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Saturday, December 15th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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black_Nightmare_:

had to ask but anyone here know about slot1 cpus history?

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mchou:

damn, that's old

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mchou:

this aint the history channel

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justinh:

too old for mythtv no doubt :)

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black_Nightmare_:

justinh....umm excuse me? :p

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mchou:

no, slot 1 goes up to P3. not too old for a back end

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black_Nightmare_:

even that powerpc 603e over there can actually watch tv itself ;)

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mzb:

my mbe is slot1

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justinh:

realistically too old

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Are you asking as in "do you want to hear the story?" or as a question itself?

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justinh:

as in.. for a few bucks you can buy something faster with more life in it which'll be less hassle in the long run

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black_Nightmare_:

well mzb...I'm just curious about it but was the last slot1 (alak no slokey) celeron the 433 one I presume?

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justinh:

send it to Lagos

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** black_Nightmare_ knows that the last pentium one was 1.2ghz mainly in ibm netvistas tho anyway **

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mzb:

wasn't there a 500?

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J-e-f-f-A:

huh? I've got a dual PIII 866 Slot1 machine here in front of me... was my old backend..

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J-e-f-f-A:

I had found 1GHz Slot1 processors on ebay... but didn't want to spend $50 on them for the little increase...

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black_Nightmare_:

mzb..hmm if so these might have to be rare or something for I'm only usually able to find up to 433mhz (in cpu photo collections too) .. the 466+ were only skt370

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mchou:

slot 1 went all the way up to 1133 Mhz

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justinh:

there comes a point where old hardware just isn't worth even reminiscing about :)

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mzb:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Ce . . . roprocessors

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justinh:

it's 2007 guys

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black_Nightmare_:

mchou...the cpus out of the late ibm netvista's says they're 1.2ghz

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'd probably still be running my Dual 866 if I could have bought more memory for it... It's only got 512MB because it's rambus...

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mchou:

black_Nightmare_: so? Why do you need to ask us then?

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black_Nightmare_:

mzb...hm seem I was right then, its up to 433...thanks

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mzb:

black_Nightmare_: why limit yourself to celeron?

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** J-e-f-f-A is confused... **

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black_Nightmare_:

wonder where that wikipedia author is getting 24.6W tho .. its not even that hot at all

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mchou:

24.6W is not hot

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black_Nightmare_:

mzb....you have any better idea for this existing board? :p

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justinh:

besides they make all kinds of stuff up about TDP don't they?

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black_Nightmare_:

mchou...if you look at the several cpu databases its quite less .. likewise wonder who that wikipedia author is

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: So update it... it is a wiki after all...

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mzb:

black_Nightmare_: P3 slot1? eg. I've got a p3–650 (EB?)

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mchou:

in any case if you have a slot 1 proc that's more than say 600MHz it can readily be used for a backend

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black_Nightmare_:

mchou...you seriously want know what mhz the 603e is? hehehe

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** black_Nightmare_ chuckles **

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mzb:

s/EB/E

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mzb:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_III#Coppermine

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J-e-f-f-A:

even a HD backend (recording anyways) I had 3x SD tuners and 1x HD tuners. No problems recording all at once with the dual 866.

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justinh:

finally had feedback from the guy who bought that stupid 'socket 479' CPU from me

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mchou:

I know surplus places here that sell slot 1 procs (>=600 Mhz) for $5

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: you'd not have any bother recording that lot with even a single 866

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justinh:

unless the board only did PIO mode 4 :P

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black_Nightmare_:

mzb...well one problem is the board only can go up to 83mhz itself (although I'm not sure about that because there's no dividers to change anywhere) but anyway ^_^ [and just as a note for a moment I pondered about a bit of retro by finding a 100mhz super7 board but then decided against that and just reuse my current board for now]

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justinh:

jees

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black_Nightmare_:

pio mode? ha

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mchou:

dude

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mzb:

loungetv:/# grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo

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mzb:

cpu MHz : 806.008

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mchou:

83Mhz???

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: I had an ATA133 controller in there, 3x Hauppauge and 1xHD3000 tuner, with an 18GB scsi system disk and 4x200GB ATA133 drives in an LVM for myth.

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black_Nightmare_:

mchou...fsb just in case you couldn't figure it out

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justinh:

if I can buy enough grunt to play h.264 720p on a single core for less than £110 all in (thanks to donations) I think there's something seriously wrong with recycling kit that old

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mzb:

I've had to use a USB2 card and a raid card (in non-raid mode) to get good enough disk + tuner performance ... along with overclocking

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J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: What's the usb2 card for?

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: aye LVM might've added load you didn't need ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Yeah, the're sitting 'idle' on my new backend in an external 4-port IDE to USB appliance... It's the size of a big top-slot toaster...

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black_Nightmare_:

well I've never had any problem here with the pc (the powerpc does have major issues with recording due to poor ide thanks to apple's brains at the time tho but meh)

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mchou:

In any case, modern boards dont have enough PCI slots :)

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mzb:

J-e-f-f-A: external USB tuner (dvb-t)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: No internal tuners?

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mzb:

no

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black_Nightmare_:

mchou..six not enough for you? :p

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mchou:

every single one of my desktops is tuffed to the gills in slots

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black_Nightmare_:

(or you refering to microatx?)

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mchou:

stuffed*

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mchou:

PCI-E dont count

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mzb:

J-e-f-f-A: au$150 for internal vs $20 external (eBay)

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mchou:

max is ~4 PCI slots these days

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J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: I didn't think so...last I knew the usb dvb tuner driver 'broke' all other tuner drivers... But the last time I looked was about 6 months ago, so perhaps it's better now... (I have two Hauppauge HVR-950's that arent' being used becasue of that)

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AndyCap:

if money's no object. :P http://magma.com/products/pci/PE6R4/index.html

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black_Nightmare_:

andycap...you know what you could do if you had the pcb circuit making skill&tools? ;)

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AndyCap:

black_Nightmare_: something unholy. :>

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mzb:

J-e-f-f-A: external works fine ... but then I don't have an internal to check problems

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: re: PCI-E – depends on what you're putting in there. I dropped a firewire card in my pci-e x1 slot... ;-) (stupid mb didn't have it...)

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: exactly

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: a lot of stupid mobos dont come with firewire

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black_Nightmare_:

buy a pci-pci bridge chip from tundra or plxtech (two names I know of) and put the chip on a low profile pci card then add two pci connectors (or three if you want) and presto .. adding two/three cards to the bottom of your board easily neverminding you'll need a custom case by then ;)

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justinh:

haha

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black_Nightmare_:

and since its a bridge chip in use..it'll work with just about ANY boards

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black_Nightmare_:

:p

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mchou:

or if they do they jack up the price by something ridiculous

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justinh:

ahh come multirec we'll get by with 3 tuners max in the UK :D

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AndyCap:

black_Nightmare_: or just do like hauppauge and add the real chips you want and a pci bridge? :P

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black_Nightmare_:

mchou....I kinda find the lack of fw a bit strange...a lot of good sktA motherboards used to have one onboard almost all the times but then now when I look up AM2's its difficult :/

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black_Nightmare_:

but go figure

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AndyCap:

apple stopped charging licensing fees for firewire right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yep. Although a buddy of mine just built a clone of a popular FTA sat system, and his mb has everything built in – firewire, sata, nvidia with component out, digitial audio out, etc, for like $90... I was impressed...

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mchou:

black_Nightmare_: that's because you have to go for the premium lines of mobos to get firewire

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black_Nightmare_:

mchou...whatever happened to the sktA days? :p

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** black_Nightmare_ hehs **

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: needs more details :)

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, they ended?

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, along with dinosaurs roaming the earth?

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: was it mATX or full?

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black_Nightmare_:

at least if I recall right there's still one budget asus motherboard that has firewire for sure.. MV-VM or something close to that

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: matx... It's an Asus – I'll see if I can find the info on it...

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** black_Nightmare_ forgot the actual model now :/ **

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AndyCap:

nah, crap, you want firewire, you get to pay, and guess who.

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: na, dont bother. not interested in mATX :)

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AndyCap:

our old friends, the MPEG-LA http://www.mpegla.com/1394/

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, me either – unless it's a frontend-only system.... It does have two PCI, one PCI-e x16, and I think a PCI-e x1 ...

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm this makes me wondering now tho...

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black_Nightmare_:

were there ever any x86-compactible processor above 300mhz (not the risc-based IDT ones...I've seen that they're suggested to be much worser when it comes to more than office numbers crunching)

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AndyCap:

from who?

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black_Nightmare_:

andycap..you know...I remember seeing an older review for a sktA msi board..it only supported 266mhz fsb maximum but it actually had one rear and one onboard firewire ... probably a nice early example

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black_Nightmare_:

oh..from anyone except IDT? ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Actually, I was wrong — it's only $65 – Asus M2A-VM – MicroATX 2xPCI, 1xPCI-e 16x , 1x PCI-e 1x, DVI, Gig lan, digital audio.... Not bad at all for the price.

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black_Nightmare_:

the dogged cyrix almost comes close but only up to 285mhz (at odd 95mhz fsb) is known

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: that an intel or amd board?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: AMD AM2 socket

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black_Nightmare_:

jeffa...thats the one I was thinking of I think

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J-e-f-f-A:

It's on newegg.com

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: if that was intel that would have been sweet :)

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** J-e-f-f-A is partial to AMD for the past few years... ;-) **

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black_Nightmare_:

heh you know whats funny?

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Eddy Murphy? ;-)

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black_Nightmare_:

older system... no real preference between amd k6 or intel but any newer system I rather pick amd alone ;)

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mchou:

black_Nightmare_: that's cause you're a cheapskate

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mchou:

black_Nightmare_: still hanging on to a Slot 1 proves my point

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black_Nightmare_:

mchou..nope

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directhex:

what possible reason is there to buy amd for a newer system?

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directhex:

they make for better space heaters i suppose, since they run hotter AND take longer to do stuff

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mchou:

haha!!

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mchou:

what a joke

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mzb:

back onto this same old argument

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** black_Nightmare_ thinks directhex is mistakening the prescott P4's :p **

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** J-e-f-f-A ok, perhaps it's a Ford/Chevy like thing... I'm a Chevy guy because every Ford I've ever owned, or a friend/relative has owned has had more issues than my Chevys... Same with my AMDs vs my Intels... Me like AMD for that reason... **

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mchou:

exactly

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mchou:

if AMDs are toasters P4'a are nuclear plants

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mchou:

P4's*

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AndyCap:

or the people who like AMD buy new pc's when AMD is the top dog, and vice versa for people who like intel

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, prescott is a relic nobody gives a shit about

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black_Nightmare_:

directhex....tell that to others

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mchou:

directhex|bsp: yeah, becausee they take a nuclear plant to power them and sounds like a frigging airport

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directhex:

AndyCap, and those of us who buy a new pc when one is needed, with whichever cpu is better at the time?

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** J-e-f-f-A this is the #mythtv-users channel, right? ;-) **

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directhex:

mchou, past tense.

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directhex:

others, prescott is a relic nobody gives a shit about

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black_Nightmare_:

I think someone actually tried take a 3+ghz (so likely a prescott) P4 to just about 4ghz with some kind of cold liquid cooling

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directhex:

6ghz

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black_Nightmare_:

nuts if you ask me

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mchou:

directhex|bsp: you're the one who bought up the heat issue

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AndyCap:

directhex: yes? what about them? :-)

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directhex:

mchou, black_Nightmare_ used the word "new"

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directhex:

wait, only 5ghz. black_Nightmare_: http://www.tomshardware.com/2003/12/30/5_ghz_project/

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black_Nightmare_:

oh CRAP .. change that to 'totally nuts' then :p

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black_Nightmare_:

only if they still had that system then they could probably have paired it with 2x8800GT but ha...dream on :p

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black_Nightmare_:

hot cpu and hot combined heat gpus :)

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directhex:

3x

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directhex:

2x is so last week

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black_Nightmare_:

heh

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black_Nightmare_:

well you know what another wording could be?

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black_Nightmare_:

"sli is so 98's" :p

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black_Nightmare_:

I'm serious...take a hint ;)

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directhex:

it's not scanline interleave anymore

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black_Nightmare_:

hm...true

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directhex:

they just kept the branding they gained when they bought 3dfx

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** J-e-f-f-A had a Voodoo 3 card that was sli capable... never used it in that config though... **

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black_Nightmare_:

I thought it was only the voodoo2 that did this feature?

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directhex:

nowadays it's "scalable link interface", with two main rendering modes – AFR (where each card does a frame in turn) or SFR (where each card does X fraction of the screen)

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** J-e-f-f-A the cards were connected by a ribbon cable... **

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mchou:

directhex|bsp: let's settle this core temp thing. What does lmsensors say you cpu 1 core temp is?

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, correct. J-e-f-f-A remembers wrong. the voodoo3 was agp or pci, single-card, 2d/3d combined

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mchou:

your*

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directhex:

temp1: +62°C (high = -17°C, hyst = -1°C) sensor = thermistor ALARM

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

that's crazy

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J-e-f-f-A:

really? Ok, maybe it was an older Vodoo card... but it was sli capable, I just didn't have the $$ for 2 cards a the time...

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directhex:

model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 FX-55 Processor

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black_Nightmare_:

directhex...yeah..thanks ;)

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mchou:

my says 18 deg. C ("on die temp)

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directhex:

mchou, what's your ambient room temperature?

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black_Nightmare_:

there were maybe some non-3dfx agp cards that combined their own pick of 2D chip and 3dfx voodoo2 chip together on one card but otherwise thats pretty much it

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mchou:

probably around 60 deg F

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black_Nightmare_:

(lot rarer nowaday than just the 3dfx cards themself)

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mchou:

actually closer to 65 deg F

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directhex:

mchou, you know it's impossible, right?

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mchou:

nope, it's not impossible

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directhex:

mchou, your core temp can't be lower than your ambient, unless the laws of physics don't apply in your bedroom

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black_Nightmare_:

heh I have no idea on actual temperature of my current cpus at all...aside to that even after some game time the heatsinks just feel like a bit over lukewarm to the touch ^_^

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mchou:

it's not in my bedroom, it's in my office

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J-e-f-f-A:

directhex: Ya know, you're right... It was a seperate 3d card now that I remember... it had a jumper to go from your standard video card to the 3dfx card, then you plugged your monitor into the 3dfx card. (I'm getting old — I had forgotten that!!!)

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mchou:

directhex|bsp: and apparently you've don't undertand much about radiational cooling

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mchou:

directhex|bsp: your 62 degC is laughable

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black_Nightmare_:

jeffa..that was the typical 2D(agp or pci)>3D(voodoo1/2)>cable-to-monitor setup as you might have figured out now

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mchou:

directhex|bsp: that's a real toaster

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directhex:

mchou, and your core<ambient is impossible

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mchou:

directhex|bsp: haha!! you're talking to a physicist, my friend

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Yeah... that was like a long, long time ago for me now...

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mchou:

my themal diode registers 28 deg C

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black_Nightmare_:

jeffa....these 3dfx boxes were interesting back then mind you

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directhex:

you said 18

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black_Nightmare_:

these odd eyes starring at you straight on

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black_Nightmare_:

neverminding each generation had different background colours to seperate them

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mchou:

18 is on die temp as reported by k8temp

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mchou:

28 is thermal diode as reported by BIOS

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mchou:

not the same thing at all

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Perhaps mchou is using some sort of refrigeration on his radiator, or a peltier (sp?) on his cpu?

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mchou:

nope. I tell you why this makes sense

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black_Nightmare_:

http://www.techspot.com/reviews/hardware/voodoo3-3000/box.jpg here's a green example (the 2's were I think navy blue etc just so you get idea of what I meant by colours)

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mzb:

J-e-f-f-A: s/jumper/VGA passthrough/

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mchou:

the comp is running at idle virtually all the time

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black_Nightmare_:

if you can read that in the photo tho I find '3D Gaming at 60 fps' amusing but then that probably was true for early new 3D games

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black_Nightmare_:

:)

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mchou:

which means it's frequency and voltage throttled

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directhex:

mchou, it's still pulling a fairly constant wattage, and generating faily constant heat, even idle

[00:54:54]

mzb:

not true

[00:55:01]

mchou:

directhex|bsp: nope. wattage is not constant

[00:55:05]

directhex:

mzb, pull off your heatsink

[00:55:08]

mchou:

that's the key

[00:55:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Yeah, I had an earlier 3d-only Voodoo card (forget the model now), and a couple of years later bought the Voodoo 3500 (3000 with built-in TV tuner) — the 3d was great, the tv tuner sucked...

[00:55:11]

mzb:

;P

[00:55:17]

mzb:

P=VI

[00:55:35]

mchou:

mzb_d800: bingo!

[00:55:49]

mchou:

65 deg C is really laughable

[00:56:10]

directhex:

directhex@mortos:~/Desktop/folding@home$ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature

[00:56:10]

directhex:

temperature: 54 C

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black_Nightmare_:

heh actually...I'm sure the 3500TV was stepped up a bit more than the 3000

[00:56:28]

mchou:

even my thermal diode never reported higher than 45 deg C, even on the hottest summer days w/o air conditioning

[00:56:31]

black_Nightmare_:

starting with the ram clock (166 verus 183 in one comparasion example)

[00:56:51]

mchou:

and this is on AMD64 3000+

[00:57:19]

mchou:

directhex|bsp: so take you cooler than AMD argument and shove it

[00:57:20]

black_Nightmare_:

wouldn't had made sense for a new numbering if it wasn't with any performance increase of any sort if I remember 3dfx's ways of things

[00:57:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

My AMD 64 X2 4600 is currently: temperature: 22 C

[00:57:40]

mzb:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power

[00:57:41]

mchou:

cause you dont undertand that intel lies about it's TDP

[00:57:47]

mchou:

its*

[00:57:56]

directhex:

mchou, 1) this is an AMD machine

[00:58:20]

directhex:

2) current draw on an intel machine is lower. where does the current come from if it's actually putting out more heat – pixie dust?

