Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, November 30th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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clever:

on 1 of my boxes i replace gnome with mythfrontend for a single username

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Bolly:

okies well you guys gave me enough info to continue thanks again and keep up the great work

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purserj:

hmm, getting some dodgy numbers from the Search IMDB functionality

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iamlindoro_:

Hmmm, today's mythweather SVN commits break compiling for me

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iamlindoro_:

14992–4

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iamlindoro_:

Good thing my MythWeather is "look out the window."

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iamlindoro_:

Actually, looks like it's 14994 specifically that broke it

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purserj:

is it just me or is the ubuntu port slightly broken?

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emory:

hi everyone I have a question: everytime I try to open guide in mythtv the entire app crashes...

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Saviq:

emory: and now you need to go look for the logs or mythfrontend's output

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Saviq:

otherwise we couldn't help

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emory:

sure... where do I find those? :)

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clever:

emory: it logs to stdout normaly

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clever:

emory: you can also set it with -l logfilename

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black_Nightmare_:

I'm sure someone here owns a shuttle system or am I somehow wrong? :P

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kormoc:

I do own a shuttle

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clever:

black_Nightmare_: i have a space shuttle in a 3d puzzle:P

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black_Nightmare_:

<was just looking at motherboards as usual and came across shuttle's archive....meh...I want them

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black_Nightmare_:

clever...very funny...you're thinking of the wrong thing :p

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clever:

lol

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black_Nightmare_:

kormoc..nice..you know which model it is?

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clever:

what shuttle are you talking of?:P

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black_Nightmare_:

clever... Shuttle duh ;)

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clever:

which is?

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black_Nightmare_:

these cubic computer systems?

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black_Nightmare_:

;)

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clever:

ah

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clever:

how large of a cube?

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kormoc:

black_Nightmare_, well, mine is a eagletec of some sort, not a shuttle brand, but same form factor and what not

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black_Nightmare_:

oh hm ok

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emory:

only thing I see is a4ed8000-a4f15000 r--p 00000000 0Aborted (core dumped)

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mzb:

shuttle.com

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emory:

after it loads a bunch of fonts

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black_Nightmare_:

well either way this one I kinda like http://eu.shuttle.com/archive/en/sk43g.htm#sk43g :) (check out the motherboard spec too)

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black_Nightmare_:

kinda nicely loaded..if not a bit classic (400mhz athlonxp's)

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clever:

neat

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black_Nightmare_:

kinda not quite sure whats with two serial ports tho but hm at least the parallel is an optional header so less clutter

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emory:

anyone have any ideas whats going on?

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black_Nightmare_:

(I still could just use serial1 for the modem and serial2 to handle the old IR transmitter I use at times here)

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black_Nightmare_:

clever..and re that sk43g .. I always could put a budget agp card in and have fun with total seperate monitor & tv displays hehe :P

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clever:

lol

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black_Nightmare_:

the one pci slot..hmm....

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black_Nightmare_:

probably any used tv tuner card anyway

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clever:

i have a few agp cards

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black_Nightmare_:

(since anything else..even fw is onboard)

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clever:

a couple have tvout

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black_Nightmare_:

clever...well this online store has fx5500 agp for $49.90usd .. not too shabby

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clever:

i got what i think is an s3 agp card with tv out

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clever:

i think its just a bare frame buffer

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black_Nightmare_:

a shuttle system and my wooden oldie and a powerpc desktop ... that might be amusing for a photo take :p

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mzb:

emory: no where near enough detail

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black_Nightmare_:

clever...s3 cards are too easy to find in junk bins ^-^

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emory:

i'm trying to be helpful but I don't get much detail either...

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black_Nightmare_:

ati 128's sometimes show up likewise

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mzb:

run frontend with "-v all"

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clever:

i have a box of 4–5 ati cards

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clever:

identical

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clever:

all PCIe

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clever:

all useless to me:P

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black_Nightmare_:

heh

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BULLE:

clever: what model ?

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clever:

not a single pcie slot in the house

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clever:

using http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/store/motherboards you could make a small metal sheild/case

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clever:

which you could attach to the INSIDE of a tv

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** clever goes to find the ati's **

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emory:

same results

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clever:

ati

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clever:

dvi and vga out

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clever:

p/n 192a3343599 999997 made in china

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clever:

8 identical chips(probly the ram)

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BULLE:

i was more thinking of what chip they use

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BULLE:

should say something on the pcb ?

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clever:

the main one is under a fan/heatsink

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clever:

this one looks like agp to me but i thought it was pcie

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clever:

wait

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clever:

its got the tab at the end like agp

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clever:

but the pins arent dual height like agp

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BULLE:

the tab is just there to keep the card better seated

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BULLE:

afaik

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clever:

yeah but pci and isa cards dont have it:P

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BULLE:

i have "tabs" on my pcie cards, and some plastic thingy on the pcie 16 slut, that connects it

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BULLE:

clever: ye

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clever:

so its probly pcie

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BULLE:

well, the 16x pcie cards i have has the tabs

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BULLE:

eg, graphics cards

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black_Nightmare_:

hm well...just a little question...

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clever:

fan wont come off

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black_Nightmare_:

$43usd+shipping for a retail new agp card verus whatever price+shipping for used geforce2–4's? (now that I found an usa store with nice budget cards)

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black_Nightmare_:

kinda seem a bit tempting but not sure

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clever:

BULLE: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=of . . . ch&meta=

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clever:

thats one of the numbers that does show up in google(off the card)

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clever:

BULLE: seems to be a dell/ati thing

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black_Nightmare_:

no comments I presume? heh ^_^

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kormoc:

black_Nightmare_, look at the card diff, a fx5xxx vs a geforce 2 or 4? go with the fx...

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bsdfox_:

128mb x300

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bsdfox_:

crappy cards but good for pci-e only mobos I guess

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slango:

everytime I attempt to view the channel guide while watching a program, Myth Frontend always crashes

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slango:

any ideas about why?

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black_Nightmare_:

kormoc..sometimes I wonder if its even worth pursing used cards anymore (maybe except in case of special ones such as the 3dfx for glide etc) now that you can get retail new one for like eg only $43

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black_Nightmare_:

you have any thoughts or not really?

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kormoc:

black_Nightmare_, unless it's a great deal, I always buy new

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bsdfox_:

I got a 7800gt w/ vf900 cooler for $90 shipped on ebay

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kormoc:

Warranty > a few bucks

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bsdfox_:

that's a good deal

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black_Nightmare_:

yeah hmm ok...guess maybe I'll email to check about shipping to canada..if so..I might buy it :p

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slango:

kormoc, were you the one that told me that you've used 1394 with a cable box instead of a tuner with Myth?

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black_Nightmare_:

and kormoc..just for the note..its a fx5200 64bit/128mb at $43usd and fx5500 128bit/256mb at $50usd

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm that reminds me...

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black_Nightmare_:

need to check about where tv-out screen runs off from

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watto:

Hey guys, I was here last week and talked to someone about the latest SVN code of mythfrontend segfaulting in my new ubuntu 7.10 install. I just now updated my svn code again and compiled using the debug option and created a gdb log of the error. Does anyone care to take a look at it or should I just create a ticket for it?

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clever:

BULLE: feels like a oem board with prebuilt systems i think

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kormoc:

slango, I told you that one can, aye. xris is the one who uses that setup currently

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slango:

ah

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xris:

and GreyFoxx, and mchou, and a few others

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slango:

I was wondering whether you end up using Myth's guide, or the STB's guide, or if it's Myth's guide with data from the STB...?

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kormoc:

slango, myth's guide + schedules direct or the like

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kormoc:

black_Nightmare_, "tv-out screen runs from"?

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slango:

kormoc, that's what I figured

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xris:

I doubt you can get the guide data out of the STB

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clever:

xris: eit may give some

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xris:

no EIT over firewire

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clever:

xris: also i think firewire lets you use dma to read any part of the ram(unsecure but lets you dysect it)

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clever:

malicious devices could attack the data in ram but could also steal a copy and check it for guide info

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kormoc:

that would depend on the firmware. it's something that wouldn't be from the firewire interface

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

the way it stores the guide data internaly would depend heavily on the firmware version

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slango:

so does anyone have any clue why Myth frontend would crash when I try to view the guide while watching tV?

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slango:

all I get is "Aborted" right in the middle of a line of output to the screen

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slango:

it doesn't even wait for the line to finish

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black_Nightmare_:

sorry had to go to bathroom for a moment...

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black_Nightmare_:

kormoc..I meant like which two monitor port was the tv-out one running off from

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kormoc:

black_Nightmare_, typically it's a entirely separate output, so you could use vga + tvout or dvi + tvout, but not all three at once.

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clever:

the ati cards i have here have vga and dvi

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black_Nightmare_:

ooh so switchable? hm ok thanks

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clever:

and theres a empty spot between them and a missing jumper for pal/ntsc

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clever:

the generic board under all the chips is tvout capable

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black_Nightmare_:

well guess that seals it...going try order the fx5200....especially to have fun with two seperate screens :))

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watto:

So does anyone want to take a look at my gdb log file or should I make a ticket for it?

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm... new graphic card .. upgrade the cpu a bit .. maybe more ram if I feel like it = one complete overhaul

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watto:

Ok, I am going to make a ticket. Thanks for all the help! ;)

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Bolly:

fixed my mounting problem :-)

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** Bolly dances **

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watto:

I made the ticket http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4243

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black_Nightmare_:

well here's an interesting question...

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black_Nightmare_:

whats probably the cheapest (yet common so bit easy to find :p ) pci tv tuner?

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black_Nightmare_:

dead in here now heh

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[R]:

i'm thinking about making a frontend with a fanless via and alot of the references I've found said you need to use xvmc... but i'm mainly going to use mythvideo with xvid, and from what i can tell... xvmc doesnt work with xvid... am i going to be ok?

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iamlindoro:

So long as you are only trying to do sd, you should be fine

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Mybaer:

is it normal for mythtv to eat up 500MB of RAM?

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jandshog:

has anybody used cheifhacker's method of flash streaming in mythweb?

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johndbritton:

Mybaer: my mythbox says 509816k used

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johndbritton:

and its running normally

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Mybaer:

that's about what mine says too, only has 512MB of Ram Total tho. how much does yours have?

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johndbritton:

lemme check

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Mybaer:

but I do get audio buffer underruns.

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Mybaer:

whatever that means.

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johndbritton:

Mem: 515844k total, 509768k used, 6076k free, 764k buffers

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Mybaer:

glitches the video whenever it happens tho.

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GreyFoxx:

Are you sure it's myth and not just the normal linux ay of using all ram as file buffers ?

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johndbritton:

ive got dual hardware encoders

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johndbritton:

and the box only runs mythtv

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johndbritton:

no frontend... just the backend

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GreyFoxx:

a properly running linux box will eventually use most all ram as filebuffers

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GreyFoxx:

that ram is still available when apps request it

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Mybaer:

maybe that's what it's doing then, I dunno.

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johndbritton:

and it runs fine... sometimes the video glitches, but its usually at the beginning of a recording

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johndbritton:

basically the ram is never free'd until its needed

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johndbritton:

on the off chance that whats in ram will be requested again

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Mybaer:

johndbritton: so you just run the backend and mythtv ? you don't run mythfrontend?

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johndbritton:

Mybaer: that is correct, jut the backend on that machine

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johndbritton:

i run the frontend on my mac book pro

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andr3www:

hi

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Mybaer:

ok. so you don't actually watch TV on the box that's running the backend then?

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andr3www:

Does anyone get 'no table' when scanning for channels?

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johndbritton:

the backend has been up for about a month

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andr3www:

no?

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Bolly:

hmm mythfrontend just went black

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Bolly:

console is saying Prefbuffering pause and wait time out 10 secs

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Bolly:

Taking too long to be allowed to read

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Bolly:

Checking to see if there's a new livetv program to switch to

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Bolly:

and it's stuck in an infinite loop

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mzb:

johndbritton: buffers and caches

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mzb:

not related to your glitches

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johndbritton:

its not a big deal to me... i can live with it... just about 2 seconds at the beignning of every recordign

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johndbritton:

maybe 1 second.

