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Wednesday, November 14th, 2007, 00:06 UTC

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jeffery:

Yahooadam, I have been having intermittent problems with transcode as well.. sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't

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mzb_d800:

I do my transcodes "manually" using the frontend after I've tidied|corrected commflag

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mzb_d800:

the main difference I've made is changing the transcoding coded to mpeg4

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

interesting idea

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Yahooadam:

mine wont work _atall_

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mzb_d800:

I use lossless for "high" so that I can re-edit a previously transcoded video

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mzb_d800:

and a higher bitrate (than the default of 2200) for medium

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mzb_d800:

I think I've also got HQ and 4MV (?) enabled

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Yahooadam:

i might take a look at the transcode settings

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Yahooadam:

i really need it to work ...

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mzb_d800:

so the way I've been doing it I have auto-commflag but no auto-transcode

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Yahooadam:

mine just wont work

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mzb_d800:

so if a recording hasn't been edited&transcoded I have a red flag visible

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Yahooadam:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6671

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Yahooadam:

thats my problem

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mzb_d800:

there doesn't seem to be a nice of of putting a flag on a recording that says "I've been transcoded"

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mzb_d800:

so my method is just a usability nicety I guess

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xris:

mzb_d800: because you can transcode multiple times, and with different results.

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mzb_d800:

yes, I understand that

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xris:

and probably because no one's requested it seriously enough before.

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mzb_d800:

some "user flags" (and perhaps icons?) would be nice

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Yahooadam:

gotta love mythtv over a ssh tunnel :p

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Yahooadam:

on a virtual machine :p

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mzb_d800:

Yahooadam: :) ... using xen?

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Yahooadam:

no its on windows, so VMWare

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

ive hit a problem

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Yahooadam:

i need to do mythtv-setup – but you cant pass X through another SSH connection

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Yahooadam:

(or i dont know how if you can)

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Yahooadam:

me ---> internet ---> ssh server --> mythtv server

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Yahooadam:

unless ...

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mzb:

tunnel it

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Yahooadam:

thats what i was thinking :p

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Yahooadam:

hmm, SSH with X over the internet is sloooow :p

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AngryElf_:

so I'

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usererror:

does anyone have a work around for the weather portion of mythweb?

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usererror:

msnbc's page says the feature has been discontinued.

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AngryElf_:

so I've chown'd and chmod'ed halt reboot and shutdown but mythfrontend still won't shutdown when I click that option on exit, it keeps saying halt: must be root... any ideas?

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AngryElf_:

all three of those are chowned to the user that is running myth and chmoded to 775

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iamlindoro:

usererror: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_my . . . trunk_mythtv

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mzb:

AngryElf_: sudo

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usererror:

lindoro – thanx....apparently my searchs did not find that link the first time.

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AngryElf_:

myth doesn't call sudo, it calls halt

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AngryElf_:

mzb: ^

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iamlindoro:

usererror, all good

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mzb:

AngryElf_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . tion_Backend

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mzb:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . ion_Frontend

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Yahooadam:

AngryElf – are you using ubuntu per chance?

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mzb:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=357252

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mzb:

all from googling "mythtv halt as user" ... can't be too hard to find an answer

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Yahooadam:

if so, just follow mzb's link :)

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Yahooadam:

lol mzb

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black_Nightmare_:

back

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black_Nightmare_:

so anyway to repeat what I tried to ask earlier..anyone here know about the geforce ti4200's?

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Yahooadam:

what about them

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black_Nightmare_:

ever seen one that came as vga/vga (rather than dvi/vga) on the plate? and hmm well just curious but I presume the video-in feature they eventually had is windows only or not quite?

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Yahooadam:

wasnt the 4200 before DVI ....

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mzb_d800:

no

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Yahooadam:

as to video in ..... i dont know, did you try to google video in ti4200 linux

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mzb_d800:

I have ti4200 on this laptop

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mzb_d800:

VGA out only on the machine, but DVI+VGA on docking station

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mzb_d800:

(probably doesn't help you 1 bit)

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mzb_d800:

(plus svideo on both)

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black_Nightmare_:

heh yeah..thanks anyhow mzb (and hey there as usual) :p

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mzb_d800:

but I'd be surprised if it had video in

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mzb_d800:

gday

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black_Nightmare_:

there's someone in a local ad selling a ti4200 and photo clearly shows it as vga/vga which is a bit unusual as most ti4200 photos I've seen were dvi/vga type

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black_Nightmare_:

but if doesn't quite pan out..guess back to my original video card searches again ;)

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Yahooadam:

gnite all

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Yahooadam:

p.s. black_nightmare – 5200 ftw :p

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black_Nightmare_:

5200?

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black_Nightmare_:

the fx's?

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Yahooadam:

yeah :p

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Yahooadam:

cheap and work great

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Yahooadam:

seem to be a very popular linux card atm

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm....one moment...

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black_Nightmare_:

hm that maybe could work...I'll check re my agp support and mull about it

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black_Nightmare_:

have a good sleep anyway ;)

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usererror:

ok here is a newb question: I have my Ir Receiver for my MCE remote in my usb port but lsusb does not show any new usb devices...am i missing somethin'?

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Yahooadam:

you may actually have to set it up first usererror

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usererror:

with this lirc?

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Yahooadam:

yes

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usererror:

ok

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black_Nightmare_:

yahooadam...do you have a fx5200 already I presume?

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Yahooadam:

ummm ... 3 i think

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usererror:

i am having trouble getting that to compile, i must not have all the tools needed to compile it.

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Yahooadam:

what OS usererror ?

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usererror:

Ubuntu, but not 'mythbuntu'

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usererror:

7.10

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usererror:

i had done a command line OS install

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usererror:

then used apt to install the mythtv packages, everything is working but i want to actually get a remote to work now.

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usererror:

which came today in the mail

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Yahooadam:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_lirc_install

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usererror:

it is a mircosoft remote

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black_Nightmare_:

yahooadam...heh do you seriously use all three or just have some on shelf? :p

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Yahooadam:

i have 2 mythfrontends

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Yahooadam:

each has on in

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Yahooadam:

and my server has one incase i need some sort of display

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usererror:

DAMN IT! I was following a different wiki

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Yahooadam:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

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black_Nightmare_:

ah hm ok

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Yahooadam:

which one of those is it usererror ?

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black_Nightmare_:

yahooadam..hm just asking anyhow but are all three agp 8x slots or no?

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Yahooadam:

2 are, the other is a 4x

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Yahooadam:

doesnt really make a big difference unless you do like serious 3d gaming

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black_Nightmare_:

heh...or having agp compactibility request too ;)

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usererror:

i'm using ...

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usererror:

it's the updated version of the 2nd one model 1039

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usererror:

its called "Vista Remote"

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Yahooadam:

not the one on the end, 1069 ?

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Yahooadam:

well anyway

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Yahooadam:

you should be ok with mceusb2

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Yahooadam:

i really do need to sleep :p

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Yahooadam:

so good luck with it, gnite

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usererror:

thanks

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Yahooadam:

and u aswell black_Nightmare, hopefully u can sort somthing out :)

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iamlindoro:

usererror, it's terribly hard to screw up a mceusb2 install with gutsy

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usererror:

hmm you're right it is the one on the end.

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usererror:

but it is gray

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iamlindoro:

do the following:

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usererror:

not black

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usererror:

haha

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usererror:

thanks that'll boost my confidence

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black_Nightmare_:

yahooadam...yeah thanks

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iamlindoro:

sudo apt-get install lirc dialog

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Yahooadam:

iamdoro / usererror – that will be a problem then

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black_Nightmare_:

a 3dfx would be really nice but I could do just fine with a nvidia either way ^_^

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iamlindoro:

when asked about which config file, scroll down to Microsoft blah blah new (Philips et al)

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Yahooadam:

because thats not a plain mceusb2 – infact i think you have to use mceusb

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black_Nightmare_:

hm did I ever mentioned the restrictions I have yahooadam? (re video cards choices)

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Yahooadam:

i cant say i did

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iamlindoro:

usererror, slow down, if it's detected right you won't even have to CHOOSE the module, gutsy makes it happen automagically

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iamlindoro:

the two things I told you above should be more than enough to make it work if it's supported

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usererror:

hmm ok.

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iamlindoro:

under gutsy, anyway

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usererror:

i did what was suggested above and it's looking for the kernel source files

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Yahooadam:

iamlindoro – is that right even with the gay 1069 remote?

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usererror:

which I do not have.

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iamlindoro:

that's fine install them

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usererror:

i downloaded them with apt, but it's not untarred yet

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usererror:

ok

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usererror:

damn i am missing bz2 unzipper

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iamlindoro:

Yahooadam: should work if supported... better to just give it a shot the automagic way before flipping out about it

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iamlindoro:

usererror, don't do that, just apt them

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usererror:

i did apt them

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usererror:

which is why i'm confused on why they are not untarred

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black_Nightmare_:

1. better not be hot running since there isn't much airflow space with the neighbouring pci card 2. agp 2x (keyed toward rear alone) and well there's kinda #3 as well: not cost too much if I can help it (since when is it proper to get $7000 in parts for a $2000 car as a metaphor? heh :p )

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black_Nightmare_:

thats basically it yahooadam

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black_Nightmare_:

and hey iamlindoro :p

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iamlindoro:

you apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`

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iamlindoro:

?

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iamlindoro:

although I think gutsy names them differetly now

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iamlindoro:

hola black_nightmare

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Yahooadam:

ahhh black_Nightmare

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Yahooadam:

umm

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Yahooadam:

well the XFX cards seem ok, but they do run warm

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usererror:

Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.22-14-generic

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Yahooadam:

(XFX 5200's)

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usererror:

so i got linux-source-2.6.22

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Yahooadam:

i dont know about the 2x issue though

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iamlindoro:

usererror, apt-get install lirc should just automatically get any deps, I'm confused as to why you're talking about any sort of complaining

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black_Nightmare_:

hm say..this is a funny timing...

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mzb_d800:

black_Nightmare_: as long as the slot and card are multi-voltage you can pretty much get away with anything

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black_Nightmare_:

there's an asus fx5200 for only $30 in local ad now

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mzb_d800:

loungetv:~# lspci | grep -i nv

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mzb_d800:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev a2)

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black_Nightmare_:

mzb..heh it better be the card alone..I'm certain the slot is not

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Yahooadam:

anway, i really really have to go

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Yahooadam:

gnite :)

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mzb_d800:

loungetv:~# grep "AGP rate" /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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mzb_d800:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Detected AGP rate: 2X

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usererror:

night

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mzb_d800:

gnite

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mzb_d800:

(bx440 mobo = 2x AGP)

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usererror:

iamlindoro – did install lirc from apt and its walking me through a setup and now it wants to know where my kernel source is, which i thought was /usr/src/linux

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usererror:

but its empty

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mzb_d800:

usererror: install module-assistant

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iamlindoro:

yup

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black_Nightmare_:

*waits for asus site to load*

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iamlindoro:

Then retry to lirc

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usererror:

says that's already installed. lol

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iamlindoro:

er the

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mzb_d800:

# m-a a-i lirc-modules-source

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usererror:

ok now its downloading some headers with m-a

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usererror:

k says it's installing lirc for me...

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black_Nightmare_:

hm...looks like one identical asus V9520 product photo does show both keys

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black_Nightmare_:

hm...only $30...*ponders* :p

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iamlindoro:

Ho-lee sheeit. Mythtv + patched mplayer w/ TrueHD/E-AC3 Support + MythVideo + 1080p Matrix = Why I spent so much dang money on this new Mythbox

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usererror:

ok sweet

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usererror:

after the m-a part,

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usererror:

i ran dpkg-reconfigure lirc and selected the MSEUSB2 – philips et al

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usererror:

and it seems to have worked?

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iamlindoro:

cool

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usererror:

started lircd daemon

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iamlindoro:

run irw and press some buttons

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usererror:

but i still don't see the usb receiver for the Ir in the lsusb

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black_Nightmare_:

btw I know its a bit OT but any of you know about external pci enclosures?

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iamlindoro:

Doesn't show eHome blah blah?

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mzb_d800:

cat /proc/bus/input/devices

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usererror:

nah, all i see is my logitech mouse/kbd and gravis pad.

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usererror:

weird

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usererror:

with CAT i see logitech twice, power button (2 also) the gravis, PC speaker, and macintosh mouse emulation

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usererror:

if i point the remote at the receiver and push a button the light on the receiver does blink

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iamlindoro:

That just means It has power

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mzb_d800:

dmesg | grep -i receiver

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mzb_d800:

sounds like you haven't modprobed the driver module

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usererror:

mediacenter@mediacenter:/usr/src$ dmesg | grep -i receiver

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usererror:

[ 20.778773] bttv0: i2c: checking for TDA9875 @ 0xb0... <6>input: Logitech USB Receiver as /class/input/input2

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usererror:

[ 20.781646] input: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [Logitech USB Receiver] on usb-0000:00:1d.3–2

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usererror:

[ 20.812164] input: Logitech USB Receiver as /class/input/input3

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usererror:

[ 20.812246] input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB Receiver] on usb-0000:00:1d.3–2

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usererror:

[ 170.421883] input: Logitech USB Receiver as /class/input/input7

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usererror:

[ 170.421917] input: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [Logitech USB Receiver] on usb-0000:00:1d.3–1

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usererror:

[ 170.452044] input: Logitech USB Receiver as /class/input/input8

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usererror:

[ 170.452099] input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB Receiver] on usb-0000:00:1d.3–1

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usererror:

yeah, i have done nothing with modprobe

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iamlindoro:

mzb, my mceusb doesn't put out any dmesg output with the word receiver, but it's there :)... I was gonna say try dmesg |grep lirc

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iamlindoro:

usererror, put your pastes at pastebin.ca, not direct to channel

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mzb_d800:

driver needs to be loaded first

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usererror:

sorry

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usererror:

just did 'modprobe lirc_mceusb2'

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usererror:

redid dmesg but no new device is listed.

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mzb_d800:

# dmesg | tail

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iamlindoro:

dmesg with a grep lirc

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usererror:

that seems better: lirc_mceusb2[4]: Topseed Technology Corp. eHome Infrared Transceiver on usb4:4

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floppyears:

hi guys, mythtv has been having problems when I watch livetv, it just freezes, and I can't do anything with the remote

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iamlindoro:

usererror, just do irw and press some remote buttons

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floppyears:

the logs show a bunch of: NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

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iamlindoro:

I think we are getting silly without even trying the remote

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floppyears:

this is annoying thw W in the house and everybody else

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floppyears:

any clues on how to fix it ?

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iamlindoro:

or at least try a mode2 and then some buttons

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usererror:

iamlindoro – that got some input

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iamlindoro:

ok, so it's working fine

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usererror:

i did irw and pushed a few buttons and I get feedback

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iamlindoro:

ta-da!

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usererror:

ok

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usererror:

heh

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usererror:

now i feel like a moron

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usererror:

linux always makes me feel unintelligent. ha

[02:19:22]

usererror:

now where in the mythtv menus to i setup the buttons?

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iamlindoro:

now you can do a sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-lirc-generator and you'll be extra-special-all-set

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usererror:

maybe the option was not there.

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usererror:

ok

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iamlindoro:

It's not in the menus, you edit lircrc to adjust buttons

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usererror:

ok i've got that installed already

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usererror:

i've run it once.

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usererror:

so run it again and then edit the file?

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iamlindoro:

then I'd do a dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-lirc-generator just to be sure

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iamlindoro:

No, it doesn't give you the option to edit, just does i auto

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usererror:

ok done that

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iamlindoro:

and you can edit ~/.mythtv/lircrc to adjust buttons, but play with the defaults first before you go off half cocked

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usererror:

ok

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usererror:

i have to wait for the tv to free up now. =(

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usererror:

hopefully on the next commercial.

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usererror:

so "irw" only tests input at the prompt right?

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iamlindoro:

It tests the Working LIRCD/proper lircd.conf file

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iamlindoro:

you will probably need to restart mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

to get it all working

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usererror:

could I just do a reboot of the PC now?

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iamlindoro:

Sure, you could, but don't need to

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usererror:

in theory if i reboot should the lirc just start now

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iamlindoro:

yes

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usererror:

well i can do it now unitl a commercial

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usererror:

ok

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usererror:

i am not allowed to interrupt law & order, heh

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usererror:

my remote is still different than the three on the site

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usererror:

hang on i am uploading a pic

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usererror:

ok, rebooted but get no actions at all with the remote in myth

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iamlindoro:

Try irw again

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usererror:

oh wait

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usererror:

i bet i know what it is

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usererror:

maybe

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usererror:

i'm ssh'd in as a user that is not what myth runs under.

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usererror:

so its making the lirc file under that user

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usererror:

?

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usererror:

maybe?

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iamlindoro:

yup

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usererror:

i am checking the folders now

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iamlindoro:

That would do it

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usererror:

actually they both look the same

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usererror:

but under the remote = section it says mceusb not mceusb2

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iamlindoro:

then they're not the same

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iamlindoro:

unless they both look like that

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iamlindoro:

in which case it's fine

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iamlindoro:

because it's not the name of the module, it's the name of the remote as defined in lircd.conf

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usererror:

well irw does still work

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iamlindoro:

then your issue is your lircrc

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usererror:

and i did up, down, left right and it says mceusb

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usererror:

so this 'new' remote must us mceusb?

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

mceusb is the name of the remote as defined in lircd.conf, as I already explained

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iamlindoro:

You could call it frank, it would still work

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usererror:

oh

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iamlindoro:

if you change lircd.conf and change the word mceusb to "f-you-sucka, and then ran irw, it would say f-you-sucka Down

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iamlindoro:

d-you-sucka Up

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iamlindoro:

f-you-sucka Right

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iamlindoro:

etc

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iamlindoro:

heh

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usererror:

i see

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iamlindoro:

so anyway, if irw works, then your probalem is 100% in the lircrc

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usererror:

here is an image of my remote: http://gallery.iametarq.com/photos/2007/fall/myth/IMG_6954.JPG

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iamlindoro:

Image of the remote doesn't mean anything, you can use any remote you want, it's the receiver that determines what module it is

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iamlindoro:

and, as it's already working, it's really irrelevant

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iamlindoro:

so, as I said, your mythfrontend user needs ~/.mythtv/lircrc, and it needs to have proper permissions and be properly defined, and it will work

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iamlindoro:

because, as you installed from packages, and therefore have a version of myth with lirc support, and since irw works, it can ONLY be an issue with your lircrc

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usererror:

ok

[02:37:21]

usererror:

i am looking at the lircrc in the home dir for the myth user and it is there, it looks a bit small though

[02:37:29]

usererror:

has the up down buttons defined and various other ones.

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iamlindoro:

How do you figure it's a bit small? It's a teeny text file.

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usererror:

i mean it doesn't have all the buttons defined thats all

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iamlindoro:

That doesn't matter

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usererror:

i see another potential issue

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usererror:

ok

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iamlindoro:

all you need to get started is directions and ok

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usererror:

true

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usererror:

hang on

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usererror:

commercial again

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usererror:

going to test

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, check permissions on the file, and, if necessary, go to: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ple.mceusb2, scroll the the bottom, "Download in Original Format," and cut and paste the contents of that into your lircrc

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iamlindoro:

replacing the old one

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usererror:

oh god

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usererror:

i am such a moron

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usererror:

you are right

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usererror:

and it works now!

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usererror:

minus teaking the buttons

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usererror:

i didn't copy the lircrc file to .mythtv in the myth user's folder

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usererror:

i'm such a dumb***

[02:42:46]

usererror:

i just tested the arrows and number keys in live tv real quick for now

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usererror:

thanks for your help, i REALLY appreciate it

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iamlindoro:

No problem

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mzb_d800:

yay ... receive AND transmit working :)

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usererror:

ok who wants my next question? haha, hopefully a bit easier =)

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usererror:

I am looking at this doc on how to disable the screen saver but it looks like it'll do that for everything, can you just disable the screen saver when you're watching tv or a video? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Inst . . . 6acdfc207177

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floppyears:

Hi guys I get the following error in mythtv http://www.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1605

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floppyears:

arg sorry wrong paste

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floppyears:

the error that I get is: NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

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floppyears:

any clues on how to fix this ?

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cesman:

There is no magic bullet to fixing prebuffering pauses as far as I'm aware

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cesman:

post more details

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cesman:

you can also search the mailing list archive

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floppyears:

cesman: I'm searching now

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floppyears:

how can I get more details on this issue ?

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cesman:

for instance, what tuner you have...

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cesman:

floppyears: take a look at:http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=PerformanceOptimizeHowTo

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floppyears:

thanks cesman

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cesman:

you're welcome

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mikeones:

I want to record all Nova progams but if I can only select "Nova: Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial" and not "Nova:". Will I get all Nova shows if I set i to record Nova: Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial or will I only get this spacific title?

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cesman:

Why not select "Nova" and "Record any time/channel"?

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cesman:

That is how I'd do it...

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mikeones:

I can't find a listing that has just Nova: , they all have a sub-tile

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cesman:

Interesting as mine are all listed as "Nova" with a seperate subtitle

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** hjohnson does his expense reports **

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cesman:

and we need to know this because, you are padding it so you can buy more hardware?

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jheizer:

Can I change the channum all I want as long as I leave the freqid and atsc information along?

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jheizer:

*alone

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Der_Thomas:

hey, anyone around know how to configure MythDVD?

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Der_Thomas:

Everytime I start mtd (myth transcode daemon) it says "You do not have a DVD rip directory set. Run Setup."

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Der_Thomas:

not sure what "set up" to run

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RyeBrye:

go to mythfrontend and in your settings, specify a directory to rip dvds to

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drgeb:

how do I fix this: "videoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed"

[07:11:40]

kormoc:

Install the closed source nvidia drivers

[07:16:21]

mzb_d800:

google

[07:16:42]

mzb_d800:

(include "harmless";)

[07:19:32]

drgeb:

closed source?

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drgeb:

let me try and google

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xris:

drgeb: what distro?

