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Monday, December 10th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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mzb_d800:

either way, under the homedir of the user you are running the fe as will have ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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olsta:

yes

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mzb_d800:

AND there may also be one in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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olsta:

no

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mzb_d800:

not to worry

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olsta:

another where the BE is the Fe work there

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mzb_d800:

root is a very confusing name to use ... but either way

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mzb_d800:

you need to have privileges set on the mythconverg table for *THAT* user (and from *THAT* host ... or *ALL* hosts)

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mzb_d800:

AND flush privileges!

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mzb_d800:

all can be done in phpmyadmin

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olsta:

can you help me?

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olsta:

i log to phpmyadmin

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skub:

i can advice you how you do it on console...

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olsta:

k

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skub:

ssh to BE as root

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olsta:

k

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skub:

mysql -p

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skub:

and enter root's mysql password

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skub:

ok so far?

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olsta:

yes

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skub:

use mythconverg

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skub:

wait, have to look the command

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olsta:

what?

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skub:

grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'%' identified by 'PASSWORD'

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skub:

take same password as in mysql.txt

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mzb_d800:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2004-July/047733.html

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mzb_d800:

then flush

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skub:

and then flush ;)

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olsta:

what mean flush?

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mzb_d800:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/adding-users.html

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mzb_d800:

ie: FLUSH PRIVILEGES;

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skub:

hm, for whatever reason, "FLUSH PRIVILEGES;" dont works on my sqlserver...

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skub:

who cares, if in doubt, simply restart mysql-server

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olsta:

hmm

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olsta:

i will not work

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mzb_d800:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

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mzb_d800:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV#Set . . . ial_database

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olsta:

mysql -u root mythconverg

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olsta:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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mzb_d800:

that is *NOT* what you are trying to do

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mzb_d800:

you are trying to get a remote frontend to talk to the mysql database

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mzb_d800:

right?

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NOT_guru:

olsta

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mzb_d800:

have a think about what you're trying to do

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NOT_guru:

you set a root password for your sql ?

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Daviey:

mysql -u mythtv *-p*

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olsta:

NOT_guru: yes

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NOT_guru:

sudo or su?

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olsta:

stop

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NOT_guru:

no

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olsta:

i set a root pw for mysql

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NOT_guru:

yes

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olsta:

mysql -p

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NOT_guru:

mysql -u root -p mythconverg

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olsta:

i do this after su

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NOT_guru:

or what have you

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NOT_guru:

you are correct sir

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NOT_guru:

give the man a cigar

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olsta:

thx

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olsta:

:D

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NOT_guru:

no prob man

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olsta:

but what you mean?

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Solv:

does anyone know what the percentage of cpu load is for a backend vs a frontend...reason being i have just one system currently doing frontend/backend...and I was thinking about getting the Zonbu mini desktop to use as a frontend...which is quite light on in regards to spec, but if the backend did most of the work, it wouldn't be a problem i reckon

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cccp:

use "top" to see how much they use

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Solv:

cccp, would the backend and frontend processes be listed seprately?

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cccp:

yes

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Solv:

hmmmm...it seems the backend is hardly doing anything...5 or 6%, but the frontend is pushing 35%

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olsta:

i will go to sleep, thx all for your great help

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olsta:

n8

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mzb_d800:

Solv: I'm a big fan of gkrellm ... on the host you want to watch install gkrellmd, and on your workstation install gkrellm .... execute it with $ gkrellm -s REMOTEHOST &

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Solv:

mzb_d800, ta man

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Solv:

actually...i'm just looking for a small form factor silent pc i can run as a frontend...using either mythbuntu or knoppmyth...I saw a Zonbu, but have now seen others around like fitpc....anyone got something for $300 or less that fits the bill?

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mzb_d800:

handy way of looking at *everything* at once ;)

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mzb_d800:

err ... I can't help with new stuff ... I've used scrap for my mythtv network ... total cost ~au$70 ;)

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mzb_d800:

=> machines mounted under the floor, home built IR receivers, etc

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Solv:

nice...yeah I am running an old pentium 4 box in my chestofdrawers which has a little cupboard in the middle...perfect size...put a silent cpu fan on and it is quite good...but i wanna free it up elsewhere in the house to use as a thin client server, and a backend, and us e a nice silent small box as a frontend...

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Sedorox:

has anyone come across slanted video before? the only thing I know of that changed is comcast adding filters on the line as I went to limited basic cable.. regular TV seems to work fine, but anything recorded/"live" comes up slanted

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mokkan:

hey, i'm having some problems getting my video capture card working with mythtv... it keeps saying that all available inputs are being used when i click 'watch tv'

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mokkan:

i added the capture card with mythtv-setup (after shutting down mythbackend)..

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mokkan:

and cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg yields results

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xris:

did you attach a listings source to the card in mythtv-setup?

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mokkan:

hm, i dont think so

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mokkan:

is that what that schedules direct stuff is?

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xris:

SD is one of the options (pretty much the only one for the US), yes

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xris:

you need to set up a listings source (basically a list of channels and "what's on when"), and then attach it to your video card.

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LotharTBL:

hello there

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LotharTBL:

quick question and I'll be on my way.. (maybe)

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LotharTBL:

mythbackendSession management error: Could not open network socket

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LotharTBL:

any ideas?

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LotharTBL:

I tried shutting it down and doing a netstat -a -p -n and nothing else is on the ports

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LotharTBL:

hmm no one home eh? I'll try later I suppose

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Mikey7047:

Hi I have a new mythbuntu install and everything is working fine except for my private messages, I am using a PVR-150 and the picture quality is terrible.

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BULLE:

Mikey7047: and what recording settings have you choosen for your pvr 150 then ?

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BULLE:

Mikey7047: what resolution, and what bitrate ?

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Mikey7047:

Let me check I will bring the setup back up

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Mikey7047:

Okay I found it, the resolution is 720x480 and the bitrate is 6000

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Mikey7047:

I had moved the bitrate up when this problem happened, I didn't know the correct bitrates for the card

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Mikey7047:

But it didn't seem to affect the picture quality at all

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Mikey7047:

Bulle: Just to make sure I have these settings correct, it should be set as an MPEG-2 Hardware Encoder, with Stream Type as MPEG-2 PS?

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lightning:

2x now on different days, i'll be watching tv and have mythtv stop showing the live tv stream, just frozen. Upon exit, the frontend complains the backend is not running, and indeed it is dead. I see the tuning to my channel then "mpeg error: error getting codec params using old ivtv ioctl eno: bad address (14)", then have a "finished recording" and nothing more

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lightning:

ideas

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lightning:

?

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LotharTBL:

quick question and I'll be on my way.. (maybe)

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LotharTBL:

mythbackendSession management error: Could not open network socket

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LotharTBL:

I ran just the mythbackend and it cleared the error however when I run mythtv-backend start it dosn't seem to actually start

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LotharTBL:

no process in ps ax |grep myth

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LotharTBL:

when I run mythtv-backend stop it says nothing to stop

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BULLE:

Mikey7047: yes, and use 720x480 or 720x576 and a bitrate of say 3–6mbit

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Mikey7047:

Bulle: Okay my settings are correct then and the picture quality is still terrible, can you think of any other reasons this would happen?

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kdubya:

it will never be as good as going strait to your TV

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Mikey7047:

No it's terrible though, I had this installed a while back with the same card and it worked fine, now it's unbearable

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kdubya:

there is an extra analog to digital conversion that degrades the picture

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kdubya:

oh

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Mikey7047:

Which is why I am unsure why this is happening, since I had it working before and had followed the same install stuff, minus the ivtv installation, which I kind of just winged this time since I couldn't find a good guide

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Mikey7047:

I figured it out I guess I had the wrong channel frequency set ><

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Mikey7047:

still not great, but alot better

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kdubya:

heh

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Der_Thomas:

anyone around that can help me out with mythweb?

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xris:

possibly

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Der_Thomas:

I just keep getting "The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. Either the server is overloaded or there was an error in a CGI script."

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Der_Thomas:

Error 500

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xris:

check your apache logs

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Der_Thomas:

looks like this could be a problem:

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Der_Thomas:

/srv/www/htdocs/mythweb/.htaccess: Invalid command 'se

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Der_Thomas:

tenv', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration

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xris:

looks like you need the mod_env module..

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xris:

most distros these days include it built into apache itself.

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Der_Thomas:

OK, yeah I added it to /etc/apache2/sysconfig.d/loadmodules.conf

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xris:

what distro are you using?

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Der_Thomas:

Hmmm, my changes are not there now, I must have forgot to hit save...

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Der_Thomas:

opensuse 10.2

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xris:

annoying that they don't compile in standard modules like that

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xris:

pretty sure I put all of that into the docs, though

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Der_Thomas:

Ah ha! well I've improved, now I have access forbidden!

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Der_Thomas:

error 403

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xris:

keep looking at the apache logs

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Der_Thomas:

yeah

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Der_Thomas:

Apache error log: Directory index forbidden by Options directive: /srv/www/htdocs/mythweb/

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Der_Thomas:

make any sense to you?

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xris:

yeah. read the docs/readme

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xris:

keyword AllowOverride

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Der_Thomas:

hmm, yeah the package I installed already put that in for me

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xris:

apparently not

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Der_Thomas:

haha

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Der_Thomas:

right

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xris:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . thweb/README

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xris:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . .conf.apache

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xris:

try those

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xris:

they'll work with .20.x

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Der_Thomas:

cool

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xris:

I really should have just rolled those into .20.2

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Der_Thomas:

hey, how do I get that mythweb.conf.apache as a file?

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xris:

link at the bottom of the page

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Der_Thomas:

damn, Thanks

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** xris digs open source software... with the authors hanging out in IRC and everything. :) **

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Der_Thomas:

haha

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Der_Thomas:

yes me too!

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kdubya:

how do you not go insane

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kdubya:

helping people with the same crap

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xris:

kdubya: who says I'm not?

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kdubya:

Oh.

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xris:

heh

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xris:

probably the same reason I write software for free

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Der_Thomas:

xris, any idea why my loadmodule.conf keeps being over written?

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xris:

Der_Thomas: maybe suse has some other way to manage the config files and you should be using it instead?

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xris:

I don't know much about suse

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Der_Thomas:

I think that I had to stop apache then edit then restart...

[04:44:54]

Der_Thomas:

ummm, no, every time I restart apache it over write it... hmm

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Der_Thomas:

OMG, .etc/sysconfig/apache2

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Der_Thomas:

YES!! I got it!!

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Der_Thomas:

Welcome to MythWeb!

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xris:

:)

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Der_Thomas:

thanks for the hand holding Xris

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Der_Thomas:

don't know why I didn't think of checking the damn logs...

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xris:

I just added that as a FAQ in the mythweb readme

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Der_Thomas:

cool

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Der_Thomas:

BTW, I think that I was reading an old version of the readme. It suggests a much different mythtv.conf: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . thweb/README

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Der_Thomas:

and tha tis what Suse had put in that file from their RPM

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

I gave you the one that will go into .21

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xris:

it just happens to work fine with .20

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xris:

I put a lot of work about 6–9 months ago into making things easier to config

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Der_Thomas:

The redme is a little weird though, it says to make sure that the AllowOverride is set per directions above, but above it tells you to go to the INSTALL file

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Der_Thomas:

so that is where I had to go. Maybe just a minor bit of word smithing there would make it a little easier to understand

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Der_Thomas:

XRIS, THANKS FOR YOUR HARD WORK

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xris:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

Man , trac tickets grow like weeds

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Der_Thomas:

this is VERY cool BTW

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emily_:

ok i have mythtv front end and backend working on two different machines...they connect..but I'm thinking i missed something. Will the backend stream my .avi videos the the front end?

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xris:

emily_: mythvideo and the other plugins only live in the frontend.

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xris:

the backend is just tv.

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emily_:

xris: aaaah. So if I want to watch .avi recordings and such I have to smbmount the drive?

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xris:

or use nfs..

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xris:

you can plug it into automount/autofs or your fstab if you don't want to mount things by hand all the time

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emily_:

xris: so it won't stream my avis and music through the web?

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kdubya:

nfs+mythvideo for the avi's

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xris:

you can do a little of that with mythweb.. that's the "web" portion of mythtvb

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Der_Thomas:

emily, myth will stream your recordings over ethernet, but not otehr .avi's etc.

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emily_:

Der_Thomas: got it..thanks!

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Der_Thomas:

emily, this si bvecause the pluging that plays avi lives on the frontend

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emily_:

hmmm

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emily_:

so if you're not gonna do recording u don't need a backend and I just wasted my evening lol

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emily_:

nice. :-p typical for me :-)

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xris:

mythtv doesn't work so well for "not for tv"

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emily_:

xris: really?

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emily_:

xris: what about dvd ripping and transcoding?

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xris:

well, it's just not easy to remove all of the TV parts of it

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xris:

mythvideo (formerly mythdbd) should do that.. I don't use it.. I have a dvd player.

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kdubya:

isnt the standard thing to say to people that do not want the TV stuff

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kdubya:

use freevo

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emily_:

freevo? I've always thought myth was by far the best

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xris:

I thought that freevo only did tv

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xris:

I think myth may be the best for video/music stuff.. it's just a little weird to ignore the TV side of things

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emily_:

xris: well idn't want to ingore tv

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Trot:

At me the file tv_play is very long compiled, it normally?

