Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, November 4th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro_:

sign me up for the last one, btw

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mzb_d800:

clever_: installed localepurge yet?

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tcpsyn:

yeah, its just ubuntu with some default packages installed.

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docjay:

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tcpsyn:

saved me about 15 minutes of installing what I wanted.

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tcpsyn:

and gave me about 3 days of uninstalling unnecissary crap

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clever_:

mzb_d800: lol not yet

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mzb_d800:

*sigh*

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Staticwave_Ace:

iamlindoro_: so, if I have a bunch of channels from my analog source with channel numbers, and then I have my hdhomerun source with some identical channels, should I change *its* numbers to match the analog source?

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mzb_d800:

clever_: install it ... configure it ... run it ... and watch in amazement ;)

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iamlindoro_:

You can, or you can leave them

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iamlindoro_:

up to you

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mzb_d800:

from then on ... it runs every time you install something ... to clean out the locales you don't use

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mzb_d800:

save a "fortune" in drive space

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docjay:

drive space is cheap

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mzb_d800:

not when you've "run out"

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tcpsyn:

The way I set up my digital / analog channels

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mzb_d800:

(or can't find a better method)

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tcpsyn:

was just to change the callsign

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tcpsyn:

wfxt and wfxt-dt both become wfxt

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clever_:

mzb_d800: any idea on how to fix tons of 'software caused connection abort's?

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tcpsyn:

and then I prefer the digital input for hd flagged programs.

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clever_:

im getting them in high ammounts

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mzb_d800:

clever_: got *any* disk free?

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mzb_d800:

do: # rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb

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mzb_d800:

(for a start)

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clever_:

apt-get clean should do that

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clever_:

400mb free atm

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mzb_d800:

apt-get -f install

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mzb_d800:

dpkg-configure -a

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clever_:

whats that do?

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mzb_d800:

make sure everything works

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clever_:

apt works fine

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mzb_d800:

(or has finished installing properly, etc)

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clever_:

localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/locale: 12540K

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clever_:

localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/man: 2836K

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clever_:

Total disk space freed by localepurge: 15376K

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mzb_d800:

doesn't seem like much ... but it all adds up

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clever_:

yeah

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mzb_d800:

when are you getting the abort messages?

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clever_:

randomly

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clever_:

on allmost all connections in my XP box

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clever_:

mostly 3–4 crashing at once

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mzb_d800:

tried a sanity reboot?

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mzb_d800:

ah

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mzb_d800:

using sambe?

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mzb_d800:

using samba?

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clever_:

sometimes my irc network(not going thru the XP) also has a split at the same time as several aborts

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clever_:

i think im using samba in several places but dont see why that would cause irc to abort

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Staticwave_Ace:

can anyone help me debug adding some icons via mkiconmap.perl?

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mzb_d800:

you're using XP as gateway?

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clever_:

nope

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clever_:

LFS is my gateway/nat

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mzb_d800:

Staticwave_Ace: just use phpmyadmin to manually add the paths to the icons ;)

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clever_:

XP is just accessing the web and several irc servers

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mzb_d800:

you're asking for M$ support here? :))

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mzb_d800:

s/smbfs/cifs btw

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mzb_d800:

flush your firewall, and see if the XP box is still complaining

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clever_:

i syspect the problem might be within the NAT(LFS box)

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clever_:

if the router forgets of the connection is may cause similar errors

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mzb_d800:

you might need upnp

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clever_:

i need to get a tcpdump of the crash though

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clever_:

why would i need upnp?

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clever_:

upnp in a router just does automatic port forwarding

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clever_:

which isnt needed for outgoing connections

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mzb_d800:

right, just try flushing the firewall and see if the problem goes away

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mzb_d800:

http://miniupnp.free.fr/ is what I use

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clever_:

the NAT's wall or the XP wall?

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mzb_d800:

(on openwrt)

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mzb_d800:

both

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mzb_d800:

but NAT specifically

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clever_:

if i flush the nat wall i loose all port forwarding

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clever_:

and probly NAT itself

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mzb_d800:

right, well include a LOG rule then

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mzb_d800:

and drop the firewall on the XP box

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mzb_d800:

(for sanity)

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clever_:

i do have log rules before the DROP's

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clever_:

but there needs to be many DNAT's and stuff for it to work right

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mzb_d800:

tail the logs with a grep? ... you've got to be able to do it for sanity alone, surely?

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clever_:

xp wall is allready off

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clever_:

and the router log is full of crap like this

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clever_:

Nov 3 21:16:11 localhost kernel: FIREWALL:idropIN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=69.40.36.63 DST=156.34.225.25 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=108 ID=10195 PROTO=TCP SPT=60018 DPT=23039 WINDOW=16384 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0

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mzb_d800:

you may even find it's an MTU issue

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clever_:

what should the mtu be?

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clever_:

7: ppp0: <POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST,NOARP,UP> mtu 1492 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 3

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clever_:

3: lan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000

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clever_:

(in router ^^)

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justinh:

fscking fireworks are still going off round here. less Guy Fawkes, more remembering the Blitz methinks

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** xris wonders if he should raise his consulting rates since his day-job pay has changed so much over the years. **

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VonGuard:

hi hi h

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VonGuard:

is there any way to connect mythtv to an itunes share?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

mythmusic doesn't speak iTunes

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justinh:

at least, not without your patch

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clever_:

dont see a mtu in the 'ipconfig /all' of the xp

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Der_Thomas:

hey guys

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Der_Thomas:

question about themes

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Der_Thomas:

anyone know what lisence they are covered under?

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Der_Thomas:

I just created my own by basically modifying another and want to know if I can release it to others

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justinh:

Der_Thomas: depends on the theme

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Der_Thomas:

that is whay I though

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justinh:

mine are all CC now, so you can't do as you like with them – or rather you can so long as you don't put them in commercial things

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Der_Thomas:

I found a theme called Visor in an RPM via google and have no idea where it came from

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justinh:

probably broken

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mzb_d800:

clever_: try google, seriously .... been a long time since I had M$ issues, as I no longer run it

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Aval0n:

justinh: I just installed the blootube wide. I like it better than neon I think. I'm gonna roll with it till glass-wide is don

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Aval0n:

done*

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justinh:

visor is old & probably hasn't been kept up to date

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Aval0n:

unless you decide you wanna drop a WIP to me :)

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clever_:

mzb_d800: i have and one of the things awas about a shortage of socket space

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clever_:

mzb_d800: so i flooded the system with 800 extra tcp connections and it didnt get worse

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** justinh re-iterates the fact that glass-wide will not be unleashed til it's ready. ffs :-\ **

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mzb_d800:

clever_: and I've noticed MTU msgs ... which rings a bell ... and I'm guessing you're on ADSL

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Aval0n:

hahah

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Der_Thomas:

Justinh: are you the author of Neon?

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GreyFoxx:

come on, let me at it early so I can be a whiny user!

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jams:

visor is long gone

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GreyFoxx:

heh jk

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: granted :)

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clever_:

mzb_d800: yep dsl

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jams:

wow ask and you shall receive

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GreyFoxx:

We're picking up a new flatscreen for xmas so I'll be moving to 16:9 on that frontend :)

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** Aval0n drops jaw at justinh **

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justinh:

bet visor won't work with mythtv past 0.16

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** jams looks around for glass-wide **

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justinh:

if you can guess the filename just grab it

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justinh:

:P

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Der_Thomas:

well I'm using Visor on my 0.20.2

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jams:

heh

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justinh:

Der_Thomas: I bet you don't use it with mythgallery

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: I've been watching your screenshots. Looks nice

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mzb_d800:

clever_: so I suggest you try researching the MTU issue ... it really rings a bell for me

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rooaus:

clever_: ADSL and mtu issues... pppoe vs pppoa, and didn't you say you were running a vpn?

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GreyFoxx:

Makes me wish myth could auto cycle through background photos randomly

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** justinh bets Visor makes mythgallery segfault **

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Aval0n:

darn you juski

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clever_:

rooaus: the vnc isnt being used for the crashing connnections

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Der_Thomas:

justinh: is that the photo viewer?

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clever_:

but it is pppoe

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justinh:

like "eeeeeeeee missing container! baaaad theme! naughty! segfault"

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justinh:

Der_Thomas: yeh

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rooaus:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, it is like myth porn ;)

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jams:

GreyFoxx- is there a dvd changer coming with that widescreen?

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Der_Thomas:

justinh, yeah it works just fine

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clever_:

vpn*

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justinh:

Der_Thomas: someone might've patched it, or else it doesn't have a gallery-ui.xml & just borrows the default one

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GreyFoxx:

jams: It might be :) Though coworkers are trying to convince me to just pick up 3 500G drives and rip the raw dvd's to that array heh

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jams:

heh

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** justinh has everything crossed he's gonna win that£14,000 package of enttertainment gear **

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GreyFoxx:

If I win the lotto tonight ($30 mil) I'll buy a few and send them to all the devs :)

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jams:

you should do both. That way you can add mass import abilities to mtd =)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

that would be neat :)

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justinh:

like 42", 32", 24" flat panels, ps3, xbox360, iphone etc.. all in one package. dream on mate ;)

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Der_Thomas:

justinh, yeah you are right no file called gallery-ui.xml

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justinh:

Der_Thomas: then that's why then

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justinh:

bet it's got no base.xml though, and no themeinfo.xml so it won't with with 0.21

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jams:

yep

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justinh:

is this Visor? http://www.2cpu.com/albums/htpc/mythtv_main.thumb.jpg

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Der_Thomas:

yep, just a theme.xml and a ui.xml

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jams:

yeah

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justinh:

ugh!

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justinh:

well, have fun with that, Der_Thomas

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jams:

at one time it was a popular theme

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jams:

so was photo

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justinh:

yeah I bet it was, back in 1980 something

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Der_Thomas:

justinh: you sound very knowlegeable in themes

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Der_Thomas:

justinh: which ones are yours?

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jams:

hehe

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jams:

maybe not 1980 =)

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justinh:

blootube, blootube-wide, blootubelite-wide, projectgrayhem, projectgrayhem-wide, blootube-osd, projectgrayhem-osd, neon-wide. not many really

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justinh:

and soon glass-wide & glass-osd

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Aval0n:

still alot of bugs in it juski?

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Der_Thomas:

Ah, OK, I am using Neon-wide, but I have a 4:3 TV. That is why I started messing around with making my own

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justinh:

not bugs as such

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GreyFoxx:

Got any screenshots of glass-osd or have you started that yet? I was thinking of making Gray-OSD more glasslike :)

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: not started yet

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Der_Thomas:

I put neon's background and logo into visor and it looks pretty cool

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justinh:

I'm not putting 'mythtv' on the menu pages this time. it's frickin obvious already innit

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: tempted to wait & see what happens with the base res. stuff before doing the osd

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rooaus:

justinh: You decided if you are using watermarks?

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Aval0n:

justinh do you see the I sent

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Aval0n:

or is it because I'm not registered

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justinh:

rooaus: they'll be optional

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justinh:

two theme.xml files :)

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justinh:

Aval0n: I've blocked all msgs

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: for changing the base OSD resolution from 640x480 ?

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: aye

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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rooaus:

justinh: Sweet

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Aval0n:

o

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Aval0n:

so how can I say something to you that I don't wan the whole chan to see?

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Aval0n:

:)

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rooaus:

It will be interesting to see how the OSD comes up if it can be done high res.

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iamlindoro_:

by typing it really quietly

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clever_:

mzb_d800: i'll try making that change in mtu and seeing thhe effectt

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justinh:

rooaus: it's already interesting to see how many people have a pop at making decent themes. i think gbee's had his eyes well & truly opened recently :)

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justinh:

it's been fun seeing him react to stuff I've come up against so many times :D

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Aval0n:

holy shit

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Aval0n:

dude

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mzb_d800:

clever_: I don't think that is the correct answer, but it may help (initially)

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Aval0n:

hats off to you justinh

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justinh:

Aval0n: what?

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Aval0n:

glass-wide looks crispy

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Aval0n:

the screens don't do it justice

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Aval0n:

how long does a theme like this take you to make?

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HReadren:

can someone help me with mythweather-revamp as in current svn? I had it set up once and then deleted screens now can't get them setup again.

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rooaus:

Yeah, it could be a good thing, someone with the ability to fix it too. :)

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rooaus:

justinh: ^

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HReadren:

Once I add the screens from inactive to active, it prompts for for "units", but I can never get the cursor to move to the active screens section to complete the setup. Is there some trick?

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justinh:

you doodle a bit (grayhem), mess about some more (blootube), go crazy with big images (blootube-wide), then learn to draw some more (revamps of blootube& grayhem). then you get pissed off with it all, get bored & come up with new ideas that kinda blow everything you've ever done away :)

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Aval0n:

=(

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justinh:

rooaus: there's no point fixing a lot of it right now otherwise I'd have had a go. I made a couple of chinks in it a while back but it's small beans

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justinh:

needs ported to mythui

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justinh:

and I ain't up to that yet

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Aval0n:

you've done a great job with all the transparency

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Aval0n:

program guide colors are still nice transparent

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justinh:

Aval0n: how long? dunno I should log this stuff. a while, put it that way

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Aval0n:

you accept donations?

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iamlindoro_:

Jeez, pm that stuff, I'm gettin all jealous

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justinh:

first draft of this, proof of concept if you like was months & months ago

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Aval0n:

how old is the one I just snagged

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Aval0n:

you know which one I mean..

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justinh:

Aval0n: bribes won't get you betas :P

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Aval0n:

I already have the beta if you will

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Aval0n:

I just want to donate anyway :)

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justinh:

rofl

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rooaus:

justinh: I think the mythui port and the qt4 port could bring some real love to the ui.

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justinh:

if I didn't accept donations would I really have a donate button? honestly

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Aval0n:

ahhh that's your personal site?

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jams:

hehehehe

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Aval0n:

didn't know

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justinh:

I have accepted donations in the past and I've had many a beer, thanks

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Aval0n:

mmm beer speaking of

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justinh:

Aval0n: call yourself a geek? ;)

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Aval0n:

I'm going to grab me a kilt-lifter

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Aval0n:

do I?

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Aval0n:

I try not to lol why?

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justinh:

I was disappointed I couldn't get my real name scrubbed from the records

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justinh:

there went the mystery themer tag. bum!

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Aval0n:

lol

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Der_Thomas:

Wow justinh it must be hard to not have a big head from AnalOn's praise huh?

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Aval0n:

eh?

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Aval0n:

he's already got a big head

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Der_Thomas:

haha

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justinh:

and dont, whatever you do, tell anybody in an ubuntu mythtv channel something you want kept secret for a while. sheesh

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Aval0n:

me praising him isn't gonna make any difference :)

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justinh:

Aval0n speaks the truth

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Aval0n:

:)

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Der_Thomas:

You do, do some good work though I have to admit

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Aval0n:

that default blue still slips through every now and again eh justinh?

