Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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Aval0n:

my stuff in 20.2 worked

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Aval0n:

which makes this odd it it's the same stuff

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Aval0n:

configure reported it would be installed after the I installed the libvisual dev package too

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iamlindoro:

You add the visualizations in the mythmusic setup now

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iamlindoro:

From a list

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Aval0n:

oh, no shit?

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Aval0n:

lol

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iamlindoro:

Yes

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clever[rev]:

lol

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iamlindoro:

so you can use the ones you want

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Aval0n:

haha ok I'll go try it

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Aval0n:

that almost makes sense.

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pooyak:

hi again. just bought my pvr-150 now trying to install it on gutsy

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iamlindoro:

Player settings, third screen I think

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Aval0n:

cool thanks man

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Aval0n:

:)

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Aval0n:

bbiab

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: to the rescue yet again

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black_Nightmare_:

hey iamlindoro :p

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iamlindoro:

'sup... just dropping in to add that little tidbit... playing Assassin's Creed ;)

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black_Nightmare_:

:p

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iamlindoro:

pooyak, shouldn't be any pvr-150 install, in gutsy it should be plug and play.... do a ls -al /dev/video0, and if you see something there, the pvr-150 is installed

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black_Nightmare_:

me just looking at a few websites now...

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black_Nightmare_:

getting a bit more hang of what I'll want to actually try order for my pc

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pooyak:

iamlindoro, for some reason firmware wasn't there I had to copy it manually

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black_Nightmare_:

papast fan on sale from a not-far-away online store to start with

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pooyak:

iamlindoro, I mean I used ivtv firmware repository

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black_Nightmare_:

$16cad for 22CFM at only 15dBA .. should be fun

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iamlindoro:

pooyak, new ivtv doesn't require pvr-150 firmware any more

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black_Nightmare_:

:p

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iamlindoro:

at least, it shouldn't

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pooyak:

hmm, saw a message in dmesg anyway, not I got the /dev/vide0 let see if mplayer shows anything

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clever[rev]:

'mythmusic has encodered the following error:

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clever[rev]:

decoderMAD: falied to open input. error 5'

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clever[rev]:

happens on random files(more anoying because it stops playback instead of skiping)

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black_Nightmare_:

either way I just had to wonder...is pci tv tuner a matter of the pci card itself or just the tv tuner chip alone being supported?

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pooyak:

wow! here it is tv on my monitor, magic...

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clever[rev]:

lol

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gilesww:

anyone got a recommendation for a dvb-t pci card ?

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gilesww:

are the hauppage ones any good?

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iamlindoro:

black_nightmare_, it's sort of both. Strictly speaking if the chipsets are supported then it can be made to work, but most of the drivers have definitions per-card

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** iamlindoro goes back to the xBox **

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black_Nightmare_:

hm ty

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black_Nightmare_:

was wondering because some of these old tv tuner cards were still similar philips chips to the new hauppauge/ati ones

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black_Nightmare_:

;)

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black_Nightmare_:

(but not like I could even use one..all expansion slots are taken now heh :p )

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iamlindoro:

New hauppauge cards don't use chips in common with the old cards... I assume you are referring to bt848 cards... Hauppauge cards don't use 'em

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iamlindoro:

ok, back to game for real now

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gilesww:

i'm just reading about this DViCO Dual DVB-T Tuner card

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iamlindoro:

if a card you're referring to *does* share design in common with a modern card, it's probably supported in ivtv

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mzb:

bsdfox: hmm .. no dice so far : 2007-11–18 11:12:39.426 RemoteEncoder::SendReceiveStringList(): No response.

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mzb:

2007-11–18 11:12:39.426 MythSocket(8ce470:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket.

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mzb:

2007-11–18 11:12:39.426 MythSocket(8ce470:-1): readStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket.

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clever[rev]:

i get those all the time

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** black_Nightmare_ nudges iamlindoro with an old unused game controller :p **

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** black_Nightmare_ hehs **

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jduggan:

wow i havent played a mud in years

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xris:

me, neither.. not with any frequency, anyway

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xris:

but I'm not about to shell out $20/month for WOW

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mzb_d800:

clever[rev]: card is in a Xen domU

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mzb_d800:

(bt878)

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clever[rev]:

card has allmost nothing to do with the MythSocket stuff i think

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black_Nightmare_:

mzb..whats with you having two nicks? :P

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mzb_d800:

two machines

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cornell:

Excuse me... my mythbox is down, lvm problems... while I'm diagnosing/fixing that, I'd like to watch live tv down here in my dun... computer room. Is there a "watch live tv" program that's a part of mythtv?

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mzb_d800:

this one is the laptop in the loungeroom, other is main workstation (next to the server in the computer room)

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mzb_d800:

cornell: first menu item on first page?

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clever[rev]:

cornell: mythtv can do 'live' tv but it needs to record(but if you have storage groups you can put livetv on its own partition)

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black_Nightmare_:

mzb....heh does 'd800' stand for anything?

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mzb_d800:

Dell d800

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mzb_d800:

(repaired from "scrap" ... ie. non-op)

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mzb_d800:

(had to zap it, etc)

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xris:

mzb_d800: does xen even support passing video cards through?

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mzb_d800:

I have others ;) ... needed other nics for testing irc on ipaqs, etc (ref: Ramdisk Rescue)

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cornell:

Thanks, mzb_d800, but my "myth" part is down. Lost the lvm vg which is /mythv and if I let BE run, I run out of disk space. So FE and BE are shutdown. I'm assuming that when you pick that item on the menu, it invokes some program. What's the program, that I can run it directly?

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mzb_d800:

xris: not sure

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xris:

I can't even get usb devices to go through to my DomUs

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mzb_d800:

xris: I've succeeded in passing USB _host_ and a SCSI host

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mzb_d800:

I have a dedicated "scanner" domU, and the mythserver domU can use a USB2 dvb tuner ok

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mzb_d800:

I had a bit of a play some time ago trying to pass single USB devices, but I ended up giving up for some reason and just passing the whole host through

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mzb_d800:

I've just tried setting permissive on the card(s), but not getting any results yet

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black_Nightmare_:

heh mzb...fair enough now :p

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mzb_d800:

the freenode policy suggests (for multiple linked nics), to start with the common part, underline ... etc ... and that "some day" this will all be better somehow ... forget the details

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mzb_d800:

no helpful hints in xen-users (back to Jul 2005;)

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black_Nightmare_:

heh

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black_Nightmare_:

hm *pokes stupid useless store description*

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black_Nightmare_:

says the pci adapter can use type III but the slot on rear does not even look any bigger than type I/II

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** black_Nightmare_ hates these **

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mzb_d800:

haha

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mzb_d800:

forget to set card+tuner params

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pooyak:

is canada's "channel frequency table" us-cable?

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mzb_d800:

doh

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pooyak:

what is us-cable-hrc or -irc

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cyberpass2:

here is an idea...

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black_Nightmare_:

?

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mzb:

a fleeting moment? :)

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cornell:

There's a lirc related file... contains information like... when running such-and-such program, then such-and-such received code means a certain command. I'm guessing I could discern the live tv program from that... if I could find it.

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cornell:

Is that a lirc config, or a mythtv config... lirc.conf and lircmd.conf don't seem to be it)

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mzb:

~/.lircrc (usually linked to ~/.mythtv/lircrc)

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kormoc:

mzb, as of xen 3.0.4, pci passthough is semi-supported again, but DMA is super flaky as is multi-interupt per target. All in all, makes multimedia cards rather sucky

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black_Nightmare_:

well I'm going off...just too busy thinking to bother staying on here any longer hehe :p

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mzb:

yeah, figured as much ... had problems trying to do audio passthrough previously (for a speech server) ... ended up going to pulseaudio at the time ... now just piping over ssh

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mzb:

(I'm using Xen 3.0.3)

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godzirra:

Sooooo.... anyone know if this card will work for mythtv? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 134697745634

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kormoc:

PCI Passthrough doesn't work at all before 3.0.4 iirc

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pooyak:

I once had mythtv packages installed on my ubuntu

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kormoc:

godzirra, I looked it up on the wiki and it took very little time as you can see. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-PVR-USB2 . Please use the docs in the future

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pooyak:

but I don't remember DB password and stuff

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godzirra:

Thanks.. I didnt know there was a wiki.

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pooyak:

how can I reinit everything from the begining?

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cornell:

So... nobody knows a program that's "native" to mythtv that I could run manually to watch live tv?

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kormoc:

cornell, come again?

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mzb:

kormoc: heh .... yes it does ... I use it all the time (in fact I held off upgrading from 2.0.7 for that very reason)

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kormoc:

huh, fair 'nuff

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cornell:

kormac... my myth box is a bit broken... lost my lvm... until I get that fixed I want to watch live tv on the box (with the tv capture card) without using myth FE. I.e. run a program to watch live tv. What might that program be?

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mzb:

cornell: if you want to watch live, and myth is not running, why are you asking mythtv-related questions?

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mzb:

why not just use mplayer|xawtv (or something?) ???

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kormoc:

cornell, you can't watch tv with myth without the backend running and writing to the disk

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mzb:

ah well ... it was worth a try ... bt878 will have to go into workstation instead :(

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mzb:

bsdfox: ^^^ no dice on bttv|bt878 on xen ... not sure why ... seems to load up ok

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mzb:

err ... actually ... bit more of a fiddle before I give up ;)

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cornell:

mplayer plays files. Why am I asking here? I'm assuming that myth, when I select a menu item, runs a program. My myth box has only the basic ubuntu distro and mythtv on it. I'm trying to find out... how can I... is it possible to... simply watch live tv, from the tv capture card, without myth FE running.

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mzb:

what type of card?

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mzb:

(mplayer does more than just files, btw)

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cornell:

Hauppage 350

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mzb:

right, so: www.google.com/linux should be of great help

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kormoc:

cornell, you shouldn't assume that it fires off another program. But in anycase, running mythtv will do what you want, minus a lot of the features. It doesn't do much, and is considered more for debugging.

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kormoc:

cornell, this still requires the backend running and recording to the drives

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kormoc:

cornell, as well as database access

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kormoc:

you don't actually save any requirements

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BULLE:

cornell: why not just manualy tune to the channel and then use mplayer to watch directly from the /dev ?

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cornell:

The recording to the drives is the problem... not enough space on /, since the vg is gone

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BULLE:

cornell: why not just manualy tune to the channel and then use mplayer to watch directly from the /dev ?

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kormoc:

cornell, like I said above. you... can... not... watch... tv... with... myth... without.... writing... to... the... drive...

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BULLE:

hah, you used four dots and not three in on location

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kormoc:

BULLE, whoops :P

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BULLE:

=)

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mzb:

got a scantv to work in domU .... probably don't have other end of aerial cable plugged into the splitter ;)

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dr_lulz:

aerial cables.. sounds expensive :P

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dr_lulz:

nevermind, language barrier -> human err

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dr_lulz:

sounded like "wlan cable" to me

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cornell:

bulle: mplayer /dev/video0 gives me tv... cbs. Now to fiure out how to change channels ;-)

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godzirra:

Anyone here ever compiled mike Iseley's drivers? I'm having trouble following the instructions on his page.

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mzb:

dr_lulz: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=79

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mzb:

scan success!

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bunder:

having a problem with my myth double recording shows that i've previously recorded, commskipped and transcoded... any ideas?

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cornell:

BULLE: hints on how to manually tune to a channel?

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cornell:

I can't find a way to do it within mplayer

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laga:

re

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viridari:

bunder: usually I find that's because tv stations aren't correctly listing episode metadata

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bunder:

i see, actually i just noticed its scheduled to also double record a show i didn't transcode either... strange

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viridari:

mtv and vh1 sometimes are bad at stuff like this

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bunder:

in that case, what can i do about it, besides setting "do not record"

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mzb:

bttv0: SCERR @ 1d9fd01c,bits: VSYNC* HSYNC OFLOW RISCI* FBUS FDSR SCERR*

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viridari:

like they will just list "The Real World" without a unique episode description, whether or not it is a rerun, original air date, etc.

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bunder:

oh that, no this is different

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bunder:

the descriptions are identical

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mchou:

bunder: are they bitwise exact?

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viridari:

bunder: just set it to record at a specific time on a specific day explicitly (i.e. when you know new episodes are supposed to air)

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mchou:

bunder: even a "sapce" would thow myth off

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mchou:

space* throw*

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** viridari almost thinks he should have paid for overnight shipping on his HDHomeRun. The waiting is the hardest part. **

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mchou:

or some minor punctuation

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mchou:

viridari: lol

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mchou:

viridari: forget about it

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viridari:

I went for the free UPS ground shipping

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mchou:

viridari: when you get it it will take a few days to get going anyways

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bunder:

mchou: they appear 100% identical to me

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viridari:

right now I just have the one PVR250 so it's all analog cable. I'm glad Myth is really smart about finding alternate time slots to grab shows from.

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mchou:

bunder: only way to tell is do a diff

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bunder:

of the nuv? they won't be identical due to commercials anyways :S

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viridari:

I have some time off work next week for the US holiday so I will have plenty of time to make the HDHomeRun work :)

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mchou:

viridari: I'm wondering why you decided to get HDHR as opposed to a firewire STB

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mchou:

bunder: no, of the descriptions

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viridari:

mchou: I don't want to pay monthly rental fees for my tuner, and the firewire box won't get me any content that I can't get with the HDHR anyway. Besides, I don't want to fight with my cable provider to enable the firewire port and disable encryption on it.

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bunder:

where can i get them from, i've been using mythweb, but they would look the same on the frontend too

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viridari:

also, I have a wife & three kids, so I am going to have a number of tuners on my back end. This first HDHR is just the start.

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mchou:

viridari: who is your cableco?

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viridari:

Time-Warner

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mchou:

viridari: how much they charge for STB?

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viridari:

(of Raleigh/Durham, North Carolina)

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viridari:

I think it was $7/mo for HD tuner

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mchou:

viridari: lol

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mchou:

I think you're in deep doo

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bunder:

can't you just crack the box to enable firewire?

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viridari:

it's not my box to crack

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bunder:

oh :\

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mchou:

Raleigh, NC has multipath issues, iirc

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Tanthrix:

viridari: Have you tested your cable with a QAM tuner before to see if you can get all the channels that you want? Only OTA is obligated to be in the clear..

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viridari:

no, I haven't

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mchou:

lol

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viridari:

most of the content that I want is OTA anyway

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mchou:

viridari: getting HDHR is not so wise if you didnt verify all this crap

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viridari:

mchou: it will get me local HD channels, which is a huge step up from where I am at now.

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mchou:

viridari: so will a firewire STB

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viridari:

not necessarily

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viridari:

eventually, yes, they are obligated to get it going for me

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mchou:

and it would have let you verify some info for sanity test

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Tanthrix:

viridari: I see. Well, just so you know, it's *highly* unlikely that you'll get anything but OTA over QAM. Usually, it's more likely that your firewire is unencrypted, so STB do have an advantage. Still, they're a pain in the ass though.

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mchou:

viridari: what do you mean by not necessarily?

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viridari:

but I will definitely have benefit from the HDHR, and it will let me see if it is worth getting 2 more

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Tanthrix:

viridari: Bit unreliable, and the monthly fees, so I understand your decision.

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viridari:

mchou: my experience with cableco's has been that the firewire port is either disabled or encrypted, and it is very hard to find anyone that knows anything about enabling them

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mchou:

Tanthrix: unreliable? which STB?

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mchou:

viridari: well, I dunno what incompetents there are in your neck of woods......

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viridari:

put it this way... it would be no big deal for me to only get the local channels through my cable provider.

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Tanthrix:

viridari: A lot of us around here have had good luck. By law they have to be enabled, so at the very least you can get OTA through them. Quite a few people have had a good chunk or all their channels available.

[01:50:06]

viridari:

it would be nice to get some of the others but not a big deal

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Tanthrix:

viridari: I had all mine for about 6 months, but then they started randomly turning encryption on and off are quite a few channels.

[01:50:45]

viridari:

when I take my HDTV DVR back to the customer service office, I'll see if they have a myth-compatible HDTV STB for me to try (that is not a DVR, and that does have 1394)

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mchou:

viridari: according to plenty of ppl at avsforum, they have no trouble getting OTA channels via STB firewire

[01:50:50]

Tanthrix:

It's a crap shoot I'd say. I'm going to be canceling mine soon and just using my QAM tuner.

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mchou:

viridari: dude, you should have done that first

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viridari:

but still, after less than 2 years of leasing just one STB, I can own a HDHR. with 2x the number of tuners.

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Tanthrix:

viridari: I don't think there are any STB with firewire that are not DVRs.

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mchou:

viridari: FCC says firewire for OTA chanels must be available AND clear

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viridari:

I want to have like 6–8 tuners on this thing so leasing STB's is not a very smart option for me

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Weezey:

ever since I installed mythmusic from svn I haven't had any visualizations

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mchou:

Tanthrix: what dope are you smoking???!!!

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Weezey:

can anyone offer any advice as to how to make them visualize again?

[01:53:04]

mchou:

Tanthrix spewing misinformation again

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mchou:

ever heard of DCT6200?

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viridari:

so if a STB is $7/month, x6 tuners, that's pretty substantial

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viridari:

DCT6200 is what I had with RCN in Philadelphia and it had encryption enabled

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mchou:

viridari: no, the point is get one STB to find out what's available....then make an INFORMED" decision

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viridari:

I got only local channels on 1394 with it and the cableco wouldn't open up any other channels

[01:54:19]

viridari:

I did make an informed decision

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Tanthrix:

Ahh, my mistake. I thought all the DCTs were DVRs, like mine.

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viridari:

I want to own my tuners

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mchou:

viridari: DCT6200 is not a PVR

[01:54:34]

viridari:

I know the DCT6200 is not a PVR

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viridari:

that's what I used to have, before the PVR (the PVR I have now is AS Explorer 8300HD)

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viridari:

s/AS/SA/

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Tanthrix:

viridari: And don't worry about mchou. He's a well know troll around here, so I wouldn't waste my time trying to appease him ;) Your decision is fine, and I totally agree with it.

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mchou:

viridari: you should have kept DCT6200

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viridari:

mchou: my cable company may not have liked me leaving town with their property

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godzirra:

Ok, if I plug my pvrusb2 in, and the kernel detects it, then I shouldnt have to worry about any other drivers, right?

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mchou:

Tanthrix: lol. At least I dont give out misinformation

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viridari:

mchou: try reading what I am writing before dishing out bad advice :)

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mchou:

viridari: well, dont move then :)

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viridari:

Philly is a shithole ;) No place to raise a family.

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mchou:

Tanthrix: your definition of "troll" apparently includes anyone who has more correct info than you do

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viridari:

I dunno I think Tanthrix might have been on to something

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mchou:

viridari: heh. At least you werent from Dover

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viridari:

Dover? Philadelphia has to pump its sewage *somewhere*!

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mchou:

viridari: where all those ID proponents made fools of themselves

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godzirra:

Ok, I verified my video stream by doing "mplayer /dev/video0" ... Is it bad if mplayer looks absolutely -horrible- when I do that?

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Tanthrix:

viridari: Thanks for the support, though I was wrong about there not being any non-DVR firewire boxes. I'm used to the newer DCTs being offered in my area.

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mzb:

godzirra: as long as the firmware loads properly ... it should be right (may require replugging under some circumstances)

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mchou:

viridari: they got the dope slap for the court, and it wasn't pretty

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godzirra:

I havent done anything with the firmware yet.

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godzirra:

All i've done is started reading the docs for the pvrusb2, and when I plugged it in, the kernel detected and loaded the modules for it, so I stopped screwing with it so far.

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mzb:

godzirra: check dmesg

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godzirra:

mzb: what am I looking for? usbcore registered a new device, it saw it as a V4L in-tree version mpeg2 encoder/tuner, etc.

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godzirra:

and registered /dev/video0 [mpeg]

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godzirra:

But when I just run mplayer /dev/video0 it looks pretty horrible... but I get a picture.

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viridari:

oh and btw mchou I am getting the HDHR based on the recommendation of another local mythtv user who has he same cableco and says it works fine :)

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gilesww:

would you guys recommend an onboard nvidia 6150 for a mythtv frontend?

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viridari:

gilesww: works great for me!

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mchou:

viridari: just pray you wont be too badly affected by multipath.....

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godzirra:

Does your onboard nvidia do tvout?

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gilesww:

cheers viridari

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viridari:

gilesww: I have Asus M2NPV-VM

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gilesww:

ahh

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gilesww:

thats the puppy i've been eying up

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gilesww:

i'm amazed at hardware prices

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viridari:

godzirra: I use the DVI out. It has component out also but I haven't tried that

[02:01:28]

godzirra:

Hrm. If I run frontend, it tells me my tuner status, tuner 1 is unavailable. :/

[02:01:31]

godzirra:

viridari: nice!

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viridari:

for $89 it is a fantastic board!

[02:01:37]

godzirra:

My nvidia 6150 onboard doesn't :/

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godzirra:

ok, so I think I made a mistake possibly by using ubuntu's mythtv package? or I'm just unclear as to what I'm doing. =p

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gilesww:

i was thinking about getting a x2 4200 with it

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** viridari rocks an x2 6000+ on his **

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viridari:

but I didn't buy it for myth originally

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gilesww:

jeepers

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godzirra:

jesus

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gilesww:

ah k

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viridari:

it has 4GB RAM too

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mchou:

lol

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viridari:

it was my workstation originally but linux doesn't pan out too well for the kind of work I do at home so I am on a mac now

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godzirra:

Soooo anyone wanna help a noob get myth running? I instaled the ubuntu packages, but now when I start mythfrontend, it tells me a few different thigns...

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godzirra:

1) tuner 1 is unavailable, 2) no guide data available

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mzb:

you're making my p3–650 sound slightly underpowered ;)

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gilesww:

thats my concern, that I might just buy a laptop

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mchou:

well, no shit

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j2__:

godzirra: have you actually gone through mythsetup?

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viridari:

godzirra: download and install on a clean hard disk from Mythbuntu CD and forget about having any problems :)

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godzirra:

j2__: yup.

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gilesww:

then i could just use my main machine as a pvr

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godzirra:

viridari: its my linux box that runs my apache server etc.

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godzirra:

viridari: I can't do that, sadly. :)

[02:03:39]

viridari:

mythfilldatabase

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j2__:

godzirra: and you have definied tuners, inputs, video sources and linked them together?

[02:03:55]

godzirra:

j2__: I have no idea. How do I make sure?

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viridari:

run mythsetup :)

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godzirra:

I think so. Sicne I went through mythsetup, but I didnt see anything specifically linking them together or anything?

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j2__:

godzirra: you go through mythsetup and do EVERY step.

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godzirra:

I did...

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godzirra:

I'll do it again though

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viridari:

yeah there is a step for tuner, for listings, and another step to link them together

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godzirra:

I must have missed a step somewhere..

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viridari:

sounds like it

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godzirra:

Ok, i'm at the main menu, 5 options. starting with general.

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viridari:

and after you have them linked you have to run mythfilldatabase

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godzirra:

do I want a VBI format?

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godzirra:

or a channel frequency table different from us-bcast?

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mzb:

nah ... moving card to workstation ... too dodgy in server

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j2__:

godzirra: answser to both questions are "Depends on where you live, and what your provider uses" ;)

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** viridari has to go out... bbl **

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j2__:

(and if your tuner card supports VBI in the first place)

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godzirra:

Well hrm.

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godzirra:

how do I find out those answers? I live in North Carolina and I use Time Waner

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godzirra:

Warner

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j2__:

*shrugs* I am in sweden :P

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godzirra:

lol

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j2__:

so for _me_ .. Yes i would use something else then us-bcast. No i would not use VBI since my hardware does not support it

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godzirra:

I went with defaults for now. Now I'm going to the second of five... capture cards.

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j2__:

If i understand correctly VBI only _really_ gives you CC-support.

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godzirra:

Ooh, my channel scan works now.

[02:09:44]

godzirra:

I see where i screwed up I think.

[02:09:55]

godzirra:

But I think I can only get channels 2–13 without my digital cable box :(

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godzirra:

Hrm, when I try and watch tv, its all black now. :/

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j2__:

what kind of capture card?

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godzirra:

WinTV PVR USB 2

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j2__:

and did you link your inputs to a video source?

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godzirra:

I believe so.

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godzirra:

I'm going into mythtv-setup again now.

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godzirra:

When I scanned for channels, it found 13 channels....

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godzirra:

I have on my screen now "Connect source to input" as the title...

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godzirra:

Capture device is listed as /dev/video0, input: television, video source: coax (thats teh one I titled)

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godzirra:

external channel change command is blank, as is preset tuner to channel.

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j2__:

Seem reasonable.

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godzirra:

starting channel 2, input priority 0, and then I have a button to scan for channels or fetch channels from listings source

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j2__:

I think i would shut down myth and use.. whats it called..... xawtv to see if you get any video from the card..

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godzirra:

I use mplayer /dev/video0 to verify. I got video then.

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godzirra:

I'm verifying again though.

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j2__:

fair enough, that should be working then.

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godzirra:

Yes, I definitely get video.

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godzirra:

and audio

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godzirra:

I just restarted my mythbackend, and i'm trying again

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j2__:

standard error "over here" is to mix up UHF with S-band channels.. but US are automatically picked up from the listings i think?

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godzirra:

I really have no idea...

[02:16:42]

godzirra:

Yeah, just a blank screen when I click "watch tv" in mythfront end.

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j2__:

and if yuo try to change channel?

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godzirra:

not sure... how do I change channels? :)

[02:17:15]

j2__:

keyboard? up/down arrow as default

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godzirra:

ok.

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godzirra:

It seems to stay black, and not display anything at all on the screen.

[02:17:33]

godzirra:

its just black.

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j2__:

uuhm... if should show you channel info.

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godzirra:

Just black.

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godzirra:

So obviously I did something wrong somewhere. ;)

[02:18:15]

godzirra:

Hrm.

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j2__:

M? (Menu?)

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godzirra:

nope.

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godzirra:

nothing.

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j2__:

and you have updated with mythfilldatabase?

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godzirra:

i have, though I'm not sure how that knows where I'm reading from...

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godzirra:

ooooh... error.

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godzirra:

TV Error: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start.

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godzirra:

TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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godzirra:

TV: Deleting TV Chain in destructor

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j2__:

[Adam Savage accent: ON] Well THERE'S your Problem!

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j2__:

:)

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j2__:

...whatever it means tho *scratch head*

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godzirra:

Heh.

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j2__:

well at least something to feed google.

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godzirra:

Hrm.

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godzirra:

in mythbackend.log I get some things....

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godzirra:

I'll pastebin them and see if they shed any light.

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j2__:

Sorry, but i have no idea what that means tho.

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godzirra:

I'll put my log on the web so you can see it :0

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godzirra:

;)

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j2__:

Well, THAT i knew

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godzirra:

oh, ok :) http://pastebin.com/d3386ff28

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godzirra:

Hrm, now I just got 2007-11–17 21:25:17.031 NVR: Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back

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godzirra:

VIDIOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument

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j2__:

Take a look at 21:17:20.484

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godzirra:

huh?

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GreyFoxx:

godzirra: That error usually means you picked the wrong tuner type in mythtv-setup

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j2__:

I never had to use software porfiles, since all my cards are hardware MPEG-cards.

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godzirra:

Ahh.

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j2__:

Good point.. what ype DID you chose?

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godzirra:

one sec, going back in.

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godzirra:

under "Capture Cards" ?

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godzirra:

j2__: my card is a hardware mpeg card too...

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godzirra:

according to the box at least.

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godzirra:

Ahh... I'm using "Analog V4L capture card" ... what -should- I be using?

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godzirra:

I see... docs apparently say treat it like a x50

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j2__:

I would guess .. MPEG?

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|Torg|:

no, what card is it?

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godzirra:

Win-TV PVR USB 2

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godzirra:

But the docs for it on the wiki specifically say to choose mpeg, and treat it like a hauppauge x50 :)

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|Torg|:

what driver does it use?

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godzirra:

pvrusb2

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j2__:

Well PVR-x50 are 'MPEG'

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godzirra:

Right.

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j2__:

gibve it a whirl

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godzirra:

Righwoot!

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godzirra:

I've got video.

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godzirra:

Its a little grainy but i've got it.

[02:32:19]

godzirra:

Hrm. Still not working right, but at least I have video.

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j2__:

It IS connected on a USB2.0, right? :)

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godzirra:

and audio is garbled as heck

[02:32:30]

godzirra:

Yeah.

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j2__:

else i could account for grainy. :)

[02:32:55]

godzirra:

Yeah, the picture's not great.

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j2__:

check the logs again?

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godzirra:

the audio is ok now when I made it live.

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godzirra:

up and down arrows aren't changing channels.

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godzirra:

And it doesnt show any sort of the channels or anything.

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godzirra:

how does the fill backend script no where to get data from? Or where you're from?

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godzirra:

*know not no

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j2__:

godzirra: you tell it in mythsetup

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j2__:

when you chose which grabber to use.

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godzirra:

Hrm... I must have missed that too... darnit.

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j2__:

its under video sources

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godzirra:

I told it North America (DataDirect) ... do I need to register somewhere first?

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j2__:

out of my ballpark. Over here, the rest of the process is manual :)

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|Torg|:

DataDirect no longer exists

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godzirra:

Oh.

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godzirra:

Well crud... what shuold I be choosing?

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j2__:

oh, i knew that! :)

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GreyFoxx:

What version are you running ?

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godzirra:

one sec.

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Weezey:

dangit. Hating the visualizations, or the lack thereof. I just don't get it.

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godzirra:

Hmm. how do I tell?

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godzirra:

dpkg -l | grep mythtv says 0.20-svn20070122

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viridari:

godzirra: for listings you either need to pay for those from SchedulesDirect or you need to cross your fingers and hope the free EIT listings work

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GreyFoxx:

that's too old to use the new north american listings provider SchedulesDirect

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pooyak:

running mythtv crashes my X

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godzirra:

Well crud.

