Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, December 3rd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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justinh:

to hell with it (for today). I should be happy I finally got the TVout working so well

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directhex:

justinh, what was the trick?

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justinh:

xrandr, funnily enough

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justinh:

for both the pal setting AND overscan

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black_Nightmare_:

does anyone ever know of a keyboard with...oh hell never mind it..... :/

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black_Nightmare_:

(like duh)

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[Jasper]:

ok work directhex

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[Jasper]:

now I need to change the font and stuff

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bird603568:

has anyone tried mythtv over a hardware raid?

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justinh:

directhex: it turned out that when I was trying xrandr --output TV --set TV_FORMAT PAL I should have been following that with a mode change

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directhex:

bird603568, plenty of people

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bird603568:

ok good i just picked up an ml370

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bird603568:

for 50$

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justinh:

hrm. not bad. 60 secs to boot into X

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bird603568:

got to love old enterprise hardware

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directhex:

a 4u server?

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bird603568:

yes

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justinh:

60 secs without hacking init to pieces, too

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bird603568:

i need 4 more 15k scsi tho

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bird603568:

when i went to pick it up it had 4 dead 15ks

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bird603568:

and he put 10ks in there and i didnt notice

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bird603568:

but im going to put it raid 5 with a hot fail

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black_Nightmare_:

bird....heh..what processor is this on? xeon?

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bird603568:

dual 1 ghz xeons

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bird603568:

with 1 gig of ram but i just snagged 4 gigs off ebay for 30$ shipped

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black_Nightmare_:

damn...do you know what board it is? :p

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bird603568:

not off the top of my head but i know it supports up to 4 gigs

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm

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black_Nightmare_:

well thats one nice system tho :p

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bird603568:

yep

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black_Nightmare_:

at least are these xeon's socket or slot2?

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bird603568:

slots

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bird603568:

i need to get a new psu since 1 of the 3 is dead but he told me that before i showed up

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[Jasper]:

anyhone know how we can change the font size of mythtv subtitles?

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justinh:

well, time for bed. g'night all

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black_Nightmare_:

hmmm well bird...have fun :)

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black_Nightmare_:

and by the way...why THREE psu? 0_o

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black_Nightmare_:

thats like double reducency heh

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, redundancy

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bird603568:

but i tossed my barracuda in there to for extra storage and its reading at 3.7mb/s

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, 2/3 needed for functionality

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black_Nightmare_:

directhex...most tyan boards I looked at were usually just two atx headers

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bird603568:

black_Nightmare_, because it needs 2

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bird603568:

but has a hot fail

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, tyan is bad for your health

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bird603568:

he was trying to sell me dl380's

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bird603568:

he had 10

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black_Nightmare_:

directhex..how come?

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bird603568:

but they were 1.13ghz

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bird603568:

but i wanted the 6 scsi hotswap

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bird603568:

and pci slots

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, i have bad experience with tier 2 kit

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black_Nightmare_:

directhex...yeah? hmm ok

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black_Nightmare_:

hm say..

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black_Nightmare_:

is asus still into the server board market or not much anymore?

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, i don't build servers. home-made servers mean no vendor you can shout at

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black_Nightmare_:

directhex..I didn't meant actual servers..I meant by the motherboard wise

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black_Nightmare_:

sorry for that confusion heh

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directhex:

asus are the only ones doing prosumer boards. no server boards though

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black_Nightmare_:

ah ok

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directhex:

i approve of anything unconventional, and their prosumer kit is certainly unconventional

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bird603568:

but at least that i dont pay for power

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** xris no longer works for a server maker **

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xris:

:(

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bird603568:

next year my friend is living with me and he has the same server as me

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directhex:

my home server is reasonably serverish for something home-made

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directhex:

ECC RAM, PCI-X RAID controller, excessive power consumption...

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directhex:

xris, server makers are all smelly though

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black_Nightmare_:

heh pci-x 2.1a I presume?

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xris:

directhex: siliconmechanics isn't

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jduggan:

what are you doing now xris

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xris:

jduggan: I'm technically between jobs... last day was friday, new job starts tomorrow

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xris:

but I'll be working for ifloor.com on their ERP

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directhex:

xris, smells humdrum to me. humdrum and foreign!

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xris:

directhex: humdrum?

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xris:

but definitely foreign for you (although they ship plenty of machines to europe)

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directhex:

xris, humdrum as in "lots of people do the same thing. it's the norm, the status quo. boring"

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xris:

could be. but they do it better than most.

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AriX_:

hey everyone!

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AriX_:

anyone good at compiling mythtv on a mac? I'm running into some troubles

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bsdfox:

pastebin the error

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AriX_:

ok

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm that reminds me

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black_Nightmare_:

anyone own any of the hauppauge dual tuners?

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AriX_:

http://pastebin.ca/803992

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bsdfox:

black_Nightmare_: I have a pvr500

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AriX_:

qt seemed to compile fine, what's this about a threaded qt?

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AriX_:

I'm using osx-packager.pl

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AriX_:

with all the plugins enabled, as well as the backend

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bsdfox:

you need to recompile qt with threads enabled

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AriX_:

on 10.4.11, intel mac mini

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bsdfox:

pretty self explanatory imo

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AriX_:

Well, that part is obvious :P but what should I do to make it do that? is it a ./configure option?

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black_Nightmare_:

bsdfox...just curious..like what mhz is the system with the pvr500?

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bsdfox:

lol, I moved it from an a64 3200+ to a p2–450 yesterday

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bsdfox:

working well for capture, mythweb is hideously slow now though

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bsdfox:

I have a pvr250 in there too

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bird603568:

do both the front and backend need a sound card?

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bird603568:

or just the front end?

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm well any experience on recording off one channel in background (or whatever heh) and watching a different channel yourself at the same time?

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directhex:

the back-end needs tuners, and ideally a cpu

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bsdfox:

black_Nightmare_: yeah I did a lot of testing

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AriX_:

hmm googling found this: --enable-threads=posix

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bird603568:

im getting a 150 and it has dual 1ghz xeons

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AriX_:

I'll try to edit osx-packager.pl... thanks for the help!

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bird603568:

and the front end is just some random amd x2

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bsdfox:

black_Nightmare_: as long as it's not deleting or anything it can handle capture of 3 at a time or 2 plus one livetv

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directhex:

AriX_, it's Qt that needs recompiling, remember

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bsdfox:

program guide is pretty fast.

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bird603568:

so the backend doesnt need a tuner?

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AriX_:

directhex: I know, I'm changing osx-packager.pl to compile qt with --enable-threads=posix

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bird603568:

soundcard*

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bird603568:

the docs said it does but i assumed that the front and back end are the same in the docs

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directhex:

bird603568, the backend needs a sound card if, and only if, you're using a framegrabber tv card which uses a line-in loopback cable for audio

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bird603568:

ok well its a 150 so its hardware encoder

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black_Nightmare_:

bsdfox....ok thanks..this would be on the athlon64 or PII? I'm guessing the former? :p

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bsdfox:

this is on the p2. everything ran great concurrently on the a64

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AriX_:

also, before I run the packager script again, is there anything specific I should do to make it work with firewire?

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bsdfox:

I am not running any commflagging or transcoding on the p2 for obvious reasons

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AriX_:

I vaguely remember something about -enable-firewire, should I add that to ./configure for mythtv?

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AriX_:

man I sound newbish lol

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black_Nightmare_:

bsdfox...heh...well my board is eventually going to be a 400/433mhz (I don't feel like doing slokeys at this point for now) so was just wondering about it if I ever decide to add a tv tuner card

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bsdfox:

I'll be replacing my backend soon. either need a p4 or I'll just pick up a cheap e2140 or celeron 430 system

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directhex:

why p4?

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black_Nightmare_:

heh well I'm still pondering about tv tuners or not considering that expansion slots are a bit scare on this old board ^_^

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black_Nightmare_:

(I could just pull a multimedia agp card but..meh :p )

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bsdfox:

directhex: cause I have a p4 mobo sitting in the corner

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bsdfox:

and I have extra ddr1

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black_Nightmare_:

could be nice if I could figure a/v over firewire but meh as it stands...doesn't even look likely at all

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black_Nightmare_:

bsdfox mind if I ask if you're only using onboard or you got any sound cards? ^_^

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bsdfox:

I think I've got a generic soundblaster kicking around in a frontend somewhere

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bsdfox:

but I mostly just use onboard

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black_Nightmare_:

heh ok

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone here have the issue running mythtv svn that when you click on liveTV the video comes up all garbled and pink?

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iamlindoro:

It's not myth, it's your nvidia driver

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iamlindoro:

roll back to 100.14.11 to fix it

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AriX_:

GRR>

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AriX_:

I did a clean, and now, even though I compiled qt with threads (which is supposed to be the default) I still get the error!

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ShiftyPowers:

ah

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ShiftyPowers:

iamlindoro, nice, i'm going to try that then

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ShiftyPowers:

thanks man

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** AriX_ is frustrated. **

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AriX_:

anyone got any tips?

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AriX_:

you people aren't very helpful :p

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iamlindoro:

Hey, f off, you get all the help you pay for

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bsdfox:

:)

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AriX_:

I'll pay someone if they can help lol

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** black_Nightmare_ looks at two of you and gets two seperate thick rolled up newspaper to whack both **

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black_Nightmare_:

:p

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AriX_:

lol

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bsdfox:

AriX_: afaik no one in here runs it on a mac

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AriX_:

I see

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bsdfox:

you should google for it

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AriX_:

I'm trying :P

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AriX_:

well, I could try mythbuntu again

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iamlindoro:

I do, but I'm not going to do a *damn* thing with that attitude

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AriX_:

iamlindoro: Man, I was just kidding around lol

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AriX_:

It's hard to read expressions on the internet, isn't it ;(

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AriX_:

anyway, there's a bug in 7.10 with Mac Mini DVI-to-DVI, so maybe I'll try 7.04

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mzb:

any zoneminder users here? Just wondering if I can use 1.22.3 with svn trunk (instead of 1.22.2)

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lightning:

i'm back

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AriX_:

wb

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lightning:

although now my question scrolled off the top as i was away :P

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lightning:

running mythfrontend as my normal user, go into live tv, it displays. go to menu, go back to live tv. black screen and startplayer eventually times out about nvp failing after 20000 msec. however, run mythfrontend as root and this is not a problem

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lightning:

ideas?

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lightning:

i never see any errors in the debug about file access

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orkid:

is it possible to have a mythtv 'server' remotely, and use it from a local computer, like vnc ?

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orkid:

i'm guessing it's possible, but wanted to make sure before i make plans for an installation. would i be also able to use an IR remote (for example) that sends a signal to the client, and this is sent to the server?

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directhex:

mythtv is client-server by design

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AriX_:

orkid, the client actually manages the IR

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kdubya:

heh

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directhex:

backends record media, frontends show media. any combination of backends and frontends is fine.

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AriX_:

if you send a command to the client, the client will react

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AriX_:

it won't need to be passed along to the backend

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lightning:

realize it is not the backend displaying the actual data

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orkid:

AriX_: ok. but what i'm talking about is possible i guess (with you talking about backend/client)

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AriX_:

yeah.

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lightning:

the frontend is streaming data off the backend, whether or not the backend is local or a remote machine) to display

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orkid:

yes, the client is. so there is a mythtv backend component, and a client component?

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directhex:

orkid, yes, by design

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AriX_:

the answer to your question is, for all intensive purposes, yes, you just didn't say it quite right

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AriX_:

that's a wierd expression :P

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lightning:

or he doesnt realize exactly how myth works

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orkid:

oh. so it's the same as a local, you're just putting the client on a remote machine. great. what are the processor requirements for a client? how about say a measly 233Mhz 64meg? :)

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AriX_:

much more than that :P

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orkid:

400Mhz 128?

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orkid:

256?

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AriX_:

400mhz 256 could work

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AriX_:

I think

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orkid:

i think i read somewhere that for vlc you need 450/256 on the client.

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AriX_:

actually no, not 400mhz

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AriX_:

I'm thinking PPC today.

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directhex:

orkid, vlc is irrelevant here

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AriX_:

directhex: not quite, he does have a point that you'd need something similar to be able to play video

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bsdfox:

orkid: depends what you want to play back

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orkid:

ok. i'm just comparing to something i know about. i don't know anything about myth yet

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mindframe_:

is there a text file that i can edit to add/change filetype association?

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directhex:

orkid, and the frontend needs the cpu power – the backend does not, unless you use a really crap tv card

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bsdfox:

low bitrate mpeg will work on a 233 w/ mmx probably

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lightning:

mindframe_ for mythtv, it is all in the database so you'd have to go into the settings

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orkid:

ntsc video only, but i'd be doing dvb-s and avi/etc , i'm guessing transcoding (i don't know if that's the right term) down to ntsc quality is not very feasible.

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directhex:

orkid, give a frontend the same spec you'd give a machine you expect to comfortably play DVD – the resolutions and bitrates are similar

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orkid:

why does the client need more cpu/ram than the backend? that seems counter-intuitive. i would think the client only receives a stream (like vnc), and sends commands.

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lightning:

ntsc is just a type of display to the tv

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lightning:

actual format is mpeg2

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GreyFoxx:

orkid: The client decodes the video and plays it

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directhex:

orkid, i.e. the lowest i'd consider is a p3 500 for SD

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GreyFoxx:

if you have DVB or avi's then the backend is just reading/writing files

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orkid:

yes, but ntsc defines the number of lines i need. ie, i don't need 720 or 1080 (atm)

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lightning:

figure the client is taking 100k of data and generating 1mb

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orkid:

SD?

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lightning:

probably extreme but an example. has to do it for every frame, 24 frames a sec

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directhex:

orkid, the backend just dumps video to disk, which with decent tv cards should already be in a decent format. the client has to decode and display (scaling alone is quite CPU intensive)

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orkid:

oh, so it might be better to put one of my lower power computers as a backend, and a higher power computer as a frontend?

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GreyFoxx:

orkid: Generally yes

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GreyFoxx:

assuming you don't use a cheap framegrabber capture card

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GreyFoxx:

those take a lot of cpu to encode

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GreyFoxx:

everything else takes almost 0% cpu

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lightning:

yes, the only exception is if you use a tv card that requires the backend to do processing on the data before it goes to disk

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orkid:

oh. i guess the decoding is done by the other party than in vlc . in vlc it's the backend, in myth it's the frontend. i guess the 'frontend/backend/ distinctions are also much different.

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lightning:

i run a pvr 500 so i can get 2 lines. backend does just file io for the most part

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lightning:

grab and dump, no extra work

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lightning:

a backend can handle multiple frontends hence offloading the decode to the frontends, save network bandwidth

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orkid:

i guess with a dvb-s card the backend processing doesn't matter much, since it's in mpeg2 already?

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lightning:

gotta keep the 24 frames/sec flowing smoothly, decoding on the backend means more data to transfer on the network

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GreyFoxx:

orkid: right

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GreyFoxx:

basically no cpu to record

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GreyFoxx:

just io

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lightning:

orkid: you got it

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orkid:

makes sense in this situation. you can have multiple TVs watching different things.

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lightning:

if it already sends data in mpeg2 format, backend does very little other than pass data around

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lightning:

yes

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AriX_:

hmm. how's a 400MHZ 512MB RAM for a backend you think guys? 400MHZ PPC G4, so that's better than a 400MHZ pentium or whatever

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lightning:

no clue, i run front and backend on my desktop comp (2ghz)

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orkid:

ok. another question. i have not seen any dvb-s cards that have a separate 'receiver' and 'tuner'. ie, could i get a card to just receive the signal (off coax) and then multiple tuner cards to tune into different channels? this would obviously require that the channels be of the same polarity... so does this even make sense to do?

