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Thursday, October 25th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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mzb_d800:

like: "better" but tv-out doesn't work? (maybe?)

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johnadsfsdfdf:

tvout does work... i just dont know how to configure it

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johnadsfsdfdf:

i can see the output on the tv

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johnadsfsdfdf:

but the screen is bigger than the tv

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johnadsfsdfdf:

ive got opengl working too

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mzb_d800:

that sounds like overscan

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Kazan:

mzb_d800: tv out always worked with binary for me

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mzb_d800:

normally something you want

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Kazan:

and i got acceleration

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mzb_d800:

I don't have radeon, so can't comment

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Kazan:

accelerated opengl out of the oss driver? since when

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johnadsfsdfdf:

whats happening is the svideo is mirroring vga, and vga is at higher than 800x600 so its cutting it off

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Kazan:

i don't have a radeon in my mythbox because i need xvmc... but i have had radeons in my gaming rigs for years now.. because they were always better hardware until the dx10 gen

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Kazan:

plus i have a lot of professional ethical issues with nvidia

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** Kazan growls about his stinking pvr-500 **

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mzb_d800:

you need something analogous to nvidia's metamodes

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mzb_d800:

(in clone mode)

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johnadsfsdfdf:

Kazan: I got accelerated opengl working with the oss radeon driver, it worked farily easily... just had to remove the binary driver

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mzb_d800:

or are you running two separate screens?

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johnadsfsdfdf:

well for the install i used a vga monitor... now im putting it in my living room and just want the svideo

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Kazan:

since when did the oss driver have the ability to accelerate opengl

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mzb_d800:

so this is a mute point, as you'll be going to "single output" anyway

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johnadsfsdfdf:

i want single output with the svideo... but wehn i boot with just the svideo i dont get into X

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johnadsfsdfdf:

i see all the bios stuff, then i see services start then it cant start X

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mzb_d800:

because the svideo(TV) connection is not detected?

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mzb_d800:

err

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mzb_d800:

my bad

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johnadsfsdfdf:

well the svideo is "detected" i see the linux boot screens and such

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johnadsfsdfdf:

but its not configured correctly with X im guessing... but i dont really know hwo to do it correctly

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mzb_d800:

because you haven't told X that the TV device exists

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johnadsfsdfdf:

ive been googling and not figured it out

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mzb_d800:

ok, maybe the TV encoder is only capable of 800x600?

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mzb_d800:

I assume CRT is 1024x768?

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mzb_d800:

you can do a simple test for sanity: switch to 800x600 on the crt

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johnadsfsdfdf:

i think its bigger than that... but

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johnadsfsdfdf:

i did that

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johnadsfsdfdf:

i was at 800x600 on the crt

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mzb_d800:

right

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mzb_d800:

and

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johnadsfsdfdf:

but when i tried to run xrandr commands to get the svideo on the tv, it didnt work

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johnadsfsdfdf:

it said... svideo not detected

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johnadsfsdfdf:

or something to that effect, if you'd like i can get the exact error message

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johnadsfsdfdf:

(its in the living room)

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mzb_d800:

when all you changed was the res? Sounds odd. Have you rechecked that now?

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johnadsfsdfdf:

ill go do it, brb

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mzb_d800:

ie. retried it

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johnadsfsdfdf:

cannot find mode 800x600

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johnadsfsdfdf:

i set the vga to 800x600

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johnadsfsdfdf:

then did xrandr --addmode S-video 800x600

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johnadsfsdfdf:

and i get that error

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johnadsfsdfdf:

but when i leave the default vga res, it works

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johnadsfsdfdf:

and i see a clone of my desktop on the tv, although just the first 800x600 pixels

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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mzb_d800:

need to read the docs for the driver you're using

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mzb_d800:

tried the basics? :

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mzb_d800:

Option "MonitorLayout" "AUTO, NONE"

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mzb_d800:

Option "TVOutput" "PAL"

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mzb_d800:

(or similar)

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Yahooadam:

Right

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Yahooadam:

Finally

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johnadsfsdfdf:

to tell you the truth, i really dont know too much about configuring xorg

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mzb_d800:

man radeon

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johnadsfsdfdf:

thx

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mzb_d800:

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Additional_opti . . . adeon_driver

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mzb_d800:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_TV-Out#ATI-opensource-driver

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Yahooadam:

oh ffs

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Yahooadam:

note to self, dont issue /etc/init.d/networking restart from a ssh client

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fryfrog:

do it from a screen session, via ssh

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fryfrog:

and you'll be okay

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Yahooadam:

i should have lol

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Yahooadam:

it ended freezing the restart or somthing

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Yahooadam:

so even though i did it locally, it then messed that up

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Yahooadam:

damn annoying

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Yahooadam:

and and it froze my outbount ssh session, so now the bind address's are in use >_<

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fryfrog:

weboot?

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Yahooadam:

its probably faster lol

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johnadsfsdfdf:

mzb_d800: should TVOutput be set to PAL?

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johnadsfsdfdf:

or NTSC

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mzb_d800:

depends what you've got

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mzb_d800:

where are you?

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johnadsfsdfdf:

New York, USA

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mzb_d800:

it'll be NTSC then

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johnadsfsdfdf:

i thought so, where are you?

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mzb_d800:

tas.au

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johnadsfsdfdf:

oh cool, thanks im goign to go try some of this stuff you sent me

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mzb_d800:

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&hl=en& . . . ddr&om=1

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Kazan:

think i found the problem with my recording

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Kazan:

needs to be a BIG FAT WARNING "if you capture VBI with hauppauge cards – BE USING THEIR NATIVE RESOLUTION"

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Yahooadam:

ok

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Yahooadam:

so after all that

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Yahooadam:

how do i tell it to transcode a program from the frontend

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Yahooadam:

nvm

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

you know the little preview mythtv shows

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Yahooadam:

it was streaming that over the internet

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** Kazan boggles at yum **

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** Yahooadam hates yum **

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Kazan:

this is the only time i've had problems with it

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Yahooadam:

i dunno, beats installing packages manually

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Yahooadam:

but apt is so much better

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Kazan:

it keeps trying to add gecko-libs due to dependancies.. that package doesn't exist.. the packages trying to include it devhelp and yelp are already installed

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Kazan:

i wonder if it was caused by having atrpms enabled at one point

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Kazan:

atrpms is a dangerous repo to enable

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Kazan:

nope that wasn't it

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

weird

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Yahooadam:

ive told mythtv it can run 2 users jobs at once

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Yahooadam:

but it wont

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Yahooadam:

nvm

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mzb_d800:

how many frontends + backends do you have?

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mzb_d800:

s/+/&

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Yahooadam:

it did start running the second job, it just took a while to get to it

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mzb_d800:

iirc there's a setting that determines how often it will check

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Yahooadam:

"Transcode failed with status: 139"

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** Yahooadam cries **

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Kazan:

removing the bad packages fixed it

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mzb_d800:

do you have shared storage between your backends?

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Yahooadam:

nope

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Yahooadam:

i only have 1 backend

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Yahooadam:

and the storage is local

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mzb_d800:

hmm, google for status

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Yahooadam:

can i copy a frame from near the end of a file and put it in another file

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Yahooadam:

i did, there wasnt anything useful

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Yahooadam:

just – http://readthefuckingmanual.net/error/694/

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mzb_d800:

;)

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mzb_d800:

upgrading firefox atm, so can't help

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Yahooadam:

backend log – "2007-10–25 01:51:58.388 Copying Audio while transcoding Video

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Yahooadam:

Segmentation fault"

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johnadsfsdfdf:

mzb_d800: I came up with a bit of a hack, i just set mythtv to be 800x600 so it doesnt get cut off

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johnadsfsdfdf:

the only prb is that the video doesn't show up on the tv

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johnadsfsdfdf:

i get the program guide, but not the program!

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mzb_d800:

I can tell you from (recent) experience that it's more important to get the video "just right" and then start fiddling with the gui later ;)

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mzb_d800:

do you have "Use GUI size for video" set? (or similar) in Settings->Appearance (iirc)

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Kazan:

are you using xvideo john?

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Kazan:

still using the oss driver?

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Yahooadam:

when i run mythtranscode from the command line

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Yahooadam:

i get "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)"

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Kazan:

mysql error

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Kazan:

check your mysql permissions

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Yahooadam:

well the backend works fine

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Yahooadam:

so why is mythtranscode kicking up a fuss

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Speedy2:

Is it possible to have the frontend not wrap scrolling keys in the menu?

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Speedy2:

i.e. not have left wrap around

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Speedy2:

?

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Yahooadam:

ok

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Yahooadam:

found it

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Yahooadam:

mythtranscode was using mysql.txt in /home/adam/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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Yahooadam:

wheras mythbackend uses /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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Yahooadam:

oh and just for fun there are a couple more elsewhere

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Yahooadam:

ok linked them all together now :)

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fryfrog:

hey, in svn trunk, what happened to aspect ratio changing?

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fryfrog:

i can't expand my "4:3" shows that are 16:9 to fill the screen

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Yahooadam:

http://pastebin.com/dc9fa70c

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Yahooadam:

umm, thats my transcode problem

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Kazan:

fryfrog: i figured out the problem

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Kazan:

fryfrog: it's there.... they split it into two seperate menus.. the old keystroke is the the "letter-box chopping off"

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Kazan:

(the problem i was refering to is with my pvr-500)

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Kazan:

ivtv cards + vbi capture + not-native resolution = corrupted image

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Kazan:

so if you capture VBI you _MUST_ put the card to it's native resolution – 720x480 for NSTC

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Yahooadam:

sadly it looks like a problem many people have had, and there hasnt been any suggested solution as far as i can see

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fryfrog:

what is the *other* menu?

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fryfrog:

i looked at all of them and could only find "manual zoom mode" which I don't think is it?

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Kazan:

fryfrog: it was in the changelog

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Kazan:

search the trac timeline

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fryfrog:

k

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fryfrog:

any suggestion on a keyword?

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fryfrog:

aspect maybe?

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Kazan:

maybe

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Yahooadam:

oh well i do need to sleep at some point

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Yahooadam:

so gnite all

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gizmobay:

For LiveTv, in my recording profile, I had to change my audio from mp3 to uncompressed. Anyone know how much bigger my LiveTv file will be approx?

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RichW:

Do you guys turn off your screensaver and screen power saving off?

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RichW:

or is there a better way :)

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gizmobay:

RichW, here's a thread that discusses this http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . =FC7;#296361

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RichW:

i wouldnt mind if i could wake it up by a button press on my IR remote

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RichW:

those guys just seem to turn it off completly

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gizmobay:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . trol;#137373

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Tanthrix:

My Mandrake frontend magically puts the TV to sleep after X minutes of idleness, and wakes it back up with a key press of any kind, be it keyboard mouse or IR

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Tanthrix:

No clue what's going on with it, or how to modify that behavior though ;)

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Kazan:

what's the question?

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Kazan:

RichW: yes there is a better way.. i set it up earlier

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Kazan:

what window manager are you using?

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Aval0n:

grrr

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Kazan:

Aval0n: hmm?

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Aval0n:

guys I have a 3.4ghz p4 ht 1 gig of ram and a 7300gs

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Aval0n:

and i've getting stuttering with hd playback

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Aval0n:

I'm*

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Aval0n:

nothing else is even recording

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Aval0n:

annoying

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Aval0n:

the odd thing is

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Aval0n:

if I pause

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Aval0n:

for a few seconds

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Aval0n:

and resume

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Aval0n:

it's ok

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Kazan:

Aval0n: check your harddrive performance?

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Aval0n:

but then it starts stuttering a few minutes later

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Aval0n:

Kazan no but it's a 2mb cache seagate drive

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Kazan:

check it

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Aval0n:

there a program you can recommend to check?

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Kazan:

hdparm IIRC

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Kazan:

no.. that's not the app

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Kazan:

it's related.. what is the app... hmm

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Kazan:

make sure it's using dma

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Kazan:

that is what hdparm is for :P

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Aval0n:

i'm pretty sure I am

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Kazan:

hdparm is the speed test too

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Kazan:

hdparm -d /dev/hda

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Aval0n:

I have no device named hd anything

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Aval0n:

weird

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Aval0n:

freakin ubuntu just HAAAS to be different :)

[02:18:29]

Kazan:

df -h

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Kazan:

nobody has /dev/hd* anymore technically

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Aval0n:

sda1

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Kazan:

anything writing to the drive right now?

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Kazan:

or reading from it noticably?

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Aval0n:

don't think so

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Aval0n:

root@htpc:/dev# hdparm -d /dev/sda1

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Aval0n:

root@htpc:/dev#

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Kazan:

if not then hdparm -t /dev/sd

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Kazan:

t not d!

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Kazan:

d is related to dma

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Kazan:

t is test

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Kazan:

dmesg | grep ata

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Aval0n:

Timing buffered disk reads: 176 MB in 3.01 seconds = 58.53 MB/sec

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Kazan:

it will tell you speed

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Aval0n:

4.466599] ata3.00: ATA-7: ST3500641AS, 3.AAE, max UDMA/133

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Aval0n:

ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.