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Kazan:

haha i think i may have found my lockup issue

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Kazan:

2007-12–09 23:24:56.076 [ac3 @ 0x1a5d000]frame sync error

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Kazan:

2007-12–09 23:24:56.076 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!

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defaultro:

hey folks, I forgot which tool can display a range of number in console

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defaultro:

./sometool 1 10

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defaultro:

then it will display 1 to 10 per row

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GreyFoxx:

seq

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defaultro:

ah :D

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defaultro:

let me try

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defaultro:

yep

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defaultro:

thanks buddy

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Kazan:

hey defaultro

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Kazan:

did you see the copy+paste above

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defaultro:

what?

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Kazan:

when frontend seizes up

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Kazan:

it's spamming it's logs with "audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!"

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defaultro:

oh

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Kazan:

any ideas?

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Kazan:

i'm using a Turtle Beach card

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Kazan:

i have an SB Live! i can toss in instead

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defaultro:

sometimes it's not really the card

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defaultro:

like my experience, was my fault

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Kazan:

?

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defaultro:

I set NvAGP to 1 and everything went south

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Kazan:

haha

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defaultro:

that's in xorg.conf

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Kazan:

hmm

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Kazan:

i have that set

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defaultro:

and I got tons of audio lost in fe

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Kazan:

maybe i should turn it off and let the default driver take over?

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defaultro:

then I should not have modified it. I should have set it back to default which was 3

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defaultro:

after setting it back to 3, everything was heaven

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Kazan:

kk

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Kazan:

*sets to three then restarts x*

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defaultro:

nvidia card was affecting performance

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defaultro:

so it can be anything

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Kazan:

right now i'm not using XvMC

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defaultro:

GreyFoxx, here is what I wrote and why I needed seq.

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defaultro:

for i in `seq 1 100`;do echo "exec sp_obfuscate_tbl @MinValue=`expr $i \* 100000`, @MaxValue=`expr $i \* 100000 + $i \* 10000`";done;

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defaultro:

i'm not using xvmc either

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defaultro:

i'm just being lazy typing today :D

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** MaverickTech has recently gone away from using XvMC, and is having a more stable experience **

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Kazan:

we have good signs defaultro :D

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defaultro:

about?

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Kazan:

defaultro: i had a certain recording i could reliably seize frontend up with by doing two ten minutes skips

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Kazan:

it survived 5 ten minute skips and i hit pause

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defaultro:

ok

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Kazan:

MaverickTech: not using XvMC at this moment for the posibility that it was the cause of the instability

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defaultro:

what video card are you using?

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mchou:

Kazan: which turtle beach card is ththis> (lspci)

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mchou:

this?*

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Kazan:

sec

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Kazan:

ooh

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Kazan:

now i'm getting a studder

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Kazan:

went away

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Kazan:

00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)

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mchou:

Kazan: ouch

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Kazan:

kill it and put my SB Live in?

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Kazan:

someone recommended turtle beach to me

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Kazan:

someone in chan...

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Kazan:

oh crap

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Kazan:

there goes the seize up

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mchou:

Kazan: the cmedia chip has some "issues"

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Kazan:

like... causing this...

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Kazan:

2007-12–09 23:54:36.084 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!

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Kazan:

2007-12–09 23:54:36.084 [ac3 @ 0x513a000]frame sync error

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mchou:

well, that part is not clear

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mchou:

that may or may not be the sound chip issue

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Kazan:

in about 10 minutes when my last recording for the night is finished i'll pull it and put my emu10k1 in

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mchou:

you probably wont lose much by trying the SB card

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mchou:

are you using HW encode or SW encode?

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mchou:

cause it says NVP

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Kazan:

HW

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Kazan:

PVR-150, PVR-500, Kworld ATSC 110

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Kazan:

source of that recording was the ATSC 110

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mchou:

ok

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Kazan:

using libmpeg2 for decoding right now

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Kazan:

i'll turn xvmc back on here

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mchou:

this happens for all recordings?

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Kazan:

only HD

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Kazan:

and only certain ones

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mchou:

nono, turn xvmc off for now

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Kazan:

this one is 720p with 5:1 audio – happens

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mchou:

what's speed CPU you got?

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MaverickTech:

Kazan: I was getting a lot of grief with DVD playback, but that's gone away now that I have moved away from XvMC

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Kazan:

1080i stereo it doesn't

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Kazan:

i am having DVD playback problems as well

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Kazan:

i am using Xine for playback because of it

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Kazan:

but then i still have lots of grief

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MaverickTech:

I have not been able to make a video rule set that would have recordings and DVD use a different renderer

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Kazan:

wife went to watch Hairspray (ugh) and couldn't, some nasty copy protection bollocks

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mchou:

really??

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Kazan:

yup

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mchou:

Hairspray is DRM protected?

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Kazan:

yup

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MaverickTech:

Kazan: no problems with DVD since I turned of XvMC

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Kazan:

has a little logo on the freaking case it turns out

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Kazan:

hiding very small on the back

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mchou:

no kidding

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Kazan:

no kiding

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Kazan:

i can barely read the text

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mchou:

can you scan or take a photo of the logo for me pls?

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MaverickTech:

only DVD problem I have left is menus are screwy in 16:9 on 4:3 screen, I have to change the zoom to make them work aok

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Kazan:

ThisDVD is copy protected and may be played only on licensed devices

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mchou:

I wanna see what the stupid logo looks like so I can avoid it

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Kazan:

powerDVD did it fine

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Kazan:

it's tiny

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Kazan:

you couldn't have seen it with the shrink wrap on because of the outer paperboard casing

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mchou:

lol

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Kazan:

lemme see if the paperboard casing has it on it too

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mchou:

that's grounds for return right there

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Kazan:

yes it does

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Kazan:

the fact that it probably doesn't comply to DVD standards is grounds for a lawsuit

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mchou:

paperboard casing has logo?

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Kazan:

yes

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mchou:

damn

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MaverickTech:

is it a s(ph)ony DVD ?

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mchou:

then you probably cant return

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Kazan:

aye

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Kazan:

bought from amazon

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Kazan:

it doesn't comply to specs

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MaverickTech:

maybe sony has upgraded from rootkits to little stickers ;o

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mchou:

but you can exchange for a non DRM one

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Kazan:

only if they make them

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mchou:

if they dont make them then you can return :)

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Kazan:

this dvd was an aniversary present to the wife

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mchou:

sigh....

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mchou:

that sux

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Kazan:

aye

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mchou:

is that from sony?

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mchou:

I mean hairspray dvd

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Kazan:

new line

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mchou:

newline is owned by time warner

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Kazan:

big suprise

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

I mean it wouldnt have been a surprise if it was sony

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Kazan:

find me a media company that isn't run by self-important @#$$%@s

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mchou:

time warner is actually surprising to me

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mchou:

you know, there is another way around this

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Kazan:

dvd rip

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mchou:

balame amazon

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Kazan:

heh

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mchou:

blame*

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mchou:

no, I'm being serious

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Kazan:

?

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mchou:

did amazon say on the web page it's DRM?

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Kazan:

probably not

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mchou:

cause there is no way you could have seen any packaging if you got it via mail order......

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Kazan:

aye

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Kazan:

file a complaint

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mchou:

nah, just return to amazon

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mchou:

headache over :)

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mchou:

amazon and new line both get fsck'd

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Kazan:

see previously stated reason for purchasing and allowing such a garbage movie in my house

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Kazan:

you see any mention of DRM? http://www.amazon.com/Hairspray-Widescreen-Jo . . . 6&sr=1-3

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mchou:

Kazan: no, I'm sure you can find the SO something else more meaningful :)

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Kazan:

i just added "drm infected" and "drm" tags

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Kazan:

she wanted it badly

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mchou:

no, I dont see any mention of DRM on that link

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mchou:

I dunno

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mchou:

If it were me I'd get the wife a replacement.

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Kazan:

brb swapping audio cards

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mchou:

aint compromising on DRM crap

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MaverickTech:

a search on Doom9's forum turned up some discussion re: Hairspray and DRM

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MaverickTech:

it's even wigging out on some low end consumer DVD players

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mchou:

MaverickTech: that part actually doesnt surprise me

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mchou:

MaverickTech: it's not a "real" DVD

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mchou:

that's why I say just return it and let amazon & new line sleep in their own beds

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mchou:

there is just no excuse for that DRM garbage

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mchou:

I think the more firmly consumers vote with the pocketbook the better these DRM encumbered corporations understand the impact to the bottom line :)

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Kazan:

back

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Kazan:

my wife understands vaguely that DRM=bad

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Kazan:

but she doesn't understand the magnitudes of it's badness

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mchou:

Kazan: she will :)

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Kazan:

she can't.. most techie thing she ever did was manage to build a webpage

[06:21:44]

Kazan:

and assemble her computer with me supervising

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mchou:

when she finds out her TV doesnt display certain DVDs :)

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Kazan:

eh.. right now she blames the mythbox because WAF is very low with it being unstable recently

[06:22:12]

Kazan:

plus we've ALWAYS had problems with DVDs on the mythbox

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Kazan:

always

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mchou:

well, use an appliance DVD palyer to make that point then :)

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MaverickTech:

try DVD without XvMC, working well for me now, as I said

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Kazan:

they would play this disk fine

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Kazan:

if libdvdnav would simply completely implement all the little instructions like "skip this" "jump here" etc...

[06:23:01]

Kazan:

powerdvd was able to read the disk

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Kazan:

this "DRM" they put on DVDs that are still able to play on "licensed players" relies on the fact that most unlicensed players don't bother to implement the entire standard

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mchou:

umm, dude, it's also possible your comp dvd player has bad firmware

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Kazan:

?

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Kazan:

the dvd player in the mythbox?

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mchou:

I know my memorex dvd writer has bad firmware

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Kazan:

or in the laptop?

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Kazan:

i've had problems with DVD playback on the mythbox with atleast 3 different drives i've put into it

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mchou:

it never plays a dvd all the way thru

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Kazan:

oh.. it's only certain DVDs it dislikes

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Kazan:

mwaha

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Kazan:

00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08)

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mchou:

the memorex drive is also a POS I'd like to return

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Kazan:

well

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Kazan:

fsck()

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Kazan:

that didn't fix it

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mchou:

It does data great, but movie dvds are useless

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mchou:

fsck is not a function call :)

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Kazan:

it is when i use it to replace another word

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mchou:

well, like I said, it may or may not have been the sound chip :)

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mchou:

but you might as well use the SB instead of the cmedia

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mchou:

now that it is in the box

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Kazan:

aye

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Kazan:

i had "agp=off" in boot options

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Kazan:

so nvagp still may have been asserting

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Kazan:

just removed it from boot options and rebooting the machine

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mchou:

does mythweather work any more??

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Kazan:

yes it does

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mchou:

I get a whole bunch of Weatherobject() crap in my mythweather UI

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Kazan:

it's just a pain to get working because you have to hand resolve any missing dependancies for it's scripts

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Kazan:

oh... and i think your UI has to support the mythweather-revamp

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mchou:

mythweather revamp?

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mchou:

when did this happen?

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Kazan:

it's in trunk

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mchou:

I'm using 20.2 and GANT, shouldnt that work?

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Kazan:

hmm

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Kazan:

i dunno the status of old mythweather

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Kazan:

well

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Kazan:

i'm off to bed

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Kazan:

more attempts to debug this tommorow

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Kazan:

i've significantly improved overall system performance

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mchou:

ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/lib/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (373)QDate::setYMD: Invalid date 0000-00–00

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Kazan:

so now it's just this bug to kill

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Kazan:

wife is calling from bed :P

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mr|venm:

Is it possible to disable the "video information" window so you don't have to hit "enter" an extra time before the video loads in the player? The window I'm referring to is: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:VideoSelect.jpg

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javatexan:

I have a question about irblaster

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javatexan:

i noticed that my cable STB has a IR port in the back, is there a way for me/mythtv to take advantage of that?

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mchou:

javatexan: does your cable stb have a firewire port or serial port?

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javatexan:

1394...yeah

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javatexan:

it also has a usb port its the scientific atlantic 8300 HDC

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mr|venm:

Is it possible to disable the "video information" window so you don't have to hit "enter" an extra time before the video loads in the player? The window I'm referring to is: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:VideoSelect.jpg

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justinh:

oh ffs mythnews.com. it has not been categorically stated yet that 0.21 will be released in February

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justinh:

maybe www.mythconjecture.com would be a better URL

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Yahooadam:

404

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Yahooadam:

:p

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Yahooadam:

actually not 404

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** Yahooadam slaps himself and sticks with his original comment **

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justinh:

it's rather fitting that mythtvnews.com has the facility to digg items. not to be trusted

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justinh:

"added FLV support to mythweb (read Youtube)". ducking crackhead

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Yahooadam:

"Added storage groups."

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Yahooadam:

yey

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justinh:

user generated content. BAH

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Yahooadam:

me wants now

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justinh:

so download & build it

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

being >1hr from the mythtv box, im reluncatnt to break it

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justinh:

since I don't depend on minimyth anymore (yay!) I'll be able to run whatever version I want – and for once – exactly the same version on every box!!!

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justinh:

still trying to think of a use for the epia PoS crap M10k board. maybe it'll flash xmas lights

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Yahooadam:

was that on your epia?

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Yahooadam:

guess so :p

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justinh:

thing is, does it have enough CPU power? hmmmm

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Yahooadam:

you could make a "smash my epia" video

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Yahooadam:

they seem quite popular :p

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justinh:

but if I was mature, I couldn't =D

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justinh:

how ducking angsty are those guys anyway, to want to publically spite people queuing to buy gadgetry of the mode?