[00:58:43]

directhex:

3) performance per watt is, at worst, double on intel

[00:58:57]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: is that reported by k8temp?

[00:59:13]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: the 22 deg C

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** otwin only cares about watts / dB ratio, not some uncomparable cpu temps from different sencors on differents MBs in different rooms **

[00:59:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

Umm... by the cat command directhex posted above... of THRM/temperature

[00:59:38]

directhex:

otwin, lies, k8temp knows all and sees all and tastes all. mmm, tasty!

[00:59:57]

** J-e-f-f-A looks to download k8temp... ;-) **

[01:00:10]

directhex:

it's a kernel module

[01:00:17]

directhex:

the one providing that acpi value

[01:00:25]

mchou:

no, real world performance matters more than some BS marketing numbers

[01:00:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

directhex: So then that's already the k8temp value? Cool.

[01:00:52]

directhex:

i have a thousand cores sat idle at the moment, of both flavours. i have reasonable real-world performance figures

[01:01:21]

mchou:

and if directhex|bsp is running 65 degC on AMD64, there is something seriously wrong with his setup. He probably has a t-bird

[01:01:48]

mchou:

there is no way that's a AMD64 at 65 degC

[01:01:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, so 71.6F — that's reasonable. It's probably 68 in my basement where my myth server is... And I've got a gazzillion fans in there.... sounds like a real server... ;-)

[01:02:00]

directhex:

it's an athlon fx55, at 100% load

[01:02:07]

directhex:

and has been at 100% load for the past fortnight or so

[01:02:58]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: no, the acpi number is not the same as k8temp

[01:03:06]

mzb:

you're all also assuming that the software is giving the right value (and that it's correctly calibrated for *YOUR* mobo)

[01:03:29]

directhex:

mzb, LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU

[01:03:36]

directhex:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/athlon64-fx55/temp.png must be broken too

[01:03:40]

mchou:

mzb_d800: mobo has nothing to do with it. k8temp measures temp as reported by the CORE

[01:03:46]

directhex:

and http://www.nordichardware.com/skrivelser_img/362/3.jpg

[01:03:48]

black_Nightmare_:

hmmm here we are re something someone mentioned a while ago...

[01:03:58]

black_Nightmare_:

"November 13, 2000- 3dfx Licenses 4-Way SLI Technology to Quantum3D"

[01:04:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

I guess I don't care all that much — it works, and has never overheated on me... ;-)

[01:04:23]

black_Nightmare_:

so it did seem possible it was fully working

[01:04:28]

mchou:

mzb_d800: which doesnt need calibration except at the factory :)

[01:04:28]

mzb:

mobo+chipset ... etc ... it still comes down to k8temp and/or lmsensors interpreting numbers the correct way

[01:04:47]

black_Nightmare_:

only one complication on that tho is...barely just one month later 3dfx said goodbye to themself for good :/

[01:04:54]

black_Nightmare_:

dec 15 nvidia bought them out

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mchou:

mzb_d800: hich part of "reporting the CORE" dont you undertand?

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mchou:

k8temp doesnt talk to the mobo components

[01:05:32]

mchou:

not bios, not thernmal diodes

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mchou:

only the temp as reported by the core

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mzb:

mchou: stop drinking caffeine, mate ... it's affecting you social skills (or lack of them)

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directhex:

and increasing wrongness

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mchou:

unless I got a faulty CPU :)

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mzb:

or unless you really don't know what you're talking about

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** J-e-f-f-A "Can't we all just get along?" ;-) MythTV ROCKS! **

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mchou:

mzb_d800: yeah, ad hominem is the refuse of those who can't adress the facts

[01:07:21]

otwin:

but who cares about cpu temps if you can't compare the environments, power consumption etc.

[01:07:21]

squish102:

someone with mysql, can u tell me what is wrong with the delete part: http://www.pastebin.ca/816865

[01:07:39]

Weezey:

Is there any way to stream the same audio to multiple frontends so that I can walk from room to room and hear the same music?

[01:07:57]

mchou:

otwin: true. but 65 degC vs. 20 degC is no contest :)

[01:07:58]

directhex:

Weezey, not as standard, no

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Weezey:

if not, I'm going to have to use something like shoutcast or something

[01:08:06]

directhex:

mchou, you're still talking shit. did you notice?

[01:08:32]

mchou:

directhex|bsp: yeah, I noticed you were talking shit long ago

[01:08:39]

squish102:

error i get is: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting "

[01:08:44]

mzb:

otwin: I agree ... don't forget the dust, though! ... and while we're there, don't forget convective currents! ;)

[01:09:32]

mzb:

mchou: it's a contest? You're in a league of your own.

[01:09:32]

mchou:

mzb_d800: it's apparent you dont undertand the different betw. radiative cooling and convective currents

[01:09:42]

directhex:

mchou, no really. two random hardware sites show temps even higher for this cpu under load, and yet you insist on comparing an amd cpu under full load to your amd cpu under no load – and calling it a win against intel

[01:09:52]

directhex:

frankly, i'm baffled how you've survived this far.

[01:09:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: On the surface, the error message would seem to indicate you're trying to update a string field with a numeric value...

[01:10:03]

mzb:

mchou: I was referring to air currents within the room ... get a life

[01:10:15]

directhex:

mzb, for once, we seem to agree on something

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squish102:

J-e-f-f-A it is in the delete line

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mzb:

:)

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mchou:

directhex|bsp: I'm just pointing out if your AMD comp is running at 65 deg C, there's no wonder you're an Intel fan boy. That's what I'm talking about

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J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: Can you pastbin the error?

[01:10:41]

black_Nightmare_:

hmm if anyone here minds...

[01:10:46]

squish102:

is it possibly a mysql version problem

[01:10:49]

mchou:

your*

[01:10:50]

squish102:

yes

[01:10:55]

directhex:

mchou, i'm not a fucking fanboy you shitfucking retard

[01:11:09]

mchou:

directhex|bsp: you could have fooled me

[01:11:12]

black_Nightmare_:

fan blowing onto flat finned heatsink verus pulling the air upward away from?

[01:11:13]

squish102:

/usr/local/bin/removecommercials: 62: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")

[01:11:20]

squish102:

that is the full error line

[01:11:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: I'm not an SQL expert, but have done a bit on mainframes at work, I may be able to help you figure it out. ;-)

[01:11:28]

directhex:

mchou, and it's "you're". "your" is a possessive pronoun

[01:11:40]

squish102:

i think maybe it is a mysql version error

[01:11:58]

mchou:

directhex|bsp: mchou: directhex|bsp: I'm just pointing out if your AMD comp is running at 65 deg C, there's no wonder you're an Intel fan boy. That's what I'm talking about

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mchou:

directhex|bsp: read it again

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squish102:

J-e-f-f-A, and the reason im onto using something like removecommercials... is that the stupid dlink dsm-320 will not fastfoward

[01:12:48]

mchou:

directhex|bsp: you rage is making you blind apparently

[01:12:50]

directhex:

mchou, that is a NORMAL TEMP FOR THIS CPU

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squish102:

or it will fast forward, and when u press play again, it starts from the begining of the show :(

[01:13:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: Yeah, I had the same problem when I upgraded myth to a new version — the upnp players would not ff/rew the old programs.

[01:13:47]

mchou:

directhex|bsp: lol. 100% load would hardly be normal for any CPU

[01:13:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: Yeah... same thing here... I just told my son to deal with it since I didn't have the time to mess around with it at the time...

[01:14:10]

mchou:

directhex|bsp: unless you have some very poorly behaving programs

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** otwin waits for Godwin's law being applied ;-) **

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squish102:

so now if i can figure out a lossless remove commercials, i dont need the fastfoward

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directhex:

otwin, hitler uses amd!

[01:14:40]

otwin:

ty

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J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: I suspect it might have something to do with the concat though... the chanid is an INT (10), and the starttime is a datetime field.

[01:14:47]

mchou:

otwin: yeah, soon directhex|bsp is going to call me a nazi

[01:14:54]

directhex:

no, just stunted

[01:15:18]

directhex:

you seem utterly incapable of accepting facts. ignorance is curable, stupidity is not.

[01:15:29]

mchou:

directhex|bsp: haha!!

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squish102:

J-e-f-f-A ok let me play with it a little more... i grabbed it from the wiki page... im just a hacker and dont really know what im doing

[01:15:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: You probably need the help of a more-experienced SQL person... ;-) But I'll do some digging to see if I can help...

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mchou:

directhex|bsp: I just wiped the floor with your stupidity

[01:16:00]

mzb:

$ sensors | egrep -A1 "C.*Temp"

[01:16:01]

mzb:

Core0 Temp:

[01:16:01]

mzb:

+46°C

[01:16:13]

mzb:

CPU Temperature: +53°C (high = +75°C, crit = +85°C)

[01:16:13]

mzb:

SYS Temperature: +36°C (high = +55°C, crit = +65°C)

[01:16:31]

directhex:

mzb, load or idle? and which cpu?

[01:17:10]

mzb:

$ grep "model name" /proc/cpuinfo

[01:17:10]

mzb:

model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+

[01:17:29]

mzb:

$ cat /proc/loadavg

[01:17:30]

mzb:

0.94 1.94 2.45 1/353 12924

[01:18:12]

mchou:

cat /proc/loadavg: 0.81 0.52 0.46 5/273 24261

[01:18:15]

directhex:

i could ask one of the core2 boxes at work for its temperature, but i'm sure mchou would blame crop circles or the illuminati or somesuch if it didn't paint a pro-amd picture

[01:18:29]

mchou:

Core0 Temp: +17°C

[01:18:43]

mchou:

CPU Temp: +25°C

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squish102:

what do u use to record cpu temps etc?

[01:18:51]

** J-e-f-f-A 's AMD 64 x2 4600 is running at 40C for core0, and 38C for core1... at approx 3pct busy each cpu... (per the sensors command above) **

[01:19:53]

squish102:

lm-sensors?

[01:20:11]

directhex:

lm-sensors attempts to make sense of what a number of kernel modules produce

[01:20:15]

mchou:

mzb_d800: do a 'grep "cpu MHz" /proc/cpuinfo'

[01:20:48]

mzb:

cpu MHz : 2000.000

[01:20:59]

mchou:

mine is "cpu MHz : 1000.000"

[01:21:01]

mzb:

(currently copying GB's of data over network)

[01:21:11]

mchou:

currently in a power saving state

[01:21:20]

mchou:

model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+

[01:21:33]

mzb:

yeah, I'm actually using mine to do something ;)

[01:21:43]

directhex:

lies & hax!

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mzb:

:)

[01:22:09]

black_Nightmare_:

someone just look at this and don't look at me http://news.softpedia.com/news/3DFX-Lives-Sort-of-48968.shtml :p

[01:22:29]

otwin:

my c7 says 999.874 my, dual core says 1200.000...

[01:22:31]

black_Nightmare_:

almost just like vintage systems (especially amiga's too)

[01:22:39]

black_Nightmare_:

some people are crazy enough heh

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directhex:

otwin, 1mhz is the same on all cpus! mchou said so!

[01:22:54]

black_Nightmare_:

you even can get usb working in your amiga 1200 too :p

[01:23:13]

mchou:

mzb_d800: what's the TDP of your proc as stated by AMD?

[01:23:45]

mzb:

you want me to do your work for you?

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mchou:

my proc TDP is 51 W

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Hehe... I have an Amiga 1200 and a 4000 Toaster/Flyer system still ;-)

[01:25:01]

mchou:

mzb_d800: no, differnt AMD cores have differnt TDP is all

[01:25:06]

otwin:

directhex: well in theory he's right, but 1mhz says nothing about real life performance

[01:25:16]

mchou:

mzb_d800: I don't know which core you have

[01:25:52]

mzb:

http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUResul . . . f9=2000&

[01:26:10]

mzb:

I think it's E3

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directhex:

otwin, nah, different CPUs can do X amounts of work in 1MHz. core2 does 4 FLOPs/cycle, all AMD64 chips bar the latest quad cores do 2. c7 manages 1, if memory serves

[01:27:14]

mchou:

mzb_d800: what's that. a TDP of 67W?

[01:27:16]

mzb:

probably this one: http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=117

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mzb:

Room Temp: 25 C

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black_Nightmare_:

well jeffa..just curious but did you actually said you used to have a voodoo3 3500TV?

[01:28:19]

mzb:

(which I'm not inclined to believe;)

[01:28:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: I think I still have it... I gave it to a friend a few years ago, and he gave it back to me when he upgraded his pc. (looking...)

[01:29:13]

black_Nightmare_:

ah heh well the 3500TV was one of the few cards I was considering getting to try out for toward the permament system

[01:29:59]

black_Nightmare_:

(many of my win games here can be glide enabled so well yeah that might be fun if it did happen but doesn't really matter :p)

[01:32:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Yep, here it is... original box and all (checking contents now...)

[01:32:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: ooh! 16MB ram!

[01:32:33]

black_Nightmare_:

original box? damn

[01:32:40]

black_Nightmare_:

you mind if I ask what country you're in?

[01:32:41]

black_Nightmare_:

:p

[01:32:44]

** black_Nightmare_ hehes **

[01:33:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: The US... near Boston

[01:33:27]

black_Nightmare_:

boston?

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otwin:

some say that's almost europe

[01:33:59]

black_Nightmare_:

I'm just a few hours northwest of you :)

[01:34:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: yep, Marlborough. ;-)

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black_Nightmare_:

heh well I don't know about you but if you're actually not having a use for the card...well...get a slight larger cardboard box and stuff it with wadded scrap paper or peanut foam filling then ship that to here

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** black_Nightmare_ laughs **

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: I liked this card, but the TV functions stunk compared to the ATI cards... I was very dissapointed with it in that respect.

[01:35:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Ooh! It supports AGP 2x !!!

[01:35:54]

directhex:

that's the major issue with 3dfx cards

[01:35:59]

directhex:

they ONLY support agp 1x/2x

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directhex:

they cannot go in a 4x/8x slot

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... Do you go near Boston at all in your travels? I actually work in Burlington, MA...

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black_Nightmare_:

hm nope..don't cross border much at all

[01:38:29]

black_Nightmare_:

btw here's one interesting really-rare photo related to 3dfx http://tweakers.net/ext/f/f962aba721d18cf6b98 . . . b4b/full.jpg :)

[01:38:40]

black_Nightmare_:

and yes all these grid chips are vram

[01:38:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Well, if you seriously want it, I'll send it to you if you cover the shipping... I should be able to find an appropriately sized box to put it in (and some popcorn) to ship it...

[01:39:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: ooh, banshee... I remember those cards — built into that MB I take it... ;-)

[01:39:58]

black_Nightmare_:

hm...one quick question..would you take us-made money order?

[01:40:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Sure... or Paypal...

[01:40:52]

black_Nightmare_:

ok...how often you show up in here? ;)

[01:41:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Fairly often... 3 or 4 times a week, evenings usualy. Or you can pm me... I'll msg you now...

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Are you here in the US or over-the-border in Canada?

[01:44:59]

black_Nightmare_:

hm you not getting my pms then?

[01:45:02]

black_Nightmare_:

blah

[01:45:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

no, you've got to register your nick with a password to use the PM feature...

[01:45:22]

black_Nightmare_:

I'm in canada but that shouldn't be too much $ to get it past border as long as its stamped right

[01:45:52]

black_Nightmare_:

hm well as I was saying..I've noted your email address .. might give you my postal code (thats what its named up here..same thing really ;) ) in email ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: I'd have no problem marking it as a 'gift'... that's basically what it would be... ;-)

[01:46:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: That will work... ;-)

[01:46:14]

black_Nightmare_:

yeah I got my last usa box just like that.. didn't have to pay any $$ to custom that way :-P

[01:46:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: There was a 'mainframe' Tandem computer system on sale on eBay up near Montreal... I almost bought it... ;-)

[01:47:03]

otwin:

while i'm here – what mplayer, ffmpeg or any other command / flag combo would give me just the bitrate of an mpeg (without acutally playing the file)?

[01:47:20]

black_Nightmare_:

mainframe? heh damn :)

[01:47:42]

black_Nightmare_:

montreal is like about 1.5–2hr (roughly) straight drive from here

[01:47:51]

black_Nightmare_:

my grandmother lives there anyhow

[01:47:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

otwin: I don't know if it helps, but there's a command to tell mplayer to just play 1 second of a video, and IIRC, it displays resolution, etc when it starts playing ...

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J-e-f-f-A:

otwin: I think you could do the same thing by starting it playing with mplayer, then hitting ctrl-c quickly...

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: I have been working on Tandem NonStop Fault-tolerant computers for about 20 years now. They're the most reliable computers in the world... 99.99999 planned uptime.

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otwin:

J-e-f-f-A: well, i want to do it remotely and want to do it on multiple files – just thought there would may be a simple command for that

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black_Nightmare_:

jeffa...ah hmm nice

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black_Nightmare_:

jeffa...nice that you said 99.9999 which is probably a lot more true than 100 ;)

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black_Nightmare_:

when you think about it you can't have a PURE water (eg just only H2O molecules in it) but you can try get 99.999 tho

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: On the downside, it's a proprietary system, ie – it don't run windows or Unix — it runs the Guardian NonStop OS, but that's why I get paid the big bucks... Just left a company after 16 years with them, and am making a little more a the new place. ;-)

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otwin:

that reminds me of 99,9 % of uptime guarantee of webhosters, which is a lot of pontential downtime in a year

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Well, it used to be 5–9's reliability, but with the new hardware they've pushed it to 7–9's availability...

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black_Nightmare_:

jeffa :)

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black_Nightmare_:

ah ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

otwin: Yeah, but most web hosting sites are using clusters of windows or Unix or Linux.

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J-e-f-f-A:

otwin: The Tandem is kinda like a clustered machine, with 16 'logical' cpus, (actually 2 physical cpus running in lockstep per logical cpu), and seperate memory per cpu, multiple paths for EVERYTHING, etc.

