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Friday, October 12th, 2007, 00:02 UTC

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gib:

I need help getting an ADS PTV-305 to work. All the blackbird kernel drivers seem to load OK, and it even says it loaded the firmware, but I get nothing but a black screen when trying to "watch TV."

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gib:

I even typed mplayer /dev/video1 and got playback of the first station, so it seems to be a MythTV issue.

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gib:

Anyone have any idea? I've googled around and seen about three different post of people having the same problem with this card, but none of the posts got an answer.

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zachtib:

hey, all of a sudden, my mythbox says it has no upcoming recordings, but it also says that it's currently recording ( icant watch live tv), even though nothing shows up in the recorded programs... i did update mysql today (running ubuntu feisty) dont know if thats related

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defaultro:

hey folks, I was wondering why most of my recordings are all 55 mins even if upcomings says recording from 8:00–9:00, where should i look?

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defaultro:

check this out, http://www.nopaste.com/p/aeCS4nbVY

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defaultro:

or this one, http://www.nopaste.com/p/a5bkW3F3k

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defaultro:

and system is ntpd sync as well

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fryfrog:

defaultro: did you force 5 minutes or -5 mintues of record ahead?

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fryfrog:

ie, is the show before it being forced to record 5 min more?

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defaultro:

i don't remember doing that

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fryfrog:

humm, no that doesn't make sense :/

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fryfrog:

cause then it simply wouldn't record the next *and* you'd have shows that were 65 or 60 min

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defaultro:

if there was force, one show will not be recorded

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fryfrog:

exactly

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defaultro:

yes, I was aware of it

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fryfrog:

no, sorry, i have no idea :/

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knowledgejunkie:

defaultro: check your backend logfile to see when it *actually* started and finished the recording. What type of capture card?

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fryfrog:

OH

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fryfrog:

i know what it is

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fryfrog:

let me bet:

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defaultro:

cool

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fryfrog:

you have a master and a slave

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defaultro:

what ?

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defaultro:

same box

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fryfrog:

and the slave is doing the recording

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fryfrog:

oh, poot, really?

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defaultro:

yes, one machine

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fryfrog:

damn :/

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fryfrog:

i had the same problem

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defaultro:

let me see mb.log

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fryfrog:

only mine were only 5 min long

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fryfrog:

turns out the slave was on DST and the master wasn't.

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fryfrog:

or vica-versa

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defaultro:

glad i have from 9/26 to current

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defaultro:

oh

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fryfrog:

the *master* determines when a recording starts, the slave decides when it ends.

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fryfrog:

but obviously, this isn't the problem... :(

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fryfrog:

damn, i lost the bet

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defaultro:

2007-10–01 20:00:03.336 Started recording: Heroes "Lizards": channel 3170 on cardid 2, sourceid 2

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defaultro:

2007-10–01 21:00:00.794 TVRec(2): Changing from RecordingOnly to None

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fryfrog:

okay, so now find where it stops recording?

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fryfrog:

thats an hour?

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defaultro:

but when I click info, it says 55mins

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defaultro:

and it's true that it's cut

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fryfrog:

while watching, you mean?

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defaultro:

nope

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slango:

so, if I am recording a television show

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defaultro:

recorded

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slango:

and I want to watch it as it records, is that okay?

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defaultro:

then some parts of Heroes is in the beginning of Journeyman

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SarahEmm:

slango: sure

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fryfrog:

so if you go watch it, then press info (to make the thing pop up), does it also say 55min?

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slango:

or will switching to Watch TV stop the recording?

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

it says 55

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fryfrog:

slango: if you want to watch a recording, as it records... goto the "recordings" section and pick it.

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fryfrog:

if you just goto "watch tv" from the main screen, it'll either stop the recording and let you watch tv...

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slango:

defaultro, probably the most common reason for people setting up mythboxes lately... Heroes

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fryfrog:

or it'll say "hey, we are recording... do you want to watch *that* or do you want us to cancel it?"

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fryfrog:

(i think you get the popup, but i'm not 100% sure)

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defaultro:

2007-10–01 21:00:06.269 Started recording: Journeyman "Friendly Skies": channel 3170 on cardid 2, sourceid 2

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knowledgejunkie:

defaultro: you could have a bad seek table for the recording – what type of capture card are you using?

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defaultro:

dvico

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defaultro:

i just used a mythconverg backup file

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fryfrog:

so when you *really* watch it, it is actually missing 5 min at the start or end?

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** SarahEmm seems to keep missing shows since her last upgrade, grr. i have to figure out what's up with that.. **

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defaultro:

yes

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fryfrog:

what about if you do "file" on the file?

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fryfrog:

or watch the file with mplayer?

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defaultro:

but the other last minutes are in the beginning of Journeyman

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defaultro:

playback is fine on mythtv

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slango:

fryfrog, do I go to Media Library and select it, or some subscreen of recordings

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defaultro:

what junkie said make sense

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fryfrog:

slango:

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SarahEmm:

defaultro: do you have the 'start recordings X mins early' or 'finish X mins late' options set?

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fryfrog:

slango: uh, i am working from memory

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defaultro:

nope Sarah

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fryfrog:

slango: i think "media library" then "recordings"

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fryfrog:

the currently recording show will stand out, being red or green or something

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defaultro:

i've been troubleshooting this for weeks :)

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slango:

fryfrog, because the recording isn't showing up in there at all

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SarahEmm:

are you sure it's recording?

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fryfrog:

slango: no? are you sure it is even recording?

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defaultro:

<knowledgejunkie> defaultro: you could have a bad seek table for the recording

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fryfrog:

do you have mythweb setup?

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fryfrog:

also, try going to "information" and "status" i think

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defaultro:

knowledge junkie, where is that table?

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fryfrog:

that'll tell you waht your BE is doing

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defaultro:

i don't have mytweb

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fryfrog:

defaultro: i was talking to slango about mythweb

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defaultro:

:) oh

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fryfrog:

defaultro: I think if you re-queue a mythcommflag, it'll rebuild that table

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

that triggers something

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defaultro:

i modified mythcommflag permissions

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defaultro:

:D

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defaultro:

it ruins my playback everytime i start watching

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slango:

fryfrog, yeah, it's definitely recording

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defaultro:

so it's -rw-rw-rw--

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defaultro:

i removed the executable bit

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slango:

I did Watch TV, and it told me to select the video from the "Playback menu"

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slango:

nothing here says playback :-/

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slango:

but it is definitely recording

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defaultro:

fryfrog, can we tell mythcommflag to only run starting 2am?

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fryfrog:

defaultro: change your "mythcommflag" command from "mythcommflag" to "nice -n 19 mythcommflag"

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defaultro:

how/

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iamben:

OT: i missed recording the first 20 mins of heroes 202. should i forge on and watch that and the full 203, or wait until i get the full 202 first?

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defaultro:

?

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defaultro:

on the table?

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fryfrog:

wait

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fryfrog:

defaultro: in myth's settings

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fryfrog:

i have *no* idea where

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defaultro:

mythtv-setup?

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defaultro:

or even in fe will do?

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fryfrog:

could be

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fryfrog:

it'll be with all the "job" settings

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

i know where that is

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fryfrog:

i *think* i saw it in mythtv-setup in my recent svn head

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

so it's going to be nice -n 19 mythcommflag

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fryfrog:

you might also put a "nice -n 19" in front of the transcode command

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fryfrog:

the "nice -n 19" means only to use cpu time that isn't being used for *anything* else

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fryfrog:

idle time

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defaultro:

what does nice do? i've always seen this for 10 yrs now and have not done any rsearch what it does :P

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fryfrog:

your commflagging will take longer when your box is doing stuff

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knowledgejunkie:

defaultro: you might also want to run the optimize_db script to make sure your database is in good shape

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BULLE:

iamben: or just ask any of your friends that might have recorded the first 20 minutes to give those 20 mins to you

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

thanks junkie

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fryfrog:

nice basically makes processes play fairly with eachother, according to your desire.

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defaultro:

is that inside mysql?

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fryfrog:

knowledgejunkie / defaultro: but that won't fix a seek table, just make sure the db is good.

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fryfrog:

defaultro: no, in contrib a script name "myth_optimizedb.pl" i thnk

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fryfrog:

close to that

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defaultro:

got it

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iamben:

BULLE: the only friend of mine who watches heroes has moved to france =( i move to a new house w/ real internets in a couple of weeks, i guess ill wait until i get there

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defaultro:

yep, i will do the mythcommflag too

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fryfrog:

optimize_mythdb.pl actually

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BULLE:

iamben: dont they rerun the episodes late during night or similar ?

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knowledgejunkie:

knowledgejunkie: it will make sure we start from a safe position

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fryfrog:

knowledgejunkie: you just talked to yourself :)

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** knowledgejunkie slaps /me **

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fryfrog:

that optimize_mythdb.pl is a good thing to put in a daily or weekly cron job btw

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knowledgejunkie:

fryfrog: and I'm not even asleep

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fryfrog:

hehe

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defaultro:

optimization complete. Going to the screen now for nice -n 19

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defaultro:

i'll put it in cron too

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iamben:

BULLE: my program listings said it would rerun the following saturday @ 7pm, i set it, and ended up w/ 2 episodes of the office instead =(

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fryfrog:

if you want, you can fiddle with the number until you find the sweet spot too

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fryfrog:

for example, my mythbackend is setup to start with "nice -5" in order to make it very important

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fryfrog:

er "nice -n -5"

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iamben:

i actually had it set to record the FIRST showing, but also had an always-record rule for "2 and a half men" which screwed it

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fryfrog:

ouch

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fryfrog:

talk about a bad show to have an always record setting on? :p

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BULLE:

heroes is atleast a pretty decent show

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BULLE:

they are just at s01 here, but anyway

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iamben:

yeah, this finally prompted me to go and set proper priorities on my schedules =)

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BULLE:

so no spoilers please!

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fryfrog:

hehe

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fryfrog:

BULLE: just *done* with S1?

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fryfrog:

or it is still playing?

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BULLE:

fryfrog: still playing

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BULLE:

fryfrog: somewhere in the middle

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

do you get it in HD at least?

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BULLE:

fryfrog: me ? no, i dont get any hd at all =/

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fryfrog:

man :(

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BULLE:

fryfrog: im stuck with the suckiest cable provider there is, they dont do hd

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iamben:

i barely get SD now

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iamben:

i get broadcast only, 6 channels

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fryfrog:

that show is the http back slash dot slash bomb dot com backslash

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fryfrog:

in hd

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fryfrog:

i record it in SD so i can let myself feel better about downloading it in HD :p

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fryfrog:

stupid OTA antenna doesn't get NBC

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BULLE:

fryfrog: pretty hilarious, the "contract" explicitly says that i cant connect ANY equipment to their cable outlet, that i havent gotten from them, and then on the next page they explain how to hook up your tv, directly to the cable outlet, so you can watch the few analog channels they provide to

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Hilikus_:

hey guys, how do i find the code for a couple of buttons in my remote control for my STB? i already have the numbers working from an online config file i found but i need to know the SELECT code too. i found a database of codes where i think i found the code i want but i dont know how to translate that into lirc codes which are like 6 numbers, this code i found is like 200 numbers

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BULLE:

and no, i didnt get the tv from them .......

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fryfrog:

ahahha

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fryfrog:

lame cable/sat cos

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knowledgejunkie:

defaultro: if you still need to rebuild the seektable for the 55 minute recording, check out http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythcommflag

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BULLE:

fryfrog: oh yes

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fryfrog:

Hilikus_: why don't you use irw or irrecord and jsut get the code?

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fryfrog:

irrecord actually

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fryfrog:

i think irw will let you verify when done

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Hilikus_:

fryfrog irw works with the codes in lircd.conf

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fryfrog:

yar

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fryfrog:

so irrecord it is

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: what you got is most likely a RAW code ( those 200 numbers ) you can add those to lirc config aswell

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: irrecord then

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Hilikus_:

BULLE how?

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: but, quite many remote protocols have togglebits etc, and then just dumping raw values there wont work

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: just use irrecord, it will generate a file for you

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: just push the buttons you are intrested in, and then cut and paste from the generated file to your real file i imagine ?

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Hilikus_:

i think i tried irrecord already, im gonna try again

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Hilikus_:

Hold down an arbitrary button.

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Hilikus_:

irrecord: gap not found, can't continue

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Hilikus_:

weird thing is, there is a config file for lirc that works here

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Hilikus_:

Hold down an arbitrary button.

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Hilikus_:

irrecord: gap not found, can't continue

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Hilikus_:

damn, sorry

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Hilikus_:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/scientifi . . . xplorer_2000

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Hilikus_:

oohh wait a minute

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caskater4:

can anyone help me out real quick with setting up my ATI Wonder remote?

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Hilikus_:

yah, what i get when i use that config file when i use irsend is irsend: command failed: SEND_ONCE SA2000 SELECT

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Hilikus_:

irsend: transmission failed

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Hilikus_:

any idea what that means?

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knowledgejunkie:

Hilikus_: it means the transmission failed

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knowledgejunkie:

Hilikus_: :)

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Hilikus_:

if you were a programmer you would know thats the stupidest error ever

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knowledgejunkie:

Hilikus_: I've seen worse

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BULLE:

i have seen much worse

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Hilikus_:

like no keyboard detected, press any key to continue ?

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BULLE:

or actualy, the worst are the ones you dont see at all

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knowledgejunkie:

Hilikus_: BIOS error: No keyboard detected, press F1 to continue :)

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knowledgejunkie:

haha

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Hilikus_:

the ones you dont see at all are not error messages

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knowledgejunkie:

Hilikus_: can you send other keycodes?

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Hilikus_:

yes

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Hilikus_:

oh well, thats assuming both remotes are the same

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Hilikus_:

let me try other code in that same remote

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knowledgejunkie:

Hilikus_: you can use irrecord with the existing lircd.conf for the other remote (assuming they use the same protocol) and record the buttons on the new remote

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knowledgejunkie:

Hilikus_: it saves you having to record the buttons in raw mode

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Hilikus_:

thing is, i have 1 remote with only numbers that works (im talking about remote sections in lircd.conf, not actual remote controls) and i found a remote section with all of the other keys but its encoded differently

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: ye, one is most likely compact form, the other raw

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SarahEmm:

anyone know what would make myth think 90% of shows have been previously recorded? o.O

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Hilikus_:

BULLE you know how to convert one to the other?

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SarahEmm:

there's two or three shows on the list of 20 that it's recording now, the rest it says it's already recorded for every episode (including new ones)

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slango:

so... is there any reason why MythTV would claim to be recording, but not storing any files?

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: no not realy, there is no simple way, you will have to read trough the lirc documentation, and then figure it out

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knowledgejunkie:

SarahEmm: how are you dupe matching?

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: the two formats are related

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slango:

because my first program of the night didn't show up in my Media Library at all

[01:14:14]

slango:

this happened before with another show

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: one is basicly the raw ir pulses, the other is basicly the "interpreted" form

[01:14:21]

Hilikus_:

i couldnt find any damn patterns, i looked at both for hours

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slango:

but when I view LiveTV, my recordings appear fine

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: so you need to understand how to interpret the raw pulses, then you can add it

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Hilikus_:

i did all my binary conversion, invertion crap and nothing :(

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knowledgejunkie:

slango: failed tuning/file permissions?

[01:15:18]

Hilikus_:

slango did you check the logs?

[01:15:18]

BULLE:

Hilikus_: there are a few common protocls around, they often encode the 0/1 in the length of the pause between pulses

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BULLE:

raw codes are always in the form "pulse pause [pulse pause]* pulse"

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SarahEmm:

knowledgejunkie: subtitle and description

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BULLE:

in that case

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SarahEmm:

it was acting fine before the upgrade to .20 :/

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Hilikus_:

one remote section has flags as RAW_CODES, yet the stupid code for one of the is 5111808

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Hilikus_:

for example

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Hilikus_:

the other one is like 200 numbers

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BULLE:

ye, the 200 numbers is what i would think is the raw codes

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Hilikus_:

me 2

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BULLE:

the 5111808 is the interpreted form

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slango:

Hilikus_, not yet, haven't had a chance

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: care to paste the 200 numbers in a private msg to me ?

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: i can take quick look, and atleast tell you if its raw codes or not

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Hilikus_:

BULLE the weirdesti thing is that if i take those short numbers that DO work, and like add +1 to the last, it will complaing again about transmission failing

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** SarahEmm should really rebuild this install from scratch, i think. :/ .20 seems to be using more CPU too, i can just *barely* get by on my P4 1.7GHz watching live TV now **

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: ye, most likely because you have checksum bits, toggle bits or similar stuff

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: or just fixed encoded bits that ALWAYS needs to be 1 or 0, and you adding 1 to it, means that bits get faulty value

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Hilikus_:

like, between key_7 and key_8 theres a decimal difference of 1!!! but if i take key_0 and add 1 it wont like it

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knowledgejunkie:

SarahEmm: you should be fine with that for SD material

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Hilikus_:

but then why would it be ok for key7 to key8 to have only 1 difference

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: yes, because the interpreted numbers can have leading and trailing parts cut off

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knowledgejunkie:

SarahEmm: if you change the dupe detection to subtitle only, does it pick up other recordings?

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: because the leading and trailing parts are always constant, so you mask them out

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SarahEmm:

knowledgejunkie: should be, but am not for some reason... it's always been tight, but not this bad.

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BULLE:

Hilikus_: so the real diff, is not 1, its just that you only see the diff as one

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SarahEmm:

(i'm doing software encoding btw)

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Hilikus_:

mm i see

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SarahEmm:

knowledgejunkie: hmm, will try changing that

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knowledgejunkie:

SarahEmm:ahh

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BULLE:

wg, somehwere in the two binary numbers, there is a single bit that is different, it just doesnt have to be the last

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** SarahEmm should build a new box and trial a PVR-500 **

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my2keh:

does anyone have LIRC configured to do PgUp/PgDn?

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Hilikus_:

my2keh i do

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Hilikus_:

i use chan+ and chan-

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offset:

does anyone have mythstream working without crashing if you exit the plugin?

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my2keh:

Do you mind copying and pasting what you have from your .lircrc?

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my2keh:

hmm so in the guide, you scroll up/down one channel at a time?

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Hilikus_:

i do that with the up arrow

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Hilikus_:

i separated the defaul behaviour of UP being the same as chan+

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my2keh:

and what do you have your lircrc set to do that?

