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[00:29:36] | venger: | 1 hour 33 minutes, not a single NVP: prebuffering pause =) |
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[00:43:14] | Bearcat: | I have an m-audio 1010lt. I has xlr inputs for the first 2 inputs. Is there a way i can make my system think that inputs 3/4 are actually 1/2 so i can connect my dishnetwork box to 2/3 and make apps (mythtv) happy? |
[00:43:28] | Bearcat: | or is there a way i can force mythtv to look at inputs 3/4? |
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[01:08:45] | rushfan: | Anyone here use mytharchive? |
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[01:45:48] | baver: | Trying to get an Avermedia UltraTV 1500 MCE tuner card to work. Followed the wiki entry for M150-D, but cx88-blackbird can't find a device. Anyone have any further suggestions? ivtv recognizes it, but scanning for channels yields ... no channels. |
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[01:55:24] | venger: | baver, does lspci list it? |
[01:55:59] | venger: | my bad u said ivtv sees it |
[01:56:33] | baver: | venger: turns out I needed to set cardtype=16 in modprobe.conf for it |
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[01:59:12] | baver: | venger: now it's working, but the channels are all grey & noisy |
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[02:05:47] | venger: | did you recently split your cable line for it? |
[02:06:39] | baver: | no. it was working fine in Windows MCE. |
[02:07:49] | venger: | dunno man it could be a multitude of things |
[02:08:07] | venger: | isn't that cx88-blackbird module pretty young? |
[02:08:40] | baver: | dunno |
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[02:10:29] | venger: | did you try cat /dev/video0 > foo.mpeg and play it with a player? |
[02:10:49] | baver: | I tried mplayer /dev/video0 ... I get nothing but noise (worse than in mythtv) |
[02:11:07] | baver: | bttv-gallery.de has it using cx88, not ivtv |
[02:11:10] | baver: | hmm |
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[02:11:44] | venger: | what about video1? |
[02:12:05] | my2keh: | anyone know why Xorg would reject Modes "1366x768" but accept Modes "1280x720" ? |
[02:13:15] | venger: | my2keh, the X log should tell you |
[02:13:52] | my2keh: | yeah, says it's not valid |
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[02:14:06] | baver: | venger: no video1 ... output from dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/739337 |
[02:14:41] | baver: | and it's not PAL, as I just noted it thinks it is |
[02:14:43] | my2keh: | but it should be, I even tried 1360x765 as was mentioned in the AVS Forums |
[02:15:31] | baver: | my2keh: video card not support it? |
[02:16:12] | venger: | my2keh, ignore EDID? |
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[02:16:58] | my2keh: | baver>> it should... |
[02:17:07] | venger: | which i think you could just run X -configure > /tmp/X.log and see what it detects |
[02:17:13] | my2keh: | venger>> useedid isn't set to true |
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[02:20:44] | Der_Thomas: | hey, anyone know if the de-interlacers (like bob 2x frame rate) come with myth or if I need to install them seterately? |
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[02:26:30] | my2keh: | i think they come with myth |
[02:26:43] | adante: | hi |
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[02:27:33] | adante: | i'm trying to run mythtv-setup in ubuntu but it keeps segfaulting |
[02:28:05] | adante: | when it prompts you to run mythfilldatabase, that should happen AFTER mythtv-setup is run right? |
[02:28:41] | Yahooadam: | yes |
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[02:30:33] | Der_Thomas: | my2keh: you know if there is anyway to know if they are working? |
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[02:53:25] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
[02:53:35] | Hilikus: | are cookies supported by mythbrowser? |
[02:53:40] | Der_Thomas: | hi |
[02:53:57] | Der_Thomas: | ?? probably since it is basically Konqueror |
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[03:03:50] | Hilikus: | when i try to access google calendar it complains that cookies are off, how do i turn them on? |
[03:04:14] | Der_Thomas: | do you run KDE and konqueror? |
[03:04:25] | Hilikus: | no, gnome and opera |
[03:04:38] | Der_Thomas: | I'd try opening konqueror (as the user that myth runs as) and turn on cookies |
[03:04:50] | Der_Thomas: | its easy to find in the perference menu |
[03:05:14] | Hilikus: | so you think the settings are shared? |
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[03:06:04] | Der_Thomas: | in KDE everything is modular (they call them kparts I think) and I think that myth browser is just a konqueror kpart inbeded in myth |
[03:06:28] | Hilikus: | ok |
[03:08:08] | Hilikus: | i actualy dont have konqueror installed so i cant run it |
[03:08:21] | Der_Thomas: | really? |
[03:08:32] | Der_Thomas: | maybe I'm wrong |
[03:09:01] | Der_Thomas: | try running kcontrol |
[03:09:57] | Hilikus: | again, im using gnome, i dont have kcontrol either |
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[03:10:30] | Der_Thomas: | yeah I guess that you just have the libraries installed to compile mythbrowser |
[03:10:39] | Hilikus: | yep |
[03:10:54] | Der_Thomas: | do you have a /opt/kde or /usr/kde? |
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[03:12:25] | Hilikus: | opt/kde3 but theres only an empty directory inside |
[03:12:52] | Der_Thomas: | OK, what about ~/.kde? |
[03:13:12] | Der_Thomas: | in the mythuser's $home |
[03:13:52] | Hilikus: | yep |
[03:14:09] | Hilikus: | cache socket tmp share |
[03:15:15] | Der_Thomas: | got a ~/.kde/share/config with any files in it? |
[03:16:31] | Hilikus: | yep |
[03:16:43] | Hilikus: | theres a mythbrowsererrc |
[03:17:15] | Der_Thomas: | ok, there is probably a better way to do this, but it is probably there |
[03:18:05] | Hilikus: | what do i write there? |
[03:18:18] | Der_Thomas: | good q... |
[03:18:21] | Hilikus: | theres only 1 option there |
[03:18:33] | Der_Thomas: | I'm looking through my stuff to see if I have something |
[03:19:25] | Hilikus: | thx |
[03:23:38] | Der_Thomas: | jeez, I can't find anything |
[03:23:38] | linagee: | is there a reason why there's no house on tonight? are tv producers in some sort of idiot cycle again? :( |
[03:24:01] | Der_Thomas: | sorry Hillkus |
[03:24:06] | Hilikus: | :S |
[03:24:11] | Hilikus: | ok, thanks |
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[03:50:18] | degreseven: | will svn trunk plugins work with stable mythtv? |
[03:50:45] | GreyFoxx: | no |
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[03:51:39] | degreseven: | damn. stable mythmusic won't work for me- gives me mad decoder error 5. svn mythmusic works fine, but recording playback is broken for me =( |
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[04:15:15] | leprechau: | so....i have mythtv running all seems okay....but I can't get my remote to work with myth |
[04:15:22] | leprechau: | everything shows up right in irw |
[04:15:51] | leprechau: | but nothing happens in myth...and I made a ~/.lircrc ... ~/.mythtv/lircrc .... and even a ~/.mythtv/.lircrc |
[04:16:30] | xris: | did you compile lirc support into mythtv? |
[04:17:17] | leprechau: | I believe so |
[04:17:24] | leprechau: | is there anyway to check post facto? |
[04:18:11] | kormoc: | the output the frontend gives when starting up in a terminal |
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[04:19:34] | MitoTranin: | Captain_Murdoch: are you around? |
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[04:23:35] | Chicago: | Do we have any listings' services integrated which are working anymore...? |
[04:25:35] | tank-man: | zap2xml or SD |
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[04:26:30] | kormoc: | Chicago, Schedulesdirect.org works quite well |
[04:27:39] | Chicago: | kormoc: tank-man: I used to use DataDirect on Zap2It... |
[04:28:10] | Chicago: | So, checking out in mythtv-setup with "North America (SchedulesDirect.org) (Internal)"... I'm wondering, what's "Internal?" |
[04:28:22] | kormoc: | it's a built in grabber |
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[04:28:57] | Chicago: | kormoc: I was thrown off with the developer speak in the GUI... I was thinking the "Internal" meant something completely different... |
[04:29:37] | Chicago: | But... of course the SchedulesDirect homepage says, "provides raw U.S./Canadian tv listing data to Free and Open Source Applications." |
[04:29:45] | Chicago: | :-) |
[04:29:58] | Chicago: | Oh, $hit... not free? |
[04:30:55] | kormoc: | nopers |
[04:31:03] | kormoc: | it's as cheap as can be, but it does cost money |
[04:31:11] | Kazan: | $20/year |
[04:31:19] | OccamRazor: | where does mythtv-setup save settings? |
[04:31:25] | Kazan: | your database |
[04:31:48] | Chicago: | OccamRazor in the database as Kazan says... but also with other data for connectivity to the database in ~/.mythtv |
[04:32:08] | OccamRazor: | which table? can't find it – doesn't look like it's settings |
[04:32:23] | Kazan: | what piece of information are you looking for |
[04:32:50] | Kazan: | pretty much everything you setup in mythtv-setup is capture card, input source, etc so it's going to be in those tables |
[04:32:56] | Chicago: | kormoc: Are there any downstream mirrors from SchedulesDirect which are less expensive/free? |
[04:32:59] | OccamRazor: | I moved my recording storage and now my frontend says it can't find anything over myth:// |
[04:33:02] | Kazan: | kormoc: no |
[04:33:06] | Kazan: | erg |
[04:33:13] | Kazan: | Chicago: no, they would be illegal |
[04:33:32] | ** Kazan gets his extra-massive trout of justice out..... ** | |
[04:33:41] | ** Kazan slaps Chicago around a bit with a large trout ** | |
[04:33:52] | Chicago: | Kazan: What if MythBrowser scraped the tvguide data? |
[04:34:02] | Kazan: | unreliable, potentially illegal |
[04:34:08] | Kazan: | just pay the bloody $20 |
[04:34:16] | Kazan: | SD is a 501(c)3 |
[04:34:17] | Chicago: | Kazan: I'm not in on the cut for the $20... |
[04:34:29] | OccamRazor: | I've changed the location in mythtv-setup, but the frontend (which is a different machine) looks like it hasn't picked it up |
[04:34:31] | Chicago: | What if there was MythOCR to read my newspaper TV listings? |
[04:34:41] | OccamRazor: | can still watch recordings, but there's no info on them |
[04:34:42] | Kazan: | it goes to pay for the listings (They have to buy them from TMS now) and operating costs |
[04:34:54] | Kazan: | Chicago: *rolleyes* |
[04:34:57] | ** Kazan points at the door ** | |
[04:35:10] | Chicago: | Goodbye, and I can help myself out the door. |
[04:35:28] | Kazan: | we need to add "don't complain about $20/year" to the /topic |
[04:35:48] | OccamRazor: | no kidding |
[04:36:15] | Kazan: | if reliable listings aren't worth $20/year to you... or you can't pay $20/year.. then you shouldn't be using a DVR |
[04:36:51] | Kazan: | yeah... i just love hear stories about the days of using scrappers.. half the information being bad and the other half missing :D |
[04:38:30] | Chicago: | By the way, the MythTV ebuild leaves crap in my /usr/portage/distfiles directory because of using SVN. This screws up my http-replicator which caches sources files. |
[04:38:47] | Kazan: | talk to the person who made the ebuild |
[04:38:50] | Kazan: | it's their fault |
[04:39:06] | Kazan: | the mythtv team does not maintain distro-specific things |
[04:39:49] | Kazan: | anyway.. i'm back to bed |
[04:39:56] | Chicago: | Have a good one. :) |
[04:40:17] | OccamRazor: | is it expected for the mythtv-setup "storage directories" option to show up on the master backend and not slaves? |
[04:41:02] | Chicago: | OccamRazor: If you're only placing your encoders on the master backend... then none of the slaves should host files naturally unless you do transcoding jobs with them. |
[04:41:31] | Chicago: | OccamRazor: Otherwise, export NFS trees on your slaves and as your master to use them. |
[04:41:36] | OccamRazor: | I have encoders on my slaves, but they write to nfs |
[04:42:49] | xris: | OccamRazor: I think they'll show up if the directories exist.. otherwise, the slave would get its own directories |
[04:43:05] | OccamRazor: | good. so what would cause a frontend to give "file not found" when asking for myth://somefile.mpg? |
[04:43:25] | OccamRazor: | but it can play that recording |
[04:43:27] | xris: | does it exist on the backend that the db says it does? |
[04:43:32] | OccamRazor: | yep |
[04:43:43] | xris: | what do you mean. either you get file not found, or it plays.. shouldn't get both |
[04:43:56] | xris: | unless it's in verbose mode and just reporting that it can't find the file locally |
[04:44:02] | Chicago: | Is is possible the "file not found" is coming from another slave? |
[04:44:11] | OccamRazor: | all my recordings play, but when I hit right on the remote to change the schedule or something, it doesn't find it |
[04:44:57] | OccamRazor: | as a bit of background, I changed my storage location recently |
[04:45:15] | OccamRazor: | 2007-10–16 21:25:23.713 PlaybackBox::showActions(): Error, myth://10.0.0.49:6543/1004_20071016210000.mpg file not found |
[04:45:40] | OccamRazor: | that's what the frontend says when I hit right |
[04:45:43] | Chicago: | Is .49 your master backend? |
[04:45:48] | OccamRazor: | yes |
[04:46:16] | Chicago: | What are the permissions on 1004_20071016210000.mpg? |
[04:47:15] | OccamRazor: | hrm: no such file... |
[04:47:16] | OccamRazor: | brb |
[04:48:02] | Chicago: | Where are the free illegal schedulesdirect servers? |
[04:48:15] | xris: | huh? |
[04:48:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | in showActions, the frontend asks the backend if the file exists, so if you're getting that error, the backend is telling the frontend that it can't locate that file. |
[04:48:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | if the filename doesn't start with "myth://" then the frontend just looks for the file locally instead and doesn't ask the backend. |
[04:49:26] | OccamRazor: | seems that I've restarted my frontend and backends enough, all back to normal |
[04:49:33] | OccamRazor: | thanks for the help everyone |
[04:50:47] | leprechau: | it is compiled in |
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[04:50:58] | leprechau: | it is just not using my remote :/ |
[04:51:05] | Chicago: | xris: According to the GPL... I believe SchedulesDirect must provide free copies EVERY TIME they do a test which merges our source tree with their "changes"... |
[04:51:15] | Chicago: | Specifically, I believe that happens each time they SYNC. |
[04:51:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | MitoTranin: I'm here now, but not for long. |
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[04:51:49] | ** Captain_Murdoch watches Chicago show how little he knows about certain things. ** | |
[04:52:08] | mzb_d800: | there are grabbers for all sorts of services ... afaik it really depends on _your_ country |
[04:52:12] | Chicago: | Captain_Murdoch: I have no other argument otherwise. :( |
[04:52:19] | mzb_d800: | Chicago ^ |
[04:52:21] | GreyFoxx: | Chig: what source are you talking about? SD doesn't provide any source or apps, just access to data |
[04:52:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | Chicago: then you have no argument at all. :) |
[04:53:10] | Chicago: | In general the eight page GPL indicates if you release something "GPL" then use it for profit and change it internally, then you must make available your changes. |
[04:53:25] | xris: | Chicago: wtf are you talking about? SD doesn't have anything that touches the GPL |
[04:53:30] | GreyFoxx: | SD doesn't release anything, let alone as GPL |
[04:53:40] | GreyFoxx: | Mythtv != SD |
[04:53:45] | xris: | SD distributes data, not code |
[04:53:45] | ** Captain_Murdoch debates whether to respond to Brian Phillips on the -users list since he didn't even bother to look at the JobQueue settings page before asking if you can tell the JobQueue to only run jobs during a certain time period of the day. ** | |
[04:53:48] | mzb_d800: | aren't you talking about scheduling info? |
[04:54:11] | ** GreyFoxx looks at the clock and realizes it's way past bedtime ** | |
[04:54:24] | mzb_d800: | compare the situation in .au ... where that info is classed as copyright |
[04:54:47] | mzb_d800: | does that help perspective? |
[04:55:33] | Chicago: | mzb_d800: I really don't have an argument... I'm just trying to make a case. |
[04:55:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | you're doing a very very poor job. |
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[04:56:36] | Chicago: | I will refer to the SchedulesDirect data as an "Incremental Update" which SD provides for a fee to GPL code. |
[04:56:38] | xris: | mzb_d800: actually the stuff SD provides is copyrighted to TMS... have to read the subscriber agreement carefully to see exactly how you're allowed to use the data |
[04:56:51] | xris: | Chicago: what are you talking about? |
[04:56:55] | mzb_d800: | Chicago: not enough legs to stand on? |
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[04:57:01] | xris: | the data has nothing to do with the code. |
[04:57:23] | xris: | and the data SD provides is free.. you just have to be a subscribing member to access it. |
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[04:57:38] | Chicago: | xris: Why, because it looks like TV info in ASCII, 8859–1 or UTF?... They are still just bits of ones and zeros... code. |
[04:57:53] | xris: | Chicago: except... it's not source code. |
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[04:58:35] | Chicago: | I'd have to hope for a dumb jury with my case. |
[04:58:39] | Chicago: | Lol |
[04:58:54] | Chicago: | My reaction to this project losing DataDirect is unfortunately dismal. |
[04:58:55] | kormoc: | Chicago, http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+code |
[04:59:20] | xris: | Chicago: you're also arguing with people directly involved with SD (and in my case, one of the board members) |
[04:59:34] | Chicago: | I know of the foundation. :) |
[04:59:36] | kormoc: | Chicago, uuh, everyone lost datadirect due to the community breaking the rules they requested |
[04:59:50] | kormoc: | it's not like it was just this project... |
[05:00:11] | Chicago: | Well, I hope Knight Ridder might reconsider in the future. |
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[05:01:05] | xris: | unfortunately, I doubt that TMS would reconsider now that they know they can at least make a little money off of us. |
[05:01:16] | Chicago: | Hmm... |
[05:01:19] | xris: | granted, we've overwhelmed them with tech support requests |
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[05:01:26] | ShockValue: | is there a web interfact to mythtv that allows you to control it like a remote control? (not mythweb, more like playing programs, moving around the menus, etc) |
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[05:01:31] | ShockValue: | interface |
[05:01:32] | Chicago: | What kind of commission do I earn as a reseller that wants to rebrand the distribution? |
[05:01:39] | xris: | ShockValue: you mean mythweb (look in svn) |
[05:01:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | Chicago: Knight Ridder doesn't exist anymore and what do they have to do with this anyway? |
[05:02:01] | ShockValue: | mythweb will now act as a remote control too? |
[05:02:21] | Chicago: | Captain_Murdoch: The Zap2It service was provided by them and I haven't had listings since... |
[05:02:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | you are even more clueless than I originally thought |
[05:02:35] | xris: | ShockValue: I added basic support a few months ago.. I won't consider it finished until the frontend can take a screencap of itself, though.. and no one seems to know how to make that happen. |
[05:02:46] | xris: | Chicago: zap2it is TMS |
[05:02:57] | xris: | and SD still gets their data from zap2it |
[05:03:08] | ShockValue: | i'd like to try and use my little pocketPC as a remote control. my harmony remote is dead |
[05:03:12] | Chicago: | kormoc: What community rules were broken? Did people sell boxes already subscribed? |
[05:03:19] | kormoc: | Chicago, yes |
[05:03:31] | Captain_Murdoch: | Knight Ridder was a newpaper company, they had nothing to do with listings aggregation excep the fact that they used listings services. |
[05:03:57] | xris: | Chicago: not mythtv... take a look at the SD login page for an idea. |
[05:04:19] | xris: | Chicago: there were also commercial products telling their users to get logins from Z2L |
[05:04:23] | mzb_d800: | ShockValue: tried the telnet interface? |
