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[00:22:30] lelik: dear all. Can I create video playlists in folders? If so, how?
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[00:29:08] Chris37879: Hey I have a question about the directv.pl script
[00:29:33] Chris37879: is it possible to run a virtual null modem on my pc and use a USB to USB cable to get connection?
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[00:38:59] black_Nightmare_: hey again
[00:40:31] black_Nightmare_: I know this might sound like a bit of strange question heh but any of you know about programmable keyboard/pad? (the x-key seem nice but I'm not sure about if it seem expensive or not so meh on that)
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[00:41:26] black_Nightmare_: eg $99.95usd just for *16* lousy keys on a simple piece of plastic .. or maybe its just me
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[00:41:43] bsdfox: anyone got advice on forcing mythtv to use dmix plugin for alsa?
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[00:42:12] directhex: bsdfox, set the correct output device?
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[00:48:51] Chris37879: is it possible to run a virtual null modem on my pc and use a USB to USB cable to get connection?
[00:48:54] bsdfox: yeah ALSA:default works
[00:49:02] bsdfox: weird that it's not an option by default
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[00:51:28] BULLE: bsdfox: yes it is
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[00:57:21] arod: anyone running mythtv on debian etch? I'd like to shutdown from within mythfrontend but when I quit I can only choose between "No" and "Yes. Exit now". no shutdown option at all
[00:58:06] directhex: arod, that's something i've been trying to get patched out for a while
[00:58:18] directhex: arod, myth automatically decides you may not shut down a combined back/front end
[00:58:59] arod: directhex, should I change distro?!
[00:59:16] directhex: arod, it's a mythtv issue. your distro is irrelevant
[00:59:17] arod: directhex, there are no overrides possible?
[00:59:28] directhex: arod, not in myth 0.20.2, no
[00:59:50] arod: directhex, so what does people do to shutdown?
[01:00:18] directhex: not using a combined backend/frontend
[01:00:26] directhex: or using a myth version with override support
[01:01:16] arod: Uhm. I have just one pc for that purpose. Should I compile something to enable override?
[01:01:27] directhex: that's one option
[01:01:37] GreyFoxx: It's a one line code change to allow it
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[01:02:02] arod: well, I'd like to use standard packages if possible
[01:02:23] arod: (and I'd like to use debian)
[01:02:54] GreyFoxx: Well, if you want 0.20.2 and you want a precompiled package you are sol
[01:03:10] GreyFoxx: if you use a packaged version of a recent svn trunk you can do it
[01:03:16] GreyFoxx: or compile your own 0.20.2
[01:03:51] directhex: it's fixed in 14327
[01:03:57] directhex: although using a patch i disagree with
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[01:04:39] directhex: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . itmenu1.diff is my version, which will apply against 0.20.2
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[01:13:49] Chris37879: Anyone here familiar with linux/mythtv/D1
[01:13:58] Chris37879: Anyone here familiar with linux/mythtv/D11
[01:14:13] fryfrog: black_Nightmare_: guess the 6xxx is to old :(
[01:14:26] fryfrog: black_Nightmare_: is there no cheapish 7xxxx (not 76 or 78)
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[01:16:54] Chris37879: Ok i have a USB to USB connection between my PC and D11... now is there a way to make a virtual nullmodem on my linux installation so that i can issue the commands using directv.pl over the usb cable?
[01:19:05] directhex: usb doesn't work like that
[01:19:12] fryfrog: i didn't know you could do that w/o blowing shit up
[01:19:22] black_Nightmare_: fryfrog you should see the price any ti series (yes thats the 4200 and so) go for.. $140+ listings unless you want to take on ebay instead where you probably can find them still cheap :p
[01:19:26] fryfrog: usb isn't meant to hook from host <-> host :/
[01:19:43] black_Nightmare_: fryfrog..true.. even usb pc-to-pc cables have a small circuit in middle yet
[01:19:53] directhex: fryfrog, correct. host-host is impossible
[01:20:09] fryfrog: unpossible!
[01:20:09] Chris37879: ok... so how can i make this work without buying a nullmodem
[01:20:24] fryfrog: Chris37879: sorry, i missed... what are you trying to do?
[01:20:39] directhex: fryfrog, channel changing to some undisclosed usb port on his stb
[01:21:13] fryfrog: instead of serial, ir blaster or firewire?
[01:21:21] Chris37879: right
[01:21:24] fryfrog: black_Nightmare_: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127203
[01:21:26] Chris37879: i have a D11
[01:21:32] directhex: frankly i want to know where he found a usb a-a cable
[01:21:42] fryfrog: $32 plus a $5 MIR if you aren't lazy
[01:21:51] fryfrog: directhex: i have one for an old wireless usb device :/
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[01:22:02] Chris37879: Radio Shack >.<
[01:22:13] directhex: fryfrog, my first mp3 player had one, along with a huge "NO NOT USE FOR PC-PC" warning
[01:22:36] fryfrog: black_Nightmare_: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130210 <-- $35 and another one with $5 MIR for the not-lazy
[01:22:53] fryfrog: i dunno why they didn't just put mini usb or the *other* big usb jack on em :p
[01:22:55] black_Nightmare_: fryfrog...here's one problem...
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[01:23:22] directhex: Chris37879, usb has a host and a device. always. you can't connect two hosts together directly
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[01:23:23] J-e-f-f-A: I have an el-cheapo 2.5" IDE -> USB enclosure that's got a USB A connector on it, along with an A-A cable...
[01:23:47] directhex: using A for devices is wrong and makes me want to punch a midget
[01:23:48] Chris37879: Right
[01:23:56] J-e-f-f-A: directhex: me too!
[01:24:00] fryfrog: Chris37879: do you know what the usb port is for on that box?
[01:24:12] fryfrog: some of them are disabled, most i think are for hooking a hard drive or usb key to
[01:24:13] black_Nightmare_: fryfrog go to http://www.newegg.com/Info/FAQDetail.aspx?Module=4 and scroll down to 'does newegg.com ship internationally?' and quit with newegg links :p
[01:24:23] fryfrog: maybe to store shows or play back pics
[01:24:27] fryfrog: zomg, you are not in USA?
[01:24:32] black_Nightmare_: no offense but newegg seem dumb to do that when almost everyone else have similar shelf items
[01:24:50] directhex: BEDTIMEZ!
[01:24:53] black_Nightmare_: only other one I know of is fwdept.com but thats more understandable..its a niche store
[01:24:56] Chris37879: From what I gather passing hex serial commands to the stb for changing channels and the like
[01:25:08] fryfrog: not sure what you mean :/
[01:25:53] Chris37879: well it can be done I was just wondering if instead of a physical nullmodem i could use a virtual one
[01:26:16] fryfrog: Chris37879: do you *know* this device can be controlled via usb? Do you have something that is ready to do it?
[01:26:45] directhex: fryfrog, it can be done, but only via serial emulation
[01:26:51] Chris37879: No... but on the myth wiki it has a how to on my stb box and manufacturer number
[01:27:03] fryfrog: oh, sorry, then i guess i was wrong!
[01:27:13] fryfrog: didn't know any of them can be controlled by usb
[01:27:21] ** BULLE puts a dumstrut on fryfrog **
[01:27:24] fryfrog: er, the usb port *on* the device, that is
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[01:27:38] Chris37879: and I'm trying to figure out how to do it by using some cables i have around the house
[01:28:40] directhex: Chris37879, you can't. remember the host-host impossibility? in this case, the host is the set-top box, the device is the usb serial port adapter. you don't have the circuitry required to pretend to be a device, ona host-only machine
[01:29:53] Chris37879: well lets say i get a serial connector... is there a nullmodem emulator for linux
[01:30:08] directhex: yes, lots
[01:30:19] J-e-f-f-A: Chris37879: You need a USB->Serial adapter, and a null-modem serial cable, plus a modified copy of directtv.pl (see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/160737 )
[01:30:37] directhex: a "null modem adapter" is just a serial cable with the wiring done a certain way
[01:30:40] Chris37879: I have the script
[01:30:41] J-e-f-f-A: Chris37879: You don't need a 'null modem emulator"
[01:30:54] J-e-f-f-A: ^^ Exactly
[01:30:56] directhex: nothing is emulated
[01:30:56] Chris37879: *sigh* ok
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[01:31:36] Chris37879: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Controll . . . atellite_STB
[01:31:42] J-e-f-f-A: Chris37879: A usb-Serial adapter can be had for $5 if you shop around (I bought 5 at a computer show)
[01:31:50] Chris37879: what i want to do is cut out the physical nullmodem
[01:32:05] directhex: how?
[01:32:18] J-e-f-f-A: Chris37879: And a null-modem cable can be bought pretty cheap too, or made.
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[01:32:34] Chris37879: ok made from what?
[01:32:37] fryfrog: just *buy* a null modem serial cable instead of a normal one
[01:32:42] fryfrog: *a cable*
[01:32:52] fryfrog: null modem just means that a couple pairs of wires are swapped
[01:32:59] fryfrog: it is like an xover network cable for example
[01:33:10] fryfrog: it is nothing special, just a few wires are swapped
[01:33:11] Chris37879: right but those are quite rare in a small town Radio Shack
[01:33:15] directhex: fryfrog, you could use a straight through rs232 cable and some well placed paperclips
[01:33:18] fryfrog: make one?
[01:33:26] fryfrog: or get a null modem dongle?
[01:34:23] J-e-f-f-A: Chris37879: Do you know how to solder?
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[01:34:38] Chris37879: a little...
[01:34:55] Chris37879: ok since i know what i need... in what order do i place it between my STB and PC
[01:35:07] fryfrog: the only order it can?
[01:35:15] fryfrog: i assume?
[01:35:27] fryfrog: i mean, it doesn't matter *where* you put a null modem "adapter" on a serial cable
[01:35:39] J-e-f-f-A: Chris37879: You need a null-modem cable (home-made, or bought), and a USB->Serial adapter that's compatible with your D11.
[01:35:41] fryfrog: and it doesn't matter which way around you plug a null modem serial cable, assuming it'll plug more than one way?
[01:36:19] Chris37879: the NullModem can plug in to the SerialPort on my laptop
[01:36:19] J-e-f-f-A: Chris37879: Plus the 'hacked' directtv.pl
[01:36:27] fryfrog: sure!
[01:36:47] fryfrog: assuming the backend is on there? or you always want it hooked up?
[01:36:48] Chris37879: I have that
[01:36:53] fryfrog: or just for testing?
[01:37:11] Chris37879: well it will be unhooked at times cause my laptop goe with me
[01:37:30] fryfrog: sorry, you are talking about your setup like we know it all by heart like you :)
[01:38:00] Chris37879: ok.... Direvtv D11–100 Reviever
[01:38:17] Chris37879: HP Pavilion ze4800 with 1 Serial and 2 usb
[01:38:18] fryfrog: well, how about.. is your laptop going to be your "backend"?
[01:39:25] clever: this new laptop of mine would be good for my frame grabber(cpu wise)
[01:39:38] clever: but dad needs it to do his work and pci cards dont fit into laptops that well:P
[01:39:45] fryfrog: hehe
[01:40:05] clever: i cant even get linux to boot atm(without touching the internal disk)
[01:40:19] clever: livecd drops to busybox and cant find the cd
[01:40:39] Chris37879: the laptop is going to use the directv.pl script to send serial commands to the STB
[01:40:44] clever: my thinclient on a usb enclosure was missing mass storage support and counldnt find the rootfs
[01:40:57] fryfrog: Chris37879: Hi, is your laptop going to be running *MYTHTV*?
[01:42:41] Chris37879: Not any time soon
[01:42:55] Chris37879: right now i just want it to communicate with my STB
[01:43:00] fryfrog: so what is the point of the *laptoP* which isn't going to be there much to do the STB control?
[01:43:03] fryfrog: ah, testing!
[01:43:06] fryfrog: a useful idea of usage
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[01:49:47] J-e-f-f-A: Do you think he 'got it'?
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[01:54:31] jmpdelos: are others having upnp problems with recent svn versions?
[01:55:11] jmpdelos: my dlink 320 and nero showtime used to be able to play recordings but don't find the current backend
[01:55:39] J-e-f-f-A: jmpdelos: For me, yes. Only the first uPNP device to connect seems to work.
[01:55:58] J-e-f-f-A: jmpdelos: But that's from a version about a month ago...
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[01:56:23] jmpdelos: the version I was running from a couple weeks ago seemed to work fine
[01:56:24] J-e-f-f-A: jmpdelos: I'm running 14698
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[02:09:51] jmpdelos: J-e-f-f-A: going back to 14698 for libmythupnp and fixing up a couple of interface changes does result in a working version for me — time to look at those diffs
[02:10:00] jmpdelos: J-e-f-f-A: thanks
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[02:11:25] J-e-f-f-A: jmpdelos: No problem...
[02:12:07] J-e-f-f-A: jmpdelos: So multiple uPNP clients work on with 14698 for you?
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[02:29:49] jmpdelos: J-e-f-f-A: I can definitely connect and browse from both the 320 and nero showtime on a windows box simultaneously
[02:30:32] jmpdelos: I'm currently unable to get showtime to actually show video, but I don't think that's a problem with the server but rather something I've misconfigured
[02:31:06] jmpdelos: I was having that problem before and know I figured it out at one point but don't remember what I was doing
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[02:56:49] J-e-f-f-A: jmpdelos: I find it easier to browse the recordings directory via samba and use VLC from a winblows pc.
[02:57:15] J-e-f-f-A: jmpdelos: Although you don't get the program names, just the channelid-time filenames...
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[03:01:40] xris: J-e-f-f-A: or you use mythrename.pl --link
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[03:02:35] jmpdelos: J-e-f-f-A: yeah — I'm not really concerned with looking at them from windows in general, but do care about the DSM-320 working
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[03:15:41] J-e-f-f-A: xris: Yeah, I was using that with a Pinnacle Showcenter network player – it's not upnp, but worked with a free server called "SwissCenter". Worked well...
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[03:53:56] larzen: does anyone know why "watch tv" doesnt come up on the list when I run mythfrontend?
[03:56:05] JThundley: how'd you do that? I'd love to get rid of mine...
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[03:57:58] LotharTBL: hello all, Here is my new problem. I have all of my music and recorded movies on an NSF drive attached and setup on my backend. How do I get my front end to see them?
[03:58:00] iamlindoro: Simple as editing the xml files to remove it
[03:59:02] iamlindoro: lothartbl, just mount it on the frontend an edit the settings in frontend to point at the mountpoints...
