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| [00:00:00] | Toxicity999: | and linuxmce or somesuch has some great looking progress. |
| [00:00:23] | BULLE: | elise ? |
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| [00:00:27] | BULLE: | elisa i mean |
| [00:00:45] | Toxicity999: | fluendo's media center project |
| [00:00:46] | janneg: | BenB: yes, that document |
| [00:00:50] | bsdfox: | hmm, my new system doesn't have a serial port onboard so I got a pci card but I can't seem to get my ir receiver working with it |
| [00:00:57] | BULLE: | Toxicity999: ah, yes, googled and found it |
| [00:00:58] | gbee: | linuxmce looked awful last time I saw it |
| [00:01:07] | bsdfox: | anyone know how to figure out the irq/address for a pci serial card? |
| [00:01:17] | Toxicity999: | gbee it kind of can, but it's a Reaaaaally cool project. |
| [00:01:21] | janneg: | BenB: have you looked at the gnutv source? |
| [00:01:24] | BULLE: | i doubt fluendo will ever releae mp3 mpeg etc as freeware, they earn money by selling those codecs |
| [00:01:26] | BenB: | janneg: no |
| [00:01:33] | BenB: | but at dvb-apps |
| [00:01:34] | BULLE: | even to the parts of the world where there are no software patents =( |
| [00:01:37] | Toxicity999: | BULLE can't really blame them |
| [00:01:41] | Toxicity999: | atleast they offer it |
| [00:01:43] | BULLE: | Toxicity999: ye |
| [00:01:45] | Toxicity999: | sort-of |
| [00:01:52] | Toxicity999: | we have our own alternatives anyway |
| [00:01:58] | Toxicity999: | some a bit shady... but there you have it. |
| [00:01:58] | gbee: | Toxicity999: I'll take your word, thought it was just a bunch of glue scripts but maybe I'm wrong |
| [00:02:02] | justinh: | "but it's not fweeeeeee" :( |
| [00:02:03] | BULLE: | Toxicity999: yes |
| [00:02:18] | justinh: | damnit I need to weigh this package but doggy is in bed |
| [00:02:34] | Toxicity999: | gbee it kind of is, but it's like an "OS" (sort-of) designed for remotes. So It totally has an awesome jumping point. |
| [00:02:46] | janneg: | BenB: gnutv is part of dvb-apps |
| [00:03:00] | justinh: | Toxicity999: only gyro-enabled remotes give you the 'awesome' |
| [00:03:08] | Toxicity999: | haha |
| [00:03:14] | Toxicity999: | like a wiimote properly configured? |
| [00:03:20] | justinh: | ordinary remotes mere mortals can be bothered with don't |
| [00:03:26] | justinh: | wiimote.. pfft |
| [00:03:27] | Toxicity999: | wiimite with a lirc pointing device would be fun. |
| [00:03:31] | Toxicity999: | Lol |
| [00:03:33] | Toxicity999: | it's cheap |
| [00:03:40] | Toxicity999: | and it a pretty good remote for things like that |
| [00:03:42] | justinh: | yeah great, _another_ remote I can keep next to my TV |
| [00:03:45] | Toxicity999: | lol |
| [00:03:53] | Toxicity999: | I only have two, but I only use one really. |
| [00:04:05] | Toxicity999: | I scored an MCE remote that I love. |
| [00:04:11] | justinh: | like I'd trust linuxmce to be reliable enough to dispense with the other remote(s) |
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| [00:04:41] | BenB: | janneg: that's what I mean, yes... I looked at, in fact used, zap_ca.* |
| [00:05:07] | justinh: | IMHO linuxmce is ok for what it is but it's way too overblown for 95% of setups, maybe more |
| [00:05:09] | BenB: | it sometimes works, but most of the time it doesn't (normal DVB-S) |
| [00:05:09] | Toxicity999: | These Windows MCE remotes are like 30$ on newegg openbox and have great Semi-OOB support with LIRC |
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| [00:05:28] | Toxicity999: | justinh I think I'll get in to it when I beef up the hardware on my frontend box. |
| [00:05:36] | Toxicity999: | It hasa ton of potential for fun hacking. |
| [00:05:41] | gbee: | the windows MCE remotes are fantastic, best remote you can get for mythtv at the price |
| [00:05:43] | justinh: | I dont have touchpanels in the house, nor do I have a house big enough to warrant them |
| [00:05:51] | justinh: | Toxicity999: so does mythtv! |
| [00:05:58] | justinh: | get in the code & patch! |
| [00:05:59] | Toxicity999: | true enough |
| [00:06:15] | justinh: | no wait, linuxmce has been on \. more, or something |
| [00:06:20] | justinh: | :-\ |
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| [00:06:35] | Toxicity999: | Not enough people hack on mythtv unfortunately, and I have to be one of them that do not for now. |
| [00:06:43] | BenB: | janneg: the thing is that I have no idea how to find out what's wrong, why things don't work |
| [00:07:11] | bsdfox: | I bought 3 directv remotes from woot for $8 shipped |
| [00:07:17] | bsdfox: | they're pretty good |
| [00:07:18] | Toxicity999: | I've done some cool things with it though, I originally had a dual X setup from my desktop, then I built my box. |
| [00:07:23] | Toxicity999: | neat |
| [00:07:26] | gbee: | I get a little fed up with all these other projects, there is plenty of potential in mythtv but everyone wants to start their own media centre rather than submit patches or get involved |
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| [00:07:30] | justinh: | what I've noticed is that linux fans say linuxmce is teh awesome, but the rest of the computing community appear to have agreed with me on its ui |
| [00:07:40] | justinh: | (in general) |
| [00:07:53] | Toxicity999: | justinh it can totally be fugly, but with the right setup it can look alright I hear. |
| [00:08:14] | Toxicity999: | Not enough themers for mythtv either unfortunately, as you probably know well =P. |
| [00:08:24] | gbee: | then again mythtv can look pretty ugly with some of the core themes |
| [00:08:28] | BULLE: | i think there are way to many imho |
| [00:08:31] | justinh: | I think there's about enough theme designers |
| [00:08:36] | BULLE: | justinh: i agree |
| [00:08:37] | Toxicity999: | Yea. |
| [00:08:47] | justinh: | don't wanna end up like ducking Winamp |
| [00:08:56] | justinh: | ever tried to find a nice skin for that? |
| [00:08:59] | Toxicity999: | haha |
| [00:09:00] | Toxicity999: | I remember |
| [00:09:01] | justinh: | there are MILLIONS |
| [00:09:08] | Toxicity999: | I settled on the mario theme for that back in the day ;) |
| [00:09:12] | justinh: | but nice, usable ones.. pfft |
| [00:09:20] | BenB: | gbee: it's not exactly easy to get patches into mythtv. |
| [00:09:25] | gbee: | we have enough themers, just not enough programmers to finish the changes that would really make for some impressive themes |
| [00:09:25] | Toxicity999: | we have many nice themes, but few really are for me |
| [00:09:25] | justinh: | BenB: it so is |
| [00:09:32] | Toxicity999: | I use Pearody right this moment. |
| [00:09:50] | Toxicity999: | it' black so I can overlook the image placement problems of my Tv out |
| [00:09:53] | BenB: | gbee: I had many problems with mythtv, many of the structural, but people just disagreed with the notion of getting things more stable. |
| [00:09:58] | gbee: | BenB: I'd disagree, it may take time, but it's not hard |
| [00:10:18] | justinh: | I can't code (tm) but it's never stopped me getting teeny weeny ickle things done & into trunk |
| [00:10:32] | gbee: | can't comment since I don't know what you are refering to |
| [00:10:52] | justinh: | mythtv unstable? who? what? where? |
| [00:11:00] | gbee: | don't think we have any stability problems |
| [00:11:01] | BenB: | see justinh earier when I said it's not OK to crash/ misbehave when you're out of diskspace: <justinh> and file squirrels get all they deserve. |
| [00:11:03] | Toxicity999: | the thing about the theme engine is, you can do a lot with it, but it's all essentially the same thing, what differentiates them is the images and the fluidity of it all. I really wish we had more robust options for themes, most definitely. |
| [00:11:12] | BenB: | gbee: I don't have time. |
| [00:11:22] | Toxicity999: | (engine level, not themes themselves) |
| [00:11:38] | justinh: | Toxicity999: you _cant_ do a lot with it. you can change pngs all you like but its mostly all the same |
| [00:11:44] | Toxicity999: | Right |
| [00:11:59] | Toxicity999: | and the themes we have, have managed to do a lot with that, but you can only do so much. |
| [00:11:59] | justinh: | that's as much as good thing as it is a bad thing though |
| [00:12:18] | BenB: | gbee: there's a lot of arrogance at the developers, everybody seems to think it's fine as-is, when it's crashing every few *minutes* for me, and just completely breaking down and failing to record every few weeks. |
| [00:12:27] | GreyFoxx: | BULLE: If you have a large collection of videos, especially if they are organzied in directories then the "Watch Recordings" style screen is useless |
| [00:12:36] | GreyFoxx: | Video list makes it trivial |
| [00:12:41] | Toxicity999: | I see a lot of very interesting work on the mailing lists |
| [00:12:44] | justinh: | I mean give UI designers much more in the way of options & they could easily make a totally unusable illogical mess |
| [00:12:45] | gbee: | BenB: see, I understand when people say they don't have time – though don't expect anyone to listen to your suggestions because we're all short of time ;) |
| [00:12:46] | Toxicity999: | but little ever really comes from it. |
| [00:13:01] | GreyFoxx: | Video -> Stargate -> SG-1 -> Season1 /Season2 /SEason3 etc etc |
| [00:13:10] | Toxicity999: | justinh Yea I think I've seen some of your ideas on that topic around town. |
| [00:13:27] | BenB: | gbee: yes... that's a response to "why a new media center project" – basically because it's faster to rewrite thant o fix. |
| [00:13:35] | gbee: | BenB: have you ever submitted a backtrace? If we get a ticket through the proper channels then the bugs get fixed, I wouldn't take any reply you get through here as official – no matter who says it |
| [00:13:36] | justinh: | I liked the idea of a metadata based browsing, with more than one tag. could be applied to TV recordings too I think |
| [00:13:55] | BenB: | gbee: I wrote the original DVB support in mythtv, mind you |
| [00:14:11] | gbee: | BenB: that's not even close to true – rewriting mythtv from would take years of manpower |
| [00:14:21] | justinh: | BenB: so all that entering channel data was your fault then! hahaha ;) |
| [00:14:23] | Toxicity999: | What would be nice is someone to take the initiative to write a frontend going in a totally different direction. Not that our current isn't good, but different isn't always better or worse. Just something more user controlled look wise. |
| [00:14:37] | BenB: | gbee: in fact, it is. |
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| [00:15:05] | BenB: | gbee: not with "play with 110% to see the soaps faster" features, of course |
| [00:15:16] | Toxicity999: | ha |
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| [00:16:01] | BenB: | justinh: in the sense that I stopped before I got to the configuration part – yes. |
| [00:16:07] | justinh: | heheh |
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| [00:16:19] | justinh: | it was more fun then, but then I'm just a config geek |
| [00:16:34] | gbee: | BenB: someone once argued that mythtv could be re-written in 100 lines of perl .... |
| [00:16:37] | Toxicity999: | I think the backend is doing pretty well (for my needs anyway) and the frontend serves it's purpose entirely, it just could totally be better, more fluid, more themable, more efficient, and better looking in general. |
| [00:16:38] | justinh: | and luckily I wasn't victim to channels changing PIDs a lot then |
| [00:16:48] | ali1234: | i'll just toss this out there. you could do everything the frontend does from inside a web browser using mythweb and vlc plugin for video streaming... and you could restyle it however you want using stylesheets. it would anywhere that vlc and firefox do, including windows, and there would be no configuration required for the front end machines beyond installing firefox and a plugin. |
| [00:16:58] | justinh: | blech |
| [00:17:12] | gbee: | mythtv _is_ stable as far as the developers are concerned because it isn't crashing for us and we haven't got open bug reports for any major crashes (except for those tickets which are open and are being worked on) |
| [00:17:12] | Toxicity999: | ali1234 you completely could, mythweb *is* a frontend for all intents and purposes. |
| [00:17:17] | justinh: | I know firefox crashes more times than I've seen mythfrontend lock up |
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| [00:17:35] | ali1234: | i'm not saying it's the greatest solution, but it would be possible... |
| [00:17:42] | Toxicity999: | sure |
| [00:17:59] | justinh: | hell we ran the bleeding trunk at LRL for 2 days with 3 frontends hanging off a puny backend & not one thing went wrong |
| [00:18:03] | Toxicity999: | likewise we could have a Terminal client that outputs in to ASCII video, you can have anythign really. |
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| [00:18:10] | BenB: | ali1234: urgs. that's not what browsers are for. possible yes. if you ignore the title bar. good idea, no. |
| [00:18:30] | jeffery: | mzb_d800, done my linux.conf registration :) |
| [00:18:31] | BenB: | ali1234: in fact, I thought that's what mythfrontend does. |
| [00:18:42] | gbee: | I'm running unstable code and still see fewer segfaults in mythtv than firefox, openoffice, X, kmail or half a dozen other major apps |
| [00:18:42] | justinh: | we never did work out why the NFS shares didn't work, but that wasn't our fault |
| [00:18:47] | Toxicity999: | BenB haha embedded XUL session with lirc navigaton? XD |
| [00:18:52] | BenB: | without remote of course, and that's where you get into real trouble. |
| [00:19:00] | ali1234: | benb: you can run firefox full screen quite easily, same for the vlc plugin. you wouldnt even know it was firefox |
| [00:19:10] | BenB: | Toxicity999: xulrunner development happens to be my job, btw :) |
| [00:19:11] | mzb_d800: | jeffery: good man :) |
| [00:19:18] | gbee: | which doesn't mean that mythtv doesn't crash all the time for other people, just that we can't fix problems that we can't see |
| [00:19:20] | Toxicity999: | it could be done with local scripting, and some fancy ajax. |
| [00:19:31] | BenB: | ali1234: remote control? |
| [00:19:40] | justinh: | thank christ web developers don't rule the world |
| [00:19:47] | BenB: | lol |
| [00:19:47] | ali1234: | remote control of what? |
| [00:20:02] | Toxicity999: | BenB then there you go, headstart, make a lirc enabled Mythweb frontend =D I wasn't knocking Xul, just thinking about how weird it'd be with a totally web based operable frontend |
| [00:20:11] | BenB: | ali1234: you sit in front of your TV, on the couch. you have a mouse? no. a remote control. no remote control for firefox. |
| [00:20:14] | jams: | GreyFoxx- if you don't need it *right* away they can ship the card to me, and i can ship it to you. |
| [00:20:26] | Toxicity999: | Media Center Keyboard! haha |
| [00:20:29] | BenB: | ali1234: ergo, no "zero config" |
| [00:20:33] | justinh: | bah I'll weigh this tomorrow |
| [00:20:46] | ali1234: | no remote control of firefox? are you insane? ever heard of a wireless keyboard? |
| [00:20:55] | justinh: | hey why don't you nay-sayers do a friendly fork of mythtv & just go away? ;) |
| [00:21:18] | Toxicity999: | haha |
| [00:21:36] | ali1234: | you can easily make a "web page" driven by keyboard commands using javascript |
| [00:21:39] | BenB: | Toxicity999: with xulrunner: feasible. |
| [00:21:40] | Toxicity999: | myself I'm satisfied, I just get excited about the prospects of some of the ideas kicking around. |
| [00:21:46] | justinh: | unless 'friendly fork' turns out to mean 'horrible hole-ridden mess' |
| [00:21:54] | janneg: | BenB: my logs indicate three backend crashes in the last 2 months. the last one 6. november was caused by a locked nova-t 500 and the other two possible by me since I haven't stopped it before reinstalling |
| [00:21:57] | BenB: | ali1234: wireless keyboard != remote control |
| [00:22:07] | Toxicity999: | BenB oh yea, totally. It would take beefing of the MythWeb frontend to make it really worth it though. |
| [00:22:12] | gbee: | I'd just love it if 200 different segfaults were reported tomorrow, because I know that by the end of the week 30+ segfaults in mythtv would be fixed and all 100 within a month |
| [00:22:32] | BenB: | janneg: it pretty consistently crashes and misbehaves when it's out of disk space for recording. |
| [00:22:35] | ali1234: | unless it's a HID enabled remote control that works like a wireless keyboard... |
| [00:22:54] | Toxicity999: | ali1234 don't even get me started on LIRC pointer. |
| [00:22:55] | justinh: | I think the version of frontend I'm running is leaking memory but I can't prove it and besides, its too old to really be relevant |
| [00:22:56] | BenB: | janneg: and it crashes a lot on bad TV reception |
| [00:23:00] | ali1234: | in which case it would work better with firefox than the same remotes currently do with mythtv |
| [00:23:25] | Toxicity999: | I run unstable trunk builds from mythbuntu (lazy, I used to compile it myself.) |
| [00:23:46] | justinh: | BenB: and then it doesn't. I accidentally kicked out my aerial connection once. most failed recordings ever, all 0 bytes. no crash though |
| [00:24:07] | Toxicity999: | I've never really had any issue with mythtv, literally. |
| [00:24:20] | janneg: | BenB: I have never run out of diskspace. does the backend crash on bad reception? |
| [00:24:34] | BenB: | justinh: that's my point! why do you get 0 length files?! |
| [00:25:07] | justinh: | BenB: this ain't a product I paid money for, and it's written by people in their spare time ffs |
| [00:25:14] | Toxicity999: | haha |
| [00:25:14] | janneg: | justinh: there might be a difference between bad and no reception |
| [00:25:15] | BenB: | justinh: and the frontend then misbehaves on these files. or when the file is missing, it just blocks for 10 seconds. |
| [00:25:32] | justinh: | that's not to say I don't have expectations but then I don't expect too much either |
| [00:25:33] | Toxicity999: | Everyone who complains officially is banished to Windows MCE! |
| [00:25:33] | Toxicity999: | XD |
| [00:25:39] | Toxicity999: | and *Vista* MCE |
| [00:25:54] | mzb_d800: | doesn't look like this new tuner wants to play it "mzb's way" |
| [00:26:22] | justinh: | BenB: but like gbee said if folks don't report problems properly in a useful way, they can't get fixed |
| [00:26:23] | BenB: | justinh: (FWIW, bad reception != no signal) |
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| [00:26:33] | Toxicity999: | I wish the TV encoders weren't such a joke on older nvidia's FFS |
| [00:26:51] | Toxicity999: | and nvtv doesn't seem to support this card. |
| [00:26:56] | smartface: | Hey guys, could anyone help me on outputting my laptop to my tv? I have a VGA port but nothing happens |
| [00:26:58] | justinh: | !trout early_chrontel cheap'n'nasty |
| [00:26:58] | ** MythLogBot slaps early_chrontel with a cheap'n'nasty trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
| [00:27:04] | smartface: | Im on nvidia drivers btw |
| [00:27:20] | BenB: | justinh: in this chat alone, I mentioned so many thing that could easily be reproduced and fixed. |
| [00:27:26] | gbee: | BenB: the blocking on missing/empty files is fixed in trunk |
| [00:27:36] | Toxicity999: | I'm most interested in meta tagging |
| [00:27:52] | Toxicity999: | and improvmentsi n general to mythvideo browsing. |
| [00:27:54] | janneg: | it's perfectly fine to complain about bugs and misfeatures. but expecting us to fix them as fast as possible is not |
| [00:27:56] | justinh: | BenB: reproduced by YOU yes. without backtraces & whatnot.. |
| [00:27:59] | BenB: | justinh: it's a mentality thing, whether you write something quick or for failsafeness. |
| [00:28:04] | gbee: | in fact, if you aren't running trunk already I suggest you do, could be that the issues you've identified have been fixed already |
| [00:28:23] | BenB: | justinh: no, you said *yourself* that you got 0 length files when you had no signal. that's a bug. |