[05:04:48] | ShockValue: | no, but i assume thats more command line? |
[05:04:53] | xris: | ShockValue: you need to make sure that your frontend has the remote control (telnet) interface enabled.. but it's pretty easy to script out. |
[05:05:03] | xris: | that's all I do with mythweb. connect to the telnet interface and issue commands. |
[05:05:24] | ShockValue: | well right, but i dont want to issue commands with a stylus from the command line :D |
[05:05:24] | Chicago: | In general, $20 is steep considering I pay hours of my time to setup MythTV boxes for free so my friends can see how cool it is to for fun. |
[05:05:40] | ShockValue: | you pay hours of your time? |
[05:05:42] | kormoc: | Chicago, feel free to find something else |
[05:05:53] | ShockValue: | thats pretty backwards logic IMHO |
[05:06:03] | Chicago: | kormoc: I'd rather get a commission and sell for $50! Is that possible? |
[05:06:17] | kormoc: | Chicago, sell what? |
[05:06:43] | Chicago: | Well, lets suppose a customer buys SchedulesDirect for $20.... and I have 5 customers and want to sell them for $5 each... |
[05:06:43] | mzb_d800: | ShockValue: what model is your ppc? |
[05:06:46] | Chicago: | Is that logical? |
[05:07:10] | xris: | Chicago: if it's not worth $0.06 per day to use MythTV, then don't sign up for SD. pretty simple. |
[05:07:15] | kormoc: | Chicago, negative. part of the requirements of TMS is that it's one person per account |
[05:07:15] | ShockValue: | toshiba e740 |
[05:07:39] | kormoc: | Chicago, all doing that will do is cause TMS to pull from SD, and then there will be no listings |
[05:08:00] | xris: | or the more likely scenario of SD cancelling/banning your account, and keeping your money. |
[05:08:04] | Chicago: | kormoc: I might have been unclear. How do the dollars feeding into SD get poured out? |
[05:08:14] | mzb_d800: | ShockValue: flash with familiar | oe ;) |
[05:08:23] | mzb_d800: | s/flash/run from SD/ |
[05:08:38] | kormoc: | Chicago, SD is a non-profit, it's purely running costs |
[05:08:44] | ShockValue: | mzb_d800 i dun understand what you mean |
[05:08:46] | Chicago: | Okay. |
[05:08:49] | xris: | Chicago: what do you mean? Money into SD -> Money to TMS + money to FOSS development + money to SD infrastructure |
[05:08:53] | Chicago: | kormoc: I understand. |
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[05:08:55] | kormoc: | Chicago, hence the price breaks when subscriber goals have been meet |
[05:09:05] | mzb_d800: | ShockValue: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary |
[05:09:08] | adante: | any aussies here |
[05:09:09] | propagandhi: | howdy, does anybody here know if the Logitech Harmony remotes work with LiRC? |
[05:09:18] | mzb_d800: | adante: yep |
[05:09:22] | Chicago: | kormoc: So can a commercial MythTV box be sold along with a $20 subscription? |
[05:09:26] | adante: | mzb_d800: using shepherd grabber by any chance |
[05:09:28] | ShockValue: | propagandhi: yes they do. |
[05:09:30] | mzb_d800: | yes |
[05:09:36] | propagandhi: | ShockValue: does the 525 work? |
[05:09:41] | adante: | mzb_d800: whereabouts are you? |
[05:09:44] | kormoc: | Chicago, end user can subscribe sure, but currently no resellers are allowed |
[05:09:45] | mzb_d800: | tas |
[05:09:53] | xris: | Chicago: read the SD subscriber agreement, it's pretty clear how the service can be used. |
[05:09:56] | adante: | mzb_d800: my abc tv is filled with "To Be Advised" data |
[05:10:04] | ShockValue: | propagandhi: i use the 688, it works OK |
[05:10:06] | adante: | hm but then 'In all States, except Tasmania, please find program information for this timeslot listed under NSW.' |
[05:10:09] | mzb_d800: | hmm, I'll check mine |
[05:10:19] | Chicago: | kormoc: xris: You're shuffling me of to RTFM? I thought you guys want more subscribers? I'm already ready to pay. |
[05:10:26] | ShockValue: | well it did at least until all the buttuns started crappingout.. now the "OK" and "PLAY" buttons no longer work |
[05:10:43] | Chicago: | Bottom line, I'd like to know if I need to sign my mom up with an account on her credit card... and then my friend up with his... so he gets billed... |
[05:10:50] | mzb_d800: | adante: filled? Mine looks ok so far |
[05:11:02] | xris: | Chicago: I can't interpret the SA (or any other SD policies) for you. because I helped write them, my interpretations could be held to be legally binding, and a typo on my part could turn out bad for SD. |
[05:11:42] | xris: | easier to just point people to the docs they'd have to read to sign up, anyway. it's a bad idea to agree to something you haven't read, anyway. |
[05:11:43] | kormoc: | Chicago, if you are helping them sign up, sure |
[05:11:50] | mzb_d800: | adante: I seem to have valid data till Tues |
[05:12:09] | adante: | mzb_d800: hum, odd |
[05:12:13] | Tanthrix: | Chicago: I would think that is what you would need to do. From what I can tell, you could not put them all on your account, then pass it on to them. (Either collecting money or not) |
[05:12:14] | mzb_d800: | (although Jakers! hasn't been recording properly ;) ... might be daylight savings) |
[05:12:34] | Chicago: | xris: kormoc: Okay, here's the situation. A lil computer shop down the street sells computer parts and doesn't have any computer turned on in their store for people to play with. |
[05:12:58] | kormoc: | Chicago, currently, as I said, reselling is not allowed by the agreement |
[05:13:20] | Chicago: | I approached them to leave one or two of my computers turned on, which could be used as demonstration models. |
[05:13:35] | mzb_d800: | ShockValue: I've been considering making a small webpage on my lan for the ppc devices, so that when a "button" is pressed, it sends telnet commands to (whichever) frontend |
[05:13:36] | Chicago: | How can I use SD in my "demo models"? |
[05:14:06] | mzb_d800: | adante: have you run the grabber manually? |
[05:14:24] | adante: | mzb_d800: yeah |
[05:14:28] | kormoc: | Chicago, you can't. You couldn't use zap2it in that manor as well |
[05:14:36] | adante: | mzb_d800: just configured and ran it for hte first time (reinstall) |
[05:14:45] | mzb_d800: | ah |
[05:14:53] | Chicago: | kormoc: Okay |
[05:14:59] | kormoc: | Chicago, it's intended for soly your personal use and for non-commercial purposes |
[05:15:10] | mzb_d800: | adante: force a rerun and see what happens |
[05:15:18] | Chicago: | kormoc: I understand. |
[05:15:30] | ShockValue: | xris: can i use SVN on Mythweb with non-svn (20.2) mythtv? or would it all need to be svn? |
[05:15:50] | Chicago: | kormoc: It used to be surely possible to use your own discretion in regards to intended use... |
[05:16:11] | adante: | mzb_d800: i suspect it's pulling that data off whatever site |
[05:16:32] | Chicago: | kormoc: If you don't sell one, period... was there a commercial purpose? |
[05:17:10] | kormoc: | Chicago, you still break the for your sole personal use |
[05:17:22] | kormoc: | and it's the same restriction zap2it had |
[05:17:44] | Chicago: | kormoc: I'm not breaking anything at the moment and am not bothering to. |
[05:17:48] | mzb_d800: | Chicago: for someone who seemed to start with a point based on ignorance, you've now digressed to arguing every point. Can't you stay still? ;) |
[05:18:35] | ShockValue: | sounds like he's just trying to find a loophole and skirt the system in order to sleep better at night to me... i dunno why we keep arguing :) |
[05:18:48] | mzb_d800: | agreed ;) |
[05:19:08] | Tanthrix: | Chicago: There never has, at any point in the past, been free listings provided for myth (or any other project that I am aware of) that were allowed, by those providers, to be used for anything than personal, non-commercial use. |
[05:19:28] | mzb_d800: | xris: btw, I assume it's javascript-related reasons why a ppc can't view mythweb correctly? |
[05:20:18] | Chicago: | Hmm... I've got it... We get a GRANT for another 501.c3 corp which broadcasts the listings data in Braile for people with visual impairment... That service would have to be free by law... and then we make MythTV compatible. |
[05:20:20] | mzb_d800: | I'd *love* to be able to view listings on a ppc, but it just doesn't work (nicely) |
[05:20:42] | xris: | mzb_d800: what would arch have to do with javascript? |
[05:20:46] | ShockValue: | Chicago: or, you could hit yourself in the head with a tack-hammer and call it a night. |
[05:20:47] | Chicago: | Tanthrix: I'm not even receiving listings for my personal non-commercial use. |
[05:20:54] | Chicago: | LOL |
[05:20:58] | kormoc: | Chicago, that 501.c3 doesn't cover copywritten data, which schedules are |
[05:21:24] | Tanthrix: | Chicago: I don't recall saying that you were. |
[05:21:24] | xris: | Chicago: except that the contract with TMS controls how and who uses the data... TMS can do whatever they want with their copyrighted data. |
[05:22:05] | mzb_d800: | xris: I assumed it was pocket IE ... not sure of the reason (ie. not arch specific;) |
[05:22:18] | xris: | mzb_d800: pocket IE is different than powerpc.... |
[05:22:24] | mzb_d800: | sorry |
[05:22:26] | mzb_d800: | pocketpc |
[05:22:39] | mzb_d800: | (I play in #handhelds a lot;) |
[05:22:55] | xris: | Chicago: if you're concerned, send an email to SD explaining your situation, and we can then get in touch with TMS to figure out exactly what they think about it) |
[05:23:09] | Chicago: | kormoc: explain archive.org http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode . . . ---000-.html |
[05:23:10] | xris: | mzb_d800: pocket ie could definitely have trouble. |
[05:23:27] | mzb_d800: | it does :) |
[05:23:43] | mzb_d800: | I also assume there's not an easy way to address that |
[05:23:53] | Chicago: | xris: Thank-you :) |
[05:24:03] | xris: | Chicago: the only thing your suggestion does is put the burden of cost onto the 501c3 org.. TMS wouldn't give the data away for free. |
[05:24:11] | xris: | and SD is working on getting 501c3 status |
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[05:24:56] | xris: | Chicago: TMS doesn't want to get in the way of people spreading MythTV around, but they *do* want a cut of things if you're making money off of it (which is why our contract restricts who can purchase memberships from us) |
[05:24:58] | Chicago: | xris; Archive.org is doing it right. |
[05:25:01] | kormoc: | Chicago, (a)(1) breaks your argument, as you (one who isn't blind) is using it for a direct commercial advantage (you don't want to pay) |
[05:25:05] | mzb_d800: | you can't use one law to break another! |
[05:25:19] | kormoc: | Chicago, also, second, listings are not in the library |
[05:25:53] | kormoc: | see also (f)(2) |
[05:26:43] | kormoc: | (h)(2)(A) also breaks your argument |
[05:26:54] | Chicago: | kormoc: Think MythLibrary which provides the upstream XML for resources like "The Best of YouTube" and the like. |
[05:27:25] | kormoc: | negative. a Library in this law is a specific institution, not a random person's collection |
[05:27:25] | Chicago: | Charge $50 a year for a membership... eleven months of the year... and then $5 for the year if you buy in January... or something like that. |
[05:27:52] | Chicago: | kormoc: Right, I'm saying archive.org is the model. |
[05:27:57] | kormoc: | but even so, (h)(2)(A) would still be in effect |
[05:28:28] | kormoc: | which means you can't go beyond fair-use, which is granted by the SD license, again, solely personal use |
[05:28:35] | xris: | Chicago: you're comparing apples and toyotas. |
[05:28:43] | Chicago: | hehe |
[05:28:56] | kormoc: | Feel free to talk to a lawyer, they'll be able to answer your questions |
[05:29:03] | Chicago: | I'm talking to peers. |
[05:29:23] | Chicago: | Like as if I was on my cigarette break standing outside talking $hit about things I'm interested in... |
[05:29:29] | kormoc: | you're not talking, you're bitching |
[05:29:32] | Chicago: | Which lawyers you know understand the internet? |
[05:29:38] | kormoc: | quite a different thing |
[05:29:47] | kormoc: | Chicago, the EFF is a good place to find one |
[05:29:51] | mzb_d800: | going completely OT |
[05:30:03] | kormoc: | Also quite a few copyright lawyers specialize in internet law |
[05:30:07] | xris: | mzb_d800: for some reason that seems to happen when people start talking about SD |
[05:30:12] | mzb_d800: | ah |
[05:30:23] | mzb_d800: | mind if I ask a couple of questions then? :) |
[05:30:25] | Tanthrix: | kormoc,xris: So what if we project SD data onto the moon, from a boat in international waters, then we give users ham radios to recieve that data via moon bounce back to them, then would it be ok for commercial use? |
[05:30:26] | ** xris still finds it funny that some user threatened to send the EFF after SD for our privacy policy... ** | |
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[05:30:44] | xris: | Tanthrix: would violate our contract with TMS |
[05:30:53] | anxt: | is it cool to lie about real name and address for schedules direct? |
[05:31:00] | anxt: | i mean i will pay of course |
[05:31:02] | xris: | anxt: read the SA |
[05:31:08] | anxt: | yeah OK |
[05:31:14] | xris: | there's a section in there about "fraud" |
[05:31:17] | anxt: | DUH |
[05:31:19] | mzb_d800: | 1. Is there a way of having a common interface for my music + music videos? |
[05:31:37] | kormoc: | Tanthrix, only if the frequency was greater then 1 over the average sin of the frequency bounce time times seconds from the creation of the universe / 2 |
[05:31:39] | anxt: | xris: ok i will check it out. not talking about cheating though. i am happy to pay. i will read it through |
[05:31:59] | Tanthrix: | kormoc: I'll get right on it! |
[05:32:03] | xris: | anxt: you basically have to trust that we don't do anything underhanded with your personal info... |
[05:32:10] | mzb_d800: | 2. How can I have internet radio stations (somewhere)? |
[05:32:24] | Chicago: | kormoc: xris: Just a thought... are we the GPL people collectively cool enough to ask the networks to make their data available to use directly just as they do to big media? |
[05:32:33] | anxt: | xris: i doubt yall would |
[05:32:35] | xris: | but I'm pretty sure we'd be within our rights to cancel accounts (without refund) that provide false information. |
[05:32:40] | anxt: | not that i have anything to hide |
[05:32:51] | anxt: | so i could lose 15 dollars! eek! |
[05:32:57] | xris: | Chicago: sure, if you want to ask all 10000 stations in the US alone. |
[05:33:06] | anxt: | now there is a record of my ip on the web lol |
[05:33:16] | anxt: | gues you get real name |
[05:33:18] | anxt: | :( |
[05:33:28] | xris: | Chicago: read the SD forums and mythtv mailing lists. I looked into it. paying TMS for the data is MUCH MUCH cheaper in comparison |
[05:33:31] | kormoc: | Chicago, sure, they would love to ask, but honestly, they wouldn't get anywhere |
[05:33:35] | Chicago: | xris: I'd be extremely satisfied to provide poor people with CBS NBC ABC PBS FOX WGN etc... in US timezones. |
[05:33:58] | anxt: | i always suspected the zap2it thing would fall through |
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[05:34:03] | robbins876: | it's $15 a year, that's not worth complaining about |
[05:34:04] | kormoc: | Chicago, feel free to contact TMS or the networks directly and work out something yourself |
[05:34:05] | anxt: | i was like "how are they gonna make money from this" |
[05:34:11] | robbins876: | $20, i mean |
[05:34:11] | xris: | Chicago: yeah.. networks. then you have to go to the affiliates.. and then the satellite networks/affiliates. |
[05:34:17] | anxt: | 15 bux a year i am ecstatic about |
[05:34:20] | Chicago: | OMG... big syndicate. |
[05:34:21] | anxt: | that is a stealler deal |
[05:34:31] | xris: | half of them get their data from TMS, and aren't allowed to resell it (yes, I realize it's circular, but that's how it works) |
[05:34:32] | anxt: | i have zero problem paying that |
[05:34:33] | kormoc: | anxt, it was to give back to the community, it never was ment to get them money. |
[05:34:37] | ShockValue: | if they have a TV, poor people can already get CBS and NBC. MythTV+SD is a luxury, not milk and bread. |
[05:34:52] | anxt: | well that is pretty cool |
[05:35:02] | anxt: | google lets developers take a day a week for their own projects |
[05:35:09] | anxt: | that is pretty cool too it think |
[05:35:25] | kormoc: | anxt, some members of the community failed to follow the rules and thus the entire community lost it. Sad, but understandable in my mind. |
[05:35:26] | xris: | Chicago: http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.p . . . ourier#p2254 |
[05:35:37] | anxt: | kormoc: there will always be abusers |
[05:35:44] | xris: | anxt: and by "community" kormoc means people who participated with Z2L... |
[05:36:05] | xris: | anxt: yes, but far fewer of them willing to shell out even a little money to do so |
[05:36:06] | anxt: | so xris are you chris? |
[05:36:10] | xris: | anxt: yes |
[05:36:16] | anxt: | many many thanks |
[05:36:21] | Chicago: | xris: kormoc: Do you guys have a $200 lifetime membership or any agreements with TMS in perpetuity? |
[05:36:38] | kormoc: | Chicago, what you see is what they offer |
[05:36:58] | anxt: | brb smoke |
[05:37:00] | Chicago: | Well thanks alot for talking with me about all of the hard work I know you guys have poured into everything here. |
[05:37:02] | xris: | Chicago: can't talk about the contract with TMS, and no, no lifetime memberships available (yet, but probably never) |
[05:37:43] | Chicago: | Which card do I need to decode highdef comcast? |
[05:37:51] | Chicago: | :P |
[05:37:57] | xris: | Chicago: firewire port? |
[05:38:17] | Tanthrix: | Chicago: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Digital_Cable |
[05:38:31] | xris: | we'll probably be adding something like a $5/2-months plan for people who are just starting to experiment with something like MythTV/GB-PVR but don't want to commit to a year, and we'd like to add something like a $60/year "gold member" plan for people who want to contribute extra money.. but we're doing ok for cash right now, so it hasn't been a priority. |
[05:38:31] | Chicago: | pci |
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[05:38:53] | anxt: | well i jsut got back from africa |
[05:38:57] | anxt: | time to sign up with sd |
[05:39:06] | anxt: | with my real name even heh |
[05:39:23] | Chicago: | xris: I won't use firewire... because of my no DMA policy. |
[05:39:32] | xris: | huh? |
[05:39:50] | ** xris wonders what hard drives have to do with firewire ** | |
[05:40:11] | Chicago: | The people who wear foil hats also glue toothpicks together and break them off in there firewire ports so the direct memory access from firewire is not an option. |
[05:41:11] | xris: | then you're most likely limited to the broadcast stations over QAM... unless you're *extremely* lucky and your cable provider doesn't encrypt the other HD stuff. |
[05:41:29] | ShockValue: | im too busy downloading porn to worry about toothpicks, DMA and tin hts. |
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[05:41:58] | ** xris just wishes that his firewire connection would stop making the backend crash (stupid fedor a7) ** | |
[05:42:13] | anxt: | Your login name must be at least 6 characters in length. |
[05:42:17] | Chicago: | xris: Don't you want a Gentoo backend? |
[05:42:19] | anxt: | but my login name is anxt |
[05:42:33] | xris: | Chicago: not really, no. that's kormoc's world |
[05:42:40] | Chicago: | xris: I get super-duper everything on Gentoo. |
[05:42:42] | anxt: | wah wah |
[05:43:10] | Chicago: | Thanks for not letting me start a distro war too :] |
[05:43:22] | Tanthrix: | It seems that comcast un-5Ced my channels again, which I suppose is good. |
[05:43:37] | xris: | Chicago: this channel is pretty immune to distro wars.. we tend to kickban people who think they're fun. |
[05:43:42] | Tanthrix: | Don't know if I want to take the time to get it working reliably though, since they might just pull the rug out again. |
[05:43:51] | anxt: | distro wars |
[05:43:53] | Chicago: | xris: I learn on my first visit in 2004. |
[05:43:54] | anxt: | how lame |
[05:44:06] | xris: | Tanthrix: nifty. not so in my case. |
[05:44:06] | anxt: | what about emacs vs vi? |
[05:44:22] | Chicago: | xris: Months later I got to come back. I offended Chutt for some obvious reasons. |
[05:44:36] | xris: | then again, my new mythbox only has one pci slot, so I wouldn't get my dual tuner setup even if I could record straight from QAM |
[05:44:55] | xris: | Chicago: not hard to do (the offending Isaac bit) |
[05:45:23] | Chicago: | xris: I think he banned all of Chicago on comcast from connecting for about 3 months. |
[05:45:28] | anxt: | i just got a nigerian letter |
[05:45:36] | xris: | anxt: fun. |
[05:45:50] | anxt: | well i actually opned it |
[05:45:54] | Dagmar: | On paper? |
[05:45:57] | xris: | I get them occasionally.. but they're from my sister (who lives there at the moment) |
