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Monday, October 29th, 2007, 00:06 UTC
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[00:06:57] directhex: EnterUserName, upgrade
[00:08:01] darkwizard: i am lost with myth tv
[00:09:16] jarle_: darkwizard: lost?
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[00:11:45] darkwizard: yeah on install
[00:11:54] darkwizard: how to patch it
[00:11:59] darkwizard: and compile
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[00:18:42] directhex: using which distro?
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[00:42:54] Wickedboy: Hello everyone
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[00:44:13] Wickedboy: I have a question, it might be really easy to answer.. I set up my mythtv server yesterday, and I'm able to watch videos (mythvideo) on the frontend which is installed on the same box. But when I try to use a frontend on another machine, he tells me that he can't find the file I'm trying to watch
[00:47:11] Wickedboy: any ideas why ?
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[00:52:57] bsdfox_: Wickedboy: I think mythvideo setup relates to the location on the frontend
[00:53:10] bsdfox_: so you probably have to mount the media on the frontend?
[00:53:19] bsdfox_: not positive though, but I had some issues like that too
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[00:56:22] Wickedboy: hm
[00:56:43] Wickedboy: But isnt the point of all the frontend/backend thing that I can have my media centralized ?
[00:56:56] Wickedboy: oh wait .. you mean mounting it
[00:56:58] Wickedboy: hm
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[00:57:40] Wickedboy: But why would I need the backend then?
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[01:06:32] siXy: Wickedboy: the backend keeps a central storage of data for tv recordings, and sends this to the frontend automagically. this is not true of videos, pictures and music which must be manually mounted to be directly accessible on each frontend you wish to have access to them.
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[01:08:14] tremb1: mythbackend seems to be dying when i finish watching tv, and the process is going zombie/defunct. the zombie process doesn't disappear and i seem to have to manually power down to get rid of it — shutdown stalls in this case. what's going on?
[01:08:18] tremb1 is now known as tremby
[01:09:38] Wickedboy: I see
[01:09:41] tremby: i've just noticed that i have lots of other zombie processes too, so i guess this may not be a mythtv issue
[01:09:49] Wickedboy: So the backend doesnt decode the videos for me ?
[01:11:05] siXy: nope. the backend doesnt decode anything, not even tv. the FE does the decoding.
[01:11:13] Wickedboy: damn
[01:11:18] siXy: tremby: powercycle the box
[01:11:33] tremby: siXy: i did once, and had the same problem
[01:11:39] Wickedboy: So the tv data gets saved as a raw file ?
[01:11:45] siXy: Wickedboy: NFS is a simple and quick way to do it
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[01:12:28] siXy: Wickedboy: nope it gets saved as mpeg4 iirc
[01:12:40] siXy: although like most things it is configurable
[01:13:15] Wickedboy: I'm planning to put a few thin clients into my new apartment – one in the kitchen, one into the bathroom and so on
[01:13:16] siXy: tremby: have you worked out what processes are zombifying?
[01:13:30] Wickedboy: I hoped I could use weak boxes for the frontends, and let the backend do the work
[01:13:35] siXy: Wickedboy: do you have HDTV?
[01:13:50] Wickedboy: not yet, no
[01:13:50] tremby: siXy: mythbackend, sshd and rtorrent so far
[01:14:14] tekny_: hey, is it possible to switch between 2 recordings easily?
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[01:14:18] siXy: tremby: if sshd is zombifying somehting is majorly wrong with your box
[01:14:44] tremby: siXy: not the main sshd process, mind
[01:14:52] tremby: siXy: just suddenly started happening today
[01:15:07] siXy: Wickedboy: SDTV (ie PAL or NTSC) requires not much in the way of hardware to decode and display it. DVDs require a tiny bit more, and HDTV requires lots
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[01:16:31] Wickedboy: primarily I wanted to use it for videos and music
[01:16:38] siXy: tremby: that sounds like somehting that requires more invesigation. is there any obvious cause?
[01:16:39] Wickedboy: Not so much TV – even tho I wanted to add that too
[01:17:05] tremby: siXy: no, only thing i did today is plug in my usb dvb box and set up mythbackend
[01:17:42] siXy: and what did you mean by sshd but not the main sshd. do you mean ssh sessions that have zombified?
[01:18:34] siXy: Wickedboy: music is easy obviously. videos... well it depends a bit on the resolution, but DVD quality videos dont require that much decoding. having said that, a 486 isnt gonna cut it
[01:18:58] EnterUserName: hey all
[01:19:10] EnterUserName: does anyone use PSP 3.02 firmware or higher using FFMPEG with mythtv
[01:19:14] tremby: siXy: well there's /usr/sbin/sshd and then are lots of child processes, some of which are zombie
[01:19:16] siXy: tremby: if its just ssh sessions, can you remember what you were running in those ssh sessions?
[01:19:17] EnterUserName: i cant get nuvexport to work with my firmware on psp
[01:19:29] Wickedboy: You know, I wanted to do it using cheap 100$ thin clients
[01:19:31] EnterUserName: it says unsupported format
[01:19:36] Wickedboy: Which might not have more than 400 mhz or something
[01:19:43] EnterUserName: anyone
[01:19:56] tremby: siXy: i don't think that's an issue — if i start a new ssh session and exit, that process goes zombie too!
[01:20:07] siXy: oohhh... not good
[01:20:14] ** EnterUserName sighs. Anyone here have a PSP with mythtv? **
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[01:20:45] siXy: EnterUserName: sighing after less than 1 minute? you must be the patient type
[01:21:03] EnterUserName: Sorry sixy.. just in a rush at the moment sorry :) Ill wait :
[01:21:04] EnterUserName: :)
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[01:21:39] siXy: Wickedboy: I've not tried running a FE on really low end hardwre – maybe someone else can help you. might be worth a forum post, as more people read that
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[01:22:52] siXy: EnterUserName: :) I've never owned a PSP so i have no idea what the format requirements are i'm afraid. but you could trty transcoding to basic mpeg 2 and see if that works
[01:23:25] EnterUserName: Well what has happned is frmo 2.5 to 2.71 firmware they'v changed formats.
[01:23:55] siXy: tremby: whats in your ~/.bashrc ~/.bash_profile and other such files? anything unusual?
[01:24:08] EnterUserName: I've tried nuvexport to no avail(it has a psp option)however it still dosnt work im guessing its because its using an older psp format
[01:24:39] tekny_: so here is what i'm trying to do.. i'm watching the tv with my wife but from time to time, she's busy doing something else, not watching the tv for a few minutes.. is there some kind of a shortcut to swap between 2 recordings?
[01:25:05] tremby: siXy: no, i don't think so
[01:26:59] siXy: tekny_: no i don't think so i'm afraid.
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[01:27:25] siXy: be a tougher remote negotiater :P
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[01:28:37] tekny_: so right now we have playlists right so the patch could be something like having them in a playlist and a shorcut could easily change shows
[01:28:39] siXy: tremby: have you updated your OS lately?
[01:28:54] tremby: errm i think i did an update today
[01:28:56] siXy: tekny_: if you wanted to code it yeah :)
[01:29:03] siXy: tremby: ahha!
[01:29:16] ** siXy suspects a dodgy update **
[01:29:18] tremby: siXy: i think it was happening before and after, though
[01:29:30] siXy: oh.. what distro are you running?
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[01:31:22] tremby: debian
[01:31:37] tremby: frontend is on an ubuntu machine, though, and the one i'm on now is fedora. i shouldn't think they matter though
[01:34:35] Wickedboy: yeah thank you siXy, I'll give it a try tomorrow
[01:36:44] tekny_: ahhhh
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[01:36:55] tekny_: while watching... menu --> jump to recording
[01:37:01] tekny_: this software is incredible!
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[01:38:01] tekny_: would be nice to have the recordings in the current playlist somewhere, still looking
[01:38:06] Der_Thomas: having a problem with myth fast forwarding through recordings:
[01:38:30] Der_Thomas: If I start watching a new recording I'm good, it starts form the begining
[01:39:06] Der_Thomas: if I hit skip (10 secs I think) it jumps to a much further part of the program but thinks that it just skipped the 10 secs
[01:39:32] Der_Thomas: there is no way to skip back because it thinks that it is at the begining of the reocrding when it isn't
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[01:39:41] tekny_: ah.. working.. wonderful
[01:40:00] Der_Thomas: I have to stop and go back to the main menu to get back to the begining
[01:40:26] Der_Thomas: but this makes it not possible to skip to something in the middle of the begining and the new point where it goes to
[01:40:33] Der_Thomas: Anyone ever see this problem before?
