| Tuesday, December 11th, 2007, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:13] | Mersault: | my room mate is very very lazy. I noticed that when the mythbox broke for a weekend, he started cleaning and stuff |
| [00:00:23] | cccp: | hah |
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| [00:00:26] | Mersault: | I almost didn't repair it |
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| [00:00:38] | cccp: | i only start cleanin before exams, when i want to do something useful instead of learning ;) |
| [00:00:45] | cccp: | hrm |
| [00:00:51] | cccp: | implement some ticket system |
| [00:00:54] | Mersault: | he's not in school, so that never happens |
| [00:00:54] | cccp: | 1 hour access ticket |
| [00:00:58] | cccp: | which he must get from you |
| [00:01:08] | mr|venm: | Is it possible to disable the "video information" window so you don't have to hit "enter" an extra time before the video loads in the player? The window I'm referring to is: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:VideoSelect.jpg |
| [00:01:15] | cccp: | for money/sexual service/cleanin up the flat ;P |
| [00:01:33] | Mersault: | sexual service? ick... he'd be terrible |
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| [00:01:47] | Mersault: | dragging teeth, etc. |
| [00:01:52] | cccp: | haha.. you dont know how good people can get at things when it comes to tv |
| [00:02:02] | cccp: | um. ouch. |
| [00:02:04] | Mersault: | I'd settle for him repairing the electrical plugs |
| [00:02:16] | Mersault: | namely, the one the mythbox plugs into.... |
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| [00:05:30] | mr|venm: | can someone please help me resolve this issue? :( |
| [00:06:14] | mr|venm: | Is it possible to disable the "video information" window so you don't have to hit "enter" an extra time before the video loads in the player? The window I'm referring to is: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:VideoSelect.jpg |
| [00:07:16] | mr|venm: | hmm, i feel like i'm being ignored :( |
| [00:08:21] | jams: | the answer is no |
| [00:08:34] | xand: | mr|venm: after 62 seconds? |
| [00:08:38] | mr|venm: | what? |
| [00:08:47] | mr|venm: | xand: thats about the 4th time i've asked that here. |
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| [00:09:03] | xand: | oh, well that generally means no-one knows the answer |
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| [00:09:09] | xand: | (and is paying attention) |
| [00:09:12] | mr|venm: | :( |
| [00:09:18] | directhex: | 42! |
| [00:09:20] | jams: | no no no |
| [00:09:22] | mr|venm: | so its not possible? :( |
| [00:09:36] | jams: | now all 4 times have been answered. |
| [00:09:47] | xand: | well... it's OSS so it must be possible ;) |
| [00:09:53] | mr|venm: | lol |
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| [00:13:08] | kmyth: | which channel frequency table do i select if i've got a coaxial for cable TV hooked up to a HDhomerun? |
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| [00:16:51] | mr|venm: | omg, myth_apple_trailers is so hot |
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| [00:18:56] | kdubya: | kmyth, QAM 256 |
| [00:19:17] | kdubya: | dont expect to get much though... |
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| [00:25:29] | kmyth: | theres actually quite a few |
| [00:25:32] | kmyth: | in my area |
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| [00:28:12] | kdubya: | The you are lucky. |
| [00:28:14] | kdubya: | then* |
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| [00:30:11] | arod: | I'd like to shutdown from the frontend but I can only terminate frontend itself. I'm running myth 0.20 on debian etch |
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| [00:30:42] | arod: | should I change /sbin/halt permissions or something? |
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| [01:46:06] | Nightcrlr: | <justinh> Back-end-log ---> http://www.pastebin.ca/811007 Front-endlog ---> http://www.pastebin.ca/811010 |
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| [02:06:46] | usererro1: | any Hauppage WinTV card users out there?? I've got a funny video issue. |
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| [02:08:51] | squish102: | has any1 tried the dlink dsm-320 media extender with mythtv? |
| [02:09:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: I had one – worked fine with SD tv. I have since updated to HD uPnP players. |
| [02:09:33] | BULLE: | squish102: nope, i avoid anything with dlink name like it contained anthrax sphores |
| [02:09:55] | squish102: | J-e-f-f-A so are u running the 520? |
| [02:10:12] | squish102: | well i found a good deal on it so i will try it out |
| [02:10:28] | BULLE: | J-e-f-f-A: what hardware do you use now, instead of the dlink ? |
| [02:10:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: No, I've got a couple of Buffalo LinkTheatre HD players... |
| [02:10:33] | squish102: | for any1 else in the US, they have them for sale at buy.com for $50 |
| [02:10:36] | squish102: | http://www.buy.com/prod/d-link-wireless-media . . . 0135293.html |
| [02:10:57] | squish102: | i thought, for $50 i would try it out... connecting to a SD and see if it works |
| [02:11:04] | BULLE: | hmm, guess they are great for use in say a bedroom or kitchen |
| [02:11:15] | BULLE: | the buffalo thingies that is |
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| [02:11:19] | squish102: | or bedroom upstairs etc |
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| [02:11:46] | BULLE: | ye |
| [02:11:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | BULLE: I use a couple of Buffalo HD uPNP players (as mentioned), and my winblows laptop using samba and vlc. (I haven't updated my frontends to the matching version of Myth/SVN yet, too busy...) |
| [02:12:35] | BULLE: | ah |
| [02:12:37] | squish102: | ouch... it just says unable to open file :( |
| [02:12:49] | BULLE: | squish102: and what format are you storing the file in ? |
| [02:12:49] | squish102: | although i can see all my recordings :( |
| [02:13:01] | squish102: | whatever mythtv uses |
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| [02:13:09] | squish102: | mpeg2 i guess |
| [02:13:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: What is your tuner and/or source? |
| [02:13:41] | squish102: | tuner is a pvr 150 and an ati HDTV |
| [02:13:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: I have Hauppauge PVR tuners... |
| [02:13:50] | squish102: | but im just trying to get to recordings |
| [02:14:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: Ok, it should play any of the PVR150 recordings just fine. (Unless you transcode them to mpeg4 or something) |
| [02:14:20] | squish102: | ahhh, i think it is the HD ones |
| [02:14:27] | squish102: | that give me the problem |
| [02:15:10] | usererro1: | does anyone have their colors all screwed up when you enabled the ATI driver instead of the standard VESA? |
| [02:15:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: Yeah, I think so. The only HD it will play is low-resolution HD, ie 720x480.... But more and more is going 'full' hd, ie 720p and 1080i – up-converted if it was sd to begin with. |
| [02:16:03] | ** J-e-f-f-A avoids ATI like the plague... (Just like BULLE avaoids dlink...) ** | |
| [02:16:04] | squish102: | J-e-f-f-A, so i guess I need to transcode my HD content to SD to watch on a SD tv? |
| [02:16:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: Well, no. You could get a HD media player, and it will down-convert to S-Video or even composite. |
| [02:16:33] | kdubya: | only if your frontend cannot play hd |
| [02:17:09] | squish102: | J-e-f-f-A, i dooubt i can get a Hd media extender for $50 ;) |
| [02:17:40] | squish102: | so maybe I can transcode them somehow and drop them into the video directory and then watch them that way |
| [02:18:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: Probably not, but $100 isn't un-realistic... I think I paid around $199 each for mine, when they were selling for $250+ — when CompUSA closed 1/2 of their stores. |
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| [02:18:32] | squish102: | for the buffalo's? |
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| [02:19:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: Um... I've got 1 Buffalo LinkTheatre, and 2 Avel LinkPlayer2's. |
| [02:19:41] | squish102: | i must say, after 30 secs of using this dlink on a SD tv with wireless G... im pretty impressed |
| [02:20:08] | squish102: | and the nicest thing is that i didnt even have to screw with mythtv |
| [02:20:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: yeah, it's got a really good picture, it's great for SD. I actually just gave mine to a friend since I don't use it anymore. |
| [02:20:54] | squish102: | AND MYTHTV JUST WORKED ;) |
| [02:21:06] | squish102: | most impressed |
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| [02:21:37] | squish102: | i vote for uPnP AV |
| [02:22:23] | squish102: | J-e-f-f-A did u ever play any HD content on your dsm-320? |
| [02:22:41] | squish102: | if u did, could u give me a hint how, so i can start researching |
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| [02:23:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: Yes and No... It was SD transmitted on the HD channel, at 640x480 iirc... It was over a year ago... |
| [02:23:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: (or 720x480) — It wasn't 720p or 'real' HD. |
| [02:24:04] | kdubya: | enhanced definition |
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| [02:24:14] | squish102: | ok, i'll google for "mythtv reduce HD to SD" |
| [02:24:39] | kdubya: | cant you just use a transcoder |
| [02:24:52] | kdubya: | i guess that would delete your HD copy though |
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| [02:25:20] | squish102: | kdubya, yes, that may suck, but i may need to do it |
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| [02:25:37] | squish102: | if i want to keep the relevant information about the show |
| [02:26:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: You'd probably have better luck building a HD-capable frontend. I've been able to squeak by playing HD with a 1Ghz PIII, 512MB ram, and NVIDIA using XVMC... |
| [02:27:01] | squish102: | J-e-f-f-A, maybe... but this is for a wife... she hates big ol computers at each tv |
| [02:27:04] | BULLE: | J-e-f-f-A: that must be mpeg2 hd streams, right ? |
| [02:27:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: But I seem to have gotten lucky with that, as most couldn't get HD to play on anything less than a 1.6 PIII or so... |
| [02:27:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | BULLE: Yeah. |
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| [02:27:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | BULLE: I forgot that things are switching over to H.264 / mpeg4 ... |
| [02:27:38] | kdubya: | the answer is obviously to get your woman in line |
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| [02:27:56] | squish102: | or find another woman |
| [02:28:05] | BULLE: | J-e-f-f-A: well, here they never realy used mpeg2 so its not so much a switch, but ye, mpeg4 avc is what they use nowadays |
| [02:28:17] | Nightcrlr: | can anyone help me out with this is the error that mythtv is getting -----> "Error was encountered while displaying video" Back-end-log ---> http://www.pastebin.ca/811007 Front-end-log ---> http://www.pastebin.ca/811010 |
| [02:28:22] | BULLE: | shouldnt be a problem with the woman realy |
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| [02:28:36] | squish102: | ok so what is my HD signal recorded in? and what do i need to get it to? |
| [02:28:36] | BULLE: | i mean, she is supposed to be in the kitchen right, in front of the stove, if she isnt, she is lost, just direct her there again |
| [02:28:39] | kdubya: | i wish we would hurry up and stop using mpeg2 |
| [02:28:45] | kdubya: | 10 HD channels is weak |
| [02:28:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | BULLE: That was also US ATSC HD ... which is currently MPEG2 |
| [02:29:02] | squish102: | lol BULLE |
| [02:29:12] | BULLE: | ye, and as ATSC is the us standard, you will have to live with mpeg2 for quite some time |
| [02:29:19] | BULLE: | here, we use mpeg2 for SD tv, and mpeg4 for hd |
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| [02:31:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | BULLE: The LinkTheatre players are supposed to do mpeg4, but I haven't tested them yet. (I suspect they may be transcoding mpeg4 to mpeg2 with the winblows 'server' software to provide the support.) |
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| [02:32:30] | squish102: | J-e-f-f-A do u know a good place to find help on mythtv and dlink? |
| [02:32:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: Just the wiki... look for the uPNP section |
| [02:33:42] | squish102: | thanks |
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| [02:42:53] | echosyp: | will mythtv record HD through firewire? |
| [02:44:04] | jams: | echosyp- if it's not encrypted |
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| [02:45:42] | echosyp: | how do i find out if it is |
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| [02:46:12] | echosyp: | i was really looking for a straight "yes" |
| [02:46:23] | echosyp: | but i knew it wouldn't be that easy |
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| [02:47:13] | dennister: | hey ppl, any schedulesdirect ppl online in the channel? |
| [02:48:18] | ** Beirdo looks at the list of users... yes. ** | |
| [02:48:51] | dennister: | we're having some trouble signing up... |
| [02:49:04] | dennister: | Beirdo: who? |
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| [02:49:35] | Beirdo: | xri1... whether or not he's in... and needs to fix his nick. |
| [02:49:50] | dennister: | hey, gnome42...welcome neighbour |
| [02:50:06] | ** mkrufky says hello ** | |
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| [02:50:56] | DustyBin: | in mythtv setup ive set the backend ports to use 127.0.0.1 in both settings, however if i nmap the box, the mythtv ports still show: |
| [02:51:01] | DustyBin: | 6543/tcp open mythtv |
| [02:51:05] | DustyBin: | why? |
| [02:51:09] | DustyBin: | 6544/tcp open mythtv |
| [02:51:40] | xri1 is now known as xris | |
| [02:51:43] | mkrufky: | 127.0.0.1 is an IP address, not a port |
| [02:51:56] | DustyBin: | ok |
| [02:52:03] | xris: | Beirdo: thanks.. I kicked the other me out, but apparently the /nick didn't trigger |
| [02:52:06] | DustyBin: | why arent the ports opened locally? |
| [02:52:15] | mkrufky: | that *is* local |
| [02:52:21] | xris: | but for once, the other xris was actually me. (left my machine at work logged in) |
| [02:52:37] | mkrufky: | yeah, i constantly find myself killing other mkrufky's too |
| [02:52:51] | DustyBin: | mkrufky: how comes mysql-server ports are not showing and ive got mysql server running on that same box..? |
| [02:53:02] | Beirdo: | xris: no problem. the other one's xri2? ;) |
| [02:53:31] | Beirdo: | argh, now my shift key is malfunctioning too |
| [02:53:41] | DustyBin: | cp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2732/mysqld |
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| [02:54:08] | mkrufky: | im not sure what you're asking, DustyBin ... where are you looking to "see" these ? |
| [02:54:11] | The_Rebel: | helloz |
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| [02:54:24] | DustyBin: | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6543 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3149/mythbackend |
| [02:54:27] | The_Rebel: | what is this "fixes" branch for? |
| [02:54:32] | DustyBin: | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2732/mysqld |
| [02:54:40] | The_Rebel: | is it mythtv fixes or NA DVB patch sets? |
| [02:54:48] | DustyBin: | 0 0.0.0.0:6543 <-- mythtv listens on ALL interfaces... |
| [02:54:53] | DustyBin: | no matter what.... |
| [02:54:59] | ** DustyBin scratches head ** | |
| [02:55:22] | xris: | I think that xri2 came about when I recovered the xris nick... and pidgin auto-reconnected the irc connection |
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| [02:57:02] | ** xris enjoys the fruits of his new (drink) muddler... yummy cachaça ** | |
| [02:57:09] | DustyBin: | the only way i can stop the mythtv ports from showing on my LAN is by using iptables |
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| [03:00:44] | usererro1: | does anyone have a recent solution to the "Blue skin" on people problem, detailed here? |
| [03:00:44] | usererro1: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=429341 |
| [03:01:25] | mkrufky: | usererro1: what is the model number of your pvrusb2? |
| [03:01:39] | mkrufky: | oh, forget it |
| [03:01:48] | mkrufky: | i just read the read of the page, and it's an fglrx bug |
| [03:02:04] | mkrufky: | somebody pointed you to a deb package that you can use as a workaround |
| [03:02:25] | usererro1: | that package wont work |
| [03:02:30] | usererro1: | its for myth 0.20.0 |
| [03:02:41] | usererro1: | and this latest mythbuntu CD i have is 0.20.2 |
| [03:03:04] | usererro1: | i would downgrade myth, but i don't think i know how to. |
| [03:03:13] | mkrufky: | looks to me like you should go find superm1 and ask him for a new deb |
| [03:03:17] | usererro1: | haha |
| [03:03:21] | mkrufky: | i see him in the ubuntu chat rooms quite often |
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| [03:03:30] | usererro1: | really. |
| [03:03:31] | usererro1: | hmm |
| [03:03:43] | usererro1: | i mean i could go back to just using the VESA driver |
| [03:03:52] | usererro1: | but then i dont get the nifty video preview in the guide listing. |
| [03:03:53] | mkrufky: | but, to be honest, although he might have another remporary fix for you, this *is* a result of ATI binary brain-damage (fglrx) |
| [03:03:57] | iamlindoro: | or just ask him for a diff, apply it to SVN and compile yourself |
| [03:04:00] | mkrufky: | s/rempory/tempory |
| [03:04:27] | usererro1: | so the best solution would be to find an Nvidia card?? |
| [03:04:30] | mkrufky: | hah, forget it — the word was meant to be misspelledf |
| [03:04:38] | usererro1: | heh |
| [03:05:35] | mkrufky: | no, |
| [03:05:43] | mkrufky: | nvidia is also a binary driver |
| [03:05:58] | mkrufky: | you should file a bug with the ati folks, if its really their bug |
| [03:06:04] | mkrufky: | and you can try the open source ati driver |
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| [03:06:47] | usererro1: | hmm |
| [03:06:52] | jroysdon: | I'm trying to strip out commercials and then transcode it without them: mythcommflag --gencutlist -f 1003_20071208100000.mpg ; mythtranscode --mpeg2 --showprogress --honorcutlist -i 1003_20071208100000.mpg -o 1003_20071208100000_trans.mpg |
| [03:07:13] | jroysdon: | I've checked and the show properly has marked 2 commercials... but the _trans.mpg file still has the commercials. Any ideas? |
| [03:09:01] | iamlindoro: | jroysdon, I presume you're doing it according to the similar script from the wiki? |
| [03:09:24] | jroysdon: | yup |
| [03:09:33] | jroysdon: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing . . . command-line |
| [03:09:38] | iamlindoro: | read the discussion page like it tells you to |
| [03:09:52] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Script_-_RemoveCommercials |
| [03:09:56] | iamlindoro: | discussion page |
| [03:10:00] | iamlindoro: | then you'll know why it's not working |
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| [03:13:04] | jroysdon: | I read it, it doesn't tell me anything I'm doing wrong. |
| [03:13:58] | iamlindoro: | I quote: "Mythtranscode cannot load the cutlist from the filename alone when using the mpeg2 lossless transcoding. Another way to do this is to call mythtranscode with the chanid and starttime parameters. So the user job is modified as such." |
| [03:14:08] | iamlindoro: | Then it shows you an example of proper format to do it |
| [03:14:36] | iamlindoro: | ie, invoking with chanid and starttime instead of filename |
| [03:15:15] | jroysdon: | Ok, I see, it's just using the filename and has no DB reference and hence no commercial flags, right? |
| [03:15:33] | jroysdon: | (But I don't see the word "cannot" on the link you gave) |
| [03:15:35] | iamlindoro: | seems like it |
| [03:15:55] | iamlindoro: | It's on the *discussion* page, like I have told you |
| [03:16:08] | iamlindoro: | twice |
| [03:16:38] | jroysdon: | Ah, I'm not that with the wiki discussion tabs (never noticed them, actually). I see it now. |
| [03:17:27] | iamlindoro: | some of the best info is there... like in this case ;) |
| [03:17:50] | iamlindoro: | anyway, off to dinner, good luck, that should get you sorted |
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| [03:21:27] | jroysdon: | What is the --starttime format expected? |
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| [03:24:11] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythcommflag |
| [03:26:20] | iam8up: | where is a good place to start shopping for hardware? are there any pre-made lists of known compatible hardware? |