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Aval0n:

I do see that thoguh

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Kazan:

sata drive

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Aval0n:

yes it is

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Kazan:

run hdparm -t a few more times

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Kazan:

(running it just one is mostly useless)

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Aval0n:

ran 5 times all 58mb/sec

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Kazan:

well then we know it's not disk

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Kazan:

using xvmc?

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Kazan:

trunk or .20-fixes?

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Sedorox:

Aval0n: it isn't ubuntu.. its standard linux.. a sata device is considered scsi

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Aval0n:

sedo I realized that after I ran dh

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Aval0n:

and saw the sda

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Kazan:

Sedorox: all linux distros no longer use /dev/hd*

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Aval0n:

I forgot about it being sata

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Kazan:

libata enumerates everthing as /dev/sd*

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Aval0n:

i thought sd = sata drive

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Aval0n:

ahh ok

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Aval0n:

nevermind

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Kazan:

even my PATA drive is enumerated /dev/sd*

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Kazan:

sda to be exact

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Kazan:

anyway...

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Kazan:

xvmc and trunk vs .20-fixes?

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Kazan:

if xvmc.. check video card bandwidth/etc make sure it's atleast a 6k series

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Aval0n:

i don't use xvmc

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Kazan:

if trunk make sure to svn update and make clean ./configure with -enable-proc-opt (it was busted in trunk for a while)

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Sedorox:

Kazan: depends.. if its a IDE drive.. its hd*.. if its sata (most machiens anymore) or a ide-usb chip built onto the mobo, it'll be sd*

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Kazan:

Sedorox: no it's not

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Kazan:

Sedorox: not anymore

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Kazan:

not since libata

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Kazan:

i know

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Kazan:

i have 1 PATA (aka IDE drive), 2 SATA

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Sedorox:

Umm.. ok

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Sedorox:

new motherboard?

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Kazan:

IDs /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc

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Kazan:

no

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Kazan:

libata

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Kazan:

i've only said it like three freaking times now

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Sedorox:

anyway....

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Kazan:

they changed how the kernel enumerates ata (IDE [ATA] and SATA) devices

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Kazan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibATA

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Kazan:

afk now.. wife calls

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drmitch:

everytime, and i mean EVERY TIME, i restart my computer, the 2 capture cards and my webcam change video devices... /dev/video[0–2], how can i make it always assign the same device to the same capture card?

[03:46:54]

Dr_Willis:

I think that may need some tweaking of the hotplug scripts , depending on your disrto.

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cesman:

drmitch: udev

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drmitch:

yea, i found out this much, but it sounds like udev is much more than always keeping the same device name

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bsdfox:

check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent*

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Dr_Willis:

I belive the system can be very customized.

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cesman:

essential, you tell udev you have a device

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bsdfox:

drmitch: it's probably that the hardware address is changing every boot

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cesman:

based on the properties of that device, you have can udev assign it a name (if you will)

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cesman:

for instance, I have a PVR 150

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cesman:

I tell udev to give that device the name of pvr150

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cesman:

so, in mythtv-setup, I tell it the device is /dev/pvr150

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cesman:

instead of say, /dev/videoX

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cesman:

which would change....

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cesman:

problem solved

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cesman:

drmitch: http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html

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cesman:

I'd also suggest searching the mailing list archive as you'll find examples to help guide you in making the perfect rule(s)

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drmitch:

thanks guys, i think i think that works

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drmitch:

hey guys...abotu that udev rules thing, so if i do KERNEL=="video*", DRIVER=="ivtv", NAME="video0" then any video device with ivtv driver will be named video0 right?

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gizmobay:

drmitch, /dev/video's switching numbers on you?

[04:45:27]

drmitch:

yes

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drmitch:

i want my pvr150 to be video0, my software encoder to be video1, and my webcam to be video2

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drmitch:

but i can't figure out the udev rules

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gizmobay:

I just blacklisted the drivers in modprobe.conf and then just loaded them in rc.local

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gizmobay:

will load the same every time

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gizmobay:

tried with udev but couldn't get it to work

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drmitch:

i'll try that, just blacklist ivtv \n blacklist bttv \n blacklist bt878 then in rc.local do modprobe in the order i want?

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gizmobay:

yeah, your udev looks correct but if that doesn't work you can do the blacklist like you've got

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drmitch:

okay, i'll give it a shot, thanks gizmo

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drmitch:

well dangit, when it boots, it says "won't load ivtv, module is blacklisted" what syntax did you use to get it to just not load at boot?

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cesman:

hmmm

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cesman:

drmitch: like I stated, you want udev to give the device a unique name...

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cesman:

I don't think there is a think you can do about /dev/videoX switching on you

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cesman:

that _is_ the unique name, then have mythtv use that unique name

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cesman:

drmitch: like I stated, you want udev to give the device a unique name...

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cesman:

I don't think there is a think you can do about /dev/videoX switching on you

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cesman:

that _is_ the unique name, then have mythtv use that unique name

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drmitch:

yea, i tried udev, and i can't get it to work :-(

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cesman:

SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", ATTR{name}=="ivtv0 encoder MPEG", SYMLINK+="pvr150"

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cesman:

that is my udev rule for my 150

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cesman:

you should NOTE depending on the version of IVTV you have, it maybe MPG instead of MPEG

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cesman:

no matter what /dev/videoX the 150 gets, I can _always_ access it as /dev/pvr150

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cesman:

so, in mythtv-setup I tell it to use /dev/pvr150

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johnadsfsdfdf:

im getting an unable to connect to master backend server error... any suggestions? i tried the wiki and found a solution, but it didnt work for me

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johnadsfsdfdf:

im able to connect from my laptop using mysql on the command line to the backend server database

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cesman:

the question is...is the backend running on your MBE

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cesman:

you should check the backend logs...

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defaultro:

hey folks, is this possible in mythtv fe that when we change the resolution on the fly, it will also change it dimension to match the current resolution

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doc__:

hi there

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phatmonkey:

i have just got mythtv set up on my new lcd tv with a large resolution (it's awesome), but the fonts in the recordings listings and mythvideo are tiny, regardless of any font size settings. how can i fix this?

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phatmonkey:

they're not unreadable at all because of the resolution, but just too small to read easily from a distance

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directhex|work:

override your monitor's DPI setting

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directhex|work:

nvidia driver?

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directhex|work:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Specifyi . . . NVIDIA_Cards

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gbee:

which looks better? – http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/theme_fullscreen7.png or http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/theme_fullscreen6.png

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kormoc:

gbee, I like #6 as it's easier to read

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gbee:

kormoc: thanks, overall I prefer #7 but I could try making the font whiter and see if that improves legability, if not then I may go with #6

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kormoc:

Yeah, I like the look, just with my tv, legibility > *

[10:12:53]

xand:

what does a cloud have to do with playing DVDs?

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rooaus:

xand: When the weather is bad outside you stay inside and watch a movie ;)

[10:14:22]

xand:

I always stay inside :(

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mzb_d800:

phatmonkey + directhex|work: DPI with xorg is also influenced by distro

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mzb_d800:

in theory, with nvidia, best method is with setting "DisplaySize" parameter

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mzb_d800:

but *some* (earlier) distros start X with a fixed DPI, so the setting is overridden

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directhex|work:

mzb_d800, in practice, no it isn't, because nvidia drivers 87xx or so and higher read the display size from EDID.

[10:33:57]

mzb_d800:

no

[10:34:17]

mzb_d800:

as I said, some distros start with a set DPI

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mzb_d800:

eg: Debian Sarge (iirc)

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directhex|work:

sarge has nvidia 7174. the rules differ

[10:35:44]

mzb_d800:

in theory, if you set the DisplaySize parameter, the DPI should be calculated automatically

[10:36:06]

mzb_d800:

*as long as* the DPI is not set by the distro

[10:36:21]

mzb_d800:

(in /usr/share/X11.... iirc)

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mzb_d800:

it's nothing to do with the version of the driver

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directhex|work:

whatever you say

[10:37:42]

mzb_d800:

it's to do with the fact that *some* distros have a SET DPI specified

[10:38:08]

mzb_d800:

I doubt that is the direct problem in this case, but it pays to be aware of it

[10:38:40]

mzb_d800:

I merely point out that it *can* be a distro-specific issue ... not driver|device

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directhex|work:

woody. it was forced on the X command line in woody

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directhex|work:

does anyone really give a flying *gently caress* about 2.2 kernel based distros these days? woody was antique junk when i was an undergrad

[10:45:29]

mzb_d800:

it wasn't woody. I've never run nvidia drivers (or a 22" screen) on woody.

[10:45:46]

mzb_d800:

I think it was sarge

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mzb_d800:

or an early dated etch

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directhex|work:

sarge doesn't force the DPI in any way, shape, or form. beyond decisions made by the drivers

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mzb_d800:

regardless, I point out that some distros have done it, and may continue to

[10:48:19]

directhex|work:

i point out that you're confusing the issue enormously, and "If you're using NVIDIA display drivers version 8756 or above and your monitor reports an EDID DPI value, you must tell the drivers to ignore this value as it takes precedence over all the above configuration options/arguments."

[10:49:17]

mzb_d800:

right, so if *everything else* is right, there is are other settings involved

[10:50:05]

mzb_d800:

I hope you appreciate that I've identified that there is ONE issue that prevents all those settings from having *ANY* effect

[10:50:55]

mzb_d800:

iirc: those settings are (or include):

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mzb_d800:

ption "UseEdidDpi" "false"

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rooaus:

The -dpi setting passed to X on the command line takes precedence I thought over all other settings/configurations, as in a "startx — -dpi 50" and that is something a user might put in a login script and forget about.

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mzb_d800:

s/Option "UseEdidDpi" "false"

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mzb_d800:

rooaus: I agree, and in some (earlier) (eg. some revisions of etch?) distros this was the case

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directhex|work:

it's not in etch or sarge

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directhex|work:

assuming this sarge server i'm connected to exists. it might not

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directhex|work:

it's hard to tell these days

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mzb_d800:

I can tell you that it *DID*. And as etch was a moving target at the time I challenge you to defy me!

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: That is a terrible thing for them to have done then, poor user tweaks the xorg.conf and wonders why it has no effect.

[10:55:03]

mzb_d800:

I am speaking directly from experience

[10:55:12]

mzb_d800:

exactly

[10:55:32]

mzb_d800:

took me ages to work out why fonts on my 22" didn't look right

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directhex|work:

jms@lic1:~$ cat /etc/debian_version

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directhex|work:

3.1

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directhex|work:

jms@lic1:~$ ps -ef | grep "bin/X "

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directhex|work:

root 5081 4983 0 Sep18 ? 00:00:00 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7

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directhex|work:

not forced on sarge

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mzb_d800:

and it was specifically because of the dpi setting buried within /usr/ (somewhere I can't recall)

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mzb_d800:

directhex|work: and etch was a "moving target", I said

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mzb_d800:

(at that time)

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mzb_d800:

have you got the point now?

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directhex|work:

mzb_d800, so how does all this *doodie* help phatmonkey? if he *happens* to be running an exact snapshot of debian etch from 2 years ago, then *maybe* the setting that works for 99% of people won't apply? why on earth is it worth even mentioning, in the absence of specific statements like "i'm using ediddpi=false but it still won't work"

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Esine:

What does the 'chanid' field in mythconverg.channel table signify? Can I have it the same as channum or is the number reference to some other table?

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directhex|work:

no release version of any distro i'm aware of from this side of the ice age does anything so frightfully stupid

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mzb_d800:

my dpi problem was <12mths ago, so it's not "distant"

[11:02:33]

GreyFoxx:

Esine: It's the chanid from the channels table (not the channel number though the numbers are related)

[11:02:47]

mzb_d800:

directhex|work: just because you are not aware of a problem doesn't mean that it doesn't exist ;P

[11:03:06]

Esine:

GreyFoxx, ... so can I have it as any number I like? Can I have the chanid the very same as the channum?

[11:03:36]

mzb_d800:

either way: phatmonkey needs to check his logs for the *reason* why the dpi is being chosen

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directhex|work:

mzb_d800, occam's razor. why even mention a problem that hasn't yet been shown worth mentioning?

[11:04:21]

Esine:

or how are chanid and channum related?

[11:04:23]

mzb_d800:

all things being equal (ie. correct), the best way is with the "DisplaySize" parameter

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mzb_d800:

directhex|work: bullshit

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directhex|work:

mzb_d800, displaysize is overridden by edid. see an hour ago.

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mzb_d800:

fork me!

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mzb_d800:

Option "UseEdidDpi" "false"

[11:05:41]

mzb_d800:

I'm only trying to describe the problems I had

[11:05:49]

mzb_d800:

take it or leave it, BUDDY!

