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Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 00:03 UTC

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bsdfox:

my mythbackend is working at 15.00 load now :) before it would drop connections at 0.00 :P

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garth:

can someone please suggest the best method of getting mythmusic to stream music off my server to my front-end

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garth:

do i need to mount the mythmusic directory on my front end machine?\

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fryfrog:

yes

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fryfrog:

nfs works

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fryfrog:

also for mythvideo

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fryfrog:

and it needs to be in the same place on all systems :(

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garth:

ok thats what i figured, im just kinda new at this whole thing

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fryfrog:

I use a dir named "/data" which contains /data/recordings and /data/music and /data/videos

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fryfrog:

then, i export /data via nfs and mount it in /data via nfs on all systems. that way, everything is in the same place (and consistant)

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garth:

i see

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fryfrog:

of course, you could do it anywhere you want :)

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fryfrog:

it just happens that /data on my server is a single, 2.1TB XFS partition

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garth:

is mounting via nfs a "symbolic"-like mount? it wont actually duplicate the media on each front end, right?

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fryfrog:

NFS is "network file system"

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fryfrog:

its like a windows share, only not windows :)

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garth:

ah, ok

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garth:

i just ask because as I'm experimenting with all this im just using my laptop as a front end

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garth:

and it has a small HDD

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

yeah, my front end only has about a 40g drive in it too :)

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garth:

ok

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garth:

you know anything about building diskless systems?

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fryfrog:

in a vague way, but i've never done it

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garth:

ive been reading about people making a front end that boots an image over the network

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fryfrog:

i'd probably only do it if i had a lot of front ends to manage

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garth:

yeah i see

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fryfrog:

1 or 2 systems, i think i'd rather just have a quiet hard drive

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fryfrog:

if it were 5+, i'd do diskless for sure :)

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garth:

yeah i see

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garth:

cool, thanks for the info

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fryfrog:

np :)

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garth:

now to google some nfs how-tos...

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my2keh:

Anyone ever mount a plasma to concrete before?

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TheAsp:

my2keh: make sure you get it real hot, then it will stick

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my2keh:

uhhh

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my2keh:

lol

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BULLE:

my2keh: concrete walls should be ok, just be sure to get the correct wallmount

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CyberKnet3:

anyone with cats?

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CyberKnet:

looking at the CatGenie ... http://www.catgenie.com/

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CyberKnet:

not seeing any negative reviews for a product that's been out for over a year, and in a category that is usually prone to negative experiences

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clever:

odd

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clever:

guide data seems way off

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clever:

guide in mythtv says inuyasha is on atm

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clever:

but what i actualy see is naruto

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clever:

which acording to the guide starts in 30mins

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SpudDogg:

if i run the channel_change.sh script manually, it changes the channel on my cable box perfectly, but when i actually go to watch tv and change channels, the ir blaster puts out a bunch of garbage like 277250. anyone know why?

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clever:

edit the script to echo CHANGING CHANNEL $*

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clever:

near the very start

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SpudDogg:

thats already in there...you want me to add the asterisk?

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clever:

then watch the backends output for that and compare to the line when you manualy run it

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clever:

$* will simply show all arguments given to it

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clever:

like $1 $2 $3 $3 .....

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SpudDogg:

clever, where do i need to go to see the backend's output?

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clever:

i run my mythbackend in a terminal

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clever:

but the location of the log file depends on how your starting it

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clever:

check its command line also to see if its being told where to log to

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SpudDogg:

it starts from init.d i suppose

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clever:

ps aux|grep mythb

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clever:

-l or --logfile filename Writes STDERR and STDOUT messages to filename

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clever:

check the cmd line for that option

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clever:

also i was just comparing the guide in the digital box to mythtv to see where myth messed up

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clever:

and i noticed the digital box is also messed up:P

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SpudDogg:

ok, heres what ps aux|grep mythb puts out ps aux|grep mythb

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SpudDogg:

mythtv 4489 0.0 1.1 174764 12244 ? Ssl 22:19 0:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid

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SpudDogg:

root 4616 0.0 0.0 1736 532 ttyp0 S+ 22:29 0:00 grep mythb

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clever:

id guess /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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SpudDogg:

that doesnt show anything about channel_change.sh though

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clever:

xris: ive recently notice atleast 2 shows on my tv guide data arent matching up to whats realy on

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xris:

clever: not uncommon

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clever:

xris: i was comparing mythtv to the cable box guide to track down how offset it was

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clever:

when i noticed most of the channels where fine

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xris:

interesting. cable box often gets the info from TMS, too

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clever:

got to the problem channel and they matched also

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clever:

the box guide matched mythtv

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clever:

and neither matched what was realy on

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xris:

yup

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clever:

both guides where wrong:P

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SpudDogg:

clever: any more ideas?

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clever:

SpudDogg: http://www.pastebin.ca/730281 is an example of what my log looks like when changing channels

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xris:

means that the station probably gave the wrong info to TMS

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clever:

some of the extra crap is lirc debuging

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clever:

xris: yeah could be a recent change to the layout

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SpudDogg:

clever, what file is that on your box?

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SpudDogg:

or is that just terminal output

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clever:

SpudDogg: im running it in a terminal

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clever:

inside screen

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SpudDogg:

right.,,

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SpudDogg:

it seems strange to me that it works fine from the command line, but when i put /etc/irblaster/channel_change.sh in external channel change command it goes haywire...

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clever:

xris: box guide says 'shadow raiders' is on at 12:30

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clever:

yet its on now(at 11:35)

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xris:

clever: it's not just off by an hour all the time, is it?

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clever:

xris: not shure havent watched long enough

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clever:

the naruto episode i think was off by just 30mins

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clever:

i think they shuffled things about

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xris:

odd that the cable box is off, too. sounds more like the station just swapped a few things around and didn't tell TMS

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clever:

i can probly go right to ytv.com to get the real stuff

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clever:

wouldnt be easy to make a scraper for it

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clever:

i think it used flash heavily

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xris:

easier to just report a lineup issue to SD and get TMS to contact the station for more info

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xris:

it *is* what we're paying them for now

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clever:

yeah

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xris:

not sure if anyone's tried submitting content problems to them yet or not.. I've been meaning to correct their good eats episode names for awhile, but have been too busy to do the research.

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sslashes:

is there any documentation on creating custom osd's?

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** clever compares ytv.com to mythweb **

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xris:

sslashes: not really. talk to juski next time he's here.

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sslashes:

xris: ok – thanks

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mzb_d800:

I think there are some comments in the wiki

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mzb_d800:

(google)

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mzb_d800:

but nothing like "do this, press that, hit '=' on your calculator" ... ;)

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mzb_d800:

sslashes: ^

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clever:

xris: uploading a gif

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mzb_d800:

I'm slowly converting mine to suit a (HUGE) oversize with reduced gui res

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mzb_d800:

takes a while ... pity the osd themes aren't all done with formulas ;)

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clever:

xris: http://clever.mine.nu/download/guide.JPG

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clever:

xris: i think i got it on the same tz in both windows

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clever:

looks like a static offset but im not shure

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xris:

clever: looks 3 hours off

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xris:

brb

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sslashes:

mzb_d800: heh, thanks

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clever:

not shure if i have it set to the right zone on the ytv site

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clever:

mythtv isnt running in my local timezone

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xris:

that could be an issue

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clever:

i should realy fix it

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clever:

the entire master backend(mysql and all) are in gmd-6

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sslashes:

also, does anyone know how to correct font rendering issues in the osd's (the letters overlap eachother) – mythtv 0.20.2

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clever:

and all the frontends are wraped with a TZ= so they mathc up

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clever:

i can probly fire up a second mysqld privately for mythtv

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clever:

with its own TZ= to switch it to local time

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xris:

is mythweb correct?

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** xris goes to find dinner **

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clever:

the info in mythweb(and every other part of myth) is off by 2 hours from local

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clever:

but records right on time because the clock in the myth box is also 2 hours off from local

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SpudDogg:

clever, does it mean anything to you that the blaster works fine while watching tv as long as i change to a channel above 400?

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clever:

no idea

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SpudDogg:

clever, werd...me either

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venger:

clever is gmt-6 your localtime? just trying to understand why your having that variation

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clever:

'local' is gmt-4

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clever:

all of the myth systems are gmt-6

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venger:

ok but out of curiousity why?

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clever:

the mysql server i was running for other stuff needed to be in gmt-6 for the stuff i ran on it

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clever:

and i stuck mythtv onto the same system

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venger:

anyone see Weatherobj() { things in mythweather like its not diplaying correctly? the only post i see about this said to remove glx, which i tried but didn't work

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rcampbel:

I know MYTH_PROTO_VERSION is in mythcontext.h ... but is there any easy way I can see what versions of svn that value changed in?

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rcampbel:

is there a page on the wiki that documents svn versions where backend protocol changes and why?

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riddlebox:

man, I am trying to insert data into the record table of mythconverg, which I enter then run a mythbackend --resched afterwards, but a mythbackend --printsched, it doesnt show up?

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tank-man:

how are you trying to insert data? with mysql?

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tank-man:

why don't you use mythfilldatabase?

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tank-man:

nevermind, he left

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Aval0n:

anyone know where I can find some component video cables with right angle connectors?

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xris:

Aval0n: monoprice.com is my best source for cheap cables. no clue if they have right-angle connector video cables, though

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

'

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Aval0n:

I always shop there

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Aval0n:

but they don't have the r-angle stuff :(

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Aval0n:

they have nice hdmi wallplates though :)

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anonobomber:

Aval0n: ebay might have something

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Aval0n:

i checked

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Aval0n:

:)

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anonobomber:

make damn sure its shielded though

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anonobomber:

a lot of that crap on ebay isn't so you get a bunch of interference

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anonobomber:

Aval0n: http://www.acekaraoke.com/ha2kca3112.html

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

but you lose signal

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Aval0n:

and it makes the cables hang weird

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anonobomber:

pff the loss on something like that should be negligible

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Aval0n:

it's more of the cables hanging weird than anything that bugs me

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Hilikus:

hey guys, is there a way to make the down arrow show the OSD info without changing the channel? i know there is an option to do that with the CHAN button, but i want to change channel ALWAYS if pressed a chan button but only in the OSD if its down arrow

[04:20:41]

Aval0n:

http://shop.vetcosurplus.com/catalog/product_ . . . cd7b02fe9bec

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bsdfox:

hmm, I'm still fighting my ground hum issue.. I grounded my splitter to the same surge protector that my backend is on and it seems to have gotten a little better but is still very visible... I dunno what else to try

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bsdfox:

hmm, I'm still fighting my ground hum issue.. I grounded my splitter to the same surge protector that my backend is on and it seems to have gotten a little better but is still very visible... I dunno what else to try

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kusznir_:

Hi all: Any suggestions how to track down sputtering playback problems on a myth? I'm having issues when recording from my pvr-500 any attempt to watch on the FE is unbearable (frequent pauses). The system used to work, and I can't think of anything that changed (possibly the myth upgrade to integrate into SD, but I'm pretty sure it still worked fine for a while after that...)

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kusznir_:

As far as I can remember, the myth hard-locked one day, and ever since that, things haven't been as good.

[05:14:15]

kusznir_:

I *think* the problem is now IO-related, but I don't know how to check for that, or what to do about it.

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bsdfox:

kusznir_: open a terminal and check dmesg for errors

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kusznir_:

syssem load is 9.73–10 (no commertial flagging in progress; just two PVR recordings and a watch).

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bsdfox:

that's WAY too high

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bsdfox:

what is the hardware

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kusznir_:

I see some of these: ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.

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kusznir_:

ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.

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kusznir_:

P4 1.4Ghz / 384MB RAM.

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bsdfox:

yeah your load is way too high

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kusznir_:

All Standard def TV.

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bsdfox:

did you change the theme or something on the FE?

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kusznir_:

This hardware had been working fine for 3+ years, and now is acting up. I've tried upping the priority of the frontend process, but no effect.

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kusznir_:

Nope.

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kusznir_:

This happens during watching recorded programs primarily.

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kusznir_:

Oh, we do periodically get bad recordings, too....tearing in the video, missing chunks...Sometimes its so bad it kills playback.

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bsdfox:

your load is much too high

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kusznir_:

Yea...It used to say around 2–4 (with concurrent commercial flagging).

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bsdfox:

try closing the frontend and see what your load is

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kusznir_:

The only event I can point to where this started was a hard reset after a bad lock; ever since its been kinda unstable.

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bsdfox:

mine is 0.00 capturing three programs w/ 1 pvr-500 and one pvr-250

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kusznir_:

frontend has been paused for the last ~3 min, load is 3.5

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kusznir_:

(wife & mother-in-law watching at the moment....)