[05:45:57] | anxt: | cause it said ECOWAS |
[05:46:10] | anxt: | i just got back from africa thought it might be relevant |
[05:46:14] | anxt: | then it was all caps lol |
[05:46:19] | Dagmar: | Lead them on |
[05:46:27] | Dagmar: | You didn't delete it, did you? |
[05:46:31] | anxt: | i dunno why some spammers think all caps is effective |
[05:46:44] | Chicago: | So... how about MythTV giving people directions on howto turn their 15-pin VGA port into a broadcast UHF antenna? |
[05:46:50] | anxt: | my collection agent, i gave her my email told her to quit calling |
[05:46:54] | anxt: | she likes all caps |
[05:46:59] | anxt: | most grave sounding stuff lol |
[05:47:01] | Dagmar: | I've had pretty reasonable success infuriating them by leading them on for a bit, expressing to them that I have resservations about the deal... |
[05:47:18] | Dagmar: | ...and then telling them that I could maybe trust them if I could f**k their daughter in the a**. |
[05:47:35] | anxt: | lol |
[05:47:41] | Chicago: | hehe |
[05:47:41] | anxt: | that is funny |
[05:47:48] | anxt: | esp if it could be written in perl |
[05:48:06] | anxt: | automated nuisance responce |
[05:48:07] | Dagmar: | Chicago: Hell, why not have the project people write up docs on how to make the sound card cook a chicken casserole |
[05:48:13] | anxt: | but it takes the human factor |
[05:48:33] | Chicago: | Dagmar: Also, we should include a section on howto get laid. |
[05:48:56] | Chicago: | I seem to have become picky and slow to jump. |
[05:49:04] | anxt: | ok great aparently SD email wont get through |
[05:49:11] | anxt: | guess i will give it a few min |
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[05:49:27] | anxt: | but spamassain is set to not delete any, just mark |
[05:49:49] | mzb_d800: | gee, I though it was simple: 1. Build mythbox. 2. Invite women to enjoy it. 3. Have your evil way while their glued to the screen |
[05:49:58] | Chicago: | Dagmar: For fantasy... the "MythTV" should start to popup on local TV for people who have broken analog TV's next year... |
[05:50:10] | mzb_d800: | isn't that how it's supposed to happen? (maybe I'm just lucky;) |
[05:50:28] | anxt: | mzb_d800: is there a myth-rohipnol plugin? |
[05:50:35] | xris: | anxt: I see a temp failure in the mailq |
[05:50:35] | mzb_d800: | heh ;) |
[05:50:43] | xris: | and someone typo'd hotmaul.com |
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[05:50:53] | anxt: | xris: i guess it will sort itself out given time? |
[05:51:07] | Dagmar: | "No, baby, I don't get Lifetime on my package." |
[05:51:12] | anxt: | i just didn't wanna naviagte away from the sd screen |
[05:51:26] | ShockValue: | hrm.. what do i need to do to enable the telnet commands for mythtv? |
[05:51:31] | anxt: | no worries |
[05:51:37] | Dagmar: | You need to click stuff |
[05:51:47] | Dagmar: | "somewhere" in the setup menus |
[05:51:47] | anxt: | for 15$ a year you could have email take 9 days lol |
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[05:51:54] | Chicago: | It would be good to skin a Jolly Roger mythtv theme used for broadcasting to your local trailer park over UHF. |
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[05:52:03] | anxt: | LMAO |
[05:52:12] | anxt: | UHF mythtv |
[05:52:20] | Dagmar: | WHy would you do this over UHF anyway? |
[05:52:22] | anxt: | "lamest myth box ever" |
[05:52:28] | xris: | um, doesn't HD come in over UHF? |
[05:52:36] | anxt: | well that it might |
[05:52:52] | ** xris has "most overkill mythbox, ever" ** | |
[05:52:52] | anxt: | UHF is over 900 mhz is it? |
[05:52:54] | Chicago: | Dagmar: The frequency response of VGA controllers get FM... but TVs aren't tuned to FM... so I guess I need another spectrum. I read that UHF can be easily done. |
[05:52:59] | xris: | stupid quad core proc didn't fit in the server |
[05:53:09] | Dagmar: | 1. FM isn't a band. |
[05:53:13] | anxt: | i just bought a supermicro server for a colo |
[05:53:19] | Dagmar: | 2. TV's *do* have to deal with FM or you'd have no audio |
[05:53:20] | anxt: | sexy little box when we finally get it |
[05:53:23] | anxt: | 1u |
[05:53:37] | anxt: | and supermicro is good stuff even if it is the lamest anme ever |
[05:53:46] | xris: | anxt: my company builds those by the hundreds |
[05:53:47] | Dagmar: | You could tune in broadcast VHF TV audio with a pocket radio if you modified it |
[05:53:52] | Chicago: | Dagmar: Rather than "frequency modulation" for this case, I'm talking of the 87MHz-107MHz band we call FM Radio. |
[05:54:00] | Dagmar: | TVs tune that |
[05:54:09] | Dagmar: | They just tune a LONG ways below and above it as well |
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[05:54:13] | anxt: | i called down to cali, started a convo with a women, thick chinese accent (i think chinese) i was thinking oh great an engrish call ... she spoke wonderful english |
[05:54:23] | Dagmar: | broadcast radio lands in between channels 6 & 7 IIRC |
[05:54:32] | anxt: | and she was fairly knowledgable too |
[05:54:36] | anxt: | that was a good experience |
[05:54:45] | anxt: | supermicro so far seems like a good brand |
[05:55:07] | anxt: | xris: 1u 's? |
[05:55:09] | Dagmar: | I used to tune it in (very badly) for giggles on a TV that had tuner knobs |
[05:55:14] | anxt: | or supermicor based |
[05:55:20] | xris: | anxt: 1u, supermicro, etc. |
[05:55:22] | anxt: | we will need another 1u in a few months |
[05:55:28] | xris: | just google for 1u server and you'll find us at the top of the list. :) |
[05:55:32] | anxt: | feel free to pm me a link |
[05:55:43] | anxt: | ahh ok |
[05:55:43] | Chicago: | I used something like this to "Hear" my monitor over the radio.. (don't remember whether AM or FM.) http://www.dirk-loss.de/tempest-showroom.htm |
[05:56:03] | xris: | anxt: and linked on mythtv.org, for that matter... since I got my boss to donate a machine to mythtv |
[05:56:13] | anxt: | nice |
[05:56:24] | anxt: | well we will by the rest of our boxes from you |
[05:56:30] | xris: | yup. simech tries to be good to the FOSS community. |
[05:56:30] | anxt: | i didn't realize :) |
[05:56:33] | Dagmar: | Either way, I still don't see why you'd bother with UHF |
[05:57:03] | Dagmar: | You can get an RF modulator that does channels 3–5 for about $20, and a 20W linear amp to really blast for about a quarter mile for another $50–99 |
[05:57:08] | xris: | I share a fair amount of code with mythweb, and I got kormoc from this irc channel (even if he had to go and be a sysadmin instead of a developer after a couple of years) |
[05:57:38] | anxt: | you can get an rf modulator out of an old vcr for free |
[05:57:53] | anxt: | that is how i hooked my first vcd player to my 1981 philips tv |
[05:58:06] | anxt: | worked not bad |
[05:58:18] | Chicago: | cool |
[05:58:38] | anxt: | still have it in the garage i think |
[05:58:43] | anxt: | the modulator rig |
[05:58:47] | anxt: | i was rather proud of it |
[05:58:50] | Chicago: | How many watts can you broadcast without a license? |
[05:59:03] | anxt: | you CANNOT broadcast without a license |
[05:59:03] | Chicago: | In the bands you're listening to me talk about? |
[05:59:10] | anxt: | you can transmit |
[05:59:21] | anxt: | but broadcast legally is totally different |
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[05:59:31] | anxt: | then again i am talking crtc not fcc |
[05:59:36] | xris: | Chicago: the FCC was even trying to go after people using those little mp3 fm transmitters... |
[05:59:38] | Chicago: | anxt: What is the objective difference between transmitting and broadcasting? |
[05:59:39] | Dagmar: | anxt: Bullshit |
[05:59:47] | Dagmar: | You can broadcast without a licence all you like. |
[06:00:01] | Dagmar: | You just have to hide your crap when the FCC comes sniffing around. |
[06:00:01] | xris: | Dagmar: that's a "can" vs "may" distinction. :) |
[06:00:02] | anxt: | transmission is from a point to point |
[06:00:07] | anxt: | broadcast is for the public |
[06:00:13] | anxt: | is how i understand it |
[06:00:18] | Dagmar: | xris: Not my fault if he can't speak English. I went to a public school and I know the difference. |
[06:00:22] | anxt: | consistent with ham licensing too |
[06:00:57] | anxt: | you know what, the radio station i just worked for for 6 moths in africa |
[06:01:04] | anxt: | 275 watt crown transmitter |
[06:01:07] | xris: | anxt: and can't use frequencies that are licensed to other people |
[06:01:09] | anxt: | 100 km penetration |
[06:01:21] | Chicago: | anxt: Wow, did you guys do a talk format or music? |
[06:01:22] | Dagmar: | you need moar aerialz |
[06:01:30] | Dagmar: | Higher is better. :) |
[06:01:33] | anxt: | Chicago: you can hear online. lots of both |
[06:01:42] | anxt: | music is alot easier to do than other programming |
[06:02:11] | anxt: | but none of it is in english |
[06:02:14] | Chicago: | anxt: I like calling into Chicago talk radio when I want to be big... 50,000 watts! |
[06:02:16] | Chicago: | !!!! |
[06:02:18] | Chicago: | !!! |
[06:02:18] | anxt: | french, and 3 tribal languages |
[06:02:36] | anxt: | well chicacge also has a lot more RFI and buildings that are tall |
[06:02:52] | anxt: | perhaps the lay of the land is different too |
[06:03:01] | anxt: | our antenna is highest point in conakry |
[06:03:10] | anxt: | 1/6 wavelength |
[06:03:16] | anxt: | i think 12 db gain |
[06:03:21] | anxt: | so effective 1200 watts |
[06:03:27] | Chicago: | anxt: Does it generate a visible plasma field ever? |
[06:03:33] | anxt: | something like that i don't know radio theory all that well |
[06:03:40] | Chicago: | me either |
[06:03:45] | anxt: | Chicago: definately not that i am aware of |
[06:04:03] | anxt: | Chicago: or i would gone and stared at it while cooking my swimmers lol |
[06:04:44] | Chicago: | I'm way off topic. |
[06:06:25] | anxt: | do high power antenna make some kind of fiel oyu can see? |
[06:06:28] | anxt: | i never heard of that |
[06:07:16] | Chicago: | anxt: Physics says gas turns to plasma when its excited... Sometimes with lightning phenomena are obvious... |
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[06:07:58] | anxt: | xris: the email came through |
[06:08:08] | anxt: | timestamp was out to lunch though |
[06:08:16] | Chicago: | anxt: DId you hangout with Elephants? |
[06:08:26] | xris: | anxt: odd |
[06:08:35] | xris: | clock on the server is fine |
[06:08:45] | anxt: | lemme shell into my mail server |
[06:09:01] | anxt: | or better yet i will send myself an email from a throwaway account |
[06:09:53] | anxt: | if the trouble is on my end, i just earned about ten years of schedules direct lol |
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[06:10:55] | Chicago: | Goodnight #mythv-users |
[06:10:55] | anxt: | xris: trouble is on my side |
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[06:11:02] | anxt: | thank you Jesus! |
[06:11:05] | xris: | heh |
[06:11:05] | ** anxt gets paid ** | |
[06:11:20] | anxt: | oh if this is just a timezone adjustment lol |
[06:11:30] | anxt: | how could this break though |
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[06:29:27] | anxt: | i am a fool |
[06:29:40] | anxt: | i was using squirellmail and i set the TX to africa |
[06:29:43] | anxt: | TZ |
[06:29:47] | anxt: | no money for me |
[06:29:49] | anxt: | :) |
[06:31:21] | anxt: | whatever at least i have my SD |
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[06:36:18] | anxt: | should i be running the master backend to grab schedules direct data? |
[06:36:37] | cesman: | anxt: mythfilldatabase |
[06:36:40] | anxt: | yes |
[06:36:49] | anxt: | but i can even grab lineups yet |
[06:36:52] | anxt: | can't |
[06:37:07] | anxt: | guess i will wait a while |
[06:37:11] | anxt: | try again |
[06:37:11] | cesman: | did you create a schedule direct account? |
[06:37:15] | anxt: | yes |
[06:37:41] | anxt: | is there a way to verify login and password? |
[06:37:57] | cesman: | did you properly configure MythTV? |
[06:38:14] | anxt: | probably |
[06:38:19] | cesman: | when you run mythtv-setup... |
[06:38:21] | anxt: | i have tuner cards and all added |
[06:38:22] | cesman: | probably? |
[06:38:31] | cesman: | just a sec... |
[06:38:34] | anxt: | well i won't guarantee cause it isn't working |
[06:38:50] | anxt: | but i have configured myth several times before |
[06:39:19] | cesman: | in mythtv-setup, 3. Video sources |
[06:39:29] | cesman: | did you provide your username and password? |
[06:39:42] | cesman: | did you when select the lineup you conifgured on SD's website? |
[06:39:58] | anxt: | i proveded username and password |
[06:40:07] | anxt: | then tried to immediately after retrieve lineups |
[06:40:15] | cesman: | did you then bind the source to the card under 4. Input Connections? |
[06:40:31] | anxt: | so far i don't have lineups but i tried that |
[06:40:42] | anxt: | let me make sure SD has my lineups |
[06:40:51] | anxt: | i gave postal code but nothing more |
[06:41:05] | cesman: | You need to configure you lineup(s) on SD's site |
[06:41:20] | anxt: | You have no lineups configured. You should probably consider adding at least one lineup. |
[06:41:27] | anxt: | thanks for the hand holding cesman |
[06:41:39] | anxt: | i win the gold didn't RTFM star |
[06:41:43] | anxt: | apologies |
[06:41:48] | anxt: | and thanks for your help |
[06:41:54] | cesman: | you're welcome |
[06:42:33] | anxt: | wow they got satelitte and everything |
[06:42:41] | anxt: | maybe i should get satelitte too |
[06:44:04] | anxt: | lol that made all the difference |
[06:44:08] | anxt: | thanks cesman |
[06:44:15] | anxt: | sorry i normally am not so short sighted |
[06:44:22] | anxt: | i really appreciate your help though |
[06:44:31] | cesman: | you're welcome |
[06:44:48] | cesman: | just help others in turn... |
[06:44:50] | anxt: | now it is taking its time and filling mysql like i expected |
[06:45:06] | anxt: | cesman: yeah i help a lot of people on irc |
[06:45:18] | anxt: | and most of the time i don't even condesdend |
[06:45:23] | anxt: | but sometimes i do :) |
[06:45:59] | anxt: | now this SD has me thinking a satellite reciever would be cool |
[06:46:12] | anxt: | shaw digital cable seems to be a no go at least alst i heard |
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[06:46:36] | anxt: | you could use an ir blastewr ot tune it and then cap, but it was kind of a screw around to grab hd |
[06:48:13] | anxt: | omigosh |
[06:48:16] | anxt: | one last step |
[06:48:28] | anxt: | screw the f-copnnector into the back of my pvr-500 |
[06:49:43] | anxt: | "great moments in #mythtv-users history" |
[06:50:15] | anxt: | freaking sweet |
[06:50:19] | anxt: | my myth is back |
[06:50:21] | anxt: | :) |
[06:50:34] | cesman: | :) |
[06:50:41] | ** anxt gives non gay hugs to developers ** | |
[06:51:47] | anxt: | wow i wanna watch tv for the sake of it now |
[06:51:59] | anxt: | time to queue up some shows to record |
[06:52:05] | anxt: | i turfed my whole SQL |
[06:52:13] | anxt: | and all my recordings |
[06:52:28] | anxt: | cause i was abroad for months |
[06:52:43] | anxt: | since i have the memory of an ass pimple, they will all be new shows! |
[06:53:42] | anxt: | meh start with a south park collection |
[06:58:31] | Diabolic: | :) |
[06:58:47] | anxt: | good stuff to go to sleep to |
[06:59:39] | Diabolic: | Go to sleep? It's morning! |
[06:59:42] | Diabolic: | :> |
[07:05:42] | anxt: | early morning |
[07:05:51] | anxt: | with wisp of vodka |
[07:08:33] | mzb_d800: | hmm .. past beer o'clock here |
[07:15:28] | cesman: | it is beer o'clock somewhere in the world |
[07:19:01] | Dagmar: | I'll wait for pussy o'clock, thanks |
[07:19:58] | cesman: | that has been often known to follow beer o'clock |
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[07:30:43] | ** xris prefers rum-o'clock ** | |
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[07:35:58] | anxt: | mmm |
[07:36:07] | anxt: | vodka clock is more accurate |
[07:36:52] | mzb_d800: | I prefer "fuzzy" time accuracy ;P |
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[07:58:43] | doc__: | hi there |
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[08:14:47] | hads: | Does the dbox2 support cover a Dreambox? |
[08:14:48] | Diabolic: | Morning. |
[08:31:01] | anxt: | i am dead |
[08:31:16] | anxt: | i was all drunk |
[08:31:19] | anxt: | wtf |
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[09:12:03] | slaine_: | Quick question. Do Intel graphics chips support any kind of XvMC ? |
[09:14:22] | directhex|work: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Intel_8xx.2F9xx |
[09:14:28] | ikke_: | google's first page (http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/man.html) says there is xvmc but it's disabled by default. This in i810 driver. |
[09:16:11] | slaine_: | Thanks guys |
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[09:28:41] | coldsteal: | hello |
[09:28:49] | coldsteal: | anyone awake? |
[09:31:52] | coldsteal: | im trying to decide on a videocard |
[09:34:58] | directhex|work: | the lowest-end geforce that's in stock & gits your motherboard |
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[09:39:28] | coldsteal: | so anything |
[09:39:35] | coldsteal: | it doesnt matter |
[09:39:55] | coldsteal: | i want it to look good with HD |
[09:40:01] | directhex|work: | well, it does if your board is AGP and you buy a PCIe card. that would be sub-optimal |
[09:40:43] | coldsteal: | i only have one PCIe slot and no onbord |
[09:40:49] | ikke_: | then don't bother with nvidia 6200 unless you have very powerfull CPU |
[09:41:41] | coldsteal: | i have an amd 64 3800+ |
[09:41:45] | ikke_: | If you want HD, and want to play h264 stuff, these traditional graphics cards don't do any offloading for video like XvMC |
[09:42:06] | ikke_: | ... like XvMC does for mpeg |
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[09:42:38] | coldsteal: | lol thats almost a diff lang |
[09:42:52] | coldsteal: | so what card would be good? |
[09:43:47] | directhex|work: | ikke_, none of them do, on linux |
[09:43:52] | ikke_: | true |
[09:44:07] | ikke_: | some hopefully will... |
[09:44:15] | directhex|work: | ikke_, eventually, maybe |
[09:45:31] | ikke_: | this is a bad moment to buy a graphics card, since it will still take some time they can decode h264 on linux. so go for a cheap one until there are such that do. cheap nvidia. |
[09:46:04] | coldsteal: | does it matter about the bit like 256 bit and also the ram? |
[09:46:39] | coldsteal: | well the onbord memory |
[09:52:02] | Diabolic: | so my problems with occasionally lagging when playing HD-stuff is nothing I can do about at the moment? |
[09:54:01] | directhex|work: | Diabolic, depends on the type of HD stuff you're playing |
[09:54:03] | directhex|work: | and with what |
[09:54:09] | directhex|work: | coldsteal, are you running 3d games? |
[09:55:44] | Diabolic: | directhex|work: x264-stuff with VLC in myth |
[09:56:05] | Diabolic: | directhex|work: with a geforce4 ti4600 |
[09:58:26] | directhex|work: | Diabolic, the GPU is irrelevant for h264, there's no card-assisted decoding |
[09:58:45] | directhex|work: | Diabolic, and even if (when?) the capability is added, it will never be on geforce 4 |
[09:58:51] | Diabolic: | :) |
[09:58:57] | directhex|work: | geforce 7 maybe. 8 definitely |
[09:59:30] | Diabolic: | in Linux, that is? |
[10:03:07] | tank-man: | on the psp, you can underclock the cpu and still play h264 video pretty good with its gpu, although it isnt hd res |
[10:04:02] | Diabolic: | so my solution is to stay away from h264, there's nothing I can do to get rid of the lag problems? |
[10:04:14] | jduggan: | Diabolic: get a beefier CPU |
[10:04:46] | Diabolic: | jduggan: yeah, how beefy should it be? ;) |
[10:05:32] | jduggan: | as many logical cores as possible :P |
[10:05:45] | ikke_: | does OsX (mac) offer h264 offloading for mythfrontend? say mac mini as a frontend... |
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[10:17:20] | directhex|work: | ikke_, interesting question |
[10:17:36] | directhex|work: | ikke_, but a mac mini has a core 2 duo, which is fast enough to do HD h264 in software |
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[10:19:02] | ikke_: | directhex|work, it could still do some difference in cpu temp -> fanning noise. Can Core 2 duo do full HD with CPU only, say x264? |
[10:19:11] | dablitz: | good morning channel |
[10:19:16] | directhex|work: | ikke_, with a threaded decoder, yes |
[10:19:31] | dablitz: | i was wondering if there is such a thing as parental controls for trunk? |
[10:20:00] | directhex|work: | you catch your kid watching porn, you beat him with a sack of oranges |
[10:20:22] | dablitz: | i am being serious |
[10:20:48] | ikke_: | you can catch them watching your pr0n from file access times :D |
[10:21:05] | directhex|work: | dablitz, mythvideo supports it |