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J-e-f-f-A:

otwin: Originally it was at least two paths to each device, hence the name Tandem.

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J-e-f-f-A:

otwin: The newest generation is one huge high-bandwidth network, so it's theoretically infinite paths now...

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black_Nightmare_:

jeffa you want know a little tidbit related to the 3500TV card? ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: sure...

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mzb:

otwin: how about: mplayer -vo null -ao null -endpos 1 video.mpeg

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J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: otwin There ya go... I think that works... and you can pipe it to a file if you want, and/or grep what you want out of it...

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otwin:

J-e-f-f-A: oh, i have no doubt that is really reliable

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otwin:

mzb: ty, will try

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black_Nightmare_:

the prototype was originally just like a breakout cable with the dvi-looking connector at one end and vga & multiply rca at other end ... not like the production 'pod' you have with the boxed 3500TV cards

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DustyBin:

28 programs, using 46 GB (1 day 4 hrs 59 mins) out of 186 GB (141 GB free)

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J-e-f-f-A:

otwin: Yep. Like I said, I've worked with them for nearly 20 years now, and have only seen a system go down to the point where it caused an outage (ie needed to be re-booted) maybe 4 or 5 times.

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J-e-f-f-A:

DustyBin: Yes?

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DustyBin:

J-e-f-f-A: could you change your annoying nickname, its hard on the eyes

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J-e-f-f-A:

DustyBin: Nah, I've been using it for a couple of years... Tab-completion works fine too... ;-)

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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** J-e-f-f-A sorry... about 1 in 1000 people complain about it... **

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** DustyBin mumbles to himself 'bastard' **

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otwin:

J-e-f-f-A: where are such systems used?

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black_Nightmare_:

heh

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otwin:

J-e-f-f-A: i mean what services are they running?

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J-e-f-f-A:

otwin: Mostly banking and stock exchanges nowaday. AOL had (perhaps still does) the largest Tandem system in the world — thousands of systems clustered together. It handle(d) the logins and email headers. They're converting to Unix systems now I think...

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J-e-f-f-A:

otwin: And there's a pretty good chance they run the ATM machine you get your cash from...

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J-e-f-f-A:

otwin: Verizon uses them, and as far as I know, the 411 (information) phone system still uses them...

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J-e-f-f-A:

otwin: Not to mention many of the 911 centers in the US.

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otwin:

the atm's here are running windows (well the 'frontends') – people have seen them crashing...

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black_Nightmare_:

haha otwin..I've seen some sites with photos of windows BSOD in public places

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J-e-f-f-A:

otwin: Yeah, I'm talking about the backend system that they're communicating with.

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black_Nightmare_:

even an entire 4-screen airplane display being all blue too :p

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black_Nightmare_:

like what the hell are they trying to use "windows" for then :)

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** J-e-f-f-A windows sux. ;-) Linux Rules! ;-) **

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** J-e-f-f-A also loves AmigaOS. ;-) **

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otwin:

i am just glad i don't work in a place were a minute downtime costs millions

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mchou:

oh, what I hate most are those self checkout stands that use windows

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mchou:

they're always freaking broken

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J-e-f-f-A:

otwin: Yeah, well that's the place I used to work at... Very stressful that anything mistake you make could cost a client millions...

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black_Nightmare_:

hehe mchou :P

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mchou:

especially at the local market that I go to

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J-e-f-f-A:

otwin: The machines were up 99.99pct of the time, but if we screwed up the software, or stopped a process we shouldn't, or a coding error, etc. Too much stress...

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J-e-f-f-A:

otwin: My new job is with a company that does not do any production hosting, so the stress is down about 95pct...

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mchou:

I dont know what systm Home depot uses for their check out stands, but they are way more reliable than the local grocers

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mchou:

system*

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yes, HD is another big Tandem user. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Their datacenter is in Houston.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Radio Shack uses a Tandem for their credit card processing.

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otwin:

J-e-f-f-A: if I accidentially restart my samba/ldap only students/teachers are getting frustrated ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

And the canadians may know of Future/Active Electronics — their inventory system is Tandem. (That's how I got my first Tandem job...)

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black_Nightmare_:

active electronics? there's one store in ottawa :p

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mchou:

speaking of which I still find it shocking that Jim Gray disappeared off the face of the earth

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: wikipedia says he was lost at sea on 1/28/2007...

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: Jim Gray worked at tandem

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Really? Humm... I don't think I've ever had talked to him. (And I've talked to alot of the 'SSG' folks...) What was his role?

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mchou:

lol

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black_Nightmare_:

jeffa..just curious about it but whats your oldest working pc? ;)

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mchou:

you dont know Jim Gray you don't know computer science :)

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: he was one of the greats

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clever:

black_Nightmare_: my older systems are a c64 and a vic10

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clever:

vid20*

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clever:

damn i cant type on this keyboard:P

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Umm... At the moment that would either be my Linux-running X-Box, or the 1.something GHz PIII that's sitting idle in my bedroom as I haven't udated the frontend svn to match my backend svn for the last couple of months...

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black_Nightmare_:

ah ok ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Actually, that's my oldest PC machine.

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black_Nightmare_:

clever...and what about like something intel/amd powered? :p

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clever:

the 50mhz toshiba laptops are x86 based

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clever:

486dx

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: My oldest computer? How about a TS-1000??? Or the 80x51 that I built in my senior year of high school, 1986.

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black_Nightmare_:

jeffa...heh...don't look at me but all things I have are sub-ghz powered even for the tv *rolls eyes* hehehe

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black_Nightmare_:

clever...heh...do you ever still turn these on :P

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clever:

black_Nightmare_: why yes:P

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clever:

i recently booted linux on the color 50mhz toshiba

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mchou:

anyone happen to be using KDE?

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: I've also got my original Amiga 500, and a A1200 and A4000 toaster/flyer.

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clever:

one of the b&w toshiba's is in peices in a box and soaked in pop

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black_Nightmare_:

clever....damn...you are *one* retro vintage person ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yes, I am. on Fedora 6.

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clever:

my newest pc isnt even a week old:P

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black_Nightmare_:

50mhz 486 hehehe

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clever:

intel core2 duo

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clever:

1.8ghz each

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: do me a favor......

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black_Nightmare_:

well...here are the mhz's I have now for the note...

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mzb:

oldest ... hmm

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mchou:

start a konsole session....from there run kcontrol

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yes? ;-) (type faster!)

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mzb:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=10

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mzb:

or

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mchou:

then click on "Sound & Multimedia"->"Audio CD"

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yep, pops up the KDE Control Center.

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clever:

as for low ram x86 systems

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mzb:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . Id=1865&

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clever:

there would be the toshiba and cf25's

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clever:

which are <30msb each

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: do you have flac as an option tab?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I don't have an "Audio CD" selection under "Sound & Media"

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clever:

i think the toshiba has 20mb WITH the expansion ram

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: lol

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: no cd drive on this system?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Just "Sound System", "System Bell", "System Notifications"

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mchou:

sigh.....

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I've got two DVD burners... one on the IDE bus, one in a 200-disc changer via firewire...

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: that's weird

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: how mcuh was the 200disk changer?

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mchou:

you didnt install kdemultimedia pkg maybe?

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otwin:

mzb: again thanks – works fine and gives me all i need

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Do I have to be root to see them?

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: nope

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Strange... Let me pop in a CD and see if all is well with them...

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: check to see if you installed kdemultimedia pkg first

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black_Nightmare_:

hitachi SH-4 200mhz, motorola G3 266mhz, intel celeron 300A (soon to become 400/433 instead, keeping 300A shelved as spare), motorola 68030 25mhz (rather somewhat disused now..been sitting on shelf these days as far as I can recall it), ricoh 5A22 21.5mhz, looking for something powered by a nec vr4300 at 93.75mhz

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mchou:

I think you need to install that for that option to show up

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black_Nightmare_:

now no laughing and I'm sure someone can figure out where these hitachi, nec, and ricoh processors come from ;)

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clever:

black_Nightmare_: my cf25 laptop had a ricoh cardbus slot

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black_Nightmare_:

oh I almost missed...I have a motorola powerpc 603e 100mhz as well

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black_Nightmare_:

clever... ricoh cardbus != ricoh processor

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Umm... I think it was $199 from fleabay... It's the Sony VGP-XL1B

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: nice

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black_Nightmare_:

clever .. look it up...this 5A22 was used in a game console ;)

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: you dont rip CDs?

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I haven't used it for much other than 'playing'...

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: ive seen one that had i think 3–4 drives and optical disks(mod i think)

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black_Nightmare_:

so I guess everyone can see what I meant by being sub-ghz all the way here :p

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black_Nightmare_:

even adding all them up would still be less than a ghz too :))

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Not really that often... only to put stuff on my ipod video. I got it thinking "jeepers, it's gonna take a lot of dvds to back up 2TB!"

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

not if you use flac

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black_Nightmare_:

do I have to hint on the game consoles or what anyone? ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: This has one drive, but space for a 2nd drive. But I don't think the firmware will support a 2nd drive – it needs to be updated.

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: ah

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: the one i saw was for storing xray images in a hospital

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: was about 1footx1footx5feet roughtly

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: These are fairly easy to come by... You can find them on ebay pretty easily. You can control the loader with mtx

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: this one is about 10" high by 24" square. It's a monster for sure...

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clever:

the one i saw took up a whole corner of the room

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clever:

you could allmost stuff 2 bodies in it if you gutted it

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: It was originally only sold bundled with Sony's Media Center PC, and wasn't available seperately.

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black_Nightmare_:

blah guess I'll post anyway: dreamcast, snes, n64

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black_Nightmare_:

;)

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clever:

ah

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: hehe. We had a huge optical jukebox at my old company... it held something like 400 WORM disks... I think they were 400MB each, write-once, read many. It was the size of an average refrigerator.

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clever:

lol

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clever:

yeah thats about the size im thinking of

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: My first PC with a HD was a TI99/4a... 10MB woo-hoo!

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clever:

i dont remember the write count or size of the disks though

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clever:

it also had a slot in the top to load more disks

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: This one had a slot in the front — you could load or unload the box one disc at a time...

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black_Nightmare_:

jeffa... 433mhz + 3500TV graphic + 256mb (or if IIcw can get through to me it could be 512mb instead heh) of sdram + smallest new oem hd = one crazy configuration for me to have fun with? :p

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** black_Nightmare_ chuckles **

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clever:

the disks from this one where inside cartridges like floppy disks

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: hehe. What are you going to do, make a killer arcade system running Mame out of it? ;-)

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tjbaudio:

good evning all

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black_Nightmare_:

jeffa....heh nah just typical everyday things as usual (aside to the games which the G3 does not even run windows to run these at all anyway) ;)

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black_Nightmare_:

going from 300 to 433 should help with some of the 'newer' games I've been having for a while

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tjbaudio:

interesting chat on old computers

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** J-e-f-f-A still has about $100 worth of joysticks, buttons & trac balls he bought to build a mame cabinet with... sitting in a box for a year or two now... **

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black_Nightmare_:

jeffa...and for a little humor note..

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J-e-f-f-A:

brb...

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black_Nightmare_:

the psu is 'SolarPower 250W ATX2.01' .. its not ever powered by solar at all (oh the humor) :p

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: ive got a bunch of random parts for remote control cars

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clever:

hook up an avr and it should be able to move itself

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black_Nightmare_:

for its age its surprisely got a quite strong 12V railing rating

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: hehe. ;-) I had a programable '4x4' truck when I was young... My parents couldn't afford the 'real deal' (forget the name now — it was the tank one), so they got me that one instead. ie: forward 4, left 2, forward 1, right 3, etc... ;-)

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clever:

.

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Put it out in the sunlight and see if the power increases any... ;-)

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black_Nightmare_:

rofl no thanks :p

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: heard of capsela?

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black_Nightmare_:

but well anyway hopefully see you another time or in email ok jeffa?

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: No... What is it?

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clever:

(might not be spelling it right0

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black_Nightmare_:

me going off..going to bed soon

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black_Nightmare_:

bye now :)

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: its like lego or knex

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J-e-f-f-A:

black_Nightmare_: Yeah-- see ya. ;-) Blast me an email.

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: one of the hits i have has a programable module in the middle

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: 2 motors 2 lights and a light and presure sensor

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clever:

nearly all the connections are basicaly headphone plugs

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Cool. I got into microcontrollers a few years ago, starting with the Basic Stamp. I haven't done anything with the Lego Mindstorm stuff – always seemed too expensive imho.

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clever:

http://www.hoogbegaafdvlaanderen.be/06_HB_op_ . . . /capsela.jpg

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clever:

thats made with one of the kits that cant be programed

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Oh yeah. I've actually got one of those things... My son & I picked it up at a 2nd-hand store for like $2... One of the motor modules has a broken gear though...

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clever:

ah

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clever:

the normal motor modules have a connection on either side

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clever:

the programable ones have a headphone plug

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, that's what this kit had. The 'brain' has connections for two motors and two lights/leds.

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clever:

and a bumper with a switch so it could turn arround when hitting things

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clever:

and a light sensor

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tjbaudio:

my grandparents had capsella

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J-e-f-f-A:

(no headphone plug, just mini-banana type plugs) The packaging looked pretty old.

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clever:

cant find any pics of it online

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tjbaudio:

mini banana with moters and switches

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tjbaudio:

no "brain"

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clever:

ah

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J-e-f-f-A:

This one has a somewhat large programmable unit, that you could program a sequence... left, right, siren and light... (that's right, there's a speaker and an LED light)... I don't think it's as smart as yours (with the bump switch)

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J-e-f-f-A:

and it has two battery rails... 2xAA in each...

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clever:

this one had 2 sets of baterys inside

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clever:

a pair of AA to power the brain and then a large pile of AA's to feed the motors

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Sounds like the one I have is somewhere in-between the one tjbaudio has and you have... ;-) Given the fact that it's got an LED, it's at least from the mid-to-late 80's

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clever:

lol:)

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clever:

it had an lcd screen also:P

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Not mine...

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clever:

.

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Yours must be from the 90's...

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tjbaudio:

wow, I had incandesent lights:(

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clever:

i can find it somewhere

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clever:

still own it:P

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J-e-f-f-A:

when I was young, I had erector sets, with NO motors!

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clever:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: PS: I installed kdemultimedia and now have an "Audio CDs" entry... but no flac. Just MP3 Encoder and Ogg Vorbis

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J-e-f-f-A:

... and Tinker Toys.

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J-e-f-f-A:

... and Legos.

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clever:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25202018@N00/82648392 is programable but not the one i had

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, that's it... the blue one on the left.

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clever:

http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/32268 . . . 648773863785

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clever:

whoa

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clever:

whats that:P?S

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J-e-f-f-A:

The kit is missing the some of the tracks, and one of the motor's gears is broken...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Wow... I was spot on with the date... 1987!!! ;-) Good guess, eh?

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clever:

i was born in 87:P

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I graduated high school a year before you were born... ;-) I was born in 1968

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clever:

lol:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

<darth vader voice> "Clever, I could be your father!" </darth vader voice>

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clever:

my dad lives in the same house as me:P

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clever:

and often when i answer the phone while he is out they think its him:P

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I meant in a funny way, like I'm old enough to be your father... ;-)

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clever:

yeah

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tjbaudio:

um born 75 here

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clever:

my parrents where in 59/60 i beleive

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J-e-f-f-A:

My mom was 1948, and I think my dad was 1946.

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J-e-f-f-A:

humm.... to do an SVN UP or to not do an SVN UP... That is the question... ;-)

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clever:

i do it every week or 2

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J-e-f-f-A:

I haven't in a while... I'm running 14698 at the moment... ;-)

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JDStone:

what does this error mean? HTTPRequest::ParseRequest – Timeout reading first line of request.

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: i ran 14799 for a month or 2 because of buts 14800 caused

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: ok, do you mind running kcontrol from Konsole? I want to see the error messages

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: the ffmpeg sync causes framegrabber bitrates to double

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: i think it also affects transcoding

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: up 57 days, 3 min ... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: sure... I can do that...

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JDStone:

that's from the mythbackend log

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: basically click on Soult & Multimedia->AudioCD

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mchou:

Sound*

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mchou:

and you should see an error message in konsole

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GreyFoxx:

clever: 14799 was 1 month ago..... so it couldn't have been 2 months :)

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clever:

i was guessing:P

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clever:

also my ccache stats are broken

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clever:

wont go up when i compile

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clever:

(ccache folder on nfs)

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: if the error message is only 2 lines or so you can just paste it here

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: No error in the konsole window...

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: can you do "rpm -ql kdemultimedia | grep flac"

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: yep, comes back with : /usr/lib/kde3/libaudiocd_encoder_flac.la and .so

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mchou:

anyway, on the kdemultimedia package

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: ok. Can you do a "readelf -a /usr/lib/kde3/libaudiocd_encoder_flac.so" and put it in pastebin?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Sure...

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: actually, readelf -s (if -a is too long)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: http://pastebin.ca/816955

[03:02:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Well, it's there already... ;-)

[03:02:37]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: OK, really appreciate this

[03:03:15]

clever:

are there any 'pcie mini' encoder cards?

[03:03:28]

mchou:

damn, knock me over with a feather

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: eh?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: What'd you find? ;-)

[03:03:47]

clever:

my new laptop has an empty 'mini pcie' slot

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clever:

wondering what i may be able to shove into it

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: fedora compiled correctly. My distro doesnt

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Oh... Yeah, I'm sure there are... The Winblows Media Center laptops have them... I don't know if they're Linux-compatible though.. you'd have to check that out...

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: and currently i cant even get linux on that pc

[03:04:54]

clever:

ubuntu livecd cant find itself

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clever:

old linux install in a usb enclosure cant find the roofs(mass storage is built into kernel)

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: well, I know it's not a problem with KDE

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mchou:

now

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Ah. ;-) Well, most of my packages are pre-compiled. I'm still somwhat of a n00b to Linux... I've been dabbling with it for a 2–3 years now, but am still learning lots... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: cool. I'm glad I could help ya in that respect...