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AriX_:

I'm having trouble with the backend on an Intel Mac Mini

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lightning:

orkid: being the signal comes off the coax, it is always built together, tune and receive the signal

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GreyFoxx:

orkid: no such thing

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lightning:

however with more and more of the cable companies going digital, you tend to have an external app to tune the cable box to the right channel (something i'm trying to setup but having difficulty)

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GreyFoxx:

At least not unless you are paying thousands like cableco's do

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orkid:

so if i want multiple channels off dvb-s then i need multiple cards. crud. how do places like fitenss clubs with TVs do it? they have a satellite dish, and people can watch all sorts of different channels.

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black_Nightmare_:

arix....yeah the G4's did have nicer rating than the PII's at the time

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GreyFoxx:

orkid: But if you use the svn mythtv-multirec branch you can record multiple shows off 1 dvb card at the same time if the channels are on the same multiplex

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GreyFoxx:

orkid: A room fulle of receivers :)

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orkid:

the same multiplex, you mean the same channel/fec/tp/etc ?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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orkid:

GreyFoxx: room full of receivers.. really?

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** lightning looks confused **

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GreyFoxx:

orkid: Generally yes

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GreyFoxx:

a small stack of them

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orkid:

wow. that's crazy inefficient it seems.

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lightning:

greyfoxx: link to info about that?

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orkid:

ie, at the Y near here, there are about 40 screens.

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GreyFoxx:

Some have a 4u box with several tuners in one, but it's basically the same thing

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orkid:

y being ymca fitness

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GreyFoxx:

You in NA ?

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orkid:

so i'm guessing these 4u boxes are expensive and not worth it for home use?

[01:36:58]

GreyFoxx:

orkid: Very expensive

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orkid:

yes, in NA

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GreyFoxx:

Not much available via DVBS in general

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GreyFoxx:

unless you have arotor to move the dish from sat to sat

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orkid:

yeah, there are some channels though. al jazeera english is fta, and it

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GreyFoxx:

ahh

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orkid:

's quality news channel

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GreyFoxx:

These days most of the FTA stuff is add channels for the encrypted movie channels and such :)

[01:38:29]

GreyFoxx:

but there are soem, and several kband out there

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orkid:

i'm just trying to find out in general about multi-channel capabilities of these systems, i'll probably have a tuner just locked in to one channel at a time, and if i need to get, another dish and card.

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mindframe_:

is there a way to make mythtv automatically load a movie file contained within a set of rar files?

[01:38:54]

GreyFoxx:

orkid: If your LNB has multiple outputs you can have 1 per card

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GreyFoxx:

instead of another dish

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GreyFoxx:

I have a dish that takes 2 lnbs, each with 2 outputs so I have have 4 cards off the one dish

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orkid:

i was very happy to see al jazeera unencrypted, .. i guess no sat-tv-provider in NA wanted to carry them? or they're just nice :)

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GreyFoxx:

though I've never had nore than 1 connected

[01:39:48]

GreyFoxx:

What bird is that on ?

[01:39:56]

GreyFoxx:

My dish has been in the shed since I last moved :)

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orkid:

GreyFoxx: but if the sats are not in the same place, it can be hard to setup, or not possible (depending on the size/shape of the dish)

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GreyFoxx:

certainly

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orkid:

intelsa5 iirc

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GreyFoxx:

One of these days I'll pick up a rotor and get my dish up and just scan for what I can find

[01:41:12]

orkid:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/BB1308 . . . 032FF957.htm

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GreyFoxx:

these days I use a QAM dvb card for unencryped cable channels, firewire and pvr cards

[01:41:15]

orkid:

what a link

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orkid:

There's also unencrypted radio channels out there, which is also nice.

[01:41:56]

orkid:

firewire for what?

[01:42:13]

orkid:

what are pvr cards? mpeg encoders+tv-tuners?

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GreyFoxx:

orkid: yes, analog ntsc tuners with mpeg encoders,

[01:42:47]

GreyFoxx:

firewire I use to record from a cablecompany settop box

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GreyFoxx:

including the HDTV channels

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orkid:

anyway, what is the status with dvb-s2 support ? or is that more of a #linuxtv thing

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GreyFoxx:

as far as I know they haven't even finished deciding on the spec for the api for s2

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GreyFoxx:

so I don';t think there is a working driver out there for anything

[01:43:41]

GreyFoxx:

but my info could be outdated

[01:44:11]

orkid:

i heard there was some hdr4000 (or whatever its called) and another proposal, and there were arguments over which one to adopt.

[01:44:48]

orkid:

can dvb-s2 cards be used to get a dvb-s signal? ie, if i get an s2 card now, can i get s signals (in linux) with it, by using s drivers?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't know :)

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orkid:

ok, ty for your help :)

[01:45:22]

GreyFoxx:

np

[01:46:02]

orkid:

i'm also thinking about getting an HDTV tuner card, i heard support's there, and there are channels already transmitting in HD in my area.

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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GreyFoxx:

not OTA HDTV channels in my area :/ but I get them from the settop box so it doesn't bother me too much

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** black_Nightmare_ is just sticking to the current 5–8 channels for free here as usual for time being ;) **

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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black_Nightmare_:

greyfoxx..the only alternative is rather a bit expensive for my liking yet so meh

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black_Nightmare_:

(oh yeah and thankgod this is canada and not usa... at least our fcc doesn't seem to have any plans yet)

[01:50:53]

orkid:

plans for what

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GreyFoxx:

black_Nightmare_: I'm not a big fan of the CRTC :)

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black_Nightmare_:

crtc?

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black_Nightmare_:

orkid...usa fcc wants to get rid of any direct analog .. enough said ^_^

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orkid:

i thought that was happening in canada too.

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GreyFoxx:

uhh.... the canadian equivalent to the american FCC

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orkid:

no? not on the same schedule?

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GreyFoxx:

orkid: nope

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orkid:

GreyFoxx: CRTC

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black_Nightmare_:

orkid..well I've only heard of 2008 in usa but nothing specific to canada at all

[01:53:01]

orkid:

huh, i should tell my friend that then, i've been scaring him recently :)

[01:53:04]

GreyFoxx:

orkid: yes, I just said that :)

[01:53:18]

GreyFoxx:

There has not been any canadian mandate

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lightning:

anyone ever used iguanaIR?

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black_Nightmare_:

well as I was saying...

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orkid:

oh, ok, i didn't read that line.

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black_Nightmare_:

its only either the typical air channel or expensive satellite and I don't want to have to bother with the $$ (setup especially) for the latter

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black_Nightmare_:

^_^

[01:54:37]

GreyFoxx:

we have 4 regular over the air channels locally, but they are crappy :)

[01:54:51]

GreyFoxx:

and my work pays for my internet and such

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GreyFoxx:

so I bundled cabletv into that

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black_Nightmare_:

iguanaIR? looked at them for a few days now..still pondering about it

[01:55:27]

** GreyFoxx hasn't had to pay for his own internet since 97 heh **

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lightning:

suppose to be great. receives my signals but i'd be damned if i can get the transmit to work. filed a help request with them trying to find out why

[01:57:21]

lightning:

it transmits "something" (can be seen if i put the transmitter and receiver near each other) but not what it needs to transmit

[01:57:32]

lightning:

trying to look at the code to see if i can compile a debug

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black_Nightmare_:

well I'm looking to eventually only pay the little power bill on top of flat $29.99/monthly phone when I finish the new place to finally live in .. as beside I'm only looking to a small income the way I'll like my lifestyle to be

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orkid:

that's an expensive monthly flat phone.

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lightning:

if i can fix the 1 transmit issue, i'd love this setup with iguanaIR

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black_Nightmare_:

orkid...nope

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orkid:

flat phone here is 20$/month (or jus ta little over)

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black_Nightmare_:

its the bare (you want expensive? go with 60–90 monthly)

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black_Nightmare_:

and you want call waiting? thats a small extra monthly too

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orkid:

yeah. here the same, but our bare service is 23–4 or something like that

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black_Nightmare_:

orkid..your service cover nearby long-distance too? (for me its with the occassional calls to montreal that I don't even get any charges for so far)

[02:00:54]

black_Nightmare_:

well..my grandmother lives there so go figure

[02:01:45]

orkid:

no. it's local only.

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black_Nightmare_:

[oh and as a note..line going be shared with the donated 56K connection at other times anyhow]

[02:02:11]

orkid:

ie, within about,... 30km radius i'd say, maybe 40

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black_Nightmare_:

heh just curious but what kind of heating you have and/or wish you would had liked?

[02:03:47]

orkid:

where are you at? direction of st-jovite?

[02:04:04]

orkid:

solar heating? :)

[02:04:09]

orkid:

ie, the beach :)

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black_Nightmare_:

heh for real or wish you could have had it?

[02:06:02]

black_Nightmare_:

orkid ?

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orkid:

?

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orkid:

we have forced air natural gas.

[02:06:20]

orkid:

i wish i live on the beach, if that's what oyu're asking

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black_Nightmare_:

oh now I see...heh

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm natural gas..

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orkid:

it's standard around here... why.

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orkid:

why do you ask?

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black_Nightmare_:

me think I'll have had like a mix of propane and daytime (aside to carrying over a bit of heat while it dwindle down at bedtime too) woodstove myself anyhow ^_^

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black_Nightmare_:

orkid the reason for that anyhow is because it just seem easy to build/move anyhow (even works in rvs naturally...just as long as you have the woodstove itself tied well)

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devsforev:

can somebody quickly tell me what I need to change in order to allow multiple front-ends on a network? Thanks :-D

[02:13:33]

lightning:

should be as simple as having another host entry for the mythv database user then running mythtv-setup locally on the machine i beleive

[02:14:01]

lightning:

as it is the host id that identifies each front end i *think*, i'm still new so i may be mistaken

[02:15:38]

orkid:

ok. so if i want to build a dedicated (small and quiet) machine for mythtv for a friend, are there any suggestions? it would be for mp3/avi(mpeg2)/nes emulation mostly

[02:15:39]

Anduin:

lightning: Most people get stuck at the DB access issue, after that there is no real trick, just running mythfrontend and setting it up.

[02:15:48]

orkid:

would a 1ghz embedded pc be enough?

[02:15:56]

orkid:

he already has a 100gb HD (esata or usb2)

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devsforev:

lightning: I already did: mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv";" and it still won't work... any thoughts?

[02:16:12]

orkid:

500gb

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black_Nightmare_:

orkid....hmm...just mp3/mpeg2 alone for multimedia?

[02:16:33]

orkid:

well, whatever else. but no tv tuners, dvb, etc.

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devsforev:

(there was supposed to be an open quote at the begining of "mysql> to show what I was quoting... opps)

[02:16:49]

orkid:

just stuff on the hd really. movies, picture, music, maybe streaming stuff from the net would be nice.

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black_Nightmare_:

orkid..hmm in that case..just about any current epia's would do just fine with that then ;)

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black_Nightmare_:

fanless600 even

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lightning:

devsforev: can you connect to the db from the remote machine?

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devsforev:

lightning: good question... i should probably try that

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orkid:

black_Nightmare_: is it difficult to incorporate an irc remote into it? are there any 'kits' or guides from people who've done it before?

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black_Nightmare_:

orkid...umm...

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black_Nightmare_:

the epia's have ir onboard :p

[02:19:40]

orkid:

really?

[02:19:40]

black_Nightmare_:

its just a matter of the same typical ir header adapter to get a working ir yourself

[02:19:48]

orkid:

have you done something like this before?

[02:20:09]

orkid:

bsaically i'm guessing this would be like an apple tv box (although i don't quite know what's in them, i'm guesing)

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black_Nightmare_:

my old board has ir header .. I still have to figure about getting the proper components to make the circuit for this yet

[02:20:22]

lightning:

i'm running a 2ghz box with front and backend

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lightning:

doing a recording right now on the tv while doing other work, cpu is ~50% used

[02:20:45]

lightning:

2gig ram

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orkid:

black_Nightmare_: are you using hte board? :)

[02:20:53]

lightning:

jfs filesystem

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lightning:

just to give you a reference point

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black_Nightmare_:

orkid...in testing so far yet yeah (I still have to find a permament agp card for it yet)

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orkid:

i'm considering something with everything onboard

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orkid:

lightning: is you cpu encoding too?

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orkid:

or just dumping the stuff ?

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lightning:

dumping, using a pvr 500 that does the mpeg2 on the card

[02:25:00]

lightning:

i'm going to add transcoding in a bit hence the 2ghz so i have the cpu for it without ever impacting playback or recording

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black_Nightmare_:

umm just who is THIS person? http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-video- . . . dIdZ31255607

[02:25:19]

black_Nightmare_:

thats a weird description almost all the way

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orkid:

this looks nice: http://cgi.ebay.com/VIA-EPIA-N10000E-Nano-ITX . . . cmdZViewItem

[02:25:49]

orkid:

and that's taking 50% cpu? wow!

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black_Nightmare_:

orkid..that ebay link...that doesn't seem bad but I don't have much comments with nano's

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black_Nightmare_:

(one footnote..only just two usb alone and I have no idea about ir on these compared to the standard epia's)

[02:27:01]

lightning:

part of that may be the kde environment (ksysguard is taking up some cpu)

[02:28:06]

lightning:

so if you managed to run mythtv just in a basic x-window, could be more beneficial (i havent tried it though)

[02:28:19]

lightning:

of course i'm talking on the same computer that is recording and playing

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black_Nightmare_:

hey....

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orkid:

by 'stadnard' you mean miniITX?

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black_Nightmare_:

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-comput . . . dIdZ31239637 thats rather cheap..hmmm.. *goes look up specs*

[02:29:06]

orkid:

or you're running kde too (yikes)

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black_Nightmare_:

orkid..yeah that ^_^ (just my habit of wording things)

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devsforev:

lightning: I am actually trying to get a mythfrontend working on max OS X. Can I have you advice here... I am looking at the wiki page http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_ . . . _information

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AriX_:

anyone know how well/not well firewire works with mythtv?

[02:30:06]

devsforev:

lightning: I downloaded and installed the frontend binary. Do I need to compile all the other stuff below it (minus the actual mythfrontend) or should I be okay with just that binary?

[02:30:21]

black_Nightmare_:

hmm anyone have any comment on specifically the pvr-350?

[02:30:26]

black_Nightmare_:

I think I like that card

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AriX_:

like, any specific problems anyone has had with firewire? does hd work fine?

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bsdfox:

black_Nightmare_: why?

[02:31:26]

bsdfox:

it's the worst supported hauppauge hw card

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orkid:

black_Nightmare_: any miniITX you know of that take DDR2 ? DDR is expensive now in comparison

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black_Nightmare_:

bsdfox..yeah? hmm meh

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bsdfox:

orkid: d201gly2

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black_Nightmare_:

bsdfox.. $70 was looking nice for a moment but go figure

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bsdfox:

black_Nightmare_: 250, 150, 500 are all much better

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** lightning looks **

[02:32:09]

bsdfox:

a 150 is cheaper than that brand new dude

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black_Nightmare_:

d201gly2? ughh I think these are crappy but meh :p

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black_Nightmare_:

they lack several things onboard and yet only give one SINGLE pci slot to make up

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bsdfox:

black_Nightmare_ also thinks the via boards are the shit

[02:32:33]

bsdfox:

and they're supAR CHEEP!!

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lightning:

150's are hard to find and are being replaced by a "better" card that isnt compat with linux at the moment

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black_Nightmare_:

where do I buy a d201gly2 with a 3-pci riser? :p

[02:32:50]

lightning:

although the box says 150

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lightning:

i like the 500. just a thought

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black_Nightmare_:

lightning...150 alak 1600 you mean? I think I saw one story

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orkid:

bsdfox: ?

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orkid:

bsdfox: oh, that's a model?