[10:21:25] | dablitz: | its not that i want to catch them. i do not want them to be even able to accedentally tune them |
[10:21:52] | dablitz: | mythvideo is for recordings and rips. I am wondering about actual tuned tv |
[10:21:55] | directhex|work: | dablitz, AFAIK, myth itself doesn't have that functionality yet |
[10:22:37] | coldsteal: | directhex|work: no i dont play games |
[10:23:05] | directhex|work: | coldsteal, then you don't give two shits about things like pipeline depth or memory bus width |
[10:23:27] | coldsteal: | ok |
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[11:20:32] | Maccco: | Is it possible to transcode to a new file? |
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[11:22:02] | Diabolic: | btw, what's the best theme for myth, in your (any of you) opinion? |
[11:23:31] | directhex|work: | i use mepo-wide |
[11:23:41] | directhex|work: | which is based on a media portal (pvr for windows) theme |
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[11:31:22] | jarle: | Diabolic: bluetoobe-wide |
[11:33:15] | Diabolic: | jarle: hmm, is there screenshots any place? google can't find any ;-) |
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[11:33:25] | Diabolic: | s/is/are |
[11:34:03] | directhex|work: | blootube-wide |
[11:34:09] | directhex|work: | it's spelt blootube-wide |
[11:34:20] | Diabolic: | heh |
[11:34:21] | Diabolic: | :) |
[11:35:11] | Diabolic: | You tried to access the address http://www.juski.co.uk/, which is currently unavailable. |
[11:35:14] | Diabolic: | :( |
[11:35:45] | directhex|work: | gone forever |
[11:36:03] | rooaus: | Diabolic: http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/index.shtml & http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Themes |
[11:36:34] | rooaus: | directhex|work: Not gone, just relocated (google hasn't caught up) and under a new license :) |
[11:37:13] | Diabolic: | looks nice. |
[11:38:34] | directhex|work: | rooaus, juski.co.uk is gone forever! |
[11:39:55] | rooaus: | directhex|work: true, I thought you meant the themes :) |
[11:41:26] | Diabolic: | it would be quite impossible for the theme to be gone forever, I'd say ;) |
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[11:42:28] | directhex|work: | not dead! just pinin' |
[11:42:33] | directhex|work: | for the fjords! |
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[11:43:52] | Dagmar: | directhex|work: Hey, have you read Turntables of the Night, yet? |
[11:44:34] | directhex|work: | no. should i? |
[11:45:03] | Dagmar: | Do you read Pratchett? |
[11:45:55] | Dagmar: | I'm guessing this silence means you're either completely baffled, or you're already frantically Googling |
[11:47:12] | directhex|work: | yes, but not for a long time |
[11:47:31] | Dagmar: | Google "Turntables of the Night". It's a short story of his that he's put online. |
[11:47:35] | Dagmar: | Very, very good. |
[11:47:40] | Dagmar: | It's got Death init. |
[11:47:50] | directhex|work: | that's death! |
[11:47:55] | directhex|work: | there's no need to take a breath! |
[11:48:07] | directhex|work: | just lay around all day! |
[11:48:15] | Dagmar: | The only figure in literature that types in all caps that you would NOT QUESTION. |
[11:48:18] | directhex|work: | with not a single bill to pay! hooray! |
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[11:49:17] | directhex|work: | i prefer gaiman's death to pratchett's death |
[11:51:18] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* ... and I've spent so much time modifying my current theme for a massively overscanned PAL TV :( |
[11:51:54] | Dagmar: | Pfft. |
[11:52:07] | Dagmar: | Rest easy in knowing you're among the extreme minority of people doing it correctly. |
[11:52:39] | mzb_d800: | am I ? |
[11:52:47] | directhex|work: | everyone using a CRT deserves a screwed up image! |
[11:52:54] | mzb_d800: | :) |
[11:52:59] | Dagmar: | Just the same, one should respect overscan |
[11:53:17] | Dagmar: | It's the easiest way to hide the VBI spillover. |
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[11:54:00] | mzb_d800: | actually ... it's worse than that ... I use nvtv to get cloned output ... PAL TV is upstairs, 20" CRT (1991 fccid!;) is downstairs (box is mounted under floor) |
[11:54:34] | mzb_d800: | massive overscan with adjusted gui size was the only way to get it to look good |
[11:55:06] | mzb_d800: | but now I have to slowly work through the theme to adjust everything |
[11:56:04] | directhex|work: | someone yesterday asked about PDC (i think that's what it's called), the magical ability for a VCR to know when a show is delayed & delay recording as a result |
[11:56:08] | directhex|work: | is that stored in the VBI? |
[11:56:16] | mzb_d800: | still have a funny problem with what I can best describe as a flickering white line (looks like a remnant of a popup menu) |
[11:56:37] | mzb_d800: | you mean the scan line? |
[11:56:56] | mzb_d800: | (I don't know the proper terms) |
[11:57:31] | mzb_d800: | no other way to get data through, so I guess so |
[11:57:48] | Dagmar: | Across the top edge of the screen? |
[11:58:03] | mzb_d800: | no |
[11:58:08] | Dagmar: | Hmmm |
[11:58:11] | mzb_d800: | in between frames |
[11:58:23] | Dagmar: | In between _frames_? |
[11:58:32] | adante: | mzb_d800: use mythweather? |
[11:58:41] | mzb_d800: | (before it gets to the stage of being "a screen") |
[11:58:49] | Dagmar: | adante: It's broken. Use a search engine once in awhile, eh? |
[11:58:51] | mzb_d800: | adanta: no ... I thought it was broken |
[11:59:03] | directhex|work: | so the question is, if PDC data is available in the VBI, could it be used? is that data preserved on anything other than a framegrabber? |
[11:59:10] | adante: | Dagmar: haha ok |
[11:59:41] | adante: | Dagmar: was't sure if i just didn't live in a popular eough place orsomething :] |
[12:00:15] | mzb_d800: | err ... most of the old gear isn't smart enough to understand scan line data (afaik) |
[12:00:26] | mzb_d800: | sort of question I'd refer to my Dad ;) |
[12:01:43] | mzb_d800: | but I'd have thought a framegrabber card (you mean with, say, a bttv chip?) would have been modern enough to do anything with *all* the data |
[12:01:47] | mzb_d800: | (in theory) |
[12:02:48] | mzb_d800: | but, tbh, I doubt that a TV station would "publish" that kind of data (in *any* form) |
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[12:04:56] | mzb_d800: | I'm finding mythstream quite interesting to play with. Any chance that it (or something equivalent) will make it into a release someday? |
[12:06:46] | rooaus: | adante: My bosses husband works for BOM and they are meant to be bringing out an XML service, I am hoping to be able get enough info to write the scripts needed or at least make it available to someone else. |
[12:09:59] | rooaus: | mzb_d800: Are you after a shoutcast plugin for node's radio stations? |
[12:10:35] | mzb_d800: | for myth? I guess ... is it better than mythstream? |
[12:12:21] | rooaus: | mzb_d800: Have you tried Eskil's patch for mythmusic? There was some talk of it *possibly* getting included (after some rework). |
[12:12:22] | mzb_d800: | I've written a tiny script to strip the node stations, and put them in a storage file, just going through it now to select ones suitable for "Family" storage |
[12:12:31] | BULLE: | mzb_d800: i dont know what mystream can and can not do, but from what i have understood, some sort of streaming is being worked on, with realtime reencoding, so you can for example watch your recordings as flash video over mythweb |
[12:12:51] | mzb_d800: | rooaus: haven't heard of it, I'll start googling |
[12:13:25] | adante: | rooaus: OH NICE :] |
[12:13:32] | mzb_d800: | BULLE: not interested in video (atm), just the radio streams (uncharged bandwidth) |
[12:13:34] | adante: | er sorry caps |
[12:13:57] | rooaus: | mzb_d800: http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/ |
[12:14:00] | BULLE: | mzb_d800: if some streaming/reencodig framework goes into myth, i would just assume its going to work for all media that myth supports |
[12:14:19] | BULLE: | mzb_d800: i guess the longtime goal is to get rid of mythmusic, mythvideo etc, and do all the media playback from one single player |
[12:14:26] | BULLE: | and that sounds like the way to go, imho |
[12:14:32] | mzb_d800: | rooaus: I can g* faster than that ;) (but thanks;) |
[12:14:48] | mzb_d800: | sounds nice |
[12:15:22] | mzb_d800: | I'd like to be able to randomly play through *both* music videos *and* plain old music ;) |
[12:15:31] | adante: | rooaus: wow that is incredibly cool, thanks |
[12:15:39] | mzb_d800: | (sounds like a crowd pleaser;) |
[12:16:02] | BULLE: | mzb_d800: yeah |
[12:17:00] | mzb_d800: | aw ... Eskil's patch against svn! ... hmm ... any hope of patching stock ... err .. forget it ... I'll just do a fresh build (I guess) |
[12:17:03] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* |
[12:18:04] | mzb_d800: | I'm getting so far away from a "standard" install that I guess it won't matter ;) |
[12:18:27] | adante: | mythtv ain't mythtv if it isn't on the bleeding edge! :] |
[12:18:46] | mzb_d800: | :) |
[12:19:50] | mzb_d800: | I've got this far on 0.20.2 |
[12:21:38] | ** BULLE uses 0.20.2 and is very happy so far ** | |
[12:21:42] | BULLE: | i never used 0.19 at all |
[12:21:49] | mzb_d800: | come to think of it, Eskil notes his patch is for 14140 (20070804) |
[12:21:57] | BULLE: | i guess it all depends on how much you rely on mythtv for your daily life |
[12:22:07] | BULLE: | and how many backends you got |
[12:22:27] | mzb_d800: | but I'm running tags/release-0-20–2 which is also marked with: 0.20.20070821–1 |
[12:22:30] | mzb_d800: | I have 3 |
[12:22:47] | mzb_d800: | single database, shared storage |
[12:23:41] | mzb_d800: | two frontends (both combined), and a slave backend (virtual machine) for encoding/flagging |
[12:23:55] | mzb_d800: | s/combined/combined BE/ |
[12:24:34] | mzb_d800: | (storage is actually all over the place, depending on it's purpose, but that's *long* story) |
[12:24:38] | BULLE: | ye |
[12:24:41] | BULLE: | i only got one box |
[12:24:51] | BULLE: | in a htpc case, thats placed right beside my tv |
[12:25:02] | BULLE: | thats all i got, basicly, its the machine i use now even |
[12:25:08] | BULLE: | ( i connect to it trough my laptop ) |
[12:25:22] | BULLE: | its fast enough for all my needs, so i thought, heck, why not just use ONE computer, to rule them all |
[12:25:26] | BULLE: | eg, my htpc |
[12:26:05] | mzb_d800: | ah, I'm running marillat pkgs on this particular box |
[12:26:26] | mzb_d800: | yep, if it's fast enough ;) |
[12:26:32] | mzb_d800: | and you only have one tv ;) |
[12:26:35] | BULLE: | its fast enough for my needs |
[12:26:41] | mzb_d800: | (and one user) |
[12:26:47] | BULLE: | i have a 2.6ghz core 2 duo in it |
[12:26:50] | BULLE: | completely fanless |
[12:26:52] | mzb_d800: | heh |
[12:26:53] | BULLE: | so its silent, nice |
[12:26:59] | mzb_d800: | *way* faster ;) |
[12:27:25] | mzb_d800: | MBE+FE in loungeroom is P3–650 overclocked to 804 |
[12:27:30] | BULLE: | its actualy a 3ghz one, but i downlclocked it a bit, to reduce heat |
[12:27:32] | adante: | i got into the mentality of running svn (then cvs) from back in the old days when dvb support in myth was totally cactus |
[12:27:45] | BULLE: | "totally cactus" |
[12:27:47] | mzb_d800: | SBE+FE in bedroom is P3–866 |
[12:27:48] | BULLE: | he, i liked that expression |
[12:28:18] | mzb_d800: | SBE is virtual machine on Xen server (Sempron 3400+) |
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[12:28:59] | mzb_d800: | my version of "silent" is to mount the machines under the floor (ie. not "in" the room;) |
[12:29:15] | mzb_d800: | (there are other reasons... but that's another long story;) |
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[12:30:05] | BULLE: | mzb_d800: thats a good solution, if you have the possibility |
[12:30:25] | BULLE: | mzb_d800: i just live in a flat, so i cant realy do anything like that |
[12:30:38] | mzb_d800: | this is a rental (house) |
[12:30:59] | mzb_d800: | but I show the landlord my tricky methods of drilling holes, and he doesn't seem to mind |
[12:31:45] | mzb_d800: | have been getting a little ruthless lately though ... drilling holes bigger than the cable so I don't have to cut of the plug ;) |
[12:31:50] | mzb_d800: | (sheer laziness;) |
[12:33:03] | mzb_d800: | soldering under the far end of the house isn't too pleasant for any amount of time |
[12:33:29] | mzb_d800: | cramped, etc |
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[12:54:58] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... got a lot of failures trying to patch that (just on shoutcast) ... looks like a waste of time patching old source ;) |
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[13:00:48] | mzb_d800: | ah well, leave that to download from svn (oh no! more metered bandwidth!). |
[13:00:53] | mzb_d800: | time for bed, gnite all |
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[13:19:21] | laga: | hey. i'm a cheapskate and i'm wondering if it's feasible ot use my linux box as a ac3 decoder for external sources, eg connect my dvd player to spdif in and use ac3dec to decode the signal. is this gonna introduce a lot of latency? :/ |
[13:22:18] | Kazan: | no idea |
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[13:28:19] | dmz: | howdy y'all. sometimes when I exit "livetv" mythbackend still thinks i'm watching live tv and doesn't free up that tuner. Any suggestions? |
[13:29:41] | MitoTranin: | with the sound uncompressed, a 1-hour show is only 1.3gb |
[13:29:42] | Maccco: | Is it possible to transcode to a new file? |
[13:29:52] | MitoTranin: | uh, sorry, wrong channel |
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[13:38:11] | Kazan: | gawd i want to bludgeon the execs of the History Channel |
[13:38:21] | Kazan: | dmz: you using trunk? |
[13:39:30] | dmz: | trunk? |
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[13:39:37] | Kazan: | svn trunk |
[13:39:42] | Kazan: | as opposed to .20-fixes |
[13:39:42] | dmz: | ah no |
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[13:40:24] | Kazan: | history channel really needs to ust admit that they've turned themselves into the "Christian corruption of history" channel |
[13:40:52] | dmz: | is that something wrong with .20.2? |
[13:40:53] | Dagmar: | Dude, they show fictional retellings of historical events |
[13:41:05] | Dagmar: | They'll air "300" when they get a chance |
[13:41:26] | Kazan: | they actually have something on the battle of thermopylae |
[13:41:42] | Kazan: | from the tagline it sounds like it'll actually be more historically accurate than the movie |
[13:41:50] | Kazan: | astonishing considering what that channel has become |
[13:42:01] | Kazan: | "Hey Everyone! let's act like our religion is true history!" |
[13:42:34] | Kazan: | that had "hey look we're talking about nazis!" |
[13:42:38] | Kazan: | s/had/and |
[13:42:43] | ** Kazan boggles at his hands ** | |
[13:43:47] | Dagmar: | You expect factual accuracy from proponents of a religion based around a piece of fiction? |
[13:43:55] | Dagmar: | A compendium of novellas even? |
[13:44:08] | Kazan: | i expect a channel that claims to be "the history channel" to be the history channel |
[13:44:19] | Kazan: | seriously need some class-action false-advertising suit against them to get the point across |
[13:44:23] | Dagmar: | they have to air some fluff, otherwise no one watches |
[13:44:29] | Kazan: | some fluff |
[13:44:33] | Kazan: | half their airtime is fluff |
[13:44:41] | Dagmar: | ..and it's *still* boring |
[13:44:54] | Kazan: | if they actualyl did real history stuff then i would watch them more |
[13:45:03] | Kazan: | there is a lot of fun stuff that can be covered in history |
[13:45:26] | dmz: | so back about mythbackend |
[13:45:29] | Kazan: | bronze age, iron age, roman, dark ages, medieval, etc warfare |
[13:45:34] | Kazan: | dmz: what are your tuner cards |
[13:45:38] | dmz: | pvr500 |
[13:45:49] | dmz: | i had a 350 but put the 500 in to get 2 tuners |
[13:45:50] | Kazan: | hmm |
[13:45:59] | Kazan: | i have a 500 and i've never seen that |
[13:46:05] | Kazan: | here is a recommendation: don't use livetv |
[13:46:22] | Kazan: | i know livetv is considered "broken" in trunk.. it may also be considered such in .20-fixes |
[13:46:31] | dmz: | as long as i don't use livetv it's ok |
[13:46:41] | dmz: | ah |
[13:47:43] | dmz: | thats annoying |
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[13:50:40] | otwin: | livetv is ok in svn-fixes – at least up until r14623. |
[13:51:08] | dmz: | i'll wait and see what goes on w/it |
[13:51:16] | dmz: | you'd think noone watches tv anymore :) |
[13:51:50] | Kazan: | wtf |
[13:51:57] | Kazan: | i'm having problems with one of my tuners or the signal |
[13:51:58] | otwin: | dmz: this only happens to me when my FE crashes during livetv. no problem when I exit livetv like I should (with pvr-150 and 350) |
[13:52:37] | dmz: | i have 3 frontends, it only happened recently with frontned change to minimyth |
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[13:53:19] | otwin: | i am using minimyth too |
[13:55:14] | Kazan: | weird |
[13:55:26] | Kazan: | i am having lots of signal problems with NTSC cable channel 25 |
[13:55:29] | Kazan: | no other channel |
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[14:02:29] | GreyFoxx: | hahahah there are 60 p2 350's in the loading bay of our building and we are being asked if we want them |
[14:03:04] | laga: | looks like someone will get 60 new frontends and an opportunity to restart development of that dxr3 driver |
[14:03:14] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
[14:03:18] | directhex|work: | why are there 60 p2 350's in the loading bay of your building? |
[14:03:23] | Kazan: | hrm |
[14:03:32] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|work: Someone upgraded their entire office |
[14:03:37] | Kazan: | either how it's done has been changed, or i forgot how, to write custom recording schedules in mythweb |
[14:03:54] | Kazan: | i need to "record any showing on any channel EXCEPT channelFoo" |
[14:03:54] | Dagmar: | directhex|work: Because you can't throw them away without paying carbon credits far more than their value |
[14:04:05] | Dagmar: | ...and a P2 350 won't make a frontend for crap |
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[14:04:38] | Kazan: | a beowulf cluster for p2 350s will make a nice children's toy :P |
[14:04:41] | GreyFoxx: | A long time ago I used a Cyrix P166+ as a frontend. but like laga mentioned I cheated and patched myth to use the dxr3 hardware mpeg decoder :) |
[14:05:02] | GreyFoxx: | menu was on a little cashier type pc monitor, video was on the tv :) |
[14:05:05] | Dagmar: | Yeah because otherwise that Cyrix POS wouldn't even play an mp3 without struggling |
[14:05:06] | directhex|work: | Kazan, not worth the power consumption. trust me |
[14:05:51] | Kazan: | i know |
[14:05:52] | Kazan: | it was a oke |
[14:05:54] | Kazan: | + |
[14:05:56] | Kazan: | +j |
[14:05:59] | ** Kazan smacks his j-key ** | |
[14:06:04] | directhex|work: | of course, those folding@home people will do anything! |
[14:06:08] | GreyFoxx: | That's basically what I told them :) |
[14:06:16] | Dagmar: | They would be more valuable if you were to weld them together in stacks of ten and sell them as novelty end-tables |
[14:06:29] | Kazan: | lol |
[14:08:35] | Zathraz: | hi folks. I have a running mythtv 0.20–2. Problem is DVD play. I get no menus, no sound. First movie file seems to play. period. Tested several DVDs. For instance sound is ok on tv and play music. I am using the internal player. TV-out through PV350, sound through alsa on mainboard soundcard. Any ideas? |
[14:09:25] | directhex|work: | what is configured to be your DVD player? |
[14:09:38] | Zathraz: | /dev/dvd |
[14:09:39] | directhex|work: | some distros still use mplayer, which is unlikely to be configured for your pvr350 |
[14:09:53] | Zathraz: | dvdplayer: internal |
[14:10:07] | Zathraz: | I am using debian etch packages |
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[14:26:19] | Kazan: | anyone expirienced tracking problems with hauppauge tuners? |
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[14:34:17] | Kazan: | how the heck do you get what APPEARS to be VHS tracking problems.. in an ivtv recording |
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[14:36:07] | Dagmar: | Weak signal strength on an s-video cable will do it |
[14:36:10] | mkrufky: | Kazan: encoder might be sick? |
[14:36:39] | mkrufky: | Kazan: if you unload and reload the ivtv module, it will force a firmware upload... if that fixes the problem, that would be interesting |
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[14:47:41] | Dagmar: | It would smell slightly of hardware instability |