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justinh:

big head, bad temper. reading stuff like "is it just me, or is everything shit?" helps

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Aval0n:

:)

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justinh:

Aval0n: it's an old tarball

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justinh:

fire safe backup or something

[00:45:07]

Aval0n:

cool

[00:45:17]

Aval0n:

not a big deal at all

[00:45:19]

johndbritton:

how can i troubleshoot the fact that commflagging isn't happening, jobs get added to the jobqueue but never get started or completed

[00:45:25]

justinh:

oh it is ;)

[00:45:27]

Aval0n:

it'll stop me from drooling until if finally gets released.

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Aval0n:

it*

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mzb_d800:

johndbritton: look at the backend logs (and|or increase log verbosity)

[00:48:04]

justinh:

oh ffs. uploading a new tarball now. no watermarks in this one though

[00:48:15]

johndbritton:

mzb_d800: how do i increase log verbosity

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justinh:

well they're _there_ but disabled

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mzb_d800:

johndbritton: see "# mythtv-backend --help" && "/etc/default/mythtv-backend"

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johndbritton:

thx

[00:50:10]

justinh:

and I'll be deleting the tarball in 5 minutes or so, so if you're gonna git, git it ;)

[00:50:17]

Aval0n:

ok sec...

[00:50:22]

iamlindoro_:

justin, wanna give any clues?

[00:50:35]

Aval0n:

did the name change juski?

[00:50:43]

justinh:

Aval0n: just finished uploading

[00:51:00]

Aval0n:

roger

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Aval0n:

working now thanks.

[00:51:26]

justinh:

stupid host won't let me change htaccess options on the package I got

[00:51:46]

justinh:

can't override dir listing stuff or anything :(

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justinh:

but I got ssh! woo

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justinh:

:-\

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Aval0n:

justin your real name is right on the donations page in your email too

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CCB0x45:

hey anyone know how to load an lirc kernel module but not have it conflict with other lirc kernel modules?

[00:53:02]

Aval0n:

how much is 5L in usd?

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iamlindoro_:

$10

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: I can give you free hosting of it on my box if you want. You can do what you want with htaccess options and such

[00:53:48]

justinh:

GreyFoxx: it's alright I don't really need dir listings. prefer not to have in certain places

[00:53:49]

Aval0n:

shipping and handling?

[00:53:51]

Aval0n:

wtf

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Aval0n:

they are charging me 1 dolloar for an electronics transaction hehehe

[00:54:19]

justinh:

Aval0n: if people wanna give me money I think it's fair to have my real name

[00:54:26]

Aval0n:

ahh ok

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justinh:

shipping & handling? heh

[00:54:41]

Aval0n:

yeah

[00:54:46]

Aval0n:

cause I'm us

[00:54:54]

Aval0n:

anyway donation sent

[00:54:58]

Aval0n:

i've used 3 of your themes

[00:55:07]

Aval0n:

all great jobs

[00:55:12]

Aval0n:

you deserv something

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justinh:

putting down, some would say. I'd agree with them from time to time

[00:55:49]

justinh:

right. deleting the tarball in 30 secs from now..

[00:55:53]

Aval0n:

there a lot of improvments in this new tarball?

[00:55:59]

Aval0n:

I'm done juski

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justinh:

Aval0n: a LOT

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Aval0n:

cool

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jams:

15 secs to go

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rooaus:

justinh: nooooo.... I am only getting 20KB and will be finished in 3mins :(

[00:56:34]

justinh:

less waste, less fonts

[00:56:36]

Aval0n:

this older one it's hard to see what's selected in view recordings

[00:56:38]

Aval0n:

is that changed?

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rooaus:

2:50

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justinh:

Aval0n: you'd be better clearing your themecache

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Aval0n:

yessir

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justinh:

just as well I only renamed the file eh

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justinh:

well, anyone could've guessed it before anyway, so it can stay a bit longer

[00:58:52]

rooaus:

justinh: You are a scholar and a gentleman. :)

[00:58:52]

** iamlindoro_ clearly missed the part of the conversation where everyone figured out the file name. **

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iamlindoro_:

curse my fourth grade reading level.

[00:59:24]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: it's called glass-wide & it's in the same dir as the other tarballs. hmmm

[00:59:37]

justinh:

you do the math :P

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** GreyFoxx looks at the time and waits for the storm to hit. **

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Aval0n:

it turned purple on me :)

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justinh:

seems our mini-blitz is over for the time being

[01:00:37]

justinh:

the air has been thick with smoke since about 6pm

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iamlindoro_:

Yargh

[01:00:54]

iamlindoro_:

It *was my 4th grade reading lever

[01:01:03]

iamlindoro_:

turns out bz2 and gz aren't the same, sigh

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justinh:

somebody once told me bz2 was slightly more efficient than anything else, so i use that

[01:01:51]

GreyFoxx:

it's more efficient for text

[01:02:09]

justinh:

pngs are already compressed, so they don't compress much, if any

[01:02:16]

rooaus:

justinh: Thanks, do you want constructive feedback (bugs I mean, not why don't you do it my way) or is it "as is"?

[01:02:43]

iamlindoro_:

uh oh

[01:02:50]

justinh:

rooaus: shouldn't be any bugs. been stomping em a lot here. mythmusic is broken yada yada

[01:02:52]

** GreyFoxx assumes as is :) **

[01:03:12]

** iamlindoro_ has seen what happens when people get "constructive." hehe **

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Aval0n:

anyone else have problems commecial skipping HD chans?

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Aval0n:

some commercials if they have images on the 4:3 bars makes mythtv think the show is back on

[01:03:40]

justinh:

rooaus: put it this way I don't want no stinking tickets for it :P

[01:03:40]

johndbritton:

mzb_d800: now that ive enabled the verbosity flags, and im tailing the logfile... how can i get mythtv to try and run a job from the jobqueue

[01:03:43]

Aval0n:

which throws it all off and ends up skipping large amounts of the shows sometimes.

[01:03:51]

iamlindoro_:

Aval0n, not really, but if you have a bad signal it can end up bad... if you have strong signal, I usually get pretty consistent results

[01:04:06]

Aval0n:

i have a very strong signal

[01:04:13]

Aval0n:

it's 100% on SD chans

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iamlindoro_:

Meh, then that's my only input :)

[01:04:18]

Aval0n:

but for the QAM stuff it's 50/50

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rooaus:

np, I wasn't planning on it. Assumed "as is" but thought better to ask :)

[01:04:42]

justinh:

rooaus: no show-stoppers AFAIK

[01:05:03]

justinh:

I'm trying to make it Adeffs-proof

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rooaus:

heh

[01:05:33]

justinh:

well at least from a getting all the text to fit point of view. not the radii of the corners

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Aval0n:

juski does the background have to be a .png?

[01:06:12]

Aval0n:

bah never mind

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justinh:

I know if the radius of the top left corner was 2px less I could get an extra 1 pixel in for the show description...

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justinh:

who?

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Aval0n:

you aren't going by juski anymore I take it?

[01:06:39]

justinh:

he's dead, Jim

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Aval0n:

okay

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Aval0n:

roger that.

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justinh:

not that there was much point changing, since I was 'outed' at LRL last year anyway. fs. that'll teach you not to keep your nose clean (and hair on) in logged interwebs channels

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rooaus:

iamlindoro_: You know what they say about opinions and a$$holes? Everyones got one. ;)

[01:08:07]

iamlindoro_:

hrm?

[01:08:10]

iamlindoro_:

s'pose so

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iamlindoro_:

and they stink.

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mzb_d800:

johndbritton: go to "watch recordings", select something and press "right arrow", "Job Options", "comm flag"

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rooaus:

iamlindoro_: Wasn't aimed at you, was just a general comment.

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Aval0n:

justinh: how come you went away from the rounded corners on the channel boxes on program guide?

[01:11:52]

justinh:

Aval0n: that could change back. I prefer them like this for now

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justinh:

rounded corners don't scale awfully well

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Aval0n:

ahh

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justinh:

looking back at that screen I think they'll have to be redone anyway

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Aval0n:

I'm a fan of roundness :)

[01:13:59]

justinh:

I spent about an hour trying to fix that dark rectangle at the left hand side of the EPG grid :-\

[01:14:38]

justinh:

... til I saw it move & realised it indicates the current time

[01:15:09]

justinh:

never seen any other pvr with that feature

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DapOrp:

is the only way to apply "patches" for mythtv by recompiling the freaking thing?

[01:15:31]

justinh:

DapOrp: yep

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mzb_d800:

I'm just having a play with mytharchive, and noticed a problem ... I have my temp and share directories setup, but when I go to create an archive, it reports free space for the root device, not the mount points ???

[01:15:39]

DapOrp:

nice.

[01:15:52]

DapOrp:

I shouldn't have used this mythubuntu or whatever disk then.

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Staticwave_Ace:

DapOrp: uh, thats the defintinon of a patch, you patch the source code

[01:16:20]

DapOrp:

anyone know of a livecd that already contains the patches for things like NA satellites?

[01:17:20]

GreyFoxx:

IF you are referring to softcam/sasc patches, no

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iamlindoro_:

As in, north american satellites? You know that you can't just run a US satellite right into a card like the rest of the world can, right?

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** justinh sends a batch of black helicopters over to DapOrp **

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justinh:

run, DapOrp, run!

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DapOrp:

i'm referring to being able to scan the FTA channels off of Dishnet's birds.

[01:18:20]

DapOrp:

which I *can* do.

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GreyFoxx:

DapOrp: have they added more FTA channels that just the movie network preview channels? Cause that's all they had last time I looked

[01:19:11]

GreyFoxx:

and those preview channels were just the 24/7 ads for the movies on the encrypted channels

[01:19:21]

GreyFoxx:

and you don't need patches for those

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DapOrp:

there's a few, some local channels as well.

[01:19:40]

mzb_d800:

dm, hadn't selected destination file

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DapOrp:

apparently I do need a patch for it, because I can't scan the bird at all.

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johndbritton:

2007-11–03 21:17:46.678 JobQueue: GetJobsInQueue: Found 'Flag Commercials' Job for 1035 @ 20071103200000 in Queued state.

[01:19:51]

johndbritton:

thats what i found in the log

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DapOrp:

all I get is timeout's and no-table messages.

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rooaus:

johndbritton: Have you enabled flaggin jobs for that backend?

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mzb_d800:

johndbritton: and have MaxSimultaneousJobs > 1 ?

[01:23:57]

johndbritton:

heres my settings table from mysql,,, from what i see i have it enabled http://pastebin.com/m505332fb

[01:24:49]

johndbritton:

but here is what the logfile says.. http://pastebin.com/m773a1e5e

[01:28:23]

johndbritton:

fixed it

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johndbritton:

thanks for helping me get that rooaus and mzb_d800 ... i guess the hostname changed for the backend and the setting was turned off

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rooaus:

johndbritton: np

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johndbritton:

do you know what the setting is called to start commflagging shortly after recording has started?

[01:46:26]

rooaus:

johndbritton: "Start Auto-Commercial Flagging jobs when the recording starts"?

[01:46:57]

johndbritton:

has that been implemented do you know... i read about it somewhere a week or two ago

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rooaus:

I am using trunk and it is in there, not sure about -fixes though.

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mzb_d800:

hmm, looks like mytharchive doesn't remove old files if cancelled ... let's hope they're removed when I start the job again

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mzb_d800:

yep

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mzb_d800:

cool

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justinh:

hmm mythmusic is coming along nicely

[02:04:09]

mzb_d800:

on your theme? or in general?

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jarle_:

justinh: improvements in UI I hope?

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justinh:

jarle_: theme

[02:05:32]

jarle_:

justinh: the UI hasn't been very intuitive so far IMHO..

[02:06:06]

justinh:

yeah but what can ya do? ;)

[02:06:14]

mzb_d800:

I'd love to see some integration with mythvideo ... would be great to mix music with music videos :)

[02:06:16]

justinh:

I can mash bitmaps up

[02:06:21]

mzb_d800:

(and shoutcast;)

[02:06:34]

jarle_:

justinh: just add some bright colours and hope everybody will be happy then :)

[02:06:34]

justinh:

one player for everything (tm)

[02:07:01]

justinh:

jarle_: staying away from colour for this theme. and no that doesn't mean grey either

[02:07:20]

jarle_:

justinh: a screenshot of your mythmusic theme?

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mzb_d800:

I guess .. although I'd be happy for "Music" to be different to "Videos|Recordings" in general ... they suit different purposes

[02:08:20]

jarle_:

justinh: when making a theme you can also choose where to put the different objects on the screen, correct?

[02:08:21]

mzb_d800:

iow: video playback in mythmusic would be fine

[02:08:32]

justinh:

mzb_d800: switching categories need only be a keypress away ;)

[02:09:11]

mzb_d800:

using the all-in-one approach, yes I guess so ... but I figure that would take a lots of mods

[02:09:18]

justinh:

so? ;)

[02:09:26]

mzb_d800:

ie: time + work

[02:09:41]

justinh:

jarle_: you can control placement to a certain extent. layouts which work are few & far between though

[02:09:44]

mzb_d800:

whereas video playback for music seems to be relatively simple

[02:10:04]

justinh:

www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/images/music.png is what I have so far

[02:10:29]

justinh:

the background is up to the user to choose – i.e. they can use their own

[02:10:40]

mzb_d800:

404

[02:10:41]

jarle_:

justinh: not found...

[02:10:50]

justinh:

doh

[02:11:00]

justinh:

www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/screenshots/music.png

[02:12:31]

jarle_:

justinh: missing information telling the user which buttons to press (1–4) ?

[02:12:53]

Computer_Czar:

Does anyone here use the uPNP AV Mediaserver in Mythtv?

[02:13:06]

mzb_d800:

took me a while to work out the (significant) difference ... more room for the playlist ... nice

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justinh:

jarle_: there's no room for any of that

[02:14:02]

GreyFoxx:

Computer_Czar: I do, and my father does. One of his frontends is a dlink upnp player

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Computer_Czar:

Does that let you stream live video or only recorded video?

[02:14:48]

mzb_d800:

heh .. that was fun ... mytharchive creating a dvd, recording dvb to drive (from SBE), and listening to 256Kbit shoutcast ... does a good job for a piece of junk :)

[02:14:53]

GreyFoxx:

only recorded

[02:15:00]

GreyFoxx:

There is no support for live

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Computer_Czar:

ok

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mzb_d800:

ah well, looks like I'm going to have to attend to the workstation sooner rather than later ... mytharchive doesn't farm out any of it's jobs

[02:25:29]

DapOrp:

does mythtv take an eternity to compile or did i do something wrong?

