Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, October 26th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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tzanger:

hmm okay, how do I define "favourite" channels then?

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brockp:

how do most of you guys make videos for mythvideo available to remote frontends? NFS? Samba? Is there a way to use UPnP? please enlighten a new remote fronted user

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tank-man:

do you have any windows pcs on the lan?

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tank-man:

use samba

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bsdfox:

brockp: mythtv handles it :)

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bsdfox:

your frontend and backend will connect

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brockp:

for live tv, and recored tv, but not for all the divix and family videos in myth video

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brockp:

No, have not used windows in a few years, remote front end is mac book

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brockp:

I work in HPC no need for windows its nice ;-)

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** directhex throws gridengine at brockp **

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brockp:

hahaha

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brockp:

we stick to moab and torque

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brockp:

comm flagging on 1200 cpus?

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brockp:

Ok but back on topic

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ol_schoola:

how bout thirty million abacus?

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directhex:

moab is broken by design IME

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directhex:

it gets confused by adding 4+4+4

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brockp:

30 million DOF? never ran larger than their benchmark 7million DOF

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brockp:

and we use a altix 4700 for the big abaqus runs,

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brockp:

i like moab, but ive only used PBSPro otherwise, so i cant speak for much else

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directhex:

moab simply doesn't deal with our altix

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directhex:

we told them we weren't paying for software that couldn't count to ten. they never got back to us

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ol_schoola:

brockp: i meant 30 million asians with an abacus

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ol_schoola:

badump, crash

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brockp:

oh :-)

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directhex:

ABAQUS is painful. the distributors are dicks. and now it's gone *tender loving* HP-MPI only

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ol_schoola:

back on topic, i use samba because i got all three mixed in her, macbok, wintel, and linux course

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brockp:

yeah, looks like HP-MPI supports TM in the newest version though

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brockp:

ok, my mac is a laptop, so I think automount would be a good way to go? Any problems with this?

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ol_schoola:

i just got mine and haven't tackled that yet, but i don't use it much as a FE

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directhex:

why the hell do i need to install HP-MPI, when every other sodding ISV code in the history of forever works with any old MPICH-compatible you have installed?

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directhex:

and why is there no actual #hpc channel for discussing this shit, with more than three people, and with more activity than one ECHAN a month

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brockp:

I like HP-MPI over vender packaged MPICH,

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brockp:

We encourage our users to use OpenMPI, thats the default on our cluster,

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brockp:

I have liked it, but the largest jobs we have are SWMF only ~100 cpus

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brockp:

but our cluster also have 3 different networks right now......

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brockp:

i wish we had a hardware budget

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directhex:

we've just blown half ours on an actual machine room

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directhex:

the first proper machine room in the university!

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brockp:

I have to admit i didnt expect to find so many HPC people here

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brockp:

What school are you at? and are you a SA? grad student PI?

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** directhex drops an old sunfire 6800 on brockp **

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brockp:

trade you a origin2000

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directhex:

systems manager @ oxford

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directhex:

and we had an origin or four in the dim, distant past. long before my time

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brockp:

HPC Admin + user consultant CAC Michigan COE

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tzanger:

how does one set up favourite channels?

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kslater:

does the PVR-250 support an IR blaster?

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brockp:

to set favorite press ?

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directhex:

infact, http://hex.oucs.ox.ac.uk/~rejs/photos/oucs/oscar.jpg is a pic of the old origin

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crabapple:

is there any ways i can test capture my Hauppauge 150 card?

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brockp:

wow nice, we only had 16 cpus (1 rack) and 12GB ram

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kslater:

crabapple: cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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kslater:

then use mplayer to play it back

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crabapple:

ohk i will test

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directhex:

brockp, do you mind if we talk business tomorrow? it's past 1am, but i'm very interested in having a ready contact at a US facility

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brockp:

kslater: cat /dev/video0 | mplayer -

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brockp:

Sure im in michigan, but im open to channels outside the university

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brockp:

its 8 pm here

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crabapple:

how do i stop capturing?

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directhex:

crabapple, ctrl-c

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crabapple:

omg it works !!!!!!!!!!

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crabapple:

coool

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crabapple:

thart is pro...

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brockp:

Sure, i sent you my email, were a very small shop, you can check out our (very very crappy) website http://cac.engin.umich.edu

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brockp:

But I would also like to get contact with a contact in the UK

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directhex:

brockp, right now we have 96 xeons, 24 dual-core opterons, and 76 dual-core itanics. not exactly industrial-grade \o/

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brockp:

well were not much better off

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directhex:

though we have 256 dual-core xeons and 256 dual-core opterons in storage \o/

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brockp:

we have a altix 4700 with 32 cores,

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brockp:

1200 cores of opteron

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brockp:

and a handfull of new xeons for testing

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brockp:

we have 100 more 4 core systems on the way from IBM

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directhex:

jms@orac:~> grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo

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directhex:

152

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brockp:

but our netowrking is fubar,

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directhex:

our first new bit of kit for years

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brockp:

plus we only have 5TB of storage

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brockp:

no visulization,

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brockp:

and only 2 admins

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directhex:

608 gig of ram ^_^

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brockp:

in the itaniums?

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directhex:

in the altix

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brockp:

there the only thing that support 608 G?

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brockp:

yeah thats nice

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brockp:

were stil working on cpu set support

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brockp:

ours only has 96GB

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directhex:

pbs pro sorta did it all for us. though we had to do some tweaking to get apps to perform properly on them

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brockp:

current project is Lustre,

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directhex:

the new clusters have lustre on them. i've zero experience with it

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brockp:

yeah i have a bug open with intel with compiler issues

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brockp:

its sweeet

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brockp:

way better than PVFS2

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brockp:

and smarter

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brockp:

it doesnt just paralell data, its spreads around files

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directhex:

let MAXCPU=$NCPUS-1

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directhex:

dplace -c 0-$MAXCPU -e -x2 `echo $@`

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brockp:

when you get it check out the 'lfs getstripe' and 'lfs setstripe'

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brockp:

you cheater

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directhex:

wrap user codes around that, it should get around strange memory limitations in cpusets on intel-compiled codes

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brockp:

were trying to add cpu set support to torque

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brockp:

altir has just been a HUGE pain in the past so with only 32 cores, were just not using cpu sets right now

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brockp:

i just have a big hammer

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directhex:

not used torque properly. and certainly not on the altix.

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brockp:

lets say it works

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brockp:

but again we have moab pulling it all together

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directhex:

anyway, current project for me is a systems management tool for our new ldap server (auth etc), and we're in the early stages of writing some banking software to properly account & pre-charge users

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brockp:

though we have had lots of issues with moab, but we have a good relationship with the jackson brothers, we are moving in the direction we want, quite happy right now

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brockp:

? why not use qbank or gold?

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brockp:

I think** it will work with PBS pro

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brockp:

you can write your own, just figure why bother?

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brockp:

question did you get my email?

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directhex:

hm? no, don't think so

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directhex:

it wasn't my decision to do the banking stuff. got some links i can fire off in the appropriate directions?

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brockp:

http://www.clusterresources.com/pages/product . . . -manager.php

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brockp:

the other one is called 'qbank'

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brockp:

Im not on this channel much (second time ever) But you can find my contact information on our website

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brockp:

cac.engin.umich.edu

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brockp:

Or i guess AIM or other IM service?

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directhex:

hm? yeah, i've got jabber details, that would work

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brockp:

jabber

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brockp:

guess its time to get the google talk going

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directhex:

or msn. or icq (yay for icq)

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brockp:

ok i have msn

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brockp:

how do you want to pass the information? Ok doing it on the public channel?

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iamlindoro:

just /msg each other

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brockp:

thnx

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directhex:

i'm always happy

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directhex:

directhex@hotmail.com

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directhex:

now i really have to go to bed, it's 20 to 2

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brockp:

do that :-)

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brockp:

thanks

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** Yahooada1 just successfully recreated mythrename.pl in vb.net – LOL **

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directhex:

Yahooada1, vb.net is a sick language to use :|

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directhex:

Yahooada1, now, do it again in c#!

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** Yahooada1 faints **

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brockp:

Ok added you,

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Yahooada1:

whatever, it works :)

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Yahooada1:

and with any database type aswell :p

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Yahooada1:

well wtf

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Yahooada1:

it stopped 1/2 way thru

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Yahooada1:

"Argument 'Start' must be greater than zero."