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Hilikus_:

well, i gave different keys to each

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my2keh:

I'm just looking for your up/down?

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my2keh:

for pgup/pgdn

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tank-man:

you can customize your lircrc file to what you want

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my2keh:

I know..I just don't know what the command is for PgUp/Down

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tank-man:

its different for everyone, no?

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my2keh:

begin

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my2keh:

prog = mythtv

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my2keh:

button = ChanDown

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my2keh:

config = Down

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my2keh:

end

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my2keh:

I'm talking about this

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my2keh:

so like I know I set the button = Up ( I think)

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my2keh:

and the config = ? PgDn?

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slango:

knowledgejunkie, shouldn't be permissions. I'm recording to the user's home directory

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slango:

and Hilikus_, I didn't see anything weird in the logs

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offset:

xev says its Prior/Next for me

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slango:

there are several mpg files in my home directory that can only have been created by Myth

[01:26:20]

slango:

but I thought Myth had a wierd file extension...

[01:26:30]

slango:

maybe that's why they aren't showing up?

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Hilikus_:

my2keh thats what i was saying, by default up and chanUp do the same, they both send UP to mythtv

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slango:

I know my tuner encodes to mpeg by default...

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knowledgejunkie:

slango: check your backend's logfile for the missing recordings. Any chance they are being auto-expired?

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slango:

knowledgejunkie, with an hour of the program start? that seems ridiculous

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knowledgejunkie:

slango: they will have .mpg extension is you are using a hardware MPEG2 card

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slango:

it's keeping LiveTV clips for several hours

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tank-man:

my2keh, try 1,3,7,9 on numpad

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knowledgejunkie:

slango: Check the logfile. It is not normal behaviour for recordings to just disappear. Also, make sure you are viewing All recording groups in the Recorded Programmes list and not filtering the list.

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my2keh:

tank-man>> when I'm in the guide?

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keith4_:

does anyone know of any work done to create any sort of web interface to control sharp HDTVs?

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fragged:

Hey guys, I'm wondering if its possible to do an automatic scan of channels with a DVB-T card, I've looked at a few tutorials and they all seem to have channels provided by config files, however I'm in a rural area of Australia and the closest city's configuration doesnt appear to work for me

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slango:

knowledgejunkie, found them.

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slango:

the files are definitely sitting in my home directory

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slango:

don't know where Myth is hiding them

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slango:

but I can view the files for sure

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Hilikus_:

slango is it live tv?

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slango:

which is immediately, my chief concern

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slango:

Hilikus_, these are recordings I've mde

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knowledgejunkie:

slango: you are probably filtering them – as I mentioned above

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Hilikus_:

myth filters out live tv by default

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tank-man:

my2keh, PgDown didnt work?

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slango:

Hilikus_, that's funny

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slango:

all I'm seeing is live tv

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slango:

and my recorded files are all missing

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knowledgejunkie:

fragged: you can do an automatic scan

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slango:

sounds like something is backward

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iamben:

slango: did you forget to mount a storage partition or something?

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my2keh:

when I modify my lircrc do I need to restart something?

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knowledgejunkie:

slango: you are filtering only LiveTV. Press the Menu button when in the Recorded Progs list and change the filter to Default

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fragged:

knowledgejunkie, where would I find the tools / ability to do that?

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Hilikus_:

my2keh i dont think so, its only when you modify lircd.conf

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knowledgejunkie:

fragged: mythtv-setup has the ability to scan for channels

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slango:

knowledgejunkie, that was it

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slango:

I didn't even know that that menu existed

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slango:

I wonder how it got there in the first place

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knowledgejunkie:

slango: it catches out a *lot* of people

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slango:

knowledgejunkie, well it won't catch me twice

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slango:

fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, I use Windows Media Center from now on

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slango:

just kidding

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Hilikus_:

i thought it was, fool me twice..... if you fool me i cant get fooled again

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Hilikus_:

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Hilikus_:

oh crap, i didnt notice i pasted that here

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my2keh:

I think I have to do killall xinit for the lircrc changes to take affect

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my2keh:

annoying

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knowledgejunkie:

my2keh: Just restart the app using LIRC

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my2keh:

well I don't want to restart the app

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my2keh:

I just want the change to take affect

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my2keh:

heh

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knowledgejunkie:

my2keh: the app reads .lircrc at startup

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knowledgejunkie:

my2keh: you'll need to restart the app in order to pull in any changes to lircrc

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my2keh:

hence the problem

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my2keh:

I know

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knowledgejunkie:

my2keh: what's the app?

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my2keh:

i was just saying it's annoying

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my2keh:

knowledgejunkie>> mythtv ?

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knowledgejunkie:

my2keh: you only need to restart mythfrontend – what's the issue?

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my2keh:

the fact that I have to restart mythfrontend

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my2keh:

heh the wife gives me flak

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knowledgejunkie:

my2keh: you'll only need to restart it once though :) once it's working, you never need to restart it

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my2keh:

I know..but I change something have to test it

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my2keh:

change something, test it

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my2keh:

iterative approach

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my2keh:

heh

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knowledgejunkie:

my2keh: sad but true

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my2keh:

yup

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ibanex:

hi guys, i'm using a PVR-150 with ivtv 1.0.0, dmesg says it recognized and loaded my card correctly, but all the channels are off by one (ie. 6 should be 5), any thoughts?

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my2keh:

just trying a few things with the guide, ie pgup/dn

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my2keh:

and bringing it up whilst in livetv

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knowledgejunkie:

my2keh: for PgUp/PgDown, config = PgDown and config = PgUp should work in your lircrc (at least it does for me)

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my2keh:

me too, that's what I have

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my2keh:

begin

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my2keh:

prog = mythtv

[01:55:45]

my2keh:

button = Up

[01:55:45]

my2keh:

config = PgUp

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my2keh:

end

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knowledgejunkie:

my2keh: do you have another button = Up in the config?

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my2keh:

begin

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my2keh:

button = Up

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my2keh:

prog = xine

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my2keh:

config = EventUp

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my2keh:

end

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my2keh:

but that's for xine

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my2keh:

so I don't think it matters

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knowledgejunkie:

my2keh: for mythtv

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my2keh:

nadda

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my2keh:

only one button = Up

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knowledgejunkie:

my2keh: it shouldn't matter then

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knowledgejunkie:

my2keh: do you use mythweb?

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my2keh:

I use it yeah

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knowledgejunkie:

my2keh: if you do you can see you current key bindings at http://$SERVER/mythweb/settings/mythtv/keys

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my2keh:

keybindings?

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knowledgejunkie:

my2keh: to make sure you are associating your buttons in .lircrc with the correct MythTV key bindings

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my2keh:

So like it shows Global PAGEUP Page Up PgUp

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my2keh:

that tells me I'm doing it right?

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knowledgejunkie:

my2keh: should be good

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my2keh:

but there's also: TV Frontend PAGEUP Page Up 3

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my2keh:

hmm

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my2keh:

ok it's working for some reason

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my2keh:

haha but it now does pgup everywhere

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my2keh:

lol like in the menus, guide

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my2keh:

that's no good

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knowledgejunkie:

my2keh: did you remove one of the bindings?

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my2keh:

yeah I must have had it double assigned like you said

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my2keh:

tell me if tihs is possible:

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my2keh:

in EPG, up = PgUp

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my2keh:

in menus etc up = up 1

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my2keh:

?

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Hilikus_:

hey guys, this is a stupid question, how do you turn on your tv?

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my2keh:

uhhh with my remote

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** SarahEmm should build a new box and trial a PVR-500 **

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SarahEmm:

oops

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** SarahEmm didn't mean to repeat that. :) **

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** SarahEmm goes up and pushes the button, as she's using LCD monitors as TVs **

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Hilikus_:

cause i want to get rid of my old cable RC because now i use the pvr RC but i cant turn the tv on with that one

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Hilikus_:

so keeping one RC just to turn on/off is kind of annoyinf

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my2keh:

I use a Harmony, I push Watch TV, which turns on my A/V and T/V

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Hilikus_:

i guess ill have to use my fingers, thats so old school

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Hilikus_:

;P

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my2keh:

that's so not cool

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Hilikus_:

i know

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Hilikus_:

it sucks

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my2keh:

get a harmony

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Hilikus_:

whats that

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my2keh:

Logitech remote

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my2keh:

can control many devices

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my2keh:

like I said, i push "Watch TV" it turns on my tv and my a/v receiver

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my2keh:

I push Watch Movie, it turns my AV receiver = DVD, turns on my DVD player and sets my TV's input to HDMI 2

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Hilikus_:

nice

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my2keh:

it is

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my2keh:

wife proof

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my2keh:

it even controls my fireplace

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my2keh:

hehe

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mzb_d800:

Hilikus_: you could always build an IR transmitter and get the mythbox to do the work for you ;)

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Hilikus_:

i already have an ir transmitter, but its for the STB and it has like 2cms range

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mzb_d800:

can anyone suggest a nice way to configure a remote for mythmusic?

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mzb_d800:

build a better one

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mzb_d800:

I'm having problems getting mythmusic to play nicely with my remote

[02:40:16]

mzb_d800:

specifically, I want seek functions, and prev/next track to work

[02:40:41]

mzb_d800:

I've tried editing the key-bindings for music without success

[02:40:53]

mzb_d800:

remote works! ;)

[02:41:13]

mzb_d800:

but can't get those keys (eg left,right) to do seek or skip

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mzb_d800:

any suggestions?

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internat2:

stupid quesiton, where does mythtv store details for the front end, like which player to use etc

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mzb_d800:

in the database?

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SarahEmm:

config is all stored in the mysql db afaik

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mzb_d800:

dm ... got the remote going

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knowledgejunkie:

mzb_d800: if you use mythweb, check $SERVER/mythweb/settings/mythtv/keys and you'll current music keybindings. Then adjust your lircrc config to match

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internat2:

hmms.. i need to change the default player, and i only have access to the database not the frontend at the moment

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mzb_d800:

I've been editing using phpmyadmin

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knowledgejunkie:

mzb_d800: no problem, just look in mythconverg.keybindings

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mzb_d800:

have been, thanks ... just having some problems with *some* keys

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mzb_d800:

btw: music keybindings don't show up in mythweb

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mzb_d800:

hence the reason I was using phpmyadmin

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knowledgejunkie:

mzb_d800: which version of MythTV?

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mzb_d800:

0.20.2

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knowledgejunkie:

mzb_d800: is it just the Music context missing from MythWeb?

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mzb_d800:

haven't checked for anything else

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Aval0n:

guys I've never had a problem playing my mp3s before

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Aval0n:

but just today I go into to play them

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Aval0n:

and I get some decodeMAD error

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Aval0n:

can't open input

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Aval0n:

anyone know why it might be doing that?

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mzb_d800:

Aval0n: make sure the music is where it's supposed to be

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L0ng0n3:

anyone here

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L0ng0n3:

Anyone here willing to talk to me regaurding mythtv

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ibanex:

hi guys, i'm using a PVR-150 with ivtv 1.0.0, dmesg says it recognized and loaded my card correctly, but all the channels are off by one (ie. 6 should be 5), any thoughts?

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keith4_:

ibanex: go change them in the database

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keith4_:

l0ng0n3: don't ask about asking, just ask

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Aval0n:

mzb

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Aval0n:

I just unmounted and remounted

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Aval0n:

and it's working now

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Aval0n:

couldn't get access to the file for some reason

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mzb_d800:

rebooted recently?

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Aval0n:

yes

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Aval0n:

but I have a crontab entry setup

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mzb_d800:

might not have it setup properly

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L0ng0n3:

well i want to build a myth box so bad but want to pick out the best hardware

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mzb_d800:

check your mount options in fstab

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Aval0n:

i've rebooted many times, first time it's messed up

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ibanex:

keith4_: thats a good idea

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ibanex:

i will try it now, thanks

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Aval0n:

could have been the remote machine was off when it was rebooted.

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keith4_:

ibanex: you can use mythweb to edit channels, or if you're savvy, write a sql query to do it

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mzb_d800:

:) ... prob wouldn't help ;)

[03:09:55]

L0ng0n3:

what is a good HDTV card to get

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mzb_d800:

keith4_: phpmyadmin ;)

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Aval0n:

hehe

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ibanex:

keith4_: i've got phpMyAdmin on here anyways, so i'll try with that first

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ibanex:

ya

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keith4_:

right, but it sucks to use phpmyadmin to change 150 channels, or whatever

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keith4_:

you can write a sql update query in phpmyadmin

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ibanex:

keith4_:what would mythweb allow me to do?

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keith4_:

edit all channels with one form submission

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keith4_:

still more work than a sql update query

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keith4_:

but less work than using phpmyadmin to change them one at a time

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L0ng0n3:

I want to build a box with the least amount of issues .... Any suggestion on some hardware... I want to record normal cable tv and HDtv.

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keith4_:

L0ng0n3: US?

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L0ng0n3:

yes in the USA

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keith4_:

pcHDTV 5500

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L0ng0n3:

will that do sdtv and normal cable??

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L0ng0n3:

i am not doing any ota

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keith4_:

me neither

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keith4_:

L0ng0n3: read http://pchdtv.com/hd_5500_right_down.html

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L0ng0n3:

what about this card MyHD MDP-130

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keith4_:

dunno

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L0ng0n3:

here is a link http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/Video/mdp130.asp

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L0ng0n3:

keith were you from?

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keith4_:

US

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keith4_:

L0ng0n3: the card I suggested is $40 cheaper than that

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L0ng0n3:

I saw that

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L0ng0n3:

what kind of case do you have for your system

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keith4_:

i dunno, some generic crap

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L0ng0n3:

what part of the US

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L0ng0n3:

?

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keith4_:

i have separate backends and frontends, though

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keith4_:

PA

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keith4_:

i see you're in WA

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L0ng0n3:

yep

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keith4_:

oddly enough, your IP reverses to comcast in WA and also in OR

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L0ng0n3:

I know

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L0ng0n3:

i forgot the line to add to my perform to block my ip lol

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ibanex:

keith4_: select * from channel; update channel set channum=(channum-1); thanks!

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Rommie:

Hey all. Is there a way to force Myth to use the second monitor, when xinerama is enabled?

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Hilikus_:

why wouldnt my STB remote be identified by irrrecord or mode2?

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_banyan:

Does anybody know what mappings control the recordings menu left and right movements?

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_banyan:

That whole key mappings thing is kinda baffling, the way it's put together.

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defaultro:

hey folks, what is recordedseek table for?

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_banyan:

It sounds like it might hold saved positions.

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defaultro:

ok

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_banyan:

but I am not sure.

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defaultro:

i have entries of year 2005 and 2006

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defaultro:

don't know if i can delete them

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defaultro:

and i've get 308 thousand entries on that table

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defaultro:

i mean, i've got

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defaultro:

what's the difference between recorded and recordedprogram table?

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_banyan:

Hmm, I think one of those has the record of your old recordings (for duplicate elimination)

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Captain_Murdoch:

recorded has the actual recordings in them. recordedprogram is a copy of what was in the program table for that particular recording

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defaultro:

yes, i got rid of them :)

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defaultro:

it keeps coming back

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defaultro:

even if it's not on my harddisk anymore

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defaultro:

i'm also cleaning up recordedseek for entries that begins with 2005 and 2006

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_banyan:

on my recording menu, when I hit the left arrow, I always end up in the right hand menu of the previous recording.

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_banyan:

Anyway, it just doesn't work like it does with the keyboard and I can't figure out why.

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mikeo2:

are there any linux hdtv cards that support cablecard?

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keith4_:

good question

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L0ng0n3:

Keith I am now blocked woot

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mikeo2:

how do you guys record hdtv content? or do you only do OTA

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keith4_:

L0ng0n3: good

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keith4_:

but you're not

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keith4_:

mikeo2: pcHDTV 5500

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Tanthrix:

mikeo2: No.

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Tanthrix:

mikeo2: With HD, you can either record OTA ATSC stuff, QAM from cable, or firewire output from a cable box (in the US, at least)

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L0ng0n3:

Anyone will to talk to me about mythtv

[04:41:26]

L0ng0n3:

I am wanting to buld a box..

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_banyan:

is there a document about the key mappings and how those work?

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mikeo2:

ok, cause i got an ati hdtv wonder working with it, but it only gets 2 channels OTA... and was wondering if there was a way yet to record direct like cable card. i guess ill be waiting a while longer

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mikeo2:

what would you say is the best analog (cable) tv card?

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Tanthrix:

PVR-150.

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Tanthrix:

Or PVR-500 which is basically two 150s.

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_banyan:

or the 350 which has a tv out.

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Tanthrix:

250/350s are old news and aren't going to be supported as well.

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Tanthrix:

TV-out isn't worth bothering with either, compared to an nvidia card.

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mikeo2:

would the hardware mpeg2 encoder be worse than an analog non hardware encoder one?

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_banyan:

But only one recorder. Then again, that's probably enough. How many episodes of robot chicken do you need?

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mikeo2:

i have the cpu power

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keith4_:

mikeo2: a framegrabber?

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mikeo2:

yeah

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Tanthrix:

mikeo2: No, hardware encoding is superior.

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_banyan:

but why use it for encoding? the cards aren't very much more money.

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mikeo2:

just looking for the best picture quality

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mikeo2:

i have a leadtek tv2000xp but its getting old and doesn't work all the time

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Tanthrix:

mikeo2: Quality is generally better with hardware, and you get a lot less hassels. (Like no A/V sync issues, no dropped frames when your computer needs CPU somewhere else for a moment)

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mikeo2:

running a q6600 at 3.4ghz so that probably wouldn't be a problem... but if hardware ones have better image quality i guess the 150 might be in my near future

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keith4_:

wait until you start commercial flagging and transcoding

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keith4_:

and trying to play back HD

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keith4_:

your CPU won't seem so fast

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mikeo2:

problem would be if the stuff isn't multithreaded

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_banyan:

ro-bot chi-ken... that seth green dude must do a lot of acid.

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keith4_:

well, each commflag and transcode is a different process

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keith4_:

so myth looooooves multiple cores

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Tanthrix:

mikeo2: If you want quality, you should get a cable box with firewire output and see if you can get your channels outputted.

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_banyan:

cute little pony, apocalypse pony...