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Linux has definitely helped me out a bit though.... I actually installed Solaris 10 on a recycled Sun Enterprise 6500 box a couple of weeks ago. it was simple, once I learned the different device naming conventions for the disk drives...

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clever:

cant install linux to the internal drive becuse its dads work pc

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clever:

and the usb and cd based boots both fail to find a rootfs

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Find a PCMCIA hard disk and install Linux on there... ;-)

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clever:

and its internal sata so i cant shove my old laptop drives in the side

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: (or a Microdisk with a PCMCIA adapter)

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clever:

and the pcmcia slot is only 1 height so i cant fit fat cards in

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Microdisk is single-height. I think you can get them up to 6GB now... maybe more... ;-)

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clever:

ah nice

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clever:

then its just a matter of cost and will the bios boot it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Yep. It probably will.. Heck, it would probably boot off a properly-formatted USB stick. (If it's got sata after all), even an external usb drive. It'd be emulating a standard ide controller iirc...

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clever:

it boots grub off a old drive in a usb enclosure

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clever:

and the kernel loads up and fails at the rootfs

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clever:

the backup system is a 1g usb stick and a 80gig drive for the cdbay

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clever:

it probly just clones the whole damn disk

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clever:

its also got built in card reader(magnetic and digital)

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: So you just need a proper kenel...

[03:13:15]

clever:

i edited the kernel on the usb to have usb and mass storage built in and it still didnt work

[03:13:29]

clever:

uuid=.... uuid="..." and /dev/sda6 all wont mount

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Hey, I've got to run to the movie theatre and pick up my son who just got off work (and is 3yrs younger than you!)... I'll touch base with you later.... ;-)

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clever:

and no initrd means i cant prod arround without a root

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squish102:

now that i have a user defined job set up, is there an easy update to get all my recordings to queue up this new job

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iamlindoro:

not really, just sorta gotta run it on all of them

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iamlindoro:

one at a time

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iamlindoro:

Mythweb is probably the fastest way to do that

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iamlindoro:

(presuming you are running SVN)

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squish102:

ouch, i have about 30–40 recordings... ok i'll look in mythweb

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squish102:

not svn

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iamlindoro:

Click on recording's thumbnail, click green link on the right side that names your job

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iamlindoro:

May be possible in .20.2, but I dunno because I've never run it

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squish102:

thanks, i'm looking now... does svn have a new mythweb?

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iamlindoro:

Well, it has Flash streaming and a few other things... again, since I've not run .20.2, I'm not sure how many of the newer features I'm used to made it in to it

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clever:

squish102: ive got 200+ recordings and started to transcode them to a lower quality

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clever:

squish102: and it is a bit painfull to repeat the same thing on each and every recording

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clever:

but i did it thru the frontend

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clever:

left up up enter up enter i beleive:P

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clever:

but if you hit up up early(before the new menu opens) you wind up changing the recording

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clever:

bit of a bug in the ui from trying to act faster then the pc can handle

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squish102:

lol clever

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squish102:

i know i have seen a sql statement to do it, i just cannot find it atm

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squish102:

the mighty google is failing me

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clever:

look at the jobqueue table

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clever:

and the recorded table

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clever:

you may be able to make a query to copy every starttime+chanid over and setup the jobqueue args to match

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clever:

but that would run it on EVERY recording enless you add a where clause

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squish102:

i kinda need every recording, i think i got it in the wiki

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squish102:

UPDATE record SET autotranscode = 0, autocommflag = 0, autouserjob1 = 1,

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squish102:

autouserjob2 = 0, autouserjob3 = 0, autouserjob4 =0 WHERE autocommflag = 1;

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clever:

no idea what that would do

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clever:

feels like it may change the recording rules but i dont think it would afffect the current recordings

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squish102:

u right :(

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squish102:

that is not the one

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clever:

its also another big job to update all rules

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clever:

so its done automaticaly to all future recordings

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iamlindoro:

That's for sure

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iamlindoro:

Show lengths are shrinking. It's embarrassing... what used to ALWAYS be 22 and 44 minute shows without commercials are 18–20 and 36–40 minutes long now. Guess it's good news for my huge 720p encodes, but still...

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clever:

having trouble getting anything linux to boot in this new system

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k-man:

is it safe to walk onto the square where i killed a cockatrice?

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Mixx:

y

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k-man:

thanks

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Mixx:

np

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k-man:

oh, there is a cockatrice corpse there

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Mixx:

no?

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k-man:

can i pick up the other items there safely?

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iamlindoro:

What the... did it just become #finalfantasy-users here?

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iamlindoro:

hehe

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

hehe

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k-man:

crap

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Mixx:

i thought it was The Witcher

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k-man:

wrong channel

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k-man:

duh

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k-man:

just ignore me

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Mixx:

what game?

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k-man:

nethack

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DarkFoxDK:

soo what i the best myth distro? (like mythbuntu knoppmyth etc.)... tried mythbuntu... which was... "meh"

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** purserj uses stock gentoo ebuilds **

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iamlindoro:

As always, there are as many answers to that question as there are users

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DarkFoxDK:

of course :)

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iamlindoro:

So perhaps you might be more specific about what you want out of it? For ease of use/setup, it really doesn't get any simpler than the myth distros, but outside of that....?

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DarkFoxDK:

well, i do enjoy the restricted drivers thing in ubuntu/mythbuntu

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squish102:

ive done a FC6 + mythtv, mythdora and mythbuntu... currently running mythbuntu

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maelstrom:

Hi all, I just installed MythDora and I am getting errors that a backend cannot be found (and when I select "Watch TV" i am told that all available inputs are being used for the channel I have selected, even though there are no recordings scheduled or anything else, it's a totally fresh install). can anyone help me, I am quite lost...

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DarkFoxDK:

sounds like it can't communicate with the tuner card

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maelstrom:

it appeared to detect my tuner, a hauppauge pvr-150, automatically

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oobe:

did you change your hostname

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iamlindoro:

maelstrom, did you set your card up properly as Mpeg-2 encoder type, NOT as a v4l2 card?

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oobe:

sounds like it the back end cant connect to to tuner

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iamlindoro:

(although not having used mythdora, perhaps it makes that idiot-proof)

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maelstrom:

no, I did not change the hostname

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oobe:

check http://localhost/mythweb/status

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oobe:

it should look like this "Encoder 1 is local on poo and is not recording."

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Mooooooo:

is there a way to determine what ./configure options were used to compile mythtv? i would like to know how the rpm was built but don't have the spec file

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iamlindoro:

mythbackend --version should give you most of what it was compiled for

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maelstrom:

I am pretty sure that it came in as a mpeg-2 encoder although i can't find that part of the menu anymore....

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Mooooooo:

cool, thank you

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iamlindoro:

mythtv-setup, option 2 maelstrom

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maelstrom:

when I click on that it says "Loading, please wait", then just returns to the config setup menu

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iamlindoro:

Well, I dunno about any of the menus of mythdora, run mythtv-setup from a terminal

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maelstrom:

well, typing mythtv-setup says "warning, backend is running"

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iamlindoro:

you can stop your backend first, but it shouldn't be necessary just to look at what your card type is set as

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maelstrom:

it is indeed set as mpeg-2

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iamlindoro:

ok, good

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iamlindoro:

option 4 now

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iamlindoro:

is your listings source attached to the correct input?

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maelstrom:

they all say -> (None)

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iamlindoro:

That's probably your problem

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iamlindoro:

you have a listings source set up? (option 3)

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maelstrom:

no

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iamlindoro:

Where are you?

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iamlindoro:

geographically

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maelstrom:

atlanta, ga, usa

[04:29:12]

iamlindoro:

Have you set up a schedulesdirect account?

[04:29:16]

maelstrom:

no

[04:29:41]

iamlindoro:

Well, need to do that

[04:29:51]

iamlindoro:

go to www.schedulesdirect.org, set up an account.

[04:30:07]

maelstrom:

isn't it more important that i actually can connect to the tuner before i set up listings?

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iamlindoro:

Use that info to set up a listings source in option 3, attach that listings source to the correct input in option 4.

[04:30:44]

iamlindoro:

Tuner has no idea what input to open until you put some channels on it

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maelstrom:

this is $20 per year?

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iamlindoro:

I mean, if you're using coax you can do a channel scan and probably make it work without it temporarily, but better to set it up properly the first time

[04:31:44]

iamlindoro:

yes, but you get 2 weeks free

[04:31:51]

iamlindoro:

so just sign up and don't commit until you have it working

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iamlindoro:

you don't pay until you're ready, there are no costs/credit card/etc involved in the first two weeks

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iamlindoro:

Just name and e-mail... if you don't go back and manually pay in two weeks, the account just expires

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drgeb:

Failed to run 'cdrecord --scanbus' what does this mean ?

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clever:

it failed to run that:P

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drgeb:

I see this in my mythfrontend.log

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clever:

its only a problem if your trying to burn cd's from the frontend

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drgeb:

how can I fix this ?

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clever:

my dvd burner is tricky to use as it is

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clever:

ive never tryed to use it from mythtv itself

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drgeb:

:)

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clever:

k3b used to work but that made 6 coasters in a row last week

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clever:

and the new laptop has a dvd burner so i dont realy need to fix it

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maelstrom:

neato, I think it's starting to work

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maelstrom:

password really needs to be obfuscated though

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iamlindoro:

now, before you make the changes in mythtv-setup, you'll probably want to stop your backend, and restart it afterward

[04:39:00]

clever:

maelstrom: i just use a uniq pass for the listings grabber

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clever:

if it was stolen you cant attack much

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maelstrom:

why is it only scanning channels 2–13 & 69 though ?

[04:41:19]

iamlindoro:

You probably set to the wrong modulation or cable type

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iamlindoro:

What is your TV source

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maelstrom:

wait, i didn't set a lineup on the web site

[04:41:57]

iamlindoro:

Yes, need to do that

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iamlindoro:

you stopped your backend, right, btw?

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maelstrom:

the website is coming up with an error ... but how do you stop the backend ?

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iamlindoro:

can't remember in fedora, it's been too long since I used it. Debian uses init scripts

[04:44:15]

clever:

redhat uses init scripts

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clever:

fedora is based on redhat

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clever:

ubuntu though(newer versions) i havent fully figured out yet

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clever:

it appears to use init scripts but lacks a inittab...

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iamlindoro:

Argh, I think I'm lagging...

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iamlindoro:

it's /sbin/service mythbackend stop

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iamlindoro:

apparently

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iamlindoro:

possibly with an sudo

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clever:

the service prog is on redhat

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clever:

and basicaly all your command does is run /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop

[04:45:39]

clever:

posibly /etc/rc.d/init.d/

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clever:

i got lost on ubuntu when the service cmd was missing so i read the source of it on redhat and manualy did its job:P

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iamlindoro:

simple enough on ubuntu, just /etc/init.d/servicename stop

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

same on redhat9

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clever:

linuxfromscratch is /etc/rc.d/init.d/

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iamlindoro:

well anyway, maelstrom, I presume you've got it stopped now?

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clever:

wait

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clever:

(on redhat9) lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Dec 11 2004 /etc/init.d -> rc.d/init.d

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clever:

symlink to make it more like others:P

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maelstrom:

i've actually got it up and running now except since the listings server is down i can only access chans 1–13

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maelstrom:

er 2–13

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iamlindoro:

Well... you're welcome then

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iamlindoro:

;)

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maelstrom:

also i don't seem to have sound... =/

[04:55:26]

iamlindoro:

Ah the myth all-in-one distros... where it "just works." :)

[04:55:51]

iamlindoro:

anyway, first thing to do there is figure out if you have sound outsideof myth

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iamlindoro:

if you do, then the problem's inside... if not... well, then you've got bigger issues

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maelstrom:

kde's control panel test sound works

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iamlindoro:

Test sound in an actual app, like xmms

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iamlindoro:

or mplayer

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maelstrom:

yep, works

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iamlindoro:

If it works there, then start tweaking sound settings a few pages in on the general setup of mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->General

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iamlindoro:

A few pages in there's an audio page

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iamlindoro:

Should be able to try a few different devices by toggling through them with left and right, as well as the default alsa device... ALSA:Default usually works fine

[04:59:43]

iamlindoro:

and, I think, is the default setting

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iamlindoro:

You may also want to play with the AC3/DTS passthrough settings... they can cause silence if set wrong too

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maelstrom:

oh, it is automagically working now. pretty sweet. thanks for getting me this far

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iamlindoro:

np

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: hey, which version of KDE are you using?

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metalac:

all of a sudden i started seeing some strange artifacts when watching liveTV

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metalac:

kind of like scrambles

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metalac:

doesn't matter if it's HD or SD

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mchou:

metalac: same here

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metalac:

it happens every 30 seconds or so

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mchou:

nah, mine only happens in the beginning

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metalac:

oh is it something with some new updated that happened?

[05:07:04]

metalac:

well mine is completely random

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mchou:

make sure it's not a bad connection 1st

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metalac:

sometimes i see 2 in like 10 seconds and sometimes i don't see any for a few minutes

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metalac:

well it's back/front all in one

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mchou:

dude, a cable/antenna connection

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mchou:

not talking about your tcp nectork

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mchou:

network*

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metalac:

it's over firewire

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mchou:

lord, are you daft??

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metalac:

maybe i should check how the cable box behaves

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metalac:

it's definitely not the antena, since cable box works fine

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clever:

my myth looks like youtube!

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clever:

but thats because i turned the bitrate way down in the setup

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metalac:

why would you do that?

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clever:

low on disk space

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clever:

and i bearly notice the quality when watching it on tv out

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clever:

tvout must be horid quality for me to not notice that

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mchou:

haha

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clever:

im working on cleaning out a 160gig drive

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clever:

which should double my space for myth

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clever:

until i clean out the temp drives im filling up:P

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mchou:

clever: ppl still use 160GB drives for myth?

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clever:

my 160 is currently windows only atm(ntfs)

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clever:

my myth is running on 3 80g's lvm'ed together

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mchou:

lol

[05:18:39]

clever:

150gig to myth

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clever:

50gig to root

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clever:

and some 5gig's to other things

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mchou:

just upgrade to a bigger disk and get the torture over with

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clever:

jobless

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mchou:

3x80G is ridiculous for myth

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mchou:

beg, borrow, or steal

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clever:

lol

[05:20:14]

clever:

i could sell the tv shows on dvd:P

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mchou:

will install myth for hard disk :)

[05:20:28]

clever:

but who would pay for shows at youtube quality:P

[05:20:31]

clever:

lol

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clever:

ive had the idea before of selling preinstalled myth's with some service fee to maintain it for you

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clever:

no idea if its against the myth license or not

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clever:

and the SD agreement

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iamlindoro:

Meh, it's GPL, you can do it

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Dibblah:

No.

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clever:

id probly need an sd account for each person

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Dibblah:

It's fine.

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iamlindoro:

that you would

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mchou:

the idea is hardly original

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clever:

then id either need to get them setup to pay sd seperately

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clever:

or i pay 500 sd accounts with my income

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mchou:

whether it's a good idea or not is completely different story

[05:22:44]

clever:

yeah

[05:23:33]

clever:

the income would be on the maintaining fee's id think

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mchou:

I'm almost thinking the days of PVR on desktops is about to be over

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clever:

depending on if i get the hardware for them and include it in the initial price

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mchou:

pvr appliances would be much cheaper

[05:24:54]

clever:

using hardware the client provides would complicate it

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clever:

since id probly need to manualy do the whole install

[05:25:12]

clever:

with my own i can just make an image of the install and duplicate the hdd

[05:26:03]

clever:

also my mythbackend is still unstable

[05:26:12]

clever:

Cpu(s): 55.8% us, 38.7% sy, 0.4% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.1% hi, 5.0% si

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clever:

its eating all remaining cpu power as system

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clever:

when not recording its nearly 80–90% system

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clever:

low prio(reniced) jobs never get anything with it in this state

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mchou:

anyone have experience here with Drupal?

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mzb:

clever: system-imager .. just imaging will cause all sorts of (remote) admin problems

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clever:

mzb: i can include an ssh server in all of them and reset the server keys so they are uniq

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clever:

mzb: then it will just be a mater of opening ssh in the firewall or using a vpn that can tear holes in that

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clever:

probly might be with dialup users

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clever:

problem*

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clever:

and those without a router to share the dsl

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mzb:

check system-imager !

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clever:

but i could just make the myth box part router to fix that:P

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mzb:

standard install takes <10mins (on 100Mbit)

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mchou:

what's needed is myth on a usb memory stick :)

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mzb:

debian-live

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mchou:

boot that sucker and you have a myth backend to go

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clever:

my thinest client is ubuntu on a 2gig partition

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mzb:

just building debian-live images atm, as it happens

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clever:

and its mythtv binarys are all on nfs

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GreyFoxx:

mchou: Easily doable. YEars back I had myth running on a 256 meg usb stick. 156megs total before I tried to trim it

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mchou:

2 gb partition???

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mzb:

(for a 4GB stick for g/f's christmas present)

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GreyFoxx:

and with minimyth being 50 or so meg compressed I'm suprised more peope don't do it

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mchou:

grantm: especially now that the windoze fe is out :)

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mchou:

GreyFoxx*

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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clever:

i put myth into my dads xp box

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clever:

just stuck a 2gig ubuntu partition on the side and set it up to run mythbackend&fe on bootup/login

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mchou:

clever: did you get dope-slapped?

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mzb:

if you're running lenny (perhaps even ubuntu), have a look at live-helper

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GreyFoxx:

once the rest of the win32 stuff is in trunk and the compile instructions are more complete in the wiki it should be interesting to see the support stuff come in

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clever:

myth binarys are off nfs so its updated with the rest of my frontends

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clever:

mchou: dope-slapped?

