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| [00:08:03] | Saviq: | hmm guys... shouldn't klicking 'forget old' on a show that has 'previously recorded' status |
| [00:08:22] | Saviq: | 'forget' the 'previously...' status? |
| [00:08:35] | Saviq: | and reschedule the showing? |
| [00:14:11] | tank-man: | unless something else with a higher priority exists i'm thinking |
| [00:16:16] | iamlindoro_: | saviq, Have you run mythfilldatabase since then? Also, you may want to run it with --refresh-all |
| [00:31:02] | squish102: | does any1 know the icons on the recordings screen – no entry sign? |
| [00:31:45] | squish102: | book? toiet roll? sissors? speaker? CC sign? |
| [00:31:48] | iamlindoro_: | F1 |
| [00:31:50] | iamlindoro_: | press it |
| [00:31:54] | squish102: | cool |
| [00:32:23] | iamlindoro_: | And those will look different (somewhat) per theme |
| [00:32:39] | squish102: | f1 has everything i needed thx |
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| [01:32:34] | squish102: | how often is the job queue attempted |
| [01:32:50] | squish102: | i have 2 things in there and waiting for them to run |
| [01:33:07] | squish102: | status is queued and there is nothing else running |
| [01:36:09] | mzb_d800: | squidly: iirc, there are two things: "How often to check for jobs" and "Number of jobs to run on this host" |
| [01:36:48] | squish102: | thanks |
| [01:36:52] | mzb_d800: | running a frontend counts as a job (I think) so if you have a combined FE+BE you need to increase "Number of jobs" to 2 |
| [01:37:38] | mzb_d800: | there's also a cpu usage setting in there somewhere so that the BE doesn't run a job while it's otherwise busy (eg. running a FE ... or something else) |
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| [01:42:36] | iamlindoro: | Frontend doesn't count as a job.. not does backend. |
| [01:42:38] | iamlindoro: | er nor does |
| [01:43:27] | iamlindoro: | and if the queued jobs are user-defined jobs (ie not commercial flagging or mythtranscode), then you also need to check the allow User job x in mythtv-setup |
| [01:48:34] | mzb_d800: | ok, my mistake ... though't I'd come across that somewhere |
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| [02:01:51] | Pogonip__: | Can someone help me setup nfs? I setup the Server based on directions I googled, but the client doesn't see it. |
| [02:02:55] | fryfrog: | Pogonip__: sure, when you get down to it NFS is actually pretty simple |
| [02:03:05] | fryfrog: | do you have portmap running on both the client and server? |
| [02:03:21] | fryfrog: | and can you mount the nfs export *on* the server itself (as a test?) |
| [02:04:00] | Pogonip__: | I have portmap running on this "server" side and let me check the client in the other room. |
| [02:05:39] | Pogonip__: | I just read the rest of your post, I can mount the nfs on the server side? This way I can confirm the server side setup. Let me check. |
| [02:05:59] | fryfrog: | yup, just don't mount it in the same place :) |
| [02:06:15] | fryfrog: | i'm sure you restared nfs after you setup your /etc/exports, right? |
| [02:06:24] | fryfrog: | and uh "exportfs" works? |
| [02:06:37] | fryfrog: | rather, it lists your exported file system(s)? |
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| [02:09:24] | Pogonip__: | fryfrog, the instructions seem simple enough, but somehow i'm missing something. |
| [02:09:31] | fryfrog: | to do what? |
| [02:09:43] | fryfrog: | type "exportfs" and put the output in pastebin.ca |
| [02:09:44] | Pogonip__: | fryfrog, If I run sudo mount 192.168.1.111:/var/lib/mythtv/ |
| [02:09:44] | Pogonip__: | on the server side. I get. |
| [02:09:57] | fryfrog: | also, throw your /etc/exports file into pastebin |
| [02:10:01] | Pogonip__: | mount: can't find 192.168.1.111:/var/lib/mythtv/ in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| [02:10:07] | mzb: | # exportfs -ra |
| [02:10:09] | fryfrog: | you have to have a *destination* :p |
| [02:10:31] | Pogonip__: | Fryfrog, will do, give me a second. |
| [02:10:33] | fryfrog: | what is -ra? |
| [02:10:54] | fryfrog: | like "sudo mount -t nfs 192.168.1.111:/var/lib/mythtv /mnt |
| [02:11:36] | fryfrog: | oh, is that instead of restarting nfsd? |
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| [02:12:35] | BULLE: | anyone using nfs v4 here, or all still using v3 ? |
| [02:12:44] | BULLE: | i still cant stand v3 filelocking crap |
| [02:12:54] | fryfrog: | v3 here |
| [02:13:00] | fryfrog: | actually, i was looking at coda the other day |
| [02:13:12] | fryfrog: | it looks retarded sweet, but a lot of the docs mention like windows95 :/ |
| [02:13:30] | fryfrog: | makes me wonder how active / new it is, even if NFS is decades old too |
| [02:13:43] | Pogonip__: | fryfrog; OK here's my export http://pastebin.ca/812887 |
| [02:14:32] | fryfrog: | http://pastebin.ca/812889 |
| [02:14:37] | fryfrog: | that is mine, hardly any different |
| [02:14:51] | fryfrog: | yours gives your folder to a specific ip though, you might want to let your entire network use it |
| [02:14:58] | mzb: | fryfrog: yes ... helps to prevent other hosts (if connected) from having a heart attack ;) |
| [02:15:05] | fryfrog: | so if your *client* is .112, then your server .111 won't be able to do it |
| [02:15:13] | fryfrog: | mzb: ah, nice trick to learn! |
| [02:15:33] | fryfrog: | Pogonip__: on the *client* side... |
| [02:15:40] | mzb: | BULLE: I use a combination of v3 and v4 depending on the purpose |
| [02:15:59] | fryfrog: | my /etc/fstab has "10.0.1.2:/data /data nfs soft,intr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,async,nfsvers=3,bg,actimeo=0,tcp 0 0" in it, but mine is a little tweaked for 1000mbit |
| [02:16:09] | fryfrog: | i *tried* to setup nfs4, but didn't get very far |
| [02:18:45] | BULLE: | mzb: do they still only support kerberos and systemauth ? |
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| [02:20:02] | BULLE: | fryfrog: i kind of gave up when i realised the only way to get any sane auth and rights management was to use kerberos |
| [02:20:27] | BULLE: | fryfrog: mind, that was due to other stuff not being implemented then |
| [02:20:37] | BULLE: | so in the end i just use samba, but im not that happy about samba |
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| [02:21:14] | Pogonip__: | fryfrog; On the server side (192.168.1.111), /var/lib/mythtv is the directory I want to export; 192.168.1.112 is the only client with access; and rw,no_root_squash,async are the permissions? |
| [02:21:14] | k-man_: | hello |
| [02:21:31] | mzb: | BULLE: no idea, I pretty much use it for other reasons |
| [02:21:48] | mzb: | (aka fsid=0) |
| [02:21:52] | k-man_: | can anyone tell me if 802.11g is fast enough to stream FTA dvb-t HD tv over? (in australia) |
| [02:22:19] | BULLE: | k-man_: whats the bitrate ? |
| [02:22:24] | BULLE: | k-man_: of those broadcasts ? |
| [02:22:29] | k-man_: | BULLE, i was hoping you could tell me |
| [02:22:31] | BULLE: | mzb: what auth do you use ? just systemauth |
| [02:22:33] | k-man_: | i have no idea |
| [02:22:35] | BULLE: | k-man_: i dont live in australia |
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| [02:22:51] | BULLE: | k-man_: what videoformat are the broadcasts in ? |
| [02:23:54] | k-man_: | BULLE, no idea.... just googling it now |
| [02:23:58] | mzb: | BULLE: not sure |
| [02:24:09] | BULLE: | mzb: you just use it like you use v3 ? |
| [02:24:12] | BULLE: | if so,its systemauth |
| [02:24:13] | fryfrog: | Pogonip__: not permissions, more like options |
| [02:24:32] | mzb: | BULLE: pretty much, I just needed crossmnt |
| [02:24:43] | BULLE: | mzb: okies, its systemauth then |
| [02:25:13] | mzb: | BULLE + k-man: iirc, all dvb-t is mpeg2 ... not sure about HD but I suspect it is (I probably wouldn't have been able to transcode it otherwise) |
| [02:25:19] | Pogonip__: | fryfrog; OK so I kind of understand this side. Now i'm going to move to the client side |
| [02:25:21] | mzb: | (in oz that is) |
| [02:25:26] | BULLE: | mzb: bzzzp wrong |
| [02:25:35] | mzb: | ok |
| [02:25:46] | BULLE: | mzb: here, where we only use dvb, ALL hd broadcasts are in mpeg4 avc |
| [02:26:13] | mzb: | surprised me ... I'd have to do a test to confirm that here |
| [02:26:27] | BULLE: | dunno what you use, im just telling you what is used here |
| [02:26:28] | mzb: | (oz=.au, btw;) |
| [02:26:47] | BULLE: | i live on the uppside of earth, not the downside! |
| [02:26:52] | BULLE: | ( sweden ) |
| [02:27:03] | mzb: | oz = "arse end of the world" ;)) |
| [02:27:08] | BULLE: | =D |
| [02:28:32] | fryfrog: | Pogonip__: did a server side test mount work? it looks like it should, but... better to test |
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| [02:30:40] | BULLE: | k-man_: anyway, with good 802.11g hardware, and little interference from other wlan users, and a bit of caching on the filesystem level, you might be able to get low to perhaps mid quality hd media to work over 802.11g |
| [02:31:00] | BULLE: | eg 10–16mbit or so |
| [02:31:10] | BULLE: | much over that, and you will start to risk getting into problems |
| [02:31:13] | BULLE: | atleast that is my experience |
| [02:31:15] | k-man_: | BULLE, oh... so i really need to go for 11n to be sure |
| [02:31:29] | BULLE: | k-man_: mind, 11n is VERY badly supported in linux |
| [02:31:29] | kdubya: | or like |
| [02:31:34] | squish102: | are any settings specific to UPnP? |
| [02:31:34] | kdubya: | a few feet of cat5 |
| [02:31:47] | BULLE: | kdubya: ye, thats the safest bet indeed |
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| [02:32:27] | k-man_: | BULLE, *sigh* |
| [02:32:45] | k-man_: | BULLE, i want to set up a wireless link using openwrt |
| [02:32:50] | Pogonip: | ok good news, i used "sudo mount -t nfs 192.168.1.111:/var/lib/mythtv /mnt" on the client side and it mounted. Now I just have to figure out what i did |
| [02:33:01] | rainman: | hello, im having problems with make on Trunk, i get these errors util-opengl.cpp: In function ‘void (* get_gl_proc_address(const QString&))()’: |
| [02:33:02] | rainman: | util-opengl.cpp:312: error: ‘glXGetProcAddressARB’ was not declared in this scope |
| [02:33:11] | BULLE: | k-man_: what speed do you get out of the wlan right now ? |
| [02:33:16] | fryfrog: | well, really, now you just need to mount it where you want it :) |
| [02:33:21] | k-man_: | BULLE, i don't have it set up yet |
| [02:33:25] | fryfrog: | rainman: make distclean |
| [02:33:31] | k-man_: | i'm trying to spec the hardware i will need |
| [02:33:39] | fryfrog: | (&& ./configure && make && sudo make install) |
| [02:33:42] | Pogonip: | thanks fryfrog |
| [02:33:48] | rainman: | i did fryfrog |
| [02:33:57] | rainman: | no go |
| [02:34:01] | BULLE: | k-man_: the two things you need to know is 1) the bitrate of the media you want to stream 2) connection quality between the two points you want to connect |
| [02:34:05] | rainman: | and i deleted those files and did svn update |
| [02:34:09] | fryfrog: | humm, sorry then no advice i can think of :/ |
| [02:34:10] | BULLE: | k-man_: without knowing those two, its impossible to say if it will work or not |
| [02:34:16] | k-man_: | BULLE, right... i don't know either yet |
| [02:34:16] | DustyBin: | How to Get More Sex 3 – ITV1 Thu Dec 13, 2007 (10:00 PM) 30 mins :-D |
| [02:34:18] | k-man_: | hehe |
| [02:34:30] | fryfrog: | score! |
| [02:34:45] | ** BULLE has highscore ** | |
| [02:34:45] | rainman: | thats ok |
| [02:34:45] | rainman: | thanks, anyone else |
| [02:35:31] | BULLE: | k-man_: 100% 351MB 2.0MB/s 02:58 |
| [02:35:39] | BULLE: | k-man_: is what i get out of my 802.11g wlan setup |
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| [02:35:58] | k-man_: | right, thansk |
| [02:36:11] | k-man_: | 2mega bytes/sec? (or is that bits?) |
| [02:36:16] | BULLE: | meag bytes |
| [02:36:20] | BULLE: | mega BYTES |
| [02:36:30] | jedix: | that's bytes.. that scp? |
| [02:36:39] | BULLE: | jedix: ye |
| [02:36:39] | fryfrog: | 2MB/sec would just *barely* be enough to do HD afair |
| [02:36:47] | jedix: | BULLE: try non-encrypted |
| [02:36:50] | fryfrog: | i think that'd be iffy |
| [02:36:56] | BULLE: | fryfrog: ye, thats why i said low to perhaps midquality hd |
| [02:37:04] | fryfrog: | cpu isn't going to be the limiting factor on that |
| [02:37:06] | BULLE: | jedix: it makes no big difference |
| [02:37:17] | jedix: | k |
| [02:37:19] | fryfrog: | unless he is doing it between a pair of p100s or something :) |
| [02:37:27] | mzb: | k-man_: without encryption, and an excellent signal you should be able to get 25MB/s from a (decent) openwrt box |
| [02:37:38] | BULLE: | nah, the slower machine is an athlon64 3400+ |
| [02:37:50] | jedix: | yeah, no problem there then. |
| [02:37:55] | k-man_: | mzb, using 802.11g? and anyway, i'll need encryptio |
| [02:37:56] | fryfrog: | you mean wireless encryption or the encryption from ssh mzb ? |
| [02:37:57] | k-man_: | n |
| [02:38:26] | mzb: | fryfrog: wireless |
| [02:38:44] | BULLE: | the current kernel have some pretty nasty issues with rt based network cards |
| [02:38:56] | BULLE: | if i use the legacy driver speed goes up a bit |
| [02:38:59] | BULLE: | 2.1 to 2.2 |
| [02:39:29] | BULLE: | but i cant be arsed to compile and replace the module for each kernel upgrade |
| [02:39:30] | mzb: | encryption adds overhead (reduces effective bandwidth) |
| [02:39:45] | mzb: | k-man: I have an Asus WL-500GP |
| [02:39:50] | mzb: | (running kk) |
| [02:39:58] | ** BULLE has an 54gs thingy ** | |
| [02:40:14] | mzb: | so, yes ... g |
| [02:40:15] | BULLE: | running whiterussian |
| [02:40:23] | BULLE: | q ! |
| [02:40:27] | BULLE: | ehm, wrong window |
| [02:41:08] | kdubya: | haha |
| [02:41:20] | BULLE: | i guess i will switch to kk when x-wrt webcrap works ok |
| [02:41:37] | mzb: | works ok for me ;) |
| [02:42:22] | mzb: | root@router:~# grep x-wrt /etc/ipkg.conf |
| [02:42:23] | mzb: | src X-Wrt http://downloads.x-wrt.org/xwrt/kamikaze/7.07/brcm-2.4/packages |
| [02:43:52] | BULLE: | mzb: oh nice, was quite some time since i looked at kk |
| [02:43:59] | BULLE: | mzb: and back then the gui click click stuff wasnt there |
| [02:44:07] | mzb: | it's not |
| [02:44:11] | BULLE: | oh |
| [02:44:14] | mzb: | x-wrt is seperate |
| [02:44:15] | fryfrog: | you guys tried dd-wrt? |
| [02:44:18] | mzb: | no |
| [02:44:20] | BULLE: | i demand gui clic click stuff! |
| [02:44:23] | BULLE: | fryfrog: quite some time ago |
| [02:44:38] | mzb: | BULLE: you just have to install it ... it's "optional" now! :) |
| [02:44:41] | fryfrog: | best damn web-gui on a router i've seen, including *retail* (which of course are not that great) |
| [02:44:45] | BULLE: | fryfrog: nowadays i wouldnt recommend it to anyone, just get openwrt with the x-wrt webgui clickly clicky stuff |
| [02:44:56] | fryfrog: | is it a good ui? |
| [02:45:02] | BULLE: | i like it a lot |
| [02:45:17] | BULLE: | if its better then dd-wrt, well, yes, imho it is, but its a bit different |
| [02:45:23] | fryfrog: | i can't believe how good dd-wrt's ui is, maybe i'll snag a spare router and check out x-wrt |
| [02:45:28] | BULLE: | mzb: ah, i should take a look at it then |
| [02:45:54] | BULLE: | fryfrog: guess its mainly a matter of personal taste and what you are used to |
| [02:46:14] | BULLE: | fryfrog: i have svg graphs of cpu useage, bandwith etc in my openwrt setup! |
| [02:46:27] | mzb: | it's the system (and how it works) that interests me ... dd-wrt doesn't cut it ... and I don't care how nice the gui is (or how well it works) as long as some basic functions are covered |
| [02:46:45] | mzb: | gkrellmd ;) |
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| [02:47:13] | BULLE: | mzb: what do you miss from dd-wrt then, that openwrt/kk has ? |
| [02:49:16] | mzb: | freedom |
| [02:49:28] | BULLE: | mzb: they still dont list webif for kamikaze as available =( |
| [02:49:31] | BULLE: | mzb: on the x-wrt homepage |
| [02:49:47] | mzb: | how do you think I have a repo listed in ipkg.conf? |
| [02:50:12] | mzb: | FTP Site #1 (Firmware Images, Image Builder, SDK, Kamikaze Package Repository) |
| [02:51:08] | BULLE: | easy, i do trust you, that you run it |
| [02:51:15] | mzb: | http://downloads.x-wrt.org/xwrt/kamikaze/ |
| [02:51:27] | mzb: | http://wiki.x-wrt.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| [02:51:29] | BULLE: | but from what i can see, its not ready yet, atleast not from the x-wrt homepage and the authors point of view |
| [02:51:41] | BULLE: | support is only for a few models of the routers, and few hardware setups etc |
| [02:51:44] | mzb: | http://wiki.x-wrt.org/index.php/Kamikaze |
| [02:52:02] | mzb: | http://wiki.x-wrt.org/index.php/Kamikaze_Installation |
| [02:52:09] | BULLE: | ye |
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| [02:52:20] | BULLE: | im a covard |
| [02:52:26] | BULLE: | i will just wait until real release comes |
| [02:52:26] | mzb: | don't forget that docs (and the pages) are the last thing to be updated ;) |
| [02:52:29] | BULLE: | ye |
| [02:52:37] | BULLE: | im all happy with wr though, |
| [02:52:43] | BULLE: | works like a charm for me |
| [02:53:28] | fryfrog: | i like to be able to do the (few) things i want from a nice, lazy web gui |