[02:26:21]

AndyCap:

hmm, are there any videoformats that support metadata like id3 tags for mp3 files?

[02:26:34]

Computer_Czar:

DapOrp: Usually no

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Computer_Czar:

Well at least not for me

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Computer_Czar:

Also they give instructions for multi-system compiles that are beneficial for multicore systems

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Aval0n:

justinh you there/

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AndyCap:

Mpeg-7, heh, hope it's not patented

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justinh:

Aval0n: ish

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Aval0n:

hey

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Aval0n:

is there anyway in myth you can set the background to run animated gifs?

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justinh:

no

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Aval0n:

cause I saw a directtv pvr

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Aval0n:

and it had some looping smoke animation in the back

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Aval0n:

ahh ok

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Aval0n:

just thought it would look cool in a theme.

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justinh:

mpegs would be better anyway

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Aval0n:

yeah for sure

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Aval0n:

but I know that's not supported as of yet :)

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justinh:

anyway gif is a lame image format. only 256 colours

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Aval0n:

very true but for smoke.. :)

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Aval0n:

white black and grey

[02:39:26]

Aval0n:

anyway just a lame idea

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Aval0n:

i love the way glass-wide looks, the only think I miss is the different high-res pics for each option

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Aval0n:

I like minimalist looks too

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Aval0n:

very crispy

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justinh:

Aval0n: you can re-enable them by uncommenting watermark stuff in theme.xml

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Aval0n:

oh, those are called watermarks?

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johndbritton:

im still having a bit of trouble with commflagging, the jobqueue starts flagging, and i can see it going from mythweb. then mythweb shows each recording as finished commflagging with 139 breaks found... in the mythbackend log i see a segmentation fault followed by this error http://pastebin.com/m6c6b44c6

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Aval0n:

do I have to add my own pngs for it juski?

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Aval0n:

cause uncommenting didn't seem to make a difference

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KE6IGZ:

is there any way to limit the amount of disk space MythTV is allowed to use?

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Aval0n:

nevermind

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jams:

KE6IGZ- yes it's in general settings 2nd page

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jams:

"extra disk space"

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jams:

amazing

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KE6IGZ:

is that in mythtv-setup?

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leprasmurf:

hello all

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leprasmurf:

just got my shiny new happauge 150, but when I hook the cable up to it the video quality is no better than an antenna and there's no sound. Anyone else thinking a bad card?

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justinh:

Aval0n: yeh them's is watermarks

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justinh:

cheers for the donation btw Aval0n

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justinh:

I'm off to bed. busy day ahead

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jedix:

umm

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jedix:

mythtv seems to think there is guide data until 2037

[03:19:46]

jedix:

is there a way to fix this?

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fryfrog:

stop time traveling?

[03:21:03]

jedix:

the doctor won't be happy with you.

[03:22:19]

jedix:

but really

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jedix:

is there some way to easily remove all guide data and pull it again?

[03:24:43]

jedix:

ah, yes there is

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jedix:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/295940

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... restarted frontend while a mytharchive job was running, deleted lck file, but still can't start a new job ... any ideas?

[03:27:33]

mzb_d800:

(running svn)

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mzb_d800:

restarting frontend with -v all

[03:29:38]

mzb_d800:

nope, trying backend

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clever_:

mzb_d800: i tryed changing my mtu and rebooting

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clever_:

mzb_d800: but then i couldnt even get past the router

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clever_:

mzb_d800: (dns failed and no connections outside the lan worked)

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mzb_d800:

yep, like I said ... didn't think that was the right method

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mzb_d800:

I do remember having (similar) problems twice:

[03:33:43]

mzb_d800:

(with M$ machines)

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mzb_d800:

the first time was so long ago I can't remember the details, but I'm pretty sure I found the answer with google

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mzb_d800:

the second time was when I was using routed+bridged+wifi+bluetooth (long story) ... part of the problem was MTU, and the other part were the limitations of wifi (no source address in packet, iirc)

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clever_:

wifi has a source & dest mac

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clever_:

and a bssid mac(mac of the router AP)

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mzb_d800:

routed

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mzb_d800:

so I'm sorry, apart from giving you a strong hint that it is MTU-related, I can't give you more info

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clever_:

all of which i beleive are outside of the encryptable half i think

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mchou:

hmm...how would IP work on LAN w/o MAC addrs?

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clever_:

ethernet and wifi are based on mac's

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mchou:

clever_: my point exactly

[03:37:29]

clever_:

ARP is used to convert back and forth

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mzb_d800:

have a look at the wifi spec :) ... there's something about problems with a lack of a particular aspect of the source which means that using a wifi device in the middle can cause problems ..

[03:37:43]

clever_:

send a msg to the broadcast mac asking who has 192.168.1.1

[03:38:05]

clever_:

(gateways works by sending to the web ip and gateway mac)

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mchou:

mzb_d800: linky?

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mzb_d800:

err

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mzb_d800:

hang on, I've got a good description somewhere in my logs

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clever_:

firefox is f'ed up

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clever_:

cant change tabs with the mouse

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clever_:

fixed by restart but lost all the info i just finished loading

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clever_:

mzb_d800: the page i used was http://support.microsoft.com/kb/283165

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clever_:

it feels like its for changing the mtu on the pppoe interface

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clever_:

which isnt on the xp box(probly why it made things worse)

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mzb_d800:

yep

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clever_:

i probly need to change it on the LAN

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mchou:

flatulence

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clever_:

i'll check the mtu stuff in the switch also

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mzb_d800:

found the quote, just looking for an archive

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clever_:

java interface on the switch isnt responding well

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clever_:

pure white page:P

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mzb_d800:

http://openpaste.org/en/3746/

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clever_:

ahh repeaters

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clever_:

dont have any of them yet

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clever_:

i do have wifi but its only used for 1 laptop

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clever_:

which is rarely on

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mzb_d800:

I had a bluetooth PAN + wifi bridged (on a headless h2200) where I struck that problem _and_ the MTU problem

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mzb_d800:

...from bluetooth PDA's acting as clients

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mzb_d800:

lot of MTU related issues

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clever_:

i had my dads treo 650 'dialup' into my linux box thru bluetooth

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mzb_d800:

it "seemed" to get better at around an MTU of 1172 (iirc), but the bottom line was that the setup was just poor

[03:50:58]

clever_:

i made a virtual serial port and stuck a pppd on it basicaly

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clever_:

ahhh

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clever_:

sourcemac!=clientmac

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clever_:

when using repeaters it has to go thru a repeater to get back

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clever_:

in a switch it knows what port it heard the mac from and where to send replies back

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clever_:

but wifi doesnt have a 'port' going to anoher wifi box

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leprasmurf:

just got my shiny new happauge 150, but when I hook the cable up to it the video quality is no better than an antenna and there's no sound. Anyone else thinking a bad card?

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clever_:

mzb_d800: i also forgot to update the gateway ip in my switch

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kdubya:

why would the video quality be better than an antenna

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clever_:

mzb_d800: but id think that would just cause problems with its internal ping tests and ntp

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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leprasmurf:

kdubya: the video quality is horrible like a poorly set antenna

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clever_:

mzb_d800: and changes i make to the gateway/dns arent sticking...

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kdubya:

the card is not going to be as sensitive as your TV's tuner

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kdubya:

the signal might not be strong enough

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mzb_d800:

*sigh* ... still having problems with a crashed mytharchive session ... I've deleted the entire contents of the workdir (including logs), but mytharchive still won't let me create a new job

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leprasmurf:

kdubya: when you say it's not as sensitive as my tv's, are you saying that what looks good on my tv might not look good on the card?\

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mzb_d800:

yes

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kdubya:

correct

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mzb_d800:

check your signal strength on both

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leprasmurf:

how?

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mzb_d800:

check info on STB (??)

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mzb_d800:

when watching LiveTV in myth you should probably get a quick OSD msg that shows signal strength

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mzb_d800:

apart from that, you'd have to use cmdline tools that suit your card

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mzb_d800:

(ie. different to my dvb-t ones;)

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leprasmurf:

cool, ty

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leprasmurf:

I was ready to send the card back claiming hardware malfunction

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clever_:

mzb_d800: found the mtu settings in the switch

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kdubya:

it will likely never be as good as connecting cable strait to your TV

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clever_:

mzb_d800: i could force the switch to 1492 which may spread to the systems connected to it

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mzb_d800:

not sure if that's the answer ... ymmv

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mzb_d800:

this is hauntingly familiar ... maybe I'll remember it today ... maybe next year :|

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** RyeBrye just got a new hdtv :) **

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** RyeBrye no longer has a POS fuzzy SDTV **

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clever_:

lol

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clever_:

forgot i was watching mythtv

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clever_:

i thought that was live:P

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mzb_d800:

yeah, I keep doing that :) ... forget to skip the ads ;)

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clever_:

i cant watch at the same time as recording

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RyeBrye:

are you comflagging?

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clever_:

or i damage the recording

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RyeBrye:

are you recording to a glass disk or something?

[04:06:17]

RyeBrye:

or a wax ring?

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mzb_d800:

yes, but I often watch live

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clever_:

normal harddrive:P

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clever_:

but the cpu cant encode in real time with the added load of decoding

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clever_:

or i get these by the ton

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clever_:

2007-11–03 23:01:36.251 NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Ran out of free AUDIO buffers :-(

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clever_:

2007-11–03 23:01:36.296 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.1.60

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clever_:

2007-11–03 23:01:36.343 NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Teletext#3 ran out of free TEXT buffers :-(

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mzb_d800:

my dvb tuner spits out mpeg2, so even my old p3–650 can watch SD off it, live!

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clever_:

frame grabber!

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clever_:

1.6ghz

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RyeBrye:

ahhh, gotcha

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clever_:

that says it all:P

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RyeBrye:

Anyone know what I need to do to get fedora to let me pick 1080p for my resolution?

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clever_:

i have an idea though to watch real livetv

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clever_:

without decoding

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clever_:

frame grabber dump to the video memory like it was designed to

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clever_:

and you copy that for encoding to drive

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clever_:

you loose seeking but dont have the load of decoding what you just compressed

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kdubya:

RyeBrye, you probably need to edit your xorg.conf

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clever_:

i have a slave backend just for transcoding

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clever_:

but it sometimes gets shutdown mid transcode

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clever_:

the jobs die and i think they restart next time the box starts

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clever_:

but they wont finish enless the box is on for several hours in a row

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clever_:

and it probly leaves a ton of .tmp files from every crash

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clever_:

(1gig atm including transcodes that are working)

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djc__:

hrm. how do I remove/cancel a commercial flag job

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djc__:

cant seem to find that in the menu

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xris:

djc__: can't just let it finish?

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[R]:

i've been using and compiling myth for years... it's segging like crazy and i have no clue

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xris:

[R]: I have trouble with firewire and segfaults

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xris:

but that may not be myth's fault

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clever_:

[R]: make clean;make;make install maybe?

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[R]:

i've recompiled like 5 times already

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[R]:

i tried recomiling both myth and qt with debug and it looks like its segging in qt... which of course doesnt really help me much

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clever_:

enless myth gives qt a bad/damaged object

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clever_:

(then id blame myth)

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clever_:

QString*segfault=NULL;segfault->append...;

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clever_:

now it probly faults within the qt lib

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mzb_d800:

yay! ... got another USB DVB tuner .. au$23 (delivered) ... let's hope I can get it to work ;)

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clever_:

want to send one my way?:P

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clever_:

i might be able to use the ones you cant get to work

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mzb_d800:

lol

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clever_:

i need to get rid of this frame grabber

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mzb_d800:

can't?

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mzb_d800:

I don't have a machine fast enough (in my myth network) for a frame-grabber ... although the bt878 is ok as a backup

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clever_:

i mean you give me a usb recorder

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clever_:

and i stick my grabber in a box and forget i ever had it

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mzb_d800:

what is it?

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clever_:

bt848 i think

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mzb_d800:

no thanks :)

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clever_:

0000:02:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt848 Video Capture (rev 12)

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mzb_d800:

s/878/848/

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mzb_d800:

watch eBay ... and learn some sneaky bidding techniques ;P

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clever_:

lol

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clever_:

that doesnt solve my lack of money to buy a card with:P

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mzb_d800:

my first DVB tuner (also USB) was $20 (delivered)

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mzb_d800:

time to go to outlaws for tea, later

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clever_:

my only tuner was free from my uncle:P

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clever_:

and the tuner was pretty crappy when i last used it(in win98 years ago)

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clever_:

external tuner works pretty good with it

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[R]:

can anyone get to svn.mythtv.org?

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xris:

web is down

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xris:

hang on

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xris:

should be back now

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[R]:

sweet, thanks

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[R]:

i'm using the latest svn... which might be part of my problem... i'm gonna roll back to an arbitrarily older rev and see if it works

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johnny99:

anyone have trouble with a dvb-s card and an sw44?

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johnny99:

the sw21 works just dandy – with my twinhan – but it just won't get signals from the sw44 – even though my sub'd hd rec. has no probs.

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Gumby:

I\m searching for, and failing to find thus far, where I tell the transcode feature to honour cutlists. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

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xris:

Gumby: pretty sure it does that by default

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xris:

didn't know there was a way to turn it off

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Gumby:

hrm, I manually flagged commercials and then transcoded. When watching the video there are still commercials. Maybe mythfrontend is still playing the old file

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xris:

flag != cut

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xris:

or do you mean you created a manual cutlist. flagging is generally an automated process

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Gumby:

no, I didnt create a cutlist. I just ran mythcomflag via mythfrontend.

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Gumby:

I assumed that mythcommflag created the cutlist and transcode would honour the cutlist

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Gumby:

is this supposed to happen by default or is there somewhere I can set this so it happens

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xris:

flagging is not the same as a cutlist.

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xris:

if you want a cutlist, you either need to use mythtranscode manually with --gencutlist, or tell mythtv to always skip commercials (or one of the settings like that)

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xris:

personally, I like to check that the flagging actually worked (it's nowhere near 100% accurate) and create a cutlist manually (using the flag list as a basis by pressing Z while in the cutlist editor).

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Gumby:

so after I tell mythtv to always skip commercials, when I transcode the resulting file will have commercials removed or with they will just still be flagged?

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rooaus:

Gumby: mythtranscode --help lists the shortopt "-l" and the longopt "--honorcutlist" which looks like what you want if run from command line :) If run as a backend job I believe honorcutlist is a default behaviour. I think you are mixing up two different ways of launching it.

[09:01:42]

xris:

Gumby: there is some option there that will make it auto-generate the cutlist

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xris:

rooaus: you need to generate the cutlist first (--gencutlist)... just because the commercials have been identified doesn't mean that a cutlist exists

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xris:

Gumby: you could always just create a user job to run `mythtranscode --gencutlist` after flagging

[09:02:33]

Gumby:

As my end result I am looking to have recorded shows without commercials in them

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xris:

if you let mythtv do everything automatically, you'll have about 80% accuracy with commercials.. meaning, 20% of the time, you'll get extra commercial or less show.