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justinh:

I think they're wrong in the head

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** justinh wonders if an M10k will blend **

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

Metallurgy theme looks quite nice

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justinh:

yeah but you need SVN trunk

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Yahooadam:

yeah

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justinh:

I'd not upgrade mythtv just to run a theme, I don't care how nice it looks

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Yahooadam:

but when 021 is out, should be in that ?

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justinh:

yeah and I've gone on record as saying I couldn't give a rat's arse if any of my own themes are in the core

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justinh:

but I agree some (hahaha) of the existing core themes are past their best & have to go

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Yahooadam:

cough GANT

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Yahooadam:

tbh, i dont like any of the mythtv themes

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Yahooadam:

but gant is the worst, and for some reason, default

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justinh:

some people like it

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justinh:

I really hate mythcenter, mostly because of its spelling

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justinh:

and for the pretence it's like MCE. god I feel bitchy today

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Yahooadam:

its marginally similar

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Yahooadam:

but MCE's theme is much better

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justinh:

GET OUT!

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

ok ok, MCE's theme is great

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justinh:

I still haven't decided which of mine to drop come 0.21

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justinh:

probably going to be all the 43 ones

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justinh:

:3 even

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justinh:

arghh

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justinh:

4:3

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Yahooadam:

damn you :p

[10:03:17]

justinh:

all the people in third world countries can make their own

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Yahooadam:

if that was aimed at me, you just said you live in a 3rd world country ....

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justinh:

and you can't tell me that there's not a person who can use even a basic image editor in the 4:3 TV owning population

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justinh:

Yahooadam: I saw the NHS up close last week, say no more

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Yahooadam:

i feel your pain

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justinh:

the UK isn't a 3rd world country but it's getting there fast :)

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olsta:

hi

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olsta:

for a few hours i was here with my FE on an another computer

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olsta:

now it will work fine, he connected over the network to the BE

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olsta:

the epg work too

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olsta:

but the livetv will doesen`t work

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olsta:

2007-12–10 11:19:52.628 EntryToProgram(0@Do Jan 1 01:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo

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justinh:

is the hostname the same as the backend?

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olsta:

2007-12–10 11:19:52.628 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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olsta:

what you mean?

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justinh:

I mean, is the hostname of the new frontend the same as the hostname of the backend?

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olsta:

no

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olsta:

192.168.2.34:oxymoron BE, 192.168.2.27:simulakron FE

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Dibblah:

olsta: Pastebin the entire frontend log, please.

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Dibblah:

From starting up to attempting to start the FE.

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Dibblah:

LiveTV, even.

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olsta:

the output from mythfrontend?

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Dibblah:

Yes.

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olsta:

http://rafb.net/p/pNY1eB74.html

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olsta:

mythtv: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden = directory not found

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olsta:

some ideas?

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justinh:

directory not found? hmmm now let me think. errors like that are generally caused by a directory not being found, say if you just left the default recording directory set to something that doesn't exist

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olsta:

i don`t know which directory he mean

[10:38:29]

justinh:

ah that error is just about lirc so don't worry about that yet

[10:38:36]

olsta:

yes

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justinh:

you said this is a new remote frontend. does live tv still work on the other machine?

[10:38:54]

olsta:

where the BE is there is a frontend too with lirc and all it work fine

[10:39:01]

olsta:

yes

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olsta:

faboulus

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olsta:

its hang on a tv

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justinh:

usually when that's the problem, the hostnames are the same

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Yahooadam:

hold on

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olsta:

well you mean i must change the hostname to the same as the BE

[10:40:00]

Yahooadam:

the original BE/FE hangs on LiveTV too?

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justinh:

what's the recordings directory called on the backend?

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olsta:

this /home/linux/movie/flux

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justinh:

if you have a directory on the new frontend called the same thing, that will cause a problem

[10:40:37]

olsta:

k i will test

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justinh:

and before, I meant that if the host names are the same, it causes the kind of problem you are seeing. they should be different

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olsta:

ok i change the path by the FE to the livetv path from the BE but the same

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justinh:

no I meant... whatever the directory is where recordings are stored – if that dir exists on the frontend, DELETE IT

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justinh:

it looks in the local path first

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Yahooadam:

good luck, time to do work 4 me

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Yahooadam:

(ie, a maths test)

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olsta:

no the dir doesen`t exist on the FE

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Jasper:

hej guys, anyone here who can help me setup lirc

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Jasper:

I have lirc setup, I can see signals with irrecord, but can't get them into mythtv

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be1:

does the opengl overlay in svn work?

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ben10:

I have ATI card which does not have xv support in the fglrx driver. So when I try to play videos it failed. I compiled with opengl video output support and exported NO_XV and ran mythvtv but the video output is corrupted

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** justinh mutters something about playback profiles **

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justinh:

hmm now if I was to buy a bit of kit just to video myself smashing it up, it'd be this: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/12/07/uk_gets_tux_droid/

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siXy:

but will it blend?

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justinh:

will it burn? =D

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siXy:

:)

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siXy:

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justinh:

aye. I don't hate tux enough for that

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siXy:

by the way, will glass-wide accept .gif backgrounds?

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justinh:

no idea

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justinh:

I hope not

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justinh:

256 colour backgrounds.. are you mad?

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siXy:

wife wants a vista-mce style background, which is a very subtley animated blue thingy

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justinh:

tell her to go to hell

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justinh:

it won't work

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siXy:

hmm – doesnt .gif support 24-bit colour?

[12:16:31]

justinh:

no

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justinh:

and myth doesn't support animated gif anyway

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justinh:

so, you better get MCE!

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siXy:

no chance :) she will have to live without it

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justinh:

exactly. wtf does she do all day? just sit there gawping at the effing menus?!

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justinh:

anyway making loopable background animations is kinda beyond the scope of most mortals

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siXy:

well i used to do a fair bit of thatsort of thing (although obviously i've never touched an annimated gif in my life) when i was doing CGI in lightwave3d several years ago

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siXy:

nice thing about that sort of program is you can make the two ends of the loop tie up exactly, at its just mathematics at its heart

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justinh:

no so much in other apps, IME

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ben10:

justinh: i defined a new profile to use opengl renderer for everything still displays the corrupted video

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justinh:

what might be cool in future is to be able to have a video background to menus instead. now THAT I can see the point of. not shitty animated GIF ;)

[12:26:43]

justinh:

ben10: dunno then.

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justinh:

all I can suggest is throwing the ATI card in the skip

[12:27:11]

justinh:

it won't be lonely there.

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siXy:

justinh: given that the interface can be OGL rendered, presumably its not that difficult to program? (just guessing as i am completely ignorant of UI programming)

[12:27:49]

siXy:

ben10: are you using the very latest drivers?

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justinh:

siXy: no idea. video would be much more flexible

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siXy:

since amd stomped on the ati driver team and forced them to spend some time on the linux driver it has got a bit better, but only in recent versions

[12:28:34]

siXy:

yeah, video is what i meant

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justinh:

everything is moving towards common methodologies, so maybe..

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justinh:

I'd sooner have storage groups & multirec in mythtv though

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justinh:

menu animation can wait til the program is finished

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justinh:

and you have to remember the "awww but what about us pvr350 users here?" guys :P

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siXy:

multirec definately – im getting less enthusastic about storage groups since being persuaded to retry linux LVM

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siXy:

lmao :D

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siXy:

nothing sweeter than the anguished cry of a pvr-350 owner

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justinh:

and the "hey when will mythtv support FF dvb cards?"

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justinh:

gotta love that crew. bless them

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anykey_:

yeah, finish the program first, then polish the ui. You'll end up like elisa(?) else ;)

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justinh:

that has a polished UI? didn't think you could polish a turd

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justinh:

anyway...

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anykey_:

well, I like the UI idea of it. But it has no features ;)

[12:32:50]

siXy:

linux dirvers for the various pci-e dvb cards would be nice, however

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ben10:

justinh: it is a builtin card, and yes I am using the latest drivers,

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siXy:

ohh builtin cards are definately prone to issues. which car & motherboard??

[12:37:17]

ben10:

justinh: mplayer can use the opengl overlay just fine though.. so it is not an issue for video file playback, it is an issue with TV and DVB ..

[12:38:53]

ben10:

siXy: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon X1200 Series , asus m2a-vm

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siXy:

ben10: what does glxinfo say?

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ben10:

siXy: I found an error just a minute

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Jasper:

can anyone here help me setup lirc in combination with mythtv

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Jasper:

irrecord is working, and I am receiving signals, but I don't get it to work with mythtv

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Jasper:

maybe a wrong config file or something?

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clever:

i cant even get it that far

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clever:

i missing a major chunk of the hardware

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Jasper:

why not?

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Jasper:

oh

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ben10:

siXy: direct rendering: Yes

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ben10:

fglrxinfo

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ben10:

display: :0.0 screen: 0

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ben10:

OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.

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ben10:

OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon X1200 Series

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ben10:

OpenGL version string: 2.0.6958 Release

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Jasper:

receiver?

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clever:

the receiver:P

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Jasper:

build one yourself

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Jasper:

so did I

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Jasper:

10 euro

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clever:

cant find the right ir ic

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Jasper:

where do you live?

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Jasper:

every hardware shop should have them

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clever:

i got a pair of ir led/trans but that trans isnt the right one

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clever:

and the ir led was only usefull for the ir blaster

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clever:

canada here

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clever:

radio shack got baught out by the source

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Jasper:

oh really

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siXy:

ben10: run glxgears for a bit and see if it crashes the X server

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Jasper:

I visited the radioshack once in florida

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Jasper:

don't live there though

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Jasper:

netherlands here

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Jasper:

so buy it on the internet clever

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clever:

i am

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clever:

but the site is out of stock atm

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clever:

and its taking 7–8 days to transer into paypal

[12:50:29]

clever:

and the last one i ordered online still hasnt arrived:P

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ben10:

siXy: glxgears runs fine

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ben10:

siXy: running steadily at 724 FPS

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clever:

on ocasion mplayer has hardlocked my video output

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clever:

(xorg needed a restart thru ssh)

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clever:

something is buggy in my vid drivers but it only happens once every 2–3 months

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clever:

or longer

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siXy:

ben10: hmm. in that case, can you try playing a recorded tv file with mplayer -vo gl2 (or whatever the vo option for gl output is)

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clever:

if i played a video non stop for a month it may happen sooner

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ben10:

siXy: I don't have any recorded TV right now, this is a new box and I am still trying to get stuff to work. However mplayer -vo gl foo.mpg works

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ben10:

siXy: would compiling mythtv against fglrx headers cause this breakage ?

[12:57:27]

siXy:

ben10: not sure, to be honest

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Jasper:

so

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Jasper:

can anyone help me setup lirc for mythtv?

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justinh:

Jasper: you use irrecord to make a lircd.conf file. the lircd.conf file ends up having a list of button names (i.e. the names of buttons on your remote) and their associated codes. For mythtv to work you need to have a lircrc file in~/.mythtv/ which ties the button names to functions of mythtv keyboard commands

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Jasper:

yes, that's what I did justinh :/

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justinh:

for the lircd.conf file you record with irrecord to work with lirc you need to put the lircd.conf file where lirc is configured to look for it (usually /etc/lirc/ ) then when you start the lirc daemon it'll read it

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justinh:

when the lirc daemon is running, use 'irw' to verify all the buttons report the correct data when you push buttons on the remote

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Jasper:

justinh: http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/lircd.conf

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justinh:

then make sure that all the button names agree with what you have configured in the lircrc file

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justinh:

note mythfrontend looks for _lircrc_ not .lircrc and that the file must be in the .mythtv directory of your home directory

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Jasper:

justinh http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/lircrc

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justinh:

it's case sensitive

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Jasper:

it is.

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Jasper:

that's just a simple config I made to test it justinh

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justinh:

let me guess. only the left button works

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Jasper:

none work..

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Nightcrlr:

does anyone know the reason for this error "Error was encountered while displaying video." ?

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justinh:

does irw report the button presses?

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Solv:

what happens when you run irw?

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Solv:

does it pause the command line or go back to prompt?

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Jasper:

nothing..

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Jasper:

back to prompt

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Solv:

lircd isn't running properly then

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Jasper:

and when I try it again, it says it's not allowed to connect

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justinh:

Jasper: if irw doesn't report anything, you've not configured lirc correctly

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Jasper:

huh? but irrecord works?

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Solv:

Jasper, are oyu using a serial port?

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Jasper:

yes

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justinh:

irrecord only works when lirc is not running!

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Solv:

have you disabled the irq?

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Jasper:

MythTV .mythtv # /etc/init.d/lircd start

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Jasper:

* WARNING: lircd has already been started.

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Solv:

ratehr the uart

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Jasper:

it's allready started and irrecord works

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justinh:

Solv: irrecord would not work if the serial port was still enabled

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justinh:

Jasper: just because it's started it doesn't mean that it's still running

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Solv:

justinh, good point well made

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Jasper:

MythTV .mythtv # /etc/init.d/lircd restart

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Jasper:

* Stopping lircd ... [ ok ]

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Jasper:

* Starting lircd ... [ ok ]

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Jasper:

ok let's try again

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justinh:

now ps -ef |grep lirc

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Solv:

it's quite possible it's looking for lircd in the wrong place.?

