behind the ol' homestead. **

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justinh:

CIDR: that patch is for SVN trunk IIRC

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CIDR:

Taht's what I just patched

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CIDR:

nuppeldecoder.cpp: In member function 'bool NuppelDecoder::InitAVCodec(int)':

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CIDR:

nuppeldecoder.cpp:673: error: 'mpa_vidctx' was not declared in this scope

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iamlindoro:

Check out the revision it was written for, then

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CaptObviousman:

wow someone still has a 286

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CaptObviousman:

I think my dad has his 486 still

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iamlindoro:

I think black_nightmare is trying to build his myth box on one ;)

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iamlindoro:

which, I guess, is only funny if you've been listening to his questions for over a month with no hint of his actually ever building one

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bsdfox__:

haha

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matt:

hello again

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matt:

lol

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matt:

how do i modify my remote's configuration to use last channel?

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iamlindoro:

I seem to recall it being the key H

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iamlindoro:

But I'm not near a myth box

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** CaptObviousman doesn't even have myth installed yet **

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iamlindoro:

If I'm right, edit ~/.mythtv/lircrc and bind H to a key

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matt:

i would put 0000000000001792?

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iamlindoro:

*huh*?

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matt:

lol

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matt:

how do i bind the key?

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CaptObviousman:

hoboy

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matt:

lol sorry i said im a nub to this

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iamlindoro:

Something like:

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iamlindoro:

begin

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iamlindoro:

prog = mythtv

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iamlindoro:

Button = Back

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iamlindoro:

config = H

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iamlindoro:

end

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iamlindoro:

assuming you have a key called "Back" in your lircd.conf

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matt:

Prev.Ch

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iamlindoro:

sure, whatever you like

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matt:

is there something on this in the wiki?

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CIDR:

giving it another try

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iamlindoro:

many, many things on this in the wiki

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CIDR:

Does that patch help alot?

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CIDR:

There we go, seems to be working

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CaptObviousman:

what'd you change to get it to compile?

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iamlindoro:

He checked out the correct revision ;)

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CIDR:

I lied, still bitching

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CIDR:

weird

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CIDR:

Is this patched included in any newer revisions?

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iamlindoro:

no

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CIDR:

Hrmm, I must be screwing something up

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iamlindoro:

CIDR, just for reference, have you compiled myth from scratch before, what revision are you applying the patch to, and did you make distclean

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CIDR:

Yeah, cleaning up this now.

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CIDR:

I've compiled it from scratch before.

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CIDR:

I think I checked out the wrong version

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CIDR:

I was trying to get revision 14851

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CIDR:

but I think I screwed up somewhere, grabbing it again

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CIDR:

I'd probably be better off just using mplayer, or vlc, then the internal player

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CIDR:

maybe not?

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iamlindoro:

dependson your mplayer revision

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CIDR:

have to use a window manager with mplayer though

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iamlindoro:

But I'll tell you right now that if you're making you *own* blu-ray rips instead of downloading them, them none of them will do you any good because on most Blu-ray releases the audio formats are unsupported

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iamlindoro:

and the only way to make them work somewhat is to heavily patch mplayer with unsupported patches

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CIDR:

iamlindoro I'm not just playing blu-ray

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iamlindoro:

likewise with hd-dvd

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CIDR:

yeah

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CIDR:

can't you pass through the audio?

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CIDR:

I have a receiver that supports the formats

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iamlindoro:

No

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CaptObviousman:

what's so special about HD audio formats?

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iamlindoro:

and what receiver supports E-AC# and TrueHD?

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CaptObviousman:

do they not use DTS?

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iamlindoro:

No

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CaptObviousman:

eww

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iamlindoro:

nor do they use regular AC3 except for a small number of early disks

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CaptObviousman:

grrr, making up new friggin standards so we all have to upgrade our shit

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CIDR:

I have a AVR-3808CI

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CaptObviousman:

please tell me these new formats are not incremental improvements over AC3

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iamlindoro:

90% of all Blu-ray and HD-DVD disks out there use E-AC3 and TrueHD/MLP, including all new releases

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CIDR:

It does DTSes

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iamlindoro:

Cidr, that's not E-AC3 or TrueHD

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CIDR:

No it's sure not

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CaptObviousman:

do they have a dolby track on there?

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iamlindoro:

No.

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** CaptObviousman swears at MPAA **

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CIDR:

iamlindoro blueray players output in DTS-ES dn't they?

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iamlindoro:

There's no back-compatible audio tracks on recent releases... some of the old/original discs have AC3, though

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** CaptObviousman crosses HD off of his list of things to check in to **

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CaptObviousman:

I'll stick with OTA and normal DVDs I suppose

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iamlindoro:

CIDR, it's possible for the players to extract a DTS-compatible signal from TrueHD, but not possible on linux

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iamlindoro:

But, like I said, that's just stock

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CIDR:

oh ok

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iamlindoro:

my mplayer plays E-AC3 and TrueHD/mlp, but I patched the shit out of it

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iamlindoro:

and it's *not* perfect

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CIDR:

I don't have a blu ray player so I don't know

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iamlindoro:

E-AC3 plays with occasional pops and hisses (not too bad) and MLP plays cleanly, but only 2 channels

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iamlindoro:

give it six months and I would expect SVN mplayer to play both perfect enough for actual watching

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CaptObviousman:

one thing I've wondered

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CaptObviousman:

a lot of DVD players these days do upsampling

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iamlindoro:

mlp just went into ffmpeg SVN, and E-AC3 isn't too too far behind, and then it winds its way into mplayer, and auto-sensing the tracks gets perfected... then we're all set

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clever:

my mythbackend seems to randomly segfault on startup

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** CaptObviousman wonders if there's a program that will do that on computer **

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iamlindoro:

yes, it's called MythTV/mplayer/vlc/yadda yadda

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iamlindoro:

all of the above are outputting at the display resolution, which is all the upsamplers do, with a little filtering

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iamlindoro:

Still all looks like shite, though, since you're just stretching the image

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iamlindoro:

and maybe fuzzing it out with a few filters, all of which is possible on any of the above

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CaptObviousman:

wouldn't be much use to saving it upsampled would it

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iamlindoro:

not unless you have too much space siting empty on your hard drive that you need to fill

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iamlindoro:

not to put too fine point on it, but there's less than 0 use to saving it upsampled (an expensive word for stretched)

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CIDR:

I have alot of x264 with AC3 anyhow.

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clever:

my 264 is painfull to play on nearly all my systems

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clever:

only 1 box is able to handle it

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clever:

well

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CIDR:

Alright one more try.

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CIDR:

my macbook pro does a great job

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iamlindoro:

Running mac os x though, no?

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CIDR:

I'm hoping this 1.86 core 2 duo will be ok with this patch maybe?

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CIDR:

yeah running os x

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CIDR:

with vlc

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iamlindoro:

Apple's h.264 codecs are *far* better than any open-source option

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CIDR:

720p plays on the 1.86

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CIDR:

but 1080p is choppy

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clever:

dual 1.8ghz makes up for poor decoding software

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CIDR:

Hopefully.

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CaptObviousman:

I hope that they're working on that quality

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CIDR:

I can pickup a quad core for cheap , and m motherboard supports it

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CIDR:

but I'm not sure if more cores is really the answer in this case

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CIDR:

I'm goign to start messing with DVB-s soon though

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iamlindoro:

people always seem to forget the bitrate... Some random 1080p release you find on the net has been transcoded to low bitrate... running *real* Blu-ray rips at 35–40 Mbit, you need a lot more horsepower than a dual 1.86

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CIDR:

I have real blu ray rips

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CIDR:

uncompressed, etc..

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iamlindoro:

Then I'll tell you right now you won't make it work on a 1.86, multithreaded or not

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clever:

iamlindoro: yeah i dont look at the bitrate much

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CIDR:

Works on my macbook pro

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CIDR:

It's only a dual 2.33

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iamlindoro:

2.33 is enough

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clever:

the last 1080p 264 i had i deleted because i got a translated version of it

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clever:

in xvid

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CIDR:

Hmm, guess I'll throw a different cpu in the box then

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iamlindoro:

and, *again*, it's very different playing it on Mac Os X versus open-source options

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CIDR:

I can get a mobo and quad core cheap

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iamlindoro:

Quad core will be more than enough

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CIDR:

Hoping so.

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CaptObviousman:

boy you're making me worried now

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CIDR:

You guys ever messed with DVB-S

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CIDR:

?

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iamlindoro:

Where do you plan to get legal DVB-S straight into myth, given where you live?

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iamlindoro:

Since any option available to you requires breaking the law?

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CIDR:

ok?

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iamlindoro:

yes, I mean you

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CIDR:

I doubt I'll have any knocks on my door over a DVB-s

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, but you also won't get any help here for what you need to do to make it work

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CIDR:

anyhow, there is legit free to air

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CIDR:

maybe I want to watch religious channels

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clever:

or maybe your just making a cover for other channels you want to watch:P

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CIDR:

I'm not asking how to decode anything

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CIDR:

I was just curious if anyone had messed with DVB-s that's all

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clever:

ive got a dish on my roof that came with the house

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clever:

ive been looking into what it may take to leech the unencrypted channels out of it

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CIDR:

Yeah, I have a spare big dish in a shed.

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CIDR:

lnb, and everything.

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clever:

i think all i need to do is wire a dvb-s into it and point it in the right direction

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clever:

they didnt even go up on the roof to remove anything when they moved out

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CIDR:

clever should work

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clever:

but the cable guy choped one of the wires to the lnb off near the chimeny when running new cable wires

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clever:

for digital cable

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clever:

and lately its been blowing in the wind and knocking on the window

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CIDR:

sometimes that won't matter

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clever:

yeah its simple to tie it to another cable and extend it back into the house

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CaptObviousman:

yeah I've read that about install guys whacking competitors cables

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CaptObviousman:

really shitty thing to do if you ask me

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clever:

yeah

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CIDR:

well like dish network lnb's

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CaptObviousman:

it still takes effort and money to fix

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CIDR:

it won't matter

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CIDR:

each cable just goes to a receiver

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CIDR:

atleast on mine

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clever:

he also ran a nearly seperate line for each room

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CaptObviousman:

brilliant use of coax

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clever:

instead of leaving it spliting every 5 feet to another room:P

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clever:

it used to split over my bedroom for the family room

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CIDR:

clever that's kind of a good thing for cable internet and what not

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CaptObviousman:

it's like these tech support idiots that can't get off of the sheet of pre-programmed responses

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clever:

he ran an extra line along side the house just for the family room from the main spliter

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clever:

CIDR: my inet is over the phone

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CIDR:

oh well

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CIDR:

he was trying?

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clever:

the phone comes in at 1 corner

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CIDR:

think it's building with this patch now

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clever:

goes thru 2 lines to the other side of the house

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clever:

into a semi massive filter box

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clever:

filtered phone goes back along 2 wires in the same set of 4 to where it started

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clever:

then splits to a few other rooms

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clever:

by rewiring in that 1 room i can filter/unfilter a few rooms in groups

[01:47:13]

clever:

but you need to trace every wire to make sense of it

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CaptObviousman:

haha

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CaptObviousman:

who needs to make sense of it, just do a line and pick up the phone to see which one you got

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CIDR:

This might be a stupid question, as my backend has always been my front end

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clever:

the thing is i need a certain room unfiltered for the dsl modem to work

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CIDR:

can I watch live t.v. on my front end if my card is in my back end

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clever:

and the rest filtered so i dont have to spread those small filters all over the house

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clever:

CIDR: any of my frontends can watch 'live' tv from the card in a 'remote' box

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CIDR:

ok cool

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** CaptObviousman got a six pack of the filters with his DSL modem, and doesn't even own a phone **

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CaptObviousman:

I do bare wire DSL

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clever:

lol

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clever:

CaptObviousman: i get 150kbyte/sec download on avg

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clever:

CaptObviousman: what do you get?

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CaptObviousman:

hmm

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CaptObviousman:

I dunno really, mostly I'm limited by the server bandwidth

[01:49:48]

CaptObviousman:

I was downloading two isos at 150 kb apiece the other day

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clever:

torrents and the odd dd site lets me max it out

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CaptObviousman:

but I didn't stick around to watch it, had to go to work

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clever:

and apt-get allmost allways maxes it(yay ubuntu:P)

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CIDR:

150k?

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CIDR:

eeek

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CaptObviousman:

x2

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clever:

sometimes 170kbyte/sec

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CIDR:

I usually get about 1000

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clever:

i have cacti graphing my dsl line

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CaptObviousman:

CIDR: that may be, but only on servers that can move the weight for you

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clever:

theres a cisco switch between the dslmodem and the pppoe client

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CaptObviousman:

I'm saying I don't often encounter a situation where I can test my max

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clever:

so i can graph the packets passing between them

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CIDR:

most can.

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clever:

testmy.net

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clever:

that is designed to max your con and report the speed

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CIDR:

9.2 mbps on this box

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CaptObviousman:

noscript is great, but only sometimes

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CIDR:

but if I move over to the box with the other modems hooked up

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CaptObviousman:

I got 1.3 Mbps

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CaptObviousman:

kinda crappy

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CaptObviousman:

they had trouble installing mine due to line noise, I guess I shouldn't be surprised

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CaptObviousman:

but that doesn't seem right, because I know I've downloaded much faster

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clever:

they didnt install it here

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clever:

we moved from a few blocks away and took the box with us

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clever:

updated the billing adr

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clever:

and it kept working

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CIDR:

"I'm not worthy! Your connection scored 5/5 stars!!" (test again)

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CIDR:

9174 Kbps or 9.2 Mbps (1120 kB/s)

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clever:

took a few tryes with diff extension cords on the first day before i even got a con

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clever:

Download Speed is:: 153 kB/s

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clever:

Download Connection is:: 1255 Kbps about 1.3 Mbps (tested with 1496 kB)

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CaptObviousman:

ya you have what I have, according to this website

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CaptObviousman:

not so sure I believes it

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clever:

1255 Kbps or 1.3 Mbps (153 kB/s)

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CaptObviousman:

grr, so many units

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CaptObviousman:

which one is kibi/mibi used for?

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clever:

and i was downloading at 18kbyte/sec at the time i did the test

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clever:

which may have slowed it some

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mzb:

http://www.speedtest.net/

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clever:

thats just another site with the same thing

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clever:

mzb: got most of my d630 working on 3 seperate linux's now:)

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mzb:

nice

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CaptObviousman:

well shit

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CaptObviousman:

maybe I'm capped

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clever:

mzb: the old hdd from the oldest dell(linux has no trouble playing musical chairs with motherboards)

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mzb:

got your side+horiz scroll working?

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CIDR:

patch worked, sweet

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clever:

mzb: the thin client drive

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clever:

mzb: and netbooting with the identical root as another dell

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blizzow:

can I run mythfilldatabase without shutting down the backend?

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clever:

but xv is dead on the d630(nvidia drivers need about 150mb of depends)

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clever:

mzb: scrolling?

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insta:

hey guys ... i've got an HDTV tuner (i don't know the brand, it's not labelled!) and lspci doesn't identify it nicely ( Auravision Unknown device 01f9 (rev 03) ). do i have any hope of using it with myth?