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Gumby:

k, maybe I'll just leave commercials and just flag them.

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xris:

or wait until daytime (in the USA) and someone might be around who knows which setting it is to get mythtv to auto-create the cutlist

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Gumby:

I was hoping to get 1hr's worth of recording down to under 750mb. I'm pretty close with having the commercials in and I didnt want to fiddle too much with the transcoder settings. I figured if I could just get rid of the commercials without having to do it manually

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rooaus:

xris: ah, I was just tralling the source and missed that. It is not accurate enough for me to do that automatically.

[09:07:38]

rooaus:

s/tralling/trawling

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Gumby:

anyhow, thanks for the info guys. Its bedtime for me

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rooaus:

Gumby: The other way could be to let myth flag the commercials, then enter the recording and switch to the editor using "E". Then you can use "Z" to load the cutlist from commercial skips. This allows you to check the accuracy of the commercial detection then schedule the transcode the normal way from the frontend.

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clever_:

Gumby: i normaly hit E to enter edit mode, then Z to load the commflaging into the cutlist,then use pageup/down to jump between cutpoints and fine tune them

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rooaus:

lol

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clever_:

then once im happy with it i exit(m) and transcode

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clever_:

when in edit cutlist mode up/down changes the 'timeunit' and left/right go forward/back 1 'timeunit'

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clever_:

once a cutlist is in there it seems to obey it durring playback(dont see a way to disable)

[09:26:22]

clever_:

cant even seek into a cut part(bug in mplayer lets me do that there)

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t0ny2:

I have my mythtv setup to shutdown when idle, its been working but now it says "Mythtv idle." in mythwelcome and just sits there. Any ideas to get it working again?

[09:27:13]

clever_:

hit m and check if its locked

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t0ny2:

Its not

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t0ny2:

Next recording is at 8am so it should be shutting off.

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clever_:

out of ideas from me:P

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t0ny2:

Bah :(

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clever_:

i dont even use automatic shutdown

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clever_:

but i should enable it on my dads system

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t0ny2:

Weird thign is I have not changed anything.

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clever_:

he doesnt even want linux on it

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clever_:

but if i remove it i loose a extra flaging cpu and it stops booting

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t0ny2:

lol

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clever_:

if i enable automatic shutdown when idle

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clever_:

i can queue up 20 jobs from my frontend

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clever_:

boot his into linux and it shut off on its own when out of jobs

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clever_:

current problem is that i keep having to reboot it to xp for him and wind up killing transcodes midway(leaving .tmp files eating up gig)

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t0ny2:

If he does not want linux on then you should try to setup some sort of live cd or network boot.

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clever_:

ive yet to get grub to build for networking

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clever_:

and if i remove the linux now XP will stop booting

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clever_:

(grub tookover the MBR)

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t0ny2:

Or, that cygwin

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clever_:

does mythtv even build in cygwin?:P

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t0ny2:

Dont know

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t0ny2:

I dont use windows much

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clever_:

good

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clever_:

:P

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t0ny2:

:)

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clever_:

id avoid it at all costs

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clever_:

but i still cant get my dad away from it

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t0ny2:

I have a 10gb partition on my macbook for games and other then that I dont touch windows.

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t0ny2:

And I dont play games that offten.

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clever_:

and some of my programs are still in a language that only runs well on winblows

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clever_:

then theres games

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clever_:

ive managed to build a duke nukem 3d that runs natively in linux

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clever_:

but most other games dont run right in wine

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clever_:

feels like a SIGHUP to me...

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xris:

clever: you usually need cedega to run windows games in linux

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t0ny-palm:

ok, its working

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** xris goes to sleep **

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clever:

t0ny-palm: yeah i can get 'irc' on my palm

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clever:

but i dont actualy run the irc client there

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t0ny-palm:

I was going to say I have duke on my palm

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clever:

i run a ssh client(pssh) which attaches to screen

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clever:

then inside screen(on my laptop at home) is the same client im using right now

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t0ny-palm:

I have pssh on here too

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clever:

so my nick doesnt even go offline and i can see old msgs from the phone

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t0ny-palm:

look up maiu

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t0ny-palm:

I could use that on my palm but I'm too lazy right now.

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clever:

id like to get linux on my palm but im not shure what it may overwrite

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t0ny-palm:

It deletes every thing

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t0ny-palm:

so backup first

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clever:

treo 650

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t0ny-palm:

I'm waiting for a wifi driver for my lifedrive

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clever:

i allready backed the whole phone up awhile ago

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clever:

and it had a problem a little while ago

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clever:

instead of comming to me to restore the backup

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clever:

dad formated it and reinstalled everything

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clever:

and sync'ed the rest back in

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t0ny-palm:

lol

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clever:

probly lost the pssh settings in the processes(still havent restored the private key)

[09:38:45]

clever:

i copyed the prog off the SD chip at one point

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clever:

to copy into a diff chip

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clever:

then i delete the prog from the phone

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clever:

and the idiot palmos deletes all settings to be 'helpfull'

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t0ny-palm:

I cant get keys to wok on mine

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clever:

i put the bt dongle on the linux box(kde) and managed to easily copy the file over(as a note)

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jeffery:

how does everyone deal with tv stations not running the schedule on time and when I record the show.. it starts according to the schedule but caprures stuff from the previous show?

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t0ny-palm:

Ok, I'm going to bed, on screen keyboard suck for irc.

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t0ny-p40:

See miau :)

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t0ny-p40:

on my palm

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t0ny-p40:

ok, i really should go to bed. Night all.

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

thats why i didnt find anything searching for maiu

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clever:

does mysql and mythtv have to be in the same timezone setting?

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Zathraz:

Hi. I run mythtv 0.20–2 on Debian. I have an issue with MythDVD: no sound, no menus, only first movie file gets played (tested on several DVDs). Sound works ok on TV and MP3. I am using the internal player.

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mzb_d800:

clever_: have a look at syslinux || colinux

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clever:

mzb_d800: yeah i allready thought of using colinux

[12:37:35]

clever:

mzb_d800: but that still doesnt solve the problem that XP now needs grub to boot(which needs the linux partition)

[12:37:48]

clever:

colinux would allow me to leech his cpu while he runs xp though

[12:38:11]

mzb_d800:

boot into XP, start a cmdline ... I think there's and fdisk option to replace the mbr

[12:38:20]

clever:

yeah

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mzb_d800:

that will remove the grub mbr

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clever:

the repair options of the recovery console(on cd and installable) also fix mbr

[12:39:07]

clever:

those are more meant to fix it after the 'oh shit' moment after linux is gone

[12:39:13]

clever:

and you find out its now unbootable:P

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mzb_d800:

no, in windows

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mzb_d800:

there's a "hidden" option to fdisk

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mzb_d800:

I don't recall if grub has netboot ability, but you could always make a switchable mbr || menu with syslinux

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mzb_d800:

(that could be scripted)

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clever:

grub can load the kernel/config/initrd from the network

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clever:

and grub itself can be fed to the netboot code in most bios's i think

[12:41:13]

clever:

problem is building the ethernet drivers into grub

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mzb_d800:

iirc, there were some aspects of grub that made it less than perfect for netboot ... ymmv (and my knowledge is old)

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clever:

ive also read a page on booting a .iso without burning

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mzb_d800:

sounds like replacing mbr and going for colinux on your dad's machine might be better

[12:42:15]

clever:

which mentioned grub4dos and editing boot.ini(XP's version of /etc/grub/menu.list)

[12:42:15]

clever:

that would just leech off the existing os chooser in xp

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clever:

im only using 2gig of his space(out of 80)

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mzb_d800:

you'd still end up with the situation of "Hey Son! Why can't I use my computer?"

[12:43:06]

clever:

and grub just adds a few seconds to the bootup(i set xp as default when i installed and didnt even tell him it was there:P)

[12:43:27]

mzb_d800:

colinux sounds like a better solution

[12:43:48]

mzb_d800:

(and start it as a service ... he'll never know it's there;)

[12:43:57]

clever:

i set grub up to hide it in the bootup chain so he wouldnt notice it at first

[12:43:58]

clever:

he kept reminding me to take the livecd out after i shut it down

[12:43:58]

clever:

he didnt notice it was a hdd install:P

[12:44:22]

clever:

he might notice the cpu load mythtranscode is sucking out of it 23/6

[12:44:23]

mzb_d800:

heh ... hidden grub :)

[12:44:37]

mzb_d800:

got something for you:

[12:44:49]

clever:

also would mythbackend even build in colinux(to automaticaly fire mythtranscodes off)

[12:44:49]

mzb_d800:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=81

[12:45:01]

mzb_d800:

(draft notes)

[12:45:08]

clever:

also the colinux way would probly disable the ability to use mythfrontend

[12:45:45]

clever:

hiddenmenu is enabled by default in ubuntu but its only hidden well on crt's that take a short while to warm up

[12:45:52]

mzb_d800:

no, you'd be able to ssh -X into the colinux machine

[12:45:54]

clever:

dad has lcd

[12:46:06]

clever:

ssh -X is horibly slow

[12:46:13]

clever:

export DISPLAY=localsystem:0

[12:46:16]

clever:

way faster

[12:46:21]

mzb_d800:

no, hiddenmenu is not enabled in ubuntu ... and grub does not implement it in the way I like

[12:46:22]

clever:

but still breaks XV

[12:46:42]

clever:

ssh -X has horid lag

[12:46:52]

clever:

i enabled tcp listening in all my X servers

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clever:

and xhost +remotesystem

[12:47:08]

clever:

then i can DISPLAY=local:0 xterm &

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mzb_d800:

check my grub splash

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clever:

and an xterm shows up on a diff box and runs as fast as local

[12:47:30]

clever:

also usefull with thinclients

[12:47:36]

mzb_d800:

imagine machine boots, BIOS screen, then LinuxInside ... etc

[12:47:51]

clever:

my cf-25 bearly had any ram

[12:47:53]

mzb_d800:

no "hit ESC for menu" warning (but still the ability to do so)

[12:48:01]

clever:

i fired up a X -terminate(close after all clients)

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clever:

then an xterm and xhost +laptop

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clever:

then on the laptop i 'DISPLAY=cf25:0 gnome-session&'

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clever:

and it looks like i just logged into gnome on the laptop

[12:48:43]

clever:

and everything works allmost perfectly

[12:49:27]

mzb_d800:

you said before that you only wanted your Dad's machine as extra horsepower for commflagging ... surely you don't need to run a gui on it (other than mythtv-setup)

[12:49:35]

clever:

yeah

[12:49:43]

clever:

but i sometimes use it as a spare frontend

[12:49:48]

mzb_d800:

so ssh -X should be more than enough

[12:50:02]

clever:

and once i get him to actualy use myth he will allready have a working frontend

[12:50:04]

mzb_d800:

well, you didn't mention that before :)

[12:50:42]

mzb_d800:

have a look at some of the M$ mythtv frontends ... and run a backend under colinux .. best of both worlds

[12:50:54]

mzb_d800:

s/frontends/"viewers"/

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clever:

ive set gdm to login as 'tv' after 30 seconds(cant set no pw so i made it tvtvtv)

[12:50:58]

clever:

and when you login as tv it fires up mythfrontend

[12:50:58]

clever:

(and mythbackend fires on boot)

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clever:

tons of things not even my master backend has:P

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mzb_d800:

did you check my splash?

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clever:

not yet

[12:52:04]

clever:

on xp atm so gz files arent that simple to open

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mzb_d800:

7zip

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clever:

allready got enough stuff installed

[12:52:33]

clever:

winrar and winzip

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clever:

and my system is constantly 'software caused connection aborting' still

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mzb_d800:

clever: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . itemId=20308

[13:04:44]

mzb_d800:

I use that on all machines I install (for others to use) ... hides "other options" inc M$, or boot options that a "windoze user" doesn't need to know about

[13:05:00]

clever:

lol

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mzb_d800:

seeing "Hit ESC in 3 secs" does not a hiddenmenu make ;)

[13:05:48]

mzb_d800:

with my patch, that pic is *ALL* you see before booting

[13:06:05]

mzb_d800:

but the ESC functionality is still there

[13:06:25]

mzb_d800:

in your case (if desperate) you could do a "windows booting" splash

[13:06:35]

mzb_d800:

to cover up what is really happening

[13:06:53]

mzb_d800:

and then your Dad would never question the "cd booting" issue ;P

[13:07:08]

clever:

i could put the same image that xp puts up when booting

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mzb_d800:

that's what I mean

[13:07:17]

clever:

so it seems like the lcd just cut out for a sec when xp realy loads

[13:07:26]

mzb_d800:

yep

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clever:

the first thing he actualy noticed

[13:07:44]

clever:

his drive wasnt 80gig

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mzb_d800:

:)

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clever:

which no ammount of grub patching will fix

[13:08:03]

mzb_d800:

easier way to fix that

[13:08:04]

clever:

enless you netboot

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mzb_d800:

no

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clever:

and my other system is allready full

[13:08:27]

mzb_d800:

convince him that he needs to split his partition for data security

[13:08:32]

clever:

lol

[13:08:52]

clever:

i had shrunk his drive to 3–5gig

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mzb_d800:

create 1 ntfs and 1 fat32 (32GB max?) .. and leave a small amount left over for linux

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clever:

and made the rest a massive ext3 for temp data storage

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mzb_d800:

then claim the "lost area" as "wastage" ;)

[13:09:35]

clever:

then i emptyed a ext3 on my box to his

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mzb_d800:

heh ... that's a bit more than I'd suggest ;)

[13:09:40]

clever:

and converted it to LVM

[13:09:47]

clever:

and then expanded a lv and moved it back

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mzb_d800:

use the 2nd ext3 ^^ for myth data

[13:09:59]

clever:

then resized his drive 'back to normal'

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clever:

and hid ubuntu in the last 2–3gig

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** clever goes off to watch a dvd **

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mzb_d800:

if you got *funny* with colinux .. you could always have a full blown Debian mythbackend as a hidden file (on the fat32 "Data" partition)

[13:11:31]

mzb_d800:

hmm

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fryfrog:

mzb_d800: why not just use the windows boot loader itself?

[13:38:25]

mzb_d800:

because it's a pita to copy the kernel over after an update?

