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Monday, October 15th, 2007, 00:03 UTC

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UnixDog:

`/join #knoppmyth

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robbins61:

i have some files on my backend that i want to access from my laptop

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robbins61:

i need to change the file permissions to be able to access those files

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robbins61:

can I somehow change the permissions from my laptop?

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robbins61:

i think i want to secure shell in, or something

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robbins61:

but i have no idea how to do that

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venger:

robbins61, whats your distro

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robbins61:

fedora

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UnixDog:

it crashed

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UnixDog:

now I am really mad

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venger:

have you tried "ssh <backendhostname> yet?

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robbins61:

venger, nope

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UnixDog:

this is a via c3 1.3 ghz with a gig of rm and 320 gig hd

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UnixDog:

it should kick ass and take names

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venger:

you want to look a your packages and see if some flavor of sshd is installed on the backend or ps -aef | grep ssh

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robbins61:

venger, thanks man, that worked perfectly

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EnterUserName:

hey all

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EnterUserName:

how do you use mythtv / xine with a tv when your using xinerema

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EnterUserName:

how do you tell it to go on the tv because you use display

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EnterUserName:

any suggestions

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xris:

EnterUserName: that's why I had mine set up to NOT use xinerama when I did that

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xris:

if you use xinerama, it's up to your WM to know where to put the window, not X.

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xris:

KDE might be able to remember where mythtv was last time.. I know that gnome doesn't

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EnterUserName:

so

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EnterUserName:

how do i put the window there :)

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xris:

make sure your mouse pointer is on the TV screen when you run mythfrontend

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EnterUserName:

I was able to place it there last time.. but there was the blue window square..

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EnterUserName:

ahh

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EnterUserName:

i used the window option so i can move it..

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EnterUserName:

but once its there the blue thing is still there :S

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xris:

what blue thing?

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EnterUserName:

The window part

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EnterUserName:

With the minimize/maximize

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xris:

ah

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EnterUserName:

which kinda killed it :)

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xris:

on, you started the frontend in a window?

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EnterUserName:

ya

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xris:

yeah.. that won't help.

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EnterUserName:

i could use the [position

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EnterUserName:

field but how can i find my current position

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EnterUserName:

so i know where its suppose to go :_

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EnterUserName:

:S

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venger:

i'm confused, so you are saying you have a CRT/LCD display hooked along side the TV and now xine is playing on the CRT/LCD?

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EnterUserName:

ok

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EnterUserName:

I figured it out.. Question anyone here using mythtv

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EnterUserName:

with gentoo

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EnterUserName:

why doesnt any of the versions match with mytharchive and mythtv?

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EnterUserName:

and why does my whole xwindows crash

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EnterUserName:

when i close out of mythtv :)

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EnterUserName:

whats the resolution for north america

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EnterUserName:

hello?

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Tanthrix:

EnterUserName: For NTSC you mean? 720x480i

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UnixDog:

Device: 00:14.0

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UnixDog:

Class: Network controller

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UnixDog:

Vendor: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd

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UnixDog:

Device: B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card

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UnixDog:

SVendor: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd

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UnixDog:

SDevice: B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card

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UnixDog:

Rev: 02

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UnixDog:

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UnixDog:

and I cant seem to get it to work

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EnterUserName:

hey

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EnterUserName:

what resolution should i use in north america?

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Pryon:

720x480?

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Pryon:

Does anybody in NA use PAL?

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EnterUserName:

no

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EnterUserName:

i tried 720x480

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EnterUserName:

it doesnt look right

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EnterUserName:

and is anyone here using gentoo

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EnterUserName:

why do the mytharchive and the mythtv have different versions

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EnterUserName:

so i cant use them

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EnterUserName:

Anyone here in north america? Or are you all watching tv ha ha ha

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opello:

yeah

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EnterUserName:

umm.. What resolution do you use?

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opello:

720x480 on my pvr-500

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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EnterUserName:

thats what im using but its kinda blurry

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** EnterUserName is using his tv set **

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opello:

*shrug*

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** EnterUserName sighs. THe other problem is whenever mythtv closes it ills my xserver :( **

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opello:

are you running mythfrontend from your xinitrc?

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EnterUserName:

no

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EnterUserName:

im running it from a shell prompt

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opello:

that's kind of odd then

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opello:

like an xterm inside your window manager?

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EnterUserName:

i open a konsole window to run it

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EnterUserName:

ya

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EnterUserName:

konsole actually..

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opello:

does X say anything on stdout or are you running it through kdm?

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opello:

(or stderr i guess :)

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EnterUserName:

running it through kdm

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EnterUserName:

i just see my whole xwindow stop..

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EnterUserName:

how can i tell the error message?

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opello:

not sure if it'd be in /var/log/Xorg.log, but if it isn't, run it without kdm and run it with startx &> foo.log or similar

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EnterUserName:

I'm actually finally using xinerama with the xinerama function in mythtv

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EnterUserName:

its working nicely..

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opello:

so if you run myth without xinerama anything does it not crash on exit? :)

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EnterUserName:

oh ya

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EnterUserName:

it does... it was happening before i changed it

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EnterUserName:

I just dont wanna go into the work debugging it.. i can proabbly live with it since i always want i running anyway

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EnterUserName:

ah is 4:3 520x480?

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EnterUserName:

so 16:9 is 720x480?

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opello:

depends on the shape of the pixels :)

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EnterUserName:

hrm..

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EnterUserName:

Sigh.. setting up my tv is hard..

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EnterUserName:

Total desktop dim: 3280x1024,

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EnterUserName:

heh

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** EnterUserName ponders.. switching from a CRT to a LCD is really noticable with xinerama lol **

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Tanthrix:

EnterUserName: I usually ran 800x600 on my old SD CRT sets over nvidia TV-out

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Tanthrix:

Myth / mplayer / whatever will always scale video appropriately when running full screen.

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Tanthrix:

On my new HD set I output at 1920x1080p over DVI

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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EnterUserName:

tanthtrix ill give it a try

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EnterUserName:

i gotta love the developers though

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EnterUserName:

they made it so i can use xinerama

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EnterUserName:

:)

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keithclark:

Wondering if someone can help me with my installation of Mythtv. I have followed the instructions but I still cannot seem to get past the database access point.

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keithclark:

I start mythtv-setup and it asks me for the language. Then it asks me for the ip, database name, username, password and database type.

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keithclark:

I use my ip, username mythtv, pswd mythtv and mysql as database type.

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keithclark:

Then I hit next. Another screen comes up, but i just accept the default and select finish.

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keithclark:

Now when I try mythtv, the same screen comes up over and over again.

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keithclark:

I must be doing something wrong in trying to access the mythconverge database but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong

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Kernel:

hello all. i just installed myth and it should be all set up but when i goto watch tv it only has a green and red screen...not even static..

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Kernel:

i have a pvr-150 card

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keithclark:

Database error was:

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keithclark:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' to database 'mythconverge'

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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EnterUserName:

not sure kernel

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EnterUserName:

did you set up the video properly

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EnterUserName:

u using the tuner/svideo/rca?

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Kernel:

yea

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EnterUserName:

try the other

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Kernel:

hmm ok

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EnterUserName:

try svideo instead of tuner or vice ersa

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** EnterUserName shrugs. **

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EnterUserName:

make sure its setup in mythtv-setup

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Kernel:

yea.

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** EnterUserName sighs **

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EnterUserName:

i stopped my torrent

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EnterUserName:

and now ive got slow torrents :(

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Der_Thomas:

anyone around?

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Der_Thomas:

I'm having trouble with mythvideo

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Der_Thomas:

All of my movies are choppy

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Der_Thomas:

anyone have any ideas?

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adutko:

Hey guys, I thought I'd try here before digging myself into the Mythweb files looking for a solution. Does anyone know if there is a special class the mythweb devs already have set up to schedule a recording?

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Der_Thomas:

I think that I might be the only one here, but I don't know anythign about that, sorry

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Der_Thomas:

you kow anything about fixing choppy video in MythVideo?

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adutko:

doh!

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adutko:

Check your drivers

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Der_Thomas:

anazing that there are 191 people logged in but no one home...

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Der_Thomas:

well, my video is fine on regular TV and recordings, but mythvideo is choppy when playing mpgs

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keithclark:

Yes, the response rate is not great here to say the least

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Der_Thomas:

goodnight all

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adutko:

Woohoo, I found my answer by digging through the files :D

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Leebier:

is there an easy way to empty the listings downlaoded from mythfilldatabase? it has a bunch of bad data in it (programs on wrong channels due to changing cable co's)

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Leebier:

when i run mythfilldatabase, it says it already has data for each day so how do i force it to replace what it has?

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Leebier:

hmm, guessi shoulda thought of checking --help before coming in :)

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Leebier:

i've been dealing with ivtv and lirc all week, not used to things being documented

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clever:

lol:)

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Leebier:

well, g'nite

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xirctrip:

I've got a horizontal black line like the first two rows of pixels that flickers (testing on a crt monitor right now) is that video overscan perhaps?

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Kernel:

hello all im trying to find out some info on the prefered mpeg decoder ?...i cant seem to find a list of what they all do and what offers the best quality..ive googled but havent found a anser. any one have any idea?

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EnterUserName:

kernel you want HDTV? :S

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Kernel:

lol yes. if your buying for me ;-0

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EnterUserName:

haha

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EnterUserName:

well i have normal tv i like my pvr 150

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EnterUserName:

for the blaster

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EnterUserName:

and the Adaptec for my tuner one..

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UnixDog:

ok anyone here on mythdora ?

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UnixDog:

4.0 ?

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Kernel:

i like my tuner too. but am trying to optimize the picture quality.

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tmba:

crap, I still am not able to get any channels showing in neither mythtv nor xawtv. I suspect it might be because of this message in my messages: 'ivtv0: Failed to load module tuner'. Anyone else had issues such as this? (rmmod and modprobe manually also does not work btw)

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tank-man:

tmba, you need to have ivtv setup before trying mythtv/xawtv

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tank-man:

did you install the firmware for the pvr card?

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tmba:

tank-man: yeah, what I did was to enable v4l in the kernel

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tank-man:

yea, thats one of the steps you need to do

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tmba:

tank-man: I have not installed the firmware specifically.. seems it gets loaded though

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tank-man:

what are the instructions you are following ?

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tmba:

I've been mainly following this: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV

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tmba:

and the gentoo installation docs

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tmba:

with gentoo installation docs, I mean the handbook for installing gentoo

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tmba:

ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-init.mpg firmware (155648 bytes)

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tmba:

so I believe that the firmware gets loaded

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tank-man:

i think the "tuner" module shows up when you compile the bttv (?) kernel module

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tmba:

# zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i tuner

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tmba:

# CONFIG_TUNER_3036 is not set

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tmba:

CONFIG_VIDEO_TUNER=m

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UnixDog:

ok I need a good tv tunner card inexpensive but supported by mythtv and I would like it to be hd

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UnixDog:

it seems the card I have is not working

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tank-man:

what are the instructions you are following _to install the ivtv modules_

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tank-man:

that gentoo link didnt have any ivtv relavent ivtv info

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tmba:

ok, give me a minute.. I found a spot where they listed the kernel modules

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tmba:

kernel modules for my card, pvr 350

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tmba:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Gentoo# . . . _easy_return

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tmba:

and http://blog.matthewsmith.id.au/2007/08/15/myt . . . age-pvr-350/

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tank-man:

so you just typed those two commands to install it?

