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| [00:29:01] | Huijari: | omg, mythtv is even more versatile than i thought (especially compared to kaffeine) :) |
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| [00:47:14] | DrakeAnubis: | Hello, is anybody around? |
| [00:48:46] | iamlindoro: | DrakeAnubis, probably easier just to ask your question |
| [00:48:51] | iamlindoro: | Then to try to get a roll call |
| [00:49:36] | DrakeAnubis: | What language is the frontend coded in? |
| [00:49:37] | mediabuntu: | whats a rol call ? |
| [00:49:50] | DrakeAnubis: | a roll call is like taking attendance |
| [00:50:01] | iamlindoro: | yup :) |
| [00:50:09] | GreyFoxx: | DrakeAnubis: Mostly C++, with some C in couple of the libraries |
| [00:50:09] | mediabuntu: | im sorry taking attendance? |
| [00:50:27] | iamlindoro: | mediabuntu, asking to sed who is present |
| [00:50:27] | DrakeAnubis: | taking attendance = measuring who is present |
| [00:50:32] | iamlindoro: | ha |
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| [00:50:49] | Agrajag-: | g'day. this may not be a directly java related question, but i'm not sure yet. i'm trying to use ms visual studio to compile cpp stuff for use with jni. some functions in my file seem to get decorated with some fancy stuff, other don't. the one's that do, i'm getting UnsastifiedLinkError. fancy ones that aren't working look like "?Java_foo_bar@@YGJPAUJNIEnv_@@PAV_jclass@@J@Z", ones that do work look ilke "_Java_foo_baz@8" |
| [00:50:52] | riddlebox: | ughh I guess I better start burning dvds of shows, I am up to 80% full, anyone want to donate a 500gb drive???? |
| [00:51:12] | mediabuntu: | yeh i have too many of those |
| [00:51:27] | GreyFoxx: | Agrajag-: Wrong channel ? :) |
| [00:51:43] | Agrajag-: | err yes |
| [00:51:50] | Agrajag-: | sorry :) |
| [00:51:57] | DrakeAnubis: | Does anybody know how I could get in touch with Isaac other than email? |
| [00:52:20] | GreyFoxx: | Email, the mythtv-dev mailing list, or sometimes in #mythtv |
| [00:52:24] | GreyFoxx: | his Nick is Chutt |
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| [00:52:28] | iamlindoro: | Nah, he got killed in season one |
| [00:52:36] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [00:52:52] | DrakeAnubis: | thanks GreyFoxx |
| [00:52:55] | iamlindoro: | Now the cheerleader runs things around here |
| [00:53:21] | iamlindoro: | And Sark from Alias showed up |
| [00:53:43] | iamlindoro: | And my brain exploded like that absorb-y guy |
| [00:54:05] | iamlindoro: | And all I know is, I really want a Nissan Versa for some reason. |
| [00:54:41] | mediabuntu: | any one seen mr juski :) |
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| [00:55:24] | mediabuntu: | how do i use irc to find out? |
| [00:55:33] | GreyFoxx: | mediabuntu: HE's rarely on this late |
| [00:55:42] | GreyFoxx: | and no longer goes by "juski" :) |
| [00:55:51] | mediabuntu: | really |
| [00:56:04] | mediabuntu: | wtf he up 2 |
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| [00:56:40] | mediabuntu: | i some thing 4 him |
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| [00:57:21] | GreyFoxx: | It's like 3am where he is, so he wont likely be on for a while :) |
| [00:58:01] | mediabuntu: | whats his new nick. |
| [00:59:17] | mediabuntu: | guys i also have an isue with mythv |
| [00:59:30] | GreyFoxx: | mediabuntu: look for justinh later |
| [00:59:39] | mediabuntu: | i seem to be getting pink video most of the time. |
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| [01:00:19] | mediabuntu: | like all the live tv would be in pink colour. with the soud playing fine |
| [01:01:09] | djc__: | thats the new feminism-friendly theme |
| [01:01:20] | djc__: | :P |
| [01:01:23] | iamlindoro: | nvidia driver bug |
| [01:01:30] | iamlindoro: | roll back to 100.14.11 and it will get fixed |
| [01:02:38] | kormoc: | mediabuntu, you know, typing correctly will lower the number of people who want to murder you in your sleep, just for your information |
| [01:03:35] | iamlindoro: | Aww, don't blame him, you know how daddy gets when he drinks. *whisper* Mommy cries all the time... |
| [01:04:50] | mediabuntu: | any one have some thing to say that wil actually help. |
| [01:05:00] | iamlindoro: | mediabuntu, I already told you your answer |
| [01:05:15] | mediabuntu: | ohh im great full |
| [01:05:23] | mediabuntu: | how do i roll back man |
| [01:05:28] | iamlindoro: | Me too. Also great empty. Great all around, really. |
| [01:05:55] | iamlindoro: | Download the driver you want from the nvidia site and find a set of instructions on the ubuntu forums, there are good sets there |
| [01:05:56] | mediabuntu: | greatfull |
| [01:06:31] | iamlindoro: | Search for something like "install latest nvidia drivers .run" |
| [01:06:46] | mediabuntu: | what if i wait for the driver to get updated ? |
| [01:07:00] | iamlindoro: | Then you'll watch a lot of pink, I guess |
| [01:07:22] | djc__: | that could be a good thing, of course |
| [01:07:41] | mediabuntu: | pink is good. i dont have the time to mess about with video card drivers. |
| [01:07:53] | iamlindoro: | ok |
| [01:08:46] | iamlindoro: | video tracks are for unimaginative sots anyway |
| [01:09:37] | djc__: | i just happened across a post about just your problem, mediabuntu |
| [01:09:42] | djc__: | referred to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3691124 |
| [01:10:00] | djc__: | fwiw |
| [01:10:11] | mediabuntu: | no its not that. all i have to do is reboot when it gose pink. and my reboot times are good. |
| [01:10:24] | iamlindoro: | Yup, that's the driver issue all right |
| [01:12:19] | mediabuntu: | its a shame this driver behaves very good with compiz. I haven't had X crash not even once |
| [01:13:37] | mediabuntu: | Did you read this, It seems that reverting back is not any better. I have not had any occurrences of the inital problem but have had some other video issues. It seems that I have gained nothing. Hopefully the new driver will be out soon. |
| [01:13:38] | mediabuntu: | Thanks |
| [01:13:38] | kormoc: | Compiz + Myth = weird crashes usually |
| [01:14:01] | mediabuntu: | its acually very good. its just the pink man |
| [01:14:31] | kormoc: | the point being that you might never get the pink fixed with compiz |
| [01:14:49] | kormoc: | or in other words, try disabling compiz and see if the pink issue still happens |
| [01:15:13] | hadees: | does anyone know a mythfrontend autostarting guide that has a way for you to choose to go the command line? pref on the grub screen since that screen has to be shown anyway |
| [01:15:31] | Tronic: | Is .2 much better than .1 in terms of reliability? |
| [01:15:57] | kormoc: | hadees, not really a easy way to do your request |
| [01:16:22] | mediabuntu: | i read on the forum it makes no difference. but it should work if i remove the nv driver alltogether. |
| [01:16:45] | Tronic: | I used to get lot of crashes with 0.20 and/or .1 (dunno when I upgraded) and then it stopped working entirely. It just doesn't receive transmission on any channel. |
| [01:16:46] | djc__: | hadees, let it boot, then just exit the FE? |
| [01:17:12] | Tronic: | It's been broken for a few months now as I've been waiting for a new release to fix it. |
| [01:17:19] | hadees: | djc__, i would rather be able to choose to boot to the command line then have to exit xwindows |
| [01:17:25] | mediabuntu: | Any way thanks for the help i need some sleep. Gonna watch some pink video before i do |
| [01:17:33] | djc__: | why exit X? leave X running and open a terminal |
| [01:17:45] | hadees: | djc__, or that |
| [01:17:56] | djc__: | why do you need X not running? |
| [01:18:35] | djc__: | wether X starts is controlled by inittab, usually |
| [01:18:39] | hadees: | it isn't that i don't need it running but rather i want what doesn't have to startup not startup |
| [01:18:55] | hadees: | i don't need x to do stuff from the command line |
| [01:19:17] | hadees: | its just a personal preference about how i would like it to work |
| [01:19:36] | djc__: | stuff like working on the box to run myth, or you also using this box for non-myth stuff? |
| [01:19:58] | djc__: | i cant think of any way to choose wether to run X from grub |
| [01:20:04] | iamlindoro: | mediabuntu, falling back fixed the issue for me on two systems, as well as for countless others |
| [01:20:08] | hadees: | djc__, i run some other stuff on it |
| [01:20:24] | djc__: | you could of course always have it _not_ start X, |
| [01:20:30] | djc__: | then when you want X, log in and run init 5 as root |
| [01:20:36] | mediabuntu: | im laxy right now |
| [01:20:47] | mediabuntu: | lazy |
| [01:21:16] | iamlindoro: | But I think I'm tired of wasting energy begging people to fix their boxes after they ask for help then change their minds |
| [01:21:32] | hadees: | djc__, well most of the time i will just be using it as an htpc but if something happens requiring me to use the command line from the box then it is a major problem because that means ssh isn't working or what i need to do can't be done with ssh |
| [01:21:35] | mediabuntu: | any chat bots on irc ? I wana make some friends :P |
| [01:21:51] | djc__: | perhaps set inittab to not run X, but then start something from rc.local that sleeps a while, then checks to see if there is anyone logged in on the console, if so, do nothing, otherwise, issue an init 5 |
| [01:22:02] | kormoc: | hadees, you could have it autostart on a specific user (like user mythtv) and not on other users, and use xdm/gdm/etc to pick which user to run |
| [01:22:15] | djc__: | kormoc, he wants to avoid starting X, for some reason |
| [01:22:20] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [01:22:31] | hadees: | kormoc, i thought about that but that adds an extra screen, thats why i would pref doing the selection with grub |
| [01:22:35] | Aval0n: | anyone have any idea what would make cursors in the mythtv internal dvd player not line up with the selections? |
| [01:22:39] | kormoc: | mediabuntu, I still say, typing correctly will go a long way... |
| [01:22:42] | djc__: | im wondering how long X is taking to start that it makes a difference |
| [01:22:50] | Aval0n: | it's especially horrible when it's doing fill color on the letters |
| [01:22:56] | mediabuntu: | But i do. |
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| [01:23:47] | mediabuntu: | Don't I? |
| [01:24:36] | mediabuntu: | I mean really. Kormoc. |
| [01:25:08] | kormoc: | mediabuntu, not really. You make lots of typos, and your grammar is rather sad at times |
| [01:25:10] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [01:25:41] | Aval0n: | =/ |
| [01:25:50] | mediabuntu: | God i eat too much sugar. And cant slow down to type. I'm hyper. |
| [01:26:07] | Aval0n: | you know... |
| [01:26:33] | Aval0n: | after typing on irc for 13 years, caring about the formalities kinda slips away after a while |
| [01:26:38] | djc__: | Yay! my compile is done |
| [01:26:48] | Aval0n: | all I care about is communication my words. |
| [01:26:52] | Aval0n: | <shrug> |
| [01:26:56] | mediabuntu: | I'm eating Werther's Original as i type :( |
| [01:26:58] | Aval0n: | communicating :) |
| [01:27:43] | Aval0n: | I don't wanna have to feel like I'm worried about my english teacher grading my academic spelling level |
| [01:27:47] | Aval0n: | ;) |
| [01:27:54] | Aval0n: | or grammar |
| [01:28:04] | kormoc: | Aval0n, I'm around 11 years myself. I don't mind a lot, but there's just some level that really bugs me. |
| [01:28:21] | mediabuntu: | Yeh i will start working on that too. |
| [01:28:35] | Aval0n: | I hear ya, and I'm not even griping at you.. just expressing my opinion. |
| [01:28:46] | mediabuntu: | y cant i jst tlk lk this |
| [01:28:55] | Aval0n: | haha |
| [01:29:02] | Aval0n: | cause no one will help you :) |
| [01:29:13] | mediabuntu: | I see. |
| [01:29:15] | Aval0n: | haha |
| [01:29:26] | mediabuntu: | Very sad world. |
| [01:29:44] | Aval0n: | it's all about the type of channel you're in |
| [01:30:05] | djc__: | u cn tup lk tht n th myspace chnl |
| [01:30:23] | Aval0n: | chans like this one, highly technical in nature, catering to an app that you can't just pick up off the shelf and install with an msi, you are going to run into a much more critical audience. |
| [01:30:36] | djc__: | assuming there is one, or that anyone that uses myspace would even be aware of the existence of irc |
| [01:31:00] | djc__: | msi? |
| [01:31:07] | djc__: | I have an MSI mainboard |
| [01:31:09] | mediabuntu: | I dont tlk like this on myspce or msn thou |
| [01:31:10] | Aval0n: | microsoft installer |
| [01:31:13] | Aval0n: | .msi |
| [01:31:27] | djc__: | Ah.. shows you how often I look at a MS-based system |
| [01:31:31] | Aval0n: | haha |
| [01:31:38] | Aval0n: | I'm forced to at work |
| [01:31:41] | djc__: | Eg "never" |
| [01:31:43] | Aval0n: | all our servers are 2003 server |
| [01:31:45] | mediabuntu: | Do you know whats IE ? |
| [01:31:46] | djc__: | or damn near, anyway |
| [01:31:50] | Aval0n: | cept for the firewall boxes. |
| [01:31:52] | djc__: | Internet Exploder |
| [01:31:57] | mediabuntu: | no |
| [01:32:13] | Aval0n: | i.e., in example abbreviation? |
| [01:32:21] | mediabuntu: | Actually yeh it is. |
| [01:32:24] | djc__: | ah, ok |
| [01:32:45] | djc__: | so? |
| [01:33:17] | Aval0n: | actually what I said is wrong |
| [01:33:27] | Aval0n: | that's the common misconception. |
| [01:33:38] | Aval0n: | i.e. stands for id est |
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| [01:33:55] | Aval0n: | Latin for "in other words" |
| [01:33:59] | kormoc: | id est |
| [01:34:09] | Aval0n: | E.g. means "for example" |
| [01:34:16] | kormoc: | I thought there was a "That is" in there as well |
| [01:34:26] | Aval0n: | exempli gratia |
| [01:34:34] | Aval0n: | it/that is |
| [01:34:38] | iamlindoro: | quod erat demonstratum. ;) |
| [01:34:58] | Aval0n: | qui veneit en nomini domini |
| [01:35:16] | Aval0n: | hehe |
| [01:36:09] | mediabuntu: | I thou i.e means Example. :-$ |
| [01:36:30] | Aval0n: | ergo, visa vi, concordantly |
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| [01:36:48] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [01:36:53] | kormoc: | It does, but it first started as the abbreviation of "Id est" |
| [01:37:03] | Aval0n: | you're have to me a matrix fanboi to grasp my joke. |
| [01:37:26] | mediabuntu: | Lack of standards. |
| [01:38:05] | Aval0n: | the reason it's mistaken for in example, is people use that phrase "in example" when they talk. So when they see i.e., and it fits, they assume it's an abbrevation.. |
| [01:38:41] | mediabuntu: | I like matrix . I got the reloaded on DVD. |
| [01:39:05] | Aval0n: | typically people that speak the i.e., phrase are the people that are reading the self help books on expanding vocabulary, and how to influence people via language. |
| [01:39:06] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [01:39:29] | Aval0n: | or I guess in the more rare case, more educated people in the realm of English language. |
| [01:39:58] | Aval0n: | why the hell am I even talking about this.. |
| [01:39:58] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [01:40:02] | Aval0n: | bbiab guys |
| [01:40:29] | djc__: | Matrix rocks |
| [01:40:39] | mediabuntu: | yeh man. |
| [01:40:50] | djc__: | I checked out all 3 from the library and made a one-disc compilation of them |
| [01:41:00] | djc__: | Do not try and bend the spoon! |
| [01:41:15] | Aval0n: | you know, I am a matrix fan. Matrix 1 is my favorite movie of all time |
| [01:41:22] | mediabuntu: | !"The meaning of life is to End" |
| [01:41:22] | Aval0n: | but they kind of screwed up 2 |
| [01:41:26] | djc__: | I mention that to people at work once in a while and they look at me strangely.. |
| [01:41:29] | Aval0n: | and 3 was a weak attempt tp make up for it |
| [01:41:33] | Aval0n: | to* |
| [01:41:37] | djc__: | Ive explained it a few times |
| [01:41:47] | djc__: | 2 and 3 were really one movie in two parts |
| [01:41:53] | Aval0n: | I know this |
| [01:41:54] | djc__: | They were even made simultaneously |
| [01:42:00] | Aval0n: | I know they were |
| [01:42:06] | djc__: | I happen to like all 3 |
| [01:42:15] | Aval0n: | but they killed the original feel of the matrix when Andy started on the estragen. |
| [01:42:25] | Aval0n: | Larry I mean |
| [01:42:33] | mediabuntu: | I like this part........... |
| [01:42:33] | Aval0n: | Andy is still a male to this date. :) |
| [01:42:54] | Aval0n: | they took it all philosophical with 2 and 3 |
| [01:43:51] | Aval0n: | they made matrix 1 end the way it did incase it bombed, so it could have closure if they decided not to make more. |
| [01:44:22] | Aval0n: | when they realized what a money pit they had, they rushed out 2 and 3 as fast as they could. |
| [01:44:35] | Aval0n: | imo they lost the feel of matrix one |
| [01:44:39] | mediabuntu: | Why, Mr. Anderson? why do you do it? Why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe your fighting for something? For more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know? Is it freedom? Or truth? Perhaps peace? Yes? No? Could it be for love? Illusions, Mr. Anderson. Vararies of perception. The temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meanin |
| [01:44:42] | Aval0n: | they played down morpheus |
| [01:44:44] | mediabuntu: | lol :) |
| [01:44:45] | Aval0n: | made him into a hack |
| [01:45:24] | mediabuntu: | I love that part :) |
| [01:45:48] | djc__: | I like when he does the purpose speech |
| [01:46:09] | djc__: | and then his clones each say part of it |
| [01:46:29] | djc__: | I had it memorized once.. Cant remember how it starts now |
| [01:46:52] | mediabuntu: | i don't remember it too |
| [01:48:39] | djc__: | http://imdb.com/title/tt0234215/quotes |
| [01:49:43] | mediabuntu: | ahhahaah Me too. |
| [01:50:55] | djc__: | And 'Good Point' |
| [01:50:56] | mediabuntu: | good movie that mate |
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| [01:52:56] | djc__: | wow |
| [01:53:14] | djc__: | quite filthy, that Merovingian |
| [01:53:24] | djc__: | I just translated his French with babelfish |
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| [01:55:26] | mediabuntu: | what? |
| [01:55:29] | djc__: | I killed you, Mr Anderson, I watched you die |
| [01:55:39] | djc__: | When he curses in french |
| [01:55:50] | djc__: | love French wine, like I the French language. I have sampled every language, French is my favorite. Fantastic language. Especially to curse with. Nom de dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard d'enculé de ta mère. It's like wiping your arse with silk. I love it. |
| [01:57:26] | mediabuntu: | lol |
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| [01:59:11] | black_Nightmare_: | hey again |
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| [02:06:18] | black_Nightmare_: | hm quiet night now I guess |
| [02:08:03] | mediabuntu: | Night guys. |
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| [02:16:36] | johndbritton: | djc__: i dont know any french but ive come to love spanish quite a bt |
| [02:16:36] | johndbritton: | bit |
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| [02:37:57] | pestilence: | if you had to pick a distro to run myth from, which one would you pick? |
| [02:37:59] | ** pestilence ducks ** | |
| [02:38:27] | pestilence: | is mythbuntu any good? |
| [02:38:58] | lucidblue: | pestilence: I haven't really run it yet, just playing right now, but it's giving me a weird issue that mythcontrols was compiled against an older version of libmyth |
| [02:39:23] | pestilence: | hrmm. |
| [02:40:30] | lucidblue: | pestilence: probably any distro you're comfortable with aslong as it supports the suggested filesystems |
| [02:41:03] | pestilence: | ok. i like ubuntu a lot, although i'm not so sure about the latest release |
| [02:41:15] | pestilence: | i also would be happy using debian unstable |
| [02:41:33] | pestilence: | just wondering if mythbuntu would make things any easier out of the box |
| [02:43:06] | lucidblue: | hmmm... can't say, but I know mandriva seems pretty easy to setup |
| [02:43:46] | lucidblue: | so I assume regular ubuntu would be, but if there's a preconfigured thing, why not. |
| [02:45:24] | black_Nightmare_: | <<isn't even quite really sure what to settle on but I guess we'll see in the due time (after the hardware upgrade wishes have been done anyway) |
| [02:46:00] | pestilence: | yea, there is a derivative distro called mythbuntu, which installs a "mythbuntu-desktop" package instead of "ubuntu-desktop", which i would hope means that it is setup by default to boot into a PVR-like mode by default |
| [02:46:13] | pestilence: | rather than requiring login, and manual startup of myth |
| [02:48:16] | lucidblue: | yah, I would try that unless it costs money or something |
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| [02:49:00] | pestilence: | it's definitely free :-D |