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_banyan:

my backend is actually not on my multi core machine, it's just on a 2.5 ghz pentium.

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_banyan:

and that is no sweat.

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_banyan:

I actually run BOINC on the same machine and that almost never is an issue.

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mikeo2:

so is this card decent? http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-150 . . . 4&sr=1-1

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mikeo2:

like would i notice a difference in image quality from a 4 year old tv2000xp rm?

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

in one of my slave backends I have a leadtek tuner

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floppyears:

and it doesn't have a hardware encoder, it uses a audio cable to send the audio to the sound card,

[05:06:16]

floppyears:

but the problem is that once the tuner starts recording the sound from the tuner doesn't stop even once the tuner has stopped recording :(

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floppyears:

any clues on how to fix this ?

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keith4_:

floppyears: why is that a problem?

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xris:

mikeo2: the pvr-150 is a good card. probably the best for analog tv.

[05:17:22]

floppyears:

keith4_: for example, right now I'm watching livetv, the sound coming out of the speakers is not in sync with the video

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floppyears:

in fact the sound is 10sec ahead of what is displayed by livetv

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keith4_:

odd

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Patina:

floppyears: You are probably hearing sound directly, through line-in and the video is recorded.

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Tanthrix:

mikeo2: It may not be much better picture quality than what you have now to make it worth it though, so don't expect magic. Crappy SD analog television is always crappy SD analog television ;)

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Patina:

Is there any sound on your recordings?

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floppyears:

Patina: no, there doesn't seem to be any sound in my recording :(

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Patina:

floppyears: common problem when you dont have hardware encoder

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floppyears:

Patina: do you know how to fix it ?

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Patina:

floppyears: There are some hints in the wiki, but it probably cant be fixed.

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Patina:

floppyears: Not in the wiki, it seems: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

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floppyears:

thanks Patina

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Hilikus_:

hey guys, i have an incomplete set of RC codes that work for my STB but i need to find a couple more keys, any suggestions on how to find those codes?

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Hilikus_:

im using lirc and the ones that i do have work fine

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gib:

I've been trying to get my ptv-305 card to work with Myth TV for 2 days. I thought all the blackbird drivers were loading OK, and I guess I was right because I discovered I can use my both xawtv and motv ok, but get a black screen when choosing "Watch TV" under MythTV.

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gib:

What does MythTV do differently that keeps it from working?

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Dagmar:

...mainly wishes you wouldn't use a framegrabber card.

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gib:

It is a card with hardware MPEG2, but it doesn't work on Video0 (without) or Video1 (with)

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ADS_Tech . . . uxe_-_PTV305

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gib:

I've read that wiki many a time :), but it doesn't go into much depth, and I don't seem to be having the firmware prob. It says it's loaded.

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L0ng0n3:

Is there anyone willing to talk to me about a setup I am thinking about.

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L0ng0n3:

???

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Dagmar:

No one.

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L0ng0n3:

looks like it

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floppyears:

does anybody here successfuly use a winfast 2000xp tuner card ?

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floppyears:

I'm having problems with the audio :(

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slango:

I typically set shows to record 5 minutes early and end 5 minutes late

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slango:

but what happens if I have two shows on the same channel that follow one another and I have rules like that set up?

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knowledgejunkie:

slango: the second show won't get recorded if you add the early/late adjustments to the rule (assuming the second show has a lower priority)

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Dagmar:

Well, there's currently some dodginess in that code

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Dagmar:

If you've got show A that goes from 8:00 to 9:00, and show B that goes from 9:00 to 10:00, if even if you have *two tuners* that would make it possible to record them both, if either is a "record at any time" it will postpone the goddamn thing.

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xris:

slango: there are two kinds of "record early/late" settings... one is "soft" (set in the global recording options, often referred to as pre/postroll), the other is "hard" (set in the recording schedule, called "start early / end late").

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xris:

soft padding won't get in the way of other recordings.

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GhostFreeman:

oh man

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__OpenGL__:

does anyone know what may be causing my burn audio cd function in mythmusic to be greyed out/unusable?

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directhex|work:

__OpenGL__, do you have cdrecord (or a replacement) installed?

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__OpenGL__:

yeah

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__OpenGL__:

mkisofs and cdrecord both installed

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__OpenGL__:

i didnt mention that the mp3cd option isnt greyed and can be used on suitably sized playlists, however the progress bar appears sticks at 2& for a few seconds then proudly says the cd is burnt when it isnt

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purserj:

hmmm

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_banyan:

Is there a good description of the key mappings, in terms of specifically where each meta-key is used?

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jimbalaya:

_banyan : i think so, at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Keybindings

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jimbalaya:

_banyan: also, i *think* that mythweb includes something like a complete key-mapping list ..... i know there's some keymapping configuration, but i don't know how complete/reliable it is

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_banyan:

yeah, my remote doesn't do what the keyboard equivalent does all the time.

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_banyan:

particularly in the watch recordings menu.

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_banyan:

e.g. the left key not only takes me out of the current show list but it moves me one entry up that list too.

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_banyan:

it'd actually be cooler to map the ir in the same menu as the keyboard instead of having to deal with the cooked lirc keystrokes.

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Patina:

_banyan: Take a look at your .lircrc

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Perdignus:

Hello – is there text mode alternative to mythtv-setup other than manually editing the DB?

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GreyFoxx:

No

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Perdignus:

Not sure I speak for others, but that might be nice someday, but I'm not complaining :)

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GreyFoxx:

I really don't see it anytime soon unless it's a user submitted patch or something

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GreyFoxx:

the vast majority either export the X display to another machine (directly or over ssh) or use vnc and such

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Perdignus:

I found this but I'm afraid to try it --> http://www.bucksch.org/1/projects/various/mythtv/setup-kylix/

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Perdignus:

for some reason I have trouble exporting the X display to a Windblows machine using either XMing or Hummingbird

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Perdignus:

at least when I use mytht-setup that is, other stuff works like AcidRip and Firefox

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GreyFoxx:

you have the opengl painter on maybe?

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Patina:

There is also the web interface for configuration.

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Perdignus:

is there a startup switch to disable the opengl painter when launching mythtv-setup?

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Cyrexion:

hey guys, is there a way to tell if the mythbox is currently recording (by looking at mythconverg)?

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GreyFoxx:

perid: you can use the -O switch

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GreyFoxx:

-O Themepainter=qt

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GreyFoxx:

maybe -O ThemePainter=qt

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Perdignus:

Thanks Greyfoxx

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Cyrexion:

"if MythTV is currently recording" I should say

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GreyFoxx:

I know you can get the info from the backend via the html status port and xml interface interface

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GreyFoxx:

not sure what specifically is in the database though

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Cyrexion:

oh yeah... forgot about that one... thanks for reminding me

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tank-man:

mythbackend --printsched | head -30, look at your schedule and see if it is recording

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Cyrexion:

tank-man: that is just for scheduled recordings, correct?

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tank-man:

yea. it cant record shows you havent told it to record

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tank-man:

and if you were watching live tv, i hope you would know that

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Cyrexion:

right..

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Cyrexion:

ok, fair enough.. thanks for the info guys

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linagee:

ack. i have to decide between a three way conflict where all the shows are good. flash gordon, numb3rs, and las vegas

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cal:

lin: break out the vcr for the 3rd show.. lol

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cal:

i am kind of lost on this whole transcoding thing.. i cant just copy an mpeg out of /myth/tv and play it on windows media playeR?

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cal:

last i checked, media player knows how to play mpegs :>

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GreyFoxx:

cal assuming it's an mpeg2 file sure you can assuming you have an mpeg2 decoder in windows

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cal:

it doesnt by default, grey?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

at least not in xp orearlier

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GreyFoxx:

no idea about Vista

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GreyFoxx:

if you install a DVD player and such you should have one, otherwise it might not have one

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cal:

mpeg3 but not mpeg2, huh?

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GreyFoxx:

they do provider mpeg3 audio support out of the box, but not mpeg2 video

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cal:

yeah i have a dvd player installed.

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cal:

so whats this transcoding business about then?

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GreyFoxx:

Mostly for space saving

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GreyFoxx:

2G mpeg2 recording could be 400–500Meg mpeg4

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cal:

why not have it record straight to mpeg4 instead of transcoding it later?

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cal:

or do i transcode on the fly?

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Rudd-O:

hello there guys

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GreyFoxx:

cal: it depends on the capture hardware

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GreyFoxx:

transcoding is cpu intensive

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directhex|work:

cal, because digital tv is already mpeg2, encoder capture cards capture mpeg2, and your cpu isn't good enough to encode convincing mpeg4 on the fly with a framegrabber

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Rudd-O:

hey guys

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Rudd-O:

question

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Rudd-O:

I issued this on my database

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Rudd-O:

update channel set videofilters='adjust=16:253:1.0:2:253:1.0'; update settings set data='adjust=16:235:0.45:16:240:1.0' where value='CustomFilters';

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cal:

directhex: makes sense

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Rudd-O:

as you can see my recording filters are the default for recording with bt848 cards

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Rudd-O:

but the image looks like crap

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Rudd-O:

dark parts of the picture collapse to black

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Rudd-O:

white parts look burnt

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Rudd-O:

what am I doing wrong?

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cal:

so i should be transcoding all my recorded shows though, it looks like its a good thing to do. no quality loss?

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Rudd-O:

can anybody help me?

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directhex|work:

cal, and WMP can play recordings if you a) have support for MPEG-TS (which is NOT the same as usual MPEG-PS used for dvds, but some decoders do both) b) support for MPEG2 video c) support for the right audio codec (typically mp2)

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GreyFoxx:

back when I used a bt card (5 years ago) with myth I didn't use any filters. have you tried with no filters at all ?

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cal:

direct: but if i transcode, it will be easier to play in media player?

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GreyFoxx:

probably not

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directhex|work:

cal, give http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10005&page=8 a read

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GreyFoxx:

myth transcodes into a nuv container than I don't think WMP understands

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Rudd-O:

greyfoxx I have tried with no filters but the manual says that adjust is applied anyway

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cal:

i thought it transcoded to standard mpeg4?

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directhex|work:

cal, transcoding gives no guarantees about the codecs installed at the other end either – and will definitely introduce codec artefacts unless your bitrate is massive

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Rudd-O:

when I purposefully disable it, I get deeper black and white range

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directhex|work:

cal, define "standard"

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GreyFoxx:

cal: nuv is acontainer like avi, not the codec

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Rudd-O:

but the problem is, I want to gamma correct on playback, and there is no gamma correction filter except for adjust, whose output values are FIXED

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GreyFoxx:

\myth can transcode into mpeg4/rtjpeg video inside a nuv container

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cal:

direct: it feels to me more and more like the filename extension doesnt tell you a whole lot anymore about a video. .mpeg , .avi, etc.

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directhex|work:

cal, correct

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GreyFoxx:

cal: It never has

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directhex|work:

cal, the extension defines the container format for convenience on windows. that is all

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GreyFoxx:

cal: What are you using to record ? are your recordings in mpeg2 ?

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directhex|work:

cal, how do you propose naming things? .avi-divx5-ac3 and .ogm-h264-vorbis?

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cal:

cant we all just get along and have a standard? hehe

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directhex|work:

cal, different containers were born of necessity. different codecs also

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cal:

is there a nice breakout somwhere of all the codecs and how they break down?

[14:53:01]

** cal checks wikipedia **

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tank-man:

doom9.org forums

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Perdignus:

Wow – did subscriptions at SchedulesDirect change? I only paid once but now I expire in June of 2008!

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directhex|work:

cal, wikipedia has several. prepare to be overwhelmed

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directhex|work:

Perdignus, yes.

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Dagmar:

ALphabet soup! Run away! Run away!

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Rudd-O:

OK, I have tried almost every combination

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cal:

hmm so divx is actually mpeg4

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Dagmar:

Sort of, and "mostly"

[14:54:25]

cal:

so i can play transcoded myth stuff with a divx player

[14:54:26]

Rudd-O:

and no combination yields me good recording quality and at the same time, gamma correction

[14:54:33]

gbee:

Perdignus: yeah, they extended existing subscriptions – it's now something like $20/year and existing members got a bonus for every day they had been subscribed

[14:54:42]

Dagmar:

Darn it

[14:54:43]

directhex|work:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264#Software_e . . . e_comparison is a list comparing just MPEG-4 Part 10 codecs

[14:54:53]

directhex|work:

cal, don't confuse container & codec

[14:54:56]

Dagmar:

I was feeling special because I was so lazy about subbing that when I got around to it it was already $20/year

[14:55:15]

cal:

direct: divx is a container. it uses the mpeg4 codec.

[14:55:21]

cal:

according to wikipedia lol

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directhex|work:

cal, the different containers define how the codec data is stored – a bit like how you can have the same files in a .zip or a .rar or a .tgz, you can have video streams in .avi, .mov, .asf, .ogm, and so on

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directhex|work:

cal, the divx container is a barely-supported extension to the avi container format

[14:56:17]

directhex|work:

cal, when people talk about divxm they typically mean avi container w/ divx video

[14:56:55]

Rudd-O:

guys, where cna I talk to a MythTV video expert that can dispel my doubts?

[14:57:12]

directhex|work:

cal, and there's no such thing as "the mpeg4 codec". there are two main mpeg4 video codec standards, with dozens of almost-compatible implementations

[14:57:12]

Rudd-O:

all I want to know is how to record with the best picture quality and broadest color/luma width

[14:57:16]

cal:

direct: yeah i am getting the concept now.

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directhex|work:

cal, mpeg4 part 10 is h264 (aka AVC) – implementations include x264 and nerodigital.

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cal:

direct: say WHAT? lol

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directhex|work:

cal, mpeg4 part 2 is "advanced simple profile", implementations include divx, 3ivx, xvid

[14:59:14]

directhex|work:

cal, video codecs and the like are immensely complex

[14:59:14]

Rudd-O:

hello?

[14:59:19]

Rudd-O:

is anyone reading me?

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BULLE:

Rudd-O: no

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cal:

dir: can they make it any more confusing lol

[14:59:34]

directhex|work:

Rudd-O, yes, but you're not going to achieve quality with a framegrabber

[14:59:46]

Rudd-O:

directhex|work: why not?

[14:59:52]

Rudd-O:

I don't want HDTV quality

[14:59:59]

Rudd-O:

but I do want my MythTV to at least MATCH my TV set!

[15:00:04]

directhex|work:

you'll be lucky to manage sdtv quality

[15:00:16]

Rudd-O:

and my TV set does NOT burn the whites and swallow the darks

[15:01:00]

Rudd-O:

maybe someone can explain to me why the adjust filter is used on bt8x8 cards by default?

[15:01:10]

Rudd-O:

how the filter operates

[15:01:23]

Rudd-O:

does it "cut off" luma/chroma values? does it map those values onto a different set?

[15:01:48]

directhex|work:

cal, the short version: containers contain video and audio. examples: avi, rm, qt, mpg. some containers restrict you on which codecs you can use, but generally speaking, there are commonly used pairings, for technical reasons

[15:02:05]

Rudd-O:

I understand that bt848 cards grab incorrect luma/chroma values, but what I don't understand is why when the adjust filter is enabled, blacks get screwed up, and whites get overblown

[15:02:17]

directhex|work:

cal, some codecs are pretty much interchangeable (e.g. xvid and divx will mostly play each others files), where they aim to follow a standard (mpeg4-asp in this example)

[15:02:28]

sphery:

Rudd-O: The reason you don't ask a "how to I use" MythTV question on #mythtv (dev channel) is because--even in #mythtv-users--you'll get help from the devs. GreyFoxx is one of those devs...

[15:02:36]

Rudd-O:

directhex|work: just paste a link to Wikipedia already

[15:02:56]

directhex|work:

Rudd-O, he misinterpreted the last one, why would a new one help?

[15:02:56]

sphery:

Rudd-O: But, what you really need is help from a BTTV user--who has done stuff to optimize his video recording.

[15:02:58]

Rudd-O:

sphery: I'm not asking "how to use myth" questions

[15:03:07]

Rudd-O:

sphery: great, where can I find one?

[15:03:20]

GreyFoxx:

They are few and far between

[15:03:23]

Rudd-O:

almost alll framegrabbers are BTTV based so I shouldn't have a problem finding one, right?

[15:03:35]

cal:

does mpeg2 use mp3 audio?

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directhex|work:

few "serious" mythtv users use framegrabbers

[15:03:41]

GreyFoxx:

the most knowledgable one who could likely answer your questions that I know of is Burce and he doesn't come on IRC

[15:03:44]

sphery:

You're asking, "How do I use Myth to record with good quality with my BTTV card," which is--to me--"How do I use Myth?"

[15:03:46]

BULLE:

sphery: best way i "optimized" my bttv video recording was to no use the tuner on the card, and feed it via supervideo instead, from a better tuner

[15:04:02]

directhex|work:

cal, mpeg2 is a video codec. the audio codec, and container for the mpeg2, are undefined

[15:04:05]

BULLE:

but basicly, you wont get that good quality with a bttv card, its as simple as that

[15:04:26]

directhex|work:

cal, DVD uses MPEG2 video for example, and typically uses AC3 (dolby digital), DTS, or PCM (uncompressed wave file) audio

[15:04:28]

GreyFoxx:

Rudd-O: If you post your questions to mythtv-users (mention bttv filters in the subject) there is a gentleman named Bruce Markey who is quite knowledgable about the bt filters

[15:04:31]

cal:

direct: well, it says this for mpeg1 : includes the popular Layer 3 (MP3) audio compression format.

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sphery:

Rudd-O: Also, changing the DB directly leaves a /lot/ of room for errors, so you may want to change things through the UI (at least as you're getting started).

[15:04:37]

cal:

so i wondered if it was true for mpeg2 also

[15:05:16]

sphery:

Rudd-O: Once you get it working well, then--if you are willing to take the risks/suffer the consequences--you can replicate the change via direct DB editing.

[15:05:31]

directhex|work:

cal, again, mpeg1 and mpeg2 define a whole lot of things.