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kusznir_:

I'm watching top, and I see mythbackend, mythfrontend, and two ivtv-enc processes followed by x-window-manager and xfsdatad/0 and occasionally kswapd0

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kusznir_:

mythbackend is using 25% cpu (recording only); the ivtv-enc are using 4%, and frontend on pause is using 11%.

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bsdfox:

seems to me like you might just need some more ram. I have a frontend that's a celeron 800 w/ 384mb ram and it's loaded at about 1.5 watching video

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kusznir_:

System load is 2.75 now with frontend paused for a while.

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bsdfox:

is it all wait time or what?

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kusznir_:

Do you know how to check io load (and see if there's a bottleneck there)?

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bsdfox:

up at the top what

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bsdfox:

s got the higher percentage

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kusznir_:

17–9% wait.

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bsdfox:

kusznir_: you can run bonnie++ and benchmark it

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bsdfox:

other than that I dunno

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bsdfox:

cat /proc/interrupts

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bsdfox:

maybe you're sharing irqs?

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kusznir_:

USB2 and both ivtv's are sharing 9

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kusznir_:

everything else has its own IRQ

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bsdfox:

might try disabling serial ports or parallel ports or whatever is unused to free up another IRQ

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bsdfox:

is the number to the left really high?

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kusznir_:

idle is 37%

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kusznir_:

oh, I get what you were asking....sorry.

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kusznir_:

btw: load is now down to 2.87 (with FE paused for a while now)

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bsdfox:

2.87 basically means your system needs to be 2.8 times faster than it is to do what i's trying to do in realtime

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bsdfox:

so, as you can imagine this should be much lower

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kusznir_:

interrupts for irq9 is 4643446; its a little more than half of nvidia on 11. ide0 has a much larger number.

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kusznir_:

Yes, I figured...I just don't see where its going, so my guess is in jobs sleeping for IO.

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bsdfox:

perhaps you have dma disabled or something?

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bsdfox:

try closing the frontend.. it uses a lot of ram

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kusznir_:

Hmm...hda using dma is off.

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bsdfox:

although capturing shouldn't require much at all

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bsdfox:

that's probably the issue :)

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kusznir_:

things are already looking much better :) 79.7% idle. load falling.

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kusznir_:

mythbackend is using 5% cpu, with ivtv down to 1.7% each.

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bsdfox:

:)

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kusznir_:

fe has been unpaused, and I still have ~35% idle cpu...

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kusznir_:

system load is up to 2.39, but I think that's tollerable.

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kusznir_:

On your system, what are you using for video output card?

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sphery:

CharlieSu: At http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4049 download mythtv-miscellaneous_status_info-example_scripts-20071008.patch (raw format) and from anywhere run: "patch -p0 -i mythtv-miscellaneous_status_info-example_scripts-20071008.patch" then find the myth_upcoming_recordings.pl script in contrib/misc_status_info/ .

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sphery:

CharlieSu: Requires r14625 or above. Use --help to find out how it's used (quick start: get conflicts with "myth_upcoming_recordings.pl --no_show_scheduled --heading 'Conflicts:\n' --plain_text")

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sphery:

CharlieSu: Also check out myth_recent_recordings.pl . With those two, you could e-mail yourself info on recent recordings, upcoming recordings, conflicts, ...

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bsdfox:

kusznir_: agp fx 5200

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kusznir_:

bsdfox: do you run any special hardware acceleration / xvmc? (I'm using GeForce 4 MX440, and trying to figure out if its worth upgrading)

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kusznir_:

bsdfox: btw: load seems to have stabilized around 3.3 with watching and recording.

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kusznir_:

watching and 2 recordings...

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sphery:

xris: Did you read through the thread at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/292639#292639 ?

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sphery:

xris: It seems "a lot" of users are setting up their systems to do a "last-minute" grab of today's data just before normal recording time to catch updates since yesterday's grab.

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bsdfox:

cool. yeah I am running xvmc

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kusznir_:

bsdfox: does your OSD come through in black&white?

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kusznir_:

And do you periodically have video tearing or flickering when the OSD kicks in?

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xris:

sphery: not much we can do about it with the data hosted at TMS

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kusznir_:

(i've had to disable xvmc on my card due to these issues; I thought it was the state of xvmc, but given the age of the card, it seems like newer ones should do better)

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xris:

once it's hosted on our own servers, it'll probably just be flatfiles, so people will get whatever they get based on their turn in line.

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sphery:

xris: I'm against that approach because of the various different configurations (grab all data on a cron job means "suggested time" is useless, accidentally re-grab data on cron, or whatever).

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sphery:

If it makes sense to grab data just before primetime, I think we should build that capability into Myth to prevent misconfigurations, so I'm wondering if it's even worth it?

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xris:

sphery: I think that DD prioritizes the downloads differently, too.. if you download too much in a day, you get really slow speeds.

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xris:

but dunno.

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sphery:

Yeah. I'm just wondering if there are likely to be updates since yesterday's download.

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Ademan:

anyone know of any "good bets" for an infrared port? i can't find any information more specific than that (it's on a laptop btw) also, if it's working it should show up in /dev right?

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bsdfox:

hey is there a key to bring up the program guide when watching a recording or tv? I'm trying to setup my remote and there's a few things I'm not sure how to do

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sphery:

bsdfox_: S

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bsdfox_:

thanks

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sphery:

bsdfox_: Also, might want to see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/292888#292888 and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/283687#283687

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Thralas:

Has anyone managed to apply the coreavc patches to a recent mplayer trunk checkout?

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directhex|work:

why bother? ffmpeg now includes threaded h264 decoding

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Thralas:

Is that of any use on a non-dual core system?

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directhex|work:

probably not, but i didn't think anyone was bothering with hd h264 on old processors

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directhex|work:

and at any rate, using windows codecs (paid ones at that) is a short-term hack

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Thralas:

I am until I get a new system :\ (Not on myth by the way)

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Dread:

hey everyone

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Dread:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI <-- im working through this, and i get an error on make: http://rafb.net/p/dc9Xeg69.txt

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Dread:

any ideas?

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directhex|work:

what kernel are you using?

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Dread:

ummm, whatever feisty fawn is....

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Dread:

2.6.20-16-generic

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directhex|work:

Dread, looks like their script is buggered. run "ln -s /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/build /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/source"

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Dread:

ok, done...

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Dread:

make again?

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Dread:

looks like its working

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Dread:

thanks a lot directhex|work

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juski:

willcooke: thanks for the doovde :)

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willcooke:

juski, No worries – did it arrive in one peice?

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juski:

yeah so did the doggy biccy

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willcooke:

:) hehehe

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juski:

saw in the log somebody has had issues playing back virgin1 recordings. me too. anybody else seen it? cpu usage is stupid like 75–80% as opposed to 30–40%

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willcooke:

Ooo – virgin1 has started has it? I'd better rescan

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juski:

gonna try running em thru ffmpeg to strip the gack out of them & see if that helps

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juski:

willcooke: I'd hold off til next week. we get 'Dave' on the 17th I think

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willcooke:

juski, good call.

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juski:

and btw folks, staying off IRC is good for your sanity – I recommend it

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directhex|work:

it's got lots of star trek at the moment

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directhex|work:

it's like sky 1 without the skybox!

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juski:

directhex|work: not _real_ star trek :(

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willcooke:

juski, don't know if this is a problem with ProjectGrayhem or mythtv-setup on the whole, but – with a screen res. of 800x600 I can't start setup because it says it needs room to create at least on column (or words to that effect)

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juski:

anyway – case anybody is wondering, my domain name has expired & I don't plan renewing it

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juski:

willcooke: dunno. not my problem anymore, sorry

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willcooke:

I've exported it to another display and over ridden the geometry and it works ok

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quicksilver:

we shall have to start calling you formerly-known-as-juski

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willcooke:

fair doo's – don't blame you! ;)

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juski:

quicksilver: I'm not that fucked up am I? sheesh

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quicksilver:

;)

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quicksilver:

no, it was only a cheap joke

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juski:

and as for 0.20 users going with checkouts from svn – I hope they like mashed up icons :P

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juski:

anyway life off the radar is nice so far. no facebook, no gmail.. virtually invisible which is cool. Plus I've been counting the hours spent on a computer on one hand these days

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juski:

speaking of which.. lunchybreak over..

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willcooke:

he'll be back.

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jduggan:

haha

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jduggan:

typical juski

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siXy:

btw willcooke: still having issues with mythtv-setup?

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siXy:

if so try in PAL res – that seemed to work for me

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willcooke:

siXy, got it going by using a different display – but I'll try using a PAL res and see what happens, thanks

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secross:

I am stuck, running latest mythtv debs and mythfrontend cannot get lock, but mythtv-setup does get lock.

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secross:

I am running a tt nova-s dvb sat card on this box and it works fine with kaffeine, but there might be a problem with mythbackend 0.2.20?

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willcooke:

secross, assuming your using dvb-t (or s) setup locks on the MUX and reads the info over the air, this requires much less of a signal than to lock on to a "channel" (there's less room for error correction) the frontend requires a certain quality of signal before it will work.

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mzb_d800:

secross: try increasing your tuning timeouts

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secross:

willcooke, alright i will try another bird, mabye g10r is to weak for mythtv?

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secross:

Is there anybody running the latest debian mythtv packages here using dvb-s?

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secross:

mzb_d800, i will try that, thanks.

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mzb_d800:

secross: helps with tuning (at least) and also gives more realistic signal strength on OSD (once tuned)

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mzb_d800:

(I have dvb-t)

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mzb_d800:

currently I have all timeouts on max (for testing)

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mzb_d800:

STB gives 99%, mythtv gives 95% ... that's acceptable ;)

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secross:

ok, i have tuning timeout maxed at 65000 out and signal maxed out at 60000.

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secross:

i still get signal at 95% sn 4.5db and berr jumping all over the place with no lock, i will try another bird...

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secross:

i meant i am running version 0.20.2–0.2

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quantum:

when I try to start the myfrontend I don't get any audio, it says 2007-10–09 07:42:05.434 Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'.

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quantum:

2007-10–09 07:42:05.434 AudioOutput Error: WARNING: something is currently using

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quantum:

: /dev/dsp, retrying.

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quantum:

anybody know how to fix this?

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mzb_d800:

# lsof /dev/dsp ???

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siXy:

quantum: use alsa not oss

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quantum:

shows nothing,

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quantum:

well it gives me two options for audio output device, dsp and adsp

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quantum:

how do I get alsa?

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quantum:

will it show a choice for alsa if alsa is installed correctly? I have fc7 I thought it was installed by default, maybe not

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siXy:

quantum: first thing to check is that your souncard is actually working in any case. so do lspci and look for it there, also try to play somehting with xmms or similar

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quantum:

yeah xmms is ok

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directhex|work:

cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp

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quantum:

-bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy

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Dagmar:

Yeah, so kill xmmms because you have a cheap sound card that doesn't support sound muxing and you didn't enable dmix

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directhex|work:

some distros don't make dmix work for you automagically?

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** directhex|work reckons aRts or ESD **

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Dagmar:

...and use `speaker-test -c 2 -t wav` to teest.

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Dagmar:

*MOST* distros don't enable dmix automatically.

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directhex|work:

how *gently loved* up

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directhex|work:

no wonder people have a bad impression of linux

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quantum:

yeah speaker test works o.k.

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quantum:

xmms is killed but same thing

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directhex|work:

must be lack of dmix then

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quantum:

can I just do a yum install dmix or something then

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directhex|work:

christ, what a joke. what's the point in making a distro if people need to *gently caress* with an unpleasant config file by hand?

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Dagmar:

Which would you rather have?

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Dagmar:

A distro that wastes your CPU, or a distro that lets you just copy a file into place if you need to.

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Dagmar:

dmix if enabled when not needed is a waste of clockcycles.

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Dagmar:

If people were more picky about what sound cards they purchase, they wouldn't need dmix

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directhex|work:

they shouldn't need to be picky. windows has allowed people to have 2 sounds at once with any hardware since, well, it's existed

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Dagmar:

Windows has also had drivers that had a lot of "tweaks" and probably more than a few that were just plain wasting CPU

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Dagmar:

I'm not even convinced you *can* use hardware muxing in Windows, really.

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slaine_:

NT allowed it iirc, thanks to the HAL

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laga:

re

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laga:

!seen juski

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MythLogBot:

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mzb_d800:

directhex|work: give it a rest. Most distros these days allow simultaneous (mixed) output to sound card. Labelling "Linux" at fault is just ignorance ... this is a distro-related issue. OP has already mentioned using an old (?) version of a distro.

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mzb_d800:

s/ignorance/ignorance on your part/

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directhex|work:

mzb_d800, i know it's a distro related issue. reckon joe public cares when they get handed a livecd to test, and the can't listen to internet radio whilst playing a game?

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mzb_d800:

directhex|work: right, so don't flame "Linux" as a whole, and then compare it to M$, please.