| [03:27:38] | xris: | iam8up: linuxtv.org lists tv cards... the rest is pretty much up to you. |
| [03:27:43] | iamlindoro: | iam8up, check out http://mythic.tv/... something like their "Dragon 2.0" system would be a good start for a nice medium-high end combined frontend/backend, and is all known to work with Myth |
| [03:27:44] | xris: | most people tend to like newegg |
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| [03:27:59] | iamlindoro: | Not to necessarily buy from them, but it's a good place to learn |
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| [03:29:11] | iam8up: | iamlindoro – what do you mean by medium-high end? rating on what – quality of the hardware or compatibility? |
| [03:29:36] | iamlindoro: | Capability/speed to handle high-end media like 1080p x.264. |
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| [03:30:40] | iamlindoro: | Hang out in here for a while and you'll see that the "gold standard" of a myth box is whether it could handle something like a BBC HD stream... That base system should be able to handle something like that prety well. If you're just doing SD, you could get away with far far less. |
| [03:30:41] | confuzed_: | can anyone tell me how I can release a hung tuner. I have this happen pretty often, a tuner gets hung watching live tv... and will record for days, often preventing my scheduled shows from recording. |
| [03:30:54] | xris: | reboot? |
| [03:31:10] | confuzed_: | xris I'd rather not |
| [03:31:10] | kdubya: | heh |
| [03:31:20] | iamlindoro: | find the process that's using it and kill it |
| [03:31:53] | confuzed_: | iamlindoro, it's mythtv-backend of course... but it controls four tuners that may be recording other shows |
| [03:32:35] | xris: | confuzed_: just saying.. it works. |
| [03:32:36] | iamlindoro: | confuzed, not much you can do about that... whichever process has hung on it is going to keep hanging onto it until you stop it, either by killing it or doing as xris said |
| [03:32:46] | confuzed_: | they are ivtv tuners... is there an ivtv command that can kill recording on a single tuner? |
| [03:33:31] | confuzed_: | iamlindoro, it's not that the process is hung... mythbackend is working fine... it just doesn't realize that no one is watching tv on that tuner anymore and won't release it |
| [03:33:48] | iamlindoro: | confuzed, I'm aware of that... and it doesn't change a thing of what I said |
| [03:34:03] | kdubya: | that sounds like myth being confused not the card |
| [03:34:13] | iamlindoro: | If it won't give it back, you don't have a lot of options |
| [03:34:35] | Agrajag-: | if i've got a 4:3 tv but i watch 16:9 stuff letterboxed, is it possible for mythtv to recognise when something is actually being broadcast as 4:3 (so black bars at the sides as well as top/bottom) and fill the screen instead? |
| [03:34:37] | xris: | or a now-defunct mythbackend thread is holding onto the card |
| [03:34:41] | confuzed_: | kdubya, yeah... but if I can interrupt the recording through some external method, mythtv would just terminate the recording |
| [03:34:59] | xris: | Agrajag-: yeah.. configure an aspect ratio in your xorg.conf |
| [03:35:00] | confuzed_: | xris, know how I might determine and kill that thread |
| [03:35:19] | xris: | confuzed_: if it's defunct/zombie, probably not much other than a reboot |
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| [03:35:35] | Agrajag-: | xris: what i mean is that most stuff broadcast is in 16:9, but every now and then a show is broadcast (on the same channel) in 4:3 |
| [03:35:50] | xris: | Agrajag-: yeah... |
| [03:36:11] | xris: | and mythtv can detect that based on the aspect embedded in the video stream.. and if it knows what aspect your monitor is, it will display it properly |
| [03:36:17] | Agrajag-: | ah right ok i get it |
| [03:36:22] | Agrajag-: | ta |
| [03:36:46] | Agrajag-: | i thought it knew that, since i specified 4:3 in the appearance settings (xinerama) |
| [03:37:48] | confuzed_: | xris, I can restart mythtv-backend and all goes back to normal... but that's a pain cuz I have to wait for other recordings to finish... and I usually notice this when I check to see what is going to record on a given night |
| [03:37:54] | RyeBrye: | Anyone see this before: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071209 . . . opticon.html <-- Snapstream has a 4u box they charge $13k for that basically does nothing but record 10 channels and index the CC feeds |
| [03:38:04] | xris: | Agrajag-: what I remember involves something in the "display" section... i can't remember exactly what, though |
| [03:38:36] | kdubya: | yeah i read that RyeBrye, they have to be making a killing on each one of those |
| [03:38:39] | kdubya: | if anyone is buying it |
| [03:38:45] | xris: | Agrajag-: DisplaySize... goes inside of the "Monitor" section. |
| [03:38:53] | RyeBrye: | It's all about marketing :) |
| [03:38:54] | Agrajag-: | cheers |
| [03:39:02] | xris: | just set it to the cm dimensions of your screen |
| [03:39:13] | iamlindoro: | What a *horrible* metaphor, too |
| [03:39:21] | iamlindoro: | TV's Panopticon? Sheesh. |
| [03:39:31] | RyeBrye: | Anyone ever tinker around with indexing CC feeds for myth? It's an interesting idea – but given the general shittiness of CC data I don't think it would be that useful |
| [03:39:40] | xris: | confuzed_: not much to do.. sounds like a bug in mythtv at that point. |
| [03:39:43] | iamlindoro: | Just because the root words mean what you think they mean does NOT mean they mean that when you put them together |
| [03:39:53] | RyeBrye: | : ) |
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| [03:41:15] | RyeBrye: | It's a prison for TV :) |
| [03:41:30] | ** iamlindoro does the math... 5x pvr-500s.... add some disk space and myth tv, crontab -e and grep me some cc data.... ** | |
| [03:41:32] | iamlindoro: | Profit! |
| [03:41:40] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [03:41:52] | RyeBrye: | You've got to to put it in a 4u box, and make it noisy as hell though |
| [03:41:52] | confuzed_: | xris, not so much a bug, but a failure to check that a frontend is accessing the recording. |
| [03:42:19] | confuzed_: | xris, I think the SVN versions address the issue |
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| [03:43:02] | iamlindoro: | And account for "fuzzy" spelling of fat chicks typing out the cc in real time, "I'm telling you, Montle.... Montelll... Montel... Tha's mah Babyees dadday!" |
| [03:43:17] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, no joke |
| [03:43:22] | RyeBrye: | The CC data is awful |
| [03:43:33] | xris: | confuzed_: sounds like you already know your answer, then |
| [03:43:35] | RyeBrye: | On live stuff, it's very late |
| [03:43:45] | RyeBrye: | and many shows have no CC data at all... |
| [03:44:23] | RyeBrye: | Although it would be cool to have it be able to record certain segments of news or something... |
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| [03:44:56] | RyeBrye: | Have stuff like "Hockeyflag" or "Baskteballflag" to ahve it skip over sections of sports that you don't like in SPortscenter :) |
| [03:45:14] | larzen: | question: can I install myth w/o X ? |
| [03:45:17] | confuzed_: | xris, well I have asked before and dev said that there was something done to allow you to terminate recordings from the info screen? But I know there must be a way to interrupt IVTV on using ivtvctl or something |
| [03:45:25] | iamlindoro: | Heck, or even to monitor the channels for your adverts to make sure they come on when you pay for them |
| [03:45:32] | xris: | confuzed_: no clue |
| [03:45:37] | xris: | you could just upgrade to svn trunk |
| [03:46:09] | iamlindoro: | larzen, you need X to run mythtv-setup, so no |
| [03:46:26] | iamlindoro: | after that, you could remove X and run at least the backend... but not frontend. |
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| [04:04:26] | josiahw_: | do I want to use NTSC as my TV format if im in America with a HDTV using HDMI? |
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| [04:09:55] | RyeBrye: | ? |
| [04:10:15] | RyeBrye: | josiahw_ – what setting are you referring to? |
| [04:10:20] | trimeta: | Sometimes my mythtv loses signal; ivtv produces the following error: |
| [04:10:20] | trimeta: | ivtv0: DMA TIMEOUT 00000001 0 |
| [04:10:28] | trimeta: | When this happens, a reboot is necessary to get signal back. |
| [04:11:33] | trimeta: | Any thoughts? Google suggests that this problem should have gone away a few kernel versions ago; I'm using the gutsy sources. |
| [04:11:33] | RyeBrye: | That sucks |
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| [04:13:41] | cesman: | trimeta: ivtv just went into the kernel w/ 2.6.22 |
| [04:13:50] | cesman: | trimeta: perhaps another PCI slot? |
| [04:14:17] | trimeta: | cesman: I could try that; the other PCI slot is where the wireless card is, and it's been having lots of IRQ errors, so I'm not sure that's a good idea, though. |
| [04:14:29] | josiahw_: | RyeBrye: nevermind i figured it out... i was in the mythtv setup.. I had to choose atsc |
| [04:14:46] | trimeta: | (in particular, its IRQ has been conflicting with the firewire, sometimes being disabled on boot.) |
| [04:15:28] | trimeta: | cesman: I'm using Ubuntu's 2.6.22-14-generic kernel; would upgrading to 2.6.23 help in some way? |
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| [04:16:50] | clever: | trimeta: the irq you get is related to which slot you put a card in |
| [04:16:58] | clever: | each pci slot gets 4 irq lines |
| [04:17:23] | clever: | slot1 irqa is shared with slot2 irqb and slot3 irq c and slot4 irqd |
| [04:17:33] | trimeta: | clever: That doesn't bode well for swapping them, then; I probably need the capture card more than the wireless, since I only need network when I update the database. |
| [04:17:50] | trimeta: | Also, this mini-ITX board only has two PCI; it also has one PCI-E x1 and one PCI-E x16. |
| [04:17:55] | clever: | if you move the card 1 slot youll probly shift it up/down one irq |
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| [04:18:11] | cesman: | trimeta: if you want the latest ivtv drivers, just get the "tip" from linuxtv.org |
| [04:18:25] | cesman: | make && make install |
| [04:18:29] | clever: | you could just write down the irq from lspci and swap and repeat |
| [04:18:32] | trimeta: | Also, someone on the Ubuntu forum mentioned disabling VBI...would that be a good idea? |
| [04:18:42] | clever: | also some drivers can share irq and wont have a problem being on the same number |
| [04:18:57] | clever: | vbi is used for closed captioning and a few other minor things |
| [04:19:15] | cesman: | josiahw_: the tv format you are referring to has to do with the tuner and not the final output device |
| [04:19:29] | trimeta: | clever: Is VBI known for causing problems with ivtv? |
| [04:19:33] | clever: | . |
| [04:19:37] | clever: | dont know |
| [04:19:43] | clever: | im stuck with bttv here |
| [04:19:49] | trimeta: | Fair enough. |
| [04:19:59] | josiahw_: | cesman: ah... im using a appletv with hdmi for my frontend |
| [04:20:27] | icemario: | hey, I try to watch TV but mythtv frontend says: MythTV is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected. If you want to watch an in-progress recording, select one from the playback menu. If you want to watch live tv, cancel one of the in-progress recordings from the delete menu. I have composite set as input, but I can't see my Wii screen... |
| [04:21:01] | icemario: | I don't want channels, I want to use composite |
| [04:21:07] | jams: | josiahw_- running linux or the mac binary? |
| [04:22:29] | icemario: | it says no channels.conf found |
| [04:22:44] | icemario: | but I don't want channels, I want to play video games through composite in |
| [04:23:25] | josiahw_: | jams: running mythbuntu as the backend and the frontend will be the mac binary on the appletv |
| [04:23:33] | clever: | trying to view a game thru mythtv's 'livetv'? |
| [04:23:53] | icemario: | yes |
| [04:23:54] | jams: | josiahw_- thx |
| [04:23:58] | icemario: | I'm running mythbuntu |
| [04:24:03] | kdubya: | forget it |
| [04:24:05] | clever: | the 'live' tv will have several seconds of delay |
| [04:24:13] | Agrajag-: | icemario: you realise it's going to record and delay it a couple of seconds |
| [04:24:13] | kdubya: | well not several seconds |
| [04:24:19] | clever: | more if you pause or rewind it |
| [04:24:30] | icemario: | how do I turn off recording? |
| [04:24:37] | kdubya: | they do make multiple inputs on TVs for a reason |
| [04:24:39] | kdubya: | icemario, you cant |
| [04:24:40] | Agrajag-: | you can't, mythtv records. |
| [04:24:45] | icemario: | :( |
| [04:24:57] | icemario: | what about kaffiene |
| [04:25:04] | icemario: | can I get composite through that? |
| [04:25:08] | Agrajag-: | yeah, or tvtime |
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| [04:25:32] | clever: | you could use a custom menu item to fireup another live tv viewer but that will have some delays depending on the card |
| [04:25:32] | clever: | and it may cause problems recording |
| [04:25:44] | clever: | or you could just switch to another input on the tv |
| [04:25:51] | clever: | my tv has 3.5 inputs |
| [04:26:11] | clever: | (input 2 has composite and component as seperate items but they share an audio in) |
| [04:27:04] | clever: | and then theres the plain rca aud/vid switch box |
| [04:27:05] | icemario: | argh its totally screwwed |
| [04:27:12] | clever: | 4 sets of aud/vid go in |
| [04:27:15] | clever: | 1 set comes out |
| [04:27:20] | clever: | 4 buttoms on the front |
| [04:27:56] | clever: | so software to install |
| [04:28:00] | clever: | no firmware to crash:P |
| [04:28:18] | icemario: | does that work with DVI? |
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| [04:28:52] | clever: | the one i have is for composite vid but you may be able to find a dvi one |
| [04:28:56] | kdubya: | icemario, you can get an HDMI switch that you can control with your remote for $30 at monoprice |
| [04:29:02] | clever: | or you could just swap out dvi cables when you need to |
| [04:29:18] | icemario: | I have a wii |
| [04:29:31] | clever: | and i have several KVM's for switching VGA |
| [04:29:33] | icemario: | so that outputs some digital thing |
| [04:29:36] | kdubya: | then why on earth were you asking about dvi? |
| [04:29:37] | icemario: | edtv |
| [04:29:46] | kdubya: | wii cannot output digital |
| [04:29:48] | clever: | you could posibly get a dvi KVM for a pc and just use it on a dvi tv |
| [04:30:11] | icemario: | no point in mixing wii with dvd |
| [04:30:20] | icemario: | dvi |
| [04:30:40] | clever: | something more fun might be a pip/switcher box |
| [04:30:47] | icemario: | RCA -> Dsub |
| [04:30:53] | clever: | but i have no idea what inputs they may accept |
| [04:30:55] | icemario: | I have 2 ports on my monitor |
| [04:30:59] | icemario: | DVI and Dsub |
| [04:31:12] | icemario: | I can just get a converter for the wii to connect to dsub |
| [04:31:22] | icemario: | RCA->D-Sub |
| [04:31:28] | icemario: | right? |
| [04:32:23] | clever: | most of my monitors only take vga |
| [04:32:23] | clever: | some take dvi/vga |
| [04:32:23] | clever: | one i think takes component/vga |
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| [04:32:50] | kdubya: | icemario, they actually make dsub cables for the wii |
| [04:32:55] | icemario: | My one only takes DVI/D-sub |
| [04:33:10] | icemario: | official ones |
| [04:33:10] | icemario: | ? |
| [04:33:37] | kdubya: | no official ones |
| [04:33:45] | kdubya: | there are rumors that there will be one out soon though |
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| [04:33:49] | icemario: | k |
| [04:34:19] | clever: | one i think takes component/vga |
| [04:34:21] | clever: | oops |
| [04:34:28] | icemario: | so I can get a RCA yellow to D-Sub right? |
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| [04:35:30] | icemario: | do they work well? |
| [04:35:32] | kdubya: | http://www.vdigi.com/ |
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| [04:35:58] | usererro1: | sadly, i am back. |
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| [04:36:08] | kdubya: | good lord it costs $40 |
| [04:36:17] | usererro1: | Does anyone know what to do when the front end starts and all you have is the blue background??? |
| [04:36:24] | usererro1: | how do i re-apply the default theme |
| [04:36:31] | usererro1: | apparently the theme i picked has something screwy with it. |
| [04:36:39] | usererro1: | since i cna't see the menues |
| [04:36:49] | kdubya: | usererro1, |
| [04:36:52] | usererro1: | is there a backdoor way to change the default front end theme? |
| [04:37:06] | kdubya: | mythfrontend -O theme=GANT |
| [04:37:16] | kdubya: | -O |
| [04:37:24] | kdubya: | i think that should do it |
| [04:37:37] | usererro1: | damn same thing@! |
| [04:37:42] | kdubya: | then you can go into the setup and change it permenantly |
| [04:37:46] | usererro1: | still just the blue background, but no text! |
| [04:37:51] | kdubya: | heh |
| [04:37:58] | kdubya: | then it is wrong |
| [04:38:03] | kdubya: | GANT may not be correct |
| [04:38:06] | usererro1: | if i hit esc i can get the "do you want to exit" |
| [04:38:09] | kdubya: | try one of the other themes |
| [04:38:16] | usererro1: | ok |
| [04:38:17] | clever: | g.a.n.t i think |
| [04:38:21] | kdubya: | yeah |
| [04:38:38] | clever: | dangit |
| [04:38:44] | clever: | everything is locking up left and right |
| [04:38:54] | clever: | pidof mythbackend wont ctrl+c |
| [04:39:10] | clever: | mythwelcome wont |
| [04:39:10] | kdubya: | or you could study the menu layout, and figure out the exact series of keystrokes needed to change the theme |
| [04:39:11] | kdubya: | heh |
| [04:39:12] | clever: | mysql is stuck sorting 3 querys to the job queue |
| [04:39:18] | clever: | lol |
| [04:39:25] | icemario: | what's better for the Wii, Component, Composite or S-Video output — apparently I can use 480p or 576i |
| [04:39:43] | usererro1: | ok i'll try it. |
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| [04:39:56] | Dr_willis: | Wouldent the quality be Component, svideo, composite in order of best quality. |
| [04:39:59] | usererro1: | bah! i can't even get to the backend config does the same blue screen background. |
| [04:40:24] | kdubya: | usererro1, if that fronent command is working right you should see no blue |
| [04:40:27] | kdubya: | because gant is grey |
| [04:40:30] | usererro1: | dear god, what did i do |
| [04:40:34] | usererro1: | lol |
| [04:40:37] | kdubya: | haha |
| [04:40:51] | usererro1: | |
| [04:40:53] | usererro1: | hmm |
| [04:40:57] | kdubya: | |
| [04:41:16] | usererro1: | i see a TON of "QGLContext cannot make invalid context current" |
| [04:41:19] | usererro1: | time for google. |
| [04:41:36] | clever: | reset the painting engine |
| [04:41:44] | clever: | to not use gl |
| [04:42:26] | kdubya: | which is something like |
| [04:42:36] | kdubya: | mythfronting -O painter=qt |
| [04:42:39] | clever: | mythfrontend --help |
| [04:42:46] | clever: | --reset i think |
| [04:42:58] | kdubya: | oh right you can change that one without -O |
| [04:43:09] | usererro1: | kk |
| [04:43:37] | clever: | damnit |
| [04:43:38] | clever: | nfs locked up |
| [04:43:44] | clever: | now everything is falling to peices |
| [04:44:00] | kdubya: | fun isnt it |
| [04:44:03] | usererro1: | score |
| [04:44:09] | usererro1: | mythfrontend --reset |
| [04:44:11] | usererro1: | that worked |
| [04:44:11] | clever: | and my mysql server is accessing data over nfs |
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| [04:44:32] | clever: | something just came to life |
| [04:44:43] | clever: | restarting the nfsd fixed most of it |
| [04:44:48] | clever: | except all the things i killed:P |
| [04:45:12] | usererro1: | i think the "Menu Theme" option is what killed me. |
| [04:45:17] | usererro1: | i won't touch that from now on. |
| [04:45:17] | usererro1: | ha |
| [04:45:24] | clever: | i think it was the painting engine |
| [04:45:32] | clever: | try turning it back to gl and see if it dies again |
| [04:47:34] | usererro1: | eh |
| [04:47:37] | usererro1: | do i really want to do that? |
| [04:47:51] | clever: | to confirm what the problem was so you avoid the right thing |
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| [04:47:56] | clever: | you can allways --reset it again |
| [04:47:57] | icemario: | If I use Component for my wii, how do i get sound??? |
| [04:48:06] | icemario: | all three cables are component! |
| [04:48:17] | clever: | 2 more rca cables for left/right |
| [04:48:20] | usererro1: | openGL works! |
| [04:48:20] | clever: | or spdif digital |
| [04:48:40] | icemario: | wii has multiout, same cables for S vid, compon, compos |
| [04:48:41] | usererro1: | oh no it does not |
| [04:48:46] | icemario: | set it software |
| [04:48:48] | usererro1: | when you exit myth and go back in |
| [04:48:52] | usererro1: | then it dies :) |
| [04:48:55] | usererro1: | or forgets how to paint |
| [04:48:58] | icemario: | so there are only 3 cables |