[03:59:34] LotharTBL: ok got you, didn't even consider that Doh!
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[04:18:50] larzen: when the mythtv front-end starts up.. I dont get any sound...
[04:19:07] larzen: the startup "log" says "Opening OSS audio device ''"
[04:19:10] DapOrp: anyone here using myth with a twinhan 102g USB remote?
[04:19:12] larzen: i only have ALSA
[04:19:30] larzen: any idea where I specify ALSA?
[04:19:47] JThundley: I've seen it in the settings somewhere
[04:19:47] jmpdelos: in the frontend general settings
[04:19:49] JThundley: in mythfrontend
[04:19:54] DapOrp: larzen: in mythfrontend it's in the settings menu.
[04:20:03] JThundley: slowpoke
[04:20:52] larzen: I don't have "Settings"
[04:21:07] larzen: I have "utilities / setup"
[04:21:27] ** JThundley facepalms **
[04:21:27] jmpdelos: utilities/setup then setup then general
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[04:25:46] larzen: jmpdelos I dont have those!
[04:25:55] larzen: nm!
[04:26:02] larzen: i do.
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[04:27:03] DapOrp: how is mythtv supposed to interact with lirc? I went through this elaborate setup deal for it to make lirc understand my stupid cheap remote, but it still won't work. is there something else I have to do in myth itself?
[04:28:20] LotharTBL: ok, I tried to mount the filesystems on the mythtv front end. They mounted perfectly on the backend server. I used the same syntax to moun tthem on the front end and am getting wrong fs or I need a helper application?
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[04:52:44] Tanthrix: Anyone know what the "This showing will not be recorded because this episode will be recorded on a different channel at this time." message means?
[04:54:02] Tanthrix: It's appearing on an episode of "This Old House," a series I have set to record at any time on any channel. Nothing else is recording at this time or around this time, and this particular episode is not airing at any time in the future that myth knows about
[04:54:18] Agrajag-: check teh backend status page?
[04:54:26] Agrajag-: see what it thinks for upcoming recordings
[04:55:04] LotharTBL: Can't get my music and video file directories to mount http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/2684/
[04:55:18] Tanthrix: Agrajag-: Backend status page?
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[04:55:57] Agrajag-: Tanthrix: if you have mythweb installed its on the status page somewhere, otherwise just look for backend status from one of the menus in mythfrontend
[04:56:04] Agrajag-: can't remember exactly where, but it's there
[04:56:41] RyeBrye: Any british people in here?
[04:56:42] Tanthrix: No mythweb installed, and the only status info I'm aware of is in the information center, and it doesn't have info on upcoming recordings
[04:57:01] Tanthrix: Only the "Upcoming Recordings" page has that info, as far as I know
[04:57:14] Agrajag-: does that page list anything?
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[04:57:39] larzen: I need to find some kick-ass themese for Myth.. can anyone point me to a place?
[04:57:42] larzen: themes
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[04:57:53] levander: What's this OpenGL vsync thing I keep seeing mentioned around?
[04:57:57] Tanthrix: Agrajag-: Aye, it just shows it as whited out, marked as "O" and "Record Other Showing"
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[04:58:20] levander: larzen: All I know is one called metallurgy is available for the next release of Myth. Think you have to run out of SVN if you want to use it now.
[04:58:53] tgow: how much effort is involved w/ getting IR blasting to work, assuming I already have the required hardware ?
[04:59:14] Tanthrix: Agrajag-: Wait a sec. This is weird.
[04:59:30] levander: larzen: Also, if you're running a debian based distro, you've checked out the mythtv-themes package?
[04:59:45] larzen: levander – im running Gentoo
[04:59:51] larzen: there is a "user themes" package too
[04:59:58] Tanthrix: Agrajag-: On the "Upcoming Recordings" page it's marked as to be recorded. It's only when I pull up the "Upcoming Episodes" for "This Old House" that I see the record other showing bit. Must be a bug.
[05:00:18] tgow: also, if I don't order HD but only have cable will an HD tuner still be able to find the standard (nbc, cbs, etc) channels in HD via QAM?
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[05:02:53] levander: larzen: These are the ones in the Ubuntu mythtv-themes package: Gray-OSD isthmus Iulius Iulius-OSD Minimalist-wide MythCenter MythCenter-wide Retro Retro-OSD Titivillus Titivillus-OSD
[05:02:53] levander: No one knows the "OpenGL vsync" is?
[05:02:53] RyeBrye: nope
[05:02:53] RyeBrye: Probably vertical syncing or something, but no clue what else it does
[05:02:54] Tanthrix: levander: It uses GL for timing, instead of the other options
[05:02:54] Tanthrix: levander: As in, the timing of when to draw video frames on the screen.
[05:02:54] Tanthrix: levander: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frame_display_timing
[05:02:54] levander: Tanthrix: And, it's just that GL does it better than the other options? That's why everyone says to turn it on?
[05:03:03] levander: Tanthrix: I'm reading now, thanks.
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[05:03:36] RyeBrye: tgow – if those HD channels are clear QAM I don't see why it wouldn't be able to
[05:03:36] jmpdelos: J-e-f-f-A: 15051 is what breaks upnp but I don't see why
[05:03:48] levander: tgow: I'm guessing that depends on how your cable provider does things.
[05:03:55] Tanthrix: levander: Basically, if you have tearing, you might want to play around with it. If you don't, there's no need to mess with it.
[05:04:09] tgow: RyeBrye, that's what I thought. i imagine comcast is encrypting them. i only see some ondemand and sports stuff on QAM 64 or 256
[05:04:19] levander: Tanthrix: okay, what's tearing?
[05:04:31] tgow: it's a shame is's so hard to find out what is available w/ just a QAM tuner
[05:05:01] levander: tgow: The cable companies don't want us doing what we're doing. They want to control it all on a proprietary basis.
[05:05:11] larzen: here is a question.. when shows are recorded.. they are recorded in mpg2 (i have a pvr-500) .. is it possible to code them directly to mpeg4 ?
[05:05:17] tgow: i'm sure! bastards! :(
[05:05:26] larzen: (or.. xvid )
[05:05:49] RyeBrye: tgow – you could get a TV with a built-in QAM tuner and test it out :)
[05:05:51] levander: larzen: No idea, but you're aware encoding mpeg4 takes a lot more CPU? Maybe you've got enough CPU?
[05:05:53] Tanthrix: levander: Take a look at the wiki page. It shows a visual example.
[05:05:54] tgow: hah
[05:06:04] tgow: RyeBrye, i have the pcHDTV tuner
[05:06:06] RyeBrye: Go buy one from Circuit City, plug it in, test it out, decide you don't want it, and return it before your 30 days is up
[05:06:08] levander: Tanthrix: thanks, I do have that page up, still looking at it
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[05:06:15] larzen: levander – I have a dual xeon 3.2 ghz, 4 gb ram
[05:06:24] levander: larzen: Yeah, that would be enough.
[05:06:29] Tanthrix: levander: Basically, the result is that individual frames aren't timed properly, so you get part of one frame and part of another displayed at the same time
[05:06:44] tgow: i can see some HD, but it's all very random
[05:06:53] RyeBrye: yeah, comcast sucks
[05:06:53] levander: Tanthrix: Well, don't think I have that. But still am going to read about it.
[05:06:57] tgow: other peoples OnDemand and whatnot.
[05:06:59] RyeBrye: some comcasts are good, but most sucks
[05:07:03] RyeBrye: That's really strange
[05:07:09] larzen: lev – there is a 4 300gb scsi3200 promise raid too...
[05:07:10] tgow: i have an ex-adelphia set up
[05:07:18] Tanthrix: tgow: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Digital_Cable <--- That page gives you the low down on what your options are for HD / digital recording. In short, not many.
[05:07:26] tgow: ya
[05:07:30] larzen: im basically piggybacking on an old data-crunching server that I brought from work.
[05:07:31] Tanthrix: levander: Any particular reason that you're looking into timing?
[05:07:32] levander: larzen: Why do you have such a powerful MythTV box? You don't have better things to spend money on?
[05:07:54] levander: Tanthrix: I'm just trying to optimize my Myth box as much as possible before I put it in the living room.
[05:07:58] tgow: Tanthrix, i gather that :) i guess i might pay for HD and get ir-blasting working
[05:08:02] larzen: lev – I get the old hardware out of our server rooom.. ;)
[05:08:10] Tanthrix: levander: Ahh, I see.
[05:08:16] levander: Tanthrix: I've just seen people say to turn on OpenGL vsync around quite a bit. Thought I'd read about it.
[05:08:43] levander: larzen: You should be making a killing on Ebay.
[05:08:47] RyeBrye: That wiki page on digital cable doesn't mention the HD Homerun
[05:08:48] tgow: i have a PVR-150 that works well
[05:08:50] Tanthrix: tgow: If you're using firewire then you probably won't need an irblaster. If you're not using firewire, then you won't be able to do HD.
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[05:09:12] Tanthrix: tgow: With a cable box, that is. Still can get your OTA channels over QAM.
[05:09:28] tgow: Tanthrix, ya, QAM is rough to get working right it seems
[05:09:51] Tanthrix: Really it all comes down to encryption.
[05:09:59] tgow: Tanthrix, i'm wondering about testing out 1394
[05:10:00] tgow: :)
[05:10:21] tgow: assuming the box has a port
[05:10:28] Tanthrix: RyeBrye: I wrote that page to give a general overview of what your options are with regards to digital cable and encryption, not to provide a list of digital tuners.
[05:11:02] tgow: Tanthrix, so i could just do firewire port to firewire port for control and HD data (to watch) since it's just mpeg2, yes?
[05:11:43] Tanthrix: If you have HD service, they must provide you with a box that has one by law.
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[05:12:28] Tanthrix: tgow: That's the idea.
[05:12:33] tgow: cool!
[05:12:44] tgow: finally a law that's cool!
[05:13:07] Tanthrix: tgow: But, like QAM, you're totally at the mercy of the cable company. You might not get anything over firewire at all, expect the OTA channels, making your box worthless to myth.
[05:13:21] tgow: damnit
[05:13:27] tgow: i figured, tho
[05:13:29] Tanthrix: tgow: You should read that whole wiki page carefully before doing anything. It explains all of this in detail.
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[05:13:45] tgow: ya, i'm reading it now. i already have my box built
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[05:15:12] tgow: Tanthrix, i will likely try for OTA w/ the HD tuner and just do irblast + STB to my pvr150. it should still look better than SD, iwould imagine.
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[05:16:49] Tanthrix: tgow: As long as it's S-video out, then yes, it should look better.
[05:17:09] tgow: Tanthrix, from what i read that's what i figured out (so far) :)
[05:17:55] tgow: so besides testing it there is no real way to know for sure if it's QAM 64 vs 128 vs 256 etc for unencrypted channels?
[05:18:10] tgow: it seems to be 'hidden from view' so to speak.
[05:18:23] levander: For the same given resolution, does component look better than S-Video?
[05:18:32] levander: noticeably better?
[05:18:34] tgow: levander, from what i read yes
[05:18:50] tgow: maybe not noticeably
[05:18:57] tgow: depends on your eyes, i think :)
[05:19:00] Tanthrix: levander: There's more than just resolution to consider. Interlacing is another issue.
[05:19:44] levander: So they are both outputting 480i (which is the highhest my TV can accept), which S-Video look noticeably better than component?
[05:19:46] Tanthrix: levander: S-video can't do 480p, where as component can. Technically the same resolution, but progressive will always look better.
[05:20:16] Tanthrix: levander: In that case, I'm not sure. I suspect the difference would come down to individual TV variation and size.
[05:20:34] levander: Maybe I'll take the time to hook them both up and see...
[05:20:51] Tanthrix: levander: You're sure your TV has component input? Are you sure you're not referring to composite?
[05:21:01] levander: Yeah, component.
[05:21:15] Tanthrix: Never seen a TV that can only do 480i but has component inputs. Almost always they're 480p or higher
[05:22:14] levander: Tanthrix: before "progressive scan" DVD players were big, lots of TV's did 480i and had component inputs.
[05:22:21] tgow: thanks y'all ...
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[05:22:42] Tanthrix: levander: Anyway, s-video separates the signal more than composite, and component separates the signals more than component, so I would suspect that component will be equal or slightly better than s-video on a 480i set
[05:22:59] levander: Tanthrix: Okay, maybe I'll hook it up and see.
[05:23:00] Tanthrix: levander: Hardly seems worth the bother!
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[06:20:34] CyberDoo: I'm using Knoppmyth 5R27 and my backend keeps crashing with a Illegal Instruction error right before which is a line that says Reschedule requested for id -1.
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[06:32:52] mr|venm: has anyone here been able to compile lirc_mod_mce?
[06:33:06] larzen: ok I got a myth front end running...
[06:33:18] larzen: but I cannot for the life of me seem to be able to connect to the damned mysql DB!!!
[06:35:42] CyberDoo: Larzen, what version are you running?
[06:35:50] larzen: of mysql?
[06:35:52] larzen: or myth?
[06:36:08] CyberDoo: Myth.
[06:36:50] CyberDoo: Are both your backend and frontend on the same machine?
[06:37:38] larzen: CyberDoo – i am running 0.20.20070921–1
[06:37:47] larzen: nope..
[06:37:57] larzen: the myth frontend is xbmc-mythtv
[06:38:14] larzen: everything else seems to be OK except for "unable to connect to mysql"
[06:38:57] CyberDoo: Can you manually connected to the database through the mysql client program?
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[06:42:29] larzen: CyberDoo – yes, testing this now.
[06:44:43] larzen: yep I can
[06:44:50] larzen: from a different box yet..
[06:44:53] larzen: not sure what the deal is
[06:47:01] CyberDoo: Okay, if you can access the database from both the local machine and the remote machine, then check the username, password, and database of mythtv-setup and your frontend and make sure they all match the username and password.
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[06:51:03] mr|venm: can someone help me figure out how to compile lirc_mod_mce, it seems to be compiled ok, but its throwing some errors around dmesg.
[06:51:08] mr|venm: has anyone gotten it working?
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[06:52:11] mchou: umm, is it just me, or does faac encoded audio files sound extremely bad?
[06:52:34] mr|venm: mchou: probably how they were encoded.
[06:52:37] mchou: it's almost unbearable to listen to
[06:52:44] mr|venm: faac is AAC, just ffmpeg's implementation of it
[06:53:00] mchou: mr|venm: that's what I mean, implementaion is bad
[06:53:10] mr|venm: what are you converting to aac?