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directhex:

oh look, pidgin crashed.

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brockp:

adium ;-)

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directhex:

right. bed. fo' realz

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brockp:

yes go

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brockp:

latter

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bulle:

ciao a tutti il canale #mythtv-users!

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Yahooada1:

god catching errors is a bitch

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Yahooada1:

sorted :)

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Yahooada1:

my code is a demonstration of terrible coding

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Yahooada1:

but what the hell :D

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Yahooada1:

and it has like a total of 0 comments :p

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bulle:

Yahooada1: please spank yourself so i dont have to! ( for not having any comments whatsoever )

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Yahooada1:

lol

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Yahooada1:

its a demo of how not to code ;) :p

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Yahooada1:

if i actually cared about the program i might improve it abit, cos atm its pretty hacked together :p

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bulle:

what does this "program" do ?

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Yahooada1:

renames mythtv recordings in windows from the db

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Yahooada1:

well from any database with the programs table in it

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bulle:

Yahooada1: you do know there is a perl script available that does that already, right ?

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bulle:

atleast was in the past

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Yahooada1:

yes i do

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bulle:

goodie

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bulle:

just thought i should point that out

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Yahooada1:

but as far as i know that works in linux

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bulle:

its perl

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Yahooada1:

and it needs the mythtv structure

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Sedorox:

has anyone seen issues using VMWare workstation, and MythTV-Frontend on the same machine?

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bulle:

Sedorox: what do you mean with "issues" ?

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Yahooada1:

dual core ?

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Yahooada1:

and is mythtv frontend on the vm or the mm

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Sedorox:

no.. linux is the host, but say vmware-workstation is running in the background, and I fire up mythtv to watch a show

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Sedorox:

and yes, dual-core (core2duo)

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Yahooada1:

it should work ...

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Sedorox:

it doesn't then display any video.. comes up green and red.. , lines and stuff but not video viewable at all

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bulle:

Sedorox: and if you stop vmware ?

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Sedorox:

if I stop vmware, it still does it.. the only way o get video back is to log out/log back in.. or otherwise restart Xorg

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Yahooada1:

maybe vmware is messing with the 3dness

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Sedorox:

opengl you mean?

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bulle:

Yahooada1: yeah, i was thinking the same, its hogging some resource xvideo or whatever uses

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bulle:

Sedorox: opengl, xvideo, whatever

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Sedorox:

as I don'yt have any of that fancy compiz stuff

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bulle:

Sedorox: tried different output options in mythfronted ?

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Sedorox:

I have a 7900GS

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Sedorox:

yes, I've tried a ton

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bulle:

can mplayer or other video players play the media ?

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Sedorox:

and I don't have opengl vertical sync on

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Sedorox:

you mean the mythtv files.. or just a video file?

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bulle:

eg, on the machine that runs vmware, with vmware running

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bulle:

the mythtv files

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bulle:

im just trying to help you find out if its a mythtv specific problem, or if other media players are affected aswell

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Sedorox:

honestly, I haven't tried that.. but the same mythtv files will work once I restart X.. I'll have to give that a try

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Sedorox:

yea.. would make sense

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Sedorox:

ok.. doesn't do it when workstation is just running.. no vm's turned on yet

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Sedorox:

and now its not doing it.. I wonder if it when vmware gets fired up first...

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Sedorox:

so figure.. now I can't reproduce the problem

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Sedorox:

I'll take notes.. see whats happening when it does it again

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adante:

hm

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adante:

i used mythfrontend to launch mplayer via mythvideo, then killed mythfrontend

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adante:

that brought down mplayer as well but some sound still seems to be stuck looping in my soundcard buffer

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my2keh:

anyone here have a plasma?

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venger:

will a schedule program overide livetv or not record because livetv has dibs on the tuner?

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Agrajag-:

it will ask you while you're watching live tv what you want to do

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venger:

Agrajag-, thanks for the heads up, haven't tested that an had a show coming up right now

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venger:

I'd like to compress of my dvd rips to save space, would I use a dvd to divx converter?

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venger:

or perhaps there is not much room for improving on space consumption other than vob blanking/authoring to remove unneeded portions?

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Agrajag-:

depends on what quality you want – converting to xvid will generally reduce the size considerably

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rcrit:

anyone know if my lowly GeForce2 256 GTS can do TwinView?

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rcrit:

I'd like the 2nd monitor to be my TV

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rcrit:

I can get the TV working as the only connected monitor

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djc__:

rcrit, are you using the nvidia settings prog?

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rcrit:

no. I'm stuck with drive 7185 which doesn't seem to have the nice configurator in it

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djc__:

hrm.. i forget which one mine has

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djc__:

one sec

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djc__:

oh. hrm.. my twinview setup seems to have gona away post-reboot, without the svid hooked up

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djc__:

one sec

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rcrit:

well, I do get what is probably a fairly obvious error message:

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rcrit:

2 display devices connected, but only 1 supported;

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djc__:

hrm

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djc__:

well.. i have (i think, it was used) a geforce 4 mx-400

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djc__:

i can try setting mine back up, and pastebin you my xorg.conf

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rcrit:

nah, I think I can live with TV only

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djc__:

well ive lready got it done

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djc__:

so im gonna pastebin it at you anyway

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djc__:

thpthp

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djc__:

http://pastebin.ca/749986

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djc__:

you know anything about myth's network recorder?

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djc__:

ah well.. im off

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rcrit:

djc__, no, sorry, thanks for the help

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venger:

if I pull up the guide while watching a recording it doesn't scale correctly. it will scale correctly while watching livetv. is there anyway to get it to scale? I assume this might be something to do with running seperate resolutions

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L0ng0n3:

What is the best HDTV Cable card on the market???

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L0ng0n3:

I want atleast 2 ports

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L0ng0n3:

anyone?

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L0ng0n3:

I have comcast as my provider...

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Dr_willis:

Sorry i dont use HDTV.

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venger:

I bounce PLAYBACK to the ";" key because it was set to P the same as PAUSE is. PAUSE is just a PLAY/PAUSE toggle. What I'm trying to do is have a button that means PLAY regardless of stat but pressing ";" doesn't bring it out of PAUSE. This is preference but to me it would see more natural if I could set things up that way. Any suggestions?

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venger:

c/bounce/bound

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L0ng0n3:

What is the best HDTV Cable card on the market???

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L0ng0n3:

I have comcast as my provider...

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venger:

ultimately i would bind the play button to such key, if possible, so play acts like play. a default lircrc I had actually mapped the Play button to Space which basically marked the current position which is of no use to me.

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venger:

L0ng0n3, I dont record HDTV but aren't you limited to ATSC and Clear QAM?

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L0ng0n3:

I have no clue....

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venger:

L0ng0n3, i'm not familar with comcast's service but my guess is that its probably encrypted

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Tanthrix:

L0ng0n3: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Digital_Cable

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Tanthrix:

You're a bit limited, unfortunately.

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Tanthrix:

Essentially, the only way to get premium HD content from comcast (stuff like Discovery HD and UHD) is from firewire output, unless you are one of the extremely rare whose digital channels are not qam encrypted

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Tanthrix:

(AND assuming youre firewire is also not encrypted)

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L0ng0n3:

I see a huge amount of channels .. payper view and everything and i only have basic cable

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Tanthrix:

If you're just looking to get the free over the air channels such as NBC/ABC/PBS any QAM card will do, with the hdhomerun being able to do two at once I think

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L0ng0n3:

I have 2 diffrent HDTV tv's

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venger:

http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm

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L0ng0n3:

A panasonic and a Hitachi

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L0ng0n3:

they both pic up many channels i think im not to get normaly

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Tanthrix:

Without any cable box or cable card?

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L0ng0n3:

yes

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Tanthrix:

Do you have any cable boxes?

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L0ng0n3:

NO

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L0ng0n3:

Basic cable

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L0ng0n3:

$13 per month and that is all

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Tanthrix:

You should only have channels 0–70 then, in analog. None of which is HD.