| [02:49:12] | pestilence: | the only thing that is expensive is my time. |
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| [02:49:39] | pestilence: | don't want to have to install it only to find out there are problems that require a lot of my time to fix |
| [02:50:16] | lucidblue: | but wouldn't anything take your time to 'configure'? |
| [02:50:51] | pestilence: | not all distros are equal when it comes to how much stuff "just works" post-install |
| [02:51:03] | pestilence: | or have reasonable defaults. |
| [02:52:19] | black_Nightmare_: | guess this is why I seem to rather have a preference of older oses with just the exception of bsd so far yet (from ongoing experience here) |
| [02:52:26] | black_Nightmare_: | to our own tho of course I guess |
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| [02:58:38] | black_Nightmare_: | well I'm going off to bed so bye now |
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| [03:20:25] | JDStone: | is anyone else getting: HTTPRequest::ParseRequest – Timeout reading first line of request. |
| [03:20:32] | JDStone: | in their MythTv logs |
| [03:20:53] | JDStone: | all the myth programs seg fault. Can someone please help me? |
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| [03:27:27] | Tronic: | Channel scanning works fine, but when I try to watch TV, I get no lock, even though signal level shows 100 %. The .mpg file created by the server is 0-sized. |
| [03:28:14] | JDStone: | Tronic: what kind of tuner? |
| [03:28:20] | Tronic: | I tried starting with a fresh install (drop database, remove all data files), but it didn't fix the problem. |
| [03:28:23] | Tronic: | DVB |
| [03:28:30] | JDStone: | oh, sorry, no experience there |
| [03:28:36] | JDStone: | maybe someone else can help you |
| [03:28:47] | JDStone: | I've got my own problems with myth |
| [03:29:17] | Tronic: | Yeah, there are plenty. |
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| [03:30:17] | JDStone: | well, it was working fine the other day |
| [03:30:22] | johndbritton: | anyone know of an easy way to run a commflagging job on all my recordings, ive got autocommflag for new recordings but i have a couple hundred of old recordings taht i want to commflag |
| [03:30:40] | iamlindoro: | johndbritton, yes, hold on |
| [03:30:47] | Tronic: | Mine hasn't worked for a few months. |
| [03:30:48] | johndbritton: | holds on |
| [03:30:53] | JDStone: | all the mythtv related programs seg fault when I try and run them |
| [03:30:59] | JDStone: | any ideas? |
| [03:31:03] | iamlindoro: | mythcommflag --all |
| [03:31:14] | johndbritton: | iamlindoro: thanks! |
| [03:31:17] | iamlindoro: | no problem |
| [03:31:27] | johndbritton: | that will just add the jobs to the queue... wont kill the machine right |
| [03:31:28] | iamlindoro: | JDStone, SVN or a release? |
| [03:31:35] | JDStone: | Ubuntu package |
| [03:31:43] | JDStone: | 0.20.2 |
| [03:31:44] | iamlindoro: | Actually, I believe it will run them all at the command line |
| [03:31:55] | iamlindoro: | and run them serially |
| [03:32:05] | JDStone: | 0.20.2–0ubuntu10 |
| [03:32:10] | johndbritton: | ok that works too |
| [03:32:20] | iamlindoro: | JDStone, it's sort of tough to tell... any particular thing you are doing when it happens? |
| [03:32:29] | johndbritton: | segfault! |
| [03:32:33] | JDStone: | no, I can't even start mythbackend |
| [03:32:45] | JDStone: | I just get segmentation fault |
| [03:32:46] | JDStone: | yes |
| [03:32:51] | johndbritton: | me too! |
| [03:32:53] | JDStone: | yeah |
| [03:33:08] | Tronic: | The backend prints this: http://rafb.net/p/zoTyKm35.html |
| [03:33:08] | JDStone: | I receive segfaults when I run any of the mythtv programs |
| [03:33:13] | johndbritton: | while running the commflagging |
| [03:33:21] | JDStone: | it worked last time I check a couple days ago |
| [03:33:44] | JDStone: | johndbritton: maybe this will help: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/243375 |
| [03:33:58] | johndbritton: | thnaks... reading |
| [03:34:01] | JDStone: | np |
| [03:34:07] | JDStone: | didn't help me :( |
| [03:34:29] | iamlindoro: | Tronic, sort of sounds like your cahnnels/PIDs might have been reordered or renumbered, if I had to guess |
| [03:34:40] | iamlindoro: | I would re-channel scan |
| [03:34:58] | JDStone: | johndbritton: this looks like you're issue: DVB, right? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/298535 |
| [03:35:13] | JDStone: | oops, that was Tronic |
| [03:35:15] | JDStone: | here ya go: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/298535 |
| [03:36:24] | Tronic: | iamlindoro: I just did. |
| [03:36:52] | johndbritton: | what is an acceptable processor temp.. im at 37c = 98.6f |
| [03:36:58] | JDStone: | fuck! X won't start either |
| [03:37:00] | siXy: | johndbritton: what cpu? |
| [03:37:02] | JDStone: | I may have a bigger problem |
| [03:37:08] | iamlindoro: | 37 is ok |
| [03:37:09] | Tronic: | http://rafb.net/p/5L077M97.html <= transports |
| [03:37:10] | siXy: | JDStone: reformat time |
| [03:37:14] | JDStone: | no! |
| [03:37:15] | JDStone: | never! |
| [03:37:21] | johndbritton: | amd 3500+ athlon something like that... i dont know for sure |
| [03:37:27] | johndbritton: | its an athlon 3000 or better |
| [03:37:43] | siXy: | yeah thats fairly normal |
| [03:37:45] | Tronic: | JDStone: Doesn't look like my issue. |
| [03:37:55] | JDStone: | sorry :( |
| [03:37:57] | iamlindoro: | Tronic, are you sure you're QAM_64? Where are you? |
| [03:38:11] | johndbritton: | this issue has stumped me for a week or so now |
| [03:38:11] | JDStone: | maybe it's problem with a kernel |
| [03:38:17] | Tronic: | In a very special cable network. |
| [03:38:25] | iamlindoro: | Oooooh, sounds excluuuusive |
| [03:38:28] | Tronic: | They also broadcast DVB-T to the cable here. |
| [03:39:01] | iamlindoro: | Well, sounds a bit outside of my depth, but I would try a different modulation |
| [03:39:01] | Tronic: | Oddly enough, the 240 MHz transport seems to be missing from that listing. Or is 239.. supposed to be that? |
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| [03:39:29] | Tronic: | Either way, the channels that I have scanned so far are from that particular transport and its symbol rate should be 7146000. |
| [03:39:53] | Tronic: | It doesn't lock to the transport when scanning if I use something else. |
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| [03:40:02] | iamlindoro: | or, you could scan with dvb-tools and import a channels.conf, because that list of transports looks strange to me |
| [03:40:46] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, I gotta run for a bit, good luck with it |
| [03:45:08] | Tronic: | Woah, now it works. |
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| [03:46:29] | JDStone: | what generally causes seg faults? hardware? |
| [03:46:40] | clever[rev]: | mostly software bugs |
| [03:47:01] | clever[rev]: | but bad ram can corupt the code and create false software bugs that still seg fault |
| [03:47:34] | JDStone: | well, this just started, these issues |
| [03:47:41] | clever[rev]: | a backtrace would be the first place to check |
| [03:47:48] | JDStone: | how do I do that? |
| [03:48:02] | clever[rev]: | it should be explained on the svn.mythtv.net site |
| [03:48:09] | JDStone: | alright, thanks |
| [03:48:13] | clever[rev]: | somewhere under the help page on posting a ticket |
| [03:50:53] | JDStone: | crap, I may have to re-compile mythtv, but i'm using a Ubuntu package.... |
| [03:50:53] | JDStone: | :( |
| [03:52:14] | clever[rev]: | if you skip the recompile youll get less info in the backtrace |
| [03:52:24] | clever[rev]: | and it probly wont be as usefull in fixing it |
| [03:52:48] | clever[rev]: | but if you recompile to svn trunk you may fix it instead and gain new features |
| [03:55:02] | DapOrp2: | is the sasc-ng module forbidden in here? |
| [03:56:33] | JDStone: | clever[rev]: would the ubuntu team eventually fix the issue? |
| [03:56:51] | clever[rev]: | ubuntu doesnt upgrade the packages within the release |
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| [03:56:58] | clever[rev]: | only to fix security flaws |
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| [03:57:03] | JDStone: | oh, good pint |
| [03:57:04] | JDStone: | *point |
| [03:57:15] | JDStone: | then what happened?, this version was working the other day? |
| [03:57:17] | clever[rev]: | so you would have to upgrade to the next release of ubuntu to get any changes |
| [03:57:50] | clever[rev]: | either you applied a security fix that also broke it or it depends on something in your config/time/date/drive.... |
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| [04:00:27] | Beirdo: | Please forgive the bot... it needs a maintenance restart |
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| [04:01:10] | DapOrp2: | well i'm trying to make module for this sasc thing but it keeps crashing out saying it can't figure out what kernel version I have? |
| [04:01:25] | Beirdo: | ummmm |
| [04:01:38] | Beirdo: | sasc is off-topic, and isn't welcome here |
| [04:01:51] | DapOrp2: | ok, that's what I asked earlier and nobody answered. |
| [04:01:52] | DapOrp2: | thank you. |
| [04:01:55] | JDStone: | clever[rev]: I'm seeing libc stuff in my backtrace, and I just did an update a couple days ago that updated libc |
| [04:01:58] | Beirdo: | no problemo |
| [04:02:13] | Beirdo: | I was off rebuilding the bot, didn't notice :) |
| [04:02:21] | clever[rev]: | could just be the way myth is using libc though |
| [04:02:35] | JDStone: | oh, :( |
| [04:02:35] | JDStone: | hmm |
| [04:02:37] | clever[rev]: | like telling it to copy a string at addr 0(null) |
| [04:02:50] | JDStone: | ahh |
| [04:03:01] | Beirdo: | holy notifications, bot! |
| [04:03:05] | JDStone: | looks like someone else is having a similar problem: <_Codeman_> I installed mythtv and a whole bunch of other myth stuff including mythbuntu and now xserver crashes and I can't get gnome back... can anyone help? |
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| [04:06:45] | iamlindoro: | jdstone, your x is dead? |
| [04:06:50] | JDStone: | yeah |
| [04:06:55] | iamlindoro: | try: |
| [04:06:59] | JDStone: | and some other dude is having the same problem |
| [04:07:05] | JDStone: | with Ubuntu Gutsy |
| [04:07:07] | JDStone: | and Myth |
| [04:07:12] | iamlindoro: | sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop gdm xorg |
| [04:07:20] | iamlindoro: | Well, it really has nothing to do with myth |
| [04:07:25] | iamlindoro: | after that, reboot |
| [04:08:59] | JDStone: | well, I don't have ubuntu-desktop or gdm installed |
| [04:09:09] | JDStone: | so I just did xorg |
| [04:09:30] | iamlindoro: | jdstone, you don't have ubuntu-desktop? What DO you have? |
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| [04:09:49] | iamlindoro: | Confirm you're on ubuntu and not on some derivative? |
| [04:09:49] | JDStone: | not ubuntu-desktop |
| [04:09:56] | JDStone: | I'm not running ubuntu desktop |
| [04:10:02] | JDStone: | I installed ubuntu server |
| [04:10:10] | JDStone: | i'm not running KDM or Gnome |
| [04:10:13] | JDStone: | err, KDE |
| [04:10:17] | iamlindoro: | ok, so what are you running as your wm? |
| [04:10:42] | JDStone: | fluxbox |
| [04:11:00] | iamlindoro: | so apt-get install --reinstall fluxbox (or whatever the package is called) |
| [04:11:12] | JDStone: | did that, thanks |
| [04:11:31] | iamlindoro: | But beyond that, if it doesn't work, I can't really help since you're running a non-standard setup |
| [04:11:39] | JDStone: | non-standard? |
| [04:11:47] | JDStone: | thanks for trying though |
| [04:11:48] | JDStone: | :) |
| [04:11:54] | iamlindoro: | well, we don't know if it worked yet |
| [04:12:00] | JDStone: | true |
| [04:12:01] | JDStone: | hold on |
| [04:12:04] | iamlindoro: | so find out |
| [04:12:08] | JDStone: | i'm trying it |
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| [04:17:34] | JDStone: | iamlindoro: it's my nvidia kernel |
| [04:17:44] | JDStone: | X works with driver "nv" |
| [04:17:47] | JDStone: | but not "nvidia" |
| [04:17:59] | iamlindoro: | so apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx-new |
| [04:18:15] | iamlindoro: | may need an apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-new first |
| [04:18:58] | JDStone: | I did that |
| [04:19:20] | JDStone: | I've been hearing a recent updated is causing things to crash |
| [04:19:26] | JDStone: | so I'll just wait it out |
| [04:19:28] | JDStone: | until they fix it |
| [04:19:29] | iamlindoro: | ah well, on your own, then |
| [04:19:33] | JDStone: | yep |
| [04:19:34] | JDStone: | thanks ;) |
| [04:19:37] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [06:18:30] | levander: | How do I turn the volume up in MythTV? |
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| [06:31:30] | poptix: | press ']' |
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| [06:40:29] | JDStone: | turn the little nob on your speakers :P |
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| [07:27:13] | clarkey: | hey a quick question is it bad if I use my master backend while running mythfilldatabase? |
| [07:28:43] | siXy: | if your backend is a p75, yes |
| [07:29:15] | siXy: | mostly should be fine |
| [07:29:17] | clarkey: | sry i dont understand what is a p75? |
| [07:29:33] | siXy: | old cpu |
| [07:29:39] | siXy: | (ish) |
| [07:29:49] | clarkey: | lolok thnx for ur help |
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| [07:30:36] | clarkey: | cause i dont feel like leaving my mythbox on all nite just to get updates, my green conscience you see |
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| [07:37:46] | leprasmurf: | hello all. Is there a way to renice the frontend at boot? |
| [07:38:39] | Andycasss: | Any ideas why my joystickmenurc doesnt work? Ive set the buttons, gave it chmod 777 – nothing |
| [07:38:49] | Andycasss: | running ubuntu 7.10 distro |
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| [07:42:19] | siXy: | leprasmurf: why not just start it with nice -X mythfrontend |
| [07:42:47] | siXy: | alternatively, renice -X $(pgrep mythfrontend) |
| [07:43:10] | leprasmurf: | siXy: can I set it to do so at automatically at boot? |
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| [07:45:43] | siXy: | leprasmurf: sure. how are you starting mythfrontend? |
| [07:46:00] | leprasmurf: | sixy: I'm using knoppmyth, so it's built into the rc.d |
| [07:46:40] | leprasmurf: | I think |
| [07:48:22] | siXy: | leprasmurf: "built in"? you mean its in rc.local? or its started with an initscript? |
| [07:48:55] | leprasmurf: | siXy: sorry, I was looking in the wrong place. I'm not sure how something is started in X (and/or fluxbox) |
| [07:51:34] | siXy: | leprasmurf: i know little about knoppmyth. you could put renice -X $(pgrep mythfrontend) in rc.local, if knoppmyth has an rc.local. without knowing more about how and when its actually started, cant be much more specific |
| [07:52:28] | Andycasss: | My terminal doesnt want to accept the left,right,up,down – it just displays some sort of "^[[A". This only happens to mythtv user, other users are fine. Running Ubuntu 7.10 |
| [07:52:33] | leprasmurf: | siXy: cool, thanks |
| [07:56:04] | siXy: | Andycasss: have you done set -o vi or similar? |
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| [07:56:49] | siXy: | if so try set -o emacs |
| [07:57:09] | siXy: | otherwise see what env | grep TERM says |
| [07:58:56] | Andycasss: | Sixy: Im afraid, i havent.. I have no idea how to do that either :( |
| [07:59:35] | siXy: | ok. run: "env | grep TERM " and see what it says |
| [08:00:02] | siXy: | without the quotes, of course... |
| [08:00:13] | Andycasss: | colorterm=gnome-terminal |
| [08:00:13] | Andycasss: | term=xterm |
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| [08:02:28] | siXy: | env | grep LANG ? |
| [08:03:35] | Andycasss: | GDM_LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| [08:03:35] | Andycasss: | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| [08:09:28] | siXy: | tried quitting and logging in again? |
| [08:10:03] | Andycasss: | yes |
| [08:11:08] | siXy: | strange... |
| [08:11:26] | siXy: | try #ubuntu maybe |
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| [08:25:19] | Andycasss: | Fixed the terminal with chsh command :) I changed it from bin/sh to /bin/bash |
| [08:29:05] | siXy: | Andycasss: you can change the default shell for a user with usermod |
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| [08:29:59] | siXy: | man usermod to find out how. i need to go :) |
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| [08:58:18] | Andycasss: | Any ideas why my joystickmenurc doesnt want to work? Code is here: http://andycas.planet.ee/files/1.txt |
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| [09:19:56] | BenB: | heh "Can't load AMD 64-bit .so on a AMD 64-bit platform" |
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| [09:46:41] | Andycasss: | Any ideas why my joystickmenurc doesnt want to work? Code is here: http://andycas.planet.ee/files/1.txt |
| [09:47:58] | clever: | looks normal to me |
| [09:48:11] | clever: | what errors/problems is it giving? |
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| [09:58:15] | nuonguy: | what happened to atrpms? |
| [09:59:47] | clever: | Andycasss: how are you connecting your joystick? |
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| [10:29:31] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... now I'm confused. I've spent the last couple of days believing that I'd not plugged the audio-out lead correctly ... it turns out that the audio now has headphone & master swapped |
| [10:29:53] | mzb_d800: | my brain isn't working today ... |
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| [10:36:09] | justinh: | heh. way to ruin a CPU you shipped me, ebay seller! wrap it in layers of ordinary polythene. Ahh well. it was the wrong socket type anyway so only served me as a space model :P |
| [10:37:33] | justinh: | did you know, socket 478 cpus can be made to fit a 479 socket simply by cutting off a pin? muhahaha. At least I could use it to make my heatsink sit okay. Lucky it was cheap :) |
| [10:41:25] | mzb_d800: | doh ... and now I'm getting playback with audio that makes voices sound like the chipmunks! ... I need a good sleep I think ;) |
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| [10:43:10] | BULLE: | chipmunks! |
| [10:44:28] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [10:44:42] | mzb_d800: | can't understand why this is all changing all of a sudden |
| [10:45:03] | justinh: | and this a disadvantage how? ;) |
| [10:45:16] | mzb_d800: | mind you .. makes old recordings of the simpsons quite amusing ;) |
| [10:45:26] | mzb_d800: | sanity reboot |
| [10:45:41] | justinh: | rewhat? |
| [10:46:12] | mzb_d800: | yeah, one of those |
| [10:46:34] | mzb_d800: | (my brain hurts) |
| [10:47:10] | clever: | sometimes my sound card would play at the wrong rate |
| [10:47:16] | justinh: | hmmm. I sincerly hope that when I spend some real money on a cpu on ebay it gets shipped in proper materials |
| [10:47:18] | BULLE: | justinh: exactly what i was asking myself =D |
| [10:47:24] | clever: | mostly if 2 progs tried to use it(1 record and 1 play) at diff rates |
| [10:47:43] | mzb_d800: | managed to finish off one of my serial IR receivers today (with pics for blog entry) ... and setup a remote for it ... but wasn't expecting all this other crap ... head(ache) can't deal with it atm |
| [10:47:46] | clever: | i just rearranged my wiring/settings so i record and play with diff cards |
| [10:47:50] | clever: | allready had 2 in the box |
| [10:48:03] | clever: | i dont have any ir receivers |
| [10:48:06] | mzb_d800: | don't have that luxury ... SFF gx150 |
| [10:48:17] | clever: | and when programing the audio button on the remote to act as a second cable box i think i locked it |
| [10:48:30] | clever: | cant to f all with the audio button programing now |
| [10:48:45] | justinh: | "Product will be arrived within 8 – 21 working days".. something tells me they're not really in London |
| [10:48:52] | clever: | i think i copyed the lock cablebox codes thingy which cant be changed on the audio button |
| [10:49:44] | justinh: | spent most of my morning filing the ends off a heatsink. probably got 0.1mm off each side to go, maybe not even that |
| [10:50:04] | clever: | lol |
| [10:51:47] | justinh: | motherboard has a socket 478 mount, but it's a 479 socket, so there's a slight clearance issue – i.e. there's a teeny bit too much |
| [10:52:02] | clever: | get out the power grinder |
| [10:52:04] | clever: | ! |
| [10:52:18] | justinh: | not quite enough to justify fitting a shim, and too much to just slap more compound on it |
| [10:53:06] | justinh: | I could always have modded the mount, but that's not my ideal scenario |
