Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, October 16th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Der_Thomas:

pretty sure that there is only one encoder on th 150 too

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Toxicity999:

ah

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Toxicity999:

alright.

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Toxicity999:

oh well, cheap as hell card currently. Works fine for my crappy nondigital cable.

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FreshPrince:

rooaus, yes i have used linux befor.. i'm using linux since 2 years

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BULLE:

Toxicity999: its about the best you can get, in terms of linux support, stability etc

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Toxicity999:

yep.

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Toxicity999:

I have a sick build currently though

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Toxicity999:

dual X sessions running svideo to my nearby TV

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Toxicity999:

no dedicated box around atm

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rooaus:

FreshPrince: Cool, I was just asking because mythtv is the sort of app that brings people to linux. So they are learning linux *and* mythtv at the same time. :)

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Toxicity999:

and fully working LIRC with a windows MCE remote.

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jedix:

arg

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jedix:

for some reason, myhttv stops listening to 6543 and I have to reboot the box to get it to work again

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jedix:

nothing in the logs :(

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FreshPrince:

rooaus, hm ok

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FreshPrince:

rooaus, i'll givee it a try tomorrow with mythtv :)

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rooaus:

FreshPrince: What distro are you using?

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FreshPrince:

archlinux

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FreshPrince:

and you?

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rooaus:

about to reinstall and haven't decided yet ;)

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xris:

rooaus: what distro do you like best?

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FreshPrince:

rooaus, which distro?

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rooaus:

FreshPrince: Your first step is to get your capture card working, correct modules loaded etc, devices permissions right and able to use tvtime or similar.

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rooaus:

xris: Whatever does the job and doesn't try to outsmart the user, don't mind a bit of manual tweaking but shouldn't have to fight the distro :)

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FreshPrince:

rooaus, well i use atm tvtime to watch tv.. the modules for tv are loaded :) bttv and bt878

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rooaus:

FreshPrince: Really haven't decided, got a debian netinstall cd burnt, just burnt ubuntu rc cd and was still thinking about mandriva after what gbee said.

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rooaus:

xris: You have a recommendation?

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FreshPrince:

oh ok :)

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rooaus:

docjay: http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk :)

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FreshPrince:

rooaus, i guess you are from the usa?

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FreshPrince:

eh uk

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FreshPrince:

^^

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rooaus:

FreshPrince: australia

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directhex:

okay, 97 recordings fully recovered

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directhex:

111 recordings partially recovered

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FreshPrince:

robbins61, wow.. my aunt lives in new zealand :)

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directhex:

dealing with the partials is a job for another day

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jedix:

where can I get logging information about opening ports

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xris:

rooaus: recommendation is "whatever you're most comfortable with"

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rooaus:

directhex: Did you lose a hard drive? :(

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directhex:

rooaus, poor choice of FS

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rooaus:

xris: fair enough :)

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rooaus:

directhex: Out of interest what was the failed file system?

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directhex:

rooaus, JFS

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rooaus:

thanks

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rooaus:

FreshPrince: Do you have mysqld setup yet?

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kslater:

so does anyone know if HD recordings made with a DVB card (as MPEG2) can be transcoded by Myth into MPEG4?

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FreshPrince:

rooaus, no i have mythtv & mysql just installed.. but i'm seting it up tomorrow

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xris:

kslater: should be just fine

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xris:

but it'll be mpeg4 inside of nupplevideo, so not very portable. nuvexport works fine,though

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kslater:

xris, that's the way that SD stuff is for a PVR-250 though, right?

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kslater:

I mean it's the same, just less resolution and smaller files

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rooaus:

FreshPrince: np

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rooaus:

FreshPrince: What do you think of archlinux? Was thinking about toying with it on another box.

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docjay:

how can I add the listen to music option to my mythbox under media library?

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degreseven:

docjay, there are different menu layouts that you can choose in settings under display

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docjay:

is there a common set of plugins I can get all at once?

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degreseven:

how are you installing them?

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degreseven:

from source, or using some package manager?

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Kazan:

need more good tv shows to record

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docjay:

well :) I haven't install any yet.. not sure how to

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degreseven:

docjay what distro are you using?

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rooaus:

Kazan: Or watch them on x0.5 ;)

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docjay:

ubuntu fiesty

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docjay:

7.04

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degreseven:

so you installed mythtv with synaptic?

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docjay:

I used the the mythubuntu iso... I'm not quite sure what synaptic is – sorry man

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docjay:

<--- newb

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degreseven:

ah ok

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degreseven:

synaptic is a nice graphical package manager for ubuntu

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degreseven:

you should be able to find it under the system > administration menu

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docjay:

nice, how can I get that? should I be running that?

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degreseven:

it is installed by default

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docjay:

well, I installed the comamnd line version, so I can't do that right?

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degreseven:

command line version of what?

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docjay:

ubuntu

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degreseven:

you're not running X at all?

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docjay:

x-windows? I'm sure its running on ubuntu right? hahah, man I'm such a tard!

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degreseven:

ok, you can also use apt-get, which is a command line interface to the package manager

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degreseven:

you should be able to do "sudo apt-get install mythvideo mythmusic mythweb etc, etc.."

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degreseven:

just list them all there

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docjay:

okay, and I've been doing that a lot, should I just reinstall with the gui interface and not use the command line?

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docjay:

kewl, lemme try

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rooaus:

docjay: you can use "apt-cache search" to search for packages

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docjay:

okay, thanks rooaus

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degreseven:

does mythbuntu run myth in a fb or something?

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docjay:

fb?

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degreseven:

framebuffer

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degreseven:

like from the console

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Daviey:

no

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docjay:

if I exit out of mythtv, it takes me to the desktop, not much going on there though

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rooaus:

^^^ what he said

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degreseven:

ah ok

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docjay:

I can only right click on get a terminal window...

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degreseven:

you confused me

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docjay:

I confused you? hehhe, I'm thoughly confused myself

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degreseven:

if you type "synaptic" in the terminal window you will get the gui package manager

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docjay:

it comes back with gtk-warning **: cannot open display

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rooaus:

degreseven: I think he did a minimal command line install, then pulled in the packages needed for myth (including Xorg).

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docjay:

though SSH that is

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degreseven:

rooaus, i thought he said he used mythbuntu, which i assume comes with everything needed for myth

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docjay:

thanks your help degreseven/rooaus

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degreseven:

anyways, you should be able to install plugins with apt-get just fine

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docjay:

can I get them all at once, or just one at a time?

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docjay:

with the apt-get method.. just one at a time?

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degreseven:

well, one at a time, but with apt-get you can just list them all on the same line & it will do them all for you

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docjay:

I like the apt-cache search.. lots of stuff there

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degreseven:

"sudo apt-get install mythvideo mythmusic" will install both of them for you

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docjay:

oh, kewl... I like it

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rooaus:

docjay: Is it going to be a dedicated mythtv box?

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degreseven:

you can list as many packages as you want there

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docjay:

I'm learnin

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docjay:

rooaus – yep yep

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docjay:

how much RAM do you guys have in yours?

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docjay:

I've only got 1GB and it has 13% free

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mzb_d800:

256MB ;)

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directhex:

111 recordings fully restored, 93 recordings remaining to rebuild database entries for

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rooaus:

docjay: I got 1G as well, seems enough.

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directhex:

and so to bed

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docjay:

okay, mine seems a bit laggy sometimes.. like after I change a channel, to wait for the channel name to disappear, the video freezes for a sec

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docjay:

using a HDHR

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docjay:

two switches involved

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degreseven:

so i just upgraded myth from 0.20.2 to svn rev14666, and playback of both livetv and previous recordings is like jittery as hell, bad picture, and there's one of those ugly purple bands across the bottom of the screen

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rooaus:

docjay: Yeah, the switch between channels bothers some, personally I don't mind it. There is far more going on with mythtv than a dumb STB or TV.

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degreseven:

card is a pvr-150 if that matters... has anyone heard of that problem?

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docjay:

hey- on mythweather — how do I save my settings? it says INFO:Save & Escape: Cancel... what is the info button?

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degreseven:

docjay, linux will usually fill up most of your ram even if it's with stuff that's not currently being used. Probably most of your ram is free for use by applications if they need it. you can check how much is actually being used with "free -m" the -/+ buffers/cache line shows how much space is currently being used

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rooaus:

degreseven: Not sure about that, nothing springs to mind at the moment.

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degreseven:

rooaus, i'm upgrading my kernel & ivtv atm, but i sort of doubt that will help since the problem is also with old recordings. Would you recommend dropping back to an older version, or what?

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mzb_d800:

docjay: re lag, have you enabled realtimepriority (correctly) ?

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docjay:

mzb_d800 – where is that setting? more than likely no

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mzb_d800:

err ... there's something like "use realtime priority" somewhere

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mzb_d800:

but

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docjay:

k, I'll look for it

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mzb_d800:

afaik, you also need to allow for it /etc/security/limits

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degreseven:

i think it's under "playback"

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degreseven:

in TV settings

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mzb_d800:

quick google should show you how

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rooaus:

degreseven: Did you backup your database? If you upgraded to trunk it will upgrade the db.