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L0ng0n3:

Nope

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Tanthrix:

Rather, 0–70, then the local HD channels

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L0ng0n3:

I get all the 2–1 6–1 8–1 12- 12–2 12–3 10–1 10–2 and a huge amounts of others

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L0ng0n3:

100–1 to 100–12

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Tanthrix:

Those are the local HD channels, provided to anyone with cable service since they are also provided over the air

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Tanthrix:

Not sure about 100–1 to 100–12, but it sounds like you have some digital channels being provided for free

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L0ng0n3:

the 100's to 115's are new movies on the market no joke

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L0ng0n3:

a get them all

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Tanthrix:

Anyway, considering your TV can get them that means they are unencrypted, so in theory any QAM tuner will work for you.

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L0ng0n3:

I have coax directly into my tv no boxes

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Tanthrix:

As long as you are correct that you are using nothing but your TV to tune then – no cable card, no cable boxes, just straight into the wall

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Tanthrix:

Lucky for you then!

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L0ng0n3:

I know

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Tanthrix:

HD-homerun is probably what you want since it does two channels at once.

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L0ng0n3:

do you recoment a good one

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L0ng0n3:

Is it that best

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Tanthrix:

I use the Avermedia A180 – only one channel at a time, but it's only $70

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L0ng0n3:

its HD

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L0ng0n3:

?

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Tanthrix:

Yes.

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Tanthrix:

And there really isn't good or bad when it comes to digital TV – either supported and working or not.

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Tanthrix:

One card will not give you better quality than another.

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Tanthrix:

You just want the cheapest, best supported one you can find, and from what I understand the HD-homerun is well supported, and one of the few cards that can record/watch two channels at once

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Aval0n-:

guys if I have a buddy that lives next door and I want to share my channel config with him

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Aval0n-:

how can I give him just that part of my database

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Aval0n-:

I have a pvr500 and a kworld 115 he has 2 pvr150's and a htdv wonder

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Aval0n-:

but we both have the same provider

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Aval0n-:

and i've done a lot of work that would be a lot faster if he could just import it

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venger:

Aval0n, do you mean schedule data and not channels, i dont see why he couldn't just scan the channels

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L0ng0n3:

Is there a card out there that does both??? Record normal cable and digital??

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L0ng0n3:

Will the HD-homerun?

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venger:

Aval0n-, but i'd be careful if you pulled data from something like SD because i'm sure thats against their policy

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Aval0n-:

venger I beam channels

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Aval0n-:

mean channels

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Aval0n-:

i had to manually add hd chans

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Aval0n-:

because mythtv scanner doesn't pick them up

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Aval0n-:

because there sub channels in the multiplex

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venger:

Aval0n-, run something like mysql-navigator so you can browse the tables and then span off of that and find a way to extract data from the channels table

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L0ng0n3:

Is there a card out there that does both??? Record normal cable and digital??

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Aval0n-:

I had to manually enter 5 of the chans manually

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Dr_willis:

Ive seen no cards that record from 'digital'

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Dr_willis:

guess it depends on what digital we are talking about. :)

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Tanthrix:

L0ng0n3: A lot of them can do analog, but most (if not all) do analog in a really shitty way. (Framebuffer vs. hardware encoder) so they're not worth using.

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Tanthrix:

L0ng0n3: I'm personally not aware of any that do QAM/ATSC and have an mpeg2 encoder for analog, so unless one exists the better way to go is to get a PVR-150 for regular analog cable

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Dr_willis:

My silly digital cable box just sends picture to channel 3. – makes it a bit of a bother. :(

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Aval0n-:

hmm

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venger:

Tanthrix, the hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1600 has that but no linux support

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Tanthrix:

Interesting. Any word on when support will be fourthcoming?

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Dr_willis:

Hmm...

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venger:

nope just the same ol promise that they will put a wiki entry in linuxtv.org when it does release, but thats probably a 1 year old statement from my research

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Dr_willis:

So My cable company requires me to 'rent' a cable box from them to get the 'high' channels 60+ I can record 1–60 easially enough but i have to use their box to even see the higher ones. thers tv tuner cards that can let me get away from their box eh?

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Tanthrix:

You sure you don't mean 70+?

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venger:

i actually emailed their support and he said that he could only confirm it but engineering could not give an ETA thats been a few months now

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Tanthrix:

Anyway, the reason that is the case is not just to screw you over: the 0–70 (or maybe 60 in your case) channels are provided in analog form for basic cable. Everything above is provided digitally, and hence needs a box to decode since it's almost always encrypted.

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Dr_willis:

id just like to be able to easially record the higher channels. and get away from the $5 or so rental for that darn box.

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Tanthrix:

Dr_willis: (0–70 is usually provided digitally as well)

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Tanthrix:

Dr_willis: But to answer your original question: In theory, yes. In practicality, no.

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Dr_willis:

Tanthrix, actually the darn cheap cable company here. has most of the Low channels repeted higher up :) what a rip off.

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Tanthrix:

That's weird

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Dr_willis:

Like i need 2 channels of Home shopping.

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venger:

Aval0n-, what service do you have?

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Tanthrix:

Anyway, read this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Digital_Cable& nbsp;– it will make things clear and give you your options about recording digital cable.

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L0ng0n3_:

Whats the best digital card then. Ill use the PVR-150 for normal cable tv

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Tanthrix:

I've already answered this. Avermedia A180 or Kworld 115 (same card really). If you want to be able to record/watch two digital channels at a time, get the hdhomerun.

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Tanthrix:

(Keeping in mind that the hdhomerun is an external box that connects over the network)

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Tanthrix:

As opposed to the former which are both PCI cards.

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venger:

how would i look into any HD local channels provided over the cable line if I can't scan for them?

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venger:

or nevermind i suppose that implies ATSC

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venger:

=)

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Aval0n-:

guys from the get go, when I have recorded my sd channels commercials skipping has just always worked

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Aval0n-:

but for my HD stuff it says at end

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Aval0n-:

is there something I need to change for that?

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Aval0n-:

it's not at the end of the recording btw

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adante_:

say in mythweb was there ever the ability to hide the 'advanced options' in recording?

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sinthetek:

anyone in here use mythmusic much? i'm trying to get it to sort the songs by genre or album but i only seem to be able to get them listed by 'artist'

[08:19:19]

justinh:

you can't sort by genre or album AFAIK

[08:20:50]

sinthetek:

according to the wiki it can, but it doesn't doesn't say how :\

[08:21:21]

sinthetek:

Add tracks to the current queue by pressing 'Select' to toggle the checkbox next to it's name. Entire Albums, Genres or Artists may be added in one go.

[08:21:43]

sinthetek:

i would think that's what that means anyway...

[08:21:52]

justinh:

that isn't what that means

[08:25:31]

justinh:

if your music collection isn't sorted by genres as it's stored (i.e. you sort it yourself) you can't add whole genres to playlists

[08:28:45]

justinh:

certainly can't _sort_ by anything but artist name

[08:29:01]

justinh:

if that sucks, boo hoo :)

[08:33:37]

ServerSage:

justinh: Still have that heart of gold I see.

[08:34:11]

justinh:

send all complaints to /dev/null as usual

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j2^:

Hello!

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justinh:

we tend not to use mythmusic anymore anyway. just plug the ipod into the hifi. much easier to use

[08:36:12]

justinh:

apple know a thing or two about UI design

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ServerSage:

Indeed. But I can't fit my hundreds of gigs of FLAC music on an ipod...

[08:37:09]

justinh:

but mythmusic sucks :)

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j2^:

Uhm, semi-myth-related. How big-a-deal is really pixelmapping on a LCD? How much can you tune the settings when using DVI/HDMI to make a nice match? (Yes, i realize that small icons and stuff will get a bit mangled.. but if we are just refereing to watching tv?)

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justinh:

j2^: if you scale a display anything other than 1:1 is looks SHITE

[08:38:05]

justinh:

esp LCDs

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justinh:

certainly for text & graphics, not so much for TV

[08:39:03]

ServerSage:

j2^: I can't stress the ESP LCDs enough. :)

[08:39:14]

ServerSage:

j2^: And the bigger they are, the worse it gets.

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justinh:

basically run X at the display's _native_ resolution

[08:39:41]

j2^:

Well, the native res of the panel is 1920x1080, but it does not do pixel mapping

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justinh:

no more no less. go native

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justinh:

wtf does that mean?

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ServerSage:

wtf?

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justinh:

arghh already spent too fucking long in here

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ServerSage:

I'm so confused. Why would your panel need to do pixel mapping?

[08:40:27]

ServerSage:

You scared him away.