[15:05:43]

cal:

yeah

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directhex|work:

cal, mpeg2 DOES include some audio functionality, but it's not often used with mpeg2 video

[15:05:46]

Rudd-O:

sphery: I know what I'm doing, I've been using mysql for 6 years and I don't have the time to go around fooling with several GUIs to test every possible combination

[15:06:10]

Rudd-O:

I already fucked the MythTV datbase in error, and it was a matter of restoring from a backup I made 2 hours ago

[15:06:19]

directhex|work:

cal, specifically, mpeg2 part 3 is an extension to mp3 (which is mpeg1 layer 3) and mpeg2 part 7 is AAC (default format for apple ipod)

[15:06:19]

BULLE:

cal: mpeg2 is a hole suite of specifications, of transport streams, sound, video, and there are also a bunch of different mpeg2 levels and profiles, that support different resolutions and quality etc

[15:06:34]

GreyFoxx:

Rudd-O: For some tables you can edit manually but if you edit the settings table you might have to restart the appropriate app

[15:06:36]

sphery:

Rudd-O: You've used mysql for 6 years to edit MythTV specific data with MythTV specific requirements?

[15:06:42]

GreyFoxx:

since myth caches values from the settings table

[15:06:46]

BULLE:

cal: what you "normaly" refer to as mpeg2, is i think medium level at medium profile or something like that, that is what a DVD uses

[15:06:46]

Rudd-O:

GreyFoxx: already took care of the restart with the script

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BULLE:

ml@mp

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Rudd-O:

and the frontend does not need a restart for the settings to take place

[15:06:59]

Rudd-O:

I have tested that

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cal:

direct: is that why we sometimes have syncing problems with audio? because its using a seperate stream rather then the built-in mpeg2 audio?

[15:07:15]

GreyFoxx:

Rudd-O: I wasn't talking about your filters, I was talking in general

[15:07:18]

Rudd-O:

basically my findings are: I have to DISABLE the adjust filter both in recording and in playback, otherwise if I don't, blacks are screwed, whites are burnt

[15:07:18]

directhex|work:

cal, define "we"

[15:07:25]

sphery:

It's quite possible to know everything there is to know about a DBMS and still break a DB (DBMS = MySQL, DB = mythconverg) or even the data within the DB.

[15:07:34]

directhex|work:

cal, and use tab completion on my username, it makes the conversation easier to follow as it highlights my name

[15:07:42]

GreyFoxx:

If you edt the settings table the value might not be seen until the app gets restarted due to myth's caching

[15:07:47]

Rudd-O:

but I badly need gamma correction because my monitor is too dark, and the brightness control in MythTV makes blacks look all washed out and whites too overblown

[15:07:53]

Rudd-O:

(the playback controls of course)

[15:08:11]

cal:

directhex|work : yes, sir. =)

[15:08:15]

Rudd-O:

GreyFoxx: forget about the restarting of the apps, I have that covered, I am CHANGING the settings and restarting the app and I'm SEEING the difference.

[15:08:24]

sphery:

Rudd-O: Does your video driver provide a gamma-correction? (I.e. like the NVIDIA driver with nvidia-settings.)

[15:08:39]

GreyFoxx:

Rudd-O: You missed my point, but oh well

[15:08:42]

Rudd-O:

sphery: the gamma correction provided by the video driver applies only to non-Xv outputs

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cal:

directhex|work : not anyone in particular, just from my own experience and what i have read on forums etc.

[15:09:00]

Rudd-O:

GreyFoxx: no, I didn't miss your point. I'm two or three steps ahead.

[15:09:09]

BULLE:

Rudd-O: so use the gamma correction for XV ?

[15:09:12]

Rudd-O:

I have an ATI radeon

[15:09:13]

GreyFoxx:

Rudd-O: No, you still miss it, but fine, carry on

[15:09:34]

Rudd-O:

the XvGamma parameter does not apply, gamma changes for a fraction of a second and goes back to 1.0

[15:09:56]

Rudd-O:

it's no secret that xvgamma is broken on ati

[15:10:07]

Rudd-O:

I already googled the bug reports and provided additional info on ubuntu's launchpad

[15:10:18]

directhex|work:

cal, every container keeps audio & video streams separately, and usually syncs them every X frames or seconds (depending on what's being used as a time base by the player app)

[15:10:18]

Rudd-O:

I think I even talked to one of the devs

[15:10:41]

Rudd-O:

so, any chance I can get an only-gamma filter for mythtv?

[15:10:46]

Rudd-O:

where should I look?

[15:10:58]

directhex|work:

cal, DVD is a good example. RIFF encapsulation, MPEG2 video (one or more streams), and a choice of audio stream formats (again, one or more)

[15:10:59]

Rudd-O:

I bet there must be one, tvtime includes one, kaffeine includes one, vlc includes one

[15:11:37]

cal:

directhex|work : okay... but you said mpeg-2 has kind of a built-in audio with it (even though its hardly ever used) .. so how is it "more" built-in than ac3, pcm, etc... if they are _always_ seperate streams?

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directhex|work:

cal, you have .mp3 files, right?

[15:12:16]

cal:

a few =)

[15:12:26]

directhex|work:

cal, but there's no video in them, right?

[15:12:46]

cal:

of course not, mr. obvious =)

[15:13:02]

sphery:

Nothing like spending hours trying to get a (not-often-used-anymore) frame-grabber working with a (no-available-good-drivers-yet) ATI video card. :)

[15:13:02]

directhex|work:

cal, "mp3" is an abbreviation for "mpeg-1 part 3 layer 3". mpeg-1 part 3 defines audio codecs

[15:13:31]

sphery:

Rudd-O: Available filters: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html#ss10.4 . If you want more, you'll have to code them.

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directhex|work:

cal, but that's distinct from any mpeg-1 video files you have – which are encoded using the "mpeg 1 part 2" video codec

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Rudd-O:

ok

[15:13:44]

Rudd-O:

sphery

[15:13:49]

Rudd-O:

so what do you recommend in the field of purchases?

[15:13:52]

Rudd-O:

what should I get?

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Rudd-O:

difficulty level: it must be USB2 because my computer is a 1U server

[15:14:21]

sphery:

I'm not saying you should get different hardware. I'm just saying your choice of hardware is probably one of the hardest combos to get working with good results.

[15:14:48]

sphery:

However, with a frame-grabber, it's technically possible to get better quality than from an MPEG-encoder (i.e. Hauppauge PVR-150).

[15:15:10]

cal:

directhex|work : okay so you were talking about the standards.. mpeg-1, mpeg-2 .. not mpeg video stream files, when you said "mpeg2 includes an audio format" .. got ya.

[15:15:24]

sphery:

The easiest video cards to use for output are (currently) the NVIDIA ones because the proprietary binary drivers are very good compared to the ATI proprietary drivers.

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directhex|work:

cal, precisely

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Rudd-O:

sphery: look, the grabber quality I am getting right now is close to SUPERB, and it's 720x480. It's the PLAYBACK that bothers me because my monitor is VERY dark.

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directhex|work:

cal, notably, it seems there's one extra audio format supported by dvd – mp2 (mpeg1 part 3 layer 2)

[15:15:52]

sphery:

Eventually, the ATI cards will probably be a better choice--unless NVIDIA also decides to open up specs on their GPU's.

[15:16:02]

Rudd-O:

I bet you cannot get the quality I'm getting with *my* card

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sphery:

I bet my HDTV quality (I only have HDTV) is generally better than yours. ;)

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directhex|work:

Rudd-O, i bet i can

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Rudd-O:

directhex|work: you mean if I give you my card, you will get better results than me?

[15:16:54]

Rudd-O:

then why aren't you giving me good advice?

[15:17:11]

directhex|work:

Rudd-O, oh. with your kit. christ, i've better things to do than revert to the analog dark-age

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sphery:

But, in general, the most-commonly used combo is a Hauppauge MPEG-encoder (typically the PVR-150) and an NVIDIA video card.

[15:17:27]

directhex|work:

when i was at school, then fine

[15:17:34]

Rudd-O:

directhex|work: poor me, I don't live in a country with HDTV broadcasts

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gbee:

digital !== HDTV

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Rudd-O:

so no matter what kind of hardware you boast about using, there isn't a way for me to use it

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directhex|work:

gbee, zomg, really?

[15:18:08]

Rudd-O:

I don't have digital broadcasts

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Rudd-O:

I don't have HDTV availability

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Rudd-O:

I don't have PCI slots

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cal:

gbee: meh.. if its in digital.. its almost always in hdtv =)

[15:18:26]

gbee:

directhex|work: unless you are in the good ole' US of A

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directhex|work:

cal, no, not really

[15:18:35]

Rudd-O:

anyway

[15:18:44]

Rudd-O:

gamma correction for mythtv anyone?

[15:18:53]

directhex|work:

<sphery> Rudd-O: Available filters: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html#ss10.4 . If you want more, you'll have to code them.

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gbee:

cal: not even remotely true, unless, as I say, you live in the USA

[15:19:03]

cal:

gbee: i do.. lol

[15:19:09]

gbee:

in the rest of the world we have digital SDTV

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cal:

ahh! didnt know that

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sphery:

Rudd-O: I'd say if the grabber quality isn't the problem, you should be applying filters only on playback (otherwise, you're "corrupting" the recording so it only looks good on your old TV that doesn't work well).

[15:19:27]

Rudd-O:

you could have just said "write one" and saved a few words, seeing as I already TOLD you that I read the manual

[15:19:36]

cal:

gbee: where are you exactly?

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Rudd-O:

sphery: that's exactly why I'm disabling explicitly the adjust filter, to get "pixel-by-pixel" recordings (yeah I know that's a misnomer but I basically mean tht the stream goes as unprocessed as possible to disk)

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Rudd-O:

but well, your advice was self-evident

[15:20:55]

Rudd-O:

sphery: plus I'm not using an old TV, but a compaq *monitor*

[15:21:26]

sphery:

I think that Europe did things correctly... They went digital, and left the HDTV transition as a separate transition.

[15:21:53]

gbee:

England – but I'm not generalising, the same is true for most of Europe, Asia, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa to name a few

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Dagmar:

Well, they didn't have a massive consortium of greedy fucks dragging their feet over there

[15:22:34]

cal:

gbee: do you pick up analog over the air too?

[15:22:44]

sphery:

Dagmar: well put

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gbee:

all Satellite and Cable in the UK is digital and we're transitioning the terrestrial network right now

[15:22:48]

Dagmar:

The transition in the US is being held up by companies that aren't going to lift a finger until they've figured out how to charge more money for the digital content

[15:23:16]

Dagmar:

I fully intend to violate the holy wonderfsck out of this 5C nonsense the moment it gets in my way

[15:23:17]

gbee:

cal: not any more, could if I wanted to but I'm using Digital OTA (DVB-T)

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directhex|work:

gbee, yay for freeview!

[15:23:36]

cal:

gbee: man how come the US is always behind lol

[15:23:38]

gbee:

~50 channels FTA OTA

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sphery:

Rudd-O: I guess all my advice is self-evident, so feel free to ignore me, but when you said, "10.12 10:46:53 < Rudd-O> update channel set videofilters='adjust=16:253:1.0:2:253:1.0'; update settings set data='adjust=16:235:0.45:16:240:1.0' where value='CustomFilters';" I thought you were applying filters during recording. But I'm not a MySQL expert.

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Rudd-O:

sphery: yes, that was when I was trying a *Default* recording configuration (which supposedly myth applies automatically), plus a direct value-to-value + luma gamma correction playback filter

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sphery:

cal: I really think much of the US being behind is due to trying to do a transition to digital and high-def all at once.

[15:24:59]

cal:

gbee: what sucks for me is i cant pick up NBC or CBS in digital because they are on vhf. the antennas are in the same place as the UHF digital stations, but VHF seems ot be much harder to pick up. :(

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Dagmar:

cal: Well, do you hold your UHF stations to the same standard of signal strength?

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Rudd-O:

that configuration supposedly 1) corrects a problem with bttv luma/chroma recording values 2) plays back gamma correcting with the adjust filter and attempting to match the input and output min/max values

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Dagmar:

I have yet to see a uHF signal that didn't suck

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sphery:

Europe will likely be using MPEG-4 AVC, rather than MPEG-2. They're looking at DVB2 (though I don't know what the difference is, it sounds more advanced than DVB--where ATSC is a heavily modified (so we don't have to worry about "not invented here") DVB).

[15:25:56]

Rudd-O:

when I pasted it on the channel, I thought it would be self-evident for the devs what I was trying to do

[15:26:14]

cal:

dag: eh? with digital.. either the station is showing up, or your screen is black. if it shows up, i am happy. =)

[15:27:09]

Dagmar:

VHF isn't some magically blessed thing

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sphery:

Rude-O: Seems your definition of "self-evident" differs from mine. (Or, perhaps it's because I'm not a dev.)

[15:27:22]

Dagmar:

Unless your'e somehow getting digital UHF brodcasts

[15:27:29]

cal:

i am

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Rudd-O:

sphery: perhaps you feel I'm being rude with my questions?

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directhex|work:

sphery, i think people will be pissed that their HD IDTVs will be unable to watch HD digital

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Dagmar:

Well, I suggest you look for sources of noise in your environment

[15:27:56]

Dagmar:

Like, PCs with big plastic EMI-permitting windows in them

[15:28:07]

Dagmar:

...and microwave ovens, and iPod FM transmitters

[15:28:13]

sphery:

Or perhaps it was a typo.

[15:28:45]

Rudd-O:

sphery: if you have read the filter section on the manual, and you have a basic understanding of how gamma correction works, and you undertand what the parameters for the adjust filter do, then reading the line I pasted would not have been hard

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cal:

i can get all digital UHF broadcasts. but not any of the digital VHF ones. .... and all the UHF / VHF towers are in the general same spot / direction from me.

[15:29:01]

Dagmar:

There's pretty much only one thing that gets broadcast over UHF here, and that's "propaganda"

[15:29:18]

Dagmar:

It's all Christian broadcasting, Home Shopping Nonsense, and FOX

[15:29:18]

Rudd-O:

my suspcion is that the adjust filter is clipping blacks and whites

[15:29:27]

sphery:

directhex|work: You mean if the transition were separate? I, personally, think the integrated tuner was a stupid requirement made by the FCC. How many people use the tuner in their TV set? Most get a cable/satellite STB. OTA STB's are available.

[15:29:27]

Dagmar:

Well, as long as it's clipping them equally.

[15:29:33]

cal:

i seem to need an outside antenna for vhf.. where i dont for uhf.

[15:29:36]

Rudd-O:

it's not

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Rudd-O:

and it should not be clipping them, it should be mapping them

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sphery:

Rudd-O: Sounds like you're the perfect person to write the patch to fix the code.

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sphery:

I've got plenty of my own patches in the works to care about writing a patch for a feature that's only used by a small subset of people. (I would say, "to care about writing a patch for a feature I won't use", but I've written more patches for features I don't use than for features I do.)

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Rudd-O:

sphery: that would be awesome, now all I have to do is chuck in months of C++ and video programming to do a simple patch

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Dagmar:

SOmeone has to

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directhex|work:

sphery, in europe?

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Rudd-O:

Dagmar: no one *has* to

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directhex|work:

sphery, where we have a robust selection of OTA channels?

[15:32:03]

sphery:

Oh, I see. You're time is far more valuable than that of the devs, like GreyFoxx or gbee...

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Dagmar:

Rudd-O: Well, I suppose we could hope for code abiogenesis, or just run patch -Np1 -i /dev/urandom until things work themselves out

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sphery:

directhex|work: Oh. I see. Over there, people actually do use their tuners. Here in the US, almost no one does, but the FCC still required all TV's to ship with an integrated digital tuner.

[15:32:57]

sphery:

directhex|work: So, yeah, I'll agree that over there, it may have been a different decision.

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Dagmar:

sphery: Because they're also mandating CAM slots by a certain date

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Rudd-O:

sphery: I don't know how valuable our time is, but I definitely know enough math to understand that, if you want a patch, and there is someone who could code it in two hours, and there is someone else who needs two or three months, ... see what I mean when I say "self-evident"?

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sphery:

legal CAM support would be a nice thing to have. (Probably won't ever happen here in the US, though.)

[15:33:41]

Dagmar:

...and if they didn't these manufacturers would surely keep shipping analog tuners

[15:34:19]

Dagmar:

Rudd-O: They clearly aren't experiencing the problem that you are.

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sphery:

Dagmar: I think we should limit the patch size. Perhaps something like: dd if=/dev/urandom of=- bs=1k count=4 | patch -Np1

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directhex|work:

sphery, i have an IDTV with 30-odd channels (the good ones we get in the uk) and a CAM slot

[15:34:44]

sphery:

Though perhaps the patch size should be random, itself.

[15:34:47]

Dagmar:

sphery: Pfft. Then you might only get half a patch

[15:34:49]

Dagmar:

That would suck

[15:34:50]

Rudd-O:

Dagmar: they clearly aren't. Odd that the VLC devs, the Kaffeine devs, the MythTV devs all experienced it, though.

[15:35:18]

Dagmar:

Rudd-O: Oh well.

[15:35:21]

Dagmar:

Sucks to be you.

[15:35:30]

sphery:

Dagmar: Good point. Perhaps we could dump "all" of the data from /dev/urandom and then apply it in varying amounts until we find the right section.

[15:35:44]

Dagmar:

sphery: I hear computers are real good at tedious tasks like that

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directhex|work:

sphery, the reception where i live is shit, but it's nice. it also means i use a pair of DVB-T cards (like gbee) to capture high-bitrate mpeg2 straight out of the sky. for real things like movies & decent shows, not the god channel

[15:36:28]

directhex|work:

in fact, you need to much around with installing a satellite dish to get the god channel!

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Dagmar:

Of course you do

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Rudd-O:

well, if the reception of ideas here is gonna be so bad, perhaps someone else will come along and report the bug

[15:37:04]

Dagmar:

If televangelists were really interested in reaching everyone, they'd have fewer circular driveways and more terrestrial antennas

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directhex|work:

Rudd-O, which bug? what's the ticket number in svn?

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sphery:

Dagmar: It gets more complicated... I just tried capturing data from /dev/urandom on 2 different machines and it was different. I'm not sure if I just started reading at a different point or if they're actually different. Sounds like we should have a new BOINC project to work on this...

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Rudd-O:

directhex|work: there is no ticket number, because I haven't reported any bug, because I first came here to solve a few doubts trying to understand if the adjust filter was actually operating correctly

[15:38:05]

Rudd-O:

but since no one seems to be able to explain it, and most of the advice I received was dismissive

[15:38:14]

sphery:

directhex|work: That's really cool that you all can get real channels. I get locals (affiliates of national networks), but no movie channels or "cable" channels.