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Esine:

ok so I'll just have the chanid the same as channum

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directhex|work:

and i'm sure you're very cute for having them. but there's zero point in bringing up issues that have yet to show any relevance to the problem at hand. not all problems are your problems

[11:06:54]

directhex|work:

if you're that adamant that you're right, rewrite the myth wiki with your version of history

[11:07:13]

mzb_d800:

the issue described was relevant and directly related to the problems I had and seen

[11:07:19]

mzb_d800:

get off your soap box

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mzb_d800:

issue over

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mzb_d800:

ps: only my g/f thinks I'm cute, so thanks for adding a vote ;P

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directhex|work:

the file you're talking about, by the way, is /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc – and it's overridden by the graphics drivers

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mzb_d800:

no it's not

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mzb_d800:

there's one under /usr/ somewhere

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mzb_d800:

check your init scripts more carefully ;P

[11:13:48]

mzb_d800:

rooaus was correct

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directhex|work:

that the command line setting overrules all?

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mzb_d800:

no

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mzb_d800:

Do your research before you flame an opinion other than your own and I'll show you.

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mzb_d800:

bbl

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directhex|work:

jms@lic1:~$ grep DPI /var/log/XFree86.0.log

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directhex|work:

(==) RADEON(0): DPI set to (75, 75)

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directhex|work:

jms@lic1:~$ grep dpi /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc

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directhex|work:

exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp

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directhex|work:

yeah, having an enormous effect here

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mzb_d800:

act your age, or your shoe size, whichever you think is greater

[11:23:57]

mzb_d800:

personally, I act the age of my g/f. That makes it easier for me to fake bullshit in public :P

[11:24:17]

mzb_d800:

ymmv

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directhex|work:

stop wasting time with "oh, erm, yeah, there's this weird setting that doesn't affect anyone or anything except me, and i don't remember where the problem is or the fix, but it's totally your problem".

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mzb_d800:

rubbish

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mzb_d800:

^^ see above

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directhex|work:

last time i had an argument like this, someone was insisting 1280x1024 monitors didn't exist

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mzb_d800:

I pointed out a potential problem (which can *easily* be verified by log checking)

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mzb_d800:

and the *correct* solution for nvidia drivers

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directhex|work:

then change the wiki, if you consider it to be giving the wrong info

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mzb_d800:

I have no such intention

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mzb_d800:

I'm not going to bother repeating myself again

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mzb_d800:

for someone that I'd previously though had a fine mind

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directhex|work:

so you'll argue for over an hour that it's wrong, instead of revising it to your version of right?

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mzb_d800:

and you spend the same amount of time arguing that I'm wrong? Without proving a thing.

[11:29:55]

mzb_d800:

I can assure you that I located that problem, and what I've said is true. You not accepting what I've told you is your problem.

[11:30:18]

mzb_d800:

the wiki is the least of my concerns

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directhex|work:

what am i meant to prove? apparently my version of sarge's behaviour doesn't count for undisclosed reasons, your magical config file's location remains a mystery, and why this is even relevant without further analysis on the basis of the original question at [10:39] is completely beyond me

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mzb_d800:

I have better ways to occupy my time and help others, rather than amuse your challenge.

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mzb_d800:

read what I've written, please

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mzb_d800:

<mzb_d800> I think it was sarge

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mzb_d800:

<mzb_d800> or an early dated etch

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directhex|work:

[10:39] user says they have a DPI problem [10:48] i point them at the wiki page for dpi problems [11:32] you start off on a bizarre tangent about secret config files you don't remember on distros you don't remember with effects you don't remember but that's so totally 100% the problem

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mzb_d800:

let go of yourself and get a grip

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mzb_d800:

btw: not a config file .. buried in X startup scripts under /usr/

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mzb_d800:

take a step back and read what I wrote

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directhex|work:

without checking it against reality, lest i cause distress, right?

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mzb_d800:

grow up

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mzb_d800:

I have not started a "bizarre" tangent ... I pointed out a possible problem, and presented alternatives (including the "proper" solution)

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mzb_d800:

which YOU didn't

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mzb_d800:

so back off

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mzb_d800:

and do some research|reading

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mzb_d800:

in lieu of that: get a g/f

[11:35:57]

mzb_d800:

so you spend less time bitching at me

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directhex|work:

my wife may not like your suggestion

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directhex|work:

but i'm sure it's right anyway

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mzb_d800:

thank you

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mzb_d800:

I won't sink as low to make comments about your relationship

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directhex|work:

you already implied i was single because i argued with you, in a "anyone who defies me is a sad loner" way, so i don't see any enormous reason to stop now.

[11:37:55]

mzb_d800:

I wish your wife all the best

[11:38:40]

mzb_d800:

I implied that you were bitching at me because you weren't getting enough (entertainment)

[11:39:33]

mzb_d800:

because, tbh, a lot of what you've said had been quite emotive

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directhex|work:

ah, so a dig at her sex drive then.

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mzb_d800:

no, not hers

[11:40:11]

mzb_d800:

still on the offensive?

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directhex|work:

no, not really. just reading the situation

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mzb_d800:

I watched the preview, instead ;)

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directhex|work:

try timestretch, it's mostly indistinguishable

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mzb_d800:

so I've noticed!

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rooaus:

clear

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mzb_d800:

0.95 is unreal :)

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rooaus:

EWRONGSCREEN

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directhex|work:

i usually pretend to be a terminal when people do EWRONGWINDOW, but how the *gently caress* do i do "clear" in irc?

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directhex|work:

other than pressing space then enter a lot, and getting kicked from freenode

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mzb_d800:

clear buffer?

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mzb_d800:

ie: dd if=/dev/brain of=/dev/null

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mzb_d800:

s/brain/memory/

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gbee:

can't believe my eyes at the moment, Brown is on stage at the moment giving a speech about "Freedom and Liberty", that we must continue to increase our personal liberty etc This from a guy and a government which continues to erode our freedoms and liberties, it's textbook Orwellian "DoubleThink" and "DoubleSpeak"

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directhex|work:

gbee, that sounds doubleplus ungood :|

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gbee:

they've already tried to re-define freedom – e.g. "You must allow us to lock you up without trial, to preserve your freedom."

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directhex|work:

gbee, we're in an authoritarian regime. that's not new

[12:05:34]

directhex|work:

gbee, remember, we have no legally defined freedom of the press either

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gbee:

aye, my optimism just hasn't been crushed yet – I keep hoping things will move in the opposite direction even though in recent years we seem to have been on an ever steeper slope

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directhex|work:

i can say, with absolute confidence, that we're not going to increase the freedoms in this country in our lifetimes, short of a revolution. and that's not even a remote possibility right now

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gbee:

that just leaves emigration and I should probably do it soon, before they lock the doors ;)

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mzb_d800:

from US?

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mzb_d800:

;)

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mzb_d800:

jk

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gbee:

from the UK – if you think things are bad in the US, think again

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mzb_d800:

how does it get better in any country>

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mzb_d800:

US|UK|AU probably have the best of it

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directhex|work:

by not getting involved

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directhex|work:

swizerland is home to many fine clocks! and chocolates!

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directhex|work:

and is decidedly neutral in anything and everything!

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mzb_d800:

not sure if we can complain compared to other's plight

[12:13:54]

directhex|work:

just because people are dying in africa, doesn't mean we lose our right to criticise our own situations

[12:14:14]

mzb_d800:

my sister live in South Africa, and like to tease customs a bit by sending me thing like candles labeled "BOMB!"

[12:14:41]

mzb_d800:

yeah, true, but it's still relative

[12:15:33]

mzb_d800:

I think my "s" key dislike me;)

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gbee:

I'd trade the invasion of personal lives by the UK goverment and the miserable excuse of our so-called democracy for any number of countries – don't care if the GBP is lower or if it lacks running water

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directhex|work:

one of my favorite statistics is that cuba, a third world country with a per-capita GDP of $4100, has higher literacy and lower infant mortality than the usa, with >10x the GDP

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gbee:

s/GBP/GDP/

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mzb_d800:

gee, political approval is low in UK, then? :)

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directhex|work:

depends who you ask

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mzb_d800:

how long till next election?

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Daviey:

mzb_d800: when our PM can be assed

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

good luck

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ben24:

hi ive been trying to setup a slave backend but it isn't working right. I had my master backend running on its own fine. And i had the slave running on its own fine but when i connect them both together the capture cards on the primary backend show as offiline

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gbee:

mzb_d800: that's the problem, a lot of people don't really care so long as they have food on their table and some spending money

[12:17:37]

mzb_d800:

politics is a funny game

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directhex|work:

june or earlier. we were expecting an early election to be announced, but the fat arse in power wussed out because he was scared he'd lose

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ben24:

the master has two dvb, and so does the slave

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Daviey:

~2 years he _has_ to – but there was talk of having one next month :(

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directhex|work:

sorry, june 2009, nt 2008

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mzb_d800:

2009? gee, that's a long wait

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gbee:

the recent goverment (last ten/eleven years) tell people what they want to hear even if it's the exact opposite of what they are actually doing – that's not much different from most countries, but this lot have actually perfected the art

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mzb_d800:

ben24: try watching the logs of both the backends

[12:19:42]

ben24:

they both don't really show much

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ben24:

and im using mythbackend -d

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directhex|work:

gbee, petitions.gov.uk is an affront against humanity. EVERY time people vote up on something, the official response is "you're all stupid for disagreeing wih the status quo"

[12:20:01]

gbee:

</angry political venting>

[12:20:15]

gbee:

directhex|work: heh, exactly

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ben24:

they both works when they are not joined together but when i join they don't work right

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mzb_d800:

ben24: check your debug settings. Perhaps increase verbosity? see -v help for options

[12:21:02]

ben24:

ok

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directhex|work:

ben24, are they both using the same mysql database?

[12:21:33]

gbee:

they create an official website for petitions to the government because "we live in a democracy" and "we want to know what you think", yet every single petition gets rejected because "you don't know what you are talking about"

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directhex|work:

ben24, in the capture cards table, do you definitely show 4 cards with distinct characteristics (especially cardid)?

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mzb_d800:

how many petitions have you submitted? ;))

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directhex|work:

i've signed a few in the past. CBA anymore.

[12:23:50]

directhex|work:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/juggle/ is a pretty good list of people who've realised that the site is actually a big joke. some people aren't in on the joke yet though

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ben24:

they are all using the same database

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gbee:

Tony Blair was like a kid whenever his policies were challenged or criticised, his reaction was 'so what?' or perhaps more relevant to the current day 'am I bothered?'

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ben24:

ill check the cardid's

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mzb_d800:

puts you on the "I want to be ignored" list?

[12:24:38]

directhex|work:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/IDcards/ is the example of "we don't care what you think"

[12:24:57]

gbee:

you just can't win an argument against someone who refuses to enter the discussion

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ben24:

yer all the card id's are different

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directhex|work:

28,000 people said "screw a mandatory government biometric id card" – the response is "I thought I would reply personally to those who signed up, to explain why the Government believes National ID cards, and the National Identity Register needed to make them effective, will help make Britain a safer place."

[12:25:17]

ben24:

but the videodevice are the same for 2 of them

[12:25:45]

gbee:

IMHO they created the petitions site as a /dev/null for all complaints, they never intended to take it seriously

[12:25:58]

mzb_d800:

personally, I've found infiltration the best method to get (short term) results ;)

[12:26:13]

directhex|work:

gbee, exactly. hence the ice cream juggling petition. sign it to prove you get the purpose of the site!

[12:27:35]

gbee:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/PMClarkson/ < heh

[12:28:07]

mzb_d800:

so how are these web-based petitions *supposed* to work?

[12:28:20]

kslater:

ben24: you could have the same card in two different backends show up as the same video device I think

[12:28:33]

mzb_d800:

(apart from a yes|no answer in Parliament?)

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kslater:

it's from that backend's perspective if you will

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ben24:

the master has two of the same card

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ben24:

and the slave has a different two

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mzb_d800:

that doesn't sound right

[12:29:16]

ben24:

why

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kslater:

you have 4 physical tuners?

[12:29:33]

ben24:

yes

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kslater:

two each in two backends?

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ben24:

yes

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kslater:

all the same type of card?

[12:29:53]

ben24:

no

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ben24:

the master has two nova-t's

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mzb_d800:

I can only speak of my own situation, but each tuner is represented as a single device

[12:30:10]

ben24:

the slave has td's

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kslater:

td?

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ben24:

i just fixed it!

[12:31:35]

kslater:

well out with the details man!

[12:32:31]

ben24:

the master servers cards had the location reset to the wrong place

[12:32:33]

ben24:

somehow

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ben24:

even though i never changed that

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ben24:

i changed them back

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ben24:

yay 4 tuners,

[12:33:01]

ben24:

3 frontends

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directhex|work:

mmm... tuna

[12:33:06]

ben24:

2 backends

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ben24:

one is running ubuntu and one mythbuntu

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kslater:

I have 2 backends and 4 frontends, very nice to have the flexibility

[12:33:56]

ben24:

aw

[12:34:07]

ben24:

4 tuners?

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kslater:

no, just 2 tuners

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kslater:

we mostly watch already recorded stuff

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ben24:

same really

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kslater:

very annoyed when we have to watch tv live

[12:35:41]

kslater:

If there is a show that I think my kids might enjoy but it has some small objectional parts, I can edit them out. That along with commercial skip is a great thing

[12:36:16]

kslater:

sometimes the content of the commercials is worse than the show we're watching

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mzb_d800:

my 2.5yo is already complaining when she sees ads ;)

[12:36:43]

kslater:

hehe

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rooaus:

Seen this http://ultimatemythtv.wordpress.com/category/topology/ ?