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j2^:

Lets rephrase it. WHat i do NOT want is the problem i had with my old Sony Wega, where it was next to impossible for me to get the display to line up nicely with the physical borders of the screen.

[08:41:36]

j2^:

Then again, i am currently using a PVR-350 TV out, and i will be usign a nVidia 7300GS on my new HTCP.

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ServerSage:

Okay, if you have a 1080P TV, use the DVI out on your nvidia card. Then run it in 1080P, and be a happy, HAPPY man.

[08:42:34]

j2^:

I do nto have a TV yet :) I was planning to buy one this weekend :)

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ServerSage:

j2^: 1. Buy a DVI to HDMI cable. 2. Set X to run in 1080P. 3. Set MythTV to use a widescreen skin. 4. Smile.

[08:43:46]

j2^:

Well, the 7300GS actually have HDMI out ;)

[08:44:35]

ServerSage:

j2^: I feel the need to reach through IRC and smack you with a newspaper.

[08:44:51]

j2^:

BUT, what do i NOT get without pixelmapping then? (Yes, i do realize the moire thing, and desktop-stuff will be less-then-crystal, but this wont bother me) BUT if i have to bother with trying to modeline myway to a "nice match" i WILL go Postal :=)

[08:45:16]

ServerSage:

j2^: Then install Windows Media Center. :)

[08:45:25]

j2^:

ServerSage: i have slapped myself with a 48 page powerpoint printout ;)

[08:45:36]

j2^:

Now i feel the need to smack YOU ;)

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** directhex|work uses VGA **

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j2^:

Server: Uhm why the smacking, is HDMI out not a good thing for some reason... or do you just want my card? :P

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ServerSage:

j2^: I want your card. :)

[08:49:28]

j2^:

Hmmmm, haaaaangooon.... aparently the JVC only swallows 1080i....

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ServerSage:

And if you run in 1080P, and your set supports it native, I don't think you even need to worry about pixel mapping. Pixel mapping only comes in if you are doing overscan or conversions if I'm not mistaken...

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ServerSage:

j2^: Probably supports 720P though.

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j2^:

1080i (1125i) 50/60 Hz, 720p (750p) 50/60 Hz

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ServerSage:

j2^: Did you already buy it?

[08:51:13]

j2^:

Nope.

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ServerSage:

j2^: How much is it?

[08:51:32]

j2^:

The local MediaMarkt is having a 1 year celebration...

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directhex|work:

1080p support is very uncommon, except in the most expensive sets. at least in .uk

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j2^:

Uhm, 15.000sek, about €1600

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j2^:

its the LT-46Z70BU

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ServerSage:

directhex|work: Really? You can get a 1080P set here for about $1800 USD.

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j2^^:

ANd that is why web.based IRC-clients MAY be a bad thing :)

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ServerSage:

j2^^: I'm not sure about there, but for $2300 USD (which is 15000 sek), you can get a 1080P set here.

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directhex|work:

if you don't want a real brand, looks like you can get 1080p for £700 now

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j2^^:

Server: Well, here i can get a 42" Samsung (M8-series) for about €150 more then the JVC; and that is a pixelmapped Full-HD 1080p set.

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ServerSage:

http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-Aquos-LC46D62U-10 . . . 4&sr=8-5

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directhex|work:

toshiba's not much more tho

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directhex|work:

http://www.currys.co.uk/martprd/store/cur_pag . . . y_oid=-30633

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j2^^:

Sales Monkey said that sharp was not pixel mapped?

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ServerSage:

37" So small...

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ServerSage:

j2^^: My sharp is.

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ServerSage:

j2^^: Though, mine was significantly more expensive.

[08:56:42]

j2^^:

*shakes fist at world* STOP COMPLICATING MY LIFE!!!! :)

[08:57:36]

j2^^:

When i bought my last set it was easy: Sony Vega was the best CRT on the market. Full stop :)

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ServerSage:

I can say this is a VERY good TV (I have one in my office):

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ServerSage:

http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-Aquos-LC46D82U-10 . . . &sr=8-10

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directhex|work:

ServerSage, 37" would be a starter size for 1080p sets

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j2^^:

Yeah.. but i think it clocks at over €2k here?

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directhex|work:

ServerSage, we've had an HDTV for about 2 years, when we paid £650 ($1300) for 26" 1366x768

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j2^^:

Thats the next question.. will ym new HTCP have the oomph to drive the display (Ok ok, i admit, i am mostly watching SD)

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directhex|work:

mpeg2 or h264?

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ServerSage:

directhex|work: Yeah, I had bought a 52" that did 720P and 1080i about 4 years ago and paid through the nose.

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j2^^:

directhex: Uhm, i've got PVR-500 and that would mean MPEG2, right?

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directhex|work:

j2^^, it would mean SD mpeg2

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ServerSage:

directhex|work: And it was HUGE.

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j2^^:

Box will be a C2D/2.66, 2GB, 7300GS

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directhex|work:

j2^^, the output resolution doesn't really matter

[09:00:23]

ServerSage:

j2^^: In order to record hidef, you need to get a hidef tuner.

[09:00:31]

j2^^:

Server: YEah, i know that.

[09:00:52]

j2^^:

I just dont want the system to bog down during playback due to incresed res or something stupid as that

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directhex|work:

of course not

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directhex|work:

it'll use more memory though

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directhex|work:

video and system

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j2^^:

2GB/256MB?

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directhex|work:

should be fine

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j2^^:

well 256MB/2GB rather :)

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** ServerSage hears his xbox 360 calling his name. **

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** directhex|work throws zbombies at ServerSage **

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directhex|work:

lots of them

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directhex|work:

THOUSANDS of them!

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j2^^:

Soooo, pixel mapping might not be a huge issue?

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j2^^:

But what did you say about "conversions"?

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Andycasss:

Can i stream nsv in mythstream?

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Andycasss:

Heeh! It works

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samIam122:

hey everyone, does anyone know why I might be getting a menu when I start Mythfrontend asking me what data I want to use, but the only option is Do Not Connect to database

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Hoxzer:

wtf, I started watching live tv and suddenly _all_ my recordings get removed ...

[16:24:10]

CaptObviousman:

your system is haunted

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CaptObviousman:

you need to update your myth-antighost libraryies

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Hoxzer:

Yeah yeah,but I had like interviews and very important data there ...

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Hoxzer:

well, I can't do anything abou tit now but it pretty much sucks

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dr_lulz:

are the files deleted or only the database entries?

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Hoxzer:

dr_lulz: deleted :(

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Hoxzer:

60GB free space suddenly appeared

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Hoxzer:

http://pastebin.ca/750552 I think that is somehow related to it

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mkrufky:

That guy, Kazan, was asking about QAM support for the hvr1800 — it works now, if anybody's interested

[16:32:47]

mkrufky:

now, only analog remains unsupported (but that will be ready soon, too)

[16:33:36]

iamlindoro:

It's a PCIE card, right?

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mkrufky:

yes

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iamlindoro:

very cool... I would think of getting one (since I'm out of PCI slots) if only there was enough worth recording :)

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mkrufky:

it does ATSC / digital cable (both VSB and QAM) , that's already supported... it also does analog (raw video) AND hardware mpeg encode (cx23417)

[16:35:41]

Hoxzer:

Hmm, Images seem to have stayed but database entries are gone :/

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mkrufky:

and even better — this is a COMBO card, not hybrid... ie: you can do analog recordings AND digital recordings concurrently

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Hoxzer:

and also videos

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Hoxzer:

Yeah, shit happens .... but this was like really strange

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iamlindoro:

right, remember talking with you about it the other day... just didn't recall whether PCI/PCIE

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Hoxzer:

I just start watching liveTV and then suddenly I hear my HDD reading sound for a very long time.

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Hoxzer:

Next thing I notice that I only have one working recording :D

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Hoxzer:

*is that

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iamlindoro:

nice job on the driver... thanks for the hard work

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mkrufky:

:-) thanks for the thanks

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mkrufky:

i'd say that this is probably now THE card to get, for americans

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mkrufky:

it does everything you can dream of, on a single PCIe board

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mkrufky:

err, everything except hardware decoding

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mkrufky:

but that's what nvidia's for :-P

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iamlindoro:

yeah, seems like many people's standard setup, MPEG-2 encoder for capturing off a cable box/other input for unencrypted QAM/ATSC.... that's most of us

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mkrufky:

yes

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mkrufky:

so you can buy one of these, and free up some pci slots

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iamlindoro:

Including me :)

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mkrufky:

...or buy one and NOT free up pci slots

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iamlindoro:

I just added a secondary backend this week for just that reason

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mkrufky:

:-P

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mkrufky:

yes, im thinking of adding a secondary backend myself.....