[15:38:22]

Rudd-O:

(hey, apparently explaining things already in wikipedia seems top priority)

[15:38:53]

directhex|work:

sphery, http://www.freeview.co.uk/channels/?__SITE=pu . . . [0]=channels is the list

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Rudd-O:

maybe someone else with C++ experience, a framegrabber like the millions out there, and an average eyesight will code the patch

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Rudd-O:

aren't we 6 thousand million people in the world, after all?

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directhex|work:

and every one of them desperate to code patches for Rudd-O!

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sphery:

Rudd-O: You did get some excellent advice from GreyFoxx... Send a message to the (much-higher-circulation) mythtv-users mailing list and see if anyone else can help.

[15:40:07]

sphery:

Bruce Markey knows a /lot/ of the details of the software-encoding filters. He also has spent an inordinate amount of time working on getting the best quality from his BTTV capture cards.

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Rudd-O:

Fantastic

[15:40:21]

Rudd-O:

first lead

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Rudd-O:

thanks

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sphery:

Cory Papenfuss has spent a great deal of time disecting video output methods to determine the best approaches for high-quality output (especially using TV out).

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sphery:

Rudd-O: first lead was 37 minutes ago and from GreyFoxx.

[15:42:03]

sphery:

Rudd-O: Then GreyFoxx kept saying, "I think you missed what I said," and you kept saying, "I'm way ahead of you."

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sphery:

Perhaps that was the issue. Had you been with him, you would have seen his comment.

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Rudd-O:

he said BURCE

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Rudd-O:

you know I googled that, and nothing came up

[15:48:20]

Rudd-O:

I have just sent bRUce an e-mail. Let's see if I can get a good conversation flowing through e-mail.

[15:48:23]

Rudd-O:

thanks anyway

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gnome42:

hmm, should a 128MB vid card be enough to run at 1680x1050 at 24 bit colour? desktop is fine but mythfrontend just gives X errors.

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Dagmar:

Can you do math?

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directhex|work:

(he's going to ask you to do 1680x1050x3, and compare the result to 134217728)

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gnome42:

I need a calculator for that :)

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teemer:

evening all

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fiXXXerMet:

I'm about to buy some hardware for my myth backend. I'll be using an asus p2b-dc motherboard with 1GB ECC ram and 2 P3 800's. I'd like to put two PVR-500's in there. Think I'll have enough power to record/watch 4 channels at a time?

[15:57:58]

teemer:

any uk peeps having issues playing back Virgin1 recordings?

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directhex|work:

teemer, yes, everyone

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fiXXXerMet:

Also, I plan on doing a raid-5 with 4x 500gb sata2 drives, for a total of 1.5TB. how many hours should I be able to store?

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directhex|work:

fiXXXerMet, with what raid controller?

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teemer:

directhex|work: really? so it's crap in the stream then?

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fiXXXerMet:

directhex|work: I'll be using software raid (mdadm) but a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816102062 card for the ports

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gnome42:

directhex|work: I originally did 1680x1050x24 which came out to about 42MB. Which means that it should be doable?

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teemer:

fiXXXerMet: depends what bitrate you use as to how uch space it'll need. the default is about 2mbits IIRC

[16:00:48]

fiXXXerMet:

Is there a calculator out there that I can plug some info into for this?

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teemer:

2 megabits per second. one byte equals eight bits.. one gigabyte equals one thousand million bytes.. ;)

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fiXXXerMet:

That's for standard-def?

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teemer:

yeah

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fiXXXerMet:

What about hd?

[16:02:44]

teemer:

pvr500 cards can't grab HD

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fiXXXerMet:

I know

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fiXXXerMet:

I don't even have a HD tv yet but it might be worth getting the cards now anyway

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teemer:

but in the USA, HD tends to max out at 18mbits/sec

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gnome42:

directhex|work: You said "1680x1050x3" – what's the x3 about?

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teemer:

rumour has it that it generally goes about 8GB/hour

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directhex|work:

gnome42, 24 bits per pixel means 24/8=3 bytes per pixel

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directhex|work:

gnome42, you measure your memory in bytes, not bits

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gnome42:

doh, right! :/

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fiXXXerMet:

thanks teemer

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gnome42:

directhex|work: thanks :)

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directhex|work:

gnome42, what card did you say you were using?

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gnome42:

cheapo en7300LE 128 MB

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directhex|work:

hm. no ideas then \o/

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teemer:

128MB would be enough surely

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teemer:

ah but then think about this.. there's more than one surface to think about, so maybe you need 1680x1050x24x???

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gnome42:

teemer: yeah, that's what I thought. Thanks Must be a bug or config issue.

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teemer:

btw fiXXXerMet there's a bitrate calc here (thanks google!) http://www.videohelp.com/calc.htm

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fiXXXerMet:

I didn't know what to search for :(

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fiXXXerMet:

Which is why my question was so shobbly put together

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teemer:

bitrate calculator. ffs

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** teemer takes another pill **

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teemer:

or you could just work it out like this.. 4 500gb disks gives you 1500GB in RAID5 (ish)

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fiXXXerMet:

Right

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teemer:

looks like enough for around 80 days non-stop at 2mbits/sec

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teemer:

or not. my brain is fried

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ALVAN:

hi all

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ALVAN:

what should i set for audio device in mythfrontend ?

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ALVAN:

i dont hear no sound using the defaults

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ALVAN:

my tv tunner sound card is the second

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ALVAN:

and the onboard sound card is the first

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teemer:

ALVAN: I'd hazard a guess that the default usually just works unless you have (dan dan dahhhhhhh!) 2 soundcards or more

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ALVAN:

teemer, i have 2

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ALVAN:

one isform tv_tunner and one from motherboard

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ALVAN:

s/isform /is from

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ALVAN:

teemer, normally once i got a tv-tunner i already have 2 soundcards by default

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ALVAN:

is a PCI 2.3 tv tunner

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ALVAN:

so the audio device should be /dev/dsp and mixer /dev/mixer1 ?

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ALVAN:

or backwards

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ALVAN:

audio device /dev/dsp1 and mixer /dev/mixer

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ALVAN:

teemer, also another question in wahtchin with mythtv how i browse channels

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ALVAN:

there is no standard <page-up > , <Up > thing here

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ALVAN:

how can i go to next channel then came back ?

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ALVAN:

num pad ??? i must not enter nothing after it

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ALVAN:

only type 2 will go to channel 2 ?

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coreyo:

is there a way to have a mythtv frontend on one computer connect to the mythtv backend on another machine and watch the movies recorded there?

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ALVAN:

coreyo, use mplayer to connect to a mythtv backend

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teemer:

ALVAN: that's abit of a RTFM question really

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teemer:

but a hint lies on the arrow keys :P

[16:22:36]

coreyo:

ALVAN, you mean something like "mplayer backendip:6543" or something like that?

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sphery:

coreyo: MythVideo files must be "locally" accessible, so if you share the directory in which they're located (using NFS or CIFS) to the same location on all frontends, you can play videos anywhere.

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teemer:

the *same* *location* part is important

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ALVAN:

sphery, mythtv cant stream other http ?

[16:24:44]

teemer:

mythvideo, mythmusic & mythgallery all need the files to be local

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ALVAN:

teemer, oi i will read more ..i did not read all the Keybindgs part

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coreyo:

sphery, so I couldn't just mount the shared directory as /mnt/mythtv and change the store of my local mythfrontend to point to it

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sphery:

Aval0n: mythtv only streams recordings it made (and, then, I think it's only if they're NUV or MPEG-2, not "others" like AVI's that you've imported as if they were recorded).

[16:26:07]

sphery:

coreyo: Right.

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sphery:

Aval0n: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1

[16:26:31]

sphery:

for keybindings help

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sphery:

some have changed (and patches are appreciated), but it's a good start

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ALVAN:

sphery, ok thanks i am already reading http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Keybindings

[16:27:50]

sphery:

coreyo: the "absolute" filepath is stored in the DB for the MythVideo files, so you'll have to have the files in the exact same place.

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ALVAN:

so i must be in LiveTV Browse Mode to go around channels

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sphery:

LiveTV browse mode means channel up/down doesn't change channels, but just shows the info about what's on the up/down channel.

[16:29:13]

sphery:

Then, to change channels you would hit select

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sphery:

If not in browse mode, channel up/down changes channels (which can take anywhere from 1 to 10 seconds), so generally people enable browse mode.

[16:30:05]

sphery:

Also, you can use the electronic program guide (EPG) to see far more at once than you can see in browse mode.

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ALVAN:

sphery, ok but about audio output

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ALVAN:

it should work by default with every tv tunner ?

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ALVAN:

i have edit and set the config the v4l settings the video source settings

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ALVAN:

and in frontend tried to change audio sound and mixer device

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ALVAN:

with no success

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ALVAN:

i msut enable someting else

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ALVAN:

for example when i used xdt or xawtv i had to mux the sound with sox to get it working

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ALVAN:

sphery, to stream tv over http in mythtv i must enable some other setting ?

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bieb:

I saw someone mention they are running myth front ends on diskless workstations.. Can someone tell me where the diskless workstations are purchsed from?

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: You said, "Burce" the first time (and no last name), Rude-O (not a typo) ignored you, you tried to get him to notice the suggestion and gave far more details and said, "Bruce Markey" and he ignored you. Now that he can't use the -dev channel for support, he's trying a direct e-mail to Bruce. Anyway, I just had to point out that you were right even though he's left the channel.

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sphery:

bieb: most are probably home-built solutions. The mythtv-users mailing list is probably the best source of information. (Searchable archives: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ ; To subscribe: http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ).

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bieb:

cool.. thanks sphery

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sphery:

ALVAN: With the right configuration audio will just work. There are a lot of details about configuration that are specific to your system configuration.

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coreyo:

sphery, sounds like a good feature request to me

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sphery:

ALVAN: Also, there is no additional configuration that's required to stream recordings (including LiveTV).

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ALVAN:

sphery, so where should i connect using http ? for example with mplayer

[16:40:57]

sphery:

coreyo: I think the plan is to dump MythVideo and instead integrate non-recorded video (and audio, a la MythMusic) for management by the backend and playback by (local or remote) frontends even if streaming is required.

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sphery:

coreyo: You'll probably find someone's feature request for streaming MythVideo files at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_Wishlist (if not, feel free to add it), but I think especially MythVideo should disappear and become just another part of MythTV (not a separate plugin).

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ALVAN:

sphery, reagarding audio i have tried many times ... "right " sounds very far away i need a way to debug

[16:43:15]

sphery:

ALVAN: mythbackends only stream to mythfrontends. If you want to stream to something else, you'll have to do it with something else (i.e. vlc)

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gbee:

that's what we've discussed, but plans change all the time because someone else wants to go another direction and has enough free time to get their idea finished first

[16:43:36]

sphery:

(Though--especially in trunk--there's some support for UPnP from the frontend.)

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coreyo:

sphery, that probably wouldn't be a bad idea

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ALVAN:

sphery, hm not vlc .. i have tryed it but it gives delays on audio

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ALVAN:

sphery, do you know someting else

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gbee:

UPNP in trunk gives you access to music, video and I'm pretty sure recordings too using any UPNP compatible client

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** sphery wonders if gbee has a highlight on MythMusic or something... :) **

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gbee:

sphery: heh, nah, just happened to check in on IRC just as you were mentioning it

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sphery:

ALVAN: I actually play back MythTV recordings/videos with, er, MythTV, so I don't have any other suggestions.

[16:45:24]

ALVAN:

sphery, i have tried ffserver from ffmpeg and many others ..and i did not find a good streaming program

[16:45:34]

ALVAN:

sphery, oki

[16:45:48]

sphery:

doesn't ffserver always transcode? If so, that's probably why you had audio sync issues.

[16:45:59]

ALVAN:

that was with vlc

[16:46:09]

ALVAN:

with ffserver it did not even start

[16:46:41]

ALVAN:

i got POST errors when i called ffmpeg -i file.avi http://ip:8090/test.avi

[16:47:10]

ALVAN:

on ffmpeg site it saied was not udner development for over a year ...

[16:47:12]

sphery:

Well, I don't use either, so I won't be any help.

[16:47:20]

ALVAN:

s/site/channel

[16:47:36]

sphery:

The best thing for MythTV playback is MythTV.

[16:48:16]

sphery:

You may want to look at Freevo as an alternative, though, because they took the "integrate a bunch of other programs" approach rather than the "build an all inclusive program" approach.

[16:48:35]

ALVAN:

sphery, so i must connect with mythfrontend to a backend server and it will work

[16:48:46]

sphery:

I haven't used Freevo, myself, though, because I like Myth's all-in-one approach.

[16:48:47]

ALVAN:

ok i will look

[16:49:09]

sphery:

Right. If using mythfrontend to get recordings from mythbackend, it works.

[16:49:10]

ALVAN:

sphery, problem is i can install mythtv on all the people i want to stream for

[16:49:52]

ALVAN:

*cant

[16:50:17]

Dagmar:

You install MythTV on *people* now? Cool!

[16:50:51]

sphery:

lol

[16:51:08]

sphery:

The annoying part is they can't walk away from that cable TV outlet...

[16:51:32]

ALVAN:

Dagmar, hehe:)

[16:52:06]

ALVAN:

Dagmar, that saying woould not be a problem :P ..but if i dont have any audio sucks

[16:52:38]

sphery:

ALVAN: since you have two capture cards, you just need to specify the right device and mixer device (which means knowing your system config).

[16:53:16]

sphery:

ALVAN: But, for an easy approach that's likely to just work, type in "ALSA:default" for the audio output device and "default" for the mixer device (no quotes on either)

[16:53:40]

ALVAN:

so audio_output should be the speakers meaning first sound card and mixer the second card right ?

[16:54:07]

sphery:

You'll still have to use the OSS-compatibility layer for recording (i.e. /dev/dsp*) with a frame-grabber card. (So make sure you have the OSS-compatibility modules installed.)

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ALVAN:

i compiled my kernel with those so they are there

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sphery:

ALVAN: No. You need the mixer that applies to the same sound card you're using to output to the speakers. You mix on playback, not on recording (otherwise, how do you turn down the volume of something pre-recorded.)

[16:54:55]

laga:

btw, mythbuntu release candidate was released: http://www.mythbuntu.org </spam>

[16:55:24]

sphery:

ALVAN: there and installed in the running kernel are both important

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sphery:

laga: I'd say that's not spam...

[16:56:02]

ALVAN:

they are lsmod |grep oss ouputs : snd_seq_oss . snd_pcm_oss etc

[16:56:04]

sphery:

(at least not here--perhaps if posted to #freevo or something ;)

[16:56:10]

sphery:

cool

[16:56:29]

sphery:

But, for playback (frontend audio configuration, try the ALSA devices I mentioned)

[16:56:36]

laga:

sphery: i just wasn't sure if anyone had mentioned it earlier.

[16:57:01]

ALVAN:

sphery so i must use the first sound card in both audio and mixer settings and it should work ?

[16:57:21]

ALVAN:

or in the second ?

[16:57:25]

sphery:

But, as often as we have to repeat stuff about, i.e. Zap2It/Schedules Direct, etc., it probably doesn't hurt to repeat. :)

[16:57:43]

laga:

sphery: yes. heh.

[16:57:44]

sphery:

ALVAN: depends on which is the first sound card and which is the second.

[16:58:30]

ALVAN:

oki the first one is a onboard card and the second one is from the tv tunner

[16:58:47]

sphery:

If you have a system that has a "sound card" in the capture card , it could be /dev/dsp0 (with no mixer) and your real sound card could be /dev/dsp1, but have mixer /dev/mixer0

[16:59:02]

sphery:

So, those numbers are meaningless. You just have to have the right ones specified.

[16:59:08]

sphery:

But, just use the ALSA thing, instead.

[16:59:17]

sphery:

"ALSA:default" and "default"

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ALVAN:

oki

[17:00:46]

ALVAN:

where can i set ALSA:default in mythtv i dont see them audio-output settings or mixer settings

[17:02:34]

ALVAN:

or is this in v4l settings

[17:04:21]

sphery:

mythfrontend settings under TV settings|Playback

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ALVAN:

ah oki thanks

[17:05:40]

ALVAN:

and the v4l settings in mythtv-setup are oki to the one selected by default as /dev/dsp

[17:06:13]

gbee:

general settings surely? or should I stop being lazy and read scrollback?

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ALVAN:

sphery, working more i have some sound but only if i set in v4l settings on mythtv-setup the audio to /dev/dsp1

[17:07:48]

ALVAN:

i did not manage yet to browse the channels :P

[17:08:03]

ALVAN:

to see the exact sound quality

[17:08:54]

ALVAN:

it is showing the first channel which has a weak signal

[17:10:25]

ALVAN:

sphery, thanks for the help

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ALVAN:

sphery, how can i activate LiveTV Browse Mode :) ?

[17:21:04]

ALVAN:

or how can i enter it ?

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floppyears:

sphery: what does that do ?

[17:23:08]

jams:

i believe the o key enters browse mode. There is also a setting to always enable browse.

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sphery:

gbee: I think you're right--it's in general setting, not TV playback.

[17:28:27]

gbee:

"always browse" should probably be the default if it isn't already

[17:29:33]

sphery:

gbee: At least in trunk, "Always use Browse mode when changing channels in LiveTV" is the default.

[17:29:39]

gbee:

sphery: wasn't sure you were talking about the same thing, but the audio config is under the general settings since it's used by the plugins too (and optionally any audio feedback that is implemented in the mythtv ui at some point in the future)

[17:30:34]

gbee:

sphery: ahh, good – I honestly can't remember what most of the defaults are anymore, been a couple of years now since I last setup a new frontend

[17:30:43]

sphery:

Yeah. I was too lazy to look at the code and thought my memory was better than it is. :)

[17:30:53]

sphery:

Did look at the code for the default, though.

[17:31:35]

sphery:

Also defaults to true in 0.20-fixes, so your system should be set up to use browse mode by default, ALVAN .

[17:32:31]

sphery:

ALVAN: So, you should be able to just hit up/down arrow keys to browse channels (in the OSD), then enter to change channel.