| [10:53:08] | clever: | bigest problems ive had in the cpu area is the fan plug not fitting the motherboard/psu |
| [10:53:25] | clever: | and the fan on my rh9 made alot of noise for several months |
| [10:53:32] | clever: | would speed up then rattle and slow down |
| [10:53:39] | clever: | 3mins latter it would repeat |
| [10:53:59] | justinh: | this machine needs to be as near silent as possible |
| [10:54:42] | clever: | my laptop nearly matches that |
| [10:54:59] | clever: | the cpu fan comes on above certain temps but for just watching tv it runs silently |
| [10:55:00] | justinh: | this will jyst about be a laptop in a box :) |
| [10:55:17] | clever: | and the sound of the playback drowns out the high freq from the cpu |
| [10:55:28] | clever: | but the lcd is also cracked now |
| [10:55:39] | clever: | and the tv out is unstable and has a high brightness |
| [10:56:04] | justinh: | no idea what the tvout is like on this board |
| [10:56:17] | clever: | the ati drivers here suck |
| [10:56:36] | clever: | i have to use the cli tool atitvout to set it to lcd/crt/tv(even works in console mode) |
| [10:56:56] | clever: | and i need to hop on 1 leg while pushing buttons to get it to work in X+tv |
| [10:57:16] | clever: | when i switch to tvout it gives a scrambled signal |
| [10:57:39] | clever: | i hooked a scope up to the video line to try and guess what freq it was using to see if modelines where having any effect |
| [10:57:51] | clever: | and just by chance i changed the res with it in tv mode and it started to work |
| [10:58:10] | justinh: | bet your scope doesn't have any video trigger modes :P |
| [10:58:23] | clever: | its got more buttons then me+dad know how to use:P |
| [10:58:46] | clever: | but i did get a odd curve that seemed to match the slow gradiant of color change in one of the mythtv themes |
| [10:58:46] | justinh: | most scopes do where mortals are concerned |
| [10:59:02] | clever: | i think i was looking at the lum signal |
| [10:59:19] | justinh: | yeah probably |
| [10:59:39] | clever: | this script got it working 90% of the time |
| [10:59:40] | clever: | http://www.pastebin.ca/766985 |
| [11:00:37] | clever: | but even then the image was oddly white washed |
| [11:01:12] | justinh: | pity linux doesn't have a 'poke' command you could stab tv encoder registers with ;) |
| [11:01:26] | clever: | lol |
| [11:01:31] | clever: | what about /dev/io? |
| [11:01:42] | clever: | wait not that |
| [11:01:50] | clever: | i forget what it actualy is but you can do io from userspace |
| [11:02:05] | clever: | and you could easily make a peek/poke driver as a kernel module |
| [11:03:29] | clever: | ive used /dev/mem before to peek at the video/bios rom's |
| [11:04:21] | clever: | not shrue what the userspace way to get at io was |
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| [11:08:16] | mzb_d800: | yay ... working again (finally) [and found some paracetamol;] |
| [11:08:59] | justinh: | wah! I missed a core2 duo t7100 that went for £30 :( |
| [11:09:47] | mzb_d800: | NOW the next plan, seeing as I've got an independent IR receiver working, I can move the DVB tuner to another box and hopefully avoid the buzzing when it's recording (irq issue?) |
| [11:10:18] | mzb_d800: | tomorrow, that is ;) |
| [11:10:38] | justinh: | huh? with dvb all the streams are digickle, so any buzzing you hear won't be in the recording |
| [11:11:11] | mzb_d800: | it's not |
| [11:11:28] | mzb_d800: | but *when* it's recording, there's buzzing through local audio |
| [11:11:37] | justinh: | loud? |
| [11:11:54] | mzb_d800: | err ... enough to be a major distraction |
| [11:12:07] | mzb_d800: | USB tuner, onboard audio |
| [11:12:09] | justinh: | when I'm using analogue sound I can sometimes hear the screen update if there's no audio & the amp is turned up loud |
| [11:12:49] | mzb_d800: | audio shares IRQ with usb4 ... not sure of the numbering .. might even have something to do with the fact I've hacksawed the card in half to fit the box ;) |
| [11:13:24] | justinh: | lol |
| [11:13:33] | mzb_d800: | but either way ... testing on another box will help to identify the problem |
| [11:13:38] | justinh: | that's akin to me cutting a pin off a cpu to make it fit the socket :P |
| [11:13:48] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [11:14:05] | justinh: | not that I'd ever expect it to work – not that I expect it'd ever have worked after being wrapped in polythene ffs |
| [11:14:13] | justinh: | tempted to leave neg feedback about that |
| [11:14:46] | justinh: | I mean I know you don't always have to be completely manic about ESD precautions but that's taking the pee |
| [11:14:50] | mzb_d800: | I've raped a few ppl with comments, but never left negative feedback (yet) |
| [11:15:04] | mzb_d800: | I usually get them to see things from my point of view ;) |
| [11:15:22] | mzb_d800: | at worst, I give no feedback |
| [11:15:44] | justinh: | I mean, if the pins are bedded in conductive foam, then it's put in a bag – that's millions of times better |
| [11:16:00] | justinh: | but no foam, just polythene.. pfft |
| [11:16:17] | mzb_d800: | in theory though, "modern" chips should be reasonably safe ... they have protections built in these days (afaik) |
| [11:16:44] | mzb_d800: | (things have advanced a fair bit since the 70s;) |
| [11:16:52] | justinh: | ESD protection has been built into devices for ages but it doesn't stop damage occurring |
| [11:17:06] | mzb_d800: | I tend to agree with you |
| [11:17:22] | rooaus: | justinh: No it doesn't, you are correct :D |
| [11:18:05] | mzb_d800: | I got given a 2.4 celeronD recently that looked like it had been through a washing machine (half the pins bent) |
| [11:19:18] | mzb_d800: | provider told me that he'd been delivered a POS machine, didn't notice any rattles, but at power-on nothing happened ... when he opened the box the CPU was free from the socket and had bounced around in the case |
| [11:19:23] | mzb_d800: | (so the story goes) |
| [11:19:45] | mzb_d800: | hard to believe the amount of damage to the pins was due to that .. but still |
| [11:20:18] | mzb_d800: | love to find out if it works .. but not really *that* interested in spending >$20 on a mobo (etc) to find out |
| [11:20:37] | mzb_d800: | (I spent an evening straightening the pins) |
| [11:22:01] | mzb_d800: | time to convince g/f to try out the new remote (cross fingers) |
| [11:23:33] | mzb_d800: | none of the names on the buttons are going to make sense, but as this is for the bedtv most of the control is going to be done in (semi)darkness ... so it's the layout+feel that's important (and the number of buttons) |
| [11:24:02] | justinh: | bed tv? yikes. and you're not married. abandon all hope |
| [11:24:17] | mzb_d800: | it's from an old surftv (web2u) set-top-box ... and has a matching (IR) keyboard which is proving to be a bit painful to setup |
| [11:24:38] | mzb_d800: | justinh: my mythboxen are: bedtv and mythtv |
| [11:25:01] | mzb_d800: | ps: we have a child, and are totally committed ... just not married (yet) |
| [11:25:53] | mzb_d800: | (ie. I abandoned hope a long time ago;) |
| [11:25:56] | justinh: | if we had a tv in the bedroom neither of us would ever get out of bed at the weekend |
| [11:26:19] | justinh: | so our resolve is set.. never gonna put one in there |
| [11:26:56] | justinh: | though if we did, I only need run a cable to the backend in the next room :) |
| [11:27:02] | mzb_d800: | I've provided it for her for her days off (if she's having one of those days) ... she does all the $ earning, and keeps me in the manner I've become accustomed to ;)) |
| [11:27:44] | mzb_d800: | (and for some *other* videos on parental level 4;) |
| [11:28:24] | mzb_d800: | [reinforces the idea that it's worth having mythtv around;] |
| [11:29:22] | mzb_d800: | between that, her custom workstation, her ipaq and mp3|ogg player she's become quite the linux chick ;) |
| [11:29:43] | mzb_d800: | (she also takes care of all the accounts, etc using oo.org) |
| [11:30:08] | mzb_d800: | not bad for someone who has|had a reading difficulty |
| [11:30:29] | mzb_d800: | (lack of brain use in the past, perhaps?;) |
| [11:33:09] | mzb_d800: | she's smarter than she's been told, but also has uncommonly good "common sense" (from her father's side;) |
| [11:33:56] | mzb_d800: | anyway ... time to turn the volume down on my noise ;) .. sorry all :) |
| [11:34:07] | adante: | say guys what sort of transcoding speeds do you guys get (probably help to spec cpu too) |
| [11:34:27] | mzb_d800: | fps? |
| [11:35:03] | justinh: | I get 0fps on my athlon 2000xp. |
| [11:35:07] | justinh: | I don't transcode :P |
| [11:37:33] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [11:37:44] | mzb_d800: | I'd have to double check mine |
| [11:38:39] | mzb_d800: | I have a dedicated SBE (no tuners) for transcoding ... an from memory I've seen rates from 15 to 150 (depending on what I'm doing, and how many at the same time) |
| [11:39:14] | mzb_d800: | it's a virtual machine on a Xen server ... which is a Sempron 3400+ |
| [11:39:46] | adante: | hm, i'm usually getting about 15fps, was sure i used to get better |
| [11:39:56] | adante: | on a p4 2.8 |
| [11:40:07] | adante: | but maybe i was transcoding to rtjpeg (now mpeg4->2) |
| [11:47:26] | mzb_d800: | ok, starting transcode job (medium (custom) setting) |
| [11:49:13] | mzb_d800: | 30fps atm |
| [11:49:43] | mzb_d800: | adante: does that help? |
| [11:50:04] | adante: | oh wow |
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| [11:50:21] | adante: | is that rtjpeg or mpeg4? |
| [11:51:17] | mzb_d800: | my medium setting includes: "Resize Video while encoding", 640x480, mpeg4, bitrate=3000 |
| [11:51:27] | mzb_d800: | enable HQ, 4MV |
| [11:51:49] | mzb_d800: | I think everything else is default |
| [11:52:15] | mzb_d800: | (I use the high quality setting for lossless) |
| [11:52:35] | justinh: | maybe I'll think about transcoding when my new FE is up & running. current one can't play anything but mpeg2 with myth's internal player |
| [11:52:46] | ** justinh smacks the stupid puny epia ** | |
| [11:53:25] | mzb_d800: | it could be a little faster, but I have a router (running openwrt) where the DMZ is actually using tagged VLAN ... which adds a little latency |
| [11:54:00] | mzb_d800: | (means I can have two subnets on the same wire, at the expense of router CPU) |
| [11:54:33] | mzb_d800: | now says 33.8 fps |
| [11:54:45] | mzb_d800: | (41%) |
| [11:54:56] | mzb_d800: | (transcoding futurama) |
| [12:05:11] | mzb_d800: | finished: 2.1GB -> 365.3MB |
| [12:12:10] | justinh: | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/09/nanotube_acronyms/ |
| [12:17:19] | rooaus: | justinh: roflmao |
| [12:18:49] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [12:19:09] | justinh: | hmm "would the (insert name of clockwork-powered CPU) system be fine as a mythtv frontend?" – from the -users list.. lol |
| [12:21:18] | mzb_d800: | s/VULture/VUrtiuaL/ ;) |
| [12:21:51] | mzb_d800: | pedal-power a minimum requirement these days? ;) |
| [12:23:13] | ** justinh just left feedback for the cpu.. "Swift delivery, well packaged in polythene & bubblewrap." ** | |
| [12:23:36] | justinh: | anybody in the know will realise the word anti-static isn't in that sentence I hope |
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| [12:24:50] | `dacium: | Hi is anyone active? |
| [12:25:04] | justinh: | sexually? not right now |
| [12:25:10] | `dacium: | I can't get mythtvbackend to run on start up :( |
| [12:26:00] | `dacium: | im running ubuntu, when i type /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start, it says allready running, use restart, when i use restart, it said none exists to kill... |
| [12:26:11] | justinh: | so use 'stop' |
| [12:26:18] | justinh: | then 'start' |
| [12:26:31] | justinh: | I've noticed restart doesn't work |
| [12:26:41] | justinh: | even when it's running it doesn't work |
| [12:26:43] | `dacium: | when i use stop it says the same as restart, non found running :( |
| [12:26:57] | justinh: | look in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [12:28:57] | `dacium: | It looks like it is unable to connect to sql database |
| [12:29:16] | `dacium: | but when i run backend setup it has no problems connecting |
| [12:29:34] | justinh: | I suggest you read the ubuntu community docs then |
| [12:29:54] | `dacium: | do you know how to check if mysql is running? |
| [12:30:20] | justinh: | same way you check any other process is running |
| [12:30:28] | justinh: | ps -ef |grep mysql |
| [12:30:47] | justinh: | it'll be running, I can virtually guarantee that |
| [12:31:00] | `dacium: | yup |
| [12:31:23] | justinh: | find all the files called mysql.txt on your system & make sure they all agree |
| [12:31:59] | `dacium: | bah i just about give up back to xp i think to many problems |
| [12:32:37] | justinh: | rofl |
| [12:33:31] | `dacium: | the data base works because it works when you run backend setup, its just backend won't run on boot |
| [12:33:43] | justinh: | so go back to XP then |
| [12:33:46] | `dacium: | how do i change backend to run as a different account? |
| [12:33:57] | justinh: | what user did you run mythtv-setup as? |
| [12:34:17] | `dacium: | a normal user |
| [12:34:21] | `dacium: | not mythtv |
| [12:34:22] | justinh: | that's the problem |
| [12:34:34] | justinh: | you didn't read the ubuntu community docs about mythtv |
| [12:34:41] | `dacium: | i tried to |
| [12:35:04] | `dacium: | i followed an install guide for mythtv on ubunutu |
| [12:35:06] | `dacium: | it must be wrong |
| [12:35:16] | justinh: | there's a file called mysql.txt stored in a .mythtv folder within the home directory of each user you want to run mythtv related apps |
| [12:35:26] | justinh: | mythtv looks in the file to find out where the database lives |
| [12:35:39] | justinh: | find all the files called mysql.txt on your system & make sure they all agree |
| [12:36:11] | justinh: | the master mysql.txt file is in /etc/mythtv/ – you should take that one as being correct |
| [12:37:08] | justinh: | have a look in there, then try logging into mysql from a terminal with "mysql -u mythtv -p$passwordfromthemysql.txtfile" |
| [12:37:40] | justinh: | e.g. if the mysql.txt file says the password is "zgfsjfghj" you'd use mysql -u mythtv -pzgfsjfghj |
| [12:37:59] | justinh: | then if that works you know the details stored in the mysql.txt file are good |
| [12:38:16] | justinh: | see what's happened here isn't supposed to happen. It was supposed to have been fixed |
| [12:38:41] | justinh: | but obviously the ubuntu packages haven't quite taken care of everything yet |
| [12:39:23] | justinh: | the guide you should follow is here by the way: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV |
| [12:39:38] | `dacium: | so if the password in the txt file is wrong should i change it or change the sql password |
| [12:39:48] | justinh: | change either, or both. |
| [12:39:58] | justinh: | the master file in /etc/mythtv should be correct though |
| [12:40:24] | justinh: | the thing is, that file is only written by the package installer & mythtv doesn't know about it |
| [12:40:51] | justinh: | you should probably look in /root/.mythtv and /home/mythtv/.mythtv |
| [12:41:09] | justinh: | one of those locations will be where mythbackend is looking |
| [12:41:40] | `dacium: | ok ill check there to, i didnt find any other mysql.txt though |
| [12:42:51] | `dacium: | the search im using must be retarted, can it be done from command prompt? find all mysql.txt |
| [12:42:51] | justinh: | using the ubuntu init script, mythbackend is running as root here, so maybe copying (with sudo) /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt will help |
| [12:43:01] | justinh: | locate mysql.txt |
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| [12:45:34] | `dacium: | what is the sudo command to make console with root priv? |
| [12:49:33] | mzb_d800: | sudo su? |
| [12:49:46] | mzb_d800: | (in ubuntu-speak;) |
| [12:50:05] | `dacium: | ya |
| [12:50:07] | mzb_d800: | (ie. for passwordless-root accounts) |
| [12:50:19] | `dacium: | i am trying to find all the mysql.txt on my computer do you know where they all are? |
| [12:50:32] | mzb_d800: | # updatedb & |
| [12:50:39] | mzb_d800: | when that's finished: |
| [12:50:48] | mzb_d800: | # locate mysql.txt |
| [12:50:55] | mzb_d800: | (like justinh said) |
| [12:51:09] | `dacium: | locate mysql.txt returns nothing... even though there is at least one in etc/mythtv/ |
| [12:51:26] | mzb_d800: | make sure your locatedb is up to date |
| [12:51:30] | mzb_d800: | (first) |
| [12:51:43] | mzb_d800: | (it runs once per day by default) |
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| [12:52:03] | `dacium: | how do i do that? |
| [12:52:24] | `dacium: | oh oops i had a type |
| [12:52:28] | `dacium: | a typo |
| [12:52:29] | `dacium: | haha |
| [12:52:46] | mzb_d800: | did you read the two commands I typed above? |
| [12:53:12] | mzb_d800: | k, :) |
| [12:53:17] | `dacium: | yeah sorry im just stupid and type wrong all the time |
| [12:54:21] | mzb_d800: | that's a M$ user trait that will slowly die away as you realise that *nix (in general) don't pretend to know what you want ;P |
| [12:54:47] | `dacium: | this is my first time with unix... hahar |
| [12:55:17] | `dacium: | i got ubuntu installed, got my tv tuner installted, now i fixed that problem and the backend seems to load automatically now after fixing the mysql.txt files |
| [12:55:19] | mzb_d800: | hint for you: left click & drag over the text I've typed, the move pointer over terminal, and press middle button |
| [12:55:30] | mzb_d800: | good |
| [12:55:31] | `dacium: | i would but im talking to you on a terminal |
| [12:55:43] | mzb_d800: | open another (or another tab) |
| [12:55:53] | mzb_d800: | (ps. use xchat;P) |
| [12:56:03] | `dacium: | the only problem i have now is that when i use the nvidia driver, mythtv crashes and locks up the whole system |
| [12:56:20] | mzb_d800: | if using gnome-terminal try ctrl+shift+T |
| [12:56:48] | mzb_d800: | you're going to have so much fun learning all these things ;))) |
| [12:57:10] | mzb_d800: | and then eventually ... you'll never return to the dark side ;) |
| [12:57:12] | `dacium: | damn it, still cant get the frontend to talk to the backend |
| [12:57:24] | mzb_d800: | is the backend running? |
| [12:58:05] | `dacium: | how do i check? |
| [12:59:16] | mzb_d800: | like justinh showed you before |
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| [13:00:58] | `dacium: | ps -ef |grep back |
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| [13:01:04] | `dacium: | ps -ef |grep myth |
| [13:01:08] | `dacium: | both show nothing |
| [13:01:55] | mzb_d800: | right, so check your logs |
| [13:02:48] | `dacium: | ah |
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| [13:03:18] | `dacium: | it says that the nfslockfile.lock permission denied |
| [13:03:31] | mzb_d800: | step 1: get mythbackend working |
| [13:03:52] | mzb_d800: | (nfs is not directly related) |
| [13:04:02] | mzb_d800: | learn to use google.com/linux |
| [13:04:14] | mzb_d800: | step 2: get frontend working |
| [13:04:30] | `dacium: | ive been googling all night |
| [13:04:40] | `dacium: | oh wells |
| [13:04:46] | mzb_d800: | in theory, the ubuntu install *should* work out of the box |
| [13:04:57] | clever: | mine mostly worked |
| [13:05:00] | mzb_d800: | I suspect you've not followed the instructions |
| [13:05:10] | `dacium: | what if i install it agian? |
| [13:05:11] | clever: | main problems was the fact it was 0.18 and i didnt restart the backend after changing certains ettings |
| [13:05:43] | `dacium: | its all this user settings crap :( somewhere something isnt set right |
| [13:05:54] | mzb_d800: | (clever: shift change ;) ... I've got buttons to push ;) |
| [13:06:33] | clever: | lol:) |
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| [13:07:15] | mzb_d800: | just got my serial receiver working ... and want to see g/f use it (so I can get some appreciation;) |
| [13:07:36] | clever: | i dont have a ir receiver |
| [13:07:42] | clever: | i ordered one online and it has yet to arive |
| [13:07:44] | clever: | months latter... |
| [13:07:49] | mzb_d800: | make one |
| [13:08:04] | clever: | id still need to get atleast some of the parts |
| [13:08:10] | mzb_d800: | I'll post my pics (etc) on my blog sometime soon |
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| [13:08:21] | mzb_d800: | < au$10 for two |
| [13:08:31] | anykey_: | mzb_d800: where's your blog? |
| [13:08:36] | mzb_d800: | `dacium: have fun, don't give up and remember that *everything* in linux can be changed |
| [13:08:51] | ali1234: | locate sucks, use find instead :/ |
| [13:09:01] | mzb_d800: | anykey: at home ;) |
| [13:09:02] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/ |
| [13:09:09] | mzb_d800: | (in the other room) |
| [13:09:16] | anykey_: | thanks ;) |
