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Wednesday, November 28th, 2007, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:20] godzirra: huh.
[00:00:21] godzirra: that works.
[00:00:39] defaultro: adding denoise3d got worst
[00:00:46] defaultro: it even froze the frame :)
[00:01:47] godzirra: If I edit the lircrc in my ~/.mythtv/, do I need to restart the front end? or the backend? or what?
[00:02:45] godzirra: Hrm.
[00:02:50] cmoates: Is it possible to say, "prefer the HD channel over the SD channel" without removing the SD channel from the lineup? (same tuner gets both SD and HD)
[00:02:54] godzirra: alt+home is whats listed to get the menu in my ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[00:02:58] godzirra: but that doesnt work from the keyboard.
[00:03:05] cmoates: godzirra, you'd need to restart the fe
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[00:03:37] godzirra: ok
[00:03:55] godzirra: Hrm... here's a problem
[00:04:03] godzirra: when I hit "Watch tv" and it tells me there's a show recording already
[00:04:06] godzirra: I can't hit ok again from the remote
[00:04:09] godzirra: as far as I can see.
[00:04:51] Aval0n: !seen |torg|
[00:04:51] MythLogBot: |torg| was last seen 4 days 21 hours 19 minutes 37 seconds ago
[00:05:21] justinh: cmoates: channel priorities is where you need to look
[00:06:00] cmoates: thanks
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[00:06:26] mzb_d800: godzirra: try Esc (or the button you've got that linked to)
[00:06:30] cmoates: Ideally, I'd like it to be smart enough to record the HD when it's an HD show, and use the SD when it's not
[00:06:31] xris: woot. my wife tells me that the lcd on my mythbox is actually working now.
[00:06:40] cmoates: But i don't know that Myth can do that
[00:07:06] daMaestro: is there any way to make transcoding/nuvexport use both my cores?
[00:07:08] mzb_d800: cmoates: increase the priority of the HD channels
[00:07:09] godzirra: mzb_d800: that goes to the recordingf listing if you're watyching a recording.
[00:07:24] justinh: cmoates: you don't know that myth can do that? I just told you it can
[00:07:32] kormoc: daMaestro, run two transcodes at once?
[00:07:36] daMaestro: lol
[00:07:46] daMaestro: how can i tell myth it's allowed to do so?
[00:07:50] jheizer: cmoates: or the tuner if it does all hd
[00:08:07] kormoc: daMaestro, set the jobs to run to 2 or more?
[00:08:10] cmoates: I mean to say, for example, record House from the HD channel, but Family Guy from the SD channel, without my having to specify
[00:08:15] cmoates: Since FG is an SD show
[00:08:19] daMaestro: thanks, i'll poke mythtv-setup
[00:08:42] cmoates: But, I'll settle for always preferring the HD channel over the SD channel
[00:09:02] godzirra: My wife is having tons of problems with the remote.
[00:09:08] godzirra: The lircrc I have has all the wrong keys.
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[00:15:43] tgow: QQ, mythdora, KnoppMyth, or Mythbuntu for ease of use / flexibility?
[00:17:45] tgow: it seems that knopp is the oldest / most stable, but buntu has the full featured thang going on for it.
[00:20:52] tgow: slow time, i guess i'll ask again l8r
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[00:22:32] godzirra: Is 0.20.2 an old version of myth or something?
[00:25:42] gbee: it's not new, but it's the current stable version
[00:26:17] godzirra: How do I tell what version an svn version is?
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[00:26:45] godzirra: My problem is that I'm using the lircrc thats listed in svn, and its not even close to right.
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[00:26:51] godzirra: pageup and pagedown dont change channels, etc.
[00:27:06] gbee: mythfrontend --version or mythbackend --version
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[00:27:18] godzirra: Hrm, actually I knew that.
[00:27:36] godzirra: I guess a better question is should I update to svn version 14925 or how do I find a lircrc thats correct for me?
[00:27:58] gbee: godzirra: depends on the remote, also depends on a correct lircd.conf
[00:28:17] ** gbee goes to bed **
[00:28:19] godzirra: The remote is the MCE 1069. The lircd.conf is showing correctly when I use irw to push buttons.
[00:28:26] godzirra: The lircrc has the wrong shortcuts though.
[00:28:30] godzirra: I dont think thats a remote problem....
[00:28:32] godzirra: is it?
[00:28:42] godzirra: alt+home doesn't go home. P ageup and Pagedown don't change channels. etc.
[00:28:53] godzirra: thats in the lircrc, but seems to not be something thats remote specific...
[00:33:16] godzirra: anyone know?
[00:33:21] gbee: godzirra: sounds like the lircrc isn't using the default keybindings for things, jumppoints (e.g. go to main menu) aren't bound to anything by default in mythtv
[00:33:37] godzirra: yes, but Program Guide = alt+g?
[00:33:42] godzirra: PageUp and PageDown -are- bound to something by default...
[00:33:47] godzirra: and it isnt channel changing.
[00:33:54] gbee: I suggest running mythcontrols (key configuration plugin)
[00:33:59] godzirra: ok.
[00:34:29] gbee: godzirra: like I said, the lircrc was probably written by someone who had changed their keybindings to something other than the defaults
[00:37:00] godzirra: The default example in svn thats posted on the wiki should probably be one that isnt. ;p
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[00:42:15] godzirra: After I run "make install" on the mythplugins, how do I see them? Do I just need to restart mythfrontend?
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[00:51:26] godzirra: I'm trying to find mythcontrols after installing it... lol
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[00:53:30] godzirra: Any suggestions?
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[00:59:33] godzirra: anyone?
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[01:04:57] fryfrog: i wonder where the heck myth *movies* is :/
[01:05:01] fryfrog: and what it even is
[01:06:21] godzirra: I cant find anything on the wiki or anywhere else to describe how mythcontrols works
[01:06:26] godzirra: I just want to get my freaking remote working right :/
[01:08:53] jhulst: godzirra: Utilities/Setup -> Edit Keys
[01:10:07] godzirra: Hrm.
[01:10:09] godzirra: I dont have an edit keys...
[01:10:16] godzirra: utilities/setup was the firstp lace I looked...
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[01:11:53] jhulst: godzirra: Did you see this for compiling plugins? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . gins_compile
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[01:16:39] godzirra: No, but I followed teh readme.
[01:16:44] godzirra: the other plugins I installed are definitely there.
[01:16:48] godzirra: I've got a new video menu in settings.
[01:20:12] godzirra: So what am I doing wrong?
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[01:34:49] godzirra: So no one has any ideas?
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[01:40:26] Sedorox: Got a quick question... is there a way to use MythTV with DishTV, without using an external reciever and LIRC? I'm reading on on DVB and the sat stuff, but I don't see much mention about combining the two (and yes, I would be paying for service)
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[01:52:23] oobe: i have multiple tuners and i scheduled a recording using mythweb and it now appears twice in my recording schedule as if i am recording it on 2 tuners this has never happened before i tryed removing it and re adding it in mythfrontend but this did not help was wondering if anyone has ever encountered this before
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[01:56:51] godzirra: Sooo... anyone know why I dont seem to have my mythcontrl plugin working? all the others worked fine.
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[02:05:41] sayjack: I have a nvidia FX5200 with Svideo to rca connected to an older Sharp TV, I'm running mythtv backend and frontend on a Ubuntu Feisty desktop. My problem is with overscan (display doesn't fill TV screen). When I adjust the overscan in with the nvidia configuration GUI the sides go off the screen before the top and bottom. I would like to adjust the resolution but xvidtune won't let me because of an error and when I h
[02:05:41] sayjack: ave tried to edit xorg.conf with a ModeLine it doesn't work either. How can I get xvidtune working or how do I need to edit the xorg.conf to set a specific res?
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[02:08:01] RyeBrye: for anyone who cares... dell servers are on a crazy sale right now... 30% off all their poweredge stuff
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[02:12:40] godzirra: Can I put more than one command on a button in my lircrc?
[02:12:48] godzirra: i.e. 357 then push enter?
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[02:14:15] mzb_d800: sayjack: work on video first, adjust overscan until screen is *just* full (doesn't matter if 3 edges go "off screen"), then reduce+shift playback size until it fills the screen properly
[02:15:00] Mixx: [09:01:19] <justinh> because they can mixx vital information mythtv needs for EIT data to work
[02:15:02] Mixx: =D
[02:15:07] Mixx: [09:01:27] <justinh> s/mixx/miss
[02:15:09] Mixx: =(
[02:16:39] iamlindoro: godzirra, you would need to script that and call the script with irexec
[02:16:49] godzirra: how can I do that?
[02:16:55] iamlindoro: Write a script.
[02:17:05] godzirra: Like what? A bash script that just has 3 lines?
[02:17:07] iamlindoro: look up irexec with lircrc
[02:17:07] godzirra: #!/bin/sh
[02:17:12] godzirra: 357
[02:17:15] iamlindoro: no
[02:17:17] godzirra: ok.
[02:18:51] iamlindoro: I don't think I have the patience to explain that one tonight, honestly. You would use a modified channel change script that you would "hard wire" to do whatever you want, then call the script in your lircrc like: http://www.pastebin.ca/800072
[02:19:44] iamlindoro: The script you're going to figure out on your own, I don't have the time to get into that tonight, but you will invoke irsend in it
[02:21:39] iamlindoro: Here is mine. Decipher on your own to figure it out: http://www.pastebin.ca/800079
[02:21:57] iamlindoro: And now I watch TV.
[02:22:50] godzirra: iamlindoro: quick quesiton first.
[02:22:53] godzirra: how do you call it in your lircrc?
[02:23:13] iamlindoro: I already showed you that
[02:23:15] iamlindoro: bye
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[02:28:48] godzirra: I dont think you did...?
[02:28:52] godzirra: You showed me the script
[02:28:58] godzirra: Oh
[02:28:59] godzirra: wait you did.
[02:29:00] godzirra: I'm an idiot.
[02:29:01] godzirra: nevermind
[02:29:26] sayjack: zb_d800, how do I reduce+shift playback with the ubuntu desktop, when I change the res from 0 in the appearance settings the gnome desktop doesn't let the myth playback window cover up the top toolbar.
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[02:37:46] mzb_d800: sayjack: my instructions assume that you're talking about fullscreen video playback on a TV ... I'm not going into how it all works, or any distro-specific hand-holding
[02:38:40] purserj: sayjack: sorry I run xfce on both my myth boxes, much more myth friendly
[02:39:32] sayjack: What about xvidtune, how do I get that working?
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[02:48:04] oobe: i have multiple tuners and i scheduled a recording using mythweb and it now appears twice in my recording schedule as if i am recording it on 2 tuners this has never happened before i tryed removing it and re adding it in mythfrontend but this did not help was wondering if anyone has ever encountered this before
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[03:14:43] Der_Thomas: anyone around that knows anything about moving recording from disk to disk?
[03:15:32] Der_Thomas: I just bought a new HD and I plan on copying my recordings to it and then mounting it as the mount point where I had the old disk. Anyone know if I need to do anything other then that?
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[03:18:06] fryfrog: Der_Thomas: maybe stop the backend while you do the swap
[03:18:09] fryfrog: that should do it
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[03:18:34] Der_Thomas: fryfrog, good idea. thanks
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[03:19:25] simcop2387-tv: quick question, where do the filters come from for the filter list in the latest svn tree when editing the playback profiles?
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[03:32:47] sinthetek: for some reason mythvideo doesn't seem to want to update it's listings
[03:33:29] jams: simcop2387- the filter dir
[03:33:31] sinthetek: i goto video manager and it supposedly scans, but it only reports files that have been removed like a couple of months ago
[03:34:26] jams: simcop2387- the filter dir in $prefix/lib/mythtv/filter
[03:34:27] jams: s
[03:34:58] fryfrog: anyone know why mythweb would suddenly be creating 0 byte thumbs, but in the recordings dir the .png files are fine?
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[03:38:37] fryfrog: humm, aparantly mythtv got a built in web server :/
[03:39:07] GreyFoxx: it does, for status stuff, and the upnp/xml interface
[03:39:29] fryfrog: so mythweb seems to send an http request to generate thumbnails now
[03:39:35] GreyFoxx: yup
[03:39:51] fryfrog: it isn't working on mah svn trunk :(
[03:40:40] GreyFoxx: there have been a few commits related to that t in the last 2 days
[03:40:53] GreyFoxx: including I think accidentally turning off the http server on the frontend
[03:40:55] fryfrog: as in, fixing or just mucking about with it?
[03:41:03] fryfrog: well, the http server is up
[03:41:07] GreyFoxx: changes that broke something
[03:41:09] fryfrog: if i visit the *root* of the url, i get the status page
[03:41:21] fryfrog: http://10.0.1.2:6544/Myth/GetPreviewImage?Cha . . . p;SecsIn=124
[03:41:27] fryfrog: for example ^ is blank
[03:41:36] GreyFoxx: Height of 0 ? wtf
[03:41:40] fryfrog: but just... http://10.0.1.2:6544/ is the status page as seen in mythweb, but simpler
[03:41:47] fryfrog: humm
[03:41:59] fryfrog: oh, i bet 0 is "unspecified"
[03:42:03] fryfrog: ie, to maintain aspect ratio
[03:42:12] GreyFoxx: could be yeah
[03:42:26] fryfrog: changing to 100 doesn't do anything
[03:42:28] fryfrog: oh
[03:42:34] fryfrog: maybe make the amp to & :/
[03:43:11] fryfrog: yar, still bubkis
[03:44:09] fryfrog: of course, now i can't see anything in apache's error.log and i'm not seeing anything in mythtv's log
[03:44:16] fryfrog: course, that could easily be due to log level or something
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[03:47:21] fryfrog: GreyFoxx: you don't think --nopnp would cause it, do you?
[03:47:29] slango: alright, so I am using a WinTV PVR USB2, and I am getting the issue where it doesn't record.
[03:47:39] GreyFoxx: actually I would be suprised if that didn't cause the problem
[03:47:42] slango: however, this seems to have happened randomly for the first time after months
[03:47:50] slango: any ideas why?
[03:48:00] fryfrog: guess i can nuke that option and see what happens
[03:48:59] jams: fryfrog nigel just did a commit about the http server
[03:49:37] jams: doesn't look like i would help though
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[03:54:51] fryfrog: jams: thanks :)
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[03:55:18] xris: yay, mythbox + lcd, and it works!
[03:55:39] fryfrog: what do you display on it
[03:55:40] fryfrog: ?
[03:56:09] jams: time/current menu item/playback progress
[03:56:45] fryfrog: xris: you running pretty current svn trunk?
[03:57:31] xris: couple of days old, I think
[03:57:46] xris: fryfrog: mythtv displays whatever it wants to, I think... heh.
[03:57:52] xris: I'm just glad to have it be something other than bright blue
[03:57:59] xris: wish there was better contrast control, though
[03:58:11] fryfrog: is it... room brightening?
[03:58:21] fryfrog: thats what bugs me about all the LEDs on most of my stuff :/
[03:58:30] xris: http://codeka.com/blogs/index.php?cat=30
[03:58:42] xris: yeah, way too bright to have in a bedroom (thankfully it's not)
[03:58:47] fryfrog: xris: i don't spose you are seeing troubles with mythweb and show thumb creation?
[03:59:08] xris: as in no thumbnails?
[03:59:14] fryfrog: yar
[03:59:28] fryfrog: creates 0 byte thumbs, actually, in the ./data/cache
[03:59:41] Der_Thomas: anyone here use mythgame?
[03:59:44] fryfrog: and the url that mythweb tries to use to create em, it is a blank page
[04:01:05] jams: Der_Thomas- sometimes
[04:01:14] xris: fryfrog: works fine for me
[04:01:33] xris: fryfrog: you need to compile in xml/upnp support for the backend
[04:01:50] fryfrog: ah, so --nopnp would ruin it?
[04:02:01] Der_Thomas: jams: I noticed that the themes have a place for screen shots – or maybe title screens or something, but I con't figure out how to load them
[04:02:08] fryfrog: or is there a compile time option i need also?
[04:03:27] fryfrog: yup, that seems to have perhaps done it... they are no longer 0 byte png files :)
[04:03:32] mzb_d800: godzirra: what sort of device are you using for mythcontrol?
[04:03:59] jams: Der_Thomas- sorry can't help you there. Maybe GreyFoxx, if he is still around
[04:04:45] Der_Thomas: GreyFoxx, you around?
[04:06:08] xris: fryfrog: that might ruin it, yes
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[04:08:14] fryfrog: xris: thanks, all fixed now then
[04:09:06] fryfrog: i wonder what the cost of living difference is between ATL and SFO
[04:09:56] xris: fryfrog: not thinking about seattle?!?!
[04:09:56] xris: heh
[04:10:23] jams: xris- started the new job yet?
[04:10:33] xris: monday
[04:10:37] xris: er, next monday
[04:14:58] kslater: fryfrog: there is some site where you can get a comparison btw 2 major cities
[04:15:13] kslater: I had a buddy that did it for Pittsburgh to San Jose
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[04:19:35] jheizer: http://www.bankrate.com/brm/movecalc.asp
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[04:22:09] jheizer: weird that it says my city has about 5% higher cost lof living than all the decent sized ones around me
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[04:24:40] xris: kslater / fryfrog: salary.com has a "cost of living comparison" thing... no idea how accurate it is, though
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[04:27:39] jams: according to salary.com i should ask for more money
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[04:28:45] kieran491: Dose any one know how to get the "TwinhanDTV Mini Ter" remote control to work with LIRC on a mnadriva 2008 machine
[04:29:22] xris: jams: funny, everyone I talk to says that
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[04:29:44] xris: I used it to get raises for a couple of my devs, though.. just to get them on the friggin' graph
[04:30:02] kslater: not me, I think my current job is overpaying me
[04:30:15] xris: kslater: lucky.
[04:30:18] kslater: and I have to move and it's hurting me during the search
[04:30:29] jams: you know my manager has said i'm worth more then what he pays, but can't get the money from higher up.
[04:30:32] xris: my new job might put me near the median, depending on how the bonus/stock go
[04:30:47] xris: jams: common problem
[04:31:08] jams: yeah i believe him as well
[04:31:30] jams: i'm sure some are told that..but it's just bs
[04:33:25] xris: I was told "not enough money" and then the raises got approved... so who am I to complain.
[04:33:32] xris: granted, I still quit for a job closer to home.. heh
[04:33:45] xris: though I probably could have easily gotten myself a matching $$ offer
[04:35:12] ** jams has never pressed the issue **
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[04:44:16] xris: jams: I didn't, either... didn't want to turn it into a money thing and risk burning bridges with current (for 3 more days) employer
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[04:54:47] mzb_d800: hmm ... getting occasional problems with no sound when using mplayer -playlist
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[04:56:21] mzb_d800: at this rate I'm going to have to try a 2 or 3 second splash (without sound) in between items :|
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[05:03:07] kieran491: Dose any one have any good documenation relating to geting a USB remote controll to work with LIRC the remote i am trying to get working is an Twinhan Remote control
[05:06:47] kieran491: man its like geting blood out of a stone for LIRC
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[05:17:35] Aval0n: !seen |torg|
[05:17:35] MythLogBot: |torg| was last seen 5 days 2 hours 32 minutes 21 seconds ago
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[05:23:33] kormoc: Aval0n, christ man, how often do you have to check for the guy?
[05:26:14] Tanthrix: kormoc: Only four times, according to my chat logs. Not quite what I'd call excessive ;)
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[05:27:07] kormoc: Tanthrix, given he can check privately... :P
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[05:29:30] Tanthrix: By PMing the bot or something?
[05:29:38] Tanthrix: I've never had need to use it, so I don't know what it can do
[05:30:41] kormoc: Tanthrix, aye, or just /msg nickserv info |torg|
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[06:08:24] Tanthrix: kormoc: Good to know!
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[06:24:32] ttuttle: hey
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[06:25:19] ttuttle: is this supported? http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/Prod . . . ro+Stick.htm
[06:28:58] kormoc: ttuttle, google likely knows
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[06:33:26] ttuttle: kormoc: okay
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[06:34:14] jheizer: ah, on woot
[06:34:41] ttuttle: jheizer: yeah. don't buy all of them — i'm thinking of getting one ;-)
[06:35:38] jheizer: you find any info on them, not that at that price I am all that interested
[06:35:49] jheizer: just wondering more than anything
[06:35:54] ttuttle: jheizer: yeah a little
[06:35:59] ttuttle: jheizer: check the comments, page 4.