| [04:49:04] | clever: | usererro1: so now you know what to avoid:) |
| [04:49:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | icemario: What color are the 3 cables? |
| [04:50:12] | usererro1: | right-o! |
| [04:50:13] | usererro1: | phew |
| [04:50:14] | usererro1: | ok |
| [04:50:39] | usererro1: | now back to copying all my crap. I had to get a bigger hard drive. 500GB may hold me over while i continue testing mythtv for my needs. |
| [04:50:40] | icemario: | Yellow, red and white |
| [04:50:49] | usererro1: | how much HD space do you folks have? |
| [04:50:50] | icemario: | maybe you need different cables actually |
| [04:51:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | icemario: If they're Yellow, Red & White, then that's a COMPOSITE cable... Yellow is composite video, Red is Right, White is Left. |
| [04:51:08] | kdubya: | i have 300 gigs |
| [04:51:10] | icemario: | I read on wikipedia something wrong I think |
| [04:51:12] | clever: | usererro1: 150gig total on my myth lv |
| [04:51:13] | kdubya: | but i do not hoard crap |
| [04:51:26] | ** J-e-f-f-A has > 1tb... ;-) ** | |
| [04:51:31] | usererro1: | i must save too much |
| [04:51:32] | usererro1: | haha |
| [04:51:45] | clever: | i have a 160gig drive stuck in windows atm full of ntfs data |
| [04:51:46] | icemario: | is S-Video better than Component? |
| [04:51:46] | usererro1: | i can only fit 1 HD in this dell that i 'borrowed' from work |
| [04:51:53] | usererro1: | its one of those slim cases |
| [04:51:53] | clever: | which i plan to merge into lvm once i get it empty |
| [04:52:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | icemario: No, but it's better than composite. |
| [04:52:02] | usererro1: | what's lvm? |
| [04:52:07] | icemario: | oh |
| [04:52:11] | clever: | lvm is like raid |
| [04:52:12] | icemario: | cool |
| [04:52:15] | usererro1: | ah |
| [04:52:16] | clever: | but i find it more flexible |
| [04:52:29] | icemario: | are there official component cables for wii? |
| [04:52:36] | kdubya: | icemario, yes |
| [04:52:43] | kdubya: | but i wouldnt waste my money on them |
| [04:52:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | lvm is like raid1 – no redundancy, just one big 'logical' drive. |
| [04:53:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | (or is that raid 0... humm) |
| [04:53:05] | clever: | but you can break the group into multiple logical volumes |
| [04:53:07] | icemario: | but if I get a combiner to D-Sub, is it worse than composite -> d-sub |
| [04:53:25] | clever: | and resize them all you want without care for how much free space is after the volume |
| [04:53:46] | kdubya: | component to dsub is better than composite to dsub |
| [04:53:55] | icemario: | ok |
| [04:54:08] | kdubya: | http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2 |
| [04:54:12] | icemario: | but I thought the point of component was to keep the cables separated |
| [04:54:17] | kdubya: | wii component cables |
| [04:54:19] | kdubya: | 6 bucks |
| [04:54:30] | clever: | Dec 10 22:50:50 theP4 nfsd[15993]: non-standard errno: 75 (Value too large for defined data type) |
| [04:54:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | icemario: I'm not sure what you mean by 'combiner' — There are Video-to-VGA adapters out there (called video scalers), but expect to pay at least $90 for a decent one. I use a Viewsonic in my living room. |
| [04:55:04] | icemario: | hmm maybe I should buy a component monitor |
| [04:55:08] | icemario: | component + dvi |
| [04:55:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | icemario: And the proper component-out cable for your wii... should have Red, Green, Blue (component video) + Red & White (audio) |
| [04:57:00] | kdubya: | you can convert component to dsub with just an adapter |
| [04:57:03] | kdubya: | the signal is the same |
| [04:57:14] | icemario: | ok |
| [04:57:16] | clever: | ive looked at a vga test box |
| [04:57:26] | clever: | and the page also explained the whole vga spec basicaly |
| [04:57:39] | clever: | 3 color levels and 2 sync pulses |
| [04:57:56] | clever: | and a reference gnd for black |
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| [04:59:02] | icemario: | so you agree with kdubya? |
| [04:59:15] | icemario: | clever: |
| [04:59:21] | clever: | but i dont know the format for component so i cant compare them |
| [04:59:45] | clever: | sometimes the sync is on green |
| [04:59:54] | clever: | back from the days of a green only screen |
| [05:00:17] | clever: | you could probly feed that green+sync into a component display and it work without the other colors |
| [05:01:39] | clever: | arg |
| [05:01:45] | clever: | mythvideo index the linux source! |
| [05:01:55] | clever: | 500k extra entrys:P |
| [05:02:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | component != RGB ... So unless the display device detects it's a component video signal and not an RGB signal, the colors will be WAY off... |
| [05:02:20] | clever: | now try stating every one of them over nfs while its lagged down by commflag over wifi |
| [05:02:45] | clever: | vga is 3 seperate colors(on there own pins) i beleive |
| [05:03:00] | clever: | but is component rgb or yuv?... |
| [05:03:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: Yes, VGA is Red, Green and Blue colors on seperate signals (pins) |
| [05:03:27] | clever: | yeah |
| [05:03:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | Component is a not Red, Green Blue. (Although that's what the cabels are colored, they are not Red, Green and Blue signals) |
| [05:04:11] | clever: | ah |
| [05:04:32] | clever: | so if you just wire the pins to it you wont get it right enless the monitor is smart enough to detect&change |
| [05:05:12] | usererro1: | or if you are using fglrx you dont get blue and red correctly so everyone has BLUE skin!! |
| [05:05:46] | clever: | fglrx refuses to work |
| [05:05:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah. I'm not sure if anything except video projectors are setup to accept component input on the VGA connector... There may be monitors that do accept it... I'm not sure about that though. |
| [05:05:56] | clever: | and the r128 driver in tvout is white washed |
| [05:06:17] | kdubya: | J-e-f-f-A, how is there a wii VGA cable? |
| [05:06:21] | clever: | and the plug im not shure what it is(lookslike svid but doesnt fit) and uses a cable that came with the laptops |
| [05:06:28] | clever: | which gives off composite |
| [05:06:29] | kdubya: | why would that work if the colors are complete different |
| [05:06:48] | kdubya: | you are right they are different, i dont understand how that damn cable works |
| [05:07:18] | clever: | could be a curciut in the plug to change it |
| [05:07:24] | clever: | while drawing power |
| [05:07:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | kdubya: If there is, it's signalling the wii to generate RGB instead of Component (YCbCr) |
| [05:07:36] | clever: | that too |
| [05:07:50] | kdubya: | maybe |
| [05:08:19] | ** clever goes off to sleep after finaly getting mythvideo to cooperate ** | |
| [05:08:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | icemario: Take a look at wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_video |
| [05:08:35] | clever: | fixed it by denying mythtv access to the massive non video folders |
| [05:09:48] | ** J-e-f-f-A Yikes it's late! I've gotta crash... ttyl guys... ** | |
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| [05:31:05] | mindframe-: | anyone know how to force 1366x768 resolution on an olevia lt32hve? |
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| [05:32:12] | kdubya: | in all likelihood you dont |
| [05:32:26] | kdubya: | unless it has a VGA port |
| [05:32:30] | mindframe-: | it won't detect it's max resolution :/ |
| [05:32:40] | mindframe-: | im using the dvi |
| [05:32:47] | kdubya: | yeah |
| [05:32:54] | cesman: | mindframe-: I'd say the answer depends on your video card |
| [05:32:54] | kdubya: | i think you are most likely SOL |
| [05:33:06] | mindframe-: | cesman, nvidia 7050pV |
| [05:33:12] | kdubya: | a lot more video cards support that resolution than do TVs |
| [05:34:17] | cesman: | mindframe-: http://pastebin.ca/811745 |
| [05:34:49] | cesman: | mindframe-: I had to add those lines to get 1366x768 when using newer nvidia drivers |
| [05:35:16] | mindframe-: | thanks. and do i still need the modeline? |
| [05:35:49] | cesman: | you're welcome, as far as I'm aware yes |
| [05:37:08] | mindframe-: | it only accepts multiples of 8 right? |
| [05:37:15] | mindframe-: | did you do 1360 or 1368 |
| [05:37:27] | cesman: | no, I did not |
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| [05:42:45] | intruz: | anyone around |
| [05:42:48] | kdubya: | no |
| [05:42:59] | intruz: | heh |
| [05:43:29] | intruz: | i was looking for some suggestions on audio cards |
| [05:43:53] | kdubya: | explain what you want it to do |
| [05:44:01] | kdubya: | and someone will probably get you a link and tell you to read it |
| [05:44:42] | intruz: | well mainly i was looking for something i could do like 7.1 with |
| [05:44:45] | intruz: | at least 5.1 |
| [05:44:57] | intruz: | with optical out so i can send it straight to a receiver |
| [05:45:22] | mindframe-: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829118105 |
| [05:45:28] | mindframe-: | oh |
| [05:45:30] | mindframe-: | no 7l1 |
| [05:45:32] | mindframe-: | 7.1 |
| [05:45:53] | intruz: | well i dont have enough speakers for 7.1 |
| [05:45:55] | intruz: | currently |
| [05:46:07] | intruz: | but the possibility to upgrade would be nice |
| [05:46:15] | intruz: | if it isnt too much more of a hassle |
| [05:46:27] | mindframe-: | shrug |
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| [05:46:39] | intruz: | its turtlebeach supported well in linux |
| [05:47:00] | kdubya: | thats why he refered you to it |
| [05:47:13] | intruz: | well like in general |
| [05:47:14] | intruz: | i meant |
| [05:47:38] | intruz: | i was going to check out some of there other models |
| [05:47:39] | echosyp: | intruz |
| [05:47:42] | intruz: | sup |
| [05:47:42] | echosyp: | what are you doing |
| [05:47:54] | intruz: | asking some questions |
| [05:47:55] | cesman: | intruz: http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?cPath=21_37&products_id=65 |
| [05:48:25] | intruz: | on audio |
| [05:49:04] | intruz: | so if i was using that card |
| [05:49:10] | intruz: | with like a highdef movie |
| [05:49:18] | intruz: | could i use that optical out |
| [05:49:26] | intruz: | instead of running hdmi |
| [05:49:34] | intruz: | to the receiver |
| [05:49:46] | echosyp: | try and find out |
| [05:49:50] | cesman: | lol |
| [05:50:17] | echosyp: | me 1 |
| [05:50:17] | iamlindoro: | a) The only 7.1 card I know working in 7.1 mode in linux is that chaintech... b) it only does 7.1 analog, not digital. c) If you're watching a movie that supports 7.1 channel audio... mplayer and ffmpeg don't support the audio formats fully yet. |
| [05:50:19] | echosyp: | intruz 0 |
| [05:50:53] | iamlindoro: | so you'll only get 2 channel out of mlp/truehd and 5 channel from E-AC3... and even then, only by compiling your own mplayer and patching the shit out of it |
| [05:51:10] | iamlindoro: | so, in conclusion, get a decent 5.1 card and use the optical out, because there's no point in getting a 7.1 card. |
| [05:51:52] | intruz: | hmm ok |
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| [05:52:09] | intruz: | i was probably going to use this mostly for audio |
| [05:52:16] | intruz: | for like listening to music |
| [05:52:23] | intruz: | so i guess 5.1 will be alright then |
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| [05:53:07] | intruz: | someone was telling me if you have powered speakers you can get rid of the receiver |
| [05:53:21] | intruz: | but how is the sound quality with that |
| [05:53:48] | iamlindoro: | Do some reading on Hi-Fi systems... your receiver does a LOT more for you than just power your speakers |
| [05:54:14] | intruz: | im saying like |
| [05:54:19] | iamlindoro: | Namely, as is relevant to mythtv, it interprets AC-3 and Dolby Digital data from a digital signal |
| [05:54:41] | intruz: | if you have a sound card |
| [05:54:45] | iamlindoro: | As well as producing sound quality far better than any powered speakers |
| [05:54:53] | intruz: | ok |
| [05:55:01] | intruz: | then i wont go that way |
| [05:55:24] | intruz: | so if rip all my cd's to flac |
| [05:55:30] | intruz: | then use optical out |
| [05:55:43] | intruz: | it would be just like if i was using a cd player quality wise |
| [05:55:50] | iamlindoro: | Yes, basically |
| [05:55:59] | intruz: | ok sweet |
| [05:56:07] | intruz: | getting rid of cd's will be awesome |
| [05:56:45] | intruz: | so do you think a 7.1 setup is worth it? |
| [05:56:56] | iamlindoro: | Thought we already covered that |
| [05:56:58] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [05:57:07] | cesman: | iamlindoro, ever find a host for your debs? |
| [05:57:10] | iamlindoro: | especially if all you want to do is listen to music |
| [05:57:19] | iamlindoro: | cesman, I just put 'em up on my .mac |
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| [05:58:34] | intruz: | well maybe ill get a receiver that supports 7.1 so i can upgrade for movies when its all supported in mythtv |
| [05:59:11] | ** cesman will get a digital receiver one day... ** | |
| [05:59:39] | iamlindoro: | http://idisk.mac.com/r.mcnamara-Public?view=web if you want 'em |
| [06:00:21] | iamlindoro: | Says amd64, but compiled and working on a Core 2 Quad |
| [06:00:23] | cesman: | iamlindoro, I'm thinking about compiling mplayer w/ the patches for my next release of KnoppMyth... |
| [06:00:38] | iamlindoro: | cesman, here, let me get you the patch |
| [06:00:55] | iamlindoro: | http://kurtnoise.free.fr/index.php?dir=misc/ |
| [06:01:08] | cesman: | can you believe the crap... |
| [06:01:19] | cesman: | won't let me in with konqueror |
| [06:01:34] | iamlindoro: | patch file shows with ffmpeg revision, but last I checked about 11/15/07 if you take the same patch, remove the section that patched ffmpeg.c, it will run again mplayer svn |
| [06:01:51] | iamlindoro: | er run against |
| [06:02:42] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg works *great* with the patches, mplayer works *ok*. mplayer needs the demuxer and aid explicitly stated in the command line... but it works well when it is |
| [06:02:52] | cesman: | grrrr.... <rant>.mac is .crap! frelling safari is based on khtml</rant> |
| [06:02:59] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [06:03:19] | iamlindoro: | well, if you're gonna compile it, the patch is probably worth more to you than my .debs anyway... I am happy to send them to you in another way if you like |
| [06:04:36] | intruz: | iamlindoro what speakers do you like |
| [06:04:52] | iamlindoro: | oh, one other thing, for mplayer to work right with these patches, you need a ~/.mplayer/codecs.conf that defines the E-AC3 and mlp codecs... I can get you one of those too if you like. |
| [06:04:53] | intruz: | like brandwise |
| [06:05:30] | iamlindoro: | intruz, mine are all klipsch... not perfect, but decent for moderate price |
| [06:05:59] | intruz: | im assuming you are using a receiver |
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| [06:07:14] | iamlindoro: | Yep, Sony STR-DG800... It's nothing special |
| [06:07:30] | intruz: | well i have this older nad |
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| [06:07:45] | iamlindoro: | It's probably worth about 1/10th my speakers, hahah... But if you're going to put money anywhere, put it in the speakers |
| [06:07:54] | intruz: | im thinking about just saving my money on the receiver and just dump it in speakers |
| [06:08:09] | intruz: | since everything isnt hd ready yet |
| [06:08:11] | intruz: | anyways |
| [06:08:37] | intruz: | http://www.saturdayaudio.com/picturepages/image_maple_sale.htm |
| [06:08:42] | intruz: | i was looking at those |
| [06:09:29] | intruz: | http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01490oh3.jpg |
| [06:09:31] | iamlindoro: | Well, depending on which.. the tower ones are probably nice... if you need to concentrate you money anywehre, it should be the center speaker... statistically 60% of your audio is coming out of there anyway |
| [06:09:34] | intruz: | thats what i have right now |
| [06:09:56] | intruz: | they are kind of old |
| [06:10:17] | intruz: | 2 of those was going to use those for fronts |
| [06:11:01] | iamlindoro: | I think my center was about $700, my fronts were about $450 for the pair, and my rear were $250ish of the pair |
| [06:11:12] | intruz: | nice |
| [06:11:23] | iamlindoro: | Just make sure you have enough power per channel coming out of your receiver to drive them to their full potential, or you'll lose dynamic range |
| [06:11:49] | intruz: | ill have to look at the stats of that nad |
| [06:12:01] | intruz: | the hdmi receivers are expensive |
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| [06:12:05] | intruz: | like the onkyo 705 |
| [06:12:11] | intruz: | like 699 |
| [06:12:22] | iamlindoro: | Well, my Sony does HDMI, it probably goes for about $300 now |
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| [06:12:40] | intruz: | so you could do 7.1 |
| [06:12:43] | intruz: | with that |
| [06:12:52] | iamlindoro: | Yes, although you don't need HDMI to do 7.1 |
| [06:12:59] | intruz: | right |
| [06:13:04] | jroysdon: | I'm trying to get a remote frontend working. I have a backend/frontend system that works just fine (installed with MythDora). It appears I cannot connect to the DB, but I believe I have everything set right... |
| [06:13:52] | jroysdon: | (I changed the Master IP in the Backend to the actual IP, I have that set in the frontend ~/.mythtv/mysqld.txt, and granted the permissions for the IP of this frontend, and turned off the firewall for now) |
| [06:14:11] | intruz: | iamlindoro what kind of sound card are you using |
| [06:14:29] | iamlindoro: | Onboard... since I'm doing optical out, one sound card is the same as the next |
| [06:14:35] | iamlindoro: | The receiver does all the processing |
| [06:15:16] | iamlindoro: | Just some random Intel HDA Chip |
| [06:15:28] | intruz: | so basically i want optical out and like 96k |
| [06:15:38] | iamlindoro: | Expensive creative sound cards are a scam unless you're playing video games |
| [06:16:08] | intruz: | my onboard doesnt have optical |
| [06:16:52] | iamlindoro: | So get any cheap Turtle Beach card with optical. It's no big deal, don't need to stress about it |
| [06:17:00] | intruz: | ok |
| [06:17:02] | intruz: | thanks |
| [06:17:04] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [06:18:17] | intruz: | are you satisfied with the klipsch |
| [06:18:35] | iamlindoro: | Yes, I'm satisfied |
| [06:18:38] | iamlindoro: | oh, one more thing |
| [06:18:43] | iamlindoro: | 96 Khz = useless |
| [06:19:01] | intruz: | even if you have sacd |
| [06:19:18] | intruz: | or dvd-audio rips |
| [06:19:39] | iamlindoro: | You need to sample at 2 x maximum human audio frequency to have what is called "perceptually lossless" audio... That's 44.1 Khz |
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| [06:19:59] | iamlindoro: | http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=40134 |
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| [06:20:26] | iamlindoro: | And lots of other good information at that forum |
| [06:20:52] | iamlindoro: | but 96 Khz audio (or 128,or whatever bullshit number they try to seel you next) is just a bs numbers game and all about selling you more crap |
| [06:20:56] | iamlindoro: | er sell you |
| [06:21:35] | intruz: | i see your point |
| [06:21:52] | intruz: | with my older speakers i probably wouldnt see the diff anyways |
| [06:21:58] | jroysdon: | Any tips for what I am missing with my frontend? I can use mysql client to connect to the backend database with no problems, using the same credentials and such that is in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [06:22:20] | iamlindoro: | Good info to be had by reading about Nyquist Theory... it'll explain why anything over 2 x 22000 Khz is imperceptible by human ears |
| [06:22:26] | iamlindoro: | and with that, I'll go to bed. Good night |
| [06:22:34] | intruz: | alright man |
| [06:22:35] | intruz: | thanks |
| [06:22:41] | intruz: | you have been very helpful |
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| [06:29:58] | jroysdon: | Anyone helpful on troubleshooting mythfrontend? |
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| [06:41:45] | jhulst: | jroysdon: Can you connect outside of mythtv? With mysql? |
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| [06:56:13] | gig: | how can i transcode a recorded file into a smaller file |
| [06:56:25] | mindframe-: | is there a way to get the streamzap remote to 'repeat' commands like vol+ / vol- ? |
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| [07:20:49] | jroysdon: | jhulst – yes, using mysql --host |
| [07:21:52] | jroysdon: | I think this is the main problem: |
| [07:21:53] | jroysdon: | QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded |