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lightning:

devsforev: nothing should have to be compiled. just need the frontend binary, should be able to run the frontend, or possibly mythtv-setup on the remote computer, assuming you can connect with mysql remotely

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bsdfox:

orkid: yes, $68 shipped @ buy.com

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lightning:

black_Nightmare_: confirmed it at my local circuit city and multiple sites online

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bsdfox:

dominates every via solution performance wise and cost wise

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black_Nightmare_:

I'll rather buy an epia in heartbeat if I needed a new system in small size ... maybe when I one day finally decide that my old microatx needs to be retired due to its limitations on upgradeability anymore

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lightning:

the card it is swapped with is not compat with linux at the moment (no driver)

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black_Nightmare_:

to our own ;)

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orkid:

so .. epia is not via?

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orkid:

different cpu?

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black_Nightmare_:

umm...

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lightning:

think it was orkid wanting me to look at the page? still looking, trying to multitask :)

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black_Nightmare_:

via is the one making epia's :p

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orkid:

umm. so why did you say you don't like via?

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** orkid is slightly confused **

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black_Nightmare_:

just like geforce is made by nvidia..well you get the idea

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lightning:

or whoever wanted me to look at the page. i'm confused now. maybe macosx does need a compile. but if it does, only the frontend should be required

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black_Nightmare_:

orkid...nope the d201gly2 is *not* via :p

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black_Nightmare_:

look again heh

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black_Nightmare_:

you're confusing two different itx boards

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orkid:

"Soldered down Intel® Celeron® processor 220 with a 533 MHz system bus" is 533 enough for mythtv?

[02:37:03]

orkid:

ok, i guess you were talking about something else.

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orkid:

i see it's a celeron.

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bsdfox:

it's a 1.2ghz core solo

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bsdfox:

it's a fast processor

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black_Nightmare_:

if there's one thing...the switchable spdif/tv-out single rca port is kinda nice thought

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bsdfox:

you can probably decode 720p on it

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black_Nightmare_:

one less clustering port on rear

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orkid:

oh wait. BUS sigh. i can't read

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orkid:

atm

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orkid:

no IR though?

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bsdfox:

it has usb, and I think serial

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bsdfox:

why would you expect it to have IR out the box

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orkid:

how can you add it on afterwards?

[02:40:03]

bsdfox:

it's a $70 cpu/mobo

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black_Nightmare_:

bsdfox...onboard ir is a lot cheaper and easlier btw

[02:40:33]

black_Nightmare_:

its only like what three lousy components (that any good electronic stores would have) to make your own ir cable off these onboard ir headers

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bsdfox:

hardware noobs :P

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orkid:

the price being so low is nice, but it's not really the deciding factor atm. i might consider that board, but perhaps there is something else out there that takes ddr2, and it decently fast, and has an ir header (for a remote).

[02:40:52]

black_Nightmare_:

probably only $2-$6

[02:41:09]

orkid:

perhaps i should ditch the remote idea and just use a wireless keyboard/mouse combo. or keyboard+trackball on it

[02:41:20]

bsdfox:

orkid: afaik that's the only ddr2 miniitx form factor board

[02:41:51]

bsdfox:

black_Nightmare_: yeah about $2

[02:42:03]

black_Nightmare_:

orkid...I checked and there's ddr2 but a bit expensive model range tho

[02:42:15]

orkid:

it seem like ddr is not worth it, since it's so much more expensive now than ddr2.

[02:42:27]

orkid:

black_Nightmare_: where are you looking?

[02:42:31]

black_Nightmare_:

oh wait...

[02:42:40]

black_Nightmare_:

nope..there's some models thats inexpensive but still has ddr2

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bsdfox:

orkid: IR shouldn't even be an issue

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orkid:

bsdfox: on the 201GLY2, can you do IR somehow? maybe through the serial port?

[02:42:56]

orkid:

bsdfox: oh. why not?

[02:43:10]

bsdfox:

orkid: of course

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black_Nightmare_:

start with the LN10000EG as example .. eight usb total and still the same typical-for-epias ir onboard

[02:43:14]

bsdfox:

it's very easy

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orkid:

how do you people control your media centres?

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black_Nightmare_:

it'll handle smart 5.1 too

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bsdfox:

black_Nightmare_: I found a place that I could get 50 tsop1738 receivers for $1.25/ea

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black_Nightmare_:

heh hmm.. two ide and two sata..could add lot of storage

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bsdfox:

orkid: I built my own IR receiver for about $5

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black_Nightmare_:

bsdfox....nice

[02:44:04]

orkid:

black_Nightmare_: many USBs isn't really an issue. i just want a standalone computer that'll connect to the network, and has a big HD, video+audio out, and a way to control it 'neatly' (like wireless keys/mouse , ir)

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bsdfox:

buying parts from radio shack

[02:44:14]

bsdfox:

I could build them for $2 in bulk

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orkid:

bsdfox: ok, that's not a problem, i thought theremight be something more involved in it (like a chipset).

[02:44:33]

bsdfox:

nope

[02:44:38]

orkid:

so you use an IR remote to control your system?

[02:45:02]

mzb_d800:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=83

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black_Nightmare_:

orkid...heh well yeah I just don't know about having 'only' two usb ports when typical people would probably want usb keyboard, usb mouse, usb printer, and maybe even a usb camera at once .. not fitting if you have to add external hub just for simple devices

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black_Nightmare_:

to our own anyhow ;)

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bsdfox:

orkid: yes

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orkid:

my friend already has enough computers at home for printing/etc. this would be a media-only-box. it would only connect to the projector, and an audio system. and an input system (like a game controller or two, and keys/mouse). plus usb hubs are cheap.

[02:46:43]

orkid:

and he has a few lieing around.

[02:47:34]

orkid:

lying

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black_Nightmare_:

well the LN10000EG is $137 from one stocked source to start with..maybe a bit cheaper or not somewhere else I dunno ;) .. and when you're done with the media task for it it probably could easily be reused into a basic home system or something (now you see why I don't like these limited-i/o boards because when you're done with them who would really want to buy them used?)

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black_Nightmare_:

again to our own thought ^-^

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orkid:

black_Nightmare_: do you not like the d201gly2 ?

[02:48:21]

mzb_d800:

I have two receivers on my loungetv ... one is the serial IR above ^^, the other is in the USB tuner (different rooms)

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orkid:

usb tuner?

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black_Nightmare_:

I see weird skt478 boards for sale for only a few bucks from time to time and one time there was one with only ps2/usb/parallel/nic and no expansion slot at all like who wants it for more than just scrap metal

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orkid:

what do you mean by 'differnet rooms' ?

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black_Nightmare_:

orkid..in its current hardware incernation (spelling?) the simple flat answer is no :p

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orkid:

incarnation?

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orkid:

why not?

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bsdfox:

orkid: I, and many people at silentpcreview.com are big fans of the board

[02:50:20]

orkid:

i odn't like cables/etc around everywhere. the best would be a box, with the following connectors:

[02:50:23]

orkid:

power in

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orkid:

tv-out (svideo i guess, or vga)

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orkid:

ir in

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orkid:

one usb (i can hookup a hub if/when i need keys/mouse/etc)

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bsdfox:

orkid: the d201gly2t has svideo out

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black_Nightmare_:

1. tvout 2. firewire 3. ir 4. more usb 5. get rid of SiS maybe? 6. what is 'ADI' at all? how about realtek or even better yamaha?

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black_Nightmare_:

and the fact that there's only one single pci slot so if you try add fw there you can't even add a tv tuner pci at all

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bsdfox:

it's very cheap for what it is

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black_Nightmare_:

but very lacking of feature in comparasion when you add up parts&price

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orkid:

hwhat's the one you were suggesting black_Nightmare_ ?

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black_Nightmare_:

me? oh I thought that the LN10000EG seem like one suggestion (especially re ddr2 ram too)

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black_Nightmare_:

thats what I was saying before

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black_Nightmare_:

just add a tv tuner pci card and your own ir cable (to the onboard header that is) then its probably all completed to go

[02:55:08]

black_Nightmare_:

oh wait..

[02:55:16]

black_Nightmare_:

sorry you mentioned no tv..nevermind that part :p

[02:56:14]

black_Nightmare_:

well you always could leave pci slot empty anyway

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black_Nightmare_:

or who knows

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orkid:

you think it can do 720p?

[02:57:05]

orkid:

or 1080p even?

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bsdfox:

orkid: if it's a via like I"m guessing, no chance

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bsdfox:

the d201gly2 definitely can though

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orkid:

why is that? via crappy?

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orkid:

i mean. what do you really need to decode a 1080p ?

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bsdfox:

via is slow

[02:58:50]

bsdfox:

1080p is very hard to decode

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bsdfox:

~2.5ghz core duo is able to do it

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orkid:

so the d102gly2 wont you think?

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black_Nightmare_:

720p could be handled if its SD without much problem

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orkid:

sd?

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kdubya:

720p could be handled if its SD?

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mzb:

orkid: my loungetv (mythbox) is mounted under the floor. The serial IR is in the lounge, whereas the tuner is underneath (in the garage)

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kdubya:

in what language does that make sense

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bsdfox:

orkid: nothing miniitx is gonna handle full 1080p h264

[03:00:13]

bsdfox:

kdubya: black_Nightmare just says stuff

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black_Nightmare_:

but 1080p always fails without any pci card assistance yet

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bsdfox:

and he's a via fanatic

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mzb:

up until yesterday I've been using cloned output to the PAL TV in the lounge, and a 20" monitor in the garage

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kdubya:

oh

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black_Nightmare_:

bsdfox...not really

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bsdfox:

no via cpu can handle 720p even :P

[03:00:57]

black_Nightmare_:

if it was actually microatx I rather like to suggest nvidia chipsets as well ;)

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orkid:

well. to get 1080p i'd need a tuner in the first place anyway.

[03:01:11]

black_Nightmare_:

bsdfox..umm..excuse me but several of them could

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mzb:

orkid: my usb tuner = dvb-t USB2 kworld

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bsdfox:

k

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kdubya:

you cant get 1080p with a tuner

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kdubya:

no one broadcasts in 1080p

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orkid:

?

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orkid:

oh. and no one will you think either?

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kdubya:

no time soon

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orkid:

so it's for hddvd bluray only?

[03:02:18]

kdubya:

yes

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orkid:

or dvbs2 you think?

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kdubya:

i dont even know what that is

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orkid:

dvb-s2

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orkid:

it's like dvb-s (digital video broadcast, satellite), but the second 'version' of it.

[03:04:45]

kdubya:

yeah

[03:04:52]

kdubya:

does anyone use it yet?

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orkid:

some channels already are broadcast in -s2 but very few.

[03:04:57]

kdubya:

in what country?

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black_Nightmare_:

well I'm going to bed soon so bye now

[03:05:11]

orkid:

bbci think (in eu) has an -s2 broadcast

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orkid:

bye

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orkid:

UK

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kdubya:

i see

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orkid:

anyone know of miniITX cases?

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bsdfox:

minibox.com has some

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kdubya:

mini-box.com

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orkid:

tx

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kdubya:

them are some ugly boxes

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orkid:

no offence, but yeah. i just alt-tabbed from their site, and those boxes are ugly

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bsdfox:

haha yep

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bsdfox:

microatx is a much bigger market, cause only via sold miniitx form factor until recently and vias suck

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jams:

yes they do

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orkid:

bsdfox: http://www.mini-box.com/Jetway-Hybrid-J7F2WE1G

[03:15:36]

orkid:

so uATX is smaller than mini?

[03:15:41]

orkid:

and then nano is even smaller?

[03:16:05]

orkid:

or even http://www.mini-box.com/Jetway-Hybrid-J7F2WE2 . . . ;category=99

[03:16:14]

bsdfox:

that black_nightmare guy has a hardon for via stuff for some reason, but just google around, you'll see the d201gly2 is a much better board

[03:16:36]

bsdfox:

orkid: those use via processors, and jetway mobos sell on newegg for $20 for a reason

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jams:

orkid- mircoatx is bigger then mini-itx

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bsdfox:

a 1,5ghz via (fastest) c7 is still a shitty cpu

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kdubya:

i think micro atx is small enough for something that doesnt have to be portable

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bsdfox:

around 1/4th the number crunching power of that celeron I showed you

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orkid:

http://www.mini-box.com/Jetway-Hybrid-J7F2WE2 . . . ;category=99

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orkid:

bsdfox: the one above is a C7 2GHz

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kdubya:

that crap is so expensive

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kdubya:

you can get the low power amd dual cores with a mobo for like $60

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orkid:

i haven't looked at amd yet

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jams:

bsdfox- did you ever pick up that intel board

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bsdfox:

I got an E2140 w/ mobo for $80

[03:20:06]

bsdfox:

microatx

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bsdfox:

jams: no I don't have one yet

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kdubya:

orkid, you dont live in the US i assume?

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bsdfox:

I'll probably pick one up after christmas

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jams:

the local store has the one with the fan

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jams:

really thinking about getting one

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orkid:

kdubya: no, canada

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orkid:

jams: which 'one with the fan'

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jams:

intel d201gly

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bsdfox:

jams: I've heard the gly2 is quite a bit better

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bsdfox:

plus no noisy 40mm fan :)

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jams:

yeah..that fan is a big reason i have not purchased it yet

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bsdfox:

they underclocked the cpu to 1.2ghz for some reason

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bsdfox:

the gly2 works w/ 2gb ram modules too

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bsdfox:

although it says it doesn't :P

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bsdfox:

orkid: silentpcreview.com is a good site to read about systems like these

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orkid:

alright, tx

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jams:

problem with these itx boards is all the cases are built for slim-line dvd drives

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orkid:

bsdfox: looks like a great site!

[03:25:33]

jams:

if it does take a full size drive, the size of the case is much larger then needed and ends up being microatx sized.

[03:25:56]

orkid:

than.

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orkid:

the d201gly2 only has 2-channel audio. that sucks for home-theatre use.

[03:31:08]

orkid:

it's very good for a normal computer.

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kdubya:

wouldnt you normally just pass through to a reciever in a home theater

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bsdfox:

it's designed for emerging markets (africa, asia) which is why it's so cheap

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orkid:

kdubya: pass-through? there is only support for two channels, you can't pass anything through. you need to get it out of the board somehow, usually through an audio chip (this one only does 2chan it seems)

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kdubya:

if there is a digital or optical out

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kdubya:

i thought the audio processing would be done by your reciever

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orkid:

look at teh feature comparison b/w the 201 and others, i like the albatron.

[03:35:49]

kdubya:

i could be wrong, it was a question

[03:35:50]

orkid:

but it's way pricier obviously.

[03:35:59]

orkid:

kdubya: there is none, that's the point.

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kdubya:

ah

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orkid:

the digital out .. i think it goes through the sound card (chip in this case) too.

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kdubya:

then why is it called 'pass through'?

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orkid:

b/c it doesn't go to analog.

[03:41:09]

orkid:

it just passes through the chip, and out the digital.

[03:41:46]

orkid:

but i've never used a digital out, so don't quote me on it.

[03:41:52]

orkid:

my receiver has 6chan analog in.

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orkid:

wow, even an h264 1920x1080 with stereo aac is 'only' 8.38mbits/sec. easily doable over a 100mb ethernet link

[03:55:40]

orkid:

amazing.

[03:55:49]

** orkid is going to need a better monitor soon **

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kdubya:

get you a nice big plasma

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iamlindoro:

that 1080p file is on the *extreme* low end of 1080p bitrate

[03:56:44]

BULLE:

orkid: thats a pretty darn low bitrate

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kdubya:

orkid, that bitrate sucks

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iamlindoro:

HD-DVD and Blu-ray before any sort of transcoding ar between 20–35 Mbit

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BULLE:

orkid: i think the blueray specs say up to 40mbit is what you have to support

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kdubya:

orkid, blu ray is at least 20 mbit

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rushfan_:

Why do all the tv tuner cards use mpeg2 if the compression is so poor?

