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Friday, November 16th, 2007, 00:05 UTC

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darkwizard:

anyone here

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darkwizard:

i need some really bad help with xserver

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Yahooadam:

possibly

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darkwizard:

all i get is black screen with mouse icon

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ali1234:

really bad help? okay

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darkwizard:

anyone think they can help me find out why

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ali1234:

does the mouse pointer move when you mode the mouse?

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ali1234:

*move

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darkwizard:

yes

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darkwizard:

but no icons

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darkwizard:

no desktop

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ali1234:

well that's something. you got dual monitors?

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H00chster:

did you install a window manager?

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ali1234:

or monitor+tv?

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H00chster:

if not then that is perfectly normal

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darkwizard:

dual

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darkwizard:

i have tv and monitor

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darkwizard:

both black

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ali1234:

what is on the other screen?

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ali1234:

hmm

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darkwizard:

on tv nothing

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darkwizard:

both soild black

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Yahooadam:

what distro, and did you just install ?

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darkwizard:

debian v4

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directhex:

how did you start your x server?

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Yahooadam:

has it ever worked? what did you change if it did?

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darkwizard:

debian-40r1-i386-netinst

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darkwizard:

in prompt i type in startx

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directhex:

so you don't have a window manager. your behaviour is normal

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darkwizard:

were i get window manager

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directhex:

use ctrl-alt-backspace to kill it, then run "apt-get install gdm gnome"

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darkwizard:

installing

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Yahooadam:

then i think you do /etc/init.d/gdm start

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darkwizard:

directhex that will fix my problem

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directhex:

if you do what Yahooadam said, then yes

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Yahooadam:

yey :)

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directhex:

startx does just that – starts an x server. unless you set something up, the x server won't have anything actually running on it, like a desktop

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darkwizard:

ahhh

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directhex:

gdm is a daemon which takes care of all that for you – it'll give you a graphical login screen on boot

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directhex:

and allow you to pik from different installed desktop systems to use

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darkwizard:

i have kde

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directhex:

like gnome, kde, fluxbox, xfce4, twm, and others

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darkwizard:

i have kde installed

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directhex:

then you want a login manager to handle letting you use it

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directhex:

gdm is one option. kdm, xdm, wdm are others

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darkwizard:

then gdm

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darkwizard:

will do it

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darkwizard:

?

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directhex:

for kde, you might want to install kdm instead of gdm. it integrates a little better

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directhex:

both will do the job though

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darkwizard:

kdm?

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directhex:

kdm. kde desktop manager.

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darkwizard:

were do i get kdm

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darkwizard:

i have kde installed

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directhex:

same place you get any package on a debian system

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darkwizard:

so apt-get install kdm

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darkwizard:

?

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directhex:

yes

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directhex:

you can cancel the gdm download (as long as it's on the download part, not the installing part) with ctrl-c

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directhex:

and do kdm instead

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smolyn:

hi everyone, anyone have experience with motorola HD tuners, firewire, and myth? I just hooked it up and it mostly works, but some channels make don't and cause the backend to spit out Invalid File Descriptor fd(-1). Any ideas?

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darkwizard:

Reading state information... Done

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darkwizard:

kdm is already the newest version.

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directhex:

darkwizard, odd. try "invoke-rc.d kdm start"

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darkwizard:

Starting K Display Manager: kdm already running.

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directhex:

hit ctrl-alt-f7

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darkwizard:

nothing

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darkwizard:

wierd as hell

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directhex:

have you considered an easier distribution like ubuntu? i'm not sure your experience level is well-suited to debian

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darkwizard:

i am a newbie

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darkwizard:

well i been working on this box since last month

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Yahooadam:

i would definetly reccomend ubuntu then

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darkwizard:

oct 2nd

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Yahooadam:

mmm

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darkwizard:

i gona get this one to work

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directhex:

i'm off to bed. try #debian

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ali1234:

lol

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directhex:

you're nowhere near needing mythtv help yet

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Yahooadam:

what have you done on the box thats taken a month darkwizard ...

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Yahooadam:

display manger is like step1

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ali1234:

debian netinst gives you almost nothing at all

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ali1234:

at least it did the last time i tried it

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darkwizard:

i have all done but display

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darkwizard:

myth all on

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ali1234:

how do you know any of it's working without display?

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ali1234:

btw if you only want to use the box as a frontend, you dont need a window manager or login manager or any of that stuff

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darkwizard:

all there ssh

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GreyFoxx:

in general we recommend to always use a minimal window manager

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GreyFoxx:

Avoid focus issues if you ever spawn anything external

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GreyFoxx:

be it mythvideo, mythgame, or whatever

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Yahooadam:

FluxBox maybe?

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ali1234:

fair point. you certainly dont need gnome or kde though

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GreyFoxx:

those are just resource pigs

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Yahooadam:

darkwizard said he had dual screen though

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GreyFoxx:

xfce, icewm, whatever

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Yahooadam:

what is he intending to do on the other screen ...

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GreyFoxx:

You know your lazy when you are torrenting an ISO of a install disk rather than just going to look for the real disk which you already have

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Yahooadam:

lol

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BenB:

hey

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kdubya:

HI

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justinh:

pity I can't torrent some cufflinks

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J-e-f-f-A-2:

J-e-f-f-A

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Yahooadam:

its 1am justinh – isnt it your bed time :p

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justinh:

nah off work til Tuesday

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justinh:

working on some ideas

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Yahooadam:

ahh, orite for some :p

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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Yahooadam:

well gnite then, enjoy your time off :p

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justinh:

going to London for the weekend though. Seeing 'Mama Mia' with the outlaws (fun!) then going to a wedding on saturday

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justinh:

:-\

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justinh:

night

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Yahooadam:

sounds like a blast ....

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justinh:

sounds like a blast to the head would be more fun

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justinh:

I hate London

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** Yahooadam stays quite as he wanted to study there ... :p **

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Yahooadam:

quiet #

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Yahooadam:

grrr

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Yahooadam:

then again, that was mainly because it was supposed to be one of the best uni's in the world for my course

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justinh:

it's a bad advertisement for tourists ;)

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mzb_d800:

well, that's got me confused: I've managed to get the Yuan UB300 to work .. BUT

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mzb_d800:

it doesn't react well (in either OS) to having a strong signal

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mzb_d800:

only likes to have the dodgy little stub aerial

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mzb_d800:

anybody noticed anything like this before with DVB tuners?

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ali1234:

i've heard of it but never seen it

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justinh:

mzb_d800: must take something to swamp a modern tuner

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... home-made aerial (digital VHF only), 99% strength on all #'s

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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mzb_d800:

all other tuners work fine ... two stb's and a Kworld USB2

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Yahooadam:

can get an I-Ram holder for £100

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Yahooadam:

interesting

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mzb_d800:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=79 (if you want to see the aerial I built)

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justinh:

I remember my visit to China. 10000000 Yuan was like 1.00 GBP

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justinh:

;)

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mzb_d800:

I have a 3-way splitter, and have tried all outputs, and also with the shortest lead + others unplugged

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justinh:

doesn't strike me as being one of the best named makes out there

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mzb_d800:

it *IS* the tuner afaict, not my aerial (in itself)

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justinh:

what BER etc does tzap report?

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justinh:

signal strength ain't the whole story by a long way

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mzb_d800:

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mzb_d800:

true

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mzb_d800:

on the other tuner:

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hgait:

has any one managed to get the s-video or Composite working on a WinTV-HVR-1300 ???

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mzb_d800:

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mzb_d800:

the problem with using the dodgy aerial (atm) is that the tuners are all under the house, so it's getting a signal through the metal garage door .... and is less than great

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mzb_d800:

I do plan to move the tuners upstairs (so I can use a Xen VM as the tuner backend) ... but that's another story

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justinh:

hgait: might work in the most recent kernels & hg tree of linuxtv

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mzb_d800:

(will have to test a lot first ... a lot more interference, and the computer room is at the back of the house)

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mzb_d800:

yeah, so 25% (on dodgy aerial) ... compared to 95% on Kworld

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mzb_d800:

or no lock at all on the "real" aerial

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mzb_d800:

starting to wish I had an inductive splitter ... perhaps it's an impedance issue?

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hgait:

i have most recent kernels and the dvb-t is working fine and mythtv can see the s-video and Composite when i try to use them it just a blank screen ?

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mzb_d800:

f59 male-male joiner would be the easiest way to test that, I guess ... hmmm

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mzb_d800:

hgait: not blue?

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justinh:

hgait: better asking in #linuxtv or something to be honest

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justinh:

and FWIW, don't use mythtv to test your tuner card

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hgait:

well its green

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hgait:

but yes ill try there thank you

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justinh:

make sure your card works _before_ going in there with mythtv

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justinh:

cos you'll never know what's to blame otherwise

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hgait:

ok is there a way to test it in linux

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mzb_d800:

xawtv

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mzb_d800:

err ...

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justinh:

the hvr1300 has an mpeg encoder onboard

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mzb_d800:

well, at least that's what I used for bt848 ... which probably doesn't apply

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justinh:

it's a lot like a pvr150 but with DVB

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mzb_d800:

I see

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hgait:

yep thats right

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bsdfox_:

what does NVP: prebuffering pause mean?

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bsdfox_:

data isn't downloaded fast enough?

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justinh:

means the playback engine can't keep up, or any one of lots of things

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justinh:

happens when the audio & video streams are thought to be out of sync & all sorts

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mzb_d800:

you might want to make sure you have realtime priority working, and disable "extras" like opengl

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mzb_d800:

having xvmc enabled (properly) might also make a bit of difference

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bsdfox_:

yeah load avg on the machine is 5.4 right now :D

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mzb_d800:

oops ;)

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bsdfox_:

stupid compiling :(

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BenB:

bsdfox_: how does the DVB interface look like on BSD?

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BenB:

same as on Linux?

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BenB:

what about drivers?

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BenB:

does BSD support DVB at all?

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justinh:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox . . . oogle+Search

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bsdfox_:

it sucks right now

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bsdfox_:

I am running gentoo on my mythtv setup

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justinh:

and then running mythtv on bsd isn't a bowl of easy either

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BenB:

justinh: funny. how comes I am looking at almost the URL right now? ;-P

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bsdfox_:

justinh: .20 doesn't compile on it

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justinh:

you've got to enjoy a 'challenge'

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justinh:

bsdfox_: yeah, so?

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justinh:

BSD != linux

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BenB:

justinh: well, BSD ~= Linux as far as apps are concerned :)

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justinh:

that may be the case but doesn't change the fact it's much easier to run mythtv on linux (and even possible!)

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BenB:

surprise :)

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justinh:

why not add more millstones round your neck by trying to run mythtv in a VM on a BSD box? :P

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hjohnson:

haha

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BenB:

justinh: was thinking of going that :)

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BenB:

linux -> Xen -> linux -> myhtv

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bsdfox_:

I want to get mythbackend working on a xen domU

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justinh:

or hey, run BSD in a VM on Vista, then run linux in a VM inside BSD

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bsdfox_:

yeah

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justinh:

like ickle fecking parallel universes

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BenB:

justinh: Xen can pass through a PCI card to the guest.

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justinh:

you crazy kids with your toys.. eeeee

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BenB:

heh

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BenB:

justinh: well, speaking of crazy and ... how dod you call it? ... collecting recordings:

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justinh:

so what if the host OS doesn't support the PCI device? what then?

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justinh:

can virtualisation get around that?

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BenB:

I stopped counting, but I have about 15 harddrives full of recordings.

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justinh:

file squirrels!

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BenB:

justinh: I like squirrels a lot! :)

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justinh:

so do I. not seen many since we got the dog though

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BenB:

just bought another 2 TB for new recordings.

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justinh:

I've only watched about 60 mins worth of TV this week

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justinh:

need to get on the case soon, my 500GB is looking a bit full

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BenB:

justinh: for me, it varies a lot. also *what* I like to see. that's why I record a lot, to be able to choose freely, when I want and what I want.

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justinh:

not bothering to catch up with Heroes will save me time

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BenB:

I am completely disconnected from the TV schedule. the idea of "catching up" to TV is foreign to me.

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justinh:

I mean, catch up before the shows expire

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BenB:

yes, I know, that's what I mean.... I don't let them expire, I add disks. if I realize after year, I that I don't watch CSI after all, I can delete it.

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BenB:

(typically I cap these shows on 10 recordings though, so I don't have all 600 or so episodes :) )

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justinh:

oh FFS. I put a CPU on ebay, now some clueless T*** has emailed me "hi will this work with my foobar doodah motherboard?". HOW THE HELL SHOULD I KNOW?!

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BenB:

heh

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BenB:

"please don't bid on my offer. it will save us both hassle. Thank you."

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RaYmAn-Bx:

those kind of questions always makes me wonder whether people are a) plain stupid b) ignorant 3) lazy

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RaYmAn-Bx:

(or d) all of the above)

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justinh:

http://www2.abit.com.tw/test-report/il-90mv.htm?1 says no

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justinh:

mucking foron

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BenB:

<rant>what's up with the mailmans these days (linuxtv.org in this case). I asked for subscription *hours* ago, both per web and mail, and have not gotten the confirmation mail yet.</rant>

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BenB:

RaYmAn-Bx: d)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

sadly, yes :(

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justinh:

though I can sympathise with him. I'm only selling it cos I bought it in error thinking it was a 'socket 479' cpu to go with my 'socket 479' board. hahahaha. Socket M & socket P – never the twain shall meet

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BenB:

RaYmAn-Bx: many of these are interconnected.

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BenB:

RaYmAn-Bx: if you're lazy and stupid, you'll be ignorant.

[01:51:03]

clop:

hi, i pushed some button and now i have closed captions — how do i turn them off?? :)

[01:51:06]

black_Nightmare_:

justinh..yeah thats the issue with the uttering core's -_-

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RaYmAn-Bx:

clop: push the button again!

[01:51:29]

clop:

i don't know which button it was! :(

[01:51:37]

BenB:

justinh: duh, I wasn't aware of that either. luckily, Socket A (AMD) situation is better.

[01:51:48]

BenB:

RaYmAn-Bx: lol

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justinh:

BenB: I heard their 64-bit cpus have been through a good few socket variants though

[01:52:10]

BenB:

clop: there's some button to get you the menu. (depends on your remote and config)

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justinh:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/keys.txt

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BenB:

justinh: yes, it was a mess in the beginning, but since Socket A (last year), things seem fairly stable.

[01:52:59]

justinh:

they all want a damn good slapping

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clop:

thanks !! it was the T key

[01:53:22]

pembo13_com:

it's taking me 3 to 4 tries to get watch TV in mythtv these days

[01:54:20]

pembo13_com:

i'm getting "MythSocket(88519b8:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected"

[01:54:32]

justinh:

at least abit have a cpu compatability list right there on the page. unlike AOpen with my board

[01:54:39]

black_Nightmare_:

hm someone remind me again what 3pin verus 4pin fan connector difference was again?

[01:54:44]

justinh:

pembo13_com: wireless?

[01:54:51]

bsdfox_:

black_Nightmare_: pwm

[01:54:55]

justinh:

black_Nightmare_: non-pwm vs pwm

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pembo13_com:

justinh, no..

[01:55:20]

pembo13_com:

justinh, only the database server is on a remote machine, on the same LAN

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black_Nightmare_:

hm so the third wire is always just an empty ground one then I presume?

[01:55:29]

bsdfox_:

pembo13_com: I was getting that for a while

[01:55:57]

pembo13_com:

bsdfox_, what was your resolution

[01:56:09]

bsdfox_:

no, yellow is signal, reports rpm

[01:56:24]

bsdfox_:

pembo13_com: 1440x900 and 640x480 :P

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pembo13_com:

i'm also finding mythtv taking up quite a bit of resources, seemingly more than before

[01:56:54]

_mre|666:

>memoserv< send stew you're a dumb fuckin powertripping asshole.

[01:56:54]

_mre|666:

-MemoServ- stew has reached the maximum memo limit, and cannot receive more

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_mre|666:

aww... too bad

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black_Nightmare_:

oh so wire 1&2 are power .. wire 3 to report rpm to the winbond/whatever chip .. wire4 for adjustable rpm control << did I presume right?

[01:57:17]

bsdfox_:

pembo13_com: what version are you running

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justinh:

black_Nightmare_: look it up

[01:57:50]

black_Nightmare_:

hm where? :p

[01:58:11]

bsdfox_:

black_Nightmare_: this from the guy that "found" $170 epia 15000g boards

[01:58:18]

pembo13_com:

bsdfox_, mythtv-backend-0.20.2–168

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justinh:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/keys.txt

[01:58:21]

justinh:

doh

[01:58:47]

justinh:

black_Nightmare_: http://www.overclock.net/other-hardware-mods/ . . . -wiring.html

[01:59:22]

bsdfox_:

Installed versions: 0.20.2_p14680

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justinh:

doh again. damnit

[02:00:06]

black_Nightmare_:

justinh..ah hmm interesting link..might have to tell someone at silentpcreview to link over to that

[02:00:23]

mzb:

bsdfox_: btw I have a mythbackend running in a domU

[02:00:43]

mzb:

it does all the commflagging and transcoding

[02:00:51]

mzb:

just adding a tuner to it now

[02:00:51]

bsdfox_:

mzb: no problems with the capture cards?

[02:00:58]

mzb:

not yet ;)

[02:01:05]

justinh:

black_Nightmare_: black = gnd, yellow = +12V, green = speed sense, blue = pwm

[02:01:21]

bsdfox_:

let me know how it goes :) I couldn't get it working with bt878 (all I tested with)

[02:01:23]

mzb:

I'm using USB2 atm ... once I get it working I'll be moving a BT848 into the server as well

[02:01:28]

justinh:

pins 1, 2, 3 & 4 respectively black_Nightmare_

[02:01:42]

black_Nightmare_:

yeah I noticed that now..thanks justinh

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black_Nightmare_:

hm I presume the 4-pin connector would still happily just slot into a motherboard with only 3-pin's or I'll have to get the 3-pin fan if I just want a no-hastle straight plug?