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kslater:

is anyone doing transcodes (inside myth) of HD shows?

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kslater:

I looked at one last night. The show is now a .nuv, was a .mpg, but the size is almost the same as the original

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kslater:

on SD stuff I see a 50% reduction in size

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rooaus:

cat :)

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voltagex:

omg, you read my mind ;)

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voltagex:

so there's no way to do this nicely?

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voltagex:

i.e. mythfrontend-based?

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rooaus:

seriously though that on;y works for mpeg1 I think.

[12:39:20]

voltagex:

I've joined programs before using a program called mpgcat and it's worked fine except for complaining about the TS file, it was expecting a PS

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mzb_d800:

I think I've missed something. Where is the capture resolution setting? (I want to reduce capture res for a bttv card).

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directhex|work:

kslater, which codec to which codec?

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kslater:

hmm

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kslater:

so it was a bog standard ATSC capture card I think that's MPEG2

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kslater:

I think the hd transcode profile is supposed to take it to MPEG4

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directhex|work:

mpeg4 is a pretty loose term

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kslater:

true enough

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kslater:

let me see if I can find it in the db, I'm not able to get X from machines at work

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mzb_d800:

rooaus: I don't know if I could afford the maintenance on a house that big ;)

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: Yeah, it is crazy... even his bird cage has a cctv camera. Expensive birds I suppose.

[12:43:48]

voltagex:

rooaus: can I add the birdcage channel to my frontend?

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mzb_d800:

must be! ;)

[12:45:16]

mzb_d800:

mind you, if that's the case, I'd hope that the cam in the chicken coop was somehow "CHEEPER" ;)

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mzb_d800:

heh

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mzb_d800:

oops

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mzb_d800:

must be the Tasmanian beer ;)

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rooaus:

heh

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voltagex:

do you guys know anything about Prime/Seven HDTV?

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voltagex:

namely what the hell they do when switching between SD and HD

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rooaus:

nah, I don't do HD atm. Are they doing something stupid?

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mzb_d800:

but then, if you can afford that level of "coverage" why would you be using a "home-made" solution? (ie. Linux+mythtv?)

[12:48:26]

voltagex:

rooaus: the HD channel becomes some kind of redirect, no idea how it works but when it switches mythtv freaks out

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directhex|work:

mzb_d800, because paid solutions are inferior?

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mzb_d800:

totally

[12:48:57]

directhex|work:

you can buy an off-the-shelf linux solution, e.g. pluto

[12:49:04]

mzb_d800:

but you understand my direction ...

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directhex|work:

but in the end, myth has the best back-end on the market

[12:49:16]

mzb_d800:

s/LinuxMCE

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directhex|work:

and who wouldn't love to be a rich nerd? \o/

[12:49:42]

mzb_d800:

not all it's cut out to be ;)

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mzb_d800:

I prefer to be happy :)

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directhex|work:

nerds are happy when they have stuff to poke. money buys stuff!

[12:50:36]

mzb_d800:

yeah, I've got a different solution

[12:50:49]

mzb_d800:

I poke the woman that buys me stuff

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mzb_d800:

same result ;)

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mzb_d800:

(but less work;)

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voltagex:

hang on, how does mythtv work with CCTV?

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directhex|work:

voltagex, the x10 stuff. zoneminder or somesuch

[12:52:12]

voltagex:

hrm

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voltagex:

I'll remember that when I'm rich

[12:52:29]

voltagex:

doesn't x10 cost a bunch?

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mzb_d800:

no

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rooaus:

not sure the exact solution he is using, but there is a zoneminder plugin that is OK. Even works with USB webcams.

[12:53:02]

directhex|work:

haven't you seen the popups? x10 is affordable!

[12:53:08]

voltagex:

lol

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mzb_d800:

(if you make the components yourself)

[12:53:16]

** voltagex pats adblock/firefox **

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rooaus:

directhex|work: X10 sucks, but then that is from someone who works in powerline comms :)

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mzb_d800:

but then open-source rubbish is often better than proprietary ;)

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mzb_d800:

I've been forced to read manuals for similar concepts over the year, and tbh I couldn't see much of a technical difference (apart from having to stick with the manufacturer's "standard")

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mzb_d800:

at the very least, X10 allows you to do things *your* way

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gbee:

mzb_d800: doing things "your way" sounds like a recipe for disaster, how are devices supposed to interact if they all do things a little differently?

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mzb_d800:

not if they all do X10

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rooaus:

gbee: On a public/shared medium as well.

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gbee:

mzb_d800: far better if they work to evolve the core standard, than bolt their own proprietary stuff on, IMHO

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Andycasss:

Could somone please help – I have a mythtv set up to run at startup. I edited my .gnormec with "sleep 10 && mythfrontend > /tmp/mythfrontend.log 2>&1 &" and chmoded it.

[13:03:00]

Andycasss:

It does start but the menu bars are also there (the one with application, places, system). How do i get rid of them? When i start frontend manually its on top of them.

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phatmonkey:

directhex|work, mzb_d800, sorry, got distracted, was watching mythtv! what do i need to do? on a wiki page i found "DisplaySize 349 196" for a similar tv to mine, but i'm not sure what that does and it doesn't fix the problem anyway

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directhex|work:

phatmonkey, have you set UseEdidDpi false?

[13:03:53]

phatmonkey:

no, i'll try that

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phatmonkey:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size

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phatmonkey:

says DisplaySize 345 195 for 1360x768

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phatmonkey:

which should i use

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directhex|work:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Specifyi . . . NVIDIA_Cards

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gbee:

the only downside to a single central standard is that it can be painfully slow to make changes through committee, but ultimately end-users benefit by getting software/devices that can interoperate

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directhex|work:

"If you're using NVIDIA display drivers version 8756 or above and your monitor reports an EDID DPI value, you must tell the drivers to ignore this value as it takes precedence over all the above configuration options/arguments."

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phatmonkey:

shall i just add Option "UseEdidDpi" "FALSE"

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phatmonkey:

Option "DPI" "100 x 100"

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phatmonkey:

i have a nvidia card

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directhex|work:

yes, definitely add the UseEdidDpi line. mzb_d800 will hurt me if i suggest you use the DPI line, so get out a calculator and work out what you should set DisplaySize to for it to add up to 100 dpi

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mzb_d800:

gbee: I think you misunderstand me. I said I've looked at proprietary solutions and don't like them because they commit you to buying *only* their product.

[13:07:14]

phatmonkey:

works a treat! thanks all

[13:07:35]

phatmonkey:

the DPI line worked, what's the problem with it?

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mzb_d800:

thanks directhex|work

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mzb_d800:

that is the "wrong" method

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mzb_d800:

it might take a while before it's effects sink in ;)

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gbee:

mzb_d800: possibly, I thought you were saying that X10, whilst being a more open standard, was too permissive (allowing manufacturers to make their own, proprietary, additions)

[13:08:42]

phatmonkey:

the "wrong" method seems to work fine, so... !

[13:09:33]

mzb_d800:

phatmonkey: stick with what you're happy with. Just be aware that there are problems involved with that method.

[13:09:43]

gbee:

mzb_d800: don't worry about it too much, I don't really know how the X10 protocol works and I'm not that interested either, I'm just arguing for the sake of it ;)

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mzb_d800:

gbee: np ;)

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phatmonkey:

ok how do i calculate displaysize

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directhex|work:

either way you're talking *doodie* when you edit those values. my monitor has an exact number of pixels per inch. i can lie about its dimensions or its resolutions, i'm still talking *doodie*

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phatmonkey:

i don't understand what displaysize is on about

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mzb_d800:

phatmonkey: get a ruler out and measure your screen

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directhex|work:

phatmonkey, displaysize is horizontal & vertical size in millimetres, assuming 100dpi

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gbee:

phatmonkey: displaysize is the physical dimensions of your screen

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phatmonkey:

oh woah, seriously?

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phatmonkey:

or should i just count the pixels one by one?

[13:11:15]

phatmonkey:

this sounds like a step back, haha

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directhex|work:

gbee, except it's not when you're abusing it to hack the dpi value. 1360x768 screens vary from 23" to 37", but need the same hacky values for myth to behave

[13:11:26]

mzb_d800:

using DisplaySize and UseEdidDpi=false means that the DPI will be correct regardless of the resolution

[13:11:44]

Andycasss:

Could somone please help – I have a mythtv set up to run at startup. I edited my .gnormec with "sleep 10 && mythfrontend > /tmp/mythfrontend.log 2>&1 &" and chmoded it.

[13:11:44]

Andycasss:

It does start but the menu bars are also there (the one with application, places, system). How do i get rid of them? When i start frontend manually its on top of them.

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gbee:

mythtv in versions prior to 0.21 requires that you set the displaysize so that the resolution and displaysize ratio results in 100 dots (pixels) per inch on the screen

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directhex|work:

Andycasss, stop using compiz

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gbee:

directhex|work: yep, I was going to say that, just typing in between eating my lunch

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mzb_d800:

directhex|work: DisplaySize does not use 100dpi, it's used to calculate the dpi

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phatmonkey:

what are the units for display size?

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directhex|work:

mzb_d800, right. but you're lying when you set it

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mzb_d800:

mm

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mzb_d800:

lying?

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directhex|work:

phatmonkey, millimetres

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phatmonkey:

and if i've set displaysize, shall i comment out the DPI line?

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phatmonkey:

directhex|work, thanks

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mzb_d800:

yes

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gbee:

Andycasss: in the compiz settings, goto the "Workarounds" settings and enable "Legacy Fullscreen"

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gbee:

assuming you are using Compiz as directhex|work guessed

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mzb_d800:

and ensure UseEdidDpi=false

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rooaus:

phatmonkey: If it is working why mess with it?

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directhex|work:

mzb_d800, lying. the driver *knows* my display size in mm, it gets it from EDID. if you want to pretend you have 100dpi (as myth requires) then your displaysize values are almost certainly unrelated to reality

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directhex|work:

mzb_d800, i'd say setting a value for physical dimensions to something made up was a lie

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gbee:

Compiz is just broken by not using legacy fullscreen support by default, especially when you consider that QT3 applications don't yet support the new X11 fullscreen mode

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mzb_d800:

directhex|work: if that were true, then all widescreen LCDs would work out of the box

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mzb_d800:

that is not the case

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directhex|work:

mzb_d800, that's because myth only works with 100dpi

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mzb_d800:

and afiak, this is not (directly) a mythtv issue

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gbee:

directhex|work: that's changed in trunk (apparently)

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Andycasss:

Im sorry, where can i find compiz settings?

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phatmonkey:

ok, i set displaysize and it's all small again, i'm changing back to the DPI line

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mzb_d800:

this is bases on how X(org) itself works

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rooaus:

phatmonkey: How are you starting X? Could you test something?

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phatmonkey:

/etc/init.d/gdm restart

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mzb_d800:

iirc, X tries to determine the DPI from a number of sources (in order).

[13:18:26]

directhex|work:

mzb_d800, a 23" and 37" lcd have the same resolution. do they physically have the same dots per inch? of course not. hence setting displaysize is lying about your screen's properties, but in a bizarre way – rather than saying "my screen is 100dpi", you're saying "my screen is 1360x768, and 15" across."

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mzb_d800:

the first is set by the command line

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rooaus:

phatmonkey: cool, don't worry about it.

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brockp:

hey question about the OpenGL and/or QT painters,

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mzb_d800:

you are missing the point about how DPI is used for fontsize calculation

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brockp:

when i updated to .20.2 OpenGL stopped working, i would have theme backgrounds but no menus,

[13:20:35]

rooaus:

brockp: I think you need mscorefonts or similar to get Arial.

[13:20:38]

brockp:

i found posts on this and that it could be fixed by switching to the QT painter, but i was wondering what caused this? Is it because of my old card? GeForce4 ti4400 ?

[13:20:46]

Andycasss:

Anyone? Where can i access compiz settings?

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gbee:

brockp: nvidia? try re-installing the nvidia driver

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directhex|work:

brockp, do you have working gl? check "glxinfo | grep direct" in a terminal

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brockp:

cant,,,, Im at work, glxinfo requries X be running

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mzb_d800:

directhex|work: I'd love to say that you are correct, and that I've learned a lesson tonight, but that's not the case. I know that I'm right from experience & research.

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mzb_d800:

(and practice)

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brockp:

but I do have acceleration, I dont know if thats related to direct rendering though

[13:22:18]

mzb_d800:

so I'll leave you with that and you can argue with yourself

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mzb_d800:

I have a other things to tend

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directhex|work:

what the *gently caress* is it now?

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rooaus:

sorry, different issue if the Qt painter works.

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brockp:

ok cool, i just liked the slightly more plastic look of GL, and my card does nothing otherwise, (tv out dedicated mythbox) but hey its cpu isnt doing much anyway, (other than commflag)

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brockp:

cool was just hopping there was a fix, thanks

[13:23:58]

brockp:

Ill get back on tonight when im home, that way i can get more information. Thanks!

[13:24:20]

rooaus:

Andycasss: Is it a dedicated myth box? You could just uninstall compiz if it is.