| [07:21:53] | jroysdon: | QSqlDatabase: available drivers: (null) |
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| [07:27:05] | jroysdon: | found it. I didn't have qt-MySQL |
| [07:27:14] | jroysdon: | Stupid upper-case RPMs |
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| [07:29:28] | jroysdon: | Could not find theme: G.A.N.T. – but I see it in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/G.A.N.T. |
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| [07:40:00] | mindframe-: | how can i install additional themes like the ones shown @ http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Themes |
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| [07:47:45] | ServerSage: | mindframe: Extract them into the themes directory on your frontend. In gentoo (perhaps other distros) it's in /usr/share/mythtv/themes |
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| [08:01:01] | clever: | sometimes its /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/ |
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| [08:03:09] | fridge: | Hey, I am writing a script to re-encode DTV shows to a format suitable for a portable media player, is there a way to always get the output to fit 4/3 ratio? That is, if it is widescreen content, pan&scan, if it is 4/3 content, don't do anything? |
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| [08:05:09] | fridge: | more often than not, the ID_VIDEO_ASPECT header contains 0.000, so it can't be relied upon to determine the aspect of the source material |
| [08:08:26] | clever: | mencoder may be able to do it |
| [08:08:45] | clever: | you could also extract the height/width and devide to guess the aspect if its not set |
| [08:09:56] | jroysdon: | I had the bleeding-edge trunk themes... replaced with the stable and that fixed it. |
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| [09:46:57] | opentrinity: | hi...i have a problem...mythtv doesn't found dvd device (in debian is configured and works greatly) |
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| [10:05:06] | siXy: | opentrinity: in dvd settings what is the dvd device set to? |
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| [10:09:47] | chronographer: | Hello folks, I use Ubuntu, and i want to make my remote control's power button to start mythtv, when its not running, is this possible? I have mythtv run on my tv-out, display 0.1, so if it could trigger a command that would be great! |
| [10:10:08] | directhex|bsp: | yes, use irexec |
| [10:10:22] | chronographer: | a po |
| [10:10:34] | chronographer: | program? or in .lircrc ?? |
| [10:11:57] | chronographer: | ok i get it.. from the man page, is there a good howto you know of though? |
| [10:13:00] | justinh: | prog = irexec |
| [10:13:13] | justinh: | button = power (or whatever) .. yada yada |
| [10:14:28] | chronographer: | ok cheers, and thi line in sessions: irexec --daemon $HOME/.lircrc >> $HOME/irexec.log |
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| [10:17:13] | morpheus5: | morning folks, when I update the music database on a mythtv client, is that updating only the local client or does it update the server? |
| [10:17:38] | justinh: | what? |
| [10:18:01] | justinh: | if the paths to the music files are different on every system, then it'll only do the 'local' stuff |
| [10:18:04] | directhex|bsp: | every single setting in mythtv is stored in the central mysql database |
| [10:19:02] | morpheus5: | ahhh right, so if I image the drive then I could in theory just clone the drive to several machines and they should run??? |
| [10:19:24] | justinh: | WHAT?! |
| [10:20:11] | justinh: | just store all the music files somewhere central and share it over some kind of networked filesystem (e.g. NFS). then point all the frontends at the same path |
| [10:20:24] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, i think he means frontend replication |
| [10:20:40] | morpheus5: | right, I have a mythtv server, and ten clients, if I install on one machine, then clone it, will they all work the same? |
| [10:20:45] | directhex|bsp: | in which case, yes, but ensure you change the IP AND HOSTNAME of every machine. otherwise, pain will ensue |
| [10:20:56] | directhex|bsp: | don't forget about the hostname |
| [10:21:17] | justinh: | they won't all work the same if they have different hostnames |
| [10:21:44] | directhex|bsp: | they won't all work if they have the same hostnames |
| [10:21:44] | justinh: | you'd have to scan the music dir into the database for every hostname |
| [10:22:01] | justinh: | same for videos, same for photos |
| [10:22:06] | morpheus5: | couldn't that be done with a query? |
| [10:22:12] | justinh: | yes |
| [10:22:16] | morpheus5: | and just replicate the data?? |
| [10:22:18] | morpheus5: | ahh great |
| [10:23:11] | morpheus5: | I've got a dl380 G5 with 4Tb of storage and 4 dual tuner dvb cards, its for a distributed media system I'm working on |
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| [10:24:13] | justinh: | mythvideo is a daft case IMHO. you set a location for the videos _per_ frontend, but the database for all video items is common :-\ |
| [10:25:03] | justinh: | best policy throughout (I find) is to make all music, videos & pictures stored in one place then share that to all frontends & use the same path all over for videos, music & pictures |
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| [10:25:25] | justinh: | e.g. /myth/video on the backend, /myth/video on frontend1, frontend2 etc |
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| [10:25:49] | justinh: | ok so it's not a 'legal' filename but who believes in all that bollocks anyway? |
| [10:26:45] | directhex|bsp: | i use /data/MythTV |
| [10:29:48] | justinh: | not /var/something/foo/barr/indeterminate/for/no/apparent/reason ? ;) |
| [10:30:43] | morpheus5: | right, heres the next question, i've tried playing video from the mapped drive and its saying it cant play them, is there no native support for divx in gutsy, and if not whats my solution? |
| [10:32:07] | justinh: | ubuntu's builtin video player sucks |
| [10:32:16] | justinh: | get mplayer/xine/vlc |
| [10:32:35] | justinh: | ubuntu don't believe in ffmpeg, or something |
| [10:33:27] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, you can easily make the default player use ffmpeg for decoding |
| [10:33:30] | justinh: | divx is what they'd call a propriatary format, so they can't touch it |
| [10:33:42] | grokky: | Righto, anyone got a Sony Bravia XBR 46" LCD hooked up to their myth box? |
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| [10:33:59] | grokky: | Thinking of getting one and interested if anyone has one and how they go. |
| [10:34:19] | ** justinh writes 'mythtv' on a brown cardboard box & pokes a HDMI cable into it. nope. doesn't work with this TV either ** | |
| [10:34:20] | directhex|bsp: | install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, play anything ffmpeg can |
| [10:34:31] | justinh: | gah gstreamer |
| [10:34:45] | grokky: | BTW, PAL (in Aus), running DVI to HDMI off a 7300GS nvidia card (happy to upgrade) and an AMD X2 4600 system for HD |
| [10:35:02] | justinh: | upscaling pal to HD res eh? ouch |
| [10:35:06] | directhex|bsp: | the default player in ubuntu is totem. the default backend it uses is gstreamer – install totem-xine to switch to the xine backend instead |
| [10:35:42] | grokky: | only for SD content. The HD content is all 1080 I think (this is all DVB-T) |
| [10:36:11] | chronographer: | I like vlc, but i'm starting to think mplayer is better, oh and my new mythtv uses xine!! never used totem! |
| [10:36:22] | justinh: | totem sucks donkey balls |
| [10:36:48] | Dibblah: | justinh: Sheesh, why don't you say what you mean? |
| [10:37:00] | Dibblah: | None of this namby-pambyness. |
| [10:37:11] | justinh: | it looks awful. it plays FA out of the box |
| [10:37:39] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, actually, totem on the latest ubuntu release will tell you "i can't play this format, want a package that can?" |
| [10:37:47] | justinh: | that's nice |
| [10:38:31] | justinh: | so why bother including it in the first place? is it the vain hope that some day everybody will just use open source formats? |
| [10:38:44] | chronographer: | very nice. if you try to run a command... say ... "mpg321" and its not installed, it says something like "try sudo apt-get install mpg321" |
| [10:39:17] | chronographer: | If Ubuntu included proprietary codecs, it needs to pay to do so, which makes Ubuntu not free. |
| [10:39:41] | chronographer: | thats why you need to click a few buttons to install dvdcss, mp3, etc.. |
| [10:39:59] | directhex|bsp: | there's a 1-step package now |
| [10:40:05] | directhex|bsp: | ubuntu-restricted-extras |
| [10:40:08] | chronographer: | one click! |
| [10:40:14] | justinh: | yeah they witter on about 'free' but it's still not impossible to get the propriatary stuff which kind of makes it silly |
| [10:40:24] | chronographer: | its a legal thing |
| [10:40:27] | directhex|bsp: | installs assorted non-free but useful things, like the standard MS fonts, extra gstreamer codecs, sun java |
| [10:41:23] | chronographer: | is the Ubunut gutsy version of mythtv up to date? is there a repository with later version and if so is that unstable? |
| [10:41:43] | justinh: | there are allegedly weekly -fixes builds and builds of trunk |
| [10:41:56] | Dibblah: | justinh: As you know fine well it's just about sidestepping the legal burden ;) |
| [10:41:56] | directhex|bsp: | there are indeed |
| [10:41:58] | chronographer: | its a svn compile yourself thibng tho eh |
| [10:42:07] | directhex|bsp: | chronographer, not at all |
| [10:42:12] | justinh: | chronographer: no there are packages apparently |
| [10:42:15] | ** Dibblah accuses justinh of just enjoying a good argument. ** | |
| [10:42:21] | directhex|bsp: | http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [10:42:29] | chronographer: | i see! so do you lot use the weekly build? |
| [10:42:34] | justinh: | not that I think packages of trunk are the best idea anybody's ever had |
| [10:42:48] | Daviey: | chronographer: I host the uk. weekly builds – and i use them :) |
| [10:43:04] | directhex|bsp: | chronographer, WAF on something that changes (and potentially breaks) weekly is below threshhold |
| [10:43:11] | Dibblah: | chronographer: No, I use trunk – Updated well after janneg commits something, usually ;) |
| [10:43:37] | Dibblah: | Nigel is edging slowly onto that list too. |
| [10:43:46] | Daviey: | justinh: The were made for internal testing only – and thought we might aswell share them – although we make it pretty damn clear that no support is ofered with them, and they will break! |
| [10:43:58] | chronographer: | ok well I might jsut add that repository then! cheers! |
| [10:44:07] | Dibblah: | But it's all for good reasons, of course – ffmpeg merges are impossible to get right on the first pass. |
| [10:44:18] | Daviey: | infact, if you check launchpad for bugs raised against them, some of the devs pratically tell tell users to get fucked for asking for support |
| [10:44:23] | directhex|bsp: | Dibblah, but they're so succulent and tasty when they work! |
| [10:44:27] | directhex|bsp: | mmm... mpegs... |
| [10:44:28] | chronographer: | lol |
| [10:44:40] | ** Dibblah likes the new deinterlacers :) ** | |
| [10:44:59] | ** Dibblah now wants software scalers :( ** | |
| [10:45:02] | ** Daviey dislikes ATIO compatability ** | |
| [10:45:07] | chronographer: | i like the downscaling of HDtv to my PAL television! |
| [10:45:49] | Dibblah: | The nvidia on-card scaler is not so good. |
| [10:45:53] | chronographer: | (is that what you call it) I never had a digital tuneer b4 now, i Love pausing live tv! |
| [10:45:55] | Dibblah: | Neither is the i845 :( |
| [10:46:14] | Dibblah: | Sorry, GM950. |
| [10:46:43] | directhex|bsp: | GMA950 |
| [10:46:55] | Dibblah: | Bah. I knew I'd get it wrong. |
| [10:47:11] | directhex|bsp: | "graphics media accelerator" |
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| [10:47:46] | Dibblah: | justinh: How goes your fight to usurp your wonderful Via board? |
| [10:48:21] | justinh: | wonder how much cpu a full framerate bicubic resize of 576 to 1080 would take :P |
| [10:48:41] | justinh: | Dibblah: almost ready. netboots in about 40 secs |
| [10:48:47] | Dibblah: | Actually, it's not *too* bad using sse type stuff. |
| [10:49:00] | justinh: | only need test dvd playback now I think |
| [10:49:13] | Daviey: | justinh: mATX size board? |
| [10:49:14] | Dibblah: | That works OK for me. |
| [10:49:14] | justinh: | can't remember if I installed the evil libs or not |
| [10:49:30] | justinh: | Dibblah: fecknows. AOpen i945GMm-HL |
| [10:49:57] | Dibblah: | Just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it? :) |
| [10:50:02] | justinh: | need to do some stress testing on it once it's in the silverstone case |
| [10:50:30] | justinh: | no need for cpuburn or anything silly, just compile some stuff with -j3 a few times |
| [10:50:31] | Daviey: | justinh: no HDMI :( |
| [10:50:35] | directhex|bsp: | bicubic to 1080 ought to be okay |
| [10:50:41] | justinh: | Daviey: so what? |
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| [10:50:56] | Daviey: | justinh: Thats a must for me |
| [10:50:58] | directhex|bsp: | i'd prefer lanczos, given the choice |
| [10:51:03] | ServerSage: | Daviey: Why? |
| [10:51:05] | justinh: | oh you wasted money ona flat panel. I see |
| [10:51:13] | Daviey: | haha |
| [10:51:31] | Daviey: | ServerSage: Well if i don't use HDMI then i need analog audio |
| [10:51:33] | ** directhex|bsp has multiple HD sources; no regrets over owning a nice tv ** | |
| [10:51:34] | ServerSage: | justinh: I wouldn't call it "wasting money". :) |
| [10:51:39] | justinh: | I would |
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| [10:51:53] | ServerSage: | Daviey: Some call it a receiver. :) |
| [10:51:55] | justinh: | 99% of broadcast content in the UK is SDTV |
| [10:52:05] | directhex|bsp: | i don't watch much tv |
| [10:52:12] | directhex|bsp: | i spend a lot of time playing videogames |
| [10:52:24] | ServerSage: | justinh: Still not a waste to watch SDTV in big tv glory. :) |
| [10:52:41] | justinh: | hmm yes just look at the size of those artifacts :P yum |
| [10:52:55] | directhex|bsp: | some games are officially not worth playing without hd (as in the developers ahve said 'whoops, we didn't really test properly on sdtv, it doesn't really work right does it') |
| [10:53:05] | Daviey: | justinh: my CRT tv died, for 6+ months i used a 19" LCD monitor for TV in the lounge -> what would you have bought next? |
| [10:53:14] | ServerSage: | justinh: Digital cable looks good on mine. *shrug* |
| [10:53:21] | justinh: | I'm sadly not rich enough to be able to afford a console & £40 a pop on games |
| [10:53:46] | Daviey: | I really want a wii -> but can't justify it either |
| [10:53:53] | directhex|bsp: | fortunately, xbox 360 games are usually between 15–25 quid |
| [10:54:16] | ** ServerSage doesn't buy games, he rents them. ** | |
| [10:54:45] | justinh: | getting to the age where games just seem pointless now, esp waxing 1/6 of a month's salary on a ferkin console |
| [10:54:46] | ServerSage: | Daviey: There must be DVI/Stereo -> HDMI converters by now. |
| [10:54:57] | justinh: | ServerSage: there aren't any cheap ones |
| [10:55:18] | ServerSage: | justinh: $250 is 1/6 of a months salary? You in college? |
| [10:55:22] | ** directhex|bsp has a £400 av receiver which does lots of whizzy things ** | |
| [10:55:25] | mchou: | lolk |
| [10:55:32] | justinh: | ServerSage: it'd be simpler if the audio didn't have to be embedded in the stream |
| [10:55:46] | Daviey: | but tidier on the cable front |
| [10:55:50] | justinh: | ServerSage: $250 == £250, even with the stupid dollar being crippled |
| [10:55:57] | opentrinity: | siXy: where is the dvd settings? |
| [10:56:15] | ServerSage: | justinh: Figures. HDMI is all fine and dandy if you don't have to run sound to something seperate. |
| [10:56:37] | siXy: | subsection of media settings |
| [10:56:41] | justinh: | ServerSage: when I watch anything I always turn the TV speakers down anyway. amp on :) |
| [10:56:52] | ServerSage: | justinh: So what enclosure did you put your i945GM in? |
| [10:57:01] | Daviey: | I want a mobo that is AM2 socket, HDMI and _not_ ATI – reckon i'm getting much joy? :( |
| [10:57:02] | ServerSage: | justinh: Same here, only thing I use TV sound for is the Wii. |
| [10:57:14] | directhex|bsp: | Daviey, why am2? |
| [10:57:34] | chronographer: | for a AM2 processor (stupid!) |
| [10:57:39] | Daviey: | directhex|bsp: cause i already have a cpu from a HDMI+ATI mobo that is soon to get blended |
| [10:57:40] | mchou: | Daviey: only full atx for you! |
| [10:57:51] | justinh: | sack AMD :) |
| [10:57:53] | Dibblah: | Daviey: Stop that. |
| [10:57:58] | Daviey: | Dibblah: nope |
| [10:58:07] | Dibblah: | Blending is not "cool". |
| [10:58:14] | Dibblah: | It's not "clever". |
| [10:58:16] | Daviey: | sadly it is |
| [10:58:18] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [10:58:28] | directhex|bsp: | will Dibblah blend, that is the question |
| [10:58:30] | justinh: | awww. I wanna blend my mini-itx EPIA PoS (and I don't mean 'point of sale') |
| [10:58:31] | mchou: | there is nothing wrong with amd procs |
| [10:58:44] | directhex|bsp: | mchou, except in comparison to current intel processors |
| [10:58:54] | Dibblah: | mchou: I just started migrating to c2d. |
| [10:58:57] | justinh: | flamewar! |
| [10:59:09] | chronographer: | intel |
| [10:59:13] | Daviey: | one of the other reasons, for my case i _need_ an ultra low profile cooler, don't fancy trying to find another |
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| [10:59:38] | Dibblah: | .. 80w from-the-wall (AMD energy efficient 4000+) to 25w from-the-wall (C2D T5500). |
| [10:59:55] | Dibblah: | And about a 50% time reduction in commflagging. |
| [11:00:05] | Daviey: | intel vs. amd ; Easy, Intel is better – but people feel they are getting something cheaper if they go for amd |
| [11:00:10] | Daviey: | :D |
| [11:00:26] | justinh: | ServerSage: so I'm not exactly unwaged, but a console is just an unneccessary extravagance. plus getting her off the telly inthe livingroom is a pain. not worth the static. a woman without soap operas is like a man living without er.. getting any |
| [11:00:51] | mchou: | Dibblah: AMD and Intel measure TDP differently |
| [11:00:52] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, i find mythtv player for windows is instrumental in freeing up the tv |
| [11:01:00] | directhex|bsp: | mchou, IR thermometers don't |
| [11:01:18] | opentrinity: | in media setting there isn't DVD settings ....why? |
| [11:01:33] | ServerSage: | justinh: Thats why you need to find a woman that doesn't watch soaps. Hehe. And find one that enjoys console games. Like mine. |
| [11:01:35] | Daviey: | cause DVD's are for teh wwak |
| [11:01:38] | Daviey: | weak* |
| [11:01:41] | mchou: | Dibblah: in fact Intel can be accused of lying regarding TDP, isnt too far a stretch |
| [11:02:01] | justinh: | I tried mythtv player for windows once. I think just opening random files in the samba share of my recordings dir with VLC is better |
| [11:02:02] | Daviey: | Sadly i do watch Neighbours :) |
| [11:02:45] | ServerSage: | Speaking of consoles, I believe the map pack for Halo3 just finished downloading. I'm off! |
| [11:03:17] | justinh: | anyway watching tv on my desktop sucks. cheap nvidia crap. video tears on one of the monitor outputs :( |
| [11:03:41] | justinh: | though when we get a new telly the old one has to go somewhere |
| [11:03:57] | mchou: | Dibblah: any how long does your commflag take? |
| [11:04:00] | mchou: | and* |
| [11:04:17] | directhex|bsp: | mchou, under which metric doesn't intel jump up and down on amd right now? |
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| [11:04:18] | mchou: | my commflag finishes about 5 minutes after the show |
| [11:04:37] | mchou: | using real time comm flag |
| [11:05:03] | mchou: | and I'm on a 3000+ |
| [11:05:05] | Dibblah: | I'm only using it as a "real media decoding" benchmark. |
| [11:05:07] | mchou: | lol |
| [11:05:22] | justinh: | I couldn't care which is better. I just hate AMD for being so lame, and me for being so cheap I always bought athlons before |
| [11:05:39] | mchou: | lol |
| [11:05:41] | directhex|bsp: | i don't care which *company* is better, i care which *chip* is better |
| [11:05:49] | justinh: | it really doesn't matter to me how good AMD are _now_ |
| [11:05:51] | mchou: | b4 c2d AMD was top dog |
| [11:05:57] | directhex|bsp: | i have a million quid of new kit sat next door, chip selection is based on cold hard facts |
| [11:06:54] | directhex|bsp: | and the cold hard fact is, amd are physically incapable of beating intel in floating-point-heavy operations. they win by a sterling mile in 100% RAM-bound code, but as soon as the balance shifts away frmo RAM, intel start to pull ahead by a ridiculous degree |
| [11:08:04] | directhex|bsp: | and by physically incapable, i mean "amd chips, excluding barcelona, can complete a maximum of 2 floating point operations per cycle, whereas core2 does 4 in most cases" |