| [02:53:41] | fryfrog: | i don't do anything extreme/crazy, so i'm happy with the "advanced" basics |
| [02:54:02] | fryfrog: | all i really need is some port forwarding, static dhcp assignments and... wireless, i spose |
| [02:54:07] | fryfrog: | nothing fancy :) |
| [02:54:14] | tarrybon1 is now known as tarrybone | |
| [02:57:17] | mzb: | I've gone a little further: vlan trunking, bluetooth pand+dund, openvpn ... etc |
| [02:57:34] | mzb: | working (vaguely) on camera atm |
| [02:58:23] | mzb: | when I get around to it |
| [02:58:28] | fryfrog: | nice |
| [02:58:35] | fryfrog: | the *one* thing i'd like to do is vpn |
| [02:58:52] | fryfrog: | openvpn, that is. i'd like to tie together my parents, sister and my router into a uh... vpn :) |
| [03:00:44] | fryfrog: | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/971317/insane_car_battery_hack/ |
| [03:00:46] | fryfrog: | ahhaha |
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| [03:04:20] | BULLE: | fryfrog: i already do that, but i use ipsec instead of openvpn |
| [03:05:18] | fryfrog: | ah, yeah i did it with pptp for a little while |
| [03:05:27] | BULLE: | ouch |
| [03:05:33] | ** BULLE no like pptp ** | |
| [03:05:37] | fryfrog: | it worked, then stopped at some point and i never bothered to fix it after reading how shitty pptp is :p |
| [03:05:54] | fryfrog: | i expored openvpn, but just didn't have the time to sit down and fiddle with it |
| [03:06:13] | fryfrog: | anyway, it is bed time |
| [03:06:14] | fryfrog: | night :) |
| [03:06:18] | BULLE: | yeah i started by looking at openvpn but realised that is was jsut yet another protocol |
| [03:06:24] | BULLE: | that wasnt supported on all the devices i wanted to use |
| [03:06:28] | BULLE: | so, ipsec it was |
| [03:06:38] | BULLE: | and, fedora has nice gui that does all foryou, so its just a simple click |
| [03:06:42] | BULLE: | hmm, i should sleep aswell |
| [03:06:46] | ** BULLE --sova & ** | |
| [03:06:52] | fryfrog: | i'll remember ipsec |
| [03:06:53] | fryfrog: | thanks :) |
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| [04:44:42] | lightning: | Q, i have lirc setup. irw shows the commands coming from the remote and the main menu works. However when i'm in the guide it will sometimes only allow moving 1 entry up/down/left/right. When it allows moving around the guide it will randomly jump to the very beginning for no apparent reason. ideas? |
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| [05:35:49] | robbak: | Just liek a number of people on the mailing list, I am getting seemingly random frontend and backend crashes with glibc error – "free() invalid next size (fast). Are there any solutions known, and is this likely to be a hardware issue: i do have reason to suspect my hardware. |
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| [05:41:14] | RyeBrye: | Strange... One of my recordings off of my PVR-500 seems to have both the spanish and the english audio track recorded |
| [05:41:21] | RyeBrye: | and they are playing back simultaneously... |
| [05:41:44] | RyeBrye: | any chance they were captured distinctly and I could turn the spanish off? |
| [05:42:36] | RyeBrye: | oh... maybe it was on the source channel that had the problem |
| [05:43:00] | RyeBrye: | because now it is working normally |
| [05:46:05] | robbak: | \help |
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| [06:24:50] | giuly: | Your frequency setting (10773250) is out of range. (min/max:950000/2150000) <-- Hi, is that a common error? |
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| [07:10:04] | ** sphery hates failing hard disk drives... ** | |
| [07:10:14] | NitohRyu: | hmm |
| [07:10:23] | NitohRyu: | how much time should i spend looking for a solution to my problem before i just ask |
| [07:10:26] | NitohRyu: | :P |
| [07:10:45] | sphery: | Might as well ask. |
| [07:11:03] | sphery: | I'm sitting here trying to figure out a more reliable way of copying the data off the failing disk. |
| [07:11:08] | NitohRyu: | my scheduled recordings don't record unless i'm in live tv mode |
| [07:11:39] | NitohRyu: | if i'm in the menus or watching a video or something it doesn't record any scheduled things |
| [07:11:59] | sphery: | After 6 hours, it's copied only about 6GB of recordings and only 3 of 12 recordings were copied successfully (most are only about 15MB of the recording) |
| [07:12:05] | NitohRyu: | eep :( |
| [07:12:20] | sphery: | Sounds a lot like http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [07:12:48] | sphery: | Even if that's messed up, LiveTV works (but that's often all that works) |
| [07:14:23] | NitohRyu: | hmm, delete all sources |
| [07:14:29] | NitohRyu: | fun for the whole family >_> |
| [07:14:29] | sphery: | Yep |
| [07:14:45] | NitohRyu: | thanks, i'll try that |
| [07:14:50] | sphery: | good luck |
| [07:15:01] | sphery: | hope it works better than my copy does |
| [07:15:13] | NitohRyu: | good luck with that |
| [07:15:17] | sphery: | (my cp'ing the data, that is) |
| [07:15:22] | sphery: | thxx |
| [07:16:18] | sphery: | Bad part is that for years I've been saying that I don't need RAID because it's just TV, but now that I have a failing disk that's causing me to lose recordings, I'm feeling sad. |
| [07:16:53] | sphery: | So far, all of the broken recordings are ones I don't care too much about (> 1yr old shows I haven't watched because they're low on my priority) |
| [07:17:33] | sphery: | So chances are, I'll be back to the "no RAID" opinion once it finishes, but the suspense is killing me |
| [07:18:57] | sphery: | It seems that I've had bad sectors growing at the end of the HDD (which is where all my old SDTV is located--don't ask how I know this). Much of the reason I haven't watched that is because it's SDTV, so this may just be a good excuse to delete it. |
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| [07:27:13] | rene: | anyone home? |
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| [07:27:47] | sphery: | for a bit |
| [07:27:53] | rene: | anyone here have tips to openchrome performance on a Via N8000E? |
| [07:28:06] | sphery: | Sorry. Can't help with that. |
| [07:28:31] | rene: | I've got an 800Mhz fanless via nanoITX and am rendering 1080i with it. Low CPU use but still dropping frames. |
| [07:28:40] | rene: | perhaps #openchrome is a better place to ask |
| [07:32:51] | NitohRyu: | ok |
| [07:33:01] | NitohRyu: | deleted all sources and recreated |
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| [07:33:20] | NitohRyu: | set up something to record in a half hour, we'll see how that goes |
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| [07:45:11] | clever: | sphery: try dd_rescue to copy files with bad sectors(or image the entire fs/partition) |
| [07:45:36] | clever: | sphery: it will try to skip over the bad sectors leaving gaps of null(but getting more data out) |
| [07:45:49] | clever: | sphery: but myth may have trouble playing around the damage |
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| [08:09:23] | Terrortoertchen: | good morning all |
| [08:09:25] | Terrortoertchen: | :) |
| [08:10:06] | clever: | morning |
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| [08:40:07] | sphery: | clever: dd_rescue sounds like a good plan... |
| [08:40:33] | clever: | ive used it to save anime off a damaged dvd |
| [08:40:45] | clever: | also once dads xp laptop died |
| [08:40:49] | clever: | ghost program was useless |
| [08:41:03] | clever: | dd_rescue on ubuntu livecd copyed the data |
| [08:41:06] | clever: | didnt fix any of the missing/damaged data |
| [08:41:10] | clever: | yet it booted:P |
| [08:41:33] | clever: | windows is insanely dumb if it refuses to boot from an io error on data it can boot with when its nulled out |
| [08:41:52] | clever: | i can work if this page in the cookbook is blank |
| [08:41:54] | sphery: | lol |
| [08:41:59] | clever: | but i cant work if the page is half missing |
| [08:42:02] | sphery: | I'll let it continue with the cp for now... |
| [08:42:11] | ** clever stabs xp ** | |
| [08:42:43] | sphery: | (8 hours in and 14GB copied--4 out of 13 files successfully copied, one of the successes was a soft link) |
| [08:42:55] | clever: | lol |
| [08:42:57] | sphery: | Once it finishes, I'll dd_rescue the failed copies |
| [08:43:05] | clever: | i have lvm under my myth recordings |
| [08:43:23] | sphery: | that way, I get a quick "at a glance" which ones are actually damaged and can save as much data as possible. |
| [08:43:24] | clever: | and i beleive its posible(with some work) to map a blockdevice clone of /dev/zero into the missing drives |
| [08:43:52] | clever: | so any missing drives will simply show up as null data(or io error) |
| [08:44:07] | sphery: | wow |
| [08:44:13] | clever: | which would let you do your type of recovery with half the filesystem missing(if the fs can handle it) |
| [08:44:25] | sphery: | I broke up my LVM for just this reason--knew I was due for some HDD failures |
| [08:44:51] | clever: | only damage ive had to lvm is a hardlock durring a pvmove |
| [08:45:04] | sphery: | sounds scary |
| [08:45:20] | clever: | actualy it wasnt a hardlock |
| [08:45:30] | clever: | its a race condition with the locking in lvm |
| [08:45:45] | clever: | if i access a volume while pvmoving parts of it the pvmove and access will hardlock |
| [08:45:53] | clever: | and any other access to that lv will hardlock |
| [08:46:08] | clever: | any ptracing to the affected procs will also hardlock |
| [08:46:19] | clever: | shutdown wont proceede because its waiting for those to close |
| [08:46:34] | clever: | best fix ive found is to single user and close as much as posible then improper shutdown |
| [08:47:16] | clever: | also 1 minor problem with lvm |
| [08:47:21] | clever: | when constantly resizing lv's |
| [08:47:35] | clever: | they get fragmented |
| [08:47:48] | sphery: | Yeah. That makes sense. |
| [08:47:50] | clever: | lvm itself lacks any way to view/fix that |
| [08:47:57] | clever: | but i made a php script to do that:P |
| [08:48:18] | clever: | by reading /etc/lvm/backup/VGNAME i can see the exact layout of where any PE is |
| [08:48:21] | clever: | and the pe size |
| [08:48:30] | clever: | so i can manualy access any byte if i wanted without lvm |
| [08:48:41] | sphery: | Myth--without Storage Groups or with "unoptimized" Storage Groups--causes a lot of file fragmentation |
| [08:48:56] | clever: | from those numbers i can generate a pvmove command that will drop the 2nd fragment after the 1st |
| [08:49:03] | sphery: | cool |
| [08:49:07] | clever: | lvm them displays them as a single fragment |
| [08:49:28] | clever: | i tryed storage groups |
| [08:49:31] | clever: | myth was an idiot:P |
| [08:49:37] | clever: | 1 drive has 5mb free |
| [08:49:40] | clever: | one has 3gig free |
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| [08:49:46] | clever: | guess where it started to record?:P |
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| [08:50:23] | sphery: | Should have chosen the one with the most space available |
| [08:50:31] | sphery: | Did you figure out why it chose the other? |
| [08:50:31] | clever: | it chose the full one |
| [08:50:52] | clever: | and locked up seconds later in a inf loop |
| [08:50:53] | clever: | causing massive spamage in the terminal |
| [08:50:54] | clever: | making the logs imposible to view:P |
| [08:51:02] | clever: | (long lost in scrollback) |
| [08:52:08] | sphery: | I find that my 4 main recording directories (all separate filesystems) all have almost exactly the same space free because of the algorithm it uses to choose a directory |
| [08:52:26] | clever: | i beleive that also goes based on io load |
| [08:52:30] | sphery: | BTW, both of those dirs were in the same storage group--the one the recording was set to use--right? |
| [08:52:37] | clever: | if a has 3 commflag jobs it will perfer to not use a |
| [08:52:38] | sphery: | Yeah. |
| [08:52:47] | clever: | even if b is nearly overflowing:P |
| [08:53:07] | sphery: | Recording to a disk is a large load (by SG reasoning), commflag is much smaller |
| [08:53:08] | clever: | and i only have 1 input so i cant record 2 at once |
| [08:53:17] | sphery: | would take many flagging jobs to preempt a recording |
| [08:53:56] | clever: | recording playing flaging are all identical load if you assume they all run at normal speed(1h takes 1h to flag...) |
| [08:54:16] | clever: | transcoding takes double the load under that assumption |
| [08:54:35] | clever: | but also writing by itself may be slower then reading(updating size and stuff in inode) |
| [08:56:09] | clever: | and then there may be rtjpeg! :O |
| [08:56:33] | clever: | (many gig/hour) |
| [08:56:33] | clever: | horid compression rates |
| [08:56:33] | clever: | but not as bad as raw video |
| [08:56:39] | clever: | i did a 60 second test with raw vid to fix a mythweb flash problem |
| [08:56:43] | clever: | 600mb/min! |
| [08:56:45] | sphery: | The code weights recording double flagging |
| [08:56:49] | clever: | 3600mb/gig |
| [08:56:54] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/256679#256679 |
| [08:57:10] | clever: | one of my problems with mythweb flash |
| [08:57:16] | clever: | is that ffmpeg segfaults on the nuv files |
| [08:57:22] | clever: | guess how i fixed it? |
| [08:58:06] | clever: | (hint, mplayer plays them just fine) |
| [08:58:14] | sphery: | mencoder |
| [08:58:23] | clever: | but mencoder cant output flv |
| [08:58:26] | clever: | as far as i know |
| [08:58:39] | sphery: | oh |
| [08:58:44] | sphery: | how then? |
| [08:58:46] | clever: | so i did both |
| [08:58:59] | clever: | i told mencoder to convert it to RAW video frames(600mb/min) |
| [08:59:09] | clever: | and dump the raw aud/vid stream into a fifo |
| [08:59:17] | clever: | then i told ffmpeg to convert that to flv |
| [08:59:30] | clever: | works perfectly |
| [08:59:36] | clever: | little slow on the startup |
| [08:59:44] | sphery: | heh |
| [08:59:49] | clever: | same old problem of not killing ffmpeg(and now mencoder) on stoping playback |
| [08:59:55] | clever: | and seeking is still broken |
| [09:00:07] | sphery: | I can't use the flash because my backends can't even play back my recordings in real time, let alone transcode them |
| [09:00:17] | clever: | and it uses a staticly named fifo in /tmp/ so it will have trouble if 2 people try to flash at once |
| [09:00:27] | clever: | my mythweb is hosted on a FE |
| [09:00:39] | clever: | so its got a seperate core from the master |
| [09:00:47] | clever: | letting the framegrabber breath more |
| [09:00:47] | sphery: | my frontend doesn't have local access to any recording files |
| [09:00:51] | sphery: | (no shares) |
| [09:01:10] | clever: | my frontend gets mythfrontend(binary and all the libs) over the same nfs as the recordings |
| [09:01:20] | clever: | all the frontends(except the master) share a single prefix |
| [09:01:32] | clever: | ./configure --prefix=/media/mainlv/root/7.10/ |
| [09:01:45] | clever: | and tweaks to PATH and /etc/ld.so.conf |
| [09:02:01] | clever: | and a few symlinks for broken progs that look in /usr/local/mythtv/ still |
| [09:02:15] | clever: | now 1 make/make install upgrades all the frontends:D |
| [09:02:25] | clever: | (except the master which is ubuntu 6.06) |
| [09:03:06] | sphery: | I do 2 makes (one on i686 and one on x86_64) and 4 make installs |
| [09:03:22] | clever: | i tried to makeinstall the same build on each box |
| [09:03:23] | sphery: | with a little tar'ing between |
| [09:03:34] | clever: | it needs the build tools to even try |
| [09:03:41] | sphery: | yeah |
| [09:03:42] | clever: | and half the point was to uninstall them on the thin boxes |
| [09:03:51] | sphery: | All my boxen are completely identical |
| [09:04:09] | clever: | each of my systems has its own rootfs and settings |
| [09:04:15] | clever: | sharing /media/mainlv and a few other mount points |
| [09:04:25] | clever: | there is also a web of nfs between all of them |
| [09:04:45] | clever: | /media/videos/`hostname`/ has the videos(non myth ones) stored on that box |
| [09:04:59] | clever: | and they are all nfs'ing to eachother so that the same path works on all boxes |
| [09:05:40] | sphery: | cool |
| [09:05:53] | sphery: | I finished reading about dd_rescue and dd_rhelp |
| [09:06:01] | clever: | most of my space is centered arround the master |
| [09:06:21] | clever: | which is lvm'ing 3 drives into the mainlv and a few 5gig ones for certain shows(burn off a dvd when full) |
| [09:06:34] | sphery: | think I'll call it a night and let my other computer keep working on copying the recordings (painfully slowly)... |
| [09:06:45] | clever: | problem is my master made 6 dvd coasters in a row last week |
| [09:06:58] | clever: | one of them im actualy using as a coaster:P |
| [09:07:00] | sphery: | that's not fun |
| [09:07:05] | sphery: | lol |
| [09:07:11] | clever: | yeah |
| [09:07:13] | sphery: | gotta get some sleep |
| [09:07:20] | sphery: | thanks for the help (x2) |
| [09:07:24] | clever: | rest got 1 way flight across the room |
| [09:07:39] | clever: | some got a 2nd trip back(bouncing off a wall) |
| [09:07:46] | sphery: | I've done that |
| [09:07:54] | clever: | one landed in the sink |