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johndbritton:

and then its fine

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johndbritton:

usually intros and adverts anyways

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mzb:

playback the recording on something else to verify

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mzb:

bbl

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Bolly:

it's live tv i'm watching

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Bolly:

hmm

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Bolly:

no i can't read the file on another machine

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Bolly:

codec not found

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Bolly:

but that machine is windows

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leprechau:

rebooter the pooter....

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kdubya:

anyone watching the football game on nfl.com?

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kdubya:

wondering if it possible to fullscreen it in linux

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kdubya:

there is a fullscreen link but clicking it does nothing

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kdubya:

suppose i have to wait for a commercial if anyone is actually watching it

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iamlindoro:

Naw, but it's not possible on Mac OS X either

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iamlindoro:

which sucks

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kdubya:

gay

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kdubya:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

no prob, it's a bummer

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viridari:

remember, the NFL is one of the WORST for wanting to force DRM and shite on consumers

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viridari:

they were one of the entities paying lobbyists to try and keep the broadcast flag alive

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iamlindoro:

lord knows MLB tried to screw all their customers recently

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iamlindoro:

Stupid bastards

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viridari:

there must be some really evil javascript on nfl.com because it is making firefox run like snot uphill

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kdubya:

i love how they punish you for not paying to watch this game by torturing us with these idiots talking

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kdubya:

viridari, im just fine

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viridari:

maybe HandBrakeCLI is doing it...

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kdubya:

26% cpu

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iamlindoro:

I used to work for a company that cut all NFL games into pieces for on-demand services.... got to watch ANY NFL game, any time I wanted...

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kdubya:

with a 4200 X2

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iamlindoro:

and as an extra bonus, two words:

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iamlindoro:

Cheerleader specials

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kdubya:

heh

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viridari:

meh

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viridari:

football might be worth watching if it weren't so safe

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viridari:

so basically make it rugby

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kdubya:

it isnt safe

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kdubya:

they live the thug life and get shot

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kdubya:

cant get more unsafe then that

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viridari:

get rid of the suit of armor, the helmet, and have the same guys on the field for the whole game

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viridari:

well what they do OFF the field is their own dumb fault

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kdubya:

you do realize that these are the fastest, strongest people in the world

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kdubya:

they added the armor because people were dying

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viridari:

these are in no way the fastest people in the world

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viridari:

nor are they the strongest

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kdubya:

larry allen holds the world record for number of reps at 225lbs on the bench

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viridari:

that shows stamina, not strength

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kdubya:

several of these guys could qualify for the olympics

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viridari:

225lbs is not much

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kdubya:

it is if you do it 50 times

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viridari:

that just means he isn't lifting enough weight

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kdubya:

he can do over 700 lbs according to wikipedia

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kdubya:

only people that can do more than that is the round guys with 12 inch arms

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viridari:

if he is trying to build endurance he should be lifting an amount that he can only rep like 20 times max

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kdubya:

12 inch long

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viridari:

Magnús Ver Magnússon could kick his ass

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kdubya:

heh

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iamlindoro:

This is easily the dumbest conversation *ever* in #mythtv-users

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kdubya:

impossible

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iamlindoro:

I know this because I had the same conversation drunk in college

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kdubya:

heh

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viridari:

iamlindoro: hey I didn't start talking about the nfl... that's just the natural progression

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iamlindoro:

Yes, sports talk leads to cock-measuring of relative world-sports-importance

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kdubya:

why does terrel owens catch like a girl like 5% of the time

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iamlindoro:

I hate TO

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iamlindoro:

I hate all those f'in prima donnas

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emory:

Hey can anyone help me with something?

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emory:

I needa get ATI non-proprietary drivers working with TV-OUT

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viridari:

who the hell is terrel owens?

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viridari:

and why should I care?

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kdubya:

i didnt say you should care

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iamlindoro:

I doubt anyone will be able to help with that... Most of us use nVidia because ATI is a nightmare in linux/with Myth

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viridari:

how many programming languages is he proficient in?

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kdubya:

none unless basic-ebonics exists

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emory:

yeah primarily I'm NVidia, but every NVidia card I've had in this system has cooked itself... so I switched to ATI and I've gotten a good year and a half out of it

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emory:

:/

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emory:

alrighty well I guess its back too google!

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emory:

thanks anyways

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iamlindoro:

heh

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kdubya:

you used it for a whole year without video output?

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kdubya:

that is damn impressive

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emory:

well...

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emory:

not exactly

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kdubya:

heh

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emory:

apperantly the proprietary drivers break MythTV's Video Guide

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emory:

so I switched to the OS ones... and now they work on VGA monitors ... but not on my TV

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emory:

so I was better off with the proprietary drivers but not by a whole lot

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kdubya:

do people actually USE the OS drivers?

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kdubya:

everytime i install linux the first thing i do is install the proprietary video drivers

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viridari:

kdubya: with a via chipset, yes, but not with nvidia/ati

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emory:

I don't usually but I figured with ATI open-spec'n recently I figured I'd give it a try

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kdubya:

i dont think any of that has trickled down to actual drivers yet

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emory:

i figured not...

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emory:

and it really doesn't look like it now

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emory:

alrighty well ttyl

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Mybaer:

what are my options for software mpeg-2 decoding in linux?

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Mybaer:

or, if I somehow manage to find a hardware based mpeg-2 decoder card to put into my box, will it output to my video card? or only through it's own TV output deal?

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[R]:

nvidia cards do mpeg2

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[R]:

i dont know if linux supports mpeg2 cards

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iamlindoro:

hmmmmmmm

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[R]:

any video app in linux can do software decoding

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iamlindoro:

Used to support Dxr3, but that was a LONG time ago

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Mybaer:

i have a nvidia FX5500 that's what I use to spit it out to the TV now.

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iamlindoro:

Better just to use XVMC and do it with an nvidia card

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iamlindoro:

Better still, just do it in software

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iamlindoro:

and have enough processor

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[R]:

i'm looking into getting a VIA... but am worried about video playback

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[R]:

anyone used one?

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iamlindoro:

I know justinh has... he hates it

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iamlindoro:

And HD is practically a lost cause... not impossible, just requires so much tweaking that it's not worth it to him

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[R]:

i would get an appletv... but its just not worth the hassle

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leprechau:

brb...

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jandshog:

has anybody used cheifhacker's method of flash streaming in mythweb?

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smellyfeet:

howdy all...I am new to MythTV, so I apologize if my questions are old. I have read the Faqs and most the installation documentation. I was talking to Tivo about a week ago and the rep was saying that I would have to go to my cable company and get a tuner card (2 actually) to plug into the TIVO box to get the digital/record the digital channels and showtime. I can't find this mentioned in the MythTV docs....is this supporte

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[R]:

they probalby said a cablecard

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[R]:

and no, you can't use it with myth

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[R]:

best you can do is rent your cable companies digital box

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[R]:

and hook up the svideo output to the computer

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** nero longs for the day when he can record HD content from his cable box.. sniff sniff.. **

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[R]:

nero: 2050

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[R]:

i.e. never gonna happen

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nero:

[R] I know.. its a sad state..

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smellyfeet:

how come? never gonna happen?

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[R]:

this is so stupid... why do none of these shuttle pcs have dvi

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iamlindoro:

or get HD via QAM, or get it via firewire on your STB

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[R]:

iamlindoro: both of which in most locales won't get you the channels you pay for

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iamlindoro:

and no, linux will never have cablecard support

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nero:

iamlindoro- firewire gets me 2 channels..

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iamlindoro:

yes, most, but not all, and you will get at least network TV.

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iamlindoro:

at least via QAM

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iamlindoro:

nero, shame

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** nero could care less about network TV.. I just want my Discovery, HDTV and foodnetwork HD.. :( **

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smellyfeet:

lol

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iamlindoro:

ah, then you're at the mercy of your cableco, sadly

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nero:

yup..

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nero:

oh well.. I still use MythTV for pictures, and as a front end to launch xine..

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smellyfeet:

i feel your pain...the AS 8300 they gave me drops programs all the time...So I started looking at Tivo, but everything Tivo is encrypted. So I started looking at MythTV. I wonder why cablecards won't be supported.....?

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nero:

smellyfeet, because then the media cartels would have to give up 100% control over the media.. and they wont do that.

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iamlindoro:

because they're backed/developed by companies that are intent on DRM.. it's their whole reason for existing... and they will never permit linux support

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S10LoLo:

im having some trouble getting xbmxmythtv to connect to my backend database keep getting the error "Failed to connect to mysql db Conn". I can connect from my other frontends just fine, just not the xbox. Is it not compatible with mythbuntu 7.10 yet?

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smellyfeet:

true...very sad....but true

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nero:

for some stupid reason, I hold out hope that one day, it'll happen.. even though I know it never will.

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smellyfeet:

is this one of those things that couldn't just magically show up in denmark or holland or something..... :) ;)

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iamlindoro:

unlikely

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iamlindoro:

but nothing's impossible

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iamlindoro:

many things are illegal, however

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nero:

there are ways around it.. pirates still get content up.. but DRM was never about preventing piracy.

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smellyfeet:

lets all get together and ship a fully loaded tivo to holland....LOL

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smellyfeet:

is there a place to read up on these cablecards

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kdubya:

i just started torrenting everything the companies wont let me record

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kdubya:

and i have a cable box plugged in solely for espn hd

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smellyfeet:

kdubya, lol

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smellyfeet:

have you seen this: http://www.edbott.com/mediacenter/archives/it . . . ter-in-2006/

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nero:

smellyfeet, yup.. Windows MCE ONLY.

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nero:

and MCE DRMs the media so much, its almost laughable.

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nero:

almost so bad, if you sneeze in the same room, it changes the state of the computer enough that none of your media works any more..

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smellyfeet:

true...I saw that...but usually if it shows up on a pc, and linux likes it, someone figures it out

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smellyfeet:

lol

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kdubya:

you have to buy a complete system certified for cablecard

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kdubya:

you cant just buy the cablecard tuner and plug it in

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smellyfeet:

no way

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kdubya:

yes

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smellyfeet:

wow....

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kdubya:

last i checked the cheapest one was ~$1200

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kdubya:

with only one tuner

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nero:

kdubya, wow.. they've come down..

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kdubya:

and it is $300 for a second

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smellyfeet:

ouch

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nero:

when they first came out, it was something like a $2500 entry fee.

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kdubya:

nero, i think HP is selling them the cheapest

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smellyfeet:

wow..

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kdubya:

they were $2500 only when those specialty HTPC companies were selling them

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smellyfeet:

through the nose man....

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nero:

kdubya, yup.. at least there are some of the bigger companies selling them..

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kdubya:

i want to know who is buying those HTPCs from nevius and crap

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nero:

I'd actually be perfectly happy with my Verizon supplied DVR.. if it could record more than 10 hours of HD..

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kdubya:

they are so absurdly expensive

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nero:

probably the same type who would buy that $25k kaledescape thing.

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jams:

hey nero

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nero:

jams! :)

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kdubya:

get a room

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nero:

whats goin on?

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jams:

not a whole lot, was just playing with my mac

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nero:

nice.. sitting here on my mac as well..

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nero:

I broke my foot on Monday, so I am a bit laid up.. :(

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jams:

found a way to alt+mouse to move windows with a product called zoom

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nero:

nice.. you running Leo yet?

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jams:

it only works on osx windowx X11 is not supported

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jams:

which one is leopard?

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jams:

i'm on 10.4.11

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nero:

10.5

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jams:

then no

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nero:

its pretty nice. I've been liking it so far.

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jams:

how long you laid up?

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jams:

well if it has better x11/osx integration i might give it a go.

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nero:

it was a full break of my little toe, plus a closed fracture of the outside bone of my foot.. so probably for a while..