| [11:08:29] | directhex|bsp: | barcelona brings it up to 3, but due to a major chip design catastrophe, suffers a 20% speed reduction overall when doing double-precision floating point |
| [11:08:30] | justinh: | Dibblah: anyway thanks for the recommendation man. saved me from epia hell without spending a fortune. less than a hundred quids for a core2 duo mobile 1.83 frontend ain't bad at all :D |
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| [11:08:51] | jduggan: | wtf |
| [11:09:00] | Dibblah: | Oh. I hate to say it, but overclocking works really well on this motherboard :) |
| [11:09:01] | jduggan: | i assume u already had case/power supply/ram etc |
| [11:09:11] | justinh: | jduggan: cae & PSU only |
| [11:09:28] | jduggan: | 100squid got you ram, cpu, board? |
| [11:09:30] | jduggan: | i want some |
| [11:09:34] | jduggan: | :P |
| [11:09:36] | justinh: | ram was £17 for 1GB kingston ddr2 so-dimm |
| [11:09:50] | justinh: | cpu was £55 on fleabay, board was £35 ish |
| [11:09:55] | Dibblah: | ddr2 is silly prices at the moment. |
| [11:09:58] | directhex|bsp: | ddr2 is dirt cheap |
| [11:10:04] | justinh: | oops wasn't less than a ton. almost though |
| [11:10:05] | directhex|bsp: | ddr3 is... not |
| [11:10:09] | Dibblah: | Apologies for the echo :) |
| [11:10:09] | jduggan: | hmm |
| [11:10:25] | directhex|bsp: | you can buy an intel motherboard with 2gb integrated ddr3... for £550 |
| [11:10:29] | justinh: | was _definitely_ less than the SHITE epia cost me though |
| [11:10:52] | justinh: | board was hundred and eight quid, plus RAM |
| [11:11:00] | justinh: | plus fanless heatsink.. |
| [11:11:01] | mchou: | justinh: wth possesed you to buy epia? |
| [11:11:10] | justinh: | mchou: I was young & naieve |
| [11:11:30] | justinh: | actually possessed would be a good word |
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| [11:12:09] | justinh: | they really are a complete & utter false economy |
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| [11:12:30] | directhex|bsp: | i won an epia once. i ended up flogging it on ebay |
| [11:13:11] | mchou: | good call\ |
| [11:13:23] | justinh: | it used to work really well on older versions of minimyth – I just dunno wtf happenned. just about enough grunt to play sdtv mpeg2 but recently it just couldn't cope with bbc recordings |
| [11:13:30] | mchou: | fleabay ftw! |
| [11:13:33] | justinh: | far too marginal I think |
| [11:14:00] | justinh: | I still have the box & all the crap it came with :) fleabay it is |
| [11:14:13] | mchou: | marginal would be an apt description for epia |
| [11:14:15] | justinh: | other than wedging doors open at home I can't think of a new use for it |
| [11:14:27] | mchou: | car pc :) |
| [11:14:42] | justinh: | jesus even playing mp3s uses 30% CPU of its '1ghz' |
| [11:14:50] | mchou: | hahaha!! |
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| [11:14:59] | justinh: | it needs hardware to help with that |
| [11:15:07] | mchou: | epia 1 ghz is intel 450 :) |
| [11:15:30] | hades: | Hey all, I have a USB tv tuner, how do I find out if its on the list of supported tuners? |
| [11:15:31] | justinh: | forget about playing mpeg4 / nuv in mythtv on it |
| [11:15:38] | justinh: | hades: linuxtv.org |
| [11:15:48] | justinh: | in the wiki there ^^^ |
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| [11:17:25] | justinh: | anyway, even without multithreaded players my new setup has so far played everything I've thrown at it other than 1080p h.264. found a BBC HD clip to try it with.. not expecting that to work on a single core :P |
| [11:17:29] | opentrinity: | i have enable DMA, i have the symlinkk to /dev/cdrom but mythtv doesn't found optica disk |
| [11:18:00] | mchou: | justinh: what proc is new setup? |
| [11:18:17] | justinh: | core2 duo mobile 1.83. bit of a departure from the eeepeee :) |
| [11:18:40] | mchou: | a lappy? |
| [11:18:49] | justinh: | it's not the most maximus of maximums but it'll do for me |
| [11:19:05] | Dibblah: | mchou: Hmm. Just tried replicating my "50%" commflagging result. It only happens with only building the seek table. |
| [11:19:13] | mchou: | Dibblah: lol |
| [11:19:29] | Dibblah: | ... Which is what I needed to do at the time :) |
| [11:19:39] | Dibblah: | (For a video recording) |
| [11:19:57] | justinh: | mchou: Aopen i945GMm-HL board. desktop-ish but takes mobile CPU & so-dimm ram. even the integrated intel video isn't all that bad |
| [11:19:59] | Dibblah: | However, it's a difference of 15 seconds overall :) |
| [11:20:29] | Dibblah: | So, the CPUs in ffmpeg type use are just about equivalent. |
| [11:20:32] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, did all your driver hax go upstream yet? |
| [11:20:37] | Dibblah: | But 1/3 of the power consumption... |
| [11:20:53] | justinh: | Dibblah: no not yet. I need to make a patch & shove it in their bugzilla I think |
| [11:21:18] | justinh: | Dibblah: wouldn't go amiss if I take a look at the other standards & make sure they're sane too |
| [11:21:32] | Dibblah: | directhex|bsp: , ... :) |
| [11:21:48] | justinh: | damn autocomplete |
| [11:22:18] | justinh: | best quality svideo out I've ever seen (now I hacked it) |
| [11:22:20] | Dibblah: | Yeah, justdav* doesn't like it either ;) |
| [11:22:30] | pat_: | anybody from .au have their channel 10 feed (DVB) become interlaced in the recent months? |
| [11:22:35] | Dibblah: | Since he comes before you. |
| [11:22:39] | pat_: | or anybody seen anybody whining about it? |
| [11:22:41] | Dibblah: | Err.. That sounded wrong. |
| [11:23:16] | ** justinh goes looking for a irssi config file to autoignore people with matrix/scifi like nicks ** | |
| [11:23:48] | directhex|bsp: | /nick m0rpheus |
| [11:24:01] | directhex|bsp: | see me defeat your filter, using my elite powers of letter->number substitution |
| [11:24:26] | justinh: | don't you mean 3l173 ? |
| [11:24:59] | directhex|bsp: | y35 |
| [11:29:19] | mchou: | justinh: all i gotta say is you buy the weirdest comps |
| [11:29:41] | directhex|bsp: | mchou, what would you buy, right now? |
| [11:29:44] | mchou: | desktop with sodimm |
| [11:30:14] | mchou: | directhex|bsp: i haven been looking for quite awhile |
| [11:30:36] | mchou: | so not qualified to give you answer |
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| [11:31:00] | mchou: | but I think I'm done with desktops :) |
| [11:31:02] | hashbang: | justdave: those AOpen mobile boards are interesting... |
| [11:31:16] | directhex|bsp: | i used to have one. an older version, anyway |
| [11:31:19] | siXy: | hashbang: like the IL-90MV? |
| [11:31:25] | directhex|bsp: | the i855gmegmwjnhwiubwef or something like that |
| [11:31:29] | morpheus: | Hey, i really want matrix style theme – is that possible with myth? |
| [11:31:35] | mchou: | comps like apple iPhone is wave of future |
| [11:31:56] | directhex|bsp: | morpheus, you mean animated? |
| [11:32:06] | morpheus: | Yeah.. |
| [11:32:07] | ** siXy wonders if this is a serious question or just someone trying to wind up justinh ** | |
| [11:32:28] | mchou: | siXy: it's clearly a wind up |
| [11:32:29] | directhex|bsp: | morpheus, no, the myth drawing engine is immature, barely handles any animation (let alone full screen) |
| [11:32:40] | morpheus: | justinh: can you fix it? |
| [11:32:59] | mchou: | morpheus5: only if you take the red pill |
| [11:33:00] | directhex|bsp: | frankly, i'm surprised "morpheus" isn't already in use on freenode |
| [11:33:20] | siXy: | yeah. i wonder if neo is availiable too, and trinity |
| [11:33:28] | morpheus: | It is, but i'm 'borrowing' it |
| [11:34:41] | directhex|bsp: | i still need a mac mini |
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| [11:35:19] | mchou: | I'd like to hack the broadcom video chip |
| [11:35:36] | Dibblah: | I'd like to hack the planet. |
| [11:35:53] | Dibblah: | Oh, wait. Sorry – Channelling 80s movies again :) |
| [11:37:04] | mchou: | the irony of apple coming up with a mobile computing device like iPhone is funny when you contrast it with the newton |
| [11:38:43] | mchou: | I guess when you try long enough you will eventually be successful. All a matter of timing...... |
| [11:40:04] | mchou: | kind o like this video clip: |
| [11:40:08] | mchou: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNrrl6lsAHI |
| [11:40:15] | siXy: | and lots of gullible people with credit cards... |
| [11:40:22] | justinh: | mchou: so it's weird, but it works great :) |
| [11:41:27] | justinh: | morpheus: matrix mythtv theme? no real animation is possible in the mythtv UI. Oh and I imagine images & motifs from the movie 'The Matrix' are copyrighted so turning them into a theme you might want to distribute could be tricky |
| [11:41:55] | mchou: | nah, not when there is a matrix screensaver for linux |
| [11:42:28] | justinh: | yeah but all it does is that lame falling letters shite |
| [11:43:10] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: funny but I still need a mac mini too. I asked Santa for one though |
| [11:43:19] | directhex|bsp: | so did i! |
| [11:43:31] | mchou: | you guys watch the youtube video I hust linked? |
| [11:43:32] | justinh: | I dunno if I've been enough of a good boy this year |
| [11:43:34] | Dibblah: | To be a mac mini, or? |
| [11:43:53] | mchou: | just* |
| [11:43:55] | justinh: | mchou: at work. youtube is banned but we find other ways to avoid working |
| [11:44:03] | jduggan: | like IRC |
| [11:44:04] | jduggan: | ... |
| [11:44:05] | jduggan: | ;] |
| [11:44:07] | Daviey: | justinh: you've been too naughty i think :( |
| [11:44:07] | mchou: | lol |
| [11:45:14] | mchou: | justinh: you need a socks server :) |
| [11:46:11] | Dibblah: | I have a socks server. |
| [11:46:39] | siXy: | mchou: does it require sound? |
| [11:46:43] | Dibblah: | ... Well, at least, every time I open a drawer, there are socks in there. |
| [11:46:47] | jduggan: | i have a socks draw |
| [11:46:52] | jduggan: | omg, stole me joke |
| [11:46:57] | mchou: | Dibblah: then let justinh tunnel thru it |
| [11:47:32] | Dibblah: | No way. There are other things in that drawer!" |
| [11:47:38] | mchou: | siXy: sounc would be preferred but not absolutely necessary |
| [11:47:44] | mchou: | sound* |
| [11:48:01] | mchou: | siXy: actually, lemme take that bake |
| [11:48:05] | mchou: | back* |
| [11:48:11] | mchou: | sound is necessary |
| [11:48:36] | mchou: | cause otherwise it doesnt make much sense |
| [11:48:46] | Daviey: | well if justinh is using irssi, i'm guesing he already has a socks server |
| [11:48:50] | siXy: | hmm i will watch it again when i get home :) the video in question might raise eyebrows if played through my speakers in the office |
| [11:48:51] | Daviey: | ie SSH |
| [11:49:36] | justinh: | mchou: it's not so much the URLs visited, they're bandwidth misers |
| [11:50:11] | justinh: | pull more than a few k down at a time and they come asking |
| [11:50:43] | mchou: | the bandwidth POLICE! |
| [11:50:59] | siXy: | just claim you are downloading some essential disk image or similar |
| [11:51:15] | justinh: | siXy: then they offer to download it |
| [11:51:16] | mchou: | man, I'm glad I dont live in UK |
| [11:51:25] | siXy: | justinh: ah :S |
| [11:51:38] | mchou: | as bad as US is with Bush, it doesnt quite rise to level of UK :) |
| [11:52:00] | siXy: | happily i'm the only one in the company who knows the passwords to all the routers so noone can monitor what i do :) |
| [11:52:05] | justinh: | mchou: I bet some IT depts in the US are fascists too |
| [11:52:40] | justinh: | still at least you guys don't have 100 CCTV cameras per head of population (or whatever it turns out to be here) |
| [11:52:51] | mchou: | justinh: sure. but none of them come busting thru your doors when you d/l 2KB |
| [11:52:56] | justinh: | we're all freakin suspects |
| [11:53:15] | mchou: | justinh: or immigrants get shot as terrorists :) |
| [11:53:39] | justinh: | the woman who blew the whistle on the coverup lost her job |
| [11:53:53] | mchou: | what cover up? |
| [11:54:19] | justinh: | they tried to cover up the whole shooting thing.. the one where they gunned that dude down good & proper at a tube station |
| [11:54:29] | mchou: | huh?? |
| [11:54:44] | mchou: | how could they attempt to cover up something like that? |
| [11:54:47] | Daviey: | yeah, but he had darker skin – so it was okay AIUI |
| [11:55:27] | justinh: | mchou: not so much cover up – but skew the facts. like make out he looked like I was tooled up, so it was an honest mistake, guv ;) |
| [11:55:39] | mchou: | that gives new meaning to the word "boobie" |
| [11:55:43] | justinh: | er// look like _he_ was tooled up |
| [11:56:14] | mchou: | tooled up meaning he was "packing heat?" |
| [11:56:20] | justinh: | also the fact he ran away from them when infact they followed him as he moved unaware, waited til he was on the train then put 7 bullets into his head |
| [11:56:54] | justinh: | tooled up meaning he looked like Michelin man, packed with explosives |
| [11:56:59] | mchou: | ok |
| [11:57:11] | Daviey: | Yeah, running for a train that you think you might miss is a *CRIME* |
| [11:57:19] | mchou: | lol |
| [11:57:25] | justinh: | though now there are so many 'facts' around it's hard to believe anything |
| [11:58:08] | Daviey: | AIUI the police claimed to shout a warning first, but none of the witnesses heard it – but every copper did, funny that |
| [11:58:26] | mchou: | hehe |
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| [11:58:46] | justinh: | not that UK police are averse to shooting a person for no good reason. like that guy who happened to have a chair leg inside a carrier bag & wound up dead. apparently he was warned too. yeah right |
| [11:59:07] | Daviey: | You know the 2 bank robbers that were shot the other month? Well i was around that bank ~40mins earlier! |
| [11:59:08] | mchou: | huh?? |
| [11:59:13] | justinh: | and they want to give more of them feckin arseholes guns! over my dead body mate. no, wait... |
| [11:59:17] | mchou: | I didnt hear about this? |
| [11:59:38] | Daviey: | http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/news/pr130907_hamp.htm etc |
| [11:59:45] | justinh: | mchou: you're unlikely to have. he was just some guy |
| [11:59:49] | mchou: | chair leg inside carrier bag, linky pls |
| [11:59:57] | Daviey: | 2 guys shot dead outside bank |
| [12:00:06] | Daviey: | (sniper IIRC) |
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| [12:00:28] | justinh: | it's disconcerting going into manchester at this time of year. cops with ducking machine guns on street corners. scary |
| [12:00:54] | justinh: | mchou: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article529139.ece |
| [12:00:56] | Daviey: | it's bad going into manchester at any time of year |
| [12:01:12] | Daviey: | http://www.guardian.co.uk/gun/Story/0,,2168317,00.html |
| [12:01:43] | ** justinh goes off to heat up his chilli & have a snicker at the 'matrix theme'. er.. guffaw ** | |
| [12:01:49] | opentrinity: | ... i have enable DMA and create symlinks to /dev/cdrom but i cabt't find the optyical disk menu...why? |
| [12:02:18] | morpheus: | sorry justinh |
| [12:02:35] | mchou: | huh?? The shooting occurred in 1999?? |
| [12:04:31] | siXy: | opentrinity: its in there somehwere. try going through all the settings pages in media settings and see if you can find it |
| [12:04:53] | Daviey: | mchou: justinh was talking about a different one to me |
| [12:05:28] | opentrinity: | siXy: i'm already doing but i can't find anything |
| [12:05:33] | Daviey: | 'tis was odd having your local village on national news for something like that |
| [12:05:57] | siXy: | are you using the normal menu theme? |
| [12:06:08] | mchou: | Daviey: bah |
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| [12:06:29] | mchou: | Daviey: UK doesnt have a problem with guns. US does |
| [12:06:56] | Daviey: | Our problem with guns is the police |
| [12:07:16] | justinh: | mchou: uk has a big problem with illegal guns. specially manchester |
| [12:07:19] | directhex|bsp: | guns don't kill people. dangerous minority groups kill people |
| [12:07:20] | opentrinity: | siXy: yes, and i try also to change it |
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| [12:08:19] | Daviey: | I used to have a rifle licence.. the sport has been killed by overzealous politics – when the problems happen with unlicenced firearms |
| [12:08:25] | mchou: | directhex|bsp: apparent the same can be said of planes too |
| [12:08:40] | Daviey: | i mean ffs, our olympic pistol shooting team has to pratice abroad! |
| [12:08:49] | mchou: | hahaha!! |
| [12:08:55] | justinh: | kneejerk reactions to some nutjob going postal with a pistol in a school |
| [12:09:21] | directhex|bsp: | Daviey, i used to do rifle shooting at school |
| [12:09:24] | mchou: | I dont nevessarily think that's a kneejerk reaction |
| [12:09:33] | mchou: | necessarily* |
| [12:09:50] | Daviey: | mchou: planes?! http://tinyurl.com/2do4ke obne of these never hurt anybody |
| [12:09:50] | justinh: | mchou: if somebody was killed by breathing too much air they'd be calling for air to be banned |
| [12:10:05] | mchou: | no weapons of mass destruction in schools is a good policy :) |
| [12:10:23] | directhex|bsp: | i hear saddam went to school. bomb them all! |
| [12:10:53] | ** justinh does some more doodles for the 'Buffy The Vampire Slayer' theme ** | |
| [12:11:04] | Daviey: | aww no |
| [12:11:05] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, grr, argh! |
| [12:11:08] | morpheus is now known as matrix4eva | |
| [12:11:12] | opentrinity: | i'm so frustrated :-( |
| [12:11:13] | mchou: | Daviey: those would hurt if someone dropped one on your head |
| [12:11:44] | justinh: | Daviey: but.. but... The Flinstones one I did was so cool! |
| [12:11:54] | mchou: | matrix4eva: you a specialist in linear algebra? |
| [12:12:37] | matrix4eva: | huh?! |
| [12:12:46] | matrix4eva: | I just love da matrix |
| [12:12:50] | justinh: | time to upload Christna+Britney-wide |
| [12:12:56] | mchou: | lol |
| [12:12:59] | ** directhex|bsp multiples matrix4eva's dot & cross products ** | |
| [12:13:14] | matrix4eva: | :S |
| [12:13:15] | mchou: | justinh: wide ass? |
| [12:13:22] | ** justinh integrates matrix4eva ** | |
| [12:13:32] | ** directhex|bsp calculates matrix4eva's factorial ** | |
| [12:13:40] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, wake me when you have a lucy liu theme |
| [12:13:42] | justinh: | .. then gets stuck in a laplace transform. never could get the hang of them |
| [12:13:54] | matrix4eva: | my wife changed her name to trinity for me |
| [12:14:02] | justinh: | awwww |
| [12:14:11] | mchou: | you folks are talking outta your ass. I want the determinant |
| [12:14:28] | mchou: | that's matrix4eva's volume to you |
| [12:14:33] | ** directhex|bsp runs a fourier transform on Daviey erm matrix4eva ** | |
| [12:14:40] | matrix4eva: | hehe |
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| [12:15:06] | justinh: | troll in de house! |
| [12:15:17] | Daviey: | damn trolls |
| [12:15:24] | ** directhex|bsp checks the ubuntu code of conduct ** | |
| [12:15:40] | mchou: | directhex|bsp: you are retarded. Lucy Liu is no catch |
| [12:15:43] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: anything goes, so long as it's in the name of ubuntu :P |
| [12:15:53] | mchou: | she looks plain WEIRD |
| [12:16:12] | directhex|bsp: | mchou, compared to christina+britney? |
| [12:16:22] | mchou: | compared to anybody |
| [12:16:30] | opentrinity: | oh my god...finally sorry to the entire channel :-/ |
| [12:16:57] | mzb_d800: | I think I'd better avoid the multiplicity and just derive you all ;) |
| [12:17:01] | directhex|bsp: | mchou, tastes vary |
| [12:17:07] | directhex|bsp: | mzb_d800, meanie :( |
| [12:17:33] | mchou: | directhex|bsp: sure. but you gringos have poor taste in asian women |
| [12:17:34] | mzb_d800: | nothing like measuring a the rate of a rate of change ;) |
| [12:17:41] | mzb_d800: | s/a// |
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| [12:18:01] | mchou: | mzb_d800: there is no multiplicity. Find the Eigenvalue |
| [12:18:13] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [12:18:16] | directhex|bsp: | mchou, picking a name more than one person will recognise is a starting point |
| [12:18:24] | justinh: | now there's a word I think I've heard in my sleep a couple of times. Eigenvalue |
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| [12:18:52] | mchou: | directhex|bsp: what are you referring to? |
| [12:19:31] | justinh: | mchou: he means plenty people have heard of lucy lui, compared to say.. other asian starlets |
| [12:19:42] | directhex|bsp: | yeah, what justinh said |
| [12:19:47] | mchou: | justinh: man, that's just plain ridiculous |
| [12:19:59] | mzb_d800: | makes sense to me |
| [12:20:16] | justinh: | name some & we can tell you if their names ring any bells |
| [12:20:38] | directhex|bsp: | makes sense to everyone. note justinh's leading joke mentioned "britney" & "christina", yet everyone knows who he meant |
| [12:20:51] | justinh: | ooo! Tia Carrere? |
| [12:21:03] | mzb_d800: | my donger didn't move ... don't think I know that one ;) |