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tuxi:

hi

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gbee:

heh, I've not been paying close attention to the thread but looks like the XMLTV devs are discussing implementing a feature in XMLTV which already exists (guess they've forgotten)

[17:35:14]

tuxi:

playing tv in fullscreen results an "quaking" picture for me

[17:35:19]

tuxi:

anyone know how to fix?

[17:37:22]

gbee:

tuxi: you aren't running compiz/beryl are you? They cause all sorts of problems with video

[17:37:35]

tuxi:

no dont think so

[17:37:42]

tuxi:

its an kubuntu feisty default install

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tuxi:

and an svn build

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gbee:

ok, well that was about as far as I'm prepared to guess tonight, but good luck solving the problem

[17:39:40]

tuxi:

O_o

[17:40:06]

tuxi:

if i record the live tv and watch it with kaffeine the video seems to be ok

[17:40:41]

tuxi:

its even okay in the preview window

[17:41:11]

tuxi:

perhaps mythtv cant deal with 1280x1024 ?

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ALVAN:

jams, i hit "o" and it shows a red line with Adding unknown channel toghether with the time in the top right corner

[17:44:44]

ALVAN:

and not up down allowed

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ALVAN:

someone knows in the database how i can eanble always LiveTV Browse Mode or in the settings

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gbee:

tuxi: mythtv can handle any resolution – more likely to be related to refresh rates or something like deinterlacing

[17:52:22]

floppyears:

hi guys, I'm having problem with a software encoder based tuner :(

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floppyears:

my recordings have no audio :(

[17:52:41]

gbee:

not an expert on graphics related issues, so I can't help

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isomorphism:

Hi folks. I switched my Hauppauge PVR-500 to a different PCI slot. mythbackend.log reports "(/dev/video1 ) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding". Any suggestions?

[17:52:42]

floppyears:

and when I play livetv through that tuner the audio is 5 seconds ahead of the video :(

[17:53:07]

floppyears:

isomorphism: check lspci and see the output of that

[17:53:21]

floppyears:

isomorphism: also dmesg | less should show you whether the card is being recognized

[17:53:57]

gbee:

floppyears: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

[17:54:20]

tuxi:

gbee: are 85hz proberply to high?

[17:56:10]

fysa:

are you doing TV/Svideo-out?

[17:56:13]

fysa:

or DVI/VGA?

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tuxi:

vga

[17:57:06]

fysa:

to a CRT?

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floppyears:

gbee: I tried that with no luck :(

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tuxi:

yes

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fysa:

instead of doing 85hz, you're better off doing something that is divisible by the fps of video you watch

[17:57:52]

gbee:

tuxi: like I said, I'm no expert, I'm not even close – TV refreshes at 50–60hz, you are usually ok if using a multiple of those figures, but the picture can degrade using a higher or lower refresh rate than the source video

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gbee:

^^ what fysa said

[17:58:26]

fysa:

24fps * 3 = 72hz

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fysa:

or 24fps * 4 = 96hz

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gbee:

floppyears: all the same, that's your problem so you just need to figure out what you are doing wrong

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fysa:

or if it's PAL, then 75hz

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floppyears:

gbee: but mythtv is known to work well with tuner cards that don't have hardware encoder ?

[18:00:47]

tuxi:

fysa: dvb-s

[18:00:49]

gbee:

floppyears: yes, it works well, but framegrabbers are much harder to setup

[18:01:15]

floppyears:

gbee: thanks, I just wanted to make sure before I spent quite a bit of time setting it up.

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fysa:

nvidia?

[18:01:59]

tuxi:

yes

[18:02:05]

fysa:

check CPU usage while video is playing

[18:02:17]

tuxi:

okay will try

[18:02:20]

fysa:

if X11 has a ton of CPU usage, you may need to tweak your xorg.conf

[18:02:33]

fysa:

you can find tips for nvidia+mythtv on the mythtv wiki I believe — just google something along those lines

[18:02:39]

gbee:

when mythtv was first started framegrabbers were the only available capture cards, but we generally don't recommend them any more since hardware encoders tend to have better drivers, use much less system resources and are much easier to install and configure

[18:02:40]

fysa:

and you should see example Option lines for xorg.conf

[18:03:17]

fysa:

also make sure you're using the nvidia proprietary driver and not the open source version

[18:03:28]

gbee:

you'll probably see framegrabbers referred to as "lamegrabbers", childish it might be, but it's pretty accurate all the same

[18:04:04]

tuxi:

30 % usage should be okay i think

[18:04:31]

iamlindoro:

Hahaha, good thing juski sin't present, he would have spoken up on that by now :)

[18:04:34]

iamlindoro:

er isn't

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kslater:

framegrabbers are dirt cheap and for good reason. Unless your time is worthless, you're better off spending an extra $50 to get an MPEG2 hw encoder.

[18:06:28]

ALVAN:

gbee, do you know in which table in the mythconverg database i can activate LiveTV Browse Mode

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Hilikus_:

hi guys

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ALVAN:

i better do this then search through the docs for it ...ther then keybindigs wiki i cant find other helpfull

[18:07:34]

gbee:

ALVAN: easier to do it through the settings – TV Settings > Playback

[18:08:10]

gbee:

ALVAN: no settings in mythtv need editing directly in the database, most of them are in the settings table though should you feel the need

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Hilikus_:

im having a problem with my pvr-150, everything i record has a hiss. someone told me it probably was due to a ground loop between the STB and the computer, but i connected them on the same plug and it still didnt get better

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ALVAN:

gbee i look there but i could not see no channel type changing related.. is it in part 2 ?

[18:10:39]

sphery:

ALVAN: it defaults to enabled

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sphery:

It's also the exact same wording I used before...

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sphery:

"Always use Browse mode when changing channels in LiveTV"

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Hilikus_:

any ideas?

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ALVAN:

sphery, hm default dont work for me in mythtv-0.20.2

[18:12:37]

sphery:

What you described above is browse mode: "i hit "o" and it shows a red line with Adding unknown channel toghether with the time in the top right corner"

[18:12:57]

sphery:

You don't get that when you just hit up/down?

[18:13:30]

sphery:

If not, you changed the default, so go into Playback settings (almost the very last page) and find the setting whose label is "Always use Browse mode when changing channels in LiveTV" and enable it.

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ALVAN:

spehry after i hit o and then hit up/down does not do nothing

[18:14:03]

sphery:

you may have changed keybindings, then.

[18:14:11]

sphery:

But, try without hitting o

[18:14:18]

sphery:

should be able to just hit up/down

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ALVAN:

sphery, dont work

[18:15:43]

sphery:

Then check your keybindings.

[18:16:18]

sphery:

The code in Myth that handles it seems to work as I haven't heard of any issues with this in years, so your configuration must be changed.

[18:16:28]

sphery:

You are using a keyboard, right, and not a remote?

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ALVAN:

sphery, yes

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ALVAN:

PLayback settings in

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sphery:

Remotes introduce a whole additional level of mapping complexity, so best to start with keyboard

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sphery:

TV|Playback

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sphery:

in mythfrontend

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sphery:

Once in playback settings, you'll find it at either the last page or very near to it (and there are a lot of pages)

[18:18:05]

sphery:

(where pages is probably more properly, "screens")

[18:18:15]

ALVAN:

mythfrontend>Utilities/Setup>Setup>TV Settings>PLayback

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Hilikus_:

does anyone here use a hauppauge pvr 150?

[18:18:30]

ALVAN:

i go there and i dont see no "Always use Browse mode when changing channels in LiveTV"

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sphery:

did you hit Next about 10 times?

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ALVAN:

sphery, yes

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sphery:

there are multiple screens for that one setting

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iamben:

Hilikus_: i've got a 250, its pretty close

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ALVAN:

are only 2 parts with PLayback

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Hilikus_:

iamben hows your sound?

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iamlindoro:

Kilikus, I have two, good sound on both

[18:19:48]

georgek:

ALVAN, to answer your question, look in mythconverg.settings value LIKE 'PersistentBrowseMode'

[18:19:55]

iamben:

Hilikus_: glorious

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Hilikus_:

damnit

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sphery:

ALVAN: Playback is the name of the whole group of settings.

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Hilikus_:

i have a damn hiss

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sphery:

It's on the page titled "OSD settings"

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ALVAN:

sphery, i have hit next until finish

[18:20:28]

sphery:

ALVAN: and please don't change the DB directly. That's /never/ the right answer.

[18:20:30]

Hilikus_:

did you guys have it and fixed it or never had it?

[18:20:31]

ALVAN:

and i did not see nothing with "Live" on it

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iamlindoro:

Never had a hiss, sorry to be no help...

[18:21:03]

ALVAN:

sphery, i know .. i have changed many but is easier to me

[18:21:19]

sphery:

ALVAN: page is called, "On-screen display"

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iamlindoro:

Hilikus, can you cut out a few seconds of something and upload it somewhere so that others can hear the sound?

[18:21:40]

Hilikus_:

iamlindoro how do i do that?

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ALVAN:

sphery, ah finally i see it is there :P

[18:21:59]

iamlindoro:

Erm, record something for like five seconds, then stop it, then upload it somewhere?

[18:22:01]

ALVAN:

i dont know how i missied it

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sphery:

But, when changing stuff directly in the DB, you risk breaking things unless you're intimately familiar with MythTV/MythTV settings/MythTV settings requirements. And, if you are intimately familiar with those things, you know that changing the data in the DB is not the right approach.

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ALVAN:

sphery, the option is marked

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ALVAN:

and i cant go to next channel with up/down

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sphery:

ALVAN: then your keybindings are changed

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sphery:

ALVAN: use MythControls (under Utilities/Setup

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cheshair:

hi guys! i'm working on my brand new debian-sid mythtv installation: where am i supposed to put movies and music to make mythtv see them?

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iamlindoro:

Wherever you want, then set it to that directory in the settings

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sphery:

cheshair: in the directory you've configured MythVideo/MythMusic to use

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cheshair:

sphery: that's the point: i can't precisely understand where i may have those configurations: from the mythfrontend panel?

[18:26:45]

iamlindoro:

Yes, in setup for music and video respectively in frontend

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ALVAN:

georgek, thanks ... sphery PersistentBrowseMode | 1 | in database

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cheshair:

iamlindoro: thanks, i'll check it immediately

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iamlindoro:

Should be "General" settings for both

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laga:

hey, if you wanna digg the new mythbuntu RC, please do so here: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Release_Candidate_2

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cheshair:

iamlindoro: mythfrontend > utilities > video manager ---> i am told "no videos found"

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sphery:

ALVAN: However, editing the DB is always the wrong choice.

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iamlindoro:

Yes, but that's not the settings

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iamlindoro:

That's to poll for new videos

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cheshair:

iamlindoro: hm right

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cheshair:

iamlindoro: sorry

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iamlindoro:

Setup -> Another Setup -> Media settings -> Video Settings -> General

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cheshair:

iamlindoro: how can i access to settings starting from main menu?

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iamlindoro:

I think

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georgek:

sphery, Oh poohoo, if you had five frontends that you wanted to have a consistent browse behavoir, how can it be wrong to twazzle that value in settings?

[18:30:20]

iamlindoro:

ish

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ALVAN:

sphery, in Edit Keys > TV PLayback >CHANNELUP is set to UP and CHANNELDOWN to down

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cheshair:

iamlindoro: ahhh! right!! thank you sooo much

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sphery:

georgek: you have no idea how many people I've helped fix their DB's after they broke them by editing them directly.

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sphery:

but feel free to edit it directly--and know that I won't be helping you solve any of your problems ;)

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georgek:

sphery, the potential is certainly there and it obviously occurs, however if someone is clued to sql, it can be a huge time saver.

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sphery:

georgek: also those values (and the data within) change frequently, become deprecated, get replaced. If Myth devs wanted people to edit them directly, why would they waste time creating a settings interface.

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sphery:

why does everyone think that if you know SQL or MySQL, you can edit the mythconverg database data (which has nothing to do with SQL or MySQL) directly?

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Hilikus_:

iamlindoro http://mazinger/1127_20071012143153.mpg

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Hilikus_:

sorry

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georgek:

sphery, well, it's not rocket science.

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Hilikus_:

hilikus.homedns.org/1127_20071012143153.mpg

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sphery:

no, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to break MythTV...

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Hilikus_:

iamlindoro you can hear the hiss clearly i think

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hendrixski:

I just compiled mythtv inside of a chroot and it's doing the same "I'm not going to connect to the database" dance! gggrrrr!

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hendrixski:

I removed the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt file too... so it's not the Ubuntu-password thing

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iamlindoro:

Hilikus, need a fully qualified domain name

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Hilikus_:

ive been reading obout that and a lot of people are complaining about the pvr-150 recording too loud, there are some registry keys in windows to lower the volume but i dont see anything for linux

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hendrixski:

WTF? what do I do?

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sphery:

georgek: IMHO, editing the DB directly is akin to refusing to use the menu button on your TV, but instead going into the "service menu" (which is hidden and not meant for consumer use) to change a setting that's available in the normal menu. You can do it, but it's not the right way to do it.

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cheshair:

iamlindoro: ok, it's beginning to make sense to me, thank you for your precious help, now i'll continue studying (btw: any hints on what to study? any links? the official docs?)

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Hilikus_:

iamlindoro hilikus.homedns.org/1127_20071012143153.mpg is fully qualified

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iamlindoro:

The myth wiki is awesome and covers virtually everything

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ALVAN:

sphery, the key bindings look as default there is something else i am missing ?

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ALVAN:

sphery, in Edit Keys > TV PLayback >CHANNELUP is set to UP and CHANNELDOWN to down

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ALVAN:

it does not work i can see only the first channel

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sphery:

ALVAN: I don't know, but as I mentioned, I don't waste my time helping someone fix a misconfigured system if they have edited the DB data directly. If they use the GUI to change settings, I know the bounds of the data. If they don't use the GUI, it could be anything.

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Hilikus_:

iamlindoro did you get it?

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iamlindoro:

downloading now

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sphery:

So, I'm bowing out on this one.

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Hilikus_:

cool, thanks

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ALVAN:

sphery, i did not edit the databe .. only when i created

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cheshair:

iamlindoro: the myth wiki... right!

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ALVAN:

created it at install

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hendrixski:

I compiled mythtv 20.2 in a chroot and now when I run mythv-setup it craps out on me. I removed the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt that caused me a problem with the setup from the Ubuntu packages before... what can I do? please help.

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ALVAN:

sphery, sometimes is important to edit the database too ..i had issues when the vallue was ok in browsing but not ok in database ..or if i cahnge something in interface was not changed in database

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ALVAN:

this dont include mythtv as i dont used it so much

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hendrixski:

?? anyone ??

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Hilikus_:

iamlindoro weirdest thing is that if i watch the video in windows the volume is really low, so i guess its not a problem of recording it too loud, but an actual hiss

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iamlindoro:

Hilikus, yeah, I hear it... Wondering if there might be something poorly shielded... What are you using for input? Coax?

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Hilikus_:

iamlindoro s-video

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iamlindoro:

And have you tried moving to another PCI slot?

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Hilikus_:

and for the audio, one of those .8mm jacks to 2 RCA jacks

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iamlindoro:

Hrm, what is the audio coming out of?

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ALVAN:

sphery, this is my screenshot when i type page up http://89.34.187.225/screenshot.jpg

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ALVAN:

not page up sorry <UP>

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iamlindoro:

No RCA out on your cable box? Further, have you tried swapping over to the coax in to see if it's still present?

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ALVAN:

the key <UP>>

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Hilikus_:

built in sound card, but that doesnt matter, the hiss is in the input, in the recording itself, i watched it in another computer and it was there, you watched it and it was there, its not a problem of playback, but of recordinfg

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iamlindoro:

No no

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iamlindoro:

What I'm saying is, you're feeding the PVR 150 with S-video and the PVR-150's RCA audio ins, right?

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Hilikus_:

iamlindoro i do have RCA out on the cable box, but no RCA on my audio in (the capture card itselg, it uses a line in .8mm jack) so i connect the RCA output of the cable to the audio input (.8mm) of the capture card

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iamlindoro:

Hrm, must be an older model 150 than mine, it has RCA audio in

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iamlindoro:

OK

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iamlindoro:

so why not try recording off Coax to see if it's your cables?

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iamlindoro:

Minijacks are notoriously crap

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sphery:

ALVAN: That is browse mode

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sphery:

Once you configure your channels and get listings data all will work

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sphery:

It just doesn't seem to do anything because you haven't got any data and all your channels have broken callsigns/names

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ALVAN:

sphery, i have configured them and scan the channels and save them as video source named "tv"

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sphery:

so now go to the channel editor and give each channel a name and a callsign

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sphery:

then find a way to get listings data and you're all set.

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druke:

when i use 'mplayer /dev/video0' I can get static with my happauge pvr 150, but when i tell myth tv to do listen on /dev/video0 (with v4l) its says the card is unavailable

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ALVAN:

sphery, pff oki :)

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sphery:

druke: did you select, "MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500)" for hte card type?

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iamlindoro:

Druke, you'er choosing capture card of pvr-150 type in myth setup?

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iamlindoro:

sounds like you have the wrong card type

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iamlindoro:

selected

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Hilikus_:

iamlindoro do you agree that its not likely a problem of the card recording too loud, cause the video doesnt have a very loud volume

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druke:

sphery, iamlindoro will try that now

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iamlindoro:

Hilikus, it's probably not that... but can you go try a record with coax? You need to eliminate your cables as the source of the problem

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ALVAN:

sphery, they all got names like Adding Channel E7 ., etc :)

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sphery:

ALVAN: right. that's the default value you'll get when you use the channel scanner with an analog capture card (because there's no way for it to know a real callsign/name).

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Hilikus_:

iamlindoro can i try that without losing all the settings i have currently? (channel names and all that)

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iamlindoro:

Yes

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sphery:

ALVAN: so just type in the "right" name (or, just delete the "Adding Channel " part

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druke:

sphery, iamlindoro yes, still says /dev/video0 is unavailable

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iamlindoro:

just attach your listings source to the Coax input in mythtv setup... leave the same source on S-video

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cheshair:

c u later guys

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sphery:

druke: I'd recommend http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (delete capture cards and video sources), then reconfigure--this time selecting the right card type

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iamlindoro:

And when you go to live TV, there's a key command to switch inputs... lemme check

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iamlindoro:

(although someone will beat me to it, I am sure)

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druke:

sphery, kk

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ALVAN:

sphery, ok .. one last question with what key i can mark option in settings, space key dont work

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iamlindoro:

"c" is change input when you have multiple set up on one card, hilikus

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iamlindoro:

but you need to set it up with a listings source first

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iamlindoro:

in mythtv-setup

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Hilikus_:

ALVAN try right

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ALVAN:

Hilikus_, works thanks

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sphery:

iamlindoro/ALVAN: Right, right. (The use of "right" is correct. ;)

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sphery:

(though that added nothing, it was fun to say)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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ALVAN:

sphery, :)

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ALVAN:

sphery, works now fine browsing the channel

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ALVAN:

but audio still suks :(

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ALVAN:

i have NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!