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tank-man:

emerge and modprobe?

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tmba:

tank-man: as far as I understand, I don't need ivtv (the utils) just to make it work. I did emerge it though, but all it installed were the utilities, no kernel modules. For the kernel modules, I installed these specific ones:

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tmba:

* Loadable module support -> Automatic kernel module loading (CONFIG_KMOD) * Device Drivers -> Multimedia Devices -> Video For Linux (CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV) * Device Drivers -> I2C support (CONFIG_I2C) * Device Drivers -> Multimedia Devices -> Enable Video For Linux API 1 (DEPRECATED) (CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1) * Conexant cx23416/cx23415 MPEG encoder/decoder support (CONFIG_VIDEO_IVTV)

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tmba:

tank-man: I installed those by rebuilding my kernel.. make menuconfig/make && make modules_install

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tank-man:

which did you do first? build your new kernel then install ivtv modules? or ivtv modules then new kernel

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tmba:

then I put the modules into /etc/modules.autoload/kernel2.6 by using the command "find /lib/modules/2.6.22-gentoo-r8/ -type f -iname '*.ko' -or -iname '*.o'"

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tmba:

tank-man: the Kernel modules were compiled together with the kernel, since they are part of the kernel

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tank-man:

oh, the ivtv modules i used are older

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tmba:

yeah, with the new kernel, the modules are inside the kernel itself :)

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tmba:

I think specifically, the module that I need is this one: Conexant cx23416/cx23415 MPEG encoder/decoder support (CONFIG_VIDEO_IVTV)

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tmba:

it seems to enable a number of other modules

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tmba:

anyhow, there's not much in the messages log that is usable either.. look here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-582632.h . . . 1dbff4fbbfd5 ( the last message is mine, it contains the log from /var/log/messages)

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UnixDog:

I need a list of known good working cards with mythtv

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tmba:

UnixDog: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.htm . . . pture_device

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UnixDog:

thanks

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tank-man:

tmba, what pvr card do you have? 350?

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tmba:

tank-man: yeah

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tank-man:

did you enable these in the kernel config? CONFIG_VIDEO_CX2341X CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA711X CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA7127 CONFIG_VIDEO_MSP3400 CONFIG_VIDEO_BT848

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tmba:

checkign

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tmba:

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tmba:

CONFIG_VIDEO_MSP3400=m

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tmba:

CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA711X=m

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tmba:

CONFIG_VIDEO_CX2341X=m

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tmba:

CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA7127=m

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tmba:

CONFIG_VIDEO_BT848=m

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tmba:

you know, the weird thing is that ivtv says it cannot load the module eeprom.. yet eeprom puts stuff in the messages log right after that

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tmba:

also, both tveeprom and tuner are showing when I do lsmod

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tank-man:

i suggest going thru the 'generic' steps on that ivtv page instead of the gentoo specific one. it might be missing a step

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tmba:

sorry.. I said eeprom in message before last.. it is supposed to be tveeprom

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tmba:

right, ok I'll try doing that. There might be something I missed

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tank-man:

: ) yea, i understood

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tmba:

thanks

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goodtimes:

what would be a good way for me to build a low powered full functional mythtv box? Low power is the key

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Speedy2:

Hey all. Something kind of odd. I cleared out my program guide by clearing the program table. Now I don't get EPG info for some channels, seems kind of random which ones show "NO DATA". Any suggestions on fixing?

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Speedy2:

Will MythWeb listing not show channels if they have the same name?

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bsdfox:

2007-10–14 22:55:45.804 MythSocket(b1c730:23): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick).

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bsdfox:

anyone know what that error means? I get it occasionally and my video playback stops

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bsdfox:

I'm confident it's a backend problem cause I can have two frontends playing and they always stop at the same time

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dgoodlad:

anyone here using ati's TexturedVideo to display HD? I can get mplayer to decode and play my hd recordings without a single frame dropping, but mythtv doesn't even get 1 fps

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dgoodlad:

I'm at a loss now, I've tried every output available in myth

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doc__:

hi there

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marenz:

anybody from germany successfully using a hauppauge pvr 350 vers 991 ?

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sjkwizard:

i've configured mythtv backserver but i can't able to scan channel? how can i test if my config is currently working?

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sjkwizard:

!log

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sjkwizard:

!

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bendailey:

sjkwizard: are you still around?

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soweto76:

ivtv: version 1.0.0 (2.6.22-14-generic SMP mod_unload 586 ) The ivtv-fb does not seem to work for PVR350 at this time. Is there something I have to do differently from earlier versions. Formerly, I loaded ivtv-fb osd_compat=1 .

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sjkwizard:

oh yes

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sjkwizard:

bendailey: i repost my question...i've configured mythtv backserver but i can't able to scan channel? how can i test if my config is currently working?

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sebrock:

in generall is AMD X2 or Core 2 Duo prefered? Hotness?

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sebrock:

*heat lol

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directhex|work:

sebrock, core2 is a much more capable cpu

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Der_Thomas:

hi all, I have a question about improving livetv video quality

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bendailey:

sjkwizard: can you run $mythtv-setup -v all > mythtvsetup.log 2> mythtvsetup.err

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Der_Thomas:

I have poor quality typically while watching fast moving video like sports, the worst is the "crawl" text at the bottom of the screen usually showing other sports scores

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bendailey:

what is your video source? what capture device?

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sjkwizard:

bendailey: a moment

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Der_Thomas:

anyone know if changing the recording profile "live TV" will affect this, and if so, what should I change in it?

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bendailey:

sjkwizard: ok

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bendailey:

Der_Thomas: what is your video source? what capture device?

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sebrock:

direxthex damn I was hoping AMD...

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Der_Thomas:

bendailey I'm using a PVR-150 on a BE and a EPIA-M board based FE

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sjkwizard:

bendailey: i run your command but i don't find error

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sjkwizard:

i use an analog tv tuner...

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bendailey:

what happens when you scan for channels?

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directhex|work:

sebrock, on paper, it's twice as fast & a little more energy efficient

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sjkwizard:

it scans but no channel was found

[12:43:19]

otwin:

Der_Thomas: try enabling bob deinterlacing on the FE

[12:43:38]

sjkwizard:

i set "mpeg-2 encoder card" is it right?

[12:43:41]

bendailey:

Der_Thomas: what is the network connectivity between BE/FE ?

[12:45:03]

rooaus:

sebrock: Interesting article here: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/09/27/what_i . . . ooler_fails/ kinda relevant

[12:45:35]

sebrock:

directhex|work, well I only need it for my frontend, and should be capable of decoding 1080p h.264

[12:45:40]

Der_Thomas:

bandailey, where is the deinterlacing? Also, it is a 10bT ethernet. I have kind of ruled this out since I had the same problem with an nvidia card as output on the BE

[12:46:11]

sebrock:

And I cant find any 775 mobos that has the other features I need, I only find AMD AM2 mobos....

[12:46:15]

directhex|work:

sebrock, given that's phenomenally CPU intensive, you want the best CPU you can afford

[12:46:19]

Der_Thomas:

bendailey, that is I've ruled out the network being the limiting factor

[12:48:23]

sebrock:

directhex so what am I looking at here? There are some AMD X2 4000+ 65nm, these should work right?

[12:48:54]

rooaus:

sebrock: If you are looking to buy hardware I would keep an eye on the ffmpeg sync thread in the mailing list, people have been posting results using janneg's recent patches.

[12:49:16]

sebrock:

a quick conclusion on that?

[12:49:26]

sjkwizard:

"mpeg-2 encoder card" is the right choice for an anolog card?

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otwin:

Der_Thomas: setup->tv-setup->playback

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Der_Thomas:

bendailey, I've notied that my recording profiles set me card to 480x480, but my output is 848x480, do you know if I should set the card to capture at this size so there is no resizing?

[12:50:37]

rooaus:

that includes threaded h264 decode, if it was me I would buy a core 2 duo. That article had some interesting analysis for the different CPUs tested.

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bendailey:

sjkwizard: what brand/model of card?

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sjkwizard:

pinnacle pctv stereo chipset saa7..

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bendailey:

Der_Thomas: scaling shouldn't have that kind of effect i wouldn't think

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bendailey:

Der_Thomas: have you tried otwin suggestions?

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sjkwizard:

Stopping MythTV server: mythbackend No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.

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bendailey:

sjkwizard: I believe that is a V4L device

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sjkwizard:

ok

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sjkwizard:

Stopping Mythtv server.....mean that i can't kill the process??

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bendailey:

sjkwizard: you should not start or stop mythbackend before running mythtv-setup

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sjkwizard:

ok

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bendailey:

sjkwizard: no that means it wasn't running

[12:57:20]

sjkwizard:

but if i want to test my card with tvtime i have to stop the backserver?

[12:58:02]

bendailey:

sjkwizard: yes to test with tvtime you will probably need to stop the backend server

[12:58:16]

bendailey:

sjkwizard: but it doesn't appear to be running

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bendailey:

sjkwizard: ps ax | grep myth

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sjkwizard:

ok it's not running

[12:59:45]

sjkwizard:

but if i set mpeg2 instead of v4l...the server don't work,right?

[12:59:52]

sjkwizard:

now i try to set v4l

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sjkwizard:

it don't work...

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sjkwizard:

my card is recognized as terratec 600

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bendailey:

sjkwizard: does the card work with tvtime?

[13:01:50]

bendailey:

sjkwizard: are you in the US?

[13:01:58]

sjkwizard:

no in italy

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til:

hello all

[13:02:21]

sjkwizard:

i try with tvtime but it don't work "source not avabile"

[13:02:29]

sjkwizard:

but under windows the card works

[13:02:31]

til:

can i configure the backend or better the ietscanner to only scan visible channels?

[13:02:43]

Der_Thomas:

otwin & bendailey, I tried the deinterlacing and it didn't help. The 'help text' that shows when you are on that setting says that it is for "makeing video look normal on a progressive display 'ie monitor". I've using a TV so I'm not sure this applies

[13:03:19]

Der_Thomas:

otwin, when I enabled this it shot my fe from ~50%cpu usage to >85%!!

[13:03:28]

bendailey:

sjkwizard: can you give me the relevant info from lspci -v

[13:04:14]

Der_Thomas:

otwin & bendailey, I've uped my bitrate from 3800 (i think that was the start point) to 6000 and that seems to have helped

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sjkwizard:

can i pastebin the result somewhere?

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bendailey:

Der_Thomas: does the sports scroller look good on a recording?