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mzb_d800:

drgeb: hint if you're using nv:

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mzb_d800:

bedtv:~# cat /etc/X11/XvMCConfig

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mzb_d800:

/usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1

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justinh:

FFS! this is what I get for buying 'bargains' on ebay. 'Socket 479' motherboards that aren't socket 479, 'socket 479' CPUs that aren't socket 479. Argghhhh

[09:50:05]

Quinn_Storm:

lol

[09:50:35]

justinh:

motherboard isn't socket 479 as described in the auction, it's Socket M

[09:50:46]

justinh:

CPU isn't socket 479 as described in the auction, it's socket P

[09:51:44]

justinh:

I could have either seller for mis-describing their goods but it's probably easier just to plop the cpu back on ebay

[09:52:24]

Quinn_Storm:

just keep whichever component is better

[09:52:50]

justinh:

well, finding a desktop style motherboard which takes a T7100 is likely going to be tricky

[09:53:01]

Quinn_Storm:

hmm, true

[09:53:20]

justinh:

so bye bye cpu, hello bidding on a 'Socket M' CPU

[09:53:32]

justinh:

it's a fecking minefield

[09:53:35]

Quinn_Storm:

I miss when there was just one socket per arch-level

[09:53:44]

justinh:

heheh I miss that too

[09:53:58]

Quinn_Storm:

of course the 486 socket wasn't pin-keyed

[09:54:03]

justinh:

must cost the manufacturers more money in the long run doing things this way

[09:54:04]

Quinn_Storm:

I managed to blow a crater in a 486's packaging

[09:54:09]

Quinn_Storm:

(put it in 90deg off)

[09:54:12]

Quinn_Storm:

amazingly it still worked

[09:54:19]

Quinn_Storm:

well, once I fixed the arrangement

[09:54:59]

justinh:

".. and amazingly, despite it being 90 deg. off kilter, the connections just 'grew' the right way and it (eventually) worked! Awesome" :P

[09:55:05]

Quinn_Storm:

lol

[09:55:24]

portahex:

socket 479 is such a funny term

[09:55:46]

justinh:

so that's a lesson learned from buying PC crap on ebay. don't EVER trust the seller to have their facts right.

[09:55:59]

Quinn_Storm:

just pretend you're at Fry's

[09:56:34]

justinh:

doesn't help that the ducking Intel site doesn't specifically state what socket type a t7100 is compatible with

[09:56:50]

justinh:

also doesn't help that Aopen doesn't have a list of compatible CPUs for this board

[09:57:20]

justinh:

they just say 'merom & yonah core CPUs'. do they mean merom-lv, or merom2 ? :-\

[09:57:46]

justinh:

I think they prolly just mean 'merom' as plain as that, but it'd help if they specifically stated the facts

[09:57:49]

Quinn_Storm:

at least you're not stuck dealing with via products for work

[09:58:00]

justinh:

after this I might just give up building my own boxes

[09:59:57]

portahex:

if only there were a tiny low-noise machine with core2 in it

[10:00:13]

portahex:

Quinn_Storm, don't say that, the via defence force will smite you!

[10:00:19]

Quinn_Storm:

lol

[10:00:26]

Quinn_Storm:

well its just this particular device that I am upset with

[10:00:26]

justinh:

there is, but you can't use its analogue & digital audio out at the same time

[10:00:45]

portahex:

apparently every single epia can play all sd content with only 40% load, and is only tuppence ha'penny

[10:00:49]

justinh:

I was gonna buy a mac mini but I can't find any evidence its tv out works in PAL mode in linux

[10:01:04]

portahex:

which i was rather surprised about, but apparently everyone who disagrees with epias being the daddy is an idiot

[10:01:07]

Quinn_Storm:

the mini isn't worth it

[10:01:31]

portahex:

Quinn_Storm, it's tiny, silent, powerful, and 400 quid. what's not to like?

[10:01:35]

justinh:

and I ain't spending money on a TV with DVI just for a new frontend, esp. since I won't be playing HD for the most part. That and SD looks shite on most flat panels

[10:01:55]

Quinn_Storm:

portahex: its just not worth err...pound-symbol400

[10:02:00]

justinh:

portahex: you can't use analogue & digital audio out at the same time. one or the other

[10:02:08]

justinh:

portahex: its remote is lame too

[10:02:38]

portahex:

justinh, i only need digimatal audio, and i wouldn't use their remote anyway. so it's good for me!

[10:02:43]

portahex:

especially with educational discount

[10:02:45]

justinh:

I can program my OFA-6 remote to emulate the mac remote protocol & get up to 255 buttons working in lirc, but then I have no idea if PAL TV out works in linux

[10:02:56]

portahex:

Quinn_Storm, who makes a cheaper machine in the same class?

[10:03:04]

justinh:

it looks super-spiff too

[10:03:09]

Quinn_Storm:

err...I can't tell you yet :-P

[10:03:20]

Quinn_Storm:

though the prices I know are in USD, not sure if its gonna be available in UK

[10:03:43]

portahex:

Quinn_Storm, bah. go poke compi^Wbery^Wcompiz!

[10:04:34]

** justinh nukes Intel **

[10:04:41]

justinh:

wucking fankers

[10:04:49]

portahex:

for what, specifically?

[10:05:06]

justinh:

for having too many fecking CPU variants

[10:05:14]

justinh:

and inventing new sockets every fecking five minutes

[10:06:06]

portahex:

it appears the t7100 is available in 2 forms

[10:06:20]

justinh:

not according to wikipeedo

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justinh:

now I know wikipeedo isn't to be 100% trusted, but I tried to find plain English descriptions on the Intel site

[10:07:03]

portahex:

who're you gonna believe, some lardarse with self-diagnised arseburgers syndrome or me!

[10:07:23]

portahex:

http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLA3U and http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLA4A

[10:07:29]

portahex:

look CAREFULLY at "package type"

[10:08:27]

justinh:

micro-fcbga isn't a user-fittable one AFAIK

[10:08:37]

justinh:

BGA meaning ball grid array, or soldered

[10:08:50]

portahex:

ah, but the modern "waffle iron" cpus are all bga

[10:09:01]

portahex:

the pins are on the motherboard, not the cpu

[10:09:17]

justinh:

ffs

[10:09:27]

justinh:

you turn away for a couple of months...

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justinh:

seems I'll be alright with a t7200

[10:10:08]

portahex:

"socket 775" cpus are all bga

[10:10:42]

portahex:

the Micro-FCPGA or Micro-FCBGA t7200?

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justinh:

the former

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justinh:

heheh just my luck. a t5600 will do though

[10:15:36]

justinh:

so long as it's a SL9SG

[10:16:41]

portahex:

having fun yet?

[10:17:18]

justinh:

I know they only do this cos they can, the evil bastards

[10:17:45]

justinh:

still tempted to go for the throat of the sellers

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justinh:

they'd hardly be likely to win an argument of 'the buyer should have had a degree in CPU identification before buying'

[10:18:50]

justinh:

they ducking _said_ it was a socket 479 and it aint

[10:19:20]

justinh:

like I said, not that a 479 cpu would've been much good to me but that's not the point ;)

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portahex:

it's not as if they could argue it had 479 pins, either

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Quinn_Storm:

lol

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[10:24:20]

justinh:

Intel are definitely worthy of Room 101

[10:26:50]

justinh:

God only knows how bad AMD have got

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jduggan:

justinh: we were all saying the same thing about intel a few years back

[10:48:25]

jduggan:

it will cycle like this for years to come ;)

[10:49:35]

portahex:

amd has had socket 754, socket 939, socket 940, and socket am2 for desktop amd64 machines

[10:49:55]

portahex:

and before you say it, early athlon fx consumer-grade cpus were 940

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justinh:

last time I bought a motherboard it had the cpu built onto it

[10:51:44]

justinh:

and that'll be the last time I ever buy one like that

[10:52:00]

justinh:

but this experience isn't making me too keen on putting my own box together again

[10:52:22]

portahex:

i run socket 939 on my home pc, socket a on the wife's pc, lga775 on the mythbackend, and god knows on the office pc

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hashbang:

justinh: I last built my own machines in late 2002. I'll probably buy a low-end Dell next time, since they're "Good Enough" for my purposes these days, and it's hard to beat Dell's economies of scale. And then, as you've discovered, there's the hours of research one sometimes needs to do to merely find stuff that'll play together, and it just gets more vague and complicated every year.

[12:00:48]

justinh:

well, I've got my list of compatible CPUs now, though not from Aopen

[12:01:02]

portahex:

i'll continue to build my own. no company can tick every one of my boxes, when it comes to a desktop pc

[12:01:54]

justinh:

will it run firefox? tick. will it run putty? tick. vncviewer worky? tick. Inkscape & PSP ? tick :)

[12:03:28]

portahex:

then just buy a dell, your requirements are simple

[12:03:36]

portahex:

they'll even sell one with loonicks preinstalled

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mzb_d800:

will it suit as my "second purpose" machine once it's finished it's primary purpose, how "future proof" will it be .... etc etc ... there's a lot more to it than "will it run firefox"

[12:04:44]

portahex:

my machine is pimp!

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justinh:

I occasionally do stuff that needs loads of IO & CPU cycles, but comparatively speaking it doesn't matter whether a task takes 8 hours or 2 hours. it's still too long to have to wait, so it runs overnight

[12:06:59]

mzb_d800:

I mean ... for eg.... does it have enough USB2 ports for current use (and future use), does it have enough SATA ports ... are they SATA2 ... and so on

[12:07:14]

mzb_d800:

takes me weeks|months to decide on a board

[12:07:33]

Der_Thomas:

hey, anyone around know how to configure MythDVD?

[12:07:33]

mzb_d800:

+ price + retailer + cpu ... etc

[12:07:38]

justinh:

it can take less time for a new socket to replace a current one. :P

[12:07:39]

Der_Thomas:

Everytime I start mtd (myth transcode daemon) it says "You do not have a DVD rip directory set. Run Setup."

[12:07:45]

Der_Thomas:

not sure what "set up" to run

[12:08:03]

justinh:

Der_Thomas: utils/setup > media settings > yada yada yada

[12:08:18]

Der_Thomas:

Justinh: I've set a temp directory, is this asking for a different dir?

[12:08:42]

justinh:

probably asking where you want the rips to be stored

[12:08:54]

justinh:

IIRC it'll use the default mythvideo directory

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Der_Thomas:

well I already have a dir set for mythvideo (two actyallu could that be a prob) and a temp dir set for Mythdvd

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justinh:

always cool to make sure the user mtd runs as has permission to write to the dirs ;)

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Der_Thomas:

right, I chmod a+rw for both dirs

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** justinh sets up a bunch of new snipes **

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justinh:

okay then. tell you what. if I get £400 in donations by Friday, I'll make a 4:3 version of glass-wide :)

[12:28:41]

justinh:

and I promise I'll declare it to the taxman

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justinh:

bounty-licious

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Der_Thomas:

dude, I've run glass-wide (and other -wide) thmems on a 4:3 and it doesn't look that bad. It actually scales pretty well

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justinh:

I bet the rounded corners on genbox.png look a bit crap though

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justinh:

well, just give me the £400 donations anyway. then I'll just buy a mac mini

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Der_Thomas:

not sure, I don't know what genbox.png is

[12:31:22]

justinh:

or hell, just give me a mac mini :)

[12:31:25]

Der_Thomas:

haha

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mzb_d800:

heh

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justinh:

genbox.png is the box which is on just about every screen – watch recordings, upcoming recordings, delete recordings..

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Dibblah:

Oh, I needed that laugh.

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Dibblah:

http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.ph . . . p;ssid=71239

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justinh:

I dunno wth I'm in such a rush to get this CPU for anyway – it's not as if I can do anything with it til next week now anyway

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mzb_d800:

I'll admit I don't know much about the complexities of themes, but I doubt that a donation to you would help with my 4:3 setup

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Dibblah:

I don't quite see how, but... They've managed to make the MythMusic UI _worse_.

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justinh:

ahh it's HELIOCRAP again

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Dibblah:

Uhm... How can they be *happy* with releasing a screenshot like that?

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justinh:

they've taken my name in vain & I've not heard from them how they're gonna fix it

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justinh:

Dibblah: have you even looked in their source? it's even funnier believe me

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justinh:

"sudo wget"

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Dibblah:

justinh: You're in trouble now.

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Der_Thomas:

ahhhh what sudo wget?

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Der_Thomas:

OMG

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Der_Thomas:

good stuff, does it exe it too?

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Dibblah:

Since they're stealing your theme work, you can't threaten to take your site down now ;)

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Dibblah:

Oh, and the answer to "why fork" is obvious.

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justinh:

Dibblah: they can have the images if they want – they could have the GPL version for all I know – that isn't the point. The point is my name is in some of the files they lazily copied, so I'm associated with a bunch of crap

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Dibblah:

yup.

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Dibblah:

They forked because there's not a hope in hell of them getting anywhere near mainline with that... code.

[12:36:52]

Dibblah:

Well, one would hope, anyway.

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justinh:

Dibblah: http://heliocreek.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/ . . . ;view=markup look in line 480

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mzb_d800:

"Friendly fork" ? ... hmm

[12:37:44]

justinh:

Friendly rootkit

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justinh:

MythPwn3d

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Dibblah:

What gets me is that they *thought* about security there.

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Dibblah:

They're quoting special characters.

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justinh:

not so friendly either if they're ignoring my request to have my name removed from some files

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Dibblah:

But... It's just... So... Wrong.

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drgeb:

mythtvfrontend crashes when attempting towatch tv in log i See "VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'Xgl Generic Texture Video" any ideas how to correct

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mzb_d800:

I have a sneaking suspicion it might refer to the general perception of mythtv-devs (et al)

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justinh:

Dibblah: according to one of them, they're using sudo so they can er.. "change network properties & stuff". dunno wtf that has to do with anything in the context of 'sudo wget http://www.youtube.com/etc..."

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justinh:

mzb_d800: the mythtv devs are pretty friendly & receptive to new ideas. sure there are codign standards to adhere to but that's good practise

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Dibblah:

Think what the cwd will be if they're executing straight from init.

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Dibblah:

/

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Dibblah:

Which only root can write to.

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Der_Thomas:

what the hell is heliocreek?

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Dibblah:

You really don't want to know.

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Dibblah:

"Without a paddle".

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justinh:

heliocrap

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mzb_d800:

I'm sure ... just the attitudes I've noticed since I started playing mythtv, and some of the comments I've noticed on various lists at that time

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justinh:

creek of the sun? ;)

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justinh:

mzb_d800: bear in mind that not everybody who posts on the lists (even -dev) is a dev

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** Dibblah <prime example ;) **

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justinh:

very easy to forget that

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mzb_d800:

I agree

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** Dibblah is a prime example. **

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mzb_d800:

but I'm not talking about mythtv-lists

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Der_Thomas:

so what is heliocrap *SUPPOSED* to do?

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justinh:

oh yeah people from other projects & the OSS community call mythtv developers stuff like 'a bunch of bastards' which is totally un-ducking-justified

[12:42:52]

Dibblah:

Yeah. I know who my mother is.

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mzb_d800:

and I will add that I've noticed similar attitudes in some of the non-devs that frequent this # ;P

[12:43:37]

justinh:

Dibblah: supposed to place your meeja-savvy machine at risk of being exploited while playing youtube videos (which have in turn been transcoded)

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Dibblah:

Der_Thomas: , even ;)

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justinh:

mzb_d800: you don't have to have commit access to be an asshole. just be an asshole anyway :)

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mzb_d800:

I had mine replaced ;)

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Dibblah:

Your asshole? ;)

[12:45:12]

mzb_d800:

yep

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mzb_d800:

wasn't doing it's job

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Der_Thomas:

"Friendly fork of mythtv, with a simplified frontend and new internet plug-ins (YouTube and live streaming channels), with Arabic user interface"

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mzb_d800:

so I upgraded

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Der_Thomas:

OMG how dumb is this

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sebrock:

Dibblah, I know I've been talking to you before about this. I compiled a new kernel, and using make oldconfig... still my needed ALSA-module snd_hda_intel is not in it? I checked and ALSA was set to <M> in kernel config. Do you know what I can do?

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mzb_d800:

now I'm in a whole new class of arseholes ;)

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Der_Thomas:

I didn't know the FE was complicated

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justinh:

Der_Thomas: the frontend can be complicated. have you counted all the setup screens lately?

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justinh:

I haven't, but last time I did I had to stop at over 150

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Der_Thomas:

yeah I guess you are right, most ppl prob need about 5

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sebrock:

can someone explain to me why snd_hda_intel has gone missing in new kernel?

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mzb_d800:

enabled alsa, not oss?

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Der_Thomas:

I guess this is the KDE vs Gnome fight taken to DVR

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sebrock:

yes, other modules are there... not just this one

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sebrock:

I dont understand smack

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sebrock:

its there in the old kernel

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sebrock:

and kernel config said "this is a modularized driver" or something like that so I could not change it from <M> to <Y>

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mzb_d800:

egrep "SND=m|SND.*INTEL" /boot/config-$(uname -r)

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mzb_d800:

are you sure it's not: snd_intel8x0

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sebrock:

its snd_hda_intel on old kernel

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sebrock:

CONFIG_SND=m

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sebrock:

# CONFIG_SND_HDA_INTEL is not set

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sebrock:

CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0=m

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sebrock:

CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0M=m

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mzb_d800:

I just wonder if it's had a name change (stranger things have happened)

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sebrock:

? eh

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sebrock:

namechange?

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mzb_d800:

just my ignorance

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sebrock:

so what do you think?

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mzb_d800:

must be another switch that needs to be toggled to enable it

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sebrock:

alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device

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mzb_d800:

│ Depends on: HAS_IOMEM && !M68K && SOUND!=n && PCI && SND │

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mzb_d800:

you just haven't enabled it by the looks of it

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mzb_d800:

make menuconfig

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sebrock:

all under ALSA is set to <M> or *

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mzb_d800:

Device Drivers ---> Sound ---> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ---> PCI devices ---> < > Intel HD Audio

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mzb_d800:

I can see it on mine

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sebrock:

wtf...

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mzb_d800:

what kernel version?

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sebrock:

its not set

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mzb_d800:

ah

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sebrock:

how is this possible? I used make oldconfig

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sebrock:

also once I tried cp .config to sources

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mzb_d800:

which distro?

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sebrock:

downloaded kernel

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sebrock:

"mythbuntu"

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sebrock:

with latest stable kernel

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mzb_d800:

2.6.23–1 (?)

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sebrock:

yep

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sebrock:

so I have to recompile it again?

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mzb_d800:

depends how you've been compiling

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mzb_d800:

the "proper" way is with make-kpkg

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sebrock:

thats how I did it

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mzb_d800:

which afaik requires a clean build everytime

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mzb_d800:

(don't know another way, sorry)

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sebrock:

damn

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sebrock:

Ah well now I know why its not included

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sebrock:

but I dont know why it did not get selected by default

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mzb_d800:

must be something interesting about it :)

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sebrock:

sorry, I know that its not inclueded ...

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sebrock:

:D

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mzb_d800:

grep your old config to make sure

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sebrock:

well looking forward to another hour of compiling then

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mzb_d800:

(for sanity;)

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sebrock:

grep old config? hwo

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sebrock:

how?

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gbee:

anyone know how I might redirect the visuals to the local display (connected via ssh) but keep control over the keys? I'm trying to play a DVD a remote machine to the display it is connected, but control the playback using the local machine

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sebrock:

mzb_d800, how do I do that?

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Daviey:

sebrock: what graphics card are you planning to use with *23?

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mzb_d800:

kept a copy of your old config?

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Daviey:

gbee: why not use telnet interface?

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mzb_d800:

I use make-kpkg quite a lot ... I've found it best to add "append-to-version" (eg. -mb) and "revision" (so that if I correct something I end up with a new set of packages)

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gbee:

Daviey: you mean the network control interface in mythfrontend? a) it's not enabled b) I'm not using mythfrontend for this job since it can't handle playback of this particular DVD

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Daviey:

gbee: vlc has a console interface

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sebrock:

Daviey I got an on-bard Intel 3100

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sebrock:

its the G33 chipset

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Daviey:

sebrock: you lucky sausage

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gbee:

Daviey: ughh, not sure I can be bothered to install vlc then uninstall xine just to get this working, might just plug a keyboard into the remote machine instead

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sebrock:

Daviey, how's that? :D

[13:10:38]

Daviey:

sebrock: ATI won't compile againt *23

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sebrock:

oh ok

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mzb_d800:

gbee: synergy might help, although I've never used it for keyboard

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gbee:

mzb_d800: already given up and just used a keyboard instead

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

synergy can be handy to have lying around

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gbee:

just trying to put on a film for someone which won't play with MFE

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mzb_d800:

they have an alergy?

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mzb_d800:

(or a M$ addiction?)

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Dibblah:

justinh: Just noticed that these i945gmm motherboards have a custom (Research Machines) BIOS that removes the FSB twiddlable.

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portahex:

RM know what a BIOS is? :o

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gbee:

mzb_d800: heh, no, they wanted to watch a DVD on the frontend in the living room but as MFE won't play the disk I've had to install xine and start it remotely for them

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mzb_d800:

handy to have some form of backup :)

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mzb_d800:

I've got a (free) dvd player for that ;)

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Dibblah:

justinh: http://download.aopen.com.tw/userdownload_Lis . . . l=i945GMm-HL

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Dibblah:

Also, the *nasty* thing is they have a mini-pitch floppy connector. :)

[13:25:01]

Dibblah:

So I'm netbooting to flash the firmware.

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gbee:

mzb_d800: there used to be a DVD player there, but I got rid of it once the internal player started to become stable enough, it was taking up space

[13:25:59]

gbee:

just happened to run into one DVD that doesn't work :(

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mzb_d800:

I haven't evolved to your heights yet :)

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justinh:

gah! even aopen are giving out conflicting info!

[13:26:52]

justinh:

Motherboards(Intel Core Duo(Yonah)/Core 2 Duo(Merom):Socket 479) – yet the manual says 'SOCKET M'

[13:27:07]

justinh:

!trout AOpen clueless

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** MythLogBot slaps AOpen with a clueless trout on behalf of justinh... **

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gbee:

justinh: your new motherboard using the wrong socket type then?

[13:27:53]

justinh:

I don't know anymore

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justinh:

manual says socket M, website says 479.. WTF IS IT?!

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Dibblah:

478.

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justinh:

it can't be. I laid hands on a 478 CPU (celery M) & it doesn't fit

[13:29:10]

Dibblah:

Okay. Well, I know a T5500 fits.

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mzb_d800:

now I'm confused ... I think I made an error while changing my music (I moved it to another machine) ... so I deleted the Active Playlist, and all the Playlists ... but now when I scan for New Music, I end up with *some* duplicates (which won't play)

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Dibblah:

So whatever a T5500 is ;)

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justinh:

Dibblah: a T5500 is 'socket M'

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Dibblah:

So it's that, then.

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justinh:

that's what the manual says

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mzb_d800:

apart from deleting the contents of the table, how can I get mythmusic to do a "proper" job?