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kdubya:

ok ill stop

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BULLE:

still, with decent ethernet hardware, and a bit of fs prebuffering, even 40mbit shouldnt be hard to manage, if you dont do anything else on the net

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kdubya:

because mpeg 2 is easy

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iamlindoro:

and because Mpeg-4 is new

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iamlindoro:

ish

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BULLE:

rushfan_: because its not that computationaly intensive, and becuase its whats used on dvd discs, and while its not that great in terms of compression, its not THAT poor either

[03:58:16]

iamlindoro:

in the grand scheme of things, anyway

[03:58:28]

rushfan_:

oh

[03:58:48]

rushfan_:

Like x264 would be great but I guess that would be a bit intense to encode to on the fly

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BULLE:

and even your blueray discs sometimes use mpeg2 on them

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iamlindoro:

Would be easy with dedicated hardware... Not that big a deal. It's just very new and requires real effort to play back

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iamlindoro:

Bulle: yeah... with no signs of stopping either :) I just gt the brand new, week old Star Trek season 1 HD-DVDs... sure enough, Mpeg-2.

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kdubya:

how do those look?

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BULLE:

iamlindoro: im all for it, mpeg2 with high enough bitrate is just as good as any other codec with higher compression

[04:00:27]

iamlindoro:

Very very good

[04:00:36]

BULLE:

kdubya: just as good as any other hd disc basicly

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kdubya:

you using a standalone player or you run hd dvds through your hptc?

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iamlindoro:

kdubya, I rip them on a Windows PC and transfer them to my Myth box

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kdubya:

ah

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BULLE:

i mean, roughly speaking, less compression equals better picturequality, in an ideal situation, you dont use any compression at all ( but then the needed storage and bandwith gets insane )

[04:02:13]

orkid:

hm. isn't plasma still 'bad'? (ie. wont last longer than 5–10 years) ?

[04:02:15]

BULLE:

its so annoying that the movies i want, are only available in hd-dvd and not blueray, makes me want to scream

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iamlindoro:

The ST HD-DVDs really shine in audio, though... all uncompressed lossless audio tracks

[04:02:21]

kdubya:

plasma is awesome

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BULLE:

orkid: totaly depends on how much you watch doesnt it ?

[04:02:30]

orkid:

our trinitron 21" is still running strong, after... at least 10 years.

[04:02:42]

orkid:

and lots of watching (on the sony we have)

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kdubya:

anyone that looks at a good plasma next to a good lcd is crazy not to pick the plasma

[04:02:44]

BULLE:

orkid: basicly it uses phosphor just like your crt tv, so todays plasmas have equal lifetime as your old crts, atleast

[04:03:01]

orkid:

by lots i mean. .. well, about 5–6hours a day. maybe 7–8

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mchou:

damn, that's lots of TV

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orkid:

hmm, i see. i remember when plasma first came out there were rumours that it won't last long.

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kdubya:

my mom has had a plasma since 2001 that still looks fine

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kdubya:

and they just leave it on all day

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orkid:

what is better for colour/contrast/brightness?

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BULLE:

orkid: sure, but the same was true for lcd screens

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kdubya:

plasma is better for everything other than bright room viewing

[04:03:52]

BULLE:

orkid: its not that simple

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kdubya:

its as simple as what i said though

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BULLE:

orkid: roughly speaking, lcd screens gives you a way brighter screen, they give you good color reproduction, and pretty average to bad contrast

[04:04:46]

BULLE:

orkid: the plasma, gives you a pretty low brightness, very good color reproduction and very good contrast

[04:04:54]

BULLE:

orkid: so imho, it realy depends on what you want to use your tv for

[04:05:14]

kdubya:

lcd if you have a thousand windows and no blinds

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BULLE:

orkid: sitting in a dark or dimly lit room, watching movies or other dark stuff, the plasma is the only sane way to go, an lcd will look washed out

[04:05:35]

BULLE:

orkid: for wathing say sports, "normal tv" in half lit to lit rooms, and during day, a lcd is the way to go

[04:05:57]

kdubya:

sports on lcd – motion blur

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BULLE:

kdubya: nah, not on new good quality ones, like the better from sony or philips or sharp, they do fine, even with hd sports

[04:06:32]

kdubya:

heh

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BULLE:

most blur actualy comes from the processing of the picture, not from the technology

[04:06:50]

kdubya:

then why is it so much worse on LCDs?

[04:06:52]

BULLE:

you can get very blurry cheap plasmas to, if you want

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orkid:

how about those projection lcd? DLP i think?

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BULLE:

kdubya: dunno about your market, here lcd is ruling the lowend market there are no lowend plasmas around

[04:07:21]

orkid:

newer LCD displays (in computers at least) have fast response times.

[04:07:25]

kdubya:

lcd is ruling everywhere

[04:07:28]

kdubya:

and i have no idea why

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BULLE:

kdubya: cost mainly

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orkid:

what about 1080p projectors? for low-lit conditions.

[04:07:46]

BULLE:

orkid: any projector require you to have a very dark room

[04:07:50]

kdubya:

LCD only gets cheaper at 1080p

[04:07:56]

orkid:

basement with small windows :)

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kdubya:

720p is way cheaper with plasma

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BULLE:

kdubya: not here

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iamlindoro:

orkid, I have a gorgeous 1080p projector. Amazing for hi-def stuff

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orkid:

where are you kdubya ? USA?

[04:08:13]

kdubya:

BULLE, where?

[04:08:13]

BULLE:

kdubya: as in northern europe

[04:08:16]

kdubya:

texas

[04:08:17]

kdubya:

oh

[04:08:21]

kdubya:

dude

[04:08:23]

kdubya:

done you sleep

[04:08:25]

kdubya:

dont*

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BULLE:

no !

[04:08:32]

iamlindoro:

1080p @ 106 inches = nice :)

[04:08:34]

BULLE:

well, i did, earlier today

[04:08:39]

orkid:

iamlindoro: which one? how much did you pay?

[04:08:45]

kdubya:

haha

[04:08:48]

iamlindoro:

Mitsu HC 5000 BK

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BULLE:

orkid: 1080p projectors are still pretty darn expensive

[04:08:59]

iamlindoro:

Imported from Japan, I paid about $2600

[04:09:01]

kdubya:

yeah, go for the 103 inch plasma

[04:09:10]

kdubya:

like 150k

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BULLE:

iamlindoro: 1080p dlp projector ?

[04:09:17]

orkid:

my friend got a really cheap off-lease dell that does 1024x768.

[04:09:20]

mchou:

much more expensive now with weak US$

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iamlindoro:

BULLE, It's 1080p LCD

[04:09:28]

iamlindoro:

proj

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BULLE:

iamlindoro: oh, lcd

[04:09:46]

orkid:

he got it for around $500 !

[04:09:48]

iamlindoro:

yep. It's gorgeous, very highly rated

[04:09:59]

orkid:

mchou: i'm in canada :)

[04:10:19]

orkid:

sony came out with some projectors, or at least one super crazy one recently for 15000$

[04:10:23]

orkid:

insane

[04:10:34]

orkid:

i'm scareda bout projectors, and having to change bulbs.

[04:10:37]

mchou:

orkid: heh, even CDN$ worth more than US$ now

[04:10:41]

orkid:

at 5hours a day. that's a lot

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BULLE:

iamlindoro: yeah, its among the cheapest 1080p projectors i can get here

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orkid:

mchou: it's back to being close to equal)

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kdubya:

heh

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BULLE:

iamlindoro: rough price is what you paid, if translated to swedish pricelevels etc

[04:11:01]

kdubya:

a projector for 5 hours a day

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iamlindoro:

It's no big deal. Even at my fairly high use, I've still gone about 8 months since I got it and I'm only 2/3rds the way through the first bulb

[04:11:13]

orkid:

no. i asked about DLP TV.

[04:11:28]

orkid:

i think that's what they're called right? lcd projection TVs

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BULLE:

orkid: thats just a dlp projector, and a screen

[04:11:38]

BULLE:

orkid: hammered togheter in a plastic case

[04:11:42]

orkid:

iamlindoro: how much are bulbs?

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kdubya:

lcd projection and dlp are not the same

[04:11:46]

iamlindoro:

DLP != LCD Proj

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BULLE:

orkid: still uses a bulb

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mchou:

orkid: you have costco up in canada?

[04:11:51]

orkid:

BULLE: yeah.

[04:11:53]

iamlindoro:

orkid, $250 or so

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orkid:

how are they compared to lcd tv, plasma, projectors ?

[04:12:20]

kdubya:

cheap

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mchou:

orkid: cause you're gonna need a good warranty :)

[04:12:34]

orkid:

sucks having to buy things at $250 for your tv :P i'd like a tv i can just plop down, and not touch again.

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BULLE:

orkid: i wouldnt buy a reare projection tv today, better get a lcd/plasma

[04:12:50]

orkid:

not in price, but in quality.

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, but I'll put down $250 once a year to have 106"

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kdubya:

the picture is not a good with RP

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BULLE:

iamlindoro: indeed

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BULLE:

RP isnt realy sold here anymore, its phased out technology here

[04:14:01]

orkid:

iamlindoro: i don't think i will/would

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iamlindoro:

Also helps to make your place the place to be when a big game comes on... so if you want to be the designated theater, it's good... if you want people to leave you alone... not so much :)

[04:14:10]

iamlindoro:

orkid, to each his own

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orkid:

BULLE: you're in northern europe you said?

[04:14:16]

BULLE:

orkid: yes

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orkid:

iamlindoro: definitely.

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BULLE:

i would realy say buy a smaller 37" or 40" cheap lcd, and a decent projector, instead of one expensive plasma, but thats just my opinion

[04:15:12]

BULLE:

lcd tv for daily casual watching, and projector for movies, big things

[04:15:15]

iamlindoro:

Was also fun to fire Steam up in WINE and play Half-Life 2 at that size, in the dark... freaked me out!

[04:15:25]

orkid:

iamlindoro: how many hours can you do on a bulb for your projector?

[04:15:34]

iamlindoro:

3000 is a rought guide

[04:15:36]

iamlindoro:

er rough

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orkid:

i really like colour and contrast.

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kdubya:

do them bulbs just burn out or do they dim?

[04:16:03]

BULLE:

kdubya: dim

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iamlindoro:

yeah, as bulle says

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BULLE:

kdubya: or in extreme cases, explode actualy

[04:16:15]

iamlindoro:

it's non-linear, however

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orkid:

that's what makes a picture great. TVs right not are terrible at the contrast range they provide , in relation to the real world.

[04:16:25]

kdubya:

i remember them exploading in old CRT RP

[04:16:34]

BULLE:

kdubya: but that realy means you have to run them for a LONG time over their recommended life, but it can happen, if you are plain stupid

[04:16:39]

iamlindoro:

there is a fair dropoff in the first 1000 hours or so, then it slows dramatically

[04:17:11]

iamlindoro:

The nice part about mine is that the bulb is a whole removable module, specifically so if it explodes it doesn't contaminate the projector itself

[04:17:14]

orkid:

so you're saying it dims fast, then slow?

[04:17:16]

iamlindoro:

It's sort of like a cartridge

[04:17:50]

iamlindoro:

orkid, basically... you'd be hard pressed to notice, though... You really don't lose that much light in the recommended lifetime

[04:18:18]

iamlindoro:

I imagine if you ran it for a long time beyond that you might, though

[04:18:25]

BULLE:

your crt tv also dims

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BULLE:

so does your plasma

[04:18:29]

BULLE:

and lcd

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BULLE:

just not as fast

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BULLE:

and on those, you cant realy change the "bulb"

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iamlindoro:

Fundamentally speaking, each TV type has its advantages, and it detractors and proponents tend to be split along the lines of who owns what :)

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kdubya:

and i WILL defend my purchase to the death

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orkid:

our trinitron looks decent still. hmm. maybe it's b/c i just can't tell and we've had it for so long.

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orkid:

kdubya: what purchase

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kdubya:

i have a plasma

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kdubya:

i was just pointing out how defensive people get about what they own, agreeing with iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

But no matter what you buy... there still ain't shit on :)

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

i got a blu ray rip on my HD split up between several .ts files, and no where near enough space to cat them together

[04:26:55]

iamlindoro:

*especially* with the Efiin' writer's strike... This year's "24" should pretty much be called... "12"

[04:27:26]

kdubya:

im just worried there will be no battlestar

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iamlindoro:

kdubya, hmm, what's the movie? HD-DVD rips generally tend to be two .EVO files, but I think I've only seen one Blu-ray disc where the feature itself was more than one

[04:28:14]

kdubya:

fifth element

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iamlindoro:

not that it doesn't happen, of course, just curious about what it was

[04:28:44]

kdubya:

looks awesome but i have to restart mplayer every 15 minutes

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kdubya:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Hrm, they must have structured it differently for the second realease... mine was one file... but it was before they went back and fixed the picture quality

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kdubya:

yeah

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kdubya:

was it bad in that one?

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kdubya:

this is the re encode

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iamlindoro:

Honestly, not really as bad as people made it out to be

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iamlindoro:

Looked fine to me...someday I'll bother contacting sony for my replacement disc but I'm lazy

[04:30:07]

iamlindoro:

kdubya, I guess you could write yourself up a playlist and just point mplayer at that file

[04:30:15]

kdubya:

yeah

[04:30:27]

iamlindoro:

or cp all the files somewhere with enough disc space for a bit

[04:30:45]

kdubya:

i will probably have to pipe the output of cat to another computer and then copy it back

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orkid:

kdubya: vlc

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orkid:

hmmm. what is DLP projection? laser?

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kdubya:

are you asking if DLP is laser?

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kdubya:

its not

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iamlindoro:

DLP is DLP

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kdubya:

laser TV is a flat panel tech that it supposed to come out one day

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iamlindoro:

it's own specific type of chip

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iamlindoro:

there's probably a fairly decent wikipedia article about it

[04:35:28]

kdubya:

'its the mirrors'

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kdubya:

god those have to be the worst TV commercials

[04:35:48]

kdubya:

commercials for TVs, not commercials on TV

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iamlindoro:

Saw a proof of concept demo of laser front projection the other day... it's absolutely unreal, but I just wonder when we'll see it in the real world, and at what price

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kdubya:

according to wikipedia they have already started using them in china

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kdubya:

actually it is future tense late 2007 so maybe it just hasnt been updated

[04:37:47]

iamlindoro:

Well, to be more specific, *my* real world :)

[04:37:51]

iamlindoro:

where *I* can get one, heh

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kdubya:

heh

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orkid:

what is DLP projection (non-tv)

[04:39:22]

kdubya:

DLP is just the name of the technology

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iamlindoro:

orkid, it's just like LCD or CRT projection, just using a DLP chip

[04:39:39]

orkid:

what is that technology . what does dlp stand for

[04:39:45]

iamlindoro:

orkid, wikipedia

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kdubya:

digital light projection

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orkid:

ooh. a chip.

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orkid:

like an inverse ccd :)

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orkid:

why are they still sitcking paralle ports on things! come on ! i would more like a 9pin serial than a parallel!

[04:43:20]

kdubya:

you mean you dont have a printer that uses a parallel port?

[04:44:03]

orkid:

no printer that uses parallel that doesn't use usb.

[04:44:12]

kdubya:

heh

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orkid:

printers are such a ripoff anyway. nowadays they come with half filled cartridges and such.

[04:44:45]

tank-man:

cause those are starter cargterigdes

[04:44:47]

orkid:

i only use a b/w laser which i toner fill myself (usb), and a photo printer sometimes (usb also).