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iamlindoro:

blizzow: yes

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clever:

insta: run update-pciids as root

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clever:

insta: that should update the names in lspci

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mzb:

clever: they are not synaptics touchpads, but more advanced ... lots of nice features

[02:00:26]

clever:

mzb: ahh

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iamlindoro:

insta: not as is... you can figure out what device it is and see if there are experimental or SVN drivers for it, though

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mzb:

try running your finger up and down the rhs of the pad

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clever:

mzb: it just works like a normal touchpad atm

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mzb:

(over xchat or firefox)

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clever:

mzb: yeah ive had that scrolling in every touchbad

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insta:

iamlindoro: do i have to do anything to make the new pciids active? it's still unknown :(

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mzb:

have a look at the docs ... there's a *lot* more ;)

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iamlindoro:

insta, nope, it's probably unsupported

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clever:

mzb: i loaded a special touchpad driver in my older dell but then the pointer moved way too fast so i just shut it back off

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insta:

i didn't know if there was an ndiswrapper equivalent :)

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clever:

mzb: also the wifi is dead atm in the d630

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iamlindoro:

nope, no equivalent

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clever:

mzb: 0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01)

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clever:

mzb: the driver and firmware are loaded but it has no signal(even though it can scan fine)

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iamlindoro:

further, a google for auravision site:linuxtv.org returns no promising results, so I think it's safe to say there's no support

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clever:

mzb: and my pcmcia card i mainly used causes this system to panic

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CIDR:

bbl

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insta:

well rats

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CaptObviousman:

CIDR has some video to test

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insta:

i wonder if there's a kernel dev i can send beer to in order to get a driver

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** CaptObviousman orders blu-ray porn **

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clever:

lol

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iamlindoro:

well, it'd be a dev at linuxtv.org, and they'd minimally need one of the cards

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insta:

so it'd be the dvb drivers?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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insta:

is it possible mine are just out of date? i'm running gutsy mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

But for what it'd cost you to either buy them a card, or ship them yours, wait, and ship it back, you could just buy a cheap kworld 115 and have a card that actually works

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iamlindoro:

insta, no, that would be quite up to date, and even if it were not, linuxtv.org is the place to go to find out if your card is supported, and there's no indication that it is

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iamlindoro:

so looks like you're SOL on it

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CaptObviousman:

what's a good, unobtrusive window manager for my myth box

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CaptObviousman:

with taskbar that autohides

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intima:

hey, can anyone from the UK recommend a good tv card / digital set top box (freeview) combo for use in ubuntu?

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, many answers to that... And almost any WM will allow you to auto-hide the taskbar, if it has one at all

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CaptObviousman:

well, one better than auto-hide

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CaptObviousman:

how about hide/recover on button-push

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CaptObviousman:

e.g. I push a button on the remote and the myth box "turns into" a regular linuxbox

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iamlindoro_:

That's all done through lirc, would have nothing to do with the wm

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, lightweight ones are openbox, xfce

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** CaptObviousman humms **

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iamlindoro_:

intima, I'm not in the UK, but from what I understand any linux-compatible DVB-T card should be absolutely fine

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iamlindoro_:

And for that, look here: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_Devices

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intima:

thanks very much

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DapOrp:

is there any way to tell myth to go ahead and expire and delete all recordings?

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iamlindoro_:

Hauppauge cards are commonly used, so those might be good options

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iamlindoro_:

no problem

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intima:

iamlindoro_, I'll probably go for the hauppauge win tv nova-t card...apparently its well supported and its only 30 quid

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intima:

thanks again

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iamlindoro:

good stuff, I've seen lots of people getting it set up, so hope it works out for you

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** CaptObviousman grrs at long list of Things To Do before he can build the mythbox **

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iamlindoro_:

By which you mean... get cable source and buy hardware? :)

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clever:

CaptObviousman: i just converted a existing system into a master backend:P

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CaptObviousman:

well, I need to finalize the backend, which is also my file server

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CaptObviousman:

what will be the front end is currently my main pc, so I have to migrate all that over to the thinkpad I just bought

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CaptObviousman:

and THEN finally i can set up the front end

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clever:

i added fe to all my existing linux systems

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CaptObviousman:

fe is what?

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iamlindoro_:

Frontend

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clever:

and only today have i started making a netboot image for a pure thin frontend

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clever:

frontend==fe

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CaptObviousman:

ah

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** CaptObviousman will have to get used to myth lingo **

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clever:

ive managed to make a rootfs for nfs use which is only <500mb

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clever:

f*cking ethernet cable keeps coming loose

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iamlindoro_:

Hey UK Folks, Doctor Who doesn't play on BBC HD, does it?

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Krazylegz:

0---------------------------------------------------------...................... ................................................................................ ................................................................................ ................................................................................ ................................................................................ .............................

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iamlindoro_:

or perhaps it will this coming series?

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jedix:

wide screen

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jedix:

not hd

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jedix:

I don't think

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iamlindoro_:

whoah, someone's cat got on the keyboard

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clever:

lol

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intima:

yeah, no HD yet

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iamlindoro_:

shame

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iamlindoro_:

And funny that torchwood is in HD, but not the series that spawned it all

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CaptObviousman:

or fell asleep

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defaultro:

hi folks, anyone here using hardware scalers?

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CaptObviousman:

CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED

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Krazylegz:

Yikes, sorry about that guys. The cat's name is Frodo. :-)

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** iamlindoro_ so called it **

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ViRUS:

I just configured lirc – thus created a lircd.conf file for the remote using irrecord – now I'm stuck how to get that remote working in mythtv.

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ramza3:

are a lot of those youtube videos of clips of shows, clipped through a pvr system like mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

very likely some pvr or another, yes

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iamlindoro_:

No accounting for illegal stuff people decide to do with their recordings, of course

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Solv:

I've installed knoppmyth and eventually got everything working...was a bit of a saga...the only thing I haven't got the way I want it is being able to use my TV without the monitor plugged in? I used to have it setup like that...but currently the only way I can get TV-out to work is with my lcd plugged into the vga port as well (it doesn't display anything, but if i remove it and reboot...the tv goes blank when x starts)

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matt:

did you set up svideo out?

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Solv:

yep...so xorg says to use connected monitor tv, tvoutformat svideo tvstandard pal-b etc etc

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Solv:

so when X starts, the lcd goes blank and the tv displays exactly how i want it...

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Solv:

i think it is something to do with the server layout? Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0

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Solv:

i wonder if i need to change that to 1 or something?

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CaptObviousman:

you want it to run full-time on the tv?

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CaptObviousman:

the way you have it set up now, x goes and hunts down a 2nd monitor to display your data on

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CaptObviousman:

which works great when the LCD is "screen 1" and the tv is "screen 2"

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Solv:

CaptObviousman, yeah

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Solv:

so how do I go about making it the default?

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CaptObviousman:

how about you pastebin your xorg.config file and let's take a look

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Solv:

sure thing

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Solv:

CaptObviousman, http://rafb.net/p/Uvw4CU97.html

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mzb:

CaptObviousman: try fvwm

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Solv:

tis a bit of a mess

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mzb:

(if you want *minimal*)

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mzb:

... or use no WM if you're only using the internal player ....

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mzb:

(or if you only use lirc for FE control)

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CaptObviousman:

mzb: nah, I want more than just internal. I'd like to browse and such on it too

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CaptObviousman:

Solv: where did you get the options for the card?

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Solv:

different howtos...like which ones?

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CaptObviousman:

never seen a TV out before, I'm not certain you need to specify it explicitly when it's the only screen

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CaptObviousman:

lemme do a little pecking

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Solv:

CaptObviousman, yeah I did that originally...just pretended it was a normal screen....but it caused some really weird stuff in mythtv...like it was in some kind of conastant 4:3 ratio i couldn't change...and it was running all choppy

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iamlindoro_:

Whoaaaaaaaaaaaah now

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iamlindoro_:

if you've never seen one then slow down a sec

[03:12:07]

iamlindoro_:

Yes, it needs specific info

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iamlindoro_:

solv, look at this howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOut

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mzb:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

Nothing there is ubuntu specific, that should get you rolling

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CaptObviousman:

oh hey look, someone smart showed up

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iamlindoro_:

You may simply be missing Option "TwinView"

[03:15:22]

iamlindoro_:

but I would start from scratch and see how it goes, rather than cobble an approach together from multiple howtos

[03:15:45]

iamlindoro_:

I'd also set up all the metamodes

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Solv:

iamlindoro, i don't think you ead my earlier stuff...i don't want two monitors....just want my main and only display to be my crt tv

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iamlindoro_:

I read perfectly fine, just because it's set up with twinview doesn't mean you need both connected at all times

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Solv:

iamlindoro, i had it runnin before...but lost my xorg.conf file...it was much simple than that

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CaptObviousman:

yay backups

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Solv:

i did

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CaptObviousman:

hehe

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Solv:

but my second hdd i screwy

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iamlindoro_:

Well hey, you obviously have it all figured out, good luck with that

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Solv:

wont mount

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Solv:

iamlindoro, didn't say i did....just saying that twinview isn't the answer

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iamlindoro_:

I've set up multiple systems with s-video (and only s-video out) with that howto, but hey, again, go to town, I won't trouble you with my help any more

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DapOrp:

does anyone here use a twinhan 102 remote with mythtv?

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CaptObviousman:

Solv: hmm, few things in your config

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tehpunkprodigy:

Does anyone know what could cause the audio to sound kinda staticy and grainy while watching TV? I know its not a hardware problem because I just reinstalled and my sound use to not sound like this

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Solv:

iamlindoro, http://www.linuxhardware.org/features/01/05/2 . . . tml...scroll down a bit...the solution is there under TV-Only display

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Solv:

iamlindoro, don't be such a proud bugger next time

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iamlindoro_:

haha, you mean right under "404 not found?"

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Solv:

iamlindoro, For TV exclusive mode, we tell the NVIDIA driver that the TV is our only monitor and treat it as such. For this mode, we modify our "HorizSync" and "VertRefresh" in the "Monitor" section to reflect those of a TV:

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Solv:

i think your dns server has issues maybe?

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intima:

no, your link got trunkated

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Solv:

http://www.linuxhardware.org/features/01/05/29/2147241.shtml

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intima:

".shtml...scroll"

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CaptObviousman:

are vendorname and boardname just text identifiers?

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iamlindoro_:

solv, that information is contained in the howto I linked you to

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Solv:

CaptObviousman, pretty much...

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Solv:

iamlindoro, i only saw the twinview stuff

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iamlindoro_:

Then you didn't read all the way down

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mzb:

Solv: you probably need to define: UseDisplayDevice and|or ConnectedMonitor (see the nvidia readme)

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mzb:

depends on your card + driver

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Solv:

mzb, yeah i remember something about that

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mzb:

you do not need twinview

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Solv:

thanks for the help...i'll muck around and get it happening soon..bbl

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Der_Thomas:

since we are talking about video stuff, I'm looking for suggestions for a good TV out video card that is PCI

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CaptObviousman:

he's got ConnectedMonitor set

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mzb:

you may also need to set things like: SecondMonitorVertRefresh, SecondMonitorHorizSync, TVStandard, TVOutFormat, and TVOverscan

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Der_Thomas:

I have a EPIA-M-10k with a unichrome TV out on board, but it doesn't output interlaced video correctly and the EPIA isn't powerfull enough to do de-interlacing

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Der_Thomas:

so I'm looing for a good – cheap card

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mzb:

you can probably leave your modeline as "nvidia-autodetect" (iirc), but I find it easier to set manually with: Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"

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iamlindoro:

Der_Thomas: Probably an fx 5200 pci

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Der_Thomas:

thats cool, any idea if it does XvMC?

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iamlindoro:

yes, it does

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Der_Thomas:

cool

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iamlindoro:

it's nvidia

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Der_Thomas:

right

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Der_Thomas:

...

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Der_Thomas:

think it matters how much video ram it has

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iamlindoro:

No, not really

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Der_Thomas:

the 256 is about 4x the price of the 128 on ebay

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iamlindoro:

Not in any way that you would ever notice it running it on an EPIA, anyway

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iamlindoro:

128 is more than enough

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Der_Thomas:

sweet

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Der_Thomas:

do you have to use nvtv to get tv out on nvidia cards or can you just set it up with an appropriate xorg.conf?

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iamlindoro:

on that card and newer, can be done in xorg.conf

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Der_Thomas:

good, I han an old nvidia before that I had to use nvtv and it just seemed like a cludge

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ViRUS:

matt, btw. thanks again – the remote works fine now. I just have to fix some smaller mappings, but all in all it runs really smooth. :)

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ViRUS:

matt got infected by me, eh? :P

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CaptObviousman:

apparently so

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\matt\:

last stupid question, in my epg grid the tv preview is messed up, it is on the left instead of the right and is all scrambled

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\matt\:

is it possible to fix it?

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Der_Thomas:

any SQL gurus out there? I'm having trouble with my DB

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clever:

Der_Thomas: #mysql

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clever:

or ask in here

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Der_Thomas:

yeah, I'll give that a shot, just kinda myth specific

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clever:

i might be able to answer

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Der_Thomas:

well I'm having a problem where I hit delete to delete a recording, but it does not go away. I had this problem before and it turned out to be a messed up table in my backend DB

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clever:

source install or a package?

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Der_Thomas:

I don't remember what I did to fix the tables, but do you know a command to list any crashed tables, or even better the command to fix them?

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Der_Thomas:

source on my BE and pkg on my FE

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clever:

there is a command in the contrib folder to repair all tables

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Der_Thomas:

0.20.2

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Der_Thomas:

really?

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clever:

optimize_mythdb.pl i beleive

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clever:

it optomizes's and repairs all tables

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Der_Thomas:

cool

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Der_Thomas:

I'll give that a shot

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NitohRyu:

hmm

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NitohRyu:

my nvidia card always works fine on tv out only

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NitohRyu:

except for the lack of configurable overscan

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NitohRyu:

which mythtv let me compensate for

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NitohRyu:

(excellent feature, btw =D)

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NitohRyu:

i was ready to snap that card in half

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bmw:

Hi, has anybody ported the mythtv to an embedded platform which has less than 500MHz CPU

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CIDR:

applying that multi thread patch did nothing

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CIDR:

any other ideas?

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CIDR:

I actually think it made matters alot worse

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mcquaid:

hello, I just saw an ep of a show (a simpsons ep) and I want to record that particular episode. I don't see how but wanted to confirm, is there a way to make a recording rule for a specific episode of a show?

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bmw:

I guess no one has done that. OK, let me rephrase, is a 400Mhz CPU and DDR I DRAM good enough to drive mythTV?

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bmw:

Currently, as to try out the mythTV, I have it run on a 1.7GB VIA C7 with 1GB DDR box and it works great without the hauppage tuner card

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clever:

mcquaid: ive wondered that too but never realy looked into it

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clever:

mcquaid: i just set the entire series to record

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bmw:

but the CPU usage shows 90% when mythTV is being played

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CIDR:

bmw what are you playing?

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clever:

frame grabber card?

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bmw:

what do you mean, CIDR?

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CIDR:

you said when mythtv is being played

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CIDR:

when it's just running?

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mcquaid:

clever, ya just playing with the recording rules, it doesn't seem possible

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bmw:

i see, the tuner card

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CIDR:

or what video are you playing?

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clever:

.

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clever:

mcquaid: but you can search for it if its repeating soon

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clever:

mcquaid: and set a record just once right at that time

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CIDR:

I honestly don't think 400mhz is going to cut it

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mcquaid:

ya that was the first thing i did

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CIDR:

but the guys here would know more than I

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clever:

CIDR: 400mhz works for a plain frontend(i have one)

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clever:

for SD tv in mpeg4

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mcquaid:

there should be a 'record exact title only' option

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bmw:

plain frontend?

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clever:

a box that isnt actualy recording anything

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bmw:

would like to support component format output

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clever:

the recording is being done by another box

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clever:

if the video card does then shure

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bmw:

and composite input and of course, a DVB-T tuner card

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bmw:

if possible

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clever:

dont know how much cpu a dvb-t may use

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bmw:

90% on 1.7GB CPU

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clever:

my frame grabber uses 60–90% usage on 1.6ghz

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mzb:

no way!