| [00:28:27] | Toxicity999: | Someone last I knew was working on a good amount of mythvideo improvements including tagging. |
| [00:28:49] | BenB: | anyways.... |
| [00:29:04] | justinh: | BenB: but if I hadn't seen the 0 length files I wouldn't have realised the recordings were failing :P |
| [00:29:06] | Toxicity999: | Did I start this whole thing? I can't even remember, heh. |
| [00:29:33] | bsdfox: | is there any reason that watching livetv on a channel currently being recorded has to use a different tuner and therefor a second video stream captured? |
| [00:29:39] | justinh: | so yeah myth could sure use some 'user friendly' stuff but there are bigger fish to fry and only a very limited number of people to do it |
| [00:30:18] | Toxicity999: | bsdfox swing around to the Recorded programs and watch it from there? |
| [00:30:24] | BenB: | justinh: actually, you would have, because if done properly, mythtv would have *told* you: "this is supposed to be a recording, but it didn't work, because there was no TV signal. please check your antenna." both when you try to play it, and as alert when you go into mythfrontend first time after the failure. |
| [00:30:37] | bsdfox: | Toxicity999: obviously, but shouldn't it just default to that :) |
| [00:30:38] | BenB: | justinh: that's proper error handling. |
| [00:30:39] | justinh: | devs are generally happy the way things are in terms of the 'friendly' I guess so it's not high on their list. not everybody can be altruistically inclined gurus |
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| [00:31:16] | bsdfox: | justinh: building a user friendly version is childs play |
| [00:31:19] | Toxicity999: | bsdfox Yea, that's a good point, that would make sense to log which channels are being recorded and quickly check if you're switching to that and switch to watching currently recording, insteado f a new stream. |
| [00:31:24] | justinh: | like whenever I get cornered with the "muhhh, why dont the developers make it more user friendly so we can turn it into a product we can sell?" |
| [00:31:43] | BenB: | bsdfox: actually, it's not. |
| [00:31:57] | bsdfox: | yes it is :) |
| [00:32:03] | BenB: | bsdfox: do it? |
| [00:32:07] | justinh: | the Sony way – one multifunction button |
| [00:32:07] | BenB: | bsdfox: I *tried*. |
| [00:33:04] | justinh: | I'd even be inclined to suggest that if an experienced XYZ designer came on board it might help, but if that was gonna happen without an international begging campaign it would have already |
| [00:33:24] | justinh: | or without money |
| [00:33:42] | BenB: | bsdfox: robustness, bugfreeness, proper error handling are no things that you can do by slamming a nice GUI on top of it. |
| [00:34:00] | BenB: | (nicer than mythfrontend? hardly possible) |
| [00:34:14] | bsdfox: | what? |
| [00:34:25] | BenB: | bsdfox: that's true for *any* software. it's easier to rewrite than fixing these kind of things. |
| [00:34:55] | justinh: | I tend to think the whole thing is over-egged. for what mythtv is, it does its job just fine. could be better for sure. there are worse out there that people pay money for. if we had a line of code for every time somebody whined we wouldn't be having this debate |
| [00:35:05] | bsdfox: | I'm not sure why that stuff is at all "user friendly" specific? |
| [00:35:23] | Toxicity999: | justinh I think that last part is the best quote of the day |
| [00:35:51] | BenB: | justinh: as I said, if I try to fix things, and the lead developer rejects the patch with the argument "that's not something I consider a problem", then there's no way for me to fix it. |
| [00:36:00] | Toxicity999: | bsdfox I don't really care about use friendliness.. IMO myth is really user friendly after it's set up the way you want it anyway. |
| [00:36:00] | BULLE: | i think the main problem realy isnt about people not wanting to contribute, but that for many of the things people want, there is some pretty major changes needed, and that is not something a new persons just comes in, and draws upp a completely overhaul of the mythtv desgin |
| [00:36:20] | BULLE: | and, for people that want it, its not obvious why its a problem |
| [00:36:25] | Toxicity999: | It's the setting up that scares off most people, but so what, if they don't want to learn they should just pay for a Cable DVR. |
| [00:36:32] | justinh: | BenB: communication skills aren't what the linux community is generally noted for |
| [00:36:37] | Toxicity999: | haha |
| [00:36:40] | BULLE: | ye, i dont mind the setup being a bit hard |
| [00:36:49] | BULLE: | its not like its rocket science anymore, it improved a LOT since early releases |
| [00:36:58] | BenB: | justinh: I would not be complaining, if mythtv did its job. I have not had any recordings for a long time. my parents are using words they normally never use, becuse I gave them mythtv and it breaks all the time. |
| [00:37:02] | BULLE: | and much of the stuff realy isnt mythtv, but dvb or ivtv or lirc related |
| [00:37:03] | bsdfox: | BenB: fork it :P |
| [00:37:05] | Toxicity999: | the UI of the frontend ecluding the dreaded and much feared by many setup menu is about as simple as it gets. |
| [00:37:11] | Toxicity999: | *excluding |
| [00:37:24] | justinh: | I never looked at mythtv as a way to avoid buying a commercial DVR, and I think that's the difference |
| [00:37:25] | BULLE: | BenB: what do you mean with "breaks" all the time ? |
| [00:37:29] | BULLE: | BenB: and what version are you using ? |
| [00:37:29] | bsdfox: | I've got a 3 frontend mythtv setup at my parents house and it works well |
| [00:37:43] | Toxicity999: | I wish more people from the outside world would get in to developing fun plugins though, that's where the true power of myth would come out. |
| [00:37:47] | BenB: | BULLE: backend crashes. no recordings, for whatever reason. |
| [00:37:48] | bsdfox: | I had to bind a key to restart the frontend but that's it |
| [00:37:51] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* ... going to have to install this nasty tuner under M$ to see if it actually works ... can't get a tuning lock :( |
| [00:37:54] | bsdfox: | and my parents are noobs.. |
| [00:37:57] | BULLE: | BenB: and what version are you running ? |
| [00:38:01] | justinh: | the minute it starts screwing up for me I'll be really tempted to go to Argos & buy a Freeview PVR, believe me |
| [00:38:02] | BenB: | 0.20a |
| [00:38:09] | mzb_d800: | checked df? ;) |
| [00:38:16] | Toxicity999: | bsdfox I do the same for me, just a script run by irexec |
| [00:38:19] | bsdfox: | Installed versions: 0.20.2_p14680(08:46:37 PM 10/27/2007) |
| [00:38:22] | BenB: | and don't tell me to upgrade, because it's almost identical situation since 4 years. |
| [00:38:23] | justinh: | 0.20a is like WHOAH how old? |
| [00:38:26] | bsdfox: | Toxicity999: same thing I setup |
| [00:38:35] | bsdfox: | lol |
| [00:38:35] | justinh: | there've been _heaps_ of fixes since then |
| [00:38:39] | Toxicity999: | I have two power buttons, ones tuned to the TV itself for power, and the other to my mythrun script |
| [00:38:51] | bsdfox: | benb doesn't want to update software but wants bugs fixed.. interesting |
| [00:38:52] | BULLE: | BenB: and the crashes are due to what ? ever enabled dumping and taken a quick look ? |
| [00:38:56] | BenB: | in fact, the very same bugs from 0.19 are still in 0.20, and there were like 8 months between them? |
| [00:39:29] | BenB: | bsdfox, justinh: *read*. same problems since *4 years*. trunk is not going to be any better. |
| [00:39:30] | Toxicity999: | the only annoying thing about my setup is the TV has to be on volume 100 (max) for it to me useful with my audio out to it... but when I flick over to input 1/2front for gaming or something I have to crnak it down to 25 |
| [00:39:45] | Toxicity999: | If I forget... |
| [00:39:46] | bsdfox: | what problems? |
| [00:39:49] | Toxicity999: | I wont the next time. |
| [00:40:12] | BULLE: | BenB: been using the same hardware for these 4 years, or same tv-tuner or same something ? |
| [00:40:13] | justinh: | BenB: I find it difficult to believe you didn't give up trying to impress your point too easily |
| [00:40:54] | bsdfox: | .20.2 has been pretty good for me |
| [00:40:54] | BenB: | bsdfox: read up... 0 length recordings or crashed from backend when no diskspace, but no error. frontend crashing or locking up on these very recordings. backend crashing on bad reception. frontend crashing literally every time I open the second recording. |
| [00:40:59] | BULLE: | bsdfox: same here |
| [00:41:02] | justinh: | and if you really do find the situation so untenable why even stay? |
| [00:41:19] | bsdfox: | BenB: sounds like you need to upgrade your software |
| [00:41:24] | justinh: | there _are_ other PVRs |
| [00:41:35] | BenB: | BULLE: no, 3 completely different system. different hardware, different distros, even different users (my parents and me). new config from scratch for all 3. |
| [00:41:35] | BULLE: | justinh: indeed, 4 years of hell should realy make you just go out and pay for win mce or something |
| [00:41:37] | Yahooadam: | BenB – as i said, i ran my backend for 4 days with a full HDD and it didnt crash |
| [00:41:42] | bsdfox: | what kernel are you running |
| [00:41:45] | BULLE: | BenB: scary then |
| [00:41:56] | BULLE: | BenB: you are jinxed most likely |
| [00:42:01] | BULLE: | time to repent ? |
| [00:42:07] | bsdfox: | or he's setting stuff up wrong :P |
| [00:42:12] | BULLE: | ye |
| [00:42:23] | BenB: | bsdfox, BULLE : yes, of *course* it must be me. |
| [00:42:24] | Toxicity999: | I wouldn't mind windows MCE that much if it weren't... for it running on windows, lol. |
| [00:42:24] | justinh: | jees after a week of late nights trying to patch a 2.6.9 kernel to get my dvb tuner worky I was ready to give up |
| [00:42:35] | BULLE: | i wont claim mythv never acts up on me, but i cant remember last time it did, so its not frequent |
| [00:42:40] | Yahooadam: | You read my mind Toxicity |
| [00:42:44] | justinh: | damn glad I never did though :) |
| [00:42:44] | BULLE: | lets say every 4 or 5 months, tops ? |
| [00:42:48] | BenB: | bsdfox,. BULLE : these systems have *nothing* in common objectively apart from using DVB maybe |
| [00:42:54] | Yahooadam: | i ran Win MCE for a year, and ive since changed to MythTV |
| [00:42:58] | Yahooadam: | nuff said methinks |
| [00:42:58] | bsdfox: | BenB: I haven't touched my backend in about 3 months and last time was to add another tuner |
| [00:43:08] | ** BenB stops arguing ** | |
| [00:43:10] | Toxicity999: | windows MCE itself isn't *that* bad, but I need something I can ssh in to in an unix environment.. |
| [00:43:11] | BULLE: | BenB: so, what about just enablind coredumping and analyze one of those crashes ? |
| [00:43:22] | bsdfox: | BULLE: why don't you just fix it instead |
| [00:43:27] | mzb_d800: | fwiw: mythtv-setup crashes when my video|recordings mount is full |
| [00:43:30] | BULLE: | bsdfox: fix what ? |
| [00:43:32] | BenB: | BULLE: why not just *rewrite* the whole thing? That's faster than fixing. |
| [00:43:35] | bsdfox: | benb's problems |
| [00:43:40] | Yahooadam: | Toxicity, or the fact you have to restart atleast once a week, preferably once a day if you dont want it to grind to a halt |
| [00:43:47] | justinh: | \/ignore is easier |
| [00:43:48] | Toxicity999: | I'll run VMware on the TV box and save the output files to an nfs share pointing to my linux underbelly and... XD |
| [00:43:50] | ** BenB shuts up ** | |
| [00:43:57] | BULLE: | bsdfox: well, untill he provides some coredump or something, that shows what his problems are, its pretty darn impossible to fix them |
| [00:44:06] | bsdfox: | haha, my point exactly |
| [00:44:07] | BULLE: | justinh: \o/ |
| [00:44:32] | Yahooadam: | mzb_d800 – thats certainly possible, i have to say i dont often run mythtv-setup when ive got mythtv working .... |
| [00:44:41] | Toxicity999: | I don't feel 1337 enough running windows MCE... anyone can do that. |
| [00:44:41] | justinh: | anyone wanna buy a 'socket 479' core2 duo T7100? |
| [00:44:41] | BULLE: | BenB: my car havent worked properly for 4 years, it doesnt start sometimes, why dont you fix it! |
| [00:44:51] | mzb_d800: | I've been moving tuners around |
| [00:45:08] | Yahooadam: | Orite Guys, enough bashing now .... |
| [00:45:21] | justinh: | been a bad vibes kinda day all round |
| [00:45:33] | BULLE: | well, atleast provide bugreports |
| [00:45:34] | Toxicity999: | mzb_d800 My advice: get more storage. Even if it weren't for the crashing if you're filling up, it's time to upgrade the Harddrives. |
| [00:45:37] | ** justinh waves a sharp stick at Intel ** | |
| [00:45:39] | BenB: | BULLE: is it possible that you use the same arguments on all people who complain? how do you know I have not supplied backtraces? |
| [00:45:42] | Yahooadam: | mzb_d800, when im around my mythbox i usually watch stuff, so theres usually a few gig free |
| [00:45:56] | BULLE: | BenB: because i asked you about the cause repeatedly, and you never answeared |
| [00:46:00] | Toxicity999: | I delete as I watch usually |
| [00:46:08] | Toxicity999: | I never have ued more than 50gb for myth recordings. |
| [00:46:08] | BULLE: | BenB: i asked if you had done any backtraces etc, and no reply |
| [00:46:19] | Toxicity999: | I rarely watch liveTV. |
| [00:46:31] | Toxicity999: | honestly it's grossly underused. |
| [00:46:32] | BULLE: | liveTV only comes into play when someone phones |
| [00:46:37] | Yahooadam: | i just wish mythtranscode would work for me :( would stretch my 500gb of space alot further |
| [00:46:50] | mzb_d800: | Toxicity999: I didn't say mythtv was crashing, I said mythtv-setup |
| [00:46:51] | bsdfox: | you can setup storage targets for livetv and put it on a smaller lv (assuming you use lvm) |
| [00:46:51] | BenB: | BULLE: maybe I have submitted some and they were ignored. maybe I have submitted patches and they were not accepted. maybe there are just *too many* bugs? |
| [00:47:00] | BenB: | again, this is a useless argument, let's stop |
| [00:47:05] | mzb_d800: | not replacing hdd ... just need a tidy-up |
| [00:47:07] | Yahooadam: | Toxicity999 i think im running as PVR, so i cant even get LiveTV :p |
| [00:47:08] | Toxicity999: | but it only cost me 50$ for the tuner and 12$ for various cables and adaptors... the hardware for the frontend I had kicking around, so I feel no remorse not using it 24/7 |
| [00:47:14] | BULLE: | BenB: no idea, i asked you, you never replied, i cant guess what you have done or havent done, you will have to tell me |
| [00:47:19] | BenB: | I have told the problems, very concretely. you can't blame me for being unspecific. |
| [00:47:32] | BULLE: | backend crashes ? |
| [00:47:34] | justinh: | I had a nasty failure once when I overstepped the mark deleting about 300GB of shows in one swoop. system ground to a halt so I panicked & reset the box. oops. db got trashed but luckily I had a backup. another time the partition the DB lives on got full. Thanks to the db restore it took 10 mins to sort out |
| [00:47:49] | Toxicity999: | Yahooadam my recording server is my desktop and I stream over LAN to the mythbox, it works pretty nicely =D |
| [00:47:53] | BenB: | BULLE: enough already! |
| [00:48:02] | Yahooadam: | he he |
| [00:48:03] | BULLE: | ye i agree that much |
| [00:48:08] | bsdfox: | BULLE: maybe he has no idea what he's talking about :P |
| [00:48:14] | bsdfox: | "maybe" I should say |
| [00:48:15] | Yahooadam: | my Backend is my Fileserver, and that streams to any frontend i want :) |
| [00:48:24] | Yahooadam: | my backend is in a shed outside :p |
| [00:48:28] | djbeenie_: | question: is there really any other capture card better than a pvr 150 card, for quality picture only? |
| [00:48:31] | BULLE: | he, "in shed outside" |
| [00:48:42] | justinh: | djbeenie_: if you want built-in mpeg encoding, NO |
| [00:48:45] | Yahooadam: | a waterproof shed ;) |
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| [00:48:54] | BULLE: | djbeenie_: not if you want to capture analog video or via analog tuner |
| [00:49:09] | justinh: | djbeenie_: and not really in terms of any other analogue capture device either |
| [00:49:11] | BULLE: | djbeenie_: if you got digital broadcasts where you live, then thats the way to go |
| [00:49:12] | djbeenie_: | im currently using svideo |
| [00:49:22] | BenB: | bsdfox: where's your patch? |
| [00:49:24] | hjohnson: | BULLE: unless all the digital broadcasts are encrypted |
| [00:49:30] | hjohnson: | like they are where I live. |
| [00:49:40] | Yahooadam: | djbeenie – i dont think theres anything especially better for svidieo |
| [00:49:46] | justinh: | djbeenie_: you know the default capture res. is 480x480. I felt that looked too much like VHS so I changed it to a higher one |
| [00:49:50] | djbeenie_: | BULLE, no I live way out in the boonies..no digital where i live haha |
| [00:49:53] | Yahooadam: | if you want digitl the Nova-T 500 kicks ass |
| [00:49:53] | BULLE: | hjohnson: oh, yeah, forgot about that, encryption doesnt matter here, as long as you pay for the access, you get access |
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| [00:50:24] | justinh: | BULLE: we have a word for that here. JAMMY |
| [00:50:29] | djbeenie_: | justinh, oh yeah..where can I change that..my quality is like that now |
| [00:50:34] | hjohnson: | BULLE: yeah, from what I understand, there is no unscrambled QAM on the cable, and most channels have the 5c flag set, so you can't dump 'em out via firewire either. |
| [00:50:53] | BULLE: | hjohnson: i dont live in the usa, i live in sweden, europe |
| [00:50:53] | justinh: | djbeenie_: utils/setup > setup > tv settings > recording profiles |
| [00:50:57] | Yahooadam: | in mythtvsetup djbeenie |
| [00:51:03] | justinh: | Yahooadam: wong! |
| [00:51:08] | Yahooadam: | or just listen to justinh :p |
| [00:51:19] | djbeenie_: | best way to go is ota...hacked...hahaha I didnt say that outloud did I? |
| [00:51:20] | justinh: | is that awful forum missing me yet btw? |
| [00:51:22] | bsdfox: | BenB: the only patches I wrote are for mythvideo and mytharchive |
| [00:51:23] | BULLE: | hjohnson: we use dvb here, so its just a matter of buying the right CAM, and insert it in your dvb-c card, and then insert smartcard, and then you can watch |
| [00:51:30] | hjohnson: | BULLE: it's even more restrictive in Canada, mostly because the govt has let the cable companies bend their customers over. |
| [00:51:47] | hjohnson: | BULLE: yeah, see, tha twould be smart, but we can't have intelligent stuff in north america. |
| [00:52:00] | bsdfox: | I haven't had the problems you have, and without a way to reproduce.. not much I can do |
| [00:52:01] | Phantom1000: | hjohnson: QAM is not always scrambled. Much of mine is, but I still get the OTA stations, TNT-HD and a few others |
| [00:52:17] | Yahooadam: | justinh – dunno, ive asked like 2 questions on it (in all time) and not had any decent answers |
| [00:52:34] | hjohnson: | Phantom1000: from what I have read, in the vancouver area, all the QAM on cable is scrambled. |
| [00:52:49] | justinh: | Yahooadam: I answered over 2000 posts & only ever had 2 replies to my problems. both were from laga IIRC |
| [00:52:51] | hjohnson: | Phantom1000: including the rebroadcasts of the OTA, since the cable company is not required ot send them unscrambled. |
| [00:52:56] | BenB: | bsdfox: yes... I didn't ask you, or in fact anybody, to fix the problems... I was just insulted by that "doesn't know what he's talking about" |
| [00:52:59] | BULLE: | heck, the two biggest cablecos here, even answeared my mails about using a htpc, they both basicly said, no, we dont support any equipment we dont provide, but we use qam64 or qam128 with dvb-c spec something in frequency range x-y and conax/viaacess encryption, so if you get such hardware, it will most likely work |
| [00:53:03] | hjohnson: | (they want you to buy, or better yet, rent, their box. |
| [00:53:11] | justinh: | Yahooadam: btw neither helped me either :P |
| [00:53:18] | Phantom1000: | hjohnson: Fair enough. I was being UScentrenic. |