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mchou:

clever: by your dad

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clever:

lol

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clever:

for a few weeks he didnt even notice it:P

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clever:

i had grub set for a short timeout

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clever:

he kept reminding me to take the livecd out after i shut linux down on his box:P

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mzb:

clever: I take it you never got around to applying my patch to grub? :)

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clever:

dad knows now do i dont realy need to hide it

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clever:

and he would still notice the 2 gig missing from his drive size

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mzb:

I guess

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mzb:

I added a pic btw

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mzb:

(not sure if it was there last time)

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mchou:

what I dont understand is why you NEED 2 gigs

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mzb:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=81

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clever:

ubuntu is tricky to run on 2gig

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clever:

bearly any room for you to work with

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mchou:

I figure 1 GB would be enough

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clever:

but i have gnome nstalled

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

that 1.5GB right there

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clever:

i could trim the entire ui down

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clever:

but then i wouldnt be able to use it as a spare linux desktop of my own when he's out of the room

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clever:

and im trying to get some of his games going under wine:P

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mzb:

I'm just finishing off a debian-live build which has gnome-desktop and is < 700MB

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clever:

so he wont have a problem with the switch as much

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mchou:

clever: I dont get this. you actually dual boot?

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clever:

dads system is dualboot from xphome/ubuntu 7.10

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mchou:

clever: why not just run vmware or even cygwin

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clever:

does myth build under cygwin?

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mchou:

faster and no need for reboots

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clever:

main reason i have myth on his box is to leech his cpu power for comm flaging/transcoding

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mchou:

sigh.....

[05:43:26]

mzb:

or just use colinux ... much nicer solution (in many ways)

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clever:

getting the frontend to work under colinux would be tricky

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mzb:

eg. you could have a hidden loopback file ... which would mean your Dad would see the correct size for the hdd ;)

[05:44:18]

mzb:

freenx or ssh -X ?

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mzb:

(ie. putty with X forwarding)

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clever:

frontend video playback(xv) doesnt work over x11 thru tcp

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clever:

and thru ssh -X its even slower and probly cant play video

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mzb:

there's a windows mythtv client

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mzb:

(afaik)

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clever:

im currently having trouble with linux in the brand new dell

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clever:

livecd cant find the rootfs and drops to busybox

[05:46:15]

clever:

my old thinclient hdd from the cf25 cant find the rootfs(when in a usb enclosure)

[05:46:41]

clever:

i was able to boot the cf25 drive in the cd bay thru the special module(meant for the backup ghost drive)

[05:47:12]

clever:

but id need to take out 9 screws to change the drive in that and dad probly doesnt want me tearing the backup drive appart

[05:48:09]

CCFL_Man:

i purchased a big 6 ft satellite dish for c band

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clever:

ive got a dish on my roof im not even using:P

[05:48:43]

CCFL_Man:

c band or no?

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clever:

but im looking into what it may take to get the unencrypted channels on it with myth

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clever:

dont know what band its for

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CCFL_Man:

i can tell you

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clever:

smallish in side

[05:49:11]

clever:

1 horn i beleive

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CCFL_Man:

how big is it?

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Dibblah:

Not C band, then :)

[05:49:22]

CCFL_Man:

ahh

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clever:

under 2 feet diameter for shure:P

[05:49:32]

CCFL_Man:

not much ku band fta

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clever:

its up here in canada

[05:49:55]

clever:

from the wiki page i read only 2 main companys run sat tv in canada

[05:50:00]

clever:

bell expresvu and some1 else

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CCFL_Man:

fr'Dibblah: i got a 6ft one, for two channels :P

[05:50:11]

CCFL_Man:

ahh

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Dibblah:

I just have a 60cm Sky minidish :)

[05:50:30]

Dibblah:

With 2 LNBs.

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CCFL_Man:

bell has free channels but they sre not worth it :{

[05:50:38]

Dibblah:

One quad, one quattro.

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CCFL_Man:

oh, fta ku?

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Dibblah:

The quattro is connected to an 8 port switch :)

[05:51:10]

CCFL_Man:

ahh

[05:51:23]

CCFL_Man:

4x8

[05:51:28]

Dibblah:

Yup.

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Dibblah:

Was surprised how reasonably they're priced.

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clever:

the dish/lnb came with the house

[05:52:11]

clever:

and we got a sat box from a relative who didnt need it

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CCFL_Man:

i just want deutsche welle tv and radio

[05:52:24]

clever:

might i be able to just tie them to eachother and get something?

[05:52:47]

clever:

a bell 3100 box with a random dish basicaly

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CCFL_Man:

fr'clever: you can, yes, subscribe or fta

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CCFL_Man:

ahh

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clever:

theres a smartcard in the slot too

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clever:

which does fit into the builtin reader of my new laptop

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clever:

but i dont seem to have any software installed for the reader

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CCFL_Man:

oh, thats different

[05:54:14]

CCFL_Man:

according yo channel rules, i can only tell you that you can subscribe to it

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CCFL_Man:

to

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clever:

i know we cant talk of cracking channels in here

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clever:

but some of the channels on the lynsat site for sat's in my area are unencrypted

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mchou:

holy shit

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mchou:

now this makes sense

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mzb:

make that a 637M image for usb stick (just finished building latest version) on aes encrypted squashfs

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clever:

would a dvb-s card wired into the LNB work for getting unencrypted channels?

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mchou:

bah, it's still wrong

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mzb:

grr... still haven't got the aes right :(

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CCFL_Man:

fr'clever: yes, it'll work great

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CCFL_Man:

just get a card that has no bdm drivers

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clever:

so its just mater of getting the card and pointing it at a sat whcih has free channels i like

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CCFL_Man:

yes

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CCFL_Man:

pretty much

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clever:

cheapest dvb-s i see on ebay is 1cent with 29$ shiping

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clever:

which is about half of what i got saved up in paypal:P

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CCFL_Man:

get a twinhan

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clever:

twinhan?

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CCFL_Man:

twinhan 1020

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clever:

dont see one of those on the twinhan site

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CCFL_Man:

it's old, but it works

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

i'll google it in a min

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clever:

brb

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CCFL_Man:

check the mythtv docs about dvb-s compatibility

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CCFL_Man:

galaxy 10r has some free locals on ku band

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Dibblah:

If it's $29, it's a Twinhan clone.

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Dibblah:

And personally, I would avoid like the plague.

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clever:

the 29$ was shiping alone

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clever:

price for the item was 1cent

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Tanthrix:

clever: Don't give money to assholes like that. It's deceptive.

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clever:

and thats half of all my money:P

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clever:

Tanthrix: i have tryed to buy a serial ir receiver online before

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clever:

its been a few months and it still hasnt arrived:P

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clever:

and the option on the site to buy one has since disapeared

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Hey, if you get stiffed, I can probably build you one for about $10 usd...

[06:37:11]

clever:

i found one on a more trustable looking site for 29$

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clever:

but dad said not to buy myself anything before xmas:P

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clever:

sounds like a hint about one of my gifts

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: You can hope... ;-)

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

ive also hinted about egtting rid of my frame grabber:P

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clever:

268 programs, using 129 GB (9 days 22 hrs 9 mins) out of 155 GB (2.8 GB free).

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: hehe... that's nothing... ;-) 306 programs, using 839 GB (14 days 4 hrs 41 mins) out of 1.2 TB (192 GB free).

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i talked to some1 in here a few weeks ago

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clever:

10000 programs....

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clever:

mythweb crashes from low mem usage limits

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'd have more, but I don't have my other 760GB connected at the moment...

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I don't get any crashes... My systems been up for nearly 2 months since I last updated it – no crashes at all. Autoexpire works just fine here...

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clever:

im cleaning out a 160gig drive for increasing myth's space

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: My smallest drive in use at the moment is a 200GB in a firewire enclosure (my music, only using about 15gb atm... still haven't ripped all my cd's)

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clever:

.

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clever:

my smallest drive in myth is 80g

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clever:

about 3 of them form the mainlv for myth

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clever:

http://pastebin.ca/817101

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Then there's the 320GB USB drive for my 'videos'.

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clever:

output from a php script i made

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: You don't have anything set to autoexpire?

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clever:

i use that and the upcoming recordings to predict when it will run out of space and cancle some so i can wakeup before it crashes

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clever:

the 'deleted' things are on auto expire in there own special recgroup

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I'm curious — why don't you set autoexpire, and maximum episodes limits? (ie: Record new and expire old)???

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clever:

and i keep nearly everything else in non expire

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clever:

daily planet doesnt reair much and has the subtitle empty in the sched

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clever:

and it makes up the bulk of my recordings

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clever:

and autoexpire hasnt been rerecording for me so once it expires it wont record again

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Ah. So the listings aren't that useful, so you don't have duplicate checking on for that program...

[06:45:32]

clever:

.

[06:45:49]

clever:

duplicate checking is only dead on daily planet for the most part

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clever:

which airs multiple times a day

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: And you tried turning off the "Check for duplicates" feature?

[06:46:02]

clever:

rest of the broken listings are weekly airing

[06:46:20]

clever:

thats allready on but its based on the title/subtitle pair

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clever:

with an empty subtitle its not much use

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Yeah, but if you turn it off, it should record the new program, and expire the oldest...

[06:46:49]

clever:

.

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clever:

ive twaaked the settings for daily planet to record every single episode that airs

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clever:

then i watch over the first min or 2 and delete the duplicates

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clever:

and set a subtitle so i can tell them all appart

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Hey, I've gotta crash — it's nearly 2am here... ttyl. ;-)

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clever:

.

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clever:

lol

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clever:

3am here

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clever:

later:)

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clever:

Core was generated by `mythbackend --generate-preview 0x0 --chanid 1020 --starttime 20071214225900'.

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clever:

Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.

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clever:

warning: Source file is more recent than executable.

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clever:

maybe the svn update i did fixed it(havent installed yet)

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root__:

Hi, so question.... more of an electronics question heh... can I connect sound from a mini-headphone jack to an rca input on a tv? should just work right? or is there some sort of ohm issue? just wondering since I connected from the output on the soundcard and tried playing an mp3 on the tv speaker... didn't work... then tried pc speakers... works fine...?

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root__:

gah!!!

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root__:

hah

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root__:

root :o

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root__:

frick

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root__:

brb

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dserban_:

hah i'm not root anymore...

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dserban_:

anyway alsa works fine.. no issue, just can't figure out if the tv tries to dectect a video source... since I can't seem to get the card to output the console yet... meh

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tank-man:

dserban, the sound should work

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tank-man:

even without video

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bryan__:

can someone help me get a winfast tv2000 expert card working?

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clever:

bryan__: does it work outside myth?

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bryan__:

no, I''ve tried everything I can find. It has worked in linux before though.

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clever:

have you changed/upgraded your distro since?

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bryan__:

I had Ubuntu a while back and I just reinstalled it because I wanted to try out MythTV

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bryan__:

no, same dist

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

i had ubuntu on a few boxes and was bored so i shoved a tv card in my ubuntu box

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clever:

dad claimed id never find a driver:P

[08:10:25]

clever:

after a few weeks of poking around i discovered i had a driver from day 1:P

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clever:

ubuntu seems to install the driver for nearly everything along with the kernel

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xris:

clever: yeah.. redhat/fedora do, too

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xris:

modules are nice.

[08:11:05]

clever:

then it was just a mater of finding a v4l compatible userspace program

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clever:

xris: yeah until you run into trouble booting a hdd off usb without an initrd:P

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xris:

rescue disk to the rescue?

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clever:

xris: the hdd boots fine in a laptop when on the internal ide connector(or in the ide bay module) and even in a usb enclosure with qemu

[08:12:27]

clever:

xris: no rescue option and livecd cant find its rootfs either

[08:12:39]

clever:

neither the hdd or livecd can find the root after booting

[08:13:42]

clever:

i got the hdd booting thru the module in the cd bay and used the dual 1.8ghz cpu's to build damn near every usb related item into the kernel at lightning speed:P

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clever:

but it still didnt work from usb

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xris:

ick

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dserban_:

tank-man: hmmm

[08:16:17]

clever:

im surprised i had smp enabled in it though

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dserban_:

still doesn't work

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clever:

made using both cores to rebuild kernel peices alot faster

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dserban_:

rough.. wth

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bryan__:

clever: do you have any suggestions about where I should start?

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clever:

find out what card it is and what driver it needs

[08:18:27]

clever:

then check lsmod to see if its being loaded

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bryan__:

Its a leadtek Winfast tv2000 expert, it needs cx88xx, which I have, and its loaded

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clever:

do you see a /dev/video* device?

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clever:

ls -l /dev/video*

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bryan__:

no

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clever:

then the driver isnt making a device

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clever:

unload and then reload it then check dmesg

[08:24:04]

clever:

sudo modprobe -vr cx88xx

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clever:

sudo modprobe -v cx88xx

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clever:

dmesg|tail

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clever:

it should output some status when starting and posibly some errors

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bryan__:

? says that its in use

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clever:

some other modules may be using it

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clever:

lsmod|grep cx88xx

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clever:

posibly one for the exact cadrd you have

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bryan__:

cx88xx 67364 2 cx8802,cx8800

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bryan__:

ir_common 31236 1 cx88xx

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bryan__:

i2c_algo_bit 8712 1 cx88xx

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bryan__:

video_buf 26116 3 cx8802,cx8800,cx88xx

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bryan__:

tveeprom 15888 1 cx88xx

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bryan__:

btcx_risc 5896 3 cx8802,cx8800,cx88xx

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bryan__:

videodev 28160 2 cx8800,cx88xx

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bryan__:

i2c_core 22784 4 cx88xx,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom,i2c_viapro

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clever:

i think that means cx8802 is using/used by cx8800

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clever:

or something

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bryan__:

ok

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clever:

youll probly need to unload cx8802 cx8800 and cx88xx

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clever:

if one fails try the others then go back over it

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clever:

unshure on the order but it doesnt mater much

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clever:

once all 3 are out modprobe all 3 backin with sudo modprobe -v NAME

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clever:

(modprobe may load some of them back all at once to help)

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clever:

for example if you try to load cx8800 it may pull cx88xx automaticaly

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bryan__:

ok, unloaded and reloaded all 3, but no errors

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clever:

dmesg|tail -n30

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clever:

www.pastebin.com

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clever:

some may not look like errors

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bryan__:

http://pastebin.com/m2bd7940b

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clever:

looks normal

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clever:

like it even found the card

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bryan__:

just tried tvtime but got the same, "No such file or directory, cannot open capture device /dev/video0"

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clever:

what is a digital device normaly called under /dev/ ?:S

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clever:

it could just be a diff name

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clever:

ls -ltrh /dev/|tail -n30

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clever:

reloading the modules will addjust the modtime on there device node(because of the way udev works) so it may show up as recently edited

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bryan__:

http://pastebin.com/d5a8e435a

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clever:

nothing in there feels like a video device to me

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** xand wonders why a recording is completely blank except for a small blue square at the bottom-right :| **

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clever:

xand: ive had totaly black recordings before

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clever:

xand: then i noticed the digital tuner was off

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xand:

i don't see how it could be off :S

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** xand frowns **

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clever:

i have 2 digital boxes in the same room

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clever:

1 for plain livetv and 1 for myth

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clever:

it was easy to hit the wrong box with the remote

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xand:

oh, my digital tuners are on pci cards

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clever:

a few carefully stacked dvd sets fixed it

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clever:

ah

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clever:

im stuck with a frame grabber:P

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bryan__:

http://pastebin.com/m2bd7940b — What does line 60 and 61 mean?

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bryan__:

and 62

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clever:

61 might be an error

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clever:

whats using irq 17(cat /proc/interrupts)

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bryan__:

http://pastebin.com/m54793470

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clever:

17 isnt in use:S

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clever:

the irq you get is based on which pci slot your in

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clever:

you could try putting the card in a diff slot to try using a diff irq

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clever:

could be 17 is locked up somewhere we cant see

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bryan__:

Kind of wonder if it's not another program, but how can I tell?

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clever:

the /proc/interrupts should list all irq's in use and what driver is holding them

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clever:

but it could be some design flaw in the motherboard/bios causing problems with 17

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clever:

but those probly only affect thatslot your using

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bryan__:

The card is still working fine in Vista.

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clever:

vista may know ways of working arround that problem

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clever:

cant hurt to try another pci slot

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bryan__:

I will check and see, thanks for your help

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bryan:

Clever: I changed the slot but it didn't help. I uninstalled mythtv and now I have video with tvtime

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bryan:

so I guess maybe I had something configured wrong(?)

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clever:

i dont see how mythtv can get in the way of tvtime working

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clever:

it should only have the card in use when recording or eit scaning

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clever:

and if it can do those then its pretty much working

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bryan:

what about the backend?

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clever:

thats what the backend does

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bryan:

well at least I know that the card works, just to get it to work with MythTv...

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clever:

do you have a /dev/video0 now?

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bryan:

yes

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clever:

so it should work fine in mythtv once you set it up right

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bryan:

now when I click on watch tv it says that "MythTV is already using all available inputs for the channel that you selected"

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clever:

do you have the card setup in the mythtv-setup?

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bryan:

ok, this time it detected my card, but when I click on Input Connections, Television, and try to scan for channels, it says "Failed to open the card"

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bryan:

the frontend is still giving the same error message

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Andycasss:

How to make myth use autorepeat on a analog joystick?

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olsta:

hi

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olsta:

i want to use a channels.conf, but he only tell me "failed to parse ..."

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olsta:

i want to use this channels.conf http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/Channel . . . -Main-Gebiet (slow)

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Dibblah:

olsta: I don't think that'll work.

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olsta:

ok

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olsta:

but the scan doesen`t work i get only time out

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Dibblah:

Why can't you use the internal scanner?

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Dibblah:

Which scan option are you choosing?

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olsta:

the problem is for three channels the frequenz are other but the internal scanner tell mit allways timeout

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olsta:

in german "vollständiger scan" it means i think all

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Dibblah:

Which scan option are you choosing?

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olsta:

the first scan option

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olsta:

this option this will be default on mythtv

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Dibblah:

Try choosing the option to scan specific frequency / ...