| [12:21:08] | mchou: | you never heard of Michelle Yeoh? Zhang Ziyi? Li Gong? |
| [12:21:13] | justinh: | nope |
| [12:21:17] | mchou: | lol |
| [12:21:17] | mzb_d800: | (or is that a clapper?) |
| [12:21:36] | mchou: | You brits need to get out more |
| [12:21:54] | mzb_d800: | watch who you label with that term |
| [12:22:03] | directhex|bsp: | get out where, specifically? |
| [12:22:13] | siXy: | aisan cinemas, i guess |
| [12:22:16] | justinh: | you yanks need to find out where europe is :P (since we're generalising) |
| [12:22:33] | mchou: | http://imdb.com/gallery/granitz/1713/Events/1 . . . nt=nm0955471 |
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| [12:22:53] | siXy: | wouldn't have even guessed that Zhang Ziyi was a girl tho to be honest |
| [12:23:04] | mchou: | much better specimen than Lucy Liu |
| [12:23:06] | mzb_d800: | not my to taste |
| [12:23:13] | mzb_d800: | (either of them) |
| [12:23:18] | directhex|bsp: | a little too "porcelain" a look for me. has she actually been in anything anyone will know? |
| [12:23:25] | mchou: | lol |
| [12:23:31] | mchou: | you guys crack me |
| [12:23:33] | mchou: | up |
| [12:23:49] | mchou: | Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon |
| [12:23:56] | directhex|bsp: | no, nothign i've ever seen. crouching tiger & hosue of flying daggers, neither of which i bothered with |
| [12:24:10] | directhex|bsp: | and rush hour 2, which the less said the better |
| [12:24:13] | mzb_d800: | I like Tasmanian women, anyway ... so it's an unfair comparison from your point of view ;P |
| [12:24:17] | mchou: | she's no porcelain doll |
| [12:24:24] | siXy: | "Was named one of the 25 Hottest Stars Under 25 by Teen People Magazine" << well clearly we should have heard of her then. as im sure we all read that magazine ;) |
| [12:24:33] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [12:24:57] | mchou: | http://imdb.com/title/tt0190332/ |
| [12:25:11] | directhex|bsp: | it's a question of cultural exposure. the only vaguely asian actress with high cultural saturation in .uk is lucy liu |
| [12:25:22] | justinh: | there might be some people who'd think a 35 yer old man buying/reading Teen People Magazine is er.. somehow 'wrong' |
| [12:25:52] | mchou: | directhex|bsp: I feel sorry for you brits then |
| [12:26:02] | justinh: | oh dear God. they're making a live actin version of 'Mulan' and this 'Zhang Ziyi' is in it |
| [12:26:15] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, i quite liked the disney animated version :( |
| [12:26:27] | mchou: | justinh: Mulan is an ancient chiese parable |
| [12:26:33] | justinh: | ah she was in 'memoirs of a geisha'. I've heard of that |
| [12:26:45] | mchou: | nothing wrong with a live version of it |
| [12:27:02] | justinh: | mchou: I just 'hear' Disney & barf |
| [12:27:30] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* ... I like women that don't look they'll break with a good gust of wind ;) |
| [12:27:53] | mchou: | lol |
| [12:27:54] | siXy: | dawn french |
| [12:28:04] | justinh: | roflmao |
| [12:28:07] | directhex|bsp: | mchou, like i said, it's a question of cultural exposure. frankly, it's astounding that people can't name more indian actresses given the high ethnic population. but there you go |
| [12:28:10] | mzb_d800: | pretty ... but a little too large ;) |
| [12:28:26] | mchou: | mzb_d800: Michelle Yeoh will bust your ballz while looking like a porcelain doll |
| [12:28:38] | mchou: | http://imdb.com/gallery/granitz/6106/Events/6 . . . ,%20Michelle |
| [12:28:53] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: because anybody with a brain shouldn't possibly enjoy Bollywood movies? |
| [12:29:16] | mzb_d800: | mchou: nope ... didn't even flinch |
| [12:29:19] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, there's more than just bollywood though. there's anglo-indian output. who didn't enjoy goodness gracious me? |
| [12:29:34] | siXy: | me. i never saw it |
| [12:29:35] | justinh: | if they're anything like 'He's Diseased' leave it out |
| [12:29:50] | mchou: | mzb_d800: that's not what I meant by bust your ballz |
| [12:30:03] | justinh: | and 'bend it like a big gay pince' |
| [12:30:03] | mchou: | mzb_d800: she is a martial artist |
| [12:30:06] | justinh: | *ponce |
| [12:30:13] | mzb_d800: | mchou: ok s/flinch/blink/ |
| [12:30:30] | siXy: | i should know some of mchou's actresses, as ive watched quite a few of those films, but in all honesty i just dont care that much who acted in the film, only if it was a good film or not |
| [12:30:34] | justinh: | have there been any good brit flicks recently, come to think of it |
| [12:30:52] | mchou: | siXy: they arent my actresses. |
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| [12:31:12] | mchou: | siXy: as much as I wish they are :) |
| [12:31:28] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [12:31:31] | siXy: | :) |
| [12:31:40] | mchou: | siXy: you telling those films I just mentioned werent good? |
| [12:32:18] | justinh: | I saw the trailers. I frowned |
| [12:32:19] | mzb_d800: | mchou: why look for an argument? |
| [12:32:21] | siXy: | no, i was saying that i dont read the credits to find out who the actors/actresses were. i just watch the film |
| [12:32:46] | mchou: | mzb_d800: no, just seeking clarification |
| [12:33:09] | siXy: | i have enough crap stored in my brain without adding trivia to it |
| [12:34:15] | justinh: | translation – every time I learn a new thing it pushes out stuff out of the way |
| [12:34:23] | mchou: | I find it funny that Keira Knightly became largely know due to a bollywood movie |
| [12:34:35] | directhex|bsp: | i stand by my original assertion. lucy liu is a household name with instant recognition, zhang ziyi is not. relative merits aside, that much is indisputable |
| [12:34:46] | quicksilver: | I thought she became largely known due to a pirates movie? |
| [12:34:50] | mchou: | aka "Bend it like Beckham" |
| [12:35:03] | directhex|bsp: | mchou, "Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace" was bollywood? |
| [12:35:03] | mchou: | quicksilver: you are misinformed |
| [12:35:10] | quicksilver: | and I don't think Bend it like Beckham counts as boolywood just because it has an indian theme :) |
| [12:35:21] | directhex|bsp: | and bend it like beckham isn't bollywood, it just has a lot of anglo-indians in it |
| [12:35:27] | mchou: | quicksilver: dude, where you been? |
| [12:35:29] | justinh: | I think it'd be insulting to Bollywood |
| [12:35:54] | mchou: | quicksilver: no, Bend it like Beckham derived inspiration from Bollywood |
| [12:36:11] | justinh: | yeah but it was shite. time I'll never get back |
| [12:36:17] | mchou: | all the songs and dancing in the wedding, etc. |
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| [12:36:39] | quicksilver: | mchou: ok, that's a long way short of being a Bollywood movie though |
| [12:36:42] | siXy: | somehow the title of that film really put me off... |
| [12:36:45] | quicksilver: | it was not primarily musical in character. |
| [12:36:51] | quicksilver: | although it had a couple of songs. |
| [12:36:54] | mchou: | directhex|bsp: Knightley was on screen a total of 3 minutes in Phantom |
| [12:36:58] | quicksilver: | it was filmed in england. |
| [12:37:07] | directhex|bsp: | bend it like beckham is a bollywood film, and kill bill is an asian martial arts drama. right? same logic here |
| [12:37:08] | quicksilver: | produced by an american production house. |
| [12:37:23] | mchou: | quicksilver: why dont you rent the DVD and listen to the director commentary |
| [12:37:26] | justinh: | quicksilver: I thought it was about a metatarsal |
| [12:37:37] | quicksilver: | mchou: well, i have seen the film. |
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| [12:38:03] | mchou: | She (the director) said it was heavily influenced by Bollywood |
| [12:38:07] | quicksilver: | I don't think films produced in the US and directed in the UK, with the words in english and only a few songs can be called Bollywood |
| [12:38:11] | quicksilver: | hell yes |
| [12:38:12] | quicksilver: | obviously influenced |
| [12:38:13] | ** justinh recommends mchou watch 'Twin Town' to get a more accurate impression of British culture ** | |
| [12:38:16] | quicksilver: | but that's not twhat you said :P |
| [12:38:38] | quicksilver: | Blackadder the forth was heavily influenced by war films |
| [12:38:42] | quicksilver: | that doesn't make it a war film :P |
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| [12:39:19] | directhex|bsp: | quicksilver, dad's army is a war film! |
| [12:39:39] | justinh: | Dad's Army is a ducking dentist simulator |
| [12:39:45] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... looks like more than one person is looking for an argument ... subject changing from women to films ... and still mostly pointless |
| [12:39:54] | mzb_d800: | I guess I'm getting too old |
| [12:39:57] | directhex|bsp: | mzb_d800, no it isn't! |
| [12:40:09] | mzb_d800: | I fail to see it :) |
| [12:40:23] | directhex|bsp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM |
| [12:40:24] | justinh: | it's comedown Tuesday. The weekend's E-high is wearing off good & proper now |
| [12:40:26] | siXy: | so... back to annimated matrix themes for mythtc :) |
| [12:40:28] | mzb_d800: | but then I'm not really that interested ... I'll leave you lot to it :) |
| [12:40:35] | mchou: | anyway, the notion of Lucy Liu being a household name is ludicrious |
| [12:40:59] | mchou: | the only reason I recall her is because she is so ugly |
| [12:41:13] | Darthy: | is xmltv still working with tv-today? |
| [12:41:19] | directhex|bsp: | mchou, reality sucks, eh |
| [12:41:27] | mchou: | it sticks in my mind like a nail |
| [12:41:33] | mzb_d800: | ps: for those interested, I've managed to get pre-alpha code working for true shuffle mode in mythburn.py ... should allow up to 128 titles (hopefully) |
| [12:41:39] | justinh: | who looks at the mantelpiece anyway? |
| [12:41:41] | mchou: | needs to be removed |
| [12:42:25] | siXy: | mythburn? what does that do? |
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| [12:42:34] | mchou: | quicksilver: (04:35:54) mchou: quicksilver: no, Bend it like Beckham derived inspiration from Bollywood |
| [12:42:41] | directhex|bsp: | siXy, burns myths |
| [12:42:47] | mchou: | quicksilver: that's exactly what I said |
| [12:43:00] | siXy: | ah well. never seen that one before |
| [12:43:03] | directhex|bsp: | mchou, you called it a bollywood film |
| [12:43:12] | mchou: | directhex|bsp: where? |
| [12:43:21] | directhex|bsp: | "<mchou> I find it funny that Keira Knightly became largely know due to a bollywood movie" |
| [12:43:21] | mchou: | directhex|bsp: I just quoted |
| [12:43:23] | directhex|bsp: | there ^^ |
| [12:43:23] | quicksilver: | "I find it funny that Keira Knightly became largely know due to a bollywood movie" |
| [12:43:30] | quicksilver: | is what you said |
| [12:43:31] | ** quicksilver shrugs ** | |
| [12:43:36] | quicksilver: | I don't care, really I don't :P |
| [12:43:40] | directhex|bsp: | reality REALLy sucks, evidently! |
| [12:43:41] | quicksilver: | but that's the point I disagreed with |
| [12:43:57] | mzb_d800: | siXy: mythburn.py is part of mytharchive, and is the script that does all the heavy lifting when creating DVD's of videos + recordings |
| [12:44:00] | ** directhex|bsp wonders what color the sky is in mchouland ** | |
| [12:44:33] | mzb_d800: | the point of having (true) shuffle mode is so that (for eg.) you can burn music clips to a DVD |
| [12:44:38] | mchou: | directhex|bsp: you know nothing about reality since you have know idea why the director was inspired to make "Bend it like Beckham" |
| [12:45:08] | directhex|bsp: | mchou, i have every idea. you're the one confused about the difference between "==" and "inspired by" |
| [12:45:10] | siXy: | mzb_d800: ah ok – to be honest i have never played with any of the video editing or arhciving stuff |
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| [12:49:11] | justinh: | uh-oh. another pc form factor is upon us. DTX |
| [12:49:47] | mzb_d800: | I hate to ask what the D stands for :) |
| [12:49:51] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, really? whose bright idea is that one? |
| [12:49:59] | justinh: | AMD |
| [12:50:11] | directhex|bsp: | fuck you, amd! make chips that don't suck, THEN offer another form factor |
| [12:50:34] | mzb_d800: | I don't mind AMD |
| [12:50:57] | directhex|bsp: | i mind more form factors, when there are more pressing concerns |
| [12:51:05] | directhex|bsp: | like weak floating point performance |
| [12:51:05] | mzb_d800: | but then I don't want to be educated otherwise, thanks for the thought :) |
| [12:51:21] | justinh: | hey I wonder if that eye-tallian bloke got that CPU yet |
| [12:51:52] | justinh: | or is he one of those 'won't leave you feedback til you give me feedback' arseholes |
| [12:52:01] | mzb_d800: | http://www.dtxpc.org/ |
| [12:52:27] | directhex|bsp: | interesting. HMV are scaling back CD shelf space, to make room for more videogames |
| [12:53:17] | justinh: | I haven't bought a CD since the local independent music shop closed |
| [12:53:35] | justinh: | I refuse to pay £14.99 for a new album. FFS |
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| [12:54:02] | justinh: | wouldn't mind so much if you got more than 35 minutes of music |
| [12:54:08] | directhex|bsp: | i refuse to pay >£0 for an album with DRM on it, and only accept a CDDA logo as proof of non-DRM |
| [12:54:28] | directhex|bsp: | infact, even £0 is too much for DRM-encumbered audio |
| [12:54:38] | justinh: | I found a 'legal' paid-for download site with no DRM |
| [12:54:55] | justinh: | 20 cents per track |
| [12:54:59] | directhex|bsp: | there are a couple. depends who you want to listen to though |
| [12:55:13] | justinh: | beats itunes |
| [12:55:20] | directhex|bsp: | if you like aphex twin and bjork, for example, you're sorted |
| [12:55:22] | justinh: | then again so does taping off the radio |
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| [12:57:14] | justinh: | heh compared to bjork, lucy lui looks absolutely human :P |
| [12:57:22] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [12:57:23] | justinh: | pixies! |
| [12:58:20] | mchou: | bjork is one fine looking chick |
| [12:58:32] | justinh: | that reminds me I need to look & see if there are any more "the work of..." DVDs I need to buy |
| [12:58:37] | siXy: | justinh: where is this non-drm source? |
| [12:58:53] | justinh: | siXy: google knows. I can't remember |
| [12:58:58] | siXy: | ok |
| [13:06:34] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, didn't they only ever release three? |
| [13:07:10] | directhex|bsp: | oh, apparently not. http://www.directorslabel.com/ |
| [13:09:03] | directhex|bsp: | christ on a bike, who owns the label? bjork? |
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| [13:10:58] | justinh: | I think it's more the fact she's used more 'out there' directors for her promos than most ;) |
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| [13:11:36] | justinh: | Chris Cunningham rather defines the term 'fucked up' IMHO |
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| [13:12:33] | directhex|bsp: | i like gondry. the video for "star guitar" inspired by degree third-year project |
| [13:13:05] | justinh: | yeah he's my favourite |
| [13:13:13] | justinh: | so far.. |
| [13:13:32] | justinh: | what was your 3rd year degree project? |
| [13:14:08] | directhex|bsp: | i was going for something to generate landscapes from music |
| [13:14:13] | directhex|bsp: | it's rather tricky |
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| [13:20:56] | justinh: | I had that video in bits trying to work out how they did it. wouldn't mind having a bash at it myself |
| [13:21:26] | directhex|bsp: | photoshop and 10 hours of raw footage, apprently |
| [13:22:04] | DustyBin: | ive opened up a empty #zoneminder room on freenode if anyones interested |
| [13:22:18] | DustyBin: | </spam> |
| [13:22:59] | justinh: | get a (zoneminder) room? :P |
| [13:23:09] | DustyBin: | /s/room/channel |
| [13:23:51] | justinh: | hmm interesting ITC document I've been sent here |
| [13:25:55] | DustyBin: | ive spent £80 on X10 stuff, my next mission is to buy some Axis cameras |
| [13:26:30] | directhex|bsp: | money that could be better spent on porn |
| [13:26:46] | DustyBin: | imagine how cool it would be if somone knocks at your door and you flick on the zoneminder myth plugin and see who it is, then you press a x10 control to open the door |
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| [13:27:12] | justinh: | then find it's some local hoodie with a picture of a loved one stuck on his face |
| [13:27:18] | DustyBin: | lol |
| [13:27:31] | justinh: | you could just get out of your chair YOU LAZY BASTARD |
| [13:27:36] | DustyBin: | lol |
| [13:27:57] | directhex|bsp: | you could get a butler |
| [13:28:00] | DustyBin: | http://www.axis.com/ this company makes some nice cameras |
| [13:28:12] | directhex|bsp: | or, on a budget, you could import a chinese goldfarmer and make him do butlering on the side |
| [13:28:17] | DustyBin: | lol |
| [13:29:01] | justinh: | god no wonder we're a nation of fat buggers |
| [13:29:30] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, no, that's 'cos pie is cheap & convenient |
| [13:29:39] | justinh: | hey what happens when you drop the remote & can't pick it up cos you're too fat? |
| [13:30:08] | DustyBin: | "Equipped with Power over Ethernet (PoE) support, the camera uses the Ethernet cable for both power and video" |
| [13:30:16] | ** DustyBin wonders if his switch can handle PoE ** | |
| [13:30:20] | directhex|bsp: | DustyBin, i hope you have a PoE switch |
| [13:30:20] | justinh is now known as Mr_Creosote | |
| [13:30:33] | directhex|bsp: | DustyBin, if you didn't pay an extra grand, then no, it probably can't |
| [13:30:40] | DustyBin: | jeeze |
| [13:30:59] | DustyBin: | wireless it will be then |
| [13:31:08] | directhex|bsp: | nah, you can get entry-level PoE switches, about £300 for 8 port |
| [13:31:27] | directhex|bsp: | well. 16 port, with half PoE-capable |
| [13:31:27] | Mr_Creosote: | or just put a mains plug on an thernet cable :P |
| [13:31:42] | DustyBin: | ill look into it |
| [13:31:55] | Mr_Creosote: | PoWE ftw! |
| [13:31:58] | Mr_Creosote: | frying tonight |
| [13:32:02] | directhex|bsp: | absolute bargian basement is £80, but only 100basetx |
| [13:32:05] | DustyBin: | http://www.axis.com/products/cam_207w/index.htm |
| [13:33:01] | directhex|bsp: | http://www.it247.com/Product/3227-FS108PEU/?c . . . andSwitches# |
| [13:33:07] | directhex|bsp: | 10/100, PoE on 4 ports |
| [13:33:14] | directhex|bsp: | £70 |
| [13:33:19] | DustyBin: | nice |
| [13:35:01] | DustyBin: | i already own a netgear GS108 BASE 1000 switch |
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| [13:36:09] | directhex|bsp: | i could do with upgrading to 16 ports, really |
| [13:36:28] | directhex|bsp: | get the house wired up professionally |
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| [13:40:53] | DustyBin: | looks like im going to sell my GS108 and upgrade 10 a base 1000 PoE switch |
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| [13:41:40] | DustyBin: | if i spend a bit more on one, it might be able to handle jumbo frames too, the one i got now doesnt |
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| [13:51:01] | thomas: | hi folks, my question i fiddled days to get my pvr-500 running with a dvb-c card with mantis driver. now i have channels for digital and analog (some are named unfortunately differently). can i just rename those to the same name and will mythtv handle that ? |
| [13:52:18] | justinh: | you should have different 'video sources' – one for each card type |
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| [13:53:06] | thomas: | justinh: hmm but then my simpsons get recorded twice :) (ok this can be changed with recording settings, but i like to say record on any channel any time :) |
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| [13:56:07] | thomas: | just to be sure, is it correct what justinh mentioned, that i should have a channel twice when i have a digi and analog card ? |
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| [14:02:14] | otwin: | thomas: here is what I did: 2 'video sources' manually fed with the same xmltv data (mythfilldatabase --file <sourceid>' |
| [14:02:46] | otwin: | thomas: and then manually set the channum in the data the same for identical channels |
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| [14:03:32] | otwin: | but i'm still wondering if this is the best way to do it – for now it seems ok |
| [14:03:48] | otwin: | s/data/database |
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| [14:20:01] | justinh: | god I could really swing for my wife. there's been a real minor smell of gas in the kitchen lately so rather than call the fitter we used last year back in to look at it she rang the fucking gas company, and now they've disconnected the supply |
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| [14:22:47] | jams: | justinh- anything serious turn up with your wife's stay in the hosptial? |