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Jasper:

root 6118 1 0 13:35 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/lircd -d /dev/lirc

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Jasper:

root 6143 5724 0 13:36 pts/0 00:00:00 grep --colour=auto lirc

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Jasper:

-d /dev/lirc

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Jasper:

should be

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Jasper:

-d /dev/lirc0

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justinh:

Jasper: so it's still running then

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Jasper:

rright?

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Jasper:

lirc = no device

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Jasper:

lirc0 =

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justinh:

so edit /etc/lirc/hardware.conf then

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justinh:

tell it what the device is and where to find lircd.conf

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justinh:

then restart the daemon

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Jasper:

don't have an /etc/lirc

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Solv:

yeah often the default setp for lircd.conf is wrong, and you have to cahnge it to lirc0

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justinh:

or edit the init script

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anykey_:

Jasper: gentoo?

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Jasper:

yes

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anykey_:

Jasper: /etc/conf.d/lirc iirc

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Solv:

yeah i have gentoo as well

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Solv:

too quick

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justinh:

poor you :P

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Solv:

anykeu

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Solv:

anykey_, even

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Jasper:

anykey_ /etc/conf.d/lircd

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clever:

im manualy starting lircd from /etc/rc.local after i setserial the port off

[13:07:03]

Jasper:

allready looking in it

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anykey_:

add something like LIRCD_OPTS="-d /dev/lirc0"

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Jasper:

yes allready done

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Jasper:

it works now

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Jasper:

irw works

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Jasper:

now

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Solv:

great!

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Jasper:

so justinh what were you saying about the up / down

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Jasper:

I have the wrong commands for it?

[13:08:35]

Jasper:

can I find the mythtv key mappings anywhere?

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clever:

in the mythcontrols plugin you can view/edit them

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Jasper:

didn't know there was a plugin for it :P

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Solv:

it make sa huge difference

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clever:

the plugin shows up in setup

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Jasper:

ok great

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Jasper:

plugin is build

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Jasper:

you mean mythtv setup?

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Solv:

nope

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clever:

mythfrontend->setup

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Solv:

frontend

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Jasper:

oh k

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Jasper:

gona look now

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Jasper:

oh I see

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justinh:

up == up, down == down

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Jasper:

have to fully fix the lirc.conf

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Jasper:

justinh I was used to irxevent

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Jasper:

which I used like 2 years ago

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justinh:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/lircrc

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Jasper:

hmm gotta define all the other keys first I gues..

[13:15:11]

Jasper:

hell of a lot of work :(

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justinh:

that isn't a lot of buttons but it's every button on my remote

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black_Nightmare_:

anyone here ever had any experience with tv-out cards or the alike?

[13:15:21]

Jasper:

tv-out?

[13:15:24]

Jasper:

just a videocard?

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Jasper:

or you mean the pvr-350?

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clever:

i have tvout on my nvidia and ati working

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clever:

the ati was painfull

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Jasper:

nvidia is way too easy

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Jasper:

:P

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justinh:

avoid the pvr350

[13:15:56]

clever:

yeah

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clever:

nvidia took seconds nearly

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black_Nightmare_:

jasper...no...just that... a card made to add tv-out (aside to any other smaller features)

[13:16:15]

clever:

ati too months of working on and of

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Jasper:

why would you ever want that black_Nightmare_ ?

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Daviey:

http://jusky.com/ – "

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Daviey:

This domain is for sale!"

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justinh:

just get a dirt cheap vga card with tv out

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black_Nightmare_:

justinh....do any have audio too? :p

[13:17:05]

justinh:

avoid anything INtel based unless you want to patch the driver

[13:17:15]

justinh:

yeah audio comes out of the soundcard

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black_Nightmare_:

justinh..umm do you have any idea where to find an inexpensive card with the extra line needed for the tv then?

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black_Nightmare_:

^_^

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justinh:

what extra line?

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black_Nightmare_:

audio

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black_Nightmare_:

(as all 4 are already used up as it is)

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justinh:

WHAT?

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Solv:

black_Nightmare_, ever heard of a splitter?

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black_Nightmare_:

solv...that wouldn't help the actual feed unless you like overlaying into statics

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justinh:

wtf are you talk about?

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justinh:

*talking

[13:20:12]

Solv:

yeah?

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justinh:

do you mean the only spare input on your TV is RF ?

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black_Nightmare_:

justinh..what do you think happens when two sound collide? sounds like static :p

[13:20:33]

justinh:

i.e. an antenna connection?

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Solv:

black_Nightmare_, can you explain exactly what your trying to achieve?

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black_Nightmare_:

solv...what else other than tv screen experience?

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justinh:

some details would help us help you

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justinh:

rather than just saying "uhhhh,, ummmmm"

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black_Nightmare_:

justinh...there's not much..just that I want full tv-out from the system? ^_^

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Jasper:

jesus dude, you're makikng no sense at all

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Jasper:

you are saying you have 4 jack outputs on your box for music right?

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Jasper:

and you used them all

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Solv:

black_Nightmare_, explain why you think running the audio out from the soundcard into the av input of your tv, on the same av input that the tv out is going to won't work!

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Jasper:

so basically youi need an extra sounddevice?

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telly:

mythtv can't connect to my mysql database

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black_Nightmare_:

solv...ever noticed the quote 'all 4 are already used up'

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Jasper:

WHAT 4?

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Jasper:

on your sounddevice?

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Jasper:

or tvv?

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Jasper:

make some sense plz

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DustyBin:

justinh: ive ordered £80 worth of UK x10 gear :D

[13:25:20]

telly:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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telly:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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telly:

2007-12–11 00:24:49.567 DB Error (KickDatabase):

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telly:

Query was:

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telly:

SELECT NULL;

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telly:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

[13:25:23]

telly:

2007-12–11 00:24:49.620 Unable to connect to database!

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telly:

2007-12–11 00:24:49.620 Driver error was [1/1045]:

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justinh:

black_Nightmare_: all four WHAT ?

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telly:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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DustyBin:

including these: http://www.letsautomate.com/amlm12.cfm

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telly:

Database error was:

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telly:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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Jasper:

telly pastebin jesus

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justinh:

DustyBin: wooo X10 :-\

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telly:

sorry

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DustyBin:

whats wrong with x10 ?

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justinh:

telly: er stop using mythbuntu? ;)

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telly:

mythbuntu?

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telly:

???

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telly:

myth specially for ubuntu?

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Solv:

black_Nightmare_, so obviously you mean that all 4 INPUTS on your TV are used up, not OUTPUTS on your SOUNDCARD???

[13:26:22]

Jasper:

telly what os?

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telly:

Ubuntu

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Jasper:

solv I would guess he meant all 4 outputs on his soundcard

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justinh:

telly: you missed the popup which told you what the mysql password was :P

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black_Nightmare_:

solv..did you ever read more than one line at once? you'll see the answer there

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Jasper:

black_Nightmare_ change the attitude

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justinh:

black_Nightmare_: you didn't say

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Jasper:

you have 3 people here not understanding a word you're saying

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Solv:

black_Nightmare_, i could help you but i won't knnow....

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Solv:

now

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justinh:

telly: lookin /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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Jasper:

so obviously you didn't explain yourself correctly

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Daviey:

justinh: your name has been added to the list.. (for "stop using mythbuntu?") :(

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justinh:

Daviey: so?

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Solv:

i have rigged up countless of these setups and I am an audio engineer...

[13:28:06]

Daviey:

justinh: the list is entitled "Naughty boys"

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black_Nightmare_:

well why is 'audio card' in one line then '4 lines' nearby not making sense to you?

[13:28:42]

justinh:

Daviey: you have no idea how much time I wasted over the weekend trying to get mythbuntu to do my bidding. never again. next time it'll be slack be damned

[13:28:45]

Jasper:

ok here's what I suggest you do...go fsck yourself for wanting help and then putting up that attitude

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DustyBin:

what kind of other AV equipment do you guys run alongside mythtv? surround sound?

[13:28:49]

Solv:

black_Nightmare_, well if you have 4 line outs from your audio card...what connectors do they use

[13:28:50]

telly:

Failed to run /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend 'stop' as user root

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Solv:

3.5mm to rca?

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Daviey:

justinh: what probs?

[13:29:15]

telly:

the underlying auth sudo does not allow you to run this program

[13:29:20]

telly:

????

[13:29:22]

Solv:

optical/spdif coax?

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Jasper:

complaining about static, and then using 3,5 mm plugs...what a noob

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black_Nightmare_:

solv...two ministereo, two rca, midi, and the two internal cdrom header and speaker pin

[13:29:45]

black_Nightmare_:

thats what the card is

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justinh:

Daviey: for one I didn't want to use the built in packages. I think a lot of my complaints are probably based on gutsy perculiarities but it all ends up being lumped together

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Jasper:

black_nightmare invest some money and get a decend audio device

[13:30:09]

telly:

can anyone help me

[13:30:11]

Solv:

okay so you CAN split your outputs and it won't cause static....

[13:30:14]

telly:

I can't stop myth backend

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telly:

it says root is not allowed to stop it

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telly:

????

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justinh:

telly: so that was another popup you missed or ignored

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Jasper:

solv splitting isn't very nicely. but it will do

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Solv:

run a y splitter from one 3.5mm to 2 3.5mm on one of the outputs...then run a 3.5mm to 2 rca cable to the back of your tv or stereo...that's it

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Jasper:

black_Nightmare_ you have midi on your audio device?

[13:31:05]

Jasper:

actual midi – in / out?

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Solv:

Jasper, I challenge the average user to hear the difference

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Daviey:

justinh: If you can find specific – i'd appreciate it if you can raise a bug, that way we can help improve it :)

[13:31:32]

Jasper:

solv I'm using a rme-audio fireface 400 with monitor speakers :P

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Solv:

you only get overlayed static if you try and run two signals on one input

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justinh:

Daviey: oh yeah serial lirc support. needing a mouse to do the setup. :(

[13:32:00]

Jasper:

justinh fyi mythtv works with remote now

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Jasper:

thx everyone

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Solv:

Jasper, yes, you do have good taste...i have an RME HDSP9652 with 24 optical out =)

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Jasper:

:P

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Solv:

Jasper, but not on my mythbox =)

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telly:

whats up with root

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Jasper:

24 optical out?

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justinh:

Daviey: I'm going off ubuntu big style now

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Daviey:

:`(

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Solv:

well 3 optical outs...24 channels

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black_Nightmare_:

solv...I tried that once on both ministereo and rca-out and that caused random statics thanks to the background phone software on former (why it kept overlaying statics on the line if something else tries to use it I don't know yet) and standing-by multimedia player on the latter .. so these lines obviously aren't shareable

[13:32:47]

Jasper:

the hdsp9652 is just a pci right?

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black_Nightmare_:

be back in a second anyhow

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Jasper:

with breakout cable?

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Jasper:

solv: http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/700sx.jpg <-- my setup :P

[13:33:29]

Solv:

Jasper, yeah pci...got a breakout for spdif...plug the adat cables directly in yourself to another adat D to A convertor

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Solv:

got midi brakout cables

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Jasper:

still need to put the monitors up higher though :(

[13:34:19]

justinh:

Daviey: by making everything dead easy for Mr Average, there's a lot of control which seems to have been taken away, or ubuntu-ised. I might use it for a 'quick install' in future but I'll be seriously considering other distros

[13:34:47]

Daviey:

Jasper: geez, far too tidy – either you have no kids, ecd, or don't do any real work in there

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justinh:

lol

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Jasper:

I cleaned up for the picture Daviey :P

[13:35:12]

clever:

i have a massive rat nest of wires behind my desk

[13:35:15]

Solv:

black_Nightmare_, sounds like your runnign a lot from your mythbox...maybe it's a poorly earthed card...shouldn't get that problem at all...you could try running two soundcrads

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clever:

and i have wiring hanging from the celing everywhere

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Jasper:

solv what monitors do you use?

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Daviey:

clever: that's because you are a proper geek.. unlike Jasper :)

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clever:

lol:)

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Solv:

Jasper, I'm still downloading it...currently downloadin kubuntu as well and uploading 150megs to mediafire =)

[13:36:04]

Jasper:

:P

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justinh:

my livingroom is nice but the computer room.. ooof

[13:36:25]

Daviey:

The real skill is convincing wives that an assort of wires everywhere is a *good* thing

[13:36:32]

Jasper:

solv I mean what monitor speakers do you use?

[13:36:35]

Solv:

Jasper, what are your monitors again?

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Jasper:

I'm using these mackie hr 624s

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clever:

no wife here:P

[13:36:45]

Solv:

damn

[13:36:46]

justinh:

!trout hifi geeks

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** MythLogBot slaps hifi with a geeks trout on behalf of justinh... **

[13:36:53]

Jasper:

you?

[13:36:58]

Solv:

i'm using KRK rokit8

[13:37:17]

justinh:

too much disposable income and "The emperor's new clothes' complex.

[13:37:28]

justinh:

NO! THIS mains plug 'sounds better' bullshit

[13:37:34]

Daviey:

i'm using a really expensive Pioneer setup (well it was in 1995), and accepts phono only – awesome

[13:37:37]

Solv:

rme adats go to a behringer ddx3216

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Solv:

Jasper, you hang out on the ardour forums?

[13:37:45]

Jasper:

you like them Solv ?

