| Wednesday, November 7th, 2007, 00:00 UTC |
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justinh: |
tjcarter: you can't schedule recordings in front row |
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tjcarter: |
I'm tired of fecking around with Qt3. |
| [00:00:13] |
tjcarter: |
it's a pile of shit. |
| [00:00:19] |
justinh: |
tjcarter: qt4 ftw!!! |
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Dibblah: |
So? Feck around with QT4, then. |
| [00:00:38] |
tjcarter: |
Dibblah: I don't speak C++ |
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tjcarter: |
I used to speak a sane version of C++ |
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Dibblah: |
... Well, okay, then. |
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tjcarter: |
but then Bjarne decided to change the language |
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justinh: |
with enough of a big push, lots of begging etc, I'm sure the ui port & qt4 goodness could be ready for 0.22 |
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justinh: |
tjcarter: well if mythfrontend ends up being python, I'm dropping it like a stone |
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tjcarter: |
haha |
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justinh: |
we'll end up with legions of shite plugins, all with nasty interfaces |
| [00:02:10] |
tjcarter: |
I'd rather see Myth migrate to a protocol that won't change at the drop of a hat. =) |
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justinh: |
so get involved! |
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BULLE: |
justinh: just dont install the shite plugins then |
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justinh: |
you can't sit there on the sidelines cackling |
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Dibblah: |
Of course you can. But it's not as entertaining as digging in code. |
| [00:03:18] |
justinh: |
as for XBMC, it doesn't matter how crashy a feature is when the box takes mere seconds to reboot |
| [00:03:19] |
tjcarter: |
I think there's kind of a divide on the upnp av thing |
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tjcarter: |
and it cannot itself replace mythfrontend |
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tjcarter: |
(although upnp av + mysql can) |
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tjcarter: |
so that's what I'm pushing for now |
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justinh: |
if only upnp were a proper standard... |
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Dibblah: |
Mysql may go eventually. |
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justinh: |
mythtv needs YOU ! (and you, btw) |
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Dibblah: |
If the big ugly query can be replaced / squeezed into another database. |
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Dibblah: |
(embedded one) |
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tjcarter: |
Dibblah: there's nothing standardized that can replace it currently |
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** BULLE would help if you guys could just convert all of mythtv into java, as i know java, but not c++ ** |
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tjcarter: |
heh |
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justinh: |
roflmao |
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Dibblah: |
BULLE: If you know one language, you should at least be able to read the other. |
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justinh: |
yeh then you'll only need a 4Ghz dual core CPU to bring up the EPG |
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tjcarter: |
BULLE: COMPILED Java with native widgets and we'll talk. |
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tjcarter: |
Dibblah: I can't read Qt source ;) |
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justinh: |
bollocks |
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BULLE: |
tjcarter: sadly, so far, the compiled java runs slower then on the standard sun hotspot with jit |
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mzb_d800: |
ben2: set your master backend correctly on the new box? |
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BULLE: |
Dibblah: ye, i can read c++ |
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justinh: |
I can't code either, but it hasn't stopped me chipping in with tiny little bits |
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tjcarter: |
BULLE: speed's not the issue |
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BULLE: |
Dibblah: its mainly all the linking madness, and stuff that makes me go crying everytime i look at c++ |
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tjcarter: |
BULLE: it's not having Java break on you ;) |
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BULLE: |
tjcarter: then just compile the java code with gcj |
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Dibblah: |
Ignore linking. |
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justinh: |
just TRY ffs |
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justinh: |
the compiler does all the linking etc |
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BULLE: |
justinh: are we talking c++ or java here ? |
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justinh: |
there's plenty that can be done without having a totally intimate knowledge of C++ or qt |
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BULLE: |
actualy,i like QT |
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BULLE: |
it takes away lots of the realy nastyness of c++ |
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mzb_d800: |
like a frontend theme editor? :) |
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Dibblah: |
... Better off without an intimate knowledge of QT. |
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justinh: |
hell even just little things like changing bits of the xml parser |
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BULLE: |
eg, it makes c++ more javalike |
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justinh: |
mzb_d800: another thing that'll make me jump ship |