| [14:23:25] | justinh: | jams: nope. scans showed nothing and "she wasn't in enough pain for them to operate" |
| [14:23:36] | justinh: | getting what we pay for again |
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| [14:26:20] | justinh: | soon as we get some stuff out of the way, to hell with her morals, we're going private |
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| [14:30:50] | iam8up: | american health care... |
| [14:31:22] | jams: | iam8up- huh? |
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| [14:31:35] | iam8up: | read above |
| [14:31:52] | justinh: | it came down to two docs' opinions, both differing and neither one talking to the other |
| [14:32:07] | jams: | iam8up- he is not in the usa |
| [14:32:20] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, you think going private means doctors will communicate with each other? |
| [14:32:33] | justinh: | it'll no doubt flare up again, maybe even be life threatening next time – then they might make up their mind |
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| [14:33:11] | justinh: | I dunno I just have this idea in my head that the NHS is pissing all out money away |
| [14:33:18] | justinh: | s/out/our |
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| [14:38:26] | Dibblah: | justinh: ERROR: The current video card / driver combination does not support the necessary features: GL_ARB_occlusion_query |
| [14:38:35] | Dibblah: | Well, that's my hopes dashed. |
| [14:38:49] | Dibblah: | The GMA950 won't run Quake Wars ;) |
| [14:38:53] | justinh: | anyway if 'not in enough pain' is defined as needing more than a big shot of morphine to help, I hate to think what they meant |
| [14:39:37] | justinh: | Dibblah: awww boo! |
| [14:39:57] | Dibblah: | You should see the look of surprise on my face. |
| [14:42:29] | justinh: | you mean.. "intel graphics not so hot for 3d games" – shock? :P |
| [14:43:20] | justinh: | tbh I was amazed the graphics weren't a bottleneck to video playback – that's how bad their rep. is |
| [14:43:41] | directhex|bsp: | the gma950 can't run half-life 2 in windows |
| [14:43:46] | directhex|bsp: | well, it runs, but it's a slideshow |
| [14:43:52] | Dibblah: | directhex|bsp: In fact, it can. |
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| [14:44:13] | Dibblah: | Quality _absolutely_ at minimums, it's almost playable :) |
| [14:44:19] | directhex|bsp: | Dibblah, not playably, on my gma950-based laptop, with every setting on minimum. it's kinda okay until you get outside |
| [14:44:43] | justinh: | but then again, so what? |
| [14:45:04] | Dibblah: | Yup. It's so not what it's designed for. |
| [14:45:06] | justinh: | if you want 3d performance you need to go a bit beyond integrated video anyway. normally |
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| [14:45:22] | directhex|bsp: | true |
| [14:45:38] | Dibblah: | The 965+ chipsets look much nicer. |
| [14:45:39] | directhex|bsp: | i'm quite distraught that this office pc is actually considerably worse than the wife's pc for 3d games |
| [14:45:58] | Dibblah: | Of course, not NVidia style nicer. But still... |
| [14:46:03] | directhex|bsp: | this one has a geforce 8400gs, 2 gig of ram, and a core2. |
| [14:46:16] | directhex|bsp: | hers has a 3200+ athlon, a gig of ram, and a 6600gt |
| [14:46:25] | directhex|bsp: | no comparison, hers is faster for games |
| [14:49:12] | kdubya: | 8400gs is slow as piss |
| [14:50:29] | justinh: | ah yesh but it is reddy for de hud? ;) |
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| [14:51:44] | directhex|bsp: | kdubya, i expected it to, y'know, beat a 2-year-old midrange card |
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| [15:42:07] | justinh: | gone are the days when a PIA woggled a bit which went through a resistor into a video modulator input :P |
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| [16:08:40] | Lunar_Lamp: | On the wiki are several themes listed under "user contributed". It says they are located at http://jmeyer.us/ but I can only see a very small number of them there. |
| [16:08:50] | Lunar_Lamp: | Have the others been removed, or are they available elsewhere? |
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| [16:36:15] | justinh: | try the downloads section on jmeyer.us |
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| [16:36:49] | justinh: | http://jmeyer.us/download.php?list.4 – tada! |
| [16:39:30] | RyeBrye: | Does the HD Homerun do SD stuff on QAM? |
| [16:39:36] | cmoates: | Yes |
| [16:40:09] | justinh: | (where available unencrypted, of course) |
| [16:40:18] | cmoates: | RyeBrye, it does, and their site's little lineup tool thing shows you the resolution of various channels in various zip codes |
| [16:40:23] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, the local cableco doesn't encrypt any of the SDTV stuff |
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| [16:40:39] | RyeBrye: | That's cool |
| [16:40:41] | cmoates: | any? |
| [16:40:44] | cmoates: | Not even HBO? |
| [16:40:48] | RyeBrye: | Oh, maybe HBO |
| [16:41:02] | cmoates: | I find that a handful of SD channels are available, but many more are encrypted |
| [16:41:05] | RyeBrye: | The guy I set it up with last time didn't have HBO |
| [16:41:06] | jams: | imagine that items for download in the downloads section! |
| [16:41:41] | cmoates: | Does anyone know what a .20 frontend will do when connected to a .21 backend? |
| [16:41:50] | justinh: | cmoates: er.. not work |
| [16:41:58] | cmoates: | But any clue how it won't work? |
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| [16:42:10] | justinh: | it'll moan about the protocol version among other things |
| [16:42:18] | cmoates: | ok |
| [16:42:30] | cmoates: | I've got a .20 frontend that does the UI scaling then dies |
| [16:42:32] | justinh: | FWIW, you need all systems to run _exactly_ the same version |
| [16:42:38] | xri2 is now known as xris | |
| [16:42:38] | cmoates: | So I likely have some other problem, to start with |
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| [16:42:55] | justinh: | that normally means if you run trunk, the same version number |
| [16:43:09] | cmoates: | And yes, I have every intent to update that frontend to .21 of the same svn rev |
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| [16:47:06] | justinh: | gah seems like mythbuntu is automounting the dvd!!! |
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| [16:47:16] | Daviey: | yah \o/ |
| [16:47:30] | justinh: | is there nothing it does right? |
| [16:47:30] | Daviey: | mythbuntu rocks again |
| [16:48:04] | Daviey: | automounting doesn't have to be a bad thing |
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| [16:48:17] | justinh: | for video dvds it is though |
| [16:48:23] | jams: | well property taxes paid for another year |
| [16:48:37] | Daviey: | jams: thats good to hear |
| [16:49:13] | jams: | i suppose. Wasn't to happy with the rammed through tax increase. |
| [16:49:45] | jams: | raised prop taxes but seems nobody knows where the extra money is going. |
| [16:50:06] | jams: | but anyway..taxes are paid |
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| [16:51:23] | justinh: | how can mythbuntu get away with dvd playback not working out of the box?! |
| [16:51:57] | Daviey: | pfft, dvd's are for whoozers |
| [16:52:17] | Daviey: | tbh, i've never tried playing a dvd on it – i don't own many dvd's |
| [16:52:42] | justinh: | ffs I can't possibly recommend this to anybody |
| [16:53:02] | directhex: | justinh, because legally, it can't |
| [16:53:16] | directhex: | justinh, why not throw sasc-ng in by default too? |
| [16:53:50] | justinh: | I'm not talking about encrypted dvds here |
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| [16:56:49] | Hoxzer: | :( damn dual headed is warming up my CPU. I had to activate extra fans |
| [16:57:02] | Dibblah: | Fans? |
| [16:57:08] | Dibblah: | Oh, yes. I remember those. |
| [16:57:52] | Hoxzer: | :P yaeh, water cooling would be nice |
| [16:58:01] | Hoxzer: | passive just couldn't do it |
| [17:03:14] | justinh: | is water cooling ever a good idea? |
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| [17:04:52] | jams: | justinh- From some initial tests it looks like this network boot thing is going to work out. The default network boot will allow you to install to the local hardrive OR create a network boot image. If it's a network boot image, then that new image will be used for that specific client on the next client boot. |
| [17:05:03] | justinh: | nice. |
| [17:05:20] | jams: | yeah now to make it work and look pretty =) |
| [17:05:39] | justinh: | less pain than I had to go through then. admittedly because the howto I followed had neglected to mention the network module had to be added in a 'modules' config file :-\ |
| [17:05:56] | jams: | thats the idea less pain |
| [17:05:58] | Daviey: | justinh: seems dvd playback does work out of the box – maybe your hacking around on it broke it :) |
| [17:06:11] | justinh: | well, either way I'm still not a fan |
| [17:06:26] | justinh: | just used it cos I had a cd handy |
| [17:06:41] | jams: | heh mabye i should change the name to crystalmyth |
| [17:07:13] | Daviey: | I think justinh has been given a bung from a certain rival distro to moan at ours :D |
| [17:07:18] | justinh: | Daviey: and on reflection, that theme seriously fucking blows chunks. the one I gave you guys |
| [17:08:20] | Daviey: | :( |
| [17:08:28] | jams: | rival distro? |
| [17:08:31] | justinh: | as part of my "no longer giving a stuff about certain themes" initiative, several will be reverting to GPL. they'll effectively be dumped |
| [17:09:20] | Daviey: | justinh: you need a way of automating your mood swings :) |
| [17:09:41] | Daviey: | maybe they can be scripted somehow, so the licences change automagically |
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| [17:09:44] | justinh: | I'll still be giving the damn things away, so where's the rub? |
| [17:10:07] | jams: | what does the mythbunta theme look like? |
| [17:10:15] | justinh: | jams: like blootube but shit. |
| [17:10:16] | Daviey: | i'm just yanking your chain |
| [17:10:26] | justinh: | er.. more shit I mean |
| [17:10:36] | jams: | heh ok |
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| [17:10:41] | justinh: | seemed like a good idea at the time |
| [17:10:49] | jams: | browntube |
| [17:11:01] | Daviey: | nice. |
| [17:11:04] | justinh: | Daviey: sorry but I really do feel revulsion when I look at some of my own work |
| [17:11:20] | Daviey: | justinh: you shouldn't – better than i could do |
| [17:11:27] | justinh: | how anybody can like them let alone download, use and donate is totally beyond my comprehension |
| [17:11:46] | justinh: | even glass-wide has lost its shine |
| [17:11:53] | Daviey: | i'm using blootube atm |
| [17:12:18] | justinh: | I need to try darker backgrounds I think |
| [17:12:24] | Daviey: | yes! |
| [17:12:35] | Daviey: | What about an "ass-wide" theme? |
| [17:12:45] | justinh: | brown, for ubuntu? |
| [17:12:56] | Daviey: | naa |
| [17:13:03] | justinh: | with bits of carrots, sweetcorn & rice? :P |
| [17:13:07] | Daviey: | i don't like brown |
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| [17:13:43] | justinh: | I want to do a new one already but I have no idea where it's gonna go. I also know about the mythui port so I'll hold off for a long time |
| [17:13:44] | Daviey: | hmm, could change the background to "carrots, sweetcorn & rice?" if mythfrontend is about to segfault? |
| [17:14:09] | justinh: | getting sued by Tivo could be fun |
| [17:14:39] | justinh: | or maybe have some homo-erotic images of Canoe Reeves in a Neo-wide thing |
| [17:14:56] | Daviey: | naa |
| [17:15:25] | Daviey: | titties would be nice, but not WAF friendly |
| [17:15:36] | justinh: | Daviey: I dare you to look at changing mytharchive's look just a little bit & see if you don't come out feeling bitter |
| [17:16:15] | Daviey: | art is something i just can't do. |
| [17:16:26] | justinh: | you think it's something I _can_? hahaha |
| [17:16:50] | jams: | Daviey- i had a working mockup of such a theme |
| [17:17:02] | justinh: | takes very little skill to draw a translucent rounded rectangle with another translucent rounded rectangle on top |
| [17:17:14] | Daviey: | I think my artistic side was crushed in my youth |
| [17:17:22] | Daviey: | same as my perl side :D |
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| [17:17:33] | justinh: | in my 3rd year of secondary school I was getting A and A+ for my homework |
| [17:17:50] | justinh: | 4th year.. quack quack oops! |
| [17:17:56] | Daviey: | wow, i can't even remember what i got |
| [17:18:11] | justinh: | it always took me by surprise, that's why I remembered |
| [17:19:00] | Daviey: | Hmm. are you still not smoking? |
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| [18:04:00] | justinh: | Daviey: I was just as cranky before I quit |
| [18:04:20] | justinh: | folks round here have shorter memories than I thought |
| [18:04:54] | justinh: | how's the 50's diner thing coming along anyway? |
| [18:06:13] | justinh: | oh gawd. need to do something about this stupid screensaver/screen blanking |
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| [18:23:44] | justinh: | oh jees now my /myth nfs mount is being funny |
| [18:24:01] | justinh: | mount -a makes it work but doesn't mount at boot time |
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| [18:31:14] | Jonny88: | Can anybody help me with my planned mythbox design and a few queries? |
| [18:34:00] | Jonny88: | is anybody there? |
| [18:34:01] | jhulst: | Jonny88: I can try |
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| [18:34:33] | Jonny88: | jhulst: cheers, first up I'm wanting to use an AMD CPU, is a X2 4000+ overkill? |
| [18:35:09] | jhulst: | Jonny88: what are you going to do with it? High Def, what resolution? SD? |
| [18:35:48] | Jonny88: | jhulst: mainly using as an mp3 jukebox, but also DVD player and possable TV recorder. No HD |
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| [18:36:32] | jhulst: | Jonny88: What's the clock speed on an 4000+? I would say it's overkill, I had a machine running an old Duron 1.8 ghz which ran pretty well |
| [18:37:18] | Jonny88: | jhulst: about 2GHz x2 |
| [18:37:59] | jhulst: | Jonny88: That'd be good |
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| [18:38:46] | XLV: | x2 4000 is 2GHz, 1MB cache per core iirc |
| [18:39:13] | XLV: | just ordrered a s939 one to upgrade one sc system here |
| [18:40:38] | Jonny88: | Ok, my main concern is a case, I was going to get an Antec fusion, but I'm worried about its LCD/Remote compatability and that its micro atx, what would people reccomend at the budget end (£60-£90) |
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| [18:43:59] | sebrock: | anything besides the DB that need backup on backend? |
| [18:44:13] | jhulst: | Jonny88: I just have an older micro-atx case, some people seem to be using the fusions lcd |
| [18:45:10] | jhulst: | sebrock: for what, to transfer to another machine? |
| [18:45:34] | sebrock: | jhulst, for security, general backing up |
| [18:45:52] | jhulst: | sebrock: The database should be good |
| [18:46:08] | jhulst: | s/good/enough |
| [18:46:40] | sebrock: | great |
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| [18:47:06] | Kazan: | any idea why i would be getting the video card "breathing" (ie small little stutters) effect on a DivX video.. there are no performance issue messages in front end log |
| [18:47:38] | justinh: | sebrock: recordings? |
| [18:47:46] | justinh: | config files? |
| [18:48:07] | sebrock: | config files? |
| [18:48:12] | Jonny88: | I've got Virgin Cable atm, can I set up my Mythtv to control this in an easy way? |
| [18:48:13] | justinh: | yeah config files |
| [18:48:20] | sebrock: | recordings are on a different disk so thats OK |
| [18:48:21] | justinh: | Jonny88: depends which STB you've got |
| [18:48:39] | sebrock: | config files, you mean frontend configfiles? |
| [18:48:47] | Jonny88: | erm a Pace, model D14001NC or something, any ideas? |
| [18:48:49] | justinh: | sebrock: no just general config files |
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| [18:48:55] | sebrock: | or xmltv? |
| [18:49:03] | sebrock: | justinh, give an example :D |
| [18:49:06] | justinh: | contents of ~/.mythtv |
| [18:49:24] | justinh: | sebrock: possibly contents of stuff in /etc too |
| [18:49:27] | Kazan: | got it |
| [18:49:31] | Kazan: | i figured it out |
| [18:49:40] | Kazan: | it was trying to deinterlace a non-interlaced image |
| [18:49:46] | Kazan: | 480p |
| [18:49:56] | justinh: | Jonny88: some virgin cable STBs don't use regular IR so you need a translator between the IR blaster & set top box |
| [18:50:07] | justinh: | Jonny88: the di4000 uses RC5 so you should be fine |
| [18:50:44] | Jonny88: | justinh: how hard is it to set up the IR blaster? |
| [18:50:52] | justinh: | Jonny88: buy a Hauppauge pvr150 card, FWIW. framegrabbers (aka 'a tuner card you found in a bin somewhere') suck |
| [18:51:02] | jduggan: | what about the samsung stb's ? |
| [18:51:14] | justinh: | samsung use RC5 too – and will also be fine |
| [18:51:26] | sebrock: | justinh, I was more explicity thinking of mythbackend stuff |
| [18:51:31] | Jonny88: | yeah i'm geting a pvr150, should I go for one with remote or source a remote elsewhere? |
| [18:51:51] | justinh: | Jonny88: get the one with remote cos you get an IR blaster included |
| [18:52:27] | justinh: | sebrock: well, try to think of anything you've specifically customised other than the database ;) |
| [18:52:54] | justinh: | not that I'd even bother trying to record off virgin cable – their STBs are just too damn unreliable |
| [18:53:06] | justinh: | freeview ftw! |
| [18:53:12] | justinh: | and soon – freesat ftw! |
| [18:53:26] | Jonny88: | thanks, got freeview too, is that controlled in the same way? |
| [18:53:30] | justinh: | ffs /myth still isn't automounting |
| [18:53:35] | Jonny88: | freesat in the UK??? |
| [18:53:37] | justinh: | Jonny88: just get a pci DVB-T tuner |
| [18:54:03] | justinh: | Jonny88: yeah. not worth the effort now since not all channels you can get on freeview are free to air on freesat |
| [18:54:42] | Jonny88: | justinh: I heard that a DVB-T tuner won't have the encoding features of the PVR150 though, so puts more strain on the CPU? |
| [18:54:54] | justinh: | Jonny88: no, everything comes already mpeggy |
| [18:55:24] | justinh: | and in a future release of mythtv you'll be able to record more than one channel with a single DVB tuner! :D |
| [18:55:54] | justinh: | (as long as they're on the same multiplex, of course) |
| [18:56:06] | Jonny88: | justinh: sorry that was pretty stupid of me, does that mean not bother with the PVR150 or should I get both or the DVB-T as an extra? |
| [18:56:26] | justinh: | how much do you think you'll use cable channels you can't get for free, digitally over freeview? |
| [18:56:47] | justinh: | I found I was only ever recording mythbusters, and I can totally live without that |
| [18:57:23] | jduggan: | do channel4/5 plan to go fta? |
| [18:57:28] | justinh: | '24' was full of adverts, new simpsons was crap, then virgin ditched Sly One anyway |
| [18:57:35] | justinh: | jduggan: aye :) |
| [18:57:39] | justinh: | next year |
| [18:57:39] | jduggan: | wow |
| [18:57:44] | jduggan: | i wont pay for TV |
| [18:57:48] | jduggan: | :P |
| [18:57:51] | jduggan: | mythtv FTW |
| [18:58:03] | justinh: | and with ofcom's plan to cram more channels onto freeview, I'll be going to DVB-S next year |
| [18:58:23] | jduggan: | so invest in one dish, quad LNB one cable and some dvb-s cards |
| [18:58:26] | jduggan: | and you have great tv |
| [18:58:33] | jduggan: | for cheap |
| [18:58:36] | justinh: | aye |
| [18:58:45] | jduggan: | wow |
| [18:58:45] | jduggan: | :) |
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| [18:58:57] | jduggan: | i heard a whisper about channel4 HD |
| [18:59:01] | justinh: | why the hell isn't /myth being mounted by fstab at booty time? mount -a works just fine |
| [18:59:03] | jduggan: | is that on freesat? |
| [18:59:06] | justinh: | jduggan: yeah |
| [18:59:11] | jduggan: | FTA? |
| [18:59:13] | justinh: | so will ITV |
| [18:59:18] | justinh: | YEAH FTA |
| [18:59:22] | jduggan: | oh jesus |
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| [18:59:27] | ** jduggan semi orgasms ** | |
| [18:59:28] | bman: | for parental control, is it g=0, pg=1. pg-13=2, r=3, nc17=4? |
| [18:59:33] | Jonny88: | justinh: Erm, well to be honest I only watch ukgold on Virgin, everything else I had on freeview... Only got virgin becuase they forced me into it saying I had to buyout my contract when I moved house (had virgin for the net) |
| [18:59:33] | justinh: | none of the stupid FTV (needs card from SLY) card |
| [19:00:07] | iamlindoro: | bman, it runs 1–4 |
| [19:00:16] | jduggan: | ok, are there any decent dvb-s cards that do HD? |
| [19:00:22] | bman: | so g=1,pg=2,pg13=3,r=4? |
| [19:00:26] | iamlindoro: | and those levels don't map to ratings unless you install my patch from the dev list |