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nero:

Leopards X11 is pretty broken right now, so I'd wait if thats important to you.

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jams:

youch..what did you kick?

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jams:

yeah x11 is fairly important to me

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nero:

jams- a door.. :/

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nero:

the dog was getting into the garbage.. I went running to the kitchen to stop him.. All of me made it past the door frame with the exception of my left little toe. :(

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jams:

i bet there was cursing involved with that one

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nero:

haha.. a fluid stream of profanity that I am quite proud of ;)

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nero:

words I didnt even realize I knew.

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smellyfeet:

okay....check this out about the cable cards

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nero:

I think I even made up a few new vile profanities.

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jams:

well hopefully the pain pills do the job.

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nero:

they are working OK.. Doped up on Percocet right now..

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nero:

was hoping it would get me tired enough to sleep tonight.. but no go so far.

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jams:

heh

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nero:

I've had very broken sleep since monday.. every time I move.. I wake up.. it kinda sucks

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jams:

blessing in disguise, now you have time to work on your programs!

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nero:

haha

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nero:

see, the pain killers are pretty good at making me code like crap..

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nero:

was trying to code a simple OpenMPI interface the other day.. couldn't figure it out.. head is foggy as can be..

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smellyfeet:

they use a pcmcia interface... the new Open Cable cable cards can do Basic & Digital Cable Channels, Premium Channels: HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, Starz!, and TMC, High Definition (HD) Channels, Two-Way Programming and Services, On Demand such as Movies On Demand, Premiums On Demand, Interactive Program Guide, Interactive and Enhanced TV services, such as Games, Instant News and More, and finally Switched Digital Channels

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nero:

smellyfeet, yup.. thats a cable card.

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jams:

i can imagine, last week i was also on pain pills for shingles.

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jams:

perhaps you can finish that theme of yours, that doens't involve coding.

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smellyfeet:

your mac has a pcmcia card in it...Apple uses them to add wireless support

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nero:

ack.. from what I hear, shingles are about as fun as riding a roller coaster in sub-zero weather.

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jams:

or just lay there and recover.

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jams:

yeah it's not fun

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smellyfeet:

ouch shingles hurts bad

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nero:

pcmcia is just an interface. you cant just plug a cable card into a computer and magically get decryption keys.

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jams:

nero- is the dog still around?

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smellyfeet:

my brother just got over them....he was saying just shoot me

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nero:

jams yes he is..

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nero:

I took most of my anger out on the door.. the dog is too cute.

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jams:

hehe just curious.

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nero:

How could I be mad at a face like that: http://www.dobossy.com/gallery/main.php?g2_vi . . . 2_itemId=166

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jams:

nice action shot

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nero:

hehe.. thanks.

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nero:

he's a crazy little dog.

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mzb:

I've managed to get the alpha version of my "Random Autoplay" version of mythburn (mytharchive) to work

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smellyfeet:

i know that, but cable labs has their OpenCable Specifications CableCARD Interface 2.0 Specification available online

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jams:

well gotta go, but good seeing you again.

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nero:

good to see you too jams.

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nero:

smellyfeet, when you get the cable card working in your machine, let us know.. we'd LOVE to hear about it.. ;)

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clever[rev]:

all my recordings on 1 FE are playing with a high pitch

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clever[rev]:

the sample rate seems to be off

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smellyfeet:

LOL...thanks for the vote of confidence

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nero:

smellyfeet, trust me.. there are a lot of very smart linux developers.. and if there was even the most remote of chances, you'd be hearing about it..

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mzb:

for those interested in the idea of having random play for (say) music video dvd's

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mzb:

(aka party dvd's?)

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nero:

mzb nice! :)

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clever[rev]:

isnt exactly a myth problem

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clever[rev]:

even mplayer on normal avi files is messed up

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** Dr_willis perks up? Go on? this sounds familer. **

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iamlindoro:

Holy god

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clever[rev]:

sounds like the chip monks are on tv:P

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** clever[rev] goes to test another fe **

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smellyfeet:

check out: http://www.cablelabs.com/specifications/OC-SP . . . 1-070615.pdf reminds me of some specs we used to implement at work....LOL

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clever[rev]:

works fine elsewhere

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clever[rev]:

reloading the snd_maestro3 module seems to have fixed it

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lightning:

hello, I just signed up to schedulesdirect. I'm using the digital brighthouse entry and have all of the channels listed, however when I ran mythfilldatabase, only channels 1 thru 99 were updated and anything higher is "unknown". any ideas?

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Dr_willis:

Lucky. ALL mine are 'unknown' :)

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lightning:

mythfilldatabae --do-channel-update seemed to fix it

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lightning:

what would cause mythtv to be off on the timezone?

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lightning:

I thought I setup my timezone proper on the computer

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lightning:

but it is 5 hours off (so mythtv is looking at UTC time for me)

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mzb:

mythtv or mythweb?

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lightning:

mythtv

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lightning:

havent even messed with mythweb

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lightning:

pull up the guide, it is sitting at 5:00am (it is 12:29am here), and all recordings are also off 5 hours

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lightning:

not sure where to look. kde's clock says I have the timezone as est

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[R]:

what does the date program say

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lightning:

5:31 utc

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[R]:

well thats your problem

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lightning:

ok, so where does it get the timezone info from being kde is showing 12:31?

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[R]:

its your dist

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[R]:

kde has its own timezone setting i think

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lightning:

k, looking up info on debian for timezone

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lightning:

looks like it is fixed, /etc/localtime didnt exist and needed a link

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stiev3:

"-su: myth_prime: Permission denied"... how does one attack this? is that saying that permission to use that script is denied to root?

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mindframe_:

how can i fix my resolution? i've got a 1080i 16:9 TV and the edges of the screen are cut off of the screen.

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kezza491:

Hi

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kezza491:

I have sound working on my linux but not on my mythtv how do i fix this?

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stiev3:

should myth be able to power on and off my HD receiver?

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kezza491:

Dose mythtv take the setting been used in lircrc to mplayer?

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clever[rev]:

mythtv i beleive has its own lirc config file which links lirc buttons to keys on the keyboard

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kezza491:

ahh k so where is mplayers config for lircrc?

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Anduin:

kezza491: ~/.lircrc (most people just make one and symling ~/.lircrc to ~/.mythtv/lircrc)

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kezza491:

ok

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kezza491:

How do make the mythtv backend start up automaticly

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justinh:

er.. use an init script

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justinh:

if you installed mythtv from packages those should have set one up for you already

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kezza491:

how do you set that up

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kezza491:

nahh i compiled mine

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justinh:

there are example init scripts in the contrib directory

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justinh:

what you need to do depends on which distro you run

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kezza491:

ahh k

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justinh:

e.g. on ubuntu you make a /etc/init.d/scriptname script and add it to rc.d with 'update-rc.d scriptname default'

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kezza491:

mandriva?

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justinh:

no idea about mandriva

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kezza491:

ok

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justinh:

looks like http://groundstate.ca/c3mythtv has a mythbackend init script for mandriva

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kezza491:

yeah i am following those instructions the site where you download the scripts is down...

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justinh:

ouchy

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justinh:

init scripts are pretty much all alike

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justinh:

if you have the brain to build mythtv yourself it shouldn't be too hard to adapt an example init script to work

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justinh:

it helps to know a little bit about the distro you use though

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kezza491:

ok

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matthew:

im running mythtv on a laptop with intel graphics and widescreen, the gui displays fine but video is realyl squashed, google didnt turn up anything, any ideas?

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directhex|bsp:

you're definitely configured to use the exact widescreen resolution, right?

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matthew:

yes

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matthew:

i think it may be related to this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+sour . . . /+bug/151311

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matthew:

which means im pretty stuffed

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matthew:

it works (very slowly) if i choose a lower res for video

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stuarta:

well if you specifiy the resolutions for the monitor it doesn't need to use the DDC values IIRC

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DustyBin:

are there compile options to install the backend only?

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directhex|bsp:

no

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directhex|bsp:

none that work

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

ok, what would i do if i just wanted to install the frontend ?

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directhex|bsp:

install your distribution's frontend package

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DustyBin:

what about if im compiling it myself?

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DustyBin:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-mythfrontend ?

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GreyFoxx:

that has been disabled in at least svn

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GreyFoxx:

and it saves you pretty much nothing

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justinh:

probably about 6–10 meg

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DustyBin:

GreyFoxx: this is how im going to use virtualiztion with vserver when i reinstall my home server: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2411

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, that much just for the mythbackend executable?

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directhex|bsp:

bloody qt

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: not just the backend

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GreyFoxx:

the mythbackend binary is 1 meg, the bulk is in the shared libraries

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justinh:

anyway it isn't heavy at all IMHO

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** directhex|bsp rewrites myth using cairo and gtk# and c# **

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GreyFoxx:

140k is mythtv-setup

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justinh:

aww but gtk apps all look like poo

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GreyFoxx:

so you save a total of 1.2meg by not installing the "backend"

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DustyBin:

if you install distribution packages, the backends get started automatically, you dont really want that to happen if you just need the frontend

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, cairo allows for abstract drawing

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GreyFoxx:

then you disable the init script

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directhex|bsp:

DustyBin, if you install distribution packages, you just install the frontend package

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DustyBin:

ok

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directhex|bsp:

if you're compiling yourself, nothing magically autostarts

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DustyBin:

yep

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DustyBin:

true

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DustyBin:

i think my NICS are here :D

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, or gl rather than cairo, if preferred. you can write gl in gtk apps

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DustyBin:

ill let you know how i get on with running mythtv in vserver

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: like Elisa does? so why does that suck so bad still?

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, specific goals, none of which involve not sucking

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, i suppose i just prefer c# as a language

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justinh:

I'd prefer just to be able to think hard & have something write the app :D

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directhex|bsp:

ah, you'd be wanting lolcode.net!

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justinh:

no, that doesn't come with any electronic headgear

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justinh:

lolcode. PFFFFFFFFFT. how very 2.0

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justinh:

hmm looks like the only way I'm gonna find out if postie has been today is by going home to check it myself

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** directhex|bsp got scammed out of an online purchase once :( **

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directhex|bsp:

bah, i plashed pot noodle on myself :(

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justinh:

it's not the money at risk that bothers me. it's the fact I ordered stuff & it didn't come yet. it's also the fact the seller was being ****ing ignorant, and the fact that in this time I could already have bought other (the same) items

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justinh:

I've got some plan B action going on now, juust in case

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directhex|bsp:

tactical nuke?

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justinh:

that needs doing to warrington anyway, but no

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psm321:

hi

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psm321:

is there any way to rebuild the recordedseek table? (i accidentally deleted mine)

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stuarta:

mythcommflag --rebuild ?

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psm321:

recordedseek is just commercial data? i thought it was also data for just normal ff/rew within a file

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psm321:

given how huge it was

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DustyBin:

i think we need to speak to richard isaacs and see what he has got to say about the matter :P

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stuarta:

it's so myth can seek easily within the recording

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psm321:

stuarta: sso what happens when i dont have the file? more cpu each time i try to seek?

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psm321:

stuarta: and does mythcommflag --rebuild indeed rebuild it?

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stuarta:

hang on, did you delete the whole recordedseek table?

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stuarta:

or is it just missing the data for a recording?

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psm321:

yes, accidentally deleted the whole thing (an optimize was hung because it ran out of disk space, so i deleted what i thought was the temporary table it builds — recordedseek.TMD, but the next time i ran mysqlrepair it deleted recordedseek.MYD too)

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stuarta:

oops

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psm321:

yeah

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psm321:

i'm still able to play recordings with no apparent problem somehow

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stuarta:

you'll have to recreate the table

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psm321:

with mythcommflag --rebuild?

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lulzmstr:

no backups?

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stuarta:

no you need the table defined in the database first

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stuarta:

you using 0.20-fixes?

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psm321:

sorry, might have missed replies (looks like there was a split?)