[13:05:36]

otwin:

Der_Thomas: do you have xvmc enabled on your epia FE?

[13:05:36]

sjkwizard:

from lspci i found "Capabilities: <access denied>". what mean?

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bendailey:

sjkwizard: yeah go ahead and but them on pastebin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/

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til:

anyone knows how to configure the EITScanner?

[13:07:02]

sjkwizard:

http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40699/

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otwin:

Der_Thomas: on my M10000 i have bob and xvmc enabled and playback is ok – don't know my livetv profile settings

[13:08:03]

bendailey:

til: there are some flags in the database that apply to the EIT scanning

[13:08:36]

bendailey:

til: I don't recall of the top of my head let me check ML archives give me a few and I will try and come back with an answer

[13:09:50]

rooaus:

til: I believe you have to have scanned your channels and not just imported a channels.conf to get the EIT setup correctly.

[13:10:22]

bendailey:

sjkwizard: lsmod | grep saa

[13:10:34]

Der_Thomas:

otwin: looks about the same on live tv and recorded

[13:11:11]

sjkwizard:

the module is running

[13:11:38]

afxlex:

how do you determine what version nvidia driver you are running?

[13:12:20]

Der_Thomas:

otwin, OK two dumb questions 1st (really dumb) I bought my EPIA about a year ago and just finally got the time to play with it. is there a quick way to tell the model number? 2. How can I tell if XvMC is enabled? I didn't expleciately compile it into myth but is it done by default?

[13:12:46]

til:

i have scanned the programs via mythtv-setup

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sjkwizard:

but capabilities < access denied> what means? i cant have access to the peripheral?

[13:12:53]

til:

i have about 400 schannels in the db

[13:13:07]

til:

but only made ~40 visible

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til:

so i only need program information for this few channels

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otwin:

Der_Thomas: on the same screen look for 'preferred mpeg2 decoder'

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bendailey:

afxlex: try # dmesg | grep -i nvidia

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rooaus:

afxlex: My Xorg.log shows the nvidia module version.

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afxlex:

mine didnt.. checking again

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afxlex:

thanks.. grepped without the -i

[13:16:07]

bendailey:

sjkwizard: even if you are not running gentoo look through this doc and let me know if it is any help: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_saa7134

[13:16:14]

sjkwizard:

bendailey: some time ago i have edited a file setting the tuner and model of my card...i don't remember what file...maybe is this the problem?

[13:16:40]

bendailey:

sjkwizard: nevermind run setup and set a DVB card

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otwin:

Der_Thomas: use via_xvmc – if that doesn't work then you should read one of the mythtv/epia howtos, i don't know the details since minimyth sets up everything for me – probably minimyth the best solution for you too: http://linpvr.org

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sjkwizard:

bendailey:mythtv-setup?

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Der_Thomas:

otwin, OK I've got Standard (this is where it is set) and libmpeg, but no option for XvMC. Maybe I need to re-compile myth

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bendailey:

sjkwizard: yes mythtv-setup delete the card and then re add it as a DVB Card

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Hoxzer_:

hmm, is there anything I know if I'm about to run 2xmythfrontend and one backend on same computer ?

[13:20:28]

Hoxzer_:

mythfrontends have seperate settings

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Hoxzer_:

Seems like frontend2 doesn't get connection to the mythbackend eventhough it has been configured exacly the same as mythfrontend1 (copied databases). They are also run by same user

[13:22:04]

Hoxzer_:

only difference that there is between frontend1 and frontend2 is different screeens and MYTHCONFDIR variable

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slaine_:

Is the XvMC wiki entry upto date ? I've reinstalled my Via CLE266 with a new larger HDD and have XvMC working, but with a b&w OSD

[13:24:00]

slaine_:

Installed with Mythdora4

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otwin:

Der_Thomas: yes, there are configure flags for xvmc – but again: throw away your hd in your FE and netboot minimyth. it's easier and much cooler...

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Der_Thomas:

otwin, I actually tried this in the past, but didn't have enough time to give it a real go. Maybe now I could get it to run right

[13:26:15]

Der_Thomas:

otwin: This is minimyth I'm talking about BTW

[13:26:21]

Hoxzer_:

http://pastebin.ca/737463

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Der_Thomas:

otwin, I'll try to re-compile and see what happens

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otwin:

Der_Thomas: docs on minimyth are much better now

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otwin:

slaine_: did you do the osd hack described in the wiki?

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slaine_:

No, I'll try later, just wanted to verify that it was still valid information

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dr_lulz:

morning

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sjkwizard:

bendailey:i've installed a pctv stereo but my system recognize a terratec 600? what that mean?

[13:29:37]

sjkwizard:

i think that i have too set the correct tuner and card number in some config file...

[13:31:31]

bendailey:

sjkwizard: you should need to set it in a config file just in the mytv-setup

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bendailey:

Add the card then try changing the Card number 1 and see if you get any info if not change it back to 0 and see if that fixes the problem.

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bendailey:

til: can you get access to the raw mysql tables in mythconverg?

[13:39:48]

til:

bendailey: of course

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sjkwizard:

i try with dvb card option...but it don't recognize the card i change the card number...but nothing happen...

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bendailey:

til: great what does this query give you? SELECT * FROM dtv_muliplex WHERE visible=1;

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til:

bendailey: in the meanwhile i searched the archives by myself

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bendailey:

sjkwizard: ls -l /dev/dvb/

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til:

bendailey: this should be my solution or?

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til:

bendailey: update channel set useonairguide='0' where is visible='0'

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bendailey:

til: yep that update query is the one I was thinking of

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** bendailey applauds til's searching skills **

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til:

;)

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til:

btw correct query is: UPDATE channel SET useonairguide = '0' WHERE visible = '0'

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bendailey:

sjkwizard: what was the output from ls -l /dev/dvb/ ?

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FreshPrince:

hi@all

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FreshPrince:

whats the different bitween mythtv and freevo?

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directhex|work:

one of them is mythtv, one of them is freevo?

[13:59:55]

Diabolic:

:)

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Der_Thomas:

well being that we are on the myth channel myth is the best!!

[14:00:24]

SiD3WiNDR:

is it? :p

[14:00:29]

Der_Thomas:

seriously, I've used both and myth just seems MUCH more polished to me

[14:00:48]

directhex|work:

myth's c++, freevo is python

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directhex|work:

myth is a pvr, freevo is a file browser

[14:01:00]

FreshPrince:

which one is better to use?

[14:01:01]

FreshPrince:

:P

[14:01:17]

FreshPrince:

i think i should give it a try with mythtv :)

[14:01:22]

Der_Thomas:

Freevo didn't (still?) have live tv in its channel guide

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directhex|work:

if you want a file browser, use freevo. if you want a pvr, use mythtv

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Der_Thomas:

that is what did it for me

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FreshPrince:

ok i'm installing mythtv

[14:01:54]

Der_Thomas:

directhex|work: how do you mena freevo is a file browser?

[14:02:40]

directhex|work:

Der_Thomas, freevo lets you look through your media files, but that's about it. it has some basic knowledge of tv cards, but it can't do basic pvr things like pausing live tv

[14:03:04]

directhex|work:

it's pretty much a launcher for xine

[14:03:43]

Der_Thomas:

directhex|work: I think that it can. It's been about a year since I tried it out, but I think that it did do pause, RW etc of video and scheduel recordings

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directhex|work:

Der_Thomas, that's recent then

[14:04:17]

Der_Thomas:

directhex|work, maybe I've just forgotten

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Der_Thomas:

:~)

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sjkwizard:

how can i run manually the master backend?

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directhex|work:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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directhex|work:

typicalluy

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UnixDog:

ok anyone having issues with the weather page not saving data and working ?

[14:26:50]

Der_Thomas:

UnixDog, yeah this has been broken for awhile

[14:27:02]

UnixDog:

ok

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Rainman:

Can someone tell me the name of the website where i create and download lirc files

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UnixDog:

there is not ite to create them

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UnixDog:

what remote do you have

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Der_Thomas:

UnixDog, it is actually disabled by default in the latest release

[14:28:31]

UnixDog:

ok

[14:28:40]

Der_Thomas:

Here is a link to help (MAYBE) get it going if you really want to use it

[14:28:44]

Der_Thomas:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_my . . . trunk_mythtv

[14:28:46]

Rainman:

there is, i used it and saved a file their but reloaded ubuntu and lost my bookmark

[14:28:47]

UnixDog:

well I have mythdora installed

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Rainman:

ati_usb

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Der_Thomas:

is mythdora Myth version 0.20.2?

[14:30:25]

Rainman:

i will find the site and post the link, its very handy for custom lircrc files

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UnixDog:

I believe so

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Der_Thomas:

UnixDog, interesting that they would setup MythWeather when it does not work w/o lots of hacking

[14:33:02]

UnixDog:

its installed

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UnixDog:

not setup

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UnixDog:

its in knoppmyth also

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gbee:

hmm, really shouldn't be

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gbee:

although I think Cecil might have applied some temporary fixes to the version in knoppmyth

[14:34:47]

Kazan:

why isn't mythweather using the XML communications with nws.noaa.gov?

[14:34:51]

UnixDog:

well I have mythdora installed to figure out the remote stuff

[14:35:12]

UnixDog:

good question when you figure it out fix it

[14:35:15]

UnixDog:

lol

[14:35:40]

UnixDog:

since the remore stuff does not work for me in knoppmyth

[14:35:44]

Kazan:

http://www.weather.gov/data/current_obs/

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UnixDog:

I have to figure out what mythdora is doing

[14:35:59]

Kazan:

http://www.weather.gov/xml/

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gbee:

not sure I like that people are trying to use -revamp with -fixes, for a start all the -revamp bugs and changes that have been made in trunk are missing from the old branch

[14:36:30]

gbee:

Kazan: it IS in trunk

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Kazan:

ah

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Kazan:

lemme see if it functions.. i'm using trunk

[14:36:52]

UnixDog:

bleeeh it uses soap

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Kazan:

"no screens defined"...

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gbee:

which is just one reason why we ditched support for the old mythweather instead of fixing it (dubious legality of using weather.com and MSNBC)

[14:37:40]

Kazan:

can't use static map?

[14:37:49]

Kazan:

screen cannot be used, not all required data is supplied by existing sources?

[14:38:15]

gbee:

Kazan: no idea, I use the BBC source which doesn't support the static map screen either

[14:38:17]

FreshPrince:

i can't set a mysql pw.. why that? -> /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed

[14:38:18]

FreshPrince:

error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'

[14:38:20]

Kazan:

what would be AWESOME is if we could get mythweather to monitor for current severe weather.. and then overlay on whatever we're watching

[14:38:27]

Rainman:

<UnixDog check this out http://lircconfig.commandir.com/

[14:38:34]

Kazan:

animated and severe don't work

[14:38:54]

Kazan:

ok.. when i try to finish i get some popup window taller than my display

[14:39:07]

Kazan:

lists what appears to be a bunch of variables

[14:39:19]

gbee:

I still wouldn't describe mythweather in trunk as ready for public use, there is still plenty of work to be done on them, although mostly it does work it just isn't too easy to configure and the -wide template is a mess

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Kazan:

ok... standard /usr prefix.. where in /usr is myth hiding

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Kazan:

found it

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Der_Thomas:

can someone please remind me how to get myth to use lirc directly instead of using irxevent?