[13:24:30]

** directhex|work is just plain confused now. what's wrong with this statement: a 23" and 37" lcd have the same resolution. do they physically have the same dots per inch? of course not. hence setting displaysize is lying about your screen's properties, but in a bizarre way – rather than saying "my screen is 100dpi", you're saying "my screen is 1360x768, and 15" across." **

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mzb_d800:

(apart from your wounded ego)

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mzb_d800:

you are missing the point about how DPI is used for fontsize calculation

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directhex|work:

no, i'm ignoring it entirely, because it's not relevant

[13:25:30]

mzb_d800:

X vs myth?

[13:25:54]

mzb_d800:

nah, I'm done with this

[13:25:56]

mzb_d800:

gnite

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directhex|work:

jesus *tender loving* christ :|

[13:26:14]

mzb_d800:

4qu2

[13:26:33]

directhex|work:

and what the buggerfuck is that meant to mean?

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SiD3WiNDR:

four queue you two

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SiD3WiNDR:

what else? :P

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directhex|work:

oh, how immensely witty? O_o

[13:28:10]

rooaus:

Andycasss: See http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3109 that might help.

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** directhex|work still fails to understand, yet again, what the secret invisible point is **

[13:29:27]

directhex|work:

can someone obviously smarter than me explain what the setting "DisplaySize 345 195" actually *means*

[13:30:05]

mzb_d800:

no, your arrogance prohibits me ... use google :P

[13:30:06]

mzb_d800:

SiD3WiNDR: thanks for the translation :)

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mzb_d800:

ouy

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XLV:

dimensions of display in mm?

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mzb_d800:

s/out

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XLV:

obviously dpi in 23" and 37" must differ

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XLV:

if they have same res

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directhex|work:

XLV, apparently not, but it's a secret as to why? O_o

[13:31:10]

phatmonkey:

i have dual screens. ever since i started using compiz on ubuntu 7.10, mythfrontend now opens on my main screen. is there any way to open it on my second screen so i can watch tv and do other things?

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directhex|work:

phatmonkey, ask your window manager nicely

[13:31:47]

phatmonkey:

directhex|work, how do i ask it nicely?

[13:32:11]

directhex|work:

phatmonkey, depends on your window manager. many should have an option to open a specific app in a specific place

[13:32:29]

gbee:

directhex|work: it means your Display is 345mmx195mm – but those dimensions only serve a single purpose and that is determining the DPI/Aspect ratio

[13:32:44]

phatmonkey:

directhex|work, guess not... unless i've missed something

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directhex|work:

gbee, so why is it "more correct" to lie about the physical dimensions than about the DPI?

[13:33:16]

gbee:

DPIs only purpose is only used to scale fonts to a comfortable size and ratio

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XLV:

directhex, its just that in the second statement "you're saying "my screen is 1360x768, and 15" across."" you dont know the dpi, but you can deduct it from other more obvious measurements, resolution and size

[13:34:52]

directhex|work:

XLV, but my screen isn't 15" across. why is it more obvious to give false dimensions in mm than to just force the DPI myth needs?

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gbee:

directhex|work: it's anachronistic, just down to the way X11 works

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directhex|work:

gbee, i don't question that. i question why displaysize is "more correct". it's equally wrong, but more obscure. and if trunk now scales properly, no longer relevant

[13:36:22]

gbee:

directhex|work: if setting the DPI in your X config works, then you don't have a problem, but for whatever reason that doesn't work for everyone or all versions of X

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gbee:

http://www.mozilla.org/unix/dpi.html

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voltagex:

err, if the job queue shows a flagging operation, there should be a mythcommflag process right?

[13:38:38]

directhex|work:

"Both points and DPI either too small or too big are typically caused by a mismatch between your real display size and the display size your X server thinks you have." – except in the case of badly written programs, surely lying here (when it knows the *real* dpi) makes things worse? that's rhetorical, of course – everything looks broken on my myth machine except myth, because the dpi is too high compared to reality

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mzb_d800:

tada!

[13:40:18]

mzb_d800:

no seriously, I'm asleep now ;)

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gbee:

directhex|work: looking back I notice that you are talking about "Option "DPI" "100 x 100"" – which only works with the nvidia driver (and probably not all of them), plus it requires you disable Edid

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directhex|work:

gbee, you need to disable edid for anything to have an effect on nvidia

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gbee:

it's probably not correct to say that DisplaySize should be used instead of those, just that displaysize should work for all drivers/versions of X and Option "DPI" doesn't

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directhex|work:

gbee, and the person asking the question is indeed using nvidia

[13:42:29]

mzb_d800:

gbee: correct (afaik) *snore*

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Dibblah:

"helps to reduce power consumption"... Snicker.

[13:43:18]

mzb_d800:

(and *all* screens ... assuming they give the correct edid for all resolutions)

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Dibblah:

I'd love to see the figures on that :)

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mzb_d800:

*snore*snuffle*snort*

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directhex|work:

gbee, long story short: displaysize *is* bullshit, but works everywhere. apps shouldn't need it, and myth doesn't anymore in trunk

[13:45:26]

mzb_d800:

*bullshit*snore*snuffle*snort*

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directhex|work:

look out reality, mzb_d800's on the prowl. and asleep. *cough*

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mzb_d800:

*snort;)*

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mzb_d800:

stop pokin' ! ;)

[13:48:08]

mzb_d800:

roll over b!tch !

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mzb_d800:

stop farting in bed!

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mzb_d800:

oops .. wrong # ;)

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gbee:

apps do need it, mythtv doesn't so much in trunk simply because instead of scaling fonts according to the DPI we do it according to the ratio of a base resolution to the screen resolution

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rooaus:

ah, was that the fix?

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gbee:

just don't ask me to go into more detail, I missed this commit and sphery only filled me in on the general details yesterday

[13:54:07]

gbee:

DPI matters more for some applications than others, in most it doesn't matter that the text exactly fits a certain space since they have large tolerances and you can manipulate columns or windows so that it will fit

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gbee:

Firefox (in the web content it displays) and MythTV, to name two examples, are trying to fit that text into a prescribe space (text overlayed on image of fixed size, or guide information into the grid)

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directhex|work:

except best practice says web pages shouldn't mandate font sizes & be tolerant of anything, since people may have differing needs (e.g. those with poor vision using large fonts)

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directhex|work:

assuming uniformity makes things easy, just not necessarily right

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gbee:

directhex|work: well designed webpages should be tolerant, but even so very few actually are

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directhex|work:

so we have a theory/reality conflict. i don't think that's in question

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mzb_d800:

aren't you trying to argue X-server vs X-application? The DisplaySize+DPI issue is at the X-server level.

[14:00:31]

mzb_d800:

*snore*

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gbee:

sometimes if you want a particular design to your pages, you can't be as tolerant as you might like

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gbee:

s/design/layout/

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rooaus:

Andycass: "sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager" and then in the menu "Preferences -> Advanced Desktop Effects Settings" then "Workarounds" in the utility section. Enable "Legacy Fullscreen Support" in Workarounds.

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rooaus:

Andycasss: Did you enable/check legacy support from the installed settings manager?

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mzb_d800:

iirc, the problems exhibit themselves when an application requests a font+size of the xserver which give an incorrect result for *that* screen. The result being fuzzy edges or tinges of colour around fonts. If the "DPI" setting is correct (for all resolutions) this will not ever be a problem. But in the case of (my) some LCD screens, the DPI is miscalculated (from whatever combination of reasons.)

[14:07:30]

mzb_d800:

The only sane|reliable method of calculating the correct DPI for *all* resolutions for *that* screen is by setting the DisplaySize.

[14:08:17]

mzb_d800:

This is regardless of what an X-application (firefox, etc) chooses ... this is an X-server issue.

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directhex|work:

you talk a lot for someone who's asleep

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mzb_d800:

*snore*

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mzb_d800:

you have nothing but criticism for some who's awake :P

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directhex|work:

your display giving broken EDID isn't the problem that's been discussed at any point, anyway

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mzb_d800:

pffft

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directhex|work:

and broken edid would be an example of when overrides like displaysize are good

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Andycasss:

Rooaus, yes it was already enabled

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mzb_d800:

you can discount anything I say, in whatever manner you like

[14:10:40]

mzb_d800:

I am correct in what I've said, and in the advice I've given

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mzb_d800:

your FUD has only confused the issue further and shown your ignorance

[14:11:38]

mzb_d800:

go and adjust the wiki yourself

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directhex|work:

with what? i don't see what needs adjusting

[14:13:25]

mzb_d800:

your selective reading of what I've written has only made things worse

[14:14:05]

mzb_d800:

so I wish you a good night, and I hope your DPI is better in the morning :P

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rooaus:

Andycasss: Not sure then, sorry. That is the current advice. Perhaps uninstall compiz if you can or live without it. (not very helpful I know :))

[14:14:21]

directhex|work:

you said that an hour and a half ago, and you still won't piss off

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ben24:

nooooo, my backend failed the distribution upgrade

[14:15:31]

ben24:

it failed on mythtv plugins

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Andycasss:

But why does it run fine when i lunch the mythtv manually?

[14:15:50]

Andycasss:

I mean, without the menu bars

[14:16:20]

Andycasss:

It displays those bars only when i autorun it from gormacs

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mzb_d800:

directhex|work: stop poking me and I will ... good forking night you pOmmy d!ck!

[14:17:03]

gbee:

Andycasss: does it have focus when started automatically? (can it be controlled from the keyboard)?

[14:17:14]

Andycasss:

yes

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gbee:

odd, sounds like a compiz bug

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mzb_d800:

(no offence to the rest of the pOms in #;)

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rooaus:

What about a custom session that runs openbox/evilwm/ratpoison for mythfrontend, could that work for you?

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Dr_willis:

I will say that – with compiz here. I have no issues with MythTv frontend. :) but ive not been paying attention to the problems getting mentioned here.

[14:20:08]

Dr_willis:

and given all the Otehr flakeyness ive seen with compiz.. yes. It could be a compiz issue. :)

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Andycasss:

Im afraid I dont know how to run a custom session.

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Andycasss:

To hide the menubar in icewm, run the following as user mythtv: $ mkdir ~/.icewm and $echo "TaskBarAutoHide = 1" > ~/.icewm/preferences – Is this what im looking for?

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djc__:

whats anyone using for a rather smallish (vcr-size) mythbox that needs to be very quiet, and with either SVID or NTSC tv out?

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rooaus:

nite all

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djc__:

the small boxes want microatx mobos, and can only use low-profile vidcards.. having a hard time finding either a board with builtin tvout, or a low prof vidcard with it.. also what cpu/sink combination is suggested for super-quiet use in a living room where it needs to be on all the time so it can do schedule recording?

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directhex|work:

djc__, mac mini

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djc__:

really?

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djc__:

running osx or linux?

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directhex|work:

your call

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directhex|work:

though i've not seen reports on its ability under linux using the s-video adapter

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directhex|work:

don't really care tbh, i use vga

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Dr_willis:

shuttlex machines perhaps?

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directhex|work:

noisier & bigger & costlier, but more PCish, i.e. will behave more how you expect

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directhex|work:

mini-itx is a waste of time

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Dr_willis:

I thought asus had some small htpc type things comming out also.

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Andycasss:

Is there somekind of a default password for mythtv sudo?

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Dr_willis:

that would be disrto specific Andycasss I belive.

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djc__:

presumably you would have set the root password when you installed your OS

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Andycasss:

I have 7.10 – I think i didnt set the pass myself...

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Andycasss:

Ubuntu 7.10 *

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Andycasss:

Hmhh

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djc__:

unless its a sudo-specific distro, try 'su' instead of sudo

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Andycasss:

nah, its sudo. I know sudo pass for my" Andy" account but under mythtv account the pass is different

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directhex|work:

djc__, ubuntu is indeed sudo-specific

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djc__:

afaik, with sudo the password to use is the same as your account pass

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djc__:

i dunno.. sudo is arcane and moronic, imnsho

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Andycasss:

But it doesnt work

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djc__:

su, (root pw), (do what you need as root), exit

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Andycasss:

with su it says unknow id

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Dr_willis:

with ubuntu use SUDO – NOT su

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Dr_willis:

ubuntu Faq #1 :)

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djc__:

sorry, that wasnt specific to your case, I was making a case against sudo in general

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Dr_willis:

sudo -s to get a root shell if ya want.

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Dr_willis:

and the 'sudo' password should be the password of the user you first created during install.

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Andycasss:

It should be, but its not

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Andycasss:

It says enter passowrd for myth – now, does it ask for a pass of sudo or mythtv?

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Andycasss:

Cos if it asks mythtv i wouldnt know that

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Andycasss:

Meh, since my mythtv user didnt have a pass i just left the pass field empty and it worked..

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djc__:

hrm.. mythtv for osx is a 'maybe'... and fedora on mac is also a 'maybe'... too much maybeness

[15:04:55]

djc__:

itd be cool, but im not gonna spend $500 on 'maybe'

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directhex|work:

djc__, fedora?