| [00:53:25] | Yahooadam: | well justinh – if you know anything about mythtranscode, and can help me with my problem, i would love you :p |
| [00:53:36] | hjohnson: | BULLE: nice, I wish it was like that here. |
| [00:53:36] | djbeenie_: | justinh, what did you set yours too? |
| [00:53:41] | BULLE: | Yahooadam: five dorrah ? |
| [00:53:44] | BenB: | all I want to knwo, actually, is how the DVB driver API looks like :) |
| [00:53:51] | hjohnson: | BULLE: the sad part is, I work on the transmission side of the satellite biz... so I know most of this stuff inside and out |
| [00:53:56] | BenB: | and how to get DVB-S2 working with CA :) |
| [00:54:05] | justinh: | djbeenie_: for PAL, 720x576. for NTSC you'd do well to set it to 720x480 maybe |
| [00:54:16] | BULLE: | BenB: you would have to ask the linux dvb developers about that |
| [00:54:19] | ali1234: | BenB: the dvb driver api is handled by those #linuxtv guys |
| [00:54:28] | hjohnson: | we need to find a decent, compact, DVB-S2 modulator... haven't seen one small enough yet. |
| [00:54:28] | ali1234: | www.linuxtv.org |
| [00:54:36] | Yahooadam: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6671 if you think you can help me |
| [00:54:42] | hjohnson: | most of them are a 2U rack mount thing... |
| [00:54:44] | mzb_d800: | yay ... got lock ... signs of life! |
| [00:54:47] | BenB: | I know.... but #linuxtv is blissfully inactive |
| [00:55:00] | justinh: | hjohnson: seen the guy who made a DVB-T modulator with a VGA card? |
| [00:55:01] | BULLE: | BenB: so use their mailinglist ? search it, i bet it has been discussed earlier |
| [00:55:18] | hjohnson: | justinh: no, I didn't see that.. that would be an amazingly impressive hack. |
| [00:55:18] | ali1234: | or the wiki, or the repos... |
| [00:55:25] | djbeenie_: | justinh, 720h right? |
| [00:55:31] | justinh: | Yahooadam: looks like you didn't set up your transcoding profile |
| [00:55:37] | hjohnson: | (implementing the FEC, scrambling, and QPSK modulation would be quite a feat) |
| [00:55:52] | ali1234: | justinh: that was the same guy who wrote ffmpeg |
| [00:55:56] | justinh: | Yahooadam: the error about "Parser not found for Codec Id: 94210 ! " is nothing to worry about |
| [00:56:05] | justinh: | ali1234: I could well believe that |
| [00:56:20] | Yahooadam: | justinh – so goto frontend and mess with the transcoding profiles? |
| [00:56:21] | ali1234: | he also wrote a bunch of the code inside my linux stb |
| [00:56:27] | BenB: | justinh: wow |
| [00:56:39] | justinh: | Yahooadam: basically |
| [00:56:44] | BULLE: | ali1234: get him to write lots of code inside mythtv please |
| [00:56:49] | justinh: | http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/dvbt/ --- VGA card modulating DVB-T |
| [00:56:52] | BenB: | justinh: did he need any special hardware apart from the VGA card? |
| [00:57:11] | djbeenie_: | justinh, that's 720 in height right? |
| [00:57:12] | justinh: | BenB: nope |
| [00:57:17] | justinh: | djbeenie_: width |
| [00:57:17] | BenB: | heh, cool |
| [00:57:21] | ali1234: | BenB: it had to be a specific GPU that could generate stupid frequencies |
| [00:57:26] | djbeenie_: | justinh, thanks! |
| [00:57:39] | ali1234: | not just any basic VGA adapter from 15 years ago |
| [00:58:07] | BenB: | I think I've seen that a while ago. yes, very impressive, a true "hack". |
| [00:58:28] | ali1234: | here is the link for the lazy people: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/dvbt/ |
| [00:58:39] | ali1234: | oh damn you just posted it while i wasnt looking |
| [00:58:44] | Yahooadam: | as justinh just posted :p |
| [00:58:48] | Yahooadam: | damn ure too fast ;) |
| [00:59:52] | Yahooadam: | thats pretty cool :) |
| [01:00:10] | justinh: | hmm only 5154 page views in 4 days |
| [01:00:35] | hjohnson: | now, that's pretty cool. |
| [01:00:51] | justinh: | need another 'death of crazy frog' viral on a paying site |
| [01:01:13] | hjohnson: | now what would be cool is if you could program the GPU directly to do the modulation of an MPEG stream in realtime. |
| [01:01:34] | justinh: | hjohnson: what he did was pretty damn near |
| [01:01:42] | hjohnson: | spit an MPEG2 or MPEG4 stream at the GPU, have it modulate/error correct it, and dump it out the ramdac. |
| [01:02:01] | hjohnson: | justinh: not really, he's "just" using the framebuffer. |
| [01:02:19] | hjohnson: | justinh: don't get me wrong, it's an utterly amazing hack. |
| [01:02:25] | justinh: | no, he's modulating a DVB-T multiplex containing two services |
| [01:02:35] | justinh: | those services could easily contain moving mpeg |
| [01:02:35] | hjohnson: | but very far away from a realtime mpeg modulator. |
| [01:03:01] | Yahooadam: | isnt he just shunting X through his modulator |
| [01:03:06] | justinh: | no |
| [01:03:08] | hjohnson: | justinh: no. The "services" are generated by the display of a still image on the screen. |
| [01:03:39] | justinh: | ahh so |
| [01:03:46] | Yahooadam: | oh i see what he did |
| [01:03:49] | justinh: | still not a million miles away though |
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| [01:04:16] | justinh: | seriously clever guy |
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| [01:04:27] | hjohnson: | yeah, it's extremely clever. |
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| [01:04:47] | Yahooadam: | which codec should i use for mythtranscode? |
| [01:04:52] | hjohnson: | but if you were going to do this in realtime, the only way you could make the timing work is if you were to do the modulation on the video card itself to get the timing right. |
| [01:05:00] | Yahooadam: | rtjpeg or mpeg4? |
| [01:05:07] | hjohnson: | not rtjpeg |
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| [01:05:46] | my2keh: | say my PVR isn't booting |
| [01:05:52] | my2keh: | and I have it hooked up to a TV |
| [01:06:02] | my2keh: | but I want to hook it back up to my monitor |
| [01:06:03] | Yahooadam: | what do you mean – "Not Booting" |
| [01:06:08] | my2keh: | but can't see the BIOS screen |
| [01:06:22] | my2keh: | well I don't get any display on my TV, but 5 minutes ago I did |
| [01:06:26] | Yahooadam: | does it turn on, does it do the post beep? |
| [01:06:30] | hjohnson: | if it's not displaying the bios screen, it's probably pooched. |
| [01:06:31] | my2keh: | Yes and Ye |
| [01:06:32] | my2keh: | s |
| [01:06:33] | justinh: | I'd say check it's plugged in |
| [01:06:39] | my2keh: | it's plugged in |
| [01:06:47] | justinh: | and switched on |
| [01:06:52] | Yahooadam: | unplug all other screens, plug in your monitor, switch on |
| [01:06:54] | my2keh: | well it's set to display on TV only, and it never displayed the BIOS boot on the TV |
| [01:06:58] | Yahooadam: | you _should_ get the bios |
| [01:07:03] | Yahooadam: | if not, somthing is wrong |
| [01:07:11] | justinh: | try resetting the CMOS |
| [01:07:12] | my2keh: | hmmm but I set the BIOS uhh display out or something to be TV |
| [01:07:27] | justinh: | should restore it to a sane default where it'll work on VGA |
| [01:07:30] | Yahooadam: | if there isnt a TV it should default to monitor |
| [01:07:42] | my2keh: | hmm lemme try again |
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| [01:08:30] | Yahooadam: | assuming it notices the TV isnt there |
| [01:08:39] | justinh: | here's my mythtv related problem... my dog is called mythtv and he's not doing what I say all the time.. what's up with that? |
| [01:08:40] | Yahooadam: | most modern gfx cards should |
| [01:09:08] | justinh: | oh wait, I must need #doggy-training101 |
| [01:09:28] | Yahooadam: | id laugh if somone joined that right now :p |
| [01:09:41] | Yahooadam: | ofcourse i would have to be there to know ... :o |
| [01:09:42] | BenB: | Yahooadam: laugh |
| [01:10:19] | justinh: | mythtv-users, twinned with #computing-101 and #alt-humor (sic) |
| [01:11:14] | hgait: | Hi All does any one know much about foxtel to mythtv i cant get a very good picture from the s-vido in put ?? |
| [01:11:36] | justinh: | jees. you can't make this stuff up: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7095134.stm |
| [01:12:05] | BenB: | justinh: how's the situation in the US these days? |
| [01:12:14] | Toxicity999: | Man those Logitech harmony remotes are bitchin' |
| [01:12:15] | Yahooadam: | does anyone know what the default transcoder profile settings are? |
| [01:12:29] | Yahooadam: | or suggestions for sensible sdtv high/medium/low settings |
| [01:12:41] | justinh: | BenB: same as ever I expect. teetering on WW3 |
| [01:12:52] | BenB: | justinh: are you still locked into the digital settop boxen from the cable providers which won't give you a digital MPEg stream,but you have to record via analog + remote control sender to tune? |
| [01:13:10] | justinh: | BenB: heh yeah. sucky sucky long time |
| [01:13:14] | Yahooadam: | wtf justinh |
| [01:13:18] | BenB: | is that the case for most people? |
| [01:13:25] | justinh: | BenB: same for all the UK |
| [01:13:25] | BenB: | justinh: yes, I pity you, seriously. |
| [01:13:36] | justinh: | I wouldn't. we're not missing much |
| [01:13:38] | BenB: | justinh: no, you can get DVB-T in UK |
| [01:13:44] | justinh: | BenB: duh |
| [01:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | umm justinh is in the UK :) |
| [01:14:03] | GreyFoxx: | not the US |
| [01:14:09] | Yahooadam: | and i am aswell ;) |
| [01:14:17] | justinh: | there'a FA worth paying for on paytv. on DVB-T, so much to watch I need 3 tuners |
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| [01:14:26] | BenB: | justinh: oh...? I thought DVB-T was available in almost the whole country? |
| [01:14:26] | Yahooadam: | and i use one of those sucky analogue recorders and remote control sender to tune ;) |
| [01:14:42] | BenB: | justinh: I see. |
| [01:14:48] | Yahooadam: | it _should_ be availible in the _whole_ country |
| [01:14:58] | justinh: | no it shouldn't |
| [01:15:04] | Yahooadam: | i though the UK had complete terrestrial coverage already? |
| [01:15:15] | Yahooadam: | one of the things we did right back in the day .... |
| [01:15:16] | justinh: | in areas that don't yet have running water & electricity – wtf do they need Freeview for? |
| [01:15:17] | BenB: | justinh, Yahooadam: I assume you can't install DVB-S? |
| [01:15:30] | Yahooadam: | legally ... no |
| [01:15:30] | justinh: | BenB: FA worth having on DVB-S |
| [01:15:36] | Yahooadam: | oh |
| [01:15:41] | Yahooadam: | yes you can |
| [01:15:57] | Yahooadam: | but its the same as DVB-T (the legal stuff) and no better quality |
| [01:16:05] | BenB: | justinh: no running water? you're kidding? |
| [01:16:05] | Yahooadam: | and its a pain in the ass to use satalites |
| [01:16:22] | justinh: | I'm velly happily usiming three dvb-t tuners with miffyteevee right now. and no sucky sucky paytv |
| [01:16:48] | Yahooadam: | i use 2 DVB-T tuners and a sly STB with analogue |
| [01:17:18] | justinh: | the only thing we kept cabletv paid-for channels for was the Discovery Channel. I soon found you can easily watch too many episodes of mythbusters & 'how it's made' |
| [01:17:20] | Yahooadam: | then again im more of a fan of the regurgitated US broadcast's then boring BBC |
| [01:17:39] | ali1234: | i wouldnt even consider recording as low quality as s video |
| [01:17:52] | Yahooadam: | you can never watch too many episodes of mythbusters/how its made/how do they do it |
| [01:17:52] | BenB: | justinh: hehe, because start making experiments yourself? :) |
| [01:18:09] | BenB: | ali1234: same here, that's why I ask. |
| [01:18:16] | justinh: | BenB: no, it just got lame very quickly |
| [01:18:22] | BenB: | ali1234: I would not go analog anymore, period. |
| [01:18:32] | BenB: | justinh: I see. |
| [01:18:41] | ali1234: | then get a dvb-t budget card and enjoy |
| [01:18:47] | ali1234: | (in the uk) |
| [01:18:49] | BenB: | ali1234: I'd rather stop watching TV :) |
| [01:19:01] | ali1234: | er |
| [01:19:14] | justinh: | from the country that practically frickin _invented_ television, we're not even guarateed to get _any_ free to air HDTV or anything we can access with MythTV legally |
| [01:19:18] | BenB: | ali1234: I'm fine, I'm just asking what the situation is around the world. how many people can record DVB traight |
| [01:19:22] | BenB: | straight |
| [01:19:51] | ali1234: | i get the feeling that a lot of people are still using analogue capture cards |
| [01:20:09] | Yahooadam: | personally, i dont really mind |
| [01:20:11] | justinh: | I get the feeling I couldn't give a flying f. about those people ;) |
| [01:20:18] | ali1234: | either than or a large portion of the docs are quite badly out of date |
| [01:20:33] | Yahooadam: | then again my eyes have probably been raped by constant viewing of poor quality Terrestrial SDTV |
| [01:20:36] | justinh: | there are docs?! |
| [01:20:47] | BenB: | justinh: tell me about it. I'm german, we get 2 main channels (pro 7 and sat.1), and some paytv (premiere HD), and I even pay for it, and I even have a DVB-S2 card, even with kind of oworkinglinux driver, but can'T get it to work with mythtv :) |
| [01:20:59] | ali1234: | sorry. i meant "random howtos i found on google" |
| [01:21:25] | justinh: | ali1234: aka Unclued Jimbob's guide to 'howto done got miffyteevee worky' |
| [01:21:46] | justinh: | more commonly known as 'blog pages' |
| [01:21:48] | ali1234: | well actually the one i found that was targetted to the UK was quite good |
| [01:21:56] | justinh: | parker1.co.uk |
| [01:22:03] | justinh: | not perfect though |
| [01:22:12] | justinh: | close enough if you have a brain |
| [01:22:33] | BenB: | hey, If I had a brain, I'd not watch TV, right? |
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| [01:22:50] | justinh: | BenB: when I say HDTV you can record with mythtv legally I mean streams that aren't encrippled with a system you can't legally buy a CAM for |
| [01:23:07] | Yahooadam: | justinh – changed recording profiles – http://pastebin.com/d50664b6d |
| [01:23:19] | justinh: | damn Murdoch & his locking-in ways |
| [01:23:23] | BenB: | justinh: I fail to see how a CAM can be illegal, if you have a valid subscription, but fine. |
| [01:23:51] | justinh: | BenB: they don't licence the encripplement to anybody |
| [01:23:58] | justinh: | it's a _closed_ system |
| [01:24:10] | justinh: | you only get a CAM with approved STBs |
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| [01:24:23] | mytookie: | hmm is boot disk failure a bad thing? LOL |
| [01:24:30] | Yahooadam: | marginally |
| [01:24:33] | BenB: | justinh: FWIW, I am subcribed to Premiere, and they of course don't support this at all, but you can get CAMs on the free market, they are sold in normal, big, legal web stores. |
| [01:24:34] | justinh: | you get the TV from them, using their approved gear or not at all, legally |
| [01:24:46] | mytookie: | heh ohhh it put my SATA as the last boot device |
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| [01:24:56] | justinh: | BenB: not with Sky. they use NDS Skycrypt or something. |
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| [01:25:08] | BenB: | justinh: sucks |
| [01:25:16] | justinh: | that's capitalism for ya |
| [01:25:31] | BenB: | justinh: but there are CAM sold commercially? they are just said to be illegal? |
| [01:26:06] | justinh: | BenB: unlicenced ones, yes. big snag with them is the card needs to be refreshed in an approved STB every once in a while |
| [01:26:07] | BenB: | justinh: capitalism would be to do what the user wants, i.e. let him do. this is oligopolism (hollywood) |
| [01:26:28] | BenB: | justinh: unlicensed != illegal |
| [01:26:50] | justinh: | yes but unlicensed == against the T&Cs of the service agreement with the provider |
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| [01:27:05] | BenB: | my CAM is not "licensed", but legal. it's my business. I don't pirate, because I actually pay, I just opt to use my own equipment. |
| [01:27:26] | mytookie: | wonder how long it's going to take to scan ~700GB's of drive hmm |
| [01:27:28] | BenB: | justinh: T&C is again a different thing, not necessarily illegal. |
| [01:27:43] | BenB: | (the T&C themselves may be illegal by forbidding this) |
| [01:28:17] | usererro1: | iamlindoro – my remote is working great minus a few buttons I can't find key commands for. |
| [01:28:20] | justinh: | I could theoretically buy a DVB-C card and CAM compatible with my cable subscription & use that with mythtv but I'd be breaking the cable co's T&Cs and risk being disconnected and maybe sued |
| [01:28:39] | justinh: | don't really wanna be a test case in court |
| [01:28:51] | justinh: | Yahooadam: might be a streamy problem then |
| [01:29:04] | BenB: | justinh: oh... if it's just that, I'd not care. most likely the T&C are not enforcable ( = a court would agree with you, not the provider) |
| [01:29:21] | BenB: | justinh: plus, the provider simply doesn't know. |
| [01:29:27] | BenB: | there's no back channel, is there? |
| [01:29:35] | justinh: | Yahooadam: what I do when mythtranscode fails is shove a file thru ffmpeg first (ffmpeg -i $filename -acodec copy -vcodec copy $outfile) & see if that helps |
| [01:29:41] | justinh: | BenB: yup there is |
| [01:29:49] | BenB: | justinh: duh dah |
| [01:30:01] | Yahooadam: | -acdoec would be like -amp3 ? |
| [01:30:07] | BenB: | justinh: well, if you're fine with goign via analog – your thing |
| [01:30:23] | BenB: | justinh: thanks for the info |
| [01:30:39] | justinh: | Yahooadam: no, use 'copy' to keep it intact. all that command will do is strip everything except the primary audio & video out |
| [01:30:53] | ali1234: | NTL wern't exactly well known for looking after their network... |
| [01:30:56] | justinh: | BenB: I stopped using analogue a few months ago. |
| [01:31:19] | justinh: | ali1234: not the point though is it? |
| [01:31:28] | BenB: | justinh: what do you do now? cancelled your paytv subscription, because discovery channel's mythbuster is boring? |
| [01:31:40] | BenB: | (I agree, I also have discovery channel and never wathced it) |
| [01:31:46] | justinh: | yeah we cancelled the paytv & only have the basic package now |
| [01:32:02] | BenB: | justinh: so much for capitalism ;-) |
| [01:32:08] | Yahooadam: | in all fairness, i mainly have Sky for Sky1, MTV, and paramount comedy |
| [01:32:14] | Yahooadam: | everything else is on freeview |
| [01:32:24] | justinh: | paramount comedy used to be good |
| [01:32:46] | Yahooadam: | them and E4 are the main channels |
| [01:32:51] | Yahooadam: | and Discovery :p |
| [01:32:53] | Yahooadam: | that i watch |
| [01:33:00] | BenB: | Yahooadam: MTV is watchable in the UK? MTV Germany is Jamba! (ringtone) advertizing interupted with "who get's the girl/boy?" shows |
| [01:33:10] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [01:33:14] | Yahooadam: | the joys of mythtv ;) |
| [01:33:19] | Yahooadam: | commflag = win |
| [01:33:20] | ali1234: | yeah it's the same in the UK |
| [01:33:24] | ** justinh used to hate Jamba with an insane passion ** | |
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| [01:33:47] | mytookie: | is it possible to cancel the scan of a harddrive? |
| [01:33:53] | justinh: | Yahooadam: ever try to record South Park from MTV? their lineup used to be way screwed up |
| [01:33:55] | Yahooadam: | justinh – that worked, but i did have to install ffmpeg to do it .... |
| [01:33:57] | mytookie: | like during the bootup? |
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| [01:34:00] | Toxicity999: | Eh, my selection of XvMC for my only all encompassing video playback mode doesn't seem to cover MythVideo with internal player... any ideas? |
| [01:34:04] | Yahooadam: | Works fine for me justinh |
| [01:34:09] | BenB: | justinh: but then verisgn bought it and now you like them, because they are "secure"? |
| [01:34:10] | Yahooadam: | 5 mins of adverts pads it nicely :p |
| [01:34:13] | justinh: | Yahooadam: not all the time |
| [01:34:24] | Yahooadam: | they arent usually over 5 mins behind |
| [01:34:33] | Yahooadam: | plus i have 2 mins extra if possible |
| [01:34:41] | ali1234: | Toxicity999: XvMC only handles MPEG2 currently, i think |
| [01:34:41] | justinh: | BenB: no, the Crazy Frog got over-exposed & eventually vanished |