[02:02:34]

black_Nightmare_:

(its the same cost for 3 or 4pin from this store anyway)

[02:03:13]

justinh:

black_Nightmare_: yeah the default is if there's nothing on the PWM pin, full speed ahoy

[02:04:13]

black_Nightmare_:

heh nah I meant physically..the connecotr

[02:05:22]

evilint:

does anyone know why my MythDora4.0 Disk 1 gives me a boot error

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justinh:

black_Nightmare_: yeah it'll fit. standard Molex KK

[02:05:34]

evilint:

Disk error 32, AX = 42A6, drive 9F

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black_Nightmare_:

hm ok...thanks

[02:05:49]

black_Nightmare_:

I'll make a note to order the 4pin version anyhow

[02:06:07]

_mre|666:

anybody here read Hacking MythTv?

[02:06:15]

_mre|666:

wondering if it's any good

[02:06:22]

black_Nightmare_:

papst 80x80x25mm quiet computer fan with 4-pin connector << thats what its named from store

[02:06:34]

_mre|666:

i got it for $5, can't see how it's a bad deal... heh

[02:06:37]

black_Nightmare_:

should be fun to replace with that quiet fan in my single pc :p

[02:07:44]

mzb:

bsdfox_: usb tuner seems to work from xen vm

[02:08:05]

mzb:

(reception still a problem, though)

[02:09:04]

mzb:

heh ... cpu usage during capture == 0% :)))

[02:09:11]

mzb:

that's what I like to see ;)

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mzb:

(spikes to 1% about every 20–30 secs)

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bsdfox_:

:)

[02:10:38]

mzb:

definitely got to try the bt card today :) ... finished off the 2nd IR receiver previously, so now it's not required in loungetv

[02:10:47]

mzb:

(it was only there for the IR)

[02:11:00]

mzb:

now I might be able to do something useful with it ... we'll see

[02:11:34]

mzb:

I've been given an stb recently which doesn't respond to IR ... but tunes ok (to only one #)

[02:12:14]

mzb:

I've tried shocking into submission (earthing various pins while on;) without success (that's right ... can't even kill it!!:)

[02:12:16]

mzb:

might see what I can do with the serial interface

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mzb:

but at the worst, I can have framegrabber for TDT only

[02:13:17]

mzb:

remains to be seen if the FE's will be able to play it :)

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black_Nightmare_:

sometimes I keep wondering about watercooling just for humors but .. BLAH :p

[02:22:24]

black_Nightmare_:

going stick to air cooling for now

[02:22:47]

feiner:

watercooling can be used for more than just overclocking

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bsdfox_:

mzb: what xen version are you running? I couldn't get my pci backend working right

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mzb:

xen3

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feiner:

like if you had some servers running somewhere and didnt want them to heat up your house and raise the ac bill could set something up to pump water outside, but wouldn't be worth it probably unless you had at least 2 computers you could do that to, maybe more

[02:25:08]

black_Nightmare_:

true...I was wondering about the idea once (still have it in brain anyway heh) .. aquatic pump (the type for larger home aquatics maybe?) then put a hose to something on the cpu heatsink .. then another hose over to the critical components in the psu circuit then finally heading to a simple small salvaged radiator of some sort then back to the pump itself

[02:25:30]

bsdfox_:

with or without hvm?

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mzb:

w/o

[02:25:47]

mzb:

Sempron 3400+ (in 32 bit)

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black_Nightmare_:

the cpu probably wouldn't need much at only like up to 22W-ish maximum tdp .. but the psu might heat up the water a bit anyhow

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bsdfox_:

TDP != power consumption

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mzb:

hmm ~2% better signal on the kworld aerial

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feiner:

radiators aren't what most people use, they use heatercores

[02:28:11]

mzb:

worse if combined (20%)

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bsdfox_:

you can passively cool 22W with a big heatsink :P

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feiner:

unless you were gonna do like i said with more than one computer

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black_Nightmare_:

feiner...when I think about my idea involving the aquatic pump I still think it would be too amusing to pull it off and only leaving the radiator and pump visible and let them ask just what the hell they are for till I open the case side :))

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black_Nightmare_:

feinir...hm I'm not quite sure where I could get my hand on some nice heater cores .. but I guess I always could try nevertheless

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mzb:

time to experiment

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feiner:

heatercores are mini radiators from inside the car when you turn on the heat, get them same place you get car radiators

[02:29:42]

feiner:

ie junkyard

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black_Nightmare_:

bsdfox_ .. its old slot1 and there isn't really much weight you can hang off there (less for safety when the system is being moved around on less-than-smooth roads from time to time too)

[02:30:17]

bsdfox_:

I got a xeon heatsink for my p2–450 slot1

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bsdfox_:

passive runs @ room temp

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black_Nightmare_:

feiner...hm...I think I recall seeing 'for parts' cars from time to time...maybe I'll see if there's still some going on and see if the heater core would still be intact yet :p

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feiner:

junkyards a better bet for a cheap one, or autoparts store and get a replacement one for some car

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black_Nightmare_:

heh ok

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black_Nightmare_:

well what you think of an aquatic pump tho? I know they seem to go for quite cheap from time to time..sometimes just because someone had been keeping a large tank then didn't want to have to move the thing with them

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justinh:

water cooling always strikes me as being fine til it goes wrong

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justinh:

I spose if you're not mad about UV case lighting there's less risk of tubes ageing prematurely ;)

[02:35:15]

black_Nightmare_:

heh true...but then of course..well done hoses and clamps rarely ever make any problems ;)

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bsdfox_:

black_Nightmare_: water cooling is basically only good for quiet cooling, and aquarium pumps are normally really loud

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black_Nightmare_:

well most of the pumps are meant to be submerged into their own water (which I guess could be pulled off with no problem by a sealed enclosed box with one in and one out hose connectors) .. haven't really seen much of dry ones to know what they even sound like

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black_Nightmare_:

but anyway...going off for now till tomorrow...still got more things to do around here >_<

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grndslm:

there's no way to "undelete" a recording you just deleted is there?

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grndslm:

...it was an accident =-/

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grndslm:

it's like second nature

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justinh:

nope. unless you're using SVN trunk & have enabled the 'don't really delete stuff just hide it & eventually let it expire' feature

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grndslm:

well, seems like i need to be usin' svn trunk then

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grndslm:

i accidentally delete stuff too many times

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mzb:

34%

[03:13:25]

mzb:

still not good enough

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iamlindoro:

Hrm, anyone else running trunk find that when they add a new file type in MythVideo, whatever the LAST one they entered is ignored? If will show up as a file type, then you leave that menu , go back in, and it will be gone. Enter TWO, and one will be saved. Enter three, and two will, and so on.

[03:21:09]

iamlindoro:

ie I went in and added EVO. Click "Done," Re-enter menu, and EVO is missing. Added EVO, then added .dummy... left, went back in, EVO was there, .dummy was missing.

[03:21:38]

iamlindoro:

If someone else can confirm, I'll file a bug. If not... well, maybe I'll still file a bug. :)

[03:22:46]

iamlindoro:

This is on 14821

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H00chster:

just tested iamlindoro and it kept mine, I am running 14850 of trunk

[03:24:23]

iamlindoro:

Hrm, ok. Maybe I ought to update again. Strange.

[03:24:45]

iamlindoro:

Better do it before the Office starts. :)

[03:24:51]

H00chster:

just thought I would confirm it for ya heh

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iamlindoro:

No, definitely appreciate it.

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H00chster:

np

[03:26:10]

iamlindoro:

I'll give it another shop after an svn up, and if it's still there, I'll file a bug, maybe it's conditional on something else

[03:26:14]

iamlindoro:

er another shot

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iamlindoro:

Hrm, what does 14879 "M" Designate.... did Multirec get merged?

[03:45:17]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: M means the file was merged with your local changes

[03:45:48]

iamlindoro:

Ah. Hmm... Now to remember what the heck I did.

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: svn diff filewithM

[03:46:15]

iamlindoro:

Ah, no, I know what I did. Adjusted contrib scripts for my system

[03:46:26]

iamlindoro:

Thanks :)

[03:47:27]

iamlindoro:

Lots of sexy new changes lately. Definitely worth keeping my svn up to date

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mzb:

hmm ... removed tuner from it's case ... signal strength around 65% (on stub aerial) ... go figure :)

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mzb:

err ... scratch that ... no lock

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levander:

Is Component TV Out just something that's very iffy with the nvidia driver?

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Tanthrix:

levander: Not to my knowledge. I don't think anything else does component better. From what I can gather the real problems are with the sets who improperly overscan and such.

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tecdude:

Is there any way to use mythtv with a bittorrent client to download shows?

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cesman:

tecdude: discussion of such items in the channel are prohibited

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feiner:

tecdude: thats not the point of mythtv, tvrss is one application i know of that reads rss feeds to download new tv shows

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tecdude:

cesman: okay, sorry

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cesman:

no didn't know, that is fine

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cesman:

please don't make it a habit :)

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tecdude:

nope, I have no need to go against channel guidelines :)

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sinthetek:

i just noticed my livetv group filter seems to have disappeared... did that change or does anyone know how to get it back or anything?

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BenB:

whoohoo, DVB-S2 HD recording works in my app

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sinthetek:

i was watching it's always sunny and hit record but the stupid channel was a few sec off and it stopped recording before i saw the end...

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sinthetek:

i used to have been able to hit 'm' for menu and goto 'change group filter->livetv' but now it only shows 'default' group

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sinthetek:

and then the categories and 'all programs'

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sinthetek:

would the live tv recordings be stored in 'all programs' now or something?

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sinthetek:

...kinda in a hurry because if memory servees, that particular livetv recording will soon be deleted due to current recordings

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BenB:

sinthetek: isn't there a preference for which group is live-tv?

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BenB:

or "show live-tv" preference?

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sinthetek:

in the setup/settings?

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sinthetek:

there isn't one in the watch recordings 'm'-menu

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BenB:

sinthetek: no idea. I'd first look in the GUI, then in DB.

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BenB:

sinthetek: GUI = settings, yes

[06:00:34]

BenB:

sinthetek: for a quick fix of one particular recording, you can hack the DB (recorded table), change rec_group and expire fields.

[06:04:50]

mzb:

sinthetek: perhaps your hostname has changed?

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sinthetek:

i think actually the table holding some of the settings was corrupted a bit yesterday...

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Aval0n:

hey guys, I'm using the mythtv internal player for DVD and about 50% of the time I get spanish audio

[06:09:58]

Aval0n:

even if I go to audio and select english 5.1

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Aval0n:

heh

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Aval0n:

anyone see that before?

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sinthetek:

i was playing around with migragting mysql tables to another host and access them with nfs

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sinthetek:

i thought i fixed it since most settings came back but maybe not

[06:11:12]

sinthetek:

(or maybe upgrade changed it somehow)

[06:11:26]

sinthetek:

anyway, i just had to go into settings and set the option like you said

[06:12:12]

sinthetek:

i didn't even realize there was an option for it... i figured it was just there by default but deletable/recreatable..

[06:12:35]

sinthetek:

anyway, thanks for your help. i shoulda known to try that first

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cesman:

http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=19

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eth0x:

Hi all. I have two tuners. On tuner 1 i have channels A, B, C & D. On tuner 2 i have channels A, B, C, D, E & F. I like tuner 1 to be the default tuner, as it already is, as it changes channels faster than tuner 2. However when watching a channel on tuner 1, When I use the EPG i can see all channels regardless of the current tuner. but when scrolling through channels (non-EPG) using ch+ and ch-, i cannot see channels on tuner2 (E &

[06:48:48]

eth0x:

F). Is there a way so that if i am watching a livetv channel on tuner1 that when using CH+ and CH- I can view channels on all tuners?

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cesman:

none I'm aware of...

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cesman:

you have to use the menu to see all channels

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eth0x:

Hmmm...ok. just one of those minor annoyances

[06:51:11]

eth0x:

Another question, I have both CH+ and CH- on my remote, in addition to Up and Down keys on a diamond. Is there a way to configure it such that CH+ and CH- change the channel immediately, and Up and Down scroll through the list of channels but requiring "OK" to change?

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cesman:

If you are annoyed enough, the source is open ;)

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eth0x:

I know that both ways are possible..just not sure if it is possible at the same time..

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klpt:

anybody awake in here know their window manager problems?

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BenB:

klpt: please rephrase the question

[07:25:00]

klpt:

haha, let me be more specific about my particular problem

[07:25:10]

klpt:

i have mythfrontend starting via .xinitrc

[07:25:13]

klpt:

as well as fluxbox

[07:25:24]

klpt:

mythfrontend starts, but is never allocated a window and so it doesn't display in the gui

[07:25:39]

klpt:

it exists in the process list, and seems to run happily, but it never displays

[07:26:04]

BenB:

DISPLAY env var correct?

[07:26:50]

BenB:

can you get at mythfrontend's console output? it probably tells you what's wrong. unless indeed the window opens, but fluxbox decides not to show it.

[07:27:44]

BenB:

but first try export DISPLAY=:0

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klpt:

any thoughts?

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klpt:

ah, there it goes

[07:35:49]

klpt:

fluxbox decides not to show it

[07:35:53]

klpt:

the console output is fully normal

[07:36:08]

klpt:

but the behavior is common to many window managers

[07:36:13]

klpt:

i tried enlightenment and ratpoison

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klpt:

i can start it normally and the window shows

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Tanthrix:

klpt: You might just try adding mythfrontend to your fluxbox conf file – somewhere in there you can set commands to run at start

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klpt:

if i start it from a console after it starts

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klpt:

i also tried it in ~/.fluxbox/startup

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Tanthrix:

kltp: It's under ~/.fluxbox/init under "session.screenX.rootCommand: " where X is the screen that you want it to run on for me

[07:37:54]

Tanthrix:

I run quite a few things with that

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klpt:

hmm. i'll give it a try... but i don't know why this died

[07:38:59]

klpt:

i updated from 0.20 to 0.20.2 and this stopped working

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Tanthrix:

klpt: If that still doesn't work, you could use the rootcommand to run a console which then starts myth, like "rxvt -e mythbackend"

[07:41:43]

klpt:

err, mythfrontend, but yeah... maybe...? i just don't know what it stopped working the way it was supposed to. clearly the process is still running

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Tanthrix:

klpt: It is weird, but if one of those above techniques makes it work just fine I wouldn't worry about it. Weird bugs happen.

[07:43:29]

klpt:

I tried the session.screen0.rootCommand: /usr/bin/mythfrontend

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klpt:

and I have the exact same symptoms

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klpt:

process runs

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klpt:

log looks happy

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klpt:

but no window

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Tanthrix:

Try doing "rxvt -e mythfrontend" instead and see if that works.

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Tanthrix:

If that does the same thing then you know something else is causing the problem since you should at least get rxvt to open then.

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Tanthrix:

(And er, make sure you have rxvt installed first)

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** cesman ponders why start the frontend from xinitrc when fluxbox can launch it... **

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klpt:

i have the unicode version of rxvt

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Tanthrix:

cesman: He just tried that, same problem.

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klpt:

so yeah... i'm just a little confused why the window doesn't draw. I'll try running rxvt and seeing what happens

[07:48:32]

klpt:

interesting, that doesn't work

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Tanthrix:

Do you see rxvt and no myth, or nothing at all?

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klpt:

rxvt did not launch

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Tanthrix:

Did not launch, or did not draw?

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klpt:

appears not to have launched

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klpt:

also

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klpt:

when i launch mythfrontend

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klpt:

using the rxvt launch command

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klpt:

from within rxvt

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klpt:

a new rxvt window launches

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klpt:

and it hangs on using the qt painter in the log

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Tanthrix:

Something is seriously wonky with your system.

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klpt:

i'm starting to get that impression

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justinh:

wtf? item I was selling on ebay has just vanished

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Tanthrix:

That's weird. Maybe they're having database issues.

[08:05:12]

justinh:

oh, it's sold at my buy it now price, but I can't send an invoice

[08:05:24]

justinh:

it's not in my sold items list

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Tanthrix:

Have you tried going to the original page, or using the e-mail link that you were sent upon completion?

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justinh:

original item page produces an error

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anykey_:

justinh: is there a theme-guideline/howto somewhere? I'd like to try something on my own =)

[08:18:38]

justinh:

thanks for the kick in the nuts :P

[08:18:46]

justinh:

but yes, in the wiki

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justinh:

see the themes section

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anykey_:

hm ok, I just hope that myth is capable of what I want to try :)

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anykey_:

something like http://www.tv.bluewin.ch/de/funktion/tvguide.php would be what I want ;)

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justinh:

anykey_: with the video behind it? no way no way

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anykey_:

no the video is not necessary

[08:25:19]

justinh:

I've tried to create a more minimum view like that but it's not possible

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anykey_:

What I really hate is the colors of the EPG, they are too bright and mess up with all the themes. Can they be darken somehow by a theme?

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justinh:

you can easily change them. I've considered that too

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justinh:

see <categorycolor> (IIRC) in ui.xml

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anykey_:

Ok

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stuarta:

morning campers

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anykey_:

seems like a lot of work, but hey ;-)

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justinh:

morning stuarta

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stuarta:

how are we this fine morning?

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justinh:

sold the CPU I bought in 'error' the other day for more than I got it for but there's a problem

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Dibblah:

You can't find it?