| [13:09:19] | `dacium: | no matter what i do it always says can't connect to backend bah |
| [13:09:33] | mzb_d800: | I don't chatter to it ... I just use it like a technical diary |
| [13:09:44] | ali1234: | `dacium: are you installing mythtv on a regular ubuntu? |
| [13:09:50] | `dacium: | yes |
| [13:10:10] | ali1234: | well then you need to set up the mysql users, because ubuntu only sets up a default mysql setup |
| [13:10:16] | mzb_d800: | anykey_: I have the donkeyserver running atm so upload will be pitiful |
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| [13:10:33] | ali1234: | at least, that was the case with 7.04 |
| [13:11:03] | mzb_d800: | anykey_: if my site is even vaguely interesting to you I'm quite happy to turn the donkeyserver off |
| [13:11:17] | anykey_: | mzb_d800: not right now, but maybe later |
| [13:11:21] | mzb_d800: | ok |
| [13:11:25] | `dacium: | its not the problem at one point i had the backend working because i was watching tv. |
| [13:11:41] | `dacium: | i setup a user mythtv |
| [13:12:16] | sebrock: | If I need to unload the module for my ethernet card how do I figure out which one this is? |
| [13:12:49] | `dacium: | the only problem i have in the log file is that nfslockfile.lock permission denied |
| [13:13:01] | `dacium: | the databse connections all seem to work |
| [13:13:16] | ali1234: | `dacium: have you tried restarting the backend? |
| [13:13:22] | mzb_d800: | sebrock: # ethtool -i eth0 |
| [13:14:39] | rooaus: | `dacium: Can you post the log file to pastebin? |
| [13:15:18] | sebrock: | tnx mzb_d800 |
| [13:15:53] | `dacium: | i have no idea what a pastebin is :D |
| [13:16:17] | `dacium: | ok |
| [13:16:19] | justinh: | just follow the damn mythtv community docs to start with. the key is obviously following the _right_ howto in the beginning, not Joe Noclue's blog pages or whatever ;) |
| [13:16:54] | mzb_d800: | `dacium: eg http://openpaste.org/en/ |
| [13:17:15] | mzb_d800: | (there are many) |
| [13:17:29] | justinh: | read /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to glean the login details (user:mythtv password:something random the package installer created) – then try mysql -u mythtv -p$thepassword. if that works, then just make a /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt with the right details |
| [13:18:07] | justinh: | I can't honestly believe they're still being plagued by this problem. it was all supposed to have been fixed & now happen as if by magic |
| [13:18:24] | `dacium: | pastbin 3820 |
| [13:18:36] | `dacium: | ok i know my root does not have a mysql.txt |
| [13:18:54] | `dacium: | i know the password in the etc/mythtv/mysql is the correct one to work in sql |
| [13:19:00] | justinh: | right |
| [13:19:20] | justinh: | the init script is very likely to be running mythbackend as root, so you need a /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [13:19:25] | `dacium: | i did have that problem (at the top of the log file), but now at the end its differnt |
| [13:19:41] | `dacium: | so should i just make the .mythtv folder because my /root has nothing |
| [13:20:02] | justinh: | if it's not there, and the backend runs as root, then it has to be there |
| [13:20:37] | justinh: | this has nothing to do with mythtv btw – it's the responsibility of the installer/packaging to set this up for you |
| [13:21:32] | justinh: | if you'd run mythtv-setup as the right user in the first place this might not have happened but there are that many conflicting docs, different versions of package which do different things.. |
| [13:21:52] | clever: | justinh: you dont need one at /root/.mythtv... if theres one in /etc/ |
| [13:22:00] | justinh: | clever: not in my experience |
| [13:22:07] | clever: | the /etc/ one is global so all users should use it(if they can read it) |
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| [13:22:10] | adante: | what's the problem here? |
| [13:22:17] | clever: | but id just avoid running myth as root |
| [13:22:25] | justinh: | mysql access problem on ubuntu. as per ducking usual |
| [13:22:31] | mzb_d800: | the init script should be starting the backend with a --chuid |
| [13:22:42] | `dacium: | what file is that in? |
| [13:22:55] | clever: | the backend could be modified to say what mysql.txt its using on startup |
| [13:23:03] | clever: | just to aid in these kinds of problems |
| [13:23:05] | mzb_d800: | /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend |
| [13:23:21] | justinh: | just help the guy fix the problem, don't compound it |
| [13:23:42] | clever: | export PATH=/media/mainlv/root/7.10/bin/:$PATH |
| [13:23:46] | clever: | TZ=AST4 sudo -u tv -H mythbackend --logfile /home/tv/backendlog & |
| [13:23:55] | justinh: | just help the guy fix the problem, don't compound it |
| [13:23:59] | clever: | (part of my /etc/rc.local but it lacks the ability to stop/restart with ease) |
| [13:24:00] | mzb_d800: | if ubuntu's is even remotely like debian's (as it should be), the (MOST) server(S) should be chuid |
| [13:24:12] | justinh: | mzb_d800: not in the init script I have here |
| [13:24:25] | justinh: | mythbackend is running as root |
| [13:24:36] | justinh: | I don't see a problem with that either |
| [13:25:13] | ali1234: | if you look at his log properly, you'd see he already fixed the database access |
| [13:25:23] | mzb_d800: | bedtv:~# grep -i chuid /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend | head -1 |
| [13:25:23] | mzb_d800: | --chuid $USER --nicelevel $NICE --exec $DAEMON — $ARGS |
| [13:25:34] | justinh: | I don't remember seeing the full URL posted |
| [13:25:52] | mzb_d800: | loungetv:~# grep -i chuid /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend | head -1 |
| [13:25:53] | mzb_d800: | --chuid $USER --nicelevel $NICE --exec $DAEMON — $ARGS |
| [13:26:26] | sebrock: | stangly I can only enter sleep once, nothing happens second time... |
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| [13:27:29] | ali1234: | `dacium: so, did you check that nfslockfile.lock and /var/lib/mythtv/recordings are writable like the log is telling you? |
| [13:27:31] | mzb_d800: | sebrock: google will eventually reveal an involved procedure that you need to follow |
| [13:27:56] | `dacium: | should i set permission for everyone to access nfslockfile.lock? |
| [13:28:11] | justinh: | what ducking log?! |
| [13:28:19] | ali1234: | http://openpaste.org/en/3820/ |
| [13:28:33] | justinh: | people posted about 3 pastebin links & he posted a number |
| [13:28:48] | ali1234: | funny, i only saw one pastebin link :) |
| [13:29:56] | justinh: | well, the log text seems pretty black & white to me |
| [13:30:05] | ali1234: | anyways, from what i remember that directory should be mythtv/mythtv rwxrwsr-- on ubuntu |
| [13:30:14] | `dacium: | how do i set permission for everyone to work on that file? i already set permission for everyone to access var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [13:30:21] | justinh: | "Be sure that '/var/lib/mythtv/recordings' exists and that both he directory and that file are writeable by this user." |
| [13:30:21] | rooaus: | `dacium: What version of ubuntu are you using? |
| [13:30:25] | `dacium: | 7.10 |
| [13:30:50] | justinh: | doesn't really get much more plain that that! |
| [13:31:09] | `dacium: | how do i do that exactally? |
| [13:31:25] | justinh: | does the dir exist? |
| [13:31:39] | `dacium: | yes |
| [13:31:46] | justinh: | who owns it? |
| [13:31:53] | justinh: | what are its permissions set to? |
| [13:32:01] | `dacium: | i dont know how to do linux permissions :D |
| [13:32:07] | ali1234: | ls -l |
| [13:32:19] | mzb_d800: | # ls -l /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [13:32:29] | mzb_d800: | # chown -R :mythtv /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [13:32:35] | `dacium: | its says -rw-r--r-- |
| [13:32:39] | `dacium: | for the lock file |
| [13:32:46] | justinh: | mzb_d800: IF the backend is set to run as 'mythtv', sure |
| [13:32:48] | mzb_d800: | (to make the mythtv GROUP own that dir) |
| [13:32:52] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [13:32:58] | `dacium: | -fw-r--r-- 1 dac mythtv 0 2007 ... |
| [13:33:13] | ali1234: | hmm |
| [13:33:26] | ali1234: | did you the backend manually instead of using the initscript? |
| [13:33:29] | mzb_d800: | # ls -d /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [13:33:33] | `dacium: | maybe i dont have a user called mythtv just a group? |
| [13:33:36] | mzb_d800: | (should have been) |
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| [13:34:17] | justinh: | ls -dl maybe |
| [13:34:45] | `dacium: | ls -dl says drwxrwxrw- 2 mythtv mythtv 4096 |
| [13:35:21] | sebrock: | mzb_d800: I tried everything... even google :D anyway, got eth0 up and running now again... |
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| [13:35:51] | rooaus: | `dacium: How did you install mythtv? Something like "apt-get install mythtv"? |
| [13:36:01] | `dacium: | yes |
| [13:36:40] | justinh: | is the user mythbackend is starting as a member of the 'mythtv' group? |
| [13:37:34] | `dacium: | as far as i can tell there are only 2 users on my pc, root and dac, both are members of mythtv group |
| [13:37:35] | ali1234: | it doesnt matter if the user is or not, because only user "dac" can overwrite the file |
| [13:38:03] | justinh: | it wouldn't matter if mythbackend was running as root though, would it |
| [13:38:08] | ali1234: | and i'm 100% positive the initscript doesnt run the backend as a normal login user |
| [13:38:10] | mzb_d800: | sebrock: the sleep issue could possibly be related to modules not resuming properly ... there is a method where you flip a couple of hidden switches, then read a log (straight after boot) to find out what the problem is. Google for something like "suspend Linus debug" |
| [13:38:20] | ali1234: | right, but it doesnt run as root on ubuntu |
| [13:38:54] | ali1234: | so i suggest removing the lock file with sudo and let the backend recreate it what you restart it using the initscript |
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| [13:39:24] | sebrock: | mzb_d800: done that, some of my issues are "fixed". However this I cant seem to find. Also I need help in reading the logs |
| [13:39:38] | `dacium: | I removed the file and rebooted and now it works :) |
| [13:39:44] | ali1234: | hooray |
| [13:39:55] | ali1234: | dont run mythbackend directly in future |
| [13:40:01] | `dacium: | thx for help ali and mzb and justin |
| [13:40:08] | `dacium: | i dont know what i did |
| [13:40:10] | mzb_d800: | sebrock: read the 1st link from that search ... sorry, I can't help your further |
| [13:40:17] | sebrock: | even more strange is that my local loopback is gone after resume :/ |
| [13:40:24] | mzb_d800: | `dacium: cool, all working? |
| [13:40:43] | `dacium: | One last problem, my video drivers :( |
| [13:40:53] | ali1234: | `dacium: what card? |
| [13:40:56] | mzb_d800: | *snore* ;) |
| [13:41:05] | `dacium: | I just have ubuntu defaul driver on, whatever that is, so when I view HD content it only get about 3 frames persecond |
| [13:41:10] | `dacium: | the card is 7200 AGP |
| [13:41:12] | justinh: | nvidia ftw! but not the very latest driver. the latest-1 |
| [13:41:12] | mzb_d800: | time for a cool-down beer before bed |
| [13:41:32] | justinh: | `dacium: the open source nvidia driver sucks |
| [13:41:32] | `dacium: | oh how to i get the latest minus 1? I put the latest one and it caused instant lockups |
| [13:41:45] | ali1234: | `dacium: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new |
| [13:42:16] | `dacium: | yeah thats the one i put on, it causes mythtvfrontend to lock up badly witch wierd display glitches on the HUD |
| [13:42:51] | ali1234: | `dacium: did you enable the driver using restricted drivers manager? |
| [13:42:56] | `dacium: | yep |
| [13:43:08] | ali1234: | perhaps you need to disable aiglx? |
| [13:43:15] | `dacium: | what is aiglx? |
| [13:43:18] | tjcarter: | justinh: it doesn't suck. It's just such a big lumbering oaf of a driver that we can feel its natural gravitational pull. |
| [13:43:27] | clever: | lol |
| [13:43:28] | `dacium: | with that driver on it seems to work fine for everything, expect mythtv locks up |
| [13:43:45] | ali1234: | aiglx is the compositing extension that does the window effects |
| [13:44:19] | ali1234: | also if you are using dual head make sure to disable xinerama cos it doesnt work properly with mythtv |
| [13:44:30] | mzb_d800: | "Disable Desktop Effects" |
| [13:44:38] | `dacium: | dual head? |
| [13:44:47] | ali1234: | yes, monitor + tv |
| [13:45:03] | `dacium: | yes the video card has monitor output that i want to get working also |
| [13:45:24] | `dacium: | so i should turn that video driver on, then where do i go to disable xinerama and aiglx? |
| [13:45:25] | ali1234: | just enable it with nvidia-settings |
| [13:45:30] | `dacium: | ok |
| [13:45:37] | mzb_d800: | "Disable Desktop Effects" |
| [13:45:40] | ali1234: | but dont turn on xinerama |
| [13:46:10] | `dacium: | so i enable dual head, disable xinerama and displayed aiglx, are they all in nvidia-settings |
| [13:46:24] | ali1234: | no, aiglx is not in nvidia settings |
| [13:46:50] | mzb_d800: | "Disable Desktop Effects" !!!!!! |
| [13:47:04] | mzb_d800: | System -> Preferences -> Desktop Effects |
| [13:47:08] | `dacium: | yes but where is that option please im complete noob :), thanks |
| [13:47:11] | `dacium: | :) |
| [13:47:20] | ali1234: | mzb_d800: that's been moved in gutsy |
| [13:47:26] | mzb_d800: | my mistake |
| [13:47:32] | mzb_d800: | GL Desktop? |
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| [13:47:36] | ali1234: | it's now system->prefs->appearance |
| [13:47:39] | mzb_d800: | it's around there somewhere |
| [13:47:54] | `dacium: | k thanks |
| [13:48:02] | `dacium: | im just rebooting from installing the nvidia driver |
| [13:48:10] | justinh: | oh noes! does that mean you can't bend miffyteevee around a cube? awwww |
| [13:48:10] | ali1234: | however im not sure if that disables aiglx, or just turns off the effects |
| [13:48:32] | ali1234: | still, try it first |
| [13:48:36] | Andycasss: | I cant get my joystick working with joystickmenurc file, is there a way to map gamepad's buttons to keys globally? |
| [13:49:52] | clever: | im not even getting a /dev/input/js0 from my joystick |
| [13:50:04] | Andycasss: | the gamepad is connected through usb and is recognized in jstest... Just incase, my joystickmenurc code: http://andycas.planet.ee/files/1.txt |
| [13:50:24] | clever: | mine is connected thru a gameport but i havent tryed jstest on it |
| [13:50:49] | `dacium: | where is dual head in the nvidia-settings? |
| [13:51:17] | mzb_d800: | it's not on my default (in one of it's many variations) |
| [13:51:22] | mzb_d800: | s/my/by |
| [13:52:23] | mzb_d800: | synonymous (kinda) with words like "Clone" and "TwinView" (but there are other modes as well) ... all coming under the "Dual Head" umbrella |
| [13:52:34] | justinh: | now, when you run dualheaded, which screen do you want video playback to tear & look horrible on? ;) |
| [13:52:44] | ali1234: | you have to have the devices plugged in for them to show up... it should look like the windows equivalent where you enable displays |
| [13:53:05] | `dacium: | yay well i got the tv out working.. so my only problem now is mythtv crashing when using this nvidia driver |
| [13:53:14] | mzb_d800: | who was talking about keeping it simple before he gets mythtv running? |
| [13:53:19] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [13:54:09] | `dacium: | hmm crap my screen is now on two monitors, but i just want the same picture on both monitors... |
| [13:54:26] | ali1234: | then select twinview |
| [13:54:34] | justinh: | so you'll be wanting 'clone' IIRC |
| [13:54:48] | `dacium: | yay |
| [13:55:04] | `dacium: | i had to setup a seperate x sreen |
| [13:55:24] | `dacium: | So now everything is working except this nvidia driver crashes mythtv :( |
| [13:56:26] | ali1234: | well i just tried it. turning off desktop effects in the menus does not turn off aiglx/composite |
| [13:56:46] | ali1234: | this is how you turn it all the way off: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProjec . . . 46dde44175c1 |
| [13:57:06] | `dacium: | turning it off seems to stop mythtv from crashing though |
| [13:57:09] | `dacium: | because now it works |
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| [13:57:21] | ali1234: | fair enough... leave the xconfig alone then |
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| [13:58:00] | Andycasss: | I think im gonna use some joy2key program and see how it turns out... |
| [13:58:43] | `dacium: | bah always problems i have 2 x screens, but the tv out one does not update it just locks up |
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| [14:02:32] | `dacium: | i dont understand during post and loading etc my dual vision works, but when i goto desktop, its like they are seperate screens even though its not an extended desktop |
| [14:02:58] | justinh: | that'll be because your desktops aren't clones |
| [14:03:03] | justinh: | you need to enable cloning |
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| [14:03:41] | `dacium: | how do i enable that? |
| [14:03:57] | `dacium: | crap now my main desktop is the TV on and i can't make out any text hahahahah |
| [14:04:16] | seth|web: | what kind of video card? |
| [14:04:23] | `dacium: | nvidia 7200 |
| [14:04:23] | seth|web: | and what Distro |
| [14:04:33] | justinh: | ubunuts |
| [14:04:46] | seth|web: | from a terminal run nvidia-setings |
| [14:04:53] | seth|web: | er sorry nvidia-settings |
| [14:05:10] | `dacium: | yep |
| [14:05:38] | seth|web: | when that opens, click the "X Server Display Configuration" on the upper left, then look at the right, all options are there |
| [14:05:55] | `dacium: | there is no cloning option though |
| [14:06:16] | seth|web: | click vconfigure next to "Configuration: Seperate X screen |
| [14:06:43] | `dacium: | it has Sepecate X screen , or TwinView, i have it as seperate X xcreen |
| [14:06:46] | seth|web: | if you only see one display representation in the window above the options, then below click "Detect Display`s" |
| [14:07:11] | `dacium: | it seems to display as a seperate instant of X, there is no mouse or windows on the second screen, but the desktop is NOT extended over to it |
| [14:07:14] | seth|web: | select twinview |
| [14:08:52] | `dacium: | oh there it hides clones :D |
| [14:08:53] | seth|web: | from this google search link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2721997&postcount=2 |
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| [14:09:31] | `dacium: | yay |
| [14:09:39] | seth|web: | there ya go :-) |
| [14:09:41] | `dacium: | now im gann try displaying AIGLX |
| [14:09:59] | `dacium: | because my mythtv crashes with this video card installed and i dont appear to have any acceleration |
| [14:12:23] | seth|web: | i use mythtv in conjunction w/compiz-fusion, and I do use aiglx, on my myth slave box at home |
| [14:12:54] | `dacium: | when in mythtv and watching live tv and moving back and forth in time, do you know what key to press to go to live tv again? |
| [14:13:17] | seth|web: | i re-mapped my keys to work with my remote sorry :( |
| [14:14:00] | mzb_d800: | google: mythtv keybindings |
| [14:16:34] | `dacium: | yeah i have read the key binding list but i cant find a key that jumps back to live, i can't seem to catch back up closer than 6 seconds behind haha |
| [14:18:30] | `dacium: | is open GL better or worse? |
| [14:23:53] | `dacium: | n |
| [14:24:46] | seth|web: | i use QT, fading windows doesn't get me much |
| [14:25:48] | `dacium: | darn it... i switched to open gl and my system locks up now when frontend loads, is there a setting file to change this back |
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| [14:27:27] | ali1234: | well, i use opengl mode because QT mode takes about 10 minutes to load up |
| [14:28:48] | ali1234: | also, try setting mpeg decoder to "standard XvMC" on the same page. for me that gives a huge increase in picture quality |
| [14:29:43] | `dacium: | What gives with the prescale theme images? sometimes it does it instantly. other times it takes forever |
| [14:30:08] | Andycasss: | Does anyone know how to get the joystickmenurc working? the jstest doesnt recognize the gamepad on /dev/js0, instead its in /dev/input/js0 and a user posted on a forum telling that mythtv doesnt recognize the /dev/input/js0 path... My joystickmenurc: http://andycas.planet.ee/files/1.txt |
| [14:30:16] | ali1234: | if you havn't changed any settings, i guess it uses a cached version... |
| [14:30:52] | ali1234: | Andycasss: just create a symlink in /dev from wherever it is to wherever mythtv wants it to be |
| [14:31:28] | ali1234: | eg: ln -s /dev/input/js0 /dev/js0 |
| [14:31:41] | `dacium: | i seem to have everything working, expect HDTV crashs my video card SD is ok, but 1080p just totally wrecks everything |