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Cyberai:

Hey, I just installed a PCHD5000 card for digital tuning. I installed the dvb-utils, but scan keeps saying that "/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0" doesn't exist. I found it at /dev/.static/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0". There's no real option in scan to point it to that input. I'm running Ubunto fiesty. Can anyone help?

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iamlindoro:

try as I might, though, I can't seem to find more than two things on at any given time that I care about recording, ha

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mkrufky:

i want to play with the ieee1394 from the STB recordings, and also throw some mpeg encoders in there

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mkrufky:

Cyberai: sudo modprobe cx88-dvb

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mkrufky:

tada!

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iamlindoro:

yup

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iamlindoro:

cyberai, that card on feisty is pretty automagic... what are you using dvb-utils for? Myth not scanning your channels correctly?

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Cyberai:

sweeeeet, thanks mkrufky

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mkrufky:

Cyberai: you won't have that problem anymore after you upgrade to gutsy

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro: not quite

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iamlindoro:

hmm, I have one but I guess it's been so long since I set it up (under edgy) that I've forgotten any issues I had

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro: cx88-dvb and saa7134-dvb do not autoload anymore in the stock kernel included in feisty

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Cyberai:

well, MythTV doesn't scan my channels well. It gets about 10 out of my 150+ channels.

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iamlindoro:

ah, my mistake

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mkrufky:

uh-oh .. Cyberai is in for a disappointment

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iamlindoro:

haha

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iamlindoro:

encryppppted WAM

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iamlindoro:

er QAM

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mkrufky:

these "QAM" cards can only receive UNENCRYPTED digital cable, Cyberai

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GreyFoxx:

Cyberai: Could those other 140 or so be encrypted ?

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** mkrufky brb **

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iamlindoro:

yup, that's about right :)

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Cyberai:

oh trust me, I understand that situation quite well.

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iamlindoro:

I have a 180 or so channel lineup and get... ummm... 7 unencrypted?

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Cyberai:

I'm a bit of an expert in that area

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** GreyFoxx happily gets 130 or so in the clear, but only 8 I'm all that interested in and 40 of those being music **

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Cyberai:

I know that zero of my channels are encrypted. You can check them in the firmware of the STB my cable company uses. Plus I've had extensive chats with them about it

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Cyberai:

it's usually not encryption that's the issue, it's the CCI bit

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GreyFoxx:

Cyberai: Sure, if you are using firewire output

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GreyFoxx:

but not in the QAM transmission itself

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Cyberai:

but you can circumvent the CCI bit with a digital tuner card

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GreyFoxx:

CCI just tells the stb or whatever if it should pass the traffic on to another unit or not

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Cyberai:

yeppers

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GreyFoxx:

If the traffic is encrypted it's irrelevant what the CCI bit is set too

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Cyberai:

I've been talking extensively with my cable company on this. They don't use 5C at all.

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GreyFoxx:

There is more than just 5C out there :)

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Cyberai:

and you can check in the motorola 61xx boxes to see if a channel is encrypted. It's there in the channel data menu of the firmware

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BULLE:

5C ?

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mkrufky:

who is your provider, Cyberai?

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GreyFoxx:

You can try using the dvb utils scan command, see what they say

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BULLE:

5C = Conax 5 ?

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mkrufky:

I use Time Warner, and they use Scientific Atlantica boxes

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GreyFoxx:

BULLE: basically flags telling your STB if it can pass the traffic in the clear out it's inputs or not

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Cyberai:

insight communications mkrufky

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GreyFoxx:

but it's after any encryption comes into play

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mkrufky:

cool... was just curious

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BULLE:

GreyFoxx: ah, never heard of it, but im european

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Cyberai:

BULLE, actually, 5C is a set of encryption algorithms designed by the 5 biggest media companies (hence 5C). The encryption has nothing to do with whether or not your box will pass the data to another device through an output. Now there is a nasty little bugger here in the states called the "CI bit" which DOES tell a set top box whether or not you're allowed to see the content through one of the boxes outputs. it's CCI is set to anyt

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Cyberai:

hing other than 0x00, you get bupkis.

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Cyberai:

if the channel is 5C encrypted, you can see it with your STB, because it's being decrypted by the box. But you see static with MythTV because the channel is pumped out of the output ports without decryption. Usually though you see nothing because typically if a channel is set to 5C it also has the CCI bit set to 0x02 or 0x04.

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mkrufky:

gotta run

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Cyberai:

hmmm, got 108 channels with that scan, that bodes well :)

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Andycasss:

Does anyone know how to increase mythstream's cache?

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iamlindoro:

Anyone have any experience running 720p Mpeg-2 with a beefy processor but only intel graphics? Experiences/thoughts?

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bsdfox__:

iamlindoro: should work

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bsdfox__:

I've run it on a geforce4 w/out acceleration on a 3ghz core duo

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megalex:

I need help... I have a problem scheduling recordings.. when I add a slave mythbackend and then try to schedule recordings on my master backend it wont work..

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iamlindoro:

cool.... well this is only a pentium d, but it used to run HD pretty well without accel (w/ a nVidia card)

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bsdfox__:

it should be fine, 720p isn't too hard.. 1080 is :)

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iamlindoro:

but had to repurpose the card elsewhere, so I'm stuck with onboard

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megalex:

i checked the database to make sure it wasn't corrupt but the database was fine.. it just doesn't schedule any recordings..

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bsdfox__:

megalex: do you see anything in the logs?

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megalex:

nothing in the logs..

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megalex:

the insert/updates seem to run fine..

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bsdfox__:

I upgraded my mobo to a pci-e one and I don't have any extra pci-e video cards.. so I am using a pci gf4 mx440 :P it sucks

[17:16:46]

bsdfox__:

megalex: that's weird

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iamlindoro:

I have an AGP nVidia card with this board is PCIe, and I'm just not blowing any more money on my myth systems this month :)

[17:17:15]

megalex:

let me paste the update/inserts so u can see.. maybe something is wrong.. but i can't tell

[17:17:18]

iamlindoro:

I already dropped like $1500 on my new primary backend this month

[17:18:02]

bsdfox__:

ouch

[17:18:55]

am_dragon:

hello. I have stupid question, maybe just need advice.

[17:19:52]

am_dragon:

I have 1 mythbox w/ 1 500GB hd, the mythbuntu install tells you to format your storage area to /var/lib. what if you want to reload and keep your recordings?

[17:20:54]

am_dragon:

should I just reload the machine and leave that partition as is. install the OS on one partiton, then mount the media partiton?

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iamlindoro:

well, theoretically /var/lib would be a partition on its own, and you would only reformat the other partitions

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bsdfox__:

eh?

[17:21:07]

bsdfox__:

yes

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bsdfox__:

that's a weird place to store video files though :P

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am_dragon:

well when I reload it says /var/lib needs to be formatted.

[17:21:48]

am_dragon:

well being a first timer I figured the knw what they were doing.

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bsdfox__:

and this is why I don't use those prepackaged myth distros :P

[17:22:16]

am_dragon:

what do you use?

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bsdfox__:

there has to be a way to get around that.. I mean you shouldn't even need /var/lib to be its own partition

[17:22:47]

bsdfox__:

I just run gentoo

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am_dragon:

lol

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am_dragon:

I wanted it running this week :p

[17:23:18]

am_dragon:

I've built gentoo boxes.

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am_dragon:

Gentoo is cool, and I'm sure the best way to go for a box that is dedicated to 1 thing.

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am_dragon:

we had an old laptop in the office with a broken screen, we installed gentoo and streamed music off that thing for 3 years before the hd died.

[17:28:32]

megalex:

is this OK ?? MSqlQuery: INSERT INTO record (recordid) VALUES (0);

[17:29:05]

megalex:

it happens whenever i try to schedule a recording...

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am_dragon:

so should I just reinstal to the main OS partiton and just leave the big partition alone, then mount it one the os is up and running?