[13:38:58]

mzb_d800:

but either way ... my suggestion for clever is to use colinux ... not to conceal a linux install with a patched grub

[13:39:15]

fryfrog:

you don't need to do any thing ever

[13:39:25]

clever:

the winblows boot loader can run grub

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clever:

and grub then load the normal kernel

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fryfrog:

just "dd if=/dev/hdXY of=/path/to/linux.bin bs=512 count=1"

[13:40:14]

fryfrog:

copy linux.bin to windows partition, then make a boot.ini entry that points to linux.bin

[13:40:30]

fryfrog:

then, set the os selection prompt to *not* come up in windows

[13:40:34]

clever:

ive made a grub floppy before

[13:40:38]

fryfrog:

and so when booting, press F8 while booting

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fryfrog:

that'll get you the os boot choices

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clever:

manualy dd'ing stage1 and stage2 in

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fryfrog:

and windows will autoboot if you don't intervene

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fryfrog:

and there is *no* noticing it at all

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clever:

except the disk space by the linux partitions

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mzb_d800:

fryfrog: my mistake, I thought that method involved using a linux kernel (which I've done before)

[13:41:55]

fryfrog:

ah, nah

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fryfrog:

it is hard to find info on it anywhere

[13:42:08]

fryfrog:

but it is actually pretty easy when you get down to it

[13:42:19]

fryfrog:

in fact, i still use the same linux.bin that i used when i first started

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mzb_d800:

but, finally, not what I'd intended ... you are distracted by the pretty picture ;P

[13:42:37]

fryfrog:

it is kind of generic i guess, i got it originally from a gentoo system

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fryfrog:

and used it on ubuntu now, on more than one laptop too

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clever:

the location of stage2 is programed into the stage1(at fixed locations)

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clever:

and stage2 has the path to the config file

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

the key to doing that though is when you get to *where* to install the boot loader in the installer

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clever:

the config file then names kernels and initrd's

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fryfrog:

you don't put it on the master/main partition

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fryfrog:

ie, if linux is on "hda" in "hda2" you'd put it on hda2 instead of hda where most people would put grub

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clever:

you can also put grub in the partition boot sector(install to hdaX)

[13:44:32]

clever:

and then have boot.ini run that without copying it out

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fryfrog:

how would you do that?

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clever:

im not shure how but a boot.ini entry can make it fire off a partition boot sector i beleive

[13:45:13]

fryfrog:

ah, never ran accross that

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mzb_d800:

similar concept to a grub chainload

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clever:

probly meant to chainload older os's

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mzb_d800:

that's how XP|2K .... yes ... exactly

[13:46:06]

clever:

and i think normaly the MBR code just chainloads to the active partition

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mzb_d800:

ie. after an upgrade to another partition

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mzb_d800:

either way .. I'm not happy with M$ loading linux for me ;P

[13:47:50]

clever:

yeah:P

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mzb_d800:

colinux is the poor-mans method ;)

[13:48:00]

clever:

would be simple to have a grub floppy

[13:48:14]

clever:

then you cant load or detect linux at all without me inserting something:P

[13:48:21]

clever:

(other then its partitions)

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mzb_d800:

but using M$ to boot linux is desperation (hey, don't think I've not been there!;)

[13:48:49]

clever:

Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs – See also !automate

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clever:

read the tinyurl

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clever:

'Open boot.ini and add this line in the end.

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clever:

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clever:

'

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fryfrog:

I use it cause when I have windows and linux on one system, i almost always use windows. So I'd rather it just boot straight to windows naturally *and* look like it is only windows

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clever:

'Copy the file "grldr" to c:\'

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fryfrog:

what is after the a?

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fryfrog:

looks like a with a ^ on my irssi

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clever:

its a "

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clever:

but it didnt copy right

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clever:

open the link and ctrl+f for grub

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mzb_d800:

fryfrog: I'm the flipside of the coin .. if I have both I prefer M$ to be the "hidden option" (hence the patch)

[13:50:38]

fryfrog:

hehe

[13:50:44]

clever:

my media box was win98

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clever:

and i didnt want to format the 98 and its data

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clever:

but i needed a linux desktop in a rush for a long trip

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mzb_d800:

bbs

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fryfrog:

i've got as many windows boxes as i do linux :)

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clever:

so i shrunk the fat by 2gig and stuck ubuntu in at the end

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mzb_d800:

*sob*

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fryfrog:

1 server, 1 frontend linux and 2 windows workstations. laptop has both, so doesn't count for either (or rules itself out?)

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clever:

its a dualboot but i rarely touch the win98 half

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clever:

the only other dualboot is dads system

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clever:

rest are 1 os boxes

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fryfrog:

yeah, i'm generally not a big fan of dual boot :)

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fryfrog:

but...

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fryfrog:

when i build new workstations soon ish, i'm going to get hardware that is OSX86 compatible and play with OSX

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clever:

ive got a sparc system here

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clever:

sun ultra 10

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andrewju:

Hi All,

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fryfrog:

hi you

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clever:

hi 1,

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tcpsyn:

morning.

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tcpsyn:

clever, I want one.

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clever:

tcpsyn: i have a pair:P

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tcpsyn:

of ultra 10s?

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clever:

yes

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clever:

i managed to install ubuntu on 1

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clever:

but it was set to boot cd by default

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clever:

no idea how to boot the hdd:P

[13:55:04]

clever:

i reset it to defaults and now i cant even get the 'bios'

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tcpsyn:

they're going for $10.00 on ebay :)

[13:55:10]

clever:

(black screen on power up)

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tcpsyn:

uh. it's a sparc box man.

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tcpsyn:

no bios.

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tcpsyn:

how did you do the reset

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clever:

i ran set-defaults in the 'bios'

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tcpsyn:

uh.

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tcpsyn:

dude. no bios.

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tcpsyn:

that's the openboot prompt.

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

but its basicaly a bios

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clever:

software thats on a chip that loads at bootup

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tcpsyn:

Sure, except not at all, but ... ok.

[13:56:22]

clever:

and loads the selected/set os

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tcpsyn:

so.

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clever:

basicaly the same thing

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tcpsyn:

black screen?

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clever:

yeah

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tcpsyn:

no | in the corner of the screen?

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clever:

but i get a black screen even when the vga cable isnt connected

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tcpsyn:

got a null modem cable?

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clever:

(kvm doesnt let the monitor sleep when no signal is present)

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clever:

yes but port A is db25

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clever:

and i cant find the 25->9 converter

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tcpsyn:

usually, we don't bother with monitors on those things.

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tcpsyn:

Just db9

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tcpsyn:

and hyperterm.

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clever:

this had a bigger video board

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tcpsyn:

It's odd that you get nothing from the monitor. No flash or anything when you hit the power?

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clever:

dad claims the board has '1gigabit' of ram

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tcpsyn:

just nothing?

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tcpsyn:

heh

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tcpsyn:

It's probably got 256.

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clever:

i think it flashes for a moment but it just goes solid black afterwards

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tcpsyn:

its 440Mhz

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clever:

400mhz is what the bootprom says

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clever:

and a gig of ram on the motherboad

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tcpsyn:

Sounds like it's outputting the video to the serial port.

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** clever looks for the 25->9 **

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andrewju:

Does anybody use HDMI to transfer sound as well as video? How does it work for you?

[14:02:05]

tcpsyn:

I do from the ps3

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tcpsyn:

but not myth

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clever:

what baud?

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tcpsyn:

9600

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clever:

the 25->9 i found is female 25->male9

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mzb_d800:

pfft ... get a vax 4000/100 ;)

[14:03:59]

clever:

wait got that backwards:P

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clever:

not using the null modem atm

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clever:

it wont fix on the 'serial converter'

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fryfrog:

wtf, my server just spontaniously rebooted :/

[14:04:23]

clever:

i suspect the thing has null modem in it

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fryfrog:

and now my raid5 array and one of my raid1s are re-syncing :/

[14:04:40]

tcpsyn:

you're a confused individual.

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clever:

fryfrog: 2 of laptops have spontaniously shutdown without warning

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clever:

fryfrog: one was a stuck cpu fan(overheat and auto poweroff)

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fryfrog:

what i don't get is... i got to the screen in time to see it *cleanly* shutting down :/

[14:05:08]

clever:

other is dead(charging light wont even work)

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tcpsyn:

clever, you need a null modem cable, even if it's not the issue, if you're gonna play with sparc stuff, it's something you need to have. Radio Shack.

[14:05:40]

clever:

i have a null modem

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mzb_d800:

or make one

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clever:

female db9 on both ends

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clever:

fits perfectly to the serial port on 2 pc's

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tcpsyn:

fryfrog, if the kernel panics, sometimes if it can, it'll shut down the machine cleanly.

[14:06:21]

clever:

the converter for 25->9 is also female db9(db9 doesnt go lesbo:P)

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fryfrog:

yeah, but then why is my array re-syncing if it went down cleanly? :/

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tcpsyn:

fryfrog, I have no idea.

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fryfrog:

me either :)

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mzb_d800:

because it's smart?

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fryfrog:

well, rather it resync than lose all my data :)

[14:08:29]

fryfrog:

i think when i build new dekstops, i'll get a dual core cpu for cheap and put one of my old workstation motherboards in

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fryfrog:

4200+ X2 >> dual 2.4ghz xeons from like 2001 :p

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tcpsyn:

I need an array. I'm just playing with a bunch of cheap different sized drives.

[14:09:04]

tcpsyn:

it's only a matter of time.

[14:09:20]

tcpsyn:

I was looking at a terrastation

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tcpsyn:

but, I don't really feel like dropping $500 on storage.

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fryfrog:

$500 would get you like 5x 400G ish

[14:13:22]

tcpsyn:

right.

[14:13:29]

tcpsyn:

and then I'd need a case to hold them in

[14:13:31]

tcpsyn:

a motherboard

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fryfrog:

couple of $10 sata cards maybe :)

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mzb_d800:

and a spare piece of floor

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tcpsyn:

I just don't have any more room in my cases.

[14:14:15]

tcpsyn:

I got no pci

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tcpsyn:

I got no more drive bays

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fryfrog:

I've got this sweet ass case that has space for 8 bays in a very nice fashion

[14:14:29]

fryfrog:

and 2 more i've put into 5.25" bays

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tcpsyn:

I also just bought a house

[14:14:48]

tcpsyn:

can't spend the money

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tcpsyn:

:(

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fryfrog:

ah

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andrewju:

Can someone help me to configure digital sound on my Myth box? I just can't make my box send sound over HDMI... And I'm not sure I do it the right way, despite these lots of how-to's I just read...

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DustyBin:

tcpsyn: are you american

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DustyBin:

andrewju: im going to buy a HDMI television soon, ill let you know how i get on..

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tcpsyn:

dustybin, yes.

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BULLE:

andrewju: you do realise you need a graphicscard that supports sound over hdmi right ?

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BULLE:

andrewju: and in that case, its an nvidia or ati card, and afaik then you need to use their binary only drivers to get it to work, and then all you can do is read the binary only driver documentation

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BULLE:

tcpsyn: sell house, buy hds!

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BULLE:

simple solution

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DustyBin:

tcpsyn: i was going to say, UK prices are far too expensive to 'buy' ..

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tcpsyn:

heh.

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tcpsyn:

So are US prices

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tcpsyn:

But I did anyway

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DustyBin:

surely not as bad as here..

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tcpsyn:

Because they're only going up

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tcpsyn:

I paid 235,000.00

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tcpsyn:

dollars

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BULLE:

tcpsyn: for exactly what ?

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BULLE:

thats like 120.000 euro, and that aint much around here

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tcpsyn:

for a 2 bedroom 1 bathroom house on .6 acres.

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DustyBin:

jeeze thats good

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BULLE:

or, a bitt more, say 140.000

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BULLE:

indeed, thats hilariously cheap

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DustyBin:

in uk that would cost about £250,000

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tcpsyn:

in that case.

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tcpsyn:

I"ll sell you a house in America for 300,000.00 dollars.

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BULLE:

hehe

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DustyBin:

heh

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BULLE:

i want it in sweden though!

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BULLE:

and i bet most american houses arent that fun to have in sweden

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DustyBin:

what displays do you guys use with mythtv? what size and model?

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BULLE:

DustyBin: 32" crt tv

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

im using a 15" crt

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DustyBin:

going to buy a flatscreen soon

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DustyBin:

imagine you spent £1000 on a TV only to find out that every single modeline you tried didnt work, and you was left with jittery video

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tcpsyn:

32" westinghouse lcd

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DustyBin:

ok

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BULLE:

DustyBin: so, better research what input modes the screen supports, before buying it

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DustyBin:

are you happy with what mythtv displays on it

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DustyBin:

i will

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jedix:

does myth save title and other information about the recording in metadata?

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BULLE:

jedix: no, in the mysql database

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jedix:

damn.

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BULLE:

its not hard to pull it out of the mysql database though

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jedix:

trying to get encodings for my psp.. the nuvexport script is crap so I have mencoder doing the encoding, but I need to rename the file to something useful

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BULLE:

jedix: some time ago there were some perlscripts in contrib, that gave you a human readable directorystructure, of the recordings

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DustyBin:

"Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet getting the work done" – Linus Torvalds

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htpc-dvbs:

anyone here?

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jedix:

should be able to grab the name with the filename..

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htpc-dvbs:

i wanted to know in mythtv can i make it see more hdd space

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htpc-dvbs:

right now it only see 27 gigs

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htpc-dvbs:

i have 300 gigs

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jedix:

i think that means you only have 27gbs on the partition you're using for the data storage

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htpc-dvbs:

how do i set it up for 250 gigs partion

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jedix:

well..

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jedix:

when you installed linux you setup the partitions

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jedix:

so you'd have to do that different

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jedix:

what does `mount` say?

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andrewju:

BULLE, I have an ASUS EN8600GT/HTDI video that supports sound over HDMI. But I didn't know there is a driver configuration necessary as well. In fact I'm already using the latest driver from NVidia but I didn't see anything regarding HDMI there.

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ava-:

I wish some of my ghosts would die

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jedix:

actuall

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jedix:

try `df -h`

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htpc-dvbs:

#/dev/hda5 3648 34041 244139773+ 83 Linux

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jedix:

that's not -h

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htpc-dvbs:

#/dev/hda1 28G 7.8G 21G 28% /

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htpc-dvbs:

udev 10M 52K 10M 1% #/dev

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htpc-dvbs:

devshm 505M 4.0K 505M 1% #/dev/shm

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htpc-dvbs:

#/dev/hda5 233G 222M 233G 1% /home

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ava-:

-h is cheating :)

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htpc-dvbs:

so how do i get it so it is on hda5

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Outlier:

has anyone here had much experience with LinuxMCE ? I'm trying to decide whether to go mythtv + asterisk + (mister house or some such) vs. LinuxMCE.

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tcpsyn:

linuxmce looks cool, but I've never heard anyone say anything good about it

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Outlier:

That's about my impression too. I've played with it a bit – had it working mostly, but it didn't seem to bring much to the table beyond what myth already has.

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ava-:

what's the easiest way to convert .img to .iso?

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ava-:

does isobuster do that?