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directhex|work:

mzb_d800, "m$" is a really immature abbreviation to use. and i've been doing this for a LONG time. i was writing guide to using dmix years ago.

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Dagmar:

joe public generally isn't going to know because his distro is going to have already set things up to route through a daemon that handles that, like esd or artsd

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Dagmar:

If you have a problem with it, bitch at the ALSA team and they'll surely give you plenty of notice as to why you get to solve the problem.

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, i never said it was a problem. you're the one who said dmix eats CPUs

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mzb_d800:

get a day job

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Dagmar:

Just because Microsoft does something and you don't see it fucking up outright does NOT mean they're doing the right thing, or that it's not fucking up tremendously behind the scenes.

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Dagmar:

I said no such thing.

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Dagmar:

I said it's a waste of CPU power if it's not needed.

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Dagmar:

Just like we don't freaking use Mesa for GL screensavers if there's actual hardware-based GL present

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, dmix is on by default in alsa 1.0.9rc2 and higher. you'd recommend using an older release to avoid it?

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Dagmar:

No, I don't.

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Dagmar:

I buy cards that don't need it so I don't have to give a damn

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Dagmar:

So, if dmix is on by default as you say, then what's your fucking problem?

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thoraxe:

swearing is my problem

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directhex|work:

thoraxe, *gently caress* you

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Dagmar:

thoraxe: Tell a grown-up.

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thoraxe:

dagmar: i was hoping there would be some in here ;)

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Dagmar:

There are.

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thoraxe:

where?

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Cyberai:

does anyone know if there is a way to use test-mpeg2 to test a broadcast based firewire connection? Or is there a program that can do so?

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mzb_d800:

I wouldn't admit to being an adult in case I earned something unwanted ;)

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Dagmar:

We're the ones who consider the claim that dmix is on by default to be a little suspect, since we've recently had to enable it on one machine for someone.

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directhex|work:

http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin

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directhex|work:

"NOTE: For ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher you don't need to setup dmix. Dmix is enabled as default for soundcards which don't support hw mixing."

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Dagmar:

Aha

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Dagmar:

That's what I suspected it was going to be

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Dagmar:

I guess it's not 100% accurate yet

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Dagmar:

...not suprising.

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Dagmar:

Intel HDA is the freaking devil's work

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directhex|work:

can't say i've noticed, but i don't use it on my primary machine

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directhex|work:

which has emu10k1

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Dagmar:

Yeah they all have hardware muxing

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Dagmar:

This would be why I went right back out and bought four more SBLive! cards once I figured out how badass they were (for $20 each you have to be kidding me)

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GreyFoxx:

heh I've got a box with 3 of them. Those things rock

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GreyFoxx:

spares for when I have to replace my current ones

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I was just super-pleased at the realtime filtering capabilities of those things

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Dagmar:

That emu10k1 chip is what used to be in this little piece of rack audio gear made by Alesys

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directhex|work:

and now creative are moving to their new x-fi chip

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Dagmar:

Yeah that's kind of a mistake, IMHO

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Dagmar:

It lets them do theatre-type stuff more easily, but fuck that

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Dagmar:

I want effects processing

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laga:

what kind of processing can the emu10k1 do?

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Dagmar:

Disturbing things

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GreyFoxx:

hehe I use to love that "environmental audio" stuff

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Dagmar:

Echo, reverbs, flanges, pitch shifts, transforms, you name it

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GreyFoxx:

I used it for live voicechanging and such

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GreyFoxx:

I fooled several people with it hooked into a phone

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Dagmar:

You know that weird multi-voice filter they use in the movies when kidnappers are making their demands over the phone?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah that was fun

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Dagmar:

That was a *pre-set* in the Win98 drivers that were initially released for the SBLive

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laga:

nice

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Dagmar:

After 9/11 some hyper-sensitive motherfucker must have complained and that particular one was removed and purged from the archives

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GreyFoxx:

I was sad that it was dropped and even more so to never find any linux equivalent softwre for it

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Dagmar:

That stuff is available for Linux

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Dagmar:

You just have to dig on Creative's site for it

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GreyFoxx:

Cool

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GreyFoxx:

I'll have to do that one day

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GreyFoxx:

What I want is something to "live" process a voice to sound like the borg :)

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laga:

well, you can do a lot of that stuff these days on windows, eg with a realtek chip. no need for a emu10k1 anymore

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Dagmar:

I should do it again soon because I *was* using it to do realtime effects on my DJ sets

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but the realteks don't seem to be able to handle teh resolution or the complexity

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Dagmar:

I'm guessing because they might as well be winsound

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siXy:

its DTS passthrough via spdif hardware dependant? or can any card with coax/opt digital out pass the strea to an external decoder?

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Kazan:

anyone know if openGL renderers are stable again in trunk?

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directhex|work:

siXy, justworks(tm) with the onboard realtek/hda on on mythtv machine

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directhex|work:

siXy, requires a sensible asound.conf i expect

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zntneo:

anyone have a clue why my mythtv box is not commercial flagging?

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siXy:

directhex|work: thats good :) so el-cheapo soundcard (terratec i think) with spdif has a good chance. i will try tonight

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GreyFoxx:

should be nifty once -pip, -vid (again) and -multirec are all merged along with a new ffmpeg sync

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, multirec is an exciting feature. exciting is good.

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siXy:

is multirec the thing to allow you to to record 2 things on a single multiplex?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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zntneo:

anyone?

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GreyFoxx:

I've been using it for a while doing 8 at a time

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siXy:

is that in svn -fixes or only in trunk?

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GreyFoxx:

the code is set to a max of 5 but it was a 1 line code change to change it to allow 8

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GreyFoxx:

siXy: a branch of trunk

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mzb_d800:

zntneo: check your logs

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siXy:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

I'm picking up another QAM capable dvb card and switching my fathers mythbox to -multirec in the next week or so

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GreyFoxx:

almost all of the shows he watches are available in the clear, and almost all on the same multiplex

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GreyFoxx:

so that and his current pvr 250 should do him well

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zntneo:

i am looking at my mythtv log and i see no errors

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mzb_d800:

frontend AND backend logs

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siXy:

zntneo: maybe you didnt tell it to commercial flag?

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mzb_d800:

zntneo: check your status page (as well)

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Cyberai:

this is weird, nothing I do in mythweb has any effect. I cna schedule something to record, but it doesn't

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Cyberai:

has anyone seen that before?

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siXy:

Cyberai: check backend logs

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zntneo:

i did just record one and it didn't

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zntneo:

although i am running it manually and it only says there is 1 not commflagged

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zntneo:

but mythweb reports that almost all my recordings are not commflagged

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Neeesat:

Hello to all. I have install latest mythtv from SVN and when I start mythfrontend I only see a blue screen. Any idea please?

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Daviey:

yeah..

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Daviey:

try 0.20.2 – released

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siXy:

Neeesat: which painter are you using? qt or ogl?

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siXy:

but better just try the stable one like Daviey said

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Daviey:

-fixes *should* be stable – but rollback to http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=Downlo . . . ad&cid=1 :)

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Neeesat:

what about svn with fixes

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Neeesat:

siXy the painter is been set from mythfrontend. correct?

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siXy:

Neeesat: yeah]

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siXy:

should be qt by defualt, changing to ogl can cause all sorts of issues, esp with <shudder>compiz</shudder>

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Neeesat:

I cant even start mythfrontend at all

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Neeesat:

I can edit the database with phpmyadmin thought

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Neeesat:

anyway I am download the stable version at the momment

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LD:

morning

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LD:

any firewire gurus around?

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LD:

hello jimbalaya

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jimbalaya:

hi

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LD:

what is the command to get the information of a firewire DVR? I can't remember

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Kazan:

whenever i do rebuilds (core, then plugins) should i make clean plugins?

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LD:

I prefer to

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LD:

what is the command to get the information of a firewire DVR? I can't remember

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beata:

is there a setting/way to change the quality of the transcoding for streaming video through mythweb?

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jblack:

I have over 1,000 tv shows on myth now. lol

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fryfrog:

wowsa!

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fryfrog:

recorded or not?

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jblack:

recorded

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SpudDogg:

if i run the channel_change.sh script manually, it changes the channel on my cable box perfectly, but when i actually go to watch tv and change channels, the ir blaster puts out a bunch of garbage like 277250. anyone know why?

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fryfrog:

what sort of card you recording from?

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jblack:

I'm using a pair of HD5500s

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fryfrog:

wow, so 1,000 mostly HD shows?

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jblack:

spud: I don't. Sorry

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jblack:

fry: well, 1000 transcoded HD shows

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SpudDogg:

jblack, that is the common answer on this one :( been looking for a long time now

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fryfrog:

do you auto-transcode the HD shows?

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fryfrog:

are you a watcher, then deleter? or do you watch and keep?

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jblack:

Yup. I auto-transcode everything.

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jblack:

Primetime stuff gets scrunched down to a gig an hour. News shows gets squished down to about 150 megs.

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fryfrog:

wow

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fryfrog:

do you use myth's built in stuff to transcode?

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jblack:

Yup

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fryfrog:

and 9G/hr -> 1G/hr, the quality is... okay?

[16:08:49]

GreyFoxx:

I have a huge archive, but only ~60–80 recorded at any one time

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jblack:

I'm happy with it. It's about 4 times as good as you see with 600 meg divx movies.

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: archived to disk?

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GreyFoxx:

my archive being rips all of my dvd's and of some shows

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: yes

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fryfrog:

er, dvds i mean

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GreyFoxx:

mythtv@narf:~$ find /data/video -type f | wc -l

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GreyFoxx:

2065

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fryfrog:

if that is disk :)

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fryfrog:

oh, really to disk (hd)

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GreyFoxx:

oh, no not to dvd

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fryfrog:

someday i'd like to build a monster myth system for my campus when we build it :)

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GreyFoxx:

I lost some of my archive recently due to a typo where I deleted a directory I shouldn't have hehe

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fryfrog:

at that time, i bet 1TB HDs are $100 too!

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jblack:

Well, a 750 gigger will cost you perhaps 250

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GreyFoxx:

I have 3 1TB raid5's in 2 seperate machines

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** jblack remembers when he spent 800 bucks building a 240 gig raid5 system **

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: made up of what size drives?

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GreyFoxx:

1 is all 250's the other 2 are 320's

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fryfrog:

I jsut went from 6x320G -> 8x320G in my (only) raid5 array. 1.5TB -> 2.1TB

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GreyFoxx:

my office one (which I don't count as mine really as it's shared) is 5 500G drives

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GreyFoxx:

all in all way more stuff than I cuold watch in areasonably amount of time :)

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jblack:

There's one thing about these huge datasets and huger drives.. It kind of makes the old "where's your backup" cliche archaic.

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siXy:

jblack: um no...

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siXy:

you delete all your data by accident you will still need that ackup

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GreyFoxx:

heh my work drive failed yesterday/ IO'

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siXy:

s/ackup/backup

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jblack:

Archaic, as in practically impossible.

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GreyFoxx:

I've got it syncing to a new raid array now. painfully slow as the original is kicking and screaming :)

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fryfrog:

yeah, practically impossible :p

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jblack:

I don't know of a way for consumers to back up data measured in single digit terrabytes

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fryfrog:

I backup a few 100G of important stuff (my website, music), but I don't bother with my tv shows and such, its just to much data.

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GreyFoxx:

This is no longer the era of CD/DVD backups

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fryfrog:

exactly :p

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siXy:

every now and then I see LTO2s on ebay... but i guess you have a point. personally i use a secondary array as bakcup

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fryfrog:

it took me like 10–15 DVD-RW just to get my music backed up :(

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siXy:

(LTO2=400GB)

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GreyFoxx:

even hd backups suck. Drive to Drive, or Gigabit to drive is just too slow

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jblack:

That's rather my point... that it's quickly becoming archaic

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GreyFoxx:

and tapes... are horrible

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fryfrog:

the tape drives are pretty expensive, no? and the tapes themselves arent cheap

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jblack:

grey: Yeah, now that you mention it. That can take hours for large drives

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GreyFoxx:

and slow

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jblack:

Don't forget unreliable

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fryfrog:

I think I'd probably just buy the largest pair of HDs I could, then make an identical backup to each. Turn it off and lock them away someplace

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fryfrog:

but even that isn't very safe :/

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siXy:

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

maybe i should keep my eye open for one :)

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fryfrog:

course, the cost of like 10 tapes is going to be pretty high

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fryfrog:

could probably just build another 1TB array and keep it mostly offline

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fryfrog:

anyone ever seen/done/played with an array built on external usb or firewire?

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siXy:

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siXy:

array on usb sounds like an excellent way to play russian roulette with data

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jblack:

fry: Well, there's raid 1 for that.