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megalex:

then i get:

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megalex:

SELECT * FROM record WHERE recordid = 12;

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megalex:

UPDATE record SET recordid = 12, chanid = '1003' WHERE recordid = 12;

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am_dragon:

Will the new myth install pickup the old recordings.

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am_dragon:

no the data's in the database.. duh

[17:32:59]

am_dragon:

I also have a problem with my xserver. It won't set my projector to 1280x720. It says no vaid modes setting VGA 640x480

[17:33:10]

am_dragon:

I've used "UseEDID" "FALSE"

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am_dragon:

any other suggestions?

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bsdfox__:

you should backup the database first

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am_dragon:

then import it to the new install, great idea :)

[17:35:53]

am_dragon:

I don't suppose there is a tool for that, am I just going to have to write the sql to export, import?

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am_dragon:

?

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tyce:

is there a loose schedule for .21's release?

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am_dragon:

brb

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GreyFoxx:

tyce: Nope

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GreyFoxx:

not really

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jarle:

am_dragon_: use mysqldump for backup..

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directhex:

am_dragon_, you'll need to set a modeline too i expect

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directhex:

am_dragon_, and horiz/vert sync

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am_dragon_:

i've set the modeline as per the MythTV wiki

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am_dragon_:

for my projector

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am_dragon_:

It's like it still check for the EDID info, because it's not getting any it defaults to vga

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am_dragon_:

now if I plug in a monitor it goes right to 1280x720.

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directhex:

what's the video card?

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am_dragon_:

onboard Nvidia 6150

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am_dragon_:

binary drivers

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directhex:

you set correct horizsync/vertrefresh?

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siXy:

am_dragon_: do you see the nvidia-auto-settings-detect thingy in your xorg log?

[17:59:01]

am_dragon_:

as far as I know yes, here is my modeline

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am_dragon_:

Modeline "1280x720@60" 74.160 1280 1352 1392 1648 720 725 730 750 -hsync -vsync

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am_dragon_:

sixy yes it says nvidia-auto-setting in the log, it either says no modes found, then sets it to VGA or that sets it to vga

[18:01:00]

siXy:

am_dragon_: yeah that nvidia-auto-settings thingy is a complete bitch. it nearly made juski explode one day.

[18:01:55]

siXy:

there is a way to turn it off, but that didnt work for me. still if you read the readme of the drive it lists the options you need to turn it off – its worth a go at least

[18:02:40]

am_dragon_:

well I turned off the failsafe in Xsessions I figured that would help.

[18:03:06]

am_dragon_:

I'll check that thanks.

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am_dragon_:

I guess I need to look up the horizsync and vertrefresh too.

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Andycasss:

Does anyone know how to increase mythstream's cache?

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am_dragon_:

ok there are horizontal and vertical frequencies in the manual do those convert to horizsync and vertrefresh?

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Andycasss:

Is there a way to swap the mplayer to vlc in mythstream/mythvideo?

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am_dragon_:

So I guess it's totally normal for a mythTV box to take a couple weeks to set up.

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am_dragon_:

andycass, yes there are a couple of ways.

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am_dragon_:

you can do it by the file extention if you have like .mkv that needs vlc

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am_dragon_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythVideo

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am_dragon_:

there, that's a good guide.

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siXy:

am_dragon_: a number of weeks to set up a myth box??!!

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am_dragon_:

:)

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siXy:

thats a long long time :)

[18:33:12]

bsdfox_:

I've been setting mine up for 6 months :P

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mkrufky:

maybe he was including the time it takes to fill up the hard drive with content worth watching

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am_dragon_:

OK today is a week, I've reinstalled 4 times

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mkrufky:

:-P

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Andycasss:

What config should i use for vlc? (ie. mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s)

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siXy:

mkrufky: thats pretty much impossible :)

[18:34:10]

mkrufky:

hehehe

[18:34:36]

mkrufky:

true... i have 3 TB worth of recordings, and i dont feel like watching any of it

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siXy:

Andycasss: theres a vlc page on the wiki with suggested settings

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am_dragon_:

NTSC on my Kworld 115 not working, Cant set correct resolution for my projector, ac3 audio on dvd's choppy, and I haven't even started with LIRC

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dr_lulz:

mkrufky: sounds familiar.. but i managed to watch/delete about 100gig of recordings once when i was sick and lying in bed ;P

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siXy:

3TB is a lot of recordings :O

[18:35:56]

mkrufky:

its true

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mkrufky:

it's too bad you cant just erase it all in one shot..... you have to delete each recording one-by-one in the mythfrontend or mythweb interface

[18:36:35]

siXy:

do you have a wife/partner who is a soap fanatic or do you just prefer to record everything that is on, just in case?

[18:36:48]

mkrufky:

if you rm *.* without deleting the db entry, mythtbv gets mad

[18:36:51]

mkrufky:

haha

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mkrufky:

i record everything thats on, just in case

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mkrufky:

and im not kidding

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am_dragon_:

I know how to kill all of it at once I've done it 4 times this week.

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mkrufky:

i figure, i have the hardware, why not use it?

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Andycasss:

Sixy: Could you give me a link for the wiki article? I cant seem to find it

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mkrufky:

its handy to have this stuff recorded, and a mythfrontend in every room of the house

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am_dragon_:

type VLC in the myth wiki search.

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mkrufky:

perfect for entertaining company

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siXy:

Andycasss: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/VLC

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siXy:

mkrufky: ah yeah thats a good point

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siXy:

i pretty much automatically record all worthwhile films for that reason

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mkrufky:

its also nice to be able to refer back to old episodes of LOST and / or HEROES to prove theories

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mkrufky:

heheh especially nice when every episode of every season is sitting on my backend

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siXy:

lol!

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** siXy makes a note never to debate lost or heroes with mkrufky **

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mkrufky:

archival purposes only... cough cough

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siXy:

:)

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am_dragon_:

how do most people record from Dish or DTV? Video in and set the box to that channel and use the listings in mythTV?

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xand:

using a DVB card

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xand:

assuming DTV == digital TV

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am_dragon_:

no direct tv sorry

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xand:

oh, don't know what that is :)

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am_dragon_:

satellite

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mkrufky:

depends... does directtv have OTA content?

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mkrufky:

if so, you can use a DVB-S card

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mkrufky:

otherwise, you can use the svideo input of an analog mpeg encoder card

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am_dragon_:

that's the way I set mine up. I just can't get analog to work under mythtv. Works great with Mplayer.

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Andycasss:

Is there a way to set different player for mythstream too?

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mkrufky:

am_dragon_: no, kworld115 is not an analog mpeg encoder card

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mkrufky:

am_dragon_: am_dragon_: kworld115 is an atsc + raw framegrabber

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am_dragon__:

my machine is fast enough.

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mkrufky:

it will suck for analog recordings

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am_dragon__:

really.

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mkrufky:

fast enough to encode crappy video, sure

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mkrufky:

;-)

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mkrufky:

something like a pvr150 is much better suited for that usage

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mkrufky:

(or a pvr500, which is 2 pvr150's on a single board)

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am_dragon__:

athlon 64 4200+ x2, 2gb ram and the nvidia card isn't that good enough?

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mkrufky:

i said it's good enough

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mkrufky:

...to encode crappy video

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mkrufky:

i guess it depends on the quality you're looking for... if you absolutely are stuck with analog video, you're much better off using a hardware encoder

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am_dragon__:

I didn't want to bother with an analog card, we only have dish for a couple more months.

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am_dragon__:

then ABC is the only local that's not HD.

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Hoxzer:

how normal is it if like 80% of streams in default mythstream setup don't work ?

[18:55:22]

GreyFoxx:

maybe it's an old list ?

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GreyFoxx:

is mythstream actively maintained by anyone ?

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Hoxzer:

Nope I dont think so

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am_dragon__:

lots of changes on internet radio because of the new laws.

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psymin:

I wonder if I could get the PS3 bluetooth DVD remote product to work for changing mythtv channels . . *ponder*

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[miles]:

evening

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[miles]:

guys, anyone having problems with svn build's backend not binding to the ports for listening?