[13:29:50]

justinh:

man no wonder people are so fucking confused

[13:30:31]

** Dibblah notices he's now running various different -rc kernels on almost all of his boxes for various reasons :( **

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portahex:

justinh, laptop cpus aren't technically for end-users to *gently caress* about with

[13:31:16]

mzb_d800:

(need to lick them first;)

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portahex:

justinh, now, to confuse end-users, there's the FSB issue, where most chipsets do 1066mhz fsb, but most current cpus are 1333mhz fsb

[13:31:27]

gbee:

mzb_d800: what version?

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mzb_d800:

of mythmusic? ... err all built from svn a week or two ago

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gbee:

ok, hmm should wipe tracks it can't find on the disk

[13:32:19]

mzb_d800:

Source code version : 14786M

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gbee:

having you run a second scan?

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mzb_d800:

several times

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mzb_d800:

ah ... oops ... found another mistake

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mzb_d800:

(forgot to add another bind mount)

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mzb_d800:

which meant that some old music files in another directory were being scanned, but probably weren't playable because of permissions problems

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dmz:

howdy y'all, is there any easy way to grab album art for a bunch of mp3's i'm going to put onto my myth server

[13:37:03]

mzb_d800:

seems like something that should be picked up in the scan initially

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gbee:

what permissions?

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mzb_d800:

network-wide

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mzb_d800:

I have been slowly moving all the music into a single directory

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mzb_d800:

whose group ownership is mythtv

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mzb_d800:

I have "global" gids and uids for certain users

[13:40:23]

mzb_d800:

but I was exporting the music one directory "too high"

[13:40:40]

mzb_d800:

so it was getting some of the older (pre-sorted) stuff as well

[13:41:06]

mzb_d800:

so, it seems the music scan finds the files, but then the player doesn't have the permissions to read them

[13:41:11]

mzb_d800:

(or something like that)

[13:41:55]

mzb_d800:

yep ... back to normal

[13:42:20]

mzb_d800:

just need to write a script to reload all the ratings ... or perhaps ... bah ... tomorrow!!

[13:42:26]

mzb_d800:

time for a cool-down beer

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mzb_d800:

now that I've got my second IR receiver working ... I can try moving the tuners to the server ... so big day tomorrow :) (lot's of walking up and down stairs ;)

[13:43:36]

Dibblah:

justinh: Well, that's rather annoying. The FSB setting only allows overclocking, not under :(

[13:43:52]

justinh:

ffs scan.co.uk have a t550 on as a socket 478

[13:44:55]

portahex:

mail them to get it corrected

[13:45:21]

mzb_d800:

how can I get a custom command to run at the beginning of playback when using the internal player?

[13:46:12]

Dibblah:

mzb_d800: There's no external mechanism for that.

[13:46:24]

hashbang:

mzb_d800: not sure you can. What do you need to do before playback begins?

[13:46:24]

mzb_d800:

(I have some scripts to do simple things, and what I wan't to do is change the playback speed to 0.95x on a particular frontend (because it's overclocked))

[13:46:42]

mzb_d800:

now, I can do that manually

[13:46:42]

Dibblah:

Uhm...?

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mzb_d800:

(the script uses telnet)

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** hashbang isn't sure why overclocking would affect playback speed **

[13:47:06]

Dibblah:

Unless you're doing something funky with crystals, it won't change playback speed.

[13:47:17]

mzb_d800:

it hits the end of the recording buffer and b0rks

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Dibblah:

That's not because it's overclocked.

[13:47:39]

mzb_d800:

return it to normal speed and all is ok

[13:47:42]

Dibblah:

mzb_d800: NFS mount?

[13:47:50]

mzb_d800:

local drive

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Dibblah:

Wierd.

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mzb_d800:

err ... actually

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mzb_d800:

before, the tuner was remote, and recorded to an NFS mount

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mzb_d800:

ie. SBE had tuner, MBE had NFS

[13:48:42]

Dibblah:

192.168.0.2:/mnt/tmp /mnt/tmp nfs nfsvers=3,noatime,noac 0 1

[13:48:51]

Dibblah:

That's what the mount line should look like.

[13:49:07]

Dibblah:

Otherwise NFS caches the filesizes.

[13:49:12]

mzb_d800:

now I've moved the tuner to the MBE

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mzb_d800:

noac?

[13:49:34]

Dibblah:

And the frontend goes "huh" when it seems to be reading past the "end" of the file.

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Dibblah:

No attribute caching.

[13:49:42]

mzb_d800:

yep

[13:49:45]

mzb_d800:

ah

[13:49:52]

mzb_d800:

but without overclock, it's just not fast enough to play mpeg2

[13:49:58]

mzb_d800:

(from dvb tuner)

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... I'll try those mount options, thanks Dibblah

[13:50:38]

Dibblah:

Sure – But there's two things about your solution : It's not an overclocking problem,

[13:51:08]

Dibblah:

You can change this globally with playback groups (svn)

[13:51:18]

Dibblah:

Not sure if you can do it per frontend.

[13:51:21]

justinh:

you can change it with recording groups too IIRC

[13:52:05]

justinh:

yeah you can actually since that's what I do with wifey's soaps

[13:52:14]

justinh:

all on 1.25x playback :D

[13:53:04]

mzb_d800:

I'm running svn, but haven't gone as far as playing with recording groups

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mzb_d800:

it must be related to overclocking somehow ... doesn't happen if machine isn't overclocked

[13:53:29]

Dibblah:

justinh: I don't do that.

[13:53:38]

Dibblah:

I value _my_ time ;)

[13:53:45]

mzb_d800:

I run the 650 @804

[13:54:13]

mzb_d800:

and playback at 0.95x was the "quick and dodgy" solution

[13:54:39]

Dibblah:

650 should be able to cope with most mpeg2...

[13:54:40]

mzb_d800:

(I was watching Bathurst 1000 when I first encountered the problem ... 8–12Hrs of car racing;)

[13:54:48]

mzb_d800:

sits on 98%

[13:54:48]

Dibblah:

Oh. Not Intel?

[13:54:53]

mzb_d800:

p3–650

[13:55:03]

Dibblah:

Should be easily capable.

[13:55:16]

mzb_d800:

at 804 it's on about 50% ... go figure

[13:55:19]

Dibblah:

X is the major CPU hog?

[13:55:29]

mzb_d800:

mythfrontend (iirc)

[13:56:09]

mzb_d800:

which means that livetv is not happy

[13:56:30]

mzb_d800:

hmm ... only 75% now

[13:56:35]

justinh:

Dibblah: you'd think that 650Mhz would be enough to cope with mpeg2, but talk to my epia about that

[13:56:55]

mzb_d800:

there's just not enough headroom for other stuff :)

[13:57:08]

mzb_d800:

overclocked though, it's quite usable

[13:57:32]

mzb_d800:

I can hear a beer calling me

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Dibblah:

That's why I asked about Intel ;)

[13:59:20]

Quinn_Storm:

justinh: via at 650 != intel at 650

[13:59:32]

justinh:

via at 1Ghz != Intel at 200Mhz IMHO

[13:59:37]

Quinn_Storm:

true

[13:59:59]

justinh:

without xvmc it's nothing, and even then..

[14:01:06]

Quinn_Storm:

things like this are why I like my wintv-pvr-usb2, at least one mpeg is offloaded that way

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mzb_d800:

*sigh* too many buttons :)

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[14:05:12]

justinh:

eh?

[14:05:21]

justinh:

not DEcoding though

[14:05:27]

clever:

are there any central and public db's online

[14:05:29]

justinh:

that's what matters for playback

[14:05:36]

clever:

listing shows and the episodes/original air dates

[14:05:52]

clever:

and related info

[14:05:56]

justinh:

clever: tv.com ?

[14:06:11]

clever:

i mean one that can be read in a automated way

[14:06:19]

justinh:

roflmao

[14:07:14]

clever:

some of my shows in mythtv are missing the subtitle/describtion/originalairdate and i can fill in it manualy thru mysql

[14:07:17]

justinh:

there are already scripts to scrape tv.com & crap

[14:07:33]

clever:

but if i had a list the pc can parse it could give a episode list to stamp one on a recording

[14:08:00]

clever:

then i can just pick what it is from a list and fix the recording entry in the recorded table

[14:08:14]

** justinh will never understand why geeks have to have the minutest details about everything **

[14:08:26]

clever:

lol

[14:08:42]

clever:

having 20 unnamed episodes in mythtv makes it a bit hard to tell what they are

[14:08:44]

justinh:

file squirrels

[14:09:06]

clever:

?

[14:09:42]

justinh:

amateur archivists

[14:09:44]

** seth|web installed glass-wide last night on main myth box, excellent work. As always. **

[14:09:46]

mzb_d800:

hey, leave my nuts out of this! :)

[14:10:08]

justinh:

seth|web: a compliment if there ever were one, coming from you! :)

[14:10:09]

clever:

lol

[14:10:32]

seth|web:

justinh, my wife absolutely loves the poiple (clever name) background

[14:10:41]

** seth|web prepares to make donation **

[14:10:53]

justinh:

I was gonna have a brown background & call if cwawfee :P

[14:11:25]

seth|web:

hehe

[14:11:39]

justinh:

I could, still, I guess :)

[14:12:03]

seth|web:

well purple is one of her favorite colors, so she appreciated it

[14:12:40]

mzb_d800:

hmm ... strange ... == mine's fav colour

[14:12:55]

hashbang_:

justinh: how do your themes handle the playback output being 720x576 and the UI being 1024x576?

[14:13:23]

seth|web:

she's a stay at home mom now, so the mythbox logs a lot of hours these days, she appreciates that it can be "customized" to her tastes

[14:13:28]

Quinn_Storm:

oh yeah that reminds me, has anyone managed to theme the ugly default OSD? I assume they have, but none of the default themes change it

[14:13:46]

mzb_d800:

change the OSD theme

[14:14:12]

Quinn_Storm:

I couldn't find the option for that, just the theme...theme, but ok

[14:14:15]

Quinn_Storm:

I must just be blind

[14:14:31]

justinh:

hashbang_: the OSD base res is always 640x480

[14:14:40]

hashbang_:

Quinn_Storm: I used gimp to create an osd-bigger.png from osd-big.png, which is taller than the original so long programme descriptions fit tidily.

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Quinn_Storm:

that's cool

[14:15:08]

Quinn_Storm:

I wish someone would fix the scanned-channels bug where they all show just "Adding cha..."

[14:15:20]

justinh:

doesn't make any difference what size the OSD graphics are – they'll always be scaled to 640x480 then scaled to the screen res

[14:15:23]

hashbang_:

justinh: OK – I currently use Titivillus and have to move the UI right and down a bit, and I have to move the OSD left a bit

[14:15:46]

** hashbang_ might give justinh's themes a whirl **

[14:15:50]

justinh:

well, glass-wide without the watermarks only takes up 7MB more ram than Iulius

[14:16:07]

portahex:

using the magicks of png transparency for love & joy?

[14:16:14]

justinh:

of course

[14:16:28]

hashbang_:

Quinn_Storm: is this in the UI? sounds like you need to run it at a higher resolution, so there's more room for the text

[14:16:32]

portahex:

pfft, png. gif is the industry standard!

[14:16:52]

hashbang_:

portahex: in 1997, perhaps! :-)

[14:17:07]

Quinn_Storm:

hashbang_: its in the OSD, during channel change & such

[14:17:07]

portahex:

ie6 still has ~40% market share, and doesn't do png correctly!

[14:17:25]

justinh:

no point using jpg or anything else to save ram – cos they all get unravvled into uncompressed bitmaps in RAM anyway

[14:17:28]

justinh:

GIF? sod off. 256 colours FTW

[14:17:31]

GoalieManPat:

anyone else have the issue of losing control from both the keyboard and remote when using mythvideo?

[14:17:38]

hashbang_:

Quinn_Storm: not sure I've see that – maybe it's an analogue vs. DVB thing.

[14:17:51]

Quinn_Storm:

ah yeah DVB sends channel name data with the channels

[14:17:53]

Quinn_Storm:

analog does not

[14:18:02]

Quinn_Storm:

well unless you have EIT but that's spotty

[14:18:03]

mzb_d800:

hashbang_: there are ways of adjusting (most of) that in the settings

[14:18:05]

Quinn_Storm:

and not present on cable

[14:18:32]

hashbang_:

mzb_d800: yeah, I use the UI offset and size settings, but need to hack the OSD theme gently.

[14:18:47]

mzb_d800:

I did mine manually ... real PITA

[14:19:01]

justinh:

having the base res of the OSD as 640x480 is nasty, but will soon change

[14:19:21]

mzb_d800:

then I changed cards, and had to use a different oversize ... so it's all back to default (and out of whack now)

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hashbang_:

still, it's nice that this is possible – if it was an off-the-shelf device, I'd just have to put up with things not being properly sized and centred on my TV.

[14:19:31]

Quinn_Storm:

some of us are still using s-video out, justinh :-P

[14:19:38]

justinh:

Quinn_Storm: same here

[14:19:46]

justinh:

but I notice on my TV

[14:19:55]

mzb_d800:

me3

[14:20:09]

Quinn_Storm:

I guess I could appreciate 800x600 but much more than that is just beyond my little 15" LCD via s-video

[14:20:13]

mzb_d800:

(to a 35yo PAL TV;)

[14:20:18]

Quinn_Storm:

if I had YPbPr that'd be different

[14:20:43]

justinh:

put it this way when I test my themes on a wide monitor the OSD looks really shitty

[14:20:55]

justinh:

scaled up to 1280x720.. oof

[14:21:08]

Quinn_Storm:

yeah, sounds ugly

[14:21:16]

justinh:

I fail to see how nobody cared enough about it to change it before now

[14:21:26]

mediabuntu:

Wow glass-wide looks great. I haven't even used it yet :)

[14:21:46]

Quinn_Storm:

there's a lot of attention to detail missing in general when it comes to myth, especially attention-to-end-user

[14:22:01]

Quinn_Storm:

the mess that is setting it up is the first, most obvious part of that

[14:22:07]

mzb_d800:

at least somebody seems to care now? (even if they're mac-mini-motivated;P)

[14:22:35]

justinh:

I don't remember saying I cared..

[14:22:41]

Quinn_Storm:

yeah actually I'm being paid to care, but I doubt I'll be able to pull a shippable product together by the end of the year

[14:22:44]

mzb_d800:

heh

[14:23:01]

Quinn_Storm:

they haven't even given me the hardware we're targeting yet

[14:23:18]

mzb_d800:

ah well ... you can have my 2 cents worth of opinion then, instead of a 2 cent donation ;P

[14:23:34]

mzb_d800:

(ie lieu of;)

[14:23:44]

mzb_d800:

s/in

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hashbang_:

I wish there was a VGA card out there that could do proper RGB SCART output and have it all properly sync'ed up.

[14:24:15]

hashbang_:

my nVidia with home-made cable works pretty well, but...

[14:24:19]

justinh:

hashbang_: there is, and matrox make it

[14:24:27]

Quinn_Storm:

just get a display with VGA in instead

[14:24:35]

justinh:

pity it doesn't work with anything other than directFB :P

[14:24:38]

hashbang_:

Quinn_Storm: well, yes, it's coming to that these days.

[14:25:09]

mzb_d800:

*but* if you produced 4:3 themes, I'd be tempted ... even more so if you reciprocated by donating to dvd-baker ... and I'll add neat features to mytharchive dvd's like random + timed autoplay

[14:25:11]

Quinn_Storm:

really, VGA is a good standard, it just doesn't carry audio data, beyond that its fine for A/V interconnect up to 1080i

[14:25:33]

hashbang_:

Quinn_Storm: I don't really like LCD displays yet, so I'm sticking with CRT. And finding a CRT TV with a VGA input...

[14:25:37]

justinh:

mzb_d800: I don't have a 4:3 TV

[14:25:48]

mzb_d800:

shame

[14:25:50]

Quinn_Storm:

hashbang_: then don't use a TV?

[14:26:01]

Quinn_Storm:

hashbang_: its not like you're using the tv's tuner or speakers, right?

[14:26:04]

justinh:

CRT ftw!

[14:26:08]

hashbang_:

Quinn_Storm: ah, but I want a 16:9 CRT...

[14:26:30]

Quinn_Storm:

ah, then you are stuck with what you have

[14:26:31]

justinh:

by the time I buy a new TV (I hope) OLED displays are commonplace

[14:26:45]

** hashbang_ nods **

[14:26:57]

Quinn_Storm:

it'll be a while before I buy a TV for quality...the little 15" I have I bought for cheapness and the fact that I could carry it home

[14:27:12]

hashbang_:

I upgraded to a second-hand Panasonic job earlier this year. Should do me for a while.

[14:27:30]

hashbang_:

200 quid instead of 500–600 new 18 months previously.

[14:27:31]

mzb_d800:

I'd need a new back to move my TV's

[14:27:32]

Quinn_Storm:

the only complaint I have about my TV is its a little too small for accurate wiimote pointing

[14:27:57]

hashbang_:

mzb_d800: sack trucks and trolleys, my friend. :-)

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mzb_d800:

I used to use a beanbag

[14:28:13]

** justinh gets over 110MB out of the new sata port multiplier card again :) **

[14:28:26]

mzb_d800:

but I'm not as young and fit as I used to be ... and they are BIG

[14:28:47]

justinh:

well worth paying for delivery then

[14:28:49]

mzb_d800:

(actually ... I had one bigger ... but that went the way of the dinosaurs)

[14:29:01]

justinh:

that way, if somebody drops anything, it's not YOU :)

[14:29:40]

Quinn_Storm:

a kernel compile on a 600MHz via is an exercise in applied masochism

[14:29:48]

justinh:

last year while out xmas shopping I saw a guy & his son drop a plasma trying to put it (horizontally) in the back of a car

[14:29:53]

seth|web:

is it possible these days to run a mythfrontend on an xbox 360?

[14:30:01]

justinh:

they'd taken it out of the box too :D

[14:30:04]

Quinn_Storm:

I'd never buy plasma, that decay thing just isn't worth it

[14:30:09]

justinh:

oh, how I laughed

[14:30:29]

Quinn_Storm:

if I really want a big display and was serious about quality I'd just go DLP or something, otherwise I'd just get a big LCD

[14:31:15]

mzb_d800:

I haven't seen a better image on a large lcd than I can get on a large (old) crt

[14:31:22]

justinh:

god, that bloke put that ducking Peter Gabriel album on with all the weird noises on it & fecked off out of the room!

[14:31:32]

Quinn_Storm:

yeah I just don't want to ever buy another CRT

[14:31:49]

Tronic:

3xDMD is by far the best display technology available.

[14:31:55]

Quinn_Storm:

3xDMD?

[14:31:58]

Quinn_Storm:

dunno that one

[14:31:59]

Tronic:

As long as the room can be darkened.

[14:32:03]

justinh:

I likes my blacks black, and the contrast to be superlative

[14:32:09]

Tronic:

Quinn_Storm: 3-chip DLP.

[14:32:13]

Quinn_Storm:

ah

[14:32:16]

justinh:

so that rules out plasma, DLP & the rest

[14:32:25]

Quinn_Storm:

yeah, no rainbowing with 3xDMD

[14:32:30]

Quinn_Storm:

or at least far less

[14:32:45]

** justinh paints the whole world with a rainbow! **

[14:32:45]

Tronic:

justinh: DLP has best contrast and darkest black.

[14:32:57]

hashbang_:

justinh: over the streets and houses?

[14:33:02]

justinh:

Tronic: but rainbows :( and still not as good as CRT

[14:33:04]

Quinn_Storm:

the lamp is the only issue with any DLP

[14:33:05]

justinh:

hashbang_: yep

[14:33:08]

sebrock:

rainbow in DLP just isn't worth it. I go for a LCD and a high end screen instead

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mzb_d800:

and I bet none of them are good for clear (moving) images

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Tronic:

But 1xDMD suffers of rainbows, 3xDMD is free of that too and also has more light power.

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[14:33:28]

justinh:

at least CRT has persistence to help :)

[14:33:35]

Tronic:

justinh: So, that's why you need 3xDMD, not 1xDMD.

[14:33:49]

mzb_d800:

eg: g/f (and her family) watch a lot of netball ... I just watch the skirts ;)

[14:33:52]

Quinn_Storm:

the difference is 1xDMD uses a color wheel, and 3xDMD has separate mirror arrays for each color

[14:33:52]

justinh:

and a domestic screen you have to dim the lights for / shut curtains for just ain't practical

[14:33:53]

sebrock:

had a 3chip DLP but sold it and bought LCD + very expensive screen .D

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Tronic:

sebrock: Why?

[14:34:18]

mzb_d800:

but the skirts are blurry on an LCD :( ... so LCD ruins my netball watching ;)

[14:34:26]

justinh:

for a home _cinema_ room definitely, not for a 7/52 TV

[14:34:44]

sebrock:

Maybe Im special, but rainbow effect made the experience dull

[14:34:58]

Tronic:

sebrock: There is no rainbow effect on 3-chip DMD.

[14:35:00]

Quinn_Storm:

sebrock: you probably see the lines in a trinitron too

[14:35:13]

Tronic:

So, you have 1-chip DLP.

[14:35:16]

Tronic:

*had

[14:35:25]

justinh:

the cost of lamps for projectors/DLP doesn't worry me as much as availability

[14:35:42]

Tronic:

3-chip DLPs are very expensive (starting around 10 k€).

[14:35:45]

mediabuntu:

build your own

[14:35:46]

justinh:

like – in 5 years, will you still be able to buy them?

[14:35:57]

sebrock:

Tronic, w8 will check

[14:35:59]

Quinn_Storm:

LCD's are nice for the plug in and use use-case, they're like cheap CRTs were

[14:36:09]

Tronic:

justinh: Buy ten now, you are set for the next 20 years ;)

[14:36:13]

hashbang:

justinh: depends on how popular your model was, and how much money you have. :-)

[14:36:26]

justinh:

buy ten now – yeah I only have to sell my house to pay for that many

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justinh:

what are they generally like £350 each or something mad like that?

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Tronic:

Yeah, that's quite insane.

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justinh:

maybe not my _house_ but possibly a kidney

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sebrock:

Tronic, sorry confused it with wheel speed :P

[14:37:08]

Tronic:

Making a lamp shouldn't be that difficult.

[14:37:30]

sebrock:

still, for the same price I got way better picture with LCD+high end screen

[14:37:32]

mzb_d800:

yeah, Edison did it ... how difficult could it be? ;)

[14:37:47]

Tronic:

After all, one could get much cheaper lamps for DIA projectors back in the day, and I don't see how a lamp in a data/video projector needs to be any different from that.