[06:36:07] ttuttle: jheizer: someone says they should work.
[06:36:32] ttuttle: jheizer: http://www.2nrds.com/digital-tv-in-linux-with-em28xx-devices <-- link
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[06:42:19] jheizer: mmm, think I will just stick with my single air2pc
[06:42:29] jheizer: I enjoy nice and easy tuners
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[06:45:14] ttuttle: jheizer: is that USB?
[06:45:21] ttuttle: jheizer: I've got a laptop and I'd like a cheapish USB one.
[06:45:31] ttuttle: jheizer: but it's gotta do NTSC and ATSC, and I'd love QAM.
[06:45:32] jheizer: no, pci
[06:45:34] ttuttle: jheizer: ah
[06:45:48] jheizer: and only atsc and qam
[06:46:00] ttuttle: ok
[06:46:07] ** ttuttle is going to bed now (it's 1:45 AM here). **
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[08:20:31] Terrortoertchen: Morning folks
[08:20:34] Terrortoertchen: :)
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[08:22:06] navreet: hi, anyone here use ubuntu?
[08:22:12] navreet: or SPDIF passthrough?
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[08:24:53] pkendall: I'm using mythbuntu
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[08:25:24] pkendall: I use 6 channel output to my DTS amp though.
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[09:03:38] mzb_d800: has anybody tried using xine with a playlist? I'm getting popup errors using loop mode when it hits the last song in the list.
[09:04:39] mzb_d800: perhaps my playlist format ...
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[09:43:32] tank-man: i know xine has trouble for me with filenames with # in it
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[09:48:46] justinh: morning myth fans
[09:49:13] Tanthrix: Top of it to ya.
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[09:58:39] justinh: hmmm.. is today going to be the day that pesky cpu arrives? I'm not counting on it
[10:01:11] anykey_: Does anyone know if the nvidia onboard chips with HDMI output support sound over HDMI?
[10:01:20] anykey_: (under linux of course)
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[10:13:10] justinh: anykey_: find some boards with onboard nvidia graphics which have HDMI out & RTFM on them :)
[10:14:36] justinh: I suspect that since they have hdmi connectors fitted natively, then the digital audio will be present. ordinary graphics cards with hdmi usually have a means of getting spdif to them
[10:19:30] anykey_: justinh: I found some, but I didn't find much in the manual ;)
[10:22:58] hashbang: justinh: is that from Aria?
[10:23:15] justinh: hashbang: nah. fleabay
[10:23:18] hashbang: aha
[10:23:27] ** hashbang shakes a magic 8 ball **
[10:23:53] justinh: computer says no
[10:24:32] hashbang: actually, computer says "just when you think it isn't coming, and pop out for five minutes, the RM will turn up, fail to deliver, and you'll have to collect it on Saturday morning"
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[10:25:39] justinh: I love that.. "while you were out, making money to pay for the stuff we tried to deliver..."
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[10:26:51] gbee: I've had them pop that card through when I've been home and know they didn't ring the doorbell or knock on the door
[10:26:56] justinh: I'm mostly just pissed off cos the seller hasn't (so far) had the fscking courtesy to reply to my emails despite still being an active ebay user
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[10:27:00] directhex|bsp: gbee, yeah, me too
[10:27:16] directhex|bsp: gbee, i've watched the postman through the spyhole as he starts writing the card, without knocking or anything
[10:27:40] justinh: I complained to the bay last night.. nothing from _them_ yet either. gotta love their customer service
[10:28:08] justinh: why would a postie do that? isn't it more effort to fill a form out?
[10:28:22] directhex|bsp: i have no fucking idea, tbh
[10:28:36] justinh: or is it just because they're all a bunch of illiterate, lazy bastards like ours is?
[10:28:37] hashbang: justinh: because your postie is a git.
[10:29:52] justinh: we keep getting mail for an address on Moston Lane East. That isn't even vaguely similar to our street name
[10:30:06] justinh: same house number though, so they get that right at least
[10:31:50] justinh: ooo I forgot about that HDD manufacturer coming in today to tell us about all the new toys
[10:34:52] ** hashbang is torn between trying to find a 1.8" ~30GB flash drive or a ~160GB HDD for his iRiver, at some point **
[10:35:12] hashbang: lower power consumption + robustness vs. All teh MP3s.
[10:35:23] ** directhex|bsp cares not for storage, generally **
[10:35:33] directhex|bsp: storage is a boring, uninteresting topic
[10:35:35] ** hashbang is all over storage these days **
[10:35:41] justinh: you can have too many mp3s in one place
[10:35:47] ** hashbang couldn't care about CPUs and graphics cards these days. **
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[10:35:52] directhex|bsp: you get to X terabytes, and the whole matter becomes moot
[10:35:56] directhex|bsp: see also: gigs of ram
[10:36:33] justinh: I hope I've woken up by 2pm. they're not bringing their fulsome wench this time
[10:37:07] directhex|bsp: one of our storage vendors has a rather nice lady working for them
[10:37:13] directhex|bsp: "buxom" is the term, i believe
[10:37:17] hashbang: justinh: perhaps they're hoping you'll pay attention to the /products/ this time? ;-P
[10:37:23] justinh: like I said, I'm tired
[10:38:10] justinh: just read the meeting brief. it's all gonna be BS about the slight variance in firmware they used for their surveillane line
[10:38:14] justinh: :(
[10:38:23] hashbang: yippee-kay-ay
[10:38:34] justinh: hooray they tweaked the seek algorithms again :-\
[10:38:48] justinh: like that ever makes any difference to us
[10:39:31] justinh: certainly doesn't impact reliability. they're just the same as the cheap desktop drives at the end of the day as far as I'm concerned
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[10:50:55] directhex|bsp: hm, i never noticed those freesat geezers have a website set up
[10:51:08] directhex|bsp: all a bit vague still, but it's nice to see some evidence of actual happenings
[10:52:12] justinh: even shitev are talking about going on da hood
[10:53:06] ** justinh imagines Emmerdull in HD <shudder> **
[10:53:56] directhex|bsp: i'm waiting for 4 & 5 to drop NDS. i'll probably get a sat nistalled when that happens
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[10:57:13] justinh: so you're waiting for March then
[10:57:35] justinh: at least that's when 4's channels go FTA
[10:58:59] directhex|bsp: and five?
[10:59:15] justinh: not sure. might even be the same time
[11:00:23] directhex|bsp: i wonder, since freesat is very careful to not mention the channel 4 thing
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[11:06:05] justinh: hmm apparently Sly are violating European Union rules about encrippled broadcasting & not allowing customers to use any gear they want
[11:07:30] siXy: ah well thats good news. sometime in the next 18 months we can expect them to form a committee to decide what to do about that then...
[11:08:13] siXy: maybe they will even force sky to provide cams that can be plugged into mythboxes
[11:08:21] justinh: club together & pay a team of craxx0r5 to er.. fix it, and thereby bankrupt Murdoch
[11:09:40] siXy: i doubt anyone could bankrupt him faster than he appears to be doing of his own accord
[11:10:30] justinh: yeah but dodgy geezers in every pub saying "psst! d'ya want Sky for free mate?" might help speed up the ruining
[11:10:42] justinh: </evil>
[11:10:46] siXy: heh :D
[11:14:46] directhex|bsp: siXy, whoa there cowboy! slow down! a commitee straight away? they need to hold a pre-planning convention to determine commitee roles & responsibilities first
[11:14:52] directhex|bsp: and the commitee to oversee the planning meetings
[11:15:09] siXy: directhex|bsp: lmao
[11:15:16] directhex|bsp: personally, i don't want sky for free. i want a sky CAM
[11:15:16] siXy: :)
[11:15:43] directhex|bsp: i'd buy sky if they'd sell it to me, but they won't. they only sell it to low-income idiots who don't know what DVB-S is
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[11:32:27] justinh: I don't think it's so wrong to want the bugger to go out of business. nor virgin :)
[11:33:53] directhex|bsp: well, i don't think it would make my life any better if they did
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[11:34:46] justinh: it's be nice to put a stop to all the Sky fanboys' smugness though :)
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[11:37:49] justinh: there seems to be a hell of a lot of confusion regading FTA/FTV out there :(
[11:38:22] directhex|bsp: yes, there is
[11:38:26] directhex|bsp: it drives me up the wall
[11:38:45] directhex|bsp: it doesn't help that the astra website puts fta & ftv together
[11:39:03] justinh: all the 'no Sky don't own the encryption' argument too. ffs NDS is owned by News Corp.
[11:39:28] directhex|bsp: yes, that's a bit on the retarded side
[11:39:38] directhex|bsp: i'll watch sky italia's squirming with joy
[11:39:56] directhex|bsp: it's italian interop laws being broken, and actively being pursued.
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[11:50:54] AndyCap: directhex|bsp: bah. satellite providers have been pissing on interop agreements, laws, regulators and whatnot for a long time.
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[12:08:44] justinh: heh. I see humax are selling an LCD TV with built in freeview pvr
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[12:09:31] justinh: if it could play network videos, music, photos & DVD/CD it'd be almost a mythical convergence box
[12:09:35] Saviq: hi again guys, is it possible to have files with transparency as channel logos? like gifs or pngs?
[12:09:52] justinh: gif isn't really transparent
[12:10:09] justinh: it has one level of transparancy – on or off
[12:10:15] Saviq: yeah I know
[12:10:25] Saviq: but will myth display those properly?
[12:10:51] justinh: it usually displays PNGs properly
[12:11:02] Saviq: great, will try those, then
[12:11:19] justinh: what are you up to?
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[12:15:35] justinh: word to the wise – if you're using xvmc with the colorkey hack, all OSD transparancy disappears
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[12:24:44] mzb_d800: perhaps it's my ignorance, but mine seems to work
[12:27:35] mzb_d800: justinh: you mean xvmc + $ xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 1 ??
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[12:32:04] Saviq: justinh: I just want my tv logos to have transparency on the edges – instead of being enclosed in a white outline
[12:35:03] mzb_d800: works for me
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[12:36:34] Saviq: I'm not using xvmc – transparent pngs work great :)
[12:36:45] Saviq: now... 80 jpgs to fix ;]
[12:36:51] mzb_d800: heh ;)
[12:37:59] sege: why does my autotranscode doesn't run? i've told mythtv to do commflag and transcode on a recording but it'll only do commflag...
[12:41:40] mzb_d800: your backend logs should give hints
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[12:42:10] sege: according do backend mysql-loggings there's.. nothing. i'll check the file log then
[12:44:04] mzb_d800: is mythtranscode installed, and if that machine is a combined fe+be have you increased max jobs to >1 ?
[12:45:50] sege: mythtranscode is there, i can run transcode manual. it runs commflag so it runs jobs.
[12:46:00] mzb_d800: max jobs
[12:46:29] mzb_d800: increase verbosity in the logs then
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[12:47:04] sege: it logs everything to database.. there no sign of even trying to run transcode there though
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[12:48:29] mzb_d800: -v all ?
[12:52:04] sege: does hardware encoder profile need 'activate transcode after recording' (or similiar, using another lang..) activeted then i have found the problem.
[13:03:32] sege: hmm, that was the solution. i wonder when that parameter changed itself. hrm. =)
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[13:07:22] justinh: mzb_d800: doesn't work with via xvmc though. didn't figure it might for other ones
[13:07:48] mzb_d800: ah ok, I'm using nv ... and I assume I'm talking about the same thing
[13:07:59] justinh: yet another reason why Epia boards are crap
[13:08:03] mzb_d800: heh
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[13:08:28] justinh: though maybe with the new video changes in trunk it'd be different – but then I hope I never have to find out
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[13:10:09] justinh: grr still no news from ebay. what are they doing with all the money they get from us?
[13:10:39] mzb_d800: a snip here ... and a snip there ...
[13:10:56] jduggan: spending it on security consultants trying not to get their sites hacked
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[13:11:41] justinh: I think when I'm shot of my dbox2, pvr150 card & 2 s100 boxes that'll be the last of my dealings with them
[13:12:43] jduggan: are you replacing 2 s100s with that c2d ? or consolidating into one?
[13:13:00] justinh: I don't use em
[13:15:36] justinh: they were merely an interesting diversion for a while
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[13:16:14] jduggan: ah
[13:16:21] jduggan: both those questions asked the same thing
[13:16:23] ** jduggan slaps self **
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[13:18:46] levander: I'm trying to figure out what remote to get, and have read some complaints about lirc. Does lirc still crash for no reason sometimes? Or, are those complaints old?
[13:19:01] justinh: YMMV with lirc, always
[13:19:11] levander: It works for you fine?
[13:20:11] justinh: yup
[13:20:35] justinh: but hey if you find it crashes you can always paste 10000 lines of log in the channel
[13:20:45] jduggan: haha
[13:20:52] mzb_d800: it *can* be a PITA to setup ... depending on what you're using, and how complicated you want to make your life ;)
[13:21:10] levander: I stick to my story it was only 500 lines.
[13:21:18] levander: mzb_d800: I don't mind the difficult setup.
[13:21:29] levander: mzb_d800: I do mind it crashing while I'm trying to use it though.
[13:22:08] mzb_d800: and to make things more complicated, it's not just lirc .. in some cases it's code in v4l-dvb (for example)
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[13:22:50] levander: I don't even know what v4l-dvb is, don't know that I wanna know, much less wanna debug it if it crashes.
[13:22:51] mzb_d800: running it in a console might help to debug
[13:23:35] levander: lirc has been out a long time, I'm surprised the bugs aren't fixed... Maybe it's just a more obscure piece of software than I'm thinking.
[13:23:46] directhex|bsp: xorg.log is typically 2500 lines
[13:23:51] justinh: ooo I found a local manufacturer of tv aerial amps who do an 8 output thing for £11.95 inc vat
[13:24:04] directhex|bsp: justinh, how cheap!
[13:24:10] justinh: they also make TV transmitters & towers.. even digital ones!
[13:24:13] directhex|bsp: justinh, so why do one-for-all charge £30 for 4-out?
[13:24:17] ** levander thinks directhex has a bunch of stuff he doesn't need in his xorg.conf **
[13:24:22] justinh: directhex|bsp: because they can?
[13:24:36] ** directhex|bsp knows levander does, having seen his log **
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[13:24:52] justinh: jees they make & sell cable trunk amps & everything else to do with TV distribution & broadcast
[13:25:52] justinh: directhex|bsp: and unlike the ones you get in regular shops these don't come in crappy plastic boxes
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[13:26:25] justinh: oh wait that isn't inc vat. even so though...
[13:28:15] justinh: blimmin nora their aerials are good too
[13:29:15] mzb_d800: hmm ... metal cased amps ... don't suppose they've got any wooden aerials? ;)
[13:29:51] directhex|bsp: justinh, looks like i need to find me a dish installer. any suggestions?
[13:30:09] ** justinh wonders how much a solid mahogany yagi would cost **
[13:30:52] justinh: directhex|bsp: yellow pages? get a few quotes & go for the middle one? Only use uk aerial assoc. approved ones though
[13:31:19] justinh: not the ones $ly use, you can tell when they're coming by the jingling of their spurs
[13:31:28] kezza491: when trying to run irrecord i get this error saying my device is not Lirc compatible but it is just wondering if any one know what the problem is
[13:31:29] kezza491: http://pastebin.ca/800447
[13:32:12] justinh: is lircd running?
[13:32:27] kezza491: justinh: Umm
[13:32:40] justinh: is the receiver a dumb one or USB/tuner card based?
[13:32:42] kezza491: justinh: Yeah it is running
[13:32:50] justinh: can you read?
[13:32:55] kezza491: justinh: USB
[13:33:10] justinh: look at the error message
[13:33:23] justinh: "lircd running ? --> close it"
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[13:33:51] kezza491: justinh: ok still get the same error
[13:34:00] kezza491: justinh: With the lirc server off
[13:34:09] mzb_d800: justinh: I've found from experience that the wooden ones don't suffer as much from heavy bird syndrome ;)
[13:34:14] justinh: anyway if you're trying to use 'a remote' with a USB receiver chances are it won't work because they're generally coded (they have a micro inside) to only work with one type of code
[13:34:30] Saviq: hmm is it normal that mythtv doesn't keep the icon's aspect ratio?
[13:34:31] justinh: mzb_d800: we don't get many buzzards etc in the UK
[13:34:54] kezza491: My remote has been listed to work for other there are instructions on the net that i have been follow i have just hit a problem
[13:35:37] gbee: Saviq: normal yes, although some themers use the correct dimensions for icons from lyngsat so they shouldn't be distorted
[13:36:09] Saviq: ok then... will need to expand my images
[13:36:14] justinh: Saviq: well, the OSD in 0.20.x runs at a base res of 640x480. the icon dimensions are supposed to be square but when the OSD gets scaled, so do the icons
[13:36:31] justinh: 640x480 is 4:3 so when the OSD is stretched to 16:9... whoah nelly
[13:36:38] Saviq: justinh: the icons get stretched, not scaled
[13:36:46] justinh: they get _scaled_
[13:37:06] justinh: scaling doesn't have to be linear
[13:37:08] gbee: but scaled in non-square dimensions
[13:37:21] gbee: err, what justinh said
[13:37:33] justinh: scaling 640x480 to 1920x1080, for example
[13:37:36] Saviq: whatever you call it, it's not that they all get scaled the same way
[13:37:52] Saviq: when my icon is roughly square it looks fine
[13:37:55] justinh: yeah it fecks the aspect ratio
[13:37:55] mzb_d800: I hate to think what the real difference is
[13:37:55] kezza491: justinh: my device is "Twinhan Tech Remote Control" if you happen to know anything
[13:38:04] justinh: oh fack not Twinhan
[13:38:12] justinh: LALALALALA I can't hear you!
[13:38:14] Saviq: but when it's wide – say BBC PRIME
[13:38:29] kezza491: justinh: not good?
[13:38:38] justinh: Saviq: themes for the OSD generally assume the icon is square
[13:38:38] gbee: Saviq: most icons are not square, at least the ones most used with mythtv from lyngsat
[13:38:39] Saviq: it get's f**ed up
[13:38:48] gbee: justinh: mine don't ;)
[13:38:50] Saviq: yeah I know that now
[13:39:00] justinh: gbee: and I don't care since I don't use livetv :)
[13:39:18] mzb_d800: kezza491: you can't use irrecord because the IR receiver in the usb tuner is an input device
[13:39:57] kezza491: mzb_d800: i was told i could? how can i change the keystroke it sends then?
[13:40:03] mzb_d800: you have to bend over and magically pull the remote codes from somewhere
[13:40:15] mzb_d800: (sorry, can't recall how I did mine)
[13:40:16] gbee: I use the same aspect as the lyngsat icons to keep them in proportion, of course that doesn't prevent the OSD scaling from making them square again at some video aspects
[13:40:25] justinh: kezza491: you change the 'keystroke' by editing lircrc or .lircrc
[13:40:26] kezza491: mk
[13:40:46] justinh: slap whoever told you irrecord :)
[13:40:49] mzb_d800: the first round were wrong, and I changed them anyway (after correcting the errors in v4l-dvb)
[13:40:56] kezza491: justinh: but you said it would'nt work with the device
[13:41:06] justinh: so?
[13:41:22] gbee: we _could_ keep the icon aspect ratio with some code changes, but it might affect the design of some OSD themes
[13:41:52] gbee: Saviq: which OSD theme are you using?
[13:42:03] mzb_d800: the remote has to match the receiver ... to make it even more complicated, the code in v4l-dvb takes the whole approach even further
[13:42:22] kezza491: justinh: how could i uses lirc then?
[13:42:41] mzb_d800: kezza491: you will find that it works as an input device, and that you will need to use the devinput driver
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[13:42:44] black_Nightmare_: hey
[13:42:56] mzb_d800: (which is a relatively new approach)
[13:43:01] mzb_d800: black_Nightmare_: gday
[13:43:01] kezza491: mzb_d800: thats what i am using at current
[13:43:12] mzb_d800: right, so what's the problem?
[13:43:17] justinh: kezza491: where have you drawn the conclusion that since you can't use irrecord that lirc won't work?
[13:43:25] black_Nightmare_: how're you mzb? :p
[13:43:39] justinh: kezza491: 1. load the lirc module. 2. run lircd. 3. verify it recognises all the buttons using irw
[13:44:02] mzb_d800: terrible beer drought atm ... ok apart from that ;) ... and you?