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stuarta:

dog ate it?

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justinh:

ebay ate it

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stuarta:

huh?

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justinh:

somebody bought it on buy it now. I have the emails from them about it, went to send the invoice but the item no longer exists on ebay

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justinh:

wooo it's back!

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justinh:

what the effinelle?!

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cesman:

justinh: I guess that means ebay doesn't want thier cut ;)

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stuarta:

hey cesman, long time no see

[08:51:38]

stuarta:

justinh: probably their servers are out of sync

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justinh:

hmm can I send it quicker for less than £10 from the UK. hahaha.

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justinh:

Italians always want delivery last week IME

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SiD3WiNDR:

italians are gay, at lest on irc and on ebay.

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** SiD3WiNDR has "will not ship to italy" on every ebay auction **

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** justinh is considering that in future **

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justinh:

oh FFS now paypal are saying the payment I made for the other CPU I won is uncleared

[09:03:07]

justinh:

so I spose I won't be receiving that item today then :(

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stuarta:

poo

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justinh:

!trout Ebay&PayPal theiving,clueless

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** MythLogBot slaps Ebay&PayPal with a theiving,clueless trout on behalf of justinh... **

[09:04:22]

justinh:

"payment is pending"

[09:05:36]

justinh:

err.. where has the option to bung money into a paypal account with a card gone?

[09:07:41]

justinh:

"Expected Clearing Date: 23 Nov. 2007". OH FUCK OFF

[09:08:21]

justinh:

no way to cancel it or find out wtf has gone wrong

[09:10:27]

justinh:

that's it then. no more using ebay or paypal

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Tanthrix:

justinh: That usually has to do with your bank account, not paypal. It takes a decent amount of time to transfer money from a checking account, no matter what is doing the transferring.

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justinh:

argghhhh that's rubbish then. pardon me but isn't this the 21st century?

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Tanthrix:

Go complain to your bank then. Far as I know that's standard though.

[09:12:08]

justinh:

where 'money is wired instantaneously at the speed of light, yada yada'

[09:12:09]

Tanthrix:

Mine takes about 5 days to clear.

[09:12:52]

justinh:

clear. pfft. more like hang onto it while we make some more interest, you mug

[09:13:56]

Tanthrix:

It's not like there is some magical bank network that all the millions of banks in the US and the rest of the world are tapped into. Maybe someday, but not quite yet. And if I recall correctly the patriot act has made things a bit more complicated

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Tanthrix:

Or some such anti-terrorism thing.

[09:14:22]

justinh:

serves me right for not having a card attached to my account I suppose

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

That is faster, generally.

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justinh:

like INSTANT

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Tanthrix:

Or keep some money in your paypal account. But I don't think that's the best idea in the world, considering paypal isn't a bank.

[09:15:10]

justinh:

sellers can lose interest if they don't receive payment quickly. I know I do

[09:16:07]

Tanthrix:

Lose interest on a $50–500 ebay purchase over a few days? You must be really hurting for 1/64 of a cent ;)

[09:16:41]

justinh:

I mean lose interest, not _interest_ ;)

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Tanthrix:

Oh, hehe

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stuarta:

banks gave up paying _interest_ a long time ago

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justinh:

I mean not be in any hurry to ship stuff

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Tanthrix:

Ebay is a lot of work. Packaging, weighing, measuring, and dropping off can be decently time consuming.

[09:17:56]

justinh:

ach well, mr italian has lost his window of opportunity to have his item shipped before Monday

[09:18:18]

justinh:

so much for wanting it Pronto Pronto!

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justinh:

just be my luck the cpu, motherboard or ram will be faulty when I get it all together

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justinh:

ah well. try to forget all about it. out of my hands

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anykey_:

Where are the category names stored? My grabber provides several that are not showing up in mythweb. Is this a fixed list?

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stuarta:

yes it is fixed, or preallocated if you prefer

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anykey_:

in the code or in the settings?

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stuarta:

firstly, does it show up okay in the frontend?

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anykey_:

I don't think so, but I can't confirm for sure right now

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anykey_:

but what I know is that a SELECT DISTINCT category FROM program displays the categories I want

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stuarta:

that just means the grabber has successfully fed the data in

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anykey_:

I'm asking because I've looked through the themes and saw qtlook.txt lines like "str Cat_Comedy". Does this mean it's stored in the code?

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stuarta:

yes

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anykey_:

hm ok

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Dibblah:

Ho ho ho. Gentoo defaults to compiling arts with no mp3 / ogg support.

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Dibblah:

So, the "Test audio" button... Does nothing.

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Dibblah:

No error messages without fiddling, so no assistance in diagnostics. Thanks therefore also goes to the arts guys :(

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BULLE:

Dibblah: pretty darn silly to not include ogg support per default, as its a free format

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Aintaer:

Okay after four hours of failed setup

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Aintaer:

Can somebody help me with getting MythTV to display the Composite in channel on a generic philips7134 card?

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purserj:

sigh

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purserj:

okay, I was attempting to build a dvd via myth archive when my box shut itself down, now mytharchive seems to be locked in archiving mode, is there anyway to manually stop it?

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Andycasss:

How do i give access to mysql databases to my mythtv user?

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Andycasss:

It says that the mythtv@localhost doesnt have the privilegs

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stuarta:

i'm sure that's in the documentation

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Andycasss:

couldnt find

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purserj:

Andycasss: in your mysql console type the following: grant all privileges to 'mysql'@'localhost' identified by '[INSERT PASSWORD]'

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purserj:

gah

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purserj:

Andycasss: in your mysql console type the following: grant all privileges on [YOURDATABASE].* to 'mysql'@'localhost' identified by '[INSERT PASSWORD]'

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Andycasss:

Thank you, ill try it

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Andycasss:

purserj: I tried this in just terminal and in mysql, neither gave effect. In terminal it said unknown command, in mysql it just sits there with "->"

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Andycasss:

What did I do wrong?

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purserj:

ah add a ; at the end of the command in the mysql console

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Andycasss:

Got "Quero OK, 0 rows affected"

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Andycasss:

Query*

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purserj:

right now run "flush privileges;"

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Andycasss:

still getting access denied for user mythtv@localhost, can I see the privileges somewhere in mysql?

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purserj:

okay have you actually set the password for the database?

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jduggan:

erm, the grant statement purserj has provided is for 'mysql' user, you might want to change that to mythtv...

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purserj:

ah feckle

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purserj:

sorry

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Andycasss:

I did change that

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arod:

which would you recommend between hauppauge wintv-nova-t-usb and wintv-nova-t-usb2?

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_mre|666:

i thought USB PVRs didn't work in myth

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Andycasss:

I used this command "grant all privileges on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' identified by 'xxx'"

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_mre|666:

atleast i thought that's what i read the other day on mythtv.org

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directhex|bsp:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB_Devices

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directhex|bsp:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_U . . . -NOVA-T_usb2

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directhex|bsp:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_U . . . VB-T_devices

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arod:

wintv-nova-t-usb isn't listed. I assume wintv-nova-t-usb2 would work

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_mre|666:

andy: i just run myth as sudo root

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_mre|666:

got tired of fucking around with permissions and privledges

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directhex|bsp:

the regular nova-t is a DiB0700 USB2.0 DVB-T device

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_mre|666:

although that idea about the SQL db is a good one

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Andycasss:

doesnt root have to be in mythtv groups then?

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_mre|666:

it should be by default

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Andycasss:

The mythbackend keeps asking for mythtv@localhost, i cant even get in with root

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stuarta:

Andycasss: i bet you are running ubuntu!

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Andycasss:

Yes

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arod:

I'm planning to test mythtv on old hardware. Shuld I look for dvb-t receivers with integrated mpeg encoding (like analog models) or cpu load is low anyway because of digital transmission?

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Andycasss:

stuarta: how did you guess?

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stuarta:

ah the old set a random mysql root password and don't tell anyone trick

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Andycasss:

Oh.. Do you know how to fix it?

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stuarta:

not specifically.

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stuarta:

but some digging around in /etc

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arod:

As an alternative I could buy a wintv-pvr-usb2 analog receiver. Is analog setup easier?

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Andycasss:

I can log in to mysql with root fine, its just that the mythbackend wants mythtv to log in to mysql (if i understand correctly) and it doesnt have the permissions

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Andycasss:

I cant log in to mysql with my mythtv user and pass

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stuarta:

mysql.txt files

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stuarta:

goes in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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feiner:

actually delete all the mysql.txt files cause if other ones exist they can confuse mythtv, let it make them when you start it and set the settings the first time

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directhex|bsp:

stuarta, it tells you via a large popup window. people just ignore things like that for being boring

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Andycasss:

If only I could find this ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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directhex|bsp:

/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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Andycasss:

I found something under etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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stuarta:

~ = home directory

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stuarta:

so if you run the backend as myth

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Andycasss:

Ok i can see the DBPass

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feiner:

there might be one in each users home dir and roots home dir

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stuarta:

then it goes in /home/myth/.mythtv/mysql

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_mre|666:

well

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_mre|666:

that would make sense

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_mre|666:

i run Debian

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_mre|666:

and i had a slew of permissions issues

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_mre|666:

got tired of fucking with it, so i just run it sudo root

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_mre|666:

works perfect

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_mre|666:

it's just the backend and the frontend

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Andycasss:

Anyway, Should i change the dbpass?

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Andycasss:

Ok, so it still says access denied for user mythtv@localhost . I tried entering the login pass and the mysql pass... im so confused

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_mre|666:

yeah, you're just pissing in the wind dude

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_mre|666:

so what's the best os to run mythtv as a frontend?

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_mre|666:

knoppix?

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stuarta:

Andycasss: lets start simple

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stuarta:

can you login to mysql as mysql -u myth -p mythconverg

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_mre|666:

i remember going through what andy is, it drove me batty

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stuarta:

assuming your myth database is mythconverg and the user you setup was myth

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stuarta:

it's simple

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Andycasss:

No I cant

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stuarta:

right lets fix that.

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stuarta:

go back into mysql as root and lets sort out the grant

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_mre|666:

i noticed something while installing my mythfrontend... debian and i'd assume ubuntu as well, screws up all that

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Andycasss:

ok im in as root

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stuarta:

!trout ubuntu mysql password changing

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** MythLogBot slaps ubuntu with a mysql password changing trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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directhex|bsp:

the defaults work. things only break if you twat about with it

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Andycasss:

grant all privileges on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' identified by 'pass' ?

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_mre|666:

if you install as root too, it saves everything to the root profile

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stuarta:

Andycasss: yup

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ifvoid:

hi

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ifvoid:

I have a weird problem with a dual-LNB setup

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ifvoid:

I can scan channels on both LNBs fine with mythtv-setup

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Andycasss:

just to be sure, the "identified by 'pass'" is my login pass, right?

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ifvoid:

but when I try to record anything from the second LBN, nothing is started

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Andycasss:

or my mysql db pass??

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stuarta:

it's the password you are assigning to the mythtv user for access to mysql

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Andycasss:

right..

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stuarta:

it's independent of your login password

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Andycasss:

ok i assigned it

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Andycasss:

now flush it?

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stuarta:

yup.

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arod:

directhex|bsp: last question: with old hardware (athlon 800) should I go analog with wintv-pvr-usb2 or digital wintv-nova-t-usb2? afaik both are supported.

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_mre|666:

andy: tell me if this works for you

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Andycasss:

ok done..

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_mre|666:

because if it does, i'm going to try it on my mythbox

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stuarta:

right back to the prompt.

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directhex|bsp:

arod, always use digital if you can, especially on old kit

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Andycasss:

ok

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stuarta:

and mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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stuarta:

see if it'll let you in

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Andycasss:

heeey, it worked

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_mre|666:

stuarta: that's with running the backend as root, right?

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_mre|666:

damn

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arod:

directhex|bsp: even if analog pvr model has hardware mpeg2 encoding?

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_mre|666:

ok... time to scroll back

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_mre|666:

heh

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stuarta:

_mre|666: not relevant at this time.

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directhex|bsp:

arod, why on earth would you want analog given the choice?

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stuarta:

Andycasss: so now you need to setup ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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arod:

directhex|bsp: because of hw encoding and because here in italy not all channel are transmitted as dvb-t

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directhex|bsp:

arod, digital is already hardware encoded

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Andycasss:

stuarta: Ok, i got it open

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directhex|bsp:

arod, all the tuner does is capoture mpeg2 out of the sky and store it on disk. it uses zero cpu

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Andycasss:

stuarta: "/home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt"

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stuarta:

sounds good.

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stuarta:

you need to set DBHostName=localhost

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stuarta:

Andycasss: so now you need to setup ~/.mythtv/mysql.txtDBUserName=mythtv

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_mre|666:

stuarta: i'm copying pasting what you're telling him

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_mre|666:

so i can try this in the other room

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stuarta:

dagnmit cut n paste...

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stuarta:

DBUserName=mythtv

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_mre|666:

can't cut from xchat, silly

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_mre|666:

heh

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arod:

directhex|bsp: thanks for helping me choose. I'll go with nova-t usb2 (which is also cheaper)

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stuarta:

DBPassword=<mypasswordhere>

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stuarta:

DBName=mythconverg

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stuarta:

DBType=QMYSQL3

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Andycasss:

Ok, done =)

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stuarta:

that's it.

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_mre|666:

stuarta: nice

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_mre|666:

will this work under any user?

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_mre|666:

probably independant of permissions

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Andycasss:

Nice, its launching backend :)

[13:52:30]

stuarta:

each user that wants access to myth should have that same file in their home dir

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stuarta:

ie. ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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stuarta:

:)

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_mre|666:

cool

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_mre|666:

now it's my turn to go try it

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_mre|666:

heh

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stuarta:

told you it's simple :)

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_mre|666:

simple for you rocket scientists :P

[13:53:47]

stuarta:

is it just that initially it's not obvious that mysql has it's own set of usernames/passwords

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stuarta:

??

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seth|web:

anyone here shareing their myth folders with a samba windows client

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Andycasss:

Ohh, but the backend still doesnt want to start, its just sitting there with "AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Required Free Space: 1.0 GB w/freq: 10 min"

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directhex|bsp:

~/.mythtv/mysql.txt is copied from /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt, so if the latter is fine, and you don't have your own override already, then it should justwork

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_mre|666:

hmm

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_mre|666:

i can't login mysql -u myth -p mythconverg

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_mre|666:

atleast as a regular user

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_mre|666:

stuarta: should i be trying as root?

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Andycasss:

Does mythbackend start automatically when i reboot?

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stuarta:

try -u mythtv

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Andycasss:

Or should i set it somewhere?

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stuarta:

Andycasss: depends if there's an init script for it

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_mre|666:

keep getting access denied errors

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_mre|666:

doesn't like the password

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stuarta:

so now go back and log into mysql as root and set the passwd for mythtv

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stuarta:

just like Andycasss has just done

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Andycasss:

stuarta: Ok, i got in to the front end, when i tried leaving the settings/general it told me "could not connect to the master backend server — is it running? Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?"

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stuarta:

you didn't put in a hostname did you?

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Andycasss:

i used localhost as you said

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Andycasss:

And in terminal it says that frontend tried connecting to "127.0.0.1:6543"

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stuarta:

localhost while = 127.0.0.1 isn't an IP address it's a hostname

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stuarta:

k

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Andycasss:

my backend is running

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stuarta:

netstat -tanp | grep mythbackend

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Andycasss:

stuarta: this didnt do anything, sorry

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stuarta:

ergo the backend isn't running

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Andycasss:

hmm

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_mre|666:

ok

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_mre|666:

i see what andy was trying to do

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_mre|666:

and it's not exactly what my concern was

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_mre|666:

but you helped me fix my issue stuarta

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stuarta:

:)

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_mre|666:

now i have the frontend running as a regular user, and just mysql running as root

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_mre|666:

which is how it should be

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_mre|666:

hostname should be localhost, andy

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_mre|666:

or 127.0.0.1

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_mre|666:

how would you start the backend automatically on boot?

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_mre|666:

any ideas?

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_mre|666:

i thinki remember hearing a crontab is a bad idea

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Andycasss:

It used to launch it when i had the deb

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Andycasss:

now im experimenting with svn for iptv

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_mre|666:

is there any security risks using root in mysql as opposed to a regular user?

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stuarta:

init scripts

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stuarta:

of course

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_mre|666:

how would i create another user in sql?

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stuarta:

read up to the grant all ..... stuff

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_mre|666:

and would it have access to everything else

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_mre|666:

to the db i've created?

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_mre|666:

don't want to have start over

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stuarta:

what's the point of creating another user with all access rights just like root?

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_mre|666:

well... i guess it should

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_mre|666:

noo... i mean, access to the recordings...

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Andycasss:

How should I compile the plugins? "./configure --prefix=/usr/local" and then just" make" "sudo checkinstall"?

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stuarta:

mysql user's have no relation to access to your recordings

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_mre|666:

i just don't want to screw anything up i've setup

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stuarta:

Andycasss: pretty much

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_mre|666:

ok... good

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_mre|666:

stuarta: but then again, would mythfilldatabase run as root still?

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_mre|666:

2 sets of permissions making this a bit confusing

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_mre|666:

heh

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_mre|666:

i'm going to play with it after jerry

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_mre|666:

myth is recording atm

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_mre|666:

and it seems i have to set permissions on my share

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_mre|666:

i could of swore i did that

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Andycasss:

Hmm i cant install mythmusic because i dont have libtag-1.4, tho I have libtag-2.0-cli

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dr_lulz:

do you have the headers? might be some -dev package

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Andycasss:

Sorry, headers?