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[01:48:05] Wickedboy: I can't boot from usb. Is there a way to create a livecd of mythbuntu suited to my needs ?
[01:48:23] Daviey: Wickedboy: yes
[01:49:43] Wickedboy: but not with the install function, right ?
[01:49:43] siXy: tremby: sorry i was doing somehting else for a minute there. in /var/log there should be a log of what yum has updated lately. ss if theres an ssh update in there at all
[01:51:51] Daviey: Wickedboy: define "suited" to your needs
[01:52:10] Daviey: Are you sure you can't boot from usb... most modern motherboards allow it?
[01:52:22] Daviey: Do you have a floppy drive?
[01:52:27] tremby: siXy: debian uses aptitude, not yum, but i can see the relevant log... today i updated gzip, console-data, console-common, tzdata, dictionaries-common, libartsc0, libaudio2, libfaac0, libraw1394–8 and transcode.
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[01:55:07] siXy: tremby: sorry i thoguht you said the backend was fedora.
[01:55:23] tremby: siXy: backend's debian and i have frontends on fedora and ubuntu
[01:55:28] siXy: ahh
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[01:57:13] siXy: tremby: might be worth running http://www.chkrootkit.org/ just in case, but it sounds to me like you have something dodgy that is running by default, maybein inittab, maybe in one of your startup scripts that is not terminating properly on exit and is causing a lot of problems
[01:58:34] siXy: I would do a minimal boot, then start an ssh session. run a ps -ef, capture the output then start a second. run ps -ef again, then close the second and run ps 0ef a third time. you may be able to figure out what is going on from that
[01:58:58] tremby: siXy: news on all this — i powercycled the server a few mins ago (it crashed on reboot, waiting for these zombies to end perhaps? so i powered it off manually) and now i can't make zombies at will by exiting and ssh session. i've just started mythfrontend on this other machine and when it ends i expect a zombie mythbackend. but now there's something interesting on so i'm watching it haha
[01:59:00] Wickedboy: No I don't Daviey
[01:59:05] Wickedboy: It's a notebook
[01:59:13] Wickedboy: acer travelmate .. doesnt support usb booting
[01:59:38] Daviey: and no floppy drive?
[02:00:38] Daviey: As i said.. what sort of customisations are you looking to do?
[02:00:39] siXy: tremby: heh :)
[02:00:48] Daviey: Wickedboy: ^
[02:03:46] defaultro: hey guys, I couldn't find why mplayer is slow when called inside mythtv. When I run mplayer using the same playcommand from videomedata, playback is smooth.
[02:06:59] siXy: defaultro: using aiglx and/or xgl/compiz?
[02:07:02] Wickedboy: nothing special
[02:07:10] Wickedboy: Just setting the stuff that'S needed
[02:07:23] Wickedboy: like the wpa key for the wlan and ip settings, and database setting
[02:07:24] Wickedboy: *S
[02:07:31] Wickedboy: And net share mounting
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[02:11:54] Daviey: Wickedboy: hmm.. we are experimenting with having a pendrive for persisent storage
[02:12:23] Daviey: ie storing myth specific info.. didn't consider wpa etc settings – that's a good idea
[02:12:37] Wickedboy: yeah that would be cool
[02:12:52] Wickedboy: are you depeloping mythbuntu ?
[02:12:57] Daviey: yup
[02:13:02] Wickedboy: i see
[02:13:05] Wickedboy: good job :=)
[02:13:17] Daviey: thanks..
[02:13:18] Wickedboy: It's just – I can't use my hard-drive, since it'S a notebook as I said
[02:13:27] Wickedboy: And I can't boot from usb
[02:13:40] Daviey: is the hd big enough to have a seperate partition?
[02:13:43] Wickedboy: and the installation didnt work by the way (I tried installing it to usb)
[02:13:57] Wickedboy: well ... It's pretty stuffed right now
[02:14:08] Wickedboy: But I guess I could get a little free space
[02:14:08] Daviey: yeah.. the best way is to install it to a proper hd.. then cp it across i'm afriad
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[02:14:52] Wickedboy: If I wouldnt need windows, I could just get ubuntu to be my main OS
[02:15:10] Daviey: Wickedboy: You could also look into having the filesystem an NFS share.. and just the kernel local (thats a good blend of space usage / memory and boot speed)
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[02:15:41] Daviey: Wickedboy: nobody needs windows :)
[02:15:43] Wickedboy: yeah that's what I'm trying to do
[02:15:57] Wickedboy: hehe .. I shouldnt have said the W-word in a linux channel
[02:15:58] Daviey: Wickedboy: then do it :)
[02:16:23] Daviey: anyway.. bed time for me.. nn
[02:16:29] Wickedboy: sleep well
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[02:23:12] eidolon: hmm, if i wanted to put some avi files onto my myth box where i could see them, what directory should id rop them in?
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[02:32:45] siXy: eidolon: look in video settings and see where your video directory is.
[02:32:46] cesman: eidolon: doesn't really matter
[02:33:07] cesman: put them where you want (1 dir), then tell MythVideo where to look
[02:33:24] siXy: yeah or that way around :)
[02:35:16] eidolon: heh
[02:35:18] eidolon: okay, thanks.
[02:36:39] venger: i'm playing back a SD recording and I notice a vertical line of pixels at the right edge of the screen (seems to be same color as the myth background). I do have the GUI size set to compensate for overscan as well as 2% set for overscan under playback settings. Is there anything I can do with this?
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[02:48:59] defaultro: hi siXy
[02:49:20] defaultro: glx
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[02:52:41] siXy: hi – sorry trying to do a lot of things at once :)
[02:53:34] siXy: if you are using any sort of hardware desktop accelleration that can mess with myth, and could potentially cause what you are seeing
[02:58:35] siXy: other than that, I am not sure why mplayer within myth is any slower than mplayer outside myth
[03:04:26] benc-: mplayer executed by myth might be running with different config options than right from command line
[03:06:26] darkwizard: i get more errors then don't
[03:11:53] fryfrog: woo woo, wireless working on mah ubuntu laptop!
[03:13:29] tremby: live tv playback just stopped unexpectedly. i hit escape and got back to the menu, and hit watch tv again. i'm getting "mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected...." and tells me to cancel recordings or select something from the playback menu. i can't find anything relevant, though. what's going on?
[03:16:36] tremby: tried to restart the backend and i've got a zombie mythbackend again. great.
[03:17:26] venger: seems like something would show up in the backend log
[03:17:34] tremby: and now i'm getting other zombie processes again — just exited an ssh session and it's gone zombie
[03:19:29] venger: tremby, what distro?
[03:19:43] tremby: venger: backend on debian, frontend on fedora
[03:20:41] linagee: oh i hate sports!
[03:20:49] linagee: no simpsons on fox because of base ball
[03:20:53] venger: well if zombie action is spanning into ssh processes, i'd suspect dmesg; cat /var/log/messages; df -k would be worth a look, you are on debian perhaps you've checked all this
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[03:22:31] tremby: the end of my backend log is here http://rafb.net/p/aMN3Hy81.html — it says at one point there are no capture cards but i don't see how that could be. ends on "failed to bind port 6543" which would suggest it was trying to load a second instance of mythbackend. i had run /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart.
[03:24:00] tremby: venger: ah — in messages i get this just before tv unexpectedly stopped: Oct 29 03:08:06 perigee kernel: usb 4–2: USB disconnect, address 3
[03:24:07] tremby: but i didn't touch it...
[03:24:14] tremby: what was the free space command for?
[03:24:22] venger: what kernel version?
[03:24:33] tremby: Linux perigee 2.6.18-5–686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 26 17:54:59 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:24:37] venger: random ideas tremby, remember i'm on the otherside of the wire
[03:24:58] siXy: tremby: the free space is just the autoexpire checking for space, it can be ignored
[03:25:37] tremby: any ideas why i might have got this USB disconnect message?