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degreseven:

rooaus, yeah i did

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degreseven:

even if i didn't, i run a cron job for weekly backups

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degreseven:

which i think should be required for all myth installs =)

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directhex:

oh, for crying out loud... why is mythweb telling me bogus scheduling info? well i *hope* it's bogus

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rooaus:

docjay: There is some info in the howto about it. (realtime priorities that is)

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rooaus:

degreseven: There are plans to include a db backup in the housekeeping thread AFAIK.

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degreseven:

rooaus, awesome =)

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docjay:

mzb_d800 – I have enable realtime priority threads checked... what all do you have on your playback page?

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rooaus:

docjay: Check your frontend log, it should tell you if it is using realtime priority, that setting allows it to if the system is properly configured.

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Der_Thomas:

Hi, I'm batteling a problem with blurry video and I'm looking for some help

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Der_Thomas:

not sure if some of the same ppl are here tonight as last night

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Der_Thomas:

I was not sure if it was the TV card (PVR-150) or my output (via unichrome)

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docjay:

rooaus, what folder is the log in?

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Der_Thomas:

I have a BE and a seperate FE. My FE was running at 50% CPU on mythfronend, but now I've got XvMC working and it is down to <20%

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Der_Thomas:

Since I have the same issue with the nvidia on the BE I think that it is a problem with the PVR-150

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rooaus:

docjay: Depends on your distro, I am not sure. Found what I was looking for though, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.4 might help you.

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Der_Thomas:

The blur is usually with motion, my best example is the "crawl" text at the bottom of sports that usually shows other games' scores

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docjay:

thanks rooaus

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Der_Thomas:

or the fast pan of a sporting event

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Der_Thomas:

anyone have any ideas about how to fix this problem?

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directhex:

is there a way to see which scheduling decisions have been made?

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docjay:

is there an apt-get for the myth apple trailer plug-in?

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Der_Thomas:

directhex: yeah I think that it is under Media Library->schedule rec-> view upcoming or something like that

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rooaus:

directhex: "mythfrontend -v help" lists a "mythfrontend -v schedule"

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jedix:

do I need eit patches on 20.2?

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Der_Thomas:

eit?

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Der_Thomas:

no you don't need any patches that i know of

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directhex:

urgh, looks like it's correct

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directhex:

cardinputid 4, cardid 3, sourceid 4

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directhex:

ick

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directhex:

anyway, bed

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Der_Thomas:

night

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jedix:

oh

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jedix:

okay

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jedix:

because my box screws up on eit scans

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jedix:

either it stops listening on port 6543 or lockup

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rooaus:

jedix: I believe that a lot of the eit issues have been cleared up in svn trunk, I do not know what has been backported to 0.20-fixes though (which 0.20.2 is a snapshot/release of).

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jedix:

thanks

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jedix:

maybe I should try that then

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Der_Thomas:

any idea when 0.20.3 will come out?

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rooaus:

Der_Thomas: It is a 0.21 release you really want, that is when the devs branch trunk for release and includes all the trunk goodness. Some changes are too difficult/pervasive to backport.

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jedix:

is it wise to build/use svn?

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jedix:

(svn checkout)

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rooaus:

jedix: The 0.20-fixes branch is "stable", if your package maintainers are a bit slow you could use it. If you want to run trunnk then you need to think carefully about whether you are prepared to follow the mailing lists etc.

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rooaus:

That said, I have only ever run trunk and read nearly *every* commit message on the mythtv-commits mailing list. I want the features and to be able to help out where I can (which isn't much) in the development process.

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Kazan:

funniest...thing...ever

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Kazan:

episode of SVU... episode started recording in the middle of the narrator saying "Henious"

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Kazan:

so all you hear is "anus"

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degreseven:

hah

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Kazan:

play, exit, play, exit, play, exit

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jedix:

so it's either not knowing what's on some channels/wrong data vs freezing/failure to bind to 6543

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jedix:

harsh call

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rooaus:

jedix: You can search the mailing list at gossamer-threads, that *will* have more info, you may find a solution there.

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riddlebox:

can you just install mythtv-backend, on a server, or do you need xorg running?

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rooaus:

riddlebox: Need X for mythtv-setup, but a minimal X install is tiny compared to a single recording :)

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riddlebox:

rooaus, I really just want to create a server to try to keep the resources as low as possible

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riddlebox:

I guess I can install it, then run mythtv-setup, and then have x not start at boot

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riddlebox:

I use a remote frontend

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rooaus:

riddlebox: You can start X from the command line just to run mythtv-setup if you want, it doesn't have to run... ^^^ what you said

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riddlebox:

:)

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riddlebox:

when Gutsy comes out I want to upgrade to the server edition on that box

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rooaus:

riddlebox: I am installing the rc now :)

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rooaus:

Is there a reason you used the server install, I am have used the alternate cd and doing a "command line" install.

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riddlebox:

really, cool let me know how it is, I want to actually wait until it comes out, every other time I install the new version like a week before and just do the updates

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riddlebox:

rooaus, ohh I am just thinking of what I want to do when it comes out, I am happy with my setup so far, with just the regular install cd

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heel3k:

i want a liveCD that can boot up a laptop on a wireless lan and play media on remote computer (via samba, or something) is there something in the myth universe that will suit my needs?

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rooaus:

riddlebox: Alternate CD – Command line install: 622M for / and 23M for /boot. DO you know what the server install was immediately after installation?

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degreseven:

rooaus regarding my jittery playback problem i mentioned earlier, do you think it could be that I need to upgrade some codec package or some other dependency? or is this definitely a problem with myth & I just need to downgrade?

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mzb_d800:

riddlebox: just install (minimal) X on the server. If it's headless you can do mythtv-setup over network with "ssh -X"

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cesman:

MythTV isn't dependent on external codecs

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degreseven:

oh

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cesman:

degreseven: did you upgrade kernel as well?

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degreseven:

yes

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cesman:

to?

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degreseven:

2.6.22-gentoo-r8

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rooaus:

I am not sure mate, did something else get upgraded when you updated myth? Check you logs... what cesman said.

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mzb_d800:

I use that technique for my (headless & virtual) mythserver (slave backend) which is only for commflagging and transcoding

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jandshog:

does anyone have any thoughts on front end not able to initalize video. I'm running trunk svn on ubuntu

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mzb_d800:

degreseven: have you enabled realtime priority? (and edited /etc/security/limits to suit)

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degreseven:

no i havent, should i?

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riddlebox:

mzb_d800, thats kinda what I was thinking

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mzb_d800:

try it

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cesman:

degreseven: from my own experience w/ upgrading to 2.6.22, if the kernel is patched w/ CFS you will see a degradation in performance

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degreseven:

CFS?

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cesman:

as stoch 2.6.22 w/ CFS doesn't allow realtime

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degreseven:

oh

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cesman:

the new scheduler in the kernel (2.6.23)

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cesman:

I'd say check Gentoo to see if the patch includes it

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mzb_d800:

I'm using .22 on one of my mythboxen

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mzb_d800:

CFQ is enabled, but default is set to deadline

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cesman:

degreseven: also, on one of my systems I see a degradation w/ .22

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Der_Thomas:

anyone here use a PVR-150?

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degreseven:

what kind of degredation are we talking about? like enough that it can't play a standard def recording on a 2.2 ghz p4?

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mzb_d800:

mine is running on an overclocked p3–650 (804), so I really notice the difference ;) (MBE+FE)

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cesman:

degradation is less noticeable w/ -ck than with CFS

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degreseven:

i am using a pvr-150

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Der_Thomas:

I'm having trouble with motion blur and have narrowed it down to it. Can you take a screen shot of a sports channel with a 'crawl' at the bottom?

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Der_Thomas:

I want to make sure that this is just my conf and not just what the card does

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degreseven:

no, at the moment my playback is not working either. i just upgraded & am still working on smoothing stuff out

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Der_Thomas:

could you just do a cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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degreseven:

but i have never noticed anything weird with a "crawl" as you call it

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Der_Thomas:

oh I'm talking about how like on ESPN they shouw a crawl with different scores on it

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degreseven:

yeah

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degreseven:

looks exactly the same as watching from a standard tv

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Der_Thomas:

then play it with xine or something and take a screen shot of when the scores are running right to left

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Der_Thomas:

haha, well I guess I can't figure out how to take a screenshot myself. I keep just getting a bluescreen where the video is

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degreseven:

enabling realtime priority didn't make a difference

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riddlebox:

man I wish I could figure out how to insert data into the database and have it work, I have been trying to so many things

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jandshog:

http://pastebin.com/m18a51eb5

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jandshog:

i am have issues with frontend not being able to render video

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mzb_d800:

degreseven: are you sure it's enabled? (check frontend log)

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Der_Thomas:

ah, OK xine has a snapshot tool itself

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degreseven:

mzb_d800, yeah before there was a note in the log that said "realtime scheduling option disabled"

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degreseven:

but the note is gone now

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Der_Thomas:

degreseven: take a look at this screenshot and let me know if you see similar problems: http://www.weichmann.org/food/xine_snapshot-1.png

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degreseven:

no i don't

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degreseven:

ugh, gotta help my gf make dinner... guess i'll be back later

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Der_Thomas:

thanks for the help

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jandshog:

i am running trunk svn on ubuntu

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degreseven:

np, if i can get this working again tonight & if you're still on i'll try to take a screenshot of espn for comparison

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Der_Thomas:

cool

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Der_Thomas:

thanks

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Der_Thomas:

I might be gone, I'm on east coast US, but I'll stay logged in so I'll check your message in the morning

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opello:

Der_Thomas: does that just need deinterlaced?