[06:53:12] mr|venm: and what command are you using
[06:53:15] mchou: implementation*
[06:53:24] mchou: gimme one sec
[06:53:38] mchou: It's a classical CD
[06:53:58] mr|venm: are you using a gui?
[06:54:05] mr|venm: or are you using a command?
[06:54:25] mchou: the gui is sound-juicer, but it uses command line
[06:55:14] mchou: it uses the gstreamer pipeline
[06:55:15] mr|venm: eh
[06:55:21] mr|venm: oh, i don't know then
[06:55:27] mchou: "int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! faac ! ffmux_mp4"
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[06:55:44] mr|venm: clearly this is a bitrate issue, if it sounds like shit
[06:55:58] mr|venm: is there a bitrate anywhere there?
[06:56:32] mchou: "audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! faac ! ffmux_mp4"
[06:57:33] mr|venm: ...
[06:57:41] mr|venm: doesnt say anthting about the bitrate
[06:57:56] mr|venm: ok so this audio cd you have... is it on your hard drive already/
[06:58:16] mchou: this is a hard copy CD
[06:58:26] mr|venm: and its in the drive, right?
[06:58:36] mchou: frigging mp3 sounds better than this crap
[06:58:47] mchou: yup, it's in the drive
[06:59:05] larzen: here is another problem.. i dont see channel icons
[06:59:28] larzen: i enabled the menu option...but when I go into the db I see "none" by each of the icons
[06:59:30] larzen: any ideas?
[06:59:31] mr|venm: mchou: you should run cdda2wav to get your wav files on the hard drive first.
[07:00:21] mchou: mr|venm: lemme see what mplayer says the bit rate is.....
[07:00:34] mr|venm: then its as simple as running: ffmpeg -i file.wav -ab 192 -ar 44100 -ac 2 -acodec faac -y file.aac
[07:00:55] mr|venm: mchou: you should use flac.
[07:01:23] mr|venm: can someone help me figure out how to compile lirc_mod_mce, it seems to be compiled ok, but its throwing some errors around dmesg.
[07:01:31] mchou: dont want to get into religious war over which codec to use
[07:01:54] mchou: no reason aac should sound like shit is my point though
[07:02:38] mchou: lol
[07:02:56] mchou: mplayer thinks bit rate is 128kbps
[07:03:32] mr|venm: meh
[07:03:35] mchou: that's crazy
[07:03:38] mr|venm: i dont know, your encoder sucks
[07:04:07] mchou: I'm using the same encoder just like anyone else is using on linux
[07:04:36] mchou: I'm not the first to complain about about poor faad encode quality on linux
[07:04:53] mchou: do a google search, and you'll see what I mean
[07:05:20] mchou: I meant faac, not faad
[07:06:47] mr|venm: you're using retarded gstreamer to encode files
[07:06:50] mr|venm: use ffmpeg directly.
[07:07:56] larzen: has anyone experienced this problem of missing icons?
[07:08:43] mr|venm: mchou?
[07:08:55] mchou: mr|venm: what?
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[07:34:53] larzen: ok.. so..
[07:35:03] larzen: XBMC mytv doesnt want to connect.. Database object has no attribute "conn" xbmc
[07:35:16] larzen: does anyone know what that means?
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[08:02:43] neoalex: hi guys does anyone know of a network PAL tv tuner
[08:04:02] Dibblah: No.
[08:04:12] Dibblah: As in "it doesn't exist".
[08:05:01] clever: could just have a box with a pal card and a network streamer
[08:05:07] clever: but then whats the point of having it in a seperate box
[08:06:49] neoalex: actually one does exist, the PAL slingbox UK version of the classic slingbox
[08:06:56] neoalex: but I can't find it anywhere
[08:07:25] neoalex: clever: I know, but I was trying to avoid that
[08:07:52] neoalex: clever: because I want to have it in a separate country
[08:08:20] neoalex: I want to stream TV from my home country all the way here
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[08:15:19] clever: neoalex: you could have a full myth server in 1 place and move the files over
[08:15:53] clever: when i went on a vacation i took a mythfrontend and turned it into a slave file serving backend
[08:15:53] clever: and moved the nuv's over to it thru the web
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[08:55:22] Matrix9: When you run mc.sql batch file, does it create any tables? cause right now the database is there but it is empty
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[09:04:28] clever: Matrix9: the mc.sql i beleive is made to create all the tables
[09:04:39] clever: if your not getting them then something is having an error
[09:05:18] Matrix9: no i found out the reason why, didn't have qt-mysql loaded up.
[09:05:43] clever: ah:)
[09:16:44] Matrix9: Thanks for the suggestion though :)
[09:16:52] Matrix9: well i better go to sleep, goodnight
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[09:47:27] sslashes_: any idea why both tuners would display as "unavailable" in the status menu when they are not recording anything?
[09:47:40] sslashes_: (this is after I moved my server to a new location)
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[09:48:54] sslashes_: also, any idea when mythtv-setup would restart x server after doing through the database config screens (effectivly not allowing me to get to the configuration menus)?
[09:49:21] justinh: as a first guess I'd say it's broken
[09:49:38] sslashes_: clever
[09:49:40] justinh: are you starting it from a terminal?
[09:49:56] sslashes_: i am starting it using an xfce4 Autostart file
[09:50:21] justinh: start a terminal instead, then run mythtv-setup from that
[09:50:26] sslashes_: but when i run mythtv-setup, i am doing that from a terminal
[09:50:51] justinh: I think you're really starting mythfrontend in the xfce4 autostart file, not mythtv-setup
[09:51:30] justinh: until I know everything works ok I don't make mythfrontend autostart when X starts
[09:51:42] sslashes_: in system status, it simply says "Tuner 1 is unsvailable" and "Tuner 2 is unavailable"
[09:51:58] sslashes_: well – it *did* work ok, then i moved locations, and when i started it up again, it did not
[09:52:12] justinh: did the machine's hostname change by any chance?
[09:52:17] sslashes_: nope
[09:52:31] justinh: absolutely sure of that?
[09:52:33] Dibblah: IP address?
[09:52:56] Dibblah: Did the IP address change?
[09:53:04] sslashes_: yeah, the ip did
[09:53:21] sslashes_: but i *know* the hostname did not
[09:53:26] Dibblah: Make sure that the master backend and this backend IP addresses match in mythtv-setup.
[09:53:37] sslashes_: i cannot start mythtv0setup
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[09:53:58] sslashes_: when i do, it asks for the database settings, and after the last database settings screen it restarts x for some reason
[09:54:09] sslashes_: before it gets to the configuration entries
[09:54:17] Dibblah: "restarts X" meaning?
[09:54:43] justinh: dynamic IP addresses on a home network can be a nightmare unless you have the DHCP server give out known IPs for a MAC ID
[09:54:59] sslashes_: it kills the running x server, goes back to gdm, and then autologs on again
[09:55:11] justinh: Dibblah: I expect it's mythfrontend crashing, not mythtv-setup
[09:55:34] justinh: when you first run mythfrontend it asks for information about language, and where the db lives
[09:55:48] sslashes_: are you asking about mythtv-setup?
[09:56:07] justinh: sslashes_: if you have mythtv-setup in an autostart file, remove it
[09:56:17] justinh: you don't need it to auto-run
[09:56:19] sslashes_: i don't, i have mythfrontend
[09:56:25] Dibblah: sslashes_: Can you start your desktop environment normally, WITHOUT any auto-starting at all?
[09:56:29] sslashes_: ok – back up a minute
[09:56:32] sslashes_: yes
[09:56:38] Dibblah: Right. Do that.
[09:56:41] sslashes_: i have
[09:56:42] justinh: remove it anyway, it's only going to get in the way til you have everything working
[09:56:47] Dibblah: Simplify things :)
[09:57:04] justinh: open a terminal & run mythtv-setup
[09:57:17] Dibblah: justinh: If it's killing X,...
[09:57:24] Dibblah: that's not going to tell you a lot.
[09:57:30] justinh: Dibblah: shouldn't be killing X
[09:57:38] justinh: shouldn't be capable of killing X
[09:57:40] Dibblah: Yes, I'm aware of that.
[09:57:46] Dibblah: Actually, it can.
[09:57:47] Dibblah: Ish.
[09:57:49] Dibblah: OOM.
[09:58:02] Dibblah: sslashes_: Do you have any swap on this machine?
[09:58:38] sslashes_: Dibblah: yeah
[09:58:50] justinh: I can imagine if mythfrontend autostarts & can't connect to the database it might segfaul in some scenarios
[09:58:57] Dibblah: What theme are you using / have you changed it recently?
[09:59:06] sslashes_: not recnelty / Retro
[09:59:45] Dibblah: sslashes_: Do you have another machine you can ssh into the Myth box from?
[10:00:14] sslashes_: the main differences in this setup – 1) fullscreen (used to be windows) 2) Resolution (used to be 800x600, is now 1600x1200) 3) ip address (but /etc/hosts points the new ip to the same hostname) 4) not much else
[10:00:15] justinh: is the machine a combined frontend/backend?
[10:00:19] sslashes_: yes
[10:00:21] sslashes_: yes
[10:00:29] Dibblah: Aha.
[10:00:33] Dibblah: Resolution.
[10:00:37] sslashes_: ?
[10:00:56] justinh: why not just make the master backend IP and 'backend ip address' the same – i.e. the default of 127.0.0.1 ?
[10:01:07] Dibblah: Try it with 800x600 and see what happens.
[10:01:14] justinh: there's no sense in changing those especially if you're using dynamic IP addresses
[10:01:31] justinh: mythtv-setup -geometry 800x600
[10:01:31] sslashes_: cause at one point the backend and frontend were on different machines – but that was a long time ago
[10:01:45] sslashes_: ok, give me a sec
[10:01:59] Dibblah: sslashes_: I assume you're not using hostnames in the IP addresses in mythtv-setup?
[10:02:14] Dibblah: ... Because that won't work.
[10:02:17] justinh: I don't think you can use hostnames
[10:02:29] justinh: that's why it says _IP_ _ADDRESS_ ;)
[10:02:40] Dibblah: Actually, I know that.
[10:02:57] Dibblah: And was rather bemused by the last 2 attempts to change it.
[10:03:12] Dibblah: Bemused that they didn't succeed, I mean.
[10:03:14] justinh: I did wonder for a while because I saw some people talking about using hostnames once, so I tried it
[10:03:31] Dibblah: Can't work – Doesn't go through the resolver.
[10:03:46] sslashes_: no, i am not using a hostname there
[10:04:09] sslashes_: hmm... mythtv-setup ignores my -geometry option...
[10:04:21] justinh: it shouldn't
[10:04:34] sslashes_: heh, i assume such :)
[10:05:17] justinh: see if it changes theme with -O Theme="G.A.N.T."
[10:05:31] sslashes_: justinh: the setup or frontend?
[10:05:37] justinh: mythtv-setup
[10:05:47] justinh: it should obey the same directives as mythfrontend
[10:06:09] justinh: how much ram does the machine have anyway?
[10:06:19] jduggan: <3 g.a.n.t
[10:06:22] sslashes_: is there any way for mythtv-setup to create a log file?
[10:06:43] justinh: yeah if you redirect stdout to a file
[10:07:19] Dibblah: Who is Chris Birkinshaw in-real-life, I wonder.
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[10:07:26] sslashes_: a gig of ram
[10:07:28] Dibblah: "not at liberty to disclose"...
[10:08:03] justinh: Dibblah:  ??
[10:08:25] Dibblah: Latest -dev mail.
[10:08:49] ** justinh wonders how his bad news was taken yesterday **
[10:09:11] jduggan: what bad news was that?
[10:09:16] sslashes_: it does not change its theme
[10:09:28] ** sslashes_ is so confused by this **
[10:10:02] Dibblah: sslashes_: Go back through what you've changed and try un-changing it.
[10:10:11] Dibblah: I would suggest resolution first.
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[10:10:32] justinh: jduggan: the bad news that backwards compatability in themes is long gone, baby
[10:11:11] sslashes_: mythtv-setup exists with "Failed to init MythContext, exiting.
[10:11:16] justinh: anybody trying to maintain a single version for trunk and the release version is going to run into bad voodoo :P
[10:11:57] Dibblah: sslashes_: Pastebin a bigger chunk of the output.
[10:13:37] justinh: jduggan: that, and some 'themes' will be getting pulled out of trunk soon. just a matter of deciding which
[10:14:45] jduggan: ic
[10:14:49] jduggan: interesting
[10:15:26] justinh: I don't really care which but my maintenance workload dictates that some have to go
[10:16:25] sslashes_: not Retro!
[10:16:28] sslashes_: ;)
[10:16:29] justinh: and by that I mean either blootube, blootube-wide, blootubelite-wide, projectgrayhem, projectgrayhem-wide
[10:16:35] justinh: or neon-wide
[10:16:43] justinh: or any combination of the above
[10:17:30] justinh: so many themes don't even deserve to be called themes IMHO – changing a background and one menu does not a new theme make
[10:18:27] jduggan: i like blootube
[10:18:37] justinh: I hate blootube. next
[10:18:42] jduggan: lol
[10:19:10] jduggan: ok, blootube-wide i mean, should that make a difference
[10:19:35] jduggan: pull the 4:3 for a start
[10:19:38] jduggan: ;]
[10:19:49] justinh: it's 'ok' that one. needs some new non-sucky watermark graphics though
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[10:20:13] jblack: Hi. :)
[10:21:21] jblack: I seem to have a conexant chipset that is unknown to the cx-blackbird driver (Yes, I have the firmware). lspci -v reports "Multimedia video controller: Conexant Unknown device 8880 (rev 0f) Subsystem: Avermedia Technologies Inc Unknown device d439"
[10:21:28] jblack: Any suggestions?
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[10:24:31] justinh: jblack: other than make a sacrifice at the altar of v4l, no
[10:25:04] jblack: what kind of bodily fluid does that take?
[10:25:13] pat_: cranial fluid
[10:25:25] justinh: search the v4l mailing list archives, and/or email the v4l mailing list with your question & wait patiently.
[10:25:40] ** jblack swears at the manufacturer for replacing a perfectly good pci slot with some sort of mini-slot **
[10:25:59] jblack: Presumably the list is indexed by google?
[10:26:05] justinh: it might already be supported in the drivers they have in the mercurial repository
[10:26:11] justinh: jblack: dunno. YMMV
[10:26:38] jblack: I'll search the lists directly. I've been all over google and back. Very little talk of it at all.
[10:26:48] jblack: I'm wondering if hacking the pci id database may be enough
[10:27:54] Dibblah: No.