[03:25:44] siXy: it sounds like you are having problems keeping your sub tuner connected tot he system – i dont know a lot about usb tuners however
[03:25:57] tremby: i could try a different port i suppose
[03:26:28] siXy: if you get the failed to bind to port 6543 message however, you can always run lsof -i TCP:6543
[03:26:41] siXy: that will show you the pid of the process using that port
[03:26:53] tremby: siXy: the lsof command returns nothing
[03:27:15] venger: how old is this setup tremby?
[03:27:55] siXy: tremby: in that case you should be able to start the backend again now
[03:28:06] tremby: the mythtv backend has been installed a week or so but not running. i only plugged in the tuner yesterday. debian has been on that machine for a month or so
[03:28:29] linagee: is there anything i can do about my mythtv box? there's nothing but sports on TV! :(
[03:28:57] linagee: "we now interrupt these regularly scheduled programs for sports"
[03:29:16] tremby: siXy: no i can't. mythtv-backend start says it's already running. mythtv-backend restart says it isn't running. in actual fact it's a zombie.
[03:30:11] siXy: tremby: ok, thats not too surprising since your kernel just lost your tuner unexpectedly
[03:30:22] Der_Thomas: Hey, I have a recording that is "stuck" in my recordings – When I hit delete it doesn't go away. Anyone know another way to delete this?
[03:30:31] venger: what card is it?
[03:30:37] venger: sorry if i missed it
[03:30:49] tremby: venger: hauppauge nova-t usb2
[03:31:04] tremby: lsusb seems to have crashed
[03:31:09] tremby: isn't responding to control-c
[03:31:19] tremby: or control-z
[03:31:26] siXy: tremby: yeah that doesnt surprise me either
[03:31:39] tremby: ideas? go unplug and replug tuner perhaps?
[03:31:45] siXy: i would suggest trying a different kernel version and/or tuner driver version
[03:31:53] venger: personally? roll another kernel
[03:32:08] venger: modulize usb as well, include debug
[03:32:25] tremby: i prefer to let debian update the kernel when it feels like it, makes things easier
[03:32:51] tremby: there's another firmware i could try for this tuner
[03:33:01] siXy: tremby: well thats probably whats cause all these issues, a kernel update
[03:33:24] tremby: siXy: actually the kernel hasn't updated for a long time — much longer than mythtv has been installed
[03:33:30] siXy: strange that lsof doesnt show zombies tho
[03:33:38] siXy: tremby: hmm.
[03:33:42] venger: tremby is it a nova-t 500?
[03:33:51] tremby: no, nova-t usb2.
[03:34:25] tremby: i'll put the other firmware in place, go down and unplug and replug the tuner in a different socket...
[03:34:27] venger: here's the 500 and usb disconnect issue: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct . . . 4/cat/myprod
[03:35:20] tremby: 2.6.21 eh?...
[03:35:24] tremby: i'm still on 2.6.18
[03:35:38] venger: it could be related, who knows i'm leaning towards kernel either way
[03:36:21] tremby: bit of a wrench... i wanted to stick to debian stable but needed a package only in lenny (testing) so i brought everything up to lenny. i don't really want to go up to unstable
[03:36:29] siXy: tremby: the nova-t 500 is just two usb cards strapped together. go grab yourself 2.6.21 and hopefully this will all go away
[03:37:23] venger: i'm running the backend on the a debootstrap sid box if that helps
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[03:37:40] tremby: oh i guess i'm just new to debian — it seems i can get 2.6.22 from the repo but just have to be explicit about it
[03:38:12] ** siXy is smug as fedora 7 is on 2.6.20 right now **
[03:38:44] venger: makes it even easier, just keep your old config in lilo/grub and you're set. drop a line if you need help. brb
[03:40:46] tremby: any idea if i want the ...-k7 package, seeing as this is an athlon xp?
[03:40:57] tremby: rather than usual 686
[03:41:30] siXy: tremby: no idea im not really up on debians packaging
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[03:45:10] venger: what processesor do you have?
[03:47:13] venger: ...a couple of extra characters in there but no harm done
[03:47:30] tremby: athlon xp, as i said
[03:47:39] tremby: i've installed 2.6.22-k7
[03:47:56] tremby: it won't reboot with one of these zombies though so i'll have to go down and cycle it manually
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[03:48:50] venger: sorry already have to squint
[03:48:52] tremby: for some reason, it was set to always keep the 2.6.18 kernel. i asked over in #debian and they said specify the "linux-image-k7" package, which is supposed to always get me the latest one
[03:49:08] Suggley: Hi ppl – was wondering if there is a way to view the music like you view your video's? so i can browse folders etc?
[03:49:17] tremby: install mythmusic
[03:49:41] tremby: having said that, i've never used mythvideo or mythmusic — they never seemed to find my files, but i didn't exactly try hard
[03:49:54] Suggley: i have that installed – but i dont see any view options
[03:50:01] tremby: beyond me already then!
[03:50:26] Suggley: :(
[03:51:13] venger: Suggley, i imagine you have to tell it where they are just like mythvideo and it would apply to backend if its not a combo setup
[03:52:28] Suggley: ok i have it working etc – but it just shows the lot as a big big list of music
[03:52:44] Suggley: i want to be able to browse it as folders not a big list
[03:52:44] tremby: oh, is that where /i/'ve always being going wrong? the media has to be mounted on the /backend/?
[03:53:17] Suggley: i believe so tremby yes
[03:53:35] tremby: bizarre. i thought mythvideo was a plugin to the frontend, not the backend
[03:54:09] tremby: excellent, running 2.6.22 now
[03:54:57] Suggley: i thought it was a plugin to the backend – but i am a noob really
[03:55:34] venger: it is a plugin to the frontend but it streams from the backend just like recordings
[03:55:59] venger: use nfs mount and common directory naming
[03:56:43] tremby: oh i won't have to — it's all stored on the same machine. that works out pretty well then — means i don't have to mount it on the frontend machine
[03:56:45] Suggley: i guess what i am asking is to be able to browse by band/artist name does any1 know if thats possible
[03:57:22] venger: tremby, sorry, i thought you told me the backend was debian and frontend was fedora, not sure where i dreamt that up
[03:57:37] tremby: venger: that's exactly right.
[03:57:56] tremby: now you've confused me.
[03:58:12] tremby: the backend is our fileserver too
[03:58:54] tremby: do you know if there's a way to simulate unplugging and replugging a usb device? save me walking downstairs? haha
[03:59:09] venger: i goofed in my statement, playback is streamed, but mythvideo plays files like DVD's locally, so if you want to keep things on your backend use a nfs mount
[03:59:13] venger: sorry for the confusion
[03:59:49] tremby: i don't follow
[04:00:09] tremby: what about video files
[04:00:16] tremby: (not physical dvds in the frontend machine's drive)
[04:00:40] venger: DVD-rips
[04:00:48] venger: sorry i'm tired its midnight
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[04:01:28] tremby: hehe still not clear... you say playback is streamed, but files are played locally. that seems contradictory
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[04:02:50] venger: your recordings are accessible as is an will be streamed from the BE, but with other things like .avi's, dvd-rips if you use mythvideo, built in player (or xine, mplayer) you need local access to the media. if you want to maintain storage on the BE then use a NFS so as to make it look local
[04:04:05] tremby: right, all clear now. that's how i thought it worked originally
[04:04:13] tremby: so the backend neither knows nor cares about your avi collection
[04:04:24] tremby: only things it itself has recorded
[04:04:29] tremby: and live tv obviously
[04:04:41] venger: right thats what i intended to say originally
[04:05:25] tremby: haha and instead you came out with this tripe: (03:55:34) venger: it is a plugin to the frontend but it streams from the backend just like recordings
[04:05:29] tremby: :)
[04:06:08] venger: i know and you promptly called me out inside of taking it in and treating it as "gospel"
[04:06:17] venger: c/inside/instead
[04:06:37] tremby: well it was just the opposite of what i had always thought
[04:06:43] tremby: all good now though
[04:06:59] venger: so, whats up with the tuner
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[04:07:57] tremby: with the new kernel i need a new firmware file. i have it but need to get it to try and load again. trying to find out how to simulate unplugging and replugging it without going downstairs haha!