| [09:07:59] | sphery: | still haven't repainted the chipped paint where it hit the wall |
| [09:08:11] | clever: | lol |
| [09:08:18] | clever: | here they hit the cupboard |
| [09:08:24] | clever: | stained wood boards |
| [09:08:32] | sphery: | hope it's hardwood |
| [09:08:33] | clever: | doesnt realy chip |
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| [09:08:42] | sphery: | but could dent |
| [09:08:48] | clever: | yeah |
| [09:08:55] | clever: | but you wont notice it from a distance |
| [09:09:01] | sphery: | :) |
| [09:09:14] | sphery: | anyway, later. thanks again |
| [09:09:18] | clever: | yep:) |
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| [09:18:47] | ** Terrortoertchen is back from: auto-away after 10m idle (been away for 58m) ** | |
| [09:18:47] | Terrortoertchen: | anyone else here not able to build mythtv since changset 14960 ?? since the nigels change im stuck with 14960, because of undefined references to lot of upnp stuff |
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| [09:21:27] | Terrortoertchen: | the system is gentoo, gcc 4.2.1 and binutils 2.18-r3 |
| [09:22:46] | Terrortoertchen: | i know its a problem with the --as-needed flag and circular dependencies, but is there a fix for this ?? |
| [09:30:43] | clever: | did you try make distclean;./configure then rebuild? |
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| [09:33:18] | Terrortoertchen: | i did, it was a clean checkout |
| [09:33:37] | Terrortoertchen: | from trunk this morning to try it again... |
| [09:34:21] | clever: | im out of ideas for now:( |
| [09:35:03] | clever: | i just got 15142 installed on my master without problems |
| [09:35:13] | Terrortoertchen: | 4 month or so ago, a nearly same error was fixed with ticket #3989 |
| [09:35:53] | Terrortoertchen: | and closed as dup, because i was to dump to finde the other one |
| [09:35:56] | Terrortoertchen: | :) |
| [09:36:13] | clever: | normaly when its closed as a dup it says what # its a dup of |
| [09:36:48] | Terrortoertchen: | but i can track the error to exactly changeset 14964 by nigel... all versions bevor this one compile fine with the --as-needed patch |
| [09:37:35] | Terrortoertchen: | i know what number the dup is :) the to patches in both tickets are, nearly the same.. only refreshed to apply clean |
| [09:37:49] | Terrortoertchen: | the 2 patches |
| [09:38:10] | clever: | ive got a few custom changes to my end and it still works |
| [09:38:22] | clever: | dont think ive broken anything:) |
| [09:39:27] | Terrortoertchen: | which means for me :) |
| [09:39:56] | Terrortoertchen: | i'm stuck, till someone knows what the heck im doing wrong... or gentoo and the binutils |
| [09:40:11] | clever: | havent used gentoo |
| [09:40:23] | clever: | but i have managed to share 1 set of bin/lib's between 3 boxes |
| [09:40:50] | clever: | which saves me about 167mb on each frontend |
| [09:41:10] | Terrortoertchen: | nice |
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| [09:43:46] | clever: | i just did a --prefix pointing to a nfs share that they all had in common |
| [09:43:46] | clever: | (it defaults to /usr/local/) |
| [09:43:46] | justinh: | fecking miser |
| [09:43:46] | clever: | then i patched up PATH and /etc/ld.so.conf to know about it |
| [09:43:46] | clever: | and some symlinks for broken bits |
| [09:43:46] | justinh: | how much does hdd space cost? like $0.20 per GB now or something? |
| [09:43:47] | clever: | i installed some of my frontends dualboot |
| [09:43:47] | clever: | with limited space |
| [09:43:47] | Terrortoertchen: | thats what i was thinking right now |
| [09:43:47] | clever: | and none of my partition progs can move the ext3 partition |
| [09:43:47] | clever: | and they are right at the end of the disk |
| [09:43:47] | clever: | so its imposible to resize and take more space away from the win partition even if i want to delete it and use its space |
| [09:43:47] | justinh: | why not just have a bootloader on the linux partition & use nfsroot? |
| [09:44:14] | clever: | i could do that but this seemed simpler |
| [09:44:22] | clever: | the seperate installs are working fine on there own |
| [09:44:29] | clever: | any new boxes i do up i can make nfs root |
| [09:44:46] | Terrortoertchen: | freak ^^ |
| [09:44:51] | clever: | lol |
| [09:44:56] | justinh: | aye |
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| [09:45:25] | clever: | the media system cant be nfs root |
| [09:45:37] | clever: | i made it to take to a hotel in cleveland on a long trip |
| [09:45:48] | clever: | nfs over the web is painfull:P |
| [09:45:48] | clever: | nfsroot will be insane:P |
| [09:46:17] | justinh: | yeah but you're always doing unrealistic stuff |
| [09:46:18] | clever: | and i made it in a rush so i just stole 2gig off its win98 which i now dont use at all |
| [09:46:37] | justinh: | edge computing, but the wrong edge :P |
| [09:46:43] | clever: | dad's box i did a dualboot with 2gig |
| [09:46:56] | clever: | even though i took the bare min space he still complains about wanting that space back |
| [09:47:46] | clever: | and he doesnt even have a tvguide in his room(no cable box there) so he should be using myth for that atleast:P |
| [09:48:11] | clever: | trying to get him to like it so he will pay for better hardware to fix it up |
| [09:48:38] | clever: | he has hinter towards getting me a ir receiver |
| [09:48:49] | clever: | said not to buy myself stuff near xmas:P |
| [09:49:15] | justinh: | better not use serial – you probably still need your serial ports for file transfers & crap |
| [09:49:21] | clever: | lol |
| [09:49:33] | clever: | im using 1 serial for the ir blaster and the other for serial console:P |
| [09:49:45] | clever: | and the one i was going to buy online was usb and came with a remote |
| [09:49:49] | justinh: | the WHAT? :P |
| [09:50:07] | clever: | the ir receiver/remote |
| [09:50:29] | justinh: | no the other thing.. something console or other |
| [09:50:39] | clever: | ah |
| [09:50:41] | clever: | serial console |
| [09:50:49] | clever: | all printk stuff goes out the serial port |
| [09:50:59] | justinh: | roflmao |
| [09:51:10] | clever: | when X causes a kernel panic im able to actualy see the panic msg |
| [09:51:36] | clever: | helps to find out why its frozen solid |
| [09:52:15] | justinh: | when X causes a kernel panic.. it's really time to think about something else |
| [09:52:18] | clever: | i also threw a getty on there out of bordem:P |
| [09:52:27] | clever: | it only happenes once every 1–2 months |
| [09:52:30] | clever: | not shure why |
| [09:52:56] | clever: | last time was odd |
| [09:53:14] | clever: | k3b was running on theP4 |
| [09:53:18] | clever: | x11 forward to the media |
| [09:53:31] | clever: | theP4 hhad a kernel panic within Xoorg |
| [09:53:51] | clever: | cd burner wasnt even displaying on that Xorg so it probly wasnt something the ui did |
| [09:54:27] | clever: | im thinking an irq caused by the dvd burner happened to interupt the local Xorg and panic |
| [09:54:46] | clever: | after that i made 6 coasters in a row without any locking up |
| [09:55:03] | clever: | with k3b localy and directly using a cli burning prog |
| [09:55:10] | clever: | even at 1x speed |
| [09:57:10] | clever: | and yes the cpu load was <5% when i started and no nothing started recording:P |
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| [09:58:21] | NitohRyu: | hmm |
| [09:58:23] | NitohRyu: | that reminds me |
| [09:58:29] | NitohRyu: | i need to buy more dvds |
| [09:58:37] | clever: | i just gave up before i toasted all my blanks |
| [09:58:40] | Terrortoertchen: | :) |
| [09:58:58] | NitohRyu: | sphery: looks like that fixed the problem :) |
| [10:00:47] | justinh: | muh muh muh, mepo is great, muh muh muh muh muh. why do I fucking even bother? |
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| [10:02:16] | Terrortoertchen: | hehe, justin is a COW NOW !! :) |
| [10:02:29] | siXy: | ? |
| [10:03:28] | siXy: | heh he quit :) |
| [10:03:50] | Terrortoertchen: | and he muh's :) |
| [10:03:54] | Terrortoertchen: | ^^ |
| [10:06:03] | Dibblah: | Damnit. Why does noone make a nice PCIe -> 7 slot PCI card? |
| [10:06:12] | NitohRyu: | ... |
| [10:06:18] | Dibblah: | _cheaply_, I mean. |
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| [10:07:20] | ** justinh is full of xmas spirit today. oye ** | |
| [10:07:23] | siXy: | um becauase converting PCIe to PCI is not as easy as 3 bits of wire and some solder |
| [10:07:31] | Terrortoertchen: | hehe, the muh muh is back :) |
| [10:08:19] | Terrortoertchen: | anyone else sitting at work and has nothing to do |
| [10:08:20] | Dibblah: | siXy: I am aware of that. |
| [10:08:31] | Terrortoertchen: | soooo boring |
| [10:08:43] | Dibblah: | However, PCIe bridge chips are <$20 in 1s. |
| [10:08:58] | Dibblah: | That support 7 downstream slots. |
| [10:09:31] | ** Dibblah wishes he had better board layout skills :( ** | |
| [10:09:45] | Dibblah: | I really can't cope with more than 4 layers. |
| [10:10:23] | justinh: | have to be really careful with any differential high speed stuff like pci-e |
| [10:10:28] | justinh: | and sata |
| [10:10:30] | justinh: | and dvi |
| [10:10:32] | justinh: | and hdmi |
| [10:11:35] | siXy: | I can't even cope well with one. But thats partly because my soldering iron much resembles a spade |
| [10:11:37] | justinh: | or you could just do what our guys do here & route sata signals all over the place, crossing planes & clock signals |
| [10:12:50] | Dibblah: | PCI is easy. 33Mhz! Only thing you have to worry about is skew. |
| [10:13:10] | justinh: | you still need to worry about skew with the new stuff too, only more so |
| [10:13:35] | justinh: | come to think about it, usb2 is quite sensitive to track length aswell |
| [10:13:40] | Dibblah: | PCIe is only _slightly_ trickier, as long as you think about your grounding / capacitance. |
| [10:14:05] | justinh: | constant impedance layout is always gonna be more tricky than just 'slap a bus down there' |
| [10:14:42] | Dibblah: | It also annoys me that noone has done a nice PCIe DVB card :( |
| [10:14:42] | justinh: | but then I don't expect our layout techs to know what impedance is |
| [10:14:58] | justinh: | Dibblah: you mean one that'll work in linux! |
| [10:15:12] | Dibblah: | Sure they do. They've been working with composite for _ages_. |
| [10:15:20] | Dibblah: | This digital stuff is just the same, innit? |
| [10:15:22] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [10:15:27] | justinh: | lol |
| [10:15:52] | Dibblah: | I actually mean almost _any_ pcie dvb card. |
| [10:16:01] | Dibblah: | There's a sum total of one. |
| [10:16:50] | siXy: | Dibblah: there are quite a lot of PCIe DVB cards. but none of them work in linux |
| [10:16:56] | justinh: | and what did the linux dvb driver guys say again? oh yeah something like "never" |
| [10:16:57] | siXy: | some are really very nice |
| [10:17:23] | siXy: | really? ah they terminally hard to write drivers for then? |
| [10:17:24] | directhex|bsp: | here's a list! http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCIe_Cards |
| [10:17:40] | Dibblah: | No, it's something like "We'll do those drivers when we've finished our public bunfight". |
| [10:17:44] | justinh: | siXy: when the maker of the bridge chip won't tell you the specs, aye |
| [10:18:00] | siXy: | justinh: ah yeah i can see that causing issues |
| [10:18:17] | directhex|bsp: | Dibblah, that's dvb-s2, not pcie |
| [10:18:23] | justinh: | OPEN SOURCE the driver?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| [10:19:04] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, you forgetm, if they release the specs, then they'll go out of business after every family in the world buys eleven forged chinese chips which match the spec sheet |
| [10:19:24] | justinh: | really? |
| [10:19:44] | Dibblah: | directhex|bsp: Uhuh. Because the bad feeling in general of the DVB people doesn't slow anything apart from S2 down :( |
| [10:19:54] | directhex|bsp: | yes! chips are trivial to make from specs. it's those damned chinese forgeries! |
| [10:19:57] | justinh: | like no grey market chip maker has whipped the top off their chip & reverse engineered the windows driver already |
| [10:21:47] | justinh: | ooo no page visits yesterday. I can see a trend emerging |
| [10:22:41] | siXy: | because people only need to download themes once, really :P |
| [10:22:46] | justinh: | screw it. seems that if a theme doesn't have a stupid animated dancing feck it's not worth a light |
| [10:23:18] | siXy: | and by the way – nice work on glass-wide – its a really nice theme |
| [10:23:27] | justinh: | is it shite |
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| [10:23:37] | Dibblah: | Not tried glass-wide yet. |
| [10:23:50] | justinh: | Dibblah: don't bother :) |
| [10:24:19] | Dibblah: | I'm stuck on blootube-wide. |
| [10:24:50] | justinh: | I'm stuck hating everything I've ever done. some deal |
| [10:24:55] | clever: | Dibblah: how much work might it be to make a pci card with a fpga to aid in video decoding(and reprogram it on the fly for the codec)? |
| [10:25:06] | Dibblah: | Basically impossible. |
| [10:25:10] | justinh: | clever: it might be a hell of a lot of work |
| [10:25:12] | clever: | why? |
| [10:25:22] | Dibblah: | Because it's a couple of man-years work. |
| [10:25:25] | clever: | lol |
| [10:25:35] | justinh: | if you want to market it you need licences from the codec people too |
| [10:25:36] | Dibblah: | And it's a patent minefield. |
| [10:25:46] | justinh: | kerching |
| [10:25:48] | clever: | what if you just threw a proper mpeg2 decoderchip on it and added support curcuits |
| [10:25:59] | Dibblah: | Besides, FPGA is the wrong way to do it. |
| [10:26:00] | justinh: | why? what's the point in that? |
| [10:26:01] | clever: | the actual codec would be in software |
| [10:26:08] | justinh: | mpeg2 is dead |
| [10:26:18] | Dibblah: | _should_ be dead :( |
| [10:26:22] | pat_: | actually, despite juski's self loathing glass looks alright |
| [10:26:29] | justinh: | hardware h.264 will be where it's at soon |
| [10:26:29] | clever: | by using a fpga you can add a h264 core later on with a simple software upgrade |
| [10:26:39] | Dibblah: | clever: Bwa. Ha. Ha. |
| [10:26:41] | clever: | and then the next one after that |
| [10:26:59] | clever: | aslong as the fpga is big enough |
| [10:27:01] | justinh: | clever: apart from the fact that hardware comes with inbuild limitations |
| [10:27:08] | Dibblah: | You do realise what studios do to get mpeg4 encoding on FPGAs? |
| [10:27:19] | clever: | no not yet:P |
| [10:27:22] | justinh: | parallel em up :) |
| [10:27:23] | Dibblah: | _5 racks_ of FPGA cards. |
| [10:27:27] | clever: | ah |
| [10:27:36] | clever: | ive seen those racks before for md5 brute forcing |
| [10:27:44] | clever: | some1 repurposed a rack |
| [10:27:45] | justinh: | FPGAs are great for proving a design, then you go special |
| [10:27:48] | Dibblah: | Which draw more than a small bakery. |
| [10:27:55] | clever: | lol |
| [10:28:11] | justinh: | they're also not really for quick things |
| [10:28:23] | clever: | the problem with a dedicated h264 chip is that you cant get mpeg2/4 out of it |
| [10:28:34] | Dibblah: | ... |
| [10:28:43] | justinh: | the problem with you is that you live with your head in the clouds :P |
| [10:28:44] | clever: | enless you add dedicated chips for each codec to a board |
| [10:28:45] | Dibblah: | That'll be why they call it dedicated, then. |
| [10:28:56] | justinh: | just chuck more cpu at it ya wuss |
| [10:29:00] | clever: | lol |
| [10:29:08] | Dibblah: | Why bother? Pick the best and use it. Job done. |
| [10:29:30] | clever: | my current problem is the damn frame grabber |
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| [10:29:42] | Dibblah: | However, if you want your entire downloaded HD porn collection to work, you'll need to do it in software. |
| [10:29:46] | clever: | if i fixed that half my problems would probly go away |
| [10:30:01] | justinh: | and you're not saying that in all the time you've been using it you haven't had enough time to wash some cars to make enough to buy a pvr150 |
| [10:30:13] | Dibblah: | Ugh. |
| [10:30:18] | clever: | how much is one again?:P |
| [10:30:24] | justinh: | $notmuch |
| [10:30:34] | clever: | would that be less then $inmybank?:P |
| [10:30:41] | Dibblah: | Even the current maintainer of ivtv thinks the pvrx50 hardware is a buggy POS. |
| [10:30:44] | justinh: | unless you live in Outer Mongolia |
| [10:30:54] | clever: | canada:P |
| [10:31:41] | justinh: | Dibblah: most tuner cards are |
| [10:31:43] | clever: | the bttv is very stable but eats cpu like a hob |
| [10:31:50] | justinh: | if a windows user has to reboot, so what? ;) |
| [10:31:54] | clever: | not actualy using the tuner within it |
| [10:32:21] | justinh: | I had so many recordings with cyberman audio from the pvr150 it just wasn't funny |
| [10:32:29] | ** Dibblah wants the equivalent of the HDHR over here. ** | |
| [10:32:47] | Dibblah: | Oh, wait... Maybe I _can_... |
| [10:33:01] | Dibblah: | Oh, no. No, that wouldn't work. |