[10:28:05] Dibblah: You need to alter a table inside the driver.
[10:28:16] clever: and rebuild the module
[10:28:23] Dibblah: Well, duh ;)
[10:28:23] justinh: even then it's pretty unlikely it'd just work though
[10:28:41] clever: depends on the driver/card
[10:28:47] justinh: and chipset :P
[10:28:54] clever: yeah
[10:28:54] jblack: I got away with it once with a verizon usb serial device.
[10:29:03] jblack: Then again, serial devices do tend towards the overly simple
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[10:29:08] justinh: YMMV, YMMV, YMMV.... YMMV
[10:29:17] clever: the driver may also have an internal table listing diff's it has to take into act for each pciid
[10:29:30] clever: which would be missing if you just jam another pciid in
[10:29:32] jblack: I can't believe this machine has only two pci slots
[10:29:39] ** justinh can well believe it **
[10:29:46] jblack: So, I either have two nics, two pc5500s, but not both.
[10:30:12] clever: ive seen a device to let you put up to 4 pcie cards into a single slot
[10:30:33] jduggan: bad idea
[10:30:33] jduggan: :o
[10:30:36] clever: it basicaly puts the 4 cards into a rack mounted peice which plugs into the back of the expansion pcie card
[10:30:39] Dibblah: clever: A trash compactor?
[10:30:46] clever: lol
[10:30:47] jblack: I've got a free pcie slot, but it's overlapped with a standard pci.
[10:30:52] clever: it also lets you get pcie in a laptop
[10:31:10] clever: thru thr minipcmcia thing
[10:31:13] jblack: Someone was in a particularly pissed off mood when he laid out this board.
[10:31:26] Dibblah: miniPCI is not PCMCIA.
[10:31:28] Dibblah: It's PCI.
[10:31:34] jblack: Yeah, the card that came with the machine has something like pci, but tiny.
[10:31:56] justinh: long gone are the days when you could buy a motherboard with 5 real PCI slots
[10:31:58] jblack: I wonder if get a nic for that. Is minipci the formal name?
[10:31:58] clever: Dibblah: not minipci
[10:32:09] Dibblah: You also get mini-PCIe. Which is quite nice, actually.
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[10:32:10] clever: Dibblah: it looks like pcmcia but its half the width and in the side like a pcmcia slot
[10:32:18] justinh: bin it & get a real machine?
[10:32:28] Dibblah: That's expresscard.
[10:32:35] clever: ahh
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[10:32:47] ** clever looks for the sitr **
[10:32:53] Dibblah: Which is the same relationship as PCMCIA -> PCI.
[10:33:05] Dibblah: Err...
[10:33:07] jblack: I'd love to, but one makes do with what one has.
[10:33:11] Dibblah: miniPCI -> PCI.
[10:33:25] Dibblah: Specifically, it's just a smaller form factor.
[10:33:41] jblack: but yeah, brown slot.. perhaps a quarter to a half the size of a pci slot
[10:33:44] Dibblah: This time, they ADDED features to the expresscard side.
[10:34:17] justinh: you might make its eyes water if you put anything in the brown slot
[10:34:19] Dibblah: ie it has USB2 in the specifications in addition to the PCIe channels.
[10:34:20] jblack: So, Get a expresscard nic, rip out the conexant crap, and I get to put my second pc5500 back
[10:34:47] clever: lol
[10:35:07] Dibblah: That's why some Expresscard cards are so cheap. It's just a rebundled USB2 whatever.
[10:35:22] jblack: hmmm, though it lists in lspci ?
[10:35:59] justinh: stupid strange hardware. get some real gear
[10:36:19] Dibblah: _some_.
[10:36:27] justinh: said he, who now owns a very esoteric Aopen board :P
[10:37:05] ** Dibblah owns 3 of the abovementioned boards ;) **
[10:37:21] jblack: I wasn't planning on turning this windows-game box into a myth server back when I bought it six months ago
[10:37:24] justinh: I'm tempted to get myself another one for my dev box
[10:37:42] Dibblah: And has finally got round to routing the heatsinks for the other two.
[10:37:47] jblack: don't. new hardware is misery and suffering.
[10:38:09] Dibblah: Depends if you buy _good_ new hardware ;)
[10:38:11] justinh: jblack: non-believer!
[10:38:44] jblack: Good hardware is rare hardware. Rare hardware has rare quirks.
[10:38:45] justinh: snagging the whole new frontend board & ram for under £110 was lucky
[10:39:00] justinh: (and CPU)
[10:39:07] justinh: but glad I did :D
[10:39:22] justinh: so I had to hack the intel driver to make tv out work but hey.. small beans
[10:39:29] clever: cant find that pcie expansion site
[10:39:33] clever: damn my memory is bad
[10:39:35] justinh: easy to say that NOW of course :P
[10:39:41] clever: dont even know which pc i bookmarked iton
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[10:40:13] justinh: wonder what'd happen if clever replaced all the lame hardware at home with just one all powerful box :P
[10:40:15] clever: i was hacking up a cardbus wifi driver to work on a cardbus slot that lacked irq
[10:40:26] clever: i do have a new powerfull laptop
[10:40:29] clever: dual core 1.8ghz
[10:40:42] jblack: I think it's a PCI Express x1
[10:40:49] justinh: Dibblah: dunno wtf that guy on the dev list is going on about. the epg isn't gonna be encrippled on freesat
[10:41:08] clever: first dualcore system i get to use
[10:41:09] justinh: it might end up being something new but I doubt it
[10:41:40] Dibblah: justinh: Ummm... Actually.
[10:42:00] Dibblah: AFAIK, it uses the same EPG as the Sky boxes.
[10:42:09] Dibblah: Which, as said, are OpenTV.
[10:42:15] justinh: Dibblah: bollocks
[10:42:24] Dibblah: As in I'm wrong?
[10:42:29] justinh: I dunno
[10:42:33] justinh: as in bollocks
[10:42:34] Dibblah: Bugger.
[10:42:51] Dibblah: Was hoping you knew they'd enforced actual standards on Sky :(
[10:43:11] justinh: it won't be the SAME as what Sly use. they've got their own thing that sits on top of the FTA guide
[10:43:15] Dibblah: It indeed is not encrypted.
[10:43:23] Dibblah: It IS proprietary, though.
[10:43:37] justinh: so?
[10:43:40] Dibblah: They use the Sky boxes, though?
[10:43:44] Dibblah: And not public.
[10:43:46] justinh: they don't
[10:44:12] justinh: the whole point of freesat is that you don't need a Sly box!
[10:44:17] justinh: just A box
[10:44:26] clever: i got a box from a relative
[10:44:35] clever: and a dish on the roof that came with the house
[10:45:02] justinh: so what you're saying is that if it uses opentv, myth can never use it cos it's 'patented'
[10:45:08] clever: the lnb/horn is still on the dish
[10:45:09] justinh: pah and tish!
[10:45:14] clever: any other parts missing?
[10:46:11] justinh: Dibblah: anyway, found something that reckons opentv's sdk is GPL
[10:46:44] Dibblah: Doesn't help.
[10:47:01] justinh: er booo farking hoo ?
[10:47:55] Dibblah: The SDK is for apps running on the box – Games, etc.
[10:48:02] justinh: should the bbc even be allowed to get into bed with a propriatary outfit?
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[10:49:10] justinh: I very much suspect that the EPG will just be EIT like most DVB-S fare
[10:50:06] clever: cant you posibly pick and chose channels from diff providers within SD and make your own lineup from scratch?
[10:50:13] justinh: this is NOT the same kind of operation as Sly's 'EPG'
[10:50:22] justinh: SD in Europe?
[10:50:31] justinh: ROFLMAO
[10:50:38] clever: i mean any channels europe and NA have in common
[10:50:43] justinh: anyway, PAY for TV guide data? are you MAD?!
[10:50:47] clever: some channels may have the same feed
[10:52:44] Dibblah: justinh: When does it launch?
[10:52:56] justinh: Dibblah: not for ages
[10:53:09] justinh: everything I can find talks about Sly's EPG being based on opentv
[10:53:15] Dibblah: ... Because currently, all of the channels on that multiplex are only providing now / next.
[10:53:18] Dibblah: Yes, it is.
[10:53:24] justinh: which thankfully is NOT the same as freesat
[10:53:27] Dibblah: OpenTV is also the middleware.
[10:54:06] Dibblah: Actually, I would prefer to pay for guide data.
[10:54:10] justinh: "No decision has been taken to mandate the use of OpenTV operating software as Sky use"
[10:54:27] Dibblah: The RT stuff is... not so good for scheduling.
[10:54:33] justinh: I wouldn't pay
[10:54:35] justinh: end of
[10:54:47] justinh: certainly not for the quality of data we get
[10:54:47] Dibblah: Specifically, first episodes have a "review" type description.
[10:55:13] Dibblah: Which I would personally like to not see.
[10:57:13] justinh: not only first episodes. get it right
[10:57:37] Dibblah: First showings. Sorry.
[10:57:38] justinh: four lines of "blah blah, blardy blah balh, yada yada yada"
[10:58:07] justinh: can't pin it down like that. the verbosity (and relevance) seems to have no discernable pattern
[10:58:18] Dibblah: The write-ups for Robin Hood are particularly annoying.
[10:58:33] justinh: the show is particularly annoying
[10:58:54] ** Dibblah gets the feeling that justinh doesn't like TV much ;) **
[10:59:07] justinh: what if.. er.. somebody was to write a parser for the data anyway, externally to mythtv? :P
[10:59:27] justinh: how can it be illegal if the data isn't being 'stolen'
[10:59:42] Dibblah: It's not a legal issue.
[10:59:52] justinh: so what is it?
[10:59:58] Dibblah: Technical.
[11:00:04] justinh: the fact somebody might have to do some work?
[11:00:07] Dibblah: It's unknown format binary blobs.
[11:00:31] Dibblah: They are likely to be compressed.
[11:00:43] justinh: come on – the 'power' of processing in your average STB will mean it can't be too hard
[11:00:43] Dibblah: In a way the IRD can decompress at run-time.
[11:01:18] Dibblah: Oh, be careful when searching, BTW.
[11:01:19] justinh: somebody shoot Ahmed Toulan please. Flash in mythtv. REALLY
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[11:01:29] Dibblah: The Sky IT platform is completely different.
[11:01:34] quicksilver: the great irony of justinh's myth adventures, actually
[11:01:38] quicksilver: is how much he hates TV
[11:01:49] Dibblah: Just TV? ;)
[11:01:55] quicksilver: so all the effort he puts into this community which revolves around crap which, in fact, he doesn't want to watch :)
[11:01:56] justinh: I hate populist drivel, yes it's true
[11:02:11] quicksilver: still, it's an irony I'm profoundly grateful for
[11:04:56] justinh: fucking ratings-chasing BBC.
[11:04:56] Dibblah: So far, the list I've seen is: TV, cow-orkers, chavs, ...
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[11:04:56] justinh: the list of things I like is shorter & easier to handle :P
[11:04:57] Dibblah: I think pets used to be on the first list too.
[11:04:57] Dibblah: BTW, my boards ended up being £125 each, so you did better than me :)
[11:04:57] justinh: if freesat does indeed go with opentv there should bloody well be an inquiry
[11:05:10] justinh: jesus. Sky OWN opentv
[11:05:38] justinh: well, er newscorp do.. same diff
[11:05:41] Dibblah: No, they don't.
[11:05:42] Darthy: i just did an update of my debian and since then i have the problem that mythtv is crashing the seek-positions after searching for advertisment.. i cannot rewind/forward with speeds greater then 3x then.. when i disable ad-search i can forward/rewind again.. whats wrong?
[11:05:51] Dibblah: Exactly.
[11:06:17] justinh: Dibblah: wth is the point of the fscking monopolies commission etc then?
[11:06:23] justinh: all your media are belong to us?!
[11:06:25] Dibblah: Kickbacks.
[11:08:20] justinh: I hope their wallet-raping days are soon to be history. any result from the action in Italy yet?
[11:08:36] Dibblah: ?
[11:08:39] justinh: AFAIK they still haven't relaxed their hold over ITV
[11:08:49] Dibblah: The election, you mean?
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[11:09:19] justinh: aren't they being seriously bollocked for blocking competition by limiting hardware they allow to be used with their platform or something?
[11:09:58] Dibblah: Personally, I would doubt it.
[11:10:46] justinh: I heard they were, not Sky specifically but another newscorp outfit in Europe
[11:10:51] Dibblah: Unless by "seriously bollocked" you mean "being told they've been bad".
[11:11:11] Dibblah: DE is pretty strong on those rights. Nowhere else cares.
[11:11:38] justinh: fuck it. grease me up mother, and bring the Sky box into the livingroom
[11:12:01] justinh: you can give me a labotomy later
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[11:14:25] ** Dibblah just bid on a 26" LCD TV. **
[11:14:25] directhex|bsp: justinh, sky italia in violation of italian monopoly law
[11:14:28] Dibblah: Faulty.
[11:14:47] justinh: directhex|bsp: thought so
[11:14:47] Dibblah: I *love* those cheap chinese capacitor manufacturers :))
[11:15:05] justinh: backlight HT dead huh
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[11:15:14] Dibblah: No, main PSU.
[11:15:18] levander: Dibblah: I've never thought about buying a TV on Ebay. Have you had luck doing that in the past?
[11:15:18] Dibblah: ... Probably.
[11:15:37] Dibblah: levander: I only buy monitors / TVs labelled faulty.
[11:15:47] levander: Dibblah: Don't link me to yours (competing bids), but can you link me to another interesting one on Ebay?
[11:16:01] Dibblah: You just have to search.
[11:16:25] ** quicksilver emails Dibblah's seller offering to shill up the bid for a cut in the profits **
[11:16:51] Dibblah: It's completed/
[11:16:59] justinh: Dibblah: muhhhhhhhh, how do you search? ;)
[11:17:17] levander: Is quicksilver the seller?
[11:17:21] Dibblah: Does anyone actually bid more than 20 seconds before auction close?
[11:17:34] justinh: not during work/school time
[11:17:37] justinh: usually
[11:17:41] quicksilver: Yes I do, if I'm not necessarily going to be around when it closes
[11:17:47] quicksilver: or I can't be bothered to come back
[11:17:52] Dibblah: levander: Are you actually looking for faulty TVs?
[11:17:58] directhex|bsp: if you're buying on ebay, buy this! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . T&ih=008
[11:18:05] Dibblah: quicksilver: There are sniping tools these days.