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[04:08:12] tremby: i think i'm on to something — rmmod usbcore and modprobe usbcore
[04:08:35] venger: it'll bitch about dependancy's
[04:08:41] tremby: really? booo
[04:08:51] tremby: yeah it does
[04:08:56] venger: you'll have to start and the end of the chain and work back to usbcore
[04:09:10] tremby: well i spose it's less effort to stretch my legs afterall. brb
[04:09:14] venger: i wonder if restarting udev would work
[04:09:51] venger: some stuff i just dont ever feel compelled or need to try
[04:10:13] siXy: venger: are you sure you can restart udev?
[04:10:26] tremby: udev is int /etc/init.d on my debian system
[04:10:32] tremby: anyway, replugged. let's see if it works...
[04:10:42] darkwizard: i keep getting this error
[04:10:46] darkwizard: diseqcsettings.cpp:1532: error: 'class DiSEqCDevSwitch' has no member named 'SetAddress'
[04:11:15] siXy: yeah but if you restart udev that implies stopping it. and if you were somehow able to stop udev then everything in /dev would go away which sounds to me like a bad plan
[04:11:45] tremby: that does sound like a bad plan
[04:11:51] venger: it'd say it was a bad plan if they added a "stop" switch in that script too
[04:12:12] venger: lol
[04:13:05] venger: i'm sure it would do some sort of sanity check and not do things its shouldn't right? its not like you'll get a blue screen
[04:13:12] siXy: well to restart somehting you have to stop it first.. i guess you could do a psuedo restart where udev looks to see if anythings changed... i think for anything more than that you need a reboot
[04:13:24] tremby: ooh just started mythfrontend on the other x display — my tri-screen glory is one 1280*1024 and then a twinview double of two 1280*1024s. if i load mythfrontend on the single screen everything looks right. but if i load it on the double width display everything is squashed horizontally. any ideas why this might be?
[04:13:45] defaultro: hey guys, what do I check to make sure that mythtv user has full privilege/priority in the o.s.?
[04:13:54] tremby: and i mean squashed inwards rather than stretched out, like i would have expected
[04:14:16] siXy: because your theme is not deigned for an 8:3 ratio?
[04:15:07] siXy: oh.. i dunno. that depends on how you are generating the two screens i guess, and if they are one or two X displays, and if they have seperate X extensions
[04:15:23] siXy: defaultro: what do you mean by full privileges?
[04:15:45] siXy: if you just want to see if its running as root, do ps -ef | grep mythbackend
[04:16:04] tremby: siXy: i think they count as one thing everywhere. i should mention that i'm loading mythfrontend with --geometry 1280x1024
[04:16:12] tremby: so it's only on one physical monitor
[04:16:22] tremby: ie therefore the theme looks fine. it's playback which is squashed
[04:16:37] venger: defaultro, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html under real-time scheduling
[04:17:31] siXy: tremby: uh. you need to actually check that i'm afraid. are they both X:0:1:0 or is one 2:0, or is one 1:1 or what?
[04:18:17] tremby: siXy: :0.1 is the left, independent, screen. i can't drag windows between that and [middle and right], which is :0 and two physical monitors twinview'd
[04:19:47] siXy: ok, try starting without the --gemoetry
[04:20:40] tremby: i'm never going to want to do that and so would rather save myself waiting for it to resize the theme images. i've done it before and it spans centre and right. it has the correct aspect ratio
[04:20:56] tremby: i've just changed something in my xorg.conf which may fix it... gotta restart x so i'll be right back.
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[04:23:42] tremby: no, same deal.
[04:24:20] tremby: i changed the physical size in the monitor section to twice the width, thinking mythtv might have been using that to decide on scaling. nope.
[04:24:51] venger: you got run seperate modes for GUI and playback set?
[04:25:05] tremby: hmm that in frontend settings?
[04:25:09] venger: yep
[04:25:16] tremby: where abouts?
[04:25:19] venger: under TV settings, playback
[04:25:24] venger: or wait
[04:25:35] tremby: aspect override is off...
[04:25:40] venger: try appearance first
[04:25:55] venger: i dont have access to my FE, wife is using it
[04:26:14] darkwizard: any way to delete myth and start over
[04:26:16] tremby: didn't see separate modes setting
[04:26:41] venger: try the other one i mentioned
[04:27:11] tremby: you only mentioned tv settings, playback i think
[04:28:33] tremby: in appearance there's "use gui size for tv playback"
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[04:28:54] tremby: and the setting you mentioned: separate video modes for gui and tv playback is not ticked
[04:30:32] tremby: i shouldn't think it should be, either
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[04:31:19] venger: well theres are just a couple of many screen related settings, i assume Xorg is fine, its just that you have to get mythtv to play nice with twinview
[04:31:37] venger: c/theres/those
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[06:36:37] bsdfox__: I have 3 frontends and lirc recently broke on all of them
[06:36:56] bsdfox__: only on mythfrontend though, lirc works fine with mplayer etc
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[07:06:29] anxt: does it work with SD and in canada?
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[12:42:16] Aval0n: is it normal that when I play an xvid I have no controls working?
[12:42:27] Aval0n: can't ffwd rew pause. even esc out..
[12:42:50] Aval0n: when the movie is done I get back to menu and all controls on the remote are fine again..
[12:43:28] jimbalaya: Aval0n: yes, if the lirc config files aren't set up properly
[12:43:50] directhex|work: jimbalaya, there's a more common cause
[12:44:06] directhex|work: Aval0n, you're using mplayer as your mythvideo player app?
[12:44:14] jimbalaya: oh, i thought it was the lircrc wasn't set up to pass remote info on to that app
[12:44:42] directhex|work: jimbalaya, focus issues IME. probably isn't using a WM at all
[12:45:06] jimbalaya: aaahh
[12:45:36] anykey_: just use myth internal player ;)
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[12:49:46] Aval0n: directhex
[12:49:47] Aval0n: yes I am
[12:50:19] Aval0n: I'm using whatever myth is setup to use by default
[12:50:23] Aval0n: which i've seen is mplayer
[12:51:18] GreyFoxx: It use to be mplayer by default, but I think since 0.20 the default is internal.
[12:51:40] Aval0n: ahh well for some reason wit xvids it's not working
[12:51:41] directhex|work: Aval0n, your WM isn't handing focus to the spawned mplayer window properly
[12:51:55] Aval0n: i'm using .20.2
[12:51:55] directhex|work: Aval0n, the mythfrontend window behind it retains focus
[12:52:08] Aval0n: there a fix for that?
[12:52:16] Aval0n: when I ripped my transformers dvd to the drive
[12:52:21] Aval0n: the remote works great
[12:52:22] directhex|work: Aval0n, use a better WM, or the myth internal player
[12:52:42] Aval0n: well I'm using whatever myth is using as default
[12:52:50] Aval0n: I'm using 0.20.2
[12:52:50] directhex|work: no, you're not
[12:52:59] directhex|work: myth doesn't use a wm by default, myth is an app
[12:53:02] GreyFoxx: Aval0n: If you pause, do you see the same OSD as you see when pausing a recording ?
[12:53:15] Aval0n: I can't pause the xvid greyfox
[12:53:20] directhex|work: it uses whatever wm you choose to run. which in many cases is what your distro assigns you
[12:53:27] GreyFoxx: Then you are not using the internal player
[12:53:32] GreyFoxx: are you using a window manager >
[12:53:34] GreyFoxx: ?
[12:53:35] Aval0n: no
[12:53:41] Aval0n: well
[12:53:42] GreyFoxx: That's your problem
[12:53:43] Aval0n: I'm using openbox
[12:53:49] Aval0n: it's the myth ubuntu frontend
[12:53:49] directhex|work: Aval0n, mplayer uses its own set of lirc commands & settings, you need an extra set of lirc controls AND to configure mplayer to use them
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[12:54:18] GreyFoxx: Aval0n: With no window manager running you have focus issues when spawning new apps
[12:54:20] Aval0n: somewhere in myth settings I should be able to verify if internal is toggled on or off correct?