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justinh:

you could say there was a slight tear

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justinh:

like size 8 leggings on Lisa Riley :P

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** justinh apologies to anybody eating their lunch right now **

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stuarta:

psm321: http://rafb.net/p/nYpAwC66.html

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psm321:

it thinks the table is already there (because the .MYI and .frm files are still there?)

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stuarta:

ah, desc recordedseek

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stuarta:

if that comes back with the table definition

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justinh:

er.. wait a sec you deleted files, not just cleared the table? oh man

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psm321:

ERROR 144 (HY000): Table './mythconverg/recordedseek' is marked as crashed and last (automatic?) repair failed

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justinh:

I think I might've done a similar thing once

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stuarta:

rerun mysqlcheck

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psm321:

justinh: i did not delete the .MYD file myself

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psm321:

i deleted a .TMD file that i thought was temporary

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justinh:

ah oh well nm

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psm321:

and the next time i ran mysqlrepair, the .MYD file was gone

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stuarta:

it's deleting all the data from the tables, akin to surgery with a chainsaw

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psm321:

stuarta: mysqlcheck (and mysqlrepair) dont even show recordedseek anymore

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stuarta:

okay, then do "drop table recordedseek" before rerunning that create

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psm321:

ok, i now have a blank recordedseek table that mysqlcheck and mysqlrepair are happy with

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stuarta:

so desc recordedseek works?

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psm321:

(i didnt do a drop though, just moved the remaining files out of the way)

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psm321:

yes

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stuarta:

k

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stuarta:

so now start a mythcommflag --rebuild --all and go have lunch

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directhex|bsp:

stop messing about with mysql files manually. it makes baby sheep cry.

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** stuarta decides to go for lunch **

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psm321:

how resource intensive is that? should i try importing my backup first to save time or just let it run? (i have a lot of recordings — around 10,000)

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stuarta:

backup?

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psm321:

directhex|bsp: ok, sorry i wont do it anymore :)

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stuarta:

just restore it, much faster.

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psm321:

i have a backup from 9-12–2007

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psm321:

so i'd still need to rebuild newer files

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psm321:

ok so grep out all the INSERT INTO recordedseek lines from the .sql file and then run them?

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stuarta:

okay, you can always restore the backup to an alternate database and then get mysql to pull the data across

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psm321:

hmm actually i just realized i'm kind of screwed either way though i'll get back more by restoring the backup

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stuarta:

just burn cpu

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stuarta:

might take "a while" (TM)

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** stuarta actually goes to luch **

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stuarta:

lunch even

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psm321:

because i've messed with things in another way too... burning files to dvd without deleting them from the db (the idea is that i put in the dvd when i want to watch them and then

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psm321:

link them in or use storage groups)

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stuarta:

ug

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psm321:

so if i restore from backup i'll get msot of those back

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psm321:

and then just rebuild the rest when i try to watch them?

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stuarta:

you best bet is to restore the backup to a 2nd database, and copy the recorded seek across then rebuild just the new recordings

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psm321:

ok

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psm321:

i have to go to work now, i'll ask how to do the copy tonight :)

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psm321:

thanks for all the help guys!

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stuarta:

by copy i mean use mysql to select & insert it

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psm321:

ok, i'll try to figure that out tonight

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psm321:

and ask in here if i cant :)

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psm321:

thanks again!

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justinh:

could be time to start RTFMing on intel tv out

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justinh:

so if I use that 915resolution thing and want to use a custom res like 720x576 it's a simple matter of running it to overrwrite a value I don't want, then specify that 'mode' in my xorg.conf.. that's how it seems from looking at the doc

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mzb_d800:

I have two tuners, the preferred tuner gives all channels and the other only one (long story). How can I be sure (in advance) that possibly conflicting recording schedules are resolved correctly?

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mzb_d800:

eg. prog1 at 8pm on tuner1, and prog2 at 9pm on tuner2 ?

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directhex|bsp:

mzb_d800, make the other tuner preferred?

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seth|web:

here is what I do, I have the second tuner set to record a specific series of shows, when I set up the recording schedule, I use the scheduling options to specifically use tuner 2

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mzb_d800:

oops, wrong way arounf

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mzb_d800:

eg. prog1 at 8pm on tuner2, and prog2 at 9pm on tuner1 ?

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... but shouldn't the resolver work out that prog2 is only available on tuner1, and so record prog1 on tuner2?

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directhex|bsp:

mzb_d800, it should, yes. but i've found sometimes it really REALLY likes using the preferred tuner. depends on whether it's aware of any reruns at a later date, typically

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justinh:

eew 915resolution has a geoshitties webpage? good gawd!

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mzb_d800:

no reruns here ;)

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GreyFoxx:

mzb: If yuo want to "know" ahead of time, go into mythweb and look at Upcoming recordings

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GreyFoxx:

It will show the capture card the recoridng will happen on

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GreyFoxx:

assuming you labeled them

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mzb_d800:

that's what I'm looking at ..

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mzb_d800:

err

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directhex|bsp:

justdave, 915resolution is deprecated

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, ^^

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: as in, included in xorg now?

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, the "intel" driver is capable of modesetting itself, yes

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directhex|bsp:

i810 continues to use only the bios mode list

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justinh:

cool. so one less thing to worry about then

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mzb_d800:

I have labelled them (differently), however upcoming shows channels on the same tuner ... which should be a conflict

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mzb_d800:

just to confuse that further ... I'm using multirec with a dvb tuner

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, try "man intel"

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mzb_d800:

the programmes are on different transports, btw

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: can't on this box. it's only running dapper schlapper

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GreyFoxx:

mzb: If you have 2 tuners, then you can label them differently to KNOW which once is being used

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mzb_d800:

I have

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mzb_d800:

tuner1 is a dvb tuner

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justinh:

heh try differentiating between 3 tuners, all the same type

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GreyFoxx:

Then your videosource must show that channel as being on both cards

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: I do. 3 pvr cards all with different labels. So I can tell which one is which in upcoming recordings :)

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directhex|bsp:

The 830M and newer driver supports the following outputs through RandR 1.2:

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directhex|bsp:

TV Integrated TV output

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GreyFoxx:

Eastlink-1, Eastlink-2, Eastlink-3 :)

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mzb_d800:

"tuner2" is actually the svideo input on a bttv card (connected to a dvb box locked on a channel ... literally)

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: I have encoder 1, encoder 2 & encoder 7. dunno which is in which slot though

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh, I put a tag on the cables going into the back of each of them

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GreyFoxx:

so if a recording fails I can check that specific one

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justinh:

I know which dvb device they are but not what order udev enumerates them

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mzb_d800:

so TDT (in this case) is the common station, and the only common thing between TDT on tuner1 and s-video on "tuner2" is the xmlid

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mzb_d800:

prog1 does show prog2 under "possible conflicts" (on the 1st programme), but doesn't seem to do anything about it

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justinh:

possible conflicts are just that.. _possible_

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justinh:

it's very cautious when mythweb does that & I like it

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... just seems like an error in logic

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: looks like 915resolution is still needed in edgy

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directhex|bsp:

http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_pac . . . -video-intel

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mzb_d800:

perhaps it had already resolved it ... specifying the preferred input makes no difference ... still indicates the same channel

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mzb_d800:

(different names between inputs)

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: I got all confuzzled now. I think I'll just have to cross that bridge when I come to it

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, the "intel" driver isn't in the main distro until gutsy – it's in universe frmo edgy onwards though

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directhex|bsp:

i810 is still the "stable" driver

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justinh:

ah

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justinh:

well, I've long been used to installing external (bad, non-free! EVIL!) drivers since the year dot anyway ;)

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justinh:

free as in beer is free enough for me

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directhex|bsp:

how about free as in tibet? :)

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justinh:

thats how free I'd rather some themes be, but let's not get me on anybody else's ignore list today eh

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... no .. checking the "record" table it's definitely a conflict

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mzb_d800:

I'm not convinced that this is my ignorance (yet)

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mzb_d800:

it appears to be an unresolved conflict

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mzb_d800:

prog1 overlaps prog2, but a) prog1 is a lower priority b) prog1 is available on both inputs

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mzb_d800:

so to my mind, prog1 should resolve to input2

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directhex|bsp:

the show has exactly the same title on both tuners, and you're configured to do "at any time on any channel"?

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directhex|bsp:

you implied the channel names differed between inputs, so of course if you don't set an "any channel" mode of some kind, it won't resolve between the tuners

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mzb_d800:

that seems fine ... but even if I specify preferred input it doesn't change the chanid

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mzb_d800:

directhex: yes, same show on both channels (they use the same grabber and same xmltvid)

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mzb_d800:

initially I had it set to any+any

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mzb_d800:

has conflict

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mzb_d800:

then I set to input2 (for prog1) ... still no change ... which tends to suggest to me there's something missing in my understanding :)

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kslater:

mzb_d800: I've been thinking about looking into coding a "schedule explain" type of feature for this sort of thing

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kslater:

unfortunately, it's stuck in the 'thinking' stage

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mzb_d800:

kslater: sounds like an idea ... I'd like to know how it came to this conclusion

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mzb_d800:

:) ... ah well ... sounds like a nice idea

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kslater:

I have one show that ends up being scheduled to record on both of my tuners and I'd like to know why.

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... no, I don't get it ... >1am ... might have to leave that one for the dreams to solve

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mzb_d800:

(one of my many "creative problem solving techniques;)

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clever[rev]:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AS [Radeon 9550]

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clever[rev]:

does xvmc work on that card?

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directhex|bsp:

ick, ati

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directhex|bsp:

good luck

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directhex|bsp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#ATI_Radeon

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clever[rev]:

yeah ick is right:P

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justinh:

xvmc doesn't work on ati

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clever[rev]:

getting tvout on my ati laptop was a pita

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justinh:

it barely works on anything tbh

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directhex|bsp:

ati don't care about linux support

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clever[rev]:

lol

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: aww but they promised to release some links to some hints about um... things & stuff :)

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clever[rev]:

ati drivers are pretty crapy

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clever[rev]:

i think my nvidia box supports xvmc

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clever[rev]:

and it could use the reduced load of the gpu handling video

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clever[rev]:

but my videos arent mpeg2

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, lack of sensible driver support has had notiveable impact on their server chip sales

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mzb_d800:

>=gf4

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justinh:

the best xvmc (which isn't much saying much) is on via gear

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justinh:

best, as in 'greatest cpu saving'

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kslater:

clever[rev]: I have a FE at home with a Radeon 350 (I think) that's running under Ubuntu 7.10. It has a dual core cpu so maybe I don't use xvmc on it, but it works fine

[14:13:53]

clever[rev]:

i know the tivo has alot of extra chips to offload the video encoding/decoding

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clever[rev]:

would it be posible to make a xvmc driver for that chip in the tivo

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clever[rev]:

so myth could run on the tivo

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justinh:

clever[rev]: they're not 'extra chips' as such. they're proper mpeg decoders

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clever[rev]:

yeah thats what i mean

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directhex|bsp:

clever[rev], it would be equally possible, and less shit, to make a driver to do it with the GPU

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justinh:

you'd need to make myth work on a framebuffer in feckall ram first

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clever[rev]:

but if you use the proper mpeg decoder in the box it owuld seem better

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justinh:

but MUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

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clever[rev]:

yeah myth itself needs to run on the main ram/cpu

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justinh:

bye bye commflagging. bye bye transcoding

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justinh:

bye bye PiP

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clever[rev]:

you can allways do that on a dedicated backend desktop in a closet

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clever[rev]:

out of sight

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justinh:

and then the point of running mythtv on a tivo would be ?

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clever[rev]:

using it just as a fe

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clever[rev]:

posibly a slave to record

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justinh:

lame

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clever[rev]:

using the msntv box would probly be easyer

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justinh:

if you're gonna shove a big noisy ugly box in a cupboard anyway, just run cables to the TV

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clever[rev]:

i beleive it allready works with myth

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clever[rev]:

thats nearly what im doing allready:P

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clever[rev]:

i ran cables from the desktop pile on 1 side of the room all the way over to the tv

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justinh:

I hear there's a wristwatch that runs linux.. hey I WONDER...