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iamlindoro:

Can't say it's too harmful to *have* it there, though... heck, they can put the ol' BeBox Geekport on there if they won't so long as it's the same price

[04:45:19]

orkid:

'starter'. lmao. they'll soon start selling printers w/o cartridges, saying that they leave the cartridge 'choice' up to the consumer, ie. photo cartridges, budget, etc.

[04:45:20]

iamlindoro:

er they want

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orkid:

it is harmful. it's taking up space that other ports can use (like hdmi).

[04:45:57]

orkid:

i'm talking in reference to an article on silentpcreview.com about the asus uATX

[04:46:00]

orkid:

mobo

[04:46:06]

orkid:

or rather, 'an' ASUS uATX motor

[04:46:08]

orkid:

MOBO

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iamlindoro:

I doubt it's a choice between one and the next

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orkid:

man it's late.

[04:46:22]

iamlindoro:

like, "Hey, should we put a parallel port on, or an HDMI port?"

[04:46:33]

orkid:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article778-page1.html

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iamlindoro:

It'd not like they had to drop that HDMI port because they needed to put the parallel port in

[04:46:54]

orkid:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article778-page4.html

[04:47:17]

orkid:

hdmi requires use of pciex16

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orkid:

slot

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iamlindoro:

So? Again, it's not like they put that parallel port on at the expense of HDMI

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orkid:

who knows. it seems like these reviewers think so.

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kdubya:

yeah i just read that

[04:49:41]

kdubya:

thats bs

[04:50:01]

kdubya:

it was probably just cheaper to do that

[04:50:07]

kdubya:

it has nothing to do with there not being room

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orkid:

how do you know

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kdubya:

actually i bet they wanted to fit a standard layout

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kdubya:

for the ports

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kdubya:

because i can see, there is plenty of room

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orkid:

on the right side . this has to conform to a standard, btw.

[04:51:28]

orkid:

the right side is for expansion slots

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kdubya:

its not nvidia anyway

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kdubya:

so its useless

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Tanthrix:

Amen.

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orkid:

lmao

[04:52:38]

orkid:

you guys must be nuts

[04:52:47]

orkid:

livin in the past

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iamlindoro:

orkid: you must never have used ATI for anything decent in linux

[04:53:15]

iamlindoro:

living in Windows...

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Tanthrix:

orkid: Hrm? Nivdia driver support in linux is unparalleled by any other manufacture. And the closest runner up is intel, not ATI.

[04:54:20]

Tanthrix:

orkid: But even so, I prefer nvidia in windows as well. The catalyst drivers for ATI's recent cards is rubbish. One of the most sluggish, backwards UI's ever concieved of.

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Tanthrix:

Bleh. I may need to get a DVR cable box just to be able to get s-video output. I was just about to setup my cheapie digital tuner box with my new ir reciever / blaster when I realized it only does RCA/coax.

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kdubya:

why exactly is svideo better than coax?

[04:57:30]

** orkid is an nvidia user also, however ati has recently made steps towards opening up their specs to driver writers. **

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iamlindoro:

cleaner picture

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kdubya:

i never understood that

[04:57:40]

kdubya:

it comes into your house over the freaking coax

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orkid:

more wires, more 'separation' of the signal.

[04:57:49]

kdubya:

how is it better to switch to a different type of transmition

[04:58:00]

Tanthrix:

kdubya: Digitally, though. If it were analog, then s-video might not be any better.

[04:58:06]

kdubya:

ok

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kdubya:

thought so

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iamlindoro:

orkid: when those drivers run as well as nvidia's, we'll talk, but ATI's alleged opening of standards has not borne fruit and as such... is useless

[04:58:20]

orkid:

not yet.

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Tanthrix:

Not ever, more likely.

[04:58:46]

iamlindoro:

So explain again how we're living in the past?

[04:58:48]

Tanthrix:

I will be very surprised if anyone can come up with something as good as nvidia's drivers, and its wonderful nvidia-settings tools

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kdubya:

im sure the amd drivers will get better

[04:59:03]

** Tanthrix brandishes his nvidia tattoo on his arm **

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kdubya:

the would regaurdless of them releasing the specs

[04:59:13]

kdubya:

i dont see why they would get WORSE

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xris:

Tanthrix: hopefully the new open source documentation for ATI will make the ATI driver catch up to nvidia.. and if it does, it'll blow past it because it'll be an open source driver

[04:59:50]

Tanthrix:

I don't know – I have been continually amazed and impressed by the nvidia drivers which seem to support almost every little thing you could want out of your card. Not the usual linux experience, for sure.

[04:59:53]

xris:

but it'll be awhile before that happens.

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Tanthrix:

xris: Would be nice. For now though, I won't hold my breath ;)

[05:00:09]

iamlindoro:

lord knows I'd love driver support for the x.264 decoding

[05:00:23]

xris:

Tanthrix: yeah, but there's a nasty bug in the current driver for some versions of X.... Xv stops working randomly and just displays pretty colors instead... takes a reboot to fix it

[05:00:49]

kdubya:

man that bug is gay

[05:01:00]

Tanthrix:

xris: Really? Sucky. I don't recall which version I'm using..something a bit behind. I only try and upgrade though when I have a reason to.

[05:01:09]

kdubya:

Tanthrix, yeah its common

[05:01:25]

kdubya:

i stopped using xv and use gl

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kdubya:

until they fix it

[05:01:36]

kdubya:

because im too lazy to downgrade

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xris:

kdubya: how do you switch to GL?

[05:04:37]

kdubya:

in the playback settings

[05:04:47]

kdubya:

switch from xv-blit to opengl

[05:05:04]

kdubya:

you need to have a decent video card

[05:05:11]

kdubya:

and you may get some tearing

[05:05:39]

kdubya:

only on svn

[05:05:43]

Tanthrix:

kdubya: Shouldn't with vsync turned on.

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kdubya:

its only like a month old

[05:05:59]

kdubya:

true, shouldnt, but my TV disagrees

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IndRomChar:

having a problem with my HD playback (720p on a Toshiba LCD). Plays great in xine, but isn't smooth when playing back in mythfrontend it isn't "smooth". Not choppy..just not smooth. Maybe more like jittery.

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IndRomChar:

GeForce 6200 (XvMC enabled). Any ideas?

[05:27:31]

xris:

kdubya: my mythbox and my desktop are both running 6800 cards.. and my mythbox is a q6600 proc (wouldn't work in my server). should be fine

[05:27:52]

xris:

granted, I think my mythbox doesn't actually see the error, just my workstation

[05:28:33]

kdubya:

both my desktop and my htpc show the lovely pink and green

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IndRomChar:

yeah, it handles it fine in xine or mplayer. For some reason mythfrontend just isn't looking right

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bsdfox_:

kdubya: revert to older drivers

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bsdfox_:

it's an nvidia bug

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kdubya:

yeah i know bsdfox

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tank-man:

i get the pink/green screen too. if i restart x it works

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kdubya:

read up

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tank-man:

yea, i saw. i used an older version of the drivers

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xris:

IndRomChar: try turning on "extra audio buffering" in mythfrontend settings

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IndRomChar:

xris: thanks...i was just in that screen

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IndRomChar:

it's on

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xris:

indromchar: ah, so that didn't help... not sure what else might affect things — that setting solved my HD problems

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indromchar:

xris: thanks

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indromchar:

anybody else have ideas?

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xris:

indromchar: svn or .20.2?

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indromchar:

.20.2

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xris:

make sure that deinterlace is turned off

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xris:

svn has auto-detect code, but I doubt it's in .20.2

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kdubya:

i think there is autodetect it .20

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kdubya:

720p and 1080i are both too common for it to not be auto

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indromchar:

xris: i've tried with/without XvMC and with/without each interlace mode (including none)

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kdubya:

indromchar, what is your cpu usage?

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indromchar:

very high

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indromchar:

95% +

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xris:

kdubya: the auto-detect code to turn OFF the deinterlacer at times is pretty new.

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kdubya:

what is it in mplayer?

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xris:

indromchar: what speed cpu?

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kdubya:

xris, really? that seems pretty unacceptable

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xris:

kdubya: .20 is over a year old

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kdubya:

indromchar, is your cpu usage lower in mplayer?

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xris:

many people just let the video card decide how to handle things and don't have mythtv do any of the work

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indromchar:

kdubya: 60% using xine (same recording) — AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+

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kdubya:

thats pretty low

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kdubya:

ive never tried to play HD with a processor that slow, but supposedly it works

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indromchar:

ok, i'll try another question. 4 tuner cards (2 x pcHDTV and 2 x PVR-500) my SD recording are stretching to 16:9. I'd rather watch them in 4:3

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indromchar:

how in the world do I get them to play 4:3

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indromchar:

changing aspect in mythfrontend doesn't help

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

seems like you should have dropped some of that $600 you spent on capture cards on a better cpu

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indromchar:

hindsight (and gifts)

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indromchar:

2 of the cards were given to me

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kdubya:

i dont know

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kdubya:

about the aspect ratio thing

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kdubya:

i like it stretching everything to fit my screen

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indromchar:

yeah, personal taste, i guess

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kdubya:

i noticed espn never shows HD highlights for games shown in HD on cable

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kdubya:

i bet they have the same problem we do where they have no way to record it

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funburn_:

i'm using a tivo glo remote, and I have these thumbs up and thumbs down buttons. What do you think I should map them to?

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bsdfox_:

funburn_: I have my thumbs down mapped to delete

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funburn_:

yeah, I was thinking about that

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bsdfox_:

don't remember the thumbs up

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bsdfox_:

that's funny though, mine is a directv remote

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funburn_:

by the way, I figured out the repeat problem

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funburn_:

it was the irtrans config

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funburn_:

quite a pain in the ass to fix

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funburn_:

what does tivo/directtv use it for?

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bsdfox_:

funburn_: I think rating stuff

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Hoxzer:

http://pastebin.ca/804264 Does somebody know if this is a bug in multirec branch or do I have misconfiguration somewhere ?

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MaverickTech:

Hoxzer: I am running -multirec compiled from SVN a few hours back. I am seeing no problems. About 6 recordings so far without issue. Recording from DVB-T

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Hoxzer:

Ok, I'm using DVB-C might be that also

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Hoxzer:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . t%3B;#279317

[11:00:09]

Hoxzer:

Seems like I'm not the only one having these problems though ..

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Hoxzer:

-> school

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rooaus:

clever: You were asking last night, http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/15019 might be of interest.

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** justinh looks for some DoM thingies **

[12:28:43]

gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newmyth_idea7.png

[12:29:00]

gbee:

think xris needs to look elsewhere

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justinh:

why does everybody keep saying that? ;)

[12:32:25]

gbee:

ah-hah, think I'm onto something here

[12:32:26]

gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newmyth_idea8.png

[12:32:28]

justinh:

personally I don't think icons are really all that important. they don't help read the text out to you

[12:40:29]

gbee:

justinh: aye, I have to admit though that graphics do give a psychological edge – people automatically like something better if it looks professional and pretty

[12:40:55]

Dibblah:

Now that's funky. http://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=17162

[12:41:07]

Dibblah:

A drive with 5400–7200RPM spin speed.

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gbee:

updated – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newmyth_idea8.png

[12:41:57]

gbee:

wish I knew why the image was so blurry

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Dibblah:

Interesting. 4w @ idle.

[12:42:37]

Dibblah:

That appears to be spinning.

[12:42:48]

Dibblah:

Almost 1/2 of a normal disk.

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justinh:

gbee: looks fine here

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justinh:

Dibblah: I prefer 0W, as in not present :)

[12:43:39]

Dibblah:

You're using GDrive for Myth? ;)

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gbee:

justinh: compared to the original, and especially the page rendered in the web browser, it's not as sharp

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gbee:

doesn't really matter for a mockup, but I'd just like to know why I'm losing that definition

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justinh:

gbee: I agree icons add 'something' but like most eye candy it's superfluous in purely practical terms

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Dibblah:

gbee: I assume it's not reduced by your browser to fit the width of your display?

[12:44:42]

gbee:

Dibblah: no, fullscreen

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Dibblah:

odd.

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justinh:

Dibblah: did I tell you I got svideo perfectly centred & scaled in PAL mode?

[12:45:21]

gbee:

http://newmyth.forevermore.net/

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Dibblah:

You did. Finally, a solution you're happy with?

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justinh:

Dibblah: very much so. need to make it diskless, chop init down some, test lirc.. but it's mostly all there

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Dibblah:

Cool.

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Dibblah:

One thing I _really_ dislike about the board, though.

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justinh:

ordered a fanmate to spin the HSF down. for SDTV playback I bet I can just unplug the fan

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gbee:

justinh: I use to belong to the school of thought which said that webpages should be light on graphics and eye-candy, but like most people I quickly became tired of pages which were hard on the eyes

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Dibblah:

The bloody floppy connector.

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justinh:

what's a floppy?

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jduggan:

lol

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Dibblah:

The thing the manuf. wants you to use to flash the BIOS.

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justinh:

Dibblah: and the parallel connector.. 2mm pitch headers

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Dibblah:

Of course, I ended up netbooting to flash.

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justinh:

Dibblah: put the floppy image on a USB stick.. or hell even a CD

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gbee:

the truth lies somewhere between total eye-candy and the minimalist design

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Dibblah:

I stuck it on my tftp server.

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justinh:

I really like my site as it is now. the screenshots need some work but nothing short of an automagical gallery generator will help

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Dibblah:

justinh: What remote are you using?

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justinh:

OFA-6

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Dibblah:

Reciever.

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justinh:

serial port homebrew

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Dibblah:

Oh.

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justinh:

just made up a cable fer it :)

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gbee:

the metallurgy page looks that way simply because I'm too lazy to create any proper design or graphics for it

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html

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Dibblah:

If it was MCE, I'd be suggesting trying suspend.

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justinh:

Dibblah: been trying suspend anyway. hasn't been worky

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Dibblah:

Works from in X.

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Dibblah:

...?

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Dibblah:

What happens for you?

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justinh:

it goes off ok. doesn't wake up

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Dibblah:

Not netbooted?

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justinh:

not yet no

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Dibblah:

And is that from X or from console?

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justinh:

X

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Dibblah:

Hmmm. Works fine for me from X...

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justinh:

maybe it has something to do with upgrading from fisty felcher

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Dibblah:

And that is netbooted.

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justinh:

I might yet go with slack

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Dibblah:

Don't try the tools. Just do it directly.

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justinh:

what tools?

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Dibblah:

echo mem >/sys/power/state

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justinh:

ah

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justinh:

I'll try that tonight when I get home. did you have to flip about with the BIOS much?

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Dibblah:

You only need the s2r style tools if you care about the console.

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Dibblah:

No.

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justinh:

wouldn't mind getting rid of the RML logo though

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justinh:

Dibblah: basically just switched it to S1+s3 is all I did

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Dibblah:

The only thing I changed was setting the memory type to 'fixed' for the memory stealing. And that.

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justinh:

core2 duo chips are the awesome :)

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Dibblah:

... And flashed the BIOS to the AOpen one, rather than the custom research machines BIOS.

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justinh:

is there a setting in the Aopen bios to make the tv output PAL?

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justinh:

it'

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Dibblah:

From being a completely AMD house, I now have to agree with you.

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Dibblah:

No.

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justinh:

not a major thing – it's nice to just have _any_ tv output during POST etc

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Dibblah:

25w sitting idle, rather than 110w with my 'main' PC.

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justinh:

yeah I'm tempted to get some more going on, splash out on a 2.4Ghz chip too

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justinh:

fwiw, I don't think the FSB difference between core2 duo & the mobile variants affects me too much

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justinh:

I'd rather save power anyway

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justinh:

and I've never really needed much in the way of 3d graphics power so the onboard is fine

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justinh:

that's one thing I've not tried yet.. see how lame (or not) opengl is on it

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Dibblah:

It's not _terrible_.