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rooaus:

Der_Thomas: Deinterlacing by the look of that screenshot

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opello:

heh

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Der_Thomas:

yeah that is what I thought too, I set the control on my card to progressive, interlaced, and auto and I get the same results

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opello:

what card?

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Der_Thomas:

maybe I don't get interlaced / deinterlaced. I thought that monitors were progressive (line by line) and TVs were interlaced (every other line 2x over)

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Der_Thomas:

its a PVR-150

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opello:

huh, on my 500 i just enabled the deinterlacer in myth and everything was happy

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Der_Thomas:

yeah I tried that too

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Der_Thomas:

with the same results

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opello:

strange, you sure it was working?

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opello:

not sure what deinterlacer i chose or i'd suggest it — did you try them all?

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Der_Thomas:

pretty sure 'cuz when I tried it some options made the processer go REALLY high and get choppy

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opello:

hm

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Der_Thomas:

but I never saw any video that looked different

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Der_Thomas:

I thought that de-interlaceing was for monitors and not TVs?

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Der_Thomas:

if you don't mind a 3mb download here is a short video of my blurry output:: http://www.weichmann.org/food/output.mpg

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mzb_d800:

I have two videos in mythvideo (using gallery view) where I want the 1st video to play the 2nd video

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mzb_d800:

that's easy enough

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mzb_d800:

but I want the 2nd video to be invisible in the browser .... that seems to be the hard part

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Der_Thomas:

you have to set it to browsible = no and then filter the browser to not show non-browsible items. Then set that as default

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mzb_d800:

ah

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mzb_d800:

k, thx

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Hilikus:

why would mythtv record a show with priority 5 that has reruns 2, 5, 7 and 10 hours later over a show that has priority 0 but is only shown once a day??

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Der_Thomas:

Hillkus: you can set how these priorities work. I think that it is in rec profiles if I rmember right

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mzb_d800:

Der_Thomas: default filter is set to ALL (others are yes | no)

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venger:

i'm occasionaly getting "NVP: prebuffering pause" around every 5–10 minutes sometimes longer, CPU sits around %15 percent in livetv, any suggestions?

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Hilikus:

its not about priorities

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mzb_d800:

ah, I see

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Der_Thomas:

mzb_d800 yeah set it to yes then set as default

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venger:

this leads to a half second frame freeze and audio blip

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mzb_d800:

yep, got it, thanks

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Hilikus:

if it was priority, 5 would win over 0, but the 0 one is the only showing of the day, the 5 has several more

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rooaus:

Hilikus: run with "-v schedule" and trigger a reschedule, it should log the scheduling info.

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Der_Thomas:

venger: yeah it is short, like 5 seconds but I was trying to keep the DL small. just hit pause and look at the motion blur

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Hilikus:

rooaus run what?

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Captain_Murdoch:

Hilikus: higher priorities record first unless you have the option turned on to allow moving a higher priority to a later showing in order to record a lower priority show.

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Hilikus:

Captain_Murdoch record first even if that means losing the other show when the higher priority could be recorded later?

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Hilikus:

so ALL THAT MATTERS (by default) is priority?

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venger:

Der_Thomas, huh, i was describing my issue? =)

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Captain_Murdoch:

yes, the scheduler's main goal is to record your higher priority shows. it will only rescheduler a higher priority show to a later showing if you allow it to.

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Hilikus:

got it

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Der_Thomas:

venger: oh, sorry, I thought that you were talking about the video I posted showing my motion blur

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Captain_Murdoch:

a lot of people want their higher priority shows _now_, they don't want to have to wait. if you let it reschedule a higher priority show until later (could be days later), then you're taking the chance that the networks could rearrange their schedule and ditch the second/third/etc/ showing and then you'd have missed the higher priority show.

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Hilikus:

i see

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opello:

Der_Thomas: that seems extra bad :/ not even vlc's deinterlacing made it nice

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rooaus:

Captain_Murdoch: Or do what they do here and edit the repeats to within an inch of their life :(

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Der_Thomas:

opello, well I guess that this is something I'll have to take up with the ivtv guys / gods!

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Der_Thomas:

no one over at #ivtv-dev

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opello:

i'm using 0.10.5 here

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Der_Thomas:

0.10.1 here

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Hilikus:

oh wait a minute, Captain_Murdoch im sorry, they both have the same priority

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Hilikus:

i gave them both 0

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venger:

its 13 minutes no pause, i'm guess its just a network thing between fe and be

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Captain_Murdoch:

Hilikus: if they both have the same priority then the more specific schedule will win over. (single record over channel specific over any channel, etc.) if they are both the same type then the one with the lowest recordid wins (ie, the one you created first)

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Hilikus:

oh i think i know why, its because all the reruns are the next day (first one's at 12.05am) so i guess it sees that episode is the only showing of that episode of the day and has to get it

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Hilikus:

can someone explain to me Find and record one showing of this title.

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Hilikus:

cause theres a show that has 2 different episodes per day, and its picking both of them

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Hilikus:

but from the name it sounds ... and record ONE showing

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Hilikus:

of this TITLE, not episode

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Hilikus:

and the wiki says

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Hilikus:

Record a title once from any of the times that appear in the TV listings.

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Hilikus:

again, title, not episdoe

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docjay:

is there an apt-get for the myth apple trailer plug-in?

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rooaus:

docjay: Not that I have heard of, but I don't use packages.

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drgeb:

how do i setup to use schedulesdirect in mythtv? I just created an account and added the lineup I am interested in.

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xris:

drgeb: go into mythtv-setup and set it up?

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cesman:

anyone got a link to the plugin?

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drgeb:

xris I tried that but I don't see anywhere how to do that. I typed mythtv-setup

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xris:

drgeb: are you using .20.2 or later?

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drgeb:

sudo apt-cache show mythtv tells me: 0.20.2–0ubuntu0.7.04.1 and 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6

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xris:

so which one is it?

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xris:

one of those is considerably newer than the other

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tcpsyn:

I just moved my computer and my cable company, and now I'm not able to fetch SD lineups within mythtv setup. It hangs at 50%, and then grabs nothing.

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tcpsyn:

Has anyone seen that before?

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drgeb:

xris not sure how to check this exactly

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xris:

tcpsyn: mfdb hangs?

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xris:

drgeb: I don't know how to use dpkg... apt is for installing things. dkpg tells you about installed packages.

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tcpsyn:

I'm not sure what mfdb is.. but the progress bar while myth grabs the SD lineups stops at 50%... waits a few minutes, and then doesn't grab anything

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xris:

mfdb == shorthand for mythfilldatabase

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drgeb:

seems to me like 0.20.2–0ubuntu0.7.04.1

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xris:

oh

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xris:

drgeb: that should be fine... you should have "listings source" or something like that in mythtv-setup

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tcpsyn:

I don't think it's mfdb, I'm not trying to grab the guide data.. just the SD listing sources.

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tcpsyn:

video source

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tcpsyn:

tv_find_grabbers exited early or we timed out waiting

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tcpsyn:

BUG: StackedConfigurationGroup::raise(): unrecognized child 0 on setting --00:29:34-- http://webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadir . . . /xtvdService

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xris:

tcpsyn: TMS might be having trouble

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tcpsyn:

damn them

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xris:

tcpsyn: I've also heard of some ISPs blocking the TMS soap calls

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tcpsyn:

I've killed for less.

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tcpsyn:

Why would they do that?

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xris:

not a clue

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xris:

I don't think it's intentional

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xris:

routing issues

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tcpsyn:

Oh yeah, I can't ping tmsdatadirect.com

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xris:

ping doesn't really mean anything

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xris:

lots of people block ping

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tcpsyn:

Resolving webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com...

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tcpsyn:

thats where it hangs

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tcpsyn:

although, tmsdatadirect.com did resolve.

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xris:

that should resolve to 206.18.98.175

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xris:

try resolving it with a cli utility like "host"

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tcpsyn:

tmsdatadirect.com A 206.18.98.141

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tcpsyn:

oh.. you know what

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tcpsyn:

nevermind.

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tcpsyn:

that whole box has the wrong dns servers.

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tcpsyn:

I just moved it, I'm retarded.

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drgeb:

when I enter mythtv-setup under option 3. Video Sources for my source I have set Listings grabber to "North America (SchedulesDirect.org)(Internal) and placed my username and password in the box right underneath this

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tcpsyn:

yeah, I'm just a moron

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tcpsyn:

is all

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drgeb:

xris still the program listings come up empty in front-end

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xris:

drgeb: you need to attach that to the appropriate tuner card, and then follow the instructions to run mythfilldatabase

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xris:

drgeb: you also need to make sure to pick which SD lineup you want to use (you can have up to 4, and need to set that up at schedulesdirect.org)

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xris:

af for awhile

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xris:

afk, even

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tcpsyn:

Man, its my first night in the new hosue

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tcpsyn:

house

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tcpsyn:

and.. I aint got no food here.