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clever[rev]:

and split the video/aud thru a hole in the floor to the basement(along with a usb extension for keyboard)

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clever[rev]:

but it feels odd to be typing away infront of a tv and not hearing a comp anywhere near

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justinh:

why's bloody tivo seen as such a good thing anyway? the truth about embedded hardware is it's chock-full of limitations

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clever[rev]:

even with the cpu fan in my laptop off i can hear the high freq in the cpu area

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directhex|bsp:

that's the hard disk

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clever[rev]:

no

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clever[rev]:

the harddisk is a whiring

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justinh:

clever[rev]: go to a few live music gigs :P

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clever[rev]:

and i can still hear the high freq when the hdd is sleeping

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justinh:

(not the swinging hippy acoustic kind)

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clever[rev]:

the high freq also changes based on cpu load

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directhex|bsp:

THAT's a dodgy AC inverter, then

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clever[rev]:

i can tell by the sound if the cpu is under load

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directhex|bsp:

possibly issues with the vreg on the motherboard

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justinh:

or it's the Vcore switcher

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justinh:

my desktop machine at work does it

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clever[rev]:

but recently ive been running john and other progs that eat a inf ammount of cpu

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clever[rev]:

so the fans allways been running

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clever[rev]:

2 transcodes going on the laptop atm

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clever[rev]:

and this irc client

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clever[rev]:

and im not even in the same room

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clever[rev]:

for several months the laptop was in the furnace room out of sight:P

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clever[rev]:

but ive brought it upstairs and stuck it on the kvm(psysicaly ontop of myth's tuner)

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directhex|bsp:

definitely a voltage reg issue. a neighbor's laprop does it, my old myth box did it

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directhex|bsp:

it's the sound made by electronic components beating themselves to death :)

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clever[rev]:

lol

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mzb_d800:

I'd be inclined to believe that it's a problem

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clever[rev]:

crt based displays also make a similar noise but its more constant

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justinh:

transformer resonance.. loose winding here or there

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mzb_d800:

but I'd also suggest that you shouldn't judge others by your own limitations ;)

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justinh:

a PSU which varies switching freq. according to load to be more efficient

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clever[rev]:

justinh: no transformers in the laptop itself(psu brick in the cord)

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justinh:

clever[rev]: wrong!

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clever[rev]:

but there are smaller coils on the motherboard

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justinh:

transformer/inductor

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directhex|bsp:

transducer!

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clever[rev]:

the laptop takes dc in

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directhex|bsp:

and there's the inverter used by the backlight

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directhex|bsp:

inverters are terrible for this kind of thing

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clever[rev]:

the lcd panel is 5 feet away from the laptop

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justinh:

clever[rev]: inductors used in the switch mode PSU for Vcore

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clever[rev]:

and the inverter board is part of it(and detached)

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clever[rev]:

cant be the inverter in the lcd

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justinh:

all motherboards step the PSU voltage down to Vcore locally these days

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mzb_d800:

eg: I had a hearing test in a sound-proof room with close-ear headphones ... and over the traffic outside I could still hear the computer turning the tones on and off (even with the volume at 0)

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clever[rev]:

ah

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clever[rev]:

(lcd is cracked also)

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clever[rev]:

lol

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clever[rev]:

my mp3 player is a bit odd with its volume control

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justinh:

mzb_d800: you've never been a nightclub DJ then I'll bet.. or if so, not for long ;)

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clever[rev]:

in a quite room volume 0 and 1 have a major diff

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justinh:

god bless digital crap with not enough bits ;)

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clever[rev]:

and if i listen real close i can still hear stuff when the digital tuner is on mute(i think even on locked out channels)

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mzb_d800:

I used to work at an entertainment centre, and also at a radio station (which involved going to nightclubs a lot)

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mzb_d800:

a lot of noisy jobs

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justinh:

mzb_d800: did you wear ear defenders all the time?

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clever[rev]:

i can also hear the 'cpu' in my mp3 player

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mzb_d800:

no

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justinh:

heh amazing. I lost over 17k a long time ago

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mzb_d800:

I can hear problems with a tv that can't be detected with a cro

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clever[rev]:

lol

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clever[rev]:

its easy to tell if theres static on the tube from the sound

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mzb_d800:

and I've had that ability for >30 yrs

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clever[rev]:

the steady freq turns into a randomly bouncing high freq noise

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mzb_d800:

no ... Dad designed and built 1st colour tv in the southern hemisphere (afaik)

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mzb_d800:

I learned a lot about high freq noise at an early age

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clever[rev]:

using the 'beep' program(which controls the motherboard speaker)

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clever[rev]:

i setup the system to be able to emit 10khz beeps for certain events

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clever[rev]:

less anoying then the beep i was using

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clever[rev]:

and bearly noticable sometimes

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justinh:

well, that's it. getting out of this wanger competition

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clever[rev]:

lol

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** clever[rev] goes off to find food **

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mzb_d800:

gee ... didn't hear that coming ;)

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mzb_d800:

dog boy out

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Jiten_:

Hello, Is it possible to use opengl instead of xv to show the image on the screen when watching live tv? Radeon 1250 with ati's binary drivers doesn't support xv but mplayer with -vo gl works just fine.

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Jiten_:

it seems to fallback on X shared memory since xv isn't supported.

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Dibblah:

Jiten_: With current SVN, yes.

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clever[rev]:

i just had an idea

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clever[rev]:

could you abuse the 3d processing within the GPU(thru opengl) to do some of the mpeg4 decoding?

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Dibblah:

Shockingly enough, many people have had that idea already.

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Dibblah:

NVidia's PureVideo, etc.

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Dibblah:

Implement the decoding as shaders.

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mindframe-:

anyone have a recommendation for finding a proper modeline for a LG 32FS4D ? I have no idea on technical specifications for this TV and can't find anything anywhere about it.

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mindframe-:

my image is 'overscanned' i guess

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clever[rev]:

Dibblah: would it work on any card with hardware opengl though

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Dibblah:

Yes and no.

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clever[rev]:

and can myth use it?:P

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Dibblah:

Support for GLSL is not universally available.

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clever[rev]:

glsl?

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Dibblah:

Open GL Shader Language.

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clever[rev]:

ahhh

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clever[rev]:

its basicaly a language which explains how to do some 3d processing?

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clever[rev]:

(interpreted by gpu firmware i guessing)

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Dibblah:

Not just 3d. GPGPU is possible.

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clever[rev]:

yeah but its basicaly a programing language designed arround making 3d stuff faster right?

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Dibblah:

... A lot more useful on PCIe cards, too – Due to it having return bandwidth to main memory.

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Jiten_:

Dibblah: how does the stability of SVN version compare to the current release?

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clever[rev]:

no pcie slots here(but several cards i cant use)

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Dibblah:

Jiten_: Usually, quite well. There's a small issue at the moment with UPNP.

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Dibblah:

As always, BACK UP YOUR DATABASE FIRST. ;)

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clever[rev]:

ahhh gpgpu, ive seen that being usedto do processing in the gpu of computers for certain tasks(spread over tons of computers)

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Jiten_:

There is no database to speak about yet.

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clever[rev]:

Dibblah: i have a slight problem with upnp that ive been ignoring

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clever[rev]:

if i run 2 fe's on the same box the 2nd fails to find the be thru upnp(and seems to ignore the fact mysql.txt is set right)

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Dibblah:

Someone was doing some work with GPGPU implementation for (ISTR) scaling in Myth.

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clever[rev]:

so it thinks theres no backends

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Dibblah:

Yeah. Look at the log.

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Dibblah:

It opens the same port for each instance.

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clever[rev]:

yeah i guessed it was a port bind error

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clever[rev]:

and a bad choice for what to do when you cant bind

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Jiten_:

Though, I suppose it's likely useful to have some backups of the database. Is there any framework ready for automated backups?

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clever[rev]:

why try to use upnp if mysql.txt is allready correct

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Dibblah:

Jiten_: No.

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clever[rev]:

im guessing maybe the glsl is compiled to match the gpu arch on the fly maybe?

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clever[rev]:

(by the video driver/firmware)

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Dibblah:

It's a shader language.

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Dibblah:

On the same order as Java bytecode.

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clever[rev]:

yeah but how exactly does it run

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clever[rev]:

yeah thats what i was thinking at first

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Dibblah:

As far as I understand it, anyway.

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clever[rev]:

a madeup set of assembly instructions for a virtual 'cpu' in the gpu

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clever[rev]:

posibly being converted on the fly to local assembly that fits the gpu

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Code-rr:

Is there any way to have EIT information stick with some channels, and schedule direct for others?

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Code-rr:

what is the "EIT SOURCE" option when setting schedule direct

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black_Nightmare_:

hey :p

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clever[rev]:

Dibblah: ahhh, from the page im reading you have to pass the glsl code in string form to one of the opengl api functions

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clever[rev]:

Dibblah: so it isnt compiled within your program i beleive

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clever[rev]:

probly built on the fly at runtime

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clever[rev]:

card drivers may compile to the proper arch and stuff

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directhex|bsp:

assuming all cards have comparable shader models

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directhex|bsp:

which they don't, by and large

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clever[rev]:

it could convert the code to less optimized instructions on the gpu

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clever[rev]:

aslong as it gets the job done at the best speed the gpu can handle

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clever[rev]:

3d games would just redraw constantly in a inf loop id think

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directhex|bsp:

it's long been the case that major games need loads of different versions of most shader effects

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directhex|bsp:

targeted for the differing architectures of different cards

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clever[rev]:

yeah since its a string it could easily keep several sets of code in txt files

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clever[rev]:

and load the best one for the card

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directhex|bsp:

we're talking hundreds

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clever[rev]:

but a generic one would probly work on all cards(and not perform as best)

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clever[rev]:

like 286 code on a 586

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directhex|bsp:

not all cards have shader supoprt at all

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directhex|bsp:

vertex or pixel or unified shader?

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clever[rev]:

those would just do it in the main cpu id think

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directhex|bsp:

can i do branching across streams?

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clever[rev]:

i recently played doom on the pc again

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directhex|bsp:

how many concurrent streams can i process?

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clever[rev]:

with the default rendering withthe main cpu

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clever[rev]:

it totaly lacked shades and small pixels

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directhex|bsp:

which doom?

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clever[rev]:

old old one i beleive

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clever[rev]:

then i was messing with the vid settings

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directhex|bsp:

doom 1 has no graphics card support. it's 100% cpu based

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directhex|bsp:

pure old-fashioned bit blitting

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clever[rev]:

turned opengl on by mistake

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clever[rev]:

whoa did ti ever made a diff

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clever[rev]:

suddenly it was able to have shades of colors and lighting and dark rooms

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clever[rev]:

and the pixels wherent the size of your fist anymore

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directhex|bsp:

the doom engine supports neither. you're using a third-party engine, which has texture filtering supoprt

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** clever[rev] goes to find it **

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directhex|bsp:

there are a lot of doom engines. most support gl after-effects

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directhex|bsp:

but this is entirely irrelevant on the basis of GPGPU work

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directhex|bsp:

and certainly the topic of shaders

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directhex|bsp:

texture filtering has been in opengl since day 1

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clever[rev]:

i made my own 3d rendering code once

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clever[rev]:

but i didnt get arround to adding textures

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clever[rev]:

it basicaly drew 3d points on a 2d screen(wireframe or solid color per face)

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clever[rev]:

qbasic:P

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directhex|bsp:

textures are for people stuck in the 90s anyway

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clever[rev]:

10–30 seconds/frame on 50mhz

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directhex|bsp:

these days it's about normal & diffusion mapping

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directhex|bsp:

mayube megatexturing

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clever[rev]:

not shure where the game went

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clever[rev]:

i thought it was in the games folder in the root of one of my drives

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clever[rev]:

but i cant even see that games folder

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** clever[rev] checks the ntfs under my dual boot **

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Sadarax:

!rules

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clever[rev]:

:( ntfstools arent in yet

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directhex|bsp:

ntfstools?