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mzb_d800: |
:) |
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mzb_d800: |
put you out of a hobby(?) ? |
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justinh: |
the world doesn't need no stinking Britney mythtv themes |
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BULLE: |
justinh: yes i do need Brittney Spears theme! |
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tjcarter: |
anyway, I gotta go to class |
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tjcarter: |
back in 3.5 hours =p |
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mzb_d800: |
some ppl might like the choice, but completely lack the skills ... sound to me like a theme editor would be a nice feature to have |
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justinh: |
I thought about making an adult theme a while back but stumbled upon the thought that there's not a lot of stuff compatible with the GPL or similar licences :P |
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Dibblah: |
You already did. |
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Dibblah: |
... I remember that 'contraversial' screenshot ;) |
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justinh: |
oh yeah – adult as in themes for grownups :) |
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venger: |
xvid users, what tool are using to complete your encoding tasks? i'd like to compress some of my dvd rips to free up hd space. running debian sid here. |
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justinh: |
venger: ffmpeg, mencoder |
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justinh: |
on the command line! |
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justinh: |
muhahaha |
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venger: |
justinh, cool i was just reading about mplayers mencoder |
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mzb_d800: |
venger: custom job for xvid? |
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justinh: |
just do what I did & buy a much bigger HDD, or think about the fact you're not really likely to want to watch some lame film for the 15th time on the spur of the moment |
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justinh: |
you file squirrels are all the same :P |
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Dibblah: |
Anyway. Bedtime :) |
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mzb_d800: |
justinh: seems like not everybody has your budget |
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justinh: |
what budget? |
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justinh: |
hell my new cpu cost me £3.20 |
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justinh: |
not a bad price for a 2ghz celery mobile ;) |
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mzb_d800: |
oops, wrong button(s) ;) |
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justinh: |
mzb_d800: 2ghz celery mobile chip for 6 of your Earth Dollars |
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justinh: |
that's MY budget |
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mzb_d800: |
for a dedicated machine? |
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justinh: |
if I wasn't skint I wouldn't have a donate button on my site |
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justinh: |
for the FE which is likely to replace the Epia PoS I currently use |
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mzb_d800: |
nuvexport-xvid --mencoder --use_cutlist --nice 19 --input="$1" |
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mzb_d800: |
know the feeling re donations |
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mzb_d800: |
my point remains that some *need* to compress |
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justinh: |
the whole thing is gonna come in way under $200 Earth dollars too, minus case & DVD drive but I already have them |
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justinh: |
they 'need' to stash less away :P |
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mzb_d800: |
:) probably true |
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mzb_d800: |
hard habit to break |
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clever: |
got a pair of backtraces now in http://www.clever.mine.nu:82/mythpaste/ |
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justinh: |
clever: using port 82 to get away from script kiddies – really a good idea advertising it in a logged channel ? :P |
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mzb_d800: |
venger: ^^ re xvid |
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clever: |
justinh: im using 82 because 80 and 81 are allready in use |
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clever: |
justinh: im running apache on 3 diff boxes |
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justinh: |
you need a better DNS setup ;) |
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justinh: |
not that I know much about that |
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clever: |
im stuck with 1 ip |
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clever: |
enless i have a master box proxying based on the hostname in the GET req i cant easily do it all on 1 port |
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justinh: |
ah yeah |
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mzb_d800: |
I had a 2.4G celeron (D?) "donated" recently (had been squashed in case) |
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mzb_d800: |
I've repaired the pins, but really don't have the budget to find a board for it |
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clever: |
justinh: and that would also open a posible http proxy which would lead to open proxy glines on irc |
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justinh: |
I coulda gone for a core2 duo mobile for under 100 pounds but I couldn't justify it |
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justinh: |
but, in difference to my other systems, this one has some upgrade headroom (yay) |