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drgeb:

wow xris Thanks!!! It worked!!!

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drgeb:

So cool

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xris:

drgeb: :) I've been doing this for awhile (and wrote at least one of the tools you used today)

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bsdfox_:

I've had a lot of programs show up wrong recently.. how do you guys deal with updating the program listings maybe 2 hours before scheduled recordings?

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xris:

bsdfox_: TMS holds all of the data at the moment.

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xris:

they have systems to de-prioritize people who grab more than once per day.

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xris:

beyond that, I don't know.

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bsdfox_:

I'm using schedules direct

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bsdfox_:

is there a flag for mythfilldatabase to check for updates? I have dialup so I'd rather not redownload the entire schedule every day :(

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xris:

nope. just one day at at time

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xris:

"at a time"

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bsdfox_:

damn

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** xris curses mythtv for crashing in the last 3 minutes of Heroes **

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bsdfox_:

backend crashed? :(

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xris:

firewire bugs

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degreseven:

i'm pretty sure my backend recorded heros OK, but something is screwed up with my playback, so i can't watch it ="(

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degreseven:

hah

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degreseven:

I wonder which is worse =P

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bsdfox_:

:P I

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bsdfox_:

I've never even seen heroes :

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degreseven:

you should look into it, it's good

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bsdfox_:

unfortunately, for whatever reason, I don't get NBC on my cable

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bsdfox_:

went out a year ago and never came back :P

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mikeones:

any gudeline for using crontab to run mythfill when on the paid service?

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cesman:

why the need for crontab?

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cesman:

is you have it run at the next suggested time, it does the right thing

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cesman:

s/is/if/

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mikeones:

I though that was the norm.

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cesman:

damn feeling the affect of the pitcher already...

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robbins61:

on my touchpad, if i drag left or right in a web window it makes the page go back or forward in history. how do i disable that? anyone know?

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rooaus:

robbins61: Wrong channel... but, disable the horizontal scrolling.

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[R]:

so i can't use myth for tv... but that doesnt mean i still can't rock hard with myth... gonna set up mythmusic, attempt to hack mythvideo, if that doesnt work i'm gonna have myth spawn my own video browsing program, and set up mythgame

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[R]:

how is joystick support in myth?

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cesman:

works

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cesman:

there is a post on the wiki about it...

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cesman:

you shouldn't equate joystick support in MythTV/Games w/ joystick support for whatever emulator you want to use

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[R]:

i'm thinking about navigating in myth with it

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[R]:

thats all

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cesman:

MythGame is just a frontend for various emulators and "PC" games

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[R]:

i know

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cesman:

ok

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cheshair:

hi guys!! i set "Main > Utilities/Setup > Setup > TV Settings > Playback > General Playback (part2) > Action on playback exit: "Save position and exit"

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cheshair:

it works when i play my local stored recordings, but it doesn't when playing a dvd

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cheshair:

i mean: when i play a dvd, then stop and play back it again, mythtv doesn't resume from the position i quit

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cheshair:

it neither works if i press the "i" button before quitting

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cheshair:

any hints?

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cheshair:

it seems to me that i'm using mythtv player both for "my videos" and dvd playing

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delmar:

hrm. So MythTV still doesn't support recording/watching multiple channels on the same transponder/multiplex eh? Anyone know if there are any plans for this ?

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[R]:

delmar: the code is in svn

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rooaus:

delmar: Well and truly under way, see here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/mythtv-multirec

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Ned_:

is there any sort of commandline remote for mythtv ?

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[R]:

there is the telnet interface

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Ned_:

Hmmm, that sounds promising ...

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Ned_:

does that just listen on some port by default ?

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** Ned_ does netstat -ntlp **

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Ned_:

:p

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Ned_:

Hmmm, which port is it ?

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rooaus:

Ned_: Defined in the setup.

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Ned_:

right ...

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Ned_:

err, setup in the gui ?

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Ned_:

or in a file somewhere ?

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rooaus:

I think the setting is "network control port", I think in mythtv-setup from memory.

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Ned_:

rooaus: is it okay to run the setup while th ebackend is running ...

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Ned_:

?

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rooaus:

Are you using ubuntu?

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Ned_:

debian

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just_joe:

/msg NickServ IDENTIFY just_joe

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just_joe:

woops

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just_joe:

sweet

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just_joe:

guess i better fix that now...

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rooaus:

It is ok to run the binary, just don't do anything with your card setup. Some distros alias mythtv-setup to a wrapper that kills the real setup so be careful if you have recordings underway.

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rooaus:

just_joe: Assuming someone hasn't beaten you to it :)

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just_joe:

now that i have established my intelligence level, has anybody seen the situation where some channels are abnormally dark?

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just_joe:

rooaus i think imade it in time

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rooaus:

just_joe: cool, some guy typed his internet banking details in here once, was using a wireless keyboard on two pcs (upstairs and downstairs) and it's range was a bit further than he expected. That was funny :)

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just_joe:

DOH!

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just_joe:

i dont see this on every channel just some channels.

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rooaus:

I only use dvb-t and don't have those probs, but can't you use the xv video controls to correct per channel?

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just_joe:

per channel?

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just_joe:

well the live tv and the recordings are dark

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just_joe:

how do you pull up the xv controls?

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degreseven:

if i want to switch from my distro's package managed myth install to a manual svn install, do i need to completely remove it with the package manager & do a complete reinstall?

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rooaus:

press M (or your menu binding) while watching livetv, there should be a menu entry for the controls (contrast etc) if it was compiled into the binaries.

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just_joe:

ok

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rooaus:

degreseven: you can keep the db, myth will upgrade it if needed. Just keep a backup in case you want to go back to binary packages.

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degreseven:

ok

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cesman:

is anyone using projectM?

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degreseven:

the db will not be removed when i uninstall myth from the package manager?

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just_joe:

ok i just do that for each channel?

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cesman:

degreseven: it shouldn't but you should back it up first

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degreseven:

right

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degreseven:

thanks

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rooaus:

degreseven: Make sure you completely remove the libs etc otherwise weird $hit will happen. If you are worried about the db then dump it beofrehand.

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rooaus:

cesman: yeah, I have used projectM

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cesman:

worked w/ o a hitch?

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cesman:

regular visualizations work as does libvisual-plugins, however I get a floating point exception with projectM starts :/

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rooaus:

cesman: My current install (gentoo) it seemed to work well, no real issue. And I have it install on my Feisty laptop but don't use it much.

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** cesman will probably have to compile w/ debug enabled... **

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cesman:

thank rooaus

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rooaus:

cesman: When it was first added I think some people reported probs, but don't see much on the mailing list now.

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cesman:

well, bed time

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cesman:

later folks

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rooaus:

cheers

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rooaus:

cesman: If you are still around, it is "libvisual-0.4-plugins" on the laptop not projectM, sorry. Shows how much I use mythmusic on the laptop. :(

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Ned_:

rooaus: ?

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Ned_:

rooaus: I ran myth-setup, can't see anythign about telnet in there :(

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mzb_d800:

it's in the frontend

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Ned_:

mzb_d800: oh, how do you configure it ?

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mzb_d800:

enable it ;)

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mzb_d800:

in frontend setup

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mzb_d800:

port 6546 by default

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Ned_:

yeah, I see it :)

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Ned_:

"Enable Network Remote Control Interface" ?

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rooaus:

Ned_: I can never remember, but the frontend makes more sense as it controls the frontend. Sorry.

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mzb_d800:

that's it

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Ned_:

awesome, thanks though rooaus , knowing it existed was half the battle :p

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Ned_:

crap, must need to restart the frontend

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mzb_d800:

handy for nice little scripts ;) (eg. speed down by 5%;)

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mzb_d800:

try "key m up up up right down space left" while playing back

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mzb_d800:

(perhaps there's a better way, but that's what I've got atm)

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Ned_:

mzb_d800: heh, I was using xte for that :)

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Ned_:

(xautomation)

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Ned_:

i.e. send raw keypresses to X

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mzb_d800:

ah, k

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Ned_:

but this is better ...

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Ned_:

if you use mplayer

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Ned_:

can can have a control pipe I think

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Ned_:

and actually have a telnet-like session against mplayer itself

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Ned_:

(I _think_)

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Ned_:

I've done it once before

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Ned_:

might need a little perl prog or something to glue it together :p

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doc__:

hi there

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juski:

cesman: that apple trailer thing is no plugin. it's a botchy scripty thing. NOT a plugin! :)

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juski:

done in php iirc

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juski:

writes xml files when it updates, to make menus with the trailer links inside. messy but it works

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juski:

anyway, that's my quota for today

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CaptObviousman:

I've got this MSI Mega 180, paired with an Athlon 2700 & 1gb memory

[14:06:37]

CaptObviousman:

is that going to be enough horse for timeshifting and/or movie playback?

[14:07:08]

fryfrog:

HD or SD content?