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jblack:

But yeah, that doesn't exactly solve the "offsite backup" problem

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siXy:

trouble with usb is that on boot the devics dont necesarily get the same device id

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siXy:

so any kind of permanet structure involving mulplie usb drives is liable to be unstable

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jblack:

You should be able to cope fine with that by using udev

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jblack:

Just make a symlink for that id

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siXy:

jblack: in theory yeah.. but would you trust your array's integrity to that?

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Fl1p:

hi, im new to mythv and have one question : Does the MythTv Frontend able run any Plugin(Emulator for example) or just playback media?

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jblack:

Absolutely? You can't. Alan cox was talking about just that problem for massive data needs

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jblack:

fl1p: There's gobs of frontends available, sometimes from third parties. there's even a plugin to start emulators. :)

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Dagmar:

r2r4: Depends on what kind of link

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Fl1p:

jblack : i know its the MythtvGame Plugin, i want to know if the Frontend just "tells" the Backend to playback/start and just transfers the screen output

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jblack:

I believe it just launches it

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jblack:

So the emulator/files will have to be locally stored, much like mythmusic.

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jblack:

I use nfs to distribute stuff myself

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Fl1p:

jblack : The Idea is to have a lightweight and silent frontend in my bedroom with USB Gamepads attached for playing emulator games and the hard work is done from a stronger and noisy pc the other room

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jblack:

The processing will happen on the front end.

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siXy:

Fl1p: its the frontend that actually runs th game not the backend. that said its perfectly possible to build a silent-ish pc thats powerful enough to run emulator games

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jblack:

I suppose you could set up an emulator wrapper that runs it over vlc

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siXy:

ah yeah true – although latency might be an issue

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Fl1p:

siXy : great! it´s all about noise in the bedroom when playing or watching a movie

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Fl1p:

i´ve read a few reports and tutorials for mythtv hardware is there any favorite box for being the frontend ?

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jblack:

I like using laptops. They're quiet, they have a screen, and they even have a hard drive

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Fl1p:

hmm laptop with s-video out should do the trick, you´re right

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jblack:

Why bother with s-video, if there's a screen built in?

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Fl1p:

too small

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Fl1p:

when you got a big sized tv (CRT by now)

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jblack:

I supose if you want a large screen.

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jblack:

Get a usb ir device, get a wireless keyboard and mouse... You'll be set. You could even do web browsing if you set the default font large enough

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jblack:

Or... you could blow yet more money, and get one of those 720p hd sets that have monitor hookups. :)

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jblack:

I was thinking about getting one of those for my game machine

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Fl1p:

far too expensive

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jblack:

Then screw it and get a pair of rabbit ears. eighteen bucks. =)

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** GreyFoxx wants some nice wireless gamepads for use with myth **

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siXy:

if the xbox 360 ones work in linux, they are nice

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GreyFoxx:

something with "limited" range multiple channels incase I have several seperate sets in the house

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GreyFoxx:

yeah but I have a 360, I don't want any conflicts :)

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jblack:

I heard that the 360 isn't very practical due to the lack of hardware acceleration

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jblack:

That may be the ps3 I'm thinking about

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GreyFoxx:

I might pick up some Saitek P2900's

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jblack:

holy wow. despite the housing problems, consumer debt went up 12 bil last month

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siXy:

meh people just cant stop using credit cards...

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siXy:

they will come to regret it i suspect

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jblack:

That's a big chunk of it. 8% leap in revolving, 4.7% in non-revolving (car loans)

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psymin:

jblack, s/despite/because\ of/ ?

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psymin:

using cc to pay living expenses?

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jblack:

well, the theory for a long while was that people were shifting revolving debt into home equity.. Home eq dried up, debt was _supposed_ to slow.

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psymin:

ahh

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jblack:

People in the debt death spiral, yeah, they use CCs to make monthly expenses (since they have massive revolving payments already)

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jblack:

I don't know who's more stupid. The companies taht are loaning out all that money, because they'll never get all of it back, or consumers that overuse it, that'll never pay it off

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fryfrog:

I've owed like 3k on my CC for the past few months and I hated it

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fryfrog:

I can't imagine owing like 20k, 50k or 100k :/

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siXy:

people i feel sorry for are those in the luxary entertainment industry, like themeparks etc... when the bottom falls out of the economy they will really struggle

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jblack:

sixy: Yeah.

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jblack:

My neighbors two houses down... their gas got shut off last winter because they didn't pay. But they have HBO.

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siXy:

hmm – i have faac and faac-devel installed but for soem reason mythplugins doesnt wanna enable aac

[16:49:43]

jblack:

maybe mythplugins needs a recompile?

[16:49:43]

sebrock:

what can I do if log says that file did not exist when trying to delete it so metadata will not be removed from DB?

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jblack:

sebrock: You want to remove the metadata for a file that no longer exists?

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sebrock:

yes jblack

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siXy:

jblack: trying to compile plythplugins at the minute :) ./configure --enable-all

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jblack:

there's a menu option, hold on

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siXy:

mythplugins

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sebrock:

oh great :D

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jblack:

You should be able to just delete from anywhere you can normally delete, and it'll clear it out... but, there's a special place to remove just metadata

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jblack:

which I can't find at the moment

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sebrock:

:/ jblack, backend setting?

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jblack:

It _might_ be, but I thought the frontend.

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jblack:

Anyways, why don't you just delete from the frontend. That should clear out the metadata regardless of the file not existing.

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sebrock:

I tried, log says file not existing therefore not removing metadata?

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sebrock:

which I find a bit strange

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jblack:

Ok. Then cheat.

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jblack:

touch the file, then delete it. ;)

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jblack:

Later everyone. Have fun

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siXy:

hmm even with the myth lib directory in path, myth staill cannot find libmythtv-0.20.2.so.0

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siXy:

still*

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siXy:

is myth hardcoded to expect libs in a certain place?

[17:18:02]

fryfrog:

probably not

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fryfrog:

it should search your library path, but do "ldd mythbackend" or "ldd mythfrontend" and see what it says

[17:18:36]

fryfrog:

also, make sure ld.so.conf is correct (or how ever it is managed on your distro)

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Dagmar:

It's always going to be /etc/ld.so.conf

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sebrock:

is everybody who is using xmltv-grabber getting error code 256?

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siXy:

hmm seems it was expecting them in /usr/lib despite configuring to install in /usr/local/.. as well :) thanks

[17:22:58]

Dagmar:

Yes, having them in both directories is full of fail.

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Dagmar:

s/fail/lose/;

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sebrock:

and: should streaming really stream? I always get a save to file question instead... this maybe depends on the operating system which is recieving? (mythweb)

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Dagmar:

...and the mime type your web server emits

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sebrock:

Dagmar, mpg

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sebrock:

I guess at least

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Dagmar:

It's a little more complex than just "mpeg"

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sebrock:

GUess so ;)

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sebrock:

would you mind to explain? Would be nice to get it to stream

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Dagmar:

Gotta leave the office or I'd direct you to the appropriate Apache docs

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Dagmar:

In short, there's two parts to those mime types

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Dagmar:

like video/mpeg or x-stream/mpg

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Dagmar:

Two different things, separated by a slash

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Dagmar:

There's even binary-octet/mpeg

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Dagmar:

THe behaviour the browser exhibits is managed by a combination of factors

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sebrock:

Dagmar alright, basically I havn't done anything else to mythweb than pointing it to the right dir

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sebrock:

as I thought it was already set to streaming...

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twitchnln:

greetings

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twitchnln:

how should this be written correctly? mythtvosd --template=scroller --scroll_text=\"' . $message_string . '\" it doesn't recognize the variable, and prints "$message_string"

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twitchnln:

what am i doing wrong?

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funburn:

is there a way to tell emerge not to worry about overwriting files from other packages?

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twitchnln:

also how would i change $message_string to the ouput of a shell script?

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janneg:

funburn: look for FEATURES in /etc/make.conf.example

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sebrock:

when com. flagging is done, is it re-encoding the whole mpeg then? the one created at recording point by PVR-500?

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bsdfox_:

anyone got a fix for the green blocky video sometimes? I'm on xorg 7.3 and the newest nvidia drivers

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bsdfox_:

just started when I upgraded to them..

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siXy:

bsdfox_: not seen that one before. is it an 8xxx card?

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GreyFoxx:

sebrock: no, comflagging is just reading/analysing the recording

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GreyFoxx:

it doesn't alter it

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funburn:

janneg: thanks, I just realized that this was the wrong chan

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bsdfox_:

nope, 6600gt

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sebrock:

GreyFoxx, so the flagging is saved as positions and not in the actual file?

[18:03:05]

Dread:

anyone got experience with this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI

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sebrock:

in DB or whaterver?

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GreyFoxx:

sebrock: Correct

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sebrock:

GreyFoxx, ok so that is done on the fly and should not require a "job"?

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GreyFoxx:

It's an option you can enable in the frontend settings to happen automatically

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GreyFoxx:

OR you can kick it off manually

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sebrock:

ok thanks

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sebrock:

btw, if mythfrontend does not find a specific file in the recorded folder, I noticed that backend wont delete metadata? Is this possible to change. Now I do it manually when needed (touch file etc.)?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah touch and then delete

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sebrock:

why is it designed like that? Just wondering

[18:08:39]

GreyFoxx:

like what ?

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sebrock:

not deleting when file is not present

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GreyFoxx:

Because usually it's an error condition and files shouldnb't be deleted out from under myth

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GreyFoxx:

so maybe your NFS./samba mount isn't properly mounted for example

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sebrock:

alright ok tnx greyfoxx,

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sebrock:

oh one last thing

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GreyFoxx:

if we delete from the database then when the mount is fixed the file will never been deleted and take up space forever

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sebrock:

I'm just about to try mythweb, and trying to tell where my videos are stored

[18:11:06]

sebrock:

however, when I link the dir, I get this full NFS path (altough the link is done on backend)

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sebrock:

wonder if you understand the issue ;D

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sebrock:

see, I link from /var/www/mythweb/data/video to my video dir (which is locally on the same computer)

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sebrock:

when I click on one of the videos links in mythweb, I get this: The requested URL /data/video//private/Network/Servers/192.168.0.3/var/Files/200GB/Movies/Airplane Extended Version (DVD)/lop-airpl.IMG

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daan:

Hi

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sebrock:

which looks like my NFS share on my mac

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GreyFoxx:

sebrock: that I don't know

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sebrock:

really strange that

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GreyFoxx:

I don't currently have that setup

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daan:

I'm trying to get my 855GM videocard (i810) working under Xorg ;) can someone tell me how i can remove the huge black borders from the image i get? serached for 4 days now but no solution yet ;)

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GreyFoxx:

but hold on and I'll set it up

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sebrock:

oh you would? you are ace man

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GreyFoxx:

I have mythweb running on a box that nfs mounts the video directory. Gimme a sec

[18:16:57]

GreyFoxx:

hmmm works fine for me

[18:17:10]

jblack:

Don't have kids.

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GreyFoxx:

I have /data/video on all mymachines which contains videos, and mythweb is seeing it correctly

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sebrock:

GreyFoxx, my video is not stored in /data/video, its stored on a different location which I do a symbolic link to

[18:18:29]

sebrock:

wait which /data/video is that? I'm talking about the one in mythweb right?

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GreyFoxx:

sebrock: As much as possible you want to refer to it in acommon location

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GreyFoxx:

I have all mythfrontends pointed to /data/video

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GreyFoxx:

and mythweb is looking at the same location

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sebrock:

so your video and video_icons (is that last one correct) in mythweb is pointing to /data/video?

[18:20:23]

sebrock:

well, it works under the frontend

[18:20:31]

sebrock:

just mythweb does not like it

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sebrock:

btw, is it "video_icons"?

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GreyFoxx:

my video is /data/video my coverfiles/posters is /data/video/covers

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GreyFoxx:

Mythweb is automatically reading my mythvideo settintgs. "VideoStartupDir" and "VideoArtworkDir"

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GreyFoxx:

I didn't have to actually tell it anything

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sebrock:

what is that symbolic link called? I deleted it by mistake the other day? the symbolic link in mythweb for video covers? video_covers?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't have a link for it in mine

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sebrock:

hm

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sebrock:

can't figure this out really

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GreyFoxx:

Hmmm this is odd. According to mythweb my backend is still recording Heroes from last night

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GreyFoxx:

but I watched and removed it already

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floppyears:

GreyFoxx: weird, does the mythfrontend status also shows the same ?

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GreyFoxx:

floppyears: I bounced the backend already

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floppyears:

oh

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CharlieSu:

GreyFoxx: how was Heroes?? I haven't watched yet.. but it is mythed up

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GreyFoxx:

I liked it. they reintroduce syler (spl?)

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sphery:

CharlieSu: did you see my message about the check-for-conflicts script?

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CharlieSu:

sphery: possibly. was it about the Perl Module?

[18:34:27]

sphery:

It uses the Perl bindings.

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sphery:

You are using SVN trunk, right?