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jedix:

htpc-dvbs: change the location of where myth saves stuff to /home/<something>

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jedix:

that's in myth setup

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clever:

does mysql and mythtv have to be in the same timezone setting?

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Outlier:

ava – have you tried mounting the .img file, then creating a new .iso from it ?

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stuarta:

clever: dunno that anyone's tried it

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clever:

my myth progs are all forced to a zone thru a TZ wraper

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clever:

but dst has turned the system default back an hour

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clever:

so mythtv and mysql no longer match

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clever:

but mythtv was allready 2 hours off local so im wondering if i can just push the TZ wraper into local and leave mysql way off

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htpc-dvbs:

okay

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Hilikus:

my R/C keys are nto working when i play a video. the settings seem correct in lircrc. what could it be?

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Hilikus:

im using mplayer

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htpc-dvbs:

jedix under livetv?

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jedix:

umm

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jedix:

I don't know

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jedix:

where you set the directory it uses to store stuff

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jedix:

not livetv

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jedix:

but general iirc

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Hilikus:

do i need to enable lirc support in mplayer or something?

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Hilikus:

cause i noticed the option field in lircrc is not like for mythtv where it is a key, but here its a command

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htpc-dvbs:

jedix i change default to /home/mythtv

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htpc-dvbs:

and now 't workit don

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jedix:

does that directory exist?

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jedix:

what does it say?

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htpc-dvbs:

no such directory as home/mythtv

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htpc-dvbs:

but i made a dir in hda5

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htpc-dvbs:

called mythtv

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jedix:

/home/mythtv

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jedix:

?

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htpc-dvbs:

yes

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jedix:

what do you mean "made a dir in hda5"?

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htpc-dvbs:

hda5 is 233gig drive

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htpc-dvbs:

htpc-dvbs: change the location of where myth saves stuff to /home/<something>

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jedix:

run "mkdir /home/mythtv"

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Zathraz:

Hi. Internal player of mythtdvd plays DVDs but no menu and no sound. using Mythdvd-0.20–2 on Debian Etch with tv-out on PVR350. Sound is ok with mythtv and mythmusic (cable loopback from pvr350 to soundcard). Any thoughts please?

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htpc-dvbs:

now is that gona use 233 gig drive

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jedix:

htpc-dvbs: you need to make the directory in /home.. so run that command I said

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jedix:

you can see that the 233GB partition is mounted as /home

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jedix:

from df -h

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jedix:

11:10:21 < htpc-dvbs> #/dev/hda5 233G 222M 233G 1% /home

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jedix:

device size used_size free_size %used mount_point

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htpc-dvbs:

thanks

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htpc-dvbs:

it worked

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jedix:

cool.

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Zathraz:

how should I configure ogle to be used instead as this does not seem to work?

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Hilikus:

mplayer doesn recognize my remote control

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htpc-dvbs:

now i gota find out how to get mythmusic to work

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BULLE:

andrewju: i was more thinking of the ati cards to be honest, they have a separate audiochip on board, that shows up as an extra soundcard

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BULLE:

andrewju: the nvidia ones, require you to use some spdif passtrough cable or similar, right ?

[17:11:54]

Outlier:

Has there been any progress in myth in coordinating multiple audio zones? Using VLC or some such?

[17:12:51]

Hilikus:

whats the difference of setting the volume usinc PCM vs Master Volume

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Outlier:

Hilikus – My understanding is that your sound card does a D/A conversion. PCM adjusts what digital level corresponds to what analog level – the granularity of the conversion essentially. Master Volume adjusts the analog voltage sent out; no effect on granularity, but may have signal-noise issues.

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Hilikus:

i see

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ava:

wow blootube-wide is pretty awesome too

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ava:

I don't know which to use

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Hilikus:

is there a way to have individual volumes for mythtv and mplayer? when mythtv is in regular volume mplayer plays the videos extremely loud

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Aval0n:

I don't like using mplayer with myth

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Aval0n:

I use the internal

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Aval0n:

that's just me though :)

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Hilikus:

how do do that?

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Hilikus:

does it play avi?

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Aval0n:

well under your mythvideo settings you get rid of that big long string that says mplayer #sdf @34 234@4

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Aval0n:

whatever and put Internal

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Aval0n:

yeah it plays everything I've thrown at it thus far.

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Hilikus:

is it an internal player or its a player called internal?

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Aval0n:

I don't wanna use a window manager to fix the focus issue with mplayer

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Aval0n:

it's an internal player

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Hilikus:

cool, ill try taht

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Hilikus:

mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s

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Aval0n:

yeah, get rid of that and put 'Internal'

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Aval0n:

without the 's

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Hilikus:

Aval0n capital I?

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Aval0n:

yes

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Hilikus:

its not full screen

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Aval0n:

it is for me.

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Hilikus:

how do i expand it?

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Aval0n:

<shrug>

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Aval0n:

check your aspect ratio? or your gui/playback size settings?

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Aval0n:

this a new install?

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Hilikus:

no

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Hilikus:

tv plays well

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Hilikus:

i guess the video im playing is not full screen, but how do i tell te player to expand it

[17:24:33]

Aval0n:

zoom ?

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Aval0n:

hit m

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techjim:

anyone think the everex gOS at walmart would be an efficient/cheap mythtv backend? http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7754614

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dr_lulz:

wtf

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dr_lulz:

will hier gerade meine fernbedienung mal vernuenftig zum laufen bekommen

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dr_lulz:

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dr_lulz:

das komische an der sache ist

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dr_lulz:

das passiert immer noch, nachdem ich die lirc-module entladen habe und den lircd gekillt habe

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dr_lulz:

wtf?!

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stuarta:

english?

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dr_lulz:

oh, sry

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dr_lulz:

confused windows, i thought this was #mythtv-de

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stuarta:

:)

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dr_lulz:

so

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dr_lulz:

i'm trying to get my remote control working

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dr_lulz:

and i notice it types numbers into my shell when i press the buttons – so i unload lirc modules and kill the lircd

[17:46:11]

dr_lulz:

but it still works

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dr_lulz:

does anyone have any idea what the reason could be?

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iamlindoro_:

Depends on what your remote is

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iamlindoro_:

If it's the ATI, it's a HID device and will work somewhat without lirc

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dr_lulz:

its a universal remote control used with the ir receiver of a hauppauge card

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dr_lulz:

hrm

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dr_lulz:

i dont want that behaviour

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iamlindoro_:

I dunno then

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iamlindoro_:

There's clearly something else running because even with lirc running, it won't generally type anything into your terminal

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dr_lulz:

i thought it was some fucked up config

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dr_lulz:

lsof/fuser show no processes using /dev/lirc*

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dr_lulz:

any idea what kernel settings could be related?

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dr_lulz:

or does lirc fail at unloading sometimes?

[17:52:19]

dr_lulz:

hrm

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dr_lulz:

looks like it

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dr_lulz:

i'm getting some oopses

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dr_lulz:

this sucks

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tcpsyn:

thats kinda cool

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tcpsyn:

actually

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dr_lulz:

not if i just want it to "just work"

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tcpsyn:

it's linux man

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tcpsyn:

nothing "just works"

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dr_lulz:

sometimes, it does ;P

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dr_lulz:

hm

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dr_lulz:

it seems like the lirc_dev thread isnt ended properly

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dr_lulz:

maybe lirc_unregister_plugin aint called

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dr_lulz:

in the lirc_i2c driver(which i use) it is done in ir_detach, which is only diven to the i2c driver.. maybe that one doesnt call detach_client

[18:08:54]

** dr_lulz digs into i2c code **

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htpc-dvbs:

jedix u still around

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dr_lulz:

hrm. mailed the lirc mailing list now with the issue, i hope they react soon

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dr_lulz:

tcpsyn: tell me, why is it "kinda cool"? discovery of vulns or any other reason? ;)

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tcpsyn:

dr_lulz, because you could essentially use your remote as a wireless keyboard

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dr_lulz:

ah

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tcpsyn:

which, would be annoying.

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tcpsyn:

but kinda cool

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dr_lulz:

i thought you were talking about the oopsing

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tcpsyn:

no

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tcpsyn:

it'd be like text messaging your computer from the couch

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tcpsyn:

heh

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tcpsyn:

alright. so it wouldn't be cool.

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dr_lulz:

laptop > remote control ;P

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dr_lulz:

so, wanna help me fix the oopsing and then turn off that hid stuff? ;P

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

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mike_____:

hello

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mike_____:

i have a problem compiling mythtv

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xris:

mike_____: put the last couple of pages from your compile error into a pastebin

[19:20:14]

mike_____:

gcc is unable to create an executable file.

[19:20:14]

mike_____:

If gcc is a cross-compiler, use the --cross-compile option.

[19:20:14]

mike_____:

Only do this if you know what cross compiling means.

[19:20:14]

mike_____:

C compiler test failed.

[19:20:14]

mike_____:

If you think configure made a mistake, make sure you are using the latest

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mike_____:

version from SVN. If the latest version fails, report the problem to the

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mike_____:

mythtv-dev@mythtv.org mailing list or IRC #mythtv on irc.freenode.net

[19:20:19]

mike_____:

Include the log file "config.err" produced by configure as this will help

[19:20:21]

mike_____:

solving the problem.

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mike_____:

i have the config.err too

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xris:

mike_____: I said pastebin... pasting more than 2–3 lines in here will get you kicked (either by freenode itself, or by one of the mods)

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mike_____:

sorry

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mike_____:

how do i do that>?

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xris:

read the topic

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gbee:

pastebin.ca

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xris:

sounds like you're missing some libraries, though. If you're not familiar with compiling, why not try using some pre-built packages?

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mike_____:

where do i get them from?

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mike_____:

config.err : http://pastebin.ca/761282

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mike_____:

but anyway

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xris:

mike_____: what distro are you using?

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mike_____:

where can i get the pre-built packages

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mike_____:

linux mint

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xris:

says it's based on ubuntu, so you probably just have to add the appropriate ubuntu repo and apt-get install mythtv

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mike_____:

yeah ubuntu packages work on it

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xris:

though if you want to avoit trouble, apt-get install mysql first, make sure it's up and running, and then grab mythtv

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xris:

"avoid"

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mike_____:

ok thanks

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mike_____:

"cannot find mysql"

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mike_____:

oh never mind

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mike_____:

the mythtv package has it

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mike_____:

thanks anyway

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mike_____:

bye bye

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xris:

he'll be back when it installs mythtv before mysql...

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xris:

stupid ubuntu packages and random passwords

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iamlindoro_:

I noticed something about the gutsy packages the other day-- They *do* tell you to dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 and mythtv-common to set your own passwords... people just don't... whats the word... Read.

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xris:

ah

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iamlindoro_:

You even have to "ok" that message

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am_dragon:

please help. I have sound working for everything but MythMusic. I get no sound from mp3's.

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iamlindoro_:

am_dragon, how did you install myth?

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am_dragon:

mythbuntu.

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iamlindoro_:

dunno about mythbuntu, but Ubuntu proper lacks codecs out of the box for mp3

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am_dragon:

I added medibuntu repositories and they are installed.

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iamlindoro_:

you apt-got ubuntu-restricted-extras?

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iamlindoro_:

I do NOT mean w32codecs

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am_dragon:

I'm pretty sure it's a sound issue. I've added "pcm.!default spdif" to .asoundrc so everything goes through the spdif.

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iamlindoro_:

confirm you did the above and ubuntu-restricted-extras is installed

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am_dragon:

I keep reading that mp3's need to be encoded 48khz or something, but every time I try one of the "fixes" for that it kills my sound altogether.

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am_dragon:

yep 0 upgraded 0 newly installed...

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iamlindoro_:

It's profoundly unlikely that it's a sound issue if the only things that won't work are MP3 files

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am_dragon:

I'm currntly setup like this guide: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_ . . . C3_and_SPDIF

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iamlindoro_:

particularly if any other, non-ac3, non-dts file works

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am_dragon:

dvd's don't playback that well, sound is choppy but hd recordings, and xvid/mkv files with ac3 or dolby digital play fine.

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am_dragon:

dts works fine too.

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iamlindoro_:

fine, what about a regular movie with a stereo track?

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iamlindoro_:

also, as an experiment, go tick AC3 and DTS passthrough to the opposite settings and then go play a mp3 in mythmusic

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am_dragon:

ok 2 channel xvid (no ac3) works fine.

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iamlindoro_:

Then your problem is NOT sound

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iamlindoro_:

so you need to look elsewhere

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iamlindoro_:

or, at least, not your alsa setup

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iamlindoro_:

ergo need to look at codecs and myth settings

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iamlindoro_:

so go tick ac3 and dts passthrough to the opposite of whatever they are then try mythmusic

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am_dragon:

did that, changed passthrough devices to ALSA, and unticked the ac3 and dts options, nothing

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iamlindoro_:

Why did you change devices?

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iamlindoro_:

ie, you did that just now when I asked you to, or at some point in the past in your own troubleshooting?

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am_dragon:

I tried it both ways.

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am_dragon:

after it didn't work I figured i'd try it changing the passthough device.

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iamlindoro_:

ok, well anyway, your problem isn't alsa. HAve you played an mp3 in amarok to see if it works?

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am_dragon:

I dont' have amarok but I do have xmms, and that does not work.

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iamlindoro_:

ok, then I would look further at my codecs if I were you... if stereo works fine then it, by definition, must be a codec issue

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iamlindoro_:

go to a command line and see if mplayer will play your mp3

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am_dragon:

I've tried setting the output device in xmms to both the spdif and stereo out. I ahve both anlog out and the optical cable connected to the reciever so If I get sound either way it should work

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iamlindoro_:

Hey, dude, you gotta stay with me here... your problem is NOT your hardware or sound setup

[20:01:18]

iamlindoro_:

if you can get stereo out AT ALL, then it's not that

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iamlindoro_:

therefore, the problem is in the decoding and playback of those mp3s

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am_dragon:

it says it's playing but there is no sound.

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iamlindoro_:

so?

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iamlindoro_:

you know what, screw it

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iamlindoro_:

I feel like juski

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iamlindoro_:

I am not going to waste my time arguing with someone who is theoretically asking for help

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iamlindoro_:

good luck

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am_dragon:

I've been working on this for like 6 hours, I was trying to give you more info

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am_dragon:

I know it is not my hardware but I've changed so much stuff in alsa I wasn't sure that wasn't the problem

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am_dragon:

I wasn't arguing with you

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iamlindoro_:

ok, let's try this again

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iamlindoro_:

what processor do you have

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am_dragon:

mad athalon 64 4200+ x2

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am_dragon:

amd that is

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iamlindoro_:

and what build of ubuntu, ie i386 or c64

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iamlindoro_:

er x64

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am_dragon:

c64

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am_dragon:

x64

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am_dragon:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

ok, this is may be a tangent, but did you install w32codecs or w64codecs?