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mzb:

a dvb-t card would be outputting mpeg2

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bmw:

so, I guess 400mhz is ok without the dvb-t tuner card

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mzb:

so almost no processing involved in actually recording it

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mzb:

( < 10% on my p3–650 )

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bmw:

mzb, with or without the dvb-t

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mzb:

it's on 5% right now, while recording

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mzb:

playback is another thing ... that machine is also the main FE ... so recording and playback simultaneously is pushing it, but an xvmc card makes all the difference

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mzb:

s/that/this

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clever:

my 1.6ghz cant do both at once

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bmw:

hmm...

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mzb:

I can't see how a dvb-t card would be using 90% on a 1.7GHz machine ... unless you're using M$!!

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bmw:

M$?

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mzb:

owned by Bill (or was)

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bmw:

it's actually running mythdora on a 1.7g machine

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bmw:

not pure mythtv from scratch

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mzb:

the two are not mutually exclusive

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mzb:

(mythtv is an app, not a distro)

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mzb:

sorry, not paying attention

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mzb:

either way

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mzb:

what is it that actually uses up all that power?

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bmw:

haven't figured out that part yet

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mzb:

using top is a good start

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mzb:

gkrellm also makes life easier

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bmw:

top?

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mzb:

$ top

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mzb:

time for a walk

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tubetopbaby:

howdy all! I installed mythtv!!!!

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tubetopbaby:

i dorked the BE...so I am at the mythtv-setup...I just learned that my SA4250HDC's firewire does not work...I did setup the Schedules direct stuff...now I am at the main setup window with 1–5 General, capture cards, video sources, input connections. channel editor

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tubetopbaby:

where and how do I go from here

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tubetopbaby:

i don't want to loose my settings and I want to make the BE happy so the FE can find it

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tubetopbaby:

i hit esc...now it is filling the db...Yes!!!!

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\matt\:

when watching a recorded video the frontend will mysteriously quit

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\matt\:

after a few minuts of play

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\matt\:

no error message or anything

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\matt\:

anyone have any input?

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jhulst:

Anybody have any thoughts between xvid and ogg theora?

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mchou:

anyone here use openSuse?

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jhulst:

mchou: I do, not for my myth boxes though

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mchou:

jhulst: really? any particular reason not for myth?

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mchou:

jhulst: word thru the grapevine is that openSuse has most tested and stable kde distro......

[07:31:26]

jhulst:

mchou: No reason in particular, I enjoy trying different distro's, I have openSuse on my laptop, Debian on my desktop, others on other machines

[07:32:06]

jhulst:

mchou: I would probably agree with that, it works great on my laptop, I just thought that it was a little heavy for my myth box,

[07:32:17]

jhulst:

Again, mainly just for trying different distro's though

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mchou:

jhulst: I'm tired of bugs in kde that are result of the distro itself......

[07:32:52]

mchou:

jhulst: so long have you been using openeSuse?

[07:33:11]

mchou:

/so/so how/

[07:33:40]

jhulst:

mchou: I've been using it for the past 3 years and have had very few problems, I think it is one of the best distro's for desktop use

[07:33:55]

mchou:

jhulst: yup, I've head the same

[07:34:36]

mchou:

jhulst: so where does one get "non-free" SW for openSuse? Can you tell me how that works?

[07:34:57]

mchou:

I'm mean stuff that's not strict GPL and all that

[07:35:12]

mchou:

heard*

[07:35:55]

mchou:

in fact kde devs recommended openSuse for best stability

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jhulst:

mchou: There are community repositories that have extra stuff. There are also different repo's for ATI/NVidia etc that is maintained by Novell

[07:36:39]

mchou:

jhulst: so is it hust a matter of pointing zypper at those repos?

[07:36:46]

mchou:

just*

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jhulst:

mchou: basically

[07:37:29]

jhulst:

mchou: Packman is probably the most useful one I have installed, although I stay away from the non-free packages

[07:37:50]

mchou:

jhulst: so which of version of openSuse would you recommend, 10.3 or someearlier version for stability?

[07:38:40]

jhulst:

mchou: I'm running 10.3, I haven't encountered any problems with it, I don't see a reason to use anything earlier

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mchou:

jhulst: well, how do you have a decent web experience watching videos and whatnot (codecs)?

[07:39:25]

mchou:

a lot of codecs aren't "free"

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jhulst:

mchou: Such as? Flash is one of the only things I have that is non-free

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

mpeg isn't strictly "free"

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mchou:

realplayer isn't free (use that to listing to NPR programming)

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jhulst:

I don't have realplayer installed, I hadn't thought of mpeg before

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mchou:

libdvdcss isn't free

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mchou:

too much to list really

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jhulst:

True, I try to stay away as much as possible, but still end up with some things installed

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EnderTheThird:

This is worrying me. My WRT54g is taking forever to flash the new firmware...

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mchou:

jhulst: can you do me a favor and see if a pkg called 'gromit' exists on the "free" opensuse depos?

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mchou:

lol

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\matt\:

i get this with mythfrontend crashes

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\matt\:

http://pastebin.ca/823256

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jhulst:

mchou: yup, one moment

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mchou:

looks like EnderTheThird just bricked his router :)

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\matt\:

lol

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jhulst:

\matt\: You get that with everything or only a certain video?

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\matt\:

anything i've recorded

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\matt\:

so far

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jhulst:

\matt\: Can you play a video with mplayer?

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mchou:

and how exactly do you record? what HW?

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\matt\:

pvr 150

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\matt\:

installed mythbuntu 7.10

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\matt\:

have it set up as an mpeg card or what ever

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mchou:

\matt\: attached straight to coax?

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jhulst:

mchou: Not seeing i

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\matt\:

yes

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jhulst:

s/i/it

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mchou:

jhulst: ok

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mchou:

jhulst: gromit has 1 m, not 2 :)

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mchou:

jhulst: just making sure you didnt misspell or anything

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\matt\:

i am able to watch video with mplayer

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\matt\:

not sure for how long though

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jhulst:

\matt\: Full screen?

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\matt\:

with the stuff i recorded i was able to watch it for about 10 minuts

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\matt\:

then frontend would quit

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jhulst:

mchou: I had searched for 'gromit'. one m

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\matt\:

yes full screen

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\matt\:

i'll leave it on for a while to see if it quits also

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\matt\:

ooo

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\matt\:

could it be screen saver?

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mchou:

\matt\: doubtful

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mchou:

those messages from myth is basically complaining about the video being bad

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mchou:

are you going thru wireless via nfs or something?

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\matt\:

it's happened with 2 recordings

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\matt\:

live tv seemed to be fine

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jhulst:

maybe bad ram?

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Tanthrix_AFK:

That's weird. Those are the kind of errors you get with bad signal recordings from DVB.

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\matt\:

i have 1 gig ram

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Tanthrix_AFK:

Seems like it would take Very Bad Things (ie, bad ram or drive errors) to cause them otherwise.

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mchou:

lol

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Tanthrix:

\matt\: Could be a network issue like mchou suggested, as well. Definately some kind of defective or improperly setup hardware issue though. Even with the worst signal strenth a PVR-150 should create perfect MPEG2 files.

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\matt\:

network issue?

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Tanthrix:

Going over wireless?

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\matt\:

oh sorry

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\matt\:

no

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\matt\:

wired

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\matt\:

but it's only one box

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\matt\:

so i dont think that could be a problem

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Tanthrix:

Oh, you mean you're playing back local files?

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\matt\:

yes

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Tanthrix:

Ahh, I see. And these are all from a PVR-150?

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\matt\:

through mythtvfrontend

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\matt\:

yes

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Tanthrix:

I'd start checking my syslog for mysterious errors, and run memtest to check the ram. Something hardware wise is either broken, or not properly setup.

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Tanthrix:

Bad ram can cause all sorts of bizarre problems.

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mchou:

\matt\: how did you install myth?

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\matt\:

mythbuntu

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Tanthrix:

\matt\: When you do "mplayer /dev/video0" (or whatever your device is assigned to) do you get any errors in the console? If so, then you can rule out myth has the problem.

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Tanthrix:

\matt\: And if this is a sporatic issue, which it may very well be, you might have to run it over night then check the console in the morning to see if anything comes up.

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\matt\:

hold on i'm pastbin-ing my syslog

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\matt\:

then i'll pastebinthe error i got when i did mplayer /dev/video0

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\matt\:

i am currently recording if that makes a difference for the mplayer

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mchou:

lol

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\matt\:

?

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Tanthrix:

Honestly, I'm not sure if you can tap into the stream when recording. Might not be able to.

[08:02:01]

Tanthrix:

Never tried it myself.

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\matt\:

http://pastebin.ca/823276

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mchou:

if you're current recording using myth you dont want to step over /dev/video0 with any other proggie

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jhulst:

If it's local, you could just play the file being output

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Tanthrix:

\matt\: That's a different issue entirely. You'll get that if you can't access the file, or it's having other issues.

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\matt\:

http://pastebin.ca/823281

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\matt\:

that's my syslog

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Tanthrix:

Nothing pops out at me that is too terrible, but that doesn't mean everything is fine.

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\matt\:

i did grep out some NetworkManager stuff

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\matt\:

if you want me to post that too

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\matt\:

didnt think that was relevent though

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Tanthrix:

Aye, it's likely not in your case.

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\matt\:

could it be because i'm watching a file that is currently being recorded?

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Tanthrix:

No, that shouldn't do anything.

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Tanthrix:

Polking at it with mplayer could though, but I kinda doubt it.

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\matt\:

i did it through mythtv not mplayer directly

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\matt\:

if that makes a difference

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Tanthrix:

Big difference. Myth is playing back the recorded file, doing the above commands with mplayer attempts to access the PVR-150 directly

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Tanthrix:

Myth is designed to do such things. LiveTV itself is the playing back of a recorded file.

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\matt\:

i've turned off my screen saver

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\matt\:

imma sit back for a while and see if it still happens

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bsdfox_:

what filesystem do you guys use? sometimes my videos will pause and timeout after a big recording finishes or if I am deleting stuff (and I have delete slowly enabled) but I am using ext3..

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siXy:

bsdfox_: XFS has always worked well for me

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bsdfox_:

siXy: my backend for right now is a p2–450 w/ 512 ram.. I've read about XFS using a lot of cpu.. think it'll cut it? right now it gets under high load when slave backends do transcoding and commercial flagging over nfs

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siXy:

bsdfox_: i would be amaxed if you notice the difference to be honest. most of these web reports are either written by people with little knowledge of the subject in hand, or trying to do bizarre things on outdated hardware. the I/O load that mytv generates is very low

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bsdfox_:

ok cool

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Dibblah:

bsdfox_: Which Myth version?

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bsdfox_:

.20.2_p14972

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siXy:

the only downside you are likely to notice with XFS is that it does some very aggressive caching to increase speed – this does slighlty increase chance of dataloss in the event of powerfailure

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Dibblah:

Okay. Not that then, I think.

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Dibblah:

siXy: Errr?

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Dibblah:

It does not really cache aggressively.

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Dibblah:

The issue is that _data_ is not transactioned.

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Dibblah:

Only the metadata.

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bsdfox_:

that's cool

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Dibblah:

So if a data write is in-progress when the system stops, when the transaction log is checked on mount, the contents of the file that was being written will be zeroed.

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Dibblah:

"To make sure there is no silent corruption"

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siXy:

Dibblah: it uses the page cache a deal more than say ext3

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bsdfox_:

right now I have 2x80 raid0 and another 2x80 raid0 with lvm on top.. I don't think that's helping much either

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siXy:

and caches metadata in page not buffer

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Dibblah:

That doesn't make any difference to the likelyhood of data loss.

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bsdfox_:

will do 4x80 raid0 with lvm and hopefully that'll help some

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Dibblah:

As I said, metadata _is_ transactioned.

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siXy:

Dibblah: that would be true if it used only the same amount – but it doesnt. its cooperative cahcing model caches a deal more than ext3

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Dibblah:

Right. Okay. I'll just agree to disagree ;)

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siXy:

ok – its not like it matters anyway :)

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sinthetek:

are there keys to sync audio and video with mythtv internal player?

[10:47:06]

sinthetek:

like in xine m and n will slightly slow audio and accelerate video so they match up

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sinthetek:

i would be just googling for the key but i don't know the term for that and don't recall seeing it on the official key chart

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** sinthetek tries googling anyway **

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justinh:

press M while playing something, then select 'adjust audio sync'

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justinh:

you can probably even bind keys to it yourself. don't think it's like that by default

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justinh:

nope – you can't bind keys to increase/decrease audio offset

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Solv:

whereabout is the best place to get ROMS for the mythgame? bittorrent? also is there a specefic tpye of ROM to get, or can I get any ROM?

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justinh:

from arcade machines & original cartridges of course!

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Solv:

hehe

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hexxington:

justinh, not legal under UK law

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justinh:

hexxington: true

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hexxington:

justinh, under the usual format shifting rules.

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Solv:

a mate of mine had heaps once...but on windows, and we bought him an arcade joystick from the US...played streetfighter and nba jam all night...

[11:23:48]

CIDR:

I could never get mythgame setup right.

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AndyCap:

Solv: http://mamedev.org/roms/ :)

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hexxington:

8.4G /media/despair/Games/ROMs/

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hexxington:

*cough*

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hexxington:

i think owning 17 games consoles makes up for it

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AndyCap:

hexxington: despair?

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hexxington:

AndyCap, my server!

[11:25:09]

AndyCap:

so not the overall outlook. :P

[11:25:09]

Solv:

hexxington...so how about an ftp link to it ;)

[11:25:30]

hexxington:

AndyCap, it was originally delerium, but i had a difficult time installing it

[11:25:36]

justinh:

!trout Solv illegal

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** MythLogBot slaps Solv with a illegal trout on behalf of justinh... **

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hexxington:

Solv, nope.

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AndyCap:

:P

[11:26:07]

Solv:

hexxington, was j/k

[11:26:11]

hexxington:

i've only actually played one of these to completion without owning the silicon

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AndyCap:

anyhoo, if you can't find contraband on the internet you probably don't want it enough.

[11:26:48]

AndyCap:

on a related note. is there some hardware that lets mame read the actual chips? :P

[11:26:53]

Solv:

i normally don't dabble in contraband....just occasionally wanna relive my teenage years

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hexxington:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 directhex directhex 4.1M 2007-03–12 22:03 /media/despair/Games/ROMs/Super NES/chronotrigger.smc

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hexxington:

i'd buy it if it was ever sold in europe

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AndyCap:

ebay! :)

[11:27:44]

hexxington:

AndyCap, s us snes, us game which can easily go for $100, and 110v adaptor? too much fuss

[11:28:37]

AndyCap:

hexxington: well, you could just buy the game. :P or was that considered illegal in the UK?

[11:28:52]

CIDR:

NTSC vs. PAL

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CIDR:

won't work.

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bsdfox_:

anyone got an idea on scripting something that will make xxx cd2.avi automatically play after xxx cd1.avi and also eliminate the duplicates shown in mythvideo?

[11:29:51]

AndyCap:

CIDR: I mean't as in obtaining a paid copy and continue using the rom image.

[11:29:53]

hexxington:

bsdfox_, use the suffix "Part 2.avi" i think will have some effect

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hexxington:

AndyCap, not legal

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AndyCap:

doh, meant.

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hexxington:

AndyCap, there's no implicit permission in uk law allowing you to buy one format and use another. cd ripping is also illegal, for the same reason

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justinh:

no

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bsdfox_:

hexxington: is that documented anywhere? I couldn't find it

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justinh:

no 'fair use' in the UK

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AndyCap:

hexxington: heh, seems you got a stricter implementation of the eu directive than here.