| [14:32:09] | ali1234: | try turning on xvmc, seriously |
| [14:32:37] | `dacium: | what is it and how do i do that? |
| [14:32:40] | ali1234: | 1080p + software decoding is very system intensive |
| [14:32:53] | ali1234: | xvmc decodes the video on the gpu basically |
| [14:33:03] | ali1234: | it's on the same page as the qt/opengl setting |
| [14:33:10] | `dacium: | k thanks |
| [14:33:15] | ali1234: | "mpeg decoder" -> change to standard xvmc |
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| [14:36:32] | `dacium: | i cand find that option at all! |
| [14:37:21] | mzb_d800: | TV Settings, Playback (?) |
| [14:38:15] | Andycasss: | Meh, even with symbolic link, its not working |
| [14:38:52] | ali1234: | screen shot: http://parker1.co.uk/semtv/xvmcsetup.png |
| [14:39:22] | ali1234: | looks like it isn't on quite the same page as the interface settings... i'm sure it's somewhere close though |
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| [14:44:51] | `dacium: | i dont understand i can save and view 3 SD channels all at once, but even a single HD channel kills my whole PC |
| [14:46:44] | Andycasss: | Ok it turns out that the symlink worked, is there a way to make it permanent? |
| [14:46:57] | quicksilver: | HD is more than 3xSD, isn't it? |
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| [14:47:03] | quicksilver: | isn't it around 4–6x more data? |
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| [14:47:37] | black_Nightmare_: | hello |
| [14:47:54] | black_Nightmare_: | any of you here run in 128mb or 256mb ram out of curiousity? |
| [14:48:08] | seth|web: | for a video card? |
| [14:48:14] | seth|web: | or system? |
| [14:48:27] | black_Nightmare_: | system |
| [14:48:48] | mediabuntu: | whats this ? Successful su for nobody by root |
| [14:48:58] | seth|web: | i have an old ibm netfinity desktop that has 128 mb it is an sd/dvd frontend 733MHz Celeron 128MB ram |
| [14:49:07] | ali1234: | Andycasss: the symlink should be permanent |
| [14:49:24] | mediabuntu: | found this at /var/log/auth.log |
| [14:49:33] | black_Nightmare_: | seth..hmm... 'sd/dvd'? |
| [14:49:59] | ali1234: | black_Nightmare_: i have 256mb ram and a 64mb GF4 and it's fine for SD, combined frontend and backend with 1 tuner |
| [14:50:24] | Andycasss: | Ali, weird, it didnt work after reboot |
| [14:50:43] | Andycasss: | Later i re-did it and just launched frontend and it worked |
| [14:51:03] | seth|web: | black_Nightmare, SD meaning non HD content, dish network set top box, and dvd meaning it has a dvd drive, and is capable of playing dvd's |
| [14:51:19] | Andycasss: | I mean, i checked the dev/js0 after failure to make sure it was there, and it wasnt. And after that re-did... |
| [14:51:34] | ali1234: | Andycasss: so it gets deleted then... what distro? |
| [14:51:44] | Andycasss: | Ubuntu 7.10 |
| [14:51:50] | ali1234: | hmm |
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| [14:52:48] | black_Nightmare_: | hm... |
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| [14:53:05] | black_Nightmare_: | maybe I'll just hold off ram upgrade ideas for now and stick with the 128mb I've already got to start with |
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| [14:53:34] | ali1234: | Andycasss: i'm not sure, but somebody in #ubuntu probably knows how to permanently link it |
| [14:53:42] | sebrock: | how do I enable PM_TRACE to do debugging with ACPI? |
| [14:53:50] | seth|web: | well mine works fine as a frontend, it has no tuner cards, just gets content from the master backend, works well, but HD content, hehe, not viewable |
| [14:55:31] | black_Nightmare_: | well seth...its only random antenna channels here so just probably going to save the videos at 320x240@15 probably anyhow as if it'll make much difference |
| [14:56:58] | black_Nightmare_: | ^-^ |
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| [14:58:52] | mzb_d800: | black_Nightmare_: my FE's are 192MB and 256MB |
| [14:59:11] | black_Nightmare_: | hey mzb..been a while I saw you now :p |
| [14:59:18] | mzb_d800: | :) |
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| [15:00:12] | black_Nightmare_: | I'm probably at 256mb max for this board (ok truth is if I somehow could switch sdram for 168pin edo at all the max is actually 512mb this time...I'm not sure exactly whats with this specific odditity anyhow) .. right now its just single 128mb in second slot |
| [15:01:11] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb...so how're you anyhow? |
| [15:01:30] | mzb_d800: | good thanks, tired and pissed :) .. and you? |
| [15:02:01] | black_Nightmare_: | hehe |
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| [15:02:07] | Andycasss: | guys over #ubuntu told me that the symlink shouldnt go anywhere, but its still disappearing after reboot :/ Maybe theres a way to make joystickmenurc understand the original path to js0? |
| [15:02:21] | black_Nightmare_: | doing ok..just trying look up to see if I can EVEN find any more online computer parts supplier in north america anyway |
| [15:02:28] | black_Nightmare_: | :"> |
| [15:03:19] | mzb_d800: | Andycasss: symlinks in /dev won't work (after reboot) |
| [15:03:26] | black_Nightmare_: | don't think I have enough bookmarks anyhow heh (only 4, which of 2 are in canada) |
| [15:03:30] | mzb_d800: | you probably need to create a udev rule |
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| [15:04:29] | mzb_d800: | so that a link is created for you when the device is found |
| [15:04:47] | ali1234: | the link is created. in /dev/input not in /dev |
| [15:05:18] | ali1234: | i've done this exact thing in the past on older versions of ubuntu so they must have changed how /dev works recently... |
| [15:05:38] | ali1234: | eg on 6.04 you could make a synlink in /dev and it would stay forever |
| [15:06:39] | Andycasss: | I think i have to use device node |
| [15:06:45] | ali1234: | mknod? |
| [15:06:52] | Andycasss: | yes |
| [15:06:53] | black_Nightmare_: | anyone here in usa and know some store that probably also have pinnacule/hauppauge items listed? |
| [15:07:00] | ali1234: | that shouldn't be any more likely to stay around than a symlink |
| [15:07:28] | Andycasss: | I could try.. |
| [15:07:37] | mzb_d800: | ali1234 /dev is a virtual filesystem |
| [15:07:39] | ali1234: | you could always put the command into /etc/rc.local |
| [15:07:52] | ali1234: | mzb_d800: and it's supposed to get backed up to a tarball at reboots |
| [15:08:36] | mzb_d800: | udev is the correct method |
| [15:08:40] | mzb_d800: | . |
| [15:08:56] | mzb_d800: | links are a hack |
| [15:09:28] | ali1234: | actually, the correct method would be to fix joystickmenurc so that the device isn't hardcoded (if indeed it is) |
| [15:09:41] | ali1234: | but i've never used it... i dont even know what it is |
| [15:11:28] | GreyFoxx: | the device name is specificed in the joystickmenurc file |
| [15:12:22] | Andycasss: | GreyFoxx, when i point it to /dev/input/js0 it doesnt work... |
| [15:12:50] | justinh: | mzb_d800: links might be a hack, but 'udev rules' is a contradiction in terms |
| [15:12:58] | Andycasss: | When i symlink the /dev/input/js0 /dev/js0 and change the path in joystickmenurc to /dev/js0 it works |
| [15:13:29] | ali1234: | is this joystickmenurc thing part of mythtv, or what? |
| [15:13:38] | mzb_d800: | :) it's still the currently accepted method ... links in dev started dying out in 2.4 |
| [15:13:46] | GreyFoxx: | there is nothing hardcoded about the joystick path, and no defaults. Myth only looks where that file says to look. |
| [15:13:55] | GreyFoxx: | ali1234: yeah |
| [15:14:20] | Andycasss: | Weird, it doesnt work for me that way |
| [15:14:34] | GreyFoxx: | Andycasss: I assume you are looking at the frontend for output ?> |
| [15:14:40] | GreyFoxx: | Incase any errors are reported ? |
| [15:14:58] | GreyFoxx: | If it failed to open it would sput out an error along with thepath it tried |
| [15:15:03] | justinh: | all it'd take for me to understand udev is reading a doc that takes it to bits & explains each term in non-kernel-dev talk |
| [15:15:26] | mzb_d800: | practice is a close alternative |
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| [15:16:44] | Andycasss: | Greyfoxx, where can i see the errors? |
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| [15:17:42] | GreyFoxx: | run mythfrontend from a console/xterm |
| [15:17:50] | GreyFoxx: | it will spit out messsages |
| [15:17:51] | Andycasss: | Oh, in that case, no errors |
| [15:17:57] | GreyFoxx: | They would no be included in a log |
| [15:20:13] | Andycasss: | Sorry, i had symlink on at that moment, ill reboot and try again |
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| [15:21:46] | GreyFoxx: | You shouldn't need to reboot |
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| [15:21:56] | GreyFoxx: | just remove the symlink and restart mythfrontend :) |
| [15:22:04] | GreyFoxx: | this isn't windows ;) |
| [15:22:22] | ali1234: | i'm starting to wonder, lately :( |
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| [15:23:39] | Andycasss: | It seems i get "permission denied" |
| [15:23:44] | Andycasss: | Should i chmod it? |
| [15:23:52] | ali1234: | it wont be stored |
| [15:23:56] | GreyFoxx: | what user is launching mythfrontend ? |
| [15:24:02] | Andycasss: | mythtv |
| [15:24:07] | ali1234: | i think you need to add your user to the cortrect group with gpasswd |
| [15:24:07] | GreyFoxx: | do an ls -la on the device, what is the permissions on it ? |
| [15:24:46] | justinh: | ooo oooo ooo ooo ! I won a free Wii & iPhone. oh wait. it's just an email |
| [15:25:01] | Andycasss: | crw-rw-----1 root plugdev 13, 0 |
| [15:25:08] | GreyFoxx: | that's the problem |
| [15:25:15] | GreyFoxx: | gpasswd -a mythtv plugdev |
| [15:25:19] | GreyFoxx: | (as root) |
| [15:25:37] | GreyFoxx: | then close the xterm and open a new one |
| [15:25:39] | GreyFoxx: | and try again |
| [15:25:52] | ali1234: | nah you have to log all the way out and in again |
| [15:26:08] | mzb_d800: | anykey_: pictures uploaded, I'll work on the details (inc circuit diagram later) :: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=83 |
| [15:26:18] | GreyFoxx: | I guess I'm use to configuring my machine to launch all xterms as full login shells |
| [15:26:25] | anykey_: | mzb_d800: thanks |
| [15:26:42] | GreyFoxx: | Andycasss: If you don't wanna log out, launch another xterm. xterm -ls |
| [15:26:51] | GreyFoxx: | will spawn another xterm as a new login |
| [15:26:53] | Andycasss: | I just rebooted |
| [15:26:56] | cal: | a couple days ago my mythtv started rewinding and fast fowarding really weierd.. it now jumps and pauses sporadicly and the audio doesnt keep in sync... not as fluid as it was before. any ideas? |
| [15:27:08] | seth|web: | justinh, if I wish to change the background of say just the "Videos" portion of a them, which file would I edit, an xml for video-ui ? |
| [15:27:27] | mzb_d800: | I've also turned the donkeyserver so that you can actually get bandwidth ;) |
| [15:28:01] | ** GreyFoxx goes to do some of the stuff he's actually paid to do during the day ** | |
| [15:28:06] | justinh: | seth|web: some parts of the ui code don't support backgrounds in individual pages – i.e. the background container isn't supported in -fixes & 0.20.2 |
| [15:28:16] | seth|web: | ah |
| [15:28:24] | justinh: | btw I wouldn't be keen on doing that – it eats memory |
| [15:28:58] | justinh: | what I try to do these days (learned since ProjectGheyhem) is to make one background & just put images on top to customise it |
| [15:29:09] | Andycasss: | Thanks GreyFoxx, it worked! |
| [15:29:21] | seth|web: | but "cinema.png" from the glass theme, looks like it woiuld be perfect for the videos. :-) |
| [15:29:45] | justinh: | seth|web: is it compatible with the licence you plan to release your theme as? |
| [15:30:41] | GreyFoxx: | hah, our main smtp server processed 1 million messages yesterday |
| [15:30:45] | GreyFoxx: | crazy |
| [15:31:06] | GreyFoxx: | 85% rejected as spam :/ |
| [15:31:14] | GreyFoxx: | spammers need to die |
| [15:31:34] | justinh: | 1336 page views since I started google analytics. not bad in 6 days for my site |
| [15:31:47] | GreyFoxx: | All drooling over Glass-Wide |
| [15:31:53] | mzb_d800: | GreyFoxx: hmm .. yep ... great fun when you have to do it manually ;) |
| [15:32:36] | justinh: | tempted to go for an earlier release than monday but I want to be sure it's ok |
| [15:33:06] | ali1234: | that looks pretty sweet |
| [15:33:21] | black_Nightmare_: | greyfoxx...heh...I only get a few spam a week... ^_^ |
| [15:33:23] | seth|web: | I can't wait until monday |
| [15:33:31] | justinh: | hahaha I've got an email complaining I've stopped people hotlinking my images |
| [15:33:36] | seth|web: | I'm off its a holiday |
| [15:33:40] | justinh: | awww bless |
| [15:33:50] | seth|web: | I can watch mythtv recordings all day, with a new theme |
| [15:34:14] | black_Nightmare_: | justin....heh like as if they had ANY brain to actually read what they wrote :p |
| [15:34:24] | GreyFoxx: | black_Nightmare_: I get maybe 3 or 4 a day through our filters. Maybe 500–700 a day get caught as spam. My personally account processes like 3000 messages a day in all the various lists and stuff I track :) |
| [15:34:59] | black_Nightmare_: | greyfoxx...heh I see |
| [15:35:00] | ** GreyFoxx is an information whore/packrat ** | |
| [15:35:02] | justinh: | if people wanna see my images, they can bloody well do so in their original context |
| [15:35:03] | GreyFoxx: | I keep it all |
| [15:35:18] | GreyFoxx: | I have every single email I've gotten both work and personal going back to 98 |
| [15:35:24] | black_Nightmare_: | justin....agreed |
| [15:35:42] | GreyFoxx: | and every single bit of source I've downloaded for all apps archived going back to 98 :) |
| [15:35:45] | black_Nightmare_: | greyfoxx...umm..how large is your email folder filesize wise? |
| [15:35:52] | GreyFoxx: | black_Nightmare_: several gig |
| [15:36:05] | black_Nightmare_: | 0_o |
| [15:36:13] | GreyFoxx: | imap is my b*tch. I make it scream in pain :) |
| [15:36:26] | justinh: | wow. here's a turnup for the books. biggest traffic source is mythtv.org |
| [15:36:48] | black_Nightmare_: | mine is heh like only barely about 9.2mb of text and the stripped-seperately photos/etc attachments hmm I can't remember what it was right now |
| [15:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't archive the spam of course |
| [15:37:04] | GreyFoxx: | but the rest gets kept |
| [15:37:11] | justinh: | tonight is screenshots night |
| [15:37:13] | GreyFoxx: | It's saved my ass many times :) |
| [15:37:31] | mzb_d800: | >2:30am gnite all |
| [15:38:13] | ** justinh grabs two T2F codec cards ** | |
| [15:38:23] | black_Nightmare_: | well this 9.2mb goes back to about scattered several from '96-ish for the note |
| [15:38:31] | black_Nightmare_: | ^_^ |
| [15:38:47] | black_Nightmare_: | (funny is thats about the same year as the first internet-able system anyhow) |
| [15:39:08] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [15:39:28] | GreyFoxx: | I need a google for my mail |
| [15:39:42] | GreyFoxx: | most mail search/indexing apps I find are often slow or missing something |
| [15:39:50] | black_Nightmare_: | I just open the file..hit cmd+F and pick the words I wanted and thats it |
| [15:39:54] | black_Nightmare_: | :-> |
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| [15:40:12] | fryfrog: | GreyFoxx: google does hosted domains email |
| [15:40:20] | fryfrog: | my fryfrog.com domain is hosted on gmail |
| [15:40:47] | GreyFoxx: | I want my own google box itself. We have several colo clients with them |
| [15:40:54] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [15:41:03] | fryfrog: | you mean the little google search appliance? |
| [15:41:05] | fryfrog: | that'd rule :) |
| [15:41:07] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [15:42:35] | seth|web: | so has anyone written I nice little script to pull in last.fm streams on mythtv yet |
| [15:42:36] | Andycasss: | Weird, i cant forward/rewind with gamepad, tho i can control osd and such options |
| [15:42:46] | ** seth|web supposes he should have googled it first ** | |
| [15:42:49] | Andycasss: | the left/right work in menus |
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| [16:30:10] | seth|web: | question, which myhplugin contains the thumbnail generator |
| [16:30:10] | Ryushin: | Is there anyway to query myth to see if it's completely idle? Not recording anything, running any jobs such as comflagging or transcoding. The reason I'm asking I want to put a check in before I execute mythrename.pl. If saw it run once while a job was transcoding and that show got erased. |
| [16:30:10] | hashbang: | seth|web: for recordings? Isn't that the backend? |
| [16:40:21] | seth|web: | the thumbnail generator for mythvideo, sorry |
| [16:40:44] | GreyFoxx: | There is no such thing |
| [16:41:18] | GreyFoxx: | The images people see in the Gallery view come from the imdb.pl scripts and such when they import the info about the video |
| [16:41:35] | GreyFoxx: | there is no thumbnail generator built in for making them for you |
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| [16:46:38] | seth|web: | ah, I see now |
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| [16:46:58] | seth|web: | I wondered, why it was on my knoppmyth box, and not on this gentoo box |
| [16:46:59] | Sedorox: | GreyFoxx: have you had a chance to check out the IEGD 8.0 driver? I can't remember if that was the one we played with, but I don't believe so |
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| [17:03:29] | tcpsyn: | man, I need a dedicated frontend. |
| [17:03:37] | tcpsyn: | this dual head thing is getting annoying. |
| [17:03:43] | tcpsyn: | but then again, I'm also done spending money |
| [17:03:50] | tcpsyn: | so.. I guess I'll deal and stop bitching. |
| [17:03:52] | tcpsyn: | </rant> |
| [17:05:57] | ali1234: | anybody got a ready made channel logo pack for UK freeview? |
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| [17:15:16] | Ryushin: | xris: Does mythrename.pl check to see if any shows are being transcoded or comflagged? Looking at my log, it seems that if mythrename.pl runs while a recording is being transcoded, that recording ends up vanishing. |
| [17:15:31] | xris: | I doubt it does |
| [17:16:49] | Ryushin: | I guess the thing is that tmp file that is being created doesn't exist when the trancode finishes. |
| [17:17:14] | xris: | probably |
| [17:17:16] | Ryushin: | Is there some kind of shell check that I can do to query the myth backend to see if it's idle. |
| [17:17:36] | xris: | no. would be easy to look at the jobqueue table, though |
| [17:17:59] | ali1234: | the problem with that is, that there is no guarantee it will still be idle when you start renaming files |
| [17:18:10] | Ryushin: | I guess I can write a script to check for transcode and comflag processes and if it encounters one, it would abort the running of the mythrename. |
| [17:18:35] | xris: | commflag shouldn't matter |
| [17:18:43] | ali1234: | can't you just run the renamer as a custom job? |
| [17:18:44] | xris: | I think you're right about the tmp file thing |
| [17:18:46] | Ryushin: | True, I'm just being paranoid now. |
| [17:19:53] | Ryushin: | It would be nice if the renamer script didn't have to exist, and it was selectable inside myth to record the show with the name and date on it. |
| [17:20:14] | xris: | not sure why no one has ever added that |
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| [17:22:00] | Ryushin: | I guess I'll write a little shell script to see if there are any transcode processes, and if not, have it run at a non 15 minute increment in the hour once per day. Something like 37 minutes after the hour. |
| [17:22:55] | Ryushin: | I originally had it in cron.daily. It's been bugging me why some recordings have been vanishing. I first I thought it was JFS crapping out. |
| [17:23:52] | Ryushin: | Then I noticed, for the most part it was HD shows that were going away, and those take the longest to transcode and were still transcoding when the script ran. |
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| [17:24:17] | bsdfox_: | Ryushin: I've run mythrename while transcoding and it seems to work fine |
| [17:25:24] | ali1234: | with my previous install of mythtv, any attempt to transcode any file resulted in that file disappearing with no errors logged or anything |
| [17:25:32] | Ryushin: | Don't know what to say then. According to the log file, the tmp file had changed and when the transcode finished, the file wasn't there anymore |
| [17:26:29] | Ryushin: | So transcode was nuking the files when it errored out maybe? |
| [17:27:19] | Ryushin: | Well, I've just turned off rename for the time being. If I have no missing shows in the next 3 weeks, then I would have to say that was the culprit. |