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[14:48:28] | drunken-wallaby: | hi together. i've a little problem and I hope this is the right place to ask for help. I've set up mythbuntu just fine. However, I realize, that if i watch tv, sometimes the channel is automatically changed to some other channel without my interference. anyone has a hint what could be the reason for it? |
[14:48:58] | dr_lulz: | did you set up some infrared control? |
[14:49:10] | dr_lulz: | my old tv sometimes believed to get signals from my lamp ;) |
[14:50:48] | drunken-wallaby: | dr_lulz do you mean remote control with lirc? yes, i have that.... |
[14:51:13] | drunken-wallaby: | at first, i thought this was some kind of commercial skipping (change channels when a commercial is on) and then change back, but this is not the case... |
[14:52:41] | directhex|work: | it might seem silly, but check the obvious |
[14:52:49] | directhex|work: | e.g. unplug keyboard or IR receiver |
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[14:53:58] | drunken-wallaby: | directhex|work ok, i'll try this. should i stop lirc or just disable mouse and keyboard? |
[14:54:24] | directhex|work: | drunken-wallaby, i'd just unplug |
[14:54:41] | drunken-wallaby: | ok, i'll try that. thx directhex|work |
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[15:30:13] | levi: | I've tried burning a couple of DVDs with MythArchive, but the video has horrible combing in it. Is there any way to have the transcode process deinterlace the video? |
[15:30:36] | levi: | Or, otherwise, tell the DVD player that the video is interlaced so it will do deinterlacing? |
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[15:33:27] | adante: | 3~is there a way to stop recording a currently recording show from mythweb? |
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[15:33:42] | adante: | tried removing the schedule but it keeps recording |
[15:37:49] | sphery: | adante: delete the recording in progress |
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[15:45:14] | adante: | sphery: the actual file? there is no file (poor reception), but myth has still locked the card |
[15:45:54] | adante: | hm or maybe i forgot to check free cards when not in use |
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[15:55:50] | drunken-wallaby: | hm, i looked further into my issue with automatic changing channels. the strange thing is, that if i watch live tv, after 3 minutes or so live tv switches automatically back to a certain channel (Kabel1 in my case). no recordings are scheduled, and nothing is in the logs.... hm.... |
[15:57:17] | dr_lulz: | drunken-wallaby: still the same with unplugged IR receiver? |
[15:57:43] | drunken-wallaby: | dr_lulz yes. |
[15:58:37] | jams: | gbee is there a list of the perl requirments for the "new" mythweather? |
[16:05:11] | sphery: | adante: No. Go into "Watch Recordings" or "Delete Recordings" and delete the recording in progress. |
[16:05:39] | sphery: | jams: I think if you installl all the Perl modules on CPAN, you'll have most of it. ;) |
[16:06:08] | sphery: | Actually, I don't have a list, but I know I had to install about 3 or 4 extra modules for it to work. |
[16:06:19] | jams: | sphery- yeah screw that. i like to have as little perl installed as possible |
[16:06:33] | jams: | i'm reading the readme now..imagine that |
[16:06:46] | sphery: | Yeah. I just tried running it and then used the logs to find what was missing and installed just that module. |
[16:07:36] | jams: | seems a bit more complex then it needs to be for "weather" |
[16:10:35] | jams: | dang it..why is everytime i open my window somebody has to mow their lawn |
[16:11:27] | siXy: | jams: introduce stones into you neighbour's lawns |
[16:16:06] | jams: | sphery- take a look at smolt.mythvantage.com any other intesting info that might be worth collecting? soon i will have theme and remote, Not for sure what esle would be useful. |
[16:19:20] | drunken-wallaby: | dr_lulz whenever the channel changes automatically, a message like "expiring <some tv series> from <date> forced expire (live tv recording)" appears in mythbackend.log |
[16:20:11] | sphery: | jams: What's the purpose of the site? To provide info for people looking to buy new systems? |
[16:21:38] | jams: | yes i suppose, or just to see whats out there and the range of hardware in use. |
[16:21:41] | drunken-wallaby: | another interesting note: when i want to change back to the channel i was originally watching, i can't. i have to choose another channel first and then i can select the channel i want to watch |
[16:22:32] | jams: | sphery- soon it will have a wiki, so that you can lookup user committed info about a device you might have |
[16:22:49] | sphery: | jams: I'm thinking "uname -p" type info would be nice (i.e. "AMD Sempron(tm) 3300+" or "AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+" or "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4800+") as they're easier for a user to identify for purchase than AMD processor with 4823.81 bogomips. |
[16:23:00] | sphery: | Also, are you planning to put any capture card info in there? |
[16:23:12] | jams: | it's already there under devices |
[16:23:34] | sphery: | Oh. Just found it. |
[16:24:15] | jams: | to look up an individual machine http://smolt.mythvantage.com/show?UUID=9c2f31 . . . 141421a66a4b |
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[16:24:46] | sphery: | jams: Nice. |
[16:25:04] | jams: | you can choose to share your uuid or not. thats up to the user. |
[16:25:44] | sphery: | I think that may actually be able to prevent some of the "How's this for hardware" threads... |
[16:26:02] | jams: | hope its useful |
[16:26:15] | jams: | and yes it has a mythplugin =) |
[16:26:51] | jams: | http://www.mythvantage.com/e107_plugins/autog . . . hardware.png |
[16:26:55] | sphery: | Going to include a section for comments (i.e. on the specific machine page)? Then I could say, "works great for HD, but I can only do timestretch to 1.35x on 1080i and 1.5x on 720p" |
[16:27:24] | jams: | thats a good idea |
[16:27:27] | ** jams makes a note ** | |
[16:27:40] | sphery: | Since the processor type is in the specific hardware page, I think that's enough. |
[16:28:09] | sphery: | Trying to group on strings that change for even steppings is probably more confusing for the user. |
[16:28:30] | sphery: | I can't really think of anything I'd want to see on there other than comments. |
[16:29:13] | the-erm: | Does anyone know off the top of their head the url where I can see if a capture card is supported. I was thinking about getting an ati all in wonder 2006. |
[16:29:34] | iamlindoro: | Last I checked, the AIW's were poorly supported, if at all |
[16:29:41] | the-erm: | ok |
[16:29:42] | the-erm: | thanks. |
[16:29:49] | iamlindoro: | PVR-150 is your best choice for SD |
[16:29:52] | the-erm: | Then seeing if I could get linux MCE up and running on an old 1.2 ghz machine. |
[16:29:53] | sphery: | definitely |
[16:30:12] | sphery: | (definitely about PVR-150, not about MCE) |
[16:30:28] | the-erm: | So I definitely needed something that has the encoder on board. |
[16:30:37] | sphery: | PVR-150 |
[16:30:41] | iamlindoro: | agreed |
[16:30:54] | iamlindoro: | Cheap, too, if you get a white-box OEM |
[16:31:19] | ** sphery still doesn't understand the draw of Linux MCE ** | |
[16:31:37] | iamlindoro: | nor do I... Idea is great, execution and UI are painful |
[16:32:08] | the-erm: | sphery: have you seen the video? |
[16:32:11] | sphery: | yep |
[16:32:42] | the-erm: | I think it's the interface that does it. |
[16:33:02] | the-erm: | All you really need is a mouse, and you're good to go after you're set up. |
[16:33:19] | sphery: | All I need is one remote and I'm good to go. |
[16:34:09] | sphery: | But, if it's really what you want go for it. |
[16:35:35] | sphery: | I'll still to vanilla Myth (without another UI on top, and without the ability to circumvent Myth, and with the ability to use whatever hardware I like). |
[16:35:42] | sphery: | s/still/stick/ |
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[16:56:20] | ShockValue: | im looking to get away from my 80$ a month comcast bill.. what do you guys think of the hdhomeruns? |
[16:56:47] | ShockValue: | seems like the hdhomerun would pretty much pay for itself after a few months if I could somehow cut my monthly bill |
[16:56:54] | iamlindoro: | People seem pretty happy with them... haven't used one myself... |
[16:57:20] | fryfrog: | ShockValue: if you are doing QAM cable HD, you might not be happy with the result. |
[16:57:31] | fryfrog: | if you are doing OTA HD, any ATSC card will work |
[16:57:42] | fryfrog: | er, as long as you know, myth/linux supports it |
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[17:02:08] | ShockValue: | yeah, i was planning QAM. |
[17:02:21] | fryfrog: | you may or may not get channels you care about |
[17:02:29] | fryfrog: | you'll likely get only the HD OTA channels |
[17:02:37] | iamlindoro: | If you only care about network TV though, you'll be ok |
[17:02:40] | fryfrog: | and a number of crap unencrypted channels like QVC and such |
[17:02:46] | ShockValue: | well, i may and may dont already get the channels I care about with the firewire setup I have |
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[17:02:55] | fryfrog: | you almost certainly won't get the stuff like Discovery HD or TNT HT |
[17:03:13] | ShockValue: | i get PBS and Discovery and TNT, but I dont get NBC. mY cable company is stupid and obstinant |
[17:03:34] | iamlindoro: | I'm pretty sure it's illegal for them to encrypt NVC |
[17:03:36] | iamlindoro: | er NBC |
[17:03:57] | ShockValue: | yeah, I agree, but I dont really have the time or motivation to hire a lawyer. and they now refuse to talk to me since Ive called them about 100 times |
[17:05:07] | ShockValue: | 4 months ago all HD was unencrypted (except premium channels.) then every HD was encrypted.. then 2 months ago TNT and Discovery were unencrypted.. then.. then... blah |
[17:05:28] | ShockValue: | now i get all the HD I care about, except NBC |
[17:05:49] | iamlindoro: | Sheesh... well, you could use the HD Homerun and get OTA on one and QAM on the other, combining to get all you need |
[17:06:02] | ShockValue: | and I'm paying 80$ a month to get jerked around like this.. tired of it :) |
[17:06:52] | ShockValue: | OTA isnt really an option for me... I'm seriously considering just going back to basic cable and signing up for netflix :) |
[17:08:27] | iamlindoro: | Why no OTA? |
[17:08:57] | fryfrog: | ShockValue: I canceled cable totally and just kept internet |
[17:09:05] | fryfrog: | since they can't filter analog, i hooked my PVR500 up to that |
[17:09:14] | fryfrog: | and a cheap ant to my air2pc cards |
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[17:11:24] | ShockValue: | because where I live I get marginal OTA-HD signal at best |
[17:12:07] | ShockValue: | i tried a big antenna on my roof, and I could get the station to come in once in a while if I held my mouth just right.. but mostly it was a bunch of blocky gunk because of my signal strength |
[17:13:32] | ShockValue: | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en& . . . =11&om=1 |
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[17:19:51] | iamlindoro: | Bummer, did you try with pre-amp? |
[17:20:23] | iamlindoro: | Seems like a decent preamp and a directional towards seattle you should be able to get okay signal |
[17:20:54] | iamlindoro: | Although OTA is weird sometimes... places where you should have great signal you sometimes have nothing at all |
[17:21:02] | iamlindoro: | with shadowing and reflections and all |
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[17:30:22] | ShockValue: | i live about 25 feet above sea level.. unfortunatly bainbridge island is directly in my path and seems to block the signal |
[17:30:35] | iamlindoro: | Ah, bummer |
[17:30:39] | sphery: | fryfrog: might not want to make comments like that on a logged chat channel... |
[17:31:31] | ShockValue: | yeah, ive been working out a way to sink bainbridge island. it would increase both my HD reception and the value of my home immensly >:) |
[17:31:40] | iamlindoro: | I think they're obliged to provide analog even without a subscription... I think what he does is legal |
[17:31:54] | iamlindoro: | with Network TV in the US being "public access" |
[17:32:05] | iamlindoro: | hahaha, shockvalue |
[17:32:27] | Yahooadam: | lol shockvalue |
[17:33:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I'm pretty sure they're not. I'm pretty sure the whole reason that the FCC forces them to offer a "basic basic" service for ~$10/mo (i.e. the analog channels they can't filter) is to make it accessible for customers who can't afford the premium price of $30+ cable service. |
[17:33:54] | sphery: | theft of cable service was a huge deal in the '80's and doesn't get as much press now, but I'm sure it's still against the law. |
[17:34:13] | iamlindoro: | hmmm, my understanding was that since they are provided with those channels for free (local network TV), that they were not permitted to charge for it |
[17:34:23] | iamlindoro: | but IANAL :) |
[17:35:11] | sphery: | Well, the $10/mo subscription price that my local cable company charges says they can charge for them. |
[17:35:21] | fryfrog: | you two are talking two different things |
[17:35:41] | iamlindoro: | Well, let's just agree that the cable companies are dirty dirty crook bastards and call it a day ;) |
[17:35:58] | fryfrog: | sphery: they raised my cable modem price by $10, so i guess i'm paying for it |
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[17:36:34] | alexp789: | hi all! has anyone dist-upgraded sid, and broken xorg & nvidia drivers (ABI v2)? |
[17:36:41] | fryfrog: | someday i'll probably try again with a pair of firewire STBs, but the two HD DVRs I had were just to unreliable to justify like $80/mo or so |
[17:37:09] | iamlindoro: | alex, I *think* it should work to do a (and this may not be exact) dkpg-reconfigure nvidia-xorg |
[17:37:19] | iamlindoro: | sudo |
[17:37:34] | sphery: | fryfrog: the extra $10 was probably because you're not getting the $10/mo "package discount" for getting both internet and a $30+ cable TV service. |
[17:37:42] | alexp789: | iamlindoro, oh right, i'll have a go at that thanks very much! |
[17:37:51] | iamlindoro: | np |
[17:37:58] | sphery: | http://www.news.com/2100-1023-930356.html – clearly calls it cable piracy |
[17:38:03] | fryfrog: | could be, i haven't looked at it |
[17:38:11] | fryfrog: | it being my bill i mea |
[17:38:12] | fryfrog: | mean |
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[17:38:31] | iamlindoro: | there ya go, I stand corrected |
[17:39:35] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I will agree with the dirty crook comment, though. |
[17:39:51] | iamlindoro: | Hey, so I note that juski took down his page... did he give up on developing his themes? |
[17:39:54] | sphery: | I use OTA specifically because I wasn't willing to pay my local cable company. |
[17:40:18] | sphery: | Before that (I can't get OTA analog, so until I switched to digital, I needed a service), I used DISH. |
[17:40:29] | iamlindoro: | I know he got irked at all the critics |
[17:40:42] | siXy: | i love the way copyright infringement gets called piracy :) makes me imagine swarthy characters with eyepatches hunched behind a tiny computer |
[17:41:00] | laga: | siXy: like maddox? |
[17:41:22] | sphery: | iamlindoro: http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/index.shtml |
[17:41:24] | sphery: | new license |
[17:41:52] | siXy: | laga: more like capt. jack sparrow crossed with linus torvalds |
[17:41:55] | fryfrog: | is that juski's themes? |
[17:42:11] | laga: | siXy: oh my god. |
[17:42:12] | iamlindoro: | Ah, there we go |
[17:42:12] | laga: | fryfrog: yes. |
[17:42:15] | fryfrog: | ah |
[17:42:24] | iamlindoro: | Was looking for it the other day when I built a new frontend |
[17:42:27] | siXy: | sphery: nice! might be worth putting mepo on there too |
[17:42:32] | iamlindoro: | Had to copy it off my backend when I couldn't find it |
[17:42:47] | laga: | siXy: juski links to it |
[17:43:11] | siXy: | oh ok :) i thought juski had gone permanently awol |
[17:43:13] | fryfrog: | so did juski quit the irc? |
[17:43:24] | laga: | he's back sometimes |
[17:43:25] | iamlindoro: | I think he's just minimizing his time here |
[17:43:32] | fryfrog: | ah |
[17:43:33] | laga: | iamlindoro: which is a good idea :) |
[17:43:41] | fryfrog: | nothing wrong with quitting irc :) |
[17:43:43] | iamlindoro: | true, if only for the frustration factor |
[17:43:48] | fryfrog: | I can't quit you! |
[17:44:01] | jams: | hehehe |
[17:44:15] | laga: | iamlindoro: help, mythbackend broke my cup holder |
[17:45:13] | iamlindoro: | exactly, or, my personal favorites: a) anything related to lirc, b) It says can't connect to mythbackend, what's wrong... and c) MythTV is a FUCKING POS! What a bunch of idiots you guys are to run it! Ummmm... will you fix my problem? |
[17:45:19] | laga: | help! why is nobody listening?! |
[17:45:34] | laga: | 7query iamlindoro plz help!! |
[17:45:50] | sphery: | siXy: Yeah (about the piracy thing). But it makes International Talk Like a Pireate Day more fun because people don't know whether you're doing it for the anti-RIAA/MPAA reason or the Pastafarians/Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster reason or to prevent global warming or ... |
[17:46:07] | iamlindoro: | haha |
[17:46:09] | siXy: | sphery: lmao |
[17:46:44] | sphery: | If only other holidays were so multi-purpose. |
[17:46:46] | siXy: | laga: i love the 'broke my cup holder' :D |
[17:47:51] | sphery: | What about the, "Did you do X?" "Yeah, but that doesn't work." "Did you really do X?" "OK, I'll try it again." "Huh. It worked." |
[17:48:24] | sphery: | Usually though, it takes about 10 to 20 times more work to convince them to try again. |
[17:48:31] | laga: | "LOL dude! i was like totally logged in on the wrong box!" |
[17:48:34] | sphery: | (or for the first time) |
[17:51:11] | iamlindoro: | Or, as a corollary, "I followed the howto WORD FOR WORD!" And then you suggest something from it and it magically works |
[17:51:14] | siXy: | anyone know what mythdvd rips to by default? dont have my mythbox here |
[17:51:41] | laga: | iamlindoro: not to mention that said howtos are for 0.16 usually |
[17:52:09] | sphery: | yeah. Someone needs to make a "Reading a HOWTO HOWTO" |
[17:52:21] | iamlindoro: | Step 1) Actually READ howto |
[17:52:23] | sphery: | siXy: I think perfect is the default (ISO image) |
[17:52:27] | iamlindoro: | Step 2) Do things therein |
[17:52:33] | iamlindoro: | Step 3) ??? |
[17:52:37] | iamlindoro: | Step 4) Profit! |
[17:53:04] | sphery: | step 3) when it doesn't work, start over at step 1, but this time do step 1 |
[17:53:28] | siXy: | sphery: sorry i meant to say on excellent quality |
[17:54:20] | siXy: | ive found info on what it uses for good, and perfect is iso image, but nothing on t'interweb on what it actually uses for ex. |
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[17:57:59] | sphery: | siXy: OK. ISO is different from Perfect. Perfect just rips an MPEG directly out of the DVD (but doesn't save menus, et. al.) |
[17:58:28] | sphery: | I think good = QUALITY_TRANSCODE, Excellent = ' |
[17:58:35] | sphery: | QUALITY_PERFECT |
[17:58:44] | sphery: | and ISO = QUALITY_ISO |
[17:58:53] | laga: | is it ossible to delete files using mythvideo? might make sense if you just need a temporary backup |
[17:59:13] | sphery: | I think you can from the Video Manager |
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[17:59:20] | laga: | cool. |
[17:59:26] | siXy: | oh ok – thats very strange then – as the resulting files will not play in the internal player |
[17:59:27] | laga: | i never use mythvideo so i had to ask ;) |
[18:00:43] | siXy: | play for a few seconds then everything courrupts + dies. skipping causes immediate crash back to main FE |
[18:01:15] | siXy: | tried all options for video out, and for testing purposes sent sound output to /dev/null |
[18:01:49] | sphery: | Might be possible from the MythVideo UI, too. I don't remember (and it would take far more tracing through the code than I'm willing to do, now :). |
[18:02:39] | sphery: | siXy: What do you get from running file on the ripped file? |
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[18:07:07] | siXy: | sphery: hang on |
[18:07:39] | siXy: | (ssh session isnt responding) |
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[18:08:25] | alexp789: | hi all, just incase it helps anyone else, i think the route of my problem was that i had a 'stray' nvidia_dri.so (probably from using the nvidia installer in the past) in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/. I removed this, then reinstalled the nvidia driver by m-a and also reinstalled nvidia-glx.... Thanks everyone. |