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Solv:

i hear din the UK you have to have a 'license' to watch free to air TV

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justinh:

unless you term 'fair use' playing something in its original format

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anenigma:

hexxington: don't you love how copyright protection is essentially the stumbling block in you actually paying and using what you want

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justinh:

Solv: yep. rightly so. without it, all tv would be commercial crap

[11:31:44]

justinh:

<3 BBC

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Solv:

justinh, oh so there are no commercials?

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justinh:

no commercials in shows on the BBC

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Solv:

same for abc in Australia...but we don't pay for it

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justinh:

generally the only channels worth watching

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Solv:

justinh, actually the abc airs about 60 percent bbc stuff

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justinh:

even the people calling for the licence fee to be abolished don't seem to realise the UK govt will never get rid of it – they might cut off funds from the BBC & make them fend for themselves but no way would they ever demolish a revenue stream

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AndyCap:

Ah the lovely DTV provider here wanted to DRM the public license channels. Fortunately it got stopped.

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justinh:

they've even talked about a _computer_ licence ffs

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AndyCap:

justinh: well, you can watch bbc.co.uk with a computer can't you? :P

[11:33:53]

justinh:

because you can watch video based content on PCs now you know

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justinh:

wucking fankers

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Solv:

damn straight

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justinh:

people go around mutterring they're so glad Orwell's 1984 never came to pass. Oh how wrong they are

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Solv:

justinh, yup

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Solv:

hopefully the open source revolution will help to change that...and the music revolution...artists against drm etc etc

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justinh:

and we're letting them in the back door. it's very sneaky. maybe soon it's going to be completely illegal to protest about anything, never mind getting permission to do it

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Solv:

in Australia, since 9/11 2001 we have passed 33 new 'security' laws that essentially restrict our freedoms and rights

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Solv:

of course their to 'protect' us

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justinh:

it was all very very convenient

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justinh:

still, it might not become completely totalitarian in my lifetime, so er.. who cares? ;)

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Solv:

that's the spirit =)

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justinh:

at least people still have the vote. they chose some bloke who did a duet with Kylie on saturday I hear

[11:38:53]

justinh:

you know what it is though.. if most people had to risk their lives to preserve the illusion of freedom they have, they won't bother. I'm one of them. Life's too short

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Solv:

why would a burnt DVD lock up my DVD drive...i have 3 chocked with sfx samples...one is fine..the other 2 won't mount and i can't eject em....arghh

[11:39:46]

justinh:

filesystem restrictions maybe

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Solv:

they used to work fine as well

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justinh:

I keep all my audio & video clips on HDD

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Solv:

i'm thinking fingerprints or scratches...but surely it shouldn't lock it up

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justinh:

recordable media sucks as a permanent storage format

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Solv:

justinh, i did until i ran out of space...just bought a new one and so i'm trying to dump them back on

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Solv:

yeah apparently it breaks down....

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justinh:

mmmm 20 minutes left of the working year :D

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Solv:

archivers around the world are going to be spewing in 20 years when they try and access something they backed up for 'safe' keeping on an optical disc

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justinh:

Solv: yup. the lifetimes of 10+ years the disc manufacturers claim are ridiculous – to get those kind of lifetimes you need special conditions (darkness, temperature regulated, humidity controlled etc)

[11:42:39]

justinh:

and even if they give you a replacement disc what use is that? ;)

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justinh:

HDD ftw

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justinh:

but even that has its drawbacks. interfaces become outdated

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Solv:

yeah, although they are so much more fragile these days i reckon

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** AndyCap has been copying his 10 year old cd-r's to hdd for safe keeping **

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AndyCap:

s/safe/safer/

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Solv:

hehe

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justinh:

Solv: stored properly they should last longer than a CD / DVD-R

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Solv:

yeah true...but you know how often a drive will just go 'click'

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Solv:

the click of death =)

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AndyCap:

Solv: hopefully not 3 at a time. :)

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AndyCap:

rsync for the win.

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Solv:

yes...well having some kind of RAID setup would be ideal....as for me i am poor

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Solv:

so on a completely different non computer tangent...anyone know anything about 'Econ Fuel' magnet products that chage the molecular structure of the fuel and make your car 20% more effiecient?

[11:46:59]

Solv:

s/Econ/Econo

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Solv:

someone stuck a pamphlet in my windscreen...wants 45 bucks for it

[11:47:37]

AndyCap:

Solv: and?

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AndyCap:

you're not seriously considering this?

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Solv:

usually i assume they are scams...but i'm trying to find out if there is an outside chance that it might work?

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justinh:

sounds like snake oil

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Solv:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKpM6zV63qA – the graphics look cool...it must be true!

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AndyCap:

Solv: better to diy if you really want to try. http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/bigclive/magnet.htm

[11:50:23]

AndyCap:

and with accurate record keeping placebo shouldn't affect your car. :)

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Solv:

cool

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justinh:

just drive more economically & save 10–20 mpg

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Solv:

no way!

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Solv:

i have and always will be a leadfoot

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Solv:

=)

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justinh:

save your tyres too :P

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justinh:

and the planet!

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justinh:

(hugs tree)

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AndyCap:

I don't see any chance of it working though. :) unless you have metal shavings in your fuel, but then I'd probably suggest buying better fuel

[11:54:15]

justinh:

fuel magnets sound like 'healing magnets' & feng-shui. complete & utter horse crap

[11:55:11]

justinh:

that said, on hearing about perpendicular recording in new HDDs for the first time I was incredulous too

[11:55:39]

justinh:

it's bloody amazing those things work at all when you think about it

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justinh:

time to power down..

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Solv:

cya

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siXy:

"Some people can perceive a slight smoothening of the wines texture after exposure to the magnet"

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siXy:

xD

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Solv:

bring it on

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toad_:

anyone got a Nova-T 500 dual digital DVB card? is it stable nowadays? do you need drivers from mercurial? could the stick i have (same thing but USB and one tuner) be causing the segfaults i've been getting? :|

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Solv:

toad_, i'd love to have a dual tuner..alas i have but one technisat...=( Been waiting for a good well supported dual tuner to show up actually

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toad_:

Solv: get several USB sticks?

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Solv:

toad_, i don't understand

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toad_:

ummm you can get single tuner USB cards

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toad_:

and connect more than one of them

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Solv:

toad_, why usb? i'd prefer pci

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toad_:

well that's my view too, but i'm worried that the card in question *has had problems*

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toad_:

if it's stable now i'll probably get it, cos i was gonna get a stick but i sent it to the wrong address :|

[12:06:43]

toad_:

"Patrick Boettcher released a test firmware that is so far quite successful at removing the USB disconnects."

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CIDR:

I'm having problems getting myth to automatically start

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CIDR:

i have evilwm starting automatically, but myth doesn't

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CIDR:

Anyone know how to set the alsa device output?

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

ALSA:Default

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CIDR:

Default doesn't work, since I have 2 devices

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CIDR:

I meant in vlc, actually

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mchou:

beats me

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siXy:

ALSA:device=foo0,0 (or something like that)

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siXy:

aplay -l and aplay -L to list devices & pcms

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CIDR:

Ahh got it, thank you

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CIDR:

I had 0,1 instead of 1,0

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CIDR:

Shame vlc isn't really any better than the internal player

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CIDR:

Can't play 1080p on thix guy

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CIDR:

Guess I need a faster cpu

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toad_:

:| any chance of hardware (graphics card) acceleration?

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CIDR:

progably not?

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CIDR:

I'ts a intel GMA X3000

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CIDR:

jan2600:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G965 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)

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CIDR:

Works with the i810 driver

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toad_:

integrated?

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CIDR:

Yeah

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toad_:

single board PC?

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CIDR:

It's not a total piece of shit, but it's no 300 dollar nvidia card either

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CIDR:

nah

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CIDR:

This is my backend

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CIDR:

I'm just doing testing right now

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toad_:

what do you use for capture?

[12:36:28]

CIDR:

Nothing right now

[12:36:32]

toad_:

I need a *stable* backend, since it doubles as a webserver...

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CIDR:

I have a pchdtv5500 in the mail

[12:36:41]

CIDR:

And a dvb-s card

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toad_:

any recommendations

[12:36:44]

toad_:

?

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CIDR:

only thing that ever crashes on me is my frontend

[12:37:32]

toad_:

my backend crashes fairly regularly

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mchou:

toad_: you crazy

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toad_:

mchou: :|

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toad_:

mchou: it's physically impossible to have a stable backend then?

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mchou:

putting a web server on same machine as myth be is just asking for truble

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mchou:

trouble*

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mchou:

toad_: no, that's not what I said

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CIDR:

I don't see it hurting your webserver

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toad_:

well not if the drivers are stable

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mchou:

yeah, it would hurt his web server if his ivtv drivers got jammed

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toad_:

it's not a *major* web server

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toad_:

atm i use an external hauppage USB stick

[12:40:04]

toad_:

with the new firmware

[12:40:09]

toad_:

the backend crashes sometimes

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mchou:

well well

[12:40:35]

mchou:

I think that prolly more an isuue with the HW than the SW

[12:40:47]

mchou:

issue*

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toad_:

now you're gonna tell me that your backend is rock solid with a different DVB card?

[12:41:13]

mchou:

toad_: no usb cards here, rock solid

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CIDR:

Guess I should look into hardware accel with this

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toad_:

mchou: what do you use?

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toad_:

Library API version : 0.20.20070821–1

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mchou:

toad_: pvr150s

[12:41:56]

mchou:

toad_: and firewire

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CIDR:

In August 2006, Intel added support to the open-source X.Org/XFree86 drivers for the latest 965 series that include the GMA (X)3000 core.[28] These drivers were developed for Intel by Tungsten Graphics.[29]

[12:42:20]

CIDR:

hmmm

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mchou:

why hmm?

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toad_:

hmmm

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CIDR:

I don't think I have the right drivers

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toad_:

mainline drivers or Hg drivers?

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toad_:

mchou: mainline drivers or Hg drivers?

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CIDR:

Hg drivers?

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toad_:

mercurial

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CIDR:

I'm lost.

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mchou:

lol

[12:45:02]

mchou:

get a map

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toad_:

PVR150 isn't listed on http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#Hauppage

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toad_:

that's odd

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mchou:

toad_: that's cause it's not a DVB card

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mchou:

it's for US NTSC

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toad_:

ah well **** it then

[12:47:33]

toad_:

it's possible the segfaults are caused by something completely different of course ... i seem to get more when there's heavy load e.g. transcoding, though kernel build doesn't segv...

[12:47:36]

mchou:

the rule of thumb is to avoid consolidating two appliances as one :)

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toad_:

IBM is making a small fortune right now from doing exactly that

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mchou:

toad_: they do it thru vitualization

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toad_:

yeah, so?

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mchou:

virtualization

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mchou:

which doesnt apply in your case, since if you HW get FUBAR a HW Reset is necessary

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toad_:

i could do that if it helped but i think it's a matter of dodgy drivers

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AndyCap:

toad_: pvr150 lives on ivtvdriver.org

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toad_:

AndyCap: it's analog isn't it?

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** toad_ not interested in analog **

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toad_:

they'll turn it off in ~ a year or something

[12:50:41]

toad_:

okay, anyone recommend a good DVB card, PCI or otherwise, with *stable* drivers ?

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mchou:

toad_: and ypu'd be right about that

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mchou:

you'd*

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mchou:

damn, opensuse LiveCD green

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mchou:

green is fugly

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mchou:

I hope Suse doesnt screw us all with mono

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siXy:

toad_: leadtek DVB 1000-T

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toad_:

siXy: conexant chipset?

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siXy:

yup

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siXy:

the remote needs a little bit of patience to get working, but the tv card is very cheap, and very good

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toad_:

i had a terratec one and the connector broke

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a1fa:

are there any mpeg4 accelerators?

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a1fa:

slash encoders?

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Dibblah:

a1fa: Yes.

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Dibblah:

Windows / Mac only.

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Dibblah:

And only does SD.

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Dibblah:

mchou: PVR-150 isn't NTSC specific.

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Dibblah:

Works with PAL too ;)

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mr-at:

hi, i would like to buy a fullfeatured dvb-s card. Can anybody give me a tip which card

[14:19:58]

justinh:

don't buy a FF DVB-S card for using with mythtv. it won't support its output!

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mr-at:

is the FF card not better than budget cards

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justinh:

no better. infact it's worse

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justinh:

unless you plan to use VDR, buy a budget card

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CIDR:

Hrmm I just don't think 1080p x264 is going to play on a core 2 duo 1.86

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justinh:

even with the multithread patch?

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CIDR:

It actually seemed to make matters worse

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justinh:

on one core of my system it would play fine for about 30 secs, then pause for a bit, then play just fine again

[14:24:38]

justinh:

core2 duo _mobile_ 1.83

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CIDR:

Weird

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CIDR:

After I patched and installed the play back was worse

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mr-at:

I've a budget card hauppauge nova-s plus, works this card?

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justinh:

mr-at: see the wiki at linuxtv.org

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mr-at:

the wiki says yes

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justinh:

so YES! :)

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mr-at:

this card schould be able to record fine, has someone experiences with this card?

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a1fa:

ok

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a1fa:

mythphone is such a joke

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justinh:

mythphone is such an open source application, in need of some love from a programmer :)

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a1fa:

:P

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justinh:

when you've fixed it, let us know

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a1fa:

i'm a (L)user

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justinh:

awww so I guess it'll be ok if nobody listens then

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a1fa:

extent of my c is for (;;;)

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a1fa:

and printf

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opello:

for(;;)?

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a1fa:

opello : exactly what I mean :P

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[14:37:12]

** GreyFoxx is demonstrating mythphone right now :) (audio only though) **

[14:37:29]

** DustyBin imagines mythphone working with skype **

[14:37:57]

justinh:

isn't skype just a tad propriatary & closed?

[14:38:01]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[14:38:05]

DustyBin:

oh yeah :(

[14:38:31]

justinh:

as in .. if mythphone were ever to work with it, there'd be at least a cease & decist order floating towards the devs?

[14:38:34]

a1fa:

hey have skype plugin for asterisk

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a1fa:

s/hey/they/

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justinh:

good for them

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DustyBin:

alfa does it work ok

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justinh:

I have a TV. I have a phone. that's nice

[14:39:04]

DustyBin:

lol

[14:39:09]

justinh:

I don't want them in the same box

[14:39:27]

DustyBin:

justinh: think of all the great advantages of having VOIP

[14:39:35]

justinh:

what advantages?

[14:39:39]

DustyBin:

:P

[14:39:43]

justinh:

broadband goes down. oops no phone

[14:39:49]

opello:

more to clog the tubes

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a1fa:

the only reason i am using mythphone is to show caller-id on the phone

[14:40:06]

a1fa:

;P

[14:40:14]

a1fa:

voip > *

[14:40:19]

justinh:

I wouldn't mind a feature to disable the phone ringing when I'm watching one of my shows

[14:40:26]

justinh:

bonus!

[14:40:31]

DustyBin:

justinh: i read on BBCs website that digital radio will start broadcasting with pictures, using latest technology

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justinh:

DustyBin: ooo like TELEVISION?