[12:54:32] GreyFoxx: yes, you can check the player setup in the mythvideo settings
[12:54:39] Aval0n: let me check it out
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[12:54:47] speedsix: Hi all
[12:54:48] directhex|work: Aval0n, to use the internal player, set the player command to "Internal" instead of "mplayer %s" or whatever it is
[12:56:13] speedsix: I've got a dvb related problem if anyone can help?
[12:56:28] Aval0n: ahh shit
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[12:56:33] Aval0n: I don't have a keyboard setup
[12:56:35] Aval0n: hehe
[12:56:45] Aval0n: is the internal player better than mplayer?
[12:56:50] directhex|work: Aval0n, depends
[12:57:09] Aval0n: OSB keyboard will work I guess..
[12:57:14] directhex|work: Aval0n, mplayer has a comletely different UI, and requires you to configure a duplicate set of LIRC controls. and to alter the mplayer config to use them
[12:58:17] Aval0n: k
[12:58:22] Aval0n: I typed Internal
[12:58:32] Aval0n: as long as the video plays smooth that's all I care about
[12:58:41] Aval0n: well and the controls work
[12:58:42] Aval0n: :)
[12:59:09] Aval0n: beautiful
[12:59:13] Aval0n: thanks so much guys
[12:59:44] Aval0n: how can I control aspect ratio
[12:59:59] Aval0n: apparently is't using the playback setting for 16:9 settings
[13:00:21] Aval0n: no biggy I gotta fly for work
[13:00:25] Aval0n: thanks for you help guys!
[13:00:28] ** Aval0n is away, work.. [l/][p/] **
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[13:05:36] adante: howdy.. silly question here but with a capture card with hardware encoder (specifically, WinTV-HVR-1100) i should be able to capture from the video-in and use hardware encoding right?
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[13:07:23] directhex|work: adante, no
[13:07:34] directhex|work: adante, because the 1100 doesn't have a hardware encoder
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[13:13:47] adante: oh, right
[13:15:26] directhex|work: so re-ask the question with the 1300!
[13:15:46] adante: alas i don't have the opportunity to buy the 1300 for $25!
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[14:02:49] jarle_: Aval0n: what I prefer with the internal player compared to mplayer is that the internal player will automatically show you remaining time when you pause playback, using mplayer you have to bring up OSD...
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[14:20:44] Wickedboy: hello everyone
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[14:27:43] rowdy: a person I know got banned for some reason from this channel, how does he get unbanned
[14:29:04] TapoutT: magicial pixie dust
[14:29:22] |Torg|: who is the person and why was he banned?
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[14:45:09] Wickedboy: Is there a way to let the backend decode my videos, so I can use really weak hardware for my frontend ?
[14:45:19] GreyFoxx: no
[14:45:30] directhex|work: Wickedboy, do you have 10gbit ethernet?
[14:45:33] GreyFoxx: the network bandwidth requirements would be unreasonable
[14:45:45] Wickedboy: Oh .. I see
[14:46:13] directhex|work: 2gbit myrinet fibre would be enough, actually
[14:46:37] directhex|work: just about
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[14:50:25] Wickedboy: I want to set up thin clients on many places in my apartment
[14:50:49] Wickedboy: And I'm not sure if those are all performant enough to play videos and stuff
[14:51:35] GreyFoxx: what kind of processors are in them and what type of content are you playing? (sdtv or hdtv)
[14:52:21] Wickedboy: its primarily videos right now – not TV
[14:52:27] Wickedboy: primarily mythvideo
[14:52:56] Wickedboy: And I didnt buy them yet
[14:53:08] Wickedboy: But I have to buy them thinking about the requirements
[14:53:53] Wickedboy: And I'm not that rich that I can afford huge stations for every client
[14:54:40] directhex|work: mac mini!
[14:55:44] Wickedboy: no way
[14:56:10] Wickedboy: and they're not even cheap
[14:56:18] Wickedboy: which is no wonder, since it's apple
[15:00:59] directhex|work: for a silent , tiny core 2 duo machine, they can't be beaten on price
[15:01:25] directhex|work: core2 meaning hd h264 is a feasible option
[15:04:53] Wickedboy: Yeah, but I want to have it as small as possible
[15:05:01] Wickedboy: I thought about 400 mhz or something
[15:08:52] directhex|work: 400mhz is fine as long as you don't want to actually watch video
[15:09:11] directhex|work: 400mhz is pushing it for something low-intensity like dvd
[15:09:22] rowdy: a person I know got banned for some reason from this channel, how does he get unbanned
[15:09:34] directhex|work: <|Torg|> who is the person and why was he banned?
[15:09:36] rowdy: i am sorry |Torg|
[15:10:11] rowdy: hes a friend of mine..he was trying to get some answers about mythtv
[15:10:44] rowdy: he says he logged out cleanly yesterday and this morning he tried joining and he got the message he was banned
[15:10:57] directhex|work: you're being purposefully vague, to prevent us from checking channel logs
[15:11:06] directhex|work: which is a big red mark against unbanning
[15:11:06] rowdy: no directhex
[15:11:26] rowdy: i am sorry t sounds that way
[15:11:44] directhex|work: if you weren't being intentionally vague, you'd simply answer the question, and through magic grep powers, we'd se specifically when & why he was banned
[15:11:49] directhex|work: which would allow for making a judgement
[15:11:55] jams: rowdy- is he is using the generic nick of mythtv that is one reason to be banned for "no reason"
[15:12:03] rowdy: i can ask him to request it, he will be able to provide more info himself..
[15:12:10] rowdy: wait a sec let me send u the email
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[15:12:45] rowdy: http://pastebin.ca/753770
[15:12:49] Redman276: morning
[15:13:00] rowdy: this is what he sent me this morning
[15:13:13] Redman276: is there a howto that helps with making a digiwave 103g work with mythtv ?
[15:13:50] rowdy: I guess it wasnt this channel :P..didnt read the email properly.
[15:14:04] rowdy: but what is the procedure to get unbanned
[15:14:08] directhex|work: rowdy, he's not
[15:14:14] directhex|work: chatjunkies is another network
[15:14:18] directhex|work: this is freenode
[15:14:43] rowdy: oh i see
[15:15:01] rowdy: what is the procedure to get unbanned
[15:15:05] directhex|work: he's not
[15:15:06] directhex|work: chatjunkies is another network
[15:15:08] directhex|work: this is freenode
[15:15:17] rowdy: i understand
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[15:15:23] directhex|work: there is no official mythtv-related channel on chatjunkies
[15:15:33] directhex|work: #mythtv and #mythtv-users are on freenode
[15:15:38] rowdy: but what should he do in that server to get unbanned..just curious
[15:16:08] directhex|work: no idea. talk to chatjunkies. they have nothing to do with freenode, and #mythtv on chatjunkies has nothing to do with mythtv
[15:16:28] rowdy: yup, i told him to go to mythtv-users
[15:16:32] rowdy: i guess he forgot
[15:16:45] directhex|work: #mythtv-users on chatjunkies won't help him either
[15:16:48] rowdy: well, i will let him know
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[15:17:00] rowdy: ok, thanks for the heads-up
[15:17:01] directhex|work: since there is no official mythtv-related channel on chatjunkies
[15:17:20] directhex|work: generally, open-source-related channels are on freenode or oftc
[15:17:27] rowdy: oh ok
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[15:18:22] directhex|work: plus, his email relates to #xchat banning him, which is even further away from #mythtv-users on freenode
[15:19:14] rowdy: :)
[15:19:31] rowdy: do people get automatically banned
[15:19:53] rowdy: or something they do causes the admin to ban them
[15:20:43] directhex|work: depends on the channel and network
[15:20:53] rowdy: ok
[15:21:08] rowdy: anyway, thanks for the input directhex
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[15:31:06] GreyFoxx: cd ..
[15:31:09] GreyFoxx: doh
[15:31:32] Wickedboy: did anyone ever try setting up a diskless frontend using pxe ?
[15:31:33] Vaelys: fail.
[15:31:42] GreyFoxx: Wickedboy: Lost of people do
[15:32:07] GreyFoxx: just about anyone using minimyth is doing it
[15:32:21] GreyFoxx: I've used pxe, etherboot and other stuff in the past.