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Jasper:

behringer oeffffffffffff

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DustyBin:

rotel ftw

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DustyBin:

mission speakers ftw

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clever:

im running my myth sound card into the tv

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Jasper:

no not hanging out on forums Solv :P

[13:38:29]

Solv:

behringer is cheap but not bad...krks are VERY nice...i'd like to afford dynadio bm6a but hey i'm not that rich

[13:38:33]

clever:

then the tv's sound out into the 5.1channel stereo

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clever:

myth can only output 2 channels from the box but it plays out 6

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** justinh goes both ways. analogue audio out into the TV. digital into the Pioneer RXV-457 **

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Solv:

Jasper, heh...i'm slow..i only just noticed the two times you asked me about my monitors =)

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clever:

spdif out on myth but nothing with in

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Jasper:

:P

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DustyBin:

does anyone here use fail2ban to stop .htaccess password auth brute force attacks on your protected mythweb directory

[13:40:40]

Solv:

Jasper, well, nice rig jasper...i'm going to bed...its midnite here

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clever:

DustyBin: im using .htaccess to limit my mythweb to 192.168.1.3

[13:41:10]

Jasper:

it's very earlyt here still

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Jasper:

14:41 :P

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clever:

which is my router ip

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DustyBin:

ok

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clever:

and you only get that source if bouncing thru the routers port forward

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DustyBin:

clever: what happens if you want to access mythweb from the net

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clever:

then your source is a public ip

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm earthed...now that I think about it...maybe I missed a wire in the ground harness somewhere

[13:41:56]

clever:

which doesnt match

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clever:

i can also access it thru a vpn directly into the mythweb box

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DustyBin:

ok

[13:42:30]

clever:

but currently my mythweb box is the one id probly bring with me on the road

[13:42:42]

clever:

and the problem is its also the mysql holding the whole myth up

[13:42:42]

black_Nightmare_:

reminds me of the mini-itx review of the sigma xcard .. interesting but seem the company didn't even support it well and still seem to not to

[13:42:54]

siXy:

why not do it properly and use iptables to restrict it?

[13:43:10]

clever:

siXy: the http server is multi use

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clever:

i need parts of it to be public

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DustyBin:

siXy: cant you just use host.allow host.deny ?

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siXy:

ah ok, fair enough

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black_Nightmare_:

anyway sorry but I need to afk for a while..might be back later tho (especially after checking the pc again)

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siXy:

DustyBin: you can do. but its not as robust

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DustyBin:

ok

[13:44:05]

siXy:

not a great deal you can do about bruteforcing with hosts.*

[13:44:06]

clever:

my vpn has static ip's

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clever:

so i can allow just the vpn ip and the lan

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clever:

and its safe enless you can get itno my lan

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DustyBin:

fail2ban checks logs for login attempts of anything you want, if it notices a certain amount of failed attempts it writes a iptables rule to block, you can set it up to say block for 1 hour then remove block

[13:44:55]

Nightcrlr:

can anyone help me out or know of this error "Error was encountered while displaying video." ?

[13:44:59]

clever:

yeah ive heard of it before

[13:45:27]

DustyBin:

.htaccess on its own is just not secure enough

[13:45:36]

DustyBin:

.htaccess + SSL is better

[13:45:36]

clever:

why not?

[13:45:39]

clever:

ah

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justinh:

Daviey: one good thing about mythbuntu/gutsy. diskless boot from powered down to mythfrontend menu – without trimming init – 40secs

[13:45:44]

siXy:

DustyBin: I just have an incremental delay script, ie you get 3 free attempts then the delay counts up, making bruteforce attacks unproductive

[13:45:45]

DustyBin:

but you still need to stop brute force

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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clever:

DustyBin: ssl blocks sniffing but if im not using http-auth you cant sniff my pw

[13:46:09]

Daviey:

justinh: awesome

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clever:

DustyBin: and the only path to my mythweb thats not encrypted is when using it over the lan

[13:46:41]

clever:

the vpn encrypts arround the http

[13:46:56]

DustyBin:

i just use SSL for my webserver, even over LAN

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clever:

lol

[13:47:11]

DustyBin:

thats how its set up

[13:47:15]

DustyBin:

it just uses port 443

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siXy:

other thing you can do is run mythweb on a seperate computer, if you are getting a lot of unwanted activity (using mod_proxy)

[13:47:50]

DustyBin:

when your running a mail server, zoneminder, x10 and mythweb, i think SSL is important

[13:48:00]

siXy:

meh mythweb is slow enough withut using SSL ;)

[13:48:08]

clever:

its allready on a seperate pc:P(my laptop/fe/ircclient)

[13:48:17]

Jasper:

hmm

[13:48:23]

Jasper:

this mythcontrl is obviously not wokring

[13:48:24]

Jasper:

the plugin

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clever:

id like to get x10 going or something similar

[13:48:32]

Jasper:

it tells me to press a key, and then sees nothing

[13:48:44]

DustyBin:

if somone hacked my .htaccess password, they would be able to view cameras in my house and turn lights on and off.. :-S

[13:48:45]

clever:

Jasper: you need to hit enter with one of the white boxes selected

[13:48:53]

Jasper:

did that clever

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clever:

Jasper: to actualy make a change to it

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Jasper:

then I selected bind a key

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clever:

then hit a key

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siXy:

personally I no longer serve anything from my home IP, so i just lock it down to my work ip, and my wife's

[13:49:04]

Jasper:

and now it says PRESS A KEY

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Jasper:

but I keep pressing

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Jasper:

nothing happens

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clever:

justinh: are you hitting a lirc key?

[13:49:16]

siXy:

DustyBin: that would be hilarious – almost tempted to try now

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DustyBin:

:-O

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justinh:

clever: eh?

[13:49:29]

Jasper:

yes

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Jasper:

I am

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clever:

justinh: oops

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clever:

Jasper: you need to tie the lirc key to a keyboard key before myth can use it

[13:49:53]

Jasper:

it does react to the up key though clever

[13:50:06]

Jasper:

oh, I'll just manually edit lircrc

[13:50:08]

Jasper:

prolly easier

[13:50:08]

clever:

myth cant use the lirc keys directly

[13:50:16]

clever:

you need to tie the lirc keys to keyboard keys

[13:50:19]

clever:

then bind those to actions

[13:50:24]

Kazan:

anyone have any idea what the cause of "Audio Buffer Overruns" is when watching 720p HD w/ 5:1 AC3 audio

[13:50:34]

Kazan:

1080i w/ Stereo AC3 doesn't do it

[13:50:42]

justinh:

ENOTENOUGHCPU!

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clever:

lol

[13:51:09]

Kazan:

my cpu utilization is not 100%

[13:51:21]

Kazan:

once frontend starts spamming that to it's logs it becomes it though

[13:51:40]

Kazan:

w/ XvMC assist it's only like 40% utilization on 720p (50% utilization w/o XvMC)

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justinh:

bah xvmc. if you can't get by without it, get better hardware

[13:53:43]

Jasper:

justinh you know anything about the overlay in the internal player?

[13:54:21]

Kazan:

the system CAN play the content without it

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justinh:

Jasper: nope

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Kazan:

50% utilization on 720p, 60% utilization on 1080i w/o XvMC

[13:54:50]

Kazan:

XvMC reduces CPU utilization and doesn't seem to be related to my issue from what i have tried so far

[13:55:00]

Kazan:

so why should i make my cpu work harder when i don't have to

[13:55:17]

justinh:

Kazan: tbh I used to see audio buffer underruns on my current frontend even with low cpu usage

[13:55:28]

Kazan:

this isn't an underrun

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justinh:

but that frontend will very soon be history

[13:55:30]

Kazan:

it's an overrun

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justinh:

under/over – it's some kind of performance issue

[13:55:56]

Kazan:

aye

[13:55:58]

Kazan:

but _why_

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Kazan:

it only happens randomly

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Kazan:

or semi-randomly

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justinh:

I was on the verge of blaming ALSA at one point

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clever:

most of my audio problems durring playback

[13:56:25]

Kazan:

typically when skipping or i hit a glitch in the recording

[13:56:26]

clever:

are damage to the recordings

[13:56:36]

Kazan:

then frontend starts spamming it's logs as hard as it can with messages

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clever:

from audio buffer overflows durring recording

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Kazan:

2007-12–09 13:51:38.303 NVP::AddAudioData():p2: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!

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Kazan:

it's spamming that, and a line following it, once every 2 ms when it encounters the problem

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Kazan:

clever: this is an ATSC source

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Kazan:

doesn't happen on SD

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clever:

havent used that before

[13:58:47]

clever:

im stuck with a frame grabber

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Kazan:

doens't happen on all HD recordings, only certain ones

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clever:

inputing thru the linein on a sound card

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Kazan:

i've got a PVR-150, a PVR-500, and a Kworld ATSC 110

[13:59:22]

Kazan:

so the CPU never has to do any work encoding videos

[13:59:27]

siXy:

Kazan: i get similar issues trying to play certian xvid files with the internal player...

[13:59:38]

Jasper:

I have a pvr 500...but I'm not too happy about the image it delivers

[13:59:43]

Jasper:

it looks all smoozy etc

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Jasper:

thinking of going digital

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BULLE:

smoozy ?

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Kazan:

i haven't got any problem on mine except some weirdness on low-numbered chans (2, 3, 4)

[14:00:25]

justinh:

my pvr150 looked like shite with the default ivtv settings

[14:00:27]

Kazan:

(which just looks like some external noise)

[14:00:47]

justinh:

temporal DNR etc.. YUCK!

[14:00:52]

Jasper:

justinh is tehre any tuning to be doine then?

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justinh:

anyway Daviey mythbuntu needs a user like me, like a hole in its head ;)

[14:01:22]

BULLE:

Jasper: what do you mean with "smoozy" ?

[14:01:30]

justinh:

Jasper: recent versions made the default settings more sane

[14:01:47]

Jasper:

BULLE it just looks damn ugly

[14:01:51]

justinh:

BULLE: blurry, motion trails.. ghostly

[14:02:07]

Daviey:

justinh: We neeed PITA's as part of the QA stage.. you know the pedantic, shudda been a parking warden sort :)

[14:02:21]

BULLE:

justinh: ah, so turn off the temporal filtering then

[14:02:30]

BULLE:

justinh: then you wont see any ghosting and motion trails anymore

[14:02:34]

BULLE:

justinh: atleast i dont

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justinh:

BULLE: it used to be enabled by default!!!!!!

[14:02:48]

BULLE:

justinh: temporal filtering IS enabled by default, nowadays, atleast for me

[14:02:51]

Kazan:

are you running capture at the cards native 720x480

[14:02:57]

justinh:

blugh

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Jasper:

and also, it's so slow

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Jasper:

to fill the buffer

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Kazan:

(or thw 720xwhatever for PAL)

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justinh:

nice if you like your TV looking like you're on acid

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Jasper:

zapping takes like ages

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BULLE:

Kazan: no, because 720x480 isnt the native res for my card! ( i live in PAL land ) and the res that the driver accepts is 704x576

[14:03:34]

Kazan:

if you're not running an IVTV card at it's native resolution then you're asking for trouble – they don't like it

[14:03:41]

justinh:

Daviey: so what was the thinking behind the need for a mouse in all the setup? though I noticed gutsy is much the sme :-\

[14:03:47]

Kazan:

BULLE: notice my "or whatever for pal"

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BULLE:

Kazan: it came later, i had already typed and hit enter when that line showed up!

[14:04:05]

Kazan:

wee lag :D

[14:04:06]

justinh:

BULLE: crap. it accepts 720x576 and 768x576

[14:04:34]

BULLE:

justinh: hmm, i might mean 720x576 then, in the past i always used 768x576 but last time i uppgraded ivtv that resulted in a no go

[14:04:38]

Kazan:

question is which one is native

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BULLE:

justinh: and the driver outputting something very wierd

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DustyBin:

when you compare freeview recievers what are built into TVs and the output of a Nvidia graphics card, are there any differences in quality ?

[14:04:53]

BULLE:

justinh: about non supported size

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BULLE:

justinh: going to 720x576 solved it

[14:05:00]

justinh:

DustyBin: depends on the receiver.

[14:05:15]

DustyBin:

justinh: maybe a fairly good one?

[14:05:15]

justinh:

DustyBin: your typical £20 box from ASDA will look shit compared to a nvidia card

[14:05:21]

DustyBin:

aye ok

[14:05:36]

Daviey:

justinh: Is it not possible to attach a mouse for initial setup?

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justinh:

it was, thankfully

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[Jasper-2]:

nice..

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justinh:

but that isn't the point

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[Jasper-2]:

laptop crashed

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Jasper:

so is your changing of channels also this slow justinh ?

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justinh:

change channels? eh?

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justinh:

fuckknows

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Jasper:

you don't use livetv I guess

[14:07:03]

Jasper:

any way to get livetv OUT of mythtv?

[14:07:09]

justinh:

nope

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Jasper:

too bad, since no-one appears to actually be using it

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justinh:

you can remove it from the menus though

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justinh:

very easy

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Jasper:

oh that's a good idea

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Jasper:

because I still wanna be able to record

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** justinh is a livetv deny-er :P **

[14:08:29]

Jasper:

:P

[14:09:00]

** BULLE uses livetv ocassionaly **

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justinh:

it's only good for testing tuners

[14:09:32]

justinh:

and then only 2 at a time

[14:10:02]

Kazan:

hmm

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Kazan:

where do i check what audio system myth is using

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siXy:

in general options

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Kazan:

ah

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Kazan:

it's good could default "/dev/dsp"

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** Kazan changes it to "ALSA:default" **

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siXy:

if you have digital out, use ALSA:spdif

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Kazan:

i don't

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Kazan:

i'm using a 4.1 audio system for computers

[14:12:40]

Kazan:

so it's using the normal computer connections

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Kazan:

wow using alsa instead of oss i think reduced my cpu utilization....