[14:40:44]

DustyBin:

LOL YES

[14:40:51]

DustyBin:

i thought of you when i read that

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justinh:

I saw it demoed in 1999

[14:41:31]

justinh:

on Deprecated Audio Broadcasting? or DAB+ ? ;)

[14:41:40]

a1fa:

hot chocolate+tripple blend coffe == FTW

[14:42:14]

DustyBin:

my NOVA-T 500 is working rock solid under linux now, i might buy another one for it

[14:42:17]

justinh:

I pity the suckers who are gonna receive DAB radios this Christmas, in just a couple of years DAB might be replaced

[14:42:54]

DustyBin:

4 tuners / 2 PCI cards

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justinh:

plenty of time for there to be an outcry :D

[14:42:55]

DustyBin:

not bad

[14:43:23]

DustyBin:

mythtv fixes release is rock solid too

[14:43:34]

DustyBin:

ive been using it for a few weeks now and nothing has crashed

[14:43:42]

justinh:

yeah but – you just try buying a nova-t500 these days, not a nova-td500

[14:43:53]

DustyBin:

yep i read about those

[14:44:26]

DustyBin:

ive been using mythtv for 1 year this xmas

[14:44:33]

justinh:

I'll stick with my 3 tuners, then when multirec comes around I'll have a spare tuner

[14:44:34]

DustyBin:

i remember this time last year i ordered all the parts

[14:44:42]

justinh:

there's sod all worth watching on 3 muxes

[14:44:50]

DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

my next mission is to get a 26" widescreen in the jan sales

[14:49:57]

DustyBin:

26" = nice size for low res UK freeview

[14:49:57]

justinh:

yay one less 4:3set owner

[14:49:57]

DustyBin:

nope ill still keep 4:3 for when i do a theme

[14:49:57]

justinh:

32" is about as big as you dare go with mpeg2 SDTV

[14:49:57]

DustyBin:

yep

[14:49:57]

justinh:

just keep yer hands off my graphics

[14:49:57]

DustyBin:

hehe ok

[14:49:57]

justinh:

I mean it

[14:49:57]

DustyBin:

i will!

[14:49:57]

DustyBin:

im waiting for that new UI

[14:49:57]

DustyBin:

as you said about

[14:49:57]

DustyBin:

i think its in the process of being ported across?

[14:49:57]

justinh:

not really

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distortedstar:

hello

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a1fa:

awww

[15:55:19]

a1fa:

i am debating on getting apple-tv

[15:55:44]

a1fa:

40GB for $299 at bestbuy

[15:55:49]

a1fa:

my girl wants to pay for half of it

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justinh:

hmm $299 for a piece of junk o $400 for a mac mini

[16:08:49]

justinh:

what's another $50 each? :P

[16:11:40]

justinh:

I'd say an extra $100 to be able to play read HD is worth it

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justinh:

oof they're not $400. ach well

[16:17:36]

justinh:

a1fa: anyway the Apple store have the AppleTV 40GB for $299. not such a good deal at BestBuy after all

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justinh:

bah that's no fair either. mac mini in the USA starts at $599. in the UK its lowest price is 399 GBP. so much for the exchange rate benefit

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** hexxington gets educational discount **

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a1fa:

how much is mac mini?

[16:22:24]

justinh:

how much does that bring it down anyway?

[16:22:33]

a1fa:

$599

[16:22:34]

a1fa:

damn

[16:22:55]

a1fa:

i should just buy used hacked apple tv

[16:23:02]

justinh:

I thought they'd exchange about a GBP per dollar like computer gear usually does

[16:23:36]

justinh:

usually £400 == $400 whatever the exchange rate. criminal in this country

[16:24:23]

a1fa:

ya

[16:24:27]

a1fa:

apple tv is so slick tho

[16:24:33]

a1fa:

apple tv > mini-itx

[16:24:44]

justinh:

my epia is now in the bin!

[16:24:50]

a1fa:

:P

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a1fa:

what cpu is in appletv?

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hexxington:

1.2ghz pentium-m, i think

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justinh:

meh. useless

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a1fa:

thats good

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a1fa:

at least is i386

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a1fa:

its a nice slick frontend with HDMI out

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justinh:

which might only play 720p mpeg2 hd if you're lucky

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a1fa:

hehe

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a1fa:

:(

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hexxington:

nah, it won't do 720p mpeg2

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justinh:

lol

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a1fa:

my gforce wont do that

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hexxington:

there's a reason apple don't sell hd content on itms

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justinh:

like I said then isn't it. A piece of junk

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a1fa:

flatronf701B:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x] (rev c1)

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a1fa:

Modes "1280x720"

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a1fa:

ok.. it does 720p :)

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a1fa:

i wanted to 1080i

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a1fa:

but it wont do that

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hexxington:

it will if you ask nicely

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justinh:

er.. just because it _displays_ at 720p doesn't mean it'll play 720p

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a1fa:

i added a better video car, but my HDMI cable wouldnt fit

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a1fa:

not enough clearance between the case and the plug

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hexxington:

and justinh is stating the obvious, but it appears to need stating

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a1fa:

hexxington : i tried everything

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a1fa:

it wouldnt do it

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a1fa:

i even wrote specific lines for the tv i have

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hexxington:

1080i menus, 480p content. winnar!

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a1fa:

lol

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justinh:

I could have made my epia run X at 1920x1080. that wouldn't make it play 1080p content :P

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a1fa:

480p content?

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a1fa:

sucks

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hexxington:

you can't play hd on a mac mini

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a1fa:

x wouldnt start in 1080

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hexxington:

on a appletv, sorry

[16:29:19]

hexxington:

a mac mini will breeze through 1080p mpeg2

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justinh:

and 720p h264 :)

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a1fa:

any h264 encoders outthere?

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justinh:

not the BBC HD stuff – not on a single core anyway

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

in Europe our HD isn't mpeg2 so it won't suck as bad

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hexxington:

what does that go7007 chipset encode as? it's an mpeg4 of some kind

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justinh:

hexxington: it can't do HD though, so strike it off the list :)

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hexxington:

justinh, well, yes

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a1fa:

http://www.pastebin.ca/823811

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a1fa:

check it out

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hexxington:

divx. so mpeg4 part 2 in sd, encoding thereof

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a1fa:

no way i can get it to run on 1080i menus

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a1fa:

i double pasted

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hexxington:

a1fa, you tried everything except reading the plain-english message which tells you "IgnoreEDID" doesn't work anymore?

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justinh:

they changed the syntax for no apparent reason. Gawd I love it when people do that

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justinh:

ffmpeg are fans of that too

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hexxington:

justinh, whatever next, changing theme syntax meaning every theme needs updating?

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a1fa:

hexxington

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a1fa:

what does that tell me?

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justinh:

hexxington: at least that's in a good cause. the old containers are deprecated :P

[16:34:14]

justinh:

a1fa: it tells you that nvidia changed the option to something else to do the same thing

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a1fa:

still, i am lost. :(

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hexxington:

a1fa, it tells you "The IgnoreEDID and NoDDC options have been deprecated.". so it's ignoring any modelines you're trying to use, and forcing the only one your screen is sending

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hexxington:

what screen do you have, exactly?

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a1fa:

i am not forcing any modelines

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justinh:

a1fa: have a read of the nvidia docs. the newer ones

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a1fa:

:(

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a1fa:

let me paste my xorg conf

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a1fa:

i will browse through docs as well

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justinh:

nobody's said you can no longer ignore EDID info, just that the way to do it has changed

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hexxington:

a1fa, 1) whatever res you pump the menus out at, your system won't play HD content. 2) the EDID info given by your screen implies it's not a true 1080p screen. what is the screen?

[16:36:05]

a1fa:

http://www.pastebin.ca/823817

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hexxington:

3) appletv won't do hd content either

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a1fa:

its 1080i

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a1fa:

the screen will do 1080i

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a1fa:

its some CRAPYO HDTV :P

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hexxington:

how entirely useless

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justinh:

so 1360x768 native resolution :)

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hexxington:

i shan't bother, i think

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a1fa:

what?

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a1fa:

so do i need to ignore edid? i dont know

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justinh:

as ever, you're always better off running X at the native resolution of the display

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hexxington:

otherwise it looks wank

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a1fa:

and 1360x768 is native?

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hexxington:

we don't know. you refuse to tell us what your screen is, so we can't confirm

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justinh:

rtfm on your tv to find out

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a1fa:

;)

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a1fa:

hexxington : its Sanyo tv

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a1fa:

hehe

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a1fa:

Flat-Screen CRT

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hexxington:

sanyo have sold about 40 models of lcd tv since hd became fashionable

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hexxington:

flat crt. a detail!

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a1fa:

;(

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a1fa:

hold up i will find it

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a1fa:

Sanyo HT30746

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hexxington:

CRTs don't have a native resolution per se. well, they do, but don't let a CRT nut hear you say it

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hexxington:

all input scaled to 1080i, right.

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a1fa:

yes

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hexxington:

install hwinfo, and run "hwinfo --monitor" as root. pastebin the output

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a1fa:

installing

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hexxington:

that will tell you the EDID info your screen is sending. EDID is a spec allowing an arbitrary screen to give info on its capabilities, over the video cable (it's how a "plug & play monitor" works in windows)

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hexxington:

if your EDID info is missing a mode for 1080i, then you need to force the nvidia driver to ignore the EDID values (which it will always use by default), in order to use a non-EDID mode

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a1fa:

i get it

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a1fa:

nothing happened

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a1fa:

with hwinfo

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hexxington:

nothing? no result? you definitely ran it as root (e.g. with sudo)?

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a1fa:

# whoami

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a1fa:

root

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a1fa:

do i need to turn of X?

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a1fa:

nope

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hexxington:

some graphics cards aren't happy giving up the info, annoyingly

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hexxington:

my office pc won't

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a1fa:

bastards

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hexxington:

okay, can you pastebin your ENTIRE xorg.0.log?

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a1fa:

http://www.pastebin.ca/823832

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hexxington:

definitely unhealthy

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hexxington:

it's running at 800x600

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a1fa:

ya

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a1fa:

where do you see that?

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hexxington:

your screen is not giving any valid EDID lines ("(WW) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Unable to read EDID for display device CRT-0"), so the driver is falling back to the first mode it can find that works, which is 800x600

[16:50:15]

hexxington:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): Unable to validate any modes; falling back to the default mode

[16:50:15]

hexxington:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): "nvidia-auto-select".

[16:50:21]

hexxington:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 800 x 600

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a1fa:

;(

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a1fa:

fuX

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a1fa:

maybe the tv is messed up?

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iamlindoro__:

He's also using IgnoreEDID instead of "UseEDID" "False"

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hexxington:

iamlindoro__, pointed out more than once, but not the cause of the problem

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hexxington:

iamlindoro__, he DOES need to ignore edid though

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iamlindoro__:

sorry, hadn't come in yet

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iamlindoro__:

ignoreedid is deprecated, as stated in the xorg.log, though

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hexxington:

a1fa, more likely it's just cheap, and doesn't send valid EDID info. you need to configure the driver to ignore EDID, and then set all the monitor parameters by hand in xorg.conf

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iamlindoro__:

If he wants to ignore EDID he should be using "UseEDID" "False"

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a1fa:

ok

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a1fa:

i just did it

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hexxington:

VertRefresh 59–61

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hexxington:

HorizSync 15–46

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hexxington:

are those the values in your manual?

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a1fa:

aha

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a1fa:

i found those on the net

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a1fa:

i cant tell whats happenening to the tv

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a1fa:

i am doing this remote

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a1fa:

:P

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hexxington:

downloads from the sanyo website are painfully slow, i'm checking the manual to verify those refresh rates

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hexxington:

not in the manual. poop

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hexxington:

assuming the values are correct: Modeline "1920x1080@60i" 77.60 1920 1952 2240 2272 1080 1104 1110 1135 interlace

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hexxington:

Modeline "1280x720@60" 73.78 1280 1312 1592 1624 720 735 742 757

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a1fa:

where should i put those? under monitor?

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hexxington:

yes

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hexxington:

then try setting the Modes line to: Modes "1920x1080@60i" "1280x720@60" "800x600"

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hexxington:

assuming you already fixed the edid ignoring

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a1fa:

yup

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a1fa:

http://www.pastebin.ca/823855

[17:05:47]

a1fa:

http://www.pastebin.ca/823857

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a1fa:

it looks like it went to 1080i :P

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iamlindoro__:

That or your TV just exploded ;)

[17:06:38]

hexxington:

yes, pretty much

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a1fa:

:(

[17:06:46]

hexxington:

the DRIVER thinks everything's cool

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iamlindoro__:

hahaha, you're probably fine

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hexxington:

the TV's not telling

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a1fa:

;P

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hexxington:

if the TV had valid EDID info, you wouldn't need to mess around – since you wouldn't need to force other modes

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a1fa:

;)

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** a1fa goes home to check his tv **

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iamlindoro__:

That's why god made wives/girlfriends/parents to run into the basement

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a1fa-:

lol

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a1fa-:

it didnt work

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a1fa-:

its in 640x480/>>

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a1fa-:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1920x1080@60i"; removing.

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BULLE_:

iamlindoro__: i dont have a basement, but i have a fiance =( so i have big problems, nowhere to escape!

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a1fa-:

where do i need to pus those modelines?

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BULLE_:

Xorg.conf ?

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a1fa-:

in monitor section

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iamlindoro__:

BULLE_, haha, and *that's* why god made pubs

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BULLE_:

iamlindoro__: with the alcohol tax here, pubs arent good either =(

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a1fa-:

640x480 again

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a1fa-:

wtf

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BULLE_:

iamlindoro__: one pint of beer, is like 6 euro, atleast

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iamlindoro__:

Guess it depends on how bad you need to escape :)

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a1fa-:

hexxington

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a1fa-:

i am able to get hwinfo from the monitor now

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BULLE_:

iamlindoro__: =D

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a1fa-:

http://www.pastebin.ca/823883

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hexxington:

a1fa, odd. is it full of joy and love? or at least some correct refresh rates?

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a1fa-:

same onece i had

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hexxington:

a1fa, so the screen is only offering 640x480 or 720p

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iamlindoro__:

sorta looks like native res is 720p, too

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hexxington:

iamlindoro__, it's a crt, which apparently scales all signals to 1080i

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a1fa-:

ok its at 720p now

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a1fa-:

so it cant do 1080i

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a1fa-:

i should take it back

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BULLE_:

a1fa-: atleast it cant do 1080i over that input

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a1fa-:

2007-12–19 11:33:38.559 NVP: prebuffering pause

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BULLE_:

a1fa-: it might be able to do 1080i over some other input port

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a1fa-:

its HDMI

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a1fa-:

no way

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iamlindoro__:

"1080i compatible" strikes again

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a1fa-:

hhehe

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a1fa-:

fa6s

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BULLE_:

can display 1080i if you have a stb that transforms it to 720p ?

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a1fa-:

;)

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BULLE_:

a1fa-: whats the name of the tv ?

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a1fa-:

Sanyo

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BULLE_:

yeah, but what model

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a1fa-:

hold on

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a1fa-:

Sanyo Vizon

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a1fa-:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4810694

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a1fa-:

:)

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BULLE_:

a1fa-: ah, he, it does accept 1080i, but i bet only over the atsch tuner

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BULLE_:

a1fa-: pretty wierd, the manual seems to indicate that all input is scaled to 1080i and then displayed

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BULLE_:

so why on earth only support 720p via hdmi ?

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a1fa-:

gsay

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justinh:

would 1080i not look ok deinterlaced properly on 720p anyway?

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justinh:

better'n'nothing :)

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hexxington:

BULLE_, well, it's not HD Ready(tm) :)

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a1fa-:

brb\

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a1fa-:

back to work

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BULLE_:

hexxington: well, around here they never sold any CRT HD devices =D

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hexxington:

BULLE_, samsung sell one around here

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iamlindoro__:

Seems silly to buy one at this late date with rapidly falling LCD prices

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BULLE_:

not sure you can buy a crt anymore here, in your average home-electronics / tv shop

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: CRT is way brighter & more contrasty than any LCD

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BULLE_:

justinh: plasma!

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justinh:

pleh

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BULLE_:

60" pioneer full hd plasma!