| [10:33:12] | justinh: | apparently it was because I didn't run a new enough ivtv where they fixed the bug again. (oh wait or was it cos they fixed it again, then again, then again, then again?) |
| [10:33:16] | clever: | how many channels could you find unencrypted on your avg sat when using dvb-s? |
| [10:33:22] | justinh: | clever: about 250 |
| [10:33:33] | clever: | ah |
| [10:33:38] | Dibblah: | There is no "average" constellation. |
| [10:33:40] | justinh: | in europe. then take away the shopping & god channels, that leaves about 20 |
| [10:33:47] | clever: | and would those be legal unencrypted ones to pickup without paying? |
| [10:33:55] | Dibblah: | Hotbird probably has the most. |
| [10:33:56] | justinh: | FTA |
| [10:34:11] | Dibblah: | Then Astra 19.2 |
| [10:34:22] | clever: | ive got a dish on the roof going to waste and if i had a dvb-s i could aim it at a good sat and get some digital channels |
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| [10:34:38] | Dibblah: | ... which you'll never want to watch. |
| [10:34:42] | clever: | lol |
| [10:34:47] | justinh: | if you had dvb-s?! you can't even afford a pvr150 man |
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| [10:34:56] | clever: | lol |
| [10:35:00] | Dibblah: | Again, there are no free channels that are worth watching. |
| [10:35:04] | Dibblah: | Apart from the BBC. |
| [10:35:14] | clever: | depends on what sat i find |
| [10:35:19] | siXy: | isn't c4 going on freesat soonish? |
| [10:35:19] | Dibblah: | And that's ours – Nya, ni nya ni nya nya! |
| [10:35:25] | clever: | but the sky is pretty big to just hunt blindly for them |
| [10:35:27] | Dibblah: | Yes, like I said. |
| [10:35:36] | Dibblah: | BBC is the only one worth watching ;) |
| [10:35:41] | siXy: | :) |
| [10:35:52] | clever: | might i find the space channel unencrypted on some sat's? |
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| [10:36:00] | siXy: | is film4 on freesat? that sometimes has worhtwhile things on it |
| [10:36:07] | clever: | cant even get that thru the digital cable if i wanted to/payed them |
| [10:36:21] | justinh: | siXy: yeah but it's not FTA IIRC |
| [10:36:25] | Dibblah: | clever: You mean the NASA channel? |
| [10:36:37] | clever: | the space channel with all the sci-fi shows:P |
| [10:36:56] | justinh: | don't forget there's 'Freesat from Sly' and the REAL 'Freesat'. Freesat from Sly means no worky with mythtv |
| [10:37:13] | Dibblah: | ... technically not. |
| [10:37:17] | justinh: | they really helped by putting freesat in their name |
| [10:37:36] | Dibblah: | But _some_ of the FS from Sky channels are FTA. |
| [10:37:43] | Dibblah: | In fact, it's the same service. |
| [10:37:50] | justinh: | it's the same bird |
| [10:38:06] | clever: | canteven find that site i was on last week that seemed to list every sat in the sky |
| [10:38:08] | justinh: | but freesat (as in just Freesat) is only what we'd call FTA channels |
| [10:38:09] | Dibblah: | The only thing that's changing is a bunch of channels are going FTA. |
| [10:38:19] | at0m|c: | anyone here from Belgium? i cant find xmltv ID for TV1 so i'm not getting tv listings... |
| [10:38:27] | justinh: | Free to view is not 'free' |
| [10:38:53] | Dibblah: | No, I said (and for a change) meant FTA. |
| [10:38:53] | siXy: | oh – i thought there was a cam card you could buy to get the other channels |
| [10:38:53] | clever: | ahh there it is lyngsat |
| [10:39:02] | Dibblah: | siXy: Not legally, no. |
| [10:39:13] | Dibblah: | There is no NDS CAM. |
| [10:39:23] | justinh: | siXy: they don't pay $ly a fee, so it's unlicenced |
| [10:39:35] | justinh: | and it's not a proper solution anyway |
| [10:39:43] | Dibblah: | It's also based on a hack to the camcrypt. |
| [10:39:47] | Dibblah: | So it _could_ die. |
| [10:40:05] | Dibblah: | However, since it's been around for about 3 years now, I think it's a deeper issue. |
| [10:40:49] | Dibblah: | "hack" as in someone disassembled the ROM of the sat box and figured out one of the camcrypt keys. |
| [10:40:53] | justinh: | maybe to prosecute them, Sly would have to prove how the grey thing is bad, and in doing that would reveal key info about the encripplement |
| [10:41:22] | justinh: | and at the end of the day it's not costing them any subscribers |
| [10:41:51] | justinh: | if anything it means less subsidised boxes to shift |
| [10:42:10] | Dibblah: | This "fix my broken provider" thread is getting on my tits. |
| [10:45:27] | Dibblah: | If they'd just released an official CAM, I wouldn't know anything about the "alternatives" :( |
| [10:45:29] | justinh: | gotta love 'standards' these days eh |
| [10:46:40] | Dibblah: | justinh: Is there a reason why your site doesn't appear to be in Google's index? |
| [10:47:50] | justinh: | none I can think of |
| [10:47:55] | clever: | i tried to find it before to check for a theme update but it was imposible to google it up |
| [10:48:16] | Dibblah: | justinh: Look at google webmaster tools... |
| [10:48:33] | ** justinh doesn't care ** | |
| [10:49:14] | Dibblah: | ... But does care about # of hits? |
| [10:49:22] | Dibblah: | That doesn't work ;) |
| [10:49:34] | justinh: | it's being found somehow |
| [10:49:46] | clever: | check your referer headers |
| [10:50:10] | justinh: | hmmm. used to be #1 result for 'blootube' |
| [10:50:12] | justinh: | no longer |
| [10:50:29] | justinh: | not even on the 1st page |
| [10:50:34] | justinh: | ach well. shit happens |
| [10:50:52] | clever: | other sites mirroring you probly |
| [10:51:13] | justinh: | nothing left to do but ban that |
| [10:51:43] | clever: | atleast force them to link back to the source |
| [10:51:53] | clever: | or stick your site urell in the readme of the theme |
| [10:52:06] | justinh: | oh look there I am. on the 3rd page of results |
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| [10:53:05] | justinh: | sod webmaster tools. deletion is easier |
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| [10:53:38] | Dibblah: | Oh fun. |
| [10:53:41] | Dibblah: | Not again. |
| [10:56:22] | siXy: | i've taken to keeping local copies of all those themes, on the chance that i need them again on one of the days that they have been deleted |
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| [11:05:52] | justinh: | all fixed now :) |
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| [11:08:03] | justinh: | have to beg the question really – how the hell do ducking rpms get higher in googles search results anyway? like why are they even indexed? |
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| [11:10:24] | Dibblah: | ... Maybe because they're there more often? ;) |
| [11:11:07] | justinh: | I'd much rather there werent any packages of this stuff |
| [11:11:16] | justinh: | ANY, anywhere |
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| [11:12:01] | siXy: | justinh: hmm but there are many users who cannot understand tar |
| [11:12:30] | Dibblah: | justinh: Something to add into the theme chooser, then :) |
| [11:12:42] | justinh: | what theme chooser? |
| [11:12:58] | Dibblah: | The not-yet-existing one. |
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| [11:14:10] | Dibblah: | I'm sure gbee was looking at doing one some time ago. |
| [11:15:01] | siXy: | speaking of which, is it possible to create a menu option that runs external commands? |
| [11:15:09] | Dibblah: | siXy: Yes. |
| [11:15:14] | Dibblah: | Look at the documentation. |
| [11:15:21] | Dibblah: | Glance, even. |
| [11:15:24] | justinh: | I hope the theme chooser never happens tbh |
| [11:15:31] | Dibblah: | ...? |
| [11:15:34] | siXy: | hmm i must have missed it. will re-read |
| [11:17:23] | siXy: | ah got it |
| [11:17:51] | justinh: | siXy: it's how the apple trailer 'plugin' works :P |
| [11:18:02] | siXy: | going to try to make a menu for changing the background in glass-wide |
| [11:18:38] | siXy: | im sure justinh will throw rocks at me fro trying, but still :) |
| [11:20:39] | justinh: | damn right |
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| [11:29:49] | justinh: | like the background is something you'll be needing to change regularly :-\ |
| [11:32:02] | siXy: | i get bored of backgrounds reasonably quickly |
| [11:32:15] | siXy: | nice to have a change |
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| [11:36:09] | justinh: | FFS. every single search term I put into google brings bloody rpms & debs higher in the list than the source site |
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| [12:02:30] | at0m|c: | anyone here from Belgium? i cant find xmltv ID for TV1 so i'm not getting tv listings... |
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| [12:25:15] | levander: | My picture looks pretty good, but the news tickers on the bottom of CNBC have weird horizontal lines. It's like the interlaced/deinterlaced setting is wrong. I'm outputting 720p from the video card, and in MythTV setup I've got deinterlacing turned off. Rest of the picture looks good. |
| [12:26:48] | directhex|bsp: | VBI |
| [12:26:53] | levander: | VBI? |
| [12:27:13] | directhex|bsp: | well, CC is more likely in yankland |
| [12:27:38] | levander: | No idea what yankland is. Or VBI. |
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| [12:35:30] | levander: | Well, I turned on deinterlacing, and chose "bob deinterlacing" as the algorithm, and the news tickers look lots better. I wouldn't think you'd need to deinterlace if your using progressive output... |
| [12:36:37] | levander: | Oh, looks like I got it backwards. You don't have to deinterlace if your using interlaced output... |
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| [13:00:23] | sebrock: | is the frontend configuration also saved in a SQL db? |
| [13:01:42] | levander: | sebrock: that's for me? |
| [13:01:52] | levander: | sebrock: oh, you're asking in general |
| [13:01:55] | sebrock: | yeah :D |
| [13:01:59] | levander: | no idea, i would assume yes |
| [13:02:23] | levander: | i've seen stuff in the configuration where you have to make your db available to the network if you have remote front-ends |
| [13:02:51] | sebrock: | so having backend and frontend on different machines, you'll have to backup two different dbs? |
| [13:03:25] | siXy: | sebrock: all frontend settings are stored in the backend DB |
| [13:03:35] | levander: | sebrock: no, there's on db for both |
| [13:03:40] | levander: | there's one** |
| [13:03:54] | siXy: | if you have more than one frontend, using the custom identifier is hepful |
| [13:04:34] | sebrock: | oh, so there is actually only one db, so thats all I need to backup in order to restore? |
| [13:04:48] | siXy: | sebrock: yes |
| [13:04:49] | sebrock: | I thought all frontends had individual settings |
| [13:04:50] | directhex|bsp: | myth has a single database, shared by the BE and all frontends. settings are stored per-hostname, so ensure hostnames are different on all machines |
| [13:05:07] | sebrock: | yeah I noticed that |
| [13:05:21] | sebrock: | is it possible to remove a host from the backend db? |
| [13:05:38] | justinh: | delete * from settings; |
| [13:05:39] | sebrock: | ie a specific frontend |
| [13:05:42] | directhex|bsp: | sure, with well-placed SQL |
| [13:05:44] | justinh: | oops |
| [13:05:55] | justinh: | delete * from settings where hostname="hostname"; |
| [13:05:56] | directhex|bsp: | add a WHERE clause to what justinh said |
| [13:06:17] | justinh: | use with caution |
| [13:06:40] | sebrock: | is that the actual SQL-command? |
| [13:06:45] | directhex|bsp: | yes |
| [13:07:08] | sebrock: | alright |
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| [13:08:13] | quicksilver: | without the * actually |
| [13:08:25] | quicksilver: | just 'delete from ...' |
| [13:08:32] | sebrock: | which command does this? |
| [13:08:41] | sebrock: | mysql |
| [13:09:19] | justinh: | if you have to ask you really shouldn't be doing it |
| [13:09:31] | sebrock: | well was I right or not? |
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| [13:09:54] | sebrock: | I guess this is from within the mysql shell |
| [13:09:55] | directhex|bsp: | assuming you manage a mysql login into the right db first, yes |
| [13:10:10] | sebrock: | sure that I'll do |
| [13:10:17] | sebrock: | loggin in with mythtv user |
| [13:10:29] | justinh: | or you can do mysql -u $user -p$password $database -e "$command;" |
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| [13:28:28] | justinh: | oh dear. just been asked if I want to go to the dept. xmas do on saturday & I said "nah I'm already going out that night with people I like". ooops |
| [13:28:42] | jduggan: | lol |
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| [13:34:15] | justinh: | tis the season for not sugar-coating the pill |
| [13:40:00] | Dibblah: | Thought twas the season to be a wally? |
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| [13:41:19] | directhex|bsp: | t'is the season for cake. anything else is moot |
| [13:44:45] | justinh: | yeah but going out with work colleagues here is as much fun as watching gentoo build on an epia |
| [13:45:07] | directhex|bsp: | ooh, gentoo! sexy! |
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| [13:47:24] | justinh: | anyway just had my pay review =D |
| [13:47:28] | DustyBin: | justinh: is your epia for a frontend ? |
| [13:47:47] | justinh: | my epia is for the ebay bin. |
| [13:48:09] | justinh: | I wouldn't wish an epia frontend on _anybody_ |
| [13:48:32] | directhex|bsp: | except an ebay buyer |
| [13:48:49] | justinh: | yeah true |
| [13:49:10] | justinh: | if I get 30 quid for it, it'll have been worth selling it |
| [13:50:07] | Dibblah: | Given the average prices, that may be aiming low :) |
| [13:50:24] | Dibblah: | People love 'em. |
| [13:50:32] | justinh: | good luck to em |
| [13:50:32] | DustyBin: | aye ok |
| [13:50:58] | justinh: | the rule is – if it won't play mpeg2 SDTV without hardware assistance, don't bother |
| [13:53:49] | DustyBin: | everytime i boot my machine i have to set the permissions for /dev/ttyS0 manually, is there a way to control the permissions of a /dev to survive a reboot? |
| [13:54:04] | justinh: | jesus |
| [13:54:11] | justinh: | don't use udev? |
| [13:54:18] | DustyBin: | whats that? |
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| [13:54:28] | justinh: | how come you need to change the perms? |
| [13:54:51] | DustyBin: | heyu uses /dev/ttyS0 to send signals down serial port |
| [13:55:20] | DustyBin: | my web front end for heyu doesnt work unless i change the permissions for /dev/ttyS0 manually |
| [13:55:39] | justinh: | edit the udev rule to make it owned by a group the heyu user is a member of, maybe? |
| [13:55:50] | DustyBin: | right ok, ill locate udev |
| [13:55:58] | Dibblah: | Or, just run the web frontend as root. |
| [13:56:05] | Dibblah: | That always works out well. |
| [13:56:06] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [13:56:13] | DustyBin: | not a good idea |
| [13:56:24] | Dibblah: | Oh, don't forget to send out the URL. |
| [13:56:30] | justinh: | wtf is heyu? .. googles... |
| [13:56:48] | justinh: | blech. X10 |
| [13:56:57] | DustyBin: | 23.245.12.22 username: root password GjG8gsgsjg3 port 22 |
| [13:57:02] | Dibblah: | Nothing wrong with X10. |
| [13:57:08] | DustyBin: | X10 ftw |
| [13:57:17] | Dibblah: | It's good to be able to turn on and off next door's lights at will. |
| [13:57:28] | DustyBin: | justinh: your too fussy |
| [13:57:36] | justinh: | spose x10 is alright til you have a good few devices |
| [13:58:04] | DustyBin: | justinh: if your away for the weekend, its nice to be able to turn lights on and off randomly |
| [13:58:12] | DustyBin: | and let them turn off during the day |
| [13:58:18] | DustyBin: | and come on in the evening |
| [13:58:31] | justinh: | if my what is away for the weekend? |
| [13:58:54] | siXy: | the carbon footprint cultists will be after you with sharp, point (but low-carbon) weapons.. |
| [13:59:04] | Dibblah: | justinh is channeling his English teacher again. |
| [13:59:58] | justinh: | a £5 box turns a lamp on & off randomly when I'm away. no X1 needed |
| [14:00:01] | justinh: | X10 |
| [14:00:21] | DustyBin: | /etc/udev/udev.conf <-- this is handy |
| [14:00:24] | DustyBin: | ? |
| [14:00:35] | Dibblah: | DustyBin: Look it up. |
| [14:00:43] | Dibblah: | It's somewhat un-myth-related ;) |
| [14:00:52] | DustyBin: | Dibblah: that involves work :P |
| [14:01:03] | siXy: | DustyBin: theres a good redhat howto on udev, somewhere |
| [14:01:11] | Dibblah: | Yes, but it's _your_ work. |
| [14:01:23] | DustyBin: | aye ok |
| [14:01:30] | Dibblah: | It's my favorite type of problem. |
| [14:01:37] | Dibblah: | "Someone else's". |
| [14:04:19] | DustyBin: | crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 65 2007-12–12 09:51 ttyS0 |
| [14:04:31] | DustyBin: | maybe i could do something with groups |
| [14:05:11] | Dibblah: | DustyBin: Yes, you could. |
| [14:05:25] | Dibblah: | ... The answer is in fact _right in front of you_. |
| [14:06:50] | DustyBin: | dialout:x:20:dusty,mythtv |
| [14:07:13] | DustyBin: | dialout:x:20:dusty,mythtv,www-data |
| [14:07:14] | DustyBin: | !! |
| [14:07:49] | DustyBin: | very clever mr bond, but not quite clever enough |
| [14:08:25] | ** DustyBin rubs hands together ** | |