[13:44:08] kezza491: it dose'nt seem to do anything i cant even run irrecord
[13:44:19] mzb_d800: ding ding
[13:44:19] justinh: kezza491: lirc sends keypresses to applications according to the .lircrc or ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[13:44:24] black_Nightmare_: heh doing ok..just have to go in a while but now just trying to find a motherboard
[13:44:46] black_Nightmare_: wish I knew a fair site that would list and/or review motherboards :/
[13:44:47] justinh: kezza491: muh I can't even run irrecord.. I've already said it's likely that won't even work with your device
[13:44:52] mzb_d800: kezza491: you can't use irrecord because the IR receiver in the usb tuner is an input device
[13:45:02] mzb_d800: (that's the 2nd time)
[13:45:06] black_Nightmare_: (tomhardware is crap...newegg doesn't even list all brands....etc .. why is there nothing like gpureview.com anyhow?)
[13:45:11] justinh: 2nd and last
[13:45:37] kezza491: Ahh k so how do i make it work becuase when i run irw i still just get charecters and nothing speical
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[13:46:00] mzb_d800: black_Nightmare_: tried a search for search engines? :) ... different for me, I know ... but I use staticeice.com.au (even wrote a firefox plugin for them ;)
[13:46:15] mzb_d800: s/staticice.com.au
[13:46:27] justinh: black_Nightmare_: AFAIK, only nvidia is worth considering for linux still unless you get lumbered with Intel
[13:46:56] black_Nightmare_: mzb..heh *looks*
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[13:47:26] black_Nightmare_: justinh..I've rather wanted amd processor anyhow so nvidia/via :p
[13:47:44] mzb_d800: good man;)
[13:47:55] directhex|bsp: amd is slow.
[13:48:25] black_Nightmare_: mzb..heh well partially from that one local store has several different 64 and 64x2's for quite cheap so :p
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[13:49:12] black_Nightmare_: but the motherboard..not sure between order from local or online yet
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[13:49:45] black_Nightmare_: mzb/justinh..just had to ask but heard of zogis or no?
[13:49:51] mzb_d800: no
[13:49:54] justinh: who?
[13:49:57] black_Nightmare_: figured
[13:50:13] mzb_d800: do we lose points now? :)
[13:50:17] levander: lumbered with Intel? Intel is that bad?
[13:50:36] mzb_d800: I think he meant GPU
[13:50:43] justinh: I did indeed
[13:50:43] mzb_d800: not cpu+chipsey
[13:50:46] mzb_d800: s/set
[13:50:47] levander: Yeah, Intel GPU's are that bad?
[13:50:48] black_Nightmare_: found out yesterday and wish I had known of them earlier....they sure sell nice geforce cards some of them at budget prices
[13:51:00] directhex|bsp: levander, for graphics? they use a bios mode-based system for setting video resolutions, which is very awkward for tv-out use
[13:51:30] levander: directhex|bsp: does sound wierd
[13:51:43] black_Nightmare_: barely $60 for a FX5500 agp as example
[13:51:57] directhex|bsp: black_Nightmare_, antiquity! how quaint
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[13:52:12] black_Nightmare_: directhex...not quite if you think about it
[13:52:14] justinh: I've already told my wife the bad news that the cable STB will likely be moving to AV2 from AV1 so I can use VGA-SCART
[13:52:15] mzb_d800: sounds expensive
[13:52:47] mzb_d800: I'd prefer an fx5200 for $20 delivered ... oh wait ... that's what I paid ;)
[13:52:48] justinh: not gonna hold my breath for svideo being worky on that new board of mine
[13:53:25] justinh: I'd rather not be forced to use IEGD if I can help it
[13:53:36] black_Nightmare_: mzb...not really... the 7600GS pci-e goes for barely a bit over $100 plus shipping anyhow
[13:53:37] mzb_d800: s/$/AU$/
[13:53:49] mzb_d800: (inc shipping)
[13:53:53] directhex|bsp: levander, essentially, the intel bios includes things like "mode 1 is 1024x768@60hz, mode 17 is 320x240@75hz" and so on.
[13:54:04] mzb_d800: (ok ok ... it was a 2nd hand cheapie off eBay;P)
[13:54:08] black_Nightmare_: so $60 sounds fair for the fx5500 especially when you consider that bare pcb boards are at least $20-$30 each (mass production price discount I dunno about)
[13:54:21] justinh: directhex|bsp: so does that mean custom modelines are out?
[13:54:24] levander: directhex|bsp: What is this HDMI on the motherboard I hear people mentioning, who's doing that? Is that Intel?
[13:55:05] mzb_d800: black_Nightmare_: perhaps, but the fx is two whole generations behind the $100+ card
[13:55:18] black_Nightmare_: mzb....well here's a hint... the stupid ti's go for over $200 too easily
[13:55:25] black_Nightmare_: and thats just not workable for some people (me especially)
[13:55:29] black_Nightmare_: :p
[13:55:33] levander: You can get $50 6200 cards at Newegg last I checked.
[13:55:38] mzb_d800: and you're probably not going to do much better (afaik) than either a 5200 or a 6200 on mythbox
[13:55:48] justinh: oh FFS. no custom modelines!!!! :(
[13:56:04] justinh: well, on i815 thru i915 anyway
[13:56:14] justinh: that's a bitch
[13:56:36] black_Nightmare_: mzb..and where is one even supposed to find these x200 cards? I never ever see them..just at least the 7600GS minimum if its pci-e
[13:57:19] mzb_d800: you should be able to find cheap 6-series pci-e
[13:57:38] black_Nightmare_: 6600 for $140?
[13:58:03] black_Nightmare_: (verus local 7600GS at only a shade past $100...not difficult to figure which to rather pick heh)
[13:58:26] black_Nightmare_: I swear...these ti's and some other wanting nvidia cards sure get weird premium prices
[13:58:52] justinh: hmm maybe 915resolution will be its salvation. cross everything
[13:58:55] mzb_d800: 6600 @ au$75
[13:59:13] ** justinh goes into a meeting **
[13:59:28] mzb_d800: 6200 (TC) @ au$55
[13:59:39] mzb_d800: I'm sure you could do better than that
[14:00:08] black_Nightmare_: not really (unless you kept pestering forum people till one can even find something for you from a little local shop near themself)
[14:00:21] black_Nightmare_: but I guess to our own location
[14:00:36] mzb_d800: mind you
[14:00:44] mzb_d800: 7200GS is au$33
[14:00:54] mzb_d800: so I concede ;(
[14:02:04] mzb_d800: 7600GS @ au$69 ... might have to upgrade to a pci-e system some day ... *sigh*
[14:02:08] black_Nightmare_: here's an interesting "highend budget" card if you would http://www.eaglebit.com/GeForce_8500GT_512MB_ . . . 70-00456.htm
[14:02:17] black_Nightmare_: lot of hardware features
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[14:02:47] black_Nightmare_: anyhow...sorry to cut this but I have to go now..dunno when will be back :p
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[14:18:55] directhex|bsp: justinh, custom modelines are only possible if you hack extra modes into the shadow video bios. this can be done wither using an app names 915resolution, or the experimental "intel" xorg driver (instead of i810) which has modesetting integrated
[14:19:29] directhex|bsp: levander, usually onboard video with hdmi is nvidia based
[14:20:31] fryfrog: thanks xris and kslater, i hadn't found those cost of living comparisons.
[14:21:33] kslater: np
[14:22:05] fryfrog: it looks like if they'd offer me the *top* end of what they've said, it would be close
[14:22:24] fryfrog: for SFO it says the increase in cost of living compared to where i am is nearly 100%, but the salary increase is only 20% :/
[14:22:31] kslater: fryfrog: which site gave the best info?
[14:22:36] fryfrog: but I am not sure if Palo Alto is cheaper
[14:22:57] fryfrog: kslater: actually, they were both very close to eachother in accuracy, but the *not* salary.com one had *way* more details
[14:23:06] fryfrog: like avg rent, avg cost of home, vet costs, etc
[14:23:06] kslater: Palo Alto? Isn't that Stanford territory?
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[14:23:16] fryfrog: sorry, i'm not a college person :(
[14:23:19] fryfrog: it is where facebook is
[14:23:40] fryfrog: i think i read an article about people liking stanford students more than facebook employees though
[14:23:43] fryfrog: so maybe? :)
[14:24:00] ** kslater goes off to see if he can dig up a contact in the Palo Alto area **
[14:24:17] fryfrog: i have a couple friends on the gallery project who live in SFO area
[14:24:28] fryfrog: bharat, the beneveolent dictator of gallery lives in menlo area
[14:24:59] fryfrog: but any info you could provide would be quite and happily welcome
[14:25:20] fryfrog: so far it seems like $1500–2000 for an apartment w/in 1mi of facebook seems close, but finding one might be hard
[14:25:29] fryfrog: (facebook gives $600/mo if you live w/in a mile)
[14:29:02] kslater: I have a buddy that used to live in SFO (Embarcadaro), he's relocated to Stanford / Palo Alto area. I'll email him about the cost of things
[14:29:12] fryfrog: thanks :)
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[14:29:31] kslater: basically, you're looking at Silicon valley and it's spendy to live out there.
[14:30:57] fryfrog: yeah, that i realized before... but just how much is now becoming obvious :)
[14:31:11] fryfrog: i don't think i could do it unless i had the $600 for living w/in a mile
[14:31:16] fryfrog: and i'm not sure how possible *that* is
[14:31:48] opello: you could always try to negotiate it
[14:32:01] fryfrog: oh, for sure, if they want me i will :)
[14:32:10] fryfrog: i'm still at the "unlikely" stage of things though :)
[14:32:13] opello: heh
[14:32:25] fryfrog: headhunter call, have an hr interview on thurs
[14:32:37] fryfrog: so like... step 1 or 2 out of like 5 or 8 :)
[14:32:49] opello: ahh :) sounds like it could be interesting though
[14:32:56] fryfrog: they said the pay range was 70–90, the head hunter suggested submitting at 70–80
[14:33:06] fryfrog: yeah, it'd be neat to say "hey, i work at facebook!" :)
[14:33:24] opello: heh, nice range – not sure about once you adjust for cost of living though
[14:33:28] fryfrog: but i *just* started a new position at Nokia, so if I don't get it... i'm okay
[14:33:43] fryfrog: well, 70 is +20% so it'd be like staying at what i make now
[14:33:57] fryfrog: cost of living suggests i would need to make 100k
[14:34:09] fryfrog: so 85–90 would probably work, 70 wouldn't
[14:34:18] fryfrog: guess we'll see :)
[14:34:21] opello: heh
[14:34:28] opello: good luck with it :)
[14:34:35] fryfrog: no point in talking money with them until they make any sort of offer
[14:34:42] opello: right
[14:34:52] fryfrog: thanks :)
[14:35:00] opello: nokia sounds like it would be more interesting than web development or server administration, heh
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[14:41:16] fysa: fryfrog
[14:41:22] fysa: did you get a free N810?
[14:41:24] fysa: :)
[14:41:53] gbee: covertart border a) http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/metallurgy_videobrowser3.png OR b) http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/metallurgy_videobrowser.png
[14:41:53] fryfrog: fysa: actually, i got an E61i, but i was asking about the N810 the other day
[14:42:03] fryfrog: aparantly there is a demo unit here somewhere
[14:42:14] fysa: I'm a recent N800 convert..
[14:42:21] fysa: haven't tried getting mythtv working on it yet though.
[14:42:28] fryfrog: i saw some pics on the internet, it looks neat
[14:43:04] fryfrog: on a totally unrelated note, i got my mythbox finally playing back HD w/o any problem
[14:43:11] fryfrog: the mistake was not using x-blit playbac
[14:43:21] fryfrog: er, xv-blit?
[14:43:23] fryfrog: or something like that
[14:43:27] fysa: and mplayer on it is quick enough to play 1500kbps XVID streams :)
[14:43:33] fryfrog: does anyone do much x264/h264 playback?
[14:43:52] fryfrog: is the linux on that phone hidden? or... totally open?
[14:44:00] fysa: www.maemo.org
[14:44:09] fysa: totally open. you can download the dev kit and boot it up in vmware.
[14:44:24] fysa: people have KDE and XFCE running on it.
[14:44:30] fryfrog: as long as i don't try to ffwd/rwd/pause h264/x264, that type of video plays fine. if i do one of the before mentioned, it chokes and dies :/
[14:44:33] fryfrog: wow
[14:44:38] fysa: (though they're not great with a stylus/thumb)
[14:44:46] fryfrog: ahha, i can imagine
[14:45:00] fysa: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008
[14:45:16] fryfrog: is it a custom linux distro? or is it based on something?
[14:45:27] fysa: Nokia-sponsored custom Linux distro
[14:45:31] fryfrog: ah
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[14:45:41] fryfrog: that domain is loading real slow through work proxy :/
[14:45:43] fysa: specifically for touch-based interfaces
[14:45:47] keith4: thoughts on today's woot?
[14:45:49] fryfrog: oh, wow!
[14:46:02] fryfrog: ah, there it goes
[14:46:28] fysa: The device has an insanely high dpi.
[14:46:34] fysa: 4.x" screen at 800x480
[14:46:44] jams: gbee b
[14:46:46] fryfrog: widescreen format?
[14:46:55] clever: who made the theme project greyhem? i forget
[14:46:57] fysa: so you can browse 'real' web sites with the built-in Firefox-based player.
[14:47:02] GreyFoxx: clever: justinh
[14:47:13] clever: ahh:)
[14:47:26] clever: idle 48mins
[14:47:28] fryfrog: humm, not quite 16:9
[14:47:34] fysa: I think there is a lirc-client interface for it..
[14:47:39] fysa: so you could use the touchscreen as a remote.
[14:47:45] fysa: not bad for $200 anyway.
[14:47:51] jams: GreyFoxx- any problems with making the button_defs for mythgame unique?
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[14:47:54] fryfrog: it has an ir transmitter?
[14:47:56] jams: if not i will post the patch
[14:48:20] fysa: trying to make it my coffee-table device. i.e., remote control everything, Gizmo Project for built-in telephone, always-on IM/IRC and RSS feeds..
[14:48:30] GreyFoxx: jams: nope
[14:48:38] fryfrog: it is a GSM device?
[14:48:39] fysa: no IR transmitter, 802.11g and bluetooth
[14:48:44] gbee: jams: thanks, that's what I've used everywhere else for that sort of stuff, but someone remarked the other day that it should use the same metal as the background
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[14:48:51] fysa: so you can get wifi or bluetooth modem via a phone.
[14:48:59] fysa: two SDHC slots for up to 32GB of storage..
[14:49:15] fysa: they have host mode working (hack) so you can plug USB hard drives/keyboards and such into t.
[14:49:16] stiev3: keith4, son, that's for suckers
[14:49:16] fysa: it.
[14:49:18] fryfrog: wait, i thought it was a phone?
[14:49:23] fysa: nope, 'internet tablet'
[14:49:29] fryfrog: ah, that'd splain it :)
[14:49:33] fysa: think of it as a laptop with a 4.5" screen and no keyboard
[14:49:34] GreyFoxx: gbee: I like how the lighter border highlights the picture
[14:49:43] fryfrog: it has a slide out kb, no?
[14:49:51] fysa: N800 has virtual touchscreen keyboard (decent)
[14:49:54] fysa: N810 has the slideout
[14:49:54] fryfrog: that would also explain why we don't have any
[14:50:07] fryfrog: we do intellisync mobile suite here where i am in nokia
[14:50:17] fryfrog: the thing that isn't blackberry :)
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[14:50:39] jams: gbee- well there you go..to people answered and you got to different opinions.
[14:50:46] jams: to/two
[14:50:54] fysa: I've heard mumblings of a smartphone version of the N8x0 with Intellisync support..
[14:51:19] fryfrog: i think i have too, with multi-touch screen and such?
[14:51:19] gbee: jams: err, you both went for the second link – b
[14:51:46] fysa: not sure
[14:53:38] fysa: http://melunkodev.blogspot.com/2007/09/mythtv-at-nokia-n800.html
[14:53:56] jams: gbee- to me the second one is a tad darker.
[14:53:56] gbee: jams: by that, I mean Greyfoxx picked b as well, Dibblah last night hadn't see the image, just suggested that it might work better
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[14:53:58] ** fysa stays on topic .. albeit loosely ;) **
[14:54:07] ttuttle: Do em28xx devices generally work well?
[14:54:43] jams: it doesn't matter..we both like b =)
[14:54:47] gbee: either way, I need to play with "b" a little, it should look more like the border in this screenshot – http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy/metallurgy51.png
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[14:56:17] ttuttle: I'm thinking about getting the Pinnacle PCTV HD Pro Stick. Will it work?
[14:57:18] code-r: i have a MCEUSB2 irc, whever i reboot it does not show up in my lsusb, i have to unplug it, and plug it into a DIFFERNT usb port, on boot i noticed some error messages about UNABLE TO READ somethign about idenfiers, any idea what thast all about?
[14:57:28] directhex|bsp: ttuttle, did you check the linuxtv dvb wiki?
[14:57:39] ttuttle: directhex|bsp: hmm
[14:57:40] directhex|bsp: ttuttle, generally, pinnacle are not linux-friendly
[14:57:44] ttuttle: directhex|bsp: lemme check
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[14:57:57] ttuttle: directhex|bsp: someone said the chipset (em28xx) should work, but i wanna know if anyone's tried it before dropping $75 on it.
[14:58:22] directhex|bsp: Experimental Support: Pinnacle PCTV HD Pro Stick (800e)
[14:58:28] code-r: "usb 2–1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2
[14:58:30] directhex|bsp: Pinnacle PCTV HD Stick ... looks to be the exact same as the "Pro" sans the remote and a/v cables
[14:58:50] ttuttle: directhex|bsp: okay
[14:59:02] code-r: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[14:59:24] directhex|bsp: ttuttle, you'll need to compile your own linux-dvb code from their hg repository
[14:59:28] fryfrog: ttuttle: why wouldn't you go with the tried and true pvr150s or pvr500s?
[14:59:30] ttuttle: directhex|bsp: okay
[14:59:34] ttuttle: fryfrog: are those usb?
[14:59:39] fryfrog: oh, no i guess not
[14:59:40] ttuttle: fryfrog: i've got a laptop.
[14:59:43] fryfrog: you can't do...
[14:59:43] fryfrog: ah
[14:59:48] directhex|bsp: fryfrog, the pvr150 is a usb atsc tuner now?
[14:59:49] ttuttle: fryfrog: i mean i'm not dumb, i wouldn't buy a usb one if i had pci slots ;-)
[14:59:57] fryfrog: ah :)
[15:00:04] fryfrog: gotta make sure!
[15:00:17] fryfrog: didn't plextor make a usb tuner that has good support in linux?
[15:00:23] fryfrog: although i think it was expensive :(
[15:00:26] ttuttle: are there any good ones? (preferably cheap?)
[15:00:37] fryfrog: i think it exported in mpeg4 format
[15:00:44] keith4: ttuttle: see the woot today?
[15:01:07] ttuttle: keith4: yes, that's what i'm looking at buying
[15:01:22] keith4: ah, i thought it was cheaper
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[15:02:32] ttuttle: Should I just buy one?
[15:02:40] ttuttle: Or is there a known better alternative?
[15:02:48] keith4: sure, don't use a laptop ;-)
[15:02:57] ttuttle: keith4: :-b
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[15:03:55] ttuttle: keith4: seriously — are there any good cheap usb tuners?
[15:04:04] keith4: for HD? dunno
[15:04:10] keith4: only HD tuner I have is pcHDTV5500
[15:04:56] ttuttle: anyone else? USB HD tuner?
[15:05:04] keith4: check the wiki
[15:06:37] ttuttle: ping?
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[15:08:31] Perdignus: Hello – are there any free IPTV services on the internet that can be added to my MythTV's lineup?
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[15:13:28] fryfrog: i have to suspect not?
[15:13:35] fryfrog: but it wouldnt be the first time i was wrong
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[15:51:09] Saviq: damn I'm starting to like mythtv's pvr possibilities :]
[15:52:08] Perdignus: Saviq just starting? Are you new to MythTV?
[15:54:00] sinthetek: anyone ever setup a hauppauge fm tuner? :P
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[15:54:31] sinthetek: having trouble getting mine to output sound with anything other than ivtv-radio
[15:55:05] Saviq: Perdignus: not new
[15:55:17] Saviq: but I've installed my dvb tuner for the first time
[15:56:49] Perdignus: HD ?
[15:58:39] Saviq: not yet
[15:58:50] Saviq: don't have a pc powerful enough
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[16:38:17] Hoxzer: Is it possible to scan for videos (mythvideo) on command line or/and insert IMDB id's ?