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justinh:

hmm when 99% of all the content I can watch is SDTV mpeg2? no thanks

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iamlindoro__:

not without *substantial* drawbacks, though

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justinh:

I'll even go as far as saying that no broadcast HD can even compare to the quality of material from a HD source disc

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justinh:

unlike with SDTV where DVD was comparable to broadcast

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justinh:

so again, I'm not moved

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justinh:

they'll have to work harder to make me buy a panel

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justinh:

anyway parting with the best part of a months' wages for a display I can't try out at home would just be silly :)

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iamlindoro__:

You could always be like the douchebags in here last night who "got some x264 files" that they complain about hiccuping in myth... who have no idea what the bitrate, codecs, or audio formats are... and want to tell you that they made them themselves...

[18:10:01]

iamlindoro__:

you could "get" some HD material that way *rolls eyes*

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justinh:

I could do that yeah, if UK ISPs weren't all miserly & go ape when you download more than 10GB a year

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iamlindoro__:

"Oh yeah, I name ALL my rips Moviename.BluRay.AC3.aXXo.mkv!"

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justinh:

Some.Movie.xvid-ac3.leet.warez.group.name.avi – i saw that on some theme screenshot the other day

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, not very covert

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justinh:

people I work with think they have a God given right to plunder everything they can get their hands on even if they've no space to put it all. it's mad

[18:13:14]

justinh:

one guy has a HDD library. yeah that'd be a stack of HDDs

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hexxington:

justinh, it's a sense of entitlement. it's weird

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justinh:

file squirrels :P

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justinh:

I don't believe in prosecuting people for downloading stuff, but it'd serve em right :P

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iamlindoro__:

Sheesh, I have no time to watch stuff I own, let alone download stuff

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hexxington:

what pisses me off is people pirating apps they don't need, e.g. when a free alternative is good enough

[18:14:40]

justinh:

yeah the person using photoshop to retouch his camera phone pics

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hexxington:

precisely

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justinh:

I'm proud to say I own Sony Vegas. cost me a frickin bomb

[18:15:42]

justinh:

needless to say that since buying it I flat refuse to use anything else for the reason I want to get my money's worth

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, so *you're* the guy who bought it

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justinh:

I wouldn't pay whatever photoshop costs having tried it a couple of times though

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hexxington:

£700 iirc

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justinh:

:-O

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iamlindoro__:

yuck, and I thought it was bad here

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hexxington:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adobe-Systems-Inc-Pho . . . p/B000O17CQ0

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justinh:

and it can't even do decent quality previews at non 100% sizes? ouch

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hexxington:

£570 rrp

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justinh:

PSP may not be a 'pro' app but by gum I like it a lot. comes damn close to photoshop in terms of features

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justinh:

not in terms of output formats though I don't think but who outside the print world needs that?

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hexxington:

is it stable yet? last psp version i tried was crashy as anything compared to 7

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javatexan:

howdy y'all!!!!

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justinh:

hexxington: only seen 9 fall over a couple of times in browse mode in dirs with an inordinate number of files (like squillions)

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justinh:

I tried a demo of 10 to see if it'd be worth the fee, but whoah talk about nasty

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justinh:

damn corel. they ruin everything

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hexxington:

corel still exist?

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justinh:

yup

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hexxington:

they should diversify into something more profitable

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hexxington:

like making chocolate

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Iolaus:

Hey all, does anyone have any idea why scan displacement doesn't seem to be working for me? I'm using a Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-USB2.

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oobe:

does anyone know where i change position saved back to alternating between saved and cleared when i press the enter key i changed it so it always saves and never clears and now i wanna change it but but i forgot where it is

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Anduin:

oobe Playback settings

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oobe:

do you know off hand what page number it is

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oobe:

wait found it

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oobe:

i missed it the 2 other times i checked

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oobe:

i was looking for something to uncheck rather than something to check and completely missed it

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clever:

the menus in myth seem oddly laggy on this system

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clever:

i think its because i lack xv

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clever:

it cant be the ram/cpu because its got more ram then any other system in the house

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mkrufky:

anybody here using a PCI DViCO FusionHDTV5 RT GOLD ? (non RT should be OK too)

[19:55:19]

mkrufky:

a user is complaining about a bug that i am unable to reproduce

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mkrufky:

anyway, if anybody would liek to run a test using that card, which i do not expect any problems, please try http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb drivers and tell me if you have any problems

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mkrufky:

otherwise, i'll have to assume that this guy has some unrelated issue

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mkrufky:

(he complains about video stream breakage inside myth)

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clever:

could just be bad signal maybe

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sphery:

clever: Do you have OpenGL painter enabled? If so, try switching to QT painter.

[20:04:49]

clever:

open gl off

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sphery:

What res?

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clever:

give me a sec the xterm is frozen

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clever:

1440x900

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sphery:

Hmmm. Well, if the video driver doesn't have Xv support, it likely doesn't have any 2D accel, so your theory is probably right, then.

[20:07:07]

sphery:

Sorry I couldn't help.

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sphery:

Is it just a framebuffer mode?

[20:07:20]

clever:

just finished installing the nvidia driver

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clever:

xorg is set to 'nv' right now

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jedix:

the nvidia driver is 'nvidia'

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clever:

yep

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clever:

and that was 140mb of dependencies

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clever:

Driver "nvidia"

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clever:

restarting X

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hexxington:

nv is worthless for anything more than showing a "how to install an accelerated driver" window

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clever:

lol

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clever:

X-Video Extension version 2.2

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clever:

screen #0

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clever:

no adaptors present

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clever:

(==) Using default built-in configuration (55 lines)

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clever:

i think its ignoring my conf file

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clever:

Not loading nvidia_new module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf

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clever:

NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (No such device or address).

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clever:

i think i need to modprobe something:)

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Chicago:

clever: In your xorg.conf, does your driver say "nvidia"

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clever:

in xorg.conf.d630 it does

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hexxington:

clever, yes, you need the nvidia kernel module. it ought to be autoloaded by the nvidia x driver

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clever:

theres a shellscript whcih is reading xorg.conf though

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mkrufky:

clever: sorry was afk for a minute

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clever:

part of the auto loading

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mkrufky:

clever: id love to say bad signal

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mkrufky:

...but , the guy isolated it down to a single changeset

[20:17:26]

** clever patches the kernel **

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** oobe farts **

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mkrufky:

without the patch, hes got no problems, with the patch, video stream curruption

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mkrufky:

and what makes it worse, the patch touches code that should only affect ANALOG tuning!!

[20:18:13]

clever:

sudo modprobe -v nvidia

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clever:

install /sbin/lrm-video nvidia

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clever:

FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia

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clever:

no nvidia.ko for my current kernel

[20:19:09]

clever:

its part of the -386 kernel

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clever:

i'll try booting the -386 kernel but thats non smp so i loose half my speed

[20:22:00]

clever:

will need to tweak the pxe first

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Chicago:

clever: And with the tweaking, do you have your write-combining mtrr working for nvidia?

[20:22:58]

clever:

no idea

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Chicago:

'cat /proc/mtrr'

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clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1)

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clever:

reg00: base=0x00000000 ( 0MB), size=1024MB: write-back, count=1

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clever:

reg01: base=0x3ff00000 (1023MB), size= 1MB: uncachable, count=1

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hexxington:

clever, what's your distro? why not just compile an nvidia.ko ?

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clever:

hexxington: ubuntu 7.10

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clever:

nfs root

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hexxington:

clever, so put the linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` package into said nfs root

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clever:

30 sec remaining

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clever:

also nfs-common hangs on startup for about 2–3mins

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clever:

which makes booting painfull

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clever:

yep i got a nvidia.ko now:)

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clever:

X-Video Extension version 2.2

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clever:

screen #0

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clever:

no adaptors present

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clever:

i suspect its still ignoring my xorg.conf

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clever:

yep

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clever:

when i forced a -config path xvinfo gave something useufll

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clever:

half the problem is ignoring the conf file

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

theres the nvidia logo:)

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clever:

now i get tons of output on xvinfo

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clever:

and the menu responds instantly

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clever:

no playback trouble either

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clever:

and i can actualy see more of the setup windows

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clever:

widescreen

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clever:

normaly half of the boxes are cut off

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hexxington:

no graphics drivers in "causes graphics cards to be sub optimal" shocke

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hexxington:

r

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clever:

i was using vesa when i first installed:P

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clever:

thats gotta be worse then nv

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phrag:

hi guys, i have a problem with viewing video streams in mythtv... it used to be fine, now i get green fuzzy screen which i think is related to my graphics settings or codec... http://pastebin.com/d23e8c20d ...any idea's would be greatly appreciated (OpenSUSE 10.3)

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phrag:

could it be something to do with vsync in 'nvidia-settings' ?

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EnderTheThird:

phrag: It's probably the nVidia driver.

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EnderTheThird:

I had the same problem. Downgrade to the previous version.

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phrag:

hmm, that's what i thought too

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phrag:

ah good call, i'll try that... thanks EnderTheThird =)

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EnderTheThird:

***.***.14.11 or some junk for version number.

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EnderTheThird:

No problem!

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clever:

Dec 19 16:30:23 d630 kernel: [ 3642.372000] nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.

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EnderTheThird:

100.14.11 for the version number

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EnderTheThird:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_100.14.11.html (for 64bi)

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EnderTheThird:

*bit

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jinxdone:

hmmh.. Somebody tell me why mythtv suddenly stopped recording programs

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clever:

would it be posible to burn dvd's from a system that is booting thru nfs?

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GreyFoxx:

jinxdone: you cuold try looking at your backend logs if you have any :)

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GreyFoxx:

and check diskspace

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jinxdone:

There's only one "started recording ..." line

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jinxdone:

which looks ok

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jinxdone:

but nothing is written to disk

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jinxdone:

and there is 8gb of free space atm

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jinxdone:

It used to work just fine just a while ago.. been using this installation for a year or more i think

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jinxdone:

without any problems

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jinxdone:

It just simply stopped working one day, watching livetv works fine though :l

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EnderTheThird:

jinxdone: i'm assuming it's showing the tuners as available?

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jinxdone:

Encoder 1 is local on mythtv and is recording: 'Nerokkaat rikolliset' on JIM. This recording will end at 11:30 PM.

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jinxdone:

This is what i see atm when i look at the backend status through mythweb

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jinxdone:

everything appears to work fine except it doesn't do shit

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jinxdone:

:)

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justinh:

hmm everything appears to work fine apart from nothing works. heh

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Chicago:

clever: Sure, if your DVD burner is connected to the system booting from NFS.

[21:07:10]

clever:

yep

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clever:

Chicago: its just a mater of can the 100mbit stream all the files and the burner prog fast enough?

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iamlindoro__:

could always get drastic and back up the database and replace it with a clean one and see what happens

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Chicago:

clever: Do you have rsize=8192,wsize=8192 as mount options for your NFS root in /etc/fstab?

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iamlindoro__:

depending on how much there is to lose, of course

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clever:

Chicago: no options right now(and it mounts without a fstab even)

[21:09:09]

clever:

the first time i booted it the fstab was empty(only comments) yet it ran fine

[21:09:32]

Chicago:

clever: That's nice. . . i'm sure you'll still need to specify swap space on the local hard drive.

[21:09:43]

Chicago:

clever: You can mount the /tmp and /var/tmp on the local hard drive too.

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clever:

the local drive in the dvd burning laptop is win xp pro

[21:10:05]

clever:

which dad needs to do his work

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Chicago:

clever: Well the read/write block sizes for your NFS mounts can be optimized with the rsize and wsize option.

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clever:

yeah

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Chicago:

clever: And you can make it even faster by disabling TCP NFS in your kernel.

[21:12:19]

clever:

my current problem

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clever:

is nfs-common takes forever to start

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clever:

and without that i cant get a 2nd nfs mount for /media/mainlv/

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Chicago:

did you start portmap first?

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clever:

right before the nfs-common line is an error from the portmap start script

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clever:

saying portmap is allready running

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clever:

im also getting this in the log files

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clever:

Dec 19 17:04:42 d630 rpc.statd[4503]: Version 1.1.0 Starting

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clever:

Dec 19 17:07:42 d630 rpc.statd[4503]: unable to register (statd, 1, udp).

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Chicago:

then its hanging cause it wants to start portmap but portmap is already started.

[21:14:55]

clever:

the portmap start exits right away

[21:15:05]

clever:

then it gets to nfs-common which hangs for several mins

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clever:

if i uninstall nfs-common it runs fine and portmap still runs

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Chicago:

dunno.

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clever:

but it cant mount /media/mainlv which contains mythfrontend and friends

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Chicago:

My Gentoo NFS never has problems... even with PXE booting and root on NFS.

[21:15:55]

clever:

my first major problem seemed to be the userspace nfs server

[21:16:09]

clever:

once i changed to a kernel nfs server it fixed everything

[21:16:14]

clever:

and broke all my nfs mounts:P

[21:16:36]

Chicago:

If you are exporting the NFS share properly, then root should be able to mount them from your dads laptop.

[21:16:41]

clever:

uid maping is dead now so the owner as seen from 1 box doesnt match up

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justinh:

clever: doh

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clever:

/media/nfsroot 192.168.1.110(rw,no_root_squash,async) 192.168.1.202(rw,no_root_squash,async)

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justinh:

clever: lemme just check something which'll prolly speed things up for you

[21:17:05]

Chicago:

clever: Using export options you can specify an anonuid and an anongid.

[21:17:18]

clever:

Chicago: i want to map several uid's up

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clever:

so mythtv is mythtv on both sides

[21:17:24]

clever:

and mysql

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clever:

and my own username

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clever:

right now i just made the recording dir o+w so the other mythtv's can write to it

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Chicago:

I use. -> /MythTV/Movies circle(sync,root_squash,all_squash,anonuid=101,anongid=27,subtree_check)

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Chicago:

and also -> /MythTV/posters circle(sync,root_squash,all_squash,anonuid=101,anongid=27,subtree_check)

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clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 123 mythtv 419744227 Dec 19 12:02 1045_20071219095900.nuv

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clever:

-rw-rw-rw- 1 mythtv mythtv 99775 Dec 19 13:36 1006_20071218210000.nuv.png

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justinh:

clever: try the nolock option in the nfs mount

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clever:

i have nolock on both mounts

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clever:

the initrd script for the root uses nolock

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clever:

and my rc.local script for /media/mainlv uses nolock

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justinh:

hm

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clever:

but mounting of nfs doesnt work at all if nfs-common isnt installed

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clever:

(other then root)

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justinh:

we had big problems with NFS last time at a show. couldn't get all the machines to see each other. it baffled everybody

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justinh:

there was _no_ reason why it shouldn't have worked

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clever:

ive never had locking working with nfs

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justinh:

!seen Merlin83b

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justinh:

wow.. ltns

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Iolaus:

Does anyone know anything about the mythvid branch? I've found some references to it but I can't find a lot of info. I'm interested because I read something about it including better scaling capabilites and I haven't been too impressed with the scaling of my DVDs to 1080p by Myth's Internal Player.

[21:21:19]

justinh:

Iolaus: it got merged into trunk

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justinh:

and FWIW it'd be hard to be impressed by any SD content being scaled to 1080p

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Chicago:

Iolaus: Which VGA controller?

[21:22:04]

Iolaus:

VGA Controller is Intel G35 onboard

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Iolaus:

justinh: On the contrary, on my windows box with DScaler5 as decoder and FFDShow for scaling and post-processing DVD content can look fantastic

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Chicago:

Iolaus: Are you trying to watch your DVDs on a CRT, LCD or TV?

[21:22:58]

Iolaus:

The Lancoz rescaling in FFDShow does an amazing job

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justinh:

nothing can put what isn't there on screen

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Iolaus:

Chicago: Output device is a 1080p Plasma

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Chicago:

Iolaus: Why not use the zoom on the output device to do the scaling?