[14:07:32]

CaptObviousman:

HD timeshifting, and SD DVDs

[14:08:12]

fryfrog:

for recording, it should be fine, and playback of sd / dvd should also be fine

[14:08:26]

fryfrog:

i think HD playback is going to be iffy, but just barely

[14:08:33]

CaptObviousman:

not playing DVD off the disc. Reading from a network drive

[14:08:47]

fryfrog:

i do hd playback on a 3200+ and i don't think it uses 100%, maybe like 60–70%

[14:08:57]

CaptObviousman:

hmm

[14:09:00]

CaptObviousman:

it's as I thought

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fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: it is the *displaying* of the video that is hard for a cpu, not reading from disk/network/hd

[14:09:15]

CaptObviousman:

I have these parts and they're about to not be used anymore

[14:09:20]

CaptObviousman:

figured I would save some money if I could

[14:09:29]

fryfrog:

I'd give it a try, 2700 cpu isn't a for sure plays or for sure doesn't.

[14:09:34]

CaptObviousman:

right

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CaptObviousman:

as far as capture cards go

[14:09:50]

CaptObviousman:

are they making them PCI-Express these days, or still regular PCI?

[14:09:52]

fryfrog:

i know my 1600+ wouldn't do HD, but it did SD fine

[14:10:13]

fryfrog:

i've not seen a pci-e hd capture card, but i'm sure they exist. dunno if they have linux support though.

[14:10:25]

fryfrog:

what type of HD are you hoping to capture? cable, sat or ota?

[14:10:28]

CaptObviousman:

well, will XvMC help make it squeak by?

[14:10:36]

CaptObviousman:

OTA

[14:10:53]

fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: very likely XvMC could get you over the hump, if it won't play back with cpu only.

[14:11:12]

fryfrog:

OTA you could go with a few cards, i use air2pc cards, gen 2 or 3 i think

[14:11:18]

CaptObviousman:

the card is an NVidia 6600GT

[14:11:22]

fryfrog:

but for ota, gen1 would work (and are only like $50)

[14:11:37]

CaptObviousman:

there are different generations?

[14:11:46]

CaptObviousman:

I'm sure this is in a wiki or something somewhere

[14:11:48]

fryfrog:

6600GT is nice, a 6100 or 6200 would be fine too

[14:12:09]

fryfrog:

the only diff between the gen1 and gen2/3 (i forget which) is QAM support to get signal from cable network

[14:12:34]

fryfrog:

i bet the mythtv wiki has better details

[14:12:44]

fryfrog:

there is an hd5000 or hd5500 made by another company that is popular

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fryfrog:

i think because it also has an SD bttv based capture card built in (i wouldn't use it though)

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CaptObviousman:

hmm

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CaptObviousman:

there's 21 cards listed in HDTV capture cards section of Wiki

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CaptObviousman:

this might take a while

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CaptObviousman:

now, next question

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CaptObviousman:

what can I do to make my system behave as appliance-like as possible

[14:16:24]

CaptObviousman:

e.g. quick boot-up, straight into mythtv interface

[14:20:22]

Kazan:

mine doesn't quick boot

[14:20:26]

Kazan:

but it goes straight into mythtv

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Kazan:

i just have my start frontend script invoked via the KDE-equivalent of window's "start up"

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CaptObviousman:

does mplayer use qt or gtk libraries, or neither?

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Dagmar:

CaptObviousman: You can take out KDE for one thing

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CaptObviousman:

yeah, I'm aiming for Xfce

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Dagmar:

CaptObviousman: ldd /path/to/mplayer

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Dagmar:

If you dont' run myhthbrowser you don't need a window manager at all

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CaptObviousman:

heh I don't have mplayer installed

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Dagmar:

...provided you're using the internal player and not mplayer

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CaptObviousman:

I've heard on this channel that mythplayer < mplayer

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BULLE:

CaptObviousman: it uses what you tell it to use

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Dagmar:

The internal player works for everything but some people's weird-o dvd subtitling

[14:25:11]

CaptObviousman:

I'm thinking Xfce with trim kernel and some monkeying with init scripts will make it zippy fast to boot

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: it used to be true that without a window manager keyboard focus sometimes got lost?

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quicksilver:

CaptObviousman: the big win is in init scripts and kernel module loading

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Matt:

morning

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quicksilver:

CaptObviousman: I haven't tried to tune it mysefl yet

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CaptObviousman:

on my slackbox, kernel takes around 2.5seconds, then usb detection another 2–3

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CaptObviousman:

I think because I"ve got a zillion usb hubs and a few devices

[14:29:57]

Matt:

someone wanna tell me what I'm missing whilst trawling the lists as to why when I run mytharchive against recordings with cutlists the audio ends up out of sync (getting progressively worse)?

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Dagmar:

Sounds like a bug in mytharchive

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Dagmar:

Freaking transcode out the cut parts and it should stop

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CaptObviousman:

I always get the itch to play with something new while I'm at work

[14:49:34]

djc_:

Ok, either I'm doing something completely wrong, or there is something wrong with myth. Everything works ok except one thing. I'm using an SVN compile checked out yesterday. I configured two 'Network Recorders' for capture cards. If I try to record one program while recording another, FE crashes, if I try to record two at once, they both are completely unusable (recording *one* works fine). And its not a bandwidth issue, nor a CPU issue, as on the same b

[14:49:34]

djc_:

ox I currently have 4 (yes *four*) instances of VLC running, each tuning a different channel, and all four screens are working fine.

[14:51:09]

Dagmar:

It helps when your question makes sense.

[14:51:12]

Diabolic:

Anyone know what the value of maximum volume is in vlcrc?

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djc_:

well, i guess the question is, what am I doing wrong. Why cant myth utilize two 'network recorder' capture cards successfully at the same time?

[14:52:08]

djc_:

or am I doing everything right, and is something broken in myth?

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Matt:

Dagmar, see, I find occasional references to the problem on the list, but no concrete answers

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djc_:

well even knowing that I am not the only one having this problem is nice, I guess

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Dagmar:

Break out your sniffer

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djc_:

to establish, what?

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djc_:

it tunes the program, the video just goes all to hell

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Dagmar:

nevermind

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djc_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3873

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FreshPrince:

hello, i'm a n000b in mythtv.. i already installed mythtv & mysql-clients.. what do i have to do next? -> /etc/rc.d/mysqld start ?

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Dagmar:

No one currently online has that equipmetn djc

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Dagmar:

...and not many people have it in the first place.

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Dagmar:

FreshPrince: THe installation documentation tells you EXACTLY what to do

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FreshPrince:

i dont understand the documentation:(

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Dagmar:

djc_: You are going to need to use a sniffer so you can explain how the network transport occurs or that bug will probably continue to be ignored

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Dagmar:

FreshPrince: Then you should probably stick with regular television, or maybe pick up a book.

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djc_:

Its just a simple UDP broadcast

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Dagmar:

There is no such thing.

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djc_:

#EXTINF:0,106 – BOOM

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djc_:

udp://@236.0.12.107:8208

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Dagmar:

It may be UDP broadcast, but that does *not* explain everything by any means

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djc_:

vlc, mplayer, and the mythtv recorder all recognize it with that type of m3u entry

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FreshPrince:

hm

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djc_:

er, not broadcast, multicast

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djc_:

each 'channel' has a different IP.. all at port 8208

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djc_:

#EXTINF:0,83 – MTV2

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djc_:

udp://@236.0.12.84:8208

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CaptObviousman:

FreshPrince: the price of a powerful software is knowledge and the desire to figure out problems

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Dagmar:

There's a huge difference between broadcast traffic and multicast traffic.

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CaptObviousman:

for now, you could start by reading all the scripts involved

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djc_:

and myth tunes it just fine, so long as its only tuning one

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Dagmar:

Yep well, this isn't a -dev channel.

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djc_:

yes, i meant multicast..

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FreshPrince:

k,

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djc_:

so what should I do? I'd be happy to take a network capture, but im not sure that has anything to do with the problem.. myth does support it, it just barfs when it tried to do two

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djc_:

a sniffer isnt going to show what myth is doing, its just going to show the multicast packets being sent

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djc_:

this seems like it might be related: http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2006-September/016141.html

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CaptObviousman:

seems like you're straying into dev territory here. We're just simple users

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djc_:

well, so am I

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CaptObviousman:

judging from your setup, you're past normal usage

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djc_:

it doesnt seem like it should be 'past normal usage' to be able to tune use two network recorders to tune two seperate network streams

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djc_:

but ok

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CaptObviousman:

I don't even have a mythtv box yet, I'm just a lurker at this point. Judging by the lack of response, no one can answer your question

[15:38:52]

CaptObviousman:

and there are some pretty smart people on here

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fryfrog:

djc_: i don't see much iptv talk in here, i think support is kind of newish and not used much.

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fryfrog:

did you try the mailling list?

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djc_:

no.. im not much of a mailing list person

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fryfrog:

me either :)

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djc_:

here is another post in that stream that seems related: http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2006-September/016144.html

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fryfrog:

but there is a searchable archive

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djc_:

it could be related to all the multicasts using the same port number

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djc_:

but vlc is able to handle it, so its got to be fixable

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djc_:

aha!

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CaptObviousman:

eureka?