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Dibblah:

No HW shading, etc.

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justinh:

don't really know what that means

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Dibblah:

Hardware shaders.

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** justinh must be one of the few people on Earth who never paid attention to all the GPU bollocks **

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Dibblah:

Heh. http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/gma950/index.htm

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Dibblah:

... Most of the features listed there are in fact provided by the driver, not the hardware.

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justinh:

"1.6 GPixels/sec and 1.6 GTexels/sec fill rate". no slouch then

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Dibblah:

Oooh. It should run Aeroglass. Yay.

[13:00:53]

justinh:

might also try xvmc for shits & gigles

[13:00:59]

Dibblah:

Doesn't work.

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Dibblah:

It's only supported on the <915

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Dibblah:

<= even.

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justinh:

ah

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justinh:

nm

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justinh:

cpu power!!

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Dibblah:

The 930+ does it differently, even though it is a 'better' chipset.

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DustyBin:

is it possible to put mythweb on another server away from the backend?

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Hoxzer:

:) MUltirec seems to be updated ->

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justinh:

DustyBin: aye

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Beirdo:

Now I'll have to go turn everything on again. sigh

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DustyBin:

our show's psychologist, ladies and gentleman, graham **audience claps**

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gbee:

?

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black_Nightmare_:

hey :p

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directhex|bsp:

diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle, the cow jumped over the moon

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justinh:

and slowly, and surely, they drew their plans against us..

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, the cow, the cat, the dish, the little dog, and the spoon?

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justinh:

yeah

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** justinh goes off to Button Moon to visit Mr Spoon **

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fxr:

hi m following a howto to create an lvm, i dont know what to put in for volume name.. can someone explain pls?

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fxr:

sudo vgcreate −s 8M <volume−name> / dev / sdb1

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justinh:

lvm? NVM

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directhex|bsp:

i can't get a response from my nfs serverish

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Code-rr:

What is "TRASNCODING" used for?

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fxr:

sorry dude, i dont really do acronyms.. what does nvm mean. ? :s

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Code-rr:

nvm = NeVer Mind

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Code-rr:

nvm = Not Valuble Member

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Computer_Czar:

Non-Volatile Memory?

[14:53:06]

Code-rr:

nvm = Northern Vermin Migration?

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fxr:

oh, right i c.. Not Very Manly

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directhex|bsp:

Code-rr, transcoding is turning one media format into another

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fxr:

so whats the deal with this command, m stuck on then .. ? eh

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fxr:

sudo vgcreate −s 8M <volume−name> / dev / sdb1

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** justinh wonders what lvm has to do with mythtv when it could be used for anything **

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Code-rr:

directhex|bsp: reason im asking is my DVB sometimes makes "currupt" mpegs, transcoding them would clean it up right?

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justinh:

Code-rr: nope

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fxr:

i dont know what or how to get my volume name..

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justinh:

Code-rr: though depends what you mean by 'corrupt'

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justinh:

fxr: maybe, try asking in #lvm-noobs or whatever :P

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hashbang:

justdave: radio interference, presumably

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fxr:

that room doesnt exist.. oh might all knowledgable justinh

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justinh:

fxr: maybe try reading a good online doc on lvm then

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Code-rr:

2007-12–02 19:01:52.080 [mpeg2video @ 0x14e6bc0]mb incr damaged

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Code-rr:

2007-12–02 19:01:52.102 [mpeg2video @ 0x14e6bc0]ac-tex damaged at 26 14

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Code-rr:

2007-12–02 19:01:52.209 [mpeg2video @ 0x14e6bc0]ac-tex damaged at 25 16

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Code-rr:

goes on and on

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justinh:

Code-rr: so? if the video looks fine don't worry

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Code-rr:

well i tried playing it through mythweb, and it plays the first few seconds then dies.. the file though is 500 megs+

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justinh:

windows media player sucks at playing native dvb recordings

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justinh:

vlc sometimes sucks too

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Code-rr:

hmm..

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Code-rr:

so would transcoding fix that?

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justinh:

might do

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justinh:

the 'lossless' transcode might. if it doesn't fail

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Code-rr:

you configure transconfing in frontend of setup?

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justinh:

no, you go down to the shops & do it there

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Code-rr:

:-P har har har

[15:02:10]

directhex|bsp:

install haali

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directhex|bsp:

the haali media splitter is a .mkv container filter for windows, which happens to also include support for mpeg2-ts (what DVB uses)

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justinh:

or install linux on the machine & get mythfrontend going on it. problem solved

[15:04:14]

Code-rr:

LOL: MatroskaSplitter is a simple installer that supports both Win9x and real systems.

[15:04:17]

directhex|bsp:

or use mythtv player on windows

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Code-rr:

directhex|bsp: problem with that is protocl versions :( they onlyup to 19

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Code-rr:

version 19

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directhex|bsp:

Code-rr, that's winmyth

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Code-rr:

directhex|bsp: what would u suggest?

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Code-rr:

umm as for mythtv.. how well does mythfrontend run over a wan?

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GreyFoxx:

that depends... how much bandwidth is available? More than the bitrate of the video ?

[15:05:30]

GreyFoxx:

if it's less it will suck :)

[15:05:38]

GreyFoxx:

if it's more it would likely be ok

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Code-rr:

+GreyFoxx: well one end is a T1, the other end is a 1/2 megabit upload........ hmmm

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directhex|bsp:

Code-rr, haali, or mythtv player. see http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10005&page=8

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GreyFoxx:

Code-rr: That would likely suck

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GreyFoxx:

at lesat without some transcoding to shrink it and lower the bitrate

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Code-rr:

+GreyFoxx: that what i though

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Code-rr:

+GreyFoxx: hence me using mythweb :)

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Code-rr:

good old ffmpeg!

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justinh:

hahaha is that all T1 is? 1.544Mbits

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oobe:

ya and that used to be very fast to me

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oobe:

it sounds fast to

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Beirdo:

justinh: that's still about 3* the downstream I have and 6* the upstream

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Beirdo:

craptacular cheap-ass cable modem provider

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justinh:

ouch

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Code-rr:

justinh: yeh im tryiin got get a bonded T1

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Beirdo:

but paying for T1 is a bit much for me right now. I'd love to have DSL if the CO weren't just too far away

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Code-rr:

mythtvplayer uses protocol 15 backend 31!

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Code-rr:

i mean 36

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justinh:

Code-rr: so smack the mythtv player author then

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justinh:

anyway don't those things all depend on external players anyway?

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** Code-rr smacks open source coder! **

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** Code-rr wonders if its posible to transcode LIVE TV over the internet **

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GreyFoxx:

I think mythtvplayer lets you manually override and set the protocol number as well

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GreyFoxx:

but I've barely looked at it

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GreyFoxx:

Code-rr: I use to do that with vlc, but myth doesn't do it

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, it allows overriding, it's in the config file

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Code-rr:

yeh i foudn it

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, and the new beta version has a tickbox for protocol ignoring

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DustyBin:

does anybody know what file the database settings are stored on mythweb

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Code-rr:

damit mythbackend thiks its ip is 42.254 but my openvpn tunnel is 204.10 :-S

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Code-rr:

=(

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Saviq:

hi guys, question: does MythTV get the XMLTV's <episode> tag into account when it tries to find duplicates?

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** justinh laughs. "looking for driver suggestions for piece of EPIA crap hardware" **

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Saviq:

or shouldn't I bother?

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DustyBin:

i found it, .htaccess.dist

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black_Nightmare_:

justinh...very funny

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justinh:

"everything works fine, except hardware mpeg acceleration".. roflmao

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black_Nightmare_:

sounds like someone didn't download from via's site maybe ;)

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black_Nightmare_:

because I've never ever heard of that on the linux forum for them

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justinh:

sounds like somebody bought the wrong motherboard entirely

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black_Nightmare_:

or that works too :p

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justinh:

I'm almost cured of my Epia affliction

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black_Nightmare_:

affliction?

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justinh:

yeah. affliction

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black_Nightmare_:

what is that?

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justinh:

or blight, pestilence, plague, infection..

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directhex|bsp:

addiction!

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black_Nightmare_:

lol..seriously directhex? :p

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Saviq:

erm can anyone tell me why my character encoding's fine in the tv guide but not on the OSD?

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black_Nightmare_:

if I had to ask for intel + minitx altogether.... that'll be like $234usd and the processor is seperate

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black_Nightmare_:

go figure on that ^_^

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Code-rr:

can i give a backend more then on ip address?

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directhex|bsp:

black_Nightmare_, you think?

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black_Nightmare_:

yeah thats what the two stores say

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directhex|bsp:

black_Nightmare_, try $72.99 for an intel board with integrated 1.2ghz celeron

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black_Nightmare_:

and where's the 3 pci slots on that one? :p

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directhex|bsp:

black_Nightmare_, how many mini-itx boards have 3pci, pray tell?

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black_Nightmare_:

this one is ide+2xsata,multi usb,fw, vga+tv, realtek nic+audio, and still a free pci slot

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black_Nightmare_:

enough said

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directhex|bsp:

black_Nightmare_, how does that answer the question in the slightest?

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directhex|bsp:

black_Nightmare_, all of the above are pretty basic features

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black_Nightmare_:

well that little intel board doesn't have them and there's not even 3 pci slots to add up these missing items

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directhex|bsp:

Six USB 2.0 ports

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directhex|bsp:

One Parallel ATA IDE interface with UDMA 33, ATA-66/100/133 support

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directhex|bsp:

Two SATA ports (1.5 GB/s)

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directhex|bsp:

One S-Video output port

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directhex|bsp:

10/100 Mbits/sec LAN subsystem using the Broadcom* LAN adapter device

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directhex|bsp:

ADI* AD1888 audio codec

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directhex|bsp:

so... firewire, then

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black_Nightmare_:

where's realtek?

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directhex|bsp:

who gives a fuck about realtek?

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black_Nightmare_:

directhex..in another word: where the hell do I find adi?

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directhex|bsp:

you don't. you run it through intel-hda.ko, same as with realtek

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black_Nightmare_:

and where am I supposed to find intel-hda.ko to use in multiboot?

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directhex|bsp:

sorry, snd-intel8x0.ko

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directhex|bsp:

black_Nightmare_, it's been supoprted in alsa since 2004 O_o

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black_Nightmare_:

point is..if it can't be find as simple drivers its not going work here

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directhex|bsp:

i'm utterly baffled as to what you're takling about. it's an ac97 chip. it's in alsa 1.0.1

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black_Nightmare_:

and not all oses can use alsa

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directhex|bsp:

which OSes can't use the most generic audio driver layer ever deployed?

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oobe:

does anyone here use shepherd?

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Viaken:

Any tips for disabling onboard video when the BIOS doesn't have that option?

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fryfrog:

set it to init AGP/PCI-E first and ignore it :(

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fryfrog:

you might also be able to get a bios update, or google for your mb and see if anyone has a solution

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fryfrog:

*sometimes* there is a jumper on the motherboard, but that is kind of old school

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Viaken:

fair enough :) Thanks

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fryfrog:

actually, i'd prolly look first for a jumper if it isn't in bios

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Viaken:

There's an option whose help mentions "disable onboard video", but that isn't an option in the menu.

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fryfrog:

weird

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

try CTRL-F1

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fryfrog:

or ALT-F1

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fryfrog:

maybe even SHIFT-F1?

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fryfrog:

there is one bios that hides "advanced" options until you press this

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fryfrog:

maybe ctrl-alt or ctrl-shift or alt-shift (plus F1)

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fryfrog:

i never remember which it is, but run through them real quick and usually find it :)

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** Viaken nods. I'll give it a try. **

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beakster:

Hi, how can I delete all the recorded programs older than 2 weeks all in one go?

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fryfrog:

i can't think of an easy way :/

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fryfrog:

any reason you'd want to?

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gbee:

add them to a playlist and delete the playlist?

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fryfrog:

wouldn't you have to add them 1 by 1 to playlist?

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gbee:

adding recordings to a playlist is a one button action

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beakster:

because my flat mates have recorded a load of crap

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fryfrog:

ah

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beakster:

i dont want episodes of beauty and the geek from August taking up space on my hard drive

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fryfrog:

you could also just set myth to "record new, delete old" and set yourself a reasonable free space time out

[16:29:23]

fryfrog:

er, free space... limit?

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beakster:

i set that to 5 GB

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fryfrog:

myth will use priorities and such to go and delete what it needs to, when it needs space

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gbee:

beakster: if you use auto-expire then they'll be deleted to make space for new stuff

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beakster:

ok, so if i wanted loads gone now, i could set the free space limit to 100GB, and Myth would start deleteing?

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fryfrog:

sure, that should do it

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beakster:

i have 190GB allocated to Myth, so settng the limit to 100 should remove just over hald

[16:30:37]

beakster:

half

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fryfrog:

speaking of which, i need to check and see what my limit is

[16:30:54]

fryfrog:

but it'll delete stuff based on age and priority :/

[16:31:03]

fryfrog:

and of course, it'll only get stuff that is set to "auto expire"

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fryfrog:

(which is the default, afair)

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beakster:

so ive changed the limit, when will it start deleting? do i have to manually start a cron job?

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Weezey:

I've got more music in my MythMusic folder, tried reloading, but it doesn't seem to find the new stuff. The same user can access it on the folder though so I know it's not a permissions issue.

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gbee:

Weezey: when you say reloading? You mean you've asked mythmusic to scan for it?

[16:38:57]

Weezey:

it does that each time I open mythmusic, doesn't it?

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gbee:

Weezey: no, since it would take too long on systems with very large collections

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Weezey:

dang, k

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Weezey:

thanks

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gbee:

it's a seperate option under the music tools menu

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gbee:

beakster: start a recording, that wakes up the auto-expirer

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Weezey:

I think I need more ram in my master backend

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beakster:

gbee ta, its seems to be working now. I'm tailing the log and it seems to be expireing

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beakster:

grr

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beakster:

its only expiring LiveTV recordings

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gbee:

beakster: it starts with livetv recordings first (since they are assumed to be of low value unless you chose to record them)

[16:53:01]

beakster:

i see

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beakster:

it only seems to have done livetv tho

[16:53:28]

beakster:

its not going through any of the recorded progs

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beakster:

i'll try restarting back end

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beakster:

"AutoExpire: Required Free Space: 112.2 GB w/freq: 5 min"

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beakster:

whats the w/freq all about?

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beakster:

oh, Sucess

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beakster:

its gone from 150 progs down to 39

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beakster:

result :)

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Viaken:

Congrats

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Viaken:

Is it possible to add an NFS volume to LVM?

[17:00:08]

Viaken:

I have some space on this machine, locally, but most of my storage is on my home server. I'd love to be able to combine the two...

[17:00:25]

iamlindoro_:

Viaken, probably not

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** Viaken nods **

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Viaken:

That was my guess.

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beakster:

grrr, my auto expired programs have disappread from mythweb but not mythfrontend

[17:03:23]

FinnTux:

Viaken, iSCSI might work

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Viaken:

They aren't SCSI disks and it's not important enough to spend more money. lol

[17:04:35]

beakster:

grr mythweb is back at 70 programs

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FinnTux:

I said _i_SCSI not SCSI :)

[17:05:05]

FinnTux:

google it :)

[17:05:29]

Viaken:

I hit Wikipedia. It talks about sending SCSI commands to SCSI devices on remote servers. lol

[17:05:36]

FinnTux:

yup

[17:06:09]

FinnTux:

simply put, you can share a file or physical partition over the network

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Viaken:

...these aren't SCSI devices, though. Does it emulate one?