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Iolaus:

justinh: That's true but you'd be amazed how nicely DVD can scale with the right scaling algorithm

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Iolaus:

Chicago: I've thought of that but haven't tried it yet. Is there an easy way to get different video sources to play at their native resolution using MythTV?

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justinh:

oh FFS. got wife's friend's kids staying over & apparently somebody decided to watch Scarface

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Chicago:

Iolaus: Put 'w' during playback to cycle through them.

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Chicago:

Iolaus: I mean, push 'w'.

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Iolaus:

Chicago: what does that do exactly?

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justinh:

anyway I don't think even the -vid branch had much in the way of fancy scalers

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Chicago:

Iolaus: It cycles through the scalers.... with the native mode being "off".

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justinh:

and it has yet to be documented

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justinh:

Chicago: no, W changes the aspect ratio. nothing to do with changing scalers

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Iolaus:

justinh: That is what I thought W did.

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Iolaus:

in that case, it wouldn't be much help

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justinh:

nice try though

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Chicago:

Well, you're right.

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justinh:

Iolaus: there are a limited amount of filters you can use during playback in 0.20.x – I don't think any will do any fancy scaling tricks

[21:27:27]

Iolaus:

justinh: so mythvid isn't very well documented yet? It seems it would be easy for MythTV to offer scaling options as FFDShow is based off FFMpeg (and I think gets its scaling options from FFMpeg)

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Chicago:

I am only saying you should have the "W" option cycled to 'off' before you use the output device's zoom.

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justinh:

Chicago: zoom isn't exactly the kind of rescaling being talked about here either

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Iolaus:

justinh: Yea, I've checked out some. Looks more like denoise and such (which are nice and I'm using those in Windows with FFDShow as well) but the scaling is the biggest key to image quality.

[21:28:20]

justinh:

what's going on here is talk of picture processing

[21:28:45]

justinh:

Iolaus: sorry but the most likely way to find out would be to look in the source :(

[21:29:14]

Iolaus:

is MythTV written in C++?

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BULLE_:

Iolaus: yes

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Iolaus:

Wish I was as comfortable in C++ as .NET :(

[21:30:03]

BULLE_:

Iolaus: well, .NET is for wintendo you know, myth isnt for wintendo, so ......

[21:30:12]

Iolaus:

I know, I know

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Iolaus:

unless you count Mono :)

[21:30:23]

justinh:

Iolaus: and when you've looked, could you make some notes in the wikiwikiwiki? ;)

[21:30:57]

Iolaus:

justinh: you mean the source of mythvid?

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justinh:

it's been updated since being merged mind you

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justinh:

greedy deint has been added AFAIK

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justinh:

that said it sounds very similar to what FFDSHOW & DSCALER can do so maybe the same rules apply. only thing is I've never seen anything that says so

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Iolaus:

I'm really curious now. I was under the impression that FFDShow was basically just DirectShow wrapper and configuration front-end for FFMPEG. I'd be suprised if it's scaling features weren't based on some aspect of FFMPEG.

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Chicago:

I have a question. How do I cut video from a recording? I have set my cutlist... Now, I want the file smaller. Basically, I did a 6 hour manual recording... and just want to keep whats left after setting my cutpoints.

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Chicago:

I'd like to keep the video in the same format.

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Iolaus:

does the mythtv svn repository (or more importantly the mythvid branch) have a web interface?

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justinh:

Chicago: if it's mpeg2, just do a lossless transcode on it

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justinh:

Iolaus: svn.mythtv.org

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BULLE_:

Iolaus: or they just picked the descaler stuff from dscaler

[21:34:20]

justinh:

Iolaus: here's the merge commit: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14405

[21:35:11]

EnderTheThird:

Anyone know of some good transcode howto's and wiki's? I'd like to learn a bit more about transcoding with MythTV.

[21:35:20]

Chicago:

justinh: I'm going to have to specify somewhere that the original is deleted?

[21:35:45]

Chicago:

EnderTheThird, the mythtv wiki talks about nuvexport just fine.

[21:35:46]

justinh:

Chicago: if you want to keep the original, make a copy yourself first

[21:36:04]

justinh:

www.mythtv.org/wiki/ for all your mythtv wiki needs

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Chicago:

justinh: I don't want to keep a copy of the original.

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Chicago:

justinh: I want to ensure that it is free space.

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justinh:

Chicago: so don't do anything then

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EnderTheThird:

Heh, thanks.

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Chicago:

justinh: This is a prelude to trying to burn a recording to a DVD.

[21:37:34]

Iolaus:

Does anyone know if the Mythvid branch has a mailing list?

[21:37:52]

Iolaus:

or are all the branches just included in the mythtv-dev mailing list?

[21:39:05]

justinh:

Iolaus: it's been merged, so is effectively inactive now

[21:40:08]

Iolaus:

justinh: Does that mean that it was basically finished, merged, and is just waiting for the next release?

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iamlindoro__:

or for you to download it and compile whenever you want ;)

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Iolaus:

HOORAY: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2287 -> "Add support for OpenGL filtering, in particular Lanczos for scaling and YV12->RGB conversion for display"

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justinh:

Iolaus: ding ding!

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Iolaus:

Lancos is the scaling method of choice in FFDShow. Most processor intensive but the best available too!

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justinh:

so pick up a copy of svn trunk today! banish those stinky packages :P

[21:42:19]

justinh:

so er.. what's so fancy about that scaler then?

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Iolaus:

That'd be a big jump, not sure if I'm quite ready yet. I'm not a real linux guru just yet.

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justinh:

Iolaus: you don't have to be a linux guru to build trunk yourself. not if I can do it

[21:43:32]

Iolaus:

justinh: Lancos is just a very good scaling algorithm I believe. With FFDShow on my box downstairs I can get DVD content to look close (not there but close) to HD content on my 110" screen.

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iamlindoro__:

It's much easier than you probably imagine it

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justinh:

just googled Lanczos. By brain just went phut

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Iolaus:

if I compile the trunk can I replace my current install easily and keep my settings and such or will I need to redo all that

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iamlindoro__:

it will upgrade your database as appropriate, but it would be wise to back up the DB before anything

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fryfrog:

Iolaus: you can "upgrade" fine

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fryfrog:

downgrading is the hard part, so make a backup of the DB :)

[21:45:25]

justinh:

basically seriously complex matrix transformations. wonder how that compares with bicubic scaling

[21:45:41]

dserban:

I effin' love mythtv ... that is all!

[21:45:47]

justinh:

Iolaus: before installing trunk, remove & purge all mythtv packages

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justinh:

make sure you have all the dependencies you need to build trunk though, on debian you can generally get away with sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins

[21:46:23]

dserban:

Oh and... meh. I have the LC17 silverstone case... my ide cable is busted and I run two dvd burners... and I can't find a cable long enough to reach them... all this before christmas...

[21:46:27]

justinh:

the wiki covers it pretty well

[21:47:06]

dserban:

can anyone suggest an online store that carries such a beast? preferrably in canada?

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Iolaus:

If I build from trunk do I need to do it for both my backend and frontend?

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justinh:

dserban: any computer store worth its salt should stock a 90cm IDE cable. not that it's within the ATA-7 specs of course

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justinh:

Iolaus: yeah all versions must be samey samey

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iamlindoro__:

Iolaus, Your database schemas need to match, but having the same revision is the best thing

[21:48:16]

Iolaus:

justinh: There is a good description of Lanczos scaling at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanczos_resampling (it is still technical but also some english description)

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Iolaus:

hmm.. Maybe I'll take on upgrading soon here then. I'm a bit nervous as I just finally got everything up and running. My setup was complicated by the fact that I'm network booting my front-end.

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justinh:

Iolaus: yeah. also found a nifty bunch of comparison screenshots. I'm convinced

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Iolaus:

justinh: Were the shots of DVD content?

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justinh:

Iolaus: all being well you'll only have til 1st Q next year to wait :)

[21:50:02]

** jams is bored **

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justinh:

Iolaus: yeah

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Iolaus:

justinh: That's good news, I might be able to wait till then for an update. If I get antsy I suppose I can just back up my back-end server (which is also the NFS for my front-end) and go ahead from there.

[21:52:11]

Iolaus:

justinh: It'll be awesome to have Lanczos scaling in MythTV. I think that will get me 95% of the way to the picture quality I've worked so hard to get in Windows with FFDShow.

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justinh:

Iolaus: how much CPU does it burn to use that rescaler then?

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justinh:

not that I'm wanting in that dept. these days ;)

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Iolaus:

justinh: scaling DVD to 720p proabaly used about %50 of my old Athlon XP

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justinh:

not as much as I thought then

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justinh:

thoseplayback profile setup screens look scary wary

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Iolaus:

on modern dual-core processors it should run very very easily even at 1080p

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Chicago:

Iolaus: Too bad the plama output device you're using doesn't pull-up to 1080p for you.

[21:57:13]

dserban:

justinh, I'm having trouble even _finding_ an ide cable... it's all sata now :(

[21:57:55]

Iolaus:

Chicago: the plasma (as well as my projector downstairs) would upscale to their native resolution. The problem is you would need to set up MythTV to change its output resolution based on the video source.

[21:58:23]

Iolaus:

Also, most hardware scalers built into consumer electronics don't hold a candle to Lanczos scaling in my experience.

[21:59:04]

Chicago:

Iolaus: I see. Now, I understand. Your video can be in different res and you want it always to play at your native res on the plasma output device.

[21:59:43]

justinh:

dserban: not in the UK. sata optical drives are pretty thin on the ground compared to PATA still

[22:00:03]

justinh:

Chicago: that is _always_ the best way to operate :)

[22:00:14]

Iolaus:

Chicago: exactly. And to do that the video must be scaled (using a scaling algorithm)

[22:00:21]

Chicago:

justinh: The Asus 20X & 22X dvdrw drives in circulation here in the US are able to rip a disc in 10 minutes.

[22:00:26]

justinh:

flat panels I've seen in my lifetime can't scale for crap

[22:00:58]

Iolaus:

honestly almost no consumer electronic device has a really good built-in scaler. That is why you can by stand-alone units for many thousands of dollars.

[22:01:15]

Chicago:

Iolaus: Does the mythtv or mythvideo internal player support the Lanczos scaling you want to use?

[22:01:21]

justinh:

yeah but even they must be pretty much snake-oil

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justinh:

Chicago: it does in trunk

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justinh:

Iolaus: IMHO nobody in their right mind would shell out for a multi-thousand dollar scaler. ever :)

[22:02:09]

iamlindoro__:

By default, or is it in the new playback settings I've been so diligently ignoring?

[22:02:17]

Chicago:

justinh: Iolaus: What is a good way to dual install my current MythTV software in parallel with SVN?

[22:02:18]

justinh:

iamlindoro__: playback profiles

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iamlindoro__:

Yep, them's the ones :)

[22:02:32]

mr-at:

hello has someone use the hauppauge dec 300-s usb?

[22:02:32]

justinh:

Chicago: you can't do it easily

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Iolaus:

justinh: Most of the stand-alone units use powerful scaling chips that actually do quite well. They are built around complex algorithms like Lanczos too. But why pay for a separate unit when you're already using a PC for the source :)

[22:02:52]

Chicago:

justinh: Well, how about in a chroot?

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justinh:

Iolaus: true but I just can't help seeing those guys who buy them as chumps easily parted from their money – a lot like hifi extremists

[22:03:59]

justinh:

Chicago: installed to different prefixes, using a separate database.. it's possible

[22:04:11]

justinh:

but 2 backends can't share the same hardware

[22:04:30]

justinh:

I wouldn't wish it on anybody

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Chicago:

justinh: I wouldn't expect running them together.

[22:04:57]

justinh:

trunk is pretty stable most of the time – prolly more so than the current release to be honest

[22:05:04]

Iolaus:

justinh: There certainly is that line, and personally if I'm gonna spend a couple thousand I'd rather do it on a PC that can do all the video/audio processing I want. If I wasn't into PCs though, I would honestly consider dropping 1–2K on a good scaler. The difference it can make in picture really is staggering!

[22:05:07]

iamlindoro__:

SVN solves far more problems than it creates, I wouldn't go back to a release version for anything

[22:05:24]

justinh:

if you pay attention to the -commits & -dev mailing list you should be ok

[22:05:33]

Chicago:

Also, if I remember correctly from the past... I never figured out howto transfer meta-data from a recording from one mythconverg database into another mythconverg database.

[22:05:37]

justinh:

time your updates very carefully

[22:06:15]

justinh:

Chicago: dump the 'recorded' and 'recordedmarkup' and 'recordedseek' tables of course

[22:06:18]

Iolaus:

justinh: another upgrade question... If I compile and install the trunk version, can I simply when the next release comes out or am I stuck always compiling from then out?

[22:06:36]

justinh:

'sup to you

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Iolaus:

justinh: so I could simply apt-get install once the new version was out and it would install nicely over my compiled trunk version without blowing things up?

[22:07:15]

justinh:

backup the database, keep your media safe.. make uninstall (does what make install does in reverse)..

[22:07:22]

Iolaus:

ah, ok

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justinh:

prefixes on packages generally differ

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justinh:

defaults on debian packages tend to be /usr & default build/link prefix is /usr/local. you can specify your own compile to go into /usr though but some wouldn't recommend it

[22:08:49]

Iolaus:

justinh: I'm really thinking about ugrading now. I'd love to have the new video options to play around with. Are there screenshots anywhere of the new setup screens? It'd be nice to take a look at some of the options.

[22:08:59]

justinh:

screen .. shots?

[22:09:03]

justinh:

man ual?

[22:09:09]

justinh:

huh? speak English boy!

[22:09:10]

justinh:

;)

[22:09:15]

Iolaus:

heh

[22:09:50]

justinh:

they're gonna scare noobs witless, I think that much of them, from what I've seen on my dev box

[22:10:10]

Iolaus:

Heh, maybe they can be made optional

[22:10:20]

Iolaus:

like a basic/advanced setup mode

[22:10:51]

justinh:

argghh! Sandisk U3 !!!!!!!!!! AWOOOGA! AWOOOOOOOOOOOGA

[22:11:01]

Iolaus:

I'm guessing currently there is nothing about the settings in the wiki since it hasn't be released, right?

[22:11:02]

justinh:

must remember to fdisk this on my linux box

[22:11:21]

justinh:

Iolaus: that isn't a valid reason. the reason is – nobody's done it yet

[22:11:29]

Iolaus:

ah

[22:11:40]

Iolaus:

Stupid catch-22

[22:11:52]

justinh:

wtf is all this about? I do NOT want crappy apps on my USB flash

[22:12:04]

Iolaus:

I'd like to see the new options before I install (and I wouldn't mind adding the pages to the wiki if I had the options)

[22:13:06]

justinh:

boooyeah you can permanently uninstall U3

[22:14:28]

Chicago:

justinh: re-partitioning my U3 deleted the app

[22:15:20]

justinh:

whose bright idea was it anyway?

[22:15:38]

Chicago:

The establishment

[22:20:52]

Iolaus:

justinh: are there a lot of new setup screens for the mythvid stuff?

[22:21:22]

justinh:

Iolaus: not really. just a fair few settings

[22:22:43]

justinh:

huh? fdisk reckons this thing has only one partition

[22:23:11]

Iolaus:

justinh: Any chance you'd mind shooting me some screenshots of the new screens? Purdy Please?

[22:23:32]

Iolaus:

Sweet! It also looks like the mythvid stuff added a IVTC filter!

[22:23:40]

iamlindoro__:

I'm kinda psyched-- have never played with the swscaler settings... might add -sws 9 to my mplayer line to see how it affects some of my DVD rips...