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djc__:

linux

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directhex|work:

djc__, and you do know macs are bog standards intel, right? as in, you can just install any modern x86–64 distro

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djc__:

stuff ive read suggests some trickiness

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directhex|work:

that's fedora for you

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djc__:

not fedora

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djc__:

the mac

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directhex|work:

but i've been doping it for well over a year

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djc__:

yeah?

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djc__:

hrm

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djc__:

does the svid-out work without any special work?

[15:07:45]

djc__:

how about adding a second nic?

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djc__:

dunno much about macs

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directhex|work:

adding hardware via non-usb isn't happening on anything other than the £1500 mac pro

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directhex|work:

and i don't use s-video, i told you

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directhex|work:

generally speaking though, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/picturebox/a . . . #picture_nav is my office pc

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djc__:

ah.. well.. i need to output to a ye-old 4x3 tv that has ntsc in.. i can convert svid with no prob

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djc__:

but not vga or hdmi or anything

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mkrufky:

Kazan: you around? HVR1800 supports QAM now

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** mkrufky is going to have the qam-fix patch merged into 2.6.24 **

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j-rod:

djc__: fedora on a mac is not a maybe

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j-rod:

its a definitely works just fine, thank you

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j-rod:

I run fedora on an intel mac mini for my myth frontend at home

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j-rod:

and have fedora running on an intel imac

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j-rod:

and on my powerbook

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j-rod:

(I can go on. Long story short, it works without a problem)

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j-rod:

no trickiness. Insert linux install CD, boot off it, install. Reboot when its done, watch linux boot.

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directhex|work:

using rEFIt is a good idea

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fryfrog:

j-rod: well, they are intel hardware, so why woudln't it?

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j-rod:

fryfrog: never said they wouldn't, I was assuring someone else it wasn't the case. :)

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fryfrog:

AH

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fryfrog:

oops

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fryfrog:

If the damn things weren't $600, they'd make super front ends

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j-rod:

there is minor deviation from standard intel hardware though, in that they use EFI and GPT

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fryfrog:

not that i could build something that small for less :/

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j-rod:

even at $600, they still make super frontends

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fryfrog:

I know EFI (bios replacement, right?), but what is GPT?

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j-rod:

HDTV frontends, anyhow

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j-rod:

for SDTV-only, maybe not worth it

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j-rod:

correct on EFI

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fryfrog:

do they do decent x264/h264 playback?

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j-rod:

GPT == GUID Partitioning Table

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fryfrog:

my 3000+ amd64 is *just* able to play them, but not ff/rw/pause.

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fryfrog:

ah

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j-rod:

different disk formatting

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fryfrog:

that i didn't know

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j-rod:

allows for much larger disks and partitions than the old msdos partition tables

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j-rod:

I don't do much h264 on mine, HDTV in the US == mpeg2

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fryfrog:

how many of those mac minis do you have?

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fryfrog:

also, can you use the built in IR reciever?

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directhex|work:

only with mac remote codes

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directhex|work:

so you need a programmable remote

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fryfrog:

are there enough mac remote codes to control myth and such fully?

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directhex|work:

dunno. i use bluetooth

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fryfrog:

oic

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fryfrog:

well, usb ir reciever isn't exactly hard

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godzirra:

howdy folks. I'm considering a mythtv as tivo just broke my tivo with its new software update. Can anyone who has some experience with tivo and mythtv give me some information on what they think?

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fryfrog:

mythtv is harder to setup than tivo?

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mkrufky:

LOL

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godzirra:

lol

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godzirra:

I'm a linux user of 12ish years. I'm not too worried about the difficulty to setup.

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fryfrog:

i think i'd speak with tivo and have them fix / repair what they broke.

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fryfrog:

ah, well then, may as well give mythtv a try!

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godzirra:

Well, its a 2.5 year old tivo, so I don't think they're going to do it.

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fryfrog:

mythtv + anything but OTA HD in the US is annoying :(

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godzirra:

Well, I'm moer curious about the ease of use and the remote control.

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godzirra:

OTA HD?

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fryfrog:

over the air

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godzirra:

oh.

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godzirra:

nevermind

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godzirra:

how come?

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fryfrog:

cause sat and cable generally offer no real way to get HD off their wire

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godzirra:

i don't have an HD tv...

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fryfrog:

cable at least has firewire, but that is spotty

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godzirra:

so does that matter?

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fryfrog:

in theory, QAM works, but not that great imho

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fryfrog:

if you won't be doing HD, then you got no worries :)

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godzirra:

ok wait... lets step back a minute. Cause you lost me ;)

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godzirra:

I just have a normal tv/tivo/cable box setup.

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godzirra:

I don't hardly ever watch tv...my wife does a lot.

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fryfrog:

just get yourself a PVR150/PVR500 and anything you have laying around and you are good to go

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godzirra:

how processor intensive is mythtv?

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fryfrog:

you can hook your cable box to the mpeg2 encoder

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godzirra:

I've got a linux server I use for very basic stuff.

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fryfrog:

for SD? not very

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godzirra:

What is SD?

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fryfrog:

I used to run 4x PVR250s (mpeg2 encoders) on an amd 1600+

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fryfrog:

Standard Def

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fryfrog:

ie, 480i

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godzirra:

Ah.

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godzirra:

got it.

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godzirra:

ok. i'm just going to probably have one tv tuner if I go this route. I really just want to emulate my tivo functionality, and if I can do it on my current linux box (I dont recall the specs, but its only 5 months old, but its a low end acer) then I may go that route

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godzirra:

but I'm curious how hard it is to do stuff since my wife is somewhat tecnically inclined, but isn't going to want to work to use it :)

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fryfrog:

once it is up and running, it is smooth like a tivo

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fryfrog:

the UI is all remote oriented and looks very much like any tv interface

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godzirra:

Is there a remote contrl or anything you can get?

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godzirra:

Nice.

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fryfrog:

tons :)

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godzirra:

ok.

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fryfrog:

anything you can get going with lirc

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fryfrog:

in fact, you could use your tivo remote if you want

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godzirra:

Really? huh.

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fryfrog:

just need a usb/serial IR reciever

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godzirra:

ok.

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godzirra:

can it set wishlists / season passes etc like on tivo?

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godzirra:

i.e. record every episode of heroes? :)

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godzirra:

thats the most important part.

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fryfrog:

yes to season passes, but it isn't called that

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fryfrog:

i'm not sure what "wishlist" is?

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godzirra:

I see a commercial, say, for "Tinman" but it doesn't show up in tv listings yet.

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fryfrog:

there a tons of recording options

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godzirra:

so I add it to a "wishlits" and when it comes onto tv listings it automatically records it

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godzirra:

s/wishlits/wishlist

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fryfrog:

ah, i don't think there is anything *easy* like that, afair

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fryfrog:

you can setup i think search based schedules?

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jarle:

fryfrog: a search like that is easy to setup...

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godzirra:

Hmmm. ok. Lack of wishlists won't kill me.

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fryfrog:

jarle: ah, cool

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godzirra:

Back to my other questions... and thank you for helpingme with all of them ;)

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fryfrog:

is it easy to turn it into a series recording?

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[diablo]:

good afternoon #mythtv-users .... guys, for some near 3 days, I've been attempting to get Myth TV working with my SkyStar 2 connected to a DiSEqc switch which provides Astra (BSKYB), Hotbird and Astra 19º..... the total headache is that (and I can not understand why) Myth seems not to change and lock to the switch input... is there anyone using DiSEqc who could maybe help me out please? I know the whole setup works, as I have bee

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[diablo]:

n using Kaffeine perfectly for some 8 months

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jarle:

fryfrog: you can have it record all shows containing for example "myshow" in the title...

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godzirra:

ok... other questions... I see some PVR150's on ebay for 40ish bucks.

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godzirra:

jarle: thats awesome. Thats exactly what wishlist does.

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fryfrog:

jarle: also, actors right?

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godzirra:

on tivo.

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fryfrog:

godzirra: $40 sounds reasonable

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fryfrog:

godzirra: I'd probably go the extra mile and get a PVR500 though

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godzirra:

so if I get 1 pvr 150, that means I can record one show at a time? and can't watch another show while I'm doing it, right?

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fryfrog:

2 tuners on one PCI card

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godzirra:

Ahhh....

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godzirra:

ok

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godzirra:

Whats the difference?

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fryfrog:

you can hook one via svideo to your cable box

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fryfrog:

and the other can use analog cable

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jarle:

godzirra: and ofcourse you can keep adding other rules, like for example only record on mondays, only between 18–24 for example... its (more or less) all up to you...

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** godzirra nods at Jarle. **

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fryfrog:

godzirra: with one tuner, you can record 1 show *or* watch 1 show live. You can watch any number of previously recorded shows when ever you like.

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jarle:

fryfrog: yeah, you can search for actors too...

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godzirra:

Can I record while watching a previously recorded show?

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fryfrog:

with a PVR500, you could potentially record 2 shows, watch 1 show live and record 1 show, etc

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fryfrog:

godzirra: yup

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jarle:

godzirra: sure

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godzirra:

Beautiful.

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godzirra:

Wait.. 1 last question.

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fryfrog:

in fact, you could have 5 front ends, watching 5 different previously recorded shows and still record 1 show

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godzirra:

well, I have probably have a lot more to be honest.

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godzirra:

but the pvr150 looks like you can connect your cable box to it... does it output to your tv as well?

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fryfrog:

go ahead and ask, we get paid by the question :)

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jarle:

godzirra: but you'll pretty soon want to install more than one tuner I would imagine...

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godzirra:

It wasn't inherently clear on the stuff I was reading.

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fryfrog:

godzirra: no, output is done with a video card, usually nvidia based cause they are well supported.

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godzirra:

I need to see how many PCI slots I have in it.

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godzirra:

Ahh damn. so I'd need to get a new video card I think too.

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fryfrog:

i'd mention the PVR350, but explaining it is worthless and you wouldn'[t want to use it in the ned.

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godzirra:

ok.

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fryfrog:

godzirra: anything with output you can use on your tv should be good, svideo offers higest quality

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godzirra:

i'll take your word for it.

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fryfrog:

any cheap gf4 or better should do okay

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godzirra:

Hrm. Is there a way to see how many pci slots you have on a linux box if you're sshed into it? :)

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fryfrog:

i've used gf4 ti4200

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godzirra:

Huh. I think I may have one of those laying around.

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fryfrog:

godzirra: don't think so, do you know model make?

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godzirra:

Not off the top of my head.

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godzirra:

So if I get a pvr 500 I can record two shows, or record 1 and watch a different one?

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godzirra:

I have my wife looking.

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godzirra:

I'm at work ssh'd into it.

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Hilikus:

is there a way (and will it make less jumpy recordings) to increase the priority of mythbackend so that other processes running on the system dont interfere with it?

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Hilikus:

my recordings are not jumpy most of the time, but sometimes they are, and i think its because i was doing something else in the server

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godzirra:

fryfrog: is that correct?

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fryfrog:

godzirra: think of it this way – it takes 1 tuner to record or watch a live show.

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godzirra:

Ok. I assumed so but wanted to make sure.

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godzirra:

Ok, i've got an AMD 64 3500+ with 512 megs of ram. Do I need more ram? I assume the processor is ok?

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fryfrog:

hell no, not for SD

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fryfrog:

you could do SD with a 1ghz and 256mb ram prolly

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godzirra:

This is what i have: http://www.buy.com/prod/acer-aspire-ast180-de . . . 5714238.html

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fryfrog:

and put 2x PVR500s in it if you wanted, probably

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godzirra:

I thik I'm going to start with one pvr150, since it comes with a remote.

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godzirra:

And $40 isnt much of an investment if I don't like it for whatever reason.

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godzirra:

and then i need to see if I haev the old video card laying around. i'm pretty sure mine doesnt have svideo out.

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godzirra:

How much drive space does a recording take up?2A

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godzirra:

say, for 30 minutes?

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fryfrog:

1hr with a pvr150 is about 2.2G, but can be increased/decreased depending on the quality you want/need.

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godzirra:

ok.

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godzirra:

what quality is that?

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godzirra:

"normal"?

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fryfrog:

it is good quality

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fryfrog:

if the *source* isn't that great, you can lower the bitrate and/or resolution

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godzirra:

Well, the source is digital cable.

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godzirra:

not sure how good or bad it is.

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fryfrog:

prolly decent then :)

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godzirra:

ok.

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godzirra:

so I need to find out if I have a video card.

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mAd_Hoc:

dir

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fysa:

-bash: dir: command not found

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godzirra:

Apparently I threw out my old video cards. Bummer.

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godzirra:

fryfrog: you said an old gf4 ti4200 is plenty enough? Since it just needs to output?

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Yahooadam:

can anyone help with – http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6671

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fryfrog:

godzirra: yeah, that is what i use in my backend/frontend. My main front end is an amd3000+ w/ GF6100 and 1G ram

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fryfrog:

but it does HD (and 1g is a bit overkill for ram)

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directhex:

mpeg2 hd

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godzirra:

Wait... you say front end and backend... do I need two pc's?

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dr_lulz:

you can run both on one box

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godzirra:

ok.

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godzirra:

I imagine I have to have at least -1- open PCI slot. Hopefully 2.