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pooyak:

is there any X configuration that I should change?

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** viridari pays **

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godzirra:

Should I just uninstall and install from the mythtv site?

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GreyFoxx:

godzirra: You basically can uyse either SD, or go find afree script osmwhere (which tend to suck)

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|Torg|:

or use EIT and lock up your tuners

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godzirra:

Is it worth it to just upgrade?

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|Torg|:

yes

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godzirra:

ok.

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viridari:

it is also worth it to shell out the lousy $20/yr for good listings

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godzirra:

Well, right now I'm trying to decide whether I like mythtv enough to get rid of tivo.

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godzirra:

Or more accurately, whether I can get my wife to like it enough to dump tivo ;)

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GreyFoxx:

godzirra: They give 7 days free trial

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GreyFoxx:

but after that it's $20 for a year of data

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godzirra:

Yeah, thats not bad.

[02:43:29]

godzirra:

I'll probably go for that after I verify that we're going with this instead of tivo.

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viridari:

the more subscribers they get, the lower the price goes. They already dropped it and extended the subscriptions of the earlier adopters who paid more $$$.

[02:44:03]

godzirra:

Nice.

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GreyFoxx:

Started out as $15 for 3 months :)

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|Torg|:

then $15 for 6, and now $15 for 9

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Weezey:

yeah man

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Weezey:

good deal

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j2__:

*LOL* You know its gonna be interesting when a cabdriver (yeah i know him, but still) calls with a heads up that he is bringing your girl over *lol*

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godzirra:

Ok. Compiling now.

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godzirra:

lol

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godzirra:

nice.

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godzirra:

Huh. I wonder why xorg is eating up such a ridiculous amount of memory. :/ i'm not even running compiz.

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cmoates:

X used to (still?) count the memory it needed in the framebuffer on your video card in it's memory count

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shaggyoaf:

Hi, everybody. I'm having some lirc troubles. I've got the lirc_mceusb2 driver in, it has created /dev/lirc0 and I'm able to see garbage out to the screen when I cat that device and press buttons on the remote

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shaggyoaf:

and I've got a file in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf that I believe contains the right mappings for my remote

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shaggyoaf:

but irw doesn't show me anything when I hit buttons

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shaggyoaf:

anybody know where the breakdown might be?

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pooyak:

shaggyoaf, I just the same problem

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pooyak:

do you have a .lirc in your home?

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shaggyoaf:

pooyak, why, no... No, I don't

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pooyak:

do you have lircd running?

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shaggyoaf:

yes

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pooyak:

stop it

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shaggyoaf:

done

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pooyak:

and run it manually with /dev/lirc0

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pooyak:

i think it was --device

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pooyak:

see if it makes any difference

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shaggyoaf:

no difference

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shaggyoaf:

lircd --device=/dev/lirc0; irw

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shaggyoaf:

right?

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pooyak:

yes

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shaggyoaf:

were you expecting it to make a difference?

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pooyak:

now irw should run

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pooyak:

and when you press buttons

[02:54:57]

pooyak:

it should print stuff

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pooyak:

the problem on my machine was that

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pooyak:

it was using /dev/lircd rather than /dev/lirc0

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shaggyoaf:

huh

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shaggyoaf:

mine isn't doing that

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shaggyoaf:

...maybe I should be using lircd?

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pooyak:

do you have a /dev/lircd as well?

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shaggyoaf:

pooyak, I have: lirc lirc0 lircd lircm

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techjim:

so what do you guys think about the new everex pc at walmart? http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/11/hands-on-with-e.html probably won't do HD but think it could handle FE/BE?

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godzirra:

Hrm, now when I try compiling, I keep getting an error saying it can't find -lqt-mt

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godzirra:

Hmm.. I think I got past it.

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godzirra:

Anyone know if cable boxes can output via rca as well as coax? Or is it one or the otherm, never both?

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Anduin:

godzirra: They are going to send both, the coax out (not RF-bypass) would not be tunable though.

[03:08:25]

godzirra:

Ahh, ok.

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godzirra:

Darn.

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godzirra:

Was hoping I would be able to get aroudn having only one cable box without unplugging it from the tv.

[03:08:53]

godzirra:

(I don't have a tv out card yet)

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Anduin:

You can, you just need to be careful not to change the channel while recording (something that is nearly impossible, better to have a cable box you never use and lose the remote)

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godzirra:

Well, this is temporary.

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godzirra:

wait... I can't change the cable box channel at all

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godzirra:

on the cable box... right?

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Anduin:

godzirra: Maybe back to step one, what is your goal?

[03:11:12]

godzirra:

To convince my wife to switch frmo tivo to myth. ;) Maybe to step two is where we want...

[03:11:21]

godzirra:

I can only get channels 2–13 if I go direct from the coax from the wall.

[03:11:25]

godzirra:

I'm trying to get more channels than 2–13.

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Anduin:

Yeah, capturing from the cable box's composite is eventually needed, with an IR "blaster" or serial cable (or working firewire for some things)

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godzirra:

ok.

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godzirra:

Yeah, thats the way the tivo is setup too.

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Anduin:

You generally should be able to get > channel 13 with coax, even with "digital" cable most of the analog stuff remains the same.

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godzirra:

Hmmm... ok. I had it scan channels before and it stopped at 13.

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godzirra:

i'll try again when I finish compiling the newest version.

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techjim:

just curious guys- how many schedules direct subscribers are there are out there?

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Anduin:

godzirra: channel scanning is the worst feature if you are using SD

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Anduin:

techjim: at least two

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godzirra:

Good to know.

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godzirra:

well I'm not using anything yet :)

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techjim:

Anduin: speculation ;)

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jams:

i suspect it stopped at 13 because the freq was set to broadcast instead of cable.

[03:15:49]

jams:

althought just plugging in the coax to the back of the tv would let you know for sure if they are sending more then 13 channels.

[03:16:01]

Anduin:

That is likely, though it is mostly miss-or-miss even if set right.

[03:16:16]

godzirra:

That s very possible.

[03:16:26]

jams:

yeah, can't say i ever scanned my ananlog cards

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godzirra:

Is 512 megs of ram enough if you're using an encoder with a hardware mpeg encoder?

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Anduin:

godzirra: more than

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godzirra:

Sweet.

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jams:

Anduin- just as an FYI is is possible to set the bg for that mythvideo screen I asked about yesterday. I was doing something stupid, which is why it didn't work.

[03:17:48]

godzirra:

Well crap... I keep getting errors when compiling.. this one isn't clear.

[03:18:31]

godzirra:

tv_play.cpp: In member function ‘void TV::DoDisplayJumpMenu()’: tv_play.cpp:6150: warning: unused variable ‘LiveTVInAllPrograms’

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godzirra:

[tv_play.o] Error 1

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Anduin:

jams: Yeah, I peeked at the code so was mostly certain it should work, didn't actually try as my mythvideo I can get to easily is badly broken (well not broken, jut not building yet)

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godzirra:

then [sub-libmythtv] Error 2....

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jams:

heh

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Anduin:

godzirra: That isn't the error stopping the build.

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godzirra:

http://pastebin.com/m4430a20c

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godzirra:

Thats the whole log

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godzirra:

ahh, nevermind, I just saw it =p no freetype header

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Anduin:

Yup

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godzirra:

Hmm.. libfreetype6 and 6-dev is installed though.

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godzirra:

:/

[03:23:58]

godzirra:

what the heck am I missing?

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Anduin:

godzirra: pkg-config --cflags freetype2 works?

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Anduin:

(you shouldn't be missing anything, missing freetype should stop at configure)

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godzirra:

It returns -I/usr/include/freetype2

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godzirra:

and in /usr/include/freetype2/freetype/config/ is ftheader.h

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mzb_d800:

godzirra: FYI: I have external mpeg encoder and using 256MB (on a good day ... sometimes machine only starts with 192MB ;) ... long story)

[03:31:13]

godzirra:

nice.

[03:31:36]

godzirra:

I was thinking about getting a really tiny mini atx or something with a big drive or something and seeing how well that works.

[03:31:40]

godzirra:

but thats al ong ways away...

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mzb_d800:

p3–650 not *quite* enough to watch comfortably (if using combined FE+BE on same machine)

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godzirra:

after ... you know... compiling =p

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mzb_d800:

800+ is fine

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mzb_d800:

(although ffw/rew not good)

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godzirra:

Anyone have any ideas why I'm failing because ti says I'm missing ftheader.h?

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mzb_d800:

google?

[03:32:52]

godzirra:

Yeah, I have been... I've not yet found anything.

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godzirra:

Whats weird is I -have- that file.

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Anduin:

godzirra: can you paste your config.mak

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Anduin:

godzirra: You have the file but your include path doesn't have /usr/include/freetype2 (and the file is relative to that directory)

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godzirra:

http://pastebin.com/m3c8c5a5d

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Anduin:

godzirra: ok and config.err (you should have a FREETYPE_CFLAGS and FREETYPE_LIBS in config.mak)

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godzirra:

http://pastebin.com/m3ed45921

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Anduin:

godzirra: freetype-config --version?

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godzirra:

9.10.3

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Anduin:

godzirra: uname -s?

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godzirra:

linux? :)

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Anduin:

Yeah, all should be working

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Anduin:

godzirra: I'd rerun configure, you should see it checking for freetype2 in config.err

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godzirra:

Hrm... I get this about 8 times before configure actually starts: cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory

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Anduin:

Yeah, that should be ok, the paste site limited your config.err paste so it is probably in there, just didn't make the paste

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godzirra:

ok.

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godzirra:

gcc -I/usr/include/freetype2 -c -o /tmp/ffmpeg-conf--18846-.o /tmp/ffmpeg-conf--18846-.c

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godzirra:

?

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Anduin:

Yes

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godzirra:

hmmm.. maybe running configure and just remaking is going to work.

[03:47:06]

godzirra:

Nope.

[03:47:08]

godzirra:

exact same error.

[03:47:15]

godzirra:

I guess I'll do a make clean.

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godzirra:

config.err -still- shows a freetype error.

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godzirra:

sigh.

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Anduin:

godzirra: Which error?

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Anduin:

(that line was just it compiling)

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godzirra:

/usr/include/ft2build.h:56:39: error: /freetype/config/ftheader.h: No such file or directory

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Anduin:

You see that in config.err?

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godzirra:

Yes.

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Anduin:

after the: gcc -I/usr/include/freetype2 -c -o /tmp/ffmpeg-conf--1?

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godzirra:

I manually removed config.err, ran configure, and it showed up there.

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godzirra:

Yes.

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godzirra:

Ahh, I think I may have it.

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godzirra:

We'll see in a second.

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Anduin:

godzirra: can you pastebin your ft2build.h file

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godzirra:

It was /freetype/config/ftheader.h this time, from when I manually edited it to specifically show where ftheader.h was.

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Anduin:

ah, yeah, that was why I wanted to see the header, leading / shouldn't have been there

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godzirra:

Yeah...

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floppyears:

hi guys

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godzirra:

It -wasn't- there to begin with t hough when I started getting the error.

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floppyears:

I'm upgrading to the latest svn anything I should be aware of ?

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godzirra:

heya floppyears

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xris:

floppyears: beware the jabberwock

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xris:

and the jubjub bird

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floppyears:

xris: ?

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xris:

sorry, misread "aware of" as "beware of"

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godzirra:

And especially the frumious bandersnatch.

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xris:

godzirra: no, you're supposed to shun him/her.

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godzirra:

My mistake. Its been a long while since I've ran into the frumious bandersnatch.

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xris:

heh. I had to look it up, myself

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** xris waits for vista (vmware) to finish applying updates. **

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klpt:

Does this mean anything to anyone: mixer unable to find control Master 1

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klpt:

?

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klpt:

Every time I push the volume control in myth, one of those errors shows up in my log... yet the volume control seems to work just fine. I'm rather confused.

[04:01:07]

floppyears:

do you guys run mythtv from svn ?

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xris:

klpt: run: amixer

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xris:

probably means your audio device isn't called "master"

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xris:

floppyears: I do, but I haven't upgraded in a couple of weeks

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klpt:

alright, i'll check – but why then does it work?

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klpt:

I have one called 'Master',0

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floppyears:

xris: any problems ? how often is it good to update ?

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floppyears:

xris: livetv is useless :(

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floppyears:

while watching a tv show, it just hangs :(

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klpt:

is mythtv.org down?

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xris:

floppyears: no clue. I don't watch livetv through myth

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xris:

klpt: looks fine to me.. then again, I just fixed it. :)

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floppyears:

xris: me neither, but the w and other poeple in the house do, and are pissed at me :(

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xris:

that's no good

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xris:

mine's just upset that mythtv keeps failing to record things because of a firewire bug

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godzirra:

yay! Finished compiling.

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godzirra:

god damnit.

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godzirra:

now when I run mythtv-setup, I get this: mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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godzirra:

what the heck am I doing wrong here?

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Anduin:

godzirra: your /usr/local/lib may not be searched

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godzirra:

Apparently not.

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Anduin:

add it to /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig

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godzirra:

I just need to add "include /usr/local/lib" right?

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Anduin:

godzirra: no, just /usr/local/lib

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clever[rev]:

include is to include another conf file

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godzirra:

aHH OK

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klpt:

what does "XvMCTex: Init failed" mean?

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clever[rev]:

means XvMC failed to init

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godzirra:

LOTS of unable to connect to database errors.

[04:24:27]

godzirra:

do I have to setup the database before I run mythtv-setup ?

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clever[rev]:

something in the area of the texture initing

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klpt:

yet video still plays back with very low cpu usage?

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clever[rev]:

klpt: could be a minor error then

[04:25:08]

clever[rev]:

if theres no actual problem you can probly ignore it

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klpt:

hmm... i hate errors. i like making them go away

[04:25:33]

klpt:

the actual problem

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klpt:

is that i can't adjust my picture using the xv controls

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clever[rev]:

i dont beleive im even using XvMC here

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clever[rev]:

20–30% cpu usage durring playback

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clever[rev]:

nvidia card

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klpt:

i have an nvidia 6150 chipset

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klpt:

and playing back analog TV takes about 9%

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clever[rev]:

geforce 4

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clever[rev]:

mx 440

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clever[rev]:

128mb mem i think(from looking in lspci

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godzirra:

Anyone know?

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jandshog:

does any one have any ideas on how to get the remote with the pvr-150 to work?

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godzirra:

How do you create the initial mythconverg database?

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Anduin:

godzirra: Yes, mc.sql, should be covered in any good setup docs

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xris:

jandshog: lirc?

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jandshog:

thats right

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xris:

jandshog: I was answering your question.. you use lirc to get the remote to work

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jandshog:

i have followed blushingpeguins guide

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jandshog:

but when i get to mod probe, i get aFATAL:errot inserting lirc_pvr150 unknown symbol

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xris:

sounds like the module didn't compile

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godzirra:

Anduin: Yeah, I ran that but I still can't connect.

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godzirra:

I did sudo mysql < database/mc.sql

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godzirra:

but mysql -u mythtv mythconverg -p

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godzirra:

with mythtv as the password. I failed.

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godzirra:

*It

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jandshog:

any suggestions?

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Anduin:

godzirra: How? (with what error)

[04:48:27]

godzirra:

http://pastebin.com/d7c3a219d

[04:48:30]

godzirra:

repeatedly.

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Anduin:

godzirra: You don't have the 1t MySQL driver installed

[04:49:10]

Anduin:

er Qt

[04:49:13]

godzirra:

Ah.

[04:49:16]

Anduin:

stupid fingers

[04:49:56]

godzirra:

Hey, look at that.

[04:50:48]

mzb_d800:

I want to renumber my tuners. I assume that the best approach is to delete them all, reset the auto-index on the capturecard table and then just add all the tuners again ... right?

[04:50:49]

godzirra:

cRAP.

[04:51:00]

godzirra:

Sigh.

[04:51:03]

godzirra:

It doesn't detect my card now.

[04:52:33]

mzb_d800:

godzirra: run "mythtv-setup -v all" .. in the first few lines it will tell you which mysql.txt file it's using ... you *probably* need to be running it as the mythtv user instead of root (or someone else)

[04:52:38]

Anduin:

mzb_d800: something like that should work

[04:53:24]

mzb_d800:

Anduin: thanks ... I also assume that it would be *really*bad* to try manually renumbering ... nah don't bother answering that ...:)

[04:53:40]

mzb_d800:

I seem to recall a mention somewhere that the master backend must have a tuner, right?

[04:53:50]

godzirra:

What do I want to use as my listings grabber for now?

[04:53:51]

Anduin:

mzb_d800: I've done it, seemed preferable to me

[04:54:03]

mzb_d800:

hmm

[04:54:21]

mzb_d800:

ok ... just wondered if those numbers were anything but cosmetic

[04:54:49]

Anduin:

I'm mostly sure they are only referenced in cardinput

[04:55:27]

mzb_d800:

ok

[04:55:43]

Anduin:

godzirra: SD has some trial period

[04:55:50]

godzirra:

Hrm. Ok.

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mzb_d800:

now ... if the master backend does need a tuner (I'm pretty sure I've got that right) ... am I going likely to have problems later on if I move it elsewhere? (it's external and due to aerial problems it's final location is undecided .... possibly as far as the rubbish bin;)

[04:58:16]

mzb_d800:

s/going//

[04:59:04]

mzb_d800:

the other tuners & framegrabbers *should* give much better quality (for a start)

[04:59:13]

mzb_d800:

(not convinced about the framegrabber atm;)

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Anduin:

mzb_d800: moving the tuner is as easy as changing hostname associated with it in capturecard

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mzb_d800:

ok, I see ... but that still doesn't solve the problem with the prerequisite that the master backend must have a tuner

[05:03:32]

mzb_d800:

I'll see how I go ... moving the backend might prove tricky|undesirable

[05:03:38]

godzirra:

Why the heck am I getting unauthorized from schedulesdirect? :/

[05:06:03]

clever[rev]:

mzb_d800: you could just change one of your slave backends into the master

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clever[rev]:

mzb_d800: might be as simple as changing the master backend ip and restarting everything

[05:06:38]

mzb_d800:

I have a combined FE+BE which is acting as master

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mzb_d800:

the problem is it's also the slowest machine (apart from the router;) that runs in the house

[05:07:06]

clever[rev]:

same here

[05:07:10]

clever[rev]:

but if you had a slave be with better signal you could move the card over and make it master

[05:07:14]

mzb_d800:

so I'd hoped to move the MBE to the Xen VM

[05:07:29]

clever[rev]:

i dont see why you need a card on the master at all

[05:07:33]

mzb_d800:

got an interesting situation with the framegrabber ... I've been given a digital tuner (dvb) which is locked onto a particular channel (not a bad choice either), and the remote does not work ... I've tried resetting, shorting pins internally ... everything ... I can't even destroy it! :)) ... so the idea is to set it up as a dedicated digital TDT channel

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mzb_d800:

clever[rev]: I'm pretty sure it's in the wiki

[05:07:58]

Anduin:

clever[rev]: I'm not sure if it is still true, but it used to not start, a bogus entry works though.

[05:08:07]

clever[rev]:

ah

[05:08:20]

clever[rev]:

could be why i had trouble when turning my slave laptop into the master

[05:09:49]

** clever[rev] goes off to get some sleep **

[05:11:13]

godzirra:

how long does the database fill usually take?

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mzb_d800:

if you're in .au ... at least 1/2 hr ;)

[05:11:55]

mzb_d800:

(shepherd)

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Anduin:

godzirra: The first time is slow, almost two weeks of data (even a day is slow though)

[05:12:56]

godzirra:

How slow is slow?

[05:13:05]

godzirra:

an hour? hours? more?

[05:13:22]

kdubya:

mine takes like a minute

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godzirra:

Mine jus finished.

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godzirra:

Hrm. I still can't change channels using the up and down arrows, or get a menu by hitting "m"

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mzb_d800:

any multirec users awake that can tell me a little bit of theory behind "Input Groups" ???

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godzirra:

I have to hit the up or down arrows then hit enter twice... for it to actually change.

[05:18:48]

godzirra:

and it still doesn't display any of the channels or the programs running.

[05:22:04]

godzirra:

how do I change it so I don't have to hit enter to change the channel?

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mzb_d800:

I've been using multirec for a few(?) weeks, but I can't say I really understand the input group concept

[05:25:09]

mzb_d800:

I have however, noticed a couple of nice things (even with just one dvb tuner) like overlap of softpad between two concurrent shows (on the same channel ... not just the same transport)

[05:25:31]

godzirra:

And for some reason its still very grainy.

[05:36:27]

godzirra:

yeah, any fast movements are horribly horribly grainy. Anyone have any ideas?

[05:38:07]

GreyFoxx:

Sounds like you need to turn on deinterlacing during playback

[05:38:33]

GreyFoxx:

mzb: I only have the single dvb card in use on mine, haven't really paid much attention to the input group stuff

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godzirra:

how do I do that?

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GreyFoxx:

It's in the frontend setup menus under playback

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mzb_d800:

GreyFoxx: thanks ... I'll play a bit more ;)

[05:40:48]

godzirra:

I found it.

[05:41:03]

godzirra:

linear blend?

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GreyFoxx:

Personally I prefer kerneldeint

[05:41:18]

GreyFoxx:

but ymmv

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godzirra:

Still pretty grainy. Not sure about motion blur yet.

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mzb_d800:

getting overlap on two episodes of Raymond is petty cool ... on a single # ;)

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mzb_d800:

not sure if that happens if they are OR are not in the same input group

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GreyFoxx:

godzirra: Have you trying playing directly from the tuner using anopther app to ensure it's not the hardware/connection ?

[05:42:54]

godzirra:

nope. let me try that now.

[05:43:02]

GreyFoxx:

mplayer /dev/video0

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GreyFoxx:

or somesuch

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godzirra:

Hrm...

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godzirra:

mplayer /dev/video0 gets -really- screwed up picture. much worse than myth did.

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mzb_d800:

grr ... now I'm back to the problem of mythtv-setup segfaulting every time I try to add a card! .... hmmph

[05:44:48]

godzirra:

So that didnt really show me much ;)

[05:46:37]

godzirra:

Hrm... in the myth frontend logs, I get something saying "Realtime priority would require SUID as root"

[05:46:49]

GreyFoxx:

You can generally ignore that

[05:47:03]

godzirra:

ok, I was wondering if thath ad anything to do with the graininess.

[05:47:24]

godzirra:

Hrm. Anything else i can try?

[05:47:30]

godzirra:

Its definitely a lot more grainy than on my tv.

[05:47:51]

GreyFoxx:

The problem here is defining terms

[05:47:57]

godzirra:

I expected a little more since tv is such a lower resolution, but its pretty bad.

[05:47:58]

GreyFoxx:

"grainy" It's very specific :)

[05:48:04]

godzirra:

heh.

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GreyFoxx:

try a capture to afile and play on another system see if it's the content

[05:48:29]

GreyFoxx:

If it's a pvr based tuner

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GreyFoxx:

cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg

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GreyFoxx:

waiting 20 seconds, and CTRL-C

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GreyFoxx:

copy file.mpg to another machine and play it

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godzirra:

http://test.jomamma.com/file.mpg

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Anduin:

Some people notice a difference when chancing the default capture resolution as well.

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GreyFoxx:

I see some weird wavy signal in there

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GreyFoxx:

watchable, but that would annoy me

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GreyFoxx:

bad cable or bad splitter?

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godzirra:

Hmm, could be a bad splitter I suppose...

[05:52:59]

godzirra:

its not that way on the tv, and its teh same splitter.

[05:54:19]

godzirra:

the splitter was purchased earlier tonight though, so I dunno.

[05:54:47]

GreyFoxx:

Could be the cable, loose terminator, could be a crappy tuner :)

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godzirra:

It could be. Nothing on the wiki had much bad to say about it though.

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a1fa:

yo yo yo

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godzirra:

howdy.

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a1fa:

anybody using zoneminder plugin with mythtv?

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godzirra:

Anduin: what shuold I change my resolution to?

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Anduin:

godzirra: depends, some versions of the x50 firmware have trouble scaling at anything but max I believe

[05:59:39]

godzirra:

max being 720x480?

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Anduin:

yes

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godzirra:

Thats what I had it on :/

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godzirra:

it didnt look any different than the default I had it on, which is 480x480

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Anduin:

Yeah, you have some ghosting which isn't how the bas scaling looked

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godzirra:

Any other ideas?

[06:01:55]

godzirra:

So far this isn't doing horribly well. :/

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a1fa:

so no one is using zoneminder with their mythtv box

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Anduin:

If you remove the splitter does it look better?

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godzirra:

let me try it.

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godzirra:

i'm rebooting in a second. Just had to install some new packages, and its been asking for a reboot forevefr.

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godzirra:

...

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godzirra:

didn't occur to me that Iw as ircing on that same box through SSH.

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godzirra:

;)

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klpt:

anyone using an a180 hdtv card?

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godzirra:

Anduin: gonna lose net for a sec while I try without the splitter

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godzirra:

brb.

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godzirra_:

definitely still grainy without the splitter.

[06:13:07]

pooyak:

aah, it did it again

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pooyak:

crashes the X

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godzirra:

definitely still grainy without the splitter.

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godzirra_:

Anduin: What else can I try? :/ Like I said, its pretty good quality on teh tv.

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pooyak:

okay finnally got it to work

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Anduin:

godzirra_: just for quality comparison you may want to try composite/S-video for input (the 150 tuner is supposed to be better but I've never seen a 250/350 that looked that great)

[06:21:29]

godzirra_:

Hmm. ok.

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pooyak:

the volume keys needs pressing multiple times though

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godzirra_:

S-Video from ... where?

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pooyak:

i mean I can't hold it

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Anduin:

godzirra_: or composite, depends on what you have

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godzirra_:

Its got both.

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mzb_d800:

pooyak: lirc? relearn your remote codes ... if that doesnt improve, try raw mode

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godzirra_:

But connect it from where to where/

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godzirra_:

?

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mzb_d800:

a1fa: I've got zone minder on some of my boxes, but still fighting tuner challenges before I get into that :)

[06:24:18]

godzirra_:

the cable box to the tuner?

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Anduin:

godzirra_: Yes

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godzirra_:

ok. one sec.

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mzb_d800:

ah ... now something I can't figure out ... I've got zoom|aspect off for my two dvb tuners, but the framegrabber connected to the locked tuner needs 16:9 ... is there a way of having source-specific, or channel-specific settings? (I haven't found any yet)

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mzb_d800:

colour, hue, brightness ... no aspect as default :(( hmm ... ah well ... woman is telling me to light BBQ ... have to take a break for a while and have a think about it ;)

[06:35:04]

mzb_d800:

also ... how do you balance volume from different inputs?

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pooyak:

have fun bbqing ;)

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mzb_d800:

(the locked tuner is in "low volume")

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mzb_d800:

pooyak: thanks :)

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mzb_d800:

she bought me the bbq so she could avoid cooking :)

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mzb_d800:

but at least I've got an old beer fridge next to it :))))

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pooyak:

lol. she knows men very well

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mzb_d800:

:) not bad for a young one :)

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mzb_d800:

(I'm a cradle snatcher)

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mzb_d800:

must have been well trained by her Dad ;)

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pooyak:

:)

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mzb_d800:

anyway ... before she loses concentration on the (Linux) computer game she's playing I'll sneak downstairs and see what I can set on fire ;))

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godzirra_:

Hrm.

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godzirra_:

Anduin: still looks grainy as hell. I guess its a problem with the card then?

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godzirra_:

Anduin: http://test.jomamma.com/file.mpg

[06:40:02]

godzirra_:

actually wait a minute... I dont think it was working right.

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godzirra_:

Hmm.. I changed to composite, but i only get static?

[06:42:50]

godzirra_:

oh, because I'm an idiot.

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godzirra_:

nevermind

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pooyak:

godzirra_, on my tv I had some problems with colors and sound when so I changed ntsc-something to nstc-m

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pooyak:

and it worked

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pooyak:

(i'm talking about my real crappy tv)

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godzirra_:

pooyak: I can try that, but my main problem is that its hella grainy.

[06:43:51]

pooyak:

you might want to check these type of settings as well

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pooyak:

mine was very similar to that. noisy and no sound

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godzirra_:

I only have an option for ntsc

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pooyak:

i could change the frequency by a bit to get a better picture

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godzirra_:

no ntsc-somethingelse

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pooyak:

yeah. don't know about that on capture cards

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pooyak:

try settings the freqs manually

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pooyak:

is it ivtv?

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godzirra_:

what is ivtv?

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godzirra_:

Anduin: even through composite its hella grainy.

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pooyak:

for my PVR-150 i can use ivtv-tune command to set

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pooyak:

channels and frequency

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pooyak:

and use mplayer to watch it

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godzirra_:

ok

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floppyears:

quick question guys

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floppyears:

I just did an svn up on mythtv

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floppyears:

what updates do I need to do to the db ?

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cesman:

none

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cesman:

when you run it for the first time, it should update the db if need be

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floppyears:

cool thanks cesman

[06:50:19]

cesman:

you're welcome

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godzirra_:

pooyak: how do you change frequency? And to what exactyl?

[06:52:09]

godzirra_:

At this point, it looks like I'm watching a really crappy drive in movie.

[06:52:19]

godzirra_:

or a pirated version of a movie someone did with a video camera =p

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Anduin:

godzirra_: from composite it will not make a difference

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pooyak:

I didn't really need to do that on my tuner but yes I can change the freq with

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pooyak:

ivtv-tune

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godzirra_:

Anduin: I tried svideo too.

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pooyak:

try ivtv-tune -c 1

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godzirra_:

Anduin: same thing.

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pooyak:

try ivtv-tune -c 2

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pooyak:

and then it prints a freq number

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godzirra_:

pooyak: I saw.

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pooyak:

then try changing that by a bit

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pooyak:

and pass it to -f

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godzirra_:

And I'll hve to do this on every single channel? :)

[06:53:52]

godzirra_:

It doesnt seem to make much of a difference.