[14:43:11]

UnixDog:

ok what is the line to put in the mythtv gui to make mplayer the default dvd player

[14:43:24]

UnixDog:

it seems xine is not working either

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UnixDog:

I put a dvd in and choose play dvd and I get a blank screen then it comes back to the menu

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Mr_Grieves:

Is anyone else having a protocol mismatch between mythweb and mythbackend on the latest svn?

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dr_lulz:

willsee, just compiling *g*

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gbee:

UnixDog: put in: Internal

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gbee:

capital I

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UnixDog:

?

[14:49:19]

** UnixDog chases his tail ... **

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UnixDog:

lol

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UnixDog:

going in circle this am

[14:49:55]

Der_Thomas:

UnixDog, he is talking about the FileTypes menu.

[14:50:06]

Der_Thomas:

You can change what happend to DVDs there

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Mr_Grieves:

dr_lulz: ok. I'm doing the same...right after asking I noticed that the revisions weren't the same for my mythplugins and mythtv, however mythtv was an older revision and the protocol error showed a newer pro

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gbee:

using xine or mplayer as a DVD player in mythtv is deprecated

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Mr_Grieves:

tocol.

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Mr_Grieves:

If that made no sense what so ever, it is very early here :P

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UnixDog:

ok but dvd's are not playing

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UnixDog:

this is the issue

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gbee:

Der_Thomas: FileTypes menu only applies in mythvideo, if you want to play ISOs with mythtv then yes, that is the right place – otherwise mythdvd has it's own settings

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UnixDog:

I tried all night to play dvd's

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RaYmAn-Bx:

UnixDog: a good start is to get it working entirely outside of mythtv first..

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RaYmAn-Bx:

i.e. from commandline

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gbee:

UnixDog: do you have libdvdcss installed?

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UnixDog:

not sure

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UnixDog:

I installed mythdora

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gbee:

can't play encrypted DVDs without it and most distros don't install it by default since it's of questionable legality

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UnixDog:

how do I find out

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UnixDog:

whats the command to install it

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RaYmAn-Bx:

if it's a new dvd drive you will have probems as well, since the region wont be set in the drive

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gbee:

/usr/lib/libdvdcss.so or /usr/lib64/libdvdcss.so ?

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Dagmar:

I don't really see that as a _problem_

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UnixDog:

ok botting the box back up now

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anykey_:

I don't know if any oss software cares about the region code?!

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Dagmar:

My optical drive clearly sneers at region codes

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UnixDog:

ok if needed where do I grab this lib

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gbee:

UnixDog: look at the logs when mythfrontend tries to play a DVD – should provide some clues

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RaYmAn-Bx:

well, at least in my experience, if you haven't set the region code in the drive (or use a non-region firmware), it will refuse to read any dvds

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Rainman:

gbee what package is libdvdcss in

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RaYmAn-Bx:

(any dvds with region protection that is)

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Der_Thomas:

UnixDog, Google my friend – people arn't going to tlak about that here

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Rainman:

i have same problem and it is missing

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Rainman:

ok

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Rainman:

sorry

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gbee:

libdvdcss (lib64dvdcss) – I don't use Fedora though

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UnixDog:

libdvdcss.so is there

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UnixDog:

hmmm

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** UnixDog hopes they fix it soon ot play all dvd's **

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directhex|work:

UnixDog, playing dvds is fine with libdvdcss – the problem is nobody can legally give it to you

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anykey_:

directhex|work: it's not that the whole world uses the DCMA..

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directhex|work:

anykey_, but most places have similar rules regarding breaking encryption.

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directhex|work:

anykey_, oh, who am i kidding? most places just have laws against making big companies sad, let's not pretend otherwise

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anykey_:

directhex|work: well, _most_ places ;)

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Mr_Grieves:

Ok, I just ensured that mythweb and mythbackend come from the same revision, and I'm getting mythweb protocol=35 and mythbackend=36. Do I file a bug report?

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GreyFoxx:

Did you install from source ?

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Mr_Grieves:

GreyFoxx: SVN

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GreyFoxx:

-fixes I assume ?

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GreyFoxx:

or trunk ?

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Mr_Grieves:

trunk

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GreyFoxx:

define('MYTH_PROTO_VERSION', 36);

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GreyFoxx:

That;'s in mythweb from latest trunk

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GreyFoxx:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . hbackend.php

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** Mr_Grieves sighs **

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GreyFoxx:

That file hasn't been touched in over a month

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Mr_Grieves:

probably some leftover from the binary installation that apt didn't catch

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GreyFoxx:

so you must have something stale in there

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Mr_Grieves:

god I hate ubuntu...

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GreyFoxx:

ahh

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Mr_Grieves:

:)

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directhex|work:

there are weekly ubuntu packages for svn

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Mr_Grieves:

directhex|work: I'm just a glutton for punishment :)

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UnixDog:

where does it put the front end log

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Yahooadam:

/var/log

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UnixDog:

I find a backend log but no front end log

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fryfrog:

UnixDog: where ever you tell it too

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fryfrog:

"mythfrontend -v important -l /var/log/mythtv/frontend.log" for example

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fryfrog:

if you use the -v but don't put -l, the "log" is simply on the terminal you lauch frontend from

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UnixDog:

this is mythdora it starts auto

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fryfrog:

UnixDog: figure out what starts it?

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UnixDog:

looking

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UnixDog:

bbiab

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dgoodlad:

anyone here using ati's TexturedVideo to display HD? I can get mplayer to decode and play my hd recordings without a single frame dropping, but mythtv doesn't even get 1 fps

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dgoodlad:

I'm at a loss now, I've tried every output available in myth

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GreyFoxx:

I didn't think texturedvideo was supported under Linux yet

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dgoodlad:

GreyFoxx: afaik it was added in the 8.38.x driver

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

which the driver basically makes it appear as Xvideo surfaces ?

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dgoodlad:

anyway, it is there, and it definitely works (minimal cpu usage by mplayer decoding a 720p mpeg2 recording)

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dgoodlad:

right

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dgoodlad:

if I do an xvinfo it reports it as 'ATI AVIVO Xvideo Surface' (or something along those lines, with AVIVO in there)

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GreyFoxx:

if it appears as standard xv then it should "work" without any special config. Or at least I would assume so

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dgoodlad:

yeah I'd assume the same thing, but it doesn't; if I tune to a HD channel in myth it renders one frame then sits at 100% cpu trying to render the next one

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GreyFoxx:

now if it's got some special extentions for hardware assisted decoding then it would need to either use standard xvmc or something custom would have to be added to myth to use any decoding

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dgoodlad:

afaik there's nothing special required to use it other than Xv; like I said, mplayer's standard xv video output device works great for the same mpeg2 files as myth is trying to play

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GreyFoxx:

I'd say submit a bug report to track

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dgoodlad:

ok will do

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dgoodlad:

I just thought I'd raise the question outside of trac before reporting it as a bug

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GreyFoxx:

unfortunately very few of us have ATI cards to even try it

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dgoodlad:

yeah I wish I didn't, but I bought this one quite awhile ago specifically for my htpc because it had HDMI out with digital audio

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GreyFoxx:

nice, not many with hdmi+audio out

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dgoodlad:

exactly, so I made the sacrifice and went with ATI

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dgoodlad:

then couldn't use it until the 8.40 drivers came out (almost a year!) because it would just crash X

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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dgoodlad:

if all else fails I'll go back to the onboard nvidia graphics, but I'd much rather have hdmi going

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UnixDog:

your all fired

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UnixDog:

turn in your laptops and your badges

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UnixDog:

you can keep the cellphones as they will be turned off

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Diabolic:

ok?

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tyce:

can some one tell me the minimum system requirements to have flawlessly smooth HD playback with the on screen display working?

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Dagmar:

A four million jiggahertz processor

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tyce:

:)

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tyce:

Im starting to believe it

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xris:

tyce: make sure you have "extra audio buffering" turned on

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gbee:

tyce: is it a multi-core processor? requirements should drop for some HD sources after the next ffmpeg re-sync in trunk

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tyce:

that's good news

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afxlex:

how do i supress a LILO boot menu

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gbee:

if you aren't already running trunk, chances are there have been other improvements already that might make playback possible on your system

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masonsjax:

afxlex: suppress it? you can set the timeout to 1 or something, then you dont have to wait for it to boot the default kernel.

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tyce:

gbee: HD playback itself works, it's just when you obring up the menu or skip back/forwards that it all goes to crap

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fryfrog:

tyce: are you talking about your own recorded HD or playback of say, a 720p mkv?

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sphery:

bewllder: http://server:6544/Myth/GetPreviewImage

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/13022

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bsdfox:

anyone had problems with seemingly random pauses in playback which lead to disconnections? it's really annoying.. happens any time between 5 mins and 2 hours. doesn't seem to be associated with running any jobs/recording.. watching livetv I get disconnected at H:22, starts back up at H:30 then disconnects again at H:52 and starts back up at H:00

[18:17:08]

bewllder:

Sphery, I thought that was in svn only, and not 20.2? I tried it earlier and got a "401Invalid Action"

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marenz:

what are your hardware recommendations for a analog tv capture card? i wanted to buy a hauppauge pvr 350 but i want to watch only on my computer monitor because i have no tv. this site from the wiki tells me that the card "Doesn't do Normal X output at decent speed/quality." so what do you recommend?

[18:17:34]

sphery:

bewllder: The entire UPnP stack got replaced for 0.20.2 with the version from trunk, so all the MythXML methods now use the Myth prefix.

[18:17:43]

bewllder:

Sphery, sorry, my fault, I wasnt capitalising the initial G

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bsdfox:

I've been fighting this problem for a month.. I've literally swapped out every piece of hardware in the machine (cpu/mobo/network/video/psu/ram/capture cards). I've tried amd64 and x86 distros for the backend.. nothing seems to fix it

[18:18:57]

xand:

maybe the tv signal is lost?

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bewllder:

Sphery, thanks for the help (and patients!)

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bsdfox:

it happens on recorded video too. and when it happens I can't ping the backend machine (but I know it's still working cause I can watch video and it still records when this happens)

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sphery:

bewllder: You're welcome. Note, also, that devs do hang out in #mythtv-users, so this is always the best place to ask questions (sometimes even code-related questions for proposed patches, etc. :).

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bsdfox:

it's like the network stops working for ~30 seconds at a time randomly

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bsdfox:

tried different switch/cables too

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bsdfox:

I'm starting to think it's a myth setting or bug

[18:20:34]

xand:

why would that cause pinging to fail?