| [19:00:32] | justinh: | Jonny88: if I were you (which I'm not, and you have to be thankful for that) I'd just buy 2 or 3 freeview (DVB-T) tuners for now. they can be had for twenty quids each. no messing with ir blasters or worrying about the STB crashing either |
| [19:00:48] | bman: | jamlindoro: the patch hasn't been put into cvs yet? |
| [19:00:54] | justinh: | jduggan: they just pull suck the stream down the teat from the sat-nipple |
| [19:00:54] | iamlindoro: | bman, no |
| [19:01:05] | bman: | any reason other than issac hasn't gotten to it? |
| [19:01:07] | iamlindoro: | but it's trivial to apply if you go grab it |
| [19:01:11] | justinh: | no dvb card 'does' HD :) |
| [19:01:22] | bman: | DVB-t do HD |
| [19:01:28] | justinh: | no patches will be going into cvs. ever |
| [19:01:34] | justinh: | svn might be a different matter |
| [19:01:39] | jduggan: | justinh: so regular hauppauge dvb-s is fine, since it's streaming the already HD mpg to disk |
| [19:01:42] | jduggan: | ? |
| [19:01:50] | iamlindoro: | bman, there's probably a lot that could be improved about it like making it an option... the patch just hardcodes it as of right now |
| [19:01:51] | bman: | sorry, cvs, when I was working on stuff it was cvs. ;) |
| [19:01:53] | justinh: | jduggan: aye. as long as they don't switch to dvb-s2 |
| [19:02:07] | justinh: | jduggan: they're not likely to switch to s2 for ages |
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| [19:02:33] | justinh: | but dvb-s2 almost works in linux now, so that's less of a concern |
| [19:02:34] | jduggan: | i was half tempted to go the sat route for bbc/itv |
| [19:02:47] | jduggan: | i think i'll hang on untill 4/5 go fta |
| [19:03:03] | jduggan: | looks like UK is finally getting decent myth capable broadcasts |
| [19:03:05] | justinh: | the bitrates are way better than on freeview |
| [19:03:07] | jduggan: | :D |
| [19:03:08] | Jonny88: | justinh: hmm, sounds a good idea. Don't need more than one tuner though, if I want to watch another channel than I'm recording I'v got virgin and a freeview box. What DVB-T card would you recommend for mythtv compatability? |
| [19:03:31] | justinh: | Jonny88: just has to be one that works in linux. see www.linuxtv.org & their wiki |
| [19:03:47] | justinh: | Jonny88: and that's what I used to say. |
| [19:03:57] | ** justinh points to his backend with 3 dvb-t tuners inside ** | |
| [19:04:21] | jduggan: | hehe |
| [19:04:45] | justinh: | this all started out as a way of recording the StarTrek TNG reruns on BBC2 on my PC. hahahahaha |
| [19:04:56] | bman: | as long as you can get ota. :) My mythbox with 5 pchdtv cards has been sitting collecting dust since I moved a couple months ago. |
| [19:05:12] | justinh: | when it didn't work on windows for more than 5 mins at a time I ended up 'trying' mythtv. whoops |
| [19:06:06] | justinh: | after the "but MUHHHHH, it's LINUX!", and my old self was replaced by a linux-friendly person out of a pod, nice things started to happen & I suddenly didn't watch TV as it went out anymore :P |
| [19:06:35] | ** justinh blames the guy who made PyKaraoke. it's all his fault ** | |
| [19:06:58] | jduggan: | justinh: had you used linux before you messed with myth? |
| [19:07:08] | Jonny88: | justinh: well I've got into this because I store all my CDs as MP3 and play them off my PC, and now the PC and stereo live in different rooms... I was happy using amarok and winamp |
| [19:08:08] | justinh: | jduggan: yeah, kind of. I downloaded RH2, installed it, yelled at it a LOT, then changes screen res & broke X properly before giving up. 3 years later I was trying to patch a kernel to make my dvb-t tuner work on gentoo |
| [19:08:22] | justinh: | many late nights ensued |
| [19:09:23] | jduggan: | hehe |
| [19:09:37] | justinh: | oh and initially, when trying RH2 I somehow thought all linux was the same, so tried to make stuff work by using howtos for other distros. no dice |
| [19:10:07] | justinh: | wonder how many others fall into that trap |
| [19:10:31] | justinh: | linux == linux == linux, NO?! what do you mean NO?! ;) |
| [19:11:24] | justinh: | didn't bother with forum posts or IRC back then. when I was battling with 2.6.9 to make the dvb tuner work though.. oh lordy. the air was blue. so were some forums |
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| [19:13:02] | jduggan: | lol |
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| [20:00:13] | justinh: | now, back to this bloofin nfs mount |
| [20:01:30] | justinh: | got a sensible line in /etc/fstab – 192.168.1.10:/myth /myth nfs ro,rsize=8192 yet it doesn't mount at boot time. mount -a works though |
| [20:04:21] | justinh: | I could always just make a symlink in the nfsroot to the real directory |
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| [20:10:14] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
| [20:12:34] | ServerSage: | justinh: Are you doing your exports using IP or name? |
| [20:13:12] | ServerSage: | black_Nightmare_: Umm, he? |
| [20:13:16] | ServerSage: | hey rather... |
| [20:13:47] | justinh: | ServerSage: IP address |
| [20:14:15] | ServerSage: | justinh: /var/log/messages giving you any kind of nfs errors on the server when the other system tries to mount at boot? |
| [20:15:42] | justinh: | ServerSage: nope |
| [20:16:20] | ServerSage: | justinh: Boot order? Is NFS starting after the network or something strange? |
| [20:17:23] | justinh: | before the network would be strange ;) |
| [20:17:28] | justinh: | I don't think so |
| [20:17:39] | justinh: | it's nfsrooted anyway |
| [20:17:55] | ServerSage: | justinh: Hmmmm. |
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| [20:20:34] | justinh: | can't remember if I left nfs services alone |
| [20:21:41] | justinh: | I'll try rebooting, then see if /etc/init.d/nfs-common brings the mount up |
| [20:22:07] | justinh: | if it does, I'll apply the trout liberally |
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| [20:22:59] | justinh: | nope. hrm |
| [20:23:19] | justinh: | I could work around this any number of ways but that isn't the point |
| [20:24:11] | justinh: | erm.. in /etc/rc6.d portmap is starting after nfs-common |
| [20:24:38] | justinh: | and also after umountnfs |
| [20:26:26] | justinh: | sod it. just made a symlink in the nfsroot |
| [20:29:08] | justinh: | mmkay, so I think this weekend I shall mostly be stealing the case off the epia PoS :) |
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| [20:30:58] | gig: | Hi I am trying to get my ATI Remote Wonder to work, but when I plugg the usb receiver in, nothing does anything, the red light comes on, and I've checked all the logs, I don't see anything being detected, using the latest mythbuntu 7.10 |
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| [20:31:38] | black_Nightmare_: | gig – even tried another usb port out of curiousity? |
| [20:34:10] | gig: | black_Nightmare_, yeah same result |
| [20:34:46] | black_Nightmare_: | no idea then sorry |
| [20:34:50] | gig: | black_Nightmare_, i just want to know that mythbuntu is seeing it at least, then figure out how I can get a program to talk to it |
| [20:34:51] | justinh: | maybe try asking in #ubuntu-mythtv. they should know their mythbuntu-fu |
| [20:35:00] | black_Nightmare_: | used to have one of these (included in aiw box) but I really hate the card so...enough said ^_^ |
| [20:35:25] | justinh: | when it comes to remotes, linux generally doesn't just make stuff work automagically |
| [20:35:31] | black_Nightmare_: | if anyone somehow wants an aiw radeon they're free to send me the $ to get it :p |
| [20:35:53] | justinh: | who in their right mind? |
| [20:36:10] | justinh: | I had an AIT AIW card. it workded great. for about 20 minutes |
| [20:36:29] | gig: | justinh, i have asked no one seems to know.... but since it deals with lirc i figured someone hear would be able to help me with lirc |
| [20:36:34] | justinh: | V4W sucked, but WDM was no better |
| [20:36:47] | black_Nightmare_: | well the issue I have is with the performance-bloated drivers on window side aside to a bit of hardware limit so...likewise |
| [20:37:04] | gig: | at the very least tell me how i can show that linux is seeing it, and maybe how i can get lirc to talk with it |
| [20:37:04] | justinh: | gig: you at least have to load a driver module for it to be worky, I'm sure of that |
| [20:37:09] | black_Nightmare_: | have almost everything except the ati box (using a size-fits-anyway shoebox to store it for now) |
| [20:37:28] | justinh: | gig: there's a page about the ATI remote wonder in the mythtv wiki |
| [20:38:07] | justinh: | a long time ago I started tacking on "why it doesn't work" on the name of anything with 'wonder' at the end :P |
| [20:38:22] | gig: | justinh, i've found a bunch of pages, regarding ati remote wonder, but nothing i do seems to suggest to me that anything is found or working |
| [20:38:36] | justinh: | thankfully, I'm glad to report – apparently not the case with the remote wonder. it really does work in linux |
| [20:38:56] | justinh: | gig: lsusb will list any devices present on USB |
| [20:39:04] | black_Nightmare_: | still pondering (ever since I've been slowly rebuilding my pc now...to-follow custom pine wood case included) about that 3dfx tv card or not |
| [20:39:40] | justinh: | black_Nightmare_: it's almost certain it won't work in linux |
| [20:40:26] | justinh: | .. unless maybe it's just a tuner card – i.e. not one bolted onto a VGA card |
| [20:41:48] | justinh: | and even then it's bound to be a framegrabber. yuck |
| [20:42:12] | gig: | justinh, This is what it finds it as.... Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bc7:0004 X10 Wireless Technology, Inc. X10 Receiver |
| [20:42:22] | gig: | justinh, not even ATI |
| [20:42:28] | justinh: | that's common |
| [20:42:52] | justinh: | so that kinda proves it can be accessed on the USB |
| [20:43:07] | black_Nightmare_: | well I'm not certain at this point yet anyhow... picking up that sigma tv pci card at the recycler (if they still have it) to bridge to the existing tnt2 card I'm managing to use for now verus emailing ebay store to order the single 3dfx card .. or somehow a third option somewhere else |
| [20:43:16] | black_Nightmare_: | we'll just see whatever happens naturally I guess |
| [20:44:46] | justinh: | you just need to tell mythbuntu what sort of remote it is in the control center if I remember right |
| [20:44:51] | gig: | do i want ati/nvidia x.10 RF kernel or userspace? |
| [20:45:29] | justinh: | gig: no idea. er.. consult the mythbuntu documentation ? |
| [20:45:41] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm bit OT but anyone know if these xircom dongleless 56k or 56k+10baseT pccards were hardware based or ? |
| [20:46:05] | gig: | justinh, well how would i tell lirc to communicate with it |
| [20:46:44] | justinh: | gig: I don't know that much detail about how lirc is configured from the control center in mythbuntu but I think you can do it all from there |
| [20:48:47] | justinh: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3919036 |
| [20:49:58] | justinh: | heheh they also link to the mythtv wiki article |
| [20:50:14] | justinh: | looks like you don't want the user space module |
| [20:52:30] | justinh: | I really wish something could be done about lirc |
| [20:53:25] | directhex: | setting it on fire? |
| [20:54:13] | justinh: | even its ash would be a PITA |
| [20:54:21] | justinh: | lirc_serial isn't too bad |
| [20:54:37] | justinh: | IF you manage to get setserial to do your bidding |
| [20:54:42] | justinh: | IF irrecord works |
| [20:55:18] | justinh: | well, making a symlink to /myth in the nfsroot didn't work either. too many levels of symlinks. bah! |
| [20:55:23] | directhex: | i'm not sure why lirc needs to use kernel modules as standard |
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| [20:58:16] | justinh: | arghhh ffs this is just silly |
| [20:59:34] | justinh: | /myth isn't mounted at boot but mount -a does it. w t F?! |
| [20:59:40] | justinh: | sod it. won't harm to put the mount command in rc.local |
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| [21:03:51] | justinh: | now it mounts. the bastard |
| [21:05:07] | Daviey: | "justinh the queen of hackish methods" :D |
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| [21:09:35] | Nightcrlr: | anyone here running a DVB-s myth system? |
| [21:09:59] | AriX_: | anyone in here using a mac mini? :P |
| [21:10:21] | AriX_: | Nightcrlr: What's DVB-s stand for? I probably am not, cause I don't know what it is :P |
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| [21:13:43] | Nightcrlr: | <AriX_> Digital Video Broadcasting- Satellite |
| [21:14:09] | Jonny88: | anybody got experiance with the Thermaltake Bach case and its VFD? How is it in mythtv? |
| [21:14:28] | Nightcrlr: | <AriX_> DVB-s are the type of tuners i'm use to recieve fta channels |
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| [21:20:51] | black_Nightmare_: | what...is this? http://th99.80x86.ru/i/M-O/54365.htm I never heard of such card and to think that was from matrox |
| [21:21:03] | black_Nightmare_: | <<had been looking up something else and noticed that one for some reason |
| [21:21:30] | AriX_: | Nightcrlr: Sorry, I'm using Cable via FireWire :( |
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| [21:21:46] | AriX_: | also when responding to someone, don't do <AriX_> do AriX: |
| [21:21:51] | AriX_: | when you do <AriX_> |
| [21:21:57] | AriX_: | it looks like you're quoting me :P |
| [21:22:50] | Nightcrlr: | sorry, use to doing it in other channels |
| [21:23:33] | directhex: | AriX_, what's wrong with your mac mini? O_o |
| [21:23:57] | AriX_: | directhex: I'm having video card woes :( |
| [21:24:05] | AriX_: | as well as remote woes |
| [21:24:17] | AriX_: | although I think I've almost got lirc down |
| [21:24:24] | AriX_: | irxevent is nice :) |
| [21:24:45] | directhex: | video card woes? gma950 getting you down? |
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| [21:25:15] | ** black_Nightmare_ would had rather picked the radeon 9200 model instead but thats just me :p ** | |
| [21:27:50] | directhex: | black_Nightmare_, the mac mini only has intel onboard |
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| [21:31:04] | black_Nightmare_: | directhex..umm look up the complete generation list and come back :p |
| [21:31:58] | directhex: | who gives a shit about antique ppc mac minis? |
| [21:32:45] | ** black_Nightmare_ smacks you ** | |
| [21:33:53] | AriX_: | back sorry |
| [21:34:02] | AriX_: | directhex: intel card displays nothing :( |
| [21:34:05] | AriX_: | *intel driver |
| [21:34:12] | AriX_: | and neither does i810 |
| [21:34:23] | AriX_: | I'm using vesa at 640x480 :/ |
| [21:34:42] | AriX_: | I'm on ubuntu 7.10 with a dvi to dvi cord |
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| [21:36:18] | directhex: | if you ssh in, does xrandr show anything? |
| [21:36:33] | AriX_: | what's xrandr? |
| [21:36:38] | AriX_: | I'll do that now :) |
| [21:37:11] | AriX_: | actually I can't do that right now |
| [21:37:20] | AriX_: | it's not connected, and I'm supposed to be doing hw :P |
| [21:37:43] | justinh: | Daviey: so if it wasn't being mounted in fstab but the nfsroot was, what do you reckon was up widdit hmm? |
| [21:37:49] | AriX_: | But I'll be able to do it later..... what does it do? |
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| [21:38:20] | justinh: | I know my way is a hackish workaround – I'd rather not do it but I don't want to spend til xmas working out wtf was up |
| [21:38:23] | AriX_: | aww man :( |
| [21:38:43] | justinh: | man xrandr, AriX_ |
| [21:38:54] | Daviey: | justinh: no idea! esp. if mount -a works |
| [21:39:07] | AriX_: | yay I have a manual entry for xrandr on my mac too :P |
| [21:39:13] | AriX_: | ah... |
| [21:40:13] | justinh: | AriX_: what 'woes' are you having? |
| [21:40:49] | justinh: | xrandr allows you to do fancy things with the video hardware, like setting modes, changing other stuff like tvout settings (where allowed) etc |
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| [21:41:01] | AriX_: | when I first started the livecd of 7.10, it loaded ubuntu and gave me a completely blank screen |
| [21:41:13] | AriX_: | and my tv said "video 7" (which means it wasn't getting any input) |
| [21:41:25] | justinh: | how's the tv connected? |
| [21:41:30] | AriX_: | the only way I could get it to work was using the safe graphics mode, which uses vesa instead of intel |
| [21:41:31] | justinh: | svideo/dvi/vga/que ? |
| [21:41:34] | AriX_: | dvi |
| [21:41:39] | AriX_: | on both ends |
| [21:41:57] | justinh: | probably trying to use a mode by default which your TV doesn't like |
| [21:42:07] | AriX_: | hmm |
| [21:42:14] | AriX_: | well, I tried mucking with my xorg.conf file |
| [21:42:21] | black_Nightmare_: | it would had displayed "out of sync" then unless the maker was too cheap to even make a real input board |
| [21:42:22] | justinh: | I'll not be any use with DVI issues having never (yet) used it |
| [21:42:29] | black_Nightmare_: | my two old tvs do that |
| [21:42:37] | justinh: | black_Nightmare_: no guarantee of that, or anything else |
| [21:42:57] | AriX_: | it was from when hdtvs were just getting started |
| [21:42:58] | AriX_: | no HDMI |
| [21:43:00] | justinh: | look in the Xorg.log :) |
| [21:43:14] | AriX_: | where's that? in /etc/X11 as well? |
| [21:43:17] | justinh: | less /var/log/X, then press TAB :P |
| [21:43:31] | AriX_: | ok thanks |
| [21:43:35] | AriX_: | I'll try that and xrandr |
| [21:43:59] | justinh: | if you use 'xrandr' on its own it should spit out some basic info about the connected display(s) |
| [21:44:16] | justinh: | if you do it over ssh though you'll have to export DISPLAY first |
| [21:44:22] | justinh: | e.g. export DISPLAY=:0 |
| [21:44:26] | AriX_: | ah ok |
| [21:44:35] | AriX_: | thanks a lot |
| [21:44:44] | justinh: | I think you can also do DISPLAY=:0 xrandr |
| [21:45:02] | justinh: | heh no |
| [21:45:03] | AriX_: | whatever works ;) |
| [21:45:33] | justinh: | I'm good friends with xrandr now. had to get that way to make my intel tvout work in PAL mode |
| [21:45:45] | justinh: | then had to hack the driver but that's a long, long story on its own |
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| [21:50:52] | iamlindoro_: | i would so rather have DVI over HDMI any day |
| [21:51:56] | justinh: | there's not much to decide between them |
| [21:52:04] | justinh: | both can be crippled with HDCP |
| [21:52:06] | AriX_: | justinh, you've got mac mini? |
| [21:52:25] | justinh: | AriX_: no. very similar hardware though. AOpen i945GMm-HL |
| [21:52:32] | AriX_: | ah got it |
| [21:52:50] | AriX_: | OK I'm going to switch wireless networks so I can ssh to macmini |
| [21:52:55] | AriX_: | brb |
| [21:52:56] | justinh: | maybe one day some kind person will buy me one :P |
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| [21:53:34] | ** justinh switches to using only 'Internal' for video & doovde playback ** | |
| [21:53:50] | justinh: | time will tell if spdif works properly |
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| [21:55:44] | AriX_: | ok, now wha'ts the IP address.. |
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| [21:56:15] | AriX_: | 10.0.2.8 |
| [21:56:55] | AriX_: | hmm. |
| [21:56:56] | AriX_: | Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 640 x 480, maximum 640 x 480 |
| [21:56:56] | AriX_: | default connected 640x480+0+0 0mm x 0mm |
| [21:56:56] | AriX_: | 640x480 86.0* |
| [21:57:01] | AriX_: | that's what xrandr says |
| [21:57:19] | AriX_: | justinh: Do you have a PayPal? :P |
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| [21:58:12] | justinh: | arghhH! SPDIF makes a weird noise! |
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| [22:00:02] | AriX_: | dammit I REALLY have to study |
| [22:00:05] | AriX_: | I'll do more of this later |
| [22:00:07] | AriX_: | thanks for your help |
| [22:03:07] | justinh: | np |
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| [23:10:01] | justinh: | well well well.. new frontend is ready for casing at the weekend :) |
| [23:10:21] | jduggan: | :( |
| [23:10:22] | jduggan: | show off |
| [23:11:00] | justinh: | remains to be seen if it'll run cool enough in that LC02 case though |
| [23:11:06] | justinh: | should do |
| [23:11:18] | justinh: | more so than an athlon XP anyway :P |
| [23:11:24] | jduggan: | hah |
| [23:11:40] | jduggan: | a microwave oven runs cooler |
| [23:11:55] | justinh: | peak temp with the cpu fan turned all the way down reached 55'C IIRC, both cores maxed out |
| [23:12:10] | justinh: | cpu usage with sdtv mpeg2 is like 10% |
| [23:12:31] | justinh: | reckon that's as good as fanless til I get de hud |
| [23:12:47] | justinh: | what a frickin waste of a decent cpu! |
| [23:15:21] | jduggan: | hehe |
| [23:15:30] | jduggan: | atleast your myth compiles are fairly quick |
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| [23:20:50] | justinh: | not even time to make a cuppa :D |
| [23:21:01] | justinh: | time for bed |
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