| [14:13:40] | justinh: | hey I think I know why *****tu didn't like my nfs mount last night. I didn't add it through the GUI effort & just assumed it'd obey standard linuxy configs. meh |
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| [14:15:28] | DustyBin: | the x10 lamp controller is silent, and it also acts as a dimmer, the x10 appliance controller makes a loud click when you turn it on or off, think maybe its because more current is going through it so it needs something whats capable of taking the load |
| [14:16:03] | justinh: | I think it's more likely that the dimmer module is solid state and the appliance module uses a relay |
| [14:16:12] | DustyBin: | yes |
| [14:16:30] | justinh: | as in an electromagnet which moves contacts. high tech 1800s technology |
| [14:16:39] | DustyBin: | hehe |
| [14:16:51] | DustyBin: | x10 in itself is very primitive, but it does the job |
| [14:16:59] | justinh: | slowly |
| [14:24:25] | KaZeR: | later |
| [14:30:20] | directhex|work: | it's a while since i've been here... |
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| [14:39:45] | yllw98stng: | I just finished up installing Knoppmyth, when I click "Watch TV" my screen goes black for about 15–20 seconds and then it takes me back to the Myth screen...anyone know the cause of this? I have a PVR-150 tuner card |
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| [15:00:28] | billybong1: | what are the options for getting satellite TV on myth in the UK? |
| [15:00:36] | billybong1: | are there any working dvb-s cards that work? |
| [15:00:39] | Yahooadam: | a DVB-S card? |
| [15:00:48] | billybong1: | what can I get with one? |
| [15:00:53] | Yahooadam: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| [15:01:16] | Yahooadam: | all the dvb-s channels im guessing |
| [15:01:28] | directhex|work: | billybong1, depends which birds you point a dish at |
| [15:01:35] | Daviey: | billybong1: yes DVB-s cards work fine – but not with SkyTV – maybe freesat due March will work |
| [15:01:37] | directhex|work: | encryption is the main issue |
| [15:01:46] | jduggan: | due march? |
| [15:01:50] | jduggan: | freesat works fine now |
| [15:01:52] | jduggan: | for some channels |
| [15:01:59] | directhex|work: | indeed |
| [15:02:02] | directhex|work: | let me get my list |
| [15:02:09] | Daviey: | jduggan: are you using it? |
| [15:02:20] | billybong1: | can you recommend a dvb-s card to try? |
| [15:02:22] | jduggan: | Daviey: not yet, i'm waiting for channel4/5 to become FTA |
| [15:02:31] | directhex|work: | http://forums.hexus.net/1232310-post8.html <-- that's the list of channels CURRENTLY available for free on the astra2/eutelsat1 angle |
| [15:02:43] | directhex|work: | i.e. 28.2E |
| [15:02:45] | Yahooadam: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Record_m . . . ne_multiplex |
| [15:02:51] | Yahooadam: | there is a list of channels there |
| [15:02:55] | directhex|work: | a sky dish will pick up all the channels shown above |
| [15:03:02] | jduggan: | but i hear channel4 HD and BBC HD are already available, so its worth it if you already have the dish/lnb etc |
| [15:03:55] | directhex|work: | you can get more channels if you buy a bigger dish with a second LNB, and point the second LNB to somewhere else like hotbird 6/7/8 (13E) |
| [15:04:36] | jduggan: | british channels? |
| [15:04:45] | jduggan: | lets be honest, most of those channels nobody wants |
| [15:04:52] | directhex|work: | english language, for the most part |
| [15:04:59] | directhex|work: | and yes, you're right, it's a load of shite for the most part |
| [15:05:05] | Daviey: | no pron? |
| [15:05:12] | directhex|work: | Daviey, yes, on hotbird |
| [15:05:17] | Daviey: | \o/ |
| [15:05:20] | Yahooadam: | thats all Satalite is good for :p |
| [15:05:31] | directhex|work: | Daviey, i thik there are 3 or 4 main porn subscription networks on there, at varying costs |
| [15:05:35] | Yahooadam: | besides, if you called your network "HotBird" you would expect it :p |
| [15:05:41] | directhex|work: | Daviey, all myth-friendly, with CAMs available |
| [15:05:54] | Daviey: | MrsDaviey will be pleased |
| [15:06:04] | Yahooadam: | yes ..... mrs .... |
| [15:06:06] | siXy: | film24 is ok |
| [15:06:28] | directhex|work: | Daviey, well, given how shite porn on british satelites is... |
| [15:07:11] | Daviey: | xmas tv is saved |
| [15:07:11] | directhex|work: | i like the look of the Zone channels on EB1 |
| [15:07:50] | directhex|work: | i'm definitely buying into DVB-S when we move house next year |
| [15:09:11] | Daviey: | me aswell, but a new backend is in order first |
| [15:09:31] | directhex|work: | i'll swap some cards around |
| [15:09:39] | Daviey: | hmm, hows the record all avaliable streams on a given multiplex concurrently stuff going? |
| [15:09:54] | directhex|work: | Daviey, multirec? quite good AFAIK |
| [15:10:04] | Daviey: | tried it? |
| [15:10:08] | directhex|work: | nah |
| [15:10:17] | Daviey: | thats the killer thing i'm waiting for |
| [15:10:26] | Daviey: | apparently humax's already do it?! |
| [15:10:26] | directhex|work: | hm, i have 2 PCI slots in my BE. i'm thinking i want both DVB-T and DVB-S availability |
| [15:10:50] | yllw98stng: | Anyone know why my mythtv installation with a PVR-150 would display a black screen for 15–20 seconds after selecting "watch tv" and then it goes back to the myth menu |
| [15:11:02] | directhex|work: | now, i can either go for a dual-DVB-T card in one slot and a single DVB-S with CI in the other... or a pair of DVB-S and some USB solution for DVB-T |
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| [15:11:15] | directhex|work: | yllw98stng, failure to change channel, typically |
| [15:11:21] | Daviey: | i want 2TB (+RAID-1), 8 PCI slots and myth running in a xen session |
| [15:11:41] | directhex|work: | Dave123, 8 PCI slots? |
| [15:11:43] | yllw98stng: | directhex: is there a way to solve this? |
| [15:11:46] | Yahooadam: | yllw98stng – checking the logs usually yeilds somthing |
| [15:11:47] | directhex|work: | Daviey, ^^ |
| [15:12:13] | Daviey: | directhex|work: well 4 min :D |
| [15:12:15] | Yahooadam: | 8 PCI slots would suck |
| [15:12:19] | directhex|work: | Daviey, not happening |
| [15:12:21] | Yahooadam: | 200MB/s /8 = teh suck |
| [15:12:46] | directhex|work: | Daviey, nobody makes modern boards with 4 32-bit PCI slots, let alone 8 |
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| [15:12:56] | directhex|work: | oh, feck's sake, what's up with my other pc? |
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| [15:13:13] | Daviey: | The Connection reset by peer |
| [15:13:56] | directhex|work: | nobody ever did >6 slots anyway, even in the "slots everywhere! 8D" days |
| [15:14:44] | Daviey: | I think i have a 6 slot mobo somewhere |
| [15:14:57] | jduggan: | most only do 2 |
| [15:14:59] | Yahooadam: | i dont know if you can put any more on |
| [15:15:00] | Daviey: | 6 + 2 ISA iirc |
| [15:15:04] | Yahooadam: | due to PCI resoreces |
| [15:15:12] | Yahooadam: | bleh, typing fart |
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| [15:16:55] | directhex|work: | 2 is the norm, 3 in some cases, 5 on boards which combine modern cpus with antique other stuff |
| [15:17:04] | directhex|work: | e.g. nforce3 boards that take am2 cpus |
| [15:17:33] | directhex|work: | my BE has 2 PCI, 2 PCIe16, 2 PCI-X |
| [15:17:42] | directhex|work: | so only 2 PCI tuners can go in |
| [15:17:49] | Yahooadam: | i dont know how many the PCI bus could handle |
| [15:18:03] | billybong1: | so can anyone recomend a dvb-s usb card? |
| [15:18:06] | Yahooadam: | but as the whole PC bus goes at a blistering 200MB/s – 8 PCI slots would be some crap speed |
| [15:18:29] | directhex|work: | billybong1, nobody recommends usb, given the option |
| [15:18:38] | directhex|work: | billybong1, generally, check the linuxtv dvb wiki |
| [15:19:31] | Yahooadam: | my BE has 3 PCI slots, dunno bout PCI-E |
| [15:19:49] | Yahooadam: | Gigabit networking, and a 4 port SATA card on a PCI bus = ughhhhh |
| [15:19:56] | Yahooadam: | not including the TV tuner |
| [15:20:04] | Yahooadam: | (s) |
| [15:20:08] | directhex|work: | i have a pcie gigabit card |
| [15:20:11] | directhex|work: | the onboard is junk |
| [15:20:26] | directhex|work: | and the pci-x has its own bus, the megaraid lives on that |
| [15:20:29] | Yahooadam: | mine didnt have onboard gigabit, i fucked up :p |
| [15:20:39] | Yahooadam: | u mean PCI-E? |
| [15:20:46] | directhex|work: | no |
| [15:20:57] | Yahooadam: | yours has PCI, PCI-E and PCI-x ? |
| [15:20:59] | directhex|work: | yes |
| [15:21:44] | directhex|work: | now, i'm off |
| [15:21:49] | Daviey: | billybong1: Nova DVB-T is v. good IMO – i can't see how the DVB-s would be any worse |
| [15:21:58] | Daviey: | yah \o/ |
| [15:22:28] | Yahooadam: | DVT-T should be == DVB-S |
| [15:22:35] | Yahooadam: | but DVB-S migh have more channels |
| [15:27:37] | jduggan: | if you're a brit, i think dvb-s is the better option, or atleast will be |
| [15:28:13] | Yahooadam: | i dont see why |
| [15:28:18] | Yahooadam: | they both use the same encoding |
| [15:28:23] | sebrock: | got another question about the backend configurations... Where are all jpgs stored from IMDB? |
| [15:28:31] | jduggan: | er, i hear freesat is much better quality |
| [15:28:33] | jduggan: | also |
| [15:28:44] | jduggan: | no stupid problems like freeview seems to have |
| [15:29:03] | Yahooadam: | works fantastic for me ;) |
| [15:29:11] | Yahooadam: | better then Sky ... well somtimes |
| [15:29:23] | Yahooadam: | depends if the digibox actually changes channel |
| [15:29:44] | jduggan: | lol |
| [15:35:55] | sebrock: | where are JPEGs stored from IMDB? |
| [15:39:32] | GreyFoxx: | sebrock: Your mythvideo setup has a value for where videocovers are stored. you'd have to check there |
| [15:40:11] | GreyFoxx: | I keep mine in /data/video/covers and /data/video is mounted on all frontends. That way covers are available to all frontends not just in a home directory |
| [15:40:26] | GreyFoxx: | well actually /data/video/.covers :) |
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| [15:44:17] | i3ooi3oo: | is there a way to edit the display of the videos so that it shows directories, since i have many show that i have bought the dvd's of and ripped |
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| [15:51:12] | sebrock: | aha tnx GreyFoxx |
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| [15:56:13] | mo0dbo0m: | hey all – i'm building from svn and getting LLONG_MAX undeclared errors, any ideas? |
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| [16:07:19] | siXy: | mo0dbo0m: what gcc version? |
| [16:07:38] | fryfrog: | you are "make distclean" before, right? |
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| [16:11:31] | mo0dbo0m: | i did a "make clean", will try the distclean – i had to play with [(qt3path)qmake -project] to get gentoo to use qt3, not sure if that screwed me up |
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| [16:12:00] | fryfrog: | last time i checked, the gentoo ebuilds *should* use qt3 by default |
| [16:12:07] | fryfrog: | have you tried one of the ebuilds that checks out svn? |
| [16:12:41] | mo0dbo0m: | yeah, but i'm trying to use the source directly, so i can attempt some development |
| [16:13:06] | wwalker: | if you wanted two tuners, nothing else (record only box) what would you buy (USA)? |
| [16:13:09] | mo0dbo0m: | the gentoo ebuild is working |
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| [16:14:49] | mo0dbo0m: | siXy gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 (Gentoo 4.1.2) |
| [16:14:53] | fryfrog: | wwalker: HD or SD? |
| [16:14:57] | fryfrog: | OTA or Cable? |
| [16:15:48] | fryfrog: | (or sat even, maybe) |
| [16:16:40] | siXy: | mo0dbo0m: well thats a sensible gcc version... try just doing a distclean |
| [16:17:58] | mo0dbo0m: | tried, no luck – i did make distclean && ./configure && (qt3)/qmake -project && qmake && make |
| [16:18:38] | siXy: | mo0dbo0m: what happens if you don't xplicity specify qt3? |
| [16:18:53] | mo0dbo0m: | i get qt4 headers |
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| [16:19:43] | mo0dbo0m: | (and corresponding errors) |
| [16:19:59] | siXy: | hmm – strange – that doesnt happen on mine, but then i don't use gentoo |
| [16:21:07] | mo0dbo0m: | i guess i need to dig into the ebuild and try to duplicate it – thanks for your help siXy |
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| [16:22:32] | siXy: | yeah thats where i would start too- tyr to figure out what distro-specific cruft is there |
| [16:22:56] | at0m|c: | anyone from Belgium online who could pass me the xmltv ID for tv1? |
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| [16:32:19] | wwalker: | fryfrog: cable. SD or HD. If the SD is captured cleanly, it's enough for me. |
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| [16:35:20] | fryfrog: | A PVR500 is a decent choice for analog. An HD card that does QAM *should* get you the FTA HD channels and *maybe* some QAM SD channels (they'll all suck of course, like QVC). |
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| [16:36:36] | fryfrog: | To me, the best solution on cable is Firewire from an STB. It has a monthly fee since it is an STB, but if your cable co in your area isn't lame... you'll get HD and SD channels in digital from it. The SD is much smaller (like, 1G/hr) as compared to MPEG2 PVR500 which is 2.2G/hr by default *and* the firewire recordings should look better. |
| [16:37:08] | RyeBrye: | what about HDHomeRun from cable? |
| [16:37:33] | fryfrog: | that is an HD QAM "card" so the above applies |
| [16:37:33] | RyeBrye: | if the Firewire spits it out, the HDHomerun should get the clear QAM and it could capture two channels at the same time – same digital feed... |
| [16:37:57] | RyeBrye: | Right. it just doesn't use firewire |
| [16:37:59] | fryfrog: | well, firewire from an STB can potentially give you *every* channel you pay for |
| [16:38:05] | fryfrog: | not just the unencrypted qam stuff |
| [16:38:14] | RyeBrye: | Oh, really? |
| [16:38:15] | RyeBrye: | That's cool |
| [16:38:24] | fryfrog: | the down side is you are renting an STB |
| [16:38:32] | fryfrog: | and by "STB" i mean Set Top Box from the cable co |
| [16:38:45] | RyeBrye: | Firewire can't capture the 5c crap, right? |
| [16:38:51] | fryfrog: | right |
| [16:39:02] | fryfrog: | in my area, comcast didn't block *anything* i paid for |
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| [16:39:12] | fryfrog: | but i was using a pair of HD DVRs and they were flakey and unreliable |
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| [16:39:25] | fryfrog: | i may try getting a pair of their HD tuners soon and see how that goes |
| [16:39:39] | RyeBrye: | That's sweet |
| [16:39:52] | RyeBrye: | Comcast blocked some local HD channels on my friends firewire setup |
| [16:39:53] | sphery: | NitohRyu: Glad it worked. |
| [16:40:04] | RyeBrye: | CBS and NBC were fine – but ABC... nope |
| [16:40:09] | RyeBrye: | It was retarded |
| [16:40:23] | sphery: | NitohRyu: Probably also good that you asked... That's a hard one to figure out without experience/direction. |
| [16:40:51] | wwalker: | sorry, STB is? |
| [16:40:57] | RyeBrye: | A friend of mine is using windows and is using MythPlayer to play back video files – anyone know if you can set it up so that links from Mythweb will open up video in that program? |
| [16:41:03] | justinh: | sphery: who are you talking to? |
| [16:41:07] | siXy: | wwalker: STB = set top box |
| [16:41:31] | siXy: | RyeBrye: yes, there is an option in mythweb to change the link prefix |
| [16:41:53] | wwalker: | So probably my best/easiest solution is a STB with a HomeRunHD? |
| [16:41:53] | sphery: | justinh: Someone from last night. Leaving a message in his scrollback. :) |
| [16:42:03] | siXy: | then you can register an application to handle that |
| [16:42:05] | fryfrog: | wwalker: no |
| [16:42:28] | wwalker: | Oh, just firewire from STB to MythTV box, no capture card at all. |
| [16:42:33] | fryfrog: | wwalker: First, I would try renting an STB from your cable co that has a firewire port (might have to be an HD STB). Try that via firewire, see if it works. |
| [16:42:43] | fryfrog: | If it doesn't, you have a few choices from there |
| [16:43:10] | fryfrog: | you can hook a STB up to an analog card like a PVR150 and get *all* channels via say, svideo. It'll look okay, won't be HD, and you'll have all the channels. |
| [16:43:11] | wwalker: | Cool. Thinking of having a MythTV Install fest. so some folks will look for analog or cable without firewire. |
| [16:43:25] | fryfrog: | you could do the same thing with analog, skip the STB |
| [16:43:25] | wwalker: | What should I bring to get them up an running? |
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| [16:43:37] | fryfrog: | you buying them gear or just letting them test with it? |
| [16:44:07] | fryfrog: | if you have the funds/ability, i'd say a PVR150, some QAM/ATSC HD card (air2pc is what i have, there are others) and a firewire STB would be a nice variety for testing/playing with |
| [16:44:09] | wwalker: | probably letting them test with it and hoping someone buys it from me at the end of the day. |