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djc_:

well, i think I may see something that suggests the cause

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djc_:

no specifics on how to fix it

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djc_:

one sec while I collect some info

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djc_:

here is mythtv tuning one stream, as show in lsof :

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djc_:

mythbacke 28572 root 20u IPv4 113084 UDP *:lm-webwatcher

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djc_:

and here is vlc:

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djc_:

wxvlc 28671 mythtv 9u IPv4 113565 UDP 236.0.12.3:lm-webwatcher

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djc_:

it uses port 8208, which /etc/services calls "lm-webwatcher", which I think its entirely unrelated

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djc_:

so vlc is binding a specfic multicast IP, whereas myth is binding *

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djc_:

i shall add this info to the bug ticket

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kormoc_:

that doesn't matter

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kormoc:

honestly, it very likely could just be that svn is broken right now

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djc_:

yeah, but im thinking that when myth tries to do two, it gets both since it isnt selecting a specific one

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djc_:

had the same behaviour two months ago

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djc_:

and everytime ive tried it

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kormoc:

the select happens on the packet level, not the ip level

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djc_:

not just 'right now'

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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kormoc:

which network recorder is it?

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djc_:

yes, but the problem is that the only thing differentiating these streams is the IP.. they all come from the same source IP, and to the same port

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djc_:

i wasnt aware there was more than one in myth

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djc_:

network recorder, that is

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kormoc:

myth supports a few different ones

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kormoc:

I mean what device are you recording from?

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djc_:

this isnt unicast, this is multicast.. the receiver has to 'listen' to the specific IP

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djc_:

eh?

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djc_:

ethernet

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** kormoc sighs **

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kormoc:

there's some specific type of device on the other end of that ethernet cable

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kormoc:

like a hdhomerun or similar

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djc_:

the service provider runs ethernet to the tv, they put a small box there, which you normally 'tune' with.. then it outputs on ch 3 to the tv over coax

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djc_:

ive taken the ethernet, removed it from their device, and connected it to my box

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djc_:

and I can tune one program just fine, even with myth

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djc_:

the problem comes when I try to create two 'network recorder' capture cards, and tune two

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djc_:

i can run multiple vlc instance and watch multiple programs and it works fine.. with myth the video becomes unintelligble

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djc_:

when i try to tune more than one

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kormoc:

likely because the device on the other end isn't supported yet then

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djc_:

it works, with *one*

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kormoc:

so?

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kormoc:

there's no standard for network recorders

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djc_:

and reading over that thread at http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2006-September/016144.html

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kormoc:

it's likely doing something funky that doesn't cause issues until two are going at once

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djc_:

suggests the problem, which makes perfect sense

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djc_:

two vlc's work fine. heck even four of them (each one tuned to a different show) work fine

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djc_:

so the funkiness is in myth

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djc_:

and i beleive it has to do with it binding a wildcard instead of the specific multicast ip for what its tuning

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kormoc:

the idea is one receiver thread runs, receives all the data and splits it up to all the waiting recorders

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** kormoc shrugs **

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djc_:

well, if so, then it isnt doing what its supposed to, or it isnt able to recorgnize which data goes with which, as it has to use the destination ip to do so

[16:00:47]

djc_:

as that is the only difference

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djc_:

the source is the same, the port is the same

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djc_:

im going to go see if I can find the code for that

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masonsjax:

i'm running SVN fixes right now, one OS drive, and one storage drive. I'd like to add another storage drive.

[16:16:09]

masonsjax:

should i switch to trunk for the storage groups, or just LVM my system?

[16:18:09]

djc_:

yes

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djc_:

:P

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masonsjax:

awesome, thx :)

[16:18:34]

djc_:

uh

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djc_:

i dont really know

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djc_:

i was being flippint

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djc_:

ant

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masonsjax:

meither

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djc_:

bah

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djc_:

ok

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masonsjax:

dont really wanna wipe the storage i've got, but i dont think moving to trunk will be painless

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masonsjax:

oh well, guess i'll just build another backend :)

[16:22:48]

FreshPrince:

i need help :(

[16:23:06]

FreshPrince:

who can help me step by step to setup mythtv? :'(

[16:23:20]

masonsjax:

move in with your aunty and uncle in belair

[16:23:45]

FreshPrince:

hm.

[16:24:06]

masonsjax:

follow the wiki, then when you hit a specific problem, describe it here

[16:24:33]

FreshPrince:

well i dont nderstand the wiki..

[16:24:38]

FreshPrince:

whats complicated stuf.. :(

[16:24:41]

FreshPrince:

damn it.. :'(

[16:24:50]

FreshPrince:

i already installed mythtv & mysql..

[16:25:12]

masonsjax:

there are a lot of step-by-step guides out there

[16:25:29]

FreshPrince:

yes..

[16:25:36]

FreshPrince:

but for me its complicated.. i dotn understand it.

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masonsjax:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Operating_system

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FreshPrince:

masonsjax, mine is not listed there.

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masonsjax:

what is yours?

[16:28:14]

FreshPrince:

archlinux

[16:28:24]

FreshPrince:

i already follow the wiki

[16:28:32]

FreshPrince:

but its dammmn complicated..

[16:28:35]

masonsjax:

pacman -Sy mythtv

[16:28:38]

FreshPrince:

i also tried the wiki from gentoo

[16:28:45]

FreshPrince:

masonsjax, i tould i i already installed it :)

[16:29:23]

masonsjax:

if you followed the instructions and set up your database already, just run mythtv-setup and go thru the menus.

[16:30:21]

masonsjax:

then run mythfilldatabase, start your backend, start the frontend and viola

[16:31:06]

masonsjax:

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MythTV_Walkthrough

[16:31:14]

masonsjax:

google is your friend

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FreshPrince:

masonsjax, ok i'm gonna try it again.. step by step.

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FreshPrince:

i've now installed mythtv and mysql.. and now i have startet mysql

[16:33:48]

FreshPrince:

now i should set a pw

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FreshPrince:

masonsjax, i can't set the pw..

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FreshPrince:

mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed

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FreshPrince:

error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'

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RaYmAn-Bx:

FreshPrince: try with mysql NOT running

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FreshPrince:

ok

[16:37:23]

FreshPrince:

RaYmAn-Bx, ysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed

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FreshPrince:

error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2)'

[16:37:23]

FreshPrince:

Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/tmp/mysql.sock' exists!

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FreshPrince:

:(

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RaYmAn-Bx:

what are you using to set the password?

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FreshPrince:

mysqladmin -u root password <pw for mysql>

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FreshPrince:

is that wrong? :S

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RaYmAn-Bx:

probably not..sure the install app didn't set a root pw for you?

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FreshPrince:

nope

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FreshPrince:

well i have to set e mysql pw right?

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FreshPrince:

hum did not work..

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FreshPrince:

and if i try to start mysql and then to set pw i became this errir:

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FreshPrince:

*error:

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FreshPrince:

mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed

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FreshPrince:

error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'

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RaYmAn-Bx:

FreshPrince: it kind of indicates that a password has already been set for the root user..

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Mr_Grieves:

I'm becoming a regular, what with all my problems with this box :P Today, I'm trying to just do ./configure on an ubuntu box with a fresh checkout of trunk, and the sanity check fails. It complains about not being able to execute from /tmp, and config.err says:

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Mr_Grieves:

./configure: /tmp/ffmpeg-conf-22984-18806–2307: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Text file busySanity test failed.

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sebrock:

god diddely, anyone got a tip for a Intel 775 mobo with optical audio out?

[16:51:36]

Mr_Grieves:

sometimes it is able to configure, sometimes it just sits there, sometimes it gives me that error. I've tried deleting that /tmp ffmpeg file it complains about, but it doesn't help.

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FreshPrince:

RaYmAn-Bx, and how can i change the pw?.. :S

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dr_lulz:

is anyone here interested in a very hackish hack in order to display privmsgs and (pseudo-)hilights on the myth osd (via an ssh connection)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

FreshPrince: check mysql.org

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masonsjax:

FreshPrince: you're running as root, right?

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sebrock:

why are there no Intel 775 mobos with optical out?

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GreyFoxx:

dr_lulz: passphraseless ssh keys and mythtvosd ? :)

[17:00:49]

dr_lulz:

well, right now i run it in a term, so i can enter pass/key pass ;)

[17:03:10]

dr_lulz:

ssh lulzmeister.de "tail -f -n 0 irssi" | while read l...

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dr_lulz:

irssi is some file which a tiny irssi plugin writes all the relevant lines to

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Daviey:

dr_lulz: do you mean for irssi?

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dr_lulz:

yes

[17:07:25]

Daviey:

dr_lulz: already doing it :D

[17:07:29]

dr_lulz:

heh

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dr_lulz:

how do you do it?

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Daviey:

same.. irssi highlights to ssh

[17:08:16]

Daviey:

I actually switched it off, as it got kinda annoying ;)

[17:08:23]

dr_lulz:

heh :>

[17:08:34]

dr_lulz:

can i see your code?