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_gnome42:

directhex|work: X update seems to have fixed that bug I was experiencing. Thanks for your help earlier :)

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_gnome42:

now I have keyboard layout bugette instead ;)

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Hilikus_:

so iamlindoro

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Hilikus_:

theres no hiss when using coax

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Hilikus_:

:S

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Hilikus_:

i guess thats bad

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iamlindoro:

No, that's good

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iamlindoro:

It means your cables are crap

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iamlindoro:

so replace them and you're probably fine

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iamlindoro:

just b uy good cables

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Hilikus_:

are there suck a thing as good cables to convert from RCA to computer input ??

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Hilikus_:

ive never liked that

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iamlindoro:

You can buy decent ones, yes

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iamlindoro:

but minijacks pretty much suck across the board

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Hilikus_:

exactly

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iamlindoro:

still, I have seen more of those 1/8th inch to RCA cables crap out than ANY other cable

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Hilikus_:

so i would need a damn soundcard with rca?

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iamlindoro:

No

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iamlindoro:

New model PVR-150s have RCa audio in

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Hilikus_:

i bought this one like 2 weeks ago, ive never seen those

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, just buy a decent set of audio cables (I despise monster but they would doubtless work well) and you will be fine... hiss should go away

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ALVAN:

sphery, thanks for the help .. i will try on my own to fix the sound somehow later

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Hilikus_:

can i capture audio with the soundcard line in instead of the capture card?

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iamlindoro:

Yours is non-MCE?

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Hilikus_:

iamlindoro it is non MCE

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iamlindoro:

I wouldn't advise it, brings up a whole new set of crap

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iamlindoro:

Hilikus, looks like the MCE ones have RCA in

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Hilikus_:

like syncing?

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iamlindoro:

There's nothing wrong with the minijack in on your PVR-150, probably... just get a new cable!!

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iamlindoro:

Don't make your small problem more complicated

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Hilikus_:

thing is, i have 2 cables, one for in and 1 for out, tried them both for in and both give hiss, of course it could be that both are crap... but i wonder

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iamlindoro:

Could be

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Hilikus_:

whats that black RCA that says DIGITAL AUDIO OUT? how do i use that one?

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iamlindoro:

That's coaxial

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Hilikus_:

it sounds of better quality

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Hilikus_:

no

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Hilikus_:

its RCA

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iamlindoro:

Yes

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iamlindoro:

and that's coaxial

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Hilikus_:

i have 3 RCA audio out

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iamlindoro:

coaxial audio

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Hilikus_:

oh

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iamlindoro:

*sigh*

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Hilikus_:

is it better or worse?

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iamlindoro:

http://hometheater.about.com/od/hometheaterdo . . . Connecto.htm

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iamlindoro:

It's good, but if your capture card has a Digital audio OUT, it's no good to you

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iamlindoro:

Probably for outputting digital audio from your coax signal to an external amp

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Hilikus_:

my card doesnt have audio out

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Hilikus_:

my capture card that is

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Hilikus_:

i output with my builtin sound card

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iamlindoro:

So where are you seeing the coaxial digital? On your cable box?

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Hilikus_:

yes

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iamlindoro:

Whelp, probably not going to be any good to you, still... There is probably a way to jury-rig it work work, but I couldn't tell you how to do that

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druke:

sweet got tv channels working, so if I wanted to ahve an enitre house running, would i need a new tv card for each different tv

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Hilikus_:

ok, well, im going to try with better cables and see what happens

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iamlindoro:

It's also possible the RCA outputs on your cable box are screwy/being interfered with

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Hilikus_:

druke no, only the backend needs one

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druke:

Hilikus_, so i can watch one thing in a room and watch a different thing in another room?

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Hilikus_:

no

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Hilikus_:

you need one capture card per channel

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druke:

kk thanks :)

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Hilikus_:

it can be all in the same backend though

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druke:

right'o

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new2linx:

having problems with SBE/FE recordings folder location and MBE/FE recordings folder. WHen I try to watch a show thru the MFE that was recorded on the SBE, it just goes to black screen and then back to all recordings. EVen when I view mythtweb, recording programs, the recordings show entries but when I click on them it says that they are not in the recordings folder. How do I view recordings from SBE on MBE?

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iamlindoro:

What does the log say?

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juski:

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juski:

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stuarta:

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juski:

feel more sane as a result :)

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stuarta:

i just stay out of here when i've work to do

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juski:

heh

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: which log, SBE or MBE?

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stuarta:

5 projects to finish by the end of the month

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iamlindoro:

Whichever you're trying to use to view the recording

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juski:

I had my hands full today. got some new fence panels delivered so we can stop doggy getting out of the garden – and the little bugger escaped when they arrived. 40 mins later I found him in the canal annoying the ducks

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: well I am not aware of a frontend log file. At least not on the Ubuntu mythtv install?

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juski:

the irony of that is quite astonishing imho

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stuarta:

ah the enjoyment of doggies

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iamlindoro:

run mythfrontend from the terminal, try to view, then pastebin the output

[19:54:35]

new2linx:

will do, have to do thru x11vnc as I am at work (ha ha, getting paid to admin my mythtv box, lovin it!)

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juski:

he frekin stank when I got him back, so of course I had to bath him. that was more fun than traipsing round the streets looking for him :)

[19:55:23]

new2linx:

iamlindoro: how do I start the mythfront from the command line, just enter mythfrontend or is it mythfrontend.real?

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juski:

lost half a stone since he arrived

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** stuarta chuckles **

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iamlindoro:

dunno what mythfrontend.real would be, just open a terminal and type mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

then try to watch a recording and have it fail, then pastebin relevant portions of the command line output

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juski:

got a new site. cost me real money this webspace so I'm hoping that'll be an incentive to keep it online. all under wraps til google finds it though

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attila:

hey guys

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iamlindoro:

Juski, just got a pup myself

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: what's the command so that all the terminal output gets saved to a file, sometimes I can't scroll up far enough in the terminal and this would solve that problem

[19:57:34]

iamlindoro:

you can go mythfrontend > namoeoflogfile

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juski:

iamlindoro: what kind? don't envy you much. not many come ready house-broken ;)

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iamlindoro:

a la "mythfrontend > myth.log"

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attila:

anyone has any good tips on speeding up nuv2xvid encoding? its currently very slow, doing it at 5fps on a AMD Athlon 3000+

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new2linx:

well there is this other command but I forgot what it's called.

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juski:

attila: get more CPU

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iamlindoro:

Mine didn't, heh... although she's there now... she's just a little mutt... actually just had blood tests done to determine breeds... She appears to be boxer/german shepherd

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attila:

...

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attila:

anything more useful?

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juski:

attila: get more CPU

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juski:

nothing can speed up a process more than chucking more horses at it

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new2linx:

for like times whne you want to not only save the output of commands but the input as well.

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juski:

unless you used the --piss-me-off-with-how-slow-you-can-be option :P

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attila:

im sure more efficient encoders would speed up the process

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xand:

this is probably a stupid question... but how can I use the mouse in mythtv-setup?

[19:59:52]

juski:

attila: you asked for tips on speeding up that nux2xvid whatever

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iamlindoro:

or get a tuner that will encode for you, then you can use the output with ffmpeg

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attila:

yea i asked for sensible answers, not answers like get a 10000 node cluster

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juski:

xand: the mouse always works. put it under your hand & move it. if you've not enabled showing the mouse pointer in mythfrontend you won't see it in mythtv-setup either

[20:01:08]

juski:

attila: there's not many things can take .nuv files

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juski:

nuxevport is one

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xand:

I see, yes the pointer is invisible

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steevc:

hi, just trying Mythtv for the first time and trying to set up the backend. I select my DVB card as the video source, but it doesn't seem to get saved, i.e. when I hit enter it is not added to the list on the screen. any ideas?

[20:02:06]

attila:

i thought about converting it to mpeg2, then splitting it up to parts and passing it on to a few other machines to encode them, then merge together

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juski:

xand: try mythtv-setup -O HideMouseCursor=0

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juski:

-O overrides stuff. works with mythfrontend but dunno if mythtv-setup likes it

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iamlindoro:

attila, what are you transcoding, the entire series of evening news since the beginning of time? Once you have it to Mpeg-2, ffmpeg should be plenty fast

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xand:

thanks

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attila:

yea im actually planning to record at least 6–7 hours a day, but i need to be able to encode fast enough

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: well it doesn't appear to even be able to get to TV, then recordings folder thru x11vnc. It's just sitting there. I know when I view mythweb, it shows an entry for the recordings but there's no preview (png file) and when I click on it thru there, I get 2003_20071012133000.mpg does not exist in the recordings directory

[20:06:57]

iamlindoro:

Wait wait... how did VNC get introduced to this? I just want you to go to the machine that cannot play recordings from your backend, try to play a recording, have it fail, and then pastebin the output

[20:07:19]

iamlindoro:

from the command line, mind you

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juski:

attila: sounds like a pvr150 would be a good investment then.. or a much bigger hdd

[20:08:15]

attila:

hdd is not a problem

[20:08:20]

iamlindoro:

Yep, 150 would be good

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attila:

i got 2TB on that machine

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juski:

I record whoah like er.. at leat 5 hours a day

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: I am not at home, I am at work. heres the error from the myth.log after starting mythfrontend . myth.log: 2007-10–12 15:07:29.848 NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: myth://127.0.0.1:6543/2003_20071012110000.mpg

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juski:

I watch less than 2 hours a day on average though, so that means a lot of timestretch & deletion :P

[20:09:24]

stuarta:

new2linx: ah well there's a problem, it's looking on the local machine for the file

[20:09:27]

iamlindoro:

Well, that's a frontend with no backend on it?

[20:09:38]

iamlindoro:

'cause it's trying to contact itself to play the file

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: no, it's not.

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new2linx:

this is the MBE/FE.

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attila:

btw

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attila:

i tried nuv2avi

[20:10:01]

attila:

but it seem to get stuck after a few frames

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new2linx:

i ahve a SBE/FE that has the recordings stored locally. My whole question is how do I get all this working?

[20:10:33]

attila:

wonder if thers a fix to it

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: since I didn't direct those statements to you, did you see them? there are about 3 or 4 statements.

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attila:

i guess i should be asking Beirdo

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iamlindoro:

OK, so have you network-mounted that directory on your MBE?

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new2linx:

no, I didn't know I needed to?

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new2linx:

I was told by the mythbuntu developer that recordings can reside on their own systems and myth uses it's own streaming protocol to stream them

[20:11:36]

juski:

that's true

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iamlindoro:

Sure, as long as you are contacting the machine with the recordings to stream them...

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: shouldn't that just happen transparently thru mythfrontend?

[20:12:19]

iamlindoro:

But that machine things the recordings are local

[20:12:22]

iamlindoro:

er thinks

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: so how do I fix that?

[20:13:23]

iamlindoro:

No idea, your setup is sorta confusing me

[20:13:38]

new2linx:

iamlindoro: I did first try the whole NFS share thing and I got some crap about the shares didn't have write permissions. Here's the thread here at ubuntu forums if you wouldn't mind checking it out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=573759

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: MBE/FE with a PVR-350 in it. it's recording directory is local mount. SBE/FE that has a PVR-500 in it which it

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: recording directory is also local. Shouldn't mythtv know where the recordings are taking place and update the mysql table info properly?

[20:15:27]

iamlindoro:

One would think

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steevc:

Ok, I think I see the problem with mythtv-setup, the parentid column is missing from the capturecard table.

[20:15:40]

iamlindoro:

I only use one backend so I may not be the person to troubleshoot this

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new2linx:

steevc: you have had this happen before?

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steevc:

I'm setting up Myth for the first time

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steevc:

new2linx: just installed it

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new2linx:

steevc: I am no mysql person what so ever and it scares me, but how do I fix this? I can use phpmyadmin which looks a little easier to use but still scares me.

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new2linx:

steevc: oh, so you weren't talking to me?

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steevc:

new2linx: I assume that part of the install created the tables, but looks like something is out of sync

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: so you're done trying to help?

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steevc:

new2linx: no, just joined and posted my issues to try and get some help

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iamlindoro:

Uh... well NOW I am...

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: I was only asking. Sorry if you thought that was rude.

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: i wasn't trying to be in anyway. that's why words are often hard to understand because humans communicate with our body langauge, facial expressions, hand movements, etc etc.

[20:19:09]

iamlindoro:

all good

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I don't have any useful input, wish I had a better idea about split backends

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iamlindoro:

but someone here is bound to

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new2linx:

steevc: just to clarify, you can or can't help me with my MBE/FE and SBE/FE recordings folder issue?

[20:20:02]

new2linx:

iamlindoro: do you use a nfs share for your recordings directory?

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stuarta:

new2linx: so what did you tell the frontend your backend was?

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steevc:

new2linx: sorry, not got very far yet. I've not even been able to finish the set-up

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iamlindoro:

Nope, but I only have a single backend, streaming to frontends works fine for me

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new2linx:

stuarta: which FE and which BE?

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new2linx:

stuarta: and are you referring to IP addresses?

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stuarta:

er the frontend with the problem?

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new2linx:

I have a thread here at ubuntuforums that has it all explained already, could you peak at it. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=573759

[20:21:47]

new2linx:

stuarta: well the MFE point to the MBE.

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luckyone:

can anyone assist me with the proper modeline for my tv? it doesn't seem to output any EDID data

[20:22:30]

stuarta:

so you have a SBE that is also a frontend?

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iamlindoro:

I wonder whether it might help to set your Master Backend to contact tiself by explicit IP address rather than by the loopback

[20:22:47]

new2linx:

stuarta: yes

[20:23:09]

new2linx:

stuarta: it doesn't have to be though. is that what's causing this problem?

[20:23:29]

stuarta:

dunno yet.

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new2linx:

stuarta: basically the recordings that are being done with the SBE cards are being saved locally on the SBE and then the MFE can't view them, nor can mythweb. that's it in a summary

[20:24:29]

new2linx:

stuarta: just curious, have you read my ubuntuforums thread?

[20:24:53]

new2linx:

iamlindoro: oh, it does. maybe that's what's wrong

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stuarta:

not yet, i'm time sharing

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stuarta:

1 eye watching heroes

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stuarta:

1 eye IRC'ng

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new2linx:

stuarta: ha, cool!

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iamlindoro:

new2linx, it appears that it doesn't...since the error you posted shows it contacting via 127.0.0.1

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stuarta:

right, so the FE that's on the SBE, is it configured to talk to the MBE or the SBE

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: you're saying that within the MBE mythtv-setup, the IP at the very top should be my IP and not the loopback, It is I swear to you.

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iamlindoro:

uh-huh, and on the secondary backend, what database address does it connect to? Itself or the MBE?

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new2linx:

stuarta: well it must be configured to talk to the SBE because I can view the recordings on the SBE. I only have 1 mysql database though.

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: the IP at the top it defining itself, the IP lower is the one that should be used to contact the MBE. I beleive I have it correct?

[20:27:59]

iamlindoro:

Should be... Wish I had my box to look at though

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stuarta:

the way i see it, you need to configure things so that logically the FE that's on the SBE is just a plain standalone FE

[20:28:19]

new2linx:

iamlindoro: the SBE is told to communicate with teh IP of the MBE.

[20:28:49]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, should be ok...

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new2linx:

stuarta: I can't, it has a PVR-500 in it, it has to be a slave backend. or are you saying that a FE can have a capture card defined?

[20:29:02]

iamlindoro:

No, it can't

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new2linx:

that's what I thought.

[20:29:14]

iamlindoro:

Well, I do't think so anyway

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stuarta:

i suspect your problem is that your are effectively setting up two individual be/FE combos

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stuarta:

configure the SBE like it's just a SBE

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stuarta:

and the FE on the SBE so it's just a FE

[20:30:05]

stuarta:

ie. point it at the MBE

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new2linx:

stuarta: how? I am using mythbuntu.

[20:30:28]

new2linx:

it's either Frontend, Master Backend or Slave Backend

[20:31:17]

stuarta:

in your case it's a SBE and a FE

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new2linx:

stuarta: correct but that shouldn't matter because the mysql database is on the MBE only. how come when the SBE was recording a show it didn't populate the table with info telling it that it was stored on the SBE?

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stuarta:

did you tell it all the info about the master BE and the mysql database?

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new2linx:

i can't be the first to be doing this. I mean there's only so many pci slots for tuner cards. so at some point people have to create a SBE

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stuarta:

they do, and the point the SBE at the MBE

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new2linx:

stuarta: yes. Although with mythbuntu it' s transparent so maybe there something wrong with mythbuntu?

[20:33:39]

stuarta:

probably they try to hide the details from you

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new2linx:

my SBE does point at the MBE

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new2linx:

stuarta: what about recording locations? I am just using local directories for each BE. I tried the NFS share thing and it didn'ty even record,, somethign about permissions. but if you read that thread I linked to yoou'd see I have everythign setup correctly so I am not sure what's going on?

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stuarta:

select * from settings where value like 'backend%';

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stuarta:

run that against your mythconverg database and pastebin the output

[20:36:37]

** stuarta goes to the fridge for more beer **

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new2linx:

stuarta: I don't know how to run that? do I just copy paste what you wrote?

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new2linx:

stuarta: I go this from just pasting what you wrote, "ERROR 1046 (3D000): No database selected"

[20:39:35]

stuarta:

use mythconverg;

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new2linx:

stuarta: I am a mysql idiot, this is what I get now: select mythconverg from settings where value like 'backend%';

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new2linx:

ERROR 1046 (3D000): No database selected

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stuarta:

use mythconverg;

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stuarta:

select * from settings where value like 'backend%';

[20:40:43]

stuarta:

select * from settings where value like 'backend%';

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new2linx:

stuarta: sorry, you'll have to tell me exactly what to type in? I am logged in as root and am at mysql command line

[20:40:52]

stuarta:

sorry, only 1 of those

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stuarta:

what i just put

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new2linx:

how do I "use" mythconverg?