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bewllder:

Sphery, duly noted, and I understand that APIs are also a fuzzy area for dev/user clarity

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sphery:

bsdfox: does this also occur in (non-LiveTV) recordings?

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xand:

did you check dmesg and /var/log/messages etc?

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bsdfox:

sphery: yes, but not at those specified intervals, it seems to just happen randomly. it's gotten MUCH better since I moved from amd64 to x86 but still isn't gone

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bsdfox:

xand: yes, nothing

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bsdfox:

2007-10–10 20:22:59.603 MythSocket(843410:23): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick).

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bsdfox:

2007-10–10 20:22:59.604 RemoteFile::Read(): No response from control socket.

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Der_Thomas:

marenz: buy a 150 or a 250 then

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bsdfox:

I get that every time it happens

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sphery:

bewllder: Yep. Basically, here, we take the approach that "using" anything is -users material (even using the API's). Changing the API's is -dev related. :)

[18:22:22]

bsdfox:

marenz: just use a normal video card?

[18:22:40]

sphery:

bsdfox: combined frontend/backend or remote frontend?

[18:23:11]

bsdfox:

sphery: happens on 3 remote frontends all at the same time (so I know it's a backend problem), and the backend doesn't run a frontend.. doesn't even run X

[18:24:17]

sphery:

bsdfox: sounds like a network issue (network, master backend NIC or cable, DHCP leases, unreliable wifi, ...)

[18:24:44]

bsdfox:

it's not :\ I replaced everything network related

[18:24:59]

sphery:

Unless the backend is actually crashing before it returns a response (which would be a compile/build/configuration issue or a bug in mythbackend).

[18:25:04]

bsdfox:

and it happens on the dot at H:22 and H:52 with livetv

[18:25:10]

bsdfox:

the backend doesn't crash

[18:25:17]

bsdfox:

it's a BS problem and I can't figure it out

[18:25:25]

marenz:

Der_Thomas, bsdfox i wanted to buy the pvr 350 because of the mpeg 2 encoder, i don't really understand what "Doesn't do Normal X output at decent speed/quality." from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-350 means, does it even matter if i have my other graphics card (nvidia mx foobar) installed that can do the output to X ? sorry but i have no experience because i havent used mythtv yet

[18:25:31]

sphery:

How is your network structured? Static IP's?

[18:25:55]

sphery:

marenz: PVR-150 has an MPEG-2 encoder. The 350 has a (useless) MPEG-2 decoder.

[18:25:58]

bsdfox:

marenz: pvr150/250/500 all have mpeg2 encoder. the 350 just has tvout which you don't want

[18:26:11]

bsdfox:

sphery: yeah static IPs

[18:26:53]

sphery:

marenz: I have a 350, but I used its decoder for only about 2 weeks before I decided it was a complete waste of the $100 extra I spent (over the cost of a PVR-250--the (better-than-a-250) PVR-150 wasn't yet out).

[18:27:04]

Der_Thomas:

marenz: do you mean decoder? the decoder only works on the output on the card. thats why it doesn't work like regualr X

[18:27:33]

GreyFoxx:

laga: That broken i420 hack is gone now, fyi :)

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Der_Thomas:

anyone here ever successfully compile the patched mplayer with XvMC?

[18:28:07]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: meaning no longer necessary, right?

[18:28:11]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[18:28:27]

GreyFoxx:

we've changed our default to one that is known to work with just about everything

[18:28:41]

GreyFoxx:

so problem wont be encountered anymore

[18:29:20]

sphery:

Yeah. It will be nice that we'll be using the same video format that xine/MPlayer do since users seem to think they can say Myth is broken if xine/Mplayer work...

[18:29:21]

marenz:

all i want to do is start x, start mythtv, goto couch, watch tv, be able to use remote that comes with the card and all at decent speed :-)

[18:30:16]

bsdfox:

sphery: I've even hooked my backend to my frontend with a crossover cable while both have gigE but it still would drop the connections sometimes

[18:30:35]

bsdfox:

it's really annoying

[18:30:47]

sphery:

marenz: Unless you have (what, IMHO, would be a severely) underpowered CPU for Myth, that won't be an issue. Standard def MPEG-2 decoding is nothing for a modern processor.

[18:30:49]

GreyFoxx:

bsdfox: Try turning off autonegotiation

[18:31:06]

bsdfox:

GreyFoxx: hmm on the NICs?

[18:31:06]

GreyFoxx:

I've had that problem on gige cards that were NIC to nic and not NIC to Switch

[18:31:08]

GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

turned off autoneg and the problem vanished

[18:31:20]

sphery:

marenz: (Modern = within the last 4+ years)

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bsdfox:

GreyFoxx: ok, but I also have problems with nic->switch

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bewllder:

Sphery, just thinking about that issue I've just had, how come /getPreviewImage still worked, rather than issuing a 401 ?

[18:31:41]

GreyFoxx:

bsdfox: try it anyway, hardcode it on the switch (if possible) and hardcode the nic's

[18:31:49]

GreyFoxx:

ethtool is your friend

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bewllder:

I guess it's part of the general looseness of the XML backend, at least in terms of arg checking

[18:33:47]

bsdfox:

cool, I'll try it out. never used ethtool before :)

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marenz:

great so i think i'll buy the pvr 350 because it comes with a remote included and seems to be properly supported by ivtv and mythtv ... thank you all so far

[18:34:08]

bsdfox:

marenz: don't get a 350

[18:34:17]

bsdfox:

get a 150 dude

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marenz:

bsdfox then i'll have to buy a separate femote control

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marenz:

remote^

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bsdfox:

you can get 150s with remotes. building your own IR receiver is easy too then you can use whatever remote you want

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GreyFoxx:

one thing I've also found is (an I know this sounds weird) is just do an "ifconfig up" and everything stablied

[18:37:03]

sphery:

marenz: the 350 is a waste of money (and there are no devs who use it, so support for it is really falling behind)

[18:38:32]

sphery:

bsdfox: "ethtool -s eth0 wol g" is a wonderful thing :)

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marenz:

so you say pvr 150, but then what remote + ir-receiver? i don't want to build my own receiver :-)

[18:38:39]

bsdfox:

GreyFoxx: have you heard of similar problems to mine? I'm running gentoo.. I can ping the machine with mythbackend stopped and not lose a single packet, can transfer mythtv videos over samba or nfs just fine.. but using the backend/frontend I always get drops. it got 300% better switching from amd64 to x86 but it's still broken

[18:38:57]

bsdfox:

bleh most my systems at < 50W

[18:39:23]

sphery:

bewllder: I'm looking at the MythXML code, now. It seems the UPnP server doesn't properly return a 404 (or, in fact, any response at all) for that query.

[18:40:04]

bewllder:

Ah I see. Yeah I noticed quite a lot had changed in that file in svn HEAD

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sphery:

bsdfox: Yeah. I run my Myth boxes (plus a few others) 24/7, but with WOL, I can power off and restart without having to walk into the room with the machine. :)

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bsdfox:

ooh that's intriguing, cause I keep my fileserver and my mythbackend in my dirt-floor basement under the house :D

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bsdfox:

now I just need to find some wol cables

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sphery:

marenz: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116633 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116620 are PVR-150's without remotes.

[18:42:42]

sphery:

marenz: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116625 is one with a remote

[18:43:07]

sphery:

marenz: Just make sure you buy 1 with a remote per combined frontend/backend

[18:43:42]

sphery:

marenz: You can get (cheaper) ones without a remote for "additional" capture cards on the same combined frontend/backend.

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sphery:

marenz: Note, also, that if you have a remote frontend (not on the same machine as the backend), having a remote control on the capture card on a dedicated backend (one that has no frontend) is completely useless.

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sphery:

bsdfox: If using a NIC that's integrated on the motherboard, you probably don't need WOL cables. Note, though, that skge/sky2 (replaced sk98lin, IIR the old module name correctly) don't support WOL, yet (neither did the deprecated module)--just mentioning because it's used in a lot of NVIDIA-based MB's.

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marenz:

sphery, thank you very much, i'll look for a pvr 150 with remote control here in germany, and i'm not planning to build up several frontends ... just for my desktop pc

[18:47:57]

sphery:

marenz: Cool. If it's running the frontend and backend, getting a PVR-150 with a remote will work well.

[18:48:31]

sphery:

And, though it used to be simple (MCE models had a remote, non-MCE models didn't), Hauppauge's new naming/model number scheme makes things much more challenging.

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bsdfox:

hmm I think most mine are forcedeth or 3com

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sphery:

marenz: Some come with a USB-based remote that might actually be useful on a remote frontend, so you might want to look for one like that.

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sphery:

bsdfox: forcedeth works and all of my 3com ones work.

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sphery:

bewllder: I'm actually getting a 404 when I use wget, but when I use firefox, I get nothing...

[18:54:25]

bewllder:

Ah, some kind of request header parsing issue?

[18:54:29]

sphery:

bewllder: The MythXML class will terminate the connection in a /very/ short time, so it's possible that Firefox is not sending the request in time.

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sphery:

what were you using when you failed to get the 404?

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bewllder:

so the time between opening the socket, and bothering to send anything? I was using safari, but I can try wget

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sphery:

Actually, the time between opening the socket and /completing/ the request is small

[18:55:43]

sphery:

If you've partially sent the request, it will close it an ignore the request (meaning the client receives no response).

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bewllder:

Yes you're right, with curl and wget, I get 404 headers

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bewllder:

and I guess with browsers, we just get zero length responses

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sphery:

bewllder: seems to be using a 1s timeout--so you get 1 second to send the complete request.

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bewllder:

thats reasonable (even for Firefox. ho ho ho )

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sphery:

bewllder: Actually, no response at all (not even headers or status line) because the browser seems to take too long to send the request.

[18:59:27]

bewllder:

yeah, so a complete lack of response, which is interpreted by Safari as a blank page

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bewllder:

hmm, I would have thought 1s is fine

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sphery:

right (or, basically, Safari/Firefox have nothing to display, so they display exactly that ;)

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sphery:

Yeah. Makes me wonder why the browser takes so much time to send...

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bsdfox:

hmm I get tons of prebuffer pauses with autoneg off :\

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bsdfox:

yeah, turning it on fixes it.. that's odd

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masonsjax:

should i have any problems moving from svn fixes to trunk?

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bewllder:

yeah I guess that's an odd case. Socket connection accepted, request notionally accepted (due to lack of extensive handshaking) and then no response. I can't believe it's falling outside the 1s threshold though

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marenz:

great found one pvr 150 + remote at amazon.de, the pvr 150 is sold out in all other shops :-) so thank you all again for your help

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tyce:

fryfrog: my own recorded (OTA) HD

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sphery:

masonsjax: No problems if you read the last 18months of -dev and -commits lists (to catch up on changes since 0.20-fixes).

[19:05:17]

sphery:

masonsjax: If you just want a working PVR, you're much better off sticking with -fixes.