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| [17:48:37] | cal: | recently, when I fast forward and rewind... the video jumps and pauses and the audio is out of sync.. not fluid like it used to be... what could cause this? |
| [17:53:46] | Andycasss: | Where can i find the randomize key under "edit keys"? |
| [17:53:53] | Andycasss: | I couldnt find it under "music" |
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| [17:56:54] | tcpsyn: | lscal, I have the same issue |
| [17:56:58] | tcpsyn: | cal, rather. |
| [17:57:12] | tcpsyn: | with the latest svn |
| [17:57:44] | iamlindoro_: | I would think that would be related to the new ffmpeg sync in your case, tcpsyn |
| [17:58:01] | tcpsyn: | new ffmpeg sync? |
| [17:58:36] | bsdfox_: | iamlindoro: that h264 script works pretty well |
| [17:58:38] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, Early this week the ffmpeg was completely replaced with a far newer revision |
| [17:58:47] | bsdfox_: | my backend is a little slow for it but the quality is good |
| [17:58:52] | iamlindoro_: | bsdfox, glad you like it... hope you're using version 2 :) |
| [17:58:53] | bsdfox_: | thanks |
| [17:58:57] | bsdfox_: | yeah I am :) |
| [17:58:59] | iamlindoro_: | no problem at all, happy to share |
| [17:59:07] | tcpsyn: | oh. |
| [17:59:08] | tcpsyn: | right. |
| [17:59:10] | tcpsyn: | that could do it |
| [18:00:19] | iamlindoro_: | bsdfox_, it flies on a quad... About 2x real time (which I guess isn't "flying," but it's better than running it on a single proc) :) |
| [18:00:47] | bsdfox_: | heh, my backend is a amd64 3200+ w/ 512 ram :P |
| [18:01:14] | iamlindoro_: | It's all the same in the end ;) |
| [18:01:57] | Andycasss: | Anyone? Where can i find the randomize key under "edit keys"? |
| [18:02:14] | Andycasss: | (for MythMusic) |
| [18:02:27] | tcpsyn: | no idea |
| [18:02:29] | cal: | tcp: yeah its hard to explain but its just not as fluid when fast forwarding... and the audio doesnt fast forward along with it. |
| [18:02:59] | tcpsyn: | not going to rollback? |
| [18:03:14] | cal: | me? |
| [18:04:56] | iamlindoro_: | andycasss, I assume it would use the word "shuffle" in some way |
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| [18:13:48] | Andycasss: | lindoro, nope still cant find it :( |
| [18:14:00] | Andycasss: | I really need this for my remote.. |
| [18:16:54] | tcpsyn: | no, I meant is it a plan to roll ffmpeg |
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| [18:19:06] | iamlindoro_: | tcpsyn, nope, they are going with this revision as far as I know |
| [18:19:17] | tcpsyn: | whats the benefit? |
| [18:19:19] | tcpsyn: | do you know |
| [18:19:26] | iamlindoro_: | Tons of beenfits |
| [18:19:43] | iamlindoro_: | like adding new compatible formats, multi-CPU h.264 playback, bug fixes, etc. |
| [18:21:38] | tcpsyn: | word |
| [18:21:47] | tcpsyn: | I am on the most ridiculous conference call of my life right now. |
| [18:21:53] | directhex: | this is the super sexy update that makes playing european HD possible |
| [18:22:02] | tcpsyn: | ohh |
| [18:22:04] | tcpsyn: | nice |
| [18:22:17] | Dibblah: | directhex|work: You sure about that? |
| [18:22:35] | Dibblah: | ... It firstly needs multithreaded decoding enabled... |
| [18:22:45] | directhex: | Dibblah, the code is in place. whether or not it's enabled is another issue |
| [18:22:49] | Dibblah: | Then it needs a demux fix, I think,... |
| [18:23:06] | directhex: | Dibblah, the answer to the question is "soon" instead of "no" now when people ask 'can my cpu play hd' |
| [18:23:17] | Dibblah: | Indeed. |
| [18:23:24] | Dibblah: | It's definitely a good thing :) |
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| [18:24:58] | Andycasss: | Noone knows where to change the suffle key? |
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| [18:26:29] | directhex: | i need to reboot my router |
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| [18:26:48] | tcpsyn: | andycasss, maybe if you ask just one more time. |
| [18:26:57] | visit0r: | how does mythtv detect channels as encrypted? |
| [18:26:59] | visit0r: | based on what? |
| [18:27:13] | directhex: | whether they're marked as encrypted or not! |
| [18:28:32] | visit0r: | ;) |
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| [18:32:06] | visit0r: | it detects them wrongly as encrypted once again, is there a way to force it to add the channels to the list regardless? |
| [18:32:57] | iamlindoro_: | Uncheck the "ignore encrypted channels" thingie |
| [18:33:21] | iamlindoro_: | It's right by "allow music only channels" |
| [18:33:53] | visit0r: | ah found it. thanks |
| [18:34:16] | visit0r: | now it seems to add them nicely... great. they are showing paid channels for free in my cable this weekend and for some reason mythtv still detects them encrypted.. |
| [18:34:50] | iamlindoro_: | They may well *be* encrypted, regardless of being free |
| [18:35:59] | visit0r: | hmm |
| [18:36:08] | visit0r: | shouldn't it require CAM then? |
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| [18:36:56] | iamlindoro_: | Couldn't tell ya, no idea about any of that CAM/CI/blah blah DRM stuff |
| [18:37:17] | visit0r: | well me neither, but I mean a card capable of decrypting stuff. |
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| [18:38:19] | iamlindoro_: | Well, I note that you're in Finland, so it's a little different than where I am... I know that DVB DRM is handled differently... Here we have to have a full STB from the cable co (or a cable "card", which isn't a card) |
| [18:38:35] | iamlindoro_: | Ergo my ignorance of CAM/CI stuff :) |
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| [18:52:54] | Andycasss: | Where is the configuration file for "edit keys"? |
| [18:53:01] | Andycasss: | Or is it a db |
| [18:53:54] | GreyFoxx: | It's all in the databsae |
| [18:53:57] | GreyFoxx: | database |
| [18:57:33] | Andycasss: | Are there some hidden keys there? Or is it the same as in frontend |
| [18:58:06] | GreyFoxx: | well, if they are in the databse, they are available to the frontend |
| [18:58:13] | GreyFoxx: | If that is what you mean |
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| [19:01:35] | Andycasss: | Meh, I was trying to find a shuffle key for mythmusic, it turns out it was the "1" under "global"... |
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| [19:35:18] | BenB: | hey :-) |
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| [19:37:26] | stuarta: | ouch, chilli in my nose |
| [19:38:28] | Andycasss: | Hmm my mythtv font has changed to smaller for no reason. |
| [19:38:36] | Andycasss: | Or the resolution.. one of those |
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| [20:19:15] | Kernel: | hello all. i have a pvr-150 and sometimes when i change channels i lose sound.(sometimes picture goes black and white also) ....the only solution ive found is to reboot...which is quite a pain beause ive had this happen several times in a day. |
| [20:19:47] | ** justinh cries. missed a t5200 CPU for £27 & a T7200 for £5.00 :( ** | |
| [20:25:14] | Ryushin: | Kernel: what version of ivtv are you running? |
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| [20:30:04] | CharlieSu: | this work w/ mythtv http://www.miglia.com/tvmicroexpress/ ? |
| [20:30:20] | Dibblah: | justinh: They'll come round again. |
| [20:30:35] | justinh: | CharlieSu: if there are _linux_ drivers for it, yesh |
| [20:30:49] | Dibblah: | And use jbidwatcher & friends ;) |
| [20:31:05] | Dibblah: | Helps in the "setting a price" thing too. |
| [20:31:10] | justinh: | Dibblah: yeah I'm sure they will. called in at my friendly local emporium in search of so-dimm ram tonight. none in stock :( |
| [20:31:35] | justinh: | well, none that didn't have flashing LEDs on them & cost under 2 gazillion pounds |
| [20:31:36] | CharlieSu: | justinh: that is what i'm asking.. sorry |
| [20:31:46] | justinh: | CharlieSu: doesn't appear so |
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| [20:33:07] | justinh: | CharlieSu: if in any doubt, search the linuxtv.org & video4linux mailing lists |
| [20:33:56] | tcpsyn: | man. |
| [20:34:00] | tcpsyn: | Now I'm kinda sad. |
| [20:34:06] | justinh: | I think next time I'm passing a PC World I'll just buy a gig stick of so-dimm from there. only a fiver on top of what MicroDirect charge |
| [20:34:19] | tcpsyn: | I got the 7.1 surround sound jazz, hdtv, myth working with digital audio. |
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| [20:34:27] | tcpsyn: | now what am I gonna spend my time and money on. |
| [20:34:30] | justinh: | woo come to think about it, if I just happen to have a printout of ebuyer's price.. :D |
| [20:34:50] | justinh: | tcpsyn: spend your time enjoying what you've set up, maybe? |
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| [20:35:04] | tcpsyn: | You know what I enjoy... |
| [20:35:05] | tcpsyn: | 24. |
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| [20:35:12] | tcpsyn: | and they gone and messed it up on me. |
| [20:35:22] | justinh: | or upgrade everything to ubuntu Horrible Hedgehog & spend time fixing it all again |
| [20:35:28] | iamlindoro_: | tcpsyn, sounds like it's all squared away now, huh? |
| [20:35:35] | tcpsyn: | not completely. |
| [20:35:59] | tcpsyn: | I bounced it and then I had to mess with it to get it working again, I'm not sure if it's gonna come back up when I bounce it. |
| [20:36:07] | tcpsyn: | and I'm getting a few dropouts. |
| [20:36:36] | iamlindoro_: | Hrm... well I suppose perfect is too much to ask :) |
| [20:36:38] | justinh: | CharlieSu: chances are you know, that usb tuner for Macs actually uses a chipset that's supported in linux but I gave up looking after the 6th results page on google :P |
| [20:36:46] | tcpsyn: | other than that. |
| [20:36:50] | tcpsyn: | it's pretty close to perfect. |
| [20:36:59] | CharlieSu: | justinh: yeah.. same.. lol |
| [20:37:03] | justinh: | CharlieSu: so if it _does_ work, you're fairly unlikely to find much evidence of it |
| [20:37:04] | tcpsyn: | trunk improved my xvmc drastically. |
| [20:37:07] | tcpsyn: | not sure why |
| [20:37:15] | justinh: | a lot like PAL TVout support on a mac mini in linux |
| [20:37:16] | tcpsyn: | but... it uses about half the cpu it was using. |
| [20:37:32] | justinh: | tcpsyn: ffmpeg syncage, probably |
| [20:37:38] | CharlieSu: | justinh: know of anything that works for a MacMini as a backend+frontend ?? US tuner |
| [20:37:47] | tcpsyn: | xvmc uses ffmpeg? |
| [20:38:09] | justinh: | tcpsyn: mythtv uses ffmpeg libs |
| [20:38:30] | justinh: | CharlieSu: no idea, all I've heard about mac minis as backends was with firewire |
| [20:38:43] | CharlieSu: | justinh: ahh.. straight to a DVR huh? |
| [20:38:57] | justinh: | CharlieSu: straight from a cable box |
| [20:39:04] | bsdfox__: | CharlieSu: you can get usb tuners |
| [20:39:04] | iamlindoro_: | Sharliesu, HDHomerun |
| [20:39:05] | CharlieSu: | justinh: yeah.. i don't have cable box at all. |
| [20:39:14] | CharlieSu: | bsdfox__: any suggestions? |
| [20:39:19] | justinh: | oh yeah hdhomerun works in linux |
| [20:39:20] | bsdfox__: | hauppauge |
| [20:39:40] | justinh: | seen mixed reports about hauppauge pvr usb jobbies in linux |
| [20:39:48] | tcpsyn: | I was thinking of changing from cable to directtv |
| [20:39:56] | tcpsyn: | but then I'd need 2 stbs |
| [20:40:01] | justinh: | best thing to do with usb tuners is DVB or HDTV |
| [20:40:01] | tcpsyn: | and that would be ugly |
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| [20:42:43] | Ryushin: | Found a wicked little mini-itx board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153077 |
| [20:43:10] | justinh: | Ryushin: if it's a mini-itx board which'll take a regular CPU, go for it. otherwise, AVOID |
| [20:43:17] | Ryushin: | when I build a new front end next year, I'm going to consider that. Just don't know how good the Intel dvi video is. |
| [20:43:23] | Ryushin: | It's take a core2 duo. |
| [20:44:26] | justinh: | cool. just saying that to discourage folks buying a puny thing with a lame Via CPU onboard. relying on mpeg acceleration sucks. my 1ghz epia can't even play sdtv mpeg2 all the time ffs |
| [20:45:04] | bsdfox__: | anyone using a directtv remote with lirc by chance? |
| [20:45:19] | iamlindoro_: | bsdfox, I used to |
| [20:45:25] | iamlindoro_: | I think it's still in my lircd.conf |
| [20:45:44] | iamlindoro_: | And djbeenie just set one up the other day |
| [20:45:52] | bsdfox__: | intel has a new board coming out that should be ok for frontends |
| [20:46:03] | bsdfox__: | d201gly2 I think |
| [20:46:05] | bsdfox__: | $68 |
| [20:46:42] | iamlindoro_: | Herm, I gazed at that and read it as Dee-too-ugly |
| [20:50:21] | CharlieSu: | Anyone gotten playback for iPhone or new iPod Touch working yet? |
| [20:50:36] | CharlieSu: | through mythweb that is |
| [20:50:55] | iamlindoro_: | Mmmmmm no. that's not going to work |
| [20:51:18] | iamlindoro_: | The player in mythweb is flash, and the iphone has no flash, and it has no media player to stream to if you wanted to do that. |
| [20:51:58] | CharlieSu: | iamlindoro_: i know it has been done.. http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Streaming_to . . . ch_or_iPhone |
| [20:52:06] | iamlindoro_: | No "open" media player, that is, and the ipod music/movie player doesn't do any sort of streaming |
| [20:52:08] | CharlieSu: | but those instructions don't work for people running trunk |
| [20:53:16] | iamlindoro_: | Hrm, interesting, I stand corrected |
| [20:53:17] | justinh: | what's an 'iPhone' ? ;) |
| [20:54:08] | CharlieSu: | iamlindoro_: yeah.. would be cool to do.. I'm very intrested in being able to sit on the toilet and watch TV on my iphone :) |
| [20:54:11] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, looks like it basically emulates the quicktime trailers type functionality, interesting |
| [20:54:56] | justinh: | is time in people's lives so short now they have to watch tv while they do their daily ablutions? |
| [20:55:08] | CharlieSu: | hah.. my life yes... |
| [20:55:16] | CharlieSu: | sucks |
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| [20:55:44] | mchou: | That's way TMI |
| [20:56:03] | mchou: | ecoli infection from iphone |
| [20:56:11] | mchou: | yuck |
| [20:56:11] | CharlieSu: | mchou: is it really? considering the number of times your going to crap in your life? |
| [20:56:59] | mchou: | CharlieSu: It's not my fault you're full of s-h-i-t :) |
| [20:57:10] | CharlieSu: | mchou: i'm not wiping w/ my phone... lol |
| [20:57:20] | justinh: | think how much time you could save by not having to go to the toilet! i mean all those minutes must quite literally add up to what.. whole months of your life! |
| [20:57:23] | stuarta: | most peoples office desks are worse than the toilet seat |
| [20:57:32] | CharlieSu: | stuarta: agreed |
| [20:57:48] | mchou: | stuarta: only if they eat on their desks |
| [20:57:52] | justinh: | is that why some people I meet at geek functions smell like they've gone in their pants? |
| [20:58:19] | ** justinh apologises if anybody here is currently eating, or is about to eat ** | |
| [20:59:03] | mchou: | CharlieSu: if you really wanna save time, I suggest a colostomy bag |
| [20:59:25] | justinh: | they have pouches for those iGadgets.. just buy two and some tubing |
| [20:59:28] | CharlieSu: | mchou: i'm not trying to save time.. I'm trying to enjoy my time better.. |
| [20:59:42] | mchou: | that way you only need to go to the bathroom when it's full |
| [20:59:47] | stuarta: | there's a video somewhere of an iPhone in a blender. |
| [20:59:55] | justinh: | willitblend.com |
| [21:00:25] | mchou: | yeah, but there is no picture of iphone with someone on the can |
| [21:00:45] | justinh: | there's a new ad in that somehow I reckon |
| [21:01:09] | mchou: | well need to make CharlieSu the model for that one |
| [21:01:16] | mchou: | we'll* |
| [21:01:20] | iamlindoro_: | Sounds like a new application for the iPod "touch..." |
| [21:01:24] | mchou: | lol |
| [21:01:27] | justinh: | blacked out silhouette of somebody on the crapper, signature white headphones in place, iThing in one hand... |
| [21:01:36] | justinh: | you zoom in by 'wiping' ? |
| [21:01:42] | mchou: | lol |
| [21:01:49] | iamlindoro_: | "Mom!!! Don't come in here!" |
| [21:02:13] | iamlindoro_: | "I'm.... I'm naked! (rushes to pause video)" |
| [21:02:19] | justinh: | of course for frustrated teens, maybe the littlest room is the only place they get enough privacy to watch their iPorn |
| [21:02:34] | mchou: | what?? |
| [21:02:49] | mchou: | teenagers get plenty of privacy |
| [21:02:50] | justinh: | "the iGadget.. now with wipe-clean screen" |
| [21:03:03] | iamlindoro_: | Protein-proof |
| [21:04:16] | mchou: | add a bluetooth "toy" and bob's your uncle :) |
| [21:04:38] | iamlindoro_: | I can see the keynote now. "We think it's great. It's the best iPorn we've ever made. And it's available today... for $399." |
| [21:04:57] | mchou: | until the batteries run out :) |
| [21:05:08] | ** iamlindoro_ is embarassed that he has watched enough Jobsnotes to know his lines. ** | |
| [21:05:39] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: not to mention the price will be reduced by $200 a month later |
| [21:05:43] | iamlindoro_: | Hahaha, true |
| [21:05:56] | iamlindoro_: | But you'll get a $100 gift card to buy more sweet sweet apple schwag |
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| [21:06:19] | mchou: | get ripped coming and going |
| [21:06:32] | justinh: | I think we're all missing the point about iPorn. Isn't anything with a lower-case 'i' in front of its name porn to a lot of people anyway? ;) |
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| [21:06:56] | justinh: | been on the news all day about the saddos queuing for their iPhone in london :-\ |
| [21:07:04] | iamlindoro_: | It gives me a power mac in my pants, that's for sure. |
| [21:07:18] | mchou: | justinh: no, it's all about the different kinds of gratification |
| [21:07:31] | justinh: | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHH! |
| [21:07:33] | justinh: | that kind of thing? |
| [21:07:38] | iamlindoro_: | hahahaha |
| [21:08:05] | mchou: | electronics is never as "immediate" as pron |
| [21:08:15] | iamlindoro_: | Makes me want to double click my mighty mouse. |
| [21:08:56] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: ever seen the iFlea commercial? |
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| [21:09:14] | iamlindoro_: | Hahaha, yes |
| [21:09:27] | mchou: | that's what I'm TALKING about |
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| [21:11:54] | mchou: | I dunno, gotta give kudos to Jobs though |
| [21:12:18] | mchou: | desktops have long been dying |
| [21:12:52] | mchou: | at least he say the writing on the wall long ago for that |
| [21:13:06] | mchou: | s/say/saw |
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| [21:14:56] | fryfrog: | anyone svn up'd in the last few hours? |
| [21:15:07] | iamlindoro_: | naw, last did it yesterday |
| [21:15:16] | iamlindoro_: | But I think it's only been a revision or two |
| [21:15:24] | fryfrog: | and you aren't seeing any problems? |
| [21:15:35] | fryfrog: | mine is now crashing after it schedules the shows :/ |
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| [21:15:50] | iamlindoro_: | No, improvements in fact, several segfaults fixed in menus and mythtv-setup |
| [21:15:59] | mchou: | bah, that's nothing |
| [21:16:21] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog, I haven't seen that behavior on my system |
| [21:16:26] | floppyears: | does stuff in svn break frequently ? |
| [21:16:28] | iamlindoro_: | Seems to be humming along ok |
| [21:16:42] | _V_: | Does anyone know if there is a tuner card that I can go pick up at fry's, best buy, etc that will be able to capture digital and hd signal from my time warnner cable service? |
| [21:16:47] | fryfrog: | floppyears: a long time ago, i think it used to be bad, then it was nice. |
| [21:16:54] | fryfrog: | this is the first real issue i've had in a while :/ |
| [21:17:01] | floppyears: | fryfrog: ah |
| [21:17:06] | fryfrog: | fortunatly, the db schema didn't change so i *could* go back a few revisions |
| [21:17:07] | iamlindoro_: | _V_, Fry's carries the KWorld 115 |
| [21:17:12] | mchou: | _V_: yeah, it's called firewire |
| [21:17:36] | _V_: | mchou funny |
| [21:17:39] | fryfrog: | _V_: even with a QAM tuner card, it'll still be a fight to get working. |
| [21:17:42] | iamlindoro_: | but you will only be able to get unencrypted QAM channels, ie probably just local broadcast |
| [21:17:52] | mchou: | _V_: i'M BEING DEAD SERIOUS |
| [21:18:00] | fryfrog: | The best way to do it is firewire from an STB, and even *then* it might not output unencrypted data |
| [21:18:05] | mchou: | opps capslock on by accident |