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am_dragon:

w64codecs

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iamlindoro_:

ok, good

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am_dragon:

I made sure

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iamlindoro_:

ok, hang on

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iamlindoro_:

ok, let's try this

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kdubya:

anyone know a way i can force a 60hz refresh rate over dvi

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kdubya:

i can only get 50–56

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am_dragon:

thanks, and just FYI when you asked me to play a file with mplayer the file appeared to play, mplayer gave no complints, but there was no sound.

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iamlindoro_:

sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-esd gstreamer0.10-alsa

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iamlindoro_:

see if it installs any of those

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am_dragon:

yes it did.

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iamlindoro_:

ok, hang on

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iamlindoro_:

do a:

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iamlindoro_:

apt-get install gnome-media totem-gstreamer gstreamer0.10-alsa gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-apps gstreamer0.10-tools gstreamer0.10-x libgstreamer0.10–0 libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10–0 python-gst0.10 gstreamer0.10-esd gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg serpentine amarok

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iamlindoro_:

and let's see if amarok will play mp3s for us

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am_dragon:

installing.

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am_dragon:

I really appreciate the help, sorry for the missunderstanding.

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iamlindoro_:

it's ok

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tcpsyn:

I hate my job

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tcpsyn:

which is ridiculous

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tcpsyn:

because I make 70+k and work 3 days a week

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iamlindoro_:

not that ridiculous, I hate my job too :)

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tcpsyn:

I'm a pretty lucky dude

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tcpsyn:

and I still hate it

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am_dragon:

ok then, it's installed.

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iamlindoro_:

ok, let's see what happens

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am_dragon:

just launch it from the panel and try to play a file?

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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iamlindoro_:

have one more thing to check after this and then I'm spent

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am_dragon:

no sound.

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iamlindoro_:

ok, let's check something out here Go System->Preferences-Sound

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am_dragon:

the file seems to be playing which I would think means the codec is working... but what do I knwo.

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iamlindoro_:

and in the Devices tab try each test and report

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iamlindoro_:

yes, it appears the codec is fine, but alsa also appears fine, so let's check this out

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iamlindoro_:

Also, tell me if Sound playback: shows anything besides "autodetect"

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am_dragon:

is system in amarok?

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iamlindoro_:

No, in gdm

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iamlindoro_:

the display manager

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iamlindoro_:

the top of your screen

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am_dragon:

yes, it's just xfce

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iamlindoro_:

ah, then I can't help you there

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iamlindoro_:

well, you're on your own from there. It's a pretty safe bet that both the codec and the alsa setup are fine, but possible that your display manager might be using another sound daemon or interfering with alsa

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am_dragon:

yeah the sound manger is pretty worth less.

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iamlindoro_:

you might even try killing the window manager entirely and using mplayer or mpg123 to play an mp3 and see if it works outside of the windows manager

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iamlindoro_:

that would help tell if it is interfering in any way

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, I gotta walk the dog, good luck

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am_dragon:

thanks for the help.

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jenetik:

is there a keyboard shortcut to switch to the previous chan in mythfrontend? (i.e., I'm on 182 and switch to 140 and want to switch back and forth between em)

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keith4_:

jenetik: H

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jblack:

Hi. Did anyone manage to record 20/20? I tried to record it, but had reception problems

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ryan_:

Greetings! Has anyone ever seen the "external change channel command" input box in mythtv-setup dissapear?

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ryan_:

http://the-summit.net/tmpgal/600xmyth-tv-setup-input.JPG

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gbee:

external channel change for a dvb card?

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GreyFoxx:

ryan_: I don't think that was an option if your input was a DVB card

[21:56:13]

ryan_:

That seems crazy. How do you change channels from a set top box (digital cable) then?

[21:56:29]

ryan_:

err, change channels ON a set top box.

[21:56:33]

GreyFoxx:

Your input would not be a DVB card if you are using a settop box

[21:56:36]

gbee:

you don't use a dvb card with a set-top box

[21:56:41]

GreyFoxx:

a dvb card tunes the digital signal directly

[21:57:03]

ryan_:

confusing

[21:57:29]

gbee:

DVB take a raw signal, from the dish/aerial/cable er cable

[21:57:31]

GreyFoxx:

A dvb card doesn't use an external "tuner" like a settop box

[21:57:50]

ryan_:

what should you use? whats a typical setup to capture the mpg stream for HDTV?

[21:58:13]

ryan_:

can I use the AirSTream HD-5000 ?

[21:58:54]

GreyFoxx:

ryan_: Most people record it either by the firewire outputs of their settop box, or using an OTA/ATSC dvb card to grab it over the air

[21:59:11]

GreyFoxx:

If you must use a settop box, AND it wont output firewire then you will not be able to record the raw mpeg

[21:59:17]

GreyFoxx:

only what the box outputs

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ryan_:

I'm confused (obviously). Where can I get info on recommended OTA/ATSC dvb cards ?

[22:01:31]

iamlindoro_:

ryan_, I have an hd-5000

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iamlindoro_:

If you are in the US, you can plug an antenna or unencrypted QAM cable into it to get HD

[22:01:49]

iamlindoro_:

straight in via coax

[22:01:55]

ryan_:

I'm committed to getting the digital-set-top box recording onto myth

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iamlindoro_:

If you want out from your set-top box, then get a PVR-150, and you will record in standard def only

[22:02:48]

iamlindoro_:

unless your cable company gives you a box with firewire, the firewire enabled, and they choose to output your HD channels on it...

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iamlindoro_:

Which, in general, they don't.

[22:02:58]

Ekman:

I've read the mailinglist, wiki and so on, but havn't really found any working drivers for DVB-S2 cards for mythtv.. Have i just missed them or are there just no working drivers yet?

[22:03:00]

GreyFoxx:

ryan_: Does your settop box have a firewire output ?

[22:03:04]

ryan_:

iamlindoro, yes, I know. that gives me about 20 channels. I'm trying to get ALL the channels from the cable box

[22:03:12]

Ekman:

sweden btw

[22:03:14]

iamlindoro_:

Then you can only get them in SD

[22:04:05]

iamlindoro_:

via Wall->Cable box-> PVR 150 or similar card

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ryan_:

So a PVR 150 will record HDTV?

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GreyFoxx:

No

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iamlindoro_:

SD

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GreyFoxx:

It will record the analog, SDTV output from the settop box

[22:05:46]

ryan_:

There is no firewire output on the cable box.

[22:05:53]

GreyFoxx:

Then you might be SOL

[22:05:56]

iamlindoro_:

Greyfoxx is right, though, if you have a cable provider who will give you a box with enabled firewire, you can get some of the channels that way

[22:06:30]

iamlindoro_:

Ryan, what I do is record my HD channels by splitting my cable into both a HD 5000 and a PVR 150... network tv in HD, extended cable in SD

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cyberpass:

how do you record from directtv or a rogers cable box?

[22:07:11]

GreyFoxx:

ryan_: Basically it comes down to this. IF your local HDTV channels are available freely over the air you can record that way, but if your only option is a digital settop box then your gonnaneed firewire out

[22:07:16]

cyberpass:

is that even possible?

[22:07:22]

GreyFoxx:

which is actually something you can make them give you in the use

[22:07:31]

iamlindoro_:

cyberpass, in SD, yes, very easily

[22:07:36]

cyberpass:

SD?

[22:07:39]

iamlindoro_:

cyberpass, in HD, no.

[22:07:43]

iamlindoro_:

SD = standard def

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ryan_:

But there is an "out to TV" BNC on the cable box that I was told outputs the unencrypted mpg stream of whatever the STB is tuned to.

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GreyFoxx:

ryan_: you were told wrong

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iamlindoro_:

har har har

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cyberpass:

how do i get SD from the cable box?

[22:08:13]

ryan_:

lame!

[22:08:19]

GreyFoxx:

It passed an unencrypted analog sdtv signal out that

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iamlindoro_:

cyberpass, by going into the cable box and out to the tuner card

[22:08:34]

cyberpass:

hehe...makes sense...

[22:08:40]

GreyFoxx:

cyberpass: If it has firewire out then you might be able to record that

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GreyFoxx:

My cableco makes all channels available unecrypted via firewire

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GreyFoxx:

so I can record everyone including hdtv

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ryan_:

How does the TIVO work? fire-wire?

[22:09:22]

GreyFoxx:

most are not so enlightened

[22:09:30]

iamlindoro_:

ryan, the old tivos will only record SD, some of the very VERY newest ones use cablecard

[22:09:32]

GreyFoxx:

ryan_: A lot of them record the analog sd outputs

[22:09:42]

GreyFoxx:

the new ones use cablecard

[22:09:46]

cyberpass:

ooh that blows...

[22:09:47]

iamlindoro_:

which is like a "set-top box in a slot"

[22:09:52]

ryan_:

My Girlfriends tive records HDTV quite nicely.

[22:09:55]

cyberpass:

so tivo is only 480?

[22:10:05]

iamlindoro_:

hahaa, I'm just gonna let greyfoxx talk, it's getting echoy in here ;)

[22:10:44]

GreyFoxx:

ryan_: then her Tivo is either using firewire frmo a STV, or has cablecard (if it's a cable company) or is built in to the stb from her cableco

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ryan_:

hmmm. I thought I did all due-diligence — the documentation for Myth is really fragmented, out of date and difficult to tell what's going on.

[22:12:12]

ryan_:

I thought I knew what I was doing.

[22:12:17]

GreyFoxx:

ryan_: that's partly because that's the nature of the beast

[22:12:28]

GreyFoxx:

Cablecos are all different in what they provide and allow

[22:12:47]

GreyFoxx:

My cableco is great, lots iof unencrypted QAM channels I can record, totally unencrypted firewire etc

[22:12:51]

xris:

ryan_: which documentation? the official documentation is usually pretty well up to date

[22:12:54]

GreyFoxx:

many try to stop you from doing anything

[22:13:04]

GreyFoxx:

No one answer applies to everyone

[22:13:09]

iamlindoro_:

ryan, just split the cable and get the HDTV over QAM and the SD through the STB, it's not that bit a deal.... and the wiki works perfectly fine and accurately

[22:13:40]

iamlindoro_:

So you lose discovery HD... if you need it that bad, then switch over to the component output of the STB when you want to watch it

[22:14:06]

iamlindoro_:

but you'll have network TV in HD, and all your extended stuff in SD, which is only broadcast in SD anyway

[22:14:24]

GreyFoxx:

Man this sucks. Almost time to go home

[22:14:29]

ryan_:

discovery HD --> what motivated all this in the first place.

[22:14:41]

GreyFoxx:

That dam storm last night knocked out power

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GreyFoxx:

ryan_: Hehe

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GreyFoxx:

I love Discovery and National Geographic in HD

[22:15:40]

cyberpass:

lemme get this straight....mythtv can only record in SD...can i use my cable box to output in HD straight to the TV, and when needed i can use mythtv to record using the SD output? or do most cable boxes not allow having to outputs connected?

[22:16:09]

GreyFoxx:

cyberpass: Just to be clear, it is NOT a myth limitation.l It is a limitation in what your provider is allowing

[22:16:17]

cyberpass:

yea...i know

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GreyFoxx:

cyberpass: You could do what you describe

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GreyFoxx:

just be careful not to stomp on a recording in progress

[22:17:04]

GreyFoxx:

If you change channels while it's reecording you will change what is getting recorded too :)

[22:17:27]

cyberpass:

<GreyFoxx> excellent...can you recommend a cable box from rogers?

[22:17:41]

cyberpass:

<GreyFoxx> or should i be safe with any they give me?

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GreyFoxx:

cyberpass: If they will provide you one with Firewire then you might be able to record some channels that way which is your best bet, after that anything with analog outputs can be plugged into a pvr card

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** GreyFoxx heads out **

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ryan_:

On phone with comcast------

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ryan_:

They don't have a STB woth fire-wire out, but they do offer a "cable-card". I'm trying to get info on make/model, etc.

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ryan_:

does anybody know if these "cable-cards" will work with myth?

[22:27:46]

jedix:

google?

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leprechau:

ryan_, cable cards are different

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leprechau:

they are not pci cards

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leprechau:

they are for certain TVs that have a cable card slot so you don't need an external tuner for your digital cable

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ryan_:

okay, yeah, he said "they work in TIVOs"

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cyberpass:

actually ATI released something for PCs

[22:32:18]

cyberpass:

check out AIT OCUR

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cyberpass:

ATI OCUR*

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Hilikus:

hey ive been having a problem sporadically where the frontend plays the video, freezes for half a second, plays it again, freezes, etc etc, and the RC doesnt work, has anyone seen this problem?

[22:32:35]

cyberpass:

but not sure if they have LINUX support yet

[22:32:43]

ryan_:

But then he got back to me and said they DO have motorolla DCT5100 s with fire-wire out and they are supposed to work!

[22:32:52]

Hilikus:

i have to kill the frontend

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ryan_:

I should be able to exchange it at the comcast store.

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ryan_:

I think I'm going to go that route.

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cyberpass:

we can now actually create a HD PVR on windows with the ATI card...

[22:33:37]

cyberpass:

mythtv has nothing on windows now

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cyberpass:

lol

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_mre|666:

windows is crap

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baxter_kylie:

Hi hi. Anyone know of a way to test for (and get useable output) wherether or not a disc in a drive is a DVD? Trying to get around the lack of a cd player and create a wrapper for the 'play dvd' function.

[22:34:26]

cesman:

windows is an OS, MythTV is an application

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_mre|666:

i've ran it, still support it, for years

[22:34:32]

cesman:

you cannot compare the two

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Hilikus:

has anyone experienced htis problem?

[22:34:35]

_mre|666:

exactly

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_mre|666:

i think what he ment is how windows handles DVR type apps

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cyberpass:

windows media center

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cyberpass:

fine...

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_mre|666:

and he's very wrong

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jedix:

how can I get the show title -> filename mappings?

[22:35:16]

cyberpass:

<_mre|666> how am i wrong?

[22:35:31]

_mre|666:

cyberpass: first of all, windows is bloated to hell, especially if you use vista

[22:35:38]

baxter_kylie:

jedix: Explain. What do you need?

[22:35:38]

_mre|666:

it records to mpeg like crap

[22:35:43]

_mre|666:

the software is buggy

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cesman:

jedix: mythrename.pl

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_mre|666:

ATI drivers have sucked for ages

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cesman:

it is in the contribs dir of the source

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jedix:

that's it!

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jedix:

thanks

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_mre|666:

should i continue?

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cesman:

yo're welcome

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cyberpass:

can you record HD on mythtv?

[22:36:06]

cesman:

cyberpass: yes

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_mre|666:

Windows is for doubleclickers

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cyberpass:

<cesman> really??