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| [01:34:54] | justinh: | Yahooadam: I mean like wrong show kind of screwed up |
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| [01:35:16] | Yahooadam: | cant say ive had a problem with that |
| [01:35:28] | Toxicity999: | ali1234 Really? That's unfortunate =/ |
| [01:35:43] | ** BenB is on record to have Jamba! with a passion as well ** | |
| [01:35:43] | justinh: | maybe it had the wrong xmltv.. didn't have time to test over 150 channels |
| [01:35:46] | ** Toxicity999 double-checks the format. ** | |
| [01:35:46] | BenB: | hate |
| [01:36:24] | djbeenie_: | question: if I wanted to record family guy...anything that comes with the title family guys..what option would it need to be set at? |
| [01:36:29] | Toxicity999: | MPEg-4 encoded, dun dun dun. |
| [01:36:33] | justinh: | BenB: at its peak, adverts with the Crazy Frog were on TV twice or 3 times per ad break, and that was before I got my wife to record all her shows (I don't watch much commercial TV) |
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| [01:37:01] | BenB: | mah |
| [01:37:04] | Yahooadam: | djbeenie – mythweb ftw :) |
| [01:37:12] | Yahooadam: | its easy peasy to do somthing like that in mythweb |
| [01:37:27] | djbeenie_: | Yahooadam, i have mythweb :) |
| [01:37:36] | Yahooadam: | then just search family guy |
| [01:37:39] | Yahooadam: | find the first showing |
| [01:37:53] | Yahooadam: | then select the last option in the radio buttons (record at any time on any channel) |
| [01:38:03] | jheizer_treo: | have |
| [01:38:16] | BenB: | frankly, the ringtone advertizing, even jumpting into the picture, is what tripped me over the edge. I noticed that I don't miss stargate all that much. |
| [01:38:33] | BenB: | free tv stations are really killing themselves in germany |
| [01:38:37] | djbeenie_: | Yahooadam, thank you ! |
| [01:39:10] | justinh: | if any of you guys ever saw the vid of Crazy Frog going splat! in a microwave, that was mine |
| [01:39:31] | BenB: | haha |
| [01:39:54] | ** BenB searches for it ** | |
| [01:40:01] | BenB: | or do you have a URL? |
| [01:40:02] | justinh: | my ISP said it did over 15GB traffic in a day (little 1.2MB wmv) so they took it down |
| [01:40:11] | BenB: | lol |
| [01:40:28] | jheizer_treo: | haha |
| [01:40:30] | BenB: | tells something :) |
| [01:40:36] | justinh: | heheh it's on youtube of course |
| [01:40:37] | BenB: | justinh: URL? |
| [01:40:38] | justinh: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO84S9hy1-0 |
| [01:40:40] | Yahooadam: | hey guys, in your sql database, table recordingprofiles – do you have a load of profiles with null for the videocodec/audiocodec? |
| [01:40:47] | justinh: | this was all a long time b4 youtube though |
| [01:41:18] | BenB: | justinh: lol! |
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| [01:41:26] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
| [01:41:29] | BenB: | that's an awesome production |
| [01:41:38] | justinh: | BenB: I did another where Sweety the CHick jumped up and.. |
| [01:41:41] | ** justinh uploads ** | |
| [01:42:00] | usererro1: | does anyone have a link for all the keys used by the remotes? i can't find the correct 'commands' for my Guide, Pictures, Music, etc buttons. |
| [01:42:13] | justinh: | hmm cant find it |
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| [01:42:21] | usererro1: | is it even possible to press "Music" while in LiveTV and have it go directly to the Music menu? |
| [01:42:28] | BenB: | justinh: I can host both, if you want. I assume it won't get that much traffic anymore. |
| [01:42:43] | justinh: | BenB: can't find the chick video |
| [01:42:58] | BenB: | justinh: and the crazy frog original? |
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| [01:43:42] | Yahooadam: | [mpeg2video @ 0xb72212e8]Warning MVs not available |
| [01:44:20] | justinh: | BenB: can't find that either. backed it up onto HDD somewhere.. |
| [01:45:31] | jheizer_treo: | that sucks |
| [01:47:10] | BenB: | no, it splashes! |
| [01:47:38] | bryanl: | is having only 256MB for the backend a good number, or should i get more? |
| [01:48:22] | ** jheizer_treo can't see the video so I wouldn't know ** | |
| [01:48:37] | BenB: | I'd recommend at least 512MB (or even 1GB to cover for leaks) |
| [01:48:55] | Toxicity999: | Thar we go, XvMC for LiveTV res'd recordings and Optimal LibMpeg2 settings for everything else, which is flawless for normal bitrate torrented video (mainly anime anywho) |
| [01:49:01] | BenB: | jheizer_treo: not even via youtubex.com + mplayer? |
| [01:49:09] | Yahooadam: | i have 1gb, usually use ~510MB ish |
| [01:49:16] | Yahooadam: | seeing how cheap 1gb is, go with 1gb |
| [01:49:20] | jheizer_treo: | well, didn't try |
| [01:49:25] | BenB: | bryanl: RAM is *very* cheap at the moment. it's a good idea to buy more than you need right now. |
| [01:49:29] | Yahooadam: | its not worth saving like 20MB |
| [01:49:33] | Yahooadam: | £10 even |
| [01:49:35] | BenB: | like 25 Eur for 1 GB. |
| [01:49:38] | Yahooadam: | my brain is dead lol |
| [01:49:56] | jheizer_treo: | I would say 512 or greator just for it to run nice and not too expensive |
| [01:50:17] | Yahooadam: | id say 1gb beacause its great value for money atm |
| [01:50:35] | Yahooadam: | and i suspect you will use ~500MB so a bit of buffer is good |
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| [01:50:49] | ** justinh bought 1GB so-dimm DDR2 for £17 the other day ** | |
| [01:51:08] | Yahooadam: | jeez did it fall off a lorry :p |
| [01:51:29] | justinh: | nope. www.aria.co.uk |
| [01:51:33] | BenB: | I just bought 4x1GB of infineon (qimonda / aereon), just because they are so cheap. |
| [01:51:47] | roothorick: | What capture card should I be getting if I want my MythTV box to work in 2010? |
| [01:51:50] | roothorick: | (yeah, I live in the states) |
| [01:51:56] | jheizer_treo: | gotta love a crap load of ram |
| [01:52:15] | Yahooadam: | i remember my 2GB of ram being like £200 |
| [01:53:18] | black_Nightmare_: | they have 2.5" 5400rpm 100gb for only $79cad+tax here..I keep wondering if the days of 3.5" drives are almost outdated yet :p |
| [01:53:36] | ** black_Nightmare_ is going purchase one tomorrow to fix my laptop but this has me thinking about getting one for my a/v desktop ** | |
| [01:53:57] | Yahooadam: | black_Nightmare – phail at substring 5400rpm |
| [01:54:02] | NightMonkey: | Are the major U.S. sat/cable providers going all-HDTV in 2010? |
| [01:54:10] | Toxicity999: | I got a 250gb SATA awhile back for 50 something |
| [01:54:19] | justinh: | Yahooadam: www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/images/sweety.wmv and www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/images/crazytony.wmv |
| [01:54:21] | Yahooadam: | i got a 500GB Sata300 for £54 |
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| [01:55:13] | black_Nightmare_: | substring? |
| [01:55:13] | Yahooadam: | you werent sending them to me justinh ;) |
| [01:55:21] | djbeenie_: | question: is there any reason why myth is not skipping my commercials? |
| [01:55:32] | Yahooadam: | you havent set it up to |
| [01:55:33] | Toxicity999: | justinh Oooo Glass was released eh? I'll have to give it a whirl. |
| [01:55:44] | ** Toxicity999 is always out of date. ** | |
| [01:55:51] | justinh: | Toxicity999: yeah like a day early |
| [01:56:11] | justinh: | hehe I found that clip of outside the toilet where the characters on the sign get busy |
| [01:56:16] | black_Nightmare_: | yahooadam... 'phail at substring' ...? |
| [01:56:20] | Toxicity999: | Sweet I saw the initial screenshots, my shoddy svideo will do a number on it though, heh. |
| [01:56:50] | justinh: | if you like it, feel free to send me a Mac Mini |
| [01:56:58] | Yahooadam: | lol justinh – like the sweety one :D |
| [01:57:18] | justinh: | I got hate mail for that one |
| [01:57:23] | Toxicity999: | justinh Lol. I'm going to be crushing it used on a 4:3 with horrible Svideo encoding, so prepare for your baby to be ravaged. |
| [01:57:26] | djbeenie_: | Yahooadam, is it the setting start auto-commerial flagging jobs when the recording starts? b/c that is set |
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| [01:57:39] | Yahooadam: | black_Nightmare – 5400rpm drives are still very slow |
| [01:57:55] | Yahooadam: | bjbeenie – not its a setting that tells mythtv what to do about skipping commercials |
| [01:57:56] | Yahooadam: | 2 secs |
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| [01:58:14] | ** Toxicity999 loves ssh'ing in to his mythbox with nautilus ;P ** | |
| [01:58:24] | justinh: | hahaha I still have the 'mythnoob' video. I promised not to let that one out again though |
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| [01:58:47] | BenB: | the videos justinh talked about: http://download.bucksch.org/misc/ |
| [01:58:49] | Yahooadam: | Utils/Setup -> Setup -> TV settings -> PlayBack |
| [01:59:03] | BenB: | jheizer_treo: ^ |
| [01:59:06] | Yahooadam: | Automatically Skip Commercials -> default: off |
| [01:59:18] | Yahooadam: | change it to "Automatically Skip" |
| [01:59:28] | Yahooadam: | its like the 7th page or somthing |
| [01:59:48] | Yahooadam: | ooo go-on justinh :p |
| [02:00:02] | black_Nightmare_: | yahooadam...umm say who? I'm like 100% 5400rpm (hm maybe not....I'm not even sure whatever hd is inside that slight-vintage laptop anyhow) here |
| [02:00:12] | jheizer_treo: | well hot damn. thanks |
| [02:00:24] | Yahooadam: | 7200 makes a big difference |
| [02:00:26] | justinh: | Yahooadam: remember the clip of the German kid who had problems with anger management trying to get a game to load? I subbed that |
| [02:00:32] | Yahooadam: | you wouldnt think it |
| [02:00:41] | Yahooadam: | lol justinh :p |
| [02:00:50] | black_Nightmare_: | never seen any issue yet...the only one slowdown I've ever found was the motherboard's udma controller regarding cdrw burning speed |
| [02:00:55] | Yahooadam: | Toxicity999 |
| [02:01:13] | jheizer_treo: | give me somethnbg to watch on this boring train |
| [02:01:14] | ** Yahooadam loves SSH'ing into his box with a virtual network adapter and running mythfrontend over the tunnel ** | |
| [02:01:30] | Toxicity999: | haha |
| [02:01:31] | Toxicity999: | yea |
| [02:01:44] | Yahooadam: | its quite easy actually |
| [02:01:45] | djbeenie_: | Yahooadam, ahh thanks..that got it! :0 |
| [02:02:02] | Yahooadam: | sudo ifconfig eth0:1 ip.of.myth.backend |
| [02:02:03] | BenB: | Yahooadam: you can't play video this way, can you? |
| [02:02:16] | Yahooadam: | theoretically, yes BenB |
| [02:02:29] | Yahooadam: | if you have enough bandwidth to upload the video |
| [02:02:30] | BenB: | oh, just the stream... yeah, that should work |
| [02:02:47] | Yahooadam: | or stream or whatever |
| [02:02:52] | BenB: | I thought you ran mythfrontend remotely and forward X11 |
| [02:02:54] | Yahooadam: | however, not many people have 5mbit upload :p |
| [02:03:08] | Yahooadam: | no, ssh tunnel's :) |
| [02:03:13] | BenB: | Yahooadam: VDSL gives you that. |
| [02:03:25] | BenB: | Yahooadam: yes, you can do X11 over SSH |
| [02:03:34] | Yahooadam: | yes but thats horrific |
| [02:03:38] | Toxicity999: | justinh Damn, nice job with this. I personally certify it to look fine on 4:2 as well, lol. |
| [02:03:45] | Yahooadam: | much better to stream the video over the internet |
| [02:03:47] | BenB: | Yahooadam: yup. |
| [02:03:49] | Toxicity999: | Welcome to my new standard theme. |
| [02:04:12] | justinh: | I keep saying gimme a Mac Mini & I'll do a 4:3 version. people must think I'm kidding :P |
| [02:04:20] | BenB: | haha |
| [02:04:27] | Toxicity999: | justinh hey 16:9 on 4:3 works for me fine ;) |
| [02:04:46] | Toxicity999: | And those are like what 10 cents now? the old ones which still have some power. |
| [02:05:00] | justinh: | has to be a core2 duo model |
| [02:05:04] | Toxicity999: | Pffft |
| [02:05:22] | BenB: | I am considering to get one, too. |
| [02:05:29] | Toxicity999: | Can't I just send some form of hallucination with it to make you think things are moving fast? |
| [02:05:35] | Yahooadam: | how much are they juski? |
| [02:05:39] | Toxicity999: | I won't just speed up your computer, I'll speed up your world O_O |
| [02:05:41] | justinh: | Yahooadam: bout £400 |
| [02:05:44] | Yahooadam: | ouchies |
| [02:05:47] | Toxicity999: | Lol. |
| [02:05:52] | Toxicity999: | Indeed. |
| [02:05:53] | Yahooadam: | then again, if its a C2D not really that bad |
| [02:05:58] | BenB: | just that jobs it tripping me off too much right now, and bad experiences with their guarantee, not even doing the minimum required by law !) |
| [02:06:00] | jheizer_treo: | lmao @ the frog videos |
| [02:06:15] | Yahooadam: | cheapest PC i could build was £120 |
| [02:06:17] | Toxicity999: | In all seriousness, the 16 9 looks just find on 4 3 IMO. |
| [02:06:19] | justinh: | Yahooadam: just snagged a c2d 1.8ghz mobile chip for £50 |
| [02:06:25] | jheizer_treo: | thanks again for the link BenB |
| [02:06:29] | Toxicity999: | But I won't tell anyone, so they think they need to send you a mini. |
| [02:06:32] | Toxicity999: | Heh. |
| [02:06:53] | BenB: | jheizer_treo: no problem. thank justinh :) |
| [02:06:55] | Toxicity999: | Those T series core2's go for pennies on ebay these days |
| [02:06:57] | BenB: | I'M just the postman |
| [02:07:14] | justinh: | Yahooadam: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . T&ih=020 |
| [02:07:15] | jheizer_treo: | yeah and his awesome videos |
| [02:07:19] | Toxicity999: | I wish socket 755 desktop models followed suite. |
| [02:07:41] | justinh: | Yahooadam: spanky new FE for less than the price of a lame Epia |
| [02:07:59] | Yahooadam: | i built a Full PC for ~£120 |
| [02:08:06] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm..almost forgot one thing... |
| [02:08:11] | justinh: | careful which CPU you get though, not all 'socket 479' CPUs are alike |
| [02:08:17] | djbeenie_: | question: im searching for "house" on mythweb...i get this error: Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) in /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/modules/tv/search.php on line 33 |
| [02:08:18] | mzb_d800: | justinh: if 4:3 users had enough $ to give you a mac-mini, why wouldn't they just upgrade to 16:9 ? :) |
| [02:08:19] | Yahooadam: | prolly a bit expensive for what it is tbh |
| [02:08:22] | justinh: | Yahooadam: bet it's not silent though |
| [02:08:26] | black_Nightmare_: | are slim hds usually always stuck into master jumper mode or ? |
| [02:08:36] | Yahooadam: | its pretty quite, but not silent |
| [02:08:40] | justinh: | black_Nightmare_: depends on the cable I think |
| [02:08:46] | Yahooadam: | quiet # |
| [02:08:49] | BenB: | justinh: happen to know whether the currnt minis are powerful enough to play mpeg4 on linux? |
| [02:08:52] | justinh: | mzb_d800: damn! ;) |
| [02:08:55] | Toxicity999: | How exactly do I get myth to recognize more QT style again? Specifically what packages if Ubuntu specific, Qt is not my ally. It's generally just sort of happened on my desktops. |
| [02:08:58] | Yahooadam: | its quieter then my Main PC |
| [02:09:00] | BenB: | esp. gfx card which is onboard |
| [02:09:01] | Toxicity999: | *styles. |
| [02:09:15] | Toxicity999: | Well or debian unstable package names I suppose. |
| [02:09:18] | justinh: | BenB: they will be once threaded playback makes it to mythtv properly, so I'm told |
| [02:09:47] | BenB: | justinh: hoh... does ffmpeg / mplayer / xine already support it? |
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| [02:10:00] | justinh: | BenB: in CVS I think |
| [02:10:15] | Yahooadam: | Justinh – Abit LG95Z, Shitty Case, 2.6Ghz Celeron, 512mb ram (corsair) DLink 10/100 nic 80gb Maxtor |
| [02:10:18] | black_Nightmare_: | justin..ah hm so a slim hd with 2.5–3.5" adapter (I think its the usual startech ones, will have to see when I check store tomorrow afternoon) maybe possible could be utilized in two hds on one single channel? |
| [02:10:22] | BenB: | justinh: cool... |
| [02:10:24] | ** black_Nightmare_ is just asking ** | |
| [02:10:30] | Yahooadam: | shitty case w/400W PSU |
| [02:10:35] | justinh: | BenB: wouldn't count on it |
| [02:10:46] | justinh: | oops.. that was for black_Nightmare_ |
| [02:10:55] | ** justinh has just seen the time.. eek! ** | |
| [02:11:01] | jheizer_treo: | haha |
| [02:11:02] | Yahooadam: | yeah i was thinking the same |
| [02:11:02] | justinh: | time for bed.. like 2 hours ago |
| [02:11:09] | justinh: | night night all |
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| [02:11:13] | jheizer_treo: | early here |
| [02:11:17] | BenB: | justdave: nig.... eh |
| [02:11:21] | jheizer_treo: | so must be really hate there |
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| [02:11:42] | Yahooadam: | 2:11 |
| [02:11:48] | BenB: | uhm.... I didn't mean justdave, but funny to see you here! |
| [02:11:53] | justdave: | heh |
| [02:12:04] | black_Nightmare_: | hehe hm... *wonders about my question again* |
| [02:12:05] | black_Nightmare_: | :p |
| [02:12:16] | jheizer_treo: | haha |
| [02:12:32] | Yahooadam: | gnite all |
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| [02:13:23] | jheizer_treo: | nite |
| [02:13:36] | BenB: | night :) |
| [02:14:27] | black_Nightmare_: | guess I always could just use a single 100gb on the primary .. probably more than plenty enough anyway :p |
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| [02:24:33] | black_Nightmare_: | hm gone quiet in here |
| [02:26:46] | kdubya: | until you ruined it |
| [02:26:53] | black_Nightmare_: | heh why? :P |
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| [02:27:59] | jheizer_treo: | ha |
| [02:28:16] | jheizer_treo: | I finally got back to coding |
| [02:28:32] | jheizer_treo: | too much to watch on thw phone and code at the same time |
| [02:28:54] | Toxicity999: | I love the transparent OSD on this too, great for anime with Subs. |
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| [02:29:34] | squidly: | ok.. this is strange. mythvideo is now using an external play for videos |
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| [02:33:35] | black_Nightmare_: | does anyone here know about matrox cards? |
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| [02:34:44] | jheizer_treo: | not me |
| [02:35:59] | black_Nightmare_: | hm damn |
| [02:36:31] | black_Nightmare_: | just only now noticed someone is selling a RT2000 card for very little $ (no software cd or manual) locally -_- |
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| [02:39:14] | black_Nightmare_: | hm where's that mythtv card list again to check |
| [02:39:58] | kormoc: | roothorick, Keep in mind, the 'analog cut-off' only applies to broadcast tv. Cable companies don't have to stop offering analog cable and are unlikely to actually fully drop it anytime soon |
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| [02:45:54] | derek123698: | Hello all. I am having a hard time getting xvmc working with my via pm800 onboard video. I have a frontend output with -v playback here: http://pastebin.com/m22a7df85. I have tried many things to no avail. can anyone please help? |
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| [02:47:11] | stoth: | hi |
| [02:47:31] | black_Nightmare_: | hm guess I'll try ask about the odd matrox+realmagic cards and see what goes then |
| [02:47:31] | stoth: | Anyone have comcast for digital cable into myth? |
| [02:47:54] | kormoc: | derek123698, seems like the box is just too slow |
| [02:48:03] | kormoc: | hence all the video behind audio errors |
| [02:48:33] | derek123698: | kormoc: i forgot to mention, it play back flawlessly in xine. |
| [02:49:00] | justdave: | is there a command-line way to add videos to the MythVideo database? |
| [02:49:11] | kormoc: | negative justdave |
| [02:49:14] | justdave: | (equivalent to going into the Video Manager in the GUI) |
| [02:49:33] | justdave: | seems like it would be useful. |
| [02:49:34] | kdubya: | just set mythvideo to browse the filesystem |