[11:18:17] justinh: buy my eeeeppeeeee aye ay :)
[11:18:37] justinh: £150, best mediacenter PC evah :P (honest)
[11:18:44] levander: Dibblah: I know, that last 20 second thing that's part of the Ebay psychology is so crazy. People are willing to pay 30% in the last 20 minutes than they would otherwise. It goes up to 40% more in the last 30 seconds.
[11:19:04] justinh: carpc (it's an anagram btw)
[11:19:13] Dibblah: levander: No.
[11:19:29] justinh: depends what you're bidding on
[11:19:30] Dibblah: It's stupid buyers that cause the issue.
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[11:19:49] Dibblah: Specifically, people _don't set a value_ on something they want.
[11:19:53] justinh: the majority of items on ebay these days are plagued by stupid people bidding
[11:19:58] levander: Dibblah: It happens on every auction I watch where there's any interest in the itme.
[11:20:01] Dibblah: So, they "lose" the bid.
[11:20:07] Dibblah: And it gets competitive.
[11:20:07] justinh: there are very few real bargains left now
[11:20:16] justinh: the bid mist :P
[11:20:29] levander: But, you've got to compete with the stupid people if you want the item. So.... You better be bidding in the last 20 minutes too.
[11:20:36] Dibblah: No.
[11:20:41] justinh: set your max price before you bid, not IN the bid. keep some in reserve
[11:20:45] quicksilver: Dibblah: yes, but I don't care enough about ebay to use them :)
[11:20:45] Dibblah: You set up a sniping tool.
[11:21:01] Dibblah: And _leave it alone_ at the time of the bid.
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[11:21:09] Dibblah: Set a price and stick to it.
[11:21:18] Dibblah: You will get bargains.
[11:21:31] levander: Dibblah: I thought about writing an Ebay sniping tool one time, have people really written those?
[11:21:45] Dibblah: jbidwatcher
[11:21:46] Dibblah: Yes.
[11:21:48] justinh: before I used a sniping tool I'd just keep a total value in mind and always bid below it. if I got outbid I'd generally just give up on it
[11:22:11] levander: What's the best sniping tool for Ebay? I may get into that.
[11:22:23] justinh: jdbidwatcher is a rare java app – in that it works & doesn't hog all a machine's resoruces
[11:22:23] Dibblah: levander: ^
[11:22:47] ** directhex|bsp ports jbidwatcher to ms.net **
[11:22:49] levander: Ah, I was wondering why someone randomly said jbidwatcher.
[11:23:25] levander: Most java apps for the desktop (i.e. not server-side) I've used are slow. jbidwatcher is better?
[11:24:24] justinh: jbidwatcher is neither slow nor resource hungry
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[11:24:40] justinh: one of those very rare java apps
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[11:25:06] justinh: jees that dickhead who bought that cpu from me still hasn't left feedback
[11:25:21] levander: Interesting, I"m gonna check it out just to see a well-done Java desktop app. Dont' think I've ever seen one before. Although, Netbeans is very close. Especially when you compare it to where it used to be.
[11:25:22] justinh: never selling outside the UK again
[11:25:24] jduggan: maybe he ordered the wrong CPU
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[11:25:34] jduggan: :P
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[11:25:38] justinh: jduggan: possible
[11:25:58] justinh: his ebay name has 'suxx' in it which speaks volumes
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[11:26:53] levander: I bet he was teenager.
[11:27:09] justinh: Dibblah: spiredream have some bundles with that board again
[11:28:34] justinh: £79.99 with heatsink (this time) and 1GB ram
[11:30:34] justinh: I'll wait til the new year though – I'm waiting for enough deliveries in time for xmas as it is
[11:31:11] Dibblah: That's the board as-new.
[11:31:19] Dibblah: I preferred the other price ;)
[11:31:25] justinh: aye me too
[11:31:40] justinh: but having the HSF included this time would be less hassle
[11:31:56] justinh: not that my shim didn't work well :)
[11:32:29] justinh: fs how long does it take a site to get indexed by google?
[11:33:18] Dibblah: Depends. Mine took ~4 weeks.
[11:33:30] Dibblah: After submitting a sitemap with webmaster tools.
[11:33:34] justinh: it WAS in the index
[11:34:04] quicksilver: mine took 1 day
[11:34:05] justinh: then got pushed down the rankings by all the ducking mirrors, rpms, ebuilds & debs
[11:34:09] quicksilver: after setting up google analytics for it
[11:34:21] justinh: got all that jazz
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[11:34:39] quicksilver: we got crawled by the googlebot the same day we turned analytics on
[11:34:43] quicksilver: and showed up in the index 1 day later
[11:35:03] justinh: 8.2% of traffic from search engines
[11:35:32] justinh: 44.91% of traffic from direct sources
[11:36:27] justinh: 40 visits from a google search result for "blootube" – which is lucky since it's on the 4th results page
[11:36:47] justinh: maybe I need to sacrifice more
[11:37:03] Dibblah: Just pay a SEO company ;)
[11:37:11] justinh: screw that
[11:37:38] Dibblah: Maybe google doesn't like... sites that disappear occasionally?
[11:37:40] justinh: donations have paid for the hosting & my new frontend. not shelling out any more of my own cash
[11:37:47] Dibblah: Sorry. That was uncalled for :)
[11:38:03] justinh: I was fiddling with stuff
[11:40:11] ** Dibblah likes his new <.5w hard drive :) **
[11:40:34] Dibblah: 20Gb, silent, quick enough...
[11:41:29] Dibblah: ipods definitely have reduced prices of 1.8" drives.
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[11:47:43] justinh: hard drive? for a frontend? ;)
[11:48:22] justinh: so much for netboot times being crap
[11:48:30] ** justinh does the '40 secs' dance :P **
[11:48:51] justinh: prolly shave some more off that by kyboshing samba & wireless crap
[11:53:54] Dibblah: No – For my everyday machine.
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[12:04:50] ** justinh laughs at .. "I like the idea of the iPlayer but they don't have half of the programmes I might actually want to watch (e.g. Spooks – missed last night's episode because Sky+ box died and it's not on iPlayer – who's stupid idea was that??)" **
[12:05:18] justinh: awww his sky pwus box cwashed. diddums
[12:07:10] blackest: justinh where did you setup your netboot image ?
[12:07:22] jduggan: omg
[12:07:27] jduggan: electrician has to take my mains out
[12:07:34] jduggan: 242days uptime lost
[12:07:36] jduggan: damnit
[12:07:38] jduggan: bbl
[12:07:45] Dibblah: Suspend to disk! :)
[12:07:45] blackest: no ups ?
[12:07:49] justinh: blackest: I set it up at home
[12:07:55] jduggan: blackest: not at home
[12:08:04] Dibblah: echo disk >/sys/power/state
[12:08:30] Dibblah: Or, of course, just get a real penis extention.
[12:08:46] ** justinh isn't giving out his netboot image for nobody, not after the headache getting it worky **
[12:08:59] justinh: stupid incomplete howto guides
[12:09:24] blackest: why am i not surprised ;)
[12:09:42] justinh: ended up using initramfs-tools after all
[12:09:47] justinh: stock kernel
[12:09:57] blackest: actually is there anyone in channel
[12:10:06] blackest: who is surprised :)
[12:10:17] justinh: make sure you put the name of the network module in the 'modules' file before you run mkinitramfs
[12:10:52] blackest: i've got another pc coming soon i might do it with that maybe
[12:10:52] justinh: it's not rocket science, but knowing that little titbit should be enough to get you going ^^^^
[12:11:35] blackest: mind i'd have to have cat5 to it since wireless can't be net booted
[12:11:39] justinh: oh yeah big shock horror justinh isn't giving anything away.. yeah apart from 9 mythtv themes
[12:11:59] justinh: blackest: you can still do nfsroot with wireless. you just need a local bootloader
[12:12:18] justinh: not that I would though
[12:13:24] justinh: I bet I could shave 10 secs off my boot time if the bootloader was local
[12:13:29] blackest: no i said nothin about your themes, but you do have a certain style... when it comes to irc
[12:13:57] Dibblah: Everybloody body in IRC has a certain style.
[12:14:17] justinh: anyway unless you have the same gear as me I'd be wasting my time posting my files up
[12:14:46] justinh: just remember that important bit about mkinitramfs or spend hours scratching your head
[12:15:11] blackest: true enough, i used to use a hauppauge mvp whatsit thing
[12:16:16] blackest: i spent a while trying to get it set up to network boot from linux in the end i cheated and used the hauppauge loader with the mediamvp image instead
[12:16:35] justinh: I'm in 2 minds about what to do with my frontend startup stuff actually. dunno if it's worth having a script respawn mythfrontend all the time incase it crashes or not – since you can't really exit & shutdown manually with that going on.. or can you?
[12:17:41] blackest: possibly the mediamvp thing used to crash and restart regularly
[12:18:08] blackest: it only needed the netboot if it had been actually powered down
[12:18:40] justinh: I almost got one of them to use as a frontend. really glad I never bothered
[12:18:58] blackest: yes they are rather poor
[12:19:10] justinh: they're poorer than epia board and that's saying stuff
[12:19:47] blackest: they cant handle live tv and on recordings it used to fill in missing data with luminous green blocks
[12:19:57] blackest: xbox was better
[12:20:14] justinh: xbox has a real CPU, that's why
[12:20:43] blackest: now i have a very near silent compaq desktop for a front end
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[12:21:28] blackest: it helps it can work as a backend too, i spent a long time trying to relay a signal to a backend in a different room and it was terrible
[12:21:28] justinh: my new board is virtually silent. can't speak for the PSU yet though – have yet to try it all in the box together
[12:21:48] blackest: my laptop is louder than the compaq
[12:21:58] justinh: blackest: I used to send svideo & stereo audio upstairs over cat5 cable :P
[12:21:59] Dibblah: justinh: I'm using a picoPSU.
[12:22:05] Dibblah: Works well...
[12:22:09] justinh: Dibblah: yeah I know. ker-ching though
[12:22:26] justinh: Dibblah: what did you case it in?
[12:22:39] Dibblah: A PC case, at the moment.
[12:22:49] justinh: I'm toying with the idea of replacing the LC02 too
[12:22:52] Dibblah: It sits in the cupboard-under-the-stairs :)
[12:22:53] blackest: well i think the wireless network and the deep joy of a 2.4 ghz video sender was all too much
[12:23:14] justinh: video sender / fuzz box :P
[12:24:00] blackest: well ok if you do not use wireless if you do both the wireless and the video sender are lousy
[12:24:42] blackest: would be ok if there was a hack to say double the frequency of the video sender and reciever
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[12:26:09] justinh: bout time there was a cheap-ish semi-decent mass produced HTPC case
[12:26:35] justinh: with optional IR window in front, no unsightly front USB/audio/whatever ports
[12:28:04] blackest: you don't do satellite do you justinh?
[12:28:14] justinh: not yet
[12:29:35] blackest: theres the technomate 9100 which might be interesting theres a few variations of it with dvb-S and dvb-t and it has ethernet and a harddrive
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[12:30:08] justinh: I don't have the receiving gear in the living toom
[12:30:10] justinh: *room
[12:30:27] justinh: small, quiet cool frontend. BIG UGLY NOISY box upstairs :)
[12:30:31] blackest: the full whizzbang does everything version is fairly pricey at £300
[12:30:59] blackest: but it is a linux box at heart just runs a ppc cpu
[12:31:11] justinh: nice :-\
[12:31:15] justinh: useless for mythtv then
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[12:31:57] blackest: well not necessarily so myth supports networked tuners i think
[12:32:04] justinh: http://www.wizardsatellite.co.uk/index.php?ma . . . ducts_id=427
[12:32:23] justinh: some networked tuners
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[12:34:19] blackest: http://www.wizardsatellite.co.uk/index.php?ma . . . ducts_id=536 thats the one i was thinking of with dvb-T as well
[12:34:33] justinh: not worth the effort
[12:35:24] blackest: well you can just set the thing to record straight from its inputs and have it share its recordings across your lan
[12:36:03] Dibblah: Sorta like... Myth, then?
[12:36:07] justinh: :-\ oh the joy of controlling a file browser with a remote control
[12:36:26] blackest: why not just use ssh then /
[12:37:07] justinh: why not just use mythtv then? oh wait I already do!
[12:38:12] blackest: yes but say you had a sky card with this you could pair the card to it and get yourself sky+ with the flexability of myth
[12:38:36] Dibblah: Nope.
[12:38:41] justinh: why would I want to give Murdoch any of my money?
[12:38:58] blackest: well thats just one possibility
[12:39:04] justinh: anyway there's no LEGAL way to get Sly without a Sly box
[12:39:25] justinh: and when I'm ready for DVB-S I'll just bung a DVB-S tuner in my backend
[12:39:33] justinh: a-fankoo
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[12:40:05] blackest: true but if you have a slybox and a card its possible to set the id from the slybox and work with your paid for subscription
[12:40:18] justinh: not legally it isn't
[12:40:32] justinh: the key word there being _legal_
[12:41:11] blackest: is it if your paying for the box and card you obviously would only use the box for collecting dust thou
[12:41:17] justinh: NO
[12:41:36] justinh: if you're paying for subscription it's on the condition you use the official gear
[12:41:56] justinh: they don't let their CAM out into the wild
[12:42:55] blackest: well it might change the americans are having a similar battle with cable cards.
[12:43:04] justinh: it won't change
[12:43:24] justinh: cablecard is dead in the water anyway. nobody really wants it least of all the cable companies
[12:43:41] blackest: other satellite services are available and they are not so rigid with the box and card
[12:44:05] justinh: in English? in Europe? and not all porn? hahahaha
[12:44:33] justinh: if any pay tv ever becomes worth watching I'll let you know anyway
[12:44:35] blackest: well tps is bilingual on some channels so is D+ and premiere
[12:45:17] blackest: digital albania has the premier league i think and thats legal
[12:45:25] justinh: woooo
[12:45:26] justinh: :-\
[12:45:36] blackest: ok you have to like football
[12:45:43] justinh: and if you don't want to watch overpaid ponces frot around?
[12:45:49] blackest: or porn or both
[12:45:58] justinh: you're preaching to the unconvertible
[12:46:21] siXy: "frot" --i like that word
[12:46:37] blackest: but there are others theres an irish sat company i forget thier name but channel 6 is pretty much the same as sky1
[12:46:38] justinh: the only reasons I'm considering putting a dish up are as follows: 1. HDTV. 2. Freeview is going down the pan
[12:47:41] blackest: anyway I don't need to sell you anything i am not on commision :)
[12:48:43] justinh: aww Bionic Woman looks like it'll be canned. will that mean they'll stop spoiling Heroes with half-screen graphics advertising it now?