[16:39:04] visit0r: yep
[16:39:11] directhex|bsp: possible, yes. but there's no potted command AFAIK. it's sql jigging i'm afraid
[16:39:11] visit0r: there's a script for that
[16:39:23] visit0r: directhex|bsp: nope, I wrote find_meta.py for this
[16:39:25] directhex|bsp: imdb stuff there's a script of sorts
[16:39:34] directhex|bsp: visit0r, oh, handy. ick, python
[16:39:35] visit0r: directhex|bsp: find_meta.py is in SVN
[16:39:40] visit0r: python <3
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[16:41:29] Noble: oh my god
[16:41:34] Noble: I just upgraded my video card
[16:41:43] Noble: I used to have a geforce mx440
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[16:41:45] Noble: using tv out
[16:41:58] Noble: and i was fight ing with modelines etc trying to get the picture looking good
[16:42:09] Noble: i bought a 5950 ultra last night for $40
[16:42:15] Noble: the difference is UNBELIEVABLE
[16:42:23] Noble: no configuration changes, just swapped the hardware
[16:42:37] Noble: if anyone out ther eis using an mx440... stop it
[16:43:32] directhex|bsp: Noble, could have told you that
[16:43:54] Noble: i didn't know the tv hardware had improved
[16:44:03] Noble: i figured since i don't need 3d acceleration, my old card would do fine
[16:44:07] directhex|bsp: yes. round about the geforce 4 era, infact
[16:44:22] directhex|bsp: high end geforce 4 cards had a good encoder, crap ones had something muddy and horrible
[16:44:32] directhex|bsp: since then it's all okay
[16:44:45] directhex|bsp: there's a reason people recommend the fx5200 as an agp card, not a gf4 of any kind
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[16:46:00] Noble: yeah, i couldn't beat $40 for a 5950 ultra agp
[16:46:04] Noble: but its a bit loud
[16:46:08] directhex|bsp: yeah, no shit
[16:46:38] Noble: i was in here yesterday asking why 640x480 VESA looked better than 640x480 nvidia on my tv
[16:46:40] Noble: blew my mind
[16:46:54] Noble: i kept messing around with all the ntsc modelines I could find
[16:47:12] Noble: but the best results always came when i screwed something up and it defaulted back to vesa
[16:47:17] Noble: (ubuntu gutsy)
[16:47:33] Noble: so i'm just in a cheery mood today
[16:47:38] Noble: thought i'd share
[16:47:43] BULLE: Noble: might be that the tv realy likes VESA modes the best ?
[16:47:58] Noble: well now it looks best with my new video card
[16:48:05] Noble: vetter than i've ever seen on my tv
[16:48:09] Noble: better
[16:48:18] directhex|bsp: BULLE, vesa as in the x driver. 640x480 with one driver shouldn't look better than 640x480 with another
[16:48:35] BULLE: directhex|bsp: ah, i thought he mentioned different modelines
[16:48:50] Noble: vesa = no modelines
[16:51:57] sege: when running mythcommflag from commandline it shows up in job queue in mythfrontend, is it possible to get mythtranscode to do the same?
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[17:00:45] Noble: sorry, no idea there
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[17:07:31] Hoxzer: visit0r: what is the name of the script used for scanning the vidoes on command line
[17:08:49] visit0r: find_meta.py, if not renamed since I last touched it (haven't worked on if for quite a many months...)
[17:09:17] visit0r: it's under MythVideo/scripts or something in SVN
[17:09:26] visit0r: or contrib, cannot recall and don't have the sources handy
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[17:10:25] Hoxzer: Humm
[17:10:35] defaultro: hey folks, is there a plugin for youtube?
[17:10:52] Hoxzer: I thought it was used on mythfrontend to search for metadata for the movies. :\
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[17:11:29] iamlindoro_: mythstream
[17:11:49] visit0r: Hoxzer: no, it's for adding/searching metadata for your videos according to imdb ids in .nfos and such
[17:12:38] Hoxzer: visit0r: ok, and it does put them into database and then I can see them in the "watch videos" menu ?
[17:13:10] Noble: anyone know where i can find some guidance for setting up a dvb/nagra/cam setup so I can go straight from my dish receiver to my mythtv box?
[17:13:21] Hoxzer: ok, I study it
[17:13:28] visit0r: Hoxzer: yep
[17:13:33] visit0r: Hoxzer: and fetches posters also
[17:15:01] Hoxzer: Ok
[17:15:31] Hoxzer: I'm working on creating a mythvideo system that works better with "scene releases" (unrar for example)
[17:15:37] Hoxzer: and playlist if 2 cds
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[17:16:14] Hoxzer: :\ I got really annoyed with wierd CD names like fl-ffrotss-xvid.avi
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[17:16:55] visit0r: Hoxzer: yep, it works nicely with dvd-backups, sniffs imdb id from .nfo etc. of course for nothing illegal ;)
[17:16:57] defaultro: thanks iamlindoro. Hopefully the new mythstream is not hard to configure anymore.
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[17:17:23] iamlindoro_: I think it's not simple, but I do believe it still works, at least
[17:17:46] defaultro: yeah, i had to tweak a lot of things before
[17:18:04] defaultro: I should have documented what I did a year ago
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[17:26:12] ** justinh yawns **
[17:26:54] clever: having stuttering problems with livetv
[17:27:00] clever: 1.6ghz cpu
[17:27:03] clever: frame grabber
[17:27:12] clever: livetv is set for mpeg4 at 300kbit/sec
[17:27:33] clever: Cpu(s): 86.3% us, 10.1% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.1% hi, 3.5% si
[17:27:49] clever: be using 55% and fe 22%
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[17:28:36] justinh: framegrabber you say? LALALALA I can't hear you, I say
[17:28:46] clever: ahh
[17:28:51] clever: thats where the pm came from:P
[17:29:13] justinh: you sent me a PM
[17:29:33] justinh: No, sorry not interested in gayhem changes
[17:29:35] clever: yeah i got the beep but couldnt see what window caused it
[17:29:52] clever: the date in the recording list was getting cut off so i just made the column a tad wider
[17:29:58] justinh: to do changes I'd have to verify them and I can't bear to look at it
[17:30:01] clever: same for the time in upcoming recordings
[17:30:14] clever: lol
[17:30:23] clever: cant look at your own child?:P
[17:30:26] justinh: seriously
[17:30:30] justinh: it's NOT MINE
[17:30:32] justinh: :P
[17:30:48] clever: [28 08:46:59] <clever> who made the theme project greyhem? i forget
[17:30:49] clever: [28 08:47:06] <+GreyFoxx> clever: justinh
[17:31:12] clever: people seem to say otherwise:P
[17:31:50] justinh: as you can tell I'm not in the best of moods. nor would you be if you'd just been in a meeting for 3.5 hours where they asked questions you answered ad infinitum 18 months ago
[17:32:07] justinh: death by powerpoint
[17:32:15] clever: lol:)
[17:32:37] justinh: clever: I think I remember somebody saying he wasn't going to support certain themes anymore..
[17:32:37] clever: ive met some agrivatingly dumb people on irc
[17:33:06] Hoxzer: visit0r: it says I dont have mythtv-module where can I get it ?
[17:33:29] clever: justinh: dont realy need support, just thought id spread my fix to others(thru the source site)
[17:34:09] justinh: support/fixes/updates
[17:34:22] clever: lol
[17:34:25] justinh: chances are you know it'll be fine if you run X at 100DPI
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[17:34:39] clever: how do i check what my dpi is again?
[17:34:40] visit0r: Hoxzer: it's there, you just need to put it somewhere in PYTHONPATH
[17:34:43] clever: i thought i allready fixed that
[17:34:49] visit0r: Hoxzer: the mythtv.py or something
[17:34:57] justinh: xdpyinfo |grep dots
[17:35:08] clever: resolution: 75x75 dots per inch
[17:35:08] clever: resolution: 100x100 dots per inch
[17:35:24] justinh: which one is it then?
[17:35:26] clever: :0.1 is the 100dpi screen
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[17:35:30] clever: and :0.1 is for myth
[17:35:40] justinh: works fine here (tm)
[17:35:47] clever: also the theme was just fine till the month AND day became 2 digits each
[17:36:02] justinh: I dont want to sound like I don't care or anything, but I don't care :)
[17:36:06] clever: which brought it to 5 chars for the month/day
[17:36:18] clever: lol:)
[17:36:19] Hoxzer: visit0r: yeah, I see it
[17:36:55] justinh: I'm seriously frazzled after that meeting. oh man. and without their smart totty to ogle too :(
[17:37:09] visit0r: Hoxzer: it should find it if you execute the find_meta.py at that directory, IIRC
[17:37:16] clever: justinh: take a beer break?:P
[17:37:17] justinh: back on the other side..
[17:37:23] kslater: fryfrog: ping
[17:37:32] ** iamlindoro_ googles totty **
[17:37:35] justinh: beer break when I have to drive 35 miles home? pfft
[17:37:37] iamlindoro_: ah, like Hottie.  ;)
[17:37:53] clever: justinh: public transportation/taxi?
[17:37:59] Hoxzer: visit0r: doesn't seem to wanna find it :\
[17:38:05] clever: or just have the beer when you get home
[17:38:18] Hoxzer: well, I symlink it to python-2.4 lets see what happens
[17:40:41] visit0r: Hoxzer: export PYTHONPATH=$PATHTOTHEFILE
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[17:41:20] Hoxzer: do I need to have right password for database somewhere else than mythtv configuration dir ?
[17:41:42] Hoxzer: because MythTV.py seems to get access denied
[17:41:45] visit0r: Hoxzer: in ~/.mythtv/mythtv.txt or something, IIRC
[17:42:39] visit0r: mysql.txt
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[17:51:29] Hoxzer: :\ yes...
[17:51:36] Hoxzer: it seems to fail
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[17:52:20] visit0r: Hoxzer: do you have all set in mysql.txt, host including?
[17:52:42] Noble: anyone know where i can find some guidance for setting up a dvb/nagra/cam setup so I can go straight from my dish receiver to my mythtv box?
[17:54:19] Hoxzer: Ok, Got it done
[17:54:28] Hoxzer: :\ it tried to look it in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt I think
[17:54:38] Hoxzer: commeted that line and it works now
[17:55:30] iamlindoro_: Noble: Probably not here, since it's off-topic/illegal
[17:56:21] defaultro: do we have DVB here in U.S.?
[17:56:42] iamlindoro_: No, not really
[17:56:56] iamlindoro_: We are predominantly ATSC with a few exceptions
[17:56:59] Hoxzer: visit0r: yeah, a succesful run thx for your time
[17:57:59] Dibblah: Can I laugh uproriously, please?
[17:58:09] Dibblah: "Just use HAL"...
[17:58:26] Dibblah: That'll be the HAL that doesn't do DVB at all, right?
[17:58:35] Noble: oh, i thought i'd still use the dvb hardware if i were able to get all the other pieces lined up
[17:58:39] visit0r: Hoxzer: np, hope you find the script useful and can improve on it
[17:59:09] iamlindoro_: Noble, nope, no legal way of doing that in the US
[17:59:15] Noble: damn dmca
[17:59:24] iamlindoro_: sadly :(
[17:59:31] iamlindoro_: Because believe me, I would be on that in a SECOND
[17:59:35] Noble: even though i pay for my service :(
[17:59:43] Noble: yeah... pure digital?
[18:00:03] Noble: it's enough to keep me from cancelling my service\
[18:00:48] Noble: otherwise... whats a good cheap ota usb hdtv tuner?
[18:00:59] Noble: since i basically just watch ota channels anyway
[18:01:11] iamlindoro_: Well, does it have to be USB? Becase the HDHomeRun is supposed to be good, but it's a network device
[18:01:12] seth|work: air2pc they go for like $40 on ebay
[18:01:20] Noble: i'm so out of pci slots
[18:01:25] seth|work: oh nevermind you said usb
[18:01:27] seth|work: sorry
[18:01:35] Noble: network is okay too
[18:01:43] iamlindoro_: yeah, take a look at the HDHomeRun
[18:02:16] Noble: but i'm fighting an old mb, which means i've got a sound card, a network card, a video card that takes up two slots, usb/sata
[18:02:33] Noble: ... something else... oh... scsi
[18:05:26] Saviq: hmm guys.. I was sure that I'd be able to watch a show that's being recorded... can't I?
[18:06:11] iamlindoro_: Sure
[18:06:25] iamlindoro_: Media Library -> Watch Recordings
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[18:06:36] Saviq: and my rec isn't there..
[18:06:49] iamlindoro_: Then you have bigger problems or your filter set wrong
[18:06:54] Noble: then it probably isn't recording ;)
[18:07:01] Saviq: yes it is
[18:07:18] Saviq: I can hear it is recording ;]
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[18:07:23] Saviq: and MythWelcome says it is
[18:07:24] Noble: hmm
[18:07:33] iamlindoro_: Then check your filter
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[18:08:15] Saviq: aaah here it is
[18:08:27] Saviq: under 'all programs'...
[18:08:47] Saviq: thanks, I'm still working it all out..
[18:08:52] AzalynIII: Hello. I've been reading on the wiki and googling around, but let me see if I got this right. If I buy one of these pcHDTV HD5500 cards, and get the correct CAM module (and use the smartcard from my sat provider), then I could plug the coax from my satellite dish directly into the card, and use my PC as a receiver/pvr with MythTV?
[18:09:18] iamlindoro_: No
[18:09:19] GreyFoxx: the pchdtv doesn't do Sat
[18:09:24] GreyFoxx: you need a dvbs card
[18:09:34] AzalynIII: it doesn't do DVB ?
[18:09:38] GreyFoxx: Not DVB-S
[18:09:46] GreyFoxx: It's an ATSC/QAM card
[18:10:00] GreyFoxx: so over the air, or over coax digital
[18:10:02] iamlindoro_: And if you're in the US, then your answer is "just plain no."  :)
[18:10:12] AzalynIII: I'm in Canada.
[18:10:18] AzalynIII: I was thinking about Bell ExpressVu
[18:11:02] GreyFoxx: they don't provide CAMS anymore :/ and there are maybe 4 channels in the clear
[18:11:15] GreyFoxx: most of those are add channels for the movie channels and such
[18:11:55] GreyFoxx: If they allowed people to buy them then I'd have one tomorrow
[18:13:03] GreyFoxx: In fact they would gain a lot of customers who currently get it via other methods
[18:13:08] Noble: its not even possible in canada?!
[18:13:18] Noble: they're all crazies there!
[18:13:19] defaultro: just got back, sorry
[18:13:19] AzalynIII: can't you get a cam from a third party? i mean all you need is a cam that supports their encryption format, right?
[18:13:29] AzalynIII: what i read is that Bell uses "nagravision"
[18:13:37] GreyFoxx: nagra2
[18:13:47] GreyFoxx: and there are no publically saleable cams for it
[18:13:56] AzalynIII: no where in the world?
[18:14:01] GreyFoxx: nope
[18:14:19] GreyFoxx: It's mainly used by dishnet and bell
[18:14:25] GreyFoxx: and noone sells cams for it
[18:14:50] Noble: i've tried to find the stuff to do it myself... no luck
[18:15:03] Noble: i also couldn't find a cam
[18:15:18] Noble: i was willing to break the laws with no remores... but the hardware just doesn't seem to exist
[18:15:21] Noble: remorse
[18:16:20] AzalynIII: :\
[18:16:40] Noble: does anyone know if the hauppauge hvr-950 is supported by mythtv, i can't find it on the wiki
[18:16:50] AzalynIII: what does videotron use for their digital cable?
[18:17:02] AzalynIII: QAM ?
[18:17:05] Noble: sorry, no idea
[18:17:18] AzalynIII: maybe i should switch when my contract with bell is up.
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[18:17:45] iamlindoro_: yes, HVR-950 appears supported
[18:18:17] GreyFoxx: AzalynIII: Yes it's qam, but I don't know what they do or don't encrypt on the wire
[18:18:42] GreyFoxx: There are so many "maybes" when it comes to getting digital signal
[18:19:19] GreyFoxx: You MIGHT get channels in the clear over QAM, you MIGHT be able them or just the encrypted ones via Firewire on a settop box,
[18:19:35] Noble: sweet, thats an OTA hd tuner for $59.99 on amazon
[18:20:19] GreyFoxx: If bell and dishnet started selling cams they would CLEAN UP on the home pvr market which are people who pursue the not so legal methods of getting the stuff free
[18:20:34] GreyFoxx: hmm I didn't word that right
[18:21:03] GreyFoxx: they would clean up with the home pvr market that is currently grabbing the signal using non bell/dishnet controlled methods :)
[18:21:25] Noble: GreyFoxx: seriously
[18:21:38] GreyFoxx: There are a heeck of a lot of ppeople who would switch to Sat and or drop the pvr cards reading the analog outputs of their receivers
[18:21:47] Noble: it's not like their shows aren't already getting pirated
[18:22:03] GreyFoxx: and a lot of those same people who are recording via analog outputs would likely pay for the hd channels if they can get the hd signals directly
[18:22:16] Noble: they'r enot preventing anything except for paying customers being able to watch the content they paid for in the way they want to
[18:22:28] Noble: but bitching about it in here isn't going to change that
[18:22:56] GreyFoxx: Now I'm lucky, I have tons of unencrypted channels via QAM, and all channels I subscribe too including HDTV are recordable via firewire
[18:23:05] GreyFoxx: but for most people it's not so good
[18:23:34] Noble: yeah, i tried to go that way... all i could get was the gameshow network
[18:23:37] AzalynIII: I was willing to invest in a dvb card and a cam to be able to watch sat on my pc, and record stuff..
[18:23:50] AzalynIII: but i'm not sure what to do now
[18:23:57] Noble: and if i tuned to an encrypted channel my cable box stopped responding to channel change requests over firewire
[18:24:00] AzalynIII: all i can do is use s-video.
[18:24:01] AzalynIII: heh
[18:24:12] AzalynIII: to capture
[18:24:29] Noble: AzalynIII: svideo, exactly... also get an OTA hdtv card... and boycott cable/satellite
[18:24:46] AzalynIII: unfortunately there aren't many ota channels here
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[18:25:12] GreyFoxx: AzalynIII: A lot of poeple use PVR cards to record the analog output of their sat receivers
[18:25:47] GreyFoxx: Noble: Doh
[18:26:02] GreyFoxx: My cableco are pretty enlightened and go out of their way to make sure firewire out works
[18:26:07] GreyFoxx: they just don't "support it"
[18:26:19] GreyFoxx: if you can't get it going tough, but if you can then yay!
[18:32:42] AzalynIII: GreyFoxx: yeah, that's all i could do.
[18:33:13] AzalynIII: i was thinking of getting the hd5500 just for that initially, even though i could get another card that does just analog for cheaper.
[18:33:30] AzalynIII: i wanted to support them since they specialize in linux.
[18:33:37] AzalynIII: also, i figured the card would be future-proof
[18:33:39] iamlindoro_: hd 5500 for analog only = very bad idea
[18:33:52] AzalynIII: if the OTA options got better in the future, i'd have it already in the card.
[18:34:06] AzalynIII: iamlindoro: why, because it doesn't have an mpeg encoder?
[18:34:17] iamlindoro_: because it's a framegrabber
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[18:34:56] AzalynIII: i was never clear on the difference between 'capture card' and 'frame grabber' :\
[18:35:08] iamlindoro_: frame grabbers are a subset of capture cards
[18:35:13] iamlindoro_: but they suck
[18:35:32] iamlindoro_: because they lack hardware encoding, and piggyback on the sound card to do audio capture
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[18:36:01] iamlindoro_: and offload processing onto your CPU
[18:36:02] AzalynIII: ok, so it would introduce some cpu overhead..
[18:36:24] iamlindoro_: And audio sync issues...
[18:36:27] AzalynIII: i imagine the reason it works fine for HD programming is because the signal is already mpeg right?
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[18:36:44] GreyFoxx: AzalynIII: Where are you ? You might be able to use the 5500 to pull some HDTV over the air
[18:36:45] iamlindoro_: correct, it just takes a raw stream and writes it to disk
[18:36:57] AzalynIII: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui . . . tcode=h7x1y1
[18:37:03] AzalynIII: GreyFoxx: I checked on that site.
[18:37:09] AzalynIII: only 14 channels near me.
[18:37:19] AzalynIII: the rest are in ottawa on rogers' network.
[18:37:23] AzalynIII: :\
[18:37:36] GreyFoxx: Only?