| [02:49:51] | kormoc: | justdave, feel free to submit patches |
| [02:50:22] | justdave: | yeah, I know, I tried to reverse-engineer what mythvideo was doing in the scan process at one point, didn't get very far. |
| [02:50:31] | derek123698: | the playback is strange, the left third shows bands from the right third and visa versa |
| [02:50:48] | justdave: | my original thought was to try to find the scanning code and write a stub utility that would load mythvideo and run it |
| [02:50:58] | kormoc: | justdave, mythweb's video scan might be simpler for you to understand |
| [02:51:10] | justdave: | but it turns out the scanning code it pretty tightly integrated with the GUI |
| [02:51:24] | justdave: | (i.e. it calls things to display stuff on the screen in the middle of the scan) |
| [02:51:28] | black_Nightmare_: | anyone heard of sigma realmagic right? well this one just seem odd but its apparently for real....a pci card that combines both hardware decoder and firewire in one package altogether |
| [02:51:30] | kormoc: | justdave, it is interactive code after all |
| [02:51:46] | stoth: | If anyone has comcast digital cable, and can do me a favour, it will be worth your while. Email me a stoth@hauppauge.com |
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| [02:52:12] | justdave: | I drop things in from another box over NFS frequently |
| [02:52:29] | justdave: | and then I have a shell script that adds thumbnails to anything that doesn't have them yet |
| [02:52:50] | justdave: | except I have to go in the GUI and run the Video Manager to pick up the new stuff before the thumbnail script can do its thing |
| [02:53:08] | kormoc: | justdave, if you're using svn, you can always script a call to mythweb's scan |
| [02:53:30] | justdave: | if mythweb has a scan that might be sufficient for me :) |
| [02:53:42] | justdave: | just some way to do it without kicking people off the TV if they're already watching something :) |
| [02:53:44] | kormoc: | it does, it was added as part of the mythweb video manager overhaul |
| [02:53:47] | djbeenie_: | offtopic: but does anyone know of a good linux book, I have been working with linux for about 2 years now..mainly gentoo...any suggestions? |
| [02:53:51] | kdubya: | oh snap worth my while |
| [02:54:14] | justdave: | is that only on trunk or is that in 2.20-fixes branch? |
| [02:54:24] | jheizer_treo: | haha, no comcast here |
| [02:54:50] | jheizer_treo: | but sadly maybe once I move in a few months |
| [02:54:59] | justdave: | I'm running whatever Ubuntu is packaging, so pretty sure it's the branch that I'm on right now |
| [02:55:10] | black_Nightmare_: | djb..try the 'linux in a nutshell' one? |
| [02:55:11] | kdubya: | why does that dude have a hauppauge.com email |
| [02:55:15] | black_Nightmare_: | can't recall author name but it was good |
| [02:55:46] | justdave: | if it's only on trunk that probably means upgrading every front end in the house because of the protocol changes |
| [02:55:55] | jheizer_treo: | maybe he works for them... ;-) |
| [02:56:02] | kdubya: | yeah if he does |
| [02:56:10] | kdubya: | someone might want to actually email him |
| [02:56:31] | feiner: | black_Nightmare_, djbeenie: linux in a nutshell by Ellen Siever, got it, haven't really read it though |
| [02:56:38] | djbeenie_: | black_Nightmare_, cool i will check it out |
| [02:56:41] | feiner: | looked up a few things in it as a reference |
| [02:57:27] | black_Nightmare_: | feiner..heh thanks...the way the front cover on any of his books are almost always sketched animals kinda makes it interesting on the shelf too :p |
| [02:57:41] | feiner: | by read i mean look at in depth, cause its not really a reading book |
| [02:57:43] | kormoc: | justdave, just trunk right now |
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| [02:58:02] | black_Nightmare_: | I'm still mulling about finding out if he had any book for macos (NOT 'X') and/or about assembly but meh |
| [02:58:09] | justdave: | does mythweb on the trunk work with 2.20 on the backend by any chance? |
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| [02:58:26] | kormoc: | justdave, negative |
| [02:58:30] | justdave: | mythweb is a separate-enough component from everything else that it's plausible, so I figured I'd ask :) |
| [02:58:41] | feiner: | yeah i like the oreilly books, i also have running linux and a pocket linux book that i mostly left for my mom to read cause im sick of maintaining a single windows machine for my parents |
| [02:58:43] | Yggdrasil: | hello is there away to make mythtv make just the mythfrontend ? |
| [02:58:54] | kdubya: | the database is different in trunk from 20.2 |
| [02:59:00] | kdubya: | so no way mythweb would work |
| [02:59:08] | justdave: | ok, makes sense |
| [02:59:10] | kormoc: | justdave, kdubya, example of the new interface, https://www.kormoc.com/pictures/albums/Screen . . . _Rewrite.png |
| [02:59:14] | usererro1: | what is this 'trunk' version? |
| [02:59:24] | feiner: | Yggdrasil: with gentoo use the frontendonly use flag, not supported and experimental though |
| [02:59:27] | kdubya: | trunk is the deveopment version |
| [02:59:30] | Yggdrasil: | ok |
| [02:59:35] | Yggdrasil: | let me see if that works |
| [02:59:42] | kormoc: | feiner, that's been removed I believe when the make file removed them |
| [02:59:43] | Yggdrasil: | so make --frontendonly ? |
| [02:59:47] | feiner: | usererrol: trunk is current svn release |
| [02:59:53] | justdave: | Secure Connection Failed |
| [02:59:53] | justdave: | www.kormoc.com uses an invalid security certificate. |
| [03:00:02] | ** justdave curses FF3's certificate handling ** | |
| [03:00:03] | kormoc: | justdave, self signed, aye. |
| [03:00:14] | justdave: | yeah, self signed certs don't work in FF3 |
| [03:00:16] | kormoc: | justdave, heh, make it kormoc.com:8080 if you prefer |
| [03:00:17] | justdave: | on purpose |
| [03:00:21] | kdubya: | kormoc: pretty |
| [03:00:24] | kormoc: | http:// then as well |
| [03:00:26] | kormoc: | ick |
| [03:00:32] | kdubya: | yeah |
| [03:00:34] | justdave: | (well, they do, but you have to go manually enter the URL in the certificate manager to let it work) |
| [03:00:38] | kdubya: | i got your png nice and secure like |
| [03:00:39] | feiner: | Yggdrasil: GENTOO, USE flag, frontend only, dont know if its an option anywhere else |
| [03:00:39] | usererro1: | wow, that looks nice |
| [03:00:40] | jheizer_treo: | no shit, stupid ff3 |
| [03:00:47] | jheizer_treo: | that sucks |
| [03:00:48] | Yggdrasil: | feiner ill chck |
| [03:01:15] | justdave: | security precaution because too many people click the "Use it anyway" button without reading the error message on the old versions |
| [03:01:17] | usererro1: | is there a shortcut that will just take you back to the 'main' menu screen from any menu or any part of mythtv? if there is i cannot seem to find it. |
| [03:01:21] | justdave: | so the phishers can trick people |
| [03:01:32] | kormoc: | and the imdb button allows imdb lookups and auto tagging of the videos right in that interface, it's rather slick imho |
| [03:02:01] | kormoc: | sad, my isp blocks port 80, but not 443, hence why I typically just use https |
| [03:02:09] | justdave: | yeah, that's nice-looking. |
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| [03:02:51] | jheizer_treo: | ot:crap WM5 wmp does not like flac, pos |
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| [03:03:40] | justdave: | most of my stuff is anime, so my thumbnails are all screenshots instead of DVD covers |
| [03:04:08] | justdave: | which makes for an interesting look on the video detail screen in MythVideo since it warps the thumbnail to fit the shape of a DVD cover on the screen :) |
| [03:04:14] | justdave: | but it looks nice in the browser anyway |
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| [03:04:32] | kormoc: | Heh, the new ways keeps the aspect ratio |
| [03:04:54] | justdave: | cool |
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| [03:05:19] | jheizer_treo: | crap, lost signal |
| [03:05:24] | justdave: | there a deb repo anywhere that has trunk builds in it? |
| [03:05:32] | kormoc: | and also reflows based on browser window size, so no more huge scroll bar at the bottom or the like |
| [03:05:33] | jheizer_treo: | at least tcpmp can play flac |
| [03:05:48] | justdave: | my only qualm with installing from source is it makes it harder to upgrade later when the new stuff comes out :) |
| [03:05:52] | kdubya: | justdave, justbuildit |
| [03:05:57] | kdubya: | it takes like 10 minutes |
| [03:06:06] | usererro1: | anyone? a keyboard shortcut that goes directly to the main menu from anywhere you are? |
| [03:06:09] | kdubya: | nah it makes it easier |
| [03:06:10] | kormoc: | justdave, and that's why I use gentoo. Easier to build :P |
| [03:06:16] | usererro1: | (or a link to a list of them? ;) |
| [03:06:20] | kormoc: | usererro1, you could look at the keybinding editor and set one |
| [03:06:41] | justdave: | especially when I have 4 machines to put it on and they're not all the same arch |
| [03:06:45] | justdave: | (which means building it on each one) |
| [03:06:49] | usererro1: | kormoc, I did and it doesn't like to do it, i used "Shift+M" |
| [03:07:23] | kormoc: | usererro1, try setting it to just m and see if that works? it might need to be all lower case or the like |
| [03:07:51] | usererro1: | it claims its bound to something else if i just use "m" ? |
| [03:08:52] | kormoc: | well, try another key till it works? |
| [03:09:07] | kormoc: | the idea is to see if you can make a simple one work |
| [03:09:08] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [03:09:32] | justdave: | they actually made the exception dialog in FF3 for certs a bit easier since the last time I had to use it |
| [03:09:43] | justdave: | it autofilled your URL in the box when I hit Add Exception |
| [03:09:54] | usererro1: | ok |
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| [03:10:32] | usererro1: | lets see what " ` " does... |
| [03:10:34] | usererro1: | hang on |
| [03:10:36] | justdave: | there's a link on the error page instead of a button (the button is "get me out of here" instead of "ok") |
| [03:10:50] | kormoc: | huh, strange but fair 'nuff |
| [03:12:04] | Yggdrasil: | hey feiner have any idea how i would check the varsios make options ? |
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| [03:12:31] | kormoc: | ./configure --help |
| [03:12:44] | ** kormoc points out that it's configure that you use to configure the build, not make ** | |
| [03:13:17] | usererro1: | kormoc – that seems to have worked |
| [03:13:24] | usererro1: | from most places. |
| [03:13:33] | usererro1: | so it'll do! |
| [03:13:41] | feiner: | Yggdrasil: what kormoc said |
| [03:13:44] | kormoc: | Yggdrasil, also, keep in mind, only building the frontend doesn't save any time, as it needs to build the backend anyway, and all it did was not copy mythbackend to the bin dir |
| [03:13:54] | feiner: | yeah |
| [03:14:04] | Yggdrasil: | ok then thanks |
| [03:14:15] | feiner: | its kinda not really a very functional option |
| [03:14:17] | Yggdrasil: | trying to save time |
| [03:14:23] | Yggdrasil: | it didnt work nayway |
| [03:14:34] | Yggdrasil: | but i mean you get the point im just building a frontend |
| [03:14:43] | Yggdrasil: | first time ive done it |
| [03:14:44] | derek123698: | Yggdrasil: if you are looking to see what options are compiled in try mythfrontend --version |
| [03:14:58] | Yggdrasil: | nah its compiling |
| [03:15:08] | ** kormoc thinks derek123698 doesn't follow the conversations too well ** | |
| [03:15:12] | Yggdrasil: | haha |
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| [03:15:31] | Yggdrasil: | might take an hour |
| [03:15:36] | feiner: | its hard, its kinda busy in here right now |
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| [03:19:13] | feiner: | ok i say its kinda busy then it dies |
| [03:19:20] | Yggdrasil: | haha |
| [03:19:41] | kdubya: | your |
| [03:19:43] | kdubya: | fault |
| [03:20:14] | Yggdrasil: | i allredy compiled once tongight and it gave me some wierd i compiled against an old lib error |
| [03:20:18] | Yggdrasil: | so i made uninstall |
| [03:20:25] | Yggdrasil: | then now im making is that correct ? |
| [03:20:31] | feiner: | well if nobody else will ask a question i will, why does the picture on the livetv epg try and show on the left side of the screen on my one frontend? |
| [03:20:43] | derek123698: | anyone have a via pm800 mb and got it working with xvmc? |
| [03:22:50] | Yggdrasil: | feiner did you change its settings for the frontend ? |
| [03:22:56] | Yggdrasil: | under settings ? |
| [03:24:05] | feiner: | no, by try i mean it still has the spot on the right side but it trys but does not accomplish displaying it on the left, makes 3 tiny tiny fuzzy pictures along the top and snow in the rest of the area |
| [03:25:21] | Yggdrasil: | hmm |
| [03:26:18] | feiner: | another problem is why wont the tv out work right with the radeon driver but works just fine with the vesa one |
| [03:26:35] | Yggdrasil: | thats an ati driver problem |
| [03:27:25] | feiner: | yeah i know but i still havent found an answer anywhere i've looked, but the picture doing the weird thing shouldnt be because im using vesa |
| [03:27:41] | Yggdrasil: | i see one settings |
| [03:27:46] | Yggdrasil: | wait im poking around |
| [03:28:10] | Yggdrasil: | seperate video modes for gui and tv |
| [03:28:15] | Yggdrasil: | playback |
| [03:28:17] | Yggdrasil: | ? |
| [03:28:21] | Yggdrasil: | mines unchecked |
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| [03:29:25] | feiner: | unless i was smoking something it should be unchecked, i'll note it and check when i get the chance |
| [03:29:48] | Yggdrasil: | thats the only thing i can see that might effect that ? |
| [03:29:50] | Yggdrasil: | .. |
| [03:29:58] | Yggdrasil: | what sort of deinterlace is the best ? |
| [03:30:02] | Yggdrasil: | algorithm |
| [03:31:18] | feiner: | never heard anyone voice much of a preference that i remember other than a couple people saying they liked bob2x and it worked god for them |
| [03:31:20] | feiner: | good |
| [03:31:32] | Yggdrasil: | well im having some interlacing. |
| [03:31:36] | Yggdrasil: | i see that it needs xv |
| [03:31:39] | Yggdrasil: | not sure if i have that |
| [03:32:24] | feiner: | did you have any deinterlacing set before? |
| [03:32:34] | Yggdrasil: | no |
| [03:32:37] | Yggdrasil: | its always done it |
| [03:32:45] | Yggdrasil: | ive just written it off to c rappy video card |
| [03:32:48] | Yggdrasil: | i have um |
| [03:32:50] | Yggdrasil: | linear now |
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| [03:33:33] | feiner: | best i could say is give them a try and see what looks best but your processor can still handle |
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| [03:33:37] | Yggdrasil: | yea |
| [03:33:42] | Yggdrasil: | its onloy 2. ghz |
| [03:33:49] | Yggdrasil: | and a nvidia mx400 |
| [03:34:19] | Yggdrasil: | ok bbl |
| [03:34:29] | feiner: | 2ghz should be plenty to deinterlace with as long as you arent trying to transcode and comflag a bunch at the same time |
| [03:34:47] | Yggdrasil: | aye |
| [03:34:57] | Yggdrasil: | the linear seems decent |
| [03:35:36] | feiner: | yeah, i dont even remember the differences between them all, at one time i did cause i ripped all my dvds and transcoded them |
| [03:36:20] | feiner: | that was a long time ago when i ran windows and i use gordianknot to do it |
| [03:36:25] | feiner: | used |
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| [03:40:04] | GreyFoxx: | hehe I have a windows VM for just that purpose :) |
| [03:40:34] | feiner: | there are linux apps that do it but gordianknot worked really well |
| [03:41:10] | feiner: | it was really slick, plus once you get used to something its hard to change sometimes |
| [03:44:48] | mzb_d800: | Yggdrasil: mx400 doesn't have xvmc |
| [03:45:10] | mzb_d800: | (need gf4 and up) |
| [03:45:29] | mzb_d800: | (ie. mx420, mx440 ....) |
| [03:47:23] | Yggdrasil: | yea thats what i thought |
| [03:47:29] | Yggdrasil: | so what kind of interlacing should i use ? |
| [03:47:34] | Yggdrasil: | kernel or linear right ? |
| [03:47:51] | feiner: | yeah kernel is ok cause you have sse more than likely |
| [03:48:24] | mzb_d800: | xv != xvmc |
| [03:49:29] | mzb_d800: | f0rk! |
| [03:50:00] | feiner: | yeah xv isnt xvmc |
| [03:50:16] | mzb_d800: | having to test hardware on a (the only) machine with M$ is making me have a bad day |
| [03:50:24] | feiner: | haha |
| [03:50:31] | mzb_d800: | might give up now and drink beer ;) |
| [03:50:51] | feiner: | beer is good, wait thats a song, they'll get me for copyright enfringment now |
| [03:52:18] | mzb: | heh |
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| [04:27:35] | roothorick: | not quite OT, but the HTPC I'm building currently has a really loud power supply, would anyone care to recommend something quieter but on the cheap? |
| [04:28:34] | mzb: | a hacksaw? :) |
| [04:29:32] | mzb: | (one of those "must have" tools ... after a hammer and a grinder;) |
| [04:32:24] | H00chster: | anyone good with sql queries? I wanna get rid of all non 8psk channels from 1 particular source |
| [04:32:53] | H00chster: | I can do a select no problem and it shows the proper channels I wanna delete but when I change it to a delete from instead of a select * from it errors |
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| [05:08:49] | Pryon: | H00chster: can you paste the query and the resulting error? |
| [05:11:51] | H00chster: | I got it figured out but thank you for replying Pryon! |
| [05:12:15] | Pryon: | cool |
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| [06:36:47] | mchou: | damn, this mono crap is a linux virus |
| [06:37:57] | mchou: | why this crap is even included in a linux distro is beyond me |
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| [10:52:08] | justinh: | morning |
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| [11:03:35] | sege: | i thought all recordings should be seen on all frontends? i just put up another frontend and i can watch livetv and so but not my old recordings. |
| [11:03:47] | sege: | is there something wrong with my setup? |
| [11:04:17] | xand: | probably |
| [11:06:13] | sege: | it should work then? |
| [11:10:49] | fatmatt: | is the recordings directory mentioned separately in each of the frontend configurations? or is it only on the backend? |
| [11:11:03] | fatmatt: | I don't remember |
| [11:12:15] | sege: | same directory, it was a very hard problem i just saw it. Change Group Filter was the problem. Sorry. =) |
| [11:12:37] | sege: | me so sorry =) |
| [11:13:35] | justinh: | is the new frontend's hostname the same as the backend? |
| [11:13:38] | justinh: | oops |
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| [12:12:06] | RealNitro: | Does anyone know how to get rid of an audio echo when watching live (myth)tv? |
| [12:13:31] | justinh: | yes |
| [12:13:33] | justinh: | thanks |
| [12:13:53] | justinh: | I know because I read the docs at www.mythtv.org |
| [12:14:10] | RealNitro: | justinh: I get the message |
| [12:15:09] | fysa: | heh |
| [12:15:09] | fysa: | http://freshome.com/2007/11/15/gareth-neal-table/ |
| [12:15:16] | justinh: | see the section about configuring audio. the troubleshooting section has a solution to the very same problem |
| [12:15:58] | justinh: | 11/15 ? there's a 15th month? crazy talking! |
| [12:16:13] | ** justinh deinterlaces the table ** | |
| [12:16:15] | fysa: | it gets spookier ;) |
| [12:16:16] | fysa: | haha |
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| [12:24:36] | Hoxzer: | ;& |
| [12:25:43] | ** Hoxzer didn't manage to rescue relative's TV interview that was by mythtv for some wierd reason (with 60 hours of recordings) :\ ** | |
| [12:25:57] | Hoxzer: | :( I should have backed it up |
| [12:28:17] | Hoxzer: | *that was deleted |
| [12:35:36] | justinh: | hmm that's not bad. free delivery from Scan if you're a member of the AVForums |
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| [12:40:18] | RealNitro: | justinh: solved it :) |