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GreyFoxx:

What do you see in the backends output? If it's failing to bind it should give an error. With the backend not running do a netstat -antu| grep 6543 to see if maybe another backend is running and already bound to the port

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GreyFoxx:

failing that run mythtv-setup and verify the IP set there for what IP the backend is support to bind to

[19:03:49]

GreyFoxx:

I've seen users who have thei backends set to DHCP (ugh) and the IP of the interface changed which meant the backend couldn't find to the IP/port specified in the database

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[miles]:

GreyFoxx, yeah it's starting after a minute or so

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[miles]:

GreyFoxx, now netstat shows it

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GreyFoxx:

took a minute to get that far? Wow

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GreyFoxx:

You could try mythbackend -v all -l moo.log

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[miles]:

GreyFoxx, but I'm still unfortuantly having the same issue that my LNB switch does not work

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GreyFoxx:

see if you can where it's the big delay is

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[miles]:

GreyFoxx, 4 days trying...

[19:06:27]

GreyFoxx:

That I can't help with, my only dish is in a box right now, and only a single lnb :)

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[miles]:

GreyFoxx, thats the killer problem for me... it refuses to switch :-(

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GreyFoxx:

Have you tried on the mythtv-users list? There are a lot of guys using complicated sat setups would could likely help

[19:07:24]

[miles]:

wow, it says "You should have gotten a channel lock by now. You can continue to wait for a signal..."

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GreyFoxx:

mostly in Europe

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[miles]:

yeah, I will check

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[miles]:

GreyFoxx, the real pain is that kaffeine's DVB "just works"

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[miles]:

no idea what the developer is doing different, have not looked at his code... but I know for sure it works perfectly with 1 x switch with 3 sats connected

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GreyFoxx:

Can't really comment on that as I've never seen Kaffeine other than by name in here :)

[19:08:56]

GreyFoxx:

But if it's doing something more intelligent than we or (or better defaults maybe) it would be useful

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jarle:

[miles]: You have configured the same type of switch in both kaffeine and mythtv then?

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** GreyFoxx heads home early **

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[miles]:

;)

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[miles]:

GreyFoxx, the backend would control the disqec yeah?

[19:10:01]

[miles]:

GreyFoxx, I might have a sniffter around the code

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[miles]:

jarle, yeah, exactly the same

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[miles]:

jarle, Kaffeine I just select 3 x lnb's, 1º: Astra 28,2 2º: Hotbird 3º: Astra 19,2

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[miles]:

jarle, scan the channels, and disco, it works

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[miles]:

brb, just going for a smoke

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megalex:

I cant schedule recordings please help.. i have this same issue http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /173164.html

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megalex:

This only happens as soon as i add a new slave backend

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megalex:

any time i try to schedule a recording is like nothing happens even though it enters the data in the recording table when i pull up upcoming recordings there is nothing

[19:23:06]

[miles]:

back

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[miles]:

jarle, you got a dvb-s setup?

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megalex:

is there a howto on adding a slave backend i might have missed something? i just ran mythtv-setup on the slave and gave it the IP of the master backend..

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ol_schoola:

Wiki question: How do I see which templates are accessible at the mythwiki, specifically a notice box or caution. I found warning box in an article but don't know how to globally browse the templates available at the myth wiki

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** ol_schoola will brb **

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ol_schoola:

nvr mind, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=Sp . . . namespace=10

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[miles]:

erm, am I going crazy or must I change the input when I have disqec

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[miles]:

?

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[miles]:

OMFG

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[miles]:

ok, is there no automatic changing of the dvb switch input?

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Andycasss:

Is there a way to increase mythstream buffer?

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Andycasss:

It runs a bit sluggishly on some streams (but same streams run fine in my win pc)...

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gbee:

[miles]: describe briefly what you are doing to change channels across inputs, i.e. what isn't working

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[miles]:

gbee, ok

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[miles]:

gbee, the configuration that works, is setting up 1 x Switch, with 3 x LNB's (all on same freq.) 1º Astra 28,2 (BSKYB), 2º Hotbird, 3º Astra 19,2

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[miles]:

gbee, now, I've created 3 x inputs

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gbee:

[miles]: inputs should only share a 'videosource' (listings source) if they are for the same source e.g.same satellite, same cable etc

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[miles]:

gbee, ok, so say I create a videosource "Sat TV" ... I put all my channel scans there then yeah?

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gbee:

the videosource is how mythtv knows that the channel you are trying to tune is available on inputs X,Y but not Z

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gbee:

[miles]: I'm assuming that the three satellites carry different sets of channels, in which case they should be connected to three different videosources

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[miles]:

mmm ok

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[miles]:

just looking at the config

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[miles]:

gbee, atm, there is only 1 x source ... all channels go there

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[miles]:

I'll fix this now

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gbee:

in my case I've two DVB-T cards receiving the same signal so they are connected to a videosource I've called Freeview (name of our digtal OTA service), the third card recieves it's channels from BSKYB and it's connected to a seperate videosource I've called Sky

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[miles]:

gbee, ok... so when you look at all your complete channel listing... it shows everything from all sources, and when you select a channel, it automatically changes the input yeah?

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gbee:

yes

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[miles]:

ok

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[miles]:

gbee, I'll try again

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[miles]:

gbee, :)

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[miles]:

gbee, really appreciate the help btw... i'm now into day 4 of mythtv-config-hell :)

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gbee:

[miles]: the complete channel listing == the guide? We don't show all channels in 'Browse mode' (the OSD programme browser) since you get into some very sticky questions about whether the input is in use, but the programme guide grid will show all channels whether they are currently available or not

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[miles]:

gbee, right while it scans bskyb .. I'll go let the dog take me for a walk

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[miles]:

gbee, will you be online still in 30 mins ?

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gbee:

[miles]: yeah

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[miles]:

gbee, ok.,.. just go walk the beast... ciao

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megalex:

I cant get mythtv to work with a slave backend... scheduling recordings stops working.. I think it might be a bug..

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directhex:

megalex, check your hostnames, that was causing someone issues yesterday

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directhex:

megalex, and that means check the hostnames in the card section of the database

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megalex:

directhex, ok.. let me check..

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megalex:

directhex, hostnames are perfect in the capturecards table.. i have /etc/hosts entries for both the backend and the slave backend on both machines and they ping fine..

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Andycasss:

Is anyone using mythstream? Are there any decent live streams?

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megalex:

i don't know whats wrong i've gone over all the configs multiple times everything seems right.. as soon as i try to add the slave backend my master server stops allowing me to schedule.. well it does schedule it because its in the database but nothing shows up in the upcoming recordings..

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[miles]:

jesus, the barcelona weather is wonderful this evening.... pissing it down :-|

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[miles]:

gbee, ok, got it scanning in hotbird now... seems to have locked ok and parsing the channel.conf import

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Knopit:

Does anyone know why my HD3000 "tuner #" would change in dmesg?

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Patina:

Does a PVR-350 have two tuners?

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jams:

it has on e tuner

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Knopit:

PVR-500 has two

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Patina:

jams: Only one! At that price?

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megalex:

can anyone give me a hint of what else i could look for? anyone running the latest mythtv with multiple backends in opensuse?

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siXy:

Patina: unless you have a very very specific reason, steer clear of the pvr-350

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directhex:

Patina, the 350 is obsolete, expensive tech

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Patina:

Thanks for the advise, I will only touch the 350 to kick it bare where it came from. ;-)

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Knopit:

when dmesg reads "tuner 0–0043: chip found @ 0x86 (cx88[0])" no signal is captured.

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mikeones:

anyone choose iSCSI over NFS for storage?

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gbee:

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Knopit:

When dmesg reads "tuner 2–0043: chip found @ 0x86 (cx88[0])" al is good

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directhex:

gah. goddamn it i hate ZMD

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gbee:

Knopit: if you can find anyone alive, you might try asking in #linuxtv

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Knopit:

gbee: thanks — so far no luck at linuxquestions or mythTV-users. #linuxtv here I come.

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bsdfox_:

mikeones: I'm gonna move over to iscsi soon

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[miles]:

gbee, you would'nt happen to know about the deinterlacing would you please?

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gbee:

[miles]: not an expert, depends on the question

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[miles]:

gbee, btw, your in UK yeah...

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[miles]:

?

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[miles]:

gbee, cos I actually use Sky News to see if the deinterlacing is working best, cos of the news ticker on the bottom of the screen

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gbee:

[miles]: I'm in the UK yeah

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[miles]:

gbee, my kaffine config shows in it's rc file Config String=tvtime:method=Greedy2Frame,enabled=1,pulldown=vektor,framerate_mode=full, judder_correction=1,use_progressive_frame_flag=1,chroma_filter=1,cheap_mode=0

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[miles]:

gbee, and that gave me totally perfect smooth display

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[miles]:

gbee, the ticker has no judder etc... typeface etc is crystal clear... would that string work also in Myth do you know?