[14:14:39]

Kazan:

i think that did it

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Kazan:

i did a bunch of ten minute skips backward and forward all over one of the offending recordings

[14:14:56]

Kazan:

it remained stable

[14:15:20]

Kazan:

wow.. no prebuffering pauses even

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siXy:

alsa> oss :)

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siXy:

and supposedly pluseaudio > alsa, but i don't know much about that

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Kazan:

indeed

[14:15:52]

** justinh wonders how the 50's diner mythtv theme is coming along anyway **

[14:16:16]

Kazan:

well.. afk now to tell wife za good news

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justinh:

"you did WHAT?!" whack.. "oh"

[14:18:54]

Kazan:

on another subject

[14:19:00]

Kazan:

trying to switch back to internal player for DVDs

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justinh:

or "ok. whatever", or even "mmmmmkay.. as long as you're happy"

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siXy:

Kazan: media settings

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Kazan:

the "copy protection scheme" on my wife's new DVD causes frontend to crap it's pants

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Kazan:

siXy: already changed it over :P

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Kazan:

libdvdnav: ifoRead_VOBU_ADMAP vtsi failed

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justinh:

take it back to the store & demand a non-DRM one

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justinh:

assuming other encrippled disks play back ok of course

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siXy:

hmm. do you have libdvdread libdvdnav and libdvdcss installed and at latest version?

[14:19:54]

Dralid_:

> I have an Ubuntu box that I installed MythTV on, but cannot get to work properly. The Capture card is a SiliconDust HDHomerun. I can get it to stream to VLC fine, but have problems with the stream on Myth. I think it is a decoding problem, as a approx 4:3 box is filled with random colors when I attempt to stream. Any suggestions?

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Kazan:

can't and they don't make a non-drm edition

[14:20:03]

Kazan:

it's wife's DVD, it was one of her anniversary presents

[14:20:19]

Kazan:

it plays in powerDVD, so dvdnav guys could get it to work

[14:20:20]

justinh:

lemme guess. "Hairspray" ?

[14:20:55]

Kazan:

yup

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justinh:

there was a thread on the -users list about it

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Kazan:

fun

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Dralid_:

Excuse me for the stupid question, but I'm new to IRC, Can people hear me?

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Kazan:

yes we can see you typing

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justinh:

no Dralid_

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Kazan:

they figure out a work-around

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justinh:

Kazan: I doubt it

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Dralid_:

okay, thanks...

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justinh:

it's not a disc which complies to the DVD spec, so technically can't be allowed to bear the DVD logo apparently. heheh

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Kazan:

ooh... so it's illegal for that DVD logo to be on it

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justinh:

technically but since Sony is behind it.. er..

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Kazan:

some of the schemes manage to keep inside the compliance bubble

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justinh:

apparently some standalone players have problems with it too

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justinh:

will these bastards ever learn?

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Kazan:

not suprised

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Kazan:

no they won't

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Kazan:

not until some government fines them into oblivion

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Kazan:

and it becomes more costly to be assholes than to "tolerate piracy"

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Nightcrlr:

can anyone help me out with an error i'm getting?

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siXy:

doubt it, without knowing what the error is

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justinh:

I've always failed to see how the media companies come to the conclusion they've 'lost' so many billions to piracy. it's like everybody would have bought the shite they downloaded anyway :P.. as if

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Nightcrlr:

this is the error i'm getting ------> "Error was encountered while displaying video."

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siXy:

internally, i'm sure they don't. but its good to have nice big numbers to go cry to governemnts about so that they can get away with whatever legally-grey practices they want

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justinh:

Nightcrlr: I think that might mean that mythtv encountered some kind of 'error' while displaying video. not 100% sure though

[14:30:11]

siXy:

hehe :)

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Nightcrlr:

<justinh> yeah that sounds more like it

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justinh:

could mean the video file doesn't exist

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justinh:

could mean the driver for the video card doesn't support the output method mythtv is trying to use..

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Nightcrlr:

well its when i'm trying play live tv

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justinh:

in this case, like so many others – I think the error message needs to be seen in its true context

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justinh:

that is to say, post the whole output of mythfrontend into a pastebin

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siXy:

http://rafb.net/paste is a good choice

[14:33:37]

Nightcrlr:

i don't see any video playing its just black screen and for seconds later the error pops up on screen

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siXy:

Nightcrlr: run mythfrontend from the console with logging enabled

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Nightcrlr:

i

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Nightcrlr:

i've check my log files but they don't make sense to me because i'm noob lol

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justinh:

a big problem can be users trying to decide what info is relevant ;)

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Nightcrlr:

true... so where should i paste my logs?

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justinh:

pastebin.ca is nice

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justinh:

backend log output would be good too

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justinh:

since when tv is involved it's rarely the frontend to blame

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Jasper:

justinh my laptop crashed...you were saying I coudl remove live-tv easily from the menu

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Jasper:

how will I do that"

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justinh:

er.. edit the mainmenu.xml file of course

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siXy:

Jasper: use kwrite or similar, xml is horrible to edit without syntax highlighting

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justinh:

or better still, copy /usr/(local/)share/mythtv/themes/mainmenu.xml to your .mythtv dir in your home dir, then remove the 'watch tv' entry

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justinh:

or put  around it

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justinh:

;)

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BULLE:

siXy: depends a bit on how you indent yoru xml though

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BULLE:

will new mythui thingy still use xml ?

[14:45:22]

justinh:

yep

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justinh:

http://www.pastebin.ca/811000

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siXy:

BULLE: iirc mainmenu isn't indented at all

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justinh:

indents schmindents

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Jasper:

btw...is there any way...lin my watch videos...it displays the .srt files which are in the directorys

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Jasper:

I don't want them showed as videos

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Jasper:

how can I fix this

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Nightcrlr:

<justinh> http://www.pastebin.ca/811007

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siXy:

Jasper: in videos settings you can hide unkown file types

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Nightcrlr:

<justinh> Backendlog ---> http://www.pastebin.ca/811007 Frontendlog ---> http://www.pastebin.ca/811010

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Jasper:

hej guys

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Jasper:

how can I add a file extension to mythtv

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Jasper:

like .srt ?

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Hoxzer:

You mean like add special settings for specific file extension in mythvideo ?

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directhex|bsp:

it's in the mythvideo settings somewhere

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Jasper:

yeah allready found it

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Jasper:

thank you

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GreyFoxx:

Jasper: Why do you want the SRT to be visible in mythvideo ?

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GreyFoxx:

If the SRT exists in the same directory as a video and has the same name (except with the srt extension) it will be autoloaded

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black_Nightmare_:

back

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, myth includes an srt parser/renderer?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

as long as the srt has the same name as the video it will auto load it

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GreyFoxx:

you just need to hit a hotkey to display it ontop of the video

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GreyFoxx:

I should apply my patch to make that an onscreen menu item for External Subtitles

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, that's something that's up to myth, it's not in ffmpeg, right?

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GreyFoxx:

I think it's internal to myth

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Jasper:

hej guys, I have no sound playing a .wmv 1080p

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Jasper:

how can I fix this?

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edge:

im attempting to run the mythtv front and backend on the same box. i started it on gentoo by adding it to the run time, but the front end says it can't connect to the backend at the loopback address

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: libs/libmythtv/textsubtitleparser.cpp

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, what i'm getting towards is "how, rationally, to make myth read subtitles from a stream inside the video container instead of a file on disk"

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Jasper:

is the internal player lacking the plugin for wmv hd 1080p sound?

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SiD3WiNDR:

edge: is your backend really running?

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directhex|bsp:

Jasper, 1080p is a video resolution. wmv is a container format. work out the audio codec your file wants

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edge:

SiD3WiNDR: it says it started, i would assume it wouldn't tell me it started if it really hasn't. how do i test its running if the frontend wont connect to it

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SiD3WiNDR:

ps ax|grep myth

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directhex|bsp:

what's the xml status port? 6544 or somesuch?

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Jasper:

directhex that's what I've been ttrying

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Jasper:

but gspot doesn't realy recognise the sound

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Jasper:

oh wait

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Jasper:

directhex 0x0162 (Windows Media Audio 9 Professional)

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Jasper:

that's the audio codec it requires

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Jasper:

guys

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Jasper:

can mythtv use ffmpeg?

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directhex|bsp:

Jasper, mythtv uses its own built-in ffmpeg

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Jasper:

yes but directhex apparently it's missing the codec right?

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directhex|bsp:

wma pro hasn't been reverse-engineered

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GreyFoxx:

myth uses the ffmpeg libraries for decoding and is only 1 month or so behind their current development versions

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Jasper:

sorry directhex got disconnected

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Jasper:

but I guess ffmpeg which is included is missing the sound codec right?

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directhex|bsp:

wma pro hasn't been reverse-engineered

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Jasper:

oeh

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Jasper:

that's not good now is it

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directhex|bsp:

it's a reality of proprietary ecosystems

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Cyrexion:

Hey guys... does anyone know if there is a command-line based utility which will take a video file (captured from myth, .mpg), seek to random points in that video file, and extract snapshots?

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directhex|bsp:

there's something. mytharchive does it when making a DVD

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lizaore1:

Hey guys, I got my MythTV working, sorta, I get display, but it's all squished up and Black and White. Not sure what to do now, it took forever to get it this far, but I'm glad I made it over the lirc hurdle :)

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lizaore1:

Here's a shot of what I see right now http://lizaoreo.thokk.com/MythTV.png

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Cyrexion:

now that's the way donkey kong should be played :) ! (j/k)

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BULLE:

lizaore1: seems like a tv-out issue to me

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espacious:

i have winfast 200 tv card seems it works but im not able to scan for channels

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espacious:

or better can anyone help me with setting up the chanels for my country?

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espacious:

i tryed many things but no luck.

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lizaore1:

Hmm, when I get home today I'll try pulling from a different device. Thanks... probably should have thought of that myself.

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espacious:

can someone point me to the right way getting my tvcard to capture something?

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espacious:

i use mythbuntu

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mr|venm:

Is it possible to disable the "video information" window so you don't have to hit "enter" an extra time before the video loads in the player? The window I'm referring to is: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:VideoSelect.jpg

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morpheus9:

I have mythtv running on ubuntu gutsy with a nova-t 500 card, when I try and add a capture card in mythtv-setup it says "failed to open" in the probed info, any suggestions???

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iamlindoro_:

Does your card work properly outside of myth?

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morpheus9:

yup

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iamlindoro_:

Are you running myth setup as a user with permissions to the device?

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morpheus9:

running it as root (ummmmm I think)

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iamlindoro_:

seems like the kind of thing you should be sure about

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iamlindoro_:

Further, are you setting it as the correct card type?

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morpheus9:

the only option I have is V4l

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iamlindoro_:

It's a DVB card, no?

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morpheus9:

yup

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iamlindoro_:

It should be set as DVB card type. That's why it's not probing.

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morpheus9:

where do I set that?

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iamlindoro_:

And if you don't have a DVB option, then you didn't compile mtyh with --enable-dvb

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iamlindoro_:

It's the first option in setting up a tuner card

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morpheus9:

ahhh tits, is there any way I can recompile or do I need to re-install?

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iamlindoro_:

Sure, if you have the source, you can recompile fine...

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iamlindoro_:

did you compile in the first place?

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morpheus9:

bugger, I installed from synaptic

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iamlindoro_:

you should have a dvb option.. most packaged version include it

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iamlindoro_:

Just highlight the card type where it says v4l, and press right and left.. you don't have *any* other options?

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iamlindoro_:

you should have at *least* a few

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morpheus9:

none at all???

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iamlindoro_:

So you're telling me that you have *no* options besides v4l in mythtv-setup?

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iamlindoro_:

Then something is pretty borked in your setup... you should have at *least* Mpeg-2 encoder card type, DTV, HDHomerun, and a few more. And that's without ANY extra compile flags.

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** morpheus9 hangs head in shame, didnt know there were left and right options :( **

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iamlindoro_:

Ah. So you found DVB then?

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** morpheus9 nods **

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morpheus9:

doh!

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iamlindoro_:

there you go, should be all set.

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morpheus9:

the only reference to a dvb card is "DVB DTV capture card (v3.x) is that the right one?

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iamlindoro_:

Yes

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iamlindoro_:

Erm

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iamlindoro_:

as long as it probes your card properly, yes. There's DTV and DVB types, different

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iamlindoro_:

I don't know a thing about your specific card

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, you're on your own with that

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morpheus9:

ok, cheers :)

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iamlindoro_:

No problem, good luck... you're fairly close to the right thing, anyway

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guyvdb_:

Hi, I am thinking of building a mythtv box. I have been reading the mythtv howto. What i do not get is how do you control the input channel (what is coming from the satelite decoder) from mythtv... or don't (can't) you?

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directhex:

guyvdb_, an ir blaster

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directhex:

guyvdb_, which is a dongle which points at your set-top box & pretends to be a remote control

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guyvdb_:

directhex, then you can record channel xx at a scheduled time and it will change chanels and record?