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dr_lulz:

have a look if there is some -dev package

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Andycasss:

Oh

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Andycasss:

Yup, i was missing libtag1-dev

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dr_lulz:

:)

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stuarta:

there's almost always a -dev package (or -devel for rpm distros)

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directhex|bsp:

-cli is a .net package

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directhex|bsp:

that package was probably pulled in for Banshee

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stuarta:

next time i feel like a bit of self flagellation i'll install mono and start writing .net webservicse

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directhex|bsp:

.net is pleasant compared to many of the alternat8ives

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directhex|bsp:

and banshee indeed depends on libtaglib2.0-cil

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savageone:

howdie folks

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savageone:

we're looking into making a new mythbox for my house

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** stuarta m00's **

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savageone:

and I'm looking for a decent barebones or just a chassis that at least looks CLOSE to a set top box and will accomodate 3 or more hard disks for a raid array

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savageone:

I just figured I'd ask in case anyone had recommendations, asus has some nice stuff

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siXy:

savageone: look at silverstone ahanix and origenae cases

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siXy:

http://www.silverstonetek.com/ http://www.origenae.com/ http://www.ahanix.com/

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seth|web:

wow those origen cases are sweet

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** seth|web wipes away drool **

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directhex|bsp:

not cheap though

[15:00:23]

seth|web:

not by any stretch

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siXy:

some of the ones without lcd's aren't too bad price-wise

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siXy:

but yeah not exactly bargin basement

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seth|web:

this ones not terrible, considering it has the VFD and an mce remote w/receiver http://tinyurl.com/3bqew3

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siXy:

the cheapest reasonable htpc case i know of is the tiny one made by hiper-media

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siXy:

but it doesnt compare for looks to the others

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siXy:

seth|web: the H6 case is quite good value too

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siXy:

http://www.xcase.co.uk/pictures/1486/2/502342-1.jpg << thats the cheap hiper one

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seth|web:

yeah, the H6 could definitley be a FE/BE combo box, it has space for drives

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siXy:

or for multiple vid cards if you run several FE's on one machine

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seth|web:

this is my current FE/BE box http://www.nmediapc.com/htpc200.htm

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siXy:

ah thats quite nice too

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savageone:

anyone look at these: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=1&l2 . . . ;modelmenu=1

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savageone:

digimatrix by asus

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savageone:

comes w/ a remote

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savageone:

and I think it has a tv tuner in it

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siXy:

savageone: if you want one that size, the silverstone ml02 is nice

[15:12:23]

savageone:

k that looks nice

[15:12:26]

savageone:

but what about the remote

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savageone:

will it work w/ mythtv

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siXy:

yes

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savageone:

that's the million dollar question

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savageone:

you've tested this?

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siXy:

the silverstone ml02 comes with an imon remote that works just fine in linux

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savageone:

dope

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BULLE:

savageone: the windows media center remote works like a charm in mythtv, if in doubt, buy one of those, and you are happy

[15:13:55]

savageone:

that's what I have now

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hashbang:

savageone: those Asus boxes look fairly cool, if a bit 80s. :-)

[15:14:02]

savageone:

I have the hauppauge 150 mce edition

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savageone:

works dope

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savageone:

hash: my main thing is the need to have a raid array

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savageone:

I'm looking at 3–5 drives

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savageone:

because I insist on redundancy I've got almost 700 gb of movies if I lost I'd shit my pants

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siXy:

"works dope" << ??

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BULLE:

siXy: indeed

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savageone:

sixy: yes it works well

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siXy:

ok so dope == well. /added to internal slang db

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savageone:

haha

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savageone:

where you from sixy?

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siXy:

UK

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savageone:

gotcha

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savageone:

doesn't mena well means like good

[15:16:22]

savageone:

one of those words you can use for anything positive

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hashbang:

a colleague just picked up one of Asus eeePcs

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hashbang:

looks neat.

[15:17:02]

savageone:

what is that?

[15:17:26]

hashbang:

http://eeepc.asus.com/en/

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BULLE:

hashbang: mmmm, im a bit tempted to pick one up

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BULLE:

hashbang: but it realy want the model with 10" screen

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BULLE:

not 7"

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** hashbang is in favour of small, light laptops these days. **

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hashbang:

my current Tosh 'desktop replacement' laptop is 6Kg with all the bits.

[15:18:36]

hashbang:

and so it hardly goes anywhere

[15:18:50]

hashbang:

so something under 1Kg is good for me.

[15:19:39]

BULLE:

hashbang: ye, atleast its so small you can carry it with you

[15:19:54]

BULLE:

hashbang: so far, im mainly using my cellphone for the desperate e-mail / ssh / websurfing

[15:19:59]

BULLE:

as i always carry that little devil with me

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hashbang:

BULLE: yeah, that's my plan too, for now.

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savageone:

we're actually a custom pc and laptop company in ct, and I've got a LOT of customers interested in mythboxes

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siXy:

if there was a better ssh client for my blackberry that would be nice

[15:20:58]

BULLE:

hashbang: yeah, and then an eee thingy for the times when you know you will need a computer, but are on the run

[15:21:01]

savageone:

but the thing is, I'm not initially trying to take on the 2 or 3 thousand dollar crazy lcd screened out units at first

[15:21:18]

savageone:

I'd like something that's a regular old chassis or barebones that looks close enough to a set top box to work

[15:21:28]

savageone:

thus keeping my costs down and focusing on software and hardware features

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hashbang:

savageone: I'd have thought that market was where the best margins were

[15:21:35]

savageone:

like 1 or 2 tb of storage etc

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BULLE:

savageone: hfx cases are realy nice, and quiet, but they do cost a bit

[15:21:49]

hashbang:

savageone: i.e. rich folks, but who don't have the time to set up their own mythboxen.

[15:21:58]

hashbang:

savageone: so, do it for them, add 100% markup.

[15:22:00]

BULLE:

savageone: looked at the antec htpc cases ? they are decently priced here, comes with psu of ok quality etc

[15:22:00]

hashbang:

or whatever.

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savageone:

hash: oh I agree this is to start

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savageone:

for prototyping and spreading the word

[15:22:22]

savageone:

I have several super loaded customers and I definitely do my best to take advantage of that, in a good way

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hashbang:

savageone: I think cheapskates tend to be a bit more critical, though.

[15:22:32]

savageone:

but there is a seriously neglected market out here for medium income folks

[15:22:36]

savageone:

50–80k a year

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seth|web:

i currently have a combo fe/be with that nmedi case, I was thinking about building a big box, for the office in the basement, and just using FE's at the tv's getting smaller and more quiet

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savageone:

so I can hit them w/ a bullet or a thousand bee bees know what I mean?

[15:23:13]

savageone:

hash: I would normally thing that, but we've got a terrific reputation and I've got one in my store so everyone is asking CONSTANTLY

[15:23:17]

savageone:

it's ridiculous

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savageone:

plus we have an in store credit card and various other forms of financing

[15:23:39]

savageone:

so I want to do something that's about 1000 new w/ 1 tb of storage retail

[15:23:52]

savageone:

and then charge a monthly/yearly fee for maintenance

[15:23:58]

savageone:

which can and will be done remotely

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hashbang:

savageone: the maintenance aspect is an interesting idea

[15:25:21]

hashbang:

savageone: for non-technical users, mythtv really needs it

[15:25:48]

hashbang:

savageone: how do you plan to handle things like the MythWeather breakage that is currently only fixed in SVN?

[15:26:21]

savageone:

well the approach we're looking at is to not use the mythfrontend but only the backen d

[15:26:32]

savageone:

for the frontend, the name alludes me, but there was an alternative we were messing with

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siXy:

savageone: did you have a look at this: http://www.xcase.co.uk/pictures/1486/2/502342-1.jpg

[15:26:43]

savageone:

my linux guy was yapping about it so we're going to spend time testing it

[15:27:04]

siXy:

thats a really good htpc case for hitting budget targets

[15:27:06]

savageone:

one of my main things against the htc media center pcs is the motherboard integration w/ onboard tv cards and remotes etc etc

[15:27:16]

savageone:

if something breaks, I'm replacing all sorts of consolidated parts

[15:27:24]

anykey_:

savageone: what alternative for the frontend?

[15:27:28]

savageone:

in a high high end, I'd rather have seperate cards for the tv, w/ hauppauge

[15:27:41]

savageone:

sixy: this one looks ill where can I guy it

[15:28:22]

savageone:

what about this one?

[15:28:22]

savageone:

http://www.xcase.co.uk/p/386565/xc-360-home-m . . . --black.html

[15:28:30]

savageone:

400 watt psu too

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hashbang:

anykey_: LinuxMCE? http://linuxmce.org/

[15:29:23]

savageone:

ahh I remember this eeepc thing it was on some news sites, this is that embedded linux os bios thing that instantly stars up

[15:29:23]

_mre|666:

i don't think myth ever added a user account in mysql

[15:29:35]

_mre|666:

what's the command to add a user in mysql?

[15:29:44]

siXy:

savageone: thats the same case, only in a different colour

[15:29:45]

_mre|666:

or to atleast list the users

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savageone:

i don't think this is it, the mce

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siXy:

_mre|666: select * from mysql.users iirc

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_mre|666:

sixy: is that the command or are you telling me what to do?

[15:30:43]

_mre|666:

heh

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siXy:

thats the command

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_mre|666:

in linux or mysql?

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siXy:

mysql

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_mre|666:

that will list users?

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savageone:

sixy: I like these but I want to have full size pci cards

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_mre|666:

ok... brb

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siXy:

savageone: you can. but only one. sideways

[15:33:18]

savageone:

sixy: that's the thing, a lot of the cases I'm looking at don't have the sideways pci configuration AND when they do it's only one card

[15:33:23]

savageone:

I don't wanna be stuck know what I mean

[15:33:32]

savageone:

I may or may not need a raid controller for this deal

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BULLE:

savageone: http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15739

[15:33:42]

BULLE:

savageone: you wont need a raid controller

[15:33:44]

savageone:

eee pc doesn't have a cdrom eh?

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BULLE:

savageone: no, it doesnt, its not that much larger hten a cd-disc you know

[15:34:15]

savageone:

yeah it's a tiny little thing

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_mre|666:

yeah

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_mre|666:

like i thought

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directhex|bsp:

http://lian-li.com/product/product06.php?pr_i . . . 4&type=b

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hjohnson:

the problem with not using a RAID card is finding some way of getting enough SATA ports to hook up all the drives.

[15:34:41]

_mre|666:

it never added a user

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BULLE:

hjohnson: most motherboards today come with a minimum of 4 sata ports

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hashbang:

hjohnson: I think there are some quad-port SATA cards out there

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hashbang:

hjohnson: cheap, too

[15:35:15]

savageone:

hj: most of the baords I mess w/ have raid 0 and 1 w/ support for 3 drives

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directhex|bsp:

or in ATX, http://lian-li.com/product/product06.php?pr_i . . . 4&type=b

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hjohnson:

I saw a drive carrier recently that could fit 4 laptop SATA drives into a single 5 1/4" bay

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BULLE:

my gigabyte motherboard, wich was cheap, as 8 sata ports on it

[15:35:28]

savageone:

but I'm either going to be doing a raid 5 w/ 3 drives, or a raid 1 w/ a hot spare

[15:35:32]

siXy:

also unless you are dead-set on buying tiny HDDs, 4 drives should be plenty

[15:35:46]

hjohnson:

I've got 6 spindles going right now.

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directhex|bsp:

yeah, 8 sata ports isn't unheard of

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hjohnson:

5 in a RAID 5, the other as the boot drive.

[15:35:54]

savageone:

bulle: it can have as many sata ports as it wants, if it doesn't have bios support for more then raid 0 or 1

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** directhex|bsp has an 8-drive raid array on a high-end hardware raid controller **

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siXy:

plus the more HDDs you have the more heat and noise you generate

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hashbang:

also, LSI's MegaRAID 300–8x isn't too spendy

[15:36:10]

BULLE:

savageone: just use linux softraid

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directhex|bsp:

hashbang, requires pci-x

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hashbang:

directhex: true

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hjohnson:

savageone: so just run software RAID, it's generally more efficient than anything out there (other than the high end RAID cards)

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BULLE:

savageone: all the cheap "raid" cards and onboard raid controllers are all software based

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directhex|bsp:

hashbang, which means an asus board, or a server cpu

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** siXy has several 24 disk FC SANs, but sadly he doesnt get to record much tv onto them **

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hashbang:

http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessorie . . . SE-M28E1.cfm

[15:37:10]

hjohnson:

I've been thinking about adding another 5 spindles to my machine

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** BULLE tries to keep the spindlar out of his machine **

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hashbang:

maxpoint used to do 2*2.5" in a single 3.5" bay

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directhex|bsp:

savageone, how do those lian-li cases look?

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BULLE:

lian-li are pretty expensive though, arent they ?

[15:38:02]

directhex|bsp:

savageone, if you want multi-sideways-pci, you want a silverstone lc11

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savageone:

direct: one sec catching up w/ convo here rofl

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** hjohnson has an Antec Titan II case **

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siXy:

hmm – not sure thats a great plan – 2.5" disks aren't great for speed. best left to blades, laptops and integrated stuff imo

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hjohnson:

decent server case, keeps all my stuff nice and cool

[15:38:39]

hjohnson:

siXy: yeah, but this is for a media store..

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directhex|bsp:

savageone, http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_spec . . . amp;area=usa

[15:38:57]

hjohnson:

it could be slow as mollases in a Minnisota january, and it would still perform well enough to stream video.

[15:39:06]

siXy:

hjohnson: well you still have the problem that 2x2.5" disks gives less storage than one big 3.5"

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directhex|bsp:

savageone, NOT cheap though

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siXy:

the HFX fanless cases are clearly the best however :)

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directhex|bsp:

siXy, zalman tnn500!

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** BULLE likes his HFX case **

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hashbang:

siXy: you can get 10K rpm 2.5" drives these days. Not meant for laptops, but RAID. Certainly better than the 4.5K or 5.4K drives in the average laptop.

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BULLE:

hashbang: and the price for such 10krpm 2.5" drives is ? just very high or insanely high ?

[15:41:11]

BULLE:

or even very insanely high

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siXy:

directhex: yeah thats nice too :)

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hjohnson:

siXy: right, but two 2.5" 250GB laptop drives are going to run cooler than a single 3.5" 500

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directhex|bsp:

that hfx looks pretty!

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directhex|bsp:

i'm still going the mac mini route though

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hjohnson:

siXy: yeah, but those are seriously spendy.

[15:42:03]

hjohnson:

directhex|bsp: I'm thinking of hacking an AppleTV for the media room.

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fryfrog:

They put those 2.5" laptop 10k rpm drives in blade servers, I've seen them in IBMs.

[15:42:15]

siXy:

hjohnson: i'm not sonvinced about that actually – a well chosen 500GB 3.5" prouces v little heat

[15:42:18]

fryfrog:

I imagine they are very insanely high priced.

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siXy:

s/sonvinced/convinced

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hashbang:

BULLE: 151 GBP for 147GB

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directhex|bsp:

hjohnson, i want the burner, and the ability to play HD

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BULLE:

directhex|bsp: the mac mini is in another division, from a price point of view, then the hfx cases

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hjohnson:

siXy: the only reason my drives stay cool is the two 90mm fans blowing over them.

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savageone:

direct: which cases were you talking about

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hjohnson:

directhex|bsp: eh, the ATV can play 720p

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directhex|bsp:

BULLE, how much is the HFX case, plus cpu, compatible mobo, etc?

[15:42:56]

savageone:

also guys, I can't be buying this stuff from the uk if I"m going to be ordering frequently

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savageone:

I"m an asus and inwin partner so I was trying to stay w/ them

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directhex|bsp:

hjohnson, and broadcast 1080i h264?

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BULLE:

directhex|bsp: wich one the hfx classic or the hfx mini ?

[15:43:23]

hjohnson:

directhex|bsp: don't think the latter.

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directhex|bsp:

BULLE, either.

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hjohnson:

I dunno, there's not much on boradcast that's worth watching in HD, imho... it's all dreck.

[15:43:42]

directhex|bsp:

hjohnson, hence wanting a core2duo system for £400

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siXy:

[15:43:56]

siXy:

just for the case

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hjohnson:

mm.. finally found a hotel in ireland.. that was tough

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directhex|bsp:

siXy, indeed. very nice, but the mac is a good value option

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siXy:

more if you want the VFD and DVD drive

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siXy:

yeah the mac mini is what i would go for if it was my money

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hjohnson:

the mac is also nice, compact, and quiet.

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BULLE:

i think they have some hfx mini kit they sell, that is the case, psu, dvdrom, motherboard, but no cpu, ram or hd, for around 800 euro ?

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hjohnson:

th eonly thing I wish the mini had was a better graphics chipset.

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BULLE:

directhex|bsp: the hfx classic will cost you something like 600euro for the case, with psu and the cooling stuff,

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directhex|bsp:

BULLE, so twice the cost of the mac then, before you add the cpu?

[15:45:20]

BULLE:

directhex|bsp: yes

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BULLE:

directhex|bsp: atleast

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savageone:

mac?

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savageone:

damn I hate being sick and trying to follow conversations rofl

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BULLE:

directhex|bsp: does the apple mini handle 1080i h264 well ?

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siXy:

BULLE: for a complete setup thats about right for a mini. don't know prices for the larger one

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BULLE:

siXy: around 600 euro, for just the case, psu and heatpipes ( i got the large one )

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directhex|bsp:

BULLE, as well as any other ~2ghz core2

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directhex|bsp:

mac mini is £400 without educational discount which they hand out to almost anyone

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hjohnson:

the only thing that sucks about the mini is the intel graphics chipset...