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clever: |
justinh: the backtraces are identical execpt for the adress space randomization |
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justinh: |
it's still gonna knock spots off my desktop box though |
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mzb_d800: |
I do have two other boxes that are faster, but they're already in use ... can't justify expense on mythtv (yet) ... possibly until I convince the Financial Advisor (g/f) that something better is required |
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clever: |
i have a 2.9ghz cpu in my winblows box |
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clever: |
and it performs worse then my 50mhz laptop sometimes |
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directhex: |
there's no production 2.9ghz cpu |
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** clever looks ** |
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clever: |
2.93ghz |
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** clever uploads ** |
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directhex: |
there are a couple of those |
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justinh: |
mrs justinh is already on board with the new frontend plan :) |
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justinh: |
though encouragingly she did excitedly say "wooo MAC MINI?!" |
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clever: |
directhex: http://clever.mine.nu/download/cpu.jpg |
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justinh: |
like I'm made of money or something ;) |
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justinh: |
mini has to wait til we have a HD display |
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directhex: |
clever, just because you name it .jpg, doesn't make it so |
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clever: |
directhex: either your wrong or winblows is wrong in that window... |
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clever: |
but winblows has been wrong before:P |
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justinh: |
really? ;) |
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directhex: |
"winblows" isn't exactly a mature thing to say |
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clever: |
it aint that good of an os:P |
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directhex: |
and i don't see how i was wrong. there are no production 2.9ghz cpus. 2.93 there are a few |
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clever: |
2.9 and 2.93 are nearly the same(i was just rounding it off) |
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directhex: |
the core2 x6800, the pentium 4 516, the celeron d 340, 340j and 341 |
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clever: |
says celeron D on the sticker on the front |
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clever: |
everything is onboard |
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DapOrp2: |
how do I get out of mythtv so I can change the theme it's using? |
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DapOrp2: |
i'm stuck apparently. |
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DapOrp2: |
oh wait. |
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clever: |
DapOrp2: you can change the theme from within mythfrontend |
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justinh: |
DapOrp2: stuck in an old version of minimalist-wide eh? |
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DapOrp2: |
i was supposed to run it through mythfrontend.. right. |
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DapOrp2: |
i just typed mythtv. hehe. oops. |
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justinh: |
I thought I backported that fix |
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mzb_d800: |
so what's a reasonable mobo for a mythbox that can do sata+ddr for a celeron D? |
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clever: |
ahh |
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mzb_d800: |
(*cheap*) |
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clever: |
this pc is a rebuilt system(cheap) |
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clever: |
it bluescreened some at first and a memtest showed bad ram |
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directhex: |
mzb_d800, ddr1? |
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mzb_d800: |
yes |
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justinh: |
you'll be lucky |
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clever: |
i moved the ram to another slot and it went away(and didnt come back on the 1st slot) |
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directhex: |
mzb_d800, something that works, or the real cheapest of the cheap? |
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mzb_d800: |
I wouldn't have thought that celeronD would support ddr2 |
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mzb_d800: |
err, either |
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directhex: |
mzb_d800, of course it supports ddr2. ddr1 will be a problem |
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justinh: |
512MB for my backend now costs more than 1GB for the new FE |
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mzb_d800: |
ah ok, I must confess almost complete ignorance of (fairly) recent intel stuff |
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directhex: |
mzb_d800, recent is ddr3 |
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mzb_d800: |
perhaps I'm showing my age then? ;) |
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directhex: |
i don't think there's any intel chipset that will do ddr1 and pentium-d |
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justinh: |
directhex: how much you pay for the ram for your aopen board? |
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directhex: |
there's a few implementations of a via chipset |
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mzb_d800: |
ok s/ddr1/ddr2/ |
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directhex: |