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CharlieSu:

sphery: always :)

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sphery:

Once you upgrae to r14625 or above, the example scripts in #4049 should be useful.

[18:36:06]

sphery:

Anyway, just wanted to let you know I finally got it finished.

[18:36:18]

sphery:

It started small and kept growing, so it took longer than I planned.

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CharlieSu:

sphery: thanks!.. I'll check that out.. i'm at r14526 right now but I'll grab HEAD here in a few minutes

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sphery:

enjoy

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CharlieSu:

Thanks for the time you put in

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daan:

I'm trying to get my 855GM videocard (i810) working under Xorg ;) can someone tell me how i can remove the huge black borders from the image i get? serached for 4 days now but no solution yet ;)

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defaultro:

hey folks, is it possible to tell mythtv to use a different player?

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sphery:

daan: I know nothing about that or other Intel-based cards, but have you tried the intel driver rather than the i810 driver?

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Kernel:

hello all. im looking to improve quality on my tv card...i think we have realy crappy line quality here...would buying a singal booster improve the picture?

[19:11:28]

defaultro:

what is your source?

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fryfrog:

Kernel: comcast put an amp *outside* my house, right on the main incoming line

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fryfrog:

it helped a ton

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defaultro:

did it cost you something for the amp?

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fryfrog:

but i don't think i'd do an amp unless you can put it *right* where it comes in

[19:11:59]

fryfrog:

no, comcast gave it to me for free

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Kernel:

this is on a pvr-150

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defaultro:

hmm, that's a good idea, what did you tell them?

[19:12:43]

fryfrog:

well, my signal was *bad*

[19:12:54]

fryfrog:

my cable modem was losing signal, the hd dvr was failing

[19:12:57]

fryfrog:

it was obvious :p

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defaultro:

should I tell them lately for almost 3 weeks, i've been getting bad signals :)

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Kernel:

hmm id totaly call them. but im pretty sure all these splits are illegal.

[19:13:17]

fryfrog:

i mean, *i* didn't suggest an amp (in fact, i'd rather them fix the cable in my area then give me an amp)

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fryfrog:

why would splits be illegal?

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fryfrog:

unless you are splitting from your neighbor's house/apartment?

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defaultro:

splits aren't illegal

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defaultro:

:P

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Kernel:

there not?

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Kernel:

im pretty sure they are?

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Kernel:

like one cable line coming into my house. then its like a sipders legs off of it lol

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defaultro:

it's not illegal

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CharlieSu:

So i currently have a regular TV but am getting a HDTV this weekend.. So I'm wondering about mythtv in HD. I currently have a PVR 150 setup, but now i'm wondering what kind of card i need to get for HD? Anyone?

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fryfrog:

Kernel: nah, that is not illegal, it is SOP

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fryfrog:

CharlieSu: depends on where your HD is coming from

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Kernel:

sop?.

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fryfrog:

standard operating procedure

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defaultro:

fryfrog, i had a question earlier, can I use a different player in mythtv for the regular recordings?

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CharlieSu:

fryfrog: would you elaborate? US cable..

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Kernel:

ah. my mom is convinced its illegal and is paranoid about it......she wouldnt get cable internet or digital cable cuz of it lol

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fryfrog:

defaultro: i spose in theory you could um, write a script that transcodes them and removes them from db, then sends to mythvideo

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fryfrog:

but asside from that, i don't think so

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fryfrog:

Kernel: seriously?

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defaultro:

ok

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fryfrog:

CharlieSu: For cable, you can try an HD card that supports QAM, but you are likely to only get the FTA channels and *maybe* a few non-good channels that are not encrypted.

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defaultro:

is there somewhere on the db where I can use filename as criteria then it would spit out the title?

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fryfrog:

Or, if you have an HD STB, you could use firewire

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Kernel:

fryfrog: im super cerial

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Kernel:

;-0

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Kernel:

southpark reference ^^

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CharlieSu:

fryfrog: so is there no way to blast the cable box or something?

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fryfrog:

Well, splitting your own cable that you pay for is totally legal. Even "splitting" satalite is okay, but it phsyically works differently. With satalite though, you usually have to pay a bit extra per STB.

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fryfrog:

what do you mean "blast" the cable box?

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fryfrog:

as in, send signals to it?

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CharlieSu:

fryfrog: yeah.. IR to change the channel or something

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defaultro:

use firewire to change channels too

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fryfrog:

CharlieSu: HD STB with firewire gets you channel changing and data via firewire, if it works, it is great.

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fryfrog:

The signal is digital and usually much smaller than via an MPEG2 card.

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fryfrog:

ie, 30min for me was like 600MB instead of 1.1G on my PVR500

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Kernel:

hmm well this is good to know. i always thought if you wanted another cable jack you would need to have them do it..and they would charge you more for the extra cable jack

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defaultro:

my recording from firewire is almost the same from my dvico

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fryfrog:

but the hard part is 1) your cable company giving you a firewire STB and 2) you getting one that works with MythTV and 3) their firewire support doesn't totally suck

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CharlieSu:

humm.. ok.. do i ask for firewire STB? or what?

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defaultro:

i just said that I want a working firewire since my HDTV has firewire

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defaultro:

:P

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floppyears:

so a couple of months ago, I setup a mythtv box with 2 pvr 150 tuner cards

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CharlieSu:

defaultro: ok.. cool.. where can i get more info on this firewire mythtv stuff?

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floppyears:

what's going to happen in january of 2009 ? will cable providers stop supporting sd tv ?

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defaultro:

wiki

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defaultro:

fryfrog maybe has better words to say to the comcast folks

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defaultro:

about firewire request

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defaultro:

i don't know if I mentioned about FCC mandates that .....

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floppyears:

ok

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CharlieSu:

does the STB firewire get all channels ?

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fryfrog:

CharlieSu: Depending on the provider, you are almost garenteed a firewire port *if* you go with HD>

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defaultro:

no

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defaultro:

some do

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fryfrog:

CharlieSu: any channel you pay for, you *should* get

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defaultro:

mine don't

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fryfrog:

*but* it also depends on your provider *and* your area

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CharlieSu:

fryfrog: awesome. that is what i want to hear

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defaultro:

but not if they're encrypted fryfrog

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gbee:

may have been a huge mistake to exchange Mandriva for Kubuntu :(

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fryfrog:

for me, I got *everything*. for others, they don't

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CharlieSu:

fryfrog: where are you?? I'm in Texas

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fryfrog:

it is hit or miss, basically you are gonna have to get the cable box and find out

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fryfrog:

Atlanta, gA

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CharlieSu:

ok.. cool. what card do you have fryfrog ? any recomendations?

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fryfrog:

Kernel: You can pay the cable company to *install* new jacks (ie, they charge for parts and labour), but they won't charge you an added monthly fee.

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defaultro:

is it still open fryfrog?

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fryfrog:

CharlieSu: with firewire STB, you don't need any card, just a firewire port.

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fryfrog:

defaultro: I gave back my STBs to save money, canceled "cable tv"

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defaultro:

so how are you recording now, via hd card?

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fryfrog:

so i switched to my 2 OTA HD cards and a PVR500 that pulls the analog cable channels.

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defaultro:

gotcha

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Kernel:

fryfrog: ah. guess we have been wrong all this lol. thanks for clearing the air :-)

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fryfrog:

Kernel: np.

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defaultro:

my air2pc is sleeping in the mobo

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defaultro:

i don't have anything connected to it :(

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fryfrog:

In fact, the "splitting" mess you have now was probably initially done *by* your cable co :p

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CharlieSu:

fryfrog: does it only do one channel at a time per STB w/ firewire?

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defaultro:

it's a shame that it cannot see channels on comcast

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defaultro:

charlie, only once

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fryfrog:

defaultro: i couldn't get any good stuff over QAM on my air2pc cards, but OTA with plain old boring rabbit ears, i get 3 or 5 channels.

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defaultro:

i think, that's what I should do too

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fryfrog:

CharlieSu: yeah, you need one STB / "tuner" or simult recording you wanna do

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fryfrog:

I had 2 of comcasts HD-DVRs and they were unreliable as hell

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defaultro:

i don't know if I should put an antenna again on my roof but it's a new roof :(

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fryfrog:

I think I missed about 30–40% of recordings, either by totally not recording them or by recording gobeldy gook.

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fryfrog:

defaultro: grab some cheap/free rabbit ears, *any* will do. Try and see.

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defaultro:

yep

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fryfrog:

the rabbit ears I got were from our lake house that someone left there

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fryfrog:

(to far away to get signal even from roof mast antenna)

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defaultro:

but how far are you from the towers?

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fryfrog:

10–20 miles? according to antennaweb.org

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defaultro:

i am 45–50 miles

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fryfrog:

oh :(

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defaultro:

well, i think, I should still try

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defaultro:

adding an rg6 cable with nothing on the other end can still tune to fox channel but rainy

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defaultro:

that's analog

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fryfrog:

sounds promising

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fryfrog:

one of my parent's tvs is like that

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fryfrog:

the cable co disconnected that line cause it was causing bad feedback

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defaultro:

and you know what, i noticed the other day when I cleaned up myth, my air2pc is burning like hell. It was so hot

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fryfrog:

it still got like 8 OTA channels :)

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defaultro:

the coax port was so hot

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defaultro:

any ideas why it's like this?

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fryfrog:

yeah, those tuner boxes heat up

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defaultro:

so it's normal

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fryfrog:

same on most cards

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fryfrog:

yeah, just make sure you get good circulation

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defaultro:

yep, it's open

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fryfrog:

an open case isn't always "better"

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defaultro:

i thought it was broken :)

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defaultro:

oh

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Dagmar:

Generally an open case is worse

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fryfrog:

depending on how air flows through your case

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defaultro:

ok

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fryfrog:

i'd say unless you have a fan outside your case, pointed at the system, open is going to be worse :)

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LD:

hey

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LD:

back on the firewire trail

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LD:

fryfrog, whats the commad to pull a firewire devices model id?

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fryfrog:

plugreport, afair

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defaultro:

plugreport

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defaultro:

is making linux as dvhs as myth?

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defaultro:

is making linux as dvhs a myth?

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fryfrog:

firewire_tester and 6200ch will give you some other details too

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fryfrog:

defaultro: what?

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LD:

yes, some, but I need the actual modelid to add into 6200ch for it to work

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fryfrog:

use 6200ch -v i think

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fryfrog:

it'll spit it out when it says "couldn't find model blah blah blah"

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LD:

got it, thanks

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LD:

I really need to find where to send this in for inclusion

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fryfrog:

trac

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fryfrog:

svn.mythtv.org

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LD:

... or save that specific .c file off somewhere

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fryfrog:

make a .diff and submit it, i've done 2 or 3

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defaultro:

it's like making linux as a compliant vhs drive then stb will send data to it in clear

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defaultro:

someone before used DDR1394 to make linux as d-vhs

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defaultro:

this is what I followed before but didn't work -> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-734242.html

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fryfrog:

ah, never heard of it

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defaultro:

:) anyways, it's fine

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LD:

well, got that working

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TheAsp:

is there a way to get firewire to stop hopping between node 0/1? Or atleast make myth figure out it changed?

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TheAsp:

perhaps some script that checks to see what is plugged in and update the database accordingly?

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LD:

personally I'd like to just get firewire video out as well as channel change

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LD:

beter quality

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TheAsp:

well, i have that :)

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fryfrog:

TheAsp: in svn head, mythtv locks onto the boxes serial / id instead of the node

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TheAsp:

oh

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TheAsp:

sweet

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fryfrog:

so that sort of fixes it, unless you have to script shit to make yours work well

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TheAsp:

i have to do the stabalize thing sometimes

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fryfrog:

LD: what do you mean? are you not able to *capture* firewire video?

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fryfrog:

firewire_tester you mean?

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TheAsp:

yeah

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

i had to do that at *every* channel change :(

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TheAsp:

i can't seem to get p2p to work as well, but this is working for me

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LD:

firewire tester fails

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fryfrog:

yeah, for a *long* time I tried p2p

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fryfrog:

when i switched to broadcast instead, things went *way* better

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TheAsp:

all the howtos say to use it over broadcast :)

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fryfrog:

LD: due to you needing to add model id and such to it?

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fryfrog:

TheAsp: exactly!

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fryfrog:

TheAsp: they hardly even *suggest* trying broadcast

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LD:

fryfrog: probably, I got 6200ch working, that's the easy part

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LD:

the firewire_tester.c file does have model id or some such in it

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TheAsp:

LD: what happens when you run fwtester?