[14:37:55]

justinh:

I suspecta large number of lamps actually just house one of a smaller number of bulbs in different cases

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justinh:

Tronic: heat protection for one thing

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Tronic:

Both display color images and need fairly good color representation for that.

[14:38:23]

Quinn_Storm:

I would think an LED lamp would be best for 3-chip DLP, or specifically 3 lamps, that way no color filtering is needed

[14:38:37]

Tronic:

justinh: Does film tolerate much heat? I suppose that DMD can operate at higher temperatures than film can.

[14:38:50]

mzb_d800:

I can see that my hand puppets + candle are getting a little dated

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Tronic:

Quinn_Storm: Yes, if there just were efficient enough leds.

[14:39:25]

Quinn_Storm:

LED's are at least as efficient as compact-flourescent in general, they are just expensive still

[14:39:27]

justinh:

mzb_d800: tonight on MZBX – Heroes, in CandleFingerVision(tm)

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Quinn_Storm:

not that it'd be c-f in these things

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mzb_d800:

:)

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Tronic:

Err, powerful enough, I meant.

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justinh:

I can think of better things to do with my fingers than _save_ the cheerleader

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Tronic:

THe strongest ones are 3 W and that is far from enough for a projector.

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mzb_d800:

heh ... between pushing buttons on the remote?

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Tronic:

+ even those cost a lot (and their efficiency is actually quite bad, too).

[14:40:47]

Quinn_Storm:

well of course, you use a lot of them in a reflector array

[14:41:13]

Quinn_Storm:

and you don't use the 3W ones, you use the efficiency peak, and probably below rated power max

[14:41:30]

Tronic:

Even more expensive, I guess.

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justinh:

OLED will be nice

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Quinn_Storm:

it would probably be similar per-bulb to the normal bulbs, but *should* last a lot longer if engineered right

[14:42:09]

Quinn_Storm:

OLED is much more likely to be used in direct-view than projection

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Tronic:

justinh: That's what they have been telling us for the last ten years or so.

[14:42:26]

justinh:

yeah. who the hell has room for projection?

[14:42:46]

Quinn_Storm:

so far, if you want a 2" screen, OLED is great, otherwise, don't hold your breath

[14:42:55]

justinh:

remember UK people tend to live in house sized houses, not mansion-sized houses

[14:43:06]

Tronic:

SED is also going to be great. But of course it will never come.

[14:43:18]

Quinn_Storm:

yeah, if I ever bought a house where I live in the US I'd be living in a closet-sized house...or I'd have gotten a hell of a raise

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justinh:

with SED comes AWK though :(

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Quinn_Storm:

SED? hadn't heard of that one

[14:43:29]

Tronic:

AWK?

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Quinn_Storm:

Tronic: its a unix joke

[14:43:42]

Tronic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conducti . . . tter_display

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mzb_d800:

s/funny//

[14:44:05]

Tronic:

Quinn_Storm: Argh. I actually thought of that, but didn't think that you could mean it because you were typing in caps :P

[14:44:39]

Quinn_Storm:

heh, back around to electron beams again

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mzb_d800:

I think I'll wait for my collection of 69cm TV's to die (or until I win lotto) before I get the 9'x6' "Wall'o'TV" that I deserve

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justinh:

pleh, you Earthlings and your fascination with secondary viewing of entertainment with your _eyes_ pfft!

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Tronic:

They always promise mass production of SED in one or two years, but then they keep pushing the date forward.

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mzb_d800:

hopefully by then ... the majority of these expensive and marginally viewable technologies will have come up to the standard of come to expect :)

[14:46:46]

mzb_d800:

s/of come/of viewing I've come/

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justinh:

or the US might've nuked Iran by then & we'll all be standing around smouldering heaps of what used to be cities

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mzb_d800:

reality TV without the TV part?

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mzb_d800:

they wouldn't want to blow up the oil

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justinh:

believe that when I see it

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mzb_d800:

reality?

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mzb_d800:

apart from being "bad press" why do you think other (oil-bearing) nations haven't been nuked?

[14:49:38]

mzb_d800:

err ..

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mzb_d800:

forget that

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mzb_d800:

too OT ... I'll get an attitude change overnight ;)

[14:51:07]

justinh:

let's see if heliocrap have updated their files yet

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mediabuntu:

hey is http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/about.shtml where i can find every mythtv theme or just the special ones

[14:52:08]

justinh:

just 3rd party ones

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justinh:

I link to all the ones worth knowing about IMHO

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mediabuntu:

i see

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mediabuntu:

thanks for your greeat work

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justinh:

nothing says 'thanks' like a Mac Mini :)

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justinh:

well, it was worth a shot :P

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sebrock:

this is strange now suspend works only once...

[14:53:43]

justinh:

grr heliocrap have updated some files but not seen fit to take my name out

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gbee:

think I'll release a preview version of the theme tonight, just need to commit some of the code changes needed

[14:55:21]

mzb_d800:

seems like you have a goal ... I'm sure you'll make it one way or another :)

[14:55:25]

mzb_d800:

on that note ... I'll leave you kids to think about your (oil-based) technologies and bid you all good night

[14:55:29]

mzb_d800:

have fun

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mediabuntu:

gbee what time

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justinh:

mediabuntu: it'll likely only work with SVN :)

[14:56:06]

mediabuntu:

danm

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justinh:

so all the 0.20.x users miss out, quite deservedly I think

[14:56:18]

justinh:

;)

[14:56:32]

mzb_d800:

(and 4:3 users)

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mzb_d800:

*snore*

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mzb_d800:

;)

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justinh:

you wanna 4:3 theme? gimme mac mini!

[14:56:53]

gbee:

and anyone who looks at me funny ;)

[14:57:04]

Quinn_Storm:

what I want to know is...why did the pc industry decide on 16:10 and the tv industry on 16:9?

[14:57:30]

justinh:

Quinn_Storm: square vs non-square pixels? I dunno

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gbee:

I'll take an Asus Eee (or just about any other worthy piece of kit) in exchange for creating a 4:3 version

[14:57:45]

Quinn_Storm:

nah, pixels are square on both on displays designed for them

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gbee:

:)

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justinh:

gbee: cheapskate :P

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mediabuntu:

both are

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mediabuntu:

remember my theme juski. the MP port version

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justinh:

?

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mediabuntu:

the one built on minimalist-wide

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justinh:

I dunno what makes anybody think that mediaportal is some kind of benchmark for great UI design

[15:02:10]

mediabuntu:

i used to use it that's all. Didn't like it thou very unstable.

[15:02:16]

Dibblah:

It's not _bad_.

[15:02:25]

Dibblah:

Not Mythmusic bad, anyway.

[15:02:51]

justinh:

finding a paradigm that works well with just a remote isn't easy

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Dibblah:

justinh: BTW, removed my shim.

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justinh:

and?

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Dibblah:

With the help of a router :)

[15:03:22]

justinh:

heh

[15:03:28]

Dibblah:

TCT bits are wonderful things :)

[15:03:29]

Andycasss:

Does mythtv support iptv?

[15:03:35]

gbee:

among the various OS media centre solutions, you have to give MP a little credit for their themes – it might not be what mythtv aspires to, but that doesn't mean it can't help to inspire even better themes for mythtv

[15:03:38]

Dibblah:

Andycasss: Ish.

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justinh:

I might just plump for a zalman

[15:03:53]

Dibblah:

Depends on your specific provider.

[15:03:59]

gbee:

Andycasss: yes, but SVN does it better than 0.20.2

[15:04:12]

Quinn_Storm:

what exactly is MP?

[15:04:14]

justinh:

gbee: yeah, we did copy their flipbook animation

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justinh:

Quinn_Storm: MediaPortal

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Quinn_Storm:

ah

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Andycasss:

gbee, are there any instructions of how to set up?

[15:04:34]

justinh:

the nearest thing to mythtv windows will likely ever see

[15:04:46]

Quinn_Storm:

ah ok, nevermind then, didn't realize it was for win

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gbee:

Quinn_Storm: Media Portel (just too lazy to type it out, unlike this bit in parentheses which is starting to get a bit long)

[15:05:10]

gbee:

Andycasss: pfft, no idea

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Quinn_Storm:

still hoping someone's done my work for me on linux is all, and made mythtv into a nice shiny wrapper

[15:05:24]

justinh:

Andycasss: JFLITW !

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justinh:

the last letters mean 'look in the wiki'

[15:05:54]

Andycasss:

Sorry?

[15:05:59]

justinh:

look in the wiki!

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justinh:

look in the wiki!

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gbee:

justinh ... king of the pointless acronyms

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Andycasss:

I think you told me that once, there are no instructions

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justinh:

if there's nothing in the wiki, you're screwed

[15:06:31]

justinh:

if there's nothing in the official docs, you're screwed

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Andycasss:

...

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Quinn_Storm:

JFLITW is just a special case of JFGI

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Dibblah:

However, it's a Wiki – So when you find out, you know what to do :)

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gbee:

Andycasss: it shouldn't be more difficult than adding an IPTV capture device, entering the details and then configuring it like any other capture card

[15:08:09]

Andycasss:

So practically, this channel is worthless? We should all just jflitw or whatever

[15:08:22]

justinh:

Andycasss: if nobody here knows, what more can be said?

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justinh:

be like Rambo3 who keeps ocming in here asking if anybody's done a 'MythChess' plugin yet, in the hope that somebody has?

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Andycasss:

Thats a different subject, dont you think?

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Quinn_Storm:

Myth....Chess....? someone's a little obsessed

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gbee:

IPTV just isn't widely used yet, clearly some people are which is why it got implemented but they aren't here

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justinh:

Andycasss: point is, if nobody knows the answer and they suggest you look in the docs, does that make us all useless? I think not

[15:10:16]

justinh:

er.. I mean nobody *here*

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Andycasss:

No, i think that you dont know, others might know...

[15:10:33]

justinh:

right, so they're just keeping quiet to annoy you

[15:10:47]

Andycasss:

No theyre probably away now

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gbee:

Andycasss: how far have you got setting it up? What version are you using? who is your provider?

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Andycasss:

no where... Im using 0.20.2, Elion

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Andycasss:

Ive got the channel IP's.. I can watch em over VLC

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justinh:

well, even the docs in SVN trunk don't say anything about setting up IPTV

[15:16:11]

justinh:

I should imagine it's simply a case of entering the correct details into the setup pages

[15:16:20]

justinh:

IP address,port, yada yada

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justinh:

then if it works with your provider, it'd just work. if it doesn't.. er.. you'd be stuck

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gbee:

Andycasss: I can't speak for 0.20.2, but in trunk you simply chose "Network Recorder" or something similar from the list of capture card types in mythtv-setup

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justinh:

pretty similar in 0.20.2 from what I've seen of it. not rocket sci

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Quinn_Storm:

lol — read closely the first paragraph here — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathode_ray_tube

[15:20:11]

Quinn_Storm:

and no, I did not do that

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gbee:

heh

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justinh:

jesus. I must have unwittingly travelled forwards in time to buy the 32" widescreen telly I've got in my livingroom at home

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gbee:

"You can help Wikipedia change the world!" << Shouldn't that read, "change the history of the world"

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justinh:

the kings of understatement: "This article needs additional citations for verification."

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mediabuntu:

lol

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mediabuntu:

i get it :-D

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mediabuntu:

justinh

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mediabuntu:

stll here

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mediabuntu:

any one seen this looks fun http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zxa4GQsirxQ

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gbee:

using xine or mplayer instead of the internal player

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masonsjax:

that's awesome

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masonsjax:

i even have an X10 lamp right behind my TV

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j2_:

Please tell me i am being stupid, and have not found where to RTFM, but i wonder if i can move recordings from one Secondary backend to another secondary backend?

[16:08:20]

seth|web:

why would you need to do that?

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seth|web:

failing hardware?

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seth|web:

i imagine you could copy with nfs or scp, and then run mythrebuild.pl on the receiveing backend

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justinh:

gbee: you could still use the internal player though.. just substitute the command with 'mythtv $whatever' in the light control script

[16:12:08]

justinh:

as far as it being 'awesome' is concerned, too many people are too easily impressed :P

[16:12:39]

gbee:

justinh: yeah, or just add some pre-playback/post-playback command fields

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j2_:

seth|web: YEah, replacing my Pundit-R based frontend with a Antec Fusion. I needed HDMI, and i want to get rid of the fan noise.

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justinh:

all I wanted was the right CPU for my motherboard. that's been way too much to ask for obviously

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gbee:

:(

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justinh:

when is a socket 479 something not a socket 479 something? when the ebay seller lists it incorrectly

[16:14:54]

justinh:

not to worry. now I don't trust anything I see on there I stand a much better chance

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masonsjax:

hah, maybe not "awesome", but it's an idea i hadnt previously considered.

[16:16:09]

justinh:

I mean the fact that life on Earth is made possible by a huge flaming ball of gaseous material in space – that's what I call awesome :)

[16:16:41]

masonsjax:

could possibly lead to myth controlling some lighting effects like some of those tvs i saw in the store.

[16:16:42]

justinh:

masonsjax: why stop there? why not have it use an IR blaster to set your surround amp to the right volume & settings too?

[16:17:05]

justinh:

masonsjax: like those 'ambilight' monsters? I doubt it. what a stupid idea

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masonsjax:

tell me what you really think

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justinh:

make the onscreen colours less crappy by projecting coloured light onto the wall behind it..

[16:18:01]

justinh:

er, seem less crappy

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masonsjax:

i thought the idea was to reduce eye strain

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justinh:

proper lighting can reduce eye strain ,end of

[16:19:12]

justinh:

i.e. not sitting in a pitch black room with only the TV on

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mediabuntu:

amen

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justinh:

like at the cinema you're not actually sitting in the pitch black are you? ;)

[16:20:09]

justinh:

anyway, I very much doubt there'd be a way to control those TV backlight doodahs

[16:20:23]

justinh:

at least not without some hardware mods :P

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masonsjax:

right, but i understand that the ideal lighting is to have a small amount of light surrounding the screen, ie: a small lamp behind the screen.

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gbee:

justinh: have you complained to the seller? Managed to get my money back pretty easily once I started an official dispute

[16:21:05]

justinh:

gbee: yes I have. still waiting to hear back

[16:21:23]

justinh:

if push comes to shove I'll just sell it on – no great loss but that's not the point

[16:21:47]

mediabuntu:

justin for you http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KFOMxYGOMMI masonsjax for you http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wOzyhNuTU4k

[16:22:12]

justinh:

The url contained a malformed video id.

[16:22:29]

justinh:

ahh ok

[16:22:36]

mediabuntu:

:-O

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justinh:

wth am I looking at?

[16:23:31]

mediabuntu:

mythtv logo thing

[16:23:37]

gbee:

alphapulse

[16:23:38]

mediabuntu:

what you think

[16:23:54]

justinh:

you seriously don't want to know

[16:24:13]

mediabuntu:

good or bad

[16:24:20]

justinh:

very bad

[16:25:05]

mediabuntu:

i thout you would like it :-D

[16:25:44]

justinh:

on what level? ;)

[16:25:59]

masonsjax:

i dont have an iphone

[16:26:27]

justinh:

I mean is it intended to be something in a theme? or is it some kind of intro video for mytharchive? either way.. wasn't what I'd call a pleasure to look at

[16:26:29]

BULLE:

i dont have an iphone, i dont want an iphone either

[16:26:37]

BULLE:

under featured, expensive thingy!

[16:26:42]

mediabuntu:

Any phone will do :-)

[16:26:50]

justinh:

BULLE: but it's cool!!!!!!!!!! (allegedly)

[16:26:51]

gbee:

if you want honest advice, ask Justin, if you want flattery, err, don't

[16:27:07]

BULLE:

justinh: ye, guess thats the point im missing

[16:27:12]

justinh:

you ask me what I think, I tell you what I think

[16:27:13]

BULLE:

justinh: i want an n82 instead

[16:27:19]

BULLE:

justinh: what are you thinking ?

[16:27:25]

masonsjax:

maddox article was great

[16:27:35]

jheizer:

that first video was interesting

[16:27:41]

justinh:

I'm hoping mediabuntu doesn't give up his day job

[16:27:45]

justinh:

;)

[16:27:47]

BULLE:

=)

[16:27:54]

gbee:

justinh: good thing too, hard to get honest opinions from most people

[16:28:16]

jheizer:

didn't catch exactly what it was for though

[16:28:22]

justinh:

gbee: I like what you're doing, especially how different your approach is. there's not enough freshness

[16:28:38]

seth|web:

if I was to get a console game system for the holiday, what would be recommended for a dual purpose myth/gaming console

[16:28:42]

gbee:

I have to think twice before posting screenshots of my theme though ;)

[16:28:50]

jheizer:

lol

[16:28:55]

justinh:

not saying the style is my cuppa tea, but hell, if everybody thought the same... :D

[16:29:06]

jheizer:

still enjoying glass with my space earth background

[16:29:18]

jheizer:

only down is the woman doesn't like the watermarks

[16:29:49]

gbee:

justinh: not even sure of the style myself, but I reached a point where I had to settle on something

[16:30:00]

justinh:

but then you're not doing your theme for me, so you shouldn't worry about that anyway. I appreciate & respect it

[16:30:33]

justinh:

like Mepo-wide – I mean I'd never see myself using it, but admire the effort that went into it

[16:30:53]

justinh:

exactly the same with G.A.N.T. & its icons

[16:31:03]

gbee:

what I do like about my theme and the reason I'm still working on it, is the chance to do a few things differently and hopefully encourage future themes to experiment the same way I have

[16:31:14]

justinh:

you'll never finish it! muhahahahaha

[16:31:18]

justinh:

;)

[16:31:43]

jheizer:

hahaha

[16:31:44]

justinh:

as I've already said there'll come a point where you can't bear to tweak it anymore & move onto something else. well, that's only my experience anyhow

[16:32:02]

mediabuntu:

my theme and my phone http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1dc1.jpg&n bsp;:) :)

[16:32:08]

jheizer:

jsut like me, I finish everything 75% then get bored

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gbee:

justinh: you are probably right, I mean I've just started re-working parts of the watch recordings page, which is the first screen I started on, gone full circle

[16:32:18]

olsta:

hi

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justinh:

maybe in future we'll have more of a choice than "hmmm, should I put this container above or below the list?"

[16:32:43]

olsta:

i tested today miro

[16:33:03]

olsta:

is there an module to podcast channels in mythtv?

[16:33:16]

gbee:

justinh: possibly, though I can't see how yet – unless you can chose to replace the list with something else entirely

[16:33:19]

justinh:

olsta: er.. kind of

[16:33:37]

justinh:

olsta: see www.myth2ipod.com

[16:33:52]

justinh:

unofficial, hackish, kinda works

[16:34:07]

mediabuntu:

i would like to see other peoples skin efforts.

[16:34:15]

justinh:

they're not skins

[16:34:26]

olsta:

justinh: thx

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justinh:

mediabuntu: look in the wiki

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mediabuntu:

i dont mean work form 20 years ago

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justinh:

mediabuntu: well, that's it then

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justinh:

there are only things from me, mepo, and jams' work which are worth a light IMHO

[16:36:00]

gbee:

right, code now allows you to stick images/text etc in the video container and have them hidden when the preview video/pixmap is disabled :)

[16:36:09]

justinh:

and gbee's isn't out yet ;)

[16:36:25]

** jams needs to fix some stuff for svn **

[16:36:31]

gbee:

never saw a screenshot of what dagmar was working on

[16:36:44]

** jams also needs to commit/release some other changes **

[16:36:55]

justinh:

dagmar was working on a star trekyy thing

[16:37:00]

** jams has been sidetracked by other stuff **

[16:37:03]

mediabuntu:

any previes jams.

[16:37:06]

justinh:

again not my cuppa but the style was good

[16:37:09]

mediabuntu:

previews*

[16:37:11]

gbee:

there were some promising looking screenshots from that bloke who was at LRL

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justinh:

mediabuntu: linked to from my site

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mediabuntu:

great.

[16:37:34]

gbee:

well, not screenshots but mockups

[16:38:07]

justinh:

I was gonna collaborate but the horizontal menu theme put me off

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justinh:

since they've never worked properly

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mediabuntu:

show mee all. what ever

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gbee:

justinh: might be something I can fix

[16:40:12]

gbee:

just not today

[16:40:17]

justinh:

mediabuntu: http://jmeyer.us/e107_plugins/autogallery/autogallery.php

[16:41:05]

mediabuntu:

Guys fancy testing my theme.

[16:41:27]

justinh:

nope. already started work on a secret project

[16:41:38]

jams:

heh

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mediabuntu:

i wanna Orion some bugs out. :-)

[16:42:01]

justinh:

mediabuntu: if you can't catch the majority of stuff yourself, give up

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justinh:

tweaking/testing themes is what really takes up time

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justinh:

anyway.. time to walky doggy

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mediabuntu:

yeh... just think this theme is going to blow the rest away

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[17:02:00]

j2_:

Hm, mythrebuild doesnt do what i want. I wanted to move recording from Backend A -> Backend B and retain all info about the show.

[17:03:10]

gbee:

j2_: might have to get intimate with the database, or upgrade to trunk

[17:03:25]

seth|web:

well after you move from BE 1 to BE 2 you would run mythrebuild on BE 2

[17:04:29]

j2_:

seth|web: Yeah, but would not that kind of wipe all info and just give me a "generic" entry for the recording?

[17:04:55]

gbee:

it would

[17:05:19]

seth|web:

i don't think its supposed to, but I am not sure

[17:06:29]

gbee:

j2_: you could probably just manipulate the database entries directly

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seth|web:

well you have one mysql db running, I guess something like phpmyadin would allow you to update where it is stored, and keep the data

[17:09:18]

j2_:

So, _technically_ just moving the file, and changing the 'hostname' in 'recorded' should be enough?

[17:10:09]

gbee:

j2_: I'd guess so, but I'm not certain

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seth|web:

i would guess, i would dump the mysql db for s&g's first thought, so you have a backup if something gets hosed

[17:10:27]

j2_:

Yah, backups are good :)

[17:10:30]

gbee:

you could try it with one recording

[17:10:38]

j2_:

gbee: that was my plan :)

[17:14:49]

j2_:

Next question, should i really be messing with this when i am down with a Cali-virus? *heh*

[17:17:11]

justinh:

I thought if any theme designer would have delusions of grandeur it'd be me, but hey ho ;)

[17:18:15]

justinh:

hmmm ebay seller doesn't want to take it back "best of my knowledge it was listed correctly, yada yada". up to the next level then

[17:19:38]

j2_:

when does MythTV read the recorded-table?