mzb_d800, get the cheapest i945 board you can find |
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directhex: |
justinh, the aopen board is old hat. sold that box a while ago |
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justinh: |
found some at my local for under 20 squids. not bad for 1GB pc5300 so-dimm |
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mzb_d800: |
ok, thx |
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justinh: |
directhex: the aopen board you recommended me? |
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justinh: |
thought it was what you were using for your current box. but nevermind :) |
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justinh: |
or have I just been embarrassingly confuzzled? |
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directhex: |
justinh, my current box uses an asus board i'm happy to disrecommend to all & sundry |
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mzb_d800: |
perhaps something like: http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew. . . . mp;sid=26355 |
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directhex: |
justinh, my previous box used an older aopen board, the i855 one |
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venger: |
mzb_d800, sorr i had stepped afk, about your question custom job. no just since i'm new to encoding i wanted to get an idea of easy method of doing a full encode with minimal commands |
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directhex: |
mzb_d800, something like that, yes |
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justinh: |
directhex: ahh. this un should do the trick I think. if not, sell for profit :) |
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mzb_d800: |
venger: that's as simple as it gets, s/$1/filename.nuv/ |
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directhex: |
step 1: steal underpants |
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directhex: |
it's well past bed o'clock. |
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venger: |
mzb_d800, no idea what your sed command means in that context and i'm not familar with .nuv files although i've see reference of it |
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mzb_d800: |
err |
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mzb_d800: |
nuvexport-xvid --help |
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venger: |
ill check it out, thanks |
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justinh: |
gbee: much changed in mythweather since LRL in the summer? planning on doing the -wide ui.xml for it soonish |
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justinh: |
ah bugger. my portable video exporter script is brokened |
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mzb_d800: |
hmm, ddr1 and ddr2 on the same board: http://www.digitan.com.au/product.php?product . . . 9&page=1 |
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ali1234: |
under mythdora, how can i restore the xorg.conf to that which was created by the installer, without an internet connection, and without having a backup? |
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mzb_d800: |
use a psychic? |
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** justinh hands ali1234 some pixie dust ** |
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ali1234: |
lame |
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mzb_d800: |
rerun the installer? |
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ali1234: |
i tried that. it tried to download some rpms then failed |
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justinh: |
mount the CD, find the original maybe? |
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mzb_d800: |
I reckon the "original" would probably only be a template for the real thing |
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mzb_d800: |
but ymmv |
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justinh: |
they might know in #mythdora, if such a magical place exists |
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mzb_d800: |
#*dora ;) |
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ali1234: |
of course myth was working fine with the original conf. i can only assume it had some magic keywords or something... Option "DontCrashWhenMythLoads" "1" |
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ali1234: |
now the only way i can make myth load up is to use the nv driver |
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mzb_d800: |
hmm ... having problems rebuilding a seek table: |
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mzb_d800: |
1st run, error was: Invalid seektable (frametype -20) |
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mzb_d800: |
cleared cutlist ... went to edit recording ... seems to have seek problems |
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mzb_d800: |
2nd run: error was: Invalid seektable (frametype -68) |
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mzb_d800: |
same seek problem while editing |
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ali1234: |
well, time to waste another 2 hrs wiping and reinstalling... |
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mzb_d800: |
ali1234: reinstall nvidia drivers |
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mzb_d800: |
(when nv is working) |
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mzb_d800: |
... you didn't mention anything about that before ... shame |
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mzb_d800: |
lol ... finally found why mythfilldatabase wasn't running ... "/usr/bin/mythfilldatabase" vs "/usr/local/bin/m..." ... *sigh* |
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iamlindoro_: |
What's the working directory for myth user jobs? |
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iamlindoro_: |
or perhaps that varies |
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tcpsyn: |
holy crap |
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tcpsyn: |
svn rocks |
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tcpsyn: |
I got a huge hd performance boost |
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