| [12:41:11] | justinh: | muted the soundcard input in the 'playback' section of the mixer eh? ;) |
| [12:41:33] | RealNitro: | no, muted the pcm in the capture mode :) |
| [12:41:41] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [12:41:46] | RealNitro: | and what you said too :) |
| [12:42:35] | justinh: | if I had one GBP for every person with that audio problem who came in here, I'd already have my Mac Mini |
| [12:42:44] | RealNitro: | :p |
| [12:42:52] | RealNitro: | I couldn't find anything on google |
| [12:43:06] | RealNitro: | because 'echo' is also a Linux command :/ |
| [12:43:20] | justinh: | always pays to think of synonyms when googling |
| [12:43:39] | justinh: | also pays to check a project's official docs too ;) |
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| [13:32:29] | atoulan: | hi all, My card has S-Video and Composite inputs. I created 2 channels for them. I then scan for DVB channels and I get some channels. The problem is that when I switch from S-video or composite to a normal channel, I don't get to the channel I selected but I go the last channel I used before switching to S-Video or Composite. Does anyone know a solution to this problem? |
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| [13:40:30] | justinh: | there lies the big problem with hybrid cards |
| [13:41:25] | justinh: | unless myth knows the card is a hybrid type & you set it up as such, it won't work properly like that |
| [13:42:07] | atoulan: | justinh: What do u mean by set it up? I already created the video sources for each input using mythtv-setup |
| [13:42:16] | atoulan: | justinh: Is there anything else to do? |
| [13:43:25] | justinh: | switch sources, then switch channels |
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| [14:04:42] | Andycasss: | What should I do under ubuntu gutsy in order to get the latest svn (I currently have the 20.2 stable). Should I just use the "svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv .../mythplugins .../myththemes" command? |
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| [14:14:01] | GoalieManPat: | anyone ever have an issue where when you start a video in mythvideo you lose all control from both the remote and keyboard? |
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| [14:15:47] | Andycasss: | How to backup a db? |
| [14:16:23] | Andycasss: | Never mind, found it.. |
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| [14:25:00] | seth|web: | will minimyth run on xbox or xbox 360? |
| [14:25:40] | fysa: | I recommend using the xbmcmyth.py script for XBMC with a Myth backend. |
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| [14:29:07] | Andycasss: | Where can i see my mythtv db name? |
| [14:32:48] | seth|web: | can you get into mysql |
| [14:32:57] | seth|web: | mysql -u <user> -p |
| [14:33:26] | seth|web: | if yes, then once in there, type SHOW DATABASES; |
| [14:33:42] | seth|web: | don't forget the semi-colon(;) on the end |
| [14:35:31] | Andycasss: | Meh i can get in mysql, says access denied, though i have right user and pass |
| [14:41:11] | fysa: | try -h localhost or -h 127.0.0.1 |
| [14:42:20] | Andycasss: | Still the same |
| [14:42:45] | Andycasss: | Access denied for mythtv@localhost |
| [14:43:10] | Andycasss: | is ok if i do this with root? |
| [14:43:26] | Andycasss: | or do i need to be logged in as mythtv |
| [14:43:37] | fysa: | you can make changes as root just fine. |
| [14:43:53] | Andycasss: | ok :) |
| [14:45:00] | Andycasss: | Ok I have mysql, mythconverg and information_schema databases, which one should i backup, all of them? |
| [14:51:22] | xand: | yes |
| [14:53:36] | Andycasss: | Ok, I tried using this command: "mysqldump -u root -p --extended-insert --databases mythconverg mythdatabase.bak" This gave me: " Got error: 1102: Incorrect database name 'mythdatabase.bak' when selecting the database" |
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| [14:58:13] | jduggan: | Andycasss: > mythdatabase.bak ?? |
| [14:58:32] | Andycasss: | Umm, yes... |
| [14:58:32] | Andycasss: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Backup_your_database |
| [14:58:47] | Andycasss: | I used the first example |
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| [15:00:59] | jduggan: | Andycasss: your example you're printing doesnt have a '>' |
| [15:01:58] | Andycasss: | Oh! |
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| [15:05:35] | Andycasss: | Umm... Where does the mythdatabase.bak go? |
| [15:13:27] | clever: | into the current dir |
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| [16:18:34] | Andycasss: | If I want to install the SVN version, all i need to do is enter those "svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/..." commands and then "./configure --prefix=/usr/local" ? |
| [16:19:30] | GreyFoxx: | That prefix is the default, you don't need to specify it |
| [16:19:59] | GreyFoxx: | just be sure you install any packaged versions you've put in |
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| [16:21:21] | Andycasss: | Sorry? Which packaged versions? |
| [16:21:52] | GreyFoxx: | sorry I meant uninstall any previous package versions if you had install them |
| [16:22:36] | Andycasss: | Oh, Does that mean that I will loose my settings? Just in case, i made a backup of my database... |
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| [16:24:12] | GreyFoxx: | I don;t do packages, but I would assume that i you don't remove myself it wouldn't loose the database stuff |
| [16:24:19] | GreyFoxx: | but if you made a backup, it wont matter anyway |
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| [16:29:06] | siXy: | Andycasss: iirc the SVN version has a different DB schema to the released version, so you may lose your settings anyway |
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| [16:32:40] | GreyFoxx: | no, it will update his schema |
| [16:32:44] | GreyFoxx: | settings wont be deleted |
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| [16:34:36] | siXy: | ah thats handy |
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| [16:51:48] | greend139: | is anyone having problems using the stream module for mythweb running a recent build of trunk with storage groups? |
| [16:54:30] | greend139: | the error i get whenever i try to download the file or stream it is that it can not locate the file on any storage groups for the host. any help would be appreciated |
| [16:56:03] | seth|web: | anyone have an xbox360 they can boot a knoppmyth cd on and tell me if it can start a frontend? |
| [16:57:14] | iamlindoro_: | There is no knoppmyth for Xbox 360 |
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| [16:57:43] | seth|web: | can an xbox360 boot a live cd? |
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| [16:58:05] | mkrufky: | linux works on xbox360 already? |
| [16:58:11] | ** seth|web is trying to determine which console he want s to pick up for holidays, but wants it to be dual-purpose ** | |
| [16:58:16] | iamlindoro_: | No |
| [16:58:20] | mkrufky: | i didnt think so |
| [16:58:25] | mkrufky: | that would be nice |
| [16:58:27] | iamlindoro_: | No, seth, not that one |
| [16:58:34] | iamlindoro_: | PS3 will boot linuc and run frontend, though |
| [16:58:37] | iamlindoro_: | er linux |
| [16:58:43] | mkrufky: | and i hear the original xbox, too |
| [16:58:43] | seth|web: | so PS3 |
| [16:58:48] | hjohnson: | I like the guy who runs mythfrontend on an AppleTV |
| [16:58:54] | hjohnson: | it's nifty-keen, and works quite well. |
| [16:59:12] | seth|web: | i have an original xbox, it is defunct, i need to find out how to restore the origianl dashboard |
| [16:59:28] | seth|web: | I hacked it with the mechwarrior exploit and install xebian on it |
| [16:59:30] | mkrufky: | a friend of mine told me how to fix those -- |
| [16:59:33] | hjohnson: | I wonder if myth can use the OSX/Quicktime libraries for H.264, which would probably be a lot more efficient than ffmpeg or whatever it uses. |
| [16:59:46] | mkrufky: | people commonly think they're broken , then sell them as bricks on ebay |
| [16:59:46] | mkrufky: | but |
| [16:59:58] | jams: | GreyFoxx- do you still use the mediamvp? |
| [17:00:06] | mkrufky: | you can easily fix it by replacing the silver heat transfer solution between the cpu and heat sink |
| [17:00:32] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, funny that you say that, I have thermal paste all over my hands right now |
| [17:00:41] | iamlindoro_: | Not from an xbox, but all the same... |
| [17:00:45] | mkrufky: | :-) |
| [17:00:54] | mkrufky: | thats nasty — wash your hands |
| [17:01:08] | hjohnson: | I like the little thermal pads that ship on AMD fansinks. |
| [17:01:26] | hjohnson: | of course, last time I tried to remove the heatsink/fan, it pulled the CPU right out of the socket... |
| [17:01:36] | iamlindoro_: | I'm mid-add-water-cooler to office computers, can't wash now |
| [17:01:42] | mkrufky: | hehee ok |
| [17:04:47] | seth|web: | wow, too bad call of duty 2 is not available for PS3. That was what I wanted the xbox360 for |
| [17:04:50] | seth|web: | :-( |
| [17:05:25] | seth|web: | so does the PS3 boot a linux cd by default, or does it need some sort of modification? |
| [17:05:44] | ** seth|web really hates to have top mod something new ** | |
| [17:06:27] | iamlindoro_: | I'm fairly certain it COMES with it's linux CD |
| [17:06:30] | iamlindoro_: | DVD |
| [17:07:03] | iamlindoro_: | *ahem* google PS3 linux *ahem* |
| [17:07:56] | bsdfox_: | I know sony has a ps3 distro if it isn't included you can probably buy/download it |
| [17:08:03] | bsdfox_: | ps3 also has a native folding@home client which is cool |
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| [17:09:11] | iamlindoro_: | You can use pretty much anything with it. Ubuntu, Fedora and Gentoo all work |
| [17:09:16] | iamlindoro_: | no purchase necessary |
| [17:10:09] | seth|web: | sweet |
| [17:10:50] | mkrufky: | and ps3 had DVI video out, right? |
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| [17:12:29] | rmcnamara__: | HDMI, but can make that work, of course |
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| [17:18:43] | tzanger: | good morning |
| [17:18:53] | tzanger: | I'm trying to get DVB FTA (radio stations) working |
| [17:18:59] | tzanger: | channels with video+audio work fine |
| [17:19:19] | tzanger: | I've got mythbackend -v record running, and I can see that it is happily noting that there is no video PID and thus adding the dummy one |
| [17:19:38] | tzanger: | but beyond that... the frontend just dies because the ring buffer isn't working (presumably due to no video) |
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| [17:20:51] | tzanger: | xris, know anything about audio-only DVB and mythtv? I can see the recorder adding a fake video PID, but beyond that it don't work |
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| [17:21:27] | xris: | haven't tried that, sorry |
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| [17:36:58] | iamlindoro_: | Ooooh, Microsoft... |
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| [17:39:39] | adante: | 0is there a way you can set a default sleep timer on mythtv? |
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| [17:43:27] | adante: | also random question regarding changing aspect ratio |
| [17:43:32] | Veidit: | For a backend do I need a OK graphics card? I currently have a server to spare that I thought I should use as backend due to it's disks in raid5 |
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| [17:44:08] | directhex: | Veidit, the backend never uses its graphics card |
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| [17:44:30] | adante: | a very very long time ago (.17? maybe .18) this was instantaneous, but nowadays there is a pause/freeze when changing AR – this is pretty slow on my system, is there any way to revert to the old way? |
| [17:45:00] | Veidit: | directhex: Good, thanks. Just wanted to make sure |
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| [17:49:24] | bradd: | i used to get a cpu temp on the mythweb backend status page. it seems to have gone away. anyone know if i just dont have something enabled or if its been removed from mythweb all together? |
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| [17:54:25] | justinh: | hi-di ho |
| [17:55:18] | bsdfox_: | bradd: I still have that |
| [17:55:29] | bsdfox_: | bradd: maybe you need lm_sensors to be setup |
| [17:55:30] | iamlindoro_: | Bradd, sure that ACPI is all working ok, ie did it used to work on THIS particular machine, and what are the contents of your /proc/acpi/thermal_zone? |
| [17:55:49] | bradd: | acpi is on...as is lm_sensors |
| [17:55:53] | justinh: | ugh I just found out that if you have 'buy it now' on an ebay auction, if somebody bids, even your min. amount the buyitnow option goes away. what sense does that make? |
| [17:56:05] | justinh: | stupid ebay |
| [17:56:33] | bradd: | i have a THRM directory in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ |
| [17:56:55] | bsdfox_: | cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| [17:57:10] | iamlindoro_: | ^^^ exactly ;) |
| [17:57:15] | bradd: | [12:56pm]> cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| [17:57:15] | bradd: | temperature: 40 C |
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| [17:57:47] | bradd: | i dont remember if it ever worked with this particular machine or not |
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| [17:59:32] | iamlindoro_: | hrm, one presumes that myth gets the temp info from that, so it seems like it should work |
| [17:59:48] | justinh: | pfft. no way is my athlon 2000xp at 35 deg C |
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| [18:00:24] | CDev: | FYI: The lm_sensor support was removed from the status page and replaced with a external script. See the contrib directory. |
| [18:00:26] | justinh: | 51 deg C, which isn't 'CPU' sounds more right |
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| [18:01:00] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, that would do it |
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| [18:02:16] | bradd: | cool thanks CDEV. |
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| [18:04:47] | justinh: | there's something very wrong with my lmsensors setup methinks. just looked at the voltages & 3v3 is at over 6v ! |
| [18:05:08] | justinh: | if that were really the case I think the machine would be in deep doodoo |
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| [18:06:56] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, myth-sensors reports *my* CPU temp at -12.5 C |
| [18:07:31] | iamlindoro_: | Because, of course, I cool my case in the cold, inky blackness of space |
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| [18:08:21] | justinh: | lol |
| [18:08:28] | justinh: | eew my mythweb seems to be broken |
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| [18:11:29] | xand: | iamlindoro_: space isn't a very good coolant... no conduction or convection |
| [18:11:51] | justinh: | xand: there is radiation though |
| [18:12:05] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, but in space, nobody can hear your CPU alarm screech :) |
| [18:16:52] | justinh: | gah mysqlcheck found no errors |
| [18:17:05] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, there we go, fixed... now all four cores are running at... 60. Ouch. |
| [18:17:39] | justinh: | hmm restarted mysql & mythbackend.. all is well again. wth? |
| [18:17:45] | iamlindoro_: | That's during a transcode, though, so It ought to be ok |
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| [18:19:32] | justinh: | aha! around the time I ran lmsensors, the db connection died |
| [18:19:48] | justinh: | risky# |
| [18:21:40] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: I heard the other day it can be tricky getting core temps to match when you place your own HSF on the CPU |
| [18:22:39] | iamlindoro_: | Could be... I think my issue was a misconfiguration on my part, though... I can believe that they're running at 60 right now on a transcode with threads=6... sounds about right |
| [18:23:13] | justinh: | hahahahah doggy really doesn't like my radio controlled car |
| [18:23:49] | tzanger: | awesome got it working now |
| [18:23:53] | tzanger: | was just a filename problem |
| [18:26:01] | justinh: | oh noes. got some 'B' filesize recordings |
| [18:26:14] | justinh: | wonder if a coax has become unseated |
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| [18:27:57] | justinh: | is there any way to find out which encoder was used to record a show? |
| [18:28:16] | iamlindoro_: | Doesn't the filename tell you which? |
| [18:28:44] | justinh: | quick answer: no |
| [18:28:53] | iamlindoro_: | Erm, sorry, was thinking of something else |
| [18:30:14] | iamlindoro_: | Hum... wait.. maybe I wasn't... thought the first four digits were capture card, then channel? |
| [18:30:33] | iamlindoro_: | ie, on mine 2071 = Capture card 2, channel 7–1 |
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| [18:31:12] | GreyFoxx: | Actually no |
| [18:31:15] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: it's vidsrc, not capture card |
| [18:31:23] | iamlindoro_: | Ah |
| [18:31:27] | GreyFoxx: | That's the channel id which is vidsrc not card id |
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| [18:31:41] | iamlindoro_: | gotcha. On mine the sources just happen to match up to the cards |
| [18:31:52] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: any logs would have the info on which card was used |
| [18:32:02] | GreyFoxx: | programatically I don't know if that info is stored |
| [18:32:28] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: ahh yesh |
| [18:32:52] | justinh: | well one of my coax couplers is as slack as a working girl's youknowwhat |
| [18:32:59] | justinh: | so I'll get a new one ASAP |
| [18:33:06] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [18:33:30] | justinh: | maybe a 4 output amp would be better & use one cable per tuner then |
| [18:33:38] | justinh: | not use the feedthrough at all |
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| [18:33:51] | justinh: | or get some proper female connectors |
| [18:33:58] | justinh: | virgin ones, you could say ;) |
| [18:34:06] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [18:34:32] | justinh: | not gonna panic. the shows with 'B' filesize weren't in any way important |
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| [18:35:33] | justinh: | got 3 concurrent recordings going without issues, so I suspect the wiggly coax |
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| [18:37:57] | bsdfox_: | I have a pvr500 and a pvr250, everything looks fine on both the pvr500 tuners but there are like 10 (out of 70) channels that come in really poorly on the pvr250.. think it's a bad card or? |
| [18:38:13] | justinh: | prolly bad coax |
| [18:39:08] | bsdfox_: | that would be nice :) |
| [18:39:26] | BULLE: | or just a lower quality tuner on the pvr250 |
| [18:39:49] | bsdfox_: | some channels look perfect and some look terrible |
| [18:40:00] | bsdfox_: | random numbers.. |
| [18:41:33] | BULLE: | bsdfox_: i would guess on the tuner then, or a combo, as justinh said, a bit low signal quality, so the tuner has problems with certain channels |
| [18:41:52] | Andycasss: | Jesus, how long does it take to compile svn? Its been doing that for 2 hours now on my 600mhz celeron :P |
| [18:43:00] | bsdfox_: | Andycasss: it takes about an hour and a half on my celeron 800 w/ 512 ram |
| [18:43:16] | bsdfox_: | without distcc |
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| [18:44:38] | Andycasss: | Mehh |
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| [19:06:29] | justinh: | Andycasss: install ccache & next time only the changes will need be compiled |
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| [19:09:05] | justinh: | there _will_ be a next time, you can be sure of that |