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olsta:

tuned?

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Dibblah:

Yes.

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olsta:

and which frequenz?

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Dibblah:

... They're in the channels.conf.

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olsta:

the first after the names?

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Andycasss:

Can I make mythvideo fetch videos from multiple directorys?

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Andycasss:

and the same for mythmusic?

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olsta:

well, no i can`t found the channels

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Dibblah:

Does the channels.conf work in VDR?

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olsta:

i don`t know

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GreyFoxx:

Andycasss: Yes

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mzb_d800:

olsta: increase your tuner timeouts?

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olsta:

where?

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GreyFoxx:

Either put symlinks under one directory pointing to the other, OR add mutiple entries in the mythvideo setup seperated by :

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olsta:

ah k found it, i will tets it

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Andycasss:

GreyFoxx: was it with ":"?

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Andycasss:

/dir1/:/dir2/

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mzb_d800:

bind mounts are probably a neater method

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

personally I use symlinks, but : works :)

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Andycasss:

GreyFoxx: I cant make symlink to my lan mount or vice versa... symlink gives me operation not supported, the permissions are right and everything...

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olsta:

mzb_d800: thx for the tip it will work fine

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mzb_d800:

cool

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olsta:

the time is much longer to search, but it`s the better way :)

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mzb_d800:

Andycasss: bind mounts! :)

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mzb_d800:

olsta: yes, I have an external tuner that needs larger timeouts ... mostly so that the correct signal strength is shown when watching live tv

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xand:

Andycasss: mounted how?

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xand:

you can't create symlinks on some FSes

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BULLE:

then its time to change fs!

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bluey:

mh am i the only one, who can't compile mythtv since the new deinterlace has been committed to the trunk? http://nopaste.php-quake.net/11845

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Vinconzo:

hi

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sebrock:

I have a problem accessing mythtv-setup on my headless backend though a VNC connection. First it complains about me not beeing part of the group, which I am, then it says "No running KDM/Gnome/Xfce". There is no X-server running on the server, just though my VNC connection. Any hints?

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directhex:

try using mythtv-setup.real

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Vinconzo:

is it possible to port MythTV to a GP2X? (ARM920T&ARM940T, 64MB SDRAM, 64MB NAND Flash ROM)

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sebrock:

directhex: that one worked, thank you!

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sebrock:

btw, why is htat?

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directhex:

Vinconzo, no, it's not

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Vinconzo:

ok

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Vinconzo:

why not?

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directhex:

Vinconzo, you'll never get that cpu playing a full-size video stream without preprocessing, and myth doesn't do on-the-fly transcoding

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Vinconzo:

ok

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directhex:

and the heavyweight frameworks ysed by mythfrontend wouldn't work. an alternate frontend, on appropriate files, perhaps

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Vinconzo:

i thought that gp2x could make a cheap media-centre

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RaYmAn-Bx:

the lack of network (besides usb networking) kind of ruins it imho

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RaYmAn-Bx:

with an alternative front end it's not impossible though..the gp2x can easily play mpeg2 due to some (limited) hardware support for decoding

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GreyFoxx:

I thought it could do sdtv mpeg4 too

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GreyFoxx:

I've seen afriend play a regular xvid using the gp2x's copy of mplayer

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it can

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RaYmAn-Bx:

but afaik most mythtv setups use mpeg2..well.. at least analog mythtv setups

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe the project that makes the gmyth frontend for the N800's would be somethign that could be ported to the gp2x

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it needs some fairly good streaming speed though..playing from SD requires a fast SD

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GreyFoxx:

did you not just say usb network connection? That should be plenty

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anykey_:

Anyone with an idea what the solution for the big fonts is here? http://www.dmesg.ch/mythfrontend.log

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sebrock:

GreyFoxx: are frontend settings saved in backend database?

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GreyFoxx:

sebrock: yes

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sebrock:

and if so: which table?

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anykey_:

sorry, http://www.dmesg.ch/mythfrontend.png

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GreyFoxx:

depends on the setting of course

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GreyFoxx:

there is a "settings" tabnle

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GreyFoxx:

which contains a lot

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sebrock:

Aha, GreyFoxx is there a way to check which frontends have connected, except logs. I mean stored settings on "hostname"

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GreyFoxx:

I'm not sure what you mean

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GreyFoxx:

are you looking for a list of all fropntends that have data in the settings table ?

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sebrock:

GreyFoxx: yes exactly

[14:56:49]

GreyFoxx:

select distinct hostname from settings ;

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sebrock:

ok

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sebrock:

thanx

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sebrock:

one more thing. GreyFoxx. To delete all settings for one specific hostname, would this do: delete from settings where hostname="hostname";

[15:01:47]

GreyFoxx:

well that would get anything from the settings table at least which would be most if not all of the host specific stuff

[15:02:01]

sebrock:

ok I'll try it

[15:02:24]

sebrock:

its just the host specific stuff I need to get rid of

[15:02:52]

GreyFoxx:

make backups first :)

[15:03:01]

sebrock:

did :D

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anykey_:

GreyFoxx: any idea with the fonts?

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GreyFoxx:

anykey_: I'm fraid not

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GreyFoxx:

That url doesn't load for me

[15:22:06]

anykey_:

GreyFoxx: http://www.dmesg.ch/mythfrontend.png?

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anykey_:

no? ;)

[15:22:24]

GreyFoxx:

the URL you posted said .log :)

[15:22:43]

anykey_:

yeah, I corrected me though ;)

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GreyFoxx:

but no, I don't know what that would be. I assume you have gone far enough into the menus to try and shrink the font sizes ?

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anykey_:

yes, no change

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anykey_:

trying svn now

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anykey_:

GreyFoxx: svn fixed it, hum

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fryfrog:

hell yeah, mplayer only using like 60–70% cpu! Thanks for the don't use internal player with .mkv GreyFoxx

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fysa:

xine works well here also for mkvs — and exhibits less panning artifacts (jitter/judder), but has a problem with AC3 sound from time to time here.

[15:49:29]

fryfrog:

i might have to play around with xine

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fryfrog:

my .lircrc for mplayer was totally screwed. the only button that worked was pause

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fryfrog:

so i hated mplayer for like 20 min until i realized why :p

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fysa:

haha

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fryfrog:

xine probably would have the same problem

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fysa:

with lircrc?

[15:51:38]

fysa:

one sec, maybe I can help.

[15:52:34]

fysa:

http://pastebin.ca/764854

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fysa:

hmm

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fysa:

seems to be dead.

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fysa:

that was my lircrc, using irexec and a single ~/.lircrc with entries for mplayer, xine, mythtv and shell script execution (ln -s to ~/.mythtv/lircrc)

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fysa:

the xine/mplayer directives could help.

[15:53:49]

fryfrog:

tweaking .lircrc isn't hard, especially now that i know what was screwed up :)

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fryfrog:

the entries were there, just pointed to the wrong "buttons" per my lirc setup

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fysa:

ah

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fryfrog:

and i symlink mine oto

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fryfrog:

except to /etc/lirc/lircrc

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fryfrog:

is there any reason you like xine over mplayer?

[15:54:47]

fryfrog:

i believe xine has better dvd menu support, but i use the internal player for everything except .mkv now

[15:55:58]

fysa:

I prefer xine over mplayer every time these days.

[15:56:09]

GreyFoxx:

My only complaint with the internal player and dVD's is that it no longer allows you to skip those FBI warnings and such

[15:56:30]

fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: blah, seriously?

[15:56:32]

GreyFoxx:

one day a commit started to enforce them but I haven't been bothered enough to look into getting around it

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GreyFoxx:

It's been that way for a while now

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fysa:

It seems to choke less and run more smoothly here..

[15:56:49]

fryfrog:

any idea why? to be "legal" or something?

[15:56:53]

sebrock:

Anyone knows why my on mny frontend, when I press anything on my imon pad remote it sort of lags the frontend

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: I doubt it

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fryfrog:

fysa: what is your xine startup line?

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fysa:

xine -pfhq

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fryfrog:

quite simple!

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GreyFoxx:

likely just following spec and noone put in the ability to skipo them

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GreyFoxx:

I doubt it's intentional

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fryfrog:

ah

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fysa:

~/.xine/config or some such

[15:57:46]

fysa:

has some settings — I really only changed subtitle settings and made sure spdif was enabled.

[15:59:07]

fysa:

I don't know what it is, but it feels like I get a more constant fps with xine. I may be more susceptible to it than most, especially with a projector setup.

[16:00:02]

fysa:

re-installing myth here soon with a hacked menu option to launch XBMC Linux

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fysa:

it handles mkvs fairly well with a nice OSD

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fryfrog:

wow, is xbmc linux far enough along to actually use?

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sebrock:

why does lirc sometimes needs patching to work with a specific LCD? How are they connected?

[16:01:12]

fysa:

basically, yes. python engine, web server working also

[16:01:22]

fysa:

and UPNP server might be working.

[16:01:42]

fysa:

many regular XBMC plugins work, haven't tried xbmcmyth yet.

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fysa:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kyX16OZY4bo

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fysa:

that's a walkthrough of menu options..

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fysa:

unless we get a good way of integrating, I will probably end up with "Live TV", "Recorded TV", "Media" in myth mainmenu.xml and have Media launch XBMC.

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fysa:

http://xbmc.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*check . . . README.linux

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justinh:

now there's a project which has come a long way in a very short space of time

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[16:15:20]

justinh:

the file browser

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fysa:

I've been using it regularly for a few weeks, it's in pretty decent shape.

[16:15:47]

wild_oscar:

hi there. does anyone know how to automatically start mythbuntu in the vga output insted of the lcd on a laptop?

[16:16:09]

justinh:

fysa: yeah but it's still really not much more than a file browser

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fysa:

why do you say that?

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fysa:

oh, you mean in concept?

[16:16:28]

justinh:

yeah

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fysa:

right — ^^

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fysa:

"unless we get a good way of integrating, I will probably end up with "Live TV", "Recorded TV", "Media" in myth mainmenu.xml and have Media launch XBMC."

[16:17:04]

fysa:

you joined right after that ;)

[16:17:12]

fysa:

the python engine works, but I never tried xbmcmyth.

[16:17:14]

justinh:

still no nearer to perfection in the way of suitable paradigms for thousands of media items

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fysa:

I'm happy using it as a MythVideo/MythMusic replacement for now. MythVideo takes way too long to scan all files on startup, XBMC scans the directory you're 'in' and can index library in the background (IMDB/TVrage)

[16:18:40]

fysa:

not trying to turn this into a war ;)

[16:18:53]

justinh:

I don't find mythvideo slow but then I only have hundreds of files

[16:19:16]

justinh:

sure it was dog slow on my epia but then so was every damn thing

[16:19:26]

fysa:

yeah. "find ." takes about 30–40 seconds here — nfs and RAID

[16:19:56]

justinh:

all I need now for my new frontend is a fan for the heatsink

[16:20:19]

justinh:

the hsf I've been running it with on the desk outside the case is too tall

[16:20:32]

justinh:

65mm tall is too big :(

[16:20:39]

justinh:

stupid silverstone case

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fysa:

heh

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justinh:

been tempted by a hiper media case but you just know a 1U high chassis either won't have good enough airflow or it'll sound like an xbox in flight

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fysa:

I'd like to get something I can ceiling mount with the projector..

[16:22:27]

fysa:

a Mac Mini or Nova P22 if I can get an E6550 into one.

[16:22:39]

justinh:

if I don't mind removing/moving the DVD drive I can put just about any HSF on there

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justinh:

moving it is no small order though. that'd need a whole new front panel made

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justinh:

and the problem with the majority of HTPC cases is that they're just no use for me. they're either too deep, too high, too ugly or else full of pointless stuff I don't want (card reader, front audio & USB sockets etc) – and expensive. all too much for a mere diskless frontend

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justinh:

push comes to shove I'll follow through on my thread to make one from scratch

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justinh:

*threat

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justinh:

not that I've ever used a friendly local metal fab shop

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justinh:

setup time isn't cheap I'll bet

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fysa:

yeah.

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fysa:

diskless (i.e., I don't even want space for a disk) draft 2.0 802.11n front-end is what I would like.

[16:27:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

fysa: Is the Acer Aspire L100 small enough for you? It's 9.8"W x 2.4"H x 7.9"D – has Athlon 64 X2 3600, 1GB ram, 160GB hdd, DVD+/-RW, wifi, etc...

[16:29:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

fysa: (That's the UD360A model I have... other L100s have different processors, but the same basic specs)

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justinh:

I saw Silverstone's ML02 & thought "ooooO". but on closer inspection it's not much more than a cheap 19" wide instrument case I could buy from RS

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J-e-f-f-A:

Street price is around 375 to 400 usd... I got mine on sale at Radio Shack for $399.

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fysa:

that's not bad, if I could get a C2D into it.

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echoSMILE:

hi []'s

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justinh:

what's a [] ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

fysa: ... and what's a C2D? [I'm not awake yet...]

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echoSMILE:

hug

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fysa:

Core 2 Duo

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justinh:

core 2 duo

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justinh:

dynamic duo :P

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J-e-f-f-A:

fysa: Ah... Well, it's an Athlon, at least my model is. I don't know if they have an Intel line... [googling]

[16:32:33]

fysa:

http://www.enanocomputers.com/products/desktops/index.aspx

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echoSMILE:

what card dvb-s with CI recommend to use with linux/mythTV?

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fysa:

the right size, little pricey though

[16:33:15]

fysa:

http://www.enanocomputers.com/index.aspx

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justinh:

echoSMILE: see the wiki at linuxtv.org

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echoSMILE:

justdave ok

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justinh:

echoSMILE: stop insulting justdave !

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fysa:

I would love to have a size that can be wall-mounted behind an LCD or next to a projector.

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echoSMILE:

:>

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echoSMILE:

lol ok

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echoSMILE:

;D better

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notjustdave:

my current setup will probably last me til I get the mac mini

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notjustdave:

my wife has already approved the purchase :D

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J-e-f-f-A:

fysa: A "little" pricey? Jeepers, most of the systems there are well over $1000...

[16:35:44]

fysa:

right, which is why I'm waiting/hoping on a new Mac Mini. :)

[16:35:50]

notjustdave:

the mini has limitations (can't use digital and analogue audio out at the same time) but it's nice

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notjustdave:

its IR receiver is seriously crip too, but a proper programmable remote can sort that out

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notjustdave:

with lirc anyway

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fysa:

yeah, I will use an N800 with xkb-bthid as the remote.

[16:36:49]

notjustdave:

without the need for a separate USB wart

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fysa:

touchscreen keyboard with user definable keys

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notjustdave:

ah but will the N800 control your TV & home cinema amp?

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echoSMILE:

one card dvb-s without a CAM are able to see 'open' tv channels right?

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fysa:

then the device acts as a bluetooth keyboard

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notjustdave:

echoSMILE: yup

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fysa:

irexec + IR blaster for amp control

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J-e-f-f-A:

fysa: Unless you're totally against AMD, take a closer look at the L100... it's got a lot packed into that box for less than $400 in most configs...

[16:38:07]

notjustdave:

fysa: means you need the machine on all the time :(

[16:38:19]

fysa:

that would be on the back-end

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echoSMILE:

CAM is a piece of hardware to put isp-tv-card to see encrypted channel, i'm right?

[16:38:30]

notjustdave:

let's face it, HTPCs suck in the real world

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fysa:

which is a giant RAID server that never goes off-line — it's the only box in the house that stays on 24/7

[16:39:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

.. me too. My backend is on 24x7 – with close to 2TB usable storage on it...

[16:39:16]

notjustdave:

echoSMILE: a CAM is a 'conditional access module' which will allow you to decrypt encrypted TV channels if you have a valid subscription

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fysa:

j-e-f-f-A: I'd love it, but need more CPU. My next HTPC needs to handle 1080p x264/h264.

[16:39:39]

echoSMILE:

notjustdave ok dude. tks

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notjustdave:

fysa: rumour has it a core2 duo 1.8 would do it

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fysa:

I thought we had to get up to 2.4+?

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fysa:

or newish optimizations?

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J-e-f-f-A:

fysa: An Athlon X2 4600+ wouldn't handle 1080p in .264???

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notjustdave:

fysa: my core2 duo mobile 1.83 manages to play 30s of 1080p h264 then pauses for a bit then returns to fluid playback – on a single core

[16:40:49]

fysa:

j-e-f-f-A: I don't believe so with mplayer/xine.

[16:40:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

...er 3600+

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echoSMILE:

i'm seeing many dvb-s devices. PCI, PCIe, USB, firewire, and pcmcia. they has same quality ?

[16:40:53]

fysa:

yeah, no.

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fysa:

definitely not a 3600

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notjustdave:

not got round to building a threaded mplayer to test it properly yet

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fysa:

I think you would need a 5000+

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notjustdave:

echoSMILE: DVB is DVB is DVB is DVB. the quality you get is what is broadcast

[16:41:26]

fysa:

the BE 5000+ should be able to do it, as it overclocks easily enough and runs cool for relatively cheap

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fysa:

but E6550 is the C2D equivalent which will still blow it away after even the slightest overclocking

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echoSMILE:

notjustdave ok, don't matter what interface i use to connect dvb device.

[16:42:34]

notjustdave:

word on the street is that 1.8ghz with dual cores going at the threads will do it just fine

[16:42:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

fysa: Somehow I don't think it needs that much power, but I've been wrong before, and don't have any actual files handy to test it... Jeepers, I was playing back 720p mpeg2 on a PIII 1GHz – is mp4/h.264 that much more demanding?

[16:42:48]

fysa:

maybe they improved threading then

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notjustdave:

echoSMILE: in theory no it doesn't matter

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fysa:

no, it really does jeff.

[16:43:00]

fysa:

it really is incredibly demanding.

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notjustdave:

fysa: they made it use as many cores as you got

[16:43:09]

notjustdave:

even handles avc

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fysa:

ffpmeg?