[12:49:08] Dibblah: justinh: How would you know? ;)
[12:49:11] blackest: ok so they will advertise something else :(
[12:50:35] blackest: believe it or not Dibblah you get americans on irc and they sometimes talk about hero's and the lousy adverts :)
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[12:51:15] blackest: justinh probably talks to yanks :)
[12:51:52] justinh: hey I can't help it if I keep finding S2 episodes on a USB key a workmate borrows off me
[12:52:12] Dibblah: justinh: HD, I hope?
[12:52:19] justinh: I also can't help how crap series 2 is, but I can help by not watching it anymore cos it really sucks
[12:52:34] Dibblah: (The matroska ones play well enough, allegedly, but without seeking)
[12:52:53] justinh: shitty xvid is all the eeeppeee will play
[12:53:03] blackest: i don't know they realised how bad it was getting and recovered as much as possible towards the end
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[12:53:12] justinh: still enough quality to let how sucky the plot is show though
[12:53:30] justinh: well, they've lost me
[12:53:39] justinh: won't be bothering it again
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[12:53:57] blackest: after the writers finish with their lon break they might actually get to write some decent episodes
[12:54:08] justinh: they might, and I'll never know
[12:54:31] blackest: usb key broke ;)
[12:54:43] justinh: you can forgive them a couple of slow/boring/confusing episodes in a row, but FOUR?!
[12:55:01] justinh: and the rest
[12:55:17] justinh: got plenty of recorded stuff to watch besides
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[12:55:43] blackest: 12 was quite good it was kinda like they had been getting lost in the desert and finally had found the highway
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[12:56:23] blackest: of course Sly will offer them a silly price and it'll never get seen again
[12:56:48] justinh: can't remember what happened in the last episode I watched, it really was that rivetting
[12:57:09] justinh: BBC have the rights for series two already
[12:57:16] justinh: which is a pity
[12:57:35] justinh: Sly said they didn't want it. oops
[12:57:39] blackest: the first 12 or the full season which hasnt been written yet
[12:57:58] justinh: just Season Two
[12:58:15] justinh: it'd prolly be the 'full season' – whatever that entailed
[12:58:23] justinh: nobody saw the writers strike coming back then
[12:58:44] justinh: be funny if the studios & writers never back down
[12:59:11] justinh: USA doomed to reruns & poor adlibbed chat shows
[12:59:20] blackest: hmm thats frightening you would be forced to talk to friends family and neighbors
[12:59:37] justinh: we don't talk to neighbours in the UK
[12:59:57] blackest: no but we might if there was no tv
[13:00:31] justinh: the birthrate might increase again
[13:00:49] justinh: no more "no, I'll just watch the end of 'I'm a celebrity'" BS
[13:01:07] blackest: the divorce rate would rise ...
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[13:06:16] blackest: see ya's i got to go write some code i've done enough procastinating
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[16:27:46] Darthy: hi
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[16:29:24] Andycasss: Is it possible to make joystick axes and buttons to be looped? For example, i want to fast forward in a movie, right now I have to press the axis button for 100's of times
[16:29:25] Darthy: i have trouble forwarding/revinding/skipping commercials in myth. if i forward fast then 3x it freezes. i cant skip comms anymore. if i deactivate comm-flagging, i can forward/revind again. strange. i read some about corrupt seek-tables.. but how to get rid of it?
[16:30:01] Darthy: i just installed the backend completely new incl. new db and settings. so a corrupt db shouldnt be it.
[16:31:27] justinh: with old recordings?
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[16:31:44] justinh: maybe there's just no seektable for the old recordings. mythcommflag --rebuild should fix that
[16:31:56] Darthy: no. i deleted all old recordings
[16:32:15] justinh: run mysqlcheck on mythconverg anyway#
[16:32:21] Darthy: the problem resolves when i deactivate mythcommflag to search for ads
[16:32:25] Darthy: done
[16:32:29] Darthy: not the problem.
[16:32:31] justinh: BS
[16:32:51] justinh: deactivating commercial flagging will have no effect on existing recordings
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[16:34:16] Darthy: k. but: when i have activated skip commercials i can forward/rewind in actual being recorded (purple) videos.. but when the completely has been recorded (some mins later or so) i cant forward/rewind anymore with fast then 3x.
[16:34:42] Darthy: faster
[16:34:58] justinh: that usually indicates a seektable problem
[16:35:16] Darthy: thats strange.. and then i completely deactibvated the comm flagging. now forwarding with 180x -> no problem.. works fine..
[16:35:19] justinh: or maybe a timezone/time issue – but that's usually when TZ differs between FE & BE
[16:35:42] Darthy: im getting some strange values when using mythcommflag manually.
[16:35:45] Darthy: like this:
[16:35:46] Darthy: [mpegts @ 0xb73ce7f0]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94212 !
[16:35:51] Darthy: 0: start_time: 6952.084 duration: 177.687
[16:36:19] Darthy: the start times are all real big.. should that be seconds or what?
[16:36:43] justinh: the message about codec id 94212 is nothing to worry about
[16:37:06] Darthy: when the problem occurs and i try to forward.. video freezes and when i push play again it stops because it reached the end (or above :) )
[16:37:38] Darthy: i read that in some forum.. does something to do with teletext or some other digital information that can be skipped, right?
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[16:37:48] Darthy: are the time values ok then?
[16:37:54] justinh: no idea
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[16:38:33] Darthy: could you do a 'mythcommflag --video <some file>', then compare ? would be real nice
[16:38:45] justinh: don't use commflagging here
[16:38:54] justinh: and I don't do real nice
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[16:39:20] Darthy: ok.
[16:39:39] justinh: what you have there is a weird problem
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[16:40:00] justinh: commercial flagging doesn't work here in the UK most of the time, so it's pointless
[16:40:36] Huijari: is mythtv-multirec's filters/greedyhdeint correct?
[16:40:42] justinh: and the majority of shows with commercial breaks have breaks that are X minutes long exactly, so 2 button presses is all it takes
[16:40:54] Huijari: i'm getting
[16:40:55] Huijari: filter_greedyhdeint.c: In function 'GreedyHDeint':
[16:40:55] Huijari: filter_greedyhdeint.c:235: error: 'MM_SSE' undeclared (first use in this function)
[16:40:59] Huijari: filter_greedyhdeint.c:235: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
[16:41:02] Huijari: filter_greedyhdeint.c:235: error: for each function it appears in.)
[16:41:04] Huijari: filter_greedyhdeint.c:240: error: 'MM_3DNOW' undeclared (first use in this function)
[16:41:07] Huijari: filter_greedyhdeint.c:245: error: 'MM_MMX' undeclared (first use in this function)
[16:41:17] Andycasss: So is there any way to enable looping the axis/buttons of my joystick? Right now i have to press the axis buttons for hundreds of times to scroll in mythvideo
[16:41:21] justinh: !trout Huijari pastebin
[16:41:21] ** MythLogBot slaps Huijari with a pastebin trout on behalf of justinh... **
[16:42:12] Darthy: hmm.. i could just get used to manually skip all ads.. thats a possibility.. but its also not nice to know that something isnt right.. and maybe there are more side-effects.. who knows
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[16:42:15] Huijari: justinh: i figured there's no point in bothering people to go to pastebin for 6 lines
[16:43:25] justinh: Huijari: the channel policy is for 3 lines or more
[16:43:33] Huijari: ah, ok
[16:43:50] justinh: Huijari: looks like you've got a build problem there
[16:44:02] Darthy: @justinh i think it must be some dependency i updated .. the problem occured since the last debian update.. *fuck :/
[16:44:32] justinh: Huijari: probably a missing dependency
[16:44:47] justinh: or maybe a wrong arch type...
[16:44:57] Darthy: Huijari: some includes/macros missing?
[16:45:07] justinh: pasting the whole ./configure and make log might help somebody else help you
[16:45:13] jams: Darthy please refrain from using valgar language.
[16:45:20] jams: vulgar
[16:45:39] Darthy: oh.. sorry.. i meant.. damn!
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[16:46:02] justinh: ahh the rush for everybody & their cat to have worky mythtv boxes in time for Christmas. you can almost smell the frustration
[16:46:13] Darthy: :) lol
[16:46:31] justinh: rule 1 of being a happy linux box user: if it works and there's no real pressing need to update, don't update
[16:47:17] Darthy: absolutely! but i had to.. :(
[16:47:38] justinh: my dapper box is still sitting there running dapper. has been since I installed it
[16:48:12] Huijari: i have a working mythtv setup already, but i need multirec up and running in one hour :P
[16:48:19] justinh: didn't 'have' to update anything on it at all. sure the update notification got annoying so I turned it off
[16:48:40] Darthy: its also my 1st debian install.. installed some years ago.. always updateing some packages.. and this time it was a larger update with libc and stuff.. everything was fine but mythtv..
[16:48:52] Darthy: :) coOl
[16:49:53] justinh: Huijari: can you not live without the greedy deinterlacer? it's not all that much of a big deal
[16:49:54] Darthy: i thought it was time for a little update.. i use evolution and they had a fancy new version out.. so i needed it to get my phones synced with it.
[16:50:40] justinh: and FWIW, if you're in a hurry I'd forget all about it. nothing ever good comes out of being in a rush
[16:50:57] justinh: s/ever good/good ever
[16:51:54] Darthy: also vim user ? its some really cool editor.
[16:52:18] justinh: if you like vim, yeah vim is cool. if you hate it, it isn't cool
[16:52:55] justinh: I only ever use it if I absolutely have to. it's a lot like making your own kernel. only do it if you really have to :P
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[16:53:43] cccp: heh, i install vim on any box where i have to code stuff ;P
[16:53:48] Darthy: hmm.. i like vim.. i use to code c++ with.. there are plenty cool extensions like file view/header-cpp-switch aso
[16:53:52] cccp: or gvim on windows boxes
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[16:54:10] justinh: IMHO if you're stuck in the 1960s it's a great editor :P
[16:54:17] cccp: lol
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[16:54:20] cccp: what do you prefer?
[16:54:41] justinh: I prefer not to discuss it
[16:55:07] Darthy: since theres no really perfect ide for linux like visual studio for windows, its best for me i think.
[16:55:41] cccp: justinh: notepad? :P
[16:55:45] Darthy: ok.. 'perfect' isnt the rigt word for it..
[16:56:04] justinh: whee here we go.. brand new mythtv install on dapper.. G.A.N.T is broken cos it needs the MS corefonts
[16:57:06] justinh: I thought that'd been fixed up. maybe not
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[17:01:00] justinh: oh dear, oh dear oh dear. I wasn't quite sure how bad using a framegrabber sucked til now. Oh boy =D
[17:01:26] justinh: looks like I won't be testing TV stuff on the dev box til it's got the pvr150 in it
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[17:21:08] Dibblah: justinh: You already have a 150?
[17:21:16] justinh: yeah
[17:21:25] justinh: just CBA to fit it in the old system
[17:21:34] justinh: removed it from my production backend some time ago
[17:21:54] ** Dibblah has a spare one. As new, apart from the I2C snooping cable soldered to it. **
[17:23:45] squish102: i know u can do anything in mythtv, like the removecommercials script, but i need to know if this is feasable:
[17:24:49] squish102: i record a HD channel but i would like to play it on a dlink dsm-320 which will only play SD content.. can i use tools to crop the HD and drop it to 720x480 AND keep the original HD and a SD copy in mythtv
[17:25:20] squish102: new SD copy to have all the relevant recording info still attached
[17:25:51] squish102: i am pretty sure i can figure out the cropping, but im not sure how to make both shows show up in mythtv
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[17:29:00] iamlindoro_: squish102, theoretically you can transcode with whatever you want, and I would look at myth.rebuilddatabase.pl as your baseline to learn to reimport the transcoded files
[17:29:45] iamlindoro_: And you could, with some clever scripting, append something to the name to differentiate the two
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[17:34:40] sphery: clever: Thanks for the tip on dd_rescue. I found out that GNU ddrescue basically implements all the functionality from dd_rescue and dd_rhelp, so it's /much/ easier to use.
[17:35:12] sphery: clever: Only problem is that now it will take several days to recover the old recordings, so I have to wait to send in the drive for warranty replacement.
[17:36:21] sphery: clever: Without ddrescue, I would have just forgotten about the old shows--which is much faster.
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[17:43:31] squish102: iamlindoro_ thanks for the tip, i will look for that
[17:44:12] justinh: wow this framegrabber really sucks
[17:44:31] justinh: never seen analogue tv look so bad in my life
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[18:10:42] clever: sphery: yeah ddrescue is slow by design because the drive retrys before giving an ioerror
[18:11:13] clever: sphery: but ddrescue does try to skip forward past the damage then copy backwards to find the tail of it i beleive
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[18:14:33] DarkUranium: hey guys
[18:14:40] DarkUranium: what do I need to install to get qmake?
[18:14:51] cccp: qt?
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[18:15:47] justinh: qt3
[18:15:55] jams: cccp- correct no need for the ?  ;)
[18:16:38] DarkUranium: installed qt4 and qt
[18:16:52] justinh: qt4 is no good
[18:16:55] justinh: (yet)
[18:16:56] cccp: jams: the "?" wasnt cause i was unsure, other intetnion
[18:17:13] cccp: justinh: not good at all or just cause mythtv uses 3?
[18:17:25] cccp: i just started programming some application with qt4 for work
[18:17:32] DarkUranium: I got both
[18:17:32] justinh: just cos mythtv uses qt3
[18:17:33] cccp: and it works rather fine so far
[18:17:37] cccp: ah, okay
[18:19:37] justinh: better to only have qt3 installed, esp. if you don't know how to tell your system which one to prefer
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[18:22:23] DarkUranium: well
[18:22:25] DarkUranium: it can't find qmake
[18:22:31] DarkUranium: tried installing qt first
[18:22:33] DarkUranium: then qt4
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[18:22:35] DarkUranium: nothing
[18:22:46] cccp: list the installed files and grep?
[18:25:08] sphery: clever: Yep. It would be so nice if I could tell the drive not to try so hard to read the bad sectors.
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[18:55:30] Sionide21: Is it worth setting up mythtv just to use MythVideo? I know that, at least at first, I won't have a tuner card.
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[18:59:04] fryfrog: Sionide21: probably not
[18:59:20] fryfrog: but if you think you'll *eventually* have a tuner card (or firewire STB), maybe.
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[19:02:03] Sionide21: What is firewire STB?