| [19:09:30] | justinh: | as Dr. Claw would say ;) |
| [19:13:05] | ** justinh looks in the post. still no mac mini :( ** | |
| [19:13:26] | jduggan: | hah u went for a macmini? :) |
| [19:13:26] | jduggan: | nice |
| [19:13:45] | iamlindoro_: | He's waiting for his FREE mini |
| [19:13:52] | iamlindoro_: | given to him by some kind soul |
| [19:13:55] | jduggan: | FREE? |
| [19:13:57] | jduggan: | srs?? |
| [19:13:57] | iamlindoro_: | theoretically |
| [19:14:09] | jduggan: | er, serious |
| [19:14:13] | justinh: | srs? |
| [19:14:16] | directhex: | no wai! |
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| [19:14:24] | iamlindoro_: | No. He is hoping for someone to give him one |
| [19:14:38] | justinh: | is it wrong to live in hope? ;) |
| [19:14:49] | justinh: | even if it's misplaced & deluded? |
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| [19:15:14] | iamlindoro_: | Better than the alternative, I suppose |
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| [19:16:03] | justinh: | that said I dunno if I could do any better with photoshop on a mac than I do in PSP on a PC |
| [19:16:08] | justinh: | I doubt it |
| [19:16:17] | justinh: | I hate photoshop |
| [19:16:28] | justinh: | it's totally lame at scaling |
| [19:16:39] | justinh: | I mean the work in progress, not resizing |
| [19:18:15] | justinh: | I wouldn't even nick it to use at home after trying a demo |
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| [19:46:59] | DustyBin: | 19:16 < justinh> I hate photoshop |
| [19:47:00] | DustyBin: | 19:16 < justinh> it's totally lame at scaling |
| [19:47:42] | DustyBin: | photoshop has some of the best algorithms ever.. thats why photoshop is industry standard.. |
| [19:48:08] | mkrufky: | photoshop rocks |
| [19:48:19] | mkrufky: | ...gives me reason to keep XP on my devbox |
| [19:48:34] | DustyBin: | i use my mac for appz like that |
| [19:48:44] | mkrufky: | yeah yeah, gimp is cool, too... but not if you've been trained on photoshop and know it inside&out |
| [19:49:21] | DustyBin: | Adobe InDesign + Adobe Illustrator + Adobe Photoshop <-- the peRfik combination. |
| [19:49:35] | mkrufky: | _very_ true |
| [19:49:37] | mkrufky: | nothing beats it |
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| [19:49:56] | mkrufky: | i hear photoshop runs well under wine, also ... but i never tried |
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| [19:55:33] | Andycasss: | my "sudo checkinstall" for svn failed with "Building Debian Package.... Failed! ***Failed to build the package |
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| [19:55:45] | justinh: | in the editing window the zoom always seems really lame at less than 100% |
| [19:56:12] | Andycasss: | It seems that I didnt enter the version in options, what version should i use? |
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| [19:56:32] | mkrufky: | justinh: not when you're working on billboard designs |
| [19:56:36] | justinh: | Andycasss: any version number you want if you're only packaging it for yourself |
| [19:56:45] | justinh: | mkrufky: well I guess not then |
| [19:57:31] | mkrufky: | ...or if you're working on something equal or larger than 8x10 @ 300 dpi or higher resolutions ... billboard signs was an extreme ;-) |
| [19:57:51] | justinh: | I did like photoshop's presets – making buttons & stuff is a piece of cake with them even when doing your own |
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| [19:58:10] | mkrufky: | oh, you're talking about web graphics |
| [19:58:15] | mkrufky: | imageready ;-) |
| [19:58:21] | justinh: | but the live editing & moving around just didn't seem logical to me |
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| [19:58:42] | mkrufky: | yeah... it really only makes sense when dealing with larger canvases |
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| [19:59:41] | justinh: | I even tried it on my 1600x1050 monitor but there still didn't seem to be enough room |
| [20:00:04] | justinh: | horses for courses, like with everything else in software |
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| [20:00:08] | ARfdee: | hi friends |
| [20:01:14] | mkrufky: | heh |
| [20:01:56] | mkrufky: | my machine with photoshop has three screens, each 1280x1024 ..... tools & IM on one screen, workspace on another screen, tv on the last screen |
| [20:02:00] | mkrufky: | im spoiled :-) |
| [20:02:17] | mkrufky: | if not tv, then source code |
| [20:02:27] | seth|web: | dual video cards? |
| [20:02:31] | justinh: | mkrufky: maybe if there's a way to make the scrollwheel work as zoom in / out I'll warm to it |
| [20:02:52] | mkrufky: | it does! |
| [20:02:56] | justinh: | ctrl+ & ctrl- suck as zoom controls |
| [20:03:05] | mkrufky: | i think it's in the preferences |
| [20:03:25] | justinh: | should be the default, then maybe PS noobs like me won't be so apalled by it |
| [20:03:35] | mkrufky: | i only have ps7.0, btw .... so, i dont know what the newer versions have |
| [20:03:41] | mkrufky: | heh |
| [20:04:07] | justinh: | people usually balk when I tell them what I use to make themes & web graphics.. they're like "eh? how the.. ???" |
| [20:04:49] | justinh: | PSP is a very capable app, and much cheaper than photochop |
| [20:05:01] | justinh: | I hate what Corel did to it though. sticking with 9 |
| [20:05:21] | mkrufky: | yeah, i always likes PSP too |
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| [20:05:24] | mkrufky: | likeD |
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| [20:05:40] | mkrufky: | but once you (or I) go photoshop, you (I) never go back |
| [20:05:50] | justinh: | maybe one day |
| [20:06:41] | justinh: | one thing I do know that PS offers over PSP is simple vector booleans. subtracting vectors in PSP is a pain |
| [20:06:59] | Andycasss: | Hmm, I got the svn installed, when i try to launch mythbackend i get: "mythbackend error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| [20:07:14] | justinh: | Andycasss: could be the wrong prefix |
| [20:07:21] | justinh: | which mythbackend ;) |
| [20:07:28] | justinh: | then ldd $backendpath |
| [20:07:38] | mkrufky: | are you juski ??? |
| [20:07:43] | Andycasss: | Sorry? I didn't understand a thing |
| [20:07:46] | justinh: | mkrufky: no, he's dead |
| [20:07:51] | mkrufky: | ah, hi juski |
| [20:07:54] | mkrufky: | :-) |
| [20:08:14] | mkrufky: | i wont tell anybody ..... besides the channel logbot ;-) |
| [20:08:42] | ** mkrufky hides ** | |
| [20:08:42] | justinh: | Andycasss: you could have built it with the wrong prefix. the default for packages is usually /usr & users are generally advised to use /usr/local (which is prolly the default). I dunno much else about that |
| [20:09:18] | Andycasss: | Yeah it installed it to usr/local |
| [20:09:23] | justinh: | Andycasss: your .configure log should tell you which prefix was used |
| [20:10:12] | justinh: | Andycasss: ahh so you maybe only need to add /usr/local to the erm.. thingy path that ldconfig uses – i.e. er.. damn can't remember |
| [20:10:35] | Andycasss: | /etc/ld.so.conf ? |
| [20:10:35] | justinh: | I'm always forgetting that |
| [20:10:38] | justinh: | aye |
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| [20:12:25] | ARfdee: | hi, any chance of fixing the issue with display when using mythtv with compiz-fusion? |
| [20:12:42] | bsdfox_: | ARfdee: what issues? |
| [20:13:15] | ** justinh mutters something about enabling legacy compatibility mode ** | |
| [20:13:50] | ARfdee: | bsdfox_: the mythfrontend starts down several pixels |
| [20:13:56] | ** justinh mutters something about enabling legacy compatibility mode again ** | |
| [20:14:14] | ARfdee: | justinh: i think that is for osmething else |
| [20:14:14] | Andycasss: | How do I restore the previous database |
| [20:14:19] | ARfdee: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3109 |
| [20:14:31] | bsdfox_: | ARfdee: strange, I run a frontend on 3 machines w/ compiz-fusion and none of them have that problem |
| [20:14:41] | ARfdee: | The "Workaround" plugin, offers the following setting "Legacy Fullscreen Support". Enable that and you should be able to use mythfrontend in fullscreen mode with Compiz. |
| [20:14:42] | ARfdee: | ooo |
| [20:15:01] | Andycasss: | I tried mysql -u<root_user> -p <mythdatabase.bak command but when i run mythbackend it tells me "Cannot login to database? Would you like to configure the database connection now?" |
| [20:15:04] | ** justinh mutters "see, did I not tell you so?" ** | |
| [20:15:08] | justinh: | ;) |
| [20:15:10] | ARfdee: | is this workaround plugin in compiz-fusion or what? |
| [20:15:13] | ARfdee: | or in myth? |
| [20:15:18] | justinh: | the former |
| [20:15:19] | bsdfox_: | Andycasss: you need to specify what database :P |
| [20:15:28] | ARfdee: | ok, enabled it |
| [20:15:50] | ARfdee: | unfortunately it doesn't seem to have fixed it:O |
| [20:15:51] | bsdfox_: | Andycasss: mysql -u mysql -p mythconverg < mythdatabase.bak |
| [20:15:59] | justinh: | ARfdee: try restarting mythfrontend |
| [20:16:03] | ARfdee: | i did |
| [20:16:12] | justinh: | then try sacrificing a goat a midnight |
| [20:16:15] | bsdfox_: | I am running on gentoo and it works fine :\ |
| [20:16:22] | justinh: | use the special Mythic Scabbard |
| [20:16:24] | Andycasss: | bsdfox_: I had all the mysql, mythconverg and the 3rd one in mythdatabase,bak |
| [20:16:40] | Andycasss: | bsdfox_: should i put all 3 of em in there? |
| [20:16:49] | bsdfox_: | I don't think it works that way |
| [20:16:49] | ARfdee: | wait, do they only work if you use metacity and now emerald? |
| [20:17:00] | justinh: | or – now here's a revelation that won't be popular.. turn off the pointless toys :P |
| [20:17:09] | ARfdee: | justinh: nah |
| [20:17:12] | ARfdee: | i like em |
| [20:17:14] | ARfdee: | and they are not pointless |
| [20:17:21] | justinh: | they SO are :) |
| [20:17:49] | ARfdee: | here's an idea |
| [20:17:51] | ARfdee: | let's get rid of X |
| [20:17:55] | ARfdee: | and just go back to console |
| [20:18:07] | justinh: | that's going too far |
| [20:18:18] | justinh: | I don't need windows to explode in flames when I minimise em |
| [20:18:19] | ARfdee: | why? |
| [20:19:18] | justinh: | anyway it seems to me you have a choice. either turn the effects off & have mythtv work properly, or don't |
| [20:19:43] | Andycasss: | bsdfox_: Even when i use the mythconverg db name, it still doesnt want to work |
| [20:20:02] | Andycasss: | bsdfox_: I guess I screwed it up by sticking all of those 3 databases in one bak file |
| [20:20:11] | bsdfox_: | yeah |
| [20:20:16] | Andycasss: | Any way to fix it? |
| [20:20:26] | Andycasss: | My database, just in case: http://andycas.planet.ee/files/mythdatabase.bak |
| [20:20:31] | justinh: | Andycasss: probably. is it worth fixing? |
| [20:20:57] | justinh: | if it's a mysqldump it'll certainly be fixable |
| [20:21:01] | ARfdee: | justinh: should i run mythtv in a window? |
| [20:21:21] | justinh: | ARfdee: I dunno. I don't have toys on my frontend |
| [20:21:28] | Andycasss: | justinh: Does it take alot of time? |
| [20:21:34] | justinh: | Andycasss: depends |
| [20:21:49] | Andycasss: | Bah, how do i create a new one? |
| [20:22:16] | Andycasss: | What Database host name should I use? Anykind? |
| [20:22:32] | seth|web: | i run mythtv in compiz-fusion w/ no issues, and I like watching my windows close and burst into flame :P hehe |
| [20:22:55] | justinh: | Andycasss: copy the .bak file to a new one & just chop out all the stuff for everything except mythconverg |
| [20:23:27] | justinh: | Andycasss: such as the line with "Current Database: `mysql`" downwards, including that line |
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| [20:24:38] | justinh: | or split the .bak file into 3 files, like mysqlback.bak, mythconvergbackup.bak & usrnackup.bak |
| [20:24:49] | justinh: | then you can restore each of them if you need to |
| [20:24:58] | Andycasss: | okay |
| [20:26:01] | justinh: | next time if I were you I'd only backup one DB to a file of its own at a time |
| [20:26:15] | justinh: | saves effort when the backup gets much bigger |
| [20:26:18] | Andycasss: | Yeah, I'll know that next time |
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| [20:26:41] | Andycasss: | I cant edit the bak file... gedit just freezes :P |
| [20:26:59] | bsdfox_: | Andycasss: give it time |
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| [20:27:17] | justinh: | Andycasss: get grep to count which line "Current Database: `mysql`" is on, then cat the 1st so many lines out of mythdatabase.bak to a new file |
| [20:37:50] | justinh: | Andycasss: try http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/newmythdatabase.bak |
| [20:41:22] | Andycasss: | Thanks, but i get this when i try to launch mythbackend: "QMYSQL3: Unable to connect Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" |
| [20:41:33] | justinh: | oops |
| [20:41:53] | justinh: | user privileges etc yada yada |
| [20:42:19] | justinh: | Andycasss: moved to the /images/ folder |
| [20:42:38] | justinh: | I keep forgetting about my draconian htaccess |
| [20:45:36] | Andycasss: | Thanks, but still... When I try launching mythbackend i get those errors... |
| [20:45:59] | justinh: | does the user mythbackend is trying to use EXIST ? |
| [20:46:23] | Andycasss: | Sorry, no idea :( |
| [20:46:41] | justinh: | the mysql user? |
| [20:47:10] | Andycasss: | I guess... |
| [20:47:30] | justinh: | well try mysql -u mythtv -p$thepassword |
| [20:47:33] | Andycasss: | I could access my mysql with mythtv, i didnt know the pass so i had to use root |
| [20:47:48] | Andycasss: | couldnt* |
| [20:47:53] | justinh: | if you have root access, change the mythtv mysql user's password |
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| [20:50:45] | jduggan: | dont forget to flush privileges |
| [20:50:52] | jduggan: | :) |
| [20:51:44] | Andycasss: | Ok ive changed the pass, how to flush privileges? |
| [20:52:29] | justinh: | flush privileges; |
| [20:52:40] | justinh: | mysql -u foo -pfoo2 |
| [20:52:43] | justinh: | flush privileges; |
| [20:52:45] | justinh: | exit |
| [20:52:49] | justinh: | bing! |
| [20:53:00] | justinh: | (ish) |
| [20:54:00] | Andycasss: | hm, even with the new pass for mythtv, i cant access |
| [20:54:16] | Andycasss: | How to check if its under the mythtv group? |
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| [20:58:17] | Andycasss: | I can access mysql with root |
| [20:58:30] | Andycasss: | Can i restore the db from there? |
| [20:59:28] | Yahooadam: | hmmm ... should be able to |
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| [20:59:35] | Yahooadam: | depends if you backup has permissions set |
| [20:59:54] | Yahooadam: | (umm i mean if it has the permissions in it) which it probably doesnt |
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| [21:00:03] | Yahooadam: | and there arent groups in mysql |
| [21:06:00] | Andycasss: | Nope, no groups or permissions |
| [21:06:19] | Andycasss: | I dont understand what the hell is wrong with this... It just doesnt accept |
| [21:06:46] | Yahooadam: | does the user have permission to access the databsae? |
| [21:06:49] | Yahooadam: | database# |
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| [21:07:39] | Andycasss: | I dont know, how to check? |
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| [21:10:16] | Andycasss: | Meh i just create a new one |
| [21:10:31] | Andycasss: | what value should i use for database non default port? |
| [21:10:32] | Andycasss: | 0? |
| [21:11:14] | Yahooadam: | do you use phpmyadmin? |
| [21:11:37] | Andycasss: | no |
| [21:16:13] | Andycasss: | hello?? |
| [21:16:16] | Yahooadam: | umm |
| [21:16:24] | Yahooadam: | i dunno how to check with sql commands |
| [21:16:46] | Yahooadam: | 2 secs |
| [21:18:27] | Yahooadam: | umm |
| [21:18:47] | Yahooadam: | well the are stored in information_schema in the table USER_PRIVILEGES |
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| [21:19:48] | Yahooadam: | and you have a record like 'mythtv'@'%' NULL USAGE NO |
| [21:19:55] | Yahooadam: | but thats a really hard way to work it out |
| [21:20:25] | Yahooadam: | and it doesnt help either |
| [21:20:32] | Yahooadam: | umm |
| [21:20:45] | Yahooadam: | I reccomend you install phpmyadmin if your going to use mythtv :p |
| [21:20:55] | Andycasss: | Ok i just made a new database and i still cannot access it |
| [21:20:58] | Yahooadam: | on ubuntu its as easy as sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin |
| [21:20:58] | Andycasss: | What the hell :( |
| [21:21:39] | Yahooadam: | beacause you have to grant permissions on the table for a user |
| [21:21:46] | Yahooadam: | unless your root ... |
| [21:22:15] | Andycasss: | how to grant access? |
| [21:23:45] | Yahooadam: | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/grant.html |
| [21:24:09] | Andycasss: | Ooh, its that compilcated... |
| [21:24:30] | Yahooadam: | GRANT ALL ON mydb.* TO 'someuser'@'somehost'; |
| [21:24:57] | Andycasss: | can i do it without phpmyadmin? |
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| [21:25:01] | Yahooadam: | yes |
| [21:25:07] | Yahooadam: | phpmyadmin is just hella easy |
| [21:25:26] | Yahooadam: | plus if your going to use mythweb (and you should) you need apache and php anyway, therefore its like 10mb Disk space |
| [21:25:33] | bsdfox_: | Yahooadam: you live in california, don't you :) |
| [21:25:37] | bsdfox_: | bay area specifically |
| [21:25:44] | Yahooadam: | nope :) |
| [21:25:56] | Yahooadam: | im guessing that refers to "hella" |
| [21:26:03] | bsdfox_: | yep :) |
| [21:26:09] | iamlindoro_: | ha, BSD, *I* don't say hella ;) |
| [21:26:24] | bsdfox_: | I used to until I went to school in santa cruz |
| [21:26:34] | bsdfox_: | then I was ridiculed until I gave it up |
| [21:26:37] | bsdfox_: | :P |
| [21:26:42] | iamlindoro_: | You banana slug, you |
| [21:26:47] | Yahooadam: | ive watched south park recently :p |
| [21:27:09] | Andycasss: | Oh well, its too late in here, guess I'll just have to come back tomorrow and haunt you again... |
| [21:27:10] | Andycasss: | Bye |
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| [21:27:14] | bsdfox_: | best mascott ever |
| [21:27:32] | iamlindoro_: | No Hairy hippie chicks for me, thanks |
| [21:27:32] | iamlindoro_: | ha |
| [21:28:10] | bsdfox_: | yeah I hate hippies too |
| [21:28:23] | iamlindoro_: | I seldom get over there, Hwy 17 is too much of a chore |
| [21:28:33] | bsdfox_: | you in san jose? |
| [21:28:37] | iamlindoro_: | Yup |
| [21:28:53] | bsdfox_: | I was working down there until a couple months ago |
| [21:29:16] | iamlindoro_: | I can actually see 880/17 out my work window right this second |
| [21:29:32] | BULLE: | bsdfox_: you dont like me =( |
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| [21:31:01] | bsdfox_: | I worked at gateway place |
| [21:31:19] | bsdfox_: | basically right where brokaw turns into airport blvd |
| [21:33:27] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, ok... I used to work up off Brokaw a lifetime ago |
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| [22:11:20] | Anynomous: | I need kernel 2.6.23 for Feisty ... can I download a deb somewhere or do I have to compile? |
| [22:11:32] | Anynomous: | I need to get HVR 3000 running |
| [22:12:40] | iamlindoro_: | Current Kernel, even on Gutsy, is 2.6.22–14, so my guess is you need to compile |
| [22:12:52] | iamlindoro_: | That is, current kernel through their system |
| [22:13:09] | Anynomous: | I hoped I could download a backport or similar. |
| [22:13:32] | Anynomous: | Just need to find out if the HVR-3000 can work at all, or if we need to return it and buy another one. |
| [22:13:34] | cesman: | Anynomous: why would you need the kernel for that? |
| [22:13:50] | Anynomous: | cesman, If you have another way it can work, I'm all ears. :D |
| [22:13:52] | cesman: | get the latest "tip" from V2L/DVB |
| [22:13:59] | iamlindoro_: | apt-get update and agt-cache search kernel |grep 2.6.23 shows no results |
| [22:14:01] | justinh: | don't know if the hvr3000 is even supported in linux yet |