[18:37:40] AzalynIII: iamlindoro: are the audio sync issues that bad?
[18:37:43] GreyFoxx: 14 free HDTV channels is a lot more than most get
[18:38:10] iamlindoro_: AzalynIII, they can be issues, yes
[18:38:24] AzalynIII: GreyFoxx: they're interlaced, and quite a few are actually 480i..
[18:38:30] AzalynIII: so they're not all hd.
[18:39:42] AzalynIII: iamlindoro: so which card would you recommend?
[18:39:55] iamlindoro_: For analog? A PVR-150 or 500
[18:40:19] iamlindoro_: The HD 5500 is a fantaqstic card if you plan to do ATSC or QAM with it, but not for analog
[18:40:44] GreyFoxx: AzalynIII: Looking at those channels that;s a nice amount available in the clear and OTA.
[18:40:49] GreyFoxx: I use an A180
[18:40:54] GreyFoxx: It does ATSC and QAM
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[18:41:09] Yggdrasil: Hello, can somone here help me with mythmusic stuff ?
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[18:44:33] iamlindoro_: yggdrasil, probably better just to ask a question than to qait for someone to volunteer
[18:44:42] Yggdrasil: oh yea
[18:44:46] Yggdrasil: sorry got to reading
[18:44:47] Yggdrasil: well
[18:44:51] AzalynIII: iamlindoro: what if i intend to use it for analog only right now, but i'd like it to support HD (atsc/qam) since i might use it in the future?
[18:44:56] Yggdrasil: mythmusic playlists suck
[18:45:08] Yggdrasil: i have all my music sorted into directorys.
[18:45:10] AzalynIII: any recommendations?
[18:45:21] Yggdrasil: and not all the id3 tags are correct.
[18:45:24] iamlindoro_: AzalynIII: You can do what you like, just know what you're getting in to, and that it will stink for analog.
[18:45:35] Yggdrasil: is there any way to make playlists of each directory ?
[18:45:50] iamlindoro_: Yggdrasil, nope, mythmusic playlists pretty much just suck in general :)
[18:46:01] Yggdrasil: well ok im reading about some stuff
[18:46:05] Yggdrasil: then im gonna research it
[18:46:09] Yggdrasil: cant be that friggin hard
[18:46:19] iamlindoro_: yggddrasil: and there is a settings to enable use of ID3 tags, but I don't have my myth box in front of me to tell you where that is
[18:46:22] squidly: Yggdrasil: why not update the plugin to have a new playlist module
[18:46:29] Yggdrasil: intersting
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[18:46:42] Yggdrasil: squidly whats meant by "a new playlist module" ?
[18:47:00] squidly: a ment to say a new playlist in the module
[18:47:07] squidly: make a new playlist editor
[18:47:08] druggo: hey i just update v4l-dvb to support a DVB-T card i also have in my box, but now my hauppage PVR-250 dont get recognised, please advise
[18:47:21] Yggdrasil: wait a second im looking at something here
[18:47:46] Yggdrasil: This is a PHP script that converts an M3U playlist to a MythMusic playlist (MythMusic playlists are stored in a MySQL database).
[18:48:04] Yggdrasil: i used a a cli playlist maker to go thru all my directorys and create playlists in one folder
[18:48:16] Yggdrasil: so each folder has a playlist and the playlist is stored in the playlists directory
[18:48:29] druggo: i get ivtv: disagrees about version of symbol video_unregister_device in dmesg
[18:48:31] Yggdrasil: if i can use that script to convert those into the the db i hsould be cool.
[18:48:33] iamlindoro_: druggo, you upgraded to experimental drivers?
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[18:49:59] iamlindoro_: If so then it's unlikely anyone will have great advice for you... using experimental drivers breaks things, potentially.
[18:50:08] druggo: some driver by a guy named manu, who wrote some drivers for my dvt-t card
[18:50:22] AzalynIII: iamlindoro: the hvr-1600 has an mpeg encoder
[18:50:32] iamlindoro_: Azalyn, yes, and no support.
[18:50:38] iamlindoro_: yet
[18:50:39] AzalynIII: really? :\
[18:50:49] iamlindoro_: yup. It's coming, though
[18:50:59] AzalynIII: i thought hauppage always had good linux support.
[18:51:09] iamlindoro_: Hauppauge doesn't do a damn thing :)
[18:51:21] iamlindoro_: but the linuxtv people are great about writing drivers for it, yet
[18:51:22] iamlindoro_: er yes
[18:52:03] druggo: so how can i undo the installation of the drivers, and go to a stable version?
[18:52:27] iamlindoro_: druggo, probably make uninstall from your source dir, download a stable version, ccompile and install it
[18:52:40] druggo: hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb is that considered stable?
[18:53:20] iamlindoro_: Any development version isn't going to be exactly "stable." release versions are stable.
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[19:32:01] mytho-x: Hi, anyone here using more then 2 HD tuner cards?
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[19:32:21] iamlindoro_: I am
[19:33:07] mytho-x: iamlindoro: what type of hardware do you use?
[19:33:30] iamlindoro_: HD 5500 x 2, Kworld 115 x 1
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[19:33:42] fryfrog: I used to do 2x HD tuners and 2x firewire STBs that did HD and SD, not sure if that counts for you?
[19:34:13] mytho-x: well currently I am using a HD 3000 and a pvr-150
[19:34:27] fryfrog: currently, pvr500 and 1x air2pc card
[19:34:33] fryfrog: that is HD3000, right?
[19:34:47] mytho-x: I was wondering what type of proc I may need to do 4 HD 5500 tuners
[19:34:57] fryfrog: proc is not the worry
[19:34:58] iamlindoro_: 0 proc
[19:34:59] iamlindoro_: :)
[19:35:07] iamlindoro_: since all it does is dump the stream to the disk
[19:35:10] fryfrog: it is already mpeg2, basically it just sends it right to disk
[19:35:16] fryfrog: and "HD" is only like 2mb/sec
[19:35:18] mytho-x: well, very little to dump the stream
[19:35:28] mytho-x: it takes alot to play back and transcode
[19:35:28] fryfrog: which pretty much any disk can handle no problem
[19:35:39] fryfrog: it takes a lot for the *frontend* to play back
[19:35:56] fryfrog: and yeah, transcoding would be cpu intensive (i dunno if i'd ever do it)
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[19:36:10] mytho-x: yes, and I have a combo front end and backend
[19:36:12] fryfrog: I imagine the cheapest dual core from now-a-days would be fine
[19:36:15] fryfrog: ahhh!
[19:36:18] fryfrog: now i see!
[19:36:19] iamlindoro_: I transcode my HD stuff to 720p x.264
[19:36:31] fryfrog: iamlindoro_: with *myth*?
[19:36:38] iamlindoro_: With a user job
[19:36:44] bsdfox: iamlindoro has a good script for it :)
[19:36:45] fryfrog: ah, neat
[19:36:45] mytho-x: the box currently have a AMD 64 3200+
[19:36:53] iamlindoro_: bsdfox, thanks ;)
[19:36:57] bsdfox: mytho-x: that's what I'm using for my backend
[19:37:00] bsdfox: works fine
[19:37:06] bsdfox: and a 4 disc raid0 array
[19:37:11] mytho-x: yes, it works fine for the two tuners I have now
[19:37:14] fryfrog: that is what i was using for an HD front end
[19:37:31] fryfrog: i recently got an amd64 X2 4600+ for like $70
[19:37:39] fryfrog: prolly would be worth it if you were doing a fe/be
[19:37:40] mytho-x: I am considering replacing the proc with an X2 4200+
[19:37:50] iamlindoro_: mytho-x, that box would only be physically "playing" one HD stream at a time... even if you were streaming a bunch of others, that's till not going to put a serious hit on your processor
[19:37:52] fryfrog: yeah, that'd be enough imho
[19:37:57] iamlindoro_: I think you're good
[19:38:02] fryfrog: yeah, exactly what iamlindoro_
[19:38:09] mytho-x: as it is a socket 939 that seems to be a limit
[19:38:23] fryfrog: but having an X2 cpu would give you some head room and let you also transcode / commflag easily at the same time
[19:38:35] fryfrog: 939 X2s go pretty high afair?
[19:39:00] fryfrog: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+
[19:39:11] fryfrog: turns out it was a 4200+ I got, just like you were speaking of
[19:39:24] mytho-x: yeah, that and maybe a couple of newer / faster drives and I should be ok
[19:39:27] fryfrog: and... really, it was a mistake in my mythtv setup that prompted me to get it... the X2 is retarded overkill :(
[19:39:42] fryfrog: i doubt you need newer/faster drives, but maybe a couple more identical ones
[19:39:48] fryfrog: you could do one of a few things...
[19:39:51] bsdfox: I'm actually about to move my 3200+ system as my fileserver and I don;t know what I'll use for my mythbackend. I've got a p2–450 I wish I could use but I think it's too slow to capture 4 streams at once
[19:39:55] fryfrog: use recording groups from svn trunk
[19:40:13] fryfrog: I did 4x PVR250s in an amd 1600+
[19:40:21] fryfrog: not that that is anywhere near a p2–450
[19:40:33] mytho-x: I am just concerned if I playback 2 streams if I get a 2nd frontend
[19:40:35] fryfrog: 2) raid5 or 3) maybe lvm
[19:40:45] iamlindoro_: My trouble is less and less having enough tuners and more and more finding anything worth watching :)
[19:40:50] fryfrog: mytho-x: HD or SD, it aint no thang for 1 or 2 drives
[19:40:52] mytho-x: but then again that should not be a problem as the other frontend would handle it
[19:41:11] mytho-x: ok, thanks guys, I guess I am just over thinking things again
[19:41:13] fryfrog: mytho-x: also, unless you are recording for like an entire household... you'll prolly find that 4th tuner *never* doing anything :(
[19:41:21] fryfrog: mytho-x: nah, they are valid thoughts
[19:41:33] mytho-x: I am recording for my household
[19:41:37] iamlindoro_: Better to overthink than underthink, come in here and bitch about how myth sucks 'cause you can't read ;)
[19:41:39] fryfrog: I used to have 4x PVR250s, but sold 1 when after a few months i realized i never used em :/
[19:41:50] fryfrog: er, it
[19:41:54] mytho-x: there are times when record 4 shows at once
[19:41:56] fryfrog: mytho-x: are you doing QAM or OTA HD?
[19:42:05] mytho-x: I have two replaytv units as well
[19:42:05] fryfrog: ah, cool, then you knjow you need it :)
[19:42:25] mytho-x: I want to get rid of the replays to be a little more green
[19:42:53] mytho-x: I currently use the hd300 for OTA and the pvr 150 for analog cable
[19:43:06] fryfrog: ah
[19:43:49] mytho-x: and of course the two replays with analog cable
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[19:44:55] fryfrog: I think I am going to goto Comcast and get a pair of HD *tuners* from them and try that again with firewire
[19:45:03] fryfrog: so far, it has been my favorite way of doing myth
[19:45:17] fryfrog: if it works, i'd sell my 2 air2pc cards, pvr250 and pvr500 :)
[19:45:33] rambo3: thats junk
[19:45:50] fryfrog: whats junk?
[19:45:57] rambo3: pvr250 and pvr500
[19:46:06] fryfrog: i didn't say i'd sell em for much :p
[19:46:11] fryfrog: and why do you say junk?
[19:46:18] iamlindoro_: I think they're perfectly good cards
[19:46:22] fryfrog: i mean, 250 is old but... pvr 500 is still for sale
[19:46:31] fryfrog: they are great cards, for teh analogs
[19:46:38] mytho-x: my pvr150 works great for analog
[19:46:53] fryfrog: signal quality on my 500 is *very* good too
[19:46:59] mytho-x: I just prefer the HD from HD3000
[19:47:00] fryfrog: not that that depends on the card really
[19:47:04] fryfrog: me too :)
[19:47:20] fryfrog: is "HD3000" an air2pc card? I never remember the model of the one i have.
[19:47:29] iamlindoro_: not as though they're framegrabbers-- they PVR x50s are by far the most frequently used cards. Not junk at all.
[19:47:52] mytho-x: air2pc is different than the HD3000
[19:47:58] fryfrog: one of my air2pc and my 250 is just sitting on my table :(
[19:48:09] fryfrog: humm, who makes the air2pc card i have, it has a simliar model
[19:48:14] fryfrog: like HD5000 or something
[19:48:19] iamlindoro_: 5500
[19:48:24] fryfrog: pcHDTV is 5000 or?
[19:48:46] mytho-x: pchdtv makes the 2000, 3000, and 5500
[19:48:52] fryfrog: ah
[19:48:59] fryfrog: what is the diff
[19:49:01] fryfrog: ?
[19:49:20] iamlindoro_: little, functionally speaking... I think it got less expensive as they revised
[19:49:24] mytho-x: the 5500 is their newest card
[19:49:30] mytho-x: and is a low profile card
[19:49:39] fryfrog: ah
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[19:51:21] rambo3: my next card will be FloppyDTV , i have pvr500 and skystar2
[19:51:39] fryfrog: what is "FloppyDTV"?
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[19:52:21] mytho-x: I wish I could fine a low profile dual HD tuner card
[19:52:34] fryfrog: are there even *high* profile dual tuners?
[19:52:52] iamlindoro_: could use a hdhomerun
[19:52:54] mytho-x: only dual tuners with one analog and one HD
[19:53:03] iamlindoro_: that's dual hd, but external
[19:53:18] rambo3: fryfrog, http://www.firedtv.com/FloppyDTV/tabid/314/Default.aspx
[19:53:48] mytho-x: right, but will the hdhomerun work well with recording 4 shows at once and transferring it over ethernet?
[19:54:04] mytho-x: I was considering it as an option
[19:54:10] iamlindoro_: Sure, not a big deal as long as you have 100 Mbit or so
[19:54:25] rambo3: "FloppyDTV can also be used to extend your HTPC to a multi tuner solution with digital TV. "
[19:54:31] mytho-x: I actually have 2 1Gbit on my myth box now
[19:54:48] iamlindoro_: yeah, you'd be totally fine.. again, it's just dumping streams straight onto the box
[19:54:49] BULLE: rambo3: no linux drivers, and company refuse to hand out specs
[19:54:55] BULLE: rambo3: so you cant use floppyDTV in linux
[19:55:16] rambo3: i ain't using this software for the good htpc
[19:55:54] BULLE: rambo3: well, from what i have heard, the *DTV thingies work like a charm, as long as you run windows and mce
[19:56:16] fryfrog: ah, winblows only, kthxbai
[19:56:21] BULLE: fryfrog: indeed
[19:56:30] rambo3: Yeah i can run chess titans with windows mce
[19:56:36] BULLE: fryfrog: its a bit sad though, as it connects to your computer via firewire
[19:56:46] fryfrog: yeah, seems like it'd work in linux pretty easy
[19:56:51] fryfrog: are they just to lazy or?
[19:57:18] BULLE: fryfrog: earlier the manufacturer said they were working on linux drivers, and promised them, then retracted the claim, and now refuse to help at all
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[19:57:34] rambo3: i think they get yearly bonus from microsoft if they dont make it Linux compatible
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[19:57:59] fryfrog: haha, that'd do it :)
[19:58:08] fryfrog: if ms paid me not to do something, i'd probably not do it :)
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[20:00:41] iamlindoro_: On the floppydtv forums, the devs are soliciting interest in linux support
[20:00:48] iamlindoro_: 11/14/2007, so it's recent
[20:01:07] mytho-x: I think the hdhomerun my be the answer for me as it is cheaper than 4 HD5500 cards
[20:01:09] fryfrog: maybe someone should digg it :)
[20:01:21] fryfrog: have you considered STBs and firewire?
[20:01:32] fryfrog: that way, you can pay for 4 new cards every 6 months or less :p
[20:01:40] BULLE: iamlindoro_: oh, they have done that in the past atleast two times
[20:01:50] iamlindoro_: Bulle: ah, didn't have that context
[20:01:56] BULLE: iamlindoro_: then in the end, just silently dropped it
[20:01:56] iamlindoro_: didn't knwo
[20:02:00] iamlindoro_: bummer
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[20:02:10] BULLE: iamlindoro_: lots of people got pissed off, as they bought the cards when they said linux drivers were comming
[20:02:15] mytho-x: I want to stay away from STB's
[20:02:16] ** BULLE was close to buying one **
[20:02:31] iamlindoro_: yeah, found the old thread from 05
[20:02:50] BULLE: iamlindoro_: but i would be happy, if it actualy showed up
[20:03:01] BULLE: iamlindoro_: care to past url to the new thread ?
[20:03:03] ** BULLE is intrested **
[20:03:14] iamlindoro_: sure, hang on
[20:03:25] fryfrog: mytho-x: ah, their monthly cost is annoying... but getting *all* the HD and SD channels in "digital" is pretty nice, instead of just 5–6 FTA HD and 70ish analog
[20:03:28] iamlindoro_: Their site is molasses
[20:03:34] iamlindoro_: http://www.firedtv.com/Forums/tabid/311/forum . . . Default.aspx
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[20:03:40] BULLE: iamlindoro_: thanks
[20:03:54] iamlindoro_: np
[20:04:18] mytho-x: fryfrog: I have considered it, but that gives comcast more money
[20:04:47] BULLE: iamlindoro_: its a bit silly though, as the linux kernel dev people have this drive, where they kind of promise to write a driver for linux, if you give them the hardware ......
[20:04:52] BULLE: iamlindoro_: so its not like its a big cost to them
[20:04:57] fryfrog: mytho-x: yeah, lame to a high degree
[20:04:57] mytho-x: fryfrog: I really cannot stand comcast and would prefer to not do business with them at all. My wife wants the other channels though
[20:05:16] iamlindoro_: Yeah, I'm sure it's a matter of not wanting to release specs for whatever reason
[20:05:22] fryfrog: mytho-x: what i did was just get 1 or 2 STBs, and supliment it with HD QAM / OTA and analog pvr cards
[20:05:50] fryfrog: that way, the 2 stbs got all the shows on non-free channels, the other cards picked up what they could
[20:06:03] fryfrog: but still, comcast sucks and it put more $$ in their stupid pockets :(
[20:06:07] mytho-x: fryfrog: If I can buy a house soon I will get a 6' dish and go the 4dtv route
[20:06:15] fryfrog: 4dtv?
[20:06:23] BULLE: fryfrog: i had horrible problems managing to get the backend to understand certain tuners only had certain channels, i never solved the issue in 0.20.2 and gave up
[20:06:31] BULLE: fryfrog: has that been remedied in newer svn versions ?
[20:06:36] fryfrog: nfi :(
[20:06:40] BULLE: nfi ?
[20:06:47] fryfrog: I had a pair of DCT6412s that were unstable as heck
[20:06:50] fryfrog: no-fucking-idea :)
[20:06:53] BULLE: ah
[20:06:58] fryfrog: i got about 50% success rate
[20:07:05] BULLE: only solution i could come up with was to add the channels again, and again, for each tuner
[20:07:09] BULLE: so i had like 3 channel 3
[20:07:10] fryfrog: when a recording recorded (or was good), it was awesome
[20:07:13] fryfrog: oh?
[20:07:14] mytho-x: fryfrog: it is a sat box with card, you can subscribe to almost everything for about $60 a month
[20:07:26] fryfrog: all my STBs shared one lineup just fine
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[20:07:37] fryfrog: what sat co is it?
[20:07:37] BULLE: fryfrog: ye, but all the STBs can tune the same set of channels, right ?
[20:07:43] fryfrog: yeah
[20:07:49] fryfrog: yours didn't?
[20:07:54] rambo3: http://www.oukacha-satelliet.nl/shop/product_ . . . oducts_id/93
[20:07:55] BULLE: fryfrog: in my setup, that was not the case, and then, the problems came
[20:08:07] fryfrog: ah, that'd suck :/
[20:08:19] fryfrog: i *sort* of had the same problem, but i dealt with it by giving them the same channel
[20:08:38] fryfrog: ie, I had 2x OTA and 2x STB, so basically I had 4 "HD" channel 5s
[20:09:00] fryfrog: I just gave them the same XMLTVID and they showed up as say "5" and "805" and "5_1"
[20:09:09] fryfrog: (hd, sd, ota_hd)
[20:09:11] BULLE: yes
[20:09:26] fryfrog: kind of annoying, but i *only* watch recordings, so in the end it never really mattered enough to me
[20:09:28] BULLE: i could do that, but then i had to schedule each recording on the correct channel, to get it to work
[20:09:43] fryfrog: oh, all my recording schedules are "any/any"
[20:09:54] fryfrog: i just delete repeats/previous seasons when ever
[20:09:58] fryfrog: i notice
[20:11:46] mytho-x: fryfrog: I forget who the company is, basically you are buying a package from a reseller who then pays HBO, Showtime, etc...