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[15:32:34] Wickedboy: I'm just wondering how much power my thinclients will need
[15:32:36] GreyFoxx: currently I get a kernel of cf cards and nfs root my stuff
[15:32:42] Wickedboy: I see
[15:32:50] Wickedboy: That'S what I'm thinking about too
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[15:34:10] GreyFoxx: My diskless frontends are all 733mhz processorrs with 128 meg of ram
[15:34:15] GreyFoxx: my "
[15:34:28] GreyFoxx: my "big one" is much more powerful for hd content
[15:34:29] Wickedboy: Are you watching hdtv on them ?
[15:34:33] GreyFoxx: hecek no
[15:34:37] directhex|work: hdtv on 733mhz?
[15:34:38] Wickedboy: hehe
[15:34:42] GreyFoxx: those would fall over and die at 733mhz
[15:34:43] directhex|work: i'm not goihng to dignify that with a HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[15:34:49] Wickedboy: I don't have any expoerience with hdtv
[15:34:58] Wickedboy: But thanks for encouraging me ;)
[15:35:02] GreyFoxx: heh
[15:35:19] directhex|work: you'll be unable to play hd h264 on less than a 3ghz core2, on the current version of myth. and that'll be touch & go
[15:35:42] Wickedboy: wow .. I see
[15:35:43] GreyFoxx: all of my hdtv stuff is mpeg2 thankfully
[15:35:51] Wickedboy: Well, then no hdtv for me I guess
[15:36:08] GreyFoxx: the vast majority of my stuff is sdtv, so the little frontends are good for that
[15:36:35] opello: GreyFoxx: what do you use for decoding mepg2 hd?
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[15:36:51] Wickedboy: yeah .. we'll set up a big machine in the living room, connected to the projector
[15:36:54] GreyFoxx: opell pure cpu, not using any hardware assitance
[15:37:03] Wickedboy: But I want one in the kitchen and one in the bathroom
[15:37:09] opello: GreyFoxx: ah i meant hardware wise
[15:37:33] GreyFoxx: opello: I use to use an xp2500+, but now using a sempron 2800+
[15:37:35] opello: still specing out stuff to add hd to my existing setup
[15:37:59] GreyFoxx: my wife never used her desktop so I took it and made it our new frontend
[15:37:59] opello: oh that's not so bad
[15:38:03] opello: heh, nice
[15:38:23] GreyFoxx: she uses one of my laptops so this way the most powerful machine in the house gets used :)
[15:38:38] Wickedboy: directhex – are you using a mac mini?
[15:39:16] directhex|work: Wickedboy, not yet. unfortunately, only one antenna socket in the house works, and it's next to the tv, so i use a combined be/fe right now
[15:39:26] Wickedboy: I see
[15:39:57] Wickedboy: I'm not too familiar with mac stuff, but maybe the mac mini really might be an alternative for the big machine in the living room
[15:40:20] Wickedboy: since this one might play hdtv
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[15:49:57] Wickedboy: But I don't have to use os X, right ?
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[15:53:52] Redman276: anyone have an idea how to turn on the 103g digiwave in mythtv ?
[16:00:44] directhex|work: unsupported by linuxtv
[16:01:17] directhex|work: possibly supported in the linuxtv hd repo
[16:01:20] directhex|work: hg
[16:01:20] GreyFoxx: Anyone know of any "good" multidisc CD/DVD changers? Preferrably something USB controllable ?
[16:01:33] ** GreyFoxx is looking for something to house 100–300 discs **
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[16:02:27] jams: GreyFoxx- only one i know of is the sony xlb and it's over firewire
[16:02:49] GreyFoxx: that would work. Is it just controllable over firewire or can you feed the data over it too ?
[16:03:01] jams: firewire is the only connection
[16:03:13] jams: so yeah data over firewire as well
[16:03:25] ** GreyFoxx goes googling **
[16:04:17] jams: somebody even started to make mythdvd patches for it
[16:04:37] jams: it's the XL1B
[16:04:43] GreyFoxx: ahh ok no wonder
[16:05:41] jams: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Sony_XL1B2
[16:06:35] jams: all others that i have seen are scsi based as WAY out of my price range.
[16:07:27] GreyFoxx: Sweet, this could be most useful if I get one reasonably priced
[16:08:10] jams: should be able to find one for around $3000
[16:08:13] jams: #300
[16:08:16] jams: $300
[16:08:29] GreyFoxx: hmmm that I could justify :)
[16:08:46] jams: the local store still have some on the shelf from when compusa left closed down.
[16:08:59] GreyFoxx: Nice
[16:09:02] jams: tigerdirect would also be a decent choice(if they ship to you)
[16:09:18] GreyFoxx: I would get rid of all my rips and used the original disks
[16:09:25] Redman276: linuxtv hg ?
[16:09:35] GreyFoxx: and then just make sure I setup something so I can feed that to remote frontends (even if it's a share)
[16:09:36] jams: right..once you bring the patches up to snuff =)
[16:09:49] GreyFoxx: I'd love toplay with something like that
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[16:12:16] jams: i do have one..and plan to work with it again. Right now it's hooked up to the mac mini
[16:12:55] jams: i was waiting on the guy to finish his patches, but that was months ago
[16:15:28] jams: sweet logging callerid to a database is working. Now i don't have to worry about the logfile being overwritten or rotated away
[16:15:32] mkrufky: Redman276: i think that digiwave 103g card is supported, just under a different name
[16:15:37] mkrufky: i *think*
[16:15:52] mkrufky: ....isnt that a dvb-s card, using cx24110 + cx24109 ?
[16:16:03] mkrufky: cx2388x – based?
[16:16:04] GreyFoxx: jams: heh if I find someone who will ship cheaply to me I might pick one up
[16:16:12] GreyFoxx: I've wanted something like this for a while
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[16:21:20] directhex|work: mkrufky, it is, but according to the wiki, lacks tuner support
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[16:23:32] mkrufky: which tuner?
[16:23:42] mkrufky: can you point me to that link? id be happy to resolve the issue for you
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[16:37:35] directhex|work: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2006-June/010791.html  ?
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[17:41:18] bsdfox: anyone had problems with lirc on the latest svn builds?
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[17:58:51] EnterUserName: hi all
[17:58:57] EnterUserName: anyone here have a PSP 2.5 firmware or higher
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[19:46:25] [miles]: evening
[19:47:10] [miles]: guys, I dont know why, but myth seems to start recording any channel I switch to... is there away to disable this... Ideally I'd like it just to watch my dvb-s 's and occasionally record something
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[19:50:20] Toxicity999: Anyone mind paste binning an example of relevant xorg.conf info for a CRT TV as a main/only display?
[19:51:26] elb: that's going to depend heavily on your video card
[19:51:48] directhex: and your tv
[19:51:52] Toxicity999: I know
[19:51:55] directhex: and the type of cable you use
[19:52:00] Toxicity999: examples are what I'm asking for.
[19:52:01] directhex: and where in the world you live
[19:52:26] Toxicity999: I know how to do it extremely simple as a secondary, but wit ha primary configuration in other areas are easier.
[19:52:42] elb: http://pidgin.im/nopaste/167
[19:53:03] elb: that works for me, with a crappy (old) nvidia card and NTSC Composite output
[19:53:21] elb: it's not really an NV6, I don't know why it says that
[19:53:30] elb: well, it might be NV6, it's not a Vanta
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[19:56:57] Toxicity999: Alright... another thing. (MythTv Vet in general, but this is my first dedicated frontend box) Using mythbuntu, XFCE4 based, text is completely garbled. My first thought was a DPI issue. But I have no clue how XFCE handles that.
[19:57:53] elb: define "garbled"
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[19:58:20] Toxicity999: That's pretty hard to define, lol. I would just screenshot it, but no SSH set up on that box yet.
[19:58:25] [miles]: anyone?
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[20:01:23] slango: okay, so I set Myth to record Heroes "in this timeslot every week." but I don't have tv-guide data for this week (my Schedule Direct free trial expried and I don't get paid until tomorrow)
[20:01:37] slango: so will Heroes record in its normal timeslot tonight
[20:01:53] slango: or will it not record because Myth doesn't know if Heroes is actually what is playing?