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fryfrog:

yeah, you gotta fix all of em

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fryfrog:

prolly complains that it doesn't know the device :)

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TheAsp:

heh

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fryfrog:

they *may* have added firewire id to firewire_tester in svn too

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fryfrog:

instead of port/node

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TheAsp:

well, im not going to svn, so im stuck with weirdness when my power goes off

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fryfrog:

TheAsp: usually what i do is run firewire_test and do the bus reset until it moves to node 1

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LD:

Well, if they did I hope they add in the vendor_id and model_id I submitted

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fryfrog:

mine would start on node 0 usually, but after a bus reset or 3 it would move to node1 and stay there

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TheAsp:

fryfrog: i just tell myth to use the other node

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fryfrog:

TheAsp: yeah, but it *always* changed

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fryfrog:

it'd start out as node 0, but eventually end up node 1 and stay there

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TheAsp:

weird

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TheAsp:

do you have 2 fw ports on your cable box

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fryfrog:

so i had to make it go from node 0 -> 1 quickly, rather than over the course of a day or two

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fryfrog:

yeah, and tried both of them, repeatedly

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fryfrog:

i don't do firewire anymore though :)

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TheAsp:

one of mine will do that

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TheAsp:

the other is stable

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fryfrog:

if i ever re-set it up, i'll get HD STB instead of HD DVR

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fryfrog:

I never got a chance to try an STB

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TheAsp:

ahh, i have stb

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LD:

here's my question, if you have the available firewire ports on a dvr, could you do the whole dual tuner thing through them?

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TheAsp:

dual tuner dvr?

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fryfrog:

I called comcast and said I would like to trade my HD DVR for 2x HD STBs. They woudln't let me come to the store/uh, place and swap them.

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fryfrog:

The guy showed up, walked my HD DVR out and came back in with 2x HD DVRs

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fryfrog:

I was like... "fuck"

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LD:

hmmm

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LD:

firewire tester shouldn't take this long to test

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TheAsp:

ld: what do you have, and how are you running it?

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LD:

specify, dvr box or system

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TheAsp:

yes

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fryfrog:

ahah :)

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fryfrog:

I think he means which STB you have

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LD:

DVR is a Mortorola DCT 3416 comcast box, system is amd64 based Gentoo amd64 install

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fryfrog:

and how are you getting stuff off it, p2p or broadcast, 400mbit/sec, 200, 100?

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defaultro:

what could be the reason why some of my recordings end at the 55th minute

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fryfrog:

3416?

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defaultro:

my time is synced

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fryfrog:

you should co svn head and use firewire_tester from that

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fryfrog:

it is much better

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TheAsp:

defaultro: do you have the complete show?

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LD:

let me double check that

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fryfrog:

(you don't need to use anything else of svn head)

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TheAsp:

LD: what fw card?

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defaultro:

theasp, nope

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defaultro:

it's cut

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LD:

lspci reports it as a via tech firewire

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siXy:

anyone mirrored ex-juski's themes? heard the ones in trunk were borked and i cba for him to get over his strop and put em back

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LD:

I can get channel changing working just fine, it's anything else

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defaultro:

i looked at the times for recordings of heroes and journeyman, the end of heroes is included in the beginning of journeyman. I looked at journeyman and it's configured to start at the correct time, no start early

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fryfrog:

did juski ditch again?

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siXy:

yeah

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siXy:

this time he claims his domain has expired and hes not gonna renew

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fryfrog:

i got tired of him, i had to put him on ignore like a year ago :/

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fryfrog:

or 6 months or something

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siXy:

*shurg* i will belive that when i see it

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TheAsp:

LD: what mb? is the fw on the mb?

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fryfrog:

he just kept drawing me into his ... juski ness?

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sebrock:

is MythStreamTV an official part of MythWeb? or even included these days?

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fryfrog:

i'd be happy for him if he ditches it and removes his themes.

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siXy:

fryfrog: heh yeah i know what you mean :) i keep quiet mostly when hes online

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LD:

FW is actually an addin card

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fryfrog:

he was always complaining about people using them in "commercial mythtv" endevers

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fryfrog:

if you don't like the GPL, don't release shit under it.

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LD:

he's lucky he didn't release it BSD

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siXy:

quite :)

[20:07:42]

LD:

then he'd never get anything back

[20:07:42]

fryfrog:

hehe

[20:07:43]

TheAsp:

LD: how are you running fwtester?

[20:07:50]

fryfrog:

what was the problem this time, do you know?

[20:08:05]

LD:

firewire_tester -p -n 1 -r 5 < is the command line

[20:08:13]

TheAsp:

LD: try broadcast

[20:08:16]

fryfrog:

LD have you tried broadcast?

[20:08:17]

LD:

ok

[20:08:19]

LD:

not yet

[20:08:21]

fryfrog:

and there is uhmm, -B too

[20:08:25]

LD:

I was going to try that next

[20:08:26]

defaultro:

you might need to play with plugctl too

[20:08:29]

fryfrog:

also, does your firewire_tester have "-R" for reset?

[20:08:33]

siXy:

no idea... doubt it was anything major. i remember one time he pulled his entire site begauce one guy on the forum called them 'skins' instead of 'themes'

[20:08:43]

fryfrog:

cause i'm pretty sure that svn head of firewire_tester has the model of STB you just added.

[20:08:52]

TheAsp:

haha

[20:08:59]

LD:

no reset on my fwtester

[20:09:05]

fryfrog:

siXy: I think I recall him doing the same when someone suggested ways of improving the theme :/

[20:09:14]

TheAsp:

what theme?

[20:09:26]

** TheAsp is displeased with the available themes **

[20:09:27]

fryfrog:

get firewire_tester.c from svn head, you should be able to grab it via svn.mythtv.org (instead of checking out the entire thing)

[20:09:31]

siXy:

heh :D

[20:09:31]

fryfrog:

it is in contrib, if you don't reall

[20:09:33]

fryfrog:

recall

[20:09:44]

fryfrog:

you have to compile it with one extra added library too

[20:09:57]

GreyFoxx:

TheAsp: Juski did Project Grayhem, Blootube, and a few others I don't remember offhand

[20:09:59]

siXy:

TheAsp: juski made project graham, neon and a few others

[20:10:05]

TheAsp:

oh

[20:10:13]

TheAsp:

i've used greyham

[20:10:21]

TheAsp:

it's a memory hog

[20:10:22]

fryfrog:

they are all good themes, but i just think juski needs to do what makes him *happy*

[20:10:24]

siXy:

who made mepo?

[20:10:37]

fryfrog:

and hanging out on IRC here and seeing his themes get pirated didn't seem to make him happy :/

[20:10:40]

siXy:

ive never seen juski happy.. dunno could be scary

[20:10:50]

defaultro:

it got pirated in what way?

[20:10:59]

fryfrog:

he was usually happy when he released a new theme

[20:11:01]

xris:

sebrock: never was official (author never asked that it be), and last I heard, it's not even compatible with .19 without heavy modification.

[20:11:03]

fryfrog:

sorry, pirated was sarcasm

[20:11:05]

siXy:

defaultro: some 2-bit company used it in a commercial project

[20:11:15]

GreyFoxx:

TheAsp: Actually if you are running SVN or a recent -fixes that problem is likely gone

[20:11:22]

fryfrog:

they were *not* pirated, just included when some company sold some mythtv systems.

[20:11:43]

GreyFoxx:

TheAsp: we were not being very efficient when caching the images and some code changes lowered the memory usage a lot

[20:11:51]

TheAsp:

greed: *nod*

[20:11:52]

TheAsp:

err

[20:11:54]

TheAsp:

GreyFoxx: *nod*

[20:12:03]

TheAsp:

i tried it, didn't like it anymore :)

[20:12:15]

TheAsp:

is there a non-wide version of mepo?

[20:12:15]

fryfrog:

I like retro i think

[20:12:21]

GreyFoxx:

TheAsp: Nope

[20:12:39]

TheAsp:

i feel like i've been using the same few themes for 3 years...

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siXy:

TheAsp: You can use custom display areas to make it look 'right' however

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LD:

well, I checked the file for firewire tester, it doesn't actually look for specifc model info

[20:13:22]

LD:

6200ch does, and the svn head has the 3416 included in it

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TheAsp:

LD: the reset option may help though

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TheAsp:

siXy: I could buy a widescreen too :)

[20:15:18]

fryfrog:

yeah, helped a lot for my shitty firewire STBs

[20:15:49]

siXy:

TheAsp: theres a really nice pioneer plasma 50" without a tuner that has a stunnign picture

[20:16:12]

TheAsp:

i've been looking at a samsung

[20:16:14]

fryfrog:

I like those big DLPs

[20:16:21]

fryfrog:

63" and weight like 25lbs

[20:16:30]

fryfrog:

my 30" WS CRT is like 130lbs

[20:16:31]

TheAsp:

i prefer large lcd's myself

[20:17:02]

TheAsp:

my apartment layout sucks, can't fit a good size screen easily

[20:17:12]

juski:

just FYI uk peeps – cured the playback problem of Virgin1 recordings by running em through ffmpeg with -acodec copy -vcodec copy & rebuilding seektables. play fine now. dunno wth myth is up to with it

[20:17:24]

siXy:

TheAsp: try watching highmotion 100p (yeah i know theres not much content yet) on an LCD and on a plasma and you may change your mind

[20:17:47]

siXy:

*1080p

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fryfrog:

1080p or is there something called 100p?

[20:17:50]

fryfrog:

ah, nm :)

[20:17:58]

siXy:

:) its late

[20:17:59]

fryfrog:

lcd still have ghosting?

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TheAsp:

siXy: I think the tech when there is a PS3 game worth playing comes out will be fine :)

[20:18:10]

fryfrog:

where i am it is 420, maybe that is why?

[20:18:23]

TheAsp:

fryfrog: some do, it's better these days

[20:18:30]

fryfrog:

ah

[20:18:38]

fryfrog:

my 30" WS CRT rules :)

[20:18:42]

juski:

and all the theme lovers/juski haters.. worry ye not. You'll not have to put up with me any more. This community sucks, I can't take criticism & should never have put my head above the parapet. We all live & learn. Hopefully some more people will learn how to make themes that don't suck.

[20:18:42]

siXy:

the better ones no – and theres an awesome looking sucessor to ambilight phillips are bringing out early next year – but they still dont do high-motion 1080p well (or at all, really)

[20:18:45]

fryfrog:

course, it is tiny :(

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[20:19:35]

sebrock:

xris, ok tnx. I'm havins some issue with streaming from MythWeb. I only get the option to save it to disk, not stream (x-stream). Guess it's a MIME issue. Any thoughts?

[20:20:01]

siXy:

current LCDs when showing moving 1080p actually only display 1080p. its a technology limit that it noticeable on the big panels, although arguably only when they are side by side

[20:20:23]

** TheAsp looks at sixy **

[20:20:25]

robbins876:

you mean only display 720p?

[20:20:25]

siXy:

meh! *only display 1080i

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TheAsp:

siXy: you mean the 1080p panels or the 1080i panels?

[20:20:49]

** siXy curses fingers, keyboard, desk and beer **

[20:21:44]

siXy:

the 1080p panels due to the way the current-gen tech displays 1080p do motion by interlacing – thus falling back to 1080i, effectively

[20:21:57]

TheAsp:

ah

[20:22:31]

TheAsp:

Hey, when is .22 expected?

[20:22:35]

TheAsp:

err .21

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fryfrog:

when it is ready :p

[20:23:29]

defaultro:

fryfrog, mine is more than 180lbs :P

[20:23:32]

TheAsp:

yes yes, i know :)

[20:23:35]

fryfrog:

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2008-subaru-im . . . -jdm/430795/

[20:23:44]

siXy:

having said that the new phillips sucessor to ambilight coming out jan (iirc) looks just awesome....

[20:23:46]

TheAsp:

but roughly, has there been any move to stabalize?

[20:24:19]

fryfrog:

wow, me really wants 2008 wrx sti now :/

[20:24:29]

defaultro:

what is that fryfrog?

[20:24:30]

Dagmar:

"Tomorrow" is a more fun answer.

[20:24:46]

fryfrog:

subaru's soon to come out wrx sti

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defaultro:

oh, car :)

[20:25:13]

fryfrog:

its a turbo charged, 4 cyl, awd car. 300+ hp, 300lb torque

[20:25:17]

siXy:

fryfrog: im still hankering after an audi rs4 myself... but the WAF is extremely low

[20:25:19]

fryfrog:

er, 300+

[20:25:27]

fryfrog:

oh, WAF on wrx sti is kind of high

[20:25:34]

fryfrog:

it is 5 door hatchback

[20:25:49]

fryfrog:

good for the carrying, fast and *very* nimble

[20:26:09]

fryfrog:

consumer reports picks two cars as "most fun to drive"

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siXy:

[20:26:29]

fryfrog:

3rd gen mazda miata (2 door conv) and subaru wrx (sti)

[20:26:41]

fryfrog:

oh, 50k?