[20:12:06] fryfrog: looks expensive equipment and nearly obselete
[20:12:14] fryfrog: and holey cow, a 6 foot dish? :p
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[20:12:56] fryfrog: i'd pay for dtv if they had a pci tv card that worke din linux
[20:12:58] mytho-x: yes, a tad bit expensive and possibly nearly obsolete, yet I would not be paying cable
[20:12:59] fryfrog: and got HD
[20:13:04] fryfrog: hah
[20:13:11] fryfrog: i think i'd try to move somewhere with fios/iptv
[20:13:21] fryfrog: do all the iptv/fios providers work okay with mythtv?
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[20:13:27] mytho-x: some of it is more on principle to me anyway
[20:13:56] fryfrog: every time i call comcast, they are like "have you considered using our phone service"
[20:14:21] mytho-x: I would probably just pay for Sci-fi, TNT, FX and not get the premiums like HBO, showtime, etc...
[20:14:21] fryfrog: and i'm always like "i have so many issues with my cable tv and internet, how could i consider letting you do my phone as well?"
[20:14:23] ** directhex will be moving from dvb-t to both dvb-s and dvb-t in the next 6–12 months **
[20:14:26] fryfrog: they never have an answer :p
[20:14:31] justinh: ffs. standard reply from ebay :( Well they have til Friday then I'm going to PayPap
[20:15:30] justinh: 'personal emergencies do happen... yada yada yada'. yeah and those kind of things normally prevent you from being around to buy & sell other items I'd think.
[20:15:56] fryfrog: well, as long as you get your goods in the end.
[20:16:26] justinh: jury's still out on that one
[20:16:47] mytho-x: exactly, and there is still a good amount of free to air satellite channels
[20:17:23] directhex: i'd pay for sky if they sold it to people like me
[20:17:25] directhex: but they don't
[20:18:10] justinh: their loss, I say
[20:18:39] mytho-x: true
[20:18:57] fryfrog: directhex: not in the UK?
[20:19:12] mytho-x: in some ways I would be happy just to use OTA and buy DVD's of the other scifi shows
[20:19:32] directhex: fryfrog, sure. but they only sell sky to low-income idiots, not to people who know how to say phrases like "i don't buy set-top boxes, care to sell me a CAM?"
[20:19:34] fryfrog: when we lived in CH, my mom arranged for a co-worker in the UK to recieve the bills/use as address
[20:19:42] fryfrog: ah
[20:20:24] fryfrog: the funny thing is that we used to watch X files, but it was on with a ton of other throw away shows
[20:20:43] fryfrog: so we thought that the xfiles was a crap show in the US that we loved watching :)
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[20:20:52] justinh: there's no shortage of throwaway crap on Sky
[20:21:05] fryfrog: exactly!
[20:21:12] directhex: there's a shortage of hardcore porn on sky!
[20:21:24] fryfrog: it was like they paired up BSG with a bunch of Knight Rider re-runs and stuff
[20:21:36] justinh: there's a shortage of talent on TV too but that's a whole other rant
[20:21:37] iamlindoro_: it drives me crazy when US shows are available only in SD here... but they export them in HD... Grrr...
[20:21:54] justinh: iamlindoro_: not only that but 4:3 SD
[20:22:07] iamlindoro_: Heh, true
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[20:22:39] justinh: 4:3 SD where the 16:9 content is letterboxed 14:9
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[20:23:32] godzirra: iamlindoro_: how do I figure out what to put as my remote name for the irexec script?
[20:23:48] justinh: godzirra: whatever the remote name is in lircd.conf
[20:23:52] godzirra: ah thank you.
[20:25:02] justinh: so, come on then clever. I'll indulge you just this once. the change you made to gayhem.. where is it? I'm not gonna make a habit of this I promise
[20:25:59] clever: http://clever.mine.nu:82/paste/ui.xml
[20:26:04] clever: dont know your email address
[20:26:08] justinh: the whole xml?
[20:26:09] godzirra: Hrm... the live tv button doesnt work for me.
[20:26:20] clever: justinh: yeah thats the whole ui.xml(with my changes)
[20:26:20] godzirra: Anyone know what the short cut is? Its not in the wiki as far as I can see.
[20:26:27] justinh: oh ffs
[20:26:45] clever: justinh: a diff would only be usefull if i knew exactly which version of it i diff'ed against
[20:27:01] godzirra: Ah... hrm.
[20:27:11] godzirra: This doesnt work... irsend --device=/dev/lircd SEND_ONCE $REMOTE_NAME 3
[20:27:12] justinh: did you get it out of svn?
[20:27:43] justinh: clever: if it's just one textarea you changed that'd only be like one line or so
[20:28:09] clever: im using the copy of the theme i installed weeks ago(maybe months)
[20:28:25] justinh: I can't do anything with that then
[20:28:32] clever: and its just change to the width of 3 columns
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[20:28:49] justinh: which ones though, that's the $64,000 question
[20:28:58] clever: yeah i can easily get that'
[20:28:59] godzirra: iamlindoro_: I modified the script you had for your irexec but its not working correctly for me, sadly. Let me paste it and see if someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong.
[20:29:18] justinh: I'm damned if I have to use wget & do the diff myself
[20:29:22] clever: justinh: the column in the recording list with the time (2nd)
[20:29:49] clever: and the column with the time/date in upcoming recordings(1st)
[20:30:02] godzirra: http://pastebin.com/m3eb6cd56
[20:30:05] clever: i also shunk the one with the show title by 10 when making that column wider
[20:30:11] godzirra: Can anyone take a look at my irexec script and tell me what its doing wrong?
[20:30:14] clever: so the thing as a whole wouldnt get larger
[20:30:14] godzirra: what I'm doing w rong rather.
[20:30:40] godzirra: hrm, actually when I run irexec ./red.sh, I get this: irexec: bad file format, ./red.sh:2
[20:31:47] clever: justinh: http://www.pastebin.ca/800874 is a diff i did but the linenumbers probly wont be usefull if you made any major changes
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[20:33:52] justinh: it's totally meaningless
[20:34:04] justinh: need a diff against a current version
[20:34:35] godzirra: Anyone know about the irexec thingie?
[20:34:43] clever: justinh: where can i find a current version?
[20:34:45] justinh: irexec thingie?
[20:34:53] godzirra: the script I pasted I can't get working.
[20:34:59] godzirra: I was curious if anyone knows what I'm doing wrong.
[20:35:03] justinh: now, my piss is officially boiling, clever
[20:35:12] godzirra: That must be painful.
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[20:35:17] clever: i forgot what your site is and google wont show it
[20:35:54] levander: Are there any common causes of prebuffering pauses when watching TV with PiP? I've got two CPU's and they are bouncing between 50–70%, but... That is below 100%.
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[20:36:29] clever: hdd or network
[20:36:56] levander: clever: That's actually what I was kind of guessing: hdd. Two threads trying to access the disk at the same time.
[20:37:11] clever: look for iowait on the cpu's
[20:37:27] levander: It does look like mythfrontend's got one thread for each picture in PiP.
[20:37:38] levander: clever: lemme see if top reports that, that's what I been using.
[20:37:55] clever: top does show iowait but im not shure how it handles that for 2 cpu's
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[20:38:46] fryfrog: levander: 2 streams of SD for PiP should not be a big deal
[20:38:49] fryfrog: is it HD or SD?
[20:39:14] levander: SD
[20:39:25] fryfrog: pip is only for livetv, right?
[20:39:29] fryfrog: (i've not used it)
[20:39:39] levander: fryfrog: It's a dual PIII 550. So, each processor is not that powerful.
[20:39:47] fryfrog: oh
[20:39:53] fryfrog: hehe
[20:39:56] clever: im able to watch 1 SD on a 400mhz P2
[20:40:11] clever: dont have 2 input sources so i cant ever get pip
[20:40:14] levander: fryfrog: I'm using it for livetv now, when I've got the pauses.
[20:40:31] fryfrog: and it doesn't have any trouble when pip is off?
[20:40:42] levander: I found the iowaits, but it's not a cumulative measure in top. Lemme watch it for a while.
[20:41:07] levander: fryfrog: Well, not right now I don't. It seems like every time I turn on myth though, there's something else I want to fix.
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[20:42:07] godzirra: So really.. anyone know how to make it go to live tv? I can't get the livetv button to work, nor can I get the irexec script to work.
[20:42:25] justinh: the next update, whenever the hell that is – will have those changes. next time, email a diff of the latest version or I'll just ignore it
[20:42:46] clever: justinh: i forgot what your site is and google wont show it
[20:42:56] godzirra: This is what I'm using now: http://pastebin.com/m37b8209c
[20:43:02] godzirra: but it still isnt working.
[20:43:09] clever: yeah i'll have to diff the latest next time
[20:43:57] justinh: FFS mythtvtalk.com is still hosting that ancient version :-\
[20:44:02] justinh: fucking GPL
[20:44:20] fryfrog: did you change licesnese?
[20:44:28] clever: google didnt lead me to your site just other sites hosting probly old versions
[20:44:43] justinh: yeh it's CC now
[20:45:10] fryfrog: is the version they host the "last" GPL version? or just some random one?
[20:45:12] justinh: but never fear I'm going back to GPL in the next new one I do but the images will be non-distributable
[20:45:25] fryfrog: er, why?
[20:45:34] justinh: to keep control, that's why
[20:45:40] fryfrog: and what do you mean "non-distributable"?
[20:45:48] justinh: I mean thou shalt not distribute
[20:45:56] fryfrog: like, you can get the theme... but the images have to only come from you?
[20:46:29] justinh: one is slightly useless without the other I think
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[20:46:36] justinh: which is pretty much the whole point
[20:47:08] fryfrog: that sounds dumb and easily defeated, i'd like to introduce you to my friend "script" who runs at first boot up on the boxes I sell :/
[20:47:26] fryfrog: I'd stick with CC on the whole thing or GPL
[20:47:44] fryfrog: what does it matter if the non-images (xml?) is GPL?
[20:47:51] justinh: I don't want my themes hosted or distributed by anyone but me
[20:48:01] clever: ubuntu cant have dvd decryption packages in its repo's
[20:48:08] clever: but one of the packages has a shell script and a readme
[20:48:11] fryfrog: then you sure as fuck don't want to release it GPL :p
[20:48:11] justinh: apparently that;s some kind of heinous crime to OSS people
[20:48:21] justinh: fryfrog: you can specify exclusions
[20:48:23] clever: and running the shell script causes it to dl and install a .deb with the 'ilegal' code to fix dvd playback
[20:48:23] fryfrog: hi, duh?
[20:48:34] justinh: people can do what they want with the xml files
[20:48:37] clever: cant blame ubuntu if it gets into a users system that way
[20:48:45] fryfrog: clever: ahha :)
[20:48:48] iamlindoro_: justinh, if one were to sell prebuilt mythboxes (not that I'm considering such a thing) would you be open to them using one of your themes as a default, with permission?
[20:48:51] fryfrog: clever: i don't think i've ever noticed that
[20:48:52] iamlindoro_: just curiosity
[20:49:04] clever: fryfrog: the readme probly has a notice saying it may be ilegal in your country
[20:49:04] justinh: iamlindoro_: nope. not without a big fat payment
[20:49:10] iamlindoro_: heh, fair enough
[20:49:20] fryfrog: clever: what is the script named, you know?
[20:49:25] ** clever looks **
[20:49:42] justinh: I don't mind giving my stuff away but apparently it's too much to put conditions on that
[20:49:53] godzirra: Soooo can anyone help me figure out why my script isn't rnning please? The one that should change channels?
[20:50:03] fryfrog: why don't you write themes for MCE or some non-free product?
[20:50:12] justinh: fryfrog: because I don't use them?
[20:50:54] fryfrog: i hope you don't cry for this, but thanks for reminding me why i had you on ignore
[20:51:09] clever: fryfrog: isnt exactly where i remember it being
[20:51:25] justinh: fryfrog: fair enough. I don't 'hate' freedom, I just want to maintain control. I don't think it's much to ask
[20:51:29] fryfrog: clever: oh well, i'll live. i can't remember ever putting a video dvd in my linux box :)
[20:51:36] clever: lol
[20:51:49] clever: fryfrog: i found it somehow thru cpdvd
[20:52:12] justinh: fryfrog: I'm actually working on stuff which will be GPL – gifts to other mythtv related enterprises
[20:52:15] levander: justinh: Isn't Myth GPL? I think because your Themes "share data" with Myth, it's a requirement of the GPL that your themes be GPL also. Not that I care. I remember that was an issue with theme and plugin developers for Wordpress. Not that I care what you do either way.
[20:52:45] clever: i dont think theres any mythtv data in the theme itself
[20:52:57] clever: its just a set of images and xml files explaining how myth should draw them
[20:52:59] justinh: levander: AFAIK project components/addons don't have to be under the same licence
[20:53:21] directhex: justinh, themes don't. plugins do
[20:53:24] levander: justinh: I'm not 100% sure, I'd have to check the GPL to be ositive.
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[20:53:44] directhex: justinh, the gpl is the wrong license for "artistic work" like themes anyway
[20:54:03] justinh: well, that being the case maybe I'll just stay with CC & put up with the ubunuts of the world hawking my stuff around as if it were their own
[20:54:49] justinh: directhex: that isn't what I was saying. I've seen projects where components of the thing were GPL but parts of it were copyrighted etc
[20:54:58] levander: clever: iowaits are hovering between 4 and 10%. When the prebuffer pauses happens, it's above 6%. But, there are other times, like even without PiP when the iowaits go above 6% without pauses.
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[20:55:08] directhex: justinh, that's possible in some, but not all situations
[20:55:12] fryfrog: levander: you might try ummm
[20:55:20] levander: clever: Haven't found a pattern yet, I have guesses. But, they're just random guesses.
[20:55:21] clever: leprechau: hdd bottlenecks tend to happen when you have 0% idle
[20:55:21] directhex: justinh, the key is compile-time linking
[20:55:25] fryfrog: dstat and watching disk speed/traffic
[20:55:42] justinh: directhex: well in this particular case there's no compiling
[20:55:43] fryfrog: levander: if it were me, on a p3 550 dual ... i'd just not use pip :)
[20:55:50] clever: fryfrog: found it at /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[20:55:57] levander: I've never been called leprechan before. Lemme go look for idle on top.
[20:56:10] directhex: justinh, hence why themes aren't going to face issues, as long as you aren't using modified files from myth's own themes
[20:56:14] levander: fryfrog: That may be where I'm going, but I'm going to look into it before I give up.
[20:56:39] justinh: and fryfrog – I apologise having a strong opinion on how my own work is treated ;)
[20:58:24] clever: fryfrog: looks like it tryes to get a .deb for your arch and stuff and then tryes to build one if it fails
[20:58:49] directhex: justinh, what's wrong with the PINE license, for what you want?
[20:59:01] godzirra: Anyone?
[20:59:34] levander: justinh: Personally, I'd think if the Ubuntu newbies start running around with your code, their modifications are going to be junk. I'd doubt they'd get much leverage with them. And, I believe CC means they have to credit you as doing the original work that was modified...
[21:00:06] directhex: levander, justinh wants to ban people from hosting old versions of his themes
[21:00:15] directhex: levander, all CC licenses allow redistribution
[21:00:48] directhex: other than that, by-nc-nd would do the job
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[21:04:08] godzirra: this is a great discussion on licenses, but can someone help me with irexec and myth? :)
[21:04:28] directhex: i don't do lirc
[21:05:43] levander: godzirra: I'd look into it, but I'm really just now trying to decide what remote to buy. Haven't looked at lirc at all.
[21:06:49] jk1joel: godzirra: does your script actually get called?
[21:07:52] fryfrog: godzirra: all ive done with irexec is setup a "kill mythfrontend" command
[21:08:28] jk1joel: the script itself looks fine. is irexec running? is the script +x?
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[21:18:30] ille: anyone know why I get this error when compiling SVN, http://pastebin.com/m46629399
[21:19:31] iamlindoro_: I assume you have compiled successfully before?
[21:19:45] iamlindoro_: if so, did you make distclean?
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[21:21:06] ille: yes, but been a while since I updated SVN. Will try that.
[21:23:33] justinh: directhex: never heard of the PINE license. there needs to be a decent license picker wizard somewhere. of course any that disallow redistribution are automagically labelled "the work of the devil" and so don't get much mention
[21:24:09] justinh: maybe if I find a good shrink & get cured of this addiction it'll just work itself out
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[21:26:04] directhex: justinh, consider the licenses used by the pine email cient, or qmail email server
[21:26:12] directhex: justinh, both of which are undistributable
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[21:26:31] directhex: actually, i think the pine license changed a little, so go for the qmail license
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[21:27:02] ille: iamlindoro: same error again :(
[21:27:32] justinh: main thing is I can stop the company leeches & that'll have to be good enough. you can't just go chopping & changing licenses
[21:28:02] justinh: as for people shipping old versions – I'll just flat refuse to support them
[21:28:22] directhex: justinh, you could do that with cc by-nc-nd
[21:28:54] iamlindoro_: ille, hmm... I wrote a little script that I update with... just check that you did all the steps: http://www.pastebin.ca/800946
[21:29:21] justinh: I couldn't find any nondistributable form of CC mentioned. they must make it harder to find to placate the 'no free as in beer, has to be FREE FREE' zealots
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[21:30:10] directhex: justinh, by-nc-nd would do everything except prevent redistribution. no modification, no commercial use, attribution always given
[21:30:19] iamlindoro_: ille: out of curiosity, when was the last time you compiled?
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[21:31:53] ille: iamlindoro: was really a long time ago. I'm running SVN 13393... gee a year ago.. time flies...
[21:32:18] justinh: directhex: if they can redistribute I don't see any reason not to disallow remixing. stopping commercial use was the big one
[21:32:21] iamlindoro_: dunno what/if any new dependencies might have crept in since then
[21:32:50] ille: INT64 sounds like I need a 64bit CPU :)
[21:32:53] directhex: justinh, well, that's the nc clause
[21:33:01] justinh: anyway I've had a majorly crap day today. 3.5 hours in a room with Seagate folks isn't fun
[21:33:11] iamlindoro_: well that's certainly not necessary
[21:33:18] ille: iamlindoro: I use qt3 ?
[21:33:22] directhex: justinh, they're smelly. today, we got a network working, this time without breaking the university \o/
[21:33:26] iamlindoro_: yes
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[21:34:52] justinh: directhex: the worst thing about that meeting was the fact a manager up SMART monitoring, something I've been pushing for and widely consulted about for absolutely ages, countless times. I almost walked
[21:35:06] justinh: s/up/brought up
[21:35:44] justinh: Dilbert's so not funny anymore ;)
[21:37:09] iamlindoro_: ille: i would think the compile error is related to the configure warnings
[21:38:20] ille: iamlindoro: gcc 4.1.2 is it to old?
[21:38:33] iamlindoro_: I shouldn't think so
[21:38:42] iamlindoro_: I compile with 4.1.3
[21:39:22] iamlindoro_: But maybe ?
[21:40:47] levander: clever: There's not some doc's you can point me to on hdd bottlenecks is there? I really need to run right now, and haven't had a chance to look at those prebuffering pauses yet.
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[21:42:00] ille: levander: check that DMA is enabled
[21:42:27] Anduin: ille: configure should be checking and adding __STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS
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[21:44:01] ille: Anduin: does not see that define in the compilation
[21:44:14] Anduin: ille: You should look at config.err, some of those unrecognized options are very old (easily supported by 4.1.2)
[21:44:51] ille: Anduin: yes. -Wall is history
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[21:49:03] ille: march=pentiumpro ? running on an old AMD Xp 1.6
[21:49:50] Anduin: ille: pentium pro was the short live precursor to the pentium II (so very old, and widely supported)
[21:50:43] Anduin: ille: config.err should have the full output from g++ when the options where tried, it should be more helpful.
[21:50:53] Anduin: were even
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[21:52:22] iamlindoro_: For anyone interested in blu-ray/HD-DVD rips, mlp/TrueHD support was just committed to ffmpeg today
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[21:53:11] BULLE: iamlindoro_: oh, nice!