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siXy:

hmm my wife is a teacher – i guess she could get the discount

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hjohnson:

though, on the bright side, that chipset is well supported by linux, if you're going to be running linux on it.

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BULLE:

i like my hfx classic, but it was horribly expensive, and over the top

[15:48:22]

directhex|bsp:

£359.55 delivered for a 1.83ghz mac mini

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directhex|bsp:

£448.85 delivered for the 2.0ghz w/ dvd burner

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savageone:

guys: say I've got a linux box, let's say ubuntu, setup with 3 hard drives in raid 5 w/ a software raid and a drive dies. Can I power down the box, replace the drive, boot up and it'll automatically populate?

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directhex|bsp:

savageone, excellent question. i have no MD experience

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hashbang:

savageone: I think you'll need to do an md add

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iamlindoro:

Savageone, looks like it takes a few commands: http://www.wains.be/index.php/2006/05/11/rebu . . . ftware-raid/

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hashbang:

certainly that seems to be the case with RAID1

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olsta:

hi

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olsta:

i have sometimes a strange problem with mythtv

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olsta:

sometimes the mythfrontend hangs, about ssh i can see with top the cpu usage is near 100% for mythfrontend

[16:03:19]

olsta:

but i don`t why

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olsta:

i must kill the process and restart mythfrontend, but only over shh, because on the mythtv machine i can not handle with the keyboard it seems like a freeze

[16:04:50]

hashbang:

olsta: when it's playing back something?

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olsta:

yes, only i look tv

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olsta:

if i play a video there not

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savageone:

question: you know how these windows mce based htc chassis are all having these big volume knobs and vaccum flor displays?

[16:05:25]

hashbang:

yeah, I've seen odd hangs/crashes when winding through at 180x

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savageone:

is mythtv going to see this and work w/ this?

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hashbang:

I've put it down to a corrupt MPEG

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** hashbang uses DVB-T tuners **

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olsta:

i too

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olsta:

what you mean with 180x?

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hashbang:

olsta: I suspect the MPEG stuff needs to be ruggedized better to handle corruption

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hashbang:

olsta: FF/RW

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hashbang:

olsta: aspect ratio changes sometimes cause problems too

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olsta:

ah k you think its a mythtv problem?

[16:07:23]

hashbang:

olsta: well, more likely a problem in one of the libraries it uses, or X, or your video driver

[16:07:26]

** hashbang shrugs **

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** hashbang handwaves **

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olsta:

ah k

[16:08:07]

hashbang:

olsta: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Cow . . . werbutton.sh

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hashbang:

olsta: + the first stanza from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Cow . . . htv.2Flircrc

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hashbang:

olsta: that allows me to kill and restart the frontend by pressing the 'power' button on my remote

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olsta:

ah k sounds like good

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olsta:

hashbang: thx

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savageone:

how are you guys handling the problem w/ digital cable

[16:24:11]

savageone:

in terms of people not using regular cable anymore and using digital cable providers

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savageone:

in the us mainly I'm talking

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GreyFoxx:

Man just record the analog outputs, or firewire outputs if available. Some get some of the digital channels over qam

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GreyFoxx:

The only sure thing is the analog outputs

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GreyFoxx:

the rest is luck of the draw

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savageone:

so analog outputs out of the cable box into the mythbox and then use the ir blaster to control the box

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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savageone:

I've done that, but the firewire intrigues me

[16:28:22]

savageone:

do some of them allow actual control of the unit over the firewire or just the video feeds

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GreyFoxx:

yes you can change channels too

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savageone:

dope

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** GreyFoxx has all of them **

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savageone:

you have any experience with the vfds and volume knobs found on most htc chassis? particularly the antec fusion

[16:29:21]

GreyFoxx:

firewire, analog(pvr 250's), qam , and iptv stuff

[16:29:25]

GreyFoxx:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

never touched those

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savageone:

what are you using for a chassis?

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savageone:

something pretty or just some regular old case?

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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GreyFoxx:

regular cases in the basement

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savageone:

cool

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savageone:

weren't we speaking the other day about some new distribution that was based on mythtv and used it's backend but had a completely different or heavily modified frontend?

[16:30:28]

savageone:

it wasn't linuxmce so far as I remember

[16:30:35]

savageone:

some other name and I really wanted to mess w/ it and lost the bookmark

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GreyFoxx:

You were not talking to me about it

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savageone:

k

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GreyFoxx:

oh maybe

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GreyFoxx:

plutohome ?

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savageone:

figured I'd ask because I've seen you in here before

[16:31:38]

savageone:

I don't think that was it

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savageone:

but this looks crazy

[16:31:45]

savageone:

plutohome.com right?

[16:31:48]

savageone:

home automation stuff

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GreyFoxx:

I think so

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** GreyFoxx heads for a nap **

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savageone:

goddamn

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savageone:

anyone here ever mess w/ this plutohome stuff?

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black_Nightmare_:

anyone here have/had any rage pro or tnt/tnt2 cards?

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siXy:

black_Nightmare_: i have owned some. i think i have some servers with that sort of hardware in. why?

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black_Nightmare_:

was wondering if these weird two rows of pins header even have any use at all considering how they seem to appear on almost any of these cards

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iamlindoro_:

I seem to recall those cards having daughterboards for TV tuning

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iamlindoro_:

that attached via those internal pins

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iamlindoro_:

Also, Here is a DVD decoder daughter card by apple for those cards: http://www.welovemacs.com/6612109.html

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iamlindoro_:

Almost certainly completely unusable in linux, though

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black_Nightmare_:

hm so I presume the ati/nvidia cards all are one single compactible headers?

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iamlindoro_:

I don't catch your meaning

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black_Nightmare_:

heh sorry I meant..so any cards with these 2 rows of pins are all the same one type?

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iamlindoro_:

Well, I can't be sure of that, just speaking from my recollection... which may be flawed :)

[16:49:01]

iamlindoro_:

Know they're for Daughter card, but can't guarantee that the connectors are universal

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black_Nightmare_:

heh...thanks anyhow

[16:49:24]

iamlindoro_:

np

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black_Nightmare_:

I'll see if I can look more into this if I want to ;)

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black_Nightmare_:

so anyway..still looking for a video card...heh (well at least finding this tnt2 m64 was nice..some actual opengl support for now aside to better mhz than the old ati rage pro ... just still no tv-out yet :p

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** iamlindoro_ has gotten spoiled and can't imagine building a low end system any more. **

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iamlindoro_:

I've found that it's worth putting a few bucks into it to save yourself some headaches... but hey, for your first system, no harm in doing it on the cheap

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black_Nightmare_:

bah its not 'first system' .. more of 'rebuilding' but to our own :P

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iamlindoro_:

ah

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black_Nightmare_:

still when you think about it this way tho.. 90mhz with no opengl (all software done) verus 125mhz [aside to more vram] with opengl support

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iamlindoro_:

I had about six different systems that limped along for 3.5 years or so, then about a year ago built a Pentium D system with all very standard (PVR 150) stuff and the difference was night and day. Absolutely bulletproof.

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black_Nightmare_:

heh well I wouldn't mention that the psu/motherboard/cpu are from late '98 then :p

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iamlindoro_:

I resolved not to try to squeak by any more, and all my systems are Core 2 or higher with PVR-150s and HD-5000s now. A little more expense, but worth it for the predictability

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black_Nightmare_:

other items been repalced over time..last individual upgrade was I think the oem dvdrom drive .. but now I'm rather doing a complete rebuild .. several cards switched too

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iamlindoro_:

*shudder*

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iamlindoro_:

Guess it depends on what you're looking for. I prefer that the hardware just work because I like to write fancy scripts and tweak on the software side. I can see the attraction if you want to tweak and get it running on minimal hardware, though

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iamlindoro_:

Just not my thing

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black_Nightmare_:

minimal? who said that??

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** black_Nightmare_ hehs **

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iamlindoro_:

You're kidding, right? You don't think you're running on minimal hardware?

[17:01:00]

iamlindoro_:

I can't think of how you could run it on more minimal hardware unless the power supply had a wheel and a rodent.

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black_Nightmare_:

do you seriously want to know what cpu is being used for the scanner and to run some other minor tasks on desktop? :p

[17:01:50]

iamlindoro_:

That's really irrelevant, I'm saying the stuff you're talking about using is absolutely, positively bare minimum for Myth.

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black_Nightmare_:

heh well iamlindoro...its not the only system thats got tv capacity in here (and in irony its lot better mhz wise than the other one)

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black_Nightmare_:

^_^

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** iamlindoro_ shudders again **

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black_Nightmare_:

you ever heard of apple powerpc performa's or not really?

[17:03:35]

iamlindoro_:

Of course

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iamlindoro_:

I'm a mac man ;)

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black_Nightmare_:

thats an ex-family (basically all mine for quite some time) system here... of course its one of the few that apple made some poor design on tho but well meh lets not go there [in short: mixing 68k and ppc components to build a ppc logic board...hobbled in places]

[17:04:43]

black_Nightmare_:

its got both apple video-in and apple tv tuner cards

[17:05:34]

** iamlindoro_ hands black nightmare the Creative "Video Wonder" he got for graduation from Middle School. **

[17:05:55]

iamlindoro_:

There, use it in good health. good ol' Windows 3.1 video capture.

[17:06:37]

savageone:

guys: I was talking to someone in here a few weeks ago about this new system for mythtv that uses mythtv as the backend but has some new frontend, it has some screen overlay effects and such. I was very interested in it

[17:06:42]

savageone:

anybody got any info on this?

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iamlindoro_:

sounds like *choking back bile* LinuxMCE

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black_Nightmare_:

(I probably should mention it was the very first internet system here too... netscape navigator through its internal 28.8K (but of course eventually two different browser updates over to till finally the performa was put away)

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black_Nightmare_:

iamlindoro...heh...hardware capture card for win3.1? does it work in dos too or no? :p

[17:08:13]

iamlindoro_:

Naw, it was reliant on the very original Video For Windows stuff... which I distinctly recall installing off of 17 floppies

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black_Nightmare_:

ah.....

[17:09:47]

black_Nightmare_:

17 floppies..lol.. thats like about 20.4MB maximum no? :p

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iamlindoro_:

It didn't really do much... had composite in and a little breakout stub for two channel audio. It was great for its time but was, in modern terms, a very simple simple framegrabber

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savageone:

iam: naw, not linuxmce, it has some weird name

[17:11:49]

savageone:

and it was a full distro if I remembe correctly

[17:12:02]

iamlindoro_:

linuxmce is a full distro, I believe

[17:12:05]

savageone:

OOH OOH, another piece of info, it had some lady in a video that walks you through the setup of the system

[17:12:14]

iamlindoro_:

Yup, that's Linux MCE

[17:12:21]

jams:

or plutohome

[17:12:23]

iamlindoro_:

built on top of plutohome

[17:12:27]

iamlindoro_:

heh

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gbee:

what resolutions are people using for TV-out in PAL regions?

[17:13:27]

black_Nightmare_:

iamlindoro..ah ok

[17:14:07]

black_Nightmare_:

I always wondered who really invented the disk drive .. sure was nice to take grant for.. going from 1.2mb to 1.44mb in about half the size ;)

[17:14:34]

black_Nightmare_:

(neverminding other attempts such as ms using 2.88mb special format or imagination's failed attempt at their own 120mb superdisks

[17:17:28]

gbee:

seems silly to think about the 1.44Mb floppies in a world where you can get memory cards 1/3 the size of a postage stamp which hold 4Gb +

[17:19:31]

iamlindoro_:

Heh, I remember switching between floppies every few screens on some of the old Sierra games

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seth|web:

kings quests and space quest

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seth|web:

I still have those disks

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iamlindoro_:

Yup, among others

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seth|web:

I have the origianl gold box d&d games yet, on 5–1/4 disks

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black_Nightmare_:

umm floppies are 1.2mb btw

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black_Nightmare_:

;)

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opello:

not 640 blocks?

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seth|web:

well 5–14 ones are

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seth|web:

er 5–1/4

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iamlindoro_:

1.44 for 3.5

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iamlindoro_:

or 720k ;)

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seth|web:

3–1/2 are 1.44 mb or 720k for low density

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black_Nightmare_:

do noone ever learn that the 3.5 is actually diskette or disk to short? :P

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** black_Nightmare_ hehs **

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gbee:

referring to the 1.44 format, which might not have been so floppy as the 5 1/4" ones but was still widely referred to as a 'floppy'

[17:22:28]

black_Nightmare_:

I still wonder about that one wise person who asked why I had two hds .. did he not even understand "...one disk drive, 5gb hd..."

[17:23:20]

gbee:

it's like arguing that a Vacuum Cleaner isn't a Hoover, despite the fact that most of the public it a hoover no matter what the manufacturer (well in the UK at least)

[17:24:32]

opello:

kleenex might be a better example of genericized trademark

[17:24:34]

black_Nightmare_:

hoover's a name here...try ask a store that doesn't carry hoover for "got a hoover?" to be usually told they don't carry it

[17:24:58]

black_Nightmare_:

you have to actually ask the right ('other' heh) word if you wanted to bother asking

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hjohnson:

hmm? floppy drive is the proper name for the 3.5" format.

[17:25:15]

black_Nightmare_:

hjohn..so whats a diskette then?

[17:25:17]

hjohnson:

the magnetic media is still floppy, but contained within a hard shell.

[17:25:20]

gbee:

the 5 1/4" floppies were on their way out by the time the PC was really penetrating into most households, so the 3 1/2" format is the one which remains in the public memory

[17:25:46]

savageone:

iam: poluto home's website doesn't have a ton of info, is this software mythtv based? Does it have all the same features? It really only talks about the stuff w/ the dvd backup

[17:25:51]

black_Nightmare_:

gbee....except for offices....there's many old stories of about cd discs being stuffed into floppy drives

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hjohnson:

black_Nightmare_: anything smaller than an 8" floppy.

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black_Nightmare_:

hjohn.. 5.25" is NOT diskette..so :p

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opello:

so what's a 5.25" disk if it isn't a diskette?

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iamlindoro_:

savageone, I couldn't really tell you, I don't think anyone here uses/would use it or linuxmce, since they're not really mythtv in any substantial sense of the word, aside from using the backend

[17:26:41]

hjohnson:

in the lexicon I grew up with, it was. (Prior to the major release of 3.5" drives), because it was smaller than the 8" disks

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hjohnson:

ergo it was a diskette

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hjohnson:

and we liked the smaller form factor too, since it was easier to carry around and store. :P

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savageone:

iam: I'm talking about plutohome

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gbee:

opello: dunno, don't know about kleenex ... Biro is a good one though

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hjohnson:

8" disks might as well be LPs

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savageone:

I lik ethe full distro approach, it fits my skillset better ;)

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iamlindoro_:

savageone, and I answered referring to both plutohome and linuxmce which are, for purposes of the channel, the same, ie not mythtv

[17:28:02]

savageone:

I'm more into mythbuntu

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hjohnson:

then you had wierdness like Apple's 800k disks, which used CLV to add more bits to the disk, but otherwise used the same medium as the PC 720k disks.

[17:28:12]

savageone:

iam: gotcha.

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black_Nightmare_:

actually...

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black_Nightmare_:

it was more of a matter of that the apple disk drive were variable rather than just one fixed speed on the motor too

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hjohnson:

black_Nightmare_: hence CLV

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hjohnson:

Constant Linear Velocity, as opposed to CAV (Constant Angular Velocity)

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black_Nightmare_:

yeah thats why 1.4mb disks still could be read from windows with a few softwares but otherwise if you had the earlier 800kb disks you're pretty out of luck without an actual mac first ^_^

[17:29:50]

black_Nightmare_:

contrast to that since the apple disk drive would take any pc disks with no question

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hjohnson:

all using the IWM chip.

[17:30:18]

black_Nightmare_:

(720kb works .. I have no idea about earlier tho..don't even have any here)

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hjohnson:

(Integrated Woz Machine)

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hjohnson:

or the SWIM (Super Integrated Woz Machine)

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opello:

heh

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black_Nightmare_:

the LC's used the SWIM as I recall for sure (since someone nicely put up a digram of the entire LC's hardware design)

[17:31:37]

iamlindoro_:

All this old hardware talk underclocks my brain to 4 Mhz

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black_Nightmare_:

oh yeah if there's one more thing I kinda loved about apple's disk drive over any pc ones....

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black_Nightmare_:

no ***** manual-only ejection .. eg you could just drag the disk icon to trash bin and in a second the system spits it out

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black_Nightmare_:

and naturally none of the 'non-system disk..' error (since if the mac saw it wasn't bootable it would just spit the thing out and boot to hd as normal)

[17:34:14]

black_Nightmare_:

iamlindoro... 4mhz? that a 80286 now or what? *laughs*

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GreyFoxx:

heck no, to slow for a 286

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GreyFoxx:

my 8088 was 8mhz

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, I Yeah, was thinking 8086

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black_Nightmare_:

hjohnson...how about the nubus slots themself? was a nice thought at the time .. well before both major isa cards finally had PnP mode and pci came out

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black_Nightmare_:

'just plug and go' in short they sometimes say heh

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black_Nightmare_:

oh lol that reminds me that some of apple's ads said "plug n pray? I'll rather take plug n play" .. I think that was the G3 iMacs wasn't it?

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savageone:

a lot of people using ubuntu for their distro for mythtv?

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hjohnson:

black_Nightmare_: yeah...

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hjohnson:

black_Nightmare_: or the video cards that just worked.

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hjohnson:

hell, I remember jurry rigging a mac II to have 8 monitors...

[17:38:52]

hjohnson:

that blew my mind.

[17:39:20]

hjohnson:

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project= . . . ing_Born.txt

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hjohnson:

that's sweet...