[17:22:13]

justinh:

when it's looking to see what has already been recorded

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j2_:

So, if i did my "Move file. update recorded" what need i restart to make sure it "takes"? The FE on my "new" Secondary BE?

[17:24:27]

justinh:

moving recordings should be a simple matter of moving the file to the correct place & updating the hostname in the recorded table, assuming the base storage location is the same

[17:24:59]

j2_:

base storage location differs quite a lot.

[17:25:26]

justinh:

IIRC the dir name the file was recorded in is also held in a column in 'recorded'

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j2_:

i see "recgroup" but nothing that refers to the actual name.

[17:27:32]

j2_:

actually, it seem to be working. LSOF shows the file open on the "new" box, and not on the "old" one.

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justinh:

well, I _did_ say 'IIRC' ;)

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j2_:

justinh: No worries, i am just a bit paranois about some of my recs... and i never got transcoding/export->xvid working on my old set up.. time to try again :=)

[17:30:35]

j2_:

But, i see what would have happened if i HAD been uning multiple rec-groups and stuff...

[17:30:43]

j2_:

using'

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justinh:

gbee: care to take a look at something for me? would just like to know if I'm being unreasonable or not

[17:31:20]

gbee:

justinh: sure

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Dr_willis:

i need to learn to transcode/cutcommercials -> xvid someday also. :)

[17:33:38]

justinh:

editing is kind of fun :)

[17:33:55]

justinh:

never figured it out til I read the wiki about it though

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j2_:

Hm, spending money on a SSD-disk for my frontend actually WAS worth the money.

[17:40:45]

Tronic:

How much did it cost?

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j2_:

about €100 for 4GB

[17:40:58]

Tronic:

I am still using a 16 GB USB stick as SSD.

[17:41:27]

Tronic:

It's not perfect, but there was nothing else available at the time (and there still isn't at reasonable prices).

[17:41:46]

j2_:

*LOL* Oh thats a surprise: It doesnt support the acoustic register in hdparm :)

[17:42:20]

j2_:

It can be "spun down" tho... :)

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gbee:

hmm, wonder how a SSD compares to something like Compact Flash

[17:50:04]

gbee:

CF is obviously cheaper

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justinh:

oh noes! I hope I haven't inadvertently started a flame war about which background is best ;)

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gbee:

justinh: very clever ;)

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** gbee goes to work on a viral marketing campaign **

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jarle:

what is the command to run to check that the database is in OK shape?

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justinh:

mysqlcheck

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ali1234:

does mythfilldatabase actually serve any useful purpose if i am using EIT listings only?

[18:10:10]

ali1234:

also, why does information centre insist that i have listings data until 2016?

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justinh:

corrupt EIT packets

[18:10:54]

justinh:

delete from program where starttime > $currentdate+2weeks

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justinh:

ali1234: mythfilldatabase generally does some housekeeping chores on the database IIRC

[18:11:59]

justinh:

ali1234: about the 2016 EPG data – prolly only one or 2 shows will have an incorrect start time, hence the error

[18:12:25]

ali1234:

yeah i figured as much. i thought the stream had CRCs to prevent that kind of thing though...

[18:12:30]

justinh:

it does

[18:13:24]

ali1234:

i need to get a better tuner... this one makes that horrible popping sound whenever anyone on my street turns a switch on or off

[18:14:16]

justinh:

get better coaxial cable

[18:14:27]

justinh:

get a better case

[18:14:32]

justinh:

get a better PSU

[18:14:36]

ali1234:

nonsense

[18:14:40]

justinh:

buy a mains filter

[18:14:42]

justinh:

seriously

[18:14:43]

ali1234:

firstly, it's an external usb device

[18:14:51]

justinh:

ah

[18:14:54]

justinh:

junk it then :)

[18:15:17]

justinh:

take off your tinfoil hat & wrap the tuner in it :P

[18:15:25]

ali1234:

secondly, it's right next, and on the same mains + aerial connections, as regular STB which never has any problems

[18:15:42]

justinh:

ali1234: PC tuners are never as good as standalone tuners

[18:15:59]

ali1234:

how do you figure that?

[18:16:10]

justinh:

basic experience

[18:16:21]

ali1234:

my STB practically is a PC... it runs linux

[18:16:27]

justinh:

that means nowt

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ali1234:

heh

[18:16:42]

justinh:

the quality of the tuner hardware is what matters

[18:16:49]

justinh:

impulse noise is the enemy of DVB

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ali1234:

besides anything else, it's not like thomson and phillips make one type of tuner for STBs and another for PC cards...

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justinh:

well after the tuner design itself (i.e. what's in the can) circuit design plays a big part

[18:19:31]

justinh:

if all the usb tuner has for a case is a plastic box (and some I've seen do), then it won't matter how well screened the cable is

[18:19:52]

ali1234:

yeah it does

[18:19:58]

ali1234:

wrap it in tinfoil then?

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stian:

Hi

[18:20:26]

stian:

I need some quick help here

[18:20:36]

stian:

ERROR 1130 (00000): Host 'mythtv.lan' is not allowed to connect

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stian:

to this MySQL serve

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ali1234:

stian: you have a problem with mysql permissions then...

[18:21:22]

stian:

I've been trying to find info on the net but without luck

[18:21:26]

stian:

ali1234: yes definetly so

[18:21:38]

stian:

but I need to grant my mythfrontend permission somehow

[18:21:42]

stian:

i can't seem to connect

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stian:

mythfrontend running gutsy, mythbackend running debian testing

[18:21:53]

justinh:

grrr ebay seller is still trying to argue the toss

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justinh:

haven't got time for this.. gonna escalate it

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ali1234:

stian: the permissions are stored in a special database in the mysql

[18:22:21]

stian:

ali1234: problem is I know very little about mysql. :P

[18:22:38]

ali1234:

i recommend phpmyadmin then

[18:22:41]

jams:

stian- thats why the mythtv docs have a section on mysql.

[18:23:02]

stian:

heh yes I installed phpmyadmin before, but purged everything having to do with mysql because I believed there was some password problems

[18:23:14]

stian:

purging and removing mysql and myth and reinstalling helped

[18:24:00]

stian:

jams: I've followed the howto's ;) trust me..

[18:25:16]

stian:

I really want to get myth up and going again

[18:25:22]

stian:

I had backend and frontend on the same machine before

[18:25:32]

stian:

but thought that installing backend on my filserver would help me out a bit

[18:25:35]

stian:

make things a bit easier

[18:25:40]

ali1234:

in the grant tables, there is a column for host as well as user and password

[18:25:49]

ali1234:

so probably user mythtv only has access from localhost

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stian:

um mythtv is suppost to connect with user root

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stian:

:P

[18:26:08]

ali1234:

just look in database called 'mysql' (not 'mythconverg'

[18:26:19]

ali1234:

mythtv is not supposed to connect with user root!!!!!?!?!?!

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stian:

well I tried to make things easier I guess

[18:27:24]

stian:

it doesn't really matter what user it connects with does it?

[18:27:45]

ali1234:

well, in truth, if there's nothing in the DB that's important, then no

[18:27:52]

stian:

:) there isn't

[18:27:59]

ali1234:

but root access is never allowed remotely by default

[18:28:05]

stian:

hmm

[18:28:11]

ali1234:

so perhaps if you set it back to user mythtv, it will work properly?

[18:28:15]

stian:

hmm

[18:28:20]

ali1234:

hmm indeed

[18:28:24]

stian:

I don't believe so

[18:28:36]

stian:

because mysql isn't suppost to allow connections remotly by default

[18:28:40]

stian:

as far as I've learned

[18:29:59]

ali1234:

that depends on how the distro configures it

[18:30:14]

ali1234:

but trust me, you'll never find a distro that allows remote root by default

[18:30:19]

stian:

Database error was:

[18:30:20]

stian:

Host 'mythtv.lan' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server

[18:30:26]

stian:

changed it back now

[18:30:35]

stian:

to mythtv as the user that connects on both computers

[18:30:56]

ali1234:

well it must be accepting connections in order for it to know that host mythtv.lan tried to connect, yes?

[18:30:56]

justinh:

lol now there's a script to randomly change the theme background every day

[18:31:08]

ali1234:

awesome where can i get it?

[18:31:17]

justinh:

the -users list

[18:31:18]

stian:

ali1234: yes I guess so, mythtv.lan is mythtv frontend

[18:31:34]

justinh:

ali1234: I want no part of it. creative suicide ;)

[18:31:44]

ali1234:

and how does it work without restarting the frontend?

[18:31:48]

justinh:

it doesn't

[18:31:50]

stian:

I can't seem to access the database from localhost either

[18:31:57]

ali1234:

okay, that's pointless then

[18:32:12]

ali1234:

stian: well, you wiped the grant tables...

[18:32:14]

justinh:

ali1234: not if it does it while you're asleep

[18:32:26]

ali1234:

it forces a frontend restart?

[18:32:33]

justinh:

eep! it restarts X. roflmao

[18:32:38]

ali1234:

DOH

[18:32:41]

justinh:

pkill xinit

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ali1234:

im not letting that anywhere near my computer :P

[18:33:23]

justinh:

good gawd there's been a lot of shady stuff going on in the name of mythtv recently. sudo wget in 'forked' plugins & all sorts

[18:33:50]

ali1234:

damn

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justinh:

helio.. something or other

[18:34:13]

ali1234:

is this just lazy programming or attempted exploits?

[18:34:24]

justinh:

lazy/noobish/silly

[18:34:40]

justinh:

insert your own adjective

[18:35:45]

justinh:

time to go shopping. go, Jbidwatcher.. snipe, my pretty

[18:35:57]

stian:

ali1234: GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'mythtv'@'localhost'

[18:36:02]

stian:

would this be correct?

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ali1234:

then mythtv will only have access from localhost

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stian:

ok

[18:36:26]

stian:

so I should put mythtv@mythtv then?

[18:36:31]

stian:

mythtv = my frontend

[18:36:32]

ali1234:

and to every database (including the grant tables)

[18:36:46]

ali1234:

im sure that the proper line is in the mythtv docs

[18:36:52]

ali1234:

i dont want to guess

[18:37:32]

stian:

well i am reading the docs

[18:38:05]

ali1234:

aw man, there will never be support for anything but mysql?

[18:38:10]

bsdfox:

grant all privileges on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'*' I think

[18:38:14]

ali1234:

(reading faq)

[18:38:26]

jarle:

Could anybody have a look at http://www.pastebin.ca/773683, I'm wondering where my program table has gone...

[18:38:28]

ali1234:

yes that sounds reasonable

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bsdfox:

ali1234: it shouldn't be hard to convert to pgsql or something

[18:38:48]

ali1234:

im sure... there are plenty of wrapper libraries available too

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stian:

Database error was:

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stian:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'mythtv.lan' (using password: YES)

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stian:

goddamnit

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gbee:

jarle: not good, have you tried running the repair script in contrib?

[18:47:15]

gbee:

optimisedb or something like that

[18:48:08]

ali1234:

i have to wonder... if i have corrupted listings from 2016, then what other errors there could be...

[18:48:17]

gbee:

otherwise just recreate the table, since there is no valuable information to be lost in the program table

[18:48:36]

gbee:

ali1234: using EIT?

[18:49:01]

ali1234:

yes

[18:49:10]

gbee:

EIT ocassionally contains corrupt program data, telltale signs are dates in the future etc

[18:49:28]

ali1234:

oh so it's not because of a signal problem?

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gbee:

ali1234: it's more often connected to signal issues, since a bad signal tends to produce corrupt data streams

[18:50:39]

ali1234:

then, can i tell mythtv to ignore the listings data on the weaker transponders?

[18:51:05]

jarle:

gbee: telling mysqlcheck specifically which table to repair fixed the problem, like this: "mysqlcheck -r -u root mythconverg program"

[18:51:23]

gbee:

jarle: cool

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jarle:

gbee: but thanks for your input anyway, just sitting there getting NO replies, is the worst feeling possible when you find yourself with a problem :)

[18:52:22]

gbee:

ali1234: depends how the EIT data is broadcast, if each transport only sends out EIT data for the channels it carries, then just disable EIT on those channels – otherwise no

[18:52:53]

ali1234:

it's UK freeview. i believe every transponder carries the full listings

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bsdfox:

stian: grant all privileges on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'mythtv.lan'

[18:53:13]

gbee:

jarle: I would have replied earlier but I'm not watching IRC all the time, tend to check back in here while I'm waiting for things to compile etc

[18:53:14]

ali1234:

although possibly not cos my old listings grabbing software stopped working recently

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ali1234:

well, i'll look into it after i get remote control working

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gbee:

ali1234: here in the UK the transport only carries EIT data for the channels on that frequency

[18:54:03]

gbee:

or at least it did last time I looked, but things change

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gbee:

I'm going to persuade someone to sanity check EIT data before it's inserted into the database (or maybe I'll just do it myself)

[18:55:04]

ali1234:

yeah. i used to use a custom program that generated web pages from the EIT, using only 1 channel tuning. it worked for a while and then stopped... that's probably why. i never did figure it out. switched to myth instead

[18:56:42]

directhex:

gbee, please sanity-check it. just do a "if year > 2036 then fuck off" check!

[18:56:46]

gbee:

the original reason for not checking that dates were ok was that the bad data was symptomatic of a failure in the CRC checking, but even if that is still the case we need those checks now

[18:59:24]

gbee:

it's been a year since I did any work on the EIT/DVB side of things, but adding the sanity checks should be pretty straight forward

[19:00:49]

stian:

yeahh

[19:00:52]

stian:

I believe I fixed it

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stian:

:)

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janneg:

ali1234: are you using trunk or 0.20*

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ali1234:

i'm using whatever you get with mythbuntu :)

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ali1234:

0.20.2 i think

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janneg:

gbee: sanity checking will only hide bugs. And I haven't seen invalid data since we fixed the eit crc checks

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janneg:

ali1234: thanks

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stian:

nope

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stian:

didn't work

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stian:

only localhost not mythtv damnit

[19:08:19]

iamlindoro_:

stian, is apache running on your mythbackend?

[19:08:28]

gbee:

janneg: it needn't hide the bugs if we print errors every time we see a bad EIT data, I think that's preferable to inserting that bad data into the database

[19:08:32]

iamlindoro_:

You might think about trying phpmyadmin, it makes this kind of thing a snap

[19:08:35]

stian:

iamlindoro_: dunno :P

[19:08:44]

stian:

so just install phpmyadmin?

[19:09:20]

iamlindoro_:

Well, phpmyadmin allows you to graphically administer your mysql d-base... it may be overkill for this little problem but might help in the future too

[19:09:34]

stian:

yeah of course

[19:09:56]

stian:

so where do I grant user mythtv on machine mythtv(frontend) access on my backend ? :P

[19:10:02]

stian:

installing phpmyadmin on the backend now

[19:10:31]

iamlindoro_:

And in phpmyadmin, you'd basically select mythconverg, click "privileges", select your myth user, and adjust permissions check boxes to give him full privileges from all hosts

[19:10:48]

stian:

alrighty

[19:10:52]

stian:

seems like a easy task.

[19:10:54]

stian:

I should learn sql

[19:11:04]

stian:

I know linux, I know networking..

[19:11:05]

janneg:

gbee: but data until 2038 is much more visible than an error in the log ;)

[19:11:09]

stian:

I just need to learn html and sql :P

[19:11:47]

stian:

so

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stian:

http://iptomybackend/phpmyadmin?

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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janneg:

gbee: and I'm not sure if it is still needed. I can't remember a single complaint for trunk in the last 6 months

[19:12:09]

iamlindoro_:

log in as your mysql root user

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iamlindoro_:

in the pull down on the left, select mythconverg, then the Privileges tab on the right

[19:12:34]

stian:

hmm

[19:12:41]

stian:

The requested URL /phpmyadmin was not found on this server.

[19:13:07]

iamlindoro_:

well, try your server root and see where it installed... I have no idea what distro you're on so I have no idea how your install went

[19:13:16]

gbee:

janneg: in that time I've seen one or two events with dates in the future, but you are right, it's less common than it used to be

[19:13:20]

stian:

hmm apache 2 works atleast

[19:13:57]

stian:

doesn't list anything though

[19:14:34]

iamlindoro_:

K, dunno what to tell you, it's outside the scope of the room... anyway, if you can get phpmyadmin working, then it's a fairly easy way to admin mysql privileges

[19:15:32]

stian:

interesting

[19:15:36]

stian:

there is no phpmyadmin in /var/www

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iamlindoro_:

That's not unusual

[19:16:24]

stian:

hmm

[19:16:34]

iamlindoro_:

Sounds like you're debian-based

[19:16:43]

iamlindoro_:

it would be set up in /etc/apache2/conf.d/

[19:16:51]

iamlindoro_:

the conf file that points to where it *is*

[19:17:23]

stian:

cough

[19:17:26]

stian:

there is no conf file there :P

[19:17:37]

iamlindoro_:

When I guess you have a problem

[19:17:40]

iamlindoro_:

er then

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stian:

what the hell.. :p

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iamlindoro_:

So anyway, just throwing it out as a possible route to a fix.. if you can get it working, you ought to be able to get fixed quickly

[19:18:30]

iamlindoro_:

see if you have a /usr/share/phpmyadmin

[19:18:43]

stian:

yes i do

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janneg:

gbee: hmm, I'm not sure when the crc check was fixed but it should be more than 6 months ago

[19:19:31]

stian:

iamlindoro_: I appreciate you helping me btw

[19:19:54]

iamlindoro_:

try a locate phpmyadmin.conf

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iamlindoro_:

and see if it exists anywhere

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gbee:

janneg: I know the events I saw were after the CRC fixes, that's why I remember them

[19:20:22]

janneg:

gbee: I would like to wait with implementing the sanity checks until we are sure they are needed

[19:20:30]

janneg:

hmm

[19:20:50]

gbee:

the cause may not have been corrupt data, but simply bad data from the broadcaster, we don't know for certain

[19:20:53]

ali1234:

perhaps it should be an option, defaulting to "off"

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gbee:

we don't want more options if it can be avoided

[19:21:57]

ali1234:

fair enough, i can understand that

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gbee:

janneg: I'd say it's been at least two months since I saw a program with a date in the future and 2/3 bad events in ~6 months isn't too bad

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stian:

iamlindoro_: I fixed it, just ran a ln -s

[19:23:49]

stian:

anyhow

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stian:

but

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stian:

Cannot load mysql extension. Please check your PHP configuration.

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iamlindoro_:

That won't work properly, I don't think

[19:24:18]

iamlindoro_:

you need the conf file

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ali1234:

well i have only been using myth for about two months, i got dates in the future within a couple of days of installing the first time, and within 1 day the second time. so it probably is a bad signal in my case

[19:26:28]

stian:

damnit I'm so annoyed at my self

[19:26:35]

stian:

I had myth up and running so perfectly the other day

[19:26:50]

stian:

but I just HAD to install mythbackend on my filserver and reinstall my previous backend / frontend

[19:26:54]

stian:

now frontend :P

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gbee:

ali1234: I'm using trunk, the development code where things should be better

[19:29:02]

gbee:

problems with 0.20.2 are probably fixed in trunk, just that for whatever reason we've no backported the fix to the stable branch

[19:29:12]

gbee:

s/no/not/

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ali1234:

ah okay

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stian:

yeaaah

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stian:

fuck phpmyadmin

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stian:

love terminal :D

[19:32:03]

stian:

fixed it

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stian:

thank you for the help iamlindoro_!

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iamlindoro_:

Cool, glad you got it sorted

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justinh:

woo got a T5600 for £55

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gbee:

jams: just seen screenshots of midnight for the first time, got to say I'm very impressed and just a little gutted since my theme won't be as original as I'd hoped :)

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stian:

yes I'm very happy now :P

[19:33:10]

stian:

pleased indeed

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gbee:

justinh: so is that one that will work with the board you bought?

[19:34:37]

justinh:

yes, allegedly

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justinh:

believe it when I see it

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gbee:

jams: really like what you've done in some places, I'd be tempted to go back to the drawing board having seen that

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justinh:

I'm obviously not getting anywhere with this ebay guy :(

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gbee:

:(

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bsdfox:

anyone know how to remove commercial flags from a file?

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gbee:

hit e to edit the recording, press x (or something) to load the cutlist, then menu >> Jobs >> transcode

[19:39:54]

gbee:

probably could be describe better ...

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bsdfox:

eh I use a userjob to transcode

[19:40:45]

bsdfox:

and afterwards it still has the flags but I've already cut the commercials out, so they're in all the wrong places :P

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jarle:

bsdfox: I've never done it myself, but this is described in detail in the wiki...

[19:41:39]

bsdfox:

I don't believe it is

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gbee:

bsdfox: in that case, why run it as a userjob?

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bsdfox:

cause it works better than mythtranscode :)

[19:42:15]

gbee:

mythtranscode _should_ remove all flags from the database after it has run

[19:42:55]

gbee:

but the only way to do it otherwise is to remove them manually "DELETE FROM recordedmarkup WHERE ...."

[19:43:11]

justinh:

ah shite. there are TWO socket 479 variants

[19:43:15]

justinh:

TWO!

[19:43:21]

justinh:

socket M & socket P

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gbee:

ewww

[19:43:34]

justinh:

so technically I have no grounds for complaint

[19:44:01]

** gbee decides to stick with AMD **

[19:44:32]

gbee:

that really sucks

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jarle:

bsdfox: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials

[19:47:06]

bsdfox:

jarle: yeah, doesn't say anywhere how to remove the commercial FLAGGINGS

[19:47:44]

gbee:

jarle: he's looking to find out how to delete the advert flagging info from the database

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justinh:

really sucks apart from I'll prolly get what I paid for it back on the fleabay

[19:48:21]

jarle:

gbee: ahh, oki...

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bsdfox:

I'll just add it into my rm commercials script :\

[19:48:43]

bsdfox:

then I've got 30 pages of rows to delete

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BULLE:

justinh: m is for mobile ?

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gbee:

if you've got this new CPU that works with the mobo, then you don't need to return or resell it then?

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justinh:

BULLE: yeah and so is P

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justinh:

both are called 'socket 479' apparently.

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justinh:

fs

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gbee:

but not compatible, which is just stupid

[19:51:33]

justinh:

they need a ducking good smack

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gbee:

well if my mate still worked for Intel I'd do that for you, but he quit years ago because the locals in Ireland were too friendly, so he ended up working on the IT systems at a Distillery

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ali1234:

so how about these evdev remote controls? using lirc just to remap them seems like overkill to me. but some key on my remote don't even show up using xev, although you can see data with 'cat /dev/input/eventX'

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BULLE:

gbee: he, free booze every day i bet!