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godzirra_:

well, it does, but not for the better.

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godzirra_:

Take a look again at http://test.jomamma.com/file.mpg ... Its not just me... that -is- bad quality right?

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levander:

Could someone who's running TVOutFormat COMPONENT and TVStandard HD480i tell me what their desktop resolution is?

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godzirra_:

Anyone? :)

[07:12:33]

pooyak:

huh!

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levander:

godzirra_: it's downloading here

[07:12:41]

pooyak:

this looks good to me

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levander:

godzirra_: i think it's downloading

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pooyak:

interlaced though

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godzirra_:

pooyak: huh? it looked grainy as hellw hen I was looking at it...

[07:13:07]

godzirra_:

and deinterlace is checked. :/

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pooyak:

I have to set deinterlace on mine as well.

[07:13:55]

godzirra_:

But its already checked on mine..

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pooyak:

sorry that was just a memory dump ;)

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godzirra_:

lol

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pooyak:

still downloading here

[07:14:39]

godzirra_:

Oh ok.

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pooyak:

but what I can see is not that bad. I'm not an expert though

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pooyak:

do you have an internal card?

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godzirra_:

Its a pvr usb2.

[07:16:13]

godzirra_:

ing movies that are like 10 yearso ld though.

[07:16:38]

godzirra_:

I'm not an expert either, but I know that it doesnt look so bad on my tv.

[07:16:43]

pooyak:

let me cancel it to make it faster fo rothers

[07:17:16]

pooyak:

I assume you tried tweaking the cable and moving the box and stuff like that

[07:17:23]

pooyak:

and you didn't see any changes

[07:17:42]

godzirra_:

I tried unplugging it all and plugging it direct into the wall, and it didnt matter.

[07:19:02]

pooyak:

the box itself

[07:19:06]

pooyak:

can also be important

[07:19:07]

godzirra_:

I also tried svideo and composite direct from the cable box. It didnt work either.

[07:19:08]

pooyak:

is it a box?

[07:19:25]

pooyak:

try moving it farther from the computer

[07:19:28]

godzirra_:

oh.

[07:19:44]

godzirra_:

does't seem to make any difference.

[07:19:46]

pooyak:

i know my computer makes a lot of noise on my tv when they are near

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pooyak:

but yeah I guess a good tuner should have enough shielding

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godzirra_:

Its a hauppauge... But so far the graininess is horrible.

[07:20:22]

mchou:

pooyak: which card do you have?

[07:20:41]

pooyak:

mchou, i have a pvr-150 but it is godzirra_ having problem ;)

[07:20:48]

mchou:

godzirra_: the tuner is mostly a joke on the hauppauge

[07:20:49]

godzirra_:

WinTV PVR USB2.

[07:21:00]

mchou:

use svideo :)

[07:21:04]

godzirra_:

I tried svideo.

[07:21:07]

mchou:

way better

[07:21:08]

godzirra_:

didnt matter. Still grainy as hell.

[07:21:27]

godzirra_:

Right now its direct coax from the wall. I've tried composite and svideo from the cable box as well.

[07:21:31]

mchou:

then it can only be the source material

[07:21:47]

godzirra_:

I guess. It doesn't happen on the tv.

[07:21:55]

mchou:

that means you probably have too many coax splitters in the house

[07:22:11]

pooyak:

btw, TVs have filters

[07:22:12]

godzirra_:

But ... it doesnt happen on the tv =p

[07:22:21]

pooyak:

so there's a chance that you tv is removing the noises

[07:22:22]

godzirra_:

And the tv tuner cards don't?

[07:22:23]

godzirra_:

that seems silly.

[07:22:47]

godzirra_:

Oh well. I guess I'll return tomorrow and stick with tivo. :/

[07:22:52]

mchou:

lol

[07:23:00]

godzirra_:

This is too grainy to replace it. :/

[07:23:08]

mchou:

ultimate tivo complement

[07:23:09]

pooyak:

but then you shouldn't see the grain if you connect the output back to tv

[07:23:13]

godzirra_:

Oh. Hmm.

[07:23:16]

godzirra_:

Thats true.

[07:23:29]

godzirra_:

I need to get a tv out card I guess.

[07:23:51]

pooyak:

are you using a laptop?

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godzirra_:

No. Though I should try hooking it up to my laptop.

[07:24:04]

godzirra_:

thats a good idea.

[07:24:05]

pooyak:

I mean doesn't it already have a tv-out

[07:24:16]

godzirra_:

My linux server doesn't.

[07:24:22]

godzirra_:

my laptop running ubuntu does though.

[07:24:28]

godzirra_:

Good call. I should try this.

[07:24:31]

pooyak:

so yeah. give that a try

[07:24:44]

mchou:

you wont be happy with TV out either

[07:24:58]

mchou:

yv out on most cards is also a joke

[07:25:05]

mchou:

tv*

[07:25:34]

mchou:

if you dont get good results on VGA you wont get good results anywhere

[07:25:50]

** godzirra_ sighs. **

[07:25:58]

godzirra_:

I was really looking forward to dumping tivo =p

[07:26:23]

mchou:

not saying VGA is end all be all, but bad stuff doesnt go away just simply because you add more stuff in the chain

[07:26:34]

godzirra_:

Yeah, I didnt think it would...

[07:27:09]

mchou:

godzirra_: you shouldnt be investing in a tv card anyways :)

[07:27:17]

mchou:

analog TV going away

[07:27:29]

mchou:

invest in a STB from the cableco :)

[07:27:35]

godzirra_:

an STBO1;2AO1;2AO1;2AO1;2A?

[07:27:38]

godzirra_:

erk.

[07:27:39]

drgeb:

When I try to watch a tv program or recorded show, mythtv seems to me like it crashes and restarts X. Any ideas how I can trouble shoot this issue?

[07:27:39]

godzirra_:

an STB?

[07:27:45]

mchou:

yup

[07:27:48]

mchou:

STB

[07:27:55]

mchou:

and use firewire

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drgeb:

I am running on AMD64 with Nvidia and Ubuntu Gutsy

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godzirra_:

the freaking gsynaptics not working on my laptop is pissing me off.

[07:28:06]

godzirra_:

what is an STB?

[07:28:16]

mchou:

set top box

[07:28:20]

godzirra_:

Ah.

[07:28:32]

pooyak:

drgeb, i just had that problem and I now run mythtv without the window manager

[07:28:51]

pooyak:

in console I run export DISPLAY=:1

[07:28:53]

pooyak:

and then mythtv

[07:29:02]

pooyak:

(or it could be :0 in your case)

[07:29:30]

drgeb:

uhh how do I configure it for without the window manager ?

[07:29:50]

mchou:

ssh

[07:30:10]

pooyak:

I also read somewhere that it could be because of the version of nvidia driver

[07:30:20]

pooyak:

but I'm using the latest one I guess

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mchou:

godzirra_: where you live?

[07:34:04]

godzirra_:

North Carolina

[07:34:08]

mchou:

and who is your cableco?

[07:34:11]

godzirra_:

Time Warner

[07:34:59]

mchou:

go over to you local cableco office and ask for a firewire STB

[07:35:23]

mchou:

they will charge you ~$7/mo for rental of that box

[07:35:28]

godzirra_:

bleh.

[07:35:46]

godzirra_:

tivo is sounding cheaper and cheaper =p

[07:35:58]

mchou:

but you are going to rent it max for one month.....

[07:35:58]

cmoates:

mchou, what channels can you expect to get out of firewire, just the nationals?

[07:36:11]

godzirra_:

Why would I be renting it for a max of one month?

[07:36:23]

mchou:

anything that's available OTA

[07:36:33]

cmoates:

So PBS, NBC, CBS, FOX, ABC

[07:36:41]

cmoates:

But not the other HD channels, like Discovery, etc

[07:36:46]

mchou:

godzirra_: just to find out which channels are in the clear

[07:36:51]

godzirra_:

ah

[07:36:58]

godzirra_:

They all work fine from my tivo though.

[07:37:01]

godzirra_:

Thats the problem.

[07:37:10]

mchou:

I get DiscHD, and a few others. They are in the clear here

[07:37:22]

cmoates:

mchou, nice, I don't get them clear QAM :(

[07:37:25]

mchou:

godzirra_: you have HD Tivo?

[07:37:35]

mchou:

cmoates: where you live?

[07:37:40]

cmoates:

I'm in Central PA

[07:37:47]

godzirra_:

mchou: nope. standard.

[07:37:53]

cmoates:

Comcast, with Verizon's FIOS TV "coming soon"

[07:37:58]

mchou:

cmoates: lemme guess, Dover? :)

[07:38:04]

cmoates:

No, Harrisburg

[07:38:18]

mchou:

cmoates: you live in Jesusland?

[07:38:20]

mchou:

:)

[07:38:29]

cmoates:

I thought that was Lancaster

[07:38:30]

cmoates:

;)

[07:38:37]

mchou:

godzirra_: the STB you get from cableco is HD

[07:38:51]

cmoates:

I live 4 blocks from a strip joint, not exactly what I'd call Jesusland :)

[07:39:11]

mchou:

cmoates: Dover was where all the Intelligent Design folks colored themselves STUPID

[07:39:15]

cmoates:

yeah

[07:39:20]

cmoates:

I have a buddy who lives down there

[07:39:26]

cmoates:

He saw his apartment on NOVA

[07:39:27]

cmoates:

heh

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mchou:

cmoates: upscale neighborhood :)

[07:39:41]

mchou:

cmoates: heh, saw that show too

[07:39:53]

drgeb:

got disconnected had to reboot. So how can I veify that I have the latest nvidia-drivers installed ?

[07:40:00]

godzirra_:

mchou: I don't have an HDTV.

[07:40:04]

mchou:

it's amazin the "Christians" purjured themselves

[07:40:15]

cmoates:

godzirra_, HD Tivo, with CableCARD, will get you more HD channels than Myth will

[07:40:20]

mchou:

godzirra_: you dont need HDTV to get HDTV quality

[07:40:33]

godzirra_:

Why do I care about hd channels?

[07:40:37]

drgeb:

puserj: I know in Restricted Drivers Manager I selected these to be on.

[07:40:42]

godzirra_:

and I sure as heck dont want to spend a few hundred bucks on hd tivo =-p

[07:40:52]

cmoates:

But if you're only interested in SD, Myth can get all the same channels you get with your non-cablecard tivo

[07:40:53]

mchou:

godzirra_: cause the picture quality will blow your socks off

[07:41:13]

mchou:

you wont ever watch SD TV again

[07:41:16]

cmoates:

no kidding

[07:41:32]

cmoates:

It made me cry that Law and Order Criminal Intent went over to USA, because that's not in HD :(

[07:41:37]

godzirra_:

Heh.

[07:41:44]

godzirra_:

I dont watch that much tv. Its mostly for my wife.

[07:41:46]

mchou:

godzirra_: which is why you go for a HD STB form the cableco

[07:42:39]

mchou:

godzirra_: I think you want your wife to peel her stockings :)

[07:42:43]

godzirra_:

mchou: Why? i'm confused as to why I want an HD STB.

[07:42:56]

godzirra_:

"peel her stockings"? Is this some euphemism for sex? :)

[07:43:03]

mchou:

godzirra_: yup

[07:43:26]

mchou:

cause once she gets HDTV quality you will get plenty :)

[07:43:43]

godzirra_:

lol.. luckily I get plenty as it is.

[07:44:17]

cmoates:

godzirra_, do you have a set top box feeding the tivo now? Or just cable straight into the tivo?

[07:44:29]

godzirra_:

Yeah, digital box into the tivo.

[07:44:54]

mchou:

digital box into SD Tivo?

[07:44:59]

mchou:

what a waste

[07:45:05]

godzirra_:

at least I think its digital.

[07:45:06]

** godzirra_ shrugs. **

[07:45:11]

godzirra_:

Time Warner calls everything digital.

[07:45:14]

cmoates:

And you don't sound overly interested in HD, so get a PVR150, rent an extra digital box for a few months, and feed it to the Myth

[07:45:17]

mchou:

no, you'd KNOW if its digital

[07:45:28]

godzirra_:

not really.. I dont watch much tv ;)

[07:45:37]

cmoates:

Decide if you like Myth over Tivo, turn off one of the two, return the second box

[07:46:02]

mchou:

I second cmoates' strategy

[07:46:20]

mchou:

better yet just rent a HD STB

[07:46:27]

mchou:

see if you like that

[07:46:35]

mchou:

cause that gets HD and SD

[07:46:57]

mchou:

and you pay probably the same $ anyways

[07:47:07]

godzirra_:

So why the settop with firewire?

[07:47:14]

cmoates:

godzirra_, what I'm not sure if mchou said, since I didn't read all the scrollback, is that an HD box will downconvert an HD signal to SD, for recording on Myth and/or tivo

[07:47:18]

mchou:

and you play with that for a month or so

[07:47:30]

cmoates:

And the quality of a downconverted HD signal is much better than an SD signal from the cable provider

[07:47:34]

godzirra_:

Got it.

[07:48:04]

cmoates:

Additionally, if you get a firewire enabled box, you can connect it via firewire to your myth box, with no TV card

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cmoates:

So you only need a firewire capable motherboard, or a firewire PCI card

[07:48:22]

cmoates:

(which is cheaper than a PVR150)

[07:48:32]

** godzirra_ nods. **

[07:48:32]

mchou:

godzirra_: see? cmoates is tell you now what I told ya earlier

[07:48:42]

mchou:

telling*

[07:48:48]

cmoates:

I told you I didn't read the scrollback :)

[07:49:01]

mchou:

not to mention PVR 150 will be obsolete soon anyways

[07:49:01]

godzirra_:

Yeah. I just like instant gratification, and I happened to find a pvr usb2 marked from 145 down to 84 at best buy.

[07:49:13]

cmoates:

Has your wife expressed any interest in switching away from the tivo?

[07:49:15]

godzirra_:

since they're apparently not in the best buy standard catalog anymore.

[07:49:17]

godzirra_:

yes.

[07:49:17]

mchou:

that $84 too much

[07:49:24]

godzirra_:

mchou: not retail.

[07:49:39]

mchou:

that's*

[07:49:43]

godzirra_:

our tivo broke (and after hours I managed to fix it) but tivo basically said "Eh. Sorry."

[07:49:49]

godzirra_:

even though it was their software update that broke it.

[07:49:51]

cmoates:

Well, minimally, you can feed it analog, and get whatever analog channels the cable company is still spitting out

[07:49:58]

mchou:

godzirra_: huh??

[07:50:09]

cmoates:

But the picture quality's going to be lower than Tivo, because it's being fed a digital cable signal

[07:50:16]

mchou:

tivo said sorry for the firmware fsck up?

[07:50:20]

godzirra_:

Yup.

[07:50:39]

mchou:

godzirra_: that's crazy

[07:50:40]

godzirra_:

After arguing with them over the course of 3 days, they finally said they'd replace it.

[07:50:48]

godzirra_:

but it was literally 6–7 hours.

[07:50:54]

mchou:

godzirra_: yeah, they better

[07:50:56]

godzirra_:

and resetting our box repeatedly (which lost all settings and programs)

[07:50:59]

godzirra_:

It was ridiculous.

[07:51:15]

godzirra_:

and I got it fixed by buying an instant cake cd and reimaging everything completely.

[07:51:25]

godzirra_:

so I had to take it apart, pull hard drives out, etc.

[07:51:26]

mchou:

lol

[07:51:47]

pooyak:

what are the keys for channel change in mythtv aren't they up/down?

[07:51:56]

mchou:

that's too much work for Tivo

[07:51:58]

godzirra_:

pooyak: up worked for me, for some reason down didn't.

[07:52:03]

cmoates:

yes, and enter to select, pooyak

[07:52:12]

godzirra_:

mchou: My wife loves her tivo. I got it for her for her birthday two years ago.

[07:52:16]

pooyak:

it shows me an an error: "adding char: unknown"

[07:52:25]

godzirra_:

the three days she didnt have it she was like "uhh.. I don't know how to watch tv... you mean I actually have to -be- here when a show comes on?"

[07:52:28]

pooyak:

or maybe it is "adding channel"

[07:52:29]

mchou:

godzirra_: not anymore she doesnt :)

[07:52:29]

godzirra_:

;)

[07:52:41]

godzirra_:

No, she still loves her tivo. She doesn't love Tivo.

[07:52:52]

godzirra_:

She's open to moving to something else though.

[07:52:54]

godzirra_:

at this point.

[07:53:19]

mchou:

godzirra_: anyway, stop yakking and get cracking

[07:53:20]

cmoates:

Myth is nice, but it does have some sharp edges that will not necessarily get along well with the wife

[07:53:34]

cmoates:

You should definitely try it though, and soon

[07:53:47]

cmoates:

Before the pain of the tivo-company incident wears off

[07:53:53]

mchou:

godzirra_: just get a HD STB and be done with this

[07:54:28]

mchou:

you just need $$ now for drives is all

[07:54:46]

pooyak:

cmoates, is there any way to disable the enter

[07:54:50]

godzirra_:

While my wife is not hardcore tech like me, she's savvy enough that I can give her an account on my linux box, or get her to restart my box, or run ipconfig etc if I give her the commands.

[07:54:53]

mchou:

firewire recordings are big, 9–10GB/hr.

[07:54:58]

godzirra_:

holy crap.

[07:54:59]

cmoates:

pooyak, I don't know, I have never tried :)

[07:55:18]

godzirra_:

mchou: that may be an issue in itself. She records a lot of crap.

[07:55:28]

cmoates:

SD recordings are significantly smaller

[07:55:30]

cmoates:

2GB/hour

[07:55:41]

cmoates:

1GB or less if you transcode them to a more compact format

[07:55:43]

godzirra_:

and there's no way to downsize on the fly?

[07:55:53]

cmoates:

Only after the fact, afaik

[07:55:54]

godzirra_:

because 10g/hour is not going to work. at all.

[07:56:01]

cmoates:

That's for HD

[07:56:08]

godzirra_:

Blergh. So the set top box thing isn't going to work well either.

[07:56:12]

cmoates:

And yes, it sucks ;)

[07:56:23]

mchou:

no, the STB still works

[07:56:35]

godzirra_:

I meant its not going to work for me as a replacement for tivo.

[07:56:39]

godzirra_:

we have 140 hours now.

[07:56:39]

mchou:

you can step down using svideo to pvr150

[07:56:50]

mchou:

godzirra_: lol

[07:56:51]

godzirra_:

But then I need an STB -and- a pvr150 =p

[07:57:04]

godzirra_:

and that kind of defeats the purpose of the STB from what I'm hearing.

[07:57:08]

mchou:

if you recorded 140 hrs you are NEVER going to catch up

[07:57:20]

godzirra_:

Try explaining that to my wife. ;)

[07:57:34]

godzirra_:

I watch Heroes and Pushing Daisies =p

[07:57:41]

mchou:

godzirra_: no it doesnt. Cause you still get better picture quality

[07:57:43]

godzirra_:

and Heroes is the noly one I make damned sure to catch. ;)

[07:58:09]

mchou:

picture quality is everything

[07:58:12]

godzirra_:

mchou: Yes, but I don't want to go from $15/month for tivo to $7/month plus 100 bucks for a pvr 150. ;p

[07:58:16]

mchou:

so is reliability

[07:58:26]

cmoates:

afaik, the pvr usb2 can be subbed for the pvr150

[07:58:45]

godzirra_:

the pvr usb2 was grainy as hell though, even when I did composite or svideo frmo the cable box.

[07:58:49]

cmoates:

ah

[07:58:56]

godzirra_:

I dunno why

[07:59:03]

mchou:

godzirra_: cmoates is right. I said pvr150 as a generic term for tv card

[07:59:08]

godzirra_:

cmoates: http://test.jomamma.com/file.mpg

[07:59:41]

cmoates:

ETA 10 minutes :/

[08:00:04]

godzirra_:

so my choices are a) stick with tivo, b) get a STB for 7/month and a 500 gig drive for 50 hours =p, or c) get an STB for 7/month plus a pvr 150

[08:00:07]

godzirra_:

cmoates: for 20 megs? Ouch.

[08:00:07]

cmoates:

So you fed the cable box into the PVR USB and you got a snowy signal?

[08:00:15]

cmoates:

Well, your upstream is slow

[08:00:17]

godzirra_:

It wasn't snowy, it was grainy.

[08:00:18]

cmoates:

only 30k/s

[08:00:24]

godzirra_:

Oh yeah.

[08:00:26]

godzirra_:

Didn't think of that.

[08:00:26]

cmoates:

:)

[08:01:07]

cmoates:

And yes, you're going to need a tuner card of some sort

[08:01:15]

cmoates:

Whatever card gives you acceptable quality

[08:01:19]

mchou:

godzirra_: there is yet another choice. rent the pvr from the cableco of around $10/mo

[08:01:23]

cmoates:

But, you're proably looking at $100

[08:01:37]

cmoates:

Yeah, but odds are the STB DVR software is crap compared to Tivo

[08:01:40]

mchou:

s/of/for

[08:01:55]

cmoates:

The DVR's that Comcast issues here are intolerably bad

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cmoates:

Also, godzirra_, when you were noticing the "grainyness" was that on your TV or your computer monitor?

[08:02:48]

mchou:

godzirra_: you know what's cheapest and the best quality?

[08:02:52]

godzirra_:

0the PVR from the cable companies usually suck pretty bad.

[08:02:54]

cmoates:

Because the computer's going to show you a lot of detail that the TV won't

[08:02:56]

godzirra_:

mchou: hm?

[08:03:02]

mchou:

godzirra_: netflix

[08:03:05]

mchou:

no joke

[08:03:12]

mchou:

no need for cable

[08:03:23]

godzirra_:

heh.

[08:03:25]

cmoates:

But then you're a season behind

[08:03:26]

cmoates:

:)

[08:03:31]

godzirra_:

Yeah, that sucks.

[08:03:35]

mchou:

no, I say this in all seriousness

[08:03:38]

godzirra_:

I'm eagerly awaiting heroes every week.

[08:03:40]

mchou:

no commercials

[08:03:58]

cmoates:

mchou, it doesn't work if you're up to date :(

[08:03:58]

godzirra_:

And my wife won't ever not have cable =p she watches too much CSI, Law and Order and all that other crap

[08:04:08]

mchou:

cmoates: sure it does

[08:04:13]

cmoates:

hey now, don't you be calling L&O crap ;)

[08:04:23]

cmoates:

You'll be in trouble with your wife AND me :)

[08:04:33]

mchou:

spend one year away from the TV

[08:04:40]

godzirra_:

Heh.

[08:04:46]

mchou:

it will make your life better

[08:04:48]

godzirra_:

mchou: All I watch on tv is heroes really.

[08:04:55]

godzirra_:

I dont spend much time watching it anyways.

[08:04:57]

** godzirra_ shrugs. **

[08:05:14]

mchou:

godzirra_: then why are you paying for cable?

[08:05:23]

cmoates:

the wife

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mchou:

I mean just buying the DVD would be cheaper

[08:05:36]

mchou:

DVDs*

[08:05:48]

godzirra_:

Because my wife stays at home with our son and wants something to do during the day when he's asleep? ;p

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mchou:

lol

[08:06:11]

mchou:

who is the babysitter in the family?

[08:06:18]

mchou:

the TV apparently

[08:06:23]

ebil:

what is the easiest way to migrate a mythtv database? I build a new masterbackend/frontend system, and I want to transfer the old programs and whatnot from the old server to the new server...

[08:06:38]

cmoates:

mysqldump the database and then import it to the new one

[08:06:40]

godzirra_:

Uh, no. Notice I said during the day when he's asleep =p

[08:06:44]

cmoates:

copy all the files over

[08:06:46]

mchou:

ebil: read the myth docs

[08:06:56]

godzirra_:

He usually plays outside.

[08:06:58]

mchou:

godzirra_: no, your wife is the baby

[08:07:04]

godzirra_:

Oh heh.

[08:07:36]

ebil:

cmoates, won't that overwrite all my settings though?

[08:08:23]

cmoates:

yes, you said you wanted to migrate

[08:08:31]

cmoates:

Oh, you just want to transfer the shows?

[08:08:39]

ebil:

cmoates, yeah, sorry, just the shows

[08:08:46]

ebil:

but I want them to show up in mythtv

[08:08:54]

cmoates:

I don't know offhand, maybe the docs have something about it

[08:09:01]

godzirra_:

scp.

[08:09:06]

mchou:

lol

[08:09:08]

godzirra_:

Oh, to show up in mythtv.. no idea.

[08:09:09]

godzirra_:

:)

[08:09:13]

mchou:

you guys are crazy

[08:09:24]

mchou:

scp for that???

[08:09:34]

ebil:

ok, I appreciate it, but if not, I could always do: transfer shows, dump db, import db, myth-setup, mfd, then I should eb golden

[08:09:36]

mchou:

pure foolishness

[08:09:37]

cmoates:

rsync would be my choice, but what do I know

[08:09:45]

** ebil prefers nc **

[08:09:46]

mchou:

lol

[08:09:55]

mchou:

you guys are crazy

[08:10:17]

mchou:

removing the drive and putting it in the new sys is easiest

[08:10:20]

cmoates:

godzirra_, I looked at your capture sample

[08:10:26]

ebil:

tar x blah | nc :-P

[08:10:27]

cmoates:

It looks like pretty decent quality SD

[08:10:39]

cmoates:

netcat, fun fun :)

[08:10:51]

mchou:

you gonna copy hundreds of gigs over the network?

[08:10:58]

godzirra_:

cmoates: then I guess it just looks horrible on the pc compared to tv.

[08:11:02]

cmoates:

The grainyness you see is because your computer's display is so much better than your TV

[08:11:12]

ebil:

mchou, actually, the network is gigE on all machines... it's faster than replacing harddrives around :P

[08:11:12]

cmoates:

What resolution do you run your computer's monitor at?

[08:11:17]

godzirra_:

1440x900

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mchou:

ebil: no, guess again

[08:11:27]

cmoates:

So about 6x the resolution of your TV :)

[08:11:28]

ebil:

all machines are gig-E with intel pro1000 cards, they do decently

[08:11:35]

godzirra_:

Ah.

[08:11:48]

ebil:

mchou, trust me... you don't know WHERE the OLD machine is :P

[08:11:55]

mchou:

ebil: gig E saturates PCI bus

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cmoates:

Hook the TV-out of your computer to the TV and play it back, I bet you it looks just fine

[08:12:24]

ebil:

mchou, gig-E saturates the 32-bit PCI bus. the 64 bit bus is juuuuust happy

[08:12:29]

godzirra_:

I don't have tvout yet. :)

[08:12:30]

cmoates:

And yes, I rsync'd my old 1TB raid to the new one over gigE

[08:12:35]

cmoates:

But I used PCIe cards

[08:13:01]

ebil:

cmoates, haha nice. I have these god awful 64-bit pci slots (tyan tiger MPX boards)

[08:13:05]

cmoates:

It takes a few horus, but it's not like you have to babysit it

[08:13:12]

cmoates:

ebil, fiber or copper?

[08:13:16]

ebil:

only thing that fits in them anymore realyl are pci-X cards

[08:13:17]

godzirra_:

thats why I'm compiling on my laptop.

[08:13:26]

cmoates:

I have a stack of fiber gig cards, PCIX, that I will never use

[08:13:27]

ebil:

cmoates, I'm all copper, can't afford the fiber yet :(

[08:13:42]

ebil:

heh

[08:13:58]

cmoates:

They were throwaways at work when we moved to 10g

[08:14:08]

godzirra_:

heh

[08:14:21]

ebil:

my friend got a N-base (actually 2 of them) gigafast switch. 4u rackmount, 24 ports of 10/100 copper, 4 ports of gig-E fiber, and a management port

[08:14:28]

ebil:

redundant power. $30 each

[08:14:35]

ebil:

goodwill can be fun sometimes LOL

[08:14:38]

cmoates:

But, as you say, cheaper to get gig copper cards and switches

[08:14:41]

mchou:

lol

[08:14:43]

cmoates:

That's a nice deal :)

[08:14:49]

mchou:

that is indeed a good deal

[08:15:06]

mchou:

GW probably had now idea how to price those things

[08:15:13]

mchou:

s/now/no

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ebil:

I've apparently been offered a cisco 7000 something or other (big router) for free from a guy at work... only problem is... it apparently costs about $75/month just for the electricity to run it :-P

[08:15:50]

mchou:

ebil: haha

[08:15:58]

ebil:

mchou, no, they did not. it was big, it looked like a computer, and all computers at gw are $30

[08:16:02]

cmoates:

yeah, 7500 routers are big, hot, loud, and eat power for breakfast

[08:16:11]

cmoates:

And port density is pretty low to boot

[08:16:21]

ebil:

cmoates, ahh, that's what it was! yeah, I turned it down :-P

[08:16:40]

ebil:

I have a simple netgear 8 port gigE switch, and a superstack 3300XM for my 10/100 networks

[08:16:45]

mchou:

ebil: where is this GW? :)

[08:16:51]

cmoates:

Unless you need to do honest to god routing, and you have a whole boatload of non-ethernet connections, a 7500 is a bad choice

[08:16:56]

ebil:

mchou, manassas VA

[08:17:08]

mchou:

ebil: heh, that explains it :)

[08:17:15]

ebil:

LOL

[08:17:23]

mchou:

all those hosting places in VA :)

[08:17:24]

cmoates:

ebil, do you run jumboframes?

[08:17:25]

ebil:

mchou, I assume you know of manassas ;)

[08:17:44]

ebil:

cmoates, I wish I could :( it's apparently POSSIBLE (undocumented) but every time I try, it hoses the network

[08:17:51]

cmoates:

doh

[08:18:11]

cmoates:

I'm stuck at 7200 MTU due to the rtl8169 chipset in half my machines

[08:18:19]

mchou:

jumbo frames on what device?