[17:08:40]

Daviey:

erm.. wait one

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dr_lulz:

mine is crappy++, cba to read up on irssi plugins enough ;)

[17:09:03]

dr_lulz:

thanks :)

[17:09:11]

Daviey:

Arg.. the server it's on is switched off.. lemme recreate it

[17:09:47]

Daviey:

I based it on http://www.pthree.org/2007/03/21/irssi-gui-notify/

[17:10:22]

FreshPrince:

RaYmAn-Bx, i think i got it.. but i can't watch tv.. he says the device /dev/v4l/video0 he can't search the tv card.. :/

[17:10:23]

Daviey:

http://thorstenl.blogspot.com/2007/01/thls-ir . . . -script.html rather

[17:10:42]

dr_lulz:

heh, i already followdd the link :>

[17:11:38]

dr_lulz:

i abused a pidgin-libnotify project yesterday in order to create a pidgin myth osd thingie.. nive conincidence :> (re first link)

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Daviey:

dr_lulz: what i should add... should tell whether i am attached to the 'screen' irssi – then only fire the notify if i am not

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FreshPrince:

RaYmAn-Bx, any idea? :S

[17:12:38]

Daviey:

dr_lulz: DaveMorris made/used (can't remember) a pidgin myth ods plugin

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Daviey:

s/ods/osd

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dr_lulz:

got some url?

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dr_lulz:

hrm, i dont need such advanced featuers such as screen detection – i usually dont have the screen attached and mythtv running at the same time

[17:14:23]

RaYmAn-Bx:

FreshPrince: make sure it works outside of myth first

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dr_lulz:

but i gotta figure some easy way to turn it off – dont want disturbing/infoleaks when watching some movie with a girl ;P

[17:14:33]

FreshPrince:

RaYmAn-Bx, yes it does.. with tvtime

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RaYmAn-Bx:

FreshPrince: did you run mythtv as the same user?

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CharlieSu:

dr_lulz: infoleaks?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

might be permissions

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dr_lulz:

CharlieSu: people sending random irc/im messages to me with contents not everyone should see ;)

[17:16:15]

FreshPrince:

RaYmAn-Bx, yup :) ands then i startet backend.. after that the frontend

[17:16:21]

CharlieSu:

dr_lulz: gotcha. haha.. nice

[17:16:45]

FreshPrince:

RaYmAn-Bx, but mythfilldatabase didnt work..

[17:16:53]

RaYmAn-Bx:

FreshPrince: check the backend log perhaps?

[17:16:59]

dr_lulz:

staying with that example, "have you already laid the girl who you were dating tonight?" would be a killer ;P

[17:17:04]

FreshPrince:

RaYmAn-Bx, http://phpfi.com/269365

[17:17:27]

RaYmAn-Bx:

did you run the setup program? =P

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Daviey:

dr_lulz: Yeah.. that would upset MrsDaviey and my daughter no end

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dr_lulz:

hah

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FreshPrince:

RaYmAn-Bx, heh afcourse i did :)

[17:18:07]

RaYmAn-Bx:

FreshPrince: did you setup channels then? =P

[17:18:27]

FreshPrince:

RaYmAn-Bx, no how can i do that if he dont use y tv card? :(

[17:18:51]

Daviey:

dr_lulz: I also thought about making an autoresponder to pm's... I am away at the moment, if you want to SMS me type: !SMS example message (make it worthwhile as i pick up the bill)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

duh =P focus on getting the tv card working first, then worry about tv info

[17:19:14]

dr_lulz:

Daviey: hrmz, standard /away suffices IMO

[17:19:24]

RaYmAn-Bx:

Daviey: kind of makes abuse tempting =P

[17:19:29]

RaYmAn-Bx:

at least to some people.

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dr_lulz:

Daviey: also i wouldnt allow people to do anything uncontrolled that costs me any money ;)

[17:19:53]

FreshPrince:

RaYmAn-Bx, well the tv card works fine with "tvtime"

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dr_lulz:

Daviey: /exec -o perl -e'"print !sms lolz expensive"x1000' would fail ;)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

FreshPrince: I'd still bet on either wrong permissions or using the wrong path (is the card even supported by myth? =P)

[17:22:02]

FreshPrince:

RaYmAn-Bx, i think yes.. its a pinnacle card.. and the module bttv and bt878 are already loaded

[17:25:43]

FreshPrince:

:(

[17:26:33]

RaYmAn-Bx:

sorry, can't really help..Haven't touched my mythtv setup for around a year...but it sounds like permissions or path

[17:26:42]

FreshPrince:

hm

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FreshPrince:

what do u rather ? what should i try/do now?

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FreshPrince:

RaYmAn-Bx, he can search my bttv card.. but if i try to scan for channels there is an error: coult not search with tv card..

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FreshPrince:

can anybody help? :(

[17:46:47]

FreshPrince:

rooaus, :? :P

[17:46:51]

FreshPrince:

RaYmAn-Bx, ? ^^

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FreshPrince:

2007-10–16 19:51:40.276 Failed to run tv_find_grabbers

[17:53:06]

FreshPrince:

hm..

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jarle:

FreshPrince: you've got xmltv installed?

[17:57:00]

FreshPrince:

nope

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FreshPrince:

do i have to?

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FreshPrince:

i thought i dont need it, because i use tvtime..

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jarle:

tv_find_grabbers is part of xmltv afaik...

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FreshPrince:

hm ok

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FreshPrince:

i'm gonna install it

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FreshPrince:

m

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venger:

anyone running nvidia-agp module; is nvidia-agp to replace intel_agp or agpgart? i blacklisted agpgart but it appears intel_agp loads it anyway

[18:07:44]

Dagmar:

Let the system's udev deal with whether or not to load that module

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Dagmar:

If it was needed and didn't get loaded, nVidia's driver module *also* has agpgart code of it's own as a fallback

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GreyFoxx:

WTF. mythweb is showing a upcoming recording item of "Fresh prince of Bellaire" set to record anytime on that channel..... but I jhave no such recording rul

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GreyFoxx:

weird.... doing a mythbackend --resched "fixed" it to what it was suppose to be

[18:09:24]

dr_lulz:

mythweb open to the world? *g*

[18:09:26]

jarle:

GreyFoxx: You didn't before your girlie started messing about....

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GreyFoxx:

jarle: My wife can't stand that show :)

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GreyFoxx:

after a --resched it is now showing us sa the right show

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GreyFoxx:

weird

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defaultro:

does anyone know if blackberry will be able to display mythweb?

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Kazan:

heh

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Kazan:

blackberry mythweb :D

[18:10:25]

GreyFoxx:

defaultro: mine blows up if I try

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GreyFoxx:

it's way too many tables and java for it to handle

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GreyFoxx:

at least the 2 times I tried to load it on mine

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dr_lulz:

hrm

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dr_lulz:

somebody should create some asterisk stuff to schedule recordings via phone

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defaultro:

so it doesn't work?

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GreyFoxx:

dr_lulz: That's already out there

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dr_lulz:

oh, didnt know that – cool :D

[18:11:40]

GreyFoxx:

Not something I'd ever use, but it's out there. I just have my asterisk sending callerid events to my main frontend

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siXy:

anyone remember what the mythdvd ripper encodes as by default?

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dr_lulz:

GreyFoxx: hrm,i can only find stuff that works like some remote control replacement

[18:13:51]

dr_lulz:

i thought of something like calling home, scheduling to record a show

[18:14:05]

dr_lulz:

"now enter the channel number, end with #"

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GreyFoxx:

dr_lulz: There are people out there doing just that

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GreyFoxx:

They come in here from mtime to time

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siXy:

dr_lulz: why not just use the browser on a (modern) mobile?

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GreyFoxx:

no idea if they publish it though

[18:15:21]

dr_lulz:

siXy: its less lulz

[18:15:28]

dr_lulz:

also, my phone aint that hightech ;)

[18:15:45]

dr_lulz:

however, i dont even have an asterisk implementation

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dr_lulz:

s/implementation/setup/

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dr_lulz:

bwah

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dr_lulz:

i should go fix my lack of sleep

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siXy:

GreyFoxx: out of interest, is there an (easy) way of scehudling from commandline?

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GreyFoxx:

not really no

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GreyFoxx:

just the mysql commandline client

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GreyFoxx:

followed by a mythbackend --resched

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siXy:

hmm. well if i find time next week i might try to write myth-schedule to do that

[18:17:40]

venger:

Dagmar the main thing is i'm occasionaly getting NVP: prebuffering pause on the FE and this occurs sometimes 5 minutes, 10, or even 30 minutes later and causes a half second freeze frame and audio blip

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Dagmar:

venger: That woulnd't be the AGP driver

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Dagmar:

prebuffering stuff is *not* in the video output

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Dagmar:

Using an ext3 fileystsem for recordings could do it real quick tho

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majost_:

I installed multirec this morning, and deleted and re-added my tuner cards... but now the numbers are all screwed up

[18:53:10]

majost_:

that is to say, tuner 1 is tuner 9

[18:53:16]

majost_:

and 2 is 10

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majost_:

so on...

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directhex:

okay, 44 recordings that need REAL work to re-integrate

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majost_:

Can I just change this by hand in the DB without breaking a bunch of stuff?