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[18:16:58] | siXy: | meh i cant get into my mythbox. I will grab the error log + other outputs when i go home |
[18:17:09] | sphery: | cool. |
[18:18:05] | sphery: | Basically, from the source, it looks like the file should be either ISO, MPEG, or an AVI (but I didn't look to see what the AVI contains). |
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[18:21:23] | sphery: | Hmmm. Found table dvdtranscode, which seems to have the parameters used for the different quality settings. |
[18:22:30] | sphery: | siXy: Looks like divx5. See select * from dvdtranscode where name = 'Excellent'; |
[18:22:59] | mchou: | ok, need help. have 2 ivtv cards and 1 bttv card in same box. dev nodes don't always get assigned the same way to each card on each reboot. How does one go about solving this? |
[18:23:24] | siXy: | sphery: ah thanks! |
[18:23:35] | sphery: | sixy: I guess Excellent, Good, and Medium are all transcode qualities. Perfect is the MPEG straight off the DVD and ISO is the entire DVD. |
[18:23:35] | iamlindoro: | I believe you blacklist them then modprobe them in the order you want... should be a wiki article on it |
[18:23:39] | siXy: | mchou: udev rules |
[18:23:43] | mchou: | the non-deterministic node assignment is driving me batty! |
[18:24:05] | siXy: | or static /dev if you are feeling old-school |
[18:24:34] | mchou: | siXy: I've looked at udev rules.....not clear to me how to make dev node assignment "fixed" |
[18:24:45] | sphery: | mchou: the "right" way is udev, there are many others including blacklisting and manually inserting modules or using ivtv module options to specify the kernel number to use |
[18:24:51] | mchou: | like using pci:vendor ids and stuff.... |
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[18:25:51] | sphery: | mchou: ivtv_first_minor can be set to, i.e., 1 if you have 1 other device. Other gets /dev/video0 and ivtv gets /dev/video1 (and up) |
[18:25:59] | siXy: | mchou: yeah i had to do it once for multiple identical usb ir recievers – but i cant for the life of me remember exactly how |
[18:26:02] | mchou: | sphery: even manual insertions doesnt work in this case because ivtv has some dependences on tuner which brings in bttv..... |
[18:26:26] | sphery: | like I said, the right way is udev... :) |
[18:26:32] | mchou: | and I want bttv card to be assigned to the last v4l dev node |
[18:26:54] | sphery: | but ivtv_first_minor was added so people didn't have to learn to configure their systems correctly (i.e. learn to use udev) |
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[18:27:03] | iamlindoro: | mchou, have you seen this part of the wiki? |
[18:27:04] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Device_Filenames_and_udev |
[18:27:07] | sphery: | what does it matter what kernel number each gets? |
[18:27:28] | mchou: | kernel #? |
[18:27:42] | mchou: | what doe you mean bu kernel # |
[18:27:46] | mchou: | by* |
[18:27:48] | sphery: | just make sure the bttv device is the last whose input is connected in mythtv-setup and it will be least preferred |
[18:27:58] | sphery: | kernel # = 0 in /dev/video0 |
[18:27:59] | mchou: | I only care about major minor :) |
[18:28:36] | mchou: | sphery: I dont even see how that suggestion works |
[18:28:56] | mchou: | mythtv uses dev nodes, no? |
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[18:29:43] | sphery: | yes |
[18:29:50] | sphery: | but in mythtv-setup, you define a card |
[18:29:59] | sphery: | then you connect a video source to inputs on the card |
[18:30:20] | sphery: | the least preferred input will be the input with the highest cardinputid, which is the last input connected to a video source |
[18:30:53] | mchou: | sphery: you going way too far afield. my problem is not inputs |
[18:31:05] | sphery: | the card references a device node (i.e. /dev/video0), but that doesn't make it the most preferred--having the lowest cardinputid makes it hte most preferred) |
[18:31:28] | sphery: | mchou: You still haven't said why you need the bttv to be /dev/video2 (or whatever), instead of /dev/video0 |
[18:31:38] | mchou: | dude, the issue is the dev nodes arent persitent across reboots |
[18:32:26] | mchou: | cause I have my firewire STB hooked up to ivtv and I want to make sure that card gets priority |
[18:33:05] | sphery: | right, so "options ivtv ivtv_first_minor=1" in modprobe.conf, depmod -ae, then next time you reboot bttv is /dev/video0 and ivtv's are /dev/video1 and /dev/video2 and will stay that way forever |
[18:33:16] | mchou: | if somehow dev node gets messed myth gets confused I dont want to record off the wromg card |
[18:34:10] | sphery: | So, you need to distinguish between ivtv cards, too. In that case, you'll need to use udev (it's the /only/ way to distinguish identical cards) |
[18:34:33] | mchou: | exactly |
[18:34:41] | sphery: | http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
[18:35:08] | mchou: | only way I can think of to do that is via pvr150 card serial # |
[18:35:24] | jams: | or the pci slot |
[18:35:33] | mchou: | well, that too |
[18:35:50] | sphery: | many ideas in Writing udev Rules |
[18:35:58] | sphery: | It's also a very good read. |
[18:36:22] | mchou: | and all those ideas suck. I dont care about frigging symlink names |
[18:36:45] | jams: | you don't have to use symlink names |
[18:36:47] | mchou: | they keep metioning that shit in that doc |
[18:36:57] | mchou: | just clouds the issue |
[18:36:58] | sphery: | If you're not willing to read it and understand the concepts (there's more there than just words, you know), you could just set up a slave backend. |
[18:37:01] | jams: | mythtv is more the capable of using /dev/mycard1 |
[18:37:08] | jams: | instead of /dev/video1 |
[18:37:15] | sphery: | exactly |
[18:37:30] | sphery: | which is really nicer than making a /user-level/ program know kernel-level names |
[18:37:32] | mchou: | jams: true, but I dont want to go symlink rout |
[18:37:36] | mchou: | route* |
[18:37:55] | sphery: | he'd rather put kernel config info in the user-level app configuration. :) |
[18:38:04] | jams: | you don't have to use symlinks, just name the device /dev/mycard1 |
[18:38:09] | mchou: | yup. it's called pedal to the metal |
[18:38:18] | sphery: | What's the difference? |
[18:38:19] | siXy: | do slave backends work well yet? in 0.19 they were horrible iirc |
[18:38:42] | sphery: | IMHO, they've worked well since at least 0.13. |
[18:38:53] | sphery: | However, they can be misconfigured so they don't work well. :) |
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[18:39:14] | katanasov: | hi |
[18:39:28] | katanasov: | i've just installed mythtv and some plugin stuff... |
[18:39:54] | katanasov: | but i'm having some troubles when trying to get hi-quality image preview with mythgallery |
[18:39:56] | sphery: | Anyway, mchou, you won't see any performance difference due to using a device name directly versus using a symlink. You can, if you prefer, just change the device names (though it's not as good a solution as using symlinks). |
[18:40:12] | katanasov: | all the thumbnails are in low-resolution |
[18:40:16] | katanasov: | any idea? thx |
[18:40:38] | siXy: | sphery: PEBCAK again then :) |
[18:40:44] | mchou: | who wants to use symlinks when udev is such a screw up?? |
[18:40:59] | katanasov: | anyone using mythgallery? |
[18:41:07] | mchou: | udev interfaces hasn't even stayed the same across revs |
[18:41:21] | sphery: | But Writing udev Rules contains all the information one needs to understand how udev works. With that, one could then write any udev rule he/she wants to do whatever desired with device names, symlinks, etc. |
[18:41:35] | mchou: | sphery: stop kidding yourself |
[18:41:50] | sphery: | So, you're boycotting udev? THe one thing that will allow you to do what you want? |
[18:41:55] | mchou: | udev is not going to be around in a few years |
[18:42:11] | mchou: | hotplug disappeared already |
[18:42:21] | kormoc: | sphery, it's really not worth feeding the troll |
[18:42:25] | mchou: | no, my point is those guys never got it right |
[18:42:26] | siXy: | static /dev would let you too – and you shave some milliseconds off boottime ;) |
[18:42:50] | sphery: | kormoc: thanks... I needed someone to get me to step back. |
[18:42:50] | katanasov: | any idea regarding the low-res thumbnail representation? has anyone else noticed it? |
[18:43:18] | siXy: | katanasov: never noticed myself |
[18:44:09] | mchou: | kormoc: how is asking a real question trolling? |
[18:44:26] | iamlindoro: | Katana, I'm sure the resizing is in the mythgallery code somewhere... I don't know if it's customizable from the frontend, and if it's not, you'll have to look there... I have a hunch that it's fixed |
[18:44:31] | mchou: | kormoc: STFU unless you got something constructive to contribute |
[18:44:41] | iamlindoro: | oh jeez |
[18:45:01] | ** iamlindoro gets some popcorn and settles in for a show. ** | |
[18:45:15] | dablitz: | is there a way to do command line channel switching? |
[18:45:17] | sphery: | mchou: I'd say all the work kormoc has put into MythWeb is definitely something to contribute. Perhaps something more than you've contributed, even. |
[18:45:24] | mchou: | iamlindoro: kormoc has been on my case for ages re trolling |
[18:45:46] | siXy: | dablitz: dvb-tools for dvb cards |
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[18:45:54] | mchou: | sphery: dude, I've contribute code for myth. just look me up in svn |
[18:46:06] | siXy: | no idea for others |
[18:46:13] | dablitz: | thanks |
[18:46:14] | kormoc: | mchou, you were given an answer, instead of being like, I don't really like it but thanks for the suggestion, you try to force everyone to believe your beliefs, that's not constructive for anyone. |
[18:46:19] | iamlindoro: | yeah, and ivtv has a tune command too I believe |
[18:46:24] | sphery: | mchou: I didn't say you hadn't. I'm just saying that kormoc has done a /lot/ for MythWeb. |
[18:46:42] | iamlindoro: | that is, ivtv-tune |
[18:46:43] | mchou: | kormoc: I forced everyone to my beliefs re udev? |
[18:47:02] | kormoc: | Seemed very much like that was what you were trying, yes |
[18:47:05] | mchou: | kormoc: you drink some koolaid I dont know about? |
[18:47:11] | mchou: | kormoc: STFU |
[18:47:22] | mchou: | I didnt even offer any koolaid |
[18:47:30] | kormoc: | mchou, be civil or go away. 'nuff said |
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[18:47:36] | mchou: | lol |
[18:47:49] | ** SiD3WiNDR eyes the channel ** | |
[18:48:00] | mchou: | for someone who wrongly accuses me of being a troll you sure got nerve |
[18:48:20] | ** siXy hides ** | |
[18:48:33] | iamlindoro: | whoah, let's simmer down... remember the old saying about fighting on the internet re: the special olympics |
[18:48:41] | mchou: | kormoc: like I said, unless you got something constructive to say, close that trap of yours |
[18:48:51] | kormoc: | mchou, take your own advice |
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[18:49:19] | mchou: | kormoc: I wouldnt be flaming on you ass if you didntt accuse me of trolling |
[18:49:27] | mchou: | your* |
[18:49:39] | mchou: | so think carefully about that |
[18:50:24] | kormoc: | flaming is not allowed in the channel, so think carefully before you do it in the future, as you won't be warned again |
[18:50:29] | mchou: | lol |
[18:51:06] | mchou: | kormoc, no is falsely acussing me of trolling when I did no such thing |
[18:51:11] | mchou: | accusing |
[18:51:31] | mchou: | go ahead and ban my ass for that |
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[18:52:47] | kormoc: | when talking about a subjective term, one can hardly say it's false or not, esp with others agree |
[18:52:56] | mchou: | kormoc: lol |
[18:53:16] | kormoc: | and with that, I'll ignore you once again and you can go back to blessed ignorance |
[18:53:24] | mchou: | I deal in facts, not subjectivity. you bought subjectivity into this |
[18:53:48] | mchou: | 80 million flies eat shit, does that mean you ought to eat shit too? |
[18:54:05] | mchou: | kormoc: good riddance |
[18:54:09] | laga: | i put him on ignore a long time ago |
[18:54:21] | jams: | mchou- watch your language. |
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[18:55:33] | mchou: | I asked a simple question. At least sphery was helpful. Kormoc butts in sand says I'm trolling. totally non-sequiter |
[18:55:44] | mchou: | says* |
[18:56:16] | mchou: | it's not the first time kormoc has done this |
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[19:25:40] | Kazan: | hmm |
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[19:30:25] | cheshair: | hi guys!! i set "Main > Utilities/Setup > Setup > TV Settings > Playback > General Playback (part2) > Action on playback exit: "Save position and exit" |
[19:30:25] | cheshair: | it works when i play my local stored recordings, but it doesn't when playing a dvd |
[19:30:25] | cheshair: | i mean: when i play a dvd, then stop and play back it again, mythtv doesn't resume from the position i quit |
[19:30:25] | cheshair: | it neither works if i press the "i" button before quitting |
[19:30:26] | cheshair: | any hints? |
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[19:35:08] | siXy: | cheshair: take a not from the fact that that setting is under tv settings not dvd settings............. |
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[19:37:31] | cheshair: | siXy: i know, you are right... i can't find a similar option under dvd settings though |
[19:37:48] | siXy: | there isnt one |
[19:38:56] | cheshair: | siXy: does it mean: no resume while watching my dvds? |
[19:39:11] | cheshair: | siXy: isn't that strange? |
[19:39:29] | siXy: | uh you can pause... |
[19:39:57] | siXy: | why would you want to quit a dvd halfway throuch and mess around in the ui? |
[19:40:01] | siXy: | *through |
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[19:41:51] | cheshair: | maybe i want to quit and resume after an hour. meanwhile i may want to turn off my pc... when i do this on my dvd-home-player it let me resume |
[19:41:57] | cheshair: | siXy: |
[19:43:02] | siXy: | uh. dont think you can. unless maybe xine supports it and you use xine instead of internal dvd player |
[19:46:38] | cheshair: | siXy: i see, thank you very much! |
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[19:52:27] | cheshair: | siXy: see you soon, i'm leaving |
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[19:56:36] | ebil|work: | Hi, I'm about to sign up for internet/tv access and need to know if anyone has successfully set up mythtv to use Fios (I'm NOT doing HD stuff, just SD) I am basically wondering if I will be able to get all of the SD channels without using the set top box, or will I have to hack something together to make mythtv use the set top box as well... |
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[19:58:40] | Kazan: | anyone know when openGL renderers will be stabilized |
[19:58:58] | Kazan: | ebil|work: how does your cable box get it's signal |
[19:59:09] | ebil|work: | I would be using a QIP-2500. |
[19:59:09] | Kazan: | straight off the fiber... or is there a fiber->coax bridge of some sort |
[19:59:22] | ebil|work: | Kazan: ummm, straight from the wall? |
[19:59:29] | Kazan: | that doesn't answer the question |
[19:59:35] | ebil|work: | I didn't think it would |
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[19:59:48] | Kazan: | i was asking what type of cable is coming out of the wall |
[20:00:05] | ebil|work: | ahh, currently it's just standard coax |
[20:00:14] | ebil|work: | I don't have fios installed yet |
[20:00:19] | Kazan: | yeah |
[20:00:22] | ebil|work: | want to make sure it's the right choice |
[20:00:24] | Kazan: | looks like it's going to be coming from the fiber |
[20:00:34] | Kazan: | which means no mythtv for you without manipulating your STB |
[20:00:49] | Kazan: | QIP is QAM over IP |
[20:00:55] | ebil|work: | fark |
[20:01:06] | Kazan: | never heard of a tuner for it that goes in a computer |
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[20:01:14] | ebil|work: | damn |
[20:01:26] | Kazan: | lemme look at this thread on avs forum |
[20:01:33] | ebil|work: | ok, I appreciate it |
[20:02:27] | Kazan: | nope |
[20:02:33] | Kazan: | looks like STB manip is the only method |
[20:03:00] | ebil|work: | how difficult is that? |
[20:03:03] | ebil|work: | (where's the thread?) |
[20:03:04] | Kazan: | not very |
[20:03:07] | Kazan: | IR blaster |
[20:03:22] | Kazan: | may be able to connect directly via firewire |
[20:03:22] | ebil|work: | so I'd need to run an IR blaster to the set top box then |
[20:03:47] | Kazan: | yeah.. either you're going to need to IR Blaster+SVideo+audio cables, or firewire |
[20:03:55] | Kazan: | firewire depends on your boxes capabilities |
[20:04:24] | ebil|work: | hmmmm... crap :( |
[20:04:24] | ebil|work: | it may be better then, for me to just go with regular cable |
[20:04:51] | neofax: | Can anyon help me with SPDIF on a ICE1724 card? |
[20:05:14] | Kazan: | ebil|work: yup |
[20:05:41] | Kazan: | and hopefulyl when everything switches to QAM they'll leave your "expanded basic" channels in the clear for people with TVs with integrated QAM tuners |
[20:06:31] | Kazan: | if any if your local stations broadcast in HD OTA you should find those channels being repeated in QAM (not neccesarily on their OTA freq.. but it's trivially easy to remap the IDs so filldatabase catches them) unencrypted :D |
[20:06:49] | Kazan: | i actually get like two more useful channels in clear QAM than via ATSC |
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[20:07:30] | ** fysa pays $13/mo for basic cable to get QAM and not have to climb on the roof ;) ** | |
[20:08:08] | Kazan: | heh |
[20:08:11] | ebil|work: | Kazan: I appreciate the input, I think you've made up my mind, if only cox would give me a price for 15/2 service with standard cable... |
[20:08:29] | Kazan: | 79-channel cable (with like.. 9 QAM channels) comes 'free' with my apartment |
[20:08:30] | fysa: | funnily enough, they offer "Channels 1–99 expanded basic" for $26/mo |
[20:08:36] | fysa: | all analog, of course |
[20:08:51] | fysa: | but then I asked if they had anything cheaper and they offered "Channels 1–26 basic basic" for $13/month |
[20:09:09] | fysa: | and it seems like they lacked the ability to remove my access to those 27–99 analog stations ;) |
[20:09:48] | Kazan: | pretty much |
[20:10:06] | Kazan: | they have to manually go to your connection box and install a frequency filter |
[20:10:13] | Kazan: | sounds like they were too lazy to install it |
[20:10:41] | Kazan: | i think all the signals for digital cable are available to my system when I do a QAM256 scan.. they're just all encrypted |
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[20:11:20] | fysa: | yeah, I just get the networks in the clear plus a few promo stations |
[20:12:10] | Kazan: | there is some "Sportsman channel" i get in clear QAM.. but cannot find any listing data etc for.. not that I care |
[20:12:34] | iamlindoro: | OLN? |
[20:13:21] | jimbalaya: | (QAM is HD, right? ... and ATSC is standard coax?) |
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[20:13:51] | iamlindoro: | ATSC is the broadcast standard the encompasses HD, and QAM is the modulation used in coax |
[20:13:53] | Kazan: | jimbalaya: QAM is digital |
[20:13:59] | Kazan: | not everything broadcast digitally is HD |
[20:14:06] | Kazan: | but everything broadcast HD is digital |
[20:14:31] | Kazan: | i don't know if you would say "ATSC encompasses HD"... more like covers it's OTA broadcast |
[20:14:38] | iamlindoro: | QAM is analog |
[20:14:48] | Kazan: | ........ |
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[20:14:58] | ** Kazan grabs a wiki article ** | |
[20:15:11] | Kazan: | by that definition then computers are analog |
[20:15:27] | iamlindoro: | It's a modulated waveform |
[20:15:43] | Kazan: | so is how we represent 0/1s on ethernet |
[20:15:44] | Kazan: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrature_ampli . . . #Digital_QAM |
[20:16:06] | iamlindoro: | Digital QAM exists, but QAM is not digital |
[20:16:10] | iamlindoro: | that was what I maent |
[20:16:11] | iamlindoro: | er meant |
[20:16:16] | Kazan: | QAM with a power-of-two number followed by it is explicitly digital |
[20:16:16] | iamlindoro: | that analog QAM exists |
[20:16:28] | Kazan: | i've never heard of analog qam being used for TV |
[20:16:57] | Kazan: | [Samuel L Jackson]Context motherf***ker...[/SLJ] :P |
[20:17:01] | iamlindoro: | Digital QAM is the johnny-come-lately... Analog QAM in TV far predates it |
[20:17:52] | mkrufky: | everybody here in my office has been poking fun at the "true qam" verizon commercial |
[20:18:00] | Kazan: | ? |