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cmoates:

The gig E network as a whole, mchou

[08:18:35]

ebil:

cmoates, I still get almost 7–800Mb/s between machines (depending on which ones, my T60 laptop is a good candidate)

[08:18:45]

mchou:

no, I mean which dev is undocumented

[08:18:51]

cmoates:

writing to dev/null?

[08:19:12]

ebil:

cmoates, yeah, I have a bunch of the realteks as well... (they were about $10 a pop at microcenter a while back)

[08:19:26]

ebil:

mchou, ummm netgear gs-108?

[08:19:53]

mchou:

ebil: bah, dunno about netgear

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cmoates:

That's the same switch I'm using with 7200MTU, no sweat

[08:20:07]

cmoates:

Not all e1000's support jumboframes

[08:20:14]

ebil:

but yeah, I was battling it out trying to get this ati card working with fglrx (for tv-out) but it never worked the way I wanted it to... now I realize it was still working well enough :P

[08:20:19]

mchou:

cmoates: that's indeedy true

[08:20:41]

ebil:

yeah, I have a "fun" e1000 :-P

[08:20:49]

ebil:

it will randomly switch mac addresses on reboot

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ebil:

*TADAA!*

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cmoates:

heh

[08:21:07]

ebil:

and it's a single port card

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cmoates:

speaking of reboots

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cmoates:

bedtime for me :

[08:21:12]

cmoates:

:)

[08:21:13]

ebil:

heh

[08:21:21]

ebil:

take care, I'm off too I think. 3am here

[08:21:25]

ebil:

umm

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ebil:

3:20 oops

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cmoates:

I'm in your time zone, I feel your pain

[08:21:37]

ebil:

I assumed you'd ehard of manassas ;)

[08:21:46]

cmoates:

It's only about 90 minutes away

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cmoates:

norva

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ebil:

the farther the better :-D

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cmoates:

:)

[08:22:01]

ebil:

(from manassas)

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ebil:

lol

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godzirra_:

ok, I'm going to bed.

[08:26:50]

godzirra_:

I'll chat with you guys later.

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Hoxzer:

eh ,......

[11:28:00]

laga:

uh

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Hoxzer:

apparently if I have two mythfrontends running. Both get commanded by lirc eventhough another one doesn't have lircrc

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laga:

you sure it doesn't have a lircrc? maybe there's a system-wide one?

[11:29:13]

** Hoxzer checks it **

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Hoxzer:

nope does't seem to be

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** laga is busy deleting useless channels **

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laga:

i wish there was a nice channel editor

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Hoxzer:

found it

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Hoxzer:

ok ok :\ Hummm it tries to use ~/.lircrc becasue both are run by same user (eventhough MYTHCONFDIR is set differently)

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Hoxzer:

ok, it is now working. I did "touch lircrc" in the another confdir and also removed symlink from ~/.mythtv (-> ~/.mythtv/lircrc)

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Hoxzer:

gr8 I found one widescreen resolution ... that is 800:480 :P

[12:11:28]

Hoxzer:

well, it is not really a widescreen but :\

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** Hoxzer wonders how can it be so hard to find resolution matrix for mx 400 **

[12:20:38]

laga:

nvidia driver has some modes built-in?

[12:20:45]

laga:

have you read the wiki yet?

[12:21:51]

Flexy:

when using xmltv program info grabber (tv_grab_fi), does every channel need their own xmltv code in which format? in the mythtv-setup, that is. plain number, for example 5, or for example 5.telkku.com?

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Hoxzer:

laga: nope

[12:22:18]

Hoxzer:

laga: about modelines yes

[12:23:08]

laga:

Hoxzer: the wiki knows a lot about nvidia and modeline validation

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laga:

Flexy: tv_grab_fi should give you a list

[12:24:09]

Flexy:

yes, I got the list, but mythfilldatabase does not work correctly, so I must have something fucked up

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Flexy:

"tv_grab_fi --config-file .mythtv/dna.xmltv --output test.file --days 14 ; mythfilldatabase --file 1 -1 test.file" works fine, but when myth does it own update, it does not show in the program list

[12:25:32]

laga:

if your grabber says it's 5.telkku.com then you just put that in there. amke sure to disable DVB EIT if you use DVB

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Flexy:

yes, done so

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laga:

Flexy: well. it's possible that dna.xmltv is not available to the grabber when mythbackend runs

[12:26:13]

laga:

eg when mythbackend runs as a different user

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Flexy:

still, updates show succeeded, but they do not show or update real channels

[12:27:03]

Flexy:

laga: ok. both frontend and backend should run as user mythtv, but I'll have to check

[12:29:52]

Flexy:

nope, according to log, it finds dna.xmltv

[12:30:09]

Flexy:

BUT, it's run with --days 1

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Flexy:

that could be it

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laga:

Flexy: i think it always runs with --days 1 but with different --offsets

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Flexy:

ahaa, ok, I was just noticing that :)

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laga:

sigh. i dont have epg data for some channels

[12:32:04]

Flexy:

and this is a new install of myth

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** laga hates debugging **

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Flexy:

so, I did not fuck up a working setup, I just fucked up the install :)

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laga:

congrats :)

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Flexy:

:)

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Flexy:

laga: how many days does myth update by itself, or do I need to set it somewhere? I did that manual thing again, it works, but myth doing it by itself says it's succeeded for over 3 weeks of data and I can only see the 2 weeks done manually...

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laga:

i have no clue

[12:47:57]

laga:

i think it notices when the grabber stops delivering data

[12:48:04]

Flexy:

and how can I trigger the mythfilldatabase, so that myth does it by itself? So that I don't have to wait for 1 day to see if it's correct this time

[12:48:19]

laga:

eg my grabber usually can do 14 or 15 days and it stops when the grabber starts throwing errors ond ay 16 ;)

[12:48:45]

laga:

you can just run "mythfilldatabase"? i usually run mythfilldatabase --update to make sure it doesn't introduce new channels

[12:49:50]

Flexy:

right. in any case, grabber can provide data about 3 weeks, I've done it manually to get 2 weeks. manually it works, by itself myth says it succeeds, but nothing shows after the 2 weeks I've manually inserted

[12:50:30]

Flexy:

ok, so myth does not invoke mythfilldatabase with some --options?

[12:51:32]

laga:

depends on your settings

[12:51:59]

Flexy:

if it does, I can see those options from some menu?

[12:52:07]

laga:

yup, in mythfrontend

[12:52:12]

laga:

not sure where, sorry

[12:52:16]

laga:

"general", maybe

[12:52:20]

laga:

there's also a --max-days switch

[12:52:21]

Flexy:

and even better, set there the same line that it's working mmanually?

[12:52:23]

Flexy:

ok :)

[12:52:51]

Flexy:

I'll have to fiddle around. good thing that the manual thing is working, that must mean, that it's not terribly fucked up :)

[12:53:24]

laga:

there's always cron :)

[12:53:56]

laga:

it's probably caused by some environment variable which is different or because the mythbackend user does not have ~/.mythtv/*xml

[12:53:59]

laga:

it's probably caused by some environment variable which is different or because the mythbackend user does not have ~/.mythtv/*xmltv

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BenB:

hey laga!

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BenB:

my app works! both tuning (DVB-S and DVB-S2) and the CA

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laga:

BenB: cool :)

[13:11:53]

sege:

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laga:

because you didn't use --update.

[13:13:04]

laga:

because you didn't map your xmltv channel ids to your channels in mythtv

[13:13:04]

laga:

etc

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sege:

i have an tv_grab_se_swedb.conf in .xmltv that i copied to .mythtv/inputcrapthing.xmltv, thought that would be enough?

[13:15:04]

laga:

no

[13:15:25]

laga:

mythtv needs to know which EPG data belongs to which channel

[13:15:34]

laga:

the channel id is used for that

[13:16:59]

sege:

the very boring part of this is that it worked a few days ago until i started messing around.

[13:17:12]

laga:

heh

[13:17:28]

laga:

i've been playing with my channel list today, too. it's not a lot fun :/

[13:22:21]

sege:

i think i have to start over or something

[13:22:54]

laga:

no

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laga:

you need to put your channel ids as shown by tv_grab_se --list-channels

[13:23:26]

laga:

into the "xmltv id" field in your channels database, preferably with mythweb or mythtv-setup

[13:23:29]

laga:

that should do the trick

[13:23:55]

sege:

just can't figure out why it did work before

[13:24:11]

laga:

you were probably using EIT before

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sege:

but then i should be able to use it now

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laga:

heh

[13:27:45]

laga:

if i was to suggest something, i'd say that you should stop worrying, fix it and hope it doesn't break again :)

[13:28:12]

sege:

i dont understand and then i get pissed =)

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laga:

heh

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mzb_d800:

sege: take a chill pill, do it the right way, and enjoy the (learning) experience ;)

[13:39:22]

darkstorm:

pressing enter in the mythmusic plugin doenst start the music

[13:39:24]

darkstorm:

wtf?

[13:39:30]

darkstorm:

*doesn't

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mzb_d800:

have you ensured the files are all owned by the right user? (mythtv?)

[13:40:34]

mzb_d800:

(and local)

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darkstorm:

i can load the music

[13:41:04]

darkstorm:

and i'm able to select using enter – but i hear no sound at all...

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mzb_d800:

enable frontend logs + watch them

[13:41:27]

darkstorm:

with amarok i hear the sound..

[13:41:50]

darkstorm:

if u could tell me where it would be nice so you can save me from searching ^^

[13:42:19]

mzb_d800:

prob not enabled by default

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laga:

you can just start the frontend in a terminal

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mzb_d800:

if you stop the frontend, and start it from a console with --help you will see how to do logginh

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mzb_d800:

s/logging

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mzb_d800:

it's something like $ mythfrontend -v all -L /home/mythtv/mythfrontend.log

[13:43:30]

sege:

mzb_d800: it's no learning, it's just hard boring work. =)

[13:43:47]

mzb_d800:

(needs to be a dir that the mythtv user has permissions to write to0

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mzb_d800:

sefe: my g/f would disagree ... all the pain *is* worth the effort in the long run ;)

[13:45:14]

mzb_d800:

(she's now watching mythtv videos in bed with IR remote .... I'm sure she'll reward me when I get there ;)

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darkstorm:

what output device are u using? so i'll changing try this first

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mzb_d800:

output device?

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mzb_d800:

default | default ALSA ... iirc

[13:46:36]

mzb_d800:

don't the normal recordings work properly?

[13:46:45]

mzb_d800:

why is mythmusic different?

[13:47:04]

mzb_d800:

sounds more like the file would not be available for that user | machine

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darkstorm:

the directory has 0777 rights and the owner is "nobody"

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mzb_d800:

I'll repeat then ... watch the frontend log

[13:49:13]

mzb_d800:

(or just start the frontend from a console with "-v all")

[13:49:55]

mzb_d800:

time for me to get my reward :) ... gnite all

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laga:

"honey, the TV crashed"

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Andycasss:

Would it be possible to use vnc as the default "Watch TV" player? Maybe then i could watch udp streams....

[14:02:35]

laga:

vnc?

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Andycasss:

uhh, i meant vlc.

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darkstorm:

okay

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darkstorm:

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darkstorm:

it's also not working with an inserted cd

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sw3etprincess:

does anyone knows what the minimal cpu requirements are for myth-tv ?

[14:28:01]

Cyberai:

sw3etprincess, I'd say a pentium III at least 1ghz for watching regular cabletv or satellite

[14:28:12]

Cyberai:

and 512mb ram at least

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sw3etprincess:

hm, and what if i use powerpc?

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Cyberai:

apple?

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sw3etprincess:

yea

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sw3etprincess:

but in linux

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Cyberai:

what is it you have, you happend to run into a former apple consultant here :)

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sw3etprincess:

i have a powermac G3 , with at the moment 480mb ram, and running debian ppc version

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Cyberai:

hold on a sec....

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Cyberai:

run "cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep cpu" at the terminal and tell me what it says

[14:31:31]

Flexy:

what does mythfilldatabase exactly do, when there are no options given? --help option lists all the options and what they do, but without any options, no mention on that, as far as I can see...

[14:31:41]

sw3etprincess:

im not at that pc atm, not even close; so i cant. but its a powerpc G3 350MHz

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Cyberai:

sw3etprincess, since PPC run at appx 2x pentium sleepds when you measure in MIPS, you should be OK

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Cyberai:

I'd add some RAM, its' cheap

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sw3etprincess:

not really, sdram is expensiv :)

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sw3etprincess:

but the PowerPC G3 is faster; a lot faster then my P3 667 :)

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Cyberai:

hmmmm, been a while since I had to buy that

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Cyberai:

oh yeah, that's typical

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sw3etprincess:

okay, when im home tomorrow i'll try maybe :)

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Cyberai:

if it "stutters" add ram

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sw3etprincess:

well; the G3 supports 4x 256MB ram :)

[14:35:07]

sw3etprincess:

so would be enough ;)

[14:37:01]

Cyberai:

oh yeah

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Cyberai:

Can anyone tell me how to set up the guide so that when I switch to it when viewing TV, the guide is on the channel I'm watching?

[14:37:46]

Cyberai:

Mine always jumps to the first channel in the guide

[14:39:34]

Flexy:

nope, don't know. and mine seems to jam the frontend, when accesses with letter m when watching live tv...

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Hoxzer:

Does somebody know what would be the right lirc driver for Technotrend (TV-card C-1500) IR extenssion ? It works with devinput but it reads all the IR commands differently compared to serial devic e

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tcpsyn:

why is sunday always boring.

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tcpsyn:

man. I gotta do something about my turtle beach sound card.

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tcpsyn:

the usb thing

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tcpsyn:

seems like any time I turn off my reciever or reboot the pc, I got to mess with it to get it to work again

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tcpsyn:

It works eventually

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tcpsyn:

but it's not reliable enough for my girlfriend to turn on the tv and just have it work

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Aval0n:

good morning everyone

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mkrufky:

good morning :-)

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Aval0n:

what's shakin

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mkrufky:

finally setting up some of my machines after moving last month

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Aval0n:

cool

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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Dabian:

I have a PVR350 that I consider buying from a friend of mine. (Hauppauge) .. How does it compare to other cards for mythtv use?

[16:30:28]

Dabian:

Does anyone have any expirience at all to share on the card?

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laga:

it usually works very well for SDTV

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justinh:

heheheh sold that unwanted cpu for more than I bought it for :)

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laga:

smart juski ;)

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justinh:

just have to wait for the seller of the cpu I won to be paid, then my new FE will move a step closer to being a reality

[16:40:54]

** justinh is glad to be home after a weekend away with his outlaws **

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justinh:

if this core2 duo mobile dealy proves to be any good I think my desktop will be getting some dual core goodness before the year's out

[16:43:35]

laga:

justinh: i'll be getting a 2.4 GHz core 2 duo next week. can't wait :)

[16:44:28]

justinh:

a slightly used mobile chip can be had for about half the shop price of the desktop version

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justinh:

so I suspect (all going well) I'll do the same for my desktop as for the frontend

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laga:

i wonder how much speed you'll lose because the FSB is lower on the mobile cpus

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justinh:

going from an athlon 2800XP I doubt I'll be losing much ;)

[16:47:44]

justinh:

mind you, I think all told a new board etc – the total doesn't come to twice as much for a desktop cpu setup

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** justinh shudders. he has a wedding video to edit **

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cleith:

Hello

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cleith:

Anyone around?

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justinh:

weird. most of the traffic to my site is directly to it

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justinh:

and in stark contrast to the last site, the next most popular route is from mythtv.org

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justinh:

could easy draw a conclusion that people know the wiki exists these days :P

[16:53:46]

justinh:

cleith: and you could easily draw a conclusion that people are indeed 'around'

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Dabian:

Dont jump to conclusions though! ;-)

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cleith:

been a while since I used irc... right now I can't even remember how to tell who is here (using xchat)

[16:56:04]

jduggan:

open up the window that shows you user list

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cleith:

should be simple I know

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justinh:

if you can't work xchat I won't hold my breath for you regarding mythtv :P

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Dabian:

justinh: hehe :)

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matt1982:

hey peeps i have myth tv installed and have a problem. Everytime I go to the channel guide the system exists any ideas?

[16:58:57]

Dabian:

cleith: Type /names

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Dabian:

justinh: Which PVR do you use?

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justinh:

matt1982: the system exists? you mean you expect it not to exist when you go into the channel guide?

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laga:

if you don't want it to exist, i suggest you make it segfault

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matt1982:

sorry mythtv just closes down

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matt1982:

exit sorry

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matt1982:

sorry sorry exit

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justinh:

matt1982: which program guide? the one you get to from live tv?

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laga:

heh, SCNR :)

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matt1982:

well when i press 'M'

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justinh:

Dabian: Windows MCE of course. I come here to troll & gloat

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siXy:

heh :D

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Dabian:

justinh: Which hardware?

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Dabian:

If you dont mind the question that is.

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justinh:

Dabian: a PC. I find MCE runs just great on a PC. certainly compared to an ipod it does, anyway

[17:02:44]

Dabian:

I considered the toaster, but I am not sure which opening to slide the PVR into ...

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** justinh pats his three DVB-T tuner mythtv backend & hopes it hasn't been pwn3d over the weekend since he logged onto it from an internet cafe **

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justinh:

matt1982: so, which guide are you talking about? from the main menu or the one you get into from livetv?

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justinh:

if it's the latter, I think the blame probably lies with your video drivers

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cleith:

OK, xchat working better...

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justinh:

pidgin ftw!

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laga:

irssi \o/

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cleith:

I was hoping to ask some "getting started" hardware advice. Is this the right forum?

[17:07:44]

justinh:

laga: that too

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matt1982:

justinh: ahh i see yeah it could be that it is the one from the live TV yeah

[17:08:06]

justinh:

matt1982: the video preview is the likely cause of the problem

[17:08:58]

justinh:

cleith: to record standard def. analogue TV I'd recommend nothing other than a PVR150 or PVR500 card from Hauppauge. reasonably modern CPU, minimum 512MB RAM, Nvidia VGA card

[17:09:07]

justinh:

_lots_ of hdd space too

[17:09:37]

laga:

nvidia card: 6200 or newer

[17:09:50]

laga:

yeah, that's about it.

[17:09:56]

cleith:

OK

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justinh:

reading the FAQs at mythtv.org & the mythtv.org wiki – and indeed this channel's FAQ would be a great way to start too

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cleith:

how do i read the channel's faq?

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justinh:

as for which linux to use, whichever one you're most comfortable using. If all you wanna do is mythtv, then a ready-rolled effort like Knoppmyth or Mythbuntu would be the way to go

[17:11:13]

justinh:

cleith: which part of "Channel FAQ at http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/" did you not see? ;_

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** justinh curses stupid chat clients **

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matt1982:

anyone here in the UK? I dont get any channel info. I must have selected an incorrect source for the EPG source. Just wondering which one i should use

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justinh:

matt1982: depends. if you have dvb-t and don't need 14 days worth of data use EIT

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justinh:

matt1982: otherwise you should be using tv_grab_uk_rt

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justinh:

wouldn't advise using tv_grab_uk_bleb cos it's been known to go down for months at a time

[17:13:49]

cleith:

can a pchdtv do the same as a hauppauge card and more?

[17:13:50]

matt1982:

ahh cool so the radio times one is it

[17:14:18]

justinh:

cleith: PCHDTV cards get HDTV from over the air and over cable. no grabbing HDTV from a cable box with one of them (or any other)

[17:14:45]

justinh:

cleith: if you wanna do HDTV, get a HDTV tuner. If you wanna do SD, get a SDTV tuner. the SD part of HDTV tuner cards _sucks_

[17:15:07]

cleith:

but a hauppauge can not grab cable hd either right?

[17:15:18]

BULLE:

cleith: depends on what hauppauge card you are talking about

[17:15:47]

justinh:

hauppauge don't make a HDTV tuner card for the USA/Canada though do they

[17:15:52]

cleith:

say a pvr500

[17:15:55]

BULLE:

on a side note, seems happauge is going to start to shipp usb smartcardreaders that can be used for most of their new cards

[17:15:58]

BULLE:

justinh: no idea

[17:16:14]

BULLE:

justinh: they have a BIG assortment of digital tv cards for dvb atleast

[17:16:15]

justinh:

BULLE: so? mythtv won't work with softcams

[17:16:51]

BULLE:

justinh: still, its nice, and i bet in time, it will happen with myth aswell

[17:16:57]

justinh:

cleith: PVR150 & PVR500 do standard def. TV only.

[17:17:03]

BULLE:

justinh: you still need the paid for smartcard

[17:17:08]

justinh:

BULLE: I think hell will freeze over first

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cleith:

so pchdtv card can grab sd from cable box but in your opinion it is not as good as a pvr500 for ex

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Dabian:

Same with the PVR350 right?

[17:17:28]

justinh:

cleith: that's about it

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justinh:

cleith: if you want both HD & SD get one of each

[17:17:43]

justinh:

that way you can use both at once anyway

[17:18:01]

BULLE:

justinh: well, i can already buy softcams for windows, and companies like fluendo is starting to sell the licences and implementations of most of teh stuff that mythtv uses, that is patented/illegal/Whatever

[17:18:25]

darkstorm:

what could be the reason of mythtv providing NO sound?

[17:18:35]

darkstorm:

mythmusic plays no sound – not from cd, not from folder

[17:18:41]

siXy:

darkstorm: speakers not plugged in would be one

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BULLE:

darkstorm: but you get sound with live tv ?

[17:18:57]

laga:

well, hauppauge's thingy is not really a softcam, right? i mean, don't you plug a CAM in there?

[17:18:57]

ebil:

darkstorm, volume turned all the way down? or muted?

[17:19:04]

darkstorm:

amarok is working ;)

[17:19:12]

cleith:

is a pchdtv worth it? seems only hd option for now is unencrypted over the air? is that right? btw I live near toronto canada

[17:19:15]

BULLE:

laga: dunno realy, other companies already sell pure softcams here in europe

[17:19:16]

darkstorm:

amarok plays sound like it have to.

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ebil:

darkstorm, what kind of tuner card are you using?

[17:19:23]

laga:

BULLE: legally?

[17:19:25]

BULLE:

laga: yes

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siXy:

darkstorm: check sound settings in mythtv also

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darkstorm:

ebil, there is also no sound at playing music so it should not be a problem of the unter card

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laga:

BULLE: is that "good" software or DRM-ridden bullshit?

[17:19:51]

ebil:

darkstorm, good point

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BULLE:

laga: its binary only windows stuff

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BULLE:

laga: i havent realy used it, just read about it, and looked at the boxes at store

[17:20:11]

darkstorm:

siXy, I also changed it form "ALSA: Standard" to /dev/dsp but i'll try /dev/dsp1 also after kernel update is complete

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laga:

interesting

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ebil:

darkstorm, what sound card?

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laga:

darkstorm: ALSA:Default should work

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darkstorm:

nvidia on board sound

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siXy:

darkstorm: why did you change it to dsp? use ALSA:Default

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BULLE:

laga: if my memory serves me right they provide conax and viaaccess softcams togheter with an usb2 dvb tuner

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darkstorm:

i've removed the creative sound card, because the linux always selected the onboard sound

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siXy:

darkstorm: the beauty of linux (and windows for that matter) is that you can tell it which one to use :)

[17:22:31]

darkstorm:

alsaconf didnt help me at all :)

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BULLE:

darkstorm: but you get sound with live tv ?

[17:22:48]

darkstorm:

havent tried out live tv

[17:22:58]

darkstorm:

you mean live tv as tv from internet or from the tuner card?

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BULLE:

darkstorm: livetv as from mythv

[17:23:49]

BULLE:

darkstorm: im just trying to assess if you configured sound output correctly in mythv or not

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matt1982:

when i add a Video Source i get a msg "Unable to retreive channel information from your provider" for both the UK ones RT and Bleb. Anyone know if these services are working? Im not 100% i set it up correctly though too on this page

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cleith:

laga, nvidia seems to be peddling 7 and 8 series now, any recommendations? i would like to have hdmi or at least dvi out if possible

[17:25:27]

cleith:

laga, are these new series well supported?

[17:25:39]

laga:

cleith: no clue ;) ask the wiki and the mailing list. ;)

[17:25:41]

BULLE:

cleith: 7000 is well supported

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bsdfox:

cleith: just get whatever is cheapest that has the rigt connectors

[17:25:49]

BULLE:

cleith: atleast in combination with the nvidia binary only drivers

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bsdfox:

8000 works fine too

[17:25:59]

darkstorm:

BULLE, the live tv just gimme a beeping sound

[17:26:01]

BULLE:

cleith: i have been using a 7300 for a year or so, with no issues,

[17:26:11]

BULLE:

darkstorm: wierd

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BULLE:

i would have expected silence or sound

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BULLE:

not BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP

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cleith:

ok, so seems nvidia is pretty well supported no matter the card these days, thanx

[17:26:26]

darkstorm:

yeah

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laga:

how do you adjust the picture (hue/color) in the 7 and 8 series? IIRc it doesn't work via xv anymore

[17:26:49]

laga:

ah, looks like you can do that globally

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siXy:

laga: nvidia driver can do it

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siXy:

me too slow

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laga:

:)

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darkstorm:

tried amarok again

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darkstorm:

amarok brings me the sound :/

[17:28:27]

cleith:

what about sound cards, ideally I would like to have some sort of digital out (s/pdif). anyone have specific happy experiences?

[17:28:31]

darkstorm:

mythtv just brings a beep or nothing

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darkstorm:

running alsaconf again for a tryout

[17:29:44]

cleith:

is there a no-brainer choice for sound cards these days (like nvidia for video cards)?

[17:29:54]

darkstorm:

alsaconf shows me the "intel8x0" and many "bt87x" the bt87x are the audio captures of my tunercard and the intel8x0 is my nforce2 ac97 audio controller

[17:30:31]

clever[rev]:

how long until i can make mythtranscode output mpeg2?

[17:30:40]

siXy:

cleith: onboard soundcard, or cheap one with spdif out >> AV amp

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BULLE:

darkstorm: have you configured mythtv to use the oss device or the alsa device ?

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darkstorm:

alsa imho

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BULLE:

darkstorm: imho ?

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darkstorm:

the sound ouput is set to "ALSA: Standard"

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cleith:

siXy, yeah? no problem with uncorrupted passthrough even with economical cards then?

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BULLE:

cleith: its actualy the other way around usualy

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darkstorm:

imho = in my humble opinion

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darkstorm:

:)

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siXy:

cleith: nope. cheap cards just pass it straight through

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cleith:

BULLE, what do you mean exactly?

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cleith:

siXy, ok, thanx

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darkstorm:

wrong used in this sentence

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darkstorm:

^^

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siXy:

if you have a DTS capable amp check that the card works with DTS passthrough is only caveat

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cleith:

siXy, ok

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darkstorm:

so – i think i've set it to alsa – in the output "ALSA: Standard" is selected

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darkstorm:

any other way to find out if it is set to oss or alsa?

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siXy:

ALSA: Default not ALSA: Standard

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cleith:

Anyone bought a motherboard recently that they are really happy with? Perhaps with lots of things (video, sound) onboard?

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darkstorm:

yeah "ALSA:default"

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darkstorm:

sry siXy

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siXy:

cleith: I've now fixed the HDMI issue on the Abit IL-90mv boards – they are nice

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BULLE:

cleith: the cheap cards, usualy just implement some pretty standardised interface, like AC97 or intel HDA etc, and then digitaloutput just works like a charm

[17:36:00]

BULLE:

cleith: expensive cards, seldom have full linux support, for the more advanced features, and then, getting digital out to work properly, or if at all, can be pretty hard

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cleith:

BULLE, ah, ok, thanx

[17:37:27]

cleith:

siXy, so this motherboard has onboard hdmi? is hdmi the way to go?

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siXy:

cleith: if you want HDTV, yes

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cleith:

siXy, hd will not pass over dvi?

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darkstorm:

what mixer are u using for alsa?

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siXy:

cleith: it will, but DVI cables are larger, often shorter and less amangeable. also they do not carry audio.

[17:39:17]

siXy:

plus DVI does not support HDCP – that may or may not be relevant

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justinh:

DVI does actually

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justinh:

totally irrelevant for linux though

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cleith:

can you not just convert dvi to hdmi passively?

[17:40:06]

cleith:

and use a hdmi cable, that is?

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siXy:

cleith: yes if you don't want audio

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justinh:

yes you can, but you can't just hook up the digital audio to be carried in the hdmi cable

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cleith:

siXy, so when you say hdmi works on abit il-90mv, you mean both video and audio together?

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laga:

justinh: works on some mainboards/vga cards, not sure about linux support though

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siXy:

juski: yeah – i've been experimenting with using a windows VM for HDCP stuff – not got anywhere so far, but then I haven't spent much time on it either

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justinh:

laga: those USB things are basically just a card reader. the software does the decripplement

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siXy:

cleith: yes

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cleith:

siXy, ok, great

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cleith:

siXy, do you do hd stuff?

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cleith:

on your setup

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laga:

not sure if HDCP in a VM work well unless you use xen and use and a real VGA card :)

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siXy:

cleith: i only get SD tv. but I from time to time mess around with HD video.

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** justinh will soon be 'reddy for de hud' :) no HDTV on the horizon though. saw so many HDTVs that totally suck at displaying SDTV there's just no poin **

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BULLE:

siXy: bzzzp wrong, DVI can use hdcp just like hdmi

[17:42:51]

siXy:

BULLE: read up :)

[17:43:16]

BULLE:

siXy: i own such a tv myself

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siXy:

justinh: imo plasmas are better for SD than LCDs

[17:43:47]

justinh:

siXy:totally depends on the engine driving em

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siXy:

laga: yeah using xen w/full virt.

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justinh:

a lot of HD sets I saw in London shops at the weekend totally sucked at showing interlaced content – which the majority of stuff is, like it or not

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siXy:

justinh: sure there are some LCDs that are better than some plamsas for SD. In general however, I have found plasmas to be a lot more forgiving of poor signals

[17:45:31]

laga:

justinh: hauppauge's decryption thingy is a _CI_ where you insert a CAM

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justinh:

they're all overrated, not many can even hold a candle to a CRT in terms of contrast & brightness

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justinh:

laga: really? makes a change!