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directhex|bsp:

how retro

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clever[rev]:

lol

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clever[rev]:

just neded ntfsls

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directhex|bsp:

also retro

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clever[rev]:

dont see the games folder in this root either

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clever[rev]:

where did it go...

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** clever[rev] checks google for screens **

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clever[rev]:

ahhh

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clever[rev]:

wasnt doom

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clever[rev]:

it was quake i think

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clever[rev]:

http://www.tdubel.com/pelit/epaviralliset/kuvat/quake2x.jpg this is exactly it

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directhex|bsp:

quake 2?

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clever[rev]:

1 or 2

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clever[rev]:

not shure

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directhex|bsp:

quake 1 has no native gl support

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clever[rev]:

but that image above it it for shure

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directhex|bsp:

quake 2 has it, and yes, it' s just bog standard texture filtering

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directhex|bsp:

nothing even remotely related to GLSL, opengl shaders, or GPGPU

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clever[rev]:

but its a massive diference compared to the default rendering

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clever[rev]:

and a massive increase in frame rate

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directhex|bsp:

yes, it is. but it's also completely off the original topic

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Sadarax:

Can anyone give me some recommends for a good Capture Card for Digital Cable & Analog TV? (Something that can capture at high quality, and its relatively simple to install for MythTV).

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clever[rev]:

about the only thing its related to is the fact it has shading:P

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directhex|bsp:

opengl in hardware is faster and more capable than opengl in hardware. not news

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clever[rev]:

x>x ?

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directhex|bsp:

no, quake2 doesn't support opengl shaders. "shading" is something specific, which isn't shown in that screenshot

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clever[rev]:

hard to tell which engine the shot is using

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directhex|bsp:

gah, hardware > software

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clever[rev]:

yeah

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directhex|bsp:

clever[rev], gl.

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clever[rev]:

i sometimes make similar typos

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clever[rev]:

with the older engine all rooms had 1 flat lighting over everything

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clever[rev]:

i could see clear as day in any room

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clever[rev]:

once i turned the gl on rooms actualy got dark

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clever[rev]:

and the lighting was more real

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directhex|bsp:

Sadarax, the hauppauge pvr sseries is the usual choice for analog capture

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mindframe-:

anyone have a recommendation for finding a proper modeline for a LG 32FS4D ? I have no idea on technical specifications for this TV and can't find anything anywhere about it. The edges of my screen are cut off.

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Sadarax:

directhex|bsp, yeah. I already have one and I like it. But I'm buying another capture card and figured I should also get ready for digital.

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directhex|bsp:

clever[rev], you're talking about a ten year old game. "real" is pushing it

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directhex|bsp:

Sadarax, things change geographically

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clever[rev]:

directhex|bsp: way more real then the engine i was used to using in that game:P

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clever[rev]:

mindframe-: its relatively simple to just set mythtv to not use the edges that are cut off if you just want to work arround the overscan

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mindframe-:

how do i do that?

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clever[rev]:

its under the appearance section

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mindframe-:

cool

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clever[rev]:

you can set an offset for hor far from the top/left corner it works at and the width/height

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mindframe-:

i was wondering about that... didn't see anything in mcc though

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directhex|bsp:

mindframe-, it's a 1366×768 set

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mindframe-:

oooh

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clever[rev]:

if your unshure how much of an effect the changes are having you could just *10 the value:P

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mindframe-:

thanks... may i ask where you found that directhex|bsp ?

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mindframe-:

somehow i got the aussie model of that tv... in the US

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mindframe-:

directhex|bsp, any idea on vert / horiz refresh ranges?

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defaultro:

hey folks, is there a tool that we can add something to a file that when it gets opened, it will get corrupted?

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defaultro:

somewhat similar to stegano

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directhex|bsp:

mindframe-, hang on, i'm confusing it with another model. HD CRT?

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mindframe-:

yes.

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mindframe-:

i think it's very similar to the 30FS4d

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mindframe-:

in fact... it was sold as a 30FS4D

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directhex|bsp:

mindframe-, there's no specific resolution. you just have to mess with myth's overscan settings

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mindframe-:

alright so finding the magic modeline won't fix this?

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directhex|bsp:

nope. there's no magic

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directhex|bsp:

analog tech, analog results

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clever[rev]:

i had trouble with ati and tvout

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clever[rev]:

the tv couldnt get a lock on the image so it was constantly jumpinh

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clever[rev]:

i suspected the wrong refresh rates and stuff

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clever[rev]:

so i got a scope out ready to see what freq's i realy got from the mode line

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mindframe-:

i may move my girlfriends olevia lcd into the living room and move this beast to the bedroom

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clever[rev]:

and before even editing the modeline i fixed it by chance

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clever[rev]:

have to tweak atitvout start X and change res in the proper combination

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clever[rev]:

while standing on 1 hand

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clever[rev]:

before it gives a useable tvout signal

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mindframe-:

haha

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mindframe-:

i was playing with nvidia settings last night

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clever[rev]:

and after all that the brightness is white washed

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clever[rev]:

nvidia tvout was too easy:P

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clever[rev]:

clone the driver/display/screen section

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clever[rev]:

tweak there id's and references to eachother

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mindframe-:

i'm using onboard hdmi from this abit m2hd

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clever[rev]:

add a 'screen 0' and 'screen 1' to both driver sections

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clever[rev]:

reference the second screen in server layout

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clever[rev]:

and your done:P

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clever[rev]:

purely via xorg.conf

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mindframe-:

i might end up getting a separate video card for it... never had problems with that tv using the tv out on the card in my desktop[

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clever[rev]:

ati uses a cli took(atitvout) which interfaces directly with the card(even works in text mode)

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mindframe-:

nice

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clever[rev]:

also text mode tvout works better then graphic tv out

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clever[rev]:

need to dance just right to get the registers set right both both to work together

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clever[rev]:

the VGA signal is also often scrambled till i hit fn+crt/lcd

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clever[rev]:

(atitvout doesnt seem able to fix that)

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mindframe-:

weak...

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mindframe-:

i almost bought a 690G board for this setup

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clever[rev]:

also the lcd signal is currently scrambled too(probly sticking the wrong panel on the laptop)

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clever[rev]:

the system booted a month ago without any panel connected

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clever[rev]:

then i shove a random panel on and try and use it and get portions of the screen on the wrong side

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clever[rev]:

was using it like a headless system

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Jiten_:

does compiling the SVN with compile-type=debug make it much slower than with compile-type=release?

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clever[rev]:

debug compile makes larger output files, that alone would slow the processing of them some

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clever[rev]:

actualy making the debug info may also slow it more

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Jiten_:

Well, I'm asking how much it'll slow it :)

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clever[rev]:

dont know

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clever[rev]:

ive mostly been compilign with debug on so i cant compare to normal

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clever[rev]:

and i have ccache to cheat:P

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Jiten_:

ccache?

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clever[rev]:

ccache will cache the compiler output

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Jiten_:

would you think it's usable in normal use when compiled in debug mode?

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clever[rev]:

and if you try to redo the exact same compile agin it will just use the cache

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clever[rev]:

im running a debug build on all my myth boxes

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clever[rev]:

works just fine

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Jiten_:

ok, then I guess I'll just compile it debug since I'm compiling it.

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cmoates:

Jiten_, I'd imagine it's going to depend on several factors, but I'd expect it's at most maybe 10–15% slower

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mindframe-:

so when the cable companies switch to HD broadcasting... what kind of tuners will we need to receive this signal?

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cmoates:

That said, once you get everything working as you expect, it's not a big deal to recompile without --debug for your "final build"

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cmoates:

mindframe-, they already do HD broadcasting

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cmoates:

in many areas

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cmoates:

not sure what you mean

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mindframe-:

yeah i know... but isn't there some date set where they HAVE to broadcast nothing but HD ?

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cmoates:

no

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cmoates:

That only affects people who put out airwaves

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cmoates:

And even then

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mindframe-:

oh i see

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cmoates:

It's no more analog

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cmoates:

Not no more SD

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cmoates:

The cable companies (for their own reasons) want to get rid of analog, so they will probably pretend like it's their deadline too

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cmoates:

But they don't have a hard date like the locals do

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mindframe-:

any good ota antennas that work in myth besides the hdhomerun?

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cmoates:

I have a pchdtv 5500 which works well, but the hdhr is a snap

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cmoates:

And they both will do OTA and unencrypted QAM (digital cable)

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mindframe-:

i just don't want that ugly bastard sitting in my media center

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mindframe-:

ah nice

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cmoates:

So don't put it in your media center

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mindframe-:

cox has some unencrypted stuff in my area

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cmoates:

It hooks up to your myth box via ethernet

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cmoates:

So it can go in the basement, attic, whereever

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cmoates:

Personally, mine is in the basement with the rest of my server stuff

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cmoates:

Many times you will get unencrypted HD local channels on the cable, same as you'd get OTA, without the antenna

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cmoates:

I've heard that it's required by the FCC to do that, but I'm not positive

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mindframe-:

i'd attempt the attic... but way too hot here in the summer

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mindframe-:

no basements here either

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cmoates:

Well, pick any out of the way place

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cmoates:

It beats a PCI slot and it has 2 tuners instead of 1

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cmoates:

Don't get me wrong, you can still go with a PCI card, they do work

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cmoates:

But I have both and the HDHR is, IMO, a nice product that "just works"

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mindframe-:

i guess i'll find out if the local ota channels are broadcast over the coax

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mindframe-:

if so then i see no need for two tuners

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cmoates:

Why not?

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cmoates:

No need to record 2 shows at once?

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fysa:

you'll still want two tuners, especially if you have a wife.

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cmoates:

exactly

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mindframe-:

hrmm you have a point...

[16:46:38]

cmoates:

Her shows are ALWAYS on when I want to record something

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fysa:

sucks to flip through channels and have myth steal the only tuner

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cmoates:

It's like she's in cahoots with the TV stations

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fysa:

haha

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mindframe-:

i guess hdhomerun it is... i only have two pci slots and i don't want them taken by two 5500's

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cmoates:

afaik mythic.tv has a good price on the hdhr

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fysa:

HDHR really is a .. homerun

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cmoates:

if you find better, let me know, 'cause I'm thinking about adding another hdhr to my setup

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anykey_:

Anyone using a SkyStar2 HD with mythtv?

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Jiten_:

is the frontend from svn compatible with 0.20.2 backend?

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anykey_:

no

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Jiten_:

looks like the database upgrade functionality in svn version forgot to add a column 'quicktune' somewhere.

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clever[rev]:

Jiten_: i have such a column in my cardinput table

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iamlindoro_:

I also, and I've never put it there manually

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clever[rev]:

| quicktune | tinyint(4) | NO | | 0 | |

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cmoates:

I think it'd be far more common a problem if they forgot. More likely something odd happened to your particular setup

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clever[rev]:

the only struct changes i did to my mythconverg are index's

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Jiten_:

well, nothing important in the db, I'll just drop it and create new one I guess.

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lwizardl:

Hi

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gbee:

check dbcheck.cpp in libs/libmythtv/, if the upgrade statement is truely missing (which seems unlikely) then submit a bug report

[18:04:17]

lwizardl:

can mythtv play hddvd/bluray discs if your system has the drives?

[18:04:31]

iamlindoro_:

in short, no

[18:04:38]

iamlindoro_:

in long... yes, indirectly

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lwizardl:

iamlindoro, was that to me?

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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lwizardl:

k

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iamlindoro_:

hang on

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lwizardl:

what media player supports them ?

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lwizardl:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

There is alinux player that will handle them? I didn't think there was

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iamlindoro_:

OK, can't play straight off the disk, first off, you need to find a way to rip them

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iamlindoro_:

Secondly, TrueHD/MLP audio tracks need a mplayer SVN from the last three days, E-AC3 tracks need a patch to be manually applied

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iamlindoro_:

So basically, you can find a way to rip/decrypt the disks to disk, then patch/compile a very recent mplayer, you can play the raw files, with some difficulty.