[20:18:05] | iamlindoro: | Before cable companies were ramming their BS "digital cable" down our throats, it was all analog QAM :) |
[20:18:10] | Kazan: | haven't seen it.. the wonders of comercial detection |
[20:18:19] | mkrufky: | eh, if you didnt see the commercial, then it isnt funny |
[20:18:20] | Kazan: | mkrufky: how are the drivers for the HVR1800 coming? |
[20:18:26] | jimbalaya: | when someone subscribes to (SD) digital cable, and they get the set-top box – that's only for the specific digital channels, right? (ie: you can still plug directly into the wall and get 'standard cable') |
[20:18:34] | Kazan: | i have a suspicion my 500 may have a problem |
[20:18:35] | mkrufky: | Kazan: nice, ready, and included in 2.6.24 |
[20:18:43] | iamlindoro: | jimbalaya, usually, yeah |
[20:18:46] | Kazan: | analog and digital sides? |
[20:18:53] | mkrufky: | right now just atsc |
[20:18:59] | Kazan: | jimbalaya: yes |
[20:19:02] | mkrufky: | analog will probably appear in a month or so |
[20:19:08] | mkrufky: | qam sometime before then |
[20:19:13] | mkrufky: | i can only guess |
[20:19:15] | Kazan: | jimbalaya: digital cable is your normal analog extended basic + a bunch of qam channels encrypted |
[20:19:22] | mkrufky: | the code works, just not released yet |
[20:19:23] | Kazan: | so before i would be buying one |
[20:19:41] | Kazan: | i've been seeing weird image problems from one of my hauppauge tuners.. not which (i have a 150 and a 500 in my system) |
[20:20:03] | Kazan: | pretty much all with one show and channel (Law and order: SVU on channel 25) |
[20:20:19] | Kazan: | image "tears" in various random manners that resemble VHS tracking problems |
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[20:25:56] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, just looking at the HVR 1800, looks like it will become the "card to have" |
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[20:27:58] | fysa: | I think I would prefer the HDHomerun still. |
[20:28:26] | iamlindoro: | Meh, different animals |
[20:28:35] | fysa: | how so? |
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[20:29:12] | iamlindoro: | Well, I prefer not to stream anything critical across the network... too many points of failure for my taste |
[20:29:43] | fysa: | it has one digital and one analog tuner |
[20:29:45] | iamlindoro: | Plus, nic,e to use those PCI Express slots I've never used :) |
[20:30:01] | fysa: | I'd prefer to save the PCI Express slots for more SATA controllers ;) |
[20:30:25] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, as I mentioned, my primary problem is I don't want it streaming over the network when I care about it getting recorded |
[20:30:40] | iamlindoro: | And that's just my preference, your choice is, of course, yours |
[20:30:44] | fysa: | I've never had a network cable 'fail' |
[20:31:05] | mkrufky: | ...then you haven't run enough cable |
[20:31:06] | fysa: | possibly from getting used/moved around too much |
[20:31:45] | fysa: | but the 6 inches between an HDHomerun and my switch, I think I can risk it ;) |
[20:32:09] | fysa: | if the network goes down, my netbooting frontend won't be much good anyway ;) |
[20:32:50] | iamlindoro: | Switches fail, cables fail, networks get bogged down, etc... I just feel more comfortable with in-box stuff in my own system |
[20:32:57] | fysa: | maybe if it had 4 tuners |
[20:32:59] | fysa: | two dual |
[20:33:07] | iamlindoro: | But as I said, what works for you is your choice |
[20:33:29] | fysa: | thanks for reminding me, I almost just placed an order for that card on accident |
[20:33:31] | fysa: | ;) |
[20:34:50] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky, when driver is completed, does the hardware support concurrent recording of one ATSC and one NTSC source? |
[20:35:04] | iamlindoro: | Or is it limited to one at a time? |
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[20:35:37] | Kazan: | iamlindoro: the HVR 1800 is like the PVR-500 |
[20:35:41] | Kazan: | except one head is ATSC/QAM |
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[20:35:41] | iamlindoro: | I would assume it can do both at once |
[20:35:49] | iamlindoro: | Since only the analog source would need encoding |
[20:35:53] | Kazan: | and the analog head has a newer conexant chip |
[20:35:53] | iamlindoro: | excellent |
[20:36:18] | iamlindoro: | yeah, nice... currently have a 150 and an HD 5000 so it would do the job of both |
[20:36:24] | Kazan: | i believe mkrufky said something about ot being superior to the old ivtv 15/16 chips |
[20:36:37] | Kazan: | i have a pvr-500, a kworld atsc 110 and a pvr-500 |
[20:36:45] | Kazan: | erg a 150 and a 500 |
[20:36:51] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: yes |
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[20:37:19] | iamlindoro: | I currently have a hard enough time finding things to record with what I've got, so maybe on the next box... there's so little worth watching in the first place :) |
[20:37:23] | mkrufky: | Kazan: hvr1800 is not like pvr500 in the least bit |
[20:37:34] | Kazan: | when i eventually upgrade i'll be going to pci-x so i can grab two 1800s and not worry about having too few pci slots |
[20:37:39] | mkrufky: | the only thing in common is the FACT that there are two tuners |
[20:37:42] | Kazan: | mkrufky: electronically no |
[20:37:50] | mkrufky: | the pvr500 is actually two devices on one pcb |
[20:37:53] | Kazan: | that's the important smiliarity i was making reference to |
[20:37:57] | j2^: | Good evening. I give up, i have read the list archives until i am blue in the face.. and i still cannot work out which video card chipset to choose for a frontend that can handle HDTV playback... |
[20:38:02] | Kazan: | yup with a pci-to-pci bridge |
[20:38:04] | j2^: | (PCI-express) |
[20:38:06] | mkrufky: | the hvr1800 is a single device, with three transports, and two tuners |
[20:38:14] | Kazan: | j2^: what's your processor |
[20:38:22] | Kazan: | three transports? |
[20:38:27] | j2^: | Kazan: I think ill go with a quad core 2,4 |
[20:38:33] | mkrufky: | it can stream live video and mpeg video from the same tuner concurrently with atsc / qam from a 2nd tuner |
[20:38:35] | j2^: | or maybe a dual core 2.4 |
[20:38:52] | Kazan: | j2^: so the processor should have plenty of umph for decoding HD... then it doesn't really matter |
[20:39:11] | mkrufky: | KaZeR: three transports == live (raw) video , hardware encoded mpeg video, and digital mpeg TS |
[20:39:11] | j2^: | Kazan: Yeah, but afaik nVidia is a better bet then ATi, right? |
[20:39:15] | Kazan: | with a processor with enough power to decode HD and have plenty left over i would avoid XvMC |
[20:39:19] | Kazan: | only because nvidia has XvMC |
[20:39:19] | iamlindoro: | anything nVidia |
[20:39:28] | iamlindoro: | the ATI drivers suck suck suck |
[20:39:33] | Kazan: | only time i will EVER recomend nvidia is for xvmc |
[20:39:44] | Kazan: | iamlindoro: yeah but, excluding the 8000 series, nvidia silicon sucks |
[20:39:49] | j2^: | Kazan: Sooo, i could use a Giagbyte board i found, with integrated HDMI with a SIL1392 chip? |
[20:40:03] | Kazan: | .... not familiar with the sil1392 chip |
[20:40:14] | Kazan: | is that a VPU? |
[20:40:32] | iamlindoro: | Kazan: are you saying you'd actually TELL someone to get an ATI card for a linux system? I think you'd get a lot of argument here... Myth lists echo with the cries of ATI users since the beginning of time |
[20:40:38] | j2^: | Kazan: I think so... I just found the board myself.. trying to download the manual to see what is what... |
[20:40:58] | Kazan: | iamlindoro: i'm a gamer |
[20:41:11] | iamlindoro: | 'cause all the silicon in the world is just expensive paperweight without a decent driver |
[20:41:11] | j2^: | Would a 7-series be better choise then a 6-series, or does it not matter for a mythbox? |
[20:41:25] | Kazan: | iamlindoro: gaming comes to mind first.. and until the 8000 series nvidia's silicon has always left things severely wanting... none of the game artists i know will touch nvidia boards |
[20:41:39] | iamlindoro: | *linux* gaming?? |
[20:41:43] | Kazan: | gaming period |
[20:41:50] | Kazan: | i've never had problems with the ATI drivers gaming under linux |
[20:42:11] | Kazan: | only problem i've EVER had with ati drivers under linux is their XVideo overlay oddity |
[20:42:21] | Kazan: | and that only seemed to happen in myth |
[20:42:39] | siXy: | j2^: there is a nice asus 7300 card thats completely passive and ideal for a myth FE |
[20:42:49] | j2^: | Does anyone know if Realteks 7.1 Codec is supported decently= |
[20:42:51] | siXy: | cheap too |
[20:42:58] | siXy: | j2^: which one? |
[20:43:00] | Kazan: | however i do most of my gaming under windblows because, alas, programmers are too farking lazy to use SDL, OpenGL, etc |
[20:43:01] | j2^: | sixy: Yeah, i've seen a few of those. |
[20:43:03] | iamlindoro: | well, kinda seems like he's trying to run a myth system, and I know that anecdotally, ATI boards seems to be a bust for most people in Myth |
[20:43:21] | j2^: | Sixy: ACL889A |
[20:43:21] | Kazan: | iamlindoro: that's why i said myth is the only time i will recommend nvidia |
[20:43:37] | Kazan: | (well... and directx10 i guess until ATI fixes the performance problems in the HD2k series) |
[20:43:38] | iamlindoro: | There ya go, ergo my recommendation of an nVidia board |
[20:44:06] | Kazan: | mkrufky: why even bother with the raw transport :P who is EVER going to use it |
[20:44:21] | j2^: | Ahaaa... SIL1392 is a HDMI driver.. the actual chipset is Intel GMA3100 |
[20:44:58] | ** Kazan twitches... intel... video.... ** | |
[20:45:05] | ** Kazan is reminded of cirrus logic :D ** | |
[20:45:23] | siXy: | j2^: i dont see any reference to that on the alsa website – so i wouldnt get your hopes up |
[20:45:32] | mkrufky: | Kazan: did you want the mpeg encoder to work? |
[20:45:48] | j2^: | sixy: Sooo, whats a cheap way to getting optical out? :) |
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[20:46:07] | iamlindoro: | lots of good, cheap PCI cards with optical |
[20:46:13] | mkrufky: | ....and , anybody that's trying to play a video game thru it will need the raw video... anything else isn't LIVE |
[20:46:14] | iamlindoro: | should be able to get almost anything to work |
[20:46:41] | Kazan: | mkrufky: oh.. it's not available to the main computer.. it's just between the tuner and the encoder? |
[20:47:04] | siXy: | j2^: i have a cheap terratec card for that |
[20:47:06] | Kazan: | not to mention no-so-cheap cards like GOOD audigy 4s |
[20:47:17] | siXy: | works fine |
[20:47:32] | j2^: | Crap.. i will run out of PCI-slots tho... |
[20:47:34] | siXy: | dolby digital and dts both work beautifully |
[20:47:34] | Kazan: | how much delay does the mpeg encoder add? |
[20:47:46] | j2^: | I need either internal video or internal optical out to work :) |
[20:47:53] | mkrufky: | Kazan: huh? |
[20:48:11] | siXy: | j2^: what size does the motherboard need to be? |
[20:48:41] | Kazan: | mkrufky: you said the mpeg encoder isn't live |
[20:48:51] | Kazan: | mkrufky: how much delay does video encounter going through the encoder |
[20:49:06] | j2^: | siXy: i kinda like the Antec Fusion... so M-ATX |
[20:49:16] | mkrufky: | Kazan: it's live, but no mpeg encoder is live ENOUGH |
[20:49:20] | mkrufky: | not for video games |
[20:49:39] | AndyCap: | http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0081/t.2097.html |
[20:50:14] | mkrufky: | you have to consider, #1, the analog video digitizer has to process the video... not much of a delay there.... then, the mpeg encoder has to deal with it... slight delay.... then is has to be decoder on the host... some delay there too |
[20:50:16] | Kazan: | i was just wonderhin how much delay it added |
[20:50:52] | mkrufky: | last time i looked, using pvr350... i think it was a galf second |
[20:50:55] | mkrufky: | half , that is |
[20:51:02] | mkrufky: | but.... it depends on many factors |
[20:51:08] | mkrufky: | i happen to have a fast computer |
[20:51:25] | siXy: | j2^: do you need hdmi out? |
[20:51:36] | j2^: | sixy: Well, or DVI so i can convert. |
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[20:51:53] | siXy: | how about: Asus M2A-VM HDMI |
[20:52:05] | siXy: | oh ait gfx :S |
[20:52:08] | siXy: | ati |
[20:52:36] | j2^: | sixy: and also, i am kinda set on Core2Duo |
[20:52:45] | j2^: | ...or quad ;) |
[20:53:29] | iamlindoro: | Was shocked at how the quad prices have come down... saw a Core 2 Quad proc and motherboard for $250 yesterday |
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[20:54:35] | siXy: | would coax spdif out do or does it need to be opt? |
[20:54:36] | ** Kazan still leans toward AMD processors ** | |
[20:54:47] | Kazan: | though.. i haven't heard anything particularily bad about c2d and i've heard good things |
[20:54:48] | iamlindoro: | Depends on your receiver |
[20:54:54] | j2^: | sixy: i DO have a Coax->Opt converter.. so coax would suffice.. |
[20:55:03] | Kazan: | was an intel fan until they came out with the P4 |
[20:55:10] | siXy: | didnt even know you could get those |
[20:55:27] | j2^: | sixy: its a $20 item really. |
[20:55:37] | bsdfox__: | iamlindoro: where? and what cpu |
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[20:56:17] | iamlindoro: | bsdfox, was in the Fry's electronics Ads, and was a (if memory serves) Q6400 |
[20:56:40] | bsdfox__: | cool |
[20:56:48] | bsdfox__: | I love frys combos :) |
[20:56:58] | iamlindoro: | Just gotta watch for that return sticker |
[20:57:03] | bsdfox__: | yep |
[20:57:09] | iamlindoro: | those guys are bastards about selling people busted stuff |
[20:57:10] | bsdfox__: | I've bought all my current systems there |
[20:57:21] | j2^: | Well, i paid just over $1k for Q6600, 8GB DDR2/800, Motherboard, 8800GTX/768 and a 600W PSU last week... so yeah.. prices are coming down... |
[20:57:30] | bsdfox__: | $80 for e2140 and crappy mobo :P |
[20:57:43] | bsdfox__: | that's really cheap j2 |
[20:57:58] | iamlindoro: | Nice |
[20:58:03] | bsdfox__: | 600W psu is probably a joke but that's still cheap |
[20:58:03] | j2^: | You want the real kicker? Guess how much i PAID for it? :P |
[20:58:14] | bsdfox__: | just over 1k? |
[20:58:27] | j2^: | bsdfox__: Nah, got an efficiency of about 86% |
[20:58:35] | bsdfox__: | you don't need 600W though |
[20:58:42] | j2^: | bsdfox__: No, a Socket 423-cpu... and I KID YOU NOT. |
[20:58:45] | bsdfox__: | probably a 250W computer |
[20:58:56] | j2^: | bsdfox__: I know.. but my 350 Antec was not enough. |
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[21:01:12] | siXy: | j2^: i cant seem to find anything amazing on the market right now – could you re-evaluate your caes choice and have enough slots for both a gfx card and a soundcard? |
[21:01:14] | j2^: | bsdfox__: Lets just say that a client has now learned that you should NOT run critical services on 4 year old no-name PC's... especially not when that has been pointed out again and again, and their fine for downtime is about $30k/hour.. (sequenced delivery to anutomotive plant).... |
[21:02:03] | j2^: | sixy: if i can find a nice chassis for a normal ATX... sure. |
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[21:02:50] | bsdfox__: | you shouldn't run critical services on one pc anyways :P |
[21:03:19] | j2^: | bsdfox__: For sure... but hey... "it's cheap". |
[21:03:28] | bsdfox__: | lol |
[21:03:47] | siXy: | j2^: well this is amazing: http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1276.html |
[21:03:54] | j2^: | So, i told them straight out. I have a 423 in an old box. I will trade it for new guts for THAT machine, since i will not have an eaier time finding a spare for that... |
[21:03:56] | j2^: | *ahem* |
[21:04:19] | j2^: | sixy: yeaaahhh... but that is a bit TO expensive :) |
[21:05:03] | siXy: | yeah its a pity tho – its a beautiful case |
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[21:06:06] | j2^: | Or.. maybe i should get a HDMI-extender, and hive everything in a normal chassi in my closet.....' |
[21:07:52] | siXy: | j2^: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/enclosure.php?area=usa lots there |
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[21:08:19] | iamlindoro: | I like those silverstone cases... rather wish I had gotten one for my core myth system |
[21:08:34] | iamlindoro: | I believe they tend to use well-supported VFDs for Myth, too |
[21:09:41] | j2^: | iamlindoro: good point. I need to check that when buying.. What about USB-iMon? |
[21:09:55] | siXy: | j2^: that works fine |
[21:09:58] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
[21:10:05] | iamlindoro: | check the lcdproc page for supported hardware |
[21:10:14] | siXy: | there are several different imon lirc modules depending on moel |
[21:10:18] | siXy: | *model |
[21:11:32] | j2^: | But,, Seriously.. does the GMA3100 work? |
[21:12:00] | siXy: | j2^: no idea |
[21:12:10] | siXy: | probably not very well for HD |
[21:12:57] | j2^: | Why has noone thought about making a single PCI-Express carcd with both video and audio... *bah* |
[21:13:34] | siXy: | j2^: http://www.origenae.com/en/index.htm and http://www.ahanix.com/products/mce/ are the other two, besides silverstone, that make lots of nice htpc cases |
[21:13:38] | iamlindoro: | 'cause one is so commonly on-board that it's probably not owrth the cost |
[21:14:03] | j2^: | sixy: never seen ahanix on the swedish market tho... |
[21:14:32] | j2^: | iamlindoro: Yeah, but you know what i mean ;) |
[21:14:34] | siXy: | j2^: like mot things they can probably be imported – or found in small dedicated shops |
[21:14:36] | iamlindoro: | yaeh |
[21:14:38] | iamlindoro: | er yeah |
[21:17:17] | j2^: | Thanks for all input! I need to find my bed now tho..... |
[21:17:18] | siXy: | j2^: http://www.mm-vision.dk/default.asp?menu=dvd& . . . ;action=shop |
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[21:18:01] | j2^: | sixy: thanks! But originae is easy to find in sweden tho... the ahanix cases DOES however look nice. |
[21:18:38] | siXy: | wow this http://www.origenae.com/en/htpc_s21t.htm is a beast.. 21" lcd on the front |
[21:19:04] | iamlindoro: | Jeez, talk about going overboard |
[21:19:10] | Kazan: | best buy is terminating sales of analog tvs |
[21:19:17] | iamlindoro: | I sometimes feel like I'm the only one who likes understated any more :) |
[21:19:18] | siXy: | sillyest case i ever saw :) |
[21:19:22] | j2^: | siXy: 12".. not 21" :P |
[21:19:36] | j2^: | But yeah... thats a SUVified HTPC :) |
[21:19:50] | siXy: | yeah typo :) |
[21:20:17] | j2^: | siXy: then again... first time i saw an ad for a 17" laptop.. i thought THAT was a typo... now i own one... |
[21:21:07] | siXy: | you thought it was 71"? :P |
[21:21:19] | siXy: | (now that would be hard to carry on the train) |
[21:21:27] | j2^: | sixy: No, i just thought "Yeah.. as if someone would build THAT" ;) |
[21:21:30] | iamlindoro: | Hey now, my myth system is a 106" :) |
[21:21:42] | siXy: | iamlindoro: projector? |
[21:21:47] | iamlindoro: | There are things worth throwing a pantload of screen at :) |
[21:21:49] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
[21:21:54] | iamlindoro: | 1080p Mitsu |
[21:21:59] | siXy: | oh nice |
[21:22:07] | iamlindoro: | Best. Half-Life games. Ever. |
[21:22:17] | iamlindoro: | And I don't even like FPS's |
[21:22:18] | j2^: | I work with a Japanese outfit.. The japanese visitors all favour the small panasonic toughbook... Four of those have a bout the same volume as my nx9420. |
[21:22:35] | j2^: | Then again.. my 9420 can handle Episode Two in 1680x1050 just fine :) |
[21:22:37] | siXy: | me + the wife are thinking of getting a 41" plasma for christmas, not having the wallspace for a 106" projector |
[21:22:50] | Kazan: | ZOMG HENIOUS CODE! :D mwahaha |
[21:23:03] | siXy: | ? |
[21:23:11] | Kazan: | lemme finish the line and i'll show you |
[21:23:45] | Kazan: | covertals[covertals[j][k]].resize(covertals[covertals[j][k]].size()+1); |
[21:23:48] | Kazan: | covertals[covertals[j][k]][covertals[covertals[j][k]].size()-1] = j; |
[21:23:59] | Kazan: | my eyes! my eyes! :D |
[21:24:14] | j2^: | Kazan: That does it, I'm going to bed.... NOW ;) |
[21:24:25] | j2^: | Once again, thanks for all input folks! |
[21:24:34] | Kazan: | hahaha :D |
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[21:24:57] | Kazan: | i just made it simplier by realizing i had a spare temp varaible so i could remove the reapting of covertals[j][k] |
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[21:25:19] | siXy: | not all of us speak c :P |
[21:25:27] | Kazan: | that's c++ actually |
[21:25:41] | mkrufky: | Kazan: looks like 1/4 sec delay |
[21:25:44] | siXy: | well pfft to that |
[21:25:46] | Kazan: | mkrufky: fun! |
[21:25:53] | Kazan: | covertals is a vector of vectors |
[21:25:54] | mkrufky: | Kazan: but that's just an estimation |