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[19:02:54] fryfrog: a set top box (from cable co?) which has a firewire output on it
[19:04:40] Sionide21: oh
[19:05:46] mindframe-: Sionide21, i'd say yes to your mythvideo question. I had it like that for a week before my tuners were in.
[19:06:08] mindframe-: mytharchive is useful too if you install a burner
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[19:11:53] justinh: Sionide21: I'd say an emphatic 'no' to your mythvideo question
[19:12:51] iamlindoro_: So there you go, Sionide21. Yes. No. Maybe. Good luck.
[19:12:54] Sionide21: I will definitely have something set up so I can watch video. And I've wanted to try MythTV
[19:13:14] Sionide21: What formats does MythVideo support?
[19:13:19] justinh: mythtv without the TV features is pointless IMHO
[19:13:30] iamlindoro_: Whatever formats the player you set supports.
[19:13:44] justinh: mythvideo supports whatever formats ffmpeg supported at the time ffmpeg was last synced into mythtv
[19:14:32] justinh: that is, as far as the Internal player goes
[19:14:47] fryfrog: internal supports everything i've thrown at it
[19:14:51] justinh: of course you aren't limited to using just the Internal player
[19:14:55] fryfrog: which is avi and mkv mostly (i use svn trunk)
[19:15:11] fryfrog: avi being divx/xvid and mkv being x/h264
[19:15:18] GreyFoxx: Though the ffmpeg mkv seeking support sucks rocks
[19:15:22] fryfrog: it'll also play dvd iso files, i think?
[19:15:39] fryfrog: GreyFoxx: is that why it drops 2–3 frames every 2–3 seconds?
[19:15:44] fryfrog: oh
[19:15:46] fryfrog: *seeking*
[19:15:49] GreyFoxx: among other things
[19:15:51] fryfrog: yeah, that locks my system up totally
[19:15:56] GreyFoxx: I makes it unusable to me
[19:16:01] fryfrog: does libmpeg2 work better for it?
[19:16:06] GreyFoxx: No
[19:16:13] fryfrog: ah, so it just don't work very well at all
[19:16:17] GreyFoxx: that's the video codec decoder
[19:16:33] GreyFoxx: libavformat is the library that reads the file
[19:16:41] fryfrog: ah
[19:16:43] GreyFoxx: and it's support for mkv is poor
[19:17:04] fryfrog: and there are no alternatives right? not like ffmpeg/libmpeg2
[19:17:08] GreyFoxx: Currently I have mythvideo set to launch mplayer for .mkv files and internal for everything else
[19:17:21] fryfrog: humm, i might have to do that then
[19:17:23] iamlindoro_: fryfrog, internal *is* ffmepg
[19:17:26] fryfrog: so mplayer plays them well?
[19:17:26] GreyFoxx: mplayer and xine use other code/libraries for reading/seeking mkv
[19:17:42] fryfrog: iamlindoro_: so the decoder setting for tv playback doesn't change internal?
[19:18:15] iamlindoro_: it's still all ffmpeg regardless of which library you use
[19:18:15] GreyFoxx: internal is both libmpeg2 and libavcodec
[19:18:18] fryfrog: GreyFoxx: any chance you should paste your .mkv mplayer line?
[19:18:50] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: mplayer -fs -zoom file.mkv
[19:19:00] fryfrog: oh, very complicated i see :)
[19:19:14] iamlindoro_: I just use mplayer for everything and keep it really up to date (compile SVN every week or so)... have never met a file I couldn't get working *somehow*
[19:19:30] iamlindoro_: Although playing EVOs is sitll an exercise in frustration
[19:19:33] fryfrog: i like the ui of the internal player more :(
[19:19:37] iamlindoro_: oh yeah, totally
[19:19:41] iamlindoro_: much better UI
[19:19:44] GreyFoxx: I use the internal player for al lbut mkv
[19:19:51] fryfrog: well, the "integration" perhaps is the better word
[19:19:54] fryfrog: ah
[19:20:03] GreyFoxx: I'm hoping for the day ffmpeg gets better mkv seeking support
[19:20:09] fryfrog: i'll try that tonight, have a few eps of something in mkv and the dropped frames is *watchable* but annoying
[19:20:18] fryfrog: and we just don't hit the ffwd or rwd buttons anymore :p
[19:20:34] fryfrog: or pause even :/
[19:20:50] clever: GreyFoxx: my seeking within the FE is a bit broken
[19:20:54] clever: might be related
[19:21:14] clever: when editing the cutlist i try to seek backwards 1sec and often wind up going forward
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[19:40:15] joyzlin: hi there. anyone tried compiling latest trunk/multirec? it reports undefined MM_SSE in filter_greedyhdeint.c...
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[19:40:48] GreyFoxx: there was a resync to trunk yesterday and trunk is undergoing a lot of changes integrating win32 compilsupport
[19:40:59] GreyFoxx: but I haven't tried it myself yet
[19:41:12] Huijari: joyzlin: yeah, i tried but i got the same thing
[19:41:30] joyzlin: so if nobody has a fix I'll report it in the dev list
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[19:42:55] FinnTux: excuse me – just got here so I have to ask...resync of what?
[19:43:50] clever: the 14800 sync or a new sync?
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[19:45:40] justinh: FinnTux: resyncing the branch to trunk
[19:45:53] justinh: i.e. bringing changes to trunk into the branch
[19:46:02] FinnTux: ok
[19:47:26] Andycasss: Is there any way to enable looping the axis/buttons of my joystick? Right now i have to press the axis buttons for hundreds of times to scroll in mythvideo
[19:48:44] GreyFoxx: yeah, so as of yesterday multirec was fully in sync with trunk
[19:49:00] GreyFoxx: but at the rate stuff is being commited over the last week or 2 that can be quite different by now :)
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[19:49:52] wild_oscar: hi there
[19:49:52] wild_oscar: is it possible to automatically search imdb and update the metadata with the mythweb interface?
[19:50:01] wild_oscar: I see that i can set the imdb number, but the metadata is not updated accordingly
[19:50:13] justinh: no
[19:50:18] Chase: I just got a radeon 2400 HD Pro, but AGP version meaning fglrx 3d acceleration doesn't work (bad driver development)
[19:50:34] Chase: when I try to watch tv on my 16:9 tv, it takes standard def and stretches it
[19:50:37] joyzlin: ok, I have just fixed the compilation problem by removing --arch=athlon-xp from the configure
[19:50:38] justinh: oops. you bought an ATI card. that was silly
[19:50:39] Chase: no matter what I do with settings
[19:51:05] wild_oscar: justinh: was that for me?
[19:51:11] clever: i got a radeon which partialy works with fglrx but 2d acceration doesnt work(xv)
[19:51:15] Chase: anyone know why it would be fullscreening standard definition tv?
[19:51:17] clever: and neither driver can get compix
[19:51:35] Chase: clever, what mythtv settings do you use?
[19:51:50] clever: Chase: mostly the defaults for everything
[19:52:01] clever: i beleive the radeon box us using an opensource driver
[19:52:35] clever: the rage laptop is using the 'r128' driver i beleive
[19:54:24] justinh: oh good gried the new mythweather is hard work
[19:55:30] clever: last time i tryed that it didnt work at all:P
[19:57:11] clever: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/12/ . . . 8/933/420107
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[19:58:17] ** justinh sees a black helicopter move towards clever **
[19:58:25] clever: lol
[19:58:29] clever: im not in the usa
[19:58:40] clever: they would have to cross a border to get me:P
[19:58:56] justinh: never heard of 'rendition' ? :P
[19:59:06] ** clever googles:P **
[19:59:37] clever: justinh: now that i think of it
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[19:59:42] clever: i have a redition video card
[19:59:51] clever: justinh: is that what you where refering to?
[19:59:59] justinh: ARGHHHH!
[20:00:04] ** justinh whacks mythweather **
[20:01:15] clever: ah that rendition
[20:01:25] clever: what did i do that could have been ilegal?:P
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[20:01:58] justinh: I can't make head nor tail of this plugin :-\
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[20:09:29] Andycasss: Is there a way to achieve a joystick button looping? Integrate something like – http://www.autohotkey.com/docs/commands/GetKeyState.htm
[20:10:26] clever: who wants to read over http://pastebin.ca/815120 and find the crash source?
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[20:20:32] Anduin: clever: TaskQueue is upnp, I'm not sure that "actual multiple thread running" issue has been fixed.
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[20:27:22] darkizard: any one here
[20:27:24] darkizard: ?
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[20:28:34] Anduin: clever: Which certainly could be caused by a simple wait(1000) for the thread to exit before deleting...
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[20:34:08] clever: Anduin: would that be 1sec or 1000 sec?
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[20:51:02] darkizard: has one had this problem were u reboot linux and it boots till it says "will only mount local filingsystem" then stops booting?
[20:51:48] iamlindoro_: Sounds like a problem for #yourdistro
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[20:59:15] darkizard: i think it fucked lol
[20:59:28] fryfrog: sounds like it booted into single user mode?
[20:59:33] fryfrog: and maybe wants you to fsck
[20:59:48] fryfrog: but iamlindoro_ is right, this sounds like something you should explore in the channel for your distro
[21:00:03] darkizard: yeah
[21:00:13] darkizard: i gona have to reload it all
[21:00:19] fryfrog: i doubt it
[21:00:27] fryfrog: unless that is just the easy way :/
[21:00:56] darkizard: well they say it screwed
[21:01:06] darkizard: boot from live
[21:01:08] darkizard: cd
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[21:01:14] iamlindoro_: Haha, guess it depends on how competent your distro peeps are
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[21:01:16] darkizard: and run smart somthing
[21:01:36] iamlindoro_: If it's the gentoo peeps, they may be right... if It's Ubuntu... it's often the blind leading the blind :)
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[21:01:49] fryfrog: hahah
[21:01:49] darkizard: smartctl
[21:01:59] fryfrog: oh, they think your hard drive is failed?
[21:02:00] darkizard: it debian dreamlinux
[21:02:49] darkizard: it has a few things on the screen
[21:03:16] justinh: things? lol
[21:03:24] justinh: wipe them off
[21:03:34] iamlindoro_: yeah, the things are obscuring the stuff
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[21:04:41] iamlindoro_: And then you'll never get to the bottom of the whatchimacallit that's ruining your whosit.
[21:04:56] justinh: phone Rentokil & tell them you have an infestation of them that Bit Weevil varmints
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[21:06:55] oobe: hi all
[21:07:19] ** DarkUranium waves **
[21:07:20] DarkUranium: hies
[21:07:44] oobe: im having probs with mythfrontend freezing or lagging when i go thru menus does anyone know what could of coursed this?
[21:08:26] oobe: *caused
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[21:09:26] oobe: an example would be if i go to utitlities / setup then make a selection it appears to freeze
[21:10:19] fryfrog: navigating with a remote or kb?
[21:10:31] oobe: either
[21:10:32] Anduin: clever: those are milliseconds, the timeout is mostly irrelevant (the () waits forever), the problem is that regardless of wait(timeout) that task queue is deleted and deleting a QThread doesn't do what you might expect (it warns you with a text message, it doesn't terminate the thread)
[21:10:36] fryfrog: :/
[21:10:41] oobe: i have a few third party themes could that of coursed it
[21:10:59] fryfrog: are you *using* one of them?
[21:11:01] justinh: most likely you're low on memory
[21:11:02] fryfrog: or they just exist?
[21:11:22] justinh: if you're trying to use blootube-wide on less than a gig of ram.. OOPS
[21:11:23] Toxicity999: Hmmm does xinitrc parse in order or just attempt to simultaneously execute all it can? trying to cleanly slip in nvidia-settings -l before I start myth with my custom x setup.
[21:11:32] Anduin: clever: So that is very bad code, I think Nigel P is working on it, I'll try to remember an e-mail to him later tonight.
[21:11:55] fryfrog: Toxicity999: in order of the file, it does them one by one waiting for them to end
[21:12:06] fryfrog: of course, if you have & at the end... it'll just fire it off and forget about it
[21:12:18] Toxicity999: right.
[21:12:21] fryfrog: so if that nvidia-settings command runs then exits, you could leave off the &
[21:12:22] oobe: no i switched back to retro
[21:12:29] justinh: and if it's a problem with a 3rd party theme you could try finding somebody who gives a damn
[21:12:31] fryfrog: and it'll just take a little longer to start up, i think
[21:12:49] oobe: i have 1GB of ram and 1.3 GB of swap
[21:13:05] justinh: oobe: switching themes without restarting mythfrontend won't clear the memory out
[21:13:30] oobe: no i only mentioned the themes incase that had somthing to do with it
[21:13:45] justinh: probably does, or at least it _can_
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[21:13:51] oobe: as its the only thing i can think that has changed since it started happening
[21:14:38] oobe: and i have kept the same theme for a while to see if it would get any better
[21:15:11] oobe: it may have more to do with my system than myth
[21:15:33] oobe: perhaps its X freezing for a few seconds
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[21:15:54] oobe: its not as noticable when browsing the web or using other apps
[21:15:55] darkizard: can i paste my error in here
[21:16:11] iamlindoro_: pastebin.ca
[21:16:18] oobe: Use http://pastebin.ca/
[21:16:23] oobe: :P
[21:17:18] fryfrog: GreyFoxx: what distro do you use? Do you use the mplayer from it?
[21:17:20] darkizard: http://pastebin.ca/815172
[21:17:38] Toxicity999: damnit, I can not get video to stop tearing. I hacked up my nvidia settings dot file to what I believe would remedy things, the various display syncs, and it should be loading the settings just fine, but still tearing.
[21:18:18] iamlindoro_: uhh... there's no error in that error
[21:18:37] darkizard: that all i get on boot up
[21:18:45] darkizard: it just stops there
[21:19:27] iamlindoro_: I assume you typed that out by hand
[21:20:04] iamlindoro_: Anyway, your problem could be anything without an actual error
[21:20:09] directhex: GreyFoxx is the last remaining user in the world of yggdrasil linux
[21:21:12] iamlindoro_: But, as your distro folks suggested, probably best to get into a live CD and fsck all the filesystems
[21:21:12] darkizard: yes
[21:21:37] fryfrog: or just check that your hard drive isn't failing :/
[21:22:14] iamlindoro_: yup
[21:22:40] iamlindoro_: In which case all the reinstalling in the world won't help :)
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[21:51:38] iamlindoro_: Whoah. videomanager.cpp has changed significantly in the last few weeks..