[19:06:44]

sphery:

bewllder: I'm getting a (lack of) response back in less than 1s, so I'm now thinking it might be related to the HTTP/1.0-ness of Myth's HTTP server...

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fryfrog:

tyce: I do okay with OTA HD (in the US) with an amd64 3200+ and an nvidia 6100 pci-e card. I'd prolly be okay with a 5200 series too. I use a Ti4200 series in my other system, with a pair of dual xeon 2.4ghz (old cpus) and they just *barely* do HD

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fryfrog:

If I were building one now, I think one of the cheapest AMD X3 or Intel Core 2 Duo is what I'd look at.

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fryfrog:

That 3200+ system can play back downloaded 720p x264 content, but if i pause/rw/ff, it chokes and stops working.

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bewllder:

Sphery, what implements HTTPRequest ?

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sphery:

look at libs/libmyth/httpcomms.{h,cpp}

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sphery:

I tried setting FF to use HTTP/1.0, but it still gets nothing...

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bewllder:

yikes, the httpcomms class references PHPSESSID...yuck

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sphery:

probably for some MythWeb support

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bewllder:

yeah, and part of the reason I was originally asking about GetPreviewImage was that I have a partial web interface based in Ruby on Rails

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sphery:

bewllder: Not being judgemental, but why a new RoR implementation?

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bewllder:

well I've done a lot of recent work with RoR, so am very comfortable with it as a prototyping tool

[19:15:08]

bewllder:

I even wrote a DVB subtitle decoder in pure ruby, but it was slow as hell. All part of my playing with the language

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sphery:

bewllder: Just wondering. I was curious if there was something you felt MythWeb was lacking that caused you to start over.

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bewllder:

Ah well I'm not trying to replace mythweb, although I do find it a bit of a pain when reading the source. I'm actually writing it as a ready source for mpeg recordings for a video encoder on my nintendo DS

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bewllder:

but thats another story

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bewllder:

(sorry, not encoding ON the nintendo DS, but encoded for playback it)

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sphery:

bewllder: cool

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bewllder:

yeah my brother's written a wavelet video codec system which works on the DS. We're working towards an open source release

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degreseven:

does anyone know why i would get the error: "cc1plus: out of memory allocating 9586240 bytes after a total of 45129728 bytes" while compiling svn mythtv? Not sure if it matters, but I am using a gentoo ebuild.

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fryfrog:

sounds like you are hitting a memory cealing of some sorts?

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bewllder:

yeah I seem to remember building myth takes quite a bit of memory. my original myth box only had 128M in it, and I needed to go to 256M before gcc stopped swapping out

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degreseven:

i have 512 mb of ram and 1 gig of swap

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degreseven:

most of it is free

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degreseven:

also i have never had a problem building non-svn myth

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fryfrog:

that sounds like plenty, sorry :/

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degreseven:

isn't there a way to set / check the amount of memory a single program can use?

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bsdfox_:

heh, 128mb mythbackend?

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cesman:

degreseven: try adding vmalloc=256M to lilo.conf (or GRUB eq.)

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degreseven:

cesman, what will that do?

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degreseven:

cesman i have already used ulimit to set the max amount of memory used to unlimited

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UnixDog:

hey kids

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Kazan:

i certainly hope i'm not a kid beause then my wife would be a pedophile :P

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UnixDog:

[PUPPETS]Gonzo: it should be [Muppets]Gonzo

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UnixDog:

ok I have to figure out how to rerun the backend server setup

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UnixDog:

on a mythdora box

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cesman:

mostly likely mythtv-setup

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cesman:

mythtv<tab><tab>

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UnixDog:

gathering info for the knoppmyth

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Kazan:

eww

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directhex:

'ello dave!

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sphery:

briand and gbee: (continuing from other conversation) I'd say, though, that many cameras have reached the point of "useless" pixels. I.e. a 12MP camera can be used to print a 20inx15in image at 200DPI (and, even if using 300DPI for "high res" printing, the printer drivers/hardware will almost definitely down-res the image before) you could still get a 13.3inx10in image (likely, though, you'd only need 300DPI if using a ...

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sphery:

... commercial printer to do a 200LPI brochure.

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briand:

for (most) home use, I'd agree.

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sphery:

So, I'd be more interested in battery type (though it's getting hard to find AA-compatible cameras as they make the cameras smaller) and image formats (i.e. storing in PNG versus JPEG).

[21:27:21]

briand:

but full-size magazine covers (8.5x11 or larger, plus bleed) printed at 1200 dpi or larger to direct-to-plate machines would definitely see the improvement.

[21:28:02]

sphery:

For even a "1440DPI" inkjet, 200DPI images probably yield the maximum print quality.

[21:28:11]

briand:

so, at that point, you're analyzing whether you're shooting for "snapshots" or whether you're a professional photographer

[21:28:34]

sphery:

I'd say you only need 1200 DPI images if you can find a 600LPI or 800LPI process (I don't know of any).

[21:28:35]

briand:

I disagree with your last point.

[21:28:48]

briand:

and that one, too.

[21:29:33]

briand:

the platesetters where I used to work (a printing company) accepted 600dpi -minimum- for any image, and you'd not want under 1200 dpi for a full page image.

[21:29:46]

briand:

(under that, and you start seeing evident pixellation)

[21:29:52]

sphery:

Excess resolution when printing only a) makes files larger, b) increases printing time, and c) can "soften" images (because of the scaling algorithms used by drivers/hardware).

[21:30:25]

briand:

I agree with your points, but only when working with standard consumer-level equipment.

[21:31:39]

sphery:

So what kind of screen frequency/line screen/lines-per-inch was the company using?

[21:31:54]

briand:

I've sold photographs (as art and as commercial images), taken on 35mm and medium-format slide film as well as digital. I'll use my 7 megapixel digital and feel comfortable submitting images if the published size will be at or under 3"x4"

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briand:

sphery: i don't recall, offhand.. but suffice it to say the "print" image file for a 1" x 1.5" size image was in the 6~8MB size range on disk. The "placement" image (for setting up the Quark pages) @ 72dpi, was considerably smaller. The image substitution (72dpi -> 1200dpi) happened during the Quark export to the platesetters.

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directhex:

erm... my entire /data/MythTV folder has evaporated

[21:37:53]

briand:

I _hate_ it when that happens!

[21:38:04]

directhex:

all of it. everything

[21:38:22]

briand:

directhex: is it still mounted? is it on a separate (physical) disk? perhaps there was a problem mounting it. Check dmesg

[21:39:24]

sphery:

briand: Hmmm. Well, I've always heard that image DPI should be 1.5x or 2x the LPI of the process. I'll admit that given good pre-scaling, having too much DPI is /much/ better than not enough, but most people (=uneducated consumers) tend to use more DPI than required.

[21:39:40]

directhex:

the server has an 8-disk array. it remounted itself RO for some unknown reason, and when i bring it back up, the folder is empty

[21:39:53]

directhex:

but it still seems to be using the space...?

[21:40:24]

fryfrog:

directhex: umount it, run an fsck on the device?

[21:40:31]

briand:

if they "remount themselves RO for some unknown reason", it's usually because there were physical errors on that volume, and it couldn't be mounted RW

[21:40:40]

fryfrog:

check mdstat to see if the array is okay

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directhex:

it's not md. and it appears fine in megamgr

[21:47:59]

directhex:

JFS is off my christmas card list

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psymin:

I'm glad I can get 1080p with a 35' HDMI cable :)

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sphery:

psymin: I'm impressed that you can... Using an amp/booster/repeater?

[21:58:03]

killaz:

hi folks

[21:58:10]

sphery:

hi

[21:58:39]

psymin:

sphery, Nope. Just a PS3, 35' hdmi cable, and a Philips 42' LCD

[21:58:58]

directhex:

"dtree page corrupt"

[21:59:03]

directhex:

JFS ate my recordings

[22:00:30]

killaz:

maybe not a direct ontopic question, but do you know if it is worth it to buy a htpc case with vfd or lcd diaply when using linux OS or mythtv?

[22:00:43]

killaz:

display*

[22:01:37]

fryfrog:

killaz: in thoery, myth and other stuff can display info to them

[22:01:45]

fryfrog:

in practice, i'd question the value it adds

[22:01:49]

sphery:

psymin: Nice. I would have expected problems to start at about 30'--most HDMI outputs use cheap TMDS transmitters, so coupled with the HDMI twisted-pair cables preventing proper impedance control, it's tough to get HDMI working at that cable length.

[22:01:57]

directhex:

okay, i need a utility to remove every trace of my recordings from the DB

[22:02:05]

sphery:

psymin: perhaps that's part of the cost of the PS3--good quality TMDS transmitters. :)

[22:02:14]

killaz:

I'm trying to pick the best value htpc case, but wondering if it will give me alot of headache

[22:02:20]

fryfrog:

truncate the recordings table?

[22:02:29]

psymin:

sphery, ahh .. maybe .. so you are saying that I shouldn't count on it working with an nvidia or ati HDMI card?

[22:02:35]

fryfrog:

killaz: i imagine it is a bit tough to setup, being not very popular.

[22:02:40]

killaz:

fryfrog: well I can think of some nice things..

[22:02:59]

sphery:

psymin: Might be more difficult. I wouldn't expect it, but I'm not saying to buy a repeater before testing it. :)

[22:03:22]

directhex:

fryfrog, and recordedseek?

[22:03:25]

sphery:

directhex: best bet is the "new hadware" backup

[22:03:31]

psymin:

sphery, if it doesn't work I should google for 'hdmi repeater' or something?

[22:03:34]

killaz:

fryfrog: to use it for. Tell me if my inbox has mail. The weather without having to put on the TV and go the mythweather etc

[22:03:44]

directhex:

sphery, huh?

[22:04:06]

killaz:

fryfrog: do you have a htpc case?

[22:04:09]

fryfrog:

no

[22:04:14]

fryfrog:

just some old, loud case

[22:04:14]

sphery:

directhex: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 , but don't do the recorded* greps

[22:04:32]

sphery:

directhex: and, if you don't want oldrecorded (previous recording history), don't do it.

[22:04:41]

iamlindoro:

killaz, take a look at lcdproc.... VFD support in linux is quite good, and pretty well supported

[22:04:49]

iamlindoro:

Just get a case with the right chipset

[22:04:49]

killaz:

it's so hard to find "the best" case in all those cases

[22:05:04]

killaz:

iamlindoro: ok thnx

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sphery:

directhex: so, start with 23.5 (backup), then drop DB, then do 23.7 (minus recorded* tables), then import the restore.sql file, then run mythtv-setup, then mythbackend, then mythfrontend, then do settings.

[22:05:48]

killaz:

it would have been much easier if I knew that VD was not supported :-)

[22:05:54]

killaz:

VFD*

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sphery:

directhex: Otherwise, your best bet is to use the GUI to delete the recordings (i.e. in All Programs--left column of Watch Recordings--add all recordings in the group to the playlist, then playlist options|delete to delete them all)

[22:06:53]

iamlindoro:

killaz, VFDs are supported... or are you saying it would have simplified things if they weren't?