[16:43:20]

notjustdave:

and that's coming to mythtv :)

[16:43:21]

fysa:

ffmpeg/mplayer/xine?

[16:43:21]

notjustdave:

aye

[16:43:38]

fysa:

yeah, proper multi-proc support would be huge.

[16:44:38]

fysa:

because that would open up to more AMD X2s

[16:44:53]

wasabi:

i'd like to see myth do some better interface stuff... like pick up clutter

[16:45:05]

wasabi:

then be able to play movies into textures and move them around and stuff

[16:45:06]

fysa:

I have a dual-core Opteron @ 2.6GHz that could go into an HTPC, but last I checked it was *just* too slow for 1080p x264.

[16:45:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

wasabi: Get yourself a "Roomba" ;-)

[16:45:16]

wasabi:

?

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fysa:

so that will end up in the RAID/back-end

[16:45:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

wasabi: It's a robotic vaccume cleaner... ;-) It picks up clutter/dust/dirt... Isn't that what you want? (Although I'm not sure you could run Myth on it)

[16:45:58]

wasabi:

hah. no

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wasabi:

clutter == gobject/cairo/opengl canvas API

[16:46:33]

wasabi:

Makes it very easy to assemble a set of widgets and move them around the screen accelerated... and play video into poritions of them.

[16:47:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

wasabi: Translated – clutter == Eye Candy.

[16:47:13]

wasabi:

Yes.

[16:47:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

wasabi: It would be 'neat' to have more 'eye candy' in Myth, but I'll settle for the functionality side of it. ;-)

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wasabi:

I'd appreciate the ability for video overlays to work when playing media files.

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wasabi:

And vol controls to be unified.

[16:48:24]

wasabi:

And to be able to overlay two video streams on screen.

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wasabi:

(useful stuff)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wasabi: Well, if you're knowledegble in how to do that, please contribute with some coding. It's all open source after all.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wasabi: I myself know it's *possible*, yet have no practical experience in this realm. I'm a good engineer, I can come up with thousands of great ideas for enhancements, but have a limited scope of what I can contribute at the moment.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wasabi: Sorry, I'm not trying to come across as an a-hole... Just saying you're not alone, but the best way to help is to get involved in any way you can...

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wasabi:

huh? were you takling to me?

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** J-e-f-f-A guess not... **

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larson9999:

argh, black screen

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notjustdave:

oh feck no. not clutter. NOT clutter!

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notjustdave:

see the recent -dev list posts about the UI stuff. clutter isn't easy to theme

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notjustdave:

if you want to help with any UI improvements try helping port the existing ui code to mythui – there's already a lot of good stuff in there

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notjustdave:

there's a lot just sitting dormant waiting to be unlocked

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notjustdave:

as for outputting video to a texture – that's what the new video code is all about isn't it? opengl rendering etc

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notjustdave:

not exactly sure how useful a floating video plane would be in real terms on the TV in my livingroom though

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notjustdave:

I see 'cool' looking youtube clips showing it off but not much beyond that

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notjustdave:

anyway somebody started the bones of a clutter frontend... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt_7eiZaBRM

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notjustdave:

looks way too much like MCE for my liking

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J-e-f-f-A:

notjustdave: ditto for me.

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notjustdave:

and with that being python, the likelihood of getting that past some mythtv core developers is less than slim :P

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larson9999:

me? i don't get all the fuss of looks. function is what i care about

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notjustdave:

larson9999: I feel pretty much the same way as long as it doesn't look _arse_ ugly

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J-e-f-f-A:

notjustdave: A buddy of mine has a "CaptiveWorks" FTA receiver... It's gui is pretty (like that demo), but it is severly lacking in features.

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larson9999:

notjustdave: yeah, i guess i have a limit on ugly, too. but it's pretty low

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J-e-f-f-A:

notjustdave: Although I am impressed by the 20-second boot time... Highly optimized kernel there I think...

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notjustdave:

making mythtv not look ugly has been one of my personal missions

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notjustdave:

J-e-f-f-A: my new frontend boots from the network in about 40secs to the mythfrontend menus

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Hoxzer:

notjustdave: The menu at least looks terrible. It leaves unexperienced users wondering where is what

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larson9999:

i think this ati driver is the cause of my woes

[17:13:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

I don't think MythTV is ugly. I think it's quite nice...

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notjustdave:

and that's just about a normal ubuntu gutsy setup

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J-e-f-f-A:

larson9999: ATI is from the devil!!! (Just my opinion!!! ;-) )

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notjustdave:

Hoxzer: reading the manual helps

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notjustdave:

oh noes, I'm evil for suggesting people should look in the docs

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larson9999:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, well, i got this machine for $10 and it had ati.

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Hoxzer:

notjustdave: Yes, but it is better to just make a program that everybody knows how to use without reading a manual

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notjustdave:

or do what I used to do when you're bored. just sit and explore the menus

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Hoxzer:

notjustdave: When it comes to HTPC (user end)

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J-e-f-f-A:

larson9999: hehe... desktop or laptop?

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larson9999:

J-e-f-f-A: desktop

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J-e-f-f-A:

larson9999: So now you need to find yourself a $20 nvidia card for it... ;-)

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notjustdave:

hmmm I remember something about a study in Finland where total newbies were introduced to a mythtv setup & the approval rating & ease of use rating were pretty high

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larson9999:

J-e-f-f-A: i think if i get rid of this black screen i'm all set.

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Hoxzer:

notjustdave: I speak behalf of my parents who find it really hard to understand todays digital home teather

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notjustdave:

Hoxzer: boo hoo

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larson9999:

yeah, i thought i had a card around here but can't find one. and i haven't found a used parts store around here :(

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Hoxzer:

Something like "watch TV, program guide and so on..." I'm going to make the menus of my Mythtv as simple as possible

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notjustdave:

these 'motor car' things.. eee I dunno. what IS the world coming to? I'll never understand how to make one of them go around

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hoxzer: If I could get my not-the-brightest-bulb-on-the-tree wife to navigate Myth, I think your parents will be fine (after it's all setup...)

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notjustdave:

no slight against my wife, but if she could figure it all out...

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larson9999:

hey, i have a p4 1.4 ghz with 256mb ram and a p3 700 mgz with 1 gb ram. wintv usb2. the p4 takes rimm so upgrading that isn't an uption. which machine will likely do better for mythtv?

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notjustdave:

Hoxzer: do you have _any_ idea how easy it is to customise the main menu layouts? _any_ idea at all?!

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Hoxzer:

notjustdave: yes. I do

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notjustdave:

so get to it :)

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notjustdave:

we could use more menu themes. just slap it onto a ticket

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J-e-f-f-A:

larson9999: I'd scrounge around for a new mb for your P4 with ddr ram...

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Hoxzer:

notjustdave: I need to make them personal but wiki doesn't really tell me how :P

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Hoxzer:

notjustdave: I mean like private. Based ont he config dir...

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notjustdave:

Hoxzer: put the *.xml files in the .mythtv dir in your home dir

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notjustdave:

couldn't get more easy

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Hoxzer:

notjustdave: ok ... :/

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notjustdave:

as in mainmenu.xml, mediamenu.xml etc

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notjustdave:

reminds me I need to do that to get rid of 'watch tv' from the main menu again

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J-e-f-f-A:

larson9999: Although the 700 would do ok as a backend, especially for SD.

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larson9999:

J-e-f-f-A: my budget is gone for a while. around springtime i'll get a new machine and use one of the old machines for mythtv. assuming i get it working

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J-e-f-f-A:

larson9999: What's the video chipset on the P4?

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J-e-f-f-A:

larson9999: And are you trying to build a combined Fe/Be, or seperate Frontend / backend boxes?

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notjustdave:

larson9999: with a nvidia VGA card you can just about get away with 700–800Mhz on a frontend if you're not going to be doing any post-recording processing or software encoding

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notjustdave:

all I used to demo mythtv with at linux expos was an 800Mhz athlon box. copes really well with 512MB ram

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larson9999:

J-e-f-f-A: hey, the p4! that's where that nvidia card is. lemme get it.

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notjustdave:

Hoxzer: in /usr/share/mythtv there are a bunch of xml files. those xml files are for all the menus in mythtv (expect the inner setup screens, they're hard coded at the moment). just copy & paste / cut & paste between them. the order they appear in the xml file is how they come up onscreen

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notjustdave:

(or /usr/local/share/mythtv) ^^^

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notjustdave:

copy em to ~/.mythtv/ & edit like there's no tomorrow

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notjustdave:

if you use an editor that has xml highlighting you can't easily go wrong

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notjustdave:

and as long as you only edit the _copies_ you can't mess it up too bad either :)

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justdave:

lol

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Hoxzer:

notjustdave: done

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sebrock:

I cant seem to locate where MythVideo is storing the IMBD pictures... where is the setting for this?

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sebrock:

nevermind

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echoSMILE:

any body here has TechTrend budget S-1500 ?

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directhex:

i have a t-1500

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echoSMILE:

directhex you has linux?

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directhex:

evidently

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echoSMILE:

you use any cam?

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directhex:

yes

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echoSMILE:

how much cost that card?

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directhex:

the CI daughterboard is about £20, the main card is about £50. if memory serves

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echoSMILE:

more or less S-1500

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echoSMILE:

:)

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directhex:

yes, i just don't have satellite yet

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echoSMILE:

the CAM i use, depend of country/satellite my tv-company use right?

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directhex:

yes

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directhex:

in some cases, you can't legally use one

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directhex:

in others, your satellite company will sell you one happily

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echoSMILE:

but is allways possible right?

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echoSMILE:

*always

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xris:

echoSMILE: depends on the dvb card you use and how it deals with the CAM

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directhex:

technically possible? mostly. there are some edge cases where it's more trouble than it's worth

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xris:

soft CAM specifically doesn't work with mythtv

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sebrock:

I dont understand how to add music correctly to playlists in mythmusic, lets say I'm playing a record with a lot of different artist. How can I gather them all to the playlist?

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echoSMILE:

xris is what i'm look now.

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directhex:

e.g. it's technically possible to watch sky tv using an illegal NDS-capable CAM, but the viewer card will stop working within a few days due to evil sky technology

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echoSMILE:

directhex right

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echoSMILE:

directhex what are NDS-capable CAM ?

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blinx:

hey

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blinx:

I have two dvb cards and I want to change the order of them

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directhex:

a CAM which includes support for the NDS encryption scheme, used by news corp (e.g. sky)

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xris:

echoSMILE: generally, we tend to just discourage all talk of CAM stuff in here because there is no legal CAM in the US, where MythTV and this channel are hosted... There are other forums out there that are better sources of information, anyway (someone might msg one to you — I don't know what they are)

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blinx:

once the virtual dvbloopback and the budget-a

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blinx:

v

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sebrock:

is it not possible to add a record to a playlist, when the record includes different artists?

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directhex:

xris, this channel is hosted in many places at once, surely that's the point of irc?

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blinx:

but adapter0 is every time the budget-av module. I want to change that. Any ideas?

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directhex:

blinx, virtual loopback? using a softcam?

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xris:

directhex: freenode is based in the US

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blinx:

directhex: sasc-ng

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directhex:

blinx, fuck off, then \o/

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echoSMILE:

xris yeah i now.

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directhex:

echoSMILE, this would be a curiously well-timed example of what xris is talking about

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xris:

blinx: no talk of illegal stuff here.

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blinx:

directhex: any reason?

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sebrock:

LOL, how the hell do I add a record to the playlist?

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sebrock:

not very intuitive I must say

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directhex:

blinx, it's unsupported and illegal?

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sebrock:

I can add single songs from a record, but not the whole record

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xris:

sebrock: mythmusic?

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xris:

you should just be able to place a checkbox next to the whole album

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directhex:

isn't mythmusic some advanced core file generator?

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xris:

blinx: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC#Softcam

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sebrock:

xris yes

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blinx:

xris: hm, ok

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notjustdave:

hahahahaha. HAHAHAHA I just put a roaring fire in glass-wide. I hope it's pyrex glass-wide

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sebrock:

xris no, the just the one song gets played. Its a christmas compilation including a lot of different artists. But the record ID3-tag is the same for them all

[18:20:26]

sebrock:

everything is listed from Artist

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boardom:

Anyone have an idea why mythackend would hand on a system reboot, but then start up properly using init.d restart

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directhex:

boardom, a race condition on a required service (e.g. udev, mysql)

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xris:

sebrock: there's no "by album" view? odd... I haven't actually used mythmusic in months, I forget what it looks like.

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directhex:

networking, firewalling

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directhex:

lots of reasons

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sebrock:

no there is not here anyway

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sebrock:

I found this very strange aswell

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boardom:

directhex: It mirrors this post exactly almost http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /168853.html

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notjustdave:

hmm now where to put the fire?

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boardom:

no response on the list either

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sebrock:

when I filter it to current album nothing shows

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boardom:

directhex: Any idea what runlevel it should be in the init.d scripts? (ordering wise)

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directhex:

boardom, well after your networking, mysql, udev, and firewalling. but that's a very distro-specific question

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boardom:

ubuntu... but yeah..

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boardom:

I would expect an error message...

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sebrock:

my god mythmusic need development

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directhex:

boardom, try S24 at the earliest

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boardom:

yeah.. that's what it's at... i add $mysql / $network to required_start... still seems fishy

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boardom:

if there's no mysql connection, that should toss an error.. i'll bug it out a bit

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notjustdave:

see http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/glasswide.shtml folks. nice treat for the cold :)

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boardom:

ooh purty

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boardom:

OSD theme with that as well?

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boardom:

nm

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notjustdave:

the OSD isn't quite finished yet, but if you don't edit recordings you won't notice. I didnt notice til the other day

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boardom:

Ahh.. It's just a wide version eh? shoot.. I need a new tv

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boardom:

directhex: $mysql was missing in Required Start... weird. I probably had nodatabase in my -v option

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sebrock:

there must be a way to add music by album name and not artist???

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DaveMorris:

is there an easy way to add a avi to the mythtv database so it appears as a recording (in the menu for recording) as I missed an eps in a series and would like to add it in with the rest of the recordings

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larson9999:

phooey! with the nvidia card i get a black screen on watch tv, too :(

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iamlindoro:

sebrock, no, mythmusic sucks. Davemorris, myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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DaveMorris:

iamlindoro: that works for a single file

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iamlindoro:

so?

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iamlindoro:

unless that was a question in which case the answer is yes

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sebrock:

iamlindoro: what?

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DaveMorris:

yeah that was a question, I just missed off the ?

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iamlindoro:

sebrock: there must be a way to add music by album name and not artist???

[18:57:27]

sebrock:

so there is not?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, that's what I meant by "no."

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sebrock:

I notice if I play something and press filter then I can select tracks from current Album

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sebrock:

I thought that worked befode, maybe I'm wrong

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sebrock:

iamlindoro: so what do you use? I mean thats crazy?

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iamlindoro:

I try my damnedest not to use mythmusic at all

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iamlindoro:

and even then, I just use it for party music and stuff like that

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iamlindoro:

although there seems to be some recent developments towards improving it dramatically

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larson9999:

now i have the tuner back and it changes chanels. just only static

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sebrock:

well, I'm pretty sure I added music by album using the filter function before... maybe I was dreaming

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techqbert:

any mythtv users in here that have authority to recommend mythbuntu over mythdora to a ubuntu advocate, namely myself. I'd okay with editing text files, and different distros so I'm interested in mythdora. Mythdora's IRC channel is empty whereas mythbuntus has 50 occupants. mythdora's forums dominate though.

[19:04:43]

techqbert:

i'll add that the control center GUI in mythbuntu 7.10 does look great though

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sebrock:

I use mythbuntu and its pretty easy. Although mythmusic jist killed my feelings

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iamlindoro:

can't blame mythbuntu for mythmusic stinking

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iamlindoro:

anyway, if you use Ubuntu in general, MythBuntu is likely to be far easier for you

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sebrock:

I know

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sebrock:

but I'm in chock here

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Dr_willis:

Im using Mythbuntu right now. :)

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iamlindoro:

And anything that applies to myth on Ubuntu also applies to MythBuntu, and the Ubuntu Community Myth stuff is very very very good

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sebrock:

now it segfaulted aswell

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iamlindoro:

In fact, with gutsy, I notice that myth community docs just now say "Install MythBuntu." Heh.

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notjustdave:

ah bollocks. Westlife are on telly now. That's me not going out on the hoy tongiht then :P

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larson9999:

yay! i got a picture!

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techqbert:

sounds like the consensus is choose mythbuntu. will do. I'll also have to change the theme to retro however. mythdora has a cooler default theme

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justinh:

cooler/not cooler – all in the eye of the beholder

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Dr_willis:

i want 'readable/useable'

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Dr_willis:

Im getting old. and squinting at the screen across the room is bad for us old farts. :P

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larson9999:

Dr_willis: you still following me around?

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Dr_willis:

larson9999, Yep. :)

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hvesalai:

Hi, has anybody set up a multimedia keyboard (one with VolumeUp and VolumeDown buttons) to work with mythtv?

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Dr_willis:

Look behind you! :P

[19:18:10]

** justinh hands Dr_willis his reading goggles **

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hvesalai:

I tried to add Volume... buttons to keybindings but they refuse to work

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hvesalai:

any ideas?

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justinh:

remember to flip the +20 diopter thing down Dr_willis :)

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Dr_willis:

hvesalai, Hmm.. Mine worked.. but that was a functionof the window manager. on my system.

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larson9999:

hey, the 700mghz machine seems to be doing just fine watching and recording tv

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hvesalai:

yeah... the buttons work for me if I use a window manager

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Dr_willis:

Thers such varity in these keyboards these days.

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hvesalai:

but not when I have mythtv in ubuntu under the what-ever light-weight windowing manager

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Dr_willis:

Im not going to get into another 'use a window manager/I Dont want to use a windowmanager' argument today... :) heh heh...

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Dr_willis:

hvesalai, odd.. you mean the Mythubuntu default wundow manager?