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| [16:44:25] | wwalker: | thank you fryfrog |
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| [16:44:51] | fryfrog: | for the QAM/ATSC, you might want to bring along an antenna. Using QAM in MythTV is a pains taking process of tuning every channel (you might have 300) and figuring out what it is |
| [16:45:07] | fryfrog: | then editing the DB with xmltvid info, then hoping you got it right :p |
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| [16:47:48] | Dibblah: | fryfrog: You don't like the channel editor? |
| [16:49:02] | fryfrog: | good point, i may have used that too |
| [16:49:12] | fryfrog: | editing the db with phpmyadmin wasn't hard though |
| [16:49:23] | fryfrog: | the annoying part is tuning to the 300+ channels it found |
| [16:49:48] | fryfrog: | ~200 were "blank" (encryupted, probably) and a number of those would crash my FE |
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| [16:50:00] | fryfrog: | ~50 were the crap channels like QVC and stuff |
| [16:50:09] | wwalker: | What is probably the simplest/quickest distro? I suspect some folks will want to install from scratch at the meeting so quick install is important |
| [16:50:13] | fryfrog: | ~5 were NBC, ABC, CBS, etc |
| [16:50:30] | fryfrog: | wwalker: probably one of the myth distros like MythBuntu or... |
| [16:50:34] | fryfrog: | there is one based on fedora |
| [16:50:37] | fryfrog: | uh... mythdora? |
| [16:50:49] | wwalker: | Cool, that's what I was leaning to. |
| [16:51:17] | RyeBrye: | I was super excited when I plugged my HDTV with built-in QAM tuner to my cable, and saw it identify 90 something digital channels |
| [16:51:33] | RyeBrye: | until I realized that about 80 of them were those stupid music channels |
| [16:51:35] | siXy: | although there is a great walkthrough for normal fedora, it will still take a while first time |
| [16:52:02] | RyeBrye: | That walkthrough for normal fedora is based on FC6 – which is EOL'ed now too |
| [16:52:35] | RyeBrye: | the same stuff applies for Fedora 8 – but just be aware that you don't have to install FC6 just because he says to |
| [16:52:45] | fryfrog: | RyeBrye: exactly! |
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| [16:53:11] | fryfrog: | RyeBrye: my parents TV has built in QAM too, but since all the HD channels were like 80–1 and 101–8 they never *used* them :p |
| [16:53:17] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [16:53:23] | RyeBrye: | I use them exclusively |
| [16:53:25] | RyeBrye: | :) |
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| [16:53:37] | sphery: | 17GB copied in only 17 hours... It's like using a dial-up modem. (failed hard drive is annoying) |
| [16:53:44] | RyeBrye: | I don't have my HD capture device yet – so if it's HD I watch it live |
| [16:53:57] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [16:54:01] | fryfrog: | yeah, me too! |
| [16:54:21] | fryfrog: | every time i came over they'd be watching NBC in SD and i'd be like... you just bought a 63" WS HD tv, WATCH SOME DAMN HD! |
| [16:54:34] | fryfrog: | they finally got an HD DVR from comcast now, so they usually watch HD shows :) |
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| [16:55:04] | RyeBrye: | That's good |
| [16:55:11] | RyeBrye: | "But we like the black bars on the side" |
| [16:55:18] | fryfrog: | geh |
| [16:55:21] | RyeBrye: | or "We like stretching people so they look like fat midgets" |
| [16:55:45] | fryfrog: | yeah, i come over and i'm like "don't you notice the people are like 2x wider!!!" and they are like "isn't that HD?" |
| [16:55:48] | fryfrog: | GAH! |
| [16:57:39] | RyeBrye: | :) |
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| [17:00:57] | Dibblah: | Could be worse. |
| [17:01:09] | Dibblah: | A relative's TV has a "stretch" mode. |
| [17:01:28] | Dibblah: | ... Which makes both widescreen _and_ 4:3 content look wrong. |
| [17:01:55] | Dibblah: | It compresses the center portion of a widescreen image so the aspect is right _only in the middle_. |
| [17:02:10] | Dibblah: | Pans are... Ill making. |
| [17:02:15] | jams: | could someone check if www.operamail.com works |
| [17:02:26] | Dibblah: | Nope. |
| [17:02:31] | jams: | thanks |
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| [17:02:47] | Dibblah: | Doesn't resolve. |
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| [17:23:21] | cesman: | jams: no go here either |
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| [17:58:02] | at0m|c: | anyone here from Belgium who could pass me the xmltv ID for tv1? |
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| [18:07:01] | Ryushin: | There is free OTA HDTV in the united states. Is there any free over satellite HDTV? |
| [18:08:55] | fryfrog: | don't think so |
| [18:10:13] | Ryushin: | I don't mind putting in a 1 meter or larger dish in the backyard to pull down satellite signals. |
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| [18:14:12] | Nightcrlr: | Ryushin: there is lots sat channels out there, why don't you checkout ----> http://dvbn.happysat.org |
| [18:14:16] | Lightning: | Q. I have 0.20.2 installed. When i'm in the guide on live tv and try to arrow around using the remote, lirc sees the commands, but the guide will get stuck or jump back to the very first channel. I also notice the same issue in the video and music area. I double checked with irw and are seeing the normal key presses. ideas? |
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| [18:16:31] | Ryushin: | thanks Nightcrlr |
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| [19:06:39] | Andycasss: | Is there any way to make mythmusic use mulitple dirs? |
| [19:07:12] | Andycasss: | For example i have folderA and folderB, they both contain mp3s, but cant be in one folder because one of them is lan mounted |
| [19:07:48] | opello: | mount the lan one into the other dir? |
| [19:08:37] | GreyFoxx: | or symlink from inside foldera to where you mounted folderb |
| [19:08:59] | GreyFoxx: | I kno win mythvideo you can specify multiple video dires by using a : between them |
| [19:09:05] | GreyFoxx: | never tried in mythmusic though |
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| [19:10:28] | Andycasss: | i cant create symlink to mounted dir, says operation permitted |
| [19:11:36] | cccp: | check the perms then ;) |
| [19:13:06] | Andycasss: | all 775 |
| [19:13:10] | Andycasss: | 77* |
| [19:13:14] | Andycasss: | ahh 777* |
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| [19:17:31] | sphery: | Funny. Takes longer to copy a 600MB SDTV file (in a part of the disk with bad sectors) than an 8GB HDTV file (in a clean part). |
| [19:20:45] | Ryushin: | Nightcrlr: Are you still around? |
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| [19:27:26] | Ryushin: | I'm going through dvbn.happysat.org, and it looks using BEV you need a subscription. I'm still going through more. I'm looking for free over sat stations. I'd like to be able to compile most of the stations I get over analog cable and tell comcast to piss off. |
| [19:27:56] | iamlindoro_: | It's not going to happen |
| [19:28:08] | iamlindoro_: | Not for free, anyway |
| [19:29:38] | iamlindoro_: | no Free sat in the US |
| [19:29:43] | Ryushin: | so much for that hope. |
| [19:29:52] | Ryushin: | I wonder if I can pick up BBC's free sat. |
| [19:30:40] | iamlindoro_: | I doubt their birds are in the right orbit for that |
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| [19:31:52] | Ryushin: | So I guess I'm still screwed then. It's bad enough that I have to pay $50 a month for NTSC cable with 60 stations and commercials. |
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| [19:43:59] | GreyFoxx: | Ryushin: They are few and far between. You can get more if you have a kband dish and a rotor to move between birds |
| [19:44:09] | GreyFoxx: | but overall there isn't much in NA that's not encyrpted |
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| [19:54:24] | Ryushin: | Yea, I think I'm coming to that realization. I didn't mind getting big dish and putting a rotor on it, if it was going to get me away from comcast. |
| [19:54:33] | Ryushin: | But no scifi, history channel, etc. |
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| [20:14:12] | roothorick: | hi everyone |
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| [20:16:54] | roothorick: | do I have any options if I want to capture cable HDTV? (I have Time Warner / Digital) |
| [20:17:17] | leprechau: | see if they will give you a box with firewire out |
| [20:17:30] | leprechau: | or get an hdmi capture card |
| [20:17:42] | xris: | leprechau: um, hdmi cards are expensive and don't work with linux |
| [20:17:43] | roothorick: | ...there is such a thing? And won't HDCP be a problem? |
| [20:17:45] | fryfrog: | leprechau: with linux drivers? |
| [20:18:02] | fryfrog: | roothorick: you can do a QAM HD card or firewire STB |
| [20:18:10] | xris: | roothorick: you want either ATSC/QAM card for doing over the air (or unencrypted stuff over cable), or better yet, firewire from your cable box |
| [20:18:15] | fryfrog: | if the stb works well, you'll get the best/most results from it |
| [20:18:25] | roothorick: | xris: the firewire stream won't be restricted? |
| [20:18:29] | fryfrog: | qam will only get you the fta ota stuff and *some* crappy ass unencrypted stuff |
| [20:18:32] | fryfrog: | roothorick: it is a pot shot |
| [20:18:35] | roothorick: | that would be ideal as I wouldn't have to buy extra hardware |
| [20:18:43] | xris: | roothorick: required to give you any channels you can get OTA. sometimes you get more. |
| [20:18:44] | fryfrog: | it may or may not be, just have to rent a box and find out |
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| [20:19:19] | roothorick: | what was the QAM HD thing someone mentioned? |
| [20:20:13] | roothorick: | for now we have a standard analog TV but I want to keep my options open — this is going to be a full-blown home theater setup eventually |
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| [20:21:11] | roothorick: | of course I'm going to have to invest in a new, quieter system eventually, but it'd be nice if I could reuse the capture card as they tend to be expensive |
| [20:21:32] | roothorick: | I suppose I could hassle Time Warner about getting a box with firewire |
| [20:21:52] | leprechau: | there was another company too for awhile that sold modded stb with firewire out |
| [20:21:57] | roothorick: | I have extra ammo now since my friend has a SciAl Explorer 3250HD with firewire on the back |
| [20:22:01] | leprechau: | for markets you couldn't get the company to provide them |
| [20:22:03] | xris: | ATSC is the broadcast protocol for HD. QAM is the cable protocol for HD. |
| [20:22:09] | xris: | sort of like how NTSC is for analog |
| [20:22:28] | roothorick: | xris: well hey, will a stb put out a QAM signal? |
| [20:22:35] | directhex: | because the last thing yankland could do is use DVB like the rest of us |
| [20:22:36] | xris: | roothorick: no, QAM is raw cable |
| [20:22:49] | xris: | but it's usually encrypted for any non-local channels |
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| [20:23:01] | roothorick: | xris: ah. Shame. |
| [20:23:10] | xris: | not always, but usually. |
| [20:23:28] | roothorick: | actually, TW does some sort of IPv4-based proprietary crap for their digital and cable HD lineup |
| [20:23:33] | xris: | comcast in seattle encrypts just about everything over QAM, but for some reason I get everything over firewire, including SD stuff. |
| [20:23:43] | roothorick: | the stb dials in just like a cable modem and connects to a server at TW |
| [20:23:48] | fryfrog: | xris: yeah, that is how it was here in ATL with comcast |
| [20:23:50] | roothorick: | I managed to figure out that much |
| [20:24:11] | roothorick: | I'll give TW a call |
| [20:24:17] | xris: | roothorick: it's worth the $5–10/month fee for a month to test out firewire support from TW. |
| [20:24:39] | xris: | (comcast here is $5/month extra for an HD box — you don't pay extra for HD programming itself) |
| [20:24:45] | roothorick: | xris: it should be the same actually. Non-DVR stbs all cost the same to rent and we already have the SD version of the 3250 |
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| [20:25:13] | fryfrog: | i can't figure out comcast in my area :/ |
| [20:25:27] | fryfrog: | it seems to be +$5 for HD content and +$10 to rent an HD DVR *or* HD Tuner |
| [20:26:02] | xris: | roothorick: some places don't offer a non-dvr HD receiver, though.. if you want HD, they make you pay for the DVR |
| [20:26:24] | xris: | fryfrog: first SD box is free, extra SD box is $5. upgrading an SD box to an HD box is $5. |
| [20:26:24] | roothorick: | xris: not here. My friend has a non-DVR HD stb |
| [20:26:33] | roothorick: | and he has almost exactly the same service I do |
| [20:26:39] | xris: | so $5 to upgrade your "free" box to HD, and $5+$5 to get a second HD box |
| [20:26:42] | xris: | roothorick: cool |
| [20:26:58] | roothorick: | xris: lucky. They keep it simple here. $10/mo/ea for DVRs and $6/mo/ea for non-DVRs |
| [20:27:04] | roothorick: | INCLUDING your first box |
| [20:27:07] | xris: | just make sure to check the box for a firewire port when you get it — many people at the cable co don't even know what it is, and not all HD boxes have the firewire port. |
| [20:27:26] | roothorick: | xris: so how should I approach the people on the phone? |
| [20:29:37] | xris: | just say you want an HD box with a firewire port |
| [20:29:44] | xris: | FCC law from 2004 requires they give it to you |
| [20:29:58] | roothorick: | I might want to leave the "HD box" part out |
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| [20:30:15] | roothorick: | last time I tried that, they brought me a 3250HD WITHOUT firewire and claimed I couldn't have it because I don't have an HDTV |
| [20:30:42] | leprechau: | point to your computer monitor |
| [20:30:46] | roothorick: | hahahaha |
| [20:30:47] | GreyFoxx: | That's just stupid |
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| [20:30:53] | leprechau: | all monitors are capable of hdtv resolution |
| [20:30:54] | leprechau: | hehe |
| [20:30:56] | xris: | well, the FCC law only requires firewire for paying HD customers, so you might have to. |
| [20:31:01] | GreyFoxx: | they should want your money and not care if you OWN an hdtv |
| [20:31:07] | GreyFoxx: | tell them you are buying one tomorrow :) |
| [20:31:11] | xris: | roothorick: if they ask, just say you will be using windows media center on your computer. |
| [20:31:21] | roothorick: | xris: ah, good idea |
| [20:31:34] | roothorick: | btw, anyone have a copy of the law so I can read/quote it? |
| [20:31:35] | xris: | GreyFoxx: not the first time I've heard people mention that.. had people get turned down for multiple boxes because they only had one TV. |
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| [20:31:44] | xris: | roothorick: should be linked from the firewire page in the mythtv wiki |
| [20:32:08] | GreyFoxx: | xris: That's just crazy |
| [20:32:35] | xris: | GreyFoxx: yup.. guy finally just lied and said he was getting a new tv in a week or so and wanted to have the box all set up ahead of time. |
| [20:32:39] | GreyFoxx: | If I asked my cable co for 10 stb's they'd happily hand them over and add them to my monthly bill. Whether they sit in acloset all day or actually on tv's |
| [20:32:49] | xris: | yeah, comcast here is like that, too. |
| [20:32:50] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [20:33:03] | xris: | speaking of which, I need to call them up again and get them to adjust my rates down again. |
| [20:33:14] | roothorick: | xris: so just to be clear, this will be equivalent to having one tuner that maybe might have access to digital content, maybe not |
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| [20:34:45] | xris: | man, I love the feeling of calling a winery and getting the owner on his cell phone... :) |
| [20:35:12] | roothorick: | where did my phone headset go |
| [20:35:18] | directhex: | ooh, xris is buying me some wine? |
| [20:35:58] | fryfrog: | roothorick: exactly |
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| [20:36:49] | roothorick: | this sounds like one hell of a longshot |
| [20:36:58] | roothorick: | well, okay |
| [20:37:05] | xris: | directhex: no.. too expensive to give away. :) |
| [20:37:14] | directhex: | :'( |
| [20:37:20] | directhex: | how about some rum? i like rum |
| [20:37:49] | xris: | roothorick: firewire should give you access to some HD content (local broadcast are required, and you can bitch to TW if they don't provide them), and possibly other "cable" HD/SD stations if you're lucky. |
| [20:37:49] | fryfrog: | but it'll only cost you $10 to find out |
| [20:37:56] | fryfrog: | if it doesn't work, return it |
| [20:38:23] | xris: | directhex: I'll happily share rum with you if you want to come over and drink it with me.. I have 4–5 kinds in my liquor cabinet. |
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| [20:39:25] | directhex: | xris, anything nice? my favourite's something special |
| [20:39:29] | roothorick: | "Please hold while your equipment is reset" |