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cyberpass:

<cesman> tell me how...please

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cesman:

thursday, I record 3 HD shows at once while watching another

[22:36:27]

_mre|666:

it's for ppl that are scared of linux

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iamlindoro_:

cyberpass, nobody ever said you couldn't

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Aval0n:

did those new revolutionary ati drivers ever come out?

[22:36:40]

cyberpass:

well... i got cable and i cant

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_mre|666:

IN BILL WE TRUST

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cesman:

cyberpass: all you need is a HD tuner that works w/ Linux

[22:36:54]

cesman:

and there are plenty

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cyberpass:

<Aval0n> im wondering...i want them to come out for linux...

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_mre|666:

i ran dvr under windoze

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_mre|666:

with an ATI AIW card

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_mre|666:

and it was TERRIBLE

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mzb_d800:

any mytharchive users|fans awake?

[22:37:22]

cesman:

cyberpass: cable doesn't equal HD

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_mre|666:

choppy as hell

[22:37:32]

_mre|666:

audio and video kept coming unsynched

[22:37:53]

_mre|666:

everything else was quality on that system

[22:37:56]

_mre|666:

plenty of memory

[22:38:23]

_mre|666:

i have 2 tuners in my mythbox, i'm recording simpsons, while recording this nascar race

[22:38:29]

_mre|666:

both will record perfect

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** cesman gets his HD OTA **

[22:39:01]

baxter_kylie:

Digital TV doesn't have the bandwidth for anything about 720, really

[22:39:07]

xand:

can I stop mythfrontend from adjusting my volume?

[22:39:22]

_mre|666:

xand: use the [ ] keys to adjust it

[22:39:23]

xand:

when I watch programs with adverts in, it turns it down every break >.<

[22:39:28]

_mre|666:

just raise it all the way up

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_mre|666:

aww

[22:39:34]

xand:

but it changes it back

[22:39:37]

_mre|666:

that's different

[22:39:41]

_mre|666:

wierd

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_mre|666:

i just changed mine once, and it's stuck

[22:39:54]

mzb_d800:

I've been looking at the dvd-burning in mytharchive and was intrigued by the menu system. I haven't tested it yet, but it seems to me it could do with more functionality (playback settings menu, randomness, etc). It just so happens that I might be able to help out, with experience from my old project: http://dvd-baker.sourceforge.net/

[22:39:58]

mzb_d800:

anyone interested?

[22:40:00]

_mre|666:

but i have no IR support

[22:40:11]

_mre|666:

but that's ok, i'm just going to buy a bluetooth mouse/keyboard

[22:40:15]

xand:

I wouldn't use mythfrontend to watch stuff but this file won't work in mplayer

[22:40:47]

_mre|666:

xand: how do you run mythfrontend?

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xand:

by typing that command

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cesman:

mzb_d800: if you are able to help improve MythArchive that would be great!

[22:41:05]

_mre|666:

for some reason mine refuses to recognize the backend without running it as root

[22:41:16]

cesman:

mzb_d800: is anyone interested isn't the question to ask...

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mzb_d800:

cesman: ok :)

[22:41:41]

cesman:

mzb_d800: just start doing it and submit your patches on svn.mythtv.org by creating a ticket

[22:41:47]

_mre|666:

i don't liek running services as root, but oh well

[22:41:54]

_mre|666:

works

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mzb_d800:

just wanted to know if anyone would be interested in features like that ... eg. for a "party" DVD full of video clips that plays randomly

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_mre|666:

mzd: i'm always interested in better packages

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mzb_d800:

http://dvd-baker.sourceforge.net/examples/example3/

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mzb_d800:

^^ I used autoplay & random in that example

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mzb_d800:

the dvd-author.xml tends to be horribly complicated as a result, but it works ... and works on every player I can find (inc. PS/2)

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black_Nightmare_:

hey there

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black_Nightmare_:

had to ask by a long shot anyhow but any of you here used the 3dfx voodoo 3500TV card?

[22:53:07]

Aval0n:

is there a way to select mutliple recordings to delete in mythtv?

[22:53:13]

Aval0n:

or do I have to do it one at a time?

[22:53:27]

Aval0n:

I had simpsons set to record every ep and I forgot about it

[22:53:32]

Aval0n:

now I have lik 100+ simpsons eps

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Aval0n:

lol

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Daviey:

Hey, any recommendations on a hybrid dvb-t/analog card?

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directhex:

why would you want one? analog is dead

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Aval0n:

analog is far from dead

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Daviey:

directhex: meh, a friend is in an analog only area atm

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directhex:

he's screwed in a few years then

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Aval0n:

just cause OTA analog is going away doesn't mean anything for analog cable providers

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black_Nightmare_:

this is why I rather like canada heh directhex ^_^ (no plans unlike what usa already has now)

[22:56:28]

directhex:

my word, a US-centric view in #mythtv-users. how astonishing

[22:56:41]

black_Nightmare_:

satellite tv is just too expensive to be worth it for the light watchers yet anyhow

[22:57:10]

Aval0n:

if US-centric means realistic I guess.

[22:57:35]

Aval0n:

I don't really know how locations got brought into it :)

[22:58:37]

black_Nightmare_:

hm either way what agp/pci cards any of you in here use?

[22:58:59]

mzb_d800:

nv

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Aval0n:

I guess that statement of "analog is dead" could be taken as a European centric view. :)

[22:59:31]

Aval0n:

black_Nightmare_: I use a pvr500 and 2 kworld 115's

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directhex:

i use a nova-t and a tt buget t-1500

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Aval0n:

for graphics I use an nv 7300gs because I wanted hdmi

[23:00:50]

black_Nightmare_:

hm what do you think of your kworld 115's?

[23:00:52]

mzb_d800:

kworld USB2.0 DVB-T (got a DVB2GO UB300 on the way)

[23:02:16]

mzb_d800:

(au$20 and au$23 resp;P)

[23:02:59]

mzb_d800:

hmm ... have gone over my $50 budget ;(

[23:03:22]

black_Nightmare_:

hm sorry nevermind about the kworld...checked again and didn't realize that was one of the MCE-only cards

[23:03:43]

mzb_d800:

(bought a low profile mx420 for $15)

[23:03:52]

black_Nightmare_:

mzb..heh thats nice

[23:04:05]

iamlindoro_:

ah, nice, new SVN fixed all my prebuffering pauses

[23:04:07]

black_Nightmare_:

<is still trying to figure an agp upgrade for my pc...meh

[23:04:24]

mzb_d800:

fx5200 is probably a good bet

[23:04:41]

black_Nightmare_:

mzb...heh well there's two little issues here...

[23:05:34]

black_Nightmare_:

1. agp 2x only 2. well its a bit of small space to work with so the card need to be able to keep cool on its own

[23:05:46]

mzb_d800:

(anything >=gf4 will do;)

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mzb_d800:

I have an mx440–8x in a 2x slot

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black_Nightmare_:

at least $ isn't too much of the issue since I got an unwanted radeon card to make trade if the other person'll take it

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black_Nightmare_:

umm 8x and 2x are not even the same.. 8x is like at least 1.5V or 0.8V and 2x is only 3.3V

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mzb_d800:

it's not just voltage, it's speed as well

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mzb_d800:

you forget that there are a number of issues involved: one of which is the number of slots on the "plug-in" edge of the card ... which determines (for eg) a "multivoltage" card

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mzb_d800:

so an 8x "multi-voltage" card *will* work in a 2x slot

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mzb_d800:

s/will/can/

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mzb_d800:

loungetv:~# lspci | egrep "Host|VGA"

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mzb_d800:

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX – 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03)

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mzb_d800:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev a2)

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Daviey:

Annnnnyway... recommendations for Hybrid DVB-T and analog with onboard MPEG encoding....

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black_Nightmare_:

well I know that many of the older radeons were 2x/4x (which is what I have in dust here heh) but any time I look at 8x cards even the new 4MX they only say 0.8v/8x alone even although the old first generation ones were only 2x which well yeah just seem odd

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mzb_d800:

loungetv:~# grep "AGP rate" /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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mzb_d800:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Detected AGP rate: 2X

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Aval0n:

hey guys, anyone in here using a harmony 520 in here?

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm...in that case that MX440 you got, who made it? (every single one I've found even online had almost always only stated 0.8v alone or is it just me?)

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mzb_d800:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGP#Compatibility

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mzb_d800:

it's just you ;)

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mzb_d800:

the one I'm currently using is an MSI board (iirc)

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mzb_d800:

I was using a gf2 mx400 prior to that ... but you can't get xvmc on those, hence my >=gf4 recommendation

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mzb_d800:

(which means mx420 | mx 440 and above)

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mzb_d800:

ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_NV . . . essing_Units

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm will look at the list ty...need to afk for pizza supper now tho..be back later :p

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DapOrp:

what am I missing with this kind of make error: undefined reference to `mysql_num_rows' ?

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iamlindoro_:

I would guess sql dev libraries

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black_Nightmare_:

back

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iamlindoro_:

dap_orp, what are you building and on what distro?

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DapOrp:

i'm trying to build mythtv on debian.

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iamlindoro_:

then it would probably behoove you to apt-get build-dep mythtv

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DapOrp:

is that gonna get all the rest of the crap I need to make this work? :)

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DapOrp:

i've been going one by one as they come up so far.

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iamlindoro_:

yes, build-dep is your friend

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DapOrp:

it's taken me like 4 hours to get to this point.

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iamlindoro_:

you could have been there in four minutes :)

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DapOrp:

geeze.

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DapOrp:

thanks.

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DapOrp:

err. i still crash out with the same error. :(

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black_Nightmare_:

mzb_d800 you still there?

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DapOrp:

let's try mythplugins...

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iamlindoro_:

dunno how straight debian calls all your packages, you may have a mythtv-frontend and mythtv-backend that you need to build-dep

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iamlindoro_:

In ubuntu it is as I originally said

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mzb_d800:

yep

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mzb_d800:

just pulling a few machines apart

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mzb_d800:

black_Nightmare_: sup?

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black_Nightmare_:

not to sound dumb but what is xvmc again?

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jedix:

XvMC

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jedix:

x video

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jedix:

motion compensation

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iamlindoro_:

Hardware accelerated MP-2 playback

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black_Nightmare_:

because I was just checking one of the used webstore I knew of and they still have an asus V7100 2MX agp for sale

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black_Nightmare_:

ah..duh

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black_Nightmare_:

I see now, thanks

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mzb_d800:

on a slow machine (eg I have 650@804 and an 866), xvmc makes 10–20% diff on CPU usage ... so it's worth it

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black_Nightmare_:

yeah I just didn't realize about this xvmc thing at all before

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black_Nightmare_:

now I see how I'm going to have to be more careful with cards selection

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iamlindoro_:

card selection is easy... anything nVidia :)

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black_Nightmare_:

mzb_d800 I checked and hm something like this as a starter? http://www.compuvest.com/Description.jsp?iid=412165

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black_Nightmare_:

iamlindoro...haha...do you want the radeon card I don't want to have to use at all anymore? :P

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iamlindoro_:

yeccch, what would I do with a...shudder... ati card?

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** iamlindoro_ takes repeated showers to get the ati stink off of him. **

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iamlindoro_:

can't...get...clean...

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** black_Nightmare_ chuckles **

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black_Nightmare_:

to tell you the truth

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black_Nightmare_:

I'm not 100% disliking of ati

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mzb_d800:

can't tell from the pic how many keys it has

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jedix:

you'll grow to.

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mzb_d800:

but my guess would be that it would work in 2x

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black_Nightmare_:

the rage pro's were nice for early systems (neverminding it was frequently used for early pci macs too) but yeah the radeons I just don't have much like at all for

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jedix:

we can teach you the ways of hate for ati

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black_Nightmare_:

mzb..hmm yeah I didn't noticed that at first...

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black_Nightmare_:

in that case this one then (still in my buy-only $ range I'll like) http://www.compuvest.com/Description.jsp?iid= . . . 04&sid=0

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black_Nightmare_:

two keys so sure that should be ok with agp 2x?

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black_Nightmare_:

one odd thing about ati rage's for sure is...

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black_Nightmare_:

ati didn't seem to have a good idea of where hardware decoders should actually go

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black_Nightmare_:

eg the rage pro agp only has vga but it has the decoder .. the rage pro pci has vga,svideo,comp but no decoder chip

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black_Nightmare_:

like you'll thought that with tv-out it would HAVE the decoder

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black_Nightmare_:

blah..who cares now tho... :P

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mzb_d800:

you're using TV or LCD?

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black_Nightmare_:

mix of between monitor and/or tv

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mzb_d800:

so you *need* tv out, right? Got s-video, or composite only?

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ByteChanger:

Hello everyone.

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ByteChanger:

I was hoping someone could help me out with a Diseqc switch problem... I've setup multiple inputs, but it keeps scanning port 1 or the switch ... Please help me... hehe

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black_Nightmare_:

hm either could be fine since I was planning on grabbing one of these svideo>composite adapter cable when I could find one (especially for my laptop which is svideo but that sometimes hits a snag when I'm wanting to share photos or so at some place where its only an older tv with composite alone)

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black_Nightmare_:

so.. svideo or composite on the video card..I don't care since I'll have a cable to adapt svideo down

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mzb_d800:

adaptor might not give you quality that normal composite will give

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mzb_d800:

remember that the 420 is as low as you go ;)

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black_Nightmare_:

sure I'll keep that in mind as I look around for a final card ;)

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black_Nightmare_:

btw did I mentioned about limited space for the card?

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** black_Nightmare_ is just checking **

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mzb_d800:

bedtv:~# lspci | egrep "Host|VGA"

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mzb_d800:

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82815 815 Chipset Host Bridge and Memory Controller Hub (rev 04)

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mzb_d800:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 420] (rev a3)

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mzb_d800:

that's in a Dell GX150 SFF

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mzb_d800:

bedtv:~# grep "AGP rate" /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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mzb_d800:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Detected AGP rate: 4X

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mzb_d800:

tried fanless but heatsink not big enough (etc) ... so has fan

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mzb_d800:

both machines mounted under floor (quieter)

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black_Nightmare_:

either way..its just an agp/pci/pci-isa/isa board and I sure need all three expansion slots as it is right now so naturally the card itself isn't given much space which in that case it'll be fine as long as it can run on its own air circulation or well you know what I mean

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mzb_d800:

and GX150 has a 5port full height USB2 card (cut in half with hacksaw to give a 2port low-profile card;)

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mzb_d800:

ensure you get a card with a fan then ... sounds cramped and could easily get too hot

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black_Nightmare_:

heh well the short time I used it the radeon card had no issue (and it was thin heatsink&fan combo on the gpu itself) at all...but of course something that wants to produce 30+W even on the desktop sure is going to be in big trouble :))

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mzb_d800:

bedtv (gx150) uses svideo out, whereas loungetv uses composite (yes, a complete waste of a mx440–8x ... just what I had)

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