[22:24:36]

justinh:

Iolaus: my dev box isn't powered up & I'm busy

[22:24:58]

Iolaus:

justinh: fair enough

[22:25:13]

justinh:

oh crap

[22:25:26]

Iolaus:

iamlindoro: If you're outputing to a HD display (and if it is anything like FFDShow) you should see a huge improvement

[22:25:40]

iamlindoro__:

yeah, 1080 fp

[22:25:44]

iamlindoro__:

er 1080p fp

[22:26:17]

iamlindoro__:

i'm sure mplayer just defaults to some fast bilinear scaler or something

[22:26:52]

Iolaus:

When I fired up Finding Nemo via Myth (on my 50" plasma, not even my 110" FP) I immediately noticed a ton of blocking and such.

[22:27:33]

Iolaus:

I've been spoiled with FFDShow Lanczos resizing for a couple years now and I forgot what a huge difference it makes.

[22:28:02]

iamlindoro__:

Good stuff. Not that anything looks terrible, per se, but every little bit counts at 106"

[22:28:12]

iamlindoro__:

I'll have to check that out when I get home

[22:28:50]

iamlindoro__:

I'm sure that I have more than enough processor to handle it, too

[22:29:32]

Iolaus:

iamlindoro: shoot me message if you try it out and let me know what you think!

[22:29:54]

iamlindoro__:

Sure... Am always in the channel. I'll check it out on both mplayer and in SVN Internal

[22:30:22]

Iolaus:

I'll be really interested to hear the results for MythTV internal

[22:30:46]

Chicago:

How do I delete Log Entries from the System Status screen?

[22:31:32]

Chicago:

I am deleting them one at a time, but would prefer to just clear them all.

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iamlindoro__:

Iolaus, in your experience with ffdshow filters on MS, is it worth it to use the same scaler for a 720p source?

[22:33:07]

iamlindoro__:

I would presume that it is most helpful with SD -> 1080p

[22:33:21]

iamlindoro__:

And wonder whether the gains are trivial between the two HD sources

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Iolaus:

iamlindoro: I honestly haven't experimented a lot with 720->1080

[22:34:15]

Iolaus:

You are right that the biggest gains with be SD->HD

[22:34:31]

Iolaus:

but I'd say it should still be helpful for 720->1080

[22:34:47]

iamlindoro__:

Interesting. Worth checking out, thanks

[22:35:42]

Iolaus:

no problem! My goal is to move all my HTPC stuff to linux and hopefully this stuff will be a big step in the right direction.

[22:36:02]

iamlindoro__:

I only ask because I transcode most of my HD recordings from network TV to 720p x.264 for archival, and so much of my saved material that's not a DVD rip is in 720p

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Iolaus:

iamlindoro: when you're transcoding, what scaling method do you use?

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Iolaus:

also, I'm trying to experiment here with mplayer and the -sws 9 switch. I just tried to run mplayer from command line but got "Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll"

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iamlindoro__:

Iolaus, in this case the transcode is only between formats with no down or upscale

[22:39:49]

Iolaus:

ah, gotcha

[22:40:18]

justinh:

the great thing with playback profile is that they can be resolution dependant :)

[22:40:33]

Iolaus:

exactly! That made me very happy to read

[22:40:36]

muxx:

hello everyone. I am running the latest mythtv release on P4 with radeon 9200 and opensource drivers. I am getting jerky playback after half a second. xvideo is enabled

[22:40:49]

Iolaus:

I'd love to apply more noise reduction, etc to DVD sources than HD sources!

[22:41:08]

justinh:

easy solution would be to buy a nvidia card & put the ATI junk in the bin IMHO

[22:41:12]

iamlindoro__:

He had me until ATI ;)

[22:42:40]

Iolaus:

Anyone have any idea where that avisynth.dll error is coming from when I try to load mplayer from the command line?

[22:43:22]

iamlindoro__:

Have never used mplayer on windows, so wouldn't know

[22:43:23]

Iolaus:

I wonder if Ubuntu installs avisynth somewhere mplayer isn't looking

[22:43:34]

Iolaus:

iamlindoro: this is on my Mythbuntu box

[22:43:36]

iamlindoro__:

ah, it's throwing that error on Ubuntu?

[22:43:38]

iamlindoro__:

weird

[22:43:43]

iamlindoro__:

yeah, no such error here

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justinh:

Iolaus: prolly doesnt install it. it's evil ;)

[22:44:08]

iamlindoro__:

erm, hmmm

[22:44:16]

justinh:

probably have to enable the multiverse respositories to install it

[22:44:25]

iamlindoro__:

There's a mplayer configure flag that refers to avisynth, I know, But I think I leave it disabled

[22:44:52]

Iolaus:

I though it would be installed with the w32codecs I chose under the "Don't install these illegal things, wink wink" setup screen

[22:45:42]

iamlindoro__:

I *looks* like it should have

[22:45:53]

iamlindoro__:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=159756

[22:45:57]

iamlindoro__:

That may set you straight

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muxx:

regarding jerky playback — is there a way to disable DRM synchronisation?

[22:46:24]

Iolaus:

I'll check it out, thanks

[22:47:19]

iamlindoro__:

Ack, except the download site is a 404 :) Well, just get ths file from your winstall and it ought to work

[22:47:35]

BULLE_:

muxx: DRM synchronization ?

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Iolaus:

iamlindoro: working on that now :)

[22:48:27]

muxx:

"Video timing method: DRM"

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iamlindoro__:

Strange that I don't get it, though... I've certainly never done it manually.. but I'm not running packaged mplayer either

[22:48:59]

muxx:

from the mythfrontend log

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Iolaus:

iamlindoro: I honestly don't know what it is for

[22:50:31]

muxx:

2007-12–19 22:48:43.950 Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'.

[22:50:32]

muxx:

2007-12–19 22:48:44.333 VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed

[22:50:32]

muxx:

2007-12–19 22:48:44.333 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'ATI Radeon Video Overlay'

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muxx:

2007-12–19 22:48:44.868 TV: Changing from None to WatchingPreRecorded

[22:50:32]

muxx:

2007-12–19 22:48:44.870 New DB connection, total: 4

[22:50:32]

muxx:

2007-12–19 22:48:44.871 Using realtime priority.

[22:50:34]

muxx:

2007-12–19 22:48:44.910 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: gw.home

[22:50:36]

muxx:

[mpegts @ 0xb7708810]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94212 !

[22:50:38]

muxx:

[mpegts @ 0xb7708810]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94212 !

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muxx:

2007-12–19 22:48:44.931 Video timing method: DRM

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iamlindoro__:

holy god

[22:51:39]

justinh:

you can safely ignore Parser not found for Codec Id: 94212 !

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muxx:

xure

[22:52:01]

muxx:

sure

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justinh:

muxx: well, get a worky 3d setup going & all should be well

[22:52:43]

muxx:

what's interesting is that the same code runs fine on the xbox

[22:52:50]

muxx:

3d setup? why

[22:52:57]

justinh:

yeah but the xbox doesn't have shitty ATI inside

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justinh:

:)

[22:53:15]

justinh:

ATI + linux == :-\

[22:53:21]

clever:

ati does give me some problems on my dell laptop

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muxx:

when it just starts, the first half a second it plays smoothly

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clever:

if i change between graphic and console too often it locks up solid

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iamlindoro__:

So the solution is to play only video files < .5 seconds

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clever:

and tvout is unstable

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muxx:

also, mplayer plays fine on the same xserver/drivers

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justinh:

muxx: mplayer != mythtv

[22:54:00]

muxx:

I know

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justinh:

upgrade to trunk, which can use different video output methods

[22:54:24]

justinh:

or get a nvidia card. problem solved

[22:54:26]

muxx:

could you elaborate?

[22:54:33]

muxx:

I don't want binary drivers

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muxx:

xvideo seems to work fine on this setup

[22:54:47]

iamlindoro__:

Well tough shit

[22:54:57]

justinh:

do you want working playback or not? ;)

[22:55:21]

muxx:

yeah, but without buying an nvidia that I don't need

[22:55:29]

justinh:

your options are – uninstall the packages you've got & build the bleeding edge version from source or buy a nvidia card

[22:55:33]

muxx:

also, the nvidias that I tried have shitty tv-out

[22:55:45]

justinh:

their tv out is very good these days

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clever:

muxx: tvout on my gforce4 nvidia works great

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muxx:

can I just try to disable that DRM thing? use vanilla xvideo?

[22:56:02]

justinh:

anything gf4 onwards

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justinh:

try using opengl vsync.. tv playback settings page

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muxx:

tried

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muxx:

still uses DRM

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justinh:

ach well

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justinh:

good luck

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javatexan:

what are all the video file types that mythtv can play? .avi, etc?

[23:05:39]

bsdfox_:

any scripts to clean up stray video files that aren't registered in the db?

[23:05:47]

javatexan:

i am writing a perl script to find all supported file types and do something with it

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iamlindoro__:

it can play any suffix you tell it to, and any container format/codec supported by ffmpeg

[23:05:51]

javatexan:

yup

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javatexan:

do you already have that script bsdfox_

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clever:

bsdfox_: theres one in the contrib folder

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javatexan:

that only does a single file....as I understand it

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clever:

myth.find_orphans.pl

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iamlindoro__:

you add extensions in "File Types" under Video Settings... And so long as ffmpeg supported both the container type and codecs at the time of last sync 9which was quite recent) it will play fine.

[23:07:09]

clever:

when run myth.find_orphans.pl finds db entrys that point to nothing and files that the db doesnt know of

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bsdfox_:

will it allow me to delete them or will it add them?

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clever:

it just lists them by default

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clever:

and has an option to auto delete

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javatexan:

in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib

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javatexan:

?

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clever:

you can also just remove them manualy

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clever:

im using the contrib folder in the source dir

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javatexan:

is it in the dist?

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clever:

run a search for myth.find_orphans.pl and you should probly find it somewhere

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muxx:

mythtv-0.20.2 — could not find myth.find_orphans.pl

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iamlindoro__:

So just get the file from the svn browser

[23:10:56]

iamlindoro__:

svn.mythtv.org

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Iolaus:

weird, I can play a .vob with mplayer, just not a DVD directory

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muxx:

could you remind me the environment variable disabling xvideo?

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iamlindoro__:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser that is

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muxx:

s/you/someone/

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muxx:

NO_XV 8)

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bsdfox_:

wish me luck, about to go format my backend 8f

[23:13:54]

bsdfox_:

I hope it helps

[23:14:02]

iamlindoro__:

bsdfox_, yikes! What for?

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bsdfox_:

iamlindoro: I had to move it over to a p2–450, and now when I delete big files or after a long recording finishes a lot of times I'll get disconnected briefly (long enough that whatever I'm watching will freeze and drop me to menu)

[23:15:14]

bsdfox_:

also my disk scheme sucks.. 2x80 raid0 and 2x80 raid0 with lvm on top (which auto stripes)

[23:15:26]

bsdfox_:

so I'm gonna move from ext3 to xfs and 4x80 raid0

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iamlindoro__:

Cool. Guess it pays to squeeze every bit of performance you can out when it's only a 450

[23:15:54]

bsdfox_:

I hit really high loads when multiple slave backends are doing the transcoding

[23:16:15]

bsdfox_:

yeah, unfortunately I had to pull my a64 3200+ out for a fileserver

[23:16:35]

bsdfox_:

the 450 is actually plenty fast except deleting files

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bsdfox_:

but I think that's ext3s fault

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iamlindoro__:

Yeah, from what I've heard that sounds about right

[23:17:10]

bsdfox_:

I've also prepared a much slimmer gentoo to run on it

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bsdfox_:

you think I should move up to .21 while I'm at it?

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bsdfox_:

I wasn't going to, but I've got backups of everything right now so it's probably not a bad time to try it

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iamlindoro__:

bsdfox_, I guess it's a matter of taste, but SVN has solved soooo many more problems than it has ever created

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iamlindoro__:

for me, at least

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bsdfox_:

is it possible to convert a .20.2 db to .21?

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iamlindoro__:

yep, just start SVN on any old database and it will upgrade it for you

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iamlindoro__:

er SVN backend, that is

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bsdfox_:

cool

[23:20:11]

bsdfox_:

0.21_pre15014

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iamlindoro__:

you'll probably never even notice it happening unless you're watching the backend log

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Egghead:

anyone here have problems installing knoppmyth with an onboard alc861 sound chip?

[23:21:22]

iamlindoro__:

I svn up every two weeks or so, and while the occasional little issue crops up, it's usually fixed within a few days

[23:21:37]

bsdfox_:

cool

[23:22:29]

bsdfox_:

I'm building packages for it on a xen domU with the same install :)

[23:22:33]

bsdfox_:

cool setup imo

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iamlindoro__:

Only virtualization stuff I've ever done is Parallels on my Mac OS X systems

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javatexan:

wow thats alot better than what I was doing....LOL

[23:24:22]

iamlindoro__:

javatexan, yup :)

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javatexan:

why isnt that part of utililities in mythtv...i want to be a user ;)

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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Hilikus:

im running mythfilldatabase with a listings xml file, it worked for like 3 months and now it doesnt work, i think this is the key sentence from wythfilldatabase

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Hilikus:

2007-12–19 18:18:11.399 No programs found in data.

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Iolaus:

man, I can't seem to get mplayer to even compare to the picture I have in Windows with FFDShow. I'm running with -vo xv -sws 9 -zoom -fs and the picture is really blocky!

[23:36:33]

Hilikus:

but i open the file and there are programs in it

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Iolaus:

I wonder what's missing.

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iamlindoro__:

Iolaus, maybe try -sws 9 -vf pp=unsharp=l:c:7x7:5/denoise3d=12:12:12, and perhaps -vo gl?

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iamlindoro__:

What type of video card/drivers, I wonder?

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Iolaus:

video card is Intel onboard G35

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Iolaus:

is there an easy command to grab driver?

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Iolaus:

list driver I should say

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javatexan:

my BE keeps shutting down for no apparent reason...I cant get it to comeback up until i restart the whole box.....weird >(

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mzb:

lolaus: test with gxine as well?

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iamlindoro__:

Iolaus, try more /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep Device

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iamlindoro__:

Should be first line to see what modules is using

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javatexan:

i am trying to restart backend....and if that doesnt work I restart mysql first, then backend...nothing...I have to restart the machine to get it back

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iamlindoro__:

if you're running vesa driver, probably explains it's looking like shite :)

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iamlindoro__:

also, do a glxinfo | grep direct

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iamlindoro__:

I think I recall Justin and a few others mentioning a few days ago that the intel driver needs a tiny bit of massaging on Ubuntu/Mythbuntu... a libgl1-mesa-somethingoranother needs to be installed for dri

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iamlindoro__:

probably libgl1-mesa-dri, but may be something else

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Egghead:

i keep hanging on bttv: using 8 buffers, during boot up, in think its the onboard sound card, alc861vd chipset, if i disable it in bios everything works fine, is there a work around/info for this?

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Iolaus:

aha, adding -vf scale=1920:1080 made a big difference

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Iolaus:

and by the way... Device "Intel Corporation 965 G1 Integrated Graphics Controller"

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iamlindoro__:

Iolaus, approaching comparable?

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Iolaus:

until I added that scale video filter the swscaler was listing: 720x480 => 854x480, now it lists 720x480 => 1920x1080

[23:54:42]

Iolaus:

the picture is WAY better

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Iolaus:

all the super noticeable blocking is gone

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iamlindoro__:

On par with your windows result?

[23:55:34]

Iolaus:

much much closer at least

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Iolaus:

I'll have to do some watching to be sure

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Iolaus:

but at least this time I didn't start it and go "YUCK"

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Iolaus:

looks like I still have a couple other issues with some messiness around edges but that might be fixable too

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