[21:53:26] BULLE: iamlindoro_: even though im not realy intrested in ripping, but im intrested in playback, and support for the formats are needed then aswell
[21:53:38] iamlindoro_: yeah, no kidding... looks like E-AC3 should be committed in the next few weeks, too
[21:53:56] iamlindoro_: have been using the patches for a few months, but nice to have it official
[21:54:50] ille: iamlindoro: http://pastebin.com/m72b395c8
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[21:55:22] iamlindoro_: ille: It sounds like Anduin might be better equipped to help than I :)
[21:55:25] ille: nice ,, time to upgrade the mythbox
[21:55:41] ille: iamlindoro: exactly...
[21:56:07] iamlindoro_: but yeah, sounds like dist-upgrade time :)
[21:56:37] iamlindoro_: That's how I'd justify the cost of a brand new top-of-the-line backend/frontend to any significant others :)
[21:56:48] Anduin: ille: -Wno-pointer-sign
[21:56:49] ille: been running this box in production for soon 3 years now,
[21:57:33] Kernel: hmm im not sure how to discribe this so here goes: in mythtv and mythdvd i have a line that seems to bend straight lines.....its all the way across my monitor(horizon line) its especialy noticeable when theres lots of motion...or if thre are alot of verticle lines on the screen...
[21:57:49] Kernel: it doesnt seem to do it in plain mythtv
[21:58:22] iamlindoro_: You mean interlace combing, perhaps?
[21:58:34] Kernel: the line appears about where the black letter boxing would be
[21:58:46] Kernel: iamlindoro: mabey. i dont know what that is
[21:59:05] directhex: iamlindoro, i still want libdeaacs
[21:59:06] ** Kernel googles **
[21:59:13] iamlindoro_: http://www.geniusdv.com/weblog/archives/Interlcaed.jpg
[21:59:27] iamlindoro_: maybe not, thought, taking a shot in the dark
[21:59:29] iamlindoro_: er though
[21:59:53] Kernel: not quite like that.
[22:00:01] ille: Anduin: --extra-cflags= -Wno-pointer-sign ?
[22:00:08] Kernel: its only in that one place
[22:00:11] Kernel: and its only one line.
[22:00:28] iamlindoro_: hmm... and that line is there all the time, or only during motion?
[22:00:31] Kernel: is it possible to take a screen shot while in mythtv or mythdvd?
[22:00:47] Kernel: iamlindoro: it seems to only become visable when there is motion.
[22:00:54] Anduin: ille: No, it is the lameness that we assume all C flags are valid in C++
[22:00:58] iamlindoro_: I think it uses overlay, so you'd probably just end up with a blue screenshot
[22:01:06] iamlindoro_: kernel, what video card/driver?
[22:01:23] Kernel: bfgtech nvidia geforce 7800 GT OC
[22:01:34] ille: Anduin: ok
[22:01:37] iamlindoro_: With which driver? nv or restricted nvidia?
[22:01:39] Kernel: using a beta nvidia driver
[22:01:48] Kernel: nvidia
[22:02:03] iamlindoro_: hmmm... Well, you might consider trying another driver... beta/.19/.14 have all been troublesome for various reasons
[22:02:10] iamlindoro_: you might try 100.14.11
[22:02:10] Kernel: i had that stupid green/pink scren problem...this new driver seems to have fixed it
[22:02:19] directhex: yeah, the 100 drivers suck
[22:02:22] Kernel: *screen
[22:02:49] Kernel: hmm wonder if i can still get the 100.14.11
[22:02:55] iamlindoro_: outside of that, I honestly don't know... sort of sounds like tearing to me, which is why I suggest looking at the driver/settings
[22:02:58] iamlindoro_: sure
[22:03:04] iamlindoro_: I can get you a link if you need one
[22:03:24] Kernel: i got the link but thanks :-)
[22:03:27] iamlindoro_: ok
[22:04:36] bsdfox: Kernel: what driver fixes it?
[22:05:02] iamlindoro_: bsdfox, rolling back to .11 works, and for some the beta driver works too
[22:05:18] iamlindoro_: kernel, it's a bad example, but tearing is something like this: http://www.rnrh.net/video/samsung_tearing/sam . . . earth_2a.png
[22:05:34] bsdfox: 100.14.23-r10?
[22:05:50] iamlindoro_: that's the beta, I believe
[22:05:53] Anduin: ille: Hmm, it is bad, I'm surprised someone else didn't notice
[22:06:06] iamlindoro_: .11 is the last stable one to fix that
[22:06:43] iamlindoro_: Another tearing example, at the bottom: http://www.rnrh.net/video/samsung_tearing/sam . . . d_trax_1.png
[22:06:56] Anduin: ille: change configure, comment out the 'check_cflags -Wno-pointer-sign' line and it should work
[22:08:15] ille: Anduin: ok,
[22:08:27] Kernel: iamlindoro: yea kinda like that. only its at the top
[22:08:36] Kernel: bsdfox: umm im using
[22:08:43] ille: Anduin: no complaining now, on configure
[22:08:49] levander: clever: turns out I couldn't leave yet. I don't see where top shows how long the CPU has been idle. 'man top' just talks about whether or not you want to list idle processes.
[22:08:54] levander: ille: looking at DMA now
[22:08:58] Kernel: bsdfox: 169.04
[22:09:20] Kernel: brb gonna install this older driver
[22:09:31] iamlindoro_: Kernel, also take a look at this re: x settings to help with tearing: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=96028
[22:09:35] Anduin: ille: Yeah, that looks like it was introduced some time ago, really more people should be seeing it, I'm looking for a change that would cause it more recently
[22:09:45] clever: levander: the id % at the top is how much is idle
[22:09:54] iamlindoro_: apparently disabling composite may eliminate it
[22:10:08] clever: levander: Cpu(s): 30.2%us, 9.3%sy, 51.2%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 8.1%hi, 1.2%si, 0.0%st
[22:10:33] clever: levander: no hdd problems atm and all cpu power going to low prio tasks(comm flaging probly)
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[22:10:56] clever: lots of iowait and little idle could be a hdd problem
[22:11:45] clever: and you can use bonnie++ to see how fast the hdd is
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[22:12:07] ille: Anduin: no one compiling SVN with old gcc like me.
[22:13:04] Anduin: ille: 4.1.2 isn't old (many use much older)
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[22:15:53] levander: isn't just 'hdparm /dev/sda' supposed to tell you if you're using dma or not? Maybe that utility went away when Ubuntu switched to the whole DevFS/UUID thing for hard disks.
[22:15:59] levander: Even ATA ones like I got.
[22:16:18] ille: Anduin: damn I miss the C2 Duo compiling times at work..
[22:17:13] mzb_d800: 4.x old? :))
[22:17:14] Anduin: ille: I never compile MythTV on the machines it will run on.
[22:17:15] ille: levander: I see that now on my laptop
[22:17:41] levander: ille: wee what on your laptop?
[22:18:00] levander: clever: Funny, that id% isn't documented in man, but it does show up in the top output...
[22:18:06] ille: leprechau: I mean, I also dont see if DMA is on with hdparm on my ubuntu laptop
[22:18:21] levander: clever: idle is hovering between 15–20% and I am getting prebuffering pauses.
[22:18:34] levander: clever: You think that rules out hdd bottleneck?
[22:18:36] clever: are the recordings local or nfs/remote?
[22:18:57] levander: ille: Yeah, that's annoying.
[22:19:06] levander: clever: Front end/Back end on same machine.
[22:19:22] ille: levander: Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) has DMA automatically enabled for drives that support it.
[22:19:24] levander: clever: A dual PIII 550 with 512 MB RAM, no swapping.
[22:19:34] clever: the fact it has idle means its not hdd or cpu
[22:19:49] levander: I'm gonna google my hard drive and see what the specs are.
[22:20:22] levander: Damn, I updated w32codecs on my machine, now MP3's aren't encoding...
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[22:21:41] clever: i use lame to encode mp3 files
[22:21:50] clever: ffmpeg can also use liblame
[22:22:07] clever: myth i beleive also uses liblame to encode the mp3 for frame grabber sources
[22:22:37] levander: I think that's what I'm using... It's in a pretty big python program I wrote to pull down NPR tohat I'd have to open up and look at.
[22:23:05] levander: clever: messing with myth is why I upgraded my codecs. Enabled the medibuntu repository, etc.
[22:23:08] clever: you probly want to check the import lines for liblame
[22:23:24] clever: could just grep them out
[22:23:37] clever: grep import PYTHONscript|grep -i lame
[22:24:08] levander: clever: I use the command line to send a command to encode the stuff. It's just a personal script that's already huge with various features. Just didn't take the extra time to figure out ogg/mp3/mplayer libraries.
[22:24:39] ille: Anduin: Thanks for the help, need to go to bed. I hope the compilation will complete.
[22:24:44] Kernel: allright seems this older driver got rid of that problem
[22:24:44] clever: theres probly a extra python lib to open up liblame to scripts
[22:25:04] Kernel: this older one didnt have the green/pink problem did it?
[22:25:23] iamlindoro_: nope
[22:26:30] Anduin: ille: Good luck, and it appears the reason no one else notices it that it is a warning rather than an error for most.
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[22:26:39] levander: It's a ATA/133 drive, but it is only 5400 RPM's. And, it's only an ATA/33 controller.
[22:27:17] levander: clever: But, you're pretty confident that because there is idle means it's not CPU or HDD?
[22:27:40] mzb_d800: levander: my p3–650 is running on a bx mobo, and I found ata33 not fast enough
[22:27:42] clever: if the system was waiting on the hdd alot
[22:27:49] clever: it wouldnt be idling(it would be iowait)
[22:27:57] clever: if it was using ALL the cpu it wouldnt idle
[22:28:06] clever: (but with 2 cpus it could be diff)
[22:28:18] clever: 1 cpu could be iowaiting 100% and it show 50% idle
[22:28:24] levander: clever: lemme make sure I was looking at the 2 CPU's separate.
[22:28:29] mzb_d800: iirc, top should show idle during iowait
[22:28:32] clever: need to get the info on both as seperate units
[22:28:40] clever: mzb_d800: not on my system
[22:28:49] clever: used+sys+idle+io allmost allways ==100
[22:29:06] mzb_d800: ie. "it's idling while it waits for io data"
[22:29:12] clever: yeah
[22:29:16] ille: levander: /sbin/hdparm -Tt <device> will test its speed.
[22:29:17] clever: but it doesnt show as idle
[22:29:28] mzb_d800: fair enough
[22:29:32] clever: ille: that just tests raw speed and ignores how well it can seek
[22:29:43] mzb_d800: either way, I found ata33 not fast enough
[22:29:51] clever: and if your doing 2 files at once like in pip you wind up having to seek back and forth between them
[22:29:56] levander: mzb_d800: Not fast enough for PiP, or not even fast enough for 1 tuner SDTV?
[22:30:12] mzb_d800: not fast enough for anything
[22:30:14] clever: also pip might use sd*4
[22:30:21] clever: 2 for recording and 2 for playing it back
[22:30:45] levander: clever: You know, top only refreshes every so often, it could be that just for a very tiny fraction of time there's no idle. Like maybe 5% of the time it takes top to refresh, there's no idle for a period.
[22:30:46] clever: enless the write caches get shared as read caches and you got enough ram for that to actualy help
[22:31:02] mzb_d800: I ended up using an it8212 raid card in non-raid mode
[22:31:04] clever: levander: yeah and i know how to set how often it updates
[22:31:04] levander: clever: It seems idle does start to dip in the time frames that there are pauses.
[22:31:13] levander: clever: The pauses only sound like blips.
[22:31:16] clever: levander: and it seems to count the whole time since the last update
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[22:32:02] clever: theres probly a timer in the kernel counting how much time was spent in xxx and top just reads it and uses the diff since the last read for the info
[22:32:09] mzb_d800: I find the best thing to measure these things is gkrellm
[22:32:29] mzb_d800: much easier to look at realtime stats as graphics
[22:32:29] clever: bash: gkrellm: command not found
[22:32:31] levander: clever: But, does it give a minimum or an average of the idle in the time frame? If it gives an average, the minimum could be all the way to 0%.
[22:32:44] clever: mzb_d800: im using cacti to graph my cpu but that only polls every 5mins
[22:32:54] mzb_d800: install gkrellm
[22:33:09] mzb_d800: it's also network capable
[22:33:10] clever: levander: if you have it set to update every 60 seconds, and its using the cpu SOLID for 30 then not at all for 30, it will read 50%
[22:33:12] levander: mzb_d800: I do have a 2nd drive that is 7200 RPM. I wonder if I move my recordings there if it would make a difference? Did you try anything like that?
[22:33:32] clever: levander: it will also show 50% if you use it solid for 1sec then idle 1 sec and repeat
[22:33:47] mzb_d800: if you split between two drives, I'm sure it would help (if they were on seperate ports)
[22:34:00] mzb_d800: in my case I only had one drive available for the machine
[22:34:07] clever: there is a minor problem with older ide drives
[22:34:11] levander: clever: Yeah, so you're agreeing with me? My iowaits could be going up way too high for a brief period of time?
[22:34:16] mzb_d800: (and the it8212 card is bootable)
[22:34:17] clever: there can only be 1 operation at a time on the IDE bus
[22:34:28] Toxicity999: wooo, no DE at all for my mythbox now, just GDM session > nested mythfrontend
[22:34:29] clever: if you waiting for 1 drive you cant do anything with the other
[22:34:40] mzb_d800: seperate ports
[22:34:46] levander: clever: So, ahving the hard drives on different ribbons wouldn't help?
[22:34:51] mzb_d800: not master+slave
[22:34:55] clever: Toxicity999: i could get myth OVER the gdm login if i wanted(both running)
[22:34:59] mzb_d800: levander: yes it will
[22:35:11] Toxicity999: clever I had thought about that too, but I like using GDM.
[22:35:14] clever: each ribbon is a seperate ide bus
[22:35:29] clever: Toxicity999: i mean you can alt+tab between the gdm login and myth:P
[22:35:33] levander: Oh cool. Then the 2nd drive is definitely something to try.
[22:35:48] Toxicity999: another xsession? that's not very magical, lol.
[22:36:00] mzb_d800: levander: install gkrellm! ... I'll show you a pic
[22:36:07] levander: I been thinking about buying a new drive to replace the 5400 RPM one, if the 2nd drive improves thing, replacing the 5400 RPM drive gives me even more of an excuse.
[22:36:15] clever: Toxicity999: all you do is steal gdm's cookies without loging in(needs root) then you can throw any X app you want into the login window
[22:36:41] levander: mzb_d800: gnome-system-monitor was using so many resources, I was wondering if gnome-system-monitor was causing the problem. Would gkrellm be much different?
[22:36:48] Toxicity999: it would be easier for just a mythfrontend system to go directly to mythfrontend without worrying about GDM.
[22:36:49] mzb_d800: yes
[22:36:54] Toxicity999: be back in a few.
[22:36:59] clever: Toxicity999: yeah
[22:37:41] mzb_d800: pretty much any pic on this page: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . Id=2523&
[22:37:47] mzb_d800: check the black boxes with graphs
[22:37:54] levander: When I try this two ribbon thing. YOu guys think I should put my DVD drive on the ribbon with the / directory (the 5400 RPM drive) or on the ribbon with the recordings (the 7200 RPM drive)?
[22:38:45] mzb_d800: with recordings
[22:39:00] mzb_d800: an io error on the dvd drive will cause problems
[22:39:18] mzb_d800: better to cause recording problem than to lock the box
[22:39:21] levander: mzb_d800: So, it's not a performance thing? It's a stability thing?
[22:39:29] levander: mzb_d800: Yeah, okay.
[22:39:31] levander: Good point.
[22:39:35] mzb_d800: I didn't say that exactly
[22:39:41] levander: Definitely on the recordings ribbon.
[22:39:56] mzb_d800: if you had another bus, it'd be better to have the DVD on that
[22:40:12] levander: mzb_d800: Yeah, but I only got two.
[22:40:41] levander: I'm gonna try to do without a PCI controller for now. Possibly buy that later.
[22:41:45] mzb_d800: got gkrellm installed yet? ;)
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[22:42:36] justinh: clever: mythtvthemes.co.uk has an updated gayhem. and no you can't wget it :P
[22:42:41] mzb_d800: this one shows the network ability of it: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . Id=2573&
[22:42:53] clever: lol
[22:43:08] clever: wget can fake its headers to make it look like firefox
[22:43:25] clever: and did you think of curl?
[22:43:31] justinh: clever: important change since the one you used is that it now uses Bitstream Vera Sans, as opposed to just saying it does
[22:43:31] Toxicity999: justinh any major changes?
[22:43:36] justinh: Toxicity999: no
[22:44:19] justinh: there'll be no major changes from here on in. like I've not got enough going on :)
[22:44:24] Toxicity999: Lol
[22:44:36] Toxicity999: Yes... well... Eggs and Pancakes for supper!
[22:45:01] justinh: if I rework them to work with the mythui port when it's all done, I'll do a big tidy up etc then
[22:45:03] clever: also i sometimes copy the link on my windows browser and wget it thru ssh to linux
[22:45:11] clever: which is where dead wget may become a problem
[22:46:15] Toxicity999: The mythui port will be finished when pidgin has video support (proper), wine releases 1.0, and reactOS sees 100% compatibility.
[22:46:30] Toxicity999: So enjoy the time off =P
[22:46:45] justinh: clever: doh wget works after all
[22:46:51] clever: lol
[22:47:04] clever: you can block either the user agent or the lack of referer
[22:47:05] BULLE: Toxicity999: =D
[22:47:12] clever: but wget args can probly set/change both
[22:47:13] Toxicity999: Lol.
[22:47:32] Toxicity999: yea, I tried wget, with no tricks, and it worked.
[22:47:34] justinh: clever: supposed to be stopping people making direct links
[22:47:37] directhex: wget can even bypass robots.txt if you know how
[22:47:46] justinh: need to work on the htaccess file again
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[22:48:07] clever: yeah direct links are blocked on some sites because you may not see it belongs to some1 else
[22:48:26] mzb_d800: iirc, the only way you can really stop wget is by making javascript links
[22:48:40] Toxicity999: Man, I have such a stripped down debian system for myth now.
[22:48:43] BULLE: doesnt wget honour robots.txt ?
[22:48:55] mzb_d800: why would it care?
[22:49:01] Toxicity999: lol.
[22:49:06] clever: BULLE: i think it does by default
[22:49:11] clever: BULLE: but you can probly override it
[22:49:18] BULLE: clever: ye, with undocumented flag
[22:49:20] justinh: fixed it :)
[22:49:25] clever: ahh
[22:49:33] clever: was thinking it was documented:P
[22:49:36] Toxicity999: http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/wget/wget_41.html
[22:49:38] clever: or a patch you apply
[22:49:39] BULLE: clever: atleast that was the case last time i looked at it, and that was quite some time ago
[22:49:54] justinh: I was having people posting to forums, linking direct to my pics. I hate that
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[22:50:20] BULLE: Toxicity999: ah, its only when using -r
[22:50:24] justinh: so rather than resort to goatse or watermarking.. htaccess rules :)
[22:50:36] Toxicity999: you could watermark goatse..
[22:50:42] BULLE: =)
[22:51:07] directhex: justinh, use htaccess to goatse it?
[22:51:20] BULLE: just change the pictures to goatse and change links on your page, then go watch the forums =D
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[22:51:39] clever: Toxicity999: heard of 'hip'?
[22:51:45] Toxicity999: Hm?
[22:51:50] clever: hide in picture
[22:51:54] clever: windows program
[22:51:58] clever: you feed it a password
[22:51:58] Toxicity999: ah
[22:52:03] BULLE: hippo!
[22:52:03] clever: it encrypts the file your hiding
[22:52:20] clever: then uses the password to randomly spread BITS of the file within the image(causing quality loose)
[22:52:37] clever: enless you have the original image you cant tell something is even hidden
[22:52:43] clever: (aslong as there are no solid colors)
[22:53:03] clever: provide the pw and it can pull the same random bits back out and decrypt it
[22:53:20] justinh: you can hide all manner of stuff in jpeg headers
[22:53:26] clever: using that you could hide a text saying the file is yours in the image
[22:53:34] clever: with it being imposible to detect without a password
[22:53:44] justinh: clever: doesn't stop people linking & eating my bw though
[22:53:46] clever: aslong as there are no solid patches of solid
[22:53:59] clever: yeah but you can then proove they got it from your site
[22:54:01] Toxicity999: hmmm 55 running processes with mythfrontend going.