[22:07:36]

killaz:

iamlindoro: the last... it would have simplified things

[22:07:40]

iamlindoro:

gotcha

[22:08:42]

sphery:

directhex: to make using the GUI easier, you may want to touch the recording files: echo "SELECT CONCAT('touch ', basename) AS '# create files' FROM recorded;" | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg > /home/mythtv/recreate_files

[22:09:02]

killaz:

iamlindoro: I am already doing research for 2 weeks... and still can't figure out which case to buy :-)

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iamlindoro:

ha

[22:09:40]

iamlindoro:

I believe most of the VFDs on the Silverstone cases should be supported

[22:10:13]

iamlindoro:

google "imon htpc" and you should get a load of supported cases

[22:10:14]

sphery:

directhex: I missed a mc.sql, then run and exit mythtv-setup in the process (after dropping DB) above

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sphery:

but it's in the 23.7 instructions

[22:10:44]

Chase:

anyone know if I do a channel scan on a dvb tuner if it will delete the current channel lineups?

[22:10:51]

Chase:

or affect them in any way?

[22:11:05]

sphery:

it will affect them

[22:11:32]

sphery:

(if you meant "lineups" within MythTV--it has no effect on schedules direct lineups)

[22:11:43]

Chase:

I just want to check if my cable co has added any new digital channels

[22:11:52]

sphery:

My recommendation is to "backup" your channels table before

[22:12:03]

Chase:

I have no problem manually adding them, but I'm not sure what the best way is to scan for them

[22:12:18]

Chase:

dvbscan works, but doesn't tell me what's encrypted and what isn't

[22:12:28]

Chase:

so that would be a huge pain to go through

[22:13:12]

sphery:

best way to scan for mythtv is using MythTV's scan... But, that does mean that you'll have to "fix" things it "fixes" for you (i.e. callsigns may change, etc.)

[22:13:28]

Chase:

maybe I'll just hook it up to my tv and see if any extra channels come in there

[22:14:09]

sphery:

I, personally, do a backup of the DB, then do a grep, like at http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 but for the channel table

[22:14:30]

UnixDog:

I found out my tv card is working but the satallite reciever is not hd capable

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sphery:

then, if I decide things are worth keeping, I fix the new channels. Otherwise, I truncate channel and use the backup

[22:15:01]

sphery:

UnixDog: where are you?

[22:15:18]

sphery:

In the US, there's no legal way to get high-def off a satellite service into MythTV.

[22:15:23]

UnixDog:

Mt Washington LosAngeles CA

[22:15:58]

sphery:

there are some "gray" approaches using Windows-based computers and hacked STB's, but they're not even worth using--let alone risking the questionable legality of them.

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UnixDog:

yes there is with a hd sat tunner

[22:16:15]

UnixDog:

I just ordered one

[22:16:24]

** iamlindoro rolls his eyes **

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sphery:

For high def, you'll need over-the-air or cable (if your cable company doesn't encrypt)

[22:16:32]

UnixDog:

hey its free

[22:16:46]

iamlindoro:

Unixdog, I presume you mean an HD set top box?

[22:16:51]

UnixDog:

yes

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sphery:

UnixDog: The HD STB will output uncompressed high definition. You cannot compress that in real time.

[22:17:01]

sphery:

You cannot get it into Myth.

[22:17:01]

iamlindoro:

So what do you propose to capture that output with?

[22:17:07]

iamlindoro:

No way to get that into mythtv

[22:17:13]

iamlindoro:

except in SD

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UnixDog:

this now sucks

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sphery:

no, DRM sucks

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sphery:

:)

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iamlindoro:

That said, you're not missing much in HD that you can't get with an OTA tuner... Only thing in HD worth watching beyond network TV in HD is Discovery and ESPN

[22:18:59]

iamlindoro:

So get an OTA HD card and you can at least get network TV in HD

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UnixDog:

the card I have is a air2pc

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iamlindoro:

That'll do

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UnixDog:

well I am not getting video

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iamlindoro:

What's your antenna?

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iamlindoro:

Something decent, or are you trying to do WAM with it?

[22:20:26]

iamlindoro:

er QAM

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UnixDog:

the older satallite box

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iamlindoro:

Naw, naw, you get OTA with that card and an antenna

[22:20:44]

iamlindoro:

Not your sat box

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UnixDog:

this house is all sat

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UnixDog:

and it send from the dish sat to channel 60

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UnixDog:

on the tv

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iamlindoro:

So plug an antenna into the card... the house is irrelevant :)

[22:21:34]

UnixDog:

it is

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sphery:

UnixDog: If you're an enterprising person, you could hack together a system using a "grid" of 3x3 (=9) frame grabber cards--each capturing a section of the uncompressed high-def output and dumping straight to disk (at about 312GB/hr assuming you can do the color-conversion to 12-bit color in real time) then run a transcode in the background to stitch it together and and compress it.

[22:22:12]

UnixDog:

well this box is justa small one

[22:22:13]

iamlindoro:

Unixdog, depending on your location relative to antennas, a $20 radio shack antenna may be enough to capture HD OTA

[22:22:24]

UnixDog:

I plan to build a bigger box

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iamlindoro:

You don't have to mount it on your roof or anything if you get a decent signal

[22:22:40]

sphery:

But in some areas (i.e. mine), you'll need a $120 sixteen-foot long antenna)

[22:22:45]

iamlindoro:

True

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iamlindoro:

antennaweb.org will tell you what you need

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sphery:

yes

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sphery:

great site

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UnixDog:

right now I use it as a stramming audio box

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** directhex discovers things in lost&found **

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sphery:

directhex: Did you find my sunglasses in there?

[22:23:53]

directhex:

sphery, found a half-eaten corn dog

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sphery:

lol

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** UnixDog lost his collar and leash and there for no one walks him anymore **

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directhex:

sphery, and a magnet that says "world of fish"

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UnixDog:

everyone is afraid they might get bit

[22:25:27]

UnixDog:

well this sucks

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UnixDog:

I want my sat channels

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iamlindoro:

UnixDog, my experience has been that so few of the channels on those HD packages are actually offered in HD that it's not been worth the money to me

[22:26:46]

iamlindoro:

YMMV

[22:27:02]

iamlindoro:

but You're still only getting like 25 HD channels, usually, and they mostly suck

[22:27:31]

UnixDog:

yeah

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UnixDog:

means I have to get a normal card

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UnixDog:

so I can plug my sat dish in

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iamlindoro:

yup, most people have a PVR 150 for SD

[22:28:15]

iamlindoro:

well, not "most," necessarily, but I think it's probably the most popular choice

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UnixDog:

well ota hd will die off and then we will be sol

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iamlindoro:

not so, they are obliged to provide it for a good long time, I believe

[22:30:50]

UnixDog:

I thought they only had to till 2012

[22:31:27]

UnixDog:

well I bought the card I have for like 20 bucks outof a working system

[22:31:52]

UnixDog:

so I know the card is good

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bsdfox_:

what will we need to use when everything goes digital?

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iamlindoro:

2/17/2009 *analog* broadcasts end, ATSC replaces them...

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UnixDog:

ok

[22:32:37]

iamlindoro:

and that Air2PC card (and the HD 5000, and many others) are ATSC receivers

[22:32:59]

iamlindoro:

In fact, that's what you're receiving right now

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iamlindoro:

if you use it for OTA

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UnixDog:

well right now its not got a antenna

[22:33:58]

iamlindoro:

Then you're only $20 or so from a working HD setup

[22:34:00]

UnixDog:

I have to get one since its not working with my sat dish

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iamlindoro:

Nor is it designed to

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UnixDog:

O well

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iamlindoro:

ATSC cards aren't supposed to interface with sat dishes

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UnixDog:

so I will hit the shack ltr

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iamlindoro:

Check out antennaweb.org to figure out how far you are from your towers

[22:34:58]

UnixDog:

and see what they have in an antenna

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UnixDog:

I am ontop of a mountian in LA

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UnixDog:

I should not have issues

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iamlindoro:

Yes, but you want to know whether to ge an omni or a directional

[22:36:28]

iamlindoro:

and of what size, based upon distance

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iamlindoro:

but do as you wish

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bsdfox_:

what kinda capture cards will we need for ATSC?

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UnixDog:

like a air2pc hd

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iamlindoro:

Any Myth system that currently gets OTA HD is an ATSC tuner

[22:40:18]

iamlindoro:

Air2PC, HD 5000, etc.

[22:40:24]

iamlindoro:

So no different than right now

[22:40:50]

iamlindoro:

No equipment upgrade needed, OTA HD is being broadcast in ATSC already

[22:41:03]

iamlindoro:

in the US, that is

[22:41:11]

iamlindoro:

Different format in europe

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BULLE:

dvb !

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gbee:

iamlindoro: unless you live in the rest of the world, in which case it'll be a DVB(T,S,C) card

[22:41:51]

BULLE:

gbee: the world is usa!

[22:41:52]

iamlindoro:

gbee: See my last :)

[22:42:14]

BULLE:

gbee: you are not american, right ?

[22:42:44]

iamlindoro:

bulle: now now, I mentioned that it was US only, and was speaking to a US resident, so it seemed topical... We're not *all* xenophobic morons

[22:42:56]

BULLE:

iamlindoro: =)

[22:43:04]

iamlindoro:

just the upper management

[22:43:19]

gbee:

BULLE: sadly no, I'm one of the lesser mortals, cruely living out my days in the wastelands beyond the seas :p

[22:44:06]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Well, if things continue along their current vein, I'm sure we'll be happy to export you some good ol' American democracy ;)

[22:44:08]

gbee:

ok, I might have had a little too much to drink ;)

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iamlindoro:

We seem to be doing that a lot right now

[22:45:18]

iamlindoro:

But first thing's first, rm -rf ira*

[22:47:16]

gbee:

iamlindoro: don't feel too special, all nations have imposed their will on others at some point in history

[22:47:46]

UnixDog:

ok 90 % of the 55 channel in la that are ota are in orange collor and they say a low cost antenna should work

[22:48:05]

iamlindoro:

There ya go... and you'll probably only care about four or five of them

[22:48:27]

iamlindoro:

I mean, telemundo and univision are awesome and all that, but...

[22:48:40]

iamlindoro:

Plsu, what the f is with all the religious programming on OTA?

[22:48:42]

iamlindoro:

er plus

[22:48:46]

iamlindoro:

scary

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** BULLE dont get a single religious channel via free OTA programming =/ **

[22:49:30]

UnixDog:

I just wish myth would work to be more iptv

[22:49:41]

rooaus:

gbee: Is there a list a distros that the devs use?