[20:02:21]

gbee:

aye, it was his dream job :)

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gbee:

just noticed I typo'd "were too friendly", should have been "weren't too friendly"

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stian:

2007-11–14 21:08:31.029 Connection timed out. You probably should modify the Master Server settings in the setup program and set the proper IP address.

[20:09:01]

stian:

wierdly enough the master server settings in the set up program is correct

[20:09:04]

stian:

which is 10.0.0.66

[20:09:17]

stian:

it's correct on backend and frontend

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stian:

and I'm granted to the database

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gbee:

apparently wasn't like those Irish Tourist Board adverts where foreigners are treated just like locals in the pubs, more like the League Of Gentleman's corner shop "This is a local shop, for local people"

[20:11:01]

stian:

ok

[20:11:04]

stian:

I found out what the problem was

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stian:

if I start mythbackend as the user mythtv on the backend in terminal it works

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stian:

ok guys

[20:16:22]

stian:

I can't seem to view any of my videos stored on the backend

[20:16:23]

stian:

wtf

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squidly:

stian: where are the videos stored, and where they recoarded from the tv?

[20:17:38]

squidly:

stian: I can get the videos that were recoarded from the tv, but anything else needs a NFS share IIRC

[20:19:24]

stian:

the videos are stored on my backend

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stian:

./storage/ /storage/videos1 ..videos2 dvds etc

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jheizer:

yup, music, videos, plugins... need nfs share

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stian:

uhm

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stian:

what's the point of running backend on a seperate computer then :P

[20:22:32]

stian:

I thought it would automaticly share so to speak

[20:22:51]

GreyFoxx:

access to more pci slots

[20:22:56]

GreyFoxx:

access to more cpu power,

[20:22:59]

GreyFoxx:

more space for harddrives

[20:23:35]

GreyFoxx:

myth only "streams" It's own recorded content. Everything is done locally so to play amp3, video or view a photo you do it via networkfilesystem mounts

[20:23:37]

stian:

I thought the frontend used all the power to decode movies?

[20:23:47]

Andycass1:

GreyFoxx, Do you know, is it possible to watch iptv in mythtv?

[20:23:53]

GreyFoxx:

yes, but if you are going commercial flagg or transcoding that is done on the backend

[20:23:57]

Andycass1:

I am able to watch the channels in vlc

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stian:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

Andycass1: Yes, it does support IPTV, It's been a while since I saw 0.20x so I can only reallu comment on svn

[20:24:35]

GreyFoxx:

but 0.20 had some support for it

[20:24:38]

stian:

GreyFoxx: ok.. a bit stupid though.. i thought installing a backend would really ease everything.. I thought I didn't have to mount everything in nfs

[20:24:39]

GreyFoxx:

It's just very different than now

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GreyFoxx:

stian: You though wrong *shrug*

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Andycass1:

Could you give me some tips of how to get it going?

[20:25:18]

stian:

GreyFoxx: so could this be a future feature? :P

[20:25:20]

GreyFoxx:

Andycass1: ARe you running recent SVN ?

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GreyFoxx:

stian: maybe one day, but I don';t know of anyone actively working on that

[20:26:01]

Andycass1:

No, im running 0.20.2

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GreyFoxx:

Though you can already stream video and mp3 data via the backend upnp server

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stian:

ok

[20:26:13]

GreyFoxx:

but mythfrontend isn't a upnp cliant

[20:26:23]

stian:

GreyFoxx: would you know if anyone is rewriting the damn mythmusic plugin? it sucks atm

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stian:

I belive :P

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stian:

*believe

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: is/was working on a lot of changes to it

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Andycass1:

Is there a compiled svn?

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justinh:

gbee: this is what I got hung by: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4 . . . _Pinouts.jpg

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GreyFoxx:

Andycass1: USing the crcnetwork recorder was quite different than current IPTV support :/

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gbee:

think there are some ubuntu builds

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GreyFoxx:

Andycass1: I think som distros do svn packages

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justinh:

who's afraid of compilering-ifying? it's easy when you get all the build-deps

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Andycass1:

I have ubuntu 7.10

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justinh:

sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins

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BULLE:

justinh: oh, they just moved a pin to make life hard for people =D

[20:28:11]

gbee:

justinh: that is seriously bad on Intels part

[20:28:52]

gbee:

the point to socket naming is to reflect the differences in pin layouts etc

[20:28:52]

justinh:

yeah well. soon I will have my very own core2 duo mobile 1.83Ghz in my new frontend. <rubs hands> (I HOPE)

[20:29:14]

justinh:

lesson learned, fingers burned

[20:29:19]

BULLE:

justinh: what is the tdp of that cpu ?

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justinh:

34W

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BULLE:

oh, so its about half of what the desktop ones has

[20:29:44]

justinh:

just about run fanless by some accounts

[20:29:51]

BULLE:

oh you surely can do that

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BULLE:

i run my core 2 duo desktop cpu fanless

[20:30:07]

BULLE:

you just need a big passive cooler that can handle the heat

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gbee:

stian: made lots of changes to mythmusic, though the biggest and best changes are yet to come, like rewriting the playlist editor got a decent way into that job before getting bored and putting it on the back burner

[20:30:28]

BULLE:

gbee: how can we make you unbored ?

[20:30:37]

gbee:

money might work ;)

[20:31:05]

BULLE:

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BULLE:

gbee: swedish dish, very special, and traditional, i bet not many have eaten it where you live

[20:31:34]

gbee:

probably not :)

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gbee:

when I've finished the jobs I'm working on at the moment, then I will probably go back and finish the mythmusic work

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stian:

gbee: alrighty.. I just think it's very hard to find music in mythmusic.. to browse so to speak

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j2_:

Hm. Can i "disable" a card input on a secondary backend, if all i have access to is the mySQL on the master backend, and the ability to restart the backend on the secondary machine?

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gbee:

stian: you can change the way it's organised in current mythmusic – but the stuff I was working on allows you to browse by genre, artist, album, song, directory etc from the start

[20:34:39]

stian:

ok ;) good

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stian:

I just hate that you can't search for title or artist by pressing something on the keyboard

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gbee:

the following is an early screenshot, the layout etc is not final at all but gives you some idea of what I was doing — http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/playlist_editor.png

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stian:

ah

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stian:

yes definetly

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stian:

looks very good :)

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/playlist_editor3.png

[20:36:00]

gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/playlist_editor2.png

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stian:

:D

[20:36:11]

stian:

wow

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stian:

what other nifty features will the next release bring? ;)

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gbee:

a _lot_ of stuff – most of it better than those changes IMHO

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gbee:

my new theme for a start :p

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jheizer:

nice

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/theme_fullscreen51.png

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jheizer:

is the DB going to stay basically the same?

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gbee:

again, unfinished screenshot

[20:39:06]

gbee:

jheizer: basically yes, though there will be some changes, new columns etc

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j2_:

Hm, killing the entries in "capturecard" and "cardinput" might not be a pretty way to do it.. but it worked ;)

[20:39:25]

gbee:

old columns removed, maybe the odd new table

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jheizer:

k

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gbee:

can't really remember all the changes that have been made in the 13 months since 0.20 was released

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jheizer:

just working on a project that uses the music DB

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jheizer:

as long as it is basically the same I am fine

[20:40:29]

jheizer:

just finally had a few free hours to work on it tonight and was going to be sad if it was all changing

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stian:

wow

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stian:

looks good

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stian:

new theme that is

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stian:

:) well

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stian:

I'm off to play with my new setup

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gbee:

jheizer: hmm, could you describe what the schema is like in 0.20? Since there were some pretty massive changes to the database in mythmusic and I can't remember whether they came before, or after 0.20 was released

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gbee:

basically the tables got rationalised, artist, album, genre information was broken out into seperate tables

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Andycass1:

When I update to svn, do i lose all my previous settings?

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jheizer:

yeah

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jheizer:

like that is .20.2

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gbee:

more recently the directory information has also been broken out into it's own table and we link songs/albumart to their directory with a unique id

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jheizer:

11 taqbles, basic song info, stats, playlists, smart playtlists

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jheizer:

ah ok, so I am missing that it looks like

[20:44:08]

jheizer:

but would be easy enough to add

[20:44:23]

jheizer:

I do has svn as of a month or so ago installed in a test VM

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stian:

what version does gutsy run anyways?

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jheizer:

but haven't examined the differences too much since I use .20.2 in my live system

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jheizer:

if you have storage groups and frontend asked what backend to connect to w/ pin then you are on svn

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stian:

storage groups?

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stian:

as in stored media?

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gbee:

my live system is trunk, partly because I don't have a development environment I can use for mythtv (my normal dev box doesn't have capture cards and is headless) but also because trunk is usually stable enough

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stian:

:)

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iamlindoro_:

gutsy is .20.2

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stian:

that's the spirit

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gbee:

stian: storage groups are lists of storage locations, directories/drives where recordings etc can be stored

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jheizer:

I would like to update, jsut everything is running so damn good

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jheizer:

hate to break it

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stian:

jesus, updating music database takes ages. :P

[20:48:06]

jheizer:

hahaha

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jheizer:

yeah if you have lots of music

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gbee:

stian: fixed in trunk

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stian:

gbee: so in theory what would make the difference between a recording and a video? :P

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gbee:

I reduced the music scan from 26 minutes on my machine down to a little over 1 minute ... or something like that

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iamlindoro_:

SVN for me definitely solves more problems than it creates

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stian:

holy shit, how? :O

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jheizer:

nice!

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stian:

jesus..

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stian:

:P

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stian:

and that's with how many gb of music?

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gbee:

stian: major change was caching of information so that we weren't hitting the database as much, I switched it to use taglib instead of id3tag which is a much faster id3 tagging library and some other stuff

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gbee:

stian: can't remember, but around ~2000 tracks or something like that

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stian:

ok

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stian:

interesting

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gbee:

wasn't all my music, just a subset

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jheizer:

nice tweaking though

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gbee:

let me find the commit so I can get the actual figures

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GreyFoxx:

Just did a scan on mine, took 1.5 minutes, 4145 files, 18G of data

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gbee:

I should point out that the figures were scewed a little because I was doing this over a network, nfs mounted drive had the music

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gbee:

that slows things down, a lot and the database was also on a remote machine

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GreyFoxx:

My wife is the only one who uses it though and she doesn't complain to me about the interface

[20:54:57]

GreyFoxx:

I think she uses mythweb to make her mythmusic playlists

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GreyFoxx:

and then just uses the gui to play thge playlists

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stian:

ah

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stian:

haha

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stian:

I completly forget that my mythbox is on wifi

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stian:

still..

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stian:

goddamnit

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stian:

I should get off my ass and get the damn thing wired already

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gbee:

ok, so I didn't include the stats with the commit but my guess can't have been far wrong

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: is that trunk or 0.20?

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GreyFoxx:

trunk

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gbee:

ok, that sounds about right then

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jheizer:

awesome

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jheizer:

yeah remote nfs and db here

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gbee:

rescans are even faster of course

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jheizer:

but once you get it loaded you are good

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GreyFoxx:

hehe So I'm now feeding my motherinlaws (neighbour) house with myth by running a frontend on a box in my basement

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jheizer:

updates are usually pretty fast

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: heh

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stian:

haha

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stian:

I'm setting up myth at work btw

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stian:

in our server room we've got cable tv.

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stian:

:P

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stian:

Nuff said

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GreyFoxx:

using an RF modulator I'm inserting it on her channel 4 throughout her house

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GreyFoxx:

next to pick up a pair of IR extenders and she'll have full control

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jheizer:

mother-in-law neighbor

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stian:

awesome man

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jheizer:

be like every oen loves raymond

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GreyFoxx:

jheizer: heh

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jheizer:

cool set up though

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a spare MCE remote setup and ready,, not just need the extender

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stian:

touche

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jheizer:

well, I need to run

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jheizer:

later all

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GreyFoxx:

show my slavebackend is her hour frontend

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stian:

later ;)

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stian:

I hope myth get's good pulseaudio support btw

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justinh:

anyway, good news is that I'll be off work on Friday, so as long as my (hopefully correct, this time) CPU is shipped tomorrow, I'll save myself a trip to the sorting office

[21:01:47]

gbee:

stian: works in trunk

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** justinh googles pulseaudio **

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stian:

patch?

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stian:

I'm not updating to trunk yet. :p

[21:02:31]

stian:

no way

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stian:

because my set up is workng now :P

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stian:

*working

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justinh:

can pulseaudio do anything fancy like JACK?

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gbee:

stian: well I think it works, can't remember if it was committed or not

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justinh:

I tried making JACK work with mythtv so I could experiment with a compressor/limiter plugin but it was all way above my head

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stian:

justinh: I believe so

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stian:

I need pulseaudio to work in myth because I've only got 1 speaker system .. which is connected to my mythfrontend

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stian:

:)

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gbee:

all sound systems on linux suck to some degree, though I confess I've no experience with pulse

[21:05:00]

gbee:

alsa devs should be lined up and shot

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justinh:

hack – it works!

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justinh:

hack! hack!

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justinh:

the guys in #alsa do their best to help, but beyond 'have you tried RTFM on the chipset?' there's not much they could do with a problem like the one I had

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justinh:

it's not too much to ask to have analogue & digital audio outputs working at the same time, all the time

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justinh:

now then, let's have a look at this board & CPU I was given today

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gbee:

I don't make any claims of being a good programmer, but then I'm not in charge of writing _the_ linux sound server and driver API, seriously wonder what those guys are doing

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stian:

Ihave very good experience with the new pulseaudio sound server though

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gbee:

at a time when everything else in linux seems to be improving at a phenomenal rate, alsa seems to be regressing

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stian:

seems like a good start on making things alot easier

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stian:

alsa is dead

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stian:

they should really rethink everything

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stian:

I mean alsa is great and everything, but it's outdated

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stian:

by far

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kormoc:

alsa is drivers, pulse audio is a audio sound server

[21:08:39]

kormoc:

it still requires audio drivers, which are provided by alsa

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stian:

true

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justinh:

ooo 2.40 Ghz Pentium 4

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kormoc:

alsa is far from dead or outdated

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gbee:

the problem with declaring alsa dead is that they've just spent the last couple of years replacing OSS with alsa – time which has been wasted

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stian:

yeah that's what I thought gbee

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justinh:

and 256MB of DDR. not to be sniffed at for free :)

[21:09:47]

gbee:

the drivers are servicable, the server/config side of alsa is terrible

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kormoc:

gbee, oss can't support some of the cards tho, so in that sense, it wasn't wasted

[21:10:14]

justinh:

I think part of the problem with ALSA is the sheer number of audio devices & combinations of stuff. they've got their work cut out

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gbee:

I can't use my USB audio speakers with alsa, kills the entire USB system

[21:10:47]

justinh:

audio over USB was never really a good proposition IMHO

[21:10:57]

justinh:

infact USB never was either

[21:11:22]

justinh:

in the sense that it's a common 'standard' of interconnect, it's great but the implementation is just too complex

[21:11:43]

justinh:

firewire works so much better IME

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xris:

justinh: when it works...

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gbee:

justinh: it suited me for use with a laptop, tiny but powerful speakers with a single cable and no external power supply needed – just a shame they don't work under linux because they'd be brilliant otherwise

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justinh:

xris: yeah well never had any problems with it working

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justinh:

now CPUs are faster than when USB audio first came around I spose it's not that bad having audio playback eat more cycles than DMAing sound

[21:14:14]

justinh:

but then, the crappy USB devices I've had – maybe they were just let down more by the fact they were crap rather than the bus/protocol ;)

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justinh:

I wouldn't trust that wireless USB stuff as far as I could throw it though

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stian:

uhm

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stian:

any good live tv's in mythstream? :P

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xris:

live tv's what? you left off the object in that sentence

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stian:

uhm

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stian:

like live tv stream

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stian:

real live streams

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stian:

like abc, fox

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justinh:

of what?

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

what do you think?

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justinh:

Fox, streaming live shows, for FREE? muhahahaha

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xris:

stian: hint, it's a grammar pet peeve.. "tv's" == "belongs to TV". "TVs" == "more than one TV"

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GTswagger:

I'm trying to edit a particularly long sports game (~3.5 hours) ... and when I go into edit mode to eliminate some commercials mythcommflag missed, the time is *way* off ... skipping ahead a second really skips ahead closer to 60–120 seconds. Any ideas how to fix this? mythcommflag --rebuild didn't work :(

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stian:

xris: I'm sorry, my main language is not english, although I have lived in the states. I know my grammar is really bad at times.

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stian:

justinh: who said free. :P

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xris:

stian: if you're asking in here, it better be legal, and mythstream doesn't do for-pay stuff that I know of.

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justinh:

yeah, like anything on linux supports DRM

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xris:

GTswagger: some digital streams have odd timebase information that confuses mythtv. only way I know around it is to transcode the file.

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justinh:

if you want to watch premium shows for free, visit BestBuy or whatever :P

[21:22:52]

stian:

haha

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stian:

I've got abc news.. good enough for me ;)

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seth|web:

what is slingbox. And can it be used inside mythtv?

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GTswagger:

xris — so "Begin Transcode" would fix that?

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GTswagger:

xris — or do you mean use nuvexport then use 3rd party software to remove commercials?

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xris:

seth|web: slingbox is a device that streams video to mobile windows boxes or phones

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justinh:

seth|web: slingbox is a sucky toy you can use to 'stream' content from your home to a remote client

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xris:

GTswagger: either one, depending on what your mythtv transcode settings are.

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justinh:

seth|web: mythtv can do the same thing with mythstreamtv (NOT mythstream) or mythweb from trunk

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GTswagger:

xris — I guess I'd prefer the mythtv transcode so I can still use mythtv editor then nuvexport .... transcode settings are default ..... should I make any changes?

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seth|web:

well I have a friend who has cable, and has Howard TV. I cannot get cable in my neck of the woods (mountian) he said I should rig mythtv to receive a slingbox stream from his howard tv, and we could split the monthly cost

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seth|web:

I have mythstreamtv installed

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xris:

GTswagger: you just need to check for lossless (mpeg->mpeg) vs lossy (mpeg->nuv).. start with the first, since that won't hurt the video quality, but I don't know if it will help, either.

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justinh:

seth|web: that'd suck IMHO

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xris:

seth|web: that's not legal, and you won't get an answer here.

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justinh:

seth|web: and as far as I know, slingbox only works with their propriatary clients anyway

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seth|web:

yeah, i guess that would be kind of illegal, sorry

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seth|web:

i was just curiosm he says he has it and watches tv at work, not very productive, but an intrigueing idea non the less

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GTswagger:

xris — thanks, I'll give it a try

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GTswagger:

xris++

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justinh:

seth|web: the legality of place-shifting has yet to be tested in court, but I'm sure it will at some point

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Yahooadam:

Its very easy to do though Seth :)

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Yahooadam:

and thats all im saying :p

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seth|web:

well I don't want any parts of anything illegal, heh, I work for the PA state courts of all places. ;-)

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justinh:

see all those big TV companies want people to pay for mobile content and they might take exception to 'free' solutions

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xris:

heck, mythtv will probably even get flashvideo livetv streams at some point in the future

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seth|web:

i didn't think deep enough about it, that could be construed as illegal

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seth|web:

my bad

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Yahooadam:

hell i think im probably already bordering on that law

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Yahooadam:

Mythtv records my TV and i move it on a HDD with me

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justinh:

I've watched recordings away from home a couple of times over mythstreamtv & svn mythweb. it was great for showing off to workmates who only have MCE or Sly Plu$

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justinh:

not something I'd use a lot though

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seth|web:

i am just glad for the sirius stream option I have in myth, just enter my username and password, and I can listen to howard all day, that is when the wife is out, or in another room

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Yahooadam:

i dont know how normal users could stream it though, i mean, broadband usually only gives you like 256k upload at the best

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iamlindoro_:

I think the real issue in seth's setup isn't the placeshifting, it's essentially his friend making available as a "rebroadcast" to him... That's defintiely expressly illegal.. in CA the law is under Theft of services

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justinh:

Yahooadam: the flv from trunk mythweb is certainly watchable

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Yahooadam:

that fits in 256k up?

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seth|web:

yes, i won't persue it, don't want to get into troubles

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iamlindoro_:

Placeshifting for personal use is probably covered under fair use, however

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Yahooadam:

if seth is paying for it, i dont quite know what the issue is

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justinh:

Yahooadam: yeah. I'm on Virgin 4MB & it was fine

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Yahooadam:

however, your only going to pay for half ....

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Yahooadam:

thats cable though isnt it justinh – and its the upload that matters

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seth|web:

well it must be, he bought his slingbox at the best buy locally, so it must be ok if you are rebroadcasting that which you pay for

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seth|web:

but this is PA, not CA

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justinh:

the T&Cs will prolly say it's one subscription per resident address

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DustyBin:

i dont usually spam but im doing a live set on my radio right now and need somone to tune in to see if the mic and levels sound ok: www.worldbeyond.net

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Yahooadam:

but thats withing a house

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Yahooadam:

within #

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iamlindoro_:

for *personal* use, yes... but for the use of another is illegal... taking money for it, even just to pay the sub, only makes it worse.

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justinh:

DustyBin: heheh I used to do that a while back. and I got paid :D

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Yahooadam:

yeah thats what id think too iamlindoro

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Yahooadam:

lets face it, expect the least favorable outcome for yourself seth

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DustyBin:

hehe

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justinh:

DustyBin: music level sounds fine. can't hear any mic

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DustyBin:

mic problems..

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justinh:

sounds like music to scribble themes to

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DustyBin:

still cannot hear mic?

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justinh:

DustyBin: nope

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seth|web:

yes, I will officially not continue with the slingbox thing, I won't even ask him to video tape it, ;-)

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Yahooadam:

lol officially ;)

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justinh:

DustyBin: used to work for OzoneRadio, had a Friday night show playing funky house

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DustyBin:

aye nice :D

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justinh:

DustyBin: can hear the mic now. bit toppy though

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justinh:

I can hear it

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Yahooadam:

whats wrong with a pair of headphones dustybin :p

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justinh:

no PFL on da mix innit

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Yahooadam:

was that an answer to my question justinh, if so, it went straight over my head

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Yahooadam:

Sigh

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Yahooadam:

my fedora core 5 webserver is fcked :(

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Yahooadam:

im clearly going with a debian based distro next time

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Yahooadam:

red hat/whatever fedora is based on sucks

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justinh:

Yahooadam: PFL == prefade listen.. but nm

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Yahooadam:

laptop + headphones = able to listen to your broadcasts

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justinh:

no substitute for _real_ mixers though

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Yahooadam:

yeah

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Yahooadam:

but you do _need_ to know what your broadcasting

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justinh:

not that I've ever tried one of those fancy controller doozies

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Yahooadam:

i listened to a band once, it was totally messed up beacause no-one realised that the singers mic's volume was so low you could barely hear her

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Yahooadam:

could have been a dumb audio tech

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justinh:

mixing live sound can be tricky though

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Yahooadam:

true

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Yahooadam:

but they didnt do anything about it (atleast for that whole song)

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justinh:

I did the PA for an amateur dram. production for a week once. never again. little starlets all wanted to be higher in the mix than the rest

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Yahooadam:

translation: the singers wanted to be louder then the music?