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[21:53:55] darkizard: iamlindoro i put a live boot cd
[21:53:57] darkizard: in
[21:54:05] darkizard: said checking hda
[21:54:23] darkizard: now it the screen looks like the matrix
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[21:54:35] iamlindoro_: You may have a dead/dying drive
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[21:54:57] darkizard: fuck
[21:55:04] darkizard: that a 500 gig one
[21:55:41] iamlindoro_: Not a guarantee, just a possibility
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[22:01:29] darkizard: yeap it hdd
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[22:02:30] gbee: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/both.png
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[22:03:39] directhex: gbee, aliasing needs sorting out on the black one, but i like the white one
[22:04:28] mindframe-: speaking of drives dying in a myth box... what's a good cronable solution to take nightly images of a partition?
[22:04:38] mindframe-: or a full drive
[22:04:58] mindframe-: obviously it would be backed up to an nfs share
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[22:05:05] Toxicity999: anyone know of a working cheap direct access tuner? Specifically to be used for console gaming. I just have a PVR-150, it being a hardware encoder and dumping raw mpeg-2, I presume there would be a noticeable delay there.
[22:05:17] jhulst: mindframe-: dd?
[22:05:27] mindframe-: i guess i need to read up on dd
[22:06:01] jhulst: Toxicity999: The PVR-150 does have a large noticeable delay, I'm not sure of any other solutions though
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[22:06:41] Toxicity999: Well a card not dumping mpeg, and just using direct access (like a real TV tuner in a TV set) would have no more than normal delay
[22:06:46] iamlindoro_: Toxicity999, You're aware that you'll never be able to play console games on Myth regardless of tuner though, right?
[22:06:47] Toxicity999: assuming the hardware wasn't crap
[22:07:12] Toxicity999: Sure you can.
[22:07:15] mindframe-: i think he just means feeding the video signal through myth
[22:07:20] mindframe-: right?
[22:07:29] Toxicity999: Right, hence my discussion of TV tuners ;P
[22:07:35] iamlindoro_: Even with livetv, it will still always have a several second delay regardless of tuner type
[22:07:52] Toxicity999: I could rig it with mplayer and a menu entry just fine.
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[22:08:02] Toxicity999: a tuner which supports direct live access
[22:08:10] iamlindoro_: Then it's not mythtv
[22:08:15] Toxicity999: Right... I'm aware.
[22:08:35] mindframe-: i don't see much of a point unless you want to record your gaming session
[22:09:00] Toxicity999: it's convenient, then I pipe everything through my server, no fiddling with my TV remote of input changing.
[22:09:06] mindframe-: true
[22:09:08] Toxicity999: and it's a fun hack =]
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[22:09:55] Toxicity999: tuners which basically just let you view what's on that second, and don't themselves dump video could be wrangled for it, but I'm not sure what to look for there. They would probably be cheaper.
[22:11:06] iamlindoro_: The closest you will get is with any old framegrabber... they're all cheap, yes
[22:11:36] Toxicity999: yea, so it doesn't need to even be a "TV tuner" per se, just a composite in recorder of some kind.
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[22:12:23] Toxicity999: assuming I can find such a specialty card it'd be way cheaper. than a half-blown TV Tuner.
[22:14:16] Toxicity999: Cool, such things do exist mainstream.
[22:14:22] jhulst: Toxicity999: If you do find one, let me know :) I've been thinking about doing the same thing
[22:14:35] Toxicity999: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . &name=No
[22:14:50] Toxicity999: they have no real TV tuner, just decoders for specific input channels, like Composite, Svideo, etc
[22:15:19] Toxicity999: but 20$ seems a bit much for something sooooo simple.
[22:16:12] iamlindoro_: Just get an old, plain hauppauge WinTV board, that'll do the job, second hand
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[22:16:43] iamlindoro_: Just the plain ol, non PVR-anything, just "WinTV."
[22:17:36] iamlindoro_: Or anything with a BT878/848 should work as you want it to
[22:17:51] iamlindoro_: Some of the old AverMedias should fit the bill too
[22:21:04] iamlindoro_: Jeez, three commits since I compiled on the first backend and ssh'ed into the second...
[22:21:32] iamlindoro_: Coming fast and furious here
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[22:24:36] clever: lol
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[22:29:28] iamlindoro_: Argh, I can't stand lack of personal responsibility on mythtvtalk/dev/user list... Every third message overtly or passively blames mythTV for user idiocy... "DVB-C Scan is messed up in Mythtv..." "MythTV won't find backend..."
[22:30:32] iamlindoro_: Although I guess it's no more specific for them to create topics like "I am fucking retarded."
[22:36:09] bsdfox_: anyone got ideas on changing the default umask used by mythtranscode?
[22:39:21] AndyCap: is it inherited from the users login .profile?
[22:42:39] Toxicity999: Alright it seems with some digging you can get the newer TV Tuners to have "live preview" meaning no delay, for windows there appears to be a registry hack with the haupp. drivers, anyone know of such a control in our drivers?
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[22:54:37] Toxicity999: How would I use something, xawtv, mplayer, vlc, whatever to access video of my tuner card on the composite channel?
[22:55:25] clever: mplayer can do it easily
[22:55:51] clever: mplayer tv:// to start with
[22:56:03] clever: man page explains it all
[22:56:40] iamlindoro_: set your input with v4l2-ctl --set-input if necessary
[22:57:19] clever: i had made a hacked up video stream from that in the past
[22:57:23] clever: before i knew of myth
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[22:57:45] iamlindoro_: you can list your video inputs by number with v4l2-ctl --get-input, btw
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[22:58:47] iamlindoro_: er, that's --list-input
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[23:02:50] Jonny88: can anybody help, wanting to know about PVR150 as an IR blaster, but don't know which version to get? I've seen with + without remote, slimline, MCE, 'HardPVR' etc. Help anyone (I'm in the UK)
[23:03:24] iamlindoro_: You mean PVR-150 WITH Ir Blaster, right?
[23:03:27] iamlindoro_: not as?
[23:03:41] iamlindoro_: Get the MCE edition/ Comes with IR Receiver and Blaster, both linux compatible.
[23:03:59] iamlindoro_: USB Device
[23:06:09] dserban: irblaster.info <--- good stuff to control my cable box?
[23:06:23] iamlindoro_: Yes, those will work fine
[23:06:39] Jonny88: ianlindoro_: yes. sorry, up since 5 so sleepy and not thinking as I type. Does the normal remote version also have IR blaster? I'm also worried about getting a HVR1600 or something in the box instead, is this likely?
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[23:07:08] dserban: directhex recommended a media keyboard... by logitech.. anyone know what model is the newest one?  :s
[23:07:15] dserban: I don't remember what it's called
[23:07:38] dserban: iamlindoro, thanks, I'll place the order now.
[23:07:40] directhex: dinovo
[23:07:42] directhex: not cheap
[23:07:55] dserban: directhex, yeah didn't think it was.
[23:07:59] iamlindoro_: Jonny88, if you get an HVR-1600, you can get Haupp to replace it with a 150... And I believe the normal (non MCE) 150 is ir Receiver only
[23:08:29] iamlindoro_: MCE has RCA audio in instead of stereo minijack, and gives you USB receiver and blaster w/ better remote... all worth the price IMHO
[23:08:36] dserban: ahh it's a dinovo edge
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[23:09:38] dserban: ehh, those harmony remotes... pretty good iyho? (works with everything?)
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[23:10:12] iamlindoro_: People seem to love them... I could only really see myself getting one if I got the Top end one with LCD
[23:10:28] iamlindoro_: With Myth, I think most people set them to emulate the MCEusb remote
[23:10:55] Jonny88: cheers for that. Its about £1 more expensive for MCE over the 'HardPVR' I was going to get... just a cpl of questions, how does the IR blater/reciever 'see' the remote control and Freeview/Cable/Sky at the same time? Surely they'r at different angles? And Can I switch to a different remote without losing the blaster functionality later on? Cheers
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[23:12:24] iamlindoro_: Jonny88, the Receiver is a little box out of USB, and handles receiving only... the Blaster is a little wire that comes out of that and gets stuck onto the front of your Set Top Box... All remotes (both those being received and being "blasted"/emulated) are defined in software in a lircd.conf file
[23:12:44] iamlindoro_: The codes for any remote you plan to use/emulate are stored there.
[23:13:12] iamlindoro_: So you can add/change remotes at will once you understand how to set them up properly. It can be a bit tricky the first time, but it's fairly simple once you "get it."
[23:14:03] Jonny88: many thanks. I've heard contrasting opinions on whether my Virgin PACE box is blaster'able' where will I find the config files on the net or do I need to make them?
[23:14:46] iamlindoro_: Jonny88, easiest thing to do is check into the pre-existing remtoes at lirc.org/remotes... if it's not there, you'll either have to find someone else who has posted one, or record it yourself with the irrecord command
[23:15:20] Jonny88: thanks very much. better go now, think the gf's getting lonely =P
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[23:19:47] Toxicity999: Okay... when I have composite and coaxial input going, it seems like they completely fsck one another up, LiveTV from Coaxial is corrupted, and likewise composite, and the composite appears to be showing part of the coaxial input.
[23:21:05] Toxicity999: any ideas?
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[23:23:23] duerF: Has anyone had problems with switching channels in livetv between inputs, Composite -> Tuner, I'm using ivtv pvr-500
[23:23:51] duerF: using svn trunk
[23:24:01] iamlindoro_: duerf, you're going to need to be specific about what "problems" you mean
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[23:25:45] duerF: uhm
[23:25:48] duerF: ahh, the error :)
[23:26:17] duerF: I'm gonna venture a 3 line paste if that is ok?
[23:26:22] iamlindoro_: pastebin.ca
[23:26:46] duerF: http://pastebin.ca/815322
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[23:27:37] iamlindoro_: did you look at this? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2007-October/057659.html
[23:28:03] iamlindoro_: ie, are your inputs set to the proper format across the board?
[23:28:09] duerF: yeah, I'm quite sure it isn't my problem
[23:28:29] duerF: Just updated them from "Default" which I was sure was PAL anyways, to PAL
[23:29:05] duerF: And I know that PAL is a valid format
[23:31:08] iamlindoro_: I sitll have a suspicion that it's related to how your card is defined/how the inputs are set up. you might delete the card in mythtv-setup and recreate it, going through each step carefully... you won't lost listings or anything so long as you don't erase video sources
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[23:34:57] duerF: ok
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[23:36:24] Toxicity999: Alright, got that working, back to my original question.. anyone know something similar to the windows registry hack for hauppages to allow "livepreview" essentially playing back input live without dumping mpeg.
[23:36:41] Toxicity999: Specifically for one input channel (composite)
[23:37:09] iamlindoro_: I don't, IVTV guys would probably be the only ones who would know how/if it's possible... and it will probably require hacking the driver
[23:37:55] Toxicity999: #ivtv
[23:37:59] iamlindoro_: yeah
[23:38:02] Toxicity999: whoops totally meant join on that
[23:38:09] Toxicity999: *coough* well
[23:39:22] iamlindoro_: toxicity999, take a look at this, too: //www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06581.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@lists. . . . sg06581.html
[23:39:23] tank-man: Toxicity999, when/if you find out, let me know too :)
[23:39:33] Toxicity999: lol
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[23:41:41] Toxicity999: It would be pretty slick if I could hack together some scripts for 150 users to play with game consoles 0 delay.
[23:41:51] Toxicity999: assuming ivtv has any support for it.
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[23:47:02] Toxicity999: no one seems to be alive in the ivtv dev channel.
[23:47:13] iamlindoro_: they commonly take a very very long time to respond
[23:48:05] Toxicity999: Well I've established bypassing the encoder *is* possible, I just have no clue if ivtv has such a thing implemented.
[23:50:26] GreyFoxx: Sure you can access the raw YV12 feed
[23:52:49] Toxicity999: any information on how to accomplish that, or ideas of how to rig mplayer, or even the myth internal player preferably to handle that?
[23:53:05] GreyFoxx: the internal player wont, but I've used mplayer to do it
[23:53:11] GreyFoxx: but that's just video, nto audio
[23:53:18] GreyFoxx: though you can also access raw pcm video
[23:53:21] GreyFoxx: err pcm audio
[23:53:44] Toxicity999: I'm trying to rig it for a gaming console, so audio is a must, and all direct access.
[23:53:47] GreyFoxx: the ivtv driver exposes. OR are least it use to prior to be integrated in the kernel a couple /dev/video* nodes which let you att it
[23:54:36] GreyFoxx: In the past you could use /dev/video24 I think
[23:54:37] iamlindoro_: aw, may be /dev/video32
[23:54:41] GreyFoxx: no idea how it's done now
[23:54:41] iamlindoro_: I think 24 is the audio
[23:54:45] GreyFoxx: yeah
[23:54:47] GreyFoxx: that's right
[23:54:53] GreyFoxx: 24 is audio, 32 was video
[23:55:13] GreyFoxx: and you could play it with mplayer if you used the HM12 or HV12 command
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[23:55:42] Toxicity999: hmmm
[23:55:44] GreyFoxx: (note there is no way you are going to do with via the backend and such)
[23:56:00] GreyFoxx: these days though it might just be a couple IOCTL calls and using the normal /dev/video0
[23:56:24] Toxicity999: scripting something up to switch to a different input, then use mplayer to display the raw feed access might be REALLy messy though.
[23:56:39] Toxicity999: Plus, what happens when the backend says record and mplayer had a lock on it?
[23:56:49] Toxicity999: (one tuner card)
[23:56:53] GreyFoxx: exactly.
[23:57:05] Toxicity999: If I were careful... it's still a fun hack.
[23:57:09] GreyFoxx: But if you launch mplayer via the menus you can "lock" the tuner so the backned wont try to use it
[23:57:18] GreyFoxx: there is a xml flag for that
[23:57:32] Toxicity999: My mplayer-fu is weak.
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[23:57:57] iamlindoro_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . 88;list=ivtv
[23:58:18] iamlindoro_: That should be pretty much exactly what you want to do
[23:58:25] Toxicity999: Wow... could you find something a bit more exactly what I'm doing? O_o
[23:58:28] Toxicity999: Creepy.
[23:58:41] iamlindoro_: heh
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[23:59:34] GreyFoxx: Personally I'd buy a cheap framebuffer, and launch XAWTV frm the menu when you want to play games, leaving the pvr card for the backend
[23:59:38] iamlindoro_: Just make sure to use the fix a ways down the page to avoid his problem
[23:59:40] Toxicity999: holy fsck, that works fine.
[23:59:49] GreyFoxx: it's heap, easy and takes 5 minutes to setup

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