[20:26:43]

fryfrog:

yuck :(

[20:26:50]

fryfrog:

wrx sti is supposed to be like $35k

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jduggan:

wow, subaru sure did fuck up the look of the new sti

[20:26:59]

fryfrog:

still a lot for a car, but maybe more reasonable

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siXy:

50k for audi rs4. no idea on the wrx

[20:27:11]

siXy:

35k is better

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fryfrog:

jduggan: yeah, i've read that a lot. I actually *like* the new look more myself

[20:27:31]

fryfrog:

a lot of people are also disappointed the wrx sti is *only* available in "hot hatch"

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siXy:

no idea whtat that is in english money tho – the exchage rate is rarely as good for us as you might think when it comes to cars

[20:27:48]

fryfrog:

siXy: you are in UK?

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siXy:

yeah

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siXy:

chained to my desk fixing my FE for the wife so she can watch heroes again

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jduggan:

i loved season 1 of heroes

[20:29:09]

jduggan:

i watched it over a 4 day period

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fryfrog:

mmm, heroes

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siXy:

it took me a while ot get into it to be honest – nearly half the season before i really cared about any of the characters

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fryfrog:

i recorded in SD, but I'll DL the HD version.

[20:30:07]

fryfrog:

does that feel as dirty as it really is? :(

[20:30:13]

jduggan:

siXy: i was just about to say, it took me a while to decide if i like it or not

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jduggan:

now i cant wait for season 2 :)

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fryfrog:

first 3 eps are out!

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fryfrog:

Journeyman is actually decent too

[20:31:26]

siXy:

fryfrog: noone has ever been able to convince me that downloading and watching somehting thats FTA is really punishable

[20:31:28]

fryfrog:

Bionic woman sucks so far :/

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Dagmar:

I question your sexuality, sir

[20:32:01]

fryfrog:

have you *seen* the show?

[20:32:05]

Dagmar:

Hot chicks and cable fighting?

[20:32:07]

fryfrog:

katie sackhoff is awesome

[20:32:09]

Dagmar:

What's not to like

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fryfrog:

the main star chick... not so much

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Dagmar:

*Someone* has to fight her

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fryfrog:

its like they took one of the sisters from gilmore girls and gave her robot arm/legs

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fryfrog:

WEEEEEE

[20:32:43]

Dagmar:

She's clearly the underdog

[20:33:24]

fryfrog:

she is clearly boring

[20:33:32]

Dagmar:

Who cares what she says

[20:33:39]

fryfrog:

i'm not saying the show won't improve though, i really hope it does.

[20:33:50]

fryfrog:

I *know* they can make good sci-fi, BSG is proof. Heroes too.

[20:34:05]

Dagmar:

Her dialog is about as important as the gibberings of a porn starlet in the current plot they've got going

[20:34:08]

Dagmar:

She can be boring

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fryfrog:

sorry, if i want hot chicks... i'll just watch porn

[20:34:51]

Dagmar:

Yes, but this show is much like the original in than mainly there's the continual promise of seeing hot chicks get into really violent fistfights

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fryfrog:

haha

[20:35:22]

fryfrog:

the original BSG was retarded, doesn't mean the remake has to be :)

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siXy:

i love the feature of getting kicked back to login prompt every time i log in

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robbins876:

i love the feature where anytime anything in my xorg gets changed, live tv and videos don't work in myth...

[20:51:11]

** robbins876 hugs nvidia **

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siXy:

i also love the intelligence that picks 400hz if it cant find a monitor refresh rate...

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siXy:

hmm seems nvidia was unfairly gettign the blame for the first problem – its actually myth that kills the x server on startup

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fryfrog:

doh :)

[21:07:31]

fryfrog:

when did the new mythfrontend pin system go into place?

[21:07:42]

fryfrog:

i updated to svn head and was surprised by that little one

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siXy:

right im getting stuck now :S every time myth starts it dumps me back to login prompt. have tried --override-setting ThemePainter=qt but same result

[21:20:15]

fryfrog:

what about some -v options?

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fryfrog:

-v help maybe?

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fryfrog:

output to a file if you need to catch the text

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siXy:

no joy

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siXy:

i tried that but even with -v all theres just nohting there

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fryfrog:

oh :(

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fryfrog:

weird

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doc__:

hi there

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siXy:

last 2 messages are SSDPCache – Destructor and SSDPCache – Destructor but they didnt strike me as X-killing errors

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fryfrog:

does xorg's log say anyting?

[21:23:44]

siXy:

nope

[21:23:53]

siXy:

only thing i can see is in messages

[21:24:21]

siXy:

localhost gconfd Recieved signal 15 shutting down cleanly

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siXy:

hmm its trying to do NFS file locking for some reason. wierd.

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PSU:

hi guys, all of a sudden my tv listings show "no data" but mythfilldatabase appeared to run fine...

[21:29:40]

PSU:

any suggestions on where to look for a problem?

[21:29:47]

PSU:

i also only appear to have "11" days of data

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xris:

PSU: reboot?

[21:30:27]

PSU:

reboot the mythbox?

[21:30:36]

PSU:

i thought rebooting *nix was not required :P

[21:31:44]

xris:

no, but it's usually a really easy way to avoid spending hours fixing things that don't "need" to be rebooted

[21:32:11]

PSU:

gotcha

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PSU:

just did an init 6, we'll see how it goes

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PSU:

xris: okay, still no data :/

[21:36:17]

PSU:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2007-10–09 17:26 and ended on 2007-10–09 17:26. Successful.

[21:36:17]

PSU:

There's guide data until 2007-10–20 19:30 (11 days).

[21:36:17]

PSU:

DataDirect Status: Your subscription expires on 06/18/2008 04:49:59 AM

[21:36:56]

PSU:

isn't there a few commands that can be run on the dB to verify it's integrity?

[21:37:53]

sphery:

PSU: xris's script optimize_mythdb.pl will check and repair your DB.

[21:38:28]

PSU:

perfect! and he's the author? :)

[21:38:34]

sphery:

PSU: Also, chances are you have an issue with your video source(s)/input connections/channels. Probably need to do http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 to fix it.

[21:38:49]

sphery:

PSU: yep. xris makes a lot of good stuff for us. :)

[21:38:55]

fryfrog:

PSU: data direct?

[21:38:57]

PSU:

sphery: but is has worked fine for sevearl months...the other day it locked up

[21:39:16]

PSU:

fryfrog: schedules direct

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fryfrog:

ah

[21:39:21]

fryfrog:

just makin sure

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sphery:

PSU: Your config can get corrupted if, for example, you have a capture card that's not associated with any inputs (this happens a lot to HD-xx00 users who accidentally start to set up the analog side, but don't connect its input to a video source).

[21:40:33]

sphery:

It could work for months without issue and then all of a sudden give you the behavior you're seeing.

[21:40:40]

PSU:

gothca

[21:40:49]

sphery:

What capture cards do you have?

[21:40:50]

jarle_:

lately my 20.0.2-fixes backend has stopped running every now and then, how can I help tracking this bug down? I can't find any info in the backend log (should I make the logging more verbose?)

[21:41:05]

PSU:

sphery: PVR-350

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sphery:

jarle_: You could try, but if it's a segfault, chances are you'll need to do http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2

[21:42:03]

sphery:

PSU: If that's the case, it may have just been some "hidden" channels or video sources that finally caused problems.

[21:42:50]

sphery:

PSU: The "Delete all video sources" approach should fix it for you (will definitely fix it if it's an issue with video sources/input connections/channels--assuming you reconfigure them correctly ;).

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siXy:

figured it :) it was nvidia after all – GLX/DRI not playing well with TV-out

[21:45:49]

jarle_:

I know there is a tool that can be used to auto-start the backend if it is not running, what is the name of this tool again?

[21:46:28]

siXy:

while true; do mythbackend; done

[21:46:55]

siXy:

or on redhat-based chkconfig --levels 5 mythbackend on

[21:48:14]

PSU:

sphery: thanks, going to read this stuff later on

[21:48:18]

PSU:

appreciate the help!

[21:48:23]

PSU:

xris's script didn't work

[21:48:24]

sphery:

PSU: good luck

[21:48:42]

sphery:

what do you mean? After running the script, you get the same behavior?

[21:48:47]

PSU:

correct

[21:48:49]

sphery:

If so, that's not unexpected.

[21:49:00]

PSU:

right, that means i probably ahve the problem you outined... ?

[21:49:04]

sphery:

I don't think your DB is corrupt. I think your data is corrupt (i.e. the configuration data)

[21:49:04]

jarle_:

siXy: but then I am not able to stop the backend for running mythtv-setup when I need to....

[21:49:07]

sphery:

Yep.

[21:49:34]

PSU:

sphery: okay, thx again!

[21:49:46]

sphery:

jarle_: you could check for the existence of a file that says to autostart...

[21:50:15]

siXy:

or just kill -15 the script that runs the backend...

[21:50:54]

sphery:

isn't SIGTERM the default for kill?

[21:51:43]

siXy:

sphery: yeah buts its not a bad idea to speicify as you never know what $wierdassdistro has aliased

[21:52:05]

sphery:

ahhh... I see (and I agree).

[21:53:01]

sphery:

I just don't use any $weirdassdistro's, though I suppose I've been building up a bad habit assuming a default on a system I've configured so when I work on someone else's machine...

[21:54:12]

siXy:

redhat have a highly irritating habit of aliasing rm="rm -i"; cp="cp -i"

[21:54:23]

siXy:

redhat+fedora that is

[21:54:42]

sphery:

That would be annoying.

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sphery:

I think aliases are evil in general (nothing like invisibly changing the meaning of a command name...)

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sphery:

Almost as bad as MS's changing the layout of menus based on what things you've ever chosen...

[21:56:04]

siXy:

yeah – such an alias cost us a bit of downtime when a new employee didnt realise on proper unix(tm) you dont get a prompt when doing rm -r

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sphery:

lol

[21:56:46]

fryfrog:

bah, i like aliases

[21:56:50]

sphery:

and, getting back to your, "don't give yourself bad habits," view of it--having an alias like that encourages a bad habit.

[21:56:58]

fryfrog:

ls='ls --color=auto' is nice!

[21:57:09]

sphery:

issue rm command, then think about whether you wanted to...

[21:57:45]

sphery:

fryfrog: depends on the color of the term you're using and the TERM that's defined... :)

[21:58:09]

siXy:

and ther version of ls :)

[21:58:12]

Hilikus:

how do i amplify my sound signal?? my recording have low volume and to get a good volume i have to max the TV which produces hiss

[21:58:41]

sphery:

Hilikus: what kind of recordings? (what capture card)

[21:58:51]

Hilikus:

pvr 150

[21:59:06]

siXy:

if you did that on AIX or HP-UX you would get a sustantially less useful ls command

[21:59:12]

Hilikus:

im using the capture card to record the audio

[22:00:20]

BULLE:

Hilikus: increase the recording volume

[22:00:24]

sphery:

Hilikus: Yeah... I'm trying to remember how the MPEG capture cards work.

[22:00:36]

Hilikus:

BULLE how?

[22:00:38]

BULLE:

sphery: they have recording volume settings

[22:00:51]

sphery:

Cool. I couldn't remember if there was a volume setting for the MPEG cards (in mythtv-setup)

[22:01:00]

Hilikus:

i think when i do alsamixer i get wolume for the sound card, not the capture card

[22:01:16]

BULLE:

Hilikus: v4l-ctl

[22:01:17]

Hilikus:

oh on myth itself

[22:01:31]

BULLE:

Hilikus: yes, if you use mythtv you have volume settings in myth, so you dont ahve to use v4lctl

[22:01:44]

sphery:

Hilikus: first look in mythtv-setup's Capture Cards section

[22:01:57]

Hilikus:

thats the backend i guess?

[22:02:16]

BULLE:

ye should be i would think

[22:03:03]

jarle_:

hmm.. in my /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend (in Ubuntu) I'n not quite sure how I should proceed to have the backend restart if it stops running....

[22:03:04]

sphery:

Also, verify you have proper volume settings in the frontend (which is typically controllable through volume keys) and that /both/ the Master and PCM channels are at appropriate levels (where the one that Myth doesn't change should be at 90% or 100% or so).

[22:03:50]

sphery:

Note, also, that often other programs will use the "other" channel for their volume button, so if you fix the volume in alsamixer, then use Myth, all is good, then use MPlayer and adjust the volume, then it's too quiet in Myth...

[22:03:51]

Hilikus:

sphery those channels are the ones on alsamiker right?

[22:04:00]

sphery:

So, you may want to switch which one Myth is controlling.

[22:04:08]

Hilikus:

ok

[22:04:11]

sphery:

right--playback volume in alsamixer

[22:04:29]

sphery:

Just make sure all the programs you use to control volume change the same slider (either PCM or Master)

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BULLE:

pcm porn crazed midgets

[22:05:46]

sphery:

jarle_: I know there have been posts to the -users list where people suggested ideas. I don't use any (I just made sure my backend doesn't crash ;)--but that's not necessarily an option if you're not up to coding).