[17:06:36]

FinnTux:

which then appears as SCSI disk on the initiator (client)

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Viaken:

Interesting

[17:07:57]

FinnTux:

you can then create partition(s) assign it to lvm

[17:08:17]

FinnTux:

http://www.novaglobal.com.sg/?q=linux-storage

[17:09:07]

FinnTux:

there, you shouldn't have problems with free time for the next few days... :)

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Viaken:

FinnTux: heh...I didn't before. :P Thanks, though.

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Viaken:

Based on some searching, it's impossible to disable the onboard video for this system.

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justinh:

I never had an epia addiction but I did once think they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. not any more though, oh no

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Viaken:

So...why can't I tell X to use my nvidia card, not my intel card?

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iamlindoro_:

I don't see why you couldn't, so long as you got the BusID section of xorg.conf right

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Viaken:

lspci says 01:08.0. Does that mean I should use PCI:1:8:0?

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justinh:

Viaken: some motherboards have a jumper setting you have to change

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iamlindoro_:

viaken, what's the mobo?

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Viaken:

ASUS CUW-AM. I'm checking now.

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seth|work:

hey fryfrog , glad to see the remote is working for you. :)

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lexs:

hi, is there anything like a dvb-t card with to tuners that can handle a CAM? eg has a CI slot.

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justinh:

lexs: yeah sure but they're pretty rare

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lexs:

justinh: do you know any?

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justinh:

sadly only one I know of & it's made by twinhan, who suck

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lexs:

if i understood this correctly, using a phoenix reader and a cardserver wont make your card update itself

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justinh:

I think maybe Technotrend make one or two aswell

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justinh:

card servers are naughty

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lexs:

oh, s/to/two

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lexs:

justinh: so, twinhan sucks? ;(

[17:39:49]

justinh:

http://www.dvbshop.net/index.php/cat/c26_DVB-T-PCI-USB.html

[17:40:31]

justinh:

maybe hauppauge made a CI version of their nova-t card too

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lexs:

is satelco or technotrend any good?

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justinh:

hmmm a google search on 'dvb-t ci' is returning mostly twinhan

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justinh:

technotrend are ok. don't know about satelco

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justinh:

whatever you decide on, check it'll work in linux by looking at the wiki at linuxtv.org first!

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lexs:

ofc :)

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directhex:

hauppauge's CI is USB-only

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directhex:

experience says: TT works, assuming you have reception

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justinh:

somebody else I know has a twinhan card & he says the reception is sucky but he's never been sure if it was the card or the cabling/aerial

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lexs:

so, http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . -remote.html + their CI card?

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justinh:

lexs: should work just fine

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lexs:

and hdtv should work right?

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lexs:

as i dont think it depends on the card at all

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AndyCap:

anyone know how the usb ci works? does it send the stream to the ci and back or does it get supersecret keys from the ci and thus is impossible to support on linux (unless you're a little bit naughty)

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lexs:

AndyCap: i guess it works pretty much as a phoenix rader

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lexs:

reader*

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lexs:

noone that has any experience with Satelco?

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justinh:

i.e. mythtv is unlikely to ever support it (a CI external to the card)

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justinh:

AndyCap, lexs: I think the likes of external CI modules is that they still rely on software to do the decryption. all they are is an interface to the CAM & card AFAIK

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lexs:

yeah, as i said :)

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lexs:

but is it right that the card doesnt update itself if you use a cardserver?

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directhex:

i've never done illegal softcam nonsense, so i wouldn't know

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directhex:

but, generally speaking, only hardware cams (that plug into the tv card, not USB or somesuch) will ever be supported by myth

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edge:

Can my MythTV box send , commands to a cable box, provided by my Cable company?

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Viaken:

edge: Depends on the box

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edge:

viaken, its a motorola cable box

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iamlindoro_:

more than likely, yes. Usually accomplished via firewire or a IR transmitter

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edge:

what kinda IR transmitter should i be looking to get?

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Viaken:

Mine requires a USB-null modem-USB connection.

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iamlindoro_:

edge, any ir transmitter that you can make work is fine, remote emulation is accomplished via software

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Viaken:

edge: This apparently works well: http://iguanaworks.net/

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iamlindoro_:

goodle "Ir blaster"

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iamlindoro_:

er google

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justinh:

hrm this lirc receiver isn't very responsive. I think the serial port might be a little weak :(

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directhex:

rs232 for teh win

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justinh:

no, rs232 is the problem. lazy driver circuits :(

[18:17:40]

justinh:

not really an issue since 5v is easy to come by on motherboards :)

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jedix:

strange

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jedix:

I can't get to 840

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jedix:

how can I make echo display a number in hex?

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jedix:

from hex is $((0x10)) for example..

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justinh:

ffs why is it everytime I install lirc from a package, irrecord is somehow broken?

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directhex:

because lirc is a fragile ecosystem that relies on your 2.2.20 kernel neve changing

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justinh:

rofl

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justinh:

time to remove some cruft!

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justinh:

wtf?! removing gimp wants to remove ubuntu-desktop too

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jduggan:

heh

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bsdfox__:

ubuntu is crap

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directhex:

justinh, it's called a metapackage. you can safely remove the metapackage

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directhex:

justinh, essentially it's an empty package, whose only puspose is to depend on other things, so you can install "ubuntu-desktop" nistead of acpi, acpi-support, acpid, alacarte, anacron and so on by hand

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fysa:

I suggest not removing 'ubuntu-desktop' :P

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directhex:

fysa, why? removing metapackages is perfectly safe

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Beirdo:

bsdfox__, silly... let's not start a distro war today, K?

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bsdfox__:

sometimes the truth just has to be said

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justinh:

I think that now I know what the hardware does I might just go with a minimal slack

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Beirdo:

s/truth/opinion/

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Beirdo:

oh I wish I remembered just what the HELL I left off when reworking the MUD code... in March

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Beirdo:

ugh

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fysa:

ah, I guess you're right

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fysa:

you can reinstall it before doing a dist upgrade.

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justinh:

bye bye gstreamer! muhhahaha

[18:58:05]

justinh:

jees man. still over 4.2GB used

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fysa:

openoffice

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fysa:

oh

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fysa:

and check the apt cache.

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fysa:

mine was huge.

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fysa:

dpkg-query --show --showformat='${Package;-50}\t${Installed-Size}\n' | sort -k 2 -n

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fysa:

that will show all packages installed sorted by size.

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justinh:

3.7GB now

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fysa:

ubuntu has an 'embedded' system creation tool

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fysa:

that can be used to put together smallish USB-bootable 150MB distros

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fysa:

using xubuntu instead can give you some extra space.

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fysa:

apt-get install xubuntu-desktop should work..

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fysa:

switches to XFCE

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justinh:

screw that

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justinh:

I'll get another spare HDD & go with slack

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fysa:

that was Ubuntu H2

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fysa:

er, there was

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fysa:

aha

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fysa:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersis . . . 28liveusb%29

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fysa:

http://88.191.31.14/ubuntuFeistyPatched/

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justinh:

hmmm. sounds like work

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fysa:

yeah.

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fysa:

:/

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justinh:

reckon I've got enough space space

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justinh:

I can always pare it down later & when I'm netbooting I can easily back everything up & hack to my heart's content

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justinh:

hrm. went into suspend to ram & network isn't coming back

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justinh:

but, unplugged & replugged the lan cable & it's up again

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Viaken:

What's the channel frequency table do? I'm hooking into a set-top box, so it'll need to stay on "channel 4". Should I leave it us-bcast or choose one of the cable options?

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Weezey:

mm, I wish I could get Channel 4 in North America.

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justinh:

Viaken: when you're not tuning a tuner (which you won't be) the frequency table doesn't really matter

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gbee:

Viaken: you using a PVR-150? it's not relevant in that case

[19:31:22]

Viaken:

Yeah, PVR-150. Thanks. :)

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gbee:

only matters when mythtv is receiving the single directly from the aerial/cable/sattellite

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justinh:

s/single/signal

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gbee:

err, yeah

[19:34:06]

gbee:

two typos for the price of one in that sentence

[19:35:23]

Viaken:

But I can't plug it straight into the satellite because DirectTV uses a signal it can't decode, right?

[19:35:55]

justinh:

right

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Viaken:

That's what I thought.

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Viaken:

Thank you :)

[19:36:21]

Viaken:

Trying to get this working by Christmas. lol

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justinh:

I'm soon gonna update my BIOS :-\

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justinh:

have to make a boot cd with everything on

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GreyFoxx:

hehe that was apain for me recently

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GreyFoxx:

no floppy, no spare hd, couldn't get any of the usb doskey stuff to work

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GreyFoxx:

finally made my own bootable windows livecd to do it

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GreyFoxx:

the dos version of the bios util kept crashing so I had to use the windows version

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sxealex:

anyone out there care to help me with a database problem

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sxealex:

?

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sxealex:

on mythbuntu gutsy

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Viaken:

You may try #ubuntu-mythtv

[20:03:06]

Viaken:

Hang in here, too, tho.

[20:03:12]

sxealex:

alrighty

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sxealex:

thanks

[20:03:17]

Viaken:

No problem. :)

[20:03:34]

Weezey:

how long should it take Dell to find the number for another dell branch?

[20:03:36]

Weezey:

honestly.

[20:03:59]

sxealex:

longer than you shoulda spent purchasing their compys

[20:04:09]

sxealex:

:)

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Viaken:

Is mythfilldb faster after the initial fill? I hope. :P

[20:06:52]

GreyFoxx:

yes

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Gurft:

Quick question, I want to copy some old VHS tapes to DVD, I tried playing with manual record, but it seems to much trouble

[20:12:02]

Gurft:

is there a quick util to just dump an input to a mpg file? or just cat /dev/video0 > tape1.mpg with my PVR-150

[20:12:09]

justinh:

you got it

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Gurft:

Cool, seems liek the file sizes are quite large

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justinh:

though a manual recording would be less hassle. you can easily trim it later

[20:12:32]

Weezey:

uncompressed mpg is big.

[20:12:32]

Gurft:

250Mb for 5 minutes of video

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Weezey:

2.2GB/hr

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justinh:

Weezey: all mpeg is compressed

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Weezey:

right,

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Weezey:

should the transcode app work?

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Gurft:

Well, I'll probably transcode it manually later, then dump it to DVD

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Weezey:

on my systems (running SVN) it just shits a brick when you tell it to transcode.

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fryfrog:

does anyone recall some text of the "free space" setting? i'm looking for it in the DB but I am not sure what it is called

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justinh:

mythtv-setup, under the general tab IIRC

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tauchermk:

hi, my mythtv is very slow when i watch tv and i think this is a problem of using xvmc (the PC has a GeForce 4 MX), but i cannot compile without xvmc, because i get errors when compiling.

[20:29:12]

fryfrog:

so compile with xvmc support but don't use it?

[20:30:44]

justinh:

if you didn't tell mythfrontend to use xvmc during playback (utils/setup > setup > tv > playback) then it won't use it

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jams:

now taking postive comments and thoughts on http://jmeyer.us/screens

[20:32:15]

fryfrog:

looks simple

[20:32:26]

fryfrog:

also, bonus points for not being tubgirl, lemon party or goatse

[20:32:38]

jams:

fryfrog- simple is the idea

[20:32:48]

fryfrog:

simple is good :)

[20:32:57]

jams:

hehe i don't know what lemonparty is nor do I want to.

[20:33:02]

justinh:

simple doesn't eat memory :)

[20:33:16]

fryfrog:

what i'm looking forward to in mythtv is a unification of "videos" and "recordings"

[20:33:24]

jams:

thoughts on which color to go with?

[20:33:25]

fryfrog:

I hope it happens some day.

[20:33:29]

justinh:

any reason in particular why there's no shiny shiny, jams?

[20:33:30]

fryfrog:

can't offer all of them?

[20:33:55]

Weezey:

blue or green

[20:34:08]

fryfrog:

i like blue, then green. if you had purple though :)

[20:34:16]

fryfrog:

red is too... mean? violent?

[20:34:18]

justinh:

though I have to admit, I think you can have too much shiny shiny, and that time will soon come

[20:34:19]

fryfrog:

bloody?

[20:34:26]

fryfrog:

amber was okay

[20:34:38]

jams:

justinh- no real reason other then i didn't do it

[20:34:43]

jams:

fryfrog- i could do purple

[20:34:44]

justinh:

jams: maybe make the colours less saturated.. say down to 75% or 80%

[20:35:02]

justinh:

I like the fact there are no watermarks too

[20:35:03]

jams:

justinh- talking about the selection bar or everything?

[20:35:14]

[Jasper]:

hej guys...any way to adjust the overlay in mythvideo?

[20:35:24]

[Jasper]:

so subtitles get printed lower?

[20:35:40]

justinh:

jams: think the selectionbar is ok

[20:35:44]

fryfrog:

are you using myth for playback or mplayer/xine?

[20:35:53]

[Jasper]:

myth

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justinh:

jams: though the rounded edges will prolly get lost in overscan

[20:36:05]

jams:

good point

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fryfrog:

i swear i have run accross a subtitles section with settings

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fryfrog:

but you'd have to dig around to find em :/

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Widget:

'lo

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justinh:

jams: but then again, I've noticed that with 4:3 themes there's no room to allow for overscan in the main screens really so you _have_ to resize it from the GUI

[20:36:56]

jams:

justinh- the bar was smaller, but thought the bar looked better touching the brightest part of the gradient.

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Widget:

does anyone else here grab from a source using xmltv, and then update it with EIT data?

[20:37:17]

justinh:

jams: aye I can see that

[20:37:23]

jams:

kinda like lightbulb filiment.

[20:37:40]

justinh:

fyi folks no you can't change the subtitle position

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Widget:

only mythtv here will fail to record something, as the EIT data will change a programme name, and then the recording match will fail

[20:38:23]

jams:

i will probably do all the colors, but wanted to make sure people would use it

[20:38:46]

jams:

or even that people liked it

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[Jasper]:

fryfrog you serious?

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[Jasper]:

I never saw a subtitle menu

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fryfrog:

no, no sorry

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[Jasper]:

I'm using internal player

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fryfrog:

i mean i swear i've seen *settings* pertaining to subtitles, somewhere in setup

[20:39:15]

justinh:

be ok for people with next to no ram – infact I've been threatening to do my own revamp of the minimal 4:3 theme

[20:39:23]

fryfrog:

but there are so many settings "groups" and so many pages on each :/

[20:39:30]

fryfrog:

i've no idea if i'm right or even where it might be

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justinh:

fryfrog: er... there are settings for the fonts used for CC etc, not the position

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[Jasper]:

hmm

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jams:

justinh- the big reason for simple, is for running of cd or some other live enviroment.

[20:40:13]

justinh:

most subtitles/CC are designed to be shown where the content producer wants them onscreen anyway

[20:40:28]

justinh:

they can move!

[20:40:43]

justinh:

but if it's fansubbed stuff, go yell at whoever did it

[20:40:43]

[Jasper]:

not really justinh you see...there are 16:9 movies

[20:41:00]

[Jasper]:

which have black bars, I want the subtitles there...but myth internal is not using full overlay

[20:41:16]

jams:

justinh- are you talking about minimalist-wide -> minimalist-square?

[20:41:16]

justinh:

you shouldn't be allowed to control where they go

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Widget:

i think i'm going to turn off EIT on my mythtv box, as I've just lost the recordings I needed of the news tonight as EIT data renamed them from "News; Weather" to "News" and then didn't record them

[20:41:37]

justinh:

jams: no, was talking very low ram footprint rework of whatever that theme is

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[Jasper]:

justinh that's new for me

[20:42:33]

[Jasper]:

I never found a menu for it

[20:42:53]

jams:

Iulius?

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justinh:

jams: think that's it

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jams:

hehe

[20:43:20]

justinh:

Iulius-shiny or whatever

[20:43:33]

justinh:

low memory usage doesn't have to look last century :)

[20:43:50]

jams:

this theme started out as cp -rp Iulius test-theme.