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directhex:

guyvdb_, that's the idea, yes

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guyvdb_:

k htx

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guyvdb_:

directhex: what is an amd athlon a good cpu choice? What about capture cards? MPEG2 or 4?

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directhex:

guyvdb_, for capturing SD via an analog link? any old cpu will do, and you want a hauppauge pvr150 as your capture card

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iamlindoro_:

Don't think there are any MPEG-4 Hardware encoders on the market yet (although reference designs exist)... That is, of course, excluding DVB x.264 streams.

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iamlindoro_:

And anyway, if they have hit market yet, there are certainly no linux drivers.

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iamlindoro_:

So yes, PVR-x50/500

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guyvdb_:

thx

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directhex:

iamlindoro, there's that usb-attached thing. go7007 chipset

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iamlindoro_:

And guyvdb_, your backend can be fairly low power-- you need beef on the frontend... depending on what you intend to display (HD in Mpeg-2 to 1080i can be handled by a halfway decent Athlon or Intel Processor, x.264 1080p needs a good dual core processor)

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, are there linuxtv drivers for it? Never seen it

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directhex:

iamlindoro, http://oss.wischip.com/

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guyvdb_:

thx guys... chow

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, but no tuner, right?

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xris:

chow? it's not lunchtime yet.

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directhex:

iamlindoro, right

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iamlindoro_:

Should have been more specific, I meant tuner cards

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directhex:

who gives a poop about analog anymore?

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iamlindoro_:

Kinda stuck using analog out of the cable box when all the extended cable is 5C'd up the ass..

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iamlindoro_:

I needs my Daily Show ;)

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GreyFoxx:

5~5~

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directhex:

77!

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justinh:

directhex: seen this? http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a80757/ . . . hannels.html Atrocious! one more plus point for dvb-s

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Fackamato:

could the mythtv backend run on a windows host?

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directhex:

justinh, filth!

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iamlindoro_:

No

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Fackamato:

I guess not native.. so, in, er, what is it called... that environment

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directhex:

Fackamato, no effing chance

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directhex:

Fackamato, mythbackend relies 100% on the video4linux2 kernel driver model

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Fackamato:

ah

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justinh:

"but muh muh muhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, virtual thingies, mutter mutter" :-\

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Fackamato:

okay, thanks for a quick reply, now I know

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iamlindoro_:

Plus, it's a terrible, terrible, terrible idea and makes me violently ill.

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justinh:

oi loikes moi miffteevee re-lyables innit

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iamlindoro_:

Justinh, are you bovvered?

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justinh:

I've only ever seen XP boxes crash when capturing video these last 3 years so I'd bet a miffyteevee on windows isn't a great idea

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directhex:

"better mobile and mobile broadband services came out on top"

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directhex:

i feel physically ill :|

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justinh:

directhex: being able to update your facebook (BARF) profile while on the no. 37 bus is IMPERATIVE, don't you know anything dude?! ;)

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directhex:

justinh, http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/06/19

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directhex:

justinh, 4hd starts today, apparently

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at0m|c:

hi, i'm looking for a USB IR receiver, to control my laptop's mythtv frontend. i read on lirc.org they dont support usb dongles – anyone have a hint for me on that?

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at0m|c:

only my pvr backend has an IR port for now, from the pvr-250, but that ain't of much use when it's in the cellar

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iamlindoro_:

at0m|c, there are tons... the MCE USB receiver (which comes with PVR-150s and 500s, might be able to get one seperate on e-bay)... also the Snapstream remote/receiver... among many others, but those two are common.

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iamlindoro_:

Or get an HTPC case with a built-in receiver

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at0m|c:

iamlindoro_, not getting any other htpc's (i have a couple spare laptops and pc's eh, gf will go crazy;), but i'll look into the MCE receivers you mentioned

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iamlindoro_:

Not the pc, just the case. Just an option.

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at0m|c:

ah, i see

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iamlindoro_:

dump whatever you want in there

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iamlindoro_:

Many of the htpc cases have IR receivers.

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iamlindoro_:

Which, in spite of their internal connection, are USB.

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iamlindoro_:

ebay search for "Microsoft IR receiver turns up six results with prices between $1 an $20.

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at0m|c:

oki, excellent! will check, have to go for 30mins or so

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at0m|c:

cheers iamlindoro_

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iamlindoro_:

no prob

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iamlindoro_:

looks like someone's having a hard time maintaining their internet connection

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justinh:

damn there's a considerable lack of IEC mains leads in this house

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justinh:

heheheh last update on my dev box was 14034

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Durando:

hello, I am thinking about building a mythtv system for my home. I am wondering if it is possible to build a myth database that contains the information I want it to outside of the Mythtv UI so I can archieve all my music and possibly my movies with the data that I want (IE coverart, album details, movie descriptions, etc) and have the full benefit of this information in mythtv

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justinh:

it's possible but you'll be virtually on your own

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directhex:

hacking the db by hand is icky, but possible

[21:03:31]

directhex:

mythweb isn't terrible for editing video metadata

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iamlindoro_:

It'd be far wiser to create a myth database within frontend/backend and learn to interface with it than the opposite.

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justinh:

I think somebody's talking about doing it en masse

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justinh:

automagically,even

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justinh:

mythmusic can't retrieve cover art and anything that does (probably other than itunes) is being naughty & scraping sites

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Durando:

something along that line justinh, I honestly have alot of problems with linux and would more than likely be doing the building of the database from a windows based machine

[21:05:22]

justinh:

so use Media Portal instead then

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, fucking free software hippies.

[21:05:33]

justinh:

if you're scared of using linux, mythtv is probably not for you

[21:05:33]

directhex:

justinh, amazon have an api specifically for it

[21:05:55]

directhex:

justinh, i've done album art before using their SOAP API

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justinh:

directhex: there are T&Cs attached to the API I bet though

[21:06:28]

justinh:

like "show all the 'buy this album' links & crap"

[21:06:39]

Durando:

iamlindoro, i wasn't saying anything about not liking the idea of linux. But I live in a strictly windows world at home, work and anywhere else i access a pc so the transition may be a bit more painful than i'm prepared for

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iamlindoro_:

either way, batter to create a "skeleton" database properly (ie *with* a proper myth setup) and use it as a template to expand however you want

[21:06:55]

directhex:

justinh, you'd be surprised

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justinh:

Durando: the bottom line is, mythtv can manage all that itself and there are scripts which can make life much easier

[21:07:51]

justinh:

jees man over 3 years ago I baulked at the very idea of setting up a linux box

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directhex:

justinh, they don't NEED to attach those t&cs, because in the end, they're banking on major convenience to influence people more than onerous licensing terms

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justinh:

my mate said "why not try mythtv?".. I said "MUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH,, ARGHHH BUT IT'S LINUXY :("

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justinh:

and then the pod came & a more linux-friendly me popped out

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justinh:

directhex: BTW.. what's worse than a windows fanboy at work?

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justinh:

I mean, a work colleague who'd be very inadequately described as a windows fanboy...

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justinh:

a windows fanboy who has recently bought a Mac :( Oh ffs SHUT UP already. Yes I _know_ how nice non-MS OS are

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Durando:

is it possible with myth to have a large centralized database and media stored that can be streamed to several other myth systems even if they are mobile?

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justinh:

Durando: no

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justinh:

forget the last word & you're almost there

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justinh:

though mythtv only streams TV (live & recorded TV shows). won't stream music or videos, or pictures

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justinh:

for the rest there are network filesystems like NFS :)

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Durando:

so through nfs i would be able to have a Mythmusic (only mythmusic) system that read off the central storage for its database and media?

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justinh:

yes

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directhex:

justinh, one of my office pcs is a very nice mac. it was the best-value linux workstation that met my requirements

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justinh:

the mythtv database is THE mythtv database

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justinh:

you need only one – indeed mythtv supports only using one

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justinh:

directhex: oh I don't doubt it. this guy's gone from windows to mac fanboy in a flash & it's annoying

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Durando:

nice so now all i need to do is learn linux, get a stable install of a distro, get a stable myth install and build a database. I should be up and running in about 10 years if i start right now lol

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iamlindoro_:

Again, no need to "build" a database. Let myth handle it for you, *then* figure out how/if to interface with it

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directhex:

go on then, i'm feeling nice. http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10005

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directhex:

YMMV. IANAL. IDDQD

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Durando:

ty directhex that will be a good starting point i beleive

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Durando:

sorry if i sound anti linux its just that i've been using windows since 3.1 and its hard to get away from a precompiled environment

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justinh:

who says you have to move away from a precompiled environment?!

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directhex:

i've been running windows since 1994. these days i'm a professional linux systems manager and freelance tech writer

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justinh:

and on the 9th day, $deity invented _packages_

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directhex:

says mister compiles-his-own-random-mythtv-revision!

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justinh:

yeah but only cos I'm weird

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Durando:

generally speaking every linux distro i have attempted to install, something went ascew during my trial and error and i ended up with a unbootable system before long

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justinh:

and I don't want to upgrade my backend just yet

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justinh:

Durando: then it sounds like you need ubuntu

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justinh:

you have to be an expert to fuck ubuntu up

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jams:

guess i'm an expert then

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Durando:

lol

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** justinh puts his hand up.. and me ;) **

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justinh:

seriously though you have to work quite hard to mess ubuntu up so bad it won't boot

[21:20:20]

Durando:

i was told that gentoo was a good distro that allowed for alot of customization once you become more familiar with nix

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justinh:

er.. it needs a shedload of customisation right from the very off!

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directhex:

there's nothing good about gentoo for 99.99% of use cases

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justinh:

and it demands you become familiar as you install it

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** directhex prepares for flame war **

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justinh:

baptism of fire, I called it

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directhex:

i don't mind, i'm used to massive flames now. my ps3 linux article has attracted a most curious breed of troll

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justinh:

I didn't find it too bad as a linux noob but it's a hard slog

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iamlindoro_:

Barrier ro entry is lower than it's ever been

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iamlindoro_:

er to

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justinh:

Durando: a lot of people swear by knoppmyth. a lot of people swear at mythdora. others try mythbuntu

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Durando:

how well does mytv run in an emulated install (IE Cygwin etc)

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iamlindoro_:

no

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directhex:

Durando, cygwin isn't what you think it is

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justinh:

/ignore virtual crap again

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iamlindoro_:

banish that thought

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Durando:

ok virtual is bad

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Durando:

mmm k

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justinh:

Durando: seriously if you're _that_ allergic to linux, MediaPortal

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justinh:

though I have a feeling you'll be back ;)

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directhex:

Durando, there's actually an in-development port of the FRONTEND component of mythtv (i.e. the part for viewing/accessing media stored on a linux-based BACKEND), but you need to run bleeding edge self-compiled software for that really

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Durando:

i'm not allergic to linux i'm just trying to find a starting point because i dont have a system (yet) to devote to this project/learning process

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justinh:

Durando: download an ubuntu cd. boot off it as a livecd without changing a thing on your HDD. play with it

[21:24:13]

justinh:

maybe install it on a spare box & get the feel of it

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directhex:

cygwin isn't emulation of linux or a pc. cygwin is a POSIX layer – i.e. you can cmopile any POSIX-compatible code against the cygwin layer (rather than the linux or bsd etc layers). in theory

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clever:

my mythfrontend is not responding

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** justinh thwacks clever's frontend **

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justinh:

that better?

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clever:

its redrawing when i alt+tab to it but isnt leaving the recording list when i hit escape

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justinh:

try rm -rf /

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directhex:

cygwin is mostly mentioned in the context of linux because linux is the biggest POSIX target – so a lot of linux software can also be compiled on cygwin

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clever:

a kill will do it but wont stop it from happening again

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Daviey:

justinh: !

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, lol, I never have the courage to try that joke for fear someone will actually *do* it

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justinh:

oh shit it's the pro-ubuntu IRC police again :(

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Durando:

alright i'll try a livecd to get a feel for the os and then start trying to piece together a "spare box"

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justinh:

Durando: I hope you'll find it's not even half as scary as you think it is. Honest

[21:26:35]

Daviey:

justinh: I suggested someone dd over their hd the other day :D

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iamlindoro_:

Durando, Myth can be an absolutel simple pleasure to set up presuming you a) follow a good howto, and b) choose good, well supported hardware

[21:26:48]

clever:

one person wanted to know how to totaly remove linux

[21:26:58]

clever:

he didnt think xp was able to install over it:P

[21:27:05]

clever:

i helped him dd /dev/zero over his disk

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clever:

from within linux:P

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directhex:

clever, there are guides on support.microsoft.com on how to "uninstall" linux

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justinh:

Durando: note – if you decide to give mythtv on ubuntu a go, PLEASE follow the ubuntu community mythtv documentation and NOT some unclued bint's blog entries. PLEASE!

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clever:

directhex: lol

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clever:

directhex: do you even need to?:P

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SiD3WiNDR:

clever: well, rm -rf / works, and also nicely cleans all your data partitions/disks you had mounted ;D

[21:27:43]

directhex:

i'm not unclued. i'm SMRT!

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clever:

directhex: cant you just remove the partition from the setup cd?

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clever:

SiD3WiNDR: rm -rf wont actualy get rid of the partitions and wont actualy clear the data out

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Durando:

i'm glad that myth has a good support channel like this and i really appreciate your input guys, i'll let you know how it goes from here forward

[21:28:22]

SiD3WiNDR:

clever: oh? why do you think so?