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cleith:

sd means either digital or analog, right? if i still need a digital cable box to handle my provider's encryption, and I presumably capture an analog stream out of the cable box, is the result any better than just grabbing the analog cable from my provider?

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laga:

justinh: yup.

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siXy:

justinh: i agree. although the only CRT that can display HD resolutions that I know of is terrible

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justinh:

cleith: yes

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cleith:

what is the difference?

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justinh:

cleith: I meant SD can be either digital or analogue

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cleith:

justinh, ok.

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justinh:

chances are though, grabbing svideo out of the cable box will be better than just using the cable straight in

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|Torg|:

digital does not mean better, bigger or better looking

[17:47:57]

|Torg|:

you can get analog 1080P and you can get digital 480I

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justinh:

digital == crap most of the time

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justinh:

'cheaper', certainly :P

[17:49:08]

cleith:

so there is a benefit of getting digital to my cable box and grabbing the analog signal after that?

[17:49:43]

|Torg|:

the argument for digital over analog is mostly a personal choice with the hardware you use infuancing your decision. I use digital HDMI imputs and it looks spectacular at 1080 input, watching older SD tv on it looks terrible

[17:50:07]

justinh:

cleith: if it's only SDTV, yes

[17:50:22]

Cyberai:

|Torg|, are you saying you have a way to get digital HDMI into your Mythbox?

[17:50:30]

|Torg|:

into, no

[17:50:33]

Cyberai:

ah

[17:50:35]

|Torg|:

out yes

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Cyberai:

firewire in?

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cleith:

digital cable (at least with my provider) also give an interactive channel guide... but I am assuming that (the providers guide) is not even necessary with a proper myth setup. is that right?

[17:51:04]

Cyberai:

cleith, yes

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|Torg|:

but I think cleith is confusing one carrier for another, the digital im talking about is DVI/HDMI vs component

[17:51:16]

|Torg|:

the digital hes talkign about is QAM over cable

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Cyberai:

ah

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|Torg|:

where as they are both digital, there not even comparable

[17:51:46]

|Torg|:

so cleith when you say you have digital in, thats QAM not a whole lot you can do with it

[17:51:47]

Cyberai:

well, I've been trying to get QAM tuning working with the two most popular cards for over a year with very little success

[17:51:59]

Cyberai:

but, my cable box arrangement works well now

[17:52:09]

|Torg|:

output is whatever you can capture, if its composite (do not confuse that with component) then you can not get HD frames over it

[17:52:19]

justinh:

grabbing HDTV from a HD cable box over firewire is possible but there are usually snags with that. 1. not all cable boxes have enabled outputs. 2. not all cable companies allow much more than the local HD channels to be passed over firewire

[17:52:21]

Cyberai:

I've even conquered the firewire failure issue recently. I'm about to release the code on the wiki

[17:52:22]

|Torg|:

has nothing to do with the fact its analog, it has to do with signal seperation

[17:52:37]

justinh:

YMMV

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cleith:

so basically I always need to grab an analog signal out from my cable box (assuming don't just want crappy unencrypted local channels). is that right?

[17:53:10]

|Torg|:

and I agree justinh, using firewire on a cable box is gambeling it will actualy really work

[17:53:27]

|Torg|:

cleith: IF you want to still use the cable box, yes

[17:53:44]

Cyberai:

I'm on Insight (A Time Warner cable co) and using the Motorola 6416, but the code should work on any motorola

[17:53:46]

justinh:

providers & what they offer vary a _lot_

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cleith:

|Torg|, is there a way to avoid it? I can only think of over the air

[17:54:16]

|Torg|:

cleith: either geta a QAM dvb card and record the non encrypted stuff, suffer though the SD conversion, or dont do anything at all

[17:54:20]

Cyberai:

well, if you have a firewire port on your PC, there's nothing to lose by trying it

[17:54:49]

|Torg|:

personally I told the cable company to shove it and went for ATSC

[17:54:54]

cleith:

|Torg|, ok, thanx

[17:55:13]

BULLE:

what encryption does "Insight" use ?

[17:55:38]

|Torg|:

BULLE: why does that matter?

[17:55:44]

BULLE:

as they use dvb, you should in theory be able to watch payware channels, if you get a CAM that implements whatever standard they use ?

[17:56:08]

justinh:

BULLE: you can't buy a CAM for the encripplement they use AFAIK

[17:56:11]

|Torg|:

BULLE: not in the US, its still illegal

[17:56:14]

Cyberai:

Insight doesn't use any encryption, but they do have the CCI bit turned on for several channels. I have to use the S-Video for that.

[17:56:39]

BULLE:

ii see

[17:56:46]

cleith:

what about hd through my provider's cable box. I still have to grab it analog after the box. do I lose any benefit of the hd stream in the first place? I am still a little fuzzy on how to get the best picture possible from my cable provider assuming they encrypt the channels I care about. what are people doing?

[17:57:01]

mchou:

cleith: firewire is best way to go

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|Torg|:

cleith: what I want is HD from my dishnet box to my mythtv. You can get in line, right behind me

[17:57:19]

mchou:

these guys blowing smoke

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Cyberai:

cleith, you will be able to view HD over firewire, but encrypted channels or ones with the CCI bit set to 0x002 or higher will not work.

[17:57:38]

mchou:

you just nned to find out what's in the clear in your area

[17:57:55]

Cyberai:

you will have to get S-Video inptu for those

[17:58:08]

|Torg|:

what mchou is telling you may be true, depends, mostly it will cost you a firewire connector to tell

[17:58:10]

mchou:

encrypted channels dont work with anything PERIOD

[17:58:19]

cleith:

firewire out from the cable box is typically crippled though right?

[17:58:26]

Cyberai:

cleith, no

[17:58:30]

|Torg|:

typically, no

[17:58:34]

|Torg|:

in some cases, yes

[17:58:37]

Cyberai:

cleith, the FCC law states it has to be turned on

[17:58:43]

mchou:

cleith: no, by law it cannot be crippled for nationals

[17:58:49]

|Torg|:

in cases where cable companies were aquired by others, mostly no

[17:59:15]

cleith:

we are talking us right? anybody know the status of canada? specifically cogeco?

[17:59:17]

Cyberai:

I have over 960 stations, only 6 are blocked on my firewire ports because they are upper teir channels.

[17:59:19]

mchou:

FCC rules applies across the board regardless of mergers

[17:59:51]

|Torg|:

mchou: I know what the FCC laws are, and I also know the reality of what the cable comanies do (well two in my local area). They are not teh same thing

[18:00:04]

|Torg|:

I also know the FUD they wil thorow at you when you go to complain it does nto work

[18:00:13]

Cyberai:

since the 6 I have to get over S-video come from a digital feed, they are very clear, just lower in resolution. I can see the difference, but my gf usually can't.

[18:00:16]

mchou:

unless you happent to get an atsc/qam tv card for less than say $40 I wouldnt bother with a QAM card

[18:00:17]

|Torg|:

and when you FINALLY get one that has it they encrypt ALL the firewire, agsint FCC regulations

[18:00:48]

|Torg|:

and yes you can go complain to the FCC, it gets summarily ignored when yuou do

[18:01:03]

Cyberai:

|Torg|, I fixed that problem by emailing the FCC and CC'ing the cable company legal dept. They turned on the firewire overnight when I did that.

[18:01:13]

mchou:

|Torg|: then you arent trying hard enough. One letter to FCC and cc:ed to cable co does the trick

[18:01:22]

godzirra_:

I just did a make;make install on mythtv, and I created the database and verified I could connect to it via command line, but it gives me a bout 3 trillion database errors when i run mythtv-setup now.

[18:01:27]

godzirra_:

morning everyone ;)

[18:01:30]

mchou:

Cyberai: bingo!

[18:01:40]

cleith:

yeah, I have not hope that my provider will not block this possibility (firewire)

[18:01:57]

|Torg|:

cleith: like I said, it depends

[18:02:06]

Cyberai:

My cable company actually called me and they assigned a guy to me in order to make sure they did everything they legally could to help me.

[18:02:07]

mchou:

cleith: dont let these fearmongers get you down :)

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[18:02:24]

Cyberai:

yeah cleith, I have a very good setup now

[18:02:30]

mchou:

cleith: it doesnt hurt to try out the cable box

[18:02:31]

godzirra:

Can anyone suggest what the problem may be?

[18:02:37]

cleith:

is it still worth getting a hd cable box from the provider and grabbing the output via a pvr500 or such?

[18:02:45]

cleith:

mchou, Cyberai ;)

[18:02:53]

mchou:

cleith: considering if it doesnt work within a month, return it

[18:03:04]

Cyberai:

godzirra, I'd go back and run an update on your box. Sounds like your sql libraries may not be in sync with everything else.

[18:03:07]

mchou:

cleith: sure

[18:03:10]

godzirra:

Oh wait.

[18:03:14]

godzirra:

qt library for mysql

[18:03:21]

godzirra:

I did this last night at 3am but ... well.. it was 3 am :)

[18:03:23]

mchou:

cleith: if you are low on disk space

[18:03:50]

Cyberai:

cleith, I can tell you this. if you do go to a digital box and you just pipe the S-video into your mythbox. You will get a cleaner image and sound than going analog.

[18:03:59]

mchou:

every single time I come in here ppl rag on firewire.....

[18:04:02]

|Torg|:

mchou: you do know quoting FCC regs to cleith is useless, right?

[18:04:16]

mchou:

|Torg|: please....

[18:04:17]

Hoxzer:

what is the best way to remove all the recordings from the database that dont have a file ?

[18:04:32]

Cyberai:

mchou, it's because so many cable co's ignore the law and screw the consumer

[18:04:34]

|Torg|:

mchou: cleith is Candain, the FCC regualts the US, not Canada

[18:04:50]

mchou:

|Torg|: just because you dont know how to work your local cableco doesnt mean nobody else cant

[18:05:10]

|Torg|:

ok, if you say so

[18:05:13]

cleith:

mchou, so the end result is still better? is it still considered hd at that point (that is, what is the quality of the stream after the hd cable box assuming you grab it with a pvr500 or similar)

[18:05:34]

justinh:

cleith: I already told you the pvr cards get you SDTV, not HD

[18:05:36]

mchou:

well, in canada he's might be screwed, but it still doesnt hurt to try it out

[18:05:46]

Cyberai:

|Torg|, not exactly true. If the cable co's carry programming from US providers, then those providers can force the cable co's to turn on encryption or the CCi bit as part of their agreement. So in a way even foreign co's comply with US laws.

[18:06:07]

Cyberai:

in some ways

[18:06:13]

cleith:

justinh, so there is no point of getting a hd cable box then, is that it?

[18:06:30]

Cyberai:

cleith, the signal you will get via S-Video from your digital box will NOT be HD, but on average it will look WAY better.

[18:06:40]

justinh:

and if you don't already have HD at home there could be stuff like minimum contracts that can't be got out of if it turns out you don't want to keep it when (if) it can't be grabbed digitally

[18:06:42]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: there's no requirement for cable companies to send the locals unscrambled in Canada.

[18:06:44]

darkstorm:

damn im getting mad

[18:06:56]

hjohnson:

Shaw, in the west, is netorious for leaving the 5c flag turned on for everything.

[18:06:57]

Cyberai:

cleith, and if you can manage to get some channels that ARE HD to work over firewire, then well you are one leg up :)

[18:07:00]

darkstorm:

no sound in mythtv is driving me mad the last days... :'(

[18:07:09]

hjohnson:

and don't even bother trying to sniff the QAM on the cable with your own QAM tuner.

[18:07:12]

mchou:

cleith: this justinh is spewing FUD

[18:07:48]

GreyFoxx:

cleith: Where in Canada are you located?

[18:07:49]

mchou:

hjohnson: man, get on the FCC :)

[18:07:56]

cleith:

mchou, huh? hd cable box... good or pointless?

[18:08:08]

|Torg|:

can you give the HD box back if it dosnt work?

[18:08:09]

mchou:

cleith: it all good if it works

[18:08:10]

Cyberai:

cleith, go for it, you ahve nothing to lose

[18:08:20]

cleith:

GreyFoxx, Oakville, Ontario. You?

[18:08:30]

GreyFoxx:

cleith: Halifax, Nova Scotia

[18:08:32]

justinh:

if cleith is in canada, there's no FCC rod to hit the cable co with if their firewire is disabled. if the box turns out to be useless with mythtv & he's locked into a 12 month contract to have HD he can only watch live.. I'd call that a bit of a disadvantage#

[18:08:33]

mchou:

cleith: assuming you dont have to BUY a cable box

[18:08:35]

Cyberai:

cleith, even if all you get is S-Video, it's going to look better than regular analog

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hjohnson:

cleith: ahh, I think Rogers might be slightly less stingy than Shaw.

[18:08:50]

cleith:

GreyFoxx, cool. my wife is from dartmouth.

[18:08:54]

GreyFoxx:

My local cableco is good. Alll channels are available via firewire and I get about 150 clear QAM

[18:09:04]

hjohnson:

GreyFoxx: lucky sod.

[18:09:07]

GreyFoxx:

many of those are music only

[18:09:08]

mchou:

there you go

[18:09:12]

justinh:

but to be left with the only option of grabbing output from a HDTV box in SDTV – I think it'd be a waste of money

[18:09:23]

GreyFoxx:

But for the firewire, every single channel I subscribe too is available

[18:09:26]

mchou:

that's one counter-example to justinh

[18:09:27]

hjohnson:

GreyFoxx: Shaw here seems to want to bend us over and take liberties with our rears using a rusty chainsaw.

[18:09:32]

Cyberai:

that's a hilarious thing about my cable co. ALL music channels are CCI bit protected, but most upper teir channels are not.

[18:09:39]

justinh:

mchou: people need to be told the potential downside

[18:09:53]

godzirra:

Hopefully now when I finish setup it will show me what channels and listings I have...

[18:10:00]

godzirra:

on my desktop it told me it was unknown.

[18:10:01]

GreyFoxx:

hjohnson: I called and my company intentionally leaves firewire wide open

[18:10:07]

mchou:

justinh: there is no potential downside as long as the box can be returned

[18:10:10]

GreyFoxx:

they just wont help you if you can't get it to work :)

[18:10:11]

Cyberai:

Can anyone tell me how to set up the guide so that when I switch to it when viewing TV, the guide is on the channel I'm watching?

[18:10:19]

hjohnson:

GreyFoxx: oh, firewire is open here too, it's just that 5C is set on anything HD.

[18:10:33]

GreyFoxx:

hjohnson: Not here, all channels including HD are available

[18:10:37]

justinh:

mchou: of course. but as far as I know cable companies they're looking to lock people into contracts for minimum periods

[18:10:41]

GreyFoxx:

That's how I record my HD content

[18:10:49]

hjohnson:

GreyFoxx: lucky sod

[18:10:55]

Cyberai:

I'm working on a solution to all of that, but it's very hush-hush. If I'm right we will have a 100% solution to CCI bit and 5C soon.

[18:10:59]

mchou:

justinh: I dont know where you get that junk

[18:11:02]

hjohnson:

we here in Vancouver get screwed

[18:11:04]

mchou:

justinh: ppl move

[18:11:18]

mchou:

justinh: movers get screwed??

[18:11:33]

Cyberai:

justinh, my cable co doesn't do that, neither does any Time Warner affiliate (about 40% of the USA)

[18:11:51]

justinh:

I'm just saying it's not unheard of

[18:11:53]

Cyberai:

most STB systems are month-to month rent.

[18:11:56]

cleith:

GreyFoxx, hjohnson, when you say "open" you mean unencryped right? I still need a QAM tuner, is that it?

[18:11:59]

Cyberai:

I'd say 90%

[18:12:03]

hjohnson:

and make you buy, or better yet rent, their crummy PVR

[18:12:19]

Cyberai:

most let you have it for about $5-$10 per month

[18:12:27]

mchou:

cleith: if you get cablebox you wont need QAM tuner

[18:12:35]

Cyberai:

and if you ask nicely, you can get the non-pvr version, and it's ceaper.

[18:12:45]

hjohnson:

on the other hand, I am looking at buying a sharp Aquos LCD

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godzirra:

nice.

[18:12:52]

mchou:

and works more reliably :)

[18:12:55]

godzirra:

I wish I had the money for one of the new Aquos lcd's.

[18:12:57]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: ahh, here they charge extra for the PVR version.

[18:13:01]

godzirra:

hjohnson: here too.

[18:13:16]

hjohnson:

I'm pondering the 37" 1080p aquos. :)

[18:13:22]

cleith:

so the info passed over firewire (if possible) is ready to grab by a pvr500 for example?

[18:13:22]

GreyFoxx:

cleith: No. I mean with a settop box with firewire out I can reacord all channels in the clear including HD. Seperately I can also record 150 clear QAM channels using a QAM capable tuner

[18:13:23]

Cyberai:

hjohnson, hence, why you ask for the NON-pvr version. According to FCC regs they have to let you have it

[18:13:30]

justinh:

cleith: no

[18:13:34]

godzirra:

hjohnson: my wife won't let me get a 37" tv :/

[18:13:36]

Cyberai:

GreyFoxx, lucky SOB

[18:13:36]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: I'm not in FCC land

[18:13:42]

godzirra:

She keeps saying ours now is a 37" so we need a 50–60" :p

[18:13:49]

Cyberai:

hjohnson, ask nicely then :)

[18:14:00]

** hjohnson settles in to watch the eastern finals. **

[18:14:00]

Cyberai:

godzirra, and your problem is????

[18:14:01]

GreyFoxx:

Cyberai: Yeah, my cableco is quite enlightened that way

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godzirra:

Cyberai: That its good to be me. :)

[18:14:10]

Cyberai:

GreyFoxx, where are you?

[18:14:10]

justinh:

cleith: firewire from the STB goes into a firewire port on your PC, not a tuner card

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hjohnson:

GreyFoxx: plus you guy sare on the east coast, so you get all the shows before the rest of us. :P

[18:14:21]

GreyFoxx:

Cyberai: HAlifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

[18:14:24]

Cyberai:

nice

[18:14:27]

GreyFoxx:

hjohnson: heh yeah

[18:14:50]

hjohnson:

hell, more than a few times, I've been able to download a show before it actually broadcast on the west coast.

[18:14:52]

Cyberai:

I just worked out some new code for the Motorola boxes that really seems to improve the reliability of the firewire connection.

[18:14:54]

cleith:

justinh, ah, yes

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GreyFoxx:

Cyberai: a Patch for myth or a kernel patch ?

[18:15:17]

mchou:

Cyberai: umm really??

[18:15:19]

Cyberai:

I havenlt had a bad tuning in about 48 hours now. I used to get them about 20% of the time.

[18:15:29]

mchou:

Cyberai: I've never had any trouble

[18:15:30]

Cyberai:

no, simpler than all that

[18:15:52]

Cyberai:

I talked to the guy who wrote the original 6200ch code that changes the channel on the motorla boxes

[18:15:53]

hjohnson:

debating what to use for a set top box though.. hacked AppleTV, or a Mac Mini

[18:16:13]

mchou:

Cyberai: and what did he have to say?

[18:16:13]

Cyberai:

he sent me some unfinished code he did for rebooting the box.

[18:16:28]

mchou:

rebooting the box??

[18:16:33]

mchou:

wth for?

[18:16:51]

Cyberai:

well, what I had fouind was that if the firewire conenction between the PC and STB died, and running firewire_tester doesn't fix it, that a STB reboot does 100% of the time.

[18:16:52]

hjohnson:

man, if we could come up with a way to ignore the 5c flag, I'd be happy. Of course, that would probably just cause the cable companies to turn the 1394 port off.

[18:17:07]

Cyberai:

and it only takes like a half second.

[18:17:14]

justinh:

hjohnson: if you could do that you couldn't talk about it here

[18:17:21]

mchou:

that's way too drastic

[18:17:38]

Cyberai:

so I rewrote the code a bit to make it work. Thern I wrote my own channel changer script

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mchou:

I've never had any problems changing channels or tuning

[18:18:29]

|Torg|:

5c isnt a flag its encrytion

[18:18:29]

hjohnson:

justinh: i'm not covered by a jurisdiction covered by DMCA, so ignoring it is just a method to exercise my fair use rights.

[18:18:30]

Cyberai:

if the channel doesn't tune in correctly (I use test-mpeg2 to test it), then I have it run firewire_tester to fix it. If that doesn't work after two attemtps it reboots the STB and tries 2 more times

[18:18:39]

mchou:

unless it landed on an encrypted channel

[18:18:41]

hjohnson:

but I won't get into politics of it.

[18:19:01]

mchou:

Cyberai: no, I think what's going on is something else

[18:19:17]

Cyberai:

I know a lot of people ahve had firewire connection failure issues with the motorolas. So I thought I'd share, you know?

[18:19:21]

mchou:

Cyberai: it happened to someone else b4

[18:19:35]

mchou:

turned out he had mismatched libraries

[18:19:41]

hjohnson:

heh

[18:19:47]

mchou:

that caused the unreliability

[18:19:49]

Cyberai:

mchou, trust me, i went all the way down that road

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mchou:

Cyberai: I'm telling ya, firewire tuning for me is ROCK solid

[18:20:24]

Cyberai:

I don't doubt you

[18:20:28]

mchou:

never a bad tune

[18:20:48]

kdubya:

i can never get firewire tuning to work

[18:20:50]

Cyberai:

I had a lot of talks with people all over and it seems to be hit or miss

[18:20:57]

kdubya:

i only get the locals so i never really looked into it

[18:21:06]

kdubya:

but it tries to tune channels like 2288485933

[18:21:08]

mchou:

it's a hit or miss cause they are using the correct libs :)

[18:21:11]

Cyberai:

some people it's 100%, others have a lot of trouble even with the correct libraries

[18:21:52]

mchou:

kdubya: which channel changer proggie you use?

[18:21:53]

hjohnson:

Telus is doing some interesting IPTV stuff...

[18:21:59]

Cyberai:

I talked to a tech at Motorla and it's most likely the firmware version in the STB

[18:22:05]

hjohnson:

streaming h.264 over IP to run the TVs.

[18:22:10]

hjohnson:

touchdown winnipeg!

[18:22:11]

mchou:

Cyberai: that's possible too

[18:22:12]

hjohnson:

woot.

[18:22:20]

kdubya:

i just let mythtv change the channel

[18:22:48]

cleith:

siXy, what kind of case do you have for your abit il-90mv

[18:22:54]

Cyberai:

so depending on your provider, if they haven't updated their firmware in a while, your tuning can suck

[18:22:59]

kdubya:

is there a script to scan firewire?

[18:23:03]

GreyFoxx:

Cyberai: Then we should start collecting version#'s from people who have it working and those who don't

[18:23:06]

kdubya:

i know someone has to have made one

[18:23:13]

hjohnson:

they need to pass a set of laws requiring cable companies to sell channels (say beyond the locals or something) a la carte.

[18:23:14]

Cyberai:

ironically, if you ahve old libraries and old firmware, your OK

[18:23:17]

GreyFoxx:

wonder if that info is available via firewire when we detect the stb

[18:23:31]

mchou:

hjohnson: I doubt they will ever do that

[18:23:51]

Cyberai:

GreyFoxx, in teory, anything in the flash ROM is available

[18:23:59]

hjohnson:

mchou: I know... but wy the heck should I be forced to pay for the women's television network, or the shopping channels, or ESPN?

[18:24:08]

mchou:

hjohnson: lol

[18:24:33]

kdubya:

you dont pay for shopping channels

[18:24:35]

justinh:

hjohnson: they already have enough problems using their current billing model. making it more complicated will only make things worse :P

[18:24:38]

mchou:

hjohnson: cause women watch those channels and to population is 52% women? :)

[18:24:39]

kdubya:

they pay for themselves with commisions

[18:24:50]

hjohnson:

kdubya: they're certainly taking up space on my dial that could be used for useful channels.

[18:24:51]

mchou:

s/to/the

[18:24:57]

kdubya:

they actually make your bill lower

[18:24:58]

Cyberai:

hjohnson, I turned off Women's channels in my SD setup. I refuse to let that crap into my house on principle.

[18:25:11]

mchou:

Cyberai: hehe

[18:25:29]

hjohnson:

kdubya: I'd rather not have them wasting space on my dial.

[18:25:34]

mchou:

my favorite channel is Lifetime :)

[18:25:44]

kdubya:

mine is oxygen

[18:25:47]

justinh:

hjohnson: our digital FTA here has I dunno how many crappy shopping/music/blah channels. we can choose never to watch them, or.. er..

[18:25:51]

Cyberai:

being a man, and letting channels like that into your house is like being black and letting your family watch KKK television.

[18:26:12]

mchou:

hjohnson: you're assuming those channels would be filled up by something else "quality"

[18:26:16]

hjohnson:

but take ESPN.. why the hell would I want to watch college sports?

[18:26:24]

kdubya:

uhm

[18:26:25]

hjohnson:

the only sports I care to watch are broadcast by the CBC anyhow. :P

[18:26:30]

kdubya:

because college sports are awesome?

[18:26:36]

mchou:

hjohnson: which is a fallacy

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** hjohnson watches HNIC, and the grey cup, that's about it. :P **

[18:27:35]

Cyberai:

Can anyone tell me how to set up the guide so that when I switch to it when viewing TV, the guide is on the channel I'm watching?

[18:27:38]

mchou:

hjohnson: not to mention that with digital, # of channels shouldnt really be much of an issue

[18:27:39]

hjohnson:

telus tv has a much finer grained sales model, which is cool... but you need to have telus DSL, which isn't so cool.

[18:27:46]

hjohnson:

mchou: it's all bandwidth though.

[18:28:04]

hjohnson:

though they could do the shoppin gchannels with say 2 megabit

[18:28:19]

mchou:

hjohnson: plenty of dark fiber around :)

[18:28:27]

Cyberai:

well, i've rpedicted the downfall of CCI bit and 5C for a while now and it's edging closer. The cable companies don't want it because it cases them a lot of problems and it just pisses off their consumers.

[18:28:41]

Cyberai:

the media sompanies are slowly waking up

[18:29:07]

mchou:

I'll believe it when I see it

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Cyberai:

I know, I know

[18:29:21]

mchou:

keep in mind there is also the CableCard issue

[18:29:37]

mchou:

with is totally the cableco's fault

[18:29:52]

mchou:

they cant blame that on the media companies

[18:30:02]

kdubya:

we will be capturing analog HD before the cable companies unencrypt anything

[18:30:03]

Cyberai:

if you grep out my entries on the mythtv-users list you can read the whole theory. So far I've been 100% accurate in predicting the events leading to it. Admittedly, it's faster than I predicted, but it's happening.

[18:30:22]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: I dunno, here, they just turn 5c on for everything else and say "we only support the quipment we rent/sell. You're trying to do something else? tough noogies."

[18:30:25]

godzirra:

ok, I got tvout from my laptop to my tv... but my tv is black... what am I doing wrong?

[18:30:32]

hjohnson:

and it sucks.

[18:30:42]

mchou:

hjohnson: no, that's what cablecard is for :)

[18:31:15]

godzirra:

anyone have any ideas?

[18:31:31]

Cyberai:

hjohnson, yeah, but they get a lot of pissed off consumers that way, lots of ugly letters and internet posts. people leave for other options as soon as they get the chance. Plus they have to work with the STB producers to get the 5C and CCI bit stuff to work. it's a whole layer of tech they hate to maintain.

[18:31:35]

hjohnson:

mchou: right, which is why it will never take off here, since the cable companies would lose their sales/rentals of STBs

[18:32:03]

hjohnson:

see, now, the telephone company will sell me channels for $2/each/month

[18:32:06]

hjohnson:

that I can tollerate.

[18:32:21]

kdubya:

in canada?

[18:32:28]

mchou:

hjohnson: cablecard is not really a lock-in for STBs......

[18:32:30]

kdubya:

the phone companies here sell cable just like the cable companies

[18:32:43]

Cyberai:

just wait. The end of 5C and CCi bit will happen when physical media dies. It will be soon.

[18:32:47]

mchou:

hjohnson: it to protect the cableco from "theft of signal"

[18:33:01]

kdubya:

when physical media dies?

[18:33:05]

kdubya:

in what, like 20 years

[18:33:09]

Cyberai:

when DVD's go the say of CD's

[18:33:11]

kdubya:

i dont got that kind of time

[18:33:20]

Cyberai:

nah, probably less than 5

[18:33:20]

mchou:

netflix is still going strong

[18:33:38]

mchou:

in some ways netflis has a superior model than cable

[18:33:42]

kdubya:

no way in hell physical media will 'die' in 5 years

[18:33:52]

Cyberai:

yes, but netflix's fastest growing sales are in their digital delivery. Non DVD sales over the net.

[18:33:52]

mchou:

netflix*

[18:34:20]

mchou:

fastest growing doesnt mean most market share

[18:34:22]

hjohnson:

kdubya: yeah

[18:34:43]

Cyberai:

kdubya, "dies" may have been too strong a word. CD's still sell, but non-CD movement of music dwarfs it.

[18:35:12]

mchou:

Cyberai: the only reason CD died was the media cos refused to lower the price

[18:35:13]

Cyberai:

video movement is trending the same way. The rocketing sales of the video iPod are a good indicator

[18:35:17]

hjohnson:

it won't be long until non-physica movement of video does the same thing.

[18:35:37]

mchou:

I'd much rather buy a DVD for $14 than a CD for $14 :)

[18:35:47]

Cyberai:

hjohnson, is right. It won't be long before people are trading movies like MP3's

[18:35:49]

** hjohnson likes his DSL ISP.. they basically said "We don't care what you do with your connection, as long as we don't get a court order." **

[18:36:11]

hjohnson:

yeah, it's "only" 1.5/650, but we can do anything we want with it, and it's totally unfirewalled.