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godzirra:

That was not a question as to whether i need one open.

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godzirra:

It was me wondering whether i have one open ;)

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directhex:

you could use USB tuners...

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stonith:

what happened to mythweather?

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directhex:

it brokeded

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gbee:

stonith: the source websites changed, breaking it – it's not being fixed since we've already replaced it with a new version in trunk

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gbee:

although having said that, the version in trunk is still in an alpha state

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Knopit:

gbee: If I have Mythweather working today, should I expect it to break soon?

[18:52:21]

gbee:

Knopit: no, if you are using 0.20 then chances are it's an unofficially patch package otherwise it would have broken months ago

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gbee:

if you are using trunk (0.21 development) then it should be working, but the interface needs a lot of work

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Knopit:

gbee: Whew! I was thinking "Oh no, It's not broken again."

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jams:

gbee- i should get you a screenshot of why mythweather doesn't work for me. it's quite the error message.

[18:57:08]

gbee:

jams: don't bother, I can probably guess what you are seeing

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jams:

big popup box with lots of perl nonsense about not finding a source for _ad_vjk3l_asdf

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jams:

?

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gbee:

the error sucks, but the underlying issue is that the screen you've chosen isn't supported by the grabber, it's on my list of things to improve

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jams:

or something close to that =)

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stonith:

gbee: thanks... is there a cvs version that I can upgrade to that is fixed?

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jams:

what? all the screens give that message

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gbee:

stonith: svn yeah, but we won't provide support for it and it's a bugger to setup

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jams:

ugh i'm going to continue to ignore it then

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gbee:

jams: ok, that shouldn't happen

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gbee:

jams: in that case, screenshots and description of what you are doing might help

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jams:

you should get ldunning back here and make him fix it ;)

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reclusivemonke1:

Hi all, I was in here about a week ago and there was someone who was building a Soundgraph iMON into his machine; anyone seen him? It was iamdragon or something I seem to recall :-S

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gbee:

could also be an installation issue

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gbee:

!seen iamdragon

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MythLogBot:

iamdragon has not been seen here

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gbee:

!seen iamadragon

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MythLogBot:

iamadragon has not been seen here

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** gbee shrugs **

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jams:

gbee- very possible, it involves perl and perl and myself NEVER seem to mix well.

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reclusivemonke1:

I'm not sure if that was his name gbee; he was helping a few people though so I presumed he was a regular...

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gbee:

reclusivemonke1: the nick seems familiar, think he is a semi-regular but I don't know him well

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reclusivemonke1:

AH HA!

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gbee:

heh

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reclusivemonke1:

lol there he is =]

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iamlindoro:

hey reclusivemonkey, you were having the Kworld 115 problems, right?

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reclusivemonke1:

hi iamlindoro; nope I was having the iMON problems :-S did you get yours to work?

[19:04:50]

iamlindoro:

ohhhh right

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iamlindoro:

sorry

[19:04:56]

iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

WITH a caveat

[19:05:21]

iamlindoro:

Which case do you have? Antec Fusion?

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reclusivemonke1:

I can live with caveats if the remote works! Its not one I have integrated into my case; I bought it as a standalone device

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iamlindoro:

Oh, hmmm... then I guess we probably have different models.. bummer... I got the imon from the Antec Fusion black which needed a patched driver

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reclusivemonke1:

did you uninstall lirc and compile from source?

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[miles]:

hi... guys, when scanning channels with scan, which will be imported as a channels.conf file , what format should the output file be in please? zap, vdr, pid ?

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iamlindoro:

I think I left it and just installed over it

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reclusivemonke1:

ok well at least that's something for me to try. are you using ubuntu?

[19:09:05]

iamlindoro:

yep

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reclusivemonke1:

ah right. I asked in ubuntu-mythtv and they were suggesting that if I tried to compile lirc, nothing would work but I found that a little odd...

[19:10:11]

iamlindoro:

The trouble I was running in to (it's my parent's box, so at their place) was that lirc would die after a few hours... still running, just stopped taking input

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Yahooadam:

lol

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iamlindoro:

every. Time.

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Yahooadam:

which version of feisty are you running monkey

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Yahooadam:

and did you follow the guide in the mythtv wiki ?

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reclusivemonke1:

Yahooadam: I'm not I am running the Gutsy Mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

reclusivemonkey, naw, it works ok, just do an apt-get build-dep lirc and it works just fine without a hitch

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reclusivemonke1:

iamlindoro: that's great, thanks I will try that

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Yahooadam:

lirc instructions on the wiki should still work fine

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Yahooadam:

even on gutsy

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iamlindoro:

let me know if I can do anything, sorry I can't be more specific

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reclusivemonke1:

iamlindoro: no that's great I have a lead now =]

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reclusivemonke1:

Yahooadam: I will grab you a link to the post on the Ubuntu forums so you can see my "case"...

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reclusivemonke1:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=579944

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fryfrog:

Does anyone know if one needs to / should monkey around with hdparm on sata (/dev/sd*) devices?

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j-rod:

fryfrog: sorry, stopped paying attention to this channel... only 1 mini @ home, we have a number more at the office. Built-in IR does work, and there are at least 40 unique IR codes for it, but I've not got around to actually setting it up (still using my mce receiver)

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iamlindoro:

reclusivemonkey, the other thing I noted:

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** j-rod goes back to ignoring channel **

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Yahooadam:

oh your using a display monkey

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Yahooadam:

no idea then :p

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reclusivemonke1:

Yahooadam: lol the display works fine! lcdproc was the easy bit :-S

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psymin:

I wonder if you could use compiz spinny cube for switching channels :)

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iamlindoro:

oops, wait, never mind

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iamlindoro:

psymin, the linuxmce devs will probably end up doing that, they seem to love spinny cubes :)

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** psymin grins. **

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psymin:

maybe if I had two frontends running on different desktops ..

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psymin:

anyway, anyone who is decoding h264 content on their frontend .. what type of hardware do you have?

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iamlindoro:

Sure, all you need is six monitors, some duct tape, and a weighted companion cube

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iamlindoro:

psymin, Q6600 Quad proc, 4GB DDR2, and an nVidia card... no real trouble on that system, but it's overkill

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psymin:

egad

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** iamlindoro wonders if he's the first to say weighted companion cube in #mythtv-users **

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psymin:

iamlindoro, what do you do with that much ram? Is there a way to use /dev/srm to speed up commercial zapping or something (assuming its a frontend/backend machine)?

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iamlindoro:

I bought it on $ale :) but yes, I suppose it doesn't hurt when I'm commflagging stuff

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[miles]:

ok I'm going crazy... http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2051/screenshotyn4.png anyone know why im seeing things like this please?

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[miles]:

"not in imported channel map" ??

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reclusivemonkey:

I'm getting this error when trying to compile the latest lirc which I have patched;

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reclusivemonkey:

configure: error: *** you need to have the Linux kernel source installed

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reclusivemonkey:

for this driver

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iamlindoro:

reclusive, let me see, it should be...

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reclusivemonkey:

but I have sudo aptitude install linux-source; anyone know what I am missing?

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iamlindoro:

sudo apt-get install kernel-source-`uname -r`

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siXy:

reclusivemonkey: you need the kernel headers

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reclusivemonkey:

ah headers, thanks

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iamlindoro:

sorry, didn't see you had gotten it in snaptic

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reclusivemonkey:

I used to run Slackware; compiling was so easy there!

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XLV:

reclusivemonkey, mainting packages was a bitch there though

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XLV:

maintaining

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reclusivemonkey:

XLV: there wasn't much outside the stock install I needed after installing dropline

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siXy:

my boss loves slackware :S keeps trying to persuade me to put slack on one of our servers but so far i have held him off :)

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reclusivemonkey:

Slackware is great for servers. Rock solid

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siXy:

reclusivemonkey: thats what he says. its the maintenance time that i'm not keen on

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reclusivemonkey:

siXy: what do you mean by maintenance? Once you get the hang of it you can make slackware packages quite easily. I guess it depends how much extra software you want to install on your server. Its excellent for learning Linux

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XLV:

if you arent going to use distrib packages, in slackware, ( there isnt that much selection either ) then why not a lfs install? in any case, thats how slackware installs end up to, when you just use checkinstall and do ./configure; make; checkinstall make install.. you got package descriptions that dont correspond to files in the install

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sPiN:

hello all.. i have not used mythtv since that free channel listing service ended

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XLV:

i have been running slack since 95.. recently went to ubuntu for desktop and debian for server

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sPiN:

what do you guys think of this www.schedulesdirect.org

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GreyFoxx:

sPiN: Works great for me

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GreyFoxx:

and $20 a year is cheap

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siXy:

reclusivemonkey: im past learning, i just want to run up2date and get on with my day. i dont have the time to do everything manually anymore

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GreyFoxx:

at least I considering it cheap :)

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iamlindoro:

SD is great

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reclusivemonkey:

siXy: yeah, time was the thing for me. My son took away my learning time ;-)

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siXy:

:)

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siXy:

they do that

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reclusivemonkey:

all worth it though

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sPiN:

yea price seems perfectly reasonable

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iamlindoro:

Also easier to use than Zap2It ever was

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sPiN:

how so?

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iamlindoro:

Selecting/Deselecting channels is a breeze... no more painful checkboxes

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iamlindoro:

that's my fave so far

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sPiN:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

Plus the whole site is just more intuitive on the whole... and I don't have to worry about getting the survey e-mail to make sure I keep my account active

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psymin:

$20 a year?! .. wow

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iamlindoro:

I kinda hope they end up with some extra cash to see how they put it back into the service and improve it

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reclusivemonkey:

blast, its still not working

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iamlindoro:

reclusive-monkey... any chance you've tried a sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc? No promises but it might be worth a shot... backup your lircd.conf first

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iamlindoro:

or even an apt-get install --reinstall lirc

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reclusivemonkey:

tried the dpkg-reconfigure; no luck. won't the reinstall undo what I did by installing over the patched version I just installed?

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iamlindoro:

well, if your version didn't work anyway, it's no harm :)

[20:35:38]

iamlindoro:

but yeah, basically

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reclusivemonkey:

meh I guess so

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siXy:

reclusivemonkey: if it still cannot find the source after installing the headers, you probably need to check where its looking. its proabbly loooking in the wrong place and you need a symlink

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reclusivemonkey:

siXy: I got the sources, I installed the source with patch

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siXy:

reclusivemonkey: ok, check where lirc expects the sources to be against where they actually are.

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reclusivemonkey:

siXy: how do I do that?

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siXy:

open the configure script with less and look for where its searching. or if you cant understand it paste it at rafb.net

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reclusivemonkey:

ok I'll try that

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iamlindoro:

Anyone know how tolerant ubuntu is to swapping out a different-chipset motherboard with like-type processors? ie, still i386, and pci cards, just new mobo chipset

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iamlindoro:

totally off-topic, of course

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siXy:

iamlindoro: sounds risky to me. esp. if the SB is different

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reclusivemonkey:

siXy: yeah all in the right place. I am pretty sure that the lirc source I patched compiled and installed fine, I didn't see any problems.

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siXy:

reclusivemonkey: so what error are you getting?

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iamlindoro:

ah well, will just give it a shot and see what happens, worst comes to worst I rebuiild the system... it's only a day old anyway

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reclusivemonkey:

siXy: just the same as before; no errors at all. everything looks to be ok, but irw doesn't report anything from the remote. lsusb says its there, and there are no errors in /var/log/messages and there is a /dev/lirc0 and a /dev/lircd

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siXy:

reclusivemonkey: oh i thought we were still on the not compiling thing ;)

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siXy:

run mode2 and press some buttons

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reclusivemonkey:

AH HA!!!! mode2 shows me something! woo hoo now we are making progress! =]

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iamlindoro:

that's good news

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siXy:

in that case you are missing a lirc.conf

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iamlindoro:

should be pretty simple from there

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reclusivemonkey:

I will check in /etc/lirc

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siXy:

[make/google for] one and plonk it in /etc/

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iamlindoro:

iamlindoro, that was my caveat, I had to do a new one with irrecord

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siXy:

then irw should show somehting

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iamlindoro:

er reclusive

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iamlindoro:

not talking to myself, duh

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siXy:

i did wonder about that :)

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iamlindoro:

Not that I don't, just not right NOW

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siXy:

:)

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Aval0n_:

hey guys, my buddy has a projector, and he wan't to be able to play mythmusic without turning it on

[21:35:44]

Aval0n_:

is there a way to play mp3/mp3 playlists with mythweb

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Aval0n_:

?

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iamlindoro:

Perhaps through mythcontrol... but there are better ways to do so without mythtv, I would think

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iamlindoro:

like mpd

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Aval0n_:

mpd?

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iamlindoro:

musicpd.org

[21:38:04]

Aval0n_:

ill check it out thank you

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iamlindoro:

And then a client of your choice

[21:39:23]

Aval0n_:

is there a windows client that will work?

[21:39:52]

iamlindoro:

Probably... and if not, use a webclient

[21:40:30]

iamlindoro:

Yes, looks like several windows clients

[21:41:09]

siXy:

to play mp3 playlists? i would say there are about 10 million windows clients for that....