| [21:18:54] | iamlindoro_: | 'course you would probably be able to get whatever local access channel there is where some fat chick teaches yoga at 4 AM... |
| [21:19:02] | iamlindoro_: | But I digress |
| [21:19:34] | CharlieSu: | i love fat chicks.. yumm |
| [21:19:57] | floppyears: | right now I have sd tv |
| [21:20:00] | justinh: | hmm I see 'free webpage templates' still look like puke on a bad day |
| [21:20:02] | iamlindoro_: | Then have I got a public access channel for you |
| [21:20:07] | floppyears: | in a couple of years, I'll probably upgrade to digital |
| [21:20:11] | _V_: | iamlindoro_ dont see a 115 on there site will the 120 work? |
| [21:20:15] | iamlindoro_: | NO |
| [21:20:17] | floppyears: | does mythtv work well with digital hd services ? |
| [21:20:17] | _V_: | fryfrog how so? |
| [21:20:19] | iamlindoro_: | Do NOT buy a 120, hahaha |
| [21:20:24] | iamlindoro_: | from someone who made that mistake |
| [21:20:37] | iamlindoro_: | The tuner chip is not yet supported... will be eventually, but not yet. |
| [21:21:02] | _V_: | mchou oh sorry... I only have one set top box and i doubt my roommates would let me use it for this |
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| [21:21:10] | iamlindoro_: | floppyears, it does so long as they're unencrypted :) |
| [21:21:36] | mchou: | _V_: what's it cost to get another STB? |
| [21:21:44] | floppyears: | iamlindoro_: do most service providers use unencrypted signals ? |
| [21:21:46] | iamlindoro_: | _V_, I think I also bought a Pinnacle PCHDTV there, I believe that works |
| [21:21:50] | iamlindoro_: | floppyears, no |
| [21:22:07] | iamlindoro_: | er pctv hd |
| [21:22:07] | floppyears: | iamlindoro_: which ones do ? |
| [21:22:12] | _V_: | ~ $20 per month |
| [21:22:14] | iamlindoro_: | floppyears, none of them, in general |
| [21:22:20] | mchou: | _V_: there is no reason to get a QAM card if you intend to use cable |
| [21:22:21] | floppyears: | dam that sucks |
| [21:22:31] | iamlindoro_: | some/many do leave lnetwork tv unencrypted, though |
| [21:22:35] | mchou: | _V_: wow, what a rip |
| [21:22:47] | iamlindoro_: | so you can get NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, etc in HD over QAM in many places |
| [21:22:57] | iamlindoro_: | and some people are lucky enough to get everything, but they are the exception and not the rule. |
| [21:23:07] | mchou: | network TV is never encrypted per order of FCC |
| [21:23:15] | floppyears: | ah |
| [21:23:46] | mchou: | those ppl that are finding network TV encrypted will get big $ |
| [21:23:55] | iamlindoro_: | That's the rule, but some break it, btw, I have talked to a few people whose network tv is encrypted, in spite of illegality :) |
| [21:24:00] | mchou: | or they are screwing up royally |
| [21:24:03] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, would be nice :) |
| [21:24:05] | _V_: | Yeah no kidding, thats why I am trying to find a tuner I can just get at the store that will handle digital cable... Really hoping to find something I can get on my way home so I can start on the project tonight.... Anyone have any other idea? |
| [21:24:30] | mchou: | _V_: where you live? |
| [21:24:53] | _V_: | mchou SD |
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| [21:25:02] | mchou: | SD? |
| [21:25:03] | _V_: | mchou sorry San Diego |
| [21:25:07] | mchou: | lol |
| [21:25:16] | mchou: | you didnt get smoked out? |
| [21:25:54] | _V_: | mchou no but I got evacuated so I just went up to stay at my gf's in Madison for a week :) |
| [21:26:20] | iamlindoro_: | _V_, you probably want anything here: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCI_Cards |
| [21:26:23] | mchou: | Madison, WI? |
| [21:26:48] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, and the other card I found at Fry's was the AverTVHD A180, that worked well. |
| [21:26:49] | _V_: | iamlindoro_ I thought ATSC was OTA? |
| [21:27:00] | _V_: | mchou yep |
| [21:27:07] | mchou: | ATSC is OTA |
| [21:27:11] | iamlindoro_: | ATSC is the format, you just want it to say "YES" under QAM |
| [21:27:15] | mchou: | QAM is coax |
| [21:27:27] | clivesay: | I'm trying to crawl before I walk. I hope someone can answer a question I can't seem to google. I have a vhs-c camcorder plugged into a hauppauge 150 pci card. I see the ivtv driver and it appears my card is in lspci. My camcorder is plugged into the video and audio rca jacks. I cannot seem to see the video on my PC. Am I missing a step? Any help is greatly appreciated. |
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| [21:27:57] | mchou: | clivesay: that's not a myth question |
| [21:28:13] | mchou: | clivesay: and read ivtv docs |
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| [21:28:30] | _V_: | iamlindoro_ you used the A180 with MythTV? |
| [21:28:30] | mchou: | tells you how to select the source |
| [21:28:34] | clivesay: | sorry, I'm trying to learn this before going to mythtv. |
| [21:28:35] | iamlindoro_: | _V_, yes |
| [21:28:48] | clivesay: | thanks anyway |
| [21:29:02] | _V_: | iamlindoro_ And you managed to capture digital / hd over coax? |
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| [21:29:06] | iamlindoro_: | Yes |
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| [21:29:19] | iamlindoro_: | You just need any linux compatible ATSC card with QAM support. |
| [21:29:27] | iamlindoro_: | anything on that list I linked with a "yes" under QAM |
| [21:29:36] | _V_: | iamlindoro_ any complaints about the card? |
| [21:30:00] | iamlindoro_: | Nope, none yet. These are very simple cards, hard to go wrong. All they do is capture the Mpeg stream and dump it to disk. |
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| [21:30:09] | iamlindoro_: | No encoding or anything. |
| [21:31:10] | mchou: | except there are many screwed up QAM cards on the market |
| [21:31:15] | _V_: | iamlindoro_ cool I guess I will buy a big HD while I am there... Is there anything special that I will need to do to get this working with digital / hd / movie channels? I was going to get Mythbuntu if it makes a differance |
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| [21:31:43] | iamlindoro_: | _V_, your Movie channels and other extended cable, as everyone has told you, will likely not work |
| [21:31:53] | iamlindoro_: | you will only probably be able to get network TV on this. |
| [21:32:08] | iamlindoro_: | Some people experience different, but that is the likely outcome. |
| [21:32:20] | sebrock: | I'm trying to debug ACPI Suspend, following linus post says to enable PM_TRACE and PM_DEBUG, where do I enable this? |
| [21:32:27] | mchou: | _V_: go buy a HDTivo and get it over with :) |
| [21:32:29] | iamlindoro_: | Because your extended cable and movie channels are, almost without doubt, encrypted. |
| [21:33:08] | mchou: | there's a simple way to find out since he already has the STB |
| [21:33:09] | _V_: | iamlindoro_ so I can expect to get the basic 125 channels and a couple hd and thats pretty much it? |
| [21:33:16] | mchou: | _V_: no |
| [21:33:25] | iamlindoro_: | Many of us have two tuner cards, one for netowrk/whatever else is unencrytped in HD, and an analog card for the other stuff |
| [21:33:34] | mchou: | _V_: you get max 20 viewable channels |
| [21:33:34] | _V_: | mchou need to run it through my computer :) |
| [21:33:34] | iamlindoro_: | you can expect five or so channels, and some random crap. |
| [21:34:10] | mchou: | _V_: you need to do no such thing |
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| [21:34:32] | mchou: | the service menu will tell you what's encrypted and whats not |
| [21:34:41] | mchou: | all you need is hook up the TV |
| [21:34:57] | _V_: | mchou yeah I really do, no coax in the room with my tv |
| [21:35:11] | mchou: | _V_: so? |
| [21:35:26] | mchou: | _V_: walk over to the STB in the other room |
| [21:35:36] | mchou: | what's so difficult about that? |
| [21:35:50] | _V_: | So a HDTivo won't help if I cant connect it to the tv and coax at the same time |
| [21:36:07] | mchou: | _V_: huh??? |
| [21:36:20] | _V_: | <mchou> _V_: go buy a HDTivo and get it over with :) |
| [21:36:23] | mchou: | wtf |
| [21:36:47] | BULLE: | connect tivo to the tv, program it, carry tivo to some other room, connect it to stb, let it record, then carry the tivo back to tv room and connect it to tv ? |
| [21:37:06] | mchou: | HDTivo with cablecard records all channels you're legitimately subscribed to |
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| [21:38:14] | djc__: | If I use mytharchive to make a 'native' archive on optical media, can that archive be played on a foreign mythtv system? |
| [21:38:19] | mchou: | BULLE: wtf are you talking about? |
| [21:38:37] | mchou: | djc__: huh?? |
| [21:38:49] | djc__: | This is the mythtv channel, not the tivo channel, BULLE |
| [21:39:26] | djc__: | mchou, If I made an archive on my mythtv system, and I take it to a friends house who also has mythtv, will it play there? |
| [21:39:38] | mchou: | ppl are asking some strange questions today |
| [21:39:52] | djc__: | doesnt seem that strange of a question |
| [21:39:54] | mchou: | djc__: why wouldnt it? |
| [21:40:02] | mchou: | it's data |
| [21:40:13] | djc__: | I dont know, thats why I asked.. not sure if it was somehow bound to the original system |
| [21:40:16] | mchou: | he has the right codecs then it can be played |
| [21:40:41] | mchou: | djc__: dude, you've been drinking the MSFT koolaid too long |
| [21:40:49] | BULLE: | mchou: it was the only way i could come up with, on how to use a tivo without having it connected to cable and tv at the same time |
| [21:41:04] | BULLE: | djc__: i was not the one that started talking about tivo, heck, tivo isnt even on sale here |
| [21:41:12] | mchou: | BULLE: huh?? |
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| [21:41:30] | djc__: | basically im intenting to have two mythtv systems, but each standalone, and I dont want either dependent on the other, but still want to be able to exchange recordings between the two |
| [21:41:42] | mchou: | wheter the STB is encrypted or not has nothing to do with Tivo |
| [21:42:13] | BULLE: | there is so much confusion about what we are talking bout, i think its just time to drop this particular tivo discussion |
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| [21:42:41] | djc__: | my question has nothing to do with BULLE's, or with Tivo.. and FYI, I tasted the MSFT koolaid exactly once, when win 3.1 was released.. I spit it out, and have never touched the stuff since |
| [21:42:47] | mchou: | you dont need anything but the STB and a TV to find out what channels are clear/encrypted |
| [21:43:06] | mchou: | djc__: so what? |
| [21:43:35] | mchou: | djc__: you arent the only person asking questions in the channel |
| [21:43:51] | _V_: | mchou, ok I miss understood what you are talking... but it sounds like this is not the solution I am looking for if I need to buy one tuner card for the base channels an another on to get ~20 digital/hd channels |
| [21:44:20] | mchou: | _V_: what do you mean by "base" channels? |
| [21:44:48] | mchou: | _V_: which is yet another reason I recommended firewire |
| [21:45:08] | _V_: | mchou the regular non digital channels... |
| [21:45:16] | mchou: | if the STB is capable, all SD channels will be passed thru firewire |
| [21:45:36] | mchou: | which yet another "win" |
| [21:46:05] | _V_: | mchou that won't really work for what I am trying to do I guess I will just have to wait for a tuner to come out that can handle everything, thanks for the help |
| [21:46:05] | mchou: | it's just not HD is all |
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| [21:46:23] | fryfrog: | _V_: you'll likely *never* see a tuner that does HD over cable |
| [21:46:25] | fryfrog: | for linux, that is |
| [21:46:38] | mchou: | lol |
| [21:46:40] | fryfrog: | you can go with an MCE box that uses a cable card tuner, but it won't work in linux |
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| [21:46:52] | fryfrog: | er, encrypted HD i should say |
| [21:46:56] | mchou: | bah, MCE |
| [21:47:03] | mchou: | what a joke |
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| [21:47:07] | fryfrog: | or tivo / cable dvr |
| [21:47:31] | mchou: | yeah, tivo over MCE any day of week |
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| [21:47:33] | _V_: | So there are tuners that take a cable card and get all channels? |
| [21:47:58] | mchou: | _V_: no |
| [21:48:15] | mchou: | _V_: microsoft says they do but it's vaporware |
| [21:48:53] | mchou: | there is a funny real life how some techhs caped out for a week trying to get that set up..... |
| [21:49:07] | mchou: | and they still couldnt get it to work |
| [21:49:10] | mchou: | camped* |
| [21:49:38] | mchou: | anyway, it was on techtv or some such |
| [21:49:47] | fryfrog: | i've seen reviews of it working on like arstechnica and anandtech i'm sure |
| [21:49:56] | fryfrog: | you just have to buy an OEM system from dell/hp/etc |
| [21:49:57] | mchou: | that's combined microsoft tech and cableco techs |
| [21:50:37] | mchou: | fryfrog: the point is there are cheaper and better alternatives out there |
| [21:50:55] | fryfrog: | oh yeah, for surezies :) |
| [21:51:13] | fryfrog: | but you can't do encrypted cable on a linux box w/o a firewire STB |
| [21:51:21] | fryfrog: | ie, no pci cablecard for teh linux |
| [21:51:25] | fryfrog: | ever, prolly |
| [21:51:55] | mchou: | you cant do encrypted video on linux period |
| [21:52:04] | fryfrog: | stupid drm/encryption :/ |
| [21:52:09] | mchou: | unless somebody hacks the encryption |
| [21:52:10] | fryfrog: | well, you can do dvds :) |
| [21:52:13] | fryfrog: | ah, yar |
| [21:52:15] | fryfrog: | exactly |
| [21:53:11] | mchou: | in any case, netflis is much better than even Tivo |
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| [21:56:10] | jeffery: | can someone help me get my /dev/video0 devices which are missing |
| [21:56:26] | iamlindoro_: | We'll send out the posse |
| [21:57:13] | ** gbee whips up some "Missing" posters ** | |
| [21:57:44] | stuarta: | have you looked behind the couch? |
| [21:57:48] | mchou: | _V_: ahh, found the link: http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/21/installing . . . rt-1-fiasco/ |
| [21:57:59] | mchou: | _V_: read and weep |
| [21:58:17] | iamlindoro_: | jeffery, if the /dev/video# devices are not present, it's very likely due to a) missing modules b) unsupported card c) conflicting cards or d) misidentified cards, basically in that order |
| [21:58:22] | mchou: | in my case it was read and crack up :) |
| [21:58:59] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: dude, you missed the most obvious one: card not plugged in properly |
| [21:59:24] | iamlindoro_: | Well, I'll call that a2) |
| [21:59:39] | jeffery: | iamlindoro, I am a bit confused.... when I insert my tv card (hauppage dual usb tuner) I get the /dev/adapter* devices but /dev/video0 is missing. Is this normal ? |
| [21:59:51] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: no, missing modules is a software issue |
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| [22:00:14] | iamlindoro_: | mchou, I'm not an idiot you know, I said a2 to put it in between a and b |
| [22:00:18] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: card not plugged in properly is a HW/user issue |
| [22:00:43] | iamlindoro_: | jeffery, which hauppauge tuner, have you checked linuxtv.org for support? |
| [22:00:54] | mchou: | wohoo |
| [22:01:12] | mchou: | my power just went out |
| [22:02:21] | iamlindoro_: | jeffery? |
| [22:02:30] | iamlindoro_: | Helloooooo? Also, USB is sometimes problematic |
| [22:02:54] | jeffery: | iamlindoro, the tuner works I can tune it.. but I am trying to configure the Analog V4L capture card and it errors saying /dev/video0 doesn't exist. This is the tuner card: http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/pages/products/data_novat500.html |
| [22:03:39] | mchou: | lol |
| [22:03:52] | iamlindoro_: | http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Hauppauge |
| [22:04:04] | iamlindoro_: | Shows mova-t-500 only under DVB |
| [22:04:12] | iamlindoro_: | And not with analog support. |
| [22:04:14] | iamlindoro_: | er nova |
| [22:05:36] | jeffery: | ok thanks iamlindoro just had to confirm that I didn't stuff things up |
| [22:06:25] | iamlindoro_: | yup, so you'll get DVB only, so the interface you have appears to be correct. |
| [22:06:41] | _V_: | mchou so whats to stop that thing from working with linux just a lack of drivers? |
| [22:06:55] | mchou: | huh?? |
| [22:07:19] | _V_: | mchou the ATI cable card tuner |
| [22:07:24] | mchou: | _V_: did you even read that article I linked to? |
| [22:07:32] | _V_: | mchou yes |
| [22:07:48] | mchou: | Then you know it's not a driver issue :) |
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| [22:08:05] | mchou: | and wouldnt be asking me such silly questions |
| [22:08:20] | sebrock: | no one know about PM_TRACE and PM_DEBUG? |
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| [22:09:27] | mzb_d800: | sebrock: you've been playing with that all night? (*yawn*) |
| [22:10:12] | sebrock: | mzb_d800: no, just started... btw night is just coming to me now |
| [22:10:13] | _V_: | mchou I know the problem engadget had was not a driver problem. But I am wondering theoretically what would prevent that thing from working (if it works) with linux |
| [22:10:15] | mzb_d800: | (*stretch*) |
| [22:10:20] | sebrock: | haha |
| [22:10:50] | mchou: | _V_: nothing |
| [22:11:24] | sebrock: | mzb_d800: do you have a tip on how to enable this? |
| [22:11:28] | mchou: | _V_: except price |
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| [22:11:40] | mzb_d800: | sebrock: which distro? |
| [22:11:46] | sebrock: | Ubuntu |
| [22:11:51] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [22:11:53] | mchou: | _V_: considering you can get an HD Tivo for like $300 or so these days |
| [22:12:20] | mzb_d800: | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend |
| [22:12:36] | mchou: | _V_: why would you bother with that MCE "duct tape and twine" contraption? |
| [22:12:47] | _V_: | mchou, ok so lets say I go the hd tivo route is there a easy way to pull all the video to a computer? |
| [22:13:18] | iamlindoro_: | _V_, nope, therein is the advantage of myth... well, one of them anyway |
| [22:13:27] | mchou: | _V_: you want the video on your comp, go with netfix |
| [22:13:37] | mchou: | netflix* |
| [22:13:41] | sebrock: | found it myself |
| [22:14:10] | _V_: | mchou yeah thats great for movies but I am tring to find a solution for my cable |
| [22:14:22] | mchou: | _V_: it works just fine for cable |
| [22:14:44] | mchou: | I havent found any shows that havent come out on DVDs except for news |
| [22:15:09] | _V_: | mchou yeah I guess if I wanted to watch everything a season back :) |
| [22:15:25] | mchou: | in fact that's what the current writers strike is all about |
| [22:15:51] | mchou: | _V_: so? What's so urgent about seeing the show "right now?' |
| [22:15:55] | hendrixski: | I compiled from trunk, ran mysql < mc.sql just like it says here http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall... and I can log into my database with mysql -u mythtv -p but every time I try to run anything it can't connect to the database. I tried removing the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt file, and I'm hoping for a kind word from somebody |
| [22:16:19] | iamlindoro_: | hendrixski, you need to create the mysql mythtv user in order to use it |
| [22:16:20] | justinh: | ever missed the chance to make oodles more cash & felt bitter about it? ;) |
| [22:16:38] | iamlindoro_: | what happens when you try everything with mysql user root and his password? |
| [22:16:45] | mchou: | _V_: it's not as if missing a show (and watching it later) is like not having sex :) |
| [22:17:20] | _V_: | mchou I was just trying to figure out if there was a way to setup a media server that I was considering... and I don't really care about watching it later but if my gf misses a show then it will be like not having sex :) |
| [22:17:20] | hendrixski: | iamlindoro, mysql -u mythtv -p allows me to get in, provided I give it the password, which is the default one. Does that mean it already has a mythtv user in mysql? |
| [22:17:34] | iamlindoro_: | probably, but possibly not rights to the db |
| [22:17:46] | iamlindoro_: | what happens when you try mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg? |
| [22:17:47] | mchou: | _V_: get her used to the concept of netflix is all I can say |
| [22:18:17] | hendrixski: | iamlindoro, it lets me in |
| [22:18:18] | _V_: | mchou lol or I can just try to find a good way to record tv with my computer |
| [22:18:26] | mchou: | _V_: she gets to watch uninterrupted by commercials which means more time for sex |
| [22:18:32] | _V_: | I am guessing the second one will be easier |
| [22:18:34] | hendrixski: | though, when I do a "shot tables" command, it's empty |