[18:36:21]

kdubya:

uhm

[18:36:39]

kdubya:

isnt it kind of rare for an ISP to firewall you?

[18:36:56]

hjohnson:

it's pretty typical for ISPs to block inbouned 80, 21 and the like, and block outbound 25

[18:37:01]

Cyberai:

now, here is the key moment....... When soccer mommy tries to move her recording of the latest Disney flick from her PVR to her MiniVan, and the MiniVan player pukes on a CCI bit or 5C encryption.... the the SH!T will hit the fan for the media companies.

[18:37:03]

mchou:

kdubya: it's not unheard of

[18:37:43]

Cyberai:

the only reason they are getting away with it right now is because 95% of the population doesn't understand the implications.

[18:37:49]

mchou:

Cyberai: how is she going to move it?

[18:38:11]

Cyberai:

mchou, oh, probably a thumb drive or over wireless from her PC

[18:38:16]

mchou:

Cyberai: physical media is still the best way for mobility

[18:38:18]

mchou:

lol

[18:38:31]

mchou:

10GB for a movie over wireless?

[18:38:34]

Cyberai:

wireless is farther out, but not as far as you think.

[18:38:44]

mchou:

it will take days

[18:39:04]

mchou:

Cyberai: you're smoking dope

[18:39:08]

Cyberai:

nah, a wireless N connection will be pretty common in 2 years. At those speeds it would take about 15 minutes.

[18:39:21]

Cyberai:

besides, who says it will be 10GB?

[18:39:28]

kdubya:

15 minutes blows compared to picking up a DVD box

[18:39:40]

Cyberai:

true, so let's stick with the thumb drive scenario

[18:39:44]

mchou:

I'd much rather use a DVD than wait 15 min for a transfer, thanks

[18:39:52]

hjohnson:

I don't see physical media going away any time soon.

[18:40:24]

hjohnson:

however, we will see one of the two HD formats winning.

[18:40:34]

hjohnson:

and I predict it will be HD-DVD

[18:40:46]

hjohnson:

I think Sony is going to lose again.

[18:40:58]

Cyberai:

mommy has "the fairy princess 19" in her laptop that she downloaded from netflix. She wants little johnny to be f*'ing quiet on the ride to grannies. So she puts it on ther thumbdrive and drive to copy it to the car absed player she bought at Wal-mart that has a USB port. When she tries to play the file it borks.

[18:41:21]

kdubya:

man how many housewives do you know

[18:41:26]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: so she throws it out and buys one that will work.

[18:41:31]

mchou:

lol

[18:41:32]

kdubya:

doing that is 100000 times harder than pushing play on a dvd player

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Cyberai:

now, magnify that by about 10,000 instances per day.

[18:42:02]

mchou:

kdubya: considering that Cyberaihas banned women's channels in his house :)

[18:42:08]

kdubya:

heh

[18:42:34]

Cyberai:

oh trust me, no dearth of females in this house, just no feminists :)

[18:44:20]

Cyberai:

There's a few more steps we ahve to get to before the above scnario happens. But I predicted the preceding steps pretty accurately. It's gonna happen. SO far the only way I've been wrong is that it's happened faster than I predicted.

[18:44:37]

mchou:

Cyberai: put the crack pipe down

[18:45:36]

mchou:

better yet pass it in this direction, so I can be persuaded to agree with your drivel :)

[18:45:40]

hjohnson:

Doubt we will see the death of physical media any time soon.

[18:45:42]

Cyberai:

LOL, I know. It sounds crazy. Frankly when I picke dup on the trend I didn't believe it either. But I make a pretty good living predicting trends so I went with it. So far it's stayed true.

[18:45:55]

hjohnson:

now, what's the difference between this $1000 HD DVD player from Toshiba and the $300 one

[18:46:17]

kdubya:

hjohnson, i dont get that shit either

[18:46:23]

hjohnson:

they all seem to do the same thing, play HD-DVDs and spit the video out via hdmi... so what's justifying the extra $700 I wonder

[18:46:45]

Cyberai:

hjohnson, the $1000 one is "more gooder"

[18:46:54]

kdubya:

probably has a prettier front display and is dolby digital certified or some useless crap

[18:47:38]

kdubya:

the cheapest one only outputs 1080i

[18:47:45]

kdubya:

which makes no sense whatsoever

[18:48:46]

mchou:

if your eyes are sensitive enough to tell the diff betw. 1080i and 1080p you are sitting too close to your TV :)

[18:48:59]

hjohnson:

lol

[18:49:00]

kdubya:

thats not what it doesnt make sense

[18:49:16]

kdubya:

it doesnt make sense because the video is stored as 1080p

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hjohnson:

kdubya: well, processing speed and the comunications equipment need in the unit does make some sense

[18:49:30]

kdubya:

no its the same

[18:49:41]

kdubya:

because 1080i is twice the framerate and half the resolution

[18:49:54]

kdubya:

it just sends the same amount of data differently

[18:49:54]

hjohnson:

kdubya: right, which actually reduces the bandwidth needed.

[18:50:05]

darkstorm:

k

[18:50:09]

kdubya:

twice the framerate and half the resolution is the same bandwidth

[18:50:20]

hjohnson:

kdubya: same datarate, different bandwidth.

[18:50:29]

Cyberai:

I know what I'm saying sounds nuts. But if you go back and read the mythtv-use digests, you'll see I predicted the non-DRM'ing of iTunes, then price adjustement of non-DRM to the same as DRM, the launch of totally non-DRM competitors, and the launch of direct streaming of prime-time shows.

[18:50:30]

darkstorm:

under kdetv the sound is working but i need to set the sound source to "line"

[18:50:34]

darkstorm:

how can i do this unter mythtv?

[18:50:35]

hjohnson:

(I'm using bandwidth in the comms engineer sense, not in the internet connection sense)

[18:50:37]

kdubya:

I refuse to believe that it makes sense.

[18:50:52]

Cyberai:

all of those eventaully lead to the scenario I described.

[18:51:13]

kdubya:

Cyberai, we get it, you are nostradomus

[18:51:18]

godzirra:

mchou: ok, i've got it setup with tv out to my tv now from my laptop.

[18:51:23]

Cyberai:

wehn the populace realizes that the movies and shows they pay to watch can't be moved. They are gonna get p!ssed.

[18:51:36]

mchou:

bah

[18:51:41]

cleith:

a bit off topic... anyone here recently bought a motherboard they are quite happy with? I am looking for ideas to get this mythtv project going. I think I want things like nvidia graphics and some kind of digital passthrough of sound? what about cases? any recommendations?

[18:51:43]

mchou:

itunes cant be moved

[18:51:53]

Cyberai:

nah, more like "nostra-dumb-*ss", but even blind squirrels find nuts. :)

[18:51:55]

mchou:

nobody getting pissed about that yet

[18:52:03]

godzirra:

Sure it can.

[18:52:04]

godzirra:

rm -rf

[18:52:05]

hjohnson:

cleith: last motherboard I bought was an Asus A8N, which is long out of date.

[18:52:07]

kdubya:

do you know get that most people do not even understand the concept of moving content?

[18:52:15]

Cyberai:

mchou, the non-drm mp3's from iTunes can. I do it all the time for the gf.

[18:52:16]

kdubya:

know=not

[18:52:19]

hjohnson:

mchou: hmm? I can move it between my computers and my iPod and AppleTV. :P

[18:52:30]

mchou:

hjohnson: lol

[18:52:39]

mchou:

hjohnson: iLifeStyle

[18:52:41]

cleith:

hjohnson, happy with asus though?

[18:52:53]

hjohnson:

10:52:52 up 265 days, 16:59, 4 users, load average: 3.67, 3.54, 3.49

[18:52:56]

hjohnson:

that tells you something. :P

[18:53:12]

mchou:

hjohnson: your load aveage is screwed

[18:53:17]

mchou:

average*

[18:53:17]

godzirra:

where do I set deinterlace again?

[18:53:31]

hjohnson:

mchou: not really, those are very low priority tasks.

[18:53:34]

mchou:

hjohnson: what's that, a 600MHz comp?

[18:53:34]

kdubya:

godzirra, playback settings

[18:53:39]

godzirra:

thanks

[18:53:41]

Cyberai:

mchou, I move mp3's from my gf's winderz pc to my mythbox daily

[18:53:49]

hjohnson:

mchou: Athlon 64 X2

[18:54:07]

godzirra:

Oh, I couldnt see it on my tv

[18:54:11]

godzirra:

cause it is off the edge.

[18:54:15]

hjohnson:

mchou: it's running Folding@Home in its spare time, so the threads waiting for the CPU are extremely low priority.

[18:54:33]

hjohnson:

but they're still waiting for CPU time, so they impact the load average.

[18:54:42]

mchou:

hjohnson: you should buy kill-a-watt device

[18:54:57]

cleith:

anyone know if some form of asus pundit is still a good choice?

[18:55:00]

hjohnson:

mchou: I don't need one, my UPS tells me how much power my system is burning.

[18:55:01]

mchou:

cause folding at home kills you in electricity costs

[18:55:08]

hjohnson:

200 Watts, at heavy load.

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hjohnson:

mchou: electricity here is $0.065/kWh, running a 200 watt load continuously doesn't cost me.

[18:55:56]

hjohnson:

er doesn't cost much.

[18:56:00]

kdubya:

if you want to help some research thing then just donate the money you would be spending on electricity

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mchou:

dude, it sure costs the environment

[18:56:05]

kdubya:

i have to think that would do more good

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mchou:

kdubya: bingo!

[18:56:31]

hjohnson:

mchou: not really, the electricy is generated by a hydro-electric plant nearby. If I don't use it, the water flows over the top of the dam.

[18:56:45]

Der_Thomas:

hey, I'm looking for some help with Myth Transcode Daemon (MTD)

[18:56:46]

kdubya:

bs

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mchou:

hah!

[18:56:59]

Der_Thomas:

when I try to start it I get the following error:

[18:57:07]

Der_Thomas:

You do not have a DVD rip directory set. Run Setup.

[18:57:20]

Der_Thomas:

anyone know EXACTLY which part of setup this is in?

[18:57:30]

hjohnson:

plus, folding doesn't really need money, they need computing power.

[18:57:53]

mchou:

hjohnson, you know that ad about using CFL bulbs, right?

[18:57:59]

hjohnson:

mchou: nope.

[18:58:17]

Der_Thomas:

I already have a directory in DVD Ripper Settings -> Dir to hold temp files

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kdubya:

if you give them money they can buy a lot better computing power than what you have

[18:58:24]

hjohnson:

besides, the power draw difference between running Folding and not running it is maybe 10 watts.

[18:58:27]

mchou:

that's only 75 Watt savings (for the light of a 100W incandecent)

[18:58:45]

kdubya:

although screw the environment

[18:58:46]

hjohnson:

most of that 200 watts is spent on keeping 6 spindles spinning.

[18:58:48]

kdubya:

its about wasting money

[18:58:55]

mchou:

hjohnson: that's not true at all

[18:59:04]

hjohnson:

mchou: It is.

[18:59:15]

mchou:

an idle comp comsumes at most 75 W

[18:59:23]

mchou:

consumes*

[18:59:42]

hjohnson:

http://www.geekhouse.ca/munin/localdomain/loc . . . calhost.html

[18:59:48]

hjohnson:

that's the graphs from data from my UPS.

[18:59:52]

mchou:

especially modern procs and comps (with frequency and voltage stepping)

[18:59:54]

godzirra:

How do you find out what kind of remote you have?

[18:59:55]

hjohnson:

oh crap, I left the monitor on in the server room.

[19:00:03]

godzirra:

it acame with my PVR USB2, but I don't know what kind it is.

[19:00:04]

** hjohnson heads to kill the monitor. **

[19:00:58]

godzirra:

Anyone?

[19:01:10]

hjohnson:

ok, monitor is off..

[19:01:22]

hjohnson:

that will drop the power back down 60 watts

[19:02:03]

hjohnson:

so I just turned off the oflding client

[19:02:17]

mchou:

anyway folding at home isnt very good for the environment at all

[19:02:37]

mchou:

it's downright silly, in fact

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hjohnson:

the entire system is now drawing 190 watts.

[19:02:59]

Cyberai:

mchou, hjohnson, etc... You're gonna wanna check out http://www.tech.co.uk/computing/internet-and- . . . d=1920847255

[19:03:17]

kdubya:

Cyberai, meaningless

[19:03:30]

mchou:

that's in some ivory tower

[19:03:36]

mchou:

not at home

[19:03:43]

mchou:

think of the cost

[19:03:53]

Cyberai:

LOL

[19:04:09]

Cyberai:

I remember when a 1GB drive was considered the same

[19:04:17]

hjohnson:

so it's 30 watts

[19:04:21]

hjohnson:

to keep the CPUs loaded.

[19:04:28]

Cyberai:

same went for wireless, DSL, Cable Modems, etc

[19:04:37]

hjohnson:

190 watts while idle, 220 watts while running it.

[19:04:40]

mchou:

hjohnson: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/comput . . . umption.html

[19:04:59]

mchou:

hjohnson: pay attention to the A64 specs

[19:05:01]

Cyberai:

that, or something like it will happen. Sooner rather than later.

[19:05:08]

mchou:

83–180W

[19:05:27]

kdubya:

sooner rather than later compared to what

[19:05:38]

mchou:

that's 2X increase between idle and loaded

[19:05:45]

hjohnson:

mchou: uhm, I'm going off of real values that I'm measuring

[19:06:01]

hjohnson:

mchou: with the system mostly idle, the draw is 190 watts, with the software running it's 220 watts.

[19:06:02]

mchou:

hjohnson: so is the report

[19:06:04]

hjohnson:

that's a 30 watt difference.

[19:06:11]

Cyberai:

well, when wireless first appeared around 92 everyone treated it as scifi. Now 5 years later it's in the "grandma can use it' stage

[19:06:30]

Cyberai:

correction. Then it appeared around 2002

[19:06:30]

kdubya:

its 15 years later

[19:06:36]

kdubya:

heh

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mchou:

hjohnson: you have cpufreq turned on?

[19:06:41]

godzirra:

What is install-sh and how do I get it? :p

[19:06:47]

godzirra:

I keep getting that when trying to configure lirc

[19:07:20]

Cyberai:

that was supposed to read "when wireless first appeared around 02"

[19:08:21]

hjohnson:

mchou: dunno

[19:08:27]

mchou:

hjohnson: lol

[19:08:28]

hjohnson:

mchou: it's only 220 watts, no big deal.

[19:08:40]

hjohnson:

we don't use electricity for anything else, so our bill is pretty low.

[19:08:47]

hjohnson:

heating, water, cooking is all gas.

[19:09:10]

mchou:

hjohnson: if you dont know if cool and quiet is enabled, you're in no position to discuss idle power consumption

[19:09:13]

hjohnson:

it's about $1.50 month to run the software

[19:09:40]

mchou:

30W diff means cpufreq is not turned on

[19:09:42]

hjohnson:

sure I am, I know what power my system draws while its idle.

[19:09:51]

mchou:

hjohnson: lol

[19:10:05]

hjohnson:

it draws 190 watts while idle, including all the other gear in the server closet.

[19:10:09]

mchou:

it's never idle because cpufreq isnt turned on, fool

[19:10:31]

hjohnson:

mchou: sure it's idle, it's not doing anything. Yeah, the processors aren't being slept, but that's not the definition of idle.

[19:10:42]

hjohnson:

idle (n): doing nothing.

[19:10:53]

mchou:

no, idle means frequency and voltage stepping

[19:11:03]

hjohnson:

no, that means power saving, not idle.

[19:11:29]

mchou:

and since that aint turned on you arent realizing much power savings at all

[19:12:12]

hjohnson:

mchou: right, but I don't really care given that our electricity is clean sourced, and its cheap.

[19:12:26]

mchou:

lol

[19:12:53]

mchou:

with an attitude like that, no wonder US can afford to blow off Kyoto

[19:13:11]

mchou:

iirc Canada signed Kyoto :)

[19:13:30]

Cyberai:

we can afford to blow off kyoto, cause it a load of cr*p. But that's OT.

[19:13:33]

godzirra:

Sigh. I can't get lirc to configure.

[19:13:39]

godzirra:

I havent even gotten to the poitn where I can run make.

[19:14:26]

mchou:

hjohnson: yeah, it's a bunch of crap cause only developed nations should be allowed to keep polluting :)

[19:14:28]

hjohnson:

costs me $10/mo to run the machine.

[19:14:34]

hjohnson:

mchou: yeah, we did.

[19:15:04]

hjohnson:

mchou: lets see.. how does running water through a dam instead of over it add greenhouse gas emissions?

[19:15:09]

hjohnson:

oh, wait, it doesn't.

[19:15:15]

mchou:

and the developing nations like China and India should still be enslaved :)

[19:15:32]

Cyberai:

actually, if you're interested in the truth instead of the propaganda, and you check the UN statistics. You can easily see that the undeveloped nation pollute far more than the developed ones when you do a per-capita analysis.

[19:15:55]

hjohnson:

there is 1, count that 1, natural gas fired power plant hooked up to the grid around here, it's fired up maybe 10 days a year.

[19:16:00]

mchou:

Cyberai: that's full of shit

[19:16:14]

Cyberai:

mchou, check the IPCC report. It's all there.

[19:16:25]

mchou:

Cyberai: Australia is the worlds largest polluter per capita

[19:16:39]

hjohnson:

and it's just accross the bay from me, so I know when it's fired up.

[19:17:22]

hjohnson:

so at $0.065/kwh it costs me $10.50/mo to run my computer.

[19:17:28]

Cyberai:

mchou, actually the '07 addendum indicates it's China.

[19:17:40]

Cyberai:

page 128

[19:17:56]

mchou:

http://www.thecornerreport.com/index.php?titl . . . b=1&pb=1

[19:18:07]

Cyberai:

guess they aren't up to date.

[19:18:24]

mchou:

the study quoted there came out about 2 wks ago, iirc

[19:18:25]

godzirra:

Is there any way for the audio to go through the tv speakers, as opposed to the desktop speakers?

[19:18:47]

GreyFoxx:

godzirra: DEpends on your tv's inputs

[19:18:53]

GreyFoxx:

you can get a jack -> rca cable

[19:18:54]

godzirra:

on the tv's? how so?

[19:18:56]

mchou:

Cyberai: 5 times more than China per capita, lol

[19:18:58]

godzirra:

Ah.

[19:19:06]

Cyberai:

right, but it's all a matter of sources. It's hard to determine the truth when you're dealing with China.

[19:19:12]

mchou:

20x more than india

[19:19:15]

hjohnson:

anyhow

[19:19:31]

Cyberai:

IPCC satellite data indicates they are much higher than ground based readings show.

[19:19:47]

Cyberai:

mainly because China controls the ground based data.

[19:19:51]

hjohnson:

I can't talk much anyhow, I fly 75000 miles a year, and drive to work.

[19:20:07]

hjohnson:

(though I burn B40 in my car, and the bio part is made from locally sourced animal fat)

[19:20:13]

Cyberai:

kand recent studies ahve shown that ground based readings are pretty much cr*p.

[19:20:28]

Cyberai:

god my typing sucks

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klpt:

anybody know why i have to click "activate" in mythweb to get things to record?

[19:21:48]

klpt:

ie, why are things that are scheduled to record deactivated by default

[19:22:36]

hjohnson:

besides, it's better to run things like F@H and the like on clean sources of power than it is to run it on computers powerd by coal/oil/gas power plants.

[19:22:57]

Cyberai:

anyone who is serious about cleaner power needs to push for nuclear.

[19:23:06]

mchou:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7092989.stm

[19:23:15]

klpt:

i <3 nuclear... I'm also a big fan of solar

[19:23:18]

sphery:

yes! nuclear!

[19:23:25]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: I dunno, small scale hydro is pretty damn clean. :)

[19:23:26]

mchou:

"The US came second with eight tonnes of the greenhouse gas per head – 16 times more than that produced by India."

[19:23:32]

klpt:

but i'm partial to solar, i'm on the stanford university solar car team ;)

[19:23:35]

mchou:

that's based on per capita

[19:23:51]

sphery:

we just need more capitas

[19:23:53]

Cyberai:

mchou, you're still citing the same study. How does having more links strengthen your argument?

[19:23:58]

anykey_:

klpt: combine that with the autonomous car please ;)

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hjohnson:

Cyberai: I've worked on a 230KW plant that powered a village. Worked quite well, didn't need anything more than a diversion shed at the top of a waterfall.

[19:24:13]

Cyberai:

hjohnson, i agree, but applicable waterways aren't common enough.

[19:24:15]

klpt:

anykey_ – they're in the shop next door to us, it's very cool watching that thing come together

[19:24:16]

mchou:

Cyberai: no, I'm citing what the study said

[19:24:34]

anykey_:

klpt: hehe nice

[19:24:52]

klpt:

unfortunately, it's entirely grad students, 90% in CS. I'm neither a grad student, nor CS

[19:24:55]

mchou:

the BBC citation provides more detail

[19:24:57]

Cyberai:

right, I suggest you get on the UN IPPC mailing list for the report. It's really the only reliable source.

[19:25:00]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: you just need a creek that is fairly stable year-round. The one I've worked on generates 250kW or so off of a 10" penstock, but 200 or so feet of head.

[19:25:19]

mchou:

Cyberai: that's bullshit

[19:25:29]

Cyberai:

I can't speak to it with any authority hjohnson.

[19:25:41]

Cyberai:

I've just seen the work up studies on nuclear

[19:25:42]

mchou:

you're saying Carma is fallacious?

[19:25:53]

Cyberai:

no mchou

[19:26:05]

mchou:

Aus, US, UK, top 3 CO2 per capita

[19:26:19]

mchou:

followed by China and India

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hjohnson:

I've got a friend who's neighbour runs their place off a mix of wind, solar, and a cute little itty-bitty turbine made out of welded soup spoons, and an automotive laternator.

[19:26:24]

Cyberai:

by ground measurement, yes

[19:26:27]

hjohnson:

(it's fed with recycled firehose)

[19:26:48]

mchou:

"We feel quite confident that no-one else has information in such detail."

[19:26:51]

hjohnson:

mchou: Canada is up there... I think we're actually worse than the americans

[19:26:52]

Cyberai:

mchou, do you trust the Chinese government?

[19:26:58]

hjohnson:

(mostly because we have to heat our houses in the winter)

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klpt:

home heating is an excellent opportunity for combined solar PV + solar thermal

[19:27:45]

mchou:

Cyberai: I trust govt more than I trust King Bush :)

[19:27:45]

hjohnson:

klpt: not when the sun doesn't come out for 3 months of the year.

[19:27:53]

hjohnson:

and you only get 6 hours of daylight.

[19:27:57]

Cyberai:

wow, I guess that settles that.

[19:27:58]

mchou:

umm, make that the Chinese govt

[19:28:25]

Cyberai:

what we have here is an input issue. :)

[19:28:30]

hjohnson:

klpt: this time of year, the sun rises at 9am and sets at 5:30 or so. (ok, so that's more than 6 hours)

[19:28:35]

klpt:

6 hours of daylight is still quite a bit. with good insulation it'll keep a house warm.

[19:28:51]

klpt:

though

[19:28:57]

hjohnson:

klpt: not when it's -30, blowing, and cloudy for months at a time.

[19:29:05]

klpt:

but i will admit that it's a tough thing to keep a house warm at such northerly latitudes

[19:29:23]

hjohnson:

klpt: last winter, we here in Vancouver, had a point where it rained 65 days straight.

[19:29:29]

klpt:

cloudy mostly stops visible radiation, but UV and IR still get through fairly well

[19:29:42]

hjohnson:

klpt: not through dense rain clouds.

[19:29:46]

klpt:

so your PV panels would be pretty useless, rain is a bitch.

[19:30:17]

dmc_:

has anyone here tried running a combined front and backend with the gOS develop kit?

[19:30:19]

hjohnson:

but on the other hand, it means we have lots of rivers and the like, so we just harness solar energy in the form of hydro-electric power.

[19:30:40]

hjohnson:

(actually, in some regards, hydro-electricity is probably the most efficient way to harness solar power)

[19:30:45]

dmc_:

I want to hook a hauppauge 500 to it

[19:30:51]

klpt:

hydro is good too. i'm from KY and we have quite bit of hydro (I think we're the most watered US state next to alaska..?)

[19:31:09]

klpt:

of course what we don't get from hydro comes from coal... oops

[19:31:15]

hjohnson:

klpt: WA and OR are up there too.

[19:31:19]

Cyberai:

klpt, where in KY? I'm in KY as well.

[19:31:27]

klpt:

lexington area

[19:31:36]

godzirra:

Can anyone help me with lirc?

[19:31:37]

Cyberai:

I'm about 40 mins North

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dmc_:

funny, I was born in lexington

[19:31:49]

klpt:

Cyberai – covington?

[19:31:55]

** hjohnson has to go to Leavenworth in January.. that's gonna suck **

[19:31:55]

Cyberai:

close, Florence

[19:32:03]

klpt:

ah, alright

[19:32:07]

klpt:

forence, y'all!

[19:32:11]

Cyberai:

you got it

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hjohnson:

i'm off to Ireland on tuesday

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Cyberai:

ew hjohnson, ireland is pretty darn cold thsi time of year

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klpt:

so uh, yeah, anybody have any thoughts on why all of my recordings are deactivated by default?

[19:32:54]

klpt:

the scheduler picks out the correct episodes to record

[19:32:55]

godzirra:

when I run autogen.sh, i get this: configure.ac:24: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL

[19:32:56]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: hehe

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klpt:

but they're not active

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hjohnson:

Cyberai: and I have to work outside.

[19:33:09]

Cyberai:

klpt, looks like an sql problem

[19:33:13]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: Kansas in January is going ot be worse.

[19:33:36]

Cyberai:

klpt, if you go to the wiki and search for "sql fix", there's a script that fixes most problems.

[19:33:44]

klpt:

there are no sql errors in the mythbackend logfile

[19:34:09]

Cyberai:

I'm not an sql expert. That's just my best guess.

[19:34:10]

hjohnson:

i just wonder if I'm gonna get sent back to the sandbox this summer

[19:34:25]

klpt:

fair enough

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Cyberai:

hjohnson, from what I hear it's getting alot better over there. of course, that means you can't be one of those kind who refer to the president as "King George". :)

[19:37:42]

Cyberai:

because if you are, then no news from there can be good news. :)

[19:37:48]

hjohnson:

hehe

[19:38:24]

hjohnson:

the trip last time was definitely an eyeopener...

[19:38:31]

Cyberai:

oh? how so?

[19:38:41]

mchou:

Cyberai: "How accurate are CARMA’s CO2 emissions estimates? CARMA uses a statistical model that predicts CO2 emissions given the size, age, fuel type, estimated capacity utilization, and engineering specifications of individual plants. We have verified that these plant characteristics predict actual emissions with high accuracy, using officially-reported emissions from thousands of power plants in the US, Canada, the European Uni

[19:38:41]

mchou:

ported emissions, we replace the model’s estimates with the official figures. We have also performed two accuracy checks at the country level. For power production, we have compared CARMA’s total power production in each country with the total reported by the U.S. Energy Information Administration. For CO2 emissions from the power sector, we have compared CARMA’s total emissions in each country with the total reported by the

[19:38:44]

mchou:

is 99%. CARMA is meant to be a repository of the best available information on power sector carbon emissions. Our policy is to correct any errors or omissions if suggested revisions are verified by an independent third party."

[19:38:48]

mchou:

http://carma.org/blog/about/faq

[19:39:04]

mchou:

99% correlation

[19:39:15]

Flexy:

if I want to add a icon path to database table named channel to lets say channel with chanid 1001, what's the mysql command for that?

[19:39:16]

mchou:

which tells everyone it's dead on

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hjohnson:

Cyberai: i'm a civilian, Canadian, and I spent 3 months over there travelling all over the place.

[19:39:27]

mchou:

it aint rocket science

[19:39:41]

Flexy:

it think I don't need to tell, that I can't speak mysql :)

[19:39:42]

hjohnson:

I saw a lot of things that people don't get to see, and got to talk to a lot of people that you never hear from in the media.

[19:39:53]

Cyberai:

wow mchou, couldn't let it go huh?

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godzirra:

So how do I tell what device in /dev that my usb device is using? Anyone know offhand? lsusb tells me what the bus id is...

[19:40:10]

Cyberai:

and what was your overall impression hjohnson ?

[19:40:16]

mchou:

Cyberai: let what go?

[19:40:17]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: it's a screwed up mess.

[19:40:21]

Cyberai:

godzirra, dmesg

[19:40:29]

mchou:

the data is accurate.

[19:40:36]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: but on the other hand, it will get worse if there's a saigon style pullout.

[19:40:41]

Cyberai:

if you trust ground data, then yes

[19:41:06]

godzirra:

Cyberai: it doesnt say what its connected to in /dev as far as I can see...

[19:41:09]

Cyberai:

hjohnson, i'll be interested in your post-surge appraisal

[19:41:26]

mchou:

Cyberai: stop smoking dope.

[19:41:29]

Cyberai:

godzirra, unplug it, then plug it in and look at dmesg

[19:41:54]

mchou:

you're saying some countries hide their power plants?

[19:42:31]

Cyberai:

no, some hide the amount of pollutants they output, and they manipulate the data.

[19:42:47]

godzirra:

usb 3–1 is what I'm looking for?

[19:42:52]

Cyberai:

communist governments especially

[19:43:05]

Cyberai:

godzirra, if that's what dmesg says

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mchou:

Cyberai: they know what technology and the age of the plant. that provides them with accurate enough models to predict their CO2 emissions

[19:43:11]

godzirra:

Cyberai: it is, but what does that mean?

[19:43:31]

Cyberai:

mchou, and what if they removed the CO2 scrubbers in order to increase output?

[19:43:36]

godzirra:

configuring lirc so far has been a royal pain in the rear.