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black_Nightmare_:

hjohnson....eight monitors? weerrrumm....that would had been crazy......

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hjohnson:

contains scans of polaroid pictures of the development progress for the mac/Lisa interface

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black_Nightmare_:

:p

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hjohnson:

black_Nightmare_: yeah.. 8 nubus video cards, 8 640x480 colour monitors... I needed new pants after turning it on and seeing that it worked.

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black_Nightmare_:

new pants? ...... ROFL!

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black_Nightmare_:

well I wouldn't even know how to use eight screens at once myself tho ^_^

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hjohnson:

well, they were all stacked up to be a giant desktop, so I just grew the window so it spanned all 8 monitors.

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black_Nightmare_:

heh ok

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black_Nightmare_:

well I've sometimes had some thoughts about the IIx/IIfx/840av systems and just poke with them for fun but maybe another day

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hjohnson:

i've gotten out of my old hardware phase

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black_Nightmare_:

hm yeah..to think they always said the IIfx was 'wicked fast' when it was new....but alas also very expensive too (partially on oddball 68pin ram too)

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iamlindoro_:

Probably didn't hurt to call something "wicked fast" when Macworld was always in Boston

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black_Nightmare_:

hjohnson..heh well I have the limits too...eg I'm not ever going to have one shelf full of random systems unlike everyone else..and I have some software related cutoffs like eg if it can't run at least win95 quickly then I'm not interested that much

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black_Nightmare_:

so well yeah...a 486 system might be turned down..unless there's any special reason (like eg perhaps not all cards in it are plain run-of-mill ones)

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black_Nightmare_:

anyway...lunch's ready off stove (stupid oven bleeping nonstop) .. so bye till at night or so ;)

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savageone:

how reliable is the rip dvds to divx functionality

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savageone:

I always had trouble w/ it before

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iamlindoro_:

savageone, I've always been a bit leery about using the myth dvd ripping. It's a fantastic idea in theory, but I like a bit more granular control

[17:50:07]

savageone:

I just need something that my girlfriend can handle

[17:50:11]

savageone:

she aint too bright w/ computers

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savageone:

why does everyone hate linuxmce?

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iamlindoro_:

Now, if "Perfect", "Good", etc were configurable like recording profiles, including output format, container and bitrate, that would be a different story.

[17:51:20]

directhex:

savageone, because it's a rebadge of a project most people discounted as niche a couple of years ago

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directhex:

savageone, plutohome (which is what linuxmce is, minus branding) is pretty much useless without a housewide x10 setup. i.e. pluto's only useful with a whole-house pluto hardware config, take that away and you're left with a limited gui with some mythtv chunks in it which is hard to use with anythng but a gyro mouse

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iamlindoro_:

And the UI hurts my soul

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Balachmar:

Hi, mythfilldatabase can't connect to internet even though firefox can access the page it says it fails to download

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anykey_:

Is there a theme developer around? I'd like to redesign the EPG but I'd like to have the channel numbers left of the channel name, not above it. Is this somehow possible?

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gbee:

anykey_: probably can't be done without code modifications

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gbee:

there isn't any room there normally when you throw in the channel icon

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directhex:

hax hax hax, hax hax hax! hax your codebase, hax your codebase!

[18:26:04]

anykey_:

well, I don't want a channel icon anyways. Is this a big change?

[18:28:59]

anykey_:

probably just a setting on line 189 of guidegrid.cpp

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anykey_:

gbee: can you confirm this?

[18:30:29]

gbee:

190 in my version of the code – the QString.replace()

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anykey_:

yeah, right

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gbee:

comment that out and you'll get what you want

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gbee:

if you don't intend to distribute the theme, then you can afford to ignore the icon

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anykey_:

Could that be removed from trunk as well? (there seems to be the ChannelFormat setting, which could add the \n, but I can't find it under the settings page though)

[18:32:21]

anykey_:

Well, I've thought about distributing. However I just started ;-)

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gbee:

it's a hidden setting

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anykey_:

it could default to \n, no?

[18:33:00]

anykey_:

though it will not replace " " of a channel name then...

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gbee:

the text widget should handle that automatically if it's set to multiline

[18:34:28]

gbee:

it will push text onto a new line if there isn't enough room

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janneg:

vegai: probably some error in the channel configuration

[18:35:05]

anykey_:

gbee: so adding \n to the default setting would suffice?

[18:35:07]

gbee:

anykey_: it will probably get changed when the guide grid is switch to mythui, I'll add it to the list

[18:35:08]

janneg:

vegai: can you paste the backend log with -v record,channel,siparser to a pastebin

[18:35:18]

gbee:

anykey_: should think so

[18:35:27]

anykey_:

should I submit a patch for this?

[18:36:06]

gbee:

anykey_: well, that any enabling multiline on the text widget if it isn't already

[18:36:32]

anykey_:

hm ok

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gbee:

anykey_: you can if you want, but like I said it will probably be made redundant when the mythui port is done

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vegai:

janneg: okay

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anykey_:

gbee: Ok. Any timeline for the port yet?

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gbee:

we hope to start working on it in the next couple of weeks, but until we actually start, nothing is for certain

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gbee:

almost certainly the guide isn't going to be the first screen ported, since it uses a lot of non-standard widgets

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vegai:

janneg: http://pastebin.com/m6eee78a2

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vegai:

hmm, I'm not sure if that's all

[18:49:35]

vegai:

ok, now I am.

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vegai:

this is on kernel-2.6.23.1 and mythtv snapshot from 20070828

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vegai:

and the problem was that I'm getting a 0% signal and no lock in mythtv, whereas in mplayer and tzap, I get good signal and lock

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gbee:

vegai: how did you get the channel information into mythtv? Using the built in scanner or importing the data?

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brunes:

Anyone here have Myth installed on a mac mini? I have been looking at the HOWTO in the Wiki and it looks attractive. I am just wondering – what is the min CPU mini I should get that can handle decoding HD content?

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brunes:

If I got the 1.66 Ghz core 2 duo would that handle it?

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fryfrog:

I think any core2 can handle normal HD

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fryfrog:

are you talking x264/h264?

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iamlindoro_:

720, *maybe*, 1080, probably not.

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bsdfox:

brunes: non-h264 1080 should work

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brunes:

fryfrog: Specifically, MPEG2 1080i

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bsdfox:

720 will probably work mpeg2 or h264

[19:04:24]

fryfrog:

yeah, mpeg2 anything should be okay i imagine

[19:04:28]

brunes:

nice

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bsdfox:

what kinda video card is in it

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fryfrog:

x/h264 i think is where it would get tough

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brunes:

bsdfox: I duno i think it is an i810 in the mac mini

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fryfrog:

that said, you may want to hang around until someone who has *actually* used one of those cpus :/

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brunes:

fryfrog: Well – there is a full article in the wiki and it specifially mentions viewing HD content

[19:05:23]

fryfrog:

ah

[19:05:24]

brunes:

fryfrog: But it doesnt mention which CPU they had

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brunes:

and the mac mini has both 1.66 and 1.8 core2 duos so I was unsure

[19:07:01]

iamlindoro_:

I would err on the side of the 1.8, personally

[19:07:29]

vegai:

gbee: I imported channels.conf that was scanned by dvb-utils's scan

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brunes:

1.8 would still not be enouh to do x264/h264/VC-1 though eh?

[19:07:42]

vegai:

that seemed to succeed

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iamlindoro_:

because with that graphics card, you don't have the option to use XvMC to take some of the load off

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bsdfox:

I can't imagine the performance difference is that much

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Daviey:

7 ][[

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Daviey:

+

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iamlindoro_:

brunes, maybe low-to-mid bitrate 720, but certainly not 1080

[19:08:13]

anykey_:

gbee: do you know if there's a DTD available for the themes?

[19:08:21]

gbee:

vegai: that _might_ be the root of the problem then, but I'm not an expert, have you tried the internal scanner instead?

[19:08:37]

iamlindoro_:

for reference, my Core 2 2.4 handles 1080p with SVN Mplayer.... *barely*, with occasional hiccups

[19:08:41]

vegai:

I did, but gave up soon. I'll try that a bit more then.

[19:08:53]

brunes:

BTW this is the article I am referring to – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . using_Ubuntu

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iamlindoro_:

Core 2 Quad 6600 handles it without issue, though

[19:08:59]

gbee:

anykey_: no there isn't, there is a very basic unfinished guide in the wiki but no full theming guide

[19:09:06]

anykey_:

ok, :(

[19:09:54]

gbee:

you best reference, if you want to do anything different is to refer to the code – not ideal but the situation is unlikely to change until libmythui replaces libmyth

[19:10:36]

iamlindoro_:

I believe that "average" blu-ray and HD-DVD bitrates of 21 Mb, even at 1280x720, are going to choke a 1.6

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gbee:

anykey_: lib/libmyth/xmlparse can give you a list of all the arguments accepted for various elements, uitypes contains the widget code itself

[19:11:03]

anykey_:

gbee: yeah, not that bad ;-)

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brunes:

yeah I have a stand-alone HD-DVD player anyway so I dont need support for that in myth (yet)

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iamlindoro_:

Right, but just as an example of mid-high bitrates of x.264 content

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gbee:

anykey_: if you are serious about a full theme, then don't rely on copying an existing theme since many of them are missing the newer additions – compare it against default and default-wide

[19:13:05]

iamlindoro_:

I have recently begun to rip/transcode HD and Blu-ray, and know that my lower end frontend struggles a bit on 1080 x.264, barely managing it, and it's no slouch (C2 2.4 Ghz). Just trying to give you perspective on the C2 1.6 thing.

[19:14:52]

bsdfox:

you should just overclock your e6600 a little

[19:15:14]

iamlindoro_:

My Q6600 Handles it without a problem, no reason to overclock

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iamlindoro_:

Ah, ok, you're talking about my secondary.... Naw, it really handles it admirably... *very* occasionally it'll skip a frame, but I can live with that

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anykey_:

gbee: I'll do, thanks for the tip

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vegai:

gbee: ok, now the tuning worked through the Full Scan, but the same problem seems to persist

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iamlindoro_:

If I set my mind to it I could probably realize some speed gains elsewhere but I'm satisfied for now

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janneg:

vegai: the log doesn't help, can you check if the parameters are correct?

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vegai:

I started the server with /usr/bin/mythbackend -d -l /var/log/mythbackend.log -v record,channel,siparser

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janneg:

vegai: the log is fine, I meant the tuning parameters in the log

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vegai:

ah.

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vegai:

huh? They're off by 20MHz

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vegai:

I have 546000000 in my channels.conf for YLE TV2

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vegai:

and DVBChan(0): New Params: Frequency: 562000000 BW: 8MHz HP: 2/3 LP: 2/3C: QAM-64 TM: 8K H: None GI: 1/8

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vegai:

in mythbackend log when I tried to tune to that channel

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vegai:

no, not 20MHz. But off anyway.

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vegai:

Ah, starting from scratch helped a bit

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vegai:

janneg: I suppose my older channel configs didn't get pruned properly

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vegai:

Yes, seems to work now. Thanks to all :-)

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janneg:

vegai: you're welcome

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Ava-:

anyone else had mythtv dvd player play the wrong language by default? yesterday I put in a dvd and it was french audio... to get it english I go to SELECT french.

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gbee:

Ava-: what version of mythtv?

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gbee:

some language selection issues were sorted in trunk, but another thing to watch out for is that a few DVD themselves mix up the audio track descriptions, so the French track is described as English etc

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anykey_:

argh, why is there a check for seltype == "box" and else it is "solid", but if I change the selector type to "solid" nothing changes?

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gbee:

anykey_: unimplemented feature

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anykey_:

aah ;)

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gbee:

no idea what it was supposed to do, before my time

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anykey_:

gbee: I think "fill out" the selected entry with a given color

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DarkStorm:

hi@

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DarkStorm:

deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sid main – the right source for debian sid? or is non source existing for sid at all?...

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Ava-:

gbee sorry i stepped away

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Ava-:

it is .20.2

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Ava-:

the ubuntu package

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Ava-:

which has fixes included

[20:20:53]

Ava-:

also some DVD menus play quite choppy as well

[20:20:57]

Ava-:

and don't in my regular DVD player

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Nik_Doof:

at last, radiotimes has stayed table enough to do a database fill

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Nik_Doof:

stable even

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gbee:

Ava-: even in 0.20 the internal DVD player was still work in progress, chances are that the problems have been fixed in trunk

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Ava-:

gbee ok

[20:40:53]

Ava-:

how reliable is upgrading from .20.2 to trunk?

[20:40:59]

Ava-:

should I do clean?

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iamlindoro_:

It's easy, no need to wipe out your old install

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iamlindoro_:

first time you start the backend it'll upgrade your database and you'll be off and running

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Ava-:

will themes from .20.2 still work?

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iamlindoro_:

Yes

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Ava-:

nice

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Ava-:

I heard a rumor of new de-interlacing methods

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Ava-:

is that true?

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iamlindoro_:

Couldn't tell you, I just leave it at linear blend

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Ava-:

ahh

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gbee:

Ava-: which theme in particular are you using? Justin's themes are all available in svn versions

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Ava-:

yeah just justins

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Ava-:

hmm I like the little auto prompts that I get with the ubuntu package

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Ava-:

hehehe

[20:43:18]

Ava-:

like for shutting down backened when you go to setup and such

[20:43:23]

Ava-:

that's not a biggy though :P

[20:43:33]

Ava-:

linear blend creates too much motion blur on my setup

[20:43:37]

Ava-:

I run with kerneldeitn

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iamlindoro_:

If you apt-get remove mythtv package, it leaves the init script

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Ava-:

deint*

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gbee:

you have to remember that trunk is a development version and as such certain things might not be in their final state, the new video rendering methods for example work great but the UI for modifying that stuff needs a lot of improvement

[20:44:01]

iamlindoro_:

and just can just make isntall an SVN build and the script works fine with it

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Ava-:

will trunk improve the way analog tv looks

[20:44:31]

iamlindoro_:

Just make sure to configure with --prefix=/usr/local if you do that, though

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iamlindoro_:

Ava-No, not really

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Ava-:

I think mine is just /usr

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iamlindoro_:

Ava, you installed from packages?

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Ava-:

for ubuntu feisty

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Ava-:

yes I did

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gbee:

Ava-: can't really say – is this a monitor or TV? bad looking output is often due to incorrect modelines and refresh rates than anything that mythtv controls

[20:45:02]

Ava-:

.20.2 ubuntu package with -fixes

[20:45:16]

Ava-:

it's a plasma

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Ava-:

and i'm using HDMI

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iamlindoro_:

Hrm, maybe I dunno. do a more /etc/init.d/yothstartupscript and you'll knowurmy

[20:45:39]

iamlindoro_:

ack, stupid trackpad

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Ava-:

I'm not at home atm but i'll try that when I get home.

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Ava-:

my HD content looks awesome

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iamlindoro_:

As it should

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Ava-:

maybe i'm just expecting too much from my analog

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iamlindoro_:

But keep in mind your SD content looks like ass because it's being scaled up to the native res of your screen, not because of myth

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Ava-:

and chan 45 has crazy diagonal lines

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Ava-:

they are upsetting me

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arod:

anyone using terratec hybrid t xs usb? is it supported?

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iamlindoro_:

http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/en/terratec.html

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Ava-:

I currently have dish network SD

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Ava-:

and it look much better than the cox analog

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iamlindoro_:

Apparently not by linuxtv, so probably have a hard time making it work with myth

[20:47:48]

Ava-:

i was going to cut off dish when I got the mythtv box setup

[20:48:39]

Ava-:

anyone know what causes diagonal lines like that?

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iamlindoro_:

Although if you can get that experimental stuff working, it *might*

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Ava-:

I've horizontal lines with grounding loop issues...

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Ava-:

but not that

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iamlindoro_:

Bad signal, poor tuning, dinterlacing method not playing nice with the channel

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Ava-:

I have good signal

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iamlindoro_:

ok

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Ava-:

I replaced all the cable and connectors all the way from the cox box

[20:49:54]

iamlindoro_:

so look at the others

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Ava-:

well lets not say good, but strong

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Ava-:

3 chans are giving me the diagonal lines.

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Ava-:

10,45 and some other I think TBN

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iamlindoro_:

could be a million things... interference on that frequency, scaling issues, etc, etc, etc

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Ava-:

i've always kinda though it was interference

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iamlindoro_:

Inside a computer case is not a friendly place for RF :)

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Ava-:

this is also true

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Ava-:

and the fact that I run 2 cooling fans on my entertainment center.

[20:51:58]

Ava-:

I wonder if the samsung tuners on the newer pvr-500's are better.

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Ava-:

I have the older philips ones

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Ava-:

I know the sammies had trouble with signals that were too strong..

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iamlindoro_:

PVR-500s also stink because they have shitty splitters

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iamlindoro_:

Would be worth trying on a PVR 150

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iamlindoro_:

just to see where the issue lies

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Ava-:

not enough pci slots

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Ava-:

true.

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anykey_:

gbee: do you know if the text in the chanbar (EPG) can be <cutdown> somehow?

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iamlindoro_:

Just diagnostically, not permanently

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Ava-:

I hear ya.

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Ava-:

when I added a signal amp

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Ava-:

it made the lines worse

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iamlindoro_:

I have heard about issues with the new Samsung chips, let me see if I can cite a source

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Ava-:

iamlindoro: yeah some new ivtv patch fixed the issue I think.