[22:06:31]

fryfrog:

jarle_: a cronjob could take care of it pretty easy

[22:06:59]

fryfrog:

you can use "pgrep mythbackend" to see if there is/isn't any backend process running, if there isn't... just run the startup script.

[22:07:00]

jarle_:

sphery: I have seen posts here about a util that would check the it was running, hence my initial question, I'll search the mailinglist...

[22:07:30]

fryfrog:

you could get fancy and stop attempting to restart it if it fails say, a few times in a very short amount of time

[22:07:38]

fryfrog:

I *personally* just have a process watch setup in nagios

[22:08:27]

sphery:

jarle_: probably using monit...

[22:08:55]

sphery:

jarle_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Status_Monitoring_How_To

[22:09:06]

fryfrog:

wow, neat

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siXy:

jarle_: heres your util: while true; do if [[ -n "$(pgrep mythbackend)" ]]; then mythbackend &; fi sleep 45; done

[22:09:37]

jarle_:

sphery: monit seems to ring a bell, yes...

[22:09:40]

fryfrog:

i prefer cron job over a script that is constantly running

[22:09:52]

fryfrog:

if your script dies, you are done

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siXy:

personally i prefer the script – i dont like waking cron every minute – but either does the job

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sphery:

I feel dirty after glancing over that page...

[22:11:12]

sphery:

Myth isn't supposed to die... :)

[22:11:15]

Hilikus:

sphery i dont find anything in capture card setup about the volume

[22:11:23]

fryfrog:

hehe

[22:11:36]

sphery:

Hilikus: That's right. It's not per-capture-card.

[22:11:40]

siXy:

or just but myth in your inittab ofc :) if you do :respawn then it really will never go away

[22:11:40]

sphery:

It's in the recording profile.

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Hilikus:

thats in the frontend no?

[22:12:25]

fryfrog:

i might even throw some monit at my web server

[22:12:27]

fryfrog:

and samba

[22:12:38]

sphery:

Hilikus: Yeah. Use frontend settings to specify recording profile configuration. And, sorry for the wild goose chase (I told you I was having a hard time remembering).

[22:12:59]

fryfrog:

do any of you use monit?

[22:13:09]

Hilikus:

dont worry man, youve helped me a lot

[22:13:21]

sphery:

Hilikus: I always get confused because of the number of times people ask for volume controls on the card (because, i.e. a PVR-350 is much louder than a PVR-150 or something).

[22:14:16]

siXy:

fryfrog: not me. i use a bash script to keep it running (actually a more complex one than i posted – it does a few more things too – like emailing me if myth is crashing freqeuntly)

[22:14:25]

sphery:

I guess whether I helped is determined by whether it would have taken you longer to find the proper way to change volume on your own or to take my round-about approach. :)

[22:15:03]

** sphery wonders what it's like when mythbackend crashes... **

[22:15:05]

sphery:

:)

[22:15:54]

Hilikus:

sphery so should i crank it to 100%, right now its 90%

[22:16:27]

sphery:

I think I had mine at 90 because I would get clipping (and maybe hissing) at 100%.

[22:16:32]

siXy:

sphery: try running dvb in dubious signal :P

[22:16:56]

sphery:

What are your PCM and Master sliders set at in alsamix

[22:16:59]

sphery:

alsamixer

[22:17:19]

Hilikus:

100 and 77

[22:17:28]

Hilikus:

master and pcm

[22:17:47]

sphery:

siXy: Yeah. I guess it happens with bad EIT data. I don't use EIT, so bad reception only gives me recording corruption (which does, sometimes, kill mythfrontend)

[22:18:21]

sphery:

Hilikus: and you have "Mixer Controls" set to PCM, right?

[22:18:26]

siXy:

sphery: its not the EIT, but theres a bug that can cause a backend crash if the dvb card recieves scrabled data. i think its fixed in svn tho

[22:18:32]

Hilikus:

i dont know about that, how do i find out

[22:18:37]

sphery:

siXy: Oh.

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** jarle_ is running dvb with low quality signal on some input, that might be the cause of the crashing? **

[22:19:11]

sphery:

Hilikus: frontend settings, General settings, under Audio settings.

[22:19:24]

sphery:

jarle_: very likely

[22:19:38]

sphery:

so the restart when necessary is probably the best approach.

[22:19:55]

jarle_:

siXy: seems like the bug I am experiencing... the last lines of the backend log often seems to be "ignoring encrypted data" (or the like)

[22:20:43]

Hilikus:

mixer device: defaul – mixer controls: Master

[22:21:25]

sphery:

and master was at 100? If so, set PCM to 100 and master to 77 and then you'll have a little more headroom.

[22:21:50]

sphery:

Though it sounds like you just have a quiet signal.

[22:22:17]

siXy:

jarle_: possibly. You can either restart buy using a "while true; mythbackend; done" wrapper, or you can use more complex solutions, or use svn -fixes

[22:22:21]

Hilikus:

in the frontend or in alsamixer (or is it the same)?

[22:22:27]

sphery:

Which, BTW, is likely. The volume of my recordings is /always/ significantly lower than the volume of, i.e., Internet radio or CD's or ...

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sphery:

Hilikus: the frontend only controls Master with the settings you've specified, so you'll have to change PCM through alsamixer.

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Hilikus:

whats the difference of using mixer controls: Master vs PCM?

[22:25:46]

sphery:

determines which slider Myth changes when you hit the volume key.

[22:25:58]

CharlieSu:

does mythmovies have a mythweb interface at all?

[22:26:01]

sphery:

You just want to choose the same one that other apps are changing.

[22:26:14]

Hilikus:

ok

[22:26:16]

sphery:

CharlieSu: I don't think so.

[22:26:23]

sphery:

But you could make one. :)

[22:26:45]

CharlieSu:

sphery: yeah.. Some weekend when i have the time.

[22:27:33]

CharlieSu:

sphery: how are you here all of the time? do you work on a computer or something?

[22:28:52]

sphery:

Yeah.

[22:29:11]

sphery:

And don't spend nearly enough time doing other things (I should have been out working in the lawn this evening). :)

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CharlieSu:

sphery: yeah.. i understand that. i do sysadmin work and am pretty much always on irc too..

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sphery:

Yeah. I leave irssi connected inside a screen session, so I'm "always" here--even when I'm not at the screen. Have been considering running bip, instead, but haven't yet figured a config I like.

[22:33:31]

fryfrog:

what is bip?

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sphery:

basically and IRC proxy

[22:33:51]

fryfrog:

ah, so you can use what ever you want bust ill be connected

[22:33:53]

sphery:

hmmm... basically IRC proxy: bip... I wonder.

[22:33:58]

fryfrog:

i use screen + irssi too

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sphery:

Seems to be a recursive acronym, like GNU. Bip = Bip IRC Proxy ( http://bip.t1r.net/ )

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fryfrog:

or LAME

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fryfrog:

!

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CharlieSu:

sphery: like PHP

[22:36:48]

fryfrog:

php is a recurisve acronym?

[22:36:50]

CharlieSu:

sphery: yea.. i do the same thing.. i leave irssi inside of screen.

[22:36:51]

fryfrog:

whats it stand for?

[22:36:57]

CharlieSu:

php hypertext preprocessor

[22:37:02]

fryfrog:

ah

[22:37:06]

CharlieSu:

:)

[22:37:20]

fryfrog:

LAME Aint an Mp3 Encoder :)

[22:37:29]

sphery:

Looks like time for an irssi upgrade...

[22:37:38]

CharlieSu:

i had a hard time explaining to my girlfriend what a recursive acronym was.. lol

[22:37:45]

sphery:

So, CharlieSu, looks like you'll get to see me leaving IRC. :)

[22:37:50]

iamben:

"IRC's really cool" ... wait thats not right

[22:37:51]

CharlieSu:

later!

[22:37:58]

sphery:

later

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CharlieSu:

iamben: lol

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fryfrog:

woo woo, party time

[22:41:57]

psymin:

Anyone used the HDMI cables sold from 'Blue Jeans Cable' ? (wondering if I should order from them)

[22:47:41]

fryfrog:

I just used google and found the cheapest HDMI cable I could

[22:47:53]

fryfrog:

unless they make the wires out of say, graphite, one cable will be as good as another

[22:48:23]

fryfrog:

well, assuming they don't *really* suck and have really really bad shielding or the wires are brittle and can't be bent or something

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jarle_:

anybody here using monit?

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Hilikus:

is it better to use the hauppauge audio in or the sound card line in?

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fryfrog:

Hilikus: the pvr150's you mean?

[23:08:51]

fryfrog:

er, PVRxxx?

[23:08:54]

Hilikus:

yes

[23:08:58]

Hilikus:

pvr150

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fryfrog:

you should use it, otherwise i imagine the audio would be totally out of sync

[23:09:13]

Hilikus:

thats what i thought too

[23:09:19]

fryfrog:

i assume you are getting video from an stb?

[23:09:21]

Hilikus:

but im getting hiss!

[23:09:25]

Hilikus:

yes

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fryfrog:

i *think* hiss is usually from ground loop

[23:09:45]

fryfrog:

i think you can fix it in a few ways

[23:09:58]

fryfrog:

1) ground the tv to the pc (ie, a single wire between them)

[23:10:22]

fryfrog:

2) if the tv *and* pc have ground wires, (3 prong plug), make sure they are plugged into the same strip/circuit

[23:10:40]

Hilikus:

ok

[23:10:43]

fryfrog:

3) if it is an STB -> PC, then PC -> TV

[23:10:49]

fryfrog:

the ground loop could be between the STB and PC

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Hilikus:

it is

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fryfrog:

should be easy to figure out thought

[23:11:10]

fryfrog:

play a downloaded video on your PC, if there is no hiss

[23:11:19]

fryfrog:

the ground loops is likely between the STB and PC

[23:11:27]

fryfrog:

the STB probably isn't a 3 prong plug and your PC is

[23:11:28]

Hilikus:

fryfrog that means that if its something external it should happen in windows too right

[23:11:47]

fryfrog:

yeah, in windows, using the PVR and STB

[23:11:50]

fryfrog:

is it like that?

[23:11:53]

Hilikus:

cause i thought it was something to do with the volume

[23:12:05]

Hilikus:

dont know, im going to check

[23:12:24]

fryfrog:

i spose if you have your volume turned way up because the pvr is recording very quiet, you might just hear the normal hiss from an amp/stereo/whatever

[23:12:45]

fryfrog:

i had a *bad* ground loop between my TV and PC when it was in one location. The TV is a 2 prong plug, PC was of course 3 prong.

[23:12:51]

Hilikus:

is like white nosie, im not sure

[23:12:51]

fryfrog:

when I moved it, the hiss went away

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Hilikus:

ok so, when i play a video theres no hiss

[23:18:54]

Hilikus:

that tell me that if its a volume thing, it would be in the line in recording right?

[23:19:07]

Hilikus:

but most likelily a ground loop like you said

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RyanH:

is the current mythweb in trunk broken, or is it just me?

[23:24:49]

Hilikus:

how do i control the recording volume?? im using my capture card to recodr

[23:26:42]

RyanH:

http://pastebin.ca/731332

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clever`rev:

xris: dangit

[23:31:05]

clever`rev:

xris: mythtv just started recording a show on ytv

[23:31:10]

clever`rev:

xris: just as the show ended:P

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clever`rev:

this time the guide was off by only 30mins

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RyanH:

oh.. and I should probably read the first few lines in the mythweb error...

[23:33:05]

RyanH:

Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=36, backend=35)

[23:33:06]

RyanH:

hah

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clever`rev:

lol

[23:33:19]

clever`rev:

all my stuff is 36

[23:33:29]

clever`rev:

you must have upgraded mythweb without touching the backend

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** RyanH nods **

[23:33:41]

clever`rev:

might be a 37 or 38 out by now though

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clever`rev:

they come out every now and then and i havent updated for a bit

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RyanH:

I was hoping to just get some of the recent bug fixes to the channel listings

[23:34:21]

clever`rev:

downgrade mythweb some or upgrade mythbackend and friends

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** RyanH nods **

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RyanH:

I just made a quick svn diff and applied it as a patch... so reverting is no big

[23:35:34]

clever`rev:

svn can go forward/back to any revision you can name

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RyanH:

Know if there would be and bad side affects to me just touching the protocol version to 35?

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RyanH:

seems like most of the stuff in the diff is language and the channel listing fixes I want

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clever`rev:

htwhatever changed in the protocol may mess it up

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clever`rev:

i think 35->36 was to add undelete

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clever`rev:

so mythweb will support undeleting but the backend wont understand it

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clever`rev:

but other things may also mess it up

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RyanH:

ah

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RyanH:

I'll play it safe then.

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RyanH:

Any idea if multirec is going to be merged into trunk soon?

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clever`rev:

GreyFoxx: might know

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