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stuarta:

it's a mysql command

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stuarta:

help use; if interested

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new2linx:

I am a mysql idiot

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iamlindoro:

new2linx, mysql -u (your myth user) -p mythconverg

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new2linx:

oh, before I even login your saying.

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iamlindoro:

if you start mysql with the above you will be automatically using mythconverg

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iamlindoro:

then use Stuart's sql commands

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stuarta:

select * from settings where value='BackendServerIP'; <- technically that'll do the trick

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Daviey:

"something wrong with mythbuntu" hmm... no way – mythbuntu is *perfect* :D

[20:43:27]

stuarta:

hahahaha!

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new2linx:

stuarta: here you go: http://www.pastebin.org/4728

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: thanks for that tip. As I said, I am mysql illiterate.

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iamlindoro:

np

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stuarta:

so gusty is the MBE?

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new2linx:

Daviey: you don't like the developer or the idea?

[20:44:46]

new2linx:

stuarta: no

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Daviey:

eh?

[20:44:59]

stuarta:

that's your SBE?

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new2linx:

Daviey: well I senced some sarcasim in your comment about mythbuntu being prefect.

[20:45:20]

new2linx:

stuarta: yes

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stuarta:

well that's why it doesn't work

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Daviey:

new2linx: I _am_ a mythbuntu dev... so i think the devs are great!

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stuarta:

your SBE is talking to itself.

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new2linx:

Daviey: ah. You were hitting below the belt on yourself, well I take back my question.

[20:46:05]

stuarta:

remember the log where it said myth://127.0.0.1.....

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new2linx:

stuarta: yeah. but that log was from the MBE

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new2linx:

stuarta: well while runnig the MFE

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stuarta:

go change the config of the SBE and put it's proper ip address in instead of 127.0.0.1

[20:47:15]

new2linx:

stuarta: so you're saying that I should put it's static IP there within mytv-setup?

[20:47:20]

new2linx:

192.168.0.6

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iamlindoro:

yes, he's absolutely right

[20:47:50]

iamlindoro:

your SBE is telling the master backend, "I have this file here at 127.0.0.1"

[20:47:51]

stuarta:

so MBE ip is 192.168.0.3 and slave is 192.168.0.6

[20:47:56]

new2linx:

stuarta: do I need to run mythfilldatabase after I exit mythtv-setup because it always wants to?

[20:48:01]

stuarta:

no

[20:48:05]

garth:

I need some help purging my Schedules Direct data and then re-loading it, can someone help me?

[20:48:10]

new2linx:

stuarta: correct

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iamlindoro:

And so the master backend tries to access it there when it tries to play, and so... tries to contact itself!

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: makes total sence.

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stuarta:

so the slave config you tell it MBE address is 192.168.0.3 and backend address is 192.168.0.6

[20:48:41]

stuarta:

then it'll all magically work

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garth:

when manually assigning the xmltvid's to my channels, i got two mixed up and filled the database like that

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iamlindoro:

Well, I have some concerns whether previously recorded stuff will work, but new recordings should

[20:49:18]

stuarta:

garth: whoops.

[20:49:37]

garth:

I've corrected the mixup and ran a database fill, but the problem doesnt work itself out for another 10 days :(

[20:49:42]

iamlindoro:

Although one could do a find and replace of 127.0.0.1 with 192.168.0.6 on the master backend and it ought to all work

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** juski kicks Virgin1 in the nuts **

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new2linx:

stuarta: yeah, I think the SBE has the correct IP for the MAster Backend because the mysql database is getting updated but the SBE's IP itself is still pointing to 127.0.0.1, so that's what the problem was?

[20:49:52]

stuarta:

garth: delete the data for the channels

[20:49:52]

iamlindoro:

although maybe that happens automagically

[20:50:00]

iamlindoro:

new2linx, yes

[20:50:00]

stuarta:

new2linx: yes

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new2linx:

stuarta: THANKS TO EVERYONE. gotta go.

[20:50:09]

garth:

stuarta whats the best way to do that?

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stuarta:

does it work?

[20:50:28]

stuarta:

garth: bit of mysql fu

[20:50:39]

garth:

im not even a mysql grasshopper

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new2linx:

iamlindoro: are you saying that I have to do the update where I use find?

[20:50:45]

iamlindoro:

garth, so 10 days from now your listings are correct?

[20:50:48]

garth:

yeah

[20:50:58]

iamlindoro:

mythfilldatabase --refresh-all perhaps?

[20:51:04]

new2linx:

or will it just straighten itself out after I change teh IP of the SBE to be it's IP not it's loopback.

[20:51:11]

garth:

ok i can try that

[20:51:14]

stuarta:

new2linx: should do

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stuarta:

did that at a demo last year

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iamlindoro:

new2linx, first fix that IP, then see if everything works, then go from there if the old things don't... but new recordings should work fine

[20:51:33]

new2linx:

stuarta: so, no on the find thingy. correct

[20:52:03]

garth:

its not the end of the world kind of problem I just wanted to program a recording of the seahawks game but its on the channel that has wrong lineup data

[20:52:05]

stuarta:

new2linx: just use mythtv-setup on the SBE

[20:52:11]

new2linx:

stuarta: or maybe the find thing will update the current recordings but all new ones will be correct though.

[20:52:17]

iamlindoro:

garth

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iamlindoro:

see my command above

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new2linx:

stuarta: ok, thanks so much for your help!

[20:52:30]

iamlindoro:

try mythfilldatabase --refresh-all and see if that sorts you

[20:52:35]

garth:

k ill give it a shot and come back if for some reason it doesnt work

[20:52:38]

new2linx:

iamlindoro: thanks so much guys!

[20:52:44]

garth:

1000 thank yous, master. :)

[20:52:58]

iamlindoro:

Thank me if it works ;)

[20:53:04]

garth:

ok

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garth:

:)

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stuarta:

you think they'd stay around a bit longer and show some appreciation.

[20:55:48]

iamlindoro:

hahah, I thought that way funny to... kthnxbye!

[20:55:52]

iamlindoro:

er too

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** stuarta sniffs **

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stuarta:

no gratitude these days

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Patina:

Wham, bam, thank you mam.

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Led-Hed:

Do the PVR-500 have 2 IR Blasters to control Cable Boxes?

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iamlindoro:

Nope

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iamlindoro:

But you could just buy two $10 serial ones

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sphery:

Led-Hed: Or if you can set different remote codes on the cable box, use one blaster (you only need a blaster if you're controlling multiple--a normal transmitter works well for just one).

[21:35:04]

iamlindoro:

Although the MCE editions come with the USB receiver that has two IR outs... I think only one is usable at this time, though?

[21:35:50]

Led-Hed:

so would something like this be a better idea? http://www.commandir.com/

[21:36:14]

fiXXXerMet:

hah

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iamlindoro:

Would work ok, I should think

[21:37:19]

** Led-Hed will do some research on the pvr-500 IR blaster. **

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iamlindoro:

Holy CRAP that CommandIR thing is a fortune!

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Led-Hed:

lol. I didnt look at the price.

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iamlindoro:

9.95 for a serial IR emitter sounds more like it to me

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Leebier:

anyone got tv-out working right on FC7? i think i am missing the xdriver, but can't seem to figure out the proper thing to do to get it loaded, and am feeling kinda dumb :)

[21:45:46]

Led-Hed:

Leebier, what video card?

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Led-Hed:

is there much delay when using an IR Transmiter?

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iamlindoro:

No

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Led-Hed:

ok, good. I'm thinking about getting HD from my Cable Co

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iamlindoro:

Depends on what you consider delay... My scripted IR is much faster than I can hit the buttons on my remote

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Leebier:

gah, sorry, was AFK for a sec

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Leebier:

PVR-350, on kernel 2.6.22.9–91.fc7

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Led-Hed:

oh

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iamlindoro:

Well, what is your cable company? If you are US, keep in mind you won't be able to get the HD premium channels on myth, they'll be encrypted

[21:49:08]

Led-Hed:

have you followed Jarods guide?

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Leebier:

jarod's guide fails for tv-out in FC7

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Led-Hed:

Leebier, umm, dont know what to tell you. I use nV 6200's for TV-Out

[21:50:06]

Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, I just want basic cable with HD.

[21:50:07]

iamlindoro:

And if you just want HD network TV, then get an ATSC card like the HD-5000 and use an antenna

[21:50:18]

iamlindoro:

Then no need to pay your cable co

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Leebier:

i've gotten so far as to get the message about X failing to load to appear on the TV, just not, ya know, x :)

[21:50:44]

Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, I want ESPN, Discovery Channel, History Channel in HD also

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iamlindoro:

You won't be able to get those in HD in Myth

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, they are encrypted?

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iamlindoro:

They are encrypted, and you won't be able to capture them with Myth

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Led-Hed:

that blows.

[21:51:49]

Led-Hed:

what about HD Tivo's can they capture Encrypted HD Channels?

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iamlindoro:

Very, VERY occasionally, some po-dunk cable co will leave them unencrypted, but if you are a company anyone's ever heard of, they will be

[21:52:04]

iamlindoro:

I believe the HD-Tivos use cable card, so yes.

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stuarta:

no, but you can capture the output of a STB that decrypts them for you

[21:52:06]

Led-Hed:

Charter

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stuarta:

however that kinda defeats the purpose of hd

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iamlindoro:

Led- that'll be encrypted, sorry

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iamlindoro:

best option right now is to get an HD 5000 and get Network TV in HD over the air

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, not worth it. I'll just stick with SDTV for now

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Led-Hed:

I assume the same applies to Satellite

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: Not trying to be intrusive, but why not worth it? It's free, and I love that setup on my own box.

[21:54:16]

iamlindoro:

Led, yep

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, Would be too much hastle to have HD + PVR-250 setup. How would it know which tuner to capture from?

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iamlindoro:

They each have seperate lineups

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iamlindoro:

it's really simple

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iamlindoro:

And if both have the same program at the same time, you rank your tuners in priority so it tries at the top of the priority list and works it's way down

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Led-Hed:

but what If I want to watch SDTV on my HDTV how do I change lineups from the frontend

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iamlindoro:

You press y

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iamlindoro:

and it swaps tuner cards

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Led-Hed:

so what about Cable Co DVR's can they record Encoded HD?

[21:57:30]

iamlindoro:

Or, more simply, you go to the program guide, where both lineups are combined, and you click what you want to watch and myth handles it

[21:57:35]

iamlindoro:

Yes

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, can you pull the Encrypted HD shows off the DVR via Firewire?

[21:58:26]

iamlindoro:

Nope

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Led-Hed:

bahh

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Led-Hed:

too complicated.

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iamlindoro:

Cable Co's completely prevent you from getting them off their boxes, ergo the usefulness of Myth

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Led-Hed:

I'll just stick to SDTV

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iamlindoro:

You can do what you want with your media here :)

[21:59:52]

Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, I'm already using MythTV. I have 6 tunners in my backend. they are just all for SDTV.

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Led-Hed:

I still get what I want, only in non-HD

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iamlindoro:

Coolio

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iamlindoro:

Well, anyway, you're the boss of your box, but I find my OTA HD to be extreeeeeemely nice. I cut the commercials, transcode to 720p x264, and move them to my MythVideo stuff... I avoid having to find my stuff on the net.

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, HD isnt that important to me. It would be nice to have but not critical.

[22:02:36]

iamlindoro:

fair enough

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Led-Hed:

If it worked like the SDTV stuff the I would go for it, but I guess HD has too many catches

[22:04:04]

iamlindoro:

Well, sounds like the only real catch for you is that you want extended Hd and not network stuff

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Led-Hed:

they dont make a Software decoder for the Encrypted HD?

[22:04:38]

iamlindoro:

Nope

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, I want both. If I'm gonna pay the extra $$ for HD Cable I want to be able to use it with my Myth

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iamlindoro:

Fair enough... but anyway, if you ever DO decide you want Network HD, it's free 'cause it's OTA

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Rainman:

? Ubuntu wokrs with my ati wonder remote out of the box, Mythtv works half A** out of the box, i have not installed any thing like lirc, im assuming it must be installed already in ubuntu,anyway can someone tell me wich directery to edit the conf file to add buttons

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, you've got me somewhat interested in OTA. I guess I would need a better understanding of how it works with myth

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iamlindoro:

Rainman... lirc is not installed by default

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Rainman:

what makes the remot work then?

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iamlindoro:

Dunno, but you can check if it's installed with sudo apt-get install lirc

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iamlindoro:

if it tries to install then lirc isn't installed

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed, For me, I've got 2–11 as Network tv... so I have the SD versions (2, 3, 4, etc) and the HD versions (2–1, 3–1, 4–1) all living side by side in the program guide

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Rainman:

whatever its using its working in myth, kindof, i can only use the up down buttons and the select

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iamlindoro:

So if I want to watch, for example, Heroes in HD (or record it, or whatever) I would just choose 11–1 in the guide

[22:09:15]

iamlindoro:

They're basically "stacked" on top of each other, 2, 2–1,3, 3–1, 4, 4–1, etc.

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Perdignus:

speaking of lirc – anyone else still experiencing this error with lirc_serial "kobject_add failed for lirc_serial" ?

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iamlindoro:

In the gudie that is

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, so both the 2 and 2–1 channels show up at the same time int he EPG?

[22:09:43]

iamlindoro:

Yep

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iamlindoro:

exactly

[22:10:17]

iamlindoro:

So to you it essentially just looks like one big guide, and Myth handles the tuners automagically

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iamlindoro:

rainman, go a ps aux |grep lircd

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iamlindoro:

er do a

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Rainman:

ok

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iamlindoro:

do you see lirc running, or just a line about grep lircd?

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, ok, and about the lineups. SD Tunners have cable Lineup, and HD OTA tunners have seperate 2–13 channel lineup?

[22:10:55]

iamlindoro:

Right

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, is there a way to only show the 'Combined' EPG on frontends that are connected to a HD TV?

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iamlindoro:

Hrm, good question... I don't think so, but any frontend with an SDTV playing an HDTV source would just play it at SD

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Rainman:

<iamlindoro> i got aa respnse but cant paste, its on a diff. box

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iamlindoro:

How many lines? One or Two?

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Rainman:

1

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iamlindoro:

Then you don't have lirc

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iamlindoro:

I believe the remote wonder works as more of a keyboard rather than a remote, although someone can correct me if I am wrong

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Rainman:

ok thats fine, how do i find out whats running my remote

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iamlindoro:

In which case the traditional manner of editing keys isnt' possible

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Rainman:

ok

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_Remote_Wonder

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Rainman:

yep i got that

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iamlindoro:

Looks like to use it and be able to edit the keys you need to install lirc properly

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Rainman:

last time i installed lirc i could not get the remote to work at all

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iamlindoro:

So do a sudo apt-get isntall lirc and when asked, install module lirc_atiusb

[22:15:16]

iamlindoro:

er install

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iamlindoro:

Sorry, to be able to edit keys and actually use the remote (besides arrows and ok) in myth, you will need to

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Rainman:

do i need to uninstall whatever is running the remote now?

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Rainman:

hmmm

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Rainman:

services?

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tuxi:

hi

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tuxi:

is there any special codec needed for commercial scan

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iamlindoro:

nope

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tuxi:

i get: 2007-10–13 00:23:54.265 [mpeg2video @ 0xb73b1b88]warning: first frame is no keyframe all the time

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tuxi:

and then the job is "hanging"

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tuxi:

like 2007-10–13 00:32:14.521 RingBuf(/home/bla/13060_20071012235000.mpg): Waited 1.0 seconds for data to become available...

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iamlindoro:

Tuxi, is that on all jobs, or just some?

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iamlindoro:

And is this ATSC, or SD?

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tuxi:

tried just 2 commercial scans as far

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tuxi:

not sure dvb-s if it helps

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iamlindoro:

Hrm, well it's not *exactly* analogous, I run in to issues with commercial flagging and lossless transcoding with my ATSC recordings sometimes because a certain channel will have poor signal

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iamlindoro:

And while it's *visually* ok, you get some damaged packets that various myth jobs seem to choke on

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tuxi:

can you stop the job?

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tuxi:

i cant

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iamlindoro:

Well, it just fails, but you can always kill it at the command line

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iamlindoro:

fails for me that is, mine doesn't hang

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iamlindoro:

Try mythcommflag -rebuild filename

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iamlindoro:

er --rebuild

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tuxi:

strange i will try if convert helps

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iamlindoro:

That will rebuild it, and hopefully eliminate errors

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iamlindoro:

Then run the commerical flagging job again

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iamlindoro:

Understand?

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tuxi:

yes i'll try

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directhex:

it's normal for the first frame not to be a keyframe, surely?

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directhex:

you've only got a 1/36 or so chance of it being one

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tuxi:

ah k but it shouldnt hang so

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drgeb:

hi

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directhex:

it shouldn't hang, it should just start properly on the next keyframe

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tuxi:

while commflag i get: mpegts @ 0xb75c4850]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94211 !

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iamlindoro:

Speaking of which, anyone know how to set up a job to auto-transcode, using commercial flags as cutpoints?

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directhex:

tuxi, DVB?

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tuxi:

yes

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directhex:

subtitles.

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tuxi:

?

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tuxi:

directhex: ?

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directhex:

DVB streams are MPEG-TS. they can carry a number of different stream types

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directhex:

most of the "parser not found" errors relate to things like subtitles or EIT data or MHEG data

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tuxi:

ah.. okay

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tuxi:

started an convert now lets see if this works

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tuxi:

dont seem like that just displays me the key frame error

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tuxi:

several times

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my2keh:

boo

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banyan:

wed yewwo gween?

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my2keh:

lol

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my2keh:

man i'm bored

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi can any one help mythwelcome has been saying the for months now and wont even record the show http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php/1248423_Untitled.png.html

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MrMunkey:

hello

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my2keh:

hi

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MrMunkey:

I just finished compiling some updates from the SVN 0.20-fixes branch. Everything seems to be working fine, except for playing video. I just get a black screen and have to kill mythfrontend. The fonts all load real fast though :)

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MrMunkey:

and, I have STFW, and so far I haven't run across any help.

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