[21:41:11]

gbee:

Aval0n_: in trunk, mythmusic has a neat little music interface where you can create playlists and then stream them with a suitable client

[21:42:06]

gbee:

not sure if it made it into 0.20

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siXy:

gbee: it didnt

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siXy:

only in trunk atm

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iamlindoro:

I think he just wants to be able to contact the mythbox and have it play on it's local sound card, though, right?

[21:42:47]

iamlindoro:

rather than stream to wherever he is?

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siXy:

or if it is in 0.20 ive still not found it :)

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Aval0n_:

this is what he wants to do

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gbee:

the network control interface, which again is exposed through mythweb in trunk, might work for that

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gbee:

never used the network control though, so I couldn't say what it can do and how good the UI in mythweb is

[21:45:18]

Aval0n_:

he wants to have the mythbox play it's music on the local sound card

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sPiN:

man lirc setup is a bastard

[21:45:22]

Aval0n_:

and control it from nother PC

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iamlindoro:

spin, what's your issue (and distro)? Once you've done it a ton of times it becomes less painful

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gbee:

Aval0n_: alternatively, if his frontend has an LCD (20x4 is best) then you can navigate the menus and see the currently playing track without turning on the TV/projector

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Aval0n_:

he doesn't have that

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directhex:

no, lirc setup is always a bastard, guaranteed, on any distro :(

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iamlindoro:

not at all

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Aval0n_:

lirc was a breeze for me

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Aval0n_:

:)

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clever[rev]:

painfull here

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directhex:

rs232 doesn't help

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Aval0n_:

i just got lucky

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Aval0n_:

yeah

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clever[rev]:

had to manualy input the io/irq for the port

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clever[rev]:

and repeat with transmiting enabled

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iamlindoro:

I noticed that the new ubuntu makes it *mostly* idiot-proof in common uses... but yeah, very custom setups can be tougher

[21:47:28]

sPiN:

ive done it once before... but having trouble now... opensuse 10.3.. i copied over the lircrc for my hauppauge card and also lircd.conf from the lirc sf project page

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directhex:

and ensure the port wasn't in use by something else linuxy?

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gbee:

directhex: dunno, some distros now have much better packages which avoid many of the problems that used to exist with lirc setup

[21:47:45]

directhex:

gbee, sod it, i'm never using lirc again

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clever[rev]:

the design of lirc is a problem

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sPiN:

one is in etc and the other in my home dir.. the device does not appear to be created.. it uses i2c.. /me checks for modules being loaded

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clever[rev]:

the driver you use(and io/irq) are compiled into the moduke

[21:48:08]

clever[rev]:

so to make a binary package you need 500 different modules

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directhex:

clever[rev], lirc's design is very good. as long as you think 2.2 kernel is modern

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clever[rev]:

lol

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clever[rev]:

it needs to be rewriten a bit to handle setting the ioport/irq on module load

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gbee:

directhex: I wouldn't want to give up on a proper remote – wireless keyboards and other control devices are fine, but few beat a good remote

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clever[rev]:

and allow building all driver modules

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clever[rev]:

im using a mini keyboard(laptop sized) and 20feet of keyboard extensions

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clever[rev]:

lirc is just for the ir blaster

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directhex:

gbee, i'm still hoping someone will release a less crap version of my ps3 remote driver

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gbee:

clever[rev]: some of that sort of stuff has already been addressed by packagers, after installing Mandriva 2007 on a frontend I had lirc working instantly

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clever[rev]:

also a #warning in the source said to setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none

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clever[rev]:

to disable the inkernel serial driver

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clever[rev]:

which i bearly caught as it compiled

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Aval0n_:

i am usso is mpd this best solution for him?

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Aval0n_:

I don't have a problem having my tv on to view the music but he doesn't wanna burn time on the projector bulb to listen to music

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clever[rev]:

the automated methods that would work best for the current lirc source

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clever[rev]:

is to auto build it with the proper options

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clever[rev]:

which gentoo is designed for(and probly better at)

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iamlindoro:

That's kinda up to him, but it is a bit more mature than myth's alternative

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iamlindoro:

for now

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Aval0n_:

cool

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Aval0n_:

thank you sir

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Aval0n_:

the web based clients it has

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Aval0n_:

how does that work

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Aval0n_:

if he's using a win machine

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Aval0n_:

like ampache

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iamlindoro:

the web clients run on the mpd server... you just connect to the mythbox using a web browser and control it with a web interface

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Aval0n_:

excellent

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Aval0n_:

thanks a lot

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reclusivemonkey:

well I am a little closer but not quite there yet. Thanks for all your help iamlindoro and siXy and anyone else I forgot. I am going to have another go at the weekend!

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siXy:

reclusivemonkey: what you need now is a ~/.mythtv/lircrc file

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siXy:

just a hint :)

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reclusivemonkey:

siXy: I am having other problems. I can just about get irrecord to create me a lircd.conf, but LCDd is going crazy now :-S

[22:04:31]

Aval0n_:

my case has an lcd screen on it

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Aval0n_:

I wonder if I could display mp3 names to it

[22:04:45]

Aval0n_:

it has like fan animations though

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reclusivemonkey:

does mythlcdserver display the current track?

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CaptObviousman:

waaaait a second, mythlcdserver?

[22:06:26]

CaptObviousman:

jesus that sounds cool

[22:06:36]

iamlindoro:

yes, I believe it does

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reclusivemonkey:

CaptObviousman: it shows you the name of the program you are watching, and the menu option you are on in myth when navigating the menus

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reclusivemonkey:

and apparently the name of the mp3 playing =] It will probably show you the movie name playing as well then I presume

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CaptObviousman:

damn that is cool

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iamlindoro:

although haven't gotten that working with mplayer as player... bet it would with internal though

[22:09:25]

reclusivemonkey:

iamlindoro: I've found the internal player is very polished now; I use for all my movies

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iamlindoro:

theoretically I am using mplayer SVN because it's supposed to support the video files from my ripped blu-ray disks... too bad it doesn't :)

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reclusivemonkey:

ah, the bleeding edge ;-) I'm still on an old cathode ray TV and DVD rips!

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iamlindoro:

Well, not entirely true... the video seems to work for a second... until it gets to the start of audio and it asplode

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directhex:

YOUR HEAD A SPLODE

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iamlindoro:

exactly ;)

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reclusivemonkey:

ok guys I'm off cya later

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iamlindoro:

That said, maybe I'll try a new svn build of mplayer and see where it's at... Want to replace some of my mythvideo stuff with HD versions

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GreyFoxx:

Can you supposedly play the commercial disks with it now?

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iamlindoro:

Allegedly... well, after circumventing AACS

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GreyFoxx:

So you have to rip it first? No libdecss type stuff yet ?

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iamlindoro:

My last experience (ripping the movies on AnyDVD HD, then moving them to the mythbox) with trying to play a Blu-ray file started... then choked once audio began

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iamlindoro:

yeah, have to rip it

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GreyFoxx:

bah

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iamlindoro:

and they're HUGE... I would rather transcode down to 5–7 GB or so, but there doesn't seem to be a solution for that either

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GreyFoxx:

That's pretty why I'm waitingbefore the move to either of the new standards

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iamlindoro:

So it eats 25–50 GB

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iamlindoro:

which is more than I'm willing to waste on one movie

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iamlindoro:

But still, just for the sheer giddy joy of watching 1080p movies on my mythbox, I'm willing to give it a shot

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

once a better method of "live" playback from disk comes along I'll get ready for the move. Until then I'm not willing to let them control how/where I watch stuff I buy

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iamlindoro:

Well, I agree with you... which is why I'd rather transcode what I pull out of the thing and put it where I want... I think they're probably still a number of months from that in mencoder, though

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GreyFoxx:

heh I've got "most" of my DVD's encoded now. I think what I'd rather do is find a multidisk changer (usb2 would be nice) and move to that route rather than rip any more I get

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tzanger:

wtf

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tzanger:

my mysql database sudenly decides to corrupt

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tzanger:

dupe rows in multiple tables, all kinds of weird shit

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adante:

whats the standar way of customizing remotes where the up/down/left/right also act as channel/volume control?

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adante:

i had this setup for my old remote but i forgot how i did it..

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GreyFoxx:

adante: I think most people do that in their .lircrc config file

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tzanger:

backend system has been working fine for over a year, no changes... no reboots or even lgoins in the last 30 days... weird

[22:33:57]

tzanger:

mysql is teh suck

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adante:

as in, the keys would 'do what i want' when i wanted

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GreyFoxx:

Bah, I've been running mysql 24x7 on hundreds (literally) of systems in the last 7 years and never had that happen

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adante:

GreyFoxx: hm, they were able to make things context sensitive in the lircrc?

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GreyFoxx:

In fact only correuption I've ever had was from improperly shutdown machines

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GreyFoxx:

And before any postgress/oracle lovers jump up, I've seen the same corruption during powerloss with them

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GreyFoxx:

but with oracle I was able to rollback the last change and restore it :)

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GreyFoxx:

adante: No, but my default up/down keys are channel up/.down in myth so you don't need to alter those

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iamlindoro:

adante, sure, just change the keybindings so that they're the same, ie up maps to both chanup and "UP" in menus

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GreyFoxx:

volumes would be another matter though

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GreyFoxx:

err by default I mean, not "my" default :)

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iamlindoro:

things will get screwy when you go to the program guide in live tv and press right/left to navigate

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GreyFoxx:

\

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iamlindoro:

at least, I would thiink they would

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** GreyFoxx ponders setting up hibernate modes and wake up on USB on his box **

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tzanger:

both mysql and mythbackend are running, netstat -apn shows they're both listening on 0.0.0.0, why would a frontend not be able to see a backend in this case?

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GreyFoxx:

Is it saying specifically it can't see the backend? Do you see anything in the backends logs ?

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tzanger:

that's all it's saying, it can't see the backend

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GreyFoxx:

Not running SVN with the upnp autodiscovery stuff ?

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tzanger:

nothing I can see in the logs

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tzanger:

no not svn

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GreyFoxx:

k

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tzanger:

1.whatever -fixes

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GreyFoxx:

gotcha

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tzanger:

er 0.20-fixes

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cappycdn:

http://pastebin.com/d3750ae4f <--- error building mythtv on a gentoo box any help would be appreciated

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tzanger:

the system (front+backend) have been working for months without a change

[22:39:54]

tzanger:

mysql corrupts its own ass and now I'm here... heh

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GreyFoxx:

tzanger: Hmmm, can you run tcpdump and sniff on th ebackend to see if you see the traffic hitting the backends interface ?

[22:40:00]

tzanger:

might just have to re-set up the entire thing

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GreyFoxx:

got any recent database backups ?

[22:40:18]

tzanger:

I don't trust mysql for saving my grocery list much less a huge db

[22:40:30]

tzanger:

GreyFoxx: unfortunately not, never thought I'd leave mythtv running for so long :/

[22:40:35]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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tzanger:

after this debacle I will be doing nightly backups and keeping a week's worth

[22:41:13]

GreyFoxx:

I do that now. nightly backups getting rotateed and compressed nightly

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tzanger:

bah

[22:41:21]

tzanger:

I'm zapping the entire db and starting over

[22:41:24]

tzanger:

what crap. :-(

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GreyFoxx:

If anything it's handy to go back and compare settings if I forget something I changed

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tzanger:

GreyFoxx: exactly

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GreyFoxx:

a quick diff on the INSERT INTO settings lines makes it easy to find what I might have broken heh

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fryfrog:

In Ubuntu, does anyone know how to change the number of desktops you have?

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psymin:

fryfrog, I would *guess* gnome-control-center or whatever thats called

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adante:

iamlindoro, GreyFoxx: yeah it's the volume ones i'm trying to figure out now

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adante:

i know its do-able because i did it last time, just can't remember how heh

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog, right click the desktop previews in the lower right, choose preferences

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fryfrog:

i got it from #ubuntu, it is in compiz settings since i'm using compiz

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xand:

DBHostName is not set to localhost in mysql.txt but I'm getting this when I run mythfrontend (on a machine that isn't the backend):

[23:25:11]

xand:

Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

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xand:

why'd that happen? it was working fine the other day :|

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tzanger:

xand: what are you getting?

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xand:

the above line... can't connect to database

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tzanger:

shit, just rebooted my backend instead of my frontend

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tzanger:

fuckity fuck fuck

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xand:

:S

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xand:

sigh... doesn't work on another machine either, wtf is going on

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xand:

backend must be fine as web interface works and it's recording :(

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tzanger:

how would a person set a channel to be visible only one some frontends and not others?

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tzanger:

I can set a channel's visible status but that seems to be global

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fryfrog:

tzanger: i don't think you can do that

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SoulBlade:

what's the best livecd for a dual p2 system and hauppage wintv pvr usb 2 – it has 'good support' in .20 i think

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SoulBlade:

i dont really want a painful setup.. so im hoping there's a good livecd

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tank-man:

why not use what you have now and update just mythtv

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SoulBlade:

hehe cuz im running windows on it ;)

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SoulBlade:

i figured a livecd would do the whole format / setup bit

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