[20:43:54]

justinh:

this fad for reflections n stuff though – hope it dies soon

[20:44:21]

jams:

they have a their place, but yeah it's overdone.

[20:44:29]

justinh:

even on tv ads now!

[20:44:45]

jams:

might be one reason those screenshot don't have any shine to them.

[20:44:46]

[Jasper]:

hmm I found it on the future wishlist

[20:44:49]

[Jasper]:

of mythtv

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justinh:

it was cool when apple first did it

[20:45:26]

** justinh tries not to laugh. wishlist. haha **

[20:45:31]

** jams starts on purple just for fryfrog **

[20:45:31]

justinh:

oops

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justinh:

jams: last thing.. are the colour graduations better in real life – i.e. is that just jpeggyness there?

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justinh:

might be my monitor though

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[Jasper]:

guys, what is the line I have to add to fstab for autostart?

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jams:

they are smoother in real life

[20:48:07]

justinh:

jams: thought they prolly would be :) jpeg sucks

[20:48:24]

jams:

thats the default for ksnapshot

[20:49:01]

jams:

on of these color schemes will be the default for mythvantage.

[20:49:14]

jams:

havn't decided which one yet.

[20:51:15]

jams:

i first started out with something that looked like a plasma ball, but just couldn't get it to look like what I had in my head.

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justinh:

gawd I only wanted to burn a bootable CD.. 160MB download and half hour installation process later...

[20:53:03]

justinh:

FO! I am not fscking restarting just because I installed an app you stinking PoS!

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gbee:

justinh: Windows?

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justinh:

what else

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justinh:

wooo Nero BurninRom – now slower than ever!

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Weezey:

hmm, okay mythtranscode segfaults, so what do I need to run to catch some useful output?

[20:55:12]

gbee:

jams: png is the default for ksnapshot here, or maybe I just changed it and don't remember

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jams:

gbee- what are your thoughts on the preview images?

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** gbee scrolls back to look for them **

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jams:

jmeyer.us/screens

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** gbee waits and waits for it to load **

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justinh:

oh noes! there's gonna be a 'torchwood' for kids

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** justinh sells his tv **

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jams:

huh looks like my linode just dropped out

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justinh:

looks like I'm not upgrading my BIOS tonight. damn thing won't boot dr-dos

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justinh:

wonder if the UltimateBootCD effort can read a usb stick

[20:59:27]

Widget:

has anybody else had EIT data losing their recordings for them?

[20:59:45]

fryfrog:

don't use eit, sorry

[21:00:05]

tauchermk:

ok, mythtv is too slow when i watch tv, i get more standing picture then a film. CPU: 60%, >200MB Memory cached and about 80MB free, what can it be?

[21:00:36]

clever:

cpu speed and vid codec?

[21:00:37]

justinh:

your computer is too slow, maybe?

[21:00:50]

tauchermk:

i use libmpeg2

[21:00:52]

fryfrog:

and card used for tv input?

[21:01:03]

fryfrog:

svn trunk or 20.2? or -fixes?

[21:01:03]

tauchermk:

Terratec Cinergy T2

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Widget:

i think I'm going to turn off EIT, as it renames programmes, and then I lose them, but OTOH the radiotimes script for xmltv stops working for days at a time due to a bad char in the channel listings that doesn't get escaped

[21:01:14]

justinh:

vga card?

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fryfrog:

is that a framegrabber or mpeg2?

[21:01:22]

** justinh stabs in the dark at ATI **

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Widget:

shame I don't know how to fix either :(

[21:01:27]

tauchermk:

GeForce 4 MX

[21:01:35]

justinh:

tauchermk: using nv or nvidia drivers?

[21:01:39]

tauchermk:

nvidia

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** Widget was on the news today in the UK and didn't get to see it :( **

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fryfrog:

awww!

[21:01:57]

justinh:

any better using 'standard' rather than libmpeg2?

[21:02:09]

tauchermk:

standard is the same

[21:02:17]

justinh:

what CPU then?

[21:02:33]

fryfrog:

hi, is that card a framegrabber or mpeg2 hardware?

[21:02:45]

tauchermk:

i mean, i have the same problems with it and the same average of CPU and memory with it

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justinh:

fryfrog: DVB, so it's none of the above

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tauchermk:

it is a framegrabber

[21:03:21]

justinh:

it's a DVB-T tuner

[21:03:23]

bradd:

is there a way to make mythmusic automatically scan for new music ?

[21:03:29]

justinh:

bradd: no

[21:03:36]

bradd:

bummer

[21:03:50]

justinh:

yeah so you'll have to rescan the torrent dir every day or so

[21:04:05]

iamlindoro_:

ha

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tauchermk:

yes, it is a DVB-T Tuner and it has no hardware mpeg2

[21:04:25]

tauchermk:

(softdevice)

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justinh:

dvb-t tuners don't _need_ hardware encoding

[21:04:43]

clever:

dvb i think has it in mpeg2 on the wire

[21:05:09]

justinh:

did you just say softdevice? ahh well no help from here then

[21:05:19]

tauchermk:

i think so too, but btw. the sound is "fluid"

[21:05:31]

BULLE:

justinh: very few dvb cards have hardware mpeg2 decoder these days

[21:05:34]

BULLE:

justinh: VERY few

[21:05:40]

justinh:

GOOD

[21:06:29]

BULLE:

justinh: so why wont you help the chap, because he has a card that dont have a hardware mpeg2 decoder ?

[21:06:45]

BULLE:

im not even sure i can buy a dvb card with hardware mpeg2 decoder anymore here

[21:07:46]

justinh:

how many times has it been asked "what CPU?" so far then?

[21:08:09]

iamlindoro_:

I think he meant no help because it appeared he was referring to a softcam

[21:08:29]

justinh:

no I meant that softdevice is for VDR and bugger all to do with mythtv

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jams:

http://jmeyer.us/screens/preview-purple.jpg

[21:10:49]

jams:

fryfrog http://jmeyer.us/screens/preview-purple.jpg

[21:11:11]

jams:

gbee- is might work now for you. linode was having routing problems, but it seems to be fixed.

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tauchermk:

i have a gentoo system and i had it running fluedly on Ubuntu on the same machine

[21:13:01]

** justinh laughs. cvs lirc is properly borked. ./configure — not found! **

[21:13:55]

janneg:

justinh: man autotools. run autoreconf

[21:14:56]

janneg:

there is probably a autogen.sh which you can run too

[21:15:21]

justinh:

just grabbed a tarball of 0.8.2 which is just working now

[21:16:01]

kslater:

is anyone using firewire to capture from a comcast digital settop box? I have a buddy that's struggling and I need to fill in some (big) gaps in my mental map.

[21:18:12]

fryfrog:

have done, but its a huge pot shot

[21:18:21]

fryfrog:

try broadcast, try p2p

[21:18:31]

fryfrog:

hope that some/all channels are not 5c'd

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jams:

fryfrog- purple looks fairly good.

[21:20:49]

fryfrog:

hawt :)

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fryfrog:

you know, i kind of liked your idea of a "filament"

[21:21:20]

fryfrog:

i wonder what the oval would look like if it were tight squiggles instead of an oval

[21:21:39]

fryfrog:

almost like ^^^^^^^^^^^^

[21:21:48]

fryfrog:

but more random (still small though)

[21:21:48]

jams:

i think the selection bar needs some work on the edges to make it really pop.

[21:21:57]

jams:

fryfrog- interesting idea

[21:22:13]

justinh:

squiggles.. very 1980s :)

[21:22:16]

fryfrog:

would you eventually have any pictures?

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jams:

justinh- squiggles was my nickname in highschool

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fryfrog:

i personally would prefer it to be left justified, closer to the purple haze, with some sort of a small picture to the right

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fryfrog:

(or vica versa, maybe)

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justinh:

bah watermarks suck up ram.. and suck

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jams:

fryfrog- some a watermark instead the oval?

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justinh:

fryfrog: why represent something pictorially which is already there in text?

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fryfrog:

maybe bring the purple gradiant over farther on one side, then make the "selector" open up into a rectangle that included a picture of the item

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jams:

inside the oval.

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fryfrog:

it is hard to describe a ui idea in text :)

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justinh:

have you ever tried representing the mythtv menu items pictorially? man!

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jams:

fryfrog- i don't know if that will happen or not.

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jams:

yeah it is hard finding watermarks

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fryfrog:

its just an idea, i won't cry if you don't use it :0

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jams:

heh

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justinh:

jams: I think it's easier to draw watermarks than find them

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justinh:

that isn't saying much though

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jams:

justinh- draw/find it's still hard to come up with ideas for some of those options.

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iamlindoro_:

Does mythTV understand any vector format for watermarks, or do they have to be raster?

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justinh:

all raster. everything

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iamlindoro_:

Shame.

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justinh:

well apart from fonts

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justinh:

no shame at all

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justinh:

have you seen OSS media icons lately?

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iamlindoro_:

Not a shame so long as you include high enough resolution ones :)

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justinh:

I can't see it being viable to draw svg icons in real time, esp. if any animation is planned

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justinh:

not unless they're really simple

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justinh:

way around it would be to render them into rasters

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iamlindoro_:

Right, would be smart to do that during "scaling theme" time, but having VGs would allow them to work beautifully at any resolution, even higher than that anticipated by the theme author

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justinh:

too late for that now

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iamlindoro_:

And, of course, the theme could be much smaller to download

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iamlindoro_:

Heh

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iamlindoro_:

S'pose so, that's why I asked

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justinh:

soon to be no base res limit

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justinh:

and who cares if the theme is a 20MB download?

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iamlindoro_:

Someone who's hosting popular themes for download

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iamlindoro_:

Know anyone like that? ;)

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justinh:

might be moot for me since I don't plan to port anything across when the new ui happens. maybe 2 or 3 but certainly not all of mine

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justinh:

and popular.. pfft

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justinh:

bah ubuntu is being lame. it's too big. can't find out why suspend isn't working

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justinh:

taking too long to boot

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justinh:

and this is with upstart

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jams:

man cs3 can really tick me off at times.

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justinh:

haha and in 800x600 some applets don't fit the screen

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justinh:

ok so resume worked that time but the system was locked. WHY?

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BULLE:

justinh: hauppauge seems to be in the beginning of launching big support for CI, via an usb2.0 CI that you can use with many of their new models, dunno if there is much info other then on the german site at thsi time

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justinh:

BULLE: yeah, so USB CI... so it's doing the important stuff in software. yippee

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BULLE:

justinh: dunno, i mean, its a CI, so you still need the CAM

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BULLE:

justinh: i bet they might launch some budget version with software implementation of the big standards aswell, but that is just a speculation

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justinh:

well, best case scenario is their driver'll pass encrippled streams down USB to the CAM & spit them out the other end. not gonna be much use for multirec setups, maybe

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** justinh nukes Gnome **

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BULLE:

justinh: ye, i was hoping it will just feed the encrippled streams to the cam via usb, and then back again, so that it should be useable for myth

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Toxicity999:

Ever become such a perfectionist performance freak you ssh into your tv box and start debootstrapping it to etch?

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** Toxicity999 is doing so now. **

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Toxicity999:

I'm going to have it start myth directly I guess, no *dm bloat.

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gbee:

jams: not to my personal taste, but I can see it working quite well on a TV screen :)

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Toxicity999:

All local options for the users mythfrontned are stored in ~/.mythtv I take it right? Wouldn't want to have to run through Image adjustment hell on the new install.

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gbee:

Toxicity999: yes

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GreyFoxx:

what kind of image adjustments ?

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Toxicity999:

Oh the other night I finally broke down and perfected it with full overscan then adjust mythfrontends display location and range.

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gbee:

but if you want to avoid image pre-scaling, then you'll need to 'touch' all those theme cache files because it works based on last-modified dates

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GreyFoxx:

That's in the database

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gbee:

ahh

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gbee:

nevermind then

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Toxicity999:

Are you sure? That wouldn't make much sense to make it global..

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GreyFoxx:

why would that make it global ?

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gbee:

Toxicity999: ignore what I said, settings, whether local or global are in the database

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GreyFoxx:

It's in the database keyed off the hostname of the machine

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Toxicity999:

Ah true.

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Toxicity999:

there we go, fresh etch debootstrap!

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gbee:

config files like lircrc and temporary files like the caches are in .mythtv as well as any custom themes you might have installed there, but settings are all in the database

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Toxicity999:

right, lirc is independent entirely.

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gbee:

(although for some reason the code to handle settings stored in a text file remains buried in libmyth)

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Toxicity999:

Anyone happen to know off the top of their head, however unlikely =P when the nvidia MX 420 support was killed in the nvidia driver?

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Toxicity999:

sort of hard to find changelogs for them.

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FinnTux:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_x86_96.43.01.html <- they are still maintaining it though

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jams:

fryfrog- something like this for the filament ? http://jmeyer.us/screens/preview-purple2.jpg

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justinh:

hmm I can see me having to do a reinstall

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kslater:

fryfrog: ping

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mzb_d800:

justinh: have you followed the debug method?

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mzb_d800:

that should tell you what's making it lock

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mzb_d800:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend

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Weezey:

Firefox 3 is nice.

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mzb_d800:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3054755#post3054755

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directhex:

cake is nice too

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devsforev:

Good evening everyone... Is there a streight through guide to adding a frontend to an existing frontend/backend only setup?

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mzb_d800:

it should be very straightforward

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Weezey:

devsforev: run mythfrontend, fill in the fields.

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gbee:

devsforev: don't know that there is anything that specific, but it's pretty straight forward, you install mythfrontend on the new machine, fill in the address of the backend and away it goes

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Dibblah:

Database.

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gbee:

gets even easier in trunk, because the frontend will auto-detect the backend

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Weezey:

yeah, it's sexy

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devsforev:

... well not really

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gbee:

Dibblah: doh, yeah, need to set the IP of the database in mysql.txt in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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gbee:

in 0.20 anyway

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gbee:

not in trunk

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Dibblah:

AFAIK, no, it prompts in .20.

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Dibblah:

AFAIR, even.

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devsforev:

'cause I had to set up mySQL to change the bind-address to a non 127.0.0.1 address. Otherwise it will only accept local connections on the backend

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gbee:

Dibblah: been over a year since I used anything that even resembles 0.20 :)

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Dibblah:

But it's the database rather than the backend.

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Dibblah:

Oh. yeah, you also don't need to do that in trunk, allegedly?

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devsforev:

Dibblah: What else do I have to change on the backend for it to work?

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Dibblah:

MasterBackendIP / ...

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devsforev:

Dibblah: is that the only directive?

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Dibblah:

Permissions on the database, if you've not set it open for other hostnames,...

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Dibblah:

No.

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Dibblah:

You need to go into setup, make sure that the IP addresses specified for the MBE and 'this BE' are the externally accessible address of the MBE.

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Dibblah:

ie not 127.0.0.1

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devsforev:

okay, cool

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devsforev:

thank you

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Dibblah:

And set the permissions on the database as I said.

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mzb:

installing phpmyadmin can make it easier to add another use@host, if you prefer not to use command line

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mzb:

(to the database, that is!;)

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devsforev:

any thoughts when I am getting a "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.1.107' (using password: YES)?

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devsforev:

I ran: "grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv";" in hopes that that should fix it, but it hasn't

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Dibblah:

google grant mythconverg

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Dibblah:

Maybe?

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williammanda:

anyone recommend a rf remote to use with mythtv?

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bsdfox__:

williammanda: I am using directv remotes

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jgoo:

Can anyone recommend a 'media center' case for a full size ATX system? Anyone running their machine under their TV, or hidden away is better?

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jgoo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811292002 << Will get something like this

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sxealex:

can anyone help me with my database problem

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FinnTux:

sxealex, I think you have to tell the problem first...

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