[19:43:39]

mchou:

Cyberai: India aint communist last time I checked

[19:43:40]

Cyberai:

prediction models are crap

[19:43:50]

mchou:

Cyberai: lol

[19:44:11]

mchou:

Cyberai: they kow what tech gets used in the plants. That includes scrubbers

[19:44:18]

Cyberai:

I know, I worked on the one that created the original IPCC predictions. Total garbage when you compared it agains the only reliable measurement – satellite data.

[19:44:18]

floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

I just did an svn up last night

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mchou:

Cyberai: those arent predition models

[19:44:29]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: that's one of the reason why I wouldn't mind going back

[19:44:46]

Cyberai:

mchou, and how do they know this? Do they go and check or are they trusting the ChiCom govt?

[19:44:46]

floppyears:

and now when I start mythfrontend it asks me what backend to connect to, and then asks me for a pin :(

[19:45:13]

mchou:

Cyberai: they are saying they check their answers backwards and forwards (base on reporting and predictive models)

[19:45:18]

Cyberai:

mchou, you just said "predict their CO2 emissions". Is what you said not what you meant?

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Cyberai:

once again, predictive models are crap

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mchou:

Cyberai: read the frigging faq

[19:45:56]

hjohnson:

so how about that local sports team?

[19:45:57]

godzirra:

what the heck is this error and how do I fix it? Googling realy hasn't helped me... configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in "." "./.." "./../.."

[19:46:03]

godzirra:

I get that when trying to get lirc running.

[19:46:04]

hjohnson:

I heard that myth is having a hard time recording it.

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godzirra:

as far as I can tell, it -is- running but its not responding to anything when I hit a button on the remote.

[19:46:20]

mchou:

Cyberai: yeah, keep on saying "Don't confuse me with facts"

[19:46:32]

mchou:

Cyberai: bury your head in the sand

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Cyberai:

godzirra, you're missing a script that automates the install of LIRC. I advise you re-download the source and look for it. if it's not there then look for another place to get the source, preferrably the LIRC website.

[19:46:53]

hjohnson:

godzirra: can you run lirc in the foreground and see what its reporting?

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godzirra:

hjohnson: I don't see a binary to run lirc ... just lircd

[19:47:21]

godzirra:

Cyberai: I just downloaded from cvs, and its not in the source

[19:47:23]

hjohnson:

godzirra: right...

[19:47:29]

Cyberai:

mchou, you're missing the point. What I am trying to tell you is that you are taking certain things as facts that aren't really verifiable.

[19:47:34]

godzirra:

Cyberai: or at least find -name install* only shows install.html

[19:47:38]

mchou:

Cyberai: bullshit

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hjohnson:

godzirra: lircd should have a commandline switch to tell it not to fork into the background, and dump status messages.

[19:47:46]

godzirra:

ah ok.

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mchou:

Cyberai: they verify reported numbers by using predictive models

[19:48:18]

godzirra:

hjohnson: ok, it definitely doesnt output anything when I point the remote at the receiver and hit buttons.

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mchou:

to see if anyone is lying.....

[19:48:59]

mchou:

and the reported #s match their predictive models, which gives confidence that the reported #s arent fudges

[19:49:08]

hjohnson:

wow.. winnipeg is cleaning up in toronto

[19:49:10]

mchou:

fudged*

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godzirra:

hjohnson: so what now?

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Cyberai:

mchou, I worked on the IWPMS. I can tell you with authority that ground based readings and predictive models are extremely unreliable at best. Hence why even the NWS can barely predict tomorrows weather. Their ability to predict CO2 and other pollutants is just as unreliable. But if you want to believe, go ahead. I've just seen the evidence.

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mchou:

lol

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hjohnson:

godzirra: I dunno, I haven't messed with lircd at all, so beyond just the running it in the foreground, I can't be of much help, sorry

[19:50:11]

Cyberai:

mchou, has it ever occurred to you that the govt's in question also use thos predictive models and are therefore able to provide results exactly as they wanted?

[19:50:35]

mchou:

Cyberai: haha!

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hjohnson:

when I was in the arctic, we were doing atmospheric sampling in our spare time at our research camp.. it was quite amazing what we found up there.

[19:50:59]

mchou:

the predictive models aren't public

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Cyberai:

considering the millions of variables that are not accountable for in predictive models, and the fact that the models and the results reported matched, gives me a great deal of scepticism.

[19:51:26]

hjohnson:

stuff in the air that you wouldn't expect, given that we are several thousand kilometers from the nearest major town

[19:51:33]

Cyberai:

mchou, the models I worked on weren't public either.

[19:51:57]

Cyberai:

probably still aren't, haven't checked recently though

[19:52:07]

Cyberai:

could have been included in the most recent FOIA

[19:52:11]

Cyberai:

dunno

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godzirra:

Bleh.

[19:52:22]

godzirra:

Can anyone help me with lirc?

[19:52:25]

mchou:

Cyberai: lol

[19:52:35]

mchou:

CARMA is not a govt agency

[19:52:41]

mchou:

FOIA doesnt apply

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Cyberai:

godzirra, I advise you download the lirc source from the lirc site. Compile from that.

[19:52:58]

Cyberai:

mchou, i was referring to the models I worked on.

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godzirra:

Cyberai: is that going to be different from the cvs snapshot from the site?

[19:53:16]

godzirra:

thats what I grabbed.

[19:53:34]

Cyberai:

could be godzirra.

[19:54:17]

Cyberai:

depending on where you went in the cvs you could have a non-functional version. I did that once with mythtv-plugins

[19:54:27]

godzirra:

Ah.

[19:54:31]

godzirra:

This one has install-sh at least.

[19:55:01]

hjohnson:

godzirra: the othe thing is to doublecheck that it's pointed at the right serial port. :P I've done that a few time with other stuff.

[19:55:11]

godzirra:

I dont know how to check which port its connected to, to be honest.

[19:55:19]

godzirra:

or how to figure out which port its connected to rather.

[19:55:40]

Cyberai:

anyway mchou, I'm sure you're off scouring google for ways to bolster your point. Unfortunately there's nothing I can do to convince you. It appears you have a more religious than objective stance on this subject.

[19:56:08]

Cyberai:

godzirra, what distro of linux are you on;/

[19:56:10]

Cyberai:

?

[19:56:21]

godzirra:

ubuntu

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mchou:

Cyberai: bolster my point my ass. I just told you your China India per capita was full of shit

[19:56:41]

mchou:

Aus, US, UK, in that order.

[19:57:02]

mchou:

that's by any metric or methodology you choose to use

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Cyberai:

if you believe what those models and the ChiCom govt tell you, then you are correct.

[19:59:10]

Cyberai:

However, I've had too many interactions with the Chinese People's Party to go for that.

[19:59:15]

Cyberai:

sorry

[19:59:23]

Cyberai:

we'll just have to agree to disagree

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mchou:

Cyberai: you're so full of shit

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tcpsyn:

heh

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tcpsyn:

I love you guys

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hjohnson:

drop the ad-hominem, it doesn't do much good

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Cyberai:

ah yes, when unable to win an argument, call names – very mature

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godzirra:

Great...

[20:01:16]

Cyberai:

but alas, that's also SOP for the radical

[20:01:22]

godzirra:

Can I actually get someone to help me with my lirc problem, please? :)

[20:01:31]

mchou:

hjohnson: lol, who is doing ad hominem: "We can't trust commies"

[20:01:40]

Cyberai:

godzirra, have you downloaded the LIRC source as I advised?

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hjohnson:

I think I remember now why I had mchou on my ignore list

[20:02:47]

mchou:

hjohnson: Cyberai is in deep denial if he thinks the developed countries dont pollute more per capita than developing countries

[20:03:37]

godzirra:

Cyberai: Yup. But its asking me where my hardware is available.

[20:03:47]

godzirra:

and the four options aer /dev/ttyUSB0–3

[20:03:50]

hjohnson:

i'm not getting into this.

[20:03:55]

godzirra:

and I don't actually -have- any ttyUSB devices.

[20:04:09]

hjohnson:

godzirra: where's your receiver plugged in?

[20:04:22]

godzirra:

To the usb port on the side of my laptop :)

[20:04:54]

mchou:

Cyberai: this is what it was in 1996: http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/ . . . issions.html

[20:04:58]

hjohnson:

is it the only USB serial adapter plugged in?

[20:05:17]

mchou:

US was ranked #1 based on per capita

[20:05:25]

godzirra:

no.

[20:05:30]

godzirra:

there's this one and the actual pvr box.

[20:05:35]

mchou:

AUS was #2

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hjohnson:

godzirra: humm..

[20:05:58]

hjohnson:

wait, the PVR box is a usb device, not a usb serial adapter

[20:06:02]

godzirra:

mchou: I hate to sound insentive, but who the hell really gives a rats ass? Can we move on? :)

[20:06:13]

godzirra:

hjohnson: usb device, correct.

[20:06:16]

hjohnson:

godzirra: it's probably /dev/ttyUSB0 since it's the only serial device on the USB bus

[20:06:18]

godzirra:

the pvr box works fine.

[20:06:25]

Jarda:

hi, is it somehow possible to optimize the stream. I mean, I run mythfrontend over the network to a remote backend, and it doesn't run smoothly

[20:06:28]

hjohnson:

godzirra: right, but it's not a serial device.

[20:06:38]

godzirra:

how do I tell?

[20:06:45]

mchou:

godzirra: no. Cyberai is still in deep denial

[20:06:59]

hjohnson:

godzirra: look under /dev, see if any ttyUSB devices exist.

[20:07:04]

godzirra:

hjohnson: it does not.

[20:07:07]

godzirra:

mchou: I repeat, who -cares-?

[20:07:11]

hjohnson:

that, and/or watch dmesg before and after you plug it in to see where the system puts it.

[20:07:14]

Flexy:

howcome does myth ask what I want to do, when I watch livetv and a recording is starting? I have enough (3) tv cards for the scenario, that I want to keep watching the show I'm watching and still record one or two shows at the same time, so I would expect such a dialog when I'm trying to watch/record 4 channels at the same time... What setting do I need to change to fix this unwanted behaviour?

[20:07:25]

godzirra:

hjohnson: [ 3692.216000] usb 3–1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4

[20:07:37]

mchou:

and Cyberai can tell the Union of Concerned Scientists that their methodology is "faulty"

[20:07:54]

godzirra:

mchou: and you and he can keep arguing about it, and no one in this channel will continue to give a rats ass.

[20:07:56]

hjohnson:

godzirra: hmm.. what receiver device are you using?

[20:08:08]

godzirra:

hjohnson: Bus 003 Device 004: ID 0609:0334 SMK Manufacturing, Inc.

[20:08:14]

godzirra:

that is what shows up in the lsusb

[20:08:23]

mchou:

godzirra: if you dont give an ass, why are you yapping about it?

[20:08:25]

godzirra:

here's what shows up in dmesg: [ 2883.420000] lirc_mceusb2: Philips eHome USB IR Transciever and Microsoft MCE 2005 Remote Control driver for LIRC $Revision: 1.25 $

[20:08:30]

godzirra:

mchou: Because i'm sick of hearing about it =p

[20:08:31]

hjohnson:

godzirra: right, but what kind of device is it? (I'm not very aware of IR remote receivers so I gotta google things

[20:08:37]

hjohnson:

ok...

[20:08:45]

godzirra:

I'm not either.

[20:08:51]

godzirra:

This is the first time i've ever setup myth or lirc. ;)

[20:08:56]

hjohnson:

hehe.

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hjohnson:

most IR receivers I've heard of people using are a couple of simple bits of electronics on a serial port

[20:09:56]

godzirra:

ahh wait a sec.

[20:10:03]

godzirra:

I think I may have used mceusb instead of mceusb2

[20:10:07]

godzirra:

let me recompile and try again

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[20:10:32]

Flexy:

it is as if the recordings want to allways start with the card that is already used by live tv watching?

[20:10:34]

godzirra:

well crap.

[20:10:36]

godzirra:

that didnt change anything.

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floppyears:

hi guys

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hjohnson:

you pointing lircd at /dev/lirc?

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hjohnson:

I'm grasping at straws here.

[20:12:36]

floppyears:

I did an svn up last night and now I can't connect to mythbackend

[20:12:38]

godzirra:

hjohnson: No, I just ran the configure, make, and make insatll.

[20:12:41]

Yahooadam:

is this Lirc & Ubuuntu?

[20:12:44]

floppyears:

the frotnend gives me the following error:

[20:12:53]

Cyberai:

mchou, I'm not in any sort of denial. Frankly i'm the one whose open to ideas other than those spooned to me by people who have a vested interest in the outcome of their "studies". I'm also exposed to data at a level higher than the average consumer due to the nature of my work. I'm sorry you find opposing data and opinions offensive, but it doesn't change anything.

[20:12:56]

floppyears:

Error Retrieving ConnectionInfomation for mythbox: MythTV AV Media Server (501) Action Failed

[20:13:01]

hjohnson:

godzirra: dunno then. do you have a /dev/lirc?

[20:13:52]

godzirra:

Yes.

[20:13:53]

hjohnson:

wow Toronto is getting trounced in the semi-finals.

[20:13:54]

godzirra:

and a /dev/lircd

[20:13:56]

mchou:

Cyberai: opposing, it's not opposing, it's faulty. Like claiming "Intelligent design" is a scientific theory

[20:14:02]

godzirra:

and a /dev/lircm actually.

[20:14:03]

hjohnson:

godzirra: ok, check the lirc configuration to see if it's pointing at /lirc

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[20:14:37]

hjohnson:

er /dev/lirc

[20:14:51]

godzirra:

hjohnson: where? /etc/lircd.conf doesn't seem to show any sort of anything pointing to /dev/anything?

[20:14:57]

mchou:

Cyberai: I've cited many sources that show US is ranked on top of most other nations when it comes to C* pollution per capita.

[20:14:57]

Cyberai:

actually mchou, stating that I don't believe what the ChiComs tell me, and that predictive models are unreliable is far from faulty. it's just an opnion and a statement of fact that you don't like.

[20:15:05]

mchou:

You havent shown shit

[20:15:24]

mchou:

Cyberai: keep on making assertions.....

[20:15:30]

Cyberai:

mchou, please check the 07 addendum to the IPCC report.

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[20:15:41]

mchou:

Show me frigging reports or back it up with data

[20:15:59]

godzirra:

Or just shut up about it.

[20:16:01]

godzirra:

please dear god.

[20:16:06]

zigovr:

hi all, how does recording priority works, the highest the number, the more priority the recording schedule has ?

[20:16:07]

floppyears:

anybody has clues on my problem or a fix ?

[20:16:11]

Cyberai:

I just did, please check it. I get mine as part of my monthly NS update pack.

[20:16:16]

hjohnson:

take it to #asinine_arguments please.

[20:16:32]

Yahooadam:

godzirra – Lirc & what os?

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mchou:

Cyberai: where does IPCC show PER CAPITA?

[20:16:58]

Cyberai:

alright at thois poitn it's </argument>. I'm moving on here.

[20:17:12]

godzirra:

Yahooadam: ubuntu

[20:17:20]

Yahooadam:

7.04 or 7.1?

[20:17:40]

godzirra:

04

[20:18:18]

Yahooadam:

excellent, i enjoyed my 3 days of setting up lirc and 7.04 – <_<

[20:18:35]

hjohnson:

touchdown argos

[20:18:42]

Cyberai:

godzirra, is this a dedicated box? just for mythtv?

[20:18:43]

hjohnson:

woot

[20:19:02]

godzirra:

Cyberai: no.

[20:19:08]

Yahooadam:

godzirra – have you identified your remote yet?

[20:19:15]

godzirra:

Yahooadam: Yes.

[20:19:17]

Cyberai:

oh darn, I was just gonna suggest mythbuntu or mythdora. :)

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Yahooadam:

which one is it godzirra?

[20:19:30]

godzirra:

I think.

[20:19:31]

godzirra:

:)

[20:19:35]

Yahooadam:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

[20:20:01]

Flexy:

howcome does myth want to use the card that is being used for live-tv watching, to recordings scheduled earlier?

[20:20:09]

Cyberai:

I have that remote. I had to install some kernel modules I found by using the MCE remote page on the wiki. But my mythbox is fedora based so...

[20:20:22]

godzirra:

Accoring to here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote I think its 1069

[20:20:47]

Yahooadam:

arghhh – not the 1069 :p

[20:20:54]

hjohnson:

Flexy: probably because it (stupidly) keeps picking the first available card for livetv viewing

[20:20:58]

Cyberai:

well, you can always run the setup again. So as a last resort you might just eliminate each one in order.

[20:21:06]

hjohnson:

Flexy: and that's the one that's also scheduled for recording

[20:21:07]

godzirra:

Yahooadam: whats wrong with that?

[20:21:20]

Yahooadam:

its particularly hard to setup, and the wiki still isnt clear

[20:21:30]

Cyberai:

I have the 1039

[20:21:34]

Cyberai:

works like a charm

[20:21:38]

hjohnson:

Flexy: now i dunno how you fix it

[20:21:42]

godzirra:

1069 is mceusb, not mceusb2, correct?

[20:21:46]

Yahooadam:

yes

[20:21:47]

Cyberai:

I had no idea about the model numbers though, just got lucky

[20:22:01]

Yahooadam:

godzirra – check these

[20:22:02]

Yahooadam:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_l . . . #lirc_mceusb

[20:22:08]

godzirra:

ooh, thakn you.

[20:22:20]

Yahooadam:

also, general install instructions – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_lirc_install

[20:22:29]

hjohnson:

godzirra: sorry I couldn't be of any more help

[20:22:39]

godzirra:

hjohnson: no problem, I reallyappreciate the effort.

[20:22:49]

Flexy:

hjohnson: yeah, I thought that is the reason, but was hoping that it's some setup issue/failure that I've done and could be easily fixed

[20:22:52]

Cyberai:

so hjohnson, is your trip to the big suck a work related thing?

[20:22:57]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: yeah

[20:23:10]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: thankfully I didn't ever actually see "the shit"

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[20:23:30]

Cyberai:

I did

[20:23:37]

Yahooadam:

was it big and shitty?

[20:23:53]

Pogonip_:

How do I setup one system as frontend only to a backend system?

[20:24:10]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: I had probably one of the most unique experiences... I was travelling through the country with a CPT, and we hit I think 29 FOBs in 60 days.

[20:24:30]

Cyberai:

no, I went out with my little parasol and sang "singing in the rain" while we got shelled by islamofascists. It was a rockin good time.

[20:24:48]

Yahooadam:

Pogonip – install mythtv and then run the frontend?

[20:24:52]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: but unlkike most contractors, i wasn't a "contractor" but more like an embedded tech, so I ate/lived with the soldiers.

[20:25:03]

Yahooadam:

Pogonip, if your running ubuntu you can do sudo apt-get install mythtv-frontend

[20:25:22]

godzirra:

Yahooadam: which driver do I want to put in my /etc/lirc/hardware.conf?

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Pogonip_:

Yahooadam; I am running Ubuntu and that's what I did. I can't see the Mythbackend system from my Frontend system

[20:26:46]

** hjohnson has fond memories of this flight from Tikrit to Mosul... maybe 100 feet off the deck, doing 250mph, doors open, at 6:30 in the morning. **

[20:26:50]

godzirra:

nice, the link on the mythtv wiki deosnt work, for the MCE remotes

[20:26:57]

godzirra:

the one to get the lircd.conf

[20:27:22]

Cyberai:

yeah, my experience left me torn. I vascillate between "Kill the violent ones and teach the rest democracy" and "nuke the whole mess and be done". Depends on how many beers I've had.

[20:27:36]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: heh

[20:27:40]

Yahooadam:

godzirra – lirc_mceusb

[20:27:42]

Pogonip_:

godzirra; If you have am email address I can send you the one I downloaded a couple of days ago.

[20:27:43]

Cyberai:

hold on godzirra I have that lircd.conf

[20:27:57]

Yahooadam:

pogonip – on the backend, edit my.cnf and comment out the "Bind-Address" line

[20:28:10]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: some of the things I saw, left over from the old regime, just made me boggle...

[20:28:20]

godzirra:

Pogonip_: that would be helpful. pm incoming.

[20:28:27]

Cyberai:

such as?

[20:28:34]

godzirra:

can you send me the lircrc file too if you have it, please?

[20:28:42]

hjohnson:

the palaces, the prison at FOB Loyalty, the retreat center at Fallujah..

[20:28:53]

Pogonip_:

godzirra; ActuallyI can paste it to you. Give me a second.

[20:29:09]

hjohnson:

the prison at Loyalty was the creepiest/scarriest though

[20:29:29]

godzirra:

sure thing

[20:29:38]

godzirra:

wtf... when I rnu lircd -n, it says its using mceusb2

[20:29:48]

Cyberai:

I never saw any of that

[20:30:13]

Cyberai:

I went in, set up some stuff in about 5 locations (twice under heavy fire) and got evac'ed

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hjohnson:

Cyberai: I had a truely unique experience, really... I probably saw more of the country than pretty much anyone else.

[20:30:33]

Cyberai:

I saw enough :)

[20:30:38]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: heh

[20:30:40]

Yahooadam:

godzirra – did you recompile after checking those files?

[20:30:49]

hjohnson:

I was there in summer '06, so it wasn't too bad.

[20:30:50]

Yahooadam:

(checking/changing)

[20:30:54]

godzirra:

Yahooadam: Yes.

[20:31:01]

Cyberai:

I never knew bullets sizzle when they are close. learn something new every day huh?

[20:31:09]

godzirra:

Yahooadam: well, I didn't recompile, I followed the ubuntu howto

[20:31:11]

godzirra:

that you linked.

[20:31:19]

godzirra:

i think it may be leftover from my old compilation?

[20:31:26]

Yahooadam:

maybe

[20:31:28]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: I never knew that a mortar strike nearby would feel like you had run something over with the truck.

[20:31:33]

Yahooadam:

do sudo modprobe lirc_mceusb

[20:31:45]

hjohnson:

(first day baghdad, mortar hits 80 feet from the pickup I was riding in)

[20:31:56]

godzirra:

shawn@shawn-laptop:/etc/lirc$ lsmod | grep lirc_mce

[20:31:56]

godzirra:

lirc_mceusb 11488 0

[20:32:05]

Yahooadam:

and can you pastebin your hardware.conf and lirc-modules-source.conf

[20:32:07]

godzirra:

Yup.

[20:32:10]

godzirra:

sec.

[20:32:22]

Cyberai:

getting sheleld just fels like..... getting shelled

[20:32:55]

hjohnson:

by the end of it, we'd hear the inbound round hit, and just ignore it because there usually wasn't more than one. :P

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godzirra:

Is there a way to turn off twinview in X without restarting X and editing your config every time?

[20:33:59]

Dr_willis:

godzirra, Some how – i saw the latest ubuntu sort of did that.. But not sure how they managed. Well.. they managed to enable twinview without restarting X.

[20:34:03]

Yahooadam:

i dont think so, but you may be able to just disable one of the screens ...

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Dr_willis:

Not sure about disabling it. :) The latest nvidia tools may have that feture let me see.

[20:34:45]

Cyberai:

I was deaf for almost a day after we got shelled. one went off about 30 yards away and blew us all off our feet. Felt like I got turned inside out for the first 30 secs. Damn Marines got right up and were firing back. I have no idea how they do that. I was still trying to figure out which end of me was ass.

[20:34:57]

hjohnson:

most extreme experience I had, though, was flying into FOB Salerno in Afghanistan on a C130... all of a sudden the loadmaster comes back and tells us to strap in and get our armour on.. and as he does this, everything inside the aircraft goes airborn.

[20:35:23]

Cyberai:

ROFL, new meaning to the term "turbulance" huh?

[20:35:28]

hjohnson:

hehe

[20:35:38]

Dr_willis:

cant seem to disable it on the fly.

[20:35:46]

hjohnson:

I never knew a big aircraft like that could make maneuvers like that.

[20:35:49]

godzirra:

bleh.. brb.

[20:36:03]

evilint:

can anyone help me configure my network settings on fedora 6...got it going with a static ip, but it isnt resolving hosts

[20:36:04]

godzirra:

Yahooadam: let me pastebin them in a second... I have to figure out how to stop having stuff show up on the tv since I unplugged it =p

[20:36:15]

Yahooadam:

lol

[20:36:29]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: yeah, admitedly the mortar that whacked in 80 odd feet from me was one of the itty bitty ones, and hit on the other side of a trailer.

[20:36:33]

Cyberai:

evilint, do it once with dhcp, run ifconfig, copy the settings. Go back to static and put the dns entries in.

[20:36:38]

Yahooadam:

its a shame, gfx drivers are still a big pitfall of linux

[20:36:43]

evilint:

k, i'll try that

[20:36:54]

godzirra:

ok, back.

[20:37:04]

evilint:

actually, Cyberai, I do know the dns servers

[20:37:08]

evilint:

i just dont know how to specify them

[20:37:18]

Cyberai:

hjohnson, my worst part was my last day.

[20:37:35]

Cyberai:

evilint, system-config-network

[20:37:36]

evilint:

tried putting dns=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx in the /sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0

[20:38:10]

godzirra:

Yahooadam: paste what? hardware.conf : http://pastebin.com/d1ca0bf4c lircd.conf : http://pastebin.com/d5ad3008d

[20:38:36]

Dr_willis:

Yahooadam, its a shame the video card makers cant get their act together in general.. :)

[20:38:56]

Pogonip_:

godzirra; http://pastebin.ca/781297

[20:39:01]

evilint:

im not seeing a spot for dns entry there Cyberai, should F12 bring me to another screen? it isnt

[20:39:14]

evilint:

possible putty is taking that F12

[20:39:15]

Cyberai:

I had a .50 cal bullet go through a Marine who was covering me and hit me in the back. My armored pack stopped it, but the impact broke 6 vertebra. I woke up in germany.

[20:39:21]

Yahooadam:

godzirra – lirc-modules-source.conf – not lirc.conf

[20:39:29]

Cyberai:

I still have major ouchies

[20:39:35]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: ouch

[20:39:54]

Dr_willis:

Did you get back massages from Hot German Nurses?

[20:39:55]

Dr_willis:

:)

[20:40:01]

Yahooadam:

im guessing the marine died .....

[20:40:04]

Cyberai:

yeah, I'm a half inch shorter now, thanks to some islamofascist bastaard

[20:40:14]

Dr_willis:

Bummer.

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godzirra:

Yahooadam: ah woops. sec.

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Cyberai:

actually no... funny sotry is that he lived

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hjohnson:

yeah, only time I felt I was in serious personal danger was in Kabul... we were driving from the airport to the base, in an unarmoured SUV, and I was crammed in the back, without a weapon of course

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Cyberai:

he lsot a kidney, but he dragged me to safety

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Cyberai:

I owe him my life

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godzirra:

Yahooadam: http://pastebin.ca/781308

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Cyberai:

last I heard from him he went back to the suck in 06

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Cyberai:

tough bastaard

[20:41:33]

Yahooadam:

arggg, why wont anyone in europe ship to the UK

[20:41:34]

Yahooadam:

grrr

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hjohnson:

Cyberai: most Marins I've met are like that.

[20:42:04]

hjohnson:

they are a breed apart

[20:42:23]

Cyberai:

yeah, I was supposed to be a marine, heart murmur 4F'd me

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evilint:

thx Cyberai, got it going...ended up entering the dns through xorg

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Cyberai:

evilint, xorg?

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Yahooadam:

godzirra, that looks ok ...

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Cyberai:

evilint, you mean you lanched X and did it int eh gui?

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Yahooadam:

maybe you need to remove the old version (sudo make remove)

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hjohnson:

Cyberai: heh, I'm just a civilian engineer who got brought in with no training other than "this is how you put your armour on, remember that."

[20:43:30]

Yahooadam:

and probably restart (as i dont know what lirc loads into the kernel ...)

[20:43:37]

Cyberai:

lol, I got the same treatment. I was a contractor, but on a higher level.

[20:43:40]

godzirra:

no rule to make remove

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godzirra:

I already did make uninstall

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Yahooadam:

ah

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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evilint:

yes Cyberai

[20:44:12]

evilint:

kde

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Cyberai:

I work on predictive behaviour analysis and weapons systems

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Yahooadam:

well i suggest restarting, probably do sudo apt-get remove lirc*

[20:44:19]

Yahooadam:

start on a clean slate

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godzirra:

ok.

[20:44:23]

darkstorm:

if i press play @ hear music – mythtv freezes Oo

[20:44:26]

godzirra:

bleh.

[20:44:42]

Cyberai:

fancy way of saying I try to think ahead of the enemy and figure out nifty ways to kill them

[20:45:52]

hjohnson:

Cyberai: i'm satcomms

[20:45:57]

hjohnson:

for public affairs

[20:45:58]

Cyberai:

great thing about these idiots. From a micro-situational perspective they are extremely predictable.

[20:46:12]

darkstorm:

any idea? :/

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hjohnson:

Cyberai: basically, any video you see coming out of the sandbox goes out over our equipment

[20:46:51]

hjohnson:

we put broadcast quality satellite uplinks in the hands of soldiers in the field. :P

[20:46:53]

Cyberai:

I told the command back in 04 that they should just put up a giant cartoon of Muhammed in the desert, wait for all the freaks to show up to tear it down and nuke em.

[20:47:07]

Cyberai:

problem solved.

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

shoot them as they get close to it :p

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Cyberai:

MOAB – cleaner

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Yahooadam:

does MOAB actually stand for somthing

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hjohnson:

the fundamental problem, at least from the people I talked to when i was there is that the people fighting the US aren't locals, they keep coming from the rest of the region... the locals are too busy fighting each other

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Yahooadam:

just put up a _really_ big cartoon :p

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Cyberai:

my understanding is that the sit on the ground is that now the locals have mostly stopped fighting each other.

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Cyberai:

locals are working with US forces to clear out the outside elements

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godzirra:

Yahooadam: now when I run lircd -n, it says userspace

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godzirra:

nothing about mceusb2 or mceusb

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Yahooadam:

did you re-do the guide?

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Pogonip_:

Yahooadam; How do I find the hostname on the backend system?