[22:54:05] clever: when you take them to court:P
[22:54:21] justinh: wouldn't mind seeing my stats actually, but can't afford that option. last time I ever pick this host
[22:54:36] clever: im hosting my sites off my own dsl
[22:54:39] clever: which is unlimited
[22:54:45] clever: 1 flat rate
[22:54:48] directhex: clever, you can use htaccess to return goatse for all image requests made on sites that aren't yours
[22:54:50] directhex: bah
[22:54:53] directhex: justinh, ^^
[22:54:57] clever: the upload is weak(50–60kbyte/sec) but it works
[22:55:04] clever: lol
[22:55:17] justinh: directhex: I know but that's a still a bit childish even for me
[22:55:31] clever: some sites like imageshack return a generic image saying no direct links if you try to
[22:55:47] directhex: clever, same thing, with less anus
[22:55:56] justinh: clever: I can't imagine folks downloading pooptube-wide from my home connection. I can't imagine me putting up with it either
[22:55:59] clever: you could make a script to output /dev/urandom with a speed limit
[22:56:13] clever: they will sit there for a week at 1kb/sec before they notice the bot is stuck:P
[22:56:40] justinh: bleh. might aswell just take the site down & have done with it if I wanna be that arsey
[22:56:52] clever: lol
[22:56:53] justinh: even I have limits
[22:57:13] clever: cant apache put rate limits on things?
[22:57:25] justinh: yes if your host provider gives you access
[22:57:29] clever: ahh
[22:57:33] clever: crappy host:P
[22:57:37] justinh: I get rewrite, and that's it
[22:57:41] clever: ouch
[22:57:53] justinh: it's enough. CBA to dabble & fiddle all that much
[22:57:57] clever: i got total access(i can kick the thing in under 30 seconds if i want:P)
[22:58:11] clever: i can kick one of my web servers without even getting off the desk
[22:58:19] justinh: oh I get ssh, but no access to the apache config
[22:58:32] clever: i have psysical access to all my servers
[22:58:34] justinh: like er.. wtf point is that, other than to do quick edits?
[22:58:52] justinh: anyway time for this grumpy bastard to hit the hay
[22:58:57] clever: if the thing is locked up i can easily punch reset
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[23:06:05] mzb_d800: clever: xen vm is even nicer (in that respect)
[23:06:33] clever: if you have total control of the vm its nearly the same
[23:06:34] mzb_d800: (but no hardware reset;)
[23:06:41] clever: aslong as the host isnt locked up
[23:07:06] mzb_d800: heh ... lock up? nah, I don't think so :)
[23:07:14] clever: you could use your ssh access to install a vm under your username
[23:07:18] clever: on any system
[23:07:24] clever: aslong as you have the free space
[23:07:28] clever: but they may not like that:P
[23:07:37] mzb_d800: only if it had a xen-enabled kernel
[23:07:46] clever: i mean a generic vm program
[23:07:56] mzb_d800: not the same thing
[23:08:02] clever: then you would have 'root' on the box
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[23:08:15] clever: for your own apache with total control
[23:08:20] mzb_d800: xen is vastly different
[23:08:24] clever: its just a matter of geting the port opened
[23:08:35] clever: xen im guessing is high a vm with very little overhead
[23:08:42] clever: so it runs closer to the host system speed
[23:08:59] mzb_d800: yes
[23:09:02] clever: ive seen a few vm setups which share a kernel between host and all guests
[23:09:12] mzb_d800: not a shared kernel
[23:09:16] mzb_d800: (in xen)
[23:09:28] clever: 1 person i knew was trying to upgrade his kernel in the vm
[23:09:41] clever: and the tech hosting it said it wasnt supported but they wouldnt stop him
[23:09:49] kormoc: clever, it's better to stop guessing, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen
[23:09:55] clever: he also had full backup/restore stuff to undo changes to the entire vm
[23:09:58] mzb_d800: kormoc: thanks
[23:10:02] clever: lol
[23:10:11] clever: i later read up on the exact vm he was under
[23:10:15] clever: which had a shared kernel
[23:10:25] clever: all systems are forced to use the same kernel
[23:10:39] kormoc: same kernel version != same kernel
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[23:10:47] black_Nightmare_: hey
[23:10:54] mzb_d800: you can't upgrade a kernel in a xen vm either ... as the dom0 loads the kernel for the domU
[23:11:06] clever: yeah but it seemed to share the same the same kernel code in ram
[23:11:14] clever: and the kernel knew what belongs to what vm
[23:11:25] clever: dont remember the details of that other vm
[23:11:39] clever: yeah it may load an external kernel/initrd like qemu can
[23:11:56] clever: which means it ignores the kernel within your vm's fs
[23:12:54] clever: you could only upgrade the kernel if the vm ran a normal bootsector type bootup
[23:12:54] mzb_d800: it's not that it ignores it, the dom0 loads it
[23:13:10] ** jduggan wonders how xen comes into #mythttv conversation **
[23:13:17] mzb_d800: which means it also looks for matching modules in the domU's fs
[23:13:20] clever: yeah but i mean the VM would not even look in the FS for the kernel
[23:13:29] jduggan: its not like its ideal under xen!
[23:13:30] clever: it would look outside your fs for it
[23:13:42] clever: jduggan: its actualy in #mythtv-users :P
[23:13:43] ** kormoc prods people onto topic **
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[23:13:52] mzb_d800: jduggan: initially because of the webserver conversation, but I also use a xen domU as a mythbackend
[23:13:53] jduggan: clever: nood
[23:13:54] jduggan: :\
[23:13:56] jduggan: -o
[23:14:01] ** clever prods mythtv into a xen vm so its back in topic:P **
[23:14:06] jduggan: bbl bed, though
[23:14:08] jduggan: :)
[23:15:50] mzb_d800: wench:~# xm list | egrep -v "Name|Domain-0" | awk '{print $1}' | xargs echo
[23:15:50] mzb_d800: donkeyserver fileserver mailserver mythserver proxyserver soundserver sqlserver webserver
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[23:16:13] mzb_d800: wench:~# lvdisplay -C | wc -l
[23:16:13] mzb_d800: 72
[23:16:19] mzb_d800: very handy
[23:16:25] AndyCap: clever: virtuozzo shares a kernel, and bsd jails. iirc.
[23:17:06] clever: Anduin: but a chroot jail also shares the same pid space
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[23:17:38] clever: mzb_d800: lvdisplay outputs multiple lines/lv
[23:17:55] clever: mzb_d800: lvscan shows 1 line per lv making it better for |wc -l
[23:18:16] mzb_d800: with -C it doesn't
[23:18:37] clever: -C on which prog?
[23:18:38] clever: ahh lvdisplay
[23:18:53] clever: but it does show a header which gets counted:P
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[23:19:17] mzb_d800: you can subtract -1 ;)
[23:19:18] black_Nightmare_: hey mzb..how good you with modern motherboards? ;)
[23:19:27] clever: mzb_d800: look at lvscan and youll see you dont need to
[23:19:45] mzb_d800: most modern thing I've got is skt939 ... so probably not that good
[23:19:58] mzb_d800: (that's pretty old, right? :))
[23:20:10] black_Nightmare_: heh hm well...
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[23:20:37] black_Nightmare_: is it just the models I'm looking at or are there no AM2 atx (verus microatx) boards with more than three conventional pci slots??
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[23:21:04] mzb_d800: I've been looking at some in the past ... so there should be
[23:21:56] black_Nightmare_: hm ok...guess I'll have to try look some more..kinda want find one :/
[23:22:05] mzb_d800: http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_i . . . cts_id=23676
[23:22:33] cmoates: You should be able to find a few, but yes, PCIe is rapidly taking over, and mATX is far more popular than full size
[23:23:37] cmoates: black_Nightmare_, what requires so many PCI slots that you couldn't do elsewise?
[23:24:00] directhex: black_Nightmare_, 3 PCI is the standard number provided on current AMD chipsets
[23:24:17] black_Nightmare_: cmoates...well if they're going cut pci out then where the *** are some budget fw/modem/nic/audio cards yet? they're still only for pci yet like merf
[23:24:53] cmoates: pcie nics are available
[23:25:01] cmoates: modems can be usb
[23:25:04] cmoates: audio the same
[23:25:06] cmoates: or firewire
[23:25:09] black_Nightmare_: well I have not seen any mass sub-$50 one yet
[23:25:11] cmoates: and you can get firewire onboard
[23:25:18] directhex: black_Nightmare_, by using older chipsets, maybe http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=570815 ?
[23:25:25] black_Nightmare_: cmoates...try dial AT straight to usb port..and tell me what kind of error it gives you :p
[23:25:40] directhex: or http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=661328
[23:25:40] cmoates: black, it's a modem with a serial-usb adapter in it :P
[23:25:49] cmoates: And you could always just do a real serial modem too, external
[23:25:57] black_Nightmare_: cmoates..well can it take direct com port AT dialing still?
[23:26:02] cmoates: sure
[23:26:08] black_Nightmare_: well the usr ones does not
[23:26:14] cmoates: The USB USR?
[23:26:16] black_Nightmare_: had to trade for the serial one to get AT dial working
[23:26:23] hjohnson: modems...
[23:26:27] AndyCap: but if you're really desperate for pci slots http://www.magma.com/
[23:26:30] hjohnson: how.. quaint
[23:26:31] black_Nightmare_: (at least the board still had one serial on it...this was for another friend)
[23:26:33] cmoates: yeah, that's what I'm thinking hjohnson
[23:26:40] black_Nightmare_: hjohn..not really
[23:26:59] black_Nightmare_: hjohn....to start with would you explain why the supposed "rural broadband" has been so complete failing? :p
[23:27:01] directhex: well, it's a moot discussion. black_Nightmare_'s had 2 am2 boards with 4pci shown to him
[23:27:20] black_Nightmare_: alak many places still only have 56K alone without the expensive pricetag of the only other option: satellite
[23:27:22] hjohnson: black_Nightmare_: duno, Saskatchawan has more fiber to the home than anywhere else in the country
[23:27:56] hjohnson: of couse that's not so hard when the lad is perfectly fat and grid shaped
[23:27:58] black_Nightmare_: hjohn..yeah? I was near winnipeg once and even the B&B place only a short drive from winnipeg downtown didn't have any place for more than just dialup or satellite alone
[23:28:23] hjohnson: yeah, broadband is quite widly available in Sask
[23:28:43] black_Nightmare_: goes to show you how 56K still is always going to stick pretty wide around whether anyone likes it or not..partially thanks to the government
[23:28:45] hjohnson: and I know mbtel has built out its network
[23:29:01] cmoates: black_Nightmare_, pcie gig ethernet is $29 at newegg
[23:29:07] hjohnson: hell you can get broadband in Resolute
[23:29:11] cmoates: firewire is $30
[23:29:19] hjohnson: (though it's 256kbps, and goes out via satellite)
[23:29:21] black_Nightmare_: cmoates...and how about outside newegg?
[23:29:32] cmoates: You can google as easily as I can ;)
[23:29:37] cmoates: I just picked a vendor I use often
[23:29:45] cmoates: But clearly the cards are available
[23:29:48] cmoates: and sub-$50
[23:29:55] black_Nightmare_: well the only sub-$20 firewire is older via 3+1 pci card... pci-e still is not even around
[23:30:17] black_Nightmare_: (and yes you can curse newegg for having many sales but not wanting to ship to the full north america :p)
[23:30:55] cmoates: eh, not an issue for me, I didn't know, and I wouldn't curse them for choosing how to run their business
[23:31:10] cmoates: May not be to your liking but it's their business to do with what they like :)
[23:31:19] black_Nightmare_: hell we probably wouldn't even need to bother with fw400 cards if motherboard makers would *** just choose to settle on always having one onboard (but no thanks...its always spotty like eg one model has it but go side one model and suddenly there's none)
[23:31:54] black_Nightmare_: to think I like msi for early sktA board....thunderbird+firewire :))
[23:32:00] cmoates: So just ensure the one you pick has FW on board
[23:32:16] black_Nightmare_: cmoates...the real point was...not having to bother with the cards anymore ;)
[23:32:32] cmoates: Doesn't seem like it'd be that hard
[23:33:50] cmoates: Can you spec what you want to end up with? (not how it needs to be put together)
[23:34:01] black_Nightmare_: hmm sure...
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[23:34:21] stiev3: if I am currently configuring the backend, which will be the master server, the "IP address for mythbe, and Master Server IP address" will be the same thing right. a static address on my home network.
[23:34:21] directhex: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=570815 -> Back Panel: 1 x Firewire
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[23:34:40] directhex: stiev3, right
[23:35:02] directhex: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=661328 -> Back Panel: 1 x Firewire (6pin)
[23:36:42] directhex: let's see. am2, check. firewire, check. rs232, check. gige, check. audio, check. 4 pci slots, check. just the modem missing, i think.
[23:37:39] mzb_d800: (2 internal FW ports, too;)
[23:37:51] cmoates: And external serial means an external modem, which is always better
[23:38:31] directhex: what am i missing, then? i note black_Nightmare_ kept bitching for 15 minutes or so after i linked to a board that met his criteria...
[23:39:04] cmoates: I dunno, I asked him for what he was trying to solve a second ago, but no reply yet
[23:39:19] black_Nightmare_: AM2 (local store has 64 and 64x2's for low $) .. firewire (onboard prefered but rear's fine) .. floppy header (in proper place..not stuffed between slots or at bottom..lets not go there heh) .. 2x ata .. just at least two sata .. optionally 5.1 audio with still having mic .. single pcie-16x (optional onboard geforce 6x00–7100 series) .. two (or more in lack of onboard) pci .. serial (useable 2x optional) ... fanless
[23:39:27] black_Nightmare_: sorry...just had to make a lot of comments ;P
[23:39:38] cmoates: floppy?!
[23:39:44] cmoates: wtf do you need a floppy for?
[23:40:23] cmoates: directhex, that link you pasted gives me a db error
[23:40:34] cmoates: ah, reloading a few times fixed it
[23:41:13] cmoates: That last board directhex linked to, seems like it fits your criteria
[23:41:15] black_Nightmare_: there's still several things on disks (especially a nice bootable lite os that fits in under 1.39mb alone) .. plus also the non-pc disk reader software (for me its mainly on these apple disks) doesn't even support anything of any usb nature at all yet
[23:41:43] cmoates: usb floppy?
[23:41:44] directhex: cmoates, the floppy connector placement, next to pci4, is sub-optimal
[23:41:46] black_Nightmare_: I still think about that one time I saw one agp board that had the floppy header literally stuffed right under agp slot..you'll think that was probably blocking the fan's flow ... forgot who the maker was tho :p
[23:41:46] cmoates: That's what I went to
[23:42:14] cmoates: If/when I need a floppy (twice in the last several years) I just dig out the USB floppy drive and plug it in
[23:42:16] cmoates: works like a champ
[23:43:16] directhex: hey, look, i have a floppy drive! i had to look to check
[23:43:26] directhex: don't actually own any floppy disks anymore
[23:43:27] black_Nightmare_: cmoates..just checking but did you see what I mentioned about 'doesn't even support'?
[23:43:32] black_Nightmare_: hence well..you know ^_^
[23:43:44] cmoates: uh, non-pc?
[23:43:55] cmoates: I thought you meant some other dedicated hardware that had a floppy drive in it
[23:44:18] cmoates: Oh, you meant "software which reads non-PC formatted floppies"
[23:44:21] black_Nightmare_: oh heh sorry
[23:44:25] black_Nightmare_: yeah I did meant that
[23:44:29] black_Nightmare_: saw I didn't word it well
[23:44:32] cmoates: What the heck are you still using floppy disks for with apple?
[23:44:50] cmoates: Apple hasn't produced a machine with a floppy disk in a long damn time ;)
[23:45:00] iamlindoro_: longer than anyone else, in fact
[23:45:09] black_Nightmare_: umm I haven't even used floppies for a long time meh :p ... the disks are for because thats the only quick way to copy the text file works over
[23:45:24] cmoates: What kind of apple is it?
[23:45:38] directhex: i don't really think black_Nightmare_ wants am2 at all. his requirement list strikes me as more grounded in the late 90s. via kt133 era athlon
[23:45:40] black_Nightmare_: (last time I used floppies..that probably was to copy these two simearth floppies to disks so I could continue using them on newer pcs naturally)
[23:46:04] cmoates: So even you don't really have a need for a floppy anymore
[23:46:06] cmoates: :)
[23:46:11] black_Nightmare_: cmoates.. don't fall laughing anyway but they're quite a bit vintage .. powerbook 145B + performa powerpc 6300CD
[23:46:26] black_Nightmare_: the 145B only has disk drive (at least its 1.44mb) alone for file transfer
[23:46:50] cmoates: No ethernet?
[23:47:47] cmoates: no, no ethernet
[23:47:49] black_Nightmare_: no..that was a special (I never understood how they really did their magic) adapter to run 10baseT through the scsi bus (almost all 68k powerbooks had a HDI30 scsi connector just as a note)
[23:48:27] black_Nightmare_: although I think the 540's with the rare pccard adapter bay could use old nic cards itself
[23:48:36] cmoates: Well your new AM2 will emulate a 68k mac far faster than your real 68k mac. Just transfer your floppies before you turn off your current computer that has a floppy in it
[23:50:01] black_Nightmare_: cmoates...heh...the 145B is just for typing and some fun quick games outside home hence why I'm still keeping it around a bit ^_^ (well...that seem better than a $400+ laptop thats got more chance of being grabbed so to our own)
[23:50:37] black_Nightmare_: re...yeah I've looked at the scan.co.uk links after typing that long line of mine
[23:50:53] cmoates: You're trying to bridge 15 years of hardware, and you seem surprised that you might have to compromise to do so
[23:51:29] black_Nightmare_: cmoates..well if I had gone microatx instead I can find many features....just makes no sense that going to atx is like almost chopping the feature list in half (ecluding onboard vga)
[23:51:45] cmoates: microatx is far more popular
[23:51:45] black_Nightmare_: at least atx still always have onboard nic+audio these days :p
[23:52:03] cmoates: full atx aren't aimed at desktops as much as they are at servers
[23:52:07] black_Nightmare_: hmm which of that reminds me....
[23:52:31] black_Nightmare_: you ever had any experience with the onboard gpu chipsets from sis? (as seeing especially ecs uses them a lot)
[23:52:56] mzb_d800: horrible is the only word I've got for SiS
[23:53:08] cmoates: SIS isn't what I'd call desirable, for sure
[23:53:11] black_Nightmare_: heh
[23:53:26] mzb_d800: ah wait ... I've got another couple of words .... cheap and nasty
[23:53:47] black_Nightmare_: that explains ecs..they seem to always have low prices when a store list them
[23:54:11] directhex: onboard SiS is worthless
[23:54:25] cmoates: Are Mac floppies formatted HFS?
[23:54:32] directhex: their chipsets have been shown to function in some circumstances, but the graphics are junk
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[23:54:56] black_Nightmare_: cmoates...yes
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[23:55:07] black_Nightmare_: but some of the floppies (not disks) were in earlier pre-mac format
[23:55:15] black_Nightmare_: thats apple II for you ^_^
[23:55:55] black_Nightmare_: hmm directhex..which of that reminds me...
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[23:56:33] cmoates: There seem to be quite a few software packages that will read apple floppies
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[23:56:43] cmoates: Not one of them will support a USB floppy drive?
[23:56:47] black_Nightmare_: I only ever saw one single photo (it was a specifications listing webpage) of an odd sktA microatx board with sis chipsets all the way once..and guess what? it mentioned a sis modem right onboard
[23:57:02] black_Nightmare_: thats the only one time I ever saw a board having onboard modem (well for pc cpus)
[23:57:11] cmoates: That was at a time when a modem was a "feature" and not today where it's a "device taking up an IRQ"
[23:57:39] cmoates: There were a lot of boards in the socket a era with modems onboard
[23:57:46] black_Nightmare_: heh well I guess you can add one more thing to irq... "device stealing the cpu" :p
[23:57:53] black_Nightmare_: *** winmodems ... thats what!
[23:57:57] ** black_Nightmare_ chuckles **
[23:58:06] black_Nightmare_: remind me why I hate most of the pci ones
[23:58:34] black_Nightmare_: at least diamond still has a hardware (from the look so far) pci modem if you didn't want to go with their external ones yet
[23:59:08] black_Nightmare_: cmoates...never knew about that..I might have to look up some sktA reviews when I find them just to see
[23:59:59] cmoates: It was mostly on "cheap" boards, for example, pc-chips. They were designed for that "cheap crappy PC" that so many people bought as they flocked to the internet

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