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justinh:

and having to fend off a 'pro' sound tech who was pissed & agressive wasn't fun either. he claimed that my radio mike receiver was clipping despite repeatedly being informed the bargraph was for the signal level

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justinh:

Yahooadam: they wanted to be louder than the other singers

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Yahooadam:

oh

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Yahooadam:

so one band had many singers?

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justinh:

ME! no ME!

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justinh:

well, they took turns to do lead but all sung backing in turns too. when they were backing they wanted to be more prominent

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

children :p

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justinh:

got hold of another amp & sorted the monitor mix on stage so they thought it was how they wanted it

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Yahooadam:

bah

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Yahooadam:

i really should start to do some work

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Yahooadam:

lol justinh :p

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Yahooadam:

bloody system admins here cant even keep the damn fileserver working

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Yahooadam:

and we're the fucking school of computing

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Yahooadam:

takes the bloody piss

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justinh:

well, it was an experience. put it this way, they honestly defined the word 'primadonna' & would make me look tame by comparison

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Yahooadam:

ha ha :)

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Yahooadam:

allways fun to deal with people like that

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mzb_d800:

oooohhh ... time to play ... new tuner has arrived ... seller got ripped ;) (I paid au$23 total, he paid $10.60 in postage;))

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justinh:

DustyBin: you should be on radio1 with mic level control like that :P

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mzb_d800:

*and* he added a plugpack (for a device that doesn't use one) !!?!!

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justinh:

you can never have enough wall-warts. oh no.. wait a sec that's wrong

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Yahooadam:

justinh, do you want to elaborate for those of us not listening :p

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justinh:

when's PoE gonna take off in the home?

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Yahooadam:

never

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justinh:

awwww

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Yahooadam:

theyve tried to do it, but i havent seen anything that actually distributes the power

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justinh:

you mean I'm gonna have to nick switches from work?

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Yahooadam:

the only switches ive seen are proper rackmount ones, which cost £k's

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justinh:

if I'm careful I bet I could manage it assuming all my devices work from a common PSU voltage

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Yahooadam:

PoE doesnt even work with gigabit does it?

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justinh:

it can do, depending on the method

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Yahooadam:

gigabit ethernet is using all 8 wires though ....

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justinh:

yes, so?

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Yahooadam:

PoE (or atleast the original versions) worked by using the spare wires to send the power

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justinh:

with the judicious use of electromoronics you can put DC on signal lines

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justinh:

and grab it at t'other end quite effortlessly

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Yahooadam:

yeah except you just changed a perfectly safe signal line into a nicely charged power line

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justinh:

similar to how those IR extenders put the remote signal onto a coax aerial cable

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justinh:

also similar to how you power aerial amps remotely

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Yahooadam:

true, but you dont often move aerial amps around

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justinh:

if the end driving it is smart (most are) you don't blow anything up

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Yahooadam:

plus the switch would have to be safe for non PoE devices, so .... i dunno

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justinh:

reminds me. wonder what I'm gonna use my cat5 sender for now I don't have my cabletv fed into myth anymore

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Yahooadam:

you have a cat5 sender?

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justinh:

I should maybe start playing with whole house audio

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Yahooadam:

wtf is one of them :p

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justinh:

Yahooadam: made it myself. send svideo & stereo audio (or RGB & digital audio) over cat5 & back

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Yahooadam:

oh

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justinh:

similar to www.kat5.tv

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Yahooadam:

not like wirelessly transmitting cat5 :p

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justinh:

rofl – messenger sounds in a radio show. whatever next DustyBin?

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mzb_d800:

PoE is happening here (unfortunately)

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justinh:

Yahooadam: no, noy quite

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Yahooadam:

ive seen a couple of PoE Access points

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Yahooadam:

but thats it

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mzb_d800:

err ... nope, I think PoE is a different thing

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stian:

uhm no

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stian:

there are poe AP's

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Yahooadam:

(and they were external ones)

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mzb_d800:

(caffeine deficiency)

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stian:

;)

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stian:

we all know how that feels

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justinh:

I might have to put my DJ bootleg tracks online again at some point

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mzb_d800:

but on a good note, the tuner appears to do something, and I've found the firmware

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justinh:

but scary now the copyright police are all over the place now though

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stian:

dude stop caring so much :P

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mzb_d800:

(this is what happens if I get out of bed < 9am ;))

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justinh:

it's not _your_ ass that'd be getting sued, is it? :P

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Yahooadam:

i forgot to set my damn alarm this morning

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Yahooadam:

mzb – before 9am

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Yahooadam:

wtf

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justinh:

back in the day they'd tell you to be nice & stop. now they just miss that step out

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Yahooadam:

lazy ..... *grumbles*

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mzb_d800:

that that'd yank somebody's chain

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mzb_d800:

Yahooadam: I'm a "Home Dad"

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mzb_d800:

(and a Disabled Pensioner)

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Yahooadam:

then again, i only have to get up before 9 twice a week ;)

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mzb_d800:

heh ... lol

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Yahooadam:

7:30 starts are not fun

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mzb_d800:

try being the nominated "your turn" (every time) when a 2yo has nightmares or wet bed

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Yahooadam:

*slap* – back to bed

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justinh:

yeah nevermind changing the sheets or owt

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Yahooadam:

how can you say "your turn" if its you every time :p

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justinh:

though as this dog has proven to me I doubt my resolve would last long

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mzb_d800:

I'm not the one that says it

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Yahooadam:

(by back to bed, i mean you go back to bed, not tell the child to go back to bed)

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mzb_d800:

heh ... that's my usual approach

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Yahooadam:

"Grow some balls and deal with it" :p

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mzb_d800:

;P

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mzb_d800:

that's what got me in this situation in the first place :)

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Yahooadam:

omg who puts an advert in their leaving message?

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justinh:

miranda

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Yahooadam:

then again, thinking about it, i have no idea what mine says when i leave ;)

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justinh:

:)

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Yahooadam:

:)

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Yahooadam:

im using pidgin, so i dont even know how/if to change it

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rhpot1991:

does anyone here use mythflix?

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Yahooadam:

rhpot1991 – dont ask to ask, just ask

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justinh:

rhpot1991: no, it won't ever work with their download a movie service

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rhpot1991:

heh, not what I'm looking for

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roothorick:

I'm building a dedicated box for MythTV, trying to do it on the cheap, but I want to be able to record HDTV. Suggestions on a capture card?

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Yahooadam:

roothorick – HDTV is easy on the backend

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Yahooadam:

but you need somthing quite substantial to play it

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justinh:

roothorick: one that can grab HDTV over the air or from QAM cable, like the HDHomerun

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rhpot1991:

just signed up and installed it, it doesn't seem to be managing my queue at all and some of the feed data seems to be broken

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rhpot1991:

such as images not working and the description having a anchor in it

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roothorick:

preferably something that takes component input, so I can hook it up to my cable company's cable box

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justinh:

roothorick: nope, not a chance in hell, not ever

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roothorick:

seriously? There isn't a capture card on the market that can't take 720p video from component?

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justinh:

even if you could capture component input at a price you could afford, encoding it on the fly would be heavy going

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justinh:

roothorick: _seriously_

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Yahooadam:

you would need like a 8800GT level card to encode it on the fly

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roothorick:

bah, videocard doesn't matter

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mzb_d800:

roothorick: I have a p3–650 that can record HD (mpeg2), but can't play it

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roothorick:

it's the CPU

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Yahooadam:

(except going the other way)

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Yahooadam:

if you were doing hardware encoding roothorick

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roothorick:

mzb_d800: the machine in question is a Tbird 1.4 that used to be my main desktop once upon a time

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justinh:

there's one which can take HDMI input & encode it to massive MJPEG-like files but it won't work in linux & mythtv wouldn't work with it without major changes anyway

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roothorick:

I don't care about HDMI

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rhpot1991:

my mythflix is at 0.20.2 (according to ubuntu packaging)

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roothorick:

so my best option right now is to wait then

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justinh:

roothorick: you'll have a bloody long wait I can tell you that

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Yahooadam:

well being the main medium for HDTV – perhaps you should?

[22:15:03]

mzb_d800:

the only way I can watch HD on either of my FE's is by transcoding it down to SD res ;)

[22:15:13]

roothorick:

Yahooadam: most setups I've seen used component

[22:15:25]

Yahooadam:

you need like a 3ghz Core2Duo to play back HDTV

[22:15:32]

roothorick:

my Athlon XP desktop can decode and play MPEG2 in realtime just fine

[22:15:36]

roothorick:

at about 60% CPU usage

[22:15:45]

rhpot1991:

any ideas if it should work, or if I just have a config issue?

[22:15:47]

mzb_d800:

HD mpeg2?

[22:15:48]

Yahooadam:

yes, but thats MPEG2 standard definition

[22:15:49]

justinh:

roothorick: but ENcoding mpeg2 at HD res?

[22:15:49]

roothorick:

and that's 1080p video with AC3 audio

[22:15:58]

roothorick:

justinh: I'd need a hardware encoder

[22:16:02]

justinh:

roothorick: no such thing

[22:16:32]

mzb_d800:

dvb tuner

[22:16:39]

justinh:

let's just close the issue altogether. no can do, likely never will be able to, and even if you could, chances are you'd not be able to afford it even if linux drivers were available & mythtv supported it

[22:17:06]

roothorick:

justinh: that's what I once said about playing 1080p video on a computer. Things changed.

[22:17:17]

justinh:

easiest way to get HD is one of the following: OTA via an antenna. QAM from your cable. cablebox with firewire output

[22:17:31]

roothorick:

I can to the cablebox/firewire, MAYBE

[22:17:36]

roothorick:

Time Warner, northeast Wisconsin

[22:17:51]

justinh:

all viable but not all channels are available by those methods, and they're your only options right now and on the immediate horizon

[22:17:52]

roothorick:

that would involve buying an HDTV just so the cable gook that shows up with the box doesn't complain

[22:18:28]

justinh:

roothorick: what would be the point of having HD if you don't have a HDTV to watch it on?

[22:18:42]

Yahooadam:

im guessing he will play it on a PC screen

[22:18:46]

justinh:

sigh

[22:18:48]

roothorick:

justinh: I have a 1600x1200 native PC monitor

[22:18:56]

Yahooadam:

22" im guessing then

[22:19:00]

justinh:

woo 4:3. nice :-\

[22:19:01]

roothorick:

yeah, 22"

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roothorick:

don't mind the letterboxing

[22:19:13]

tempb0y:

hi all any of you have pics of your frontends?

[22:19:21]

justinh:

ASL ?

[22:19:30]

Yahooadam:

lol my thoughts exactly justinh :p

[22:19:36]

tempb0y:

heh, i work for to catch a preditor you better watch out :)

[22:20:10]

roothorick:

I used to respond with 666/m/Gehennom just to spite people

[22:20:30]

tempb0y:

?

[22:20:40]

justinh:

roothorick: anyway, sorry fella. grabbing HDTV in analogue form just ain't gonna happen cos the powers that be don't want it to, and if it did become possible (it IS at Pro level already) it'd be pretty damn expensive

[22:20:43]

tempb0y:

where is gehennom?

[22:21:38]

stian:

hey guys

[22:21:41]

rmcnamara__:

tempb0y, you can see lots of frontend/backend pictures on mythtvtalk

[22:21:43]

justinh:

tempb0y: this is my hunk o junk: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=22

[22:21:53]

stian:

is there a way to add streams to the mythstream database without using gui?

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[22:22:07]

justinh:

stian: yesh of course there is. by hacking the database

[22:22:25]

Yahooadam:

thats pretty nice justinh

[22:22:31]

iamlindoro_:

And I don't just mention that because my sexay setup is on there, hahah

[22:22:38]

justinh:

the epia will be history next week

[22:22:39]

stian:

hmm

[22:22:41]

stian:

alrightyo

[22:22:46]

justinh:

stinky PoS that it is

[22:23:15]

justinh:

Nikon CoolPix 775 took the pic, FYI. don't buy one, they're crap

[22:23:23]

Yahooadam:

lol

[22:24:09]

tempb0y:

justinh nice. how do you control the frontend? navigation?

[22:24:22]

iamlindoro_:

Yeah, it superimposed a pic of Angelina Jolie's daddy on your screen. Weird.

[22:24:27]

justinh:

tempb0y: a remote. no keyboard. certainly no mouse

[22:24:43]

tempb0y:

justinh an all-in-one type of remote

[22:24:58]

justinh:

I made a cable & reprogrammed my OFA-6 remote, then learned it with irrecord

[22:25:16]

Yahooadam:

sounds about right :)

[22:25:24]

justinh:

one remote for my TV, myth, cable box & receiver

[22:25:26]

Yahooadam:

i use the MCE Remote (the hauppage one)

[22:25:33]

Yahooadam:

for my frontend

[22:25:48]

justinh:

that box is soon gonna be housing my mobile core2 duo frontend

[22:25:52]

Yahooadam:

P.s. FinePix S9500 FTW justinh :)

[22:25:56]

justinh:

if I ever buy the right CPU

[22:26:17]

Yahooadam:

mobile core2duo frontend, rich ***

[22:26:22]

Yahooadam:

:p

[22:26:23]

justinh:

Yahooadam: not at all

[22:26:25]

hashbang:

justinh: just giving your glass-wide theme a whirl

[22:26:32]

hashbang:

justinh: I like it so far

[22:26:40]

justinh:

motherboard £36. CPU £55, ram £17

[22:26:53]

justinh:

Yahooadam: cheaper than the pooey EPIA-M10k

[22:27:02]

Yahooadam:

true, but thats not saying much

[22:27:09]

tempb0y:

justinh i see. i noticed some mac minis as frontends. those are expensive frontends though

[22:27:12]

justinh:

the price of silence

[22:27:30]

mzb:

heh

[22:27:40]

Yahooadam:

who wants a mac atall, let alone a mac mini :p

[22:27:44]

mzb:

bite that tongue

[22:27:44]

justinh:

hashbang: cool. if you like it enough just send me a Mac Mini & I might do a 4:3 version

[22:27:55]

hashbang:

justinh: I needed to darken the cinema background image a bit, add a white outline to the green text

[22:28:05]

hashbang:

justinh: heh. I don't need a 4:3 version. :-)

[22:28:09]

justinh:

hashbang: to each their own. works for me (tm)

[22:28:27]

Yahooadam:

So justinh, are you somone i may have known previously by a different name ;)

[22:28:34]

tempb0y:

what are ppl using for heatsinks for core2duo chips too keep them cool and not have noise?

[22:28:40]

justinh:

Yahooadam: possibly

[22:28:44]

tempb0y:

just talking frontends here

[22:28:50]

hashbang:

justinh: I also needed to be a bit less optimistic about overscan on the OSD bottom part with the description, time, callsign etc.

[22:28:53]

Yahooadam:

somone who may have also made themes ;)

[22:28:53]

justinh:

tempb0y: looking at maybe a zalman Cu thingy

[22:29:04]

tempb0y:

so then only noise is coming from PSU?

[22:29:08]

tempb0y:

since you network boot?

[22:29:08]

Yahooadam:

somone whos website is down ...

[22:29:09]

tempb0y:

PXE?

[22:29:12]

justinh:

Yahooadam: that guy is dead now. poor guy

[22:29:19]

justinh:

tempb0y: aye

[22:29:19]

tempb0y:

justinh who? zalman?

[22:29:24]

hashbang:

justinh: what's the name of the OSD menu that has P-i-P, edit recording etc?

[22:29:30]

justinh:

Zalman 7000Cu

[22:29:41]

justinh:

hashbang: there's no XML for it

[22:29:44]

hashbang:

(I just need to move that right a bit)

[22:29:50]

justinh:

it's entirely unthemeable

[22:29:55]

hashbang:

ack. :-(

[22:29:58]

justinh:

yes, I _know_

[22:30:00]

mzb:

it is xml

[22:30:07]

justinh:

I want to remove 2/3 of the options from it

[22:30:12]

justinh:

is it?!

[22:30:17]

mzb:

yes

[22:30:21]

mzb:

painful to edit

[22:30:27]

justinh:

where? filename?

[22:30:30]

mzb:

err

[22:30:36]

mzb:

hang on

[22:30:48]

Yahooadam:

you got juski, i mean justinh all excited now :)

[22:31:20]

mzb_d800:

osd.xml ;)

[22:31:31]

justinh:

mzb_d800: you can't control how the OSD MENU looks in there

[22:31:52]

mzb_d800:

you can change the position of everything, which is what the OP asked

[22:32:01]

justinh:

you can't

[22:32:06]

mzb_d800:

I've done it

[22:32:10]

mzb_d800:

so I know you can

[22:32:13]

justinh:

you can change the position of the indicators & stuff, not the MENU

[22:32:38]

mzb_d800:

<hashbang> (I just need to move that right a bit)

[22:32:43]

justinh:

wait a minute.. could be wrong here

[22:32:56]

justinh:

<container name="basedialog" priority="0"> ???

[22:33:14]

mzb_d800:

everything (afaik) can be moved

[22:33:53]

justinh:

don't think I've ever played with that container

[22:33:57]

justinh:

so I'm sorry!

[22:34:03]

justinh:

that's prolly the one

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mzb_d800:

and it's only *fairly* painful to change most of it to look right ... the hardest part is probably getting the edit indicator to match up with the marks

[22:34:09]

tempb0y:

thanks for everything justinh

[22:34:11]

tempb0y:

laters all

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hashbang:

mzb: yup, container name="menu" in osd.xml

[22:34:59]

mzb_d800:

coz if you move it all to the right, various things have to be moved left :))

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justinh:

there's no "menu" container in many of the osd themes

[22:35:10]

justinh:

doh!

[22:35:17]

mzb_d800:

(eg. time, edit bar needs to be shorter .... etc)

[22:35:39]

hashbang:

justinh: about line 343 in your glass-wide's osd.xml :-)

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mzb_d800:

I edited Titivillus-OSD at one stage

[22:36:02]

gbee:

justinh: best to go back to the default themes to find additions which never made it to the other themes

[22:36:03]

justinh:

well bugger me!!

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justinh:

gbee: I was looking in defaultosd

[22:36:25]

Yahooadam:

justinh – did you make the project gotham theme?

[22:36:30]

justinh:

gotham?

[22:36:40]

justinh:

gheyhem maybe

[22:37:05]

justinh:

Project Sick of Bloody Looking At It-wide and non-wide

[22:37:07]

hashbang:

justinh: anyway, nice work, dude

[22:37:19]

Yahooadam:

whats wrong with projectgotham

[22:37:24]

Yahooadam:

its the nicest one ive seen ...

[22:37:30]

justinh:

Yahooadam: it's not projectgotham

[22:37:32]

iamlindoro_:

Besides it not existing?

[22:37:33]

iamlindoro_:

haha

[22:37:38]

Yahooadam:

shh

[22:37:43]

rhpot1991:

I think I might have found something, seems mythflix isn't passing a movie ID to netflix.pl

[22:37:44]

Yahooadam:

im sure that was its name ...

[22:37:44]

rhpot1991:

2007-11–14 17:36:15.086 Move To Top: Executing '/usr/share/mythtv/mythflix/scripts/netflix.pl -1'

[22:37:52]

justinh:

do you want me to delete the fecking site?

[22:37:56]

justinh:

DO YOU?

[22:38:03]

iamlindoro_:

Only if it came for X-box

[22:38:16]

iamlindoro_:

and was called "Project Gotham Racing"

[22:38:17]

Yahooadam:

it doesnt work anyway juski – i mean justin

[22:38:18]

iamlindoro_:

;)

[22:38:27]

justinh:

I'm joking btw. it's not getting deleted you troll. I paid good money for it

[22:38:57]

Yahooadam:

although i think thats cos u changed the URL when u changed your name

[22:39:11]

justinh:

and my frontend isn't costing me anything cos donations have paid for it :) So THANKYOU kind people!

[22:40:04]

Yahooadam:

now you just need a big screen TV :)

[22:40:09]

justinh:

I don't

[22:40:25]

justinh:

I don't want my SDTV to look like crap on a bed of sick

[22:40:42]

Yahooadam:

wheres your site at these days justin?

[22:40:50]

justinh:

google knows

[22:41:25]

justinh:

hashbang: osd.xml has that many lines? I really don't enjoy theming the OSD

[22:41:27]

Yahooadam:

yeah cos typing in justinh gets you there right away ...

[22:41:44]

justinh:

mythtv themes dot co dot uk

[22:42:01]

Yahooadam:

and project grayhem

[22:42:04]

Yahooadam:

close enough ;)

[22:42:17]

justinh:

the home of third party mythtv gui themes. thought that was a safe tagline since I've been so prolific

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Yahooadam:

i cant remember, i havent used a mythtv frontend for a month and havent looked at your site for like 5 months

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justinh:

now er.. nine to my name, ten if you include the OSD theme built into glass-wide

[22:43:45]

Yahooadam:

so anyway, whats wrong with project grayhem justinh?

[22:43:47]

justinh:

13 by the end of the year

[22:43:52]

justinh:

Yahooadam: it sucks

[22:44:13]

Yahooadam:

anything to add to that? :p

[22:44:24]

justinh:

it _really_ sucks?

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mzb_d800:

oh dear ... need the tv on to see an image ! ... more coffee

[22:44:49]

GTswagger:

xris — transcoding worked!!