[19:19:45]

hvesalai:

yeah

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hvesalai:

so if I log in with my own userid and use KDE, the Volume controls work

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Dr_willis:

I though that was xfce., or is it openbox now? i forget. Im using KDE with my Mythtv under Mythubuntu.

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hvesalai:

but if I let ubuntu autolog mythtv userid they don't work

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iamlindoro:

I think it's still xfce

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hvesalai:

let me see

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Dr_willis:

of course I dont autolog in as mythtv. You could set the mythtv user touse another wm. BUT i thought my keys did work with xfce

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hvesalai:

openbox it seems

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Dr_willis:

actually thers keys for the windowmanager/desktop. THEN you can set up the video player to have its own volume controll keys

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iamlindoro:

I stand corrected

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hvesalai:

So what I tried is I used mythweb to edit the keybindings and added VolumeUp there

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hvesalai:

it did not work, then I tried CTLR+A instead and it worked, so the problem is not in MythWeb binding page. Next I tried Aring (I have a finnish keyboard so I have these special keys) and that did not work either

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hvesalai:

so I think the problem is that something is squashing a whole lot of special keys

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larson9999:

now the only thing seems to be missing is i the programming. the channels are correct but all of the programs are unknown

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larson9999:

if this is the same Dr_willis he'll tell me how dumb i am so i'm motivated to fix in an unsuccessful attempt to prove him wrong

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hvesalai:

and it's not the wm, because if I run mythtvfrontend directly on top of X (without any wm) the problem is the same

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larson9999:

i'm really a deb vs rpm. i tried mythdora cause a friend said it worked for him. is mythbuntu ready for prime time?

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Dr_willis:

Ive had no problem with mythbuntu, I did convert the mythbuntu box into a fileserver/desktop/torrentgrabber machine also however. :)

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Dr_willis:

The Mythbuntu 'client/frontend' instalelr system also worked very well for me on a 2nd machine

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Dr_willis:

Im wondering how mythwebs keybindings alter the players keybondings, or the front end bindings..

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larson9999:

Dr_willis: alright, i'll give it a go next weekend. once my friends and family get wind of this, i'll be setting up mythtv boxes for months :)

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Dr_willis:

larson9999, the big issue now a days is getting decent tv listings. :(

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larson9999:

Dr_willis: yeah, so far they're all unknown.

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Dr_willis:

But from a clean system. i can get mythubuntu going in less then an hr. and thats taking breaks :)

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hvesalai:

Dr_willis: it says TV Frontend... and as I said, it works if I put some "normal" key there, such as CTRL+A

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hvesalai:

But it doesn't if I put "VolumeUp", "VolumeDown" or "VolumeMute"

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larson9999:

but for me, i don't care. i just want to record at a specific time and channel.

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larson9999:

and wanted the remote and pause tv. i'm a simple guy

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Dr_willis:

im so used to using . and / in my video players – thats what i got geexbox on the laptop setup to use. :)

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Dr_willis:

well off to shop.. bbl

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sebrock:

com on there must be a way to add a record to the playlist?

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sebrock:

ok how do I delete the music database?

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jams:

mv your audio collection out of the way and rescan. Then after the scan move it back.

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mindframe-:

anyone know of a good OTA HD antenna?

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mindframe-:

I'm looking for something pretty compact

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DapOrp:

can someone explain to me exactly what it is that lirc does?

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sebrock:

check wiki, its recieves IR signals

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mindframe-:

it interprets infra red signals to commands

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sebrock:

and translates it

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DapOrp:

k. that's kinda what a figured, i'm just confused by my twinhan remote I think. Cause it apparently sends out signals that get read as keyboard strokes. the problem is the computer either misinterprets or doesn't understand it's volume up and down buttons because when I manually try to assign the buttons in myth it thinks i'm pressing the same key.

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echoSMILE:

who has TT-budget S2–3200 pci card?

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echoSMILE:

>:

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echoSMILE:

:>

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BULLE:

echoSMILE: i bet you do!

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echoSMILE:

wanna bet?

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echoSMILE:

:P

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iamlindoro:

what are the odds that anyone's going to have your random xyz123 card? If you have a question, ask it and maybe someone can help you.

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echoSMILE:

i want know if that card works on linux :>

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iamlindoro:

then check at linuxtv

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BULLE:

check dvb homepage and wiki

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echoSMILE:

BULLE let me check. iamlindoro i see linuxtv and i don't see any info

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iamlindoro:

funny, I'm looking at a thread right now

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echoSMILE:

:>

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iamlindoro:

But hey, it's only in the first three google results for your card + linux

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iamlindoro:

so I can see how one might have missed it

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echoSMILE:

must learn use google

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echoSMILE:

sorry :P

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BULLE:

yeah, its hard and takes lots of training to learn how to type a question

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BULLE:

echoSMILE: train for 1 year, to google, then come back!

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FinnTux:

whats google?

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BULLE:

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FinnTux:

hehe

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FinnTux:

yötä*

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FinnTux:

one ä

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BULLE:

damn, its not easy to spell it =D

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FinnTux:

nope

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echoSMILE:

BULLE come on, i do both, google and irc

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echoSMILE:

PS: The Linux DVB-S2 API itself is not yet ready. Work is in progress,

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echoSMILE:

:)

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DapOrp:

FinnTux already knew that.

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DapOrp:

FinnTux is the one building it.

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echoSMILE:

ok man

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FinnTux:

excuse me?

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FinnTux:

I'm building what?

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echoSMILE:

DVB-S2 API say DapOrp

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FinnTux:

cool, I didn't know that..

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echoSMILE:

:x

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iamlindoro:

It's really irrelevant to the question you asked. You asked if it worked in Linux. The second result in a google search for your card provides patches AND a howto on how to make it work.

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Esotericisms:

I have transcoded a few of my dvd's into excellent quality, but on playback they do not fill the entire screen, there is like a 6" black border around them

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echoSMILE:

iamlindoro ok man. tks anyway

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iamlindoro:

Thanks anyway? Your card can *work*. What's the problem?

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echoSMILE:

iamlindoro no problem.

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echoSMILE:

tks <--

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Esotericisms:

can anyone help?

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iamlindoro:

Esotericisms, try running a ffmpeg -i filename on the transcoded file, let's see what resolution it output to

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iamlindoro:

actually, hang on

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iamlindoro:

I'll have you output a single frame and you can see if it looks wrong

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Esotericisms:

720x480, I have my mythtv running on DVI at 1920x1080, so I need to adjust the ripping settings then?

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iamlindoro:

No

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iamlindoro:

you don't rip to the output res, 720x480 is correct

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Esotericisms:

ok

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echoSMILE:

iamlindoro -> Experimental Support

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iamlindoro:

echoSmile, again, so?

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Esotericisms:

how can I correct the black border then? change the mplayer settings for playback?

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iamlindoro:

try -fs -zoom and depending on your monitor, -monitoraspect 16:9

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Esotericisms:

fs zoom is already there, I just looked on it

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Esotericisms:

what is the monitor aspect one? damn emot icons

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iamlindoro:

just sets correct aspect ratio

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iamlindoro:

also, try playing the file with internal player and see how that goes

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Esotericisms:

-monitoraspect=1920x1080?

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

-monitoraspect 16:9

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Esotericisms:

ah

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Esotericisms:

sorry

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Esotericisms:

gotcha,

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Esotericisms:

ok I will try both

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Esotericisms:

thanks for the heads up

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iamlindoro:

np

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Esotericisms:

and advice

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iamlindoro:

hold on

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iamlindoro:

I'll see if I can get you my mplayer line

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Esotericisms:

kk

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iamlindoro:

I use: mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv -monitoraspect 16:9 %s

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iamlindoro:

and I output to 1920x1080 as well.. have never seen your issue, but I truthfull don't rip with the internal ripper

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Esotericisms:

ah ok

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Esotericisms:

well I will give it a try

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Esotericisms:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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fysa:

I have to set -monitoraspect 16:9 for mplayer also for some reason.

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fysa:

it started with ubuntu (suse never needed it) with multiple screens setup in xorg.conf

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iamlindoro:

yeah, mine play fullscreen without it, but I've only ever seen horizontal bars, not all the way around

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iamlindoro:

although maybe I misunderstood and that's exactly what he was seeing

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iamlindoro:

in which case monitoraspect ought to work

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echoSMILE:

some recomended shop online to sell dvb products?

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BULLE:

dvbshop worked well for me

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echoSMILE:

(sorry that question not directly about mythTV – yet)

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echoSMILE:

BULLE tks

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BULLE:

i have only ordered from them once, but it all went well, took a few days only to get the goods, well packaged and so on

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BULLE:

so, atleast check them out, and see if their pricing is competitive, if so, consider ordering there imho

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echoSMILE:

BULLE yeah.

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echoSMILE:

BULLE you have some equipament to dvb?

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Esotericisms:

iamlindoro, how do you rip DVDs?

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Esotericisms:

I am defeinitely interested in better ways of doing things

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hachi:

hey... I'm searching for how to make mythfrontend play video in 4:3 aspect on a 1280x768 output... black bars on the sides

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hachi:

totally not seeing the option

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Esotericisms:

hachi, on what type of media?

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hachi:

w cycles through a bunch of things that are not it

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hachi:

which media are you talking about?

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hachi:

it's a video card

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iamlindoro:

esotericisms, I use HandBrake on my mac (also available for Windows)... really simple, but I don't think there's a linux version

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Esotericisms:

ok, do you transcode or compress?

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directhex:

hachi, WHAT video is playing in the wrong aspect?

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directhex:

recordings or mythvideo or what?

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iamlindoro:

Transcode to MP4 container, x.264/AAC

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hachi:

a mythtv recording? I think it's nuppelvideo format or something

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hachi:

I thought this was the mythtv channel

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iamlindoro:

Apparently handbrake has a linux CLI version, but I've never used it

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directhex:

press M, look at the aspect options

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hachi:

assumed mythtv would be the obvious default topic

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directhex:

hachi, your problem is common when people use mplayer via mythvideo, not in the regular recordings playback

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hachi:

none of those work

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hachi:

I have a 4:3 recording, and a 1280x768 display

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Esotericisms:

iamlindoro, whats the final size usually?

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hachi:

these all are for scaling 16:9 recordings to fit on displays

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iamlindoro:

completely customizable, I get fantastic quality with an output of about 1.5 GB

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iamlindoro:

but you can specify a file size, bitrate, etc.

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directhex:

i've never seen the internal player screw up as you describe. by 4:3 recordings are fine

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hachi:

are you displaying them in a resolution that is 4:3 ?

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hachi:

I'm sure they would be just fine on my screen if I was using a 4:3 resolution for rendering

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iamlindoro:

hachi, there are the aspect ration options, and a second set of zoom options (i think called "fill" or something?). Did you take a look at those?

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hachi:

yes, I did

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directhex:

hachi, a 26" widescreen lcd?

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hachi:

they're handled by the "w" key

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hachi:

the side of the screen doesn't matter, if you send a 4:3 signal to a TV it will usually display it in 4:3

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directhex:

no, it won't

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hachi:

but I'm sending a... 16:something-close-to-9 signal to my TV, which means that it shows it in that aspect ratio

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hachi:

sure it will

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Esotericisms:

sweet, thanks

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directhex:

i get black borders, as i should, on all 4:3 recordings

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directhex:

automatically

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hachi:

who's generating them?

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directhex:

mythtv's internal player is aware of the size (and aspect ratio) of the screen, and compensates

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hachi:

there is no option for 4:3 on 16:9 in the mythtv 'w' key selections

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hachi:

I can take pictures if you like to prove what I'm saying

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hachi:

or you could just believe me when I say none of the 5 options work

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iamlindoro:

You may need to set the aspect ratio of your screen in your xorg.conf

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directhex:

it should be done automatically. can you pastebin STDOUT from running mythfrontend?

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iamlindoro:

In order for the automagic bit to work properly

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Aspect_ratio

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hachi:

ahh, there

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** directhex has a hunch, will withhold it until he sees the requested output **

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hachi:

here's hoping you won't get it

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hachi:

cause maybe this will work

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mindframe-:

anyone using the apple trailers plugin?

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hachi:

directhex: mythfrontend is detecting the display size as 1024x768

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hachi:

well... damn, my video card seems to be scaling this or something

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hachi:

my tv says the current resolution is 1280x768, X claims it's running at 1024x768, and the config for X only has one resolution listed... 1280x768

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BULLE:

hachi: how do you check what resolution x is running at ?

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hachi:

I asked xdpyinfo

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hachi:

well, I ran that

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hachi:

and looked at the output, not asked

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BULLE:

does xwininfo and clicking on root window also tell you 1024x768 ?

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BULLE:

if so, i bet the tv stretches the 1024x768 to 1280x768 or something ?

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hachi:

or the video card is doing it

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hachi:

the TV says "1280x768" when it switches modes into X

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hachi:

yes, the root window is 1024x768

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BULLE:

so what happens if you config x to run at 1280x768 ?

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hachi:

it's configed to run at 1280x768

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hachi:

I said that

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hachi:

this happens

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hvesalai:

Got my problem with Volume Up/Down keys fixed

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k-man:

what do i have to do so i can eject a cd/dvd by pressing the button on the drive, even if the disk is mounted?

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hachi:

maybe I need a mode line, which would be annoying... cause this is DVI so timings are sorta a moot point

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hachi:

hahaha, refuses to claiming 'exceeds panel dimensions' :)

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HazzaUK:

how would you remove the black margins on intel drv (i945 chipset), output via s-video to TV. I'm guessing xrandr but unsure what to do after reading the man

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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edge:

can anybody offer a little help with my hauppauge 150 and my lirc system , i can't find the kernel module for which to modprobe to get this system to start

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black_Nightmare_:

I know I might sound weird but I had to ask if vga's three monitor id bit pins always travel the entire vga cable or not necessarily?

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** black_Nightmare_ is just trying to get a custom cable fashioned and was wondering about several pins, these three being them **

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xand:

##hardware/##electronics?

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xand:

oh he left.

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xand:

how upsettings

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xand:

-s

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Dibblah:

?

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andrewju:

Hi! Anybody awake? :)

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MethoS-:

when I register a tv-card to mythtv with mythtv-setup, the mythbackend doesn't want to start up anymore. the tv-card is a dvb-t stick, which is connected via USB and I am able to watch TV with it and kaffeine. but mythtv doesn't seem to be able to detect the stick correctly: it shows its name and so on, but it doesn't want me to search for channels. how can I fix this? (btw:I'm using gentoo x86_64)

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directhex:

hachi, my hunch was right then. woo

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hachi:

directhex: any ideas? I'm kinda lost on forcing X11 to do things :\

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hachi:

and #xorg is silent on the subject

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directhex:

hachi, which driver?

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hachi:

nv

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hachi:

manpage doesn't really say anything

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hachi:

and I can't use 'read-edid' to try and debug it :\

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Toxicity999:

Recordings playback randomly will speed up as if I'm fast forwarding, any ideas?

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directhex:

i can't advise on nv, i use the closed-source driver, which behaves differently

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hachi:

yeah, I could switch to the closed one

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directhex:

generally though, it's VERY common for LCD TVs to give defective EDID data

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hachi:

and start using opengl rendering

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hachi:

is opengl rendering good?

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directhex:

to test, shut down your X server, install "hwinfo", and run "hwinfo --monitor" as root

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hachi:

hwinfo? that's a new one

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directhex:

you might not need to kill X if you're lucky

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hachi:

it's not running right now anyways

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directhex:

but, for a practical example, my LV has a 1366x768 native resolution, and the EDID values report:

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directhex:

Max. Resolution: 1024x768

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directhex:

so i need to force the nvidia driver into using a custom modeline

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hachi:

mine says it'll do 1280x768 just fine

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directhex:

the EDID tells you that?

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hachi:

hwinfo says it

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hachi:

I tried using read-edid and it failed

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hachi:

but whatever

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directhex:

hm. pastebin your xorg.0.log

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hachi:

sure, one moment

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hachi:

also, what kind of TV do you have? I've got a sharp aquos

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hachi:

I'm wondering if I can drive it all the way to 1366x768 (or whatever my native width is)

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directhex:

it's a samsung. roma series, i believe

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hachi:

hmmm

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hachi:

is there a debian way to use hwinfo to setup the x config?

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hachi:

maybe it's smart enough to force it for me

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hachi:

xdebconfigurator... hee

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directhex:

i don't know of any such tools i'm afraid. because my EDID is garbage, i need to do things manually

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directhex:

and when the EDID is fine, i find the less i force in xorg.conf the better

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directhex:

i actually remove most autodetected values, it works better that way

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hachi:

blah... that thing cuts out the modes above 1024x768

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hachi:

I wonder what info it's using to detect that

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directhex:

what cuts out?

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hachi:

this xdebconfigurator, I tell it to use hwinfo to detect the monitor, and it says max res is 1024x768

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hachi:

oh, log, totally skipped that

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hachi:

http://hachi.kuiki.net/stuff/Xorg.0.log

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Toxicity999:

Bah, seriously, anyone have any info on this?

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directhex:

hachi, "nv" only supports valid VESA modes

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hachi:

fokkers :)

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directhex:

1280x768 is not a standard VESA resolution, hence is ignored

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bsdfox_:

why use the nv driver?

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hachi:

where did you find this out? I've been googlin

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directhex:

you can see how it's detected fully on the "Printing DDC gathered Modelines" section, but not in "Supported VESA Video Modes"

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Toxicity999:

Ah, let me rephrase that, apparently video of any sort randomly speeds up, so it must be something with the internal player as a whole.

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bsdfox_:

Toxicity999: might be a kernel timer issue

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Toxicity999:

nothing has changed.

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bsdfox_:

did you recently move to a tickless system or something?

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bsdfox_:

o

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Toxicity999:

Weird... it's been doing it on and off all day, not it seems cool.

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Toxicity999:

Wasn't IR interference as it didn't register on the OSD as FF

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Toxicity999:

Damn it, now it happens again.

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