| [20:39:29] | roothorick: | the damn PBX can dial into my stb and soft-reset it now? holy shit |
| [20:39:56] | xris: | roothorick: that's pretty common. I have to call comcast to reboot my cable modem if I don't want to walk out to my garage to do it myself. |
| [20:40:25] | xris: | directhex: havana club, gosslings gold, gosslings black seal, cruzan black strap, bacardi gold... maybe another. |
| [20:40:58] | xris: | I might save up and get myself some gosslings special aged dark if I ever get back to california where they sell it. |
| [20:40:59] | directhex: | xris, which havana club? and that's bacardi oro, the 1-year stuff? |
| [20:43:57] | directhex: | oh, and is that real havana club, or the pirate stuff bacardi sell to the us? |
| [20:45:13] | xris: | directhex: not sure which havana club.. and yes, real stuff I bought in canada... and the bacardi gold is just whatever my wife got for making long island ice tea (didn't want her using my good stuff) |
| [20:45:45] | xris: | and canadian liquor tax is surprisingly worse than it is here in wA. |
| [20:46:26] | roothorick: | so far I've been transferred twice in my quest for a FireWire enabled box |
| [20:48:51] | xris: | roothorick: ick |
| [20:50:27] | directhex: | xris, the most common havana is anejo especial, a pale 2ish year job |
| [20:52:03] | directhex: | IME though, the best rum i've ever tasted by a sterling mile is 7 year santiago de cuba |
| [20:52:12] | directhex: | i have a big ol' glass of it on my desk right now :) |
| [20:54:21] | roothorick: | Okay, I've made an appointment |
| [20:54:38] | roothorick: | on Friday between 3 and 5 a guy from TW is coming to deliver a SciAl Explorer 3250HD |
| [20:54:53] | fryfrog: | you don't have a place you can pick it up? |
| [20:54:58] | roothorick: | no car |
| [20:55:03] | fryfrog: | and did you check the myth source/forums/email list to see if that one is supported? |
| [20:55:08] | fryfrog: | not all STBs are :( |
| [20:55:17] | roothorick: | fryfrog: it's either this or a DVR at a higher monthly rate |
| [20:55:24] | roothorick: | which is also a SciAl Explorer series |
| [20:55:37] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [20:55:43] | roothorick: | where's the compat list anyway? |
| [20:56:08] | directhex: | i think it's supported |
| [20:56:24] | roothorick: | the guy told me it's going to be mostly encrypted |
| [20:56:29] | roothorick: | we'll see ;) |
| [20:56:49] | roothorick: | I'm going to bet standard package channels will be clear but digital package and premium (HBO etc) will be encrypted |
| [20:57:13] | fryfrog: | if you are lucky, anything you pay for will be in the clear |
| [20:57:21] | roothorick: | yeah, right |
| [20:57:21] | fryfrog: | if not, oh well, return it and such. |
| [20:57:30] | directhex: | bugs relating to that STB were marked as fixed in feb 2006 |
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| [20:58:24] | roothorick: | well, I have to transfer my FireWire card to my to-be DVR box, and the card is in this box. I'll drop in again on Friday once I've had a chance to play with the cable box |
| [20:58:29] | roothorick: | later |
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| [21:04:10] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
| [21:04:21] | black_Nightmare_: | any of you here had any experience with nvidia fx series cards? |
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| [21:07:42] | directhex: | many people |
| [21:08:49] | black_Nightmare_: | hm well you know of any with the fx that had vivo? (gpureview lists several in the entire fx generation) |
| [21:14:47] | directhex: | some had vivo, e.g. http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=594 |
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| [21:18:42] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm red fx5200 ultra – thats not too bad |
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| [21:21:03] | black_Nightmare_: | <is still debating agp cards a bit but we'll just see whatever eventually turns out |
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| [21:24:45] | directhex: | well, the fx is somewhat antique, so you get whatever you find |
| [21:25:34] | black_Nightmare_: | directhex...re video cards...I'm surprised there still are some strange names selling new cards with *no* tv-out on them like humm that makes you wonder what they think their real market is (maybe for these bargin/clearout stores) |
| [21:27:42] | directhex: | i can't find any agp vivo cards |
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| [21:30:37] | black_Nightmare_: | heh well the debate I'm having...to put it in simple words: retail fx5200/5500, 3dfx voodoo3/4, tnt2+sigma(pci), or a fourth option I might have missed at first ^_^ |
| [21:32:32] | fryfrog: | no wai, no 3dfx |
| [21:32:37] | fryfrog: | fx5200 for sure |
| [21:33:09] | fryfrog: | tnt2 is old as balls, i wouldn't consider it for anything but a door stop? :) |
| [21:33:39] | directhex: | the only voodoo to use is the voodoo5 6000 |
| [21:33:40] | black_Nightmare_: | fryfrog..what you just said sounds more like isa video cards |
| [21:33:54] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, fryfrog, but black_nightmare wants to build his myth system entirely out of stuff he found in a third-hand shop, and also wants a suggestion on what VESA-Local-Bus mpeg-2 encoder card her can get, and the tuner has to have a BNC connector. |
| [21:33:55] | black_Nightmare_: | they can't even run 800x600 in any good colours typically :p |
| [21:34:06] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [21:34:12] | black_Nightmare_: | iamlindoro...quit joking you funny thing |
| [21:34:26] | iamlindoro_: | Heh |
| [21:34:39] | black_Nightmare_: | I'm not sure vesa and agp were ever found together on same boards were they anyhow? ;) |
| [21:34:45] | fryfrog: | ahaha |
| [21:34:50] | iamlindoro_: | But seriously, how much SD programming CAN you get on a 10 MB MFM hard drive, anyway? |
| [21:35:01] | ** black_Nightmare_ smacks you to upgrade to ide already ** | |
| [21:35:03] | fryfrog: | 1 minute?! |
| [21:35:05] | black_Nightmare_: | :P |
| [21:35:27] | black_Nightmare_: | fryfrog..how much on a 100gb? ;) |
| [21:35:59] | fryfrog: | 50 hrs @ 2g/hr? |
| [21:36:05] | fryfrog: | give or take a bit |
| [21:36:07] | black_Nightmare_: | heh ok ;) |
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| [21:38:40] | black_Nightmare_: | but anyhow fryfrog...in case you wanted to know, the only requirements on the agp card are: quiet but cool (so that means no 60+C heatsinks or jet-blasty fans heh), at least 16mb vram, tv-out [well the tnt2 would just have to cheat with the adjoint sigma card for this anyway] minimum and video-in/tv optional, not difficult to find and for on low budget |
| [21:39:22] | fryfrog: | any gf4 or better should do |
| [21:39:31] | iamlindoro_: | Also, it has to have a 9600 baud modem daughterboard. |
| [21:39:33] | fryfrog: | long as it uses nvidia drivers |
| [21:40:01] | ** black_Nightmare_ whacks iamlindoro to quit the joking already :p ** | |
| [21:40:50] | black_Nightmare_: | fryfrog..well I'm not quite sure about where to find geforce4's .. saw just one local ad once a bit over a week ago but meh |
| [21:41:09] | fryfrog: | well, i'd probably go new and get 6000 series |
| [21:41:16] | fryfrog: | maybe find one for $20–30? |
| [21:41:27] | fryfrog: | should be able to find something passivly cooled in the 6,7 or 8 series |
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| [21:44:00] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm...I looked that up a bit before and they don't seem to be in the brands and/or pricing I'll like so :/ |
| [21:44:08] | black_Nightmare_: | eg msi 7600GS – $135usd |
| [21:44:20] | fryfrog: | try like 7100 or 7200 |
| [21:44:29] | fryfrog: | 7600 is still potentially "gamer" level |
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| [21:46:18] | directhex: | don't use anything older than geforce fx |
| [21:46:32] | directhex: | before then (with some limited exceptions in higher end geforce 4s) tv-out was dreadful |
| [21:46:39] | fryfrog: | I use a 6200 in one, gf4 ti4200 in another |
| [21:46:47] | fryfrog: | but am using dvi/vga out only |
| [21:46:57] | directhex: | i especially mean tnt2, 3dfx, and things like that |
| [21:46:59] | fryfrog: | 6200 was only like $50 or so 2–3 years ago |
| [21:47:24] | black_Nightmare_: | directhex...well the funny thing is... |
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| [21:48:27] | black_Nightmare_: | almost no tnt2 came with tv-out save some of Falcon's (and funny how most of the times anything from Falcon in past were overclocked by default and have became rare to find) as far as I've seen photos |
| [21:48:50] | black_Nightmare_: | but at least these tnt2 had the feature header so you could get video from some mean in an adjacent pci card |
| [21:48:56] | directhex: | you're talking last millennium. it wasn't exacly a desirable feature back then |
| [21:49:07] | black_Nightmare_: | well here's something irony... |
| [21:49:40] | black_Nightmare_: | ati rage pro pci had tv-out all the times but what I never understood was why the tv-out pci version had no dvd decoder and the agp version was vga only but did have a dvd decoder chip |
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| [21:49:58] | black_Nightmare_: | like kinda backward but meh who cares .. both of them are old crappy cards now |
| [21:49:58] | black_Nightmare_: | :p |
| [21:52:08] | black_Nightmare_: | but anyway this sigma pci card I saw at the south recycler (might look a bit closer if its still there this saturday or so) .. it had one header for ati, another for nvidia, and a small one for some special purpose [I forgot label name of it] and on the pci plate it had several video&audio connectors, all being out types |
| [21:52:32] | black_Nightmare_: | I'm not quite sure what it really was but maybe its both tv-out adapter and basic audio card in one |
| [21:53:56] | black_Nightmare_: | fryfrog re 6/7 series geforce...I checked the several webstores I knew of again and I thought so..there's nothing lower than the 7600's pretty much at all :/ |
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| [21:55:07] | black_Nightmare_: | hm... *whacks irc server* meh |
| [21:56:00] | black_Nightmare_: | iamlindoro if you're still there, its not 9600baud, its 56000baud you ancient human :P |
| [21:56:02] | ** black_Nightmare_ laughs ** | |
| [21:56:28] | directhex: | i have a 56k modem or two in a box |
| [21:57:05] | ** KjetilK can't get his remote to work, ** | |
| [21:57:12] | black_Nightmare_: | directhex :p |
| [21:57:36] | KjetilK: | I've been bothering the #ubuntu-mythtv folks about it for a while now, they were helpful, but needed some sleep :-) |
| [21:57:37] | iamlindoro_: | ffs, I don't even have a *telephone line* |
| [21:57:57] | iamlindoro_: | let alone a shit-ass modem to connect to it |
| [21:58:24] | KjetilK: | I have a PVR-150, configured using the MythBuntu Control thingie |
| [21:58:41] | KjetilK: | Now, I see stuff like this in syslog: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/2668/ |
| [21:58:46] | black_Nightmare_: | well my new home (in spring I'll probably finally start moving there fulltime) only has phone line alone (aside to power&water like duh) so :p |
| [21:58:53] | KjetilK: | irw gets no result |
| [21:59:06] | iamlindoro_: | kjetilk, what about mode2 |
| [21:59:37] | KjetilK: | iamlindoro: mode2? |
| [21:59:42] | iamlindoro_: | yep |
| [21:59:44] | iamlindoro_: | mode2 |
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| [22:00:09] | ** KjetilK goes to the living room to try ** | |
| [22:00:34] | iamlindoro_: | http://lirc.org/html/mode2.html |
| [22:00:53] | iamlindoro_: | with -d /dev/whateveryourlircdeviceis if necessary |
| [22:01:53] | black_Nightmare_: | hm well anyhow fryfrog...I'm not sure about voodoo5's as they seem to be a bit hard to find from experience shared by other vintage game owners on a small forum..the 3/4's are easier (then again I already have two ebay store bookmarks on the 3500TV+cable so well yeah heh :"> ) |
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| [22:03:12] | squish102: | is i was writing a script and during the script i had to connect to mysql and perform some sql, what is the command line? |
| [22:03:37] | KjetilK: | iamlindoro_: it should be /dev/lirc0, but there were nothing there either... |
| [22:03:49] | ** KjetilK checked the plug yet again ** | |
| [22:03:58] | iamlindoro_: | kjetilk, pastbin output of: |
| [22:03:59] | KjetilK: | and changed batteries on the remote |
| [22:04:02] | iamlindoro_: | ls -al /dev/lirc* |
| [22:04:04] | iamlindoro_: | and |
| [22:04:06] | iamlindoro_: | dmesg |
| [22:04:11] | KjetilK: | ok |
| [22:04:16] | iamlindoro_: | plus, tell us what remote and receiver you are using |
| [22:04:37] | squish102: | mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg ? how do i get the password automatically in that? |
| [22:04:47] | iamlindoro_: | by putting in your password |
| [22:04:53] | iamlindoro_: | mysql -umythtv -ppassword |
| [22:04:56] | KjetilK: | it is a Hauppauge PVR-150 with ir blaster, but I'm not sure if it is the grey or the silver |
| [22:05:09] | iamlindoro_: | usb IR Blaster, or straight out of the card? |
| [22:05:15] | iamlindoro_: | er IR receiver, that is |
| [22:05:30] | squish102: | thanks iamlindoro_ |
| [22:05:35] | KjetilK: | straight out of the card |
| [22:05:38] | KjetilK: | no USB |
| [22:05:48] | KjetilK: | crw-rw---- 1 root root 61, 0 2007-12–12 20:53 /dev/lirc0 |
| [22:05:48] | KjetilK: | srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2007-12–12 23:01 /dev/lircd |
| [22:05:57] | iamlindoro_: | kjetilk, pastebin it |
| [22:06:00] | KjetilK: | just those two lines for that, hope it was ok |
| [22:06:02] | iamlindoro_: | don't paste into channel |
| [22:06:19] | iamlindoro_: | kjetilk, looks like your devices are fine |
| [22:07:12] | iamlindoro_: | so you ran mode2 and pushed buttons, with no result? |
| [22:08:09] | mikeones: | Just saw this in mythweb while checking the backend status |
| [22:08:14] | mikeones: | Error at /usr/local/mythplugins/mythweb/modules/status/handler.php, line 29: |
| [22:08:14] | mikeones: | file_get_contents(http://10.0.10.197:6544) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! |
| [22:08:14] | mikeones: | Error at /usr/local/mythplugins/mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/default/header.php, line 16: |
| [22:08:14] | mikeones: | Cannot modify header information – headers already sent by (output started at /usr/local/mythplugins/mythweb/includes/errors.php:117) |
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| [22:09:13] | KjetilK: | iamlindoro_: yeah, no results when pushing buttons and running mode2 |
| [22:09:21] | KjetilK: | Here's my dmesg: |
| [22:09:23] | iamlindoro_: | Did it return an error? |
| [22:09:23] | KjetilK: | http://pastebin.ca/813952 |
| [22:09:30] | KjetilK: | iamlindoro_: nope |
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| [22:09:40] | iamlindoro_: | What *did* it output |
| [22:09:48] | iamlindoro_: | Also, what lirc modules did you load |
| [22:09:49] | KjetilK: | iamlindoro_: nothing at all... |
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| [22:10:29] | KjetilK: | iamlindoro_: lirc_dev lirc_i2c |
| [22:10:41] | iamlindoro_: | What remote are you using |
| [22:11:14] | KjetilK: | the ones that come with PVR-150 |
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| [22:11:38] | iamlindoro_: | Kjetilk, did you have to Ctrl-C out of mode-2? |
| [22:11:39] | KjetilK: | I'm not quite sure about the config generated by mythubuntu-control-center |
| [22:11:44] | iamlindoro_: | because it sounds like it was working |
| [22:11:46] | KjetilK: | iamlindoro_: yep |
| [22:12:01] | ** KjetilK wonders if the remote is simply dead... ** | |
| [22:12:03] | iamlindoro_: | Well, as far as LIRC knows, your device is working, then. |
| [22:12:16] | iamlindoro_: | because it would fail otherwise. I would suspect the remote as of right now |
| [22:12:22] | iamlindoro_: | Have you tried another remote with mode2? |
| [22:12:26] | KjetilK: | right |
| [22:12:28] | iamlindoro_: | or even better, several remotes? |
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| [22:12:48] | KjetilK: | nope, it would detect any remote, even if it is not configured for it? |
| [22:12:54] | iamlindoro_: | mode2 would |
| [22:12:59] | KjetilK: | ok, I'll try |
| [22:13:07] | iamlindoro_: | irw depends on a proper lircd.conf, mode2 does not |
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| [22:14:19] | squish102: | this command seems to work for me to automatically log me in from running a bash script in mythbuntu: |
| [22:14:22] | squish102: | mysql -u mythtv -p`cat /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt|grep DBPassword|cut -d"=" -f2` mythconverg |
| [22:14:48] | squish102: | that was a fyi for the logs ;) |
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| [22:18:03] | KjetilK: | iamlindoro_: actually, the TV remote did not result in any mode2 output either... |
| [22:18:16] | black_Nightmare_: | well all this graphic card talks aside.... |