| [22:14:06] | cesman: | all you'll need is the headers from the kernel you have now |
| [22:14:17] | justinh: | search the linuxtv mailing lists |
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| [22:14:34] | cesman: | Anynomous: what justinh said... |
| [22:14:36] | Anynomous: | cesman, "tip"? Is that module thing? |
| [22:14:52] | Anynomous: | By V2L you mean V4L, right? |
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| [22:15:01] | cesman: | no, that is the latest drivers for all tv related modules |
| [22:15:06] | cesman: | right |
| [22:15:11] | cesman: | v4l |
| [22:17:21] | justinh: | //www.mail-archive.com/linux-dvb@linuxtv.org/msg24885.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-dvb@linuxtv.org/msg24885.html |
| [22:17:39] | Anynomous: | Thanks justinh |
| [22:17:49] | justinh: | looks pretty much like 'swap it' |
| [22:18:19] | justinh: | or maybe not |
| [22:18:31] | justinh: | other postings are asking when the branch will be merged |
| [22:18:53] | Anynomous: | Which card is supreme ... |
| [22:18:59] | Anynomous: | If I want the best, what do I buy? |
| [22:19:15] | justinh: | personally I would avoid all those 'hybrid' cards |
| [22:19:37] | justinh: | if you want analogue and two types of DVB, get one card for each – much more flexible that way |
| [22:19:57] | justinh: | since generally you can only use one part of a hybrid card at a time |
| [22:20:25] | Anynomous: | You mean extra tuners are not supported anyhow? |
| [22:21:34] | cesman: | less I'm mistaken, hybrid cards aren't currently supported |
| [22:21:56] | cesman: | that is, you cannot use the analog, then switch to the digital |
| [22:22:42] | Anynomous: | OK |
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| [22:23:11] | Anynomous: | Danish homepage recommends PVR-350? |
| [22:23:18] | mkrufky: | hey |
| [22:23:20] | Anynomous: | (or something like that .. PVB?) |
| [22:23:23] | mkrufky: | steve was in a bad mood that day |
| [22:23:28] | mkrufky: | hvr3000 *is* supported |
| [22:23:28] | cesman: | there is the v4l/dvb man |
| [22:23:37] | Anynomous: | mkrufky, Really? |
| [22:23:38] | mkrufky: | but not FULLY supported |
| [22:23:46] | Anynomous: | Meaning? |
| [22:23:54] | mkrufky: | yes, Anynomous ... did you ignore me when i answered you in #linuxtv ? |
| [22:24:06] | Anynomous: | Sorry .. lemme check that channel |
| [22:24:10] | mkrufky: | analog and dvb-t work |
| [22:24:12] | Anynomous: | Not used to xchat |
| [22:24:19] | mkrufky: | dvb-s CAN work, but im not going to tell you how ;-) |
| [22:24:32] | mkrufky: | you'll have to google around for a patch that will never be merged |
| [22:24:45] | mkrufky: | and maybe one day the support can be added a better way |
| [22:25:02] | mkrufky: | i think a guy, nico sabe? i think he made a patch that makes dvb-t / dvb-s selectable via module option |
| [22:25:04] | mkrufky: | (ugly) |
| [22:25:37] | Anynomous: | What kernel do I need for DVB-T .. and do I need to patch it? |
| [22:25:48] | Anynomous: | (If you know offhand) |
| [22:25:54] | Anynomous: | (or know where I can find the info) |
| [22:25:58] | mkrufky: | Anynomous: read the "repo howto" link in channel topic of #linuxtv |
| [22:25:59] | Anynomous: | Some say 2.6.18 |
| [22:26:06] | Anynomous: | repo? |
| [22:26:35] | mkrufky: | yeah, my fault — i picked a bad name, but we're stuck with it now |
| [22:26:38] | Anynomous: | http://www.linuxtv.org/repo |
| [22:26:41] | mkrufky: | http://linuxtv.org/repo |
| [22:27:27] | Anynomous: | So basicly I just need to compile this magic stuff and it will run with the stuck 2.6.20 kernel? |
| [22:27:53] | Anynomous: | (This is for GNU/Linux Media Center Edition (MCE) .. based on kubuntu 7.04) |
| [22:28:13] | Anynomous: | s/stuck/stock?/ |
| [22:29:01] | cesman: | I'm a KnoppMyth man myself ;) |
| [22:29:08] | cesman: | couldn't tell you about Linux MCE |
| [22:29:28] | directhex: | linux mce is barely mythtv |
| [22:29:46] | iamlindoro_: | Heh. Step One) Hello! Please Solve my problem! Step Two) Problem solving ensues. Step Three) PS, I'm not really running Myth. |
| [22:29:47] | Anynomous: | It seems to use Myth for playback and stuff though? |
| [22:30:14] | directhex: | it uses mythtv's backend for recording, that's about it |
| [22:30:56] | Anynomous: | OK .. I am pretty new to this stuff ... but I guess you might have guessed by now. :) |
| [22:31:38] | mkrufky: | probably new to irc, too ;-) |
| [22:34:30] | Anynomous: | new to xchat |
| [22:34:38] | Anynomous: | .. at least this version of xchat |
| [22:42:13] | iamlindoro_: | Hrm, I really like this miscellaneous status info feature. Never really looked at it before today. I think I'll adjust all my user jobs to provide backend with info. |
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| [22:50:12] | bsdfox_: | iamlindoro: ooh docs? |
| [22:50:16] | bsdfox_: | I want to do that also |
| [22:50:27] | iamlindoro_: | contrib/misc_status_info/README |
| [22:50:59] | iamlindoro_: | Seems pretty simple/snazzy... I'll just do something simple like just pipe my script to a file and read it in with another little script, I think |
| [22:51:29] | bsdfox_: | grr must only be in trunk |
| [22:51:46] | iamlindoro_: | oh. Hrm, yeah, maybe |
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| [22:54:40] | rc: | hi all. anyone using a via pm800 chipset and have HD playback working? |
| [22:55:39] | iamlindoro_: | rc, what would the problem be with that chipset? So long as you have a decent P4 in it, I don't see why it wouldn't work fine |
| [22:55:50] | directhex: | iamlindoro, mpeg2, sure |
| [22:55:55] | iamlindoro_: | right |
| [22:56:21] | directhex: | bloody gnome panel's ignoring mr |
| [22:57:04] | rc: | the screen is scrambled. pbars from the right third of the screen are displayed on the left |
| [22:57:06] | bsdfox_: | rc: I have a p4m800pro-m system that plays 1080 |
| [22:57:19] | bsdfox_: | are you using the onboard video? cause it sucks |
| [22:57:44] | rc: | i am trying to. have been for a while |
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| [22:57:58] | iamlindoro_: | Hrm, yeah, probably not a chipset issue, I would think |
| [22:58:14] | bsdfox_: | mine has a core duo and a 6600gt |
| [22:58:16] | rc: | it plays fine with xine |
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| [22:59:22] | rc: | i only have a p4 2.8 ghz. but when playing back accelerated in xine cpu usage is about 5–10% |
| [22:59:47] | iamlindoro_: | Should be fine for MPeg-2 HD... more than enough processor |
| [22:59:50] | bsdfox_: | what kinda hd are you playing |
| [22:59:53] | iamlindoro_: | x.264, maybe not so much |
| [23:00:04] | bsdfox_: | yeah I'd agree |
| [23:00:15] | bsdfox_: | rc: are you using via xvmc? |
| [23:00:23] | rc: | mpeg2 720p from broadcast |
| [23:00:30] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, should work just fine |
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| [23:01:06] | rc: | yes, via xvmc, with the --xvmc-pro option compiled in |
| [23:01:07] | iamlindoro_: | I think the via XVMC is pretty sketchy... if you're using it you might want to try just the normal mepg-2 software decode in myth |
| [23:01:14] | iamlindoro_: | er mpeg |
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| [23:02:08] | rc: | i haven't tried that in a while, but it seems like it was choppy. i'll double check |
| [23:02:15] | justinh: | via boards suck. I know, I have one |
| [23:02:32] | iamlindoro_: | See if it clears up the issue, though, then we'll know if it's an xvmc issue or otherwise.... even if it's jumpy |
| [23:02:41] | bsdfox_: | mine isn't bad for a $80 mobo+cpu combo :P |
| [23:02:45] | iamlindoro_: | hahaha, Justin, I was just going to mention you and say if you wanted an earful about via, ask you |
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| [23:03:36] | justinh: | bsdfox_: my core2 duo FE will have cost about $140 at current exchange rates – cpu, mobo, ram |
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| [23:04:11] | justinh: | buggeration. need to buy a new suit tomorrow. good job I tried my old one on tonight |
| [23:04:52] | cesman: | :) |
| [23:05:24] | justinh: | I have about 5 suits. most are only 30 inch waist in the trouser. damn married life |
| [23:05:56] | justinh: | typical that one I know fits, the trousers are no longer present (like wtf?) |
| [23:06:05] | directhex: | moths ate them |
| [23:06:13] | directhex: | that's why you need mothballs |
| [23:06:18] | justinh: | I hate going to weddings too. thought mine would be the last one I ever went to |
| [23:06:58] | rc: | tried "standard" and ffmpeg. both had the same distortion, and were very choppy |
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| [23:07:29] | justinh: | rc: welcome to the world of the Via owner :( |
| [23:07:50] | justinh: | there's no substitute for proper boards with proper CPUs |
| [23:07:59] | justinh: | I learned that the hard way |
| [23:08:13] | justinh: | my '1Ghz' board can't play back even SDTV mpeg2 without xvmc |
| [23:08:43] | justinh: | sure they're a damn fine idea. sadly the reality is, they suck |
| [23:08:56] | rc: | so all that BS via talks about on thier site is just BS |
| [23:09:16] | rc: | damn POS |
| [23:10:17] | justinh: | playback in Xine is generally ok so long as xvmc is enabled |
| [23:10:18] | rc: | how about the official via drivers. i know they are supposed to have a lot of security holes, but i'm not really concerned about them |
| [23:10:39] | justinh: | rc: they might be tricky to get working |
| [23:11:00] | justinh: | I think the problem all over is xvmc. it's just not what it's cracked up to be |
| [23:11:27] | justinh: | it's taken a while for me to have that sink in |
| [23:11:53] | rc: | so i should just buy an nvidia card and be done with it? |
| [23:12:12] | iamlindoro_: | YES! |
| [23:12:13] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [23:12:31] | iamlindoro_: | If that's an option. nVidia cards = So good and simple |
| [23:12:31] | bsdfox_: | rc: are you using the openchrome drivers? |
| [23:12:45] | justinh: | when you can get a bargain motherboard that'll take core2 mobile CPUs, CPU & so-dimm ram for less than an epia board costs, just do that instead :) |
| [23:12:50] | bsdfox_: | you can get a 7200 for like $30 on newegg |
| [23:13:09] | rc: | yes, openchrome |
| [23:13:56] | rc: | really $30. i only have an AGP slot |
| [23:14:12] | justinh: | rc: if it's one of those boards with integrated CPU, a nvidia card probably won't help |
| [23:14:15] | iamlindoro_: | Even cheaper, get an ebay one for $5 |
| [23:14:27] | iamlindoro_: | should be lots of AGP cards out there for next to nothing |
| [23:14:32] | justinh: | those _rely_ on the full mpeg decoders onboard |
| [23:14:56] | rc: | no, it has separate processor. socket 478 |
| [23:14:57] | iamlindoro_: | I think he's got a P4 board |
| [23:15:02] | justinh: | rc: phew! |
| [23:15:14] | bsdfox_: | rc: yeah just ebay a 5200 or something |
| [23:15:24] | justinh: | yeah in that case do as the guys are saying |
| [23:15:32] | justinh: | should be fine |
| [23:15:36] | bsdfox_: | actually might want to get a 6xxx series at least |
| [23:15:47] | rc: | will 5200 playback hd smoothly? |
| [23:15:51] | justinh: | worth the $30 or whatever |
| [23:16:19] | justinh: | rc – what CPU ? |
| [23:19:14] | rc: | p4 2.8 ghz |
| [23:19:21] | rc: | celeron |
| [23:20:01] | bsdfox_: | rc: 720 sure |
| [23:22:31] | rc: | how about 1080i? |
| [23:23:07] | cesman: | probably |
| [23:23:18] | cesman: | just use XvMC |
| [23:23:41] | iamlindoro_: | rc, I got 1080i working in a 2.4 Ghz, but that was a P4 proper, not Celery |
| [23:23:51] | iamlindoro_: | w/ nVidia XvMx |
| [23:23:54] | iamlindoro_: | er XvMc |
| [23:24:01] | cesman: | XvMC w/ nvidia has come a LONG way |
| [23:24:30] | rc: | sounds like nvidia is the way to to go |
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| [23:25:33] | Yahooadam: | are md5 hashes different per computer? |
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| [23:25:39] | Yahooadam: | or should they all be the same? |
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| [23:26:43] | Yahooadam: | nvm thats a stupid question |
| [23:27:26] | justinh: | Yahooadam: depends what the hash is of :P |
| [23:27:40] | Yahooadam: | a string |
| [23:27:46] | Yahooadam: | like jkl |
| [23:28:03] | rc22: | thanks everyone |
| [23:28:04] | Yahooadam: | which should MD5 to 699a474e923b8da5d7aefbfc54a8a2bd i believe |
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| [23:28:26] | justinh: | you just have me an eeeevil idea |
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| [23:28:37] | justinh: | s/have/gave |
| [23:29:03] | GreyFoxx: | $ echo "jlk" > md5source; md5sum md5source |
| [23:29:03] | GreyFoxx: | b523ba96f1dc671fcb5d1133c85f275a md5source |
| [23:29:09] | bsdfox_: | iamlindoro: h264? |
| [23:29:26] | GreyFoxx: | I get the same md5 value on all my machines |
| [23:29:30] | iamlindoro_: | bsdfox, what about it? |
| [23:29:43] | GreyFoxx: | jkl = 930d9cadc79f1c27525d5fbc1b6e6bc1 |
| [23:29:52] | Yahooadam: | wtf |
| [23:29:56] | justinh: | bsdfox_: h264 needs way more grunt to decode |
| [23:30:11] | justinh: | like _waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay_ more |
| [23:30:13] | Yahooadam: | why is the server i md5'd on giving a different result |
| [23:30:22] | Yahooadam: | <?php |
| [23:30:22] | Yahooadam: | $str = 'jkl'; |
| [23:30:22] | Yahooadam: | echo md5($str); |
| [23:30:22] | Yahooadam: | ?> |
| [23:30:40] | justinh: | different string |
| [23:30:43] | iamlindoro_: | yeah... My two frontends handle it, but my lesser (Core 2 2.4) is definitely humping to do a 1080p with a fresh build of mplayer |
| [23:30:48] | GreyFoxx: | I've never used php's md5() function, no idea what if anything is different |
| [23:30:54] | Yahooadam: | GreyFoxx: jkl = 930d9cadc79f1c27525d5fbc1b6e6bc1 |
| [23:31:06] | justinh: | jkl vs jlk :P |
| [23:31:06] | GreyFoxx: | <GreyFoxx> jkl = 930d9cadc79f1c27525d5fbc1b6e6bc1 |
| [23:31:06] | Yahooadam: | so he's using the same string as me |
| [23:31:16] | GreyFoxx: | I said that... after I realized I originally used the wrong one :) |
| [23:31:26] | directhex: | Yahooadam, lack of \n |
| [23:32:11] | Yahooadam: | huh directhex? |
| [23:32:14] | BULLE: | iamlindoro_: "humping to do a 1080p" means what, i more easy to understnad english, that it barely manages it, or that it doesnt or that it does ? |
| [23:32:24] | iamlindoro_: | Barely manages :) |
| [23:32:29] | directhex: | jkldirecthex@mortos:~$ echo -n "jkl" | md5sum |
| [23:32:29] | directhex: | 699a474e923b8da5d7aefbfc54a8a2bd - |
| [23:32:29] | directhex: | directhex@mortos:~$ echo "jkl" | md5sum |
| [23:32:29] | directhex: | 930d9cadc79f1c27525d5fbc1b6e6bc1 - |
| [23:32:51] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh that makes sense. I didn't consider the carriage return |
| [23:32:57] | directhex: | 930 etc is the md5sum for "jkl\n" not "jkl" |
| [23:33:11] | Yahooadam: | ahh :) |
| [23:33:12] | Yahooadam: | ty :) |
| [23:33:15] | iamlindoro_: | Was playing BBC "Planet Earth" in 1080p on it last night and it just manages on my lesser frontend... even then, it can occasionally slow down |
| [23:33:16] | Yahooadam: | so its the same as mine then |
| [23:33:27] | Yahooadam: | now i jsut need to get that to work in – *groan* vb.net |
| [23:33:46] | BULLE: | iamlindoro_: hmm, so my core 2 that runs at 2.4ghz now, but can go faster if needed, should be able to handle it then, nice to know |
| [23:33:54] | ali1234: | directhex: did you try that bluetooth bonding script i sent? |
| [23:34:06] | BULLE: | Yahooadam: vb.net ? |
| [23:34:14] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, that's anecdoatl and could fail at higher bitrates, but working ok for me in that one example |
| [23:34:18] | iamlindoro_: | er anecdotal |
| [23:34:22] | directhex: | Yahooadam, System.Security.Cryptography namespace |
| [23:34:28] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: and in mythtv? ;) |
| [23:34:43] | directhex: | ali1234, haven't had a chance. do you want me to upload it to my site, to replace the existing one? |
| [23:34:45] | iamlindoro_: | well, launched from myth but played in mplayer svn from this week |
| [23:34:48] | BULLE: | iamlindoro_: what bitrates are we talking about, the file you used ? pretty high i assume ? |
| [23:34:55] | iamlindoro_: | hang on, I'll let you know |
| [23:35:27] | iamlindoro_: | ffmpeg reports 20.44 Mb |
| [23:36:00] | ali1234: | directhex: if it works... i have no way to test it. |
| [23:36:23] | iamlindoro_: | so yeah, fairly high... I've seen higher (31 Mb) on a Blu-ray disc, and that works fine on my Q6600, but haven't tried it on the Core 2 |
| [23:36:40] | ali1234: | well, the bonding part works with my phone at least. |
| [23:36:46] | directhex: | Yahooadam, see http://aspnet.4guysfromrolla.com/articles/103002-1.aspx for vb.net example |
| [23:37:21] | directhex: | Yahooadam, vb.net is a junk language though, you should switch to c# for all new code (they interop flawlessly) |
| [23:37:37] | Yahooadam: | im only using vb.net cos i can use it :p |
| [23:37:51] | ali1234: | directhex: the remote.py should be considered work-in-progress, bond.py should work with your existing script |
| [23:38:10] | bsdfox_: | iamlindoro: just overclock it a little bit :) |
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| [23:38:46] | directhex: | Yahooadam, vb.net is a junk language though, you should switch to c# for all new code (they interop flawlessly) |
| [23:39:53] | Yahooadam: | whats wrong with vb.net anyway, and isnt the sytax quite different ... |
| [23:40:22] | Yahooadam: | hell i would write the program in C++ if i had time ;) |
| [23:40:24] | directhex: | the syntax is the problem |
| [23:40:25] | Yahooadam: | but my experience with that is as limited as C# |
| [23:40:36] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, The core2 might even work, just haven't tried it with that high a bitrate |
| [23:40:40] | directhex: | all .net languages have access to the same class library, it's just in c# it isn't hell to do |
| [23:41:05] | Yahooadam: | imports system.whatever is hard? |
| [23:41:56] | directhex: | it's about code legibility. vb gets unreadable slightly after the 4th line |
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| [23:43:43] | BULLE: | Yahooadam: its time to repent |
| [23:44:35] | Yahooadam: | and java/C++ is any better, with all that object orientation and stuff :p |
| [23:44:35] | Yahooadam: | and polymorphism and that jazz |
| [23:45:11] | Yahooadam: | grr |
| [23:45:24] | Yahooadam: | why does BitConverter insert -'s every 2 Letters |
| [23:45:37] | Yahooadam: | 69–9a-47–4e-9 etc |
| [23:46:07] | bsdfox_: | sed -s/-//g |
| [23:46:10] | bsdfox_: | sed -e s/-//g |
| [23:47:12] | Yahooadam: | or just stick .Replace("-","") on the end ;) |
| [23:47:31] | ali1234: | no that wonk work |
| [23:47:52] | ali1234: | notice there's no leading 0 on the last byte... |
| [23:48:49] | Yahooadam: | do you think php will complain if you do "699A474E923B8DA5D7AEFBFC54A8A2BD" == "699a474e923b8da5d7aefbfc54a8a2bd" |
| [23:49:11] | Yahooadam: | btw it does work ali |
| [23:49:29] | ali1234: | php has multiple levels of equality for strings |
| [23:50:02] | ali1234: | yeah you just pasted half a byte :) |
| [23:50:06] | directhex: | java and c++ are very different things |
| [23:50:21] | Yahooadam: | well i can convert the chars to lcase in my program if i need |
| [23:51:02] | ali1234: | or use strcmp |
| [23:51:11] | Yahooadam: | that too |
| [23:51:20] | clever: | Yahooadam: php can convert the case of a string |
| [23:51:46] | clever: | Yahooadam: http://ca3.php.net/manual/en/function.strtolower.php |
| [23:52:00] | Yahooadam: | that too |
| [23:52:19] | Yahooadam: | but is it easier just to make the string lcase in my program and compare in php, or compare every time in php |
| [23:52:20] | clever: | if (strtolower($a) == $strtolower($b)) { |
| [23:53:31] | Yahooadam: | meh, ill cross that bridge when i come to it :) |
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