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Yahooadam:

hostname

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godzirra:

Yahooadam: ya

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Cyberai:

ok, too long in a chair. Gotta go walk the kinks out of my back. Toodles all.

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Yahooadam:

godzirra – try sudo modprobe lirc_mceusb

[20:56:03]

godzirra:

Its already loaded.

[20:56:14]

godzirra:

When I push a button on my remote, a red led lights up on the receiver now

[20:56:19]

godzirra:

not sure if it did that before, but I dont think it did.

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godzirra:

Yahooadam: although the remote doesnt work on myth yet.

[20:57:15]

godzirra:

how can I test and make sure the transmitter is receiving my remote signals? I see the led going on, but that doesnt mean much

[20:57:27]

Yahooadam:

irw

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Yahooadam:

in console

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godzirra:

It says to run irw, but irw just drops immediately to command line

[20:57:41]

Yahooadam:

is lircd running?

[20:57:51]

godzirra:

it is, but irw stops it whenever I run it

[20:57:54]

Yahooadam:

is it still running in a console?

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godzirra:

what do you mean in a console? as in outside of x?

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Yahooadam:

or terminal, whatever u wanna call the CLI :p

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godzirra:

its running, but its running in daemon mode at the moment

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Yahooadam:

did you sudo it?

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Yahooadam:

sudo lircd -d

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godzirra:

Yes.

[20:59:24]

Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

ok kill lircd

[20:59:28]

godzirra:

well, sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start

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godzirra:

ok.

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Yahooadam:

then run it via the terminal

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godzirra:

with -n?

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Yahooadam:

sudo lircd -n

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godzirra:

ok

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godzirra:

lircd-0.8.2-CVS[9072]: lircd(userspace) ready

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Yahooadam:

then in another terminal run irw

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godzirra:

lircd-0.8.2-CVS[9072]: could not open /dev/lirc

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godzirra:

lircd-0.8.2-CVS[9072]: default_init(): No such device

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godzirra:

then it died.

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godzirra:

in the lircd window.

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Yahooadam:

lircd died?

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godzirra:

Correct.

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Yahooadam:

kk 2 secs

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godzirra:

http://pastebin.com/d2af4f22f

[21:01:20]

godzirra:

thats what happened when I ran irw in the other window.

[21:01:28]

Yahooadam:

yeah

[21:01:56]

Yahooadam:

vim hardware.conf

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Yahooadam:

edit DEVIDE="" to DEVICE="/dev/lirc/0"

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Yahooadam:

(DEVICE="")

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godzirra:

does it matter that I don't -have- a /dev/lirc/0?

[21:04:44]

Yahooadam:

shouldnt do

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godzirra:

afk a sec to cut an onion for my hot wife. :)

[21:04:56]

Yahooadam:

pics or it didnt happen :p

[21:05:31]

godzirra:

lircd-0.8.2-CVS[9239]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc/0

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godzirra:

(because it doesnt exist )

[21:05:38]

godzirra:

afk

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

mythfrontend can't connect and it's giving me the following error: Error Retrieving ConnectionInfomation

[21:06:30]

floppyears:

has anybody run into this problem ?

[21:07:23]

pooyak:

how can I watch a program that's already being recorded?

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tank-man:

floppyears, was it working before?

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pooyak:

I can't see it in the "watch recordings"

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Yahooadam:

floppyears – sounds like it cant find mysql.txt

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tank-man:

pooyak, should be there. it is for me

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Yahooadam:

pooyak – just watch it, u dont have to do anything

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Yahooadam:

hmm ...

[21:08:16]

floppyears:

I did an svun up

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floppyears:

Yahooadam: thanks, I will check that

[21:08:48]

floppyears:

the error shows up after I put the security pin after starting mythfrontend

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pooyak:

hah! it just stopped itself and now it is there

[21:09:20]

pooyak:

is there a simple tutorial on how to use recording features somewhere?

[21:09:30]

pooyak:

I can't seem to really do what I want

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pooyak:

I press record on live tv

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pooyak:

but then i find a different recording

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Anduin:

pooyak: Hit m in Watch Recordings and change your filter

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godzirra:

ok, back.

[21:10:13]

godzirra:

Yahooadam: so what now?

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godzirra:

If I do this: shawn@shawn-laptop:~$ sudo lircd -n --device=/dev/lircm

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godzirra:

it starts up, and doesnt die when I start irw.

[21:10:54]

godzirra:

However, it also doesnt show anything when I try and push a button on the remote.

[21:11:20]

godzirra:

Yahooadam: Question... should it say mceusb instead userspace here: lircd-0.8.2-CVS[9369]: lircd(userspace) ready

[21:11:27]

Yahooadam:

na

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godzirra:

ok, because before it said mceusb2

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lizaoreo:

Could he try mode2 and see if he gets feedback from the remote?

[21:11:46]

godzirra:

mode2?

[21:11:51]

lizaoreo:

I got feedback from that before I did with the irw thing.

[21:12:02]

Yahooadam:

godzirra, did you recompile after you changed it?

[21:12:02]

pooyak:

this is strange in the recording directory on the harddrive there are 8 .mpgs but in mythtv i only see four of them

[21:12:08]

godzirra:

Yes.

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Yahooadam:

mm

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pooyak:

ah! there's a filter set!

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** Yahooadam thinks more **

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** Yahooadam has too many pidgin & firefox tabs lol **

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floppyears:

Yahooadam: I checked, and I do have the mysql.txt file

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godzirra:

Any other ideas?

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Yahooadam:

well my next wild guess would be to restart :p

[21:22:41]

Pogonip_:

Yahooadam; Remote frontend and backend still don't see each other.

[21:22:52]

Der_Thomas:

Anyone around with experience setting up DVD import?

[21:22:56]

Yahooadam:

pogonip – did you edit my.cnf ?

[21:23:03]

Pogonip_:

yes;

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Yahooadam:

did you restart mysql?

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Pogonip_:

restarted both systems.

[21:23:23]

Der_Thomas:

I just got this going and ISO works, but transcoding produces no output

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** godzirra sighs. **

[21:23:43]

Der_Thomas:

I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this

[21:23:53]

Yahooadam:

i know, lirc is a bitch godzirra :p

[21:24:01]

Yahooadam:

mceusb2 is so easy :p

[21:24:12]

Anduin:

Der_Thomas: look in the mtd log file, run the transcode command by hand and see what happens

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Yahooadam:

pogonip

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Yahooadam:

open a terminal, run mythfrontend

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Pogonip_:

Done.

[21:26:03]

floppyears:

Yahooadam: I checked, and I do have the mysql.txt file

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Der_Thomas:

Andulin: Thanks, here is my mtd log http://pastebin.ca/781428, it looks like no errors, but there is no file where it says it copied it to

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Pogonip_:

Yahooadam; Unknown mysql server

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Anduin:

Der_Thomas: Yes, but that transcode clearly didn't run

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Der_Thomas:

you say that because if the times from start to finish?

[21:27:53]

Anduin:

Der_Thomas: Yes

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Pogonip_:

Yahooadam; I'm going to take a few minutes and google this.

[21:28:10]

Yahooadam:

pogonip, looks like it cant find the SQL server

[21:28:12]

godzirra:

Yahooadam: yeah, its just irritating =p

[21:28:17]

Yahooadam:

are you using a hostname, or IP?

[21:28:20]

godzirra:

I'm going to eat dinner and screw with it afterwards.

[21:28:32]

Yahooadam:

still no luck?

[21:28:38]

godzirra:

I havent played with it yet.

[21:28:41]

Pogonip_:

godzirra; what kind of problems are you seeing?

[21:28:42]

godzirra:

I havent restarted it or anything.

[21:28:51]

godzirra:

Pogonip_: it doesnt detect anything from the remote. ;)

[21:28:52]

Der_Thomas:

Anduin, well when I just run "transocde" I get no errors, but I can't really run the whole command since the vob is gone now

[21:29:05]

Der_Thomas:

Anduin, you know any good way to test this?

[21:29:09]

floppyears:

Yahooadam: I'm using my own ip

[21:29:12]

Pogonip_:

Does IRW work?

[21:29:14]

floppyears:

but so far no luck :(

[21:29:15]

godzirra:

Pogonip_: nope.

[21:29:21]

floppyears:

I'm afraid it's an svn bug ;(

[21:29:22]

Anduin:

Der_Thomas: Yeah, to a perfect rip and transcode that

[21:29:32]

Pogonip_:

Are you using the MCE remote?

[21:29:48]

Der_Thomas:

OK, perfect rip does no trnascode?

[21:30:17]

Anduin:

Der_Thomas: correct, you will just get the vob (I'd do some non-main title to make it quick)

[21:30:31]

Pogonip_:

godzirra; Are you using the MCE blaster and remote?

[21:30:46]

godzirra:

Pogonip_: Yes.

[21:30:58]

Der_Thomas:

Anduin, cool

[21:31:01]

Der_Thomas:

Anduin, thanks

[21:31:10]

Der_Thomas:

Anduin, I'll give that a try

[21:31:13]

godzirra:

Although I'm not 100% positive I'm connecting lircd to the right device.

[21:31:14]

Pogonip_:

I'll paste my hardware, lirc confs, I'm using the same setup.

[21:31:19]

godzirra:

ok.

[21:31:23]

godzirra:

Using a 1069?

[21:31:26]

godzirra:

I'd appreciate it. :)

[21:32:04]

Pogonip_:

No problem. I did quite a bit of troubleshooting of lirc last week so I might be able to help.

[21:32:16]

Yahooadam:

but are you using the 1069 remote pogonip

[21:32:20]

Yahooadam:

cos the 1069 is a bitch >_<

[21:32:47]

Pogonip_:

Give me a second, my other system is in another room and these two aren't talking to each other right now.

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Yahooadam:

umm

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Yahooadam:

pogonip, can you ping your msqlserver ?

[21:37:08]

Yahooadam:

(ping ip.add.goes.here)

[21:38:39]

Pogonip_:

godzirra; lirc is at http://pastebin.ca/781459

[21:38:58]

Yahooadam:

thats just lircd.conf

[21:39:06]

Yahooadam:

he needs hardware.conf and lirc-modules-source.conf

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Pogonip_:

godzirra; hardware.conf http://pastebin.ca/781464

[21:41:10]

Yahooadam:

yeah this wont help, your not using the right remote

[21:41:11]

godzirra:

I thouht the 1069 was lirc_mceusb ?

[21:41:13]

godzirra:

not mceusb2?

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Yahooadam:

hes using a different remote godzirra

[21:41:31]

godzirra:

well damnit.

[21:41:47]

Pogonip_:

Crap. I thought I could help.

[21:41:53]

godzirra:

I'm uninstalling via apt-get again =p

[21:41:57]

Yahooadam:

lol

[21:42:01]

Yahooadam:

doubt it will help

[21:42:11]

Yahooadam:

if you remove everything with apt

[21:42:23]

godzirra:

I'm making sure everything is gone.

[21:42:25]

Yahooadam:

restart, check /dev and there shouldnt be _anything_ to do with lirc

[21:42:30]

godzirra:

ok.

[21:42:37]

Pogonip_:

godzirra; what instance is being created /dev

[21:42:38]

Der_Thomas:

Anduin, got it working now, turned out to be that I didn't have libxvidcore installed...

[21:42:51]

Der_Thomas:

Anduin, [export_xvid4.so] No libxvidcore API4 found

[21:43:34]

Pogonip_:

you should see something like /dev/lirc0

[21:44:13]

Der_Thomas:

Anduin, I installed it, now transcode is working from the command line. I'll have a go with it from mythDVD soon, Thanks for your help

[21:44:22]

hjohnson:

yeay! looks like I got my free upgrades on the YVR->LHR flight

[21:45:30]

Pogonip_:

Yahooadam; How do I find the ip for the mysqlserver?

[21:45:37]

Yahooadam:

ifconfig

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Yahooadam:

on the mysql server box

[21:46:06]

godzirra:

Ok, there's nothing in /dev/lir*

[21:46:12]

Yahooadam:

pogonip, it depends what your using with lirc, mceusb2 makes /dev/lirc0

[21:47:02]

hjohnson:

I get to rid up front on the jet.

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godzirra:

Yahooadam: so now try to go through the howto again?

[21:49:50]

Yahooadam:

pretty much godzirra :p

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Yahooadam:

welcome to my world :p

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floppyears:

are any of you guys running svn ?

[21:50:46]

godzirra:

For 1069 I definietly want mceusb, NOT mceusb2?

[21:51:07]

floppyears:

I think I may hav found a bug, and want to double check with somebody

[21:51:10]

xris:

floppyears: what exactly is the bug?

[21:52:43]

Pogonip_:

lirc0 should be under /dev

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floppyears:

xris: the required security pin by mythtv

[21:53:47]

floppyears:

I set it using mythtv-setup

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floppyears:

and then when I run mythfrontend, it asks me for the pin

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floppyears:

and when I enter it I get the following error:

[21:54:14]

Der_Thomas:

anyone know if MTD (mythtranscode daemon) had to run on the local machine, or if it can run on another faster machine? My FE is dying trying to transcode a DVD

[21:54:31]

Yahooadam:

godzirra – thats what the wiki says ...

[21:55:07]

godzirra:

rebuilt the whole freaking thing.

[21:55:20]

Anduin:

Der_Thomas: local, though there is no great reason (other than preventing confusion for some)

[21:55:21]

floppyears:

xris: (501) – Action Failed : Error Requesting Connection Info : (1) – error occurred while parsing reference

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a1fa:

anybody using zoneminder with their mythtv box?

[21:55:38]

godzirra:

when I run irw, I still get this: http://pastebin.com/d3281df0b

[21:55:53]

godzirra:

Yahooadam: whats what the wiki says?

[21:56:07]

xris:

floppyears: sounds like it might be a bug... I'm recompining things now, will try to duplicate it if I don't get distracted before it's done

[21:56:08]

floppyears:

xris: I've tried using : 0000 and it also gives me that error

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floppyears:

xris: thanks

[21:57:33]

Pogonip_:

Oh. Make sure you have permissions set correctly on dev/lirc

[21:57:40]

godzirra:

Pogonip_: what permissions should they be?

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a1fa:

i cant believe no one is using mythtv

[21:58:06]

Pogonip_:

execute

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godzirra:

This includes my ls -la http://pastebin.com/d63c93da7

[21:58:24]

Yahooadam:

its not making /dev/lircX for him, which is weird

[21:58:48]

Yahooadam:

thats why you need to specifiy a device

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Yahooadam:

try DEVICE="/dev/lirc0"

[21:59:40]

godzirra:

even though I don't have a /dev/lirc0 ?

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Pogonip_:

Yahooadam; On my system lirc0 gets created under /dev not /dev/lirc

[22:00:47]

Yahooadam:

thats what will happen with my code pogonip

[22:00:57]

Yahooadam:

yeah it should make it godzirra

[22:01:09]

Pogonip_:

godzirra; Yahooadam is correct, it's not a permission problem, for some reason lirc0 isn't being created or is being created in another location.

[22:01:21]

godzirra:

so how do I do something to fix that?

[22:01:43]

Yahooadam:

specify it godzirra

[22:01:49]

Yahooadam:

hardware.conf – DEVICE= ...

[22:02:06]

Yahooadam:

maybe mceusb doesnt have the info in it to specify that automatically

[22:02:22]

Pogonip_:

IRW -d /dev/lirc0

[22:02:27]

godzirra:

Yahooadam: just putting /dev/lirc0 in hardware.conf won't automake the device though...

[22:02:33]

a1fa:

zoneminder, anyone???

[22:02:40]

Yahooadam:

yeah but lirc reads that and should make it

[22:03:41]

godzirra:

I just restarted lirc and there's still no lirc0

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Yahooadam:

did you recompile?

[22:04:43]

Pogonip_:

No lirc0 or lircX X = some number:?

[22:04:48]

godzirra:

Recompile why? Hardware.conf is a config file... recompiling isn't going to change that...

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godzirra:

Pogonip_: nope. Just lirc, lircm and lircd

[22:05:15]

Yahooadam:

because the compilation reads hardware.conf i believe

[22:05:26]

Yahooadam:

man it would be helpful if somone here actually had the 1069 remote :p

[22:05:37]

godzirra:

... I don't think so. The hardware.conf in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf? I'm pretty sure the compilation doesnt.

[22:06:17]

Yahooadam:

it reads lirc-module-source.conf from there, why not hardware.conf

[22:06:37]

Anduin:

godzirra: lsmod shows lirc_mceusb2?

[22:06:49]

godzirra:

Anduin: no, lirc_mceusb

[22:06:50]

Yahooadam:

Anduin – lirc_mceusb

[22:08:10]

godzirra:

ok, i've just uninstalled via apt.

[22:08:22]

Yahooadam:

hmm

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a1fa:

lol

[22:08:24]

godzirra:

the /etc/lirc directory is still there with all of the files.

[22:08:27]

a1fa:

you should take that to lirc

[22:08:30]

a1fa:

seriously

[22:08:39]

Yahooadam:

in 7.10 mceusb2 works – apparently

[22:08:42]

godzirra:

lirc is almost completely empty and no one talks in it =p

[22:09:07]

godzirra:

and at the moment, this is the noe thing stopping frmo returning it and just keeping my tivo =p

[22:12:12]

godzirra:

ok, everything is uninstalled.

[22:12:18]

godzirra:

i've got nothing at all in /dev/lir*

[22:12:33]

godzirra:

I'm curious whether I shuold try the ubuntu method again, or try to install from source.

[22:14:36]

Yahooadam:

mmm

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Anduin:

godzirra: can you pastebin a lsusb

[22:14:43]

Yahooadam:

maybe try the proposed repositories ....

[22:15:07]

Yahooadam:

Anduin – he had the reciever working at one point, so thats not the issue (Well the light blinked)

[22:15:35]

godzirra:

yeah, the light no longer blinks.. let me try replugging to verify.

[22:15:51]

Yahooadam:

it wont godzirra

[22:15:52]

godzirra:

yup, no light blinking anymore.

[22:15:56]

Yahooadam:

it only blinks when you load the module

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Anduin:

Yahooadam: So he has a lirc_dev: lirc_register_pluigin: message in dmesg?

[22:16:16]

Yahooadam:

well he wont anymore, he removed lirc

[22:16:19]

godzirra:

not anymore.

[22:16:27]

godzirra:

Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0609:0334 SMK Manufacturing, Inc.

[22:16:33]

godzirra:

that is my receiver, frmo lsusb

[22:17:15]

Anduin:

an lirc_mceusb2 device

[22:18:01]

godzirra:

... The docs says its a lirc_mceusb device for this remote... erghhg.

[22:18:08]

Yahooadam:

according to the wiki, the 1069 remote uses mceusb

[22:18:21]

godzirra:

Anduin: where do you see that the SMK is mceusb2?

[22:18:23]

Anduin:

according the the lirc_mceusb2 source that is incorrect

[22:18:34]

godzirra:

I'll trust the source over the wiki.

[22:18:37]

godzirra:

"use the source, luke!"

[22:18:44]

godzirra:

let me try configuring for mceusb 2 then.

[22:18:58]

Anduin:

I am looking at recent CVS but I don't think it moved

[22:22:03]

tcpsyn:

howd you know my name was luke?

[22:22:13]

godzirra:

I used the source.

[22:22:15]

tcpsyn:

asside of /who of course

[22:22:25]

godzirra:

well crap.

[22:22:32]

tcpsyn:

I guess the source knows too

[22:22:37]

Yahooadam:

?

[22:24:26]

godzirra:

I skipped a step. :)

[22:26:41]

godzirra:

still no luck setting it up via mceusb2 :/

[22:27:50]

Anduin:

godzirra: Which lirc (that model appears to have been added in last September)

[22:27:58]

godzirra:

The one from feisty fawn.

[22:28:12]

godzirra:

0.8.2

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godzirra:

-cvs

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pooyak:

hi again

[22:29:20]

godzirra:

Anduin: is that new enough?

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pooyak:

godzirra, did you get irw to work?

[22:29:34]

godzirra:

pooyak: nope.

[22:29:43]

pooyak:

but cat /dev/lirc0 works?

[22:29:46]

godzirra:

Nope.

[22:29:51]

godzirra:

Its never created a /dev/lirc0 device. Ever.

[22:30:01]

godzirra:

I have /dev/lirc, lircd, lircm

[22:30:02]

pooyak:

do you have kernel modules loaded?

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Anduin:

godzirra: Probably no

[22:30:13]

pooyak:

cause I had finally to manually compile them

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pooyak:

and copy them to /lib/modules

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godzirra:

pooyak: Yup.

[22:30:19]

godzirra:

lirc_mceusb2 14084 0

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godzirra:

lirc_dev 15988 1 lirc_mceusb2

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godzirra:

usbcore 134280 5 lirc_mceusb2,pvrusb2,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd

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pooyak:

and reboot?

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godzirra:

Anduin: its probably not new enough?

[22:32:21]

godzirra:

back in a few.

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Anduin:

godzirra: Sorry, phone, yes, unless it is very close to 0.8.3 it isn't new enough

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floppyears:

xris: if you can reproduce or find a fix to the problem that I'm having let me know

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xris:

willdo

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floppyears:

thanks

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godzirra:

Anduin: Ok, I'll unintsall again and try compiling frmo source then.

[22:34:15]

pooyak:

i imported an xml file for channel listing

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Anduin:

godzirra: from a cvs checkout? (if not point me to the source you are going to use)

[22:35:02]

godzirra:

This was what I was going to use: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/lirc/lirc-0.8.2.tar.bz2

[22:35:06]

godzirra:

but its 0.8.2 as ewll.

[22:35:15]

godzirra:

the cvs checkout I made didn't have the install-sh script so I cuoldnt get it working.

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godzirra:

Anduin: you gonna be here for a few? I'm running to takem y kid to get icecream real quick.

[22:35:28]

godzirra:

i'll be back in a few.

[22:35:48]

Anduin:

godzirra: probably

[22:39:10]

lizaoreo:

I'm having issues getting Lirc to communicate with MythTV. I've gotten to the point I can start up irw and it gives me feedback.

[22:39:14]

Anduin:

godzirra: that 0.8.2 release is too old, http://www.lirc.org/cvs.html if you follow the directions there you will get an install-sh

[22:39:36]

pooyak:

i imported some channel data with mythfilldatabase and now the database seems to be broken. the program guide it hangs on some channels and I got channel duplicates

[22:39:52]

pooyak:

is there anyway to clean up the database?

[22:41:22]

Anduin:

pooyak: mythtv-setup will let you delete channels for an input source

[22:42:14]

pooyak:

Anduin, good idea. or maybe i better delete all the sources and start again

[22:42:27]

Anduin:

That would do it as well

[22:42:43]

Anduin:

(or by hand if your SQL isn't too bad)

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pooyak:

which table is it? cause it seems like there multiple tables

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hads:

The channels are in channel

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Anduin:

channel (and program for gude data)

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pooyak:

have you used this zap2xml script?

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Anduin:

No, I use SD

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pooyak:

do you know that when importing the xml file for channels

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pooyak:

(with mythfilldatabase)

[22:50:19]

pooyak:

should I have scanned for channels first?

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pooyak:

I don't see frequency information in the xml file

[22:51:02]

pooyak:

but I thought the duplication I had before might be because of this

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Anduin:

pooyak: The data should be associated with a source id and have an "xmltvid" which should prevent duplicates

[22:54:05]

pooyak:

i set the source id

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pooyak:

bet don't know about xmltvid

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pooyak:

let me check

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godzirra:

Anduin: ok, I'll try it again

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godzirra:

I'm back from taking my kid for ice cream.

[23:19:08]

godzirra:

Anduin: following the instructions,. I get no install-sh =p

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Anduin:

godzirra: running autogen.sh should have done it

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godzirra:

Anduin: It didnt. It generated an error.

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godzirra:

I downloaded an 0.8.3 snapshot though.

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godzirra:

Still no /dev/lirc0

[23:31:33]

godzirra:

and when I run irw, lirc dies.

[23:31:56]

godzirra:

wtf am I doing wrong... this is getting really frustrating.

[23:34:21]

Der_Thomas:

godzirra, have you tried setserial?

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Anduin:

godzirra: Where did you get the 0.8.3 snapshot from?

[23:34:58]

godzirra:

Anduin: Anduin http://lirc.sourceforge.net/software/snapshots/

[23:35:02]

godzirra:

Der_Thomas: no, its a usb device

[23:35:17]

Der_Thomas:

ah

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Der_Thomas:

...and I'm guessing that other USB stuff works

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godzirra:

yup.

[23:36:13]

godzirra:

including the pvr usb2 =p

[23:36:28]

Der_Thomas:

yuk

[23:36:28]

Anduin:

godzirra: That snapshot should have it

[23:37:10]

godzirra:

I did that and then ran through here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remo . . . a_MCE_Remote

[23:37:35]

godzirra:

Except I chose mceusb2 instead of what it lists on that page.

[23:37:37]

mzb_d800:

godzirra: as Der_Thomas said: look at setserial

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godzirra:

mzb_d800: why? Its a usb device.

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godzirra:

mzb_d800: why? Its a usb device.

[23:38:04]

mzb_d800:

ah

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mzb_d800:

fair enough

[23:38:16]

mzb_d800:

using the dev/input driver?

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Anduin:

godzirra: You are sure the old stuff is gone?

[23:38:57]

godzirra:

Anduin: yes

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godzirra:

mzb_d800: I have no idea... I just went through ther steps listed on the page.

[23:39:31]

Der_Thomas:

what drivers are you using?

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godzirra:

lirc_mceusb2

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Pogonip_:

godzirra; I thought this was mceusb and not usb2

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Der_Thomas:

so you modprobe lirc_dev then modprobe lirc_mceusb2?

[23:40:27]

godzirra:

Pogonip_: anduin told me that according to the source code, its mceusb2.

[23:40:44]

godzirra:

Der_Thomas: I just modprobe lirc_mceusb2, andit loads lirc_dev automatically, but yes.

[23:40:48]

godzirra:

lsmod shows them loaded.

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Anduin:

godzirra: anything in dmesg about lirc?

[23:41:29]

Anduin:

(you should see lirc_mceusb2 registering itself with lirc_dev)

[23:41:31]

Der_Thomas:

ok, then once loaded what do you get from irw?

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godzirra:

Der_Thomas: irw causes lircd to terminate.

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Pogonip_:

that's new.

[23:43:04]

godzirra:

Pogonip_: nope. its bene happening for me this whole time.

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godzirra:

Anduin: http://pastebin.com/d440473eb

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Anduin:

godzirra: Yeah, that doesn't show the message (lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate blah)

[23:46:11]

godzirra:

I'm going to go back to trying to set it up on my desktop since I've confirmed that tv out looks pretty good (frmo my laptop)

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godzirra:

On the bright side, I know for a fact that i've never ever tried to setup lirc here.

[23:47:49]

godzirra:

So for the 1069, when I run configure on lirc, I select "Windows Media Center Remotes (new version, Philips et al.)"

[23:47:52]

godzirra:

correct?

[23:48:05]

godzirra:

Thats the one that afterwards says "driver:mceusb2"

[23:48:41]

Der_Thomas:

godzirra, not sure if this helps but I had similar frustrations with lirc, I could load lirc_dev, but when trying to load lirc_serial it would say it was loaded, but never create a /dev/lirc*

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Anduin:

godzirra: Yeah, or just --with-driver=mceusb2

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godzirra:

Der_Thomas: Thats exactly whats happening... except mines not serial. how'd you fix it?

[23:49:22]

Der_Thomas:

then I discovered setserial and not I have to run that before my system loads the lirc_serial driver

[23:49:35]

Der_Thomas:

I'm not sure if there is an equiv thing for USB

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Der_Thomas:

is the ISB some kind of serial emulation deivse?

[23:50:00]

Der_Thomas:

*USB

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godzirra:

no idea to be honest.

[23:50:44]

Der_Thomas:

I've never used a USB irc device, but there seems to be something similar going on with this

[23:52:02]

Der_Thomas:

before I built a FE I did this on my desktop and had te same problem. The only difference was that I had something else using my serial port so I had to umload that module before I setserial and then loaded the lirc module

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Der_Thomas:

maybe you can try to unload your other USB modules 1st?

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Pogonip_new:

What do I need to do to access a mythbackend from a remote mythfrontend?

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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Der_Thomas:

Pogonip_new, not sure what your question is

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Pogonip_new:

My remote mythfrontend doesn't see the mythbackend server

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Der_Thomas:

are you on the same subnet, any firewalls (hw or software between them?

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Der_Thomas:

can you ping the IP of your BE?

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godzirra:

Anduin: Is this right:

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godzirra:

[64258.716000] lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0

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godzirra:

[64258.728000] lirc_mceusb2[4]: SMK CORPORATION MCE TRANCEIVR Emulator Device 2006 on usb1:4

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godzirra:

[64258.728000] usbcore: registered new interface driver lirc_mceusb2

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Anduin:

godzirra: Yes, finally

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godzirra:

Apparently it just hates my laptop

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godzirra:

lemme try running lircd and see if irw kills it

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Pogonip_new:

No firewalls that I'm aware of. and I just check the IPs and subnets a few minutes ago.

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Anduin:

I too now hate your laptop

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godzirra:

Yes.

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godzirra:

the laptop is evil.

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godzirra:

It works.

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godzirra:

Took me 3 minutes on my desktop.

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godzirra:

THREE.

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godzirra:

I'd rip my hair out if i had any. Thanks for all your help ;)

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Der_Thomas:

Pogonip_new, can you ping the IP of your BE?

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Der_Thomas:

Pogonip_new, can you ping the IP of your BE from your FE?

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godzirra:

Do I need to do anything to get my remote to work with mythtv?

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Pogonip_new:

Yes, it pings OK.

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godzirra:

apparently I do ;)

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Pogonip_new:

I also verified the host name on the BE.

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Der_Thomas:

godzirra: yup, you have to configre ~.lircrc run irxevent

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