[22:44:51]

GTswagger:

xris++

[22:45:23]

Yahooadam:

its pretty plain and not too bright

[22:45:26]

Yahooadam:

suits me ;)

[22:45:44]

justinh:

plain, says it all :)

[22:45:45]

Yahooadam:

beats GANT, but im not sure thats a compliment

[22:45:55]

justinh:

others would disagree

[22:46:05]

justinh:

no accounting for taste, for anything anywhere

[22:46:23]

justinh:

if we all liked the same thing we'd be happy with MCE :P

[22:46:48]

Yahooadam:

i like the MCE theme

[22:46:53]

Yahooadam:

i just dont like MCE

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Yahooadam:

the main thing i miss is the fact you can move around MCE while music/video is playing

[22:48:01]

justinh:

well anyway, next themes are a secret project, then my next one from 'me' will be unredistributable

[22:48:23]

justinh:

Yahooadam: yeah I love how it really slows the menus down when you do that :P

[22:48:34]

Yahooadam:

allways worked fine for me :s

[22:48:45]

justinh:

I thought the system was slow but it was running a dual core 2Ghz CPU

[22:48:56]

Yahooadam:

mine was on a 1800+ AthlonXP

[22:49:08]

Yahooadam:

and it worked fine moving around with music/video playing ....

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justinh:

yeah well that's just the straw that broke the camel's back, MS Fanboy

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Yahooadam:

lol

[22:49:32]

Yahooadam:

ragequit

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justinh:

can't believe I actually almost banned an IP from my website :P

[22:52:59]

iamlindoro_:

Right. Why ban one IP when you can ban the whole school instead?

[22:53:02]

justinh:

anyway if you want mythtv to play media when it does other stuff it's simple – just rewrite the frontend completely

[22:53:07]

iamlindoro_:

Much more effective that way

[22:54:09]

BULLE:

i realy see the great benefit in terms of useability when it comes to have a tiny window with video playing, while navigating the menus

[22:54:12]

BULLE:

NOT!

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Yahooadam:

well i dont care much about the video

[22:54:28]

Yahooadam:

but it would be nice for music to keep playing

[22:54:44]

iamlindoro_:

So write a MPD plugin

[22:54:54]

iamlindoro_:

shouldn't be too painful

[22:56:02]

Yahooadam:

what sql client does the mythfrontend use?

[22:56:08]

BULLE:

something i would think would actualy increase useability is to somehow manage to merge mythtv with mythvideo, so you can access all video recordings via one screen

[22:56:20]

BULLE:

Yahooadam: i bet it just uses mysqls client ? but i havent checked

[22:56:41]

Yahooadam:

hmm

[22:56:55]

BULLE:

i mean, why would it use something different, when it relies on mysql databases ?

[22:57:06]

iamlindoro_:

Or take this and work it into what you want: http://www.mackers.com/projects/mythmpd/

[22:57:09]

Yahooadam:

its not actually limited to mysql is it?

[22:57:23]

Yahooadam:

not that anything else is actually supported currently

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: dunno what you mean with limited, you cant use anything else but mysql right now

[22:57:50]

BULLE:

Yahooadam: i dont know how much mysql specific sql myth realy uses

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GreyFoxx:

BULLE: personally I hope that never happens

[22:58:26]

GreyFoxx:

unless a videolist screen is still available

[22:58:30]

Yahooadam:

there are options to use other databases in Mythtv, but only mysql is currently supported

[22:58:32]

** BenB tries to get the SkyStar HD (DVB-S2) to work at least as DVB-S **

[22:58:41]

GreyFoxx:

I thin it should merge into the main app though

[22:59:20]

BenB:

it's extremely hrd to find out *why* something fails in mythtv

[22:59:46]

Yahooadam:

depends whats failing

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BenB:

eevn if it's something as simple as no disk space, you only see in the logs

[23:00:35]

Yahooadam:

mythweb ftw :)

[23:00:50]

Yahooadam:

umm, seriously though

[23:00:51]

BenB:

my current problem is that tuning apparently fails. I at least i think so, but it just says 'the channel should have appeared by now, but did not'. no error in the logs at all

[23:01:08]

Yahooadam:

have you tried capturing video with another program?

[23:01:31]

BenB:

Yahooadam: if I have to do that, mythtv failed to help :)

[23:01:41]

BenB:

but yes, it works even for DVB-S2

[23:01:45]

Yahooadam:

mythtv is just the software that ties it together

[23:01:50]

BenB:

(haven't tried normaly DVB-S)

[23:02:01]

Yahooadam:

its not a full fledged get your box configured from scratch program

[23:02:34]

BenB:

well, I don't think a "tuning failed, because...." message is too much to ask

[23:02:53]

janneg:

BenB: run the backend with -v record,channel,siparser

[23:03:44]

Yahooadam:

its much easier to get information out of mythtv then Windows MCE

[23:04:02]

Yahooadam:

on the other hand MCE has fewer problems, but the point remains valid

[23:04:20]

GreyFoxx:

janneg: Any plans on a multirec sync with trunk anytime soon ?

[23:05:54]

janneg:

BenB: together with the tuning display the "failed to lock" pop-up is as specific as it gets. The information is not very user friendly displayed

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: as soon as I commit the new autoexpirer to trunk

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janneg:

BenB: are you sure that the multiproto driver works backward compatible for the stb899?

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justinh:

Yahooadam: you should talk to my workmates then. they're always moaning about MCE missing recordings because it thought it already had them, and recording duplicates many, _many_ times. for me mythtv's greatest strengths are its stability & reliability and its scheduler

[23:08:26]

Yahooadam:

i agree with that justinh

[23:08:36]

justinh:

sure my backend's uptime isn't the greatest but it's never had to be down because of a linux/mythtv problem

[23:08:42]

BenB:

em, cannot second that.

[23:08:43]

Yahooadam:

but thats not exactly an error .... (well in my eyes)

[23:09:22]

justinh:

Yahooadam: I set something to be recorded, I expect it to be recorded by the rules I set. it's that simple

[23:09:25]

Yahooadam:

not so sure about the scheduler in mythtv (not exactly sure what it refers to) but i agree with all the other points

[23:09:55]

Yahooadam:

windows has the "event viewer" to find logs of what went wrong

[23:10:02]

BenB:

I don't know about Windows MCE, but mythtv silently fails when anything is wrong: no disk space, no tuning, no EPG data. no error message at the problem, the recordings just fail. plus, the frontend crashes for me all the time. same on several distros, machines, DVB-T vs. -S, even for my parents so it's definitely not me.

[23:10:08]

Yahooadam:

but they often just give some error code which means you have to goto MS to get any help

[23:10:25]

GreyFoxx:

janneg: Cool. I've got several videos what cause a mmx routine in libavcodec to sigsegv

[23:10:34]

BenB:

the scheduler is alright

[23:10:44]

GreyFoxx:

But, it does NOT crash every single time

[23:10:46]

Yahooadam:

BenB – the problem with Disk space, is that its a backend issue

[23:10:51]

GreyFoxx:

just most of the time

[23:11:00]

justinh:

running out of space is a user issue IMHO

[23:11:01]

Yahooadam:

how do you tell the user that theres no disk space when there may not even be a user on at the time

[23:11:22]

BenB:

GreyFoxx: heh, for me, the frontend crashes reproducabily every time I open the second video.

[23:11:29]

justinh:

if you don't let anything expire, ever – you're bound to run out of space

[23:11:54]

Yahooadam:

"Backend Status" is surprisingly useful ...

[23:11:59]

justinh:

and file squirrels get all they deserve. way I look at TV is that it's all completely disposable

[23:12:08]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: that are the videos with a resolution not divideable by 16?

[23:12:12]

BenB:

justinh: *nothing* is a user issue. if mythtv is out of disk space, *tell* me. and don't crash / misbehave.

[23:12:17]

janneg:

BenB: bt

[23:12:22]

BenB:

bt?

[23:12:23]

GreyFoxx:

the crashes for me are all mpeg4 video, non 16 byte

[23:12:37]

janneg:

backtrace

[23:12:44]

Yahooadam:

BenB, the problem is, that error occurs on the backend, and your on the frontend, _How_ do you tell the user theres an error

[23:13:19]

GreyFoxx:

janneg: NP, I'll go up a full log, backtrace and copy of the video

[23:13:31]

GreyFoxx:

Iv'e got several that do it, but one I've beenb using for testing

[23:13:34]

BenB:

Yahooadam: I understand that. mythfrontend could tell me the next time I start it.

[23:13:45]

Yahooadam:

Also, i left my backend on for 4 days with 0MB free space, and it didnt misbehave atall, ofcourse it didnt record anything either

[23:13:52]

justinh:

so someone set to & write a notifier widget which'll tell the user about important events in the menus

[23:14:17]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: the backtrace comment wasn't for you

[23:14:35]

GreyFoxx:

oh

[23:14:39]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Yahooadam:

probably a good idea justinh

[23:15:09]

Yahooadam:

thats sort of what the backend status is for ....

[23:15:10]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: so you have hopes that the ffmpeg sync fixes it?

[23:15:17]

GreyFoxx:

I've been poking at this for a bit now. All I've found is that if the codec->flags are 0 then draw_edges_mmx gets called and usually segfaults

[23:15:38]

GreyFoxx:

if I force it to be non zero it skips draw_edges and plays just fine

[23:16:12]

GreyFoxx:

but I don't know enough about mmx asm to even guess what's wrong other than something is trying to draw outside of the allocated space

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[23:18:01]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: is it decoded by nuppeldecoder? you could try to use the avformatdecoder. I hope that you just have to rename it to .mpg

[23:18:17]

GreyFoxx:

it's going through avformatdecoder

[23:18:39]

GreyFoxx:

It's an mpeg4 avi file, ac3 (I think) audio

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GreyFoxx:

Rip of one of my dvd's

[23:19:13]

GreyFoxx:

I've got a couple that segfault, some of them I've played a dozen times over the last year

[23:19:26]

GreyFoxx:

but in the last 3 months all of them have started segfaulting most of the itme

[23:21:10]

GreyFoxx:

It's one of my daughters favourite movies, so It's seen a lot of playback time :)

[23:21:21]

janneg:

ah, I thought it was a framegrabber recording or transcoded

[23:21:30]

BenB:

janneg: the SkyStar HD not tuning could indeed be the multiproto branch driver. szap2 with explicit -t 0 (DVB-S) works, but szap doesn't lock

[23:21:30]

GreyFoxx:

nah

[23:21:33]

justinh:

mtd etc is one of those things I've just never seen fit to play with

[23:21:57]

justinh:

maybe when my backend is all cored-up

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BenB:

janneg: I heard you are working on DVB-S2 patches?

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janneg:

BenB: no and I won't start before it is pulled to main v4l-dvb hg

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: if you have any idea's I'm more than happy to try them. I've spent several bhours on it and so far nothing. http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/bug/backtrace.txt

[23:28:55]

GreyFoxx:

of course most of that was learning how the code worked from TV() and down to draw_Edges

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Yahooadam:

crikey

[23:32:39]

Yahooadam:

whoever wrote the MS Office Word->HTML converter needs to be shot

[23:32:53]

BenB:

which one of the 200

[23:33:01]

Yahooadam:

the whole lot

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BenB:

oh, you mean the "save as html" in word itself? yes, agreed!

[23:34:56]

directhex:

Yahooadam, it's infinitely worse in office 2007, somehow

[23:35:08]

BenB:

more features.

[23:35:12]

directhex:

as it's largely like office 2007's xml format, which is arse-over-apex for representing things like marked up text

[23:35:27]

BenB:

they must be reflected 1:1 pixel by pixel in HTML, of course

[23:35:35]

directhex:

word 2007's xml format is designed for xml representations of databases

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: do you know what the w=16 argument to draw_edges_mmx means?

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Yahooadam:

this is aweful

[23:38:33]

Yahooadam:

i had a table in my word document

[23:38:34]

Yahooadam:

ugh

[23:38:52]

techjim:

http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A4842001# you guys think this VIA c7 chipset/mobo could handle SD tv well frontend and backend?

[23:38:56]

BenB:

Yahooadam: oh, *you* are exporting? use some open-source tools

[23:39:16]

BenB:

don't ask me which one is good for -> HTML

[23:39:28]

Yahooadam:

meh ive already re-done 1/2 of it

[23:39:37]

Yahooadam:

at this rate i should have just done it myself, live and learn

[23:39:39]

BenB:

I'd probably try opening in kWord or so and save as HTMl there

[23:39:45]

GreyFoxx:

janneg: called from MPV_frame_end in h263dec.c. IT's a define EDGE_WIDTH. It's actually defined in libs/libavcodec/mpegvideo.h

[23:39:54]

gbee:

janneg: draw the edges of width 'w' of an image of size width, height

[23:40:08]

GreyFoxx:

so the first call is EDGE_WIDTH, the next 2 calls are EDGE_WITH./2

[23:40:11]

gbee:

that should be in quotes, since I took it directly from the source

[23:40:11]

Toxicity999:

How much of a pain would VGA from the Myth unit to Svideo via adapter to TV be? I mean I wouldn't be using the Video Card Side Tv encoder, so what could be done there? I have an older nvidia with horrible TV encoding over svideo.

[23:40:37]

BenB:

Yahooadam: Word is a genuinely bad editor for anything that may end up not being printed but shared on the net via mail or web

[23:40:43]

gbee:

only w==8 and w==16 are supported

[23:41:05]

justinh:

Toxicity999: updating your VGA card to a FX5200 would prolly be cheaper and less bulky/hassle on the outside

[23:41:35]

gbee:

I'll leave it to GreyFoxx since I figure he's got a much better understanding of the issues than I do ;)

[23:41:40]

Toxicity999:

Probably.

[23:41:50]

Toxicity999:

It's REALLY quite horrid, just a spare old nvidia, MX 420 ;P

[23:42:06]

GreyFoxx:

If anything I've traced all the way through it now

[23:42:09]

Toxicity999:

studders on OpenGL OSD drawing.

[23:42:38]

justinh:

Toxicity999: unless you can get an adapter for less tha a card would cost, and be safe in the knowledge it remembers its last settings..

[23:42:48]

BenB:

Toxicity999: yeah, well... :) I second justinh, just buy a new card. or TFT :)

[23:43:01]

Toxicity999:

The proc bottlenecks a ton as well, it's just an old assed heap of silicon thrown to a semi-functioning frontend unit.

[23:43:20]

Toxicity999:

when I get my new Desktop hardware this fairly nice for a mythfrontend hardware will go in that anyway.

[23:43:36]

Toxicity999:

Excluding the graphics card I have now, so a cheap old 5 series would be almost nothing for it as well.

[23:43:43]

GreyFoxx:

man this sucks, someone has a card up for sale on fleabay I want for a buy it now of $8USD, but wont ship to Canada *Sigh*

[23:43:43]

janneg:

gbee, GreyFoxx: so it may tried to draw a 16 pixel edge although only 8 bits are left

[23:43:59]

Yahooadam:

BenB – yeah i seem to have worked it out the hard way

[23:44:04]

Toxicity999:

GreyFoxx Oh yea.... Link? =]

[23:44:11]

Toxicity999:

Lol.

[23:44:16]

GreyFoxx:

sure, makes sense trying to draw past ot's allowcates space

[23:44:30]

GreyFoxx:

Toxicity999: It's just a specific MX440 from a specific card maker

[23:44:47]

Toxicity999:

ah, still totally trumps mine anyway.

[23:44:53]

GreyFoxx:

I'm looking to replace one in my grandparents machine

[23:45:22]

Toxicity999:

why not just score a new intel mobo with integrated that will keep them going for a long time?

[23:45:37]

Toxicity999:

a bit more expensive, depending, but might be easier long term.

[23:45:53]

GreyFoxx:

$8-$20 is a better option

[23:46:04]

GreyFoxx:

and 1 less motherboard I would then have to find a home for

[23:46:08]

Toxicity999:

Yea, true, lol.

[23:46:27]

GreyFoxx:

plus it's identical to what they have been using for years now

[23:46:33]

BenB:

GreyFoxx: if you want *that* item, can't you bribe the seller with offering a high shipping fee?

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GreyFoxx:

BenB: I emailed, and said I expect there would be a higher fee, no response yet

[23:47:04]

GreyFoxx:

and it's over in like 5 hours *sigh*

[23:47:04]

Toxicity999:

Man... Can you believe I have a myth box with a 733MHx proc and an MX420? And it almost kind of sort of works smoothly.

[23:47:26]

Toxicity999:

GreyFoxx why not bid, and if he says no have it bounced through a friend or something.

[23:47:40]

Toxicity999:

or is it only to the address of the buyers paypal like some?

[23:47:45]

GreyFoxx:

Toxicity999: I've got 4 frontends with 733mhz celerons, 128meg, and Intel gpu

[23:47:54]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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Toxicity999:

GreyFoxx do yours seem to studder as well or do you think that's more GPU bottlenecking? I was running top to monitor it, it was spiking pretty high... but didn't look maxed out.

[23:48:36]

bsdfox:

GreyFoxx: what distro do you run

[23:49:02]

GreyFoxx:

Toxicity999: All run perfectly smoothly (with SDTV stuff of course). Mpeg2 and mpeg4 content

[23:49:08]

GreyFoxx:

bsdfox: Slackware

[23:49:11]

Toxicity999:

Hmm

[23:49:25]

Toxicity999:

must be GPU bnecking for my build then, has to be.

[23:49:32]

GreyFoxx:

nfsrooted, so no local hd or anything

[23:49:38]

Toxicity999:

It can't even handle opengl Vsyncing

[23:50:28]

bsdfox:

my slowest frontend is a celeron 800/512/mx440 w/ gentoo and it's a little sluggish in the menus

[23:50:53]

justinh:

heh my celeron 733 frontend with only 128MB is quite nippy with the right theme

[23:51:11]

BenB:

what a chore to recieve an encrypted HD channel

[23:51:15]

Toxicity999:

the OSD in general makes hte video studder like mad.

[23:51:18]

Toxicity999:

well

[23:51:20]

Toxicity999:

more so the audio

[23:51:53]

mzb_d800:

Toxicity999: got realtime priority and xvmc working properly?

[23:51:55]

BenB:

I'm paying money for it and can't receive it, because the multiproto stuff has not landed and almost no tools support it.

[23:52:29]

Toxicity999:

mzb_d800 xvmc seems to make mythvideo hardlock the unit, but works nicely in Live playback.

[23:52:36]

BenB:

(yes, I'm already working on it, or rather trying)

[23:52:43]

Toxicity999:

And realtime priority, yes.

[23:52:46]

BenB:

(it = hacking)

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janneg:

BenB: use DVB-C

[23:53:11]

BULLE:

GreyFoxx: in regards to joining mythvideo with mythfrontend, solution to your objection is simple, just allow filters to be used, and have a filter that filters out any recordins recorded by myth itself, if needed, you can add two menu entries, one with the filter, one without, and call them recordings and videos

[23:53:22]

BenB:

janneg: very funny. no cable here.

[23:53:24]

BULLE:

GreyFoxx: i think the main gain is uniform look and feel

[23:53:38]

BULLE:

GreyFoxx: and less duplicatoin of code

[23:54:11]

Toxicity999:

mzb_d800 any other ideas on that front? I seem to be the only one having issues on these similar builds.

[23:54:12]

janneg:

BenB: but we are not to blame for the DVB-S2 disaster

[23:54:15]

mzb_d800:

Toxicity999: turn off the opengl stuff, and make sure that xvmc is setup like:

[23:54:16]

mchou:

sigh....

[23:54:21]

mchou:

I dont get it

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justinh:

do the same for music, tie in playlisting with a nice UI polish and.. voila! XBMC clone without the suck

[23:54:32]

mzb_d800:

loungetv:~# cat /etc/X11/XvMCConfig

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mzb_d800:

/usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1

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Toxicity999:

Yea, that was done.

[23:54:47]

BenB:

janneg: I don't. (I do blame the linuxtv guys for not having this done for about 1 year)

[23:55:09]

mzb_d800:

realtime priority setup in security/limits ?

[23:55:22]

mzb_d800:

turned opengl stuff off?

[23:55:31]

BenB:

janneg: have you managed to find some documentation on how to use the DVB APIs? particularly tuning and CA, of course?

[23:55:32]

mchou:

anybody else have issues with "rainbow" video, mythtv-frontend-0.20.2–14486, and latest nvidia driver?

[23:55:40]

mchou:

it's driving me batty

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BenB:

janneg: esp. for the CA, I found *nada*

[23:55:52]

justinh:

mchou: plenty people having issues with the latest nvidia driver

[23:56:05]

BenB:

janneg: all I have is the zap code.

[23:56:06]

justinh:

mchou: downgrade to the latest-1 & all will be well, allegedly

[23:56:08]

mchou:

restarting X aint no fun just to watch TV

[23:56:11]

BenB:

(dvb-apps)

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justinh:

mchou: they screwed up Xv big style

[23:56:26]

mchou:

justinh: nvidia or myth you talking about

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Toxicity999:

mzb_d800 yep, realtime initialized properly according to log output, that was all done, and all opengl is off. XvMC works great for LiveTv/recordings, but seems to lock up with mythvideo internal playback

[23:56:31]

justinh:

mchou: nvidia

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mchou:

justinh: thanks

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justinh:

mchou: np

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BenB:

justinh: is there an alternative, if all I ever want is a video player like mythfrontend?

[23:57:03]

janneg:

BenB: ok. no docu except the api document on linuxtv.org. use the vdr source

[23:57:14]

BenB:

gah!

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mzb_d800:

Toxicity999: sounds tricky ... the only further thing I can suggest then is enable (various) logging for the frontend and watch it

[23:57:47]

mzb_d800:

... oh

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BenB:

I looked in there years ago (for the original DVB support), and ran away pretty quickly

[23:57:54]

mzb_d800:

how much memory?

[23:57:55]

BenB:

spaghetti code in C

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justinh:

BenB: maybe the XBMC linux port, but dont hold your breath

[23:58:26]

mzb_d800:

might be a good idea to install gkrellmd to keep an eye on what's happening

[23:58:34]

Toxicity999:

mzb_d800 Eh... working now, must have been the specific video file giving trouble.

[23:58:46]

Toxicity999:

Okay so false alarm lost me speed, heh.

[23:58:50]

mzb_d800:

:)

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justinh:

I'd have said Elisa but they don't have a free (as in OSS or no-cost) solution for mpeg/mp3/etc

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Toxicity999:

XvMC is completely better though

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justinh:

and Elisa's UI sucks

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BenB:

janneg: with "api document on linuxtv.org", you mean http://www.linuxtv.org/docs.php -> http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/linux-dvb-api-1.0.0.pdf ;?

[23:59:18]

BenB:

that's just a printout of the headers, mostly

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Toxicity999:

justinh I like elisa in general, but I won't use it till they have some TV tuner support like they intend, I don't think I would switch though... might be fun for a desktop though, to play with.

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janneg:

BenB: we simply use vdr's ca.*

[23:59:57]

BenB:

janneg: I see – a pity

[23:59:57]

janneg:

BenB: I don't know

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