| [22:18:59] | iamlindoro_: | I don't beleive that's unusual, I tihnk the tabvles are created the first time you get mythbackend running |
| [22:19:04] | mchou: | _V_: that's a win/win in my book :) |
| [22:19:07] | iamlindoro_: | although others can correct me if I am wrong |
| [22:19:21] | _V_: | haha |
| [22:19:26] | iamlindoro_: | I presume you have tried mythtv-setup, right? |
| [22:19:29] | hendrixski: | iamlindoro, I haven't gotten them runnign yet |
| [22:19:48] | mchou: | _V_: in fact if you thow the TV out there will even be *more* time for sex |
| [22:19:51] | iamlindoro_: | hendrixski, will mythtv-setup run? |
| [22:19:55] | mchou: | throw* |
| [22:20:02] | hendrixski: | it runs but doesn't log in :-/ |
| [22:20:30] | iamlindoro_: | What user running as? Sounds sorta like faulty mysql.txt to me |
| [22:21:06] | _V_: | more time less willing participants :) |
| [22:21:08] | hendrixski: | it sends me in an infinite loop of entering passwords and such. |
| [22:21:24] | iamlindoro_: | hendrixski, backend and frontend on same machine? |
| [22:21:24] | mchou: | _V_: dude, that's your problem :) |
| [22:21:25] | hendrixski: | I thought the mysql.txt thing too... but I deleted it and it still gave problems |
| [22:21:29] | hendrixski: | yup |
| [22:21:39] | iamlindoro_: | Have you tried root and root's password in your mysql.txt? |
| [22:21:51] | hendrixski: | no |
| [22:21:59] | iamlindoro_: | do so |
| [22:22:03] | ** hendrixski tries root ** | |
| [22:22:18] | mchou: | _V_: anyway, your g/f lives in Madison and you live in SD. It's not like you'll be getting any soon :) |
| [22:22:46] | mchou: | _V_: regardless what you do |
| [22:22:48] | _V_: | yeah thats why I want to make sure i get some when she is here |
| [22:22:52] | iamlindoro_: | hendrixski, that is, mysql root, not linux root |
| [22:23:31] | mchou: | _V_: be a bad boy and start more fires? |
| [22:24:20] | mchou: | _V_: probably what the other kid did.....to impress his g/f :) |
| [22:24:24] | hendrixski: | iamlindoro, same thing: i run mythtv-setup and no go |
| [22:24:45] | iamlindoro_: | What address are you trying to connect to? ie localhost, 127.0.0.1, your IP? |
| [22:24:51] | iamlindoro_: | in mysql.txt |
| [22:24:52] | hendrixski: | it says it can't connect, so I re-entered the mysql root password (the same one that I can use to enter mysql -u root -p) and it refuses to go |
| [22:24:58] | hendrixski: | localhost |
| [22:25:16] | iamlindoro_: | And localhost is in your /etc/hosts, I presume? As 127.0.0.1? |
| [22:25:37] | ** hendrixski checks ** | |
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| [22:25:48] | hendrixski: | that is correct |
| [22:26:10] | iamlindoro_: | ah, wait, what distro is this? |
| [22:26:16] | hendrixski: | Ubuntu |
| [22:26:21] | iamlindoro_: | I think I know your issue |
| [22:26:30] | hendrixski: | oh? |
| [22:26:32] | hendrixski: | :-D |
| [22:26:33] | iamlindoro_: | guys, what the heck is the name for the qt sql libs in ubuntu? |
| [22:26:53] | iamlindoro_: | hendrixski, do a |
| [22:26:58] | ** hendrixski does an apt-cache search ** | |
| [22:26:59] | iamlindoro_: | sudo apt-get install libqt4-sql |
| [22:27:10] | iamlindoro_: | and then let's try again |
| [22:28:14] | hendrixski: | libqt4-sql? you mean qt3? |
| [22:28:19] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [22:28:25] | hendrixski: | libqt3-mt-sql |
| [22:28:33] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, whatevs |
| [22:28:51] | iamlindoro_: | sounds right, working from memory |
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| [22:29:41] | hendrixski: | heh, look at that |
| [22:29:52] | iamlindoro_: | I presume that worked :) |
| [22:30:02] | hendrixski: | it passed the first part now I have a different bug... but I'll start the googling process all over again with this new one |
| [22:30:09] | iamlindoro_: | What's the issue |
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| [22:30:23] | iamlindoro_: | It's not a bug if you set it up wrong, you know :) |
| [22:30:36] | hendrixski: | scratch that... it did work |
| [22:30:58] | ** iamlindoro_ helps himself to a congratulatory beer. ** | |
| [22:31:02] | floppyears: | iamlindoro_: is there a user interface team or sub group? in the future I want to help improve the website as well as the mythtv ui |
| [22:31:02] | hendrixski: | hmm, you know what... iamlindoro you just discovered a bug in Ubuntu :-) |
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| [22:31:25] | iamlindoro_: | hendrixski, how so? |
| [22:31:34] | hendrixski: | because I ran sudo apt-get build-depends and it didn't install libqt3-mt-sql |
| [22:31:44] | hendrixski: | so whoever packaged it, didn't include it in there |
| [22:31:46] | iamlindoro_: | Floppyears, I dunno, but the closest thing that I know of to a UI/theme guru is Justin |
| [22:31:59] | iamlindoro_: | that's because it's not necessary to build it |
| [22:32:07] | iamlindoro_: | do build-dep worked fine |
| [22:32:11] | iamlindoro_: | It's just necessary to RUN it |
| [22:32:14] | hendrixski: | ah |
| [22:32:15] | hendrixski: | Ok |
| [22:32:24] | hendrixski: | so, I guess we're not bug sleuths after all |
| [22:32:29] | iamlindoro_: | Indeed |
| [22:32:48] | hendrixski: | so I need to see if there's an apt-get for just regular old depends |
| [22:33:02] | hendrixski: | and run that as well as build-depends when I want to compile stuff from source |
| [22:33:19] | iamlindoro_: | Usually build-dep is more than enough |
| [22:33:45] | iamlindoro_: | just not here :) |
| [22:35:14] | hendrixski: | iamlindoro, well. hey. seriously, that was a very non-intuitive problem you just pulled me out of. I really appreciate it |
| [22:35:16] | hendrixski: | thank you :-) |
| [22:35:17] | floppyears: | thanks iamlindoro_ |
| [22:35:22] | iamlindoro_: | No problem, both |
| [22:35:31] | jeffery: | I am adding a video source for my card and I can't seem to find an option to add an XMLTV grabber. Has that option been removed in later versions? |
| [22:36:03] | justinh: | nope |
| [22:37:08] | ** hendrixski goes to make dinner... then gets back to playing with mythtv/trunk ** | |
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| [22:43:52] | jeffery: | iamlindoro_, any ideas ^ |
| [22:44:41] | iamlindoro_: | Jeffery, nope, should just be able to select the Schedulesdirect option and press right and left to switch to others... |
| [22:44:45] | mzb_d800: | justinh: yes re oodles |
| [22:44:59] | mzb_d800: | (several times) |
| [22:46:03] | jeffery: | iamlindoro_, I have three options, "No grabber", "North America schedules direct" and "EIT" |
| [22:46:41] | iamlindoro_: | jeffery, I'm afraid I'm not too up on the XMLTV thing as I use SD... but I believe you can just set your xmltv up from the command line and run it as a cron job, no? |
| [22:46:49] | iamlindoro_: | And there is a mythfilldatabase option to import that data |
| [22:47:11] | jeffery: | iamlindoro_, ok willl try that |
| [22:47:13] | mzb_d800: | jeffery: google "shepherd mythtv" for .au |
| [22:47:44] | mzb_d800: | you're wasting your time with what mythtv comes with ... it will not work in .au |
| [22:48:03] | iamlindoro_: | mythfilldatabase --file (videosourcenumber) xmlfile |
| [22:48:35] | jeffery: | mzb_d800, thanks I se you are in the linux.conf channel as well |
| [22:48:37] | iamlindoro_: | but mzb has probably put you on to the right thing, from what I hear the australian options for xmltv are supposed to be pretty good |
| [22:48:43] | kormoc: | mzb_d800, and the au users in here just don't count? |
| [22:49:17] | mzb_d800: | jeffery: yep, booked, paid & committed |
| [22:49:33] | mzb_d800: | kormoc: nah ... not the northerners ;) |
| [22:49:46] | jeffery: | mzb_d800, you in melbourne ? |
| [22:50:01] | mzb_d800: | I'm the "south island" ;) |
| [22:50:07] | jeffery: | cool |
| [22:50:18] | mzb_d800: | where I have a 2nd head to keep me company ;) |
| [22:50:25] | iamlindoro_: | Desperately want to visit someday soon |
| [22:51:20] | mzb_d800: | iamlindoro: have a listen to this any time you start feeling desperate: http://www.parks.tas.gov.au/wildlife/mammals/devil.html |
| [22:51:44] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, cute little face-tumored bastards |
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| [22:52:02] | iamlindoro_: | Read about that a few months ago |
| [22:52:20] | mzb_d800: | and then remember that something the size of a super-large house cat has jaws powerful enough to bite through a man's arm ... and they eat *everything* (yep ... even the teeth) |
| [22:52:55] | iamlindoro_: | Well to be honest, I'm not that concerned about being attacked by a tasmanian devil :) It seems like one of those less-likely things to have happen |
| [22:53:00] | cal: | tcp: yeah its hard to explain but its just not as fluid when fast forwarding... and the audio doesnt fast forward along with it. |
| [22:53:11] | cal: | tcpsyn |
| [22:55:02] | mzb_d800: | heh ... you're more likely to run one over ;) ... but if you go camping at the right time|place there's a good chance that the screams of a devil will scare the cr@p out of you |
| [22:55:24] | mzb_d800: | (ie. screams of them fighting over a carcass) |
| [22:55:43] | mzb_d800: | ==> ie. definitely worth the effort ;)) |
| [22:55:49] | iamlindoro_: | mzb_d800, I've hand guns pointed at me and fought with parolees, I've pulled loaded weapons off of people, the last thing I probably need to worry about is the wildlife :) |
| [22:56:03] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [22:56:07] | iamlindoro_: | although that would probably be the thing that finally got me |
| [22:56:24] | mzb_d800: | probably more likely to get bitten by a red-back ;) |
| [22:56:37] | iamlindoro_: | Right. Cities it is! :) |
| [22:56:45] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [22:57:30] | cal: | how can i tell if a show has been transcoded? |
| [22:57:49] | iamlindoro_: | cal, you can check your recent jobs in mythweb if it was recent |
| [22:57:56] | iamlindoro_: | or your backend log |
| [22:58:22] | iamlindoro_: | or do an ffmpeg -i filename on the file and see if the size and bitrate are your transcode settings |
| [22:58:25] | iamlindoro_: | lots of ways, really |
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| [22:59:13] | cal: | i cant just look anywhere in the mythtv menu's on my tv? |
| [22:59:29] | iamlindoro_: | Was it a supposed recent transcode? |
| [22:59:40] | cal: | yeah |
| [22:59:57] | iamlindoro_: | You can look at recent jobs on system status in the info center |
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| [23:00:43] | cal: | what has happened is, for some reason when i fast forward/rewind now in any of my shows, it skips and pauses horribly and the audio doesnt keep up.. not at all like it used to work.. |
| [23:01:05] | cal: | so i figured they all got transcoded to a new format and seeking doesnt work the same in the new format |
| [23:01:20] | rooaus: | jeffery: You sort out your grabber prob? |
| [23:01:48] | jeffery: | rooaus, yes installing/configuring the grabber now |
| [23:02:00] | iamlindoro_: | Hrm, I dunno, cal... easiest way to check the format and info is probably to ffmpeg -i filename |
| [23:02:06] | iamlindoro_: | that will give you info on the format, bitrate, etc |
| [23:02:15] | iamlindoro_: | but pretty much everything should seek just fine |
| [23:02:40] | mzb_d800: | cal: what I do is auto run commflag on (most) recordings ... anything with a red flag is not transcoded |
| [23:02:47] | mzb_d800: | (I don't auto transcode) |
| [23:02:48] | jeffery: | question is should I disable EIT grabbing totally? |
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| [23:02:56] | rooaus: | jeffery: Some of the old grabbers didn't support tv_find_grabbers and weren't found. But if you have it sorted then no probs. |
| [23:03:06] | cal: | where are things auto transcoded at? |
| [23:03:07] | tcpsyn: | cal, you looking for me? |
| [23:03:12] | justinh: | no way is it 11pm now here |
| [23:03:12] | cal: | only way i know to do it is manually |
| [23:03:24] | cal: | tcp: nah |
| [23:03:32] | mzb_d800: | jeffery: http://svn.whuffy.com/index.fcgi/wiki |
| [23:04:14] | jeffery: | rooaus, I am using http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~willu/xmltv/tv_grab_au_reg.html which Stewart Smith aka MacPlusG3 suggested |
| [23:04:18] | mzb_d800: | and make sure you don't have ALL the grabbers (tv_grab_*) installed as the find_grabbers script will timeout |
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| [23:04:43] | jeffery: | mzb_d800, sheperd never worked for me |
| [23:04:53] | mzb_d800: | shepherd is pretty good (and updates itself every time it runs) |
| [23:05:00] | jeffery: | some dependency on XMLTV and I can't find the package for opensuse |
| [23:05:23] | mzb_d800: | use your package manager to search for deps |
| [23:05:27] | rooaus: | jeffery: Ah, Will updated that one a while ago now :) |
| [23:05:38] | cal: | iam: ffmpeg spit out a bunch of stuff.. i dont know what that stuff was set to before the transcode though.. shrug |
| [23:05:50] | rooaus: | jeffery: Date::Manip or something ? |
| [23:05:57] | jeffery: | mzb_d800, I did.. |
| [23:06:02] | jeffery: | rooaus, that too |
| [23:06:24] | jeffery: | and Date:Timezone as well |
| [23:06:30] | djc__: | is there a howto anywhere specific to mytharchive? |
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| [23:06:49] | jeffery: | I think I had Date::Manip but not Timezone so I gave up on shepered |
| [23:06:57] | rooaus: | djc__: I think there is a wiki page that paulh updates. |
| [23:07:25] | djc__: | hrm.. i'l have a look |
| [23:08:33] | rooaus: | djc__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mytharchive |
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| [23:11:38] | mzb_d800: | jeffery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Opensuse_10.2 |
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| [23:15:15] | djc__: | ty |
| [23:15:50] | mzb_d800: | jeffery: http://svn.whuffy.com/index.fcgi/wiki/Installation#Note:XMLTV |
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| [23:16:08] | mzb_d800: | the verbosity of the programme details is nothing short of incredible ;) |
| [23:17:05] | mzb_d800: | the shepherd mailing list is quite active, too ... and problems are dealt with quite quickly |
| [23:18:35] | jeffery: | mzb_d800, compile time :) |
| [23:19:17] | mzb_d800: | http://www.ozmyth.com/wiki/Australian+TV+Guid . . . V#Comparsion |
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| [23:19:49] | jeffery: | sometimes too much information is bad :) |
| [23:19:53] | RageMax: | anyone know a good box that distributes component audio/video/IR from multiple HD tuners? |
| [23:19:53] | mzb_d800: | sure, it takes a while to run ... but it's niced and runs "at a time determined by the grabber" ... it's only the results you want ;) |
| [23:20:36] | jeffery: | mzb_d800, trust you are using sheperd without any problems? |
| [23:21:11] | mzb_d800: | it's taken me a while to get used to ... and it's not like something so complex doesn |
| [23:22:02] | mzb_d800: | t have problems every now and then (eg. Tasmanian daylight savings) ... but it gets fixed pretty quickly and if you can't figure out a problem the members of the mailing list are very helpful |
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| [23:23:04] | jeffery: | thats good |
| [23:23:59] | cal: | should i be recording at 480x480 for standard ntsc or 720x480? |
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| [23:24:40] | jeffery: | mzb_d800, Error: Mandatory module 'XMLTV' not found. is that referring to XMLTV itself or a Perl module ? |
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| [23:25:52] | mzb_d800: | probably the latter |
| [23:27:06] | jeffery: | k |
| [23:28:09] | jeffery: | is it normal to not have au grabber in the config for XMLTV: http://pastebin.com/d23403ae0 |
| [23:29:53] | mzb_d800: | I've never installed xmltv that way so I can't say for sure ... but it wouldn't surprise me considering the general attitude to programme data in .au |
| [23:30:20] | mzb_d800: | as long as xmltv installs, shepherd should be able to use it |
| [23:31:51] | mzb_d800: | I suggest you move the majority of the tv_grab_* executables out of the way somewhere once you start getting things setup in mythtv, as the find_grabbers is not too tolerant of slow grabbers (inc. shepherd) |
| [23:32:09] | mzb_d800: | (which means that some|all of the grabbers won't be found by mythtv) |
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| [23:33:47] | jeffery: | ok. I have hot another error XML::Twig .. how do I install this module through cpan |
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| [23:37:01] | mzb_d800: | jeffery: have you followed the cpan parts here: ?? http://svn.whuffy.com/index.fcgi/wiki/Install . . . tionSpecific |
| [23:38:09] | mzb_d800: | you should just be able to do: # cpan XML::Twig |
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| [23:41:27] | RageMax: | anyone know of a cable tuner box that has more than 4 tuners? |
| [23:42:39] | djc__: | does mytharchive automatically re-compress to fit on dvd? and/or will it warn if the files you've selected are too large to fit? |
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| [23:45:13] | Hilikus: | whats a light desktop manager that would run mythtv without problems?? |
| [23:47:00] | mzb_d800: | Hilikus: you mean window manager? |
| [23:47:04] | jeffery: | ah thanks mzb_d800 |
| [23:47:09] | mzb_d800: | np |
| [23:47:36] | mzb_d800: | Hilikus: if you have to run one at all, try fvwm |
| [23:47:38] | Hilikus: | mm i thought a desktop manager was more general than a window manager |
| [23:47:58] | mzb_d800: | I think the correct term is "Desktop Environment" |
| [23:49:21] | mzb_d800: | and the lightest DE I can think of would be xfce |
| [23:49:52] | Hilikus: | can i run a WM withou a DE? |
| [23:50:01] | mzb_d800: | if you're running a dedicated mythbox you don't need either |
| [23:50:20] | Hilikus: | so how do i watch tv? |
| [23:50:41] | mzb_d800: | start mythfrontend using ~/.xinitrc |
| [23:51:16] | mzb_d800: | there are various "auto-login" methods around the place |
| [23:51:41] | Hilikus: | is there any difference in the quality or something? |
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| [23:51:52] | djc__: | hrm.. mythfrontend can be told -w to run in windows, but apparently mythtv-setup cant |
| [23:52:13] | mzb_d800: | djc__: --help |
| [23:52:22] | mzb_d800: | (eg --geometry) |
| [23:52:54] | djc__: | yeah, well that still doesnt tell it to use a normal window.. the underlying problem, is that im on a remote X, and when the myth gui has focus, the colormap is wonky |
| [23:53:18] | djc__: | with the FE, adding -w seemed to help it to not do that |
| [23:53:21] | mzb_d800: | Hilikus: not really ... but on an under-resourced machine it might make all the difference |
| [23:53:52] | Hilikus: | so how does it work if theres no DE?? |
| [23:54:10] | mzb_d800: | didn't I already answer that? |
| [23:54:40] | mzb_d800: | <mzb_d800> start mythfrontend using ~/.xinitrc |
| [23:54:43] | Hilikus: | i dont see anything |
| [23:54:46] | mzb_d800: | <mzb_d800> there are various "auto-login" methods around the place |
| [23:54:48] | Hilikus: | and that means what? |
| [23:55:09] | Hilikus: | i want to know how does it show graphics if thres no window manager or anything |
| [23:55:14] | Hilikus: | it run directly on X?? |
| [23:55:21] | djc__: | yes |
| [23:55:21] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [23:55:29] | Hilikus: | wow, i didnt know you could do that |
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| [23:55:53] | djc__: | you run fe as your wm.. and since i doesnt really need windowing and just does FS by default, it 'just works' |
| [23:56:20] | djc__: | window manager is just what lets you move windows around and (usually) start other apps |
| [23:56:40] | djc__: | you can use xterm instead of a wm, and you'll get a single unmovable unresizable xterm |
| [23:57:00] | djc__: | in fact, with (RH and fedora at least) thats the 'failsafe' profile in gd |
| [23:57:02] | djc__: | gdm |
| [23:57:36] | djc__: | anyone have any ideas on wonky colormap on remote X with setup? |
| [23:57:40] | leprasmurf: | hello all. I've got a couple servers and I'm trying to figure out the most efficient process for transcoding and file sharing. my main mythbox is a 1.3 Ghz machine with 120gigs, I'd like to use NFS to share the space of another server, but I'd also like my other server to transcode in off hours |
| [23:58:51] | leprasmurf: | any suggestions would be appreciated |
| [23:59:32] | djc__: | actually, not running it root seems to have helped too |
| [23:59:34] | djc__: | so nvm |
| [23:59:52] | djc__: | leprasmurf, no idea, im still working with standalone system |
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