[21:26:01] | Kazan: | mkrufky: yeah that would make a big dif :D |
[21:26:04] | ** mkrufky loves it that it's his job to have those answers :-P ** | |
[21:26:11] | Kazan: | mwahaha |
[21:26:22] | mkrufky: | its a big difference for gaming |
[21:26:24] | ** siXy loves that it isn't his ** | |
[21:26:28] | mkrufky: | but no big deal at all for TV |
[21:26:36] | Kazan: | sixy: i'm having to brute-force figure out the "facet angles" for smoothing.. given face-norms + point norms |
[21:26:44] | Kazan: | it's going to be HENIOUSLY LONG |
[21:27:06] | mkrufky: | i'm right now just watching the video stream next to the mpeg stream, and i can see the small delay |
[21:27:24] | ** siXy puts on his best knowing look and pretends to understand what Kazan is talking about ** | |
[21:27:31] | mkrufky: | if i had two, i could test using a timestamp... but that would be TOO easy |
[21:27:37] | mkrufky: | er, if i had TO |
[21:27:39] | mkrufky: | (not two) |
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[21:28:08] | Kazan: | siXy: do you know what a polygon normal is? |
[21:28:34] | siXy: | Kazan: yes. in terms of 3D rendering, anyway. |
[21:28:44] | Kazan: | that's exactly what i'm talking about |
[21:28:56] | Kazan: | each vertex of a polygon can also have it's own normal |
[21:29:04] | Kazan: | which is not neccesarily the same as the polygon one |
[21:29:12] | Kazan: | this is used for "rounding" corners |
[21:29:30] | siXy: | ah ok :) |
[21:29:42] | siXy: | im much more in favour of the point and click approach myself |
[21:29:53] | Kazan: | modeling programs typically have three settings – no smoothing (all point norms = polygon norm), full smoothing (all point norms = average normal of all polygons sharing point) and "autofacet" |
[21:30:25] | Kazan: | the third being "point norms = average of normals of all sharing polygons who's angle is <= X" |
[21:30:50] | siXy: | Kazan: the one i used to use (lightwave) had a lot more options than that.. but yeah i get the idea |
[21:30:52] | Kazan: | well.. i need to figure out which of these three is being done, and if the third the angle, given just the polygon data (vertexes, and norms) |
[21:31:14] | Kazan: | well the modeling environment that is supported right now is caligari truespace |
[21:31:26] | Kazan: | next version of my program will support the ASE format.. so pretty much everyone then |
[21:31:46] | siXy: | that sounds a deeply unpleasant mathmatical + programming problem |
[21:31:56] | Kazan: | (my program converts back and forth between FreeSpace 2's object format, and caligari's) |
[21:31:58] | Kazan: | yes |
[21:32:08] | Kazan: | i think this process may be considered NP-hard |
[21:35:03] | Kazan: | ai curumba.... this process will definantly be too too ugly to consider! |
[21:42:28] | Kazan: | just thinking about how much processing time this is going to take is giving me a heart attack! |
[21:44:51] | ShockValue: | havent thought of lightwave in a long time... good old amiga :) |
[21:45:11] | Kazan: | from what i'm told lightwave is godlike.. but i can't seem to get the hang of it |
[21:45:23] | Kazan: | i can barely use truespace.. just enough to understand the model format (i'm not an artist.. just a coder) |
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[21:48:35] | Kazan: | wtf? |
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[21:53:51] | jarle: | Blender is the "free" alternative to Lightwave... |
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[21:57:31] | Kazan: | don't mention blender in my presence |
[21:57:49] | Kazan: | the official documentation for my program reads "if you use blender, don't expect support" |
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[21:58:31] | Kazan: | it's COB exports were so.... corrupt.... that it pretty much would ALWAYS send the BSP algorithm into infinite recursion due to it making duplicate polygons |
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[22:01:14] | bagpuss_thecat: | do any of the themes in mythtv support animations between menu items? |
[22:01:32] | bagpuss_thecat: | such as a sliding selection box, or sliding transitions |
[22:01:37] | jams: | nope |
[22:02:17] | jarle: | I heard there was a fix in trunk that stopped the backend from crashing due to low quality dvb signals, any idea if this fix will be backported to -fixes?? backend seems to be failing several times each day here at the moment... |
[22:02:38] | bagpuss_thecat: | jams: ah well. Any idea if there's plans for that sorta thing? :-) |
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[22:03:49] | Matt: | seems you get a nice fading thing between menus if you use opengl to draw |
[22:03:58] | siXy: | jarle: personally I use a more complex version of: "while true; do mythbackend >> /var/log/mythtv.log; done" |
[22:04:08] | Matt: | or at least, that's what I noticed after installing the blootube theme and setting the frontend to use opengl |
[22:04:34] | Kazan: | opengl rendering is currently unstable, and therefore disabled, in trunk :( |
[22:04:35] | bagpuss_thecat: | cool, I'll see if this kit can do that |
[22:05:04] | siXy: | bagpuss_thecat: ogl seems to work fine for me on both stable and on -fixes |
[22:05:29] | jarle: | siXy: I had to put up monit to make sure the backend is restarted, but still my girlfriend gets a bit mad when the backend crashes during a show... |
[22:05:36] | ** bagpuss_thecat watches the TV flicker as X restarts ** | |
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[22:09:34] | bagpuss_thecat: | judging from the appalling rate of fade, my hardware isn't accelerated on the tvout port :-) |
[22:11:51] | siXy: | bagpuss_thecat: glxinfo | grep direct |
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[22:17:13] | bagpuss_thecat: | siXy: think it's a not. Not the usual mesa indirect stuff, but instead a failure |
[22:17:26] | bagpuss_thecat: | "find_mesa_visual returned NULL for visualID = 0x0025" :-) |
[22:17:38] | bagpuss_thecat: | nasty nasty onboard ATI stuff on a Shuttle |
[22:18:02] | siXy: | bagpuss_thecat: in that case, no chance of ogl drawing |
[22:19:07] | bagpuss_thecat: | I have the electronic bits to make a VGA to SCART converter, I just need to get my arse into gear |
[22:19:29] | bagpuss_thecat: | I'm pretty sure the chipset can do 3d acceleration on the vga port |
[22:19:52] | docjay: | can anyone help me install sound drivers for my intel chipset mobo? |
[22:19:52] | bagpuss_thecat: | Radeon 9100 IGP thing |
[22:20:46] | siXy: | bagpuss_thecat: in linux you will find getting 3d accel on that hard. very. |
[22:20:55] | bagpuss_thecat: | yup |
[22:21:00] | bagpuss_thecat: | crap fglrx drivers |
[22:21:02] | siXy: | docjay: ask in your distro's channel |
[22:21:36] | docjay: | trying...they keep ignoring — oh well, TV with no sound |
[22:23:06] | siXy: | docjay: if noone is answering you try rephrasing your question, specifiying the specific problem you are having. 'it doesnt work' is NOT a problem. |
[22:23:48] | siXy: | 95% of the time people ignoring you means you are asking the wrong question, or the question in a wrong way |
[22:24:03] | docjay: | yeah, I think I'm being pretty specific about it....maybe I'll find someone to help me out sooner or later |
[22:24:54] | siXy: | did you ask like this: "<docjay> can anyone help me install sound drivers for my intel chipset mobo?" ? |
[22:24:56] | bagpuss_thecat: | docjay: are the cards being listed in dmesg after you rmmod and modprobe the kernel modules? |
[22:25:11] | bagpuss_thecat: | and if so, are the relevant channels unmuted? |
[22:25:20] | bagpuss_thecat: | since alsa will default to being muted iirc |
[22:25:51] | docjay: | sixy – yes I tried that one :) |
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[22:26:19] | siXy: | docjay: then thats why you are not getting answered. |
[22:26:35] | docjay: | well, I've tried more than one way to ask |
[22:27:02] | siXy: | in the meantime, bagpuss_thecat asked you some questions |
[22:27:44] | docjay: | bagpuss – I did the dmesg but I don't know how to rmmod and modprove the kernel modules.. |
[22:28:39] | bagpuss_thecat: | I don't know what card you have, or what modules it would use anyway, but you can get a lsit of loaded modules with lsmod |
[22:28:49] | bagpuss_thecat: | s/lsit/list/ |
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[22:29:33] | docjay: | it comes back with command not found |
[22:29:41] | bagpuss_thecat: | using lspci to get details about your card may also help out |
[22:29:47] | bagpuss_thecat: | are you root? |
[22:29:56] | docjay: | nope, let me try htat |
[22:30:16] | siXy: | bagpuss_thecat: you let yourself in for this ;) |
[22:30:52] | docjay: | sixy – I'm not a total tard, but I'm sorta new with linux ;) |
[22:31:03] | bagpuss_thecat: | siXy: I have that habit :-) |
[22:31:11] | bagpuss_thecat: | however, I should also be in bed by now :-p |
[22:31:25] | docjay: | umm, still command not found :) |
[22:31:33] | docjay: | s/lsit/list/ |
[22:31:55] | docjay: | maybe like: sudo s/lsit/list/ |
[22:31:58] | siXy: | docjay: what distro? |
[22:32:03] | docjay: | ubuntu |
[22:32:06] | docjay: | fiesty 7.04 |
[22:32:24] | siXy: | sorry? you just did "sudo s/lsit/list/" ?? |
[22:32:39] | bagpuss_thecat: | the lsit bit was an error of my own, and s/lsit/list/ is a geek way of saying 'correct the above instance of lsit to list' |
[22:32:58] | bagpuss_thecat: | but I guess in amongst lspci and lsmod, it could be construed as a command :-p |
[22:33:00] | docjay: | sixy – yep, sudo:s/lsit/list/: command not found |
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[22:33:50] | ** siXy wanders of to get a coffee << BTW THAT IS NOT A COMMAND – DO NOT ATTEMPT TO TYPE INTO YOUR MACHINE ** | |
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[22:35:28] | siXy: | riight... where were we |
[22:35:42] | docjay: | :) |
[22:35:46] | siXy: | ok type the following into your console |
[22:35:53] | siXy: | sudo su root |
[22:36:04] | docjay: | done |
[22:36:07] | siXy: | lspci -v |
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[22:37:17] | ** bagpuss_thecat sniggers quietly ** | |
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[22:37:25] | bagpuss_thecat: | ok, don't paste it all in |
[22:37:41] | bagpuss_thecat: | try this command instead... 'lspci | grep -i audio' |
[22:37:45] | docjay: | I knew better than that... so sorry |
[22:38:27] | Kazan: | WTF! |
[22:38:40] | docjay: | sorry kazan |
[22:38:44] | Kazan: | arg somethng changed in configuration for backend on trunk and nobody mentioned it in the change log! |
[22:38:44] | docjay: | root@MYTHBOX:~# lspci | grep -i audio |
[22:38:44] | docjay: | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
[22:38:44] | siXy: | sorry i should have realised someone whe tried to execute a spelling mistake would also attept to paste 50 lines into a channel ;) |
[22:38:52] | Kazan: | arg arg arg arg DIE! |
[22:39:16] | docjay: | so I guess that means my audio is okay huh? |
[22:39:29] | bagpuss_thecat: | docjay: it means that it's plugged in :-) |
[22:39:36] | docjay: | oh really! |
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[22:39:58] | siXy: | docjay: you need "lsmod -v" pasted to rafb.net |
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[22:41:05] | ** bagpuss_thecat has an ICH6 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW chipset in his laptop, which is driven by the snd_intel8x0 module and friends ** | |
[22:41:11] | Kazan: | SON OF A WHORE! the upgrade LOST MY INFO! |
[22:41:15] | Kazan: | lost all my settings! |
[22:41:25] | bagpuss_thecat: | to be honest, I think alsaconf did most of the hard work |
[22:41:35] | siXy: | Kazan: sounds like you need the proprietary stab-over-ip protocol |
[22:41:36] | bagpuss_thecat: | right, I'm off to bed before Kazan explodes |
[22:41:42] | bagpuss_thecat: | docjay: good luck :-) |
[22:41:57] | docjay: | okay, thanks bagpuss |
[22:42:01] | Kazan: | stab the devs! |
[22:42:03] | dr_lulz: | Kazan: no backup? |
[22:42:13] | Kazan: | no |
[22:42:18] | Kazan: | never had any problems before |
[22:42:19] | dr_lulz: | fail ;) |
[22:42:19] | Kazan: | ever |
[22:42:35] | Kazan: | a simple svn up, make, make install shouldn't blank your capture card setup! |
[22:42:52] | siXy: | Kazan: a reboot shouldnt corrupt bios either |
[22:43:01] | Kazan: | i've never seen it happen |
[22:43:01] | siXy: | doesnt mean that it doesnt happen |
[22:43:10] | siXy: | neither had i until lately |
[22:43:13] | Kazan: | um.. the devices are IN THE TABLE |
[22:43:18] | Kazan: | setup just doesn't see em |
[22:44:35] | Kazan: | wtf |
[22:44:45] | Kazan: | "no setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP." |
[22:45:19] | ** mkrufky goes home ** | |
[22:45:19] | docjay: | sixy – I pasted lspci-v at rafb.net & when I do lsmod – v it comes back with Usage: lsmod |
[22:45:21] | mkrufky: | goodnight all |
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[22:46:36] | siXy: | lsmod -v not lsmod-v |
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[22:47:12] | siXy: | but if you have $randomcrappydistro that doesnt have std gnu packages, try lsmod without the -v |
[22:47:15] | docjay: | lsmod -v Usage: lsmod |
[22:47:33] | docjay: | that worked |
[22:47:47] | siXy: | meh. one more reason to dislike ubuntu |
[22:47:52] | dr_lulz: | siXy: what additional info do you want lsmod to output? |
[22:48:38] | docjay: | k, its done |
[22:48:54] | docjay: | http://rafb.net/p/SNgXR052.html |
[22:49:00] | siXy: | dr_lulz: now that you mention it... im thinking of lspci that has -v ;) |
[22:49:23] | dr_lulz: | hehe :> |
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[22:49:53] | Kazan: | wee i changed my hostname is what happened |
[22:49:57] | siXy: | docjay: run alsamixer |
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[22:50:30] | docjay: | k |
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[22:50:50] | siXy: | Kazan: use a proper name for your htpc in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt rather than hostname-based |
[22:51:09] | siXy: | now see whats muted and what isnt |
[22:51:22] | siXy: | then unmute everything, then try playing some audio file |
[22:51:35] | Kazan: | question is which user is it in |
[22:51:37] | Kazan: | backend runs as root |
[22:51:48] | siXy: | whichever use the FE runs as |
[22:52:01] | siXy: | oh unless you mean you changed the hostname of your backend |
[22:52:03] | docjay: | k, I have master & PCM , one is @ 69<>69 & the other is 70<>70 |
[22:52:15] | siXy: | which clearly you didnt do that woul be silly :P |
[22:52:29] | siXy: | docjay: are they muted? |
[22:52:50] | siXy: | infact alsamixer-gui might be easier to use if ubuntu has it |
[22:52:58] | Kazan: | which setting do i need to change in that file sixy |
[22:53:12] | docjay: | well, they don't seem to be, I don't see where they are muted at all |
[22:53:39] | siXy: | its right near the top – commented out by default – just looking up the exact name of it |
[22:54:17] | docjay: | |
[22:54:17] | docjay: | |
[22:54:17] | docjay: | |
[22:54:17] | docjay: | |
[22:54:31] | siXy: | docjay: try alsamixer-gui |
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[22:54:36] | siXy: | its easier |
[22:54:42] | Kazan: | grr |
[22:54:53] | Kazan: | LocalHostName=? |
[22:54:54] | siXy: | Kazan: setting is called custom frontend identifier |
[22:54:55] | Kazan: | tried changing it |
[22:54:57] | Kazan: | no effect |
[22:55:12] | siXy: | change it to whatever the old hostname was |
[22:55:18] | Kazan: | i did |
[22:55:22] | docjay: | alsamixer-gui command not found |
[22:55:27] | Kazan: | all i did was change hostname from thorin to thorin.kazan.gotdns.org |
[22:55:38] | Kazan: | some arguments to hostname returned nada before though |
[22:55:42] | siXy: | you can also do this in mythtv-setup |
[22:55:45] | Kazan: | i have a bunch of rows in the DB that "hostname" is null |
[22:55:50] | Kazan: | mythtv-setup doesn't remember my tuner cards |
[22:55:57] | Kazan: | they're in the DB.. it just forgot about them |
[22:56:02] | GreyFoxx: | Kazan: not all have a hostname |
[22:56:08] | GreyFoxx: | null are "global" and apply to all |
[22:56:15] | siXy: | Kazan: wait is this a combined FE/BE system? |
[22:56:18] | Kazan: | yes |
[22:56:23] | siXy: | ohh |
[22:56:58] | Kazan: | it connects to the database at localhost... ids the db schema as version 1200 |
[22:57:02] | Kazan: | then cannot find backend server ip |
[22:57:10] | majost: | This error appears when scanning with multirec — seems to be only on certain birds, possibly even certain transponders. http://pastebin.ca/740471 |
[22:57:12] | Kazan: | is there a way to get it to tell me what host name backend thinks it's looking for |
[22:57:38] | siXy: | Kazan: ifs a combined FE/BE it should be talking to 127.0.0.1 not a hostname |
[22:58:22] | siXy: | docjay: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Alsamixer |
[22:58:32] | Kazan: | it's directed at localhost |
[22:58:40] | siXy: | yeah ok same thing |
[22:58:46] | Kazan: | exactly |
[22:58:53] | Kazan: | backendserverip is 192.168.0.5 it's network ip |
[22:59:02] | Kazan: | and in the database it calls itself thorin, it's hostname |
[22:59:14] | siXy: | Kazan: what happens if you start with -v all ? |
[22:59:26] | Kazan: | it runs |
[22:59:32] | Kazan: | if i don't use service start.. it works |
[23:00:05] | siXy: | then you have a screwy /etc/init.d/mythbackend script |
[23:00:28] | siXy: | can you paste it? |
[23:00:35] | Kazan: | theoretically |
[23:01:11] | Kazan: | i think it's the one provided |
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[23:02:02] | siXy: | well yeah but if mythbackend works but service mythbackend start doesnt that to me suggests a good place to start looking :P |
[23:02:07] | Kazan: | ok.. it appesr this is the command it's running |
[23:02:30] | Kazan: | daemon --user root /usr/local/bin/mythbackend -d -l /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
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[23:03:06] | Kazan: | so /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt should be the correct file right? |
[23:03:07] | siXy: | Kazan: if you instead do "daemon --user root /usr/local/bin/mythbackend -d -v all" what do you get? |
[23:03:14] | siXy: | yeah |
[23:03:37] | Kazan: | i ran it from the console with just mythbackend -v all and it started up, found it's info, and ran fine |
[23:04:28] | Kazan: | i just ran it by hand – "mythbackend -d /l /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log" and it started up fine |
[23:04:29] | siXy: | Kazan: yeah but this tim you are starting with -d |
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[23:04:33] | Kazan: | it's something related to that daemon |
[23:04:45] | siXy: | daemon just means run in background |
[23:04:53] | siXy: | like putting a & at the end |
[23:04:53] | Kazan: | it's something to do with the init script |
[23:05:03] | Kazan: | ie "daemon --user ..." |
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[23:05:16] | siXy: | ok, so do bash -x script |
[23:05:38] | Kazan: | ? |
[23:05:41] | Kazan: | what does that do |
[23:05:49] | siXy: | bash -x /etc/init.d/mythbackend |
[23:05:54] | siXy: | bash -x is debugging mode |
[23:05:55] | Kazan: | ok |
[23:06:01] | Kazan: | got a bunch of lines starting in + |
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[23:06:13] | siXy: | yeah – you should be able to see where (if) it does wrong |
[23:06:29] | Kazan: | like what.... |
[23:06:30] | docjay: | okay – to get sound from my PC.. and I know this must be simple, line out from PC to TV line in....right? nothing to special there? |
[23:06:42] | Kazan: | sometimes is the machine kinda.. munged.. if you change hostname without a restart? |
[23:07:11] | siXy: | might be worth temporarily adding -v all to the init script |
[23:07:19] | Kazan: | way too much output from that |
[23:07:33] | Kazan: | lemme see if a sys restart cleans things up |
[23:07:35] | siXy: | yeah but might help to understand why its not working |
[23:07:40] | siXy: | ok |
[23:09:13] | bsdfox__: | docjay: should work |
[23:09:25] | docjay: | thats what I was thinkin |
[23:09:52] | siXy: | docjay: its probably time to try again in #ubuntu |
[23:10:11] | docjay: | k, thanks |
[23:10:11] | Kazan: | DOH |
[23:10:18] | siXy: | Kazan: ? |
[23:10:23] | Kazan: | ext3 decided it's time to check my 500gb lvm |
[23:10:29] | siXy: | heh ;) |
[23:11:02] | siXy: | one of our servers did an auto-fsck night before last and killed itself |
[23:11:36] | Kazan: | brb while i wait for this |
[23:12:05] | docjay: | anyone here running a HDHR? |
[23:12:51] | docjay: | HD Homerun |
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[23:26:52] | Kazan: | sixy: reboot = fixored |
[23:27:10] | siXy: | Kazan: ah well thats good :) |
[23:27:43] | siXy: | right i'm off home then. bye! |
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