[18:07:30]

iamlindoro_:

That's the long answer. I know because it's what I do. :)

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GreyFoxx:

Icky :)

[18:07:48]

iamlindoro_:

greyfoxx: yeah, only with the caveats above. It's kinda a big exercise

[18:08:04]

GreyFoxx:

I want to jump into blueray and such, but wont until I canplay fully and esaily under linux

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lwizardl:

iamlindoro, then your the person I need to talk with :) I already have made my rips (raw files) and have them stored on a usb drive

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iamlindoro_:

liwizardl, http://kurtnoise.free.fr/index.php?dir=misc/

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lwizardl:

i have the xbox360 hddvd drive and know how to use that, and i have linux on my ps3 so that shouldn't be hard to figure out how to do the same

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iamlindoro_:

get the patch for ffmpeg svn 11045, check out that revision, patch it, compile it.

[18:09:46]

iamlindoro_:

Then make a second copy of the patch, remove the first section referring to ffmpeg.c

[18:09:56]

iamlindoro_:

Use that patch to patch mplayer svn

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iamlindoro_:

And play according to this thread: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=129050

[18:10:58]

iamlindoro_:

That's about it

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lwizardl:

now i'm glad i joined this channel today i've been trying to ffound info on this all day

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lwizardl:

:)

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lwizardl:

thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro_:

no prob, good luck

[18:12:57]

Jiten_:

weird, mythtv-setup is not creating any tables now that I dropped the database and reran sudo mysql < mc.sql

[18:13:43]

Jiten_:

it does go through the database upgrade procedure though

[18:14:37]

iamlindoro_:

greyfoxx: the big bummer about playing the HD-DVD rips is that you have to specify a custom player for *each* one specifying the demuxer and aid... It's a pain even though they look fantastic.

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Icky

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GreyFoxx:

It's too bad. I have money, and I want to buy their product, but I refuse to be limited to non linux players

[18:17:49]

GreyFoxx:

they wont see a dime from it L:/

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, not currently friendly... Mlp/TrueHD stuff just got committed to ffmpeg SVN two days ago, and E-AC3 is on the way in the next few weeks... autodetect of that stuff should be working in the next month or two, I would think

[18:18:17]

iamlindoro_:

Yeah, sorta back to where we were with DVD in the late 90s

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directhex:

clever, iamlindoro_ still waiting for libdeaacs!

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iamlindoro_:

hrm?

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clever[rev]:

?

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directhex:

bah, the clever, is left over from this morning

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iamlindoro_:

I'm confused

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directhex:

anyway, still waiting for an easy "just put disc in drive, no ripping required" library

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah

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iamlindoro_:

slysoft has one

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iamlindoro_:

windows, of course...

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iamlindoro_:

but It's how I rip mine... then I dump them onto the myth box

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clever[rev]:

lol

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fryfrog:

anyone ever use an exotic network file system like "coda"?

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directhex:

that's not exotic!

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directhex:

lustre is exotic!

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fryfrog:

so you've used it? :)

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directhex:

erm, no, they haven't come in to turn the lustre servers on yet

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fryfrog:

coda, i mean :p

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directhex:

nope

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Lightning:

uick Q.

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Lightning:

err, Quick Q. Parental Controls. Is there a way to assign a level to a whole folder for the media area?

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Lightning:

the idea being that I can then limit what the kids can access without having to remember to assign a level for each video

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mindframe-:

are the frontends accessing the data via SMB?

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fryfrog:

i think you set a default level to recordings/ videos

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fryfrog:

then you change what you want that you need to

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Lightning:

all local drives

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fryfrog:

i don't think it matters

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fryfrog:

you just set the default to "no kids"

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Lightning:

ya, i was just hoping i could say "everything in this folder is level 2", movies we dont want the kids to watch but we can easily access

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fryfrog:

then you selectivly set some recordings/videos to "kids"

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fryfrog:

OHHH

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fryfrog:

i get it

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fryfrog:

but i haven't used that part of myth, so i'm not sure, sorry :(

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MaxeyPad_:

I'm looking for a hardware recipe guide for a mythtv box. I want to implement an HTPC case with it and have the ability to play back full quality blu-ray rips, hdtv, MKV and all other high def / high quality formats. I'm also planning on capturing HD signals from a satellite. Does anyone know where I can find such a recipe for a hardware setup that will work extremely well. Im mainly looking for cpu, memory, video card, capture

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mindframe-:

MaxeyPad,

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mindframe-:

you...

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mindframe-:

mark maxey?

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MaxeyPad:

I guess what i'm trying to say is, where can I find a hardware setup that will ABSOLUTELY work

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MaxeyPad:

uhh yeh :)

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mindframe-:

hahaha

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mindframe-:

<- kom21

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MaxeyPad:

NO FUCKING WAY

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mindframe-:

yes way

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mindframe-:

man i saw you name on some nmap mailing list the other day and was trying to contact you

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MaxeyPad:

dude

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MaxeyPad:

thats crazy

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MaxeyPad:

pm

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MaxeyPad:

like

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MaxeyPad:

thats incredible

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MaxeyPad:

I can't believe

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FinnTux:

hello

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MaxeyPad:

i asked about you not long ago sir on forums.planetice.net I recommend you go post there immediately.

[20:20:29]

FinnTux:

just noteiced mythtv can record IPTV. is there an example m3u file anywhere?

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FinnTux:

nevermind. found one

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iamlindoro_:

lightning, It's not perfect or anything, but I wrote a patch that's on the dev list that will adjust the imdb script and mythvideo so that it auto-sets parental levels by MPAA rating. Not exactly what you're looking for, but would save you the effort of ever manually setting parental level again.

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jams:

iamlindoro- does it have a default value in case it can't find a mpaa rating?

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, sets it to 1

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iamlindoro_:

just like videomanager does currently

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jams:

thats cool. somehow i think the video's he is talking about will not have a mpaa raing

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, probably not.

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iamlindoro_:

I also need to edit the patch again to add the TV-PG, TV-MA, etc ratings for TV shows. It's really just a tiny little thing, but it was the only way *I* would ever use parental ratings, if Myth did it for me :)

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jams:

sounds good. hopefully anduin will approve that patch

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, make it customisable, e.g. use BBFC ratings!

[20:58:17]

iamlindoro_:

He mentioned that it could use a toggle in mythvideo settings-- which I completely agree with-- just beyond my capabilities

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Anduin:

jams: It will make it in (eventually)

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: since the mappings of ratings to parental settings are in imdb.pl, should be simple enough for anyone to modify for any ratings system/if they disagree with my settings

[20:59:24]

directhex:

tv shows? in mythvideo? who has the time? browsing anything but movies is an absolute PITA

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iamlindoro_:

I archive mine there... Browsing more than a few Tv Shows in Tv is a PITA to me :)

[21:00:34]

directhex:

the imdb script utterly fails to do wnything worthwhile with shows, and setting metadata is horrid given myth's flat view of all videos

[21:00:47]

iamlindoro_:

Oh, agreed on that point, for sure

[21:01:06]

iamlindoro_:

I leave my TV stuff without metadata, just organize by folder

[21:01:29]

iamlindoro_:

And set the thumbnails with a script

[21:01:32]

directhex:

organising by folder only works with one of the three view modes in mythvideo though, iirc

[21:01:46]

iamlindoro_:

Oh, dunno.. I use Gallery

[21:01:54]

iamlindoro_:

But that makes sense

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iamlindoro_:

I've only seen those ratings on TV movies... trying to remember what it was in particular... Farscape: Peacekeeper Wars, maybe

[21:05:13]

directhex:

i was something with an interesting implementation. think it was vista, actually

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directhex:

all games get their ratings downloaded from the web when you install them, where the rating ssystem used is selectable (e.g. PEGI, BBFC, CERO, ESRB). there's an internal 9-point scale which the above schemes map to, and you just pick a point scale

[21:06:39]

iamlindoro_:

Someone point me at a good site with any sort of EU-wide (or, if not that, UK) ratings system so that I can add that for matches?

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directhex:

there isn't an EU-wide one for movies/tv

[21:07:45]

iamlindoro_:

Ah, well I'll just add UK then, I suppose

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iamlindoro_:

bbfc?

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directhex:

the bbfc, yeah

[21:08:48]

directhex:

there are 8 ratings, from Uc (Universal, especially suitable for children, i.e. pre-school shows) to R18 (Restricted 18, i.e. only for sale in licensed sex shops)

[21:08:59]

directhex:

explanations on the top-right of http://www.bbfc.co.uk/

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iamlindoro_:

Cool, I'm adding Tv now so I'll add BBFC too

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directhex:

imdb includes BBFC support

[21:09:48]

iamlindoro_:

yeah, I see that

[21:10:34]

iamlindoro_:

Looks like it's the UK:'s

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directhex:

yep

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iamlindoro_:

Bummer is with only four rating settings, always end up using some judgment and mashing a few together

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directhex:

why are there only 4?

[21:13:41]

iamlindoro_:

Hey, I just work here, there were four when I got here.

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directhex:

surely it's an abstract concept anyway, so it should be up to the end user how fine-grained to be?

[21:13:53]

directhex:

i know that's how it is, i'm wondering why it is

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prg3:

Anyone here using an appletv with mythtv?

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gbee:

new preview release, includes mythvideo now – http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html#Mythvideo

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iamlindoro_:

Lookin good

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directhex:

gbee, i quite like that

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iamlindoro_:

Gbee, have you experimented at all with a non-black backdrop for the unselected stuff in mythvideo, to keep it consistent with the rest of the theme? ie, a muted version of the "select" but still with the reflective effect?

[21:50:02]

directhex:

gbee, if i may, the perspective on the "watch tv" icon seems to clash with the perspective on other icons like manage recordings

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iamlindoro_:

Even better, is it possible to order the graphics in the theme such that you chould put a semi-transparent graphic *over* the unselected posters to just just them the appearance of reflection but make appear "within" the button

[21:54:02]

Lightning:

iamlindoro_: not sure imdb would find all of it hence thinking an easy way of "oh, you are level 2? here are a few extra folders/areas to display"/etc vs making sure to set the video setting proper and potentially have an empty "folder" at the lower level

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iamlindoro_:

lightning, understood, just thought I would offer as a potential assist in having to set them manually every time

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Lightning:

i appreciate it :)

[21:55:12]

Lightning:

if i wasnt so busy i'd dig into the code and make a patch. but between work and my other side project (gamecube emulation) i dont have time :P

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iamlindoro_:

lightning, what's your emu project?