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iamlindoro_:

ah, ok

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Ava-:

I have no complaints at all with my kworld

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Ava-:

the QAM HDTV looks amazing

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Ava-:

other than it was a pain in the ass adding my HD chans

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iamlindoro_:

SDTV sucks, case closed. Awful tough to make it look good on a panel with high native resolution

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Ava-:

myth scanner found like 4

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Ava-:

a lot of them where on the same multiplex and I had to guess the right freqs

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iamlindoro_:

Some people apply denoise3d filter and report improvements, but I think they're fooling themselves... I think it just oversmooths the pic

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cmoates:

With 0.20.2? QAM's gotten so much better in the last little bit

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Ava-:

I would gladly pay for better TV if I had a way to interface it without ir blasters and it would need to have 2 tuners at least

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cmoates:

2 years ago when I set up QAM it was an absolute nightmare

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Ava-:

yeah with .20.2

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Ava-:

I had to manually set it up

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Ava-:

cause myth found 4 of the local chans I needed

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cmoates:

hm

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Ava-:

like channel 5 and 10 were on the same mutliplex

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cmoates:

Mine found all the multiplexes, just last night; setting up a new box

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gbee:

anykey_: doesn't look like it, no

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Ava-:

so it found 10 and I had to manually do 5 up

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cmoates:

right

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cmoates:

I wonder if there's some card-specific issues there

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Ava-:

dunno

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cmoates:

Maybe scanning doesn't quite work right on all hardware or something

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Ava-:

but it's workin now

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cmoates:

Excellent

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anykey_:

gbee: bad :( anyway: http://www.dmesg.ch/mythtv/theme/theme-guide.png ;-)

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Ava-:

honestly if I could get rid of my diagonal lines i would be happy

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gbee:

anykey_: it will be one of those things which changes with mythui since the single purpose UIBarType widget will probably get replaced with a container with a couple of image types and a textarea

[20:58:31]

gbee:

anykey_: _very_ nice

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Ava-:

gbee do you know what new deinterlacing options were added in svn?

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Ava-:

and which is supposed to be the best?

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anykey_:

gbee: thanks ;-) will be a lot of work though

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cmoates:

Ava-, those are RF tuned channels, right? You're probably dealing with upstream noise, if it's only those three

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gbee:

anykey_: a little depressing though, since it's prettier than mine

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anykey_:

hehehe

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Ava-:

cmoates yeah

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gbee:

Ava-: no I don't, sorry

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Ava-:

gbee ok thanks

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anykey_:

gbee: well, I have to say, I had a little "inspiration"

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cmoates:

Ava-, have you tried directly connecting the cable to the internal tuner in the tv to see if it's the same?

[20:59:38]

Ava-:

cmoates I've ran new cable and done my own compression crimps...

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Ava-:

cmoates I hooked it to a 13" tv and didn't notice the lines too badly

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Ava-:

maybe a very small hint

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Ava-:

but i had to look hard for it

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cmoates:

On a screen 1/4 the size, they'd be 1/4 as noticable ;)

[21:00:18]

gbee:

anykey_: uses more of the screen than mine, since I've allowed 5% for overscan and then some extra space for the borders

[21:00:20]

Ava-:

very true :)

[21:00:20]

cmoates:

Or less, considering the quality of the TV

[21:00:24]

cmoates:

No tuner in the plasma?

[21:00:30]

Ava-:

there is

[21:00:32]

Ava-:

but hard to get to

[21:00:38]

Ava-:

it's hung on the wall

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cmoates:

I'd use that as a verification/elimination

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cmoates:

You'll make yourself batty trying to "fix" something in myth that isn't myth at all

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anykey_:

gbee: didn't give much attention to the overscan right now. Will fight that later ;)

[21:01:19]

Ava-:

i'm certain it's interference or a problem with the pvr-500

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Ava-:

at least that's where i'de place my money.

[21:01:34]

cmoates:

Can you bypass the splitter in the 500?

[21:01:40]

Ava-:

no I wish

[21:01:44]

cmoates:

by disassembling it somehow?

[21:01:45]

cmoates:

hrm

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Ava-:

oh that's right I had one other thing I wanted to ask

[21:02:44]

Ava-:

when I rip my DVD's to the hd and play them, it won't pass dts and etc.. without ac3 passthrough being on

[21:03:24]

Ava-:

that's fine.. but when I watch regular TV I use HDMI and the audio is passed.. it just sounds like hissing

[21:03:29]

Ava-:

as long as ac3 passthrough is on

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iamlindoro_:

Then play your movies with mplayer an -ac hwac3 and turn ac3 passthrough in myth off

[21:04:16]

Ava-:

of I turn it off, it's fine but then the viedos that I play don't pass the digital signal like it should

[21:04:35]

Ava-:

iamlindoro: then the problem of not running a window manager comes in

[21:04:38]

Ava-:

:)

[21:04:52]

iamlindoro_:

Why is that a problem?

[21:04:53]

Ava-:

i use the ubuntu mythtv frontend

[21:04:57]

Ava-:

which uses openbox

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iamlindoro_:

and mplayer doesn't work on that?

[21:05:05]

Ava-:

cause it won't pass focus to the new player...

[21:05:09]

Ava-:

so the remote wont work

[21:05:30]

Ava-:

that's why I switched to internal player

[21:05:37]

Ava-:

because I couldn't FFW or pause or anything

[21:05:42]

Ava-:

I couldn't even get back to main menu

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iamlindoro_:

Ah. then you're on your own. I'd try to figure out a way to get the focus issue fixed.

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Ava-:

i had to kill frontend with ssh or wait for the movie to finish

[21:05:56]

Ava-:

or kill the player

[21:06:10]

Ava-:

hmm.

[21:06:48]

cmoates:

the remote is setup via lirc?

[21:07:14]

Ava-:

yessir

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cmoates:

lirc communicates with each client individually, IIRC, so it's not a focus issue, but more likely that mplayer hooks aren't in the .lircrc or whatever it is

[21:07:44]

Ava-:

hmmm

[21:07:52]

Ava-:

I thought they were.. let me have a look.

[21:08:36]

Ava-:

i wish there was a way to toggle ac3 on and off with the remote.

[21:08:55]

Ava-:

for myth or for mplayer

[21:09:59]

Dr_Willis:

I thought the remote buttons were scriptable.

[21:10:18]

cmoates:

They are but if the client doesn't support switching midstream, but only by config/arguments, then there's little to be done

[21:10:20]

Dr_Willis:

if ya could figure out how to do it from the command line. :) of course.

[21:10:40]

Ava-:

I don't see anything in my .lircrc about mplayer

[21:11:01]

Ava-:

does the mplayer stuff go in the same lircrc as mythtv stuff does?

[21:11:10]

cesman:

yes and no

[21:11:18]

Ava-:

0_o

[21:11:21]

cmoates:

hehe

[21:11:21]

cesman:

by default, mplayer looks to ~/.lircrc

[21:11:32]

cesman:

MythTV looks at ~/.mythtv/lircrc

[21:11:40]

Ava-:

yeah I have a symbolic link setup for that

[21:11:57]

cesman:

then no problem :)

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Ava-:

cool

[21:12:16]

Ava-:

is mplayer better at playing the DVD's than mythtv's internal player?

[21:12:20]

iamlindoro_:

but you DO need mplayer entries in those lircrcs....

[21:12:27]

cesman:

right

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Ava-:

iamlindoro: yeah :)

[21:12:53]

iamlindoro_:

ava, both use ffmpeg to do it, so depends on your preference

[21:13:01]

iamlindoro_:

or at least, ffmpeg libs

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cesman:

Ava-: I do believe Mplayer now supports DVD menus

[21:13:06]

iamlindoro_:

cesman, yup

[21:13:13]

cmoates:

If you have any interest in using the telnet client for myth, the internal player is preferable

[21:13:18]

cesman:

so, that would make it a matter of perference

[21:13:21]

cmoates:

Since it can control it via telnet, but not mplayer

[21:13:51]

cmoates:

The telnet server is "out to lunch" whenever any external program (a la mplayer) is running and spawned from myth

[21:14:21]

iamlindoro_:

I myself use mplayer for everything because I can keep it up to date with svn, so I can play movies with E-AC3 and TrueHD (HD-DVD audio tracks) and myth cannot

[21:14:47]

Ava-:

the mythtv dvd player the cursors dont line up on root menu for me

[21:16:47]

Ava-:

and it seems to always like to play french or spanish audio by default

[21:17:18]

Dr_Willis:

I had a movie that some how was in french audio.,. with spanish subtitles.. i couldent understand either :)

[21:17:34]

Dr_Willis:

But now i can cuss in both languages! :)

[21:17:55]

iamlindoro_:

ava- ffmpeg/mplayer/myth sometime get confused on the default audio track... there is a keypress for myth, on mplayer it is #

[21:18:16]

iamlindoro_:

or you can start it with -aid (hex audio id) and it will start. English is *usually* 0x128 I think

[21:18:33]

iamlindoro_:

ffmpeg -i filename will give you the audio tracks with their hex aids

[21:18:55]

iamlindoro_:

I think -alang en will also work but I've never done it that way

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Ava-:

so if I want myth to use mplayer and have ac3 audio and with -alang what is the syntax I would put in mythtv?

[21:20:09]

iamlindoro_:

16:9 tv or 4:3

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Ava-:

16:9

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iamlindoro_:

mplayer -fs -quiet -zoom -alang en -monitoraspect 16:9 %s

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Ava-:

cool thanks

[21:20:53]

iamlindoro_:

and if -alang en doesn't work then try -aid whatever

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Ava-:

nice

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gbee:

anykey_: at least you've persuaded me to go back and try to tweak my guide design, here's how it looks at the moment http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/theme_fullscreen62.png ..... there isn't much I can change within the space, but I'll probably work the guide background images at little

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Ava-:

is 38c case temp / 43c cpu temp normal?

[21:22:15]

Ava-:

I added some fans to my entertainment center to help out

[21:22:16]

iamlindoro_:

yep

[21:22:22]

Ava-:

used to be 49/52

[21:22:34]

iamlindoro_:

even 52 isn't that terrible

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Ava-:

when playing HD content it goes up to 45/46

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gbee:

my laptop idles at 51

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iamlindoro_:

More than ok

[21:23:00]

Ava-:

when my cpu was hittin 52 my hd content stuttered

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bsdfox:

that's weird

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Ava-:

my case temp was about the same too

[21:23:29]

iamlindoro_:

Probably not temperature related... at least, not cpu temp

[21:23:29]

Ava-:

hasn't done it since I added the fans though.

[21:23:33]

iamlindoro_:

52 is fine

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Ava-:

cool

[21:24:08]

Ava-:

that little guy sure likes to warm up the room though :)

[21:24:17]

iamlindoro_:

Heh, good thing we're headed in to winter :)

[21:24:26]

seth|web:

my master backend heats my office in the basement

[21:24:29]

seth|web:

:)

[21:24:36]

Ava-:

hahah

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Ava-:

yep

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gbee:

before I cleaned out the clogged fan, the laptop was hitting 100 under load (that wasn't good), it now does 60 under load which is more reasonable

[21:24:53]

Ava-:

ouch

[21:25:12]

Ava-:

90+ is dangerzone isn't it?

[21:25:18]

iamlindoro_:

Core 2's won't alarm until 100

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Ava-:

dayam

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bsdfox:

really?

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Ava-:

i'm using a 3.4ghz p4 HT

[21:25:42]

gbee:

aye, though a good chip will take it

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_mre|666:

somebody running myth on a core?

[21:25:44]

iamlindoro_:

But I'd be awful nervous if it got that close :)

[21:25:45]

Ava-:

that's alright isn't it?

[21:25:46]

_mre|666:

somebody running myth on a core2?

[21:25:51]

_mre|666:

i bet that runs nice

[21:25:52]

bsdfox:

maybe the mobile core2s

[21:25:58]

bsdfox:

_mre|666: yeah lots of us do

[21:26:00]

iamlindoro_:

mre, heh, one core2, one core 2 quad

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seth|web:

my laptop is core 21, runs myth great

[21:26:09]

seth|web:

er core 2

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_mre|666:

bsdfox: this box, my maindesktop is a core2

[21:26:10]

iamlindoro_:

And yes, it runs damn nice

[21:26:15]

_mre|666:

it's a debian box

[21:26:28]

_mre|666:

but my mythtv box is just a socket A Athlon 3000

[21:26:32]

bsdfox:

awesome

[21:26:37]

cmoates:

My new master backend is core2duo

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_mre|666:

running Deb Etch 32bit

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Ava-:

I have a backened, and a frontend on the same machine then a remote frontend... my 3.4ghz p4 HT has been ok

[21:26:44]

Ava-:

so far.

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_mre|666:

bsdfox: it runs great

[21:26:50]

Andycasss:

Does anyone have experience with the iptv under svn?

[21:26:50]

seth|web:

hey cmoates

[21:26:56]

seth|web:

:)

[21:26:57]

cmoates:

seth|web, howdy

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iamlindoro_:

_mre|666: Core 2 Quad + FFMPEG SVN/Mplayer SVN with multithreaded x.264 stuff + E-AC3 an TrueHD patches = HD heaven :)

[21:27:15]

_mre|666:

bsdfox: i take it you use BSD.... 64bit os?

[21:27:22]

_mre|666:

nice

[21:27:32]

_mre|666:

SVN is HD tuner isn't it?

[21:27:39]

_mre|666:

yeah

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_mre|666:

HD heaven

[21:27:42]

_mre|666:

hehe

[21:27:49]

_mre|666:

that's sweet

[21:27:50]

bsdfox:

I run mythtv on linux

[21:27:55]

bsdfox:

gentoo

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_mre|666:

bsdfox: aww... go figure, a BSD head that likes gentoo

[21:28:08]

_mre|666:

hehe

[21:28:17]

bsdfox:

svn= subversion = newest version

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_mre|666:

i like my dpkgs, thankyou :P

[21:28:34]

bsdfox:

bleh

[21:28:35]

_mre|666:

that's just me tho

[21:28:37]

_mre|666:

damn

[21:28:44]

_mre|666:

so you compiled the whole package

[21:28:53]

iamlindoro_:

yeah, but many guys here do

[21:28:58]

_mre|666:

yeah, true

[21:28:58]

iamlindoro_:

Pretty common here

[21:29:03]

_mre|666:

yeah

[21:29:11]

_mre|666:

this is the main support channel for the distro

[21:29:21]

_mre|666:

it's a great distro

[21:29:36]

iamlindoro_:

mplayer and ffmpeg work well in general, but there are patches floating around to support the PCM and E-AC3 audio from Blu-ray and HD-DVD, and I rip those discs, sooooo

[21:29:43]

_mre|666:

so are you guys using 64bit oses? does myth work well under a 64bit os?

[21:29:57]

_mre|666:

does gentoo even have a 64bit dist?

[21:29:59]

iamlindoro_:

had to go with SVN versions of those and apply patches so that I could watch my stories :)

[21:30:09]

Ava-:

iamlindoro: did you get my pm

[21:30:11]

iamlindoro_:

gentoo is self-compile... so... yes

[21:30:20]

_mre|666:

yeah, true

[21:30:21]

bsdfox:

_mre|666: I ran 64-bit on my backend for a while but had some performance issues so I moved to 32-bit and it's perfect now

[21:30:22]

seth|web:

i have 2 64bit and 2 32 bit mythboxes

[21:30:29]

iamlindoro_:

ava-, no I didn't... may have send it to my other login... try it with the _ after

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_mre|666:

bsdfox: really>?

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_mre|666:

wierd

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bsdfox:

gentoo was probably one of the first 64-bit distros :P

[21:30:40]

_mre|666:

64bit on this box runs great

[21:30:44]

_mre|666:

but i have no tuner in this bix

[21:30:49]

_mre|666:

it's just my main desktop

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Ava-:

I did

[21:30:56]

** _mre|666 is a BIG debian fan **

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_mre|666:

* Cannot join #debian (You are banned).

[21:31:05]

_mre|666:

hehe

[21:31:08]

iamlindoro_:

Hmmm, nope, don't have anything

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bsdfox:

there are issues with high disk i/o

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_mre|666:

silly assholes in #debian don't know it tho

[21:31:27]

bsdfox:

wow, way to get banned on irc ..

[21:31:27]

_mre|666:

:P

[21:31:35]

_mre|666:

lol... i don't care

[21:31:39]

iamlindoro_:

Ava-, sent you one

[21:31:40]

_mre|666:

#debian efnet is better

[21:31:49]

_mre|666:

ppl there actually give a shit

[21:32:07]

Ava-:

i got nothing

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Ava-:

lol

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_mre|666:

see them helping ppl all the time, through ssh

[21:32:13]

bsdfox:

I haven't been banned from an irc channel in like 8 years probably :P

[21:32:21]

iamlindoro_:

Heh... well, if you want to send it in open channel, go ahead

[21:32:34]

_mre|666:

bsdfox: heh... i ban and get banned quite a bit

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Ava-:

join #iamlindoro

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Ava-:

:P

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_mre|666:

bsd: yesterday everybody was talking in #debian, being friendly, but this one chump

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_mre|666:

who kept bitching i wasn't talking on topic

[21:33:05]

_mre|666:

so i asked him if he was an op

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seth|web:

iamlindoro: My dual remote issue is not resolved yet, I hope to get at it this weekend

[21:33:07]

_mre|666:

no response

[21:33:11]

_mre|666:

because he wasn't oper'd up

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bsdfox:

I don't really care

[21:33:25]

_mre|666:

so we keep talking, and he tells me to stop, so i tell him to stop being a penis

[21:33:30]

_mre|666:

then bans me

[21:33:32]

_mre|666:

heh

[21:33:55]

_mre|666:

mildly comical

[21:34:36]

_mre|666:

i don't get paid to be on irc, like him... so i'm really not taking it as serious

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_mre|666:

:P

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seth|web:

so is mythweather still broken in SVN?