[22:50:00]

UnixDog:

iptv is where I see things going

[22:50:00]

BULLE:

UnixDog: i think it will in time, perhaps, problem is there is no open iptv standard that is in use yet ( there is dvb for iptv, but no one seems to use it, everyone uses proprietary solutions around here )

[22:50:04]

iamlindoro:

Bulle: lucky you! I get like *fvie* channels... and that's in progressive Silicon valley! Edited thsoe bad boys out of the channel table right quick

[22:50:05]

rooaus:

*of distros

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UnixDog:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

er five

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GreyFoxx:

UnixDog: Do you mean for recording (which it already does) or for communicating with the frontends ?

[22:50:34]

gbee:

iamlindoro: sounds like something particular to your culture, we don't have a single OTA religous channel and just a couple amoung the hundreds of satellite channels

[22:50:35]

UnixDog:

both

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iamlindoro:

gbee, curiously, none on my cable setup... "Religion: For those too poor for basic cable." :)

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UnixDog:

I just started playing with myth so noit can and cannot fully do t sure of what

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GreyFoxx:

UnixDog: It does support iptv recording, and there has been no talk that I've seen about using it for streaming to frontends

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gbee:

rooaus: nothing that I know of, but off-hand I know devs using all of the major distros (Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva, Gentoo, Debian)

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UnixDog:

I want to split the front and back end into 2 boxes in time

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GreyFoxx:

xris: uses fedora, chutt uses debian I think, I think Captain Murdoch and I use Slackware, not sure other than that

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UnixDog:

really the idea is 5 tunners in 1 server and 5 front end boxes threw out the house

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UnixDog:

right now its 1 box

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rooaus:

gbee: Thanks, going to ditch Gentoo. I need to upgrade gcc due the the stack alignment issue and can't wait for over 24 hours for a bright "new world" :)

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GreyFoxx:

UnixDog: Myth will certainly do that now (I do that)

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gbee:

rooaus: are you looking for the best distro to use? or curious as to whether there is a distro which isn't used and therefore might have undetected bugs/compatibility problems

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gbee:

ahh ok

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UnixDog:

via mini itx 1.3 wiht 1 gig ram and a 320 gig hd

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iamlindoro:

Good luck making HD work on those :)

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gbee:

rooaus: as GreyFoxx noted, I'd forgotten Slackware off that list

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UnixDog:

its what I had on hand to play with

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gbee:

think Chutt switched to Ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

You'll need more oomph on your frontends to play HD... just so you know before you buy anything... I would think anything less than a 2 Ghz Pentium 4 will have a seriously hard time

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UnixDog:

mythbuntu

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UnixDog:

right now I just want it to rip and play my dvds

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UnixDog:

but its not evn playing dvds at the min

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rooaus:

I am shopping for a new distro and figured it would be sensible to pick one that at least one of the devs was using :)

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UnixDog:

yes I have a dvd drive

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iamlindoro:

Heh, what's the issue there?

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iamlindoro:

*cough*libdvdcss2*cough*

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Daviey:

libdvdcss

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iamlindoro:

heh

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UnixDog:

I put in a cd and tell it to play the dvd and it come back to the menu screen

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UnixDog:

its on there

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gbee:

rooaus: personally I'm a mandriva fan – tried both Debian and Ubuntu recently and neither could beat the tools or default configs used by Mandriva, no idea about Fedora – haven't used that since it was Red Hat and at the time I didn't like it much

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iamlindoro:

What's the log/console output say?

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UnixDog:

I have it

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GreyFoxx:

UnixDog: Check the output of the frontend, maybe you don't have read permission on the device ?

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UnixDog:

I have to figure out how to get it to log

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iamlindoro:

Is myth set to the right device?

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Daviey:

UnixDog: Can the bundled VLC play it?

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iamlindoro:

mythfrontend --logfile filename

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UnixDog:

yes I have to find where mythdora starts the front end from

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iamlindoro:

just open a terminal

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iamlindoro:

and do mythfrontend --logfile whatever

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iamlindoro:

and try to play a DVD, then you can pastebin the logfile and we can look at it

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gbee:

one of the smallest details yet biggest pains with both Debian and Ubuntu was the "crippled" autocomplete – having grown used to Mandriva where autocomplete will happily work with a couple of characters, it's just frustrating for autocomplete on those other systems to not respond in the same way (either have to type 2/3s of the path/command or hit tab multiple times)

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iamlindoro:

gbee, it's fixed in gutsy

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iamlindoro:

Just found that out yesterday

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iamlindoro:

plus, autocomplete replaces with the full path too now (that's new to me)

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gbee:

never bothered with Gentoo, although on paper it sounded like a great idea, I considered how frequently I like to update and then the time I'd spend waiting for things to recompile before deciding that generic packages weren't so bad after all

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BULLE:

gbee: i used gentoo for a pretty long time, but for me the lack of any stable releases was the killer

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iamlindoro:

ie mythf<tab> becomes "/usr/local/bin/mythfrontend"

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gbee:

iamlindoro: interesting, I tried the Gutsy beta a week or two ago and it was still 'broken', so I guess they've fixed it since

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UnixDog:

ok the log is running

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UnixDog:

brb

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BULLE:

gbee: you get bitten by this bug in say mysql, and then they dont provide a fixed package, but insist you install the newest mysql version where its fixed, and then all other apps that depend on mysql breaks, and then somethign else breaks, and then the machine compiles for days

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iamlindoro:

That was with the 10/11 Release Candidate

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UnixDog:

ok audio but no video

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BULLE:

gbee: also, if you just dont keep uppgrading regulary, when you finaly do it, it will break beacuse you have a to old setup, so you must do it incrementaly, IF the older packages are still available

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rooaus:

gbee: Gentoo isn't right for a dedicated box (if you use trunk) IMHO, I have needed to update it for 12 months but as it is my only production box can't wait for >24hrs to re-emerge world to complete.

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UnixDog:

let me ssh into it

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BULLE:

rooaus: ye, and most of that crazyness with horribly long compiles would be solved with a stable release, say every 6 or 12 months, and just having bugfixes/security uppdates to that

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gbee:

I also like having a root user (typing sudo all the time gets annoying) so that also counted against Ubuntu for me, although I probably could have created a root user if I'd stuck with it for a longer time – main problem was with the networking tools though, never did my wifi working correctly under ubuntu whereas it took seconds with Mandriva – that pretty much sealed it

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rooaus:

gbee: "sudo passwd" enables the root account for interactive login.

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gbee:

BULLE: from the sound of it I'm glad I never went with Gentoo then

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rooaus:

BULLE: Yeah and if you upgrade GCC then you should upgrade you whole system, pita

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gbee:

a better compromise might involve a wider range of build platforms for packages – would be expensive in terms of space, but that's always becoming cheaper anyway

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BULLE:

gbee: i normaly prefer to use fedora, but they have fucked upp the uppgrade path aswell, by not officialy supporting anything but pure media uppgrade, and even then the caution against it, and just recommend a pure wipe and reinstall approach

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gbee:

:(

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BULLE:

gbee: so, even though i like fedora, i think i would recommend people to use centos or ubuntu, but thats just me

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BULLE:

gbee: yeah, its a pita =(

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rooaus:

BULLE: That is shite!

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UnixDog:

2007-10–15 16:02:30.145 VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed

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UnixDog:

2007-10–15 16:02:30.147 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'XV_SWOV'

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UnixDog:

2007-10–15 16:02:34.536 TV: Changing from None to WatchingPreRecorded

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UnixDog:

2007-10–15 16:02:34.568 Video timing method: DRM

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UnixDog:

i get audio but no vid

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gbee:

BULLE: might try Mandriva then? Closer to fedora than the debian based ubuntu but which a better set of upgrade/installation tools and IMHO a killer set of configuration apps

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gbee:

sucessfully upgraded from 2006->2007->2008 purely using packages, which I have to admit that I wasn't expecting I would be able to do without major problems

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gbee:

especially as I also run a few unstable (cooker) packages

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UnixDog:

ok need input

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rooaus:

gbee: That is what I like to hear, do you run a full desktop/install or is that a dedicated mythtv box?

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UnixDog:

I get audio but no vid

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gbee:

rooaus: I'm using it on both dedicated mythtv boxes and a full desktop, the dedicated mythtv boxes run a minimal install with IceWM, the full desktop uses KDE (and Compiz if you want)

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gbee:

you can use Gnome if you prefer, it's not locked to KDE

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UnixDog:

ok onto next project till some one can help

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UnixDog:

any one running multi remotes with i system

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UnixDog:

can this be done

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rooaus:

Ubuntu has pi$$ed me off by not fixing tomcat despite it basically being broken (it stalls in the bootstrap stage), seems shoddy.

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rooaus:

UnixDog: Yeah I have, but I use a irtrans receiver. Has it own software that replaces lirc but is lirc compatible.

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directhex:

sigh, still trying to restore my files

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UnixDog:

ok

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UnixDog:

well I am not liking the technisat remote

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UnixDog:

I want a more useable remote

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UnixDog:

I have a rca remote I want to try to get working

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FreshPrince:

hi @ all

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FreshPrince:

i want to use mythtv.. but its complicated to set up :(

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FreshPrince:

so what should i do now? :(

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gbee:

FreshPrince: the hard parts have little to do with mythtv, e.g. setting up hardware drivers etc – mythtv isn't without fault in the configuration stages, we're working to improve things but many problems are out of our hands :(

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FreshPrince:

hm.. :(

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FreshPrince:

dont kow what to do now..

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FreshPrince:

i've try freevo

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FreshPrince:

but there are no ppl who use freevo lol

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FreshPrince:

all the users are saying i should use myth..

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rooaus:

FreshPrince: Try an all-in-one myth distro like mythbuntu or knoppmyth

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FreshPrince:

but i can't set it up :'(

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FreshPrince:

well what should i do with it?

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FreshPrince:

i already installed it from my repo

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FreshPrince:

i only need to set up now..

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rooaus:

FreshPrince: Have you read the docs here? I found them helpful when I started out. http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

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directhex:

100 RCN files to go

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iamben:

include/linux/jiffies.h:33:3: error: #error You lose.

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iamben:

wtf =(

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iamben:

thats building a kernel module

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iamben:

oops wrong chan sorry

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delmar:

hi everyone. how do I manually setup/add audio/video/pcr PID's for a channel that is hidden?

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FreshPrince:

rooaus, already read it.. i have no clue how to do.. i dont understand this stuff..

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rooaus:

FreshPrince: If you ask specific questions and give sufficient detail people here may be able to help, we have all been where you are now. :)

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rooaus:

FreshPrince: Have you used linux before?

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delmar:

Hrm. It doesn't look like MythTV allows you to fiddle about with the PID's ? :(. I can't find anywhere in the channel editor to manually edit the PID info.

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Toxicity999:

anyone know if the PVR 150's composite/Coaxial channels are separate? For example, could I use composite input simultaneously with recording. Or is it using the same hardware lock? I notice it runs from different dev nodes for one.

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BULLE:

Toxicity999: afaik there is only one mpeg encoder engine on the 150

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BULLE:

Toxicity999: so you can only ever watch one stream, irrespectively of what input you use

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