[20:02:03] cesman: Check upcoming recordings...
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[20:02:03] dr_lulz: have a look at upcoming recordings
[20:02:11] dr_lulz: or localhost:6543 for a shortcut
[20:02:11] cesman: else, do a manual recording
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[20:03:33] slango: dr_lulz, well, it shows up in upcoming recordings, but it shows an "N" on the far right of the entry
[20:04:03] dr_lulz: sry, i'm not used to that UI, i always use mythweb
[20:04:11] slango: and I don't know what the N stands for
[20:04:12] dr_lulz: so i have no clue what that means ;)
[20:04:20] [miles]: ok.. I feel myth + dvb-s needs a lot of work.. http://pastebin.ca/754121
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[20:09:29] directhex: check your diseqc settings
[20:09:40] directhex: assuming you're not using some dodgy break-things-please filter like a softcam
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[20:22:17] defaultro: hi folks, does anyone here own a Toshiba HDDVD player?
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[20:22:41] lwizardl: Hi
[20:23:02] lwizardl: how can I remove the delay on an input?
[20:23:28] |Torg|: what delay?
[20:24:06] lwizardl: i have about a 3 sec delay from when i press a button and it responds (game)
[20:24:22] |Torg|: eliminate the thing in between the console and tv
[20:24:50] lwizardl: trying to record some online gaming matches
[20:25:09] |Torg|: split the input and record while its playing then
[20:25:18] BULLE: lwizardl: what tv card do you use ?
[20:25:29] lwizardl: BULLE, pvr-150
[20:25:53] BULLE: lwizardl: okies, the delay is unavoidable then, so, do as |Torg| suggests, and split the output, feed one to the pvr and the other to the tv
[20:26:00] BULLE: lwizardl: the mpeg2 encoding does give you some latency
[20:27:37] lwizardl: what card wouldn't have the lag?
[20:28:15] |Torg|: none, I take it you do not understand how an interrupt driven bus works
[20:28:42] lwizardl: on live tv i don't mind because then i can skip commercials but when using console i don't want it
[20:29:10] lwizardl: |Torg|, nope this is my first working mythtv box'
[20:30:06] |Torg|: your card signals the bus it has data, the bus chips wait untill it can service that card, the card then sends it via a buffer (fist step in lag) the data then has to be servied by teh CPU (next stp in lag) the data then gets sent to an output buffer (the video card, last step in lag)
[20:30:13] |Torg|: all that serviceing does not come for free
[20:30:56] |Torg|: "live' tv is really a recoding that you are watching, its not live. Then of couse there is lag from the brodacst so nothign is really "live" anyway
[20:31:46] |Torg|: so NOTHING you put betwene the output of that console and the input to the tv will not give you lag
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[20:41:37] BULLE: |Torg|: not even a passive splitter ?
[20:45:16] |Torg|: even a pasive spliter, even wire, of course im talking milisecons here :)
[20:45:43] |Torg|: but yea mostly anything that has to process signal will give you some lag to some dgree or antoher
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[20:47:13] samIam122: hey just wondering what kind of hardware would everyone use for a myth frontend?
[20:47:41] |Torg|: computers, with cpu and memory
[20:49:07] clever: and tv input/output cards:P
[20:49:31] clever: (im using irc on the tvout card atm from the couch)
[20:49:33] ** clever is lazy **
[20:49:42] samIam122: riiiight, so the hampster powered viewmaster projecter isn't the best option? :o)
[20:49:52] |Torg|: no tv cars, just cpu and memory
[20:49:55] clever: lol
[20:50:08] clever: tvout isnt needed but its nice
[20:50:08] |Torg|: sometines even just a dlink media player or an xbox
[20:50:22] |Torg|: no tvout, DVI to HDMI on my FE
[20:50:37] samIam122: I've been trying to get my xbox going but with little luck
[20:50:40] clever: dont have dvi on any of my main linux systems
[20:50:49] clever: and nothing can input hdmi
[20:50:58] |Torg|: output you mean?
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[20:51:12] clever: no input
[20:51:15] clever: the tv doesnt take hdmi
[20:51:25] |Torg|: oh and I also have a HDD in it, but thats just to put videos and stuff on mostly
[20:51:49] clever: only inputs i have are composite component svideo and raw coax
[20:52:03] samIam122: FDD won't work? but I thought I could use internet backup disk on it :)
[20:52:17] |Torg|: tftp boot will work with nfs filesytem
[20:52:30] clever: my frontend needs about 300kb/sec of bandwidth to the backend where the files are stored
[20:52:42] clever: which bordered on the limit of 802.11B
[20:54:01] |Torg|: just wire it for ethernet, its not too difficult
[20:54:11] jams: anybody here have a hdhomerun, and wouldn't mind pasting the results of hdhomerun_config --discover
[20:54:12] jams:
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[20:55:54] |Torg|: sorry jams im ol fassioned and use PCI dvb cards
[20:56:06] jams: no trouble
[20:56:10] clever: im stuck with a frame grabber
[20:56:16] clever: painfully hard on the cpu
[20:56:31] clever: cant watch stuff while recording or i corupt the recording
[20:56:36] jams: think i found what i needed on a website
[20:57:04] |Torg|: aint google grand :)
[20:57:13] jams: yes it is
[20:57:27] clever: but my master backend is able to stream 4 files at once(3 transcodes and a play)
[20:57:30] clever: while recording
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[20:57:35] clever: with little trouble
[21:01:46] clever: bbl
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[21:03:18] tomp: Hi there.... Got a slightly odd problem with a new installation. Everything seems to work perfectly, except watching live TV. Live TV has a slow frame rate... i would say about half, but watching recorded live tv is fine.
[21:03:36] tomp: I'm using a Wintv-nova-T PCI card
[21:04:02] tomp: Anyone got any thoughts?
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[21:46:24] mkrufky: directhex|work: sorry, i was away
[21:46:30] mkrufky: directhex|work: the cx24109 is supported
[21:47:03] sebastian_: Need som help with ACPI on a G33 based motherboard
[21:48:08] directhex: mkrufky, i'm not the one who was having problems with it. someone too lazy to use google was, and google says "no", as does the linuxtv dvb wiki. feel free to fix either
[21:48:13] directhex: sebastian_, asus?
[21:48:21] sebastian_: No Gigabyte
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[21:48:42] ** mkrufky lets users fix the wiki, while i work on code **
[21:52:54] sebastian_: no clues?
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[21:57:04] jackliddle: Potentially silly question. MythTv stores recordings as MPEG2, can I set mythtv to recompress the video files with another codec to save space?
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[21:57:56] sebastian_: check wiki, short answer: yes
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[22:01:46] jeffery: whats the best distro to get mythtv working properly.... with all the drivers and various glues which get it running right?
[22:02:19] directhex: jackliddle, there are a few
[22:02:24] directhex: mythbuntu, mythdora, knoppmyth
[22:02:42] directhex: depends whether you want a "mythtv distro" or a "distro with mythtv" really
[22:02:59] jeffery: directhex, mythdora is derived from which release of ubuntu
[22:03:29] jeffery: directhex, I have a seperate box kept aside for mythtv.. so I guess mythtv distro
[22:04:03] jeffery: the reason I ask is I can't get audio to work on either gutsy or fiesty
[22:04:35] directhex: jeffery, mythdora is based on fedora 6
[22:05:05] jeffery: lol obvious... I missed the dora part ;)
[22:07:24] Daviey: i hear mythbuntu is one of the better ones :D
[22:09:42] jeffery: Daviey, what do you use
[22:10:09] directhex: he's a mythbuntu dev in sheep's clothing
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[22:10:27] ** Daviey hides **
[22:11:29] jeffery: lol
[22:12:16] dserban: debian!
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[22:13:17] Daviey: dserban: debian stale?