| [22:18:19] | iamlindoro_: | kjetilk, just for reference, it looks like you are using a iMon case/VFD? |
| [22:18:55] | black_Nightmare_: | I still need to figure out between keeping (even although its a tad bit limiting audio performance wise) this old sb16 or find a good upgrade somewhere ^_^ |
| [22:19:10] | KjetilK: | iamlindoro_: it has a VFD, yes, but it is a Antec case |
| [22:19:21] | iamlindoro_: | Right, but the device is iMon |
| [22:19:27] | KjetilK: | ok |
| [22:19:34] | iamlindoro_: | So why aren't you using its IR receiver? |
| [22:19:40] | KjetilK: | I read that some Antec Fusion had a remote |
| [22:19:59] | iamlindoro_: | All antec Fusions have an IR receiver... including yours. |
| [22:20:15] | KjetilK: | good question, it didn't have a remote, so I figured it wouldn't have an IR reciever |
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| [22:20:26] | KjetilK: | but if it has, yeah, then it might be a good idea |
| [22:20:33] | iamlindoro_: | Black or Silver |
| [22:20:45] | Ryushin: | xris: Just as a note, I haven't had any shows go missing after I disabled the mythrename.pl script. |
| [22:20:51] | KjetilK: | so, what you're saying is that I'm struggling with the IR of the case, not that of the PVR-150 |
| [22:21:03] | KjetilK: | iamlindoro_: Silver |
| [22:21:10] | iamlindoro_: | What I'm saying is I don't know, but that you shouldn't try to use both |
| [22:21:15] | KjetilK: | (very pretty, BTW :-) ) |
| [22:21:19] | ** KjetilK ndos ** | |
| [22:21:22] | KjetilK: | err, nods |
| [22:21:30] | iamlindoro_: | Good, silver is easier wetup than Black |
| [22:21:31] | iamlindoro_: | er setup |
| [22:21:37] | black_Nightmare_: | (like as if I can bother asking for sound card suggestions in here tho but go figure) |
| [22:21:39] | Ryushin: | xris: I'm going to add it into a script so it checks to see if transcode or commflag is running before trying to execute. |
| [22:22:49] | iamlindoro_: | OK, start with this for the VFD: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=c5f1 . . . amp;t=306437 |
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| [22:23:09] | xris: | Ryushin: makes sense |
| [22:23:15] | KjetilK: | iamlindoro_: thanks, that new direction has some promise |
| [22:23:30] | iamlindoro_: | yup... anyway, which Ubuntu? |
| [22:24:19] | KjetilK: | Gutsy |
| [22:24:29] | KjetilK: | MythBuntu thing |
| [22:25:00] | KjetilK: | yeah, there is no doubt that lirc is concerned with the iMon device here |
| [22:25:02] | iamlindoro_: | Did you isntall lirc yourself, or let mythbuntu do it? |
| [22:25:10] | KjetilK: | mythbuntu did it |
| [22:25:22] | KjetilK: | but I used the control-center to configure it |
| [22:25:38] | iamlindoro_: | ok, I would think about doing a dpkg-reconfigure lirc, may have some options that will be relevant to you |
| [22:26:26] | iamlindoro_: | I don't know a thinkg about mythbuntu, but a fair bit about ubuntu, so I don't know about their control center, and whether it might have tried to set up both devices and gotten confused |
| [22:26:56] | KjetilK: | yup |
| [22:27:30] | iamlindoro_: | I would do everything I could to avoid using the PVR-150 one, if only for ergonomic's sake |
| [22:27:33] | KjetilK: | I don't have a Driver=CFontzPacket as stated on the ubuntuforums, but I do have a CFontzPacket section in that LCDd.conf |
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| [22:27:56] | KjetilK: | iamlindoro_: yeah, but at some point, I need the IR blaster |
| [22:28:20] | iamlindoro_: | Kjetilk, count yourself lucky it's not a Fusion BLACK |
| [22:28:24] | KjetilK: | hehe |
| [22:28:31] | KjetilK: | the silver was prettier :-) |
| [22:28:41] | iamlindoro_: | you need to install patched lirc and lcdproc for that one, and it prevents you from running ANY other lirc device |
| [22:28:49] | KjetilK: | wooaah |
| [22:29:12] | black_Nightmare_: | hmmm just thought about it now...anyone here use any non-ati/hauppauge remotes with computer? |
| [22:29:27] | iamlindoro_: | Black_nightmare, I use a whole bunch |
| [22:29:41] | iamlindoro_: | It's really no different, just a matter of setting up the lircd.conf appropriately |
| [22:29:55] | black_Nightmare_: | heh iamlindoro...are all of them usb receiver or no? |
| [22:30:16] | iamlindoro_: | Well, I use a few serial IR Blasters, and several brands of USB receiver/Blaster |
| [22:30:27] | iamlindoro_: | MCEUSB, Snapstream, etc. |
| [22:31:14] | iamlindoro_: | mceusb is by far the easiest to set up, though, in my own experience |
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| [22:32:47] | mzb_d800: | home brew serial has to be easy enough :) (and GREAT sensitivity) |
| [22:33:01] | clever: | serial ir blaster was easy |
| [22:33:08] | clever: | mzb_d800: i got 3 dells now:D |
| [22:33:16] | mzb_d800: | nice |
| [22:33:24] | clever: | this is a latityde d630 |
| [22:33:34] | clever: | dual 1.8ghz |
| [22:33:38] | mzb_d800: | pfft ... modern stuff ;) |
| [22:33:50] | clever: | blazing fast |
| [22:33:55] | mzb_d800: | I reckon |
| [22:34:02] | clever: | performs better then the 2.9ghz |
| [22:34:08] | iamlindoro_: | I think serial IR in both directions is simple enough to brew up... just not as simple to *set* up as mceusb |
| [22:34:15] | iamlindoro_: | software side can be a bit of a pain |
| [22:34:28] | clever: | i dont have the hardware for ir receiving thru anything |
| [22:35:03] | mzb_d800: | I haven't been able to get enough power out of my IR transmitter (yet) ... wip |
| [22:35:28] | clever: | my ir blaster is a few inches from my box |
| [22:35:38] | mzb_d800: | I need to flood the room ;) |
| [22:35:45] | clever: | dad claims it may not work because im blinding the box |
| [22:36:00] | clever: | why do you need to flood the room? |
| [22:36:02] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb :p |
| [22:36:15] | mzb_d800: | to bounce off the opposite wall |
| [22:36:26] | clever: | and why? |
| [22:36:30] | mzb_d800: | and control (at least) 4 devices |
| [22:36:32] | mzb_d800: | phone |
| [22:36:38] | clever: | ahhh |
| [22:36:44] | clever: | controling multiple devices |
| [22:36:45] | black_Nightmare_: | well I think that if I was to add a remote it's receiver probably would had to be serial (although I could power it off the ps/2 port with no problem) since the only two usb onboard probably both are going to be occupied me think |
| [22:36:56] | clever: | id like to be able to turn my TV on with the ir blaster |
| [22:37:17] | iamlindoro_: | So what's wrong with a powered hub? |
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| [22:37:18] | clever: | but i cant find the code online and id need to rearrange things |
| [22:37:23] | black_Nightmare_: | still wondering about that one from the iguanawork site...seem nice |
| [22:38:23] | mzb_d800: | I just need to modify my circuit slightly, and|or change the LED |
| [22:38:44] | clever: | i had my ir blaster on the end of a serial extension at first |
| [22:38:48] | clever: | to blast the box on the other side of the room |
| [22:39:16] | clever: | but ive since moved the box |
| [22:39:24] | mzb_d800: | I get a few m out of this one ... but just not enough to bounce off the wall |
| [22:39:40] | mzb_d800: | I managed to fit it on the same board as the receiver ... so quite compact |
| [22:39:48] | clever: | i have a fiber optic cable here |
| [22:39:59] | clever: | and i tried to pipe a plain remote thru it in the past |
| [22:40:05] | clever: | but it didnt realy work |
| [22:40:12] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=83 |
| [22:40:40] | mzb_d800: | fitting all the transmitter parts on that board was interesting ;) |
| [22:40:53] | clever: | ive seen it done without a board |
| [22:41:00] | mzb_d800: | (I made two receivers) |
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| [22:41:37] | mzb_d800: | using veroboard is as low as I go ... no board is just messy+lazy |
| [22:41:55] | mzb_d800: | (and unreliable) |
| [22:41:57] | clever: | i ordered one from the site i saw |
| [22:41:59] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb....you wouldn't want to see many of my little circuits then |
| [22:42:04] | clever: | and still havent got it |
| [22:42:08] | clever: | after a few months:P |
| [22:42:16] | black_Nightmare_: | almost all of them are just stuffed together then wrapped quickly in black tape to keep the shape together |
| [22:42:41] | mzb_d800: | black_Nightmare_: no, doesn't sound like something I'd want to know anything about ;)) |
| [22:42:58] | clever: | one of the last things i wired into my pc was worse:P |
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| [22:43:09] | clever: | several pins with a loop on the end |
| [22:43:16] | clever: | wire thru the loop and bent |
| [22:43:26] | clever: | plain scotch tape to insulate |
| [22:43:36] | clever: | each inserted into a pin on the lpt port |
| [22:44:12] | mzb_d800: | I use staples and paper-clips a lot for testing |
| [22:44:16] | clever: | lol |
| [22:44:26] | directhex: | paperclips are how you test a PSU |
| [22:44:36] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [22:44:48] | mzb_d800: | got a multimeter for that |
| [22:44:56] | clever: | but how to turn on a psu? |
| [22:45:11] | directhex: | clever, green wire -> paperclip -> black wire |
| [22:45:24] | clever: | which needs a paperclip not a multimeter |
| [22:46:12] | mzb_d800: | no, I test a PSU with a multimeter, I turn it ON with *anything* (eg. paperclips) |
| [22:46:20] | clever: | ahh |
| [22:46:26] | clever: | that makes more sense |
| [22:46:39] | mzb_d800: | usually a screwdriver ;) |
| [22:46:54] | directhex: | how do you screwdrive two pins together? O_o |
| [22:47:06] | mzb_d800: | the back of the plug |
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| [22:47:14] | clever: | pop them out of the plug? |
| [22:47:57] | mzb_d800: | sometimes, but there's usually enough slop to do the job ... assuming I can't find something easier this is (expensive things paperclips ;)) |
| [22:49:00] | iamlindoro_: | Oooh, this is a cool little OSX App. http://www.staarcom.com/software/IRControl/ |
| [22:49:14] | iamlindoro_: | A way to get rid of that useless Frontrow remote. |
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| [22:50:03] | clever: | mzb_d800: im having some odd problems with the d630 |
| [22:50:19] | mzb_d800: | what are you running on it? |
| [22:50:25] | clever: | xp pro came with it |
| [22:50:28] | clever: | which i cant remove |
| [22:50:33] | mzb_d800: | there's problem #1 ;) |
| [22:50:42] | mzb_d800: | (and 2) |
| [22:50:44] | clever: | dad needs it for his job:P |
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| [22:51:11] | clever: | i tried the ubuntu livecd to play with linux without installing but it doesnt boot right |
| [22:51:22] | KjetilK: | wooohooo, got the VFD working |
| [22:51:29] | mzb_d800: | so either colinux+freenx, or resize+install |
| [22:51:33] | KjetilK: | it says something, at least |
| [22:51:45] | clever: | mzb_d800: cant do anything with the hdd or dad will kill me:P |
| [22:51:53] | iamlindoro_: | Step in the right direction |
| [22:51:55] | mzb_d800: | colinux+freenx |
| [22:52:05] | KjetilK: | I haven't done anything to install imon_vfd, though, does that mean it is in the kernel now? |
| [22:52:11] | clever: | mzb_d800: colinux runs beside xp and may damage the vpn and stuff |
| [22:52:33] | clever: | mzb_d800: and colinux wont let me play with the cpu freq and stuff |
| [22:52:38] | mzb_d800: | I doubt it ... and no, not "beside" it ... it either runs as an app, or a service |
| [22:52:45] | mzb_d800: | no, that |
| [22:52:49] | mzb_d800: | 's right |
| [22:53:11] | clever: | i can just boot off a usb drive or nfsroot it with usb boot(or ethet boot) |
| [22:53:19] | clever: | wont do anything to the hdd |
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| [22:53:33] | clever: | but the livecd wont even load all the way yet |
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| [22:53:57] | mzb_d800: | probably something essential missing |
| [22:54:11] | mzb_d800: | tried with "noapic acpi=off" (etc) ? |
| [22:54:15] | clever: | not yet |
| [22:54:24] | clever: | also |
| [22:54:44] | clever: | after transfering a few gig over ethernet(a few min) |
| [22:54:49] | clever: | the whole network stack seems to die |
| [22:54:58] | mzb_d800: | I ran this machine off a 2GB SD card for a few weeks ... got Ubuntu running (nicely) off one of them |
| [22:55:00] | clever: | eth and wifi wont work and dhcp doesnt even reply |
| [22:55:22] | clever: | reboot fixes it |
| [22:55:32] | mzb_d800: | get a real install going so that if it hits meltdown you'll at least have logs to examine |
| [22:55:54] | clever: | a real install would fry the xp dad needs to do his job:P |
| [22:55:59] | mzb_d800: | no |
| [22:56:02] | clever: | and that can only start when the gui finaly boots |
| [22:56:03] | mzb_d800: | on USB |
| [22:56:24] | mzb_d800: | forget Ubuntu (atm) |
| [22:56:28] | clever: | and i dont have a free drive for usb atm |
| [22:56:32] | mzb_d800: | get Debian lenny |
| [22:56:34] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [22:56:41] | mzb_d800: | well that just makes it hard ;) |
| [22:56:57] | clever: | i could use deboostrap to make an install root |
| [22:57:05] | clever: | then use that for nfs root |
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| [22:57:38] | mzb_d800: | s/cdebootstrap/ ;) |
| [22:58:46] | clever: | the wifi on my olddell crashed |
| [22:58:55] | clever: | causing the lineediting to lockup |
| [22:59:02] | clever: | while i made a typo |
| [22:59:32] | clever: | noapic acpi=off droped me to busybox |
| [23:00:07] | clever: | all i see is sda[,1] |
| [23:00:14] | clever: | dont see the cddrive in /dev/ |
| [23:00:15] | mzb_d800: | try Lenny if you're trying to debug ... ubuntu too big and ... etc |
| [23:00:30] | mzb_d800: | netboot CD would be enough |
| [23:00:38] | mzb_d800: | s/netinst/ |
| [23:00:44] | clever: | feels like it doesnt like the cddrive |
| [23:00:50] | clever: | but i do have another that would fit |
| [23:00:52] | clever: | hold on |
| [23:02:02] | clever: | drive from the middle dell should work |
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| [23:03:50] | clever: | mzb: booting... |
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| [23:04:33] | clever: | busybox again |
| [23:04:46] | clever: | isnt the cddrive(this one boots in other laptop) |
| [23:05:50] | mzb_d800: | yep .. prob lot's of params your wiping out ... just try a netinst CD ... or puppy |
| [23:06:06] | clever: | its also a sata drive/slot |
| [23:06:12] | clever: | so i cant shove a known working drive in |
| [23:06:15] | mzb_d800: | I knew talking to you about this would cause trouble ;)) :: |
| [23:06:32] | clever: | but a internal ubuntu install can boot thru a usb enclosure no problem |
| [23:06:36] | mzb_d800: | I've bought a 4GB USB keyring for woman (for Christmas) |
| [23:06:45] | clever: | it has no trouble being moved arround |
| [23:06:55] | mzb_d800: | now instead of just putting music on it, I think I'll put puppy on it too ;)) |
| [23:07:22] | clever: | lol |
| [23:07:32] | ** clever grabs the old drive and a usb enclosure ** | |
| [23:07:33] | mzb_d800: | like I need extra things to do! |
| [23:07:37] | clever: | lfs from my thin client |
| [23:07:50] | mzb_d800: | try puppy (it's ALSO Australian;) |
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| [23:08:06] | mzb_d800: | (Debian = Deborah and Ian, btw ;) |
| [23:08:21] | clever: | this thinclient drive boots in a 486 without a pci bus! |
| [23:08:33] | clever: | if i built the usb drivers it should boot in here |
| [23:08:35] | mzb_d800: | puppy has a nice "install to usb" option |
| [23:09:59] | clever: | grub loaded up fine |
| [23:10:20] | clever: | now to boot the thinclient which may lack usb drivers |
| [23:10:27] | clever: | panic unable to find rootfs:) |
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| [23:10:42] | ** clever inserts into 50mhz and builds usb ** | |
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| [23:12:18] | clever: | 3rd box this root has been booted in(tried) |
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| [23:14:15] | clever: | 50mhz is giving me cmos problems |
| [23:14:29] | clever: | shouldnt have left it in the mossy woods so long:P |
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| [23:14:41] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [23:15:25] | clever: | its missing a cmos batery |
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| [23:18:21] | ** clever throws the drive back into qemu ** | |
| [23:18:58] | clever: | and away it goes |
| [23:19:24] | clever: | should just need a uuid fstab and usb modules |
| [23:20:18] | clever: | not shure if the kernel is even smp enabled though |
| [23:20:37] | clever: | hda has been unchecked for 6k days... |
| [23:20:44] | ** clever slaps cmos clock ** | |
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| [23:47:24] | clever: | mass storage and friends enabled |
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| [23:59:43] | mzb_d800: | time to test puppy on this flash drive |
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