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justinh:

Durando: as far as ubuntu installs go, trust only the ubuntu community documentation. REALLY

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SiD3WiNDR:

clever: rm does not stop at mountpoints

[21:28:33]

clever:

SiD3WiNDR: the actual data is still on the disk

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SiD3WiNDR:

clever: yes, but your filesystem is gone.

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clever:

and the filesystem under the mount point wont actualy be gone

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clever:

youll just have an empty filesystem

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SiD3WiNDR:

sigh :)

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iamlindoro_:

Mreow! Hssssss! Mreow!

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SiD3WiNDR:

good thing I said "cleaned" and not "removed" eh :>

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justinh:

clever: well with no cp command you can't save it ;)

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

but if the winblows install cd cant install over a normal linux

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clever:

it wont be able to install over a empty ext3:P

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SiD3WiNDR:

removing linux partition on dual boot will require clever (excuse the pun) window user to fix the mbr

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clever:

yeah

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justinh:

funny isn't it, you're always in here saying such & such a thing in your myth setup is knackered, and you're using the most cobbled-together boxes I've ever heard of in my life ;)

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clever:

which is what ive said to trick my dad into leaving linux on his pc:P

[21:30:17]

clever:

i havent explained that i can fix it:P

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justinh:

I'm still impressed my core2 duo system didn't burst into flames when it was going full tilt compilering

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justinh:

bloody athlon FUD

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justinh:

CPUs are _supposed_ to get red hot, they said

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clever:

lol

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clever:

ive had my laptop at 80c often

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clever:

once i hit even 90

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justinh:

"oh that, yeah the heatsink changes colour to orange – it's sensitive to load – loada-chromic we call it"

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clever:

its currently 33 with the fan on high and idle 700mhz

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justinh:

so enough about the athlon xp. god it's gonna be so cold in this room when I finally pension those 2 of them off :P

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clever:

lol

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clever:

the air from my laptop cpu fan is actualy allmost too hot to hold my hand near when its at full temp

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justinh:

I might have to buy some Lian-Li PSUs to compensate or something

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justinh:

omfg I can't believe I just read "If your backend crashes from time to time, then you should definately take a look at a new page on the mythtv.org wiki." talking about using pcsk to keep mythbackend running. oh man I can't even begin to describe how wrong that is

[21:37:31]

clever:

lol

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clever:

link?

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_pc . . . _mythbackend

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justinh:

note the lack of "of course, the best thing to do (if you can be arsed) is find out why the backend is falling over so often you need to supervise its ass, and either fix the problem or post a bug report at svn.mythtv.org"

[21:40:06]

iamlindoro_:

I don't know what you mean, I love to watch my recordings in six-minute increments between each backend crash

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clever:

has some poor spelling here and there

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clever:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

Then I can pretend I'm watching TV on YouTube

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clever:

iamlindoro_: i dont need to pretend

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clever:

i got youtube quality!

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iamlindoro_:

Hehe

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iamlindoro_:

Sweet, now you just need to make each person in your house film a "reaction video" for each thing you record, and you'll have your own little Google-aqcuisition.

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clever:

i actualy dont notice the horid quality when watching it on a plain tv

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clever:

i only notice it on a computer display

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directhex:

justinh, i resorted to doing it for a while. myth choked & crashed on low-quality signals from one of my dvb cards

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opentrinity:

sorry for the stupid question...could i use mythtv without tv device?

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directhex:

yeah, but myth isn't designed for that use case

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directhex:

you'll enjoy freevo or somesuch more

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clever:

2007-12–10 17:45:12.985 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Required Free Space: 1.0 GB w/freq: 15 min

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clever:

normaly thats been saying 2gig and 10min

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clever:

what might cause it to change its mind?

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clever:

2007-12–10 10:28:22.269 AutoExpire: Found max recording rate of 72 MB/min

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clever:

2007-12–10 10:28:22.270 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Required Free Space: 2.0 GB w/freq: 15 min

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opentrinity:

directhex why when i give mythtv-setup returns 100 errors? like QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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directhex:

opentrinity, you don't have mysql-database installed

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clever:

opentrinity: you need the mysql server setup right and mysql.txt set to the name/pw right

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opentrinity:

directhex , clever i don't find anything in the wiki...how i can setup mysql?

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clever:

its in the howto

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directhex:

opentrinity, that's distribution specific. and you must be reading the wrong wiki if you can't see any mention of the database

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opentrinity:

directhex sorry but all the times i run mythtv-setup i'll do the same things but nothing changes

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clever:

mysql has to be setup properly before you run mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro_:

Also, if you're running Ubuntu, I think it's boneheaded and doesn't install the libqt3-mt-mysql package, so make sure that's installed via apt

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opentrinity:

clever: could u help me ...reading the wiki i don't understand

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clever:

you need to read the howto

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opentrinity:

i read the how to :-/

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iamlindoro_:

Which "the" howto

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opentrinity:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual

[22:09:21]

iamlindoro_:

Find a hwoto specific to your distro

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iamlindoro_:

And if Ubuntu, as Justinh recently mentioned, only use the Ubuntu community docs

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opentrinity:

i have debian

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opentrinity:

lenny

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iamlindoro_:

If you don't understand the instructions in the wiki, You may want to consider an all-in-one distro my mythbuntu

[22:11:16]

iamlindoro_:

er like

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iamlindoro_:

Because if you don't understand the concept of *needing* the database, then you probably shouldn't be setting one up manually

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opentrinity:

:-/

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opentrinity:

for debian i don't find howto

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** iamlindoro_ is clearly wasting his breath **

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opentrinity:

sorry iamlindoro

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: install mythbuntu

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clever:

my ccache isnt working right anymore:(

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opentrinity:

i consider this but if i prefer have only one ditribution

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity, it's still debian based... but it takes care of the configuration for you.

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iamlindoro_:

so it will be familiar but less frustrating, probably

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fuhgawz:

hello

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fuhgawz:

can someone help me out with some concepts

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fuhgawz:

about mythtv

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fuhgawz:

???

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iamlindoro_:

fuhgawz, don't act impatient, if you have a question then ask it, don't expect all 200 people in here to say hello

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro works :-)

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Daviey:

hello ; thought i'd start the mexican wave

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directhex:

\o/

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fuhgawz:

ok

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fuhgawz:

i would like to know if i can use mythtv for video logging/monitoring tv channels

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clever:

zoneminder i beleive is a program for that

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clever:

and there is a plugin to view zone minder from within mythtv if you wanted pvr and zoneminder in the same box

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iamlindoro_:

Just to be clear, what exactly do you mean by "logging/monitoring" and are we talking about television or security feeds?

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fuhgawz:

television

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iamlindoro_:

and logging/monitoring

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iamlindoro_:

?

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iamlindoro_:

I presume you mean more than just "recording," which of course mythtv does

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fuhgawz:

recording/editing the records

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fuhgawz:

i know that mythtv does the recording and the editing

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clever:

with security your probly going to want 24/7 recording

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iamlindoro_:

then yes, that's exactly what mythtv does

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clever:

not on and off recording from a tv guide sched

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fuhgawz:

i cant use a tv guide

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fuhgawz:

because im outside USA

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iamlindoro_:

fuhgawz, lots of outside US people have guide data

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clever:

tonight at 5 oclock there will be a robery on camera 3

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clever:

:P

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iamlindoro_:

write an XML grabber for your provider

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fuhgawz:

im in the dominican republic

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fuhgawz:

and i know wich channels to log

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fuhgawz:

im using rigth now for the same task a volicon server

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fuhgawz:

with the same osprey 440 card and its running a propietary software

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fuhgawz:

im logging 4 static channels all the time and with a web interface some employees watch those channels and get the clips that they need

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, yes, you can set up manual records on whatever channels you want, or you can write a grabber for your country's television, there are many many of them out there... and myth will record as much as you want.

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iamlindoro_:

setting manual records is simple enough

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iamlindoro_:

And, theoretically, your employees could still get clips off a web server via MythWeb, but that would be cleanest if you set up listings first.

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fuhgawz:

yeah half an hour before i plugged in the 4 cable box to the mythtv box and i could see the 4 different channels on mythfrontend pressing the Y key

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iamlindoro_:

That way they know what they're downloading

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fuhgawz:

yeah

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fuhgawz:

but u cant watch the recordings over the browser?

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iamlindoro_:

sure you can, if you're running mythtv SVN

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fuhgawz:

oh

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iamlindoro_:

you can play them in the mythweb flash player

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clever:

mythweb can also stream the raw recordings to another normal player

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fuhgawz:

nice and can i edit them over the web?

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iamlindoro_:

No

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clever:

ive had mythweb stream into vlc then

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iamlindoro_:

You'd need to use mythfrontend or download the recording and edit it in another program

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fuhgawz:

ok

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clever:

with the proper manual sched entrys you can have it broken up into 30min or 1h chunks automaticaly

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fuhgawz:

another question can i see the 4 channels on 1 screen

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iamlindoro_:

You can do picture-in-picture, but only 2 as far as I know... Myth isn't designed to be used for media companies

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fuhgawz:

or i have to see them with picture n picture or pressing y key

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fuhgawz:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

Do what we did at my old work-- before hitting the Osprey, pipe the BNC into a security camera box, which has four passthroughs and one output... so it will output a 4-up image, and the signal passed through to the capture card.

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iamlindoro_:

called a "quad box."

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fuhgawz:

yeah that could be a solution

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clever:

ive seen one of those at the beer store

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clever:

multiple camera feeds into 1 box which fed the screen

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fuhgawz:

do u imlindoro work with mythtv?

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clever:

and it was in the scaning mode fliping between channels

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iamlindoro_:

fuhgawz, only as a user

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iamlindoro_:

clever, exactly, most of them have a scan mode and a static 4-up mode.

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fuhgawz:

oh ok i would like to hire someone just to setup my mythtv

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clever:

yep

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clever:

using the 4up mode you can get 4 feeds into 1 recording

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fuhgawz:

in outsourcing mode

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clever:

but youll be forced to watch all 4 at once enless you cut a section out

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iamlindoro_:

clever, no, the 4-up is just displayed, the four signals are still passed to the four capture devices

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clever:

ahh

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iamlindoro_:

4 x passthrough, 1x display

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clever:

i meant record the merged image

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clever:

ive only got 1 input on my box so thats my only choice

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iamlindoro_:

would also be possible

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, we used something like this: http://www.surveillance-video.com/apfibwqupr. . . . 0=apfibwqupr

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clever:

and myth can zoom on 1 corner easily using mythfrontend

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iamlindoro_:

not exactly that, but similar... I called a local security company and told them what we needed, and they got us a box

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clever:

if you where cheap on hardware/diskspace and didnt need much quality on the feeds you could record 4 of them in 1 stream

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iamlindoro_:

I have a feeling fuhgawz works for a media comapny where they aggregate the media and need good sources for editing/cutting

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iamlindoro_:

In our case, we were doing some work for nfl network, and had the editors working on individual games, while the managers monitors the 4-up

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fuhgawz:

yeag

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opentrinity:

tx...bye

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[jasper]:

that's a big loss then GreyFoxx

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[jasper]:

since I liked the Internal player..and Now I have to go back to mplayer

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directhex:

[jasper], a big loss for whom? there's no legal way to do what you're doing, so why support it?

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[jasper]:

what do you mean?

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[jasper]:

no legal way?

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[jasper]:

wanting to play a .wmv is illegal?

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directhex:

wanting to use binary decoders in violation of the license terms under which they're offered, sure

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directhex:

and let's not talk about where your HD video actually comes from

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[jasper]:

let's do so

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[jasper]:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia . . . howcase.aspx

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[jasper]:

trying to find out if my box could run hd

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[jasper]:

so don't make these claims that i download illegal stuff please

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iamlindoro_:

Your righteous indignation doesn't make using w32codecs any more legal.

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[jasper]:

so there's a rule you can't use the .dll without windows? didn't know about that....i Knew you're not allowed to reverse engineer it

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directhex:

[jasper], you can use the dll without windows if the license allows you to do so. the license for WMP11 definitely does not

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iamlindoro_:

you seem to be intentionally misunderstanding. Nobody said using a DLL was illegal... any piece of software, whether it be .dll, .exe, or whatever, is still subject to license terms

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[jasper]:

so then i guess mythtvideo is nearing it's end, if it's not gonna be able to play certain videos

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iamlindoro_:

Yes, mythvideo is dead, fuck mythtv, you people suck, etc, etc

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[jasper]:

your words, not mine

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iamlindoro_:

kbye

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directhex:

mythvideo plays infinitely more codecs & formats than windows media player

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[jasper]:

so what about the earlier versions of wma

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[jasper]:

how come we can play the sound of those?

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iamlindoro_:

Internal player is based on ffmpeg, which has an open-source implementation of those formats

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directhex:

because the bitstream has been reverse-engineered by the ffmpeg developers

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iamlindoro_:

Which is perfectly legal, even under DMCA, since it doesn't circumvent DRM

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directhex:

nobody's done so for wma pro 9, since there are about 6 files ever made that use the format

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directhex:

even the zune doesn't support it properly

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xand:

[jasper]: btw... this *is* the channel for user questions

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directhex:

and for snarky "PEBCAK" user answers!

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xand:

that's for everywhere

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xand:

s/that's/they're/

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directhex:

pfft, xand can't type

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directhex:

PEBCAK!

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xand:

sadly not, there's no chair involved.

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Mersault:

is there a way to use the parental controls in mythtv to limit the number of hours per day/week that can be watched?

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cccp:

that is evil :P

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