[21:16:45]

t0ny-p40:

I'm compiling a kernel and I dont see all the driver options for v4l. What else do I need to enable?

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gbee:

[miles]: no, but you can chose from a range of deinterlacers and see which one works best, you can also specify custom filters (but I know _nothing_ about the filters bit)

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[miles]:

t0ny-p40, I run a vanilla kernel (2.6.23.1), and all dvb is working

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gbee:

[miles]: look under playback settings for the deinterlacing settings – someone else might be able to recommend which deinterlacer you should use

[21:18:57]

[miles]:

gbee, ok... I've just got all 3 dishes imported... truth time

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gbee:

personally I've not seen the need for a deinterlacer on my laptop frontend and I just use bob 2x on my TV connected frontend

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** [miles] crosses every part of his body he can cross **

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[miles]:

gbee, one thing, all my channel names get cut in the program guide... can this be tweaked??? I only see partial names

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gbee:

[miles]: depends on the theme and font size – you can change both in the appearance settings

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[miles]:

gbee, got default theme I think

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gbee:

[miles]: is it a widescreen monitor/tv? the widescreen themes which end with -wide tend to better use the available space, but what works for someone at their resolution and font size doesn't work for others, the only way to really fix it if you can't live with a smaller font or different theme is to edit the theme

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gbee:

themes are xml and so easy to change

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gbee:

[miles]: I should point out that only two themes are provided with the core mythtv packages, but some more are offered in a myththemes pack

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gbee:

IMHO the best themes are all third party, www.mythtvthemes.co.uk or http://home.comcast.net/~zdzisekg/download.html

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[miles]:

gbee, yeah

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[miles]:

gbee, I'll get em now

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[miles]:

any particular one you recommend?

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gbee:

[miles]: I personally love blootube-wide but it uses a little more memory than others because it uses some large images

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gbee:

Mepo-wide is very polished and cute if you like that thing

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gbee:

the new theme by the creator of blootube-wide is great because it allows users to chose their own background (all the buttons/text areas are tinted glass), but it isn't quite ready yet – http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/glasswide.shtml

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gbee:

I'd also recommend grabbing bluetube-osd, it's an OSD theme

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gbee:

the core OSDs all suck

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[miles]:

downloading it now

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siXy:

gbee: glasswide looks a fantastic idea

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gbee:

I'm working on a new theme right now, but it probably won't be finished for at least three/four weeks

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siXy:

gbee: whats the concept? or are you not ready to share?

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[miles]:

bbiam, sm0k3

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gbee:

siXy: at the risk of someone copying all the ideas I'll post a screenshot in a minute, I just need to sort out a commit first

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offset:

is it possible to use the mythtv volume control but not have it reset to the default volume every time I watch either livetv or a recorded show?

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siXy:

gbee: fantastic – thanks :)

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gbee:

offset: it shouldn't reset each time, the value is saved to the database when you leave playback

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gbee:

siXy: what size screen do you have? I can offer a full size screenshot (1280x720) or a half-size one

[22:08:45]

gbee:

the big one obviously looks better, but if you are using an 800x600 resolution then you can only see half the screen at a time ;)

[22:08:52]

gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/theme_fullscreen16.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/theme_fullscreen16_small.png

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siXy:

gbee: uh 1600x1200 i think

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gbee:

siXy: heh, ok

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siXy:

gbee: oooh nice :D

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offset:

gbee: it resets to the default volume every time I start playback, maybe its because i'm using myth from svn? But it's been happening for a long time now.

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siXy:

can i request a music player on the line of neon-wide? it looks sooo mcuh better

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gbee:

offset: shouldn't happen like that and I use svn too

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gbee:

the mix of icons colours may or may not appear in the final version – it originally started out like that just because I couldn't decide between the two colours, but I'm starting to like having both

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gbee:

siXy: I hope to do better that neon-wide, or bluetube-wide which when I last looked was even better

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gbee:

but we'll see what I come up with, I've got a small advantage over juski because I know the UI code

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siXy:

gbee: yeah i can see that helping some :)

[22:12:54]

gbee:

this all started because I drew a couple of images to demonstrate an idea for glass-wide to Justin

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gbee:

although we agreed on the basic idea he wanted to create his own images and I liked mine enough that I didn't want to waste them

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[miles]:

gbee, yep, nice theme!

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[miles]:

gbee, you running svn version btw... cos I can't for the life of me find the deinterlacing options

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siXy:

[miles]: tv playback

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gbee:

[miles]: ahh, heh, in the very latest svn they are kinda hidden by a poor UI change – it will be changed before 0.21 is released but you've just been unlikely to start using svn at this point

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siXy:

oh fair enough :)

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[miles]:

gbee, so it's hidden, or not there at all? ;)

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gbee:

third page of tv playback settings, select to edit one of the profiles (the profile that will be used depends on your resolution) and it's down the page within the profile settings

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[miles]:

ok I go look brb

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gbee:

the profile stuff is new and the interface for setting up and editing profiles needs a lot of work

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gbee:

the underlying idea to the playback profiles is good though, you can specify different de-interlacers, filters, decoders and rendering methods for different video types

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directhex:

zomg! i managed to update suse!

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directhex:

wonder if it still boots

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[miles]:

mmmm god myth is vast

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GreyFoxx:

man, this suspend to ram/hibernation stuff is pretty sweet

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** GreyFoxx wonders how much he'll break using this hehe **

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[miles]:

my monitors in 1440x1024 (iirc) ... does myth change the size?

[22:25:44]

GreyFoxx:

[miles]: If compiled with xrandr support, and if configured to do so it can change the res for playback

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[miles]:

sorry for all the gay questons... it's just cos I've been using kaffeine... (which is by no means as complete as myth for sure), I'm a little overwhelmed by myth

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[miles]:

gbee, I'm watching Jonathan Ross yeah, and it looks magnified ... pixelated etc

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, do i try remotely rebooting an 8-core itanium machine at 11:30pm on a friday night?

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GreyFoxx:

directhex: that depends on the following "Does it have to be done now?" and "Is someone physically nearby?" :)

[22:28:09]

gbee:

[miles]: mythtv suffers a little because of it's size and relatively small team of developers, we're slowly improving setup and usability but it's taking time to get where we'd like to be

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offset:

gbee: your right, it was saving and restoring the PCM volume, but it keeps changing the MASTER volume to the default

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directhex:

no and no!

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directhex:

i'm just bored!

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offset:

gbee: the only reason I like keeping the master volume low ( and changing it independently of myth ) is so I don't blow my ears out when I'm using headphones

[22:31:47]

offset:

gbee: would it be possible to have myth leave the master volume alone, or at least only change it once when i start the frontend?

[22:32:58]

gbee:

offset: if you want the master volume kept low, then just set the default master volume low?

[22:34:22]

offset:

gbee: thats what i do now, but when i use speakers the master volume needs to be higher, and myth keeps knocking it down every time i start playback

[22:36:11]

offset:

if myth would just leave the master volume alone it would solve my problem

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offset:

but i would still like to have the on screen volume controls

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gbee:

can't be done without code modification, it's a simple patch, but not one I'm inclined to write right now

[22:39:05]

gbee:

if it were me, I'd just invest in a pair of headphones with an inline volume control

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gbee:

can't be more helpful than that tonight, it's been a long day and I've started on a new bottle of JD

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offset:

gbee: I was afraid that's what it would end up being. I'm sure there is a reason for changing the volume every time playback starts, it just seems better to do it once when the front end starts too me..

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offset:

gbee: thanks for your help

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gbee:

offset: most mythtv installs are on dedicated frontends, so if something other application should mess with the volume then the only way to get the master volume back to correct levels for Mythtv is to ssh into it or haul a keyboard into the living room

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gbee:

heh, more tired than I realised

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offset:

that makes perfect sense..

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offset:

hmmm.. i think i just came up with a really hacky solution.. I just have to update the database when i change the master volume from lirc, then reset it in my frontend launching script.

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[miles]:

mmm I'm really fighting to get a sharp clear dvb-s image

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