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gbee:

directhex: icons will probably get tweaked

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Lightning:

gekko, www.gekko-emu.com

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directhex:

gbee, i suppose the watch recordings icon gives me fond memories of the beos icon theme :)

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Lightning:

trying to outperform dolphin. slowed down recently due to the other 2 devs being in school (i'm the only professional programmer on the team)

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: I'll continue to play with the look of things until the very last minute, so we'll see what happens ;)

[21:56:38]

iamlindoro_:

lightning, very cool... I'm tired of playing my gamecube stuff on Wii, would love to get it into mythgame

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Lightning:

it will be awhile. dolphin requires 64bit to even get some games to run at normal speed and even then not everything works

[21:57:20]

Lightning:

we are trying to outdo that, obviously. That and dolphin is windows only. Ours is generic enough and already have a version running under linux

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, I understand the nature of that kind of thing... long slow process

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Lightning:

take hardware, throw info at it, simulate result :P

[21:58:40]

Lightning:

either have the offical docs, that still dont tell you everything (example, there is absolutely nothing on the sound chip which is a programmable sound chip to loop sounds on) or you have public info that is even less helpful

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Lightning:

but makes a fun challenge, we already have some stuff working :)

[21:59:19]

iamlindoro_:

Well, and emu projects seem to be more averse to sharing info/source in general, too

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Lightning:

if you know the devs :) it has helped, already found flaws that dolphin has and we've fixed in ours

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iamlindoro_:

nice. I'll look forward to it... someday ;)

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directhex:

there's still something about real hardware that's nice

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Lightning:

it will be awhile

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Lightning:

The Wii will be a fun challenge :P

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Lightning:

take the gamecube emu code, make a few mods, Wii should then run

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directhex:

i use emulation for a retrospective look at games i missed out on – usually things that never came to europe

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: not possible to layer a second image over the poster, those images are hardcoded unfortunately

[22:01:46]

iamlindoro_:

controllers seem to be well understood already

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iamlindoro_:

gbee, shame

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gbee:

maybe once we've done the mythui port

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directhex:

directhex@mortos:~$ du -hs /media/despair/Games/ROMs/

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directhex:

8.4G /media/despair/Games/ROMs/

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directhex:

after all these years, i've only played maybe 1 ROM all the way through without owning the real game

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directhex:

it's too easy to just play a little of this & a little of that, without really getting into a game properly

[22:03:25]

directhex:

anyway, i await the recursion of playing virtual console games via a wii emulator ;)

[22:03:34]

iamlindoro_:

All the games I got lost in as a kid... the memories are fonder than playing them through now. Like Bionic commando :)

[22:03:55]

iamlindoro_:

I start it and go... I spent weeks and weeks on THIS?

[22:04:11]

directhex:

http://www.bioniccommando.com/

[22:04:30]

iamlindoro_:

this the sequel?

[22:04:37]

iamlindoro_:

Looks like ass so far :)

[22:06:44]

jams:

directhex- best game ever!

[22:06:53]

iamlindoro_:

His new grapple looks like this guy: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xm . . . wtree112.xml

[22:08:25]

directhex:

gaming's not getting any worse, despite how i cynically felt a couple of years ago

[22:08:29]

directhex:

there's a lot of great content still

[22:08:57]

iamlindoro_:

Yeah... Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed were both Fantastic... and Bioshock... and Deus Ex 3 is coming...

[22:10:18]

gbee:

gave up on games two/three years ago, after playing Operation Flashpoint back in 2001 everything that game after it seemed inferior and I lost interest

[22:10:25]

directhex:

okami is the last game i'd highlight as an all-time classic

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gbee:

s/game/came/

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directhex:

the kind of game that redefines what gaming is

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iamlindoro_:

Haven't had a chance to play it but I hear it's fantastic

[22:11:12]

iamlindoro_:

I imagine it's similar in classicness/quality to ICO/Shadow of the Colossus? Those were excellent

[22:11:21]

directhex:

i've been playing for a very long time, so i certainly have my preferences with regard to genre etc. but okami's my favourite for the last few years

[22:12:19]

directhex:

i never bought ico, and SotC bored me after the first couple of colossi. okami's miles deeper, shadow's mostly surface fluff. pretty surface fluff, but in the end it's an action platformer without any rewards or enemies

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iamlindoro_:

ICO is the better one

[22:12:41]

iamlindoro_:

SotC is mostly a payoff for ICO fans

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directhex:

prince of persia sands of time, that's a fabulous game too

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iamlindoro_:

Haven't played one since the original on floppy

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directhex:

generally, i can only point to one or two "classic" games a year, and not all of those warrant "all time classic" status

[22:14:00]

directhex:

but it should come as no surprise that i have a supercomputer named SHODAN, and infrastructure machines named daedalus, helios & icarus

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iamlindoro_:

Hehe, then you played Bioshock, I presume

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directhex:

it's a little shallow

[22:14:55]

directhex:

it's more of an FPS plus, than an RPG minus

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directhex:

it's okay, i couldn't get completely absorbed in it though. not sure why

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iamlindoro_:

For me, was worth it for the art/design. Fantastic visuals

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directhex:

yeah, the art deco is a welcome change from the norm

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directhex:

but for artistic direction, i'm hugely in the NPR camp

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directhex:

so i'd cite games like okami or rez as "good looking" more than games like bioshock

[22:16:18]

directhex:

the uncanny valley claims no prisoners

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iamlindoro_:

Heh

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directhex:

i'm dying to get my hands on Rez HD when it hits XBLA next year

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iamlindoro_:

Well regardless, at least halfway decent gaming still lives... after the death of my beloved adventure genre

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directhex:

ooh, Portal, that's a good fun one too. brilliant, if brief

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iamlindoro_:

*very* true

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directhex:

iamlindoro, sam & max? season 2 just started...

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, I actually should be ashamed of myself, I still have to play through season 1

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directhex:

episode 4 is phenomenal, episode 3 is probably the low point

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directhex:

but it's well worth owning

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, I got it all via steam

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iamlindoro_:

just haven't sat down to play

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iamlindoro_:

Anyone know a NAS in the < $1000 level that can beat the Buffalo on Price per GB

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CyberKnet:

Has anyone else noticed this gem? http://www.gmc.co.kr/products/itemView_eng.ph . . . amp;itemID=4

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iamlindoro_:

Very nice

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CyberKnet:

that's what I thought.

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CyberKnet:

Too bad NewEgg doesn't carry it... but at least pcAlchemy does.

[22:54:45]

CyberKnet:

$229 though... ouch.

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iamlindoro_:

Both my frontends are also backends with lots of tuners, so I need full ATX, that's the only dealbreaker for me

[22:55:13]

iamlindoro_:

Heh, I paid 199 for my Zalman HD 160, so it's not out of the park, I guess

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CyberKnet:

My back end is my front end, this would be a new front end.

[22:55:47]

CyberKnet:

I only paid $99 for my Sonata

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iamlindoro_:

Also, shame the VFD is only visible when you flip down the panel

[22:56:21]

iamlindoro_:

Ah, wait, looks like there is a little window

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iamlindoro_:

Nope. There's not. Sucky

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directhex:

hm, that was... abrupt...

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CyberKnet:

No... there's a window

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directhex:

shenmue 2 certainly doesn't do much in the way of typing up loose ends

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CyberKnet:

PC-Alchemy's photo shows it better.

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iamlindoro_:

Really? Must be smoked. Yeah, from their front photo it looks like it's not there.

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CyberKnet:

http://www.pcalchemy.com/images/gmc/avc-s7/avc-s7-b-09.jpg

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CyberKnet:

that shows it

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, good stuff. Very nice looking

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CyberKnet:

although it does look a tad photoshopped

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CyberKnet:

I really like how slim that case is.

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CyberKnet:

I haven't seen anything else that slim.

[22:59:10]

CyberKnet:

it's about the size of my cable box.

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CyberKnet:

** I have seen something else that slim, but it had no ODD space

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iamlindoro_:

Somedoy when I sell the condo and get a house, I'll get more into the seperated frontend and backend, but for now, it just doesn't make sense

[23:03:11]

** directhex will be putting in a split back/frontend system when he moves into his new house **

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iamlindoro_:

Directhex, cool... Yeah, I originally imagines building a little closet for the backends, but it seemed silly to run four computers where two could do the job, in 1000 Sq ft, ya know?

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directhex:

iamlindoro, i'll put the backend in the garage

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directhex:

iamlindoro, frontend in the living room and the bedroom

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iamlindoro_:

Cool, I look forward to the day I can do it.. just don't have the space to justify it today

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mzb_d800:

I've got the same problem (combined with g/f that won't allow wires in certain places;) ... hence the "under floor" mount system

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mzb_d800:

going to have trouble tomorrow though ... got an orphaned 48" RPTV arriving ... haven't completely figured out where that's going to go

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bsdfox:

can anyone give me input on using a p2–450 w/ 256 ram as a backend w/ a pvr-500 and pvr-250? I won't run jobs on it, just use it for capture

[23:34:33]

bsdfox:

think it can handle the disk i/o and everything with any kind of reasonable speed?

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directhex:

yes

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directhex:

disk i/o is the one to watch, but i imagine it'd be fine

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bsdfox:

I'm running software raid too so that could make a difference

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bsdfox:

4 disk raid0

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bsdfox:

I need the box I'm using as my backend now for something else unfortunately :(

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bsdfox:

and the p2 is the only thing I have laying around right now

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directhex:

oh, that could make a difference

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directhex:

software raid will hammer that cpu pretty badly

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directhex:

4 disk raid0... that's via master/slave on 2 ide ports?

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bsdfox:

yeah

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bsdfox:

I have lvm over the top of it too which has a fair amount of overhead

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directhex:

hm, i'm getting less convinced then

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directhex:

i think you're going to hit i/o issues

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bsdfox:

yeah me too

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directhex:

given how things are laid out on a system like that, i'd propose dmraid on a pci sata raid controller

[23:40:55]

directhex:

it'll still whore the cpu, but it's cheap, and you're not sharing channels (other than pci, which is how the existing controllers are attached anyway)

[23:41:12]

directhex:

hell, add in a dirrt cheap pata controller, and just put half your drives on there, so you have 4 masters

[23:41:19]

directhex:

that should eliminate the master/slave bottleneck

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directhex:

you really can't use master & slave as parts of the same raid array

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mchou:

bsdfox: I've used that same exact system b4

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bsdfox:

directhex: those drives will run at ata33 though

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mchou:

bsdfox: and it was great

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bsdfox:

cause of pci bus speed

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bsdfox:

mchou: really?

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directhex:

bsdfox, 32-bit pci has a bus limit of 133MiB/s

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bsdfox:

that's cool. how sluggish was it reacting to the frontend (bringing up program guide and changing channels)

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mchou:

bsdfox: pci bus isnt really a limiting factor...I just put an ata100 promise card in there

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bsdfox:

directhex: odd, cause this same system, with an ata-100 capable card always ran the drives at 33mb/s

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mchou:

bsdfox: heh, I wouldnt advise watching on it :)

[23:43:56]

bsdfox:

I have an ata100 promise card

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directhex:

bsdfox, promise aren't happy happy under linux

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bsdfox:

mchou: it'll be backend only

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bsdfox:

I guess I can give it a shot at least :)

[23:44:31]

mchou:

bsdfox: I mean it's not bad too watch on that system but I have faster system for frontends

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bsdfox:

I had freebsd on it back then

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bsdfox:

mchou: my frontends are fast

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bsdfox:

but it still has to get all the data from the backend

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mchou:

directhex: promise aint happy in linux? I've only been using it for the last 4 yrs :)

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mchou:

bsdfox: it's fast enough :)

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mchou:

bsdfox: at one time I had 3 tuners in the p2–450 :)

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bsdfox:

sweet

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directhex:

mchou, highpoint is worse, but generally, promise is a bit... funny... in linux

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bsdfox:

that's what I'll have

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mchou:

directhex: there's nothing "funny" about promise ATA

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mchou:

in linux or elsewhere

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directhex:

mchou, tell that to my first myth box

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mchou:

directhex: your first box most likely had other problems

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mchou:

bsdfox: and I had like about 6 drives on that P2 system

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directhex:

mchou, sure, it did. but one of the main issues was the onboard promise chip

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mchou:

directhex: Promise aint a problem

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mchou:

I'm talking straight ATA, no raid

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mchou:

bsdfox: and it was a very quiet system

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mchou:

no active cooling beside 1 9cm case fan

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mchou:

it was great

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mchou:

the only reason I retired it was it didnt have enough PCI slots

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mchou:

damn ISA kept getting in the way

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bsdfox:

hehe that's why my backend is remote and under the house

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bsdfox:

loud hard drives :P

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mchou:

I needed a pci slot for firewire

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mchou:

if it had enough slots I'm sure I'd still be using it to this day

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bsdfox:

ok well I'll bbiaf gonna go under the house and rearrange some stuff :)

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mchou:

bsdfox: actually I recall needing more ram for some reason

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mchou:

in any case, ram was cheap, I stuff'd it to 758MB

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mchou:

made it more responsive

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mchou:

less time thrashing swap :)

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