[21:36:58]

_mre|666:

yeah... good question

[21:37:05]

_mre|666:

my mythweather looks like crap

[21:37:17]

_mre|666:

only thing worth anything is doplar radar

[21:37:35]

Andycasss:

Does anyone have experience with the iptv under svn?

[21:38:19]

Ava-:

what do you do to get netflix workin in 20.2?

[21:38:37]

iamlindoro_:

Ava-, you ahve to put some info in the database

[21:38:43]

iamlindoro_:

I think the wiki talks you through it

[21:38:47]

Ava-:

nice

[21:38:53]

Ava-:

can you record the netflix shows?

[21:39:03]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythFlix_README

[21:39:08]

iamlindoro_:

No, it's just Queue viewing

[21:39:16]

iamlindoro_:

no streaming

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_mre|666:

netflix is nice, but expensive

[21:39:53]

Ava-:

cool

[21:40:07]

Ava-:

so you can't watch a netflix movie on mythtv?

[21:40:09]

_mre|666:

and most of the time, stuff is easily found online, if you know where to look

[21:40:21]

_mre|666:

here's something i've been meaning to ask you guys

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Ava-:

but that's irregal :)

[21:40:28]

_mre|666:

avi support in myth, is it possible?

[21:40:31]

_mre|666:

ava: true

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_mre|666:

ava: but so is recording netflix movies :P heh

[21:40:51]

Ava-:

true

[21:40:52]

Ava-:

:)

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_mre|666:

touche

[21:41:02]

_mre|666:

hehe

[21:41:03]

iamlindoro_:

mre, avis are just a container, both internal myth player and mplayer support them fine

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Ava-:

so you can't watch netflix movies in myth

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_mre|666:

oh i know mplayer does

[21:41:15]

Ava-:

it's just for ordering them?

[21:41:17]

_mre|666:

totem does as well

[21:41:27]

_mre|666:

but i put them in the /video dir and nothing comes up

[21:41:32]

iamlindoro_:

and myth's internal player is based on the same libraries, sooooo

[21:41:50]

iamlindoro_:

mre Utilties/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings-> file types

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_mre|666:

wonder why it isn't showing in the /video dir

[21:41:57]

_mre|666:

aww...

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iamlindoro_:

Add the avi extension

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_mre|666:

in mythsetup

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iamlindoro_:

then go to the video manager and they'll show up

[21:42:12]

_mre|666:

thankgod for copy/paste

[21:42:14]

iamlindoro_:

No, on frontend

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_mre|666:

ohh

[21:42:23]

_mre|666:

BETTER

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Ava-:

so you can't watch netflix movies in mythtv?

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iamlindoro_:

Aval0n, not streaming.. you can watch DVDs or ripped movies just fine

[21:42:58]

Aval0n:

ok

[21:43:04]

iamlindoro_:

Can't even watch netflix streaming on a mac, let alone on linux :)

[21:43:04]

_mre|666:

nice

[21:43:06]

Aval0n:

so the netflix function is just for ordering movies?

[21:43:07]

_mre|666:

i'm going to do that in a minute

[21:43:12]

iamlindoro_:

Because of their crap activex player

[21:43:13]

_mre|666:

aval0n: yeah

[21:43:16]

Aval0n:

i thought netflix offerred streaming

[21:43:21]

_mre|666:

it does

[21:43:27]

_mre|666:

you pay for the movies

[21:43:36]

Aval0n:

right...

[21:43:48]

Aval0n:

I just wanted and alternative to PPV for the wife.

[21:43:49]

Andycasss:

Could somone give me an example of freebox m3u ?

[21:43:54]

cmoates:

And it plays through their special IE-only player

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_mre|666:

usenet > netflix but you didn't hear that from me :P

[21:44:01]

iamlindoro_:

Avalon, can't even order the movies... just view the queue, reorder the queue, top 25, etc.

[21:44:02]

Andycasss:

When i insert my custom m3u it doesnt find the channels

[21:44:04]

_mre|666:

heh

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Aval0n:

ahh lame

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_mre|666:

so you all ready for the big game tomorrow? i know i got it on record

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_mre|666:

any football fans in here?

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Aval0n:

ok cool thanks for the info imlindoro im off

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Aval0n:

take care all

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_mre|666:

that's what i love about myth, i can watch a big game, and record the other one on the othe rchannel at the same time

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iamlindoro_:

no prob

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_mre|666:

can't beat that

[21:45:50]

iamlindoro_:

Still have to watch the last WS Sox game... but it's on the mythbox without commercials... sigh

[21:46:11]

_mre|666:

i'm having probs with commercial detection

[21:46:14]

_mre|666:

doesn't seem to work

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_mre|666:

i'm sure it's just a setting i'm overlooking, not even a big worry

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iamlindoro_:

Is it detecting but not skipping, or not detecting at all?

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_mre|666:

it's not detecting at all

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_mre|666:

records everything

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iamlindoro_:

Is it running the job?

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_mre|666:

trancode?

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iamlindoro_:

mre, you are talking about recorings and not livetv, right?

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_mre|666:

transcode

[21:47:15]

iamlindoro_:

No, the commflag job

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_mre|666:

i don't think it is

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_mre|666:

yeah... recordings

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cmoates:

It will always record everything

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iamlindoro_:

^^^ exactly

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cmoates:

And then flag it, but still keep the commercials

[21:47:52]

cmoates:

And then you have to choose to skip over said commercial flags

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_mre|666:

so how do i get rid of the commercials?

[21:48:00]

cmoates:

So the question is, does it have the flags or no?

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cmoates:

Because it's two different problems :)

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_mre|666:

i got like 300gb of recordings

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_mre|666:

i think i did set it to flag

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anykey_:

gbee: sorry to ask again. Is there a way to draw the buttons in the main menu horizontally instead of vertically?

[21:48:16]

iamlindoro_:

Two things. You can edit the recording, load the commflag as cutpoints, and do a lossless transcode

[21:48:18]

iamlindoro_:

OR

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_mre|666:

but it didn't stop recording

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_mre|666:

them

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iamlindoro_:

insert cutpoints manually and do a transcdoe

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cmoates:

It will never stop recording the commericals

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gbee:

anykey_: yeah, look at minimalist-wide

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cmoates:

It'll just flag the commercials

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_mre|666:

ok

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cmoates:

And then you have to transcode to have them pulled out

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_mre|666:

then you have to transcode it afterwards

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_mre|666:

aww

[21:48:56]

iamlindoro_:

that's so if it screws up, you can salvage the whole recording

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_mre|666:

that's what i was wondering

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cmoates:

which, is exactly what iamlindoro just said

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seth|web:

what is the average space recoup when transcoding out the commercials

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anykey_:

gbee: thanks

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iamlindoro_:

16 Mins per hour

[21:49:21]

iamlindoro_:

25% in the US

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cmoates:

so ~25%

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seth|web:

so a 2g file would becone 1.75G

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iamlindoro_:

1.5

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gbee:

anykey_: it's more of a trick, since you create a layout which is one row deep but x columns wide, doesn't work too well when you have more menu items than screen space

[21:49:43]

cmoates:

1.5

[21:49:47]

cmoates:

but close enough ;)

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seth|web:

heh

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anykey_:

gbee: oh ok :/

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seth|web:

i should really do that

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_mre|666:

i'm pretty sure i have it set to mark the points

[21:50:15]

_mre|666:

just don't have the transcode job set

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iamlindoro_:

mre, then you probably just have to turn commercial autoskip on, which is in TV playback settings

[21:50:30]

gbee:

anykey_: depends on the effect you are going for, mythtv generally tries to keep 6 items per menu

[21:50:46]

iamlindoro_:

Then it will play back without them, but keep them so that you can fix it if it makes a mistake

[21:50:51]

gbee:

anway, look at minimalist-wide and you'll see what is possible

[21:51:12]

_mre|666:

iamlindoro: i'm going to fuck with it here in a bit... i got "Hacking MythTv" for $5 off amazon.com the other day

[21:51:14]

_mre|666:

heh

[21:51:27]

_mre|666:

was going to go through that, and i've been logging what you guys have been saying

[21:51:36]

_mre|666:

printing it off

[21:51:49]

_mre|666:

i got it setup and working perfect, have for a few weeks

[21:51:56]

_mre|666:

it's just tweaking it at this point

[21:52:02]

iamlindoro_:

mre, I wrote a script that runs on each job that commflags, then loads the commflag as cutpoints, does a transcode to cut them out, then transcodes to 720p x.264 for archival in MythVideo

[21:52:20]

seth|web:

wow

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iamlindoro_:

So that runs on everything and every few days I just go to my output directory and move thins into their respective directories

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_mre|666:

nice iam

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iamlindoro_:

'course, that's because the stuff I happen to watch is always accurately commflagged, YMMV

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seth|web:

i have had good luck with commgflagging

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, me too

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anykey_:

gbee: what I wanted was the same functionality like the vertical arangement. Just horizontally, but this doesn't seem to work

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_mre|666:

i'm going to have to mess with it

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iamlindoro_:

Every so often something will be a total disasten, but that's relatively infrequent :)

[21:53:39]

_mre|666:

might have to get a script to do that

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seth|web:

heck the only reason the wife let me convert the home entertainmnet system to mytv was for auto commercial ski[

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_mre|666:

it would be nice

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iamlindoro_:

And since I keep the originals until I verify the transcode, it's never any harm

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seth|web:

er skip

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_mre|666:

seth: lol

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_mre|666:

i'm sure

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_mre|666:

women don't understand stuff like this

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_mre|666:

don't even want to

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_mre|666:

well

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seth|web:

she had to press that 30 second skip button on the dish remote, now it does it for her

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_mre|666:

MOST women

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_mre|666:

watch an exception step up and make me look the fool

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iamlindoro_:

Some may not understand the tinkering, but most understand the end result. Everyone loves the "Browse all my TV shows and Movies with movie posters and watch any episode, any time" thing

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iamlindoro_:

Sure, sure, when the GF comes over I need to make sure to "mv /movies/Other /Other" and rerun the video manager...

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iamlindoro_:

But small price to pay

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gbee:

heh

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Andycasss:

Damn, I cant get this IPTV working, shows me blank screen for a blink of an eye

[21:59:15]

Andycasss:

I dont know whether my m3u is wrong or what... :/

[21:59:15]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: ;)

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seth|web:

iamlindoro: so I guess the usual rating on your video collection is 1:Lowest ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, if I didn't have thousands of movies I'd probably go back and use the ratings

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iamlindoro_:

Was thinking it would be nice to use the IMDB ratings and assign parental controls based on them, ie g = 1, pg = 2, pg-13 = 3, R = 4, NC-17/X = 5

[22:02:53]

iamlindoro_:

Seems like it would be a fairly trivial addition to the imdb script

[22:02:59]

iamlindoro_:

since it already fetches them

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savageone:

hey

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savageone:

how do I tar a whole folder

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iamlindoro_:

/bin/tar -cpjvf Outputfile.tar.bz2 --totals --directory /dirname .

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iamlindoro_:

WITH the period at the end

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: The ratings thing has been suggested before, and will likely be there some day

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin, maybe I'll take a quick run at it this weekend and submit a patch, if the script owner wouldn't mind too much

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savageone:

thanks iam

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iamlindoro_:

Or maybe I'll just write a little secondary script that pulls all the MPAA ratings out of the dbase after the fact and converts them to parental

[22:10:14]

iamlindoro_:

probably simpler that way

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Having it automatic for new searches would be important

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iamlindoro_:

Well, perhaps I'll give it a shot-- Don't do perl, but looking at the script it seems simple enough just to cobble something together based on the example I see

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: When I was thinking of implementing it I was probably just going to do it in the plugin, with some basic mappings.

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iamlindoro_:

Makes sense

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Anduin:

With a checkbox to disable for the many who would hate such a thing.

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Andycass1:

Does anyone have experience with the iptv on svn?

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iamlindoro_:

Well, I've got imdb.pl mapping movierating to parentalrating now... guess it's just a matter of dropping that into videomanager.cpp....

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purserj:

okay before I upgrade from the packaged myth that comes with gentoo to the svn version is there anything I should do? (apart from backup the db)

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iamlindoro_:

Dbase should be all you need

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_mre|666:

svn is HD supported... something we'll have to do down the road

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_mre|666:

heh

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_mre|666:

i take it

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purserj:

iamlindoro_: thanks

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** _mre|666 <3s his Hauppauge PVR cards, i don't wanna retire them :[ **

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_mre|666:

let me ask you guys this, does the PVR-350 have a HD tuner on it?

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_mre|666:

seems somebody told me it does

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GreyFoxx:

they were wrong

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bsdfox:

... no

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_mre|666:

ok, didn't think so

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bsdfox:

HD is digital

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_mre|666:

i told them that sounded insane

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_mre|666:

they told me that it might have both an analog tuner and digital

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_mre|666:

alot of cards coming out with dualtuners

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_mre|666:

that's what i'm wondering, does the PVR-350 come with 2 tuners, one analog and one digital

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_mre|666:

i dont think it does

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iamlindoro_:

No

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iamlindoro_:

a PVR-350 is an OLD card

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iamlindoro_:

and sucks

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iamlindoro_:

but is better than a framegrabber :)

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_mre|666:

iamlindoro: you think? i like it, still sells for over $100

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_mre|666:

i have it and it's cousin the 150 in my box

[23:18:07]

_mre|666:

both work great

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iamlindoro_:

Get a PVR-150. Why do you want a 350?

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djbeenie_:

hey guys how do I record all of family guys..and exclude certain channels...b/c I do not have those channels..is that possible? im using mythweb

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_mre|666:

i got both

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djbeenie_:

PVR-150 does just the job

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iamlindoro_:

support is disappearing for 350, gradually... 150 is much better supported, don't have to worry about heinous TV-out, etc.

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_mre|666:

iamlindoro: the 350 gets better picture for sure

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_mre|666:

i don't have HD cable

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_mre|666:

just regular cable

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_mre|666:

and it works flawlessly

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djbeenie_:

i thought the 350 is the same as 150 pretty much

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_mre|666:

it is, but it's a bit better

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djbeenie_:

meaning the tuner part

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_mre|666:

djbeenie: i have a pvr-350 and pvr-150 in this box

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_mre|666:

yeah, same series

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djbeenie_:

wow

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_mre|666:

350 definitly gets better picture

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djbeenie_:

i may have to upgrade my card hehe...i always heard they were the same...do they both have the same capture settings w x h?

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_mre|666:

i have to be honest, i'm not too impressed with myth's support of HD cards

[23:21:49]

_mre|666:

i'm sure it'll get better, but i'm not switching until the last minute

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_mre|666:

until i have to

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iamlindoro_:

mre, um, 350 tuner is the exact same chip and module, cx2341x

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iamlindoro_:

as 150

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iamlindoro_:

so if you're getting better picture, something else is at play :)

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** purserj hasn't had any problems with his winfast digital card, SD or HD **

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_mre|666:

iamlindoro: who knows, i know i also paid more for the 350 than the 150

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_mre|666:

i'm sure Hauppauge did something to make the 350 better

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_mre|666:

hence the +200

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_mre|666:

hehe

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iamlindoro_:

350 is much older, 150/500 is a more up to date card, plus, hauppauge doesn't make them any more, so good luck getting support

[23:24:23]

djbeenie_:

hey guys how do I record all of family guy..and exclude certain channels...b/c I do not have those channels..is that possible? im using mythweb

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iamlindoro_:

Find a listing of it on the right channel, enter the recording settings

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iamlindoro_:

set it to "record at any time on channel NAMEOFCHANNEL

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iamlindoro_:

Or "Every week in this time slot" will probably work too

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djbeenie_:

iamlindoro, ok maybe im not making myself clear..i don't want any thing to record from channel 385

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iamlindoro_:

So set up recording schedules that specifically record it from the channels you DO want

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iamlindoro_:

Can't exclude a channel, but can specify one

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djbeenie_:

ahhh dang hehe

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djbeenie_:

thats a lot harder haha

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Anduin:

djbeenie_: There are also custom recording rules (power search)

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bsdfox:

delete the channel

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djbeenie_:

bsdfox, ahh there we go! just delete it in mythweb?

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bsdfox:

mythtv-setup

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bsdfox:

:)

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iamlindoro_:

Or mythweb

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bsdfox:

or with schedules direct

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djbeenie_:

cool! that helps! thanks guys!

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hashbang0:

djbeenie_: you can set the channels you don't have as hidden, IIRC

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djbeenie_:

hashbang, yeah thats what I did :)

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hashbang0:

djbeenie_: I've not used that, but I assume that myth won't try to record from hidden channels.

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hashbang0:

djbeenie_: cool. did it work the way I expected?

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djbeenie_:

i didnt delete them :)

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djbeenie_:

yeah they dont show up

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hashbang0:

cool

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djbeenie_:

can anyone help me understand why channell 990 for direct tv showing up...when there is no channel for 990 for direct tv?

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iamlindoro_:

djbeenie, if SchedulesDirect thinks there is, then it's going to show up... go into your SD control panel and turn the channel off

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iamlindoro_:

then run mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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djbeenie_:

iamlindoro, ahh hmmm why is SD getting channels that are not even available, i mean im not even getting a order channel for that channel

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djbeenie_:

do I need to report it?

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iamlindoro_:

I dunno, perhaps it's in a music package you lack

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iamlindoro_:

Channels that high have a tendency to be music channels

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iamlindoro_:

I'd just turn it off and let it alone

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djbeenie_:

its a local channel it looks like, but i have all local channels

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, ok, I've got videomanager setting parental levels from ratings... my code may end up crashing the crap out of it, but it seems to work. ;)

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mzb_d800:

it'd be nice to have something like that as a default setting

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