[22:13:27] jeffery: lol
[22:13:36] dserban: stale? lol cute
[22:13:58] jeffery: I don't like bleeding edge though.. unless I get my audio to work :)
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[22:14:38] dserban: jeffery, generally it has nothing to do with the distro, but the kernel, current level drivers.. and how much you really want to read :)
[22:14:38] directhex: i like the clotting edge
[22:14:41] directhex: let others bleed
[22:14:56] directhex: jeffery, and forgetting to hit "m" on the analog/digital switch
[22:15:07] Dibblah: Couple of better graphs to help tuning: http://pendor.org/temp/heating-change.html
[22:15:07] dserban: :o
[22:15:16] Dibblah: Errr... Ooops. Wrong channel :)
[22:15:26] bink: how works find_meta? do i have to place video.metadata files by my self or does find_meta.py creates it?
[22:15:29] jeffery: directhex, I went through all the mixer settings .. re-compiled alsa but still no go
[22:15:55] dserban: jeffery, compile alsa?
[22:16:10] dserban: the utilities or the kernel?
[22:16:26] jeffery: dserban, the module I mean
[22:16:48] dserban: oi fun, what hardware?
[22:17:04] jeffery: according to a ubuntu forum post, several people had success.. but not me
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[22:17:41] dserban: which hardware jeffery ?
[22:17:53] jeffery: dserban, I am not at my machine now.. but I remember the Audio controller was AC97
[22:18:10] dserban: ehh :(
[22:18:17] dserban: That doesn't help as most are.
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[22:19:31] jeffery: I know.. will have to be at my mcahine to get details
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[22:28:49] jarle__: I have a strange problem with xmltv data suddenly going blank. I get like 7 days of data one day, and the one of the other days running mythfilldatabase results in no data for a day or two that used to be fille up with data... Anybody experienced similar?
[22:29:24] kormoc: specifying the source of your data tends to help in such matters
[22:30:19] jarle__: kormoc: it usually does, but wehn mythfilldatabase is run automatically each night this is not done, And I'm wondering why this happens?
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[22:30:31] directhex: he means "which xmltv grabber?"
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[22:30:43] jarle__: tv_grab_no :)
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[22:38:27] bink: jarle__: I had the same problem. And I just fixed it to reset all the symbolic links and upgrade to the last xmltv
[22:38:35] bink: like /usr/bin/tv_grab_no
[22:39:08] jarle__: bink: you using tv_grab_no also?
[22:43:01] bink: no tv_grab_nl_py
[22:44:13] Jarda: Unable to connect to the master backend at 127.0.0.1:6543.
[22:44:16] Jarda: from mythweb
[22:44:23] Jarda: and mythbackend is definitely running
[22:44:24] jarle__: bink: not sure if this is a grabber problem or a mythfilldatabase problem...
[22:45:40] bink: a new mysql mythtv user password?
[22:45:57] jarle__: Jarda: and the backend is running on the same machine as mythweb?
[22:46:22] Jarda: jarle__: yes
[22:46:42] dr_lulz: Jarda: is the port open? check via netstat
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[22:48:26] Jarda: netstat | grep 6543 gives me nothing
[22:49:07] dr_lulz: netstat -lptn
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[22:49:53] Jarda: no, nothing
[22:49:58] pklong: anyone aboot
[22:51:06] pklong: Trying to find a way to turn all the mheg crap off on myth – can it be done?
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[22:57:17] jarle__: pklong: mheg is part of EIT isn't it? Just turn of EIT scanning for a source then...
[22:59:14] pklong: problem i've got is myth has recorded a program but got the channel starts broadcasting at X time mheg page, can't get rid of the mheg over the video!
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[23:06:33] quink: i'm having some trouble that randomly seemed to start happening and was wondering if anyone could help me
[23:06:36] quink: 2007-10–29 16:06:14.842 MPEGRec(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding
[23:06:44] quink: I unload and reload the IVTV driver with no luck
[23:06:49] quink: and restarted myth
[23:07:00] quink: also get ivtv0: DMA TIMEOUT 00000001 0
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[23:08:45] Jarda: There's guide data until 2038-05–06 01:35 (11146 days).
[23:08:47] Jarda: cool
[23:10:08] pklong: bet it's all just freinds repeats
[23:10:13] jarle__: anybody using the "new" tv_grab_no_gfeed
[23:10:18] jarle__: ?
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[23:12:31] Jarda: it would be cool to watch tv via mythweb
[23:12:44] quink: Jarda: you can stream tv via VLC if you want
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[23:13:09] Jarda: quink: well, I use mythfrontend over ssh normally
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[23:13:22] quink: if anyone has some ideas regarding my issue i'll be here...
[23:13:35] Jarda: but streaming via web browser would be cool. Just like Dreambox does
[23:14:02] dr_lulz: Jarda: you can tunnel via ssh
[23:14:23] quink: Jarda: simplest thing is look into VLC streaming. its not so bad.
[23:14:55] dr_lulz: hm. in my setup, fast forwarding the stream is VERY slow. is that a known problem or specific to my setup?
[23:15:08] quink: optimusprimal.com/~quink/vlc is what i use to start the stream
[23:15:09] Jarda: well, for me tunneling mythfrontend works as well.. :)
[23:15:10] dr_lulz: using vlc on another box
[23:15:19] quink: then just open up windows media player and do mms://url:port
[23:15:20] dr_lulz: Jarda: oh, misunderstood you, sorry
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[23:15:55] quink: need to have VLC compiled with certain options so it'll do this though.
[23:15:59] quink: they are fairly obvious
[23:16:33] Jarda: but can you stream while mythtv is on?
[23:16:37] quink: sure.
[23:16:53] quink: all its doing is taking an mpg file reencoding it and sending it out through the web
[23:17:01] quink: even if myth is actively recording to that file
[23:17:14] quink: tweak what i do for your needs, ports, FPS, etc
[23:17:15] Jarda: oh, I thought you were streaming livetv
[23:17:17] Jarda: not a recording
[23:17:22] quink: well i can, sort of
[23:17:31] quink: i tell it to record the channel iwant, then i just start a stream
[23:17:38] Jarda: ok
[23:17:56] mikeones: quink: it will only show as much has been recored up till that point.
[23:18:08] no_0ne: i'm having a problems setting up Storage Group Directories – setup is ignoring my configuration
[23:18:30] no_0ne: has anyone seen this?
[23:21:57] venger: when I click on a recording in mythweb i can see its trying to pull up "myth://192.x.x.x:6543/1004_20071028220100.mpg", but i never loads anything and times out. What could it be?
[23:23:21] Jarda: is there a way of just watching tv with mythv in a resizeable window?
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[23:23:36] CanadianMan: anyone know the script that runs when you select Video Manager in MythVideo?
[23:23:36] CanadianMan: the one that looks up all the files in your video directory?
[23:23:56] Jarda: it's stupid to stop and start mythbackend all the time
[23:24:07] Jarda: so that I can watch tv with mplayer
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[23:25:12] jarle__: Jarda: you can run a frontend in a window, and then just resize the window to your liking...
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[23:26:19] Jarda: jarle__: but it's not resizeable? or do I have to resize it from the options-menu?
[23:26:48] jarle__: Jarda: That would depend on your window manager...
[23:26:55] Jarda: xfwm4
[23:30:22] jarle__: I remember having no problem doing this under KDE, giving it a go now just to make sure...
[23:30:40] no_0ne: it won't let me define a storage directory! frustrating...
[23:31:09] fryfrog: So I updated to svn head latest a few days ago and one of my frontends is saying "MythTV database has newer schema (1201) than expected (1200)
[23:31:12] fryfrog: wtf?
[23:31:28] fryfrog: they are all (be/fe) built from the same svn revision :/
[23:31:54] Jarda: jarle__: ok, so I chose to "Run mythfrontend in a window, not fullscreen" (translating from finnish). If I grab from the edge of the window, it just moves it, doesn't resize
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[23:35:14] jarle__: Jarda: I have the same thing, maybe it can't be resized then...
[23:36:22] jarle__: fryfrog: you probably have kept the old database with old schema...
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[23:36:59] fryfrog: no, look at the message
[23:37:12] fryfrog: the front end is saying that the DB is at 1201 and it expected 1200
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[23:37:37] Jarda: and so there is only the last problem last. I can't watch several channels. If I choose one of them, it just opens a radio channel
[23:37:49] Jarda: and I have rescanned my channels
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[23:39:07] jarle__: fryfrog: so the other way around then :)
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[23:55:55] ben2: hi is there a svn browser for web?
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