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Majost:

brb

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fryfrog:

majost: use the *delete all on all hosts* one

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fryfrog:

instead of just on this host

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majost:

ah

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sphery:

directhex: Still recovering your files? Did you determine the cause of the filesystem failure?

[18:58:00]

directhex:

sphery, JFS sucks!

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sphery:

Oh.

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directhex:

sphery, the error i got is in more than one place on google

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sphery:

What did you switch to?

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directhex:

i can't switch, i don't have the means to back up all my data for a reformat

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sphery:

Too bad. That's why I'm very happy with my no-Multiple-Disk-in-sight setup (no LVM or RAID). Makes it easier to change if I need to.

[18:59:39]

sphery:

But, it does mean that when a disk/filesystem breaks, I lose the data (no redundancy).

[19:00:06]

GreyFoxx:

hehe I just have several file servers and "usually" enough free space to cover the space of anye one if needed

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sphery:

Fortunately--so far, at least--my need for larger and larger disks has grown faster than the MTBF for my disks. :)

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bsdfox__:

directhex: I've had good luck with xfs on my videos partition

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GreyFoxx:

biggest problem I find is the slow speed of copying large amounts of data around

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GreyFoxx:

even gigabit isn't really fast when you are talking aterabyte

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: no joke

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directhex:

bsdfox__, aye, i should've trusted SGI more than IBM

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directhex:

i was just pissed at the format time for xfs compared to jfs!

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bsdfox__:

:P

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: Even copying from disk to disk using (P|S)ATA is slow when talking about a TB. I'm looking forward to multi-TB ONFI DIMM's ( http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2 . . . -flash-flash ), but that's a long way off... :)

[19:08:18]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: Yeah. that's what kills me. I have to regularly copy ~1TB or so around, including within the machine itself and it takes forever

[19:08:43]

GreyFoxx:

It's the biggest speed limit I find on just about any PC I encounter that is less than 3 years old

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sphery:

I'm glad I don't have to regularly copy TB's (I'm still in the 10's to 100's of GB range). What type of data are you copying around (all video)?

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GreyFoxx:

personally it's mostly video but in my work life can it can just about anything

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GreyFoxx:

Cloning mail servers, copying data from old file servers to new ones, tons of s4tuff

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GreyFoxx:

I usually have to do 1 "large" copy at least once a week for some reason or other

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GreyFoxx:

<<-- Works for a Telco + colo data center

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sphery:

Wow. I forgot about your work life... That makes sense, now that you remind me.

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psymin:

GreyFoxx, experiment at all with bonding two gigabit links?

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GreyFoxx:

psymin: Can't say I have no

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psymin:

me neither, seemed too complicated and as reliable

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psymin:

s/and as/and not as/

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GreyFoxx:

In this particular case mainly since the limit appears regularly to be the HD transfer rate itself, even when copying from 1 set of drives ot another set in the same box

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** GreyFoxx has a stack of Gigabit switches next to his desk to configure **

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sphery:

I'm downgrading my MBE from a gigabit NIC to a 100Mb NIC. (Only because I'm replacing a PO? motherboard in the MBE.)

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GreyFoxx:

we're replacing all of our internal stuff over the next couple weeks

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psymin:

good deal

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sphery:

Wow. 2.5" HDD's have really dropped in price in the last 2 years. Buying a new larger disk would make transcoding HDTV to carry TV with/in my laptop on trips a lot easier--I wouldn't have to worry so much about bitrate and could still get good quality.

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majost:

hmmm

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majost:

DVBChan(7:1) Warning: Your frequency setting (12530180) is out of range. (min/max:760000/2270000)

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majost:

This is with multirec from last night

[19:21:00]

majost:

I double checked the LNB settings, and they are correct.

[19:21:24]

sphery:

majost: Did you specify a frequency or was this during a channel scan?

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majost:

This was when I started the backend

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majost:

I used my existing DB which was used in trunk

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sphery:

I'd recommend doing the Delete all capture cards (again), /and/ doing a Delete all video sources. Make sure you use the "Delete all"

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majost:

I did

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majost:

=/

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sphery:

You did the delete all video sources, too?

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majost:

I did both twice in different order to be sure

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majost:

I did not kill the sources

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majost:

was hoping to avoid that if possible

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sphery:

The sources keep the channels.

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sphery:

Deleting the sources will fix problems with channel definitions.

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majost:

takes a while to scan them all. =(

[19:23:15]

majost:

*nod*

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majost:

will do

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sphery:

good luck.

[19:23:26]

majost:

thanks

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sphery:

but, though it takes a while, we appreciate your taking the time to test out the new features, so thanks.

[19:24:13]

majost:

=)

[19:24:24]

majost:

More than happy to.

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majost:

On a semi-related note.. if anyone cares: http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/16/analyst-sa . . . re-echostar/

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WetOphelia:

http://xmilk.com

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Dagmar:

And another one goes into the shitlist

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majost:

This seems like an obvious no... but is there a branch of mythweb which works okay with multirec?

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majost:

heh

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majost:

seems like the channel listings and search is just borked for me.

[19:42:14]

majost:

which may be related to needing to rescan

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majost:

heh

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majost:

now that I think about it

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GreyFoxx:

major: The regular trunk works fine for multirec

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GreyFoxx:

you just need to edit one include to change the protocol version to 3700

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** majost nods **

[19:43:01]

majost:

yeah.. did that much

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majost:

my search results and listing results return a blank page

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majost:

no errors in the backend log either.

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sphery:

majost: have you re-associated your video sources with inputs (Input Connections page)?

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** GreyFoxx thankfully rarely has to rescan **

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majost:

sphery: yup.

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majost:

I will double check, one moment.

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sphery:

I need to rescan to see if a local channel (community college PBS station) has started properly sending tables again. Removed the channel when they stopped and I got failed recordings, but it's been a couple of months, so...

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sphery:

Guess if they haven't, I should learn more about ATSC so I can call them and tell them how their signal is non-compliant.

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majost:

hehe

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majost:

sphery: the video sources are associated to their appropriate inputs

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majost:

I haven't done a mythfilldatabase sense switching to multirec... however I assumed the exsisting data would have been applicable.

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majost:

I can give that a shot if you think it might help.

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sphery:

majost: Delete all video sources will delete all your program listings, too, so mythfilldatabase after re-creating sources/re-associating inputs is required.

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sphery:

majost: Though, you should probably do a scan first, then--if required--set your xmltvid's.

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** majost nods **

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directhex:

balls to ~30 recordings i don't want to have to watch to determine database values for

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majost:

doh.. my mythbox crashed. =( Gonna have to wait until tonight to reboot it. =(

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jenetik:

Whats the flag to allow mythfrontend to do screenshots?

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jenetik:

??

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venger:

the first couple of rows of pixels at the very top of my screen "bounce" or "flicker" is that underscan?

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xand:

does mythtv support pdc or similar to alter program start/end times?

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sphery:

xand: no

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sphery:

venger: Basically. it's because TV's were designed to overscan and you're not overscanning enough.

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xand:

aww why not :(

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sphery:

I think they did some initial work on it and it caused more problems than it solved.

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xand:

hm

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sphery:

i.e. quality of data was worse than the listings data

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sphery:

But, Myth can use EIT data (in digital broadcasts) to fill the guide and--if the EIT is update (though probably not if just EIT now/next is updated), the start/end times will change as required.

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sphery:

But, you don't want to mix XMLTV (or SD) and EIT.

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xand:

hmm maybe I'll see if that works

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Yahooadam:

are you in #ubuntu xris ?

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xris:

no

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Yahooadam:

oh hes xris_

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Yahooadam:

why would somone else be using that name ... it doesnt seem like one that would pop into your head ...

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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Hilikus:

is there a way to activate cookies in mythbrowser??

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Hilikus:

i guess not

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xris:

Yahooadam: grumble.. people taking my nick.

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xris:

I should register that one, too

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venger:

sphery, ok I just wanted to be certain that was something I would be expected to adjust overscan for

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Yahooadam:

Hilikus – it doesnt mean no, just means no-one who knows has seen your question yet

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Hilikus:

i dont see anything in the docs about cookies, i hah the feeling theyre not supported

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docjay:

anyone here know how to install curl for ubuntu?

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docjay:

trying to make the xm scripts work for myth and curl is required

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directhex:

it's immensely hard

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directhex:

you have to, like, run "sudo apt-get install curl"

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docjay:

sweet- thanks

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docjay:

I always think its harder than what it really is..

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degreseven:

how can i remove myth if it was manually installed from svn?

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degreseven:

nevermind =)

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Newbuntu2:

hello

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Newbuntu2:

I'm looking for a USB video capture device with hardware encoding. Is there such a thing?

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fiXXXerMe1:

Setting up a myth box on a 500GB SATAII drive. I'll be hosting lots of music (small mp3s) and dvds (large files). What file system is a good pick?

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xris:

ext3?

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xris:

jfs or zfs are also probably acceptable.

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fiXXXerMe1:

zfs if I was using solaris,

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fryfrog:

xfs are okay too

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venger:

i think i got rid of my NVP: prebuffering pause by disabling audio buffer, but hell who knows

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xris:

xfs is good, but has fallen out of favor now that it's not maintained as well as it used to be

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